| 00:00:05 | Llorean | kugel: Just file a proper bug report. I'm going to dinner. |
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| 00:00:23 | bertrik | jpt9: I think my .18 OF charges up to 4.0V |
| 00:00:28 | jpt9 | ah. |
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| 00:00:35 | BoD[] | ok it seems to work :) |
| 00:00:40 | BoD[] | rebooting... |
| 00:00:48 | jpt9 | is there any reason rockbox can't charge it the last bit? |
| 00:01:14 | BoD[] | woohoo |
| 00:01:25 | BoD[] | :) |
| 00:02:08 | bertrik | jpt9: no not really, but I think hardly anyone uses rockbox for charging anyway |
| 00:02:26 | jpt9 | oh. |
| 00:02:34 | jpt9 | it seems kind of silly. |
| 00:03:11 | jpt9 | it probably gives some people a bad impression... "They can't even get charging to work?" |
| 00:03:46 | Bagder | jpt9: feel free to fix |
| 00:03:52 | jpt9 | hmm... |
| 00:04:40 | bertrik | there isn't any kind of charging API I think |
| 00:05:00 | bertrik | or is there? |
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| 00:05:39 | bertrik | oh I see some stuff in powermgmt.h |
| 00:07:06 | amiconn | powermanagement is a bit of a mess atm |
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| 00:07:25 | amiconn | But we can't charge with >100mA before getting usb to work |
| 00:07:31 | amiconn | That's the main problem |
| 00:10:17 | bertrik | jpt9: controlling the charger looks really easy, the charging itself is done by a hardware circuit. The software only needs to configure the charge parameters like voltage and current |
| 00:10:27 | jpt9 | oh |
| 00:10:30 | PaulPosition | Hmm.. Can't take screendumps anymore. [H10] 'system->debug->screendumps' and then plug in the usb to trigger, right? |
| 00:10:43 | bertrik | And we need to be *really* sure what those parameters are |
| 00:11:19 | jpt9 | ah. |
| 00:11:29 | jpt9 | so you don't have it bursting into flames and all. |
| 00:12:09 | bertrik | perhaps not flames, but at least too high voltage is damaging to the battery (and too high charging current probably too) |
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| 00:13:19 | bertrik | I've never seen more than 4.0V just after charging with the OF, but the charge controller allows charging up to a voltage of 4.25V |
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| 00:20:05 | preglow | if you do a makefile target that has no deps, it'll always be executed, yes? <- |
| 00:20:23 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 00:20:35 | bertrik | jpt9: maybe as an intermediate step we could implement an USB device much simpler than USB mass storage, and use this to advertise our need for 500 mA |
| 00:20:43 | jpt9 | ah. |
| 00:20:51 | preglow | i've got "rbspeexdec : rbspeexdec.c libspeex" on a line here, yet it consistently fails to call the libspeex target |
| 00:21:16 | linuxstb | Can you show your makefile? |
| 00:21:17 | bertrik | perhaps something like a virtual com port which is quite easy as it just uses two bulk pipes with no complicated protocol |
| 00:21:25 | preglow | sure |
| 00:22:14 | preglow | linuxstb: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/Makefile |
| 00:22:19 | preglow | linuxstb: it's tools/Makefile, look near the bottom |
| 00:22:27 | preglow | linuxstb: it does try to build rbspeexenc, though |
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| 00:23:34 | linuxstb | I expect it's conflicting with the directory called libspeex you create |
| 00:23:49 | preglow | right, so i should phony it |
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| 00:23:55 | linuxstb | Yes |
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| 00:24:58 | linuxstb | Or maybe better - the dependency should be libspeex/libspeex.a - that's what you're making... |
| 00:25:00 | preglow | linuxstb: mno, doesn't seem like it, no |
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| 00:25:21 | preglow | so, i should call the libspeex target that too, i suppose? |
| 00:25:28 | * | preglow dislikes makefiles |
| 00:25:35 | linuxstb | Yes, that's what I mean |
| 00:26:06 | preglow | linuxstb: that got it working in a hurry |
| 00:26:10 | PaulPosition | Before I fill in a bug report, anyone would confirm/infirm that screendump is broken? (my iriver h10 does detect usb in/out, it just doesn't generate a bmp) |
| 00:26:30 | preglow | but now, back to the old problem, nb_celp.c seems to want consts that are in speex.h, but does not include speex.h, yet all compiles of libspeex but this one works... |
| 00:26:52 | safetydan | preglow: include paths maybe? |
| 00:27:27 | preglow | safetydan: well, it would have told me if it didn't find a file it tried to include, no? |
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| 00:28:01 | safetydan | preglow: true |
| 00:28:10 | PaulPosition | (Ahh.... interrestingly, when I have debug-screendump enabled, it does NOT detect usb out or, at least, the statusbar doesn't reflect it) |
| 00:29:26 | linuxstb | preglow: nb_celp.h includes modes.h which includes <speex/speex.h> - so I think it could be include paths... |
| 00:29:46 | linuxstb | Maybe a conflict with an installed version of speex.h? |
| 00:30:07 | preglow | aha |
| 00:30:17 | preglow | very probably |
| 00:30:47 | PaulJam | PaulPosition: there is a report in the h10 forums on misticriver about broken screendump functionality. |
| 00:31:11 | jhMikeS | preglow: hurry the fux up...I want to commit that SPC codec =;p |
| 00:31:37 | PaulPosition | Pauljam - Indeed. But misticriver folks aren't really into submitting bugs to the tracker. −− Yet I don't want to be trigger-happy with it either. |
| 00:33:03 | preglow | i'm getting there... |
| 00:33:35 | jhMikeS | :D :PpPpPp ... need more liquor (/me does) |
| 00:33:46 | preglow | it sPEWS warnings |
| 00:33:47 | preglow | baaaah |
| 00:33:57 | preglow | i definitely need more liquor |
| 00:34:02 | preglow | but have none, so it's more makefile instead |
| 00:34:17 | hcs | jhMikeS, preglow, what's up w/ SPC? |
| 00:34:35 | PaulJam | PaulPosition: i'm not sure what you mean. i just mentioned it because you asked for confirmation of this bug. |
| 00:35:49 | jhMikeS | hcs: it's my dual core version but voice swapping is blocking it |
| 00:36:01 | PaulPosition | PaulJam - Oh, okay.. Sorry, I wanted to know if other devices would show the same symptoms. |
| 00:36:11 | preglow | linuxstb: so, how to solve that, really? swap all <> with "" ? |
| 00:36:30 | BoD[] | see you all! |
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| 00:36:50 | PaulJam | PaulPosition: on h300 with r15627 screendump works. |
| 00:37:13 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm not sure, but I would hope there is a better way than that... |
| 00:37:58 | preglow | linuxstb: i can't possibly think of one, afaik, /usr/include is first in the include path, and if speex/speex.h exists there, that will be used first |
| 00:38:05 | PaulPosition | PaulJam - Thanks.. So I'll fill a report only for H10. |
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| 00:38:31 | preglow | linuxstb: so either drop speex/ or turn <> to "", both equally bad, afaik |
| 00:39:03 | PaulPosition | (after I read the wiki about bug reports, to make sure I don't behave like an idiot) |
| 00:40:04 | preglow | linuxstb: there doesn't seem to be many |
| 00:40:22 | preglow | at least not in .h files |
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| 00:44:03 | preglow | any better suggestions? :/ |
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| 00:45:20 | preglow | libspeex/SOURCES is turning into a right mess |
| 00:45:24 | linuxstb | Are you sure this is the problem? Reading the manpage, -I should add the directory to the head of the search path, and system directories come afterwards... |
| 00:45:53 | ryanakca | Why is it that every song gets included into the Database 4 times? Any way to correct this? iPod Nano with Tuesday's daily build. |
| 00:46:14 | preglow | linuxstb: really, now |
| 00:46:25 | kugel | did someone of the devs look at fs#8122 ? |
| 00:46:32 | linuxstb | preglow: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.0.3/gcc/Directory-Options.html |
| 00:47:08 | linuxstb | preglow: You could confirm by (temporarily) removing the system copy |
| 00:47:47 | preglow | ok, i've got a libspeex |
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| 00:48:49 | preglow | linuxstb: i might have ommited some include path here, yeah |
| 00:49:06 | JdGordon | BABECOEC ? what the heck is a COEC? |
| 00:49:09 | JdGordon | :p |
| 00:49:42 | krazykit | that's what happens when you call the wrong escort service, i think. |
| 00:49:45 | preglow | linuxstb: it doesn't look like the speex makefile specifies -I. or anything... |
| 00:49:50 | preglow | yes, yes it does |
| 00:49:51 | JdGordon | prefetch abort at that address.. thats a stack oberflow or something yeah? |
| 00:50:11 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, I'm looking at that now... Does "make V=1" work in tools/ ? |
| 00:51:04 | * | n1s thought it was supposed to be C0EDBABE |
| 00:51:14 | JdGordon | thats why it thought it was funny |
| 00:51:16 | preglow | linuxstb: make tools V=1 does |
| 00:51:21 | PaulJam | kugel: is this even a bug? i thought it is theis way, so you can use the format strings from the original tagnavi in your custom one. if you want different format strings in your custom config you can just use different names for them. |
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| 00:52:02 | JdGordon | crap.. doesnt crash the sim :( |
| 00:52:11 | kugel | this user made his own format strings, and they were not recognized |
| 00:52:12 | safetydan | JdGordon: sounds like some protection cookie that got scrambled |
| 00:52:37 | PaulPosition | Could svn be used to go backward, say, two weeks... in search of when a bug may have been introduced.. how? |
| 00:52:38 | kugel | I guess because the %include of tagnavi.config is after the format strings |
| 00:53:01 | preglow | linuxstb: figured it out |
| 00:53:12 | kugel | PaulPosition: you can check out an older SVN |
| 00:53:15 | preglow | linuxstb: _I_ forgot to include -I. |
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| 00:54:19 | PaulJam | PaulPosition: use for example 'svn up -r12345' to go to a specific revision |
| 00:54:20 | PaulPosition | doh, I just found out how... missed it when I first read the wiki page. |
| 00:54:24 | PaulPosition | thanks :) |
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| 00:57:51 | JdGordon | anyone have any ideas about FS #8163? it only seems to be the german lang.. ive tried hai and russion which are both larger so im not sure its an overflow |
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| 00:58:43 | PaulJam | kugel: hmm, then i don't understand this bugreport. i use custom formatstrings in my tagnavi_custom.config and there they work. |
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| 00:59:38 | kugel | So answer this report and tell the way you made it |
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| 01:00:01 | linuxstb | preglow: So is it all good now? |
| 01:01:19 | preglow | linuxstb: no, i still lack some stuff, plus, this thing vOMITS warnings |
| 01:01:41 | preglow | i don't know how much i'm going to care, really, it won't show up on the build tables much |
| 01:02:07 | preglow | and wtf, why isn't ranlib run? |
| 01:02:10 | preglow | looks like it tries |
| 01:02:36 | preglow | probably isn't defined for host based builds |
| 01:03:49 | linuxstb | Shouldn't it be the same as a sim build? |
| 01:04:29 | linuxstb | No, it shouldn't (to answer my own question...) |
| 01:05:05 | preglow | and for some reason, big parts og nb_celp.c can't find speec_alloc and speex_free... and os_support.h is included just fine |
| 01:05:14 | preglow | ARGH |
| 01:05:15 | preglow | forget me |
| 01:05:39 | jmworx | preglow: what do you mean "can't find"? |
| 01:05:46 | PaulJam | kugel: i just did it the way the wiki decribes it. i don't use any tricks to make it work. |
| 01:06:14 | kugel | the wiki says that the %include is before everything else (just comments before) |
| 01:06:22 | kugel | so the wiki is kinda wrong |
| 01:06:30 | preglow | jmworx: nevermind this, this is all my fault |
| 01:06:37 | preglow | jmworx: i'm trying to coax our svn libspeex to build natively |
| 01:06:49 | jmworx | what do you mean? |
| 01:07:10 | preglow | jmworx: i use speex_resampler in our own mini-encoder, and most people don't have that new a libspeex yet |
| 01:07:23 | preglow | jmworx: so i'm using the libspeex we already have in svn to build the encoder app |
| 01:07:25 | PaulJam | kugel: maybe it is just a leftover from before the formatstings were introduced. you shoud ask Slasheri, he is the Database expert. |
| 01:08:04 | kugel | I talked to the one who has this problem |
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| 01:08:39 | kugel | he made his format strings in the tagnavi_custom, and they aren't recognized |
| 01:08:58 | kugel | that's all I can tell. I don't have this problem (but just since I don't have my own format strings) |
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| 01:09:38 | preglow | linuxstb: so, how to make that makefile run ranlib in a good way? |
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| 01:10:01 | PaulJam | kugel: ask him to upload his file to the tracker, maybe this helps understanding the problem. |
| 01:10:13 | preglow | jmworx: and yes, right now i very much curse myself for having removed all that encoder stuff in weird ways :) |
| 01:10:33 | linuxstb | preglow: Maybe just add AR=ar to the 'make -C' line ? |
| 01:10:34 | preglow | _yes_ |
| 01:10:35 | preglow | there we go |
| 01:10:57 | preglow | now let's see if this bastard works |
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| 01:11:19 | jmworx | preglow: You're aware that speex 1.2beta3 is moving the resampler to libspeexdsp? |
| 01:11:24 | preglow | linuxstb: it doesbn't call AR, it calls AR+ANLIB |
| 01:11:36 | preglow | jmworx: sure, but that doesn't matter much for us since we don't use your build system anyway |
| 01:11:49 | jmworx | right |
| 01:12:00 | preglow | jmworx: all i need from libspeexdsp is resample.c, so i just include that in libspeex for this occasion |
| 01:12:05 | preglow | it won't be visible system-wide anyway |
| 01:12:12 | jmworx | then why does it matter that "most people don't have that new a libspeex yet"? |
| 01:12:32 | linuxstb | preglow: Are you sure - the Makefile echos 'AR+RANLIB' but then only does $(AR) |
| 01:12:38 | jmworx | preglow: are you defining OUTSIDE_SPEEX? |
| 01:12:52 | preglow | jmworx: no, should it be necessary? it's built as part of speex |
| 01:14:10 | preglow | linuxstb: that worked just fine |
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| 01:14:23 | preglow | linuxstb: so all that's left of the annoyances now are the warnings, which might be 64 bit related |
| 01:15:57 | jmworx | preglow: Well, OUTSIDE_SPEEX makes it use different symbols so that if someone eventually links with libspeexdsp as well, there's no symbol duplication. I guess in your case, you might not care about that... |
| 01:15:58 | preglow | linuxstb: the resulting binary even works |
| 01:16:22 | preglow | jmworx: nah, we control our environment so well we don't have to worry about that |
| 01:17:08 | preglow | well, cool, that was the last piece |
| 01:17:17 | preglow | we should be ready to deploy some testing now |
| 01:18:48 | PaulJam | JdGordon: about FS #8163, it looks like in this screen the title is made to scroll artificially (even though it doesn't make sense in this context) and after it has scrolled for a while there are two square characters at the end of the title string (those that are displayed when the glyph is not available). so maybe the problem has to do with the title being made longer to scroll. |
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| 01:21:10 | JdGordon | PaulJam: but it happens when exiting the screen... |
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| 01:25:40 | PaulPosition | Should I delete everything in my build folder before I 'make' a new (older) revision? |
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| 01:26:27 | PaulPosition | s/revision/release |
| 01:26:36 | PaulPosition | or whatever.. :p |
| 01:27:35 | mud_ | i would do a 'make clean' or yes delete everything if you're getting weird behavior... |
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| 01:28:30 | PaulPosition | mud_ - Hmm, gonna read up on 'make clean'.. It's just that RMing eveything by hand is, uh..., long. Thanks. |
| 01:29:38 | linuxstb | That's all "make clean" does... |
| 01:30:02 | PaulJam | JdGordon: i have no sansa to test, i just thougt it might be related because these strange characters at the end of the padded title don't look like they belong there. |
| 01:34:07 | PaulJam | JdGordon: oh, my h300 just froze too when exiting this setting, but for me it happened with english language while i had no problem with german. |
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| 01:37:21 | TheCollector | I need some help fixing my BL and firmware on my sansa e250. I've followed all the steps, but I can't seem to make any permanent progress. |
| 01:38:24 | TheCollector | after flashing the origional bl, it doesn't seem to be written |
| 01:39:19 | Llorean | There shouldn't be anything like "flashing" in the e200 install. |
| 01:40:06 | TheCollector | sorry, I'm just using that as a generic term for writing the bootloader |
| 01:40:22 | TheCollector | this is the sansa one, though |
| 01:40:50 | mud_ | TheCollector: you're attempting to uninstall rockbox? or update the original firmware or something? |
| 01:41:31 | TheCollector | mud_: no, I accidentally nuked the first partition (the hidden one) while trying to get the microsd card to work |
| 01:41:33 | linuxstb | TheCollector: How are you "flashing" the bootloader? Just transferring it with e200tool doesn't write it. |
| 01:41:40 | preglow | ghah |
| 01:41:45 | preglow | jhMikeS: around? |
| 01:41:56 | jhMikeS | yessir |
| 01:42:08 | TheCollector | linuxstb: what else needs to be done then? |
| 01:42:11 | preglow | jhMikeS: should we integrate this in your patch as well, then? |
| 01:42:23 | linuxstb | TheCollector: What the "unbrick" page says... |
| 01:42:35 | jhMikeS | preglow: add eveything in that can be |
| 01:43:03 | preglow | jhMikeS: aight's, updated patch coming soon |
| 01:43:03 | linuxstb | TheCollector: Sorry, I've just read that page, and it's not clear... |
| 01:43:10 | TheCollector | ok, great |
| 01:43:28 | TheCollector | I was hoping ther ewas just something I missed |
| 01:43:49 | jhMikeS | preglow: i have a few tweaks of my own here |
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| 01:45:08 | preglow | jhMikeS: this SHOULD constitute a full kit, just testing should be needed |
| 01:45:16 | preglow | and stuff like agreeing on encoder options |
| 01:45:21 | preglow | -q 5 might be unnecessarily high |
| 01:46:15 | TheCollector | linuxstb: after I use e200tool to recover the bl, do I need to run it again using the 'write' command? |
| 01:47:20 | jhMikeS | preglow: the quality sounds really high here |
| 01:47:52 | preglow | jhMikeS: hold on, found some bugs |
| 01:48:39 | jhMikeS | I'm going to adjust the stack size down and aim for say 90 ,95%? coldfire uses the most stack. |
| 01:49:38 | preglow | sure |
| 01:49:50 | preglow | why not, stack size should be constant for a given speex mode, like i said |
| 01:50:00 | linuxstb | TheCollector: See this page for some instructions - http://chrisjs.com/?page_id=57 (start at step 6) |
| 01:51:08 | TheCollector | ah, guess I was missing copying the bl to that 16mb partition |
| 01:51:47 | linuxstb | Yes. I'm surprised the wiki doesn't say that. |
| 01:51:49 | jhMikeS | 1824 bytes will be < 95% on coldfire |
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| 01:57:14 | preglow | jhMikeS: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/speex-voicebuilding.patch |
| 01:57:19 | preglow | jhMikeS: apply and please try a voice build |
| 01:57:36 | preglow | jhMikeS: just use configure like before, then choose advance, then voice, then the rest should be self-explanatory |
| 01:58:05 | jhMikeS | ok, gotta clean up. got the speex encoder or is that included? |
| 01:58:13 | preglow | included |
| 01:58:18 | jhMikeS | wee |
| 01:58:25 | preglow | that patch does what the old one does, but adds speex encoder |
| 01:58:27 | preglow | shit |
| 01:58:31 | preglow | i forgot the encoder itself |
| 01:58:35 | jhMikeS | :P |
| 01:58:38 | preglow | do i need to svn add for that? |
| 01:58:51 | preglow | probably, if using svn diff, i expect |
| 01:58:57 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 01:59:12 | preglow | hmm, i'll just smack a license onto it first |
| 01:59:53 | linuxstb | Minor point (it can be fixed later), but why does configure need to check for the presence of rbspeexenc? Couldn't it just be built when you do "make voice"? (similar to how the other tools/ things are built for a normal build) |
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| 02:00:19 | preglow | jhMikeS: updated |
| 02:00:35 | preglow | linuxstb: does configure check for that? |
| 02:00:45 | linuxstb | If I'm reading your diff correctly... |
| 02:00:49 | preglow | right, i added it to the tools list |
| 02:01:06 | linuxstb | The very first hunk in the diff... |
| 02:01:10 | preglow | well, i guess it could... i'm all for not ever touching the build system again |
| 02:01:39 | preglow | linuxstb: well, you'll be pleased to hear that's what happens |
| 02:01:41 | jhMikeS | preglow: really love the voice that you made for h100...quite audible through everything |
| 02:01:46 | preglow | linuxstb: that segment is run on "make voice" |
| 02:01:49 | powr-toc | I get a cannot load rockbox.ipod error |
| 02:02:12 | linuxstb | powr-toc: That means you either forgot to extract rockbox.zip to your ipod, or did it wrongly. |
| 02:02:22 | * | preglow tries to remember which voice that was |
| 02:02:53 | jhMikeS | preglow: is it ready yet? |
| 02:03:02 | preglow | jhMikeS: the patch? yes |
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| 02:03:29 | safetydan | For some reason having Speex for voice seems is the most interesting thing to happen to Rockbox lately. At least for me. :) |
| 02:03:31 | jhMikeS | how much disk space does generating the pcm take? |
| 02:03:38 | * | safetydan is probably just weird |
| 02:03:39 | linuxstb | preglow: Then I think you can simply remove that check from configure. |
| 02:03:42 | preglow | jhMikeS: dunno, not much |
| 02:03:51 | preglow | jhMikeS: btw, i removed a couple of more files in speex here, might give a kb or so less space taken |
| 02:04:06 | jhMikeS | got a link to something to use? I have no such tools |
| 02:04:21 | preglow | linuxstb: well, it looks better than just puking when it's not there for some reason, doesn't it? |
| 02:04:24 | jhMikeS | and yeah you mentioned it earlier but I'm too lazy to go logging |
| 02:04:26 | JdGordon | PaulJam: nuts, ok |
| 02:04:33 | preglow | jhMikeS: windows? linux? |
| 02:04:35 | powr-toc | linuxstb: I've extracted it so I have a .rockbox in my ipod root dir |
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| 02:04:50 | preglow | jhMikeS: espeak, festival, flite |
| 02:04:54 | jhMikeS | I use VMWare so I guess that's linux :) |
| 02:04:58 | linuxstb | preglow: No - it _is_ there, it's just not built until you type "make voice" (which is after you run configure...) |
| 02:05:21 | preglow | linuxstb: afaik, i think it's built with all the other tools as it is now... |
| 02:05:25 | ryanakca | Why is it that every song gets included into the Database 4 times? Any way to correct this? iPod Nano with Tuesday's daily build. |
| 02:05:33 | preglow | linuxstb: if you use voice or no |
| 02:05:37 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, but not until _after_ you run configure... |
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| 02:05:58 | preglow | linuxstb: oh, sure |
| 02:06:15 | jhMikeS | preglow: do I have to remove the last building patch? |
| 02:06:39 | preglow | jhMikeS: yes |
| 02:06:42 | preglow | jhMikeS: this one includes all of it |
| 02:07:00 | jhMikeS | and are these synths and apt-get thing or download somewhere? |
| 02:07:00 | preglow | jhMikeS: they'll continue to do so if i update them, so do keep them hanging around for reversal |
| 02:07:04 | linuxstb | powr-toc: And do you have a file called "rockbox.ipod" inside .rockbox? |
| 02:07:05 | preglow | jhMikeS: apt |
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| 02:07:30 | jhMikeS | hope I have space for this...it's tight on my image |
| 02:08:04 | preglow | the gen itself should be tight enough |
| 02:08:22 | preglow | linuxstb: so building rbspeexenc no matter if you want voice or not is a-ok? |
| 02:08:33 | powr-toc | linuxstb: yes |
| 02:08:35 | linuxstb | ryanakca: Have you tried deleting the database files (*.tcd inside .rockbox) and rebuilding? |
| 02:08:37 | safetydan | ryanakca: check that you don't have duplicates of your songs in hidden directories |
| 02:09:57 | jhMikeS | preglow: which do you recommend of the voice synths |
| 02:10:25 | linuxstb | preglow: No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if you download a clean svn tree, run tools/configure, and select voice, you'll get an error saying rbspeexenc doesn't exist. (IIUC) |
| 02:10:43 | ryanakca | safetydan: ok, will do. |
| 02:10:51 | ryanakca | linuxstb: nope, I'll try that too :) |
| 02:10:56 | preglow | linuxstb: true |
| 02:11:02 | preglow | yes, yes it is |
| 02:11:10 | preglow | linuxstb: i think i was assuming it'd be a binary or something when i wrote that |
| 02:11:15 | powr-toc | linuxstb: seems to work now... I think it might have been a problem with writes not having flushed to disk... I'm using an automount. |
| 02:11:26 | preglow | jhMikeS: i don't really know, i like espeak for its pronounciation, but it sounds metallic |
| 02:11:32 | safetydan | ryanakca: look in your trash folders, so Recycle Bin on Windows or .trash for Macs |
| 02:11:36 | preglow | jhMikeS: it's also the smallest |
| 02:11:52 | jhMikeS | might the H100 one...I like that darth vader thing |
| 02:12:10 | preglow | flite and festival try to sound natural |
| 02:12:38 | linuxstb | powr-toc: Yes, "automount" isn't "autounmount"... |
| 02:12:50 | preglow | espeak sounds like some half drunk guy you found in a pub and had talk into your ring modulator |
| 02:13:36 | powr-toc | linuxstb: yeah... I forget sometimes :-\ |
| 02:13:43 | powr-toc | thanks for your help anyway :) |
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| 02:14:17 | ryanakca | safetydan: eh? why would I look in my trash folder? (Linux btw) |
| 02:14:45 | ryanakca | they wouldn't be on my iPod, would they? |
| 02:15:19 | * | ryanakca thought they were in $HOME/.Trash ... hrm. |
| 02:15:59 | mud-rb | ryanakca: it depends on the setup, but mostly they are on the same partition that you're deleting stuff from i believe, otherwise it would have to do copies all the time when you moved to trash... |
| 02:16:13 | ryanakca | mud-rb: ah |
| 02:16:32 | * | ryanakca checks |
| 02:17:44 | safetydan | ryanakca: ah well the majority of ipod users tend not to be linux users. Bad assumption on my part. |
| 02:18:04 | preglow | jhMikeS: did the rb binary get any smaller, btw? |
| 02:18:33 | ryanakca | safetydan: hehe :D |
| 02:19:10 | jhMikeS | haven't built it yet...was having problems with apt-get wanting a new bloody kernel |
| 02:20:19 | jhMikeS | I do a quicky e200 make bin |
| 02:21:20 | jhMikeS | just got an error about inttypes.h in by bits.o...wtf |
| 02:21:33 | TheCollector | linuxstb: have you ever installed the new fw and bl and had it fail even though it says upgrade successful? |
| 02:21:42 | linuxstb | I don't own a Sansa |
| 02:21:51 | TheCollector | ok |
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| 02:22:22 | jhMikeS | apt-get totally borked my build environment |
| 02:22:36 | jhMikeS | that or it killed the path env variable |
| 02:22:51 | TheCollector | it always goes back to manufacturing mode after it says upgrade finished |
| 02:23:30 | preglow | jhMikeS: \o/ |
| 02:23:44 | jhMikeS | restart? |
| 02:24:06 | preglow | *shrug* |
| 02:24:18 | TheCollector | I wish - it just goes into recovery mode again |
| 02:24:18 | preglow | i usually start screaming and swearing |
| 02:24:23 | preglow | doesn't solve anything, but that's what i usually do |
| 02:24:45 | TheCollector | whoops |
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| 02:25:41 | jhMikeS | ugh...better just finish the upgrade |
| 02:27:26 | jhMikeS | ok, this things gonna pipe me through a whole list of upgrades...could be awhile |
| 02:29:37 | ryanakca | safetydan: `du -a /media/IPOD/ | grep -i mp3 | gev -v kpod | sed -e 's@.*/media@/media@g' | sort` only lists two codec files in .rockbox/ and a couple image files for the themes... so I don't think it's any files hidden away. |
| 02:30:22 | ryanakca | As for the database, I've tried having only one song on the iPod, and recreating the database, but it still shows the song 4 times in the database. |
| 02:30:35 | ryanakca | s/gev/grep/ |
| 02:31:22 | safetydan | ryanakca: do you mean it appears four times in the same list? |
| 02:31:41 | safetydan | also, do you know if it is actually the same song? You might have some songs with duplicate tags. |
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| 02:33:10 | ryanakca | yes. say I have ABC and DFG on the iPod, the list goes 'ABC, ABC, ABC, ABC, DFG, DFG, DFG, DFG'. Because I removed all music from my iPod with amaroK and transfered one song to it. And, before, when I had a pile of songs on there, each and every song was listed 4 times in the database browser/list. |
| 02:33:35 | ryanakca | s/amarok/Amarok/ |
| 02:33:48 | tarehart | I'm having trouble with a sansa e250R installation, can anybody help? |
| 02:34:29 | advcomp2019 | tarehart, what are you having trouble with |
| 02:34:35 | jhMikeS | they must be joking...they give me sources.list entries for etch then it can't stat it :\ |
| 02:34:53 | tarehart | I'm using the automated installer and it can't find the player |
| 02:35:25 | * | preglow isn't too fond of deban |
| 02:35:27 | preglow | debian |
| 02:35:28 | advcomp2019 | you need to do the e200r steps |
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| 02:35:50 | tarehart | I need to go manual? |
| 02:35:57 | scorche | tarehart: the manual says where you need to go |
| 02:36:05 | scorche | it links to a page on the wiki |
| 02:36:26 | ryanakca | tarehart: have you mounted your sansa? |
| 02:36:42 | tarehart | bootloader patching, gotcha |
| 02:37:01 | tarehart | I'll take this as far as I can and come back the next time I make a blunder |
| 02:37:06 | tarehart | thanks |
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| 02:38:29 | jhMikeS | ok, if you get that do the apt-get update thing _after_ adding the sources :\ |
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| 02:44:44 | Segadude | can rockbox play MIDIs |
| 02:44:47 | Segadude | ? |
| 02:45:29 | mud-rb | Segadude: yes |
| 02:45:37 | Segadude | how? |
| 02:46:29 | mud-rb | Segadude: same way as it plays everything else i believe |
| 02:47:21 | thegeek | a cool dude wrote a midi decoder/codec |
| 02:47:38 | Segadude | How do i get it? |
| 02:47:59 | thegeek | I think it comes with rockbox by default? |
| 02:48:04 | PaulPosition | Depending on the target, it does cough on files with more than 3 or 4 tracks in my experience.. |
| 02:48:26 | Segadude | yeah the one i;m trying to play has 33 |
| 02:48:31 | thegeek | hehe |
| 02:48:43 | PaulPosition | It does come with rockbox by default, but you need to find a patchset (an instrument library..) The wiki page on PluginMidiPlayer has info and links to patchset.. |
| 02:49:02 | Segadude | ok thanks |
| 02:49:34 | PaulJam | JdGordon: did you get my PM? |
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| 02:51:07 | preglow | breh |
| 02:51:10 | preglow | i don't make clean properly either |
| 02:54:05 | tarehart | ok, I've got a new problem with installation |
| 02:54:14 | jhMikeS | this is tottaly fucked up now...must be a way out of this circular crap |
| 02:54:29 | preglow | using windows? :P |
| 02:54:33 | tarehart | this pertains to sansa e250R bootloader patching |
| 02:55:01 | jhMikeS | using apt-get...the dependencies are circular |
| 02:55:10 | JdGordon | PaulJam: soz, was afk.. i just saw it |
| 02:55:14 | tarehart | when I connect in manufacturer mode, windows vista isn't letting me install the driver I want |
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| 02:55:41 | TheCollector | jhMikeS: I quit using debian because of that |
| 02:55:46 | preglow | jhMikeS: i've had some crazy shit like you've never seen before with apt-get |
| 02:55:55 | TheCollector | just traded that trouble for others when I switched to slack |
| 02:56:16 | preglow | it truly is capable of just turning itself into useless fluff |
| 02:56:51 | jhMikeS | ah well, I'm not ready to redo everything right now...so I'll have to figure my way through it I suppose |
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| 02:57:31 | advcomp2019 | tarehart, those drivers are for xp not vista at least |
| 02:57:54 | tarehart | that would explain it |
| 02:58:12 | tarehart | do I have any recourse, I wonder |
| 02:59:09 | jhMikeS | preglow: well, if you fixed the crazy shit, any pointers? |
| 02:59:23 | preglow | jhMikeS: a couple so severe i just had to reinstall |
| 02:59:43 | advcomp2019 | tarehart, if you do not have a xp machine you might have to burn a linux livecd and do the linux steps |
| 02:59:43 | preglow | and no, i usually just break down whenever it happens |
| 02:59:58 | tarehart | that would be exciting |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:05 | preglow | jhMikeS: if i used some virtualization stuff, i'd just back up a known working image... |
| 03:00:17 | tarehart | well, thanks for the help so far |
| 03:01:02 | jhMikeS | beh...well I guess I could get a new image...copy the files over and restart |
| 03:04:07 | preglow | what about using windows? |
| 03:04:22 | preglow | sounded like you had a dev env running there anyway |
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| 03:04:53 | jhMikeS | aha...got it I think :) |
| 03:07:33 | jhMikeS | ugh...maybe noty |
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| 03:09:49 | preglow | :/ |
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| 03:10:02 | preglow | few things annoy me more than having to fight with my operating system |
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| 03:20:29 | ryanakca | to reboot on nano after building database, does that mean menu + select or play/pause followed by select? |
| 03:20:40 | jhMikeS | which frontend is usually installed with the VMWare image? |
| 03:21:22 | scorche | as in WM? |
| 03:21:50 | jhMikeS | It shows Dialog/Readline/Gnome/... |
| 03:22:32 | scorche | well, the image uses fluxbox... |
| 03:25:53 | tarehart | my installation still won't work, even on XP |
| 03:26:12 | tarehart | I'm following the instructions here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation |
| 03:26:32 | tarehart | on step 4 of the windows installer |
| 03:27:01 | tarehart | the "wizard" tells me it can't find a better match for my hardware than the software I currently have installed |
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| 03:28:04 | JdGordon | can someone with a radio target please test the patch i attached to FS #8168 and elt me know if that fixes the problem? |
| 03:28:39 | preglow | perhaps tomorrow, bedtime now :/ |
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| 03:30:56 | advcomp2019 | tarehart, those are the drivers that you downloaded |
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| 03:37:53 | tarehart | it auto-installed them off my desktop? |
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| 03:38:32 | tarehart | it's moot right now, though, because I just bricked the fucking thing |
| 03:39:06 | tarehart | or flashlighted it, you might say |
| 03:39:36 | oblib | Is there anything I can do to help debug the nano problem? |
| 03:41:54 | advcomp2019 | tarehart, what is it doing now |
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| 03:42:25 | tarehart | the screen began to artifact into interlaced bands that converged on gray |
| 03:42:36 | tarehart | now the screen is all gray, and it is utterly nonresponsive |
| 03:42:44 | male | What nano problem? |
| 03:42:50 | tarehart | can't turn it off |
| 03:43:18 | male | tarehart: Just reboot it. |
| 03:43:21 | oblib | male, selective (lucky) nano's haven't worked since July. Playback skips, and eventually the ipod crashes |
| 03:43:43 | tarehart | is there a special trick to rebooting it? |
| 03:43:48 | male | oblib: Good thing I'm so unlucky. |
| 03:43:51 | tarehart | holding power does nothing |
| 03:44:01 | oblib | male, tough for you I guess :) |
| 03:44:49 | advcomp2019 | tarehart, remove the battery if the power button for 30 seconds |
| 03:44:57 | oblib | Does anyone know enough about nano hardware to tell me where the timing is set up to access flash? |
| 03:45:52 | tarehart | cool, it booted |
| 03:49:11 | tarehart | still can't patch, though |
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| 03:51:06 | jpt9 | hey |
| 03:51:20 | jpt9 | is there any way to get the scroll wheel to scroll by pages in the text viewer on the e200? |
| 03:51:38 | jpt9 | also, an option to rotate the screen might be neat (as well as the ability to pick a different font for ebooks). |
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| 03:52:19 | tarehart | hell, I think I'm just going to send this one back to woot.com and get a regular e250 |
| 03:52:31 | tarehart | I think this one was refurbed for a reason |
| 03:52:50 | jpt9 | tarehart: what's wrong with it? |
| 03:52:57 | TheCollector | don't screw it up like I did |
| 03:53:14 | tarehart | nothing designed to recognize it can find it |
| 03:53:24 | jpt9 | oh. |
| 03:53:25 | tarehart | not even the sensa media converter |
| 03:53:36 | TheCollector | tarehart: what os are you running? |
| 03:53:39 | tarehart | vista |
| 03:53:42 | TheCollector | oh |
| 03:53:44 | jpt9 | amazon has the 8GB model (the e280) for only $120 :-) |
| 03:53:51 | tarehart | it shows up as usb mass storage, but that's it |
| 03:53:58 | * | jpt9 rockboxed his woot e250R, and is extremely happy. |
| 03:54:10 | TheCollector | try the ubuntu livecd and see if you can get it working that way |
| 03:54:24 | tarehart | oh yeah, forgot that option already |
| 03:54:33 | tarehart | can I stick ubuntu on my thumb drive? |
| 03:54:45 | TheCollector | probably, but not easily |
| 03:54:52 | TheCollector | just burn it to a cd |
| 03:54:54 | jpt9 | try damn small linux if you want to do that. |
| 03:55:04 | jpt9 | (run linux off a USB key, that is...) |
| 03:55:09 | tarehart | ok |
| 03:55:21 | tarehart | I just don't have any CD-R's laying around |
| 03:55:39 | TheCollector | jpt9: have you ever had to go into the recovery mode to replace the bootloader/fw on your e250? |
| 03:55:48 | jpt9 | nope. |
| 03:55:51 | jpt9 | i just got it today. |
| 03:55:55 | TheCollector | ah |
| 03:55:55 | jpt9 | and rockbox works perfectly... |
| 03:56:04 | jpt9 | (well, i managed to crash it in the text viewer... |
| 03:56:11 | jpt9 | but I was viewing a rather long product manual) |
| 03:56:13 | TheCollector | are you using a microsd card with it? |
| 03:56:42 | jpt9 | no. |
| 03:56:45 | * | Mouser_X is still waiting for his Sansa e250 to arrive... |
| 03:56:47 | Mouser_X | :( |
| 03:56:48 | * | jpt9 wants one. |
| 03:57:01 | TheCollector | ah |
| 03:57:21 | TheCollector | I had one and I couldn't write to the card |
| 03:57:28 | jpt9 | hmm... |
| 03:57:44 | TheCollector | yeah, and the card worked in my camera, so I know it's good |
| 03:57:53 | radinp | I've got a developer question here. I'm looking to implement "the Karaoke Mode" feature request. It would seem pretty easy to implement but I'm having a hard time finding specifications for how Lyrics should be decoded from the mp3 metadata section. I've tried a standard google search and I've haven't come up with much. Any suggestions? |
| 03:58:15 | TheCollector | Mouser_X: that fedex smartpost is incredibly slow, huh? |
| 03:58:19 | Mouser_X | I don't have mine yet (nor do I have a Micro SD to go with it), so I don't know how that works. Rockbox might only be able to read the card, and not write to it? |
| 03:58:35 | jpt9 | smartpost wasn't too slow for me; about a week to get there. |
| 03:58:59 | Mouser_X | Yah, I thought it'd be about a week... |
| 03:59:01 | TheCollector | ah, I live 200mi from woot.com's shipping facility, and it took almost a week |
| 03:59:08 | jpt9 | sucky. |
| 03:59:11 | TheCollector | yeah |
| 03:59:18 | JdGordon | 200mi isnt that much.. slack buggers |
| 03:59:19 | jpt9 | next time, don't bother ordering online. |
| 03:59:21 | jpt9 | walk to woot... |
| 03:59:24 | jpt9 | and ask them for one :-) |
| 03:59:26 | JdGordon | thats what? 4h rive? |
| 03:59:27 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 03:59:29 | TheCollector | hehe |
| 03:59:33 | JdGordon | drive* |
| 03:59:39 | TheCollector | JdGordon: about |
| 03:59:47 | JdGordon | thats NOTHNG! |
| 03:59:47 | jpt9 | that would work too. |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:09 | Mouser_X | It'd save on shipping, but think about the gas prices. :P |
| 04:00:09 | TheCollector | anyways, rockbox can't write to the card, but the default fw should be able to |
| 04:00:27 | TheCollector | Mouser_X: esp. in my truck =( |
| 04:00:37 | JdGordon | your petrol is cheaper than ours still... |
| 04:01:08 | Mouser_X | :( @ JdGordon |
| 04:01:20 | TheCollector | yeah, I'm sorry for you |
| 04:01:21 | Mouser_X | I'm sorry to hear that. |
| 04:01:39 | * | JdGordon goned |
| 04:02:09 | TheCollector | does anyone know if chrisjs hangs out on irc? |
| 04:03:10 | tarehart | do I just extract the damn small linux iso to my flash drive and then change the boot order? |
| 04:03:20 | Mouser_X | I have no idea who that is. I've heard of Chris J. Hampton, but he has nothing to do with Rockbox, that I'm aware of. |
| 04:03:37 | TheCollector | Mouser_X: http://chrisjs.com/ |
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| 04:06:29 | TheCollector | guess either him or daniel might be able to help |
| 04:10:10 | Mouser_X | That looks like an interesting build, but I'll probably stick to the SVN build. |
| 04:11:17 | TheCollector | I tried it out for a while, but was about to go back to SVN when I bricked my sansa |
| 04:11:48 | Doomed_ | he comes on once and a while |
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| 04:12:05 | TheCollector | chris or daniel? |
| 04:12:11 | TheCollector | I'm guessing daniel |
| 04:12:20 | alienbiker99 | chris |
| 04:12:25 | TheCollector | ok |
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| 04:15:58 | Mouser_X | TheCollector: Bricked your Sansa? What'd you do? From what I've heard, there's little that you could have done to have bricked it. You should be able to recover it. |
| 04:16:14 | oblib | How hard is it to brick a Nano? Like if I mess up the CPU or IDE timing? |
| 04:16:26 | TheCollector | well, bricked is probably an overstatement, as I can get to recovery mode |
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| 04:16:39 | mathayas | hi, all |
| 04:17:09 | TheCollector | I accidentally formatted the os/2 part. on it, and since then I haven't been able to do much |
| 04:17:21 | mathayas | does rockbox support the sansa c250? More precisely, does it support voice recording on the c200 port? |
| 04:17:54 | TheCollector | yes; and I believe so |
| 04:18:07 | TheCollector | not 100% on the recording though |
| 04:18:10 | mathayas | and, if I didn't know myself what all the recording options meant, I'd help out by adding that section the manual. but since I don't, can someone please explain (triggers? What are those) |
| 04:18:38 | mathayas | well, what can you do. All I want to do is use the internal mic but I'm not sure what options are available and if there are any, what they'd all mean |
| 04:19:26 | mathayas | I've got an ipod video and half the recording settings I'm all caught up in, I understand the bitrate, and the filetype (I can't really remember the option it was now, something like incoding), but I'm curious what the rest of the options meant, such as, um, let me grab my ipod video |
| 04:20:38 | mathayas | blargh its all discharged. anyway there was something like triggering, which wasn't at all speech accessible (at least the last time I checked), file path (self explanitory), but there were also a few more options. also, another question; how would I get into the flash card on the sansa- I was just browsing through the manual but I didn't see anything abou |
| 04:21:09 | mathayas | I didn't see any sd card support or anything - and I heard it doesnt support the second gen 200 series? was the 250 included in that? |
| 04:21:19 | mathayas | sorry for rambling on and everything |
| 04:23:33 | PaulPosition | Mathayas - The recording options aren't detailed in some manuals because (I think) it's still pretty recent.. If you look at the manuals for, say, the iriver hp120 they are detailed. |
| 04:24:07 | PaulPosition | (probably because recording has been functioning for a while on those targets) |
| 04:24:10 | mathayas | ah, thanks. and it has all the options the sansa does, recording wise, minus, perhaps, a few? |
| 04:24:37 | mathayas | hmmm yeah, I can see that. well, maybe I'll get brave enough to make a section in the manual, as little difference as it'd make |
| 04:24:45 | PaulPosition | mathayas - It had all the options my H10 has, mostly. And the H10 uses the almost-same chipset as Sansa so... |
| 04:25:14 | mathayas | so, in other news, I'm guessing since the e200 series is a bit older than the c200 series, that sd cards would be more in detail on that manual? |
| 04:26:52 | PaulPosition | I don't know.. I think I read the cards would work if they are pre-formatted (say, in a card-reader).. Don't take my word for it, though. But there are lots of threads about it in the forums. |
| 04:28:00 | mathayas | forems, of course. I'm such an idiot, but I'm just in need of a voice recording player and I don't know how much longer this one will be in stores for. thanks a lot, I appreciate this. oh, btw. any idea the runtime on the thing, and what does it mean user replaceable battery? its not just a double or tripple a battery? |
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| 04:30:27 | oblib | Can someone explain how the following C code works? IISFIFO_WR is an address offset: IISFIFO_WR = *dma_play_data.p++; |
| 04:30:43 | oblib | How does that write to IISFIFO_WR address? |
| 04:31:09 | oblib | It looks like it should reassign IISFIFO_WR to be the address of dma_play_data |
| 04:31:16 | oblib | .p |
| 04:33:20 | oblib | Oh, actually IISFIFO_WR = (*(volatile unsigned long*)(0x70002840)) |
| 04:34:50 | oblib | never mind |
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| 04:47:27 | mathayas | forems, of course. I'm such an idiot, but I'm just in need of a voice recording player and I don't know how much longer this one will be in stores for. thanks a lot, I appreciate this. oh, btw. any idea the runtime on the thing, and what does it mean user replaceable battery? its not just a double or tripple a battery? |
| 04:47:36 | mathayas | oops,, sorry |
| 04:47:58 | Mouser_X | I've done at least as bad. |
| 04:48:23 | mathayas | well, how long does the battery run on the c200? just curious- longer than the ipod? |
| 04:48:37 | Mouser_X | No idea, but probably. |
| 04:48:37 | mathayas | I'd think it would run longer, considering the fact there's no hdd |
| 04:48:47 | Mouser_X | That's my thinking. |
| 04:48:57 | mathayas | so what do you use as a player? |
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| 04:51:18 | Mouser_X | I have a Gigabeat F40, though I've got a Sansa e250 coming in the mail. |
| 04:51:30 | Mouser_X | (I'll still be using the Gigabeat most of the time though.) |
| 04:51:58 | Anderoooo | g'evening folks.... |
| 04:52:21 | Anderoooo | i'm a newbie to rockbox, but i have a question regarding formatting on themes.. |
| 04:52:44 | Mouser_X | Since I'm not a psychic, it's usually best if you just come out and ask. |
| 04:53:07 | Anderoooo | the clock on my screen is displaying the right hour:Mc... |
| 04:53:25 | Anderoooo | for instance, right now it says "19:Mc" |
| 04:53:51 | safetydan | Anderoooo: sounds like your WPS needs updating for the current clock syntax |
| 04:54:29 | safetydan | Anderoooo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Real_Time_Clock |
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| 04:55:21 | Anderoooo | safetydan: you rawk the casbah.. i'll give it a shot and let you know... =) |
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| 05:00:30 | safetydan | does album art work on grayscale bitmap displays? |
| 05:01:19 | Anderoooo | okay.. i found the problem... |
| 05:01:38 | Anderoooo | it was with the wps file for the blackglass mgr theme (nano) |
| 05:02:06 | Anderoooo | but now that i have corrected the typo, its not updating on the ipod |
| 05:02:14 | Anderoooo | is there something i need to refresh? |
| 05:02:50 | safetydan | Anderoooo: you may need to reselect the theme |
| 05:03:00 | Anderoooo | tried that |
| 05:03:41 | Anderoooo | the author accidentally put "%Mc" for the minute marker instead of %cM" |
| 05:03:53 | safetydan | not sure then as I don't play with WPS stuff that much |
| 05:04:04 | Anderoooo | cool.. thanks tho |
| 05:05:55 | oblib | Anyone here have a Nano that doesn't work with recent builds? I need to test a fix |
| 05:06:28 | Anderoooo | i just installed my nano today with the current build and it works fine |
| 05:07:01 | oblib | Did you compile it? |
| 05:07:24 | Anderoooo | negative... i let talented people do the hard work for me. =) |
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| 05:12:59 | oblib | Anyone here use a nano and compile their own source (and could test a patch for me)? |
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| 05:18:22 | psycho_maniac | anybody here have an ipod video? |
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| 05:18:35 | mathayas | yeah, me |
| 05:19:08 | psycho_maniac | do you use album art? |
| 05:19:24 | mathayas | nope, got no use for it, since I'm blind. |
| 05:19:33 | mathayas | sorry |
| 05:21:31 | * | Mouser_X deleted all the album art on his player, to make more room for music. |
| 05:23:50 | psycho_maniac | can somebody test this please? this is for the ipod video: http://stashbox.org/51216/Cobalt.zip |
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| 05:27:58 | male | oblib: I use a nano and compile. |
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| 05:32:03 | psycho_maniac | I would also like this one tested as well. same player: http://stashbox.org/51217/BlackGlass-AA.zip |
| 05:32:50 | oblib | male, could you apply the patch I just pasted on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7510 and tell me if it breaks anything? |
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| 05:33:08 | oblib | Should be as simple as playing a file and making sure it doesn't skip or anything |
| 05:34:03 | male | I would, but the latest svn update broke my build :-( |
| 05:34:21 | male | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `system.h', needed by `/home/male/dnl/src/rockbox/Rockbox/build-dir/firmware/ata_idle_notify.o'. Stop. |
| 05:34:42 | oblib | did you 'make clean'? |
| 05:35:04 | oblib | If that doesn't work, do tools/configure again |
| 05:35:14 | male | I did configure. |
| 05:35:47 | male | omment by oblib (oblib__) - Friday, 16 November 2007, 05:23 GMT+1 |
| 05:35:53 | male | Is this the patch you want tested? |
| 05:36:06 | oblib | yup, the very bottom of the page |
| 05:36:09 | male | Make clean doesn't help, btw. |
| 05:37:27 | oblib | Anyone with a PP502x processor, please test my patch and let me know if it introduces skipping or breaks anything else. That would be ipod4g, h10, ipodvideo, ipodmini1g and 2g, and ipodnano |
| 05:37:46 | oblib | Locate here http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7510 at the bottom of the page |
| 05:39:44 | psycho_maniac | anybody know why i am getting this error? http://paste.uni.cc/17603 |
| 05:41:24 | oblib | psycho_maniac, you need to put arm-elf-gcc in your current path |
| 05:41:25 | psycho_maniac | or do i have to redownload the source again? |
| 05:41:42 | psycho_maniac | i have never had to do this before. why does it tell me to do this now? |
| 05:41:55 | oblib | export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/arm-elf/bin/ |
| 05:42:10 | oblib | Have you rebooted or something since you first set it up? |
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| 05:42:46 | psycho_maniac | im not sure. should i try a reboot? |
| 05:43:43 | oblib | no |
| 05:44:11 | oblib | if you reboot, your path is reset to default, unless you add the arm-elf to it in a config file somewhere |
| 05:44:21 | oblib | Are you in linux? |
| 05:44:45 | Mouser_X | psycho_maniac: For cygwin, I had to put "export PATH=$PATH:/opt/arm/bin" |
| 05:45:01 | psycho_maniac | no i didnt do anything but i noticed that my rockbox wallpaper is not there anymore |
| 05:45:26 | Mouser_X | I don't know if that command/ocation is the same for Linux though. |
| 05:45:34 | Mouser_X | */location |
| 05:45:40 | psycho_maniac | i loaded it today noticed the wallpaper was not there and also the colors were different. |
| 05:46:03 | oblib | after recompiling? |
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| 05:46:45 | psycho_maniac | after reverting my svn |
| 05:48:21 | oblib | Did you delete your config file? |
| 05:48:33 | psycho_maniac | i didnt do anything. what config file? |
| 05:49:02 | oblib | There is a config file in your .rockbox directory on your player which holds all your settings. If you delete .rockbox, your settings go too |
| 05:50:01 | psycho_maniac | also what would make the colors go to (default?) and make my wallpaper dissappear |
| 05:50:32 | oblib | deleting your settings would make everything go default. I don't know about wallpapers, I've never tried to use one. |
| 05:50:58 | tarehart | I'm in the middle of trying to install rockbox on a sansa e250R from ubuntu, and now I need a touch of linux help |
| 05:51:15 | psycho_maniac | its the default one. shows rockbox in the background. |
| 05:51:39 | oblib | psycho_maniac, sounds like you lost your settings |
| 05:51:39 | tarehart | I've got e200rpatcher.linux on my desktop |
| 05:52:28 | psycho_maniac | what would i have to do to get my settings back? |
| 05:52:29 | tarehart | but sudo ./e200rpatcher.linux doesn't give me anything |
| 05:53:32 | tarehart | Unknown id, it says |
| 05:53:37 | oblib | tarehart, are you in your Desktop directory? |
| 05:53:46 | tarehart | yes |
| 05:53:57 | safetydan | oblib: how did you figure out that bit on ide0? |
| 05:54:37 | oblib | safetydan, looked at http://ipodlinux.org/PP5020 and saw the bit that said 0x10000000 - cpu > 65MHz and thought "hmmm, that looks suspicious" |
| 05:55:16 | oblib | given that the problem manifested itself with a higher clock speed, and it seemed to be an IDE problem |
| 05:55:49 | safetydan | oblib: that pretty much matches with most peoples suspicions about the cause |
| 05:56:28 | oblib | safetydan, those were the suspicions I was working off of |
| 05:57:12 | safetydan | be nice to get that one sorted out |
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| 05:58:16 | oblib | I just barely tried to sync (since last May) and found this problem. Glad I could help |
| 05:58:19 | tarehart | anybody? |
| 05:58:39 | oblib | tarehart, is it set for executable permissions? |
| 05:59:02 | tarehart | I'm a linux noob; how do I find out? |
| 05:59:16 | male | rm -rf / |
| 05:59:16 | psycho_maniac | how did i lose my settings? |
| 05:59:19 | oblib | type ls -l |
| 05:59:22 | oblib | ignore male |
| 05:59:22 | male | *JUST KIDDING* |
| 05:59:53 | oblib | on the left is the permissions, looks like "-rw-r−−r−−" |
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| 06:00:23 | male | You really want test -x foo && echo Yes! |
| 06:00:36 | psycho_maniac | finially im back to only one patch again :) |
| 06:00:37 | tarehart | it looks exactly like that next to e200r... |
| 06:00:38 | oblib | it should have an x, like "-rwxr−−r−−" |
| 06:00:49 | tarehart | oh, nope |
| 06:00:55 | oblib | sudo chmod 755 e200r... |
| 06:00:57 | tarehart | -rw-r−−r−− |
| 06:01:08 | oblib | that makes it executable for root, group, and world |
| 06:01:20 | oblib | learn about permissions some time, it's important |
| 06:01:29 | tarehart | ok |
| 06:01:42 | male | Not as important as having an Ubuntu coffee mug... |
| 06:01:48 | tarehart | holy moley, it's working! |
| 06:02:10 | tarehart | will post trip report soon |
| 06:02:25 | tarehart | thanks for the help so far |
| 06:02:33 | oblib | yup |
| 06:04:11 | oblib | safetydan, are you a developer? |
| 06:05:02 | PaulPosition | Anyone with a pp502x dap other than H10 would try to create a screendump? I'd just like to know if I report a bug specific to that platform (h10) or to the Portalplayer chipset. |
| 06:05:42 | PaulPosition | (screendump fail, and usb detection hangs, leaving the status bar reporting charging even when cable is out) |
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| 06:09:47 | oblib | PaulPosition, I've got a nano sitting here, what should I do? |
| 06:10:51 | PaulPosition | oblib - Usually, you'd go into system->debug->screendump. When it says 'screendump enabled', you can plug the usb and unplug it to trigger a screendump. It *should* create a .bmp in the root of the dap. |
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| 06:11:32 | PaulPosition | What I get is no .bmp, plus the statusbar keeps reporting the cable is plugged in and it's charging. |
| 06:11:54 | safetydan | oblib: yeah, though I haven't done much for a while |
| 06:12:24 | oblib | PaulPosition, how long do I leave it plugged in? until it switches to disk mode? |
| 06:12:37 | PaulPosition | oblib - No need to, a second is enough. |
| 06:12:39 | oblib | safetydan, just wondering who should make the decision on whether to commit my fix or not |
| 06:13:33 | oblib | PaulPosition, works fine |
| 06:13:45 | oblib | PaulPosition, that causes your H10 to crash? |
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| 06:13:53 | PaulPosition | oblib - btw, what does it fix? I might update my svn now that I pinpointed my screendump problem (backtracked to september 4, lol). |
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| 06:14:21 | PaulPosition | oblib - nope. Just no screendump AND the device doesn't sense the usb getting unplugged. |
| 06:14:25 | oblib | PaulPosition, some Nanos were getting skipping and lockups with a change done back in July |
| 06:14:26 | safetydan | oblib: probably one of the devs who actually has a nano. Try talking to amiconn when he shows up |
| 06:14:57 | oblib | yeah, amiconn "found" the bug in the first place with a bunch of changes he made |
| 06:15:21 | oblib | PaulPosition, can you try my patch and see if it causes you any problems? |
| 06:15:39 | PaulPosition | oblib - In a few minutes, I will :) |
| 06:16:06 | psycho_maniac | ok i guess i had to redownload the srouce again :( |
| 06:16:25 | PaulPosition | oblib - So you did get a .bmp in your root, right? thanks. |
| 06:16:47 | oblib | PaulPosition, yes, three of them, because I got no indication that it was doing anything |
| 06:16:54 | psycho_maniac | PaulPosition: are you using patches? this could cause the problem |
| 06:17:01 | oblib | I guess my file browser is set to ignore .bmp files |
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| 06:18:08 | oblib | psycho_maniac, your settings are stored in .rockbox/config.cfg, so if you ever overwrite or delete that file, you lose your settings. If you back it up, you can restore them later if you accidently kill it |
| 06:18:22 | oblib | psycho_maniac, I missed your question before, sorry, hence the late reply |
| 06:18:55 | psycho_maniac | thats ok. i only takes me 2.5 hours to download the source ;) |
| 06:20:11 | PaulPosition | Well, reported 'my' unimportant bug as FS #8170 ... Now to update and see if oblib's patch screw my h10. |
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| 06:22:22 | psycho_maniac | PaulPosition: do you have an ipod video? |
| 06:25:39 | mathayas | what player is this changed applied for? |
| 06:25:40 | mathayas | Work in progress fixes to the remote button handling. Now the remote can be unplugged and then plugged in and it will work. |
| 06:25:52 | mathayas | change done by Nils Wallménius |
| 06:26:19 | PaulPosition | psychomanic - sorry, nope. iRiver h10 is all I got. |
| 06:27:21 | PaulPosition | psychomaniac - Not at all (patches), no. I retrieved and built 17 different svn revisions to pinpoint the bug so... :p |
| 06:27:38 | psycho_maniac | anybody here that uses album art and has an ipod video want to test a theme i think i fixed. |
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| 06:29:18 | PaulPosition | oblib - So where can I find your patch to try and see if it bork my h10? |
| 06:29:47 | oblib | PaulPosition, oh, I thought you were testing. Here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13788.0 |
| 06:30:44 | oblib | You shouldn't see any difference. If it breaks something it would most likely be skipping in music, especially processor intensive codecs |
| 06:31:42 | male | oblib your patch doesn't apply. |
| 06:32:15 | oblib | male, ? |
| 06:32:49 | male | patch: **** malformed patch at line 4: MLCD_SCLK_DIV = 0x00000001; /* Mono LCD bridge serial clock divider */ |
| 06:33:46 | oblib | male, did you copy and paste it into a file? Do you have any extra lines anywhere? |
| 06:34:10 | male | oblib: Yes. No extra lines. |
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| 06:34:28 | male | oblib: mightn't you just attach it as a file? |
| 06:34:51 | oblib | probably should. Are you looking at the bug report or the forum post? |
| 06:34:59 | Mouser_X | Processor heavy codecs would probably be NSF, and SPC. Just pointing that out, in case using them is helpful. |
| 06:35:04 | male | I'm looking at the link you gave me ;-) |
| 06:35:21 | oblib | NSF is actually fairly light I believe. SPX are good. |
| 06:35:40 | male | oblib: I have 1.2 firmware, btw. |
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| 06:35:54 | oblib | male, shouldn't matter. That was a red herring |
| 06:36:02 | Mouser_X | Huh. I didn't know that for NSF. |
| 06:36:45 | male | Is it a problem with the 4GB nano then? |
| 06:36:48 | oblib | Mouser_X, my method of testing: play file, and then load the plasma demo. If plasma updates a lot, that means a processor intensive codec. I don't know if that is true or not |
| 06:36:56 | oblib | male, only some 4GB nanos |
| 06:37:08 | male | Mine is a 2GB. |
| 06:38:42 | oblib | male, I added patch. I want to see if it breaks a nano that didn't have the problem previously. |
| 06:39:12 | oblib | male, on the bug web page, I mean |
| 06:40:27 | oblib | male, it was a spacing issue. The bug post did not preserve leading spaces |
| 06:40:54 | male | It's okay, I applied it manually. |
| 06:40:57 | male | I just wanted you to know. |
| 06:41:14 | PaulPosition | oblib - got the same sort of error as male, gonna dl the file and see... |
| 06:42:14 | oblib | PaulPosition, look here for file: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7510 |
| 06:43:09 | PaulPosition | I just saw you uploaded it... building now. |
| 06:43:25 | male | oblib: what am I looking for? |
| 06:44:00 | PaulPosition | Not sure I have any real 'processor intensive' file to test, though... ~200kb vbr mp3 is what I have, mostly.. |
| 06:44:05 | oblib | See if playback works fine. If there's a problem you might see skipping, or lockups. Play a couple of different files, maybe run a plugin at the same time |
| 06:44:26 | oblib | The plasma demo seems pretty processor intensive |
| 06:44:29 | * | male is playing some Johnny Cash and running demos. |
| 06:44:43 | male | I'll say. |
| 06:44:49 | male | Slow. But no skips. |
| 06:44:56 | oblib | what's slow? |
| 06:45:00 | male | Plasma. |
| 06:45:18 | male | Slow and jerky. |
| 06:45:26 | oblib | yeah. I think you can see when the processor speed bumps up and down. 30Mhz for slow, and 80 MHz for faster jerks |
| 06:45:27 | male | Should it not be? |
| 06:45:35 | Llorean | Since the problem is ATA, there's really not much point in running a plugin *after* buffering completes |
| 06:45:39 | oblib | That's what I see to (and saw before patch) |
| 06:45:49 | Llorean | At that point you're running from RAM, so any IDE or ATA related fix shouldn't matter |
| 06:46:00 | oblib | Llorean, the idea is to get more processor speed bumps |
| 06:46:11 | Llorean | oblib: No. |
| 06:46:13 | male | Well, I'm skipping through tracks and shit and nothing weird yet. |
| 06:46:17 | Llorean | The processor is always boosted during buffering. |
| 06:46:39 | oblib | Llorean, okay, I couldn't think of any other way to stress it |
| 06:46:46 | Llorean | You don't need to stress the processor... |
| 06:47:00 | oblib | in that case, skip around, load different playlists, etc. |
| 06:47:07 | Llorean | It's always boosted during buffering, and the data almost certainly must be corrupted either during the transfer from flash to RAM. |
| 06:47:22 | male | These are all ogg/vorbis files BTW. |
| 06:47:42 | male | Seems to be working fine. |
| 06:47:54 | oblib | I would think it would. Thanks for checking for me |
| 06:48:03 | oblib | PaulPosition, you seeing anything weird? |
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| 06:49:17 | oblib | Llorean, have you looked at the patch yet? Can you see any problems that could arise from interrupts or anything? I'm not much of an embedded systems programmer |
| 06:49:35 | PaulPosition | copying files... My computer is a dog, takes time to 'make' :p |
| 06:49:59 | Llorean | oblib: Honestly, I've no clue. There are much better people to ask, probably. Maybe wait 'till amiconn's around, he might have an idea. |
| 06:50:00 | oblib | I don't know what happens if the IDE_CFG bit is set, but the processor is < 65MHz |
| 06:50:16 | PaulPosition | But wouldn't it be something that should branch to only nano-specific builds? (or is that unRockbox?) |
| 06:50:43 | Llorean | PaulPosition: Hardware config is almost always specific to single or small ranges of players. |
| 06:50:58 | oblib | PaulPosition, it's something that applies to all PP205x, but has never been used. Apparently it was only necessary in these few Nanos |
| 06:51:30 | oblib | PaulPosition, if there are problems with other players, we can limit it to Nanos, but I don't believe there will be |
| 06:52:04 | safetydan | oblib: the only thing I'd check is whether to clear that bit before or after the pll changes |
| 06:52:28 | PaulPosition | Any way to weight with/without patch applied? Like a plugin with fps meter or something? Or is that irelevant? |
| 06:52:50 | Llorean | PaulPosition: FPS? |
| 06:52:59 | oblib | safetydan, yeah, that's what I don't know. If it interrupts after the bit change, but before PLL, we could see IDE reads with that bit set. I don't know what that does. |
| 06:53:03 | PaulPosition | err, frame per second.. |
| 06:53:04 | oblib | PaulPosition, does not apply |
| 06:53:04 | male | Fuckups Per Second. |
| 06:53:10 | PaulPosition | ah. |
| 06:53:10 | Llorean | PaulPosition: I mean, why are FPS relevant? |
| 06:53:56 | PaulPosition | Dunno, I would have thought if we're looking whether things becomes sluggish or iresponsive then fps would suffer but −− what do I know? nothing, really. :p |
| 06:55:11 | PaulPosition | Okay. Well this *is* interesting : it just hangs on the bootscreen. |
| 06:55:29 | oblib | PaulPosition, what we're looking for is disk reads during a processor boost. The way to test is loading different files/playlists |
| 06:55:41 | oblib | PaulPosition, hmm, that's never good. Maybe it's nano only after all |
| 06:55:58 | PaulPosition | Let's reset and try again.. (/me takes the battery out) |
| 06:56:26 | PaulPosition | to be sure ah... went through this time. :p |
| 06:56:44 | oblib | interesting |
| 06:57:00 | oblib | maybe in your case a couple of reboots/reloads would be useful |
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| 06:57:51 | PaulPosition | Hmm.. But froze on the first mp3 I tried playing. Let's go for reboot #2. |
| 06:58:47 | oblib | Is the H10 a hard drive player, or flash? |
| 06:59:16 | PaulPosition | hard drive. |
| 06:59:46 | PaulPosition | Hmm hang on boots again.. How do I revert a patch? Gonna test a clean svn to be sure the problem isn't elsewhere.. |
| 06:59:54 | PaulPosition | patch -R -p0 ... ? |
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| 07:00:10 | PaulPosition | oh, almost. |
| 07:00:25 | oblib | PaulPosition, I'm not sure |
| 07:00:47 | male | PaulPosition: -R is correct. |
| 07:01:25 | oblib | safetydan, looks like it's not a problem. I just remove the un-setting of the bit, and it works just fine. So technically that bit should only need to be set during init, though that goes against the register description |
| 07:01:47 | oblib | *remove=removed |
| 07:02:11 | safetydan | oblib: well that's either going to require some reverse engineering or a lot of testing to verify |
| 07:02:13 | amiconn | mo0ning |
| 07:02:22 | amiconn | oblib, PaulPosition: That patch is clearly broken |
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| 07:02:46 | oblib | amiconn, clearly in general, or clearly for PaulPosition? |
| 07:03:04 | PaulPosition | Heh... clearly for me. booted once in 10 reboots. |
| 07:03:15 | amiconn | It only clears the bit at >65MHz on PP5020, and only sets it at <65MHz on PP5022/5024 |
| 07:03:18 | oblib | So looks like it's Nano only then |
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| 07:03:38 | oblib | ? Is my bit logic backwards? |
| 07:03:47 | webguest22 | allo |
| 07:04:12 | amiconn | (1) backwards and (2) switches only one direction ona yn PP502x |
| 07:04:13 | webguest22 | any super smart troubleshooters on? |
| 07:04:26 | amiconn | s/ona yn/on any/ |
| 07:04:45 | amiconn | <= not fully awake ;) |
| 07:05:04 | PaulPosition | webguest22 - lots of super, many smart, some troubleshooters. Shoot up your question and we'll see who qualifies. |
| 07:05:20 | oblib | IDE0_CFG &=~(0x10000000); clears the bit, no? |
| 07:05:36 | amiconn | yes |
| 07:05:48 | amiconn | But you need to clear it at <65MHz iiuc |
| 07:05:51 | oblib | IDE0_CFG |= (0x10000000); sets the bit |
| 07:05:58 | webguest22 | so does anyone ever have a problem when they turn up there volume rockbox will sto playing music and then will not let me play any until i reset it? |
| 07:06:04 | oblib | huh, you're right... |
| 07:06:16 | amiconn | YOu can leave out the () btw, they're just visual noise |
| 07:06:27 | oblib | For some reason I thought normal was first. |
| 07:06:33 | amiconn | oblib: And you forgot CPUFREQ_DEFAULT altogether |
| 07:06:37 | oblib | () is left over from copy/paste |
| 07:07:05 | safetydan | webguest22: on what player? |
| 07:07:11 | PaulPosition | webguest - never heard that one. Recent build? |
| 07:07:29 | webguest22 | it happend in an old build from almost 2 years ago |
| 07:07:43 | webguest22 | i finally got mad at it and got the latest a month ago maybe |
| 07:07:46 | webguest22 | same problem |
| 07:08:03 | amiconn | Btw, I always thought it's ata timing, but I don't really like this obscure >65MHz bit. ATA timing on PP needs to be researched; that'd be a job for someone with soldering capabilities and a logic analyser |
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| 07:08:21 | safetydan | webguest22: what player? And you should always try the latest current build before reporting issues. |
| 07:08:54 | webguest22 | before it just stoped playing then if i hit play again it would play but i had to cut down the volume, with the latest build i have to cut it off and back on for it to work and cut the volume down |
| 07:09:01 | webguest22 | gigabeat player |
| 07:09:48 | Mouser_X | webguest22: How high does your volume go? Mine goes to +6, and I've never had any problems going that high. |
| 07:10:07 | Mouser_X | (I would assume that all Gigabeats go to +6) |
| 07:10:09 | mathayas | do you have replay gain enabled? |
| 07:10:17 | oblib | amiconn, what makes it obscure? Just because no one set it before? |
| 07:10:41 | Llorean | webguest22: There is no way you had a build from 2 years ago... |
| 07:10:46 | amiconn | It's obscure because it doesn't good backup from research |
| 07:10:54 | webguest22 | mine goes to about -20 |
| 07:11:05 | mathayas | mine goes to about 12 if I'm not mistaken |
| 07:11:15 | oblib | amiconn, do you know who defined it on the ipod linux page? Where do those definitions come from? |
| 07:11:28 | amiconn | oblib, PaulPosition: Here's a patch that does it in the correct places: amiconn.dyndns.org/ide-timing.diff">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/ide-timing.diff |
| 07:11:29 | webguest22 | wait sorry -7 |
| 07:11:50 | webguest22 | is about when it freezes |
| 07:11:53 | Mouser_X | webguest22: The only "audio enhancement" I use is crossfeed, so RG is turned off for me. |
| 07:12:06 | oblib | hmm, amiconn, it breaks it for me when I "fix" it |
| 07:12:41 | * | Mouser_X has a Gigabeat, just to clarify. |
| 07:12:45 | Mouser_X | F40 |
| 07:13:21 | webguest22 | yes same and all i have is Crossfeed aswell |
| 07:13:29 | amiconn | oblib: I don't know who did the research, and the ipl findings helped a lot. But there are many which are incomplete or imprecise |
| 07:13:35 | * | mathayas wonders how much runtime the sansa c200 series? |
| 07:13:40 | webguest22 | it used to not happen, for a year and a few months, |
| 07:14:28 | oblib | amiconn, in your patch, why did you set the bit outside of the #if CONFIG_CPU == PP5020? |
| 07:14:44 | webguest22 | another strange thing is it onl;y happens when headphones/speaker/car adapter is pluged in |
| 07:14:49 | amiconn | Because it applies bot to the 5020 and 5022 |
| 07:15:17 | webguest22 | only with nothing pluged in will it run high volumes without it freezing |
| 07:15:28 | amiconn | The way you had it, it would have never been set on your nano. Only cleared, at 80MHz, and then left that way forever |
| 07:15:53 | safetydan | webguest22, then that sounds like a hardware defect |
| 07:16:09 | webguest22 | damn that sucks |
| 07:16:20 | Mouser_X | webguest22: As I said, I can max-out at +6, and I've had no issues to speak of. I've never used the "base" or cradle, and I use headphones/the remote all the time. |
| 07:16:22 | webguest22 | and was what i was afraid of but thanks anyways |
| 07:17:15 | Llorean | webguest22: You didn't have Rockbox on Gigabeat for over a year... it hasn't had sound for a year yet in SVN. |
| 07:17:42 | webguest22 | i took mine apart to try to troubleshoot it, see if the headphone jack was messed up, but its built into the chip so theres nothing i can do |
| 07:17:47 | webguest22 | maybe not a year but close to it |
| 07:18:37 | Mouser_X | If I'm not mistaken, the Gigabeat didn't get sound until very late in Dec. 2006. |
| 07:18:46 | Llorean | Mouser_X: 29 Dec |
| 07:19:02 | Mouser_X | That is indeed very late... |
| 07:19:06 | Llorean | At least official Rockbox didn't. |
| 07:19:17 | Llorean | Either way, his initial "Two years" is quite impossible. But it sounds like a hardware concern anyway |
| 07:19:24 | webguest22 | then i got it almost a year ago, because i was looking forward to it for quite some time |
| 07:19:26 | Mouser_X | (I was thinking after Christmas, but I wasn't sure by how far.) |
| 07:19:29 | oblib | amiconn, looks to me I would only set it at normal, and never clear it |
| 07:19:40 | oblib | it's under #elif (CONFIG_CPU == PP5022) |
| 07:20:00 | amiconn | ah, yes |
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| 07:21:54 | oblib | which explains why it broke when I tried to fix the set/reset |
| 07:21:59 | amiconn | Btw, the Nano, the Video, and the H10 have the "CPU >50MHz" bit set at boot, but the mini G2 does not. |
| 07:22:01 | oblib | Works fine again now, using your patch |
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| 07:22:12 | amiconn | The low bits are different all over |
| 07:22:27 | oblib | amiconn, where is the > 50M bit set? |
| 07:22:27 | krazykit | amiconn, would you happen to know how iCatcher is licensed? i can't find a license for it and your nick is in the wpsbuild script |
| 07:22:34 | amiconn | Now tell me this doesn't need research... |
| 07:22:47 | oblib | amiconn, all I know is that it works for my Nano. |
| 07:22:55 | oblib | PaulPosition, have you tried amiconn's patch yet? |
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| 07:23:03 | amiconn | krazykit: I have no idea. My nick is probably in wpsbuild because I fixed/changed something |
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| 07:23:26 | PaulPosition | finishing building... 'told you my rig lacks hamster power.. |
| 07:23:33 | amiconn | Genre9mp3 made iCatcher iirc |
| 07:23:45 | ddalton_ | Im trying to build on my debian box. However my path is wrong. (I had the same prob on cygwin before) Do I just follow the profile part of this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 07:23:46 | krazykit | i suppose i'll email him then |
| 07:23:54 | ddalton_ | about editing the profile with the correct path |
| 07:23:56 | amiconn | oblib: Somewhere in the original bootloader, not in rockbox |
| 07:23:56 | ddalton_ | ? |
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| 07:24:17 | krazykit | i suppose that's his real name in the WPS itself, then. |
| 07:24:30 | amiconn | I have dumps of the ata register range from various pp targets |
| 07:24:54 | amiconn | (but not all) |
| 07:26:44 | ddalton_ | hello? |
| 07:26:53 | ddalton_ | anyone around? |
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| 07:27:31 | oblib | ddalton_, you should follow http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling for a real linux box |
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| 07:28:20 | oblib | ddalton_, your path needs to include where ever you compiled arm-elf |
| 07:28:45 | oblib | or whatever you are using to compile |
| 07:30:12 | PaulPosition | Hmmm, freeze on boot or on first try at playing a song. (amiconn's patch).. Let me try a clean unpatched rockbox though, maybe I borked my player by installing too many times since last format. (must be the 20th install today) |
| 07:30:30 | amiconn | PaulPosition: What target, btw? |
| 07:30:40 | PaulPosition | h10 5gb |
| 07:30:43 | amiconn | ah |
| 07:31:00 | ddalton_ | ok thanks. Ill take a look. I did use rockboxdev.sh so thought that would handle it for me |
| 07:31:47 | oblib | amiconn, I did get one other nano tested (2GB) by male and he said it worked for him. |
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| 07:34:05 | ddalton_ | hmmm...? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling is win related |
| 07:34:13 | PaulPosition | amiconn, oblib - Okay, no reformat and just install an unpatched current svn and no problem at all. |
| 07:34:16 | ddalton_ | "wordpad"? "cmd window"? |
| 07:34:45 | oblib | with amiconn's patch? So not quite "unpatched" :) |
| 07:36:45 | PaulPosition | oblib - Nope. without amiconn's patch. with it it was more of the same : froze on boot thrice, and on playing a song the one time it booted. |
| 07:37:06 | oblib | ddalton_, sorry, try this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
| 07:38:10 | oblib | PaulPosition, amiconn, so looks like nano only. And it should probably be tested on more nanos. |
| 07:38:36 | ddalton_ | so what should I do since I have already ran rockdev.sh? |
| 07:38:38 | amiconn | It might be a temporary fix for nano, until proper research of PP ide happens |
| 07:38:42 | oblib | Well I think I'm done for the night. Good morning amiconn, and good whatever PaulPosition thanks for the help |
| 07:38:42 | ddalton_ | rockboxdev.sh |
| 07:39:35 | PaulPosition | oblib - thanks to you for trying something :) |
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| 07:41:19 | ddalton_ | LinusN: What do I do after running rockboxdev.sh on my debian machine. GCC isn't in my path. |
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| 07:41:39 | LinusN | ddalton_: then put it in your path |
| 07:41:57 | ddalton_ | LinusN: Just edit /etc/profile ? |
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| 07:42:09 | LinusN | ddalton_: for example |
| 07:42:52 | Llorean | amiconn: Honestly, I fear that these occasional disk-corrupted Nanos might be from the bug. Do you think this patch is relatively safe to commit? |
| 07:42:59 | ddalton_ | LinusN: like the cygwin one? |
| 07:43:03 | Llorean | Playback glitches are one thing, but if this bug is causing people to lose all their data, that's kinda bad. |
| 07:43:07 | LinusN | ddalton_: yes |
| 07:43:19 | ddalton_ | LinusN: Same file and path? |
| 07:43:24 | amiconn | Llorean: It obviously needs to be limited for nano |
| 07:43:25 | ddalton_ | and code or whatever |
| 07:43:26 | mathayas | what does this patch do? |
| 07:43:39 | PaulPosition | Regarding http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8170 .. It's pretty trivial (I would have set priority low if I could) but in these days of big changes in WPS world, screendumps could be useful.. |
| 07:43:46 | Llorean | amiconn: Of course. |
| 07:43:54 | LinusN | ddalton_: yes, /etc/profile is the one, if you want all users on your machine to have the gcc path |
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| 07:44:22 | ddalton_ | LinusN: Thanks. I shall do that |
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| 07:46:24 | PaulPosition | 'nyway, hope y'all have a great day/night.. my pillow's calling. |
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| 08:16:50 | * | amiconn wonders about austriancoder's last commit |
| 08:17:54 | amiconn | We clearly state that actual code should never go into .h files. Only macros and inline stuff |
| 08:18:51 | * | scorche points amiconn to http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-11/0034.shtml |
| 08:19:43 | AstralFires | hello everyone |
| 08:20:05 | TheCollector | howdy |
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| 08:21:25 | AstralFires | i need some help.. |
| 08:22:29 | AstralFires | i have successfully installed rockbox on my 3gen ipod 30 gb.. & it works fine but has developed a major problem now |
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| 08:23:17 | AstralFires | when connected to the pc through usb.. win xp does not detect it anymore.. earlier i never had such a problem.. ive even tried it on another pc.. |
| 08:23:39 | AstralFires | ipod is on & fully charged.. |
| 08:23:47 | advcomp2019 | are you booting into the OF |
| 08:26:26 | AstralFires | whats OF ? |
| 08:26:39 | TheCollector | origional firmware |
| 08:27:44 | GodEater | is the 3rd Gen the one which does both firewire and usb ? |
| 08:28:34 | * | amiconn still needs a tester with an iPod 4th Gen grayscale *or* an iPod Mini 1st Gen ... :| |
| 08:29:06 | AstralFires | its auto booting into rockbox now.. |
| 08:29:11 | GodEater | try a post in the forums too amiconn ? |
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| 08:31:09 | amiconn | GodEater: Hmmmmmmmm. I'm not a friend of the forums, and the tests require a bit of knowledge as they are |
| 08:31:56 | GodEater | what are you testing ? |
| 08:32:13 | amiconn | PP 'mono' lcd bridge configuration and timing |
| 08:32:26 | GodEater | ah - as you mentioned yesterday |
| 08:32:46 | scorche | amiconn: i have a friend with one if you cant find someone else after a bit |
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| 08:34:20 | amiconn | There are 4 groups of targets with this bridge and identical hookup within that group. I need to test at least one of each group |
| 08:35:22 | amiconn | (1) iPod 1st..3rd gen (done myself, on 2nd gen). (2) Mini 2nd gen (done myself). (3) Sansa c200 (done by pixelma). (4) iPod 4th gen + Mini 1st gen (not done) |
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| 08:37:21 | amiconn | (1) ~2x speedup, (2) 30..40% speedup. (3) ~3.5x speedup (!!) |
| 08:37:53 | nanok | amiconn: should that also apply to e200 series? |
| 08:37:57 | amiconn | For (4) I need to know whether we're not driving the bridge too fast |
| 08:38:02 | amiconn | nanok: Not at all |
| 08:38:12 | scorche | nanok: greyscale |
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| 08:38:26 | Llorean | While the c200 is color, it for some reason uses the grayscale bridge. |
| 08:38:39 | Llorean | Or 'mono' rather |
| 08:38:40 | AstralFires | amiconn can u see any possible solution to my predicament |
| 08:39:25 | amiconn | Afaik you need to boot into the OF for USB on 3rd gen |
| 08:40:17 | amiconn | On 3rd gen, rockbox won't detect USB, hence not reboot. And rockbox can't do usb itself on portalplayer targets yet |
| 08:40:23 | amiconn | Firewire is auto-detected |
| 08:41:04 | amiconn | Llorean: In fact I don't like these names, as the bridge itself is neither mono nor colour. That's why I just called them LCD1_* and LCD2_* in pp5020.h |
| 08:42:05 | amiconn | But calling them 'simple bridge' or 'newer bridge' would also be cumbersome, and bridge 1/2 too ... |
| 08:42:10 | nanok | oh, i see. i thought it was possible to do the same on the e's also. now i am really thinking i should have gotten a c instead, colour is utterly useless most of the time.. |
| 08:42:31 | amiconn | The e200's lcd update is really fast already |
| 08:42:42 | AstralFires | ? |
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| 08:43:27 | amiconn | In fact it's the fastest colour target, lcd wise (as far as the list shows - e.g. gigabeat is missing completely there) |
| 08:43:46 | TheCollector | anyone around use a sansa e200 with a microsd card? |
| 08:44:16 | nanok | amiconn: it was just a matter of useless versus minimal. i usually like minimal better ;), the e200 is fine indeed |
| 08:44:37 | nanok | amiconn: i am still sad now sigmatel's have been ported yet, because of that |
| 08:44:40 | AstralFires | amiconn: is there anyway to switch back to the original firmware or disable rockbox from the ipod ? as i cannot connect my ipod through usb anymore |
| 08:45:09 | webguest47 | I use a sansa e250, but not with a microsd |
| 08:45:12 | amiconn | Hold Menu while booting, or enable hold directly after power-on. It's all in the manual |
| 08:45:23 | amiconn | You can also boot into diskmode manually |
| 08:45:30 | webguest47 | I've got a situation where my Rockbox has locked up.. is there any way to reboot it? |
| 08:45:39 | webguest47 | Short of letting the battery die? |
| 08:45:40 | krazykit | TheCollector, if you have a question, just ask it, don't ask if anyone is around |
| 08:45:41 | amiconn | That should even be mentioned in the apple manual (on the 2nd gen it is) |
| 08:45:47 | GodEater | webguest47: hold power for ~15 seconds |
| 08:46:21 | webguest47 | Thanks a ton :-) |
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| 08:51:06 | pondlife | amiconn: Did you see the update on Flyspray regarding the Nano ATA issue? |
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| 08:52:05 | GodEater | there appears to be a post in the forums about it too |
| 08:52:54 | * | GodEater wonders what the mystery bit *really* does |
| 08:52:56 | amiconn | pondlife: Check this morning's logs... |
| 08:53:05 | scorche | amiconn: i have the friend with the 1st gen mini's attention...what do you need him to do? |
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| 08:53:51 | amiconn | scorche: First I want to know the current value of LCD1_CONTROL. Output that on the ports debug screen |
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| 08:54:51 | amiconn | If that is done, and it's 0x4687 or 0x4685, the next tests would involve changing that, and then test fps and look for display corruption / pixel garbage, especially at 80MHz |
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| 08:55:18 | bEnN | hey guys |
| 08:55:36 | amiconn | The values to test would be 0x4487, 0x4287 and 0x4087 (ordered by increasing speed) |
| 08:56:12 | bEnN | would ne1 be able to link me to a tutorial on creating themes? |
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| 08:57:39 | Astral_Fires | amiconn: thx a lot, u have been of great help to me :) |
| 08:59:48 | Astral_Fires | should i also delete internal_rom_000000-0FFFFF.bin from the ipod for a clean uninstall ? |
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| 09:01:34 | GodEater | Astral_Fires: it's certainly not needed - so yes you can delete it |
| 09:02:15 | bEnN | can some1 help me create a basic theme with a new bg and icons? |
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| 09:02:44 | GodEater | bEnN: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking |
| 09:02:53 | GodEater | bEnN: and please stick to proper english here "some1" is not a word |
| 09:03:11 | bEnN | thx and ill remember that next time, soz |
| 09:03:25 | GodEater | you just did it again :( |
| 09:03:34 | bEnN | oh ok sorry |
| 09:03:39 | bEnN | IM LERNING! |
| 09:03:51 | GodEater | to type english ? |
| 09:04:14 | bEnN | yea, im happily fluent in msn though |
| 09:04:21 | psycho_maniac | we dont use msn here |
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| 09:04:55 | bEnN | yea |
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| 09:06:58 | GodEater | Am I right in thinking that if album art is present for any given file, it will always be loaded into the buffer, regardless of the WPS ? |
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| 09:13:55 | psycho_maniac | GodEater: are you busy? i was wondering if you could test something for me on the ipod video. a theme? |
| 09:15:41 | GodEater | sure |
| 09:16:36 | psycho_maniac | you need album art? is that a problem? |
| 09:16:57 | psycho_maniac | http://stashbox.org/51216/Cobalt.zip |
| 09:17:27 | bEnN | if im exporting a backdrop as a bmp, does it matter if its a 24 bit, 256 or that? |
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| 09:17:58 | psycho_maniac | bEnN: it has to be as high as 32 i think. |
| 09:18:05 | GodEater | ah - I don't have any album art |
| 09:18:15 | bEnN | ok 32 bit pr colors? |
| 09:18:20 | bEnN | or |
| 09:18:35 | GodEater | 32 bit, not 32 colour |
| 09:18:46 | bEnN | ok ty |
| 09:18:54 | bEnN | thank you i mean |
| 09:20:09 | psycho_maniac | ok GodEater i am reuploading the wps but this time it has a very basic album art cover. will that work? |
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| 09:21:25 | psycho_maniac | http://stashbox.org/51241/Cobalt.zip |
| 09:21:34 | bEnN | the background and foreground color, what do they afect? |
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| 09:22:39 | psycho_maniac | change them on your player and find out? |
| 09:22:40 | GodEater | psycho_maniac: I'll try it now |
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| 09:23:12 | bEnN | ill mess around with the later |
| 09:23:35 | psycho_maniac | GodEater: are you running any patches? |
| 09:23:37 | scorche | amiconn: sorry for the delay...needs updating... |
| 09:23:54 | bEnN | how can I check what the fonts look like without my ipod |
| 09:24:50 | GodEater | psycho_maniac: only the keyclick patch currently |
| 09:25:08 | psycho_maniac | alright that is ok. |
| 09:25:26 | GodEater | looks nice |
| 09:25:31 | GodEater | but obviously I have no AA |
| 09:25:42 | psycho_maniac | can you change that cover.bmp to 100x100? i forgot to do that part |
| 09:25:58 | GodEater | bEnN: rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/">http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/ |
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| 09:26:30 | GodEater | psycho_maniac: there isn't a cover.bmp |
| 09:26:43 | psycho_maniac | hmm. |
| 09:26:44 | bEnN | thanks |
| 09:27:25 | tierra | scorche: guess I can move the conversation here |
| 09:27:32 | psycho_maniac | GodEater: this is not my wps this is somebodys on the wiki now. i just changed it to work for the current svn |
| 09:27:59 | scorche | tierra: did you see what amiconn said before? |
| 09:28:06 | tierra | no |
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| 09:29:15 | webguest44 | The audio from my sansa e250 sounds really funny - a lot of instrumentation is missing in the songs. Is there a way I can set all my sound settings back to their default? |
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| 09:30:07 | psycho_maniac | anybody ever have a patch compile correctly but it will not work correctly on the ipod? |
| 09:30:25 | psycho_maniac | meaning no hunk errors or anything but it will crash the player? |
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| 09:30:53 | tierra | amiconn: sorry, metacity keeps freezing up for some reason, I'll have it in a minute though |
| 09:35:39 | tierra | amiconn: where can I find LCD1_CONTROL? |
| 09:35:46 | markun | amiconn: did you see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13788.0 |
| 09:35:55 | scorche | tierra: settings, debug, view I/O ports |
| 09:35:55 | bEnN | if i copy some1 elses wps and put in my own bmp it should work right |
| 09:36:13 | tierra | thought so, but it's not listed |
| 09:36:46 | tierra | I see plenty of GPIO*, GPO32, and DEV_EN# |
| 09:36:48 | tierra | nothing else |
| 09:37:10 | markun | bEnN: why don't you stop the "some1"? |
| 09:37:18 | * | scorche wonders if amiconn meant to add it to the screen literally |
| 09:37:27 | bEnN | sorry, habit |
| 09:38:41 | psycho_maniac | bEnN: that would work. |
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| 09:39:02 | bEnN | oops |
| 09:39:06 | tierra | rockbox version reported is: r15632-071115 btw |
| 09:39:08 | bEnN | thankms |
| 09:40:01 | tierra | scorche: I should update more often, looks like quite a bit has changed... heh |
| 09:40:11 | * | scorche nods |
| 09:40:42 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
| 09:40:42 | bEnN | dont know if this is the place to report it, but i mught have found a problem with the new nano release |
| 09:41:00 | LinusN | bEnN: shoot |
| 09:41:46 | bEnN | i was running loader2, with ipod linux and rockabox and when I ran rockbox the load bar would fill then nothing would happen |
| 09:42:03 | bEnN | it worked when I ran r14152 |
| 09:42:25 | scorche | bEnN: does it work with the latest rockbox bootloader? |
| 09:42:32 | bEnN | im testing that now |
| 09:42:42 | bEnN | it might have just been my setup but im not sure' |
| 09:42:51 | bEnN | I had rockbox.ipod on my root and in the older |
| 09:43:02 | bEnN | my loader.cfg pointed to the root one though |
| 09:43:31 | scorche | tierra: well, i need to go to bed...if you are going to stay up, amiconn should be around...if you need to change the source, i can make you some builds tomorrow |
| 09:43:40 | tierra | scorche: wow, the entire DB stuff is all new, and something I'd expect, and yeah, very awesome |
| 09:43:44 | scorche | amiconn: tierra has a mini 1st gen for testing |
| 09:44:00 | tierra | alright, night |
| 09:44:01 | scorche | your previous build didnt even ahve the database? o_O |
| 09:44:10 | tierra | yeah, must have been pretty old |
| 09:44:39 | scorche | it was likely there...you just didnt know about it |
| 09:44:50 | bEnN | oh has scorche left? |
| 09:45:16 | scorche | i *think* tagcache was in before the ipods |
| 09:45:41 | bEnN | o scorche, im about to test it with the rockbox bootloader |
| 09:46:01 | scorche | bEnN: someone else can help you...i am moving to bed :) |
| 09:46:07 | bEnN | oh ok |
| 09:46:10 | bEnN | cya |
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| 09:48:59 | bEnN | how do I update rockbox, I copied the files but it still has the old ver |
| 09:49:55 | psycho_maniac | extract ALL of the rockbox.zip to the root of your player |
| 09:50:27 | scorche | delete the rockbox file you have in the root of the device |
| 09:50:32 | scorche | ...but i am not here.. |
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| 09:51:33 | bEnN | ok... |
| 09:52:14 | psycho_maniac | GodEater: that wps did work? did you play a song longer then 10 seconds? |
| 09:53:41 | pixelma | psycho_maniac: because I saw this wrong information from you here in the logs and in the forums and by the way - you gave 2 different answers. The backdrop doesn't need to be in a specific bit depth... Rockbox is able to scale it down to what the display can handle (dithered if necessary)... |
| 09:54:38 | psycho_maniac | ok. thanks pixelma. i got the wrong info. |
| 09:54:39 | pixelma | I know there are places in the wiki that still suggest this |
| 09:55:41 | bEnN | is there an auto installer for rockbox nano? |
| 09:56:13 | psycho_maniac | i think i was refering to the album art .bmp |
| 09:56:26 | pixelma | bEnN: there is an installer which is explained in the manual |
| 09:57:12 | bEnN | ok, just so people know, the new nano release doesnt work with loader 2 i dont think' |
| 09:57:23 | bEnN | its opk with rockbox boot loader though |
| 09:58:11 | pixelma | psycho_maniac: the same applies there. Just out of interest (and curiousity how it looks) I experimented with album art on my (greyscale) M5 - it works with the prepared colour (usually 24-bit) cover.bmps |
| 09:58:22 | psycho_maniac | ok now i keep getting a data abort when i load a theme with album art. |
| 09:58:29 | bEnN | cyas |
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| 09:58:48 | GodEater | psycho_maniac: yes - it worked fine, other than me having no AA as I said |
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| 10:00:20 | psycho_maniac | if you have an album art theme with cover.bmp over the specified demsions of the wps it will crash. EVEN with bmp-resize |
| 10:00:22 | psycho_maniac | patch |
| 10:00:59 | psycho_maniac | AND i just realized how much i love 7738. i just ran the current build and it scrolls so slow lol |
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| 10:07:13 | psycho_maniac | May I have Wiki write permissions? |
| 10:07:45 | LinusN | of course |
| 10:07:50 | LinusN | what's your wikiname? |
| 10:07:55 | psycho_maniac | JerryLange |
| 10:08:07 | LinusN | speaking of wiki, i really like this MarcGuay guy |
| 10:08:24 | psycho_maniac | haha yes did you read his wiki profile? |
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| 10:09:03 | LinusN | JerryLange now has edit powers |
| 10:09:25 | psycho_maniac | Thank you. |
| 10:10:47 | pixelma | speaking of the wiki... someone knows why saratoga deleted the "USB otg" part on the NoDo? |
| 10:11:18 | GodEater | he decided he's going to implement it ? ;) |
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| 10:11:49 | pixelma | GodEater: on all targets? ;) |
| 10:12:00 | GodEater | that would be challenging certainly! |
| 10:12:19 | psycho_maniac | is there a way to change a file on the wiki? |
| 10:12:22 | GodEater | maybe he's making a little solder kit available for targets without the right hardware ? |
| 10:13:17 | GodEater | psycho_maniac: no - the accepted way to do that is to "hide" the original file, and upload another one |
| 10:13:39 | pixelma | that would need a new page UsbOtgMod or something ;) |
| 10:14:55 | LinusN | nobody asks about otg on the archos targets anyway, so we can safely delete it :-) |
| 10:15:14 | LinusN | it was worse a few years ago |
| 10:15:29 | GodEater | LinusN: you're right, that MarcGuay chap has done a lot of hard work on the wiki it seems :) |
| 10:15:41 | LinusN | i'm impressed and thankful |
| 10:15:43 | GodEater | indeed |
| 10:15:51 | GodEater | can we award him a gold star ? |
| 10:15:57 | LinusN | we should :-) |
| 10:16:17 | TheCollector | the "unbrick" page for the sansa e200 needs some updating - if I make an account, will I be given write privledges? |
| 10:16:48 | psycho_maniac | so i would name it something different? |
| 10:16:59 | amiconn | markun: (1) I don't read the forums anymore, so I won't know any thread unless someone points me to it. But (2) read this morning's logs |
| 10:17:15 | GodEater | psycho_maniac: yes, that's the idea |
| 10:17:44 | markun | amiconn: (1) that's why I point you to posts from time to time (2) ok |
| 10:17:45 | GodEater | TheCollector: yes, you'll get write privileges if you make an account |
| 10:17:53 | TheCollector | great |
| 10:18:02 | GodEater | TheCollector: the only reason we make people ask is to stop spambots signing up and ruining the wiki |
| 10:18:09 | TheCollector | ah |
| 10:18:15 | GodEater | so unless you're spambot - you'll get permission |
| 10:18:19 | GodEater | you're not a spambot are you ? |
| 10:18:27 | * | GodEater peers suspiciously at TheCollector |
| 10:20:11 | hcs | quick, the Voight-Kampff test! |
| 10:20:18 | TheCollector | well, I guess that all depends |
| 10:20:36 | TheCollector | if spambots can install rockbox, then maybe |
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| 10:21:18 | TheCollector | ok, I just got my account confirmed |
| 10:22:51 | LinusN | TheCollector: done |
| 10:23:57 | TheCollector | thanks |
| 10:27:35 | psycho_maniac | GodEater: can you test another theme? |
| 10:27:57 | GodEater | psycho_maniac: not right now - bit tied up sorry |
| 10:29:29 | psycho_maniac | anybody else want to test a theme on the ipod video? |
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| 10:32:13 | LinusN | psycho_maniac: what's special about it? |
| 10:33:14 | psycho_maniac | i fixed the album art but for some reason the text does not update and i want to know if its just my player. |
| 10:34:06 | amiconn | tierra ? |
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| 10:38:18 | hcs | ok, I presume that it isn't my fault that the recent build is broked, despite is being triggered by my commit |
| 10:38:56 | hcs | considering that I only touched rockblox.c |
| 10:39:56 | amiconn | hcs: ? |
| 10:40:42 | hcs | amiconn: I just did my first commit in a while and I'm noticing the broken M-Robe build |
| 10:40:58 | hcs | just a bad build server? |
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| 10:44:24 | amiconn | Do you read the dev ml? Build server owners need to update arm-elf-gcc with the multilibs patch |
| 10:44:36 | amiconn | Unfortunately many of them did not do so yet |
| 10:45:45 | hcs | yeah, I had read that, but didn't recall all the details |
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| 10:55:06 | inteliwasp | i have a 4g ipod that is giving me errors when i try to boot it, it keeps giving me the sad ipod icon or some folder icon |
| 10:59:01 | homielowe | intelliwasp: Is this related with a rockbox install ? |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:34 | inteliwasp | yes, it is a daily build from about a month ago |
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| 11:01:12 | inteliwasp | the last time i tried it, it got to rb but it said that the it could not boot |
| 11:01:25 | homielowe | Sad icon could mean a bad HD possibly, if its the folder icon , you might be able to recover it with disk mode. |
| 11:01:46 | inteliwasp | crap... |
| 11:01:57 | psycho_maniac | yay blackglass and cobalt themes for the ipod video now work without patches. !! |
| 11:02:01 | inteliwasp | and i just got a new battery |
| 11:02:32 | inteliwasp | i wonder if one of the wires got loose... |
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| 11:09:39 | mrkiko | Hi all! I' seeing big rockbox changes! |
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| 11:13:33 | mrkiko | bitwise.c:177: internal compiler error: in cgraph_expand_function, at cgraphunit |
| 11:14:31 | mrkiko | gcc says to submit a full bug-report... but :) I' m not alive again |
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| 11:25:38 | psycho_maniac | what does "quietsave" mean? |
| 11:27:55 | GodEater | I'm trying to rework FS7738 to remove the settings entries for it. Where is the best place to store the values for wheel_accel_start and wheel_accel once they're no longer required in the menu system ? |
| 11:28:55 | GodEater | silly me - ignore that question |
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| 11:38:27 | GodEater | FS7738 has now had it's settings menu stuff removed. Is it good enough for a commit now ? |
| 11:38:36 | GodEater | please test it and let me know |
| 11:40:18 | * | GodEater crosses his fingers and hopes |
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| 11:44:53 | amiconn | It's still button_clickwheel only.# |
| 11:45:04 | GodEater | correct |
| 11:45:53 | amiconn | And I wonder why the 200 does quadratic acceleration, while the ipods use power of 4 |
| 11:46:05 | Onj | Hello. Could I ask a question about the latest SVN? I seem to have a problem building a voice for my target at the moment. |
| 11:46:11 | GodEater | no clue - you'd have to ask jhMikes / buschell |
| 11:46:25 | GodEater | Onj: what problem would that be ? |
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| 11:47:52 | Onj | WEll two days ago I built voices for Iriver H120 which worked fine, but Ipod Video 30 and 80 did not. Then, it was suggested to me that I delete the entire rockbox directory and get SVN to redownload the entire thing, which allowed me to build for Ipod30 and 80, but now my own target doesn't work. How silly. However, I can use one of the voices I built two days ago and not yesterday, with today's build, and that works. My system menu is extremely sc |
| 11:47:52 | Onj | like, copy, cut, move, a/b repeat, and so on. |
| 11:49:32 | linuxstb | GodEater: I've only had a quick look, but maybe remove "DEFAULT_" from the names of the #defines, as they can't be changed any more. Also, I don't think they need to be passed as parameters to the button_apply_acceleration() function any more - that code can just use the #defines. It follows from this that the "factor" variable in that function can also become a #define |
| 11:50:07 | GodEater | linuxstb: hmm - ok |
| 11:52:22 | GodEater | linuxstb: do you mean move whatever #define I turn factor into out into the same files where the ACCEL_START #defines are currently ? |
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| 11:53:02 | Onj | Also, when I did build the broken voices for Ipod targets, the system menu was missing completely. I've never seen anything like it. |
| 11:55:44 | linuxstb | GodEater: IIUC, factor is based on DEFAULT_WHEEL_ACCEL_START, so you can #define WHEEL_ACCEL_FACTOR in button.c, based on the WHEEL_ACCEL_START which is set in the individual target config files. |
| 11:56:39 | GodEater | ok |
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| 12:12:03 | GodEater | linuxstb: ok - all changed |
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| 12:18:18 | * | GodEater pokes other ipod owners to get them to try it |
| 12:19:50 | Onj | I wonder if the menu disappeared just for the voice, or on-screen as well? |
| 12:22:28 | GodEater | Onj, have you tried a daily build and it's matching voice file from the rockbox site ? |
| 12:23:10 | Onj | Sure. but I never liked festival anyway, and I used to build them under windows. so I got Cygwin and I can build them just fine, no compile errors, none of that, but for some reason, something is wrong. |
| 12:23:30 | GodEater | so the one from our site works ok ? |
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| 12:23:33 | GodEater | and doesn't miss menus out ? |
| 12:24:30 | Onj | I haven't tried this morning, but yesterday everything seemed fine. It's now my H120 that doesn't work, but my friend's Ipod does, with the same parameters when I build a voice. Very strange. |
| 12:24:57 | Onj | Maybe i will have to delete the rockbox dir yet again and run the SVN co thing. |
| 12:24:58 | GodEater | well if you try with today's, then we can rule out whether it's your build environment, or something we've broken |
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| 12:28:31 | pixelma | Onj: It's now my H120 that doesn't work, but my friend's Ipod does, with the same parameters when I build a voice. <- What do you mean with the "same parameters"? How do you build them (in different build directories etc.)? |
| 12:28:57 | Onj | No same build directories, my own personal lame choices though. |
| 12:30:18 | Onj | ok the festival voice from the site works. I literally just got through building my own voice, so now I test that. |
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| 12:31:20 | pixelma | still unsure if I understand you correctly... you are aware that voice files are target specific? (just making sure) |
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| 12:32:19 | Onj | Wow. That really does not work. The first item in the system menu is blank. then move. show indacies. Interesting choices, but definitely incorrect. I always run svn update before I build, is there something else I should do as well? I feel quite stupid for this. |
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| 12:33:12 | Onj | Yeah. I know all that. I run the ../tools/configure, choose my target, etc etc. Build the voice, run it, and it fails. I was the unofficial rockbox voice builder for windows until August fifth this year, when it switched to target-specific voices. |
| 12:35:08 | linuxstb | Are you sure you're updating the build on your player correctly? Maybe that part isn't working, so you're using a new voice file with an old build. |
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| 12:35:34 | Onj | Absolutely. I just downloaded it. The build does say today's date in the system info, so I know that's correct also. |
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| 12:38:48 | pixelma | so are you building the voice files in the same directory and just "switch" by rerunning configure again? |
| 12:39:27 | Onj | yeah, i cut and paste them to another folder after build. I've had this working before. I built for h10 20 gb and those voices work, the Ipod voices work with this current svn, but H120 no go. |
| 12:39:47 | Onj | Two days ago it was reversed. |
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| 12:43:26 | pixelma | and do you also run "make clean" before configuring again? I once had a problem when I chose another voice in the tts options and a make clean soled it... if it's not that than I'm out of ideas unfortunately |
| 12:43:40 | pixelma | *solved |
| 12:46:17 | Onj | Oh, no. I didn't know to do that. I will try that. Thanks very much. Building again now. |
| 12:46:36 | linuxstb | Onj: I don't know about voice, but when building Rockbox itself, it should be done in separate build directories for different targets. IIUC, you can have a common "pool" folder somewhere that caches voice clips. |
| 12:47:19 | Onj | Aah. Well. er, right then. I wasn't aware of this |
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| 12:47:58 | pixelma | that could probably make it easier :) |
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| 12:50:20 | Onj | What do you know! It worked. So different build folders for different targets. I'm ea windows user, thus stupid when it comes to Linux. I figured that the configure would clean up before and after itself, but I guess not. |
| 12:50:31 | * | Onj looks stupid |
| 12:51:22 | GodEater | not really |
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| 12:55:45 | Casainho | hello people! :-) |
| 12:56:28 | linuxstb | Onj: All configure does is create the "Makefile" and "autoconf.h" files in the build directory - nothing else. |
| 12:56:58 | Casainho | barrywardell: hello! |
| 12:57:05 | barrywardell | hi |
| 12:57:19 | Casainho | barrywardell: can you please tell me how is sansa USB developing? |
| 12:57:37 | barrywardell | all I know is what Zagor has posted to the tracker |
| 12:57:43 | Onj | I don't have to run a configure every time though now. I can make one directory for each target, configure it once and just run make voice when I need it. That saves a lot of time. Thanks. |
| 12:58:46 | Zagor | Casainho: the last two weeks nothing much has happened. I've been stuck on a hw/driver problem I don't know how to solve. some new ideas came up yesterday that I'll try as soon as I find the time. |
| 12:59:20 | Casainho | Zagor: sorry, I can't help - I am asking because I am just curious... |
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| 13:00:07 | Casainho | Zagor: USB on Sansa is OTG? - what will It be able to do? - justo to connect to computer? |
| 13:00:26 | Zagor | my code is device mode only, i.e. connect to computer |
| 13:00:46 | Zagor | otg can potentially connect two sansas together and swap files |
| 13:01:00 | Zagor | but that is quite a bit more complex than what I'm doing |
| 13:01:34 | Zagor | otg is conceptually host and device capability on the same port, with auto-negotiating |
| 13:01:55 | Casainho | hmmm.. |
| 13:02:03 | Casainho | OTG does depends on hardware? |
| 13:02:06 | Zagor | yes |
| 13:02:28 | Casainho | so, Sansa have USB OTG(?) :-) :-) |
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| 13:03:01 | Zagor | yes it does |
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| 13:03:19 | Casainho | okok - good luck with USB :-) ;-) |
| 13:03:56 | Casainho | Zagor, where can I find in TWiki info about PortalPlayer? - I wouldl ike to know waht DAC It have... |
| 13:03:58 | webguest62 | i want to start making a new flavor of rockbox |
| 13:04:08 | webguest62 | were do i start |
| 13:04:19 | Zagor | webguest62: you mean a new port? |
| 13:04:43 | Casainho | from drivers in source, there are a few drivers for DAC but I don't know what is for Sansa... - Is that information on TWiki? |
| 13:04:43 | webguest62 | based of the original |
| 13:04:58 | barrywardell | Zagor: is it at the stage where could add a charging mode for the sansa (ie. request 500mA, no extra endpoints)? |
| 13:05:11 | Zagor | barrywardell: yes we could |
| 13:05:28 | Foofty | webguest: you want to modify rockbox or port it to new hardware? |
| 13:05:40 | webguest62 | no |
| 13:05:55 | Zagor | webguest62: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
| 13:06:21 | webguest62 | just make a version that works a little better for a Ipod Nano 1st gen |
| 13:07:04 | barrywardell | Zagor: nice. can your code easily deal with selecting between msc and charging mode? |
| 13:07:39 | webguest62 | thanks |
| 13:08:02 | Zagor | barrywardell: sure, we could add a switch to inhibit sending endpoint descriptors |
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| 13:08:55 | markun | Is there any use for a 9+18x18 unicode font? |
| 13:10:42 | linuxstb | webguest62: What kind of changes do you have in mind? |
| 13:11:40 | ryanakca | Why is it that every song gets included into the Database 4 times? Any way to correct this? iPod Nano with Tuesday's daily build. |
| 13:12:13 | ryanakca | I've tried removing the database files and recreating the database. I've also tried looking for any duplicates of the songs on the device, none |
| 13:13:36 | linuxstb | ryanakca: It could be a side-effect of the problems some Nanos are experiencing. Do you have any other problems (e.g. freezing during playback)? Also, have you checked the filesystem for errors (I can't remember if I asked that last time you were here...) |
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| 13:13:50 | ryanakca | like, say I have ABC and DFG on the iPod, the list goes 'ABC, ABC, ABC, ABC, DFG, DFG, DFG, DFG'. When I removed all music from my iPod with amaroK and transfered one song to it. And, before, when I had a pile of songs on there, each and every song was listed 4 times in the database browser/list. |
| 13:14:38 | ryanakca | linuxstb: no... fsck.vfat ? |
| 13:15:06 | linuxstb | I guess so. Or you could simply try a reformat, just to be sure. |
| 13:15:07 | ryanakca | (btw, dunno if this changes anything, but it's a first generation Nano) |
| 13:15:25 | linuxstb | We assumed so - that's the only Nano Rockbox works on. |
| 13:15:29 | ryanakca | linuxstb: ok... and then run upstairs to a windows comp and do a restore of the firmware? |
| 13:15:32 | ryanakca | ah :) |
| 13:15:49 | linuxstb | No, no need to restore the firmware. Just format /dev/sdX2 (the firmware is on /dev/sdX1) |
| 13:16:03 | webguest62 | linuxstb: i just want to make a interface that my mom can understand |
| 13:16:22 | ryanakca | ah |
| 13:16:28 | linuxstb | webguest62: How would you change it? Remove options? |
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| 13:16:46 | * | ryanakca will try fsck.vfat, and if that doesn't work, I'll reformat it tonight when I get back from school |
| 13:17:37 | linuxstb | I'm assuming you're not trusting Amarok when it tells you it's deleted all files? i.e. you're looking inside the iPod_Control directory on your Nano, and making sure no files are still there? |
| 13:17:54 | webguest62 | first of all i'd like to change the main menu list into a list of icons |
| 13:18:25 | webguest62 | nice pretty pictures |
| 13:19:19 | GodEater | that's a pretty big change =/ |
| 13:19:59 | ryanakca | linuxstb: yes... I ran... *checks* 'md5sum -b `du -a /media/IPOD/ | grep -i kpod | sed -e 's@.*/media@/media@g' | sort` >> music-md5sums' and looked threw the list for matching sums, and I also ran 'fdupes -r /media/IPOD'. |
| 13:20:17 | ryanakca | and as for that, yes |
| 13:20:21 | Zagor | webguest62: you do know you can add icons to the top menu? |
| 13:20:38 | ryanakca | when there aren't any files, there aren't any, and when there are some, there aren't any duplicates. |
| 13:21:23 | webguest62 | yes but i want a easyer to see interface |
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| 13:23:11 | Zagor | webguest62: easier than a list of icons? |
| 13:23:30 | ryanakca | just make the font bigger |
| 13:23:45 | linuxstb | webguest62: Out of curiousity, has your mom tried Rockbox? |
| 13:23:52 | webguest62 | its not the look i want |
| 13:23:59 | ryanakca | but she might not mind it? |
| 13:24:18 | * | ryanakca quite likes it actually :D |
| 13:24:20 | webguest62 | she doesn't like it |
| 13:24:21 | Zagor | webguest62: you probably want to write down your ideas first, and make mockup screens. it will help you work faster than starting pulling at the code. |
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| 13:24:52 | ryanakca | linuxstb: anyways, thanks, I'll format it tonight and start from scratch. Thanks ;) |
| 13:26:09 | webguest62 | i found the new build to be a little unfinished |
| 13:26:18 | webguest62 | it looks good but |
| 13:26:24 | linuxstb | ryanakca: Is there a reason you use Amarok? You know you can just copy the files to your Nano's drive (with cp) and Rockbox will play them? |
| 13:26:45 | webguest62 | some of the fuctionality is a bit glitchy |
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| 13:27:25 | Zagor | webguest62: we most certainly welcome additional help |
| 13:27:41 | Zagor | don't assume nobody else wants your modifications |
| 13:27:42 | linuxstb | Anything in particular? If you can't fix them, bug reports are also very welcome. |
| 13:28:03 | webguest62 | kk |
| 13:28:07 | webguest62 | thanks |
| 13:29:06 | webguest62 | i'm just wondering if theres a fix for the USB connativity |
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| 13:30:06 | LinusN | webguest62: no, because it requires a lot more than a "fix" |
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| 13:30:35 | webguest62 | so the problem is known? |
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| 13:31:35 | LinusN | webguest62: ehum, wait a sec |
| 13:31:59 | LinusN | what exactly is the problem? |
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| 13:41:19 | webguest62 | when i link up my ipod nano to my computer it starts up and freazes |
| 13:41:34 | preglow | doesn't happen with mine |
| 13:42:07 | webguest62 | only if i have it turned off when i link it up |
| 13:42:16 | preglow | not then either |
| 13:42:32 | webguest62 | the old firmware didn't do it |
| 13:42:58 | webguest62 | its only the past two updates |
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| 13:43:13 | linuxstb | I don't get it on my ipod either - but I know others have reported it (both pixelma and amiconn I think). IIRC, they've said it happens with some builds, but not others, seemingly at random. |
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| 13:43:23 | preglow | gragh |
| 13:43:25 | preglow | we need proper usb :/ |
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| 13:44:00 | webguest62 | USE 2.0?? |
| 13:44:16 | linuxstb | 2.0 what? |
| 13:44:21 | webguest62 | sometime i've only got 1.1 |
| 13:44:24 | preglow | webguest62: no, our own usb driver |
| 13:44:34 | webguest62 | oh |
| 13:44:37 | webguest62 | oz |
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| 13:44:43 | webguest62 | soz |
| 13:46:22 | linuxstb | webguest62: Which Rockbox build are you currently using? Maybe preglow could test the same build on his ipod, to see if he also gets the usb freeze? |
| 13:48:44 | webguest62 | r15634 |
| 13:50:08 | jhMikeS | preglow: I'm was trying to build with the last patch applied and building the encoder fails because it can't find inttypes.h (I don't know about other files yet). SVN builds fine. |
| 13:51:51 | amiconn | linuxstb: I get this freeze rather often on all PP502x targets, but the probability depends on the actual target |
| 13:52:11 | amiconn | On mini g2 it happens *very* often, on video not that often |
| 13:52:26 | amiconn | Also not often on H10 |
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| 13:57:29 | preglow | jhMikeS: is that so |
| 13:57:58 | preglow | jhMikeS: what, don't you have inttypes.h, then? |
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| 13:58:18 | pixelma | linuxstb: it freezes when I try connecting from a running Rockbox (not when it was turned off) - often on my c200, first experienced on amiconn's Mini. With certain builds, they can even be made with the same computer |
| 13:59:00 | preglow | pixelma: freezes _in_ rockbox, you mean? |
| 13:59:13 | pixelma | then it just "hangs" in Rockbox's USB screen and doesn't reboot to the OF |
| 13:59:17 | preglow | yeah, i've had that plenty of times |
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| 14:01:02 | webguest62 | not here |
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| 14:03:31 | jhMikeS | preglow: I have it...in two places but not on some global include path apparently. It's a fresh debian image (trying to install espeak messes things up, will try others). |
| 14:04:10 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, i don't know what to do about that, you should have inttypes |
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| 14:06:16 | jhMikeS | I do, I do...in the #includes. Just a path thing I think. has anyone else tried this on debian? I invite them to. |
| 14:06:54 | jhMikeS | Not the #includes, in the "/include" directory on the image. |
| 14:07:22 | preglow | well, i developed it on ubuntu, which basically is debian in this regard |
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| 14:08:02 | LinusN | jhMikeS: which patch? |
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| 14:08:52 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Try "apt-get install libc6-dev" - that should give you /usr/include/inttypes.h |
| 14:09:28 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Or am I misunderstanding, and the file's there? |
| 14:09:31 | preglow | btw |
| 14:09:43 | preglow | i haven't looked at .talk file generation at all |
| 14:09:52 | preglow | is there anything else i should have a look at? |
| 14:10:06 | preglow | i don't use voice, remember |
| 14:10:10 | jhMikeS | I have it...if I compile the binary directly with gcc from the command line, it finds it |
| 14:10:40 | jhMikeS | where it doesn't find is when compiling libspeex |
| 14:10:51 | Onj | OK. All targets I've built with today using separate build directories work. So I'd like to say thanks to everyone who's helped me out today, it's much appreciated. |
| 14:12:40 | * | jhMikeS added an #include <inttypes.h> to the #includes in rbspeexenc.c to check and ran gcc on that |
| 14:14:30 | preglow | *shrug* |
| 14:15:14 | preglow | i wish people would stop writing shell scripts!" |
| 14:15:15 | linuxstb | speex/speex_config_types.h is including "inttypes.h" |
| 14:16:31 | LinusN | so the include path is wrong then? |
| 14:17:15 | LinusN | i believe it could be <inttypes.h> without causing any problems |
| 14:17:34 | jmspeex | linuxstb: where did you see that? You must be using a modified version of Speex. |
| 14:17:52 | preglow | hrm, how should i handle the entire swcodec/hwcodec in gentalkclips.sh? i can't detect what kind of target the user has, so i have to ask about something. should i ask whether to use rbspeexenc or lame, or should i ask if the user has a hwcodec target or not? |
| 14:17:57 | jhMikeS | I think it's just an include path problem yeah. |
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| 14:19:05 | LinusN | preglow: i think a hwcodec/swcodec question could do, or rather ask if the user has an Archos Player/Recorder/Ondio |
| 14:19:25 | LinusN | the user isn't likely to know what "hwcodec" is |
| 14:20:05 | preglow | yeah, exactly |
| 14:20:21 | preglow | player/recorder/ondio is the full range of archos stuff we support? |
| 14:20:29 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:20:43 | LinusN | but the player is sometimes called "studio" |
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| 14:21:05 | preglow | all add that too, then |
| 14:21:07 | LinusN | and the recorder comes in 3 flavours, "Recorder", "V2 Recorder" and "Fm Recorder" |
| 14:21:39 | LinusN | but i guess "studio/player/recorder/ondio" should suffice |
| 14:22:00 | preglow | yeah, me too |
| 14:22:23 | preglow | btw, what do you think would be a good way of handling this change wrt the users? |
| 14:22:31 | preglow | i guess some kind of advance notice would be helpful |
| 14:22:39 | preglow | especially in case of problems, and such |
| 14:22:58 | LinusN | perhaps, but i don't think many will notice anyway until after the fact |
| 14:23:23 | preglow | if everything goes smoothly, then no |
| 14:23:36 | preglow | but i guess i should do an ml post telling that voice file format has changed |
| 14:24:00 | LinusN | oh yes, we should of course inform them about the change |
| 14:24:10 | LinusN | i suddenly had an interesting idea |
| 14:24:40 | preglow | is it still there? :> |
| 14:26:08 | markun | we have a new unicode font! |
| 14:26:20 | preglow | royal plural? :V |
| 14:26:44 | LinusN | the old voice file could contain a clip that says "pleas upgrade the voice file" that is played when the voice file is too old |
| 14:27:14 | LinusN | and even the speex version of rockbox should be ably to play back that single clip somehow |
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| 14:27:22 | markun | LinusN: is it possible yet to correct svn commit messages? |
| 14:27:34 | LinusN | don't think so |
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| 14:27:43 | markun | well, doesn't matter so much |
| 14:27:59 | preglow | no? i'm pretty sure i've done it once |
| 14:28:02 | preglow | but perhaps that was with cvs |
| 14:28:23 | jhMikeS | cvs , yes. you need the svn hook installed for that. |
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| 14:29:33 | jpt9 | heyhey |
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| 14:29:35 | jpt9 | (sorry). |
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| 14:29:44 | jpt9 | how often is rockbox supposed to crash? |
| 14:29:58 | jpt9 | (on a refurb Sansa e250R) |
| 14:30:00 | jhMikeS | lol |
| 14:30:29 | jpt9 | i've had it freeze up completely a few times in the last day or so. |
| 14:30:39 | jpt9 | (I just got the Sansa from woot) |
| 14:30:40 | jhMikeS | often, it's a feature |
| 14:30:57 | jpt9 | unfortunately, I haven't been writing down the error messages; I'll start doing that. |
| 14:31:10 | jpt9 | jhMikeS: so there isn't anything wrong with the Sansa? |
| 14:31:31 | krazykit | he was kidding... |
| 14:31:34 | jpt9 | oh. |
| 14:31:44 | jpt9 | i knew he was kidding... |
| 14:31:46 | jhMikeS | I just got one and I suppose I'll see myself |
| 14:32:24 | jpt9 | if I use the "Complete Installation" button in Rockbox Utility, will it leave all my settings/themes/configuration/etc intact? |
| 14:32:45 | linuxstb | preglow: Why not simply make the script ask for the file format (i.e. MP3 or Speex), and add a note saying that MP3 is for Archos devices, Speex is for all others? |
| 14:32:47 | LinusN | jpt9: yes |
| 14:33:03 | jpt9 | i assume it gets the latest version? |
| 14:33:12 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:33:43 | markun | yay, my new font is even bigger than unifont (1.8MB) |
| 14:33:55 | jpt9 | is there any way to permanently disable the "refresh database" crap from the OF? |
| 14:33:59 | preglow | LinusN: because the format should be irrelevant and the info about archos should be there anyway |
| 14:34:00 | jpt9 | it's *really* annoying. |
| 14:34:08 | preglow | linuxstb: that was to you... |
| 14:34:12 | GodEater | jpt9: not until we have our own usb stack |
| 14:34:25 | jpt9 | ah. |
| 14:34:48 | linuxstb | preglow: IMO it's very relevant - asking which device the user has seems to be hiding what's going on behind the scenes, which I don't like. |
| 14:35:22 | preglow | linuxstb: i don't why it matters, for archos you have one choice: mp3, for swcodec you have once choice: speex, and you will never, ever need to know what format you are using |
| 14:35:33 | preglow | but sure, i don't care, i can hang on two format names |
| 14:35:43 | jhMikeS | obviously this encoder building should run on debian. where might I look for the best place to deal with include details? |
| 14:35:55 | * | amiconn wonders what gentalkclips.sh is :> |
| 14:36:45 | preglow | hm? |
| 14:36:56 | * | amiconn uses voiceBox for generating .talk clips |
| 14:37:01 | * | jhMikeS 's problem is building the speex encoder itself in tools |
| 14:37:10 | jpt9 | oh yeah... |
| 14:37:24 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Did you change the "inttypes.h to <inttypes.h> ? |
| 14:37:43 | jpt9 | sometimes Rockbox won't let me shut off my Sansa if the USB cable is plugged it. (it's attached to one of those USB power adapters). |
| 14:37:53 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: in the speex files? no, will try that. |
| 14:38:00 | preglow | amiconn: what/where is that? |
| 14:38:12 | preglow | amiconn: i don't use this shit myself so i have no idea what i have to fix.... |
| 14:38:15 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Yes, see the logs from 23 minutes ago... |
| 14:38:41 | n1s | jpt9: the sansa can not be shut down while connected to external power (afaik) |
| 14:38:50 | jpt9 | does anyone know how to get rid of the Windows "Your USB device you attached is almost full. We think it might be new from the manufacturer, so we'll offer you the option to delete all the data on it. While stealing the focus from where you're currently typing. Have a nice day." thing? |
| 14:39:01 | jpt9 | ah. |
| 14:41:53 | krazykit | jpt9, use a better operating system? |
| 14:41:59 | jhMikeS | bah, still not working |
| 14:42:05 | jpt9 | i will... |
| 14:42:11 | jpt9 | once I get a decent disk defragmenter... |
| 14:42:16 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Is this patch on flyspray? I can try on Debian. |
| 14:42:33 | preglow | linuxstb: the patch in question is mine, you had a look at it yesterday |
| 14:42:34 | jpt9 | Diskeeper Home (I'm at RPI; it came with the laptop) can't shove all the files to one end of the disk. |
| 14:42:55 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/speex-voicebuilding.patch |
| 14:43:00 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: not one with the encoder, can make a patch though |
| 14:44:49 | jpt9 | also, is there any way you could have the wheel on the Sansa move the keyboard cursor left/right (or better yet, if you're not using Rec for anything, have it swap the X/Y key controls)? |
| 14:44:55 | jhMikeS | yep, definitely compiles libspeex in a normal build context. I verified to make sure it's not just me. |
| 14:45:08 | krazykit | jpt9, not without compiling your own build |
| 14:45:16 | linuxstb | preglow: So I should just apply that patch and type "make rbspeexenc" in tools? |
| 14:45:40 | preglow | linuxstb: just do make tools |
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| 14:45:49 | linuxstb | Ouch, doing that attempts to do "mkdir /libspeex"... |
| 14:45:53 | amiconn | preglow: It's not in SVN, but in the wiki: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto#Automated_generation_of_talk_cli |
| 14:46:04 | amiconn | It's a vbscript + html application |
| 14:46:24 | preglow | linuxstb: feel free to fix, i absolutely hate hacking this shit |
| 14:46:33 | amiconn | I don't think fixing it will be a problem. We just need to provide an encoder executable in the package |
| 14:46:50 | preglow | gheh |
| 14:46:55 | preglow | i'll see what i can do later |
| 14:47:10 | LinusN | preglow: tools/configure looks for tools/speexenc when configuring, but it isn't built until after the configuration is done |
| 14:47:11 | preglow | i'll probably boot windows once during the day |
| 14:47:17 | preglow | LinusN: i know, fixed locally |
| 14:47:58 | * | amiconn boots windows approximately once a week, or even less often |
| 14:48:10 | amiconn | I just let it run... |
| 14:48:13 | LinusN | preglow: rbspeexenc.c:261: error: redefinition of 'get_long_le' |
| 14:48:21 | preglow | redefinition???? |
| 14:48:48 | preglow | i must be accidentally including some rockbox stuff, then, i assume the system doesn't have that |
| 14:49:37 | LinusN | wow, looks like the source is included twice |
| 14:49:45 | preglow | ??? |
| 14:49:54 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: It compiles fine for me - I did "mkdir build-voice ; cd build-voice; (ran configure for voice); make tools" and it worked. |
| 14:50:06 | LinusN | must be because i tried to apply both your and jhmikes patch |
| 14:50:20 | LinusN | now it compiles fine |
| 14:50:25 | LinusN | (cygwin) |
| 14:50:31 | preglow | linuxstb: why the hell did it try to mkdir /libspeex ? |
| 14:50:47 | linuxstb | preglow: Because TOOLSDIR isn't defined if you type "make" manually inside the tools directory. |
| 14:50:58 | preglow | linuxstb: but you're never suppĂosed to do that, are you? |
| 14:51:17 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: the image i'm running is straight off the wiki link...0 modifications |
| 14:51:47 | linuxstb | It works for the other tools... And the user might want to build rbspeexenc (e.g. for talk clips) without doing a configure |
| 14:51:52 | LinusN | preglow: would your patch break anything if we commit it now? |
| 14:52:00 | preglow | LinusN: yes, voice building |
| 14:52:01 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I'm using a "real" Debian install. |
| 14:52:07 | LinusN | preglow: why? |
| 14:52:15 | preglow | LinusN: because i removed the encoder option from configure |
| 14:52:17 | * | jhMikeS is using VMWare |
| 14:52:29 | preglow | LinusN: so you/bagder have to fix that on the web end of things |
| 14:52:47 | LinusN | preglow: you removed it? |
| 14:52:47 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm happy to try and fix it though - leave it with me... |
| 14:52:54 | preglow | linuxstb: aye |
| 14:53:00 | preglow | LinusN: yes i did |
| 14:53:05 | preglow | LinusN: there is no real choice anyway |
| 14:53:26 | preglow | if $swcodec is set, i set encoder to lame, if not, rbspeexenc |
| 14:53:27 | LinusN | but we must still support mp3 |
| 14:53:31 | LinusN | aha |
| 14:53:37 | preglow | the other way around... |
| 14:54:10 | * | preglow glues another "read _before_ pressing enter" note to his display |
| 14:55:09 | LinusN | preglow: can you commit everything but the configure cgange? |
| 14:55:13 | LinusN | change even |
| 14:55:26 | preglow | LinusN: i still haven't fixed .talk clip generation either |
| 14:55:28 | preglow | not even tested it |
| 14:55:44 | linuxstb | preglow: I think it may be cleaner if we create a "rbspeexenc" directory in tools/, and put rbspeexenc.c in there, along with a new Makefile. Typing "make" in that directory (or "make -C ../tools/rbspeexenc") should then be capable of building the encoder. |
| 14:55:45 | preglow | LinusN: if i don't commit the configure change, no one will be able to make voice files |
| 14:55:48 | LinusN | it woudl still feel better if the speex encoder was commited |
| 14:55:54 | preglow | LinusN: go ahead... |
| 14:55:57 | preglow | linuxstb: go ahead... |
| 14:56:02 | preglow | you guys need new nicks!!! |
| 14:56:23 | LinusN | haha |
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| 14:56:40 | preglow | hahah |
| 14:56:48 | * | DaveC sees this is registered though... |
| 14:57:01 | | Nick DaveC is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) |
| 14:57:04 | LinusN | yes, i regged it to stop you from changing your nick |
| 14:57:05 | preglow | i'll just make my nick completer choose randomly, will probably give better results |
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| 14:57:38 | preglow | LinusN: ok, so what would you rather happen now? |
| 14:58:10 | LinusN | i'd want the speex encoder committed, but still build voices the old way |
| 14:58:35 | preglow | okiedoke, that we can do as soon as linuxstb fixes the stuff he wanted fixed |
| 14:58:40 | LinusN | greato |
| 14:59:17 | linuxstb | Are nicks case-sensitive? |
| 14:59:20 | LinusN | i'm a little concerned when the patches become so big |
| 14:59:37 | LinusN | i like incremental change |
| 14:59:39 | * | linuxstb wonders why xchat's nick-completion ignores case |
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| 15:00:24 | preglow | LinusN: sure, no point in not doing it incrementally when possible either |
| 15:01:19 | LinusN | that way we can prepare for speex voice building in a nicer way |
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| 15:04:11 | LinusN | jhMikeS: could you perhaps break out the type conversions in your speex patch and commit them separately, like right now? |
| 15:05:02 | LinusN | that way it is easier to review the speex specific changes in the patch |
| 15:05:43 | jhMikeS | LinusN: I suppose so |
| 15:06:01 | LinusN | would be great |
| 15:06:23 | GodEater | xchat's nick completion can be set to complete nearest match of whoever spoke last |
| 15:06:32 | LinusN | clever |
| 15:06:38 | GodEater | and useful :) |
| 15:06:57 | markun | LinusN: btw, when are we switching over to git? :) |
| 15:07:20 | LinusN | :-P |
| 15:08:14 | * | GodEater waves his "commit 7738" placard |
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| 15:09:12 | preglow | genvoice? |
| 15:09:14 | preglow | what is this for? |
| 15:10:40 | preglow | ok, currently both gentalkclips.sh and genvoice.sh just hard code both encoder and tts engine in variables, can i continue doing this, pretty please? :) |
| 15:10:54 | preglow | it seems they're not made to be user friendly anyway |
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| 15:13:11 | LinusN | GodEater: look my latest comment in 7738 |
| 15:13:19 | preglow | $0 in a shell script means argv[0], yea? |
| 15:13:30 | preglow | linuxstb: where will rbspeexenc end up? in tools/ or tools/rbspeexenc? |
| 15:14:04 | GodEater | LinusN: it varies by target |
| 15:14:17 | LinusN | GodEater: yes, but not in runtime |
| 15:14:28 | preglow | that would be exciting though, wouldn't it |
| 15:14:33 | LinusN | it should be handled by the preprocessor |
| 15:15:15 | GodEater | erm - ok - I'll look into it again |
| 15:16:26 | LinusN | i'm having a look now |
| 15:16:43 | GodEater | the default case can go completely too I guess |
| 15:18:26 | GodEater | ah - no it can't - that's the one the e200 uses |
| 15:19:07 | LinusN | that's WHEEL_ACCELERATION == 1, right? |
| 15:19:11 | GodEater | yes |
| 15:19:44 | * | GodEater still doesn't understand most of the maths in the patch - that was all jhMikeS and buschell's hard work |
| 15:20:47 | jhMikeS | parabolas |
| 15:22:09 | preglow | another thing we should agree on: -q parameter to encode with |
| 15:22:35 | LinusN | pick one :-) |
| 15:23:48 | preglow | -q 4? |
| 15:23:53 | preglow | amiconn: didn't you have some suggestion for -q ? |
| 15:24:44 | preglow | i guess i'll just tune that later |
| 15:25:05 | preglow | but default for -c (encoder complexity, more quality at same bitrate, but slower encode) can be set to max, yes? |
| 15:25:16 | preglow | it's not excessively slow |
| 15:25:33 | GodEater | I could have sworn one of the cases came back 2 as well - but apparently not |
| 15:26:39 | jhMikeS | LinusN: separate commit done |
| 15:26:53 | LinusN | jhMikeS: lovely |
| 15:27:32 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'm commiting some smaller stuff contained in my patch to svn now, just so you don't get any trouble |
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| 15:32:28 | linuxstb | preglow: In tools/rbspeexenc/ |
| 15:32:37 | preglow | ok |
| 15:33:29 | preglow | just spam me the makefile when you're done |
| 15:33:38 | preglow | how do i remove something i have svn added but not commited, again? |
| 15:34:25 | LinusN | svn revert <file>? |
| 15:34:39 | LinusN | just a guess |
| 15:34:40 | amiconn | preglow: -q 4 or even -q 3 |
| 15:34:41 | jhMikeS | that reverts a file |
| 15:34:45 | jhMikeS | svn rm |
| 15:35:00 | GodEater | LinusN: it looks like the check for WHEEL_ACCELERATION==2 is not required |
| 15:35:01 | jhMikeS | save it if you want it though |
| 15:35:07 | GodEater | I can't find a config which uses it |
| 15:35:09 | pondlife | LinusN: Any chance your menu.c fix has resolved http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8003 ? |
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| 15:35:34 | LinusN | GodEater: let's keep it anyway, one day we might find a target that benefits from it |
| 15:35:53 | GodEater | I could have sworn the Nano was set up to use 2 |
| 15:35:57 | LinusN | pondlife: nope :-( |
| 15:35:57 | GodEater | I must have imagined it |
| 15:36:33 | LinusN | pondlife: my fix only appiled to the padding for the scrolling demo text |
| 15:36:38 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 15:37:01 | farhank | Does anyone know when the wma patch for fastforwarding and rewinding is going to be included so I can generate a checked out source and update? |
| 15:37:18 | LinusN | farhank: which patch #? |
| 15:37:30 | farhank | i'm not sure, someone was talking about it in here yesterday. |
| 15:38:15 | farhank | I just know that they have it, and I wondered when it was going to be included, as i'm leaving for london tomorrow and will be stuck with some not foastforwarding wmas if I don't convert them. |
| 15:38:24 | LinusN | farhank: i found it, but it looks like it isn't finished |
| 15:38:30 | farhank | ahh |
| 15:38:48 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7989 |
| 15:39:09 | pondlife | GodEater: Sorry if I'm being obtuse and pestery, but could you just recheck FS #7307. Verify that keyclick_3.patch definitely causes the beepfromhell, and that it doesn't happen with keyclick_4.patch. I find it hard to believe, sadly. |
| 15:39:33 | pondlife | Apparently Sansa still suffers with _4... |
| 15:39:50 | GodEater | um - ok |
| 15:40:25 | LinusN | jhMikeS: time to resync your speex patch :-) |
| 15:41:14 | farhank | seeking is broken in wma, but is that part of why when you stop playing a file and go back to it later it doesn't bookmark your position? |
| 15:41:21 | pondlife | GodEater: I want to be sure before I start hacking away madly... it seems most likely that you were lucky yesterday. |
| 15:41:57 | jhMikeS | LinusN: deed |
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| 15:42:19 | LinusN | farhank: i believe so |
| 15:42:45 | * | LinusN is excited about speex voice |
| 15:42:50 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'll resync my part as soon as linuxstb sends me the makefile stuff |
| 15:43:23 | farhank | speex voice? it isn't going to generate mp3 files? |
| 15:43:29 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm almost there - the problem now is an undefined reference to le2h32() in speex_header.c |
| 15:43:38 | preglow | linuxstb: btw, latest builld seemed to add about 25kb to arm builds, will be less for coldfire |
| 15:43:42 | preglow | i don't think that's too bad |
| 15:43:48 | GodEater | pondlife: building with v3 at the moment |
| 15:43:50 | preglow | linuxstb: why didn't i get that? |
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| 15:44:08 | pondlife | OK. I'm fairly sure you can get that to fail still... |
| 15:44:08 | LinusN | farhank: we are working towards using speex instead for the targets that can support it |
| 15:44:13 | preglow | LinusN: btw, latest builld seemed to add about 25kb to arm builds, will be less for coldfire |
| 15:44:27 | preglow | and yes, i enjoy telling you linuxstb the same things |
| 15:44:44 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:44:46 | jhMikeS | preglow: still have a few of those minor changes left...made more than I realized |
| 15:44:47 | linuxstb | preglow: I don't know... Maybe I'm not passing the correct -D options or something... Let me upload what I've got. |
| 15:44:51 | LinusN | 25k is nothing |
| 15:45:06 | preglow | i can shave off more too |
| 15:45:23 | linuxstb | preglow: My Makefile is here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/Makefile |
| 15:45:27 | preglow | i'm just a bit hesitant to go #ifdef crazy |
| 15:45:48 | linuxstb | preglow: Create a new directory (rbspeexenc) in tools/ move rbspeexenc.c into it, and put that Makefile there as well. Then "cd" into into, and type "make" |
| 15:45:51 | pondlife | 25kcode gain, but freeing up 512k swap buffers? |
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| 15:46:16 | jhMikeS | yeah but the 512K buffer was only allocated when voice was required |
| 15:46:17 | preglow | pondlife: more than that |
| 15:46:23 | preglow | iram swap buffer too |
| 15:46:31 | preglow | the greatest gain is less complexity, if you ask me |
| 15:46:46 | * | pondlife agrees |
| 15:46:47 | jhMikeS | yeah, the buffer handling is way simpler |
| 15:46:49 | preglow | linuxstb: ok, so this thing replaces the libspeex/Makefile for this scenario? |
| 15:47:18 | linuxstb | Yes. It's a completely self-contained Makefile, but it uses SOURCES in the libspeex directory. |
| 15:47:45 | preglow | linuxstb: i get the same |
| 15:47:47 | linuxstb | I think the problem is that we have no endianness check... |
| 15:48:05 | linuxstb | I think it worked by chance for you - it was compiling with the same endianness as the target... |
| 15:48:18 | preglow | i never use the header module |
| 15:48:37 | preglow | isn't letoh32 a rockbox function? |
| 15:48:43 | preglow | aaaaah |
| 15:48:51 | preglow | i know where the bug is |
| 15:49:29 | preglow | ok, how do i detect if i'm building as part of rockbox? |
| 15:49:39 | preglow | any nice define? |
| 15:50:02 | linuxstb | I think there's a -DROCKBOX define. If not, just add one to your libspeex Makefile |
| 15:50:28 | preglow | ifdef ROCKBOX fixed it |
| 15:50:29 | linuxstb | In fact, that's something I invented for libdemac - I use it there. |
| 15:50:40 | preglow | so i should go #ifdef ROCKBOX? |
| 15:50:54 | linuxstb | Yes - but you need to add -DROCKBOX to the libspeex Makefile |
| 15:51:01 | GodEater | pondlife: I cannot get the earsplitting shriek with v3 |
| 15:51:05 | GodEater | I've tried really hard |
| 15:51:10 | pondlife | Hmm |
| 15:51:15 | pondlife | So keyclick is clicking? |
| 15:51:20 | GodEater | for the most part |
| 15:51:27 | GodEater | I get the occasional *short* beep |
| 15:51:30 | pondlife | The occasional beerp |
| 15:51:36 | GodEater | but not the never ending one |
| 15:51:48 | preglow | linuxstb: kiedoke, will commit a fix so you can continue working, the makefile still isn't 100% good |
| 15:51:49 | GodEater | still want me to try with v4 ? |
| 15:51:49 | pondlife | Are you using SVN as a base? |
| 15:51:55 | GodEater | pondlife: of course |
| 15:52:16 | pondlife | GodEater: Maybe jhMikeS has resolved it? I'll look at his pcmbuf work shortly... |
| 15:52:27 | linuxstb | preglow: Which Makefile? |
| 15:52:31 | pondlife | No need to mess with v4 unless you can get a brain-fryer out of v3. |
| 15:52:33 | preglow | linuxstb: yours |
| 15:52:40 | GodEater | pondlife: have you seen the changes LinusN and I have made to 7738 yet ? |
| 15:52:44 | linuxstb | preglow: OK... |
| 15:53:03 | pondlife | No |
| 15:53:09 | preglow | linuxstb: in speex_header.c, just replace the #if 1 with #ifdef ROCKBOX |
| 15:53:15 | preglow | linuxstb: that should have you on your way for now |
| 15:53:22 | pondlife | But I'm unlikely to commit it as I don't have an iPod |
| 15:53:43 | GodEater | not sure who is going to in that case |
| 15:53:48 | linuxstb | Argh, I did "svn update" and now have conflicts... |
| 15:53:52 | pondlife | I just think that it should be committed as the previous time I played with an iPod in Rockbox, the wheel didn't feel great. |
| 15:53:55 | GodEater | I've ripped all the menu entries out now |
| 15:54:09 | GodEater | and just set the defaults that had been picked before as constants |
| 15:54:18 | pondlife | Cool. So you just need to pester a dev who has an iPod :) |
| 15:54:19 | preglow | linuxstb: at least this makes the libspeex/Makefile a lot nicer... |
| 15:54:33 | GodEater | pondlife: I already have - they're mostly ignoring me ;) |
| 15:54:43 | pondlife | haha, that old problem. |
| 15:54:47 | GodEater | =/ |
| 15:54:59 | GodEater | amiconn isn't keen on it because it's clickwheel ipods only |
| 15:55:01 | * | LinusN installs the scceleration patch on his G5 |
| 15:55:32 | pondlife | Well, it can be extended to the other iPods once it's in SVN... |
| 15:56:02 | linuxstb | preglow: I think I've messed up my tree, and your patch doesn't apply any more to SVN - can you update it? |
| 15:56:11 | preglow | linuxstb: kiedoke |
| 15:56:59 | preglow | linuxstb: i won't include any rbspeexenc.c stuff, then |
| 15:57:01 | * | pondlife is happy that jhMikeS worked on the crossfade code and never removed it ;) |
| 15:57:11 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:58:32 | jhMikeS | haha |
| 15:58:36 | LinusN | GodEater: so have we tested 7738 on all targets that it affects? |
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| 15:59:10 | GodEater | I'm not sure. Llorean tested on Nano, linuxstb tested on a color, and I've tested on a 5.5G |
| 15:59:27 | preglow | linuxstb: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/speex-voicebuilding_2.patch |
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| 16:00:00 | * | jhMikeS should probably remove preglow's previous voice building patch before this becomes a mess |
| 16:00:08 | preglow | oh yes |
| 16:00:09 | preglow | i did warn you :> |
| 16:00:33 | GodEater | the e200 bit has been test by a lot of users afaik |
| 16:00:50 | linuxstb | preglow: Hmm, strange error - it builds rbspeexenc but then gives an error? |
| 16:00:52 | GodEater | the only unconfirmed targets at the 2g mini, and the 4G greyscale |
| 16:01:04 | jhMikeS | preglow: libspeex changes too? some are required here. |
| 16:01:35 | preglow | linuxstb: it does build libspeex, yes, it complained about the resampler here |
| 16:01:44 | preglow | linuxstb: do you defined ROCKBOX_VOICE_ENCODER also when processing SOURCES? |
| 16:01:54 | * | jhMikeS can just svn revert /tools |
| 16:02:08 | linuxstb | preglow: Where are you typing "make" - you should do it inside tools/rbspeexenc/ for now |
| 16:02:12 | preglow | linuxstb: did |
| 16:02:41 | linuxstb | I don't build libspeex... it just builds all the .o files and links them with rbspeexenc,o to create rbspeexenc (which works for me) |
| 16:02:48 | linuxstb | Or is that what you meant? |
| 16:03:10 | preglow | gcc -o rbspeexenc $(OBJS) -lm |
| 16:03:28 | preglow | doesn't that line need rbspeexen.c too? |
| 16:03:41 | preglow | mno |
| 16:03:57 | preglow | cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DROCKBOX_VOICE_ENCODER -I ../../apps/codecs/libspeex -iquote ../../apps/codecs/libspeex -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-unused-parameter -c -o all.o |
| 16:04:00 | preglow | cc: no input files |
| 16:04:02 | preglow | i get that here |
| 16:04:26 | linuxstb | Yes, but before that, it's finished and created rbspeexenc ? |
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| 16:05:08 | LinusN | the file browser is still hopelessly sluggish on my g5 :-( |
| 16:05:21 | preglow | linuxstb: it did indeed |
| 16:05:28 | amiconn | LinusN: eh? |
| 16:05:57 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, the cursor lags a lot |
| 16:05:58 | amiconn | I never actually had the impression that the browser is slow on G5, even before my lcd speedup |
| 16:06:14 | GodEater | it's only speedy when the cpu is boosted |
| 16:06:17 | GodEater | :( |
| 16:06:25 | amiconn | With the speedup, it's completely decent, even at 24MHz |
| 16:06:36 | GodEater | still choppy here |
| 16:06:38 | linuxstb | preglow: This is odd - I'm assuming it's trying to create all.o because it's making "all"... |
| 16:06:55 | linuxstb | preglow: If you type "make rbspeexenc" then it works perfectly. |
| 16:06:56 | LinusN | amiconn: the menus are like lightning, but not the file browser |
| 16:08:23 | LinusN | i'm surprised that the file browser is so much slower |
| 16:08:32 | LinusN | i mean, what's the difference? |
| 16:08:46 | LinusN | it's horrible |
| 16:08:47 | linuxstb | preglow: Hmm, adding ".PHONY : all" fixes it, but I wonder why that's needed... |
| 16:09:13 | GodEater | LinusN: is this the same degree of slow you mentioned a month of so back ? |
| 16:09:18 | LinusN | yes |
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| 16:09:27 | GodEater | I believe I got it too |
| 16:09:34 | GodEater | but I can't remember when it got fixed |
| 16:09:36 | GodEater | or why |
| 16:09:54 | preglow | linuxstb: don't ask me, i would have been frothing at the mouth already if dealing with this |
| 16:10:21 | jhMikeS | preglow: now I'm getting undefined refs to codec_realloc, speex_uwb_mode, speex_default_user_handler, speex_inband_handler :\ |
| 16:10:36 | linuxstb | preglow: OK, Makefile updated on my website - same URL |
| 16:10:38 | preglow | \o/ |
| 16:10:53 | GodEater | in any case, my file browser is now no longer slow |
| 16:10:56 | preglow | i'll check it out |
| 16:11:13 | linuxstb | preglow: But we still need to integrate this into tools/Makefile somehow... |
| 16:11:57 | preglow | linuxstb: and once again i am more than content with leaving it in your able hands :> |
| 16:12:04 | linuxstb | ;) |
| 16:12:40 | preglow | linuxstb: i'll add some optimizations and stuff |
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| 16:12:55 | LinusN | the default wps is buggy on my g5 |
| 16:13:13 | LinusN | it clears a part of the screen for no reason |
| 16:13:48 | linuxstb | preglow: Would you prefer rbspeexenc to be created in tools/ ? uclpack something similar - the source (and makefile) is in tools/ucl but the executable is created as tools/uclpack |
| 16:15:32 | preglow | linuxstb: well, it sounds more logical, but i don't really care |
| 16:16:10 | preglow | jhMikeS: ahh |
| 16:16:13 | pixelma | LinusN: is that when you had a wps with album art before? I think something like this was reported here and Nico_P committed a fix for it a few days ago, maybe it's still not completely fixed? |
| 16:16:18 | linuxstb | OK, let's rename the rbspeexenc directory to rbspeex, and then I'll build rbspeexenc in tools/ |
| 16:16:32 | preglow | jhMikeS: add back speex_callbacks.c in SOURCES and see if that makes a few disappear |
| 16:16:33 | LinusN | pixelma: i have never had that, and i just reset my settings |
| 16:16:49 | pixelma | weird, never seen that |
| 16:17:41 | preglow | jhMikeS: i don't get why you're getting codec_ things, though |
| 16:18:32 | jhMikeS | do I need those for the core? |
| 16:19:10 | preglow | no, not at all, you fixed those last by commenting out a couple of allocs |
| 16:19:18 | preglow | perhaps you've deleted that code again? |
| 16:19:20 | preglow | it was in bits.c |
| 16:19:26 | jhMikeS | that was malloc, free |
| 16:19:38 | preglow | right, so it's realloc now |
| 16:19:44 | Nico_P | LinusN: do you have album art files? |
| 16:19:58 | jhMikeS | I'll just use #ifndef ROCKBOX_VOICE_CODEC. BTW, are those tables to stay in IRAM for non-core? |
| 16:19:59 | linuxstb | preglow: OK, final version of Makefile now in same place, and a diff for tools/Makefile is here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/tools.diff |
| 16:20:16 | linuxstb | preglow: You now need to rename the tools/rbspeexenc directory to tools/rbspeex |
| 16:20:22 | pixelma | LinusN: I take it back, I have that too now on my c200. It looks as if it's my old wps but with the default font and without the bitmaps |
| 16:20:24 | LinusN | Nico_P: weird, a reboot solved the issue |
| 16:20:58 | LinusN | pixelma: yes, that sounds like what i had too |
| 16:21:07 | preglow | linuxstb: excellent |
| 16:21:29 | pixelma | yes, looks like it's not reset correctly - reboot helped here too |
| 16:21:41 | amiconn | LinusN: File browser isn't slow at all here on the G5.5 ... |
| 16:21:53 | LinusN | amiconn: really odd |
| 16:22:11 | LinusN | amiconn: i wonder what on earth can cause that |
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| 16:23:12 | preglow | linuxstb: 404 on tools.diff |
| 16:23:18 | linuxstb | oops... |
| 16:23:28 | linuxstb | I'll upload it then... ;) |
| 16:23:31 | preglow | :D |
| 16:23:36 | linuxstb | There now. |
| 16:23:47 | pixelma | LinusN: wasn't there something about the gradient bar settings last time you discussed that here? |
| 16:23:59 | Nico_P | LinusN: do you have filetype colouring enabled? |
| 16:24:04 | jhMikeS | preglow: one more time: ought I to retain those tables in IRAM for non-core? |
| 16:24:13 | LinusN | pixelma: yes, that was my first suspicion, but it is the same with a solid bar |
| 16:24:19 | Nico_P | ah |
| 16:24:25 | LinusN | Nico_P: is that enabled by default? |
| 16:24:38 | Nico_P | LinusN: no, I don't think it is |
| 16:24:43 | * | GodEater has both file coloring and the gradient bar in use on his 5.5 |
| 16:24:48 | linuxstb | The file browser seems slow on my 5g as well... I'm not sure how old the build is though... |
| 16:25:01 | * | pixelma wonders why bookmarking sometimes works on c200 and sometimes not... :\ |
| 16:25:16 | preglow | bookmarking needs work... |
| 16:25:19 | * | pondlife wants bookmarking to be per-playlist, not per-folder |
| 16:25:39 | preglow | jhMikeS: most of the tables can be left out at minimal cost, should i check that out? |
| 16:25:50 | GodEater | opinion seems divided on where the bookmark file should end up too |
| 16:25:57 | pixelma | wow, and now it hung on the "bookmark saved" screen |
| 16:26:12 | pondlife | I'd use it much more if I could save a playlist and have the resume point live in the .m3u8 file... |
| 16:26:26 | pondlife | Some kind of bookmarks as #EXTM3U maybe |
| 16:26:39 | jhMikeS | preglow: I think so...I say squeeze it to the minimum. I don't think speed is an issue here at all. |
| 16:26:42 | GodEater | proprietary playlist format ? |
| 16:26:44 | GodEater | yuk |
| 16:27:01 | preglow | jhMikeS: okiedoke, then i'll do that after commiting the encoder |
| 16:27:05 | preglow | linuxstb: thanks, btw |
| 16:27:34 | pondlife | GodEater: Is there a standard way I could achieve this? |
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| 16:27:36 | preglow | jhMikeS: but really, i don't get those new errors |
| 16:29:23 | GodEater | pondlife: don't think so |
| 16:29:30 | pondlife | Pity. |
| 16:29:42 | GodEater | which is why we invented the bookmark file in the first place isn't it ? |
| 16:30:19 | preglow | ok, encoder commit coming up |
| 16:30:56 | pondlife | Yep, but I'd like to be able to have my "all random tracks" playlist for use when I'm feeling indecisive, then listen to a particular album and later return to my original playlist,. |
| 16:31:09 | pondlife | So a per-playlist bookmark would do that neatly, I think |
| 16:31:25 | pondlife | The per-folder method is a special case of per-playlist, no? |
| 16:31:42 | GodEater | I guess so |
| 16:31:54 | GodEater | but the bookmark naming relies on the folder of the currently playing track |
| 16:32:05 | pondlife | Which sucks for database users. |
| 16:32:10 | GodEater | regardless of whether you're actually playing a folder or a playlist you've built yourself |
| 16:32:25 | GodEater | I think it sucks for file browser users too |
| 16:32:31 | pondlife | Yep :) |
| 16:32:35 | jhMikeS | preglow: building a core decoder you don't? |
| 16:32:37 | GodEater | I don't like that the .bmark gets saved into the parent folder |
| 16:32:41 | GodEater | but apparently some people do |
| 16:32:47 | GodEater | so I didn't bother submitting a patch to change it |
| 16:33:07 | pondlife | I like the idea that I could copy my bookmarks, but they should be associated with the playlist, not the folder. |
| 16:33:16 | GodEater | To be honest - I think we'd be better off with a bookmark catalog |
| 16:33:19 | GodEater | much as we have for playlists |
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| 16:33:24 | GodEater | perhaps even use the same folder |
| 16:33:28 | pondlife | Or build it into the playlist catalog |
| 16:33:35 | GodEater | yeah |
| 16:33:42 | preglow | jhMikeS: hmm? |
| 16:33:54 | pondlife | The standard resume tracking should just be a bookmark too. |
| 16:33:58 | GodEater | I don't like the idea of the resume info in that actual playlist though |
| 16:34:22 | GodEater | it stops the playlist being portable =/ |
| 16:34:30 | pondlife | Could be a .bmark file alongside the playlist. The dynamic playlist would need a dynamic bookmark |
| 16:34:31 | jhMikeS | preglow: for building the decoder for the core, you get no errors? don't see how that's possible myself. Anyway...I don't need the user callback stuff for sure. |
| 16:34:53 | GodEater | yeah that would work nicely |
| 16:34:57 | preglow | jhMikeS: i haven't tried yet, i'll need a new patch from you |
| 16:34:59 | pondlife | I agree, I wouldn't want to lose my bookmark(s) because I did some m3u maintenance in another program |
| 16:35:06 | preglow | jhMikeS: btw, do remove my old patch around now |
| 16:35:13 | preglow | all the encoder stuff is going in |
| 16:35:14 | jhMikeS | which parts |
| 16:35:21 | pondlife | But .bmark alongside .m3u makes some sense. |
| 16:35:22 | jhMikeS | I reverted /tools |
| 16:35:42 | GodEater | yep |
| 16:35:46 | jhMikeS | I guess the default user handler does the bit advancing...hmmm |
| 16:35:48 | preglow | tons of stuff will go down in libspeex/ now as well |
| 16:35:54 | jhMikeS | blargh |
| 16:35:55 | PaulJam | doesn't rockbox do it tha way when you play a m3u8? if i play a playlist and create a bookmark, then the bookmark is created in the same dir as the playlist and has the same name, so to resume you just habe to load the bmark file instead of the m3u8. |
| 16:36:04 | jhMikeS | just hold on a sec |
| 16:36:12 | preglow | too late, but you don't have to update |
| 16:36:12 | preglow | heh |
| 16:36:37 | LinusN | amiconn: so you are saying that the file browser is just as responsive as the menus? |
| 16:36:40 | GodEater | PaulJam: I didn't think it did - the routine to name the .bmark file seemed to look at the location of the currently playing file |
| 16:36:45 | GodEater | I'll check again |
| 16:36:58 | jhMikeS | it's not much...I'll just revert that tree |
| 16:37:16 | PaulJam | Godeater: this happens afaik when you play a dynamic playlist |
| 16:37:39 | GodEater | you appear to be 100% correct |
| 16:37:44 | pondlife | So if I save my playlist first, it should work |
| 16:37:45 | GodEater | I obviously didn't understand the code properly |
| 16:37:55 | GodEater | it's a little unwieldy mind you |
| 16:38:02 | pondlife | But when I resume it goes back to being a dynamic one....:/ |
| 16:38:14 | * | pondlife will play |
| 16:38:25 | preglow | back in ten, brb |
| 16:38:40 | GodEater | yeah - that's not ideal |
| 16:38:47 | GodEater | also - the naming could be better |
| 16:39:15 | GodEater | when you're viewing "supported" files - the .bmark file appears to be called <playlist name>.m3u8 |
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| 16:41:46 | pondlife | The current playlist filename should be preserved if I shut down, it doesn't seem to... |
| 16:41:56 | pondlife | i.e. if I resave it should default to the same name |
| 16:42:26 | * | GodEater has just tried bookmarking a playlist |
| 16:42:45 | GodEater | and loading it back after playing a different playlist gets the whole playlist back |
| 16:42:58 | GodEater | not just the folder the bookmark was in |
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| 16:51:55 | preglow | well, that was smooth |
| 16:51:57 | * | jhMikeS will just hold off trying to sync any patches for a little bit |
| 16:52:08 | preglow | jhMikeS: nothing more from me now |
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| 16:54:34 | amiconn | LinusN: I really can't compare, just no noticeable lag |
| 16:54:43 | LinusN | wow |
| 16:54:54 | LinusN | in my case it is so much slower in the browser |
| 16:55:09 | amiconn | I am using solid colour bar, no background image, no filetype colouring, and no custom icons |
| 16:55:22 | LinusN | amiconn: same here, i use the default settings |
| 16:55:26 | amiconn | Just rockbox blue background and rockbox orange selector |
| 16:55:38 | amiconn | Nimbus-12 |
| 16:55:55 | LinusN | i have tried different settings, no difference in lag |
| 16:55:57 | jhMikeS | preglow: ok, now I'm just getting the stuff about the various heap calls. |
| 16:56:34 | LinusN | i use the default settings, as per a settings reset |
| 16:56:57 | jhMikeS | preglow: should I do the same for the realloc as the others? |
| 16:59:09 | * | amiconn has to compare again whether he can feel a difference between menus and browser |
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| 17:01:03 | LinusN | amiconn: it is easier to see if you enter a directory with many items, and use a small font |
| 17:01:09 | preglow | jhMikeS: jwell, why not |
| 17:01:43 | preglow | linuxstb: oh yeah, forgot to credit you for that, i assume you'll survive :> |
| 17:02:25 | linuxstb | preglow: No problem ;) BTW, I think line 75 in rbspeexenc be fread, not read? |
| 17:02:35 | jhMikeS | in speex_bits_read_from and speex_bits_read_whole_bytes, it reallocs bits->chars...not sure how to handle this. |
| 17:02:36 | LinusN | amiconn: i get the same lag if i browse fonts |
| 17:03:48 | preglow | linuxstb: i LOVE how c just lets bugs like that through |
| 17:04:04 | linuxstb | preglow: You may want to add -Wall to the CFLAGS... |
| 17:04:11 | linuxstb | (that's how I found it...) |
| 17:04:30 | jhMikeS | hmmm...doesn't seem to care if I just remove the group functions alltogether. |
| 17:05:29 | preglow | linuxstb: are you sure the makefile deps are ok? if i change rbspeexenc.c, it doesn't rebuild when called from "make tools" |
| 17:05:39 | LinusN | amiconn: hmm, i changed to nimbus-12, and now the menus are almost as laggy as the browser :-) |
| 17:05:46 | * | jhMikeS should just start removing functions and if compiles it's good if not, keep it |
| 17:06:47 | LinusN | amiconn: well, the browser is still a lot worse than the menus |
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| 17:08:23 | linuxstb | preglow: The problem is in tools/Makefile - we'll need to make rbspeexenc .PHONY |
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| 17:09:14 | linuxstb | preglow: I think the same issue will happen with uclpack... |
| 17:09:29 | jhMikeS | what does .PHONY do? Where's the makefile manual? Use "man"? |
| 17:10:43 | preglow | linuxstb: ok, so any time i change rbspeexenc, people will need to actually make clean first |
| 17:10:47 | preglow | that's very nasty |
| 17:10:56 | preglow | jhMikeS: gnu hates man, you need to use "info make" |
| 17:11:03 | preglow | jhMikeS: but i'd just go for the web manual |
| 17:11:08 | linuxstb | The only version of the info is better - ask google... - http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/gnu/make/make_33.html |
| 17:11:13 | linuxstb | s/only/online/ |
| 17:11:35 | linuxstb | preglow: No, adding the .PHONY means that "make -C rbspeex" will always be run. |
| 17:12:04 | linuxstb | The problem is that currently, "make" sees rbspeexenc already exists, and that there are no dependencies, so does nothing. |
| 17:12:18 | linuxstb | (in tools/Makefile) |
| 17:12:36 | lostlogic | jhMikeS: clip_sample_16 seems to do the wrong thing with the sign bit... what am I missing? |
| 17:12:54 | preglow | well, end result is that changes i make to rbspeexenc.c are ignored, yes? |
| 17:13:07 | preglow | it certainly seems like it |
| 17:13:11 | jhMikeS | lostlogic: same code as in DSP and SPC codec |
| 17:13:27 | jhMikeS | it should be fine unless I munged it somehow |
| 17:13:40 | preglow | linuxstb: even a hard "make tools" ignores anything i do to rbspeexenc.c |
| 17:14:18 | jhMikeS | lostlogic: which part looks wrong? I don't see a problem. |
| 17:14:50 | lostlogic | jhMikeS: I must not be understanding it −− why is the sign bit xor'd with the _low_ bit of the final sample? |
| 17:15:27 | jhMikeS | 0xffffffff ^ 0x7fff = 0x8000, 0x00000000 ^ 0x7fff = 0x7fff |
| 17:15:50 | linuxstb | preglow: Fix committed. |
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| 17:15:54 | jhMikeS | woops 0xffff8000 |
| 17:16:26 | lostlogic | oh, there's my stupid −− >> is signed. |
| 17:16:31 | lostlogic | thanks! |
| 17:16:32 | jhMikeS | yeah :) |
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| 17:23:05 | pondlife | red? |
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| 17:24:10 | pondlife | linuxstb: Your red? |
| 17:24:11 | preglow | linuxstb: most excellent |
| 17:24:54 | preglow | now, that's a fancy error |
| 17:24:59 | pixelma | looks like problems on bygg again? |
| 17:25:12 | * | preglow helps bygg to its feet |
| 17:25:38 | * | preglow takes the booze bottle away from bygg |
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| 17:26:43 | salty-horse | when playing a song in the file browser, and the dir is turned into a playlist, is it possible to have it automatically sorted by track number? |
| 17:26:44 | * | linuxstb blames the red on bygg as well... |
| 17:27:36 | linuxstb | It should be sorted by filename - so if the filenames contain the track number at the start, it will sort correctly. Otherwise you will need to use the database. |
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| 17:35:40 | salty-horse | reasonable enough, linuxstb. thanks |
| 17:42:01 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - Don't waste any time on this, but : a (long) time ago, you commited some changes to the usb detection on PP devices (0/1 to USB_EXTRACTED/USB_INSERTED).. Since then the screendump doesn't work, at least on the h10 devices (see FS #8170).. Is it possible that debug's screendump didn't get the notice? |
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| 17:43:53 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: It sounds like you've proved my commit broke it... ;) |
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| 17:44:06 | * | linuxstb tests on his ipod |
| 17:44:20 | * | preglow got a t-shirt |
| 17:45:08 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: I've just tried a screendump on my ipod (Color), and it works fine... |
| 17:45:46 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - It might be something specific to h10s, I wouldn't know. But I started hunting the bug (through downloading 20+ different svn versions) when a few folks on misticriver told me about that. |
| 17:47:30 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - Been reading source file after source file, but I'll be damned if I understand anything. As I said, it's pretty trivial anyway, so if there's no 'eureka' moment, just forget about it and keep working on making rockbox work. :) |
| 17:47:51 | linuxstb | What happens if you hold RIGHT when inserting the USB cable? |
| 17:48:01 | PaulPosition | gonna try that. |
| 17:49:50 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - Well, well.. :o So the 'right/select' button would serve like the 'menu' button for that.. It does work. |
| 17:50:45 | amiconn | Hmm, odd |
| 17:50:56 | PaulPosition | (although it kind of make 'screendump' useless :p ) |
| 17:51:11 | amiconn | The browser *is* a bit laggy compared to the menu on G5.5 (and btw I'm using Nimbus-19) |
| 17:51:25 | amiconn | But it seems there is a stray boost somewhere |
| 17:51:39 | amiconn | I have a boost count of 1 right after boot |
| 17:52:13 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: I think this is because the H10 reverses the USB logic - it only reboots into disk mode if you're holding RIGHT (IIUC) |
| 17:52:54 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - It would make sense. I guess. |
| 17:53:26 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: I'm still looking at it though... |
| 17:55:31 | linuxstb | Ah yes, that is the reason. The H10 defines the "charge only" button as BUTTON_NONE, which means the usb detect function is returning USB_POWERED, not USB_INSERTED when nothing is pressed. |
| 17:55:43 | linuxstb | And the screendump is only done on USB_INSERTED... |
| 17:56:04 | amiconn | Looks like the lagginess simply depends on string length |
| 17:56:22 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - But as I said, it's a trivial thing. WPS designers still have simulator for creating screendumps and most debug info don't react on pressing right, so there's no big loss. |
| 17:56:22 | amiconn | So if there are lots of long filenames in the list, it will slow down |
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| 17:57:27 | amiconn | I think that means mono bitmap drawing is in need of optimisation |
| 17:57:28 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: Yes, I can't think of a nice fix... Let's keep waiting for Zagor's usb code... |
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| 17:57:46 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: I'll comment on your task though. |
| 17:58:12 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - Thanks for taking some time looking at it. And commenting, if only so no one starts chasing windmills. |
| 17:58:17 | amiconn | Of course it could pay off to check for nasty things like multiple redraws in the list code as well |
| 17:59:27 | PaulPosition | amiconn - Is that specific to the G5.5 or is it something you'd like to test on (completely different) targets? |
| 17:59:56 | * | PaulPosition 's only forte is having time to test. |
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| 18:01:03 | amiconn | It probably affects all 16 bit colour targets (if it's the mono bitmap drawing), or all targets (if it's the list code) |
| 18:01:23 | amiconn | But larger screens will suffer more |
| 18:01:55 | amiconn | (unless that larger screen is backed by a faster cpu, i.e. gigabeat) |
| 18:01:55 | PaulPosition | heh.. I have the smallest screen. |
| 18:02:03 | amiconn | I doubt that... |
| 18:03:04 | amiconn | Smallest screen (both in terms of pixels and in terms of framebuffer bytes) would be the archoses |
| 18:03:08 | pixelma | even not the smallest colour screen |
| 18:04:26 | PaulPosition | True enough, I didn't think of the mono targets. But is there a colour one with less than 128x128 ? |
| 18:04:32 | amiconn | yes |
| 18:04:38 | PaulJam | c200 |
| 18:04:39 | pixelma | 132x80 (c200) is smaller than 128x128 |
| 18:04:39 | amiconn | c200: 132x80 |
| 18:04:56 | PaulPosition | Sheesh, c200. Forgot about this new kid. |
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| 18:07:51 | amiconn | tierra: Around now? |
| 18:08:28 | amiconn | Meh, who did this strange "optimisation" in lcd-16bit.c: lcd_mono_bitmap_part() that actually slows things down? |
| 18:08:36 | * | amiconn checks svn |
| 18:10:14 | amiconn | Looks like gregw... |
| 18:10:49 | amiconn | Putting a switch() into an inner loop is clearly not a way to speed things up... |
| 18:14:57 | linuxstb | I'm also curious about his ARM optimisation to lcd_bitmap_transparent_part... |
| 18:15:54 | pondlife | Hmm, how should one "artificially heat" a Nano? ;-) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7510#comment19623 |
| 18:18:09 | PaulJam | microwave for example... |
| 18:18:15 | krazykit | probably a hairdryer |
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| 18:18:45 | krazykit | actually, put some oil in the skillet... add onions and garlic, when those are near done, put in the nano |
| 18:19:17 | pondlife | oblib's very specific with that "CPU > 65MHz bit" comment. |
| 18:19:36 | pondlife | Why 65MHz, I wonder? |
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| 18:25:18 | amiconn | The bit is named that way by the ipl people |
| 18:26:09 | amiconn | But it seems that it's not recommended on PP in general; PaulPosition tried it on H10 and got freezes |
| 18:26:10 | Nico_P | does this mean FS #7510 is fixed? |
| 18:26:27 | amiconn | The PP ata controller definitely needs research |
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| 18:26:54 | amiconn | I might look into that later, for now I'm quite busy with lcd & backlight |
| 18:27:25 | * | amiconn *still* needs a tester with some basic build knowledge and an ipod 4th gen grayscale or a mini 1st gen |
| 18:27:51 | * | amiconn also thinks a gfx benchmark plugin would be a good idea |
| 18:28:41 | preglow | jhMikeS: so, what next? |
| 18:28:42 | pondlife | Someone here must have a 4th gen grayscale or a mini 1st gen |
| 18:28:49 | Nico_P | amiconn: what would it do compared to testfps? |
| 18:29:19 | amiconn | Test things like lcd_drawline(), lcd_fillrect(), lcd_mono_bitmap_part(), lcd_bitmap_part() ... |
| 18:29:38 | pondlife | Mandelbrot with an FPS readout? |
| 18:29:56 | amiconn | Mandelbrot isn't that gfx heavy |
| 18:30:07 | preglow | it's more cpu heavy |
| 18:30:10 | amiconn | yes |
| 18:30:11 | linuxstb | amiconn: I agree, a gfx benchmark plugin would be very helpful.... |
| 18:30:43 | pondlife | testfps++ |
| 18:30:54 | amiconn | But lcd-16bit.c: lcd_mono_bitmap_part() is clearly in need of optimisation, and in fact t shouldn't be difficult |
| 18:31:21 | amiconn | pondlife: test_fps tests hardware. A gfx benchark is a pure software benchmark |
| 18:31:40 | amiconn | It could even run in the sim (althoguh that probably doesn't make much sense) |
| 18:32:14 | amiconn | pondlife: For mono bitmaps, logo.rock with the sleep() removed would be a better benchmark |
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| 18:32:52 | * | amiconn wonders whether greg white really benched his optimisations on gigabeat |
| 18:33:13 | * | amiconn suspects that it slows down things on all 16 bit targets, including gigabeat |
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| 18:34:49 | pixelma | PaulJam: as I understand it, a microwave won't help you much as long as you don't apply some water as well.. ;) |
| 18:35:44 | PaulJam | pixelma: well, the metal parts should heat up, no? |
| 18:36:00 | preglow | or fat :P |
| 18:36:29 | krazykit | and/or spark like mad. |
| 18:36:37 | Nico_P | PaulJam: it is a *very* bad idea to put metal in a microwave |
| 18:37:01 | PaulJam | i didn't intend to do it |
| 18:37:43 | * | scorche|w recommends the hair dryer method of heating up a nona |
| 18:37:55 | scorche|w | that also works for nanos >_> |
| 18:37:57 | pixelma | that nona again... :P |
| 18:38:18 | scorche|w | idop nona |
| 18:38:28 | Nico_P | does the patch posted on FS #7510 fix the problem? |
| 18:42:25 | linuxstb | It seems to... |
| 18:43:06 | Nico_P | that's excellent news! :) |
| 18:43:32 | linuxstb | I guess it needs testing on other PP targets before committing though. |
| 18:43:36 | PaulPosition | ...on nano's that is. |
| 18:44:12 | linuxstb | No, all targets I think... (well, all that use the ATA controller) |
| 18:44:18 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - that patch + h10 == freezes on boot 8 out of 10 times, freezes on (trying to) playing song the rest of the time. |
| 18:45:01 | pixelma | amiconn said that about 20 minutes ago... |
| 18:45:04 | PaulPosition | Unless he changed it a lot since I tried it ~10 hours ago. |
| 18:45:15 | * | linuxstb goes to read the logs... |
| 18:45:17 | PaulPosition | indeed. |
| 18:47:47 | preglow | what, a patch on that page?? |
| 18:48:48 | preglow | now, lookie here |
| 18:48:52 | preglow | i wonder where this info was found |
| 18:49:34 | preglow | btw, what's the status on ipod hw eq? |
| 18:51:50 | rasher | Looks like the nano problem was pinched. Well done, whoever that was (I just quickly skipped through -sf mails) |
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| 18:52:46 | JoeBorn | hi all |
| 18:52:54 | JoeBorn | thought you might find this interesting: |
| 18:52:56 | JoeBorn | http://open.neurostechnology.com/node/1020 |
| 18:53:14 | JoeBorn | TI is releasing a free DSP compiler for the C54x for open source work |
| 18:54:25 | JoeBorn | with the DSP bridge, it should be a lot easier to port rockbox to many of the TI devices |
| 18:54:27 | JoeBorn | http://open.neurostechnology.com/node/981 |
| 18:54:29 | jhMikeS | amiconn: those are optimizations? |
| 18:54:30 | rasher | Not bad. Pity they had to be picky about who uses it |
| 18:54:50 | JoeBorn | it's a good step, IMHO |
| 18:55:04 | rasher | The distinction between opensource and commercial is a bit weird |
| 18:55:17 | linuxstb | rasher: That's what struck me as well... |
| 18:55:27 | linuxstb | JoeBorn: Do you have a link to the actual license of that compiler? |
| 18:55:59 | JoeBorn | it's an attachment to the top link |
| 18:56:17 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The commit message says so... |
| 18:56:24 | JoeBorn | we negotiated it for months. |
| 18:56:37 | JoeBorn | you should have seen the first version of the license. |
| 18:56:41 | * | jhMikeS would have thought the diff engine reversed panels |
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| 18:56:58 | rasher | I can't find that attachment |
| 18:56:59 | amiconn | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.c?annotate=12062 |
| 18:57:18 | jhMikeS | yeah, I'm looking at that and saying wtf |
| 18:57:25 | linuxstb | I can't see the attachments either... |
| 18:57:49 | linuxstb | JoeBorn: Are attachments only visible to logged in users? |
| 18:58:12 | JoeBorn | shouldn't be, let me see. |
| 18:58:43 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Well, the idea to implement often needed draw modes directly instead of calling the pixelfuncs might be helpful - but the switch must happen outside the inner loop then |
| 18:58:47 | JoeBorn | try again, should be fixed |
| 18:59:11 | preglow | JoeBorn: now this is an unexpected turn of events |
| 18:59:54 | PaulPosition | preglow - hw eq? Is someone working on getting rockbox to use hardware eq on some targets? |
| 18:59:54 | rasher | Now it's there.. http://open.neurostechnology.com/files/TI-C54x-CGT-v4.1.1.2.tar.bz2 |
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| 19:00:07 | preglow | PaulPosition: i'm trying to have it removed and replaced with tone controls on ipod video |
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| 19:00:15 | linuxstb | I wonder why they only made the Linux version available though - lots of open source devs use Windows, and I'm sure vice-versa... |
| 19:01:09 | PaulPosition | preglow - Oh. I *so* don't know about the ipod platform. I just wish I could have some functional eq on my h10 without ui slowing to a crawl. :p |
| 19:01:28 | amiconn | JoeBorn: What host archs/OSes is this compiler available for? |
| 19:01:28 | JoeBorn | linuxstb: we asked for linux, since that's what most of our folks are using |
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| 19:01:44 | JoeBorn | amiconn: linux for now, but windows might be coming |
| 19:01:47 | JoeBorn | we're working on it. |
| 19:01:51 | amiconn | We'd need at least linux-x86 and linux-x86_64 |
| 19:02:03 | JoeBorn | comment on the blog that you'd like 64 |
| 19:02:06 | amiconn | Windows would be helpful too (cygwin) |
| 19:02:40 | preglow | linux-x86_64 isn't strictly needed |
| 19:02:47 | preglow | i'd go for windows first, fo shizzle |
| 19:02:55 | amiconn | Well, several build servers are running that |
| 19:03:05 | preglow | yeah, but they can also run linux-x86 |
| 19:03:07 | preglow | no trouble at all |
| 19:03:22 | amiconn | Yes - but only if the 32 bit compatibility libs are installed |
| 19:03:40 | * | amiconn prefers to keep his system 64 bit clean |
| 19:04:00 | preglow | sure, me too, but enabling it is very simple, so it really is no biggie, if you ask me |
| 19:04:04 | amiconn | Anyway, not all build servers would need it - those would need to be excluded from TI builds |
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| 19:13:35 | jhMikeS | preglow: what's left to do in the voice switchover besides daily builds using speex? *getting impatient* |
| 19:13:58 | rasher | What needs to be changed? |
| 19:14:03 | rasher | Won't it automatically use speex? |
| 19:14:35 | JoeBorn | amiconn: well comment on the blog, TI will be listening |
| 19:14:43 | jhMikeS | To commit the changed playback of course but can't do that until the other build support is in place. |
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| 19:15:11 | rasher | But what build support? Has anything changed to build a voicefile? |
| 19:15:25 | jhMikeS | new format = new encoder |
| 19:15:40 | rasher | Yeah but isn't that built automatically? |
| 19:15:59 | jhMikeS | I don't think that was put in place yet in a config. |
| 19:16:17 | rasher | so you have to manually build rbspeexenc? |
| 19:16:54 | jhMikeS | yeah, atm. |
| 19:17:22 | rasher | couldn't it be built in the same way as voicefont and wavtrim? |
| 19:18:31 | jhMikeS | There was some trouble. one thing was on Debian VMWare it couldn't find certain #includes, I guess a recent commit fixed another. |
| 19:19:09 | rasher | But shouldn't "make voice" at least attempt to build rbspeexenc in the same way the other tools are built? |
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| 19:22:19 | rasher | Adding \$(SILENT)\$(MAKE) -C \$(TOOLSDIR)/rbspeex CC=\$(HOSTCC) all to the Makefile when building voice for swcodec |
| 19:22:21 | jhMikeS | Maybe. I didn't work on that part but when will the build servers start generating the speex voice for dailies. The core commit and the format change have to happen together. |
| 19:22:25 | rasher | If I got that right |
| 19:22:58 | preglow | jhMikeS: little, i was asking you the same |
| 19:22:59 | rasher | The format change should happen because the commit makes it happen, surely? |
| 19:23:05 | preglow | jhMikeS: i am going to have a test, that's for sure |
| 19:23:08 | preglow | and that's going to happen now |
| 19:23:22 | preglow | and i still need to fix gentalkclips.sh |
| 19:23:24 | jhMikeS | preglow: I'm ready to push the button at a moment's notice |
| 19:23:44 | preglow | well, we need to get a hold of a swede too |
| 19:23:49 | rasher | Why? |
| 19:23:53 | preglow | daily voice builds |
| 19:23:54 | rasher | preglow: create support in voice.pl instead |
| 19:23:56 | preglow | they need to change the script |
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| 19:24:02 | rasher | What needs to be changed? |
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| 19:24:04 | preglow | rasher: i have created support in voice.pl |
| 19:24:11 | rasher | preglow: no I mean for generating talk clips |
| 19:24:19 | preglow | rasher: just the basic shit, use lame for hwcodec, rbspeexenc for swcodec |
| 19:24:23 | preglow | that's that, basically |
| 19:24:29 | rasher | preglow: I thought that happened automatically in configure? |
| 19:24:36 | rasher | I don't see why it wouldn't |
| 19:24:43 | preglow | not for gentalkclips.sh, surely? |
| 19:24:48 | preglow | i don't really know, i never use this stuff |
| 19:25:03 | rasher | I think our problem is that we're talking about two things at once. |
| 19:25:16 | rasher | First, what needs to be changed in the voice build scripts? |
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| 19:25:29 | rasher | Daily voice, that is. |
| 19:26:05 | preglow | rasher: codec selection |
| 19:26:07 | preglow | i removed one prompt |
| 19:26:11 | rasher | Which? |
| 19:26:14 | preglow | codec choice |
| 19:26:19 | rasher | there was no codec choice |
| 19:26:21 | preglow | which basically was just "lame" before |
| 19:26:31 | preglow | are you certain about that? i'm quite sure configure asked for codec |
| 19:26:38 | rasher | It doesn't. |
| 19:26:50 | rasher | # option=`input` |
| 19:26:51 | rasher | option="l" |
| 19:27:02 | preglow | right, then we're good to go |
| 19:27:03 | rasher | It used to, though |
| 19:27:42 | rasher | Assuming rbspeexenc will build automatically and succesfully, it should work |
| 19:27:54 | rasher | As far as I can tell anyway |
| 19:28:09 | preglow | i still have to fix and test talk clips |
| 19:28:19 | preglow | and create a build for amiconn's voicebox |
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| 19:28:54 | rasher | You should just code talkclips support in voice.pl and deprecate gentalkclips.sh |
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| 19:29:33 | preglow | i'm not doing that now :) |
| 19:29:40 | rasher | Lazy. |
| 19:29:43 | preglow | this shell script work is killing my interest slowly and certainly |
| 19:29:51 | preglow | i was in this for the codec work :P |
| 19:29:52 | rasher | But.. perl! |
| 19:30:05 | preglow | it's not enough anymore :/ |
| 19:30:17 | preglow | what do most people use for voice files anyway? |
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| 19:30:39 | rasher | Voice files are created by voice.pl |
| 19:30:55 | preglow | genvoice.sh is dead? |
| 19:31:01 | rasher | I don't think the vbscript solution has caught up, and genvoice.sh is dead as a dodo |
| 19:31:04 | preglow | why is it still in svn? :) |
| 19:31:27 | rasher | Because no one has deleted it yet |
| 19:32:09 | rasher | I guess I'll have a go at stuffing talkclip generation into voice.pl |
| 19:32:51 | rasher | Will probably wait until after your commit |
| 19:34:03 | preglow | ok, so talk clips will be dead until you do? :> |
| 19:34:35 | rasher | I don't think that'd be terribly unreasonable |
| 19:34:46 | rasher | I doubt many people use gentalkclips.sh anyway |
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| 19:36:22 | amiconn | preglow: voicebox probably needs minimal adjustment, and an rbspeexenc.exe |
| 19:36:32 | preglow | amiconn: i'll get you that today |
| 19:36:35 | preglow | hmm |
| 19:36:36 | rasher | preglow: and you removed the encoder argument from encodewav? |
| 19:36:43 | amiconn | Iirc it already allows to choose swcodec or hwcodec, because of format support |
| 19:36:45 | preglow | rasher: encodewav?? |
| 19:36:52 | rasher | preglow: inside voice.pl |
| 19:37:00 | amiconn | The hwcodec setting only generates clips for .mp2 and .mp3 files |
| 19:37:24 | preglow | rasher: i don't believe i've done any such thing, no |
| 19:37:33 | rasher | could've sworn.. |
| 19:37:50 | amiconn | voicebox is mostly a vbscript, hence easy to fix compared to shell scripts ;) |
| 19:38:04 | rasher | preglow: ah right, nevermind |
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| 19:38:57 | rasher | I'm just talking rubbish |
| 19:39:34 | amiconn | The user will need to be aware of the change though |
| 19:40:26 | amiconn | By default, voicebox only creates missing clips, but will not recreate existing ones. There's a checkbox to override this; the user will have to do this once to replace the old .talk clips in mp3 format |
| 19:40:46 | amiconn | The script cannot know whether the clip is in old or new format |
| 19:41:36 | amiconn | That reminds me - the core voice code must be robust enough to not crash when it's fed with mp3 data |
| 19:42:30 | jhMikeS | it is |
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| 19:44:25 | pixelma | hmm... isn't rbutil also able to create .talk clips? Should probably adapted then too... |
| 19:44:33 | pixelma | +be |
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| 19:45:09 | rasher | Gosh, all these options |
| 19:45:31 | rasher | preglow: waste no time in deleting gentalkclips.sh and friends (genvoice.sh and voicecommon.sh) |
| 19:46:00 | preglow | woot |
| 19:46:49 | preglow | rasher: commiting a new dude now? |
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| 19:52:48 | rasher | preglow: Huh? |
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| 19:56:54 | amiconn | bygg seems to be cursed... |
| 19:57:34 | rasher | Eh.. are perl dirhandles global? |
| 19:58:29 | linuxstb | Isn't everything global in Perl, unless prefixed by "my" ? |
| 19:59:11 | rasher | Dirhandles are different beasts |
| 19:59:31 | rasher | Ah, there's a core module which seems somewhat saner |
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| 20:01:03 | rasher | Hrmpf |
| 20:06:10 | webguest98 | hi. when in file browser the result of pressing SELECT button and FF button (on iaudio m5) are the same. where can I look for file to change it? i mean eg. pressing SELECT will insert whole folder but pressing FF will insert only one selected file. |
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| 20:09:57 | preglow | rasher: you told me to delete the bash scripts, i assumed you were working on a replacement for gentalkclips.sh |
| 20:10:13 | rasher | preglow: yeah, I'll implement it inside voice.pl |
| 20:10:22 | rasher | (as planned from the start - I just never got round to it) |
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| 20:13:29 | preglow | do most people just download their voice files? |
| 20:14:14 | rasher | I'd assume so |
| 20:14:22 | preglow | amiconn: you around? |
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| 20:16:49 | amiconn | yes |
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| 20:21:24 | preglow | amiconn: i'm going to try an rbspeexenc build with mingw now |
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| 20:22:03 | PaulPosition | webguest98 - Have you tried a long press of select? Context menu would allow choosing the sort of insert you want (I think).. |
| 20:22:04 | linuxstb | preglow: s/gcc/$(CC)/ in the Makefile... |
| 20:22:05 | amiconn | Imho it would be best to build it in cygwin, but as pure win32 executable |
| 20:22:13 | amiconn | We already do this for several tools |
| 20:22:39 | amiconn | For sapi voice building, this is a necessity |
| 20:22:55 | preglow | amiconn: well, that's what mingw does... |
| 20:23:02 | amiconn | ...because the encoder executable is started from the vbscript, not directly from cygwin |
| 20:23:12 | preglow | mingw is a pure windows env |
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| 20:23:19 | preglow | i never use cygwin, i hate the stuff |
| 20:23:23 | amiconn | Yes, but it would be nice to have it built automatically on demand |
| 20:23:32 | * | linuxstb curses Windows for requiring a .exe extension and looks at the Makefiles again... |
| 20:23:37 | preglow | well, i'm not installing cygwin |
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| 20:25:35 | amiconn | Hmm. Once it builds in mingw, it's probably just a question of CFLAGS to make it build in cygwin |
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| 20:25:49 | amiconn | cygwin gcc -mno-cygwin essetially *is* mingw |
| 20:26:00 | * | linuxstb wonders how uclpack works in cygwin - the target is "uclpack", even for Windows builds (IIUC)... |
| 20:26:20 | Clam | I'm having a bit of trouble with the WPS. When I use the Time tags, and a graphic on the same "line" the graphic will display for a millisecond then disapear. If I use any other text on the same line, the graphic stays... |
| 20:26:35 | preglow | what is -iquote? |
| 20:26:38 | preglow | gcc 3.4.5 does not have it |
| 20:27:00 | linuxstb | preglow: It's the search path for #include "filename.h" |
| 20:27:41 | preglow | -I also includes that, no? |
| 20:28:25 | amiconn | linuxstb: cygwin is clever enough to know about the .exe extension - in most cases |
| 20:29:01 | linuxstb | preglow: I didn't think so - I thought that's the whole point if <> and "" when #incliding |
| 20:29:32 | linuxstb | amiconn: Hmm... In tools/configure, the target is "uclpack", so would "make" look for "uclpack.exe" ? |
| 20:29:43 | linuxstb | I mean tools/Makefile |
| 20:30:24 | preglow | this didn't work too well... |
| 20:30:36 | webguest98 | PaulPosition - yes I can do that but it's slow. the problem is that by pressing SELECT and FF exactly the same actions are taken. it'll be a small improve to differentiate these actions. |
| 20:31:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: Not only uclpack - that applies to all tools |
| 20:31:15 | preglow | linuxstb: just doing CC=i586-mingw32msvc-gcc does not work well and gives strange errors... |
| 20:31:36 | linuxstb | preglow: Did you see the fix I mentioned (replacing gcc with CC) ? |
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| 20:31:46 | preglow | yep |
| 20:31:48 | preglow | applied it too |
| 20:31:51 | PaulPosition | webguest - Then I *think* you'd have to set up a dev environment, edit source code and compile your own build.. On my device, FF/RW are used for page-up/down so I can't really relate. :p |
| 20:31:56 | linuxstb | preglow: That worked fine for me... |
| 20:32:04 | preglow | i586-mingw32msvc-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DROCKBOX_VOICE_ENCODER -I ../../apps/codecs/libspeex -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-unused-parameter -Wall -c -o bits.o |
| 20:32:07 | preglow | i586-mingw32msvc-gcc: no input files |
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| 20:32:09 | preglow | that happens here |
| 20:32:45 | Clam | I uploaded some examples: http://blahtemppics4.googlepages.com/ex1.png as opposed to: http://blahtemppics4.googlepages.com/ex2.png |
| 20:33:44 | linuxstb | preglow: Are you doing that in the tools/rbspeex directory? |
| 20:33:49 | preglow | linuxstb: yessir |
| 20:33:56 | webguest98 | PaulPosition: yes, I want do compile but I simply don't know where I can find the file responlisbe for these actions. |
| 20:34:06 | linuxstb | preglow: I've just done it, and get a .exe (well, a rbspeexenc file without the .exe extension...) |
| 20:34:16 | linuxstb | And you did 'make clean" ? |
| 20:34:17 | preglow | ok... |
| 20:34:20 | preglow | what failed here? |
| 20:34:21 | Llorean | Nico_P: You here? |
| 20:35:26 | Llorean | Nico_P: Anyway, I can't stay at the computer long. Just wanted to ask if the Album Art code then takes into account someone changing from a WPS with one size AA to a different size AA (up or down) safely. |
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| 20:35:39 | linuxstb | preglow: "CC=i586-mingw32msvc-gcc make" is all I typed... My i586-mingw32msvc-gcc is v4.2.1 |
| 20:35:47 | Nico_P | Llorean: I'm here, yeah |
| 20:36:10 | Nico_P | Llorean: depends on what you call safely |
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| 20:37:08 | krazykit | webguest98, apps/keymaps/keymap-yourmodel.c |
| 20:37:28 | preglow | linuxstb: i didn't know such a mingw gcc existed... |
| 20:37:44 | Nico_P | Llorean: off the top of my head, everything should go smoothly... I think I tested too |
| 20:37:49 | linuxstb | preglow: It's just the Debian one - "apt-get install mingw32" |
| 20:37:58 | Llorean | Nico_P: "Doesn't cause crashes or glitchy-looking data" |
| 20:37:58 | preglow | mine is the ubuntu one |
| 20:38:09 | linuxstb | What version is yours? |
| 20:38:12 | preglow | linuxstb: anyway, all is well, relay that exe to amiconn, doing it properly can come later |
| 20:38:15 | preglow | linuxstb: 3.4.5 |
| 20:38:18 | Nico_P | Llorean: I pretty sure it doesn't |
| 20:38:25 | Llorean | Alright |
| 20:38:38 | Llorean | Just thought of it, and was curious |
| 20:38:58 | Clam | Well, it seems to only happen when using the "%pc" tag. Has this got something to do with the constant updating of the current time in the track, but the graphics won't get refreshed? |
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| 20:39:35 | linuxstb | amiconn: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rbspeexenc.zip (my .exe compiled with mingw32) |
| 20:39:40 | PaulPosition | webguest98 - So that would be keymap-x5.c which is used for both the x5 and m5.. Btw, I think that 'extra' select has been put in to facilitate one-handed operation of the dap. |
| 20:40:10 | Llorean | Soap_: If you're around at any point, there's a "fix" for the Nano issue, but one person's reported problems with it not saving settings on shutdown, or playing videos in mpegplayer, wondering if you could see what happens for you. Tracker entry 7510 |
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| 20:40:40 | * | Llorean is going to try it on his "working" nano, just as soon as he runs off and does some errands. |
| 20:43:15 | preglow | jhMikeS: have you tested .talk clips? |
| 20:43:45 | jhMikeS | no...not sure how to pull it off with the trouble I'm having |
| 20:43:50 | preglow | trouble? |
| 20:44:25 | jhMikeS | with the includes, or is that fixed? |
| 20:44:34 | preglow | what, you still can't compile? |
| 20:44:44 | jhMikeS | I'll try again |
| 20:44:57 | preglow | i haven't tried lately, i just assumed you had it fixed when you posted a patch |
| 20:45:10 | preglow | oh, those includes |
| 20:45:44 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: You're talking about building rbspeexenc ? |
| 20:45:51 | jhMikeS | yeah |
| 20:46:17 | linuxstb | Can you update to latest SVN and try running "make" inside tools/rbspeex/ ? |
| 20:46:51 | webguest98 | krazykit - this file controls buttons, but BUTTON_RIGHT and BUTTON_SELECT are connected both to ACTION_STD_OK. If it might work I should add eq. ACTION_insert and bind connect with BUTTON_RIGHT. and I have to change some *.c file. |
| 20:47:09 | jhMikeS | unrecognized option -iquote |
| 20:47:35 | webguest98 | eq = e.g. |
| 20:47:59 | webguest98 | without 'bind' |
| 20:48:04 | krazykit | webguest98, sorry, i'm not really familiar with that code. |
| 20:48:49 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: So which native gcc does that image come with? |
| 20:48:57 | webguest98 | ok. but thanks you |
| 20:49:14 | jhMikeS | 3.3.5 |
| 20:49:50 | * | linuxstb sighs... |
| 20:50:31 | preglow | jhMikeS: go windows? :> |
| 20:50:43 | preglow | ouch, old image? |
| 20:50:53 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: OK, just try removing the -iquote option completely in the Makefile |
| 20:50:55 | jhMikeS | last one on the Wiki |
| 20:51:29 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I don't think that was necessary anyway - it builds fine for me without it. |
| 20:51:31 | rasher | Gah, I'm getting .talk.wav.talk files... That's not what I wanted |
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| 20:52:57 | webguest98 | PaulPosition: did you understand what my problem is? any advice? |
| 20:53:10 | jhMikeS | cc: ../../apps/codecs/libspeex: linker input file unused because linking not done |
| 20:53:14 | jhMikeS | bunches of those |
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| 20:54:15 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Hmm... Can you do "make clean" and then "make &> log" and upload the log file somewherE? |
| 20:55:17 | preglow | i got one of those with mingw too |
| 20:55:37 | ToHellWithGA | hey yall. i have the most recent 30GB black ipod video. rockbox runs great but when i plug in to usb without putting the device in the "hold" position it neither charges nor syncs. am i doing something wrong? |
| 20:55:56 | ToHellWithGA | s/sync/mount/ |
| 20:55:57 | rasher | preglow: would it be okay if I committed .talk file generation before your commit? |
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| 20:56:04 | preglow | rasher: 100% |
| 20:56:09 | preglow | rasher: i in fact welcome it |
| 20:56:16 | PaulPosition | webguest98 - I "kind of" understand, but I'm not familiar with rockbox source.. I guess you'd have to browse the files #included for the call you're looking for.. dunno, really. I'm no programmer, I just have a basic understanding. |
| 20:56:42 | rasher | I think I have it working, but I bet there'll be bugs. Those can be sorted out in time I guess |
| 20:56:48 | preglow | sure |
| 20:56:54 | preglow | i'm concocting a small mail to the users list now |
| 20:57:14 | PaulPosition | webguest98 - Maybe start with browsing the various 'menu' files looking for what happens when you insert from context menu and see if you can call it right away from a button? I'm lost, really. :p |
| 20:58:08 | jhMikeS | http://rafb.net/p/EnfRUv72.html |
| 20:59:34 | * | linuxstb just compiled rbspeexenc on Mac OS X - no warnings, worked perfectly... |
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| 21:01:29 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Did you remove the $(SPEEXSRC) after -iquote when you removed -iquote? |
| 21:02:18 | rasher | preglow: there we go |
| 21:03:01 | preglow | rasher: excellent, delete the bash ones while you're at it? |
| 21:06:15 | jhMikeS | uh, nope |
| 21:06:42 | jhMikeS | but I you saying I should, or you thought I did? |
| 21:06:48 | jhMikeS | s/I/are/ |
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| 21:07:25 | rasher | preglow: done |
| 21:07:29 | linuxstb | I'm saying you should - it was a parameter to the iquote option... Or just do svn update - I've committed the change to SVN. |
| 21:07:38 | jhMikeS | ah, np |
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| 21:08:59 | preglow | jhMikeS: ok, some testing on me now, and i'm good to go |
| 21:09:08 | jhMikeS | ok, now I've got one |
| 21:09:34 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: rbspeexenc compiled for you? |
| 21:10:00 | jhMikeS | yes...a bit verbosely :) |
| 21:10:44 | preglow | argh! |
| 21:10:46 | linuxstb | There are too many source files there... But I guess we could shut it up. |
| 21:10:46 | preglow | diff still pukes on memswap |
| 21:10:58 | preglow | claims it detects a reversed patch |
| 21:11:19 | jhMikeS | that's weird |
| 21:12:03 | preglow | it's just a plain svn diff? |
| 21:12:40 | jhMikeS | yeah, should be. I don't think I changed the file then did 'svn rm' or anything...it would've complained about local changes. |
| 21:12:50 | preglow | if i tell it to apply it nonetheless, it fails on the entire hunk |
| 21:13:22 | jhMikeS | blah, just pull those last hunk out then |
| 21:14:00 | amiconn | ping (Bagder_, Zagor) |
| 21:14:17 | Zagor | pong |
| 21:14:35 | jhMikeS | frankly it doesn't matter, the files won't be compiled |
| 21:14:42 | amiconn | Zagor: bygg.haxx.se seems to have problems |
| 21:14:55 | * | amiconn thinks it's cursed |
| 21:14:57 | preglow | jhMikeS: yeah, know |
| 21:15:03 | preglow | jhMikeS: but ok, we're going for this now soon? |
| 21:15:09 | preglow | i'll fire a mail if so |
| 21:15:30 | * | linuxstb rehearses his speex-voice-codec dance |
| 21:15:40 | jhMikeS | synchronize watches and begin at T- what? |
| 21:16:04 | Zagor | amiconn: looking |
| 21:16:12 | linuxstb | Don't we need Bagder to perform some build-server magic? |
| 21:16:17 | * | amiconn would like to do the lcd speedup dance, but cannot do so without a G4/mini G1 tester :( |
| 21:16:29 | * | jhMikeS is poised over the launch key |
| 21:16:29 | amiconn | tierra: around now? |
| 21:16:41 | tierra | yeah, but I'm at work |
| 21:16:46 | rasher | linuxstb: depends whether rbspeexenc will compile automatically |
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| 21:16:58 | rasher | I'm still a bit unclear on whether or not that happens |
| 21:17:16 | linuxstb | rasher: It should do. At least, that's what I think preglow setup. |
| 21:17:26 | rasher | Then there should be no changes needed |
| 21:17:40 | jhMikeS | was that committed? I thought the configure addition wasn't |
| 21:17:59 | linuxstb | Ah probably not yet... |
| 21:18:05 | preglow | linuxstb: i was wrong, it turns out |
| 21:18:15 | tierra | amiconn: while I have a lot of experience with programming (mostly C++), I am just a Rockbox user, I've never touched the source, just so you're aware... if the build system isn't easy to use, I'm less likely to help with testing past the daily builds on the site |
| 21:18:39 | amiconn | tierra: Ohkay, I'll wait if nobody else jumps in before |
| 21:18:46 | tierra | alright |
| 21:19:05 | amiconn | I can also provide test builds |
| 21:19:45 | tierra | that would probably be helpful, but if it is just a simple autoconf and make, then that won't be a problem |
| 21:19:50 | preglow | linuxstb: i added rbspeexenc to all the swcodec toolsets in configure, that should do it, non? |
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| 21:20:03 | preglow | tierra: you'll need new compilers |
| 21:20:15 | linuxstb | preglow: I don't think that's the right place - it's only needed for voice files... |
| 21:20:31 | preglow | linuxstb: configure allows you to make voice files |
| 21:20:34 | PaulPosition | Hmm.. Is it normal that I'd get only +20db or 0db Gain in recording screen of H10 ? (also, automatic gain isn't implemented for that target?) |
| 21:20:50 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, but we don't want to build rbspeexenc when doing a normal build |
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| 21:21:03 | linuxstb | (only when doing a "make voice") |
| 21:21:07 | jhMikeS | PaulPosition: That's all the WM8731 provides |
| 21:21:16 | ToHellWithGA | do yall have any thoughts on why i can't connect or charge via USB when running rockbox but can when my default apple firmware boots? |
| 21:21:30 | amiconn | preglow: rbspeexenc compiles as-is on cygwin, but is probably not an independent win32 executable (i.e. requires cygwin1.dll) |
| 21:21:37 | rasher | ToHellWithGA: Rockbox doesn't support USB on the ipod |
| 21:21:40 | PaulPosition | jhmikes - Ah, well good to know. I'm a bit surprised but, heh! :p thanks. |
| 21:21:42 | preglow | linuxstb: then where to put it :/ |
| 21:21:45 | amiconn | Will test, and adjust if I can figure it out |
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| 21:21:57 | tierra | amiconn: I'm on Gentoo at home btw |
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| 21:21:59 | ToHellWithGA | rasher: horseshit |
| 21:22:03 | jhMikeS | PaulPosition: The gains are the same as on x5...so not really unusual |
| 21:22:04 | ToHellWithGA | it's worked fine before |
| 21:22:17 | rasher | ToHellWithGA: Then you must have magic hardware. |
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| 21:22:39 | tierra | though I have a Windows install with Cygwin on it as well |
| 21:22:42 | amiconn | preglow: It needs cygwin1.dll atm |
| 21:22:48 | ToHellWithGA | it charged by usb and allowed the device to be mounted if i didn't hold a button when it was plugged in |
| 21:22:53 | ToHellWithGA | now it doesn't |
| 21:23:06 | preglow | amiconn: no need for that, it should work just dandy without |
| 21:23:12 | Zagor | amiconn: same problem as before, tolls/ucl/src/libucl.a was old/wrong version. I only cleaned out old .o files, and forgot the .a file. |
| 21:23:17 | rasher | preglow: line 1975 (but only when building voice)? |
| 21:23:23 | PaulPosition | jhmikes - Oh I believe you. Not saying it's surprising, just that *I* am surprised. ;) |
| 21:23:41 | amiconn | preglow: Well, atm it doesn't. Needs special parameter for gcc to avoid this |
| 21:23:47 | * | preglow goes for his first speex voice test spin |
| 21:23:58 | rasher | ToHellWithGA: so you mean that it doesn't reboot when you plug usb? |
| 21:24:02 | ToHellWithGA | so what you're saying is the image of a usb cable that was on the screen of my ipod while rockbox was connected via usb was some figment of my imagination |
| 21:24:05 | linuxstb | preglow: I'll look at it... |
| 21:24:18 | ToHellWithGA | it doesn't mount when i plug usb and i'm in the rockbox firmware |
| 21:24:32 | ToHellWithGA | it mounts when i plug usb and i'm in the apple firmware |
| 21:24:40 | ToHellWithGA | it used to not care :/ |
| 21:24:47 | amiconn | preglow: In fact all tools built by tools/Makefile are like that - but that means the .exe will work for .voice building within cygwin |
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| 21:25:19 | amiconn | ...because wavtrim and voicefont are built the same way, i.e. require cygwin1.dll - and they work too |
| 21:25:48 | preglow | well, that wasn't exactly a success |
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| 21:26:18 | preglow | it says absolutely nothing |
| 21:26:32 | jhMikeS | preglow: what's wrong? do the files have version 4.00? |
| 21:26:34 | rasher | Time to fire up a logf build.. |
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| 21:26:47 | preglow | jhMikeS: i have no idea? |
| 21:26:54 | preglow | if that is something i need to fix: no |
| 21:27:05 | jhMikeS | change the first 32-bit word to 00 00 01 90 |
| 21:27:11 | jhMikeS | in the voice file |
| 21:27:39 | preglow | yes, but i just generated it, do i need to change voicefont.c or something to make it do so all the time? |
| 21:27:48 | preglow | yeah, lookie here |
| 21:27:52 | preglow | it's 3.0 |
| 21:28:00 | amiconn | Hmm |
| 21:28:02 | jhMikeS | the patch should have the update |
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| 21:28:52 | jhMikeS | hmmm...how'd that not get included? |
| 21:29:20 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you have an idea what would be the best way to introduce another CFLAGS flag for some tools on cygwin? |
| 21:30:01 | jhMikeS | heh. when I reverted the tools directory I didn't change that back to 400 :p |
| 21:30:29 | preglow | still no dice |
| 21:30:51 | preglow | the first 32 bit word is 00 00 01 2c |
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| 21:31:01 | jhMikeS | make it 190 then |
| 21:31:11 | jhMikeS | you mean after voicefont? |
| 21:31:17 | preglow | yeah, but why didn't my update work |
| 21:31:29 | preglow | value = SWAP4(400); / |
| 21:31:32 | preglow | shouldn't that work? |
| 21:31:37 | jhMikeS | afaik |
| 21:32:02 | jhMikeS | says if you alter talk, then sync it with voicefont.c |
| 21:32:46 | preglow | bah |
| 21:32:49 | ryanakca | linuxstb: ok, so, format /dev/sdf2... and then reinstall rockbox? Will that mess up the apple firmware? |
| 21:32:50 | preglow | i thought make voice overwrote |
| 21:32:51 | preglow | but no |
| 21:32:52 | preglow | it doesn't |
| 21:33:27 | rasher | huh!? |
| 21:33:36 | ToHellWithGA | rasher: could it be an issue of using usb rather than usb2 or vice-versa? |
| 21:33:40 | preglow | hint: roloing rombox.iriver doesn't work |
| 21:34:08 | preglow | jhMikeS: \o/ |
| 21:34:13 | rasher | ToHellWithGA: Quite unlikely. I'm probably not much help in your issue, as I know next to nothing about the ipods. |
| 21:34:21 | preglow | this bloody rules |
| 21:34:23 | preglow | sounds really nice |
| 21:34:24 | jhMikeS | aha |
| 21:34:31 | rasher | Now to make rbspeexenc build automatically on make voice... |
| 21:34:55 | rasher | Can't you simply add it to $toolset in configure? |
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| 21:36:14 | preglow | someonehaha |
| 21:36:17 | preglow | lucky onj |
| 21:36:24 | preglow | he'll have to recreate those files |
| 21:36:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: Adding -mno-cygwin to both compilation and linking in rbspeex/Makefile works. (1) Is there a reason why linking doesn't use CFLAGS? (2) What woul dbe the best way to add this for cygwin only? |
| 21:37:03 | preglow | but ok, now i need to test .talk file generation |
| 21:37:11 | | Part webguest98 |
| 21:37:16 | amiconn | preglow: 'make voice' creates a new file with a numeric modifier |
| 21:37:33 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, i noticed :) |
| 21:37:37 | rasher | preglow: if [ "$swcodec" = "yes" ]; then toolset="${toolset} rbspeexenc"; fi |
| 21:37:44 | amiconn | It has always been that way... |
| 21:37:47 | linuxstb | rasher: I'm looking at the Makefile for voice to build rbspeexenc - I want to avoid building it for normal builds. |
| 21:38:03 | rasher | linuxstb: that line should do it, I believe |
| 21:38:16 | rasher | eh, inside some voice-related block |
| 21:38:17 | linuxstb | rasher: Won't that always build it? |
| 21:38:21 | amiconn | linuxstb: We don't do this for the other tools, e.g. voicefont, wavtrim |
| 21:38:39 | rasher | linuxstb: depends where you place it :) |
| 21:38:39 | preglow | amiconn: well, sure, but i have never before made a voice file |
| 21:39:03 | linuxstb | amiconn: Any reason why not? I would want them to be a dependency of voice:, and nothing else. |
| 21:39:09 | amiconn | The tools are only built once unless they're updated, so I wouldn't care much |
| 21:39:32 | preglow | rasher: so, the way to make .talk files is by direct invocation of voice.pl ? |
| 21:39:39 | rasher | linuxstb: just do it in line 305 |
| 21:39:39 | amiconn | 'make zip' being a shell-in-perl script is way more annoying.... |
| 21:39:54 | Llorean | Speaking of voices, do we have a plan to provide official voices in different synthesizers, or do we want to pick one and go with it? |
| 21:39:59 | rasher | preglow: that was the way with gentalkclips.sh as well |
| 21:40:21 | rasher | linuxstb: just after toolset="${toolset} voicefont wavtrim" |
| 21:40:26 | amiconn | Llorean: Different languages would be even more important than different synthesizers imho |
| 21:40:34 | preglow | rasher: "voice.pl -C -e=rbspeexenc -s=espeak /media/myplayer" or something? |
| 21:40:48 | Llorean | amiconn: Different languages would be very nice. |
| 21:40:49 | rasher | preglow: I believe you need to pass -E and -S as well (even if empty) |
| 21:40:55 | rasher | Guess it could be more flexible about that |
| 21:41:15 | rasher | preglow: But otherwise, yes |
| 21:41:35 | preglow | seems to work |
| 21:41:39 | amiconn | hrrrm :/ |
| 21:42:02 | Llorean | amiconn: But our current voice files sound like crap, even in English, and I was wondering if we wanted to try to pick a good synth, or just let people pick from a selection of bags of shit, or what. |
| 21:42:19 | rasher | Llorean: subjective.. |
| 21:42:24 | preglow | ouch, core dumo |
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| 21:42:39 | preglow | ouch!ouch!ouch! |
| 21:42:49 | preglow | it dumped core all over my laĂp here |
| 21:42:50 | Llorean | rasher: I don't think anyone _really_ thinks Espeak, Festival or Flite sound "good" |
| 21:43:02 | Llorean | It's generally a selection of least bad. |
| 21:43:02 | rasher | Llorean: do we have any other options? |
| 21:43:31 | Llorean | I don't know. |
| 21:43:54 | Llorean | We have espeak+mbrola obviously. But there are also windows voices, if we wanted to do a daily voice build and could get some sort of volunteer. |
| 21:45:24 | preglow | rasher: what's it supposed to create, really? |
| 21:45:28 | preglow | i didn't get this |
| 21:45:36 | preglow | it made a ton of filename.ext.talk before coredumping |
| 21:45:38 | Zagor | umm, can I use UNCACHED_ADDR for iram addresses? |
| 21:45:51 | rasher | preglow: the .talk files are expected. The core dump is not. |
| 21:45:52 | Zagor | (I know I don't have to, but will it work?) |
| 21:45:56 | preglow | but all of them just say "talk mp3 clip" |
| 21:46:06 | amiconn | Llorean: Afaik the only free (beer) voices are the (english) microsoft voices, plus some really old L&H voices |
| 21:46:06 | jhMikeS | Zagor: that won't work |
| 21:46:06 | rasher | That's what they speak? |
| 21:46:09 | preglow | yes |
| 21:46:22 | Zagor | jhMikeS: ok, thanks |
| 21:46:37 | rasher | preglow: hahaha, well, I'll have a look at that. Not sure what to do about the core dump - I doubt it's my fault, to be honest |
| 21:47:00 | amiconn | The latter sound like crap, but there are voices for english, french, german and spanish iirc |
| 21:47:36 | Llorean | amiconn: We don't necessarily need free (beer) voices. We can also look for non-free voices that absolutely clearly allow redistribution, and see about getting donations to purchase one for whoever the voice builder ends up being. |
| 21:48:02 | amiconn | Is the OSTYPE env var available anywhere? |
| 21:48:24 | * | pondlife likes the old L&H voices best... |
| 21:48:41 | amiconn | really? |
| 21:48:50 | linuxstb | rasher: This is what I had in mind for tools/configure - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/tools-voiceconfig.diff - it only builds the voice-related tools when doing "make voice" |
| 21:49:03 | pondlife | Yes, clearer than any MS voice . |
| 21:49:21 | preglow | rasher: actually, it looked like _sh_ did the core dumping |
| 21:49:42 | amiconn | The L&H voices are so incredibly slow they are unbearable, imho |
| 21:49:45 | rasher | linuxstb: I don't see why you added voicetoolset? |
| 21:49:58 | amiconn | And they're sapi4, so building a voice file takes ages |
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| 21:50:14 | rasher | linuxstb: toolset only includes wavtrim and voicefont when building voices.. Why not simply add rbspeexenc if building voices AND swcodec is set? |
| 21:50:19 | linuxstb | rasher: Because voice tools are independent of the normal build tools. |
| 21:50:26 | pondlife | amiconn: I have an L&H Michael which is SAPI5 |
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| 21:50:41 | amiconn | There seem to be sapi5 versions as optional components for the microsoft reader, but I couldn't get those to work |
| 21:50:45 | ttuttle | Hey, how can I encode video for the Sansa e200 running rockbox? |
| 21:50:50 | pondlife | Yep, that's the one |
| 21:50:51 | linuxstb | rasher: The principle elsewhere in tools/configure is to only build the tools required for that build - my patch extends that principle to voice. |
| 21:50:57 | Llorean | ttuttle: See the PluginMpegplayer wiki page. |
| 21:51:00 | pondlife | Much better than the SAPI4 version |
| 21:51:13 | ttuttle | Llorean: I did. It tells me what format but not how. |
| 21:51:35 | Llorean | ttuttle: Odd, because it not only mentions how but provides links to at least 2 or 3 programs you can use... |
| 21:51:47 | preglow | jhMikeS: what happens if we encounter old .talk clips now? |
| 21:51:59 | jhMikeS | silence |
| 21:52:10 | amiconn | linuxstb: Could you check whether $OSTYPE exists on macos? |
| 21:52:12 | ttuttle | Llorean: Oh. I'm sorry, I didn't see the part at the bottom. |
| 21:52:16 | linuxstb | amiconn: To answer your earlier questions - 1) No reason for not including CFLAGS - it works fine for me if you add it to the linking step; 2) Can't you just do the same check for cygwin that you did for ipodpatcher, and add -mno-cygwin to CFLAGS? |
| 21:52:18 | ttuttle | Llorean: That's actually a wonderful wiki page. |
| 21:52:39 | Llorean | ttuttle: I personally recommend WinFF, as long as you use version .29 |
| 21:52:44 | rasher | linuxstb: I suppose |
| 21:52:51 | preglow | jhMikeS: you need to check out all the other stuff as well, .talk clips and dir spelling works funny here |
| 21:52:52 | ttuttle | Llorean: Linux here. |
| 21:52:56 | preglow | jhMikeS: filename spelling doesn't work at all |
| 21:53:03 | * | amiconn checks |
| 21:53:03 | Llorean | ttuttle: WinFF is actually a Windows or Linux front end for ffmpeg. |
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| 21:53:18 | ttuttle | Llorean: Oh. That's a strange name for a program that works on Linux. |
| 21:53:22 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, it exists and for me is "darwin8.0" |
| 21:53:26 | Llorean | It was originally a Windows program, I guess. |
| 21:53:27 | preglow | jhMikeS: ah, no, it works if i disable .talk clips |
| 21:53:29 | ttuttle | Llorean: Ah. |
| 21:53:31 | amiconn | ah |
| 21:53:40 | jhMikeS | preglow: it simply plays what's asked of it. it does spell the keyboard and the info screens ok. |
| 21:53:48 | amiconn | Maybe checking $OSTYPE would be better (in general) than spawning uname? |
| 21:53:49 | Llorean | Either way, you do encounter problems with too-new ffmpegs on Linux. I keep planning to update the presets for .31 of WinFF but haven't done it yet. |
| 21:53:57 | ttuttle | By the way, RockBox is awesome. |
| 21:54:07 | amiconn | On linux it says 'linux-gnu', on cygwin just 'cygwin' |
| 21:54:09 | ttuttle | Have you received the influx of Woot customers who just got their players? |
| 21:54:11 | preglow | ahh |
| 21:54:13 | preglow | my first hang :P |
| 21:54:23 | ttuttle | preglow: It's fun. Hold down power forever and it will reboot. |
| 21:54:28 | ttuttle | preglow: (Or at least power off.) |
| 21:54:42 | amiconn | Might be bash-only... |
| 21:54:52 | preglow | ttuttle: nah, needed the paper-clip |
| 21:54:52 | ttuttle | Llorean: Hey, can ffmpeg run on two CPU's? Or at least split video and audio across CPU's? I'm dual core. |
| 21:54:55 | ttuttle | preglow: Ah. |
| 21:55:01 | preglow | and it's my first voice hang, i've been hanging steadily for years now :P |
| 21:55:01 | amiconn | Anyone who uses dash (ubuntu users)? |
| 21:55:05 | preglow | amiconn: yes... |
| 21:55:20 | * | BigBambi sticks up the ubuntu hand (does that mean I use dash :)) |
| 21:55:20 | jhMikeS | preglow: hang doing what? |
| 21:55:26 | preglow | jhMikeS: browsing menus |
| 21:55:34 | amiconn | preglow: 'echo $OSTYPE' ? |
| 21:55:40 | Llorean | ttuttle: Varies from codec to codec, unfortunately. As opposed to splitting the video/audio decoding, it'll attempt to encode one or the other using two threads, but depends on the codec supporting it |
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| 21:55:43 | Shoot | Hey |
| 21:55:47 | preglow | thomj@pocketsandwich:~$ 'echo $OSTYPE' |
| 21:55:47 | preglow | bash: echo $OSTYPE: command not found |
| 21:55:48 | ttuttle | Llorean: okay |
| 21:55:49 | Shoot | Just wondering |
| 21:55:51 | Llorean | Afaik, mpeg2 support and mp3 support in ffmpeg aren't multithreaded |
| 21:55:54 | ttuttle | Llorean: what about the stock encoding format they suggest? |
| 21:55:56 | ttuttle | Llorean: ok |
| 21:55:58 | preglow | amiconn: wait a sec... |
| 21:56:05 | Shoot | Can anyone help me with my bricked Sansa? |
| 21:56:07 | preglow | amiconn: dash says the same |
| 21:56:07 | jhMikeS | preglow: odd...it really shouldn't be possible from the thread's pov. |
| 21:56:10 | BigBambi | amiconn: does ubuntu use dash by default? |
| 21:56:13 | Shoot | I'll give you all the details |
| 21:56:16 | Shoot | Can anyone help me with my bricked Sansa? |
| 21:56:26 | ttuttle | Shoot: Don't spam please. |
| 21:56:30 | Shoot | 1. Recovery Mode and Manufacturing Mode are not functioning |
| 21:56:31 | Llorean | ttuttle: If you look at the presets.xml for WinFF, and find the right entry in it, it's almost exactly what command line parameters to use with ffmpeg from the terminal |
| 21:56:33 | Shoot | Sorry |
| 21:56:34 | preglow | amiconn: without the quotes it just gives me blank space |
| 21:56:40 | BigBambi | If so: alex@MaximusLappy:~$ echo $OSTYPE |
| 21:56:40 | BigBambi | linux-gnu |
| 21:56:48 | preglow | jhMikeS: perhaps it's not voice's fault |
| 21:56:50 | Llorean | ttuttle: The big difference in newer ffmpegs is that they renamed some of the codecs between versions |
| 21:56:55 | jhMikeS | preglow: which player? |
| 21:56:57 | rasher | preglow: odd.. talk clips seem to work here |
| 21:56:59 | amiconn | Iirc someone here said it does (rasher?). I am running debian on my linux box |
| 21:57:09 | Shoot | 2. Is there any way to fix my Sansa? |
| 21:57:13 | ttuttle | Llorean: Ah. |
| 21:57:16 | Shoot | I'm downloading Ubunto now |
| 21:57:21 | BigBambi | amiconn: Silly question - how do I check? |
| 21:57:24 | Llorean | Shoot: How do you know Manufacturing mode isn't functioning? |
| 21:57:25 | Nico_P | BigBambi: echo $0 should tell you what shell you have |
| 21:57:34 | jhMikeS | rasher: I wonder if talk clips properly override directory spelling |
| 21:57:36 | preglow | jhMikeS: h120 |
| 21:57:38 | Shoot | Llorean: I tried Hold/Select/USB |
| 21:57:39 | BigBambi | Nico_P: That'll be bash then |
| 21:57:42 | Llorean | ttuttle: mp3 became lamemp3 or mp3lame or something like that, breaking front ends. |
| 21:57:43 | BigBambi | Cheers |
| 21:57:47 | ttuttle | Llorean: libmp3lame ;-) |
| 21:57:51 | Llorean | That's it. |
| 21:57:51 | Shoot | Llorean: It didn't work =\ |
| 21:57:54 | ttuttle | Llorean: Yeah, I tried mp3 first and it didn't work. |
| 21:57:56 | scorche|w | shoot: and what happened? |
| 21:57:58 | Llorean | Shoot: "Didn't work" is vague. What happened? |
| 21:58:00 | jhMikeS | preglow: couldn't manage that all day myself...really odd |
| 21:58:06 | rasher | jhMikeS: I don't think that's my area |
| 21:58:16 | Shoot | Llorean: I placed an OF.bin file in 16MB-format |
| 21:58:20 | ttuttle | Llorean: ffmpeg is surprisingly easy to use. mencoder is far more complicated. |
| 21:58:21 | Nico_P | BigBambi: but on my system, /bin/sh links to dash |
| 21:58:25 | Shoot | Llorean: And now it won't turn on |
| 21:58:27 | BigBambi | hmmm |
| 21:58:27 | jhMikeS | rasher: preglow said it acted odd having them both enabled at the same time |
| 21:58:27 | Llorean | ttuttle: In fact, a find/replace on mp3 to libmp3lame should actually fix the existing presets.xml to work with newer ffmpegs, assuming unlike ubuntu yours *has* MP3 support |
| 21:58:31 | * | BigBambi checks |
| 21:58:38 | Shoot | Llorean: I think I actually damaged a .Rom file |
| 21:58:40 | Llorean | Shoot: Manufacturing mode doesn't have a 16MB-format partition. |
| 21:58:53 | ttuttle | Llorean: Yeah, mine has MP3 support. And it's Debian. Which means Ubuntu purposefully broke it. |
| 21:58:53 | Llorean | Shoot: Again, what does "Doesn't work" mean when you try manufacturing mode? |
| 21:59:06 | rasher | preglow: I suspect massive weirdness. Both directories and filename talk clips contain whatever they should, here |
| 21:59:08 | Shoot | Llorean: Manufacturing mode is hold + select + USB? |
| 21:59:13 | Llorean | ttuttle: I'm Ubuntu, but I complie ffmpeg from svn anyway. :) |
| 21:59:28 | rasher | preglow: I've not tested it on target, but playing the .talk files with mplayer yields expected results |
| 21:59:42 | rasher | jhMikeS: well, then I blame rockbox speech code, which I have never touched |
| 21:59:47 | Llorean | Shoot: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 21:59:49 | Llorean | Yes |
| 21:59:55 | Shoot | Llorean: I tried that =\ |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:03 | Llorean | Shoot: Please, JUST answer my question: WHAT HAPPENS. |
| 22:00:03 | scorche|w | and what happened? |
| 22:00:05 | Shoot | Llorean: Now the wheel light won't even turn on |
| 22:00:16 | Shoot | Llorean: Nothing, if I turn on manu, wheel light doesn't work |
| 22:00:20 | Shoot | Llorean: Display as well |
| 22:00:29 | Llorean | Display's not supposed to come on. |
| 22:00:34 | Shoot | Llorean: Yeah |
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| 22:01:00 | Shoot | Llorean: You need any other details? |
| 22:01:16 | amiconn | Hmm, OSTYPE seems to cause trouble sometimes. Looks like I should go for the old uname method |
| 22:01:25 | Llorean | If your wheel light doesn't come on in that situation, you're basically out of luck. |
| 22:01:29 | Shoot | Llorean: I've tried the search function on forums; I found a neat thread |
| 22:01:33 | Shoot | Llorean: FUCK |
| 22:01:37 | Llorean | Please, watch your language. |
| 22:01:42 | Shoot | Llorean: Sorry |
| 22:01:54 | jhMikeS | are these "e200r" things sold as plain-vanilla really e200r or some other odd combo? |
| 22:02:02 | Llorean | And in the future, don't do stupid things like putting files other than those our instruction say in recovery partitions. It's never a good idea to experiment if you don't have a way to undo the damage. |
| 22:02:09 | preglow | rasher: you're probably doing the right thing here |
| 22:02:13 | preglow | rasher: the files vary in size |
| 22:02:17 | preglow | but all that is said is "talk mp3 clip" |
| 22:02:25 | preglow | perhaps there's some "voice file type" bug going on here? |
| 22:02:25 | Shoot | Llorean: Sansa's warranty is 1 year? |
| 22:02:57 | rasher | preglow: Hrm, I've no idea, but it sounds like it isn't my bug, and I really know very very little about the actual voice code |
| 22:03:07 | * | jhMikeS hasn't tried a rockbox install on his woot special yet |
| 22:03:11 | ttuttle | Llorean: Does the MPEG2 video player ever crash? |
| 22:03:18 | ttuttle | jhMikeS: you should. is it rhapsody? |
| 22:03:23 | scorche|w | jhMikeS: mine was a genuine R |
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| 22:03:35 | Llorean | jhMikeS: They seem to either be real e200Rs, or vanilla e200s with an e200R physical shell. |
| 22:03:39 | jhMikeS | it say "R" on the back and has Rhapsody fw |
| 22:03:45 | scorche|w | as was krazykit's |
| 22:03:51 | Llorean | ttuttle: In Rockbox? If it does, it's a bug... |
| 22:03:52 | ttuttle | Llorean: Mine doesn't say 250R, and isn't 250R. |
| 22:03:57 | ttuttle | Llorean: Yeah. I found a file. |
| 22:03:59 | scorche|w | well, if it has the rhapsody firmware, it is an R |
| 22:04:00 | amiconn | linuxstb: Thanks, it works :) |
| 22:04:02 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, test with .talk files |
| 22:04:03 | ttuttle | Llorean: Unfortunately I can't send it to you to test. |
| 22:04:18 | ttuttle | Llorean: (Copyright 'n' stuff...) |
| 22:04:22 | * | amiconn forgot that he added such a check not too long ago :\ |
| 22:04:29 | BigBambi | Nico_P: /bin/sh is indeed a link to dash, but gnome-terminal (which is what applications -> accessories -> terminal points to) is bash |
| 22:04:32 | Llorean | ttuttle: Well, most files that will crash it will do so because the file has stream errors, I hear. |
| 22:04:37 | ttuttle | Llorean: hmm |
| 22:04:39 | preglow | are the different options supposed to be cascaded in some way, so that if i have "voice file .talk clips" and "voice filenames" enabled, both are said? |
| 22:04:41 | Llorean | It's more that our player is less error-resistant than others. |
| 22:04:48 | jhMikeS | preglow: you locked with .talk files? I don't want to destroy my debian install at this time. I'll just say things into a mic and be happy. |
| 22:05:04 | ttuttle | Llorean: Plays fine on my PC. |
| 22:05:18 | Llorean | ttuttle: That may just mean that your PC based player is better about ignoring errors. |
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| 22:05:23 | Shoot | Hmm, does anyone know how long Sansa e200's warranty lasts? |
| 22:05:30 | ttuttle | Llorean: It's mplayer. It usually prints an error. |
| 22:05:33 | scorche|w | Shoot: ask them...not us |
| 22:05:35 | * | Nico_P is off |
| 22:05:37 | ttuttle | Shoot: Check the Woot blog, it usually says. Or email Woot. |
| 22:05:40 | Llorean | ttuttle: Did you encode the file yourself? |
| 22:05:44 | ttuttle | Llorean: Yeah, using ffmpeg. |
| 22:05:46 | Shoot | Woot blog? |
| 22:05:48 | Shoot | I'll google it |
| 22:05:51 | Llorean | ttuttle: ps or ts? |
| 22:05:52 | preglow | jhMikeS: i don't the talk files had anything to do with that |
| 22:05:53 | ttuttle | Shoot: woot.com, click on "blog". |
| 22:05:56 | ttuttle | Llorean: Huh? |
| 22:06:00 | * | BigBambi points at the topic |
| 22:06:01 | preglow | jhMikeS: but .talĂk files don't seem o work here anyway |
| 22:06:16 | Llorean | ttuttle: program stream or... transfer I think stream? |
| 22:06:24 | Shoot | Also : Does anyone here know if e200R > e200? |
| 22:06:25 | ttuttle | Llorean: I don't know what either of those mean. |
| 22:06:35 | ttuttle | Shoot: e200r < e200, unless you want Rhapsody. |
| 22:06:50 | scorche|w | it doesnt really matter, as you change change them... |
| 22:07:00 | scorche|w | can change |
| 22:07:11 | Shoot | Rhapsody? |
| 22:07:13 | Llorean | ttuttle: Basically, did you use the exact same command line parameters I used in the presets.xml on the wiki, or did you add or change any? |
| 22:07:20 | ttuttle | Llorean: I think the same. Lemme try again. |
| 22:07:52 | Llorean | ttuttle: If they are the same, file a proper bug report, and try to generate a short clip from content you feel comfortable sharing that reproduces the crash. |
| 22:08:02 | preglow | amiconn: how will "make voice" work on cygwin? |
| 22:08:06 | jhMikeS | preglow: maybe the .talk code was trying to be crafty to control voice but not voice just instantly plays whatever is fed to it. |
| 22:08:16 | amiconn | preglow: What do you mean? |
| 22:08:23 | preglow | amiconn: will it work fine as it is? |
| 22:08:37 | Shoot | What is Rhapsody? |
| 22:08:42 | amiconn | The svn version (w/o rbspeexenc) is working fine |
| 22:08:57 | amiconn | I'm using it for all my voice files (using at&t voices) |
| 22:09:13 | scorche|w | Shoot: ask google... |
| 22:09:37 | preglow | amiconn: well, i'm wondering if it'll work fine with it |
| 22:09:47 | ttuttle | Llorean: Argh. Suddenly it's not accepting -acodec libmp3lame |
| 22:10:01 | Llorean | amiconn: Assuming the changes were wrapped in the proper #if or #ifdef can you think of any problems the "Nano IDE0 fix" might cause, assuming it seems to work for testers over the next couple days? |
| 22:10:01 | * | Llorean would rather get it in asap if possible. |
| 22:10:23 | amiconn | If it works on all 'reachab |
| 22:10:42 | amiconn | le' nanos, both affected ones and unaffected ones, I think it should go in |
| 22:10:50 | Shoot | Erm o___o how does the Sansa e200r connect with Rhapsody? USB? |
| 22:11:16 | Llorean | amiconn: It certainly works on my unaffected Nano fine. |
| 22:11:25 | amiconn | (#ifdef IPOD_NANO, and with a comment saying this is somewhat hackish) |
| 22:11:38 | scorche|w | Shoot: please stay on topic...that has nothing to do with rockbox |
| 22:11:47 | ttuttle | Shoot: Also o___o is not a word |
| 22:11:58 | scorche|w | >_> |
| 22:12:11 | amiconn | preglow: If added properly it should just work |
| 22:12:34 | ttuttle | Llorean: Okay, ffmpeg is saying "Unknown decoder 'libmp3lame'" if I use -acodec libmp3lame, and "Unknown encoder 'mp3'" if I use -acodec mp3. I'm confused. I got it to work before! |
| 22:12:40 | amiconn | The only difference is that on cygwin, the encoder (and also wavtrim) is spawned from the vbscript instead of the perl script |
| 22:12:47 | Llorean | ttuttle: Emoticons can be considered modern virtual punctuation useful in replacing the expressiveness in human body language, facial expression, and intonation for the purpose of online communication, assuming they aren't abused. :-P |
| 22:12:50 | amiconn | That saves the cygwin process creation overhead |
| 22:13:18 | Llorean | ttuttle: Honestly, no clue. :) Sorry. |
| 22:13:21 | ryanakca | linuxstb: hmmm... formatting fixed it... for now :) |
| 22:13:24 | ttuttle | Llorean: I know. I consider any text that matches \w+ in a regular expression to not be an emoticon ;-) |
| 22:13:55 | bEnN | l |
| 22:14:11 | ttuttle | Llorean: If I put -acodec libmp3lame at the end it works. Who knew? |
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| 22:14:56 | ttuttle | Ooh, I'm getting almost 300 FPS encoding. |
| 22:15:32 | Snake_ | Hey guys, quick question: Are there any USB Host applications for Rockbox that you know of? |
| 22:15:58 | BigBambi | Snake_: That would surely require us having a software USB stack? |
| 22:16:51 | Snake_ | BigBambi: no idea :P im trying to get my PSP to connect to it, and the guys in the PSP forums told me to find some host for the ipod in order to connect to it |
| 22:17:04 | BigBambi | Snake_: I ws implying we don't |
| 22:17:10 | BigBambi | *was |
| 22:17:12 | Snake_ | oh |
| 22:17:12 | BigBambi | yet |
| 22:17:13 | Snake_ | :( |
| 22:17:41 | Snake_ | BigBambi: would it be difficult to recomplie usbhostfs for it?? |
| 22:17:48 | BigBambi | For rockbox? |
| 22:17:58 | BigBambi | You do know rockbox is not based on linux right? |
| 22:18:17 | BigBambi | To compile anything for rockbox requires it to be ported to it |
| 22:18:19 | ttuttle | BigBambi: There seems to be a bit of a rumor. Someone else thought that. |
| 22:18:22 | Snake_ | Oh thats right |
| 22:18:24 | Snake_ | Hm |
| 22:18:40 | preglow | rasher: btw, i get some warnings on voice.pl now |
| 22:18:42 | BigBambi | ttuttle: Many people think that. Despite the rumours, they are wrong |
| 22:18:46 | ttuttle | BigBambi: I know. |
| 22:18:56 | ttuttle | BigBambi: It would have displayed a penguin when it booted if it were Linux :-b |
| 22:19:01 | BigBambi | ttuttle: And I know you know :) |
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| 22:19:09 | BigBambi | Indeed so |
| 22:19:10 | ttuttle | BigBambi: And I know you know I know... :stack overflow: |
| 22:19:13 | Snake_ | Well I knew it wasnt linux, but I forgot ;-) |
| 22:19:14 | BigBambi | hehe |
| 22:19:32 | * | ttuttle tries another MPEG2 file. |
| 22:19:39 | Snake_ | ive used both and rockbox is way better |
| 22:19:40 | Snake_ | imo |
| 22:19:44 | Snake_ | more usable, more purpose |
| 22:19:52 | ttuttle | Argh. |
| 22:19:54 | ttuttle | Still hanging. |
| 22:19:56 | * | BigBambi doesn't own an iPod |
| 22:20:42 | | Part Jeton |
| 22:20:48 | Llorean | ttuttle: With an SVN build from about 30 minutes ago, I can watch a video I encoded with ffmpeg r10481 just fine. =/ |
| 22:21:03 | rasher | preglow: about $V not being set? |
| 22:21:06 | ttuttle | Okay. Lemme build my own ffmpeg. |
| 22:21:16 | ttuttle | Llorean: Do you know the svn repos offhand? |
| 22:22:08 | ttuttle | Llorean: Found it. |
| 22:22:11 | Llorean | ttuttle: No, I found them somewhere on their site and promptly forgot |
| 22:22:11 | Llorean | Apparently I'm 100 revisions old on ffmpeg. Heh. |
| 22:23:35 | preglow | rasher: aye |
| 22:23:41 | ttuttle | Building... |
| 22:24:19 | rasher | preglow: I noticed that - should be harmless (but I'll fix) |
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| 22:25:29 | ttuttle | Llorean: Wow, this takes a while to build. |
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| 22:25:41 | ttuttle | Llorean: How hard is it to build Rockbox? |
| 22:25:51 | ttuttle | Llorean: Or should I just download it again? |
| 22:26:07 | Llorean | ttuttle: It's kinda off-topic here, though |
| 22:26:27 | * | BigBambi declares rockbox easy to build |
| 22:26:28 | Llorean | If you download from the "current build" page you'll have the most recent SVN revision of Rockbox. |
| 22:26:35 | Llorean | But it's darn easy to build yourself too. |
| 22:26:47 | amiconn | rasher: Hmm, looks like the .talk clip creation in voice.pl doesn't check file extensions at all |
| 22:26:53 | ttuttle | Llorean: Okay. |
| 22:27:00 | amiconn | It would even create .talk clips for .talk clips.... |
| 22:27:07 | rasher | amiconn: no |
| 22:27:09 | scorche|w | + |
| 22:27:11 | amiconn | VoiceBox only voices supported filetypes |
| 22:27:18 | ttuttle | Llorean: I think I didn't encode as mp3. |
| 22:27:23 | rasher | amiconn: it checks for =~ /\.talk$/ |
| 22:27:29 | preglow | rasher: found a bug |
| 22:27:37 | ttuttle | Llorean: It simply won't accept either acodec option. One is invalid for encoding, one is invalid for decoding (why is it decoding?) |
| 22:27:38 | rasher | amiconn: I noticed only supported filetypes are voiced, but why on earth is that? |
| 22:28:07 | ttuttle | Llorean: Will -acodec mp2 work? |
| 22:28:11 | amiconn | Why would you want an unsupported file with a .talk clip? |
| 22:28:31 | Llorean | ttuttle: It should. |
| 22:28:32 | rasher | amiconn: because you might be showing all filetypes in the browser? |
| 22:28:35 | ttuttle | Llorean: Okay. |
| 22:28:42 | Llorean | Don't forget the sample rate _must_ be 44100 unless things have changed. |
| 22:28:48 | amiconn | Then you can still have it numbered or spelt |
| 22:28:56 | rasher | .. but not voiced |
| 22:29:08 | Llorean | amiconn: I think the option for voicing all files should still be offered, if someone has the space and desire. |
| 22:29:33 | rasher | amiconn: then you might as well say the same for all files. Why offer .talk clips at all when you can just have it numbered or spelt? |
| 22:29:36 | ttuttle | Llorean: Hmm. |
| 22:29:40 | ttuttle | Llorean: Yeah, it is. |
| 22:29:59 | amiconn | rasher: In fact I don't use file .talk clips, only dir clips |
| 22:30:17 | ttuttle | Llorean: Hmm. I wish MP3 would work. |
| 22:30:25 | amiconn | File .talk clips are wasting too much space imho |
| 22:30:27 | rasher | amiconn: That's you, though. Not everyone. |
| 22:30:32 | amiconn | sure |
| 22:31:47 | ttuttle | Llorean: Could it be because my input file has MP3 audio as well? |
| 22:33:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: so, have you got some .talk stuff going? |
| 22:33:34 | Shoot | Guys, does removing the battery off my Sansa e200 help it recover from the bricking? |
| 22:33:45 | Shoot | Someone on the Sandisk help line told me to |
| 22:34:01 | preglow | all i can make it say is "talk mp3 clip" |
| 22:34:19 | rasher | preglow: and you're sure you're not selecting an actual talk clip? |
| 22:34:45 | Llorean | ttuttle: Never been a problem for me. |
| 22:34:45 | Llorean | ttuttle: What player are you encoding for? |
| 22:35:09 | ttuttle | Llorean: Sansa e250. |
| 22:35:13 | preglow | rasher: what do you mean by that? i'm hovering over a talk file when it does that, yeah,but why does it do that? |
| 22:35:33 | preglow | rasher: it doesn't explain to me what any of the other file types are, and i don't even have that feature enabled, not that it makes a difference |
| 22:35:53 | Llorean | ttuttle: -acodec libmp3lame -ab 128 -ar 44100 -vcodec mpeg2video -s 224x176 -b 320kb -strict -1 works for me, with -s adjusted if you're doing 16:9 |
| 22:36:17 | Llorean | For encoding, haven't tried it on the player. |
| 22:36:18 | rasher | preglow: well, talk files don't have talk clips generated for them - hovering over the corresponding "regular" file should voice the contents of that .talk file |
| 22:36:33 | preglow | doesn't |
| 22:36:38 | rasher | preglow: only supported (mp3, ogg, flac, etc) files get voiced though |
| 22:36:54 | ttuttle | Llorean: What version of ffmpeg? |
| 22:36:56 | preglow | it still shouldn't say "talk mp3 file" unless i have "voice file types" enabled, though |
| 22:37:04 | preglow | rasher: this reminds me, there probably is some language to fix now |
| 22:37:04 | ttuttle | Llorean: I'll rollback mine. |
| 22:37:35 | preglow | any good alternatives to ".talk mp3 clip" ? |
| 22:37:46 | rasher | s/mp3/voice/? |
| 22:38:04 | preglow | "talk voice clip" doesn't make much sense |
| 22:38:07 | preglow | why not just "voice clip" ? |
| 22:38:08 | Llorean | ttuttle: That's with SVN current ffmpeg. |
| 22:38:11 | ttuttle | Llorean: Hmm. |
| 22:38:16 | rasher | preglow: Why not indeed. |
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| 22:38:19 | ttuttle | Llorean: I ran that, and I got "Unknown decoder 'libmp3lame'". |
| 22:38:35 | ttuttle | Llorean: And "WARNING: The bitrate parameter is set too low. It takes bits/s as argument, not kbits/s" |
| 22:38:48 | mog | I have a question about the Gigabeat player |
| 22:38:55 | ttuttle | mog: Ask it. |
| 22:38:58 | BigBambi | mog: Just ask |
| 22:39:02 | mog | I see that rockbox is supported on the F series, but what about the S series? |
| 22:39:03 | preglow | rasher: as usual i'm not too clear on the context in voice files |
| 22:39:06 | BigBambi | Not yet |
| 22:39:07 | preglow | so i'll just delay changing it |
| 22:39:11 | jhMikeS | preglow: trying to do _something_ here |
| 22:39:17 | BigBambi | mog: Join in and make it happen |
| 22:39:26 | Llorean | Mine accepts kbits/s |
| 22:39:28 | jhMikeS | I don't even know how to use them so have to go read up anyway |
| 22:39:29 | mog | BigBambi: I'm thinking about it |
| 22:39:34 | BigBambi | Cool |
| 22:39:38 | toffe82 | mog: super |
| 22:39:41 | Llorean | ttuttle: Note that I did say 320kb for the bitrate, not just 320 |
| 22:39:49 | ttuttle | Llorean: I copied your line verbatim. |
| 22:39:49 | BigBambi | mog: You are very welcome |
| 22:39:52 | preglow | jhMikeS: ditto here |
| 22:40:03 | mog | BigBambi: but I got a lot going on, college stuff and the like, I'll be back around if I can, thanks for the support |
| 22:40:08 | Llorean | ttuttle: Odd, it works for me just fine. =/ You're best off asking ffmpeg guys at this point |
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| 22:40:54 | amiconn | Hrmm. I thought there already was an option in voiceBox, but there isn't |
| 22:41:01 | ttuttle | Llorean: I'm asking there. |
| 22:42:02 | amiconn | rasher: I'd just use '.talk clip' |
| 22:42:25 | preglow | amiconn: the . isn''t pronounced |
| 22:42:40 | amiconn | yeah, sure |
| 22:42:56 | preglow | so it should be "dot talk clip" or soemthing |
| 22:43:05 | amiconn | There's also a standard language string |
| 22:43:39 | amiconn | Imho the dot is redundant for voice - thats why there are both <dest> and <voice> in .lang files |
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| 22:46:24 | ttuttle | Llorean: I'm trying mencoder but it's *not even real-time*! |
| 22:46:43 | ttuttle | Llorean: It's saying 21 minutes to encode an 11 minute clip :-( |
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| 22:51:25 | Shoot | Llorean: Ok. I removed the battery and put it back in. |
| 22:51:32 | Shoot | Llorean: Now the mousewheel is working. |
| 22:54:33 | preglow | do we need songdb.pl anymore? |
| 22:55:26 | Bagder | preglow: iirc, it can still generate a db on host (for mp3 and ogg) |
| 22:55:39 | Shoot | Can anyone explain to me how to run e200tool? |
| 22:55:42 | Llorean | Don't we have an executable for that now, though? |
| 22:55:56 | Bagder | Llorean: yes, if that still builds... |
| 22:56:13 | Bagder | I'm just saying, I have no opinion |
| 22:56:20 | Bagder | I don't use the database |
| 22:56:54 | rasher | how do you build that tool anyway? (perhaps it should be part of the build table or something?) |
| 22:57:36 | Bagder | "make database" in tools/ |
| 22:57:54 | Bagder | and no, it doesn't build... |
| 22:58:34 | Llorean | =/ |
| 22:58:50 | Llorean | I like that tool better since it uses Rockbox's own database code, so as long as it's kept building it should always build a valid database, right? |
| 22:58:54 | Shoot | Llorean: What should I do from now? The mousewheel is working now. |
| 22:59:11 | Bagder | Llorean: yes, and I agree that it is better than the perl version in almost all ways |
| 22:59:25 | linuxstb | Llorean: I'm not even sure it ever worked completely... But it shouldn't need much massaging. |
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| 22:59:47 | Llorean | Shoot: Follow the instructions on the SansaE200Unbrick wiki page |
| 22:59:49 | rasher | Llorean: plus it uses the same metadata parsing, so it supports all files, and gives the same results |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:12 | linuxstb | And hopefully the same bugs... |
| 23:00:16 | preglow | Bagder: so it has been updated for tagcache? |
| 23:00:27 | rasher | preglow: yup |
| 23:00:30 | preglow | aights |
| 23:00:33 | Shoot | Llorean: I've tried; I'm at the step where I need to use e200 tool. I've downloaded Ubuntu and the Linux binary. Now what? |
| 23:00:45 | Llorean | rasher, linuxstb: Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing that code either incorporated into RBUtil or give it the ability to launch it if the executable is found. |
| 23:01:05 | Llorean | Shoot: Follow the instructions on the page... |
| 23:01:21 | rasher | having it inside rbutil (using Rockbox code) would be neat |
| 23:01:29 | Llorean | I'm honestly equally capable of reading a wiki page as you.. |
| 23:01:41 | preglow | jhMikeS: now? |
| 23:02:09 | linuxstb | Llorean: Are you sure about that Unbrick wiki page? It doesn't tell users to put their e200 into recovery mode (using the bootloader transferred via e200tool), and then having to copy a bootloader and mi4 file to the recovery partition... |
| 23:03:05 | jhMikeS | preglow: I have to get a way together to generate this stuff |
| 23:03:16 | jhMikeS | what exactly was going on? |
| 23:03:23 | preglow | jhMikeS: i can upĂload yu a ton of files, no worries |
| 23:03:34 | jhMikeS | sure |
| 23:03:36 | preglow | jhMikeS: btw, are talk files supposed to just be raw speex? no header or nothing? |
| 23:04:30 | jhMikeS | heck if I know. the thread takes raw speex and plays whatever the heck is sent to it. |
| 23:04:42 | Llorean | linuxstb: Hm, I thought that was the proper recovery page. Shoot, well now I have no clue what page I was thinking of. =/ |
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| 23:04:58 | linuxstb | Llorean: I couldn't find it either... |
| 23:05:14 | preglow | jhMikeS: that's the way the voice.pl script works, at least |
| 23:05:20 | Llorean | I swear there was a page that told the proper process for recovering a completely bricked Sansa, and I thought that was it |
| 23:05:36 | linuxstb | Llorean: But I think it would make sense for that Unbrick page to be improved - that's where we always send people. (I don't own a Sansa though...) |
| 23:05:40 | preglow | jhMikeS: anyway, then you can just rbspeexenc a couple of wavs and rename them to myfile.ext.talk |
| 23:06:06 | jhMikeS | tried that. I might see the problem...it calls mp3_info in talk_file |
| 23:06:16 | Llorean | linuxstb: I've never actually managed to brick my Sansa, but I bet there's a lot of stuff I could copy and paste from the old e200R install page or something |
| 23:06:20 | preglow | well ouch, then |
| 23:06:31 | preglow | make it stop that |
| 23:07:01 | Zagor | using iram instead of dram did not help bulk performance :-( |
| 23:08:05 | preglow | Zagor: :/ |
| 23:08:33 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:09:00 | rasher | Is someone working on updating voicebox? |
| 23:09:07 | preglow | amiconn, i asumme |
| 23:09:19 | preglow | i just assumed he coded it |
| 23:10:47 | jhMikeS | Zagor: dram is not really slow anyway. I can run mpegplayer from an uncached file buffer without any sort of performance hit. |
| 23:11:34 | Zagor | jhMikeS: yeah, but it was worth a shot. |
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| 23:13:40 | nanok | Zagor: were you one of the guys working on the usb for sansa targets, or am i way past my bedtime? :) |
| 23:13:48 | preglow | Zagor |
| 23:13:52 | preglow | yes, yes |
| 23:13:55 | * | preglow wipes eyes |
| 23:13:57 | Zagor | nanok: yes I am |
| 23:14:13 | nanok | been away for a while, i think i should check an overall changelog |
| 23:14:34 | nanok | but i never could find , except for the ones which refer to the between versions changes |
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| 23:14:57 | BigBambi | nanok: Between which versions? |
| 23:15:00 | preglow | amiconn: so, will you update voicebox tonight? |
| 23:15:10 | Zagor | well my work isn't in svn yet so you won't see it :) it's patch #7962 |
| 23:15:14 | BigBambi | If you mean between svn commits, then that is every change |
| 23:15:16 | nanok | Zagor: i was curious what's the word on that? what is the status, and so on, and, maybe, if there is anything us mortals can do to help :) |
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| 23:16:09 | nanok | BigBambi: i mean, there is no "master" changelog. you basically have to look at every changelog for every version |
| 23:16:13 | Zagor | nanok: the status is, unfortunately, that I'm stuck. I have weird problems with >64byte bulk transfers that I don't know the source of, nor the fix for. |
| 23:16:17 | nanok | or am i wrong? |
| 23:16:25 | BigBambi | Check out major changes |
| 23:16:55 | nanok | Zagor: how about the power related stuff on usb? is that allready okay? |
| 23:17:05 | Zagor | that works fine |
| 23:17:19 | jhMikeS | I hover on it now and it says "talk mp3 clip blah" like it should...it's in games and the name is _games.talk but I get nothing when I hover on it. |
| 23:17:24 | BigBambi | Where is the major changes link? |
| 23:17:29 | BigBambi | I can't find it |
| 23:17:35 | Bagder | wiki/MajorChanges |
| 23:17:43 | nanok | that sounds good i think. wouldn;t it be good to make that in a separate patch, and eventually svn commit? |
| 23:17:49 | rasher | jhMikeS: it should be _dirname.talk |
| 23:17:52 | rasher | jhMikeS: literally |
| 23:17:56 | BigBambi | Bagder: Thanks |
| 23:18:04 | BigBambi | Shouldn't that be on the front page? |
| 23:18:06 | jhMikeS | ah, thought that was figurative :) |
| 23:18:12 | rasher | jhMikeS: and that should make its contents be read when you hover over the directory "games2 |
| 23:18:29 | linuxstb | rasher: Talk clips are created as _dirname.talk ? |
| 23:18:33 | BigBambi | nanok: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=MajorChanges |
| 23:18:36 | nanok | Zagor: unfortunately i am no programmer, and i also don;t know shit about usb (mass storage) protocol internals :( |
| 23:18:43 | Zagor | nanok: yeah there's been a few request for such a commit. I was hoping to have more working before committing... |
| 23:18:48 | nanok | but if there's anything i can test or such, let me know |
| 23:18:48 | jhMikeS | now it works |
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| 23:19:17 | aridkillzone | hey how is everything everyone? |
| 23:19:20 | nanok | Zagor: maybe it is better to do it in small steps, and get it "out of the way" piece by piece |
| 23:19:34 | linuxstb | rasher: Ignore that question... I was worried about them conflicting with the files Mac OS X writes, but those are prefixed "._" |
| 23:19:47 | jhMikeS | preglow: yep, just the mp3-centric code had to be remove for SWCODEC |
| 23:19:57 | aridkillzone | Is rockbox for the ipod nano still laggy and jumpy? Or do the daily builds now work? |
| 23:20:25 | preglow | jhMikeS: elite, quick fix or new patch? i wanna test |
| 23:20:53 | scorche|w | aridkillzone: they have never been laggy and jumpy to me |
| 23:21:11 | aridkillzone | I have a 4 gig ipod nano |
| 23:21:15 | jhMikeS | preglow: http://rafb.net/p/DJjsfH57.html |
| 23:21:34 | aridkillzone | What ipod do you have scorche? |
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| 23:22:07 | linuxstb | aridkillzone: Are you talking about this bug? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7510 |
| 23:22:56 | linuxstb | aridkillzone: And what was the most recent version of Rockbox you've used? |
| 23:23:22 | aridkillzone | Yes thats exactly the one. I have restored my nano about 5 times (not exaggerating) and I want a working build for it |
| 23:23:32 | BigBambi | I want doesn't get |
| 23:23:47 | aridkillzone | The most recent version was around september. |
| 23:23:50 | BigBambi | aridkillzone: There is a new patch at the end of that bug report. Test it |
| 23:23:55 | aridkillzone | I gave up |
| 23:23:57 | aridkillzone | lol |
| 23:24:16 | aridkillzone | Ok, how do I put patches into the build? |
| 23:24:29 | BigBambi | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 23:24:47 | rasher | Someone should probably upload a patched build to the task to get more testers |
| 23:25:28 | linuxstb | Someone did... |
| 23:25:46 | aridkillzone | Is the last link the complete build with the patch and all? |
| 23:25:48 | linuxstb | aridkillzone: Just download the rockbox.zip at the bottom of that page. |
| 23:25:53 | aridkillzone | ok! |
| 23:25:58 | linuxstb | Yes - forget about patching... |
| 23:26:03 | aridkillzone | Kool thanks so much, ill test it |
| 23:26:21 | linuxstb | That patch was posted today, so good timing... |
| 23:26:28 | Llorean | rasher: The patch seems to work fine on my non-problematic nano, at least |
| 23:26:48 | aridkillzone | Was yours problematic before the patchand that build? |
| 23:26:57 | aridkillzone | *patch and |
| 23:27:04 | Llorean | aridkillzone: As I said mine's a non-problematic Nano |
| 23:27:37 | aridkillzone | okay, ill try the new build with the patch |
| 23:28:00 | aridkillzone | Im just so tired of restoring my nano, and rockbox works like a dream on my 80 gig |
| 23:28:30 | BigBambi | aridkillzone: Well, if you demand it works a bit more I'm sure it will |
| 23:30:13 | ttuttle | Llorean: It's gotta do with the order of the arguments. |
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| 23:32:37 | nanok | Zagor: allthough i know you will hhate me: i think the most urgent part is the power stuff, for practical reasons (booting the of for transfering files is annoying and i know i will be a happy bunny when i won;t have to see the of anymore, but not being able to charge while playing −− playing implies rockbox, ofcourse, there is no other way −− is much worse for daily usage, for so many reasons) |
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| 23:33:11 | jhMikeS | preglow: and? |
| 23:34:42 | ttuttle | Hey, are there any plans to get USB support working on the Sansa e250? |
| 23:35:09 | karashata | ttuttle: Zagor's working on it |
| 23:35:11 | Zagor | ttuttle: same plans as all other portalplayer targets |
| 23:35:41 | Zagor | nanok: I agree with you. |
| 23:36:38 | ttuttle | Zagor: What are the plans? |
| 23:37:02 | Zagor | ttuttle: get it working? see patch #7962 |
| 23:37:06 | ttuttle | Zagor: Okay. |
| 23:37:13 | ttuttle | Zagor: So it should happen? |
| 23:37:28 | ttuttle | Zagor: Is this something I can help test? |
| 23:37:50 | Zagor | yes, once we get to that stage. it's not ready for testing yet. |
| 23:38:08 | ttuttle | Zagor: Okay. |
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| 23:39:01 | preglow | eh, brb |
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| 23:40:49 | nanok | Zagor: it seems this is a good day for usb :-P |
| 23:41:34 | ttuttle | Llorean: Thanks a lot for the help! |
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| 23:41:46 | Zagor | nanok: well there's lots of interest, but unfortunately we are no closer to a solution |
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| 23:44:26 | nanok | Zagor: i guess it's a stupid question, but for what it's worth: |
| 23:45:10 | nanok | it seems the 64bytes limit is exactly the limit for "full speed" usb, for up to 512 you must have "high speed" usb. might that have anything to do with the problem here |
| 23:45:29 | nanok | (sorry in advance, i am pretty sure you allready know that/thought of it) |
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| 23:46:37 | bertrik | I plan to have a closer look at sansa USB on sunday |
| 23:46:55 | Zagor | bertrik: excellent |
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| 23:47:47 | nanok | i assume high speed must be negotiated explicitly somehow, so maybe the negotiation is somehow the problem (fails and falls back to full speed)? |
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| 23:48:38 | Zagor | nanok: I was going to response "of course I am running 2.0" but it is worth triple-checking. no suggestion is too stupid at this point. |
| 23:48:48 | bertrik | Zagor: have you figured out already which endpoints can do what? |
| 23:49:11 | bertrik | I mean are all endpoints capable of bulk transfer, or do you need to use specific ones |
| 23:49:44 | Zagor | bertrik: afaik they are all the same |
| 23:49:48 | nanok | Zagor: i may be mistaking, but i seem to remeber full and high speed are both 2.0? |
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| 23:49:53 | * | nanok goes out to check |
| 23:49:56 | preglow | jhMikeS: sorry, some people came by |
| 23:49:56 | rasher | Zagor: so at 64bytes, does it work, but slowly? Or is it still broken |
| 23:49:58 | Llorean | High and Full are both part of 2.0 |
| 23:50:02 | Llorean | afaik too |
| 23:50:15 | Zagor | nanok: no, full is specified in 1.1. |
| 23:50:28 | Bagder | yes but still available in 2.0... |
| 23:50:40 | Zagor | yes of course. everything is back-compatible |
| 23:51:00 | Zagor | rasher: at 64 bytes it works |
| 23:51:20 | linuxstb | Wouldn't that be worth committing? |
| 23:51:28 | rasher | That's what I was about to say |
| 23:51:40 | nanok | no, we are wrong. usb 1 12mbps is "full" |
| 23:51:50 | Zagor | nanok: exactly |
| 23:51:54 | nanok | Zagor: just checked, sorry :) |
| 23:52:02 | Bagder | yes, but you can still do usb 2.0 and full speed |
| 23:52:03 | rasher | Assuming things are in a working order, slow usb is far better than no usb |
| 23:52:32 | Bagder | ie "usb 2.0" is not equivalent to high speed |
| 23:52:34 | rasher | For stuff like upgrading rockbox, it'd be more than sufficient |
| 23:52:42 | Zagor | linuxstb, rasher: yeah I suppose so. I've been to focused on this bug to really think about committing a suboptimal version. I'll limit to 64 bytes and run some tests. |
| 23:52:48 | nanok | rasher: i second that. and 12mbps is not all that sllow anyway |
| 23:52:59 | bertrik | is it possible or useful to port the mass storage part of the stack to other USB device controllers? |
| 23:53:19 | nanok | plus, having the code in the svn might be helpfull, in having a bigger testbase, and more people to look at the code and come up with ideas.. |
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| 23:53:34 | Zagor | bertrik: yes, that is the idea |
| 23:54:08 | bertrik | so you did make it portable, more or less? |
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| 23:54:35 | Zagor | yes |
| 23:54:58 | jhMikeS | preglow: pay no attention to the people ;) |
| 23:55:04 | nanok | in this case, comitting with the current limitation of 64B might also help poeple advance/test on other targets |
| 23:55:22 | handmadematters | hi all ;-) |
| 23:55:46 | oblib | Anyone know what it would take to add .rar decompression to Rockbox? Apparently .spc files are often stored in RAR files |
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| 23:57:09 | scorche|w | oblib: there have been a few discussions ont he forums about this |
| 23:58:03 | oblib | scorche|w, what was the result of the discussions? |
| 23:58:07 | scorche|w | we arent a big fan of rar, as it is proprietary |
| 23:58:23 | oblib | true, I forgot about that |
| 23:58:35 | handmadematters | Is there a place at rockbox to report examinations of a DAP behaviour which could be helpfull for real developers... i think the task could be a little bit to much for me (we will see) but if i wont succeed the things i recorded could be helpful |
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