| 00:00:33 | pixelma | haven't tested yet but I don't like that he changes things without asking (and from my own experience button actions experience, interference and conflicts are easy to get) |
| 00:00:47 | preglow | yeah, i agree completely with that |
| 00:00:48 | pixelma | -experience |
| 00:01:20 | preglow | who got him commit access? |
| 00:01:24 | Casainho | bertrik: ah, okok :-) |
| 00:01:25 | preglow | that whoever could fire a mail along |
| 00:01:34 | lars_g | sigh as ever, you guys are made of win |
| 00:01:41 | pixelma | he got commit access for updating the italian language |
| 00:02:08 | Casainho | bertrik: I would like to find Ipod version for fade... |
| 00:02:14 | preglow | yeah, know |
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| 00:04:04 | krazykit | it looks like he was mimicing the e200 keymap commit on the c200... |
| 00:04:06 | pixelma | I guess his thought was - the change that's been done to the e200 keymap should be done for the c200 as well, but since Llorean's changes lately they differ a bit more and surely the wheel (or extra volume buttons instead) makes a difference |
| 00:05:34 | pixelma | I don't even know if he has a c200 to test on, personally I would never change a keymap of a target I don't own or at least ask around for testers before |
| 00:09:39 | pixelma | markun: did you mean me with "puyou"? ;) |
| 00:10:39 | markun | pixelma: oops :) |
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| 00:11:14 | bertrik | Casainho: backlight.c is #ifdef hell |
| 00:12:06 | Casainho | bertrik: ?? I didn't understand... |
| 00:12:17 | bertrik | never mind then |
| 00:13:10 | Casainho | do you know here is in Ipod the code to make fade?? |
| 00:13:35 | bertrik | no |
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| 00:15:01 | Casainho | okok... |
| 00:15:15 | pixelma | hmm... currently I can't get to the list of bookmarks at all (I set it to always save a bookmark on stop, and if I stop playback it looks like it writes something, "disk" activity symbol appears in the statusbar but if I want to see the list of bookmarks I get the "no bookmarks" splash) |
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| 00:17:56 | Casainho | bertrik: #if defined(HAVE_BACKLIGHT_PWM_FADING) && !defined(SIMULATOR) |
| 00:18:16 | Casainho | on FIRMWARE/backlight.c |
| 00:18:17 | pixelma | I compared to the Ondio and there I get a splash "bookmark saved" which is not happening on the c200 |
| 00:18:30 | bertrik | Why do you want PWM fading? |
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| 00:22:06 | Casainho | because I think thats more charm, calm... |
| 00:22:35 | preglow | yeah, know |
| 00:22:45 | preglow | geh, up + enter in the wrong window |
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| 00:27:37 | scorche|w | pixelma: and if he got commit access for maintaining a language file, he really shouldnt be modifying things like keymaps/code without a word... |
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| 00:28:35 | pixelma | I can't even test the change because I get no list of bookmarks to delete one on my c200 :\ |
| 00:29:17 | Casainho | bertrik: can you add me TWiki? - my user name is: JorgePinto |
| 00:29:20 | Casainho | thank you |
| 00:29:25 | Casainho | I go to sleep |
| 00:29:31 | Casainho | good nigh :-) |
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| 00:32:14 | * | Llorean cheers for the left-margin patch getting committed. |
| 00:33:12 | * | pixelma would rather see the placeholder problem solved |
| 00:33:42 | Nico_P | pixelma: could you remind me what you mean by "placeholder"? |
| 00:33:45 | Llorean | Placeholder problem? |
| 00:33:58 | DerPapst | afaik Alessio Lenzi committed a few weeks ago a keymap change |
| 00:34:30 | DerPapst | also for c200 if i'm not wrong |
| 00:35:57 | PaulJam | pixelma: can't you open a .bmark file directly? |
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| 00:36:56 | pixelma | Llorean: if I have the album art inside a conditional (e.g. hold on/off) and there is an art picture present but isn't shown because the hold switch is off for example, the place where the picture *could* be is blank and can't be used for text for example |
| 00:37:37 | pixelma | PaulJam: I have none, where do I get it from... maybe copying one from another target is possible (?) |
| 00:39:28 | PaulJam | pixelma: if you manually create a bookmark, then a .bmark file is created one level above the location of the file. i thought the same happens if bookmark on stop is used. |
| 00:39:58 | pixelma | how am I supposed to create one? |
| 00:40:15 | PaulJam | via the context menu |
| 00:41:07 | PaulJam | *wps-contectmenu |
| 00:42:17 | pixelma | I wonder if that works, because I have the same settings enabled on Ondio (and M5 too now) and I get the bookmark on stop - but I'll try as soon as the stupid OF's database refresh is finished and lets me continue... |
| 00:42:54 | Llorean | pixelma: Ah, yes, that is a problem. One should be able to make a WPS with an AA conditional so that text is centered with no AA, and right aligned with a margin if there is, I think |
| 00:43:28 | pixelma | Llorean: if the %?C everything works as expected |
| 00:43:49 | Llorean | Ah, so it's all other conditionals except %?C? |
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| 00:44:27 | pixelma | I meant if that's the conditional, but not if it's inside the hold conditional (all I've tried so far) |
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| 00:44:56 | Llorean | Ah |
| 00:45:16 | Llorean | Still, hold conditional is an exceptionally useful one, since it's nice to be able to have alternate data by toggling hold, on small screens |
| 00:45:44 | pixelma | PaulJam: I can't even save a bookmark manually |
| 00:46:12 | pixelma | chosing "save bookmark" in the wps context menu does nothing |
| 00:46:38 | PaulJam | oh, it doesn't work on my h300 either. |
| 00:47:02 | pixelma | Llorean: that's what I was trying to achieve :) |
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| 00:47:57 | Nico_P | pixelma: there is an open bug report for the "placeholder problem": FS #6056 |
| 00:48:54 | PaulJam | hmm, seems as if trying to create a bookmark not just didn't work, but also broke dircache. |
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| 00:49:03 | pixelma | Nico_P: I think FS #5937 is essentially the same |
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| 00:49:47 | pixelma | meaning, it has the same cause |
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| 00:50:50 | Nico_P | Llorean, pixelma: the probem is all due to the pictures/AA being in a conditional |
| 00:51:36 | Nico_P | it's quite c complex problem... pixelma: don't hold your breath waiting for a solution |
| 00:51:37 | PaulJam | hmm, i was wrong, the bookmark was created, but not where i expected it to appear. it was created in the root diretory where the playlist that was playing is located. |
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| 00:53:38 | Llorean | PaulJam: As bookmarks are relative to playlists, this is expected. |
| 00:54:03 | Llorean | The assumption that seems to be made is that you'll often have an audiobook composed of "Playlist of segment files" so the bookmark is in the playlist, and restores the whole list plus your position in it. |
| 00:54:26 | pixelma | PaulJam: it seems to work on my M5 too, but not on c200 (both with r15606) |
| 00:54:28 | PaulJam | Llorean: in the past i have only created bookmarks for a dynamic playlist and there the location is different |
| 00:54:41 | Llorean | Yes, with dynamic playlists it should just go up one folder. |
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| 00:55:05 | PaulJam | that confused me a little bit |
| 00:55:07 | pixelma | Llorean: do you know if bookmarking works correctly on e200? |
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| 00:55:16 | Llorean | pixelma: I don't use them, so I haven't tried. Sorry. |
| 00:55:48 | Llorean | PaulJam: The theory for that was "If it's in the list of files, it's really not simplifying getting playback started too much since it's more of a hassle to get to" |
| 00:55:59 | Llorean | Plus, alongside a playlist parallels alongside the folder when folders are basically the dynamic playlist |
| 00:56:04 | pixelma | I usually don't use them, too - this is what you get when you want to try a keymap change... |
| 00:56:17 | Llorean | I think bookmarking could use a redesign, but I haven't come up with sound suggestions so I've mostly kept my mouth shut. I don't use it anyway |
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| 01:12:00 | PaulJam | Nico_P: you said updating the AA image in the wps is more expensive than updating a normal image, so if i would use something like %?lh<%C|%C> to force the AA image to update dynamically would this have a noticeable effect on boostratio/batterylife? (sorry if i annoy you with my questions) |
| 01:13:43 | Dwyloc | Looks like the slow scrolling in file view bug is back in resent builds, unboosted scrolling on my ipod video is very slow in the file view display, but nice and snappy in the menus. |
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| 01:14:40 | Nico_P | PaulJam: I'm not sure it would be very notceable |
| 01:14:58 | Nico_P | do you really need to do that? |
| 01:18:29 | PaulJam | well, i'm trying to make the wps i'm using compatible with svn rockbox, but i havent found a workaround for the lack of a rightmargin that doesn't result in one line overlapping the albumart. |
| 01:19:42 | Nico_P | could I see the source? |
| 01:22:21 | PaulJam | i haven't yet modified the wps, until now i only thought about how to solve some problems. |
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| 01:24:13 | Nico_P | what kind of line is overlapping the AA? |
| 01:25:32 | PaulJam | wait a moment, i'll do a screendump, that might explain it better. |
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| 01:27:42 | innovati | hey all |
| 01:29:31 | innovati | what's the easiest way to check my ipod generation specification on a mac? |
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| 01:32:28 | PaulJam | Nico_P: http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9219/dump071113012624br0.gif the problem i have is with the genre field. it shouldn't overlap the right border, but i have some genre srings that dont fit into the filed, so if i would ise the leftmargingin tags it would mean that it scrolls and then i can't use a mask loaded with %x for the right border, because images loaded with %x flicker when they are above scrolling lines. |
| 01:32:54 | Llorean | innovati: http://ipodlinux.org/Generations |
| 01:33:22 | innovati | Llorean: much thanks |
| 01:33:56 | Llorean | PaulJam: Why not simply edit the backdrop ever so slightly so that the box is no longer closed on the right? |
| 01:33:57 | PaulJam | ...so the only solution i see is to put a lot of spaces (which would be underneath the albumart) in front of the genre tag. |
| 01:34:19 | PaulJam | Llorean: i don't think this would look good |
| 01:34:50 | innovati | oh, it turns out I have 2nd gen nano |
| 01:36:04 | Nico_P | PaulJam: oh yes I see... is it really a big problem if the string scrolls over the right border? |
| 01:36:14 | Llorean | Apparently so. |
| 01:36:31 | Nico_P | PaulJam: whay you'd really want is a non-scrolling margin, right? |
| 01:37:31 | PaulJam | Nico_P: this would work too. (even though viewports would be even better :)) |
| 01:37:41 | Nico_P | of course |
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| 01:39:16 | JdGordon | right |
| 01:39:18 | Nico_P | PaulJam: is it acceptable to have the right border occasionally be scrolled over, though? It doesn't seem like too much of a bad compromise to me |
| 01:39:29 | JdGordon | im sick of this viewports talk.. whos gonna help me just bloody do it? |
| 01:39:38 | Nico_P | JdGordon: me! but not now |
| 01:40:01 | JdGordon | now as in tonight...? |
| 01:40:25 | courtc | Who handles hardware donations for this project? |
| 01:40:51 | Nico_P | JdGordon: yeah... I'm going to bed right now :) |
| 01:40:56 | Llorean | It seems to me like viewports might help with portrait/landscape too. Isn't one of the significant problems there the fixed dimensions of the screen? |
| 01:41:05 | Llorean | How scrolling works relative to the screen etc? |
| 01:41:22 | Nico_P | Llorean: yes, scrolling in a viewport will be much nicer |
| 01:41:24 | JdGordon | courtc: Zagor... if you want to donate there is a paypal link on the frontpage |
| 01:41:31 | Llorean | courtc: Hardware donations are dependent on the hardware |
| 01:41:33 | PaulJam | Nico_P: well, sure i wouldn't die or something when the text overlaps the right border, i thought if making the AA dynamic has only little impact, this solution would be better. |
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| 01:41:41 | Llorean | FOr example, if it's a specific player, you generally need to find someone interested in working on it. |
| 01:41:48 | Nico_P | PaulJam: yeah you could also do that |
| 01:42:09 | JdGordon | courtc: bah sorry.. missed the word hardware :p |
| 01:42:12 | courtc | Hrm.. I need a long-term contact for iPod hardware donations |
| 01:42:19 | Llorean | Nico_P, JdGordon: Maybe when working on viewports, keep the idea of runtime-rotation in mind then... |
| 01:42:21 | Nico_P | PaulJam: honestly I doubt it would have an effect whatsoever but it feels like a waste to have AA dynamic in SVN |
| 01:42:47 | Nico_P | you're free to hack it to be dynamic though ;) |
| 01:43:49 | Nico_P | Llorean: ah, I hadn't understood... yeah viewports could possibly make things more flexible |
| 01:44:21 | Nico_P | anyway, I'm off to bed now |
| 01:44:27 | Llorean | Nico_P: I'm hoping it will, or at least some additional elbow-room for flexibility can be engineered in so that someone else can more readily do the work later |
| 01:44:51 | Nico_P | yeah, let's hope amiconn has that part in his head too :) |
| 01:45:16 | Nico_P | JdGordon: writing a design doc would be an essential first step IMHO |
| 01:45:28 | Nico_P | and have amiconn approve it too |
| 01:45:37 | JdGordon | doh! |
| 01:45:48 | courtc | So... Is there someone I can contact for that, or should I just pick an iPod dev? |
| 01:46:03 | courtc | randomly, of course. |
| 01:46:10 | JdGordon | what do you want to donate? |
| 01:47:01 | * | Nico_P is off for good |
| 01:47:02 | courtc | See that's the thing. Plural iPods, possibly. Long-term is the key idea. |
| 01:47:05 | scorche | courtc: well, typically how it is done, is with a post to the dev ML, but for long term... |
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| 01:47:34 | JdGordon | ah your talking long term loan? not donate? |
| 01:48:29 | courtc | no... I need a contact for long-term relations concerning ipod donations. |
| 01:48:54 | JdGordon | oh |
| 01:48:56 | courtc | hint: I'm a core dev with the iPodLinux project. |
| 01:49:10 | JdGordon | you probably want to email Bagder then |
| 01:49:44 | courtc | righto, thanks. |
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| 01:52:33 | Llorean | courtc: Mind you, most of the core devs here interested in iPod development have quite often already acquired the one that interested them, y'know? |
| 01:52:34 | JdGordon | does the left margin patch which went in work for scrolling lines? |
| 01:53:11 | scorche | Llorean: and all the rest float to amiconn? ;) |
| 01:53:19 | Llorean | JdGordon: I think it *only* works for scrolling lines. |
| 01:53:31 | Llorean | scorche: I do think we need to make sure he has one of *every* target, iPod or non. ;) |
| 01:54:21 | courtc | Llorean: right, but as a developer with 6(!) iPods, I understand that multiple platforms helps to iron out more details ;) |
| 01:54:39 | JdGordon | 6 only?? |
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| 01:55:18 | courtc | Indeed. Haven't been interested in the latest entourage of iPods. |
| 01:55:57 | Llorean | courtc: I think the big interest right now is in the processor itself |
| 01:56:13 | Llorean | Which really only has three "interesting" variants, PP5002, PP5020, and PP502x where x!=0 |
| 01:57:30 | courtc | ok? |
| 01:57:37 | Llorean | Just sharing information. |
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| 01:58:52 | Soap | yes - let's get 502xs into the hands of all low-level-pokers who don't have one! |
| 01:59:17 | courtc | Oh dear. |
| 01:59:20 | Llorean | The big iPod problems are "Power consumption on 502xs where x>=0" and "The Nano issue" right now, right? |
| 01:59:48 | Soap | really only about the only 2 big ones left. |
| 01:59:50 | Llorean | We've got stable scaling on the 5020s, and dual core working well enough now, and the 5002 have a power drain fix, so we're doing pretty good honestly |
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| 02:00:09 | Soap | HDD poweroff was a nice recent improvement. |
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| 02:01:17 | Llorean | Indeed, but still not the boost we needed |
| 02:01:28 | Llorean | Which was guessable by the Nano and Sansa anyway. |
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| 02:03:25 | JdGordon | courtc: if ou dont mind me asking.. which were you looking to pass on? |
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| 02:04:44 | courtc | Hrm...? Nothing specific really, just stuff offered but not needed for the ipl project. |
| 02:05:23 | courtc | Trying to maximize the potential of hardware donations by branching out to similar projects. |
| 02:05:55 | Llorean | Well, as was said earlier, the best plan is to either go through Bagder, or perhaps set up a wiki page to keep updated with what's available, and come up with a plan for our guys to contact you by some means. |
| 02:06:01 | scorche | plural projects?...what others are you thinking of? |
| 02:06:32 | Soap | iPodBSD needs love too! |
| 02:06:42 | Soap | ;) |
| 02:06:43 | krazykit | damn you soap, i was about to say that! |
| 02:06:45 | Llorean | iPodMinix? |
| 02:06:55 | courtc | gtkpod, amarok, ccos(jk), other iPod interfacing projects in the OSS spectrum. |
| 02:07:06 | scorche | ah |
| 02:07:12 | Llorean | courtc: Do interfacing projects really need a lot of hardware to work with? |
| 02:07:24 | Llorean | Isn't that more of just software format? |
| 02:07:25 | preglow | yeah[B[6~ddd[A |
| 02:08:02 | courtc | Not often, sometimes, but motivation is important too. ;) |
| 02:08:22 | Llorean | Hah |
| 02:08:35 | Llorean | So.. "donations" in the political sense? ;) |
| 02:09:00 | scorche | courtc: if seb ruiz from amarok is a pretty cool guy if he wants one :) |
| 02:09:12 | scorche | s/if// |
| 02:10:18 | pixelma | hmm.. I just realised that Alessio Lenzi's change to the c200 keymap probably made something work which didn't before (conflict with moving up in the list) but can't test. Still I don't like being surprised and that he's never around to discuss changes... |
| 02:10:42 | JdGordon | fell like shooting off an email? |
| 02:10:46 | JdGordon | feel* |
| 02:11:50 | pixelma | heading off to bed - probably tomorrow if noone beats me to it |
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| 02:12:17 | * | JdGordon would but probably doesnt have the required tact :p |
| 02:12:35 | pixelma | JdGordon: did you ever (or especially recently) try bookmarking on e200? |
| 02:12:48 | JdGordon | no |
| 02:13:07 | JdGordon | Im the same as Llorean (what he said ebfore about needing a rewrite but no idea how) |
| 02:14:48 | Llorean | I also think the FM screen is a bit confusing. |
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| 02:15:57 | pixelma | I'm wondering if it's currently broken there at the moment too. I think it was alright on c200 when I tried a while ago but can't get it working with a current build (it's ok with M5) |
| 02:17:25 | Llorean | Tried a sim? |
| 02:17:30 | ReKleSS | is there a way to set the encoding rockbox uses to display filenames? |
| 02:17:43 | ReKleSS | I've got default codepage set to SJIS, but it looks like it's still a latin encoding |
| 02:19:07 | pixelma | Llorean: no, not a e200 sim |
| 02:20:39 | safetydan | ReKleSS: what are you seeing? Boxes? |
| 02:21:05 | ReKleSS | safetydan: other characters |
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| 02:22:12 | safetydan | ReKleSS: filenames are encoded as UCS-2 on FAT filesystems I believe so there should be no need to change anything for Rockbox to show the filenames correctly. |
| 02:23:23 | Llorean | pixelma: Does it work or not in the c200 sim? |
| 02:24:03 | pixelma | Llorean: but build and sim don't always behave the same, for example my c200 sim as of late yesterday crashes when I attempt playback whereas the build of the same revision showed no oddities |
| 02:24:17 | pixelma | on the target |
| 02:24:43 | pixelma | well, I can't test that too for the above reasons.. |
| 02:26:16 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 02:26:28 | Llorean | I was just curious if the problem showed up in the c200 sim, but I guess can't be told right now |
| 02:26:45 | JdGordon | pixelma: 64bit comp? |
| 02:27:02 | pixelma | no |
| 02:27:34 | pixelma | (or better, hardware-wise yes, but running a 32bit WinXP) |
| 02:28:51 | JdGordon | ok, scratyh that idea then |
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| 02:29:44 | PaulJam | pixelma: when you reported the simulator crash yesterday it crashed for me too, but with todays svn it works again, you should try if it is fixed for you too with current svn |
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| 02:31:52 | pixelma | yes, going to |
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| 02:33:57 | pixelma | e200 sim does not crash and bookmarking works there |
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| 02:34:57 | webguest79 | hi all |
| 02:35:02 | ryanakca | Why does "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk/rbutil rbutil" just hang? |
| 02:35:07 | ReKleSS | safetydan: I'm not sure if it's a because of something with my linux setup, but I can't create UCS2 filenames on my iriver |
| 02:35:41 | webguest79 | Can someone tell me if the error I'm getting proves that my bootloader is working, therefore its a problem with the rockbox firmware? |
| 02:36:09 | webguest79 | I see the Rockbox logo for a second, then it immediately goes to ATA error -216 |
| 02:38:57 | pixelma | what kind of player? |
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| 02:42:31 | pixelma | webguest79: do you have an Ipod, Iriver, Sansa? |
| 02:42:58 | * | Llorean guesses iRiver H100 series. |
| 02:43:14 | webguest79 | no its a e250r sansa |
| 02:43:51 | advcomp2019 | did you use the right steps |
| 02:44:25 | pixelma | PaulJam: you were right, the sim works again, creating a bookmark works there too, though :\ |
| 02:44:46 | webguest79 | I believe so. I have switched back and forth between the original firmware and back to the rockbox bootloader. I can boot into the original firmware by holding the key while booting... everything works, but the rockbox never starts up, just errors out |
| 02:45:38 | webguest79 | I followed to a 'T' the e200r steps. I'm trying the newly released rockbox build right now.. |
| 02:45:42 | advcomp2019 | did you put the .rockbox folder on the sansa |
| 02:45:50 | webguest79 | yes. |
| 02:46:17 | safetydan | ReKleSS: you shouldn't need to do anything. It should "just work". Are you specifying the charset when you mount the your iriver? You probably don't want to do that. |
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| 02:48:14 | advcomp2019 | webguest79, what unzipping app did you use |
| 02:48:18 | pixelma | I'm really off now though, nightie |
| 02:48:27 | webguest79 | ATA error: -219, Press OK to debug. Does that mean I at least have the bootloader doing something? |
| 02:48:42 | webguest79 | I used unzip from command line... I run linux |
| 02:49:08 | webguest79 | should i go crazy with chmod 777 on the .rockbox directory? |
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| 02:49:31 | Llorean | Your drive should be FAT32 |
| 02:49:34 | krazykit | webguest79, seeing as it's a fat filesystem, changing permissions will do nothing |
| 02:49:34 | Llorean | You can't chmod it. |
| 02:49:56 | newbyx86 | hehehe |
| 02:49:56 | webguest79 | ok that makes sense |
| 02:50:03 | Llorean | webguest79: IS yours Fat32? |
| 02:50:04 | webguest79 | :P |
| 02:50:26 | webguest79 | lemme check |
| 02:51:19 | webguest79 | ok, how do I see? :p |
| 02:52:23 | webguest79 | ok, I did df -T and it said vfat |
| 02:52:58 | TFGBD | Could rockbox possibly play MP3 (or any other audio format besides wav) on device with a 40mhz MIPS processor? |
| 02:52:59 | webguest79 | not sure if that is fat32 or fat16, but I guess its fat32 |
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| 02:53:25 | Llorean | It should be fine then. |
| 02:53:29 | TFGBD | Is it that optimized that it can handle such limited hardware? |
| 02:53:41 | Llorean | The ATA error message is a bootloader message, but I don't know what it means. AFAIK, the Sansa doesn't have ATA |
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| 02:54:05 | Llorean | TFGBD: Optimization generally requires assembly code specific to the processor. |
| 02:54:27 | TFGBD | there are no MIPS players its ported to already? |
| 02:54:40 | Llorean | SH1, M68k coldfire, and ARM |
| 02:55:10 | Llorean | That being said, MP3 I believe runs at 45mhz on the Coldfire target, and last I heard FLAC could be decoded with it clocked to something like 34mhz |
| 02:55:19 | advcomp2019 | webguest79, did you use the right rockbox.zip |
| 02:55:21 | TFGBD | How about SH3 or SH4 then.. |
| 02:55:29 | TFGBD | Forget I said mips now. |
| 02:56:20 | TFGBD | Just the SH1 of the SH family is supported then? |
| 02:56:29 | webguest79 | I used the rockbox for the e200. |
| 02:56:34 | webguest79 | so I believe yes. |
| 02:57:07 | TFGBD | What is like the minimal hardware it will run on where its still useful? |
| 02:57:23 | Llorean | TFGBD: Nobody's determined this yet. |
| 02:57:39 | Llorean | It gets ported to MP3 players, so we already know in advance the hardware is capable of being useful... |
| 02:57:49 | TFGBD | What is the most limited device it currently supports? |
| 02:57:59 | TFGBD | Thats what I'm asking, I guess... |
| 02:58:03 | Llorean | The Archos players with their SH1 processor |
| 02:58:13 | Llorean | They use an MP3 decoder chip. |
| 02:58:21 | TFGBD | Ah, so its partly hw.. |
| 02:58:22 | scorche | but keep in mind it doesnt use the processor for decoding |
| 02:58:23 | Llorean | The processor itself is very slow and just does the UI work. |
| 02:58:29 | webguest79 | do I have to install the fonts before it will work? |
| 02:58:32 | TFGBD | I guess it would choke on an ogg or wma on something like that then... |
| 02:58:37 | Llorean | webguest79: That problem is nothing to do with fonts. |
| 02:58:38 | scorche | not partly...it *is* HWcodec |
| 02:58:43 | Llorean | TFGBD: MP3 decoder chip... MP3... |
| 02:58:44 | webguest79 | ok |
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| 02:59:13 | TFGBD | Ok, so the device would even choke on mp3 if it didn't have the decoder.. ;) |
| 02:59:27 | Llorean | Otherwise there would've been no point in wasting money on the decoder... |
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| 03:00:37 | Llorean | Other than that, the ARM core was working at 75mhz, and the Coldfire was 120mhz, so that's really what it's been tested at. |
| 03:01:29 | TFGBD | Heh.. Would it be of any use on a 286 PC with DOS? |
| 03:01:49 | lostlogic | unlikely |
| 03:01:59 | lostlogic | 286 runs at what 10-20mhz? |
| 03:02:02 | webguest79 | Thanks Llorean for trying... This model was only recently "hacked', so maybe when the process evolves it will work for me. Hopefully soon as I HATE the crappy original firmware |
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| 03:02:29 | Llorean | webguest79: It works for everyone else. The only reason it shouldn't work for you is if you've done something wrong, or there's something different or wrong with your player. |
| 03:02:34 | TFGBD | I guess its not too much more useful on DOS PC than what already exists for 386s to play mp3s... |
| 03:02:57 | lostlogic | TFGBD: plus you'd hafta port it to x86... *shudder* |
| 03:03:06 | webguest79 | its a refurb... Not sure if that could add some factor in it. |
| 03:03:25 | PaulPosition | Is (was?)'nt there a page on the wiki with suggestion re: resolution and bitrate for encoding mpeg-2 for playing on different Rockbox targets? Search as I might, I can't find it.. |
| 03:03:29 | TFGBD | Ah, you mean for optimizations. I just meant in its current state.. |
| 03:03:31 | webguest79 | I hate to say this, but I really believe I followed everything perfectly. |
| 03:03:35 | TFGBD | What processor is it most optimized for? SHx ARM? |
| 03:04:27 | safetydan | TFGBD: ARM and Coldfire since they're the only ones with software decoding of mp3. |
| 03:05:06 | Llorean | PaulPosition: The mpegplayer plugin page. |
| 03:05:27 | PaulPosition | Llorean - Hmm, I scanned it real fast, perhaps *too* fast.. :) |
| 03:05:28 | PaulPosition | thanks |
| 03:05:56 | lostlogic | TFGBD: you understand that rockbox is an OS, not an application right? The only thing you can run on another host OS is the simulator and I sincerely doubt that'd run on less than a pentium 100 |
| 03:06:06 | advcomp2019 | webguest79, you said refurd.. are you sure it is a R series |
| 03:06:22 | TFGBD | Hum, then I guess its would not be as useful on 12 year old PDAs as I thought it would be... ;) |
| 03:06:27 | Llorean | PaulPosition: Well, they don't recommed bitrate, that's more up to "how much space do you want to use" than anything else. |
| 03:06:31 | lostlogic | TFGBD: if you wanted to run rockbox in a functional way on a limited power x86 computer, you'd need to _port it_ to operate the hardware of the x86 device, which would be a billion year project (roughly) |
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| 03:06:41 | TFGBD | If its not also an application then what is the simulator? |
| 03:06:41 | Llorean | Though the winff presets include either my personal preferences, or my guesses, at decent bitrates. |
| 03:06:54 | lostlogic | TFGBD: the simulator is an application |
| 03:07:12 | PaulPosition | Llorean - Ahh right, I forgot all about the lil' app you had around in the forums.. Gonna have a look at that, thanks again :D |
| 03:07:44 | TFGBD | I don't mean optimized for 86.. I just mean a dos version of the simulator. Its not useful enough to optimize it ;) |
| 03:07:45 | Llorean | TFGBD: The simulator though is not really designed as an application, so much as a "program that looks and in some ways acts like a hardware player", it's not an emulator but it's got a lot of quirks. |
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| 03:08:11 | Llorean | As well, it's built on SDL which means you'd have to deal with that in DOS or untie it. |
| 03:10:04 | lostlogic | Llorean: or run Linux on the 286 |
| 03:10:07 | TFGBD | I think there is SDL for dos. I thought there was already a dos simulator, though. Is that an old soundless one? |
| 03:10:18 | Llorean | lostlogic: He mentioned DOS first. |
| 03:10:30 | Llorean | lostlogic: As well, SDL seems like it'd be overhead you might want to avoid on a 286 |
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| 03:10:43 | Llorean | TFGBD: There's a *windows* simulator |
| 03:10:53 | lostlogic | Llorean: :) |
| 03:11:12 | TFGBD | I swear I saw it.. Must have imagined or dreamed it... ;P |
| 03:11:30 | Llorean | That being said, I still intend to convince somebody not-me to make an actual application port of Rockbox. |
| 03:11:55 | TFGBD | Anyway, it sounds like this Simulator is a lot like the "win32 simulators" that a lot of embedded OSes seem to come with.. |
| 03:12:03 | lostlogic | Llorean: it would be cool... we've got a lot of useful music player functionality, some of which even foobar2000 could learn from |
| 03:12:16 | lostlogic | TFGBD: that's basically what it is. |
| 03:12:20 | Llorean | lostlogic: And that *plenty* of linux apps could learn from |
| 03:12:23 | TFGBD | Symbian OS, (older WinCE), PalmOS and RiscOS come to mind... |
| 03:12:52 | ryanakca | Hmm... how long does it take, on average, to build the database for 330 songs? |
| 03:12:55 | Llorean | lostlogic: But the *big* benefit to me, is that once is has its own application-ness that opens up ground for porting to Palm, WinCE, GP32, and other targets where an application is more suited than an OS, but they're still portable. |
| 03:13:11 | Llorean | ryanakca: Depends on an awful lot of things. How long has it taken you? |
| 03:13:23 | lostlogic | Llorean: ewww, you just had to take a good idea and make it gross. |
| 03:13:34 | TFGBD | What is it that prevents the simulator from being useful as an app, though? platform specific interfaces to it so you can just use it to play audio rather than have the whole screen/gui? |
| 03:14:03 | lostlogic | TFGBD: it's quirky and lies to itself operating under false limitations of the target it's simulating and stuff |
| 03:14:09 | webguest79 | Its a refurb and its definitely a 250r −− due to the fact that it says 250r on the back, and it has the rhapsody functionality |
| 03:14:14 | TFGBD | Ah. |
| 03:14:22 | lostlogic | TFGBD: operates in a fake filesystem and stuff |
| 03:14:23 | Llorean | 32mb buffering craziness, keyboard-only interface, no menus/toolbars, etc. |
| 03:14:28 | webguest79 | I wish it wasn't... i might have had better luck |
| 03:14:34 | TFGBD | But wouldn't a WinCE port of it be possible in its current form as a simulator? |
| 03:14:45 | webguest79 | Any next steps? |
| 03:14:46 | Llorean | Possible yes. |
| 03:14:56 | TFGBD | Yeah, I can see the fake filesytem being annoying. if you have your music in \My Documnets or whatever.. ;) |
| 03:15:07 | Llorean | webguest79: Wait until someone is around who can tell you what that error message means, or post to the mailing list about it. |
| 03:15:22 | lostlogic | Llorean: I don't like the idea of rockbox trying to become everythign to everyone... I think we should stick to doing one thing well... DAPs |
| 03:15:24 | Llorean | lostlogic: Well, I want as-an-app for my PC and my Phone. |
| 03:15:36 | Llorean | But I agree, everything for everyone is bad. |
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| 03:16:19 | Llorean | But I can see some manner of wrapping the "Main" menu to generate standard Windowed app menu bars and just have the as-an-app be a gui wrapped around standard Rockbox functionality. |
| 03:16:36 | TFGBD | I was going to try compiling it with ARM WinCE GCC but need to learn GCC first... You think at least just compiling it in its current state for Win32 of another processor would at least be easy? |
| 03:16:50 | ryanakca | Llorean: it's been running about 15 minutes now |
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| 03:17:02 | Llorean | ryanakca: And how do you know it's still working? |
| 03:17:03 | safetydan | TFGBD: depends on if the libraries that the simulator use are ported to your target. |
| 03:17:09 | ryanakca | Llorean: I don't |
| 03:17:28 | Llorean | ryanakca: The disk-access icon, or LED depending on your player? |
| 03:17:40 | TFGBD | Its mainly SDL, no? Or do you mean all the different codecs? |
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| 03:18:45 | JdGordon | TFGBD: the part your need to port is all sdl |
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| 03:19:32 | ryanakca | Llorean: don't see any... it's been displaying "Building database...879hd" (newline) "found. Press <Prev> to return." |
| 03:19:40 | Llorean | lostlogic: I just think that a limited application form of it would be nice on other portable devices, and at least drive up developer interest in the non-hardware-specific parts of bug fixing. |
| 03:19:50 | TFGBD | Wait.. So thats all it really needs? |
| 03:20:06 | TFGBD | If so, then that is already there for CE on the sdl website... |
| 03:20:19 | lostlogic | Llorean: yeah, am torn. |
| 03:21:10 | JdGordon | TFGBD: yeah, you sholdnt have a problem compilling for CE if there is a sdl port already |
| 03:21:16 | Llorean | lostlogic: Then again, that's going to bring in a lot of people working in environments without constrained resources, and probably a lot more arguments about dynamic allocation. |
| 03:21:22 | saratoga | theres actually a port the sim to moto cell phones |
| 03:21:26 | JdGordon | you just need to choose the simulated target which would fit best |
| 03:21:29 | saratoga | might be worth looking at too |
| 03:22:14 | JdGordon | did that guy ever reelase any sources for us? |
| 03:22:19 | TFGBD | You mean a Java midlet? |
| 03:22:22 | saratoga | yes he did |
| 03:22:44 | TFGBD | Or is it running on the moto phone natively somehow? |
| 03:22:55 | saratoga | i invited him to come develop his port as an official rockbox project, but evidently hes in some remote part of the world at the moment where he has only infrequent internet access |
| 03:23:32 | saratoga | i'm hoping that he'll eventually become interested |
| 03:24:11 | TFGBD | Is there a download of this? |
| 03:24:59 | saratoga | yeah its on some moto fan site |
| 03:25:08 | saratoga | search the rockbox forums, theres a thread about it |
| 03:25:22 | TFGBD | So its a Java app? |
| 03:25:28 | saratoga | no |
| 03:25:32 | saratoga | rockbox is written in c |
| 03:25:52 | TFGBD | Then this motorola phone can run native apps? |
| 03:26:07 | saratoga | yes |
| 03:26:25 | TFGBD | Wait.. Its not a linux one. Is it? |
| 03:26:33 | TFGBD | Ah, found it. |
| 03:26:35 | TFGBD | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12403.0 |
| 03:28:11 | TFGBD | Wait.. That looks more like its a Linux PDA than a phone... |
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| 03:28:30 | TFGBD | http://www.osnews.com/story.php/12212/Review-The-E680i-Linux-Smartphone/ |
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| 03:30:13 | saratoga | we should offer that guy SVN hosting on rockbox.org, so we can at least keep tabs on his work |
| 03:31:18 | Llorean | And so somebody else can work on merging it if he won't. |
| 03:32:15 | TFGBD | So he modded it to at least look outside its own directory? |
| 03:34:27 | TFGBD | Looks to me like it just ported it to ARM Linux I guess. |
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| 03:37:28 | male | I want to strobe the backlight, but backlight fading interferes with this. Is there no API function to set the backlight absolutely on or off, or to at least query the values of the fade-in/fade-out duration so it can be temporarily disabled? |
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| 03:38:49 | male | The way I'm doing it is strobing on every wps redraw. Looks nice and organic, like a flickering florescent light. |
| 03:39:01 | male | But this only works when fading is disabled. |
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| 03:40:24 | lostlogic | male: I don't think there's an api available currently to bypass the fade, but it shouldn't be so hard for you to add one |
| 03:40:53 | male | lostlogic: Okay. I'll do that then. |
| 03:41:38 | lostlogic | male: if you can come up with other places than ... flickering the backlight ... where it would be useful, you might convince someone to commit it too :-P |
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| 03:42:35 | male | BTW, is the WPS supposed to update so much while paused? |
| 03:42:49 | male | The display is completely static. |
| 03:43:00 | lostlogic | if you have any scrolling text then it must |
| 03:43:12 | lostlogic | even if the text currently displayed is short e nough not to scroll |
| 03:43:18 | lostlogic | "must" being an exageration |
| 03:43:19 | lostlogic | does. |
| 03:43:30 | male | Ah.. Even if the text isn't actually long enough to scroll? |
| 03:43:33 | male | Hehe. Okay. That explains it. |
| 03:44:22 | male | Someone mentioned a patch to flash the backlight to the beat of the music, but I couldn't find such a patch anywhere. |
| 03:44:40 | male | I'd be interested to see how they handled fading. |
| 03:44:51 | lostlogic | it would be a reasonable optimization to make scrolls static if they aren't scrolling, but I don't know the GUI apis enough to do it. |
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| 03:46:23 | male | The weird thing is, when playing I get strobes of a longer period than when paused. |
| 03:46:36 | male | Which doesn't make much sense if it's the scrolling text. |
| 03:46:52 | lostlogic | mmmmmmmmmmm, that is odd. |
| 03:47:36 | male | But when paused I get a steady pulse... Probably 120hz or thereabouts. |
| 03:48:02 | male | Err. 120 bpm. |
| 03:48:31 | male | .5hz |
| 03:49:27 | lostlogic | 2hz |
| 03:49:52 | Llorean | 2hz seems like a pretty slow rate at which to redraw the screen, scrolling or no. |
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| 03:49:57 | male | You're right. |
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| 03:50:11 | male | Obviously I need more tea. |
| 03:50:45 | lostlogic | Llorean: not really... if nothing's changing, I'd expect it to be in that range to keep things like the time (in seconds) correct |
| 03:50:53 | lostlogic | what I _am_ surprised about is that it's slower during playback |
| 03:51:08 | Llorean | lostlogic: There's no seconds visible in the RTC. |
| 03:51:13 | male | Plus during playback it's eratic (because things ARE changing) |
| 03:51:26 | lostlogic | Llorean: ... there are on my wps??? |
| 03:51:35 | Llorean | Oh, WPS RTC. I was thinking status-bar RTC |
| 03:52:01 | lostlogic | male: yeah, that makes sense, but I'd expect the maximum gap between refreshes to be the same as during pause |
| 03:52:08 | male | Me too ;-) |
| 03:52:20 | male | Anyway, it doesn't really matter. |
| 03:52:23 | Llorean | I'd be surprised if there was anything in place to keep the seconds updating at an apparent 1/sec |
| 03:52:39 | Llorean | I know that progress through a song doesn't quite move at a consistent 1sec/sec |
| 03:53:44 | karashata | um, just something I noticed... |
| 03:54:06 | lostlogic | Llorean: I tried when I was tweaking RTC stuff years ago to make it consistent-ish but I also doubt that it is entirely so |
| 03:54:15 | karashata | the backlight turns on about 5 seconds before a track change on my H10 |
| 03:54:31 | Llorean | lostlogic: Ah, okay. |
| 03:54:36 | male | That's cool. |
| 03:54:37 | Llorean | karashata: "Caption Backlight: 5 seconds"? |
| 03:54:42 | karashata | oh |
| 03:54:54 | karashata | I didn't know that... |
| 03:54:57 | karashata | nvm theb |
| 03:54:58 | karashata | *then |
| 03:55:34 | karashata | so that's what enabling the caption backlight does... |
| 03:55:39 | male | I just want to be able to tell what's playing without having to muck around with the hold switch etc. |
| 03:55:47 | Llorean | karashata: The manual *should* describe it.... |
| 03:55:48 | male | Or leaving the backlight on constantly. |
| 03:56:13 | karashata | everything I know about how Rockbox works I learned by playing with it |
| 03:56:24 | male | Kind of like girls? |
| 03:56:26 | karashata | the manual is *way* too big to read through |
| 03:56:28 | Llorean | karashata: Well, the channel guidelines require you read the manual before asking questions. |
| 03:56:41 | karashata | sorry.. I'll remember that next time then |
| 03:56:45 | Llorean | The manual has a handy "table of contents" and most PDF viewers have handy "search" functions... |
| 03:56:55 | male | Burn. |
| 03:57:03 | * | karashata will keep that in mind... |
| 03:57:06 | Llorean | So for example, if you wanted to know what a setting did *before* turning it on, for example, you could type in the name of that option and see what came up... |
| 03:58:17 | male | So, for example, he could, for example, RTFM? |
| 03:59:08 | Llorean | male: Or at least start with reading the channel guidelines, since we do tell people to read them before speaking, and then follow the appropriate chain of "things to read" |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:18 | male | Shouldn't the manual come as an audiobook? |
| 04:01:01 | male | I'll stop now ;-) |
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| 04:02:54 | Llorean | Audiobooks are significantly harder to search in. ;) |
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| 04:09:32 | * | Mouser_X read the entire Gigabeat manual. |
| 04:09:39 | Mouser_X | It's not *that* big. |
| 04:10:05 | Mouser_X | Actually, it's a much easier read, than most of the manuals that come with bought-and-paid for products. |
| 04:10:39 | karashata | I suppose that's true... anyway... I'll just keep to myself for a bit and get my theme updates uploaded... |
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| 04:21:02 | Tdog | hey |
| 04:21:22 | Tdog | is there any1 here could answer me question |
| 04:21:36 | krazykit | http://biomoose.com/files/rockbox/wps/negicatcher.bmp - what else might one want on a wps? |
| 04:21:39 | DogBoy | we'll find out when you ask it |
| 04:21:41 | krazykit | Tdog, not if you don't ask it first |
| 04:21:42 | Llorean | Tdog: Depends on your question. |
| 04:21:59 | pyrosim | Tdog: Standard IRC Protocol; Never ask to ask, just ask. |
| 04:22:04 | Llorean | krazykit: Playlist position |
| 04:22:06 | Tdog | ok when i download a rockbox theme and it come to me as a .rockbox file |
| 04:22:21 | Tdog | should i just extract .rockbox into my already existing one |
| 04:22:26 | Llorean | Yes |
| 04:22:30 | Tdog | and im done |
| 04:22:33 | Llorean | Overwrite the existing one |
| 04:22:55 | Tdog | the existing one is my root system |
| 04:23:17 | Tdog | inside the file i downloaded is a few files like backdrop etc |
| 04:23:26 | | Part safetydan |
| 04:23:37 | Tdog | should i extract it into my backdrop file |
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| 04:23:57 | krazykit | Tdog, if you extract the zip to the root of your drive, everything should go where it is supposed to. |
| 04:24:05 | Tdog | ok |
| 04:24:07 | Tdog | thanks |
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| 04:28:27 | LinuxMafia | hi |
| 04:28:52 | LinuxMafia | where can i download the bootloader for e200? |
| 04:29:11 | LinuxMafia | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/linux64amd64/sansapatcher |
| 04:29:18 | LinuxMafia | does not work |
| 04:30:24 | safetydan | LinuxMafia: in what way does it not work? |
| 04:30:39 | LinuxMafia | safetydan, i click it |
| 04:30:41 | Llorean | There's no file there |
| 04:30:59 | Llorean | Then again, I'm not even sure there's supposed to be. |
| 04:31:14 | LinuxMafia | safetydan, ^^ |
| 04:31:39 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, i want to install the boot loader |
| 04:32:01 | Llorean | LinuxMafia: Then use the 32-bit one, or compile your own? |
| 04:32:20 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, i can use 32-bit? |
| 04:32:44 | Llorean | Isn't there a way to run 32-bit binaries on 64-bit linux? |
| 04:32:59 | safetydan | probably, but that's more of a Linux question |
| 04:33:41 | LinuxMafia | i did |
| 04:33:52 | LinuxMafia | [INFO] Bootloader installed successfully. |
| 04:34:00 | LinuxMafia | thanks |
| 04:34:06 | LinuxMafia | alot Llorean |
| 04:34:18 | LinuxMafia | thanks every one |
| 04:34:28 | safetydan | LinuxMafia: where did you find the link to the 64-bit version? |
| 04:35:15 | LinuxMafia | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 04:36:09 | safetydan | looks like we either have a manual bug or the file needs to be built and uploaded |
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| 04:36:22 | LinuxMafia | oh it works now |
| 04:36:27 | DogBoy | go LinuxMafia go |
| 04:36:33 | LinuxMafia | lol |
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| 04:36:41 | Llorean | safetydan: Probably built and uploaded |
| 04:36:42 | LinuxMafia | just need to install fonts |
| 04:37:03 | safetydan | Llorean, well it sounds like it might not even be needed if the 32 bit one runs on 64 bit linux |
| 04:37:28 | Llorean | safetydan: I think in 64-bit linux you have to have libraries installed specifically to allow 32-bit binaries to run. |
| 04:37:40 | Llorean | But I'm far, far, far, far from knowledgeable about that. |
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| 04:38:43 | safetydan | that makes two of us |
| 04:40:16 | Llorean | I have an AMD64 Linux machine, but it's serving a very limited purpose, so I haven't run into the question yet even |
| 04:40:30 | LinuxMafia | damn it changed the usb mode |
| 04:40:42 | LinuxMafia | now i dont know how to change it again |
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| 04:45:33 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, now i can not mount my sandisk |
| 04:45:49 | LinuxMafia | it dose not even show it in lsusb |
| 04:47:54 | Llorean | LinuxMafia: Are you booting into the original firmware for USB connection? |
| 04:48:20 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, no |
| 04:48:24 | Llorean | Well you must |
| 04:48:45 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, how can i boot it into original firmware |
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| 04:49:00 | DogBoy | hold down the left arrow key when powering it up LinuxMafia |
| 04:49:36 | DogBoy | continue to hold it till it starts booting the original firmware |
| 04:49:49 | LinuxMafia | oh |
| 04:49:51 | safetydan | LinuxMafia: you'll definitely want to read the manual before going much further |
| 04:49:54 | LinuxMafia | now it works |
| 04:50:06 | LinuxMafia | but |
| 04:50:14 | LinuxMafia | i am following |
| 04:50:15 | * | DogBoy needs to read the manual too |
| 04:50:31 | DogBoy | just the other day I discovered "resume playback" |
| 04:50:34 | DogBoy | lol |
| 04:50:57 | LinuxMafia | DogBoy, thanks |
| 04:51:05 | LinuxMafia | now i have to add sound |
| 04:51:09 | LinuxMafia | speach |
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| 04:53:57 | eigma | anyone know if any of the ARM targets use the DCC (Debug Communications Channel)? |
| 04:59:18 | JdGordon | hey eigma |
| 04:59:23 | eigma | hey |
| 04:59:23 | JdGordon | hows it going? |
| 04:59:26 | eigma | not bad |
| 04:59:39 | eigma | gonna try to put some time into the dsp image loader tonight |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:11 | JdGordon | cool :) good luck |
| 05:00:29 | eigma | thanks :) |
| 05:00:47 | LinuxMafia | DogBoy, you downloaded new fonts and themes? |
| 05:00:55 | eigma | first I want to try getting the DCC working.. it's like a console via JTAG.. much nicer than trying to read tiny font on a rotated screen |
| 05:01:04 | DogBoy | yes LinuxMafia |
| 05:01:31 | DogBoy | some theme with big album art that didn't look lame |
| 05:01:37 | LinuxMafia | DogBoy, so yours does not look like that ugly black and whitte |
| 05:01:43 | JdGordon | eigma: svn up... its working in landscape mode now |
| 05:01:50 | eigma | nice!! |
| 05:02:09 | LinuxMafia | DogBoy, i have to download too , bigger fonts and themes |
| 05:03:15 | psycho_maniac | i rean "make && make clean" on accident. did that remove the patches that i just put in? |
| 05:03:21 | Llorean | No. |
| 05:05:01 | psycho_maniac | but i have to rerun the make command? |
| 05:05:34 | krazykit | yes |
| 05:06:44 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:08:15 | psycho_maniac | lol so i basically just made the source and then removed it in one command. dang lol |
| 05:08:28 | Llorean | If you're using ccache at least, the next build should be quite fast |
| 05:10:03 | psycho_maniac | i dont think i am :( |
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| 05:12:41 | LinuxMafia | hum |
| 05:12:47 | LinuxMafia | it is funny |
| 05:13:24 | LinuxMafia | i dont see images |
| 05:14:26 | DogBoy | do you see sound |
| 05:15:15 | psycho_maniac | is there a way to turn ccache on? |
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| 05:15:27 | Llorean | It should just be used if installed |
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| 05:28:21 | Tdog | i have another question: On the Main Menu of Rockbox how do i change the icons |
| 05:28:29 | Tdog | and color of the icons etc |
| 05:28:50 | Mouser_X | Tdog: See the wiki CustomIcons |
| 05:28:57 | Mouser_X | (I think that's it.) |
| 05:28:58 | Tdog | in the pictures i see nice vibrant icons but in mine with the josh pod theme its dull |
| 05:29:00 | Tdog | o k |
| 05:29:02 | Tdog | ok |
| 05:29:06 | Tdog | thanks |
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| 05:31:42 | Tdog | i dont see a wiki customicons page |
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| 05:32:17 | Llorean | Iconsets |
| 05:32:54 | scorche | Tdog: the case matters |
| 05:34:26 | Tdog | Thank you |
| 05:34:34 | Llorean | IconSets, rather |
| 05:34:34 | Tdog | I found it. |
| 05:37:40 | psycho_maniac | or just press the search and the case wont matter. but using case will get you there faster. |
| 05:38:54 | JdGordon | any build server owners around? |
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| 05:40:38 | SeventyPercent | Hello there o.O;; |
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| 05:41:53 | SeventyPercent | Is there somone here who can help me boot my e250R into Manufacturers Mode? I can get it into Recovery Mode but I don't know how to get it into manufacturers. |
| 05:42:33 | JdGordon | why do you want manufac mode? |
| 05:42:44 | SeventyPercent | Put rockbox on my player |
| 05:43:05 | | Part ecow7 |
| 05:43:06 | SeventyPercent | to put* |
| 05:43:28 | JdGordon | turn on hold |
| 05:43:36 | JdGordon | hold the middle button and put the usb cable in |
| 05:43:52 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, why when i got to pictures it does not show the photo |
| 05:44:01 | SeventyPercent | Uhh.. that freezes up the player |
| 05:44:10 | LinuxMafia | it does not even show background pictures |
| 05:44:22 | Llorean | LinuxMafia: What exactly are you expecting? |
| 05:44:34 | scorche | SeventyPercent: in manufacturing mode, the screen is blank with teh ring lighted... |
| 05:44:36 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, to see a photo |
| 05:44:49 | Llorean | Did you click select on a jpeg image file? |
| 05:45:09 | SeventyPercent | Oh I wasn't aware of that. Thanks scorche. |
| 05:45:20 | SeventyPercent | And you too Jd |
| 05:45:20 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, i went to pictures and clicked the photo |
| 05:45:33 | Llorean | What do you mean "went to pictures"? |
| 05:45:38 | Llorean | There is no "pictures" option in Rockbox. |
| 05:45:54 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, files >>photo |
| 05:46:07 | Llorean | And are there .jpg or .jpeg files in the /photo folder? |
| 05:46:38 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, there are original pictures |
| 05:46:47 | Llorean | I don't know what that means. |
| 05:46:56 | Llorean | I asked a very specific, yes/no question. |
| 05:47:03 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, and also i added some themes |
| 05:47:19 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, it does not show any picture at all |
| 05:47:23 | SeventyPercent | While in manufac. mode I install it as new hardware with the downloaded drivers? |
| 05:47:42 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, i did not check it they are .jpeg |
| 05:47:49 | Llorean | LinuxMafia: Themes should not put any files in a /photos folder... |
| 05:48:02 | Llorean | LinuxMafia: It would help you a LOT to read the manual and learn how things are supposed to work... |
| 05:48:05 | PaulPosition | Maybe the sandisk software converts photo like it converts media files? |
| 05:48:28 | SeventyPercent | Oh yeah use the Sansa Media Converter |
| 05:48:28 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=160x128x16 |
| 05:48:38 | LinuxMafia | i use linux |
| 05:49:01 | LinuxMafia | humm |
| 05:49:10 | Llorean | LinuxMafia: I did not ask for that link. I told you specifically that themes should not put files in the /photos folder. |
| 05:49:19 | PaulPosition | The backdrops in the themes are bitmap (.bmp) and are stored in .rockbox/backdrops... |
| 05:49:24 | LinuxMafia | let me check |
| 05:49:27 | LinuxMafia | just a sec |
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| 05:51:13 | PaulPosition | seventypercent - Errr, I was thinking he (linuxmafia) had uploaded pics through through the sansa software... and that they may NOT be jpegs. |
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| 05:52:02 | LinuxMafia | PaulPosition, no i had some oringinal photos on that sansa when i bought it |
| 05:52:34 | LinuxMafia | and they are bmp |
| 05:52:44 | LinuxMafia | no jpg |
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| 05:59:48 | LinuxMafia | hum |
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| 06:00:02 | Llorean | JdGordon: Oddly enough, what he reported is... very not what the button mapping is supposed to do. |
| 06:00:12 | JdGordon | oh? |
| 06:00:20 | JdGordon | didnt i read i properly? |
| 06:00:25 | Llorean | Well |
| 06:00:33 | Llorean | He said the context menu button now does previous track or something? |
| 06:00:38 | Llorean | I think it *is* a case of him not reading the menu |
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| 06:00:41 | Llorean | But I'm not sure. |
| 06:00:46 | Llorean | His thing was kinda fuzzy |
| 06:01:08 | SeventyPercent | Okay upon connecing in manufacturers mode... nothing o.o;; I got an error that said the usb device malfunctioned and could not start. |
| 06:02:55 | SeventyPercent | According to the manual I was to be asked to locate some drivers that I had downloaded.. but I had no such prompt =| |
| 06:08:37 | LinuxMafia | damn |
| 06:08:44 | LinuxMafia | my sansa stuck |
| 06:08:53 | LinuxMafia | it was turning off |
| 06:08:58 | LinuxMafia | now it stuck |
| 06:09:01 | LinuxMafia | lights on |
| 06:09:10 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, the manual should tell you how to reset the device |
| 06:09:23 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, also, please keep in mind the enter key is not the same thing as the spacebar. |
| 06:09:48 | SeventyPercent | linux hold power button 15 seconds+ |
| 06:09:50 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, i just bought it |
| 06:10:03 | LinuxMafia | SeventyPercent, thanks |
| 06:10:09 | LinuxMafia | alot |
| 06:10:11 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, which has nothing to do with reading the manual. |
| 06:10:19 | LinuxMafia | oh it worked |
| 06:10:49 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, i read the part for themes for example |
| 06:11:05 | LinuxMafia | but i can not see the background pic |
| 06:11:17 | SeventyPercent | Uhh... any help? I put my e250R in manufac. mode and it's connected.. but nothings happening. Manual said it should ask me for drivers. |
| 06:12:32 | DogBoy | the r model is supported now? |
| 06:12:56 | alienbiker99 | its been supported DogBoy |
| 06:12:58 | Mouser_X | Has been for awhile as I understand it. |
| 06:13:20 | DogBoy | awhile eh |
| 06:13:40 | DogBoy | it wasn't when I installed on mine, guess it's been more than awhile since I've done that |
| 06:14:04 | SeventyPercent | Windows is reading my sansa in manufac. mode as a malfunctioning device x.X;; |
| 06:14:08 | krazykit | SeventyPercent, there may be a way to force windows to use a certain driver, but i don't know any details. i seem to recall a similar problem on the forums, have you checked there? |
| 06:14:54 | scorche | DogBoy: since the 2nd of sept |
| 06:15:21 | DogBoy | I guess we know what awhile means now |
| 06:15:26 | DogBoy | :-) |
| 06:15:41 | SeventyPercent | I checked once on finding manufacturing mode; Brb I'll search up the malfunctioning on the forums |
| 06:16:13 | SeventyPercent | [Btw, I havn't gotten a confirmation email and it's been 2 hours XD] |
| 06:16:39 | krazykit | SeventyPercent, check your spam folder |
| 06:17:27 | SeventyPercent | krazykit, no new spam, no new inbox, no new other |
| 06:17:39 | DogBoy | no new spam? |
| 06:17:41 | DogBoy | heh |
| 06:18:21 | PaulPosition | Ermm... I don't have an E200, but why would you need to put it in manufacturing mode to install?! Isn't it supposed to be done straight in MSC mode (ie, "usb disk mode") ??? |
| 06:18:28 | Llorean | SeventyPercent: What's your forum screenname? |
| 06:18:31 | PaulPosition | (That's what the manual says, anyway...) |
| 06:18:51 | Llorean | PaulPosition: e200R is different |
| 06:18:51 | krazykit | PaulPosition, e200r. it's different. |
| 06:19:00 | PaulPosition | ahhh.. |
| 06:19:17 | PaulPosition | I see. |
| 06:20:31 | psycho_maniac | is there any working themes that work with the current build for rockbox besides the one in the patch tracker? |
| 06:20:37 | SeventyPercent | Llorean, 70PercentOff |
| 06:21:52 | Llorean | SeventyPercent: Your account is activated. Remember to read the guidelines *before* I have to yell at you for not doing it. :-P |
| 06:22:06 | krazykit | psycho_maniac, themes with AA, you mean? should be any of them not requiring other patches. |
| 06:22:14 | Llorean | psycho_maniac: There are plenty of working themes. It shouldn't have broken ANY themes that already worked with SVN Rockbox... |
| 06:22:55 | psycho_maniac | wow i really screwed up that sentence. yes i ment with AA. |
| 06:23:00 | SeventyPercent | Llorean, Lol thanks. I'll give em a glance but it's pretty much be polite and others will respond in kind right? |
| 06:23:13 | PaulPosition | Psychomaniac - Just look at the themes, description says if it needs any other patch than AA.. All those that requested ONLY AA are good for svn builds. |
| 06:23:46 | Llorean | SeventyPercent: And read the manual first, make sure you post in the right section (there are POSTING IN THIS FORUM guides) and don't post multiple entries in a row. |
| 06:23:54 | PaulPosition | psychomaniac - there are a few more at http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ too |
| 06:24:39 | psycho_maniac | great. i think im back down to only one patch now. |
| 06:25:09 | SeventyPercent | Llorean - heh don't worry. I'm a member of many forums. ^^ |
| 06:29:17 | Llorean | People often are surprised that we actually expect people to know our guidelines, or more specifically, that we enforce them fairly regularly |
| 06:31:35 | SeventyPercent | If I'm gonna go spam some idiocy I'll go to barrens chat instead of you forum. |
| 06:31:45 | SeventyPercent | your* |
| 06:32:16 | PaulPosition | barrens'chat? |
| 06:32:23 | PaulPosition | Oh... *that* barren's chat. |
| 06:32:26 | SeventyPercent | WoW joke |
| 06:32:30 | SeventyPercent | xD |
| 06:32:40 | LinuxMafia | humm |
| 06:32:52 | LinuxMafia | why all themes come in bmp files |
| 06:33:03 | LinuxMafia | can not rockbox display bmp files? |
| 06:33:08 | PaulPosition | Because they need no decompression. |
| 06:33:13 | SeventyPercent | because that is what's supported im risking to say |
| 06:34:27 | PaulPosition | Unless I'm sadly mistaken : It shows bitmaps alright, it just doesn't RESIZE them. Which the Jpeg viewer does. That might be why it wouldn't show your .bmp photos... (??) |
| 06:34:41 | male | It does seem a little odd that no one has written a png decoder yet. |
| 06:35:01 | PaulPosition | male - I guess no one wants to deal with alpha transparencies.. (??) |
| 06:35:19 | male | Haha. Perhaps. |
| 06:35:29 | psycho_maniac | am i correct in saying that i needed the scrolling margins patch to view some themes but now i dont due to that the left scrolling margins patch was comitted? |
| 06:35:52 | LinuxMafia | so what i have to do to use the themes? |
| 06:36:02 | krazykit | psycho_maniac, not if they use the right-hand margin tags |
| 06:36:03 | SeventyPercent | Bah I hate dealing with those >.> I'm a small game developer and telling a graphics card how to display an alpha channel is like getting a cat to walk backwards. |
| 06:36:07 | Llorean | LinuxMafia: What part of "read the manual" is so confusing? |
| 06:36:09 | LinuxMafia | convert all bmp's to .jpg |
| 06:36:13 | PaulPosition | psycho-maniac - I couldn't say for sure.. I think you're wrong, however, as the left-margin is only a left-margin so the tag's format would be pretty different. |
| 06:36:24 | pyrosim | Is it possible to edit mp3 metadata from inside rockbox? |
| 06:36:31 | Llorean | pyrosim: Not without a patch |
| 06:36:41 | pyrosim | Mm, okay |
| 06:36:50 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, i am downloading themes unzip them and they dont show |
| 06:37:04 | pyrosim | I thought I saw it in the documentation, but couldn't find it again after I finished the install... |
| 06:37:11 | Llorean | LinuxMafia: Read the manual |
| 06:37:19 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, which part ? |
| 06:37:21 | Llorean | Don't just try guessing things, then complain when they don't work. |
| 06:37:21 | SeventyPercent | I was unable to find any topics relating to my problem of my device being read as a malfunctioning device |
| 06:37:22 | pyrosim | Must've been too heavy on the mushrooms |
| 06:37:32 | Llorean | LinuxMafia: There's a table of contents? Look at it... look for themes... |
| 06:38:15 | DogBoy | LinuxMafia, you have to select the theme in order for it to work |
| 06:38:31 | DogBoy | it's not enough to just throw it on there |
| 06:38:32 | Llorean | DogBoy: Please don't encourage him to violate the channel guidelines. |
| 06:38:40 | Llorean | He really needs to learn to look things up before asking. |
| 06:38:41 | psycho_maniac | ill just wait to see if people make/fix themes for the new applied patches and just run the wheel scrolling patch. |
| 06:38:49 | LinuxMafia | DogBoy, i select |
| 06:38:53 | DogBoy | yea true |
| 06:39:01 | LinuxMafia | DogBoy, the thing is i dont see the background |
| 06:39:02 | DogBoy | he's excited like a kid at xmas though |
| 06:39:18 | LinuxMafia | cause all pics are .bmp |
| 06:39:26 | Llorean | LinuxMafia: Rockbox can use .bmp files in themes... |
| 06:39:33 | lostlogic | do build servers need a new cross compiler for Karl's change? |
| 06:39:47 | Llorean | lostlogic: Is m:robe built on the build servers? |
| 06:40:05 | lostlogic | it's on the build table |
| 06:40:08 | lostlogic | so... yes? |
| 06:40:16 | lostlogic | and his change caused a gob of errors in the most recent build... |
| 06:40:16 | psycho_maniac | i noticed on my ipod video that the backlight flickers. is that supposed to happen? ie: goes from a little dim to very bright back to the normal setting i have. |
| 06:40:22 | lostlogic | so I'm guessing we do need a new CC on all build servers |
| 06:40:29 | Llorean | lostlogic: Then yeah |
| 06:40:44 | SeventyPercent | I put hold on, press and hold the middle button, plug in my usb, let go of the button after 15 seconds, and then... where it says im to be asked for a drivers location, nada. |
| 06:41:10 | Llorean | SeventyPercent: Does your device manager show an unknown hardware device? |
| 06:42:42 | SeventyPercent | It shows a USB Mass Storage Device |
| 06:43:02 | SeventyPercent | Im assuming that is the sansa seeing as I don't have any other such devices connected. |
| 06:43:23 | Llorean | Then are you sure you're in manufacturing mode? |
| 06:43:26 | Llorean | There's nothing on the screen? |
| 06:43:36 | SeventyPercent | Nothing, the ring is lit. |
| 06:43:57 | Llorean | It shouldn't show up as an MSD like that. |
| 06:43:58 | SeventyPercent | i had the button depressed until i heard the 'usb connection' sound from windows. |
| 06:45:27 | SeventyPercent | Furthermore.. I must remove the battery momentarily to shut it off again |
| 06:45:41 | DogBoy | remove battery? |
| 06:45:56 | JdGordon | apart from showing up as msd that definatly sound slike manufac |
| 06:46:25 | SeventyPercent | It stays with a blank screen and ring lit and its nonresponsive to anything I do except the battery removal |
| 06:48:32 | Llorean | 15 seconds on the power button should still shut it down |
| 06:48:35 | Llorean | If unplugged from the PC |
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| 06:49:26 | SeventyPercent | does the connection setting in Mode of the players menu have anything to do with this? or does it have no effect on the matter |
| 06:50:24 | SeventyPercent | I'll read off the usb connections to see if its something else |
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| 06:51:27 | Mouser_X | jhMikeS: In the logs, you said (IIUC) that Mpegplayer couldn't play files that had <some error (I forgot which one)>. Every video I've put into Mpegplayer has worked for me. There's a few (3 or 4 out of hundreds) that the audio cuts out on, very late into the video, but other than that, they all worked. |
| 06:52:09 | Mouser_X | And, now that Mpegplayer has the ability to seek to a location, I can seek to where the audio cutout, and it works if I seek to that location. |
| 06:52:26 | SeventyPercent | ATI Remote Wonder Controller; Generic USB Hub; Intel(R) 82801AA USB Universal Host Controller; USB Composite Device;(It's icon has an !) USB Mass Storage Device; USB Printing Support; USB Root Hub |
| 06:52:54 | SeventyPercent | MSD device has the ! |
| 06:53:20 | Mouser_X | jhMikeS: Note - many of my videos have said something about some error, but they still play. |
| 06:56:32 | SeventyPercent | Okay upon right clicking the MSD in the usb section in device manager and telling it to update to the driver i downloaded, it now reads as a seperate section under LibUSB-Win32 Devices... Am I on track? |
| 06:56:59 | PaulPosition | ... ? |
| 06:57:24 | SeventyPercent | -dances- Thanks for the help I kinda figured it out |
| 06:57:26 | PaulPosition | Try the sansapatcher tool and see. |
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| 06:59:25 | SeventyPercent | Firmware unlocked; proceed to step 2 |
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| 07:01:32 | SeventyPercent | I'll make a post concerning nothing happening upon entering manufacturing mode and being connected |
| 07:01:37 | SeventyPercent | and my fix |
| 07:02:07 | ddalton | aliask: around? |
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| 07:11:08 | SeventyPercent | crap =.= brb checking forums |
| 07:11:15 | SeventyPercent | but i got rockbox bootloader issues now |
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| 07:38:37 | jhMikeS | Mouser_X: the SVN parser can fail to resync and I do have a number of clips that utterly fail to play with the SVN version. I changed it to just resync to the start codes and it will just play through the errors without complaint. If it's bad enough, you'll get a glitch but it will just continue. |
| 07:42:00 | Mouser_X | jhMikeS: I'm sure I'm misunderstanding you, but this means what, in comparision to the current Mpegplayer? That it will have better error handling? If the video is faulty, that it'll play regardless? As I said, it's pretty rare that I've run into a problem. However, I'm all for an improved version. |
| 07:43:11 | Mouser_X | Cleanup, efficiency, better compatibility. Those are all good things, and it sounds like that's what you're shooting for, more or less. Basically, I don't understand what's wrong with the current version. |
| 07:43:24 | jhMikeS | yeah, that's the idea...even if you scrable the packet order around. Not much is needed to make it robust. |
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| 07:45:36 | jhMikeS | the packet reader has no sync mode basically to put itself back in sync. right now it's it may or may not but it's been changed so that if it doesn't find sync, the data could no longer be considered valid mpeg. |
| 07:46:40 | Mouser_X | Ah. So, in a manner of speaking, it's "magic" or "somewhat lucky" that it's working as well as it is right now, then? |
| 07:47:16 | jhMikeS | yeah, right now some luck is needed if any errors exist. |
| 07:49:26 | eigma | jhMikeS: ever heard of TI's HPIB (Host Port Interface Bridge) locking up on accesses of > 16-bits (like inside the brust parts of a memcpy for example) |
| 07:49:49 | jhMikeS | Mouser_X: basically, if an error happens, the reader is supposed to search for 00 00 01 in an exhaustive manner (byte-wise) |
| 07:51:13 | jhMikeS | eigma: no. this is for TMS320? since I have no such device, I've not gotten much into the details of it. |
| 07:51:23 | eigma | okay, thanks |
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| 07:52:35 | Mouser_X | jhMikeS: Thanks for the clarification. Due to my lack of understanding, I couldn't quite understand what you were doing, or why it was needed. Good luck. |
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| 07:53:36 | SeventyPercent | ... i accidentally deleted OF.mi4 out of the sytem and rockbox didnt work in the first place.. now it wont be read by the pc.. any help? |
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| 07:57:20 | jhMikeS | SeventyPercent: The recover procedure is simple and outlined in the Wiki. Follow it to the letter and it should get it working again. |
| 07:57:44 | SeventyPercent | jhMikS mmkay thankyou |
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| 08:10:24 | psycho_maniac | oh snap just got a data abort screen :S |
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| 08:12:56 | * | amiconn_ wonders about kkurbjun's last commit |
| 08:13:41 | amiconn_ | Why even care about cpu optimisation (and hence cause a red build) when it doesn't even work on target? |
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| 08:25:32 | eigma | amiconn: from my side, it's nice to be able to use the BKPT instruction |
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| 08:37:21 | amiconn_ | eigma: That doesn't require setting the cpu for gcc... |
| 08:37:40 | eigma | afaik, it does unless you want to do ".emit"'s |
| 08:38:11 | amiconn_ | hmm? |
| 08:38:24 | amiconn_ | bkpt is an assembler instruction, isn't it? |
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| 08:38:47 | eigma | -mcpu=arm9tdmi doesn't support asm("BKPT"). -mcpu=arm926ej-s does. |
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| 08:39:44 | amiconn_ | Who says that we can't pass *different* cpu options to gas and gcc? |
| 08:39:57 | amiconn_ | We do this for ages now for coldfire |
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| 08:40:38 | eigma | fine by me.. really, even hardcoding the opcodes is more or less fine by me. I think actually maybe you should be talking to kkurbjun directly |
| 08:40:57 | amiconn | That's because we need to tell gcc we have mcf5249, otherwise it would refuse some register names we need. But gcc doesn't know the 5249 at all, so we compile for the 5206e |
| 08:41:18 | eigma | I see |
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| 08:51:17 | SeventyPercent | I need some help.. I'm restoring my e250R, and unfortunately when i connect the USB cable in recovery mode, windows detects it.. but theres no recovery drive appearing and its not showing as a MSD |
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| 08:53:59 | SeventyPercent | never mind.. i uninstalled the Manufac. Mode drivers from my device manager and the recovery drive is back |
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| 08:59:12 | mitch04 | hello |
| 08:59:13 | mitch04 | anyone here |
| 08:59:50 | mitch04 | woho creative zen vision m cracked firmware |
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| 09:11:51 | SeventyPercent | Okay.. I need some more help. I've started over by restoring my sansaR back to the original firmware and such; and reinstalled rockbox; now I get this: Rockbox boot loader; version: 4.6; sandisk sansa e200; partition 0: 0x06 |
| 09:12:19 | SeventyPercent | 1896mb; partition 1: 0x84 20mb |
| 09:12:56 | SeventyPercent | loading rockbox...; cant load rockbox.mi4: file not found |
| 09:13:22 | SeventyPercent | cant load rockbox.e200: file not found |
| 09:13:27 | linuxstb | That means you didn't unzip rockbox.zip to your Sansa |
| 09:13:40 | linuxstb | You now need to start the original firmware, and do that. |
| 09:13:53 | SeventyPercent | I see thankyou |
| 09:14:02 | SeventyPercent | I hold left while booting, correct? |
| 09:14:32 | linuxstb | I think so, or just turn your Sansa off, and turn it on by inserting the USB cable. The bootloader should then detect the USB cable and start the OF. |
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| 09:16:15 | SeventyPercent | Oh wow I got so caught up in attempting to unlock the firmware I forgot about the rockbox zip file completely .. =.= |
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| 09:17:42 | * | GodEater wonders why SeventyPercent didn't use rbutil |
| 09:18:05 | pixelma | does it handle the e200r? |
| 09:18:18 | SeventyPercent | It said manual install has a higher rate of success |
| 09:18:32 | SeventyPercent | im usually pretty tech. savvy so i figured I'd give it a shot |
| 09:18:49 | GodEater | oh silly me - I didn't read that it was an R. |
| 09:18:53 | * | GodEater goes back to his corner |
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| 09:19:06 | * | SeventyPercent lols |
| 09:19:15 | GodEater | nothing to see here, move along. |
| 09:19:37 | SeventyPercent | Nothing to see?! I want to see you eat Thor or something o.o -watches intently- |
| 09:20:32 | GodEater | I already ate this morning |
| 09:20:39 | GodEater | Shiva-porridge |
| 09:21:25 | SeventyPercent | Hahah that made me laugh. Got msn or something? |
| 09:22:02 | GodEater | no |
| 09:23:12 | * | SeventyPercent dances like a giddied idiot over Rockbox working!! |
| 09:26:07 | SeventyPercent | How does one get the games to work? |
| 09:26:42 | pixelma | by reading the manual ;) |
| 09:27:19 | SeventyPercent | ouch xD. I felt that one. |
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| 09:34:01 | Casainho | Good morning to all :-) |
| 09:34:29 | Bagder | so we need all build servers to get updated before we can provide fine mrobe zips |
| 09:34:48 | Casainho | I need a favor - I would like to edit TWiki but I don't belong to TWikiUsersGroup... |
| 09:34:59 | Casainho | can someone add me to the list??? |
| 09:35:17 | Casainho | my name there is: JorgePinto |
| 09:36:16 | Bagder | done |
| 09:37:46 | linuxstb | Bagder: Mine is done... |
| 09:39:46 | Casainho | Bagder: Thanks :-) ;-) |
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| 09:40:21 | Casainho | Bagder: and about a section in forum? for "RockBox Player"? |
| 09:40:37 | Casainho | or is to soon for that...? :-) |
| 09:40:49 | Bagder | seems very premature |
| 09:40:53 | Bagder | and btw |
| 09:40:59 | Bagder | you won't reach most devs in the forums |
| 09:41:05 | Bagder | they're here or on the mailing list |
| 09:42:01 | GodEater | I updated my build env about a week ago |
| 09:42:03 | Casainho | okok, I will join mailing list after :-) |
| 09:42:10 | GodEater | would that have pulled in the multilib stuff ? |
| 09:42:13 | linuxstb | Casainho: Have you seen this thread? It's probably worth posting there to try and attract the other people who have shown an interest in building hardware for Rockbox. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6751.0 |
| 09:42:18 | GodEater | or how can I tell ? |
| 09:42:31 | Bagder | GodEater: no, the new patch is dated nov 10 |
| 09:42:42 | linuxstb | GodEater: Look in /usr/local/arm-elf/lib/gcc/4.0.3/ - if you see dirs like armv4, armv5, then you're out of date and should re-run |
| 09:42:44 | Bagder | but possibly we should make the patch change the version string or something |
| 09:43:04 | Casainho | linuxstb: Ok, I will read :-) |
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| 09:43:25 | linuxstb | GodEater: ^that dir is slightly wrong, but I'm sure you'll find it... |
| 09:43:41 | GodEater | armv4t armv5te armv6 <−− in mine |
| 09:43:55 | linuxstb | Yes, that was v1 of my patch. The current one is v2. |
| 09:44:01 | GodEater | ok |
| 09:44:04 | GodEater | I'll rerun it |
| 09:44:26 | Bagder | linuxstb: so what about a v3 that also changes the version string? |
| 09:44:35 | Bagder | so that we can easily detect if it is applied |
| 09:44:53 | linuxstb | I can't look at it now. Maybe this evening, unless you can do it. |
| 09:45:17 | linuxstb | Although we're not really changing gcc itself, just which multilibs are built with it... |
| 09:45:18 | GodEater | thought you didn't start work till 10? ;) |
| 09:45:24 | linuxstb | Busy day today... ;) |
| 09:45:27 | GodEater | hehe |
| 09:46:17 | GodEater | I assume I only need to re-run the arm bit ? |
| 09:46:20 | Bagder | right, let's ignore the version string and just have everyone update the compilers |
| 09:46:24 | linuxstb | GodEater: Yes |
| 09:47:02 | * | GodEater starts updating |
| 09:47:29 | * | Bagder joins the race |
| 09:47:36 | * | GodEater suspects Bagder will win |
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| 09:47:53 | * | linuxstb commits something to slow down the build server... |
| 09:48:43 | * | Bagder does it on three machines |
| 09:49:41 | * | GodEater wonders how much longer his poor pc at home will live for |
| 09:49:42 | Casainho | linuxstb: Ok, I did read quickly... so, no results of that initiative? that guy started or not making the player? |
| 09:51:14 | amiconn | Bagder: Is there some instruction how to do it manually? |
| 09:51:22 | * | amiconn doesn't want to use rockboxdev.sh |
| 09:51:32 | GodEater | why not? |
| 09:51:34 | Bagder | CrossCompiler still works |
| 09:51:42 | Bagder | just unpack the sources, apply the patch, then go |
| 09:51:47 | amiconn | I want to specify the installation path myself |
| 09:52:02 | Bagder | you can edit the path at the top of rockboxdev.sh |
| 09:52:11 | amiconn | And I build under user, then 'make install' as root |
| 09:52:42 | Bagder | comment out the make installs, or make them prefixed with sudo or something |
| 09:53:03 | Bagder | hm, comment out doesn't really work of course... |
| 09:53:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: The patch to apply to gcc (no need to rebuild binutils) is http://www.rockbox.org/gcc/rockbox-multilibs-arm-elf-gcc-4.0.3.diff |
| 09:53:54 | linuxstb | You then just build as normal. |
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| 09:55:18 | linuxstb | Casainho: I don't know anything that isn't posted in that thread. |
| 09:57:58 | amiconn | Any special reason why we're not going to 4.0.4? |
| 09:58:18 | Bagder | minimum change? |
| 09:58:43 | amiconn | Just going to the latest of a series sounds like a good idea to me |
| 09:59:04 | amiconn | A new series might cause problems, hence I didn't suggest that |
| 09:59:12 | * | markun notices a progress bar while deleting in rockbox! |
| 09:59:16 | markun | when was that added? |
| 09:59:17 | * | GodEater was reading in this month's "Linux Journal" that GCC 3.x is still considered to produce "better code" - although the definition of what that constitutes was left a little vague |
| 09:59:38 | Bagder | my first run is done |
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| 10:00:14 | linuxstb | GodEater: Presumably that was x86 as well? |
| 10:00:21 | GodEater | linuxstb: I believe so yes |
| 10:00:39 | GodEater | it also stated that gcc 4.x isn't liked on ARM and PARISC arch's though |
| 10:00:53 | GodEater | but obvisouly this was only for building linux kernels |
| 10:00:56 | GodEater | hmm |
| 10:01:01 | GodEater | my first run failed |
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| 10:01:34 | pixelma | markun: not a real progressbar but it's been there for a while already |
| 10:02:08 | Bagder | second server done |
| 10:02:12 | amiconn | linuxstb: I think the arm multilibs patch and the sh gcc fix could be combined, and then named "rockbox patch #2" |
| 10:02:30 | amiconn | configure could check this |
| 10:03:25 | Bagder | third srever done |
| 10:04:24 | GodEater | Bagder: show off :) |
| 10:04:28 | Bagder | :-P |
| 10:04:50 | * | GodEater had to start again |
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| 10:05:52 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm not sure - what if we want to use different versions of gcc for SH and ARM again in the future? |
| 10:06:06 | amiconn | Then the patch could still be named rockbox patch #2 |
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| 10:06:25 | amiconn | ...and combine everything we need to patch in gcc for our target archs |
| 10:07:56 | amiconn | If we need to patch some additional thing, we would increase our patch number |
| 10:08:30 | Bagder | yes, it could also just be name. "Rockbox patch multilib" or similar |
| 10:09:14 | amiconn | A name wouldn't be wise if we want to combine our patches... |
| 10:09:48 | Casainho | bye bye - I will be in TWiki and foruns |
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| 10:10:18 | Bagder | well combining won't happen by itself anyway |
| 10:10:27 | Bagder | not if two patches changes the same version string |
| 10:10:55 | amiconn | Hence I would want *one* patch (per gcc version) that combines all necessary patches |
| 10:11:02 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:11:17 | Bagder | (and I would prefer those patches to be in svn rather than on the web site) |
| 10:11:46 | amiconn | And the patch number should be consistent across gcc versions, so it would be easy to see if a specific gcc has everything we need |
| 10:12:17 | amiconn | Multilib gcc is building, btw |
| 10:14:21 | GodEater | all done here |
| 10:15:34 | * | GodEater checks /usr/local/arm-elf/lib/gcc/4.0.3/ to make sure it's worked properly |
| 10:17:11 | amiconn | ...and installed |
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| 10:20:59 | * | amiconn tries an mrobe build |
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| 10:23:35 | amiconn | It errors out.. but with a different problem than what the build table shows (and what happens when multilibs aren't there) |
| 10:24:35 | amiconn | Undefined symbols and multiple symbol definitions... in rockbox code, not in the libs |
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| 10:26:02 | amiconn | http://pastebin.ca/771863 |
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| 10:30:50 | * | linuxstb wonders why he received a Google SoC T-Shirt in the post this morning... |
| 10:32:07 | linuxstb | amiconn: I assume it was a clean build directory? |
| 10:32:13 | amiconn | yeps |
| 10:32:30 | * | linuxstb tries an mrobe build |
| 10:33:56 | linuxstb | Seems to be fine - it's compiling codecs now... |
| 10:34:03 | amiconn | eh? |
| 10:34:17 | linuxstb | Are you on 64-bit? |
| 10:34:21 | amiconn | yes |
| 10:35:44 | linuxstb | Does it work if you change -mcpu back to arm9tdmi? You can change it in the Makefile in your build directory. |
| 10:36:56 | * | amiconn fires up vmware to try 32 bit |
| 10:36:59 | markun | linuxstb: I didn't even get one (yet?) |
| 10:37:39 | linuxstb | markun: It's a mystery to me... My only contact with google was the initial mentor registration. |
| 10:47:47 | GodEater | mrobe build worked fine here too |
| 10:48:16 | linuxstb | Let's hope it's not a 64-bit gcc bug... |
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| 10:51:13 | Casainho | hello again! |
| 10:51:39 | Casainho | I had started a page on wiki of RB about Free/open hardware player for RB |
| 10:51:41 | Casainho | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockBoxPlayer |
| 10:51:53 | Casainho | please contribute with ideas :-) |
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| 11:03:20 | Bagder | I see no point in just adding random ideas |
| 11:03:38 | Bagder | "easily assembled by humans" is actually very silly |
| 11:03:42 | preglow | linuxstb: perhaps they've done some undercover investigation :V |
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| 11:08:28 | Gremlin | hey guys is it easy or possible to install rockbox on a 30gb video ipod via os x leopard? |
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| 11:12:45 | SeventyPercent | I've returned, with a strange error x.x |
| 11:13:49 | SeventyPercent | I was listening to music and playing various games when I tried to play Maze; Game started for a fraction of a second then music stopped; Now this is displayed: Undefined instruction at 01F80618 (9) |
| 11:14:35 | linuxstb | Gremlin: Yes, the manual has install instructions, but I don't know for sure that they specifically work on Leopard (they work on Tiger). |
| 11:15:02 | SeventyPercent | oh oops (0)** not (9)* |
| 11:15:14 | linuxstb | Gremlin: But the main problem for Mac users is that you'll need to convert your ipod to FAT32 - I assume your ipod is currently HFS (aka a MacPod). |
| 11:15:41 | Gremlin | cheers man, no its fat32 |
| 11:15:49 | linuxstb | Then you're good to go... |
| 11:16:00 | Gremlin | cool thanks for your help, ill give it a shot |
| 11:16:22 | linuxstb | Gremlin: Can I ask you a quick question - does your ipod always take a long time to mount when you plug it in to your Mac? |
| 11:16:36 | SeventyPercent | I'm back to bed just thought i'd tell you about the error |
| 11:16:45 | SeventyPercent | Seeya ppl |
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| 11:17:06 | Gremlin | not usually just a normal time really |
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| 11:17:37 | linuxstb | What's "normal" for you? It usually takes at least a minute for me, which I wouldn't call normal... |
| 11:18:14 | Gremlin | i just tried it then, about 5 seconds |
| 11:18:43 | Gremlin | thats on a macbook 13 c2d standard |
| 11:19:33 | linuxstb | Did you ever try it on Tiger? |
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| 11:20:24 | Gremlin | yeah i do remember tiger to be a bit longer, but i cant really remember. its not something i really notice |
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| 11:22:39 | linuxstb | Gremlin: OK, thanks. I'll stop spamming this channel with Mac questions now... |
| 11:23:06 | Gremlin | no worries |
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| 11:31:43 | GodEater | is bookmarking only designed currently to allow one bookmark per playlist ? |
| 11:33:14 | Bagder | btw http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/11/13/distributed-builds-on-every-commit/ |
| 11:33:25 | Bagder | but you all know that already |
| 11:33:48 | Bagder | GodEater: I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case |
| 11:34:20 | GodEater | it certainly looks to be the case |
| 11:34:49 | GodEater | I'm just looking at the filenaming routine, because I'm of the opinion that saving a bookmark in the parent directory is not intuitive behaviour |
| 11:35:06 | GodEater | but it seems that if I'm going to change that, I might as well change the naming to be on a per-file basis |
| 11:35:25 | GodEater | because currently it's based on the directory name |
| 11:35:28 | GodEater | what do you think ? |
| 11:36:15 | Bagder | I think the reason it is named per the directory is due to the playlist nature. It reads the dir into a playlist and plays that and stores the resume position for that playlist/dir |
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| 11:36:45 | GodEater | I don't see that the bookmark's name need rely on that though |
| 11:36:51 | GodEater | unless I'm missing something obvious |
| 11:39:34 | * | GodEater is looking at generate_bookmark_file_name() in case anyone is wondering |
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| 11:41:57 | GodEater | ah |
| 11:42:01 | * | GodEater notes the problem |
| 11:42:18 | GodEater | I see the name will still have to stay the same as the playlist |
| 11:42:51 | GodEater | but the location could still be changed to the current directory rather than the parent I think |
| 11:42:52 | PaulJam | GodEater: you can have more than one bookmark per playlist. a .bmark file can contain more than one bookmark. |
| 11:43:01 | GodEater | PaulJam: that's what I just figured out :) |
| 11:43:23 | GodEater | can anyone think of a good reason for keeping them in the parent directory though ? |
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| 12:15:43 | roolku | GodEater: yes, to be consistent with saved playlist, in which case it is also on the same level |
| 12:16:54 | roolku | GodEater: also I find it a lot easier to find a bookmark next to say about 10 audiobook directories than mixed in with dozens if not hundreds audiofiles inside these directories |
| 12:17:58 | roolku | GodEater: If I want to clean out my bookmarks I have them all together, rather than have to change into lots of directories |
| 12:19:09 | roolku | GodEater: basically I can't see any advantage in having them inside the dir? Why do you think it is non-intuitive to have them side by side? |
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| 12:20:31 | LinusN | i think it is odd to have the bookmark file in another directory than the actual files it manages |
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| 12:22:04 | roolku | LinusN: other than a feeling do you have a rational reason? |
| 12:22:35 | LinusN | i also dislike the way it stores the playlists as well |
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| 12:23:07 | LinusN | but that's me |
| 12:23:41 | LinusN | if i bookmark an audio book, i kind of expect the bookmark file to be in the directory where the audiobook files are |
| 12:23:50 | roolku | LinusN: if it didn't store the playlists, it wouldn't work for audiobooks consisting of many files? |
| 12:24:22 | LinusN | i'm talking about the playlist generation in general |
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| 12:27:09 | roolku | well, considering the playlist can contain tracks from all over the place where would you want to store it? |
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| 12:28:20 | * | roolku is confused andf goes back to work |
| 12:28:34 | LinusN | there is a difference here |
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| 12:29:07 | LinusN | you are talking about bookmarking a playlist, and naturally the bookmark file should be stored in the same directory as the playlist |
| 12:29:41 | LinusN | but you can also play a directory and bookmark that |
| 12:29:44 | ryanakca | do you have to restart your media player after building the database for the first time? It build for an hour or so last night, and this morning supposedly the database hasn't been built yet.... |
| 12:29:47 | linuxstb | Where is the bookmark stored if you're playing files in the root? |
| 12:30:11 | LinusN | linuxstb: special case: in the root, just like when you create a playlist |
| 12:30:19 | roolku | linuxstb: good point - where is it stored |
| 12:30:20 | LinusN | which is why i dislike the concept |
| 12:30:47 | roolku | LinusN: I was confused by "<LinusN> i'm talking about the playlist generation in general" |
| 12:30:51 | linuxstb | ryanakca: Yes, you do need to restart. |
| 12:31:39 | roolku | Maybe we can store all bookmarks centrally |
| 12:32:07 | * | roolku wants to avoid bookmarks within the clutter of many audiofiles |
| 12:32:28 | LinusN | roolku: but it is fine to clutter the parent directory? |
| 12:32:54 | LinuxMafia | is there usb mode section in rockbox |
| 12:32:55 | roolku | LinusN: yes, because there are only a limited number of directories and no audio files |
| 12:32:56 | LinuxMafia | ? |
| 12:33:22 | LinusN | roolku: on all players, or only yours? |
| 12:33:28 | LinuxMafia | i can not mount my device when i booted into rockbox |
| 12:33:29 | * | roolku keeps his audiofiles mainly in leaf nodes |
| 12:34:17 | LinuxMafia | any one? |
| 12:34:22 | roolku | LinusN: I would suspect neither of your extremest options to be true |
| 12:34:33 | roolku | extremist |
| 12:34:34 | LinusN | LinuxMafia: which player model? |
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| 12:35:49 | LinuxMafia | LinusN, e200 |
| 12:36:05 | LinusN | suggestion: generate the bookmarks in the same directory as the files, and name the file .bookmark |
| 12:36:26 | LinusN | LinuxMafia: you need to boot the original firmware to use usb on the sansa |
| 12:36:50 | LinuxMafia | LinusN, that's kinda sucks |
| 12:37:06 | LinusN | LinuxMafia: yes it does, and we are working on it |
| 12:37:12 | LinuxMafia | LinusN, do you use any themes |
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| 12:38:31 | LinuxMafia | LinusN, i use some but dont know why background dose not show up |
| 12:39:00 | LinusN | LinuxMafia: not really, i use Rockboxed on all my players, except fpr the ipod video, where i use the pen&paper theme |
| 12:39:12 | roolku | LinusN: hm, would this not invalidate all existing bookmarks? |
| 12:40:08 | LinusN | roolku: when you play a file, i think it could look for <filename>.bmark and then .bookmark in that order |
| 12:40:26 | LinuxMafia | LinusN, another thing in data base i have singers let'say start with "i" and data base does not show them |
| 12:40:44 | LinusN | perhaps it should be named "default.bmark" or something |
| 12:41:08 | LinusN | LinuxMafia: i'm no database guru, sorry |
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| 12:42:46 | LinuxMafia | LinusN, thanks alot |
| 12:43:06 | roolku | ah well, I suppose I can get used to whatever it is changed to, but I have no problem with the way it currently works |
| 12:43:36 | LinusN | i don't think it's a big deal either, to be honest |
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| 12:51:29 | GodEater | LinusN: how would the bookmark code know that the bookmark is being generated for a directory rather than a playlist? Currently there's nothing in the bookmarking code which makes any sort of distinction as far as I can see |
| 12:52:03 | LinusN | GodEater: yeah, i was thinking the same thing myself |
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| 12:52:12 | martii | hi guys |
| 12:52:16 | GodEater | it relies soley on playlist code at the moment |
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| 12:52:38 | LinusN | GodEater: yes, and maybe that's how it should be |
| 12:52:38 | GodEater | so while it would be easy to make it do one thing or the other, having two flavours of bookmark would require considerable additional code |
| 12:53:05 | martii | I try to flash ipod and it looks like rbutilqt doesnt recognize my player |
| 12:53:14 | martii | it's 20gb 4th gen I think |
| 12:53:44 | martii | windows says that discovered disk but is not formated |
| 12:53:54 | linuxstb | What information is actually stored in the .bmark file? |
| 12:54:24 | linuxstb | martii: If Windows is complaining about your ipod, then I wouldn't expect rbutilqt to work. Does the ipod itself work OK normally? |
| 12:54:54 | GodEater | linuxstb: it stores a list of files (the audio files themselves), and the position within those files that playback was marked at |
| 12:55:07 | martii | linuxstb: I'll get itunes maybe |
| 12:55:45 | GodEater | martii: maybe it's a MacPod ? |
| 12:56:22 | martii | godeater: can be |
| 12:56:35 | martii | godeater: how can I tell? |
| 12:56:44 | GodEater | plug it into a Mac :) |
| 12:57:34 | martii | godeater: unfortunately :) i borrowed mine |
| 12:58:30 | martii | godeater: looks like it was formated under mac |
| 12:59:11 | martii | s windows says that partition is raw |
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| 13:01:00 | GodEater | martii: Well you either need to use itunes to restore it then, or use our manual restore procedure (in the wiki), but that requires linux... |
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| 13:06:59 | linuxstb | martii: Does the ipod work when you turn it on - i.e. do you see the original Apple firmware run? |
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| 13:20:54 | martii | linuxstb it does |
| 13:21:05 | martii | linux I'll boot into linux and do manual restore |
| 13:21:56 | linuxstb | martii: Are you running rbutilqt as Administrator? It should still find a "macpod", and identify it. Although which version of rbutilqt are you using? |
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| 13:23:16 | * | linuxstb suspects the issue was an old version of rbutilqt that didn't detect ipods correctly... |
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| 13:24:06 | linuxstb | Bagder: Can you move this to the download server - it's a Windows build posted by bluebrother a few days ago - http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt-1.0.3pre.zip |
| 13:26:06 | linuxstb | Bagder: There's a Mac version from barrywardell here - barrywardell.net/rockbox/rbutilqt-1.0.3.dmg">http://www.barrywardell.net/rockbox/rbutilqt-1.0.3.dmg |
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| 13:59:30 | Bagder | linuxstb: no linux version? |
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| 14:00:06 | linuxstb | I haven't seen one mentioned - I think domonoky normally builds them. |
| 14:00:23 | Bagder | ok, they're on the server now at least |
| 14:00:53 | linuxstb | Although the ipodpatcher/sansapatcher bug that stopped bootloader installs working was Windows-only, so it's mainly just the Windows version that's in an urgent need of update. (which you've just done....) |
| 14:01:10 | LinuxMafia | hi |
| 14:01:13 | Bagder | aha |
| 14:01:15 | LinuxMafia | is that look right? |
| 14:01:20 | LinuxMafia | LinuxMafia k # ls /mnt/cd/.rockbox/doom/ |
| 14:01:21 | LinuxMafia | ChangeLog copying credits doom2.wad news readme rockdoom.wad |
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| 14:01:58 | linuxstb | LinuxMafia: I _think_ so. |
| 14:02:12 | linuxstb | Try it and see... |
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| 14:03:24 | linuxstb | Bagder: How does the download mirror rsync work? i.e. when can we expect the mirrors to all be updated? |
| 14:03:41 | Bagder | the mirrors rsync once per hour |
| 14:03:53 | linuxstb | At what time? |
| 14:03:53 | Bagder | so within an hour, everyone should be in sync |
| 14:03:59 | Bagder | no particular time |
| 14:04:17 | LinuxMafia | thanks alot guy |
| 14:04:19 | LinuxMafia | s |
| 14:04:22 | Bagder | I don't know what time and I haven't asked for any specific |
| 14:04:36 | linuxstb | OK, so it's a cronjob running on each mirror? |
| 14:04:40 | Bagder | yes |
| 14:05:04 | * | JdGordon doesnt know if you all were told yet (or care)... |
| 14:05:10 | JdGordon | eigima got code runnig on the dsp! |
| 14:05:15 | Bagder | yay! |
| 14:05:23 | linuxstb | \o/ |
| 14:06:02 | linuxstb | What tools are needed to compile for the DSP? |
| 14:06:46 | linuxstb | BTW, did you look at the archopen code for the DM320? |
| 14:08:29 | JdGordon | I dont know... he hasnt said how he got it.. just that it was 3am and he wanted to let us knw :p |
| 14:09:05 | GodEater | don't you need some proprietary compiler ? |
| 14:09:30 | Bagder | unless you do it in asm! ;-) |
| 14:09:51 | JdGordon | I tihnk he is using the trial version of ti's compiler |
| 14:09:56 | LinuxMafia | linuxstb, it works but no sound |
| 14:10:00 | * | JdGordon doesnt remember |
| 14:11:16 | * | GodEater didn't think we had sound in any of our plugins (except of course whatever rockbox is playing if the plugin is small enough to allow it) |
| 14:11:24 | linuxstb | LinuxMafia: Sound effects should work, but not music... |
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| 14:11:39 | * | GodEater stands corrected |
| 14:11:50 | LinuxMafia | linuxstb, even sound effects does not work |
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| 14:13:31 | linuxstb | LinuxMafia: I don't know then... Are they enabled in the Doom menu? |
| 14:13:57 | pixelma | GodEater: and there is sound in rockboy, aren't there quite a few threads in the forums with people complainig about sound quality? .... |
| 14:14:01 | martii | k |
| 14:14:11 | martii | ok now it's workign under windows :) |
| 14:14:36 | martii | but rockbox utility doesnt recognize it |
| 14:15:13 | linuxstb | martii: Update to the newest rbutilqt |
| 14:15:25 | martii | I got it from website |
| 14:15:33 | linuxstb | 1.0.3? |
| 14:15:42 | LinuxMafia | linuxstb, yeah |
| 14:16:13 | linuxstb | martii: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt-1.0.3pre.zip |
| 14:18:04 | martii | ok |
| 14:18:10 | martii | 1.0.3pre seems to work :) |
| 14:18:17 | GodEater | pixelma:shows how often I use them :) |
| 14:20:54 | pixelma | the forums? ;) |
| 14:21:08 | GodEater | I tend to ignore the plugins forum |
| 14:22:04 | LinuxMafia | what game has sound? |
| 14:22:12 | J | I realise this is OT, but does anyone know of a voice/sound activated recorder for linux? |
| 14:22:17 | LinuxMafia | i dont have sounds in any game |
| 14:22:40 | JdGordon | rockboy, doom, metronome all have sound |
| 14:22:58 | LinuxMafia | JdGordon, i dont have sound in any |
| 14:23:29 | LinuxMafia | i dont have in doom |
| 14:23:33 | pixelma | bah, metronome reminds me... :\ |
| 14:23:39 | LinuxMafia | i dont have rockboy or metronome |
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| 14:24:47 | LinuxMafia | ChangeLog copying credits doom2.wad news readme rockdoom.wad |
| 14:24:57 | LinuxMafia | i got this files in my doom folder |
| 14:25:07 | LinuxMafia | JdGordon, what files you have? |
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| 14:28:06 | * | GodEater doubts that LinuxMafia doesn't have Metronome or Rockboy |
| 14:29:22 | LinuxMafia | GodEater, it does not show on game list |
| 14:29:46 | LinuxMafia | oh |
| 14:29:48 | LinuxMafia | i have |
| 14:29:51 | LinuxMafia | it says |
| 14:29:59 | LinuxMafia | battery.bench is running |
| 14:30:27 | GodEater | that would be because it's not a games |
| 14:30:32 | GodEater | s/s// |
| 14:30:45 | LinuxMafia | GodEater, so what is battery bench |
| 14:30:46 | GodEater | and Rockboy doesn't show in any list, as it's a viewer, not a plugin |
| 14:30:54 | GodEater | it benchmarks your battery performance |
| 14:31:03 | GodEater | LinuxMafia: I suggest you read the manual |
| 14:31:16 | LinuxMafia | GodEater, i was in the middle |
| 14:31:21 | LinuxMafia | i got to games |
| 14:31:26 | LinuxMafia | and wanted to check |
| 14:31:47 | * | pondlife thinks we ought to have a dummy plugin that splashes "Read The Manual" and put it in as doom.rock, rockboy.rock etc... |
| 14:34:17 | martii | thanks for help now i'm happy rbox user :) |
| 14:34:31 | martii | just listening to flac :) files ;) |
| 14:35:09 | LinuxMafia | hum no sound for doom |
| 14:35:15 | GodEater | pondlife: good idea :) |
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| 14:36:52 | pondlife | GodEater: You have an Iopd Video too? ;) |
| 14:37:02 | GodEater | ah what ? |
| 14:37:19 | GodEater | if you mean an ipod video, then yes :) |
| 14:37:30 | pondlife | Stupid typo... caught my eye: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13739 |
| 14:37:59 | * | GodEater modifies the post... |
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| 14:45:58 | LinuxMafia | if i connect the sansa to usb with rockbox loaded it will be charged ? |
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| 15:08:27 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, no / very slowly. it's still recommended to use the OF for charging. |
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| 15:15:43 | amiconn | linuxstb: -mcp *is* arm9tdmi... |
| 15:15:48 | amiconn | * -mcpu even |
| 15:17:22 | amiconn | Umm, I'm an idiot... |
| 15:17:50 | amiconn | Forgot to svn up this morning... but now I get the same problem as the build server when kkurbjun changed the option |
| 15:18:06 | amiconn | That's in spite of arm-elf-gcc being patched... |
| 15:19:54 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, thanks alot |
| 15:22:33 | LinuxMafia | i feel the battery does not work for long |
| 15:29:07 | ciapuppet | yeah why is that |
| 15:29:34 | ciapuppet | what could possibly be in the firmware with regard to electron flow |
| 15:31:16 | krazykit | lots, really. |
| 15:31:41 | krazykit | hardware that isn't initialized/shutdown properly, among other things. there are several threads in the forums about this, though. |
| 15:32:12 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, the battery will not last as long as the OF, but a good battery should last more than 12 hours, according to some recent battery benches |
| 15:35:45 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, i just bought my sansa |
| 15:36:01 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you see separate directories for each cpu type (arm7tdmi, arm9tdmi etc) in /usr/local/arm-elf/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.3/ ? |
| 15:36:09 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, and it shows full |
| 15:36:45 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, then define "doesn't work for long". |
| 15:36:54 | amiconn | I have armv4t, armv5te and armv6 there |
| 15:37:37 | amiconn | They all have today's date, so it's from building gcc with the patch |
| 15:37:44 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, it shows 86% now |
| 15:37:50 | LinuxMafia | it empies fast |
| 15:38:21 | LinuxMafia | and another thing i can not view orginal pictures i had in photo directory |
| 15:38:56 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, mine does that too. it sounds like a bad battery. did you buy it new? |
| 15:39:05 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, yes |
| 15:39:08 | krazykit | as for the original pictures, i can't help, as I deleted them right away. |
| 15:39:10 | LinuxMafia | i did |
| 15:40:17 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, hum i hope it work |
| 15:40:37 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, well, why not just find out how long it takes to drain? the % drained may not be accurate with regards to how long it'll last. |
| 15:40:49 | linuxstb | amiconn: That's odd - those are from an old version of my patch... |
| 15:40:49 | LinuxMafia | yeah |
| 15:41:02 | amiconn | It's the patch from the wiki.. |
| 15:41:12 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, i have to work with it almost 15 ours? |
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| 15:41:52 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, no, you could make sure it's charged, start playing back an album on repeat, start the battery bench, and go to sleep |
| 15:42:42 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, your screen also turn off after few secs? |
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| 15:42:53 | Kaboose | hey |
| 15:42:56 | kkurbjun | amiconn, you should have quite a few more directories than just armv6, armv5te, and armv4t |
| 15:43:04 | Kaboose | how do i get a background |
| 15:43:12 | linuxstb | amiconn: That's not the one being used by rockboxdev.sh - I mentioned the link to that patch this morning when you asked... |
| 15:43:12 | Kaboose | i have 2 bitmaps in the rite folder |
| 15:43:24 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'll remove it from the wiki now though. |
| 15:43:29 | LinuxMafia | Kaboose, this is what i am tring to do also |
| 15:43:38 | Kaboose | where do i need 2 go in settings? |
| 15:43:42 | Kaboose | ok |
| 15:43:43 | kkurbjun | I believe that my gcc was not properly patched when I rebuilt for all targets, than when I just built for arm |
| 15:44:00 | Kaboose | help?? |
| 15:44:18 | Kaboose | iz it the backdrop bit? |
| 15:44:23 | amiconn | linuxstb: Nasty... it was also said that CrossCompiler is still valid, and that's where I got the patch from |
| 15:44:45 | linuxstb | I think all the patches have been moved to http://www.rockbox.org/gcc/ but the wiki wasn't updated... |
| 15:44:54 | Kaboose | HOW DO I SELECT A BACKGROUND...HELP! ME |
| 15:45:06 | amiconn | I didn't even expect that we have 2 different patches for the same purpose in different places :( |
| 15:45:07 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, yeah, if you read the manual, it tells you how to adjust that. |
| 15:45:15 | Kaboose | i did |
| 15:45:18 | Kaboose | where ? |
| 15:45:36 | Kaboose | setting/theme setting? |
| 15:45:38 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, yeah i saw it in settings |
| 15:45:46 | krazykit | Kaboose, read the manual. it's there. |
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| 15:45:59 | amiconn | I also wonder why the patches were copied... |
| 15:46:02 | Kaboose | just tell me |
| 15:46:15 | krazykit | Kaboose, i don't know off the top of my head. this is why i'm telling you to read the damn manual. |
| 15:46:29 | LinuxMafia | hummm |
| 15:46:30 | kkurbjun | amiconn, the m:robe port works on target |
| 15:46:33 | Kaboose | what does it fall under then? |
| 15:46:41 | LinuxMafia | it does not show .bmp file |
| 15:46:46 | kkurbjun | or were you speaking of something else? |
| 15:46:55 | LinuxMafia | in manual it says |
| 15:47:01 | krazykit | Kaboose, themes, probably. |
| 15:47:02 | Kaboose | yeh my bmp's arent showing |
| 15:47:18 | Kaboose | no, not in themes |
| 15:47:36 | LinuxMafia | The backdrop image must be a .bmp file of the exact same dimensions as the display in your player (176x220x16 with the last number giving the colour depth in bits). |
| 15:47:44 | LinuxMafia | so i did |
| 15:47:58 | LinuxMafia | convert 20041011-gentoo.jpg -resize 176x220 -colors 16 gentoo.bmp |
| 15:48:12 | LinuxMafia | then copied to sansa |
| 15:48:17 | LinuxMafia | but it wont even show it |
| 15:48:29 | linuxstb | What option have you selected for "Show files" ? |
| 15:48:47 | Kaboose | my bitmaps are 320x240 for my 80BG Ipod video |
| 15:49:02 | Kaboose | wots wrong then? |
| 15:49:06 | LinuxMafia | linuxstb, it shows the file , i can not view the picture |
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| 15:49:22 | linuxstb | You just said it won't show it... |
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| 15:49:33 | linuxstb | So you mean it appears in the file browser, but when you select it, nothing happens? |
| 15:49:41 | LinuxMafia | linuxstb, exactly |
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| 15:50:01 | LinuxMafia | linuxstb, same thing happens when i choose original .bmp files |
| 15:50:08 | amiconn | There is no BMP viewer, hence just selecting it doesn't work |
| 15:50:19 | amiconn | But you can set it as backdrop |
| 15:50:23 | * | linuxstb forgot that..... |
| 15:50:33 | LinuxMafia | amiconn, how? |
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| 15:50:44 | amiconn | It's in the manual... |
| 15:50:54 | LinuxMafia | amiconn, yeah yeah i read that |
| 15:51:05 | LinuxMafia | but it does not give me any option |
| 15:51:09 | LinuxMafia | any key i press |
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| 15:51:34 | LinuxMafia | To use an image as a backdrop browse to it in the File Browser and open the File Menu (see section 4.1.2) on it and select the option Set As Backdrop. |
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| 15:52:22 | linuxstb | Do you see the "Set As Backdrop" option? |
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| 15:53:14 | LinuxMafia | LinuxMafia, not when i am usuing file browser |
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| 15:53:44 | LinuxMafia | linuxstb, i go on the picture , i click the menu button nothing happens |
| 15:53:59 | linuxstb | You don't "click the menu button", you do what section 4.1.2 says |
| 15:54:21 | LinuxMafia | let me look at it again |
| 15:59:11 | LinuxMafia | linuxstb, i got it but it failed |
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| 15:59:22 | LinuxMafia | it seems i need to use their own cd |
| 15:59:42 | Febs | Does the Replygain pre-amp setting impact the volume of all files, even those that do not have Replaygain tags? |
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| 16:05:19 | amiconn | Meh. Why is curl so unintuitive? :( |
| 16:05:32 | linuxstb | You mean the writing to stdout by default? |
| 16:05:33 | markun | amiconn: ask Bagder? |
| 16:07:06 | * | preglow finds curl intuitive enough |
| 16:07:18 | preglow | i usually use wget, though, less to type |
| 16:07:45 | amiconn | linuxstb: yes, and I can't find the switch that makes it download to a file |
| 16:08:01 | preglow | curl url > file? |
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| 16:08:27 | amiconn | preglow: Then I have to type the filename... |
| 16:09:03 | * | amiconn uses wget instead |
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| 16:09:25 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, that's my solution - use wget... |
| 16:09:46 | linuxstb | Which annoyingly doesn't work with flyspray attachments... |
| 16:10:42 | Llorean | I'm not really fond of flyspray's attachments |
| 16:10:44 | * | amiconn usually prefers a browser, but that doesn't work via ssh |
| 16:10:56 | scorche|w | links? |
| 16:11:28 | preglow | links, x forwarding, plenty of solutions |
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| 16:15:16 | Nico_P | wow links is quite nice |
| 16:15:31 | preglow | it's completely decent |
| 16:16:42 | * | Nico_P only knew lynx |
| 16:16:53 | PaulJam | Febs: no, it only affects files where replaygain is applied. |
| 16:17:40 | PaulJam | Febs: but you can use the eq preamp |
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| 16:22:06 | PaulJam | Hmm, is it intended behaviour, that dynamic text (for example sleeptimer) on a scrolling line (even though it doesn't scroll) becomes not so dynamoc anymore? |
| 16:22:31 | amiconn | preglow: x forwarding? No thanks. Way too slow |
| 16:24:29 | linuxstb | PaulJam: I didn't think scrolling lines could contain dynamic elements? |
| 16:25:05 | amiconn | linuxstb: With the new patch it now works :| |
| 16:26:21 | linuxstb | Hurray ;) That CrossCompiler page seems in need of a cleanup though - how many of those attachments are still valid? |
| 16:26:54 | PaulJam | linuxstb: the remaining time shows, but it doesn't move (this can propaby easyly be worked around by having two identical alternating sublines with 1 second delay) |
| 16:27:47 | Nico_P | PaulJam: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7006 |
| 16:28:39 | PaulJam | thanks. sorry that i didn't search befor posting here. |
| 16:28:58 | Nico_P | PaulJam: no problem... I guess this is causing you trouble in your WPS? |
| 16:29:11 | Nico_P | btw I saw your recent bug report... nice find ;) |
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| 16:31:32 | eth01 | the iPod special edition (red) is gen 2, right? |
| 16:31:58 | eth01 | we're talking about the one, previous to the latest. ;) |
| 16:32:26 | PaulJam | no trouble really, i already had the tag on an alternating subline, so the time was max 4 seconds off. i was just curious. |
| 16:33:43 | Nico_P | PaulJam: it's another complex issue... either the text is updated often enough but won't scroll, either it scrolls and can't be updated.... the scrolling code doesn't leave us any choice |
| 16:34:15 | Nico_P | well what I said is a choice :) I'd say the scrolling code doesn't leave us any other option |
| 16:34:33 | Nico_P | amiconn: isn't http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7006 what you recently commited? |
| 16:34:45 | * | eth01 sighs. |
| 16:34:48 | Nico_P | amiconn: oops, I meant http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5234 |
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| 16:39:00 | amiconn | Nico_P: Of course not |
| 16:39:11 | amiconn | I implemented the proper way, using the hardware |
| 16:39:32 | Nico_P | amiconn: I wasn't clear, sorry.... I mean can the tesk now be closed? |
| 16:39:39 | amiconn | yesd |
| 16:39:41 | amiconn | -d |
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| 16:40:18 | Nico_P | amiconn: I don't doubt you did it much better :) |
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| 16:54:57 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: just saw your resizing code post on FS #5697 |
| 16:55:58 | amiconn | Nico_P: 5234 left the software pwm running all the time, that's why it was never committed |
| 16:56:59 | Calcipher | hey amiconn, can you help me figure something out on using the voice.pl script, with rashers patch? |
| 16:57:42 | Calcipher | it has a similar issue to the sapi voice options problem where it won't accept input containing spaces |
| 16:58:24 | Calcipher | I figure since you knew how to get around that the other time, you might know the correct way to input the options |
| 16:59:55 | Calcipher | "You run the perl script just as it tells you: ./voice.pl -D -s=flite -S="" -e=lame -E="−−vbr-new -t −−nores" -l=english /path/to/player" this is from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7984 |
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| 17:03:21 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: opinion? |
| 17:03:59 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: on that code? not really read it yet, but it got me thinking about where to store the original pic |
| 17:04:45 | jhMikeS | thought that went on buffer. |
| 17:04:48 | Nico_P | I was thinking of attempting to store it in the plugin buffer and putting the resized version on the main buffer |
| 17:05:20 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: unless the resizing can be done in place of course, but it doesn't look like it |
| 17:06:13 | jhMikeS | actually...perhaps it could if you go backwards when stretching and forward when shrinking |
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| 17:06:44 | linuxstb | The .bmp could potentially be quite large - e.g. 500x500 is common for the album art I've downloaded... |
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| 17:07:06 | Nico_P | linuxstb: currently read_bmp_fd will reject anything bigger than the screen |
| 17:08:03 | Nico_P | I found that out when someone reported a crash while trying to load a ~1400x1400 bmp |
| 17:08:33 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: How many lines of the file would need to be in RAM to resize with your algorithm? |
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| 17:08:46 | jhMikeS | one |
| 17:09:21 | linuxstb | So it could just resize in-place, as it loads the file? |
| 17:09:24 | jhMikeS | just seek on raster rows when loading |
| 17:09:28 | jhMikeS | sure |
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| 17:12:00 | Nico_P | linuxstb: but if we don't limit the max size, one line can be a large amount of data |
| 17:12:39 | Calcipher | is there anyway to change the encoding quality of the voicebox script setup for generating dir a file talk clips? |
| 17:13:04 | Calcipher | its got my voices sounding like they have lisps haha |
| 17:14:43 | jhMikeS | the algorthm is really adapting brensenham's algorithm - if you think about the axis stretching as a 2-d problem |
| 17:15:12 | Calcipher | the settings aren't contained in its .ini, so the defaults must be part of the script |
| 17:16:20 | PaulJam | can someone tell me if there is a restriction on the filenamelength of the remote viewers iconset? the last character of the filename doesn't get saved in the config.cfg. the filename without extension is 33 characters. |
| 17:18:02 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Yes, but we don't need to read an entire line at once - just read up to X bytes at a time. |
| 17:18:07 | linuxstb | PaulJam: 32 sounds a likely limit... |
| 17:20:56 | amiconn | Nico_P: Why not resize on load?? |
| 17:21:56 | * | amiconn should read up |
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| 17:22:20 | Nico_P | amiconn: I have nothing against that |
| 17:22:33 | tuplanolla | I'm trying to compile rockbox for the sansa e200. I have applied cpchan patches without any errors. BUT. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44413/ |
| 17:22:40 | tuplanolla | Could anyone help me? |
| 17:22:47 | Nico_P | I need to read up too... I'm completely ignorant of that subject |
| 17:26:06 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I find the var names a bit cryptic... |
| 17:26:22 | linuxstb | Nico_P: The comments help though ;) |
| 17:26:25 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 17:26:28 | Nico_P | hehe |
| 17:26:50 | jhMikeS | just a quick copy+paste from the thumbnailer |
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| 17:28:01 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: any reason for "for (;;)"? It's equivalent to while (true), right? |
| 17:28:09 | GodEater | tuplanolla: that's because you've applied the album art patch |
| 17:28:19 | GodEater | tuplanolla: which you no longer need to do - since album art is now in svn |
| 17:28:26 | przemhb | I've got some news concerning H10 line-in recording for you |
| 17:28:40 | barrywardell | przemhb: I'm listening ;) |
| 17:29:04 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I just sort of like for(;;). I like while(1) as well. I hate bools or anything that looks like them. :p |
| 17:29:07 | przemhb | yes ;) you can listen to a recorded file ftp://ffw58.internetdsl.tpnet.pl/pub/R_LINE_071113-171211.mp3 |
| 17:29:16 | preglow | jhMikeS: did you try implementing bilinear filtering? |
| 17:29:27 | przemhb | to put it simple: it works without any problem |
| 17:29:44 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I think it should be possible to scale a BMP on load, complete with interpolation, with any limited size buffer, which might even be shorter than one input line |
| 17:29:46 | jhMikeS | preglow: not yet |
| 17:30:02 | barrywardell | oh. so maybe karashata was doinng something wrong? |
| 17:30:04 | jhMikeS | that algorithm could interpolate however |
| 17:30:10 | przemhb | I have just try to record 1kHz sin from signal gen using my modified data cable |
| 17:30:22 | przemhb | barrywardell: maybe |
| 17:30:29 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Wasn't karashata using the official dock? |
| 17:30:34 | karashata | I was |
| 17:30:36 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: do you pull all the algorithms out of your hat or do you have a source somewhere? |
| 17:30:41 | barrywardell | yeah, so maybe something is different. |
| 17:31:03 | barrywardell | przemhb: did you connect the cradle detect wire? |
| 17:31:18 | przemhb | barrywardell: yes |
| 17:31:37 | barrywardell | hmmm. in that case, I wonder what's different |
| 17:31:38 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: Like I said...Brensenham's line algorthm. I just saw the application to image streching and put it together to do that. |
| 17:31:47 | Arathis | barrywardell: when trying fm recording on H10 I first thought it hadn't recorded anything, but it was just too silent. perhaps karashata experienced somthing similar but didn't make his player louder |
| 17:32:15 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: yeah but how do you know about the existing algorithms? I personnally never heard of bresenham before |
| 17:32:30 | jhMikeS | word gets around to the insiders :) |
| 17:32:49 | amiconn | Bresenham is a common algorithm for line drawing |
| 17:33:03 | amiconn | There's also a variant for drawing circles iirc |
| 17:33:07 | jhMikeS | seriously...if I want a reference for some type of task, I'll google about it |
| 17:33:08 | przemhb | karashata: files recorded by you contained only silence, is that right? |
| 17:33:24 | * | jhMikeS has a midpoint circle algorithm lying about |
| 17:33:34 | * | amiconn would never have thought about applying bresenham to image scaling |
| 17:34:11 | karashata | przemhb: yes |
| 17:34:12 | preglow | sounds logical enough, you need a line-like algo anyway |
| 17:34:25 | amiconn | But that probably doesn't interpolate |
| 17:34:34 | amiconn | So it's out of question for me |
| 17:34:37 | jhMikeS | want it to? it can do bilinear |
| 17:34:42 | preglow | you can interpolate just fine with bresenham |
| 17:34:45 | preglow | that doesn't even enter into it |
| 17:34:59 | karashata | przemhb: or at least that's all I heard, I never bothered to check them in an audio editing application |
| 17:35:10 | przemhb | karashata: have you ensured yourself that line-i recording works with OF in the same time? |
| 17:35:12 | Nico_P | apparently it can be made to interpolate: http://www.ddj.com/184405045 |
| 17:35:19 | jhMikeS | then it's a nice 7-dimensional algo :) |
| 17:35:26 | karashata | yes, the OF can record line in no problem |
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| 17:35:44 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Interpolate *without* ever having a full input line in memory, of course |
| 17:35:59 | jhMikeS | just two pixels and the error |
| 17:36:23 | przemhb | karashata: but did you check it at the same time? (maybe there was sth wrong with signal source or cables?) |
| 17:36:41 | amiconn | ...and without seeking back & forth in the input file |
| 17:37:06 | karashata | at the same time, no, but the setup I use for line in recording is exactly the same as the last time I used the OF for line-in recording |
| 17:37:16 | karashata | I can check it now if you insist |
| 17:37:24 | jhMikeS | I suppose it would work just like the resampler using the last sample, current, and the error term |
| 17:38:05 | amiconn | You have to interpolate in 2 dimensions though |
| 17:38:10 | * | jhMikeS thinks frequency domain-based scaling :P |
| 17:38:20 | amiconn | But that should be possible with accumulation in the destination image array |
| 17:38:23 | karashata | yep, line-in still works in the OF |
| 17:38:51 | amiconn | I woul dprobably use fixed point math here, instead of bresenham |
| 17:38:57 | karashata | I can hear the input through line-out and the headphone jack when in the line-in recording screen in the OF |
| 17:39:45 | jhMikeS | I suppose it would use fixed point. the error term is basically the accumulator fractional part. |
| 17:39:52 | preglow | jhMikeS: freq domain scaling looks like shit if you do it naively, the better results are done in the time domain |
| 17:39:53 | Nico_P | heh, do you guys want to write it in asm? :p |
| 17:40:21 | jhMikeS | preglow: define "naiively". |
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| 17:40:45 | preglow | jhMikeS: not paying attention to phase |
| 17:41:07 | preglow | how nice the result looks depends a lot on phase, if you just cut out freqs you'll get ringing in the resulting image |
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| 17:41:16 | preglow | that doesn't matter much for sound, but it does for pictures |
| 17:41:39 | jhMikeS | of course it'll ring...a phasing errors will smear things I guess |
| 17:41:54 | preglow | well, ringing is easily visible :) |
| 17:42:07 | preglow | that's why people don't use straight sinc filters for image resampling, for example |
| 17:42:12 | przemhb | karashata: thanks |
| 17:42:12 | preglow | too much ringing in the filter response |
| 17:42:25 | karashata | przemhb: no problem |
| 17:42:27 | jhMikeS | indeed but that just follows |
| 17:42:32 | tuplanolla | GodEater: Thanks. So I can't use the cpchan patch file? |
| 17:42:50 | przemhb | I think I'll do some test on my second H10 tommorow |
| 17:42:53 | GodEater | I've no idea - I've no clue what's in it |
| 17:43:05 | preglow | what do they call the popular filter kernel for images again? lancosz? |
| 17:43:09 | preglow | i never remember the spelling |
| 17:43:09 | GodEater | tuplanolla: I suspect it's just a collection of patches from flyspray though |
| 17:43:12 | przemhb | for now I must go |
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| 17:43:27 | GodEater | tuplanolla: so just put together a patch with all the ones he uses minus AA and you'll be good to go |
| 17:43:32 | preglow | lanczos |
| 17:44:00 | Calcipher | hey rasher, I need some assistance using your http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7984 path |
| 17:44:03 | tuplanolla | GodEater: ah, that's what I meant. Thanks a lot! |
| 17:44:06 | barrywardell | karashata: what is the gain set to when line-in recording in Rockbox? |
| 17:44:22 | karashata | um... lemme check a second |
| 17:44:25 | rasher | Calcipher: What is the problem? |
| 17:44:47 | Calcipher | well I wanted to generate database clips |
| 17:45:00 | karashata | it's set at 0 |
| 17:45:07 | karashata | um... |
| 17:45:22 | karashata | would you believe it's working now...? |
| 17:45:32 | Calcipher | and tried the process as indicated and recieved a long error code, and the selected TTS voice would be heard saying "numeric" during the generation process |
| 17:45:33 | jhMikeS | preglow: more damned sinc functions! :p |
| 17:45:44 | preglow | jhMikeS: yep, but specially massaged ones :P |
| 17:46:04 | Calcipher | also, I was not able to input tts options, namely /voice: which conatined spaces |
| 17:46:21 | rasher | Calcipher: I don't know about the sapi voice part |
| 17:46:24 | karashata | I don't know why it wasn't working before, but it seems to be okay now, so... |
| 17:46:24 | Calcipher | I can re try the steps and get you the specific error code |
| 17:46:34 | Calcipher | oh |
| 17:46:45 | rasher | Calcipher: you'll want to ask amiconn about that |
| 17:47:23 | Calcipher | would you be able to figure anything out from the error code? |
| 17:47:52 | Calcipher | both voices I tried that contained no spaces acted the same way, and gave the same long error code |
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| 17:48:43 | * | amiconn has no idea how that patch works |
| 17:48:58 | * | amiconn almost never uses the database |
| 17:49:04 | rasher | amiconn: It's not related to the patch, as far as I can tell |
| 17:49:16 | rasher | He's simply struggling with passing arguments to the sapi tts |
| 17:49:26 | karashata | though, I have to note here that while the line in is plugged in, outside of the recording screen, you can still hear the lower frequencies of whatever signal is being passed to line-in |
| 17:49:52 | karashata | like, the frequencies a sub-woofer would pick up |
| 17:50:40 | amiconn | rasher: It always works for me in plain svn. |
| 17:51:08 | amiconn | The only pitfall is when you want to use a voice with spaces in the name, then you need to put that whole argument in single quotes |
| 17:51:20 | rasher | Calcipher: take note −−^ |
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| 17:52:12 | rasher | Calcipher: I'll be off for a while, if you still have problems, but the error on a pastebin and post the link here with my nick in the same line, and I'll have a look when I get back |
| 17:52:22 | male | Is there a way to add an item to the settings menu without having to edit 100 different files? |
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| 17:52:46 | Calcipher | ok, I will do that rasher, thanks |
| 17:53:08 | jhMikeS | you have to edit about 150 files, so yes, there is :p |
| 17:53:38 | * | male bites his tongue |
| 17:53:41 | hanna-87 | I use rockbox since two days, and it seems that the history-function isn't working... all tracks appear in the list "never played" |
| 17:54:12 | GodEater | hanna-87: do you have "Gather runtime data" set to yes ? |
| 17:54:24 | hanna-87 | where can I find it? |
| 17:54:38 | GodEater | the manual is your friend.... |
| 17:54:39 | Calcipher | so amicon, in an instance where I need to specify sapi voice options I would use -S=/voice:VW Kate, so when you refer to the entire arguement what part of that do you mean |
| 17:55:22 | amiconn | I don't run voice.pl from the command line |
| 17:55:43 | amiconn | I use configure to configure a voice build, then 'make voice' |
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| 17:57:18 | Calcipher | so in that case wouldn't it act the same? |
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| 17:58:27 | hanna-87 | GodEater: thanks a lot |
| 17:58:43 | Calcipher | How about in the case of configure, how do you use a voice with spaces, can you show me an example so I can try that with voice.pl, since I was having the same issue under configure |
| 17:59:19 | PaulJam | hanna-87, GodEater: gather runtime data is currently broken |
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| 18:00:07 | GodEater | PaulJam: oh really ? since when ? |
| 18:00:08 | n1s | would anyone be against closing FS #8146? |
| 18:00:10 | GodEater | I must have missed that |
| 18:00:23 | PaulJam | since MoB |
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| 18:01:23 | linuxstb | n1s: Not at all... |
| 18:03:00 | amiconn | Calcipher: When configure asks for the tts options: '/voice:Microsoft Mary' /speed:1 |
| 18:03:08 | hanna-87 | I have enabled gather runtime data, but still I have the same problem |
| 18:03:28 | Calcipher | oh I see, thanks |
| 18:03:35 | amiconn | Of course the speed is optional, just to illustrate where the single quotes have to go - around the whole /voice:blah parameter |
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| 18:06:14 | Calcipher | yeah, that doesn't work with voice.pl |
| 18:07:00 | Calcipher | would you be able to tell me what to edit in voice.pl to quick fix this issue? like stripwax did with configure |
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| 18:28:26 | n1s | markun: ping |
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| 18:30:49 | Calcipher | gotta go, unfortunately the line I edited from configure does not exist in voice.pl, so the steps won't work |
| 18:31:12 | barrywardell | karashata: that's great news :) |
| 18:32:12 | karashata | yeah, considering when I'd tested it only two or three builds after you made the commit that you thought fixed it it didn't work |
| 18:32:25 | markun | n1s: pong |
| 18:33:00 | karashata | there's still that small issue with the low frequencies still being heard from the line-in signal outside of the recording screen though, you may want to look into that... |
| 18:33:38 | n1s | markun: I was looking at FS #4878 and to me it seems like he only added chinese to the nimbus 14 font so it should go in, but I don't know the first thing about fonts etc... |
| 18:35:40 | markun | n1s: do you think it should replace the nimus 14 font? |
| 18:36:50 | n1s | markun: hmm, I must have misread, I thought he based it on our nimbus 14, so i don't know, but if they are similar/the same maybe |
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| 18:37:19 | markun | n1s: yes, it's based on our nimbus |
| 18:37:26 | n1s | btw is there any disadvantage in having extra glyphs you don't use in a font? |
| 18:38:44 | markun | n1s: if the font becomes bigger than the font buffer, rockbox will use cashing which slows font redering down quite a bit |
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| 18:43:07 | n1s | markun: so what do you think? should it go in? replace? |
| 18:43:36 | markun | I don't know. It's a bit of a frankenstein font, isn't it? |
| 18:50:37 | linuxstb | How does the caching work? Would a user who doesn't need the Chinese glyphs notice a difference? |
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| 18:51:42 | Crash91 | how does rockbox compare to the OF in terms of battery life on an ipod video/sansa |
| 18:52:35 | linuxstb | a lot worse/worse |
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| 18:53:44 | tuplanolla | but rockbox is really worth it :> |
| 18:54:21 | Crash91 | :) well i have installed it...lol just wanted to know which software to use on a a loooooong road trip |
| 18:54:41 | Crash91 | 4 days without charging so one has to be conservative |
| 18:54:48 | robin0800 | if I use a volume conditional to display the volume level and use this %s|110| the volume displayed only updates at the song end is this a bug? |
| 18:55:21 | Crash91 | why the %s at the end of the line |
| 18:55:36 | Crash91 | %s should be placed at the front, and means to scroll line... |
| 18:55:59 | Crash91 | paste the line you are having problems with |
| 18:57:54 | robin0800 | Crash91, Im assuming some sort of refresh is inhibited in scrolling lines |
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| 18:58:40 | linuxstb | Yes, scrolling lines can't have dynamic content - the wiki page says that. |
| 18:59:13 | Crash91 | hmmm, why would you want that line to scroll |
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| 19:00:58 | robin0800 | linuxstb, are you aware that if I use spaces they show over the album art see last nights irc for screen dumps |
| 19:02:07 | robin0800 | linuxstb,it seems you can't have dynamic content next album art |
| 19:03:38 | robin0800 | Crash91, I don't won't the line to scroll merly place dynamic content |
| 19:03:39 | male | Yeah, something is seriously won't with the album art display now. |
| 19:03:47 | male | s/won't/wrong/ |
| 19:05:08 | male | I've got album art on the left of my WPS and some dynamic stuff (position in song) right justified on the right. Those lines clear the album art now. |
| 19:05:28 | male | Whereas with the album_art patch this worked fine. |
| 19:05:31 | linuxstb | I guess the problem is Nico_P's change to make album-art static, rather than dynamic. |
| 19:06:08 | robin0800 | linuxstb, can it be changed back? |
| 19:06:34 | linuxstb | It _can_ be. I don't know if it's a good idea though - logically, album-art is static... |
| 19:06:57 | male | The perhaps the text drawing logic should be smarter. |
| 19:07:00 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:07:24 | male | And only clear what's necessary. |
| 19:07:34 | n1s | I somehow get the feeling that the wps displaying code has outgrown its current implementation... |
| 19:08:11 | male | Also, with the album_art patch you could overlay text on the album art. |
| 19:08:47 | male | Why can't the album art be painted onto the backdrop anyway? |
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| 19:09:19 | n1s | male: it probably _can_ be done but it would be a hack... |
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| 19:09:37 | * | Crash91 doesnt want to unembed all his art from his mp3s and then convert them to appropriately-sized bmps...then palce them in the right location and then have to go through getting it to work with his WPS |
| 19:09:38 | n1s | also what happens if the next track has no AA |
| 19:09:56 | male | Crash91: Write a script. |
| 19:09:58 | scorche|w | Crash91: then dont... |
| 19:10:00 | male | That what I have. |
| 19:10:06 | robin0800 | linuxstb,well as it stands you can only use justification to disply dynamic content next to album art a rather limetting thing I think |
| 19:10:09 | male | My syncing script does it all for me. |
| 19:10:09 | Crash91 | i havent :) |
| 19:10:13 | * | n1s has no album art at all and is happy that way, and is grumoy too |
| 19:10:27 | n1s | s/grumoy/grumpy |
| 19:10:32 | Crash91 | male: does it unembed as well? |
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| 19:10:57 | linuxstb | robin0800: It is, and that's why we all want viewports, although no-one wants them enough to implement them... |
| 19:10:59 | male | Crash91: No. Embedding is lame and I use ogg/vorbis anyway. I have a .folder.png for each album. |
| 19:11:30 | n1s | linuxstb: can viewports layer ontop of each other? |
| 19:11:38 | Crash91 | yeah well WMP embeds everything for me automatically |
| 19:11:50 | male | WMP? |
| 19:11:53 | Crash91 | and i want to be able to use the OF on my sansa...which doesnt support OGG |
| 19:11:58 | Crash91 | WindowsMediaPlayer |
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| 19:12:08 | hunz | hey there! |
| 19:12:12 | male | Oh. I forget that a lot of you guys are windows users. |
| 19:12:21 | Crash91 | lol...i use linux as well |
| 19:12:34 | Crash91 | but windows for some important software.. |
| 19:12:45 | male | Yeah, my script wouldn't work as a .bat |
| 19:12:58 | male | Give me Unix or give me death ;-) |
| 19:13:03 | robin0800 | Sync Toy is great |
| 19:13:08 | Crash91 | lol |
| 19:13:15 | Crash91 | yeah i use it a lot |
| 19:13:17 | Crash91 | nifty app |
| 19:13:52 | linuxstb | n1s: I guess they could... Although I think the implementation might be simpler if they didn't. |
| 19:14:00 | robin0800 | great for portable players |
| 19:14:22 | male | What are viewports good for anyway? |
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| 19:15:09 | Crash91 | robin0800: i use WMP to sync to my player, but i use synctoy to sync my homework files on my USB :) |
| 19:15:12 | male | I don't think there needs to be a whole new arch. just to paint album art. |
| 19:15:21 | n1s | male: when you say that drawing should be smarter, viewports is a concept we want (someone) to implement to make it smarter/better |
| 19:15:28 | scorche|w | it isnt just to paint album art... |
| 19:15:31 | linuxstb | male: Defining windows on the screen which you can draw into without affecting the rest of the screen. |
| 19:15:36 | n1s | male: it's not just for album art |
| 19:15:37 | male | Yes. I get it. |
| 19:15:44 | male | I just don't get how it applies to the WPS. |
| 19:15:59 | male | There's some text, a pb, and maybe album art. |
| 19:16:10 | scorche|w | male: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ViewPorts |
| 19:16:14 | male | That's limited enough to be handled with special cases. |
| 19:16:34 | n1s | male: special cases are the beginning of the end :) |
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| 19:17:51 | amiconn | linuxstb, n1s: Viewports (as I imagine them) could overlap each other, but there will be no backing store. So the last drawing "wins" |
| 19:18:13 | male | Yeah. I'm of the curses camp. |
| 19:18:22 | male | I think simple layering can do a lot. |
| 19:19:05 | n1s | amiconn: two questions, is everything in a viewport even background and will they support transparency (as you imagine them)? |
| 19:19:06 | amiconn | There will also be no notion of a z order |
| 19:19:41 | amiconn | A viewport is simply a rectangle you draw to, with coordinate transposition and clipping |
| 19:20:14 | linuxstb | amiconn: Apart from the WPS, what other uses do you see for viewports? |
| 19:20:20 | * | jhMikeS will then proceed to add overlapped clipping (but not to simple child ones) |
| 19:20:23 | male | If the purpose of viewports is to have something like the mockup on that wiki page, then I don't think it's worth the effort. |
| 19:20:32 | amiconn | Not *taht* simple though - a viewport will also remember a set of parameters - background & foreground colour, drawing mode etc |
| 19:21:43 | amiconn | Could also include font (if multi-font support gets added - markun?), font style (I think adding algorithmic emboldening will be fairly simple) and other stuff |
| 19:22:00 | linuxstb | amiconn: Also, have you thought about how the API would look? e.g. would all the lcd_* functions be changed to take a viewport id? |
| 19:22:26 | amiconn | The algorithmic emboldening will probably come with a text drawing optimisation I am thinking about for quite a while now |
| 19:22:35 | * | ender` yawns |
| 19:22:51 | amiconn | linuxstb: I thought about setting a current viewport. The lcd functions would not change at all |
| 19:22:54 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: that's the approach id take myself |
| 19:23:14 | amiconn | This way the number of parameters to pass is kept small |
| 19:23:29 | jhMikeS | current viewport = thread nightmare |
| 19:23:35 | amiconn | huh? |
| 19:23:43 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I was thinking about that... And I guess you normally perform a sequence of commands on the same viewport. |
| 19:23:44 | amiconn | Only one thread is allowed to use the lcd |
| 19:23:57 | amiconn | That is the gui thread |
| 19:24:06 | amiconn | Hence, no threading problems |
| 19:24:09 | jhMikeS | that's a bad decision in every possible regard |
| 19:24:30 | amiconn | I disagree |
| 19:24:39 | hunz | is bjorn stenberg (zagor) here sometimes? |
| 19:24:41 | jhMikeS | anything I'd implement would be secure even for COP |
| 19:25:04 | linuxstb | hunz: Yes he is. |
| 19:25:07 | amiconn | The viewport id would simply be the address of the viewport struct in memory, with the simplification that you can pass NULL if you want the default viewport (full screen) |
| 19:25:08 | jhMikeS | dealing with the threading is simple |
| 19:25:29 | hunz | linuxstb: ah great - with nickname zagor? when's usually the best time to meet him? |
| 19:25:36 | jhMikeS | sure, NULL for screen makes sense |
| 19:25:39 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Is it? I don't think so. What thread would receive the button events if there is more than one? |
| 19:25:57 | amiconn | And I really don't see why we need more than one |
| 19:26:16 | bertrik | hunz: I suppose you are going to ask him when USB is done? :) |
| 19:26:30 | hunz | bertrik: no I'd see if I can help a bit |
| 19:26:31 | linuxstb | hunz: Yes, as Zagor. He seems to be around randomly... You can check the IRC logs if you want to track him... |
| 19:26:42 | hunz | linuxstb: k - thnx! |
| 19:26:46 | jhMikeS | for the UI input it would be single, but for drawing into one, it would be freethreaded |
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| 19:27:03 | linuxstb | hunz: Or maybe email the developers mailing list |
| 19:27:10 | amiconn | jhMikeS: why?? |
| 19:27:21 | hunz | linuxstb: hm I don't really like mailinglists :) |
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| 19:28:21 | jhMikeS | because it's perfectly practical to want to draw on other threads...heck mpegplayer does it quite bit, but the serialization is there by taking turns. |
| 19:28:35 | amiconn | I cannot imagine what this would be good for. Sure, you can pass around lcd control in special cases (for instance the grayscale lib does that) but having more than one thread dealing with the lcd seem just silly |
| 19:28:53 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: So you want lots of threads drawing in lots of overlapping viewports at the same time? |
| 19:29:29 | linuxstb | and threads creating and destroying viewports... |
| 19:29:30 | jhMikeS | one thread, two threads, 1000000, it's really easy to manage just drawing |
| 19:29:39 | amiconn | I think that designing the lcd api for multithreading would be overengineering the world, wasting binsize, speed etc |
| 19:29:43 | jhMikeS | threads wouldn't manage, create or destroy them |
| 19:29:54 | amiconn | The api, and code, needs to be *lightweight* |
| 19:30:17 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: So how would viewports be created or destroyed? |
| 19:30:18 | amiconn | This is not windows, or linux, this is rockbox |
| 19:30:19 | jhMikeS | not much to it really |
| 19:31:20 | jhMikeS | some things aren't secured properly now and I sure hate creating awkware stuff to bend over for single threads. radio drivers operate on multiple threads already which _could_ cause problems. |
| 19:31:26 | hunz | amiconn: I second that opinion |
| 19:31:29 | amiconn | Also, normal viewports wouldn't be "created" or "destroyed" |
| 19:31:44 | amiconn | The only special handling is needed for the case of scrolling text |
| 19:31:48 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: by the UI thread |
| 19:32:51 | * | jhMikeS doesn't understand the aversion to threading anyway...hardly a huge binsize issue at that if at all. |
| 19:33:20 | amiconn | huh? |
| 19:33:31 | amiconn | Too bad that we don't keep a binsize delta log |
| 19:34:41 | jhMikeS | well, if you're counting dual core in that in addition to properly implementing it's foundation of course that's bigger. a richer kernel can save on it later though. |
| 19:35:49 | male | What makes people thing that lightweight, small-footprint software has to be an ugly mess? Good APIs and factoring result in SMALLER code. |
| 19:35:50 | amiconn | I hate implementing stuff (and hence also waste binsize) "just in case" |
| 19:35:55 | male | s/thing/think/ |
| 19:36:22 | amiconn | KISS, and if we really need multi-threaded access, that could be though about later. But I'm 99% sure that we don't need it for the lcd api |
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| 19:37:48 | male | GUIs are generally single threaded (in terms of drawing) |
| 19:38:14 | * | jhMikeS doesn't understand the "just in case" thing. frameworking "just in case" and leaving it open for that is good though. |
| 19:39:53 | amiconn | You suggested that we should pass around an additional parameter, just in case the lcd api would be used from multiple threads |
| 19:39:59 | jhMikeS | windows are single threaded, drawing generally isn't though. |
| 19:40:34 | amiconn | But it isn't, and almost certainly won't |
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| 19:41:26 | amiconn | Additional parameters are costly, especially if they push the function over the regparm limit on arm and sh |
| 19:41:37 | jhMikeS | an additional parameter has nothing to do with threads. just clipping and also allowing multiple overlapped ports to be visible (as a splash might be displayed over the WPS while is draws underneath). |
| 19:42:53 | amiconn | [19:21:59] <linuxstb> amiconn: Also, have you thought about how the API would look? e.g. would all the lcd_* functions be changed to take a viewport id? |
| 19:42:55 | amiconn | [19:22:53] <jhMikeS> linuxstb: that's the approach id take myself |
| 19:43:04 | amiconn | ^ additional parameter |
| 19:43:32 | jhMikeS | it's not _just_ a threading consideration is what I'm saying. |
| 19:44:22 | jhMikeS | we could pull alot of params away with bitmap headers and I'm sure save a good number of bytes |
| 19:45:26 | amiconn | That applies only to the functions dealing with bitmaps |
| 19:46:21 | amiconn | Plus, saving bytes in one place doesn't judge wasting them in another place |
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| 19:46:45 | amiconn | Note that I mean 'wasting' not 'using them for a good purpose' |
| 19:47:30 | jhMikeS | I never waste...and usually get to attempting something in a more efficient manner once I've stepped away from the initial implementation and can consider alternatives. |
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| 19:53:43 | jhMikeS | the trick with this stuff is making is making it do every cool thing you want it to with as little as you need to do it...as little as logic can possibly allow (hard to prove objectively however). |
| 19:54:18 | bertrik | "as simple as possible, as complex as necessary" |
| 19:54:36 | linuxstb | amiconn: Thinking about your idea for viewports (a concept of current viewport), where would the viewport structs be defined? Would they be defined statically in apps/ code, and then you pass a pointer to the current viewport struct to the lcd driver with something like lcd_set_viewport() ? |
| 19:54:37 | amiconn | Another example for generic frameworking (not 100% valid though): I wonder when, or even if ever, the multicore support will be put to use (other than in mpegplayer) |
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| 19:55:01 | amiconn | linuxstb: yes, eaxactly |
| 19:55:03 | Crash91 | rockbox resizes-on-the-fly right? |
| 19:55:08 | Crash91 | video i mean |
| 19:55:31 | amiconn | This way, static viewport structs could even be const, and hence reside in rom with rombox |
| 19:55:32 | linuxstb | amiconn: So the scroll_info struct would just contain a pointer to the viewport struct current at the time the scrolling line was drawn? |
| 19:55:35 | karashata | Crash91: no it doesn't, least last time I checked |
| 19:56:02 | Crash91 | wow...linuxstb and amiconn have to stop talking at exactly the same time... |
| 19:56:16 | Crash91 | the past 30s was pretty freaky |
| 19:56:17 | n1s | Crash91: good quality no-the-fly resizing is very expensive |
| 19:56:45 | Crash91 | if i convert a youtube-res vid to mpg..will it resize? |
| 19:57:00 | Crash91 | im talking about >350*350 here |
| 19:57:06 | amiconn | No it won't |
| 19:57:46 | Crash91 | damn |
| 19:58:07 | Lear | Hrm, rbclient at bygg.haxx.se lacks SDL, it seems... |
| 19:58:54 | Crash91 | i converted a video with vlc-transcode.bat and the audio lags...anything i can to to remedy this? |
| 20:00 |
| 20:01:07 | linuxstb | Do you have the "Limit FPS" option turned on? |
| 20:01:12 | linuxstb | (in mpegplayer) |
| 20:01:21 | Crash91 | hmm...IIRC..no |
| 20:01:28 | * | Crash91 checks |
| 20:01:36 | n1s | Lear: as regular builds failed too something seems very wrong with it |
| 20:01:46 | n1s | (it being the server, bygg.haxx.se |
| 20:01:52 | linuxstb | Crash91: It's off by default, and should only be turned on for testing. |
| 20:02:03 | linuxstb | Crash91: Reverse what I just said... |
| 20:02:09 | Crash91 | oh..its wasnt on...thanks :) |
| 20:02:26 | Crash91 | whats about skip frames |
| 20:02:29 | amiconn | Slasheri: around? |
| 20:02:38 | Crash91 | s/whats/what |
| 20:02:40 | linuxstb | Crash91: That should be on as well. |
| 20:02:45 | Lear | Yep, "limits.h" missing... |
| 20:02:45 | PaulPosition | Question - browsing the irc log, I see lots of references to resizing images.. that's .bmp and related to AA, right? Wouldn't it be a waste of time when there's the jpeg viewer code, (or is jpeg for AA a "will not ever happen" thing?) |
| 20:03:03 | PaulPosition | (I'm not demanding anything, just very curious...) |
| 20:03:07 | Crash91 | w00t |
| 20:03:09 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: The jpeg viewer code can't resize either... |
| 20:03:15 | PaulPosition | oh. :o |
| 20:03:18 | * | amiconn wants a 'test' option in mpegplayer replacing those 3 options |
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| 20:03:48 | * | Crash91 thinks amiconn should submit a patch then |
| 20:03:55 | jhMikeS | amiconn: test option? |
| 20:04:12 | linuxstb | amiconn: I agree. But even better would be to remove the display FPS, and display stats at the end of the video. |
| 20:04:19 | jhMikeS | you mean skip/limit...and ?? |
| 20:04:25 | linuxstb | Show FPS |
| 20:04:28 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes, one option that enables 'Show FPS', and disables frame skip and fps limiting |
| 20:05:10 | amiconn | Or better, output fps (and potentially other stats) at the end |
| 20:05:23 | preglow | oh yes |
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| 20:05:25 | preglow | that would be great |
| 20:06:08 | jhMikeS | do we abort the FPS test when the video thread wraps around the buffer? |
| 20:06:08 | amiconn | The archos video player (video.rock) shows stats in the end. By default it only does if something went wrong during playback (buffer underrun, audio/video sync problem etc) |
| 20:06:09 | * | n1s wonders if anyone told buildserver owning people to rebuild arm-elf-gcc (re: kkurbjuns commit) |
| 20:06:23 | Crash91 | what is the hold switch on the sansa sim? |
| 20:06:29 | amiconn | There's a #define that can be activated that makes it always display stats at the end |
| 20:06:49 | PaulJam | Crash91: try h or j |
| 20:07:02 | jhMikeS | if the video ouput is slow, audio might wrap around and have to wait for video too |
| 20:07:06 | Crash91 | neityher |
| 20:07:11 | n1s | amiconn: jhMikeS, the stats could be show whenever stop is pressed too so it doesn't force you to watch the whole clip... |
| 20:07:29 | Crash91 | oh/...h |
| 20:07:36 | Crash91 | thanks |
| 20:07:39 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I'd say that in such a case mpegplayer should stop completely (and display stats if requested) |
| 20:07:42 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - Errr... jpegs seems *very* resized on my H10 when I open them... (???) |
| 20:07:49 | jhMikeS | I suppose it would do that but when one stream wraps around and has to wait...it messes up the stats |
| 20:07:51 | preglow | n1s: there was a message on the ml |
| 20:07:56 | hunz | ha! now the playback screen of my sansa is black with a white "arschgeweih" on it :-) |
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| 20:08:06 | Lear | n1s: And in the forums as well. |
| 20:08:06 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: Yes, but only by fixed multiples of 2 - i.e. 50%, 25% etc |
| 20:08:08 | amiconn | PaulPosition, linuxstb: jpeg can resize to certain special factors |
| 20:08:18 | n1s | preglow, lear: ah ok :) |
| 20:08:22 | amiconn | That's a feature of jpeg decoding |
| 20:08:24 | linuxstb | s/multiples/powers/ |
| 20:08:27 | PaulPosition | Ah I see... Yes, now it's obvious. |
| 20:08:33 | jhMikeS | half-harmonic multiples I take it |
| 20:08:37 | amiconn | 1/2, 1/4 and 1/8 |
| 20:08:48 | preglow | i would hope bagder has the mail addresses of all the build server dudes too |
| 20:08:51 | PaulPosition | It doesn't interpolate (or whatever the real technical name)... |
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| 20:09:10 | amiconn | PaulPosition: correct, although that's something I'd like to add |
| 20:09:21 | * | linuxstb wonders if the gigabeat would be able to do that with mpeg video... |
| 20:09:30 | jhMikeS | I thought we did a rescaling by removing higher coefficients |
| 20:09:32 | amiconn | 'Zoom in' should never interpolate as that makes the image blurry |
| 20:09:32 | preglow | well, that is really bandlimited interpolation |
| 20:10:19 | amiconn | But the unzoomed view should use the nearest resolution that's larger than the lcd instead of smaller, and then scale down to fit |
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| 20:10:29 | preglow | what's up with the build table currently? |
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| 20:11:01 | jhMikeS | preglow: DCT coefficients are half-harmonics so ummm...why aren't more levels available? |
| 20:11:08 | amiconn | preglow: (1) bygg.haxx.se seems to have problems (2) most build servers need updating arm-elf-gcc with the multilibs patch |
| 20:11:09 | preglow | amiconn: i was playing around with an idea of the jpeg viewer having an extra thread that decodes scaled pictures in the background |
| 20:11:20 | preglow | jhMikeS: because none have coded it |
| 20:11:32 | preglow | amiconn: even for non mrobe builds? |
| 20:11:43 | jhMikeS | hmmm...if I mess with that I'll add progressive support too |
| 20:11:53 | amiconn | No, (2) only affects the m:robe |
| 20:12:25 | amiconn | preglow: That might be nice, but you will probably need to keep it optional with a #define, because it probably won't fit into archos plugin ram |
| 20:13:59 | pixelma | one of the haxx servers were 64-bit, maybe it's that? |
| 20:14:23 | amiconn | Hmm, about the first thing that should be done with the jpeg viewer is to split the source into several files |
| 20:14:35 | linuxstb | Speaking of which, is there any reason for flash targets to have such a large audio buffer? Couldn't that RAM be better used by plugins like the jpeg viewer? |
| 20:14:47 | * | jhMikeS can second that point |
| 20:14:53 | n1s | pixelma: that one is 64 bit but it's missing basic headers and failing sim builds too so something has broken... |
| 20:15:24 | amiconn | linuxstb: The jpeg viewer has to use the main buffer too - for the images |
| 20:16:15 | linuxstb | amiconn: I mean increase the plugin buffer size to (e.g. 10MB), so that there is enough room there for images. |
| 20:16:30 | jhMikeS | ! |
| 20:16:39 | amiconn | 10MB? On archos?? |
| 20:16:48 | linuxstb | No, on flash codecs with lots of RAM. |
| 20:17:04 | linuxstb | s/codecs/targets/ |
| 20:17:17 | pixelma | logik, ifp?? ;) |
| 20:17:22 | linuxstb | sansa, nano,... |
| 20:17:46 | male | Yeah. I feel that most of the RAM on my Nano is being wasted. |
| 20:18:34 | preglow | somehow i don't... |
| 20:18:40 | jhMikeS | by the OF it surely is |
| 20:18:44 | amiconn | hmmm |
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| 20:19:02 | amiconn | Perhaps, but I don't really like the idea |
| 20:19:12 | preglow | i think that particular idea sounds too... brute force |
| 20:19:21 | amiconn | Perhaps need to think about it a bit more, but that sounds like heavy special-casing |
| 20:19:28 | preglow | it would be cooler if plugins could dynamically allocate parts of the file buffer |
| 20:19:48 | jhMikeS | *l* |
| 20:19:52 | preglow | just one part to make it easy on the playback engine, of course |
| 20:19:54 | amiconn | I prefer the current all-or-nothing approach |
| 20:20:13 | amiconn | You would introduce malloc through the back door |
| 20:20:19 | jhMikeS | Ask Malloc on Buffer for a handle |
| 20:20:34 | preglow | amiconn: i don't think so, you would only be able to ask for one block at the end of the playback buffer |
| 20:20:53 | preglow | amiconn: one problem would be that playback would have to be able to backtrack what it has done to the buffer |
| 20:21:07 | preglow | so it can rebuffer tracks it's throwing out |
| 20:21:11 | preglow | so it might not be very simple |
| 20:21:48 | amiconn | What if it's currently playing that track? |
| 20:21:54 | jhMikeS | preglow: is this to _not_ stop playback in the process? |
| 20:22:04 | preglow | jhMikeS: sure :) |
| 20:22:19 | preglow | would be little point in doing it if not, miught as well just shut down playback and still the whole buffer then |
| 20:22:51 | jhMikeS | it would be easy to take part of the buffer and restart playback too...already possible |
| 20:23:07 | preglow | yeah, but very disruptive |
| 20:23:13 | preglow | not very elegant from a user perspective |
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| 20:23:23 | preglow | there's no reason wathcing a couple of photos should restart playback |
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| 20:24:39 | amiconn | Hmm, I wonder *what* might be wrong on bygg.haxx.se |
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| 20:25:00 | amiconn | It tried including limits.h from a host path - but for target builds |
| 20:25:03 | jhMikeS | preglow: at least it could retart instead of being disabled until you stop viewing oversized images |
| 20:25:34 | amiconn | (see Rec 8MB and H300) |
| 20:25:39 | preglow | well, sure, beats what we currently do, but not very elegant |
| 20:25:55 | amiconn | Plugins are not the man purpose of rockbox |
| 20:26:38 | jhMikeS | the 'man purpose' ... haha |
| 20:26:53 | amiconn | *main |
| 20:27:03 | amiconn | blurf |
| 20:27:11 | clark_ | good night world I am french sorry for my bad english |
| 20:27:47 | * | jhMikeS will usually laugh at some lewd-sounding typo |
| 20:27:52 | kclaf | french ppl suck, esp when they come from nancy |
| 20:28:15 | clark_ | kclaf, why?? |
| 20:28:28 | scorche|w | kclaf: ...eh? |
| 20:28:30 | preglow | amiconn: sure they're not, but people are expecting to be able to watch photos on their daps these days, we shouldn't stubbornly chant "rockbox is for audio" and disregard doing something well because of that |
| 20:28:37 | kclaf | kidding ;) |
| 20:29:08 | clark_ | kclaf, oki : ) |
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| 20:29:15 | amiconn | preglow: They can do that in rockbox... and afaik better than many OFs |
| 20:29:36 | clark_ | I have a problem with rockbox |
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| 20:30:01 | amiconn | Note that I didn't really try many OFs, but what I've seen in those I tried is that you need to switch to a photo mode, which implies stopping playback |
| 20:30:36 | PaulPosition | clark - proceed with your question(s), then :) |
| 20:31:12 | clark_ | When I use Ipodpatcher for scanning my Ipod, it doesn't recognize my ipod |
| 20:31:23 | scorche|w | what is your ipod? |
| 20:31:31 | scorche|w | (in regards to generation) |
| 20:31:55 | clark_ | Ipod classic 80Go 6th generation |
| 20:32:16 | scorche|w | rockbox doesnt work on that device.. |
| 20:32:18 | PaulPosition | Classic aren't supported, as far as I know... |
| 20:32:21 | scorche|w | as our front page clearly says ;) |
| 20:32:46 | clark_ | scorche, really?? It's serious?? |
| 20:33:02 | scorche|w | is there a reason it should lie? |
| 20:33:08 | PaulPosition | clark - hardware is different, and the software is heavily encrypted from what I could understand.. |
| 20:33:30 | scorche|w | and by different, he means "totally and completely different" |
| 20:33:46 | preglow | amiconn: i agree, but not while playing music |
| 20:33:52 | jhMikeS | it's a conspiracy and the trilateral commission and masons are in on it |
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| 20:34:02 | preglow | anyway, i realize it's not an easy problem to solve |
| 20:34:03 | amiconn | preglow: ?? |
| 20:34:14 | preglow | 20:29 < amiconn> preglow: They can do that in rockbox... and afaik better than |
| 20:34:14 | preglow | many OFs |
| 20:34:20 | clark_ | and it will be work in the future?? |
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| 20:34:34 | scorche|w | clark_: no one is working on it, so it is impossible to say |
| 20:34:54 | amiconn | Yes. You can view images while music is playing (on big-ram targets), provided those images are small enough |
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| 20:35:35 | * | jhMikeS suggests a magic 8 ball java app to ask questions to about when ports will be done |
| 20:36:11 | scorche|w | jhMikeS: only as long as it has various variations of "impossible to be determined" |
| 20:36:16 | scorche|w | and java?...ugh |
| 20:36:23 | scorche|w | ;) |
| 20:36:39 | clark_ | scorche which deception for me that it doesn't work snif |
| 20:36:57 | * | n1s suggests a feature for ipodpatcher/rbutil to make them tell the users they have an unsupported device when they do |
| 20:36:58 | jhMikeS | scorche|w: I thought that pretty much was those contained :) |
| 20:37:07 | scorche|w | clark_: not sure what you are saying... |
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| 20:37:46 | clark_ | scorche, I am sad that that doesn't work |
| 20:37:59 | PaulPosition | scorche - deception (french) == disappointment. |
| 20:38:04 | scorche|w | clark_: alright, but that really doesnt change the current situation |
| 20:38:16 | clark_ | lol yes |
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| 20:38:31 | scorche|w | PaulPosition: yeah...i took 3 years of french, but it just didnt connect till now |
| 20:39:05 | clark_ | thank you for your help goodbye world |
| 20:39:08 | amiconn | clark_: Someone with both enough desire and knowledge needs to step ahead, otherwise it'll never happen |
| 20:39:58 | preglow | arghgh |
| 20:40:01 | preglow | how i hate hacking makefiles |
| 20:40:37 | clark_ | amiconn, really, you are right |
| 20:40:44 | PaulPosition | Indeed... And since the platform is new, even with desirous, knowledgable people, it (a port of rockbox) probably would be far from complete. |
| 20:41:19 | clark_ | see you soon |
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| 20:41:27 | jhMikeS | preglow: makefiles are _fun_ programming. I could work on them all day. :) |
| 20:41:31 | * | amiconn needs to build a new arm-elf-gcc for cygwin |
| 20:41:31 | PaulPosition | clark - bonsoir. |
| 20:41:39 | amiconn | That'll take quite a while... :/ |
| 20:41:51 | preglow | jhMikeS: elite! make apps/ build a libspees-voice.a, please :) |
| 20:42:03 | preglow | jhMikeS: define ROCKBOX_VOICE_CODEC and call the speex makefile |
| 20:42:08 | jhMikeS | argharhghghg |
| 20:42:22 | clark_ | PaulPosition, you are a french guy?? |
| 20:42:47 | jhMikeS | #define ROCKBOX_VOICE_CODEC ... speex makefile, where are you? |
| 20:44:09 | preglow | jhMikeS: oh, i'm just telling you what you need to know from my side of town, the ordinary speex makefile should do for making libspeex-voice.a too, just define that. it's not commited yet, but it will work eventually :) |
| 20:44:47 | preglow | probably will work fine now too, just drag along a ton of unneeded stuff |
| 20:44:50 | PaulPosition | clark - Quebecois, plutot.. |
| 20:45:35 | clark_ | PaulPosition, tabernac il caille chez toi! |
| 20:45:37 | jhMikeS | hmmm....well, there is a list of -D junk |
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| 20:56:15 | salty-horse | hi. any sansa devs around? |
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| 21:10:47 | desowin | salty-horse: I suggest you just to ask what you want |
| 21:12:18 | salty-horse | k. using a build from a few weeks ago, I noticed lots of freezes yesterday while playing mp3 songs. sometimes it will freeze mid-song, and sometimes the keys would be responsive "play" would play nothing. (it will just switch from paused<->play in the OSD, but nothing will happen) −− how can I debug those, and figure out what's causing it? |
| 21:13:10 | pixelma | male: reading the logs a bit... did you try to put the %C tag for displaying the album art at the end of your wps on a line that wouldn't be on screen anymore? That seems to fix the problem with the lines that are drawn above the album art for me but I just played around a bit so far... |
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| 21:15:02 | PaulPosition | salty-horse - Best would be to first try updating .rockbox with a current build. But user-interface slowdowns *could* be cause by using too much Equaliser bands, along with crossfeed, dithering and other 'effects'... |
| 21:15:17 | pixelma | salty-horse: please pdate to a current build first, there were issues with freezing on Sansa when metadata on buffer was commited, should be fixed now. What good is it to report bugs with old builds that are possibly be fixed by now |
| 21:15:29 | male | pixelma: I'm not sure I understand. |
| 21:15:46 | male | pixelma: My %C is before all the other stuff, which is what worked best with the original album_art patch. |
| 21:16:27 | male | pixelma: So you have dynamic lines next to your album art without clearing it? |
| 21:21:37 | pixelma | I have sublines to the left of the album art (the pic is on the right). In the beginning it was as if the line was drawn all the way to the right, clearing the album art in this place. I have the %C now at the end of my wps and it works somehow, but maybe it's not completely comparable to your situation if you have a lot of spaces in the beginning of the line... *shrug* |
| 21:22:33 | male | pixelma: I'll try it. |
| 21:23:23 | male | Actually now that I look at it. I have the %C after the lines in question. |
| 21:23:47 | male | Which are al %ar |
| 21:23:47 | male | all |
| 21:24:34 | male | pixelma: But your %C is at the VERY end? |
| 21:25:29 | male | Hmm. Doesn't help. |
| 21:26:00 | pixelma | yes (to your question) but no further ideas then |
| 21:26:38 | male | I'll probably just revert the commit that caused this. |
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| 21:37:08 | preglow | jhMikeS: done yet? :> |
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| 21:39:29 | male | Ahh. Reverted the commit. Everything looks great now. |
| 21:39:32 | jhMikeS | preglow: falling asleep? nope...still awake. I have no idea with the makefile stuff. I'd think it could be a -D in apps/makefile or something |
| 21:39:54 | linuxstb | male: Which commit? Making %C static? |
| 21:39:54 | male | Except... What's up with *PANIC* Updating size on empty dir entry 53? |
| 21:39:59 | male | linuxstb: Yeah. |
| 21:40:32 | male | I've dosfsck'd the drive. |
| 21:40:34 | preglow | jhMikeS: makesfiles just strangle my will to work on anything |
| 21:40:38 | preglow | i absolutely bloody hate them |
| 21:40:41 | male | But I still get this error failry often. |
| 21:41:14 | jhMikeS | preglow: ay...focus on the goal, not the task. :) |
| 21:41:21 | amiconn | linuxstb: Somehow I cannot get a new arm-elf-gcc installed on cygwin. Applied th epatch, configured gcc, called 'make' and 'make install' (with administrative rights). No error message, but also no multilibs... |
| 21:41:47 | linuxstb | amiconn: Strange... |
| 21:41:50 | * | jhMikeS doesn't see anyone else jumping out of the woodwork to help with makefiles either |
| 21:43:36 | salty-horse | pixelma, haven't noticed any sansa fixes since my last build, but I'll try |
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| 21:43:45 | jhMikeS | someone with more of a clue must be around sometime...I'm actually exhausted atm. |
| 21:44:31 | amiconn | linuxstb: All it does is to install a bunch of LC_MESSAGES, fixincl, mkheaders, and libiberty.a |
| 21:44:34 | pixelma | salty-horse: many of these things are not target specific... |
| 21:44:48 | amiconn | For many folders, 'make install' just says 'nothing to be done for install' |
| 21:45:04 | amiconn | But my old arm-elf-gcc is from July... |
| 21:45:28 | linuxstb | amiconn: Thinking about viewports again, I'm assuming we will want them on charcell, and the unit is 1 character (similar to the current margins) ? |
| 21:45:37 | amiconn | yes |
| 21:45:40 | linuxstb | amiconn: So the new gcc was installed, just not with multilibs? |
| 21:45:45 | amiconn | No |
| 21:45:50 | preglow | jhMikeS: speex is basically ready to start including in the core, i just need to make it happen |
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| 21:45:54 | amiconn | Just a few accompanying files were installed |
| 21:46:07 | preglow | jhMikeS: so i can work on stuff like iram allocation, etc |
| 21:46:20 | amiconn | Umm, my current arm-elf-gcc is even from July 2006 |
| 21:47:12 | amiconn | The bad thing is that if I scrap my whole /opt/arm dir, I need to rebuild binutils as well :( |
| 21:47:44 | jhMikeS | preglow: sure but I need some rest and manic energy to fsck with that then maybe I'll try to get on the make development team. :) |
| 21:48:02 | preglow | jhMikeS: oh, no worries, wasn't trying to prod you along |
| 21:48:07 | preglow | i'm not working on makesfiles now anyway :P |
| 21:48:12 | preglow | plenty of other stuff to hang onto |
| 21:48:20 | jhMikeS | prodding you is only _my_ right :) |
| 21:49:15 | Nico_P | male: can you identify the line that is being drawn over the AA? |
| 21:49:44 | jhMikeS | preglow: just need rest...I'm too tired to even work on my own crap now |
| 21:50:00 | amiconn | Meh, will try that now |
| 21:50:30 | male | Nico_P: What do you mean? |
| 21:50:48 | Nico_P | male: your AA has a line being drawn over it, right? |
| 21:51:01 | male | Nico_P: Yes. |
| 21:51:14 | Nico_P | male: you should be able to find which one it is |
| 21:51:14 | male | Nico_P: More acurately it has the blank part of a line clearing it. |
| 21:51:26 | male | Nico_P: I know which one(s) it is. |
| 21:51:47 | Nico_P | what about using a margin? |
| 21:51:59 | male | Nico_P: Is that in svn now? |
| 21:52:02 | Nico_P | yes |
| 21:52:18 | Nico_P | %s|xmargin|, not %m |
| 21:52:32 | male | And this will work for right justified text? |
| 21:52:50 | Nico_P | male: it will work with any alignment |
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| 21:53:48 | Nico_P | male: the text will scroll between the left margin you defined and the right side and will even be centred in that box if you use %ac |
| 21:53:59 | male | Nico_P: This is not scrolling text. |
| 21:54:44 | Nico_P | male: would it hurt for it to scroll? if so, there is a "hack" to make AA dynamic instead of static: put it inside a dynamic conditinal |
| 21:55:07 | pixelma | Nico_P: yes it hurts in cases of dynamic info (like volume etc...) |
| 21:55:07 | male | No, it wouldn't hurt. |
| 21:55:16 | male | Oh, then it would. |
| 21:55:22 | male | Because these are all dynamic lines. |
| 21:55:36 | male | %pc %pr %px %pv... |
| 21:56:29 | Nico_P | well then use something like %?lh<|> |
| 21:56:34 | Nico_P | argh |
| 21:56:37 | Nico_P | well then use something like %?lh<% C|% C> |
| 21:56:46 | male | Is that the hold switch/ |
| 21:56:46 | PaulJam | hmm, strange. when i switch from a wps with albumart to one without, then parts of the text dissappear. but this does not happen when i switch to one of the included wps. |
| 21:57:02 | pixelma | ok, haven't tried with the margins but this is what I remember with putting volume information on a scrolling line |
| 21:58:48 | male | I suppose it wouldn't kill me to rearrange my WPS so that the AA is on the right like pixelma's. |
| 21:59:03 | male | But I'd really rather not. |
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| 22:01:28 | pixelma | Nico_P: putting display album art tag inside the hold switch conditianal helps avoiding that drawing problem? Maybe this is why mine works then... |
| 22:01:57 | PaulJam | %lh is the virtual hdd led |
| 22:02:11 | male | Ah. |
| 22:02:30 | PaulJam | not every target seems to heve that tag |
| 22:02:32 | pixelma | ah yes, sorry. But this forces a redraw or so? |
| 22:02:33 | male | pixelma: Why do you branch based on the hold switch? |
| 22:02:57 | Nico_P | pixelma: it forces the AA to redraw much more often |
| 22:03:01 | male | pixelma: An attempt to save cycles or are do doing something special? |
| 22:03:56 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I'm wondering whether we need a tag to allow margins without scrolling |
| 22:04:26 | pixelma | male: because I wanted to have more info on a small screen, but _this_ idea doesn't work as I wanted it currently (played around with album art on my c200 wps...) |
| 22:04:48 | pixelma | Nico_P: ok, that explains it then |
| 22:04:58 | male | pixelma: I wanted to do something similar, as the Nano's screen is useless for color with the BL off. |
| 22:06:21 | pixelma | the Nano's screen is one of the better colour screens as it is usually quite readable even without backlight |
| 22:06:53 | male | pixelma: Only if you shine the sun on it. |
| 22:07:16 | male | pixelma: Text with any color is unreadable. Only white works. |
| 22:07:28 | male | pixelma: I'd like to have a completely different WPS for when the BL is off. |
| 22:07:44 | male | pixelma: With a bigger font and different colors. |
| 22:08:34 | Nico_P | PaulJam: actually my suggestion (which is in fact yours) doesn't seem to work... |
| 22:09:13 | PaulJam | Nico_P: which target do you use? does it have the %lh tag? |
| 22:09:28 | Nico_P | hmm it's a sim so it probably doesn't... I'll try something else |
| 22:09:47 | PaulJam | i tried my wps in the ipodcolor sim and there the workaround doesn't work either |
| 22:09:59 | pixelma | I remember the %lh having no effect in a sin too |
| 22:09:59 | PaulJam | but in h300 sim it works |
| 22:10:01 | pixelma | *sim |
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| 22:10:17 | Nico_P | ok using %?mh works |
| 22:10:46 | Nico_P | but I must warn you that the when doing that, the AA is cleared and drawn on each WPS refresh |
| 22:11:42 | Nico_P | ...which is quite expensive |
| 22:11:56 | Lear | Is it really? |
| 22:12:21 | jhMikeS | preglow: are the #defines in place in SVN? I'll work it out later. |
| 22:12:42 | preglow | jhMikeS: nah, but they don't really need to be |
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| 22:12:46 | Nico_P | Lear: in comparison to what is done in the cass of having it static, yes, but I have no idea of the real cost (e.g. battery life or boost ratio) |
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| 22:13:06 | preglow | jhMikeS: there are a couple in SOURCES removing some files, and some in a couple of source files just disabling some stuff, they don't _need_ to be there |
| 22:13:34 | jhMikeS | ok, just get it to build an .a for the core and link it |
| 22:13:44 | preglow | myup |
| 22:13:51 | preglow | much like mpegplayer builds a libmad for itself |
| 22:14:19 | preglow | jhMikeS: should we keep this stuff out of svn until we've got something working, or? |
| 22:14:22 | Lear | Nico_P: Yes, certainly more than not doing it, but I was thinking more in absolute cycles. And it happens like 5 times per second (last time I checked anyway). |
| 22:14:42 | preglow | freqmod_nx: around? |
| 22:15:13 | Lear | Nothing, compared to audio decode and processing, I'd imagine. |
| 22:15:25 | jhMikeS | preglow: put it in SVN but disable the actual build and link and when it's ready to go enable? |
| 22:15:25 | Nico_P | Lear: yes but each time the AA is drawn or cleared we need to call bufgetdata, it's not as much of a trivial operation as doing it on a regular bitmap |
| 22:15:39 | preglow | jhMikeS: sure, i guess that part of it can go it |
| 22:15:44 | Nico_P | Lear: but yeah, not as intensive as many other things |
| 22:15:49 | Lear | It is? I got the impression it was stored in the WPS-local bitmap cache... |
| 22:15:55 | Nico_P | Lear: not anymore |
| 22:16:27 | amiconn | Lear, Nico_P: The actual cost largely depends on the target |
| 22:17:19 | Nico_P | PaulJam: male: anyway, I think there's no reason in making the AA tag dynamic in svn when it can be easily forced by the WPS if needed |
| 22:17:38 | amiconn | On a target which can only do 14fps fullscreen when not boosted, it makes a huge difference whether only a small part of the screen or a rather large part of the screen is redrawn 5 times per second |
| 22:17:40 | Nico_P | and there's no reason of patching either |
| 22:18:07 | jhMikeS | preglow: good, then it's just a maintenence of an #if 0 removal...I suppose I'll use the make of libmad for mpegplayer as an example |
| 22:18:24 | * | linuxstb starts work on viewports... |
| 22:18:28 | male | Nico_P: I'll try the workaround then. |
| 22:18:37 | preglow | linuxstb: what'll pretty much rework the lcd drivers, yes? |
| 22:18:54 | male | Nico_P: But still, I don't think it should be redrawn that often either. It needs to not be cleared in the first place. |
| 22:19:23 | Nico_P | male: when it's in a conditional I have to assume it needs to be cleared |
| 22:19:42 | linuxstb | preglow: I don't think the changes in the lcd drivers are going to be that much work. I think most of the work will be to adapt the apps code to use them. |
| 22:19:46 | male | But lets think about the real use of AA. |
| 22:19:47 | Nico_P | male: otherwise it's not when you need it to |
| 22:19:55 | male | It's in a little box and nothing ever touches it. |
| 22:20:11 | male | It should be part of the backdrop or otherwise regarded specially. |
| 22:20:13 | Nico_P | male: pixelma wanted AA to be dependant on hold |
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| 22:20:44 | male | Yeah, so if there's no %C active then don't apply the bounding box to the text. |
| 22:20:56 | male | It's not like you can move it around, can you? |
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| 22:21:10 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I (and I think JdGordon too) would be very interested in following the development and maybe even helping out |
| 22:21:18 | amiconn | grrrr! |
| 22:21:31 | Nico_P | amiconn: what? |
| 22:21:37 | Lear | Hm, bufgetdata doesn't look particularly expensive... |
| 22:21:44 | amiconn | binutils don't like me either |
| 22:21:55 | male | Yeah, I don't buy that drawing the AA is a big drain either. |
| 22:22:04 | male | I never noticed any increase in boost ratio. |
| 22:22:06 | Nico_P | it's probably not |
| 22:22:17 | Nico_P | male: what bounding box? |
| 22:22:41 | male | Nico_P: The one defined by %Cl. It should be respected by the text drawing. |
| 22:22:43 | amiconn | male: Well, if you're in the audio debug screen, you surely won't notice anything caused by changes in the wps |
| 22:22:49 | male | Nico_P: And not cleared. |
| 22:22:58 | amiconn | ...because then the wps code isn't running |
| 22:23:13 | male | amiconn: Excellent point. |
| 22:23:20 | male | amiconn: Silly me. |
| 22:24:15 | male | I suppose I assumed that the boost ratio was a running average. |
| 22:24:34 | Nico_P | male: the bounding box sometimes doesn't exist... and text isn't ajusted to it |
| 22:24:58 | Nico_P | male: maybe with viewports it will be possible, but right now I don't see how it could be done |
| 22:25:01 | amiconn | It is - starting when you enter the audio debug screen |
| 22:25:07 | Nico_P | AA behaves like any other bitmap |
| 22:25:15 | male | I don't think all the complication of viewports is necessary. |
| 22:25:25 | male | How about JUST "protected bitmaps"? |
| 22:25:44 | male | Applying a mask shouldn't be that difficult. |
| 22:25:53 | linuxstb | Nico_P: You could think about how viewports could be incorporated into the WPS syntax. I'm assuming we'll have a fixed-sized array of viewport structs, so the WPS author can define up to that number of viewports, and then there would be line-based drawing within those viewports. |
| 22:25:59 | male | Certainly easier than an entire widget/input framework. |
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| 22:26:14 | linuxstb | Who said there would be a widget/input framework? |
| 22:26:24 | amiconn | The viewports implementation (as I am imagining it) would be rather simple, and it will also be useful in other plcaes |
| 22:26:33 | Nico_P | linuxstb: maybe it's an occasion te rething the WPS syntax |
| 22:26:34 | amiconn | (like the dreaded quickscreens) |
| 22:26:38 | male | linuxstb: That's what the wiki page seemed to imply. |
| 22:26:46 | linuxstb | I haven't read the wiki page... |
| 22:27:45 | * | jhMikeS wants a more event driven framework...a widget/input framework is also better for touchscreen devices |
| 22:28:24 | linuxstb | amiconn: If I'm understanding your concept correctly, it's basically just collecting all the static variables (xmargin,ymargin,font,drawmode,fg_pattern,bg_pattern) in the lcd driver into a "viewport struct", and adding width,height? |
| 22:28:51 | male | The dyanmic workaround doesn't work for me. |
| 22:28:55 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:29:02 | male | I still get partial clearing. |
| 22:29:18 | amiconn | Adjusting the clipping in the various drawing functions should be fairly simple |
| 22:29:23 | Nico_P | male: what about %?mh<% C|% C> ? |
| 22:29:37 | Nico_P | (without the spaces of course) |
| 22:29:40 | male | Nico_P: Well, I'm using lh. |
| 22:29:48 | amiconn | I hoped to be able to introduce bitmap structs before viewports |
| 22:29:49 | Nico_P | male: lh isn't present on all targets |
| 22:30:06 | male | Nico_P: And it does SOMETHING. But it doesn't work 100%. Mine is a Nano, and I'm pretty sure it has it. |
| 22:30:25 | Nico_P | male: trying mh won't hurt, will it? |
| 22:30:42 | male | Nico_P: Might explode. Who knows? ;-) |
| 22:31:00 | Lear | Nico_P: Now I'm sure: if I resume a track, the last part of it can be skipped somehow. |
| 22:31:30 | male | Nico_P: Same with mh. |
| 22:31:37 | Nico_P | Lear: are you referring to FS #8092? |
| 22:31:40 | Lear | Just happened for a 64-kbit MP3 (audio book). Skipping back and replaying the end of the track works, so the file is fine... |
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| 22:32:04 | Nico_P | male: could you pastebin the source? |
| 22:32:21 | male | Nico_P: Trying one more thing first. |
| 22:32:53 | male | Nico_P: Okay. It works is the whole conditional is at the very end of the WPS> |
| 22:33:01 | Lear | No, backwards seek is not invlolved. I resume playback of the file, i.e. start some ways into it. It's like it doesn't buffer all that's left of the file. |
| 22:33:15 | male | Nico_P: So it probably had to do with the line under it. |
| 22:33:52 | Nico_P | male: ah :) |
| 22:34:40 | Nico_P | Lear: I don't really get your point... what's the problem then? |
| 22:34:46 | amiconn | linuxstb: Scrolling text will need special measures |
| 22:34:55 | Nico_P | Lear: ok sorry now I get it |
| 22:35:18 | amiconn | E.g. you need to be able to clear a viewport, which needs to clear all scrolling lines of that viewport |
| 22:35:33 | Nico_P | amiconn, linuxstb: would it be possible to include screen rotation in the design? |
| 22:35:57 | amiconn | Live rotation? |
| 22:35:59 | male | How about 3D compositing. |
| 22:36:03 | male | And a cube... |
| 22:36:31 | Nico_P | amiconn: yeah, for portrait targets it could be nice |
| 22:36:47 | amiconn | Forget it - pixel format would be totally different on <8 bit, and even of >=8bit, framebuffer layout would change |
| 22:36:57 | male | For the iPod Touch it's absolutely necessary. |
| 22:37:06 | amiconn | hahaaa |
| 22:37:10 | Nico_P | amiconn: hmm and through a setting with a reboot? |
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| 22:37:36 | amiconn | Imo it would add way too much complication |
| 22:38:09 | amiconn | Why would someone suddenly want landscape if he bought a player with portrait display? |
| 22:38:18 | male | Wow, if rotation is that complicated there's something seriously wrong with the design. |
| 22:38:20 | Lear | Nico_P: And in this case, it was the last 15 secs that was missing. |
| 22:38:38 | amiconn | For video and image display (fullscreen) it's a bit different, but that can be handled by the plugin |
| 22:38:38 | Bagder | male: not at all, it is streamlined for one mode |
| 22:38:59 | Nico_P | amiconn: IMHO it makes sense to want to change |
| 22:39:17 | Nico_P | not saying I do |
| 22:39:24 | male | General code is easier for programmers than "streamlined" code, and often far less error prone. |
| 22:39:40 | Nico_P | and slower |
| 22:39:41 | Bagder | male: rockbox is not for general lazy programmers |
| 22:39:51 | amiconn | male: And that general code is most often completely unsuitable for embedded devices |
| 22:39:55 | Nico_P | this reminds me we need java :p |
| 22:39:56 | hcs | Bagder: speak for yourself! |
| 22:39:57 | Bagder | they can have their java ;-) |
| 22:39:57 | male | Slower perhaps, but not necessarily "too" slow. |
| 22:40:15 | linuxstb | Slower -> lower battery life... |
| 22:40:19 | amiconn | male: On a battery powered device, every little bit counts |
| 22:40:22 | Bagder | male: but also much more complicated code |
| 22:40:31 | Bagder | and simplicity is good |
| 22:40:33 | male | No. General code is simpler and smaller. |
| 22:40:43 | Bagder | to support live rotation? |
| 22:40:49 | male | And often provides opportunities for unexpected optimizations. |
| 22:40:52 | amiconn | So code is always too slow, until it's either really too fast (only possible for hardware drivers) or runs in zero-time |
| 22:40:53 | Bagder | you're not on my planet, that's for sure |
| 22:40:58 | Zagor | general code is rarely smaller |
| 22:41:21 | male | Zagor: Wow. That's nust. |
| 22:41:23 | male | nuts. |
| 22:41:50 | linuxstb | amiconn: What special measures do you have in mind for scrolling text? |
| 22:41:53 | male | The RB firmware is FAR more bloated than it needs to be, and it could be much more functional in the space it now occupies. |
| 22:41:58 | amiconn | male: Just take a look at pixel packing on 1bpp and 2bpp targets, and then try to invent a way to rotate on such displays without increasing binsize |
| 22:42:06 | Bagder | male: please bring on your patches |
| 22:42:10 | amiconn | I'm *sure* you won't find such a way |
| 22:42:15 | male | Imagine if the RB core were written in Forth for instance. |
| 22:42:20 | Bagder | male: I think you talk more than you can backup with code |
| 22:42:22 | Zagor | male: talk is cheap. show us the code. |
| 22:42:25 | hcs | male: I've imagined it... |
| 22:42:35 | Nico_P | amiconn: I'm probably going to say something stupid, but couldn't we display the fonts rotated? |
| 22:43:05 | amiconn | Fonts are mono bitmaps... |
| 22:43:16 | Nico_P | or maybe less stupid... have a rotated version in store |
| 22:43:33 | Nico_P | amiconn: I don't know much about bitmap displaying |
| 22:43:35 | male | That would be offscreen rendering. |
| 22:43:56 | amiconn | Fonts are already very large.. check the size of unifont.fnt, and compare that to the amount of ram of our low-mem targets |
| 22:45:20 | amiconn | Sure, the whole font is never loaded at once, but even then... |
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| 22:45:30 | Nico_P | hmm ok |
| 22:45:54 | Nico_P | amiconn: what about reboot though? |
| 22:46:19 | amiconn | You would basically need 2 complete lcd drivers |
| 22:46:25 | Nico_P | some people seem to care enough about it to accept a reboot (I wouldn't) |
| 22:46:30 | Nico_P | ok |
| 22:47:01 | amiconn | On >= 8 bit targets it might be a little easier *if* the lcd controller can switch update directions |
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| 22:47:13 | stripwax | yo |
| 22:47:21 | amiconn | ...and we know how, i.e. we have a datasheet |
| 22:47:46 | Nico_P | male: do you use C btw? |
| 22:48:05 | Nico_P | amiconn: ok I'm officially dropping the idea entirely :) |
| 22:48:06 | amiconn | Then just the framebuffer dimensions change, but no other layout details |
| 22:48:23 | male | Nick_P: C what? The language? |
| 22:48:27 | Nico_P | yeah |
| 22:48:49 | male | Nick_P: Sure. Hard to use unix without it. |
| 22:49:27 | amiconn | I.e. it would be not too difficult to implement on iriver H300, iaudio X5, iPod Nano, iriver H10 (big & small), Sansa c200 and *perhaps* Sansa e200 |
| 22:49:36 | male | Nick_P: And I certainly know my way around C well enough to see that there's a lot of unnecessary code and poor factoring in RB. |
| 22:49:38 | * | male ducks. |
| 22:49:43 | amiconn | But those are all landscape targets |
| 22:49:43 | male | Not that I don't love it. |
| 22:50:04 | linuxstb | male: We would welcome patches if you can improve things... |
| 22:50:11 | amiconn | The others either have the pixel packing issue (everything greyscale and mono), or unknown lcd controller(s) |
| 22:50:33 | male | linuxstb: Well, I'm more interested in features ATM. I have more than enough projects to keep me busy without optimizing other people's code. |
| 22:50:36 | amiconn | iPod Color is special, as we know just one of the 2 existing lcd controllers |
| 22:50:55 | PaulPosition | lol... screen rotation on the SQUARE h10 screen would be fun! (or not!) ;) |
| 22:51:16 | PaulJam | does someone see something wrong with the following wps tag: "%?bs< |>" it causes that parts of static elements in the wps disappear when the previous wps contained albumart. wery weird. |
| 22:51:20 | male | I have a hard time believing that the raw speed of the RB core has a huge effect on battery life. Most of the time is spent in codecs, no? |
| 22:51:36 | amiconn | Slight correction: e200 is not landscape, but then also marked as *perhaps* - because we knwo the controller, and that it can switch update direction, but I'm not sure whether we know how to change the lcd dma setup |
| 22:51:39 | * | stripwax hopes so |
| 22:51:42 | Bagder | every little cycle counts |
| 22:52:08 | male | People usually end up with slow and buggy software when they try to over-optimize. |
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| 22:52:35 | male | Every cycle doesn't count when there's a minimum clock and lots of free cycles. |
| 22:52:41 | Bagder | male: we love your teaching generalizations |
| 22:52:44 | hcs | male: we've got people who know the processors fairly well... |
| 22:52:47 | lostlogic | male: you have repeatedly insulted and belittled rockbox wihout offering a single piece of code or productive suggestion, please stop it. |
| 22:52:53 | amiconn | male: There are now 'free' cycles |
| 22:53:01 | amiconn | s/now/no/ |
| 22:53:33 | male | lostlogic: I haven't belittled anything. |
| 22:53:49 | male | lostlogic: I'm just coming from a fresh perspective. |
| 22:53:58 | amiconn | And you would be surprised how much time is spent outside codecs - and that's not because it's unoptimised code |
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| 22:54:18 | Nico_P | PaulJam: are the parts that disappear "under" AA? |
| 22:54:25 | male | How is the profiling done? |
| 22:54:33 | Nico_P | or rather, its position if it were there |
| 22:54:42 | Bagder | male: but then please get constructive instead of just throwing out worthless accusations of being slow and bloated |
| 22:54:58 | male | I didn't say it's slow. |
| 22:55:13 | Nico_P | male: fresh perspective is good, but specific examples would help us understand your view better |
| 22:55:17 | male | It works. And that's fast enough. |
| 22:55:28 | lostlogic | male: either by profiling the simulator on host PCs or using a profiling system that I wrote a couple years ago based using glibc's instrumentation features as a basis (although I'm not sure how well that still works). |
| 22:55:50 | male | lostlogic: And the latter runs on target? |
| 22:55:55 | lostlogic | yes |
| 22:56:07 | Nico_P | lostlogic: you wrote it? cool, maybe you can teach me how to use it? |
| 22:56:11 | male | lostlogic: I have something similar, but it currently requires networking. |
| 22:56:17 | lostlogic | Nico_P: :-\ don't remember |
| 22:56:21 | Nico_P | haha |
| 22:56:23 | PaulJam | all static elements in the rectangle between 0x0 and 75x75 dissappear. the albumart of the previous wps was at a different position (100x100) |
| 22:56:42 | PaulJam | (that was for Nico_P ) |
| 22:57:11 | Nico_P | PaulJam: ok, looking |
| 22:57:16 | male | Well, IMHO if no one is actively profiling on the target then no one has a clue what is fast and what isn't. |
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| 22:57:33 | * | Bagder ignores male starting now |
| 22:57:42 | male | Aside from the clues that boost ratio (and battery life) might give. |
| 22:57:56 | lostlogic | Nico_P: as I recall it's a matter of compiling with the code you want profiled instrumented and with some added code to start an stop the profiling, which upon the stop call writes a file out containing the addresses of the functions and their call counts... and then using some perl scripts I wrote to map them back to their functio names |
| 22:58:29 | ryanakca | Hmmm... I've been told to reboot after building the database, but, when I reboot, I'm told that the database hasn't been initialized yet, and asks if I want to initialize it. Any idea why? |
| 22:58:29 | Nico_P | lostlogic: yeah but the perl scripts were obscure and I was unsure whether the whole thing would work on coldifre |
| 22:58:35 | male | lostlogic: Only counts? No timestamps? |
| 22:58:36 | Nico_P | lostlogic: I ended up giving up |
| 22:58:49 | lostlogic | male: when someone like amiconn analyzes the processor pipelines of the processor and optimizes critical sectiosn based on that, we can be damn sure, especially when he then backs up his improvements with real world frame rate improvements or suchlike |
| 22:59:01 | lostlogic | male: includes both. |
| 22:59:26 | lostlogic | Nico_P: I wrote it when I had an H3x0, never actually tested on ARM iirc |
| 22:59:33 | lostlogic | Nico_P: and yes, the perl scripts are very obscure. |
| 22:59:45 | male | I was merely making a point about false optimization. |
| 22:59:46 | Nico_P | male: many of the core devs here are pretty experiendec embedded programmers. some do that for a living |
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| 23:00:00 | Nico_P | lostlogic: me not knowing perl didn't help of course :p |
| 23:00:09 | lostlogic | Nico_P: it's as good a time as any to learn :-P |
| 23:00:48 | lostlogic | Nico_P: I'd like to get it operating again, but I'm soooo lazy |
| 23:01:15 | * | lostlogic joins bagder at this poitn |
| 23:01:26 | male | Nico_P: Smart people are often stupid. |
| 23:01:52 | Nico_P | lostlogic: btw, I've been thinking about what jhMikeS suggested for the buffering code... using one callback that sends all sorts of messages to its users... I think it can help solve FS #8092 |
| 23:01:52 | hcs | male: if you'd like to talk programming generalities, why not join us in #rockbox-community? |
| 23:02:03 | n1s | male: We don't optimize without benchmarking |
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| 23:02:27 | male | n1s: But it seems that many features/improvements are discounted without analysis. |
| 23:02:38 | Nico_P | PaulJam: I assume the problem is appearing when using the dynamic workaround? |
| 23:02:40 | male | Which I think is worrisome. |
| 23:03:02 | lostlogic | Nico_P: I didn't see what mike said about using 1 callback I don't think and I also don't see what callbacks have to do with 8092 |
| 23:03:15 | Nico_P | male: patches are welcome, but people work on what they care about |
| 23:03:16 | lostlogic | 8092 is a problem where the buffering code has the potential to break its own internal structure |
| 23:03:22 | PaulPosition | male - Many "discounted" things have been taken into account ** once someone actually coded something ** |
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| 23:03:27 | male | Nico_P: Obviously ;-) |
| 23:03:59 | Nico_P | lostlogic: what I was thinking for 8092 is that if the buffering code could close handles to free space, all would be fine |
| 23:04:05 | male | PualPosition: Then why the "anything new is too slow, forget it. We like it ultra-complicated." attitudes? |
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| 23:04:18 | lostlogic | Nico_P: ahhh!! yes :) that would be fanfricking tastic! |
| 23:04:28 | Nico_P | the callback enables us to let the buffering thread have more control... it will be able to close handle and signal that to the user |
| 23:04:35 | lostlogic | that's exactly what I'd like for buffering to be able to tell people "Hey, I closeed your handle" |
| 23:04:48 | lostlogic | yummytastic. |
| 23:04:53 | Nico_P | that quote is exactly what I was going to say :) |
| 23:05:00 | PaulJam | no, i expreimented with 2 very simple wps one contained the lines "%Cl|100|100|75|75|" and "%C" , the other contains the lines "%?bs<|>" and "%it". all in the h300 sim with reset settings. don't stop playback when changing the wps. |
| 23:05:09 | PaulPosition | male - Don't ask me... Just look at the svn history. Album Art was stupid and not-to-ever-go-into-Rockbox until Nicolas and some other started working on it and came back with something usable.. |
| 23:05:40 | PaulPosition | I guess it's the same with 'optimization' and such. Can't see why it wouldn't be. |
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| 23:06:00 | amiconn | I still think that AA is useless... but I accept that for others it's not |
| 23:06:03 | Nico_P | male, PaulPosition: I actually write the original AA patch years ago and it was rejected waiting for MoB |
| 23:06:12 | Nico_P | which I ended up implementing myself |
| 23:06:15 | Nico_P | with help |
| 23:06:16 | male | I've never worked on a project that I wasn't willing to admit could have been done better. |
| 23:06:17 | amiconn | And many ideas which were thought to be impossible are a reality now |
| 23:06:28 | male | Sorry if that offends anyone. |
| 23:06:30 | amiconn | Rockbox is around for several years |
| 23:06:42 | Bagder | we all know everything can be improved |
| 23:06:55 | Bagder | that goes without saying |
| 23:06:57 | Zagor | male: and you have yet to suggest A SINGLE THING that would make it better |
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| 23:07:07 | * | stripwax sighs |
| 23:07:09 | Zagor | it's all just hot air from you |
| 23:07:12 | amiconn | And the current AA implementation is acceptable because it uses the proper groundworks |
| 23:07:21 | amiconn | (MoB, which wasn't available earlier) |
| 23:07:34 | Nico_P | :) |
| 23:07:35 | * | stripwax rebuilds jblackglass themes using the new core rockbox features |
| 23:07:38 | male | Zagor: Here's one. Why don't you shut up? ;-) |
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| 23:07:57 | stripwax | male - steady on |
| 23:07:59 | Nico_P | male: please don't be offensive... |
| 23:08:00 | n1s | lostlogic: I tried profiling Tremor on my h300 maybe a month or two ago and it seemed to generate good output on the device but the script was unable to match the adresses to functions AFAICT or maybe i did it wrong... |
| 23:08:05 | Zagor | male: why? am I disturbing your mindless ranting? |
| 23:08:27 | male | That's better. /ignore shut him up for me. |
| 23:08:27 | lostlogic | n1s: that's possible −− the perl parsing scripts were definitely the fragile part. |
| 23:08:35 | Nico_P | PaulJam: nothing else in the WPS I assume? |
| 23:09:00 | amiconn | Nico_P: Maybe rotating text output would become somewhat easier if one of my optimisation ideas works out and actually improves things |
| 23:09:15 | lostlogic | you guys have convinced me to try and take a poke at bringing the profiling scripts back up to snuff this weekend... if you remind me. |
| 23:09:36 | male | lostlogic: That would be great! |
| 23:09:54 | PaulJam | Nico_P: yes nothing else. are you not able to reproduce it? |
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| 23:10:02 | stripwax | If hold is on and the backlight is off, do we really need to run the scroll thread? |
| 23:10:17 | lostlogic | male: or you could do it, since you seem rather gungho and probably have mor free time than me :-D |
| 23:10:21 | male | stripwax: I've wondered about that myself. |
| 23:10:23 | Llorean | lostlogic: I'll prod you if I'm not too busy elsewhere. |
| 23:10:31 | amiconn | stripwax: On about half of the targets - yess!!! |
| 23:10:40 | male | Is the hold button hard on all targets? |
| 23:10:51 | amiconn | Not every target has a stupid, purely transmissive colour lcd |
| 23:10:54 | stripwax | amiconn - sorry :) I meant, on the targets where the lcd is unreadable without the backlight |
| 23:11:10 | Nico_P | stripwax: we could maybe even stop updating the WPS |
| 23:11:18 | lostlogic | stripwax: that's mostly the gigabeats right? |
| 23:11:18 | Nico_P | or do it less often |
| 23:11:26 | Nico_P | lostlogic: H300 too, probably others |
| 23:11:27 | male | I'd like the LCD shut down on hold. |
| 23:11:31 | amiconn | Nico_P: That was discussed several times, and dropped |
| 23:11:36 | male | But a quick way to glance at the screen. |
| 23:11:36 | Casainho | Bagder: Hello! |
| 23:11:49 | Nico_P | amiconn: oh. either I wasn't there or I just forgot |
| 23:11:54 | male | Which would be possible if button presses CAN be detected in software while hold is enabled. |
| 23:12:13 | amiconn | The problem is that not every update is a full update, so it would be difficult to reconstruct the "should-be" state if the light is enabled again |
| 23:12:19 | Casainho | hello to all! - I am looking for people that can help -me to decide a processor for make the hardware player - to select processor em RAM memory... |
| 23:12:27 | Nico_P | PaulJam: does it look specific to %?bs<|>? |
| 23:12:37 | stripwax | amiconn - agreed. scrolling thread could wake though |
| 23:12:45 | Bagder | Casainho: dig up a couple of SoC contenders |
| 23:12:56 | n1s | imx31! |
| 23:12:58 | scorche|w | Casainho: there are many good suggestions in those threads we linked you |
| 23:12:58 | amiconn | The scroll thread could stop updating that lcd, yes |
| 23:13:04 | Bagder | and for ram, just go with 32MB |
| 23:13:18 | amiconn | I guess the current scrolltext positions aren't that important |
| 23:13:21 | * | scorche|w waits for petur to yell "blackfin!" |
| 23:13:27 | stripwax | which would probably mean fewer lcd updates (only updating when something important actually changes) |
| 23:13:28 | pixelma | male: there are also targets with software lock |
| 23:13:28 | Zagor | Casainho: have you given any thought about the actual production of such a player? |
| 23:13:47 | Casainho | scorche|w: I did lose that links - can you please sen d them again?? and I will register them in TwWiki? |
| 23:13:52 | Zagor | Casainho: i.e. are you aiming for a build-it-yourself kit or a factory-built device? |
| 23:13:55 | linuxstb | scorche|w: Don't you mean markun? |
| 23:13:57 | amiconn | stripwax: The *actual* lcd update is stopped anyway when the lcd is asleep |
| 23:14:06 | male | I still thing a different WPS for hold would cover that scroll problem. |
| 23:14:06 | stripwax | mm, true |
| 23:14:12 | pixelma | scorche: that would probably come from markun (if he was around)... |
| 23:14:18 | amiconn | But the framebuffer is still updated |
| 23:14:22 | Casainho | Bagder: 32 RAM?? why, can't be less for cheap? |
| 23:14:37 | male | pixelma: But the Nano is hard, right? |
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| 23:14:44 | amiconn | Btw, the scroll thread can't be stopped completely, at least on targets with lcd remotes |
| 23:14:56 | scorche|w | linuxstb: i think both were looking at blackfin |
| 23:14:58 | Bagder | Casainho: sure could, if flash based I guess it could survive with 16 or possibly even 8 |
| 23:15:05 | Casainho | Zagor: DIY and would like to factory, but If I find one interested... I don't know... |
| 23:15:05 | scorche|w | irc logs seem to support that |
| 23:15:10 | Llorean | Casainho: Assuming and HD target, RAM is essential for buffering audio and helping to reduce the amount of time the disk spins, or the number of times it must be spun up from rest. |
| 23:15:27 | stripwax | amiconn - why is that? I thought remote scroll only runs when a remote was plugged in |
| 23:15:37 | Llorean | Casainho: 32mb of RAM seems to be a good number for lossy audio, and helps keep the disk spun down (and safer for drops) and decent battery life |
| 23:15:49 | amiconn | stripwax: nope |
| 23:15:50 | Zagor | Casainho: the newer SOC type chips could be rather difficult to DIY due to tight packaging. |
| 23:16:16 | Bagder | DIY will be impossible anyway IMHO since people want small and nicer players these days |
| 23:16:16 | PaulJam | Nico_P: at least when i remove this part from the wps where i first observed it, it doesn't happen anymore. i don't know if this can be triggered somehow else. |
| 23:16:17 | amiconn | But I mean *if* a remote is plugged, that remote needs its scrolling to continue, even if it's stopped on the main lcd |
| 23:16:23 | scorche|w | especially if they are bga... |
| 23:16:28 | amiconn | (applies to H300 and X5) |
| 23:16:29 | Casainho | Zagor: I would like to have one for DIY... |
| 23:16:51 | Bagder | I for example would not build my own |
| 23:16:53 | PaulPosition | Wasn't there talk, a year or so ago, that the guys who did the DAC for the sansa thought about designing a dap around rockbox..? (Or did I dream that up)? |
| 23:17:05 | stripwax | amiconn - I really thought remote scrolling thread didn't run if a remote isn't plugged in .. I remember it being discussed and patched |
| 23:17:07 | scorche|w | AMS |
| 23:17:09 | Casainho | BGA no :-) |
| 23:17:19 | stripwax | but yes, obviously if the remote is plugged in, then it needs to scroll |
| 23:17:21 | amiconn | stripwax: There is only one scroll thread now |
| 23:17:29 | Bagder | PaulPosition: they made a DAP and talked about rockbox for it, but it wasn't quite made for rockbox |
| 23:17:36 | bertrik | tracker is down :( |
| 23:17:47 | stripwax | Unless of course both main screen and remote backlights are both powered down and both screens are transmissive. |
| 23:17:47 | PaulPosition | Bagder - Ah, okay thanks.. :) |
| 23:17:56 | stripwax | amiconn - oh, ok |
| 23:18:01 | scorche|w | Bagder: i never heard much about the device...what was it like? |
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| 23:18:10 | linuxstb | Casinho: I also think relatively few people will be capable of building their own DAP - and few users means even fewer developers working on the software side... That's why I prefer working on mass-produced hardware. |
| 23:18:13 | amiconn | And the remote framebuffer is always updated even when no remote is plugged, for the same reason why the main framebuffer is updated when backlight is off and it's a transmissive lcd |
| 23:19:05 | Bagder | scorche|w: thinking about it, I believe it was a SoC that AMS made that it was about, and that AMS wasn't the manufacturer of the actual DAP |
| 23:19:07 | Casainho | linuxstb: and If I chose ARM, is that difcult to have RB? |
| 23:19:09 | stripwax | amiconn would it be too complicated to not update the framebuffer from the scroll thread if the remote isn't plugged in? and if the main screen is transmissive and backlight is off? |
| 23:19:15 | Bagder | but I don't think we got many details out of that |
| 23:19:22 | linuxstb | Casinho: Yes - any port to a new target is a lot of work. |
| 23:19:36 | PaulJam | Nico_P: i just tried with "%?lh<1|2>" and there it happens too, so it is not specific to %bs. |
| 23:19:38 | * | stripwax has no idea if disabling framebuffer updates from scroll thread would save much or not |
| 23:19:45 | Nico_P | PaulJam: I couldn't see it |
| 23:19:47 | linuxstb | Casinho: But having full specs, and choosing components already used by Rockbox targets will help a lot. |
| 23:19:58 | amiconn | stripwax: Not sure. jhMikeS did the current, combined scroll thread |
| 23:20:02 | stripwax | ok |
| 23:20:26 | Zagor | bertrik: thanks, I'm looking into it |
| 23:20:36 | linuxstb | Casinho: And as I think Bagder has already said, you'll have double the work due to debugging hardware and software at the same time... |
| 23:20:39 | Casainho | linuxstb: YES, the idea is to use knowledge from RB! - people from RB know a lot from harwadre.. we can copy :-) |
| 23:20:59 | * | linuxstb will now stop being grumpy |
| 23:21:07 | scorche|w | Bagder: ah...so it just died for the most part?....do we even know the arch?> |
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| 23:21:47 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hrrmmm, even a complete rebuild of arm binutils + gcc doesn't help |
| 23:21:52 | Casainho | I would like to find a ARM and RAM, to start the schematic |
| 23:21:57 | PaulJam | Nico_P: did you load the aa wps, then start playing (with a cover.bmp present) and then load the other wps without stopping music inbetween? |
| 23:22:07 | pixelma | Zagor: also checked what's goind on with the bygg server? Didn't follow everything this evening, so sorrey if it's been asked before |
| 23:22:08 | Nico_P | Zagor: did you manage to get the gigabeat register readings in the end? |
| 23:22:11 | amiconn | 'make install' just doesn't want to install gcc, apart from a few accompanying files... |
| 23:22:20 | n1s | amiconn: stupid questions did you apply the patch and are you installing to the correct path? |
| 23:22:21 | linuxstb | amiconn: I've no ideas... It's always just worked for me... |
| 23:22:24 | Nico_P | PaulJam: that's exactly what I did, yes |
| 23:22:25 | Bagder | scorche|w: ARM9-based SoCs, AS3515 and AS3527 (according to their web site) |
| 23:22:36 | amiconn | n1s: yes |
| 23:23:01 | scorche|w | Bagder: thanks...i shall have to have a look later |
| 23:23:06 | Zagor | Nico_P: aliask said he'd fix them but I haven't scanned the logs to see if he posted them for me. I'll take a look later. |
| 23:23:08 | amiconn | n1s: It doesn't install gcc at all |
| 23:23:21 | n1s | amiconn: no errors? |
| 23:23:21 | amiconn | Just the LC_MESSAGES files and 3 or 4 others |
| 23:23:24 | amiconn | nope |
| 23:23:41 | amiconn | Just things like : "make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install'" |
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| 23:23:52 | linuxstb | And no errors during the initial make? |
| 23:23:59 | n1s | weird... I never had problems with the install once i got it to build :/ |
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| 23:24:53 | Bengi | Hi all |
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| 23:25:04 | Bengi | I be needing some help |
| 23:25:18 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm... now that you say that.. there seem to be no libs in the gcc build dir |
| 23:25:20 | scorche|w | Casainho: as for those threads, search the forums for them...if i remember correctly, one was in the "new ports", and another was in the "hardware" forum |
| 23:25:24 | scorche|w | those were the big 2 |
| 23:25:25 | amiconn | But 'make' didn't error out |
| 23:25:33 | pixelma | Bengi: just ask |
| 23:25:38 | Bengi | I read on the fourms that all you need to do to get album art to display was download the daily build |
| 23:25:43 | Bengi | So I did and it doesn't work |
| 23:25:51 | Bengi | Do I still need a patch file etc |
| 23:25:55 | stripwax | Bengi .. and you also need to install a Theme that includes album art displayes |
| 23:25:57 | linuxstb | What WPS are you using? |
| 23:26:24 | Bengi | BlackAA |
| 23:26:26 | Bengi | As apparently that has the album art |
| 23:26:33 | Bengi | Is there a better one? |
| 23:26:37 | stripwax | http://www.rockbox-themes.org/data/320x240x16/Crashbox_AA.zip |
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| 23:26:52 | scorche|w | "better" is quite subjective.. |
| 23:26:55 | stripwax | It has to be a theme written for the Official rockbox build, NOT a theme that has been written for rockbox+patch |
| 23:27:16 | Bengi | Aha |
| 23:27:24 | amiconn | *very* odd.... |
| 23:27:56 | stripwax | Bengi - if you mean "Black Glass AA" then it clearly says it should work on any build with patches. Official rockbox builds don't have those patches so that particular theme wouldn't work for you |
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| 23:28:23 | Bengi | Ah thanks :) |
| 23:28:28 | DerPapst | no problem |
| 23:28:31 | stripwax | I'm in the process of converting Black Glass AA and jBlackGlass themes to work with the regular rockbox |
| 23:28:49 | Bengi | Great I like blackglass the best that and dockpod aqua |
| 23:28:52 | DerPapst | hi all :P |
| 23:29:52 | stripwax | amiconn - was there a conclusion on what to do about tts options - should your recommended solution just be documented? |
| 23:30:52 | PaulJam | Nico_P: did you put the "%bs<|>" line as first line in the wps? this seems to be imporant for reproduction. |
| 23:31:10 | ryanakca | hmmm... Why don't themes work? I selected a theme in the config/settings menu, but it's still showing the default rockbox one... |
| 23:31:23 | stripwax | ryanakca - probably the theme has an error in it |
| 23:31:31 | stripwax | and/or it doesn't work on the build of rockbox you have installed. |
| 23:31:39 | ryanakca | stripwax: hmm... ok, thanks ;) |
| 23:31:44 | stripwax | and/or it relies on patches that are not part of the official rockbox build |
| 23:32:05 | Bengi | Aha I have some album artwork. thanks guys |
| 23:32:07 | stripwax | ryanakca - so, lots of reasons. which one is right depends on your circumstances (which you haven't described yet :) |
| 23:32:17 | Nico_P | PaulJam: ah, not on the first |
| 23:32:29 | ryanakca | well, Clix seems to be pretty popular... on yesterday's daily rockbox build for the Nano. |
| 23:32:30 | stripwax | Bengi - no worries. it's not a great AA theme, but it works |
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| 23:33:11 | stripwax | ryanakca - do you mean "jClix" ? It only works with an unofficial patched build of rockbox. |
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| 23:33:46 | ryanakca | stripwax: just a second, I'll check what it's called... |
| 23:33:57 | Nico_P | PaulJam: ah, got it! :) |
| 23:33:59 | stripwax | ryanakca - if you mean jClix, then basically you and Bengi had exactly the same problem - not checking what the Minimum Version required by the Theme you are trying to install |
| 23:34:17 | male | close |
| 23:34:23 | ryanakca | And what about BlackGlass? |
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| 23:34:50 | stripwax | ryanakca - well, what does it say the minimum version is? and for bonus points, what did I *just* say to Bengi earlier? |
| 23:34:51 | Bengi | BlackglassAA was not working on the official version of rockbox |
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| 23:35:01 | stripwax | bah, you gave it away :-) |
| 23:35:06 | ryanakca | Bengi: :D |
| 23:35:07 | Bengi | :-) |
| 23:35:14 | * | ryanakca wonders why it's in the rbutil menu then... |
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| 23:35:22 | stripwax | ryanakca - Hmmmm.... |
| 23:35:29 | ryanakca | oh well, I'll look for one that works on my version then :) |
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| 23:35:30 | * | stripwax wonders too |
| 23:35:31 | PaulJam | Nico_P: good, so i'm not insane. this seems to be a really weird bug. |
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| 23:35:38 | Bengi | I got some wierd equalizer looking lines instead of a progress bar |
| 23:35:41 | sb2 | i was wondering if there's an implementation in forth? |
| 23:35:45 | ryanakca | stripwax: both of those themes were in that menu |
| 23:35:53 | stripwax | ryanakca - I like crashbox, and I updated crashbox with album art yesterday |
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| 23:36:13 | stripwax | ryanakca - v. interesting. Perhaps it's to cater for people who are running unofficial builds, but that seems inconsistent |
| 23:36:21 | bobf | Hi! Can you put ext3 support in. |
| 23:36:22 | bobf | Great, thanks. |
| 23:36:25 | amiconn | grrrr |
| 23:36:26 | stripwax | scorche/Domonoky any ideas? |
| 23:36:31 | * | amiconn hates linux |
| 23:36:33 | stripwax | bobf - No. sorry |
| 23:36:35 | stripwax | next |
| 23:36:41 | amiconn | The box doesn't want to boot anymore |
| 23:36:46 | bobf | God damn motherfucking Nazis. |
| 23:36:49 | stripwax | wtf? |
| 23:36:56 | Bengi | buwh |
| 23:37:00 | stripwax | bobf - oh right hey, you're a programmer, *you* do it |
| 23:37:30 | Nico_P | amiconn: why do you hate linux? |
| 23:37:30 | linuxstb | bobf: Where would we get it from? |
| 23:37:30 | * | bobf suggests doing it in Forth. |
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| 23:37:58 | amiconn | What the flaming hell? "LILO 22.8 Loading LinuxEBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage" |
| 23:38:03 | Bengi | Anyway I better run |
| 23:38:05 | Bengi | Thanks again |
| 23:38:06 | stripwax | eek |
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| 23:38:15 | scorche|w | sorry...was off getting water |
| 23:38:39 | ryanakca | stripwax: yeah |
| 23:38:42 | scorche|w | the new repository is not out yet... |
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| 23:39:49 | scorche|w | i recently got a mail asking how to set the server to use the themes.rockbox.org cname which is the only thing holding the site up at the moment...plan on getting that done soon, and then all will be changed... |
| 23:40:00 | amiconn | Hmm |
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| 23:40:13 | * | amiconn thinks he knows *why* that happened, but not how to fix it |
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| 23:40:43 | amiconn | Stupid lilo needs to be called every time after changing kernels, but somehow synaptic seems to forget that on my machine |
| 23:41:01 | amiconn | And this time debian published an update of the same kernel version... |
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| 23:43:13 | * | DerPapst runs grub because of that reason |
| 23:43:37 | DerPapst | amiconn: yould you fix lilos config with use of a live CD? |
| 23:43:39 | amiconn | Yeah, but for some reason debian didn't offer me grub |
| 23:43:39 | ryanakca | stripwax: so, what do I to? wget the .zip and unzip it? |
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| 23:43:44 | ryanakca | s/to/do |
| 23:43:51 | * | DerPapst knows nothing about linux and bootloaders on PCs |
| 23:43:56 | stripwax | ryanakca - yep |
| 23:44:08 | amiconn | Perhaps that has to do with the configuration - linux raid + lvm |
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| 23:44:17 | ryanakca | stripwax: thanks ;) |
| 23:44:19 | scorche|w | amiconn: what repository are you running off of? |
| 23:44:26 | scorche|w | then again, i think even stable has grub.. |
| 23:44:30 | amiconn | unstable |
| 23:44:38 | amiconn | amd64 |
| 23:45:12 | scorche|w | well, there is always apt-get, i suppose |
| 23:45:21 | * | scorche|w doesnt like to rely on synaptic |
| 23:46:13 | * | Nico_P uses aptituda |
| 23:46:20 | Nico_P | *aptitude |
| 23:46:31 | Nico_P | PaulJam: haha that's a really nice bug |
| 23:46:54 | scorche|w | Nico_P: either way :) |
| 23:47:22 | ryanakca | stripwax: hmm... 320x240x16 is the correct size for a Nano, I assume? |
| 23:47:24 | * | amiconn donwloads a current debian netinstall .iso |
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| 23:48:11 | linuxstb | ryanakca: No, the Nano is 176x132x16 |
| 23:48:29 | stripwax | ryanakca - http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ |
| 23:48:50 | ryanakca | stripwax: thanks :) |
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| 23:49:13 | stripwax | I don't know if there is any Nano theme yet that supports AlbumArt from Official rockbox yet. But you could be the first to create your own, it's not hard! |
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| 23:49:43 | colin__ | hey anyone have any bitmetv invites |
| 23:49:47 | stripwax | (Take an existing theme and add albumart tags, or take an existing theme that only works with patches, and take out the unofficial tags) |
| 23:50:20 | n1s | colin__: I don't know what that is but can't think it's related to rockbox at all |
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| 23:51:14 | ryanakca | stripwax: hmmm... it says that "BlackGlass Collection" should work on "Any Recent Daily Build"... |
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| 23:51:49 | ryanakca | same with Clix... http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=176x132x16 |
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| 23:52:26 | Llorean | Clix and jClix are two different things |
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| 23:52:31 | stripwax | ryanakca - ok, I guess I must have been thinking of a theme with a similar but slightly different name |
| 23:53:00 | stripwax | I'm not familiar with 'BlackGlass Collection', nor 'Clix', I'm afraid |
| 23:53:09 | ryanakca | which brings us back to why it doesn't want to use the theme... *scratches his head* |
| 23:53:22 | stripwax | indeed.. you can run the wps checker to find out |
| 23:54:28 | stripwax | or I could |
| 23:54:46 | stripwax | ryanakca - just to check - other themes work ok? or no themes work for you? |
| 23:55:20 | ryanakca | no themes work for me other than the default |
| 23:55:36 | Ctcp | Ignored 5 channel CTCP requests in 3 minutes and 33 seconds at the last flood |
| 23:55:36 | * | ryanakca wonders if there's a way to use his iPod while it's charging |
| 23:55:37 | stripwax | ryanakca- oh... did you install the rockbox Fonts package yet? |
| 23:55:52 | stripwax | if not - then all those themes are trying to use fonts that you haven't installed - |
| 23:56:13 | stripwax | ryanakca - hold down Menu while inserting your charger / usb and then your ipod won't reboot |
| 23:56:15 | ryanakca | all 7.9MB of them... |
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| 23:57:17 | Nico_P | PaulJam: fix committed. I was very lucky you found the bug ;) |
| 23:57:19 | stripwax | ryanakca - hm, not even Rockboxed or Unicatcher? |
| 23:57:35 | * | stripwax thinks they're still packaged as part of rockbox |
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| 23:57:36 | ryanakca | http://pastebin.ca/772630 |
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| 23:58:47 | PaulJam | Nico_P: thanks |
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