| 00:00:05 | rasher | bertrik: pretty much throwing it away, I'm afraid. It seems no one really paid attention to what he was doing, which is pretty sad in a lot of ways. |
| 00:00:46 | bertrik | ok |
| 00:00:54 | scorche|w | next year shall be different :) |
| 00:01:11 | * | linuxstb sharpens the whips |
| 00:01:52 | bertrik | I looked at the linux gadget API and I found it actually quite clean. |
| 00:02:13 | * | Bagder has gotten lost in the linux usb code more than once |
| 00:02:14 | bertrik | Ofcourse we don't need to have everything dynamic/installable |
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| 00:05:50 | nanok | but if it is based on the linux code, woudln't it have the colateral effect of making, for instance, usb otg easyer to get working (where possible)? |
| 00:06:25 | nanok | ofcourse, i understand how the full linux stack might be overkill for rockbox |
| 00:07:43 | Zagor | yay, another kernel oops... |
| 00:08:26 | nanok | Zagor: is there some evil spirit following you? |
| 00:08:40 | nanok | or inhabiting your pc's memory controller |
| 00:08:43 | Bagder | no, I'm not following Zagor! ;-P |
| 00:08:44 | nanok | :) |
| 00:09:35 | nanok | Bagder: come on, man, give the man a break? can;t you oops the kernel while he's asleep, at least? |
| 00:09:56 | Bagder | we need to keep him alert at this late hour! |
| 00:10:16 | nanok | i mean, i can understand how an evil spirit cannot change it;s ways overnight, but be reasonable, at least a small compromise?.. :) |
| 00:10:17 | Zagor | nanok: that's one of the reasons I haven't commited anything yet. my code started as an experiment, to see how much code is really needed because I found the linux code unmanageable. |
| 00:11:21 | nanok | Zagor: i get your point. but otoh it seems you are not the only one. it seems to me like that code feels unmanageable enough for most people, enough not to be maintained anymore |
| 00:11:48 | Zagor | doing OTG from scratch is not going to be funny. otoh we don't want the linux stack either, so we won't be able to otg from there without large modifications. |
| 00:12:01 | Zagor | to get otg |
| 00:12:13 | nanok | maybe you should try to make a "prerelease" with this 64B limitation, and at least have a patch available, i think there's a bunch of people out here who might want to test it as it is.. |
| 00:12:48 | nanok | Zagor: yeah, that's the tradeof, i guess |
| 00:14:19 | Zagor | I'll focus on a 64byte-version for now |
| 00:17:58 | preglow | geh |
| 00:17:59 | preglow | me bac |
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| 00:21:49 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, it does work better now |
| 00:21:53 | preglow | but it doesn't seem to say the right things |
| 00:22:08 | jhMikeS | what the heck does that mean? |
| 00:22:11 | jhMikeS | :) |
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| 00:22:39 | preglow | it says crazy shit like "26" instead of directory names |
| 00:23:28 | jhMikeS | well, that seems a little outside /* Make bit buffer use our own buffer */ |
| 00:23:28 | jhMikeS | do you have "number" turned on? |
| 00:23:28 | preglow | i should try decoding some of these bastards to see what they really say |
| 00:23:36 | preglow | nope |
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| 00:24:07 | psycho_maniac | is there a way to upload more than one file to the wiki at a time? |
| 00:24:44 | preglow | jhMikeS: yeah, something went seriously wrong with my .talk clip run |
| 00:24:51 | preglow | so, basically, it worked |
| 00:24:56 | preglow | what say you we commit this bastard, then? |
| 00:25:23 | preglow | i do wonder what is going on with voicebox, though |
| 00:25:35 | jhMikeS | think I can do that...3, 2, 1, first committer is a bastard! :P |
| 00:25:53 | preglow | now, let's see |
| 00:25:53 | rasher | preglow: I'd say that should be taken care of first |
| 00:25:59 | preglow | rasher: well, me too :/ |
| 00:26:02 | preglow | but amiconn vanished |
| 00:26:11 | jhMikeS | what needs taking care of now? |
| 00:26:17 | preglow | voicebox |
| 00:26:20 | preglow | what people use for making voices |
| 00:26:27 | rasher | No, .talk clips |
| 00:26:35 | * | jhMikeS gives voicebox a pack of smokes |
| 00:26:47 | jhMikeS | they're fine. |
| 00:27:15 | rasher | Which means it's arguably more important, since people rather have to make those themselves |
| 00:27:18 | preglow | rasher: well, shit, who is this brian wolven anyway? |
| 00:27:46 | preglow | and why isn't it in svn? |
| 00:27:59 | rasher | Two good questions |
| 00:28:08 | jhMikeS | preglow: so what could have gone wrong with the talk clip run? |
| 00:28:17 | rasher | I think the answer, like for voicefont and wavtrim is "no one cared" |
| 00:28:22 | preglow | jhMikeS: no idea |
| 00:28:27 | preglow | i'll try again, since i apparently have time to do so |
| 00:29:01 | rasher | It's entirely possible I cocked up the .talk clip generation, but it's perl, so you should be able to fix that... |
| 00:29:02 | preglow | well, if it we rely on it in this fashion, it should be in svn, imo |
| 00:29:03 | jhMikeS | preglow: it pissed me off when rbspeexenc rejected my stereo input :) |
| 00:29:11 | preglow | jhMikeS: :D |
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| 00:29:46 | jhMikeS | too hard to do a (L+R)/2 eh? :p |
| 00:30:45 | preglow | laziness is an integral part of me |
| 00:30:49 | preglow | have to pay attention to it |
| 00:30:55 | preglow | besides, it might not be what you want |
| 00:31:33 | jhMikeS | what might not be what I want? |
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| 00:32:44 | jhMikeS | to have it mix to mono? can't see why. |
| 00:33:10 | preglow | go ahead :> |
| 00:33:38 | jhMikeS | not bothering now |
| 00:34:14 | jhMikeS | I don't even use voice outside of testing it. |
| 00:35:00 | psycho_maniac | what does "Quietsave" mean when editing a wiki page? |
| 00:35:05 | jhMikeS | These .talk clips will sure as heck run your batt down though |
| 00:36:27 | preglow | yes indeed |
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| 00:38:19 | preglow | what the hell |
| 00:38:40 | jhMikeS | .talk generation snafu? |
| 00:38:46 | preglow | espeak 28 -w "lollerskates.wav" |
| 00:38:49 | preglow | why would it pass "28" ? |
| 00:39:18 | jhMikeS | what's the 28 mean? |
| 00:39:39 | rasher | erk |
| 00:39:44 | preglow | i don't even know why thell it's there |
| 00:39:47 | preglow | it's confusing me badly |
| 00:40:06 | rasher | $tts_engine_opts must be "28" |
| 00:40:15 | preglow | it's not, i use -S="" |
| 00:40:31 | preglow | and when i did -S="-h", it still passed some weird-ass number and not -h |
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| 00:41:24 | rasher | hrm... |
| 00:41:29 | rasher | hang on |
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| 00:42:16 | preglow | i might just go ahead and port this bastard to use the Getopts module one day :> |
| 00:42:20 | rasher | preglow: fixed |
| 00:42:26 | preglow | rasher: schweet |
| 00:42:27 | rasher | getopts wouldn't have helped |
| 00:42:37 | preglow | rasher: nah, but i think it's clearer |
| 00:44:18 | rasher | preglow: should work now.. can you confirm? |
| 00:54:00 | oblib | Anyone here good at codec programming? I'm trying to fix seeking in speex. |
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| 01:06:24 | * | jhMikeS looks up "single stack kernel architechture" and is bombarded by patents...always stupid patents anytime you get any ideas |
| 01:06:48 | ToHellWithGA | jhMikeS: you'll not do much good with that |
| 01:06:57 | ToHellWithGA | you misspelled architecture |
| 01:06:59 | ToHellWithGA | ;-) |
| 01:07:06 | jhMikeS | haha |
| 01:07:17 | ToHellWithGA | i figure i can be your google assistant |
| 01:07:24 | ToHellWithGA | since i have no idea what that means |
| 01:07:28 | jhMikeS | so long as they patented the "architechture" I'm safe :p |
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| 01:09:58 | jmspeex | oblib: It's not "codec programming", but I might be able to help. |
| 01:10:14 | oblib | are you responsible for speex? |
| 01:11:29 | jmspeex | oblib: I deny all responsability for it, but yes I wrote it. |
| 01:11:30 | jhMikeS | responsible? haha |
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| 01:12:06 | oblib | I'm trying to figure out why when I resume a speex file with a bookmark, it plays a bit (buffer full?) at the beginning of the file, and then jumps. Also, if I push skip backwards, it doesn't play anything until like 10 seconds in. |
| 01:12:43 | jhMikeS | is the behavior there pre MoB? |
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| 01:13:05 | oblib | MoB? I'm working off a current SVN |
| 01:13:12 | jhMikeS | Metadata on Buffer |
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| 01:13:30 | oblib | I'm not sure what that means. |
| 01:13:51 | jhMikeS | I'd suggest checking out a revision before that just to make sure. |
| 01:14:08 | oblib | I see that it does grab ci->id3->offset, but does not use it right away. |
| 01:14:21 | oblib | jhMikeS, a revision before what? Current? |
| 01:14:27 | jhMikeS | That means info about the files (like tag info) is kept on the audio buffer |
| 01:14:38 | jhMikeS | no...farther back |
| 01:14:45 | shriphani | hello, I am making a podcast on rockbox for our open source software interest group. Can someone give me a list of new features which improve upon the functionality of the native os which comes with the iPod and iRiver ? |
| 01:14:51 | oblib | It's done this since May at least |
| 01:15:15 | jhMikeS | ah...so that's not it then |
| 01:15:27 | karashata | shriphani: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 01:15:50 | shriphani | karashata, I have gone through that page and I am looking for more. |
| 01:17:06 | oblib | shriphani, because it *rocks*! what more do you need than that? ;-) |
| 01:17:39 | Llorean | shriphani: Do you have specific questions or something, or do you just feel like something must be missing? |
| 01:18:29 | shriphani | Llorean, I feel that the WhyRockbox page is a bit small and won't take much time to cover in a podcast. |
| 01:18:51 | Llorean | Well, the manual goes into detail on pretty much everything |
| 01:18:54 | Llorean | So you can get more out of it |
| 01:19:05 | shriphani | ok. |
| 01:19:15 | shriphani | btw has python been ported to rockbox ? |
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| 01:20:26 | oblib | where in the code can I find what happens to the codec if the "skip back" button is pushed (skip to start of track, or skip back one track)? |
| 01:20:48 | Llorean | shriphani: No. |
| 01:21:32 | shriphani | well alright then, I'll look for material in the manual. thanks a lot :) |
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| 01:29:23 | jhMikeS | oblib: the SPC codec has really simple handling of those events so it might be a good reference of what to look for in a more complex one |
| 01:30:20 | oblib | jhMikeS, will do |
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| 01:31:19 | pixelma | shriphani: from your description it sounds like http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison could be of interest... ? |
| 01:33:52 | oblib | jhMikeS, yes very simple indeed. It doesn't really handle it at all (no seeking, doesn't respect bookmarks) |
| 01:34:32 | Mouser_X | It's an emulated format. It would be difficult to specify those things... |
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| 01:35:17 | oblib | Mouser_X, I understand, it just doesn't help with what I'm trying to do now |
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| 01:36:11 | [potato] | hi, can anyone guid me on how to get midi files working? im on dial up and having a bit of trouble getting into the forums |
| 01:36:12 | Mouser_X | Sorry, I didn't read the logs. |
| 01:36:57 | jhMikeS | oblib: well, you seemed to be asking about events. it sounded relevent anyway. |
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| 01:37:44 | oblib | yeah, what I'm saying is it doesn't respond to any events. I will check into some of the other codecs though |
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| 01:38:50 | jhMikeS | sure it does. it will restart from the beginning if "skip back" is pressed and such...it ignores a seek request to actually seek but process it. |
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| 01:39:54 | oblib | you're right, which tells me that the skip back is handled out side of the codec. So I guess that means (as far as the speex problem goes) is that it just behaves poorly for the first packet it buffers. |
| 01:40:25 | jhMikeS | we could have seeking in an emulated format if the machine state were caches along many points and then the machine run up to a particular sample index before actually playing samples. |
| 01:41:06 | oblib | or just run the emulator as fast as possible until it gets there. how's that for battery intensive? |
| 01:41:38 | jhMikeS | way too CPU intensive for that...hence the "seektable" |
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| 01:58:12 | mathayas | I need a bit of help in getting cygwin up and running, −− particularely when it comes to installing the required packages |
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| 02:06:45 | preglow | jhMikeS: ok, so we're waiting with this, then? |
| 02:06:51 | JoeBorn | hi all, anyone remember which cowon player uses the TI DM320? |
| 02:08:14 | preglow | a2? |
| 02:08:18 | preglow | tms320 |
| 02:09:21 | jhMikeS | preglow: umm...I'm waiting...just sitting here wait for the go code |
| 02:09:42 | preglow | well, if we're going to wait until voicebox is fixed, it's not happening now, apparently |
| 02:10:45 | jhMikeS | lemme guess, priority inversion...we're blocked until the low priority task completes? :p |
| 02:11:25 | preglow | indeed... |
| 02:11:35 | preglow | but no, if it's not fixed tomorrow... |
| 02:12:06 | jhMikeS | then it need to inherit the priority of this task or be preempted (ok, thread head atm I am) |
| 02:17:01 | preglow | yeah, amiconn is right anyway |
| 02:17:03 | preglow | it should be easy to fix |
| 02:17:25 | jhMikeS | just support for speex? |
| 02:17:32 | preglow | yeah |
| 02:17:35 | preglow | that should be all |
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| 02:20:18 | msl | How do I reboot my nano if it has frozen? |
| 02:20:36 | preglow | keep menu and select pressed for a long time |
| 02:20:40 | preglow | you'll see when it work |
| 02:20:40 | preglow | s |
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| 02:22:16 | msl | Thanks preglow |
| 02:22:24 | mathayas | I need a bit of help in getting cygwin up and running, −− particularely when it comes to installing the required packages |
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| 02:27:43 | smooveJ | Heya - just tried installing rockbox boot loader 2.0 on OSX formatted iPod Video and I think I might've bricked it |
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| 02:27:57 | smooveJ | i'm getting this message on a black screen: |
| 02:28:06 | smooveJ | Rockbox boot loader |
| 02:28:12 | smooveJ | Version 2.0 |
| 02:28:26 | smooveJ | IPOD version: 0xFFFFFFFF |
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| 02:28:46 | smooveJ | tOSHIBA MK6008GAH |
| 02:28:51 | smooveJ | No partition found |
| 02:29:00 | smooveJ | Hold MENU+SELECT to reboot |
| 02:29:11 | Llorean | smooveJ: Why did you put it on an OSX formatted iPod? |
| 02:29:15 | smooveJ | then SELECT+PLAY for disk mode |
| 02:30:16 | smooveJ | I didn't do my homework - stupidly assumed it would work before reading the doco |
| 02:30:45 | smooveJ | Now it won't even mount |
| 02:30:53 | Llorean | If you just follow the disk mode instructions from the bootloader message you pasted, you can boot into disk mode and mount.. |
| 02:30:57 | jhMikeS | preglow: possible to whip up an H10 voice real quick? |
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| 02:37:58 | preglow | jhMikeS: sure |
| 02:38:00 | preglow | what engine? |
| 02:38:02 | preglow | espeak? |
| 02:38:16 | jhMikeS | the darth vader one |
| 02:38:40 | preglow | coming up |
| 02:38:53 | preglow | calling it the darth vader one is a bit of stretch, though :P |
| 02:38:55 | jhMikeS | it's 20GB if that matters |
| 02:39:05 | jhMikeS | can you lower the pitch? :) |
| 02:39:09 | preglow | it sounds like half-eccentric british guy through a ring modulator :P |
| 02:39:14 | preglow | haha, perhaps tomorrow |
| 02:40:45 | Aware | what is the point of the new %m wps tag? does it just remove the need to manually add preceding spaces to line wps info off the edge of the screen? |
| 02:41:00 | jhMikeS | I think you could use that one to make a very good DV impression. I'll try to install one or another version of it and mess around till I get it. |
| 02:41:07 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/english.voice.h10 |
| 02:41:11 | jhMikeS | thanks |
| 02:41:15 | preglow | nÃp |
| 02:41:24 | preglow | kill for a beer |
| 02:42:18 | jhMikeS | I observed that the letter "A" in the keyboard was too short...just a quick eh' |
| 02:42:54 | Llorean | Which engine is being called the "darth vader" one? |
| 02:42:59 | jhMikeS | espeak |
| 02:43:00 | preglow | Llorean: i think it's espeak |
| 02:43:05 | preglow | we'll find out shortly |
| 02:43:05 | Llorean | Have you heard the mbrola voices yet? |
| 02:43:11 | preglow | no, no i have not |
| 02:43:53 | Llorean | This is espeak using mbrola voices instead of its own: http://llorean.dyndns.org/rockbox/voice/mtest.wav |
| 02:44:29 | jhMikeS | if we can improve pronounciation with phoneme strings (for the voice string), why not use it? don't these TTS engines support that? |
| 02:44:39 | preglow | jhMikeS: sure they do |
| 02:44:45 | preglow | to some extent |
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| 02:45:54 | Aware | could someone please answer my question? |
| 02:45:55 | preglow | some correction is being done already, in voice.pl |
| 02:46:00 | jhMikeS | that sounds like Tony Blair |
| 02:46:17 | preglow | jhMikeS: it was the wrong one? |
| 02:46:25 | jhMikeS | no the mtest.wav |
| 02:46:29 | preglow | ah, right |
| 02:46:35 | karashata | Aware: the %m tag allows you to specify a left margin |
| 02:46:56 | Llorean | It's a good deal less mechanical than the standard espeak voices, and I think espeak has better pronunciation with unedited strings than festival |
| 02:47:12 | Aware | so does it essentially do what i thought it did? |
| 02:47:12 | preglow | that doesn't sound too bad at all |
| 02:47:23 | preglow | is that espeak? |
| 02:47:29 | Llorean | Sorta |
| 02:47:32 | jhMikeS | has that vocoder-ish richness to it with closet echo |
| 02:47:33 | preglow | espeak + mbrola? |
| 02:47:41 | Llorean | The command line has espeak produce phonemes and feed them to mbrola which actually speaks them. |
| 02:47:58 | preglow | well, espeak does pronounciation very well |
| 02:48:19 | Llorean | Espeak even gets read vs read correct sometimes. |
| 02:48:30 | preglow | and it doens't say ploojins :P |
| 02:48:35 | Llorean | There is that too. |
| 02:48:40 | CoupDeGrace | Does anyone know if there's any beta versions of Rockbox for the Creative Zen Vision:M? |
| 02:48:41 | preglow | i almost missed that |
| 02:48:43 | karashata | Aware: basically, yes, except that text won't scroll past the margin, so it's good for positioning text beside images you don't want drawn over by the text |
| 02:48:47 | preglow | CoupDeGrace: no, it's not even being worked on |
| 02:48:58 | Llorean | preglow: Not *entirely* true any more. |
| 02:49:02 | CoupDeGrace | preglow Seriously?! |
| 02:49:26 | preglow | Llorean: right... |
| 02:49:28 | preglow | disregard me, then |
| 02:49:30 | Llorean | I think they've got the ability to get the device to load their own code now, don't they? Just don't have any code for it to load, or anything. |
| 02:49:44 | preglow | well, if i knew that i wouldn't have said what i said, would i :V |
| 02:49:55 | Llorean | CoupDeGrace: It's _barely_ being worked on. As in "Nobody's working on Rockbox for it, but they're working on the ability to work on Rockbox for it" |
| 02:50:16 | CoupDeGrace | Lol. Great. |
| 02:50:30 | Aware | karashata: i see. so this negates the usage of patched builds for this functionality. so why isn't there the ability to set a right margin? |
| 02:50:35 | CoupDeGrace | I've been dying to Rockbox my Vision all year. x_X |
| 02:50:53 | Llorean | CoupDeGrace: Then join the effort working on it. All Rockbox development is volunteer effort. |
| 02:51:23 | Llorean | Aware: Because that functionality will come with viewports |
| 02:51:28 | CoupDeGrace | Tell me what to do and I'll do my best, but I'm no programmer.. |
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| 02:51:52 | Llorean | CoupDeGrace: See the NewPorts wiki page, but if you're not up to getting your hands dirty, there's not much you can do (or really, anything) |
| 02:52:41 | jhMikeS | saving 300k on a voice file ain't bad |
| 02:53:13 | Llorean | Where do we load / keep the voice file? |
| 02:53:21 | CoupDeGrace | Llorean Alright, just google NewPorts or something? I'm fine with getting my hands dirty, I'm tech savvy enough to perhaps be able to help in some way but I'm not sure |
| 02:53:45 | Llorean | CoupDeGrace: It's a page in the Rockbox Wiki, simply named NewPorts, no googling should be necessary. |
| 02:53:50 | jhMikeS | preglow: yeah, that's the nice DV/driod one |
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| 02:54:24 | CoupDeGrace | Llorean Awesome. Well. I'll snoop around and see if I can be of any assistance. |
| 02:54:32 | Aware | Llorean: what is viewports? |
| 02:55:04 | karashata | Aware: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=ViewPorts |
| 02:55:07 | jhMikeS | preglow: "yes" seems to always be missing too |
| 02:55:11 | Llorean | Aware: A feature that will allow text to be put at X/Y coordinates, with left, right, and possibly even bottom margins (so you can change fonts and not have alignment die) |
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| 02:55:55 | jhMikeS | I just get silence (audio goes to background so silence is playing instead) |
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| 02:56:09 | psycho_maniac | when i run the svn up command it just sits there with a yellow block. is there something wrong here? \ |
| 02:57:41 | preglow | jhMikeS: yeah, i never get yes |
| 02:57:43 | preglow | god knows why |
| 02:58:00 | Llorean | I remember a bug about a missing "Yes" in the voices in the past |
| 02:58:42 | preglow | then not our bug, good |
| 02:58:46 | psycho_maniac | it was running and then stoped on one file so i closed eterm and ran it again. ran svn cleanup and then svn up. would this break somethign as it snot working at the moment |
| 02:59:11 | jhMikeS | preglow: it is the very first clip |
| 02:59:53 | jhMikeS | so I suppose it's immediately after the header...could be a clue |
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| 03:00:18 | preglow | myeah |
| 03:00:48 | psycho_maniac | i can ping svn.rockbox.org but it just doesnt seem to be downloading anyhting. just sits as a yellow block. |
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| 03:02:02 | blistov | what version of sanspatcher works with the e200's right now? |
| 03:02:09 | Llorean | The newest? |
| 03:02:23 | psycho_maniac | maybe i need to give something a kick |
| 03:02:57 | blistov | Llorean, last time I used the newest, it broked maw device. |
| 03:03:04 | blistov | I think we had this conversation a few months ago. |
| 03:03:28 | psycho_maniac | its still just sitting there not downloading anything. |
| 03:03:34 | blistov | Some version at some point wouldn't boot the device, and I couldn't get into recovery either. |
| 03:03:59 | Llorean | blistov: So... your assumption is that a version some months ago didn't work, so the october 20th version probably doesn't fix that bug? |
| 03:04:06 | psycho_maniac | how to i revert to an older version of svn? |
| 03:04:41 | * | jhMikeS hunts for more mp3-centric code just in case |
| 03:04:46 | Llorean | blistov: And I highly doubt it *broke* your device. It doesn't have the physical strength for that. The worst it could've done was simply require you to restore it. |
| 03:05:18 | psycho_maniac | maybe if i revert to a older svn i could then do the svn up command. |
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| 03:06:50 | blistov | Llorean, I'm asking a question. Not questioning y ou. |
| 03:06:52 | psycho_maniac | actually where do i find the newest svn revision? |
| 03:07:26 | blistov | Last time I did this using the newest version, my device wouldn't go into recovery. |
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| 03:07:34 | blistov | Just verifying. |
| 03:07:34 | Llorean | blistov: If you were just asking the question, you probably would've stopped when I just gave you an answer. |
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| 03:08:52 | Llorean | Sansapatcher doesn't even write to the area where recovery is kept. Are you sure the only thing you did was use Sansapatcher as the instructions describe on a clean e200 non-R? |
| 03:09:34 | Llorean | Is there a bug report associated with the problem you had with it? |
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| 03:16:15 | sdoyon | For the voice with speex, P#8162, do I need new tools fomr somewhere? |
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| 03:25:23 | ttuttle | Hey, has anyone thought of adding a feature to Rockbox where you can pause the radio and have it buffer it? |
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| 03:25:35 | ttuttle | You could build a radio PVR even. |
| 03:26:20 | mschneider | would anyone be willing to help with a brief coding issue? |
| 03:27:36 | sdoyon | mschneider: depends...? |
| 03:28:02 | mschneider | well, I'm trying to get something to take user input - but only number |
| 03:28:06 | mschneider | numbers* |
| 03:28:24 | ttuttle | anyone interested? |
| 03:28:30 | mschneider | Which do you think would be better to do - user the keyboard or draw a number pad like in calculator? |
| 03:28:39 | Llorean | ttuttle: Rockbox can already record from the radio, and I believe even do timed recordings |
| 03:28:48 | Llorean | mschneider: Pad. |
| 03:28:59 | mschneider | Alright thank you. |
| 03:29:23 | mschneider | Would it be alright if i borrowed some of that code or should i start from scratch? |
| 03:29:45 | DerPapst | it's gpl sure you can borrow as much as you want |
| 03:30:01 | Llorean | mschneider: It's GPL, you can reuse all the code in Rockbox. |
| 03:30:08 | ttuttle | Llorean: Yeah, but what about pausing live radio? |
| 03:31:06 | DerPapst | ttuttle: i guess it is beyond most dap to record audio and play it back at the same time |
| 03:31:06 | Llorean | ttuttle: Nothing's implemented for that. |
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| 03:31:24 | DerPapst | *most daps abillities |
| 03:32:10 | ttuttle | DerPapst: Oh. |
| 03:32:15 | ttuttle | DerPapst: Hmm. I didn't think of that. |
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| 03:33:00 | DerPapst | ;) |
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| 03:34:03 | ttuttle | DerPapst: Are you sure, or nobody's tried? |
| 03:36:20 | DerPapst | i'm not sure... |
| 03:37:10 | DerPapst | but you can't use mp3 as codec for that task because on some daps mp3 is pretty cpu intensive |
| 03:37:20 | DerPapst | and for encoding even more |
| 03:37:30 | DerPapst | but wav requires a lot of seeking |
| 03:37:35 | DerPapst | and buffering |
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| 03:37:44 | ttuttle | DerPapst: Okay. 1. How much RAM is in most devices? 2. Can I stream data to/from the hardware directly, instead of writing to disk? |
| 03:37:46 | DerPapst | *seeking on the harddrive |
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| 03:37:53 | ttuttle | DerPapst: Er, I'm using a flash player. |
| 03:38:07 | webguest52 | hey everyone, sorry for the troubleshooting question... |
| 03:38:37 | webguest52 | I just accidentally loaded the OF.mi4 from rockbox on my sandisk |
| 03:38:47 | DerPapst | ttuttle: tough i'm not sure how much bigger the performance is over a hdd, |
| 03:38:58 | webguest52 | now the screen is all colorful static, and I can't get it to shut off... is there a way to hard reset it? |
| 03:39:08 | ttuttle | webguest52: hold power for many seconds? |
| 03:39:17 | webguest52 | I tried, it doesn't do anything |
| 03:39:34 | ttuttle | webguest52: hmm |
| 03:39:37 | ttuttle | webguest52: is there a reset pin? |
| 03:40:12 | DerPapst | ttuttle: that target are you talking about? since it's flash i guess it has 32MB ram.. which isn'T that much for wav |
| 03:40:28 | DerPapst | *what target |
| 03:40:45 | webguest52 | ttuttle: there doesn't appear to be a reset pin... it's a new player for me, I don't know much about the hardware yet |
| 03:41:00 | DerPapst | so you could only hold a few minuted |
| 03:41:40 | DerPapst | seriously... i shouldn't try to tye at 3:45am :-/ |
| 03:43:02 | Llorean | The Sansa should always shutdown if you hold Power for 15 seconds. |
| 03:43:38 | webguest52 | I've tried holding power for about 30 seconds, but it's not shutting off... the light wheel is on and the screen is all static |
| 03:43:54 | Llorean | Then there's something very significantly wrong with it. |
| 03:44:00 | Llorean | Something not just software, probably |
| 03:44:16 | webguest52 | wait, what the heck? It just shut off automatically |
| 03:44:17 | webguest52 | weird |
| 03:44:30 | webguest52 | it's working now, thanks! |
| 03:44:44 | psycho_maniac | how much battery was left when you accidently loaded that file? |
| 03:44:53 | webguest52 | about a quarter |
| 03:45:04 | psycho_maniac | ok nm. i figured it killed the battery |
| 03:45:53 | webguest52 | thanks for the help! |
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| 03:46:08 | psycho_maniac | now never do that AGAIN |
| 03:46:10 | ttuttle | DerPapst: Well, you could dump it out to disk/flash after a few minutes in 1 minute increments. |
| 03:46:24 | ttuttle | DerPapst: Assuming you can hold 2 minutes worth in RAM, you're fine. |
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| 03:49:51 | DerPapst | well as i said.. i *guess* it's beyond most daps abillities. but i can be wrong though. there you better ask someone who has a better knowledge about the internals of rockbox and what is possible. |
| 03:50:34 | Llorean | Buffering to disk shouldn't be a problem, I mean, we do that with recording anyway |
| 03:50:43 | Llorean | Encoding realtime as necessary, etc. |
| 03:51:09 | Llorean | The real question comes in terms of the order things are hooked up, and whether it's possible to encode *and* decode realtime, so that you can playback while timeshifted (say, 15 minutes behind "now") |
| 03:51:46 | Llorean | So the important questions are "Can the device play audio files while recording radio" and "Is it fast enough to do this with any format other than WAV" |
| 03:52:33 | psycho_maniac | with the old scrolling margins patch. did you need the 2 margins? or could you have just the left margin? |
| 03:56:05 | ttuttle | Llorean: Well I don't plan to do it with anything but WAV. |
| 03:56:25 | ttuttle | Llorean: wait, don't they have hardware MP3 decoders? Or is it shared, so you can't encode if you're decoding? |
| 03:57:29 | Llorean | ttuttle: Very few have hardware MP3 decoders. |
| 03:58:23 | ttuttle | Llorean: brb, Numb3rs is on... |
| 03:58:43 | psycho_maniac | ttuttle: thanks for reminding me hehe |
| 03:58:47 | ttuttle | psycho_maniac: ;-) |
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| 04:47:35 | D0ug | I'm simply asking one question and not asking for reference to google, or any page that would contain a slew of seperate answers. Has there been any progress on the iPod Classic models (6th gen)? |
| 04:48:05 | scorche | no |
| 04:48:39 | D0ug | Thank you. |
| 04:48:57 | scorche | there isnt anyone working on it, so i dont see how there can be progress ;) |
| 04:52:16 | D0ug | Okay, would there be anyone working on it anytime soon? |
| 04:52:32 | D0ug | As, its become difficult to purchase an older model of iPod |
| 04:53:45 | Llorean | We can't predict when someone will work on it |
| 04:53:51 | Llorean | All progress comes by people volunteering |
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| 04:55:55 | D0ug | Okay, has there been very much other inquiry? |
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| 04:56:39 | Llorean | Yes, but none of them are really people working on it, just people interested in seeing someone do it. |
| 04:56:51 | Mouser_X | D0ug: Lots of people have asked, but that's it. Asking only. If you want a port, see what you can do to help it get started. |
| 04:57:16 | D0ug | I can't actually do anything coding wise, but does actual funds expedite the process at all? |
| 04:57:38 | D0ug | I wouldn't mind donating, if it'll help with intiative. |
| 04:58:00 | DogBoy | it's not gonna hurt, that's for sure |
| 04:58:07 | D0ug | Heh |
| 04:58:10 | Llorean | The donation fund is for "Rockbox" rather than for incentive for any specific goal or target. |
| 04:58:20 | Llorean | Don't expect anything out of it, it really is a _donation_ and not payment for anything. |
| 04:58:28 | D0ug | Yeah, I know |
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| 05:26:37 | Mouser_X | In reading the logs (I'm at least a day behind) I have to say that crossfade, and fade on stop/pause are among my most unwanted features ever... |
| 05:26:59 | ttuttle | Hey, my Sansa is just stuck at the Rockbox splash screen. (Rockbox logo at top, version number at bottom.) |
| 05:27:17 | Mouser_X | Drop kick it? (not really, of course) |
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| 05:27:41 | Mouser_X | Well, I didn't mean to be rude... |
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| 05:29:45 | ttuttle | Sorry, had to switch IP's. |
| 05:30:13 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 05:30:24 | ttuttle | Mouser_X: Any solution? |
| 05:31:08 | male | Mouser_X: Those are incredibly useful for performances. |
| 05:31:17 | psycho_maniac | if he doesnt answer he might have went to sleep. |
| 05:31:38 | advcomp2019 | which sansa |
| 05:31:41 | male | Mouser_X: I recently did the music for a wedding with Rockbox and it would have been a pain without crossfade and fade on pause/play. |
| 05:31:54 | ttuttle | advcomp2019: me? e250. (not r) |
| 05:32:06 | male | Mouser_X: Same at parties. |
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| 05:32:23 | advcomp2019 | power up 20 to 30 second |
| 05:32:42 | advcomp2019 | hold^ |
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| 05:33:05 | ttuttle | advcomp2019: wait, hold the power button 20-30 seconds after turning on? |
| 05:33:31 | male | My only gripe is that when you pause, skip, and unpause, the previous song fades in, and then crossfades... This is obviously incorrect. |
| 05:33:42 | Mouser_X | male: I didn't say I hated them, but I would avoid using them whenever possible. |
| 05:33:50 | advcomp2019 | yea ttuttle |
| 05:33:58 | ttuttle | advcomp2019: oh, i got it by reinstalling rockbox |
| 05:33:59 | male | Once you've faded out on pause and skipped, the original song is done with. |
| 05:34:14 | advcomp2019 | o ok ttuttle |
| 05:35:39 | Mouser_X | male: In truth, I don't use the "directout" output plugin in Winamp, because the other one (apparently older) doesn't allow fading... That's not the *only* reason, but it's one of the very biggest. |
| 05:36:23 | male | Mouser_X: What does Winamp have to do with anything? |
| 05:36:35 | Mouser_X | Crossfade and pause/stop fading. |
| 05:36:54 | Mouser_X | Just saying, that I dislike it enough to forcefully disable it whenever possible. |
| 05:37:25 | TheNetKnight | I'm new to Rockbox, I would like to contribute to the project, the website says to ask here for permission top post in the Wiki |
| 05:37:25 | Mouser_X | When listening to a song, I don't want some other music to be thrown into the mix. |
| 05:37:28 | male | I dislike the games plugins and demos, but I'm not suggesting they be removed to development on them stopped. |
| 05:37:30 | psycho_maniac | crossfading? |
| 05:38:00 | Mouser_X | male: I'm not suggesting that crossfading be removed either. I'm just saying that I don't like it. |
| 05:38:00 | male | s/to/or/ |
| 05:38:22 | Mouser_X | And used Winamp to illustrate that point further. |
| 05:38:30 | psycho_maniac | i dont like crossfading really either. i wish i could have it on but have it off only when i skip songs. |
| 05:38:35 | * | male makes a note in his Things Mouser_X Doesn't Like book. |
| 05:38:46 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 05:38:55 | Mouser_X | Add cats to the list. |
| 05:39:11 | * | psycho_maniac adds smashed up deloreans |
| 05:39:16 | Mouser_X | :( |
| 05:39:57 | Mouser_X | Back on topic: You're correct though, that they're great for perfomance *tests.* |
| 05:39:59 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 05:40:46 | Mouser_X | It's nice to see how the player works, when they're enabled. Can it handle it? Is the codec written/optimized well enough, that it can work with all the bells and whistles enabled? |
| 05:41:22 | Mouser_X | Even though I might not like it, I realize that others do. As such, these are important issues, and should be payed attention to. |
| 05:41:27 | scorche | TheNetKnight: your name? |
| 05:41:49 | TheNetKnight | John Grover, already registered on the TWiki |
| 05:42:44 | scorche | done |
| 05:42:57 | scorche | although it is saying you dont exist... |
| 05:43:40 | TheNetKnight | Thanks. I was really impressed with what RockBox let me do on my e250r, very cool |
| 05:44:34 | scorche | JohnGrover is your wikiname? |
| 05:44:52 | TheNetKnight | yes, did I mess up the registration? |
| 05:45:03 | scorche | well, it is saying you dont exist |
| 05:45:08 | scorche | how did you type it? |
| 05:45:27 | TheNetKnight | I'll go try again |
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| 05:48:48 | TheNetKnight | Ah, apache gives a 500 error when I try to register |
| 05:50:29 | TheNetKnight | I'll try again later |
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| 07:10:20 | psycho_maniac | usually when you register to the wiki it comes up on the main page. unless he registered a long time ago |
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| 07:41:10 | J-23 | Hello! |
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| 07:45:27 | amiconn | preglow: VoiceBox is written by Brian Wolven, not me |
| 07:45:58 | J-23 | How can I install live system on my player? |
| 07:46:42 | psycho_maniac | what do you mean by "live system"? and what player? |
| 07:46:51 | J-23 | Sansa c240 |
| 07:47:05 | J-23 | Live system = LiveCD Linux/BSD |
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| 07:47:23 | psycho_maniac | you cannot we only know/tell how to install rockbox. |
| 07:47:35 | J-23 | hmm... |
| 07:47:49 | amiconn | tierra: around now? |
| 07:48:25 | psycho_maniac | J-23: do you mean by installing an actual linux os on the player itself, plug it in and then load the os from there? |
| 07:48:34 | psycho_maniac | onto the computer? |
| 07:48:39 | scorche | amiconn: i could be wrong, but i believe he is out with friends |
| 07:49:46 | psycho_maniac | if that is what you are after this is not the place to ask those questions as they are off topic. |
| 07:49:57 | amiconn | timezones :/ |
| 07:50:10 | scorche | indeed |
| 07:51:11 | J-23 | psycho_maniac: Yes, I do. |
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| 09:45:33 | Matze | hello, I have a question that I have already asked in the dev-board but I have not got an answer till now. so here is it again in IRC: How can I use the audio data from an input source (fmradio, mic, linein) in a plugin? I read through oscilloscope plugin but that uses pcm_calculate_peaks which does not return the "real sample data" as I understand it? I want to demodulate data from incoming audio... |
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| 09:50:47 | linuxstb | Matze: No other plugins currently do that, but I think jhMikeS and preglow did some work on it, and they may have a "proof-of-concept" plugin somewhere. |
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| 10:01:51 | Matze | linuxstb: thank you. maybe one of them reads this and answers me when they have time. I did not find anything similar to my request so I have foreseen that it would not be possible easily with current svn build. |
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| 10:07:51 | * | linuxstb suspects that the latest wiki user doesn't have CODeRUS as a realname... |
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| 10:08:29 | hcs | initials? |
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| 10:21:54 | Bagder | well he does mention parts of his name in the Name field |
| 10:22:03 | Bagder | so we know it isn't CODeRUS ;-) |
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| 10:24:15 | linuxstb | Bagder: Do you remember if the issue of real names for contributors to rockbox-themes.org has been discussed? Also, any idea what license the WPSs in SVN are under? |
| 10:25:01 | Bagder | I can't recall any particular discussion about real names on rockbox-themes |
| 10:25:13 | Bagder | I would say the WPSes in SVN are under the GPL |
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| 11:34:45 | * | JdGordon agrees |
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| 12:01:39 | preglow | amiconn: how is brian wolven, and why isn't voicebox in svn if we depend on it so much? |
| 12:01:44 | preglow | who... |
| 12:07:45 | * | preglow would have liked to have this in svn by now :/ |
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| 12:10:08 | amiconn | Hmm. Unfortunately it doesn't have a clear license |
| 12:10:29 | amiconn | Brian Wolven used to be around a lot in archos-only times |
| 12:10:48 | preglow | it doesn't _have_ a license |
| 12:10:49 | amiconn | I now have a working version of VoiceBox with rbspeexenc support |
| 12:10:52 | preglow | so we can't modify it either |
| 12:11:12 | preglow | and sure as hell not redistribute it |
| 12:11:21 | pixelma | preglow: do you know what rbutil uses, afaik it can create .talk clips somehow (if I'm not remembering wrong) |
| 12:11:28 | amiconn | Well, there already is a modified version in the wiki |
| 12:11:33 | amiconn | (for sapi4 support) |
| 12:11:49 | preglow | pixelma: hmm, i'll check it out right now |
| 12:13:32 | preglow | pixelma: does its own thing, it seems |
| 12:16:53 | preglow | amiconn: well, hell, if we already have a modified version, please do put up another one |
| 12:17:20 | amiconn | What would be a nice default for rbspeexenc -c ? |
| 12:18:18 | amiconn | Hmm, and how do I tell it to resample? |
| 12:18:24 | amiconn | It only mentions -q and -c |
| 12:18:54 | preglow | amiconn: it always resamples |
| 12:19:04 | preglow | unless sampling rate is 16khz |
| 12:20:31 | amiconn | ah |
| 12:21:06 | amiconn | No 8 kHz option? |
| 12:22:17 | preglow | not yet |
| 12:23:05 | preglow | and seriously, who'd use it? |
| 12:23:32 | preglow | any rbutil people around? |
| 12:24:28 | preglow | amiconn: anyway, it'll be the same then, i'll just add a "-n" option that'll force resampling to 8khz |
| 12:24:53 | preglow | i actually think the rockbox part of things should work almost with no modifications |
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| 12:26:35 | preglow | yeah, it actually should, the wideband decoder will detect if it in fact decoded a narrowband frame |
| 12:26:52 | amiconn | Hmm. Not all invocation variants of voiceBox will work yet |
| 12:26:54 | preglow | it'll be slightly less efficient than decoding as nb straight away, though |
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| 12:27:10 | amiconn | GUI works, but drag&drop without literal options won't |
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| 12:28:01 | preglow | btw, i think default for -c should be 10, slower encode, but max quality |
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| 12:28:17 | preglow | as for -q, i currently have 4 as default when doing make voice |
| 12:28:25 | * | amiconn only ever used the gui so far |
| 12:29:19 | * | preglow wonders why rbutil doesn't support festival |
| 12:41:40 | preglow | rasher: voice.pl still doesn't generate talk clips right here |
| 12:43:17 | rasher | preglow: what's wrong now? |
| 12:44:12 | preglow | you forget to pass $tts_engine_opts to gentalkclips |
| 12:45:21 | preglow | so it gets $i instead |
| 12:45:30 | preglow | a lot for "zero", "zero", "zero" clip |
| 12:45:31 | preglow | si'll fix |
| 12:45:33 | rasher | I thought that's what I tested |
| 12:45:37 | rasher | eh, fixed. |
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| 12:46:17 | preglow | well, svn up does nothing to it |
| 12:46:25 | preglow | sure you fixed it all places? |
| 12:46:37 | rasher | Ah no, I missed the first call |
| 12:46:52 | preglow | indeed |
| 12:47:07 | rasher | adding $S before , 0 in line 487 should fix it |
| 12:47:28 | preglow | done so |
| 12:47:32 | preglow | works just fine |
| 12:47:50 | rasher | I guess the $i should be global to work correctly, really |
| 12:49:19 | preglow | wavtrim is a bit too eager at times... |
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| 13:05:13 | preglow | perhaps the easiest option would be linking libspeex with rbutil |
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| 13:10:56 | * | linuxstb senses libspeex build #4... |
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| 13:11:52 | * | linuxstb has written some plans for viewports and would welcome comments - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/viewports.txt |
| 13:12:54 | preglow | linuxstb: shouldn't rbutilqt be able to use the one we already do? |
| 13:13:48 | linuxstb | We don't create a .a at the moment, just link the .o files with rbspeexenc.o - but that could be changed. |
| 13:14:33 | preglow | and easily too |
| 13:14:38 | linuxstb | Sure. |
| 13:14:53 | preglow | but yeah, it would be easier by far to link rbutilqt with that than bundling anything |
| 13:15:03 | preglow | rbspeexenc.c should be easily adaptable |
| 13:15:33 | preglow | but i'd need to talk to some rbutil person |
| 13:15:53 | linuxstb | What's the current status of speex voice? What are we waiting for before the big commit? |
| 13:16:17 | rasher | getting all the various speech-related tools updated |
| 13:16:55 | preglow | amiconn seems to have voicebox updated somewhat, the in-svn tools work now, so rbutil does remain |
| 13:17:00 | linuxstb | So the actual implementation in Rockbox is commit-ready? |
| 13:17:05 | preglow | i'd say so |
| 13:18:16 | preglow | linuxstb: the viewports proposal looks sweet to me |
| 13:18:22 | linuxstb | What will happen when someone tries an mp3 voicefile ? |
| 13:18:29 | preglow | linuxstb: it won't play, afaik |
| 13:18:30 | preglow | jhMikeS: comments? |
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| 13:24:19 | preglow | what'll happen to talk clips, i don't know, they're just raw files, i bet swcodec will just try to feed them to speex and see what it says |
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| 13:28:27 | linuxstb | Is there any special magic we can look for in the rockbox-specific speex frames to distinguish them from mp3? |
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| 13:31:00 | Falen | Is it the viewers.config file i should edit to associate a file type with my plugin? |
| 13:31:12 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 13:31:14 | preglow | linuxstb: we could look for the mp3 sync word and refuse to play if we find that |
| 13:31:29 | preglow | but that might be a legal speex pattern too... |
| 13:31:41 | Falen | What should I write at the last parameter, "bas,viewers/basint," ? |
| 13:32:35 | PaulJam | Falen: the last parameter is the icon, the wiki about custom iconsets should have some info. |
| 13:33:04 | Falen | Ok |
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| 13:34:15 | linuxstb | Falen: Does basint mean BASIC Interpreter? |
| 13:34:37 | Falen | Yeah. I was planning to convert lua, but instead I'm writing my own |
| 13:38:55 | jhMikeS | preglow: about what? |
| 13:39:28 | jhMikeS | mp3 clips will just error-out and not play if that's what you're asking about |
| 13:42:30 | preglow | error out because speex tried to decode but can't, yeah? |
| 13:44:08 | jhMikeS | yeah...which is as good a metric as anything. if it can't decode that clip, it stops after asking talk.c for more data. it will continue until it consumes everything but nothing will play out. |
| 13:45:12 | jhMikeS | I already fed mp3 voice files to it to check this |
| 13:46:21 | preglow | never got any noise? |
| 13:46:33 | jhMikeS | nope |
| 13:46:34 | preglow | speex isn't really designed to handle stuff like this |
| 13:46:43 | preglow | but if it works it's ok, i guess |
| 13:47:15 | jhMikeS | I don't think a valid emulation from mpa is very likely, if it is...so you get some noise *shrug* |
| 13:47:31 | preglow | we could add a header to talk files, but nah... |
| 13:48:09 | Falen | What is the rockbox max file path? |
| 13:48:11 | jhMikeS | I don't think it's likely to get confused. It won't crash it in any case. |
| 13:48:23 | Falen | * how long can paths be |
| 13:48:40 | jhMikeS | MAX_PATH |
| 13:50:10 | Falen | Ok |
| 13:51:50 | * | jhMikeS suggests snprintf(buf, buflen, "%s", str) instead of strncpy(buf, str, buflen) too |
| 13:52:23 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Why? |
| 13:52:35 | jhMikeS | the NULL-termination issue with strncpy |
| 13:53:31 | jhMikeS | better than strncpy(buf, str, buflen-1); str[buflen-1]= '\0'; imo |
| 13:54:00 | linuxstb | Maybe we need something like strncpy_safe(), which always does that? |
| 13:54:11 | Lear | Even better would be strlcpy... |
| 13:54:26 | Lear | Which is a safe version of strncpy. |
| 13:54:44 | jhMikeS | well, if a standardized one exists, use that one of course |
| 13:55:30 | * | linuxstb reads the "Controversy" paragraph here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strlcpy |
| 13:56:02 | Lear | The OpenBSD version sounds good then. |
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| 13:58:10 | jhMikeS | yeah, someone always complains but it's better than lack of NULLs from a full buffer. |
| 13:59:41 | jhMikeS | probably need a UTF-8 safe version that won't split mulibyte characters too. |
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| 14:01:44 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Did you see my link to my "viewports.txt" description of how viewports could work? |
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| 14:03:08 | jhMikeS | no |
| 14:03:26 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/viewports.txt |
| 14:03:49 | jhMikeS | I also have an idea to use TLS to store a current viewport...each thread gets it's own current one...then no issues and no extra parameter. |
| 14:03:52 | linuxstb | I would welcome feedback (I expect you'll disagree with everything, as it's more or less how amiconn has described how he wanted them...) |
| 14:04:30 | * | preglow vanishes |
| 14:09:10 | Dark_Apostrophe | I think I found a bug in rockbox |
| 14:09:33 | Dark_Apostrophe | While listening to a podcast, I wanted to try the mandelbrot set plugin out |
| 14:09:45 | Dark_Apostrophe | I zoomed as far as I possibly coul |
| 14:09:47 | Dark_Apostrophe | d |
| 14:09:54 | Dark_Apostrophe | At some point, the screen went black |
| 14:10:00 | Dark_Apostrophe | But playback didn't stop |
| 14:10:08 | Dark_Apostrophe | None of the buttons were responding to anything |
| 14:10:10 | jhMikeS | not everything...pretty much what's in my head about the structs. add a struct viewport *powner; to struct viewport and it's perfect. if it has no parent, it has an on-screen clipping region. |
| 14:10:26 | Dark_Apostrophe | I had to push the battery slider to turn the player off |
| 14:10:36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone else try this and see if they get the same problem? |
| 14:10:42 | Dark_Apostrophe | I got a Toshiba F20 |
| 14:11:00 | linuxstb | Dark_Apostrophe: Can you reliably repeat it yourself? |
| 14:11:10 | Dark_Apostrophe | linuxstb: I'll give it a try |
| 14:11:50 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Why would a viewport need a parent? |
| 14:13:16 | jhMikeS | because an owned viewport would exist pasted to its parent and it's visible area would be the intersection of its bounding rectangle with its parent's visible area (part not overlapped by other unowned viewports) |
| 14:13:59 | linuxstb | Why? |
| 14:14:03 | jhMikeS | iow, no extra clipping data is required for those. |
| 14:14:03 | Dark_Apostrophe | linuxstb: Ok, something else happened now - the screen went all red instead of all black, but it does still respond to buttons. :/ |
| 14:14:18 | Dark_Apostrophe | It seems that when you go very deep into the mandelbrot set, the plugin chokes |
| 14:14:19 | jhMikeS | because I want to have this not be half-baked |
| 14:14:21 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I mean what can you achieve with that that you can't achieve without it? |
| 14:14:54 | jhMikeS | a splash that doesn't get overwritten by drawing going on underneath it for example... |
| 14:17:12 | jhMikeS | the ideas there don't really prohibit extending things to that either |
| 14:17:38 | Dark_Apostrophe | linuxstb: Could you give it a try please? |
| 14:17:56 | Dark_Apostrophe | linuxstb: Go as deep into the mandelbrot set as you can and see if it chokes in one way or another |
| 14:17:58 | linuxstb | I don't follow this at all - so how would this work inside the LCD driver? My idea is that the LCD driver only ever knows about the current viewport, and doesn't care about others. Are you implying that the LCD driver would need to know about all viewports? |
| 14:19:16 | jhMikeS | you're saying in this it won't know about them at all? |
| 14:19:55 | linuxstb | I'm saying it only knows about the current viewport. |
| 14:20:00 | jhMikeS | same here |
| 14:20:23 | linuxstb | But you talked about "unowned viewports" - how would the lcd driver know about those? |
| 14:20:27 | jhMikeS | maybe the owner if one, that's it |
| 14:21:16 | jhMikeS | it would know by way of the owner pointer in struct viewport |
| 14:21:45 | linuxstb | So in your example of the splash, how would the viewports be defined? |
| 14:22:06 | Falen | Isn't there a way to access files in the simulator? |
| 14:22:44 | jhMikeS | as an unowned viewport with a NULL parent (probably not for a delay 0 which would use global or arbitrary owner) |
| 14:23:42 | Falen | Is there any documentation on the read_line function? |
| 14:23:50 | linuxstb | OK, so how does the LCD driver know not to overwrite that viewport when drawing into the area behind it? |
| 14:23:51 | jhMikeS | that leaves several ways to do something simply implicit in the logic |
| 14:24:27 | Lear | Falen: See the comment for it in misc.c |
| 14:24:28 | jhMikeS | it looks up the rectangle bands that make up the region and splits the drawing operation...pretty normal stuff |
| 14:24:47 | linuxstb | What rectangle bands - where are they defined? |
| 14:25:49 | Falen | Ok |
| 14:25:54 | jhMikeS | it's global to the screen, all rects that make up one viewport are connected together. they're computed when an unowned viewport move, is shown/hidden |
| 14:26:10 | Falen | Isn't there a function for reading the whole file into the buffer? |
| 14:27:12 | jhMikeS | if the number of overlapped ports is limited, so is the region complexity and the rectangle pool can have a reasonable size |
| 14:28:08 | Lear | Falen: read? |
| 14:28:25 | Lear | I.e., the function read... :) |
| 14:28:39 | Falen | found it :) |
| 14:28:51 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: So what manages this rectangle pool? The LCD driver code? |
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| 14:29:32 | jhMikeS | the main thread I think would be enough |
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| 14:30:48 | Falen | How do you get a files size then? |
| 14:31:40 | rasher | Falen: just keep reading until read returns less than what you requested |
| 14:31:51 | rasher | (I believe) |
| 14:31:56 | jhMikeS | be mindful that blitting into the bands doen not require checking visibility on every pixel since the bands are sort l->r, t->b. some have doubted me on this so I'll just to prove that one. :) |
| 14:32:58 | Falen | And read appends data to the buffer? |
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| 14:33:28 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Do you still intend there to be a single lcd_framebuffer[] or for each viewport to have its own storage? |
| 14:34:05 | jhMikeS | one framebuffer |
| 14:34:25 | linuxstb | Falen: Look in apps/plugin.h for the available functions - filesize() is there... |
| 14:34:56 | linuxstb | Falen: And read() is just the standard read function - ssize_t read(int fd, void *buf, size_t count); |
| 14:35:25 | amiconn | Imho anything that goes beyond simple rectangular viewports would be overkill for an embedded system and cause unacceptable slowdowns and binary size increase |
| 14:35:27 | jhMikeS | that's the point, no backbuffer is required |
| 14:35:37 | jhMikeS | eh, ok |
| 14:36:12 | jhMikeS | I disagree, on points 1 and 2, point 3, perhaps not so bad |
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| 14:36:27 | amiconn | Simple rectangles can be implemented at nearly zero cost, as the drawing functions already do clipping |
| 14:37:29 | amiconn | Anything beyond that needs complex checks while drawing, potentially for every pixel (worst case) |
| 14:39:14 | Falen | Ok |
| 14:39:34 | Falen | I can't find the filesize function you're talking about |
| 14:40:05 | jhMikeS | nope, they really don't and checking would be usually one check per complete operation |
| 14:41:08 | amiconn | linuxstb: Your design draft looks pretty much like I imagined viewports. Didn't check the later parts in detail, as I don't have much time atm. |
| 14:41:23 | linuxstb | Falen: It's in apps/plugin.h - which is the plugin API. So you would do n = rb->filesize(fd); |
| 14:42:04 | linuxstb | amiconn: Well, it's more or less what you've described your vision of viewports to be anyway. I was just trying to flesh out the details... |
| 14:42:18 | Falen | Aha, Ok |
| 14:42:19 | jhMikeS | for a viewport that has a simple region (definitely one in the foreground), it's one rectangle intersection between the owner and the child |
| 14:42:24 | Falen | off_t (*PREFIX(filesize))(int fd) |
| 14:42:58 | amiconn | Just a minor point is that lcd_default_viewport() isn't necessary as a separate function; my idea was that lcd_set_viewport(NULL) would do this |
| 14:43:02 | Falen | I don't get that, what does it mean with prefix? |
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| 14:43:52 | amiconn | The default viewport would exist as a static const like all others, but live in the lcd driver. lcd_set_viewport() would just check for NULL and replace it with the default viewport address |
| 14:44:10 | linuxstb | Falen: Ignore it - it's just some magic that's needed for the simulator, to use the Rockbox versions of functions, and not the system versions. In your plugin, you always just do rb->filesize() |
| 14:44:31 | Falen | Ok |
| 14:44:54 | linuxstb | amiconn: That's something I wasn't sure about - how can the viewport structs be const, if their contents are changed by things like lcd_set_drawmode() ? |
| 14:45:02 | amiconn | The backdrop handling is an interesting point. I agree that the first version should keep it global |
| 14:45:44 | amiconn | AH, right - they can't be const |
| 14:46:18 | n1s | linuxstb: can a viewport be moved? |
| 14:46:27 | amiconn | x, y, width and height should be declared const though (iirc that's possible even if the whole struct is not const) |
| 14:46:28 | jhMikeS | this implementation will allow extension to the clipped version anyway, so I'll just wait for step 1, then do step 2 to prove it out making any needed asjustments. |
| 14:46:36 | linuxstb | And I'm expecting they'll be user-definable via the config file - I was thinking of something like mainmenu_viewport: x,y,width,height,.... in the config.cfg file |
| 14:47:47 | amiconn | Hmm, or not - but the scrolling code might not like if a viewport it uses is resized or moved |
| 14:48:04 | linuxstb | viewports would also need to be moved depending on settings - e.g. if the status bar is disabled, then everything else grows to take up the space. |
| 14:48:42 | jhMikeS | heh, most of what you're proposing there requires clipping anyway to really work |
| 14:48:44 | linuxstb | For the scrolling code, I'm suggesting a viewport struct is stored in scroll_info (not a pointer to it) |
| 14:48:54 | amiconn | Button bar should definitely use one viewport per button, even if we don't want scrolling, just to make it auto-clip properly |
| 14:49:06 | amiconn | And the status bar should have its own viewport too |
| 14:49:29 | amiconn | linuxstb: Then those 'child viewports' need to remember their parents |
| 14:49:42 | linuxstb | Why? |
| 14:49:43 | jhMikeS | one pointer |
| 14:50:07 | amiconn | linuxstb: If th eparent viewport is cleared, the scrolling lines in it must be cleared too |
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| 14:51:51 | amiconn | Otherwise you won't have a way to get rid of scrolling text |
| 14:52:36 | jhMikeS | they should store visiblity state |
| 14:52:39 | amiconn | Right now scrolling text is onl removed in 2 cases: (1) if lcd_puts_scroll() is used to put text on a line and it doesn't need to scroll. (2) when calling lcd_clear_screen() |
| 14:53:24 | amiconn | This works fairly well for line based scroll text, but won't work for viewports |
| 14:53:31 | oblib | amiconn, do you know if any devices use ide1 as well as ide0? |
| 14:54:07 | * | jhMikeS must be on /ignore now ... but nontheless knows all this special casing is unneeded |
| 14:54:13 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK, I obviously need to read the existing scrolling code more - I'm not familiar with all the details. |
| 14:55:07 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: What special casing? |
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| 14:56:07 | jhMikeS | worrying about scrollers or not. viewports should just have a visibility flag, the user of the scrollers should show or hide them. |
| 14:57:04 | amiconn | You still need a way to get rid of scrolling text |
| 14:58:07 | amiconn | And if the scrolling code copies viewports, these child viewports need to remember their parent, as you obviously can't do it the other way round |
| 14:58:42 | jhMikeS | why treat them like pixels (in a way). they're widgets really. |
| 14:58:49 | amiconn | But I think copying isn't necessary, referencing should be enough |
| 14:59:11 | Nico_P | linuxstb: nice doc about viewports |
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| 15:00:05 | Falen | I just tried to make a normal build, and this came up, The compiler you must use (arm-elf-gcc) is not in your path! |
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| 15:00:16 | jhMikeS | how many viewports should be allowed? I thought there should just be a pool of structs not pre-allocated for a particular use. |
| 15:00:34 | linuxstb | The apps/ code declares as many viewport structs as it wants. |
| 15:00:36 | n1s | Falen: fix your path. |
| 15:00:47 | linuxstb | Falen: Or install the compiler... |
| 15:00:55 | n1s | or more correctly PATH |
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| 15:01:22 | Nico_P | linuxstb: about ?% C<%VA|%VB>... that means veiwports would be drawn when the corresponding %V tag is encountered |
| 15:01:31 | oblib | Falen, export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/arm-elf/bin |
| 15:01:46 | Nico_P | linuxstb: ... and that conflicts with what you say ealrier about the order |
| 15:03:45 | jhMikeS | for threading I could save a ton of bytes by letting thread structs be caller-allocated. no unused structures in the core need exist and they tend to be dedicated to a particular one-time use anyway. |
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| 15:05:07 | Falen | Yeah. That did this trick |
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| 15:05:25 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I think what I want to achieve is that viewports would be rendered in order (A-Z), but the visibility of viewports, and maybe the size/location/other features could be controlled by conditionals in some way. |
| 15:05:40 | oblib | Falen, that will happen every time you reboot unless you put it in a config file somewhere |
| 15:05:49 | oblib | /etc/bash.bashrc or ~/.bashrc |
| 15:06:00 | linuxstb | But maybe the order of rendering doesn't matter, as the intention is that there is no need for them to overlap. |
| 15:07:14 | Falen | I edited \etc\profile |
| 15:08:04 | * | jhMikeS will continue to think if there's some other even more efficient way to allow defined overlapping than rectangle bands. |
| 15:08:23 | Falen | Now I got some very strange errors |
| 15:08:46 | Falen | http://pastebin.com/m6135ecfb |
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| 15:12:08 | gfather | hello guys |
| 15:12:17 | jhMikeS | man, but you can do clipped drawing nearly as fast as non-clipped with them |
| 15:12:23 | gfather | i need some help pleas |
| 15:12:25 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I'm just not convinced overlapping is useful. Apart from the example of the splash staying visibile whilst the underlying screen continues to refresh, is there anything else? |
| 15:12:34 | gfather | i have rockboc for sometime now and its grea |
| 15:12:35 | gfather | t |
| 15:12:56 | gfather | and i want to add video support for it |
| 15:13:05 | Bagder | linuxstb: getting the menu system in "popup"-style on top of the WPS and similar I guess |
| 15:13:23 | gfather | do i change the rockbox version i have , or just add the video support |
| 15:13:33 | linuxstb | Yes, but doesn't that mean two threads? Or would the menu code call the wps_refresh() function? |
| 15:13:53 | Bagder | good question... |
| 15:13:55 | linuxstb | gfather: Rockbox already has video support - all you need to do is copy your videos to it... |
| 15:13:55 | n1s | gfather: update to the latest, then read the MpegPlayer wiki page |
| 15:14:27 | gfather | n1s oks ill try to |
| 15:14:36 | jhMikeS | lunxstb: it's useful for basically everything I've looked at there |
| 15:14:42 | oblib | Falen, that is a strange error. Did svn complete? did you run configure and everything? It should just compile unless you changed something |
| 15:15:32 | n1s | Falen: try make clean |
| 15:16:08 | jhMikeS | pop-up dialogs? pop-up menu? statusbar? pretty much needed in order to have good results. |
| 15:16:11 | linuxstb | Falen: Did you previously compile a sim in the same build directory? |
| 15:16:20 | Falen | Yeah |
| 15:17:05 | gfather | guys there is an auto installer , anybody know where i can get it from |
| 15:17:06 | gfather | ? |
| 15:17:59 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: What would the statusbar overlap? As for pop-up dialogs and menus, you seem to be implying a multi-threaded UI? |
| 15:19:40 | n1s | gfather: http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/ |
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| 15:19:54 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: you mentioned those in viewports.txt |
| 15:19:54 | gfather | thanks |
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| 15:21:19 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Yes, but if the screen behind doesn't refresh, you don't need any special support for overlapping viewports - the calling screen just refreshes all of its viewports when the pop-up has closed, in the same way it does now. |
| 15:21:50 | Falen | I updated the svn, and cleared the build dir and now it compiled fine |
| 15:21:59 | jhMikeS | exactly...but this way they can and there will be no restriction on scrollers continuing to run while a menu is shown |
| 15:23:53 | linuxstb | Yes, keeping the background scrolling lines scrolling would be nice... |
| 15:24:57 | linuxstb | Although I think that's only useful when the WPS is the background screen - no need to scroll the currently selected list item. |
| 15:26:16 | linuxstb | But then if the WPS isn't being refreshed, it might look better for it to be frozen in time, rather than to appear to still be active.... |
| 15:29:42 | jhMikeS | what makes it inactive if it's still visible and the popup is really part of it? |
| 15:30:49 | linuxstb | The info in the WPS won't be being redrawn (elapsed time, current track etc) when the popup is active. |
| 15:35:02 | oblib | Where is the logfile written if logf is enabled? |
| 15:35:24 | jhMikeS | bah, but it can have a much nicer touch. just need to get out of the procedural/100% modal model here. I know it's easier to get this going that way but shouldn't be the end-all of it. Being hasty in implementing clipping could result in suboptimal implementation but ideas come out from talking about it. |
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| 15:38:22 | jhMikeS | I find the subject more interesting myself if there's actually a challenging aspect to it. How do I meet every goal on my checklist in an very economical manner (with an emphasis on drawing speed)? |
| 15:45:10 | oblib | Is debug mode broken? I get gui/wps_debug.c:475: error: ‘wps_verbose_level’ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 15:46:09 | linuxstb | oblib: The logfile isn't written, it's just stored in a memory buffer you can view/save via the debug menu. |
| 15:46:19 | oblib | ah thanks |
| 15:46:38 | Falen | The strlen function, is it in any special library? |
| 15:46:48 | oblib | In that case I probably don't need debug enabled |
| 15:47:14 | gfather | hay guys |
| 15:47:26 | gfather | can i get avi support in rockbox ? |
| 15:47:39 | oblib | falen try #include <string.h> |
| 15:47:39 | linuxstb | Falen: It's in the plugin API - rb->strlen() (everything you can access is there...) |
| 15:47:50 | oblib | nm |
| 15:48:10 | Falen | Ok |
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| 15:48:30 | gfather | can i get avi support in rockbox ? |
| 15:48:44 | n1s | gfather: unless you make it yourself, no |
| 15:49:07 | gfather | only mpeg support ? |
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| 15:49:28 | PaulJam | gfather: rockbox is opensource, so start working on it. i think there is even an xvid decoder on the tracker |
| 15:49:29 | n1s | I also guess you don't have mpeg2 in avi files so you will also need a whole new video decoder... |
| 15:50:00 | n1s | gfather: that wiki page makes it quite clear that it's mpeg 1 and 2 only |
| 15:50:17 | gfather | i know |
| 15:50:29 | gfather | but somewhere i read the avi support |
| 15:50:35 | gfather | not on rockbox site |
| 15:50:37 | jhMikeS | xvid decoder? hmmm. want AVI containers? |
| 15:50:45 | n1s | (in this case) the wiki doesn't lie) |
| 15:51:42 | n1s | jhMikeS: someone posted an xvid decoder long before work on mpegplayer was started |
| 15:52:16 | linuxstb | It's not very useful - very little work was done apart from getting libxvid to compile. |
| 15:52:36 | linuxstb | And the plugin is huge - it doesn't fit in 512KB... |
| 15:53:21 | jhMikeS | that's not good |
| 15:53:25 | linuxstb | But it would be interesting to see how exactly how fast xvid would be, compared to libmpeg2. |
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| 15:54:11 | linuxstb | I would guess ffmpeg's xvid decoder would be a better basis, but I for one am not going to attempt to extract it... |
| 15:54:19 | jhMikeS | libmpeg2 is pretty speedy I think. some overly general stuff was pulled out |
| 15:55:16 | n1s | how does xvid compare to mpeg2 for decoding speed? |
| 15:55:26 | gfather | can i download the xvid pluggin to test ? |
| 15:55:36 | n1s | gfather: it doesn't work |
| 15:55:38 | linuxstb | n1s: That's the question... |
| 15:55:59 | jhMikeS | if it doesn't fit in 512KB you'll need to custom build with a larger plugin buffer |
| 15:56:35 | gfather | what should fit in 512 ? |
| 15:56:36 | linuxstb | n1s: I think it's agreed it will be slower than mpeg2, but no-one has ever suggested by how much. |
| 15:57:33 | linuxstb | gfather: The xvid plugin doesn't do anything - it just decodes frames and displays a count of how many it has decoded. And it's very old, so would probably need work to even make it build any more. |
| 15:57:36 | n1s | linuxstb: hmm, one of the last comments state that he got it to output to the screen at 2fps fullscreen on h300... |
| 15:58:14 | gfather | well it will be very usfull for others too |
| 15:58:17 | linuxstb | n1s: Any mention of iram use? |
| 15:58:27 | linuxstb | I'm guessing it was _very_ unoptimised. |
| 15:58:27 | gfather | as avi/xvid are most popular now |
| 15:58:43 | jhMikeS | what FS task? |
| 15:59:05 | n1s | FS #2848 |
| 15:59:17 | linuxstb | gfather: Don't forget that Rockbox won't be able to decode high resolution xvid streams, so you will need to resize it to the size of the LCD anyway. Which more or less makes the original format irrelevant... |
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| 15:59:27 | n1s | it also seems attachments are gone from the comments |
| 15:59:50 | jhMikeS | weird, I searched xvid and got nothing |
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| 16:00:00 | n1s | jhMikeS: it's closed |
| 16:00:10 | jhMikeS | yeah, just noticed :P |
| 16:01:05 | jhMikeS | well, YUV conversion is optimized and in the core so things aren't what they once were 2 years ago |
| 16:02:03 | * | linuxstb hopes jhMikeS doesn't get distracted with the idea of xvid... ;) |
| 16:02:10 | * | PaulJam propably shouldn't have mentioned the xvid decoder |
| 16:02:11 | n1s | the iriver of does 10 fps so i guess we could at least get that :) |
| 16:02:14 | * | preglow reappears |
| 16:03:03 | jhMikeS | haha...ADHD...too easily distrated |
| 16:03:18 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: You're not the only one... |
| 16:03:36 | * | linuxstb should go back to arguing about viewports |
| 16:04:04 | * | Soap passes out the Dexedrine |
| 16:04:11 | * | linuxstb decides to go out food shopping instead |
| 16:04:25 | jhMikeS | looks like the idct in there could share with libmpeg2 |
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| 16:07:20 | gfather | ok guys what about wmv :) |
| 16:07:28 | gfather | just asking :) |
| 16:07:54 | oblib | open source *jukebox* firmware! jukebox means audio ;) |
| 16:08:29 | preglow | oblib: hi, you the guy with the ipod ide patch? |
| 16:08:31 | * | jhMikeS has seen jukeboxes in restaurants that play videos |
| 16:08:33 | preglow | nano, tha tis |
| 16:08:42 | oblib | preglow, yeah |
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| 16:08:46 | preglow | oblib: where'd you find that info? |
| 16:08:57 | oblib | ipl hardware wiki |
| 16:09:16 | oblib | http://ipodlinux.org/PP5020 |
| 16:09:43 | Falen | Is there any print command for plugins? |
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| 16:11:07 | jhMikeS | ok, MPEG4 will wait but it could be doable (just a semi-naiive guess) |
| 16:11:37 | n1s | Falen: check what other plugins do |
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| 16:13:14 | jhMikeS | preglow: is there any progress on voicebox? only that tool is lagging? |
| 16:13:16 | maraz | Hello. |
| 16:13:42 | oblib | hey maraz, I'm still confused about what you did exactly |
| 16:14:10 | maraz | Actually, I might have found a cure for my problem. |
| 16:14:16 | oblib | oh? |
| 16:14:19 | maraz | I'm copying files as we speak, it'll take a few minutes |
| 16:14:40 | Falen | Found the printf function (hopefully it works like in a console app) |
| 16:15:08 | oblib | Falen, logf can be used if you enable it in configure. Not useful for crashes though |
| 16:15:19 | maraz | oblib: The bug gets progressively worse as the device heats up, and it heats up A LOT when copying files. So, I figured that cooling the device while plugged in might just do the trick. |
| 16:15:38 | maraz | Long story short, my nano is now under a metal plate with ice on top. |
| 16:16:04 | oblib | maraz, are you copying in the Apple firmware (turn hold on after a reboot)? |
| 16:16:22 | maraz | I was under the impression that rockbox uses the apple firmware for all USB activity? |
| 16:16:36 | oblib | yeah, but the hold version copies much faster |
| 16:16:41 | maraz | Hmm, that is true. |
| 16:17:11 | Falen | So logf works just like printf or? |
| 16:17:27 | oblib | maraz, the problem is that temperature shouldn't matter for anything you do in Apple firmware |
| 16:17:50 | n1s | Falen: logf is only available for debug builds |
| 16:18:08 | maraz | oblib: Better safe than sorry :) |
| 16:18:09 | oblib | Falen, find a sample usage (in speex.c for example). It creates a log you can view from the debug menu |
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| 16:18:17 | jhMikeS | oblib: within some limits of course :) |
| 16:18:34 | oblib | jhMikeS, of course! |
| 16:18:42 | oblib | ;) |
| 16:18:52 | Falen | Ok |
| 16:19:04 | oblib | maraz, are you formatting from windows? |
| 16:19:11 | oblib | when you format that is |
| 16:19:23 | maraz | Yes. |
| 16:20:04 | oblib | maraz, then you copied a valid .rockbox folder over? Note that the .zip file I posted does not have fonts |
| 16:20:19 | maraz | Yep (and added nedora-9 for iCatcher). |
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| 16:20:53 | oblib | and then when you started up rockbox, you got the "No .rockbox directory - installation incomplete" |
| 16:21:02 | maraz | Yes. |
| 16:21:18 | maraz | Then I changed to r13390 and it worked perfectly after cooling it down. |
| 16:21:58 | maraz | There, done installing your build again. |
| 16:22:02 | maraz | Moment of truth... |
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| 16:23:01 | Falen | Now I'm confused, if I want to print out strings on the screen like a console, what function should I use? |
| 16:23:20 | n1s | lcd_puts |
| 16:23:40 | maraz | oblib: And it works! |
| 16:24:26 | oblib | Still on ice? |
| 16:24:41 | maraz | Settings are saved and there is absolutely no glitching. I'll need to test it longer though, so the device has a chance to heat up and do a few power cycles. I'll probably be able to tell today/tomorrow whether this is a definitive fix for the problem. |
| 16:25:06 | maraz | CPU is running at 30/80MHz. |
| 16:25:15 | oblib | You could always stick it in your armpit to speed things up... ;) |
| 16:25:25 | maraz | Or somewhere else, yow. |
| 16:25:36 | Falen | So there isn't a magic function that just takes one parameter, and prints the strings out under eachother? |
| 16:25:48 | n1s | Falen: no |
| 16:26:04 | Falen | Ok |
| 16:27:58 | maraz | oblib: Nope - power cycling lost the settings again. |
| 16:28:12 | n1s | Falen: as I told you already look at the other plugins, stopwatch does that for example |
| 16:28:13 | maraz | Could be device dependent, my nano is close to 2 years old... |
| 16:28:55 | n1s | maraz: how do you power cycle? are you letting rockbox shut down properly? |
| 16:29:01 | maraz | yes. |
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| 16:29:27 | maraz | Interestingly, forcebooting at this time with menu+select found the theme but not the font (i have a menu with the correct theme but no text whatsoever). |
| 16:29:46 | maraz | So the settings are there, but they're not getting loaded correctly. |
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| 16:30:37 | oblib | maraz, this whole bug is device dependant, but I don't understand why things would be messed up in USB mode for the file copy. If it continues to not work after your nano warms back up, I'd guess this patch only partially fixes the problem, and you have an "extra special" nano |
| 16:30:56 | maraz | Indeed... |
| 16:31:09 | maraz | As I previously mentioned, I have glitches using pre-14003 builds |
| 16:31:39 | maraz | It could be that the flash drive is slowly creeping towards its grave... |
| 16:31:57 | oblib | If I left my nano in the car all day, I would get skips in files on the way home (with a build from May). I won't now until next summer whether this patch fixes that or not. |
| 16:32:16 | oblib | *now=know |
| 16:32:33 | kugel | Who's jens arnold here? |
| 16:33:03 | n1s | kugel: he's amiconn, but we have an IrcNicks wiki page... |
| 16:33:12 | kugel | Oh really? |
| 16:33:43 | kugel | Oh yea, found it. THanks |
| 16:33:59 | kugel | amiconn: Are you there? |
| 16:34:15 | maraz | oblib: interestingly, the cooler my nano gets, the better it works at boot |
| 16:34:29 | oblib | maraz, define "better" |
| 16:35:01 | maraz | oblib: I just let it sit for a few minutes under the ice (while it was running and displaying the default theme menu = settings not loaded), forcebooted, and it loaded my theme and settings just fine. |
| 16:35:45 | maraz | Cooling it seems to be a temporary and very, very awkward fix. |
| 16:35:49 | preglow | jhMikeS: ask amiconn |
| 16:35:54 | preglow | jhMikeS: turns out we need to fix rbutil too |
| 16:36:04 | preglow | jhMikeS: he had big parts of voicebox working, but not all, afaik |
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| 16:36:48 | oblib | maraz, If it gets to the point where it's not saving settings again, one thing you could do would be to change a setting and see if it actually was written in .rockbox/config.cfg |
| 16:37:01 | maraz | oblib: it is saving settings, probably was all the way. |
| 16:37:15 | maraz | oblib: the problem is that it's not _loading_ settings, probably related to something that is done at startup |
| 16:37:32 | oblib | maraz, do you think it just was not reading the file correctly? Or not even trying at all? |
| 16:38:05 | maraz | oblib: well, it might just use defaults or try and load the theme and fail loading the font either partially (= corruption) or altogether (= no text). |
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| 16:38:15 | maraz | Or, when cooled, work fine. |
| 16:38:43 | oblib | maraz, can you compile? |
| 16:39:04 | maraz | technically yes, i don't have a compiler on this computer at the moment though |
| 16:39:36 | maraz | don't have time for it at the moment, i really have to get some food :) i'll be back in 30-45mins |
| 16:39:41 | me | can someone please help me out with a bricked sansa e200? |
| 16:39:53 | oblib | maraz, sure. I should probably eat too |
| 16:40:18 | jhMikeS | preglow: isn't it just a choice for the encoder? that seems easy to fix (and ugh I hate VBScript but will take one for the team) |
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| 16:43:32 | oblib | is jmspeex here? |
| 16:49:38 | preglow | probably sleeping now |
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| 16:56:06 | me | does anyone have any knowledge of Sansa players? |
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| 16:57:33 | jhMikeS | me: possibly, probably, certainly someone, somewhere |
| 16:57:37 | bluebrother | me: just ask your question |
| 16:57:55 | preglow | jhMikeS: you should ask amiconn what's up anyway, he had the primaries working, but something involving dragging and dropping did not |
| 16:58:39 | jhMikeS | preglow: If I see him around, yeah |
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| 16:59:14 | me | I have a dd image of my sansa drive, all of it (the /dev/sdb) but the sansa itself is corrupted/bricked and has no filesystem/boot loader etc... how can I get a /dev/sd* assigned to it so I can put the dd image back on it? |
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| 17:00:10 | me | is that even possible? or do I need to buy a new sansa? |
| 17:00:26 | bluebrother | check the unbrick wiki page |
| 17:00:36 | bluebrother | there are a couple of recovery modes in the sansa. |
| 17:00:43 | me | I did, most of them assume that there is a filesystem on the sansa |
| 17:01:17 | jhMikeS | me: what does that mean? |
| 17:01:38 | preglow | jhMikeS: as for rbutil, i'm planning to integrate rbspeexenc into that |
| 17:01:41 | jhMikeS | have you even tried recovery mode |
| 17:01:53 | me | yes it did nothing |
| 17:02:13 | me | as far as I can tell there is no data of any kind on the sansa, no filesystem, no filesystem tables, nothing |
| 17:02:25 | jhMikeS | preglow: is looks mosly like a preset selection job with the addition of an encoder build |
| 17:02:42 | me | and of course the system OS is gone too |
| 17:02:45 | jhMikeS | sounds like an e200tool job |
| 17:03:50 | me | the e200tool can restore the bootloader, how do i get everything else back? |
| 17:03:50 | * | jhMikeS can't imagine how to get it into that condition though |
| 17:04:23 | me | primarily the system firmware |
| 17:05:29 | jhMikeS | e200tool can't rebuild the partitions? |
| 17:05:56 | krazykit | me, after putting the bootloader, you should be able to get into recovery mode. |
| 17:06:34 | maraz | oblib: So, what compiler should I use and where can I get the source? |
| 17:06:35 | jhMikeS | if it's as messed up as it sounds, not sure but I can't imaging you could wipe it that clean |
| 17:07:05 | me | krazy: even if the device is full of 0's for data? |
| 17:07:14 | jhMikeS | how do you know that? |
| 17:07:36 | oblib | maraz, you'll need the arm one, see the wiki on compiling. I don't really have any changes to offer yet though. What's your nano's status? |
| 17:07:40 | preglow | bluebrother: do you do any rbutil hacking? |
| 17:07:42 | me | because someone had a brilliant idea of formatting it |
| 17:07:57 | jhMikeS | I've formatted mine |
| 17:08:35 | maraz | oblib: It plays fine and at least for now cycles fine. Probably goes back to losing settings when it gets warm, though. |
| 17:08:37 | jhMikeS | but did they somehow destroy the partitions in the process? |
| 17:08:46 | me | ok, so I start sansa in factory setting, load the bootloader through e200tool, and from then the recovery mode should work? |
| 17:08:54 | me | yup, the paritions are gone |
| 17:08:59 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:10:26 | jhMikeS | is the dd a full dump across all partitions? |
| 17:11:04 | me | yes the dd has all the partitions |
| 17:11:16 | me | if only i could get a /dev/sdb again for it, I could put it all back |
| 17:11:30 | me | but linux doesn't think sansa is a hard drive |
| 17:12:26 | jhMikeS | that's the part I don't know...and why it would need to think it is a hard drive or if some other way to mount it exists. /me not linux guru |
| 17:12:30 | krazykit | it isn't |
| 17:12:42 | krazykit | the OF exports the drives |
| 17:13:06 | me | and if the OF is gone? |
| 17:13:44 | krazykit | that's where e200tool comes in. have you tried manufacuring mode and then recovering the firmware after that? |
| 17:13:46 | jhMikeS | must be a way to raw dump to the flash...I can't imagine it's truely briked but might be tricky |
| 17:14:50 | me | krazykit: I have the e200tool, but I cannot find anywhere of how I would restore the firmware - I only know how to restore the bootloader |
| 17:15:05 | krazykit | me, once you restore the bootloader, it should dump you into recovery mode |
| 17:15:53 | me | krazykit: once i restore the bootloader, nothing happens |
| 17:16:04 | jhMikeS | yeah, e200tool loads up a bootloader and executes it |
| 17:17:08 | krazykit | me, ah, then after recovering the bootloader, turn on lock and hold down record while it reboots. that SHOULD put you into recovery mode |
| 17:17:38 | krazykit | in recovery mode, try touch sansa.fmt in the drive that you should be able to mount |
| 17:18:01 | krazykit | according to the wiki, sansa.fmt makes the player reformat the drive. |
| 17:18:53 | jhMikeS | krazykit: that restores the partition info? interesting |
| 17:19:24 | krazykit | the wiki claims it remakes the partitions and formats them |
| 17:20:07 | * | jhMikeS rarely has to do any fancy recoveries on devices |
| 17:23:14 | bluebrother | preglow: currently not −− I don't have internet at home :( |
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| 17:23:54 | oblib | maraz, you there? |
| 17:24:04 | bluebrother | and that situation most likely won't change until january :'-( |
| 17:24:05 | me | krazykit: I turned the lock on, held down the Rec, and turned it on. There is still nothing to mount |
| 17:24:21 | me | it is not picked up as a mountable device |
| 17:24:24 | jhMikeS | preglow: just put a rbspeexenc make in there. add some decoder presets, associate the presets with the right target (it looks pretty basic) |
| 17:24:55 | maraz | oblib: Yep, installing cygwin as we speak. |
| 17:25:11 | maraz | oblib: Is the IDE0 register bit set at boot time? |
| 17:25:15 | krazykit | me, strange. gimme a minute please |
| 17:25:27 | me | sure |
| 17:26:17 | oblib | maraz, not sure. |
| 17:26:31 | maraz | oblib: I don't know anything about the bootloader, but perhaps the device needs to be booted up at 30MHz and the flag not set. |
| 17:27:22 | oblib | If you get to where you can compile, try changing my 0x10000000 to 0x30000000 and see if that makes a difference |
| 17:27:45 | maraz | I'll try. |
| 17:27:49 | maraz | What does it do? |
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| 17:28:24 | oblib | there are two bits 10000000 does > 65 MHz, and 20000000 means > 50 MHz. Maybe they both need to be set |
| 17:29:46 | krazykit | me, so you can recover the bootloader, correct? |
| 17:31:11 | me | I run e200tool i2cprogram i2c.bin, and that seems to do something succesfully, but it makes no difference in the end. |
| 17:31:24 | krazykit | that's not the bootloader. |
| 17:31:34 | me | the bootloader is the ROM file? |
| 17:31:43 | krazykit | you want e200tool recover BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom |
| 17:32:14 | krazykit | when you execute that, hold down Record and keep holding it down until the sansa finishes rebooting, where you SHOULD see the message about being in recovery mode. |
| 17:32:14 | me | I tried that, it said: Searching for device 0781:0720 ... 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 not found! |
| 17:32:48 | preglow | linuxstb: around? |
| 17:32:54 | me | i'll try it all again |
| 17:32:55 | linuxstb | I just arrived back... |
| 17:32:56 | krazykit | me, you're using this file: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/1.01.11A/BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom |
| 17:33:20 | preglow | linuxstb: cool, care to offer a quick makefile hack to make it build a libspeex? |
| 17:33:38 | linuxstb | preglow: What is "it" ? rbutilqt? |
| 17:33:49 | preglow | linuxstb: ah, just the rbspeexenc makefile |
| 17:33:50 | linuxstb | Ah, you mean the main rbspeexenc makefile? |
| 17:33:58 | preglow | linuxstb: so that rbutilqt has a nice lib to link with |
| 17:34:17 | krazykit | me, you're doing this as root/sudo, right? |
| 17:34:21 | me | krazykit: I've tried that file and it cant find the device |
| 17:34:25 | me | yes |
| 17:34:31 | linuxstb | me: The only way to access the whole disk in your Sansa as a UMS device is when running the OF. Nothing else gives you access to it, so your backup is useless... |
| 17:34:34 | preglow | i'm going to just make rbutil link directly with the speex stuff, that would be the sanest approach, yes |
| 17:34:38 | preglow | ? |
| 17:34:56 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, sounds sensible to me. I always prefer linking than running external binaries. |
| 17:35:09 | me | linuxstb: yeah i was afraid of that... |
| 17:35:54 | krazykit | me, put it into manufacturer mode and check lsusb. is there a sandisk device listed there? |
| 17:36:18 | me | yes there is |
| 17:36:32 | linuxstb | me: Both the Sansa bootloader and original firmware are stored in the firmware partition on the disk /dev/sdX2 - so if that's wiped the only solution is e200tool to recover it. "Recovery mode" is a feature of the Sansa bootloader, and presents a 16MB (I think) ramdisk via UMS for you to copied bootloader and OF files to. The recovery mode in the bootloader takes care of writing them to the correct location on the disk. I don't know if |
| 17:36:33 | linuxstb | it will repair the partitions as well, but I assume so. |
| 17:36:56 | krazykit | linuxstb, i'm trying to figure out why e200tool isn't finding his sansa |
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| 17:38:16 | me | sudo ./e200tool recover BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom |
| 17:38:16 | me | e200tool v0.2.3-alpha (c) by MrH 2006, 2007 |
| 17:38:16 | me | Searching for device 0781:0720 ... found! |
| 17:38:16 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK me |
| 17:38:16 | me | Initializing USB stub (4780 bytes) ... done! |
| 17:38:16 | me | Writing 'BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom' to address 0x10600000 |
| 17:38:17 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 17:38:17 | me | Searching for device 6666:e200 ... 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 not found! |
| 17:38:17 | preglow | bluebrother: is there a good way to find out if a target is swcodec in rbutil? or is that perhaps an attribute i should add to the targets list in rbutil.ini? |
| 17:38:45 | linuxstb | me: You should hold whatever key is needed to put the bootloader into recovery mode. |
| 17:38:51 | linuxstb | (on your sansa) |
| 17:38:54 | linuxstb | (I think....) |
| 17:39:13 | linuxstb | me: Or just see if you now have access to a 16MB UMS partition. |
| 17:39:16 | oblib | maraz, I've posted a build for you to try if the current one starts failing |
| 17:39:26 | oblib | with the changes I mentioned above |
| 17:39:35 | maraz | thanks, i'll try it |
| 17:39:46 | oblib | err, I was going to but the forum wo' |
| 17:39:50 | oblib | n't let me |
| 17:40:25 | oblib | So I put it on the bug page |
| 17:40:49 | me | still can't get a hold of that partition |
| 17:40:58 | me | in the recovery mode |
| 17:41:35 | oblib | okay now it's there |
| 17:42:02 | bluebrother | preglow: I don't think we have this information available yet, so it's something that should be added IMO |
| 17:42:26 | bluebrother | for the logs: new rbutil linux static build is here: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt-v1.0.3pre.tar.bz2 |
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| 17:43:04 | oblib | maraz, I'm going to leave for a bit. If anything changes (stops working, stops working and new build works, whatever) let me know here, and if I don't respond, put it on FS7510 |
| 17:43:20 | maraz | okay |
| 17:43:50 | preglow | well, shit |
| 17:43:55 | rasher | The forum is bizarrely low on disk space, hence the silly filesize limits and files getting deleted. |
| 17:43:58 | preglow | it appears qt4-dev-tools are _broken_ on my ubuntu |
| 17:43:59 | preglow | that rocks |
| 17:44:33 | DerPapst | sounds like a nice compile session... |
| 17:44:44 | bluebrother | ok, gtg now. |
| 17:44:48 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Do you know that 1.0.3 has been tagged in SVN? |
| 17:44:49 | preglow | bluebrother: sure, have fun |
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| 17:44:50 | * | DerPapst waves |
| 17:45:04 | bluebrother | linuxstb: no idea. Haven't checked either |
| 17:45:05 | linuxstb | bluebrother: (by Domonoky, 10 days ago...) |
| 17:45:20 | krazykit | me, i don't suppose your sansa is still under warranty? |
| 17:45:23 | bluebrother | then the w32 binary shouldn't be named -pre ;-) |
| 17:45:30 | bluebrother | (on the download server) |
| 17:45:32 | linuxstb | bluebrother: You made it ;) |
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| 17:45:51 | bluebrother | Hadn't noticed it was tagged then. |
| 17:46:00 | * | bluebrother wishes fast internet at home |
| 17:46:04 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I keep missing you... |
| 17:46:14 | bluebrother | btw, how's the usb stack going along? |
| 17:46:36 | bluebrother | I'll be back. It's a matter of 2 months or so unfortunately :( |
| 17:46:48 | maraz | oblib: Okay, I changed to the 0x30000000 build, and nothing really changed. |
| 17:46:53 | DerPapst | it's going pretty well afaik |
| 17:47:00 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Zagor's having trouble getting high speed working, but it sounds like it works at full speed (if I have the terminology right...). i.e. slow is working, fast is not. |
| 17:47:04 | DerPapst | zagor made some nice progress |
| 17:47:09 | DerPapst | for a ums driver |
| 17:47:09 | maraz | oblib: It does load my settings just fine if I go into .rockbox and select the config.cfg manually, but not at startup. |
| 17:47:27 | bluebrother | cool. Congrats to Zagor and see you guys −− hopefully soon |
| 17:47:38 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Zagor was trying to solve that problem, but I think he's now decided to commit the slow version instead. |
| 17:48:08 | bluebrother | thanks. b4n |
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| 17:48:25 | DerPapst | btw.. is any code from austirancoder left? |
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| 17:49:26 | rasher | DerPapst: no, Zagor started from scratch |
| 17:49:28 | linuxstb | preglow: Makefile changes committed - I hope they're OK.... |
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| 17:49:46 | Nico_P | DerPapst: ac's code is in SVN, but I think it isn't used by anything |
| 17:50:03 | DerPapst | rasher: ah... |
| 17:50:32 | DerPapst | i would guess ac is kinda dissapointed... |
| 17:50:39 | linuxstb | preglow: I take that back, I hadn't updated my SVN, and now I have conflicts... |
| 17:51:15 | me | linuxstb, krazykit: thanks a million, it finally works! :) |
| 17:51:47 | me | after a ton of attempts managed to get into recovery mode and reformatted it from there |
| 17:51:51 | me | everything seems ok now |
| 17:51:58 | krazykit | excellent! |
| 17:52:06 | me | indeed, thanks again :) |
| 17:52:59 | PaulJam | me: do you know what you did wrong when it didn't work? (this information may help others whith the same problem) |
| 17:53:20 | Nico_P | meh... I don't get why the debug build isn't linked correctly... :/ |
| 17:53:40 | Falen | Where is malloc in rockbox? |
| 17:54:04 | rasher | Falen: don't say the m-word! |
| 17:54:21 | rasher | Falen: There is no malloc. You're supposed to work without it. |
| 17:54:47 | Falen | Aha, ok |
| 17:54:59 | linuxstb | preglow: OK, now it's committed... |
| 17:55:18 | me | pauljam: got confused as to what the bootlader restoring process is, the e200 tool page said to do: e200tool i2cprogram i2c.bin, and that's it, but that wont do anything. |
| 17:55:26 | rasher | Falen: Just make buffers that are "big enough", and keep that in mind. |
| 17:55:43 | krazykit | me, maybe that wiki page needs to be reworked... |
| 17:55:49 | linuxstb | Falen: You have two choices - you can work with the 512KB plugin buffer (which includes all the plugin's code and data), or you can stop music playback, and work with the main audio buffer (around 28MB on most targets) |
| 17:55:51 | me | I also assumed that after the bootloader is properly loaded, sansa can be turned off, and turned on holding the rec button allowing you into the recovery mode - which is not the case |
| 17:56:06 | Falen | Ok |
| 17:56:12 | linuxstb | Falen: Plus, the older Archos devices have even less memory available... |
| 17:56:45 | * | jhMikeS realizes he can just dump the entire 64 entry talk queue on SWCODEC |
| 17:56:50 | krazykit | me, i'll add a note to the manufacturer mode part to hold Record before the sansa reboots from manufacturing mode to recovery mode. that should clear it up in the future |
| 17:58:18 | me | great, thank you all again |
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| 17:58:58 | linuxstb | Falen: BTW, I hope you succeed with your plugin, it would be interesting to see what kind of applications people come up with for it... |
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| 18:00:49 | Falen | Yeah. |
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| 18:05:30 | preglow | linuxstb: elite, thanks |
| 18:06:18 | jhMikeS | works great on Debian VMWare |
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| 19:23:04 | XavierGr | LinusN: For the logs, if you have some time on your hands please check #8178 |
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| 19:23:38 | XavierGr | LinuN: I think that only you can test this one, because there is a risk of bricking it |
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| 19:26:23 | matteo | hi all |
| 19:26:42 | matteo | i have installed the bootloader, the fonts package and rockbox latest build |
| 19:26:50 | matteo | this on an iPod vide0 60GB |
| 19:26:58 | matteo | but in the loader I have only APpleOS |
| 19:27:28 | XavierGr | metteo: can't help you much but are you sure that you followed the wiki instructions exactly? |
| 19:27:38 | matteo | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 19:27:44 | matteo | i followed this instructions |
| 19:28:21 | PaulJam | are you using the official rockbox bootloader? have you reset your ipod afer installing the bootloader? |
| 19:28:36 | matteo | i have to reset just after installation? |
| 19:28:44 | matteo | or appleOS does something wrong? |
| 19:29:34 | PaulJam | aplle only enters a sleep mode when you shut it down, so you have to completely shut it down by holding menu and select i think. |
| 19:30:05 | matteo | iPL loader 2.5 SVN-2363 |
| 19:30:10 | matteo | this is the loader |
| 19:30:26 | krazykit | that loader is not supported here. |
| 19:30:29 | matteo | i know, i reset but the menu has only Apple OS, disk mode and Sleep |
| 19:30:30 | PaulJam | well, that is the ipodlinux bootloader |
| 19:30:47 | matteo | it isn't the same? |
| 19:30:59 | matteo | isn't it supposed to run rockbox too? |
| 19:31:25 | krazykit | probably, but it's not supported by rockbox. either ask them, or use the rockbox bootloader, which can boot ipodlinux too. |
| 19:32:29 | matteo | does rockbox run from HFS+? |
| 19:32:37 | krazykit | no |
| 19:32:44 | matteo | krazykit: can you give me a link for the latest loader? |
| 19:33:01 | krazykit | matteo, get ipodpatcher from the manual |
| 19:33:18 | matteo | ok |
| 19:33:23 | matteo | krazykit: wiki or manual? |
| 19:33:40 | krazykit | the "manual install" section has a link, i believe. |
| 19:34:30 | PaulJam | the manual page you linked to contains the bootloader installation. you should reread the page carefully before installing. |
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| 19:34:55 | Saaka999 | hi everybody |
| 19:35:35 | bertrik | hi Saaka999 |
| 19:36:07 | Saaka999 | hey i've got a question about rockbox... |
| 19:36:39 | krazykit | well, no need to ask to ask. |
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| 19:36:46 | Saaka999 | :-D tanks |
| 19:37:37 | Saaka999 | i want to install rockbox on my ipod... it's a 6th gen ipod video... (ipod classic) i can't install ipodlinux 'cause the firmware is encrypted... can i install rockbox? |
| 19:37:46 | PaulJam | no |
| 19:37:50 | krazykit | no. the supported models are on the front page |
| 19:37:50 | Saaka999 | shit |
| 19:38:15 | Saaka999 | yes i saw them but in wikipedia it say's that every ipod expect the ipod touch is supported... |
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| 19:39:45 | krazykit | Saaka999, then wikipedia is wrong. |
| 19:39:59 | Saaka999 | yes... :-( |
| 19:40:13 | Saaka999 | anyway thank u... cya |
| 19:40:15 | krazykit | as a matter of fact, wikipedia does NOT say that. |
| 19:40:25 | Saaka999 | i looked in the german version of it |
| 19:40:42 | krazykit | then i recommend you fix it, if you have an account |
| 19:40:56 | Saaka999 | yes i will |
| 19:42:15 | Saaka999 | thank u... bye |
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| 19:46:25 | preglow | argh |
| 19:46:32 | preglow | what qt version does rbutilqt need? |
| 19:47:07 | krazykit | qt4 |
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| 19:48:08 | preglow | that i know |
| 19:48:11 | preglow | but 4.1? 4.2? 4.3? |
| 19:48:37 | preglow | build/ui/ui_previewfrm.h:37: error: ‘class QHBoxLayout’ has no member named ‘setLeftMargin’ |
| 19:48:40 | preglow | i get tons of these |
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| 19:48:50 | preglow | and afaik, i have qt 4.3 |
| 19:49:22 | preglow | 4.3.2, even, the newest |
| 19:49:23 | nanok | is somebody currently working on the fm features (like scaning, that is the most notable problem i noticed on my e200) |
| 19:49:28 | krazykit | i'm not sure. i haven't built anything terribly complex for a good while |
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| 20:01:07 | preglow | accoring to qt docs, these methods really don't exist too many places... |
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| 20:10:29 | * | preglow dropkicks qmake |
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| 20:15:54 | rasher | nanok: what kind of work? Scanning seems to be working decently here |
| 20:15:56 | Falen | This is killing me, why does it splash the file contents? http://pastebin.com/m6be1aa58 |
| 20:16:17 | Falen | It got a bit messy when pasting** |
| 20:18:21 | eigma | perhaps you meant, rb->splash(HZ*2,"Couldnt open file: %s",(char*)filename) |
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| 20:18:55 | eigma | ah, nevermind. spoke too soon. |
| 20:19:07 | Falen | The file opens without any error |
| 20:19:33 | Falen | But rb->splash(HZ*2, filename), pops up the file data instead of the name |
| 20:19:40 | eigma | buffer is only a single char.. maybe you meant something a lot biggeR/ |
| 20:20:02 | eigma | you're trying to read an entire file (filesize(fd)) into a single character (buffer). |
| 20:20:38 | Falen | Aaah, thank you!! |
| 20:21:15 | eigma | it's generally considered better practice to read the size of the buffer.. read(fd, buffer, sizeof(buffer)) |
| 20:21:25 | eigma | and buffer is declared like, 'char buffer[X]' |
| 20:21:57 | Falen | Ok |
| 20:25:20 | Falen | I must ask, why isn't it possible to use malloc? |
| 20:26:03 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyNoMalloc |
| 20:26:16 | scorche | it is possible, we just dont like it :) |
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| 20:27:51 | Falen | Ok |
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| 20:37:48 | The-Compiler | Hi |
| 20:37:55 | DerPapst | lo |
| 20:39:01 | The-Compiler | How can I see wich revision the newest is? Or on wich date wich revision was? Is r15627 old? |
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| 20:40:18 | DerPapst | The-Compiler: http://build.rockbox.org/ here is the current version listed |
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| 20:41:13 | kugel | The-Compiler: You can go to www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html , hover over the [diff]-Links, and look at the link target |
| 20:41:58 | DerPapst | that even works on the main page :P |
| 20:42:13 | miepchen^schlaf | ThePope :) |
| 20:42:25 | DerPapst | miepchen :) |
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| 20:43:29 | The-Compiler | so this was the 14th november, wasn't it? |
| 20:43:45 | DerPapst | your revision? |
| 20:44:53 | DerPapst | 14 Nov 22:34 |
| 20:44:56 | DerPapst | so yes |
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| 20:49:41 | salty-horse | is it possible to have the sansa firmware automatically unset the fat32 "hidden" flag on the MUSIC dir whenever it launches? |
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| 21:12:19 | etb | Hello everyone |
| 21:13:02 | etb | i bought the newest nano ipod (8gig) and when i try to instal rockbox , i am unable , can anyone help me with that?< |
| 21:13:38 | salty-horse | etb, the new ipod models aren't supported yet |
| 21:13:59 | salty-horse | only the 1st gen nano works |
| 21:14:07 | etb | oh.. thats why .. You think that they will be soon? |
| 21:14:28 | kugel | no |
| 21:14:35 | scorche | etb: well, no one is working on it... |
| 21:14:40 | etb | i c |
| 21:14:50 | etb | so there is no way to get iboy in it? |
| 21:15:09 | scorche | no |
| 21:15:50 | etb | Well thank you for information.. |
| 21:15:58 | etb | i was better with my old 30gb then lol |
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| 21:16:19 | kugel | yea |
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| 21:28:14 | The-Compiler | Hi |
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| 21:28:28 | oblib | maraz, you there? |
| 21:30:19 | maraz | yes. |
| 21:30:41 | oblib | I've got something else for you to check, give me a couple of minutes |
| 21:30:48 | The-Compiler | Is it possible to have two versions of rockbox (an official and an unsupported) as a dualboot (with iPodLoader 2) on an iPod? I'm thinking of change the name of the .rockbox-folder, and launch the rockbox.ipod in this folder then. The problem is, that this rockbox.ipod-file searchs for .rockbox and not for .rockbox2. So can i change this path somewhere in the sourcecode? |
| 21:32:20 | Llorean | linuxstb: Out of curiosity, why can't it be as simple as reformatting for an iPod? |
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| 21:36:03 | oblib | maraz, I have a build. What would be the easiest way to get it to you? |
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| 21:36:36 | maraz | oblib: i'll PM you |
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| 21:37:25 | kugel | Llorean: I made a bug report about the issue I talked about with you |
| 21:37:34 | kugel | but it's allready closed again |
| 21:37:35 | maraz | oblib: wait, no I won't. |
| 21:37:43 | maraz | not registered... |
| 21:38:01 | maraz | oblib: you could email it to me at smsroi@utu.fi |
| 21:38:02 | oblib | now? |
| 21:38:33 | oblib | Actually I'll just post it on the bug page again. |
| 21:38:40 | PaulPosition | Llorean... I understand you guys getting fed up with stupid questions in the forums, but your answer to http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13812.0 is a bit unfair : there's no mention at all, in the manual for e200, of linuxstb button mapping for disc/charging mode. |
| 21:39:07 | PaulPosition | (I wanted to answer earlier but couldn't find what sansa button would be the "menu" button described in Dave's commit) |
| 21:39:16 | oblib | maraz, it'll be on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7510 soon |
| 21:39:53 | Llorean | PaulPosition: The Sansa button for it is "Select" actually. |
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| 21:40:28 | Llorean | I've changed it to have an answer that's actually valid now, then |
| 21:40:35 | PaulPosition | thanks :) |
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| 21:40:55 | Llorean | kugel: Which task was it? |
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| 21:41:27 | kugel | 8164 |
| 21:41:50 | kugel | btw: I was talking shit, I was talking about ACTION_STD_CANCEL |
| 21:41:59 | kugel | but I meant ACTION_STD_MENU |
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| 21:43:12 | Llorean | kugel: Reading *that* entry, it sounds like there's not an actual _problem_, you just don't like which buttons do what? |
| 21:43:59 | kugel | there were changes made, which were not intended, so it's a problem for me |
| 21:44:33 | kugel | and when power button is unmapped, which should be cancel generally, it's a problem for me too |
| 21:44:57 | kugel | cancel/exit, such stuff |
| 21:45:47 | Llorean | No, it's not a problem anymore, it's a matter of preference. |
| 21:46:00 | Llorean | Whoever wrote the keymappings for text editor, intended for them to line up with certain standard actions. |
| 21:46:04 | Llorean | Otherwise he wouldn't have used the action system. |
| 21:46:16 | Llorean | So when the action bindings changed, text_editor changed itself. |
| 21:46:35 | kugel | sure |
| 21:46:41 | kugel | I'm aware of that |
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| 21:46:56 | Llorean | I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm just saying it's clearly not a bug. You were claiming something was overmapped, and making it sound like one button had conflicting uses or something |
| 21:47:09 | maraz | oblib: 1st cycle - defaults, 2nd cycle - works, 3rd cycle - defaults, 4th cycle - no .rockbox directory. |
| 21:47:31 | oblib | so no help there |
| 21:48:05 | kugel | But you said yourself, that power button should have a consistent function |
| 21:48:13 | Llorean | oblib: The bootloader doesn't handle .cfg loading, and the no .rockbox directory is, I believe, a message from rockbox.ipod *after* it's been loaded by the bootloader. |
| 21:48:20 | kugel | but now, in text editor it hasn't a function at all |
| 21:49:04 | Llorean | kugel: You're missing my point. I'm not talking about what the buttons should or shouldn't do AT ALL right now. |
| 21:49:25 | oblib | Llorean, where is the code that handles it? |
| 21:49:32 | Llorean | My point was that the task shouldn't have been a bug report, and this is an important thing for you to know in terms of future tasks. |
| 21:49:36 | kugel | You said that before you committed the patch |
| 21:50:18 | kugel | Yea, it might not be a real bug. It's just you said I should make a bug report for that issue, and I did so |
| 21:50:32 | Llorean | kugel: I said you should make a bug report, because YOU said a button was overmapped and unusable. |
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| 21:51:07 | kugel | Hmm, I was wrong about that, I forgot that it's on hold select now |
| 21:51:37 | Llorean | If something is _broken_ it's a bug. If something is not how you like it, and you feel it should be changed, it's a feature request. |
| 21:51:56 | Llorean | I do feel text editor could use some keymap love, but my point is, you need to be very careful when reporting things so that people actually have a clue what you're talking about. |
| 21:52:20 | Llorean | oblib: I'm not sure. I'm actually pretty sure that the device should stay unboosted entirely while in the bootloader. |
| 21:52:31 | kugel | So I would be better for the task to be a feature request? |
| 21:52:38 | Llorean | oblib: Has maraz completely reformatted and restored his iPod before trying your patched build? |
| 21:52:42 | kugel | it* |
| 21:52:47 | Llorean | kugel: I've said that several times now, yes. |
| 21:53:01 | kugel | can you change that or shall I make a new task? |
| 21:53:04 | maraz | Llorean: yes. |
| 21:53:26 | Llorean | kugel: Make a new task, and explain what buttons you feel should do what rather than trying to explain what changed. |
| 21:53:43 | maraz | Llorean: I've for some time now thought that the flash drive might be nearing the end of its life (1,5 years old now), but then again, it works just fine with the apple firmware... |
| 21:54:08 | kugel | I've written in the task what I suggest to change |
| 21:54:12 | Llorean | maraz: You both reformatted, AND used iTunes to restore, then installed the newest official Rockbox bootloader? |
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| 21:54:41 | maraz | Llorean: What's with the iTunes part, anyway? |
| 21:54:53 | Llorean | kugel: No, you said "stop should have a cancel usage or something." From context it's more clear you mean "Stop should quit" |
| 21:55:05 | Llorean | kugel: And you made no suggestion about button_down |
| 21:55:06 | maraz | I did the restoration some 3-4 weeks back, so the Apple firmware should be current. |
| 21:55:31 | Llorean | maraz: It's not about apple firmware version. |
| 21:55:31 | oblib | maraz, an Itunes restore would guarantee the partitions are correct |
| 21:55:44 | Llorean | maraz: It's about trying to undo any corruption that may be tripping up Rockbox but not bothering the apple firmware. |
| 21:55:52 | Llorean | oblib: It doesn't actually guarantee it, but it helps |
| 21:56:32 | maraz | Hmm. |
| 21:56:32 | Soap | does an itunes restore do a checkdisk? |
| 21:57:26 | maraz | Ugh, the dreaded iTunes... I guess I'll have to sacrifice myself and install. |
| 21:57:38 | oblib | maraz, I feel your pain |
| 21:57:43 | Llorean | maraz: Another option is to see if there's an MBR for your iPod in the ManualRestore wiki page. |
| 21:58:59 | Soap | Llorean: Is a full format needed for the file-system insurance? Why not just a chkdisk or equiv? |
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| 22:00:17 | Llorean | Soap: Because honestly I'm just not sure I trust them to catch every possible problem. |
| 22:00:24 | Soap | I can understand that. |
| 22:02:32 | oblib | Llorean, do you know what the first code executed on boot is? |
| 22:03:07 | Llorean | oblib: No. |
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| 22:07:18 | oblib | maraz, what's the exact text when it doesn't boot? |
| 22:07:45 | maraz | It does boot. |
| 22:07:59 | oblib | when it says "no rockbox" |
| 22:08:23 | oblib | no .rockbox directory |
| 22:08:29 | maraz | The "No .rockbox folder" message comes in when rockbox is running but can't find it's folder |
| 22:08:47 | oblib | Is that the exact wording of the message |
| 22:08:49 | maraz | It's not a bootloader message :-) |
| 22:08:49 | oblib | ? |
| 22:08:55 | maraz | good question... |
| 22:09:08 | The-Compiler | Is it possible to have two versions of rockbox (an official and an unsupported) as a dualboot (with iPodLoader 2) on an iPod? I'm thinking of change the name of the .rockbox-folder, and launch the rockbox.ipod in this folder then. The problem is, that this rockbox.ipod-file searchs for .rockbox and not for .rockbox2. So can i change this path somewhere in the sourcecode? |
| 22:09:37 | Llorean | The-Compiler: Have you tried simply searching the source code for it with grep? |
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| 22:10:28 | The-Compiler | Llorean, no, i've not |
| 22:11:04 | maraz | oblib: It gives two messages: "No .rockbox directory" and "Installation incomplete". |
| 22:11:22 | Llorean | The-Compiler: I'd suggest doing that instead of pasting a message in here every 40 minutes or so. The path *has* to be stored somewhere, as obviously it can't just know it psychically. |
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| 22:11:45 | xlbxxx_ | hey can some one help me set up rockbox. i fallowed the steps and i dont knowwhat the problem is |
| 22:12:11 | The-Compiler | Llorean, ok, i'll give it a try |
| 22:14:03 | PaulPosition | xlbxx - You'll have to state what player you own and what exactly happens (and what error message if any) before anyone could help you out. |
| 22:14:40 | maraz | oblib: well, tree.c it is, now to figure out what exactly calls the function check_rockboxdir(void) in the boot procedure |
| 22:14:41 | xlbxxx_ | i got a gen 5.5 80gb ipod |
| 22:14:53 | oblib | just got there myself |
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| 22:15:51 | xlbxxx_ | installed ipodlinux witch works and i draged the .rockbox to my ipod |
| 22:16:09 | DerPapst | The-Compiler: they are in the target specific config files |
| 22:16:09 | DerPapst | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/export/ |
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| 22:17:13 | DerPapst | xlbxxx_: and? |
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| 22:18:16 | xlbxxx_ | rockbox does not show up |
| 22:18:31 | DerPapst | what loader2 version do you have? |
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| 22:19:35 | Llorean | Loader2 questions shouldn't really be brought here anyway |
| 22:19:41 | oblib | maraz, well, tree_gui_init calls it, and tree_gui_init is called from main.c right after init(). However I can't find init() defined anywhere |
| 22:19:55 | xlbxxx_ | i fallowed these steps http://mikesubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/10/how-to-install-rockbox-and-extras-on.html |
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| 22:21:28 | Llorean | xlbxxx_: As those aren't the official instructions, ask the person providing them if you're having problems with them |
| 22:21:41 | * | Llorean strongly disagrees with the claim there that the iPodLinux loader or install is the "fastest" way anyway |
| 22:21:41 | DerPapst | xlbxxx_: the files are outdated |
| 22:21:43 | maraz | oblib: how about main.c? |
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| 22:22:16 | * | DerPapst agrees with Llorean |
| 22:22:17 | xlbxxx_ | does it matter i have ipod linux installed first |
| 22:22:21 | oblib | maraz, oh, there it is, I just didn't look far enough |
| 22:22:22 | DerPapst | no |
| 22:22:35 | DerPapst | if you want to keep iPL you just need a newer Loader 2 version |
| 22:22:40 | DerPapst | and a newer rockbox build |
| 22:22:42 | linuxstb | Llorean: To answer your earlier question, HFS formatted ipods have an Apple Partition Map describing the partition layout. That needs to be replaced with a DOS partition table for Rockbox to work. |
| 22:22:47 | maraz | oblib: /* if nobody initialized ATA before, I consider this a cold start */ |
| 22:22:49 | maraz | :) |
| 22:22:53 | Llorean | DerPapst: Loader2 really is off-topic, though. It's not our software |
| 22:23:09 | maraz | hmm |
| 22:23:19 | Llorean | linuxstb: Could Rockbox handle the partition map without HFS+ support, so just a reformat is needed? |
| 22:23:20 | DerPapst | Llorean: i know though this is about insalling rockbox |
| 22:23:30 | Llorean | DerPapst: No, it's about getting Loader2 to see an installed Rockbox... |
| 22:23:37 | DerPapst | and i often help people over in #ipodlinux to install rockbox |
| 22:23:44 | DerPapst | like i did it 10minutes age |
| 22:23:46 | DerPapst | *ago |
| 22:24:02 | Llorean | What does that have to do with anything, though? |
| 22:24:17 | Llorean | The piece of software you're supporting is Loader2, whether you're doing it to install Rockbox or not. |
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| 22:24:52 | DM| | Hey guys, i installed theme "Aurora Black" from http://rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 but it doesnt look like it has it on the page |
| 22:24:58 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, if we added support for the APM (ipodpatcher supports it), but I don't know if the Apple firmware would be happy with such a setup. I should go back and finish adding the conversion to ipodpatcher - the code is there, it just needs debugging... |
| 22:25:00 | DM| | there is no play button, no shuffle, no battery icon |
| 22:25:35 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, I was just wondering if it might be an easier alternative to the full conversion |
| 22:25:54 | linuxstb | DM|: Are you using the custom build that page says is needed for that theme? |
| 22:26:01 | Soap | DM|: as stated on Rockbox-themes.org that WPS needs a custom build. |
| 22:26:08 | Soap | (too slow) |
| 22:26:15 | DerPapst | he's using a recent official build |
| 22:26:27 | DM| | Im new to rockbox... |
| 22:26:32 | DM| | so I have no flappin idea |
| 22:27:18 | linuxstb | DM|: You need to read the descriptions under the themes on that page, some of them require custom Rockbox builds (i.e. versions of Rockbox created by other people) to work. They won't work with the official version. |
| 22:27:21 | DM| | How do install a custome build? |
| 22:27:27 | DM| | EvilG in example |
| 22:28:09 | linuxstb | You need to ask the people providing those builds - they're out of our control, so we can't help you with them. |
| 22:28:17 | DerPapst | DM|: if you want some better powemanagement you should stick to he official build and get a theme what doesn't need patches |
| 22:28:41 | PaulPosition | DM| Have a look at the 'unsupported build' section of forum.. note that there's an emphasis on "unsupported" for a reason, though. |
| 22:29:22 | DM| | well it still looks pretty cool.. lol |
| 22:30:05 | DM| | So... how do i boot back to the ipod firmware |
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| 22:30:25 | DerPapst | shut down your ipod and flip hold on |
| 22:33:04 | oblib | Llorean, you said you don't think the processor should boost during startup? It looks like it does. Why do you think it shouldn't? |
| 22:34:27 | Llorean | oblib: I thought I remembered someone who knew more about what happened than me saying it doesn't. |
| 22:34:36 | The-Compiler | DerPapst, thanks |
| 22:34:42 | The-Compiler | bye |
| 22:34:46 | DerPapst | np |
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| 22:35:02 | oblib | Llorean, I'm not sure what counts as the "bootloader" but after system and kernel inits, the cpu boosts for the rest of init() |
| 22:35:46 | oblib | maraz, can you compile now? |
| 22:35:50 | Llorean | oblib: The bootloader is what you install with ipodpatcher... it's not part of rockbox.ipod. It's what loads Rockbox.ipod. |
| 22:35:57 | maraz | oblib: i believe so |
| 22:36:32 | oblib | maraz, do you have a clean svn? or have you applied my patch already? |
| 22:36:48 | oblib | Llorean, is the code for the bootloader included in SVN? |
| 22:36:53 | maraz | Yeah, the 0x10000000 one. |
| 22:37:02 | Llorean | oblib: Yes. |
| 22:37:11 | oblib | maraz, and it works the same way my build doesn't? |
| 22:37:17 | linuxstb | oblib: Yes, the bootloader is in SVN - bootloader/ipod.c. It links with the code in firmware/ |
| 22:37:29 | maraz | oblib: Let me try. |
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| 22:39:21 | hermie | I have a noob question here |
| 22:39:31 | hermie | can anyone help? |
| 22:39:38 | maraz | oblib: Is it enough to change the rockbox.ipod? |
| 22:39:39 | hermie | looking for rockboy |
| 22:39:45 | DerPapst | no. because you didn't ask a question |
| 22:40:11 | hermie | anyone know where I can find rockboy? how to install it? |
| 22:40:11 | PaulJam | hermie: have you already read the manual chapter about rockboy? |
| 22:40:21 | hermie | nope |
| 22:40:29 | hermie | I just noticed it wasn't on my plugins list |
| 22:40:38 | PaulJam | there you'll find the answer |
| 22:40:43 | oblib | maybe the topic should have something that says "ask the question, not *if* you can ask the question" |
| 22:41:04 | hermie | fair enough, thanks |
| 22:41:08 | | Part hermie |
| 22:41:18 | DerPapst | oblib: it's part of the guidelines the topic links to |
| 22:41:27 | DerPapst | ;) |
| 22:41:46 | oblib | which is obviously one click to many for those that do that |
| 22:42:15 | DM| | omg i think i just fell in love with rockbox |
| 22:42:27 | DM| | a lil diff from ipod firmware but this customer theme is the shiza |
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| 22:44:00 | oblib | maraz, I usually replace the whole .rockbox directly with what comes out of 'make zip' |
| 22:44:28 | DM| | Now my question is.. Is there a way to have the ipod ignore a power cable being plugged in ( USB ) continue playing but charge at the same time? |
| 22:44:43 | scorche | hold menu |
| 22:44:47 | DerPapst | iirc hold play while conecting it |
| 22:44:53 | DerPapst | em menu then |
| 22:44:57 | DerPapst | :P |
| 22:45:14 | DM| | which one? |
| 22:45:15 | DM| | hold? |
| 22:45:31 | DerPapst | but the linux kernel might try to mount your ipod again a few seconds later... |
| 22:45:32 | DM| | got it |
| 22:45:33 | DerPapst | menu |
| 22:45:34 | DM| | it was hold |
| 22:45:38 | DM| | nm it mounted it |
| 22:45:42 | DM| | poopy |
| 22:45:47 | linuxstb | DerPapst: That should be fixed now. |
| 22:46:00 | linuxstb | (a few months ago...) |
| 22:46:07 | DerPapst | linuxstb: aha.. thanks for clarification :) |
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| 22:46:19 | * | DerPapst shuts up |
| 22:46:32 | * | DerPapst knows to less about rockbox ;) |
| 22:46:47 | hermie | just checked out the manual and it doesn't say anything about adding rockboy if it isn't part of the build |
| 22:46:54 | hermie | does anyone know where I can get it? |
| 22:46:55 | DM| | It mounted it Derpapst |
| 22:47:05 | scorche | hermie: it does explain about viewers though |
| 22:47:08 | PaulJam | hermie: it is part of the build |
| 22:47:10 | DerPapst | hermie: it's already installed |
| 22:47:22 | * | Llorean saw that coming, and didn't type his own response. |
| 22:47:27 | DerPapst | it's a viewer so you just select the gameboy rom in the filebrowser |
| 22:47:30 | DerPapst | no big deal |
| 22:47:50 | * | scorche still sees a line from Llorean in response ;) |
| 22:47:56 | hermie | oh, I guess it does say that, it just didn't make sense to me |
| 22:47:57 | oblib | try this one hermie: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockboy |
| 22:48:01 | DerPapst | DM|: you held menu for 20 seconds this time? |
| 22:48:11 | hermie | I'll give it a whirl |
| 22:48:15 | DM| | after or before i plg it in |
| 22:48:19 | hermie | thanks DerPapst |
| 22:48:20 | DerPapst | while |
| 22:48:29 | DerPapst | np hermie :) |
| 22:48:35 | | Part hermie |
| 22:50:26 | DM| | hmm Derpapst soon as i release the hold and go back to the menu it mounts it |
| 22:50:56 | DM| | derpapst err release the menu button |
| 22:51:25 | DM| | maybe i just need to buy myself a wall cable |
| 22:51:36 | DerPapst | linuxstb said it was fixed... so it shoudl work with an official build |
| 22:51:37 | DM| | stupid 5G only came with a USB cord |
| 22:51:46 | * | linuxstb thought it was fixed... |
| 22:51:48 | DM| | Derpapst not an official build now :X |
| 22:51:54 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 22:52:03 | DerPapst | try out one before ;) |
| 22:52:04 | * | linuxstb ignores DMI then ;) |
| 22:52:06 | DM| | Derpapst iam using the fusion thing or whatever so my ipod is sexy now |
| 22:52:21 | linuxstb | DMI: Yes, but using an old and buggy version of Rockbox... |
| 22:52:29 | DM| | but its so sexy |
| 22:52:39 | DM| | do i have to say, sexy again |
| 22:54:01 | DerPapst | albumart and some kind of margin patch is in the official build now too. so maybe your theme can be fixed to be compartible with a caurrent build |
| 22:54:05 | DerPapst | not sure though |
| 22:54:20 | DerPapst | also don't know how to accomplish that ;) |
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| 22:55:02 | oblib | maraz, did you disappear |
| 22:55:08 | maraz | nope |
| 22:55:23 | oblib | can you do a build? |
| 22:55:32 | maraz | yes |
| 22:55:42 | * | amiconn returns |
| 22:55:49 | * | DerPapst waves |
| 22:55:55 | * | oblib cheers |
| 22:56:03 | * | maraz looks confused |
| 22:56:07 | * | amiconn still needs a tester for lcd stuff on either a 4th Gen grayscale or a Mini 1st Gen :\ |
| 22:56:16 | * | linuxstb joins in |
| 22:56:29 | amiconn | Where do those users hide? |
| 22:56:33 | oblib | maraz, Try commenting out lines 351 and 571 in apps/main.c |
| 22:56:49 | Llorean | amiconn: Maybe we ran off all the 1st gen grayscale users back in the PP5020 crash days? |
| 22:57:12 | amiconn | 1st gen? Na, that's PP5002 |
| 22:57:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you just need someone to test that things work, or will you need to adjust things for those devices? |
| 22:58:21 | linuxstb | I'm just wondering if one option would be to commit, and then see if those users come out of hiding... |
| 22:58:24 | Llorean | amiconn: 4th gen, I can't type |
| 22:58:34 | oblib | amiconn, have you been following the nano patch at all? maraz has a problem on boot, but doesn't with older builds |
| 22:58:38 | amiconn | First I need verification of a register value. If it is what I expect, I then need a series of speed tests (4 different builds), combined with checking for graphical glitches at 80MHz |
| 22:59:12 | amiconn | It requires a bit of rockbox knowledge, but I could provide test builds |
| 22:59:25 | oblib | maraz, they should be cpu_boost lines, btw |
| 22:59:32 | maraz | yeah, i noticed |
| 22:59:48 | * | DerPapst knows someone with a 4th gen b&w... |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:02 | DerPapst | but i'm not sure if i could get his ipod for testing |
| 23:00:13 | DerPapst | and it wont be until next week |
| 23:01:08 | amiconn | tierra seems to be around when I am not, and vice versa. And both kkurbjun and perrikwp vanished... |
| 23:01:21 | DerPapst | do you have some kind of betatesting subforum to ask for testers? |
| 23:02:17 | amiconn | linuxstb: The problem is that I don't know whether the fastest setting of the mono bridge would overdrive the HD66753 at 80MHz |
| 23:02:18 | oblib | What does HAVE_RTC_RAM mean? Real-time clock RAM? if so, what does that do? |
| 23:02:35 | amiconn | So far I know which bits set the speed, but don't understand the scaling yet |
| 23:03:24 | amiconn | oblib: It's only defined for the archos recorders. The RTC of these has 44 bytes of static ram. It's similar to the CMOS ram of a pc, i.e. it can store settings |
| 23:03:39 | DerPapst | amiconn: fxb has a 4G and might have some knowledge about rockbox. he lives in germany as well |
| 23:04:03 | oblib | amiconn, thanks |
| 23:04:19 | DerPapst | but he isn't here right now (thus the 2 underscored) |
| 23:04:25 | DerPapst | *underscores even |
| 23:05:24 | amiconn | linuxstb: On 2nd gen (PP5002) the fastest setting is rougly 2x as fast as the slowest, and the second fastest only a tiny bit slower than the fastest., while on c200 the fastest setting is rougly 2.5x as fast as the slowest - and the second fastest is *a lot* slower than the fastest |
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| 23:06:33 | amiconn | 2nd Gen: (slowest->fastest) 68->94->124->132 fps |
| 23:06:48 | amiconn | c200: 14.4->20->24->50fps |
| 23:06:53 | amiconn | That's at 30MHz |
| 23:07:40 | oblib | maraz, anything yet? |
| 23:07:44 | maraz | yes |
| 23:08:09 | maraz | i just put the "slowpoke" version in |
| 23:08:41 | oblib | I'll be curious if it is noticably slower or not |
| 23:08:45 | amiconn | Ehm, that's even 3.5x speedup on c200 |
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| 23:13:22 | DerPapst | fxb: do you have rockbox on your 4G b&w? |
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| 23:15:08 | maraz | oblib: What do you know, it seems to work! |
| 23:15:26 | oblib | Is it slower on boot? |
| 23:15:29 | maraz | With no noticeable speed drop during boot. |
| 23:15:37 | Nico_P | hmm maybe I'm stupid, but is there a way to affect only some bits of an int other than by using its previous value and bitmasking it? |
| 23:16:29 | maraz | oblib: It even works when heated. |
| 23:16:38 | oblib | How are you heating it? |
| 23:16:51 | maraz | Table lamp, too hot to touch directly. |
| 23:16:55 | DerPapst | microwave :P |
| 23:17:11 | linuxstb | Nico_P: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 23:17:12 | oblib | DerPapst, that would make for a great light show |
| 23:17:21 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: not in any general manner, no. you want atomic bit setting? |
| 23:17:59 | Nico_P | linuxstb: general idea is to store the last value of a conditional in the token's value, next to the number of cond cases |
| 23:18:04 | oblib | So apparently there is something wrong in the start up sequence that makes the nano try to read flash before that bit is set, or something like that |
| 23:18:13 | DerPapst | oblib: actually someone did that in iPL forums to dry his wet nano ^^ |
| 23:18:33 | oblib | DerPapst, did he video tape it? |
| 23:18:35 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: what's atomic bit setting? |
| 23:18:39 | maraz | oblib: Probably, yes. At least it works now. |
| 23:18:56 | Nico_P | linuxstb: where "next to" means "in the same int var" |
| 23:18:59 | DerPapst | oblib: unfortunately not but "it pops" :D |
| 23:19:09 | oblib | maraz, but I don't know if it needs to be applied as part of the patch. |
| 23:19:23 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: to change some bits in an int without read-modify-write |
| 23:19:28 | linuxstb | Nico_P: The usual way would be to mask it. |
| 23:19:38 | oblib | amiconn, how familiar are you with the boot up sequence? (amiconn exposed this bug by upping the CPU freq) |
| 23:19:49 | maraz | oblib: well, at least we'll know what will work if another case with the same symptoms comes up |
| 23:21:28 | Nico_P | linuxstb: yeah, I did that: data->tokens[cond_index].value.i = (intval << 8) + num_options; but at first I thought data->tokens[cond_index].value.i &= (intval << 8); would be ok, which was obviously wrong but led me to wonder whether it was possible to do an affectation on only two bits of the var |
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| 23:22:05 | linuxstb | Does anyone know of any other common patches used for the WPS, apart from scrolling margins, custom-line (%e) and multifont? |
| 23:22:08 | Nico_P | of course I should mask num_options to be careful |
| 23:22:20 | oblib | maraz, yeah, I just posted an update on the bug report. If anyone else comes forward, that will let us know it's more than just unique hardware on your part. |
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| 23:23:24 | maraz | oblib: what i'm thinking is that the specific flash chip used on my device initializes a few cycles too late |
| 23:24:41 | oblib | maraz, it's definitely something to do with a very tight timing being missed somewhere (given its sporadic nature) |
| 23:25:40 | oblib | Can you try something else? |
| 23:26:59 | maraz | heh, i'm a bit reluctant to mess with it now that it works, but sure :) |
| 23:27:01 | amiconn | oblib: Afaik the rockbox ata_init() resets that >65MHz bit |
| 23:27:19 | oblib | amiconn, I believe that is correct |
| 23:27:31 | amiconn | So if ata_init() is called *after* boosting the cpu, the bit will be reset when it shouldn't |
| 23:27:47 | oblib | maraz, undo those changes (the cpu_boost), and add this line above system_init(), line 343 |
| 23:28:26 | oblib | IDE0_CFG |= (0x10000000); |
| 23:28:51 | amiconn | I think that on nano, ata_init(9 should set that bit instead of clearing it, to be on the safe side |
| 23:28:52 | oblib | amiconn, I tried a build that made ata_init() set that bit, and it still didn't work. |
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| 23:29:02 | oblib | for maraz |
| 23:29:11 | amiconn | The bootloader needs the same fix |
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| 23:29:29 | oblib | is that bit set somewhere in the bootloader? |
| 23:29:40 | fxb | DerPapst: i only have a 4G color |
| 23:30:00 | DerPapst | fxb: ok then nevermind :) |
| 23:30:08 | oblib | maraz, did you make that change? |
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| 23:30:29 | oblib | also in /firmware/target/arm/ata-pp5020.c, change line 47 to |
| 23:30:35 | oblib | IDE0_CFG |= (0x10000000); |
| 23:30:50 | amiconn | oblib: The bootloader uses the exact same ata code as main rockbox |
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| 23:31:14 | oblib | amiconn, is that /firmware/target/arm/ata-pp5020.c for the nano? Or is it somewhere else? |
| 23:31:21 | amiconn | I'm not sure whether the bootloader boosts the cpu, but I think it does |
| 23:33:20 | maraz | oblib: Done, anything else? |
| 23:33:48 | oblib | nope. You should now have that line in two places, and the cpu_boost lines back in place, right? |
| 23:33:54 | maraz | yes. |
| 23:34:03 | oblib | go for it, let me know what it does |
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| 23:36:38 | oblib | amiconn, if the only way to boost is to call cpu_boost, then the only place it does that in the bootloader (that I can find) is if the bootmethod is BOOT_RAM. Would the ipod be BOOT_RAM or BOOT_ROM? |
| 23:38:01 | linuxstb | oblib: Are you looking at bootloader/main.c ? |
| 23:38:15 | oblib | maraz, did install iTunes by the way? |
| 23:38:18 | oblib | linuxstb, yet |
| 23:38:20 | oblib | yes |
| 23:38:33 | linuxstb | That's the iriver bootloader - you want bootloader/ipod.c |
| 23:38:41 | oblib | that's the only place in bootloader directory it show up |
| 23:38:42 | maraz | oblib: Nope, not yet. I did download it though. |
| 23:38:44 | linuxstb | s/iriver/coldfire/ |
| 23:38:54 | oblib | maraz, phew, we fixed it just in time |
| 23:39:49 | oblib | I have been looking at ipod.c, but don't see it boost anywhere. Unless there is another way to boost (direct register manipulation or something) I have to assume it doesn't boost in the ipod bootloader |
| 23:40:30 | linuxstb | No, I don't think it does. |
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| 23:42:25 | maraz | oblib: Good news - the IDE0 patching works, too. |
| 23:42:37 | maraz | So now it's both working and booting up 0,05 seconds faster. Hurray! |
| 23:43:01 | oblib | okay, now remove it from ata-pp502x.c (put that line back to what it was) |
| 23:43:15 | oblib | IDE0_CFG &=~(0x10000000); |
| 23:44:05 | kugel | amiconn: hey |
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| 23:45:14 | ttuttle | Hey, I just found something weird. mpegplayer hangs when viewing a video while voice menus are turned on. |
| 23:45:20 | kugel | amiconn: Am I right that iPods have lcd fading? |
| 23:45:38 | amiconn | "ipods" is too generic |
| 23:45:42 | amiconn | Some do, some don't |
| 23:45:49 | oblib | maraz, are you building that? |
| 23:45:51 | kugel | video and nano |
| 23:45:52 | amiconn | And lcd fading is software in rockbox |
| 23:45:53 | maraz | oblib: yeah. |
| 23:46:00 | amiconn | kugel: Yes, those do |
| 23:46:08 | kugel | I'm refering to the commit of the 12th of semptember |
| 23:46:21 | kugel | Can you add this to the e200 series too? |
| 23:46:38 | kugel | There was this patch giving LCD fading, but this doesn't work anymore since this commit |
| 23:47:01 | tierra | amiconn: I'm here with some free time now |
| 23:47:05 | amiconn | I can't, since I don't have an e200 |
| 23:47:19 | amiconn | tierra: ah :) |
| 23:47:19 | tierra | I could use a build |
| 23:47:25 | amiconn | One moment please |
| 23:48:23 | kugel | amiconn: Couldn't you try to make it? I mean first doing a patch and some e200 users test it |
| 23:49:06 | scorche | amiconn: if you are busy, i could make builds for him |
| 23:49:10 | maraz | oblib: does NOT work. |
| 23:49:22 | linuxstb | kugel: What commit are you talking about? I can't see anything from the 12th September that looks like lcd fading here - http://www.rockbox.org/since20060801.html |
| 23:49:33 | kugel | yea |
| 23:49:46 | amiconn | I think he meant 12th November |
| 23:49:53 | kugel | yea |
| 23:50:00 | kugel | didn't I type november? |
| 23:50:06 | kugel | oh sorry |
| 23:50:12 | linuxstb | Well, it came out as September... ;) |
| 23:50:22 | amiconn | My code rearrangement probably breaks a patch on the tracker |
| 23:50:24 | kugel | true |
| 23:50:24 | oblib | amiconn, dyo you know if there is anything sacred about when ata_init() gets called? |
| 23:50:34 | kugel | amiconn: it did |
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| 23:50:57 | kugel | I talk about FS #6800, if you didn't know which patch I meant |
| 23:51:32 | maraz | oblib: should I try with the ata-pp5020.c patched but with an unpatched main.c? |
| 23:51:34 | amiconn | That reminds me - is that software brightness patch for Video/Nano closed now? |
| 23:51:44 | * | amiconn is bad at remembering fs# |
| 23:52:27 | oblib | maraz, yes |
| 23:52:44 | linuxstb | amiconn: It seems to be, but there is a feature request still open - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6417 |
| 23:53:09 | Llorean | kugel: That patch still requires a lot of work from the sound of it. It's very not properly done for inclusion. |
| 23:53:20 | Llorean | At least, judging from the comments |
| 23:53:23 | kugel | I expected that |
| 23:53:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: That's an ooold one - will close, thanks |
| 23:53:49 | Llorean | So why don't you appeal to the people actually working on the task to improve it, rather than asking someone who doesn't even have the hardware to "just try it"? |
| 23:54:03 | kugel | It's done by setting the brightness lower every split second |
| 23:54:06 | linuxstb | amiconn: I just did... |
| 23:54:12 | kugel | which seems to be a very hackish way to me |
| 23:54:13 | amiconn | thanks |
| 23:54:44 | Llorean | kugel: It'd be impossible to fade any other way than "lessening over time"... |
| 23:54:59 | amiconn | kugel: If the target offers fined-grained brightness setting, it's a more efficient way than software pwm |
| 23:55:31 | kugel | Ok |
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| 23:55:44 | kugel | So it isn't actually done in a bad way? |
| 23:55:46 | amiconn | On ipods and iriver h1x0 we only use software pwm becaus there is either no way to set brightness in hardware, or there are too few steps for smooth fading |
| 23:55:46 | Llorean | The problem with that patch, according to the comments, relates more to the code being threadsafe. |
| 23:56:28 | amiconn | E.g. ipod Nano/Video has 32 brightness levels in hardware - too few for smooth fading if you have set a low level to start with |
| 23:57:07 | amiconn | Gigabeat F/X with its 64 levels is abot the lowest limit for usable fading just by using hardware brightness |
| 23:57:39 | maraz | oblib: It works. |
| 23:57:53 | kugel | the e200 has 12 brightness levels |
| 23:58:03 | oblib | oh, I thought I had you try that with one of the bug report builds. |
| 23:58:03 | kugel | but it was smooth enough for me |
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