00:00:11 | Nico_P | :o |
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00:00:12 | jhMikeS | it needs it's own because of timestamping and clocking...it always had it's own but could still use core DSP |
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00:01:31 | * | linuxstb definitely doesn't recognise mpegplayer any more |
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00:02:30 | * | jhMikeS also hasn't put proper copyright info in the files yet...just pasting headers to have them |
00:02:39 | lostlogic | ok, I'm getting volume sensitive again. I have my songs replaygained to 89dB, at -57 volume on ipod and -12dB precut... I want to go quieter. |
00:03:34 | hcs | lostlogic: unplug your headphones |
00:03:39 | Soap | don't clean your ears for a month |
00:03:50 | Soap | make an attenuation cable. |
00:04:01 | lostlogic | hcs: the other day I commented that at the -58 setting on the iPod (mute) I could still hear the music through the chips :-\ |
00:04:18 | lostlogic | Soap: I actually realized after saying that that I have a shure inline volume control, so I'm using it now and I'm better. |
00:04:28 | jhMikeS | frankly I don't know who originated what work in mpegplayer... |
00:04:29 | * | amiconn wonders what kind of phones lostlogic uses |
00:04:35 | jhMikeS | exept my own of course |
00:04:39 | lostlogic | Westone UM2 |
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00:05:14 | webguest78 | Hi! |
00:05:21 | * | amiconn thinks these are either very low impedance, or incredible sensitive |
00:05:52 | webguest78 | Is there anyone still using the H140? |
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00:06:02 | BigBambi | yes |
00:06:04 | amiconn | sure |
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00:06:12 | lostlogic | amiconn: 119dB/mW, 27Ohm |
00:06:20 | lostlogic | http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/mpegplayer-rework.diff |
00:06:24 | webguest78 | do you still have the 40GB drive? |
00:06:25 | lostlogic | oops, wrong paste. |
00:06:29 | BigBambi | no |
00:06:33 | lostlogic | amiconn: http://www.westone.com/content/216.html |
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00:07:09 | scorche|w | lostlogic: aye...for loud volumes, i just use my attenuator...works great |
00:07:26 | scorche|w | well, attentuation...you know what i mean :) |
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00:07:42 | lostlogic | scorche|w: you mean based on your external amp? |
00:07:49 | webguest78 | does the H140 work with the 100GB drive by toshiba? |
00:07:53 | scorche|w | o...when i dont have access to my amp |
00:07:56 | scorche|w | no |
00:08:02 | BigBambi | webguest78: which 100 gb drive? |
00:08:04 | lostlogic | gotcha. |
00:08:25 | BigBambi | webguest78: Have a look on the wiki for the hard drive replacement page |
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00:08:46 | webguest78 | MK-1011GAH |
00:09:04 | BigBambi | webguest78: You need to check the interface etc. |
00:09:11 | BigBambi | Take a look at the wiki |
00:09:39 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
00:09:40 | webguest78 | can you sent me the link? |
00:09:48 | webguest78 | thnx |
00:09:49 | BigBambi | You can search just as well as I can |
00:10:24 | webguest78 | which one do you have built in your H140?? |
00:10:35 | BigBambi | 60 Gb |
00:10:46 | BigBambi | and I believe amiconn has an 80Gb |
00:10:50 | amiconn | yup |
00:10:54 | amiconn | MK8007GAH |
00:11:00 | webguest78 | not bad |
00:11:01 | petur | 80GB is the largest one that has the correct connector |
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00:11:24 | * | petur has an h380 ;) |
00:11:48 | * | amiconn prefers the H1x0 over the H3x0 :P |
00:12:12 | BigBambi | Having played with a H3x0 but not owned one, me too |
00:12:19 | webguest78 | so, ZIF is the NOT working one? |
00:12:27 | linuxstb | correct |
00:12:29 | BigBambi | yes |
00:12:34 | webguest78 | ok, i see |
00:12:52 | amiconn | ZIF doesn't fit, although it's electrically the same, so an adapter would work - if you can find one, or are able to make one |
00:13:13 | petur | there is a link on that wiki page for an adapter (to make yourself) |
00:13:15 | BigBambi | The 60 Gb I have is MK6006GAH |
00:13:34 | webguest78 | so this MK8007GAH is ok ? |
00:13:57 | BigBambi | yes |
00:14:03 | webguest78 | fine |
00:14:17 | BigBambi | but also rare + expensive |
00:14:24 | Xerion | yeah :( |
00:14:29 | webguest78 | 80 GB is enough |
00:14:33 | petur | they're on ebay most of the time |
00:14:35 | jhMikeS | lostlogic: does any of that make sense to adopt or is it too foreign for the core? I know the decoder treatment is way out for playback.c now. |
00:14:46 | Xerion | still have to get a replacement drive for my h140 but I think i'll just get a 60GB one |
00:14:51 | BigBambi | Yeah, on ebay but v. expensive 2nd hand |
00:15:06 | Xerion | only need another one because my original is broken anyway |
00:15:09 | webguest78 | i guess the adapter for the 100GB drive is much more rare... |
00:15:30 | BigBambi | you can make one |
00:15:49 | webguest78 | i dont think so... |
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00:16:37 | BigBambi | well good luck finding a 80 gb for less than a couple of hunred quid |
00:16:48 | BigBambi | *hundred |
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00:17:23 | * | amiconn paid ~160EUR including shipment |
00:17:26 | webguest78 | 126,32 EUR for the 80GB |
00:17:43 | BigBambi | OK, a bit better |
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00:18:00 | BigBambi | On the odd occasion I've seen one it was more |
00:18:06 | BigBambi | But still |
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00:18:26 | Xerion | where's that tho? |
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00:20:11 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: do you think putting some things in IRAM might speed some things up in buffering.c? |
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00:23:34 | n1s | Nico_P: _really_ frequently called functions/executed loops tend to benefit a bit from iram |
00:23:40 | webguest32 | back again........... |
00:23:47 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I doubt it actually. This buffering stuff isn't really too important to have in IRAM not even on coldfire. |
00:24:08 | Nico_P | that's what I though, but some of it was in IRAM in the pre-MoB code |
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00:25:06 | jhMikeS | only reason for that would be data access by COP+CPU |
00:25:11 | webguest32 | hello? |
00:25:20 | webguest32 | big bambi? |
00:25:22 | lostlogic | jhMikeS: reading slowly |
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00:25:31 | BigBambi | webguest32: Yes? |
00:25:37 | webguest32 | ah, ok |
00:26:29 | webguest32 | what do you think about the joystick of the H140? |
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00:27:53 | BigBambi | webguest32: Non-rockbox chat should be elsewhere, such as #rockbox-community |
00:27:59 | webguest32 | is there a possibility to change to better control-button? |
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00:28:51 | jhMikeS | I guess the buffer being treated like a playback device is an oddity |
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00:30:21 | webguest32 | ok, i've to go |
00:30:43 | webguest32 | good night to everybody! |
00:30:49 | BigBambi | night |
00:31:08 | webguest32 | and thanks for the answers |
00:31:13 | BigBambi | np |
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00:33:26 | chuck | hoo folks |
00:34:33 | markun | hi chuck |
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00:40:04 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I tried to sync your patch but I'm really too tired and there are conflicts and rejects :/ |
00:40:10 | amiconn | hmmm |
00:40:26 | Nico_P | I'll give it more time tomorrow |
00:40:49 | amiconn | The lowest backlight level on G5 doesn't like our sw pwm fading |
00:41:17 | amiconn | It doesn't fade, it just switches. Level 2 and higher are okay |
00:41:28 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: the buffering.c thing? |
00:41:39 | jhMikeS | I'm don't doubt it |
00:41:42 | jhMikeS | *I |
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00:42:20 | barrywardell | does anyone know, did version 1.0.3 of rbutilqt ever get released in the end? |
00:42:53 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: yes, with the mutexes |
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00:43:25 | Nico_P | anyway, off to bed now |
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00:47:26 | amiconn | preglow: There is a fairly easy method to find unused functions and data: Compile with sectioned compilation, then link without garbage collection in the first run and with garbage collection in the second run. Compare the .map files. |
00:48:02 | amiconn | I did this once with the core, in hwcodec-only times... |
00:48:16 | preglow | hmm |
00:48:19 | preglow | i'll do that |
00:48:54 | amiconn | Of course you need to mark a few functions with KEEP() in the .lds |
00:49:12 | preglow | oh? |
00:49:18 | preglow | right, yeah |
00:49:42 | funglist | anyone got a compile rockbox for nano with scrub/double click patch installed? |
00:49:45 | amiconn | Iirc the linker just keeps main() by default, so if there is no main, the link result with garbage collection would be an empty file |
00:50:13 | jhMikeS | lostlogic: if you actually want to run the thing and the audio misbehaves, just comment lines 81-89 in pcm_ouput.c. might want to comment line 139 as well (a debug splash). |
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01:13:40 | XavierGr | Soap__: IMHO you don't need a "physical" book these days (to learn C), internet is full of tutorials and very good programming guides |
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01:17:55 | Luke14789 | hello i have a slight problem with my E200 sansa and rockbox could any1 help ??? |
01:18:13 | preglow | just ask |
01:18:59 | Luke14789 | well the rockbox works flawlessly but everytime i plug it in - it shows the USB icon but the PC does nothing |
01:19:13 | Luke14789 | so i cant put any music or anything on it |
01:19:32 | preglow | rockbox doesn't support usb on sansas yet |
01:19:35 | preglow | it's being worked on |
01:19:41 | Luke14789 | ohhhh |
01:19:44 | preglow | you have to use the original firmware for usb for now |
01:19:48 | jhMikeS | press "|<<" when first starting it |
01:19:59 | Luke14789 | so there's no way of making this work jsut yet |
01:20:03 | pixelma | Luke14789: turn your e200 off and then connect usb, or start into original firmware yourself and then connect |
01:20:35 | Luke14789 | lemme try this |
01:21:01 | Luke14789 | oh ho |
01:21:03 | Luke14789 | got it |
01:21:13 | Luke14789 | so now it booted into the original firmware i see |
01:21:36 | Luke14789 | should it be in MSC or MTP ? |
01:21:44 | jhMikeS | MSC |
01:21:54 | Luke14789 | gotcha |
01:22:08 | Luke14789 | tyvm for the help |
01:22:11 | jhMikeS | actually, it's not really important...so long as you can access it |
01:22:17 | Luke14789 | oh ok |
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01:23:07 | preglow | hmm |
01:23:14 | preglow | do we support any hd based players still for sale? |
01:23:26 | jhMikeS | they still sell them? |
01:23:40 | preglow | as in retail sale, yes |
01:25:42 | JdGordon | something wrong with svn server? |
01:27:16 | preglow | i'll take that as a no :> |
01:28:10 | jhMikeS | why's that important? compiling TPS reports? |
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01:29:17 | preglow | jhMikeS: good to know in case someone asks |
01:30:36 | jhMikeS | do we support any hd based player still availale for retail sale? :p |
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01:32:57 | * | jhMikeS put on the butt pads in advance |
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01:34:22 | jhMikeS | bloody...ok I haven't updated to to latest SVN (but it's from 11/08) on e200 but it's not playing to the end of MP3's now. :\ |
01:35:57 | Calcipher | don't want nothing to do with tha build hehe |
01:36:00 | preglow | :( |
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01:36:32 | * | jhMikeS will update then |
01:36:36 | * | Calcipher chokes cygwin |
01:36:56 | * | jhMikeS keeps pushing the wrong buttons on e200 now |
01:37:32 | Calcipher | are they rearranged now? |
01:37:35 | jhMikeS | yeah |
01:37:40 | Calcipher | oh? |
01:38:01 | jhMikeS | look in the commits - not sure what r |
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01:40:08 | Calcipher | yeah was jus reading the dramatic commit |
01:40:24 | midgey | it was r15461 that changed the e200 keymap |
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01:47:03 | Calcipher | thought something was off |
01:47:22 | Calcipher | was not bad before though, and I use voice |
01:47:29 | JdGordon | im used to the new keymap.. but its still not as nice as before |
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01:48:25 | * | jhMikeS got used to the old keymap in minutes - with one exception - the short press for context menu instead of long like usual |
01:49:05 | * | JdGordon 's 4gb microsd has gone walk abots :'( |
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01:50:17 | jhMikeS | Is that a fancy Aussie way of saying "It's dead, Jim?" |
01:50:26 | JdGordon | no.. its vanished! |
01:50:37 | jhMikeS | ah...a transporter incident |
01:50:40 | JdGordon | im hoping its still in the reader which would make it slightyl easier to find |
01:52:18 | JdGordon | grrr... and i just emptied half of stkilda beach into my room :'( |
01:52:21 | JdGordon | stupid sand |
01:53:04 | Calcipher | oh man, bad business |
01:53:09 | Calcipher | gl jd |
01:53:33 | preglow | stop whining about beaches |
01:53:37 | preglow | insensitive bastards |
01:53:56 | preglow | it's been dark for eight hours, rain's beating against the windows, and it's bloody cold :/ |
01:54:03 | JdGordon | aawwww |
01:54:11 | Calcipher | unless theres something really important changed, I don't think I'll update my friends rb setup |
01:54:35 | midgey | it snowed here... |
01:54:57 | Calcipher | he can do it himself, but if its working well enough why do it, hes blind, and picked up the mapping in a snap, used to it now |
01:55:23 | Calcipher | where are you preglow? |
01:55:30 | Calcipher | sounds rough |
01:57:38 | preglow | norway |
01:58:02 | preglow | and no, nothing big has happened, you might as well postpone updating rockbox unless you have already done so pretty recently |
01:58:36 | jhMikeS | preglow: so you get the people going insane from the darkness and they have to be thrown out in the snow? my gf had to get a wakeup like that there. :) |
01:58:42 | Calcipher | I did last night, so I noticed the differences, haha I thought I was imagining things |
01:58:54 | Calcipher | didn't expect a change like that |
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01:59:10 | Cardboardcorn | Hi |
01:59:23 | Calcipher | wow haha |
01:59:54 | preglow | jhMikeS: haha, getting depressed around these times is common enough, but i don't know many people who go mad :P |
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02:00:11 | preglow | the darkness i don't mind much, the bloody sideways rain and wind i do |
02:00:24 | Soap | Llorean, I stickied the "Latest Rockbox not working on Nano" thread - before another one pops up. I really do think at least a mention of the issue should be somewhere more prominent, perhaps the front page. |
02:00:35 | Cardboardcorn | I feel stupid, but what's rockbox written in? |
02:00:42 | preglow | Cardboardcorn: c and assembler |
02:01:18 | Cardboardcorn | So I could edit plugins and things if I knew c? I know some c.. |
02:01:20 | jhMikeS | more like the darkest regions of our ids |
02:02:33 | preglow | Cardboardcorn: sure |
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02:02:48 | Cardboardcorn | Thanks preglow :) |
02:03:26 | jhMikeS | preglow: so...howsa the integrated voice coming? |
02:03:39 | JdGordon | stupid build server is fubar again :'( my commit didnt start a build |
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02:04:23 | preglow | jhMikeS: picking on it a bit now, really just porting some remaining floating point code to fixed point |
02:04:48 | preglow | but i think my brain is trying to call it a day |
02:12:19 | preglow | haha, feature request for n64 emulator on _sansa_ |
02:13:20 | * | midgey is speechless |
02:15:36 | Calcipher | ha, wow |
02:15:58 | Calcipher | I'm amazed that person figured out how to make a request... |
02:18:11 | jhMikeS | where does one get the idea that OSS = no limitations? :\ |
02:18:58 | JdGordon | im more concered that he thought you could play n64 just because you can play gb |
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02:20:32 | * | midgey begins adding n64 support to rockboy |
02:20:46 | Calcipher | haha |
02:21:07 | * | jhMikeS wants wii, xbox 360, and ps3 emulators |
02:21:09 | midgey | while im at it, lets add psp. its a handheld, it must be similar! |
02:31:03 | krazykit | jhMikeS, shoot for the stars, i want a ps4 emulator. |
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02:31:56 | idnar | wooo, xbox 360 emulator! |
02:31:58 | * | idnar hides |
02:32:20 | preglow | i want a pc emulator so i can run all the other emulators you mention when they get released for the pc |
02:32:36 | preglow | we could theoretically harness the power of the broadcom chip for this, i imagine |
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02:34:23 | idnar | hmm, haven't updated rockbox on my player for almost a year, guess it's time ;) |
02:37:04 | jhMikeS | preglow: theoretically of course...and quite imaginative :) |
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02:44:39 | idnar | hmm |
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02:44:49 | jpt9 | hey |
02:45:08 | jpt9 | how much RAM does the Sansa have (that would be available to run apps under Rockbox in)? |
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02:54:08 | Langly | more than ewe |
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02:57:13 | Calcipher | isn't it like 29mb |
02:57:16 | jpt9 | i'm wondering if it would be possible to port Frotz (Zmachine) to rockbox. Zmachines ran on Apple IIs with 128k of RAM and a 1MHz processor, so they should be fine on an 80MHz Sansa... |
02:57:29 | jpt9 | and a lot more practical than a Gameboy emulator in terms of performance. |
02:57:33 | Calcipher | available |
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03:05:14 | jpt9 | anyone else here like text adventures? |
03:05:27 | hcs | jpt9: how would that work with a sansa button layout? |
03:05:35 | jpt9 | dunno. |
03:05:40 | jpt9 | onscreen keyboard? |
03:05:49 | jpt9 | and some sort of a keyword list/pick a word from the screen thingy? |
03:06:02 | hcs | sounds good |
03:06:06 | jpt9 | just assign, say, play, to pull up the OSK. |
03:06:21 | jpt9 | not sure how the other stuff would work... |
03:06:30 | jpt9 | wonder if Rec could be used for something...? |
03:06:39 | hcs | I |
03:06:41 | jpt9 | it'd be quite cool being able to play text adventures/ |
03:06:43 | jpt9 | . |
03:07:01 | jpt9 | and would (I think) certainly be within the processing power of all of the devices Rockbox supports. |
03:07:08 | hcs | certainly |
03:07:23 | * | jpt9 has no clue how to port Frotz to rockbox. |
03:07:45 | jpt9 | can you guys underclock the processor? |
03:08:01 | jpt9 | like to, say, 8MHz, if that's all you need for text adventures (assuming there isn't music playing)? |
03:08:19 | Mouser_X | For pp targets, my understanding is that they can be brought down. |
03:08:29 | jpt9 | pp? |
03:08:42 | Mouser_X | PP = iPod, Sansa, and others. |
03:08:53 | Mouser_X | (It's their CPU type) |
03:09:03 | jpt9 | ah. |
03:09:05 | hcs | I'm reverting back to the "better behaved buffering" version of the ADX codec. Sorry I keep flipping back and forth with this, but the old hacky version that used to work now does not (since all the recent adjustments to the buffering). |
03:09:36 | Mouser_X | They tried to dynamically change the CPU speed on the Gigabeat as well, but it just bugged stuff up, so they left it as-is. |
03:09:43 | Mouser_X | (Which is 300 mhz) |
03:09:50 | hcs | And while the "better" version tends to fail on looping (when the buffer has been shrunk), at least it doesn't produce deafening static when it fails. |
03:10:00 | Mouser_X | (At least, as I recall they tried to implement that feature for the Gigabeat.) |
03:10:01 | jpt9 | isn't 300MHz a bit overkill for an mp3 player? |
03:10:06 | hcs | and they both fail with around the same frequency |
03:10:22 | Mouser_X | Probably, but it does *anything* you want it too (that's within |
03:10:30 | Mouser_X | Rockbox's capablilty) |
03:10:34 | jpt9 | yeah. |
03:10:39 | hcs | jpt9: yeah, it can play videos just fine on the CPU, and they didn't even use that within the original firmware |
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03:10:48 | jpt9 | well yeah... |
03:10:56 | jpt9 | my 206MHz Palm T|E2 can play video. |
03:11:02 | jpt9 | as can my cell phone. |
03:11:11 | hcs | still, they didn't use it, so it was overkill |
03:11:17 | jpt9 | yeah. |
03:11:26 | jpt9 | how bad is the battery life on one of those? |
03:11:36 | Mouser_X | With 300 mhz, the Gigabeat could emulate the SNES (if the emulator was optimized enough). |
03:11:36 | hcs | quite good, actually |
03:11:38 | jpt9 | i mean, if it actually has a use for all the cpu power, low battery life would be fine... |
03:11:40 | jpt9 | oh. |
03:11:56 | Mouser_X | Yes. Battery life on the Gigabeat is at least 15 hours. |
03:12:07 | jpt9 | how long does the Sansa e200 last under rockbox? |
03:12:35 | hcs | jpt9: In my experience about 8 hours. |
03:12:40 | jpt9 | not bad. |
03:12:46 | jpt9 | probably longer than I'll use it. |
03:12:56 | jpt9 | or rather, listen to it in a day. |
03:13:01 | billenium | How about iPod First Generation? |
03:13:15 | billenium | iPod Nano* |
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03:16:01 | chuck_ | hi folks |
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03:17:01 | chuck_ | is this the right place to ask some very basic questions? |
03:17:25 | hcs | chuck_: if they're basic questions about Rockbox, sure |
03:17:33 | chuck_ | great |
03:17:43 | hcs | chuck_: but people might point you to the manual if they're too basic |
03:18:19 | chuck_ | I looked in the manual and couldn't find an answer |
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03:19:48 | chuck_ | when i try to play an mp3 file that i copied on to my ipod, it only plays about a minute, and then locks up |
03:20:49 | billenium | what is your mp3? |
03:20:53 | billenium | it might help us. |
03:21:59 | chuck_ | it was downloaded as a podcast on itunes and then copied to my ipod after i installed rockbox |
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03:22:16 | billenium | what is your mp3?! |
03:22:31 | hcs | billenium: are you asking him to upload it somewhere? |
03:22:42 | billenium | oh |
03:22:43 | billenium | mp3 player |
03:22:45 | billenium | my bad |
03:22:46 | billenium | xD |
03:22:59 | chuck_ | it is an ipod 60 gig video |
03:23:29 | hcs | chuck_: what version of rockbox are you using? |
03:24:22 | chuck_ | r15545-071108 |
03:25:40 | hcs | chuck_: And does this same mp3 fail every time you try to play it, at the same time? |
03:26:13 | hcs | chuck_: and if you try to play it from the iPod drive while it is attached to the PC, does it play all the way through? |
03:26:25 | chuck_ | the message i get is undefined instruction at 00F7D4 |
03:26:55 | billenium | chuck_: reboot or rehard boot your ipod (restarting it) then quickly flick the hold button on. |
03:27:09 | billenium | It should boot to your regular iPod Apple Firmware |
03:27:15 | billenium | See if the song plays now. |
03:28:17 | chuck_ | yes, it plays in the regular ipod mode |
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03:28:45 | jchord | :q |
03:28:49 | billenium | Weird |
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03:28:59 | hcs | chuck_: It sounds, as you'd expect, like an issue within Rockbox, but I don't know how to proceed with debugging it. You might try making a bug tracker entry describing all you just said here. |
03:29:15 | billenium | ^^ |
03:29:30 | chuck_ | ok, i just thought i was doing someting wrong with the install |
03:29:56 | chuck_ | thanks for your help |
03:30:01 | billenium | or maybe |
03:30:09 | billenium | you can compile an old build and use that? |
03:30:25 | hcs | chuck_: That may well be the case, if I were you I'd wait around until someone more authoritative can give you a diagnosis, or advice. |
03:31:46 | hcs | chuck_: how large is the MP3 file? |
03:32:07 | billenium | *cough* make your own build from an old source? *cough* |
03:32:30 | chuck_ | it is about 12 megs −− it is a 30 minute radio show |
03:32:41 | chuck_ | how do i do that billenium? |
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03:33:13 | SeSsi0n | is this the rockbox for ipods? |
03:33:38 | hcs | SeSsi0n: Yes, and a wide variety of other digital audio players as well. |
03:33:59 | SeSsi0n | thank you |
03:34:04 | SeSsi0n | im having problems |
03:34:09 | SeSsi0n | can ya help? |
03:34:12 | billenium | chuck_: whats your OS |
03:34:15 | billenium | ? |
03:34:20 | chuck_ | pclos |
03:34:28 | SeSsi0n | i cant seem to play idoom on my ipod |
03:34:46 | billenium | SeSsi0n: did you even install it? |
03:34:50 | SeSsi0n | yeah |
03:34:52 | SeSsi0n | i think |
03:35:03 | SeSsi0n | its on there but all i got was a txt file sending me here |
03:35:06 | hcs | SeSsi0n: ok, idoom isn't part of rockbox, do you mean rockdoom? |
03:35:16 | SeSsi0n | no it says idoom in my files list |
03:35:24 | billenium | in your plugins? |
03:35:26 | Mouser_X | Where'd you get idoom? |
03:35:29 | SeSsi0n | i have ipod linux installed aswell |
03:35:39 | Mouser_X | That'd by why it's not playing. |
03:35:45 | Mouser_X | idoom won't work in Rockobx. |
03:35:50 | SeSsi0n | ahhhhh |
03:35:53 | Mouser_X | *Rockbox. |
03:35:53 | hcs | SeSsi0n: idoom is for ipodlinux, rockbox has a different port of doom, which comes with the standard install |
03:35:56 | billenium | Chuck_: im pretty sure you can compile it with linux... idk i only used Ubuntu and Windows to compile it before |
03:35:57 | SeSsi0n | so witch is better rockbox of idoom? |
03:36:09 | SeSsi0n | rock box or ipod linux i mean |
03:36:15 | SeSsi0n | id rather use one or the other |
03:36:24 | hcs | SeSsi0n: depends on your taste, we prefer rockbox around here. |
03:36:24 | * | Mouser_X never plays DOOM in Rockbox. |
03:36:50 | SeSsi0n | is there anything even different |
03:36:59 | SeSsi0n | im just used to the apple os |
03:37:30 | hcs | SeSsi0n: Rockbox focuses on playing music. If that's what you want to do with your ipod rockbox may be the better choice. |
03:37:43 | Soap | We can't speak as to ipodlinux, though they do have their own IRC channel, #ipodlinux. You really should read our and their instructions, play with both, and see what you like. |
03:37:50 | billenium | chuck_: if you are still here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile |
03:37:58 | SeSsi0n | thanks |
03:38:11 | chuck_ | thanks, i'll check it out |
03:38:16 | billenium | k |
03:38:29 | billenium | It took me a while, but im pretty stupid so it will probably take you less time. |
03:39:31 | chuck_ | i doubt that. i had enough trouble just getting wireless working. |
03:39:54 | billenium | i never got wireless working, so i just ran wire down my stairs |
03:39:55 | SeSsi0n | i also installed something else |
03:40:00 | SeSsi0n | lemme see what is is |
03:40:16 | chuck_ | i'am as new and green as I can be when it comes to compiling and installing |
03:40:26 | SeSsi0n | i launch |
03:40:30 | SeSsi0n | wahts that all about? |
03:40:30 | billenium | how new are you to the linux seen? |
03:40:37 | chuck_ | real new |
03:40:45 | billenium | meh |
03:40:47 | billenium | so was i |
03:40:50 | SeSsi0n | Ilaunch its called |
03:40:52 | billenium | only took me a compile hours |
03:40:56 | billenium | SeSsi0n |
03:40:59 | SeSsi0n | yeah |
03:40:59 | krazykit | could we try to stay on topic? |
03:41:04 | billenium | im pretty sure thats a part of ipodlinux |
03:41:09 | SeSsi0n | ahhh ok |
03:41:23 | SeSsi0n | well they tend not to answer in ipodlinux |
03:41:28 | billenium | chuck_: ill do it for you xD |
03:41:28 | SeSsi0n | the channel |
03:41:42 | billenium | Chuck_: i already have it set up, so i might as well |
03:41:47 | chuck_ | thanks |
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03:42:22 | Soap | SeSsi0n, regardless of ipodlinux's responsiveness, we don't talk ipodlinux here. |
03:42:29 | SeSsi0n | ok ok |
03:42:30 | billenium | SeSsi0n: ilaunch is something that lets you to launch many Firmwares like ipodlinux, rockbox, apple |
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03:42:45 | billenium | google = friend |
03:42:49 | SeSsi0n | well wheni go to it it just has a bunch of games |
03:42:59 | SeSsi0n | google always gives me crap |
03:43:06 | webguest80 | when i try to insatll the rockbox themes on my sansa e200, everything works except for the media player under now playing. I just get the default player. anyone know what i am doing wrong? |
03:43:07 | saratoga | i modified a plugin but now I get an incompatible version error when i try to run it |
03:43:13 | saratoga | any idea what causes that |
03:43:15 | webguest80 | install* |
03:43:46 | billenium | where can i download the old rockbox sources? |
03:43:51 | SeSsi0n | anyone know where i can get better themes and maybe some games ported for it? |
03:43:54 | billenium | not that old, just older than the current one |
03:44:10 | billenium | SeSsi0n: www.google.com |
03:44:16 | SeSsi0n | ok thanks |
03:44:21 | saratoga | billenium: you can download any version by putting it's r number into SVN |
03:44:37 | hcs | billenium: check out http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN |
03:44:47 | billenium | does SVN work with linux? |
03:45:04 | Soap | webguest80, a WPS doesn't change the player - it changes the appearance of the WhilePlayingScreen - Rockbox used to attempt to "play" broken WPSs, and would display them with glitches or misaligned text, etc. Now when Rockbox sees a broken WPS it defaults to showing the default WPS - which is what you are describing. |
03:45:32 | qwm | there are clothes in my closet! |
03:45:51 | Soap | the WPS you attempted to use is either out of date (using formatting strings which have been changed/updated) or it is using formatting codes which need a non-stock, Unsupported, build. |
03:46:13 | billenium | svn doesn't work in my terminal |
03:46:21 | billenium | xD |
03:46:24 | webguest80 | oh, thanks you for the reply |
03:46:43 | billenium | Is there a place i can download older versions of rockbox source |
03:47:03 | Soap | billenium, by using SVN you can checkout any version of the source you want. |
03:47:54 | * | Soap didn't catch saratoga's earlier reply saying the same thing. |
03:48:03 | billenium | isnt that only for cygwin though/ |
03:48:13 | billenium | i tried pluging it into my terminal and it didnt work |
03:48:16 | billenium | or maybe im confused |
03:48:26 | saratoga | well you will need svn installed |
03:48:35 | Soap | no - I dare say, billenium, that more people use SVN in Linux than in cywin |
03:48:49 | saratoga | Soap: do you know anything about what causes "incompatible version" errors in rockbox with plugins? |
03:49:16 | billenium | nvm, sorry chuck_ i cant help |
03:49:35 | Soap | saratoga, I thought that only came when the plugin was compiled from a different source revision than the main rockbox "program" |
03:49:38 | billenium | you can try it yourself, just ask questions here |
03:49:53 | Calcipher | thats funny, I just finished the install process for cygwin and rb |
03:49:59 | chuck_ | ok, thanks |
03:50:08 | Calcipher | haven't even ran it yet |
03:50:31 | billenium | chuck_, is your no chuck? |
03:50:37 | billenium | is your name* |
03:50:43 | * | billenium is tired and cant think |
03:51:32 | chuck_ | yes, it is |
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03:52:26 | billenium | Soap/saratoga: i found it: http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=source thanks anyways |
03:52:40 | SeSsi0n | how do i delete rockbox imma try to reinstall it |
03:52:54 | Soap | SeSsi0n, that is covered in the manual. |
03:53:11 | SeSsi0n | whats manual? |
03:53:12 | Soap | The same section which deals with installation also deals with uninstallation. |
03:53:33 | Soap | The manual is linked to on the left hand side of most every page on rockbox.org |
03:53:41 | billenium | SeSi0n: first off ROFL, second... run the bootloader again, and when it ask I,U,N type in U for uninstall. Then delete .rockbox |
03:54:08 | billenium | I'm pretty sure that is how. |
03:54:26 | SeSsi0n | geeez im new to this dont laugh |
03:55:12 | billenium | I am not even sure how you installed it without the manual... |
03:55:14 | billenium | but what ever |
03:55:37 | Soap | SeSsi0n, unlike many open source projects, Rockbox has a very well written and comprehensive manual. You are more than encouraged to read it - you are actually /expected/ to read it (or at least search it) before asking for help on the IRC channel. |
03:57:33 | SeSsi0n | it happens alot and people wonder how i do it with hardly no problems i did the same thing with my psp and my buddies were like and you didnt read anything LOl |
03:58:23 | billenium | cuz thats something to brag about lol |
03:59:38 | billenium | chuck_ are you still there? I forget, what ipod did you say you had? a video? |
04:00 |
04:00:04 | SeSsi0n | not brag its just funny they read all the stuff and i do it no problem with out reading a thing |
04:00:31 | billenium | ROFL, you can upgrade your ipod videos RAM? |
04:02:01 | billenium | I hope chuck didnt leave... |
04:02:06 | billenium | I dont want to do this all for nothing |
04:02:13 | chuck_ | sorry, i have a 60 gig video ipod |
04:02:23 | billenium | Thanks |
04:02:33 | billenium | Okay, im going to make it for you |
04:02:41 | chuck_ | ok, thanks |
04:02:44 | billenium | and your music is going to be under Chuck's Music |
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04:06:22 | billenium | chuck_: you wouldn't know how much RAM is in your ipod video? |
04:06:37 | billenium | if you don't, did you ever upgrade your RAM? |
04:07:28 | psycho_maniac | who is this MarcGuay person? good job in updating a lot of wiki pages lately |
04:08:51 | chuck_ | no, sorry, i am unsure |
04:08:51 | Calcipher | can anyone guide me on some cygwin set up? all I need it for is to create talk file clips |
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04:09:13 | psycho_maniac | did u not look up cimple guide to compiling |
04:09:18 | Calcipher | this is an incredibly involved and complicated distance to go for this alone it seems |
04:10:00 | Calcipher | well you see, I have no knowledge of compiling anything in the first place |
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04:10:34 | psycho_maniac | that tells you how to install cygwin to compile |
04:10:39 | billenium | yeargh!.... |
04:10:43 | billenium | sorry chuck_ i cant |
04:10:47 | chuck_ | I have not personally upgraded my ram, the ipod was restored by a friend and he may have but idk |
04:10:48 | billenium | file a bug report |
04:11:09 | billenium | (upgrading the RAM, i believe, means you will have to open it. |
04:11:13 | billenium | ) |
04:11:19 | billenium | if it is anything like computer RAM |
04:11:41 | krazykit | pretty sure it's not really similar at all |
04:11:41 | billenium | -/Sleepings\- |
04:11:41 | psycho_maniac | correct |
04:12:09 | Soap | you can't upgrade the RAM in an iPod Video. 30GB iPod videos have 32 megs, 60 and 80 GB Videos have 64 |
04:12:12 | Soap | it is one of the two ways in which Apple increased the runtime of the 60/80 GB models. The other being a larger batter to take advantage of the thicker case due to the dual-platter hard drive. |
04:12:19 | Soap | s/batter/battery/ |
04:12:31 | chuck_ | okay, well thankyou =] |
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04:13:31 | psycho_maniac | can you upgrade the ram in the h1xx? |
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04:14:05 | krazykit | you really can't upgrade the RAM on any player, at least not without some rather expensive tools |
04:14:19 | psycho_maniac | solder |
04:14:33 | krazykit | you wish. you'd need an SMD rework station, i'd think. |
04:14:44 | psycho_maniac | or a hammer |
04:14:53 | ChrisL | Hi. I exhausted google searching for any info but I just can't seem to find it. Where can I find the pinout for the bottom connector of the Sansa E200 series? I know that there is no complete info, but I just got my woot.com referb sansa and I want to tear it up (I bought 2). |
04:14:54 | krazykit | regardless, it's not a feasable project. |
04:15:00 | Calcipher | brb, I did install, but now I need to compile |
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04:20:44 | ChrisL | My car got broken into and I lost all of my electrical tools and I want to create a working dock and publish an at-least semi complete pinout so we may have a possibility of addressing the data from the pins. |
04:21:08 | ChrisL | I am looking to go to the local electronics store to purchase new tools on friday−− payday |
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04:27:32 | chuck_ | well, thanks for all the help. i guess i'm stuck with having to use itunes until i can get this figured out |
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04:30:29 | psycho_maniac | what was chucks problem? just curious? |
04:31:37 | Mouser_X | psycho_maniac: An MP3 wouldn't play. |
04:32:00 | chuck_ | noy just one, any mp3 i try |
04:32:11 | psycho_maniac | just one? what was that about ram? |
04:32:34 | Mouser_X | All MP3s? I didn't realize that. |
04:32:43 | Calcipher | psycho_maniac, you ever use cygwin? |
04:32:56 | * | Mouser_X has. |
04:32:58 | psycho_maniac | no. i use vmware player |
04:33:00 | Calcipher | I have the rockbox-bleeding tarball... odd name |
04:33:27 | Calcipher | oh, Mouser_X can you point me in the right direction here |
04:33:37 | Mouser_X | Why would you have that? Did you look at SimpleGuideToCompiling ? |
04:33:42 | chuck_ | yeah, the message is the same on all of them −− the message i get is undefined instruction at 00F7D4 |
04:33:47 | Calcipher | how the hell do I use the tarball in cygwin, and what the hell do I do now! |
04:33:55 | Mouser_X | (I never saw/downloaded any tarballs that I can remember... |
04:34:06 | Calcipher | don't think so |
04:34:21 | Calcipher | Is that what I need to make talk clips? |
04:34:40 | Calcipher | so, I'll try whatever method works |
04:34:55 | psycho_maniac | u can make talk clips with rockbox utilityQT |
04:35:05 | Mouser_X | Read that. It's what I used to setup and get cygwin running. |
04:35:25 | billenium | Wait chuck_ are you still therE? |
04:35:29 | Mouser_X | psycho_maniac: Ah. I've never used the RB utility... I probably should. |
04:35:37 | billenium | if it is just that one song, than find the song on your computer/ipod |
04:35:51 | chuck_ | yeah, but it's gettin late for this old man! |
04:35:52 | billenium | make a new folder on your ipod called "Song" |
04:35:59 | billenium | then put the song in there |
04:36:01 | billenium | nvm |
04:36:12 | billenium | but you can try that tomorrow if you like |
04:36:18 | Mouser_X | billenium: He said "<chuck_> noy just one, any mp3 i try" |
04:36:23 | Mouser_X | I don't think it's just one file. |
04:36:54 | chuck_ | it's not. i've tried several dozen from different sources |
04:37:03 | billenium | o.0 |
04:37:07 | billenium | blows... |
04:37:11 | psycho_maniac | u can make talk clips and voice files |
04:38:05 | psycho_maniac | i mean voice file. if that makes a difference |
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04:42:28 | Calcipher | Ok, so now I have rb from svn, so I'm getting somewhere |
04:43:16 | psycho_maniac | vmware is so easy but i imagine that cygwin is as easy once u get the hang of it |
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04:45:12 | Calcipher | well funny enough I have vmware debian set up too |
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04:45:34 | psycho_maniac | lol so why do u want cywgin? |
04:45:44 | Calcipher | just that I want to use sapi5 for voices |
04:46:02 | Calcipher | I want a sexy ladies voice damnit |
04:46:09 | Mouser_X | ... |
04:46:14 | * | billenium points to Soap |
04:46:16 | Calcipher | reading my rb |
04:46:25 | Calcipher | haha |
04:46:46 | psycho_maniac | haha |
04:47:33 | psycho_maniac | Calcipher: u can only do that in cygwin? |
04:47:49 | Calcipher | its my right as a stubborn fool |
04:48:19 | Calcipher | psycho_maniac I'm not completely sure, but that how I understand it |
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04:48:56 | Calcipher | since I couldn't figure out how to access some tts setup for linux I have on my ntfs drives |
04:48:58 | psycho_maniac | i wouldnt mind a sxy ladies voice, but im not gonna install cygwin to do it |
04:49:14 | Calcipher | otherwise I would have used debian and that TTS I have |
04:49:26 | Calcipher | haha |
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04:49:53 | Calcipher | well I haven't even made file or dir clips once yet, so with the setup I'll create those too |
04:50:12 | Mouser_X | If it can be done in cygwin, then, according to my understanding, there's no reason it can't be done under Linux. |
04:50:33 | Mouser_X | (In fact, cygwin is obviously inferior in some notable areas.) |
04:50:56 | Mouser_X | (Time spent building Rockbox being the big one.) |
04:51:26 | Calcipher | yeah, well I wouldn't know how to do that in linux, unless one of you bright youngsters could direct me in the right path |
04:52:27 | Calcipher | I'm still kind of lost as to why i need to compile my own version of rb, just for generating voice clips |
04:53:03 | psycho_maniac | i didnt know that. where u see that? |
04:54:36 | Calcipher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding |
04:55:01 | Calcipher | if you follow those instructions, it takes you through 3 other sections |
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04:57:06 | Calcipher | well I guess I was mistaken, I don't need to compile it, but I need the source, ok so thats not so bad |
04:57:09 | Luke14789 | guys i got a question about rockbox on the sansa e200 could any1 help ? |
04:57:34 | Calcipher | I probably can't, but I can try! |
04:57:40 | Mouser_X | Luke14789: Did you read the link in the topic (I'll assume you didn't.)? |
04:57:56 | psycho_maniac | dont ask to ask a question JUST ASK IT |
04:58:09 | Luke14789 | how do i put vids on it ? and i read the manual |
04:58:22 | Luke14789 | noob question huh |
04:58:23 | Mouser_X | (Notably, you used any1, as opposed to anyone. Also, why ask to ask a question? You've already asked one, to ask one!) |
04:58:53 | Luke14789 | um ok sry tryin to be polite |
04:59:11 | Mouser_X | Luke14789: Check the wiki under PluginMpegplayer |
04:59:52 | Calcipher | go to extras on the left, and you'll see the mpegplayer plugin info there |
05:00 |
05:00:01 | Luke14789 | ok ty and now lets say i wanted to make a folder named 'ROCK" for example - and put all of my rock songs in it - is that possible |
05:00:05 | Calcipher | you should find links to info on your questions |
05:00:32 | Mouser_X | Luke14789: You can arrange your files anyway you wish with Rockbox. It uses a directory structure. |
05:01:01 | Luke14789 | I kno but all i see is video, photo, tmp - but no rock |
05:01:07 | Calcipher | or it can use info from the tracks tags, like genre |
05:01:29 | Calcipher | using database |
05:01:54 | Mouser_X | Luke14789: So what? Create one then. It's not important what's there right now. It uses a directory structure, so it can see all the files, regardless of where they are. |
05:02:03 | Luke14789 | yea i don't like that very much b/c it sorts the songs not the way i want it - I'd like to sort em out myslef - make separate folders etc |
05:02:18 | Mouser_X | Then do that. |
05:02:31 | Mouser_X | It's what I did on my Gigabeat. |
05:02:50 | Luke14789 | umm i did.... No ROCK folder visible as i already mentioned |
05:03:07 | Luke14789 | does it matter in what USB mode it is ? |
05:03:21 | Mouser_X | Probably. |
05:03:39 | Mouser_X | What player is this? |
05:03:49 | Mouser_X | (iPod, Sansa, Gigabeat, etc) |
05:03:50 | Luke14789 | Sansa e200 |
05:04:27 | Mouser_X | I don't have one of those (yet), but it needs to be in disk mode (or whatever that is) so that your PC accesses it as an external disk. |
05:04:30 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
05:04:44 | Luke14789 | ok so MSC then |
05:04:50 | krazykit | right. |
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05:05:16 | Luke14789 | lemme try this |
05:05:56 | Luke14789 | ok so it's in MSC - i created folder named "rock' in the root directory - |
05:06:32 | Luke14789 | and now started Rockbox - and went to Files and all i see is root,VIDEO,PHOTO,RECORD |
05:07:02 | Luke14789 | what am i doing wrong |
05:07:18 | Mouser_X | Try creating a directory *with* Rockbox? As in, while inside and running Rockbox? |
05:07:36 | Mouser_X | (It's in the manual on how to do that. I'm not familiar enough with the |
05:07:46 | Mouser_X | Sansa controls to tell you how to do it>) |
05:12:12 | Luke14789 | jeez - ok so now i created a dir inside rockbox - went into the reg firmware and dragged some music files in the new dir... Started up rockbox - the Directory is there but nothing in it.... |
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05:13:49 | Mouser_X | Luke14789: What filetype settings are you using? |
05:14:00 | Mouser_X | *file display |
05:14:13 | Luke14789 | MSC |
05:14:23 | Mouser_X | No, that's not what I asked. |
05:14:28 | Luke14789 | i'm sorry |
05:14:35 | Luke14789 | got me lost there |
05:14:41 | Mouser_X | In Rockbox, what file display settings are you using? |
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05:15:36 | Mouser_X | The options are "All" "Supported" "Music" and "Playlists" |
05:15:48 | Luke14789 | ohh |
05:15:58 | Mouser_X | (This may not actually be the problem, but it might help.) |
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05:16:16 | Mouser_X | Whatever it is, change it to "all" and see if that makes a difference. |
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05:16:23 | Luke14789 | o had it on playlists... |
05:16:28 | Luke14789 | let me change it |
05:17:21 | Luke14789 | oh wow now i got it |
05:17:24 | Luke14789 | that was it |
05:17:58 | Luke14789 | thx a lot |
05:18:09 | Mouser_X | There you go then. I use "Supported" most of the time. |
05:18:29 | Luke14789 | btw any1 knows when there's giong to b support for USB transfers on the Sansas ? |
05:18:42 | Mouser_X | No idea, but it's being worked on. |
05:18:50 | Luke14789 | gotcha |
05:18:54 | Luke14789 | tyvm guys |
05:18:56 | Luke14789 | good night |
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05:36:08 | psycho_maniac | is there an easy way to see what was added/removed on a wiki page? |
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05:37:11 | ADREN | HELP |
05:37:47 | ADREN | Help! |
05:37:56 | ADREN | Anyone!!] |
05:38:10 | psycho_maniac | state your problem |
05:38:21 | ADREN | Ok. |
05:38:29 | ADREN | I was installing Rock Box onto my iPod Nano first generation. |
05:38:37 | Mouser_X | ADREN: Unfortunatly, the psychics are gone for the night. |
05:38:51 | Mouser_X | We still have a psycho_maniac here though. |
05:38:53 | psycho_maniac | the enter button is not a space bar |
05:38:53 | ADREN | I forgot to extract the files from the zip, and installed the bootloader. |
05:38:53 | ADREN | Only. |
05:39:20 | ADREN | Then, when I restart my iPod, its just keeps booting up with Rockbox saying that i dont have the .rockbox file installed. |
05:39:35 | ADREN | When I clearly know that, and I don't know how to uninstall it to remove it so I can add the extract file thing. |
05:39:45 | psycho_maniac | well then. extract the zip |
05:39:53 | ADREN | Howz? |
05:39:59 | Mouser_X | Try hooking up to your PC, and then extract the ZIP? |
05:40:05 | Mouser_X | Through USB? |
05:40:12 | psycho_maniac | what player u have? |
05:40:15 | ADREN | Due to the fact Rockbox is loaded, my PC doesn't detect it as a USB plug in. |
05:40:22 | ADREN | It just boots up as Rock Box and my PC ignores it unlike how it used too. |
05:40:26 | ADREN | Its a iPod Nano 1st Generation. |
05:40:36 | psycho_maniac | start it in disk mode |
05:40:49 | Mouser_X | Turn it off, then reboot with it plugged into the USB? I would have thought that'd work... |
05:40:57 | ADREN | how |
05:41:01 | ADREN | did that |
05:41:05 | ADREN | like ten times |
05:41:34 | Mouser_X | ADREN: Enter is not the space bar. Please stop abusing that key. |
05:41:51 | ADREN | When I try pressing Select+play, it doesnt go into disk mode, how do I fix that? |
05:42:08 | Calcipher | shoot, installer detects a version of arm-elf-gcc |
05:42:26 | psycho_maniac | turn it completely off. then put it in disk mode |
05:42:43 | hcs | ADREN: you have to hold those buttons while it is starting up, see here: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93651&SID=PX3f497b7337124842ad9c5a269e7494d6 |
05:42:48 | ADREN | YES |
05:42:48 | ADREN | Yes! |
05:42:51 | ADREN | I love you guys. |
05:43:05 | ADREN | Now how does I put the extracted .zip into the iPod? |
05:43:11 | Calcipher | love at first help |
05:43:42 | psycho_maniac | aparently u didnt read the install instructions because it tells you how to do this |
05:43:51 | ADREN | Wells. |
05:43:52 | ADREN | I was rather confused. |
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05:44:12 | ADREN | I extracted it, but it didn't go into my iPod, and just like, chilled in My Documents. |
05:44:29 | Calcipher | ok, so now I'm stumped |
05:44:36 | Mouser_X | Calcipher: Restarting cygwin, and putting in "export PATH=$PATH:/opt/arm/bin" very first. Then do your stuff, and see if errors show up (It works for me...) |
05:44:49 | hcs | ADREN: so simply move the extracted .rockbox folder to the ipod |
05:44:54 | Mouser_X | *Restart |
05:44:58 | Llorean | Soap: Honestly, a permanent mention isn't a bad idea, and I'm not against it. |
05:45:02 | Calcipher | lets try it again then |
05:45:05 | ADREN | in the C: drive? |
05:45:13 | Mouser_X | No, on your iPod. |
05:45:19 | ADREN | How? |
05:45:23 | Mouser_X | What drive is your iPod? |
05:45:29 | ADREN | Uhh.. |
05:45:41 | psycho_maniac | in the root of ur player |
05:46:03 | ADREN | How do I find that >.>? |
05:46:22 | psycho_maniac | it will show up in "my computer" |
05:46:38 | ADREN | Yeah it's not there :C |
05:46:40 | Mouser_X | Are you in disk mode on your iPod? If you are, and it's connected to your computer, it will show up as an additional hard drive. |
05:46:59 | Mouser_X | You're in Windows XP, right? |
05:47:02 | ADREN | It's in disk mode, connected to my PC, but itunes wont recognize it even though it says it updated already. |
05:47:04 | ADREN | Yeah, I am. |
05:47:15 | Mouser_X | Ah! Kill iTunes! |
05:47:21 | psycho_maniac | what do you have to handle zip files? |
05:47:25 | Mouser_X | Specifically, iTunes is hiding your iPod. |
05:47:38 | ADREN | Wtf. How do I unhide it? |
05:47:50 | Mouser_X | There's a setting in iTunes that causes iTunes to hide your iPod. |
05:48:10 | psycho_maniac | he just said, kill itunes. or maybe change that setting. but killing it is easier. |
05:48:20 | ADREN | Alright well. |
05:48:28 | ADREN | My iTunes doesn't show that my iPod is connected. |
05:48:45 | Mouser_X | Should it, if the iPod is in disk mode? |
05:48:57 | ADREN | I'm not sure. |
05:49:26 | psycho_maniac | did you kill it? |
05:49:27 | hcs | ADREN: if you start up the ipod while the hold switch is on it will boot into the original firmware, then it should behave as normal |
05:49:48 | ADREN | oh arey ou serious? |
05:50:19 | hcs | ADREN: I think so, that works on other ipods, not certain about ipod nano |
05:50:28 | ADREN | I love you. |
05:50:45 | ADREN | I found it! |
05:51:03 | ADREN | Now where does I put the .rockbox folder, just in the seperate harddrive? |
05:51:17 | ADREN | Oh my god itunes just hid it. |
05:51:23 | Mouser_X | Yay @ HCS. Unlike me though, he has/had an iPod, and thus has better info than I. |
05:51:25 | psycho_maniac | in the root of the drive. |
05:51:36 | ADREN | How do I unhide my ipod? |
05:51:50 | Mouser_X | ADREN: Did you see what the drive letter was before it was hidden? |
05:51:58 | ADREN | G I believe. |
05:52:24 | Mouser_X | (Depending on how you extract the ZIP, you might be able to tell it to extract to "G:" and just leave it at that) |
05:52:50 | ADREN | hey its extracting |
05:53:09 | Calcipher | sounds like Itunes is just plain evil hmm |
05:53:19 | ADREN | Ok well. |
05:53:33 | Mouser_X | That's what I've always though/heard (iTunes being evil, of course.) |
05:53:34 | ADREN | It just created a different folder and didn't goto the G: drive. Curse you iTunes! |
05:53:45 | Mouser_X | Dang... |
05:54:05 | Mouser_X | What are you using to extract the ZIP? |
05:54:18 | ADREN | Winrar and Winzip. |
05:54:26 | Mouser_X | Do it from WinRAR. |
05:54:29 | Mouser_X | (I use that one.) |
05:54:39 | ADREN | I've been. |
05:54:46 | Mouser_X | Open the ZIP, and then click the extract button. |
05:55:08 | Mouser_X | A window will come up, and near the top of that window, there's a bar that you can type in to tell it where to extract to. |
05:55:30 | ADREN | tried it |
05:55:31 | Mouser_X | Type "G:\" without the " marks, and see what it does. |
05:55:39 | ADREN | Oh, I did not type the slash. |
05:56:07 | Calcipher | make: *** [voice] error 141 |
05:56:25 | Calcipher | can anyone clarify as to what that means? under cygwin |
05:56:30 | ADREN | ! C:\Documents and Settings\Mylo Reyes\My Documents\rockbox.zip: Write error in the file .rockbox\codecs\adx.codec. Probably the disk is full |
05:56:43 | ADREN | What does that mean? |
05:56:52 | Mouser_X | How full is your iPod? |
05:57:00 | ADREN | um |
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05:57:07 | Mouser_X | Meaning, how much freespace does your iPod have on it? |
05:57:14 | ADREN | Probably 1 Gig+. |
05:57:16 | Calcipher | shoot, I was about ready to get this done, shower n sleep |
05:58:29 | Mouser_X | It sounds to me like either your C: drive is full (if it's extracting to there, for whatever reason) or that WinRAR can't find the G: drive, due to iTunes hiding it. |
05:58:37 | ADREN | I dragged .RockBox into the G:/ |
05:58:49 | ADREN | Is that where i put it? Directly on the ipod or in a folder of the ipod? |
05:58:51 | Mouser_X | Ah, so it showed up (the drive, that is)? |
05:58:55 | hcs | ADREN: yes |
05:58:59 | psycho_maniac | thought you said that you couldnt see G? |
05:59:02 | ADREN | k .rockbox is in my ipod. |
05:59:19 | ADREN | I saw it for 2 seconds and i kept restarting so I kept seeing it for 2 seconds and eventually I had enough time to drag it. |
05:59:40 | ADREN | Wow. |
05:59:42 | ADREN | This is cool! |
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06:00:06 | psycho_maniac | why is it still hiding it? thought you killed itunes? |
06:00:15 | ADREN | I did but it came back to life :C |
06:00:38 | ADREN | Where do I find my musics and how does I put Gameboy games/videos on this thing? |
06:01:00 | psycho_maniac | may i suggest to read the manual |
06:01:16 | Mouser_X | ADREN: You'll need to disable iTune's setting that hides the iPod to put anything on it. |
06:01:17 | ADREN | Theres a manual? |
06:01:29 | ADREN | Aw... |
06:01:39 | Mouser_X | Unless you want to drag+drop everything on your iPod in those 2 seconds... |
06:01:53 | ADREN | Do you guys know where to disable that retarted feature? |
06:02:03 | Mouser_X | I don't have iTunes. |
06:02:11 | Calcipher | generating voice clipserror -2147024894: |
06:02:12 | Mouser_X | So no, I do not. |
06:02:25 | Calcipher | make:*** [voice] error 141 |
06:02:28 | ADREN | I'll just drag in those two seconds. |
06:02:42 | Calcipher | thats the error I recieve when using the make voice command in cygwin |
06:02:55 | hcs | Calcipher: have you gotten the voice files as mentioned here? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceFiles |
06:03:10 | ADREN | Mr. People, how do I find the music i put on my ipod from itunes? |
06:03:13 | Mouser_X | HCS: He wants custom, sexy, voice files. |
06:03:28 | Mouser_X | (Female, it should be noted) |
06:03:33 | Calcipher | after following the instructions that go through using ../tools/configure, then selecting advanced, voice, sapi lame and all other defaults |
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06:04:09 | hcs | Calcipher: ok, sorry, as I said I've never done this (and apparently I wasn't paying attention to your earlier messages either...) |
06:04:43 | Mouser_X | ADREN: iTunes mangles filenames. If you want to access the music that iTunes put on your iPod, you'll almost certainly want to use the Rockbox database. |
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06:04:56 | Mouser_X | As for where they are on your iPod, I have no idea. |
06:05:01 | ADREN | found it |
06:05:18 | ADREN | Last question before I leave so you guys don't get annoyed any further. |
06:05:27 | ADREN | How do I puts movies, and How do I puts my .gb roms on this? |
06:05:30 | Calcipher | hidden folder called contents or something |
06:05:49 | Calcipher | had a ipod, i despised it, and one day finally brutally murdered it |
06:05:56 | Calcipher | was a grand day |
06:05:58 | Mouser_X | ADREN: Read the manual for GB stuff, and read PluginMpegplayer for moveis. |
06:06:26 | Mouser_X | However, you'll most likely want to use the iPod's video support (if you have an iPod Video, of course). |
06:06:29 | ADREN | Wheres the manuals |
06:06:32 | ADREN | I have a nano. |
06:06:58 | Mouser_X | On Rockbox's main, front page (rockbox.org) there's a bunch of links on the left. |
06:07:02 | psycho_maniac | its on the left side of the rockbox page. |
06:07:11 | Mouser_X | One of them says "Manual" click that one. |
06:07:18 | ADREN | Quick question. |
06:07:36 | ADREN | In the rockbox folder it says rocks, then like videos, and games and such, do I just drag them there? |
06:07:55 | psycho_maniac | the manual will answer all your questions. |
06:08:07 | ADREN | Manuals are long. |
06:08:13 | psycho_maniac | so |
06:08:19 | Mouser_X | psycho_maniac speaks wisdom beyond his years. |
06:08:25 | psycho_maniac | we inforce the reading of the manuals here. |
06:08:49 | Mouser_X | ADREN: You could *search* the manual. I think Google can do that. |
06:08:53 | ADREN | Where is the battery level on rockbox |
06:08:57 | ADREN | I cant tell because the graphics all look the same. |
06:09:12 | psycho_maniac | you can search pdfs also. |
06:09:38 | ADREN | oh wait |
06:09:40 | ADREN | are you serious? |
06:09:41 | ADREN | BAI GUYS |
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06:09:44 | * | Mouser_X has never downloaded the PDFs of the manual. |
06:09:49 | psycho_maniac | all these questions are answered in the manual |
06:10:05 | Calcipher | think thats enough rockboxin for me tonight, I might be up a hour or so longer, so if one of the elder gods rolls through with some enlightenment, someone msg me |
06:10:09 | Mouser_X | I read the HTML manual. |
06:10:23 | psycho_maniac | i do once in awhile. i find them easier then the online manual for some eason. |
06:11:28 | psycho_maniac | must of not wanted to read the manual so he left? |
06:12:27 | Mouser_X | No, once I said you could search the manual, he left. |
06:13:15 | psycho_maniac | he kinda left abruptly |
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06:16:38 | Mylo | How do I put gameboy games on my ipod nano |
06:16:58 | Mouser_X | Carefully? |
06:17:08 | psycho_maniac | the answer is in the manual. have you read it? |
06:17:11 | hcs | Mylo: just copy them to the device and select them as you would a music file |
06:17:18 | Mylo | No, it's not in the manual. |
06:17:32 | Mylo | I put it in and it says incompatible file, when a bunch of other people can use it |
06:17:53 | hcs | Mylo: can they use the same file you're using? |
06:18:14 | Mylo | Uhm, yes, theyre using .GB |
06:18:21 | Mylo | All they do is change the .GB to .ROCK, which I did. |
06:18:39 | hcs | that sounds entirely wrong, leave it as .gb |
06:18:46 | Mouser_X | Don't change it to ROCK |
06:18:48 | * | Llorean is quite sure gameboy instructions are in the manual |
06:18:50 | Mylo | oh. |
06:19:12 | Mouser_X | A .ROCK is a Rockbox application. GB ROMs are *not* a Rockbox application. |
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06:32:06 | hcs | Can someone kick the build server? |
06:32:41 | hcs | We seem to have been stuck at 15545, but SVN is up to 15548 (and has been for a few hours) |
06:36:32 | psycho_maniac | i got my svn to update to 15548? |
06:36:54 | hcs | SVN updates fine, but the build-o-matic is behind |
06:37:10 | psycho_maniac | oh ok. i see what you mean. |
06:39:06 | psycho_maniac | Mouser_X: you know youve mentioned that you use the wps pixel for a long time. i usually feel i have to change themes after awile. |
06:39:57 | Mouser_X | I started using some different themes, but I went back to Pixel... |
06:40:54 | hcs | I haven't built GBS in a while, hope it's still in sync |
06:41:11 | hcs | wrong window, sorry |
06:41:28 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
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06:52:31 | WOOTNESS | hey |
06:52:37 | WOOTNESS | cant anyone help me? |
06:53:01 | Mouser_X | No, we can't. |
06:53:03 | WOOTNESS | 1. I cant find any of my itunes bought music |
06:53:15 | Mouser_X | Mostly becuase you haven't told us what's wrong. |
06:53:41 | Mouser_X | Is your iTunes bought music DRMed? As in, copy-protected? |
06:53:48 | WOOTNESS | 2. I found the rock boy part of the site but can someone give me the link to download it? |
06:53:49 | WOOTNESS | yeh |
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06:53:57 | Mouser_X | If yes, then they won't play in Rockbox. |
06:54:03 | WOOTNESS | itunes usually does have protection on that |
06:54:27 | WOOTNESS | is there a way to get back to the mac os without using that start up menu from ipod linux |
06:54:30 | Mouser_X | Rockboy is part of Rockbox. If you installed Rockbox, the Rockboy is already on your iPod. |
06:54:48 | WOOTNESS | well its not under applications or anything |
06:54:52 | WOOTNESS | or games |
06:54:56 | Mouser_X | Of course it's not. |
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06:55:04 | Mouser_X | Read the manual. |
06:55:55 | Mouser_X | You can even search the manual (try "rockboy" and see what you get). |
06:56:36 | Mouser_X | (You might need to use the search features of your PDF viewer. You can try Google as well, on the HTML version of the manual.) |
06:57:01 | psycho_maniac | in pdf press "ctrl+f" just like in a internet browser. |
06:57:39 | WOOTNESS | K i was using the online one |
06:57:57 | WOOTNESS | Ok I will try that, but is there anyway to get back to the normal ipod setting? |
06:58:08 | Mouser_X | It's in the manual. |
06:58:18 | WOOTNESS | ok Ill look through it |
06:58:24 | WOOTNESS | any phrase for that to look for? |
06:58:47 | Mouser_X | Read the first 3 ish pages. It should be in there. |
06:59:03 | WOOTNESS | k thanks man lots of help |
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07:09:24 | psycho_maniac | people dont quite understand the new keymap changes. i think if they owned more then one rockbox player theyd see how nice it is havnt the same buttons do the same thing. |
07:10:49 | Llorean | Also, I think it's a rather safe assumption that many Rockbox owners who only own one WILL get a second one eventually |
07:11:00 | Llorean | But really, it's the "left mouse button" argument |
07:11:26 | Llorean | Even if it's on the right, or the bottom, or is triggered by pressing the whole mouse down, there's one button that is "the left mouse button" and once you know it, you know how to use that button everywhere |
07:11:41 | JdGordon | psycho_maniac: I own 3 and i dont see a benefit to having them all the same layouts |
07:12:56 | krazykit | the complaints that the "new" menu key is harder to hit makes no sense to me. maybe i hold my sansa funny or something |
07:13:06 | Llorean | JdGordon: But you don't see a use for the quick menu, and don't use the stop button, and generally speaking would probably change the keymaps on all the other targets too if it were up to you... |
07:14:10 | JdGordon | the first two fine.. the ive never shown any bad feelings against the keymaps of the other targets |
07:14:25 | Llorean | You never have, but why do you have bad feelings against this one then? |
07:14:51 | Llorean | I thought you didn't like long-press for the context menu? Most other targets could put context menu on a short press somewhere by sacrificing stop as well.. |
07:15:27 | * | JdGordon didnt have a problem with the e200 untill the commit.. and /me also has beter things to do now than aruge |
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07:16:11 | advcomp2019 | i kinda liked the new keymap but i am still getting use to it |
07:16:39 | psycho_maniac | is the online manual up to date with the keymap change? |
07:17:04 | Mouser_X | I would assume so, but I have no idea. |
07:17:21 | advcomp2019 | as far as i have seen the manual is updated |
07:17:40 | Mouser_X | When my Sansa comes, I'll be experiencing the keymap for the first time, so I won't have anything to compare it too. |
07:17:50 | Llorean | I updated the manual |
07:17:58 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Have you used other Rockbox players? |
07:18:33 | psycho_maniac | hopefully i will be getting a new player as well. |
07:19:04 | Llorean | Generally speaking, once you learn what a button does in one screen, you should be able to guess it for most other screens, as per my "left click" point. ;) |
07:19:42 | psycho_maniac | why not make these changes right away? |
07:19:51 | psycho_maniac | keymap changes. |
07:19:58 | Mouser_X | I have a Gigabeat, and yes, I figured that the usages would be the same. |
07:20:47 | Llorean | Well, I found the original keymap particularly frustrating in general. I really don't think Long-Play should be stop unless there's nowhere else suitable to put it, for example. |
07:20:50 | Mouser_X | By "compare it too" I meant that I won't compare it to the old keymap. |
07:21:03 | Llorean | And it was very frustrating to have to move my thumb every time I wanted to get to the context menu. |
07:22:56 | Llorean | To me at least, it just felt like the keymap was very random, and didn't take into account a lot of common use habits. |
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07:23:28 | psycho_maniac | well when i get a gigabeat. it will be strange for me sort of. all the controls on the ipod are in one spot. |
07:24:02 | krazykit | the gigabeat's controls are really pretty intuitive |
07:24:15 | Llorean | All the navigation on the gigabeat is in one spot, all the playback controls (Pause, Stop, Play, volume) except next/prev are on the side. |
07:24:38 | psycho_maniac | but isnt the keymap on the gigabeat like the h1xx ? |
07:24:43 | Llorean | Similar. |
07:24:54 | Llorean | Think of the cross as the stick, and move the side buttons around a little bit. |
07:24:59 | Llorean | Add some extra "Volume-only" buttons |
07:26:03 | psycho_maniac | im looking at the pictures side by side of the keymaps so i get a better idea. |
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07:32:15 | psycho_maniac | according to the manual. up/down changes the volume in wps. so why is there volume only buttons? |
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07:32:43 | Llorean | Because the volume buttons also work in the menus |
07:33:04 | Llorean | A better question is "Why don't up-down do something else in the WPS" but it would probably go too much against expectations. |
07:33:30 | psycho_maniac | oh that seems very nice. ive always wanted to turn down the volume while in a menu sometimes when the next song is too loud. |
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08:03:28 | amiconn | wow |
08:03:36 | * | amiconn got an answer from the gas team |
08:03:45 | amiconn | They checked in my patch :) |
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08:22:58 | mrkiko | Hi all! Some days ago I reported the problem that caused my H340 to not detect key releasing. It is triggerable again on the current rleease. ù |
08:23:32 | mrkiko | I think I will stop using rockbox for a while - it's too crashful for me. The worst thing is that this morning rockbox crashed with the ide disk active ... not good! |
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08:51:15 | mrkiko | I would like to use the SVN boot-loader which doesn't suffer the non-lcd-remote controller bug. Should i thrust myself? I built the bootloader and optained bootloader.bin. I think I should repeat the same tasks as I've done. |
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09:06:31 | barrywardell | did anybody try linuxstb's changes to e200rpatcher? It looks to me like he got the printf's backwards... |
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09:23:52 | barrywardell | it does detect my vanilla e200 properly though |
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09:27:19 | pondlife | Hmm, is the build server hung? |
09:28:08 | GodEater_ | apparently so |
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09:33:21 | GodEater_ | SuperZagor ? |
09:33:29 | GodEater_ | or MexicanWrestlerZagor ? |
09:33:42 | pondlife | Serverman |
09:33:47 | Zagor | hehe. nacho libre! |
09:34:24 | GodEater_ | Free Nachos ? |
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09:34:56 | linuxstb | barrywardell: You're right - those two messages were the same in my first patch, and then I changed them to be different just before committing, and changed the wrong one... |
09:35:42 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Are you going to fix, or shall I? |
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09:36:00 | barrywardell | I was leaving it to you in case I was mistaken |
09:36:07 | linuxstb | OK, I'll do it now. |
09:36:52 | mrkiko | I noted that you can reach the root music files on the mp3 player only with the browser, but not with the "left/right" buttons while listening the music. Why? |
09:36:58 | mrkiko | Can this be corrected? |
09:37:20 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Done, thanks. |
09:37:24 | barrywardell | cool |
09:37:44 | pondlife | mrkiko: I don't understand... you can only browse in the browser.. |
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09:38:21 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Thanks for testing as well - it's good to know it can detect an e200. |
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09:39:17 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I think we also need to make e200rpatcher install the Rockbox bootloader, in the same way as sansapatcher does. Is that something you would be interested in doing, or shall I give it a go? |
09:39:37 | GodEater_ | mrkiko: the left/right buttons only scroll through the current playlist. If that playlist doesn't include songs in the parent folder, then they won't let you select them. |
09:40:05 | mrkiko | ... No: I can't explain myself clearly. |
09:40:09 | mrkiko | So: |
09:40:15 | mrkiko | When I click on "files" |
09:40:22 | mrkiko | i can access the file browser, right? |
09:40:25 | pondlife | Yes |
09:40:40 | mrkiko | Now, I start plying a song. |
09:40:51 | GodEater_ | which puts it into a playlist... |
09:40:59 | mrkiko | Pressing now right i can listen to the next song. |
09:41:03 | linuxstb | ...and takes you to the WPS |
09:41:09 | mrkiko | ok |
09:41:29 | mrkiko | pressing left and then log-pressing it causes the player to skip to the next folder |
09:41:45 | pondlife | Previous folder, should be |
09:41:52 | mrkiko | yes |
09:41:56 | mrkiko | left = previous, right = next |
09:41:59 | pondlife | Yes |
09:42:02 | mrkiko | so this is not effectively a playlist |
09:42:04 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I can do that. although e200rpatcher is still unreliable for me, giving libusb errors a lot |
09:42:10 | mrkiko | I can listen this way all those files I have on the disk |
09:42:12 | mrkiko | right? |
09:42:17 | pondlife | No |
09:42:31 | mrkiko | lìonly mp3 files |
09:42:37 | pondlife | It will only allow to change to next/previous directories alongside the one you started in |
09:42:43 | pondlife | Not go up or down the tree |
09:42:51 | GodEater_ | i.e. not to parent or child directories |
09:42:54 | mrkiko | infact |
09:42:59 | pondlife | To do that, press SELECT and go back to the browser |
09:43:01 | mrkiko | no |
09:43:14 | barrywardell | linuxstb: also, this would all be easier if we just got rid of the sansa bootloader and replaced it with the rockbox one. I wonder if that would work for e200r's |
09:43:25 | mrkiko | conceptually not - if I have a folder with sub-folder this way the player passes to all those sub-folders |
09:43:40 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I thought about that, and yes, it would make sansapatcher simpler, but the user would lose recovery mode... |
09:43:41 | mrkiko | so effectively I can go down |
09:43:53 | mrkiko | And this happens even in the original firmware... |
09:43:59 | pondlife | The OF is irrelevant |
09:44:05 | mrkiko | :) |
09:44:06 | mrkiko | oh |
09:44:08 | mrkiko | I should escape... |
09:44:11 | mrkiko | ohoho... sorry all! |
09:44:25 | barrywardell | linuxstb: yeah, but not once Zagor is done... |
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09:44:50 | GodEater_ | pondlife: I'm confused |
09:45:02 | pondlife | It's a normal state at this time of the day. |
09:45:04 | GodEater_ | was he saying the short, then long click DID go into child directories ? |
09:45:12 | linuxstb | barrywardell: We would still need some way to update the OF image, when the OF itself can't boot for whatever reason... |
09:45:13 | GodEater_ | or was he saying it only did that in the OF ? |
09:45:15 | pondlife | He claimed so, but I don't think it does |
09:45:18 | pondlife | Not sure |
09:45:19 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Or maybe we don't... |
09:45:26 | GodEater_ | ah - so you're confused too :) |
09:45:30 | pondlife | Maybe he was in the OF, but thought it was Rockbox? |
09:45:32 | * | GodEater_ feels reassured |
09:45:42 | pondlife | Not confused - more bemused. |
09:45:53 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I think if we had usb in the rb bootloader, then it would be fairly brickproof |
09:45:58 | pondlife | Can't say I care enough to get all the way to confused. |
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09:47:05 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Yes, it would be able to reliably boot Rockbox, but I'm talking about still allowing users to fix the OF if it breaks. IMO the default Rockbox install shouldn't remove existing OF features if it can be helped. |
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09:48:39 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I don't see why having the Rockbox bootloader (with proper usb) would remove that abilitiy. If anything breaks, get the bl to do the usb connection, then you have the firmware partition available to do with as you like. |
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09:50:09 | n1s | is there a reason we tell people to post whole .lang files in the tracker instead of patches? |
09:50:33 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Yes, but that would require the user to use sansapatcher (from the command-line), which is less convenient than just copying the .mi4 to the device. |
09:50:37 | GodEater_ | n1s : we're particularly stupid ? |
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09:51:11 | n1s | GodEater_: I agree it's stupid |
09:51:52 | petur | because it is the output of rasher's script? |
09:52:18 | barrywardell | linuxstb: true. that is a downfall. running sansapatcher can be achieved with a double click though...but I get your point |
09:52:27 | pondlife | It's not hard to turn a lang into a patch though. |
09:52:46 | linuxstb | barrywardell: You can't double-click to upgrade the OF... |
09:52:57 | n1s | petur: but if they have a development environment they could just svn diff... |
09:53:15 | petur | yes, but the new translations are made by people using rasher's site, they have nothing installed to make a patch themselves I think |
09:53:46 | petur | maybe rasher could generate the diff |
09:54:05 | n1s | petur: but you agree with telling those who can to make a patch? |
09:54:11 | petur | sure |
09:54:28 | * | n1s changes wikipage |
09:54:54 | barrywardell | linuxstb: true. I'll have to rethink the bootloader replacing thing a bit |
09:55:23 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Another problem is usb boot mode itself in the bootloader - we'll probably have to start enabling interrupts... Not impossible, but will need some work. |
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09:56:09 | barrywardell | forgot about interrupts, uugh |
09:56:23 | linuxstb | But that's probably a good thing to do anyway - less #ifdefs... |
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10:20:44 | hunz_ | hey there! |
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10:24:10 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Is there enough room to keep a copy of the OF bootloader in the firmware partition? Dual-boot could then start the OF bootloader, instead of the main OF... |
10:24:59 | barrywardell | yeah, there's loads of spare room |
10:25:31 | barrywardell | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200FirmwarePartition |
10:26:55 | barrywardell | the OF is ~4.5MB, Sansa BL ~ 500KB, RBBL ~50KB. and the firmware partition is 16MB |
10:27:20 | barrywardell | what benefit would starting the OF bootloader give us? |
10:27:26 | linuxstb | Recovery mode... |
10:27:53 | barrywardell | oh yeah...good idea |
10:28:07 | Hunz | is anyone working on the sansa code? |
10:28:23 | barrywardell | so we could do that without even needing usb in the rb bl :) |
10:28:46 | linuxstb | Yes. And it would mean we don't have to worry about patching the e200r bootloader. |
10:29:15 | barrywardell | I'll try to get that working today and see how it goes |
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10:29:55 | Hunz | I just ordered myself an e260 yesterday :) |
10:31:38 | barrywardell | Hunz: most of the rockbox devs hang out here |
10:31:47 | Hunz | ah great |
10:32:14 | Hunz | so I got three points :) |
10:32:35 | Hunz | 1) do you know a devel from augsburg, germany? I've heard that there should be one |
10:33:57 | petur | could that be bluebrother? |
10:34:45 | Hunz | no idea, I was told that some day one of the rockbox devels dropped in at the ccc augsburg |
10:34:46 | barrywardell | http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/gmap.php?onlydevs=yes |
10:34:59 | barrywardell | you could check that map |
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10:36:02 | Hunz | hm ok - couldn't find someone from augsburg on the map |
10:36:07 | Hunz | but well, next point :) |
10:36:32 | Hunz | is the audio quality with the original sansa firmware still superior to rb? |
10:37:03 | barrywardell | linuxstb: one problem - recovery mode doesn't work with my mac :( I'll have to try it on my linux desktop later |
10:37:23 | barrywardell | Hunz: rb should be at least as good a the of |
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10:37:52 | Hunz | barrywardell: ah great! |
10:38:24 | * | barrywardell has to go and wonders if 3 is coming soon |
10:38:39 | Hunz | what about battery runtime? how's it with rb compared to the original? |
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10:40:17 | barrywardell | check this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SandiskE200BatteryMeasurements |
10:40:23 | barrywardell | it's probably worse right now |
10:40:32 | Hunz | ah ok - thanks! |
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11:07:42 | mrkiko | Hi all! I installed the new boot loader - now it works fine! |
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11:23:12 | kingwen | oh? |
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11:26:58 | webguest34 | how i resize movie resolution to be combatible with my sansa device? |
11:27:21 | mrkiko | oOFF-TOPIC |
11:27:42 | webguest34 | help? |
11:27:52 | Crash91 | #rockbox-community please, webguest34 |
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11:28:06 | markun | Crash91: that's not possible with the webinterface, is it? |
11:28:13 | Crash91 | no idea how that is off topic but// |
11:28:17 | Crash91 | i think it is.. |
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11:29:14 | Crash91 | hmm |
11:29:17 | Crash91 | nope lol |
11:30:21 | petur | there's always http://ircatwork.com/ |
11:30:45 | webguest92 | markun: youre right, doesnt work |
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11:30:51 | mrkiko | If the actual boot-loader doesn't find the .rockbox directory, does it boot the original firmware or does it shutdown the player as done by the old one? |
11:32:02 | preglow | jhMikeS: around? |
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11:33:39 | Crash91 | preglow: his bootloader is corrput |
11:33:58 | jhMikeS | preglow: oddly enough, yes |
11:34:05 | Crash91 | wow, |
11:34:11 | Crash91 | am i psychic? |
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11:34:31 | preglow | jhMikeS: how late does voice get mixed? |
11:34:50 | preglow | jhMikeS: is it easier if the voice codec provides its output directly in 16 bit? |
11:34:55 | jhMikeS | pretty late, I think the next buffer chunk to go out or near that |
11:35:23 | jhMikeS | it's easier no matter what |
11:35:39 | SASX | How i can resize my movie resoulution to be combatible with me e200 device? |
11:35:41 | mrkiko | the H300 manual is a little out-of-date regarding the boot-loader argument - I want to contribute. |
11:35:48 | markun | SASX: try here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
11:35:57 | preglow | i did a test build where i removed almost all the tables in speex from iram, it still ran very nicely |
11:36:00 | preglow | even on coldfire |
11:36:05 | preglow | so we should survive with little iram |
11:36:11 | jhMikeS | preglow: though it does get passed through EQ and such, any low-latency stuff would have buffer savings |
11:36:49 | SASX | i know what my device resolution.... but i don't know how to change it on my movie..... |
11:36:50 | preglow | jhMikeS: voice gets passed through eq? then providing directly as 16 bits wouldn't exactly be a bonus |
11:37:16 | jmspeex | preglow: why would the tables be in iram? |
11:37:22 | preglow | jmspeex: to be fast? |
11:37:48 | markun | SASX: there are some tools (vlc, mencoder) explained on that page |
11:37:49 | jhMikeS | not right at the moment, no but if you save some memory why not? shifting it for processing isn't a big deal. |
11:37:58 | preglow | excitation, gain, lsp tables etc in iram does give a nice little boost, but the tables in nb_celp.c and sb_celp.c are far more important, and small too |
11:38:04 | markun | SASX: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Encoding |
11:38:52 | SASX | thanks markun |
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11:39:00 | preglow | jhMikeS: it is already in 16 bit, so that's ok, just wondering if i should start looking for some last spot to conver to 32 bits |
11:39:39 | jmspeex | preglow: I think iram means something else for you than for me. what do you mean exactly? |
11:39:40 | jhMikeS | why do it there if the DSP will? (and again...low latency where raw decoder output must be buffered :) |
11:39:58 | preglow | jmspeex: sram, on-chip ram |
11:40:19 | preglow | jhMikeS: because it will be very slightly faster if i integrate it in an operation that has to be done anyway |
11:40:37 | preglow | such as the final highpass, for example |
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11:41:44 | jhMikeS | I'd rather keep the output buffer requirements lower. we're going with 16kHz? can an #ifdef be used to allow the integrated version to be different? |
11:41:52 | preglow | sure |
11:43:47 | preglow | i've already disabled uwb support in the one for voice codec |
11:44:05 | preglow | it doesn't amount to much more than just excluding one decoder struct and limiting one buffer in size, but |
11:45:22 | jhMikeS | since we're not swapping the 512KB buffer all the time with that I don't think 16kHz 16-bit being converted to 32-bit 44kHz will be any issue at all. |
11:46:19 | preglow | btw, is voice passed through all of dsp? |
11:46:43 | preglow | it sounds kind of weird to crossfeed and dither it, for example... |
11:47:16 | jhMikeS | no, it shouldn't be. |
11:47:20 | jmspeex | dithering for Speex sounds like overkill |
11:47:41 | preglow | jmspeex: yes, especially since our output depth is 16 bits and so is speex output depth |
11:48:00 | markun | preglow: if you are working on mixing audio streams, will you also support beeps? |
11:48:35 | markun | jhMikeS: or are you working on it? |
11:48:36 | jhMikeS | the eq should work on 16-bit samples. is speex interleaved or separate? |
11:48:43 | preglow | jmspeex: the highpass filter is second order? butterworth? |
11:48:45 | jmspeex | it's more about the fact that I can't see any circumstance where the SNR of Speex would be better than about ~50 dB (though 15-25 dB would be more common) |
11:49:02 | preglow | jhMikeS: mono |
11:49:03 | jhMikeS | markun: of course...and hardware one where possible instead of software. |
11:49:09 | preglow | jhMikeS: i won't be including the stereo code |
11:49:13 | jmspeex | preglow: the input high-pass is butterworth, but the output is elliptic |
11:49:53 | preglow | jmspeex: i assume it's only called for the narrowband part of any stream? |
11:50:06 | preglow | yeah, it is |
11:50:13 | markun | jhMikeS: on the Gigabeat it's possible in hardware, are there other players? |
11:50:47 | jmspeex | preglow: right. However, the filter is different depending on whether it's narrowband or wideband |
11:50:48 | jhMikeS | preglow: well, it's a really pathetically small computing task. I suppose I can rearrange things a bit perhaps for special processing for the voice. |
11:50:59 | jhMikeS | ...or lack thereof more accurately |
11:51:15 | preglow | yeah |
11:51:22 | preglow | we agree we don't really need stereo voice files, right? |
11:51:29 | preglow | if you don't, i'll ignore you anyway :) |
11:51:29 | amiconn | preglow: Seen my remark this morning? msac.w fix is now in gas svn |
11:51:35 | jhMikeS | markun: I just know about the piezo with iPods. the archos models do something weird with switching the DAC on and off. |
11:51:36 | preglow | amiconn: excellent!!! |
11:51:50 | preglow | amiconn: did you have to prod them to include it? |
11:52:15 | jhMikeS | heh, so they actually wanted a bug fixed for once. :) |
11:52:17 | markun | jhMikeS: but piezo can also be anoying because it's not through the earphones, right? |
11:52:30 | jhMikeS | markun: guess it isn't |
11:53:16 | jhMikeS | but what sort of beep would be done that's essentially different than a simple waveform generator used now? |
11:53:34 | preglow | i want a chord generator! with filters and lfos! |
11:53:37 | jhMikeS | ...other than a gigabeat using the timer |
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11:54:37 | * | jhMikeS had a crazy idea to make a plugin to play music with the gigabeat beeps...maybe even synced to the playing track. :p |
11:55:24 | preglow | hahah |
11:55:44 | jhMikeS | I guess chords would be like SID chords |
11:56:33 | preglow | broken chord, yeah |
11:56:38 | jhMikeS | wait...if the timer can run fast enough, the lowpass characteristics of the audio chip analog path could allow for D-class type operation. :) |
11:56:45 | markun | Zagor: any more progress with USB? |
11:57:06 | Zagor | markun: no, I haven't had time to work on it for a few days |
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11:57:57 | jhMikeS | oh, I have to try that one for sure and see if I can output PCM on the analog path...probably will sound like crap if it can even do anything |
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11:59:48 | markun | jhMikeS: I tested audio on the gigabeat by toggling the beep pin at random to get white noise |
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12:01:55 | markun | jhMikeS: the pin is connected to the analog line-in of the wolfson btw |
12:03:07 | jhMikeS | on timer3 right. is that time PWM capable too? |
12:03:10 | jhMikeS | *tiemr |
12:03:14 | markun | I think so |
12:03:14 | jhMikeS | *timer :p |
12:03:42 | rasher | petur: my site already does generate a diff |
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12:04:17 | n1s | rasher: great |
12:05:11 | jhMikeS | I suppose a 50% duty cycle would be PCM 0. 0% PCM -32768, 100% PCM 32767...or maybe just use 8-bit |
12:05:57 | n1s | tasks like FS #8119 annoy me because I need to diff the file myself and in this case I couldn't see what he "fixed" among all the lines reverting the lang file to and older version |
12:09:30 | jhMikeS | amiconn: did you mention the other bug too causing the yellow in the build table? |
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12:11:00 | jhMikeS | n1s: how bout asking the author to use a diff? I thought diffs were the required format. |
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12:11:45 | n1s | jhMikeS: actually we told people to post the whole .lang file for language updates for some reason... changed that now |
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12:12:58 | n1s | but yeah, I added a patch request to that task |
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12:19:00 | pixelma | I always wondered and think it's a pity why the "voice" part isn't filled out in the swedish.lang - there are tts engines with swedish voices... |
12:19:15 | pixelma | *svenska.lang :) |
12:19:30 | linuxstb | What happens if the voice part is blank? Is there no voice, or does it use the other entry? |
12:21:28 | pixelma | I wasn't accurate, it's filled out but only with the english strings |
12:22:04 | linuxstb | That seems pointless... |
12:23:20 | preglow | jhMikeS: this was a binutils bug |
12:23:41 | n1s | pixelma: there are? link? |
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12:24:33 | mrkiko | ... |
12:25:32 | mrkiko | ... If the actual boot-loader doesn't find the .rockbox directory, does it boot the original firmware or does it shutdown the player as done by the old one? |
12:26:06 | mrkiko | I already made this question but I actually can't read even read the web-log from here |
12:26:33 | jhMikeS | preglow: wait...you said the wrong opcode was generated so that would be gas. aren't they the same folks? |
12:26:47 | pixelma | n1s: those I know of are not free but... it was loquendo for one and another one called acapela (have to look again if you can wait for a few mins) |
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12:28:40 | webguest72 | hi! just one short questio... is usb on e200 now working? |
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12:33:12 | pixelma | n1s: http://actor.loquendo.com/actordemo/default.asp?page=id&language=en and http://www.acapela-group.com/demos/samplesHD.asp |
12:36:12 | linuxstb | mrkiko: Which device are you talking about? |
12:36:16 | preglow | jhMikeS: possibly many of the same folks, but they don't share a bugtracker, and are indeed two separate packages |
12:36:34 | mrkiko | linuxstb: H340 |
12:36:39 | mrkiko | linuxstb: iRiver H340 |
12:38:33 | linuxstb | mrkiko: Looking at the source code to the bootloader, it looks like it will attempt to start the OF. |
12:38:54 | mrkiko | Even for me... |
12:39:09 | mrkiko | linuxstb: but I don't thrust myself so much :) |
12:39:27 | mrkiko | linuxstb: the old oneshut down my system... |
12:39:40 | mrkiko | linuxstb: and to start OF I was constricted pressing REC |
12:40:02 | linuxstb | mrkiko: What's your actual problem? |
12:41:10 | mrkiko | linuxstb: I was wondering to stop using rockbox for a while and switch back to the OF keeping the rockbox boot-loader installed. With the old boot-loader when .rockbox was absent the player started and shut down immediately. |
12:42:55 | linuxstb | Can't you just try it? You should still be able to either enter bootloader USB mode, or start the OF by pressing REC and get USB mode there. |
12:43:12 | pixelma | n1s: but even if there wasn't, why not provide the voice strings in swedish, so that it is possible to build a svenska.voice in case someone has a capable tts engine we currently don't know of? |
12:45:29 | preglow | jmspeex: any reason highpass() isn't implemented with filter_mem16() ? |
12:45:58 | jmspeex | preglow: I don't remember exactly, but there is. |
12:46:19 | preglow | i see there's a difference in multiply sizes in there, but i don't see where that comes from |
12:46:24 | jmspeex | preglow: there's at least the fact that the first coef isn't 1 (as is implicit in filter_mem16) and the order isn't 8 or 10. |
12:46:25 | preglow | comments :) |
12:46:41 | preglow | ahh, yeah, order isn't 8 or 10 is valid enough |
12:46:48 | mrkiko | Now I updated the boot-loader and with .rockbox present I get in rockbox. Removing it, can I now boot the OF? |
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12:47:21 | mrkiko | linuxstb: no, now I don't have the usb cable again :) |
12:47:32 | mrkiko | linuxstb: aniway, no problems. Ill try tonight. |
12:47:55 | jmspeex | preglow: BTW, I'll be removing the −−disable-wideband option because it's now handled by the static linker automatically. With the reduced mess, I'd be willing to consider merging a solution that would allow enabling only the encoder or the decoder. |
12:48:09 | jmspeex | though hopefully, it would be simpler than what you have atm. |
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12:49:31 | preglow | jmspeex: well, it should involve splitting encoder/decoder in different files |
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12:49:48 | preglow | jmspeex: at least the top level stuff, the low-level stuff can still be in the same files |
12:49:50 | brobostigon | hi |
12:50:02 | jmspeex | preglow: what do you call the low/high level stuff? |
12:50:25 | preglow | jmspeex: stuff like nb_encode i'd call high level |
12:50:28 | preglow | filter_mem16 low |
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12:51:03 | preglow | i really don't know how to solve that nicely, it all boils down to pleasing the linker, i imagine |
12:51:19 | jmspeex | preglow: the annoying thing is that the mode descriptions link to both encoder and decoder :-( |
12:51:29 | preglow | jmspeex: but yeah, i'm all for anything not involving an #ifdef mess |
12:51:37 | preglow | jmspeex: ahh, yeah, that part probably has to have som ifdefs |
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12:52:35 | brobostigon | i cant find the instructions on upgrading rockbox on my ipod nano,how do i do it, or where are th intructions please?? |
12:52:47 | jmspeex | preglow: you should see what I did to speex_lib_get_mode() ! |
12:53:26 | preglow | jmspeex: btw, bufSize is still a member of SpeexSBMode, and is kind of orphaned now |
12:53:35 | jmspeex | preglow: the other option would be to define a "speex_nb_mode_encoder" that has nulls for the decoder stuff |
12:53:50 | linuxstb | brobostigon: You can just use Rockbox Utility - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt |
12:53:54 | jmspeex | preglow: you sure? I thought I'd removed it |
12:54:08 | preglow | jmspeex: nope, you removed it from the state struct, but not the mode struct |
12:54:19 | jmspeex | ah, sorry |
12:54:34 | brobostigon | thanks |
12:54:35 | jmspeex | I also removed the 4.8 kbps non-standard mode (haven't committed yet) |
12:54:44 | preglow | jmspeex: excellent |
12:54:53 | preglow | not much point in having it if it's just rotting away anyway |
12:55:38 | jmspeex | preglow: actually, I can't remove it because it's the same struct definition as the nb mode (which needs it) |
12:55:52 | preglow | ahh, right |
12:56:37 | preglow | jmspeex: hmm, sure? NBMode goes straight to pitch after lpcSize, SBMode has bufSize after lpcSize |
12:56:50 | jmspeex | let me check |
12:57:04 | jmspeex | you're right |
12:57:28 | preglow | grep bufSize gives me only three occurences, one related to the struct def, and two relating to struct instances |
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13:00:19 | n1s | pixelma: thanks, I agree it's better to add the proper voice strings but I guess it seemed kin of pointless it there was no tts engine available, I might look into it if I get bored enogh :) |
13:01:38 | jmspeex | preglow: what changes do you have in your tree compared to mine? Is it just the asm and the encoder removal? |
13:02:44 | preglow | jmspeex: pretty much |
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13:07:55 | Crash91 | is there any way to get rockbox to listen to airband on my sansa? |
13:08:03 | brobostigon | it decommresed to ~/rbutilqt/rbutilqt, how do i use it, i am running linux on a mac?? |
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13:16:59 | * | LinusN doesn't know what "airband" is |
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13:21:37 | Crash91 | airband is the frequency which pilots of planes use to communicate with the ATC |
13:21:44 | Crash91 | (air traffic controller) |
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13:22:24 | Crash91 | LinusN: wikipedia can be useful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airband |
13:24:33 | jhMikeS | Crash91: you can hit up to about 120Mhz on the sansa tuner |
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13:25:36 | LinusN | however, what modulation is used? |
13:25:57 | LinusN | looks like most of the voice communication is using AM |
13:26:08 | preglow | jmspeex: are you sure the stereo decoding calculations don't involve redundancies? |
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13:26:30 | jmspeex | preglow: what do you mean by that? |
13:26:39 | preglow | jmspeex: afai, if the 0.01 factor is just for divide by zero prevention, the entire e_left expression ends up as this: e_sum = sqrt(e_tot/e_ratio*balance/(1+balance)/e_tot) |
13:26:57 | preglow | and that simplifies to sqrt(balance/((1+balance)*e_ratio)) |
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13:27:43 | jhMikeS | I just asked someone and it's FM |
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13:28:06 | preglow | jmspeex: bah, e_left =, not e_sum = |
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13:30:44 | jmspeex | preglow: it's quite possible. Stereo support was a quick evening hack just before 1.0 |
13:31:03 | preglow | jmspeex: well, if what i say is true, it'll simplify decoding a lot. i'll try it out now |
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13:31:39 | jmspeex | preglow: exactly, see if you get the same result. If so, then it must be OK. |
13:32:01 | jmspeex | the 0.01 is definitely just to prevent divide by zero |
13:32:18 | preglow | jmspeex: yeah, it's nothing compared to e_tot |
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13:36:19 | preglow | in which case this looks bright, i'll plug it in now |
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13:44:17 | mrkiko | Hey! Is a known problem that rockbox will not update correctly free clusters when writing on disk? |
13:45:02 | mrkiko | I can reproduce the problem simply by: turning on the player, recording some voice to an mp3 file and then turning it back off. When I fsck it, fsck.vfat says "wrong free clusters count". |
13:45:13 | mrkiko | and so on... |
13:45:33 | LinusN | badness |
13:46:46 | mrkiko | Why "badness"? |
13:46:54 | LinusN | iirc, it is not required to keep that field up-to-date |
13:47:28 | preglow | jmspeex: yup, checked it out, the entire e_sum/e_tot deal isn't needed at all |
13:47:49 | preglow | jmspeex: at least that makes the fixed point equivalent almost trivial |
13:48:15 | mrkiko | LinusN: ok |
13:48:31 | LinusN | windows doesn't update it either |
13:48:41 | LinusN | (on removeable devices) |
13:49:01 | mrkiko | LinusN: ehm... :) |
13:49:40 | jmspeex | preglow: can you send a patch when you're done −− including the simplification for the float case. |
13:49:47 | LinusN | not an excuse really, but it takes a while to scan the disk to update the free count before recording |
13:50:34 | mrkiko | LinusN: how should I proceed to diagnose & fix problems for a specific rockbox port? Do you need to use gdb on the SIM for that target? |
13:50:58 | LinusN | mrkiko: that depends on the target and the problem |
13:51:28 | mrkiko | target=h300, problem=fs#8003 among others |
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13:51:40 | mrkiko | I'm interested basically on avoiding crashes... |
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13:51:49 | mrkiko | and in my opinion I'm having too much of them ... |
13:52:38 | preglow | jmspeex: sure, the two methods aren't equivalent, though, so far i've got a maximum error between the two e_left/e_right calc methods as 0.001899, but i assume that's just floating point roundoff thanks to e_sum and e_tot being involved in the first case |
13:52:47 | LinusN | mrkiko: can you reproduce #8003 in the sim? |
13:52:57 | jmspeex | preglow: it's especially embarrassing considering that e_tot was computed just for that calculation. |
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13:53:18 | preglow | jmspeex: well, if it's a one-evening deal, you can rest assure i forgive you :) |
13:53:25 | mrkiko | For now I can't get the SIM to produce any sound; and actually (as documented in the svn changelog) talk.c doesn't work on SIM as expected. |
13:53:34 | mrkiko | LinusN: in pratice, the SIM doesn't talk. |
13:53:47 | LinusN | mrkiko: so is it related to talk? |
13:53:59 | LinusN | my sim talks btw |
13:54:23 | mrkiko | LinusN: I don't know. Aniway, when talking is not enabled I can't trigger fs@8003 reliably. |
13:54:26 | jmspeex | preglow: maximum error of 0.001899 on the final gain? That would be -60 dB, which is quite acceptable. |
13:54:27 | LinusN | but this kind of crashes tend to be target specific, so the sim probably won't help |
13:55:14 | LinusN | mrkiko: so in this case you would probably have to depend on logf() |
13:56:25 | mrkiko | LinusN: what does logf? I'm blind... so I can't read the display... |
13:56:30 | preglow | jmspeex: ouch, i got a huge spike there, will have to find out what causes that |
13:57:17 | preglow | error of sqrt(2), that's far more than should be possible |
13:57:34 | LinusN | mrkiko: logf() keeps a log of debug output |
13:57:58 | mrkiko | ... the log is written to the player's disk, right? |
13:58:00 | jmspeex | preglow: what do you mean? |
13:58:39 | LinusN | mrkiko: yes, if you save it, but in this case it will crash, so you won't be able to save the log |
13:58:56 | mrkiko | LinusN: so you should enable mhm... |
13:59:25 | LinusN | mrkiko: so you have to use the remote to display the logf output, which might be a tad difficult since you are blind :-( |
13:59:37 | preglow | jmspeex: the calculated error between the two methods maxed out at 1.4242 for a track here, that's clearly not right |
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14:00:01 | preglow | but it's acceptable for over a minute and a half of panning, so i think it's a bug |
14:00:01 | mrkiko | and I don't have a remote lcd |
14:00:19 | LinusN | mrkiko: even worse... |
14:01:12 | jmspeex | preglow: it's possible it was just caused by silence (e_tot=0) |
14:01:21 | jmspeex | if that's the case, then we don't care |
14:01:27 | mrkiko | LinusN: ooophm... |
14:01:59 | preglow | jmspeex: good point, i'll see now |
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14:02:47 | mrkiko | LinusN: I built the SIM but audio desn't work. My audio setup is correct and I have all the needed SDL libs, it seems... |
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14:04:03 | LinusN | mrkiko: i am pretty sure that the crashes only happen on the target anyway |
14:05:14 | mrkiko | LinusN: I'm also. |
14:05:27 | mrkiko | LinusN: and don't have another mp3 player to try... |
14:05:54 | LinusN | how easy is it to trigger? |
14:06:19 | mrkiko | LinusN: enough... |
14:06:34 | mrkiko | LinusN: the problems I found are mainly 2... |
14:06:38 | preglow | jmspeex: you were right |
14:06:42 | mrkiko | LinusN: the first is fs#8003 |
14:06:51 | preglow | jmspeex: which actually means the new values are more correct anyway |
14:07:11 | jmspeex | yes |
14:07:25 | jmspeex | did you remove the e_tot computation? |
14:07:47 | preglow | yes |
14:08:17 | preglow | float e_left = 1./sqrt((balance + 1)*e_ratio); |
14:08:17 | preglow | float e_right = sqrt(balance)*e_left; |
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14:08:20 | preglow | that's all that remains |
14:08:34 | mrkiko | You can trigger it simply enabling "talk" and scrolling quickly trought the main menu interrupting the voice verty often. My iRiver can keep up for two seconds or so... |
14:09:03 | preglow | jmspeex: and if i can't convert that to fixed point, i should just stop using computers :) |
14:09:44 | amiconn | LinusN: Afaik the rockbox fat driver *does* update the free cluster count |
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14:09:52 | preglow | it does indeed |
14:10:00 | preglow | which is more than windows itself does |
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14:11:07 | jmspeex | preglow: isn't it float e_left = sqrt(balance)/sqrt((balance + 1)*e_ratio); |
14:11:11 | jmspeex | ? |
14:11:59 | preglow | no, i believe not, but this would explain why speex swaps channels here... |
14:12:51 | preglow | jmspeex: the code i pasted is what i use in stereo decode now, and that produces identical e_left and e_right coefs as before my modifications |
14:13:32 | jmspeex | how do you go from "e_left = e_sum*balance / (1+balance);" to "e_left = 1./sqrt((balance + 1)*e_ratio);" ? |
14:13:41 | preglow | wait a sec... |
14:13:54 | preglow | no, you're completely right, i messed up when renaming vars |
14:14:19 | preglow | swap occurences of e_left and e_right and you're good to go |
14:14:42 | preglow | which means i still have to find the reason speex swaps channels here, heh |
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14:16:36 | LinusN | amiconn: hmm, meybe it does, but it can still be wrong, since the initial value is not guaranteed to be correct |
14:18:03 | markun | LinusN: could it be calculated during a dircache scan? |
14:18:05 | preglow | i remember i bloody paniced when i first flashed my h120 and the bootloader started calculating free clusters at 11mhz :D |
14:18:15 | LinusN | markun: guess so |
14:18:26 | amiconn | markun: Dircache doesn't walk the fat, it walks the directory tree |
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14:18:30 | LinusN | preglow: those were the days |
14:18:46 | preglow | LinusN: yeah, no real danger of bricking anymore :/ |
14:19:09 | preglow | i thought my beloved h120 had turned into a red led strobe |
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14:21:12 | preglow | jmspeex: spx_sqrt effectively returns a Q8 number for a Q16 number, yes? |
14:21:28 | preglow | for a Q16 argument, that is |
14:21:56 | aliask_ | Zagor: which registers did you want read out, i can do it tomorrow when I wake up |
14:22:14 | linuxstb | aliask_: Hi. Have you got as far as testing the Gigabeat S ATA driver, and attempting to mount the main partition? GIven that it's MTP-only, do we know it's even FAT? |
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14:22:55 | aliask_ | linuxstb: The ATA driver works. There are two FAT32 partitions |
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14:23:53 | linuxstb | Do you know what happens to audio files transferred via MTP? i.e. can we find them on one of the FAT partitions? |
14:24:41 | aliask_ | Hard to say, whenever you update firmware it erases the music partition |
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14:24:48 | aliask_ | *formats |
14:25:15 | linuxstb | Helpful... |
14:25:32 | preglow | ahahahah |
14:25:35 | linuxstb | The more I find out about the S, the less I like it... |
14:25:44 | aliask_ | Did your S arrive? |
14:26:00 | markun | linuxstb: there were some experiments with the Gigabeat S hdd inside a hdd case (actually a ipod video) |
14:26:01 | linuxstb | Yes, I finally got my hands on mine the other day, and noticed the OF never spins down the disk whilst the UI is active... Only when music is playing. |
14:26:35 | linuxstb | But it looks very nice hardware, so am keen to get Rockbox on it... |
14:26:54 | aliask_ | Yes, the hardware is everything I could possibly want of a DAP |
14:28:01 | preglow | linuxstb: you've got to have a pretty nice tower of daps by now |
14:28:01 | aliask_ | Zagor: If you could leave a message for me in the logs (gigabeat or rockbox) I can read those registers for you. |
14:28:10 | linuxstb | Especially the button with the Windows icon - every DAP needs that ;) |
14:28:20 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, it's getting silly... |
14:28:25 | aliask_ | That was what initially attracted me |
14:28:44 | Zagor | aliask_: you want the register addresses? |
14:28:51 | aliask_ | Yes please |
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14:29:59 | jpt9 | hey guys. |
14:30:00 | jpt9 | so... |
14:30:07 | jpt9 | if I'm thinking the right way... |
14:30:13 | jpt9 | if i want to add the ".no_index" feature... |
14:30:59 | jpt9 | all I have to do is have check_dir try to open ".no_index". if it opens it, it should just close it and skip everything else (well, everything involving reading the directory); otherwise, just have it do everything it does now. |
14:32:53 | jpt9 | do you think this will work? |
14:33:00 | Zagor | aliask_: 0x43F88000, 0x43F88120 and 0x43F88124. all are 32-bit words. |
14:33:36 | aliask_ | Cool. I'll read them out in 12 hours or so once I get some sleep. G'night |
14:33:47 | Zagor | nice. good night. |
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14:36:42 | preglow | jmspeex: ok, got it working ok in fixed point |
14:36:44 | linuxstb | jpt9: Sounds reasonable, but I don't know the database code. |
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14:37:30 | preglow | can anyone tell me where the sim gets its battery readings? rand() ? |
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14:41:10 | petur | can't be, it just counts down |
14:41:57 | linuxstb | It seems to be in firmware/powermgmt.c |
14:46:35 | jmspeex | preglow: correct (spx_sqrt) |
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14:49:11 | preglow | jmspeex: would you care to take a look at a patch to see if my fixed point use is ok? |
14:49:55 | jmspeex | preglow: going to sleep soon, but I'll have a look tomorrow. Please post to the list as others may be interested |
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14:50:23 | preglow | sure |
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14:57:26 | preglow | jmspeex: should i port the speex_decode_stereo routine to do the fixed point stuff too? |
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14:57:42 | preglow | i don't know when you'd ever want to output floats on a fixed point platform, but i guess it is possible |
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15:14:58 | jmspeex | preglow: yes please |
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15:16:17 | jmspeex | preglow: what do you currently do with that function and other similar functions like speex_decode()? |
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15:19:20 | pondlife | Zagor: Build server sick? |
15:20:46 | pondlife | It seems even Mexican Wrestling cant fix it... |
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15:45:00 | preglow | jmspeex: #if 0 them away if they're big enough to warrant it |
15:45:10 | LinusN | pondlife: buildserver fixed |
15:45:37 | pondlife | Great |
15:45:46 | pondlife | What was it? |
15:46:07 | amiconn | There was a problem? |
15:46:39 | LinusN | the svn repo was locked for some reason |
15:46:43 | preglow | sushi time |
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15:59:17 | pondlife | Hmm, was the lockup caused by JdGordon's blank commit message, or is that a result of a common cause? |
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16:03:53 | LinusN | pondlife: it was a networking problem last night |
16:04:03 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
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16:18:09 | Nico_P | linuxstb: what don't you like about the S? |
16:18:47 | linuxstb | The software |
16:19:13 | Nico_P | hehe that I agree with. at least it doesn't look as bad as the F's OF |
16:19:33 | * | GodEater_ never saw the F's original firmware |
16:19:45 | * | Nico_P didn't see much but still hated it |
16:19:51 | linuxstb | I _think_ I saw it once, but can't remember it at all. |
16:20:18 | Nico_P | I also heard enough to know I don't want to see it more |
16:20:29 | Nico_P | linuxstb: have you tried running code? |
16:20:58 | linuxstb | Not yet, no. |
16:21:35 | linuxstb | It seems none of us new S owners have... |
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16:21:50 | * | Nico_P only has linux |
16:22:12 | Nico_P | linuxstb: we need something like tctool :p |
16:22:38 | SeSsi0n | nico linux on you ipod? |
16:22:55 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: for that we'd need a usb boot mode |
16:22:56 | Nico_P | SeSsi0n: no, on my computer... I dont have an ipod |
16:23:06 | SeSsi0n | oh |
16:23:07 | GodEater_ | and we know of no such thing on the gigabeat's hardware |
16:23:30 | Nico_P | GodEater_: yeah I know. pity though |
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16:23:47 | GodEater_ | so what we need is a linux version of the firmware update |
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16:23:51 | Nico_P | linuxstb: have you downloaded the imx31 bsp? |
16:24:11 | Nico_P | has someone tried the firmware updater in wine? |
16:24:11 | linuxstb | No, I haven't looked at anything related to the S yet. |
16:25:47 | SeSsi0n | you have got to be kidding me\ |
16:26:04 | SeSsi0n | The CRIA threatened the company renting the servers to us, and because of this it is not possible to keep the site online. Sorry for the inconvenience and thanks for your understanding. |
16:27:10 | linuxstb | ? |
16:27:17 | GodEater_ | relevant to rockbox how ? |
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16:27:49 | SeSsi0n | well its very relevant its where i got all my rockbox plugins and stuff |
16:28:00 | SeSsi0n | demonoid.com |
16:28:31 | GodEater_ | and why would you get them there and not from rockbox.org ? |
16:28:43 | scorche|w | SeSsi0n: bittorent trackers are VERY off topic here |
16:29:13 | SeSsi0n | there was just a whole discussion on linux |
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16:29:19 | SeSsi0n | i make one comment and im off topic? |
16:29:28 | scorche|w | yes |
16:29:31 | SeSsi0n | Ohhhh |
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16:29:40 | SeSsi0n | ok taht make sense |
16:29:42 | Nico_P | SeSsi0n: it wasn't a whole discussion |
16:30:16 | Nico_P | and the mentions of linux were related to the gigabeat S |
16:30:24 | SeSsi0n | ok ok |
16:30:37 | markun | SeSsi0n: which rockbox plugins were you talking about? |
16:30:45 | SeSsi0n | anything you want |
16:30:45 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: have you had a look at the USB dump toffe did yet ? |
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16:31:03 | SeSsi0n | it where i learned of rockbox |
16:31:14 | Nico_P | GodEater_: looking at it right now... but I know just about nothing about USB :/ |
16:31:23 | GodEater_ | ah - me too ;) |
16:31:39 | GodEater_ | toffe's dump is quite good I think though |
16:31:46 | GodEater_ | as it was done with MS's MTP kit |
16:32:00 | GodEater_ | and so it breaks down the messages a bit better than just dumping raw dumping |
16:32:03 | scorche|w | SeSsi0n: huh?...there arent that many rockbox plugins and all that are complete and are done properly are included... |
16:32:11 | Nico_P | but toffe did mention the firmware appeared to be sent through mtp though... so we might be able to use libtmtp |
16:32:24 | GodEater_ | yay |
16:32:34 | Nico_P | I'm just speculating though |
16:33:02 | GodEater_ | I suspect you're right though |
16:33:16 | SeSsi0n | scorche i seen differents theme's different games people made and uploaded |
16:33:22 | Nico_P | maybe the libmtp guys could be of help |
16:33:41 | markun | SeSsi0n: would be nice to include the games with rockbox. Do you have a link? |
16:33:47 | SeSsi0n | if you didnt know about them its because you couldnt it is members only |
16:33:51 | SeSsi0n | not any more |
16:34:18 | markun | SeSsi0n: btw, it's no problem to talk about off topic stuff, but it should be done in #rockbox-community (see topic) |
16:34:28 | Nico_P | SeSsi0n: somehow I doubt much rockbox development could take place on a bittorrent tracker |
16:35:01 | SeSsi0n | yeah i see it |
16:35:05 | scorche|w | and as the .rocks go out of date relatively quickly, i think that is very unlikely to find many |
16:35:34 | markun | SeSsi0n: which player do you have? |
16:36:12 | amiconn | If someone publishes rockbox plugins without publishing source, this is a gpl violation |
16:36:24 | SeSsi0n | no i deleted it last night |
16:36:38 | SeSsi0n | what |
16:36:40 | GodEater_ | amiconn: demonoid.com is rife with license violations |
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16:36:54 | scorche|w | i highly doubt there were plugins on there though |
16:37:06 | GodEater_ | I don't |
16:37:13 | SeSsi0n | haha |
16:37:16 | GodEater_ | I just doubt they'd work with every versino of rockbox |
16:37:26 | amiconn | demonoid is just a tracker afaiu |
16:37:43 | SeSsi0n | a great site... |
16:37:44 | GodEater_ | amiconn: yes, and therefore tracks lots of content, including pirated software |
16:38:07 | GodEater_ | so it wouldn't surprise me if there were GPL violating content too |
16:38:13 | SeSsi0n | hey this isnt about rockbox |
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16:38:36 | GodEater_ | it is if we discover someone's breaking out license |
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16:38:38 | * | linuxstb kicks everyone |
16:38:45 | GodEater_ | s/out/our |
16:39:04 | GodEater_ | that's very violent of you linuxstb |
16:39:12 | SeSsi0n | well there is alot more of them |
16:39:13 | * | scorche|w slaps GodEater |
16:39:59 | Nico_P | linuxstb: are you able to understand something of toffe's usb log? |
16:40:00 | SeSsi0n | and isnt rockbox a violation of apple license anyway? |
16:40:08 | scorche|w | no.. |
16:40:15 | SeSsi0n | oh so apple says its ok? |
16:40:21 | Nico_P | it doesn't have to |
16:40:22 | scorche|w | why do they have to? |
16:40:24 | GodEater_ | apple don't have an opinion |
16:40:39 | scorche|w | it is just a piece of hardware... |
16:40:48 | SeSsi0n | so if my ipod needs serviced there gonna honor the warrenty with rockbox on it? |
16:40:57 | Nico_P | SeSsi0n: Apple actually doesn't seem to like it, as they encrypted their latest players |
16:40:59 | GodEater_ | that's not what you asked... |
16:41:12 | scorche|w | license != warranty |
16:41:15 | Nico_P | SeSsi0n: but that doesn't make it forbidden |
16:41:47 | SeSsi0n | they can encrypt all they want someone somewhere will get passed it |
16:42:12 | scorche|w | not necessarily |
16:42:13 | SeSsi0n | same with psp, cds, dvds |
16:42:15 | Nico_P | the nano 2G's encryption still hasn't been broken... |
16:42:20 | SeSsi0n | it will |
16:42:24 | GodEater_ | nor has the Xbox360s |
16:42:32 | scorche|w | how will it if no one is working on it? |
16:42:40 | SeSsi0n | someone is |
16:42:56 | scorche|w | how do you know that? |
16:43:21 | SeSsi0n | come on billions of people with a nack for just wanting to do the impossible someone is trying |
16:43:41 | Nico_P | there is http://home.gna.org/linux4nano/ but they haven't found much yet AFAIK |
16:44:07 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I haven't looked at the log yet. Do you have a link? (I'll look tonight...) |
16:44:11 | scorche|w | Nico_P: didnt they stop though? |
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16:44:15 | Nico_P | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/GigabeatSInfo?rev=1;filename=WpdMon_update_gigabeat_S.txt |
16:44:19 | Nico_P | scorche|w: maybe |
16:44:38 | scorche|w | SeSsi0n: just because there are billions of people, that doesnt mean someone is working on it |
16:44:50 | SeSsi0n | oh |
16:44:52 | SeSsi0n | ok |
16:45:50 | SeSsi0n | i gaurentee someone will |
16:46:21 | scorche|w | there are TONS of old devices that have never been cracked |
16:46:55 | SeSsi0n | like? |
16:47:03 | linuxstb | The Creative players |
16:47:17 | SeSsi0n | they suck anyway |
16:47:24 | SeSsi0n | no one cares about those |
16:47:34 | scorche|w | a lot of people still do |
16:47:48 | scorche|w | you seem to be making sweeping generalizations....please stop |
16:47:49 | GodEater_ | it's one of the largest threads in the New Ports forum in fact |
16:47:57 | linuxstb | The 2nd Gen Nano is getting to be quite an old deive now too... |
16:48:04 | linuxstb | ^device |
16:48:10 | GodEater_ | well - they don't make it anymore |
16:48:12 | GodEater_ | I'd call that old |
16:49:15 | SeSsi0n | do they make rockbox for the touch? |
16:49:26 | linuxstb | Who? |
16:49:33 | SeSsi0n | rockbox |
16:49:45 | scorche|w | SeSsi0n: all players supported are on the front page |
16:50:04 | SeSsi0n | i havent looked i was just wondering |
16:50:05 | scorche|w | it takes a long time to make a new port...much more time than the touch has been out |
16:50:31 | SeSsi0n | i dont see the point im not going to buy one untill there is atleast 60 gigs on one |
16:50:33 | GodEater_ | where "long time" is possibly equal to "forever" |
16:52:00 | karashata | I wouldn't put any bets on there being a 60 GB version of the touch for a very long time, unless Apple decides to use hard drives in later touch models |
16:52:17 | GodEater_ | or SSD's come WAAAAY down in price |
16:52:18 | karashata | or the price of flash memory drops *a lot* |
16:52:21 | karashata | or that |
16:52:23 | GodEater_ | hehe - jinx |
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16:52:54 | karashata | even then, last I'd heard SSDs only went up to 32GB still |
16:52:55 | Administrator___ | Hi all |
16:53:19 | GodEater_ | what an interesting nick... |
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16:53:24 | SeSsi0n | ive banged mine around so much im suprised it still works |
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16:53:41 | SeSsi0n | hah i acctually lost it for a day orderd another and found it the next day |
16:53:42 | SeSsi0n | hah |
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16:53:53 | przemhb | barrywardell: new breaktrough facts about H10 radio - interested? |
16:56:00 | SeSsi0n | so is general ipod questions allowed here or just about rockbox? |
16:56:39 | GodEater_ | mainly rockbox, though you can ask other stuff in -community |
16:57:45 | SeSsi0n | ok |
16:58:23 | SeSsi0n | its the same people basically |
16:58:31 | SeSsi0n | lol |
16:59:05 | karashata | -community is the channel for non-rockbox related chat |
16:59:18 | karashata | which this has pretty much turned into, really |
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16:59:51 | linuxstb | SeSsi0n: The difference is that #rockbox is logged, so we don't want to clutter the logs with off-topic chat. |
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17:00:03 | SeSsi0n | i just figured that out |
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17:02:19 | przemhb | barrywardell: I'll be back here later this evening |
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17:05:11 | newbzor | hey, this may not be in rockbox's jurisdiction, but is the sansa e200's processor 100 mhz? |
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17:06:27 | GodEater_ | newbzor: I think we run it at 80Mhz |
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17:07:47 | newbzor | okay, so its the same as the ipod nano speedwise? |
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17:08:26 | linuxstb | Yes |
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17:09:15 | barrywardell | aagh, missed przembh. I wanna hear those breakthroughs :/ |
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17:15:12 | Lynx_ | i have an ot question: i have a recording of a comedy show, taken from the audience. so all applause and laugher are really lound, and in between the comedian is not very loud (if understandable). can i improve this somehow? |
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17:16:00 | newbzor | download the comedian's act? |
17:16:04 | scorche|w | Lynx_: yes, that is an off-topic question, but this is an on-topic channel... |
17:16:06 | micols | just download a wave editor |
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17:17:06 | Lynx_ | scorche|w: sorry, you're right |
17:17:17 | Lynx_ | forgot about the other chan |
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18:18:07 | preglow | ehm, weird question, this, but is struct1 = struct2; allowed to just copy a struct member by member? |
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18:22:53 | linuxstb | preglow: You're asking if any internal padding will be guaranteed to be copied? |
18:25:41 | preglow | linuxstb: i'm just wondered if that's legal syntax and does what i'll expect |
18:26:05 | preglow | linuxstb: no ordinary struct handling in c assumes you know about padding, so i assume this doesn't either |
18:26:23 | preglow | linuxstb: for some reason, i've never done struct1 = struct2; before... |
18:26:39 | linuxstb | afaik, assignment is perfectly valid for structs - it will copy the struct. |
18:27:10 | preglow | excellent |
18:28:23 | * | linuxstb reads K&R and confirms assignment of structs is perfectly valid, but comparison is not. |
18:28:48 | * | preglow has no c books :/ |
18:29:15 | preglow | no, comparing structs would just be weird... |
18:31:56 | markun | preglow: I believe that gcc translates it to a memcpy |
18:32:24 | preglow | markun: which is no concern of mine, i just don't want to do so by hand :) |
18:32:44 | preglow | it does either a member by member copy, an inlined memcpy or a memcpy call, depending on size |
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18:32:53 | markun | preglow: it you do it in a plugin or codec you might need to do #define memcpy rb->memcpy |
18:34:20 | preglow | markun: it didn't complain, so i'm ok |
18:34:31 | linuxstb | markun: Do you understand mmu-arm.c ? |
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18:34:37 | hunz | hi there |
18:35:04 | markun | preglow: I want to write a simple .amb (ambisonics) codec btw. Maybe you can help me out a little when it's working a bit. |
18:35:22 | markun | linuxstb: I should. Let me take a look. What's the problem? |
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18:35:39 | preglow | the sim seems to reverse channels... |
18:35:45 | preglow | markun: sure |
18:36:14 | markun | preglow: so that was your speex stereo reversal problem? |
18:36:30 | linuxstb | markun: No specific problem, but I'm wondering how generic it is. I see it's now used for the M:Robe as well as the Gigabeat F, so am assuming it should also work on my Telechips (arm946e-s) |
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18:37:01 | markun | linuxstb: it was writte with the ARM 920t docs |
18:37:17 | preglow | markun: well, i guess so, the wavs that test_codec writes are fun |
18:39:50 | preglow | i pretty much know this ian anderson interview by heart now... |
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18:41:22 | linuxstb | markun: So the arm920t is similar to both the arm9tdmi (in the F) and arm926ej-s (in the m:robe)... So is it also similar to the arm946e-s ? |
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18:45:31 | preglow | merbanan: oy, any hints on how far aac is from being usable? |
18:45:55 | markun | linuxstb: I hope so, but you would have to compare the docs |
18:46:06 | merbanan | preglow: 1 dev is looking at it right now |
18:46:11 | markun | or just assume it's correct until it doesn't work :) |
18:46:37 | markun | preglow: from #ffmpeg-devel: 16:37 <@andoma> i'll have a look at the aac-decoder tonite |
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18:49:27 | SeSsi0n | im back |
18:49:34 | SeSsi0n | ok i found i a theme i wanna put on |
18:49:39 | SeSsi0n | but im not quite sure how to do so |
18:49:51 | SeSsi0n | do i just unzip the whole folder onto my ipod? |
18:50:06 | linuxstb | Yes, assuming the theme has been created correctly. |
18:50:16 | SeSsi0n | i got it from the site |
18:50:17 | SeSsi0n | hah |
18:50:41 | SeSsi0n | and |
18:50:48 | SeSsi0n | do i do the same for install rock doom? |
18:50:51 | linuxstb | And make sure the the matches the build you're running - a fair number of themes require third-party versions of rockbox |
18:51:07 | SeSsi0n | how do i check that? |
18:51:21 | preglow | merbanan: nice |
18:51:33 | preglow | merbanan: noticed you've been touching it a fair deal too |
18:51:46 | linuxstb | SeSsi0n: The place you downloaded the theme should state what build it needs (or if it needs any patches) |
18:52:06 | merbanan | preglow: well someone needs to clean up after the SoC students :) |
18:52:29 | preglow | :) |
18:53:00 | preglow | i'm just tired of faad hanging around, it's big, slow and we can't use any recent changes |
18:53:09 | SeSsi0n | it says |
18:53:33 | SeSsi0n | should work on any build with AlbumArt and Bitmap Resize patches. |
18:53:56 | scorche|w | that isnt a svn build then |
18:54:33 | SeSsi0n | so where do i get these patches/ |
18:54:42 | scorche|w | from the tracker |
18:54:53 | SeSsi0n | Ahhhhhhh |
18:55:09 | PaulPosition | Sessi0n - You'll need to go into the 'unsupported build' section of forums and find one such build OR build your own (need a devel. environment, information is in the wiki) |
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18:56:12 | SeSsi0n | oook... |
18:56:27 | SeSsi0n | lemme look |
18:56:51 | merbanan | preglow: why can't you use any recent changes ? |
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18:58:06 | SeSsi0n | paul there are so many i dunno witch one i need |
18:58:08 | SeSsi0n | the newestone? |
18:58:48 | preglow | merbanan: their license isn't gpl compatible anymore |
18:59:07 | merbanan | preglow: it is |
18:59:23 | preglow | merbanan: absolutely certain? they still have that weird "you must credit us someplace visible" clause in all the headers |
18:59:39 | merbanan | preglow: I'll bet my hat |
18:59:51 | preglow | merbanan: is it a nice hat? |
18:59:54 | SeSsi0n | i got a ERROR |
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19:00:01 | * | linuxstb needs a new hat |
19:00:20 | scorche|w | SeSsi0n: you were told which one you need... "any build with AlbumArt and Bitmap Resize patches." |
19:00:30 | merbanan | preglow: I don't have one :), anyway someone in the mplayer team prodded them enough to revise the license |
19:00:42 | scorche|w | unsupported builds are just as the name implies...unsupported, which means we do not support them here |
19:00:53 | preglow | merbanan: long ago? last time i checked, which is two/three weeks ago or so, it was still like that in svn |
19:01:10 | merbanan | one week ago max |
19:01:19 | preglow | merbanan: is that so, i'll check it out asap |
19:01:46 | SeSsi0n | ok |
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19:02:43 | preglow | merbanan: now, that's what i call an improvement |
19:02:52 | preglow | it was changed november 1th |
19:02:53 | preglow | 1st... |
19:03:04 | amiconn | whatwhere? |
19:03:35 | preglow | amiconn: faad2 has stopped using the retarded license |
19:03:41 | amiconn | ah |
19:03:47 | preglow | i think this calls for a \o/ |
19:03:54 | amiconn | Nah |
19:04:07 | preglow | amiconn: sure it does, faad might actually be usable if we strip it down |
19:04:09 | * | amiconn still doesn't get the first 'a' in 'aac' |
19:04:39 | preglow | what, you don't think it's advanced? |
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19:04:54 | saratoga | i think its a reference to them finally getting the block sizes right |
19:05:08 | amiconn | Judging by how it sounds, it wouldn't call it advanced |
19:05:32 | preglow | it sounds pretty ok |
19:05:33 | saratoga | since aac was originally just mp3 without the subbands and with sensible block sizes, thus it was advanced over previous mpeg codecs |
19:05:46 | preglow | not as much better than mp3 than i would have hoped |
19:05:50 | preglow | and not at all much better than vorbis |
19:05:53 | preglow | but decent enough |
19:06:00 | preglow | and with all the profiles, it _is_ advanced |
19:06:22 | saratoga | in fact most of the profiles are so advanced they've never been implemented |
19:06:26 | preglow | indeed |
19:06:49 | amiconn | It might depend on the encoder, but the one aac album I have (128kbps) sounds worse than what I would get at 128kbps with lame |
19:06:54 | preglow | anything apart from lc seems to just be dead |
19:06:59 | preglow | amiconn: what encoder? |
19:07:06 | saratoga | lame is about even with aac at 128k |
19:07:07 | preglow | amiconn: i think the free nero encoder is the way to go these days |
19:07:08 | amiconn | itunes, I guess |
19:07:13 | saratoga | its just a really, really good encoder |
19:07:35 | merbanan | preglow: he is popular also |
19:08:02 | amiconn | I just kept it so that I have something to test the aac codec. It's not really listenable |
19:08:15 | saratoga | sure its not FAAC? |
19:08:18 | preglow | amiconn: then it wasn't encoded well, good aac 128kbps sounds completely decent |
19:09:29 | preglow | anyone know which encoders do proper gapless these days? |
19:09:30 | preglow | aac |
19:09:50 | amiconn | Artefacts everywhere |
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19:10:14 | preglow | like i said, bad encoder |
19:10:22 | preglow | aac doesn't sound like that at 128kbps |
19:10:37 | linuxstb | preglow: Planning on syncing libfaad to 2.6.1? |
19:10:53 | preglow | linuxstb: definitely, but not today |
19:11:16 | saratoga | i think FAAC, Nero and iTunes do gapless, but probably not all the same way |
19:11:35 | preglow | faac is to be avoided, afaik |
19:11:50 | preglow | linuxstb: i'd love to make our aac support better |
19:11:56 | amiconn | preglow: Well, saratoga said it would be on par with lame at 128kbps, and I dare to question that. That said, lame at 128kbps doesn't sound decent with certain styles of music |
19:12:02 | saratoga | yes it doesn't actually have a psymodel last i heard |
19:12:20 | saratoga | so it basically just creates an AAC compliant bitstream, but not really listenible output |
19:12:23 | amiconn | Is there a tool to find the encoder of an aac track? |
19:12:32 | amiconn | For mp3 such tools exist |
19:12:37 | preglow | amiconn: i just recommend you do a couple of test encodes yourself if you're really interested in finding out, i'm planning to myself |
19:13:03 | preglow | saratoga: well, i guess that's also a way to do encoding... |
19:13:31 | saratoga | mrquestionman probably can |
19:13:37 | amiconn | Well, I dunno. I really don't need another lossy format. mp3 is the way to go for me, even if it requires a bit more space that equal quality in vorbis |
19:13:57 | amiconn | ..and the advantage is that I can use it on all my targets |
19:14:23 | preglow | amiconn: if you use lame, i hardly think you're missing much. at some bitrates, it does better than vorbis |
19:15:09 | amiconn | I would be more interested to get ape -c3000 working on coldfire than in aac at all... |
19:15:15 | preglow | lame has the advantage of being tuned really, really well |
19:15:21 | preglow | ape doesn't interest me at all |
19:15:36 | preglow | aac has the benefit of being interesting |
19:15:55 | amiconn | flac is nice because it's efficient to decode, but ape achieves better compression... |
19:16:25 | preglow | it's lossless, i really don't care much about compression so long as it's ok |
19:16:29 | preglow | i never carry lossless stuff on a dap |
19:16:57 | * | amiconn would prefer to carry all his stuff as lossless, but can only do so on one single target |
19:17:13 | preglow | i would never have enough space for that |
19:17:20 | preglow | how large 2.5" disks can one get today? |
19:17:34 | linuxstb | PATA have stopped at 160GB I think |
19:17:36 | amiconn | 250GB, but that's SATA |
19:17:52 | preglow | then that's not enough for my cd/vinyl collection |
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19:18:59 | preglow | anyway, a well-implemented codec is all good |
19:19:02 | saratoga | if you want to avoid transform codecs, theres always that lossy flac encoder from HA |
19:19:09 | preglow | our aac support is crap right now |
19:19:13 | preglow | or at least it feels that way :) |
19:19:27 | saratoga | just clips the quant noise off the bottom of each flac file so its not lossless, but its also not doing any transform encoding |
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19:19:45 | saratoga | that compresses WAY better then any lossless codec ever could |
19:19:59 | preglow | saratoga: sounds like lossy flac, almost |
19:20:00 | amiconn | Well, aac is usable. ape isn't usable at all on PP yet... |
19:20:00 | preglow | ehh |
19:20:01 | preglow | lossy wavpack |
19:20:10 | preglow | amiconn: just barely |
19:20:24 | preglow | that entropy decoder kills pp |
19:20:35 | amiconn | yes |
19:20:47 | preglow | ape just isn't made for embedded use |
19:20:53 | amiconn | ffmpeg has a very different range decoder, which might be more efficient |
19:21:00 | preglow | it's overkill and so inelegant it's not even fDunny |
19:21:07 | preglow | it's a quick and dirty design |
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19:25:18 | amiconn | The encoder used for the mentioned album was itunes 4.8 |
19:26:25 | preglow | what itunes are we currently at? the current encoder is supposed to be completely decent |
19:26:48 | amiconn | I have no idea... |
19:27:01 | preglow | jmspeex: -45 dB difference between old floating point stereo decoder and my current fixed point one, is that good enough? |
19:27:30 | amiconn | That reminds me... |
19:28:29 | * | amiconn should really implement the scaled log and exp needed for dB<->linear conversion... |
19:28:42 | linuxstb | I think 6 or 7 is the current itunes |
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19:41:02 | preglow | jmspeex: hmm, and that's the peak level, the rest is probably around -55db |
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19:46:21 | alienbiker99 | the newest i tunes is 7.5 i dont know if the encoder follows that though |
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19:55:38 | preglow | amiconn: listening to 93kbps vbr aac right now, and it sounds completely decent |
19:56:02 | Buschel | amiconn: I tried to en/-disable the DEV_EN-bit for IDE0 in addition the switching HDD power off. Works fine on ipod video, but does not have any effect on power consumption −− at least not on overall runtime... |
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19:56:20 | preglow | amiconn: that's even with sbr.... |
19:57:49 | preglow | doesn't seem like foobar is very nice with parametric stereo |
19:59:27 | Buschel | and one silly question: if the PP5022/5024 are designed to run at 100MHz −− why don't we use it as CPUFREQ_MAX? Were there same negative testing results? At least my 5.5G runs at up to 104MHz −− at 108MHz it's instable. |
19:59:34 | preglow | no, it just seems that the encoder does a crap job |
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19:59:50 | preglow | Buschel: power consumption? |
19:59:56 | preglow | battery time sucks enough as it is |
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20:00:27 | amiconn | meh |
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20:00:56 | Buschel | preglow: hmm, the max-cpu frequency is only used if needed. |
20:01:16 | amiconn | Buschel: The PP5022 is designed to run at up to 100MHz - but bot the video and the nano use PP5021 |
20:01:32 | Buschel | amiconn: strange, my video says 5022C |
20:01:34 | amiconn | It reports itself as PP5022 |
20:01:45 | amiconn | But the label on the chip says 5021 |
20:02:02 | Buschel | amiconn: strange... neverhteless it works with 100MHz :) |
20:02:20 | amiconn | There is no product brief for the 5021, and my suspicion is that the 5021 is a 5022 which doesn't reach the full 5022 specs |
20:02:43 | amiconn | Yours does, but it's not guaranteed to work on all G5s |
20:02:48 | Buschel | so, if I've got a good one there should be no problems. |
20:02:49 | * | Domonoky thinks if we have enough cpu power its better to stay safe with the cpu frequency.. |
20:02:49 | amiconn | And |
20:03:00 | amiconn | hence we play safe and stick with the 5020 limit |
20:03:13 | Buschel | amiconn: ok, good reasons then. |
20:03:28 | amiconn | Even Sandisk seems to run the 5022/5024 at 80MHz max |
20:03:33 | BigBambi | We ought to have an option for it! /joke |
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20:07:16 | pixelma | Buschel: if you read w1lliam's (or so) statements again - he says he has 2 Ipod Videos and which are different in the maximum stable clock |
20:07:58 | Buschel | amiconn: did you by accident find a way to switch off the 5G's LCD while you were searching the OF? |
20:08:18 | amiconn | No |
20:08:30 | Buschel | pixelma: I thought one of w1lliam's device was a ipod color? |
20:08:42 | Buschel | amiconn: a pitty |
20:08:46 | amiconn | And imho it doesn't make sense to switch the display off on ethe Video and Nano |
20:09:20 | amiconn | Well, other that for proper shutdown |
20:09:28 | Buschel | amiconn: for my usecase it makes sense. I mostly use it at night when trying to find sleep |
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20:09:56 | Buschel | amiconn: could save some mA's |
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20:11:23 | Buschel | amiconn: and there would be the possibility to increase runtime for blind users as well... |
20:12:02 | pixelma | Buschel: no, he said "a 30GB and a 60GB 5g", he could run the 30GB at 105 Hz but the 60GB wouldn't even boot at that frequency... |
20:12:05 | bertrik | the AS3514 part of the PP5024 allows slight undervolting, this may help a little too |
20:12:58 | Buschel | pixelma: then I got it wrong :/ nevertheless I am lucky guy then, mine is fine :o) |
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20:13:56 | amiconn | Buschel: Well, maybe a little bit... |
20:13:59 | pixelma | MHz of course :P |
20:14:29 | amiconn | *The* big advantage of a transflective LCD is that it's readable without backlight provided there is enough ambient light |
20:15:15 | preglow | 54kbps aac + sbr, sounds completely decent... |
20:15:18 | amiconn | It's the reason why I hate colour LCDs on mobile devices, with very few exceptions which use transflective colour LCDs |
20:15:25 | preglow | i guess this says more about my ears than anything else, heh |
20:15:43 | Buschel | amiconn: as we're searching for each mA... I have in mind some patch for sansa which saved 4mA when switching off the LCD. |
20:15:56 | amiconn | 4mA just for the LCD?? |
20:16:32 | Buschel | so the FS-comment said |
20:16:57 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe colour TFT needs a bit more. Greyscale LCDs need *significantly* less than 1mA |
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20:17:25 | amiconn | The backlight is a big power sucker. The LCD needs next to nothing |
20:18:50 | amiconn | I'd rather like to find out why the PP502x sucks more power in rockbox than in the OF... |
20:19:12 | Buschel | thaT's the most interesting question |
20:19:49 | PaulPosition | So it's not definitive that its 'improperly shutdown devices' and it may be something else alltogether? |
20:20:14 | Buschel | you saw before that disabling IDE0 via DEV_EN doesn't change the runtime? |
20:20:27 | bertrik | just a crazy idea, but would it be possible to install some kind of hook into the OF so we can spy on the OF settings? |
20:20:58 | Buschel | gotta go eat something... |
20:22:38 | amiconn | barrywardell might be able to shed some light on this, as he got a jtag connection working on his H10 |
20:22:51 | * | amiconn has no experience with jtag |
20:23:02 | preglow | amiconn: the sansa dev boards might be a good chance to get some experience... |
20:23:09 | amiconn | I don't know what it allows to do, e.g. if it allows to single step |
20:23:20 | preglow | it should allow single stepping, afaik |
20:23:33 | preglow | i've used jtag once, long ago, and i'm pretty sure it allowed that |
20:23:43 | amiconn | Would be interesting to put an ampmeter into the battery wire, then single step through the OF boot process... |
20:24:00 | scorche|w | Buschel: a while back, i tested with every DEV_EN bit that didnt break shut off....didnt make a difference |
20:24:02 | bertrik | as far as I know, jtag allows you to insert instructions directly in the processor |
20:24:07 | amiconn | Not single step every instruction though, that might take ages |
20:24:08 | bertrik | at least for ARM |
20:24:09 | preglow | amiconn: however, i've got a feeling such functionaly is implemented by each chip producer, and is not part of the spec |
20:24:46 | bertrik | this way you can execute instructions to read a certain memory location for example |
20:25:40 | amiconn | There are some register ranges we don't know anything about |
20:25:52 | amiconn | E.g. what is 0x700080xx ?? |
20:30:57 | amiconn | Or 0x7000a000, or 0x60009000? |
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20:31:08 | theclaw | hi |
20:32:22 | theclaw | when uninstalling rockbox on my sandisk sansa using sansapatcher, and deleting the .rockbox directory, it's completely deleted? |
20:32:57 | theclaw | so that it's not even possible (without analyzing the dump of the flash) to say that it has been installed? |
20:33:09 | theclaw | s/has been/had been/ |
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20:33:42 | bertrik | theclaw: I think so, but can't really say for sure because I haven't uninstalled it yet |
20:33:51 | theclaw | hm okay |
20:35:51 | bertrik | oh actually I did (just to experiment). I used recovery mode to put back an original .mi4 file, but that's possibly not the best way to uninstall |
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20:39:15 | Soultwister | whats the easiest wat to install rockbox |
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20:39:47 | Soultwister | do they have a installer |
20:40:00 | bertrik | manual says how |
20:40:21 | Soultwister | i have a 80 gig ipod classic |
20:40:33 | Soultwister | i didnt see a manual for that |
20:41:32 | linuxstb | Soultwister: Please read the top of this page - http://www.rockbox.org |
20:42:07 | Soultwister | bummer |
20:42:25 | Soultwister | how about linux |
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20:42:43 | linuxstb | No, if linux ran on it, Rockbox would as well... |
20:42:56 | Soultwister | oh well |
20:43:17 | Soultwister | sol |
20:43:38 | Soultwister | are they working on it |
20:45:06 | linuxstb | no |
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20:47:34 | theclaw | have there been any efforts to port SDL to rockbox? |
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20:48:53 | linuxstb | No, but Rockbox has been ported to SDL... |
20:50:03 | theclaw | hmk |
20:51:00 | Shagnar | haha |
20:52:10 | amiconn | mrf |
20:52:47 | * | amiconn is still thinking about a way to integrate G5/Nano backlight circuit handling into backlight.c without ending up in either ifdef hell or macro hell :( |
20:55:02 | amiconn | Would be way easier with sw pwm out of the way ... |
20:55:45 | preglow | indeed, but you can't remove that :> |
20:55:56 | amiconn | I could... |
20:56:27 | preglow | sure, but there'll be nagging if you commit |
20:56:31 | preglow | also from me |
20:56:33 | preglow | i love fading |
20:56:41 | preglow | only thing wrong with it is that i want shorter intervals |
20:56:52 | amiconn | The OF seems to fade using the dimmer |
20:57:05 | preglow | myeah, but few targets are capable of it |
20:57:08 | preglow | and i'm sure of does |
20:57:46 | preglow | ah, you mean remove sw pwm fading from dimmer targets only |
20:57:57 | preglow | well, that's different, but i'd want to see how it looks for anything but very short intervals first |
20:57:59 | amiconn | I didn't mean removing sw pwm altogether, just for G5 and Nano |
20:58:32 | preglow | diming intervals like 10s won't look very good |
20:58:38 | preglow | not that i think any sane person would use that |
20:59:06 | amiconn | The fade in the OF doesn't look smooth, and it's not configurable |
20:59:10 | preglow | btw, do you know how to change the backlight code to allow for even shorter fading intervals? currently 500ms seems to be the minimum |
20:59:28 | amiconn | It would have to leave out steps |
20:59:50 | amiconn | Currently the fading is in percent, and one pwm period is 5ms |
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21:00:32 | amiconn | So fading from 100 to 0 or vice versa takes 500ms when incrementing/decrementing the percentage once every pwm cycle |
21:01:37 | preglow | right |
21:01:46 | preglow | would probably look good |
21:02:00 | preglow | i really just want to add 250ms as an option, and remove some of the more extreme fades |
21:02:03 | amiconn | The problem is that I need 2 pairs of functions if I want to retain sw pwm on G5/Nano: one pair for switching just the light (that's called from within the isr), and another pair for switching the backlight circuit |
21:02:21 | amiconn | And then I need a way to integrate this without breaking all other targets |
21:03:07 | amiconn | I could #define the second pair as empty functions for the other targets, but that would look nasty |
21:03:26 | amiconn | I also thought about wrapping the calls into macros |
21:04:05 | amiconn | But there's already backlight_on(), _backlight_on() and __backlight_on(), and the same set for _off |
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21:04:28 | bertrik | ugh |
21:04:29 | amiconn | Adding BACKLIGHT_ON() into the mix sure won't help making this clearer... |
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21:05:13 | amiconn | backlight_on() is the public interface fn, which just posts a message to the backlight thread |
21:06:28 | amiconn | _backlight_on() is a wrapper that either calls __backlight_on() or kicks fading, and additionally calls lcd_enable() on colour targets where we switch off the lcd when the light is off |
21:06:49 | amiconn | Finally, __backlight_on() is the actual switching function, hardware specific |
21:07:34 | amiconn | On targets without sw pwm fading, its timing isn't critical, but on targets with sw pwm, it is called in isr context |
21:07:40 | bertrik | I'm no expert yet, but I think it would be a good idea to come up with a simple API and several implementations in separate files for each target |
21:07:55 | preglow | hahaha |
21:08:00 | preglow | this sounds convoluted, yes |
21:08:30 | preglow | amiconn: to be perfectly honest, i wouldn't care much if fading was restricted to what retailos can do |
21:08:35 | preglow | amiconn: but i don't know what other people think |
21:08:52 | preglow | amiconn: i wouldn't even care if the option was removed |
21:08:56 | amiconn | It is surely doable, but take a look at backlight.c .... |
21:09:54 | amiconn | We either need to live with that ifdef mess, or split apart larger parts into target tree, at the cost of quite some code duplication |
21:09:54 | bertrik | OMG, 12 % of lines is #ifdef or #endif :P (105/843) |
21:10:14 | amiconn | (even multiplication) |
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21:16:21 | przemhb | Hi all |
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21:17:01 | przemhb | where to look for read-modify-write AND OR macros for PP5020 targets? |
21:17:14 | amiconn | There are none |
21:17:23 | amiconn | ARM cannot do this |
21:17:58 | preglow | arm can do masked writes, that's all |
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21:18:27 | przemhb | thank you |
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21:27:42 | amiconn | hrrmmmm |
21:28:18 | amiconn | I see that gigabeat fading uses the brightness setting of a chip. Does it offer configurable fade speed in rockbox? |
21:28:40 | preglow | markun: would you know? |
21:28:44 | markun | amiconn: no, the speed is the same, so the duration depends on the brightness |
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21:30:23 | markun | preglow: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/ambisonics.patch |
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21:30:34 | amiconn | A bit nasty especially for fade-in, I'd think |
21:30:57 | markun | I think flickering is nasty |
21:31:10 | amiconn | Flickering why/how? |
21:31:42 | preglow | markun: .amb is ordinary wav? |
21:31:52 | markun | amiconn: if you are at a very low level you will see the steps |
21:32:03 | markun | maybe flickering is not the right word |
21:32:34 | preglow | markun: you can't decode ambisonics to two speakers and expect it to work |
21:32:44 | amiconn | Yeah, that's why I want to keep sw pwm on G5/Nano even when adjusting brightness in hardware |
21:32:50 | markun | preglow: yes, except that the speaker mask isn't set and some special guid is set |
21:33:01 | amiconn | But that doesn't have to do with fade speed |
21:33:07 | markun | preglow: I didn't expect surround. It was just a first test to decode the file. |
21:33:25 | amiconn | It looks like a fade-in would be too slow on gigabeat to be usable |
21:33:26 | markun | amiconn: maybe we are talking about something else then |
21:33:34 | amiconn | (at higher brightness levels) |
21:33:45 | preglow | markun: also, that decoding equation assumes a uniform setup of order*2 + 2 speakers |
21:33:58 | preglow | markun: i think what you're doing there will give a cool stereo effect, though |
21:34:16 | markun | amiconn: yes, that's a drawback |
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21:34:36 | markun | preglow: doesn't sound very special |
21:34:51 | amiconn | markun: So why not use variable timer intervals, or skip steps for higher fading speed? |
21:35:17 | markun | amiconn: we could do that for high brightness levels |
21:35:27 | preglow | markun: but how exactly are you planning to decode the signal and play it back? |
21:35:36 | markun | so far I didn't hear any complaints and I'm not bothered by it as well |
21:35:42 | amiconn | hmm |
21:35:58 | markun | preglow: I was hoping you would pick up your HRTF project again :) |
21:36:00 | amiconn | I just wondered because of the many ifdefs in backlight.c I tried to follow |
21:36:22 | preglow | markun: haha, pretty slim chances of that happening any time soon |
21:36:33 | markun | amiconn: if you have to change the gigabeat backlight fading a bit to make the code less complex I'm all for it |
21:36:43 | preglow | markun: btw, the Ambisonics article on wikipedia has some info you might use for stereo decoding |
21:36:49 | preglow | markun: under "Relationship to coincident stereo techniques" |
21:37:13 | preglow | markun: in the way that you can resynthesize a stereo microphone response from ambisonics components, i don't know how it'll sound, though |
21:37:28 | markun | preglow: "L = (X + Y) / 2 and R = (X − Y)/2)" sounds simple enough |
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21:38:37 | preglow | markun: so, .amb files are always furse-malham encoded? |
21:38:57 | markun | "The Furse-Malham set of weighting factors is part of the ".amb" specification" |
21:39:27 | preglow | okies |
21:40:01 | preglow | so .amb can't take more than third order recordings |
21:40:10 | preglow | oh well, it's uncompressed anyway... |
21:40:13 | markun | also here http://www.ambisonia.com/Members/mleese/file-format-for-b-format/ |
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21:41:21 | markun | preglow: I'll download some more test tracks. Getting tired of helicopters :) |
21:41:51 | preglow | :) |
21:42:37 | barrywardell | przemhb: hi |
21:43:06 | przemhb | barrywardell: Hi |
21:43:07 | przemhb | barrywardell: does rockbox try to communicate with radio chips on targets having radios? |
21:43:24 | dandin1 | It depends on the target, I beleive |
21:43:30 | barrywardell | exactly |
21:43:39 | dandin1 | You can check the features table. |
21:43:40 | przemhb | what about H10? |
21:43:47 | barrywardell | the patch I posted in the tracker makes it try to communicate |
21:44:00 | przemhb | during startup, yes? |
21:44:39 | przemhb | well... then I must have some error in the code |
21:44:40 | amiconn | linuxstb: Looking at backlight-4g_color.c, it seems like G4 can do backlight brightness... |
21:44:50 | barrywardell | not during startup, I don't think |
21:44:51 | Llorean | przemhb: "Try" doesn't mean "Succeed" |
21:45:10 | amiconn | meh |
21:45:15 | * | amiconn gives up for today |
21:45:23 | Llorean | I thought the H10 still hadn't worked with Radio? |
21:45:34 | preglow | amiconn: g4 can, afaik |
21:45:43 | przemhb | I've got some new fm tuner i2c code but my H10 fails to boot... |
21:45:49 | preglow | i think linuxstb was the one that told me it does so even now |
21:46:03 | amiconn | preglow: Not in rockbox yet |
21:46:12 | przemhb | I've investigated fm tuner on H10 today once again |
21:46:12 | linuxstb | It does - when it's turned off, it fades gently, rather than switching off immediately. |
21:46:25 | markun | preglow: btw, the idea was to also decode the rear two channels and apply a HRTF |
21:46:28 | amiconn | also, backlight_on and backlight_off look rather asymmetric - probably a chance to save some power... |
21:46:46 | amiconn | linuxstb: I mean true variable brightness, not just fading |
21:46:49 | preglow | markun: yeah, i figured. that won't be cheap... |
21:46:51 | przemhb | and I've found out that H10 communicates with radio chip using... |
21:46:58 | przemhb | software i2c |
21:47:09 | linuxstb | amiconn: I know. I'm just explaining what happens at the moment. |
21:47:16 | przemhb | look here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortPinAssignments#H10_GPIO |
21:47:33 | markun | przemhb: although there is a hardware i2c controller? |
21:47:35 | amiconn | linuxstb: So why don't we do it? |
21:47:42 | przemhb | yes, that is right |
21:47:49 | barrywardell | przemhb: have you seen http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8046? |
21:48:21 | linuxstb | amiconn: I mean I know that's what you were saying. I've never looked at the backlight code after the initial copy/paste from IPL. |
21:48:29 | amiconn | 0x7000a010 seems to be some pp built-in pwm controller... |
21:48:40 | barrywardell | przemby: ah, I see you added to the portpinassignments page.that explains why my patch doesn't work! |
21:48:41 | przemhb | barrywardell: yes, i've got your patch and I have modified it |
21:49:14 | preglow | barrywardell: oy, what functionality do you currently get out of jtag? |
21:49:36 | barrywardell | I'm able to read memory addresses |
21:49:50 | barrywardell | eg, I downloaded the content of the flash from 0x0 |
21:50:12 | amiconn | linuxstb: I'd like to see this investigated and fixed+improved |
21:50:14 | barrywardell | it seems a little unreliable still. I think my home made cable isn't the best |
21:50:40 | barrywardell | przemhb: do you have an updated patch? |
21:51:28 | barrywardell | preglow: I basically have openocd working, so whatever that can do (excluding stuff that requires trst which isn't hooked up with my currentcable) |
21:52:00 | przemhb | barrywardell: I am updating it now |
21:52:19 | kkurbjun | barrywardell: did you figure out how to use openocd with your flash? |
21:53:21 | kkurbjun | you can also use gdb to load up elf files if you get the gdb/openocd communications setup - I havn't done that part personally, but eigma has it working nicely |
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21:54:40 | barrywardell | kkurbjun: I tried the standard cfi driver 'flash probe' failed on me |
21:55:07 | barrywardell | kkurbjun: I think gdb would be very nice to have. |
21:55:46 | przemhb | barrywardell: do you want me to send you updated patch? |
21:56:13 | barrywardell | przemhb: yes, please. or just post it to the tracker |
21:56:58 | barrywardell | przemhb: I can never get dcc to work. can you email it or post it to the tracker? |
21:57:27 | przemhb | barrywardell: ok; I post it to the tracker; wait a moment.. |
21:58:36 | barrywardell | kkurbjun: how fast is jtag reading from the flash for you? |
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22:02:09 | przemhb | barrywardell: you can get the patch from the tracker now |
22:02:19 | barrywardell | thanks, i'll have a look now... |
22:04:34 | przemhb | barrywardell: maybe you'll figure out why it hangs H10 during booting ('cause it seems it does) |
22:04:48 | barrywardell | I'll test it now |
22:04:49 | barrywardell | too |
22:05:30 | barrywardell | przemhb: at a first guess, I'd say maybe DELAY is the culprit? |
22:06:07 | barrywardell | AFAIK the h300 uses coldfire asm, we need the equivelent for the ARM in the H10 |
22:06:26 | przemhb | barrywardell: how would you modify it? |
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22:07:07 | barrywardell | how long does the delay need to be? |
22:07:53 | przemhb | barrywardell: hmm.. |
22:08:06 | barrywardell | is it 3ms? |
22:08:32 | barrywardell | no. |
22:08:57 | barrywardell | 2.5 microseconds? |
22:09:21 | przemhb | barrywardell: maybe I'll check it in the datasheet |
22:09:34 | barrywardell | it says up to 1MHz |
22:09:55 | barrywardell | which would be 1 microsecond? |
22:11:16 | przemhb | barrywardell: yes |
22:11:39 | przemhb | barrywardell: datasheets says that delay should be at least 1us |
22:12:28 | barrywardell | wait...I'm confused by all the ifdefs |
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22:13:22 | przemhb | barrywardell: like was I... |
22:13:32 | barrywardell | I think I have it worked out now |
22:14:26 | lemur | :) |
22:15:16 | przemhb | barrywardell: what exactly? |
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22:16:48 | barrywardell | I think it was still using the pp i2c functions |
22:17:09 | lemur | indeed |
22:18:10 | barrywardell | przemhb: the ifdefs were jumbled up. I'm fixing them now |
22:18:57 | przemhb | barrywardell: post updated patch to the tracker please |
22:19:22 | barrywardell | ok, I'll just test it quickly first |
22:21:01 | theclaw | do i have to rebuild the song database? i added an audiobook and it doesn't show up |
22:21:09 | theclaw | (but id3 tags exist) |
22:22:59 | BigBambi | theclaw: Do you have auto update turned on? |
22:23:47 | theclaw | i didn't. will try it, thanks |
22:24:21 | barrywardell | przemhb: gah, can't find my cable. I posted a new patch on the tracker for you to try |
22:24:46 | przemhb | barrywardell: ok, thanks |
22:25:52 | markun | preglow: with crossfeed on my ambisonics files sound a lot better |
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22:28:34 | theclaw | BigBambi: strange. i turned auto update on, and then selected "update now", but the audiobook didn't show up. then i restarted the player, and it works now |
22:29:16 | BigBambi | theclaw: I think autoupdate will check for changes at startup or after usb, as you can't add files whilst the player is running |
22:29:40 | BigBambi | Since you added the file then turned auto update on, it didn't check as neither of those conditions were met |
22:29:51 | BigBambi | If it checked constantly, perfomance would be horible |
22:29:54 | theclaw | but theres the "update now" option |
22:30:00 | BigBambi | theclaw: true |
22:30:07 | BigBambi | I can't explain that :) |
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22:31:57 | theclaw | it works now, anyway :) |
22:32:42 | tkooda | to save "a backup" of my new F40, will a `cp -a /media/GIGABEAT/ ~/` suffice? -or is there a binary app/script I need to run, too? |
22:34:17 | barrywardell | przemhb: so, any luck with the new patch? |
22:34:41 | kkurbjun | barrywardell: flash reading/writing is extremely slow |
22:35:13 | przemhb | barrywardell: I'm resolving conflicts... |
22:35:18 | kkurbjun | the Parallel III cables were only indended to run at about 200 kb/s |
22:35:23 | kkurbjun | I believe |
22:35:27 | barrywardell | kkurbjun: it's weird, because I had two experiences, one surprisingly fast, one very slow |
22:36:07 | barrywardell | kkurbjun: I previously had a broken hdd in the h10, so the bootloader failed to load the firmware and stopped there |
22:36:59 | kkurbjun | hmm, I don't know if there's an option in openocd to set different speeds, but with out buffers on the outputs, I doubt you could run much faster reliably |
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22:37:11 | kkurbjun | did both times give you the same readbacks? |
22:37:13 | barrywardell | kkurbjun: when i read the flash from that stage, it was quite fast. |
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22:37:25 | barrywardell | but with a working hdd and rockbox running, it was much slower |
22:37:31 | webguest73 | Hey, can anyone answer a question I have? |
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22:37:56 | kkurbjun | hmm, I'm not sure what would cause that |
22:38:12 | barrywardell | kkurbjun: I'm not sure, never checked if it read it 100% properly |
22:39:00 | przemhb | barrywardell: making... |
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22:39:52 | barrywardell | kkurbjun: my cable is just a very basic one.the one on this page: http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Customizing/Hardware/JTAG_Cable |
22:39:53 | markun | kkurbjun: could you look up the fotos you made when we went to the GSoC summit? |
22:40:16 | barrywardell | kkurbjun: openocd seems to lose the connection after a while |
22:40:42 | kkurbjun | based on the speeds I know those cables are supposed to run, I would expect it to take about 42 seconds per Meg at top speed without any extra commands/reads |
22:40:50 | kkurbjun | markun, yes, sorry about that |
22:40:50 | barrywardell | kkurbjun: do you think it's my cable? it's probably longer than 6 inches too |
22:41:02 | markun | tkooda: if it's brand new then a backup copy of /media/GIGABEAT/GBSYSTEM will be enough |
22:41:06 | kkurbjun | I'll do that when I get home |
22:41:13 | kkurbjun | just mail them to you? |
22:41:18 | tkooda | markun, thanks |
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22:41:31 | barrywardell | kkurbjun: that sounds like it could be around what I was getting at the faster speed |
22:42:08 | markun | kkurbjun: no problem. I also didn't send my pictures from NY to LambdaCalculus379 yet |
22:43:21 | theclaw | thats awesome. when plugging the usb cable in my sansa e200, it starts the original firmware, but disables this annoying database rebuild. I'm just curious, how does this work? |
22:43:54 | kkurbjun | barrywardell: I'm not sure about the disconnections, I havn't experienced any of those, without buffers or termination you should keep the length pretty short |
22:44:04 | bertrik | it resets a bit near the end of the 2nd partition |
22:44:16 | kkurbjun | if it gets too long the signals could look pretty nasty by the time you recieve them on either end |
22:44:29 | kkurbjun | but 200 khz is pretty slow too |
22:44:33 | theclaw | bertrik: but this doesn't harm anything? :) |
22:44:46 | kkurbjun | if there's an option to slow the cable down some more you might try that |
22:45:29 | barrywardell | kkurbjun: ok, I'll give it a shot. so you've just done flash reading/writing so far? |
22:45:30 | bertrik | no probably, but I wonder if it's bad for the flash to write to that same location every time, even when it is not needed |
22:46:07 | bertrik | theclaw: I think the flash controller takes care of wear levelling, but I can't be 100% sure |
22:46:37 | tkooda | the install manual/docs say "install fonts", but don't say where to get them or where to put them? |
22:46:57 | tkooda | are "the fonts" just the fonts/ dir in the svn trunk? |
22:47:02 | tkooda | ..where do they go?? |
22:47:09 | bertrik | tkooda: if you use rbutil, you won't have to worry about that, it will install them for you |
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22:47:54 | theclaw | bertrik: okay. did you hear of any complaints? how long is mode of operation (i mean, resetting the bit) been in the source code? |
22:48:19 | pixelma | tkooda: what documentation do you read? Just want to check back what's missing... |
22:48:35 | tkooda | bertrik, I've already got the /media/GIGABEAT/.rockbox/ unzipped.. and would rather not have to install a compiler/etc just to compile rbutil if it's just going to do a `cp` |
22:48:48 | BigBambi | tkooda: And to do it manually, download the fonts zip from the extras link on the website, then unzip it to your player. The directory structure in the zip is correct |
22:48:52 | bertrik | theclaw: no, I never heard of anyone wearing out the flash yet |
22:48:56 | BigBambi | tkooda: Which player? |
22:49:05 | theclaw | bertrik: okay, thanks |
22:49:44 | tkooda | pixelma, the pdf and html here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf.pdf http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-build.html (linked from: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml ) |
22:49:50 | BigBambi | tkooda: And there is a linux binary of rbutil available |
22:49:53 | tkooda | BigBambi, new GigaBeat F40 |
22:50:02 | bertrik | tkooda: there are ready-built binaries for linux, win32 and macosx |
22:50:24 | tkooda | BigBambi, aah.. didn't see the mention for the extras to find the fonts.. thanks.. |
22:51:23 | tkooda | what else do I need aside from the "rockbox.zip" for my player, and the "rockbox-fonts.zip" ? |
22:51:39 | BigBambi | the bootloader |
22:52:12 | barrywardell | bertrik, theclaw: given the OF sets that bit every time usb is plugged in, I don't think it's something we need to worry about |
22:52:16 | markun | tkooda: also, don't forget to copy our bootloader to /media/GIGABEAT/FWIMG/FWIMG01.DAT |
22:52:17 | tkooda | aah, yah.. forgot about that. got the "FWIMG01.DAT", and will put it in the place of the existing |
22:52:21 | tkooda | yah |
22:52:24 | markun | :) |
22:52:33 | tkooda | (renaming existing out of the way) |
22:52:39 | BigBambi | pixelma: I see that the manual does tell you where to get the fonts but only says to install them. Perhaps we ought to pop in to unzip the archive to the root? |
22:52:40 | theclaw | barrywardell: okay |
22:52:47 | tkooda | is that it then? no themes seperately or anything? |
22:53:01 | markun | after that you need to turn off the player and really turn if off with the battery switch before it will boot rockbox |
22:53:13 | theclaw | does rockbox on the sansa e200 support loading the battery? (i don't know if this even has to be supported by software) |
22:53:26 | theclaw | but are there any problems? |
22:53:37 | BigBambi | tkooda: A few themes come with rb, more are available from the wiki and rockbox-themes.org |
22:53:38 | tkooda | it'd be handy if the docs had just a `wget && unzip && mv && mv` for a manual install on linux, IMHO |
22:53:39 | bertrik | theclaw: yes, but only with a very small charging current and low termination voltage |
22:53:52 | markun | tkooda: you can get your themes here: http://rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16 |
22:53:58 | pixelma | BigBambi: yes, I also think that the info is a bit coarse |
22:54:00 | BigBambi | tkooda: You have no idea how many of our users that would confuse |
22:54:03 | tkooda | k thnx |
22:54:04 | theclaw | bertrik: has this negative effects on battery lifetime? |
22:54:05 | kkurbjun | barrywardell: I've used eigma's jtag setup on his m:robe also through gdb, but I havn't set that up with the work I've done |
22:54:20 | kkurbjun | with my cable that is |
22:54:34 | tkooda | BigBambi, heh. perhaps `expert.sh`.. all I'd care about is the wget urls and what to put where on the mount |
22:54:40 | markun | tkooda: not all work with the official rockbox builds, check "Min Version" |
22:54:54 | barrywardell | kkurbjun: ok. I think it would be interesting to get it working on a pp target. What type of cable does eigma use? |
22:55:02 | bertrik | theclaw: I don't think it's bad for the battery, but it will probably not charge as full as it would with the OF |
22:55:15 | BigBambi | tkooda: RButil does do that all for you, and is precompiled |
22:55:16 | kkurbjun | also as a note, both eigma and I have seen some flaky flash writing through openocd. |
22:55:24 | BigBambi | So about the same as running a script |
22:55:27 | markun | tkooda: feel free to write a little tutorial for manual linux installation. You can ask for write access to the wiki and place it there. |
22:55:36 | kkurbjun | eigma uses an altera byte blaster I think |
22:55:41 | BigBambi | But yes, feel free |
22:55:58 | kkurbjun | but I also thing he's modified it to give him some more signals than are typical |
22:56:11 | kkurbjun | you should be able to add ntrst to your cable also |
22:56:14 | przemhb | barrywardell: RB still fails to boot |
22:56:24 | barrywardell | :( |
22:56:38 | kkurbjun | as well as any other signal you want - eigma might have some more hints on what is needed to do that |
22:56:58 | theclaw | bertrik: so then i will probably use the original firmware to load the battery, but this has the negative effect that when booting with the usb cable plugged in (to avoid the databse rebuild), the display is always on |
22:57:06 | barrywardell | kkurbjun: ok, I'll ask him. When is he normally around on irc? |
22:57:10 | theclaw | i hope this doesn't have negative effects on the display :) |
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22:58:01 | bertrik | I don't see any reason for a negative effect |
22:58:50 | bertrik | is the sansa e200 backlight done with LEDs? |
22:58:58 | theclaw | i don't know |
22:59:13 | theclaw | just got the player today :) |
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22:59:46 | kkurbjun | barrywardell: it depends, he's on the east coast of north america, but he is not on at a regular schedule, I would say afternoons/evenings would be the best time to contact him. |
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23:00:43 | kkurbjun | so between 2 and 9 hours from now |
23:00:56 | kkurbjun | but I don't think he'll be on tongiht |
23:01:05 | barrywardell | ok, thanks. I'll keep an eye out for him |
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23:02:27 | barrywardell | przemhb: maybe add some gui_syncsplash's to figure out where it's going wrong? |
23:02:40 | barrywardell | przemhb: start in init() in apps/main.c |
23:03:10 | barrywardell | przemhb: and make sure you don't edit the simulator init by accident |
23:04:09 | BigBambi | pixelma: I'm just looking at the manual to add a sentence or two about the fonts - where do you think would be best? It would initially seem obvious to add it in the section where the link is mentioned (2.3.2 note;), but seeing as there then is separate headings for installing the firmware + bootloader, do you think it would be better under the installing the firmware section, or indeed as another heading after Installing the boot loader |
23:04:54 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
23:05:54 | BigBambi | Perhaps in between installing the firmware and the boot loader |
23:06:13 | przemhb | barrywardell: I'll try; what is a function for gui_syncsplash? |
23:06:36 | barrywardell | przemhb: something like gui_syncsplash(HZ, "blah"); |
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23:07:00 | barrywardell | it should show "blah" on the screen for a second |
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23:08:09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me configure my icontheme? |
23:08:49 | Dark_Apostrophe | I tried looking at the CustomIcons page on the wiki, but it isn't terribly understandable, IMO. |
23:09:03 | pixelma | BigBambi: I would probably either add something to the note there or put it under its own headline (after a first glance). |
23:09:27 | BigBambi | I think I'll pop it between firmware and bootloader and see how it looks |
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23:10:20 | przemhb | barrywardelL: I've added a few splashes; making... |
23:14:06 | tkooda | do these steps for installing rb on a new GigaBeat F40 look complete?: http://devsec.org/tmp/rb-install-F40 |
23:14:18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anyone? :) |
23:14:50 | Dark_Apostrophe | tkooda: yes? |
23:15:22 | tkooda | Dark_Apostrophe, why the question mark? |
23:15:33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Doesn't look like it actually installs rockbox on it... Let me read it more carefully |
23:16:14 | tkooda | only like 4-5 commands.. wget && unzip && mv.. should be simple to understand |
23:16:43 | Dark_Apostrophe | It doesn't actually install Rockbox |
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23:17:00 | Dark_Apostrophe | It installs the bootloader, but doesn't move the files extracted in /tmp to rockbox |
23:17:20 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh wait |
23:17:22 | Dark_Apostrophe | It does |
23:17:22 | markun | tkooda: looks fine to me |
23:17:23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Never mind |
23:17:24 | tkooda | Dark_Apostrophe, the `cd` |
23:17:26 | tkooda | yah |
23:17:30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Didn't notice it |
23:17:35 | tkooda | markun, you on freebsd? ;) |
23:17:37 | Dark_Apostrophe | That's why I needed to read it more carefully ;) |
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23:17:45 | markun | tkooda: yes, how did you know? |
23:17:46 | Dark_Apostrophe | tkooda: Anyway, you can use rbutilqt to install Rockbox |
23:17:49 | Dark_Apostrophe | tkooda: It's a nice GUI |
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23:18:15 | tkooda | Dark_Apostrophe, I'd much prefer not to use a gui when it's so* trivial to install with 3-4 shell commands |
23:18:22 | Dark_Apostrophe | I know |
23:18:24 | tkooda | markun, http user agent string. :P |
23:18:31 | markun | :) |
23:18:33 | Dark_Apostrophe | But the GUI downloads it, unpacks it, installs it etc |
23:18:37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Takes about two clicks |
23:18:51 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't mind doing stuff manually, but this is far faster |
23:18:55 | tkooda | Dark_Apostrophe, so does `curl -s http://devsec.org/tmp/rb-install-F40 |bash` ;P |
23:19:05 | Dark_Apostrophe | :p |
23:19:08 | markun | ;) |
23:19:10 | tkooda | Dark_Apostrophe, I don't trust gui's. ;P |
23:19:20 | Dark_Apostrophe | So, does anyone have an answer for my question? :) |
23:19:33 | Dark_Apostrophe | I can't figure out how to set an icontheme |
23:19:37 | tkooda | thnx guys.. I'll power-cycle now.. |
23:19:48 | Dark_Apostrophe | And the wiki article didn't get me any closer |
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23:23:29 | tkooda | success! thanks guys.. nice work on rb, too! |
23:23:49 | markun | tkooda: have fun with it |
23:24:09 | tkooda | 4car theme is perfect for my usage, too. |
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23:26:19 | tkooda | I still think knowledgable users would really* appreaciate something like http://devsec.org/tmp/rb-install-F40 in the docs/wiki somewhere.. (rb and the stuff on the website is well designed enough so that I only needed 3-4 commands to install, and I think it'd be nice to document just those commands, IMHO) |
23:26:36 | tkooda | (don't nessicarily mean my* link.. just the 3-4 commands) |
23:27:48 | barrywardell | przemhb: got disconnected. any luck? |
23:27:50 | markun | tkooda: if they are knowledgable they can figure out the exact command from reading the install section anyway, don't you think? |
23:27:54 | tkooda | 40GB GigaBeat F40 on ebay for $68 bucks, plus http://devsec.org/tmp/rb-install-F40 gave me a sweet drm-free digital music player that can play just about ANY (drm free) audio (the stock flash could only do mp3, heh) |
23:27:59 | tkooda | aak, sorry |
23:28:01 | tkooda | wrong term |
23:28:28 | markun | tkooda: plus the hard work of us rockbox devs of course :) |
23:28:38 | tkooda | hehe.. of course |
23:28:53 | Dark_Apostrophe | tkooda: When I bought mine, about a month or so ago, I could only find F20 |
23:28:55 | przemhb | barrywardell: at the moment I can tell you only that it passes i2c_init() and radio_init() |
23:29:01 | Dark_Apostrophe | You were lucky to find a 40gig one |
23:29:12 | przemhb | barrywardell: I'm adding new splashes... |
23:29:23 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: I had the impression that the F40 is more common on ebay |
23:29:31 | Dark_Apostrophe | I failed to find any |
23:29:40 | markun | bad timing maybe |
23:29:44 | Dark_Apostrophe | probably |
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23:30:40 | tkooda | da, the officedepot is rumored to have flooded the market with F40's in the past few months, so they're supposedly starting to turn up 2nd hand now |
23:31:04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay |
23:31:14 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'd like one of those hard drives |
23:31:22 | Dark_Apostrophe | And perhaps a longer-lasting battery |
23:33:56 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: I bought a longer lasting battery 2 weeks ago. Works great. |
23:34:22 | tkooda | came in here like last Thusday; F40 was recomended in 5min, I had won a $68 ebay auction for one in less than 20min and it just showed up today, and the rb install took only like 5 min. I'm very* pleased with the rb effort/project and will definately recomend the same procedure to many. |
23:34:25 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't want a second hand one though |
23:34:47 | markun | tkooda: are you a programmer? |
23:34:51 | tkooda | new + 1week in pocket == second hand. :P |
23:34:59 | tkooda | markun, yes |
23:35:09 | tkooda | 15+ years |
23:35:11 | markun | any interest in working on rockbox? |
23:35:31 | tkooda | some. -I think I'll investigate to see about he landscape patch |
23:35:46 | tkooda | ..to see if it's possible to do dynamic after boot |
23:35:55 | markun | I would forget about the patch and implement it in a nice way if I were you |
23:36:07 | tkooda | heh. perhaps |
23:36:22 | tkooda | (perhaps about doing it; I'll take yer word for it re: the patch) |
23:36:38 | markun | the patch just changes the LCD driver to rotate the image and swaps the HEIGHT and WIDTH |
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23:36:43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hey, I have an idea |
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23:36:53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Has anyone played SuperTux? |
23:37:25 | * | markun hasn't |
23:37:34 | Dark_Apostrophe | apt-get install supertux |
23:37:35 | Dark_Apostrophe | :) |
23:37:45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anyway, it could be ported much like frozen bubble was |
23:37:47 | markun | preglow: I'm having a lot of fun with these ambisonics recordings :) |
23:37:51 | tkooda | my next todo is to get a pic/avr programmed to get the audio plugs working on my Sony heads up dislay in my car ((g)unilink protocol project).. then I thought I'd see about writing a module to accept input via usb from the heads up.. but then the device can't be forced into usb mode all the time |
23:37:54 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's basically an open source supermario-like game |
23:38:00 | Dark_Apostrophe | But featuring Tux the Penguin instead |
23:38:14 | tkooda | markun, I'll investigate the landscape code.. thanks. |
23:38:33 | markun | tkooda: will also be interesting for the Sansa users |
23:38:43 | Dark_Apostrophe | BTW, what is landscape? |
23:39:00 | tkooda | da, rotated screen 90degrees |
23:39:12 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh |
23:39:13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Cool |
23:39:43 | tkooda | heh (re: nano) |
23:39:52 | tkooda | aak, wrong term again. |
23:39:53 | tkooda | bay |
23:39:55 | tkooda | bye |
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23:40:07 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun: So, any idea how to change iconset? |
23:40:13 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun: The wiki article got me nowhere |
23:40:36 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: I changed mine a long time ago. I'm not sure what I did :) |
23:40:52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Mind pasting your config.cfg anywhere? :) |
23:41:02 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'd like comparing it to mine |
23:41:59 | markun | ok, will take a few seconds |
23:42:22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, np |
23:43:06 | markun | damn, I have to reboot again before the buggy USB code of FreeBSD crashes my PC again ;( |
23:43:27 | preglow | markun: haha, i can imagine, do you have good height resolution yet? :P |
23:43:30 | przemhb | barrywardell: up to cpu_boost() is ok; adding new splashes.. |
23:44:00 | markun | preglow: I was never planning to add height simulation :) |
23:44:11 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun: Hrm... Linux 2.6.22's USB code seems fine. :/ |
23:44:29 | markun | preglow: but with crossfeed on it really sounds like there is a lot of stuff going on in front of me |
23:44:58 | markun | see you after the reboot.. |
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23:47:28 | Dark_Apostrophe | I was always under the impression that FreeBSD was great driver-wise. |
23:47:34 | Dark_Apostrophe | ... or was that OpenBSD? |
23:48:11 | przemhb | barrywardell: it stuck somwhere in root_menu() |
23:50:01 | Nico_P | heh, the album art patch has improved quite a bit while I wasn't looking :) |
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23:54:58 | barrywardell | przemhb: hmm. that's strange. did my original patch freeze on you too? |
23:55:37 | przemhb | barrwardell: no |
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23:56:33 | * | Dark_Apostrophe markun |
23:56:50 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/config.cfg |