| 00:00:06 | preglow | the copies are almost certainly negligible compared to the rest of the stuff, so sure |
| 00:00:13 | preglow | i wasn't really looking for a huge speedup anyway |
| 00:01:56 | scorche|w | Zagor: ah....forget about it then...not worth the effort :) |
| 00:02:26 | roolku | Nico_P: no, my mistake. Looks good so far, playcount is updated correctly - will add some debug messages |
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| 00:10:19 | saratoga | linuxstb: is there a way for a codec to get the length of a file (for seeking)? |
| 00:10:56 | preglow | isn't that part of its id3 struct? |
| 00:11:48 | roolku | Nico_P: I can't fault your fix, commit it :) |
| 00:12:07 | Nico_P | :) |
| 00:12:08 | saratoga | preglow: no idea, never occured to me that it would be in there |
| 00:12:54 | Nico_P | roolku: I think I'll merge audio_release_tracks and audio_clear_track_entries before |
| 00:12:57 | roolku | Nico_P: if you look at http://pastebin.ca/793106 - line 24 and 25 (the data for track 6) were missing previously |
| 00:13:14 | preglow | saratoga: yeah, it's there, called filesize |
| 00:13:37 | saratoga | cool |
| 00:13:50 | saratoga | i spent all afternoon trapped in an air port with nothing but wma seeking to work on |
| 00:14:20 | saratoga | and i didn't really get far, some files still just randomly don't work, and each in their own special way |
| 00:14:31 | roolku | Nico_P: one thing I am surprised to see is that you read the metadata for certain tracks twice or three times - will this effect the elapsed time? |
| 00:15:27 | saratoga | i'm thinking of just commiting it with a check to make sure you don't seek out of the current file, and making it give up and skip to the next track if a seek fails |
| 00:15:33 | Nico_P | roolku: what do you mean? |
| 00:15:35 | roolku | Nico_P: I am guessing here, but does maybe the second copy override the first and eradicate any elapsed time or other runtime data? |
| 00:16:23 | roolku | Nico_P: example track 7 or track 14 (the lines starting with −−−− are get_metadata) |
| 00:19:11 | preglow | saratoga: hmm |
| 00:19:17 | preglow | saratoga: and no idea _why_ the files fail? |
| 00:19:44 | saratoga | preglow: some fail because the binary search gets stuck in an infinate loop (somehow) |
| 00:19:54 | saratoga | others just sort of die and skip to the next track for no obvious reason |
| 00:19:56 | preglow | well, that has to be debuggable |
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| 00:20:24 | saratoga | the loop thing is bizzare |
| 00:20:43 | saratoga | say the correct packet is 100, it'll ping back and forth between 99 and 101 forever |
| 00:21:09 | preglow | fancy bug, but should ultimately be debuggable with enough printfs :> |
| 00:21:10 | saratoga | i couldn't debug it mostly because i could reproduce it |
| 00:21:24 | saratoga | it would just happen rarely |
| 00:21:40 | preglow | anyway, that bug is kind of a showstopper |
| 00:21:48 | preglow | seeking not working is ok, but seeking hanging is not |
| 00:21:58 | saratoga | well its easy enough to hack away |
| 00:22:12 | saratoga | just limit the search to 5 packets and quit where you are |
| 00:22:17 | saratoga | but i'd like to fix it |
| 00:22:25 | preglow | well, then commiting it is ok with me, just stuff a warning in the commit message that it's not 100% |
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| 00:22:41 | saratoga | i guess i should hack up the sim some to allow me to do programatic seeks, since presumably that would be reproducible |
| 00:22:56 | preglow | oh yes, definitely the way to |
| 00:22:57 | preglow | go |
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| 00:23:05 | preglow | just make the sim dump the seek params, then find one that shits itself |
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| 00:23:23 | saratoga | this whole problem is infuratingly simple |
| 00:23:32 | billenium | BRB |
| 00:23:32 | preglow | many of them are :> |
| 00:23:35 | saratoga | i have a gettimestamp() function that works perfectly |
| 00:23:41 | saratoga | and has since August |
| 00:23:45 | saratoga | and yet, here we are |
| 00:24:11 | scorche|w | billenium: stop that |
| 00:24:57 | billenium | sorry |
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| 00:32:05 | H10_007quick | Hello, I am trying to compile in Ubuntu and have been succesful except that I get tonnes of warnings that read "recorder/recording.c:1579: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 3 of ‘screens[i].puts’ differ in signedness" Does anyone know what is wrong? Am I missing a package |
| 00:32:25 | H10_007quick | oh and not just errors in that file |
| 00:32:31 | H10_007quick | they are all over the place |
| 00:33:14 | Llorean | Are you using any patches? |
| 00:33:34 | H10_007quick | no |
| 00:33:42 | H10_007quick | just the standard svn version |
| 00:33:49 | XavierGr | can someone build voice menus under windows anymore? |
| 00:33:50 | H10_007quick | and there are no errors on the servers |
| 00:34:01 | XavierGr | (without vmware or cygwin) |
| 00:34:49 | H10_007quick | always get argument errors |
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| 00:36:03 | H10_007quick | oops I hit X one too many times did I mis something? |
| 00:36:50 | H10_007quick | Oh and some files do not have warnings at all |
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| 00:37:53 | H10_007quick | is it possible that I have the wrong C compiler? |
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| 00:40:47 | Zagor | H10_007quick: how did you build it? |
| 00:40:54 | n1s | H10_007quick: which version is your gcc and are you compiling a sim or for a target? |
| 00:41:05 | H10_007quick | target |
| 00:41:23 | H10_007quick | and I just ran the shell script rockboxdev.sh |
| 00:41:33 | H10_007quick | and compiled arm-elf-gcc |
| 00:41:38 | H10_007quick | and added it to my path |
| 00:41:51 | H10_007quick | and it compiles fine now just that there are tonnes of warnings |
| 00:41:56 | n1s | try arm-elf-gcc -v |
| 00:42:37 | H10_007quick | nope didn't help |
| 00:42:49 | n1s | but what did it print? |
| 00:43:06 | n1s | which version? |
| 00:43:11 | H10_007quick | oh |
| 00:43:50 | H10_007quick | 4.0.3 |
| 00:44:03 | XavierGr | How can someone use SAPI with linux? On the voicebuilding wiki page it says to you select your TTS engine on linux, but I thought that SAPI5 was windows only |
| 00:44:12 | n1s | great, did you perchance run configure before building the compiler? |
| 00:44:30 | H10_007quick | oh |
| 00:44:31 | Llorean | XavierGr: espeak, festival, flite? |
| 00:44:32 | H10_007quick | i did |
| 00:44:35 | n1s | XavierGr: cygwin users can |
| 00:44:42 | n1s | H10_007quick: rerun configure then :) |
| 00:45:25 | H10_007quick | ah thats better |
| 00:45:28 | H10_007quick | thanks alot |
| 00:45:44 | XavierGr | n1s: bah that's lame that means that I have to use both vmware and cygwin now :( |
| 00:45:51 | n1s | H10_007quick: the cause of those warnings is that gcc is a lot more picky since 4.0 and we simply disable them in config :) |
| 00:46:15 | n1s | XavierGr: or as Llorean suggested any narive linux engines... |
| 00:46:31 | n1s | s/narive/native |
| 00:46:47 | XavierGr | n1s: yes but native linux engines don't do many languages except the most popular ones |
| 00:49:08 | rasher | XavierGr: you're free to invent a way to use sapi voices on Linux, but until it exists, it's hard to support them. |
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| 00:51:13 | XavierGr | rasher: would it be possible to modify the old vbs scripts to make them work with langv2? |
| 00:52:01 | preglow | XavierGr: what scripts? |
| 00:52:10 | preglow | everything is possible, it just needs to be done |
| 00:52:22 | XavierGr | preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding under windows |
| 00:52:39 | Nico_P | roolku: sorry, I was on the phone for a while |
| 00:52:40 | rasher | It'd take a fair amount of work |
| 00:52:53 | preglow | it's not trivial, let's just say that |
| 00:52:55 | preglow | but very possible |
| 00:53:08 | rasher | And need some support from the build server (to save apps/features in a publicly available file) |
| 00:53:15 | Nico_P | roolku: the duplicate get_metadata calls for tracks 7 and 14 are because the first is to populate lasttrack_id3 and second is for the real buffering |
| 00:53:19 | XavierGr | ok I'll see what I can do |
| 00:54:26 | rasher | I'd say it's better to do the work to support running voice.pl standalone |
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| 00:54:53 | roolku | Nico_P: okay, probably no point in re-using the struct in memory? Why are there 3 for track 14? |
| 00:54:55 | rasher | Which again would require some help from the build server (perhaps it could generate a suitable .bat file during nightly builds) |
| 00:55:22 | XavierGr | it was a cool way to build voice menus nonetheless, quick and very easy, maybe I will start poking either these or voice.pl |
| 00:55:25 | Nico_P | hmm 3 calls is suspicious |
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| 01:00:48 | XavierGr | rasher: btw is there a reason why some languages on your page cant be clicked? |
| 01:01:02 | rasher | XavierGr: Because they're fully translated |
| 01:01:29 | XavierGr | rasher: ah yeah silly me, sorry :P |
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| 01:05:47 | jhMikeS | preglow: what was done in libmad to make it output 28 bits anyway? |
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| 01:07:14 | preglow | jhMikeS: nothing, that's how it's coded |
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| 01:07:30 | preglow | jhMikeS: but i'm quite sure simple modifications to the qmf filter data can make the precision less |
| 01:08:13 | jhMikeS | I'm asking since it seems to say it outputs 24-bit |
| 01:09:33 | preglow | well, that's bullshit |
| 01:09:35 | preglow | gimme a sec |
| 01:10:18 | preglow | jhMikeS: mpa.c sets sample depth to MAD_F_FRACBITS, that's defined as 28 in fixed.h |
| 01:10:28 | preglow | jhMikeS: where does it seem to say it outputs 24 bits? |
| 01:10:46 | jhMikeS | yeah, the source from the site says 28 too |
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| 01:11:12 | jhMikeS | http://www.underbit.com/products/mad/ |
| 01:11:16 | preglow | jhMikeS: btw, do you need any more iram from speex? there's still stuff left that can be reclaimed |
| 01:12:00 | jmworx | preglow: does the fixed-point wb encoder work for you on Coldfire? |
| 01:12:08 | jhMikeS | As far as IRAM I think every unneeded byte should be reclaimed. Too valuable. |
| 01:12:48 | jhMikeS | preglow: frankly I'm not seeing a problem with the dithering itself but it's possible to overflow since the additions are performed before clamping |
| 01:12:57 | preglow | jmworx: never tried it |
| 01:13:27 | preglow | jhMikeS: yep, know, and that's the next point i need to check out; does it really overflow |
| 01:13:58 | preglow | jhMikeS: if crossfeed alone doesn't overflow on arm, i'm somewhat skeptical |
| 01:14:21 | preglow | jhMikeS: and it didn't but the second i turned on dithering, clipping started on negative peaks |
| 01:15:24 | preglow | jmworx: i really haven't tried any of the encoders, there used to be libm stuff in there and i haven't had time since |
| 01:15:26 | jmworx | preglow: Can you try it? Someone's reporting a problem I can't reproduce, so I'd be curious to see whether you get it. |
| 01:15:50 | preglow | jmworx: a problem on coldfire? |
| 01:16:03 | jmworx | No, Blackfin, but using generic C code |
| 01:16:17 | preglow | jmworx: well, i'd need to actually enable the encoder bits and write a small encoder application, i don't really have time right now |
| 01:16:28 | jhMikeS | preglow: clipping or wrapping? |
| 01:16:31 | preglow | jhMikeS: wrapping |
| 01:16:48 | preglow | jmworx: but it might be interesting anyway, i'll see tomorrow |
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| 01:18:30 | jhMikeS | preglow: mpa won't pass DC will it? |
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| 01:19:19 | preglow | jhMikeS: hmm, i don't know, i've never seen it do it |
| 01:19:29 | preglow | jhMikeS: and from a compression standpoint, it'd be silly to even encode the dc coefficient |
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| 01:20:15 | markun | XavierGr: if greek support in espeak is not perfect, perhaps you could help out with fixing it |
| 01:20:50 | Nico_P | roolku: committed... sorry for being so slow |
| 01:22:24 | roolku | no problem, I am just glad it is fixed |
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| 01:25:31 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'll check out what else can be removed from iram tomorrow, but i think another 1kb can go |
| 01:26:13 | jhMikeS | 1KB? rather a massive amount imo. |
| 01:26:16 | linuxstb | Bah, just missed Zagor... |
| 01:26:22 | XavierGr | markun: greek support in espeak? First time I hear that, I will definitely try this, thanks for pointing it |
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| 01:26:35 | markun | XavierGr: it might not support it, let me check |
| 01:27:01 | linuxstb | Does this commit look wrong to anyone else? http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/viewer.c?r1=15745;r2=15746 Shouldn't the if() be testing for (settings_fd >= 0) ? |
| 01:27:37 | markun | XavierGr: yes, language "el" |
| 01:27:52 | XavierGr | markun: nice! |
| 01:27:57 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: uh, yeah, it should |
| 01:27:58 | markun | it also supports use with a greek voice of mbrola |
| 01:28:07 | preglow | jmworx: nb_celp.c:200, you init a state member twice |
| 01:28:19 | XavierGr | markun: I will make sure to try it |
| 01:28:22 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: OK, I'll fix |
| 01:28:24 | markun | XavierGr: I hope it's not old greek :) And it will probably not sound as good as the english voice |
| 01:29:01 | jmworx | preglow: oops |
| 01:29:25 | markun | jmworx: speexenc doesn't support resampling, right? |
| 01:29:30 | XavierGr | markun: haha you mean "ancient greek"? :P Well the loquendo SAPI5 voice file I have is the best tts I've ever heard, much better even from the english ones |
| 01:29:38 | preglow | markun: correct |
| 01:29:49 | XavierGr | markun: it seems to me that the greek language is quite tts friendly |
| 01:30:31 | jmworx | markun: No, it doesn't. Waiting for your patch :-) |
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| 01:30:56 | markun | jmworx: well, all the code is already there, right? |
| 01:31:02 | preglow | jmworx: should be fairly quick too, with resample.c |
| 01:31:11 | markun | that's what I mean |
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| 01:31:31 | preglow | markun: it's very quick, i use that resampler in rbspeexenc.c, and it needs very few lines of code to do a good job |
| 01:31:42 | jmworx | markun, preglow: yes, there's already a resampler and a ring buffer, so it wouldn't be hard indeed. |
| 01:31:56 | preglow | markun: go go! |
| 01:31:57 | preglow | :) |
| 01:32:08 | markun | not now, must sober up a bit first :) |
| 01:32:10 | jmworx | And should probably be the default to prevent idiots from encoding at 44.1 kHz despite the warning (and then complaining it doesn't sound good). |
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| 01:33:17 | markun | jmworx: why did you write the resampler? |
| 01:33:33 | rasher | preglow: rbspeexenc build problem on the mailinglist |
| 01:33:37 | XavierGr | bah tried apt-get install espeak but the links that apt-get tried to resolve returned 404 :( |
| 01:33:49 | rasher | XavierGr: apt-get update |
| 01:33:50 | Llorean | rasher: More of a dev-environment problem from the looks of it? |
| 01:33:57 | rasher | YEah, I just noticed |
| 01:34:02 | jmworx | markun: To get rid of linear interpolation resamplers once and for all. |
| 01:34:23 | preglow | jmworx: ubuntu distributes a wb 44.1khz spx file as part of its example content :P |
| 01:34:25 | XavierGr | rasher: yes trying that now :) |
| 01:34:33 | markun | jmworx: ... which we still use for rockbox :) |
| 01:34:35 | jmworx | preglow: Damn idiots. Where? |
| 01:34:55 | Llorean | jmworx: When you install, there's examples linked to from your desktop. Media files and such. |
| 01:34:57 | preglow | jmworx: in the Examples/ folder it puts in your home dir |
| 01:35:11 | preglow | fables_01_01_aesop.spx |
| 01:35:14 | preglow | and it does sound rather horrible |
| 01:35:28 | jmworx | Ouch! |
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| 01:36:37 | preglow | ouch indeed |
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| 01:36:59 | Llorean | Ouch |
| 01:37:01 | markun | project gutenberg uses wideband for librivox audiobooks, but the quality is pretty low |
| 01:37:04 | Llorean | I hadn't listened to it before, but yeah... ick |
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| 01:38:26 | preglow | markun: this is one of their files |
| 01:38:54 | Llorean | It's something like 38kbpsish 44.1khz audio |
| 01:39:32 | markun | preglow: these ones are 16kHz http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/20973 |
| 01:39:34 | jmworx | I think in the mean time, I'll add a −−i-am-an-idiot option without which speexenc will refuse to encode at 44.1 kHz |
| 01:39:46 | preglow | jmworx: :D |
| 01:39:57 | Llorean | jmworx: −−codec-abuse-time ? |
| 01:39:59 | preglow | sounds excellent to me |
| 01:41:28 | jmworx | −−ive-been-warned-it-will-sound-bad-but-i-cant-help-but-do-it-anyway-cuz-im-an-idiot |
| 01:41:47 | jmworx | I think that should be good enough as a deterrent |
| 01:42:33 | jhMikeS | what! it won't do 96kHz? ;) |
| 01:42:33 | preglow | i suspect it will drive the point home, if nothing else |
| 01:43:03 | preglow | soon you'll find people encoding at 44099 hz to avoid this |
| 01:44:16 | jhMikeS | why would that get around it? it should proceed to format the HD if attempted. |
| 01:45:19 | preglow | markun: i'm not getting any bugreport on rbspeexenc build |
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| 01:45:39 | markun | preglow: wrong person.. |
| 01:45:52 | preglow | orly |
| 01:46:07 | jhMikeS | markun: preglow types the wrong person alot :) (an autocomplete bug) |
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| 01:50:06 | preglow | oh, that was just a memory error |
| 01:50:09 | preglow | rasher: i'm not getting any bugreport on rbspeexenc build |
| 01:50:25 | XavierGr | err I got an error while I tried to make voice: |
| 01:50:27 | preglow | rasher and markun sound alike in my head :) |
| 01:50:49 | rasher | preglow: It was on the -user list, but it's just another user lacking cc1.exe |
| 01:50:50 | XavierGr | "No rule to make target `inttypes.h', needed by `bits.o'. Stop." |
| 01:51:12 | preglow | rasher: can't help with that |
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| 01:52:03 | preglow | rasher: well, i hate cygwin, so can't fix that for him |
| 01:52:23 | XavierGr | It showed that error trying to compile rbspeexenc as it seems |
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| 01:54:17 | Llorean | Bagder: do you have shell access to the forums server, or is it only LinusN and Jeff? |
| 01:57:52 | * | jhMikeS was getting that error on Debian VMWare early on |
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| 02:00:21 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: Will is make from within tools/rbspeex? |
| 02:00:22 | XavierGr | does rbspeexenc.c has any dependencies? |
| 02:00:35 | Llorean | It seems the mysql version being used by our forum server needs upgraded. |
| 02:00:45 | Llorean | The bug is fixed in 4.0.28, we're 4.0.27. =/ |
| 02:00:54 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: you mean if I run the make command from tools/rbspeex? |
| 02:00:57 | jhMikeS | yeah |
| 02:01:08 | jhMikeS | it works here |
| 02:01:10 | XavierGr | no I did configure then make voice on the target folder |
| 02:02:17 | XavierGr | I don't have speex installed though |
| 02:02:24 | XavierGr | (if that matters) |
| 02:03:16 | mschneider | Sorry to interrupt, but is there any way for me to continually run a program in the background while running rockbox? |
| 02:03:24 | XavierGr | nope still the same error after apt-get install speex |
| 02:03:34 | jhMikeS | no, it's nothing to do with that |
| 02:04:03 | Llorean | mschneider: Look at the battery_bench plugin |
| 02:04:31 | markun | XavierGr: speex or espeak? |
| 02:04:40 | XavierGr | wow! now I get errors just trying to build tools on make bin! |
| 02:05:08 | XavierGr | damn it, it seems that apt-get update and then apt-get install espeak messed somehow my compiler? |
| 02:05:33 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: I'd just try 'make' from tools/rbspeex and see if it actually works from theere |
| 02:06:37 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: I will try that too, but I think that I just messed up my vmware image |
| 02:06:48 | XavierGr | pitty and it was working quite nice :\ |
| 02:07:49 | preglow | jmworx: is DISABLE_VBR only meant as a temporary measure to allow building fixed point encoders, or is it supposed to stay? |
| 02:07:49 | jhMikeS | apt-get is a constant pile |
| 02:07:52 | preglow | i sassume the first |
| 02:08:35 | * | jhMikeS wonders why no build is triggering a rbspeexenc build |
| 02:08:38 | XavierGr | I just hope that I had a backup of the whole image |
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| 02:08:52 | XavierGr | it was a custom one with the sims cross compiled for windows |
| 02:09:09 | jmworx | preglow: It's meant to stay for code size reduction purposes, even when the VBR code is converted |
| 02:09:49 | jhMikeS | options (A)+(V) should make voice stuff right? |
| 02:10:18 | preglow | jmworx: okiedokie |
| 02:10:24 | preglow | jhMikeS: aye |
| 02:10:55 | jhMikeS | I don't see rbspeexenc even coming up in make tools |
| 02:10:55 | preglow | jmworx: same with DISABLE_FLOAT_API, i take it? |
| 02:11:42 | jmworx | preglow: DISABLE_FLOAT_API is meant to stay exactly as it is, because those parts just cannot be converted to fixed-point |
| 02:11:56 | jhMikeS | it's not getting built...hmmm |
| 02:12:56 | rasher | jhMikeS: make voicetools |
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| 02:14:46 | webguest53 | Hiya |
| 02:15:03 | webguest53 | Forums say "Database Error: Please try again. If you come back to this error screen, report the error to an administrator." |
| 02:15:33 | jhMikeS | aha...make help doesn't show that :) |
| 02:15:42 | rasher | jhMikeS: Blame linuxstb |
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| 02:15:57 | jhMikeS | svn blame linuxstb |
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| 02:16:36 | erchino | hi |
| 02:16:39 | jhMikeS | ok, it did build ok for me though |
| 02:16:47 | erchino | hoe do i uninstall the bootloader??? |
| 02:17:14 | Llorean | erchino: The way the manual says? |
| 02:17:17 | rasher | erchino: That's described in full detail in the manual. |
| 02:17:34 | preglow | jmworx: lingering mention of EPIC_48K in include/speex/speex.h |
| 02:17:51 | erchino | thanks |
| 02:18:27 | jmworx | preglow: thanks |
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| 02:24:02 | erchino | it says unsupported uninstall?atioin... |
| 02:24:38 | erchino | on rbutil |
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| 02:26:24 | erchino | help please... |
| 02:26:33 | erchino | i installed manually |
| 02:26:40 | * | Mouser_X has never used rbutil. |
| 02:26:54 | erchino | damn... |
| 02:27:06 | * | preglow wonders if rockbox will ever need jitter.c |
| 02:27:43 | erchino | it says unsopported bootloader uninstall method... |
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| 02:28:58 | erchino | help... |
| 02:29:31 | Mouser_X | What target do you have? |
| 02:29:36 | * | Mouser_X assumes iPod. |
| 02:29:37 | erchino | target?? |
| 02:29:39 | erchino | ipod? |
| 02:29:42 | erchino | 5gen... |
| 02:29:50 | jhMikeS | preglow: is that for network transmission? |
| 02:29:50 | XavierGr | yay! fixed it |
| 02:30:10 | XavierGr | after installing espeak I had to install again gcc and g++ |
| 02:30:27 | XavierGr | then make sure to build all the rockbox tools, then try to make voice |
| 02:30:44 | XavierGr | else you will get errors |
| 02:31:38 | preglow | jhMikeS: yes |
| 02:31:43 | preglow | jhMikeS: for reordering packets and such |
| 02:32:00 | preglow | jhMikeS: don't get me wrong, it's not linked in, i just wonder if i should bother to continue syncing it |
| 02:32:24 | erchino | ... |
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| 02:33:42 | Llorean | erchino: What did you use to install Rockbox? |
| 02:34:23 | erchino | i think it was terminal on mac |
| 02:34:56 | erchino | console |
| 02:35:12 | Llorean | What program? |
| 02:35:47 | erchino | console on mac |
| 02:36:38 | Llorean | Yes, but you can't install it without certain utilities. |
| 02:36:42 | Llorean | Which instructions did you follow? |
| 02:37:16 | erchino | some on in this channel helped me |
| 02:37:21 | erchino | to install it |
| 02:37:26 | erchino | but now I want to uninstall |
| 02:37:29 | erchino | and I cant... |
| 02:37:41 | Llorean | Yes, and to offer you advice, I need to know what you actually *did* to install it. |
| 02:37:57 | preglow | woo, two green deltas for me today |
| 02:38:01 | erchino | i gotr in to console... |
| 02:38:18 | erchino | and he told me get in to the ipod root somethihng like that |
| 02:38:42 | erchino | and told me to type something manually to extrac the rockbox files to the ipod manually |
| 02:39:15 | Llorean | It's really not helping if you're just telling me "I did something, and something." |
| 02:39:23 | Llorean | Did you use ipod_fw? ipodpatcher? dd? |
| 02:39:28 | erchino | yes |
| 02:39:32 | erchino | I download it |
| 02:39:41 | Llorean | The answer to all of those questions can't be "yes" |
| 02:39:43 | erchino | but I couldnt extract it to the root of the ipod |
| 02:41:27 | rasher | XavierGr: it's generally a good idea to pay attention to what (if anything) gets removed when you apt-get install stuff.. |
| 02:41:45 | XavierGr | rasher: indeed |
| 02:42:07 | amiconn | That's why I prefer a graphical tool like synaptic |
| 02:42:21 | rasher | I don't see the difference |
| 02:42:26 | erchino | ... |
| 02:42:28 | rasher | apt-get presents a list of what it's going to do |
| 02:42:32 | erchino | that is totally true... |
| 02:42:37 | erchino | now im stuck... |
| 02:43:19 | rasher | erchino: Did you use ipod_fw, ipodpatcher or dd? |
| 02:43:35 | erchino | i dont even know that is those things... |
| 02:43:38 | erchino | sorry... |
| 02:43:52 | Llorean | erchino: You never answered my question. Which of those programs did you use? |
| 02:44:02 | erchino | no idea... |
| 02:44:10 | erchino | I think it was ipodpatcher |
| 02:44:16 | Llorean | Then try using ipodpatcher to uninstall it |
| 02:44:24 | Llorean | If you run ipodpatcher it should provide you that option. |
| 02:45:22 | erchino | let me try |
| 02:45:23 | erchino | ... |
| 02:45:40 | erchino | yes I did use that |
| 02:45:48 | erchino | but hhnow do i uninstall it? |
| 02:46:05 | Llorean | If you run ipodpatcher it should provide you that option. |
| 02:47:27 | preglow | jmworx: speex_memset() in os_support.h currently reuses OVERRIDE_SPEEX_MOVE, that's got to be wrong |
| 02:47:35 | erchino | thanks... |
| 02:47:38 | erchino | worked |
| 02:48:17 | XavierGr | what the hell... |
| 02:48:46 | XavierGr | it just spells out the letters in the worst voice quality I've ever heard |
| 02:48:56 | XavierGr | and no not in folders or files |
| 02:49:04 | XavierGr | menu itens |
| 02:49:47 | XavierGr | well not too weird that the greek.voice file is 4.69MB. If the entries are spelled out each sentence is HUGE |
| 02:50:35 | XavierGr | or maybe I just set up the voice file with the wrong options |
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| 02:53:44 | MacSob | hey all, I just installed ROckbox on my iPod video, everything looks and workds great... one problem I do have is my iHome dock remote control doesnt seem to work. Any ideas? |
| 02:54:09 | MacSob | small thing, I can live without it, just wondering if I missed something |
| 02:54:13 | preglow | jmworx: somewhat updated patch, http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/mem_functions_plus_copy_eliminate.diff |
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| 02:55:32 | MacSob | thanks |
| 02:56:01 | MacSob | user manual has instructions to apply? |
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| 02:56:52 | krazykit | MacSob, there's a wiki page that have various docks and peripherals listed. it's linked from the ipod page. |
| 02:57:20 | MacSob | thanks, ill go check it out. I knew I missed something |
| 02:58:03 | MacSob | i must say that this is tons better than the original firmware :) but im sure you all know that |
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| 03:11:16 | K-Man666 | Hey, Im Kaspar Rothenfusser (which is also my wikiName) I just wanted to ask for a writing permission to the wiki as I am willing to put me in the RockboxTesting list for the sansa c200v1 and e200v1 which I've both been owning now for a (rather) short time |
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| 03:15:35 | tkooda | how the heck do I clear the playlist? |
| 03:15:43 | Llorean | Press stop? |
| 03:15:56 | tkooda | what "stop"? |
| 03:16:03 | tkooda | no stop button on gigabeat F40 |
| 03:16:06 | keanu | question: since people can't agree on an e200 keymap, would it be worth having a patch to allow users to switch between keymaps (assuming it'd be possible) |
| 03:16:11 | Llorean | No, but there's a button that stops playback |
| 03:16:20 | Llorean | Separate from the button that pauses playback |
| 03:16:21 | XavierGr | well espeak on greek works decently but too computerized for my taste |
| 03:16:24 | Llorean | As is covered by the manual |
| 03:16:36 | XavierGr | Loquendo has such a nice tts, pity that it isn't free |
| 03:17:00 | Llorean | keanu: There really aren't a large number of people complaining. |
| 03:17:45 | Llorean | Not to mention the somewhat long standing no-option-to-change-buttons policy. |
| 03:18:44 | tkooda | Llorean, tapping the power button on a gigabeat F40 stops playback, but I still can't find any way to clear the playlist (whilst playback is stopped either) |
| 03:20:05 | keanu | Llorean, I understand how devs wouldn't want to change buttons, but I was thinking something similar to kbd files for the text editor. Granted, those two are different, but simply having the option for users to change keymaps would prevent everyone from complaining |
| 03:20:50 | mud-rb | tkooda: once playback is stopped, and music you insert starts a clean playlist with only that music |
| 03:21:00 | mud-rb | tkooda: it's all pretty clear in the manual, by the way |
| 03:21:13 | mud-rb | s/and/any |
| 03:21:16 | jmworx | preglow: I'm wondering whether a SPEEX_MOVE() macro would be more appropriate. Could be something like: |
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| 03:21:35 | tkooda | mud-rb, aah thanks. |
| 03:21:48 | tkooda | mud-rb, I found the manual to be unclear, btw. |
| 03:22:06 | jmworx | #define SPEEX_MOVE(dst, src, N) memmove(dst, src, N*sizeof(*dst)) and even check that the pointers are compatible |
| 03:22:26 | Llorean | keanu: It would also add a very significant amount of complexity to the cod.e |
| 03:23:01 | Llorean | keanu: If people want to create their own whole keymap, the file keymap-e200.c in /apps/keymaps is there for them. |
| 03:23:11 | keanu | Llorean, ok, so while possible, it wouldn't be worth it? |
| 03:23:14 | amiconn | The main reason why we do not want configurable buttons is support |
| 03:23:17 | Llorean | Editing it is honestly about as simple as you can make it anyway |
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| 03:24:36 | Llorean | amiconn: Not to mention the fact that you'd either need to dumb it down to the point where people just pick which button is going to replace "Select" and then it gets all select's old functions, or you'd need to make it complex enough to be able to pick what a key does in every single possible situation in which you can press that key |
| 03:25:28 | keanu | Yes, but for users who aren't familiar with building/compiling may get annoyed. I'm not trying to start a huge argument, but it seems that some think Rockbox keymaps should be similar for all targets, while others think keymaps should be similar to the OF. It seems that there isn't much of a compromise otherwise, which is why I was wondering if it'd be worth having they keymaps changeable |
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| 03:26:10 | amiconn | One problem would be users who misconfigured their buttons and then are unable to revert, but the biggest problem would be to explain all the interdependencies and hardware limitations |
| 03:26:17 | Llorean | keanu: Honestly, is it so much trouble to spend a little while getting used to a new keymap, when you've got about a thousand new features as well? |
| 03:28:20 | krazykit | or a little time learning to build rockbox and work svn enough to revert the keymap. |
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| 03:29:15 | keanu | Llorean, I can agree with that - since Rockbox supported sound on the e200 I've only been using the OF for USB. I can't think of anything to compare it to at the moment, but I think it boils down to older users being frustrated about how what keymaps once worked no longer do |
| 03:29:38 | Llorean | keanu: So basically, I should've changed it sooner? |
| 03:29:50 | Llorean | I'm all for mapping the keys based on the restrictions and or benefits of specific hardware, but I don't think that taking it to the point of attempting to duplicate the original hardware is a good idea. I think using it for inspiration isn't bad, but I really like to try to keep the keys consistent between screens to how they go between screens in Rockbox rather than the OF |
| 03:30:07 | keanu | Llorean, I think if it was changed sooner, it would have been easier for people to adjust |
| 03:30:16 | Llorean | This makes supporting it easier, as well as designing new parts of it cross-platform |
| 03:30:51 | Llorean | You know that the ACTION_STD_CANCEL is likely to be in a good place for a stop or cancel key, so you can depend on it being "good" a little more |
| 03:31:29 | Llorean | And of course, when someone's old Rockbox player dies, and they buy a new one, the learning curve is a lot less steep. Once they learn which button does ACTION_STD_CANCEL, they know how to use everything that uses button actions for its keymap |
| 03:36:45 | keanu | Hmm...good points. To developers, having keymaps consistant makes perfect sense (and to those with multiple DAPs) but to casual users, not so much. I think I may have something to compare the keymaps to - the terminology differences between browsers (like IE and Firefox - Temporary Internet Files vs Cache for example) - I think if there were a chart/table comparing the new keymaps to the old, it'd help some users. I personally had quite a bit of tro |
| 03:36:45 | keanu | uble finding the context menu with the new keymaps |
| 03:37:17 | Llorean | keanu: I updated the manual |
| 03:37:21 | Llorean | It shouldn't have been hard at all. |
| 03:37:30 | Llorean | I liken it to the left and right mouse buttons |
| 03:37:46 | Llorean | Any time you buy a new mouse, you know if it has two buttons on it, one will be left, and one will be right |
| 03:37:58 | Llorean | Once you learn which is which, then you know what they'll do in most programs, if you already know the program too |
| 03:38:22 | Llorean | If you buy a new dap, there will be a "Select" (or equivalent), a "Menu" (A-B on irivers, etc, but a button that summons the menu), a Left, a Right, a Play/Pause, etc. |
| 03:38:30 | Llorean | Once you know what those are, the rest of Rockbox works as expected. |
| 03:38:37 | Llorean | You don't have to learn which does what in every single screen. |
| 03:38:45 | Llorean | I know a lot of people only own one DAP |
| 03:38:54 | Llorean | But an awful lot of Rockbox users buy a new Rockboxable DAP when their old one dies. |
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| 03:39:13 | Llorean | The only people mirroring the OF really helps is people who expect to only own one Rockbox DAP ever. |
| 03:39:48 | Llorean | And even then, I think in some cases mirroring the OF means you have to make compromises on some functionality. Like the nearly-missing "Stop" button on the Sansa previously. |
| 03:39:49 | keanu | Llorean, I'm having trouble finding it in the manual - what chapter is it in? |
| 03:40:07 | Llorean | keanu: I do believe the keymap is in "Getting Started" |
| 03:40:20 | alienbiker99 | your definately right Llorean. i like having similar keymaps throughout rockbox, so switching between daps is easy to remember |
| 03:40:39 | Llorean | Or maybe quickstart |
| 03:41:01 | * | Llorean is really not sure. |
| 03:41:20 | Llorean | The platform file for the manual that you edit to update the keymaps in it doesn't actually map to any specific page, because it's just macros to replace every mention of that key |
| 03:41:37 | Llorean | keanu: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-380004 |
| 03:41:50 | Llorean | It's referred to as the "File Menu" in the manual, which I'm not terribly fond of. |
| 03:42:20 | Llorean | Hm, there's an error there |
| 03:42:21 | Llorean | =/ |
| 03:42:47 | keanu | ok, thanks |
| 03:43:00 | Llorean | But the error is for "Stop" |
| 03:43:04 | Llorean | The context menu seems to be correct |
| 03:43:16 | keanu | yeah - |
| 03:43:26 | keanu | "Stop" is menu, not long play |
| 03:44:25 | keanu | that definitely helps, though I'm thinking about comparing everything between the keymaps and making a table with the changes |
| 03:44:25 | Llorean | Stop is Power |
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| 03:45:31 | keanu | Yes |
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| 03:47:48 | Llorean | I still wonder about the person who said the menu button is the button he presses the most. |
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| 03:50:43 | TheBudMan | Hello room....Where can I download the latest rockbox installer x? |
| 03:51:05 | Llorean | That's unofficial, unsupported, and outdated software. |
| 03:51:11 | Llorean | Try using the official install method. |
| 03:52:06 | TheBudMan | which is? |
| 03:52:14 | Llorean | In the manual? |
| 03:52:39 | TheBudMan | Sorry I'm new to this |
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| 03:52:59 | Llorean | I would suggest visiting the Rockbox website, then |
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| 04:20:24 | saratoga | i haven't tried it on a device yet, but the new wma seeking patch I put on the tracker works pretty well on the sim |
| 04:21:33 | psycho_maniac | flyspray number please. |
| 04:23:14 | saratoga | 7989 |
| 04:24:25 | psycho_maniac | now i just have to find some wma files |
| 04:24:53 | saratoga | i don't have my cable handy so i didn't try it on device |
| 04:25:02 | saratoga | so no promises it will work as well there |
| 04:25:04 | saratoga | though it should |
| 04:25:13 | psycho_maniac | ill try it on my ipod video |
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| 04:33:41 | psycho_maniac | wow i havnt updated svn in a long time i guess. |
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| 05:08:10 | TwilightInZero | Mkay, before I ask my question... is this channel strictly for Rockbox itself, or does it pertain also to the hardware that runs it, like iPods? |
| 05:08:34 | Llorean | It only pertains to the hardware that runs it in the context of running it and developing it for that hardware. |
| 05:08:50 | TwilightInZero | So if I'm having problems with the hardware, I can't ask for assistance here, then? |
| 05:09:24 | Llorean | Do the problems have anything to do with Rockbox? |
| 05:09:31 | TwilightInZero | No. |
| 05:09:39 | TwilightInZero | ...I will move to the other channel. |
| 05:10:00 | TwilightInZero | See you there... maybe? |
| 05:10:10 | DogBoy | linuxstb, yea I "misspoke" when I said better cook support, I meant any |
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| 05:17:12 | psycho_maniac | saratoga: this patch is messed up on my player. |
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| 05:21:15 | DogBoy | linuxstb, though I have used realplayer on a palm tungsten e2 |
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| 08:38:38 | GodEater | why did the DRM thread get locked ? |
| 08:39:23 | LinusN | it is? |
| 08:40:13 | Llorean | Ask Soap |
| 08:40:44 | GodEater | he locked it ? |
| 08:41:02 | * | GodEater has been trying to work out how you tell who locks threads, |
| 08:41:13 | Llorean | I have a button |
| 08:41:18 | GodEater | and when are you going to ban ONE_HUMAN again ;) |
| 08:41:19 | Mouser_X | If someone figured out how to play DRMed music, and posted a patch on the tracker, would it be removed by admins? (I assume that it would, for legal reason.) |
| 08:41:26 | Llorean | It tells me all the "moderations" that have been performed |
| 08:41:31 | Llorean | Threads deleted, moved, or locked. |
| 08:41:34 | GodEater | nice ubtton :) |
| 08:41:38 | GodEater | er, button |
| 08:41:44 | Llorean | I also have one that tells me all the errors that have been logged. |
| 08:41:51 | Llorean | Apparently mistyping your password qualifies as an error. |
| 08:41:56 | GodEater | hehe |
| 08:41:59 | Llorean | So I know who are particularly bad at typing their own passwords |
| 08:42:18 | GodEater | Mouser_X: yes it would - it would be software to violate a license agreement, which we're against. |
| 08:42:40 | Llorean | Yep |
| 08:42:57 | scorche | Llorean: do tell! :P |
| 08:43:10 | Llorean | We don't want people violating the GPL so we should do our best not to go violating other peoples' licenses |
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| 08:43:50 | GodEater | scorche: I have so many variations on the same password from place to place I often get it wrong when I sign into the forums from a new computer |
| 08:44:22 | Llorean | Besides, in all honesty, if we don't like DRM, the right way to fight it is to go out of our way *not* to support it, so people fed up with it stop paying for it. In my opinion. |
| 08:44:36 | Mouser_X | ^ Good point. |
| 08:44:45 | Llorean | Circumventing it takes the edge off the restrictions they put on the user |
| 08:44:47 | GodEater | Llorean: indeed - which is the point I was trying to make to Hef |
| 08:44:54 | GodEater | it appeared to fall on deaf ears :( |
| 08:45:39 | GodEater | he didn't seem to understand the irony of his complaint |
| 08:45:41 | * | scorche already knew it was soap >_> |
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| 08:46:09 | scorche | silly PM... |
| 08:46:12 | GodEater | I didn't think the discussion was done |
| 08:46:38 | Mouser_X | Am I supposed to be able to access "themes.rockbox.org" yet? |
| 08:46:41 | LinusN | i'm surprised it was locked |
| 08:46:52 | scorche | Mouser_X: no |
| 08:46:53 | Mouser_X | (It's not working, but I might have typed it wrong.) |
| 08:47:04 | GodEater | LniusN: me too - it wasn't offensive, and was quite informative I thought |
| 08:47:06 | scorche | no it isnt... |
| 08:47:14 | scorche | DNS has had plenty of time to propagate.. |
| 08:47:23 | Mouser_X | Ah. I saw some minor discussion about it when I logged into IRC, so I wasn't sure. |
| 08:48:40 | Llorean | GodEater: Go ahead and unlock it? |
| 08:49:05 | GodEater | well I was going to - but I wanted to find out why it got locked in the first place in case I was stepping on someone's toes |
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| 08:55:12 | GodEater | can't bloody unlock it now - forums are in "swimming through pitch" mode |
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| 09:00:44 | freader | Is the latest implementation of file_exists() correct? I think it will also return true if the specified path refers to a dir (and not to a file). What is the intended semantics of the func? |
| 09:01:32 | amiconn | jhMikeS: around? |
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| 09:02:40 | GodEater | freader: that sounds like correct behaviour to me |
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| 09:06:30 | amiconn | freader: Why would it? |
| 09:06:52 | amiconn | open("/thats_a_dir") should fail with EISDIR |
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| 09:22:37 | linuxstb | Has anyone tried WMA seeking? It seems to freeze whenever I seek by more than a couple of minutes in my 2h (110MB) test track... |
| 09:22:59 | GodEater | is it at least an interesting 2 hour long wma ? :) |
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| 09:23:31 | linuxstb | Sure, a John Peel show... |
| 09:24:04 | * | GodEater googles John Peel |
| 09:24:14 | * | linuxstb hopes GodEater is joking... |
| 09:24:20 | GodEater | sadly not |
| 09:24:22 | GodEater | oh him |
| 09:24:27 | * | scorche joins in for the googling |
| 09:24:47 | * | GodEater suspects linuxstb will let scorche off for googling |
| 09:25:03 | linuxstb | Only because I'm still in shock you didn't know him ;) |
| 09:25:17 | GodEater | you expect scorche to know a Radio 1 DJ (deceased) ? |
| 09:25:20 | scorche | ah...an english thing :) |
| 09:26:00 | saratoga | linuxstb: I only had tracks < 5 minutes for testing |
| 09:26:17 | linuxstb | saratoga: Seeks fail consistently with my test track. |
| 09:26:20 | GodEater | linuxstb: sounds like you need to spread the good word of John Peel then ;) |
| 09:26:44 | saratoga | what happens when it fails? |
| 09:27:35 | scorche | Bagder: around? |
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| 09:27:40 | Bagder | yeps |
| 09:28:01 | linuxstb | saratoga: (hoping you read the logs) It just freezes, sometimes with "seeking" displayed, but not always. Buttons are unresponsive. |
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| 09:37:01 | * | linuxstb also notices a post in flyspray reporting problems with the last WMA seeking patch and wonders if that patch was what was committed |
| 09:38:42 | freader | amiconn: I think, it's possible to open a dir with open(). In UNIX, everything is a file, even dirs. |
| 09:40:10 | freader | amiconn: that's why at some places in code, not open() but opendir() and then iteration over entries is used (with attrs testing) |
| 09:40:18 | linuxstb | Yes, you can open a directory read-only with open() |
| 09:40:40 | linuxstb | Not sure about Rockbox's implementation though... |
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| 09:50:14 | freader | linuxstb: I think it's different in the sim and on target. In sim, you can't, on target you can :-/ |
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| 09:51:40 | linuxstb | Then it sounds like a bug (or at least, variation from POSIX) in Rockbox's open implementation - in the sim, I would expect it to use the system open() |
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| 09:54:02 | Bagder | look, a t0mas! |
| 09:54:13 | * | t0mas hides |
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| 09:54:33 | scorche | Bagder: i flushed him out => |
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| 09:54:51 | scorche | (have a look at /cs info #rockbox) |
| 09:55:24 | t0mas | btw.. Bagder and Zagor had accesslevel 29 too? |
| 09:55:47 | scorche | i plan on shuffling that around a bit |
| 09:55:55 | scorche | (not removing theirs) |
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| 10:01:00 | DerPapst | scorche: my sansa arrived today :-) |
| 10:01:11 | scorche | goody :) |
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| 10:01:21 | Bagder | not sansa view by any chance? ;-) |
| 10:01:34 | DerPapst | smaller than i thought ;) |
| 10:02:28 | markun | hi t0mas! |
| 10:02:30 | DerPapst | will try to install rb on it this evening.. and then complain to you guys if i "broke" it ]:-> |
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| 10:05:54 | scorche | there shall be many ops around here soon.. |
| 10:06:19 | petur | was there a shortage recently? |
| 10:06:27 | * | petur checks the log |
| 10:06:53 | Bagder | we shall all be ops and kick everyone! |
| 10:07:10 | * | petur kicks Bagder first |
| 10:07:35 | scorche | petur: it has been requested many times and been on my list of things to do, but all devs shall be ops (we already trust em to not delete svn ;) |
| 10:07:50 | petur | next, we can start throwing empty beer bottles :) |
| 10:08:05 | JdGordon | scorche: deleting svn and random kick bans need different trust... |
| 10:08:09 | JdGordon | svn can be reverted :p |
| 10:08:20 | scorche | JdGordon: there will be access control |
| 10:08:21 | * | JdGordon slaps petur for 2 weeks ago.... |
| 10:08:32 | JdGordon | tripel karmilat sucks... |
| 10:08:39 | petur | no way |
| 10:08:43 | JdGordon | karmelet even |
| 10:08:50 | petur | karmeliet even |
| 10:09:02 | pixelma | then it maybe was a fake ;) |
| 10:09:08 | JdGordon | it tastes the same as the cheap german crap thats 1/3 the price! |
| 10:09:17 | JdGordon | that could be it! |
| 10:09:22 | petur | no way at all |
| 10:09:30 | JdGordon | but goign to the belgium beer garden was fun anyway |
| 10:09:52 | scorche | anyway, i am off to bed...you can highlight me if you want to call my attention to something.. |
| 10:10:11 | JdGordon | scorche: oy! ignore this... im being mean :D |
| 10:10:22 | * | petur lights torch on scorche |
| 10:10:36 | scorche | petur: i knew JdGordon would, but you too? ;) |
| 10:10:42 | JdGordon | hehe |
| 10:10:56 | * | scorche was waiting for JdGordon to do something before he went for real.. |
| 10:11:03 | JdGordon | sure... sure.... |
| 10:11:33 | * | petur hands torch to JdGordon and goes back to work |
| 10:11:39 | scorche | JdGordon: face it...you are predictable :) |
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| 10:14:01 | * | JdGordon hopes this patch gives a big green delta... getting sick of fixing these errors |
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| 10:22:48 | t0mas | markun! :D |
| 10:23:30 | * | t0mas has missed coding-rockbox :) |
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| 10:27:21 | amiconn | hi DerPapst |
| 10:28:35 | amiconn | DerPapst: Are you running current rockbox on your 3rd gens? |
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| 10:46:25 | DerPapst | amiconn: about 2 weeks old i guess. |
| 10:46:31 | DerPapst | but i can update |
| 10:49:44 | * | DerPapst compiles |
| 10:51:11 | amiconn | There seems to be a problem with stability on PP5002 |
| 10:52:21 | amiconn | It *almost* looks like a stack overflow, as I get all sorts of bad things happening: Data aborts in DRAM or IRAM, undefined instructions all over the place, Panics, and freezes |
| 10:52:43 | DerPapst | eh.. sounds fun :-/ |
| 10:53:10 | DerPapst | bah.. getting compiling errors :-/ |
| 10:53:53 | amiconn | The strange thing is that it doesn't happen with every build. Looks like some alignment covers the problem from time to time |
| 10:54:30 | amiconn | Unfortunately I can't tell precisely when this problem was introduced. Somewhere between August and now |
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| 10:54:52 | amiconn | I first thought it might be a hardware problem of my 2nd Gen |
| 10:55:33 | DerPapst | i can't compile... this is odd. |
| 10:56:54 | pixelma | DerPapst: after a "make clean" and reconfigure? |
| 10:57:09 | DerPapst | getting errors in firmware/target/arm/system-arm.h: In function `queue_enable_queue_send' |
| 10:57:11 | DerPapst | yes |
| 10:57:31 | DerPapst | i even hat "deleted" firmware/ and checked it out again |
| 10:58:26 | DerPapst | http://pastebin.ca/793499 |
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| 11:00:26 | amiconn | Wrong toolchain? (ipl maybe?) |
| 11:01:11 | LinusN | DerPapst: which compiler version do you have? |
| 11:01:11 | DerPapst | heh |
| 11:01:14 | * | DerPapst hides |
| 11:01:39 | DerPapst | i thought the ipl toolchain is prefixed arm-uclinux-elf-gcc |
| 11:01:48 | DerPapst | but obviously it's not :P |
| 11:02:53 | jmspeex | preglow: ping |
| 11:09:25 | linuxstb | DerPapst: The kernel toolchain is, but the userland one is arm-elf-gcc as well... |
| 11:09:50 | DerPapst | aha |
| 11:10:06 | DerPapst | compiling works now. |
| 11:10:21 | DerPapst | have to figure out how to switch between those two |
| 11:10:39 | linuxstb | Remove the IPL one and come and join Rockbox full-time ;) |
| 11:10:52 | DerPapst | hehe |
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| 11:11:19 | Bagder | isn't ipl dead and abandoned anyway? ;-] |
| 11:11:50 | DerPapst | progress is slow... though progress is there :P |
| 11:12:37 | linuxstb | Is anyone seriously looking at the new ipods? |
| 11:12:59 | DerPapst | no. but fixing old bugs |
| 11:13:33 | DerPapst | or enhancing podzilla and modules :) |
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| 11:14:40 | DerPapst | we have a new version of mikmodule wich plays up to 50 voices on pp502X including nice visualizers :) |
| 11:17:30 | Bagder | cowon Q5W => http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9822218-1.html |
| 11:17:48 | Bagder | monster 5" 800x400 touch screen |
| 11:17:54 | Bagder | wince |
| 11:18:11 | amiconn | I think the ipl situation is even worse than rockbox', regarding the "working on all kinds of fancy features, while the most basic things (kernel in case of ipl) is buggy, and no-one seems to be working on fixes & enhancements" |
| 11:18:13 | DerPapst | have to run now. amiconn: will throw the new build on my 3G later. but i'm going to berlin today (530km) so can do some testing this evening i think |
| 11:18:18 | Bagder | claims ape and musepack in the OF |
| 11:19:02 | DerPapst | amiconn: we only have one kernel guy currently.. and he works on some kernel fixes. |
| 11:19:03 | LinusN | Bagder: woo |
| 11:19:14 | Bagder | amiconn: I agree with that perception, I think the kernel hackers are all gone and only apps hackers are left |
| 11:20:11 | amiconn | jhMikeS: ping |
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| 11:47:31 | Bagder | it seems the e200 v2 series is out now |
| 11:47:45 | Bagder | people in the abi forums pop up with them... |
| 11:55:25 | markun | Bagder: do we know what's inside yet? |
| 11:57:45 | preglow | jmspeex: pong |
| 11:58:15 | jmspeex | preglow: #define SPEEX_MOVE(dst, src, n) (((dst)-(src)), memmove((dst), (src), (n)*sizeof(*(dst))) |
| 11:58:23 | jmspeex | what do you think of that instead? |
| 11:59:04 | preglow | jmspeex: i actually did think about that, and it's not a bad idea |
| 11:59:17 | preglow | makes the code clearer |
| 11:59:32 | preglow | and we should definitely check that the pointers are of the same type, or at least type size |
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| 12:00:12 | jmspeex | actually, it really checks the type. (int*)-(float*) produces an error |
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| 12:04:57 | preglow | oh yeah |
| 12:04:58 | preglow | that's true |
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| 12:15:35 | pixelma | the swcodec recording screen does not tell exactly how many seconds are already buffered if you set prerecording (only showing "Prerecording...")? I can see that on the Ondio... |
| 12:17:10 | preglow | jmspeex: do the same for memset, i assume? |
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| 12:17:35 | preglow | that can't check pointers, but at least the free sizeof can be done |
| 12:18:00 | jmspeex | preglow: same for memset/memcpy |
| 12:18:09 | preglow | yep |
| 12:18:10 | jmspeex | What do you mean about checking pointers? |
| 12:18:46 | preglow | dst-src |
| 12:18:53 | preglow | since there's no src... |
| 12:19:45 | preglow | btw, i had a look in TODO, you can't use an iir filter instead of a qmf filter instead of making things incompatible, right? |
| 12:20:16 | preglow | that last "instead of" should be "without" |
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| 12:20:37 | jmspeex | for memset, it's not a problem because there's no potential incompatibility |
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| 12:21:08 | pixelma | ah, no. I can only see it in the Ondio's radio screen where you actually can record from, much more convenient. But it makes me wonder why it isn't shown in the recording screen as well... |
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| 12:23:03 | preglow | jmspeex: and do you process the upper qmf band in its frequency reversed state, or do you modulate it somehow first? |
| 12:24:14 | jmspeex | preglow: in freq-reverse state mostly. Though in one of the mode, I'm playing with modulation (I think, but I'm not sure what I settled on). |
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| 12:24:52 | preglow | and that has no real effect on lpc analysis? |
| 12:25:03 | preglow | s/real/big/ |
| 12:25:37 | jmspeex | well, it has an effect on the *interpretation* of the LPC coefs, but LPC itself works fine |
| 12:26:28 | preglow | yeah, but you don't really need to handle the whole lpc part any differently, do you? after all, you do apply the lpc coefs on the frequency reversed excitation too in the decoder, i assume |
| 12:28:25 | jmspeex | exactly |
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| 12:29:05 | preglow | so, you can't really just jump in and replace the qmf filter without something else, then |
| 12:29:05 | jmspeex | So it's business as usual. There's only one place where I need to take that into account because I'm converting LPCs to freq response |
| 12:29:10 | preglow | not without introducing new modes |
| 12:29:33 | preglow | and disallowing vbr... |
| 12:29:38 | jmspeex | preglow: I could replace by an iir filter at the cost of a tiny bit of aliasing |
| 12:29:58 | preglow | would be tons cheaper to calculate |
| 12:30:15 | preglow | but you'd also have to do freq reversal to maintain compatibility, then? |
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| 12:30:35 | jmspeex | you'd get the same reversal with any filter |
| 12:30:43 | preglow | ahh, of course |
| 12:30:55 | preglow | qmfs can use iirs just fine |
| 12:31:03 | preglow | i don't really have much experience with those things |
| 12:31:50 | jmspeex | doesn't need to be a QMF |
| 12:31:57 | jmspeex | actually, better not be a QMF |
| 12:32:08 | jmspeex | just a brickwall elliptic IIR would work fine |
| 12:33:00 | jmspeex | or cheb with the ripple in the passband |
| 12:33:11 | preglow | how much ripple could you use? |
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| 13:03:12 | webguest84 | nerds |
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| 13:10:57 | jmspeex | preglow: yours to test. My guess is around 0.5 dB |
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| 13:16:44 | petur | pixelma: good point, should be added to the recording screen.... |
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| 13:57:07 | maraz | I had a song skip to the next one totally randomly today - may be related to FS7510 not being completely fixed (ie. if both of the flags need to be set, 0x30000000 instead of 0x10000000). Could be totally random, too. Time will tell, I guess. If anyone has similar glitches using the current build on nano, do pipe up. |
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| 14:00:13 | petur | did you skip back to that song? |
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| 14:03:16 | preglow | jmspeex: what order filter would you expect to use? just tried an eight order elliptic one, and i actually think the aliasing might be audible with that |
| 14:03:50 | jmspeex | preglow: picture? |
| 14:04:02 | preglow | no picture, i'm just doing some quick listening |
| 14:05:12 | preglow | best thing would just be integrating it in speex and trying, of course, it should be a quick enough job anyway |
| 14:05:32 | preglow | unless i'm missing something vital |
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| 14:05:37 | jmspeex | yes |
| 14:06:25 | jmspeex | preglow: what's mostly important is that the low frequencies don't cause much aliasing, which is why the stop band should go down as a function of freq instead of having ripples. |
| 14:06:34 | jmspeex | Well, that's what I assume anyway. |
| 14:07:11 | jmspeex | I don't think the aliasing near the cutoff freq matters that much |
| 14:07:36 | preglow | ok, so then type 1 cheb should be the way to go |
| 14:07:57 | jmspeex | I never remember which is type 1 and which is type 2... |
| 14:08:04 | preglow | type 1 is the one with passband ripples |
| 14:08:05 | preglow | afaik |
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| 14:08:22 | jmspeex | then type 1 would be my best guess |
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| 14:08:49 | jmspeex | preglow: BTW, can you update your meme copy/move/set patch? |
| 14:09:24 | preglow | jmspeex: with the new macro stuff? |
| 14:09:33 | GodEater | Nico_P: is crossfade still broken currently ? |
| 14:09:47 | jmspeex | preglow: yes |
| 14:09:48 | Nico_P | GodEater: did it use to be? |
| 14:09:55 | preglow | jmspeex: sure, but later |
| 14:09:58 | GodEater | it was initially with MoB |
| 14:10:05 | GodEater | I assume that means you fixed it |
| 14:10:08 | preglow | jmspeex: btw, binary is smaller on arm with mem*, but slightly bigger (100b) on coldfire |
| 14:10:09 | jmspeex | sure |
| 14:10:28 | preglow | jmspeex: i'll see if i can do some speed tests on at least those platforms |
| 14:10:28 | Nico_P | GodEater: I never directly fixed it, but I think it's OK |
| 14:10:34 | jmspeex | preglow: maybe it depends on how memmove is implemented |
| 14:10:46 | GodEater | Nico_P: there's a post in the forums which would indicate otherwise... |
| 14:10:52 | preglow | jmspeex: i think it pretty much just depends on how much overhead passing parameters has, it's free on arm |
| 14:10:59 | Nico_P | GodEater: oh? which one? |
| 14:11:09 | jmspeex | preglow: isn't memmove inline or something? |
| 14:11:13 | preglow | jmspeex: amd64 also uses regs for param passing, and that explains why the binary is smaller here |
| 14:11:20 | GodEater | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13926.msg104418#msg104418 |
| 14:11:25 | preglow | jmspeex: gcc sometimes inlines it, but only newer ones |
| 14:11:27 | jmspeex | if it's a function call, then we should check that it's not used on really small arrays |
| 14:11:54 | preglow | there's tons of lpcSize memcpy going on, and i agree we might want to cut out those |
| 14:12:00 | preglow | but small size memset should be ok |
| 14:12:04 | GodEater | Nico_P: although as you say - it appears to be working ok on my Gigabeat |
| 14:12:13 | Nico_P | GodEater: I wasn't aware of any problems |
| 14:13:14 | GodEater | Nico_P: hence I've taken back what I said |
| 14:13:15 | GodEater | :) |
| 14:13:18 | jmspeex | preglow: I'm seeing some of the memset you changed use N. In most (all?) functions, N is complexity-dependent, and usually 1 or 2. |
| 14:13:41 | preglow | jmspeex: i changed any to use N? really, now, i didn't intend to do that |
| 14:13:48 | Nico_P | GodEater: :) his report isn't exactly detailed either... I think I'll just wait for more details |
| 14:14:12 | GodEater | good plan |
| 14:14:26 | jmspeex | preglow: in cb_search.c there are loops that do (for j=0;j<N;j++) ... that you changed to memcopy |
| 14:15:15 | preglow | jmspeex: right, right, i thought i had used the wrong size |
| 14:15:23 | preglow | so yeah, there's not much point in converting those |
| 14:15:38 | jmspeex | In general, you have: |
| 14:15:42 | preglow | i always think N is some kind of frame size |
| 14:15:43 | jmspeex | N=1 or 2 |
| 14:15:47 | jmspeex | nsf=40 |
| 14:15:58 | preglow | yeah, nsf copies are good |
| 14:15:58 | jmspeex | ord=lpcSize=8 or 10 |
| 14:16:29 | jmspeex | frame_size = 160 |
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| 14:18:54 | preglow | yeah |
| 14:18:58 | preglow | and the lpcSize copies can go |
| 14:19:11 | preglow | call overhead and memcpy setup probably swallows the benefit there |
| 14:19:19 | preglow | but lpcSize memsets might still be beneficial |
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| 14:21:26 | jmspeex | preglow: what's the difference? |
| 14:22:08 | preglow | a good memset does fewer branches for the same write, with bigger transfers |
| 14:22:11 | preglow | should make it faster |
| 14:22:28 | preglow | and memset doesn't have much setup to speak of |
| 14:22:39 | preglow | but it's not a major point, of course |
| 14:22:44 | preglow | performance gains would be meagre |
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| 14:28:07 | jmspeex | preglow: did you find many copies that were useless in the first place? |
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| 14:31:16 | preglow | jmspeex: three |
| 14:31:22 | preglow | all in decode, afaik |
| 14:32:45 | preglow | jmspeex: anyway, leave all lpcSize and smaller copying as loops? |
| 14:34:08 | jmspeex | let's do that for now anyway |
| 14:34:23 | preglow | okies, what about clearing? |
| 14:35:45 | jmspeex | dunno |
| 14:36:00 | preglow | and should i let speex_move() and co stay, or should i just allow SPEEX_MOVE and co? |
| 14:36:08 | jmspeex | can you check whether it makes a difference in code size. I expect the performance difference to be really small |
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| 14:36:15 | preglow | sure |
| 14:36:28 | jmspeex | just SPEEX_MOVE, no need to keep speex_move() at all |
| 14:37:59 | preglow | ok |
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| 14:52:09 | maraz | petur: Actually, it was the same song (repeat one). |
| 14:52:46 | petur | so yes, you skipped back. Same issue as I have, it's in the tracker already |
| 14:53:02 | maraz | Hmm, so it didn't really skip forward but to the start of the song? |
| 14:53:06 | maraz | What's the FS#? |
| 14:53:46 | petur | 8160 |
| 14:54:12 | maraz | Hmm. |
| 14:54:45 | petur | related to (or the same as) 8092 |
| 14:57:07 | maraz | Interesting. |
| 14:58:36 | maraz | Actually, I think that I stumbled upon 8160 today, too - just before the glitch I described. After powering up, resuming and rewinding, I couldn't hear anything but I had the volume off from my headphones... it played for a few seconds without me hearing anything, so I skipped back to the start and it started playing okay, but skipped to start after a minute or so. |
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| 15:35:08 | linuxstb | Has anyone (preglow, Llorean?) tested the current SVN bootloader (with amiconn's backlight changes) on the Nano? |
| 15:39:34 | preglow | nope |
| 15:39:41 | preglow | can ipodpatcher install an arbitrary bootloader? |
| 15:40:14 | CaptainSquid | it seems to boot (i installed bootloader and rockbox today with rbutilqt) or what else needs to be tested? |
| 15:41:00 | preglow | linuxstb: bootloader.bin is what i write, yes? |
| 15:42:43 | preglow | linuxstb: seems to work |
| 15:43:03 | preglow | still doesn't exactly look like 100% if you ask me, but that's because of the multiple light levels |
| 15:44:00 | preglow | dark, dim, brighter, final setting |
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| 15:46:52 | amiconn | ? |
| 15:46:57 | DerPapst | heh... today someone in my univerity saw my all new and shiny sanse and inforemed me that there is a project called "rockbox" and that i have to check it out. :) |
| 15:47:03 | amiconn | should just be dark -> dim -> final |
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| 15:48:17 | preglow | amiconn: looks like rockbox switches to default before it switches to final, or something |
| 15:50:57 | | Part LinusN |
| 15:54:27 | amiconn | Yes, and default == minimum |
| 15:55:20 | amiconn | I wouldn't expect an extra switch to the actual settings default (which is halfbright), and on G5.5 I know that it doesn't |
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| 16:05:54 | linuxstb | preglow: Normally you would do "ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodnano.ipod" - I'm assuming you used the -ab option to install bootloader.bin? |
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| 16:18:05 | pondlife | Hmm, anyone know where I might find instructions on taking my H340 apart? I thought they were on the wiki, but I can't find them now :/ |
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| 16:20:14 | alienbiker99 | yike. the only other place i know is mistic river but i dont think they have it up either |
| 16:20:16 | krazykit | pondlife, http://web.archive.org/web/20060717085738/www.medulla.co.uk/images/H340/H300-interior/ |
| 16:20:25 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 16:20:33 | krazykit | lucky for you, archive.org grabbed most of the images, too |
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| 16:22:38 | * | petur knows them by heart :/ |
| 16:24:41 | pondlife | Hmm, archive.org doesn't have the text :/ |
| 16:24:52 | pondlife | And misticriver's forums are shot |
| 16:25:06 | petur | what do you need to knwo? |
| 16:25:12 | petur | *know |
| 16:25:20 | pondlife | How to get an H380 |
| 16:25:25 | pondlife | I have a drive |
| 16:25:39 | pondlife | I've opened it before, a while ago |
| 16:25:50 | pondlife | So far I've just removed the 5 screws |
| 16:25:59 | pondlife | Now I take the back cover off, right? |
| 16:26:16 | petur | remove external screws, pry open, remove blue stuff, switch drive, put blue stuff back, screw back together |
| 16:26:24 | petur | yes |
| 16:26:49 | petur | watch those fingernails ;) |
| 16:27:14 | pondlife | The battery is attached to blue stuff; does it just fold back, or can I remove it more? |
| 16:27:42 | petur | you can separate them all |
| 16:28:12 | petur | fold back battery, then remove blue stuff |
| 16:28:43 | pondlife | Woops, bit of metal came out too... |
| 16:28:46 | linuxstb | pondlife: Where did you manage to find a drive? |
| 16:28:49 | petur | no worries |
| 16:28:59 | * | petur guesses ebay |
| 16:29:00 | pondlife | eBay |
| 16:29:08 | linuxstb | Just a private seller? |
| 16:29:10 | petur | where amiconn and I got ours |
| 16:29:16 | pondlife | Yes. $80, so I hope it works!! |
| 16:29:22 | petur | whoa |
| 16:29:23 | linuxstb | Bargain... |
| 16:29:35 | * | petur paid 200+ euro |
| 16:29:45 | pondlife | Which end is the drive connected? Top or bottom? |
| 16:30:23 | petur | pondlife: just get on with it, it's not that hard :P |
| 16:30:35 | pondlife | I'm not very hardware-y |
| 16:30:47 | pondlife | Hmm, drive seems very wedged in |
| 16:31:11 | petur | yes, pull it out in the direction of its lengh |
| 16:31:22 | petur | *length |
| 16:31:39 | petur | the connector is where that metal part came from |
| 16:31:43 | pondlife | OK, new drive time... |
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| 16:34:39 | pondlife | Hmm, which way up? HD connector is longer than H340 one (on both old + new drives) |
| 16:35:18 | petur | there's a platic pin next to the connector |
| 16:35:28 | petur | it fits in a hole in the drive |
| 16:35:35 | petur | *plastic |
| 16:35:45 | * | petur goes to typing class too |
| 16:36:13 | pondlife | Drive is label side up, right? |
| 16:36:41 | petur | flat side down |
| 16:37:08 | petur | bumpy side matches blue stuff to give battery a flat spot |
| 16:37:28 | pondlife | OK |
| 16:37:33 | petur | you're lucky you're not replacing the battery |
| 16:38:01 | pondlife | Safe to power up with new drive in, but bit of metal out? |
| 16:38:09 | petur | the drive takes me < 5 min, the battery about 30 min |
| 16:38:49 | petur | yes, the bit of metal makes sure the connector stays in, however |
| 16:38:57 | petur | but to test it's ok |
| 16:39:00 | pondlife | Just want to check |
| 16:39:23 | pondlife | haha, drive came out of a Vaio! |
| 16:39:42 | pondlife | Format time |
| 16:39:43 | * | petur wonders if pondlife is booting windows on his h380 |
| 16:39:46 | * | Nico_P managed to send a firmware file to his S ! |
| 16:40:56 | lostlogic | sweet, my ipod froze overnight. |
| 16:41:29 | petur | that cold already outside? |
| 16:41:50 | lostlogic | aye, it's below freezing atm |
| 16:42:00 | JdGordon | lostlogic: what he heck you doing up so early? its like 7.40am there yeah? |
| 16:42:06 | petur | no wonder then... take it inside tonight ;) |
| 16:43:02 | Nico_P | markun: ping |
| 16:43:07 | markun | pong |
| 16:43:28 | lostlogic | JdGordon: yeah −− I get up at 6 normally :-P |
| 16:43:37 | Nico_P | markun: I think I've managed to send a firmware update to my S through libtmtp :D |
| 16:43:54 | Nico_P | markun: but now I'm hesitant to send custom code to it |
| 16:44:01 | lostlogic | I blam album art for the freeze, since that's the only feature I recently started using. |
| 16:44:37 | markun | Nico_P: wow! great news! |
| 16:44:40 | Nico_P | markun: do you have an idea of what could possibly go wrong ? |
| 16:44:56 | markun | no, I don't know anything about the S, maybe linuxstb has some ideas? |
| 16:44:56 | lostlogic | JdGordon: go to sleep, it's nearly 3 there? :-\ |
| 16:45:42 | pondlife | Haha 80MB is too big for FAT32, allegedly.. |
| 16:45:52 | pondlife | "QuickFormatting 76316M The volume is too big for FAT32." |
| 16:46:09 | petur | windows? |
| 16:46:16 | pondlife | Win2000 |
| 16:46:19 | petur | use swissknife |
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| 16:46:27 | Nico_P | markun: I've only tried with the original firmware file for now, and the unit reboots after I disconnect the cable, so I guess it's a good signe :) |
| 16:46:48 | petur | pondlife: http://www.compuapps.com/download/Swissknife/swissknife.htm |
| 16:46:54 | pondlife | Cheers |
| 16:46:56 | * | linuxstb doesn't know anything about the S's firmware upgrade process |
| 16:47:26 | Nico_P | hmm the only ones who know are probably ptw and aliask |
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| 16:50:22 | Nico_P | hmm should I try it ? |
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| 16:52:21 | GodEater | Nico_P: I've done it a couple of times |
| 16:52:29 | GodEater | in order to get a usb log |
| 16:52:50 | Nico_P | GodEater: did you send a custom firmware or the original one? |
| 16:53:28 | Nico_P | GodEater: also, how does the player behave during and after the update? |
| 16:53:58 | GodEater | I sent the original one |
| 16:54:08 | GodEater | i.e. the hacked V one |
| 16:54:37 | Nico_P | you mean using the hacked V updater? |
| 16:54:41 | GodEater | yes |
| 16:54:54 | GodEater | all the files I used were from the wiki page |
| 16:55:03 | GodEater | I didn't use a rockbox "infected" firmware ;) |
| 16:55:07 | Nico_P | and what did the player display during the process? "connected"? |
| 16:55:28 | GodEater | as I recall, the player shows a sort of three stage screen during the process |
| 16:55:35 | JdGordon | lostlogic: yeah, just got hoe from a night on the piss |
| 16:55:38 | GodEater | but it's been several weeks now, and I can't remember the details :( |
| 16:55:51 | * | JdGordon hopes that saying is understood in the funny parts of the planet :p |
| 16:55:53 | GodEater | I *do* recall the process not working at all from one PC I tried |
| 16:55:58 | GodEater | and there being NO obvious reason why not |
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| 16:56:06 | Nico_P | hmm... mine just displayed "connected" as for any other operation... then when I disconnected the cable it rebooted |
| 16:56:07 | GodEater | the updater just refused to detect that the S was present |
| 16:56:07 | pondlife | petur: OK, almost there, but which way up does the metal bit go? I assume the two metal bits are on top of the ends of the HD connector... |
| 16:56:23 | Nico_P | GodEater: that happened to me too when I tried |
| 16:56:29 | GodEater | Nico_P: you did the steps on the player to put it into firmware restore mode ? |
| 16:56:29 | pondlife | But I can't seat the blue stuff... :/ |
| 16:56:41 | Nico_P | GodEater: no... which steps? :p |
| 16:56:47 | GodEater | they're in the wiki too :) |
| 16:56:59 | Nico_P | ah |
| 16:56:59 | GodEater | something like hold power, the windows button, and left |
| 16:57:18 | Nico_P | yeah, just saw them... I'll try that but it didn't complain when I didn't do that |
| 16:57:21 | GodEater | this will format your players drive apparently :) |
| 16:57:28 | GodEater | no? Curious |
| 16:57:29 | petur | pondlife: can't open mine now to check, it realy only fits in one way |
| 16:57:31 | Nico_P | I don't really care |
| 16:57:32 | GodEater | I didn't try it without doing that |
| 16:57:40 | petur | check the screwholes |
| 16:58:33 | petur | pondlife: so the drive is working fine? lucky b*****d :) |
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| 16:59:03 | pondlife | Second hand, of course |
| 16:59:20 | pondlife | I haven't formatted it yet |
| 16:59:26 | pondlife | Well, not fully |
| 16:59:36 | petur | ah |
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| 17:00:27 | Nico_P | GodEater: success! |
| 17:00:31 | GodEater | hurray |
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| 17:00:45 | GodEater | I mean \o/ |
| 17:00:57 | Nico_P | I entered recovery mode, it asked me for an update, I ran my updater and then it booted fine :) |
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| 17:02:02 | GodEater | cool |
| 17:02:05 | Nico_P | I'm feeling confident enough to try running custom code but I have no idea what to run :/ |
| 17:02:08 | GodEater | so make it run rockbox ;) |
| 17:03:40 | pondlife | Hmm, my eyesight's not good enough to get the screws back in :/ |
| 17:04:39 | petur | the long ones go in the bottom iirc |
| 17:04:56 | pondlife | Yup, but my fat fingers can't even hold them |
| 17:05:37 | petur | tsssss |
| 17:06:05 | Nico_P | hmm nothing's happening |
| 17:07:36 | Nico_P | after updating with the rockbox bootloader, the player stays stuck on the blue gigabeat screen |
| 17:07:36 | GodEater | Nico_P: the crossfade man is back in the forums Nico_P |
| 17:07:42 | Nico_P | the progressbar doesn't move |
| 17:07:48 | GodEater | how annoying |
| 17:08:12 | Nico_P | I've been able to restore the original firmware though |
| 17:08:32 | Nico_P | ... a good sign that my updater works, I suppose :) |
| 17:08:47 | markun | Nico_P: well, it's a good start |
| 17:09:03 | markun | is this the same code that is used for updating the creative zen? |
| 17:09:08 | GodEater | no |
| 17:09:18 | Nico_P | actually it is |
| 17:09:21 | GodEater | it is ? |
| 17:09:30 | Nico_P | well it's what was supposed to, but it hadn't been tested |
| 17:09:39 | pondlife | H380 boots! |
| 17:09:46 | GodEater | \o/ |
| 17:09:47 | markun | pondlife: congrats! |
| 17:09:53 | Nico_P | I corrected only one minor mistake to make it send the firmware (a lucky guess), and a segfault |
| 17:10:11 | GodEater | Nico_P: hang on - I think I've missed something here - you've written your own updater ? |
| 17:10:51 | pondlife | hehe the default theme sucks so much, it's a real shock when the nice USB graphic appears |
| 17:10:54 | Nico_P | GodEater: no, mcuelenaere did by changing a few very small things in libmtp's sendfile.c example |
| 17:11:13 | GodEater | sweet! |
| 17:11:19 | GodEater | checked into svn ? |
| 17:11:21 | Nico_P | GodEater: that was for the ZVM, but seeing that I asked him if it could work with the S... he looked at the logs and said it should |
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| 17:11:29 | pondlife | So...does anyone have a spare back cover for an F40? |
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| 17:11:41 | markun | pondlife: toffe? |
| 17:11:52 | Nico_P | I then tried with no success (the day before yesterday), and today I changed one thing and it worked! |
| 17:12:25 | Nico_P | GodEater: before putting it into svn I need to make it standalone |
| 17:12:33 | GodEater | ah ok |
| 17:12:33 | markun | Nico_P: do you overwrite nk.bin? |
| 17:12:47 | Nico_P | markun: what do you mean? on the player? |
| 17:12:53 | markun | yes |
| 17:12:58 | Nico_P | I think so, yes |
| 17:13:09 | Nico_P | the name of the dest file is set to nk.bin |
| 17:13:31 | Nico_P | the updater should also work for the ZVM too |
| 17:13:59 | markun | Nico_P: how strange that you can access the first partition over mtp |
| 17:14:12 | GodEater | why is that strange ? |
| 17:14:22 | Nico_P | markun: I tried making a rockbox bootloader and sent it to the player but that didn't boot |
| 17:14:34 | markun | GodEater: because it's supposed to be hidden |
| 17:14:41 | Nico_P | markun: maybe not to mtp? |
| 17:15:03 | markun | but otherwise a firmware update would not be possible I guess |
| 17:15:53 | GodEater | I thought the whole point of mtp was that it was filesystem agnostic |
| 17:16:09 | GodEater | so provided the *device* understands where stuff is supposed to go, it doesn't really matter |
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| 17:21:23 | preglow | linuxstb: i used -a |
| 17:22:51 | Nico_P | now I need to find out how to make that program compile against system libmtp |
| 17:23:38 | GodEater | -lmtp ? |
| 17:23:39 | GodEater | :) |
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| 17:28:56 | * | Nico_P downloads a test bootloader made by ptw419 |
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| 17:31:21 | Nico_P | hello world ! |
| 17:31:40 | Nico_P | (this means it worked) |
| 17:31:56 | GodEater | hehehe |
| 17:32:03 | qwm | hooray |
| 17:32:16 | GodEater | so what's different about his bootloader to the one you built yourself ? |
| 17:32:30 | qwm | God knows. |
| 17:32:42 | Nico_P | GodEater: it was made by ptw419 from the original one |
| 17:32:51 | GodEater | ah - it's not a rockbox one ? |
| 17:32:59 | Nico_P | the one I built myself was made with mknkboot |
| 17:33:20 | GodEater | I'm sure I read aliask had rockbox one working |
| 17:33:26 | Nico_P | GodEater: I took it from there: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4737.msg86820#msg86820 |
| 17:33:27 | GodEater | it just wouldn't load the main rockbox image |
| 17:35:07 | linuxstb | preglow: That shouldn't have worked... |
| 17:38:33 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Nice work on the S - when you say you want to make it "standalone" before committing to SVN, what do you mean? |
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| 17:42:10 | Nico_P | linuxstb: ATM it's just a modded version of one of libmtp's example files... it's not even a standalone binary, as it's being called through a main program. Also I'm compiling it by running make && make install for the whole libmtp tree |
| 17:42:47 | Nico_P | so I want to make it standalone and compile against the system libmtp, which I don't really know how to do yet |
| 17:43:29 | Nico_P | I can pastebin a patch to the libmtp tree if someone is willing to help me |
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| 17:47:47 | linuxstb | Do you know if libmtp relies on libusb? |
| 17:48:50 | markun | linuxstb: it does |
| 17:49:13 | markun | at least it depends on it in the FreeBSD port |
| 17:50:49 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Is the example program just one .c file, or is it more complex than that? |
| 17:51:02 | GodEater | he said it was based on sendfile.c |
| 17:51:17 | linuxstb | So "gcc -o sendfile sendfile.c -lmtp" should work? |
| 17:51:33 | Nico_P | linuxstb: it's basically one c file, although the actual binary that is called is made from connect.c |
| 17:51:38 | linuxstb | Or maybe -lmtp -lusb |
| 17:51:40 | Nico_P | I'll try that |
| 17:52:24 | * | GodEater guesses the latter option |
| 17:53:05 | Nico_P | hmm it complains about "config.h" |
| 17:54:27 | markun | Nico_P: can you upload the file somewhere? |
| 17:54:28 | Nico_P | the makefile runs gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I../src -g -O2 -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -MT sendfile.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/sendfile.Tpo -c -o sendfile.o sendfile.c |
| 17:54:56 | linuxstb | So it complains about config.h, even if you don't add -DHAVE_CONFIG_H... |
| 17:55:47 | Nico_P | linuxstb: and even if I add it... although I have no idea what it does |
| 17:55:55 | Nico_P | markun: http://pastebin.ca/793793 |
| 17:55:58 | linuxstb | I guess you should find the config.h it is using, and copy it into the same directory as your source, then try "gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -o sendfile sendfile.c -lmtp -lusb' |
| 17:56:22 | GodEater | autoconf nastiness :( |
| 17:56:40 | Nico_P | linuxstb: gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -o sendfile sendfile.c -lmtp -lusb didn't work |
| 17:56:55 | GodEater | Nico_P: even with the config.h it's using ? |
| 17:57:04 | linuxstb | What is complaining about config.h ? Your file isn't using it... |
| 17:57:28 | * | GodEater shuts up and gets out of linuxstb's way |
| 17:58:00 | Nico_P | ah, I've copied the config.h in the current dir (which I hadn't done before)... now the error is different |
| 17:58:18 | Nico_P | a few undefined references |
| 17:58:50 | Nico_P | ... the ones that are defned "extern" in the files |
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| 18:00:06 | Nico_P | removing the extern keword solves these but there is one left |
| 18:00:18 | OlivierBorowski | Hi guys, I installed rockbox on my h340 two weeks ago and it works well. Thanks for your job! I'd just like to point out some graphics artifacts in rockdoom (some kind of blinking). Is it a known bug? (poor quality video here : http://www.boro.fr/divers/rockdoom.avi) |
| 18:00:20 | markun | Nico_P: btw, what was the lucky guess? |
| 18:01:05 | Nico_P | markun: mcuelenaere had set parent_id to 0x10001... I set it back to 0 and it worked |
| 18:01:09 | markun | OlivierBorowski: never seen it before |
| 18:01:41 | GodEater | do we have devs that still care about rockdoom ? |
| 18:01:49 | Nico_P | markun: I did that because I had no idea why he put 0x10001 and 0 seemed to be ok in the rest of the source |
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| 18:02:43 | OlivierBorowski | I've seen this subject on the forum : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2481.0 but I don't know if it's related |
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| 18:03:55 | Nico_P | ha, I got it to compile |
| 18:04:05 | linuxstb | Nico_P: After removing a few #includes, it's compiling for me, but "device" and "progress" are undeclared. I'm guessing progress is a call-back function (so can be replaced by NULL), but I've no idea where "device" comes from, or how the program is supposed to know which device to use... |
| 18:04:16 | linuxstb | Nico_P: This is without the config.h |
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| 18:05:22 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I took progress from pathutils.c and removed the include pathutils.h |
| 18:05:38 | Nico_P | some things need to be taken from connect.c |
| 18:06:10 | markun | Nico_P: where is "progress" defined? |
| 18:06:21 | Nico_P | markun: in pathutils.c |
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| 18:08:07 | linuxstb | So just device = LIBMTP_Get_First_Device(); from connect.c ? |
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| 18:08:38 | linuxstb | And LibMTP_Init() maybe... |
| 18:08:52 | linuxstb | And LIBMTP_Release_Device(device); |
| 18:08:53 | linuxstb | at the end... |
| 18:09:22 | Nico_P | yeah I'm making a complete file |
| 18:10:13 | linuxstb | So basically, it looks like MTP has a standard way to transfer firmware upgrade files, and libmtp supports it... |
| 18:10:40 | Nico_P | yes, we're lucky :) |
| 18:11:33 | Nico_P | OK, I have a c file that compiles fine with "gcc -o sendfile sendfile.c -lmtp" and works too |
| 18:12:17 | linuxstb | Nice. Maybe commit to "utils/gigabeat-s" ? Or maybe utils/MTP/ as it looks like it will be useful for other devices? |
| 18:12:39 | Nico_P | yeah, there is some cleaning up left to do though |
| 18:13:03 | Nico_P | http://pastebin.ca/793814 |
| 18:14:00 | Nico_P | what should I put in there? the rockbox header with the original copyright plus mine? |
| 18:14:13 | linuxstb | Do you need those "files = ... " and "folders = ..." lines? |
| 18:14:33 | Nico_P | probably not |
| 18:14:38 | linuxstb | And also the lang check? |
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| 18:16:32 | Nico_P | yup, works fine without all that |
| 18:17:37 | Nico_P | linuxstb: do you think common.h and config.h are needed? |
| 18:18:32 | preglow | linuxstb: i did ./ipodpatcher -a ../../build/nano-boo/bootloader-ipodnano.ipod, that's not supposed to work? |
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| 18:20:15 | Nico_P | common.h doesn't appear to be needed, and thus neither config.h |
| 18:21:37 | amiconn | preglow: That is the standard method and should work fine |
| 18:24:13 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, but you said you used bootloader.bin.... |
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| 18:29:11 | preglow | linuxstb: i say lots of things :) |
| 18:29:54 | linuxstb | preglow: Have you tried wma seeking? |
| 18:31:11 | preglow | not the current one |
| 18:32:06 | linuxstb | It consistently freezes my ipod when attempting long seeks in my 2hr test file... |
| 18:33:37 | * | Nico_P is discovering indent... a nice tool |
| 18:33:51 | advcomp2019 | linuxstb, i can test it on the sansa if i had a 2hr wma file |
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| 18:34:40 | linuxstb | I'm sure there must be podcasts or something available to download in wma format somewhere... |
| 18:34:43 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, saratoga mentioned it had problems, but he also said he thought he'd hacked around most of them |
| 18:36:41 | pixelma | linuxstb: isn't that long enough that it doesn't fit completely in the buffer? Maybe there are interactions? |
| 18:36:56 | linuxstb | Yes, it's about 110MB |
| 18:37:05 | Nico_P | linuxstb: so what should I do about the header? |
| 18:37:18 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Which header? |
| 18:37:39 | Nico_P | the header for the firmware updater source file |
| 18:37:47 | linuxstb | You mean the (C)/license header? |
| 18:37:51 | Nico_P | yes |
| 18:38:12 | Nico_P | also I've called the file sendfirm |
| 18:38:49 | linuxstb | I would add your name at the top, and add a line saying something like "based on the example application sendfile.c from libmtp", followed by the existing (C) and license info. |
| 18:39:06 | Nico_P | ok |
| 18:40:20 | linuxstb | Although maybe say "Modified by Nico_P" rather than (C) - claiming copyright when you've just copied and pasted code is perhaps going too far... |
| 18:40:29 | Nico_P | ok |
| 18:40:51 | advcomp2019 | linuxstb, found one but it is mp3 but i will convert it to wma for testing |
| 18:41:08 | Nico_P | I'll also add mcuelenaere, as it was his idea |
| 18:41:25 | linuxstb | advcomp2019: Just make sure it's larger than the RAM in your player - so at least 30MB, preferably bigger. |
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| 18:45:26 | mokkurkalve | I've ordered a e280 to add to my H340 as rockboxed players. I think this is a straight e280, but what was significant with the "Rhapsody" models? |
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| 18:48:22 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I have no idea what to do for the makefile though |
| 18:48:39 | krazykit | mokkurkalve, the fact that the firmware partition can't be seen over usb, meaning the install is kind of a pain. |
| 18:48:39 | Nico_P | I guess I'll commit the file and take care of the makefile later, I need to go do some shopping |
| 18:49:08 | evert | what installation method would you suggest me to get rockbox on my sansa ? The automated or the manual ? |
| 18:49:41 | Lear | evert: If on Windows, manual for now. |
| 18:49:54 | evert | Lear: it's on linux |
| 18:50:08 | evert | i'm not afraid for the cli (in fact i'm not even using X at the moment) |
| 18:50:19 | evert | i was just wondering what the 'best' way was :) |
| 18:50:35 | mokkurkalve | is there anything on the package that indicates if it's a "Rhapsody" or not? |
| 18:50:54 | evert | i couldn't find anything what said 'rhapsody' |
| 18:51:05 | evert | otherwise i hadn't bought it, but i'm not 100% sure |
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| 18:51:48 | krazykit | the best way to tell if it's a rhapsody sansa is that you have rhapsody channels in the main menu |
| 18:52:06 | evert | what are raphsody channels ? |
| 18:52:23 | krazykit | they indicate that you have an e200r. |
| 18:52:35 | krazykit | it's Real's DRM scheme, basically |
| 18:53:08 | evert | krazykit: and how can i see that in the main menu ? |
| 18:53:18 | krazykit | in the OF, you spin the wheel |
| 18:53:34 | evert | yeah, then i get all the menu items ? Nothing what says 'raphsody' ? |
| 18:54:01 | krazykit | if nothing says rhapsody, then you have a regular e200, meaning you get the easy install |
| 18:54:16 | evert | ok, that's good thus :) |
| 18:54:28 | evert | so i can use the automated installer without an problem ? |
| 18:54:35 | krazykit | you should be able to, yes |
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| 18:54:38 | evert | it hasn't got a 'higher brick' chance or such . |
| 18:54:48 | krazykit | you can't brick your sansa this way. |
| 18:55:04 | evert | ok, thanks, i'm going to try it then :) |
| 18:55:12 | markun | krazykit: does the e200 use MTP? |
| 18:55:31 | krazykit | markun, only if you tell it to. it has both options, MTP and MSC |
| 18:55:36 | evert | markun: i can choose between mtp and msc |
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| 19:02:54 | evert | hmm, i've mounted my sansa on '/mnt/mp3' but the rockbox installer won't see it |
| 19:03:21 | evert | in the configure rockbox utility i've set 'select your device in the fs' to that point |
| 19:03:29 | evert | but it won't recognize it |
| 19:03:46 | krazykit | can you access the files as the user rbutil is running as? |
| 19:04:03 | evert | yes |
| 19:04:44 | evert | with mplayer i can play music from my sansa |
| 19:04:52 | evert | so it's mounted correctly |
| 19:05:39 | evert | the strange thing is, is that the player says 'disconnected' |
| 19:05:52 | krazykit | yeah, the LCD messages are completely useless, really |
| 19:05:58 | evert | ok |
| 19:06:05 | krazykit | meh, just do a manual install. not really much harder |
| 19:06:22 | evert | ok |
| 19:06:45 | evert | It seem your Bootloader is already up to date. |
| 19:06:46 | evert | Do really want to install it? |
| 19:06:53 | evert | ok/ignore/cancel |
| 19:06:57 | krazykit | sounds like rbutil managed to that |
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| 19:07:24 | evert | ignore that ? (sounds riskfull to me) |
| 19:07:33 | krazykit | should be fine |
| 19:07:41 | evert | ok |
| 19:07:47 | evert | it's installing :) |
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| 19:12:20 | evert | strange |
| 19:12:30 | evert | not working, still the default sandisk firmware when rebooting |
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| 19:12:40 | advcomp2019 | linuxstb, it happens on the sansa with wma seeking |
| 19:13:00 | krazykit | evert, ah. run sansapatcher again, and choose whatever option will install the bootloader |
| 19:13:07 | evert | ok |
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| 19:14:37 | evert | now i get rockbox, i thinks it needs some configuring, the font is a bit too small, i need glasses to read it lol |
| 19:15:45 | maraz | then change the font. |
| 19:16:00 | evert | i'm already happy it works, now time to configure it :) |
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| 19:20:38 | evert | the rockbox menu's are much better than the default firmware menu's :) |
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| 19:30:52 | evert | with rockbox i can't mount my mp3 any more |
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| 19:33:35 | Lear | evert: You must boot the original firmware for that. |
| 19:33:45 | evert | Lear: how can i do that ? |
| 19:34:16 | spenc | When I transfer music to my E250R, it shows up in the original firmware, but not in Rockbox. Any suggestions? |
| 19:34:17 | Lear | Easy way is to turn it off, then plug in the connector. Or press left when turning it on. |
| 19:34:59 | Lear | spenc: Set it to display all files (which includes hidden files), or use the database. |
| 19:35:16 | evert | Lear: ok, thanks |
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| 19:36:53 | zack | Hi everyone |
| 19:37:47 | zack | I have a small problem |
| 19:37:59 | zack | looking for help |
| 19:38:14 | zack | i can't have my themes work right sometimes |
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| 19:40:33 | zack | anyone can help me please |
| 19:41:05 | spenc | Lear: I'm not sure what you mean by that. Sorry, I'm new to this. I transferred the music by putting it in the MUSIC folder in the root of the drive. Was this not what I was supposed to do? |
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| 19:41:57 | zack | for your music put it into playlist |
| 19:42:03 | | Part mikill |
| 19:42:06 | zack | that should work |
| 19:42:06 | Lear | The OF marks that folder as hidden. Rockbox only displays that if "show all files" is enabled. |
| 19:42:33 | Lear | Long press menu, and then use menu (I think) to change that setting. Exit the quick menu by pressing the off button. |
| 19:43:13 | evert | hmm, strange, just for a test i've copied a avi file to the /vidoe dir of my sansa, but the file browser even can't see that file |
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| 19:43:58 | spenc | But, I can see the preloaded music with Rockbox, and that is in the MUSIC folder... |
| 19:47:25 | spenc | I'm assuming that long press just means to hold it down... When I hold down menu, it turns the player off |
| 19:47:59 | Lear | With menu I mean the button below the wheel, not the power button. |
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| 19:52:29 | krazykit | evert, that's probably because you're browsing in "supported" mode. |
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| 19:53:12 | evert | krazykit: yeah i see now rockbox can only play mpeg1/2 :) |
| 19:53:13 | Nico_P | GodEater, linuxstb: care to try sendfirm? |
| 19:53:29 | evert | krazykit: what happens if the resoultion of my vidoe is bigger than the screen resolution ? |
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| 19:54:50 | evert | krazykit: do you know wheter it recharges in 'rockbox' mode or not ? (i've to use the original firmware to mount it ..Ã |
| 19:54:53 | evert | ) |
| 19:55:10 | Nico_P | GodEater, linuxstb: I just tested and updating while in the OF works |
| 19:55:30 | krazykit | i believe it will charge, but very slowly. the OF is still recommended for charging, too, until Zagor commits the charging part of usb |
| 19:55:48 | evert | krazykit: ok, thanks :) |
| 19:56:08 | * | evert is very happy with RB, sadly the usb stuff won't work but that doesn't matter that much :) |
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| 19:57:33 | linuxstb | Nico_P: So you don't need recovery mode - you can just run it in the normal firmware? |
| 19:57:40 | Nico_P | yes |
| 19:57:52 | linuxstb | Nice... Now we just need a dual-booting bootloader... |
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| 19:58:06 | Nico_P | of course once you put a rockboxed nk.bin, you'll need to enter recovery mode to update |
| 19:58:28 | spenc | I can see the music now if I go into files, but if I go into database all I can see is the preloaded content, which I deleted |
| 19:58:35 | spenc | Why does it still show up? |
| 19:58:42 | linuxstb | Recycle bin? |
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| 20:00:05 | Lear | Update the database? |
| 20:02:21 | przemhb | Could someone take a look at FS #8203 ? It fixes a bug that caused rec_split_type not to be loaded properly. As a result RB did not stop recording on split even if it was to do so. |
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| 20:02:37 | spenc | Lear: Sorry, but how do I do that? |
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| 20:08:19 | Lear | The manual explains all that. You can also browse the menus... (I don't use the DB myself.) |
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| 20:11:40 | spenc | I'm reading the manual right now. It just talks about going to the database menu, but when I go into database, and hold menu, I don't get any of the options that the manual talks about |
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| 20:13:07 | markun | spenc: there is another database menu in settings -> general settings |
| 20:13:18 | spenc | Thank you markun |
| 20:13:21 | markun | maybe that's the one they are talking about |
| 20:13:31 | * | Zagor aims to commit charge-only usb tonight |
| 20:13:35 | spenc | I found it just as I read your message |
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| 20:13:53 | markun | Zagor: what does that mean? |
| 20:14:12 | nanok | Zagor: yes!!! :) |
| 20:14:30 | Zagor | markun: the full stack as-is, but with a dummy interface active instead of the storage one. so it only asks for full power, and does nothing else. |
| 20:14:32 | * | nanok hails Zagor |
| 20:15:28 | markun | Zagor: great, I hope it will motivate more people to work on it |
| 20:15:29 | nanok | Zagor: how is the progress on the mass storage stack, any leads on craking that 64B block "limitation"? |
| 20:16:01 | nanok | markun: that was part of my sketchy theory also ;) |
| 20:16:02 | Zagor | nanok: no, nothing yet |
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| 20:20:47 | nanok | Zagor: i assume mi childish questioning of usb 1.1 instead of 2.0 proved to be ..just that, childish :) |
| 20:21:53 | Zagor | I wouldn't say childish, but it was wrong. but I bet in the end there is something stupid like that that's causing the problem. |
| 20:22:12 | Zagor | so keep firing silly suggestions :) |
| 20:22:35 | desowin | Zagor: :-) |
| 20:23:11 | nanok | Zagor: you can bet on that, if i come up with anything like that, i'll say it out loud. i'm not ashamed, i know i am useless as a coder, you know it, everybody does :) |
| 20:23:42 | nanok | seriously, it's true, usually it's just in front of you but cannot see it, because you've been looking at it too long |
| 20:23:51 | nanok | it happened to me more than once.. |
| 20:24:13 | saratoga | Zagor: I found that disabling the USB hardware when its not actively being used saved a bit of power |
| 20:24:28 | n1s | Nico_P: I have'n been studying how to load firmware on the gigabeat S but how big is the risk with this new tool of yours? |
| 20:24:32 | saratoga | how hard would it be to switch off the USB when done checking for a connection |
| 20:24:38 | Zagor | nanok: yeah. hopefully when I commit it, someone will look at it and ask "why are you doing like that?" |
| 20:24:53 | Nico_P | n1s: apparently not big... |
| 20:24:54 | Zagor | saratoga: not hard at all |
| 20:25:02 | Nico_P | n1s: I've tried it quite a lot and haven't had any problems |
| 20:25:16 | n1s | Nico_P: is there any way to break the recovery mode? |
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| 20:25:31 | Nico_P | n1s: I don't know |
| 20:25:51 | Nico_P | n1s: even when the update I sent didn't boot I was still able to access recovery mode and sent the OF |
| 20:25:56 | saratoga | Zagor: good, was actually going to disable it all the time on the sansa, but maybe i won't if you're making progress |
| 20:25:57 | n1s | Nico_P: so have you been able to load a rockbox bootloader? |
| 20:26:21 | Nico_P | n1s: only the hello world one that was posted on the forums... current SVN didn't boot |
| 20:28:31 | saratoga | is this because of the trouble with interupts on the S? |
| 20:29:12 | nanok | Zagor: if it would be bash, i would probably have a chance looking at it, but c is chinese to me, sorry :(, all i can do for now is come up with unsubstantiated stupid ideas and make you angry :) |
| 20:29:28 | nanok | (that, actually, has been known to work sometimes) |
| 20:29:29 | Nico_P | saratoga: no idea |
| 20:29:30 | nanok | :-P |
| 20:29:57 | n1s | Nico_P: but it did boot at some point right? |
| 20:30:21 | Nico_P | n1s: it stopped doing anything right after showing the progressbar |
| 20:30:35 | Nico_P | usually the progressbar progresses... it didn't |
| 20:30:56 | n1s | Nico_P: I mean the rockbox bootloader (if you can call it that) for someone at some point in time :) |
| 20:32:18 | Nico_P | n1s: no I don't know |
| 20:34:41 | evert | i was looking what video i could use with rockbox, where can i find the exact list of what rockbox plays ? I can't come further then the mpeg1/2 page |
| 20:36:20 | PaulJam | rockbox only plays mpeg1/2 video. see the PluginMpegPlayer wiki page. |
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| 20:36:27 | evert | PaulJam: i'm on that page |
| 20:36:29 | evert | but what exact ? |
| 20:36:33 | evert | and what for the audio ? |
| 20:36:36 | class37 | hi |
| 20:37:03 | PaulJam | evert: 44.1 kHz mp3 audio. |
| 20:37:05 | class37 | bought ipod nano 8 gig today |
| 20:37:10 | evert | PaulJam: ok |
| 20:37:12 | class37 | rockbox avail for it? |
| 20:37:19 | krazykit | class37, the fat one? |
| 20:37:24 | evert | and for the video ? I'm using avidemux and i'm seeing lot's of 'mpeg' stuff |
| 20:37:27 | Zagor | saratoga: do you mean DEV_EN &= ~DEV_USB ? |
| 20:37:39 | class37 | thin krayzykit |
| 20:37:53 | krazykit | class37, no, i mean what generation? the newest one? |
| 20:38:00 | class37 | newest |
| 20:38:04 | krazykit | then no rockbox. |
| 20:38:09 | krazykit | as it states on the front page. |
| 20:38:13 | class37 | fuck |
| 20:38:21 | class37 | going to be? |
| 20:38:31 | krazykit | only if someone writes it. |
| 20:38:43 | krazykit | which no one is right now. |
| 20:38:54 | class37 | returning... |
| 20:39:01 | class37 | that sucks |
| 20:39:07 | krazykit | they have 8 gig sansas, you know ;-) |
| 20:39:16 | class37 | are they good? |
| 20:39:29 | DogBoy | I like mine |
| 20:39:50 | krazykit | i'm happy with mine. radio, voice recording, and microSD(HC) expansion are great features. |
| 20:40:07 | evert | i like my new sansa (8gb, yesterday bought) very much :) |
| 20:40:26 | * | desowin joins the sansa e280 fanclub |
| 20:41:04 | class37 | like ipod... spent $200 approx |
| 20:41:16 | class37 | maybe i'll get another 30 gig video |
| 20:41:31 | DogBoy | another? |
| 20:41:38 | class37 | dropped one |
| 20:41:40 | desowin | but tbh. sansa wouldn't be that nice if not rockbox port to it |
| 20:41:44 | class37 | broke screen |
| 20:42:02 | DogBoy | I just use my ipod video for video now |
| 20:42:12 | evert | desowin: sansa is oout of the box all right, i only got lost in the menu's |
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| 20:42:38 | desowin | it doesn't even have proper volume control and you call it all right |
| 20:42:54 | evert | i was able to control the volume ? |
| 20:43:02 | advcomp2019 | class37, the sansa e280 is $150 new the last i new |
| 20:43:28 | desowin | evert: the volume range it offers is well, very tight |
| 20:43:59 | class37 | TY advcomp |
| 20:44:02 | desowin | I wouldn't recommend sansa for anyone for OF, but if one plans to put rockbox on it - well, it gets my recommendation ;-) |
| 20:44:12 | evert | desowin: i hadn't noticed that, but you could be right ;) |
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| 20:44:40 | DogBoy | heh, I thought rockbox was what we were talking about |
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| 20:52:32 | saratoga | Zagor: assuming that constant does what I think it does, that should do it |
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| 20:53:33 | pixelma | n1s: a bit of yellow... |
| 20:53:47 | n1s | pixelma: ah, thanks |
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| 20:56:47 | perrikwp | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY kp0431688 |
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| 20:57:19 | n1s | perrikwp: hint, change your po |
| 20:57:20 | n1s | a |
| 20:57:23 | n1s | ssword |
| 20:57:24 | perrikwp | yep |
| 20:57:35 | * | n1s kills enter key grrr. |
| 20:57:41 | perrikwp | o well, i messed that up |
| 20:58:55 | nanok | perrikwp: don't worry, shit happens |
| 20:59:05 | perrikwp | yep |
| 20:59:51 | nanok | i know of someone who once entered his passphrase in broadcast mode on a multiterminal , which included some irc terminals |
| 20:59:54 | nanok | :) |
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| 21:00:27 | nanok | i wonder who it was.. |
| 21:00:28 | nanok | :-P |
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| 21:09:51 | * | linuxstb wonders what hardware is inside here - http://www.guardianecostore.co.uk/guardian/product.aspx?topGroup=159&subCat=159&subGroup=2825 |
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| 21:15:44 | Zagor | linuxstb: here's the manufacturer: http://tclproducts.co.uk/page26.html |
| 21:16:09 | saratoga | that thing looks huge |
| 21:16:24 | Zagor | 115mm x 62mm x 26mm (w = 145g) |
| 21:16:31 | linuxstb | Yes, I found that - no firmware downloads that I could see though... |
| 21:16:56 | linuxstb | Perhaps the largest ever flash player? |
| 21:17:00 | Zagor | haha |
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| 21:19:56 | kfazz | Zagor: i tried the usb patch on a usb 1 and 2 port |
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| 21:20:07 | kfazz | on the 2 i got the same dmesg entries everyone else did |
| 21:20:15 | kfazz | on the 1, just 4 device resets |
| 21:20:23 | kfazz | is that expected? |
| 21:20:36 | Zagor | kfazz: ah, thanks for reminding me. I have yet only tested on usb2 ports. |
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| 21:20:51 | Zagor | I'll do some checks before committing. |
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| 21:22:04 | * | ender` yawns |
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| 21:24:26 | Zagor | kfazz: works well for me on linux |
| 21:24:48 | Zagor | "new full speed USB device", "not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub" |
| 21:25:07 | kfazz | hmm.. i'll try it again |
| 21:25:14 | kfazz | it was on my linux box |
| 21:25:24 | Zagor | well the patch is quite old so there may be a difference |
| 21:26:39 | Zagor | especially since my current code only does charging, so there is less to fail... |
| 21:27:17 | bertrik | What are the thoughts on using 'assert' on rockbox? |
| 21:28:31 | Zagor | bertrik: personally I'm not a fan of it. it tends to either replace better checks or be used unnecessarily |
| 21:28:52 | linuxstb | Zagor: Is there anything Sansa-specific in your patch, or should it work on other PP targets? |
| 21:29:02 | pixelma | linuxstb, Zagor: don't trust the weight specs, when I searched for the weight of the c200, I found a few sites with the right number and quite a few claiming it was 200 and something grams. The fun thing that it was always the same number and in they even specified tenths of a gram... |
| 21:29:21 | linuxstb | pixelma: Must depend how many songs are on it... |
| 21:29:21 | bertrik | oh, I very much like it, I don't see many checks at all in the current code |
| 21:29:55 | evert | how can i see the fps in rockbox's mplayer ? |
| 21:29:59 | bertrik | It can be used to catch a bug early and avoid confusion by side-effects |
| 21:30:00 | Zagor | linuxstb: in the current state only sansa and h10 is activated in their config files. I'd like some more testing before enabling it for ipod in svn. |
| 21:30:40 | linuxstb | Zagor: Sure. A simple approach would be to just commit it, and then we can enable it for each target as it gets tested. |
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| 21:30:50 | Zagor | linuxstb: exactly |
| 21:31:14 | linuxstb | Does it affect the reboot-to-disk-mode ? |
| 21:31:50 | evert | i'm trying video encoded on 600kbit, it seems to play well ,but i'm wanting to see the fps of it :) |
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| 21:32:06 | linuxstb | evert: There's a "show fps" option in the mpegplayer menu. |
| 21:32:07 | Zagor | linuxstb: I hope not :-) I have stayed away from modifying the ipod behaviour yet. |
| 21:32:55 | evert | linuxstb: where can i find that ? When i klick on a mpeg file it only shows a few options (play , resume, play from minute xx and quit ?) |
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| 21:33:18 | linuxstb | That's the "start menu". Once you play the video, you can access the main mpegplayer menu. |
| 21:33:22 | Zagor | linuxstb: for that reason the code is not yet fully "clean". i.e. there are some hw init code left in usb-fw-pp502x.c that should probably only be in my new usb-drv |
| 21:33:53 | Zagor | meh, I'll just commit this monster and you'll all see |
| 21:34:42 | * | linuxstb does the replace-one-broken-usb-stack-with-another dance ;) |
| 21:34:57 | evert | linuxstb: i've enabled the display fps, but it's flickering like every second on the screen ? |
| 21:35:20 | linuxstb | evert: Yes. It's just a debugging feature, so isn't overlayed on the video. |
| 21:35:40 | evert | linuxstb: ok, it says 24 fps constantly as far as i can see, that's good enough i think :) |
| 21:35:44 | bertrik | any other opinions on assert? or are people not familiar with it at all? |
| 21:35:53 | evert | what's the third number it's showing ? fps-frame number- ? |
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| 21:36:14 | Zagor | bertrik: do you want to use it for "code contracts"? |
| 21:36:18 | Bagder | bertrik: I like assert()s |
| 21:36:45 | bertrik | Zagor: no |
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| 21:37:24 | bertrik | I use them in my own code and I feel it helps to contain a bug to the earliest possible occurance |
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| 21:40:55 | Zagor | a problem with assert is there is no natural limit to them. you can dozens of asserts to every function. (yes I've seen it happen!) |
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| 21:41:20 | Zagor | also people tend to use assert instead of proper error handling |
| 21:41:22 | bertrik | I don |
| 21:41:30 | bertrik | t see a problem with that actually |
| 21:41:52 | Zagor | there is a problem if you intend to have them compiled-in in normal builds |
| 21:41:55 | bertrik | you can make asserts disappear completely in a non-debug build |
| 21:42:05 | Bagder | asserts should only be used in debug builds |
| 21:42:16 | Zagor | if you are talking debug-only then I have no objections |
| 21:42:17 | bertrik | I agree that asserts should not be used as an error handling mechanism |
| 21:42:36 | Bagder | no, one need to keep regular error checks apart from asserts |
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| 21:45:39 | Lear | Btw, would it be possible to send debugf:s over USB? Not sure what would be used on the PC to receive it though... (Some sort of serial port driver?) |
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| 21:46:17 | bertrik | Lear: it should be fairly easy to make a virtual com port, at least much easier than MSC |
| 21:46:18 | Zagor | Lear: yes it is possible |
| 21:46:18 | Domonoky | serial over usb could be possible.. |
| 21:46:41 | linuxstb | Doesn't the iFP port already do that? |
| 21:46:58 | bertrik | windows xp has a usbser.sys driver built-in and linux supports it with cdc-acm kernel module IIRC |
| 21:47:27 | Zagor | linuxstb: at least there is a usb_serial.c for ifp |
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| 21:48:34 | BeChris | Good evening everybody |
| 21:49:28 | Nico_P | Bagder: are assert calls compiled in by default in a non debug build? |
| 21:49:51 | Bagder | no, normal behaviour is to only have assert on debug builds |
| 21:50:51 | bertrik | Bagder: AFAIK normal behaviour of assert.h is to have it enabled by default and disabled if NDEBUG is defined |
| 21:51:02 | bertrik | But that can be changed the other way around ofcourse |
| 21:51:07 | Bagder | uhm... |
| 21:51:23 | Bagder | I think you're right |
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| 21:51:43 | Bagder | I think it's mostly me who have adapted my own "I-use-assert-in-my-debug-builds" style |
| 21:52:10 | * | Bagder lives alone in a cave and builds his own universe in here |
| 21:52:43 | Nico_P | assert.h behaves the way bertrik said, but maybe we could define NDEBUG by default and undefine it on debug builds |
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| 21:53:04 | Bagder | exactly |
| 21:53:43 | kfazz | Zagor: http://pastebin.com/m6df19a01 |
| 21:54:26 | Zagor | kfazz: ok. I just committed my code, please try it and see if you get the same problem. |
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| 21:55:38 | kfazz | Zagor: ok, as soon as turkey dinner's done |
| 21:56:19 | GodEater__ | I should really setup my build server on this thing, and let my PC die in peace |
| 21:58:15 | stripwax | Gosh, a new USB stack's' been committed. |
| 21:58:20 | * | stripwax goes reading the logs |
| 21:58:29 | * | Zagor swats some reds |
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| 21:59:47 | BeChris | Good evening every rockbox users |
| 21:59:57 | pixelma | Zagor: the deltas look weird too |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:44 | Bagder | why? it's disabled on ipods but the old stack was removed |
| 22:01:03 | rasher_ | Zagor: is this expected to work on sansas? |
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| 22:01:19 | Zagor | Bagder: yes, some apps code was removed for the old stack so green deltas should be correct |
| 22:01:26 | Zagor | rasher_: yes |
| 22:01:32 | rasher_ | Awesome. |
| 22:01:45 | Zagor | rasher_: "work" as defined as "enables charging" |
| 22:01:54 | pixelma | Bagder: ok, I thought it still would be enabled on Ipods because the H10s still have it too |
| 22:01:58 | rasher_ | Ah, so no full-speed msc yet? |
| 22:02:05 | Zagor | rasher_: no |
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| 22:02:28 | Zagor | pixelma: I wanted more ipod testing before enabling it |
| 22:02:39 | pixelma | I see |
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| 22:02:55 | bertrik | Proper charging needs to code to configure the max current and voltage for the AS3514 charger I think |
| 22:03:16 | bertrik | Or is that part of your commit too? |
| 22:03:21 | Zagor | no |
| 22:03:39 | GodEater__ | linuxstb, you here ? |
| 22:04:04 | linuxstb | GodEater__: Yes |
| 22:04:21 | GodEater__ | did you ever get your PS3 set up as a rockbox build server ? |
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| 22:04:57 | rasher_ | Zagor: would it be possible to always enter "charge without usbmode" (which usually requires you to hold down a button when inserting usb) as long as msc isn't working? |
| 22:05:04 | linuxstb | It's not an official build server, no. I don't think it would help much... |
| 22:05:18 | GodEater__ | but it does work though ? |
| 22:05:30 | linuxstb | Sure, rockboxdev.sh did its job IIRC. |
| 22:05:35 | saratoga | rasher_: its possible, my own builds do that |
| 22:05:55 | Zagor | rasher_: absolutely. I just didn't want to change a lot of behaviours with this initial commit. |
| 22:05:58 | GodEater__ | linuxstb, I might set mine up as one in that case, and see if it does better than my PC |
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| 22:06:23 | rasher_ | Zagor: I think it doesn't make much sense to actually enter usb mode as long as there's no msc. |
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| 22:07:20 | Zagor | rasher_: I agree |
| 22:08:19 | rasher_ | Can anyone explain this: http://download.rockbox.org/robots.txt ? |
| 22:08:39 | rasher_ | Would be nice to have at least the manual indexed... |
| 22:09:22 | Zagor | rasher_: historical reasons, when we had a single dl server with tiny bandwidth. I'll remove it. |
| 22:09:53 | Nico_P | GodEater__: have you run builds on it yet? |
| 22:10:26 | GodEater__ | no - but apparently linuxstb has on his |
| 22:10:36 | Nico_P | Bagder: have you had time to think about turning rev numbers into links in svn logs? |
| 22:10:45 | Nico_P | maybe URLs too |
| 22:12:03 | rasher_ | Zagor: in that case, a search field on www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml that does a google search with "site:download.rockbox.org inurl:manual/$target" would be nice |
| 22:12:43 | linuxstb | GodEater__: I've just checked the IRC logs, and I reported that a full swcodec build took 3m 30s (on 3rd April) on my ps3 |
| 22:12:58 | GodEater__ | ouch |
| 22:13:03 | GodEater__ | perhaps I won't then |
| 22:13:43 | Zagor | rasher_: what would $target be then? a drop-down selector? |
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| 22:13:56 | rasher_ | Zagor: yeah |
| 22:14:14 | Zagor | could be nice |
| 22:16:00 | preglow | jmspeex: ahoy? |
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| 22:19:07 | darkapostrophe | I installed a new revision this morning |
| 22:19:15 | darkapostrophe | I've been having USB mounting problems all day |
| 22:19:19 | darkapostrophe | Is this a known bug? |
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| 22:19:42 | krazykit | what player, darkapostrophe |
| 22:19:48 | darkapostrophe | F20 |
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| 22:23:14 | krazykit | i don't think there have been any changes that should affect the gigabeat.. |
| 22:23:40 | krazykit | but you know there's a bootloader USB mode, so you can still transfer files |
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| 22:26:55 | darkapostrophe | krazykit: I'm using that now |
| 22:27:01 | darkapostrophe | krazykit: But I'd prefer not to |
| 22:27:16 | krazykit | update to the latest build, see if that fixes it |
| 22:27:47 | darkapostrophe | Okay |
| 22:28:14 | BeChris | I'm looking for someone involved in rockbox Makefiles (to propose some modifications) |
| 22:29:17 | GodEater__ | BeChris, just make your suggestions - even if the people you want to address specifically aren't paying attention - the channel is logged |
| 22:29:52 | | Part przemhb |
| 22:29:55 | BeChris | ok GodEater, indeed I noticed some parts in Makefiles that could be highly improved to reduced compile time |
| 22:30:18 | BeChris | especially on cygwin systems which have very poor disk I/O performances |
| 22:30:29 | GodEater__ | that would be most welcome :) |
| 22:31:16 | linuxstb | Zagor: USB detection no longer works on my ipod... |
| 22:31:33 | Zagor | linuxstb: ouch |
| 22:31:36 | amiconn | Zagor: red... |
| 22:31:42 | Zagor | amiconn: I know |
| 22:31:47 | BeChris | I don't want to annoy you with that but I don't find normal to link again and again the sound codecs at every make invocation |
| 22:32:05 | linuxstb | Zagor: Too much red here... - http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/target/arm/usb-fw-pp502x.c?r1=15757;r2=15758 |
| 22:32:31 | advcomp2019 | Zagor, i thought you said that the charging would work |
| 22:32:35 | BeChris | and 'make install' for a simulator build create a zip file to unzip it right after : what a waste ! |
| 22:33:15 | Zagor | advcomp2019: it does for me |
| 22:33:26 | linuxstb | BeChris: We would welcome fixes... |
| 22:33:41 | GodEater__ | BeChris: yes - please submit patches :) |
| 22:34:05 | BeChris | Ok, I've redone 20% but I'll post a patch |
| 22:34:08 | advcomp2019 | Zagor, mine still acts like the old builds when charging in rockbox |
| 22:34:11 | BeChris | when done |
| 22:34:31 | Zagor | advcomp2019: what player? and what does "like the old builds" mean? |
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| 22:35:04 | BeChris | Going back to real life® |
| 22:35:13 | BeChris | I wish you all a good end of day |
| 22:35:20 | Nico_P | hmm, an assert call with a false condtition just causes a crash without any useful indication in my sim... |
| 22:35:28 | Zagor | linuxstb: could you simply enable usbstack and see how it works on ipod? |
| 22:35:43 | linuxstb | I've tried that - detection doesn't work, so nothing happens... |
| 22:35:49 | darkapostrophe | krazykit: It still doesn't react to USB insertion |
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| 22:36:20 | Zagor | linuxstb: aha |
| 22:36:53 | advcomp2019 | Zagor, i have the sansa e280r... it hits 100% in seconds from about 85% |
| 22:37:17 | linuxstb | Zagor: usb_detect() has no code for ipod usb detection left.... |
| 22:37:27 | Zagor | linuxstb: oops... |
| 22:37:34 | linuxstb | (and it's not as simple as checking a GPIO pin) |
| 22:38:08 | linuxstb | That complex code that was there before is the only way we know to distinguish between a usb connection to a PC and usb connection to an AC charger. |
| 22:38:24 | kfazz | zagor: current build works fine, i think the problem was i applied the patch incorrectly |
| 22:38:55 | GodEater__ | Nico? |
| 22:39:56 | Zagor | linuxstb: ah, I remember now. my plan was to implement that in the driver instead of there because it depends on the usb registers. |
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| 22:42:07 | keanu | Zagor, saw some usb code in SVN - what's happened? |
| 22:42:31 | Zagor | keanu: I simply committed my code so everyone can see it instead of asking me about it ;) |
| 22:42:57 | Zagor | the commit had some mistakes that we're cleaning up right now |
| 22:42:59 | krazykit | keanu, read the irc logs :P |
| 22:43:00 | keanu | Zagor, ah, ok. I thought maybe something super major happened |
| 22:43:08 | keanu | krazykit, 'k |
| 22:43:24 | advcomp2019 | Zagor, is my issue still ok or not |
| 22:44:03 | Zagor | advcomp2019: I haven't changed anything in the charging code, all I do is ask the hub for full power. |
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| 22:44:40 | keanu | nice |
| 22:44:45 | advcomp2019 | Zagor, ok |
| 22:44:53 | keanu | is there anything that needs testing? ;) |
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| 22:45:14 | Zagor | keanu: first I need to fix the reds and the broken ipod code |
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| 22:45:43 | keanu | oh....those reds ;) |
| 22:46:10 | Bagder | that cowboy talk... :-) |
| 22:46:23 | Nico_P | GodEater, GodEater_: yes? |
| 22:47:19 | Bagder | the god is eaten, he said he'd be back tomorrow |
| 22:47:53 | Nico_P | ah |
| 22:48:00 | Nico_P | Bagder: seen my question above? |
| 22:48:12 | Bagder | yeah, but I ignore it for now ;-) |
| 22:49:37 | Nico_P | I'd do it myself if I knew perl |
| 22:51:59 | Zagor | linuxstb: I think the quick solution is to bring all those lines back but replace the register read with a driver function call |
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| 23:03:28 | Zagor | linuxstb: please refresh my memory: that code was to choose wether to stay and charge or reboot to OF? |
| 23:04:14 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 23:07:00 | Nico_P | linuxstb: how is mknkboot called to produce an nk.bin file at the end of the S bootloader uild? |
| 23:07:26 | Zagor | hmm, I got the impression that wasn't the desired way to work |
| 23:09:51 | linuxstb | Well, usb_detect() returned either USB_INSERTED, USB_EXTRACTED or USB_POWERED |
| 23:10:20 | linuxstb | USB_POWERED was returned if either an AC charger was detected, or the user was holding the button to charge. |
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| 23:11:45 | linuxstb | Nico_P: IIRC, something like "mknkboot nk-original.bin bootloader.bin nk-merged.bin" |
| 23:12:09 | Nico_P | linuxstb: yes, but isn't it called by the make process? do I have to run it myself? |
| 23:12:23 | linuxstb | No, it requires the original firmware, so isn't part of the build system. |
| 23:12:42 | Nico_P | ah well then that's why I wasn't able to boot it :) |
| 23:12:46 | linuxstb | So you run it yourself. |
| 23:12:56 | jmspeex | preglow: pong |
| 23:13:49 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I'm not sure how the upgrade process works, but I have a feeling it may be possible to transfer code to the Gigabeat that isn't flashed, but just executed. That would be perfect for testing... |
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| 23:13:58 | preglow | jmspeex: got a new patch, if you're interested |
| 23:14:11 | Nico_P | linuxstb: that would indeed be perfect, how would it work? |
| 23:14:56 | linuxstb | Nico_P: That's for you to find out ;) I think I read something about transferring very large files (e.g. 16MB) would prevent flashing - probably in the description of the nk.bin file format. |
| 23:15:11 | Robin0800 | I see usb stack has just been commited what does this do? |
| 23:15:25 | linuxstb | Nico_P: http://www.xs4all.nl/~itsme/projects/xda/wince-flashfile-formats.html (the file format docs I read) |
| 23:15:35 | Nico_P | linuxstb: thanks |
| 23:16:32 | Nico_P | linuxstb: the bootloader file that is required (bootloader.bin)... is it eboot.bin from the OF? |
| 23:16:35 | Zagor | Robin0800: currently all it does is ask the hub for full power |
| 23:16:55 | markun | linuxstb: is part of the nk.bin file flashed? |
| 23:17:29 | linuxstb | Nico_P: bootloader.bin is Rockbox code - the aim is to inject this into the firmware update so it's run. I don't understand the details though, mknkboot just does what ptw419's (I think) merge0.cpp did, but cleaner. |
| 23:17:42 | linuxstb | markun: I've no idea what happens to it... |
| 23:17:53 | jmspeex | preglow: I'm interested |
| 23:17:54 | markun | I suspect that nothing gets flashed |
| 23:18:04 | Robin0800 | Zagor,so improves charging from usb? |
| 23:18:07 | linuxstb | markun: Although there seems to be a firmware FAT partition, so maybe it's just written there? |
| 23:18:18 | preglow | jmspeex: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/mem_functions_plus_copy_eliminate.diff |
| 23:18:19 | markun | linuxstb: yes, the nk.bin file is located there |
| 23:18:24 | Zagor | Robin0800: yes, that's the idea |
| 23:18:48 | preglow | jmspeex: this time i've replaced all the non-overlapping SPEEX_MOVEs with _COPY |
| 23:18:56 | preglow | jmspeex: and no small copies/sets |
| 23:19:05 | Nico_P | linuxstb: the bootloader build produces an nk.bin file... |
| 23:19:11 | preglow | jmspeex: btw, how to handle the bfin speex_move? |
| 23:19:25 | Nico_P | should I insert it as the bootloader? |
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| 23:20:09 | Robin0800 | Zagor,does it still use apples disc mode or has it got its own? |
| 23:20:24 | Zagor | Robin0800: still OF disk mode |
| 23:20:30 | jmspeex | preglow: I think the bfin function should go until it's replaced with one that complies with the definition |
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| 23:21:49 | jmspeex | preglow: I think it's good to only use mem* for 40 and above. That way, we know we can be a bit smarter at optimising without slowing down short copies |
| 23:22:20 | Zagor | linuxstb: you have an ipod video? |
| 23:22:35 | linuxstb | Zagor: An ipod Color and an ipod Video |
| 23:23:55 | preglow | jmspeex: yeah, agree |
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| 23:25:17 | Nico_P | hmm... nothing happens after the progressbar finishes filling |
| 23:26:52 | * | amiconn wonders about the delta differences between PP502x targets |
| 23:27:52 | Zagor | amiconn: beats me |
| 23:28:31 | Zagor | unless you mean the big red/green variations? those are because the new stack is only included in sansa and h10 |
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| 23:29:43 | amiconn | There's ~900 bytes difference between sansas and h10 |
| 23:29:53 | amiconn | And why is the new stack not included for ipod? |
| 23:30:18 | preglow | jmspeex: btw, is it just me or can't the bfin speex_move copy chars? |
| 23:30:20 | Zagor | amiconn: because afaik nobody ever tested the patches in ipod |
| 23:30:26 | Zagor | on |
| 23:30:34 | preglow | jmspeex: what's the smallest bfin data type? 16 bits? |
| 23:30:36 | amiconn | hmm |
| 23:30:49 | Zagor | now it turns out I broke usb for ipods anyway, but the idea was not to :) |
| 23:31:43 | Zagor | the h10 build needs to be tested. the delta difference could be due to missing code. |
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| 23:32:02 | jmspeex | preglow: Blackfin has chars |
| 23:32:14 | jmspeex | but I made sure not to use that function on chars |
| 23:32:24 | jmspeex | unless they'd have to be 16-bit aligned anyway |
| 23:33:03 | Zagor | is the ipod auto-boot a holy feature? it's a rather ugly hack imho |
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| 23:34:02 | n1s | Zagor: you would have to put a whine filter on irc/forums/ml/fs/wiki if you kill it :) |
| 23:34:10 | amiconn | Zagor: huh? |
| 23:34:15 | Zagor | n1s: yeah I guess |
| 23:34:24 | preglow | auto-boot? boot on usb? |
| 23:34:45 | Zagor | preglow: reboot-to-of-on-usb-insert |
| 23:34:49 | preglow | we don't want to lose that, no, not until we have usb |
| 23:35:00 | preglow | developing would be a nightmare without it |
| 23:35:19 | preglow | no keys presed on usb insert, no keys pressed on usb unplug |
| 23:35:26 | Zagor | manual reboot = nightmare? welcome to sansa land... |
| 23:35:48 | amiconn | preglow: Well, the reboot doesn't always work |
| 23:35:49 | preglow | and i don't envy you |
| 23:35:59 | preglow | amiconn: it works plenty more times than it doesn't, depends on the build |
| 23:36:27 | pixelma | Zagor: the boot to OF from off works for me... sometimes (maybe 50% of the time) |
| 23:36:50 | Zagor | pixelma: from off it works every time for me. I was referring to from rockbox. |
| 23:36:51 | amiconn | Zagor: This reboot isn't a hack, btw. On early ipods, it's exactly what the OF does when it detects storage connection (though that's firewire) |
| 23:37:11 | pixelma | Zagor: oops, that's what I meant too |
| 23:37:13 | amiconn | All ipod ROMs have this magic-string mechanism |
| 23:37:17 | Zagor | it's still a hack, even if other people do it |
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| 23:37:35 | amiconn | It just tells the apple loader what to do |
| 23:37:48 | Zagor | we must be talking about different things. I mean the "start stack and see if a computer responds" hack. |
| 23:38:42 | preglow | ? |
| 23:38:58 | Robin0800 | preglow,I find the disconnect from usb to always be ok if mode started from rockbox but mode fom apple disc mode always crashes player on disconnect |
| 23:39:29 | Zagor | preglow: that's how it detects if its' a charger or a computer connecting. it starts the stack and looks for traffic for a while. if no traffic, it's a charger... |
| 23:39:53 | Zagor | s/it/we :) |
| 23:40:37 | preglow | Zagor: i didn't even know about that |
| 23:40:42 | preglow | but then i don't have a charger |
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| 23:45:28 | linuxstb | Zagor: Yes, it's a hack, but it works nicely. You insert USB, your ipod reboots into disk mode, you extract usb, your ipod reboots back into Rockbox... |
| 23:46:44 | preglow | that's not what he's talking about |
| 23:46:54 | Zagor | actually it is |
| 23:47:05 | Zagor | or, partly at least |
| 23:47:06 | preglow | i thought you were talking about charging now :/ |
| 23:47:54 | Zagor | well yes, specifically I'm talking about the detection of charger/computer. I have no objection to the rebooting, but the charger detection is rather messy. |
| 23:48:06 | linuxstb | If you can suggest a better way.... |
| 23:48:38 | amiconn | linuxstb: In 50% of all cases, at best... |
| 23:49:05 | linuxstb | amiconn: You're talking about the bug that stops the reboot? |
| 23:49:07 | Zagor | how about we tell the charger users to hold down a button too? |
| 23:49:13 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:49:14 | preglow | where'd we get that detection code from? |
| 23:49:16 | linuxstb | Zagor: That's not a hack? ;) |
| 23:49:52 | Zagor | linuxstb: is it a hack for computer users? |
| 23:49:53 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you have dircache enabled on the targets where you experience that? On my ipod color, dircache enabled -> freeze, dircache disabled -> reboot nicely. |
| 23:50:06 | amiconn | Dircache doesn't matter |
| 23:50:17 | Zagor | the separation is silly imho, and causes much ugliness in our code |
| 23:50:17 | linuxstb | It reliably does for me... |
| 23:50:21 | jmspeex | preglow: I think the memset you've used in bits.c is actually useless (i.e. the loop it replaces was useless). Can you confirm since you use it? |
| 23:50:33 | amiconn | The target that freezes most often is the ipod mini - and there I don't use dircache because of the quick spinup |
| 23:50:57 | linuxstb | Zagor: There were _lots_ of complaints before about ipods rebooting when you insert the charger - ipod's don't have a separate AC socket, they can only charge via usb. |
| 23:51:02 | linuxstb | s/'// |
| 23:52:00 | advcomp2019 | Zagor, sorry but my e280r is not charging in rockbox as far as i can see |
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| 23:52:16 | linuxstb | Zagor: It also causes reboot cycles - if you insert a charger when the ipod is switched off, it would boot Rockbox, Rockbox would detect USB, so it would reboot to disk mode, disk mode would detect no computer, so reboot back to Rockbox, and so on.... |
| 23:52:57 | Zagor | linuxstb: true. alright, I'll add the darn thing |
| 23:53:24 | amiconn | linuxstb: They can also charge via firewire - even those which don't support firewire data transfer :) |
| 23:53:25 | Zagor | advcomp2019: and it did before my commit? |
| 23:54:08 | advcomp2019 | Zagor, yea, it was slow but it did |
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| 23:54:13 | Soap | if I'm reading this battery_bench right, the Sansa E200 in question does not appear to charge while attached to USB and in Rockbox. |
| 23:54:21 | Soap | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/SandiskE200BatteryMeasurements/e280_r14552_battery_bench.txt |
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| 23:55:42 | Soap | note the old SVN number, if that has any bearing on the topic at hand. |
| 23:57:35 | amiconn | linuxstb: Where is this detection method from, btw? |
| 23:57:51 | Zagor | Soap: previously we used whatever power we got from the hub. I just committed a patch that requests full power from the hub. that *should* help |
| 23:58:03 | amiconn | Maybe there's an input bit on GPO32 and it's actually GPIO32 ?? |
| 23:58:29 | preglow | jmspeex: i'll have a look |
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