| 00:00:27 | jmspeex | preglow: I mean that the pack funcitons clear the bytes themselves instead of relying on the bits being already cleared. |
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| 00:03:39 | Zagor | advcomp2019: so what happens? do you get the charging animation? |
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| 00:05:04 | preglow | jmspeex: speex really doesn't have too much pointer fanciness, seeing which is needed is usually just a matter of looking at the arguments |
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| 00:05:53 | jmspeex | preglow: unless pointers alias. Did you check that. For example, in sb_celp, I reuse the input array as temp data |
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| 00:06:12 | preglow | that's what i meant, really, and i didn't see too much of it |
| 00:06:15 | preglow | and no, i didn't notice that |
| 00:06:25 | advcomp2019 | Zagor, after about 20 to 30 minutes of charging the percentage of battery life does not move 1% |
| 00:06:44 | preglow | but, sure, %s/_COPY_/MOVE/g and you should be good to go |
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| 00:10:17 | preglow | jmspeex: well, just removing that loop works fine for me |
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| 00:12:29 | RaZorbacK | hello it may have been discussed but i've just made a voice file with the new speex codec and every messages of my menus end with a slash. is there a workaround ? |
| 00:13:55 | preglow | RaZorbacK: what do you mean end with a slash? |
| 00:13:58 | preglow | "Settings slash" |
| 00:14:02 | preglow | "Recording settings slash" |
| 00:14:05 | preglow | ? |
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| 00:14:21 | RaZorbacK | preglow: nes |
| 00:14:26 | RaZorbacK | yes |
| 00:14:49 | preglow | *shrug* |
| 00:14:53 | preglow | what engine? what lang? |
| 00:15:22 | RaZorbacK | french : virginie from scansoft and english : paul from neospeech |
| 00:16:40 | preglow | well, i have no idea |
| 00:16:43 | preglow | doesn't happen here |
| 00:17:01 | RaZorbacK | gosh |
| 00:18:08 | linuxstb | amiconn: Blame me for that detection method. |
| 00:18:50 | amiconn | linuxstb: Where did you get that from? RE? |
| 00:19:48 | linuxstb | Experimentation with barrywardell's usb debug plugin. |
| 00:23:46 | Zagor | btw has anyone looked into why system_reboot() doesn't work on sansas? |
| 00:24:29 | RaZorbacK | damn! think thiss slash issue has been discussed on the list but can't find it anymore |
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| 00:27:33 | frawfraw | i'm running an ipod color photo w/ current nightly build. i just installed and now I can't reconnect to the PC |
| 00:27:35 | frawfraw | any ideas? |
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| 00:28:04 | Zagor | advcomp2019: on my c200 the battery rushes rather rapidly from 80 to 100. |
| 00:28:32 | pixelma | Zagor: what should system_reboot() do? |
| 00:28:50 | RaZorbacK | preglow: have you heard about this slash issue? sory to insist.... |
| 00:28:51 | * | Llorean will have a c200 soon. |
| 00:28:58 | Zagor | pixelma: how do you mean? reboot? |
| 00:29:38 | preglow | RaZorbacK: i have not, no |
| 00:29:47 | pixelma | reboot to OF on USB plug? |
| 00:30:14 | RaZorbacK | i'm gonna try to clean my source folder.... |
| 00:30:23 | sirstun | Who do I ask for TWiki edit permission? |
| 00:30:29 | frawfraw | what is the shutdown keystroke on an iPod? |
| 00:30:39 | Zagor | pixelma: system_reboot is the firmware function that performs a reboot. it doesn't work on sansa. or at least it didn't last I tried. |
| 00:30:40 | * | amiconn already built loads of voice files, all without "slash" |
| 00:31:04 | Zagor | pixelma: and hence we can't reboot on usb plugin |
| 00:31:14 | RaZorbacK | k |
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| 00:31:27 | linuxstb | frawfraw: USB detection is currently broken. You need to manually boot into disk mode or the original Apple firmware. |
| 00:31:37 | pixelma | Zagor: it works for me half of the time (as I said earlier) |
| 00:31:55 | frawfraw | hm, can I install a previous version that works? |
| 00:31:57 | amiconn | Zagor: Afaik it did work, after low_light found the necessary magic |
| 00:32:14 | Zagor | amiconn: aha, nice. so we should enable it then. |
| 00:32:31 | amiconn | eh? |
| 00:32:46 | amiconn | I thought it already was enabled?? |
| 00:32:48 | pixelma | (just put it wrong). But it gets stuck on the Rockbox USB screen like on the Ipods but it isn't so obvious because the backlight turns off |
| 00:33:03 | Zagor | amiconn: I mean boot-on-usb-connect on sansa |
| 00:33:09 | Zagor | reboot, even |
| 00:33:13 | amiconn | yes, sure |
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| 00:33:35 | pixelma | Zagor: I only remember that there were differences with low_light's and my c200, that's why there was a second commit |
| 00:33:37 | Zagor | I am silly... it's not enabled in my code :) |
| 00:34:15 | Zagor | I should probably sleep more |
| 00:34:18 | sirstun | Hi. I'm Spencer. I'm asking for permission to edit the TWiki now that I've registered |
| 00:34:34 | amiconn | Ahahaha: I just got a reeeeaaallly nice speed test result from test_codec: 13,168% ! |
| 00:34:48 | Zagor | sirstun: what is your twiki username? |
| 00:34:50 | amiconn | (aka something is broken with the codec) |
| 00:34:51 | advcomp2019 | Zagor, yea but if you use OF on my e200 for about 20 to 30 minutes it raises the battery life about 5 to 10 percent but in rockbox it does not get a charge now.. before you added the new usb stack i got about 1% |
| 00:35:18 | Zagor | advcomp2019: strange |
| 00:35:23 | sirstun | SpencerHarston |
| 00:35:24 | amiconn | (one second to decode a 133 second speex file) |
| 00:35:43 | frawfraw | on the nightly build, is the only way to shut down to switch to original firmware and then shut down from there? |
| 00:36:01 | frawfraw | my rockbox autoreboots whenever I try to long press the play key |
| 00:36:13 | amiconn | What target? |
| 00:36:19 | jmspeex | amiconn: that's pretty fast. What CPU? |
| 00:36:21 | frawfraw | ipod photo color |
| 00:36:23 | Zagor | sirstun: done. welcome! |
| 00:36:30 | sirstun | Thanks! |
| 00:36:30 | amiconn | jmspeex: It's a bug.... |
| 00:36:53 | amiconn | frawfraw: Hmm. The photo should shut down from rockbox when holding Play |
| 00:37:11 | linuxstb | frawfraw: Do you have usb connected? |
| 00:37:14 | Zagor | pixelma: how is charging working for you? |
| 00:37:18 | frawfraw | yea |
| 00:37:22 | frawfraw | that might do it, huh |
| 00:37:23 | amiconn | Ah |
| 00:37:32 | frawfraw | thanks |
| 00:37:39 | pixelma | Zagor: haven't updated yet |
| 00:37:40 | linuxstb | frawfraw: And yes - if you install today's "daily build", then usb detection will work. |
| 00:38:16 | jmspeex | amiconn: Too bad. Though I'm sure it's possible on some fast embedded CPUs/DSP |
| 00:38:46 | frawfraw | linuxstb: is there a cross compiler for rockbox components or will cygwin gcc g++ work |
| 00:38:57 | amiconn | linuxstb: Maybe test_codec doesn't check whether the codec returns an error? |
| 00:39:11 | amiconn | (or even doesn't load because of api version mismatch) |
| 00:39:37 | linuxstb | frawfraw: You need gcc built as a cross-compiler (for ARM in the case of the ipods). The Rockbox wiki page "CrossCompiler" has instructions. |
| 00:40:10 | amiconn | frawfraw: If you want to use cygwin, we have crosscompiler packages |
| 00:40:12 | Robin0800 | linuxstb,except it does not work on the ipod video if plugeg in to usb it ddoes not boot to disc mode and there is no charging |
| 00:40:35 | frawfraw | linuxstb: arm huh, i wonder if I can cross compile to NokiaS60 ... |
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| 00:42:01 | * | amiconn wonders what the speex license is |
| 00:44:12 | amiconn | preglow: Putting the contents filters_arm4.S into iram on PP5002 does have an effect, but not as much as I would have expected |
| 00:44:27 | amiconn | 300% -> 340% for wb -q4 vbr |
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| 00:46:25 | jmspeex | amiconn: BSD |
| 00:47:27 | frawfraw | how many active developers work on rockbox currently |
| 00:48:20 | krazykit | frawfraw, depends on your definition of developers. |
| 00:48:43 | frawfraw | coders |
| 00:48:45 | krazykit | if you mean those with SVN access, or if you mean them + people who post patches to the tracker, and so on |
| 00:49:10 | frawfraw | a) "active" patchers to the core system |
| 00:49:21 | frawfraw | b) total active patchers to all the extra stuff |
| 00:49:45 | Llorean | frawfraw: http://www.ohloh.net/projects/3978?p=rockbox |
| 00:50:23 | Llorean | You can see how many total people have ever contributed by reading the CREDITS file. |
| 00:50:54 | kfazz | Zagor: i've been messing around with usb storage and some cool thigns came up in dmesg |
| 00:50:57 | kfazz | http://pastebin.com/d3e97d6a0 |
| 00:52:03 | Zagor | kfazz: yeah that's about how far it works right now |
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| 00:52:33 | kfazz | sansa froze after that |
| 00:55:09 | RaZorbacK | ok no more slashs after a source clean up ... |
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| 01:00:12 | * | DerPapst just rockboxed his e250R :) |
| 01:00:31 | Zagor | yay! |
| 01:00:55 | amiconn | preglow: Compare that with the 460% the same file reaches on PP5022... |
| 01:01:27 | DerPapst | lets get rid of those *.rdx files.. they take 950MB space on a 2GB player... |
| 01:01:36 | DerPapst | i don't even know what they are |
| 01:02:08 | krazykit | DerPapst, the crummy rhapsody songs |
| 01:02:22 | preglow | amiconn: way better than nothing |
| 01:02:25 | DerPapst | amiconn: have to charge by 3Gs first to test a current rockbox build |
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| 01:02:51 | preglow | amiconn: i think speex uses some kind of bsd style license |
| 01:03:02 | DerPapst | krazykit: ah realy? i thought they are in /music/interpret/song.mp3 |
| 01:03:35 | preglow | amiconn: anyway, there's still more asm to be written for speex |
| 01:03:41 | DerPapst | krazykit: but the *.rdx ones appear in /system/music |
| 01:03:47 | krazykit | no, that's the "edgy" music they preload on there that isn't protected by DRM :P |
| 01:03:52 | preglow | the highpass is next on my list, but i should probably try to rewrite iir_mem16 to use direct form 1 first |
| 01:04:04 | DerPapst | aha |
| 01:04:13 | jmworx | preglow: how much speed did you gain through asm? |
| 01:04:22 | Zagor | kfazz: what player is that by the way? |
| 01:04:41 | DerPapst | krazykit: so they're basicly the same songs? |
| 01:04:43 | preglow | jmworx: a fair deal, but depends on the platform |
| 01:04:55 | preglow | jmworx: qmf_synth() was the biggest gain |
| 01:05:00 | jmworx | like 20% or like 50% |
| 01:05:03 | preglow | jmworx: quite understandably, i guess |
| 01:05:24 | jmworx | managed to replace the qmf with an IIR filter? |
| 01:05:30 | preglow | jmworx: i can't really remember, i can do a quick test, would coldfire or arm be more interesting? |
| 01:05:30 | krazykit | DerPapst, no, but you probably don't want any of them |
| 01:05:41 | preglow | jmworx: nope, didn't try too hard, really |
| 01:05:45 | DerPapst | heh |
| 01:05:55 | preglow | i need to finish other stuff i have going before i start new things |
| 01:06:33 | DerPapst | krazykit: the OF only showed me those in /music but not those in /system/music if they aren't the same |
| 01:06:46 | krazykit | DerPapst, you obviously didn't check the Rhapsody channels |
| 01:06:52 | jmworx | preglow: Both would be interesting :-) |
| 01:06:53 | DerPapst | ahh |
| 01:07:29 | kfazz | sansa e280 |
| 01:07:44 | preglow | jmworx: both coming up |
| 01:09:21 | advcomp2019 | Zagor, i just tested it again for about 30 minutes and it still does not charge.. so i do not know what is going on still |
| 01:10:30 | amiconn | preglow: Btw, those functions take 960 bytes of iram. Should I just put an #if/#else into the .S file? |
| 01:11:02 | preglow | amiconn: hrmrmrmr |
| 01:11:07 | preglow | amiconn: well, yeah, do that for now |
| 01:11:19 | Zagor | advcomp2019: I don't know either. we need more testers. |
| 01:11:24 | amiconn | Do you have a better idea? |
| 01:11:26 | preglow | amiconn: i doubt they benefit coldfire or pp502x much, they're very loop based and should be cached nnicely |
| 01:11:35 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:11:36 | preglow | amiconn: no better ideas, no |
| 01:12:12 | advcomp2019 | DerPapst could test it |
| 01:12:25 | preglow | amiconn: btw, people say speex voice is much more responsive than the old voice engine, so i guess all the old swapping clutter did impact performance somewhat |
| 01:12:35 | n1s | advcomp2019: does rockbox detect the connection at all? it could be that the host cuts power to the port... |
| 01:12:50 | amiconn | Very possible. I do have the same impression, btw |
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| 01:13:16 | advcomp2019 | n1s, rockbox does see the connection |
| 01:13:21 | preglow | jmworx: what kind of mode do you want me to benchmark? |
| 01:13:54 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, i think so myself, it just works much more like it should now |
| 01:13:55 | n1s | advcomp2019: does the sansa of have any settings for "usb hub" mode or something similar? |
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| 01:15:43 | jmworx | preglow: can you do wb and nb? |
| 01:15:44 | advcomp2019 | n1s, what do you mean.. i did not know there was a setting to change to charge in rockbox mode |
| 01:16:04 | jmworx | preglow: bit-rate doesn't really matter |
| 01:16:13 | preglow | jmworx: i can |
| 01:16:32 | n1s | advcomp2019: in the _OF_ ? i know that used to affect usb charging on h300 so it could be usefull to know |
| 01:16:33 | preglow | jmworx: i'll do q8 vbr for all of them |
| 01:16:39 | jmworx | fine |
| 01:18:11 | advcomp2019 | n1s, i have the OF in MSC mode |
| 01:18:45 | n1s | advcomp2019: yes, but does it have any settings related to usb other than that? also might be good to check the rockbox setting... |
| 01:18:51 | amiconn | Zagor: red once more... |
| 01:19:08 | advcomp2019 | n1s, there is no other settings |
| 01:19:09 | Zagor | amiconn: yeah, it's obviously too late for me now... |
| 01:19:20 | advcomp2019 | in OF |
| 01:20:05 | kfazz | *PANIC* Stkov (0) ... fun |
| 01:20:08 | n1s | advcomp2019: and "Charge during USB connection" is enabled in rockbox (i think that setting is available for the sansa) |
| 01:20:13 | n1s | ? |
| 01:20:47 | advcomp2019 | n1s, i do not remember that in the manual but i will look again |
| 01:20:53 | preglow | jmworx: ok, for arm, these are the performance gains from optimizing signal_mul, mem_iir16 and qmf_synth, for uwb, wb and nb: 76%, 50%, 10% |
| 01:21:37 | n1s | advcomp2019: general settings -> system -> battery |
| 01:21:39 | jmworx | preglow: you mean you made uwb 4x faster!!! |
| 01:22:13 | preglow | there must be some misunderstanding here :P |
| 01:22:24 | preglow | wouldn't 100% mean 2x faster? |
| 01:22:27 | jmworx | you you mean a factor of 1.76? |
| 01:22:33 | advcomp2019 | n1s, i do not have that in my menu |
| 01:22:39 | jmworx | well, if you cut time by 76%, it's 4x faster :-) |
| 01:22:57 | preglow | jmworx: those numbers are calculated from (newruntime-oldruntime)/oldruntime*100 |
| 01:23:01 | n1s | advcomp2019: ok, guess it's a spanking new bug then :) |
| 01:23:05 | preglow | jmworx: 100% means it's twice as fast |
| 01:23:16 | jmworx | preglow: BTW, how do you enable/disable the assembly based on the platforms and compile options? |
| 01:24:04 | preglow | jmworx: hacky :/ right now i just disabled compilation of filters_arm4.S and disbled some OVERRIDE_ defines |
| 01:24:52 | jmworx | preglow: if you use (newruntime-oldruntime)/oldruntime*100, then 100% means instantaneous |
| 01:25:01 | Llorean | jmworx: We work in % realtime. A 76% increase means we can decode 176 seconds of audio in 100 second of real time, not that it takes 76% less time. :) |
| 01:25:19 | Llorean | Rather, a 76% increase from a base of 100 |
| 01:25:55 | Llorean | At least, if it's on test-codec output |
| 01:26:08 | jmworx | Llorean: Ok, ok, I've had high school maths you know. |
| 01:26:17 | preglow | well, it really is (newrtpercentage-oldrtpercentage)/oldrtpercentage*100 |
| 01:26:18 | advcomp2019 | n1s, i looked at an old build it did not have that in the menu too |
| 01:26:23 | preglow | these are test codec runs, yes |
| 01:26:51 | preglow | jmworx: ok, coldfire coming up, i can give you straight performance figures to eliminate confusion here |
| 01:26:58 | jmworx | preglow: percentage is proportional to 1/time. Anyway, I understand what you meant |
| 01:27:18 | n1s | advcomp2019: I mean that you are experiencing a new bug not that the menu entry missing is one (although it probably should be made available it wouln't help you now :)) |
| 01:27:25 | Llorean | jmworx: I was more just clarifying the terms that tend to get used here. There is still the problem of "does 3% more speed" mean 3% more beyond realtime, or 1.03 times the previous result. |
| 01:27:46 | advcomp2019 | n1s, o ok |
| 01:29:00 | n1s | Llorean: whichever sounds better :) 500%->600% is still a 100% increase! :P |
| 01:29:21 | amiconn | hahaaa |
| 01:29:54 | Llorean | n1s: We should have a "codec efficiency description" standard. :-P |
| 01:30:18 | jmworx | Llorean: it's not different than speech recognition score. |
| 01:30:58 | n1s | Llorean: of course, and a complete guide for running bechmarks :P |
| 01:30:59 | jmworx | Where 90% to 95% can be either explained as a 5% reduction in errors or a 50% reduction in errors! |
| 01:31:15 | jmworx | (to disambiguate, they say "absolute" or "relative" |
| 01:31:16 | jmworx | ) |
| 01:31:31 | Zagor | i'm off to bed before I do any more quick fixes... |
| 01:31:39 | Llorean | jmworx: That'd work here too then |
| 01:31:41 | preglow | but they're so entertaining! :P |
| 01:31:54 | kfazz | zagor: between usbstack and OF the sector count is off by one. is that normal? |
| 01:32:00 | Llorean | An absolute 5% gain would be 200->205% realtime, and a relative would be 200->210% right? |
| 01:32:27 | preglow | jmworx: coldfire, same functions, same file mode order: 222.48% -> 446.45%, 439.81% -> 685.56%, 975.07% -> 1027.82%, percentages are % realtime |
| 01:32:49 | preglow | jmworx: like you see, coldfire loves qmf_synth, hates iir_mem16, but that will probably change when i reimplement it as df1 |
| 01:33:14 | jmworx | preglow: not bad |
| 01:33:27 | Zagor | kfazz: no that sounds wrong. look at usb_storage.c:230 and compare with the scsi and ata specifications |
| 01:33:28 | preglow | the qmf_synth function is really tight on both arm and coldfire, though |
| 01:33:30 | jmworx | the arm is 7tdmi? |
| 01:33:34 | preglow | jmworx: aye |
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| 01:34:14 | Zagor | kfazz: uh, :226 even. |
| 01:34:22 | jmworx | preglow: Think the functions are translatable to gcc inline asm? |
| 01:34:31 | kfazz | k |
| 01:34:34 | kfazz | thanks |
| 01:34:35 | preglow | jmworx: well, sure, you'd just need to remove all the stack bunging |
| 01:34:49 | * | n1s hates inline asm urg |
| 01:34:56 | preglow | n1s: me too :/ |
| 01:34:57 | jmworx | preglow: I mean in terms of register usage? |
| 01:35:11 | preglow | jmworx: in terms of register usage, i really don't know, gcc is too weird |
| 01:35:15 | preglow | jmworx: i use all registers i canm |
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| 01:35:41 | jmworx | ...or I could convert everything to regular asm, but I'm not sure how to do that cleanly |
| 01:35:52 | preglow | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/codecs/libspeex/filters_arm4.S?view=markup |
| 01:36:00 | preglow | jmworx: well, at least you're in the clear for arm |
| 01:36:08 | pixelma | XavierGr: around? |
| 01:36:17 | preglow | jmworx: though endian stuff might need to be adjustable by a macro or something, i pretty much assume little endian now |
| 01:36:38 | jmworx | preglow: Is endianness relavant at all in these functions??? |
| 01:36:51 | preglow | jmworx: sure, instead of loading one and one 16 bit value, i load two at a time if i can |
| 01:37:18 | preglow | jmworx: in arm, always avoid doing loads |
| 01:37:18 | jmworx | and let me guess... ARM is dual-endian? |
| 01:37:25 | jmworx | what about ColdFire |
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| 01:37:31 | preglow | jmworx: originally little endian, but these days it can do both |
| 01:37:37 | preglow | jmworx: coldfire is strictly be |
| 01:37:52 | jmworx | euh? |
| 01:37:54 | jmworx | be or le? |
| 01:37:59 | preglow | big endian |
| 01:38:14 | preglow | jmworx: arm is the dual endian one |
| 01:38:19 | jmworx | ah, you meant "originally little endian, but these days it can do both" for ARM? (was confused) |
| 01:38:29 | preglow | yep |
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| 01:38:36 | amiconn | But arm be seems to be rarely used |
| 01:38:52 | preglow | jmworx: i use the same trick in coldfire to very good effect, since the coldfire mac unit directly supports specifying lower or upper parts of registers as operands, much like the arm5 mul instructions do |
| 01:39:05 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, i haven't seen it ever, actually |
| 01:39:08 | preglow | i just know it's possible |
| 01:39:16 | jmworx | preglow: yeah, the Blackfin does that as well |
| 01:39:40 | jmworx | preglow: what do you do about alignment? |
| 01:39:46 | preglow | jmworx: assume it :) |
| 01:40:08 | jmworx | right, you're not using DF1 yet... |
| 01:40:09 | preglow | jmworx: honestly, though, that's not a risky part at all, all arrays should be aligned by their data type size, and that's all i assume, afaik |
| 01:40:09 | linuxstb | I think some iriver ARM firmwares are big-endian, can't remember which though. |
| 01:40:48 | jmworx | preglow: yes, I was going to say you can safely assume at least 4-byte alignment everywhere |
| 01:40:49 | preglow | jmworx: why would that be troublesome with df1? |
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| 01:41:29 | jmworx | preglow: it's a bit trickier because your input is "unaligned" for every other iteration |
| 01:41:56 | * | linuxstb tests the latest SVN on his ipod - still no usb detection... |
| 01:42:45 | amiconn | Latest svn doesn't build for ipods... |
| 01:42:45 | preglow | jmworx: that reminds me, if i do port some asm to use df1, should i change the _mem16 memory type to 16 bit, or just cast the 32 bit memories to 16 bit internally? |
| 01:43:05 | amiconn | (unless there's another commit that didn't show up yet due to the hung build |
| 01:43:17 | jmworx | preglow: the main function you probably want to do now is interp_pitch() |
| 01:43:36 | jmworx | preglow: to give you an idea of how much you can save, try disabling the enhancement |
| 01:44:15 | DerPapst | advcomp2019: test what USB stuff? i guess i can do but my devenv is not available currently ;) |
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| 01:44:18 | jmworx | preglow: the _mem16 functions really require 32-bit memory because the memory needs to be DT2T-compatible |
| 01:44:31 | jmworx | (to within a scaling factor) |
| 01:44:35 | * | amiconn wonders what df1 means |
| 01:44:41 | jmworx | "direct form 1" |
| 01:45:00 | jmworx | DF2T = "direct form 2 transposed" |
| 01:45:01 | linuxstb | amiconn: Ah, Zagor reverted his commit before going to bed... |
| 01:45:25 | advcomp2019 | DerPapst, i was having issues with the new usb stack not charging my e200 in rockbox |
| 01:45:50 | DerPapst | aha |
| 01:45:59 | preglow | amiconn: just other ways of doing the same filtering thing |
| 01:46:25 | DerPapst | but did rockbox show some kind of charging animation? |
| 01:46:54 | preglow | amiconn: like df1 is good for fixed point archs with good multiply-accumulate instructions, which is why i use that in the eq |
| 01:47:14 | preglow | amiconn: but speex uses tdf2, since that requires less memory and expressed elegantly in c |
| 01:47:33 | advcomp2019 | DerPapst, mine shows it is connected but does not charge tho |
| 01:48:55 | DerPapst | hmmhm... i guess i can only test that with connecting the sansa to my pc and watch the battery drain? |
| 01:50:07 | * | DerPapst looks to watch and realizes that it's already 1:48am D: |
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| 01:55:43 | DerPapst | night all |
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| 02:03:07 | JdGordon | what happened to the build server killing itself if the build takes longer than 20min? |
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| 02:23:01 | bobrules | I just installed rcokbox on my sansa e200 |
| 02:23:16 | bobrules | I need help |
| 02:23:38 | bobrules | I still can't read chinese on rockbox |
| 02:23:38 | advcomp2019 | bobrules, what do you need help with |
| 02:23:47 | bobrules | where do I change the setting |
| 02:24:19 | bobrules | chinese characters shows weird boxes |
| 02:24:22 | advcomp2019 | are the tags in unicode |
| 02:24:39 | bobrules | I don't know |
| 02:24:44 | markun | bobrules: which font are you using? |
| 02:24:54 | bobrules | how do I tell |
| 02:25:00 | bobrules | I just used the full installation |
| 02:25:17 | markun | not many of the fonts support chinese |
| 02:25:24 | markun | you can try "unifont" |
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| 02:25:50 | bobrules | so I change the font? |
| 02:26:03 | markun | yes |
| 02:26:11 | safetydan | bobrules: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeGuide is possibly also useful to you |
| 02:26:22 | bobrules | the tags are id3v1 |
| 02:27:12 | bobrules | when I switched to unifont |
| 02:27:23 | bobrules | haldf of my chinese songs are normal |
| 02:27:27 | pixelma | then you need to set the default codepage too, if I understand correctly |
| 02:27:33 | bobrules | the rest are still messed up |
| 02:28:49 | pixelma | settings > general settings > display > default codepage |
| 02:29:08 | bobrules | what do I change it to, chinese or unicode? |
| 02:30:36 | pixelma | that depends on how they were created, I don't think id3v1 tags can be unicode though |
| 02:31:55 | bobrules | the non working ones show up as werid symbols |
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| 02:33:27 | bobrules | so is unicode good or bad |
| 02:34:03 | safetydan | bobrules: unicode makes some things easier. If you read the page I linked earlier it might clear things up for you. |
| 02:35:02 | bobrules | can I convert songs into unicode? |
| 02:36:41 | safetydan | bobrules: you can convert the tags to unicode yes |
| 02:36:48 | bobrules | with mp3 tag? |
| 02:36:55 | pixelma | I just saw something about it on said wiki page ;) but I'm off, good luck |
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| 02:37:34 | alienbiker99 | so is usb implemented now, or is it still commented out? |
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| 02:38:34 | safetydan | bobrules: sure |
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| 02:44:08 | Falco98 | happy thanksgiving =) |
| 02:44:13 | Falco98 | anyone around this evening? |
| 02:47:19 | Falco98 | *cricket* |
| 02:47:20 | Falco98 | hehe |
| 02:48:14 | Falco98 | if anyone ends up seeing this after i'm gone: my g/f is having a pretty serious issue with her 4g ipod greyscale... she posted about it, but hasn't gotten any replies yet... |
| 02:48:16 | Falco98 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13915.0 |
| 02:49:16 | bobrules | what program? |
| 02:49:58 | Falco98 | eh? |
| 02:50:13 | Falco98 | program? |
| 02:50:33 | bobrules | convert unicode |
| 02:52:03 | Falco98 | oh, you're talking about something from before i joined, sry |
| 02:52:45 | safetydan | bobrules: that page gives some suggestions to try. |
| 02:53:26 | safetydan | Falco98: get her to try scandisk/chkdsk it might be filesystem corruption |
| 02:54:19 | Falco98 | ok, though i think she may have done that previously |
| 02:54:23 | bobrules | mp3tag works right? |
| 02:54:36 | bobrules | btw, does rock box support album picture yet? |
| 02:54:56 | Falco98 | bobrules: certain builds do, i think |
| 02:55:17 | krazykit | bobrules, Falco98, it was comitted recently |
| 02:55:28 | Falco98 | ooh, nice =) |
| 02:55:45 | bobrules | unicode is utf-8 what's utf-16? |
| 02:56:23 | safetydan | bobrules: utf-8 and utf-16 are encodings of Unicode. Generally you'd use utf-8 |
| 02:56:52 | Falco98 | does Album Picture only work on Color targets, i guess? |
| 02:57:07 | safetydan | Falco98: should work on any bitmap target including grayscale ones |
| 02:57:18 | bobrules | do I convert to ID3 or APE?v2 |
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| 02:57:37 | Falco98 | what's the source of the album picture? does it use a specifically-named jpg file in the album directory or something? |
| 02:57:43 | safetydan | bobrules: Rockbox does not support APE tags so use ID3 |
| 02:58:07 | safetydan | Falco98: bitmap file see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
| 02:58:22 | Falco98 | thx |
| 02:59:42 | webguest51 | Hey. |
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| 03:01:45 | bobrules | anyone know how to convert tags into unicode using mp3 tags? |
| 03:01:55 | Falco98 | safetydan: she's gonna run a chkdsk now... we'll see what happens |
| 03:03:17 | safetydan | bobrules: google is your friend |
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| 03:05:53 | bobrules | ok if I want to add songs how do I switch back to the original firmware |
| 03:06:01 | bobrules | I want to use the USB to make some changes |
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| 03:06:07 | jpt9 | hey |
| 03:06:57 | jpt9 | so what's up with the new USB stack? what exactly does it do? (I have a Sansa e250; it showed up as a "Digital audio player", which Vista doesn't have drivers for. Is this just for charging? |
| 03:07:29 | Llorean | It's still in-progress work |
| 03:07:32 | jpt9 | ah. |
| 03:07:55 | bobrules | oh cool when I plug in, rockbox auto disable itself |
| 03:08:48 | bobrules | is it normal? |
| 03:09:01 | jpt9 | what do you mean by "auto disable"? |
| 03:09:24 | jpt9 | afaik, it's always stopped the music and brought up a USB screen on my Sansa e250. |
| 03:09:26 | bobrules | it goes into the original firmawre |
| 03:09:33 | jpt9 | ah. |
| 03:09:45 | jpt9 | it auto-reboots *while you're running rockbox*?! |
| 03:09:47 | jpt9 | that's cool. |
| 03:09:52 | bobrules | no |
| 03:09:54 | bobrules | it was off |
| 03:09:55 | jpt9 | oh. |
| 03:09:57 | bobrules | when I pugged it in |
| 03:09:57 | jpt9 | yeah... |
| 03:09:59 | jpt9 | i know. |
| 03:10:23 | Llorean | jpt9: The iPods reboot when you plug in USB, and go into the Apple disk mode. Players with working USB of course just use that. |
| 03:10:29 | Llorean | Many players turn on when USB is inserted. |
| 03:11:19 | bobrules | does rockbox work differently on different players? |
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| 03:11:51 | Llorean | Not really |
| 03:12:03 | Llorean | Sometimes a feature doesn't work all the way because we don't have full support for parts of its hardware yet. |
| 03:12:12 | Llorean | Or of course, things like Radio are missing on players without Radios. |
| 03:12:19 | bobrules | i'm running on sansa |
| 03:12:21 | Llorean | But in general it works as similarly as is reasonably possible. |
| 03:12:50 | bobrules | why can't rockbox look similar to original firmware? |
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| 03:13:21 | Llorean | Because nobody's programmed support for the visual effects necessary to do so? |
| 03:13:50 | bobrules | rockbox reminds me of psp custom firmware |
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| 03:14:02 | Llorean | Rockbox looks like Rockbox. A lot of its visual design comes from its origins on monochrome players, and players with text based displays. But there's also the simple fact that more time goes into useful features than eye candy. |
| 03:14:15 | bobrules | true |
| 03:14:39 | Llorean | The people who want lots of shiny effects rarely are willing to actually work on them. |
| 03:14:49 | bobrules | what's cross fade I don't know how to configure it |
| 03:14:55 | Llorean | Read the manual |
| 03:15:43 | safetydan | bobrules: you can customise the appearance of Rockbox |
| 03:16:29 | bobrules | why does wma have no tag type |
| 03:16:31 | Llorean | safetydan: But the Sansa has a semi-graphical menu as its main menu, impossible to replicate with the current feature set. |
| 03:17:03 | Llorean | bobrules: I believe the tag type is only really to differentiate between ID3v1 and v2 |
| 03:17:45 | bobrules | hows the gb emulator on rockbox ? |
| 03:18:03 | jpt9 | you guys and the songbird guys should get together and rig up songbird to use the rockbox database runtime data. |
| 03:18:15 | safetydan | Llorean: true. I'm still "stuck" with the grayscale h120 interface. I wasn't aware the newer players were getting shiny interfaces. |
| 03:18:36 | Llorean | safetydan: We have colored icons now, and colored filenames based on extension. |
| 03:18:40 | Llorean | Nothing particularly thrilling yet. |
| 03:18:57 | Llorean | jpt9: They hardly need anything from us for that, it'd entirely be something on their side |
| 03:19:18 | jpt9 | yeah... |
| 03:19:26 | Llorean | jpt9: In fact, our code is designed to be semi-easily usable in other apps for that purpose, I think. There's even a not-working-at-the-moment stand-alone database generator example, I think |
| 03:19:33 | jpt9 | cool. |
| 03:19:45 | jpt9 | that'd actually be useful −− having the ability to generate databases on the computer. |
| 03:20:13 | bobrules | what kind of tag do I need to have in order for rockbox to display chinese? |
| 03:20:26 | jpt9 | what if you extended the database_skip mechanism so you could dedicate parts of the database that the computer would index, and the player would just leave the computer's index alone (for C64 music, for example)... |
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| 03:34:20 | jpt9 | are there any still-in-production non-ipod hard drive-based players that support rockbox? |
| 03:35:21 | Llorean | Not even the iPods are still in production |
| 03:35:45 | jpt9 | i know that. |
| 03:36:13 | jpt9 | from what I can tell, the Sandisk flash players are the only ones that are still being made... |
| 03:36:16 | Llorean | Then the non-ipod part of your statement was kinda unnecessary, wasn't it? |
| 03:36:30 | Llorean | The sansas *possibly* aren't even still made. |
| 03:36:32 | jpt9 | good point... |
| 03:36:54 | Llorean | Since there's now the definite version 2 of the c200, and probably v2 of the e200 using apparently different hardware, or at least, different firmware setups |
| 03:37:25 | Soap | v2 of e200? |
| 03:37:35 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 03:37:42 | jpt9 | the page for the sansa e280 on amazon doesn't mention anything about audible... |
| 03:37:47 | Soap | dang, I had figured they were just discontinuing the e200 all 'round. |
| 03:37:55 | Falco98 | have there been any breakthroughs yet in the cracking of the Ipod Classics? |
| 03:38:03 | Soap | no |
| 03:38:11 | Soap | no attempts either |
| 03:38:13 | Llorean | Soap: People at abi are claiming to have a new generation of the hardware that's incompatible |
| 03:38:14 | Falco98 | aw |
| 03:38:55 | Llorean | I'd kinda assumed they were going to give up on the e200 series for the various newer flash players they're making |
| 03:38:58 | Falco98 | i saw a post somewhere that someone had gotten a bootloader to run on an ipod classic −− just not a rockbox one |
| 03:39:08 | Soap | they lied |
| 03:39:13 | Llorean | Falco98: As far as we know, at least, nobody's cracked the encryption. |
| 03:39:49 | Soap | or documented a serious attempt. |
| 03:39:54 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 03:40:02 | Falco98 | i'll try to find the post i'm thinking of... not sure where it was |
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| 03:45:43 | Falco98 | safetydan: she ran chkdsk /f, and it found no errors. |
| 03:45:45 | Falco98 | http://www.weirdncrazy.com/images/chkdsk.jpg |
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| 03:59:45 | safetydan | Falco98: defrag maybe? Just seems unlikely to be Rockbox specific problem but more something to do with the filesystem or drive. How does it behave in the OF? |
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| 04:00:13 | Falco98 | she can't really tell, there are no ipod-original files left on it to test with |
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| 04:11:45 | JdGordon | bugger! I cant do a commit today which I was hoping to because the build system is dead again :( |
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| 04:39:45 | Llorean | 190 minutes and counting. =/ |
| 04:40:27 | JdGordon | and at least 5 hours before its fixed |
| 04:40:52 | Llorean | What were you gonna be committing? |
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| 04:42:42 | JdGordon | reworking the list code so only the drawing part cares about multiple screens |
| 04:42:46 | Llorean | Aaah |
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| 04:43:03 | JdGordon | im hoping it will bring a decent delta and possibly a speed boost... |
| 04:45:18 | Llorean | Always good |
| 04:45:32 | Llorean | Also a step closer to viewports perhaps? |
| 04:45:45 | JdGordon | probably not.. |
| 04:46:27 | JdGordon | if it happens the way linuxstb wrote up, it wont be such a big deal to get them working with the existing code |
| 04:46:42 | Llorean | Ah |
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| 04:50:16 | class37 | is there a timeline on porting to 5th gen ipods... i have nano 8gig |
| 04:50:17 | class37 | ? |
| 04:51:11 | Llorean | Rockbox runs on the 5th gen iPod. The Nano 8gig is either a 2nd or 3rd generation of the Nano line, NOT a 5th gen iPod. |
| 04:51:27 | class37 | ok |
| 04:51:30 | class37 | thank you |
| 04:51:35 | Llorean | As well, there are never timelines. You can't predict these things, but of course, until someone who owns one actually works on it, nothing will happne. |
| 04:52:03 | class37 | how big a job is it? |
| 04:52:27 | JdGordon | > < that big! |
| 04:52:46 | JdGordon | in comparisson... the pyramids were only > < that big |
| 04:53:03 | Llorean | class37: It requires people with knowledge of embedded programming, and someone to figure out how to get past the encryption, at the very least |
| 04:53:25 | class37 | thx |
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| 05:09:05 | Spanky | hey everyone |
| 05:09:41 | Spanky | is anyone here? |
| 05:10:04 | Llorean | Usually |
| 05:10:32 | Spanky | hi llorean |
| 05:10:34 | safetydan | There's 135 people in the channel. Whether they're physically "here" is a philosophical question with many answers. |
| 05:10:43 | Spanky | lol |
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| 05:11:15 | Spanky | well i figured i would come here to ask a question about my ipod photo |
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| 05:12:06 | Llorean | Well, this channel is for Rockbox support |
| 05:12:49 | Spanky | i have looked around for "unsupported" builds to allow album artwork and i found the jbuild but its pretty old and doesn't have the features of the new current builds... are there any custom builds for my older ipod? |
| 05:14:22 | Llorean | Well, Rockbox supports Album Art now |
| 05:14:49 | Spanky | oh really? how do i go about getting it on my photo? |
| 05:15:11 | Llorean | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
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| 05:16:53 | Spanky | you, llorean, you are a all-knowing god |
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| 05:24:13 | alienbiker99 | is the usb stack just a replacement of the old one? |
| 05:24:20 | JdGordon | yes |
| 05:24:52 | Spanky | is there an easy way (besides patching) to change the boot logo on my ipod photo? I really like the one Julius did. |
| 05:25:22 | Llorean | No |
| 05:27:02 | Spanky | and a continuation on the album artwork, will that show up in a wps? if so, what wps' are there that have artwork in them. i dont believe i saw any on rockbox |
| 05:28:11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 05:28:18 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've got a Gigabeat F20 |
| 05:28:20 | krazykit | check the WPS galleries. there are several with album art support. some of them should work with svn |
| 05:28:48 | Dark_Apostrophe | In the last two daily binaries, I've had a problem mounting the player to the computer |
| 05:28:55 | Spanky | they say that they require the album artwork patch, margins and other patches... will they still work? |
| 05:29:03 | Dark_Apostrophe | It doesn't work when Rockbox is running, but bootloader USB mode works just fine |
| 05:29:05 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://pastebin.ca/794475 |
| 05:29:08 | Dark_Apostrophe | dmesg output ^ |
| 05:29:13 | Dark_Apostrophe | ' |
| 05:29:35 | Dark_Apostrophe | The first part is when rockbox was running, then at the end, I disconnected it and powercycled into bootloader USB mode |
| 05:30:51 | Llorean | Dark_Apostrophe: Why are you using dailies and not SVN current? |
| 05:31:08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Cause that's what rbutilqt installs, isn't it? |
| 05:31:25 | Llorean | What SVN revision is the newest one you've tested it with? |
| 05:31:34 | Llorean | We ask that people not report things they haven't verified with a current version. |
| 05:32:35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay, I'll update it with rbutilqt, ok? |
| 05:33:12 | Llorean | Using the current build link, not the archived build |
| 05:33:19 | Dark_Apostrophe | I do |
| 05:33:29 | Llorean | Well current builds are not dailies... |
| 05:33:59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay, my bad |
| 05:34:16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anyway, I just updated it. I got this when connecting it to USB after rebooting it |
| 05:34:18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Buffer I/O error on device sdd1, logical block 10676 |
| 05:34:18 | Dark_Apostrophe | lost page write due to I/O error on sdd1 |
| 05:34:18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Buffer I/O error on device sdd1, logical block 68955 |
| 05:34:18 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Dark_Apostrophe |
| 05:34:18 | Dark_Apostrophe | lost page write due to I/O error on sdd1 |
| 05:35:07 | Llorean | And is there a build that does work? |
| 05:35:33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, prior to the day before yesterday, the last time I updated it was saturday |
| 05:35:51 | Dark_Apostrophe | It worked just fine until that |
| 05:37:14 | Spanky | While searching for a wps to display album artwork I found a dead link: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300 |
| 05:37:16 | Llorean | That's a wide range. |
| 05:37:31 | Spanky | oops... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsIriverH300/DigiCurveAlpha.zip) there it is |
| 05:37:32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Llorean: I know... |
| 05:37:52 | Llorean | Dark_Apostrophe: So... why not test with the "Archived Builds" button? |
| 05:38:06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay |
| 05:39:06 | Llorean | And then file a proper bug report, once you've narrowed down a daily. Though as you're the only person reporting it, you may be asked to track it down to a specific SVN revision if you can |
| 05:40:00 | Dark_Apostrophe | :o |
| 05:40:04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Now it works just fine! |
| 05:40:08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Using the archived build |
| 05:46:36 | Spanky | ok i just downloaded and tested eyetunes, jclix_night, frostbox_aa, and icatcher (which are all the wps for the photo that have album artwork in their wps) and none work properly |
| 05:46:54 | Spanky | are there any tested or working wps for the ipod photo that will display album artwork without patches? |
| 05:48:49 | Llorean | They're probably all very out of date |
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| 05:48:54 | Llorean | Few people maintain their WPSes. |
| 05:50:11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Llorean: so, what now? |
| 05:50:11 | Spanky | kinda raises the question of if album artwork is working on the current rockbox build then why isnt there a theme released that takes advantage of that |
| 05:50:18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Llorean: The archive build worked just fine |
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| 05:55:41 | Llorean | Dark_Apostrophe: Well, that's today's daily. |
| 05:56:13 | Llorean | So if a current build from yesterday didn't work, the absolute current build didn't work, but one between did work, there's probably something weird about your player |
| 05:56:29 | Llorean | Have you tried a new cable, or a different USB port? |
| 05:57:20 | Dark_Apostrophe | I haven't, but I regularly use both the same USB port and the same cable for other things, such as my camera |
| 05:57:30 | krazykit | someone else with an F20 was complaining about the same problem, actually |
| 05:57:46 | Llorean | Dark_Apostrophe: "Regularly" including "many times since the problem started showing up"? |
| 05:57:46 | krazykit | i don't have my f40 handy to test it, either |
| 05:58:01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Llorean: Yes |
| 05:58:09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Llorean: I used the camera multiple times yesterday |
| 05:58:19 | Llorean | krazykit: The _exact_ same problem? |
| 05:58:27 | Llorean | krazykit: And it wasn't him? |
| 05:58:49 | Llorean | Dark_Apostrophe: It's sounding more like hardware issues then. There's not really any reason the problem would go out and come back from build to build like that. |
| 05:58:59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay... :/ |
| 05:59:11 | Llorean | I'm not saying it's definite though |
| 05:59:16 | Llorean | But it's odd. |
| 05:59:21 | Llorean | Do you use a dock, or a direct cable connection? |
| 05:59:38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Direct cable |
| 05:59:46 | Llorean | Try the dock, if you have it. |
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| 06:00:10 | * | Mouser_X has misplaced his Gigabeat dock... |
| 06:00:13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Llorean: I have it, somewhere... :p |
| 06:00:21 | Dark_Apostrophe | The question is: where? :p |
| 06:01:48 | krazykit | son of a... it was him. just capitalized differently and without the underscore. damn confusing nick differences. |
| 06:02:06 | krazykit | i should really check these things first. |
| 06:03:11 | Dark_Apostrophe | hah |
| 06:03:21 | Dark_Apostrophe | My connection must've been fucky then |
| 06:03:31 | Llorean | Please watch your language |
| 06:03:43 | Dark_Apostrophe | When I get a ping timeout, my client instantly reconnects, but since there's a ghost remaining, it does /nick darkapostrophe |
| 06:03:44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Sorry |
| 06:05:11 | Spanky | Does anyone have a solution for having album artwork but no wps to display it? |
| 06:05:34 | alienbiker99 | add the tags to the wps file |
| 06:06:55 | krazykit | r15765 - usb works just fine on my f40. |
| 06:06:59 | Spanky | i have no clue how to do that |
| 06:08:28 | Dark_Apostrophe | krazykit: Must be my hardware, then. :/ |
| 06:08:52 | Llorean | Spanky: Well there's no solution other than "make one" if there aren't any currently available |
| 06:11:11 | Spanky | Llorean: I see at the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt page there are the wps tags. can I just add those to the bottom to any theme and make it work? Sorry, I really have no clue about rockbox coding. |
| 06:12:43 | Llorean | No. |
| 06:12:49 | Llorean | You'll need to read the CustomWPS page and learn a little bit |
| 06:17:16 | Spanky | I believe there is a bug in the current build. I have rockbox started up and running idle and when I plug it into the usb port, nothing happens. I have to re-boot the ipod into its original firmware to get it to become connected to my computer. |
| 06:17:33 | psycho_maniac | Spanky: what player? |
| 06:17:47 | Spanky | I tried 3 times and it did this on the previous build too. It's not the cable either. Its a iPod Color 4G 20GB |
| 06:18:34 | Spanky | It doesn't even look like it's charging.. isn't there supposed to be a charging icon up at the top? |
| 06:19:31 | Spanky | I just tried other USB ports. Still nothing. |
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| 06:24:02 | Spanky | Also, my iPod just said "Shutting Down" and it just restarted. It's probably because of the USB cable plugged into it. |
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| 06:25:03 | webguest63 | hello |
| 06:25:24 | Spanky | hey |
| 06:25:41 | webguest63 | I have an iriver h10 5gig, and when I play audio my pcm buffer runs out repeatedly. |
| 06:25:50 | webguest63 | any way to fix? |
| 06:25:58 | webguest63 | im using a custom build |
| 06:26:01 | webguest63 | by TheMono |
| 06:26:12 | Spanky | :D lol I'm not a rockbox guy I was just saying hi |
| 06:26:17 | webguest63 | from misticriver.net |
| 06:26:20 | webguest63 | oh |
| 06:26:25 | webguest63 | hi |
| 06:26:28 | webguest63 | lol |
| 06:26:57 | Spanky | hey webguest63 is there a custom build for a ipod 4G over at misticriver? |
| 06:27:07 | webguest63 | i dont think so |
| 06:27:13 | scorche | webguest63: custom builds are unsupported.. |
| 06:27:15 | webguest63 | its an iriver-only site |
| 06:27:42 | webguest63 | hence the name MISTiCriver |
| 06:28:00 | Spanky | meh not that creative |
| 06:28:06 | webguest63 | i know |
| 06:28:09 | webguest63 | not my site |
| 06:28:14 | Spanky | lol |
| 06:28:31 | webguest63 | rockbox is so cool.... |
| 06:28:38 | Spanky | i second that |
| 06:28:51 | webguest63 | i guess i'll just downgrade my version for now.... |
| 06:29:01 | psycho_maniac | webguest63: the only way to get this fixed iw ould say is to use a standard current build. |
| 06:29:07 | webguest63 | i guess i can live without the fm tuner |
| 06:29:11 | webguest63 | oh ok |
| 06:29:16 | webguest63 | ill try that in a bit |
| 06:29:42 | Spanky | psycho_maniac: do you need any more info or anything about the usb? |
| 06:29:57 | webguest63 | i was debatin wether or not to but my WPS'es wouldnt work with the SVNs |
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| 06:53:49 | woodensoul | I'm trying to debug a WPS using the simulator with the command line switch −−debugwps, but I'm not sure how to do it. |
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| 07:05:40 | J-23 | woodensoul: Run WPS on emulator and look at console output? |
| 07:07:36 | woodensoul | how can I look at the console output? |
| 07:09:26 | woodensoul | I opened up a command prompt, navigated to the directory containing the simulator, and ran it with the −−debugwps switch. |
| 07:09:27 | J-23 | hmm... |
| 07:11:01 | woodensoul | The sim started, but I didn't see any debug info in the command window |
| 07:11:32 | woodensoul | Should I be running the rockboxui.exe? |
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| 07:46:35 | Ave | wow the nano glitch fix WAS ide setup problem afterall, amazing |
| 07:47:02 | Ave | big congrats to all testers and fixers.. |
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| 07:47:55 | webguest17 | Does anyone know if and when rockbox will be for use/created for a Cowon D2 PMP??? |
| 07:48:15 | scorche | well, no one is working on it and it wont happen by itself |
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| 07:49:19 | JdGordon | the d2 is being "worked on" isnt it? |
| 07:49:37 | JdGordon | ots one of the possible telechips daps iirc |
| 07:49:53 | webguest17 | Any good ideas as to how I mught be able to start working on firmware for that PMP or help with that firmware being brought to light? |
| 07:50:46 | JdGordon | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10164.0 |
| 07:51:15 | JdGordon | morning LinusN, the build master needs kicking... |
| 07:51:29 | LinusN | hooray |
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| 08:18:34 | mrkiko | Hi all! Finally, with the yesterday build (15754 or 15752, I don't remember), my player NEVER CRASHES! |
| 08:19:22 | mrkiko | Question: I saw the new usb styack. Does the new usb stack change code included in boot-loader exclusively ? |
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| 08:19:41 | mrkiko | In pratcie: is for me important to update my boot-loader (h340 player) |
| 08:19:43 | mrkiko | ? |
| 08:20:41 | JdGordon | no |
| 08:20:55 | mrkiko | JdGordon: ok ... |
| 08:21:15 | mrkiko | JdGordon: thank a lot for your reply! |
| 08:21:32 | mrkiko | JdGordon: has fs#8003 been removed? It should be now... |
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| 08:26:18 | LinusN | mrkiko: the new usb stack only applies to the portalplayer targets, without a USB-ATA chip |
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| 08:26:56 | mrkiko | LinusN: woww! How much work should you do so to implement all the job via software? |
| 08:27:34 | LinusN | ask christian and zagor :-) |
| 08:27:42 | LinusN | and björn, i mean |
| 08:27:58 | LinusN | it's plenty of work, actually |
| 08:28:15 | mrkiko | LinusN: I immagine. Does those player have an ATA or flash disk? |
| 08:28:28 | LinusN | both |
| 08:29:00 | LinusN | (and most flash disks use ATA too) |
| 08:29:26 | mrkiko | LinusN: .. I saw. |
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| 08:37:25 | amiconn | mo0ning |
| 08:37:53 | amiconn | LinusN: Eh? Your settings_list.c commit shows an empty diff... |
| 08:38:23 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, the diff ignores whitespace changes for some reason |
| 08:39:02 | amiconn | Ah, a case of important whitespace |
| 08:39:18 | * | amiconn wishes the viewvc diff would be more clever |
| 08:39:36 | LinusN | indeed |
| 08:39:37 | mrkiko | LinusN: I can't find fs#8203 on flyspray. Can you explain me (even briefly if you want) in what the bug was consisting on? |
| 08:39:38 | LinusN | - "rec split type", "Split, Stop", NULL, 2, |
| 08:39:38 | LinusN | + "rec split type", "Split,Stop", NULL, 2, |
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| 08:40:31 | LinusN | mrkiko: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8203 |
| 08:41:19 | mrkiko | thank you |
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| 08:54:27 | Mouser_X | mrkiko: Rockbox has the ability to set the setting that pauses playback when the headphones are removed. |
| 08:54:57 | LinusN | Mouser_X: on the targets that have the hardware to support it, that is |
| 08:55:02 | LinusN | i.e ipod |
| 08:55:19 | alienbiker99 | is that i? |
| 08:55:21 | alienbiker99 | it* |
| 08:55:22 | GodEater | it works on gigabeat too I think |
| 08:55:38 | LinusN | i wasn't aware that gigabeat had that feature as well |
| 08:55:42 | Mouser_X | I don't have it on, but I assume it works on the Gigabeat as well, since the button LEDs turn on when I remove my headphones. |
| 08:56:03 | * | GodEater tests :) |
| 08:56:12 | * | LinusN too :-) |
| 08:56:17 | GodEater | yep |
| 08:56:24 | GodEater | but only if you pull the main jack |
| 08:56:32 | GodEater | it can't tell if the headphones have come free of the remote |
| 08:56:51 | Mouser_X | Though I didn't explicitly say it, that is what I meant. |
| 08:57:44 | Mouser_X | I should go to bed... |
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| 09:01:00 | mrkiko | Thank you Mouser_X |
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| 09:07:01 | LinusN | time to remove the fictional hardware eq on the ipod? |
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| 09:09:04 | LinusN | i find it quite embarrassing to boast hardware eq support when it simply doesn't work |
| 09:09:37 | markun | LinusN: it could be used just for treble and bass, right? |
| 09:10:20 | markun | or is it even missing something there? |
| 09:10:27 | LinusN | of course |
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| 09:10:57 | LinusN | but calling it "5-band hardware EQ" is simply wrong |
| 09:11:16 | LinusN | even the latest cnet article mentions it |
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| 09:11:53 | markun | LinusN: I would also say remove it and turn on HW bass and treble |
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| 09:12:41 | amiconn | LinusN, markun: There is a patch by safetydan (iirc) for that, but last time I tried it didn't apply, and there was some gibberish in english.lang (which did apply) |
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| 09:15:14 | pondlife | LinusN: Did that last commit work? http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/settings_list.c?r1=15767;r2=15768 says not... |
| 09:15:31 | LinusN | pondlife: see the irc log |
| 09:16:00 | LinusN | (the viewvc diff ignores whitespace) |
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| 10:13:23 | Nico_P | aliask: hi |
| 10:17:05 | aliask | Nico_P: Hey |
| 10:17:13 | aliask | Nice work with the linux updater |
| 10:17:15 | Nico_P | :) |
| 10:17:36 | Nico_P | do you hav an idea why the current SVN bootloader doesn't display anything? |
| 10:18:23 | aliask | Not really, but I'll look into it |
| 10:18:34 | Nico_P | did it use to work for you? |
| 10:18:52 | Nico_P | I'd like to make sure I'm not doing anything wrong by trying a version known to work |
| 10:19:12 | aliask | Yes, I thought it was working, but maybe I've got some local changes |
| 10:19:44 | Nico_P | I'm not completely sure I'm using mknkboot properly |
| 10:21:48 | Nico_P | aliask: I'm probably doing something wrong, seeing as bootloader/gigabeat-s.c never changed |
| 10:22:04 | aliask | I'm trying a clean SVN build right now |
| 10:22:09 | Nico_P | cool, thanks |
| 10:22:46 | GodEater | Nico_P: go time for a quick git PM session ? |
| 10:22:51 | GodEater | s/go/got/ |
| 10:23:23 | Nico_P | sure |
| 10:24:14 | aliask | Nico_P: Clean SVN boots fine for me |
| 10:25:21 | aliask | mknkboot usage is ./mknkboot original_nk.bin /path/to/bootloader.bin output_nk.bin |
| 10:25:22 | Nico_P | aliask: ok, then I'm doing something wrong... I'm making a bootloader build and then running mknkboot, using the resulting nk.bin as boot file |
| 10:26:02 | markun | aliask: can you send Nico_P your nk.bin file? |
| 10:26:18 | aliask | Good idea markun |
| 10:26:27 | Zagor | ipod "newstack" activation coming up |
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| 10:28:38 | Nico_P | aliask: dcc? |
| 10:28:42 | aliask | Nico_P: http://58.109.97.210/temp/nk.bin |
| 10:30:09 | Zagor | let me get this straight: h10 users want to reboot if you press a button while connting usb. ipod want to reboot if you _don't_ press a button while conneting? any change we could unify this? |
| 10:30:19 | Zagor | chance |
| 10:31:05 | Nico_P | aliask: I can't connect |
| 10:31:21 | aliask | Nico_P: http://58.109.97.210:70/temp/nk.bin |
| 10:31:25 | aliask | Sorry, forgot the port number |
| 10:31:40 | Nico_P | better :) |
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| 10:32:22 | Nico_P | aliask: when I build a bootloader build, the resulting nk.bin is the one I should use as "bootloader.bin", right? |
| 10:32:46 | aliask | No |
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| 10:33:10 | pondlife | Zagor: On H340 we connect USB unless a button is pressed, don't know if that gives you something to unify around? |
| 10:33:14 | aliask | That nk.bin is a half baked attempt to generate a "clean" nk.bin (ie, not relying on the OF nk.bin) |
| 10:33:28 | aliask | It doesn't really do anything useful sadly. |
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| 10:33:44 | Nico_P | aliask: then that's why I was failing... which file should I use then? |
| 10:34:03 | Nico_P | boot.bin maybe :p |
| 10:34:08 | pondlife | Zagor: There have been calls for an option to reverse that though (so USB charge-only is the default). |
| 10:34:19 | aliask | Inside the build directory, there should be a folder called bootloader, and you want bootloader.bin |
| 10:34:27 | pondlife | Depends on the "normal" charging method for a target. |
| 10:34:32 | Nico_P | aliask: ok |
| 10:34:52 | LinusN | pondlife: might make sense on the targets that only have usb charging |
| 10:34:53 | Nico_P | boot.bin was actually a file I created... |
| 10:34:58 | * | Nico_P stupid |
| 10:35:35 | pondlife | LinusN: On all targets. If I don't have another charger handy most of the time... |
| 10:36:00 | pondlife | All targets where we can control it, I mean |
| 10:36:18 | Nico_P | aliask: it worked! |
| 10:36:33 | aliask | Hoorah! |
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| 10:37:40 | Zagor | I just want it to work the same on all targets. |
| 10:37:46 | linuxstb | Zagor: IIUC, the H10 is a special case because you need to hold RIGHT when rebooting in order for the OF to enter USB mode. So the normal behaviour is reversed, so the user holds RIGHT in Rockbox, and keeps it held in order to enter USB mode. |
| 10:38:04 | Nico_P | aliask: so what can I do now? :) |
| 10:38:05 | pixelma | pondlife, LinusN: there is a patch for the Ipod that does that which a few unsupported builds use. And there are a few posts of people saying "help, I can't connect to USB" even though it is in the respective "release notes"... |
| 10:38:05 | aliask | Nico_P: I love the fact that it doesn't flash every time you update the build now |
| 10:38:17 | Zagor | linuxstb: aha |
| 10:38:17 | Nico_P | aliask: why's that? |
| 10:38:41 | aliask | I bricked my last Gigabeat by accidentally removing the power cable during flashing |
| 10:38:42 | linuxstb | Zagor: But obviously when your usb stack is working, we can make all targets consistent. |
| 10:38:49 | pondlife | pixelma: An option (defaulting to connect) would mean they wouldn't be so confused.. |
| 10:39:18 | Nico_P | aliask: does it mean the firmware update is safe? i.e. I'll always be able to recover? |
| 10:39:23 | aliask | Yes |
| 10:39:26 | Nico_P | cool |
| 10:39:32 | aliask | IIUC |
| 10:39:33 | Nico_P | and why doesn't it flash anymore? |
| 10:39:48 | aliask | I'm guessing because we aren't sending the eboot.bin file |
| 10:40:07 | aliask | Whereas the gigabeat v updater would send eboot, nk and recovery.bin |
| 10:40:12 | Nico_P | makes sense... are you using sendfirm too? |
| 10:40:18 | aliask | Yes |
| 10:40:19 | pixelma | markun: seen the yellow? ;) |
| 10:40:32 | Nico_P | aliask: good to know... I think you were the first tester |
| 10:41:08 | aliask | Apart from you? |
| 10:41:15 | Nico_P | yes |
| 10:41:19 | aliask | Ah |
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| 10:41:48 | aliask | Do you know if it's possible to silence those protocol errors when it finishes transferring? |
| 10:42:44 | Nico_P | not sure... they seem to be due to the fact the player shuts down... when you upgrade with the OF from within the OF, it doesn't shut down and there are no errors |
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| 10:43:46 | aliask | Can you send the firmware update without entering the manufacturing mode? |
| 10:43:57 | Nico_P | yes |
| 10:43:58 | aliask | (if it's running the OF at the time) |
| 10:44:03 | aliask | Interesting... |
| 10:44:22 | Nico_P | that's how I sent the SVN bootloader just now |
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| 10:44:41 | aliask | That's a much nicer update - that way people won't have their music collections erased when they upgrade |
| 10:44:57 | Nico_P | hadn't thought of that, but yeah |
| 10:45:41 | markun_ | pixelma: not yet |
| 10:46:09 | Nico_P | aliask: what kind of work could I attempt to do now? |
| 10:46:22 | markun_ | pixelma: I could just remove the DEBUGF.. |
| 10:46:37 | aliask | Well, in terms of what next to do I really want to know why we can't load the rockbox binary (or dual boot with the OF). It could just be that I'm doing something wrong in the code, but it seems like it just freezes as soon as I jump to the new location in memory |
| 10:47:20 | Nico_P | that's the code that is in #if 0 ? |
| 10:48:48 | aliask | Yes, basically, though that's just copied from some other port and wouldn't work |
| 10:49:07 | aliask | Is it possible to just send any kind of file to the player? |
| 10:49:15 | aliask | (Using MTP) |
| 10:49:46 | markun_ | pixelma: I found one slight bug with my new code, but not yet how to fix it |
| 10:50:05 | pixelma | markun_: what does it mean if the viewer now uses the plugin buffer? Is there any possibilty that it now would stop music playback on large textfiles on Archos targets where the plugin buffer is smaller (no idea about the exact number and how it compares to what there was before) |
| 10:50:27 | Nico_P | aliask: yes... sendfirm.c was derived from sendfile.c that does just that |
| 10:50:34 | markun_ | if the whole file fits inside the buffer and you press right to jump to the end, you end up passed the last 'page' |
| 10:51:04 | markun_ | pixelma: would be easy to add support for the audio_buffer |
| 10:51:21 | markun_ | we could do it if no audio is playing anyway |
| 10:51:31 | pixelma | markun_: ignore the "stop playback part", that would be if it grabs the audio buffer too |
| 10:51:48 | Nico_P | aliask: sendfile.c is in the libmtp source (examples) |
| 10:52:09 | pixelma | markun_: but is there more buffer now than before or less? |
| 10:52:14 | markun_ | more |
| 10:52:29 | pixelma | ok, nice :) |
| 10:52:30 | aliask | Nico_P: I'm going to see if we can send a rockbox.gigabeat over MTP before you do you the firmware update |
| 10:52:43 | markun_ | pixelma: I believe it went from 0x3000 to 0x8000 on the archoses |
| 10:53:12 | markun_ | although perhaps a part of that is used by the plugin itself? |
| 10:53:14 | Nico_P | aliask: it's quite easy... mtp-sendfile <src> <dest> |
| 10:53:19 | Nico_P | I can try if you want |
| 10:54:07 | aliask | Nico_P: Sure, but I was just going to write a quick bootloader that would give a dirlist to confirm that it sent it |
| 10:54:37 | Nico_P | ok |
| 10:56:19 | pixelma | markun_: that's what I would expect but don't know enough... |
| 10:56:33 | pixelma | that's why I asked you ;) |
| 10:57:39 | markun_ | pixelma: you could test is by scrolling down until the HDD spins up and then do the same with the new build :) |
| 10:57:53 | markun_ | s/is/it |
| 10:58:42 | Nico_P | aliask: why do I only see the first two printf calls on screen? kernel_init never returns? |
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| 11:00:09 | aliask | Nico_P: it should... |
| 11:00:43 | Nico_P | aliask: I don't see "Congratulations!", nor an error |
| 11:01:02 | aliask | Maybe some of the disk stuff is stalling... |
| 11:01:03 | Nico_P | so something seems to be blocking |
| 11:01:14 | Nico_P | I'll add a few more printfs |
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| 11:04:28 | Nico_P | aliask: kernel init is OK but not disk init |
| 11:04:35 | Nico_P | err no, ata_init |
| 11:05:02 | aliask | Grrr, I thought I had all that working... |
| 11:05:28 | markun_ | aliask: forgot to commit something maybe? |
| 11:05:55 | aliask | Probably, but I upgraded harddrives and deleted most of my local work |
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| 11:06:30 | aliask | It's probably something reasonably simple though, seeing as I got it working in the first place :P |
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| 11:09:36 | Nico_P | aliask: could the problem be in ata_device_init? |
| 11:10:17 | aliask | Possibly |
| 11:10:22 | pixelma | markun_: my Archos doesn't have a HDD ;) |
| 11:10:46 | markun_ | pixelma: then the buffer size doesn't matter anyway :) |
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| 11:11:55 | Nico_P | aliask: is it possible to insert printfs in other code, like ata_init and ata_device_init? |
| 11:12:07 | mattzz | /join #twiki |
| 11:12:26 | mattzz | argh sorry |
| 11:12:29 | markun_ | :) |
| 11:12:30 | aliask | Nico_P: I used a bit of a hack and made it so DEBUGF basically did the same thing as printf |
| 11:12:48 | Nico_P | I want that hack! :) |
| 11:13:02 | aliask | I can't commit it though, as it's unsightly |
| 11:13:10 | aliask | I'll make a patch from clean svn |
| 11:13:11 | Nico_P | could you send me a patch? |
| 11:13:14 | Nico_P | thanks |
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| 11:13:45 | Nico_P | maybe make me a patch of all your changes... I'll sort out and test the rest |
| 11:14:57 | harry | Hey, I really don't know much about rockbox's source code, so could someone point me to the folder containing the main menu gui? |
| 11:15:23 | pixelma | markun_: I somehow thought that the viewer only loads the complete file at once, didn't know that it is able to load parts as needed... |
| 11:15:54 | aliask | Nico_P: I think most of my changes are half baked debug stuff. I haven't done any solid work since last commit really |
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| 11:16:26 | markun_ | harry: apps/menus/main_menu.c I think |
| 11:16:38 | harry | ok, thanks |
| 11:17:06 | harry | yeah, that's it |
| 11:18:08 | harry | wow, I never expected that much code for a simple menu... |
| 11:18:52 | jmspeex | preglow: how much testing did you do on the memmove patch? |
| 11:19:06 | jmspeex | (just checking, I haven't seen anything wrong with it) |
| 11:22:05 | pixelma | Zagor: looking at the deltas of your two commits... could it be that the previous usb stack was only enabled on H10s? Just a thought looking at the differences even though it doesn't make much sense... |
| 11:22:52 | Zagor | pixelma: "previous" == yesterdays commit? |
| 11:23:02 | Zagor | or christians linux stack? |
| 11:23:55 | pixelma | austriancoder's - I mean the difference between H10s and Sansas yesterday |
| 11:24:29 | pixelma | which is about the negative delta for the Ipods yesterday |
| 11:24:43 | Zagor | no, his stack was not enabled on any target |
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| 11:25:27 | Zagor | the green ipod deltas are due to removed settings code |
| 11:26:14 | aliask | Nico_P: http://58.109.97.210:70/temp/debugf.patch |
| 11:26:33 | Zagor | the delta differences are indeed strange. mini1g got ~400 bytes larger than mini2g ?? |
| 11:26:46 | aliask | Nico_P: Though when I was testing I realised that the ATA code works fine on my device |
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| 11:27:35 | pixelma | Zagor: well, I meant the things causing the green delta - if they were there before on H10 but not on Sansa that could explain yesterday's difference, no? |
| 11:28:12 | Zagor | it could, but usbstack was not enabled on h10 before that commit. |
| 11:28:16 | pixelma | or maybe it's something else... as I said: just a stupid idea |
| 11:31:16 | Nico_P | aliask: this time it worked... :) up to displaying "congratulations" |
| 11:31:44 | Nico_P | the only diff is your patch and a few added printfs |
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| 11:32:21 | harry | markun_: main_menu.c doesn't have anything about "Resume Playback" or "Playlists" |
| 11:32:52 | harry | neather does menu.c, or root_menu.c |
| 11:33:01 | aliask | Nico_P: Maybe timing is critical? |
| 11:33:12 | Nico_P | looks like it... |
| 11:33:28 | Nico_P | "Testing, testing, 123" wasn't printed though |
| 11:33:48 | aliask | Did you get the partition info? |
| 11:33:53 | amiconn | Zagor: That 'Hold right to enter USB mode' only applies to H10 MTP firmwares |
| 11:34:17 | amiconn | But it is the reason why H10 USB operation is reversed to all other targets |
| 11:34:21 | Nico_P | aliask: yes |
| 11:34:46 | amiconn | I would *hate* that behaviour on all other targets though |
| 11:34:56 | amiconn | If I connect USB, I mean entering USB mode |
| 11:34:58 | markun_ | harry: no idea. You could use 'grep' so search through all the files. |
| 11:35:07 | amiconn | Otherwise I would use a (usb) charger |
| 11:35:25 | aliask | Nico_P: Should have been printed Just above "Found master harddisk" (it did for me anyway) |
| 11:35:30 | Nico_P | harry: JdGordon is the one you'd want to speak to |
| 11:35:46 | Nico_P | aliask: yep, I got that |
| 11:36:32 | harry | JdGordon isn't on the channel |
| 11:37:38 | harry | I only want to make a button to turn off rockbox on the main menu |
| 11:37:42 | Nico_P | harry: I thinkt the menu you want is actually the "root menu" (an old name), apps/root_menu.c |
| 11:37:49 | Llorean | amiconn: When traveling especially, it's easier to just pack a few USB cords and charge of a laptop that you're going to have in-use anyway than several USB chargers that also require you to find multiple plugs in the hotel room |
| 11:37:57 | harry | I checked root_menu.c |
| 11:37:58 | Llorean | Or one small powered USB hub, for that matter |
| 11:38:04 | Nico_P | harry: and I think there might be a patch in the tracker for that |
| 11:38:13 | harry | hmm |
| 11:38:33 | Llorean | I think, as an option at least, being able to set whether to connect or charge is okay. |
| 11:39:14 | Nico_P | harry: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6733 |
| 11:39:33 | pixelma | Llorean: he's talking about the default, I don't think that a setting is needed if you know which button to hold to change that behaviour |
| 11:40:48 | pixelma | and I used it quite a bit on my Ondio. Of course you can't make it charge but use USB power if you hold "Mode" while connecting |
| 11:41:33 | amiconn | Llorean: Then you still have the option to hold the button... |
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| 11:42:15 | Llorean | amiconn: Yes, but if I'm someone who never changes his songs because I have a large HD player, I'd rather not have to press a button every time I'm charging the device with it on. |
| 11:42:33 | Llorean | I think an option to reverse behaviour, so that holding a button causes USB mode, and not holding a button results in simply charging (on targets with USB charging) isn't a bad idea. As long as the default setting for this option is "Connect on insert, Charge on button hold" |
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| 11:43:05 | Llorean | But I think I may have missed something. Maybe I'm talking about something else? |
| 11:43:34 | harry | Nico_P: thanks |
| 11:44:38 | Llorean | amiconn: It becomes especially frustrating in the car, with players where charger-detection isn't possible (Gigabeat for example) |
| 11:44:46 | Llorean | I use a dedicated power charger, but end up in disk mode. |
| 11:45:09 | Llorean | Or I guess "charger differentiation" |
| 11:48:12 | jmspeex | preglow: you didn't actually test your patch, did you? |
| 11:48:26 | jmspeex | (or else you would have noticed something wrong with memset) |
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| 11:50:19 | amiconn | Llorean: Why is that not possible? It should... |
| 11:51:04 | Llorean | amiconn: The Gigabeat should be able to tell the difference between a USB charger, a powered USB hub, and an actual PC? |
| 11:51:21 | Llorean | AFAIK only portalplayer targets do this. |
| 11:51:36 | Llorean | And they're only charger / non charger. Powered hubs are, of course, treated as a PC. |
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| 12:00:09 | harry | What is the input of MAKE_MENU()? |
| 12:00:39 | harry | it has 6 arguments |
| 12:01:03 | harry | Could anyone tell me what they are? |
| 12:01:18 | Nico_P | harry: these macros are defined in apps/menu.h |
| 12:01:35 | petur | voodoo (macro) magic :/ |
| 12:01:42 | harry | ok, I'll try to figure it out... |
| 12:02:30 | GodEater | harry: there's a page in the wiki |
| 12:03:12 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingTheMenuAPI |
| 12:03:20 | harry | aww, now I have to find it. The wiki is seriously a maze. I can never find my way back to things I looked at two days ago |
| 12:03:26 | harry | thanks :D |
| 12:04:02 | * | GodEater wonders what's wrong with the search feature... |
| 12:04:58 | LinusN | GodEater: nevertheless, the wiki *is* a bit messy |
| 12:05:09 | pondlife | The search always finds too much info... |
| 12:05:16 | Nico_P | yeah, it does take some getting used to |
| 12:05:16 | GodEater | true, but few people volunteer to clean it up =/ |
| 12:05:43 | pixelma | GodEater: it's a bit misleading... there is the "go" box and the "search" buttons in the left hand side menus (even though they don't belong to the wiki but they are there)... |
| 12:05:44 | GodEater | MAKE_MENU returns only two hits |
| 12:05:54 | GodEater | yes - the Go box should just be removed imo |
| 12:05:57 | pondlife | Once themes have been sorted, we could start a new wiki and only move relevant stuff over? |
| 12:06:07 | harry | why are there two search boxes by the way? |
| 12:06:18 | Llorean | pondlife: It's going to be hard to find all the relevant stuff, though |
| 12:06:28 | GodEater | harry: the search on the left is for Flyspray |
| 12:06:34 | harry | :/ |
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| 12:06:41 | LinusN | GodEater: and for the entire site |
| 12:06:43 | pondlife | Llorean: The problem, exactly |
| 12:06:48 | pixelma | harry: one to search flyspray tasks and one to search the site |
| 12:06:54 | LinusN | and then there is the Wiki search as well |
| 12:06:54 | GodEater | LinusN: I stand corrected then! |
| 12:07:17 | pixelma | LinusN: yes, that's what I meant |
| 12:07:21 | Llorean | pondlife: Assuming someone does want to create a new wiki though, the first step is to outline a hierarchy so that the pages can be placed in a consistent way (and new pages can have a location be consistently determined) |
| 12:07:24 | petur | adding a wiki search should be simple, just issue a google command with the correct site: string |
| 12:07:25 | LinusN | the wiki search is what i use the most |
| 12:07:37 | pondlife | Llorean: Absolutely |
| 12:07:46 | Llorean | That's what the current one is really missing, a hierarchy |
| 12:07:47 | LinusN | what's wrong with the current wiki search? |
| 12:07:54 | Llorean | It's mostly "flat", a big ugly spiderweb. |
| 12:08:10 | pixelma | petur: another button in addition to the link at the top? |
| 12:08:14 | linuxstb | Zagor: Do I understand correctly that your last commit means ipods still won't reboot into disk mode, just request power for charging? |
| 12:08:33 | harry | Wikimedia maybe? Easy to administer |
| 12:08:35 | pondlife | I suspect it contains a lot of outdated info, and quite a bit of duplication...just a feeling though. |
| 12:08:45 | Llorean | LinusN: The current wiki search requires you not accidentally using the "Go" button. I think that's really the only significant problem with it |
| 12:08:57 | GodEater | harry: you mean mediaWiki - Wikimedia is the company ;) |
| 12:08:58 | LinusN | Llorean: i see |
| 12:09:05 | harry | oops |
| 12:09:22 | pixelma | yeah, happens to me too sometimes even though I know it? |
| 12:09:23 | Llorean | LinusN: A lot of people seem to type a search term into it, get "page not found" and think that means the search couldn't find anything. |
| 12:09:28 | pixelma | s/?// |
| 12:09:28 | GodEater | mediaWiki's syntax is a bit ott though if you ask me |
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| 12:09:41 | pondlife | Hmm, maybe we should set up a company named BoxRock... :) |
| 12:10:20 | harry | yep |
| 12:10:23 | LinusN | looks like it is time for the annual wiki user cleanup |
| 12:10:28 | Llorean | pondlife: Another problem with a wiki, just in general, is if the "last modified" date on a page is old enough, people instantly assume it's probably wrong or outdated. |
| 12:10:43 | Llorean | I wonder if TWiki has a page showing which pages have gone the longest without edits. |
| 12:10:50 | preglow | jmspeex: i tested with both encoding and decoding |
| 12:11:10 | GodEater | I do like mediaWiki's discussion page idea though |
| 12:11:14 | harry | It's true that TWiki needs cleening up |
| 12:11:21 | pondlife | A WHD (wiki hierarchy dictator) is needed... any volunteers? |
| 12:11:25 | preglow | jmspeex: not this particular revision of it, no, but the even older one doing memcpy and memset on everything, so i thought this newer one would be goo |
| 12:11:28 | jmspeex | preglow: look at SPEEX_MEMSET and tell me if you see something wrong with it |
| 12:11:28 | preglow | d |
| 12:11:49 | * | GodEater nominates pondlife |
| 12:12:04 | harry | haha |
| 12:12:04 | pondlife | I'd love to, but it'll never get to the top of my job stack |
| 12:12:18 | preglow | jmspeex: would probably be the fact that it's a memcpy |
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| 12:12:53 | harry | pondlife: did you make that WHD thing up? |
| 12:13:05 | pondlife | I think so. |
| 12:13:32 | harry | Indeed. |
| 12:13:34 | Llorean | pondlife: I'm not sure how the Category tags work in TWiki, but it seems that the hierarchy would almost certainly depend on using them liberally on every page. |
| 12:13:56 | pixelma | the MarcGuay guy started with organising the wiki a bit recently |
| 12:14:10 | pondlife | Yes, he seems a useful chap. |
| 12:14:30 | LinusN | Llorean: there is a "topic parent" concept in twiki |
| 12:14:43 | LinusN | i love Marc Guay! :-) |
| 12:14:49 | pondlife | Maybe ask him to produce a diagram of the perfect Rockbox wiki... |
| 12:15:03 | Llorean | LinusN: To an extent it even seems to be used. |
| 12:15:10 | LinusN | oh yes |
| 12:15:23 | jmspeex | preglow: seems to produce the same results now |
| 12:15:31 | pondlife | Is there a way to see a graphic representation of our current wiki tree? |
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| 12:15:38 | * | Nico_P added parents to a fair number of pages |
| 12:15:50 | Llorean | LinusN: The problem is that the parent of a large percentage of pages seems to either be Main or DocsIndex |
| 12:15:52 | LinusN | there is a nice plugin for twiki that presents a hierarchical topic index, it's on my todo liss |
| 12:15:53 | LinusN | list |
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| 12:17:13 | harry | The wiki homepage is really the main thing that needs changing |
| 12:17:43 | LinusN | harry: remember that the documentation index is *the* entry port for documentation |
| 12:18:01 | LinusN | the wiki index is more or less an accident |
| 12:18:09 | harry | remember something I never knew? :/ |
| 12:18:16 | Llorean | Honestly, I think the wiki index "WebHome" is actually a better page. |
| 12:18:18 | harry | haha |
| 12:18:40 | LinusN | Llorean: better for what and for whom? |
| 12:18:58 | Llorean | Better for not getting lost. |
| 12:19:12 | Llorean | The DocsIndex is a list of about four million links. |
| 12:19:17 | Llorean | Tons, and tons, and tons of blue text |
| 12:19:21 | LinusN | yes, but they are links |
| 12:19:26 | pondlife | I only ever use the search as the hierarchy is so bad... |
| 12:19:31 | Llorean | In, honestly, fairly loose categories. |
| 12:19:43 | Llorean | "Customizing Rockbox" for example, is a pretty vague one |
| 12:19:47 | harry | could some smart patient person with alot of time make a flowchart of the rockbox site? |
| 12:19:58 | harry | that way it would be easier to critisize |
| 12:20:11 | LinusN | a site map? |
| 12:20:17 | harry | only pretty |
| 12:20:17 | Llorean | And covers HD mods, Fonts, and WPSes, and even flashing an Archos |
| 12:20:19 | pondlife | I'd like to see a diagram of what we have, then I'll get organising it. |
| 12:20:28 | Soap_ | a proper wiki can only be represented in >2 dimensions. A flowchart would hurt. |
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| 12:20:34 | Soap_ | (hurt your eyeballs) |
| 12:20:34 | harry | that's what I'm talking about |
| 12:20:51 | Llorean | LinusN: What I like about the WebHome is that *every* link has a description. |
| 12:20:59 | pondlife | A tree should be possible, no? |
| 12:21:14 | GodEater | pondlife: no |
| 12:21:18 | harry | isn't the whole site a kind of wiki? |
| 12:21:30 | pondlife | GodEater: Why not? |
| 12:21:33 | Llorean | LinusN: The DocsIndex has a lot of links where the only description is the link name, and the ToC at the top of it is just not that helpful to someone who doesn't already have a clue. |
| 12:21:35 | LinusN | harry: most of the documentation is |
| 12:21:42 | GodEater | pondlife: because it's not hierarchical necessarily |
| 12:21:52 | pondlife | I mean , it might not make the most use of a wiki, but I'd find it easier to find info that way. |
| 12:22:07 | harry | so why have a seperate menu entry for wiki and manual and index? |
| 12:22:09 | GodEater | pondlife: oh you mean make it INTO a tree, not display what we currently HAVE as a tree ? |
| 12:22:24 | pondlife | Yes. Allowing links to go wherever, of course. |
| 12:22:26 | Llorean | harry: Because Manual most certainly is NOT wiki. |
| 12:22:42 | Soap_ | harry: Rockbox.org has a very consistant look and feel, but the manual download page ... Llorean beat me |
| 12:22:43 | pondlife | Isn't there some old manual within the wiki? |
| 12:22:46 | Llorean | harry: And the wiki index is not the same as the documentation index. |
| 12:23:11 | harry | okokok |
| 12:23:58 | harry | It wouldn't be hard to make the manual look like part of rockbox... |
| 12:24:04 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualFileBrowser etc... |
| 12:24:12 | LinusN | pondlife: kill kill kill |
| 12:24:18 | pondlife | I don't have the power |
| 12:24:24 | LinusN | oh |
| 12:24:26 | Llorean | pondlife: Oh, that also reminds me: Another goal should be consistent page naming |
| 12:24:35 | pondlife | Access Denied |
| 12:24:36 | harry | ? |
| 12:24:45 | harry | Who does have the power? |
| 12:24:48 | LinusN | i do |
| 12:24:58 | pondlife | BjornStenberg, DanielStenberg, LinusNielsenFeltzing |
| 12:25:12 | jmspeex | preglow: the rest seems fine so far (same results), except for the "tmp" variable name I didn't quite like (in nb_celp.c) |
| 12:25:21 | pondlife | LinusN: There are plenty of manual pages... |
| 12:25:22 | Llorean | For example, IpodPort and IriverPort are very different sorts of pages. |
| 12:25:29 | preglow | jmspeex: ah, forgot about that one, actually, and no, i don't like the name either |
| 12:25:40 | preglow | jmspeex: i was planning on giving it a better name, if that is any comfort :) |
| 12:26:01 | LinusN | also, we need to agree on some fundamental things in the wiki |
| 12:26:07 | pondlife | A hierarchy could have a Devices node, with all the porting status, hardware info etc. under there. |
| 12:26:12 | jmspeex | preglow: you didn't test non-codec components, right? |
| 12:26:16 | pondlife | And nowhere else! |
| 12:26:32 | LinusN | for example, do we keep stale/old information for hostorical reasons, or should we delete it? |
| 12:26:38 | preglow | jmspeex: if it isn't used in speexenc/dec build with agc, it's not been testerd |
| 12:26:39 | LinusN | historical |
| 12:26:41 | pondlife | Delete |
| 12:26:49 | Llorean | pondlife: Hardware->Targets, Hardware->Components, ? |
| 12:27:00 | pondlife | Yep |
| 12:27:02 | LinusN | many of the XxxPort pages contain old stuff |
| 12:27:12 | Llorean | pondlife: So that the PP5022 can be indexed both beneath the devices that have it, and beneath the "Hardware we have drivers for or know things about" index. |
| 12:27:12 | pondlife | Components might be in multiple targets... |
| 12:27:23 | Llorean | Or PP5020 I suppose is a better example |
| 12:27:23 | LinusN | the IriverPort page being the worst |
| 12:27:34 | pondlife | I'd just put it under Components, and link from the relevant Target pages |
| 12:27:45 | Llorean | LinusN: Delete the information, maintaining the usual wiki history perhaps? |
| 12:28:03 | Llorean | pondlife: That's more or less what I meant. "Under it" by way of cross-linking, not repeating the information |
| 12:28:07 | pondlife | Yes |
| 12:28:17 | pondlife | Cross-links, not hierarchy |
| 12:28:57 | LinusN | i'll install the hierarchy view plugin as soon as i can |
| 12:29:06 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualHowTo and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualHowto - spot the difference! |
| 12:29:07 | harry | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/ isn't the site's source is it? Please say no |
| 12:29:21 | GodEater | why ? |
| 12:29:33 | harry | is it? |
| 12:29:34 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualHowTo is a dog's dinner of a page |
| 12:29:52 | preglow | mmm... dinner... |
| 12:29:56 | pondlife | Hmm, dog. |
| 12:30:09 | GodEater | you don't think it's a good idea to keep the source to our site in a source control repository ? |
| 12:30:16 | harry | pondlife: wow, I thought that was a joke |
| 12:30:20 | Llorean | pondlife: At least the ToC is actually useful for navigating the page, though |
| 12:30:25 | pixelma | wow, "nice" catch pondlife. I only knew of the Howto one and it told me what I needed to know... |
| 12:30:50 | pondlife | There are tens of similar examples... :/ |
| 12:31:09 | pondlife | Do a wiki search for Manual |
| 12:31:21 | pixelma | and and the HowTo is entirely different from what I expected... |
| 12:31:38 | pondlife | Yes, it's a real mix up of how to use Rockboy and other useful stuff |
| 12:31:40 | Llorean | It's basically a FAQ, apparently designed by an H300 user. |
| 12:32:00 | pondlife | It's gotta go! |
| 12:32:45 | pondlife | These things spring up when it becomes even slightly hard to find the info in the wiki. |
| 12:33:16 | harry | do people actually USE archos recorders? |
| 12:33:20 | Llorean | Yes |
| 12:33:21 | preglow | sure |
| 12:33:21 | pondlife | Yes |
| 12:33:31 | pondlife | It's one of the best targets |
| 12:33:39 | pixelma | it doesn't have to do with _the_ manual at all, but maybe at the time it was written, the manual wasn't as available as it is now |
| 12:33:40 | pondlife | Well, the V1 recorder is |
| 12:33:41 | harry | really?? |
| 12:33:42 | Llorean | pondlife: There needs to be a category for "Descriptions of things nobody has implemented yet" too. For like, documentation of Viewports. |
| 12:33:43 | harry | wow |
| 12:33:53 | Llorean | harry: Best assuming you're using MP3 audio. |
| 12:33:59 | harry | :P |
| 12:34:06 | harry | ipod video |
| 12:34:06 | Llorean | Just to clarify |
| 12:34:09 | LinusN | and have big pockets :-) |
| 12:34:12 | Llorean | Bah |
| 12:34:13 | pixelma | harry: I like using my Ondio even though I have different Rockbox targets now too |
| 12:34:21 | Llorean | I have giant, enormous, huge pockets. And good, sturdy belts. |
| 12:34:40 | pondlife | harry: Upgradable to 137GB hard disk, hardware decode (so fast UI), standard AA batteries |
| 12:34:51 | pondlife | The ideal in-car solution! |
| 12:34:52 | Llorean | pondlife: Rechargeable AAs only, right? |
| 12:34:58 | pondlife | I think so |
| 12:35:04 | harry | yeah... ipods cost $100 for a new battery |
| 12:35:08 | * | Llorean seems to remember significant warnings about not using standard ones. |
| 12:35:10 | Llorean | harry: No, they don't |
| 12:35:14 | pondlife | Well, I guess it might run on standard ones, but you wouldn't want to charge it! |
| 12:35:14 | harry | and rockbox backgrounds dont help |
| 12:35:21 | harry | as if they don't |
| 12:35:27 | Llorean | pondlife: My understanding is the extra voltage is a bad idea. |
| 12:35:31 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 12:35:33 | harry | my friend rang them yesterday |
| 12:35:39 | harry | btw, aus $ |
| 12:35:56 | pondlife | I only use NiMH's anyway |
| 12:36:23 | Llorean | harry: That's still 80-something USD. I see iPod batteries for the $30 range or so |
| 12:36:40 | Soap_ | with tools and instructional DVD |
| 12:36:42 | Llorean | Though availability might be the issue, and I'm not talking first-party. |
| 12:36:47 | harry | maybe, but postage and handling stuff |
| 12:36:49 | safetydan | preglow, would it make sense to give the software tone controls configurable cutoffs? |
| 12:36:55 | pixelma | pondlife: you have an Archos recorder now (again)? |
| 12:37:00 | pondlife | No, sadly. |
| 12:37:06 | pondlife | I wish I never sold it.. |
| 12:37:07 | preglow | safetydan: i guess so, but not true big range setting ones |
| 12:37:20 | pondlife | I do have an H380 though :) |
| 12:37:30 | Llorean | preglow: Similar to the cutoffs for certain HW targets? Just a few settings with names like "High, Mid, Low"? |
| 12:37:35 | preglow | Llorean: yeah |
| 12:38:00 | safetydan | Llorean, that's pretty much what I was thinking. But I should probably make the ipod video hw one work right first. |
| 12:38:03 | harry | do the backgrounds in rockbox render alot? because I think they use alot of bettery |
| 12:38:10 | harry | *batery |
| 12:38:17 | pondlife | ... |
| 12:38:18 | Llorean | safetydan: I'm sure there are some people who'd like that. :) |
| 12:38:33 | Soap_ | harry: Why do you think they use a lot of battery? |
| 12:38:34 | pondlife | harry: I don't think it makes much difference to battery life. |
| 12:38:50 | Llorean | harry: You could always do a runtime test with and without a backdrop, but it shouldn't be a very significant difference |
| 12:38:54 | harry | I mean background images |
| 12:38:57 | preglow | safetydan: yeah, do that |
| 12:38:59 | * | safetydan is too easily distracted... ooo! shiny thing! |
| 12:39:00 | LinusN | i'd be surprised if the bg rendering would give a measurable difference in battery life |
| 12:40:28 | pondlife | I strongly suspect that MoB has increased my battery life a little... need to compare with an old build to be sure though. |
| 12:42:01 | harry | how do I do a runtime test? |
| 12:42:28 | pondlife | Fully charge your battery, then start it playing a long playlist with repeat all enabled. |
| 12:42:28 | harry | WOAH I WIN |
| 12:42:41 | harry | i had full battery this morning |
| 12:42:49 | harry | and i turned it on then and its dead |
| 12:43:18 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BatteryRuntime |
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| 12:44:40 | jmspeex | preglow: can you test whether write_whole_bytes() still works if you remove the memset? |
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| 12:45:32 | harry | that bettery test will take ages |
| 12:45:42 | pondlife | Hopefully, yes |
| 12:49:30 | harry | who makes the games? |
| 12:49:38 | harry | I guess I can look myself |
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| 12:50:30 | preglow | jmspeex: already did yesterday, and yes, the speex encoder i have that uses that still works if i remove it |
| 12:50:37 | preglow | jmspeex: tried on a very long clip too |
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| 12:51:13 | jmspeex | preglow: good. I'll remove it then |
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| 12:53:12 | preglow | jmspeex: and i assume i'd be able to notice really quickly if it didn't work correctly anymore |
| 12:53:48 | jmspeex | preglow: yes |
| 12:54:05 | harry | can I see the original chopper? |
| 12:54:13 | harry | is it in an archive or something? |
| 12:55:06 | Nico_P | harry: the chopper game? |
| 12:55:13 | harry | yes |
| 12:55:21 | Nico_P | apps/plugins/chopper.c |
| 12:55:35 | harry | yes.... I can't find the original |
| 12:55:47 | Nico_P | what original? |
| 12:56:09 | harry | I just want to know who wrote it |
| 12:56:21 | harry | The orginal will tell me |
| 12:56:42 | harry | Joshua Oreman |
| 12:56:44 | harry | there we go |
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| 13:00:48 | Isolinear | So I just updated to r15772 on my iPod 5G to test the USB stack... |
| 13:00:58 | Isolinear | Now Windows is asking for drivers...? |
| 13:01:09 | * | Nico_P is wading through the S code and the iMX31 doc... interesting |
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| 13:04:24 | LinusN | Isolinear: that is because the USB stack isn't finished |
| 13:05:32 | Isolinear | Then why was it enabled, out of curiosity? |
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| 13:07:01 | LinusN | Isolinear: to enable charging |
| 13:07:09 | Zagor | Isolinear: the old auto-boot functionality will be added soonish. I'm just committing incrementally. |
| 13:07:29 | Isolinear | Gotcha. :) |
| 13:08:54 | Zagor | the windows asks for driver issue is because the charging-only mode is implemented using a dummy usb interface with vendor specific class. hence windows doesn't know what to do with it. |
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| 13:10:09 | Isolinear | So it just charges... |
| 13:10:19 | Zagor | yes |
| 13:10:36 | Isolinear | Is there a way to charge via a computer USB connection while still having access to the menus and such? |
| 13:11:07 | Zagor | not currently, but I'd like to fix that |
| 13:11:42 | Isolinear | Such as the old "hold the menu butting while inserting the cable" workaround or something.. :) |
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| 13:12:18 | Llorean | Isolinear: I wouldn't call that a workaround... |
| 13:13:52 | jmspeex | preglow: patch applied |
| 13:15:42 | preglow | jmspeex: nice |
| 13:16:20 | preglow | jmspeex: you didn't decide to use _MOVE everywhere? |
| 13:16:37 | jmspeex | preglow: no, I think COPY is safe |
| 13:16:42 | preglow | okies |
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| 13:31:14 | Zagor | can those of you with ipods please check which port pin tells when USB is connected? video uses GPIO_L bit 4. |
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| 13:32:03 | Zagor | (use system->debug->view i/o ports) |
| 13:32:10 | preglow | Zagor: same on nano |
| 13:33:08 | Zagor | thanks |
| 13:38:01 | amiconn | On earlier pods it's different... just check the code you removed |
| 13:40:51 | Zagor | it doesn't contain that |
| 13:41:19 | Zagor | that's why I'm asking |
| 13:41:22 | amiconn | eh? |
| 13:41:29 | amiconn | But it worked before... |
| 13:41:43 | Zagor | yes, because we asked the usb controller if the bus had power. |
| 13:41:43 | jmspeex | preglow: let me know if I broke anything in the commit |
| 13:41:58 | Zagor | this requires us to have the usb controller active at all times |
| 13:42:15 | Zagor | using a port pin allows us to disable the usb controller when not in use |
| 13:42:55 | amiconn | Hmm, the pin was used before linuxstb added the usb<->charger detection using the controller |
| 13:43:11 | Zagor | ok, i'll look at older revisions then |
| 13:43:15 | amiconn | The pin only tells whether usb is connected, not wheter it's a port or just a charger |
| 13:43:23 | Zagor | I know |
| 13:46:39 | Zagor | no, already r11823 from dec 2006 uses the controller power detect rather than port pins |
| 13:49:07 | Zagor | nobody here with a mini, colour or 4g? |
| 13:50:55 | Zagor | can ipods with firewire charge from it? |
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| 13:53:41 | amiconn | Zagor: Yes. All iPods can charge from firewire, even the newest ones which don't support firewire for data |
| 13:54:07 | amiconn | And for firewire there are 2 pins to distinguish fw power <-> fw data connection |
| 13:54:10 | Zagor | are there firewire versions of the video? |
| 13:54:14 | amiconn | (Nano and Video only have one) |
| 13:54:39 | Soap_ | hmm, will much battery life be saved by not having the USB controller running full time? |
| 13:54:45 | amiconn | Zagor: I don't understand? |
| 13:54:56 | Zagor | Soap_: I don't know |
| 13:55:07 | Soap_ | Runtime tests it is! |
| 13:55:26 | Zagor | amiconn: I thought the video didn't have firewire since the fw check code is only compiled for color, 4g and mini |
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| 13:58:54 | Soap_ | Zagor: just to verify: your most recent commit (r15772) not only enables the stack - but also is the revision which keeps the usb controlled disabled until need is detected? |
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| 14:00:00 | Soap_ | or was it r15761 "Red fix: USB power check implemented in driver instead" |
| 14:00:50 | Zagor | Soap_: no I haven't added usb controller disable yet. |
| 14:01:00 | Soap_ | ahh |
| 14:01:19 | Zagor | I need to know the port pins first (and run som tests) |
| 14:01:37 | * | Llorean wonders why the FM Radio controls don't use the platform files for the manual. =/ |
| 14:01:45 | * | Soap_ should have been a good boy and back-read more of the log. |
| 14:02:44 | Zagor | "iPod Video abandons FireWire completely" that explains it |
| 14:03:28 | Zagor | amiconn: do you know which fw detects bit are which? I assume GPIOC_INPUT_VAL & 0x02 is data and not power? |
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| 14:10:36 | amiconn | iPod video does charge from firewire |
| 14:14:28 | Zagor | in rockbox? |
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| 14:20:26 | Zagor | aha, charging over fw is transparent and I don't need to care. |
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| 14:42:37 | pixelma | * Llorean wonders why the FM Radio controls don't use the platform files for the manual. =/ <- because the radio chapter needs a lot of work, I once started that but was really not satisfied with the order I put things and gave up somehow :\ |
| 14:44:26 | Llorean | Aaah. I missed it entirely because I assumed the keys were all in the platform file. At least the e200 keys are now all updated for it, I think. |
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| 15:11:48 | Zagor | any ipod + windows users around? |
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| 15:15:19 | Zagor | sansa/h10 + windows users can help too |
| 15:16:05 | agm3nt | Zagor:here |
| 15:16:07 | tuplanolla | I have sansa e280 |
| 15:16:13 | tuplanolla | and Windows |
| 15:16:21 | agm3nt | Zagor:i have c200 |
| 15:16:31 | Zagor | can you try a custom build for me? |
| 15:16:45 | Zagor | and see how windows reacts to the usb connection |
| 15:16:51 | agm3nt | Zagor:sure |
| 15:16:55 | tuplanolla | me too |
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| 15:17:19 | Zagor | excellent. i'll do the c200 build since that's what I'm already building |
| 15:19:13 | Zagor | agm3nt: http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox.mi4 |
| 15:19:27 | Zagor | hold down SELECT while you plug in usb (otherwise it'll reboot) |
| 15:20:06 | Zagor | what I want to know is: does it ask for a driver? |
| 15:20:33 | Zagor | meh, bad version. please wait for a new version... |
| 15:21:20 | Zagor | grab it now |
| 15:23:03 | amiconn | Zagor: I can check the necessary GPIO on mini G2 tonight |
| 15:23:22 | Zagor | amiconn: great, thanks |
| 15:23:24 | amiconn | I guess that 4th Gen gray/color and the minis use the same pin |
| 15:23:35 | Zagor | I think so too |
| 15:23:47 | Zagor | in fact I'm about to commit code that assumes so :) |
| 15:23:55 | amiconn | nano/video are a bit more different for most things |
| 15:24:14 | Zagor | ah you mean like that. ok, we'll see. |
| 15:25:09 | agm3nt | Zagor:reboot and plug with SELECT work for me |
| 15:25:27 | Zagor | agm3nt: did windows ask for a driver? |
| 15:26:56 | agm3nt | Zagor: no its reboot |
| 15:27:04 | Zagor | when you hold select? |
| 15:27:16 | agm3nt | Zagor: no |
| 15:27:28 | Zagor | does it ask for a driver then? |
| 15:28:47 | agm3nt | Zagor: i have windows 200 and its only charging when its reboot to OF |
| 15:29:40 | agm3nt | Zagor: with select not ask for driver |
| 15:29:45 | pixelma | Zagor: there is a new thread in the forums about that just popped up now |
| 15:30:39 | Zagor | pixelma: yeah I expect it will cause some confusion. hence I'm trying to get rid of the message. |
| 15:31:01 | pixelma | should I try too (on XP)? Is the build linked an svn build or does it contain some more changes? |
| 15:31:14 | Zagor | it contains more changes (auto-reboot) |
| 15:32:06 | pixelma | hmm.., which one should I try then? |
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| 15:32:30 | Zagor | pixelma: bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox.mi4 |
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| 15:32:33 | Zagor | for c200 |
| 15:32:40 | pixelma | ok |
| 15:32:45 | GodEater | Zagor: ipod video ? |
| 15:33:07 | Zagor | GodEater: bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox.ipod |
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| 15:36:06 | Zagor | btw does anyone have an usb charger? |
| 15:36:27 | Zagor | those builds are supposed to detect chargers |
| 15:37:35 | GodEater | I have one at home |
| 15:37:37 | GodEater | but not handy |
| 15:37:54 | * | pixelma waits for "database refresh" :| |
| 15:38:23 | GodEater | Zagor: it prompted for drivers |
| 15:38:36 | XavierGr | LinusN: Any news about #8178? I am itching to try it myself but I know that I might regret it ;) |
| 15:38:45 | tuplanolla | Zagor: anything for e280? |
| 15:39:04 | Zagor | tuplanolla: I will commit it soon |
| 15:39:10 | tuplanolla | ok |
| 15:39:18 | Zagor | GodEater: ok, which windows version? |
| 15:39:25 | GodEater | Windows XP Pro SP1 |
| 15:39:57 | XavierGr | A nice UI bug with database: Play music then browse the main menu and select to initialize the database, it will start counting tracks and then the only option you have is to go back to WPS. If you press the button to leave the WPS while playing music you end up in the database splash |
| 15:40:09 | GodEater | and the ipod has hung too - backlight responds, but everything is locked solid |
| 15:40:16 | Zagor | GodEater: ok it seems xp asks for drivers and win2k doesn't |
| 15:41:25 | GodEater | I don't have a win2k machine to test with I'm afraid |
| 15:42:06 | pixelma | oi, yes. Rockbox changes to its USB screen and then I'm asked for new drivers (and I'm just at a normal user account atm)... |
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| 15:43:36 | pixelma | and if I disconnect USB it also hangs in that screen (backlight stays on) - that was without holding select |
| 15:44:06 | pixelma | WinXP pro SP2 |
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| 15:45:20 | agm3nt | pixelma: i test it on xp and have the same results |
| 15:46:03 | GodEater | Zagor: is this stack going to run on the Gigabeat as well ? Or really really portalplayer only ? |
| 15:46:03 | Zagor | pixelma, agm3nt: binary updated, please try again |
| 15:46:22 | pixelma | at least holding select seems to get it into charging mode (statusbar shows the USB plug and the battery is animated) |
| 15:46:59 | Zagor | GodEater: currently only portalplayer 502x |
| 15:47:05 | GodEater | 'k |
| 15:47:42 | markun | GodEater, Zagor: I don't really know how we could use it on the Gigabeat anyway. |
| 15:48:04 | GodEater | markun: I think I'm getting my processors muddled |
| 15:48:14 | markun | The ATA bridge and the USB 1.1 device are both connected to the USB hub |
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| 15:48:27 | GodEater | the gigabeat S is the one with the we could use it on I believe ? |
| 15:48:31 | markun | in the OF you have a setting which of the 2 should be used |
| 15:48:37 | markun | GodEater: yes |
| 15:48:42 | GodEater | yeah - I got confusd |
| 15:51:02 | agm3nt | Zagor: with select it ask for driver |
| 15:51:09 | pixelma | Zagor: ok, now it reboots to OF, I'm still asked for new drivers but I can skip that step and it continues as normal |
| 15:51:35 | Zagor | pixelma: nice. can you tell if it is charging if you hold select? |
| 15:53:29 | pixelma | same there, it seems to go into charging mode but I'm again asked for a new driver |
| 15:55:27 | Zagor | yeah we'll have to live with the driver question for now it seems |
| 15:55:40 | pixelma | so it does what it supposed to do but confuses XP a bit |
| 15:55:49 | pixelma | +is |
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| 15:56:52 | amiconn | GodEater: You still run SP1?? |
| 15:57:11 | GodEater | amiconn: *I* don't run windows at all |
| 15:57:14 | GodEater | this is a work PC |
| 15:57:23 | GodEater | and SP2 hasn't been signed off here yet |
| 15:57:42 | GodEater | there are a number of issues with DCOM and SMS integration |
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| 15:59:36 | Zagor | ok i'll commit this then |
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| 16:01:39 | pixelma | with a small warning about the driver question in the commit message? =) |
| 16:02:43 | GodEater | and an accompanying "Project News" Entry on the front page too |
| 16:02:54 | Zagor | ah, that was a good idea. but I didn't read it before pressing "enter" :-) |
| 16:03:11 | GodEater | about time you implement that svn hook for updating commit messages then ;) |
| 16:03:16 | Zagor | hehe |
| 16:03:36 | pixelma | then GodEater's idea is still a good possibility ;) |
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| 16:05:06 | Zagor | yeah, doing that now |
| 16:06:02 | * | GodEater updates MajorChanges too |
| 16:06:13 | GodEater | can someone check the device list and make sure I didn't screw it up ? |
| 16:06:28 | pixelma | or is there a wiki page about the usb stack which could be linked to (and more easily be updated)? |
| 16:06:57 | GodEater | Documentation? This soon after a commit? You're hoping aren't you? :) |
| 16:07:14 | Zagor | there is one but it doesn't contain any info about my code. i'll update that soonish. now I have to rush. |
| 16:07:28 | pixelma | GodEater: :) |
| 16:08:12 | pixelma | I more had one in mind that describes the progress... maybe |
| 16:08:36 | GodEater | So to prevent a hung player (iPod), hold menu when inserting the cable yes ? |
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| 16:10:49 | pixelma | for me it doesn't hang anymore when connecting to USB what I had with the first version to, now it reboots to OF. Have to hold select on c200 if I only want it to charge, so I would expect that holding menu on Ipod does the same |
| 16:11:08 | GodEater | yeah, I got no reboot here |
| 16:11:39 | Zagor | gotta go |
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| 16:12:56 | pixelma | GodEater: with the latest version, i.e. what was committed? |
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| 16:14:02 | GodEater | not tried it - only the custom build Zagor sent me |
| 16:14:10 | GodEater | s/sent/linked |
| 16:14:55 | * | GodEater tries updating again |
| 16:15:22 | PaulJam | did anyone notice rockbox often frezing when connecting to USB with recent builds? (h300) |
| 16:15:57 | XavierGr | PaulJam I just had that behaviour on my gigabeat :( |
| 16:17:10 | GodEater | pixelma: yep - definitely no reboot |
| 16:17:42 | GodEater | mind you - it didn't hang this time |
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| 16:19:48 | pixelma | the delta table shows weird differences again... now it almost looks like the H10 got all the rest that was "missing" in yesterdays commit |
| 16:19:59 | PaulJam | Hmm, with reset settings it seems to work fine. no freeze so far. |
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| 16:29:27 | PaulJam | XavierGr: do you use any of the database features? |
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| 16:30:54 | XavierGr | PaulJam: No, only once or two to see how it is like |
| 16:31:03 | XavierGr | s/two/twice |
| 16:33:04 | XavierGr | PaulJam: I may not use it but I think I have it enabled |
| 16:33:54 | PaulJam | it could be related to the freeze on USB, but i'm still testing. |
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| 16:48:51 | pondlife | Hmm, not sure if this is a bug or a build quirk... |
| 16:49:10 | pondlife | After making an H340 build and zip, I get an engineeer2.rwps, but no .wps |
| 16:49:27 | pondlife | Same for iAmp and marquee |
| 16:49:35 | pondlife | and zezayer |
| 16:49:37 | PaulJam | XavierGr: do you have gather runtime data and autoupdate enabled? for me it seems to freeze every time when both are enabled, but not when only one is enabled. |
| 16:50:55 | evert | hmm, i'm strugling with encoding video for my sansa: |
| 16:51:02 | evert | ffmpeg -i Family.Guy.s02e01.Peter.Peter.Caviar.Eater.XviD-SChiZO.avi -s 220x176 -vcodec mpeg2video -b 600K -ab 192K -ac 2 -ar 441000 -acodec mp3 s2e01.mpg |
| 16:51:07 | evert | what's wrong with this command ? |
| 16:51:15 | PaulJam | pondlife: propaby because the h300 lcd remote is the same like the h100 remote, so they use the same rwps |
| 16:51:19 | evert | Error while opening codec for output stream #0.1 - maybe incorrect parameters such as bit_rate, rate, width or height |
| 16:51:22 | evert | that's the error |
| 16:52:11 | GodEater | PaulJam: why would that have anything to do with not getting the .wps ? He says he gets the .rwps |
| 16:52:27 | pondlife | Plus if build is deciding that the engineeer2.wps is no good for H300, why do I still get the engineeer2 directory full of bitmap...? |
| 16:52:33 | pondlife | Smells wrong |
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| 16:54:31 | Tbanzato | hello there, |
| 16:54:44 | Tbanzato | hi |
| 16:54:59 | PaulJam | Godeater: because there is no 220x176 version of engineer2 wps but a 128x64 version of the rwps. |
| 16:55:08 | GodEater | PaulJam: aaah - I see |
| 16:55:26 | Tbanzato | I'm willing to install rockbox on my ipod 5.5G I was wondering what video file formats does it suports |
| 16:55:32 | GodEater | mpeg 2 |
| 16:56:03 | Soap_ | mpeg 1 as well ;) |
| 16:56:07 | Tbanzato | great, so is there a pluggin or something to run dvix videos? |
| 16:56:12 | Tbanzato | divx |
| 16:56:15 | GodEater | no |
| 16:56:22 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 16:56:25 | Soap_ | we said mpeg 1, not divx/xvid/mpeg4 SP. |
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| 16:56:43 | Tbanzato | ok, no need to get angry, |
| 16:56:55 | GodEater | we don't really recommend the ipod 5.5G for watching video anyway in rockbox |
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| 16:57:01 | GodEater | you're better off using the apple firmware for that |
| 16:57:33 | Tbanzato | wow divx on apple firmware? |
| 16:57:39 | GodEater | noooooo |
| 16:57:45 | GodEater | I said "video" - not divx |
| 16:57:51 | Tbanzato | yeah weird I would say |
| 16:57:54 | Soap_ | excuse me, divx is MPEG-4 ASP, not SP |
| 16:58:07 | Tbanzato | uhmm I see |
| 16:58:10 | Tbanzato | got it now |
| 16:58:13 | GodEater | I've no clue what format video the OF uses |
| 16:58:28 | GodEater | all I know is it does a better job of playing back fullscreen video than rockbox does |
| 16:58:31 | Tbanzato | I just want to try something diferent from the apple system |
| 16:58:31 | Soap_ | MPEG-4 AVC is what iPod original firmware uses. |
| 16:59:32 | Tbanzato | great to know |
| 16:59:46 | GodEater | for music though, we kick their ass :) |
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| 17:00:06 | Tbanzato | yeah I was checking out some videos on youtube and so |
| 17:00:09 | Tbanzato | loved it |
| 17:00:47 | * | GodEater wonders how you can tell through youtube's crumby audio |
| 17:01:05 | Soap_ | beware of the /large/ amount of misinformation contained in ALL of the YouTube videos about Rockbox I have seen. |
| 17:01:39 | GodEater | particularly the "it will look l33t just like this when you're done installing" theme that they all seem to carry |
| 17:03:02 | Tbanzato | yeah |
| 17:03:06 | Tbanzato | got it |
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| 17:04:14 | GodEater | all we're really saying is : read the manual first, and understand what you're doing :) |
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| 17:51:51 | pondlife | Hmm, we made the Bangkok Post... http://www.bangkokpost.com/gadget/gadget.php?id=244 |
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| 17:53:24 | preglow | nice |
| 17:59:48 | PaulJam | calendar plugin on ipods? |
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| 18:09:56 | AceNik_ | guys my h10 does not go into disk mode with the new usb stack, how does it work, i just plugged usb in, i get a usb pic, but XP does not detect it as HDD or any device, just makes a noise as being detected but nothing shows up |
| 18:11:25 | AceNik_ | changename AceNik |
| 18:11:37 | PaulJam | AceNik_: i think you still need to boot into the OF for USB. |
| 18:12:19 | AceNik_ | pauljam: with the old stack, we used to press the "o" button in rockbox, then the player rebooted, n went into HDD mode |
| 18:12:30 | pixelma | I think you need to hold a button? |
| 18:12:59 | AceNik_ | pixelma: with the usb stack what button is it? |
| 18:13:33 | pixelma | it should be still the same - and the usb stack is not fully working yet |
| 18:14:13 | AceNik_ | pixelma: but i saw a fix for the pp502X that makes it work ? |
| 18:14:23 | AceNik_ | jus the recent builds |
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| 18:15:57 | pixelma | it's mentioned in short words in the project news on the front page. It's still work in progress... e.g. on my c200 it still reboots to OF for a USB connection |
| 18:16:22 | pondlife | GodEater: Was it a bit early to mention the USB stack in MajorChanges, maybe? |
| 18:16:35 | pondlife | I read that as "it's done".... |
| 18:16:40 | AceNik_ | pixelma: ok ill probably wait a lil |
| 18:16:43 | pondlife | ...which surprised me |
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| 18:28:16 | webguest15 | I no longer have logf display with last svn (today) on my iriver h10, someone has an idea ? |
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| 18:32:49 | pondlife | Blimey the database initialisation is going slow... looking on the debug screen it's doing about 3 files per second :/ |
| 18:36:34 | pondlife | Ah, enabling dircache helps a lot |
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| 18:48:56 | amiconn | Anyone with a G4 greyscale or color around? |
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| 18:56:44 | Mouser_X | amiconn: My brother has a G4 iPod, if I understand his descriptions correctly. He's not here though, nor does he have it with him... (maybe he sold it...) Sorry I couldn't be of help. |
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| 18:58:09 | amiconn | I'll commit away, and wait for screaming users... honestly, my commit cannot make things worse - it might not work, but current svn will not work for sure |
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| 18:58:39 | amiconn | (usb pin detect for ipod is only correct for Nano and Video in svn atm) |
| 18:59:03 | michikunz | Anybody knows the TECHLINE DF 23? |
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| 19:01:38 | pixelma | GodEater said, he wouldn't get the expected reboot on USB connect on his Video too (with current SVN) |
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| 19:05:24 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm around now. |
| 19:05:35 | amiconn | ah |
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| 19:06:15 | amiconn | I just committed a fix for the USB detect pin on G4/Color/Mini1+2. Could you check whether GPIO D3 is correct for the Color? |
| 19:06:21 | amiconn | I expect it to be... |
| 19:06:50 | amiconn | It's not yet built by the build system though - Slasheri was faster ;) |
| 19:07:09 | linuxstb | I didn't think there was a USB detect pin on GPIO - just power/charging. |
| 19:07:24 | amiconn | Yes, that's the pin I mean |
| 19:07:36 | amiconn | Detecting USB plugin in general - power or port |
| 19:07:52 | Slasheri | amiconn :) |
| 19:08:02 | linuxstb | Wasn't there working code before for that? |
| 19:08:18 | amiconn | We did not use that pin at all |
| 19:08:56 | amiconn | But using it is better - if the pin detects nothing, there's no point in running the USB controller |
| 19:09:10 | amiconn | Saves a few mA according to saratoga |
| 19:10:26 | amiconn | jhMikeS: around? |
| 19:11:40 | amiconn | Slasheri: Btw, did you update arm-elf-gcc on your build servers? |
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| 19:12:19 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, not for a some (long) time |
| 19:12:33 | amiconn | There was a call for that on the ml iirc |
| 19:12:45 | Slasheri | ah, i will check |
| 19:12:56 | amiconn | We still use 4.0.3, but you need to apply the multilibs patch |
| 19:13:02 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, D3 goes high when I attach USB on my Color. |
| 19:13:08 | amiconn | Otherwise the m:robe 500 build will error out |
| 19:13:18 | Slasheri | can rockboxdev.sh do that automatically? |
| 19:13:23 | amiconn | linuxstb: Thanks. As I expected :) |
| 19:13:31 | amiconn | Afaik it can |
| 19:13:35 | Slasheri | great |
| 19:13:37 | * | amiconn doesn't use rockboxdev.sh |
| 19:13:40 | linuxstb | Yes, it can. |
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| 19:14:15 | amiconn | Slasheri: See last build round for an example of the error ;\ |
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| 19:17:18 | amiconn | hmrf |
| 19:17:37 | hamdiya | hi |
| 19:17:48 | amiconn | Reboot to diskmode and charging work as expected on mini now, but the 'new hardware' thing is annoying |
| 19:18:04 | amiconn | Especially when working as a restricted user, as I normally do |
| 19:18:09 | hamdiya | i recently bought a Medion jukebox aka Aldipod |
| 19:18:22 | hamdiya | it's based on the PP5020 chip |
| 19:18:39 | hamdiya | atm, there is no port for it |
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| 19:18:59 | hamdiya | is there any similar port that i can edit a bit to make it work on the aldipod? |
| 19:19:46 | linuxstb | It's going to be more work than just "edit a bit"... Do you know what other components are inside? |
| 19:20:15 | hamdiya | i can try and open it up if necessary |
| 19:20:23 | hamdiya | i have a knowledge in electronics |
| 19:20:26 | hamdiya | so i think i will know my way around it |
| 19:20:58 | linuxstb | Seen this page ? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 19:21:02 | hamdiya | yup |
| 19:22:04 | hamdiya | i read that maybe the iriver h10 is similar, hardware wise, and that i can edit the port and make it work on my aldipod |
| 19:27:05 | pixelma | hamdiya: I believe there were a few interested users in the new ports forum, someone of them also mentioned another (german) forum I believe where he tried to gather more people. But haven't heard anything about it in a looong time... |
| 19:27:56 | pixelma | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6784.0 |
| 19:28:30 | hamdiya | i actually saw that post but ended with no results |
| 19:28:40 | hamdiya | ive also seen that german forum (using google translation tools) but it doens't mention anything about ports to the aldipod |
| 19:31:05 | linuxstb | The "Tatung Elio" port will probably be a good place to start - it doesn't work, which means it's generic code that will run on any PP5020 target. You can then use that as a basis for developing an LCD driver, which is pretty much the first thing that needs doing on any port. |
| 19:32:36 | linuxstb | You can compile it by choosing a that target, and a "bootloader" build. The code itself is bootloader/tpj1022.c (the main() function), and that uses code from firmware/ |
| 19:33:27 | amiconn | Yeah, that port from mr. "let's commit the beginnings of e a port, then abandon it" ;\ |
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| 19:34:01 | amiconn | -e |
| 19:34:24 | linuxstb | I'll be happy to remove it... |
| 19:34:50 | amiconn | Finishing it at least up to the stage where it plays music would be better... |
| 19:34:56 | hamdiya | can i find this 'tatung elio' port on rockbox? |
| 19:35:21 | linuxstb | Yes, it's in Rockbox SVN. |
| 19:37:57 | amiconn | GodEater: I tried latest svn on G5.5 now, and it works as expected (reboots into diskmode with no button, and starts charging when holding Menu) |
| 19:38:26 | linuxstb | But you get a "new hardware" message? |
| 19:39:01 | amiconn | yes |
| 19:39:29 | linuxstb | When charging? |
| 19:39:34 | amiconn | Plus a window asking me for an administrator login, which I then cancel, and windows complains that it couldn't install the hardware |
| 19:39:38 | amiconn | In either case |
| 19:39:57 | pixelma | same here on c200 (with both) |
| 19:40:08 | amiconn | (that is, in the USB case the "new hardware" message pops up before the ipod reboots) |
| 19:41:15 | amiconn | This is expected iiuc,as our USB stack identifies itself as using a vendor specific protocol |
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| 19:44:11 | {EDF}SS | argh brb |
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| 19:48:11 | hamdiya | i am having trouble decrypting the firwmare |
| 19:48:12 | hamdiya | maybe i wasn't using mi4Code correctly |
| 19:48:17 | hamdiya | can someone check it please? |
| 19:48:21 | hamdiya | it comes in an .mi4 format |
| 19:48:21 | hamdiya | link is: |
| 19:48:37 | hamdiya | http://www1.medion.de/downloads/download.pl?id=2561&type=treiber&filename=juke2xxfwup.exe&lang=uk |
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| 19:50:53 | DerPapst | hey amiconn |
| 19:51:07 | DerPapst | i wanted to test rb on my 3G but i can't. |
| 19:51:37 | DerPapst | rb always shuts down the player because the battery is dead. |
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| 19:51:49 | DerPapst | but it's connected to a charger |
| 19:52:25 | DerPapst | but since i can't compile currently i can't disable this function |
| 19:52:29 | PaulJam | DerPapst: there were several reports about this problem here. |
| 19:52:59 | DerPapst | about ipods in general or this specific generation? |
| 19:53:09 | PaulJam | only g3 |
| 19:53:43 | amiconn | So maybe adc is broken somehow? |
| 19:53:46 | DerPapst | aha |
| 19:53:54 | amiconn | (adc driver in rockbox I mean) |
| 19:54:10 | DerPapst | apple firmware says it's still arround 40% |
| 19:54:30 | amiconn | Too bad that the only dev with a G3 seems to have vanished :( |
| 19:54:44 | DerPapst | though the battery is nearly half dead.. full charged maybe one hour of runtime in OF |
| 19:54:52 | {EDF}SS | which folders does rockbox use? ONLY the .rockbox folder? |
| 19:54:57 | DerPapst | yes |
| 19:55:08 | linuxstb | hamdiya: You don't have a link to the .mi4 file itself? |
| 19:55:10 | {EDF}SS | overwriting it didn't fix my problem, guess I'll delete and re-copy |
| 19:55:54 | DerPapst | maybe just delete your config? |
| 19:56:00 | amiconn | mrfh |
| 19:56:07 | amiconn | Behaviour on H10 is broken |
| 19:56:08 | {EDF}SS | is the entire config in 1 file? |
| 19:56:25 | hamdiya | it comes with this zip package |
| 19:56:32 | hamdiya | but if you really want just the mi4 file |
| 19:56:35 | hamdiya | will upload it 4 u |
| 19:56:35 | hamdiya | ull find it under the System folder which is in the zip |
| 19:57:14 | hamdiya | seems like there is lag with me, messages wrongly ordered |
| 19:57:21 | amiconn | Plain english please |
| 19:57:29 | {EDF}SS | hooray I fixed my ipod again, guess I didn't need you guys after all :P |
| 19:57:31 | * | amiconn points to topic |
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| 19:57:49 | DerPapst | amiconn: i can test whatever changes you tell me. unfortunately my understanding about low level stuff is nearly not existing |
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| 19:58:50 | linuxstb | hanmdiya: That's OK, I didn't notice the .exe was a self-extracting ZIP. No need to upload the file. |
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| 20:00:09 | hamdiya | :) |
| 20:00:12 | linuxstb | hanmdiya: mi4code decrypts that file fine, with the default key. |
| 20:00:40 | hamdiya | should i use a hex editor to look into it? |
| 20:00:47 | hamdiya | or is there a better way? |
| 20:01:26 | bertrik | I tried enabling USB_STORAGE but I get a compile error for function usb_storage_transfer_complete and queue_post |
| 20:01:54 | PaulJam | Slasheri: do you think your last commit might fix FS #8214 ? |
| 20:02:49 | linuxstb | hamdiya: A hex editor won't help, you'll want an ARM disassembler. If you install the Rockbox toolchain, you'll have "arm-elf-objdump" which you can use, or the disassembler in the utils/ directory in the Rockbox source. |
| 20:04:11 | hamdiya | ill download that now |
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| 20:06:16 | Slasheri | PaulJam: yes, it should fix that |
| 20:06:29 | PaulJam | cool, thanks |
| 20:06:38 | Slasheri | you can close that task |
| 20:08:50 | hamdiya | cant find the toolchain mentioned above |
| 20:08:52 | hamdiya | a link please? |
| 20:10:13 | PaulJam | i don't have that powers, but i requested a closure. |
| 20:10:22 | linuxstb | hamdiya: Have you downloaded the Rockbox source code? |
| 20:10:54 | linuxstb | hamdiya: Some useful starting points - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 20:13:04 | XavierGr | PaulJam: done |
| 20:13:23 | hamdiya | the package is about 10MB right? |
| 20:13:31 | hamdiya | think i found the source code |
| 20:13:59 | linuxstb | I don't know, I use SVN |
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| 20:15:25 | hamdiya | crap, gtg |
| 20:15:32 | hamdiya | i will be back later on |
| 20:15:38 | hamdiya | thanks for your time linuxstb |
| 20:15:41 | hamdiya | much appreciated |
| 20:15:45 | hamdiya | bye now :) |
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| 21:00:31 | darkredflame | Anybody knows where I can get the Rockbox Media Player driver? |
| 21:01:23 | bertrik | you mean a USB mass storage driver or something like that? |
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| 21:02:05 | darkredflame | Dunno |
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| 21:02:21 | darkredflame | I just updated my version from one back in July |
| 21:02:44 | darkredflame | Plugged it in and a new hardware wizard came up saying |
| 21:02:48 | darkredflame | Rockbox Media Player |
| 21:03:21 | bertrik | oh, that just got in SVN yesterday, it's not completely ready yet as far as I know |
| 21:03:37 | linuxstb | darkredflame - Just ignore it - see the latest news item on the Rockbox home page. |
| 21:03:40 | nanok | darkredflame: which target? (player) |
| 21:03:47 | darkredflame | E200 Series |
| 21:03:59 | nanok | darkredflame: as linuxstb says, ignore it ;) |
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| 21:04:08 | nanok | damn, i must update |
| 21:04:16 | darkredflame | Kay |
| 21:04:32 | nanok | long live zagor ;), i can;t wait to charge my sansa on the usb, without rebooting |
| 21:04:34 | amiconn | Btw, I don't like that generic 'Rockbox media player' id string |
| 21:04:55 | nanok | darkredflame: the major difference now is you will be able to use the rockbox while charging |
| 21:04:59 | amiconn | It will make it difficult to distinguish them when several are connected... |
| 21:05:19 | darkredflame | Like how nanok? |
| 21:05:32 | darkredflame | All i'm seeing is the generic charging screen |
| 21:05:45 | nanok | amiconn: is there a hw id advertised by the usb cheap which is unique to each device and could be read and used? |
| 21:06:01 | bertrik | amiconn: there is a unique player id inside the AS3514, we could use that as part of the USB descriptors, so the OS can keep players apart |
| 21:06:11 | linuxstb | nanok: Rockbox uses the USB device ID of the original firmware. |
| 21:06:19 | bertrik | AFAIK that is what the OF does |
| 21:06:22 | nanok | darkredflame: boot rockbox, hold the button in the middle of the wheel while pluging to the computer |
| 21:06:55 | linuxstb | nanok: Sorry, I meant USB Vendor/Product IDs... |
| 21:07:02 | nanok | darkredflame: you will be able to use the player as if nothing happened |
| 21:07:19 | nanok | linuxstb: but that is only unique to the product line, or to each singular device? |
| 21:07:47 | darkredflame | Hmm |
| 21:08:00 | bertrik | nanok: the AS3514 id is unique, it's part of the USB serial number |
| 21:08:01 | darkredflame | Doesn't seem it charging, but what do I know, I'm not on the team |
| 21:08:19 | nanok | darkredflame: i haven;t even had the time to try it yet |
| 21:08:37 | darkredflame | Not working with my model |
| 21:08:37 | nanok | anybody know if there is also some code to display the charging status on the sansa? |
| 21:08:51 | darkredflame | It still says the battery life (Hours+Minutes) |
| 21:08:54 | nanok | allready |
| 21:09:38 | darkredflame | Actually I think you jsut go to System>Rockbox Info |
| 21:09:39 | nanok | darkredflame: that's just what it displays i think, maybe there is no support yet (or maybe not in the theme/wps you use) to display the current charging status |
| 21:09:53 | darkredflame | Hmm |
| 21:09:59 | nanok | damn it, i have to try it, been waiting for this for weeks.. :) |
| 21:10:16 | * | nanok goes to update the rockbox on his e200 |
| 21:10:33 | darkredflame | I don't care really, as long as I can use it |
| 21:10:34 | bertrik | nanok: I'm trying it out now, but I can't even get windows to configure it as mass storage |
| 21:10:50 | nanok | bertrik: that is not possible yet |
| 21:11:12 | darkredflame | Yesterday my database got corrupted... Sigh |
| 21:11:20 | bertrik | I want to make it possible |
| 21:11:24 | nanok | bertrik: zagor only submited the part for usb power request, with some "dummy" mass storage (he is still working on the mass storage stuff) |
| 21:11:27 | pixelma | if you look at the homepage it tells you, that ot only charges yet |
| 21:11:35 | pixelma | *it |
| 21:11:35 | darkredflame | Happened when I made a custom theme using the orginial firmware |
| 21:12:00 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:12:27 | bertrik | Oh but I see he already committed the BOT and SCSI stuff |
| 21:13:25 | bertrik | and even without real mass storage, I should be able to make windows see at least the proper USB storage descriptors |
| 21:14:17 | nanok | bertrik: give me a minute to update mine, and i will see what it does on linux |
| 21:14:43 | nanok | maybe it helps you figure something out |
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| 21:18:22 | amiconn | linuxstb, bertrik: I know that the VID and PID are unique, but I would like the name to be unique as well, because that's what windows displays when it find new hardware |
| 21:18:49 | amiconn | Like "Rockboxed ipod Mini 2nd Gen" or similar |
| 21:19:29 | bertrik | That should be doable, just requires a handful of #fidefs :P |
| 21:19:44 | amiconn | Yeah |
| 21:20:13 | amiconn | I wonder whether there is a better way to write UTF16 strings than putting every single char into an array |
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| 21:21:02 | bertrik | Write a little conversion routine I suppose |
| 21:21:05 | darkredflame | *Sigh* I have no idea what you guys are talking about |
| 21:21:05 | darkredflame | :P |
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| 21:21:30 | amiconn | bertrik: Compile time... |
| 21:21:42 | nanok | darkredflame: this is a developer-oriented channel. dont;t worry, i don;t understand shit either :) |
| 21:21:56 | nanok | damn ; |
| 21:22:01 | nanok | too short finger.. |
| 21:22:06 | * | stripwax chuckles |
| 21:22:25 | amiconn | bertrik: Look at that diff: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/usbstack/usb_core.c?r1=15771;r2=15772 |
| 21:22:47 | nanok | bertrik: |
| 21:22:48 | nanok | usb 4-4: USB disconnect, address 83 |
| 21:22:48 | nanok | usb 4-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 84 |
| 21:22:48 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK nanok |
| 21:22:48 | nanok | usb 4-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 21:22:50 | bertrik | amiconn: I haven't seen anything better than what is currently used |
| 21:23:04 | nanok | this is all i get. there is no attempt of usb-storage communication, it seems |
| 21:23:06 | bertrik | nanok: ah, so under Linux it configures at least |
| 21:23:22 | nanok | yes, but no mass storage (not even a try) |
| 21:23:50 | nanok | the mass storage module is separate, what you see above is from the usb driver only |
| 21:24:19 | nanok | so it is basically the same as what happens in windows |
| 21:25:05 | nanok | normally, after the usb driver does it's thing, the usb-storage module is "called", and some other stuff happens |
| 21:25:15 | nanok | i would paste, but it's too much i am afraid |
| 21:25:36 | scorche|w | pastebin.ca :) |
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| 21:26:18 | nanok | scorche|w: good point :) |
| 21:28:40 | bertrik | nanok: the connect/disconnect doesn't look too good yet ... :( |
| 21:29:15 | darkredflame | Blah |
| 21:29:21 | darkredflame | I have to return my E260 |
| 21:29:27 | darkredflame | To many scan lines |
| 21:29:31 | nanok | bertrik: http://pastebin.com/d1184f092 |
| 21:29:53 | nanok | bertrik: this is what it looks like when connecting to it when it is in the OF |
| 21:30:14 | nanok | bertrik: what do you mean? |
| 21:32:33 | stripwax | "too many scan lines"? |
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| 21:34:25 | darkredflame | I dropped my E260 on the ground the other day and it turned off |
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| 21:34:38 | darkredflame | Turned it back on and it had scan lines |
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| 21:34:56 | darkredflame | It would be okay if the scan lines werent to big |
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| 21:35:21 | stripwax | Sorry, but I don't know what "had scan lines" means |
| 21:35:47 | darkredflame | One second |
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| 21:36:06 | darkredflame | A scan line is one line, or row, in a raster scanning pattern, such as a video line on a cathode ray tube (CRT) display of a television or computer. |
| 21:36:21 | darkredflame | Like to put it in layman terms |
| 21:36:25 | Torment | on sansa i used to be able to press the down button while an audio file and bring up the menu that shows bookmarks, delete, etc −− whered that go? |
| 21:36:30 | darkredflame | Its a bunch of lines going down your screen |
| 21:37:01 | stripwax | darkredflame - :) I know what scan lines *are*, but I don't understand your description of the damage. all LCDs are processed as lines of pixels right, are you saying alternate rows are missing? |
| 21:37:46 | nanok | Torment: the keys were slightly remaped. the context menu now works on a long press of the button in the middle of the wheel |
| 21:37:59 | nanok | Torment: the "down" button is now the main menu |
| 21:38:08 | darkredflame | Actually I think it would be easier if I just uploaded a picture of it and pasted it here |
| 21:38:21 | Torment | nanok: ah thats it −− thanks a bunch |
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| 21:39:22 | darkredflame | Shit... thats not good |
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| 21:40:07 | * | stripwax catches up from the logs |
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| 21:40:22 | darkredflame | That was strange |
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| 21:40:31 | darkredflame | Webcammax just had a spaz attack |
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| 21:41:27 | darkredflame | One moment strip |
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| 21:44:01 | bobrules | how come rockbox can't view the pictures taht came with my player? |
| 21:44:05 | amiconn | mrf. If wchar_t in arm-elf-gcc were 16 bit, those UTF16 string could be written in a nice way. But wchar_t is 32 bit :( |
| 21:44:49 | darkredflame | http://www.pursuitnetwerk.com/ngmusic/uploader/public/pview/10/MyPhoto-071123-01.JPG |
| 21:45:11 | darkredflame | The scan line volume is slighty annoying when watching movies |
| 21:46:39 | bertrik | my USB broke down, I'll get a new one tomorrow and do some testing with the USBCV tool |
| 21:46:50 | bertrik | (USB hub I mean) |
| 21:47:06 | stripwax | bobrules - if you can tell us a) what player you have (make, model) and b) what pictures came with it, maybe we can answer your question |
| 21:47:21 | bobrules | sansa e250, I belive it's jpg |
| 21:47:35 | stripwax | bobrules - believe - can you check? |
| 21:47:44 | bobrules | ok |
| 21:47:50 | stripwax | rockbox should be able to view .jpg, using the jpeg viewer |
| 21:48:02 | bertrik | the sansa example photos are bmp on my sansa |
| 21:48:38 | bobrules | nvm |
| 21:48:41 | bobrules | it's bmp |
| 21:48:54 | bobrules | so it can't view bmp? |
| 21:48:59 | stripwax | darkredflame - hm, that doesnt' look great does it. is it covered by warranty? |
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| 21:49:06 | bertrik | I think we have an image viewer that can show jpeg but not bmp, and we have album art that can show bmp but not jpeg |
| 21:49:06 | stripwax | bobrules - rockbox can also view bitmaps |
| 21:49:14 | stripwax | right |
| 21:49:34 | bobrules | is the bmp viewer built in? |
| 21:49:35 | stripwax | you can use .bmp as backgrounds and albumart |
| 21:50:01 | PaulJam_ | well, you can open bitmaps with the rockpaint plugin via the open with menu. |
| 21:50:18 | stripwax | PaulJam_ : - good point. bobrules, rockpaint is built-in |
| 21:50:34 | bobrules | lcd mode -> inverse looks really good |
| 21:50:51 | bobrules | steps plz? |
| 21:50:53 | bobrules | please* |
| 21:51:06 | | Part hcs |
| 21:51:23 | stripwax | bobrules - steps to do what, sorry? |
| 21:51:27 | bobrules | nvm |
| 21:51:31 | bobrules | I found it under applictations |
| 21:51:55 | bobrules | when I go into rockpaint it shows a blank screen |
| 21:52:02 | stripwax | bobrules - exactly as PaulJam_ said - you can open bitmaps using the "open with" menu |
| 21:52:14 | bobrules | nvm |
| 21:52:30 | stripwax | you should be able to also load the image once you've loaded rockpaint |
| 21:52:41 | bobrules | where's open with? |
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| 21:53:05 | stripwax | bobrules - if I tell you are you going to say "nvm" again? |
| 21:53:15 | bobrules | how do I get to the open with menu? |
| 21:53:38 | stripwax | hold down the selection button, same as if you're playing a file but *hold it down*. and read the manual. |
| 21:54:28 | bobrules | oh my god I'm so dumb |
| 21:54:29 | nanok | stripwax: that's a very good advice, and i should follow it also this weekend, see what i can add to it and such |
| 21:55:07 | stripwax | nanok - great! |
| 21:55:27 | bobrules | rockpaint still doesn't show the image |
| 21:55:28 | * | nanok was thinking terry pratchet, but the rockbox manual sounds like a lot more fun |
| 21:55:31 | nanok | :-P |
| 21:55:37 | stripwax | heh |
| 21:55:49 | bobrules | it froze my palyer |
| 21:55:58 | stripwax | bobrules - I just tried it on a bitmap and it worked for me |
| 21:56:18 | nanok | stripwax: the weather seems shit, so no point to go to the mountains, thus maybe i can actually find some time to read it from start to end |
| 21:56:50 | nanok | i don;t even completely know all the rockbox features to be really honest, i am sure. and some i think i will like to use |
| 21:56:53 | bobrules | froze again |
| 21:57:08 | bobrules | forget it |
| 21:57:12 | nanok | i was so stunned with crossfeed and the eq i didn't care much about anything else :) |
| 21:57:44 | bobrules | what's cross feed I tried it , how is it good? |
| 21:58:23 | bertrik | it bleeds some audio from left to right and vice versa, but in an intelligent way |
| 21:58:25 | stripwax | does 'forget it' mean you got it to work, or does it mean you didn't get it to work? or should we just forget about the whole thing? |
| 21:58:41 | bobrules | does it make the music sound better? |
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| 21:58:51 | bertrik | bobrules: makes a lot of music sound better, more 'in your head' |
| 21:59:03 | * | stripwax shrugs and goes back to 'are you smarter than a 10 year old' on sky one |
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| 21:59:38 | darkredflame | Sorry about that, i'm abck |
| 21:59:41 | darkredflame | back* |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:01 | darkredflame | As long as I uninstall rockbox and and use the orginial firmware again |
| 22:00:07 | darkredflame | It should be under warranty |
| 22:00:08 | bobrules | can anyone tell me the best bass and tremble config , |
| 22:00:40 | bertrik | ofcourse not |
| 22:00:54 | bobrules | is there a magical number? |
| 22:00:59 | nanok | bobrules: mine is the best |
| 22:01:05 | nanok | definetly |
| 22:01:08 | bobrules | gimme |
| 22:01:09 | bobrules | gimme |
| 22:01:12 | bobrules | sorry |
| 22:01:20 | nanok | bobrules: use what works best for you :), it was a joke |
| 22:01:38 | bobrules | also, dithering is that useful? |
| 22:01:49 | stripwax | bobrules - did you read the manual yet? |
| 22:01:52 | bertrik | bobrules: it adds noise :P |
| 22:01:58 | darkredflame | Playin Pokemanz on mah E260 |
| 22:02:01 | darkredflame | :P |
| 22:02:08 | PaulJam_ | the "best" setting propably highly depends on your headphones/speakers |
| 22:02:21 | bobrules | where's the manual? |
| 22:02:35 | PaulJam_ | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 22:02:48 | bobrules | i didn't know there was a mnual |
| 22:03:24 | bobrules | anyone here develops for the official build? |
| 22:04:38 | stripwax | bobrules- all of the developers do. is there anything in particular you want information about? if so you can just ask |
| 22:05:27 | stripwax | bobrules - the manual is linked from the *front page* of rockbox.org . should we make the link bigger? |
| 22:05:30 | bobrules | no just asking |
| 22:05:39 | bobrules | brb reading the manual |
| 22:05:44 | bobrules | I'll ask more when I'm done |
| 22:05:51 | darkredflame | You guys need to make a rockbox firmware for the sansa view |
| 22:05:52 | darkredflame | :P |
| 22:06:51 | * | stripwax hmms... rockpaint doesn't seem to have a section in the manual, at least for ipod 5g |
| 22:06:52 | nanok | darkredflame: i think there are allready atempts to port |
| 22:07:18 | bobrules | can rockbox make a nano play video? |
| 22:07:18 | darkredflame | Sweet |
| 22:07:21 | nanok | but, if i may say so, as a slightly external party: sandisk needs these guys to make rockbox ported to the sansa view |
| 22:07:37 | darkredflame | True |
| 22:07:40 | darkredflame | More sales |
| 22:07:45 | nanok | not the other way around, arogant as it may sound ;) |
| 22:07:48 | nanok | yes |
| 22:07:55 | bobrules | also, I have a sansa250, can rockbox play video converted by the software that came with the sansa? |
| 22:08:04 | nanok | i bought my sansa e200 for the only reason that it can run rockbox |
| 22:08:21 | darkredflame | A bid corporation using a open-source third party software as their pawn, if I mgiht say so |
| 22:08:35 | stripwax | bobrules - please read the section about the mpegplayer plugin |
| 22:08:38 | bertrik | nanok: I was considering Creative Zen V and Sandisk Sansa, and chose the sansa because of rockbox |
| 22:08:40 | stripwax | it will answer your questions |
| 22:09:12 | bobrules | thanks |
| 22:09:15 | darkredflame | I chose the sansa because i'm a *ahem* Sandisk fanboy |
| 22:09:35 | bobrules | anyone find the the buttons on sansa are to small? |
| 22:09:43 | darkredflame | Nope |
| 22:09:44 | bobrules | hard to press |
| 22:09:54 | darkredflame | Seem big enough to me |
| 22:10:24 | darkredflame | Bleh, i'm hungry |
| 22:10:33 | darkredflame | Didnt have lunch and it already 4PM |
| 22:10:44 | bertrik | maybe we should move over to #rockbox-community for non-technical talk |
| 22:12:13 | bobrules | rockbox is really good on the sansa |
| 22:12:19 | bobrules | I hate the blue light so much |
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| 22:12:21 | bobrules | so I turned it off |
| 22:14:39 | stripwax | I left my 5g video, idle, in the Diag mode with backlight turned off, to see how long it would run before running the battery flat. Now unfortunately, I wasn't around when it actually turned off (was fast asleep), but I put it at between 12 and 16 hours, which is less than people get in practice running the OF for music. |
| 22:14:41 | darkredflame | Sorry about that bert, getting off topic a little bit |
| 22:14:54 | darkredflame | I'll be back in a bit, going to get food |
| 22:15:40 | nanok | darkredflame: bertrik's suggestion is a good one, see /topic |
| 22:15:40 | stripwax | So I'm expecting that there are some additional power-saving features that are only enabled in the main code but not in the diag firmware. |
| 22:17:02 | nanok | stripwax: perhaps they stripped it of all unnecesarry things, to keep it small and simple to "maintain" |
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| 22:17:09 | nanok | stripwax: no pun intended :) |
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| 22:18:43 | bobrules | is the battery time accurate? |
| 22:19:10 | stripwax | nanok - could be. actually I wonder if the serial output is used by the diag mode and if rockbox doesn't explicitly disable some component that drives that |
| 22:19:14 | * | nanok salutes Zagor, man of the day :) |
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| 22:19:34 | Zagor | :) |
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| 22:20:01 | bertrik | stripwax: interesting idea |
| 22:20:05 | nanok | Zagor: shit, i just realised: 22 was my birthday, i could arogantly lead myself to believe i got the usb power code as a preasent for my birthday |
| 22:20:17 | nanok | one of the best i ever received, i must add ;) |
| 22:20:32 | Zagor | nanok: sure, indulge yourself :) |
| 22:21:04 | bertrik | Zagor: I'll get a new USB hub tomorrow and do some testing against the USBCV tool |
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| 22:22:03 | nanok | Zagor: allready am, i have my sansa plugged in, and been grinning like and idiot for the past 30 minutes :) |
| 22:22:17 | Zagor | bertrik: I wouldn't expect us to perform very well in that tool, but it can't hurt |
| 22:22:22 | nanok | i need to discharge it though, to actually see it charge.. |
| 22:23:04 | bertrik | nanok: I think it still charges with only 50 mA and only up to 3.9V... |
| 22:23:09 | Rincewind | my sansa crashed when i plugged it in usb (in rockbox) |
| 22:23:30 | bobrules | rince wind it should automatically go back to your OF |
| 22:23:30 | nanok | bertrik: yes, but i mean to see an actual difference after a while |
| 22:23:41 | nanok | Rincewind: what do you mean by "crash" |
| 22:24:02 | Rincewind | by crash I mean freezing of the screen, no responding, needing a reset |
| 22:24:57 | nanok | bobrules: you can use tab key in most irc clients to autocomplete nicks, so you don;t have to type them, and no, if rb is running it won;t reboot to of, on the sansa at least |
| 22:25:20 | nanok | Rincewind: if you just unplug the cable doesn;t it come back? |
| 22:25:24 | bobrules | oh cool |
| 22:25:28 | bobrules | nanok |
| 22:25:33 | Rincewind | no, like I said, it needed a reset |
| 22:25:55 | PaulJam_ | Rincewind: which version? try if it still happens with the most recent version. there was a bug that caused freezing on my device. |
| 22:26:01 | bobrules | rockbox can't play wma right? |
| 22:26:12 | bertrik | ofcourse it can |
| 22:26:22 | nanok | Rincewind: this should not happen, does it do it "reliably", every time? which build? |
| 22:26:30 | bertrik | but only drm-free wma I think |
| 22:26:32 | scorche|w | i wouldnt say "of course", but yes it can :) |
| 22:26:33 | bobrules | where can I find the video compatibillity page? |
| 22:26:51 | scorche|w | bobrules: PluginMpegplayer |
| 22:27:01 | stripwax | I think I mentioned that earlier |
| 22:27:18 | Zagor | amiconn: windows displays the "soft" name when new hardware is found. currently "Rockbox media player" |
| 22:27:23 | Zagor | at least XP did |
| 22:27:25 | bobrules | but it's a mpeg player, not a wma player |
| 22:27:39 | scorche|w | bobrules: wma isnt video... |
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| 22:27:51 | bobrules | wmv |
| 22:28:08 | Zagor | ah, you saw :) |
| 22:28:10 | scorche|w | rockbox wont support that |
| 22:28:10 | Rincewind | it was the most recent version. I tried it only once. |
| 22:28:35 | bobrules | rockbox is really cool |
| 22:28:39 | bobrules | it's like ubuntu |
| 22:29:05 | mokkurkalve | Rockbox added a codec couple of months ago to play WMA. It plays DRM-free WMA standard v1 & v2 I think, not WMA pro or lossless.... |
| 22:29:18 | stripwax | bobrules - rockbox is *nothing like* ubuntu |
| 22:29:39 | Zagor | bertrik: what makes you think the power isn't working? |
| 22:29:41 | stripwax | the mpegplayer plugin only plays mpeg 1 and 2 videos. there is no other video player plugin |
| 22:29:51 | bobrules | oh sorry, I meant wmv rock box can't play wmv right? |
| 22:29:59 | nanok | to be really honest, i wouldn't even bother with anything with w in the name..oh, but that;s a flamewar, dissregard |
| 22:30:02 | nanok | :) |
| 22:30:03 | Rincewind | nanok: the reason might be that I use an older bootloader |
| 22:30:09 | stripwax | bobrules - right, because wmv isn't mpeg1 or mpeg2 |
| 22:30:20 | stripwax | not sure I can be any more clear though |
| 22:30:36 | bobrules | when you convert a video using the softare that came with the sansa, what format is it in? |
| 22:30:36 | bertrik | Zagor: the charger circuit on the AS3514 isn't configured for a higher current than default, or is it now? |
| 22:30:49 | scorche|w | bobrules: it wont work |
| 22:30:57 | nanok | Rincewind: hm, i am not very sure how exactly the bootloader works with rockbox, but i think it shouldn't matter much once you are allready running rb |
| 22:30:59 | mokkurkalve | of video only mpeg1 and mpeg2 are supportet |
| 22:31:22 | scorche|w | bobrules: if you looked on the wikipage i told you to look at, you would find a few programs and instructions for encoding your videos |
| 22:31:34 | Zagor | bertrik: ah. no, I haven't looked at the AS3514 code. I thought you meant the usb power code isn't working. |
| 22:31:41 | bobrules | .MPG is mpege right? |
| 22:32:24 | nanok | bobrules: do not confuse the extension with the codec, but it usually is, or should be |
| 22:32:26 | bertrik | Zagor: I do wonder if you can really draw extra power if the USB device has not been configured (with a set configuration request I mean) |
| 22:32:53 | bertrik | AFAIK, set configuration is only sent when windows found a driver for the device |
| 22:33:26 | bertrik | I'll have to read up on that |
| 22:33:34 | Zagor | aha. linux sets configuration even without driver. |
| 22:33:38 | bobrules | does itdoes mpeg run at 10fps? |
| 22:33:47 | nanok | bertrik: but the usb device is configured i think, just not usb-storage. if it works in windows similar to linux, that is seaprated (another layer, so to speak) |
| 22:33:59 | scorche|w | that depends on a number of factors |
| 22:34:08 | Zagor | enabling logf will find that out pretty quickly |
| 22:34:28 | bertrik | nanok: no, as far as I know, an USB device is not configured until windows found a driver |
| 22:34:32 | PaulJam_ | to add a little bit of confusion: i think rockbox actually supports wmv more or less. afaik it attempts to play the audio part, but no video. |
| 22:35:01 | scorche|w | PaulJam_: well, that is wma... |
| 22:35:06 | linuxstb | PaulJam_: Strictly speaking, Rockbox supports wma streams in ASF files. It ignores any other streams, such as wmv |
| 22:35:08 | Zagor | nanok: "set configuration" is a usb command the host sends to the device |
| 22:35:18 | nanok | bertrik: aham, so the fact that it connects to it, at "first" usb level, is not enough, it wants to know if it's usb mass storage, or whatever.. |
| 22:35:35 | nanok | bertrik: that sounds ugly :( |
| 22:35:42 | bertrik | nanok: I'm trying to look it up now, I'll give a reference once I know |
| 22:35:44 | bobrules | does rockbox play flash videos? |
| 22:36:07 | scorche|w | bobrules: last time... ONLY MPEG1 AND MPEG2 VIDEOS |
| 22:36:13 | stripwax | bobrules - sigh - what did I just say about mpegplayer being the *only* video player? |
| 22:36:24 | nanok | bertrik: btw, i think in windows there is a way to give full power to an usb device, or port, i think it works even with very dumb usb devices, which don;t know to request that |
| 22:36:27 | bobrules | sorry in my mind, rockbox can do anything |
| 22:36:28 | * | stripwax hits the drink |
| 22:36:40 | * | scorche|w begs stripwax to share |
| 22:37:03 | stripwax | :) back in ten |
| 22:37:17 | bobrules | I like how when you plug the usb in the player, it automatically switch back to original firmware |
| 22:38:05 | PaulJam_ | i wouldn't like if my h300 did that :) |
| 22:38:14 | nanok | bertrik: i am not sure, i seem to vaguely remeber you could do something like that, maybe you can figure it out and see if it actually works for charging the rb sansa?.. |
| 22:38:40 | darkredflame | Yum... Baked Ziti |
| 22:38:43 | bobrules | when you develop rockbox is it in C? |
| 22:38:43 | nanok | PaulJam_: you lucky bastard, shut up :) |
| 22:39:19 | bertrik | paragraph 9.1.2, point 8 on page 244 of the USB2.0 spec says that the device can only draw the advertised current in the Configured state |
| 22:39:24 | EternalRains | bobrules: Yes, it's C. |
| 22:39:26 | bobrules | why is he lucky? |
| 22:39:34 | bobrules | what's special about h300? |
| 22:39:41 | nanok | bobrules: you can see it for yourself in the svn, i think it is c |
| 22:40:07 | bertrik | but we could build a very simple .INF file of course to get it configured |
| 22:40:20 | nanok | bobrules: it is iriver, probably one of the best sounding players currently produced on this planet, along with the cowon's, and it is very well supported by rb |
| 22:40:20 | bertrik | (at least in windows) |
| 22:40:30 | Zagor | bertrik: inf file? |
| 22:40:44 | bobrules | I thought Ipod sound better |
| 22:41:06 | scorche|w | lets not turn this into a what-sounds-better debate... |
| 22:41:17 | nanok | Zagor: i think you can fool windows to load some dummy driver just by telling it it is okay to do so for a certain model/vendor id and such, and make it happy |
| 22:41:32 | bertrik | Zagor: it's a windows thing |
| 22:41:53 | nanok | bobrules: scorche|w is right, also do check -community |
| 22:42:48 | * | nanok bows head in shame for almost starting a flame in here |
| 22:43:16 | bobrules | anyone recommend me a good theme for rb |
| 22:43:44 | krazykit | bobrules, look at the WPS gallery and pick one you like. we don't know your tastes. |
| 22:43:58 | Zagor | nanok, bertrik: so you put it in \WINDOWS\SYSTEM or some similar place? |
| 22:44:06 | bobrules | did anyone make a psp like backdrop? |
| 22:44:24 | krazykit | you could make one yourself. |
| 22:46:01 | bertrik | Zagor: I know that it is possible to to use a .inf file to associate a device with libusb somehow, so libusb0.sys acts as the driver. I don't know how to do it without libusb |
| 22:46:18 | Zagor | right, windows does not send set_config for the current code. linux does though. |
| 22:46:33 | Zagor | (tested with windows xp) |
| 22:46:41 | bobrules | hey I tried to play a mpg video on rb, it says, missing packet start code |
| 22:47:47 | bertrik | Zagor: I vaguely remember there was a utility that came with libusb to create a .inf file (given a USB VID/PID) but can't find it right now |
| 22:47:53 | bobrules | what does that mean? |
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| 22:50:21 | EternalRains | bobrules: Your video may be missing a three-byte signature in the beginning of the file. Try it with a different file. |
| 22:50:48 | bobrules | can I re encode it? |
| 22:52:04 | EternalRains | That goes beyond my powers of Google. Try it with a _wholly_ different file to see if it works. |
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| 22:54:29 | bertrik | ah found the inf wizard again |
| 22:55:51 | bobrules | sansa e200 screen is 16:9 right? |
| 22:56:43 | Bagder | nope |
| 22:56:45 | bertrik | no 176:220 = 4:5 |
| 22:56:57 | EternalRains | 16:20 |
| 22:58:08 | bobrules | so Umm should I convert videos to 4:3 or 16:9 |
| 22:58:35 | scorche|w | bobrules: does the PluginMpegplayer page not tell you? |
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| 22:59:38 | bobrules | I guess there's no difference |
| 22:59:58 | scorche|w | there is a difference.. |
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| 23:00:56 | bobrules | I'll go with 4:3 |
| 23:00:59 | bobrules | sounds better |
| 23:04:55 | bobrules | hey umm does rockbox video look better than OF video? |
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| 23:07:37 | Soap_ | no |
| 23:07:47 | Soap_ | convert videos to best match the source |
| 23:08:47 | bobrules | I have rb on my sansa, does that mean I can use SDHC cards? |
| 23:09:23 | scorche|w | bobrules: please start reading the manual/wikipages/forum |
| 23:09:23 | Soap_ | yes |
| 23:09:43 | bobrules | sorry I can't stand reading manuals |
| 23:09:57 | stripwax | bobrules - then you will probably find we can't be bothered to answer your questions |
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| 23:10:39 | bobrules | I'm jsut excited |
| 23:10:49 | bobrules | yay I got mpg working |
| 23:11:33 | scorche|w | bobrules: if you havent noticed, the channel guidelines (linked in the topic if you havent read them) require you to read the manual and search for the answer to your questions before you ask them |
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| 23:13:24 | bobrules | the screen's too small to watch videos |
| 23:13:56 | stripwax | bobrules - rockbox can't make the screen bigger, sorry |
| 23:14:32 | bobrules | anyone play gb games on rb? |
| 23:14:55 | * | Bagder just looks at bobrules |
| 23:16:35 | bobrules | I have a question, when you dvelop for rockbox, does it matter what player you dvelop for? |
| 23:16:46 | stripwax | yes |
| 23:16:56 | Bagder | and no ;-) |
| 23:17:02 | stripwax | exactly |
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| 23:18:24 | darkredflame | Hmm |
| 23:18:34 | bobrules | anyone using sansa and got album art working on rb, I have a Album Art.jpg for every album, |
| 23:18:38 | darkredflame | Anybody mind helping me with the MPEGPlugin? |
| 23:19:02 | stripwax | bobrules - and you remember that we already told you that album art only works with .bmp, yes? |
| 23:19:04 | Soap_ | darkredflame: what do you need help with which isn't covered in the PluginMpegplayer wiki page? |
| 23:19:30 | * | stripwax wonders if bobrules irc client is write-only |
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| 23:19:37 | darkredflame | Just want to get a basic input |
| 23:19:46 | darkredflame | Upload a .mpeg video onto your Sansa |
| 23:19:56 | darkredflame | And configure it to your plugin? |
| 23:20:00 | darkredflame | And that all? |
| 23:20:17 | Soap_ | I do not understand the question at all darkredflame, do you mind rephrasing it? |
| 23:20:17 | bobrules | and what do I have to name the bmp? |
| 23:20:26 | Soap_ | bobrules: see the manual and the wiki. |
| 23:20:52 | bobrules | album art doesn't only works with custom build eh |
| 23:21:00 | bobrules | only* |
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| 23:21:32 | linuxstb | bobrules: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
| 23:21:50 | bobrules | thank you |
| 23:22:06 | stripwax | bobrules - almost everything you have asked has already been answered in the manual, the wiki, or the forum. If you don't know how to search, tell us, and we will tell you how to search |
| 23:22:08 | darkredflame | Soap: All I do is put a MPEG 1/2 video on my E260 and then use the MPEG plugin? |
| 23:22:35 | bobrules | the wiki doesn't look like wikipedia |
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| 23:22:48 | stripwax | bobrules - rockbox.org doesn't look like google.com |
| 23:22:59 | stripwax | but it still enables you to search |
| 23:23:03 | Soap_ | Dark_Apostrophe: the file must have a maximum resolution no larger than your player's screen size, and the Mpegplayer Plugin is a viewer, you "launch" the file just as if you were using Windows. |
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| 23:23:38 | darkredflame | That what i'm pretty much saying Soap |
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| 23:23:56 | darkredflame | Make a video ratio of the video and use the viewer |
| 23:24:34 | bobrules | can I simply rename a .jpg to .bmp? |
| 23:24:56 | PaulJam_ | bobrules: no |
| 23:25:00 | stripwax | bobrules - did you ever try doing that in Windows? |
| 23:25:00 | darkredflame | Bobrules - No, you need to convert |
| 23:25:23 | darkredflame | Bob - I have a program for you, hold on |
| 23:25:48 | darkredflame | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3196&d=1192057445 |
| 23:26:00 | bobrules | thank you |
| 23:26:05 | darkredflame | That is a picture converter especially made for rockbox players |
| 23:26:07 | bobrules | can anyone explain this line |
| 23:26:09 | bobrules | The pictures can be stored in the same directory (.) as the track or in the parent directory |
| 23:26:17 | stripwax | bobrules - the *bottom* of the wiki page that linuxstb pointed you to tells you exactly what to do |
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| 23:26:47 | linuxstb | bobrules: Which part of that sentence don't you understand? |
| 23:26:49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Soap_: ? |
| 23:26:52 | stripwax | bobrules - that line means "put it in the same directory as your music" |
| 23:26:52 | bobrules | can I put a cover.bmp in the album folder |
| 23:27:08 | bobrules | my music is organized into artist->album->song |
| 23:27:12 | stripwax | bobrules - if it isn't clear, you could always try it, and find out what happens. |
| 23:27:24 | Soap_ | sorry Dark_Apostrophe, I tab completed you instead of darkredflame |
| 23:27:29 | bobrules | nvm |
| 23:27:33 | bobrules | I got it |
| 23:27:37 | stripwax | does nvm mean thanks |
| 23:27:38 | Ranbee | hi, i installed rockbox about one year ago. is there a cui bootloader i can install for it with my 5g? i just have rockbox and the apple firmware. |
| 23:27:45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Soap_: Ah, no probs. :) |
| 23:27:45 | Ranbee | *GUI |
| 23:27:49 | bobrules | thank you |
| 23:28:26 | stripwax | Ranbee - rockbox doesn't have a gui bootloader, sorry. I believe ipodlinux have a gui bootloader but we won't support that here |
| 23:28:29 | bobrules | anything but ipod is racist to ipod? |
| 23:28:42 | Soap_ | Ranbee: check out RBUtilQT, and you need to reinstall the bootloader. |
| 23:28:48 | scorche|w | bobrules: that is offtopic |
| 23:29:01 | Ranbee | OK, thanks for the help :) |
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| 23:32:51 | nanok | bobrules: please understand this is a developer channel, the big guys use it to actually discuss about coding for rockbox, and make it better. we (mortals such as me and you) try to keep our voices as low as possible, to keep the signal/noice ratio as high as possible for them |
| 23:34:02 | scorche|w | we dont mind giving out support at all as long as the people asking for support are willing to listen to us, read and follow our guidelines, and read the documentation we have written for them |
| 23:34:10 | bobrules | how often should I update my rockbox? |
| 23:34:17 | scorche|w | s often as you want |
| 23:35:17 | bobrules | some themes require custom build, so I can't use it with current build eh |
| 23:35:28 | stripwax | there are plenty of themes that work with current build |
| 23:35:43 | bobrules | but themes with album art |
| 23:36:27 | stripwax | bobrules - some of the themes might work unmodified on the current build, otherwise you can make your own |
| 23:36:44 | stripwax | what device do you have? |
| 23:36:52 | bobrules | sansa e250 |
| 23:38:42 | stripwax | are the e200 themes on rockbox-themes.org the same as for the 250? I don't know sanse devices |
| 23:38:57 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:38:59 | stripwax | if so, e.g. KratoSky2 would probably work |
| 23:39:03 | nanok | stripwax: e200 means all e2x0, so yes |
| 23:39:11 | stripwax | k |
| 23:39:14 | stripwax | ok |
| 23:40:03 | bobrules | it says custom build though |
| 23:40:15 | bobrules | I'm trying EasyBlue |
| 23:41:26 | stripwax | bobrules - album art was only recently (a few weeks) added to the custom builds, so any build older than that has not been updated recently. if it works you can tell people that it works, sound good? |
| 23:41:32 | nanok | bobrules: album art has recently been included in mainstream. some porting work is needed for most themes to work with it though, you might even help with that, i understand it is not that hard. but you _must_ read the manual(s) and do a bit of playing for yourself first, and read the guidelines |
| 23:42:46 | dionoea | howdy |
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| 23:45:49 | bobrules | let me see if album art works |
| 23:46:09 | darkredflame | Sigh |
| 23:46:12 | darkredflame | That didnt work |
| 23:46:51 | bobrules | damn I forgot to rename the bmp |
| 23:46:55 | bobrules | now i have to re connect |
| 23:47:04 | darkredflame | Same here bo |
| 23:47:05 | darkredflame | bob* |
| 23:47:37 | bobrules | make sure you resize it to 110*100 |
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| 23:48:07 | darkredflame | I resize my to 150x150 always |
| 23:48:31 | bobrules | what theme are you trying? |
| 23:48:41 | darkredflame | Iphone |
| 23:49:09 | bobrules | it requires custom build |
| 23:49:26 | darkredflame | I know |
| 23:49:33 | darkredflame | I have my own build |
| 23:49:43 | nanok | bobrules: darkredflame http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines |
| 23:49:59 | nanok | please read it.. |
| 23:50:04 | bobrules | sorry |
| 23:50:06 | bobrules | my bad |
| 23:50:53 | bobrules | I confirm that Easy blue shows album art using regular current build |
| 23:51:35 | darkredflame | The themes that have album art are supposed to show you it bob |
| 23:51:35 | darkredflame | :P |
| 23:51:50 | bobrules | I thought it was impossible |
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| 23:52:47 | darkredflame | How would it be impossible? |
| 23:52:56 | darkredflame | If the theme supports album art |
| 23:53:02 | darkredflame | And have a holder for the image |
| 23:53:11 | darkredflame | It should show up automatically |
| 23:53:24 | stripwax | darkredflame - because as discussed moments ago, not all themes work with the regular daily build |
| 23:53:48 | darkredflame | Oh, thought he said custom build |
| 23:53:54 | darkredflame | My eyes are getting worse |
| 23:54:15 | bobrules | do you think resizing matters? |
| 23:54:45 | stripwax | darkredflame - primarily this irc channel should always be about the regular build |
| 23:54:55 | scorche|w | bobrules: well, rockbox doesnt support bmp resizing, so if you want a certain size, you will have to resize it beforehand |
| 23:55:06 | bobrules | ok |
| 23:55:58 | darkredflame | Bob - When resizing just make sure the image is fixed |
| 23:56:12 | darkredflame | That the only big thing that matters with resizing |
| 23:56:24 | bobrules | fixed? |
| 23:56:33 | darkredflame | Fixed ratio |
| 23:56:34 | darkredflame | 1:1 |
| 23:56:41 | darkredflame | Example: 150x150 |
| 23:56:56 | darkredflame | You dont want the orginial image to be 600x600 |
| 23:57:03 | darkredflame | And you resize it to 200x250 |
| 23:57:19 | darkredflame | The image will not be a fixed ratio anymore |
| 23:57:25 | bobrules | I'm resizing it to 110*100 |
| 23:57:31 | stripwax | why 110x100? |
| 23:57:32 | bobrules | the theme tells me to do that |
| 23:57:49 | darkredflame | What theme? |
| 23:57:56 | bobrules | easyblue |
| 23:58:13 | stripwax | it says 110x110 not 110x100 |
| 23:58:41 | bobrules | oh |
| 23:58:44 | bobrules | my eys are going bad |
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