| 00:00:22 | lostlogic | Nico_P: it happens in find_handle, but since find_handle doesn't modify any part of the linked list, no. it's caused elsewhere |
| 00:01:11 | Nico_P | lostlogic: maybe the handle has moved |
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| 00:02:15 | lostlogic | aye, the question is how do we track down which function has the inconsistency that allows the linked list to contain a handle that's no longer valid |
| 00:02:19 | jhMikeS | Does this mean we can have MoB (Malloc on Buffer)? ;) |
| 00:02:37 | lostlogic | and it can't currently be a concurrency since everything's mutex'd that actually changes the LL |
| 00:03:04 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: maybe ;) |
| 00:03:17 | Nico_P | bufalloc isn't too far from it |
| 00:03:34 | jhMikeS | but no FoB of couse :p |
| 00:03:53 | Nico_P | Free on Buffer? |
| 00:04:13 | jhMikeS | :) no need for that |
| 00:04:46 | lostlogic | Nico_P: you should be able to reproduce the bad state by skipping backwards during buffering |
| 00:04:48 | XavierGr | Nico_P: bufalloc as in plugins reclaiming buffer without stopping playback? |
| 00:04:59 | Nico_P | yes |
| 00:05:03 | XavierGr | Nico_P: Congrats on the great commit by the way |
| 00:05:10 | Nico_P | thanks ;) |
| 00:05:14 | XavierGr | Nico_P: nice, that would be awesome |
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| 00:06:06 | preglow | Nico_P: w0000t! |
| 00:06:14 | mirak | wow I have just seen Dennis Chambers, the greatest player in the world :-O |
| 00:06:26 | mirak | player of drums |
| 00:06:32 | preglow | Nico_P: cuesheet support is broken now? |
| 00:06:39 | mirak | a drummer ... ^^ |
| 00:06:50 | BigBambi | mirak: On topic please |
| 00:07:02 | Nico_P | preglow: no, only the preloading is disabled |
| 00:07:06 | mirak | BigBambi: I recorded it |
| 00:07:13 | Nico_P | preglow: it still works well |
| 00:07:17 | mirak | BigBambi: with rockbox of course, and H320 |
| 00:07:20 | jhMikeS | Fix as many bugs as possible? What bugs wouldn't be possible to fix? |
| 00:07:23 | preglow | Nico_P: will it take a long time to adapt? |
| 00:07:25 | * | Nico_P should have been clearer about cuesheet |
| 00:07:34 | Nico_P | preglow: I don't expect so |
| 00:07:42 | BigBambi | mirak: How good he is is irrelevant though |
| 00:07:46 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: those we don't know about? |
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| 00:07:50 | preglow | Nico_P: can we get rid of that enable cuesheet option then? :P |
| 00:07:58 | Nico_P | preglow: that's the aim |
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| 00:08:19 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: those _must_ not exist :) |
| 00:08:25 | mirak | BigBambi: I think I am going to fix someday the speed of the anticlip. it's too slow to go back to normal volume |
| 00:08:30 | amiconn | Weird. All the arm targets saw around 300 bytes binsize increase - only the c200 didn't |
| 00:08:40 | * | amiconn wonders what's going on there |
| 00:08:45 | lostlogic | Nico_P: triggered it at buffering.c:632 fill_buffer, so yeah, something definitelyi gets out of sync |
| 00:08:50 | preglow | Nico_P: man, this rocks, i'm gonna try it out right now |
| 00:08:57 | Nico_P | amiconn: I disabled parts of the debugging screen for the c200 |
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| 00:09:03 | amiconn | ah |
| 00:09:11 | BigBambi | mirak: Good, but I'm not the one to talk to about it, I rarely use recording |
| 00:09:14 | preglow | wtf???? 12k green deltas? |
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| 00:09:27 | preglow | \o/ |
| 00:09:39 | n1s | preglow: that huge static struct array got killed :-) |
| 00:09:48 | Zagor | that's gotta be a record |
| 00:09:57 | mirak | BigBambi: no, I just took you. Now I won't let you go :D |
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| 00:10:03 | preglow | Zagor: btw, why haven't why given google tax info yet? |
| 00:10:11 | preglow | don't we want money? :> |
| 00:10:22 | jhMikeS | I guess the inclusion of loaded size wasn't such a bad idea afterall |
| 00:10:25 | preglow | amiconn: now how about porting mob to hwcodec? |
| 00:10:26 | amiconn | preglow: The binary sizes are almost the same (slightly larger on arm), the green delta is due to the ram savings |
| 00:10:42 | Zagor | preglow: uhh, good question. I wonder if perhaps that duty fell on me... |
| 00:10:46 | BigBambi | binary -1k on coldfire though |
| 00:11:00 | amiconn | yeah, right |
| 00:11:23 | amiconn | The ram savings on hwcodec will be less almost for sure, but still desirable |
| 00:11:26 | preglow | Zagor: i have no idea, but just throwing that cash out of the windows is silly |
| 00:11:32 | preglow | Zagor: i'll have it if you don't want it :P |
| 00:11:42 | Zagor | preglow: very. I'll sync with bagder and we'll fix it. |
| 00:11:42 | jhMikeS | coldfire hates array access instructions for size |
| 00:11:44 | amiconn | Hwcodec playback only has 16 metadata slots, while the pre-mod swcodec engine had 32 |
| 00:11:48 | preglow | amiconn: well, mob is a good thing anyway, if you ask me |
| 00:12:17 | amiconn | *pre-MoB |
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| 00:15:17 | preglow | linuxstb: welcome to the rockbox MoB party \o/ |
| 00:15:21 | * | preglow throws confetti |
| 00:15:43 | * | BigBambi boogies on down |
| 00:15:52 | * | jhMikeS brings beer |
| 00:16:25 | mirak | I tried a video in 224*128 at 150kbits seconds and 128kbit mp3 on H320 it's almost it. With 5 fps in plus, it would be all right. I am not sure which part should be optimised now. The slice.c file as lost code, but it's full of macros. I am wondering if it would be usefull to code in asm the zigzag matrix building plus the quantisation. That's almost as repetitive as idct², but less complex |
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| 00:16:59 | mirak | as lot of code, (not as lost) |
| 00:17:37 | * | preglow lacks beer |
| 00:17:50 | jhMikeS | isn't there a no-break tag or somthing to prevent forced linebreaks in HTML? |
| 00:18:09 | Zagor | |
| 00:18:18 | Zagor | or "nowrap" in table cells |
| 00:18:40 | jhMikeS | there's one with no space though...can't remember it. it just glues to things together. |
| 00:18:51 | jhMikeS | s/to/two/ |
| 00:19:11 | jhMikeS | It's definitely not though. I know that much. |
| 00:19:14 | preglow | Nico_P: one small complaint, you can't seem to skip until buffering is complete, now |
| 00:19:22 | preglow | Nico_P: which can take quite some time |
| 00:19:22 | Zagor | well the browsers only wrap on space (and some on hyphen) so... |
| 00:19:37 | * | preglow has 127 tracks in his buffer :> |
| 00:19:45 | Nico_P | preglow: because the UI is kinda blocked? |
| 00:20:02 | preglow | Nico_P: ui still responds, but next track just doesn't play until all files are buffered |
| 00:20:03 | jhMikeS | yeah, there's a tag that's the exact opposite of <br>...argh. I've used it too. |
| 00:20:10 | Nico_P | oh |
| 00:20:12 | Nico_P | maybe the audio thread needs to yield/sleep more |
| 00:20:40 | Zagor | jhMikeS: I don't understand. what is separating the two elements you don't want to wrap? (and what are the elements?) |
| 00:21:02 | preglow | Nico_P: i inserted about 120 tracks, pressed next, info updated in wps, but nothing happened. so i went to the buffering screen, and that clearly showed files being buffered, then when it was done, next file played |
| 00:21:33 | preglow | Nico_P: if the next file is buffered and ready, it should play regardless if other buffering is still going on |
| 00:21:43 | Nico_P | I agree |
| 00:23:09 | preglow | hmm |
| 00:23:48 | preglow | also, if i play a file from the "view playlist" screen, it doesn't look like buffering works at all |
| 00:24:05 | preglow | i select one song, it plays. then when disk has spun down, it has to spin up again when i select the next track |
| 00:24:10 | jhMikeS | Zagor: trying to remember what it is. It's like <nobr></nobr> or something. |
| 00:24:52 | * | ender` yawns |
| 00:25:24 | jhMikeS | yeah, <nobr></nobr> |
| 00:25:36 | scorche|w | jhMikeS: you could always do a <pre> |
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| 00:25:58 | preglow | Nico_P: buffering works fine from the wps, though |
| 00:26:13 | jhMikeS | scorche|w: but that affects the font iirc, <nobr> only prevents linebreaking |
| 00:26:24 | scorche|w | there is <nobr>, but i dont think it has ever been a part of W3C |
| 00:26:35 | Zagor | jhMikeS: ah, some non-html vendor booya |
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| 00:27:26 | jhMikeS | whatever works :) |
| 00:27:42 | scorche|w | well, it works, but not all browsers support it since it isnt W3C |
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| 00:28:21 | * | jhMikeS wonders what's up W3C's you-know-what sometimes. |
| 00:29:54 | Nico_P | preglow: investigating. I agree the time it takes to skip while buffering is annoying with many tracks buffered |
| 00:30:57 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: why would it? |
| 00:31:17 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: why would it take time? |
| 00:31:26 | jhMikeS | yeah...well _more_ time |
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| 00:34:14 | nomel | long stretch...but anyone have shell accounts for rockbox development? |
| 00:34:25 | preglow | we don't do that as a rule |
| 00:34:27 | Nico_P | it shouldn't |
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| 00:34:42 | preglow | but hey, perhaps someone is secretly offering and msging you as we speak :< |
| 00:35:58 | Nico_P | preglow: I think I know where the problem is |
| 00:36:45 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: any reason the audio thread priority was lowered? |
| 00:36:57 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: it does less things? |
| 00:37:06 | nomel | yes...but they must be slow typers :p |
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| 00:38:19 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: so that has no relation to the skipping delay? |
| 00:38:48 | Zagor | nomel: why do you need a shell account? you can develop rockbox on pretty much any platform |
| 00:38:59 | Nico_P | I don't think so. the problem seems to be that there is a long loop that doesn't listen to the queue |
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| 00:39:26 | jhMikeS | ah...that can do it too. |
| 00:39:59 | Nico_P | it's particularly painful when a lot of tracks can be buffered |
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| 00:41:03 | Nico_P | preglow: I have a fix |
| 00:41:16 | nomel | zargo: yes. but i get soem free time at work during what I do...so, working remotely is a must :-) |
| 00:41:50 | preglow | Nico_P: great |
| 00:41:58 | jhMikeS | queue monitoring is quite cheap so no need to hold that off |
| 00:42:14 | Nico_P | yeah I just break the loop if !queue_empty |
| 00:42:28 | Nico_P | and post a message so that buffering continues afterwards |
| 00:42:48 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: sounds ok to you? |
| 00:42:50 | nomel | zagor: ^ |
| 00:42:57 | linuxstb | nomel: In which case, setup your own Linux box at home... |
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| 00:46:27 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I'm using a state-machinish approach in mpegplayer and it really keeps things compact and results in queues being monitored always. |
| 00:47:27 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: how does that translate in concrete terms? |
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| 00:48:02 | amiconn | hmm.... |
| 00:48:32 | amiconn | Using 32 bit ints for the filter in libdemac seems to work properly, but the speedup on arm isn't nearly what I expected |
| 00:48:50 | jhMikeS | Each state change is set it one variable...TSTATE_RENDER_WAIT might be one. If it get's interrupted and no state change is needed, it continues as is. If something changes the state, new actions are taken. |
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| 00:50:04 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: how do you know when it's interrupted? |
| 00:50:07 | jhMikeS | Each command only allows valid transitions from the current state. |
| 00:50:09 | amiconn | The filter only gets ~8.5% faster (-c2000 on PP502x: 75->77% realtime) |
| 00:50:14 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do the buffers still fit in IRAM? |
| 00:50:24 | amiconn | Not on PP5020 |
| 00:50:47 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: just queue_emtpy. then it jumps to the message handler. after the message handler, the state is checked and the appropriate jump taken. |
| 00:50:51 | amiconn | Only filterbuf32 fits - but that's what's used for -c2000 |
| 00:51:01 | * | amiconn scratches that idea |
| 00:51:13 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: ok. I'll have to look at the mpegplayer source |
| 00:51:14 | * | jhMikeS will pastebin the video thread code |
| 00:51:22 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: not in SVN yet |
| 00:51:26 | Nico_P | oh right |
| 00:51:32 | amiconn | linuxstb: Now that my filter optimisations are committed, we *need* entropy decoder optimisations |
| 00:52:14 | amiconn | I had a look - and it seems the problem is that the entropy decoder performs (at least) 2 divisions *per sample* |
| 00:52:25 | amiconn | Divisions are costly, especially on arm |
| 00:52:25 | preglow | what're you going for here? isn't monkeys audio pretty fast now? |
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| 00:52:31 | linuxstb | Yes, I noticed those. |
| 00:52:31 | preglow | i'd rather see lcd driver optimizations :) |
| 00:52:40 | amiconn | preglow: Far from it. |
| 00:52:47 | Nico_P | preglow: should be better now |
| 00:52:55 | preglow | Nico_P: cool, will check out |
| 00:52:58 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: http://www.pastebin.ca/749804 |
| 00:53:07 | preglow | amiconn: monkeys audio is ill-suited to dap decoding anyway |
| 00:53:08 | amiconn | The standard level (-c3000) is only usable on gigabeat. -c2000 works okay now on cf |
| 00:53:27 | amiconn | And *none* of the levels are usable on PP targets, let alone the iFP |
| 00:53:37 | preglow | does ape -c3000 compress any better than flac or wavpack? |
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| 00:53:58 | Llorean | preglow: Apparently ape anything compresses better than flac. |
| 00:54:08 | amiconn | preglow: Even -c1000 often compresses better than flac -8 |
| 00:54:16 | preglow | really? |
| 00:54:29 | preglow | amiconn: btw, should we even keep unusable codecs enabled? |
| 00:54:34 | amiconn | Don't know about wavpack - never really used it apart from testing |
| 00:54:36 | linuxstb | Although we're only talking a few percent... |
| 00:54:47 | preglow | wavpack is around newest flac, i think |
| 00:55:08 | preglow | haven't checked for a while |
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| 00:57:04 | amiconn | linuxstb: I googled a bit for range coding. It might be possible to write a range decoder that doesn't need division iiuc |
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| 00:58:20 | preglow | it uses range coding??? |
| 00:58:24 | linuxstb | That would be nice. The range decoder libdemac is using isn't the same as the official decoder's source, but the official decoder is also using divisions. |
| 00:59:00 | preglow | amiconn: so those divides are probably the reason it sucks so bad on arm, i take it? |
| 00:59:20 | amiconn | linuxstb: That function range_decode_culfreq() looks similar to the one in ffmpeg |
| 00:59:36 | linuxstb | Where in ffmpeg? |
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| 01:00:38 | amiconn | http://cekirdek.pardus.org.tr/~ismail/ffmpeg-docs/apedec_8c-source.html line 270 |
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| 01:02:26 | linuxstb | Well, ffmpeg's APE decoder is based on libdemac... |
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| 01:02:40 | amiconn | ah |
| 01:03:02 | amiconn | Eh, should've noticed that in the header |
| 01:04:28 | markun | can I unlock this thread and ask for a link? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13435.0 |
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| 01:05:28 | linuxstb | markun: I'm not sure it's worth the effort... |
| 01:06:06 | amiconn | linuxstb: Umm. What's that nasty search do in range_get_symbol*() ?? |
| 01:06:47 | linuxstb | The one where the comment says it should be a binary search? |
| 01:06:53 | amiconn | yup |
| 01:06:57 | preglow | linuxstb: you think it's realistic to try to completely get rid of the malloc buffer? |
| 01:07:44 | linuxstb | preglow: Sure. IIRC, the codec that I've worked on only use it to store the seektable, if at all. |
| 01:08:36 | linuxstb | preglow: At the very least, I think we could make the codecs malloc from the codec buffer, possibly increasing it slightly, rather than having the malloc buffer separate. |
| 01:09:06 | linuxstb | amiconn: All I know is what the source is telling us - I don't understand the maths behind it. |
| 01:09:23 | amiconn | Adding a binsearch there shouldn't be hard |
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| 01:09:52 | preglow | linuxstb: i think perhaps i might have a go through all codecs to see if it's possible to make them not malloc |
| 01:09:58 | * | amiconn already uses a binsearch in the charcell lcd driver's unicode->character decoder |
| 01:09:59 | preglow | speex should be done as of now anyway |
| 01:10:20 | linuxstb | Isn't Tremor a problem though? |
| 01:10:29 | preglow | linuxstb: might be, haven't looked at the allocing |
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| 01:11:30 | linuxstb | That will help my Telechips device - it only has 2MB RAM. |
| 01:11:39 | * | amiconn tries that |
| 01:12:27 | preglow | linuxstb: really? which? |
| 01:12:38 | preglow | linuxstb: that kinda sucks, where does the playback buffer go? :/ |
| 01:12:39 | linuxstb | My DAB/MP3 player. |
| 01:12:56 | linuxstb | It's flash, so playback buffer shouldn't matter much... |
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| 01:13:21 | preglow | linuxstb: retailos probably reads straight from flash too... i haven't been looking forward to the day we need to do that for some reason |
| 01:13:33 | preglow | but then again, i probably won't be coding it :> |
| 01:13:50 | linuxstb | And it only has a small mono LCD, so I expect the plugin buffer can be reduced to Archos levels. |
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| 01:14:27 | linuxstb | But 1MB for codec+codec malloc hurts... |
| 01:15:38 | Llorean | linuxstb: Still, that's twice as much RAM as the iFP right? |
| 01:15:39 | preglow | ouch, speex still has the occasional float here and there |
| 01:15:41 | preglow | but never in innerloops |
| 01:15:44 | preglow | i wonder how much i care |
| 01:16:01 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, but I've no idea of the state of the iFP port... |
| 01:16:10 | preglow | linuxstb: i suspect faad is going to be a true bitch in the malloc apartment |
| 01:16:14 | preglow | department... |
| 01:16:31 | preglow | man, i love speex, every time it needs some temp stuff, it just takes it from the stack |
| 01:16:33 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:16:36 | preglow | fast, good memory |
| 01:17:11 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think I read it was actually capable of playback, though not realtime, but still had a wide range of problems |
| 01:17:59 | linuxstb | Llorean: Looking at the source code, the iFP has a reduced (128KB) codec buffer. Not many codecs will fit there. |
| 01:19:26 | linuxstb | Llorean: Have you still never tried Rockbox on your iFP? |
| 01:19:43 | Llorean | Pure laziness. |
| 01:20:02 | Llorean | I have to track down the iRiver Music Manager software and "upgrade" my firmware to UMS before I can install the rockbox-patched firmware |
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| 01:20:50 | Llorean | Considering it dual boots, and all my music on it is MP3 anyway so I don't need to worry about the loss of WMA, I guess there's no reason *not* to try it. |
| 01:22:43 | Llorean | linuxstb: That 128kb is for the .codec file *and* any memory it needs to allocate? Do you know how big that usually gets? |
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| 01:23:25 | linuxstb | Standard swcodec is 512KB for the codec, plus a 512KB codec malloc buffer. |
| 01:23:45 | linuxstb | I don't know how big the codec malloc buffer is on the iFP |
| 01:23:52 | Llorean | Also, I think the iFP port couldn't address the flash properly in the 1gb models, now that I recall |
| 01:24:22 | Llorean | linuxstb: Is there a file that determines which codecs are built? |
| 01:24:30 | linuxstb | apps/codecs/SOURCES |
| 01:24:35 | Llorean | Ah, there's a SOURCES for them. |
| 01:24:43 | Llorean | speex fails for ifp |
| 01:24:47 | linuxstb | But it's not up to date - only AAC is disabled for the iFP, but others fail... |
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| 01:25:48 | linuxstb | But we probably need some way to disable codec support completely - the AAC code in core Rockbox will still be built IIUC. |
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| 01:29:52 | Llorean | I wonder what the maximum amount of memory I can give the codec is on iFP |
| 01:30:39 | Llorean | Looks like vorbis is too big too |
| 01:31:43 | * | Nico_P is off to bed |
| 01:32:05 | * | linuxstb joins Nico_P (so to speak...) |
| 01:32:17 | Nico_P | hehe :) good night |
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| 01:40:23 | makuseru | is there anyway to play a .swf file with Rockbox? |
| 01:40:31 | Llorean | no |
| 01:45:56 | rep|icant_ | evening all. i am having a weird id3 tag anamoly and have not seen any mention of it on the forums or manual. i have an 80gig ipod that shows this. i'm using a custom build but have tried a daily build as of 3 days ago just in case it was something wrong with the custom build. i also am not using itunes or the itunes database, strictly maintaining everything straight on the ipod. i will prefix this issue also with saying t |
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| 01:52:20 | krazykit | rep|icant_, your question stopped at "this issue also with saying t" |
| 01:52:32 | rep|icant_ | seriously? |
| 01:52:37 | rep|icant_ | um |
| 01:52:38 | rep|icant_ | thats weird |
| 01:52:43 | rep|icant_ | ok let me copy where it left off |
| 01:53:05 | rep|icant_ | will prefix this issue also with saying that i've tried deleting the various database related files and re-initializing/updating the database. ok now with the issue, a select group of mp3s are having weird tagging issues. the artist/album tags show up perfectly, however the track title tag shows up as just (for example) "BAL.mp3" instead of "Ballah". Any ideas of what might be happening? |
| 01:54:31 | rep|icant_ | wonder if there is a char limit on text. didn't think there was in irc |
| 01:54:35 | rep|icant_ | could just be my irc client |
| 01:57:01 | rep|icant_ | ahh crap gota leave to watch the virginia tech game. i'll check back later to see if it was answered |
| 01:57:09 | rep|icant_ | thanks guys if any of you read this. thanks krazykit for keeping me in line :D |
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| 03:24:56 | preglow | ehh |
| 03:25:04 | preglow | why the hell doesn't that error happen here? |
| 03:25:10 | preglow | because... |
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| 04:16:07 | Mouser_X | I saw that MoB was commited. How does that effect small files? |
| 04:16:17 | Mouser_X | (NSF, SPC, stuff like that.) |
| 04:16:49 | karashata | *blinks* MoB was commited...? |
| 04:16:55 | Llorean | Yup |
| 04:17:01 | karashata | hmm... |
| 04:17:04 | Llorean | Mouser_X: You can fit more on the buffer than ever previously |
| 04:17:12 | Mouser_X | Oh goody. |
| 04:17:18 | Llorean | Though I think there's still a limit, it's much higher as there's so much less overhead |
| 04:17:21 | Llorean | Like... 128 I think? |
| 04:17:24 | karashata | well, that could be why the tags aren't displaying for the NSF files and stuff... |
| 04:17:37 | Llorean | karashata: It shouldn't be, at least |
| 04:18:03 | Mouser_X | Now my playlists of 500+ NSFs can be loaded more efficiently. |
| 04:18:17 | karashata | hmm, I haven't tested the most recent build yet, but the one I was running previously wasn't displaying the NSF tags on my WPS screens |
| 04:18:46 | Llorean | karashata: Previously from when? |
| 04:18:59 | karashata | lemme see which build number it was... |
| 04:19:13 | karashata | r15294 |
| 04:19:53 | Mouser_X | Will MoB also effet patches? Specifically the MOD patch, and the GBS patch (meaning, to the best of your knowledge, those patches will be able to take advantage of the MoB changes, without modification to said patches)? |
| 04:20:51 | Llorean | Many, many patches will need to be reworked, I expect |
| 04:21:06 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. |
| 04:21:20 | Llorean | karashata: That's before MoB |
| 04:21:24 | Mouser_X | I probably won't be updating soon then. |
| 04:21:28 | psycho_maniac | not 7738 ;) but i doubt this has anything to do with MoB |
| 04:22:19 | karashata | Llorean: okay, I'll see if it makes a difference with the most recent build when I get a chance to and see if that makes a difference |
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| 04:27:41 | sdoyon | Is the reported battery level ever accurate when charging? In particular, in the info screen, we don't handle CONFIG_CHARGING == CHARGING_SIMPLE: I'd change it to say just "Charging" when that's the case... |
| 04:28:46 | psycho_maniac | rasher: are you around? |
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| 04:41:36 | J3TC- | Meh |
| 04:41:52 | J3TC- | New svn update broke the build with the patches |
| 04:41:53 | J3TC- | :3 |
| 04:42:30 | scorche | hrm? |
| 04:43:10 | J3TC- | I applied patches and did an update and do a build but it broke :3 |
| 04:43:14 | J3TC- | I assume that's normal |
| 04:43:34 | scorche | of course |
| 04:43:44 | scorche | especially with big changes like MoB |
| 04:43:53 | J3TC- | MoB? |
| 04:44:04 | scorche | the second to latest commit |
| 04:44:07 | Mouser_X | Metadata on buffer. |
| 04:44:16 | Llorean | scorche: Actually, the second to last build-triggering commit. |
| 04:44:34 | Llorean | And it's maybe four down now, actually |
| 04:44:35 | J3TC- | Ah right |
| 04:44:46 | scorche | wtrue.. |
| 04:45:00 | Llorean | Either way, big fundamental change to core bits == lots of broken patches |
| 04:45:09 | scorche | i should have said on the log then |
| 04:46:18 | J3TC- | Ah lol |
| 04:46:19 | J3TC- | :3 |
| 04:46:39 | JdGordon | Llorean: mob shouldnt have broken many patches at all.. |
| 04:46:56 | JdGordon | i cant tihnk of many patches which are for the playback area |
| 04:47:15 | * | JdGordon goned |
| 04:47:37 | Llorean | JdGordon: New codecs with new metadata, for one? |
| 04:47:42 | J3TC- | I am doing as close of a build as maxwen0 does |
| 04:47:42 | J3TC- | :3 |
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| 04:51:56 | jumpatrain | hey |
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| 04:55:08 | psycho_maniac | its going to be weird when album art is actually supported. i dont really like that feature that much and most themes will probably want to use that feature. |
| 04:55:38 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. True... |
| 04:56:03 | Llorean | A good theme should be able to use the conditional, and look fine with or without album art. |
| 04:56:05 | J3TC- | Stick with the old themes? |
| 04:56:10 | J3TC- | Or remove the album art from the files themselves |
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| 04:57:07 | psycho_maniac | thats what i did with a couple of themes. |
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| 04:57:41 | Mouser_X | I'm actually using a WPS that was meant to support album art. I just removed that bit though. |
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| 05:02:16 | psycho_maniac | whats the name? |
| 05:03:04 | Mouser_X | Pixel for Gigabeat. |
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| 05:09:14 | J3TC- | X5 has lots of great themes that supports album art and non-album art at the same time |
| 05:13:00 | J3TC- | There we go |
| 05:13:17 | J3TC- | The album art patch is borkz with the new changes |
| 05:13:27 | scorche | well, that happens... |
| 05:13:36 | J3TC- | I know |
| 05:13:42 | J3TC- | But I found out which patch broke |
| 05:13:52 | scorche | the patch author/maintainer is the one to notify |
| 05:14:00 | J3TC- | Looks about right too....the patch failed at playback.c |
| 05:14:10 | J3TC- | I know I know |
| 05:14:15 | J3TC- | I'm just saying :3 |
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| 05:16:43 | J3TC- | Yep |
| 05:16:56 | J3TC- | playback.c had really major changes done on |
| 05:17:24 | Mouser_X | No joke. |
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| 05:36:01 | makuseru | what file format of word documets does Rockbox support? |
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| 05:37:00 | scorche | rockbox doesnt support word documents |
| 05:37:07 | scorche | it has a txt viewer though |
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| 05:37:25 | makuseru | i cant put a text file on there and veiw it? |
| 05:37:40 | scorche | well, you asked about word documents... |
| 05:37:49 | scorche | as i said, it can view txt files |
| 05:38:09 | makuseru | ah |
| 05:38:13 | makuseru | well i ment txt files |
| 05:38:21 | makuseru | i just couldnt figure out what format to save it as |
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| 05:39:26 | makuseru | thank you |
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| 05:40:47 | donsd_l | My Rockbox will not turn off. What should I do? |
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| 05:41:31 | psycho_maniac | donsd_l: what player do you have? |
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| 05:43:18 | donsd_l | psycho_maniac: Sansa e200 |
| 05:43:36 | psycho_maniac | try a hard reset? |
| 05:43:38 | DogBoy | keep holding the pwr button down |
| 05:43:42 | DogBoy | it will eventually |
| 05:43:57 | DogBoy | it can take up to a minute or so |
| 05:44:00 | DogBoy | or even two |
| 05:44:07 | donsd_l | Tried that. Will try again. Maybe I need to hold down longer. Thanks. |
| 05:44:21 | DogBoy | yea freaked me out the first time it happened |
| 05:44:24 | DogBoy | be persistent |
| 05:44:52 | donsd_l | Success! Thanks guys. |
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| 05:50:42 | kkurbjun | jhMikeS: do you know when portal player interrupts are enabled during boot in the main build? |
| 05:53:13 | Calcipher | yeah when the sansa freezes up holding down power takes so long you start worrying hehe |
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| 05:58:53 | Cronoh | yo. |
| 05:59:12 | Cronoh | im like, trying to install rockbox (im sure u get a ton of idiots like me poppin in, sorry) |
| 05:59:26 | Cronoh | and it has errors downloading the files, received HTTP error 7602289 it says |
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| 06:01:32 | Cronoh | anyone know? :o |
| 06:03:00 | DogBoy | when you do what |
| 06:03:22 | DogBoy | "downloading the files" is pretty vague |
| 06:04:21 | Cronoh | sorry |
| 06:04:22 | Cronoh | like |
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| 06:04:25 | Cronoh | im using rockbox utility |
| 06:04:33 | Cronoh | and click complete installation |
| 06:04:37 | Cronoh | or small isntallation |
| 06:04:43 | Cronoh | both give me errors in the littlwe popup box |
| 06:06:02 | DogBoy | do it manually? |
| 06:06:16 | Calcipher | you sure rbutil has access |
| 06:06:21 | Calcipher | to the internet |
| 06:06:26 | Cronoh | how to know? |
| 06:06:32 | Calcipher | thats a simple possibility |
| 06:06:34 | Cronoh | i downlaoded themes and stuff |
| 06:06:35 | Cronoh | without problem |
| 06:06:38 | Cronoh | using the noral installer |
| 06:07:17 | krazykit | Cronoh, please try to keep stuff to the same line. the enter key is not the spacebar |
| 06:07:25 | Cronoh | Sorry, bad habit |
| 06:08:03 | Cronoh | I just tried runnign the normal installer, tbutil, and clicked bootloader it says "unsupported Bootloader Install method" |
| 06:08:05 | Cronoh | :/ |
| 06:08:32 | krazykit | i'd recommend using the manual install as outlined in the manual, then |
| 06:08:36 | Cronoh | ah k |
| 06:14:06 | Cronoh | arg |
| 06:14:17 | Cronoh | a write error |
| 06:14:42 | Cronoh | Error reading from disk: Data error (cyclic redundancy check). |
| 06:15:14 | krazykit | i'd recommend doing a chkdisk (or whatever windows calls it) / fsck on that drive, then. |
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| 06:16:09 | Cronoh | i did a chkdsk on it |
| 06:16:28 | Cronoh | chkdsk H:\ - came back with no errors |
| 06:18:36 | Cronoh | hmm, any ideas? :/ |
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| 06:30:39 | Cronoh | ok.. i formatted the ipod so it had nothing on it |
| 06:30:42 | Cronoh | did a restore with itunes |
| 06:30:50 | Cronoh | and the bootloader still wont work |
| 06:30:51 | Cronoh | wth |
| 06:31:01 | scorche | define "wont work" |
| 06:31:07 | Cronoh | same error as before |
| 06:31:14 | Cronoh | while running the manual installation, it says: |
| 06:31:24 | scorche | what device is this? |
| 06:31:30 | Cronoh | Error reading from disk: Data error (cyclic redudancy check). |
| 06:31:36 | Cronoh | iPod Video 30G |
| 06:32:06 | Cronoh | [ERR] Write Failed |
| 06:32:14 | Cronoh | and thats it, Image movement failed. |
| 06:32:24 | Cronoh | −−install failed. Press ENTER to exit ipodpatcher. |
| 06:32:27 | scorche | image movement? |
| 06:32:38 | Cronoh | yeah this is the stuff it tells me in ipodpatcher.exe |
| 06:33:42 | scorche | have you tried a different computer and/or cable? |
| 06:34:10 | scorche | and just to be clear, where did you get ipodpatcher? |
| 06:34:26 | Cronoh | from the link on manual |
| 06:34:34 | Cronoh | no i havnt tried a different pc or cable |
| 06:34:40 | Cronoh | maybe i can try a different usb slot |
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| 06:34:49 | Cronoh | but everythign else transfers to the ipod fine |
| 06:34:59 | Cronoh | i cai did a mnualy isntall of all the .rockbox/ stuff |
| 06:38:07 | Cronoh | anyone know what i can do? |
| 06:38:26 | Cronoh | what exactly does the bootloader do? is it a TON of files? |
| 06:38:45 | Mouser_X | The bootloader does exactly that. It's the boot file that loads Rockbox. |
| 06:39:09 | rep|icant | evening all.. quick (i hope) question about a problem i'm having: |
| 06:39:16 | psycho_maniac | install the bootloader, extract the rockbox.zip file and it should work. |
| 06:39:39 | Mouser_X | psycho_maniac: For whatever reason, the bootloader isn't installing for Cronoh. |
| 06:39:49 | rep|icant | hopefully it all shows up |
| 06:39:50 | rep|icant | i am having a weird id3 tag anamoly and have not seen any mention of it on the forums or manual. i have an 80gig ipod that shows this. i'm using a custom build but have tried a daily build as of 3 days ago just in case it was something wrong with the custom build. i also am not using itunes or the itunes database, strictly maintaining everything straight on the ipod. i will prefix this issue also with saying that i've tried |
| 06:39:59 | psycho_maniac | what did you use to install the bootloader? |
| 06:40:11 | Mouser_X | Rbutil+ipodpatcher. |
| 06:40:43 | Mouser_X | rep|icant: You're typing too much. It didn't all come through. |
| 06:40:59 | rep|icant | bah, where did it leave off? |
| 06:41:03 | Mouser_X | Also, there's been some big changes recently. You'll need to try a new non-custom build. |
| 06:41:04 | rep|icant | sorry about that |
| 06:41:12 | rep|icant | was that to me mouser? |
| 06:41:14 | Mouser_X | (Metadata on Buffer was commited.) |
| 06:41:15 | rep|icant | the big changes |
| 06:41:15 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 06:41:19 | rep|icant | ahh ok cool |
| 06:41:25 | rep|icant | i'll giev latest daily a go then |
| 06:41:27 | Cronoh | Mosuer, I have tried the obvious |
| 06:41:30 | rep|icant | thanks kindly |
| 06:41:44 | rep|icant | btw if that doesn't work, do you have any other ideas of what it may be? |
| 06:41:54 | Cronoh | I get errors when running ipodpatcher or anythignt o install the bootloader |
| 06:42:02 | rep|icant | here should be rest of it mouser: |
| 06:42:03 | rep|icant | i will prefix this issue also with saying that i've tried deleting the various database related files and re-initializing/updating the database. ok now with the issue, a select group of mp3s are having weird tagging issues. the artist/album tags show up perfectly, however the track title tag shows up as just (for example) "BAL.mp3" instead of "Ballah". Any ideas of what might be happening? |
| 06:42:03 | Cronoh | isnt there a file i can manually place on the ipod, or something? |
| 06:42:11 | Mouser_X | rep|icant: Sorry, no, I don't have any ideas. |
| 06:42:22 | rep|icant | *nod* appreciate your time none the less |
| 06:42:47 | Mouser_X | Cronoh: There is a manual method, but I don't remember what it is (I don't have an iPod). |
| 06:42:59 | Cronoh | The manual metho,d using ipodpatcher.exe ? |
| 06:43:10 | Cronoh | Becuase thats running in the cmd window, and it still gets an error |
| 06:43:41 | Cronoh | but i can pu files onto the ipod with no problems, even by dragging and dropping, so i cant see why there is a problem :/ |
| 06:43:56 | Mouser_X | It's been quite awhile ago that the manual method was used. I don't remember how it was done before ipodpatcher, but I would think there's a way to do it. |
| 06:44:09 | Cronoh | know of anywhere i could look it up |
| 06:44:39 | Mouser_X | Cronoh: The iPod bootloader (what you're trying to replace) is "hidden" in a special location on the iPod that is not normally accessable. |
| 06:44:51 | Mouser_X | Thus, you can't simply drag+drop files to replace it. |
| 06:45:03 | Cronoh | hmm |
| 06:45:11 | Mouser_X | This is why ipodpatcher was made. |
| 06:45:17 | Cronoh | right |
| 06:45:19 | Mouser_X | It knows how to access this hidden section. |
| 06:45:59 | Cronoh | hmmm |
| 06:46:07 | Cronoh | so i am lost on what to do |
| 06:46:44 | Cronoh | uis there a different bootloader, that i can try? |
| 06:47:22 | Mouser_X | Look for ipodlinux. They have some other bootloader. |
| 06:47:50 | Cronoh | do i need linux installed |
| 06:47:51 | Mouser_X | (I think there's even a method to triple boot - iPodLinux+Rockbox+Apple OS. |
| 06:47:53 | Cronoh | in order to get that? |
| 06:48:20 | Mouser_X | No, you shouldn't. However, I don't know how it'd be used, so it might not be what you're looking for. |
| 06:49:08 | Mouser_X | Cronoh: Take a look here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPatcher |
| 06:49:44 | Mouser_X | Does that give you additional information? It might give you an idea on how to diagnos your iPod, using ipodpatcher. |
| 06:50:55 | n17ikh|Lappy | so, rockbox supports microsdhc, right? |
| 06:51:04 | n17ikh|Lappy | for the players with micro sd slots |
| 06:51:08 | n17ikh|Lappy | eg sansa e200 |
| 06:51:20 | donsd_l | Can I delete the entire directory, SYSTEM, which includes the folders, DATA, REFS and WMDRMPD? |
| 06:51:20 | Mouser_X | Yes, it should, as I recall. |
| 06:51:32 | n17ikh|Lappy | I'd love to have a 32 gb flash player |
| 06:51:36 | n17ikh|Lappy | or, 36 |
| 06:51:42 | n17ikh|Lappy | since it should still be able to use the original space |
| 06:51:57 | Mouser_X | donsd_l: What player are you talking about? |
| 06:52:08 | n17ikh|Lappy | (I just bought an e260 on the cheap) |
| 06:52:18 | Mouser_X | donsd_l: Some players require certain files to be present, for them to work. |
| 06:52:28 | donsd_l | Mouser_X: Sansa e200. |
| 06:52:38 | n17ikh|Lappy | certain files |
| 06:53:01 | Mouser_X | Ah. I have no idea then. Sorry (I have a Gigabeat, and some of the OF files need to be present for it to boot). |
| 06:53:07 | n17ikh|Lappy | how much space does the original firmware take up anyway? |
| 06:53:08 | donsd_l | Yes, but would they be recreated if missing? |
| 06:53:17 | n17ikh|Lappy | you'd have to download some sort of utility from sandisk, probably |
| 06:53:21 | n17ikh|Lappy | like a recovery tool |
| 06:53:34 | Mouser_X | Most likely, yes. (@ n17ikh|Lappy) |
| 06:53:47 | donsd_l | How about the DATA directory? |
| 06:53:50 | n17ikh|Lappy | dunno |
| 06:53:59 | n17ikh|Lappy | I'll test it when my e260 gets here and let you know >_> |
| 06:54:07 | karashata | n17ikh|Lappy: it would end up being 32 GB of space, since flash memory comes in multiples of 8 |
| 06:54:23 | karashata | and some of that 32 GB would be lost to firmware files |
| 06:54:27 | n17ikh|Lappy | well, yeah |
| 06:54:44 | n17ikh|Lappy | it'd be 32 gb + 4 gb |
| 06:54:55 | n17ikh|Lappy | since the player has 4gb soldered in, anyway |
| 06:55:15 | karashata | ohhh, you mean a 32 GB card as extra, then... |
| 06:55:18 | karashata | nvm me then |
| 06:55:25 | n17ikh|Lappy | I wouldn't expect the firmware to take up anything significant, anyhow |
| 06:55:37 | karashata | thought you meant a 32 GB player with the full 32 built in... |
| 06:55:40 | n17ikh|Lappy | nah |
| 06:55:42 | Mouser_X | donsd_l: Take a look at what's in the data directory. Chances are that it could be deleted, but you should look first. If it looks like it's not music (or something important) then don't delete it. |
| 06:55:46 | n17ikh|Lappy | I was talking about using an SDHC card |
| 06:56:00 | n17ikh|Lappy | I bet a 32gb micro-sdhc card would be extraordinarily expensive |
| 06:56:08 | n17ikh|Lappy | hell, they probably don't exist yet |
| 06:57:15 | Cronoh | ipodlinux installer dosnt recognize my ipod as being there? lol |
| 06:57:34 | krazykit | ipodlinux is not supported here |
| 06:58:28 | donsd_l | Mouser_X: Mostly, IDX files. I'm pretty sure I can delete them. |
| 06:58:33 | psycho_maniac | Cronoh: how old is this player? |
| 06:59:10 | Cronoh | no clue i bougt it used |
| 06:59:14 | Cronoh | from some black kid :) |
| 06:59:45 | Mouser_X | Cronoh: Did you look at the link I posted? |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:03 | Cronoh | yeah i have it open |
| 07:00:09 | Cronoh | but unsure what exactly i should do with ti :D |
| 07:00:14 | Mouser_X | Read it. |
| 07:00:49 | Cronoh | k sec |
| 07:00:51 | Mouser_X | Does it provide useful info (does it tell you any additional stuff that you can do with ipodpatcher, to help you figure out what's going on)? |
| 07:01:31 | Mouser_X | You might need to open a separate command window (rather than double-clicking on ipodpatcher.exe, you might have to access it in a window). |
| 07:01:42 | Cronoh | right |
| 07:01:57 | Cronoh | is the rockbox.ipod included in the "daily" file for my ipod |
| 07:02:04 | Cronoh | is that the bootloader? or firmware whatever |
| 07:04:15 | Mouser_X | No, that's not the bootloader. |
| 07:04:28 | Cronoh | oh well i just wrote it to the ipod as the firmware |
| 07:04:29 | Cronoh | lol :D |
| 07:04:37 | Mouser_X | I could be wrong. |
| 07:05:41 | Mouser_X | (I was checking my Gigabeat's files. I realize a Gigabeat is not an iPod, and thus there will be major differences. I have a "gigabeat.rockbox" file, so I mistakeningly thought it was similar to the "rockbox.ipod" file.) |
| 07:06:01 | Mouser_X | The rockbox.ipod file is probably what you wanted. |
| 07:06:09 | Cronoh | −−write-firmware (-wf) filename.ipod |
| 07:06:09 | Cronoh | This command can be used to completely replace the Apple firmware in the OSOS image with either the Rockbox bootloader or the main rockbox.ipod file. |
| 07:06:14 | Cronoh | ^ thats from the page |
| 07:06:37 | Mouser_X | I hadn't gotten that far (I've never read the page, because I have no need to use ipodpatcher). |
| 07:06:49 | Cronoh | HOLY SHIRT |
| 07:06:51 | Cronoh | is thi right |
| 07:06:55 | Cronoh | some REALLY SMALL writing? |
| 07:07:04 | Cronoh | HWEEEEELLL YEAH!!! |
| 07:07:11 | * | Cronoh HUGS MOUSER |
| 07:07:11 | * | Cronoh HUGS MOUSER |
| 07:07:14 | Mouser_X | ... |
| 07:07:24 | Cronoh | cmon |
| 07:07:26 | Cronoh | embrace the love |
| 07:07:28 | Cronoh | <333 |
| 07:07:30 | Mouser_X | What'd I do? |
| 07:07:36 | Cronoh | sent me that page! |
| 07:07:41 | Cronoh | which led to me doing this, and fixing it! |
| 07:07:59 | Mouser_X | Ah. Cool. Glad I could help. |
| 07:08:05 | Cronoh | <3 |
| 07:08:11 | Cronoh | so how to take it fof this SUPER TINY FONT theme? |
| 07:08:35 | psycho_maniac | look up the wps gallery in the wiki |
| 07:08:37 | Mouser_X | Read the manual. It'll tell you how to change themes/fonts/WPS and all that stuff. |
| 07:09:00 | Cronoh | quick question though |
| 07:09:05 | Cronoh | does it always have this reaaaaly tiny font? |
| 07:09:15 | Mouser_X | No, it doesn't. |
| 07:09:22 | Cronoh | k |
| 07:09:29 | Cronoh | how ahrd is it to make your own theme |
| 07:09:32 | Mouser_X | You can change the font. There's different styles, types, and sizes. |
| 07:10:11 | Mouser_X | It's not that hard (it's actually pretty easy, generally speaking), but it might be time-consuming. |
| 07:10:41 | Cronoh | coolsaucwe |
| 07:10:59 | Cronoh | dang man im so happy |
| 07:11:04 | Cronoh | i thought i was going to be screwed |
| 07:11:10 | Cronoh | with my SLOW LAGGY ipo interface |
| 07:11:13 | Cronoh | ipod* |
| 07:11:18 | karashata | Cronoh: I've made a few WPS themes of my own, I'd say depending what you do it can take anywhere from 2 to 4 hours to make one |
| 07:11:25 | Cronoh | k |
| 07:11:26 | Mouser_X | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 07:11:29 | donsd_l | Cronoh: The default font is very small. It is easily changed, but I can't tell you how right now. :( |
| 07:11:38 | Cronoh | ok |
| 07:11:40 | karashata | give or take maybe a half hour to test it and tweak it to work exactly right |
| 07:11:47 | Cronoh | cool man thanks |
| 07:11:57 | Mouser_X | Cronoh: Check out that CustomWPS link, as well as http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomIcons |
| 07:12:05 | Cronoh | is the voice talking and stuff worth it? lol or dumb? ;p |
| 07:12:17 | karashata | if you like voiced menus, sure |
| 07:12:20 | Mouser_X | It's worth it if you're blind. |
| 07:12:29 | Cronoh | lmao |
| 07:12:31 | karashata | and what Mouser_X said |
| 07:12:40 | Mouser_X | If you're not blind, then I'd say 50/50, depending on your tastes. |
| 07:12:59 | karashata | could be useful if you like to use your iPod from your pocket |
| 07:13:07 | Mouser_X | True. |
| 07:13:11 | Cronoh | wow no Verdana font? |
| 07:13:13 | Cronoh | that sucks :[ |
| 07:13:29 | Mouser_X | Cronoh: Did you install the additional fonts? |
| 07:13:33 | Cronoh | yea |
| 07:13:38 | Cronoh | i got like 30-50 or so it looks like |
| 07:13:47 | karashata | there's a little utility somewhere that can take ttf fonts and turn them into a usable font for RB |
| 07:13:53 | karashata | can't remember where it is though |
| 07:13:57 | Cronoh | ah really |
| 07:14:02 | Cronoh | damn rb fuckin rocks~! |
| 07:14:08 | karashata | and Verdana is a Windows font, isn't it..? |
| 07:14:09 | Mouser_X | Very true. |
| 07:14:17 | * | Mouser_X likes Rockbox. |
| 07:14:23 | * | karashata likes it too |
| 07:14:51 | Cronoh | yes it is |
| 07:15:11 | karashata | ahh |
| 07:15:20 | Mouser_X | Cronoh: If you work on a WPS, or a theme, you might want to check out rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator |
| 07:15:41 | Mouser_X | You can find some simulator builds there, which can aid in testing a theme/WPS. |
| 07:16:09 | Cronoh | sweeet thanks <3 |
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| 07:17:06 | Cronoh | i got doom in games like (i installed wap or whatever) |
| 07:17:28 | Cronoh | and in small tesxt at top is an error, "Data bort at 0016B5D8 (0)" |
| 07:17:37 | Mouser_X | I like Rockboy. I don't play FPS type games often... |
| 07:18:14 | Mouser_X | Cronoh: Been here? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 07:18:19 | Cronoh | no sir |
| 07:18:51 | Cronoh | ty |
| 07:19:24 | Cronoh | do i manually add my music? If so, where to? |
| 07:19:46 | Mouser_X | Anywhere you want. |
| 07:19:59 | Mouser_X | Rockbox works on a filetree system. |
| 07:20:00 | Cronoh | can it find ti all easily? Or how does that work |
| 07:20:21 | Mouser_X | Do you plan on using the OF occasionally? |
| 07:21:00 | Mouser_X | (I assume that you will, since you're using an iPod. People usually switch between RB, and OF on the iPod, due to battery life.) |
| 07:21:21 | Cronoh | whats of? |
| 07:21:31 | karashata | original firmware |
| 07:21:31 | Mouser_X | Original Firmware. |
| 07:21:39 | Mouser_X | Jinx |
| 07:21:44 | karashata | d'oh |
| 07:21:50 | Cronoh | oh, like, this one sues battery faster? |
| 07:21:53 | Cronoh | uses* |
| 07:22:10 | karashata | on the iPods, most notably |
| 07:22:16 | Cronoh | like terribly? |
| 07:22:27 | scorche | well, PP devices.. |
| 07:22:28 | Mouser_X | Yes, Rockbox hasn't been optimized for iPods yet. As such, the battery life is not spectacular on the iPods. |
| 07:22:44 | Cronoh | like if tis ussually, 8 hours, when running this, it will be, 3 hours? or like 6? |
| 07:22:54 | Mouser_X | It's okay (10 hours? I don't actually know), but it's not great. |
| 07:22:56 | karashata | my H10 averages about 11.5 hours |
| 07:23:26 | karashata | though the battery I have in there isn't stock, and the stock was advertised as good for about 16 hours on OF |
| 07:23:44 | karashata | should test the OF on the new battery, see how long it lasts |
| 07:23:51 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 07:24:29 | karashata | I haven't once used the OF with the new battery, I wonder if it'll detect the battery life right... |
| 07:24:36 | Mouser_X | Cronoh: If you do decide to use both RB and the OF, then you'll most likely want to (perhaps even need to) use Rockbox's database stuff. |
| 07:24:49 | psycho_maniac | Cronoh: look up IpodRuntime on the wiki. it will give you an idea of how long it lasts. |
| 07:25:09 | Mouser_X | There's an idea! (I hadn't thought of that.) |
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| 07:27:29 | Cronoh | yeah |
| 07:27:34 | Cronoh | looks like 5-7 hrs |
| 07:28:46 | Ebert | get one of those super capacity batteries too, you'll need it |
| 07:28:55 | Cronoh | ? where do you get that |
| 07:29:12 | Ebert | ebay 10 bucks, install yourself |
| 07:29:24 | Cronoh | how much better are they |
| 07:29:32 | Ebert | you don't really need it, just joking |
| 07:29:50 | Ebert | stock is 600 mah, can be 1200mah |
| 07:30:15 | Mouser_X | I'd like to put a 1200mah in my Gigabeat... |
| 07:30:41 | Ebert | you can get a 4g ipod battery and do that, you see the wiki for it? |
| 07:31:17 | Cronoh | where do ig et games and stuff? :p |
| 07:31:29 | Mouser_X | Ebert: Yes I did. Neat stuff. |
| 07:31:44 | Cronoh | also, should i locate my music in the .rockbox folder, or no? |
| 07:31:58 | Mouser_X | Definitely not. |
| 07:32:00 | Ebert | have you downloaded manual? and looked at install instructions? |
| 07:33:16 | psycho_maniac | anybody every try to play a song in the .rockbox folder? |
| 07:33:36 | scorche | it should work, but it isnt recommended to use that for music storage.. |
| 07:34:29 | Cronoh | uh roh |
| 07:34:34 | Cronoh | i put a mp3 on the thing somehwere |
| 07:34:35 | Cronoh | and ti says |
| 07:34:38 | Cronoh | No codec! |
| 07:35:01 | Ebert | have to reupdate the id3 tags |
| 07:35:17 | Cronoh | like, manually for all my songs? |
| 07:35:27 | Ebert | no no, its a button in rockbox |
| 07:35:45 | Ebert | settings/database/initialize or update |
| 07:36:19 | Mouser_X | Ebert: I don't think he's using the database yet. |
| 07:36:39 | Cronoh | ok id id initialize |
| 07:36:41 | Cronoh | in databasse |
| 07:36:43 | Cronoh | ;p; |
| 07:36:57 | Cronoh | no workie |
| 07:37:01 | Cronoh | still codec failure |
| 07:37:12 | Ebert | ya, im no good |
| 07:37:17 | * | Ebert closes trap |
| 07:37:23 | Mouser_X | Try rebooting? |
| 07:37:27 | Cronoh | yeah i did |
| 07:37:30 | Cronoh | i go to database |
| 07:37:31 | Mouser_X | :( |
| 07:37:34 | Cronoh | and it has my song in the list |
| 07:37:57 | karashata | codec failure...? |
| 07:38:01 | Cronoh | but when i play it gets yeah that ^ |
| 07:38:27 | scorche | that usually happens when you ahvent extracted the .rockbox folder fully |
| 07:38:34 | Cronoh | ah really |
| 07:38:53 | Cronoh | k reextracting |
| 07:39:40 | psycho_maniac | did you not extract the whole rockbox.zip file the first time? |
| 07:39:51 | Cronoh | i thogut i did |
| 07:39:55 | Cronoh | but it is possible i didnt |
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| 07:40:49 | Cronoh | yup |
| 07:40:53 | Cronoh | you fucking rule my friend! |
| 07:40:55 | Cronoh | it works! |
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| 07:42:00 | Cronoh | so this "database" function |
| 07:42:03 | Cronoh | is like an itunes? |
| 07:42:20 | Cronoh | sorta |
| 07:42:32 | karashata | the database organizes your music files based on ID3 tag information |
| 07:42:55 | Mouser_X | Sort of. If you've used iTunes on your iPod, then you'll pretty much have to use the database, since iTunes mangles the file names of your songs. |
| 07:43:09 | ToHellWithGA | it's like itunes but without the jive store and streaming radio and user interface |
| 07:43:48 | Cronoh | so how do i do playlists n shyt? |
| 07:43:53 | Cronoh | lol <−− total nub sorry |
| 07:44:15 | psycho_maniac | please read the manual |
| 07:44:49 | scorche | rockbox reads standard m3u playlists...many many programs can create these, and rockbox can ont he device too |
| 07:46:14 | Cronoh | hmmm |
| 07:46:18 | Cronoh | i am draggin an droppin files |
| 07:46:25 | Cronoh | into the ipod in my computer, and it says now... |
| 07:46:44 | Mouser_X | (The enter key is not a spacebar.) |
| 07:46:44 | Cronoh | Cannot create or replace: xxx (filename) The parameter is incorrect |
| 07:47:42 | psycho_maniac | i think that means a bad disk. because i got that same parameter is incorrect on a cdrom and that was because it was scratched. |
| 07:48:03 | Cronoh | so does that mean my ipod is broken now? ;p |
| 07:48:15 | Mouser_X | Run checkdisk on it. |
| 07:48:15 | psycho_maniac | try some other files. |
| 07:50:42 | Cronoh | dang |
| 07:50:49 | Cronoh | i lvoe how fast it switches through files though |
| 07:50:50 | Cronoh | :) |
| 07:52:41 | Cronoh | hmm |
| 07:56:24 | Cronoh | ok. |
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| 08:04:41 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
| 08:05:01 | mrkiko | I can't crash my H340 anymore with the yesterday-built rockbox |
| 08:05:12 | mrkiko | I was in the bus so I didn't tried seriously crashing it ... |
| 08:05:22 | mrkiko | But scrolling fastly didn't give the right effect. |
| 08:05:30 | Mouser_X | Oh come on. It can't be *that* hard to crash it. Throw it at a brick wall or something. |
| 08:05:36 | Mouser_X | (While driving.) |
| 08:05:50 | mrkiko | :) |
| 08:06:11 | mrkiko | Mouser_X: may be you're trying to be nice, but here are 8:00 AM and so I can't apreciate it. thank you aniway :) |
| 08:06:39 | Mouser_X | I was trying to be funny. Not that I was, but I did try. |
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| 08:07:38 | mrkiko | Mouser_X: :) oh.. I'm not a native english speaker so I don't know exactly the difference between "nice" and "funny". Aniway: It's my fault. When I arriver here at school at this hour I'm always acid :) |
| 08:07:49 | mrkiko | acid -> irritable... |
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| 08:08:58 | Mouser_X | No problem. I've had much, much worse. If you're irritable now (I figured you weren't that bad, reasonable even), then you must be an all around nice guy, when you're in a good mood. |
| 08:09:27 | Mouser_X | Anyway, back on-topic. (Sorry about that.) |
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| 08:21:09 | mrkiko | Mouser_X: :) thank you |
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| 08:30:12 | pondlife | Wow, MoB got a serious green delta |
| 08:30:42 | Mouser_X | What's that mean, if I'm allowed to ask? |
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| 08:30:55 | pondlife | http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi |
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| 08:33:23 | scorche | pondlife: his response to me when i said roughly the same thing |
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| 08:42:59 | Mouser_X | If I have 55% of the battery left on my Gigabeat, would I be safe to assume that it will last as long tomorrow, as it did today? |
| 08:43:57 | karashata | if you run it in the same conditions, perhaps |
| 08:44:35 | Mouser_X | MP3s, + 2 videos (it's pretty much what I do every day). |
| 08:45:15 | karashata | more than likely, as long as the mp3s are encoded at the same bitrate |
| 08:46:23 | Mouser_X | Most VBR. I'm going through my OC ReMix stuff right now. |
| 08:47:10 | karashata | ahh |
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| 09:26:40 | boyko | Anybody here with commit access? I've spotted a typo in the manual, chapter 2.3.1. In "Prebuild binaries for Windows, Linux..." it should read "Prebuilt", i.e. 'd' should be replaced with 't' in 'Prebuild.' I wouldn't like to create a patch for such a little change. |
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| 09:32:46 | eigma | boyko: thanks boyko, fixed. |
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| 09:42:13 | inteliwasp | anyone awake? |
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| 09:42:38 | webguest46 | hi, dose rockbox work on an Iriver e10? |
| 09:43:26 | karashata | not currently, and AFIAK no one's working on a port to it |
| 09:44:28 | webguest46 | ok |
| 09:44:37 | inteliwasp | has there been any major changes to rb for the 4g since early feb? i just got a new battery... |
| 09:44:43 | webguest46 | AFIAK ? |
| 09:45:12 | inteliwasp | he means "as far as i know" |
| 09:46:00 | webguest46 | ok |
| 09:46:04 | rasher | inteliwasp: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
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| 09:46:21 | webguest46 | so it will be a while until i can put rockbox on my iriver |
| 09:47:10 | egolost | webguest46: maybe it will be forever since noone is working on it. |
| 09:47:12 | inteliwasp | rasher: many thanks....*reading* |
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| 09:47:40 | * | pondlife missed the MoB party |
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| 09:53:32 | JdGordon | pondlife: it was HUGE!!! we had strippers and grog and everything |
| 09:53:55 | JdGordon | wait... you said MoB party... |
| 09:53:57 | JdGordon | never mind |
| 09:54:03 | * | JdGordon missed it also :'( |
| 09:55:11 | pondlife | They had beer :/ |
| 09:55:19 | pondlife | Just read the logs |
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| 10:02:35 | JdGordon | haha really? |
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| 10:08:05 | inteliwasp | i noticed that on the ipod build, the rockbox.ipod file is not in the main directory but in .rockbox, will this pose a problem for my ipod that has not been updated since febuary? |
| 10:10:07 | JdGordon | just delete the .ipod in the root |
| 10:10:16 | JdGordon | you may have to upgrade your bootloader |
| 10:10:38 | inteliwasp | ... 0_0 |
| 10:11:04 | inteliwasp | got a link for upgrading the bootloader in linux? |
| 10:11:11 | JdGordon | the wiki |
| 10:11:31 | pixelma | or the manual |
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| 10:15:50 | inteliwasp | got it, thanks pixelma |
| 10:16:35 | inteliwasp | now all i need to do is wait for 3 more hours to charge my shiny new 1200mAh battery... |
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| 10:34:03 | pondlife | Is it possible to delete out of date wiki pages? |
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| 10:37:26 | Zagor | pondlife: no they are stuck on the internet forever, forever broadcasting their dead content into the black empty void... |
| 10:37:36 | pondlife | Pity |
| 10:37:43 | Zagor | :) |
| 10:37:44 | pondlife | Misleading content too. |
| 10:38:10 | pondlife | Anyone know where I can get an up-to-date RbUtilQt? I can't build it under Cygwin |
| 10:38:36 | pondlife | 1.0.2 doesn't make .talk files correctly (still?). Want to see if I'm just missing a release.. |
| 10:38:44 | Zagor | pondlife: the "more" link at the bottom of wiki pages allow you to delete them |
| 10:39:17 | Zagor | or maybe it's restricted. I don't quite remember. I get a "delete topic" link there anyway. |
| 10:39:33 | pondlife | Access Denied |
| 10:39:48 | pondlife | "Access check on Main.MetadataOnBufferTesting failed. Action "rename": access not allowed on web." |
| 10:39:57 | Zagor | ok |
| 10:40:29 | pixelma | I think "normal" users can't delete things since the wiki had to be set up new last time :\ Same with attached files, IIRC. |
| 10:40:50 | Zagor | I think we should rather add a line on top of the page: "M-O-B is now committed, and this topic is outdated." |
| 10:41:00 | pondlife | I already edited it. |
| 10:42:04 | Zagor | keeping old stuff doesn't hurt, as long as it's properly marked imho |
| 10:42:27 | pondlife | Perhaps we should have a standard - a big red OBSOLETE at the top? |
| 10:43:00 | Zagor | i think we have some red text like that on a few pages already. I'll look it up... |
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| 10:44:58 | Zagor | FlashingRockbox has a text, though it's rather verbose |
| 10:45:30 | pixelma | I think IpodInstallation has something like that too |
| 10:45:30 | pondlife | Just a simple %RED%*OBSOLETE*%ENDCOLOR% maybe |
| 10:46:05 | Zagor | I think a few words of explanation are in order too. why is it obsolete? i.e. feature dropped, found impossible, or simply done? |
| 10:46:26 | pondlife | OK |
| 10:46:46 | Zagor | but I'd like it at the very top of the article, not in the middle of the text |
| 10:48:40 | pondlife | Zagor: Like this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MetadataOnBufferTesting |
| 10:49:03 | pondlife | i.e. even above the page title |
| 10:49:37 | Zagor | yes, looks good |
| 10:50:07 | Zagor | that way it's more of a post-it note on the article, rather than part of the article itself |
| 10:50:47 | * | amiconn would rather like to be able to remove old stuff |
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| 10:57:54 | pondlife | Anyone done a before-and-after-MoB comparison of runtime yet? |
| 10:59:19 | pixelma | you would have to expect my results in a week or so :P |
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| 11:14:21 | pondlife | Ah, just had a missed track change... WPS stays mainly on track 2 (progress bar at 100%) although audio is track 3.. |
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| 11:32:53 | pondlife | Calcipher: You still having problems with video playback and voice, by the way? |
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| 12:23:42 | karashata | I'm getting random data abort errors and a rather consistent "Unidentified instruction at 00060AD8 (0)" message when I switch from a NSFE file to a MP3 file on r15314, any ideas what's causing this? |
| 12:27:46 | n1s | a bug? :P |
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| 12:28:08 | karashata | also getting data aborts and unidentified instructions switching back and forth between mp3 and spc formats |
| 12:28:19 | karashata | well, what's causing the bug, though |
| 12:28:20 | karashata | ? |
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| 12:28:48 | n1s | karashata: probably the big MoB commit, reprt it in the tracker or directly to Nico_P |
| 12:29:06 | n1s | and if it bothers you to no end go back to a build before yesterday |
| 12:30:02 | karashata | it's not a major issue, stopping all playback then switching formats works fine, but trying to switch while playing one or the other causes data aborts |
| 12:30:21 | karashata | I won't worry about dropping back but I'll leave a note in the tracker |
| 12:30:26 | Nico_P | karashata: oh, that would be my fault, as n1s said. what player do you have? |
| 12:30:27 | n1s | karashata: please report it anyway, all crashes are bad bugs |
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| 12:30:36 | karashata | H10 20GB |
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| 12:31:14 | Nico_P | karashata: is the adress always the same, |
| 12:31:17 | Nico_P | ? |
| 12:31:45 | karashata | no, it tends to vary a little depending if I'm going from an mp3 to an nsfe or the other way around |
| 12:31:56 | karashata | same with from mp3 to spc and vice-versa |
| 12:32:23 | Nico_P | a report in the tracker would be nice, and a range of adresses would probably be most helpful :) |
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| 12:32:39 | Nico_P | I think lostlogic had an experience with a similar bug |
| 12:32:49 | pondlife | Nico_P: Well done! |
| 12:32:53 | karashata | I'll see what I can come up with, the data abort address is a tad hard to catch some times |
| 12:33:04 | Nico_P | n1s: btw, has my recent commit improved the situation with the slowness you reported? |
| 12:33:16 | Nico_P | pondlife: thanks ;) and thanks for the correction too |
| 12:33:30 | Nico_P | I also saw your report on FS |
| 12:33:30 | pondlife | You won't say thanks when you look at Flyspray :) |
| 12:33:43 | pondlife | I also had playback stop again |
| 12:33:49 | Nico_P | :/ |
| 12:33:50 | pondlife | But it's a bit random |
| 12:34:11 | pondlife | In this case it actually stopped and went back to the browser! Not a stalled buffering. |
| 12:34:35 | tuplanolla | hum, does rockbox support videos? |
| 12:34:39 | pondlife | I'll find it easier to manage now it's in SVN. |
| 12:34:43 | tuplanolla | flv videos* |
| 12:34:49 | pondlife | tuplanolla: MPEG2 only |
| 12:35:15 | tuplanolla | ok, there must be a way to convert flv to mpeg2, thanks. |
| 12:35:20 | n1s | Nico_P: maybe a little not much though, clicking an nsf in a folder with ~200 others still takes ~4 seconds before it starts playing and just sits in the wps with the elapsed time showing 0:00 |
| 12:35:49 | pondlife | Nico_P: Changing codecs during playback gives similar symptoms here. Slowness I mean. |
| 12:36:22 | Nico_P | n1s: it's strange, mp3 seems to start fast even when adding a lot of tracks |
| 12:36:35 | Nico_P | I need to investigate |
| 12:37:13 | * | Nico_P needs to find a bunch of small tracks like NSF and SID to test |
| 12:37:27 | pondlife | Nico_P: Google for HVSC ? |
| 12:38:09 | Nico_P | wow, aren't there smaller archives? |
| 12:38:26 | pondlife | Probably, but you wanted a bunch :p |
| 12:38:38 | Nico_P | that's more! |
| 12:38:40 | Nico_P | :p |
| 12:38:52 | n1s | Nico_P: maybe it isn't your fault, it takes about as long when there are just a handful of nsf's in the folder too |
| 12:39:12 | n1s | still a bug tho IMHO |
| 12:39:14 | pondlife | I suspect it's codec-loading that's slower? |
| 12:39:16 | Nico_P | n1s: is nsf one of these codecs that need all the data? |
| 12:39:40 | n1s | Nico_P: I'm not at all familiar with how it works |
| 12:40:27 | n1s | well sid is as fast as it was before so it's probably some nsf quuirk |
| 12:40:31 | Nico_P | well it started fast in SVN anyway so no reason it shouldn't be the same in MoB... I'll investigate |
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| 12:46:57 | preglow | amiconn: reported the bug, yet? |
| 12:47:56 | karashata | Nico_P: how detailed do you want this tracker entry to be? |
| 12:49:08 | Nico_P | karashata: as much as reasonaly possible ;) |
| 12:49:22 | Nico_P | more details will help me track the bug down as these are quite hard to reproduce |
| 12:49:51 | karashata | well, I'm trying every codec combination I can do with the formats I have, and listing the results as understandably as possible |
| 12:50:03 | Nico_P | thanks a lot :) |
| 12:50:05 | karashata | hopefully it gives you a thorough idea what works and what doesn't |
| 12:50:15 | Nico_P | is the crash consistent? |
| 12:50:25 | pondlife | Put all reports onto Flyspray... of course.. |
| 12:50:57 | * | Nico_P is going to have to make flyspray his new homepage |
| 12:51:23 | pondlife | Hmm, SID playback kills the sim. |
| 12:51:27 | Nico_P | karashata: you can also assign the task to me |
| 12:51:31 | pondlife | gdb is my friend |
| 12:51:38 | Nico_P | pondlife: good :) that means we get a bt |
| 12:51:47 | pondlife | Nico_P: You don't have to fix it all yourself, you know :) |
| 12:51:51 | karashata | Nico_P: how do I assign it to you? |
| 12:52:20 | Nico_P | karashata: no idea. there should be a field. otherwise I'll just do it myself |
| 12:52:40 | karashata | there isn't a field... |
| 12:52:54 | Nico_P | karashata: oh, then I'll do it, don't worry |
| 12:53:16 | Nico_P | pondlife: I feel responsible ;) also at this point I almost know the code by hjeart |
| 12:53:19 | karashata | hmm... |
| 12:53:48 | karashata | I have a glitchy FLAC file I'll have to fix... not a RB issue but something I ran on while testing... |
| 12:53:54 | pondlife | Aha, I just managed to make the sim stop (and go back to browser) |
| 12:54:01 | pondlife | Just by skipping. |
| 12:54:52 | pondlife | The sim is lot less responsive than pre-MoB.. |
| 12:55:11 | karashata | Nico_P: FS #8027 is my report if you want to look at it now |
| 12:55:22 | pondlife | It locks up during buffering completely, although playback continues |
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| 12:55:35 | karashata | geh... forgot to test between SPC and NSFE... |
| 12:55:38 | pondlife | Woo, segfault |
| 12:56:29 | Nico_P | pondlife: you're cursed! |
| 12:57:05 | pondlife | Seems to be when playing SIDs and an MP3 is buffered |
| 12:57:17 | Nico_P | karashata: are the the adresses you noted consistent? |
| 12:57:38 | Nico_P | eg is the SPC to MP3 data abort adress always the same? |
| 12:58:27 | karashata | as far as I've seen that's the only one that's appeared out of all four SPC to MP3 attempts I tried |
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| 12:58:54 | karashata | 0000831C (0) seems to crop up the most for the data abort address |
| 12:59:19 | karashata | the unidentified instruction doesn't seem to happen at all for some of them either |
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| 13:01:23 | karashata | by the way, not related to the codec swapping issues, but still a small concern that may be MoB related... |
| 13:01:37 | RaZorbacK | sory testing something |
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| 13:02:12 | karashata | approximately 2 seconds lag between switching tracks in a playlist, stopping playback, and shutting the player down |
| 13:02:14 | pondlife | Nico_P: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8028 has plenty of info... perhaps these are all codec swapping issues? |
| 13:03:15 | karashata | ie. about 2 seconds more song plays after doing any of those things... |
| 13:03:56 | Nico_P | karashata: that's during buffering, isn't it? |
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| 13:04:19 | karashata | swapping file formats? I do believe so, yes |
| 13:04:53 | karashata | and while switching tracks and the rest was while it was still buffering as well |
| 13:05:13 | karashata | that's not something avoidable, and is known, then? |
| 13:05:31 | karashata | or known and not known how to avoid, perhaps? |
| 13:05:45 | e200owner | There are some keymap related patches for e200 in the FS. Is there any chance they will be committed? I have not tried them but from what the descriptions state, they would make e200 usage more intuitive. |
| 13:06:20 | e200owner | E.g. FS #7871, FS #7232 |
| 13:06:41 | Nico_P | pondlife: thanks for the report |
| 13:06:55 | pondlife | It's not as reproducible as I hoped |
| 13:07:00 | pondlife | I've had it twice |
| 13:07:18 | pondlife | Always a similar backtrace |
| 13:07:38 | Nico_P | karashata: there is definitely room for improvement... things should get better over time |
| 13:07:55 | karashata | if I had and SID files around I'd test swapping between those and the other formats I have, but I removed them when I needed space for other music... |
| 13:07:58 | pondlife | Could it be a stack overflow? |
| 13:09:11 | Nico_P | pondlife: I doubt it... the codec_load_file (plugin=0x0, api=0x4668a0) call looks very suspicious to le |
| 13:09:12 | karashata | Nico_P: it's not something that would bother me too much in normal use, thankfully |
| 13:09:34 | karashata | if it were, I do have a build from before the MoB commit that I could use until the kinks are worked out a little more |
| 13:09:45 | Nico_P | pondlife: I think the segfault originate from there |
| 13:09:50 | pondlife | Yes |
| 13:10:02 | karashata | and, a slight work around is to just stop all playback before moving into files of a different codec |
| 13:10:37 | pondlife | Q_CODEC_LOAD_DISK with data = 0... |
| 13:12:01 | Nico_P | pondlife: yes, and I think it comes from playback.c:2062 |
| 13:12:14 | pondlife | The other queue has a NULL test |
| 13:12:23 | Nico_P | there is no check of codec_fn there, whereas yes, the other has a check |
| 13:12:24 | pondlife | Why should get_codec_filename return NULL |
| 13:12:52 | Nico_P | maybe the metadata is invalid somehow |
| 13:13:08 | Nico_P | pondlife: maybe it would be useful to break on calls to get_codec_filename |
| 13:13:22 | pondlife | Problem is that this is timing-dependent in some way. |
| 13:13:31 | pondlife | Might need to be logf/DEBUGFed |
| 13:13:38 | Nico_P | you never know... |
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| 13:13:50 | * | Nico_P needs to make some lunch |
| 13:14:00 | * | pondlife sets breakpoints |
| 13:14:30 | * | karashata wonders how his mp3 player could have used so much battery with his tests that it's recharging already... |
| 13:15:12 | LinusN | what an interesting page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSubversion |
| 13:15:21 | pondlife | Indeed! |
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| 13:15:46 | karashata | ...heh |
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| 13:16:53 | Nico_P | LinusN: are you able to delete it? |
| 13:17:03 | LinusN | sure |
| 13:17:23 | pondlife | get_codec_filename() is called for each track I buffer :/ |
| 13:17:31 | * | pondlife wears out his c key |
| 13:19:09 | * | karashata gives pondlife a replacement c key |
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| 13:27:07 | pondlife | Anyone know how to use a conditional stop or assertion in gdb? |
| 13:27:28 | pondlife | get_codec_filename is being passed a value of 0, which outputs NULL |
| 13:27:32 | Nico_P | pondlife: break <place> if <condition> |
| 13:27:57 | Nico_P | break get_codec_filename if cod_spec == 0 |
| 13:28:05 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 13:28:22 | pixelma | LinusN, pondlife: there was one version of that wiki page that had both svn and cvs info (and the svn part was different than what there is on UsingSVN e.g. a link to redbean, or the introduction). Thought one could move that over before it gets deleted... |
| 13:30:15 | pondlife | Nico_P: There's a long delay before buffering starts after playback in the sim. The first track is buffered and played, but then it's about 20 seconds before it bothers buffering tracks 2 onwards |
| 13:30:29 | pondlife | During this 20 seconds, the sim is fairly locked up |
| 13:30:54 | pondlife | Maybe waiting for dircache? Or some kind of ata emulation thing |
| 13:31:19 | Nico_P | I have no idea why it's like that... :/ |
| 13:31:50 | pondlife | Have you tried it? |
| 13:31:55 | Nico_P | pondlife: by buffering you mean adding new tracks or reading data from disk to mem? |
| 13:32:05 | pondlife | Reading from disk to mem, I think |
| 13:32:10 | pondlife | Try it |
| 13:32:22 | pondlife | Make an H300 sim, with a load of SIDs to play with |
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| 13:32:42 | pondlife | Use my CFG if it helps, from FlySpray |
| 13:33:50 | Nico_P | as soon as I finish my luch ;) |
| 13:34:14 | pondlife | OK |
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| 13:40:20 | amiconn | pondlife: Most probably one more problem in the threading simulation - ask jhMikeS |
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| 13:45:48 | Nico_P | wow these SIDs are tiny! |
| 13:46:05 | pondlife | Nico_P: |
| 13:46:17 | pondlife | Could it be that playback.c line 2059 |
| 13:46:44 | pondlife | should be based on CUR_TI, not curtrack_id3? |
| 13:47:13 | pondlife | This is being executed with a null-filled curtrack_id3 |
| 13:48:05 | Nico_P | how come it's null-filled? |
| 13:48:21 | pondlife | Timing I guess. What sets up curtrack_id3? |
| 13:48:37 | Nico_P | audio_check_new_track |
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| 13:48:42 | Nico_P | but audio_rebuffer clears it |
| 13:49:44 | Nico_P | hmm no I'm sorry the setting up was moved to audio_update_trackinfo |
| 13:50:02 | Nico_P | which is called by audio_check_new_track |
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| 13:53:14 | preglow | Nico_P: yeah, stuff like sid is the big winner with MoB |
| 13:53:38 | Nico_P | well I'm seeing the 128 limit is probably a bit tight... but it can be upped at almost no cost |
| 13:53:42 | preglow | Nico_P: i buffered 128 spcs yesterday, buffer wasn't even quarter full |
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| 13:53:55 | preglow | Nico_P: yeah, but we shouldn't overdo it either, buffering all these tiny files does take time |
| 13:53:59 | Nico_P | I have 119 sids and its almost empty |
| 13:54:06 | preglow | Nico_P: and that's annoying when all you want to do is listen to one of them from the file browser |
| 13:54:15 | Nico_P | preglow: true |
| 13:54:34 | Nico_P | pondlife: I just got the segfault on my gigabeat sim |
| 13:54:36 | preglow | Nico_P: then again, that can be fixed by optimizing metadata parsers, i guess |
| 13:54:45 | Nico_P | I need to go to class though |
| 13:54:53 | preglow | i suspect those are the ones who take the most time in buffering |
| 13:55:00 | Nico_P | preglow: probably, yes |
| 13:55:16 | Nico_P | buffering such a tiny amount of data should be quite fats |
| 13:55:20 | Nico_P | fast |
| 13:55:39 | pondlife | OK... looks like a race condition on curtrack_id3... |
| 13:56:39 | Nico_P | pondlife: I'm surprised the codec needs to be loaded from disk though |
| 13:56:43 | preglow | Nico_P: but it won't be if the metadata parser seeks around too much |
| 13:57:08 | pondlife | Nico_P: It should be loaded, it's playing SIDs at the time |
| 13:57:21 | Nico_P | that's why I'm surprised |
| 13:57:33 | pondlife | Need to keep digging I suspect |
| 13:57:57 | Nico_P | I'm afraid I won't have much time today |
| 13:58:05 | pondlife | No rush |
| 13:58:31 | Nico_P | pondlife: if you find a fix, don't hesitate to commit ;) |
| 13:58:56 | pondlife | Well I have a sticking plaster, but I won't commit that :) |
| 13:59:04 | pondlife | Need to work out what's actually going on |
| 13:59:12 | pondlife | I doubt I'll have time either |
| 13:59:40 | Nico_P | I agree, committing the workaround isn't the right thing to do |
| 13:59:48 | * | Nico_P is off now, already late :p |
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| 14:17:10 | preglow | hmm, when i sync some source files to their original source, and they upgrade/change their license, i should do so on the local modified copy as well? |
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| 14:26:53 | J3TC- | So the 100% completed patches are already commited to the svn? |
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| 14:28:45 | whazilla | hellow all |
| 14:29:04 | whazilla | can i run rockbox and ipodlinux with apple firmware all happy net to eatch other ? |
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| 14:30:07 | whazilla | allso i got an ipod with serial number mB145ZD/a ipod classic silver 160gb |
| 14:30:28 | n1s | whazilla: rockbox won't work on the classic |
| 14:30:34 | n1s | neither will ipodlinux |
| 14:30:52 | whazilla | euhm ? i thought it just ran on classic o_0 |
| 14:31:20 | whazilla | what would happen when i try to install it ? |
| 14:31:27 | whazilla | i got a garantee right ? |
| 14:31:44 | n1s | whazilla: if you check the frontpage it states explicitly that it doesn't work on classic |
| 14:31:58 | whazilla | so nothing works for classic yet ? |
| 14:32:15 | n1s | whazilla: our patcher would refuse to patch it because it will not recognize the device |
| 14:32:31 | preglow | there's no point in trying, there's not a chance it hell it'll work |
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| 14:36:32 | whazilla | k thkx |
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| 14:36:58 | whazilla | i will get back in about a year ... lets hope its patched by then |
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| 14:37:24 | whazilla | just a shame i have to upload every song to itunes before i can put it on my classic |
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| 14:50:37 | LinusN | well, what the heck? why don't we all sit down and wait for things to happen? |
| 14:51:11 | preglow | markun: around? |
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| 15:02:07 | pondlife | LinusN: I sat around and waited for Nico_P to do MoB... ;) |
| 15:02:54 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:03:14 | LinusN | that proves that the concept works! ;-) |
| 15:03:23 | pondlife | Exactly |
| 15:03:35 | pondlife | So, shall I start believing in the Classic port? |
| 15:04:07 | LinusN | just wait and see :-D |
| 15:04:31 | * | petur wonders what happened to the crypto guy that wanted a flash dump |
| 15:04:45 | LinusN | Zune Linux will be created in exactly the same manner |
| 15:05:32 | pondlife | Hah, now you're stretching it |
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| 15:11:47 | pondlife | Hmm, why would my sim keep locking in a loop outputting "We open the real file '/.rockbox/database_4.tcd" repeatedly |
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| 15:31:16 | markun | preglow: yes |
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| 15:35:35 | markun | hi jac0b-work, I also have a 1200mAh battery now |
| 15:35:52 | jac0b-work | very cool, how is it working for you |
| 15:36:30 | markun | it's working well I think, but I had to do quite some bending to get the cross working |
| 15:36:49 | markun | I didn't do any soldering but just replaced the connector |
| 15:38:14 | linuxstb | markun: You're talking about replacing the battery in a Gigabeat F? |
| 15:39:05 | markun | yes |
| 15:40:08 | markun | I edited the forum thread post, but that didn't move the thread up in the list for some reason |
| 15:40:13 | jac0b-work | did anyone test the S series |
| 15:40:42 | markun | jac0b-work: toffe just tested the original F battery in the S, that worked |
| 15:41:03 | jac0b-work | what about a iPod battery in the S |
| 15:41:17 | markun | he doesn't have such a battery yet |
| 15:41:43 | markun | linuxstb: do you have a S? |
| 15:42:06 | linuxstb | markun: In theory... I need to collect it from GodEater. |
| 15:42:13 | jac0b-work | crap if I knew that I would have sent him the trash iPod batteries I had but I threw them away |
| 15:43:12 | amiconn | hi linuxstb |
| 15:43:22 | linuxstb | amiconn: Hi. |
| 15:43:49 | amiconn | I tried a binsearch in the spot we talked about yesterday. |
| 15:44:03 | amiconn | It worked, but was actually slower than the linear search :( |
| 15:44:04 | linuxstb | Did it make any difference? |
| 15:44:15 | linuxstb | ;) I guess you can remove that comment then... |
| 15:44:21 | jac0b-work | i just wanted to come on to see how the MOB is going for everyone |
| 15:44:36 | amiconn | But reading a bit further, I found a mail regarding the initial commit of ape support to ffmpeg based on libdemac |
| 15:44:41 | jhMikeS | hashtable? |
| 15:45:14 | amiconn | They say that they included it as-is as far as possible, so that it includes another range decoder etc |
| 15:45:38 | linuxstb | Yes, I remember that thread. |
| 15:45:38 | amiconn | That implies ffmpeg has another range decoder - and that one looks like it doesn't use division |
| 15:46:21 | * | jhMikeS is curious where this search code is located exactly |
| 15:46:35 | linuxstb | apps/codecs/demac/libdemac/entropy.c |
| 15:47:29 | linuxstb | amiconn: Did you see any comments in that thread about how suitable the ffmpeg range decoder would be? |
| 15:47:59 | amiconn | no |
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| 15:56:32 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The array being searched is quite small - just 65 elements |
| 15:56:35 | linuxstb | amiconn: Are you intending to look at it? If not, then I'll try to. |
| 15:58:19 | jhMikeS | yes. is that done on each sample though? I don't know this codec yet. |
| 15:59:21 | jhMikeS | how many loops on average does it do? |
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| 16:03:39 | amiconn | linuxstb: It would be nice if you could have a look. I intend to go back to lcd stuff, starting with a little broadcom hacking session... |
| 16:04:03 | * | amiconn has several ideas how to speed up things for the G5 lcd |
| 16:04:16 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Yes, it seems to be for each sample... |
| 16:05:07 | markun | preglow: but I have to go now. Will check the logs later. |
| 16:05:35 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK, I'll try and have a look. |
| 16:06:21 | linuxstb | amiconn: What needs doing for the ipod Color's LCD? I got a big speedup with that change barrywardell suggested, but you said it was out of spec. Do you know yet how to do it within spec? |
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| 16:07:01 | amiconn | No, but barry built a whole list with various test results |
| 16:07:22 | amiconn | Still, this list doesn't give all the details. I'll do more experiments on my small H10 |
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| 16:09:46 | preglow | markun: have you checked out the .text stuff for tremor arm imdct asm on gigabeat? i'd like to close that bug |
| 16:10:55 | preglow | linuxstb: i've done a quick overview on mallocs in codecs, faad and tremor are the big offenders |
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| 16:11:11 | preglow | linuxstb: in addition, ape.c uses one for its seek table. can that be made static? |
| 16:11:22 | preglow | linuxstb: also, libm4a does mallocs, can those be removed easily? |
| 16:11:53 | linuxstb | Probably best to ask Lear about libm4a now - he's worked on it a lot. IIRC, it only used to perform one malloc - for the seektable. |
| 16:12:28 | linuxstb | Maybe for seektables, we should use the remaining RAM in the main codec buffer. I'm not sure if there's a function to get that RAM though... |
| 16:12:33 | linuxstb | (similar to plugins) |
| 16:12:50 | linuxstb | In fact, MoB could maybe help us there... |
| 16:12:59 | * | linuxstb looks towards NicoP |
| 16:14:07 | Nico_P | yes? |
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| 16:14:51 | Nico_P | when is the seektable read? |
| 16:15:17 | Nico_P | also, does anyone know the SID codec? |
| 16:15:35 | Nico_P | mine is in an endless loop right now |
| 16:15:38 | linuxstb | At the moment, it's normally read by the codec itself when it starts to decode the file. |
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| 16:16:07 | Nico_P | linuxstb: hmm, not good. would it be possible to move that to the metadata parser? |
| 16:16:11 | linuxstb | But I think it could be added to get_metadata() quite easily. |
| 16:16:31 | Nico_P | then it would be quite easy to get it stored by MoB |
| 16:16:43 | Nico_P | but it might move though... would that be a problem? |
| 16:17:14 | linuxstb | It depends when it moves... |
| 16:17:17 | Nico_P | otherwise it could be made unmovable, but that's not really optimal |
| 16:17:27 | linuxstb | i.e. if it moves during the seek operation, that would be bad... |
| 16:18:00 | preglow | hahaha |
| 16:18:25 | Nico_P | that can be prevented |
| 16:19:52 | Nico_P | hmm there's no maintainer for SID... who wrote it? |
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| 16:22:13 | kugel | Has UTF-8 any drawback compared to the other encoders available for the text viewer? |
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| 16:24:27 | roolku | Nico_P: sids play forever if this is what you mean by endless loop |
| 16:24:58 | Nico_P | hehe, no. I was looping in cpuJSR |
| 16:25:03 | Nico_P | never getting out of it |
| 16:25:29 | pondlife | roolku: So an individual SID track never ends? |
| 16:25:43 | roolku | pondlife: unfortunately no |
| 16:25:50 | pondlife | Wacky! |
| 16:26:02 | roolku | pondlife: it is even worse, they can contain subtracks |
| 16:26:03 | Nico_P | pondlife: there's no time displayed in the WPS |
| 16:26:13 | LinusN | pondlife: that's how sid tunes work |
| 16:26:29 | Nico_P | this means you can have pretty much unlimited music in the buffer! |
| 16:26:39 | Nico_P | 128 different endless tracks |
| 16:26:57 | pondlife | One would last the same amount of time then... |
| 16:27:00 | pondlife | :) |
| 16:27:51 | * | kugel hopes that someone noticed his question |
| 16:27:53 | petur | 128 will last less long as it needs more time to load so more battery used :P |
| 16:28:16 | pondlife | It does seem that switching from SID to any other codec crashes the sim |
| 16:28:30 | pondlife | This is with default settings too. |
| 16:28:44 | Nico_P | pondlife: indeed. SID looks very buggy with mob. endless loops, segfaults in the codec |
| 16:28:52 | Nico_P | segfaults loading the codec |
| 16:29:54 | roolku | there was a recent change by brandon low to sid - could this be the cause? |
| 16:30:46 | preglow | linuxstb: wasn't libogg2 supposed to eliminate mallocs? |
| 16:31:20 | pondlife | SID -> WMA locks up with no segfault :/ |
| 16:31:54 | pondlife | Ah, it doesn't lock completely, it just gets stuck in a (No file) state. |
| 16:32:13 | roolku | Nico_P: it struck me as odd that read_filebuf() can deliver the whole sid as a single chunk always, but I never followed it up |
| 16:32:18 | LinusN | isn't codec switching in general shaky? |
| 16:32:52 | Nico_P | roolku: what do you mean? |
| 16:33:27 | roolku | Nico_P: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/codecs/sid.c?r1=15302&r2=15303 |
| 16:34:12 | linuxstb | preglow: I don't know... I once started my own Ogg parser, but never finished it. |
| 16:34:52 | roolku | Nico_P: is this guaranteed to work? even if not fully buffered or at the end of the (ring-) buffer? |
| 16:35:17 | Nico_P | roolku: It should be read_filebuf will block until all data is available |
| 16:35:36 | roolku | okay, fair enough |
| 16:35:47 | Nico_P | but maybe there's a problem there |
| 16:36:03 | pondlife | An easy test to revert that and see if it changes behaviour. |
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| 16:37:10 | linuxstb | Hmm, it seems that the codec_get_memory() function returns the malloc buffer, rather than returning the unused space in the codec buffer (the equivalent to plugin_get_buffer()) |
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| 16:41:44 | boyko | Is it correct that there are some playback issues in RB after committing the MOB code so that I should wait with updating? |
| 16:42:57 | LinusN | boyko: either wait, or update and help us find the bugs |
| 16:43:03 | roolku | boyko: I think the official line is you should update and help with testing and bug fixing. :) |
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| 16:44:23 | Nico_P | hmm changing from SID to MP3 just worked fine when stepping through the transition. I smell a race condition |
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| 16:50:04 | boyko | LinusN, roolku: yes, that's the best for RB, I know :-) |
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| 17:18:37 | TentaclePorn | Hi there ;] |
| 17:19:13 | TentaclePorn | I've been looking around and I'm having trouble finding a program to resize .mpgs for my iriver. Anyone able to help? |
| 17:20:10 | pondlife | WinFF, as mentioned on the wiki? |
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| 17:21:28 | TentaclePorn | Wiki hasn't been loading, I just get cannot connect to server. But then again, I've been getting them on a lot of sites lately, probably my connection. Thanks for that pondlife |
| 17:24:34 | bluebrother | TentaclePorn: you might want to try googles cache ;-) |
| 17:25:00 | TentaclePorn | Thanks for the tip bluebrother! |
| 17:30:55 | Nico_P | pondlife: you're flooding the tracker! :p |
| 17:31:07 | pondlife | Sorry :/ |
| 17:31:25 | pondlife | Not all MoB issues, though |
| 17:31:37 | bluebrother | Nico_P: afraid of all the MoB issues coming up? ;-) |
| 17:31:40 | Nico_P | hehe, no worry. better to know the bugs |
| 17:31:46 | Nico_P | bluebrother: a bit :) |
| 17:31:46 | bluebrother | indeed. |
| 17:32:10 | bluebrother | we should think about another tracker cleanup week ;-) |
| 17:32:24 | pondlife | Give MoB a while to bed in first. |
| 17:32:53 | pondlife | LinusN deleted a wiki page! |
| 17:32:59 | bluebrother | sure. Maybe beginning of next year? |
| 17:33:17 | * | bluebrother would like to see a new release for CF targets some time |
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| 17:33:36 | pondlife | Hey, it's almost time for Fireworks + 1 |
| 17:33:57 | Nico_P | bluebrother, pondlife: we could have AA in the release! |
| 17:34:07 | bluebrother | hehe ... as mayday never happened fireworks sounds nice. |
| 17:34:18 | pondlife | Or maybe wait for Mayday + 2 |
| 17:34:43 | pondlife | AA must wait until the playback is perfect, surely ;) |
| 17:35:02 | bluebrother | "We waited two additional years for mayday −− it must be great!" |
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| 17:38:03 | pondlife | "My WPS just failed to switch tracks again" |
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| 17:52:32 | lostlogic | yay, certain parts of my large shuffled playlist refuse to load with MoB, let's sing the data abort song (and I hope Nico_P's plane is going somewhere where he'll be online) |
| 17:53:10 | TentaclePorn | What's MoB? |
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| 17:53:26 | lostlogic | bit metadata on buffer patch that was committed yesterday |
| 17:53:31 | lostlogic | big |
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| 17:54:35 | CiNc028 | anyone here that help me with an ipod problem? |
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| 17:56:10 | TiMiD[FD] | hello ! |
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| 17:56:58 | TiMiD[FD] | does someone knows how to commit only one file (and not the whole directory ) |
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| 17:57:38 | TiMiD[FD] | I've got a fix for a plugin but I don't want to commit stuff I'm still working on with other plugins |
| 17:57:53 | bluebrother | TiMiD[FD]: sure, just add the file(s) to commit as argument to svn |
| 17:58:03 | bluebrother | i.e. svn ci apps/plugins/foo.c |
| 17:58:15 | TiMiD[FD] | ok thanks |
| 17:58:25 | * | bluebrother does that all the time :) |
| 17:58:29 | J3TC- | Oh bluebrother :3 |
| 17:58:34 | J3TC- | Did you get my pm last time? |
| 17:58:45 | bluebrother | no |
| 17:58:51 | TiMiD[FD] | I found something like that on the net but I don't wanna screw up the repository :) |
| 17:58:54 | TiMiD[FD] | ok I do it ! |
| 17:58:55 | J3TC- | Ah ok |
| 17:59:03 | CiNc028 | i have an ipod photo that only has the apple logo when it starts and wont go no further. |
| 17:59:11 | TiMiD[FD] | get prepared for a red :) |
| 17:59:19 | CiNc028 | is there liek a utility that will help me to fix this? |
| 17:59:27 | bluebrother | you're not identified to nickserv so you can't pm me. Check the freenode website for details about that |
| 17:59:37 | bluebrother | CiNc028: Itunes has a restore thingy |
| 17:59:39 | J3TC- | Oh ok |
| 17:59:58 | J3TC- | Well, I just have a question with the sudoku patch you helped rasher fixed last year |
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| 18:00:04 | J3TC- | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5519?histring=sudoku |
| 18:00:05 | CiNc028 | oh word. |
| 18:00:08 | CiNc028 | let me try that |
| 18:00:49 | J3TC- | I got to sync it to the latest svn code and it works but still get the same warning on compile |
| 18:00:59 | | Part ToHellWithGA |
| 18:01:14 | CiNc028 | now it shows me the battery with a lightning bolt on the screen |
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| 18:01:29 | J3TC- | http://web.njit.edu/~jc242/rockbox/sudoku_20071023.patch |
| 18:01:43 | J3TC- | Here is the latest patch, the one in the flyspray, I didn't get to check it and that patch breaks |
| 18:02:22 | TiMiD[FD] | I've got some weird behaviours with the new buffering engine |
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| 18:02:57 | TiMiD[FD] | hope it'll be easier to maintain than the previous one |
| 18:03:45 | TiMiD[FD] | also does someone here owns an h1x0 ? |
| 18:04:08 | TiMiD[FD] | with the latest build it crashes when loading japanese language |
| 18:04:35 | bluebrother | TiMiD[FD]: me, but I never use japanese −− I don't understand a single character of that language ;-) |
| 18:04:48 | donutman25 | does anyone here know how to restart the samsa e200 from within rockbox without pressing the power button? |
| 18:04:55 | TiMiD[FD] | oh |
| 18:05:01 | TiMiD[FD] | could you test ? |
| 18:05:06 | krazykit | donutman25, through the debug menu, i think |
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| 18:05:17 | TiMiD[FD] | (try not to get lost in the menus !) |
| 18:05:21 | bluebrother | TiMiD[FD]: switching to japanese? |
| 18:05:30 | TiMiD[FD] | just go to languages and select jp |
| 18:05:32 | donutman25 | ok thanks |
| 18:05:43 | TiMiD[FD] | on my iriver it directly crash |
| 18:05:49 | TiMiD[FD] | prepare a sharp pen :) |
| 18:06:12 | bluebrother | I guess I'll need to backup the player first then :) |
| 18:06:20 | * | bluebrother searches for cable |
| 18:06:20 | TiMiD[FD] | chinese works fine though |
| 18:06:30 | TiMiD[FD] | hmm no need |
| 18:06:45 | TiMiD[FD] | it hangs but doesn't format the hdd |
| 18:07:07 | TiMiD[FD] | fortunately |
| 18:07:17 | kugel | Has UTF-8 any drawback compared to the other encoders available for the text viewer? |
| 18:07:46 | bluebrother | drawbacks by what means? |
| 18:07:52 | TiMiD[FD] | I get I05:Div0 .. maybe a proble with the file |
| 18:08:00 | bluebrother | it's just an encoding for text |
| 18:08:04 | TiMiD[FD] | kugel: depends of what you're doing |
| 18:08:25 | donutman25 | krazykit: i cant find the option in the debug menu |
| 18:08:38 | TiMiD[FD] | in 99% of the cases it only have advantages |
| 18:08:56 | kugel | So, why isn't it the default encoder? |
| 18:09:18 | TiMiD[FD] | because ... I don't know :) |
| 18:09:19 | bluebrother | it's not an encoder ... |
| 18:09:21 | scorche|w | it sint an encoder...it is an encoding...big difference |
| 18:09:36 | TiMiD[FD] | the drawbacks are speed (it's slower on string operations) |
| 18:09:39 | kugel | I'm just saying encoder, I know that it isn't actually an encoder |
| 18:09:53 | TiMiD[FD] | and some problems with crappy applications |
| 18:09:56 | scorche|w | if you know it isnt, then why say it? |
| 18:09:58 | TiMiD[FD] | like outlook |
| 18:10:03 | scorche|w | using the wrong term never ends well.. |
| 18:10:37 | TiMiD[FD] | japanese outlook fails miserably on utf8/utf7 encoded mails |
| 18:10:47 | kugel | I didn't know that "an encoding" is an appropriate term, I kinda wanted to abbreviate it |
| 18:10:52 | TiMiD[FD] | obliged to use euc-jp in that case |
| 18:11:09 | TiMiD[FD] | anyway |
| 18:11:26 | scorche|w | a quick search for "UTF-8" would have granted you the correct term, and likely the answer to your question too |
| 18:11:56 | kugel | from what I've noticed UTF-8 is the only encoding that displays the characters of the defaul rockbox keyboard well |
| 18:12:37 | kugel | searching for UTF-8 wouldn't have answered why it isn't the default encoding in rockbox |
| 18:13:18 | bluebrother | as long as your text only contains ASCII characters there is no difference between ASCII and utf-8 |
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| 18:13:42 | scorche|w | it likely isnt to preserve compatibility with more applications |
| 18:13:49 | scorche|w | (just a guess though) |
| 18:14:19 | krazykit | donutman25, it appears i was wrong. i would have sworn there was an option to reset |
| 18:14:19 | roolku | kugel: I guess there are still more text files that are not in UTF-8 than there are that are in UTF-8? |
| 18:14:31 | kugel | The line doesn't wrap properly with the default encoding on my sansa |
| 18:14:49 | scorche|w | and it may have not been able to answer that question, but searching would have answered the others... |
| 18:14:54 | kugel | lines |
| 18:15:04 | bluebrother | TiMiD[FD]: I didn't get a crash when selecting japanese |
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| 18:15:30 | bluebrother | with current svn −− it just worked |
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| 18:16:29 | kugel | scorche|w: I did read the wikipedia article, and it looked like it has only advantages, but I asked here, because I thought that there might a special reason for rockbox not to use UTF-8 as default encoding |
| 18:17:34 | bluebrother | utf-8 is a multibyte charset. It makes handling more complex |
| 18:18:08 | TiMiD[FD] | bluebrother: ok then it's a problem with my install .... |
| 18:19:34 | TiMiD[FD] | kugel: rockbox internally use unicode ... |
| 18:20:06 | TiMiD[FD] | for id3tags it is be set to another encoding |
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| 18:20:34 | TiMiD[FD] | since a few people have a music collection with unicode tags |
| 18:21:12 | TiMiD[FD] | for id3v2 it shouldn't really matter since afaik the encoding is stored in the tags |
| 18:21:52 | scorche|w | if you read the wikipedia page, why did you say "encoder" when it uses the correct term in the first line then? |
| 18:23:46 | bluebrother | vorbis comments are always utf-8 |
| 18:23:59 | kugel | scorche|w: Because I read the German arctile |
| 18:24:06 | bluebrother | while id3v1 doesn't indicate the used encoding −− it can be about any encoding |
| 18:24:08 | rasher | Doesn't ID3 have a way of setting encoding for frames? |
| 18:24:33 | bluebrother | id3v2 has a way to identify if the tag is utf-8 or not IIRC. |
| 18:25:22 | rasher | Yeah, should have specified v2. It's been a while since I looked at it. |
| 18:26:29 | rasher | Hrm, might generic tagging be useful in the tracker? |
| 18:27:25 | bluebrother | generic tagging? |
| 18:27:49 | rasher | Yeah, for example we could tag new bugs MoB and quickly bring up MoB related bugs |
| 18:28:00 | rasher | Without having to add more categories |
| 18:28:14 | bluebrother | ah. Might get messy thoug. |
| 18:28:32 | rasher | In which way? |
| 18:28:41 | bluebrother | at least if "general" users could add new tags that way. |
| 18:28:55 | scorche|w | large potential for abuse and misinformation |
| 18:28:58 | rasher | Yeah, I don't think we'd want that. Only devs |
| 18:29:07 | bluebrother | like, having "MoB" and "MOB" as tag, and possibly someone misspelles it as "MOG" or ruch. |
| 18:29:11 | bluebrother | *such |
| 18:29:26 | bluebrother | but if that was restricted to devs I don't see a strong reason against it. |
| 18:29:42 | scorche|w | and users arent the best at knowing where a problem lies |
| 18:30:01 | rasher | Don't know if it's useful enough to bother doing it though |
| 18:30:11 | pondlife | I'd think that Music Playback would be a good enough search for MoB fixing... |
| 18:30:29 | pondlife | The idea is that we can now attack older bugs with some confidence. |
| 18:30:38 | pondlife | Not just new ones :) |
| 18:30:53 | rasher | Well, it's not like MoB is the only tag allowed |
| 18:31:01 | bluebrother | most users would also not want to know that much technical details like "MoB" |
| 18:31:31 | rasher | bluebrother: the tags could even be hidden, I guess, or in another tab (just like the task history, etc.) |
| 18:31:45 | bluebrother | yep, that could work. |
| 18:32:09 | rasher | Think I'll have a go at it. If nothing else, perhaps mainline FlySpray would be interested in it |
| 18:32:39 | rasher | Do you know if the rockbox flyspray is heavily patched? |
| 18:33:02 | bluebrother | I know it's patched, but I have no idea how much |
| 18:33:08 | CiNc028 | my ipod wont get past the apple logo. in dark:( |
| 18:35:47 | TiMiD[FD] | what does MoB stands for ? |
| 18:36:18 | bluebrother | Metadata on Buffer |
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| 18:38:43 | TiMiD[FD] | ok |
| 18:39:38 | TiMiD[FD] | I noticed some bugs here after updating |
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| 18:40:19 | TiMiD[FD] | but I'll reset settings before calling them bugs |
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| 18:42:51 | BlindBricks | Hi guys |
| 18:43:21 | BlindBricks | So I have a question |
| 18:43:37 | bluebrother | this happens sometimes. |
| 18:43:51 | BlindBricks | You know the rockbox image when I pit on my player |
| 18:43:55 | BlindBricks | can that be changed? |
| 18:44:04 | BlindBricks | Or is it part of an unsupported build? |
| 18:44:16 | BlindBricks | Or simply a .bmp which I could not find |
| 18:44:17 | bluebrother | you mean the logo? Not without recompiling |
| 18:44:19 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Can I bring http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8030 to your attention? |
| 18:44:33 | BlindBricks | I see |
| 18:44:36 | pondlife | Might indicate a sim threading problem.. |
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| 18:44:54 | BlindBricks | So not simple without some programming knowledge |
| 18:45:10 | * | bluebrother doesn't see a good reason why to change the logo −− it's Rockbox at least |
| 18:45:23 | bluebrother | you need to replace a bmp file and recompile |
| 18:45:31 | bluebrother | but you need how to compile −− or learn it. |
| 18:45:35 | BlindBricks | Ah |
| 18:45:37 | BlindBricks | Right |
| 18:45:38 | zardos | hi! can some one here tell me how i whould go about compiling the doom "folder" separate? so i dont need to recompile the whole build if i make some small changes in Doom? |
| 18:45:57 | BlindBricks | Well its just the logo looks sorta ugly sometimes |
| 18:46:05 | bluebrother | zardos: make only rebuilds the files that have actually changed. |
| 18:46:14 | bluebrother | but IIRC there is "make plugins" |
| 18:46:17 | toffe82 | zagor , for the log, the usb chip on the S is the isp1504 from NXP (Philips) what do you need to know or do you want to make some test ? |
| 18:46:19 | BlindBricks | Especially the way it is not centered |
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| 18:46:57 | * | BlindBricks looks into compiling |
| 18:47:02 | bluebrother | you don't see it when operating the player. |
| 18:47:19 | bluebrother | and the same applies to other bootup logos like the OF usually have |
| 18:47:45 | BlindBricks | Thats true |
| 18:47:56 | zardos | humm, ok but lets say that i deletet all the old build files :) is it then possible to compile one doom tindo doom.rock? |
| 18:47:59 | J3TC- | Ok, let's see if I can do 17 patched build again |
| 18:48:00 | J3TC- | :3 |
| 18:48:16 | BlindBricks | I also need to look into how to easily make some playlists |
| 18:48:36 | bluebrother | zardos: you can disable the other plugins ... check SOURCES |
| 18:48:48 | bluebrother | BlindBricks: that is handled in the manual ... |
| 18:49:01 | BlindBricks | It is? |
| 18:49:09 | BlindBricks | How did I manage to overlook it |
| 18:49:15 | BlindBricks | I feel stupid now :) |
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| 18:49:46 | bertrik | toffe82: what do you mean by S? |
| 18:50:09 | toffe82 | bertrik: gigabeat S |
| 18:50:44 | toffe82 | bertrik: are you working on the usb too ? |
| 18:51:16 | BlindBricks | I wish someone would fix the way the ipod boots into disk mode when it connects to the PC |
| 18:51:19 | BlindBricks | Makes it look bricked |
| 18:51:40 | bluebrother | the way the Ipod boots? |
| 18:51:40 | bertrik | toffe82: no, not really, just interested, but I plan to help coding/debugging more actively |
| 18:52:10 | J3TC- | iAudio X5 |
| 18:52:10 | J3TC- | broken? |
| 18:52:12 | J3TC- | Lol |
| 18:52:19 | BlindBricks | I mean when you connect the ipod to the usb slot to charge or update |
| 18:52:30 | J3TC- | I thought it was the patches I was applying but yeah it's not :3 |
| 18:52:34 | bluebrother | and what's wrong with that? |
| 18:52:35 | toffe82 | bertrik: the linux driver for this chip exist, I don't know if it can help |
| 18:52:38 | BlindBricks | it goes into monochromatic do no disconnect screen |
| 18:52:47 | BlindBricks | And it looks horribl e:) |
| 18:52:57 | bertrik | but i am familiar with some USB device controllers and I wrote implementations of USB MSC and virtual com port |
| 18:52:59 | krazykit | BlindBricks, that's desired behavior. if you don't like how it looks, flip the device over |
| 18:53:00 | bluebrother | my Ipod is always greyscale ... |
| 18:53:46 | BlindBricks | I'm just being picky I suppose |
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| 18:54:15 | bluebrother | that's not uncommon for Ipod users *g* |
| 18:54:32 | BlindBricks | Hehe |
| 18:54:51 | BlindBricks | But Rockbox looks SO much better than the original firmware for the ipods |
| 18:55:59 | petur | sure is surprising with a nick like yours :p |
| 18:56:46 | BlindBricks | ? |
| 18:57:16 | CiNc028 | man i miss my rockbox:( |
| 18:57:20 | petur | it looks better but you call yourself blind? |
| 18:57:30 | CiNc028 | friggin ipod is hung on the apple logo. darnit |
| 18:57:33 | BlindBricks | Ah |
| 18:57:39 | petur | nm - too many beers ;) |
| 18:57:51 | BlindBricks | I can't be bothered getting into the technical stuff on that |
| 18:57:55 | desowin | CiNc028: tried rebooting? select+play for few seconds |
| 18:57:58 | BlindBricks | Beers being 15 that would be a bad thing |
| 18:58:03 | CiNc028 | yeah |
| 18:58:25 | CiNc028 | i mean yes. but the only time it does somethign is when i press menu + select |
| 18:58:34 | desowin | and? did it reboot and hang again at the logo? |
| 18:58:49 | CiNc028 | yes it does |
| 18:59:10 | desowin | so as soon as it reboots, press select+pause |
| 18:59:24 | CiNc028 | ok let me try . |
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| 18:59:54 | CiNc028 | nothin |
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| 19:00:02 | BlindBricks | Mabye a reinstall |
| 19:00:04 | BlindBricks | :| |
| 19:00:15 | BlindBricks | Or simply a battery recharge |
| 19:00:25 | BlindBricks | did you try again with a full battery? |
| 19:00:45 | CiNc028 | well i connect the usb cord to my pc but it dont show me if its charging |
| 19:01:03 | CiNc028 | or should i just connect it and just leave it there. and try later? |
| 19:01:28 | BlindBricks | click the hold stwich on off |
| 19:01:55 | CiNc028 | did that and nothing happens |
| 19:02:43 | BlindBricks | does it appaer in itunes? |
| 19:02:48 | CiNc028 | nope |
| 19:03:09 | BlindBricks | Well leave it charging for at least 30 mins |
| 19:03:13 | BlindBricks | then try again later |
| 19:03:20 | CiNc028 | i guess so . |
| 19:03:41 | CiNc028 | i love this ipod ever since i foudn out about rockbox. |
| 19:04:23 | CiNc028 | this all started when i updated the FW and it asked me for a wall charger but i dont have one. |
| 19:05:18 | BlindBricks | Ohhh |
| 19:05:20 | desowin | you should conect it to computer |
| 19:05:24 | BlindBricks | He has |
| 19:05:34 | BlindBricks | So you went into the test screen |
| 19:05:45 | BlindBricks | and now its asking for the firewire port |
| 19:05:48 | jhMikeS | pondlife: yes, you may :) |
| 19:05:56 | BlindBricks | Or mabye I misread |
| 19:06:14 | pondlife | Seems to be the sim isn't quite threading right, or at least not checking for button presses. |
| 19:06:36 | CiNc028 | well this is what i did specifically. i connect the ipod to itunes. did an update. but i dont have a wall charger so when it showed the wall charger icon on ipod screen i t went down hill form there |
| 19:06:36 | pondlife | I don't pretend to understand that stuff.. :) |
| 19:06:55 | pondlife | But it ought not to lock up, and should be as close to the target as possble. |
| 19:06:59 | jhMikeS | pondlife: the queue functions should behave the same way |
| 19:07:24 | pondlife | TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK is not stopping when a key is pressed, apparently. |
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| 19:08:14 | jhMikeS | timeout noblock means queue_wait_w_tmo is called with 0. lemme look. |
| 19:08:42 | pondlife | Easy to repro, just go into the database debug screen |
| 19:10:01 | jhMikeS | is there a yield in the debug screen. noblock literally doesn't yield at all. |
| 19:10:13 | pondlife | It uses the simple list |
| 19:10:25 | pondlife | On target, something yields though. |
| 19:10:32 | pondlife | On sim, no escape! |
| 19:10:49 | jhMikeS | there is a difference. the button driver cannot post unless a thread yields. no way around this really. |
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| 19:11:10 | zardos | is there a way to speedup compiling? maybeby using Visual Studo or something? or a simmuler one for linux? now am using Cygwin and it is sloooow :/ |
| 19:11:13 | jhMikeS | since the sim doesn't have true interrupts |
| 19:11:16 | pondlife | So there's an extra mechanism on target to interrupt |
| 19:11:28 | jhMikeS | yes, interrupts :) |
| 19:11:29 | pondlife | Of course... pity we can't simulate those |
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| 19:12:00 | jhMikeS | I was thinking about a way...needs more mutexes however to simulate an irq level |
| 19:12:08 | n1s | zardos: we have a preconfigured linux VM that is a lot fater |
| 19:12:33 | jhMikeS | I'd just throw a yield in for the sim atm to make sure the button thread can post messages |
| 19:13:10 | pondlife | Will do |
| 19:13:47 | zardos | n1s: cool, but whould it help just to switch to anny linux and install a c compiler? |
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| 19:14:18 | n1s | zardos: yes native linux is fast too |
| 19:14:40 | krazykit | zardos, you're not switching to linux completely, the premade virtual machine has the entire build environment set up for you. |
| 19:16:09 | CiNc028 | excuse me. desowin... what does the icon of a battery with a thunderbolt on it mean? |
| 19:16:19 | pondlife | Charging, normally |
| 19:16:39 | CiNc028 | oh okay well i connect my ipdo to my pc and nwo it shows that icon |
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| 19:16:58 | desowin | that you have drained battery, it'll take some time until it'll get into normal charging state |
| 19:17:24 | CiNc028 | damn it went away and now the apple logo is back on the screen |
| 19:17:50 | desowin | keep it connected, to be sure battery is charged |
| 19:17:56 | CiNc028 | ok |
| 19:18:07 | CiNc028 | im on ebay righ tnow just in case. |
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| 19:18:40 | amiconn | Meh, missed TiMiD (da metronome breaka) |
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| 19:19:05 | lostlogic | who's got an ear to the ground on any issues that have cropped up sine MoB commit? Have users reported the Data aborts that I've been seeing? |
| 19:19:13 | Llorean | Not in the forums. |
| 19:19:20 | CiNc028 | i have itunes open on my pc. and it didnt recognize it |
| 19:19:25 | Llorean | Pretty much the only reports are within the last few entries on Flyspray |
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| 19:22:00 | desowin | CiNc028: calm down, keep it connected for hour and then try doing other things (it may be drained battery) like getting into ipod diagnostics to see if everything is okay |
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| 19:23:07 | jhMikeS | pondlife: ok, you got me. shouldn't take much time to implement a realistic set_irq_level for sim. |
| 19:25:08 | CiNc028 | okay. desowin. |
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| 19:34:26 | lostlogic | Llorean: one of the bugs is a data abort ;) |
| 19:35:30 | Llorean | lostlogic: Including a pretty wide range of memory addresses too, right? |
| 19:35:37 | Llorean | Well, not wide range, but large number |
| 19:35:42 | lostlogic | yeah, that's what I get, but I trigger it differently |
| 19:36:13 | Llorean | I ran into codec errors myself, but only when I started my player, resumed playback, and immediately went into the new debug screen. |
| 19:36:32 | Llorean | I haven't seen them at all yet in anything resembling "normal" conditions, but I'm a pretty mild user. |
| 19:36:37 | lostlogic | it's definitely performance sensitive, which makes it superfun to try and track down... |
| 19:36:50 | lostlogic | ie it happens more when I have priority scheduling off than when I have it on |
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| 19:37:26 | Llorean | Hmm... |
| 19:37:28 | lostlogic | part of the raeson taht the aborts happen at several addresses is that the aborts are actually symptoms of a problem that is created earlier |
| 19:37:36 | Llorean | Could it be trying to execute not fully loaded codecs? |
| 19:37:46 | lostlogic | ie the linked list gets corrupted and the next thing that tries to itterate it blows up |
| 19:38:10 | lostlogic | no, all of the aborts happen within buffering.c and in linked list code (at least all of the ones that I've mapped down to instructions so far) |
| 19:38:32 | Llorean | Ah, okay |
| 19:39:00 | Llorean | I haven't compared .map files yet, but the errors I was getting in the debug screen were flickering splashes that *seemed* to say it was failing to even open the .codec files |
| 19:39:45 | lostlogic | yeah, I've seen that as well, for now I'm betting it's part of the same problem until I'm proven wrong. |
| 19:40:18 | Llorean | Seems like a fair bet. |
| 19:40:41 | Llorean | If it's performance critical, could my use of a gigabeat be why I'm not seeing problems under casual playback? Plenty of elbow room? |
| 19:43:46 | lostlogic | Llorean: yes. |
| 19:43:52 | lostlogic | Llorean: probably why it's easy for my ipod video to trigger. |
| 19:44:20 | Llorean | The iPod video is pretty much the worst performing swcodec target. |
| 19:44:37 | Llorean | In terms of cpu elbow-room that is |
| 19:44:56 | lostlogic | yeah, until we can sort out some way to effectively make use of the COP for audio playback. |
| 19:45:10 | Llorean | Well now that dual core is steady and reliable, someone can start working on it. |
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| 19:53:20 | BigBambi | Llorean: I missed that start of your conversation, but if it related I got a codec error on the gigabeat just now by resuming, then in a second or two pressing skip to next track (this is MP3 to OGG). It then proceeded to start to go through every other track of my 700 track playlist to sy codec failure, and the only way I could stop it was the battery switch. |
| 19:54:34 | Llorean | BigBambi: Pretty much the problem I had, but I only managed to trigger it in the debug screen, which is why I hadn't filed a bug report yet. |
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| 19:54:57 | BigBambi | I'll pop op for this then as it is definately normal use |
| 19:55:20 | Llorean | Thanks |
| 19:58:10 | donutman25 | can someone please tell me what file(s) contain the instructions that are run when usb is plugged into a sansa e200? |
| 19:58:59 | BigBambi | Llorean: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8034 |
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| 20:02:56 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
| 20:03:02 | jhMikeS | Llorean: any race condition issues in playback must be sorted out first for that to work but then MoB+COP should make a fine race condition detector. :) |
| 20:03:26 | lostlogic | BigBambi: I've seen that behavior too −− seems that skipping forward before the next track's codec is loaded is the trigger there. |
| 20:03:33 | lostlogic | now Im' starting to think we have two separate problems. |
| 20:04:15 | BigBambi | lostlogic: Yes, I skipped very quickly, then when I tried it again a bit more slowly (nice accurate timings you note), it was OK |
| 20:04:27 | lostlogic | BigBambi: :) |
| 20:04:53 | BigBambi | I try to help :) |
| 20:05:35 | lostlogic | so that's probably caused by some assumption of the codec handle for the 'next track' being valid... ugh, need more brain cycles, should have started reading Nico's code sooner so I'd have a better understanding of where to look for these things. |
| 20:05:39 | jhMikeS | ugh...SDL sync primitives suck |
| 20:06:28 | BigBambi | lostlogic: At least you are able to understand it after reading it, I need to go and learn C first :) |
| 20:06:31 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I'm in no hurry, my current favorite target is single core anyway. :-P |
| 20:08:14 | mrkiko | Can someone help me getting the SIM audio working? |
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| 20:08:21 | jhMikeS | Llorean: but multicore programming is funner :) |
| 20:08:26 | mrkiko | The sym starts and from the debug logs I can see it loads my tracks |
| 20:08:45 | mrkiko | it starts them, analyze them and then pass to the next track after having displayed correct id3 info |
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| 20:09:58 | mrkiko | hi podfile! |
| 20:10:11 | bluebrother | podfile? ;-) |
| 20:10:23 | mrkiko | * :) pondlife |
| 20:10:28 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Just a hit and run here - if you do get sim irqs working you can surely revert my commit |
| 20:10:36 | pondlife | mrkiko: I quite like podfile |
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| 20:10:42 | pondlife | Anyway, gotta go |
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| 20:10:57 | lostlogic | aren't hit and runs illegal? |
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| 20:12:17 | jhMikeS | pondlife: :) I just suggested it to keep things operating arm. |
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| 20:19:19 | bluebrother | mrkiko: audio playback in the sim works fine for me. Skipping seems to be broken |
| 20:19:32 | bluebrother | but I'll try a clean build |
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| 20:21:02 | saratoga | jhMikeS: did you get that package? |
| 20:22:10 | jhMikeS | ah, yes. thanks much. |
| 20:22:20 | jhMikeS | everything works fine |
| 20:22:24 | bluebrother | hmm, now it works. |
| 20:23:35 | mrkiko | bluebrother: I was thinking I missed some libs |
| 20:23:42 | mrkiko | but I have all the needed libs and infact it compiles. |
| 20:23:45 | bluebrother | Nico_P: no idea if this is intended / known but the sim is kinda unresponsive while buffering |
| 20:23:58 | bluebrother | mrkiko: you're not trying an archos sim, don't you? |
| 20:24:07 | amiconn | Looks like the ipod OFs consist of modules compiled with different optimisation levels, or even different compilers |
| 20:24:34 | mrkiko | bluebrother: No, I'm using an H300 sim |
| 20:24:35 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Firewire card? |
| 20:25:14 | rasher | amiconn: binary pp sdk + apple code perhaps? |
| 20:26:20 | amiconn | Probably. Maybe even some more external blobs |
| 20:26:24 | mrkiko | bluebrother: I tried to compile it to have some way of debugging the FS #8003 problem |
| 20:26:36 | mrkiko | bluebrother: Im very annoied by that crash and so I'm trying to solve it |
| 20:26:44 | preglow | amiconn: did you ever submit that patch? |
| 20:26:54 | jhMikeS | amiconn: yes |
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| 20:27:27 | amiconn | preglow: no |
| 20:28:20 | preglow | amiconn: why not? |
| 20:28:34 | jhMikeS | saratoga: sorry for not mentioning sooner. I didn't see you around. Forgot to check today. :P |
| 20:29:34 | preglow | amiconn: btw, i expect apple use plenty of pre-compiled librarier supplied from other people |
| 20:29:39 | preglow | libraries |
| 20:30:26 | amiconn | Yes, sure precompiled |
| 20:30:50 | amiconn | The G5.5 firmware contains some setup code for the colour lcd bridge (which it does not use)... |
| 20:30:59 | preglow | hahahaha |
| 20:31:32 | amiconn | And the differing optimisation levels are what made me not find these accesses in the colour firmware - I now stumbled upon them while looking for broadcom stuff |
| 20:32:06 | amiconn | I expected to see either a constant like 0x70008a00 loaded with ldr, or some fancy orr'ing |
| 20:32:06 | preglow | but yeah, just getting object code is very common in that industry, it seems |
| 20:32:39 | amiconn | But the 0x70008axx addresses are accessed by loading 0x70008000 as the base, then using 0xa00 etc offsets |
| 20:34:10 | preglow | that's pretty common in retailos |
| 20:34:17 | preglow | and even the bootloader |
| 20:34:32 | amiconn | The broadcom has 3 bit addresses, which are mapped to PP address bits 16..18 |
| 20:35:32 | amiconn | lcd-video only uses bcm addresses 0, 1, 2 and 3. The OF also uses 4, 5, 6, 7 for something |
| 20:36:32 | amiconn | From one init it looks like 0 an 4, 1 and 5 etc are pairs with similar function. As the bcm product brief shows that it supports more than one display, I gues 4..7 are for a secondary display (tv out?) |
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| 20:36:48 | preglow | perhaps |
| 20:40:33 | CiNc028 | does the latest version of itunes compatible with older ipods? |
| 20:43:33 | saratoga | ask apple |
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| 20:52:44 | CiNc028 | has anyone ever tried to hook up a laptop HD to an ipod? |
| 20:54:07 | scorche|w | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ipod_Nano_200gb_Instructions |
| 20:58:21 | mrkiko | I was thinking to make a thing like this with my iRiver H340, but we can't speak about this here - off-topic. |
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| 20:58:45 | preglow | amiconn: but anyway, why not submit that patch? if we're not going to, we might as well just fix it ourselves and start distributing the patch to build servers |
| 20:58:59 | pongg | why there is no medium peak filters in the video ipod port's hardware eq.? |
| 20:59:12 | pongg | only low and high filters |
| 20:59:18 | preglow | pongg: because the doesn't seem to be any in the hardware |
| 20:59:26 | preglow | pongg: that screen is going to be removed and replaced by treble/bass controls |
| 20:59:29 | pongg | oh really? |
| 20:59:32 | preglow | pongg: yes |
| 20:59:33 | pongg | ahh nice |
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| 20:59:52 | preglow | the docs indicate there should be peaking filtesr too, but we can't make them work |
| 20:59:57 | pongg | how do you recommend me to adjust it? to use only hardware eq? only software? i dunno which is better |
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| 21:00:50 | preglow | pongg: depends on your needs, if you only need a bit more bass or treble, use the tone controls |
| 21:01:10 | preglow | i pretty much just recommend you play around with them and see which fits you best |
| 21:01:15 | preglow | the eq is by far the most advanced |
| 21:01:18 | amiconn | And the docs aren't for thatt exact chip used in the G5, but for a similar one |
| 21:01:23 | pongg | and another thing thats interesed me, if you're here and it seems like youre a part of the deveoplers |
| 21:01:44 | pongg | why isnt the "select brightness" feature into the official build? its in the non official ones for pretty long time |
| 21:01:44 | preglow | we're tons of developers in here |
| 21:01:56 | preglow | pongg: i'm not familiar with that feature |
| 21:02:23 | pongg | to save battery on video ipod. dunno why, but mine only lasts about 4 hours of playback |
| 21:02:28 | pongg | and with original OS like 12 |
| 21:02:28 | preglow | ahhhh |
| 21:02:31 | preglow | that one |
| 21:02:45 | preglow | i don't really know, is there a patch for it in the tracker? |
| 21:02:57 | preglow | brigthness control sounds like a good thing to me for sure |
| 21:02:57 | pongg | yeah its inside all non official builds |
| 21:03:05 | preglow | pongg: that doesn't mean there's a patch for it in our tracker |
| 21:03:11 | pongg | oh |
| 21:03:13 | preglow | pongg: if people never tell us about a patch, we won't notice it |
| 21:03:19 | preglow | pongg: we tend to use the official build, being developers |
| 21:03:37 | pongg | really? but its in the forums |
| 21:03:39 | preglow | pongg: but like i said, there might be a patch for it, i don't have an ipod video |
| 21:04:02 | lostlogic | pong: 4 hours is pretty low, I get at least double that with RB on my ipod G5 30g |
| 21:04:15 | scorche|w | not many devs read the forums |
| 21:04:17 | Cronoh | i have a 30g ipod video i just put rockbox on last ngith |
| 21:04:19 | pongg | check out senab's build it has some nice stuff |
| 21:04:21 | Cronoh | but havnt tested it, but i dont want to |
| 21:04:29 | pongg | like the "click" sounds of ipod |
| 21:04:33 | Cronoh | im going to make a hardwired PHP charger in my jeep, lol :D |
| 21:04:40 | Cronoh | lol |
| 21:04:42 | Cronoh | i dont mean php |
| 21:04:45 | Cronoh | ipod charger* |
| 21:04:49 | pongg | how can i "recommend" things to get into the official build? |
| 21:04:59 | preglow | pongg: by pestering developers |
| 21:05:03 | scorche|w | pongg: and devs dont have much reason to use an unsupported build, as they can just compile their own |
| 21:05:05 | Cronoh | anyone here good with electronics? |
| 21:05:07 | lostlogic | pongg: and making sure they are on the patch tracker :-P |
| 21:05:09 | preglow | pongg: and posting on the flyspray tracker entry |
| 21:05:25 | preglow | does senab have a homepage for this build? |
| 21:05:27 | scorche|w | Cronoh: does this have something to do with rockbox? |
| 21:05:30 | Llorean | preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5234?histring=Brightness |
| 21:05:30 | Cronoh | like, if i split this ipod usb cable in half can i gwet a positive/ground line from it, to hook up to my car battery |
| 21:05:30 | bluebrother | and make sure the patch follows the coding guidelines |
| 21:05:35 | Cronoh | sorta? |
| 21:05:41 | pongg | ok. i thought that the unofficial builds are used like for "beta testing" and ones theyre ok you get the patches to the official one |
| 21:05:41 | Llorean | preglow: One of the problems being that it doesn't cooperate well with plugins, still, last I heard. |
| 21:05:56 | scorche|w | didnt senab stop doing builds a while back? |
| 21:06:03 | preglow | ahhh |
| 21:06:14 | preglow | it uses manual backlight pwm |
| 21:06:19 | Llorean | pongg: Proper testing needs to be one patch at a time, because the patch needs to have individual bugs ironed out before it can go in. |
| 21:06:23 | Llorean | preglow: Yup |
| 21:06:29 | preglow | i don't know how big a fan i am of that scheme |
| 21:06:34 | scorche|w | Cronoh: you cant just do that...you need resistors, regulators, etc...but yes, this is offtopic here |
| 21:06:44 | preglow | i'm quite sure g5 has hardware support for dimming the light |
| 21:06:48 | preglow | we should rather find out how to do that |
| 21:07:10 | Llorean | preglow: I think that's what was said ages ago when the patch first showed up in the tracker. :) |
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| 21:07:19 | Cronoh | what can i use to take a 12v to 5v? |
| 21:07:32 | preglow | using backlight pwm fading for constant brightness is a bit ugly thanks to boosting |
| 21:07:37 | scorche|w | Cronoh: did you miss what i said about being offtopic here? |
| 21:07:39 | preglow | as i think this guy discovered |
| 21:07:50 | Llorean | Cronoh: This is #rockbox, that's really not related to Rockbox at all beyond "You're making hardware for a player that runs Rockbox". |
| 21:08:00 | Cronoh | ugh |
| 21:08:04 | preglow | pongg: so yeah, this is probably one of those cases were it isn't in official rockbox because it's not done in a way we like |
| 21:08:15 | pongg | so i can wait for ages |
| 21:08:22 | pongg | or just install an unofficial build; |
| 21:08:32 | preglow | that, or make your own build |
| 21:08:36 | scorche|w | or for someone (maybe you) to do it the right way |
| 21:08:38 | preglow | which isn't very hard at all |
| 21:08:58 | pongg | im actually a developer myself, but a .net developer |
| 21:09:07 | rasher | Is there a right way, for the ipods? |
| 21:09:07 | pongg | used to c++ 5 years ago |
| 21:09:14 | preglow | then you should have no trouble setting up a developer kit, heh |
| 21:09:24 | J3TC- | http://pastebin.ca/750754 |
| 21:09:25 | pongg | yer right |
| 21:09:27 | J3TC- | What does this mean? |
| 21:09:32 | pongg | well thanks guys |
| 21:09:34 | preglow | pongg: anyway, brightness control would be put in official rockbox for sure, when we find a nice way to do it |
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| 21:09:44 | bluebrother | Cronoh: 7805 or similar f.e. |
| 21:09:58 | J3TC- | I'm doing a compile and this is the first time I saw that |
| 21:10:04 | Llorean | rasher: I think the assumption is that "there is, but we don't know how yet" |
| 21:10:04 | rasher | J3TC-: looks like build output for the tools/ dir to me. Any particular thing you're asking about? |
| 21:10:15 | J3TC- | Lots of gcc -o |
| 21:10:20 | scorche|w | right way = using hardware support |
| 21:10:23 | J3TC- | It usually doesn't do that >_> |
| 21:10:24 | bluebrother | there's nothing special about. |
| 21:10:46 | J3TC- | If that's normal then that's good |
| 21:10:48 | rasher | J3TC-: that's because you've either downloaded a fresh sourcetree or run make veryclean |
| 21:10:49 | Llorean | rasher: Though there is mention of registers for adjusting brightness on the 5G in the task commends, by linuxstb. Dunno what became of that |
| 21:11:07 | scorche|w | J3TC-: if there is an error, or warning, it will say that |
| 21:11:44 | J3TC- | rasher: Ah ok, I did a fresh sourcetree |
| 21:11:45 | amiconn | Hmm :/ |
| 21:11:50 | J3TC- | Well a new svn to a different folder |
| 21:12:21 | amiconn | I can definitely write to 0x30000000 using stmia and the broadcom eats it, even if its port is only 16 bit |
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| 21:13:11 | amiconn | This works because the low address bits aren't decoded, so the broadcom doest't care which 0x3000nnnn address one actually writes to |
| 21:13:24 | Cronoh | where can i ask about making a car chargery for my ipod? I want one directly going to the battery, im going to turn it on and off with aswitch and ahve a little light that means, OK its working! :D lol :DD |
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| 21:13:33 | amiconn | But: Doing this yields only 0.5...1fps speedup. Yuck! |
| 21:13:46 | preglow | amiconn: why haven't you submitted the patch? |
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| 21:13:57 | amiconn | (0.5fps when boosted, and 1fps when not boosted) |
| 21:14:27 | amiconn | I'd have to create an account, but I don't want to |
| 21:14:32 | Llorean | Cronoh: Find an iPod fansite, or an iPod channel. |
| 21:14:37 | Llorean | Use google or something |
| 21:14:38 | scorche|w | Cronoh: no clue, but not here |
| 21:14:44 | preglow | amiconn: ok, so it's not to be submitted, then |
| 21:14:48 | preglow | amiconn: give it to and i'll do it |
| 21:14:53 | scorche|w | Llorean: is is much more basic electronics than ipod related |
| 21:14:57 | preglow | "to me" |
| 21:15:14 | preglow | big deal, another account |
| 21:15:32 | Llorean | scorche|w: But there are iPod-specific features to get it recognized as a charger as opposed to a USB connection, right? |
| 21:15:53 | Llorean | My understanding is that it's a certain amount of resistance on certain pins. |
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| 21:16:20 | BigBambi | Isn't there are thread in the forums about tying logic lines to something or other |
| 21:16:34 | scorche|w | could be, but it seems to be a small part of the larger topic |
| 21:16:46 | e200owner | Llorean: hello llorean. Could you comment on my question (today at 13.05.45)? You seem to own e200 player as well. |
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| 21:18:02 | Llorean | e200owner: I wrote 7232. |
| 21:19:06 | Llorean | I'm not sure about 7871, but I'd very much like 7232 (in my original form) to be committed, but have chosen not to do it myself as I don't think I have the right to make arbitrary changes to the keymap without agreement |
| 21:20:20 | e200owner | Llorean: ah, but what is the state of the discussion? It's kind of stuck. Is there anybody pushin it forward? |
| 21:20:41 | BigBambi | scorche|w: Indeed it is |
| 21:20:50 | BigBambi | For reference this is the thread that mentions iPod charger stuff: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13322.0 |
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| 21:22:05 | Llorean | e200owner: Well, 7871 needs to be completed for other targets. 7232 gets brought up from time to time, but I'm afraid the people objecting to it aren't backing down, and nobody's just going ahead and doing it. |
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| 21:24:48 | e200owner | Llorean: iiuc, only jdGordon was objecting until now, the other readers would like it. And the rest probably doesn't care. |
| 21:25:25 | Llorean | The problem is that keymap changes are more subjective than objective as to whether they're better. |
| 21:25:31 | Llorean | I changed on key on the Gigabeat and got a lot of objections. |
| 21:26:04 | Llorean | Even if there's only one objector, I'd very much prefer if someone else made the commit so at the very least it's not "Me forcing my preferences on everyone else" |
| 21:26:51 | e200owner | Llorean: and why does 7871 have to be completed for other targets? It's an e200 specific patch. |
| 21:27:17 | Llorean | e200owner: No, it's not really |
| 21:27:32 | Llorean | It's a patch that's only been implemented for e200, but changes the functionality of Rockbox in certain screens. |
| 21:27:42 | Llorean | And it's functionality that, if it's going to be there, should be there on all targets |
| 21:27:46 | Llorean | Or any targets where possible. |
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| 21:28:23 | DylanL | People online here? |
| 21:29:16 | e200owner | Llorean: from the description, I thought that it only changes the 'leave to wps' keys |
| 21:29:48 | e200owner | Anyway, that means I'll have to wait :-/ |
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| 21:30:32 | DylanL | I looked up in Ipod 6G firmware there is much decrypted stuff tough it seems all Game data but outside the game data in the firmware i still found something decrypted can somebody tells wat this means: MonoBullXLRegularFONTLAB30:TTEXPORTMonoBullXLRegul arMonoBullXL Þ Í€*p®p®`*p`~0}07 |
| 21:30:45 | Llorean | e200owner: It doesn't change it. It adds a "go to wps" key to many screens, and it should add that on multiple targets. |
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| 21:44:05 | ATravelingGeek | Llorean: did you swap the center button and the 'a' key on the gigabeat? |
| 21:44:15 | ATravelingGeek | er, did you change the code to swap those two keys |
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| 21:48:22 | Llorean | Yes |
| 21:48:51 | ATravelingGeek | heh, I'm still getting used to that change |
| 21:49:24 | amiconn | Very interesting stuff... |
| 21:49:35 | * | amiconn is controlling the broadcom via the alternate addresses |
| 21:50:06 | amiconn | They behave exactly the same as the first set when used exclusively - but mixing them causes lockups |
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| 21:50:43 | amiconn | My theory is that one can use them in an alternating fashion, preparing the next frame in the background |
| 21:52:48 | * | amiconn is going to check that theory |
| 21:53:11 | amiconn | Might lead to doubling our framerate... |
| 21:53:52 | preglow | sounds pretty sweet |
| 21:54:20 | rasher | Not bad |
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| 21:55:06 | * | lostlogic is happily correcting bugs and potential bugs in the new buffering stuff |
| 21:56:05 | bertrik | lostlogic: thank you |
| 21:56:27 | lostlogic | bertrik: do you have a particular bug? |
| 21:57:19 | bertrik | no, I played with the latest version and got some hangups and spontaneous playback stops, but nothing that's easy pinpointable |
| 21:57:54 | lostlogic | *nod* I _think_ that what I'm working on rigth now might apply to those spontaneous playback stops after a full playout of a buffer and refill |
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| 22:04:46 | J3TC- | Anyone know what error is *PANIC* Stkov audio |
| 22:04:47 | J3TC- | ? |
| 22:06:09 | lostlogic | the audio thread exhausted its stack |
| 22:06:17 | lostlogic | how'd you get it? |
| 22:06:40 | J3TC- | I applied a crapload of patches which I used to do before but now it breaks now |
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| 22:07:20 | J3TC- | I'm going to see which patch breaks it |
| 22:07:38 | rasher | J3TC-: first step now is to apply the patches each at a time and try to reproduce it. Once you figure out which one it is, go bug the author of that patch. |
| 22:07:40 | lostlogic | well then some of those patches must increase the stack depth of the audio thread and the new buffering probably does as well and the result is too much stack used. |
| 22:07:45 | lostlogic | fun! |
| 22:07:58 | J3TC- | Ah |
| 22:10:04 | J3TC- | http://web.njit.edu/~jc242/rockbox/download/ |
| 22:10:12 | J3TC- | These are the patches I'm using |
| 22:10:20 | J3TC- | I'm guessing the WPS buffer |
| 22:10:21 | J3TC- | :3 |
| 22:10:50 | * | bertrik checks the codec stack |
| 22:12:03 | bertrik | plain SVN on a sansa e200 gives 91% usage on the coded task, audio task is at 81% |
| 22:12:36 | Llorean | Those are the high points, not the current level. |
| 22:12:49 | lostlogic | good to know, do you know how that compares to prior to MOB? |
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| 22:13:54 | bertrik | codec task was at 91% yesterday before mob, but I don't know about the audio task |
| 22:14:14 | Llorean | I don't *think* MoB would affect the codec stack anyway, would it? |
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| 22:16:16 | lostlogic | amiconn: quick question, if I'm planning to move something and I want to align the distance to move it to four bytes, on the small side I would just do 'dist&=~3' and on the big side I'd do 'dist=(dist+3)&~3' right? |
| 22:16:43 | amiconn | yep |
| 22:16:47 | lostlogic | thanks. |
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| 22:21:48 | lostlogic | amiconn: one more for ya: will sizeof(struct somestruct) always be 4 byte aligned, or do I need to do something special in the struct definition to force it to be? |
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| 22:22:38 | amiconn | Depends on the struct and on the architecture |
| 22:22:57 | amiconn | By default, structs are not packed, so that members are aligned according to their size |
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| 22:23:28 | amiconn | If the first and last members are both 32 bit types, the size of the struct will be a multiple of 4 |
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| 22:24:10 | amiconn | If either member is smaller than 32 bit, it depends on the rest of the struct whether the size is a multiple of 4 |
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| 22:24:36 | lostlogic | amiconn: more thanks, that' what I needed to know. |
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| 22:29:33 | amiconn | lostlogic: With this knowledge, it's sometimes possible to reduce the size of a struct without removing members. Just order the members by size |
| 22:30:20 | amiconn | Using packed structs for internal purposes is not recommended; they cause binary size increase on several platforms because members can then be unaligned |
| 22:31:00 | lostlogic | amiconn: yeah to both. having to pull out unaligned data definitely bad |
| 22:31:01 | lostlogic | also slow |
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| 22:35:20 | CiNc028 | DESOWIN:i got into the diagnostic screen on the ipod. and tried to go into the diskmode. it froze on me. it restarted and then showed me an ipod with a sad face. |
| 22:35:36 | CiNc028 | what doe sthat mean? |
| 22:36:20 | desowin | that sounds like bricked iPod |
| 22:37:26 | CiNc028 | but could it be just the HD? |
| 22:37:58 | amiconn | Hmm, this does not work as expected. Still the same fps :/ |
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| 22:41:49 | przemhb | Hi all |
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| 22:42:31 | przemhb | amiconn: I have new info about H10's tuner |
| 22:46:27 | przemhb | amiconn: line-in/tuner switch is GPIOB.2 (LV4052 A) |
| 22:46:51 | przemhb | amiconn: LV4052 B -> GND |
| 22:48:06 | przemhb | amiconn: TEA5767's BUS_ENABLE seems to be... left free |
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| 22:49:46 | przemhb | amiconn: it's strange, but using digital oscilloscope I wasn't able to proove the signal is driven |
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| 22:55:01 | bertrik | hmm, playback just stopped spontaneously in the middle of a song |
| 22:55:31 | bertrik | max audio task stack usage is at 80% |
| 22:55:34 | J3TC- | I hope I'm right about the right patch that's causing the error |
| 22:56:28 | jhMikeS | hmmm...now sim interrupts are just too realistic. forgot to enable them in main() and it froze at the logo just like the real thing. works now though. |
| 22:57:12 | przemhb | amiconn: there's no (sensible) resistance to GND neither to VCC; the BUS_ENABLE is not present on FPC cable connecting daughterboard with the tuner and mainboard |
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| 22:59:31 | przemhb | amiconn: or at least there is a capacitor in series, but as I mentioned earlier scope measurements proove that the BUS_ENABLE seems not to be driven at all |
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| 23:01:24 | przemhb | amiconn: BUSMODE is at GND so I2C mode is forced |
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| 23:03:51 | przemhb | amiconn: BUSENABLE could have it's "reset" giving needed 10us+ positive pulse, but yet one more time scope measurements gave no proove for that hypothesis |
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| 23:07:26 | lostlogic | anyone care to review or test this patch that 1)fixes some minor stuff and adds comments to buffering.c and 2) fixes some logical errors in move_handle that could have resulted in codecs or structs being split across the wrap? http://test.lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/20071026_fix_move_handle.patch |
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| 23:08:39 | J3TC- | I don't know how to "test" patches >_> |
| 23:08:50 | J3TC- | Other than obviously seeing it not break |
| 23:09:16 | lostlogic | J3TC-: basically that's it −− compare behavior between the code you normally run and that code + this patch |
| 23:09:24 | lostlogic | report any differences good or bad |
| 23:09:47 | J3TC- | Ok |
| 23:09:56 | J3TC- | I'll give it a go then |
| 23:10:04 | lostlogic | ty |
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| 23:12:08 | J3TC- | Going to load up the normal build |
| 23:12:23 | J3TC- | I don't want the other patches screwing it up lol |
| 23:12:52 | scorche|w | well, that is the general idea ;) |
| 23:14:52 | J3TC- | ;o |
| 23:15:01 | J3TC- | Man, my internet is really being slow |
| 23:15:06 | J3TC- | I blame the weather |
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| 23:20:46 | markun | amiconn: I was told by Kostya from ffmpeg that insane ape files don't play realtime on his mac (G4) so we don't have to be ashamed :) |
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| 23:23:47 | przemhb | markun: is there a chance high ape files play realtime on PP targets? |
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| 23:24:43 | markun | no idea |
| 23:24:56 | markun | better reencode your files to flac of wavpack |
| 23:25:13 | markun | transcode |
| 23:25:41 | preglow | markun: think i left a message for you in the logs |
| 23:26:17 | markun | ah, about the .text stuff |
| 23:26:55 | maxkelley | what is the best recording format in the recording dialog for long runtime? mp3? |
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| 23:27:58 | markun | preglow: well, I tried it by just putting .text in there and it worked fine, but almost no speedup |
| 23:28:17 | markun | do you think we should bother with it? |
| 23:28:21 | linuxstb | przemhb: We would like that to happen, and it could be feasible if we further optimise the decoder and also start using both CPU cores. But running both cores at full-speed isn't going to help battery life, so as markun suggested, recoding to FLAC would be sensible... |
| 23:28:24 | preglow | markun: if there is any speedup at all: sure |
| 23:28:32 | preglow | markun: if not, then no |
| 23:28:41 | markun | 617% to 618% or something |
| 23:28:46 | preglow | markun: sure, then why not |
| 23:29:48 | markun | do you want to add the #ifdef and include the right config files? |
| 23:31:18 | preglow | could you do it? i can't test it or anything |
| 23:31:26 | preglow | plus, i'm in windows right now |
| 23:31:36 | przemhb | linuxstb: I transcode my APE files to FLAC, but I would sacrifice battery's life if it could give me APE playback, 'cause sometimes it's a case of being able to play at all (if you have no time/possibility to transcode) |
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| 23:38:53 | markun | preglow: I'm at my gf's place right now. Could do it after the weekend. |
| 23:39:50 | CiNc028 | does anyone know what does a folder icon with the exclamation point mean? |
| 23:41:22 | markun | dangerous folder? |
| 23:41:55 | rasher | CiNc028: isn't there an errorcode as well? |
| 23:42:19 | scorche|w | rasher: apple firmware "error" |
| 23:42:30 | scorche|w | just useless picture |
| 23:42:31 | J3TC- | Still compiling |
| 23:42:32 | J3TC- | >_> |
| 23:42:56 | rasher | scorche|w: okay, my memory just had an errorcode associated with them |
| 23:42:58 | CiNc028 | no error code |
| 23:43:12 | CiNc028 | it shows that picture and then the apple website url. |
| 23:44:28 | CiNc028 | ok desowin. my pc finally noticed the ipod. |
| 23:44:51 | CiNc028 | but this apple ipod reset utility said this ipod is not supported |
| 23:50:48 | linuxstb | Which apple ipod reset utility? And which ipod do you have? |
| 23:53:11 | CiNc028 | i have the ipod photo30 gig |
| 23:54:26 | CiNc028 | iPod Reset Utility |
| 23:54:51 | CiNc028 | i got it form the apple website |
| 23:55:38 | CiNc028 | this ipod is going nuts on me. because starts with the apple logo then a folder then it goes into disk mode. and charges. then restarts all over again |
| 23:55:52 | linuxstb | You said earlier that your ipod was asking for the charger - did you plug it in? It needs it to do a firmware update, and I don't believe it will let you continue without it. |
| 23:56:37 | CiNc028 | i know. but i only have a usb cable for it. no regular wall power adapter |
| 23:57:29 | CiNc028 | no wit just showed me the sad face ipod. lol |
| 23:58:00 | linuxstb | You should probably try asking for help somewhere that knows about Apple's firmware. |
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