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#rockbox log for 2007-11-08

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00:15:11markunpreglow: ping
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00:17:22linuxstbmarkun: Any luck with FLAC?
00:17:27preglowmarkun: oy
00:17:56markunlinuxstb: well, that's why I was pinging preglow
00:18:13*linuxstb shuts up then ;)
00:18:19preglowwhat flac?
00:18:37markunpreglow: there have been some algorithmical optimisations to the lpc code of the ffmpeg flac decoder
00:18:44preglowyeah, i noticed
00:19:03markunnot sure if it's useful to you and if the assembly versions were based on the old code or not
00:19:34markunthis is the biggest change:
00:20:30linuxstbIs that in the 24-bit codepath?
00:20:45preglowit's based on the old code for sure
00:21:30markunpreglow: so, shall I update the C version? might be good for new platforms anyway
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00:22:03preglowwell, sure, just make sure to test it
00:22:09markunI will
00:22:20preglowi don't get what this optimization really does
00:22:59linuxstbmarkun: Are you sure that's used for 16-bit files?
00:23:00markunlinuxstb: do we just abort the decoding when there is an error in the file?
00:23:28linuxstbI can't remember, but I expect so.
00:23:33markunlook for "> 16"
00:24:08linuxstbAh, so ffmpeg's if is the opposite way round to ours?
00:24:15markunlinuxstb: yes
00:24:19preglowlooks like it just decode two samples at a time
00:24:36markunlinuxstb: shall I make it more like the ffmpeg code?
00:26:03preglowi think someone actually popped up and posted some asm code for this kind of optimization
00:26:13preglowi think i concluded i wouldn't bother
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00:27:00markunpreglow: it looks like it gives quite a speedup: "50%/67%/43% faster on core2/k8/p4, making flac decoding overall 24%/25%/11% faster"
00:27:39markunbut maybe we will have different results on our targets of course
00:29:55preglowmarkun: i can imagine it does on compiled code, but not for our asm code
00:30:21markunpreglow: ok, then I'll just leave it like this.
00:30:36preglowanyway, i just can't be bothered to tweak flac any further
00:30:48preglowit's more than fast enough as it is
00:33:34markunI'll only commit this: "Add decoding support for variable block size FLAC files using the latest FLAC
00:33:38markunspecification. Patch by Josh Coalson."
00:35:39*linuxstb looks
00:37:11*linuxstb doesn't find...
00:37:18markunlinuxstb: I guess he didn't commit the compiler changes yet
00:37:46markunlinuxstb: what's can't you find?
00:38:05linuxstbIt's OK, I found it - the last change to flac.c
00:39:06preglowi wonder why he'd want to vary block size
00:39:41linuxstbI don't know if it's related, but I think he's working on improving FLAC with 24-bit files.
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00:40:07markunI guess I could also commit this one:
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00:41:43markunat least test it to see if there are any speedups
00:42:52linuxstbI think you will need to encode a file with -0 to test that one.
00:43:32markunor maybe -l0 ?
00:43:50markunfrom flac −−help: "-l, −−max-lpc-order=# Max LPC order; 0 => only fixed predictors"
00:44:47markunlinuxstb: maybe a big part of the speedup was already from changing from s->decoded[channel][i] to decoded[i]
00:45:00markunwhich we already have anyway
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00:59:12markunlinuxstb: my -l0 test file has some artifacts when decoding it with rockbox
01:00:00markunI get them as well when decoding with ffmpeg
01:00:25preglowmarkun: where they there before your updates too?
01:00:56markunpreglow: probably, but I haven't tested with -l0 before
01:01:28markunbut I can check
01:01:29preglowi find it hard to believe that files using only fixed predictors are broken
01:01:40preglowordinary files use those _a lot_
01:02:28markunI can give you a testfile if you want
01:02:55markunit decodes fine with flac 1.2.1, but not with svn ffmpeg or rockbox
01:03:17markunnow trying our flac decoder from before my commits
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01:05:44markunpreglow: the file is unplayable without my commits (it's a 24-bit file with flac 1.2.1)
01:06:11linuxstbSo you're testing a 24-bit -l0 file?
01:06:25linuxstbStop being difficult ;)
01:06:49preglowahh, right
01:06:59preglowffmpeg people would probably be interested if you can find out what is wrong :>
01:08:16markunthe sample it driving me nuts. I should find something better as a testfile :)
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01:09:24*hcs suggests Bach
01:09:51markunhcs: do you have a link to some 24-bit samples of bach music?
01:10:29hcsmarkun: I could find one in a few minutes and then say "yes, as a matter of fact I do," but at the moment, no.
01:10:57preglowbad showmanship!
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01:11:59alleleokay, I just made a new virtualbox with ubuntu breezy badger installed and already did 'apt-get install build-essential' and am installing all of now. anything else I'll need to compile rockbox?
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01:12:28markunpreglow, linuxstb: did you listen to my sample?
01:12:47markunor not really in the mood for crying babies? :)
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01:13:17preglowi tried, but vlc didn't cope with it
01:13:38preglowflac -d vomited as well
01:13:45preglowso i guess it's new indeed
01:13:59markunlatest rockbox has almost no problems with it :)
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01:15:17preglowthere is one glitch at the start
01:15:21preglowand then a couple of others...
01:15:40markunyes, you get them as well with ffmpeg
01:15:50preglowoooh, segfault
01:16:00markunI didn't get that
01:16:05preglowa couple of tries and that's what it did at the start glitch
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01:16:51preglowin flac_decode_frame
01:17:28preglowin some bitstream.h function
01:18:37pregloweh, it line 106
01:18:43preglowwhich isn't called, afaik
01:19:32markunI also got a segfault now
01:19:36preglowyes, yes it is
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01:20:31preglowmarkun: it crashes in either get_sbits or get_bits, afaik
01:20:59markundo you think it's related to the artifacts?
01:21:33preglowwell, since it crashes at one of them i'd be surprised if not
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01:23:55preglowbut i need to get some sleep
01:24:06markunyes, I should do that too
01:24:13markungood night
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01:25:33karashatalostlogic: I dunno how, but, FLAC's working for me now
01:25:51karashataorrrr not...
01:26:16karashatait works fine if it resumes playback in the middle of a file, but not if it plays from the beginning of one
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01:28:30lostlogickarashata: ahhh, interesting + useful
01:28:37karashataby the way
01:28:46lostlogicprobably does relate to my stripping of leading tags then...
01:28:50lostlogicbut why.. why???
01:28:59karashatatesting build 15466 and FLACs work fine
01:29:07lostlogicwait... wtf?
01:29:10karashatagonna test 15492 a sec
01:29:17lostlogicnow you make me crazy
01:29:44karashatathis does seem odd, doesn't it?
01:30:26*lostlogic frowns
01:31:03karashata15493 was the oldest build I had backed up, so if 15492 works we know which build it was that it broke at
01:31:14lostlogickarashata: *nod*
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01:31:38karashatadata abort trying to switch tracks
01:31:45lostlogiclol, sweet.
01:32:33karashataso it was somewhere between 15466 and 15492, then
01:32:59lostlogickarashata: yeah, unfortunately it appears that some builds between there were just plain broken ;)
01:33:23karashatain any case, it's a start
01:33:35karashatawe can't blame it on your stripping the tag data, though
01:34:04karashatatime to study the SVN commits and try to figure which seems most likely, work from there
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01:35:04lostlogicyeah, I'm inclined toward the dropping of conf_filechunk setting as my first guess
01:36:13lostlogickarashata: do you have a way to read the maximum frame size of your flacs?
01:36:40karashatanot that I know of
01:37:16lostlogicyou a windows user?
01:37:24lostlogiccuz if so I don't know of one for you either :-P
01:37:52lostlogicbut you said that this happens when starting any of your flacs right? all ripped with wmp?
01:37:58lostlogicer winamp
01:38:37karashataactually, the only FLACs I know the source of are the VotL ones I encoded from the WAVs packed in the torrent...
01:38:49karashataand I encoded those ones with Goldwave
01:39:05karashataI can check some of the other FLACs and see if they're all causing it
01:39:29karashatathough that means putting the recent build back on there
01:39:38karashataI've got 15466 on it for now...
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01:41:36karashataoh, hey, my VotL files play
01:41:53karashatathough it skipped the first one completely and started with the second, had to skip it back
01:42:00karashatabut, it plays fine
01:42:38karashata3 and 4 skipp and it goes to 5...
01:43:21karashataokay, we have issues...
01:43:44karashatasometimes it plays, sometimes it skips a bunch of tracks
01:44:00karashatacan't even reproduce it skipping the same tracks
01:44:47karashatagonna let it play through instead of manually changing tracks, see if it jumps over a bunch on its own
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01:49:59karashatahmm, playing through seems to be okay, it didn't skip over the second track after the first finished
01:50:53karashatametadata for track three doesn't show up in the WPS, though that's probably because of the MoB thing and not showing metadata for the next track after the last track in the buffer
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01:51:51karashatathough forcing a disk read doesn't seem to fix that like it used to, oh well...
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01:56:22karashataokay, manually skipping through the tracks causes it to jump forward over a bunch of tracks, but letting them play through doesn't cause any issues
01:56:51karashatatrack three follows track two no problems, though I'm still not getting my next track info
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02:02:41karashatamy Enigma FLAC files don't have any problems, no skipping tracks or freezing the player
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02:03:43karashataI found one that doesn't play back, the player responds to button presses until I try to stop it
02:05:32karashatathough that only happened once, can't seem to reproduce it
02:06:20karashataI'm gonna check something...
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02:11:02webguest24rockbox is shit!
02:11:16webguest24it fucked my ipod up bad
02:11:21webguest24dont install it!
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02:11:31Mouser_XSorry, but chances are that *you* were the one that did that...
02:11:32pabswebguest24: haha
02:11:47Mouser_X(Belive me, there's 100s of reasons to believe you're at fault here.)
02:12:01webguest24fuck this
02:12:07webguest24shit I just cracked my ipod screen
02:12:15Mouser_XLike I said.
02:12:20Mouser_XUser error.
02:12:30Mouser_X(Rockbox can't crack your screen...)
02:12:36safetydanwebguest24: perhaps if you just asked politely for help you might find your iPod is not, as you said, "fucked". Though now you've cracked the screen...
02:12:41webguest24I threw it across the room...
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02:13:07Mouser_XWell, if you were intending to break it, then that's a good way to do it.
02:14:23billeniumMay i suggest prying it open?
02:14:24*jhMikeS thinks someone forget to take their lithium today
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02:16:03safetydanGentleman, we have a problem. Rockbox rocks is only slight ahead of Rockbox sucks in googlefight.
02:16:12safetydan(and gentlewomen)
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02:16:41jhMikeSdon't forget the intersexed community :p
02:16:55safetydanfine, fine, gentlebeings then
02:17:21jhMikeSah, yes...sounds sort of ET-ish now...I like that ::)
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02:18:20Llorean11,000 results is "slightly"?
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02:19:49jhMikeSummm...I just saw it just from 38,000 to 56,700 "rockbox sucks". /me detects fraud.
02:19:51JdGordon11000 results? it 330000 hiegher here...
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02:20:31Mouser_XI saw 32,000 vs 390,000 or so.
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02:20:41safetydanInteresting. I only saw 38000 vs 44000
02:20:51jhMikeSThe suck number went up by 20,000 in a few seconds
02:23:09LloreanI see 56.7k for sucks, 43.8 for rock
02:23:24LloreanIt seems... kinda... random
02:23:39LloreanIf I reload I get different results
02:23:49jhMikeSwhere do these numbers originate?
02:24:15Mouser_XQuick question: Is there an alarm feature for Rockbox that, if running/playing music, I can set the alarm to go off every x number of minutes? I'm asking for work related reasons...
02:24:18LloreanGoogle results, supposedly
02:24:27LloreanMouser_X: Not that I know of, no.
02:24:31jhMikeSyeah, now it's 56,700 sucks to 43,800 rocks
02:24:49*Llorean wonders if the metronome can be set in minutes per beat instead of beats per minute
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02:26:13jhMikeSLlorean: why? that's not very musical unless you like really slow songs. :)
02:26:42LloreanjhMikeS: Mouser_X wanted a noise every certain number of minutes?
02:26:58Mouser_XPretty much, yes.
02:27:56Mouser_XI guess I could try that (I need to wait for my Gigabeat to charge.)
02:28:18LloreanHow precise does it need to be?
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02:28:33LloreanYou could always just insert a noise at certain points in your playlist. :-P
02:29:24jhMikeSyeah, make a WAV file exactly the length you need and loop it
02:29:34LloreanjhMikeS: Well, he wanted it while listening to music.
02:29:59jhMikeShmm...metronome won't do that since it uses the PCM
02:30:19jhMikeSneed to use the audio beep or something
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02:32:58jhMikeSis this to make a cooking timer ? :)
02:33:18billeniumYou know what would be awesome... a Rockbox PC OS
02:33:33JdGordonnot at all!
02:34:02billeniumwhy not?
02:34:14billeniumnot at me
02:34:21JdGordonyes at ou
02:34:26billeniumwhy not?
02:34:29JdGordonthats a stupid ideea!
02:34:31JdGordonrockbox is crap
02:34:52jhMikeSis hasn't gotten to crap status yet...still at BoS
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02:40:03allelesilly question, but does it matter where is when I execute it?
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02:42:27jhMikeSit should at the very least be located on a machine capable of executing it...beyond that, no idea
02:43:14allelehehe, well so far I made a virtual box and installed ubuntu breezy badger on it
02:44:06allelethen ran 'sudo apt-get install build-essential' and now working on sh'ing the rockboxdev file from my home folder
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03:01:15Divadmilswill ther eever be a 2nd generation nano rocbox version?
03:01:31Divadmilsjust wondering
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03:02:08webguest92does rockbox support 2nd gen nano?
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03:02:26Mouser_XDid you see the front page? It says no.
03:02:34Mouser_X(And it's fairly hard to miss.)
03:03:06webguest92mouser was that at me?
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03:03:55webguest92oh jk
03:04:05webguest92it says 1st and 2nd gen ipods
03:04:09webguest92got confused
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03:04:23allelethat's understandable
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03:08:51alleleokay, finnished the, little rusty on setting PATH though
03:09:53krazykitallele, if you're using bash, the wiki should tell you
03:10:28krazykiti had to do it differently for zsh, but only because i didn't know the right way.
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03:21:54alleleokay, I tried setting up the path, but now it seems I can't use bash commands besides cd
03:22:45safetydanallele: sounds like you overwrote your path rather than appended to it
03:23:03allelecould be a definate possibility
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03:24:31alleleheh, so do I need to wipe my ubuntu virtual machine and start from scratch?
03:25:05krazykitallele, did you edit .bashrc?
03:26:06alleleno, I did export PATH=/usr/local/sh-elf/bin:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin:usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH
03:26:48krazykitif that's all you did, logging out and logging back in should clear that.
03:26:49safetydanwell if you did that you shouldn't have had that problem
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03:28:06allelewell that's all I did, I literally can go through all the commands done in terminal so far
03:28:59alleleactually no, the first time I did that I didn't end with a :$PATH
03:29:05krazykitthat's your problem
03:29:12krazykitlog out and log back in, then export it properly
03:29:47alleleokay, by properly you mean with the :$PATH at the end then?
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03:38:32alleleokay it seems to be compiling nicely now, least so far so good. thanks for all the help
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04:12:02lostlogickarashata: still around?
04:12:42karashatamessing around with FLAC stuff, I finished reencoding them all to settings I actually know work
04:13:00karashatajust putting them back on my player to test them
04:13:01lostlogicso different FLAC settings change it or a different codec?
04:13:14karashatadifferent FLAC settings
04:13:54lostlogicgotcha, I'm going to go over the code changes from 66 to 93 and see what it says to me
04:13:55karashataI used a slightly higher compression, it seems, manages to shave off a few hundred kilobytes
04:14:58lostlogicand when it refuses to play them, I forgot −− does it freeze? or can you still hit stop and then play something else w/o resetting?
04:15:15karashatait had frozen completely
04:15:49karashatathe backlight would still power off at the timer setting, but the player refuses to respond to anything
04:17:14karashataoh, nice!
04:17:24karashataI fixed the issues with my Weird Al tracks
04:17:34lostlogicby reencoding them with different flacs!?
04:17:43*lostlogic frowns
04:17:46karashatajust a better compression rate
04:18:08karashataI suspect my encoder is a little more recent than the encoder that was used originally
04:18:22*lostlogic mutters
04:18:28lostlogicso it's some weird kind of race
04:18:42karashataI don't know
04:19:35karashatain any case, now the only issue I know of is the issue with my VotL tracks jumping ahead occasionally when I skip them manually
04:20:55karashataVoices of the Lifestream, an OC Remix album
04:21:25karashataI encoded the WAVs into FLAC to preserve audio quality and cut down on space requirements
04:21:40karashatatossed the MP3s since they were encoded at 160 kbps
04:22:32lostlogic"jumping ahead"?
04:23:15karashataoccasionally it'll skip over anywhere from 1 to 5 tracks entirely when I manually skipped to the next or previous track
04:23:22lostlogickarashata: would you mind emailing me the same track in new flac?
04:23:34karashatasure, 1 sec
04:23:49lostlogicoh, mrkiko was complaining about something similar is that on latest latest build
04:24:33lostlogicI'm trying to compare the metadata to see if there is some obvious difference to work from.
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04:24:59karashatacome to think of it...
04:25:08karashatathat may be why they're working for me now
04:25:30karashatamy audio editing software may save the metadata differently from Winamp
04:26:49karashatathen again, if that were the case, it shouldn't have found the metadata Winamp saved, so maybe not
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04:30:27rosco_pcHello I just registered for the wiki (username RobSchmersel). Can some-one help me get write permission?
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06:56:27Mouser_XHere's another neato one:
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07:13:50*amiconn almost doubled lcd update speed on mini g2
07:14:20amiconnIt glitches at 80MHz though, so we'd have to switch... but that's still useful
07:15:15psycho_maniacgreat job
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07:18:41jhMikeSamiconn: yep?
07:18:56amiconnAny PP5002 news?
07:20:23jhMikeSSorry, no. It's on my TODO list after I get past some other stuff done and I'm back in HW poke mode.
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07:22:09jhMikeSamiconn: I take it that the OF disassembly there will be easier to read? I hope so...if I need it.
07:22:42amiconnImo it is. Less code, and less optimised
07:23:21amiconnOn ipods, disassembling the rom is often more helpful than disassembling the OF itself
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07:24:00jhMikeSPP5002 doesn't even have mailboxes? If not, they can just be imitated.
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07:24:07amiconnThe rom is significantly smaller, and there is the test mode with nicely named functions
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07:24:24amiconnThat's how I found the backlight brightness on G5
07:24:41jhMikeSTest mode? How to get there?
07:25:13amiconnOn G3?
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07:25:37jhMikeSbtw, running mpegplayer with an uncached disk buffer has no real effect on speed either which is good for playback on COP.
07:25:41jhMikeSYeah, G3
07:25:47jhMikeSI suppose the Wiki has that info?
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07:26:25amiconnI don't know...
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07:26:48amiconnIt's a button combo you have to press right after reset
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07:27:32amiconnSorry it's called diag mode
07:27:38*jhMikeS will go dig up what he can and push buttons randomly otherwise :P
07:28:03amiconnOn G4 and up I know the combo, but G3 and earlier are different
07:29:31amiconnAH. First reset: Menu+Play. Then press Left+Select+Right
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07:31:34jhMikeSOn G3 reset is Hold On, Hold Off, Menu+Select
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07:32:29Hate|LoveThis rockbox utility program is a piece of crap :/
07:32:32jhMikeSamiconn: they 2nd combo worked squeaked and showed a backwards apple
07:36:29Calcipherhm, should I update the bootloader I'm using on my sansa, the one I'm using is maybe 3 or 4 weeks old
07:36:53CalcipherI remember someone telling me there were some improvements
07:38:18Calcipherwhere is the updated bootloader found? or is it the updated one that is referenced in the installation manual
07:38:23Hate|Lovethe qt version refuses to load my ipod
07:38:31Hate|Loveor even allow me to install rockbox
07:39:23Hate|Loveit says "unsportted install method" and doesnt install
07:40:29amiconnjhMikeS: You should see a menu then, with various diagnostic tests. Very slow to operate
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07:41:38jhMikeSamiconn: yes, it got to that. more twitchy to operate than slow though.
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08:56:41amiconnMoB now has problems the first versions didn't have
08:57:01amiconnThere are pcm underruns during buffering
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09:04:04GodEater_is it still just Nico_P working on it ? Or are other people getting their hands dirty now too ?
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09:26:48funglisttried to add some patches, can't load rockbox.ipod says to reboot then select+play but select+play does nothing.. and i cant get a usb connection anymore, any ideas how to fix it? :s
09:27:48linuxstbYou need to press and hold select+play immediately after your ipod reboots.
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09:28:49funglistsweet.. fixed, thanks.. was a bit worried there
09:29:08linuxstbNo need to worry, no matter what you do, that key combination will always work.
09:30:02funglistany clue as why im getting all these FAILS when trying to compile that double click+scrub patch?
09:30:27linuxstbThe usual reason is that the patch is out of date and needs updating for the current version of Rockbox.
09:31:20GodEater_you'd usually see the FAIL when you applied the patch mind you - long before you compile
09:32:23*linuxstb wonders why so many people are posting to the forums thinking that they have an e200r but don't...
09:33:08GodEater_it's a fad
09:33:11GodEater_they'll get over it soon
09:33:14Bagderthey're refurbished
09:33:23Bagderthey actually say Rhapsody on the player
09:33:34Bagderon the back of it
09:34:52GodEater_is it possible to tell them apart during install ?
09:35:06GodEater_i.e. get e200rpatcher to say "This isn't an R - use sansapatcher instead" ?
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09:35:25linuxstbYes, I was thinking that, but it would mean putting all sansapatcher functionality in e200rpatcher.
09:36:00linuxstbI'm hesitant to combine them, because e200rpatcher requires you to install usb drivers - but maybe they're only needed if an e200r is detected...
09:36:44linuxstbAh, but sansapatcher won't detect the e200 if it's in manufacturing mode...
09:37:36linuxstbIsn't there anything different about the OF we can just ask users to check?
09:37:37GodEater_do they both use the same USB identifiers when in manufacturing mode ?
09:37:48GodEater_yes - the rhapsody channels
09:37:53linuxstbI don't know, but I would guess they do.
09:37:59Bagderi would guess so too
09:38:21linuxstbIn fact, they do - e200tool works for both.
09:38:39GodEater_boo hiss
09:38:48linuxstb(and afaik, e200tool just checks for one pair of IDs)
09:39:26Bagderyes 781/720
09:41:09Zagorstrings can differ even within the same id. might be worth checking.
09:42:06linuxstbDoes the c200 also work with e200tool?
09:42:11Bagderit does
09:42:46linuxstbSo same IDs there as well then...
09:43:01linuxstbBagder: Do you know how many BL versions there are for the e200?
09:43:05linuxstb(and do you have them all?)
09:43:17BagderI have them all
09:43:26Bagderbut I don't know how many different there are
09:43:39BagderI would have to run a little script
09:44:28linuxstbCould you try comparing, for example, the first sectors with the first sector of the e200r BL and see if they're all different? We could CRC the first sector and compare against a known list of e200 bootloaders...
09:44:52jhMikeSamiconn: you said you tried void * in cfft.c to fix the warning. Did you try any intermediate cast to intptr_t? That's also a nice way to get around the whining about type-punning when you really mean it (besides unions).
09:45:24*Bagder edits a little script
09:46:44linuxstbHopefully sandisk have abandoned the e200 and won't release any more firmware versions...
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10:08:34BagderI find 8 different e200 BL files
10:09:25barrywardellI downloaded 28 OF versions from somewhere...can't remember where though
10:09:33BagderI have them all
10:09:42Bagderbut I extracted all .rom files and md5sum'ed them
10:09:51barrywardellah, cool has them all (but I do too on my site)
10:10:47barrywardellah, yes. is where I got them
10:11:02barrywardelldid you notice the 1.03.07 version has 3 .rom files?
10:11:43*GodEater_ notices Bagder's food website, and would love it to be ported to english :)
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10:12:56BagderGodEater: I can understand that, but I think food culture, recipes and stuff limits the "internationalization" of it
10:13:35barrywardellI know pribootLoader.rom goes on the flash, but where do the other two go?
10:13:48BagderI don't know
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10:15:31GodEater_Bagder: did you make the source available then ?
10:15:46GodEater_or is that mostly swedish too ?
10:16:10Bagderno, but I'm considering doing that - it is only partly swedish
10:16:38GodEater_I'd be interested in a copy if you get round to it
10:16:45GodEater_Mrs GodEater would likely love it
10:18:46*GodEater_ notices his tab cleanup patch is still awaiting approval
10:20:51Bagderlinuxstb: all BL files differs from the e200r one within the first 0x40 bytes
10:22:00linuxstbSo a CRC of the first sector would work...
10:22:46linuxstbHmm, the e200rpatcher app already has a CRC check for the sector it's patching, so maybe we should just calculate the CRCs for the same sector in the e200 bootloaders...
10:23:04rosco_pchello, I registered for the wiki today (username RobSchmersel) and was wondering if somebody could help me getting write permission?
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10:25:08preglowwhat, view has both a pp _and_ a bigger arm core?
10:25:21Bagderyes so it seems
10:25:41Bagderor possibly that is a PP with a bigger core
10:25:42preglowthe pp seems kind of pointless
10:26:04Bagdersince it seems to mention PP6010
10:26:10BagderPP6110 even
10:27:32GodEater_rosco_pc: Done
10:27:46Bagderlots of people even have Views by now
10:27:54Bagderbut not a single dissect yet
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10:29:09preglowBagder: are there any docs for that.....
10:29:15Bagderyeah right
10:29:24Bagdernvidia + portalplayer makes a lovely docs combo
10:29:37rosco_pcGodeater: Thanks :)
10:30:44preglowi'm starting to want a new target, now
10:30:49preglowsomething with docs...
10:31:13*GodEater_ mentions a certain SOC vendor who were careless with their datasheets
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10:31:49markunpreglow: want to do some more flac debugging today?
10:31:58preglowmarkun: no time today, at least not until tonight
10:32:13GodEater_what's broken with flac ?
10:32:43markunGodEater_: I have a 24-bits fils encoded with -l0 which gives some artifacts
10:33:03markunthey also happen with the latest ffmpeg, but not with the official flac decoder
10:33:25*GodEater_ doesn't use flac himself however
10:33:34*markun neither
10:33:45markunit was just a test
10:34:49linuxstbBagder: Can you run this program on all the e200 bootloaders? - it calculates the crc of the sector that e200rpatcher patches.
10:36:14GodEater_any debian/ubuntu experts have any clue why my box at home (rebuilt the other day with ubuntu 7.10) is now unable to install anything ? I get told I need to run "dpkg −−configure -a", and this fails with an "ldconfig (bus error)"
10:36:24GodEater_running ldconfig manually does the same thing
10:37:12markunlinuxstb, preglow: the decode_subframe_fixed optimisation gave a 0% improvement with testcodec in the sim, didn't test on target yet
10:38:37linuxstbpreglow: I'm starting to get tempted by the Cowon D2, (dual ARMs) in spite of the touchscreen...
10:38:43Bagdersince the various BLs are used for multiple firmware releases, it doesn't make much sense to try to point to what version they belong
10:38:58linuxstbOK, so there were duplicates in your list?
10:39:13markunjust 0x4e6b038f
10:39:32Bagderlinuxstb: yes, 28 firmware releases, 8 different BL files
10:40:27preglowlinuxstb: touchscreen :/
10:40:45Bagderhm right there's a duplicate in that list
10:41:42Bagderbut they have different md5s when run on the entire file
10:41:50preglowit supports ape by default
10:42:10linuxstbpreglow: "in future firmware upgrade" - I don't know if it actually does...
10:43:02linuxstbAnd somewhere I read "APE supported compression levels: TBD"
10:43:15preglowgod knows why they even bother
10:43:25linuxstbI often think the same...
10:44:20preglowi'd support aac before ape, that's for sure
10:44:38linuxstbI guess there are license costs with aac...
10:45:28preglowstorage in this thing isn't really impressive
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10:45:57preglowhow much are they?
10:46:14linuxstbThey're not that cheap either I think. But they have a SD slot of some kind.
10:46:37preglowsd isn't really high capacity
10:46:41preglowbut at least they're cheap
10:47:08preglowhmm, i guess a touch screen might actually be somewhat fun...
10:47:26JdGordon_which dap?
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10:47:42preglowwhat core did they have, again?
10:48:37Bagder"dual core ARM926EJ-S + ARM946ES 300MHz, 96K SRAM, video hardware accel"
10:48:49linuxstbIn the UK at least, you can buy a D2 with DAB radio (plus FM)
10:48:55preglowwith dab?
10:48:58preglowthat's tempting...
10:49:02JdGordon :D
10:49:09JdGordonso much for that then :p
10:49:28Bagderhahah, there won't be a touch screen ipod? ;-]
10:49:47JdGordona year ago though... so maybe apple missed that memo?
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10:52:23JdGordonany objections to putting the song rating into a list like a setting so we can get rid of that aweful inline hack for the menu?
10:59:40preglowwow, the cowon site flash guarantees me that the d2 is invincible
10:59:55preglowalso that it'll dominate me visually
10:59:56GodEater_who are you going to send it up against to confirm this ?
10:59:58linuxstbTell that to the people at iaudiophile...
11:00:00Bagdersurely they know those things!
11:00:09preglowwith powerful endurance...
11:00:24preglowturns out this'll be more than just a coding experience, then
11:01:23Lynx_preglow: if it will dominate me visually, does that mean girls will want to invite the D2 up for coffee, not me?
11:01:36preglowLynx_: almost certainly :/
11:02:04preglowLynx_: lucky for it it's got a stand
11:02:20preglowand don't even try to make me think of that stylus
11:02:25Lynx_hmm, i guess i should wait for a rockbox on it then so i can get an ugly theme
11:03:06linuxstbThe OF also runs Flash of some kind...
11:03:57Lynx_ah, it's a flash player
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11:06:09Lynx_what's the url of the device list / table on i can never find the link on the docs wiki
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11:07:11Bagderthe DeviceChart ?
11:07:55Lynx_ah, thanks
11:08:24Lynx_hmm, it's not even so hard to find in the docs index, sorry
11:08:38XytovlHello, I saw that the Cowon D2 is not supported yet, could you tell me how I could help porting Rockbox to the device ? I have a few programming skills (but not much experience) but I have never programmed drivers
11:09:16XytovlI saw that there is a thread to the forum but I don't understand much of what they say :(
11:09:37Lynx_hmm, 91 g for the D2 is really light compared to hd based
11:09:41GodEater_anyone recommend an OSS alternative to audacity ?
11:09:55preglowXytovl: we're discussing it right now
11:10:10preglowGodEater_: no, i haven't been able to find a single good editor
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11:11:02GodEater_preglow: that's a bugger
11:11:07GodEater_audacity doesn't even run here
11:11:09GodEater_it just crashes
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11:12:15linuxstbXytovl: At this stage, it needs someone with low-level programming skills and the ability to reverse-engineer things from the original firmware to start the port and start writing drivers for the hardware components.
11:12:56Xytovlwell, I don't have this kind of experience, I have some theory basis
11:13:20GodEater_preglow: Have you looked at glame ?
11:13:22preglowlinuxstb: fancy, we can use java on the d2 :P
11:13:25preglowGodEater_: nope
11:13:32*GodEater_ tries it out
11:13:50preglowGodEater_: it looks absolutely horrid
11:13:55pondlifejhMikeS: Thanks for fixing the oggmalloc warning
11:14:02*preglow wants cool edit :/
11:14:06GodEater_preglow: probably is - but also probably good enough for what I want
11:14:23pondlifeJdGordon: Bit slow, but no - I'd prefer the song rating in a list
11:14:33markunXytovl: you can learn it while trying to help out
11:16:26Xytovlmarkun: I would be glad to help, do I have to join a mailing-list or something like that ?
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11:17:05markunI think most of the discussion will be in here
11:17:15markunlinuxstb: did you order your D2 yet? :)
11:17:28XytovlI already have it
11:17:36BagderXytovl: here, the dev mailing list and the forums are good places to hang out to catch the action
11:17:46XytovlIt was hard to change my Archos Juckebox 600 anyway :'(
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11:19:13Lynx_How much sense would rockbox in it's current form make on a touch screen device? I guess the interface would have to be partly rewritten to even allow 'clicking' on folders to enter them?
11:19:36BagderLynx_: JdGordon has been working on that already for the mrobe500
11:19:37pondlifeLynx_: It's underway
11:19:41pondlifeSpeak to JdGordon
11:20:03Lynx_ah, wow
11:20:13XytovlEven if there are many things to rewrite for the touchscreen I guess most of rockbox code is useful
11:20:34Xytovland we can't make a touchscreen interface worse than the original one ...
11:22:56GodEater_preglow: ?
11:25:27preglowlooks decent enough, at least
11:27:09rasherpondlife: I see you committed root dir setting for the sim, but didn't change buffers to be larger than MAX_PATH - this could give trouble
11:27:47pondlifeHow come? All uses of it are snprintf-truncated
11:28:03rasherYes, but I mean functional trouble
11:28:33rasherIn the case where the root argument eats up, perhaps half of MAX_PATH or more
11:29:01GodEater_preglow: or this one :
11:29:02pondlifeThe underlying file system won't support more than MAX_PATH anyway, so how could it work?
11:29:06GodEater_preglow: tell me when you want me to stop ;)
11:29:17preglowsweep malfunctions badly at whatever it does
11:29:31rasherpondlife: if the underlying file system is FAT - surely other filesystems might?
11:29:33preglowand sounds like crap
11:29:52pondliferasher: Ah, I thought MAX_PATH was a limit we used anyway
11:30:04pondlifeI mean, we already truncate elsewhere, no?
11:30:12GodEater_preglow: there's also "protux" - but I'm not sure what state it's in
11:30:50preglowGodEater_: i just found out cool edit installs fine in wine, so i'm good
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11:31:11GodEater_cool edit is free ?
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11:31:26rasherpondlife: Yes, but previously there was only a small problem (the 6 characters or "archos")
11:31:32preglowGodEater_: no
11:31:37preglowGodEater_: but it's good
11:31:56preglowat least it was, before adobe got their mitts on it
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11:32:03pondlifeI thought that starting to support MAX_PATH * 2 in the "physical" layer would confuse more. Anyone using −−root (there won't be many) should be aware of the MAX_PATH limit.
11:32:30pondlifeI certainly don't want to risk general Rockbox buffers (e.g. in dircache) being MAX_PATH*2.
11:32:43pondlifeThey should all probablly be MAX_PATH+1, though
11:33:07rasherI suppose that's fine
11:33:20pondlifesnprintf doesn't null-terminate if we use the whole buffer, does it? That'll need a bit of mess...
11:33:57pondlifeI'd like the sim-specific dircache code to vanish if possible, so we only differ at a POSIX level.
11:35:19jhMikeSsnprintf should always NULL terminate
11:36:14pondlifeI had a sudden guess that it would be like strncpy and not do the termination if the dest buffer was full.
11:36:15jhMikeSthe NULL is supposed to count towards the limit
11:36:52GodEater_how does strncpy know ?
11:37:54pondlifeAm I wrong? I though that char dest[5]; strncpy(dest, "12345", 5); would not leave dest null-terminated.
11:38:01jhMikeSI think our strncpy should count the NULL towards the limit always. forget whatever the spec is and use the safer way.
11:38:55pondlifeAs long as that doesn't break codecs and other imported code..
11:39:21peturany code relying on that is to be removed...
11:39:25jhMikeSI say fix the code
11:40:00linuxstbIf we're not complying with POSIX, I would prefer that the function be named differently...
11:40:34preglowi say we just comply with posix
11:40:42preglowlet the same things that are bugs in posix be bugs here too
11:40:58pondlifeLooks like snprintf DOES include the null, where strncpy doesn't anyway.
11:41:02jhMikeSeck...while we're at it let's to the fancy thing and make sure multibyte unicode chars aren't split. :p
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11:43:44jhMikeSpreglow: do we really need those too? :)
11:45:26pondlifeMaybe they can have some of ours. Fair, no? :)
11:45:42preglowlets donate playback.c
11:46:02pondlifeAnd bookmarking in general
11:46:13preglowbookmarking is bugged?
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11:46:38jhMikeSthe can have them
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11:50:52pondlifepreglow: Look at Flyspray... don't know how many have been fixed (I don't use bookmarking)
11:50:59GodEater_bookmarking saves the bookmark in the right place for a start
11:51:07GodEater_it saves it in the parent directory, rather than current
11:51:13GodEater_which makes no sense imo
11:51:18pondlifeI agree
11:51:26jhMikeSbut is it for the right file?
11:51:32pondlifeI always wondered why?
11:51:35GodEater_me too
11:51:44GodEater_I looked at trying to fix it and nearly gave myself a mental hernia
11:51:52pondlifeThe code's not nice
11:51:55pondlifeJdGordon: ping?
11:52:21*GodEater_ notices he wrote "right place" where he meant "wrong place"
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11:52:40*pondlife thought it was satirical
11:52:49pondlifei.e. so obviously wrong
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11:52:56*GodEater_ is pleased pondlife thinks he's so sophisticated
11:53:06pondlifeYes, and after meeting you
11:53:13GodEater_indeed :)
11:53:34GodEater_sadly it was just a typo
11:54:35pondlifeJdGordon (or anyone): Should we change the list callbacks to take a buffer size, rather than assuming MAX_PATH ?
11:54:39LinusNpondlife, GodEater: i think the reason was to make it convenient to resume bookmarks by clicking on the bookmark files
11:54:40preglowGodEater_: so, are you going to start pushing the scroll wheel accel patch soon? :>
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11:55:34preglowhow can bookmarking code not be nice, btw? it sounds pretty simple
11:55:40pondlifeLinusN: Is it that much more convenient? Depends on how many files in the child and parent folder.
11:56:01pondlifepreglow: You'd think that playback resume and bookmarks would use the same code, right?... :)
11:56:09preglowpondlife: _right_
11:56:14preglowwell, that's silly
11:56:15preglowit should
11:56:16LinusNi guess the creator of the patch keeps his audiobooks in separate folders
11:56:19pondlifeI suspect it's ripe for some green delta work
11:56:51LinusNi think the bookmark file should be in the same dir as the audio
11:57:10pondlifeI think it should be possible to bookmark per file too, somehow.
11:57:28pondlifeFor database users
11:57:39LinusNyes, but how to combine the two?
11:57:50LinusNmany audiobooks are multifile
11:58:34preglowLinusN: i've got speex.codec at 40kb for coldfire here now, and i'm thinking 30kb is a realistic minimum, starting to sound ok for core inclusion?
11:58:38pondlifeSupport .bmark files alongside files, as well as along side dirs like we currently have?
11:58:38linuxstbCan any E200 (any variety) owners test this patch which should make e200rpatcher identify a vanilla e200, rather than just displaying "unknown bootloader" - You'll need to build the e200r patching application, and then build e200rpatcher itself.
11:58:48LinusNpreglow: way cool!
11:59:02linuxstbpreglow: How much space is it going to need for buffers?
11:59:12pondlifepreglow: 30k sounds lovely
11:59:15preglowlinuxstb: output buffers?
11:59:22LinusNpondlife: sounds like a possible way, then we can support playlists as well
11:59:34linuxstbpreglow: I guess so, plus its own bss
12:00:02pondlifeOr scrap .bmark files and build it all into playlist_control? Resume just becomes an auto-bookmark.
12:00:04preglowlinuxstb: it pretty much only has ibss, and it needs about 320 words output buffer for 16khz, 640 for 32khz
12:00:27preglowlinuxstb: without the output buffer, it currently needs 10kb iram in total, which can be shaved down somewhat
12:00:30pondlifeDo people need to be able to copy .bmark files around and maintain positions though?
12:01:00linuxstbBut we currently have a 512KB voice codec swap buffer we can discard when voice is in the core?
12:01:08preglowi'd imagine
12:01:28LinusNpondlife: but then playlist_control can grow rather big...
12:01:41pondlifeHmm, true. But the code would be much simpler
12:01:51pondlifeI'd love to integrate it all.
12:02:34linuxstbpreglow: I assume libspeex is going to be need some Makefile voodoo to build it separately for linking with the core? Similar to the two versions of libmad?
12:02:48preglowlinuxstb: yes, it will need excluding oggframing.c, for example
12:02:53preglowbut we have a bit of a problem
12:02:59preglowspeexenc can't make raw speex files
12:03:17linuxstbCould we add that feature to it?
12:03:36preglowmaking a speex encoder is rather simple, but it would be nice not to have to bundle libspeex or something
12:03:47preglowanywho, we'd require speexenc anyway, so...
12:04:03preglowlinuxstb: but it might also be quite easy to just strip away the ogg stuff
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12:04:23preglowi assume we're going to ignore the possibility of the voice file being corrupted?
12:04:44linuxstbI assume we currently do...
12:04:50jhMikeSpreglow: get to work...:) death to swapping.
12:05:09preglowyeah, i guess i should set up some makefile magic
12:05:17preglowbut it'll have to wait until tonight
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12:05:40preglowbut a good question is, are we going to allow 32 khz speex files?
12:05:45preglowi can strip away some iram usage if not
12:05:59roolkuone reason why the bookmark is at the same level as the directory is consistency with bookmarks on playlists
12:06:04jhMikeSpreglow: as opposed to what?
12:06:11preglowjhMikeS: 16khz
12:06:12roolkuyou can't put the bookmark inside the playlist
12:06:20preglowjhMikeS: which is already better than what we use for voice files (12khz)
12:06:25jhMikeSoh, bugger that...why bother?
12:06:40roolkualso I'd rather have the bookmark mixed in with hundreds of audiobook files
12:06:54linuxstbpreglow: How much IRAM are we talking about?
12:06:55roolku*rather not*
12:07:21preglowlinuxstb: not much, 0.5kb tops, plus 320 words of output buffer
12:07:30jhMikeSpreglow: voice with a 16kHz speex sounds really good, right?
12:07:43linuxstbI would be tempted to leave features in for now, and strip them out later if we need to.
12:08:29jhMikeS32kHz isn't tempting if 12kHz has been enough for ages
12:08:51preglowjhMikeS: it sounds nice
12:09:04LinusNhow is the compression ratio compared to mp3 btw?
12:09:27preglowdepends on the quality you want
12:09:34preglowfiles can be anywhere from 4 kbps to 30++
12:09:48LinusNof course, but to get roughly the same quality as the current voice files
12:10:07preglowlinuxstb: rough estimate suggests 700 bytes of iram will be saved by excluding 32khz, plus output buffer
12:10:17preglowLinusN: dunno, i don't use voice
12:10:37*jhMikeS just wants core voice so he can start multithreading codecs easily :)
12:11:09IsolinearIs there any documentation about the values inside of a .bmark file?
12:11:29LinusNonly source code
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12:11:46jhMikeSbookmark.c line 906?
12:12:09preglowa lot of the current iram use is in constants
12:12:30preglowthere is only about 2kb in decoder state for 16 khz
12:13:17pondlifeDoes make voice support speexenc yet?
12:13:22*pondlife tries it.
12:13:29jhMikeSI'd rather save IRAM for intercore use. It's not much help on PP for data (caching isn't so helpful either for data).
12:14:02preglowpondlife: remember to use vbr
12:14:34preglowjhMikeS: neither iram nor caching is helpful for data?
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12:14:46preglowi kind of thought the reason iram was so bad for data on pp was because of the cache
12:14:50pondlifeHmm, it doesn't look for speexenc
12:14:52jhMikeSpreglow: i've had iram be slower for data
12:14:53pondlifeJust oggenc
12:15:08pondlifeoggenc: Command not found. Using lame for encoding voice clips
12:15:09jhMikeSthan cached. but caching data isn't the most important thing on PP
12:16:06jhMikeSpreglow: I have mpegplayer setup now to use the filebuffer uncached real difference in performance
12:16:38preglowthere are some example files at, nb = 8khz, wb = 16khz, uwb = 32khz
12:16:49jhMikeSI also saw no drop when switching e200 to an uncached framebuffer
12:17:07preglowjhMikeS: weird...
12:18:01jhMikeSMrH's analysis agrees with that. Code caching is far more important.
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12:21:01jhMikeSI suppose since it's a unified cache, it's possible to evict your code or tables while processing huge amounts of data
12:21:01pondlifepreglow: Thanks for the examples; I've compared the VBR ones.
12:21:01preglowi don't really think the difference between 16khz and 32khz is _that_ huge
12:21:01preglownot compared to 8khz and 16khz
12:21:04pondlifeIMO, q1 and nb aren't good enough
12:21:14preglowagreed, never expected them to be
12:21:23IsolinearI'm trying to figure out what the numeric values mean in a bookmark file...
12:21:47IsolinearThe first is obviously the number of the file in the playlist.
12:22:10akumawhen i play music on my 1st gen ipod nano i hear some squeeking sound in hte background...
12:22:10preglowthough, if it is good enough for us on cellphones, it should be good enough for voice files :>
12:22:10akumais there anything i can do to stop it?
12:22:11IsolinearThe rest have something to do with the time index of the song and where to resume from...
12:22:36preglowakuma: i've got a nano, i can't hear anything
12:22:46pondlifepreglow: IMO the voice playback should be better than phone quality. the q8 16kHz is the one for me
12:23:02pondlifeq4 has annoying artifacts
12:23:08rasherpondlife: adding voice support into configure is already done, just commented out
12:23:14akumapreglow: are you using the current build?
12:23:15rasherpondlife: speex support, that should be
12:23:19pondlifeAh, ok.
12:23:24preglowakuma: yes
12:23:25pondlifeAnyone want to uncomment it?
12:23:32LinusNIsolinear: have you checked the source code? bookmark.c line 906
12:23:52rasherpondlife: since it'll break all voicescripts ever, I think we shouldn't just yet
12:24:06preglowpondlife: 28kbit, then
12:24:10pondliferasher: Oops... I forgot you already had a patch for root dir (blush)
12:24:26preglowpondlife: i expect we can use less than that, the jump between q4 and q8 is big
12:24:26IsolinearLinusN: Is this where I want to be?
12:24:35pondlifepreglow: Yes, q6..?
12:24:44preglow13kb -> 28kb
12:24:59akumapreglow: reinstall the .rockbox folder?
12:25:24jhMikeSpreglow: 8kHz is nasty with pretty much anything...that's what...telephone quality? :p
12:26:04preglowpondlife: uploading 5-6-7 now
12:26:12LinusNIsolinear: yes, that's the file
12:26:30IsolinearNow I just need to learn C syntax really quick... :P
12:27:08preglowjhMikeS: that's gsm quality, pretty much
12:27:11preglowpondlife: there
12:27:33rasherpondlife: no worries, it was out of date anyway
12:29:09akumapreglow: on the top right of my ipod screen i get a small symole ...
12:29:20preglowpondlife: the worst q4 artifacts are gone already at q5 for me
12:29:22akumalooks like a spanner in a black circle...
12:30:35IsolinearOk, I found the format but I don't know what it means...
12:30:42akumapreglow: what does it mean?
12:30:57Isolinear */
12:30:57Isolinear/* This file will contain N number of bookmarks in the following format: */
12:30:57Isolinear/* resume_index*resume_offset*resume_seed*resume_first_index* */
12:30:57DBUGEnqueued KICK Isolinear
12:30:57Isolinear/* resume_file*milliseconds*MP3 Title*
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12:31:13IsolinearResume index is the playlist number.
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12:31:36IsolinearAnyone know what resume offset, seed, and first index are?
12:32:11preglowakuma: i don't know, don't have my nano here
12:32:45akumaah k...
12:32:58linuxstbakuma: That symbol could also be something specific to the theme you're using.
12:33:17akumai am using the default theme...
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12:33:46linuxstbNo-one uses the default theme.... ;)
12:33:55Nico_Pamiconn: ping
12:34:13akumalinuxstb: tellme a nice theme for ipod nano please...
12:34:15CoololoI'm a 5G (60G) ipod owner
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12:34:30Coololoand I made yesterday a battery bench
12:34:31akumai do not want eyecandy stuff...
12:35:23CoololoI made a test with a 128kbps album, around 34Mb
12:35:27linuxstbakuma: What is "nice" is up to you - you could try
12:35:39CoololoI didn't want any HDD activity
12:35:41linuxstbakuma: But if you're happy with the default, then use it.
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12:36:24CoololoBut I heard at least one time (in the night) the HDD turn on
12:36:46Coololomy build is from yesterday
12:36:51linuxstbThat's expected.
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12:37:26pondlifepreglow: q6_wb is the one for me, I think.
12:37:37pondlifewb_q6, even!
12:37:43JakeworldNico_P: I'm afraid the earlier fix for my skipping bug is still an issue
12:38:15Nico_PJakeworld: with MPC?
12:38:30Jakeworldyes, it usually happens the first time it buffers
12:38:46Jakeworldit skips through 8-10 songs
12:39:04pondlifepreglow: Out of interest, which Jethro Tull album are they talking about?
12:39:39JakeworldI'm trying to play with the settings to make sure it's not something I've done, but so far it's still happening
12:39:53Nico_PJakeworld: it's not one of your settings
12:40:02Coololowith MP3
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12:41:33CoololoIs it normal to have a HDD activity with an album roughly 2 times smaller than the RAM?
12:41:55Nico_PJakeworld: looking now
12:42:46Jakeworldsure thing, it's definitely better than before, but it happens most noticeably the first time I start audio playback after turning on the device
12:43:32linuxstbCoololo: Yes, I already said that...
12:44:41pixelmaakuma (linuxstb): I think you mean the symbol for disk access in the default theme.... if you hear the sound everytime the symbol appears (and probably got an "affected" Nano, I thought that could be interesting...
12:46:12akumapixelma: yes more or less everytime i see the icon flashing i hear the noise but they are not in sync with the flashing...
12:46:34akumasomething wrong with my nano?
12:46:55pondlifeNico_P: has a recipe using MPC
12:47:09Coolololinuxstb: sorry about that, I have to wait around 4 min to see my message displayed on IRC lol
12:47:45Nico_Ppondlife: sure it's that one?
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12:50:35*linuxstb does his work for today and confirms 7738 is find on the ipod color
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12:51:11CoololoAnyway, it goes up to 13h40 and stop at 11% (probably due to a disk access)
12:51:44linuxstbCoololo: Had you done a similar test with an older version of Rockbox?
12:51:49pondlifeSo which test targets remain for FS #7738? Could it not be committed for the known good targets at least (with the warning fixed, natch).
12:51:54preglowpondlife: aqualung
12:52:46linuxstbpondlife: Probably just the mini2g - the 4g is identical to the Color.
12:52:47JakeworldI'd love to stick around.. but I have an exam tomorrow, so the best of luck with the musepack bug
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12:53:24preglowpondlife: and setting removed
12:53:57Isolinear7738... That's the Sansa-port scrollwheel accel patch, right?
12:54:43*akuma off... hopes his nano will fix itself magically.....
12:54:55linuxstbpondlife: It seems bluebrother has already tested on a mini...
12:54:57akumathanks all...
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12:56:00*pixelma has to leave again too, laters
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13:02:37amiconnNico_P: pong
13:02:55Nico_Pyou reported a problem about PCM underrin during buffering
13:03:14amiconnObserved this morning on my mini g2
13:03:23Nico_Pwhich codec?
13:03:40amiconnI just played an album, and everytime the mini rebuffered, there were 1 or 2 dropouts due to pcm underrun
13:03:46amiconnmp3, lame −−preset standard
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13:15:28preglowamiconn: how's the brightness stuff going?
13:15:43Nico_Phaha... too much handle moving
13:15:45Nico_PjhMikeS: looks like the mutex return from find_handle would be handy
13:16:08jhMikeSNico_P: explain "mutex return"
13:16:11Nico_Plostlogic: things are broken with prep_bufdata... handles move
13:16:25Nico_PjhMikeS: your idea of making find_handle return with a mutex locked
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13:17:30jhMikeSIt's implemented and now out of sync I'm sure. I didn't do the mental follow-through of every path to ensure no deadlocks are possible.
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13:18:19Nico_PjhMikeS: if you can't be bothered to sync it I can do it
13:19:54jhMikeSI have a diff. It really needs the full logical check though. There were definitely some points I wasn't certain about and I think something that needed addressing somehow.
13:21:15jhMikeSSome of it was that I hadn't gone through the stuff after the switch statement to be sure it was all correct.
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13:22:00jhMikeS1 sec...I'll pastebin real quick
13:25:04Nico_PjhMikeS: are the conflict markers in the diff normal?
13:25:37Nico_Plostlogic: ping
13:26:17jhMikeSThose are after an svn up with conflicts then just diffing it with them in place
13:29:28jhMikeSbasically it comes down to anything that returns struct memory_handle *h _successfully_ leaves the mutex locked for subsequent pointer use
13:30:15Nico_Pwhat does the mutex prevent others from doing with the handle while it's in use?
13:30:25Nico_Pe.g. can it still be buffered?
13:31:31jhMikeSit's only to protect a move or whatever. where I left off it would probably leave it locked while reading a chunk.
13:32:01Nico_Psounds good... the handle moving is exactly the problem I just encountered
13:32:02jhMikeSone problem area was the yield_codec function but that's now out of the pic
13:32:09Nico_Pno, it's back
13:32:22jhMikeSwhat the heck for?
13:33:16Nico_Pto prevent (or try to) PCM underruns while buffering
13:33:19jhMikeSif buffering can stall codecs that long, it should probably read smaller chunks. also, what about disk spinup?
13:33:47Nico_Pyield_codec is called between chunks
13:35:06jhMikeSI just know there's a better way. If video can be buffered without such a function, audio should be nothing.
13:36:29jhMikeSwhat holds things up? the PCM buffer really drops down?
13:37:17Nico_Pyeah, I think so. People with c200s reported buffer underruns when yield_codec was gone and replaced by the same but without a sleep loop
13:37:48jhMikeSVideo only yields once on the buffer every special yields and that's running two codecs.
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13:39:23pondlifeNico_P: Probably a silly question, but why does buffering need to yield at all, isn't it built into the disk reading functions?
13:40:10jhMikeSpondlife: those do yield quite a bit
13:40:10Nico_Phonestly I'm not sure
13:40:31pondlifeEvery n bytes of transfer, I think... so ideal for this.
13:40:59jhMikeSata-e200_c200 yields every (can't rember now precisely) 2ms or so...on a timer
13:41:03*Nico_P needs an underpowered target
13:41:36pondlife2ms is how much PCM?
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13:41:56preglowipods are _underpowered_ ? :P
13:41:57jhMikeS88.2 samples
13:42:19preglowsome people might claim gigabeats are overpowered, you know :>
13:42:20Nico_Ppreglow: everything is, compared to the gigabeat :p
13:42:56jhMikeSblah, it's just barely enough to play 320x240 NTSC right
13:43:25*pondlife thinks the build table should be split into two parts
13:43:34pondlifeMaybe targets and sims?
13:43:40jhMikeSred and green?
13:43:53pondlifeAnything to avoid all the horizontal scrolling
13:45:18*GodEater_ thinks pondlife should get a bigger monitor
13:45:31pondlifeWe already had this discussion.... :)
13:46:13pondlifeSections for targets, sims and bootloaders would make sense though
13:46:31pondlifeThe target table would be all green too.
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13:46:42pondlifeAside from M-Robe
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13:47:31Nico_Pis there anyone here who uses MPC and has the skipping bug?
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13:47:53jhMikeSI thought of just targets with all errors summed up for that target if collapsed, if you expand details it shows the breakdown for the target. Honestly, I like just seeing the condition of things before me.
13:49:18jhMikeSThe build table might be more readable if rows and colums were swapped though
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13:50:56preglowseparate tables for sims and bootloaders is kind of a good idea
13:51:12preglowthen again, the current ones does fit a lot of info in a nice way
13:51:32preglowalmost requires the entire width of my 1600x1200 display, but...
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13:53:40amiconnpondlife: what horizontal scrolling?
13:54:07Bagderhere we go again :-)
13:54:11pondlifeThe build table is rather wide....
13:54:19*amiconn doesn't need to scroll
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13:54:32amiconnThere's room for a few more targets even
13:54:40*pondlife borrows amiconn's monitor
13:54:45pondlifeAh, you're right!
13:54:56amiconnJust a laptop, 1400x1050
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13:55:19Bagder :-)
13:55:42Bagdersoon required for all rockbox devs
13:56:00*petur is happy with his 1920x1200 laptop :P
13:56:02jhMikeSmy 1800x1440 display is fine, the 1280x1024 needs some h-scrolling
13:56:17pondlife1280x1024 here
13:56:17amiconnpondlife: ata doesn't yield during transfer, only during spinup
13:56:22pondlifeAh, ok
13:56:46tuplanollaWSXGA+ here!
13:56:48jhMikeSamiconn: only during spinup? I don't think so. recording would fail to yield then during a flush.
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13:59:20amiconnOr rather, it yoields in wait_for_bsy() and wait_for_rdy()
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13:59:51amiconnAdditionally, an ata transfer is limited to 256 sectors (that's the protocol limit with lba28)
14:00:02jhMikeSyeah, it does quite a bit of that
14:00:08Nico_PjhMikeS: the current code would have an aweful deadlock with mutexes
14:00:37jhMikeSNico_P: I don't doubt it. That's why it's not committed.
14:01:07Nico_Pit's not in the patch (I haven't looked at it carfully yet)
14:01:36Nico_Pbut I have a very bad situation here
14:01:38jhMikeSah, I thought you meant the patch. that's probably worse then.
14:02:23jhMikeSwhat's the deadlock?
14:02:52Nico_Pindeed. it's to do with handles being moved while prep_bufdata is waiting for the handle to be buffered
14:03:04Nico_Pit waits on the old copy of the handle, which isn't updated anymore
14:03:05amiconnHmm. Even at 1280x1024, the build table almost fits, Just the score & build server link column is out of sight
14:03:40jhMikeSOne thing to mind when analyzing and designing is that a mutex will not block the thread that already owns it...and calls must be balanced.
14:03:42Nico_Pthe bad thing is that prep_bufdata is the one which triggers the move in the first place
14:04:20Nico_PjhMikeS: if there were mutexes, prep_bufdata would own the mutex and ask to move the handle, and this would block on the mutex
14:05:41Nico_Pthe fix is quite simple but I might be causing problems elsewhere with it
14:06:44jhMikeSNico_P: not seeing it
14:07:00jhMikeSa function that takes an *h doesn't have a mutex lock
14:08:11jhMikeS*_handle function = expects mutex locked, *_handle_id = locks mutex and unlocks. Functions returning *h, lock on success (or rather unlock on failure).
14:08:15Nico_PjhMikeS: the mutex would be owned by its caller
14:08:32Nico_P(bufread or bufgetdata)
14:10:53jhMikeSbut buf_request_buffer_handle would be changed to take an *h. that implies Q_START_FILL must take an *h and therefore the buffering thread will not lock it itself.
14:13:46amiconnpreglow: I know how to do it. Not much more yet, didn't have time...
14:14:08Nico_PjhMikeS: Q_START_FILL looks fishy to me... I removed it here
14:14:46Nico_Pespecially, I don't see why buf_request_buffer_handle should send Q_START_FILL
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14:16:49jhMikeSwhatever is done, a regular set of rules must be rigorously observed. if you already have a handle pointer, don't try getting it again from an id.
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14:18:10Nico_PjhMikeS: the problem in the case of buf_request_buffer_handle is that it can be used both by callers who already have the pointer and callers who don't
14:18:32preglowamiconn: the weird morse code way of signalling brightness changes will probably be fun to implement in a cooperative way
14:18:39Nico_Pwell actually this one doesn't try to get the pointer, but it will result in trying on the buffering thread
14:18:49jhMikeSNico_P: then you make two functions
14:19:03jhMikeSor you make two messages
14:19:43amiconnpreglow: why?
14:19:54preglowamiconn: just seemed like it to me, i might be wrong...
14:19:59preglowamiconn: long delays and everything
14:20:54amiconnInterrupts need to be disabled during the low pulses, but that's it
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14:21:10amiconnFIQs aren't affected by that
14:21:32jhMikeSNico_P: so you have an _ID variant where the buffer thread locks and an _H variant where it carries out a request where it _knows_ the lock is held by the thread generating it.
14:22:46jhMikeSthis of course implies that it must reply to said _H message before attempting any locking itself
14:26:17JdGordonpondlife: hey, still there?
14:27:52JdGordonLynx_: yeah, every screen pretty much needs hadnling for the touchpad.. but im slowly adding them.. rockbox is usable now with a stylus except for a few screens which arnt used often
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14:28:36Lynx_JdGordon: nice, how do you test this? simulator only?
14:28:46JdGordonnope.. we have it running on the mrobe 500
14:29:10Lynx_ah, i didn't know it ran on the mrobe already
14:30:04_TTThomas.j #gigabeat
14:30:07Lynx_i think we need a graph, time vs. devices supported, i bet this keeps getting faster due to same processors in new players and so on
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14:30:18pondlifeJdGordon: Kind of
14:30:21jhMikeSJdGordon: had a crazy notion...since you have so much screen real estate, how about making buttons around the screen in actually drawing a button pad?
14:30:32JdGordonamiconn: 4 params for a function is good for sh and arm right? 5 means it needs more code to do it?
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14:30:49JdGordonjhMikeS: that was one idea we had.. but the tochscreen is cooler :)
14:30:54JdGordonwe could do both
14:31:17JdGordonpondlife: it makes sense to specify the buffer length.. but its going to be a massive PITA to do it
14:31:34JdGordonbecause its everywhere...
14:31:48*jhMikeS wants draggable clipping viewports ... hmmm ... XBox (a la X-Windows) ;)
14:32:01JdGordondo we actually need more than MAX_PATH in any lists?
14:32:06JdGordonor is it causign a bug?
14:32:08pondlifeNo, we probably need a lot less
14:32:18pondlifeNo bug, just not good IMHO
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14:32:31pondlifeWhere there's a return buffer, there should be a size
14:33:04pondlifeI wonder if it could reduce binsize, not needing MAX_PATH in some places?
14:33:06JdGordonas a matter of good code then for sure we should add it.. but if its not causing problems its not really nescacery
14:33:08jhMikeSto keep viruses from exploit buffer overruns in rb?
14:33:45pondlifehaha, those pesky .rock viruses
14:33:51*pondlife goes latin again
14:34:03JdGordonpondlife: those MAX_PATHS are all locals... so changing their size wont affect bin size... just ram usage.. and it wouldnt be very large
14:34:23pondlifeI just think it's more obvious than assuming MAX_PATH
14:34:24*jhMikeS starts writing smashrock.rock
14:34:39pondlifeMore readable and better.
14:34:54JdGordonpondlife: no, i agree 100%... its just im lazy and dont want to do it.. but if you can be bthered :)
14:35:07pondlifeMaybe I can, but no time at the moment.
14:35:24pondlifeJust wondered if there was a good reason you hadn't already done it :)
14:35:26amiconnJdGordon: Yes, up to 4 parms can be passed in registers on SH and arm
14:36:18JdGordonok, its using 3 now so we could add the param and not add much to size (hopefully)
14:36:30pondlifeWhenever... lunchtime.
14:36:34pondlifeback later
14:36:37*jhMikeS needs to find that stupid ISO doc buried somewhere on his comp re: MPEG audio frame many stupid details :o
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14:38:38*jhMikeS seems to remember stashing it near the portalplayer datasheets...woops...:P
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14:40:31JdGordonshould you be returned to the wps context menu after leaving the "set song rating" screen? or back to the wps?
14:41:06DerPapstback to the wps i'd say...
14:41:17roolkuback to wps
14:41:32JdGordonand should the current rating be shown in the list? I tihnk so
14:41:37n1shmm, this pitch screen is weird... on a repeat event it increases/decreases whole percents and on clicks tenths of percents...
14:41:38jhMikeScan it be an option?...:D
14:41:44*JdGordon slaps jhMikeS
14:42:13n1sanyone against me changing it to always change in tenths of percents?
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14:42:28roolkuJdGordon: if you mean in the menu option "set rating" - I don't think so, but in the list it should be the cursor position
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14:43:48amiconnn1s: Yes. It's already slow to set larger changes with full percents.
14:43:49jhMikeSn1s: maybe use accelerated deltas?
14:43:51JdGordonI have so it looks the same as svn.. so it says "set song rating: <number>"
14:44:04amiconnAnd on MAS, *every* change means a short audio dropout
14:44:35n1samiconn: Ok, I'll leave that, jhMikeS too complicated, I never ever use it myself...
14:44:53roolkuJdGordon: I am not against it, but no other option list displays the current value like this
14:45:14roolkuJdGordon: could be useful for wps that don't use the rating tag
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14:45:54jhMikeSn1s: just 10ths until a certain time passes, then whole %
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14:47:01jhMikeSn1s: iirc you asked about check -O options for the SPC codec on coldfire a number of days ago (saw in logs). I tried all of them and everything but -O was as bad as -Os.
14:47:17JdGordonbah.. i tinhk it will be smaller delta if i change it to say "set song rating"... so i guess ill do that
14:47:32n1sjhMikeS: ok, I was curious if you found out why it broke
14:48:35jhMikeSn1s: I never looked at disassemblies or tried to figure out which particular optimization might be responsible. Some day perhaps and maybe a homebrew combo would be even better.
14:48:57markunpreglow, linuxstb: I keep getting identical speeds with and without
14:49:08markunshall I apply it anyway to be closer to the ffmpeg source?
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14:50:21JdGordonSFA difference....
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14:51:55amiconnjhMikeS: Is there assembler-in-C in the SPC codec?
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14:53:06jhMikeSamiconn: plenty but no explicit register use
14:53:14jhMikeSsave accumulators
14:54:34linuxstbmarkun: Yes, I think it's worth trying to stay in sync with ffmpeg
14:54:58amiconnCode with assembler-in-C breaking at higher -O levels is often due to wrong register/parameter usage declaration
14:55:28jhMikeSit didn't break, it just increased the boost by > 20%
14:55:56amiconnThat's gcc...
14:56:28jhMikeSoddly -Os seemed helpful on things like vorbis by a few %
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14:59:03n1sjhMikeS: ah, I also though it broke, that is just the normal behaviour of gcc :-)
14:59:15jpt9is there any way to convert windows .FON fonts to rockbox format?
15:00:04jpt9I have .fon copies of the standard VGA and EGA fonts, and I'd love to have them in Rockbox.
15:01:16jhMikeSn1s: I was just to fix the fact that the nice 72% boost on the worst material jumped to like 94% all of a sudden. :p
15:02:53n1sjhMikeS: speaking of that the boost seems to have gone up a lot lately, on an svn build from last night i get 37% boost in the buffering debug screen on a vorbis q4 file that used to give 6-7% boost
15:03:51preglowmarkun: sure
15:04:00linuxstbn1s: Was that 5-7% before or after MoB?
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15:04:43n1slinuxstb: definatly before mod bu iirc it din't go up with the initial commit
15:04:53n1sof MoB
15:05:07jhMikeSn1s: that happened once with vorbis when alignment wasn't kept correct (16-byte). maybe it's fallen out again.
15:05:49n1sjhMikeS: but test_codec speed was not much different from before
15:07:16jhMikeSMy experience once was (before some optimizations): about 12% boost on a test file. loaded a voice file: 28% boost. reason...malloc buffer wasn't line-aligned with the voice file loaded. perhaps something similar.
15:07:52n1sI will try to investigate more once I get this pitch screen change committed and my player charged
15:08:05linuxstbHmm, so we can't trust test_codec 100%?
15:08:21*markun prepares for another crash caused by the buggy USB stack of FreeBSD :(
15:08:33n1slinuxstb: does test_codec use the same buffering/playback code as the core?
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15:09:24JdGordonanyone else see something odd in the delta table?
15:09:25n1sso it could be something weird in the core playback that does it
15:09:42linuxstbIt purely tests the codec - it implements the codec API itself, based on reading the entire file into RAM, no complexity such as rebuffering.
15:09:50JdGordon0 delta on h100... green on every other target?
15:13:12jhMikeSlinuxstb: sure that implies that? I thought test_codec was to get the other stuff out of the way to just test the codec. :)
15:13:34preglowgreen \o/
15:13:45linuxstbjhMikeS: what implies what?
15:14:29linuxstbJdGordon: Looks weird to me...
15:14:35jhMikeSlinuxstb: that you can't trust test_codec if the difference is what you were talking about
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15:15:42[Kork]hi there
15:15:51*jhMikeS thinks some deltas get delayed one commit sometimes.
15:16:21[Kork]i want to install rockbox on my sansa e280, any hints before i start?
15:16:21jhMikeSlook at the +106 on video for instance
15:16:42JdGordonodd... but oh well :p
15:16:43jhMikeSah, now a -124 on H100 only
15:16:45linuxstb[Kork]: Only to read the manual...
15:16:59[Kork]rtfm, i'll do that ;-)
15:17:10linuxstbYes, it is indeed a fine manual.
15:17:58GodEater_XBOX 360 for £35 - in case anyone is interested :)
15:18:21JdGordontypo? or 2nd hand or something?
15:18:27JdGordontimeing out....
15:18:33GodEater_hehehe - not surprised...
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15:19:03linuxstbThat beats those woot offers the US people keep gloating about...
15:19:08GodEater_certainly does
15:19:17GodEater_I expect a RB port for the 360 in a couple of months now :)
15:19:34linuxstb"We reserve the right to alter product prices on the website to reflect any increase in the cost of the products for reasons beyond our reasonable control, this may include (but is not limited to) pricing mistakes, tax or other duty increases."
15:19:43GodEater_curse them!
15:19:45*linuxstb assumes it's a pricing misake...
15:19:50JdGordonusual shop rules then
15:19:55JdGordonmust be a mistake
15:20:16roolkuJdGordon: shouldn't the "no info" be "runtime gathering not enabled" ?
15:20:23amiconnping (Zagor, LinusN, Bagder)
15:20:34markunlinuxstb: btw, with -l0 the file ends up 2% larger, but it decodes exactly 2x faster, not a bad tradeoff
15:20:36`VLhello all. iriver H340. rockbox. 3 lines: *PANIC* \n Blocking violation \n B->*T usb main. See them for 3 hours. Is there a way to reboot? or i have to wait untill battery discharges/ reassemble player ?
15:20:43JdGordonroolku: yes.. but didnt want to add a new string
15:20:52jhMikeSthey say there was a pricing mistake after you ordered? :)
15:20:53amiconnLinusN: Could you check what's up with the delta script?
15:20:57linuxstbmarkun: That's still 24-bit though?
15:21:05amiconnSome deltas are delayed one round. That seems to be new
15:21:10markundidn't do any 16-bit tests
15:21:17linuxstbIt would be interesting (for potential SH performance) to test 16-bit files
15:21:24*jhMikeS remembers this delta bug when the table was first introduced
15:21:37markunlinuxstb: I'll do a quick test
15:21:38roolkuJdGordon: and a callback to remove that entry if is not applicable was too hard to do?
15:21:41LinusNamiconn: i'll happily pass that on to bagder, he's the brain behind that script
15:21:50roolkuJdGordon: that would be the cleanest solution i think
15:22:04JdGordonroolku: it used to do that.. but not nice having items disappear from the menu
15:22:14amiconnlinuxstb: I think we can pretty much forget flac on SH, unless you have an idea how to write an efficient rice decoder without shift-by-n instruction
15:22:42*linuxstb forgets flac on SH
15:23:09amiconnThat's the biggest problem - the rice decoder. All other decoding steps are fairly straightforward, but even those add up
15:23:15JdGordonroolku: if you want to add it back in.. just copy the callback from the diff and enable it... im going to bed
15:23:23jhMikeS`VL: you have an old build that's for sure
15:23:38roolkuJdGordon: cheers & good night
15:24:02JdGordongrabbing one more game for my ds first though :p
15:24:23amiconnshorten *might* be within reach, but also depends on an efficient rice decoder. But it doesn't need decorrelation (always ecodes stereo as L and R)
15:24:24`VLjhMikeS: how old is old for you? ;-) august i think...
15:24:38peturstone age
15:24:38jhMikeS`VL: And info on resetting the player should be available
15:24:57amiconnI would expect that SH needs the whole decoder core written in asm
15:25:01jhMikeS`VL: There's no such violation any's not a violation to do that now.
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15:26:20`VLjhMikeS: i connected player to really old install of winME, it detected some devices and hanged... usb connection appeared on player. then i had to reboot pc and after i had this.
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15:26:49`VLjhMikeS: so, does my old build has capability to reboot? i`ll try to search on website...
15:27:01amiconn`VL: Just reset the H340 and update your build
15:27:05petur'VL: poke the reset hole?
15:28:31`VLamiconn: wow!
15:28:38`VLthere is a reset hole!!
15:28:52`VL1st time need to use it in more than 3 years...
15:29:17`VLamiconn: THANKS
15:29:31`VLit works again
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15:33:59GodEater_3 people in my team managed to get order confirmations for the 360 at that price - we'll wait and see what happens :)
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15:36:54n1sjhMikeS, linuxstb ok boosting is back to normal levels with current build, probably hit some snag that was already fixed :-/
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15:58:42lostlogicNico_P: why would MPC files be skipped w/o that change? I still think that codecs shouldn't rely on receiving more than FILECHUNK per request
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16:02:22Nico_Plostlogic: hmm I think I got a bit confused between filechunk and guard size in my reasoning why bufread doesn't need the test. but things work better without it, it seems
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16:02:54Nico_Plostlogic: I was more focused on another much bigger (IMHO) issue I found
16:03:03lostlogicNico_P: oh?
16:03:45Nico_Pprep_bufdata can cause the handle it is reading on to be moved, without a way of knowing
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16:04:12webguest27hello guys
16:04:22lostlogicNico_P: moved?
16:04:41webguest27i have a big problem with my sansa mp3 player
16:04:45lostlogicNico_P: ohhh
16:04:50Nico_Plostlogic: yes, by the shrink_buffer(); call in Q_START_FILL
16:04:51lostlogicstart_fill causes a shrink
16:05:18webguest27i am on version r15463
16:05:30lostlogicwebguest27: update.
16:05:32Nico_Plostlogic: why is start_fill needed?
16:06:23Nico_Pand even if it is, I think buf_request_buffer_handle should send a Q_BUFFER_HANDLE
16:06:30akumawhat can i do to remove teh squeeking soundrockbox makes on my ipod nano
16:06:37webguest27is there already an update?
16:06:57lostlogicNico_P: to prevent freezes. If you are playing a file which is larger than the buffer then there is no space to do a read when you initially get the buf_request_buffer_handle there is zero space on the buffer to satisfy that request, so no data is read and the caller never receives his data
16:07:04scorche|wwebguest27: rockbox usually has around 10 commits a day
16:07:05lostlogicwebguest27: there is almosta lways already an update.
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16:07:09webguest27well right now i cannot load rockbox anymore, it hangs on the load window everytime and does not go on
16:07:26lostlogicwebguest27: update first, then test, then ask :)
16:07:51webguest27ok then i need to get home first and update
16:08:15Nico_Plostlogic: the case where the handle is larger than the buffer shouldn't need to be treated with a message
16:08:20Nico_Pit didn't use to
16:08:23lostlogicwebguest27: also, do you have resume on startup selected? there have been some resume bugs lately
16:08:26linuxstbakuma: You could try this build of Rockbox -
16:08:34webguest27will there be any bigger improvments on the DB soon?
16:08:41Nico_Plostlogic: the buffering thread should detect it just fine with the useful value
16:08:42scorche|wlike what?
16:09:08akumalinuxstb: but mine is a 2 gb version...
16:09:21webguest27well i cannot get in the system anymore, but i guess it wasnt selected but i had auto update the DB turned on
16:09:36linuxstbakuma: "1G" means First Generation....
16:09:40lostlogicNico_P: but if buf_request_buffer_handle is called that _means_ that it hasn't triggered a fill in time through the idle loop and then it enters the read loop but cannot read because there is no space but potentially also cannot exit because both usefl and pcmbuf may go low in that time.
16:09:41scorche|wakuma: i think he means 1st gen...not 1 GB
16:09:51akumaoh ok...
16:10:04lostlogicNico_P: before entering the read loop we should probably actually guarantee that it can make sufficient progress not to stick in yield codec.
16:10:31scorche|wwebguest27: you can always boot into the OF
16:10:49webguest27how? :D
16:10:58lostlogic"can I read at least watermark worth of data or is entering this function suicide"
16:11:11Nico_Plostlogic: why isn't the code starting at line 1294 of buffering.c enough?
16:11:18webguest27in my case it hangs before it can load anything from the Rockbox FW
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16:11:31scorche|wwebguest27: read the says how
16:11:38lostlogicNico_P: because if the buffering thread is inside buffer_handle then it's never idling and never gets there
16:12:04scorche|wit also says how to clear your settings, which you could try
16:12:35Nico_Plostlogic: is it actually possible that the thread could be buffering when it doesn't have enough data left?
16:12:45Nico_P... for a file larger than the buffer?
16:12:51lostlogic"data left"? space left.
16:13:18Nico_Pthe important thing is data. if this code block is entered it does the space freeing just fine
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16:14:53lostlogicif buf_request_buffer_data is called that means (pretty much by definition) that the file buffer is below the critical level _already_ and most likely no sys_timeout has been triggered to clean up space for the read. In this case, if the pcmbuffer also goes low, it will stick inside the buffer_handle call forever. Even if pcmbuf does not go low, it will not be able to satisfy the request until it falls through _after_ the buf_request_bu
16:15:00webguest27can i go to the OF without connecting my player to a pc?
16:15:08lostlogicwebguest27: read the manual.
16:15:15webguest27OK :)
16:15:56akumalinuxstb: i downloaded the source do i replace the contents of .rockbox with teh contents of rockbox folder int he source?
16:15:57lostlogics/does not go/does now go/g
16:16:06webguest27anytip which part i should read? ;)
16:16:14webguest27*any tips
16:16:31linuxstbakuma: No, you want to download the binary.
16:18:28Nico_Plostlogic: but then whe need to ensure that the handle that is concerned by buffering request isn't moved
16:18:45Nico_PjhMikeS's mutex patch might help with that
16:18:58akumalinuxstb: this build is updated often?
16:19:28lostlogicNico_P: shuldn't be a problem, I actually had an implementation where prep_bufdata returned the handle which would make solving the problem much easier.
16:19:54linuxstbakuma: I've no idea.
16:19:58Nico_Plostlogic: "returned the handle"?
16:20:18Nico_Pthe pointer to it?
16:20:45akumawill try it and see if squeeking goes away
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16:22:48webguest27ey you guys are great
16:22:54webguest27rockbox rocks :D
16:22:59amiconnlinuxstb: See, that's why I hate this xxG notation...
16:23:29linuxstbI don't understand the confusion - I've never seen gigabyte written as G...
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16:24:22lostlogicNico_P: <−− untested, but compiles... just to show you what I mean.
16:24:31scorche|wwell, that is why we started writing it as "1st gen"..
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16:25:45Nico_Plostlogic: yeah, that's better
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16:26:14lostlogicNico_P: I'm testing it now, but I'm pretty sure it'll work fine
16:26:25Nico_PI see no reason why it shouldn't
16:26:30lostlogicI assume you have a way of triggering the bad that you talked about?
16:26:43Nico_Pit disappeared with my commit :p
16:26:56lostlogicNico_P: haha, can you test w/o your change but with mine, JinC
16:27:23lostlogicapparently the IPV is a bad testing platform these days, I tend to not see bugs others do :(
16:27:43Nico_Pthe gigabeat seems to be the worst possible target
16:27:51lostlogiccuz its fast
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16:29:57Nico_Plostlogic: good news: the bad bug seems to be gone with your patch
16:30:06lostlogicbad news?
16:30:18Nico_P(it would lead to the codec starving and eventually a segfault)
16:30:31Nico_Pbad news is withoutmy fix the skipping is still there :p
16:31:15Nico_Pyou need slow buffering to see it. I replaced the yield by a sleep(2) in buffer_handle
16:31:57lostlogicand what happens is that the codec thinks its hit the end of the file and jumps ahead?
16:32:26Nico_Pprobably... the MPC codec is quite complicated but I assume it's that
16:32:40*lostlogic scowls
16:33:14lostlogicoh well, it won't _break_ to have your change in there for bufread so *shrug*
16:33:22Nico_Pbut I'm quite confident that it's always possible for the buffering thread to give as much as the codec requests
16:33:33lostlogicyeah, could just be quite a long wait sometimes
16:33:41Nico_Peven though it's not on the first buffer_handle call
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16:42:15Nico_Pwow the mpc codec is hard to follow
16:44:16Nico_Pand it's written in german...
16:44:18lostlogicis my math right?
16:45:07Nico_Plostlogic: it's to prevent bufgetdata from getting more than the guard size?
16:45:39Nico_Pthe comment says it :p
16:45:42lostlogicfrom getting more than guard size over what's immediately following h->ridx
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16:46:52lostlogictrying to figure out if I have an off-by-one in there.
16:47:15Nico_Plooks ok to me
16:47:53lostlogicNico_P: ok, it's running, I'll make sure it wraps ok a few times but it makes the purpose and function of that code block consistent with its new optional nature
16:48:07Nico_Pyeah it's better indeed
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16:50:29coozhey guys, is anyone currently working on fm tuner, as it's behaving very randonly atm (sansa c200) :(
16:51:16Nico_Plostlogic: this means MIN(h->ridx + size - buffer_len, GUARD_BUFSIZE) at line 1065 will become redundant... in the worse case it will be equivalent to MIN(GUARD_BUFSIZE, GUARD_BUFSIZE)
16:52:55lostlogicNico_P: yeah, but that's a copy length consideration so we don't want to copy more than reqsize
16:53:02lostlogicI noticed the similarity
16:54:14Nico_Pwhat I mean is "size_t copy_n = h->ridx + size - buffer_len;" would be correct now
16:54:38Nico_Pbecause (h->ridx + size - buffer_len) cannot be > GUARD_BUFSIZE
16:55:02Nico_Pit's just detail anyway
16:56:18lostlogicoooh, true!
16:56:57Nico_Pand line 1067 can simply be removed
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16:58:10lostlogicNico_P: true and true
16:58:16lostlogicyay for early range checking!
16:58:18Nico_Pmaybe a few comments in the code about that would be good though... like add "size <= buffer_len - h->ridx + GUARD_BUFSIZE, so copy_n <= GUARD_BUFSIZE"
16:58:58Nico_Poh, too late :)
16:59:02Nico_PI can do it if you want
16:59:26lostlogicNico_P: <−− I started working on something new −− does this make sense or am I being paranoid?
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16:59:40lostlogicNico_P: I'll get it after I decide about this other fiddling
16:59:58preglowwhy do i get the impression this stuff is kind of complicated? :P
17:00:35lostlogicpreglow: read the code and then decide :-P
17:01:04lostlogicpreglow: it's simpler than it was in most cases... although the playback.c hooks might still need some de-dup &| cleanup
17:01:12Nico_Plostlogic: makes sense
17:01:30lostlogicNico_P: is it paranoid though? That's the only other place we explicitly sleep while holding a handle.
17:01:39lostlogic(sleep || yield)
17:02:13Nico_Plostlogic: yeah actually I think it's unnecessary... handles can only be moved in the buffering thread, right?
17:02:26Nico_Pif so, handles cannot move during that yield/sleep
17:02:27lostlogicah but they can be deleted on the audio thread
17:02:54lostlogicooh, I don't NULL check the new handle retrievals, I should.
17:02:57Nico_Pno, because actual deleting is done on the bufering thread
17:03:10Nico_Pbufclose is a message sender
17:03:29Nico_Plostlogic: precisely to avoid handles disappearing while buffering them ;)
17:03:52lostlogicNico_P: ok, then it's paranoid :) should still nullcheck that thar other one I added.
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17:04:16pondlifelostlogic: Buffering handles can be deleted on the audio thread?
17:04:24lostlogicapparently not :)
17:04:31pondlifePheew :)
17:04:42Nico_Ppondlife: it used to be possible
17:04:47*Nico_P is ashamed
17:05:55Nico_Plostlogic: I added the comments
17:06:10Nico_P(not committed yet)
17:06:43pondlifeNico_P, lostlogic: Feel free to add more comments, particularly to all function tops and if statements...
17:07:12pondlifeIt'd be nice to be sure exactly what every bit of code in buffering.c and playback.c is there for :)
17:07:30pondlifeAnything you guys don't understand is probably suspicious!
17:07:43lostlogicNico_P: which ones?
17:07:57Nico_Plostlogic: I mean the simplification in bufgetdata
17:08:02lostlogicpondlife: you're assuming we understand something :-D
17:08:12lostlogicNico_P: oh, I just did too, good thing it's simple
17:08:32pondlifeI'm assuming that we are now at peak knowledge...
17:08:36lostlogicpondlife: yeah, I think we're both trying as we tweak/fix to comment the function so that the tweaks/fixes aren't untweaked/fixed
17:08:47pixelman1s: while you were working on screens.c, you could have fixed Zagor's name (or better: text encoding) for real now. Since JdGordon's "fix" it is uf-8 (again wondering what the encoding of his first commit yesterday was...)
17:09:09pondlifeHopefully some of the ifs will turn out to be unneeded with a bit of thought? Or is that unlikely?
17:09:34pixelman1s: if I can trust firefox here...
17:09:51lostlogicNico_P: have you tested with a yield() instad of a sleep(1) in prep_bufdata (or wherever it used to be)?
17:10:43n1spixelma: forgot about it but I have no idea what encoding it's supposed to be in and I'm using gedit as an editor and I'm pretty sure it will not let me do what i want :-)
17:11:43lostlogicNico_P: a yield should be all that's needed I think, but it's not a big difference regardless
17:12:15lostlogicNico_P: and yeah, that's quite close to what I was going to do so hit it whenever you want.
17:12:36lostlogic(ie comment wordign is different only ;))
17:16:20linuxstbWere there any objections to the idea of making the source files utf8?
17:16:36BHSPitMonkeyzomg I HATE utf8
17:16:50BHSPitMonkey(not really)
17:17:34Nico_Plinuxstb: I am 100% in favor of that
17:17:35n1sI just don't understand why some editors feel like they have to change the encoding of a file, if they just left it alone there wouldn't be a problem
17:18:13pixelmalinuxstb: I honestly don't know, but somehow I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't fix JdGordon's problem with kate ;)
17:18:15Nico_Pn1s: my editor (kate) doesn't detect the encoding as latin1 and loads as UTF8 by default
17:19:10*lostlogic doesn't know what vim does, but is sure that it'll be fine
17:19:19preglowkate is an eccentric bastard
17:19:47roolkulinuxstb: with or without BOM (and will this not be difficult to police)? can all the tools deal with UTF-8?
17:19:48*Nico_P is slowly learning to use vim, but kscope is just too good
17:20:11lostlogicalthough I don't use cscope, just ctags
17:20:14markunlostlogic: I have no problems with vim and encodings. It doesn't just decide to change them like kate does.
17:20:29linuxstbroolku: There's hardly any utf-8 in the source code, and decent editors won't change what's already there...
17:20:31Nico_Plostlogic: kscope is a gui to cscope with kate as editor
17:20:35pixelmaNico_P: do you have an idea what encoding JdGordon's first commit of screens.c was in, looked to me as if wouldn't be utf-8 (or maybe it was a bom issue)...
17:20:56pixelmayesterday, I mean
17:21:30markunlinuxstb: there is UTF-8 in apps/recorder/keyboard.c
17:21:39preglowthat habit kate has of just changing char sets without asking is really charming
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17:22:28pixelmayeah, markun: probably some kate user's fault? ;)
17:23:22Nico_Ppixelma: it was latin1 read as UTF8
17:23:35Nico_Pbtw, screens.c is still UTF-8
17:23:51linuxstbOne argument in favour of utf-8 is that that's the character encoding viewvc.cgi uses when displaying files...
17:23:53pixelmathat's where the discussion started now
17:24:17markunNico_P: looks latin1 to me
17:24:24n1shaha, we are committing so frequently that there is a gap between the frontpage commits and the 4-weeks page
17:24:28jpt9_oh yeah...
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17:24:48jpt9_to whoever said that they had the entire High Voltage SID Collection on their Gigabeat, and that it was all untagged...
17:24:54Nico_Pthe problem with kate is that it loads everything as UTF-8 regardless (?) of the original encoding, so when you save special characters get garbled
17:24:57jpt9_it's perfectly tagged on the Sansa simulator...
17:25:02jpt9_and considering how slow it is...
17:25:13jpt9_i might want to reconsider that potential decision.
17:25:17pixelmamarkun: why was Zagor's name picked up in the diff then?
17:25:23jpt9_how does rockbox deal with microsd cards?
17:25:34jpt9_do they have their own database stored on the card?
17:25:46markunpixelma: maybe it was UTF-8 before? Or I didn't update everything..
17:26:17markunpixelma: oops :)
17:26:20Nico_Pscreens.c is utf8, I'm sure of it
17:26:30markunNico_P: yes, you are right. Sorry
17:26:49n1swe should get an svn hook that checks that Zagor's name is correctly encoded and reject commits otherwise :-)
17:27:17Nico_Pthere are problems with Kévin Ferrare too
17:28:01pixelmajpt9_: if you use the filebrowser, the microSD card will appear as an own subfolder. If you use the database, Rockbox will make one database of all it finds on the internal memory and on the card
17:28:13jpt9_what if I have multiple cards?
17:28:27jpt9_and is there any way to temporarily disable the database on the card without having to remove it?
17:28:59jpt9_also, how slow is a Sansa e250 compared to the simulator running on a 2.0GHZ Core2Duo laptop with 2GB of RAM and Vista?
17:30:23n1sjpt9_: I think it's safe to say that the core 2 duo is faster than the pp processor in the sansa :)
17:30:27jpt9_oh god...
17:30:32jpt9_the HVSC is going to suck...
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17:30:41jpt9_is there any way to disable the database on the card permanently...
17:30:45jpt9_or exclude folders?
17:30:47jpt9_or something?!
17:30:50n1sjpt9_: no
17:30:57pixelmaas far as I know (but I usually don't use the database so I'm a bit guessing here) Rockbox currently can't pick up any changes if you switch cards automatically. If you want to use the database, you would have to update it (or even reinitialise?).
17:31:03n1sit's strictly all or nothing
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17:31:14markunjpt9_: if it anoys you enough, maybe you will write a patch for this feature :)
17:31:34preglowwould making the database hotswap aware be too hard?
17:31:41pondlifeCould you init the database without the card in?
17:31:57Nico_Plostlogic: so what's next? ;)
17:32:08pondlifeComments!!! Lots of comments!!!
17:32:17pixelmapondlife: I think so
17:32:51pondlifeSo many comments that even idiots named pondlife can understand buffering.c
17:33:06*pondlife must stop mistyping buggering.c
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17:34:40roolkujpt9_ / pixelma: I have a patch that only adds files from my music directory to the DB, so it excludes audiobooks, sids, mods etc
17:35:02jpt9_ any chance you could get that into svn?
17:35:07jpt9_it'd be a great feature.
17:35:16jpt9_well, customizable directories for the database in general.
17:35:29roolkuit is a hack though - there was a big discussion that a flexible way was required, but nobody had an idea on how to do it
17:35:59jpt9_how well does an 80MHz (IIRC) MP3 player play SIDs anyway?
17:36:12preglowvery well
17:36:24preglownot compared to oversampled resid, but it's totally decent
17:36:36jpt9_never been much for the oversampling stuff.
17:36:41roolkuit comes up every so often, but people have different ideas and no aggreement is ever reached. :)
17:36:43linuxstbHow about a ".no_index" file in a directory skips all files in that directory and subdirectories?
17:36:53jpt9_i like that.
17:36:56jpt9_that's awesome.
17:36:59jpt9_do it :-)
17:37:24*roolku prefers the opposite way: .do_index
17:37:40jpt9_make it a preference :-)
17:37:42linuxstbroolku: So by default nothing is indexed? ;)
17:37:56jpt9_detect which files are there.
17:38:03linuxstbroolku: That won't cause any questions....
17:38:10pondliferobots.txt ;)
17:38:17jpt9_not sure what you'd do if there were both .no_index *and* .do_index files...
17:38:28roolkulinuxstb: I can see the case for support calls. :)
17:38:28jpt9_but if there's only one of them, just do what the user wants.
17:38:34pondlifeJust .no_index will be fine...
17:38:39jpt9_that's good.
17:38:48jpt9_what about multiple databases? :-D
17:38:52jpt9_no, you don't need to do that.
17:38:56jpt9_but it'd be neat.
17:39:14jpt9_oh yeah...
17:39:27jpt9_the Sansa's scheduled to arrive next Friday :-D
17:39:27linuxstbApart from the fact that Windows makes it hard for uses to create dot files...
17:39:40preglowi don't find it too hard
17:39:45roolkuusing the .no_index - how would I exclude files from the root, but include files from the /music directory?
17:39:50linuxstbI thought it required the command-line?
17:40:00idnaryou can't do it in explorer
17:40:03linuxstbroolku: Move them out of the root...
17:40:07jpt9_have both .no_index and _do_index
17:40:07idnarit complains about creating a file with an extension but no name
17:40:38jpt9_have it only look for .do_index files in directories inside those with .no_index.
17:41:12linuxstbThat could work...
17:41:17roolkuI think I will stick with my patch :)
17:41:53linuxstbjpt9_: You could file a feature request before we forget the idea... (or write the patch...)
17:41:58jpt9_good idea.
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17:42:11*jpt9_ doesn't know how to write patches...
17:42:18jpt9_but I am learning C++ in CS I right now.
17:42:22jpt9_and I've played a bit with C.
17:42:40linuxstbThere you go then - a good project to introduce you to Rockbox coding...
17:42:52jpt9_where do i get the source?
17:42:56preglowalso to hair loss
17:43:51linuxstbjpt9_: Best way is with SVN -
17:44:42jpt9_checking out as we type.
17:44:50*Nico_P has a fix that should please some people
17:45:04jpt9_what is it?
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17:45:11linuxstbAlbum art?
17:45:20Nico_Phaha :)
17:45:22elinenbejpeg support in the WPS?
17:45:24Nico_P"a fix"
17:45:36linuxstbYes, fixing the fact that Rockbox doesn't support album art... ;)
17:45:37pondlifeKeep us guessing...
17:45:50linuxstbA zune port?
17:45:57jpt9_anaglyph 3d glasses support for doom? :-)
17:46:05D0ugDoes anyone know of a meathod to alter the screen orientation in order to display themes from a seperate device to that of the displaying?
17:46:17pondlifeNot the non-rebuffer of already buffered data...?
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17:46:33Nico_Ppondlife: not that... not yet anyway
17:46:45D0ugFor example Sansa e2xx's themes and orientations being replaced with that of the iPod colour.
17:46:49Nico_Pno it's much smaller... next track info for the first track not on the buffer
17:47:09D0ug176x220x16 vs 220x176x16 <<ratios
17:47:26linuxstbD0ug: Someone wrote a dirty patch for the Gigabeat to do that (basically dual-booting between two different Rockbox versions), but I don't believe anyone has done it for the Sansa.
17:48:12D0ugI don't mean to boot the iPod Colour firmware, I mean if it is possible to rotate the screen orientation and load up iPod colour themes to a Sansa
17:49:07linuxstbD0ug: I know. The patch I referred to for the Gigabeat creates two different Gigabeat firmwares - one using the screen in normal portrait mode (240x320), and another using it in landscape mode (320x240).
17:49:14jpt9_where's the database code?
17:49:31linuxstbtagcache is the original name for the database
17:49:41D0ugOkay, would you be able to reference me the patch #?
17:49:48pondlifeWe should really rename that (and the API)...
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17:52:48D0ugThank you
17:52:58pondlifeHmm, is the iPod Video ticking issue still a known problem?
17:53:25*Nico_P is going to get a red delt
17:55:06jpt9_what order does readdir() return filenames?
17:55:29lostlogicNico_P: you adding another struct mp3_data to playback.c for that, or?
17:55:36Nico_Plostlogic: yes :(
17:55:45linuxstbjpt9_: The order the of the entries in directory - which could be anything...
17:55:52lostlogicNico_P: I didn't see another way either.
17:56:04Nico_Plostlogic: and 4 is still better than 32 ;)
17:56:19lostlogichehe yeah
17:56:25Nico_Plostlogic: I was thinking of getting rid of nexttrack_id3 though
17:56:50pondlifeHmm, you have got too many there, definitely
17:57:03jpt9_anyway, I have to go to lunch.
17:57:06jpt9_see ya later.
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17:57:22linuxstbNico_P: What does "lasttrack" mean? I would have thought that nexttrack would already contain the next track info for the WPS?
17:57:47Nico_Plinuxstb: it's for the last track that we attempted to load
17:57:57lostlogicNico_P: yeah, that should be possible. wasn't it actually 35 before MoB? so 35->4 still quite good ;)
17:58:43linuxstbNico_P: I don't understand...
17:59:02lostlogiclinuxstb: lasttrack is the track that is _not_ buffered but may _later_ become nexttrack before it is buffered.
17:59:08pondlifelasttrack == nexttracktobuffer?
17:59:14lostlogicwhat pondlife said
17:59:14Nico_Ppondlife: yes
17:59:21pondlifeI meant, rename it :)
17:59:29lostlogicoh, laugh
17:59:36linuxstbSo it's nextnexttrack?
17:59:41Nico_Psure nexttracktobuffer_id3
17:59:54pondlifeMight be many tracks hence...
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18:00:27linuxstbOK, it's clear now...
18:00:48pondlifeIn what situation doesn't the new id3, plus the buffer itself provide enough info?
18:01:05pondlifeWhen the codec has transitioned, but the WPS has not, I guess.
18:01:17pondlifeWe only need 3 sets of info, surely!
18:01:19Nico_Ppondlife: I don't understand your question
18:01:32Nico_Pbut I'm pretty sure nexttrack_id3 can go
18:01:32pondlifeI'm trying to work out why 4 structs are needed.
18:01:57lostlogicpondlife: they aren't nexttrack is always either on buffer or in nexttracktobuffer_id3
18:02:07lostlogicpondlife: 3 seem to be necessary though
18:02:26pondlifeIf it's buffered, the info is on buffer. If it's not, then either it's the nexttracktobuffer, or just cleared (i.e. the WPS has yet to move on)...
18:02:40pondlifeWhich means we need the buffer + 2 others, right?
18:03:12pondlifei.e. current WPS (for the last seconds) and nexttracktobuffer.
18:03:16lostlogicthe current track needs to be _rapid_ access so is not on the buffer
18:03:21lostlogicso we need that third one
18:03:43lostlogic'course putting that one on buffer would be nice for runtime data
18:03:44pondlifeThis saves reparsing, right?
18:03:53lostlogicbut the risk of it moving around is too hard to fix
18:04:11lostlogicpondlife: more just that there would be too many threads potentially fiddling with it if it was on buffer while playing
18:04:27pondlifeTrue. The playback/WPS API relies on that ptr...
18:04:35pondlifeelapsed and all that
18:04:46*pondlife shudders at the memory.
18:04:54Nico_Plostlogic, pondlife: the reason why the current id3 must be static is that the codec needs a pointer to it
18:05:10pondlifeOK, so we need 3...good
18:05:16Nico_PWPS isn't a problem as it uses audio_current_track and audio_next_track
18:06:03Nico_Pwe *could* change the codec API to replace the ID3 pointer with a func returning an ID3 pointer, but I'm not sure it's worth it
18:06:19pondlifeHmm, why no build?
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18:11:13Nico_Pthe build server is behaving strangely
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18:12:21Alcoololodo you one of you guys have an ipod 5G?
18:15:34linuxstbAlcoololo: What's your question?
18:15:50AlcoololoI have a strange behaviour with it (since I have it actually): when you plug it to an USB1.1 port (to charge or whatever) the pc hangs for 4-5 min
18:16:12pondlifeNico_P: Looks like it missed your commit, try another one!
18:16:18Alcoololois it the normal behaviour (for rockbox or for the OF)?
18:16:44Nico_Ppondlife: as soon as I understand a weird issue I have
18:16:44pondlifeAlcoololo: iPod USB support is handled by the Apple firmware, not Rockbox
18:17:30pondlifeThat doesn't sound like normal behaviour... I'd ask on an iPod support channel
18:17:38linuxstbpondlife: That's not 100% true - Rockbox initialises the USB controller to detect if there's a PC at the other end of the connection or a charger, and that did cause issues in the past.
18:17:50pondlifeAh, sorry
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18:18:18linuxstbAlcoololo: Do you get the same issue if you start the Apple firmware, and then insert USB, or only if you insert USB when Rockbox is running
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18:18:40linuxstbOK, then do what pondlife said ;)
18:18:44AlcoololoI don't think it's because of rockbox
18:19:08linuxstbThe only problems I've had is when I connect a FAT32 ipod to a Mac - Mac OS X seems to take a few minutes to mount it.
18:19:15Alcoololofor both i've got the same issue
18:20:07Alcoololobut it's a refurbished ipod, so I don't know, maybe it's because of that
18:20:39linuxstbYou could try running chkdsk on it
18:20:49AlcoololoIt's doesn't do that with 2.0 though
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18:21:22Nico_Phmm the issue isn't new to my commit
18:21:27Nico_Pthe next one I mean
18:23:06AlcoololoI'm running chkdsk
18:23:12pondlifeHmm, claims of Sansa brickage -
18:23:23AlcoololoSo, nobody experiences the same
18:23:46Nico_Plostlogic: any idea why the first automatic track transtition never happens?
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18:24:01Nico_Pon at least two MP3 albums of mine
18:24:14pondlifeNico_P: You mean it only buffers one track?
18:24:23lostlogicNico_P: ... so it just sits there at the end of the first track?
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18:24:27Nico_Pr15538 and r15539 are affected at least
18:24:36lostlogicNico_P: nothing comes to mind
18:24:37Nico_Pworse than that... it plays audio from the next track
18:24:47pondlifeI'm on 15537 :)
18:24:59Alcoololoby the way, I ran a battery test bench yesterday on my 60g 5G ipod
18:24:59Nico_Pbut progressbar is full, remaining displays a negative time
18:25:09Nico_Pand to top it, the audio is played accelerated :p
18:25:38Nico_Pskipping goes back to the beginning of the next track and then all works fine
18:25:47lostlogicNico_P: ... that's ... odd..
18:26:08Nico_PI have no idea when it started... at first I thought it was my ID3 changes but no
18:26:15Alcoololois it normal to have a disk activity for a 34Mb album in repeat mode, whereas the RAM is 64?
18:26:27pondlifeNico_P: If you can repro, SVN up -r is your friend
18:26:30lostlogicNico_P: unless something we did recently made it possible for a codec to read data from the next track through bufgetdata or bufread
18:26:51Nico_Plostlogic: that's very possible yeah
18:27:03Nico_Ppondlife: or git bisect ;)
18:27:16pondlifeEven better
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18:28:04pondlifeAlcoololo: It may be the dircache scan for a while after you boot up..
18:28:18lostlogicNico_P: do you get a glitch before the audio from the wrong track plays?
18:28:30lostlogicNico_P: ie as it plays the mp3_data
18:28:42Nico_Plostlogic: I couldn't reproduce on sim
18:28:46pondlifeAlcoololo: You can go into System > Debug > View buffering thread to see how much RAM is used, and see when the disk reads.
18:29:07Nico_Pit should be quite easy on target though
18:29:17Alcoololopondlife: dircache scan is a rockbox option?
18:29:33Alcoololoi'll do that
18:29:38Nico_Pthe build server is dropping my commits! :(
18:29:58pondlifeRejected due to utf-8 in the Zagor-syndrome?
18:30:05lostlogicNico_P: it can't spell your name
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18:31:22pondlifeNope, that happens occasionally. A commit goes missing when the server is looking the other way.
18:31:40pondlifeOr rather, no build occurs.. the commit is there, of course
18:31:47lostlogicdamned anthropomorphized servers.
18:32:16pondlifeI prefer to think of it as an ants nest.
18:32:46pondlifeHmm, why doesn't the buffering screen ever show alloc as being more than 3/4 of the buffer...
18:32:54pondlifeWith a very long playlist, it should be, surely.
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18:33:48lostlogicpondlife: mine ... does.
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18:33:57Nico_Ppondlife: yeah, that's weird... how are the tracks? maybe the handle or track limit are reached?
18:34:05pondlifeAll normal-ish MP3s
18:34:14pondlifeNo super long or short ones
18:34:22lostlogicpondlife: it should allocate up to bufsize ~1 track and then as it fills allocate the rest for the partial last track
18:34:24pondlife10 handles
18:34:41pondlifeHmm, real + alloc are 17MB/25MB
18:34:51pondlifeIt's about to rebuffer though
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18:35:08lostlogicpondlife: see what it is jsut after spin-down
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18:36:06Nico_Pr15503 doesn't have the bug I described
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18:37:16pondlifeYep, rebuffering used the lot
18:37:23pondlifeNe'er mind
18:37:36lostlogicNico_P: the next buffering related commit seems to be 15527?
18:38:17Nico_Pyou mean 28?
18:38:23lostlogicyeah, that.
18:38:24Nico_Pthat's the one I'm testing next
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18:39:21Nico_Pit's really annoying not to have RoLo on the gigabeat
18:40:21Nico_Pno problem in r15528
18:41:08lostlogicok, so it happened today.
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18:42:59Nico_Pit's happening in r15533
18:43:12Nico_Plostlogic: and there is actually a glitch
18:44:22lostlogic*reads diff
18:45:05Nico_PI'm checking r15532 just in case
18:47:17lostlogicgrr, neither of those changes looks risky.
18:48:38Nico_Pr15532 is fine
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18:50:26lostlogic:( so it's my lil' handle not break change :(
18:50:29*lostlogic pokes with stick
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18:51:55swimahello :)
18:52:16swimaI have some problems with replacing the battery in a Iriver H340
18:52:25swimaanybody can help?
18:52:40lostlogicswima: try misticriver forums, this is a rockbox supoprt channel, not an iriver support channel.
18:53:06swimalostlogic: I know - I followed the guide in the misticriver forums
18:53:16swimalostlogic: but I wanted to talk to a human being ;-)
18:53:22lostlogicswima: if you followed a guide there... ask them...
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18:53:37lostlogicI think there is a misticriver irc channel.
18:53:41Nico_Pswima: you can slo try #rockbox-community
18:53:58lostlogicwait, I used tob e an op in the misticriver channel.. back when I had an iRiver
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18:54:16swimaI did not find an iriver channel but the misticriver is a good tip
18:54:44swimahmm - on which network is this channel?
18:55:01lostlogicswima: back then it was on IIRC
18:58:04swimahmm - can't find the channel
18:58:22lostlogicNico_P: I don't see the problem with that change :( you gots any idear?
18:58:34Nico_Plostlogic: I was going to ask the same :/
18:59:11Nico_Pswima: try #rockbox-community
18:59:14Nico_Psame server
18:59:55*lostlogic mutters something about gremlins
19:00:10Nico_Plostlogic: maybe logging size before and after the call to prep_bufdata would be of help
19:00:20Nico_Plostlogic: have you tried to repro?
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19:00:35lostlogicNico_P: steps to repro on target? Just lpay a mp3?
19:00:39lostlogican mp3 album that is
19:01:02lostlogicshoot, coffee with team lead, back shortly
19:01:08Nico_Pyeah, play an MP3 album, seek to near the end of the first track and let the transition happen
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19:21:39Nico_Plostlogic: I'm pretty sure I found the bug
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19:28:11Nico_Plostlogic: fixed :D pretty stupid one really
19:30:18linuxstbAny e200 owners around (any variety - vanilla or R) able to test some changes to e200rpatcher? I've built a Windows binary here -
19:30:39linuxstbIt should detect which bootloader is installed - e200, e200r (unpatched) and e200r (patched).
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19:36:10preglowplayback does seem a ton less responsive after mob
19:36:16preglowlike when changing files while buffering, etc
19:36:18preglowis that going to improve?
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19:37:44Nico_Ppreglow: hopefully, but me only having a gigabeat doesn't help
19:37:58Nico_Ppreglow: did this start with MoB, or with subsequent changes?
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19:39:19Nico_Ppreglow: maybe there's a change you could test for me... try changing the audio thread's priority
19:40:04lostlogicNico_P: thanks, sorry I had to run.
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19:40:25Nico_Ppreglow: maybe to PRIORITY_BUFFERING
19:40:59lostlogicNico_P: ahhhh yeah.
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