| 00:01:10 | preglow | how i hate arm and it's complete lack of hardware accumulators |
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| 00:07:19 | * | jhMikeS sings the hardware accumulator song |
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| 00:14:10 | preglow | aaaargh |
| 00:14:15 | preglow | one reg too little for all the accumulators |
| 00:14:51 | preglow | i'd give a bloody leg for SMULxy now |
| 00:16:25 | mr_pink | Looking at the logs I noticed there was a mention last night about the gigbeat custom dock idea... Has anyone actually put much thought or work into this yet? And is there anyone keen that has the right knowledge to make it happen? Or is it more of a pipe dream? |
| 00:17:06 | karashata | mr_pink: there's a wiki page on it if you wanna look into it a bit more |
| 00:19:01 | mr_pink | Yeah I noticed the other day that someone had updated it so it got me thinking about it again |
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| 00:19:50 | karashata | ahh, kay |
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| 00:21:48 | preglow | amiconn: hmmm, wouldn't multiplying two 16x16 numbers by each other with mul result in the correct answer, even if the top 16 bits of both aren't zero? |
| 00:22:04 | preglow | amiconn: correct answer with regards to the lower 16 bits of reach register, that is |
| 00:23:37 | preglow | amiconn: i mean two packed 1616 numbers, i'm a bit too tired now... |
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| 00:47:27 | J3TC- | HAPPY HALLOWEEN!! |
| 00:48:02 | hcs | the great pumpkin will destroy you for such an off topic remark |
| 00:50:17 | amiconn | Yay! 101fps fullscreen on G5 :D |
| 00:50:56 | rasher | amiconn: Improvement from what? |
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| 00:51:04 | amiconn | 40fps |
| 00:51:10 | hcs | nice |
| 00:51:16 | rasher | That's quite a leap |
| 00:51:18 | rasher | Well done |
| 00:51:49 | amiconn | Now 2 things need fixing before commit: yuv blitting, and the background update should be made dualcore safe |
| 00:52:14 | hcs | in other news, SPC codec is failing a lot in the current build |
| 00:52:31 | hcs | (for gigabeat and sansa e200) |
| 00:53:29 | hcs | I'll look into it in a bit, when I can find an outlet for my laptop... |
| 00:53:29 | amiconn | Partial updates profit even more: 390fps for quarter screen (was 59fps before) |
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| 00:53:51 | preglow | amiconn: what the hell |
| 00:53:57 | preglow | that's quite insane |
| 00:54:20 | amiconn | This is still with the simple bcm rom firmware |
| 00:54:42 | amiconn | Just some neat trickery to get around the 14 ms bcm wait |
| 00:55:34 | amiconn | Now someone make a more optimised yuv->rgb convesion :> |
| 00:56:04 | amiconn | To beat the current one, it needs to convert in less than 30 cpu cycles per pixel |
| 00:56:20 | amiconn | (including clipping and all) |
| 00:56:25 | preglow | amiconn: anyway, mul r0, r1, r2 where r1 and r2 are two 16 bit packed values will give the same answer as the two low parts multiplied together separately, yes? |
| 00:56:36 | amiconn | Not sure... |
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| 00:56:49 | preglow | and yes, i am really low on registers to even consider using this :P |
| 00:56:52 | midgey | at 101 fps, doesnt that make the 5g one of fastest targets for lcd in terms of byte/s? |
| 00:56:52 | amiconn | The low part will be the same |
| 00:56:57 | amiconn | (iirc) |
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| 00:57:14 | amiconn | midgey: Nope, the gigabeat and sansa are faster |
| 00:57:50 | amiconn | (because they use dma from ram) |
| 00:58:07 | midgey | well, i saw the e200 on LcdFrameRate, but I didn't know the speed of the gigabeat |
| 00:58:11 | amiconn | G5 is now about 15MByte/s |
| 00:58:55 | amiconn | In fact the transfer speed already was that high, just the bcm wait limited the speed of back-to-back updates |
| 00:59:08 | midgey | very nice |
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| 01:00:44 | jhMikeS | amiconn: How long will it spend in the tick? Just a few uS? If so, don't worry about blocking in a interrupt handler on one core while the other completes. |
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| 01:01:09 | amiconn | Yes, it's just a few us |
| 01:01:28 | amiconn | Right now I'm using a plain old tick task |
| 01:01:39 | jhMikeS | no worry then. the queues do that. |
| 01:01:55 | preglow | amiconn: using the tick task to transfer image data? |
| 01:02:11 | amiconn | nope |
| 01:02:25 | amiconn | Using the tick task to initiate a delayed update if necessary |
| 01:02:32 | amiconn | http://pastebin.ca/757114 <== this is the whole tick task |
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| 01:04:24 | preglow | right |
| 01:04:54 | preglow | there's some real change this qmf_synth asm will be faster after all... |
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| 01:05:31 | preglow | man, oh man, gcc does a shit job at that one |
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| 01:10:04 | jhMikeS | amiconn: core-safe version: http://pastebin.ca/757118 |
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| 01:11:58 | amiconn | Btw, fullscreen elephants dream is now playing at ~13fps, widescreen at ~17fps |
| 01:12:30 | amiconn | Versions smaller than the screen are currently broken (due to lcd_yuv_blit needing adjustment) |
| 01:12:35 | preglow | how much would that improve with a nice yuv blit? |
| 01:12:57 | amiconn | It's already asm'ised - if you could come up with a better one... |
| 01:13:59 | amiconn | Pure fullscreen yuv blit is currently running at 27.3fps |
| 01:14:38 | preglow | and you're out of ideas on how to optimize it? |
| 01:14:41 | amiconn | That means each mpeg decoding and yuv blit need roughly half of the total time |
| 01:15:37 | amiconn | It will even become a tiny bit slower for less than screen width |
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| 01:16:08 | preglow | now, find an arc assembler and make the bcm do the yuv conversion for you :P |
| 01:16:32 | amiconn | Not the conversion itself, but I need to either split the line pairs into 2 separate calls, or let the function deal with bcm address setup |
| 01:16:35 | amiconn | arc? |
| 01:17:42 | preglow | yeah, i think the bcm is an arc chip |
| 01:17:45 | preglow | which means it uses mips instructions |
| 01:17:45 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I take it that all accesses to lcd_state would need to be corelocked? |
| 01:19:11 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The lcd_update does this: set lcd_update to something != LCD_NEED_UPDATE, then transfer data to the bcm (during that time the tick must not access the lcd. |
| 01:19:15 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I don't know...perhaps not if the interrupt will catch them at some point |
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| 01:19:42 | jhMikeS | aha |
| 01:19:46 | amiconn | When finished, it checks whether the bcm is busy. If it is, it sets lcd_state to LCD_NEED_UPDATE, to let the tick do the update |
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| 01:20:12 | amiconn | If the bcm is ready, it kicks off the update itself, and leaves lcd_state set to LCD_IDLE |
| 01:20:22 | jhMikeS | then yes if you can't risk one extra getting by |
| 01:20:34 | amiconn | One extra would be a waste |
| 01:21:05 | jhMikeS | the corelock there is just swp, so no big deal to lock it and change the var and unlock |
| 01:21:25 | amiconn | Yeah, but I don't want to lock during the whole update |
| 01:21:42 | amiconn | I mean during the whole data transfer to the bcm, which can be lengthy |
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| 01:22:25 | amiconn | As long as lcd_update is never called on COP, I don't need locking at all |
| 01:23:21 | jhMikeS | lock, set the var to something != LCD_NEED_UPDATE, unlock. copy the data, and just do the same procedure when allowing updates again. and it is called on COP. |
| 01:23:43 | amiconn | is it? |
| 01:24:11 | jhMikeS | by mpegplayer but not at the same time |
| 01:24:31 | amiconn | Hmm, mpegplayer runs video on cop? |
| 01:24:42 | amiconn | I thought it would run audio on cop, hmm... |
| 01:24:45 | jhMikeS | on pp targets |
| 01:25:17 | jhMikeS | much better to use COP for video since audio isn't so heavy and CPU must buffer and handle keys |
| 01:25:27 | amiconn | hmm |
| 01:25:42 | amiconn | On greyscale pp targets it would be better to put audio on cop... |
| 01:25:58 | amiconn | ...or better, put the greyscale isr on cop |
| 01:26:11 | * | amiconn wonders whether that would work |
| 01:28:41 | * | amiconn will look into that while implementing the all-new greyscale lib |
| 01:29:00 | jhMikeS | I think the ISR should just switch to whatever core starts it |
| 01:29:55 | jhMikeS | it should work so long as it's not enabled for both at once...as we've seen in other places |
| 01:30:18 | amiconn | It's a TIMER2 isr |
| 01:30:44 | amiconn | Currently running on CPU only, as the timer api only enables the interrupt for cpu |
| 01:31:12 | amiconn | I think the timer api should allow core selection on PP |
| 01:31:34 | jhMikeS | right so, that needs a small tweak to select the core starting it or select a core explicitly |
| 01:31:37 | preglow | ahaha, hole smokes, just replacing the qmf_synth function with asm shrunk the binary with 1kb :P |
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| 01:32:07 | preglow | go gcc |
| 01:32:08 | amiconn | I am even thinking about alternation, in order to balance the load |
| 01:32:17 | hcs | doh... how might I reboot a frozen sansa (e260)? |
| 01:32:39 | amiconn | Although that might cause problems with cache coherency |
| 01:32:51 | pixelma | hcs: hold power for about 15 sec.. |
| 01:33:09 | jhMikeS | hmmm...one core flush, other invalidates. the data should be aligned properly too then...or use uncached aliases and alignment |
| 01:33:34 | amiconn | Uncached would be nasty... |
| 01:34:16 | jhMikeS | I'm not seeing any framrate penalty for uncached yuv writes at all...not on e200 anyway |
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| 01:34:50 | amiconn | Hmm, I guess it's just speculation right now |
| 01:34:52 | Nilisco | This might be a bit off topic for this channel, but has anyone ever opened a ipod here (and have any tips? ) |
| 01:35:14 | jhMikeS | go ask in #rockbox-community? |
| 01:35:17 | hcs | pixelma: ah, so that shuts it off, I thought nothing had happened, was expecting a reboot, thanks! |
| 01:36:11 | Nilisco | I'll take that as a no. Thanks anyway! |
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| 01:36:30 | pixelma | well yeah, you need to press the power button again ;) |
| 01:36:38 | preglow | jmspeex: qmf_synth() seems to have a tremendous impact on arm also, 250% realtime on uwb now |
| 01:37:01 | amiconn | up from? |
| 01:37:26 | preglow | 155 |
| 01:37:50 | preglow | however, there is still a bug, so it might still not be the right performance figure |
| 01:38:08 | amiconn | wow |
| 01:38:11 | preglow | and further optimizations in the innerloop is possible |
| 01:38:23 | preglow | amiconn: it really isn't a "wow" when you see the bloody mess gcc made of that function |
| 01:38:52 | * | amiconn is curious about the before-and-after values on PP5002 |
| 01:38:52 | jhMikeS | preglow: vorbis builds seektables at load time? |
| 01:39:04 | preglow | jhMikeS: vorbis builds _everything_ at load time, afaik... |
| 01:39:21 | preglow | btw, i don't think vorbis uses a seek table |
| 01:39:40 | preglow | it just skips from ogg header to ogg header in search of where it's going, afaik |
| 01:39:43 | preglow | not 100% certain |
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| 01:39:49 | jhMikeS | hmmm...I think mpegplayer needs that if I want video scrubbing with the wheel. 100KB would hold 1s precision for the entire timestamp duration. |
| 01:40:06 | jhMikeS | s/duration/range/ |
| 01:40:09 | preglow | jhMikeS: so, that's what you're working on now? :P |
| 01:40:28 | jhMikeS | I said I would after dual core was in place. |
| 01:40:35 | preglow | did you, know |
| 01:40:39 | preglow | now.. |
| 01:40:41 | preglow | god, i should sleep |
| 01:40:46 | preglow | putting down asm is so hard... |
| 01:40:54 | jhMikeS | yes, look in the IRC logs |
| 01:41:15 | preglow | i believe you :) |
| 01:41:31 | jhMikeS | now that all kernel objects are useable on DC it's much easier to do whatever |
| 01:42:48 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Any news regarding DC on PP5002? |
| 01:43:06 | jhMikeS | this thing could support playlists too since it's not hard coded to end the plugin at video end...but do we need yet another full-blown playback engine? :) |
| 01:43:53 | jhMikeS | amiconn: haven't gotten there yet. I suspect that most of it could be thrown-in rather quickly. |
| 01:44:04 | amiconn | Imho video is just an add-on for a dap, and we don't need to support video playlists |
| 01:44:44 | amiconn | On a true video target this might be different, and video might find its way into the core. But then some brilliant wps ideas are needed ;) |
| 01:44:49 | jhMikeS | It doesn't really feel like an addon on a gigabeat. Feels meant for such a thing which a good screen and fast processor. |
| 01:45:18 | preglow | agreed |
| 01:45:25 | preglow | and g5 ipods _are_ meant for video |
| 01:45:31 | jhMikeS | WPS video mode? YUV blitting can leave a margin for OSD. |
| 01:47:03 | jhMikeS | preglow: but that needs the special broadcom support, right? so until that, it's sort of clunky eh? |
| 01:48:15 | * | jhMikeS wonders if gigabeat wasn't meant for video but they abandoned it to bring it to market faster. |
| 01:49:21 | amiconn | Now cube.rock on G5 is almost as fast as on H300 (h=1, both targets boosted), even though G5 has significantly more pixels... |
| 01:49:35 | preglow | gourad shading! :P |
| 01:49:38 | jhMikeS | video players are damn complex :\ |
| 01:49:58 | Mouser_X | Video on Gigabeat = nice. |
| 01:50:05 | Mouser_X | I'm really glad to have one of those. |
| 01:50:33 | karashata | video on H10 seems okay, aside from the really tiny screen... |
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| 01:54:00 | jhMikeS | yeah, H10 looks pretty good |
| 01:54:15 | * | karashata nods |
| 01:54:45 | karashata | all the videos I've encoded and tested on it played back at full fps, no issues really |
| 01:55:22 | jhMikeS | I have some that don't quite make it but they're a little too big in frame size |
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| 01:57:22 | * | jhMikeS doesn't have anything he's specifically codec for a device...just what was laying around in his archives and various test cases |
| 01:57:33 | jhMikeS | s/codec/encoded/ |
| 01:58:25 | karashata | it takes me about 15 minutes to encode a ~23 minute video for playback on my H10 |
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| 02:03:01 | hcs | Can anyone think of any recent changes that may have broken the SPC codec? |
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| 02:03:31 | jhMikeS | man, I botched the seektable estimate. That thing would be huge at 1s res over a full-range video. |
| 02:04:02 | jhMikeS | hcs: it's broken? at last check it seemed to work ok. |
| 02:04:12 | karashata | hcs: SPC is working fine here... |
| 02:04:43 | hcs | jhMikeS: crashes the sim and breaks on my gigabeat and sansa e260, just built it an hour ago |
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| 02:05:32 | jhMikeS | hcs: then it's quite recent. I did SVN up today and will verify on the build on gigabeat now. |
| 02:06:26 | jhMikeS | hcs: what happens for you? It's running ok. |
| 02:06:50 | hcs | seems to not play the first few songs in a directory |
| 02:07:00 | hcs | and occasional codec failures |
| 02:07:19 | preglow | god damn! |
| 02:07:31 | jhMikeS | I got those right after MoB but only after starting it during playback of something else. |
| 02:07:32 | preglow | the amount of copy&paste errors i commit |
| 02:08:13 | jhMikeS | hcs: it is only when playback switches directories itself? I can start it explicitly in a directory and it's ok. |
| 02:09:07 | hcs | jhMikeS: looks like it happens when starting explicitly in a directory, too |
| 02:09:46 | jhMikeS | odd...my build is from an SVN earlier today around 4:00 EDT |
| 02:10:21 | hcs | probably something sensitive with what memory it's overwriting |
| 02:11:59 | * | jhMikeS suggests a settings reset and retry since his own build is >= r15384 |
| 02:12:41 | hcs | I'm using the simulator to test now, with a clean slate. |
| 02:14:30 | safetydan | Do we have a standard response to bugs raised where the user is using a custom build? |
| 02:15:24 | jhMikeS | r15386 actually |
| 02:15:24 | safetydan | "Closing this as you are using an unsupported build. Please retest on an official build and create a new bug if the issue is reproducible there."? |
| 02:16:05 | hcs | jhMikeS: I don't understand what you're mentioning revs for |
| 02:16:53 | jhMikeS | hcs: just to say "my build is basically latest SVN and not having the trouble you describe" |
| 02:17:39 | jhMikeS | though I did just witness something interesting for a moment |
| 02:18:30 | hcs | I would like to not that the crashes seem to go away if i leave out the pcmbuf_insert call |
| 02:18:34 | hcs | *note |
| 02:19:11 | jhMikeS | The track info in the WPS was just a bunch of boxes for a few seconds while the track switched over. Probably clearing the metadata when the codec is unloaded but not when the track is actually done sounding. |
| 02:19:37 | jhMikeS | heh, just did it on the next switch too |
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| 02:19:50 | hcs | jhMikeS: I have rev 15388 |
| 02:20:56 | hcs | nothing of import seems to have changed in the meantime, though |
| 02:21:27 | jhMikeS | nope. I looked at the playback update but that seems to not be affecting me. |
| 02:22:02 | jhMikeS | but then I don't seem to remember the boxes in WPS either...hmmm |
| 02:25:22 | hcs | hum, why are the samples int32_t? |
| 02:26:04 | jhMikeS | which samples? |
| 02:26:37 | hcs | the main buffer I render into, samples[] |
| 02:27:06 | jhMikeS | because it outputs 24-bit data? |
| 02:27:15 | hcs | ah, quite |
| 02:27:54 | hcs | been a while since I've worked on this |
| 02:29:07 | jhMikeS | should I throw the ARM asm in? Some real improvement but it won't get you echo on PP without COP use. (the parallel processing will have to wait a little) |
| 02:29:41 | hcs | If you wish, I'd like to find out what's wrong just now first. |
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| 02:30:48 | jhMikeS | Nothing's been altered in the track handling (nothing I did that I remember or intended anyway) :p. |
| 02:31:16 | hcs | I'll do some regression, see if I can narrow it down |
| 02:31:22 | hcs | I hadn't built a build for a while |
| 02:35:18 | jhMikeS | hmm...last SPC commit is the building with its own -O level. last before that was coldfire assembly work. |
| 02:36:10 | hcs | I don't think there had been any SPC changes since I checked |
| 02:36:17 | hcs | *since I last built |
| 02:36:43 | preglow | w00t, 254% |
| 02:37:04 | jhMikeS | hcs: it's been 3 months |
| 02:37:22 | hcs | jhMikeS: right, definitely been since then |
| 02:38:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: if i have two packed 16x16 registers and use a standard arm mul instruction, will the result be the lower two 16 bits multiplied by each other? |
| 02:38:19 | preglow | i just can't wrap my head around that now |
| 02:39:31 | preglow | my head says yes, but the ipod says no... |
| 02:39:32 | jhMikeS | ummm...no |
| 02:40:23 | preglow | beh, the lower 16 bits will be right |
| 02:41:16 | jhMikeS | the upper 16 will have the carries added of course |
| 02:41:19 | preglow | i've got a bad register squeeze going on |
| 02:42:02 | jhMikeS | maybe that's why gcc mangled it so much |
| 02:42:24 | preglow | probably |
| 02:42:39 | preglow | anyway, even having to fetch shorts from memory all the time, i'm way, way faster than gcc |
| 02:43:03 | jhMikeS | can SP be stored out of the way and restored? |
| 02:43:27 | preglow | sure, if you can write to your code section :P |
| 02:43:59 | preglow | not very flash friendly |
| 02:44:01 | jhMikeS | no, just stash it per core and use it for scratch unless you need to call some other routine |
| 02:44:37 | preglow | stash it at some constant offset, you men? |
| 02:44:38 | preglow | mean |
| 02:45:00 | jhMikeS | no, at some static location |
| 02:45:06 | preglow | ahh, i meant that, yes |
| 02:45:14 | preglow | 0x10000000 would be nice :P |
| 02:45:47 | jhMikeS | though that is a really desperate shortage then |
| 02:46:03 | preglow | anywho, can you think of any faster clipping for arm than: cmp r1, limit \n movgt r1, rlimit \n cmn r1, limit \n rsblt r1, rlimit, #0 ? |
| 02:46:12 | preglow | that is symmetric clipping |
| 02:46:23 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 02:46:35 | preglow | for assymmetric you'd just do mvnlt r1, rlimit, i guess |
| 02:48:03 | preglow | yes, as in you know of something faster? |
| 02:48:04 | jhMikeS | well, I can think of it but I'll get bopped again just for doing so :) |
| 02:48:20 | preglow | four cycles isn't too bad, really |
| 02:48:58 | jhMikeS | it turns it into asymmetric, unsigned clipping |
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| 02:50:02 | preglow | i can live with assymetric clipping in this particular spot |
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| 02:52:17 | jhMikeS | basically like the arbitrary one in dsp.c. is the range variable or fixed? |
| 02:52:38 | preglow | fixed |
| 02:52:44 | jhMikeS | bits? |
| 02:52:44 | preglow | sixteen bit clipping |
| 02:53:25 | jhMikeS | -32768 to 32767? use the one from DSP.c as compiled. it's four instructions |
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| 02:53:54 | preglow | with how many cycles on clip not taken? |
| 02:54:20 | jhMikeS | I think it's four always |
| 02:54:47 | preglow | then i'll just continue using this one, since this is also four always :) |
| 02:55:42 | preglow | i guess it's kind of hard to get under four, since that just about leaves you with one instruction and one branch, and unless you also want to always execute the clipping case, you'll need a branch |
| 02:56:22 | jhMikeS | wait and the result should be sign-extended to bit-31 or not? |
| 02:56:39 | preglow | you know what, in this particular scenario, it would be for the better if it was not |
| 02:56:59 | jhMikeS | heh, you can have your pick |
| 02:57:13 | preglow | since then i can or together the sixteen bit results and transfer them with stmia |
| 02:57:25 | preglow | if they're sign-extended, i can't or them together if they're negative |
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| 02:58:53 | preglow | hah, if i change the rsblt r1, rlimit, #0 to addlt r1, rlimit, #1, i achieve just that |
| 02:59:40 | preglow | 0x8001 is -32867, isn't it? |
| 02:59:43 | preglow | sleepy brain |
| 02:59:49 | preglow | -32767 ... |
| 02:59:58 | jhMikeS | http://rafb.net/p/GL48fu92.html <== |
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| 03:00:18 | jhMikeS | I'm sure you can make whatever at the 4th instruction and after |
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| 03:01:47 | Falco98 | hey all |
| 03:06:35 | keanu | JdGordon, other than "rejected" what was the reason for closing FS5047? |
| 03:08:55 | preglow | seems like a case of settings bloat to me |
| 03:09:12 | preglow | but i can't remember him mentioning it |
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| 03:11:27 | Falco98 | I wanna see if anyone has seen anything like this: i'm having a pesky recurring issue (iriver h140); some time after installing a new build, the player starts "losing" its playlist on resume after an idle poweroff... and if i instead manually power-off, it loses its settings instead. |
| 03:12:28 | Falco98 | i ran a scandisk a few weeks ago at someone's suggestion and found that like 2 of the system files were crosslinked, so i corrected this. but, it remains. I'm starting to think that rockbox might be doing this thru improper handling somehow |
| 03:12:41 | Falco98 | it's pestersome as it's impossible to trace and hard to replicate |
| 03:12:55 | safetydan | Falco98: do you property unmount your player before unplugging the USB cable? |
| 03:13:02 | Falco98 | i don't believe i'm experiencing disk corruption, as it's always those specific files |
| 03:13:11 | Falco98 | generally, yes |
| 03:13:20 | Falco98 | though sometimes the unmount fails and i have to unsafely unplug it anyway |
| 03:13:30 | Falco98 | i do, at least, make sure the disk is inactive when i do |
| 03:13:49 | safetydan | that's likely to lead to filesystem corruption though and disk activity isn't a reliable indicator depending on write caching and so forth |
| 03:14:00 | Falco98 | "safely remove"ing doesn't do anything additional, as far as i've seen |
| 03:14:13 | safetydan | it ensures the write cache is flushed at least |
| 03:14:19 | Falco98 | ah ok |
| 03:14:38 | Falco98 | wouldn't i have write caching disabled in my OS? |
| 03:14:44 | Falco98 | or would that not matter? |
| 03:14:53 | safetydan | depends on the os and how dumb it is about removable storage |
| 03:15:03 | Falco98 | XP |
| 03:15:06 | safetydan | It's "Optimise for quick disconnect" or something like that on XP |
| 03:15:25 | Falco98 | whatever it is, i believe i have it enabled |
| 03:15:53 | jhMikeS | go to device manager while the device is pluggin, select the disk driver for the device and check the policies tab |
| 03:16:01 | jhMikeS | *plugged |
| 03:16:28 | Falco98 | ok |
| 03:19:11 | Falco98 | yeah, that's how it was set |
| 03:20:25 | Falco98 | hmm.. what's the command name again? i thought it was "scandisk" but that's not working now |
| 03:20:27 | Falco98 | sigh |
| 03:20:55 | psycho_maniac | fdisk? |
| 03:21:11 | Falco98 | not that one.. just the scan / fix system errors |
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| 03:22:08 | Falco98 | oh, i guess it was chkdsk |
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| 03:28:35 | Falco98 | also... does anyone have any idea why tetrox was taken out of the standard build? |
| 03:28:59 | jhMikeS | it was renamed rockblox? |
| 03:29:45 | Falco98 | oh? cool, i never saw that announced or anything. |
| 03:29:45 | safetydan | I think so yes |
| 03:29:53 | safetydan | it was a long time ago |
| 03:29:59 | jhMikeS | legal bs from the company with the TM |
| 03:30:32 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 03:30:36 | Falco98 | grumble :-P |
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| 03:31:13 | Falco98 | btw.. would it be safe to delete the directory called "system volume information" from my player? that seems like windows BS to me |
| 03:31:32 | Falco98 | i also don't see why it has a "recycled" directory |
| 03:32:03 | safetydan | Falco98: you can delete them but they'll return as soon as you connect to Windows again |
| 03:32:29 | Falco98 | ah, yeah.. the problem is that SVI has like 20 megs of crap in it atm |
| 03:32:42 | jhMikeS | yeah, just don't let recycled fill up (hit Shift when deleting files from Explorer) |
| 03:33:19 | Falco98 | yeah, i never "recycle" anyway, especially if removing stuff from my player |
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| 03:38:30 | hcs | jhMikeS: son of a... one problem solved, I had copied the wrong codec binaries to my gigabeat |
| 03:39:49 | Mouser_X | D'oh! |
| 03:39:54 | Mouser_X | That could be part of it... |
| 03:40:48 | Falco98 | would it be a good idea or useful at all to defrag my disk? |
| 03:41:33 | Mouser_X | It's certainly not a bad idea. |
| 03:41:49 | Mouser_X | In fact, it could probably help in disk spinup. |
| 03:42:49 | Falco98 | oh, would a defrag really recognize the rockbox files and prioritize them? |
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| 03:45:52 | karashata | Falco98: no |
| 03:45:59 | karashata | I can tell you from experience |
| 03:46:05 | Falco98 | ok |
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| 03:48:19 | Mouser_X | Falco98: What I was refering to, is that it wouldn't have to spin the disk as much, when loading data, because it wouldn't be scattered all over the disk. |
| 03:48:54 | karashata | I have to agree with Mouser_X, it does help a bit |
| 03:49:17 | Falco98 | gotcha |
| 03:49:20 | Falco98 | i'll try it sometime |
| 03:49:22 | karashata | though it may take a little while for it to complete, if my experience tells me anything |
| 03:49:35 | Falco98 | really atm i'm less concerned about spinup than i am about this weird shutdown error i'm having |
| 03:49:43 | Falco98 | it's kinda frustrating, as you might imagine |
| 03:50:00 | karashata | I also have to note... |
| 03:50:10 | karashata | I never get the SVI folder on my player |
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| 03:50:43 | Falco98 | i just went into windows and told it to disable system restore on that drive.. i dunno why i hadn't done that already :-P |
| 03:50:49 | Falco98 | i still have the folder but it's now empty, at least |
| 03:50:54 | karashata | hmm |
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| 03:53:53 | Falco98 | so when i try to safely remove my drive, it says "cannot safely remove right now." |
| 03:54:03 | Falco98 | but it's absolutely motionless. |
| 03:57:00 | jhMikeS | hcs: rotf xD |
| 03:57:23 | hcs | jhMikeS: still, doesn't explain the sansa |
| 03:57:47 | jhMikeS | well, you did rule that out there too right? |
| 03:57:59 | Falco98 | grr, systemrestore came back on when i plugged it back in... |
| 03:58:56 | jhMikeS | Falco98: I get that all the time on first attempt or when an Explorer window is on the drive. I'll pull it anyhow if I know I don't have it open in some program. |
| 03:59:09 | Falco98 | heh |
| 03:59:32 | jhMikeS | It delayed write is off. No worry. I never use safe removal. |
| 03:59:46 | Falco98 | i tried a second time and for some reaason it worked then :-P |
| 03:59:48 | hcs | jhMikeS: yeah, sansa is still inexplicable. and the crashing in the simulator is odd as well |
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| 04:23:26 | saratoga | can we please give Toni SVN access |
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| 04:24:20 | saratoga | oh |
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| 09:13:25 | linuxstb_ | That's a good sign... |
| 09:13:30 | Zagor | nah, same disk failure as once before. I haven't had time to change that disk yet (a backup disk). |
| 09:13:49 | Zagor | so fsck failed and stopped to ask what to do |
| 09:16:21 | Zagor | ...and fsck failed because I reboot that box once a month |
| 09:16:31 | Zagor | s/failed/ran/ |
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| 09:23:24 | Elbo | is the rockbox site down? |
| 09:23:35 | JdGordon | not anymore |
| 09:24:02 | Elbo | wow, I guess i should have tried one more time before asking |
| 09:24:03 | Elbo | thanks |
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| 09:36:57 | SpaceFuzz | Has anyone else been getting [build] Error 2? I'm compiling ipodmini firmware from rev 15390, and seeing "multiple definition of pcm_is_..." errors in pcm_playback.c (and pcm.c). |
| 09:37:25 | linuxstb_ | Have you tried a "make clean" ? |
| 09:38:28 | SpaceFuzz | short answer: no. trying now... ;-) |
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| 10:01:57 | n1s | jhMikeS: did you figure out why the spc codec broke with Os on coldfire, it might be worth investigating as higher O levels usually give a nice speed up on coldfire |
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| 10:11:51 | SpaceFuzz | OK. had to chmod to get make clean working. Now fresh config & make gives this: |
| 10:12:15 | n1s | pastebin! |
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| 10:12:43 | SpaceFuzz | sorry. what's pastbin? |
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| 10:14:06 | n1s | SpaceFuzz: put the text here http://pastebin.ca/ and post the link instead of filling the channel |
| 10:15:35 | linuxstb_ | SpaceFuzz: If you had to use chmod, then something is wrong with your setup. Are you a normal user at the moment, but did the previous build (and maybe the svn checkout) as root? |
| 10:16:18 | JdGordon | amiconn: you round? |
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| 10:16:50 | SpaceFuzz | apologies. learning etiquitte. http://pastebin.ca/757396 |
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| 10:17:55 | SpaceFuzz | used the chmod to enable permissions as user, per http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 10:19:15 | pixelma | SpaceFuzz: did you also run configure again (sometimes that is also necessary) |
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| 10:19:32 | SpaceFuzz | y |
| 10:19:58 | n1s | SpaceFuzz: do you get any other errors earlier in the build? |
| 10:22:10 | SpaceFuzz | nls: yes, I now see ealier ones. copy out of my vmware into Windows browser (ugh) and don't have browser/irc in vmware. 1 min. |
| 10:22:37 | SpaceFuzz | cant copy |
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| 10:25:12 | SpaceFuzz | http://pastebin.ca/757399 |
| 10:25:25 | n1s | hmm, the comment in system-pp502x.c line 76-80 seems to be out of date |
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| 10:26:40 | n1s | SpaceFuzz: have you altered your source or used any patches? |
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| 10:29:21 | SpaceFuzz | nls: removed sleep function from ata.c. & at one point undef'd cpu_freq_scaling (?). but learned that cpu freqency scaling bug had been resolved, so I undid it. |
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| 10:29:55 | SpaceFuzz | If no one else has issues, I'll blow my repository and start afresh. |
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| 10:32:45 | n1s | SpaceFuzz: undefing cpu scaling is what is causing your probelm |
| 10:34:01 | n1s | because the #ifdefing in system-pp502x.c is not complete, the function scale_suspend_core() is #ifdefed out when freq scaling is disabled but some calls to it are not... |
| 10:34:47 | n1s | also if you have build problems you are supposed to try a clean source... |
| 10:35:44 | SpaceFuzz | nls: thanks. thought my svn co would overwrite. guess not. |
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| 10:39:30 | n1s | SpaceFuzz: "svn revert- R ." in the source root will get you back to a clean state |
| 10:39:43 | n1s | umm, "svn revert -R ." |
| 10:40:33 | SpaceFuzz | nls: bing! thx. |
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| 10:49:12 | MrRichard | Howdy. |
| 10:49:54 | MrRichard | Sorry to be such a nuisance but i've been lookinng everywhere and can't work out what the size of the iriver H20s screen is in pixels. Anybody able to help? |
| 10:50:39 | karashata | MrRichard: do you mean the H120 or the 20GB H10? |
| 10:51:03 | Shaid | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverInfo |
| 10:51:06 | Shaid | at the bottom of the page. |
| 10:51:09 | Shaid | go look |
| 10:51:23 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
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| 10:52:04 | * | karashata blinks slightly |
| 10:52:19 | karashata | apparently they're both the same resolution |
| 10:52:38 | karashata | 'cept one's 4 colour greyscale and the other's 16-bit colour |
| 10:53:37 | MrRichard | karashata: the 20gb one |
| 10:53:50 | karashata | ah, 160 by 128 |
| 10:54:03 | MrRichard | I never realised it was so samll D: |
| 10:54:06 | MrRichard | Thanks for that. |
| 10:54:10 | karashata | np |
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| 10:56:52 | MrRichard | Anyone have any idea why my database always ends up glitching after my 2nd sync? |
| 10:57:05 | MrRichard | on the H20 20gb |
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| 10:58:55 | LinusN | "glitching"? |
| 10:59:44 | MrRichard | well, to be specific, after my 2nd sync the database will no longer function. Instead, after selecting database it sits on searching...0 found. And from then on I cannot use the database |
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| 11:04:46 | preglow | LinusN: have speex down to 50kb on coldfire now |
| 11:04:54 | LinusN | nice |
| 11:05:16 | preglow | still 3.5kb in floating point code, i'd expect. plus ogg framing code we don't need, and the entire codec control file |
| 11:05:21 | LinusN | MrRichard: wow, sounds bad |
| 11:05:38 | LinusN | preglow: good, so there is more to trim then |
| 11:05:58 | Shaid | I had that happen on my 5g ipod, MrRichard, I made it recreate the whole DB, seemed to fix it |
| 11:06:02 | jmspeex | preglow: what's "the entire codec control file"? |
| 11:06:20 | Shaid | but it's always possible you have something funny in your db that it doesn't like |
| 11:06:30 | preglow | jmspeex: our speex.c, the layer that handles the interface between rockbox playback and the speex api |
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| 11:06:46 | MrRichard | shaid: how do I force create a new database? ive just relied on reformating the whole device, which is quite a lengthy and iritating chore |
| 11:06:58 | jmspeex | ah, OK |
| 11:07:30 | karashata | MrRichard: the easy way to clear the DB is to delete the database files from the .rockbox directory |
| 11:07:49 | karashata | after that you can rebuild it from a clean slate |
| 11:08:11 | Shaid | MrRichard: And the Initialize Now option in the Database options menu recreates the DB |
| 11:08:44 | MrRichard | shaid+karashata: thanks a lot for the tips |
| 11:08:59 | rasher | MrRichard: I'm pretty sure you don't need to delete the database files. Just "Initialize Now" will start from scratch |
| 11:09:27 | MrRichard | I just reformatted, I'll play around a bit and try that out |
| 11:09:37 | preglow | jmspeex: btw, would you happen to know anything about libogg2? |
| 11:09:50 | jmspeex | preglow: a bit, yes |
| 11:10:00 | preglow | jmspeex: does it do less mallocing and memory copying than libogg? |
| 11:10:14 | jmspeex | yes. libogg2 is zero-copy |
| 11:10:30 | preglow | excellent |
| 11:11:06 | jmspeex | Well, it's zero copy for Tremor −− which uses the libogg2 bit-packet. Speex uses its own bit-packer, so there a copy involved. |
| 11:11:39 | jmspeex | That is, unless you want to change it to use the libogg2 bit-packer. |
| 11:11:50 | preglow | and that would be non-trivial, or? |
| 11:12:11 | jmspeex | preglow: speaking of bit-packer, you may be able to save on the memory that the Speex one allocates. |
| 11:12:55 | preglow | wow, there's an alloc i didn't even see |
| 11:12:56 | jmspeex | I've never used libogg2, so I can't say how hard it would be. Possibly not that hard. All you'd need to do is reimplement bits.c using calls to the libogg2 bitpacker |
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| 11:14:04 | jmspeex | preglow: the best thing for you would be to not use speex_bits_init() at all and instead use speex_bits_init_buffer() or speex_bits_set_bit_buffer() |
| 11:14:58 | preglow | jmspeex: how do i know if i can save any memory on it, though? currently it's 2kb, it seems |
| 11:15:09 | jmspeex | preglow: also note that the zero-copy aspect of libogg2 gives you very little if you consider how small Speex frames are |
| 11:16:05 | jmspeex | preglow: You can skip the allocation altogether and just use speex_bits_init_buffer(). That will just make the SpeexBits struct use your existing buffer. |
| 11:16:31 | preglow | jmspeex: sure, done, but that still doesn't help me shave any bytes off it by itself |
| 11:16:44 | jmspeex | sorry, I meant speex_bits_set_bit_buffer() which is probably more useful for decoding |
| 11:17:08 | jmspeex | preglow: If you don't call speex_bits_init(), then it doesn't allocate *any* memory. |
| 11:17:30 | jmspeex | you just use whatever libogg gave you |
| 11:17:37 | preglow | ahhh, right |
| 11:19:43 | preglow | and it's always safe to do that? no bit reservoir or nothing? |
| 11:20:11 | jmspeex | what do you mean safe? |
| 11:20:31 | jmspeex | you've currently extracting the packet and copying it, right? |
| 11:20:47 | jmspeex | All you need to do is call speex_bits_set_bit_buffer() instead of copying |
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| 11:22:16 | jmspeex | In theory, there is no upper bound for the size of an Ogg/Speex packet constructed by a idiotic asshole, but in practice anything larger than 1200 bytes can be assumed to come from an idiotic asshole. |
| 11:22:35 | preglow | i'm currently looking at that now, i didn't write the entire ogg parsing stuff |
| 11:22:46 | jmspeex | I have Ogg code |
| 11:22:51 | jmspeex | s/have/hate/ |
| 11:23:30 | preglow | haha |
| 11:23:49 | preglow | i hate all code monty writes, but that's primarily because of his spaced out white space usage |
| 11:24:05 | preglow | ie. don't use any |
| 11:26:13 | preglow | why, oggframing.c seems to comply nicely with that rule |
| 11:27:43 | preglow | btw, does the enchancer do any comb filtering? |
| 11:31:12 | MrRichard | another question: when using custom themes that allow coverart to be displayed when playing, where do I save the cover art? |
| 11:31:44 | jmspeex | preglow: the enhancer is pretty much *only* a comb filter. Why? |
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| 11:33:06 | preglow | jmspeex: listened to some low bitrate files yesterday and heard some heavy flanging |
| 11:33:24 | preglow | jmspeex: couldn't figure where that happened in encode, so figured it had to be the enhancer |
| 11:33:32 | markun | MrRichard: in the folder of the album I think |
| 11:33:40 | jmspeex | preglow: can you send a short example (preferably the worst)? |
| 11:33:49 | markun | MrRichard: maybe you can find some more info in the patch tracker |
| 11:33:55 | jmspeex | preglow: try −−no-enh and see what it does |
| 11:33:57 | MrRichard | patch tracker? |
| 11:37:05 | karashata | MrRichard: tracker.rockbox.org |
| 11:37:13 | karashata | if I recall correctly |
| 11:37:17 | MrRichard | thank you. |
| 11:37:23 | preglow | jmspeex: this has it: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/speex/interview_uwb_q1.spx |
| 11:37:33 | preglow | jmspeex: but it seems to be present also with −−no-enh |
| 11:38:06 | jmspeex | then it's not the enhancer |
| 11:38:22 | jmspeex | also note that uwb q1 is totally useless |
| 11:38:25 | preglow | sure |
| 11:38:32 | preglow | just using it as a test file |
| 11:38:34 | karashata | MrRichard: or save yourself the trouble and just go here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=AlbumArt |
| 11:38:48 | karashata | ^ wiki page on Album Art status |
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| 11:39:16 | preglow | and i wouldn't say it's useless, it's quite intelligible |
| 11:39:25 | jmspeex | preglow: uwb q1 uses the 4 kbps mode for narrowband. |
| 11:39:54 | jmspeex | That mode uses an open-loop pitch gain, which isn't very good. |
| 11:40:26 | jmspeex | When I say useless, I mean that you can do better for the same bit-rate if you reduce the bandwidth |
| 11:40:38 | preglow | perhaps i like sibilance :) |
| 11:40:39 | jmspeex | Does -q2 sound better BTW? |
| 11:40:51 | preglow | anyway, the set bit buffer trick worked |
| 11:41:06 | preglow | even shaved off a few percent cpu usage, for some reason |
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| 11:41:15 | preglow | that'd be no copy |
| 11:41:26 | preglow | i don't need to init the bit buffer when i do this, no? |
| 11:41:34 | jmspeex | what you save is probably from the reduced pressure on the cache |
| 11:41:44 | preglow | jmspeex: coldfire has no data cache |
| 11:41:58 | preglow | which is why using iram is so crucially important on it |
| 11:41:59 | jmspeex | preglow: you need to make sure you *don't* call init() actually |
| 11:43:20 | preglow | jmspeex: but no, speex has no bit reservoir or anything? each frame is self-contained? |
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| 11:58:09 | jmspeex | preglow: no reservoir or anything |
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| 12:06:48 | jmspeex | preglow: BTW, you're aware that an Ogg packet can contain up to 10 Speex frames, right? |
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| 12:10:04 | preglow | jmspeex: not at all |
| 12:10:27 | preglow | jmspeex: but it seems they guy who coded speex.c was, so it's alright |
| 12:18:33 | MrRichard | what file extension should video files be for me to play them on my iriver? |
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| 12:20:50 | karashata | MrRichard: they need to be MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 format, at a resolution of 160 by 128 or smaller |
| 12:21:09 | MrRichard | oh thank you |
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| 12:27:29 | MrRichard | This is starting to get confusing. I need to download a build for this theme to work but the link supplied it dead. Are there any alternatives? |
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| 12:34:54 | BigBambi | MrRichard: The size the video should be depends on which iriver you have |
| 12:35:24 | BigBambi | MrRichard: And for the build question, it should say what patches you need. You can patch your own build |
| 12:35:41 | MrRichard | I have a list of relevant patches. its just... |
| 12:35:45 | MrRichard | how do I install them? |
| 12:35:53 | BigBambi | MrRichard: For the video look at the PluginMpegPlayer wiki page |
| 12:36:06 | BigBambi | MrRichard: You patch the source code then compile it |
| 12:36:17 | BigBambi | Look at the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page |
| 12:36:23 | MrRichard | Thanks |
| 12:36:30 | BigBambi | np |
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| 12:36:37 | pixelma | PluginMpegplayer ;) |
| 12:36:43 | class37 | good morning guls |
| 12:36:50 | class37 | guys |
| 12:36:58 | class37 | quick question. |
| 12:37:06 | class37 | my ipod video screen is dead |
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| 12:37:23 | BigBambi | pixelma: Thanks : |
| 12:37:29 | BigBambi | :) even |
| 12:37:43 | class37 | is there a way to set up a playlist that will automatically start or something so I can have functionality until my budget allows for a new one? |
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| 12:38:43 | BigBambi | class37: Are you using itunes to transfer music? |
| 12:38:53 | class37 | rockbox |
| 12:38:55 | pixelma | you could set everything up on your computer, editing the config.cfg file and/or even use the voice UI... |
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| 12:39:25 | BigBambi | class37: Right, but how do you get audio files onto the ipod. Drag and drop or itunes |
| 12:39:45 | class37 | drag and drop |
| 12:40:14 | MrRichard | Is drag and drop the preferred method? |
| 12:40:24 | MrRichard | As I've been using windows media player to sync with my iriver. |
| 12:40:39 | BigBambi | class37: Good - it is then easy to set up a playlist on the pc, then as pixelma says this would seem an ideal use of voice ui to navigate to that playlist and also to set autoresume to on |
| 12:40:58 | BigBambi | MrRichard: You can do it how you want, but personally I will only use drag and drop |
| 12:41:10 | MrRichard | thanks, I've been wondering about it. |
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| 12:43:02 | BigBambi | class37: And as pixelma also says you can create config.cfg on your pc so you don't have to change settings within rockbox, so all you would have to do is locate the playlist |
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| 12:43:52 | preglow | who has the real copyright for vorbis.c? i assume it's not zagor... |
| 12:44:38 | BigBambi | me! |
| 12:46:35 | MrRichard | If a theme says it requires a certain build, but i don't install the build but still put all the patches in. will it work? |
| 12:47:05 | BigBambi | MrRichard: Probably not |
| 12:47:14 | * | MrRichard sighs |
| 12:47:24 | BigBambi | The WPS parser is quite strict now, so if it finds errors it displays the default WPS |
| 12:47:24 | MrRichard | I have teh patches but all the links to the build I need are dead |
| 12:47:46 | BigBambi | And an error can include unsupported tags which some WPS patches introduce |
| 12:47:49 | class37 | when i set talk menu: on |
| 12:47:58 | BigBambi | MrRichard: Have you looked in the unsupported builds forum? |
| 12:48:04 | class37 | i'm not hearing anything |
| 12:48:11 | MrRichard | I'll have a look, thanksBigBambi |
| 12:48:19 | BigBambi | MrRichard: You don't need the exact same build, just one that includes the patches you need |
| 12:48:31 | BigBambi | class37: Do you have voice files installed? |
| 12:48:42 | class37 | probably not |
| 12:48:48 | class37 | got it |
| 12:50:32 | BigBambi | MrRichard: Sorry, I misread your original question - you don't need the exact same build, just one with the right patches, so building your own is fine |
| 12:51:02 | MrRichard | Thanks again BigBambi |
| 12:51:07 | BigBambi | np |
| 12:51:16 | MrRichard | I found a build that's just missing 1 or 2 patches. Is there a way to include the ones it's missing? |
| 12:51:17 | class37 | copying voice files to ipod |
| 12:51:24 | class37 | should be that simple |
| 12:51:28 | class37 | right? |
| 12:51:43 | BigBambi | class37: I'm not too sure tbh, I have never used voice |
| 12:51:58 | BigBambi | But I believe it tells you in the manual what you need to set up |
| 12:52:04 | class37 | i'll let u know |
| 12:52:11 | class37 | great idea though, thx |
| 12:53:14 | * | BigBambi deflects credit to pixelma |
| 12:53:23 | MrRichard | Just out of interest, would an iAudio build work on an iRiver? |
| 12:53:30 | BigBambi | MrRichard: no |
| 12:53:36 | pondlife | class37: Copy it to /.rockbox/langs/english.voice |
| 12:53:45 | pondlife | (or whichever language) |
| 12:53:55 | MrRichard | I noticed the H10 and a certain iAudio are compatible with the same themes. But I guess the build is different |
| 12:54:19 | pondlife | Themes might be compatible if the screen dimensions are the same, builds won't bt. |
| 12:54:19 | BigBambi | Themes are essentially just text and pictures and rockbox knows how o deal with them |
| 12:54:20 | pondlife | be |
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| 12:54:33 | MrRichard | I thought that may be the case |
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| 12:54:43 | BigBambi | But the build talks to the hardware, so has to be very specific - different players = different hardware |
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| 12:55:05 | class37 | don't see docs? |
| 12:55:18 | class37 | for talk menu |
| 12:55:43 | BigBambi | class37: Which player qgqin? |
| 12:55:56 | class37 | ipod video 30 gig |
| 12:56:17 | * | BigBambi curses azerty and qwerty keyboards having q and a swapped, and me having to use both |
| 12:57:28 | MrRichard | What a bummer. the only build I can find is missing quite a few patches |
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| 12:57:39 | john | Hi, I wanted to correct an error in the wiki on the cross compiler page. So I created an account, asking for write permissions here. Alternatively I can just tell the changes here and somebody with write permissions does the job. It is not much. |
| 12:57:50 | class37 | a q q |
| 12:57:54 | BigBambi | class37: Section 7.9 of the manual and links therein |
| 12:58:02 | BigBambi | john: Wiki name? |
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| 12:58:06 | class37 | TY |
| 12:58:09 | john | JohnMeier |
| 12:59:08 | BigBambi | john: done |
| 12:59:17 | john | oh fine. thanks. |
| 12:59:33 | MrRichard | Oh man. I have another silly question. Where do I extract themes to? |
| 12:59:53 | MrRichard | This .zip hasnt got .rockbox as its root, just 'RedEye2' with everything inside that folder |
| 12:59:54 | BigBambi | The zip should be set up with the correct directory structure so you just unzip to the root |
| 12:59:59 | BigBambi | Ah, OK |
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| 13:00:07 | BigBambi | what is inside that folder? |
| 13:00:17 | MrRichard | wps, themes, fonts, background |
| 13:00:50 | BigBambi | Those folders should be inside .rockbox |
| 13:00:59 | class37 | you guys mentioned voice and one other way to handle it |
| 13:01:05 | class37 | please restate the other way? |
| 13:01:12 | MrRichard | should i rename redeye to .rockbox and then extract? |
| 13:01:31 | BigBambi | class37: when rockbox saves changed from default settings it writes config.cfg inside .rockbox |
| 13:01:40 | BigBambi | MrRichard: that is one way |
| 13:02:22 | BigBambi | class37: So if you edit that to change rockbox to autoresume on startup and create a playlist on your computer and save it somewhere easy like the root of the player |
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| 13:03:15 | MrRichard | I'd just like to thank BigBambi and everyone else for all the help so far D: |
| 13:03:19 | MrRichard | Its not easy being a newbie |
| 13:03:26 | BigBambi | class37: The all you have to do once is from the menu structure in the manual know you have to press down twice to get to files (check how mny times it actually is, then select, the select again to load the playlist (if it is the only file n the root) |
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| 13:04:01 | BigBambi | MrRichard: No problem. By the way, if you haven't already done so, we have an excellent manual that you should take a look at |
| 13:04:29 | MrRichard | Ive read the manuals. |
| 13:04:32 | MrRichard | lots of them D: |
| 13:04:32 | BigBambi | cool |
| 13:05:20 | MrRichard | excellent |
| 13:05:25 | MrRichard | so far the theme is working flawlessly! |
| 13:05:30 | BigBambi | Good news |
| 13:06:04 | MrRichard | ahh |
| 13:06:14 | MrRichard | only letdown so far is that the wps screen is just default. |
| 13:06:15 | BigBambi | not flawless? :) |
| 13:06:30 | BigBambi | OK, so that means there are errors in the WPS file itself |
| 13:06:32 | MrRichard | haha yeah ;) |
| 13:06:42 | MrRichard | Well it was missing 2-3 patches |
| 13:06:50 | BigBambi | That'll do it |
| 13:06:59 | MrRichard | Hmm |
| 13:07:02 | MrRichard | Now I have another issue... |
| 13:07:12 | MrRichard | I've already installed a build, lets say I come across the build I need. |
| 13:07:19 | MrRichard | Can I safely just install that build on top? |
| 13:07:20 | BigBambi | Those patches probably introduce new tags, so as official rockbox doesn't know about them it refuses to load it |
| 13:07:24 | karashata | MrRichard: yes |
| 13:07:29 | BigBambi | Yep, just overwrite |
| 13:07:29 | MrRichard | Excellent. |
| 13:07:39 | BigBambi | That is also how you upgrade |
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| 13:07:42 | MrRichard | I have all the patches, now I just need to learn how to compile them =/ |
| 13:07:56 | BigBambi | MrRichard: It isn't too bad as long as they are uptodate |
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| 13:08:47 | MrRichard | good thing I slept in thismorning. Looks like a late night for me |
| 13:09:08 | BigBambi | Keep in mind that the only supported version of rockbox is the up to date current build (which normally changes several times per day). For patched builds etc., we can' really support as we don't know what the patches might have changed |
| 13:09:37 | BigBambi | can' = can't in the previous sentance :) |
| 13:10:44 | MrRichard | ohh okay |
| 13:11:24 | MrRichard | so my up-to-date current build may not accomodate the patches I need? |
| 13:12:31 | karashata | MrRichard: as long as the patches have been synced to a recent SVN commit they should work fine |
| 13:12:41 | MrRichard | excellent. |
| 13:12:58 | karashata | if they're a few months old they might need a little work to make them fit with the current SVN |
| 13:13:07 | MrRichard | Now my only remaining issue is not knowing how to compile patches >,< the guide is confusing |
| 13:13:09 | BigBambi | Yes, up-to-date current has no patches. You are free to use patches and unsupported builds, but if you have a problem we ask you test with an official build before reporting is all |
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| 13:13:35 | BigBambi | MrRichard: Are you on windows? |
| 13:13:44 | MrRichard | Currently, yes =/ |
| 13:13:47 | BigBambi | XP? |
| 13:13:51 | MrRichard | Yeah. |
| 13:14:02 | BigBambi | First step is setting up a build environment |
| 13:14:13 | BigBambi | For ease of use I would suggest VMWare |
| 13:14:30 | MrRichard | Downloading now |
| 13:14:35 | BigBambi | cool |
| 13:15:23 | MrRichard | do i need all the 7zip etc that the wiki mentions? |
| 13:15:48 | BigBambi | You need something that can unzip .7z (7zip files) |
| 13:16:15 | MrRichard | winrar? |
| 13:16:16 | BigBambi | 7zip itself is free and open source, but if you have another tool to do it you prefer you are welcome to use it |
| 13:16:24 | MrRichard | Mightaswell get 7zip |
| 13:16:45 | BigBambi | MrRichard: Possibly, I don't use winrar so don't know if it can do it or not (I'd guess yes) |
| 13:17:24 | karashata | yep, winRAR can open 7-Zip files |
| 13:17:50 | karashata | it's even enabled as the default app on install if you don't change the defaults on install |
| 13:18:18 | MrRichard | oh okay. excellent\ |
| 13:19:15 | MrRichard | didnt realise these files were over 100mb. |
| 13:19:23 | MrRichard | Hopefully my net pulls through and gets them doen pretty quick |
| 13:19:32 | BigBambi | MrRichard: It is a whole operating system :) |
| 13:19:50 | MrRichard | Ohh |
| 13:19:57 | MrRichard | I thought it may have been smaller |
| 13:20:07 | MrRichard | so it's basically cygwin, except set up differently? |
| 13:20:12 | BigBambi | Nope |
| 13:20:17 | BigBambi | It is a linux install |
| 13:20:21 | MrRichard | oh o,o |
| 13:20:24 | BigBambi | That runs on top of windows |
| 13:20:29 | BigBambi | via VMWare |
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| 13:20:46 | MrRichard | Ahh I get it. |
| 13:20:51 | darkapostrophe | I noticed that there's a new download on the downloads page called Voice |
| 13:20:55 | darkapostrophe | What is that? |
| 13:21:01 | darkapostrophe | Speech synthesis or something? |
| 13:21:04 | BigBambi | darkapostrophe: voice files |
| 13:21:08 | MrRichard | Well once this is out of the way atleast I can live happily if I can get my iriver running well. |
| 13:21:25 | darkapostrophe | BigBambi: Again, what are they, and what are they used for? |
| 13:21:27 | BigBambi | darkapostrophe: Not synthesis, but prebuilt files to voice menus etc |
| 13:21:37 | darkapostrophe | Voice files = ambiguous, leaves me guessing |
| 13:21:40 | karashata | MrRichard: you'll like it, I'm sure |
| 13:21:44 | darkapostrophe | Oh, I see |
| 13:21:50 | Domonoky | darkapostrophe: with this voice files, rockbox can speak its mens.. |
| 13:21:51 | BigBambi | darkapostrophe: well, you could have searched the wiki or manual |
| 13:21:58 | darkapostrophe | So that if there's a directory called podcasts, it'll read it out loud? |
| 13:22:03 | BigBambi | For instance VoiceHowTo |
| 13:22:13 | BigBambi | *VoiceHowto |
| 13:22:20 | BigBambi | darkapostrophe: No, that's a directory |
| 13:22:23 | darkapostrophe | BigBambi: The wiki is quite strange, it's not easy to search or find stuff in, as MediaWiki is |
| 13:22:32 | BigBambi | darkapostrophe: I managed it |
| 13:22:43 | darkapostrophe | Okay, so if I have a file called Artist - Song.mp3, it'll read that, then? |
| 13:22:50 | BigBambi | No |
| 13:22:55 | BigBambi | It is not synthesis |
| 13:22:57 | markun | darkapostrophe: those are all examples of speech synthesis |
| 13:22:58 | BigBambi | It is prebuilt |
| 13:23:00 | Domonoky | no it will read the mens.. |
| 13:23:02 | darkapostrophe | Okay.. |
| 13:23:11 | darkapostrophe | So the stuff under System, Settings etc... |
| 13:23:13 | MrRichard | I love you 'u's ;P |
| 13:23:28 | darkapostrophe | MrRichard: Those are called umlauts |
| 13:23:30 | Domonoky | for files and folder you would have to generate .talk files.. the rockbox can also speak those.. |
| 13:23:32 | BigBambi | To read filenames etc, you must record yourslef some talk clips |
| 13:23:46 | BigBambi | Domonoky: you in :) |
| 13:23:50 | BigBambi | *win |
| 13:23:56 | darkapostrophe | Okay... Not really a big deal for me, that was really it. I just wondered about that, thanks. :) |
| 13:24:04 | * | karashata sits quietly |
| 13:24:05 | Domonoky | rbutil can generate those talk files, if you whish.. :-) |
| 13:24:16 | BigBambi | Domonoky: That's cool |
| 13:24:25 | BigBambi | I haven't tried RBUtil in a while |
| 13:26:14 | * | Domonoky would like to have more feedback on rbutil.. :-) |
| 13:26:48 | BigBambi | I shall try to next time, but I either build my own or just unzip |
| 13:27:00 | BigBambi | And don't use voice etc |
| 13:27:23 | karashata | I've used it once, it works alright but I find it easier just to download the .zips and install manually |
| 13:27:32 | karashata | since that's what I'm used to |
| 13:27:34 | Domonoky | :-) |
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| 13:36:28 | MrRichard | one of the download links from rockbox.org just fried my mozilla D: |
| 13:36:50 | MrRichard | Dang. I had so many things i needed open. |
| 13:37:06 | BigBambi | I doubt it was the download |
| 13:37:12 | BigBambi | It is just another website |
| 13:37:18 | MrRichard | yeah |
| 13:37:24 | MrRichard | It was just the website that my computer didnt like |
| 13:37:48 | BigBambi | It was more likely to be having lots of tabs open, but this is getting a little off topic |
| 13:38:12 | MrRichard | Sorry x) |
| 13:38:27 | MrRichard | In any case, I have the VMware player |
| 13:38:33 | MrRichard | Im just downloading the debian file now |
| 13:38:39 | BigBambi | OK, cool |
| 13:46:07 | pondlife | Domonoky: Is there a new RBUtilQT build around? |
| 13:46:50 | Domonoky | no.. but we should make a new release, since i fixed some big bugs.. :-) |
| 13:47:02 | pondlife | If you could, I'll see if I can get talk files working |
| 13:47:16 | pondlife | The wiki is a bit confusing |
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| 13:47:37 | pondlife | You have ticks under 1.0.2 for fixes not in 1.0.2. |
| 13:48:05 | pondlife | e.g. "Talkfile creation puts the _dirname.talk file in the wrong place." will be in 1.0.3, right? |
| 13:48:21 | Domonoky | yes |
| 13:48:30 | pondlife | But not in 1.0.2 |
| 13:48:36 | pondlife | (at least, not here) |
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| 13:48:47 | Domonoky | the page is a bit confusing... feel free to change.. |
| 13:49:15 | pondlife | I'm not sure what it should be. Should the 1.0.2 read 1.0.3 etc.? |
| 13:49:31 | Domonoky | the notes under a version, are bugs found in this version.. if the are fixed in svn, the get a tick.. .:-) |
| 13:49:37 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 13:50:14 | pondlife | I'll let you do 1.0.3 first. |
| 13:50:44 | Domonoky | i could build a svn windows binary for you, if you want.. |
| 13:51:06 | pondlife | Yes please, if you're not planning on doing 1.0.3 soon anyway |
| 13:51:20 | pondlife | Probably better to do a 1.0.3 though |
| 13:51:54 | pondlife | See if the Sansa problem is resolved |
| 13:52:17 | MrRichard | damn... the download jumped to 1 hour. And I've got work in the morning x) |
| 13:52:22 | Domonoky | yes, but i dont have qt correctly configured, to make a static version of rbutil...(without the need for mingw.dll) :-/ |
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| 13:52:29 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 13:52:45 | pondlife | I'll get editing then.. and testing a windows build should it appear ;) |
| 13:52:51 | Cliffer | how do i detect if i have an ipod video 5.5 or 5? |
| 13:52:52 | Domonoky | the last releases are all made by bluebrother... . :-) |
| 13:53:22 | tuplanolla | is there any way to change the low battery warning threshold in the bootloader? |
| 13:53:54 | tuplanolla | because my sansa said 40% left and it won't start up anymore without charging |
| 13:54:10 | linuxstb | Cliffer: If you run ipodpatcher, it will tell you the sector size - 512 bytes is 5g, 2048 bytes is 5.5g. |
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| 14:00:53 | MrRichard | This download is going to take a while. I'm going to take a nap. Thanks everyone so much for the help |
| 14:03:56 | pondlife | Hmm, how does the MajorChanges page use %E% to get that enhancement graphic? |
| 14:04:15 | pondlife | I'm attempting to make RockboxUtilityQt do the same. |
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| 14:06:50 | JdGordon | pondlife: arnt they just local images? rbutil should probably just have those 3 images built in also then |
| 14:07:07 | pondlife | I need to attach the graph one I think |
| 14:07:39 | pondlife | Yup |
| 14:07:43 | pondlife | Done |
| 14:08:24 | pondlife | Domonoky: Does that look ok to you? |
| 14:08:29 | JdGordon | src="/twiki/pub/Main/MajorChanges/graph.gif" |
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| 14:09:50 | Domonoky | nice |
| 14:10:15 | pondlife | Clear enough? |
| 14:10:23 | pondlife | I may have misunderstood! |
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| 14:19:20 | [1]seb | how long does it take to write 2gb to a microsd via e200? |
| 14:19:44 | [1]seb | approx.!?;P |
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| 14:20:13 | JdGordon | how long is a piece of string? |
| 14:20:20 | Domonoky | pondlife: looks nice.. |
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| 14:41:45 | JdGordon | 2 bugs fixed... whos going to challenge me in my half asleep state of awakedness..?! |
| 14:44:31 | LinusN | oh, you're at work too? ;-) |
| 14:45:39 | JdGordon | no.. i should be in bed |
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| 14:48:36 | LinusN | i get that feeling all the time :-P |
| 14:48:52 | pondlife | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8050 for number 3 ?? |
| 14:48:56 | pondlife | :) |
| 14:49:18 | pondlife | Seems to be a button action thing. |
| 14:49:37 | JdGordon | my brother has my h300, but ill hae a quick look |
| 14:49:53 | pondlife | You are allowed to sleep, should you prefer :) |
| 14:50:50 | JdGordon | or maybe not... that looks like im definatly going to need the h300 to debug |
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| 14:58:57 | JdGordon | is fs#6129 fixed? I just checked and think mob may have got it |
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| 15:01:14 | LinusN | pondlife: does it only happen with the nonlcd remote and not with an lcd remote? |
| 15:02:00 | LinusN | pondlife: and what exactly is "Toggling the remote"= |
| 15:02:01 | LinusN | ? |
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| 15:02:51 | stacks | hi |
| 15:02:54 | JdGordon | is there any reason why 7218 (coloured sliding puzzle) was never commited? |
| 15:03:07 | stacks | is there an autoplay |
| 15:03:13 | LinusN | JdGordon: my guess is lack of interest |
| 15:03:20 | LinusN | stacks: autoplay? |
| 15:03:20 | stacks | lost use of my screen |
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| 15:03:59 | LinusN | stacks: you can make it resume playback automatically, if that is what you mean |
| 15:04:15 | stacks | can' |
| 15:04:24 | stacks | t see to change directories |
| 15:04:43 | stacks | would like a way to start a playlist without having to navigate |
| 15:05:16 | hcs | you could name it AAA_AARDVARK.m3u |
| 15:05:21 | LinusN | you can generate a playlist with your pc, and then play it |
| 15:05:50 | stacks | ok so I make a play list aaa_aaa.m3u |
| 15:05:55 | LinusN | but you will have to navigate blindly to play it in the first place |
| 15:05:57 | stacks | how do I get it to play |
| 15:06:14 | hcs | well, the idea is that it's the first in the list, so you just hit select once |
| 15:06:18 | LinusN | after that, you can resume it by pressing play after starting rockbox |
| 15:06:32 | LinusN | or edit the config file to set the WPS as the startup screen |
| 15:06:56 | LinusN | you can even manually edit the .playlist_control file to make it play your playlist |
| 15:07:12 | pixelma | if you set filenames to spell, you can find that .m3u with the voice UI |
| 15:07:28 | LinusN | pixelma: good idea |
| 15:07:45 | pixelma | (or prepar voice clips, but that's a bit more involved) |
| 15:07:54 | pixelma | *prepare |
| 15:10:01 | JdGordon | haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVVbrwY8kIg |
| 15:10:10 | JdGordon | latest aussie beer ad |
| 15:12:55 | stacks | is there a step by step for voice? |
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| 15:15:45 | stacks | thanks guys |
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| 15:19:55 | JdGordon | would anyone object to adding ata_disk_is_usable() which would be true if the disk is still spinning? (or always true on flash targets) as apposed to ata_disk_is_active() which is true if the disk is actually being used) ? |
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| 15:21:19 | JdGordon | actually ignore that |
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| 15:28:06 | scorche|w | query scorche |
| 15:28:08 | The-Compiler | Hi |
| 15:28:12 | scorche|w | grrrr... |
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| 15:37:02 | Buschel | hi, can anyone give write permission to wiki? i'd like to add the current mpegplayer framerates for ipod video. |
| 15:39:09 | LinusN | hang on |
| 15:40:20 | LinusN | Buschel: done |
| 15:40:46 | Buschel | worsk, thanks :) |
| 15:40:49 | Buschel | *works |
| 15:41:19 | Domonoky | LinusN: would it be possible to provide the features file alongside the voice files on the rockbox servers ? ( to make rbutil generate voice files :-) ) |
| 15:44:06 | LinusN | Domonoky: interesting idea |
| 15:45:17 | Buschel | LinusN: finished |
| 15:46:04 | LinusN | Domonoky: i'll see what i can do about that. i'll have a chat with daniel |
| 15:46:23 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 15:49:07 | Domonoky | pondlife: could you test this rbutil version : http://www.b23.org/~domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.0.3rc.zip ? i hope i have now removed the mingw.dll depency on my build system.. :-) |
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| 15:50:33 | pondlife | Domonoky: Thanks, will play |
| 15:51:35 | pondlife | Don't know if it's been suggested, but a button to hear the configured voice talk would be useful... I guess RBUtil audio output wouldn't be simple though. |
| 15:52:05 | pondlife | i.e. To check your configuration produces the expected voice before you make the files |
| 15:52:47 | Domonoky | pondlife: would be nice.. and shouldnt be to hard, you just have to change the parameters to the tts engines.. |
| 15:53:28 | pondlife | Well you can easily produce the MP3 (or speex?) file, it's playing it back that would be new |
| 15:53:47 | Domonoky | the other (possibily easier) way would be to just generate a short wav, and play it via Qt s sound functions.. |
| 15:53:48 | pondlife | Or do all our supported TTS systems have an audio out option# |
| 15:53:50 | pondlife | ? |
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| 15:54:09 | pondlife | OK, although it doesn't test the encoder config |
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| 15:54:33 | Domonoky | so playing a generated file would be the best.. |
| 15:55:33 | pondlife | Ideally |
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| 15:55:52 | J-23 | Hello! |
| 15:56:10 | pondlife | One other improvement would be if the voice generation progress bar really showed progress - I suppose a prepass to count dirs/files would be too slow though. |
| 15:56:22 | Domonoky | hm, Qt can only play wav, on all plattforms.. |
| 15:56:33 | pondlife | OK, wav it is then! |
| 15:57:53 | Domonoky | if you have a good idea how to calculate the progress, without first reading all dirs and files... tell me :-) |
| 15:58:44 | pondlife | No, you'd have to preread |
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| 16:00:16 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Do you mean it can only play .wav files from disk, or is there an interface to play uncompressed PCM? If the latter, we could incorporate some codecs... |
| 16:01:28 | pondlife | Domonoky: p.s. Was that a debug (symbols) build of RBUtil? It was 7MB, as opposed to the previous 2.5MB... |
| 16:02:04 | pondlife | On another topic, what's the downside for H300 users having "Reduce Ticking" enabled? |
| 16:02:13 | Domonoky | i think it can only play wavfiles from disk.. |
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| 16:02:29 | Domonoky | pondlife: ah forgot to ucl compress :-) |
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| 16:02:38 | pondlife | Aha! |
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| 16:04:11 | Crash91 | hello |
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| 16:10:10 | TQuid | Ahm, anyone know how to reboot when you are stuck on a data abort and the keys don't respond? |
| 16:10:35 | scorche|w | that depends on which device you have |
| 16:10:40 | TQuid | e280. |
| 16:10:45 | TQuid | Sansa, that is. |
| 16:10:51 | scorche|w | hold the power button |
| 16:10:57 | tuplanolla | for 15 sec |
| 16:11:14 | scorche|w | holding it till it resets will work ;) |
| 16:11:16 | TQuid | Taht's a bit of a "duh." |
| 16:11:18 | TQuid | Thanks. |
| 16:11:37 | TQuid | Just not used to having to hold it that long. Now if I could just remember what the hell I was doing. |
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| 16:12:21 | TQuid | So is the infacility with USB just a Sansa thing or is that something not yet fully developed in rockbox generally? |
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| 16:13:07 | TQuid | I also find that Amarok can't quite see the device, with the OF, but I guess I'll bug the Amarok guys about that. I think it's getting in a fight with KDE somehow. |
| 16:13:41 | TQuid | Didn't help that Sansa lies like a rug on the casing−−said I had an e280r but not true! :) |
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| 16:14:25 | scorche|w | it isnt developed in rockbox for all PP devices |
| 16:14:55 | scorche|w | *yet* :) |
| 16:15:02 | Spliffer | how can i rebiuld the database? |
| 16:15:43 | scorche|w | the manual should describe that |
| 16:15:46 | TQuid | I have heard it's close! Exciting. |
| 16:16:56 | TQuid | It would be fun to be able to operate without using the OF at all. |
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| 16:19:14 | TQuid | Oh sweet. |
| 16:19:19 | TQuid | That db thing is hyper awesome. |
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| 16:19:39 | TQuid | Why the hell don't the vendors think of obvious cool stuff like this?! |
| 16:20:57 | TQuid | anyway, again, my humble thanks. Gotta get to work now. |
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| 17:07:38 | Domonoky | pondlife: do you have any idea what the tts test button should say ? |
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| 17:22:19 | Domonoky | pondlife: could you test again ? now with tts test button, in the talk file generation screen : http://www.b23.org/~domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.0.3rc2.zip |
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| 17:24:21 | pondlife | Domonoky: Yes, sorry -was away |
| 17:25:21 | pondlife | Clicking Test TTS doesn't do anything.. |
| 17:26:04 | Domonoky | really ? , for me it speaks something.. |
| 17:26:17 | pondlife | I'm using SAPI5. |
| 17:26:23 | * | Domonoky to.. |
| 17:26:44 | pondlife | Hmm. |
| 17:26:58 | pondlife | Windows Control Panel is talking ok. |
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| 17:28:28 | pondlife | Any diagnostics I could try? |
| 17:29:23 | spaceinvader | im looking for a device to play ogg and flac, and i dont really care about colour/video |
| 17:29:32 | spaceinvader | can anyone suggest anything? |
| 17:29:41 | spaceinvader | at least a couple of gig storage preferable |
| 17:30:20 | ATravelingGeek | spaceinvader: I have a Gigabeat and a Sansa and am happy with both, and they both with rockbox should play ogg/flac |
| 17:30:35 | Domonoky | pondlife: try http://www.b23.org/~domonoky/rbutilqt.exe |
| 17:31:08 | Domonoky | spaceinvader: take a look at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
| 17:31:24 | pondlife | Domonoky: Nope, not talking.. :( |
| 17:31:57 | Domonoky | strange, so qt sound doesnt fail, but no output... :-/ |
| 17:32:11 | spaceinvader | sansa looks nicer :P |
| 17:32:37 | Domonoky | pondlife: are sure its not your mixer steeings ? |
| 17:32:47 | Domonoky | settings.. |
| 17:32:47 | pondlife | Well, default WAV is audible |
| 17:33:02 | pondlife | e.g. if I go into Control Panel and test speech there |
| 17:34:07 | pondlife | I do have a spare stereo output from my audio card, but there's no reason it should use that. |
| 17:34:19 | Domonoky | strange, but why does it work for me ? could someone else here test it please ? |
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| 17:36:07 | spaceinvader | sansa e200 looks ok |
| 17:36:18 | spaceinvader | or perhaps a used h100 |
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| 17:37:06 | ATravelingGeek | spaceinvader: I have the sansa e250 (2Gb) |
| 17:37:15 | pondlife | Domonoky: Does the Qt audio interface have anyway to specify a particular output channel/device? |
| 17:37:29 | pondlife | I have multiple audio cards |
| 17:37:31 | ATravelingGeek | but I know they exist up to at least 8Gb internal storage w/ miniSD card slot |
| 17:37:46 | krazykit | it is NOT a minisd, it's a microsd slot |
| 17:37:53 | tuplanolla | e280 ftw |
| 17:37:56 | spaceinvader | hmm "No FM-tuner is available in Europe" |
| 17:37:57 | spaceinvader | wtf |
| 17:37:58 | krazykit | this is important, as they're different form factors |
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| 17:37:59 | ATravelingGeek | krazykit: er, thank you |
| 17:38:08 | ATravelingGeek | krazykit: yes, my mistake |
| 17:38:16 | Domonoky | pondlife: no, no settings for QSound, its very basic.. |
| 17:38:39 | pondlife | I have Windows restricted to the one output anyway |
| 17:38:40 | krazykit | ATravelingGeek, just wanted to make it clear, so no one goes out and buys the wrong card :) |
| 17:38:56 | ATravelingGeek | krazykit: good point |
| 17:39:08 | rasher | ATravelingGeek: and those will only be usable in Rockbox (Sansa firmware doesn't support microsdhc which is anything >2GB) |
| 17:39:12 | ATravelingGeek | Although the last two microSD cards I've bought have come with a miniSD and SD adapter |
| 17:39:33 | spaceinvader | where is the sandisk uk site? |
| 17:39:43 | spaceinvader | sandisk.co.uk still has US prices.. |
| 17:39:52 | ATravelingGeek | rasher: the 8GB was referring to internal Sansa storage |
| 17:40:02 | rasher | ATravelingGeek: ah, like that. |
| 17:40:46 | ATravelingGeek | Which will hopefully have usb support sometime soon, since the sansa firmware has weird issues with OS X tiger... haven't tried it with Leopard |
| 17:43:28 | spaceinvader | ATravelingGeek: but its fine with rockbox? :P |
| 17:43:39 | Domonoky | pondlife: i just read in the Qt docs: if QSound fails on windows, it will fail silently, no error.. :-/ |
| 17:43:47 | pondlife | Nice! |
| 17:44:03 | pondlife | Any config (or registry) to enable Qt diags? |
| 17:44:16 | ATravelingGeek | spaceinvader: Totally. I love my super-top-secret-usb-rockbox build :p |
| 17:44:46 | Domonoky | pondlife: i dont think there is any diagnostics.. :-/ |
| 17:45:31 | pondlife | Do you check isAvailable()? |
| 17:45:55 | tuplanolla | the lack of usb doesnt really matter |
| 17:45:58 | Domonoky | yes... but that always returns true on windows.. see qt docs.. :-/ |
| 17:45:58 | pondlife | Ah - always true on Windows |
| 17:46:34 | tuplanolla | because if you plug the player in when it's not turned off, it'll start the OF |
| 17:46:54 | pondlife | Domonoky: Which OS are you using? I'm on Win2K here |
| 17:47:04 | rasher | tuplanolla: really annoying to have to reboot all the time though |
| 17:47:07 | rasher | and slow.. |
| 17:47:14 | pondlife | Got XP around somewhere though - will test on that too |
| 17:47:24 | Domonoky | pondlife: i am on winXp .. maybe i should try the other method and let the tts speak directly.. |
| 17:47:42 | pondlife | If that's not too hard |
| 17:47:46 | ATravelingGeek | tuplanolla: Well, it's a bit of a hassle to get the sansa firmware to work with osx |
| 17:48:15 | tuplanolla | um, osx, what if you put the player to msc mode? |
| 17:49:20 | ATravelingGeek | Well, that works, once. Then, inorder to get Tiger to recognize it, I have to switch USB modes from MSC to the other mode and then back to MSC for it to be recognized |
| 17:49:29 | ATravelingGeek | and I'd check with Leopard but I left my cable at home |
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| 17:49:41 | tuplanolla | ok, that sounds a bit weird |
| 17:49:50 | Domonoky | hm, letting the tts speak directly is more work.. would have to rework the tts handling in rbutil a bit.. :-/ |
| 17:50:18 | ATravelingGeek | I'll try it again when I get home |
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| 18:11:57 | Spliffer | can i copy itunes playlists to rockbox? |
| 18:12:15 | Spliffer | dont say its in the manual :) |
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| 18:13:50 | Spliffer | i know where to store them, but can rockbox convert the itunes playlists? |
| 18:14:10 | BigBambi | Any people with forum modding powers around? |
| 18:14:28 | BigBambi | If so could someone change this guys name, I don't think it is appropriate http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=profile;u=13870 |
| 18:15:34 | sdoyon | Are there any freely redistributable short audio clips that I could use? I'm looking for very short beep-like sound effects, with a little more personality than pcmbuf_beep... |
| 18:16:06 | ATravelingGeek | sdoyon: you might be able to use audacity to create beeps |
| 18:16:19 | rasher | sdoyon: perhaps gnome or kde has some sound-bites? |
| 18:16:42 | sdoyon | rasher: Hmm.. right... |
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| 18:17:42 | sdoyon | ATravelingGeek: I suppose... :-) |
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| 18:27:18 | lostlogic | Nico_P: <3 |
| 18:28:07 | lostlogic | Nico_P: I hope my commit message and comments in here lay plain the issue that I hacked around, the proper solution was non-obvious to me and I had to give up |
| 18:28:44 | Nico_P | lostlogic: yeah, I need to look at it... haven't had much time today |
| 18:29:25 | Nico_P | I'll be back in 5 minutes |
| 18:29:28 | lostlogic | Nico_P: understandable −− seems you've been kinda busy lately, was part of why I decided to commit the hack, since it does solve the playback stopage w/o horrid side effects. |
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| 18:32:41 | rasher | Does sdhc work in the sansa c200? |
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| 19:02:16 | Robin0800 | Couple of things that appear to be broken now 1) Replay Gain and 2) Go to wps on startup is this due to the new buffering? |
| 19:04:23 | lostlogic | Robin0800: both of those things work fine for me, are you on the latest build? what player? |
| 19:05:45 | Robin0800 | Video ipod |
| 19:05:58 | lostlogic | and latest build? |
| 19:06:02 | lostlogic | (I have an ipod video as well) |
| 19:06:08 | Robin0800 | Build from two days ago |
| 19:06:13 | lostlogic | update. |
| 19:06:25 | Robin0800 | Could it be album art? |
| 19:07:05 | lostlogic | wait... you have album art patched onto a new buffering build!? I know nothing about that patch. |
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| 19:17:03 | pixelma | rasher: microSDs don't work on c200 at all yet |
| 19:17:15 | rasher | ah |
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| 19:24:52 | iriver120 | mine cant play music right now after i flashed to this firmware |
| 19:25:34 | iriver120 | I get the I04:IllInstr at 32EC0000 error |
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| 19:28:36 | bertrik | lostlogic: your latest commit seems to have stopped FS #8037 |
| 19:29:02 | bertrik | (from occurring) |
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| 19:51:55 | * | midgey notices that a significant amount of the log seems to be missing... |
| 19:52:34 | linuxstb | Yes, www.rockbox.org was down for a few hours last night. |
| 19:52:59 | midgey | ah, nothing gets saved during that period? |
| 19:53:07 | linuxstb | logbot runs on that server IIUC |
| 19:53:17 | * | scorche|w nods |
| 19:53:26 | midgey | well, then that makes perfect sense why it'd be gone |
| 19:53:36 | nanok | hi there |
| 19:53:37 | scorche|w | i can likely take from my logs and toss it over though |
| 19:53:49 | nanok | seem the mp3-ogg bugg is squashed |
| 19:54:43 | midgey | nanok: bertrik reported the same thing about 30 min ago, so thats two reports of the bug being gone |
| 19:59:27 | nanok | midgey: yup. that sounds good |
| 19:59:32 | markun | there is not 80GB ipod 5.5g, right? |
| 19:59:44 | markun | s/not/no/ |
| 19:59:45 | pixelma | sure there is |
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| 20:00:04 | bertrik | but is the bug really fixed or did it just disappear? |
| 20:00:10 | nanok | do we know how it happened, though? or it just got..swiped away somehow, with other changes? :) |
| 20:00:17 | nanok | bertrik: :) |
| 20:00:30 | markun | pixelma: ok, thanks |
| 20:01:35 | bertrik | this bug triggered me to look into playback.c and I noticed some fishy things there |
| 20:01:57 | linuxstb | markun: 5g was 30 or 60GB, 5.5g was 30 or 80GB |
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| 20:02:36 | Nico_P | nanok, bertrik: talking about FS #8037? |
| 20:02:41 | markun | linuxstb: strange, I wonder why not 40 and 80GB |
| 20:02:48 | bertrik | yes |
| 20:03:23 | pixelma | markun: that's the one which took longer to support - amiconn made it work shortly after devcon with the help of LinusN's 80GB |
| 20:03:40 | bertrik | 15390 made it disappear |
| 20:04:08 | nanok | Nico_P: yes |
| 20:04:19 | Nico_P | I'm looking at the commit right now |
| 20:04:31 | markun | pixelma: yes, I remember now |
| 20:06:48 | Nico_P | lostlogic: still here? |
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| 20:09:36 | BigBambi | Is it just me there are no images loading in the forums for? |
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| 20:21:53 | linuxstb | Seems fine for me, but maybe they're cached. |
| 20:22:43 | BigBambi | linuxstb: Cheers for looking. For some reason a hard refresh did nothing, but closing and reopening the tab worked |
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| 20:27:41 | nanok | Nico_P: thanks for the cleanup. terribly sorry, i will be more careful with refresh on that page |
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| 20:27:54 | Nico_P | you're welcome ;) |
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| 20:30:49 | low_light | linuxstb: do you understand how the MMAP stuff for pp5020 works? I'm looking for an interpretation of MMAP2_LOGICAL = 0x36003f00; MMAP2_PHYSICAL = 0x37002f84 |
| 20:31:13 | Crash91 | rockbox accepts mpeg format right? is that mpeg 1 or 2 |
| 20:31:25 | Nico_P | Crash91: both |
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| 20:32:01 | linuxstb | low_light: No, I don't understand them. Have you checked MrH's documents? |
| 20:32:31 | preglow | that's the finest source of documentation you'll find on the area, just check that |
| 20:33:06 | low_light | I'll look |
| 20:34:34 | nanok | i have noticed something "strange". it seems older builds are a bit hungrier for power on the sansa than the newer ones |
| 20:34:52 | Nico_P | nanok: older how? |
| 20:35:08 | nanok | especially the pre MoB ones, it seems. is this normal, or am i just imagining it :) |
| 20:35:56 | nanok | Nico_P: i understand there was a major change, regarding buffering i think, nickamed here mob |
| 20:36:09 | BigBambi | nanok: Nico_P wrote it |
| 20:36:14 | Nico_P | nanok: yes, I committed it a few days ago |
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| 20:36:22 | nanok | a build from 27/10 (just fter that change), iirc, seemed a bit more hungry |
| 20:36:38 | BigBambi | nanok: Unless you have proper battery benches from before and after there is no way of knowing |
| 20:36:39 | nanok | one before that, that i tryed today, seemed even hungrier |
| 20:36:51 | BigBambi | 'seemed' doesn't really mean anything |
| 20:37:00 | Nico_P | I'd be very interested in comparative battery benches |
| 20:37:06 | Nico_P | especially on HD targets |
| 20:37:07 | BigBambi | Absolutely |
| 20:37:07 | nanok | BigBambi: i do not, that is why i am asking. it is just the impression after "normal" usage |
| 20:37:43 | BigBambi | nanok: I'm glad it seems better, but without tests it'll just be a feeling (albeit a nice one) |
| 20:37:49 | nanok | Nico_P: my rockbox runs on a sansa (to put things in the right order ;) ), but i can do some benches, it would be interesting indeed |
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| 20:38:44 | Crash91 | mpegplayer give me a missing start packet error (or something like that) when i try to play a particular mpg |
| 20:39:05 | Crash91 | should i try using mediacoder to reconvert it? |
| 20:39:13 | BigBambi | Nico_P: I'm afraid I won't be doing them anytime soon even though I'd like to see the results, I upgraded the battery in my h100 and it lasts ~ 30 hrs, and the gigabeat I use daily :) |
| 20:39:14 | linuxstb | What format are your mpeg files? They need to be Program Streams, not avi |
| 20:39:47 | Crash91 | linuxstb: no idea...its a quicktime trailer i got from my friend...mpg so i guessed it would work |
| 20:40:19 | nanok | BigBambi: that's exactly my problem: i am addicted to it, i use it daily now, all day. really hard to make benchmarks (i could if i had a spare battery, i guess, during the night) |
| 20:40:34 | Nico_P | BigBambi: don't worry about it ;) |
| 20:40:41 | linuxstb | Crash91: Have you read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page? |
| 20:41:04 | Crash91 | linuxstb: one upon a time |
| 20:41:07 | Crash91 | once* |
| 20:41:24 | BigBambi | Crash91: You sure it isn't q mov with the wrong extension? |
| 20:41:30 | linuxstb | Don't you think a re-read would be helpful? ;) |
| 20:41:37 | Crash91 | could be...ill use mediacoder anyway |
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| 20:42:53 | Crash91 | :O its lagging for some reason |
| 20:42:58 | Crash91 | mediacoder.. |
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| 20:52:41 | Lear | Domonoky: The Sansa fix for rbutil should be identical for the ipod. Don't have any ipod to test with though... I could make a blind commit, as the change is small. |
| 20:54:47 | Domonoky | lear: would be good if someone could test it..before commiting :-) |
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| 20:59:43 | linuxstb | Lear: Do I understand correctly that the problem is that rbutil is being built as unicode (meaning CreateFile is #defined to be CreateFileW), but that sansapatcher is using ANSI filenames? |
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| 21:00:56 | preglow | there's not much point in not using unicode on windows anymore |
| 21:01:32 | * | Domonoky thinks that rbutil switched to unicode, sometime ago, to complety support l10n |
| 21:03:09 | linuxstb | IMO, sansapatcher and ipodpatcher are so similar, I would be confident with a blind commit. |
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| 21:03:34 | Domonoky | if linuxstb is confident, lear should commit it :-) |
| 21:03:37 | lostlogic | bertrik: that's interesting, wouldn't have 'spected it. |
| 21:03:41 | lostlogic | Nico_P: am back now |
| 21:04:12 | Nico_P | lostlogic: cool. the issue was that buffering of the codec would be interrupted, wasn't it? |
| 21:04:37 | lostlogic | Nico_P: no, of the file |
| 21:04:39 | lostlogic | (audio file) |
| 21:04:52 | Nico_P | oh |
| 21:05:06 | lostlogic | at least that was the particular one that I was resolving |
| 21:05:11 | lostlogic | but codec could also trigger it now that I think of it |
| 21:05:22 | * | bertrik looks into buffering.c |
| 21:05:22 | lostlogic | any time there was a request for data larger than file_chunk it could happen |
| 21:05:30 | lostlogic | which spc, nsf an codecs will do |
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| 21:06:09 | linuxstb | How big is file_chunk? |
| 21:06:12 | lostlogic | 32k |
| 21:06:23 | lostlogic | (on targets with > 1m ram iirc) |
| 21:06:32 | Nico_P | lostlogic: but the request doesn't say the required size |
| 21:06:37 | linuxstb | That's odd - I thought codecs were written to only expect a maximum of 32KB. |
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| 21:06:57 | lostlogic | linuxstb: nsf and spc violate that if so, which I'm pretty sure could lead to future bugs with wrapping the buffer |
| 21:07:02 | linuxstb | (i.e. GUARDBUF_SIZE) |
| 21:07:05 | lostlogic | linuxstb: because guardbuf is only 32k :) |
| 21:07:06 | lostlogic | righ |
| 21:07:08 | lostlogic | t |
| 21:07:17 | Nico_P | lostlogic: these formats can't wrap IIUC |
| 21:07:31 | Nico_P | and they need the whole file to be present |
| 21:07:52 | lostlogic | Nico_P: well currently nothing prevents them from wrapping afaics |
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| 21:08:23 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
| 21:08:23 | Nico_P | that's true. they should be bufopened with a special type |
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| 21:08:26 | Nico_P | STREAM |
| 21:08:32 | linuxstb | Hmm, nsf just requests the entire file - so it's not obeying the current API... |
| 21:08:44 | lostlogic | linuxstb: spc does same according to hcs |
| 21:09:12 | linuxstb | How big are nsf and spc files ? |
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| 21:09:32 | nanok | it seems that bug that caused mp3's to stop in the middle of playback rubbed off on ogg's also |
| 21:09:38 | nanok | with the latest build.. |
| 21:10:14 | nanok | anybody noticing the same (i've only been playing with it for an hour or so, and it just happened for the first time) |
| 21:10:23 | Nico_P | lostlogic: what I don't get is what was preventing the buffering from doing more than a filechunk? |
| 21:10:35 | hcs | linuxstb: where is the API documented such that it says not to request the entire file? |
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| 21:11:13 | linuxstb | hcs: I don't know, but a single call to request_buffer is only guaranteed to return a minimum of 32KB. |
| 21:12:15 | lostlogic | Nico_P: I can only presume that yield_codec() immediately returns true |
| 21:12:34 | Nico_P | lostlogic: yeah but buffering should resume at some point |
| 21:12:35 | lostlogic | Nico_P: my guess is that another event gets written to the buffer ~simultaneously to the buffer_handle |
| 21:12:50 | lostlogic | Nico_P: yeah, I can't figure that out either −− that's what I'd hoped you would know |
| 21:12:59 | lostlogic | because it should just hit that file again in the buffering loop |
| 21:13:05 | * | lostlogic not know |
| 21:13:19 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:13:26 | * | Nico_P smells a race conditions |
| 21:14:31 | linuxstb | hcs: Imagine if your file was loaded at the end of the audiobuffer, and wrapped. The guard buffer (32KB) is there to provide a known minimum size that can be returned. |
| 21:14:49 | mrkiko | Why FS #8003 disappeared from the web-site? Or it's just i CAN'T FIND IT? |
| 21:15:15 | hcs | linuxstb: understood, it's just hard to know any of this without reading through the thoroughly inscrutable playback code |
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| 21:15:28 | mrkiko | oh... |
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| 21:15:32 | mrkiko | sorry for the caps-lock |
| 21:15:37 | Nico_P | lostlogic: what do you think is sending the buffer handle request? |
| 21:15:54 | lostlogic | hcs: don't talk bad about the playback code... among that inscrutability is sentience and it hears all. |
| 21:16:07 | lostlogic | Nico_P: I _know_ that the buffer_handle request is sent in bufgetdata |
| 21:16:14 | lostlogic | hcs did some detective work to determine that |
| 21:16:41 | Nico_P | that's not possible |
| 21:16:53 | lostlogic | hcs: huh? |
| 21:17:02 | Nico_P | bufgetdata returns ERR_DATA_NOT_READY if data isn't ready |
| 21:17:07 | lostlogic | er not hcs, Nico_P |
| 21:17:23 | Nico_P | bufgetdata doesn't request more data, it lets the caller do it |
| 21:17:24 | lostlogic | er maybe it's codec_request_buffer_callback |
| 21:17:29 | Nico_P | that sounds better :) |
| 21:17:40 | lostlogic | ok then it's codec_request_buffer_callback −− yeah, that's where hcs had his debugging :) |
| 21:18:37 | Nico_P | this one sends only on request for handle buffering, so if it gets aborted it could wait a bit long for the data |
| 21:19:21 | lostlogic | Nico_P: yeah, which is why I just introduced that force flag, realistically though, the right thing might be that we need to fix the codecs to only request filechunk of data at a time |
| 21:19:26 | lostlogic | because then the bug just goes away on its own |
| 21:19:32 | Lear | linuxstb: Yes. Hence the compiler warning I saw (for Sansa only...) about a bad pointer. |
| 21:20:05 | hcs | lostlogic: I recommend returning an error rather than locking up... |
| 21:20:08 | Nico_P | lostlogic: so the ogg codec asks for too much? |
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| 21:20:09 | linuxstb | Lear: So ipodpatcher doesn't give a warning? Are the gcc flags the same? |
| 21:21:00 | lostlogic | Nico_P: unsure, it shouldn't, forgot about that side of the buglet |
| 21:21:08 | linuxstb | hcs: I agree, these things need to be documented. I discovered it a couple of years ago when talking to Slasheri about my ALAC codec... |
| 21:21:11 | Lear | linuxstb: Didn't say that... :) It must've scrolled by when I was busy with other stuff. |
| 21:21:12 | lostlogic | hcs: yeah, we should do limits checking and return an immediate error |
| 21:21:15 | * | Nico_P also doesn't get why the problem only showed on the sansa :/ |
| 21:21:27 | Lear | linuxstb: Oh, sorry. |
| 21:21:54 | Lear | I haven't buildt ipodpatcher. |
| 21:22:19 | linuxstb | I mean when you build rbutil - I'm assuming you only got the sansapatcher warning when doing an rbutil build? |
| 21:22:37 | Nico_P | I'll be back in about 1/4 of an hour (hopefully this time it'll be true too) |
| 21:23:08 | Lear | Yes, rbutil got the warning. I only saw it for sansa, but that was more luck than anything. I just happened to see it as it scrolled by. |
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| 21:24:06 | Lear | Checked now, and yes, same warning. (No surprise there.) |
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| 21:28:00 | amiconn | linuxstb: Thatnks. In fact my technique isn't difficult to understand, you'll see when I'll commit it |
| 21:28:35 | amiconn | Will still take some time because I need to split the yuv_blit helper function in order to make yuv_blit work properly again |
| 21:28:54 | linuxstb | Is lcd_yuv_blit running on the COP an issue? |
| 21:29:05 | amiconn | nope |
| 21:29:25 | preglow | jmspeex: are N and M in qmf_synth always going to be multiples of eight? |
| 21:29:32 | amiconn | I will now test my shiny new dualcore safe update tick, including the anti-bcm-lockup measure |
| 21:32:43 | linuxstb | Nico_P: (When you're back) Have you thought about how to deal with files that require a contiguous area of the buffer? |
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| 21:37:22 | linuxstb | hcs: Is there a maximum size for an nsf file? |
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| 21:38:45 | lostlogic | linuxstb: there are several data types on the buffer that aren't allowed to wrap already |
| 21:38:54 | lostlogic | for that matter only audio is allowed to wrap currently |
| 21:39:06 | lostlogic | so we'd just hafta give another type for "this is audio that must not wrap" |
| 21:39:51 | linuxstb | get_metadata() could determine that. |
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| 21:40:23 | lostlogic | linuxstb: sure, it's no problem from a playback side, just there isn't such a type on the buffering API yet |
| 21:41:46 | lostlogic | linuxstb: it would probably actually work to just lie to the buffering API aobut the type of file for NSF/SPC |
| 21:41:53 | linuxstb | BTW, what can't wrap at the moment? |
| 21:42:36 | lostlogic | linuxstb: as of now we only wrap audio data, everything else is forced |
| 21:42:51 | lostlogic | so I guess that means codecs and id3 are not wrapped |
| 21:43:26 | linuxstb | I would have thought codecs could wrap. |
| 21:43:47 | lostlogic | linuxstb: they are currently requested as a unit, that could be changed, but it hasn't yet |
| 21:44:12 | lostlogic | hmm, or are they done with a read instead of a get |
| 21:44:37 | linuxstb | They _should_ be read IIUC. |
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| 21:45:26 | lostlogic | it's a bufgetdata right now |
| 21:45:38 | lostlogic | playback.c 367 |
| 21:46:45 | lostlogic | ah, needs to be called fromt he codec_load_ram function instead |
| 21:46:47 | linuxstb | Are the semantics of bufgetdata and bufread defined anywhere? |
| 21:46:57 | WarWolf | so whats up with svn build now, get "*panic* stkov audio" on my x5 currently :( |
| 21:46:58 | lostlogic | linuxstb: not that I've seen |
| 21:47:14 | lostlogic | WarWolf: works fine for me :-P |
| 21:47:39 | WarWolf | had some time over so i made a new build, first in months :) |
| 21:48:00 | linuxstb | So based on the old playback engine, bufgetdata() is guaranteed to return 32KB, unless the handle refers to something that is marked as "no wrap", in which case it will return the whole file? |
| 21:48:01 | lostlogic | WarWolf: you use patches? |
| 21:48:10 | WarWolf | don't work so well, yesterday build archive works fine tho |
| 21:48:19 | WarWolf | yea i do use album-art |
| 21:48:23 | linuxstb | And bufread() will provide the whole file? |
| 21:48:26 | WarWolf | don't work without it |
| 21:48:42 | lostlogic | bufread copies to a dest pointer and will provide as much as it has available up to size |
| 21:49:05 | linuxstb | Ah, so it won't block until the whole file is read? |
| 21:49:07 | lostlogic | bufgetdata will not return unless it fails or can satisfy the whole request, which is the result of the current loops, because it gets into a never satisfy |
| 21:49:11 | lostlogic | right |
| 21:49:31 | lostlogic | still though codec_load_ram should be able to use bufread to read out the codec |
| 21:50:07 | linuxstb | So it's up to the caller to check the return value of bufread, and keep calling it until the whole file is read? |
| 21:50:21 | lostlogic | yeah, just like a read() |
| 21:50:31 | * | Nico_P is back |
| 21:50:35 | linuxstb | Wouldn't it be simpler to make it block until all the data is available? |
| 21:50:35 | WarWolf | ahhh seems current build from webpage don't work either so it's just not my build atleast :) |
| 21:50:58 | lostlogic | WarWolf: something specific to x5? |
| 21:51:12 | WarWolf | dunno i only got the x5 :) |
| 21:57:48 | preglow | amiconn: where did you find details on the arm9 pipeline? |
| 21:58:44 | amiconn | Same page as the arm7 stuff... |
| 21:58:59 | preglow | on the arm site? |
| 21:59:08 | amiconn | http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0210c/Chdbedbg.html |
| 21:59:23 | amiconn | This is arm920t, i.e. gigabeat F/X |
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| 22:00:11 | jmspeex | preglow: yes |
| 22:02:02 | preglow | jmspeex: goodie, i just unroll some stuff here and there |
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| 22:05:02 | MrRichard | Hello all. |
| 22:05:15 | MrRichard | I just installed VMware player and I'm trying to compile some patches |
| 22:05:22 | MrRichard | but I have basolutely no idea what to do... |
| 22:05:41 | scorche|w | MrRichard: that is what the wiki is for :) |
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| 22:06:07 | linuxstb | MrRichard: How far have you got? Have you compiled a normal Rockbox build (without patches)? |
| 22:06:09 | MrRichard | I've just been up all night reading the wiki and all the guides. |
| 22:06:15 | MrRichard | I've never compiled |
| 22:06:33 | MrRichard | In any case I've gotta' leave for work so I'll be back to pester the kind souls of #rockbox later. |
| 22:07:03 | MrRichard | but before I do leave, which file do I delete to delete my database files on the player? |
| 22:07:20 | linuxstb | As scorche|w said, the wiki has lots of instructions for compiling... |
| 22:07:45 | rasher | MrRichard: .rockbox/database* |
| 22:08:08 | MrRichard | it has plenty of instructions, I just lack any knowledge in the area and find some of it hard to follow. |
| 22:08:10 | MrRichard | rasher: thanks |
| 22:09:07 | nanok | MrRichard: unless you are some kind of security guard or something, i am worried how you can work if you were up all night .. |
| 22:09:10 | nanok | :) |
| 22:09:22 | MrRichard | Lots of coffee |
| 22:09:38 | WarWolf | when does the "daily build" build? |
| 22:09:40 | MrRichard | Heck, I'm only a breakfast chef. Who cares what their eggs look like ;) |
| 22:09:49 | rasher | WarWolf: midnight utc, I believe |
| 22:09:56 | WarWolf | ok, ty |
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| 22:10:20 | nanok | MrRichard: "just do like i do, sir, and in the morning you won;t even be able to see the damn eggs" |
| 22:10:22 | nanok | :) |
| 22:10:29 | linuxstb | I thought it was closer to around 6am UTC... |
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| 22:11:28 | MrRichard | nanok: well I'm off to mangle some poor soul's bacon. Thanks for the help so far :) |
| 22:11:31 | webguest68 | where can i download the e200r bootloader |
| 22:11:38 | * | linuxstb checks the timestamps and now agrees with rasher ;) |
| 22:11:48 | lostlogic | linuxstb: any interest in rewriting codec_load_ram to directly talk to the buffer so that codecs can be allowed to wrap in the new world order? |
| 22:12:04 | webguest68 | never mind, i don't need it |
| 22:12:11 | preglow | jmspeex: gonna try porting that stereo code to fixed point now |
| 22:12:22 | rasher | linuxstb: I'm not too sure now.. http://haxx.rockbox.org/daily/recorder/ |
| 22:12:53 | linuxstb | rasher: Yes, I was looking at a mirror... |
| 22:13:11 | | Part low_light |
| 22:13:16 | rasher | definitely not midnight.. perhaps 02:00 utf |
| 22:13:26 | Bagder | 6am CET iirc |
| 22:14:01 | rasher | Bagder: the timestamps on haxx. seem to disagree |
| 22:14:12 | rasher | I assume that's where they show up first? |
| 22:14:19 | Bagder | well |
| 22:14:21 | linuxstb | Depends what timezone they're in - haxx could be UTC |
| 22:14:23 | Bagder | there's more to it |
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| 22:14:40 | Bagder | the builds are built on a different server and rsynced over to the download master |
| 22:14:57 | Bagder | and on the build server they are done starting 6am our time zone |
| 22:15:02 | nanok | rasher: wouldn't "crontab -l" be an easyer way to figure it out? :) |
| 22:15:30 | lostlogic | my server pretends to be in PDT even though the physical box is probably in EDT yay timezones |
| 22:15:30 | rasher | So now we need to know what MrRichard wanted to know.. when they are built, or when they are available |
| 22:15:35 | linuxstb | Bagder: Maybe it's worth adding that info to the daily builds page? |
| 22:16:07 | Bagder | well, I think publishing the svn rev number is more important |
| 22:16:12 | Bagder | the exact time won't help a lot |
| 22:16:13 | rasher | Looks like they might be available an hour early some days (presumably because the build server finished faster?) |
| 22:16:14 | WarWolf | just trying to track down whats the problem with last current build for my x5, not that many changes to source tho |
| 22:16:47 | * | amiconn wonders why rsync would mangle time stamps |
| 22:17:00 | linuxstb | Bagder: I still think it's nice to know - you can't have too much information ;) |
| 22:17:00 | Bagder | rasher: the download server rsyncs them every 20 minutes during 5 hours every morning |
| 22:17:04 | lostlogic | amiconn: it's mroe that it doesn't mangle them −− they keep the origin server's stamp |
| 22:17:08 | amiconn | That said, I never used rsync, but I'm used to the fact that copying files keeps correct timestamps |
| 22:17:18 | amiconn | eh? |
| 22:17:31 | linuxstb | The default with "cp" is to not preserve the timestamps... |
| 22:17:34 | amiconn | So why are they different from 6:xx cet then? |
| 22:17:50 | amiconn | linuxstb: Odd... |
| 22:17:56 | Bagder | there's not |
| 22:18:01 | Bagder | they're |
| 22:18:11 | lostlogic | amiconn: build starts at 5 cet, runs on a server where it's 1300pst, copies back with a 1300 timestamp |
| 22:18:19 | amiconn | [22:14:05] <rasher> Bagder: the timestamps on haxx. seem to disagree |
| 22:18:20 | Bagder | I mean, they say 06:xx on the download server locally as well |
| 22:18:38 | Bagder | yes, but he's wrong |
| 22:18:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: I think it's logical - the copy was created at that time, but I always use "-p" to preserve timestamps. |
| 22:18:40 | rasher | amiconn: not really. If you're copying a file, you're creating a new one - not moving the old one. It makes perfect sense to me. |
| 22:19:11 | Bagder | well, the last builds seem to go at around 07:00 cet |
| 22:19:17 | amiconn | lostlogic: Well, I'm used to the ntfs way of copying files. Ntfs is timezone aware, so timestamps are still correct even if you copy files from a server in cet to server in pst, or wherever |
| 22:19:29 | WarWolf | ok, seems like the last changes to settings_list.c makes my x5 crash when i play a mp3 |
| 22:19:49 | WarWolf | reverted it to last version seems like everything works just fine now |
| 22:20:00 | amiconn | linuxstb: I'm also used to having 3 timestamps: creation time, last modification time, and last access time |
| 22:20:13 | amiconn | Copying a file touches the 1st and the 3rd, but not the 2nd |
| 22:20:34 | amiconn | And the 2nd is what file browsers show by default... |
| 22:20:45 | rasher | amiconn: creation time is especially yucky, since many modifications are actually done by creating a new copy, then moving it back, so the filesystem has to do all sorts of guessing as to whether this is a new file or not |
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| 22:20:55 | Bagder | and "last access" is a great performance killer ;-) |
| 22:21:02 | lostlogic | noatime ftw |
| 22:21:03 | amiconn | Is it? |
| 22:21:07 | Bagder | it is |
| 22:21:27 | Bagder | most *nix systems have it as well |
| 22:21:29 | lostlogic | amiconn: forces an actual disk write on every read, specially bad on journaled file systems |
| 22:21:42 | amiconn | There are caches... |
| 22:21:50 | rasher | And especially bad on systems where the file is in cache, but the disk is spun down |
| 22:21:50 | lostlogic | amiconn: journals are not cached |
| 22:22:38 | linuxstb | WarWolf: So you've confirmed that r15389 is fine, but r15390 and later freeze? |
| 22:22:59 | linuxstb | WarWolf: Sorry, add one to those numbers... |
| 22:23:08 | lostlogic | linuxstb: did that change introduce an additional level of indirection? |
| 22:23:23 | amiconn | So far I didn't see any negative impact due to last access time handling... I don't even know if it's disableable in windows, and even if it were, I probably wouldn't |
| 22:23:48 | WarWolf | hold on need to check on revs |
| 22:23:56 | nanok | amiconn: if you have caching on your journal (it can happen), you can get in a lot of trouble |
| 22:23:57 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Which change? |
| 22:24:22 | nanok | or so i've heard |
| 22:24:28 | WarWolf | im running 15142 |
| 22:24:59 | nanok | amiconn: the performance penalty for atime is hardly visible on a workstation. it is there, but you cannot actually feel it, most of the time |
| 22:25:14 | lostlogic | amiconn: the one that warwolf thinks causes his breakge −− he mentioned an audio stkov |
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| 22:25:57 | preglow | why the yellow? gcc bugs? |
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| 22:26:06 | linuxstb | always ;) |
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| 22:26:17 | lostlogic | er that last line was to linuxstb |
| 22:26:54 | linuxstb | lostlogic: I'm not sure what commit WarWolf is referring to any more... |
| 22:27:24 | WarWolf | not commit, file reversion :) |
| 22:27:31 | lostlogic | amiconn: http://solaristhings.blogspot.com/2006/08/filesystem-benchmarks.html <−− shows at least some of the performance impact of atimes (and also shows how it hurts smoe filesystems but not others) |
| 22:27:34 | WarWolf | revision* |
| 22:27:52 | lostlogic | WarWolf: no such thing as a file revision :) only repository revisiosn, which are commits. |
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| 22:28:42 | scorche|w | well, there are file revisions in some SCMs... |
| 22:29:30 | lostlogic | scorche|w: not modern ones :-P |
| 22:29:30 | WarWolf | well reverted last changes to settings_list.c |
| 22:29:47 | linuxstb | scorche|w: And importantly, not our one... |
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| 22:30:18 | WarWolf | yea it's just svn, makes me confused |
| 22:30:23 | WarWolf | not used to it |
| 22:30:33 | amiconn | Ah, it can be disabled for ntfs as well... but if it's really just a few percent, I'd rather keep it enabled |
| 22:30:35 | linuxstb | WarWolf: If you're running r15142 (which is old), why do you think it's the settings_list.c change? |
| 22:30:48 | * | scorche|w = pedantic... |
| 22:31:18 | WarWolf | downloaded the old settings_list.c and replaced old the one from last commit, and now it works fine |
| 22:31:22 | * | lostlogic pees on your dang tick |
| 22:31:39 | * | scorche|w frowns |
| 22:31:45 | WarWolf | the settings_list.c was from the 15142 commit |
| 22:31:46 | * | scorche|w vows revenge |
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| 22:32:08 | linuxstb | WarWolf: Have you tried an official build, or just your own builds? |
| 22:32:24 | WarWolf | last daily build don't work |
| 22:32:30 | WarWolf | yesterdays works just fine |
| 22:32:35 | linuxstb | That commit to settings_list.c doesn't look as if it would affect playback... |
| 22:32:49 | lostlogic | neither that one nor the one at 15141-15142 do. |
| 22:32:53 | linuxstb | And the last daily build was made before that settigns_list change. |
| 22:33:11 | n17ikh|Lappy | hooray for rockbox |
| 22:33:13 | WarWolf | it could as it don't scroll any titles before u start to play an mp3 |
| 22:34:49 | * | preglow continues with his barrage of speex commits |
| 22:35:46 | jmspeex | preglow: are you just adding assembly or are you modifying existing files (except for the stuff that disables the encoder)? |
| 22:36:03 | linuxstb | WarWolf: Yesterday's daily build was r15381, and the previous one was r15370 - so the troublesome commit must be in that range. The settings_list.c change was 15391 |
| 22:36:18 | linuxstb | I meant today's daily build was r15381... |
| 22:36:27 | WarWolf | yea ofc :) |
| 22:37:12 | linuxstb | preglow: You don't want to "svn rm" the files you remove from SOURCES ? |
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| 22:39:13 | WarWolf | current daily build is r15392 for me |
| 22:39:39 | WarWolf | so it must be between r15381 and r15392 |
| 22:39:51 | linuxstb | No, that' the current "current build"... |
| 22:40:10 | linuxstb | (or was, 30 minutes ago...) |
| 22:40:24 | WarWolf | still is |
| 22:40:39 | WarWolf | ahh sry that was the build that did not work |
| 22:40:53 | WarWolf | did not read on the page :/ |
| 22:41:07 | WarWolf | just thought there was daily builds no current |
| 22:43:08 | n17ikh|Lappy | arglbargl |
| 22:43:17 | n17ikh|Lappy | this is what I get for using a pre-patched branch |
| 22:43:31 | n17ikh|Lappy | I have no idea if these behaviors are default for the rockbox on the e200 series or not :/ |
| 22:45:03 | preglow | linuxstb: no |
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| 22:45:27 | preglow | linuxstb: i might want to make speex encoder |
| 22:48:05 | jmspeex | preglow: if you have a decoder-only version of Speex linked in, it might be hard to add just the encoder. |
| 22:48:43 | nanok | n17ikh|Lappy: ? |
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| 22:50:23 | n17ikh|Lappy | I'm using the cpchan branch on the e200, but I've never used rockbox (or the OF, even) on the e200 so I don't know if the behaviors are silly patches done by the maintainer of the branch or not |
| 22:50:34 | n17ikh|Lappy | like, the player becomes useless when you plug a usb cable in |
| 22:50:43 | nanok | n17ikh|Lappy: what behaviours? |
| 22:50:59 | nanok | n17ikh|Lappy: that one s normal :) usb support isn;t ready yet |
| 22:51:16 | n17ikh|Lappy | I'm not talking about mass storage |
| 22:51:21 | nanok | n17ikh|Lappy: for file transfers, use the of, |
| 22:51:23 | preglow | jmspeex: the encoder won't be linked in |
| 22:51:23 | n17ikh|Lappy | I'd like it to just charge |
| 22:51:37 | n17ikh|Lappy | but it displays a usb-cable icon and becomes useless |
| 22:51:50 | preglow | jmspeex: all our regular encoders and decoders are plugins, the speex decoder will be the sole exception, thanks to tackling voice ui |
| 22:51:58 | nanok | for limited charging while playing, hold the middle button while plugging in (rockobox), but in my experience you will not get a full charge |
| 22:52:03 | rasher | n17ikh|Lappy: reading the manual would help you here - ther'es some button you can hold to avoid that |
| 22:52:08 | nanok | for a full charge, again, use the OF :( |
| 22:52:18 | n17ikh|Lappy | thanks, nanok |
| 22:52:41 | preglow | can someone please give me the name of a linux audio editor that actually works? don't mention audacity, that can't even bloody cut a stereo wav file without corrupting it |
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| 22:52:54 | nanok | n17ikh|Lappy: np. rasher is right too, allthough i found it the hard way, myself (good old trial and error) |
| 22:52:56 | linuxstb | dd? |
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| 22:53:30 | preglow | linuxstb: kinda hard to find cut points with it, but if it did have a waveform view, i'd go for it :> |
| 22:53:34 | nanok | preglow: try rosegarden, audacity is..something else :) |
| 22:53:51 | nanok | linuxstb: :-D |
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| 22:53:59 | preglow | i thought rosegarden was a sequencer |
| 22:54:05 | n17ikh|Lappy | still, the behavior where it boots into the OF if you plug in a usb cable when it's off is sort of nice |
| 22:54:12 | n17ikh|Lappy | because that way you can do the mass storage thing right away |
| 22:54:27 | n17ikh|Lappy | with my h10, you have to hold down the select button while booting for "emergency mode" or whatever |
| 22:54:44 | nanok | preglow: i am far from being able to understand these terms fully, but i think, iirc, rosegarden should do it for you |
| 22:54:51 | jmspeex | preglow: I mean that if you want to load the encoder plugin, you might actually end up with two copies of the common code/data |
| 22:55:03 | * | linuxstb uses dd to edit ac/3 files - lots of fun ;) |
| 22:56:00 | amiconn | n17ikh|Lappy: With the ums firmware, the H10 also just enters USB mode when powering on with usb plugged |
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| 22:56:26 | preglow | jhulst: yeah, we'll just have to live with that |
| 22:56:29 | preglow | ehh |
| 22:56:35 | preglow | jmspeex: yeah, we'll just have to live with that |
| 22:56:50 | n17ikh|Lappy | ums firmware? |
| 22:57:02 | preglow | jmspeex: that really can't be helped anyway, we can't share data/code between core and a plugin |
| 22:57:04 | amiconn | There are 2 firmwares for the H10, ums and mtp |
| 22:57:10 | n17ikh|Lappy | oh |
| 22:57:15 | n17ikh|Lappy | like, the actual bootloader |
| 22:57:24 | amiconn | The mtp firmware only does "emergency" ums mode |
| 22:57:32 | n17ikh|Lappy | I see |
| 22:57:37 | n17ikh|Lappy | where can I get said firmwares? |
| 22:57:38 | jmspeex | preglow: did you say you want to do a voicec ui using Speex? |
| 22:57:40 | n17ikh|Lappy | the actual rockbox site? |
| 22:57:41 | amiconn | On the small H10 you can choose which one to install |
| 22:57:45 | n17ikh|Lappy | oh |
| 22:57:49 | n17ikh|Lappy | I don't have the small h10 |
| 22:57:59 | n17ikh|Lappy | I've got the beefy-h10 |
| 22:58:09 | preglow | jmspeex: aye |
| 22:58:14 | amiconn | The H10 pure is only mtp officially, but can be hacked to use the standard H10 (small) firmware. YOu' |
| 22:58:24 | n17ikh|Lappy | I see |
| 22:58:24 | preglow | jmspeex: basically just using it to decode all our voice clips used for menu navigation, etc |
| 22:58:27 | amiconn | ll get an unusable radio menu, but that's it |
| 22:58:38 | n17ikh|Lappy | well, I might give my h10 to a friend since I've bought a sansa e260 |
| 22:58:42 | amiconn | Hmm, not sure about the big H10 |
| 22:59:02 | n17ikh|Lappy | so I'll leave the original mtp firmware on there |
| 22:59:14 | n17ikh|Lappy | since he's not the type to use rockbox |
| 22:59:20 | * | nanok is unsure about giving any rockboxable iriver for a sansa.. |
| 22:59:45 | n17ikh|Lappy | well, I'm still playing with the sansa, it just came today |
| 22:59:47 | nanok | allthough i do like the sansa a lot |
| 22:59:50 | n17ikh|Lappy | it's a lot smaller, that's for sure |
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| 23:00:00 | n17ikh|Lappy | the H10 is a brick |
| 23:00:15 | n17ikh|Lappy | too bad there's no rockbox for the 2g nano, I'd really be in business then |
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| 23:00:28 | amiconn | Well, you can't really compare hdd and flash players wrt size |
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| 23:00:31 | n17ikh|Lappy | but, the nano I have is only 2 gigs, which is lame |
| 23:00:42 | amiconn | For a flash player, the e200 series is quite bulky |
| 23:00:46 | rasher | The h10 is a brick? What's the h120 then, or *gasp*, the archos? |
| 23:00:55 | n17ikh|Lappy | the archos? a turd >_> |
| 23:01:01 | * | amiconn would prefer the c200 when he had to choose a sansa |
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| 23:01:13 | nanok | real men like bricky players |
| 23:01:20 | nanok | size denotes reliability |
| 23:01:26 | nanok | size and weight |
| 23:01:35 | n17ikh|Lappy | or just that it's a previous-gen player |
| 23:01:42 | nanok | in the imortal words of boris :) |
| 23:02:22 | n17ikh|Lappy | see, if I'm gonna have a player as big as the h10 it needs to be at least 300gb >_> |
| 23:02:31 | nanok | "if it doesn;t work, at least you can allways beat yourself with it" |
| 23:02:43 | n17ikh|Lappy | this is true |
| 23:02:51 | n17ikh|Lappy | also, I find the sandisk usb cable hilarious |
| 23:03:00 | n17ikh|Lappy | why can't these people just use a standard mini-usb B jack? |
| 23:03:14 | n17ikh|Lappy | the dock connector thing is as big as the whole bottom of the player |
| 23:03:16 | nanok | n17ikh|Lappy: don;t even get me started :( |
| 23:03:27 | n17ikh|Lappy | even the iriver's connector is smaller |
| 23:03:36 | n17ikh|Lappy | and it has that weird two-cable thing going on |
| 23:03:38 | nanok | n17ikh|Lappy: i think it would be nice to move this to -community though |
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| 23:03:46 | n17ikh|Lappy | there's a -community? |
| 23:03:56 | nanok | n17ikh|Lappy: see /topic |
| 23:04:06 | n17ikh|Lappy | new addition? |
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| 23:04:46 | preglow | jmspeex: should all fixed point math in speex be signed? |
| 23:06:01 | jmspeex | preglow: I believe so. Why? |
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| 23:06:23 | preglow | jmspeex: just wondering, seems some of the stereo stuff just needs unsigned ints |
| 23:06:40 | preglow | but i'll stick to signed ints |
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| 23:07:49 | lostlogic | preglow: I think that your recent commits trimmed 11k off of the rockbox.zip |
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| 23:08:11 | preglow | lostlogic: trimmed around 25kb++ off speex.codec, so not unlikely |
| 23:08:16 | jmspeex | preglow: yes, anything that is float should be converted to signed int, even if you know it's positive |
| 23:08:20 | preglow | delta table for zip size, please! :P |
| 23:08:26 | lostlogic | preglow: :) |
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| 23:13:55 | nanok | hm, that bug which makes mp3's stop while playing _is_ now definetly "working" with ogg also |
| 23:14:14 | nanok | is there a flyspray entry for that allready? |
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| 23:16:45 | lostlogic | nanok: I don't think so, do you have a repeatable test case, or is this still a "it'll happen if I play long enough" thing? |
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| 23:17:31 | nanok | lostlogic: it's still random and unpredictable :( |
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| 23:17:50 | nanok | if i convince it to play the same song again it will even play it fine the second time |
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| 23:20:10 | * | preglow misses floats :/ |
| 23:20:34 | lostlogic | nanok: yeah, that makes sense unfortunately |
| 23:21:19 | lostlogic | nanok: I forget what is the status of the buffering thread when this bug strikes? |
| 23:21:33 | lostlogic | nanok: is usefl close to zero or high? |
| 23:22:12 | preglow | jmspeex: what would be a torture test for the stereo decoder? |
| 23:22:27 | preglow | jmspeex: just something panning wildly between channels? |
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| 23:27:11 | nanok | lostlogic: hm, i shamefully have to admit i wouldn't know how to check that |
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| 23:28:45 | lostlogic | nanok: when it stops playing hit menu, system, debug, buffering thread |
| 23:28:57 | lostlogic | nanok: and just report the vaules of the four sliders in there |
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| 23:38:22 | jmspeex | preglow: There's no real "torbute" test for that. Just check on the "middle" case an on the extremes (completely left or right) |
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| 23:41:30 | preglow | not really friendly code for fixed point, this |
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| 23:44:03 | jmspeex | why? |
| 23:45:09 | jmspeex | preglow: you know that you can replace exp() with a 16-entry table right? (because the input is an int with 16 values possible) |
| 23:46:04 | jmspeex | bbl |
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| 23:47:57 | amiconn | linuxstb: around? |
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| 23:48:34 | * | amiconn has a patch that should receive some testing on an old G5 before commit |
| 23:48:44 | amiconn | Buschel: around? |
| 23:49:02 | Buschel | amiconn: yep, just read all the news in the log :o) |
| 23:49:13 | Buschel | you've got it? |
| 23:49:25 | amiconn | Yup, it works now |
| 23:49:53 | Buschel | even for the blit-stuff? |
| 23:49:54 | amiconn | Including proper core locking, resolving occasional bcm stalls, and yuv blitting fixed |
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| 23:50:06 | Buschel | great! |
| 23:50:17 | Buschel | what are the fps`s? |
| 23:50:19 | amiconn | http://amiconn.dyndns.org/lcd-video.diff |
| 23:51:07 | Buschel | checking... |
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| 23:51:34 | amiconn | 80MHz: lcd_update 101fps (full), 391.5 fps (1/4), yuv_blit: 27.3fps (full), 108fps (1/4) |
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| 23:52:11 | webguest57 | how do i install a patch on a bootloader? |
| 23:53:02 | Buschel | wow, thats exactly what was expected when removing the 14ms :) |
| 23:53:21 | Zagor | webguest57: if you don't know, you don't want to do it |
| 23:53:29 | amiconn | Yes, but my patch does never miss to make updates visible :) |
| 23:54:18 | webguest57 | someone gave me a bootloader and a patch. i need to know how to use that patch on the bootloader |
| 23:55:00 | amiconn | And it fixes the occasional bcm stall (frozen gui) |
| 23:55:03 | preglow | but yuv blit cannot be further optimized? |
| 23:55:58 | linuxstb | amiconn: Let me switch computers... |
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| 23:56:16 | webguest57 | this is my post and the problem i am having. http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21649 |
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| 23:56:42 | webguest57 | If you read this, you will know what i mean |
| 23:56:51 | krazykit | that's not supported here |
| 23:57:09 | krazykit | it's an unofficial bootloader, and #rockbox only supports official builds and bootloaders |
| 23:57:42 | webguest57 | okay, sorry for asking |
| 23:57:46 | amiconn | Buschel: That code still contains my test indicator for bcm stall: If it resolved a bcm stall, the backlight will light up |
| 23:57:46 | * | lostlogic tests amiconn's patch because it sounds cool |
| 23:58:17 | amiconn | Just 2 if()'s which will be removed before commit |
| 23:58:37 | webguest57 | but you can't tell me how to patch a bootloader? |
| 23:58:50 | amiconn | Compiling it throws a warning because I was too lazy to #include "backlight.h" just for this test... |
icon identifies that the person is a core developer (has commit access).