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#rockbox log for 2007-11-23

00:00:27jmspeexpreglow: I mean that the pack funcitons clear the bytes themselves instead of relying on the bits being already cleared.
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00:03:39Zagoradvcomp2019: so what happens? do you get the charging animation?
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00:05:04preglowjmspeex: speex really doesn't have too much pointer fanciness, seeing which is needed is usually just a matter of looking at the arguments
00:05:37 Quit PaulJam (".")
00:05:53jmspeexpreglow: unless pointers alias. Did you check that. For example, in sb_celp, I reuse the input array as temp data
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00:06:12preglowthat's what i meant, really, and i didn't see too much of it
00:06:15preglowand no, i didn't notice that
00:06:25advcomp2019Zagor, after about 20 to 30 minutes of charging the percentage of battery life does not move 1%
00:06:44preglowbut, sure, %s/_COPY_/MOVE/g and you should be good to go
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00:10:17preglowjmspeex: well, just removing that loop works fine for me
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00:12:29RaZorbacKhello it may have been discussed but i've just made a voice file with the new speex codec and every messages of my menus end with a slash. is there a workaround ?
00:13:55preglowRaZorbacK: what do you mean end with a slash?
00:13:58preglow"Settings slash"
00:14:02preglow"Recording settings slash"
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00:14:21RaZorbacKpreglow: nes
00:14:53preglowwhat engine? what lang?
00:15:22RaZorbacKfrench : virginie from scansoft and english : paul from neospeech
00:16:40preglowwell, i have no idea
00:16:43preglowdoesn't happen here
00:18:08linuxstbamiconn: Blame me for that detection method.
00:18:50amiconnlinuxstb: Where did you get that from? RE?
00:19:48linuxstbExperimentation with barrywardell's usb debug plugin.
00:23:46Zagorbtw has anyone looked into why system_reboot() doesn't work on sansas?
00:24:29RaZorbacKdamn! think thiss slash issue has been discussed on the list but can't find it anymore
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00:27:33frawfrawi'm running an ipod color photo w/ current nightly build. i just installed and now I can't reconnect to the PC
00:27:35frawfrawany ideas?
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00:28:04Zagoradvcomp2019: on my c200 the battery rushes rather rapidly from 80 to 100.
00:28:32pixelmaZagor: what should system_reboot() do?
00:28:50RaZorbacKpreglow: have you heard about this slash issue? sory to insist....
00:28:51*Llorean will have a c200 soon.
00:28:58Zagorpixelma: how do you mean? reboot?
00:29:38preglowRaZorbacK: i have not, no
00:29:47pixelmareboot to OF on USB plug?
00:30:14RaZorbacKi'm gonna try to clean my source folder....
00:30:23sirstunWho do I ask for TWiki edit permission?
00:30:29frawfrawwhat is the shutdown keystroke on an iPod?
00:30:39Zagorpixelma: system_reboot is the firmware function that performs a reboot. it doesn't work on sansa. or at least it didn't last I tried.
00:30:40*amiconn already built loads of voice files, all without "slash"
00:31:04Zagorpixelma: and hence we can't reboot on usb plugin
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00:31:27linuxstbfrawfraw: USB detection is currently broken. You need to manually boot into disk mode or the original Apple firmware.
00:31:37pixelmaZagor: it works for me half of the time (as I said earlier)
00:31:55frawfrawhm, can I install a previous version that works?
00:31:57amiconnZagor: Afaik it did work, after low_light found the necessary magic
00:32:14Zagoramiconn: aha, nice. so we should enable it then.
00:32:46amiconnI thought it already was enabled??
00:32:48pixelma(just put it wrong). But it gets stuck on the Rockbox USB screen like on the Ipods but it isn't so obvious because the backlight turns off
00:33:03Zagoramiconn: I mean boot-on-usb-connect on sansa
00:33:09Zagorreboot, even
00:33:13amiconnyes, sure
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00:33:35pixelmaZagor: I only remember that there were differences with low_light's and my c200, that's why there was a second commit
00:33:37ZagorI am silly... it's not enabled in my code :)
00:34:15ZagorI should probably sleep more
00:34:18sirstunHi. I'm Spencer. I'm asking for permission to edit the TWiki now that I've registered
00:34:34amiconnAhahaha: I just got a reeeeaaallly nice speed test result from test_codec: 13,168% !
00:34:48Zagorsirstun: what is your twiki username?
00:34:50amiconn(aka something is broken with the codec)
00:34:51advcomp2019Zagor, yea but if you use OF on my e200 for about 20 to 30 minutes it raises the battery life about 5 to 10 percent but in rockbox it does not get a charge now.. before you added the new usb stack i got about 1%
00:35:18Zagoradvcomp2019: strange
00:35:24amiconn(one second to decode a 133 second speex file)
00:35:43frawfrawon the nightly build, is the only way to shut down to switch to original firmware and then shut down from there?
00:36:01frawfrawmy rockbox autoreboots whenever I try to long press the play key
00:36:13amiconnWhat target?
00:36:19jmspeexamiconn: that's pretty fast. What CPU?
00:36:21frawfrawipod photo color
00:36:23Zagorsirstun: done. welcome!
00:36:30amiconnjmspeex: It's a bug....
00:36:53amiconnfrawfraw: Hmm. The photo should shut down from rockbox when holding Play
00:37:11linuxstbfrawfraw: Do you have usb connected?
00:37:14Zagorpixelma: how is charging working for you?
00:37:22frawfrawthat might do it, huh
00:37:39pixelmaZagor: haven't updated yet
00:37:40linuxstbfrawfraw: And yes - if you install today's "daily build", then usb detection will work.
00:38:16jmspeexamiconn: Too bad. Though I'm sure it's possible on some fast embedded CPUs/DSP
00:38:46frawfrawlinuxstb: is there a cross compiler for rockbox components or will cygwin gcc g++ work
00:38:57amiconnlinuxstb: Maybe test_codec doesn't check whether the codec returns an error?
00:39:11amiconn(or even doesn't load because of api version mismatch)
00:39:37linuxstbfrawfraw: You need gcc built as a cross-compiler (for ARM in the case of the ipods). The Rockbox wiki page "CrossCompiler" has instructions.
00:40:10amiconnfrawfraw: If you want to use cygwin, we have crosscompiler packages
00:40:12Robin0800linuxstb,except it does not work on the ipod video if plugeg in to usb it ddoes not boot to disc mode and there is no charging
00:40:35frawfrawlinuxstb: arm huh, i wonder if I can cross compile to NokiaS60 ...
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00:42:01*amiconn wonders what the speex license is
00:44:12amiconnpreglow: Putting the contents filters_arm4.S into iram on PP5002 does have an effect, but not as much as I would have expected
00:44:27amiconn300% -> 340% for wb -q4 vbr
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00:46:25jmspeexamiconn: BSD
00:47:27frawfrawhow many active developers work on rockbox currently
00:48:20krazykitfrawfraw, depends on your definition of developers.
00:48:45krazykitif you mean those with SVN access, or if you mean them + people who post patches to the tracker, and so on
00:49:10frawfrawa) "active" patchers to the core system
00:49:21frawfrawb) total active patchers to all the extra stuff
00:50:23LloreanYou can see how many total people have ever contributed by reading the CREDITS file.
00:50:54kfazzZagor: i've been messing around with usb storage and some cool thigns came up in dmesg
00:52:03Zagorkfazz: yeah that's about how far it works right now
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00:52:33kfazzsansa froze after that
00:55:09RaZorbacKok no more slashs after a source clean up ...
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01:00:12*DerPapst just rockboxed his e250R :)
01:00:55amiconnpreglow: Compare that with the 460% the same file reaches on PP5022...
01:01:27DerPapstlets get rid of those *.rdx files.. they take 950MB space on a 2GB player...
01:01:36DerPapsti don't even know what they are
01:02:08krazykitDerPapst, the crummy rhapsody songs
01:02:22preglowamiconn: way better than nothing
01:02:25DerPapstamiconn: have to charge by 3Gs first to test a current rockbox build
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01:02:51preglowamiconn: i think speex uses some kind of bsd style license
01:03:02DerPapstkrazykit: ah realy? i thought they are in /music/interpret/song.mp3
01:03:35preglowamiconn: anyway, there's still more asm to be written for speex
01:03:41DerPapstkrazykit: but the *.rdx ones appear in /system/music
01:03:47krazykitno, that's the "edgy" music they preload on there that isn't protected by DRM :P
01:03:52preglowthe highpass is next on my list, but i should probably try to rewrite iir_mem16 to use direct form 1 first
01:04:13jmworxpreglow: how much speed did you gain through asm?
01:04:22Zagorkfazz: what player is that by the way?
01:04:41DerPapstkrazykit: so they're basicly the same songs?
01:04:43preglowjmworx: a fair deal, but depends on the platform
01:04:55preglowjmworx: qmf_synth() was the biggest gain
01:05:00jmworxlike 20% or like 50%
01:05:03preglowjmworx: quite understandably, i guess
01:05:24jmworxmanaged to replace the qmf with an IIR filter?
01:05:30preglowjmworx: i can't really remember, i can do a quick test, would coldfire or arm be more interesting?
01:05:30krazykitDerPapst, no, but you probably don't want any of them
01:05:41preglowjmworx: nope, didn't try too hard, really
01:05:55preglowi need to finish other stuff i have going before i start new things
01:06:33DerPapstkrazykit: the OF only showed me those in /music but not those in /system/music if they aren't the same
01:06:46krazykitDerPapst, you obviously didn't check the Rhapsody channels
01:06:52jmworxpreglow: Both would be interesting :-)
01:07:29kfazzsansa e280
01:07:44preglowjmworx: both coming up
01:09:21advcomp2019Zagor, i just tested it again for about 30 minutes and it still does not charge.. so i do not know what is going on still
01:10:30amiconnpreglow: Btw, those functions take 960 bytes of iram. Should I just put an #if/#else into the .S file?
01:11:02preglowamiconn: hrmrmrmr
01:11:07preglowamiconn: well, yeah, do that for now
01:11:19Zagoradvcomp2019: I don't know either. we need more testers.
01:11:24amiconnDo you have a better idea?
01:11:26preglowamiconn: i doubt they benefit coldfire or pp502x much, they're very loop based and should be cached nnicely
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01:11:36preglowamiconn: no better ideas, no
01:12:12advcomp2019DerPapst could test it
01:12:25preglowamiconn: btw, people say speex voice is much more responsive than the old voice engine, so i guess all the old swapping clutter did impact performance somewhat
01:12:35n1sadvcomp2019: does rockbox detect the connection at all? it could be that the host cuts power to the port...
01:12:50amiconnVery possible. I do have the same impression, btw
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01:13:16advcomp2019n1s, rockbox does see the connection
01:13:21preglowjmworx: what kind of mode do you want me to benchmark?
01:13:54preglowamiconn: yeah, i think so myself, it just works much more like it should now
01:13:55n1sadvcomp2019: does the sansa of have any settings for "usb hub" mode or something similar?
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01:15:43jmworxpreglow: can you do wb and nb?
01:15:44advcomp2019n1s, what do you mean.. i did not know there was a setting to change to charge in rockbox mode
01:16:04jmworxpreglow: bit-rate doesn't really matter
01:16:13preglowjmworx: i can
01:16:32n1sadvcomp2019: in the _OF_ ? i know that used to affect usb charging on h300 so it could be usefull to know
01:16:33preglowjmworx: i'll do q8 vbr for all of them
01:18:11advcomp2019n1s, i have the OF in MSC mode
01:18:45n1sadvcomp2019: yes, but does it have any settings related to usb other than that? also might be good to check the rockbox setting...
01:18:51amiconnZagor: red once more...
01:19:08advcomp2019n1s, there is no other settings
01:19:09Zagoramiconn: yeah, it's obviously too late for me now...
01:19:20advcomp2019in OF
01:20:05kfazz*PANIC* Stkov (0) ... fun
01:20:08n1sadvcomp2019: and "Charge during USB connection" is enabled in rockbox (i think that setting is available for the sansa)
01:20:47advcomp2019n1s, i do not remember that in the manual but i will look again
01:20:53preglowjmworx: ok, for arm, these are the performance gains from optimizing signal_mul, mem_iir16 and qmf_synth, for uwb, wb and nb: 76%, 50%, 10%
01:21:37n1sadvcomp2019: general settings -> system -> battery
01:21:39jmworxpreglow: you mean you made uwb 4x faster!!!
01:22:13preglowthere must be some misunderstanding here :P
01:22:24preglowwouldn't 100% mean 2x faster?
01:22:27jmworxyou you mean a factor of 1.76?
01:22:33advcomp2019n1s, i do not have that in my menu
01:22:39jmworxwell, if you cut time by 76%, it's 4x faster :-)
01:22:57preglowjmworx: those numbers are calculated from (newruntime-oldruntime)/oldruntime*100
01:23:01n1sadvcomp2019: ok, guess it's a spanking new bug then :)
01:23:05preglowjmworx: 100% means it's twice as fast
01:23:16jmworxpreglow: BTW, how do you enable/disable the assembly based on the platforms and compile options?
01:24:04preglowjmworx: hacky :/ right now i just disabled compilation of filters_arm4.S and disbled some OVERRIDE_ defines
01:24:52jmworxpreglow: if you use (newruntime-oldruntime)/oldruntime*100, then 100% means instantaneous
01:25:01Lloreanjmworx: We work in % realtime. A 76% increase means we can decode 176 seconds of audio in 100 second of real time, not that it takes 76% less time. :)
01:25:19LloreanRather, a 76% increase from a base of 100
01:25:55LloreanAt least, if it's on test-codec output
01:26:08jmworxLlorean: Ok, ok, I've had high school maths you know.
01:26:17preglowwell, it really is (newrtpercentage-oldrtpercentage)/oldrtpercentage*100
01:26:18advcomp2019n1s, i looked at an old build it did not have that in the menu too
01:26:23preglowthese are test codec runs, yes
01:26:51preglowjmworx: ok, coldfire coming up, i can give you straight performance figures to eliminate confusion here
01:26:58jmworxpreglow: percentage is proportional to 1/time. Anyway, I understand what you meant
01:27:18n1sadvcomp2019: I mean that you are experiencing a new bug not that the menu entry missing is one (although it probably should be made available it wouln't help you now :))
01:27:25Lloreanjmworx: I was more just clarifying the terms that tend to get used here. There is still the problem of "does 3% more speed" mean 3% more beyond realtime, or 1.03 times the previous result.
01:27:46advcomp2019n1s, o ok
01:29:00n1sLlorean: whichever sounds better :) 500%->600% is still a 100% increase! :P
01:29:54Lloreann1s: We should have a "codec efficiency description" standard. :-P
01:30:18jmworxLlorean: it's not different than speech recognition score.
01:30:58n1sLlorean: of course, and a complete guide for running bechmarks :P
01:30:59jmworxWhere 90% to 95% can be either explained as a 5% reduction in errors or a 50% reduction in errors!
01:31:15jmworx(to disambiguate, they say "absolute" or "relative"
01:31:31Zagori'm off to bed before I do any more quick fixes...
01:31:39Lloreanjmworx: That'd work here too then
01:31:41preglowbut they're so entertaining! :P
01:31:54kfazzzagor: between usbstack and OF the sector count is off by one. is that normal?
01:32:00LloreanAn absolute 5% gain would be 200->205% realtime, and a relative would be 200->210% right?
01:32:27preglowjmworx: coldfire, same functions, same file mode order: 222.48% -> 446.45%, 439.81% -> 685.56%, 975.07% -> 1027.82%, percentages are % realtime
01:32:49preglowjmworx: like you see, coldfire loves qmf_synth, hates iir_mem16, but that will probably change when i reimplement it as df1
01:33:14jmworxpreglow: not bad
01:33:27Zagorkfazz: no that sounds wrong. look at usb_storage.c:230 and compare with the scsi and ata specifications
01:33:28preglowthe qmf_synth function is really tight on both arm and coldfire, though
01:33:30jmworxthe arm is 7tdmi?
01:33:34preglowjmworx: aye
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01:34:14Zagorkfazz: uh, :226 even.
01:34:22jmworxpreglow: Think the functions are translatable to gcc inline asm?
01:34:35preglowjmworx: well, sure, you'd just need to remove all the stack bunging
01:34:49*n1s hates inline asm urg
01:34:56preglown1s: me too :/
01:34:57jmworxpreglow: I mean in terms of register usage?
01:35:11preglowjmworx: in terms of register usage, i really don't know, gcc is too weird
01:35:15preglowjmworx: i use all registers i canm
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01:35:41jmworx...or I could convert everything to regular asm, but I'm not sure how to do that cleanly
01:36:00preglowjmworx: well, at least you're in the clear for arm
01:36:08pixelmaXavierGr: around?
01:36:17preglowjmworx: though endian stuff might need to be adjustable by a macro or something, i pretty much assume little endian now
01:36:38jmworxpreglow: Is endianness relavant at all in these functions???
01:36:51preglowjmworx: sure, instead of loading one and one 16 bit value, i load two at a time if i can
01:37:18preglowjmworx: in arm, always avoid doing loads
01:37:18jmworxand let me guess... ARM is dual-endian?
01:37:25jmworxwhat about ColdFire
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01:37:31preglowjmworx: originally little endian, but these days it can do both
01:37:37preglowjmworx: coldfire is strictly be
01:37:54jmworxbe or le?
01:37:59preglowbig endian
01:38:14preglowjmworx: arm is the dual endian one
01:38:19jmworxah, you meant "originally little endian, but these days it can do both" for ARM? (was confused)
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01:38:36amiconnBut arm be seems to be rarely used
01:38:52preglowjmworx: i use the same trick in coldfire to very good effect, since the coldfire mac unit directly supports specifying lower or upper parts of registers as operands, much like the arm5 mul instructions do
01:39:05preglowamiconn: yeah, i haven't seen it ever, actually
01:39:08preglowi just know it's possible
01:39:16jmworxpreglow: yeah, the Blackfin does that as well
01:39:40jmworxpreglow: what do you do about alignment?
01:39:46preglowjmworx: assume it :)
01:40:08jmworxright, you're not using DF1 yet...
01:40:09preglowjmworx: honestly, though, that's not a risky part at all, all arrays should be aligned by their data type size, and that's all i assume, afaik
01:40:09linuxstbI think some iriver ARM firmwares are big-endian, can't remember which though.
01:40:48jmworxpreglow: yes, I was going to say you can safely assume at least 4-byte alignment everywhere
01:40:49preglowjmworx: why would that be troublesome with df1?
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01:41:29jmworxpreglow: it's a bit trickier because your input is "unaligned" for every other iteration
01:41:56*linuxstb tests the latest SVN on his ipod - still no usb detection...
01:42:45amiconnLatest svn doesn't build for ipods...
01:42:45preglowjmworx: that reminds me, if i do port some asm to use df1, should i change the _mem16 memory type to 16 bit, or just cast the 32 bit memories to 16 bit internally?
01:43:05amiconn(unless there's another commit that didn't show up yet due to the hung build
01:43:17jmworxpreglow: the main function you probably want to do now is interp_pitch()
01:43:36jmworxpreglow: to give you an idea of how much you can save, try disabling the enhancement
01:44:15DerPapstadvcomp2019: test what USB stuff? i guess i can do but my devenv is not available currently ;)
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01:44:18jmworxpreglow: the _mem16 functions really require 32-bit memory because the memory needs to be DT2T-compatible
01:44:31jmworx(to within a scaling factor)
01:44:35*amiconn wonders what df1 means
01:44:41jmworx"direct form 1"
01:45:00jmworxDF2T = "direct form 2 transposed"
01:45:01linuxstbamiconn: Ah, Zagor reverted his commit before going to bed...
01:45:25advcomp2019DerPapst, i was having issues with the new usb stack not charging my e200 in rockbox
01:45:59preglowamiconn: just other ways of doing the same filtering thing
01:46:25DerPapstbut did rockbox show some kind of charging animation?
01:46:54preglowamiconn: like df1 is good for fixed point archs with good multiply-accumulate instructions, which is why i use that in the eq
01:47:14preglowamiconn: but speex uses tdf2, since that requires less memory and expressed elegantly in c
01:47:33advcomp2019DerPapst, mine shows it is connected but does not charge tho
01:48:55DerPapsthmmhm... i guess i can only test that with connecting the sansa to my pc and watch the battery drain?
01:50:07*DerPapst looks to watch and realizes that it's already 1:48am D:
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01:55:43DerPapstnight all
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02:03:07JdGordonwhat happened to the build server killing itself if the build takes longer than 20min?
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02:23:01bobrulesI just installed rcokbox on my sansa e200
02:23:16bobrulesI need help
02:23:38bobrulesI still can't read chinese on rockbox
02:23:38advcomp2019bobrules, what do you need help with
02:23:47bobruleswhere do I change the setting
02:24:19bobruleschinese characters shows weird boxes
02:24:22advcomp2019are the tags in unicode
02:24:39bobrulesI don't know
02:24:44markunbobrules: which font are you using?
02:24:54bobruleshow do I tell
02:25:00bobrulesI just used the full installation
02:25:17markunnot many of the fonts support chinese
02:25:24markunyou can try "unifont"
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02:25:50bobrulesso I change the font?
02:26:11safetydanbobrules: is possibly also useful to you
02:26:22bobrulesthe tags are id3v1
02:27:12bobruleswhen I switched to unifont
02:27:23bobruleshaldf of my chinese songs are normal
02:27:27pixelmathen you need to set the default codepage too, if I understand correctly
02:27:33bobrulesthe rest are still messed up
02:28:49pixelmasettings > general settings > display > default codepage
02:29:08bobruleswhat do I change it to, chinese or unicode?
02:30:36pixelmathat depends on how they were created, I don't think id3v1 tags can be unicode though
02:31:55bobrulesthe non working ones show up as werid symbols
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02:33:27bobrulesso is unicode good or bad
02:34:03safetydanbobrules: unicode makes some things easier. If you read the page I linked earlier it might clear things up for you.
02:35:02bobrulescan I convert songs into unicode?
02:36:41safetydanbobrules: you can convert the tags to unicode yes
02:36:48bobruleswith mp3 tag?
02:36:55pixelmaI just saw something about it on said wiki page ;) but I'm off, good luck
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02:37:34alienbiker99so is usb implemented now, or is it still commented out?
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02:38:34safetydanbobrules: sure
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02:44:08Falco98happy thanksgiving =)
02:44:13Falco98anyone around this evening?
02:48:14Falco98if anyone ends up seeing this after i'm gone: my g/f is having a pretty serious issue with her 4g ipod greyscale... she posted about it, but hasn't gotten any replies yet...
02:49:16bobruleswhat program?
02:50:33bobrulesconvert unicode
02:52:03Falco98oh, you're talking about something from before i joined, sry
02:52:45safetydanbobrules: that page gives some suggestions to try.
02:53:26safetydanFalco98: get her to try scandisk/chkdsk it might be filesystem corruption
02:54:19Falco98ok, though i think she may have done that previously
02:54:23bobrulesmp3tag works right?
02:54:36bobrulesbtw, does rock box support album picture yet?
02:54:56Falco98bobrules: certain builds do, i think
02:55:17krazykitbobrules, Falco98, it was comitted recently
02:55:28Falco98ooh, nice =)
02:55:45bobrulesunicode is utf-8 what's utf-16?
02:56:23safetydanbobrules: utf-8 and utf-16 are encodings of Unicode. Generally you'd use utf-8
02:56:52Falco98does Album Picture only work on Color targets, i guess?
02:57:07safetydanFalco98: should work on any bitmap target including grayscale ones
02:57:18bobrulesdo I convert to ID3 or APE?v2
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02:57:37Falco98what's the source of the album picture? does it use a specifically-named jpg file in the album directory or something?
02:57:43safetydanbobrules: Rockbox does not support APE tags so use ID3
02:58:07safetydanFalco98: bitmap file see
03:01:45bobrulesanyone know how to convert tags into unicode using mp3 tags?
03:01:55Falco98safetydan: she's gonna run a chkdsk now... we'll see what happens
03:03:17safetydanbobrules: google is your friend
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03:05:53bobrulesok if I want to add songs how do I switch back to the original firmware
03:06:01bobrulesI want to use the USB to make some changes
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03:06:57jpt9so what's up with the new USB stack? what exactly does it do? (I have a Sansa e250; it showed up as a "Digital audio player", which Vista doesn't have drivers for. Is this just for charging?
03:07:29LloreanIt's still in-progress work
03:07:55bobrulesoh cool when I plug in, rockbox auto disable itself
03:08:48bobrulesis it normal?
03:09:01jpt9what do you mean by "auto disable"?
03:09:24jpt9afaik, it's always stopped the music and brought up a USB screen on my Sansa e250.
03:09:26bobrulesit goes into the original firmawre
03:09:45jpt9it auto-reboots *while you're running rockbox*?!
03:09:47jpt9that's cool.
03:09:54bobrulesit was off
03:09:57bobruleswhen I pugged it in
03:09:59jpt9i know.
03:10:23Lloreanjpt9: The iPods reboot when you plug in USB, and go into the Apple disk mode. Players with working USB of course just use that.
03:10:29LloreanMany players turn on when USB is inserted.
03:11:19bobrulesdoes rockbox work differently on different players?
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03:11:51LloreanNot really
03:12:03LloreanSometimes a feature doesn't work all the way because we don't have full support for parts of its hardware yet.
03:12:12LloreanOr of course, things like Radio are missing on players without Radios.
03:12:19bobrulesi'm running on sansa
03:12:21LloreanBut in general it works as similarly as is reasonably possible.
03:12:50bobruleswhy can't rockbox look similar to original firmware?
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03:13:21LloreanBecause nobody's programmed support for the visual effects necessary to do so?
03:13:50bobrulesrockbox reminds me of psp custom firmware
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03:14:02LloreanRockbox looks like Rockbox. A lot of its visual design comes from its origins on monochrome players, and players with text based displays. But there's also the simple fact that more time goes into useful features than eye candy.
03:14:39LloreanThe people who want lots of shiny effects rarely are willing to actually work on them.
03:14:49bobruleswhat's cross fade I don't know how to configure it
03:14:55LloreanRead the manual
03:15:43safetydanbobrules: you can customise the appearance of Rockbox
03:16:29bobruleswhy does wma have no tag type
03:16:31Lloreansafetydan: But the Sansa has a semi-graphical menu as its main menu, impossible to replicate with the current feature set.
03:17:03Lloreanbobrules: I believe the tag type is only really to differentiate between ID3v1 and v2
03:17:45bobruleshows the gb emulator on rockbox ?
03:18:03jpt9you guys and the songbird guys should get together and rig up songbird to use the rockbox database runtime data.
03:18:15safetydanLlorean: true. I'm still "stuck" with the grayscale h120 interface. I wasn't aware the newer players were getting shiny interfaces.
03:18:36Lloreansafetydan: We have colored icons now, and colored filenames based on extension.
03:18:40LloreanNothing particularly thrilling yet.
03:18:57Lloreanjpt9: They hardly need anything from us for that, it'd entirely be something on their side
03:19:26Lloreanjpt9: In fact, our code is designed to be semi-easily usable in other apps for that purpose, I think. There's even a not-working-at-the-moment stand-alone database generator example, I think
03:19:45jpt9that'd actually be useful −− having the ability to generate databases on the computer.
03:20:13bobruleswhat kind of tag do I need to have in order for rockbox to display chinese?
03:20:26jpt9what if you extended the database_skip mechanism so you could dedicate parts of the database that the computer would index, and the player would just leave the computer's index alone (for C64 music, for example)...
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03:34:20jpt9are there any still-in-production non-ipod hard drive-based players that support rockbox?
03:35:21LloreanNot even the iPods are still in production
03:35:45jpt9i know that.
03:36:13jpt9from what I can tell, the Sandisk flash players are the only ones that are still being made...
03:36:16LloreanThen the non-ipod part of your statement was kinda unnecessary, wasn't it?
03:36:30LloreanThe sansas *possibly* aren't even still made.
03:36:32jpt9good point...
03:36:54LloreanSince there's now the definite version 2 of the c200, and probably v2 of the e200 using apparently different hardware, or at least, different firmware setups
03:37:25Soapv2 of e200?
03:37:42jpt9the page for the sansa e280 on amazon doesn't mention anything about audible...
03:37:47Soapdang, I had figured they were just discontinuing the e200 all 'round.
03:37:55Falco98have there been any breakthroughs yet in the cracking of the Ipod Classics?
03:38:11Soapno attempts either
03:38:13LloreanSoap: People at abi are claiming to have a new generation of the hardware that's incompatible
03:38:55LloreanI'd kinda assumed they were going to give up on the e200 series for the various newer flash players they're making
03:38:58Falco98i saw a post somewhere that someone had gotten a bootloader to run on an ipod classic −− just not a rockbox one
03:39:08Soapthey lied
03:39:13LloreanFalco98: As far as we know, at least, nobody's cracked the encryption.
03:39:49Soapor documented a serious attempt.
03:40:02Falco98i'll try to find the post i'm thinking of... not sure where it was
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03:59:45safetydanFalco98: defrag maybe? Just seems unlikely to be Rockbox specific problem but more something to do with the filesystem or drive. How does it behave in the OF?
04:00:13Falco98she can't really tell, there are no ipod-original files left on it to test with
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04:11:45JdGordonbugger! I cant do a commit today which I was hoping to because the build system is dead again :(
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04:39:45Llorean190 minutes and counting. =/
04:40:27JdGordonand at least 5 hours before its fixed
04:40:52LloreanWhat were you gonna be committing?
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04:42:42JdGordonreworking the list code so only the drawing part cares about multiple screens
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04:43:03JdGordonim hoping it will bring a decent delta and possibly a speed boost...
04:45:18LloreanAlways good
04:45:32LloreanAlso a step closer to viewports perhaps?
04:45:45JdGordonprobably not..
04:46:27JdGordonif it happens the way linuxstb wrote up, it wont be such a big deal to get them working with the existing code
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04:50:16class37is there a timeline on porting to 5th gen ipods... i have nano 8gig
04:51:11LloreanRockbox runs on the 5th gen iPod. The Nano 8gig is either a 2nd or 3rd generation of the Nano line, NOT a 5th gen iPod.
04:51:30class37thank you
04:51:35LloreanAs well, there are never timelines. You can't predict these things, but of course, until someone who owns one actually works on it, nothing will happne.
04:52:03class37how big a job is it?
04:52:27JdGordon> < that big!
04:52:46JdGordonin comparisson... the pyramids were only > < that big
04:53:03Lloreanclass37: It requires people with knowledge of embedded programming, and someone to figure out how to get past the encryption, at the very least
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05:09:05Spankyhey everyone
05:09:41Spankyis anyone here?
05:10:32Spankyhi llorean
05:10:34safetydanThere's 135 people in the channel. Whether they're physically "here" is a philosophical question with many answers.
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05:11:15Spankywell i figured i would come here to ask a question about my ipod photo
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05:12:06LloreanWell, this channel is for Rockbox support
05:12:49Spankyi have looked around for "unsupported" builds to allow album artwork and i found the jbuild but its pretty old and doesn't have the features of the new current builds... are there any custom builds for my older ipod?
05:14:22LloreanWell, Rockbox supports Album Art now
05:14:49Spankyoh really? how do i go about getting it on my photo?
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05:16:53Spankyyou, llorean, you are a all-knowing god
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05:24:13alienbiker99is the usb stack just a replacement of the old one?
05:24:52Spankyis there an easy way (besides patching) to change the boot logo on my ipod photo? I really like the one Julius did.
05:25:22Llorean No
05:27:02Spankyand a continuation on the album artwork, will that show up in a wps? if so, what wps' are there that have artwork in them. i dont believe i saw any on rockbox
05:28:18Dark_ApostropheI've got a Gigabeat F20
05:28:20krazykitcheck the WPS galleries. there are several with album art support. some of them should work with svn
05:28:48Dark_ApostropheIn the last two daily binaries, I've had a problem mounting the player to the computer
05:28:55Spankythey say that they require the album artwork patch, margins and other patches... will they still work?
05:29:03Dark_ApostropheIt doesn't work when Rockbox is running, but bootloader USB mode works just fine
05:29:08Dark_Apostrophedmesg output ^
05:29:35Dark_ApostropheThe first part is when rockbox was running, then at the end, I disconnected it and powercycled into bootloader USB mode
05:30:51LloreanDark_Apostrophe: Why are you using dailies and not SVN current?
05:31:08Dark_ApostropheCause that's what rbutilqt installs, isn't it?
05:31:25LloreanWhat SVN revision is the newest one you've tested it with?
05:31:34LloreanWe ask that people not report things they haven't verified with a current version.
05:32:35Dark_ApostropheOkay, I'll update it with rbutilqt, ok?
05:33:12LloreanUsing the current build link, not the archived build
05:33:19Dark_ApostropheI do
05:33:29LloreanWell current builds are not dailies...
05:33:59Dark_ApostropheOkay, my bad
05:34:16Dark_ApostropheAnyway, I just updated it. I got this when connecting it to USB after rebooting it
05:34:18Dark_ApostropheBuffer I/O error on device sdd1, logical block 10676
05:34:18Dark_Apostrophelost page write due to I/O error on sdd1
05:34:18Dark_ApostropheBuffer I/O error on device sdd1, logical block 68955
05:34:18DBUGEnqueued KICK Dark_Apostrophe
05:34:18Dark_Apostrophelost page write due to I/O error on sdd1
05:35:07LloreanAnd is there a build that does work?
05:35:33Dark_ApostropheWell, prior to the day before yesterday, the last time I updated it was saturday
05:35:51Dark_ApostropheIt worked just fine until that
05:37:14SpankyWhile searching for a wps to display album artwork I found a dead link:
05:37:16LloreanThat's a wide range.
05:37:31Spankyoops... there it is
05:37:32Dark_ApostropheLlorean: I know...
05:37:52LloreanDark_Apostrophe: So... why not test with the "Archived Builds" button?
05:39:06LloreanAnd then file a proper bug report, once you've narrowed down a daily. Though as you're the only person reporting it, you may be asked to track it down to a specific SVN revision if you can
05:40:04Dark_ApostropheNow it works just fine!
05:40:08Dark_ApostropheUsing the archived build
05:46:36Spankyok i just downloaded and tested eyetunes, jclix_night, frostbox_aa, and icatcher (which are all the wps for the photo that have album artwork in their wps) and none work properly
05:46:54Spankyare there any tested or working wps for the ipod photo that will display album artwork without patches?
05:48:49LloreanThey're probably all very out of date
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05:48:54LloreanFew people maintain their WPSes.
05:50:11Dark_ApostropheLlorean: so, what now?
05:50:11Spankykinda raises the question of if album artwork is working on the current rockbox build then why isnt there a theme released that takes advantage of that
05:50:18Dark_ApostropheLlorean: The archive build worked just fine
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05:55:41LloreanDark_Apostrophe: Well, that's today's daily.
05:56:13LloreanSo if a current build from yesterday didn't work, the absolute current build didn't work, but one between did work, there's probably something weird about your player
05:56:29LloreanHave you tried a new cable, or a different USB port?
05:57:20Dark_ApostropheI haven't, but I regularly use both the same USB port and the same cable for other things, such as my camera
05:57:30krazykitsomeone else with an F20 was complaining about the same problem, actually
05:57:46LloreanDark_Apostrophe: "Regularly" including "many times since the problem started showing up"?
05:57:46krazykiti don't have my f40 handy to test it, either
05:58:01Dark_ApostropheLlorean: Yes
05:58:09Dark_ApostropheLlorean: I used the camera multiple times yesterday
05:58:19Lloreankrazykit: The _exact_ same problem?
05:58:27Lloreankrazykit: And it wasn't him?
05:58:49LloreanDark_Apostrophe: It's sounding more like hardware issues then. There's not really any reason the problem would go out and come back from build to build like that.
05:58:59Dark_ApostropheOkay... :/
05:59:11LloreanI'm not saying it's definite though
05:59:16LloreanBut it's odd.
05:59:21LloreanDo you use a dock, or a direct cable connection?
05:59:38Dark_ApostropheDirect cable
05:59:46LloreanTry the dock, if you have it.
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06:00:10*Mouser_X has misplaced his Gigabeat dock...
06:00:13Dark_ApostropheLlorean: I have it, somewhere... :p
06:00:21Dark_ApostropheThe question is: where? :p
06:01:48krazykitson of a... it was him. just capitalized differently and without the underscore. damn confusing nick differences.
06:02:06krazykiti should really check these things first.
06:03:21Dark_ApostropheMy connection must've been fucky then
06:03:31LloreanPlease watch your language
06:03:43Dark_ApostropheWhen I get a ping timeout, my client instantly reconnects, but since there's a ghost remaining, it does /nick darkapostrophe
06:05:11SpankyDoes anyone have a solution for having album artwork but no wps to display it?
06:05:34alienbiker99add the tags to the wps file
06:06:55krazykitr15765 - usb works just fine on my f40.
06:06:59Spankyi have no clue how to do that
06:08:28Dark_Apostrophekrazykit: Must be my hardware, then. :/
06:08:52LloreanSpanky: Well there's no solution other than "make one" if there aren't any currently available
06:11:11SpankyLlorean: I see at the page there are the wps tags. can I just add those to the bottom to any theme and make it work? Sorry, I really have no clue about rockbox coding.
06:12:49LloreanYou'll need to read the CustomWPS page and learn a little bit
06:17:16SpankyI believe there is a bug in the current build. I have rockbox started up and running idle and when I plug it into the usb port, nothing happens. I have to re-boot the ipod into its original firmware to get it to become connected to my computer.
06:17:33psycho_maniacSpanky: what player?
06:17:47SpankyI tried 3 times and it did this on the previous build too. It's not the cable either. Its a iPod Color 4G 20GB
06:18:34SpankyIt doesn't even look like it's charging.. isn't there supposed to be a charging icon up at the top?
06:19:31SpankyI just tried other USB ports. Still nothing.
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06:24:02SpankyAlso, my iPod just said "Shutting Down" and it just restarted. It's probably because of the USB cable plugged into it.
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06:25:41webguest63I have an iriver h10 5gig, and when I play audio my pcm buffer runs out repeatedly.
06:25:50webguest63any way to fix?
06:25:58webguest63im using a custom build
06:26:01webguest63by TheMono
06:26:12Spanky:D lol I'm not a rockbox guy I was just saying hi
06:26:57Spankyhey webguest63 is there a custom build for a ipod 4G over at misticriver?
06:27:07webguest63i dont think so
06:27:13scorchewebguest63: custom builds are unsupported..
06:27:15webguest63its an iriver-only site
06:27:42webguest63hence the name MISTiCriver
06:28:00Spankymeh not that creative
06:28:06webguest63i know
06:28:09webguest63not my site
06:28:31webguest63rockbox is so cool....
06:28:38Spankyi second that
06:28:51webguest63i guess i'll just downgrade my version for now....
06:29:01psycho_maniacwebguest63: the only way to get this fixed iw ould say is to use a standard current build.
06:29:07webguest63i guess i can live without the fm tuner
06:29:11webguest63oh ok
06:29:16webguest63ill try that in a bit
06:29:42Spankypsycho_maniac: do you need any more info or anything about the usb?
06:29:57webguest63i was debatin wether or not to but my WPS'es wouldnt work with the SVNs
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06:53:49woodensoulI'm trying to debug a WPS using the simulator with the command line switch −−debugwps, but I'm not sure how to do it.
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07:05:40J-23woodensoul: Run WPS on emulator and look at console output?
07:07:36woodensoulhow can I look at the console output?
07:09:26woodensoulI opened up a command prompt, navigated to the directory containing the simulator, and ran it with the −−debugwps switch.
07:11:01woodensoulThe sim started, but I didn't see any debug info in the command window
07:11:32woodensoulShould I be running the rockboxui.exe?
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07:46:35Avewow the nano glitch fix WAS ide setup problem afterall, amazing
07:47:02Avebig congrats to all testers and fixers..
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07:47:55webguest17Does anyone know if and when rockbox will be for use/created for a Cowon D2 PMP???
07:48:15scorchewell, no one is working on it and it wont happen by itself
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07:49:19JdGordonthe d2 is being "worked on" isnt it?
07:49:37JdGordonots one of the possible telechips daps iirc
07:49:53webguest17Any good ideas as to how I mught be able to start working on firmware for that PMP or help with that firmware being brought to light?
07:51:15JdGordonmorning LinusN, the build master needs kicking...
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08:18:34mrkikoHi all! Finally, with the yesterday build (15754 or 15752, I don't remember), my player NEVER CRASHES!
08:19:22mrkikoQuestion: I saw the new usb styack. Does the new usb stack change code included in boot-loader exclusively ?
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08:19:41mrkikoIn pratcie: is for me important to update my boot-loader (h340 player)
08:20:55mrkikoJdGordon: ok ...
08:21:15mrkikoJdGordon: thank a lot for your reply!
08:21:32mrkikoJdGordon: has fs#8003 been removed? It should be now...
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08:26:18LinusNmrkiko: the new usb stack only applies to the portalplayer targets, without a USB-ATA chip
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08:26:56mrkikoLinusN: woww! How much work should you do so to implement all the job via software?
08:27:34LinusNask christian and zagor :-)
08:27:42LinusNand björn, i mean
08:27:58LinusNit's plenty of work, actually
08:28:15mrkikoLinusN: I immagine. Does those player have an ATA or flash disk?
08:29:00LinusN(and most flash disks use ATA too)
08:29:26mrkikoLinusN: .. I saw.
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08:37:53amiconnLinusN: Eh? Your settings_list.c commit shows an empty diff...
08:38:23LinusNamiconn: yes, the diff ignores whitespace changes for some reason
08:39:02amiconnAh, a case of important whitespace
08:39:18*amiconn wishes the viewvc diff would be more clever
08:39:37mrkikoLinusN: I can't find fs#8203 on flyspray. Can you explain me (even briefly if you want) in what the bug was consisting on?
08:39:38LinusN- "rec split type", "Split, Stop", NULL, 2,
08:39:38LinusN+ "rec split type", "Split,Stop", NULL, 2,
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08:41:19mrkikothank you
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08:54:27Mouser_Xmrkiko: Rockbox has the ability to set the setting that pauses playback when the headphones are removed.
08:54:57LinusNMouser_X: on the targets that have the hardware to support it, that is
08:55:02LinusNi.e ipod
08:55:19alienbiker99is that i?
08:55:22GodEaterit works on gigabeat too I think
08:55:38LinusNi wasn't aware that gigabeat had that feature as well
08:55:42Mouser_XI don't have it on, but I assume it works on the Gigabeat as well, since the button LEDs turn on when I remove my headphones.
08:56:03*GodEater tests :)
08:56:12*LinusN too :-)
08:56:24GodEaterbut only if you pull the main jack
08:56:32GodEaterit can't tell if the headphones have come free of the remote
08:56:51Mouser_XThough I didn't explicitly say it, that is what I meant.
08:57:44Mouser_XI should go to bed...
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09:01:00mrkikoThank you Mouser_X
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09:07:01LinusNtime to remove the fictional hardware eq on the ipod?
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09:09:04LinusNi find it quite embarrassing to boast hardware eq support when it simply doesn't work
09:09:37markunLinusN: it could be used just for treble and bass, right?
09:10:20markunor is it even missing something there?
09:10:27LinusNof course
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09:10:57LinusNbut calling it "5-band hardware EQ" is simply wrong
09:11:16LinusNeven the latest cnet article mentions it
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09:11:53markunLinusN: I would also say remove it and turn on HW bass and treble
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09:12:41amiconnLinusN, markun: There is a patch by safetydan (iirc) for that, but last time I tried it didn't apply, and there was some gibberish in english.lang (which did apply)
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09:15:14pondlifeLinusN: Did that last commit work?;r2=15768 says not...
09:15:31LinusNpondlife: see the irc log
09:16:00LinusN(the viewvc diff ignores whitespace)
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10:13:23Nico_Paliask: hi
10:17:05aliaskNico_P: Hey
10:17:13aliaskNice work with the linux updater
10:17:36Nico_Pdo you hav an idea why the current SVN bootloader doesn't display anything?
10:18:23aliaskNot really, but I'll look into it
10:18:34Nico_Pdid it use to work for you?
10:18:52Nico_PI'd like to make sure I'm not doing anything wrong by trying a version known to work
10:19:12aliaskYes, I thought it was working, but maybe I've got some local changes
10:19:44Nico_PI'm not completely sure I'm using mknkboot properly
10:21:48Nico_Paliask: I'm probably doing something wrong, seeing as bootloader/gigabeat-s.c never changed
10:22:04aliaskI'm trying a clean SVN build right now
10:22:09Nico_Pcool, thanks
10:22:46GodEaterNico_P: go time for a quick git PM session ?
10:24:14aliaskNico_P: Clean SVN boots fine for me
10:25:21aliaskmknkboot usage is ./mknkboot original_nk.bin /path/to/bootloader.bin output_nk.bin
10:25:22Nico_Paliask: ok, then I'm doing something wrong... I'm making a bootloader build and then running mknkboot, using the resulting nk.bin as boot file
10:26:02markunaliask: can you send Nico_P your nk.bin file?
10:26:18aliaskGood idea markun
10:26:27Zagoripod "newstack" activation coming up
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10:28:38Nico_Paliask: dcc?
10:30:09Zagorlet me get this straight: h10 users want to reboot if you press a button while connting usb. ipod want to reboot if you _don't_ press a button while conneting? any change we could unify this?
10:31:05Nico_Paliask: I can't connect
10:31:25aliaskSorry, forgot the port number
10:31:40Nico_Pbetter :)
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10:32:22Nico_Paliask: when I build a bootloader build, the resulting nk.bin is the one I should use as "bootloader.bin", right?
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10:33:10pondlifeZagor: On H340 we connect USB unless a button is pressed, don't know if that gives you something to unify around?
10:33:14aliaskThat nk.bin is a half baked attempt to generate a "clean" nk.bin (ie, not relying on the OF nk.bin)
10:33:28aliaskIt doesn't really do anything useful sadly.
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10:33:44Nico_Paliask: then that's why I was failing... which file should I use then?
10:34:03Nico_Pboot.bin maybe :p
10:34:08pondlifeZagor: There have been calls for an option to reverse that though (so USB charge-only is the default).
10:34:19aliaskInside the build directory, there should be a folder called bootloader, and you want bootloader.bin
10:34:27pondlifeDepends on the "normal" charging method for a target.
10:34:32Nico_Paliask: ok
10:34:52LinusNpondlife: might make sense on the targets that only have usb charging
10:34:53Nico_Pboot.bin was actually a file I created...
10:34:58*Nico_P stupid
10:35:35pondlifeLinusN: On all targets. If I don't have another charger handy most of the time...
10:36:00pondlifeAll targets where we can control it, I mean
10:36:18Nico_Paliask: it worked!
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10:37:40ZagorI just want it to work the same on all targets.
10:37:46linuxstbZagor: IIUC, the H10 is a special case because you need to hold RIGHT when rebooting in order for the OF to enter USB mode. So the normal behaviour is reversed, so the user holds RIGHT in Rockbox, and keeps it held in order to enter USB mode.
10:38:04Nico_Paliask: so what can I do now? :)
10:38:05pixelmapondlife, LinusN: there is a patch for the Ipod that does that which a few unsupported builds use. And there are a few posts of people saying "help, I can't connect to USB" even though it is in the respective "release notes"...
10:38:05aliaskNico_P: I love the fact that it doesn't flash every time you update the build now
10:38:17Zagorlinuxstb: aha
10:38:17Nico_Paliask: why's that?
10:38:41aliaskI bricked my last Gigabeat by accidentally removing the power cable during flashing
10:38:42linuxstbZagor: But obviously when your usb stack is working, we can make all targets consistent.
10:38:49pondlifepixelma: An option (defaulting to connect) would mean they wouldn't be so confused..
10:39:18Nico_Paliask: does it mean the firmware update is safe? i.e. I'll always be able to recover?
10:39:33Nico_Pand why doesn't it flash anymore?
10:39:48aliaskI'm guessing because we aren't sending the eboot.bin file
10:40:07aliaskWhereas the gigabeat v updater would send eboot, nk and recovery.bin
10:40:12Nico_Pmakes sense... are you using sendfirm too?
10:40:19pixelmamarkun: seen the yellow? ;)
10:40:32Nico_Paliask: good to know... I think you were the first tester
10:41:08aliaskApart from you?
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10:41:48aliaskDo you know if it's possible to silence those protocol errors when it finishes transferring?
10:42:44Nico_Pnot sure... they seem to be due to the fact the player shuts down... when you upgrade with the OF from within the OF, it doesn't shut down and there are no errors
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10:43:46aliaskCan you send the firmware update without entering the manufacturing mode?
10:43:58aliask(if it's running the OF at the time)
10:44:22Nico_Pthat's how I sent the SVN bootloader just now
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10:44:41aliaskThat's a much nicer update - that way people won't have their music collections erased when they upgrade
10:44:57Nico_Phadn't thought of that, but yeah
10:45:41markun_pixelma: not yet
10:46:09Nico_Paliask: what kind of work could I attempt to do now?
10:46:22markun_pixelma: I could just remove the DEBUGF..
10:46:37aliaskWell, in terms of what next to do I really want to know why we can't load the rockbox binary (or dual boot with the OF). It could just be that I'm doing something wrong in the code, but it seems like it just freezes as soon as I jump to the new location in memory
10:47:20Nico_Pthat's the code that is in #if 0 ?
10:48:48aliaskYes, basically, though that's just copied from some other port and wouldn't work
10:49:07aliaskIs it possible to just send any kind of file to the player?
10:49:15aliask(Using MTP)
10:49:46markun_pixelma: I found one slight bug with my new code, but not yet how to fix it
10:50:05pixelmamarkun_: what does it mean if the viewer now uses the plugin buffer? Is there any possibilty that it now would stop music playback on large textfiles on Archos targets where the plugin buffer is smaller (no idea about the exact number and how it compares to what there was before)
10:50:27Nico_Paliask: yes... sendfirm.c was derived from sendfile.c that does just that
10:50:34markun_if the whole file fits inside the buffer and you press right to jump to the end, you end up passed the last 'page'
10:51:04markun_pixelma: would be easy to add support for the audio_buffer
10:51:21markun_we could do it if no audio is playing anyway
10:51:31pixelmamarkun_: ignore the "stop playback part", that would be if it grabs the audio buffer too
10:51:48Nico_Paliask: sendfile.c is in the libmtp source (examples)
10:52:09pixelmamarkun_: but is there more buffer now than before or less?
10:52:29pixelmaok, nice :)
10:52:30aliaskNico_P: I'm going to see if we can send a rockbox.gigabeat over MTP before you do you the firmware update
10:52:43markun_pixelma: I believe it went from 0x3000 to 0x8000 on the archoses
10:53:12markun_although perhaps a part of that is used by the plugin itself?
10:53:14Nico_Paliask: it's quite easy... mtp-sendfile <src> <dest>
10:53:19Nico_PI can try if you want
10:54:07aliaskNico_P: Sure, but I was just going to write a quick bootloader that would give a dirlist to confirm that it sent it
10:56:19pixelmamarkun_: that's what I would expect but don't know enough...
10:56:33pixelmathat's why I asked you ;)
10:57:39markun_pixelma: you could test is by scrolling down until the HDD spins up and then do the same with the new build :)
10:58:42Nico_Paliask: why do I only see the first two printf calls on screen? kernel_init never returns?
11:00:09aliaskNico_P: it should...
11:00:43Nico_Paliask: I don't see "Congratulations!", nor an error
11:01:02aliaskMaybe some of the disk stuff is stalling...
11:01:03Nico_Pso something seems to be blocking
11:01:14Nico_PI'll add a few more printfs
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11:04:28Nico_Paliask: kernel init is OK but not disk init
11:04:35Nico_Perr no, ata_init
11:05:02aliaskGrrr, I thought I had all that working...
11:05:28markun_aliask: forgot to commit something maybe?
11:05:55aliaskProbably, but I upgraded harddrives and deleted most of my local work
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11:06:30aliaskIt's probably something reasonably simple though, seeing as I got it working in the first place :P
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11:09:36Nico_Paliask: could the problem be in ata_device_init?
11:10:22pixelmamarkun_: my Archos doesn't have a HDD ;)
11:10:46markun_pixelma: then the buffer size doesn't matter anyway :)
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11:11:55Nico_Paliask: is it possible to insert printfs in other code, like ata_init and ata_device_init?
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11:12:26mattzzargh sorry
11:12:30aliaskNico_P: I used a bit of a hack and made it so DEBUGF basically did the same thing as printf
11:12:48Nico_PI want that hack! :)
11:13:02aliaskI can't commit it though, as it's unsightly
11:13:10aliaskI'll make a patch from clean svn
11:13:11Nico_Pcould you send me a patch?
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11:13:45Nico_Pmaybe make me a patch of all your changes... I'll sort out and test the rest
11:14:57harryHey, I really don't know much about rockbox's source code, so could someone point me to the folder containing the main menu gui?
11:15:23pixelmamarkun_: I somehow thought that the viewer only loads the complete file at once, didn't know that it is able to load parts as needed...
11:15:54aliaskNico_P: I think most of my changes are half baked debug stuff. I haven't done any solid work since last commit really
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11:16:26markun_harry: apps/menus/main_menu.c I think
11:16:38harryok, thanks
11:17:06harryyeah, that's it
11:18:08harrywow, I never expected that much code for a simple menu...
11:18:52jmspeexpreglow: how much testing did you do on the memmove patch?
11:19:06jmspeex(just checking, I haven't seen anything wrong with it)
11:22:05pixelmaZagor: looking at the deltas of your two commits... could it be that the previous usb stack was only enabled on H10s? Just a thought looking at the differences even though it doesn't make much sense...
11:22:52Zagorpixelma: "previous" == yesterdays commit?
11:23:02Zagoror christians linux stack?
11:23:55pixelmaaustriancoder's - I mean the difference between H10s and Sansas yesterday
11:24:29pixelmawhich is about the negative delta for the Ipods yesterday
11:24:43Zagorno, his stack was not enabled on any target
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11:25:27Zagorthe green ipod deltas are due to removed settings code
11:26:33Zagorthe delta differences are indeed strange. mini1g got ~400 bytes larger than mini2g ??
11:26:46aliaskNico_P: Though when I was testing I realised that the ATA code works fine on my device
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11:27:35pixelmaZagor: well, I meant the things causing the green delta - if they were there before on H10 but not on Sansa that could explain yesterday's difference, no?
11:28:12Zagorit could, but usbstack was not enabled on h10 before that commit.
11:28:16pixelmaor maybe it's something else... as I said: just a stupid idea
11:31:16Nico_Paliask: this time it worked... :) up to displaying "congratulations"
11:31:44Nico_Pthe only diff is your patch and a few added printfs
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11:32:21harrymarkun_: main_menu.c doesn't have anything about "Resume Playback" or "Playlists"
11:32:52harryneather does menu.c, or root_menu.c
11:33:01aliaskNico_P: Maybe timing is critical?
11:33:12Nico_Plooks like it...
11:33:28Nico_P"Testing, testing, 123" wasn't printed though
11:33:48aliaskDid you get the partition info?
11:33:53amiconnZagor: That 'Hold right to enter USB mode' only applies to H10 MTP firmwares
11:34:17amiconnBut it is the reason why H10 USB operation is reversed to all other targets
11:34:21Nico_Paliask: yes
11:34:46amiconnI would *hate* that behaviour on all other targets though
11:34:56amiconnIf I connect USB, I mean entering USB mode
11:34:58markun_harry: no idea. You could use 'grep' so search through all the files.
11:35:07amiconnOtherwise I would use a (usb) charger
11:35:25aliaskNico_P: Should have been printed Just above "Found master harddisk" (it did for me anyway)
11:35:30Nico_Pharry: JdGordon is the one you'd want to speak to
11:35:46Nico_Paliask: yep, I got that
11:36:32harryJdGordon isn't on the channel
11:37:38harryI only want to make a button to turn off rockbox on the main menu
11:37:42Nico_Pharry: I thinkt the menu you want is actually the "root menu" (an old name), apps/root_menu.c
11:37:49Lloreanamiconn: When traveling especially, it's easier to just pack a few USB cords and charge of a laptop that you're going to have in-use anyway than several USB chargers that also require you to find multiple plugs in the hotel room
11:37:57harryI checked root_menu.c
11:37:58LloreanOr one small powered USB hub, for that matter
11:38:04Nico_Pharry: and I think there might be a patch in the tracker for that
11:38:33LloreanI think, as an option at least, being able to set whether to connect or charge is okay.
11:39:33pixelmaLlorean: he's talking about the default, I don't think that a setting is needed if you know which button to hold to change that behaviour
11:40:48pixelmaand I used it quite a bit on my Ondio. Of course you can't make it charge but use USB power if you hold "Mode" while connecting
11:41:33amiconnLlorean: Then you still have the option to hold the button...
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11:42:15Lloreanamiconn: Yes, but if I'm someone who never changes his songs because I have a large HD player, I'd rather not have to press a button every time I'm charging the device with it on.
11:42:33LloreanI think an option to reverse behaviour, so that holding a button causes USB mode, and not holding a button results in simply charging (on targets with USB charging) isn't a bad idea. As long as the default setting for this option is "Connect on insert, Charge on button hold"
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11:43:05LloreanBut I think I may have missed something. Maybe I'm talking about something else?
11:43:34harryNico_P: thanks
11:44:38Lloreanamiconn: It becomes especially frustrating in the car, with players where charger-detection isn't possible (Gigabeat for example)
11:44:46LloreanI use a dedicated power charger, but end up in disk mode.
11:45:09LloreanOr I guess "charger differentiation"
11:48:12jmspeexpreglow: you didn't actually test your patch, did you?
11:48:26jmspeex(or else you would have noticed something wrong with memset)
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11:50:19amiconnLlorean: Why is that not possible? It should...
11:51:04Lloreanamiconn: The Gigabeat should be able to tell the difference between a USB charger, a powered USB hub, and an actual PC?
11:51:21LloreanAFAIK only portalplayer targets do this.
11:51:36LloreanAnd they're only charger / non charger. Powered hubs are, of course, treated as a PC.
12:00:09harryWhat is the input of MAKE_MENU()?
12:00:39harryit has 6 arguments
12:01:03harryCould anyone tell me what they are?
12:01:18Nico_Pharry: these macros are defined in apps/menu.h
12:01:35peturvoodoo (macro) magic :/
12:01:42harryok, I'll try to figure it out...
12:02:30GodEaterharry: there's a page in the wiki
12:03:20harryaww, now I have to find it. The wiki is seriously a maze. I can never find my way back to things I looked at two days ago
12:03:26harrythanks :D
12:04:02*GodEater wonders what's wrong with the search feature...
12:04:58LinusNGodEater: nevertheless, the wiki *is* a bit messy
12:05:09pondlifeThe search always finds too much info...
12:05:16Nico_Pyeah, it does take some getting used to
12:05:16GodEatertrue, but few people volunteer to clean it up =/
12:05:43pixelmaGodEater: it's a bit misleading... there is the "go" box and the "search" buttons in the left hand side menus (even though they don't belong to the wiki but they are there)...
12:05:44GodEaterMAKE_MENU returns only two hits
12:05:54GodEateryes - the Go box should just be removed imo
12:05:57pondlifeOnce themes have been sorted, we could start a new wiki and only move relevant stuff over?
12:06:07harrywhy are there two search boxes by the way?
12:06:18Lloreanpondlife: It's going to be hard to find all the relevant stuff, though
12:06:28GodEaterharry: the search on the left is for Flyspray
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12:06:41LinusNGodEater: and for the entire site
12:06:43pondlifeLlorean: The problem, exactly
12:06:48pixelmaharry: one to search flyspray tasks and one to search the site
12:06:54LinusNand then there is the Wiki search as well
12:06:54GodEaterLinusN: I stand corrected then!
12:07:17pixelmaLinusN: yes, that's what I meant
12:07:21Lloreanpondlife: Assuming someone does want to create a new wiki though, the first step is to outline a hierarchy so that the pages can be placed in a consistent way (and new pages can have a location be consistently determined)
12:07:24peturadding a wiki search should be simple, just issue a google command with the correct site: string
12:07:25LinusNthe wiki search is what i use the most
12:07:37pondlifeLlorean: Absolutely
12:07:46LloreanThat's what the current one is really missing, a hierarchy
12:07:47LinusNwhat's wrong with the current wiki search?
12:07:54LloreanIt's mostly "flat", a big ugly spiderweb.
12:08:10pixelmapetur: another button in addition to the link at the top?
12:08:14linuxstbZagor: Do I understand correctly that your last commit means ipods still won't reboot into disk mode, just request power for charging?
12:08:33harryWikimedia maybe? Easy to administer
12:08:35pondlifeI suspect it contains a lot of outdated info, and quite a bit of duplication...just a feeling though.
12:08:45LloreanLinusN: The current wiki search requires you not accidentally using the "Go" button. I think that's really the only significant problem with it
12:08:57GodEaterharry: you mean mediaWiki - Wikimedia is the company ;)
12:08:58LinusNLlorean: i see
12:09:22pixelmayeah, happens to me too sometimes even though I know it?
12:09:23LloreanLinusN: A lot of people seem to type a search term into it, get "page not found" and think that means the search couldn't find anything.
12:09:28GodEatermediaWiki's syntax is a bit ott though if you ask me
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12:09:41pondlifeHmm, maybe we should set up a company named BoxRock... :)
12:10:23LinusNlooks like it is time for the annual wiki user cleanup
12:10:28Lloreanpondlife: Another problem with a wiki, just in general, is if the "last modified" date on a page is old enough, people instantly assume it's probably wrong or outdated.
12:10:43LloreanI wonder if TWiki has a page showing which pages have gone the longest without edits.
12:10:50preglowjmspeex: i tested with both encoding and decoding
12:11:10GodEaterI do like mediaWiki's discussion page idea though
12:11:14harryIt's true that TWiki needs cleening up
12:11:21pondlifeA WHD (wiki hierarchy dictator) is needed... any volunteers?
12:11:25preglowjmspeex: not this particular revision of it, no, but the even older one doing memcpy and memset on everything, so i thought this newer one would be goo
12:11:28jmspeexpreglow: look at SPEEX_MEMSET and tell me if you see something wrong with it
12:11:49*GodEater nominates pondlife
12:12:04pondlifeI'd love to, but it'll never get to the top of my job stack
12:12:18preglowjmspeex: would probably be the fact that it's a memcpy
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12:12:53harrypondlife: did you make that WHD thing up?
12:13:05pondlifeI think so.
12:13:34Lloreanpondlife: I'm not sure how the Category tags work in TWiki, but it seems that the hierarchy would almost certainly depend on using them liberally on every page.
12:13:56pixelmathe MarcGuay guy started with organising the wiki a bit recently
12:14:10pondlifeYes, he seems a useful chap.
12:14:30LinusNLlorean: there is a "topic parent" concept in twiki
12:14:43LinusNi love Marc Guay! :-)
12:14:49pondlifeMaybe ask him to produce a diagram of the perfect Rockbox wiki...
12:15:03LloreanLinusN: To an extent it even seems to be used.
12:15:10LinusNoh yes
12:15:23jmspeexpreglow: seems to produce the same results now
12:15:31pondlifeIs there a way to see a graphic representation of our current wiki tree?
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12:15:38*Nico_P added parents to a fair number of pages
12:15:50LloreanLinusN: The problem is that the parent of a large percentage of pages seems to either be Main or DocsIndex
12:15:52LinusNthere is a nice plugin for twiki that presents a hierarchical topic index, it's on my todo liss
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12:17:13harryThe wiki homepage is really the main thing that needs changing
12:17:43LinusNharry: remember that the documentation index is *the* entry port for documentation
12:18:01LinusNthe wiki index is more or less an accident
12:18:09harryremember something I never knew? :/
12:18:16LloreanHonestly, I think the wiki index "WebHome" is actually a better page.
12:18:40LinusNLlorean: better for what and for whom?
12:18:58LloreanBetter for not getting lost.
12:19:12LloreanThe DocsIndex is a list of about four million links.
12:19:17LloreanTons, and tons, and tons of blue text
12:19:21LinusNyes, but they are links
12:19:26pondlifeI only ever use the search as the hierarchy is so bad...
12:19:31LloreanIn, honestly, fairly loose categories.
12:19:43Llorean"Customizing Rockbox" for example, is a pretty vague one
12:19:47harrycould some smart patient person with alot of time make a flowchart of the rockbox site?
12:19:58harrythat way it would be easier to critisize
12:20:11LinusNa site map?
12:20:17harryonly pretty
12:20:17LloreanAnd covers HD mods, Fonts, and WPSes, and even flashing an Archos
12:20:19pondlifeI'd like to see a diagram of what we have, then I'll get organising it.
12:20:28Soap_a proper wiki can only be represented in >2 dimensions. A flowchart would hurt.
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12:20:34Soap_(hurt your eyeballs)
12:20:34harrythat's what I'm talking about
12:20:51LloreanLinusN: What I like about the WebHome is that *every* link has a description.
12:20:59pondlifeA tree should be possible, no?
12:21:14GodEaterpondlife: no
12:21:18harryisn't the whole site a kind of wiki?
12:21:30pondlifeGodEater: Why not?
12:21:33LloreanLinusN: The DocsIndex has a lot of links where the only description is the link name, and the ToC at the top of it is just not that helpful to someone who doesn't already have a clue.
12:21:35LinusNharry: most of the documentation is
12:21:42GodEaterpondlife: because it's not hierarchical necessarily
12:21:52pondlifeI mean , it might not make the most use of a wiki, but I'd find it easier to find info that way.
12:22:07harryso why have a seperate menu entry for wiki and manual and index?
12:22:09GodEaterpondlife: oh you mean make it INTO a tree, not display what we currently HAVE as a tree ?
12:22:24pondlifeYes. Allowing links to go wherever, of course.
12:22:26Lloreanharry: Because Manual most certainly is NOT wiki.
12:22:42Soap_harry: has a very consistant look and feel, but the manual download page ... Llorean beat me
12:22:43pondlifeIsn't there some old manual within the wiki?
12:22:46Lloreanharry: And the wiki index is not the same as the documentation index.
12:23:58harryIt wouldn't be hard to make the manual look like part of rockbox...
12:24:04pondlife etc...
12:24:12LinusNpondlife: kill kill kill
12:24:18pondlifeI don't have the power
12:24:26Lloreanpondlife: Oh, that also reminds me: Another goal should be consistent page naming
12:24:35pondlifeAccess Denied
12:24:45harryWho does have the power?
12:24:48LinusNi do
12:24:58pondlifeBjornStenberg, DanielStenberg, LinusNielsenFeltzing
12:25:12jmspeexpreglow: the rest seems fine so far (same results), except for the "tmp" variable name I didn't quite like (in nb_celp.c)
12:25:21pondlifeLinusN: There are plenty of manual pages...
12:25:22LloreanFor example, IpodPort and IriverPort are very different sorts of pages.
12:25:29preglowjmspeex: ah, forgot about that one, actually, and no, i don't like the name either
12:25:40preglowjmspeex: i was planning on giving it a better name, if that is any comfort :)
12:26:01LinusNalso, we need to agree on some fundamental things in the wiki
12:26:07pondlifeA hierarchy could have a Devices node, with all the porting status, hardware info etc. under there.
12:26:12jmspeexpreglow: you didn't test non-codec components, right?
12:26:16pondlifeAnd nowhere else!
12:26:32LinusNfor example, do we keep stale/old information for hostorical reasons, or should we delete it?
12:26:38preglowjmspeex: if it isn't used in speexenc/dec build with agc, it's not been testerd
12:26:49Lloreanpondlife: Hardware->Targets, Hardware->Components, ?
12:27:02LinusNmany of the XxxPort pages contain old stuff
12:27:12Lloreanpondlife: So that the PP5022 can be indexed both beneath the devices that have it, and beneath the "Hardware we have drivers for or know things about" index.
12:27:12pondlifeComponents might be in multiple targets...
12:27:23LloreanOr PP5020 I suppose is a better example
12:27:23LinusNthe IriverPort page being the worst
12:27:34pondlifeI'd just put it under Components, and link from the relevant Target pages
12:27:45LloreanLinusN: Delete the information, maintaining the usual wiki history perhaps?
12:28:03Lloreanpondlife: That's more or less what I meant. "Under it" by way of cross-linking, not repeating the information
12:28:17pondlifeCross-links, not hierarchy
12:28:57LinusNi'll install the hierarchy view plugin as soon as i can
12:29:06pondlife and - spot the difference!
12:29:07harry isn't the site's source is it? Please say no
12:29:21GodEaterwhy ?
12:29:33harryis it?
12:29:34pondlife is a dog's dinner of a page
12:29:52preglowmmm... dinner...
12:29:56pondlifeHmm, dog.
12:30:09GodEateryou don't think it's a good idea to keep the source to our site in a source control repository ?
12:30:16harrypondlife: wow, I thought that was a joke
12:30:20Lloreanpondlife: At least the ToC is actually useful for navigating the page, though
12:30:25pixelmawow, "nice" catch pondlife. I only knew of the Howto one and it told me what I needed to know...
12:30:50pondlifeThere are tens of similar examples... :/
12:31:09pondlifeDo a wiki search for Manual
12:31:21pixelmaand and the HowTo is entirely different from what I expected...
12:31:38pondlifeYes, it's a real mix up of how to use Rockboy and other useful stuff
12:31:40LloreanIt's basically a FAQ, apparently designed by an H300 user.
12:32:00pondlifeIt's gotta go!
12:32:45pondlifeThese things spring up when it becomes even slightly hard to find the info in the wiki.
12:33:16harrydo people actually USE archos recorders?
12:33:31pondlifeIt's one of the best targets
12:33:39pixelmait doesn't have to do with _the_ manual at all, but maybe at the time it was written, the manual wasn't as available as it is now
12:33:40pondlifeWell, the V1 recorder is
12:33:42Lloreanpondlife: There needs to be a category for "Descriptions of things nobody has implemented yet" too. For like, documentation of Viewports.
12:33:53Lloreanharry: Best assuming you're using MP3 audio.
12:34:06harryipod video
12:34:06LloreanJust to clarify
12:34:09LinusNand have big pockets :-)
12:34:13pixelmaharry: I like using my Ondio even though I have different Rockbox targets now too
12:34:21LloreanI have giant, enormous, huge pockets. And good, sturdy belts.
12:34:40pondlifeharry: Upgradable to 137GB hard disk, hardware decode (so fast UI), standard AA batteries
12:34:51pondlifeThe ideal in-car solution!
12:34:52Lloreanpondlife: Rechargeable AAs only, right?
12:34:58pondlifeI think so
12:35:04harryyeah... ipods cost $100 for a new battery
12:35:08*Llorean seems to remember significant warnings about not using standard ones.
12:35:10Lloreanharry: No, they don't
12:35:14pondlifeWell, I guess it might run on standard ones, but you wouldn't want to charge it!
12:35:14harryand rockbox backgrounds dont help
12:35:21harryas if they don't
12:35:27Lloreanpondlife: My understanding is the extra voltage is a bad idea.
12:35:31pondlifeAh, ok
12:35:33harrymy friend rang them yesterday
12:35:39harrybtw, aus $
12:35:56pondlifeI only use NiMH's anyway
12:36:23Lloreanharry: That's still 80-something USD. I see iPod batteries for the $30 range or so
12:36:40Soap_with tools and instructional DVD
12:36:42LloreanThough availability might be the issue, and I'm not talking first-party.
12:36:47harrymaybe, but postage and handling stuff
12:36:49safetydanpreglow, would it make sense to give the software tone controls configurable cutoffs?
12:36:55pixelmapondlife: you have an Archos recorder now (again)?
12:37:00pondlifeNo, sadly.
12:37:06pondlifeI wish I never sold it..
12:37:07preglowsafetydan: i guess so, but not true big range setting ones
12:37:20pondlifeI do have an H380 though :)
12:37:30Lloreanpreglow: Similar to the cutoffs for certain HW targets? Just a few settings with names like "High, Mid, Low"?
12:37:35preglowLlorean: yeah
12:38:00safetydanLlorean, that's pretty much what I was thinking. But I should probably make the ipod video hw one work right first.
12:38:03harrydo the backgrounds in rockbox render alot? because I think they use alot of bettery
12:38:18Lloreansafetydan: I'm sure there are some people who'd like that. :)
12:38:33Soap_harry: Why do you think they use a lot of battery?
12:38:34pondlifeharry: I don't think it makes much difference to battery life.
12:38:50Lloreanharry: You could always do a runtime test with and without a backdrop, but it shouldn't be a very significant difference
12:38:54harryI mean background images
12:38:57preglowsafetydan: yeah, do that
12:38:59*safetydan is too easily distracted... ooo! shiny thing!
12:39:00LinusNi'd be surprised if the bg rendering would give a measurable difference in battery life
12:40:28pondlifeI strongly suspect that MoB has increased my battery life a little... need to compare with an old build to be sure though.
12:42:01harryhow do I do a runtime test?
12:42:28pondlifeFully charge your battery, then start it playing a long playlist with repeat all enabled.
12:42:28harryWOAH I WIN
12:42:41harryi had full battery this morning
12:42:49harryand i turned it on then and its dead
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12:44:40jmspeexpreglow: can you test whether write_whole_bytes() still works if you remove the memset?
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12:45:32harrythat bettery test will take ages
12:45:42pondlifeHopefully, yes
12:49:30harrywho makes the games?
12:49:38harryI guess I can look myself
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12:50:30preglowjmspeex: already did yesterday, and yes, the speex encoder i have that uses that still works if i remove it
12:50:37preglowjmspeex: tried on a very long clip too
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12:51:13jmspeexpreglow: good. I'll remove it then
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12:53:12preglowjmspeex: and i assume i'd be able to notice really quickly if it didn't work correctly anymore
12:53:48jmspeexpreglow: yes
12:54:05harrycan I see the original chopper?
12:54:13harryis it in an archive or something?
12:55:06Nico_Pharry: the chopper game?
12:55:35harryyes.... I can't find the original
12:55:47Nico_Pwhat original?
12:56:09harryI just want to know who wrote it
12:56:21harryThe orginal will tell me
12:56:42harryJoshua Oreman
12:56:44harrythere we go
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13:00:48IsolinearSo I just updated to r15772 on my iPod 5G to test the USB stack...
13:00:58IsolinearNow Windows is asking for drivers...?
13:01:09*Nico_P is wading through the S code and the iMX31 doc... interesting
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13:04:24LinusNIsolinear: that is because the USB stack isn't finished
13:05:32IsolinearThen why was it enabled, out of curiosity?
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13:07:01LinusNIsolinear: to enable charging
13:07:09ZagorIsolinear: the old auto-boot functionality will be added soonish. I'm just committing incrementally.
13:07:29IsolinearGotcha. :)
13:08:54Zagorthe windows asks for driver issue is because the charging-only mode is implemented using a dummy usb interface with vendor specific class. hence windows doesn't know what to do with it.
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13:10:09IsolinearSo it just charges...
13:10:36IsolinearIs there a way to charge via a computer USB connection while still having access to the menus and such?
13:11:07Zagornot currently, but I'd like to fix that
13:11:42IsolinearSuch as the old "hold the menu butting while inserting the cable" workaround or something.. :)
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13:12:18LloreanIsolinear: I wouldn't call that a workaround...
13:13:52jmspeexpreglow: patch applied
13:15:42preglowjmspeex: nice
13:16:20preglowjmspeex: you didn't decide to use _MOVE everywhere?
13:16:37jmspeexpreglow: no, I think COPY is safe
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13:31:14Zagorcan those of you with ipods please check which port pin tells when USB is connected? video uses GPIO_L bit 4.
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13:32:03Zagor(use system->debug->view i/o ports)
13:32:10preglowZagor: same on nano
13:38:01amiconnOn earlier pods it's different... just check the code you removed
13:40:51Zagorit doesn't contain that
13:41:19Zagorthat's why I'm asking
13:41:29amiconnBut it worked before...
13:41:43Zagoryes, because we asked the usb controller if the bus had power.
13:41:43jmspeexpreglow: let me know if I broke anything in the commit
13:41:58Zagorthis requires us to have the usb controller active at all times
13:42:15Zagorusing a port pin allows us to disable the usb controller when not in use
13:42:55amiconnHmm, the pin was used before linuxstb added the usb<->charger detection using the controller
13:43:11Zagorok, i'll look at older revisions then
13:43:15amiconnThe pin only tells whether usb is connected, not wheter it's a port or just a charger
13:43:23ZagorI know
13:46:39Zagorno, already r11823 from dec 2006 uses the controller power detect rather than port pins
13:49:07Zagornobody here with a mini, colour or 4g?
13:50:55Zagorcan ipods with firewire charge from it?
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13:53:41amiconnZagor: Yes. All iPods can charge from firewire, even the newest ones which don't support firewire for data
13:54:07amiconnAnd for firewire there are 2 pins to distinguish fw power <-> fw data connection
13:54:10Zagorare there firewire versions of the video?
13:54:14amiconn(Nano and Video only have one)
13:54:39Soap_hmm, will much battery life be saved by not having the USB controller running full time?
13:54:45amiconnZagor: I don't understand?
13:54:56ZagorSoap_: I don't know
13:55:07Soap_Runtime tests it is!
13:55:26Zagoramiconn: I thought the video didn't have firewire since the fw check code is only compiled for color, 4g and mini
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13:58:54Soap_Zagor: just to verify: your most recent commit (r15772) not only enables the stack - but also is the revision which keeps the usb controlled disabled until need is detected?
14:00:00Soap_or was it r15761 "Red fix: USB power check implemented in driver instead"
14:00:50ZagorSoap_: no I haven't added usb controller disable yet.
14:01:19ZagorI need to know the port pins first (and run som tests)
14:01:37*Llorean wonders why the FM Radio controls don't use the platform files for the manual. =/
14:01:45*Soap_ should have been a good boy and back-read more of the log.
14:02:44Zagor"iPod Video abandons FireWire completely" that explains it
14:03:28Zagoramiconn: do you know which fw detects bit are which? I assume GPIOC_INPUT_VAL & 0x02 is data and not power?
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14:10:36amiconniPod video does charge from firewire
14:14:28Zagorin rockbox?
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14:20:26Zagoraha, charging over fw is transparent and I don't need to care.
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14:42:37pixelma* Llorean wonders why the FM Radio controls don't use the platform files for the manual. =/ <- because the radio chapter needs a lot of work, I once started that but was really not satisfied with the order I put things and gave up somehow :\
14:44:26LloreanAaah. I missed it entirely because I assumed the keys were all in the platform file. At least the e200 keys are now all updated for it, I think.
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15:11:48Zagorany ipod + windows users around?
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15:15:19Zagorsansa/h10 + windows users can help too
15:16:07tuplanollaI have sansa e280
15:16:13tuplanollaand Windows
15:16:21agm3ntZagor:i have c200
15:16:31Zagorcan you try a custom build for me?
15:16:45Zagorand see how windows reacts to the usb connection
15:16:55tuplanollame too
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15:17:19Zagorexcellent. i'll do the c200 build since that's what I'm already building
15:19:27Zagorhold down SELECT while you plug in usb (otherwise it'll reboot)
15:20:06Zagorwhat I want to know is: does it ask for a driver?
15:20:33Zagormeh, bad version. please wait for a new version...
15:21:20Zagorgrab it now
15:23:03amiconnZagor: I can check the necessary GPIO on mini G2 tonight
15:23:22Zagoramiconn: great, thanks
15:23:24amiconnI guess that 4th Gen gray/color and the minis use the same pin
15:23:35ZagorI think so too
15:23:47Zagorin fact I'm about to commit code that assumes so :)
15:23:55amiconnnano/video are a bit more different for most things
15:24:14Zagorah you mean like that. ok, we'll see.
15:25:09agm3ntZagor:reboot and plug with SELECT work for me
15:25:27Zagoragm3nt: did windows ask for a driver?
15:26:56agm3ntZagor: no its reboot
15:27:04Zagorwhen you hold select?
15:27:16agm3ntZagor: no
15:27:28Zagordoes it ask for a driver then?
15:28:47agm3ntZagor: i have windows 200 and its only charging when its reboot to OF
15:29:40agm3ntZagor: with select not ask for driver
15:29:45pixelmaZagor: there is a new thread in the forums about that just popped up now
15:30:39Zagorpixelma: yeah I expect it will cause some confusion. hence I'm trying to get rid of the message.
15:31:01pixelmashould I try too (on XP)? Is the build linked an svn build or does it contain some more changes?
15:31:14Zagorit contains more changes (auto-reboot)
15:32:06pixelmahmm.., which one should I try then?
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15:32:33Zagorfor c200
15:32:45GodEaterZagor: ipod video ?
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15:36:06Zagorbtw does anyone have an usb charger?
15:36:27Zagorthose builds are supposed to detect chargers
15:37:35GodEaterI have one at home
15:37:37GodEaterbut not handy
15:37:54*pixelma waits for "database refresh" :|
15:38:23GodEaterZagor: it prompted for drivers
15:38:36XavierGrLinusN: Any news about #8178? I am itching to try it myself but I know that I might regret it ;)
15:38:45tuplanollaZagor: anything for e280?
15:39:04Zagortuplanolla: I will commit it soon
15:39:18ZagorGodEater: ok, which windows version?
15:39:25GodEaterWindows XP Pro SP1
15:39:57XavierGrA nice UI bug with database: Play music then browse the main menu and select to initialize the database, it will start counting tracks and then the only option you have is to go back to WPS. If you press the button to leave the WPS while playing music you end up in the database splash
15:40:09GodEaterand the ipod has hung too - backlight responds, but everything is locked solid
15:40:16ZagorGodEater: ok it seems xp asks for drivers and win2k doesn't
15:41:25GodEaterI don't have a win2k machine to test with I'm afraid
15:42:06pixelmaoi, yes. Rockbox changes to its USB screen and then I'm asked for new drivers (and I'm just at a normal user account atm)...
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15:43:36pixelmaand if I disconnect USB it also hangs in that screen (backlight stays on) - that was without holding select
15:44:06pixelmaWinXP pro SP2
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15:45:20agm3ntpixelma: i test it on xp and have the same results
15:46:03GodEaterZagor: is this stack going to run on the Gigabeat as well ? Or really really portalplayer only ?
15:46:03Zagorpixelma, agm3nt: binary updated, please try again
15:46:22pixelmaat least holding select seems to get it into charging mode (statusbar shows the USB plug and the battery is animated)
15:46:59ZagorGodEater: currently only portalplayer 502x
15:47:42markunGodEater, Zagor: I don't really know how we could use it on the Gigabeat anyway.
15:48:04GodEatermarkun: I think I'm getting my processors muddled
15:48:14markunThe ATA bridge and the USB 1.1 device are both connected to the USB hub
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15:48:27GodEaterthe gigabeat S is the one with the we could use it on I believe ?
15:48:31markunin the OF you have a setting which of the 2 should be used
15:48:37markunGodEater: yes
15:48:42GodEateryeah - I got confusd
15:51:02agm3ntZagor: with select it ask for driver
15:51:09pixelmaZagor: ok, now it reboots to OF, I'm still asked for new drivers but I can skip that step and it continues as normal
15:51:35Zagorpixelma: nice. can you tell if it is charging if you hold select?
15:53:29pixelmasame there, it seems to go into charging mode but I'm again asked for a new driver
15:55:27Zagoryeah we'll have to live with the driver question for now it seems
15:55:40pixelmaso it does what it supposed to do but confuses XP a bit
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15:56:52amiconnGodEater: You still run SP1??
15:57:11GodEateramiconn: *I* don't run windows at all
15:57:14GodEaterthis is a work PC
15:57:23GodEaterand SP2 hasn't been signed off here yet
15:57:42GodEaterthere are a number of issues with DCOM and SMS integration
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15:59:36Zagorok i'll commit this then
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16:01:39pixelmawith a small warning about the driver question in the commit message? =)
16:02:43GodEaterand an accompanying "Project News" Entry on the front page too
16:02:54Zagorah, that was a good idea. but I didn't read it before pressing "enter" :-)
16:03:11GodEaterabout time you implement that svn hook for updating commit messages then ;)
16:03:36pixelmathen GodEater's idea is still a good possibility ;)
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16:05:06Zagoryeah, doing that now
16:06:02*GodEater updates MajorChanges too
16:06:13GodEatercan someone check the device list and make sure I didn't screw it up ?
16:06:28pixelmaor is there a wiki page about the usb stack which could be linked to (and more easily be updated)?
16:06:57GodEaterDocumentation? This soon after a commit? You're hoping aren't you? :)
16:07:14Zagorthere is one but it doesn't contain any info about my code. i'll update that soonish. now I have to rush.
16:07:28pixelmaGodEater: :)
16:08:12pixelmaI more had one in mind that describes the progress... maybe
16:08:36GodEaterSo to prevent a hung player (iPod), hold menu when inserting the cable yes ?
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16:10:49pixelmafor me it doesn't hang anymore when connecting to USB what I had with the first version to, now it reboots to OF. Have to hold select on c200 if I only want it to charge, so I would expect that holding menu on Ipod does the same
16:11:08GodEateryeah, I got no reboot here
16:11:39Zagorgotta go
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16:12:56pixelmaGodEater: with the latest version, i.e. what was committed?
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16:14:02GodEaternot tried it - only the custom build Zagor sent me
16:14:55*GodEater tries updating again
16:15:22PaulJamdid anyone notice rockbox often frezing when connecting to USB with recent builds? (h300)
16:15:57XavierGrPaulJam I just had that behaviour on my gigabeat :(
16:17:10GodEaterpixelma: yep - definitely no reboot
16:17:42GodEatermind you - it didn't hang this time
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16:19:48pixelmathe delta table shows weird differences again... now it almost looks like the H10 got all the rest that was "missing" in yesterdays commit
16:19:59PaulJamHmm, with reset settings it seems to work fine. no freeze so far.
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16:29:27PaulJamXavierGr: do you use any of the database features?
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16:30:54XavierGrPaulJam: No, only once or two to see how it is like
16:33:04XavierGrPaulJam: I may not use it but I think I have it enabled
16:33:54PaulJamit could be related to the freeze on USB, but i'm still testing.
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16:48:51pondlifeHmm, not sure if this is a bug or a build quirk...
16:49:10pondlifeAfter making an H340 build and zip, I get an engineeer2.rwps, but no .wps
16:49:27pondlifeSame for iAmp and marquee
16:49:35pondlifeand zezayer
16:49:37PaulJamXavierGr: do you have gather runtime data and autoupdate enabled? for me it seems to freeze every time when both are enabled, but not when only one is enabled.
16:50:55everthmm, i'm strugling with encoding video for my sansa:
16:51:02evertffmpeg -i Family.Guy.s02e01.Peter.Peter.Caviar.Eater.XviD-SChiZO.avi -s 220x176 -vcodec mpeg2video -b 600K -ab 192K -ac 2 -ar 441000 -acodec mp3 s2e01.mpg
16:51:07evertwhat's wrong with this command ?
16:51:15PaulJampondlife: propaby because the h300 lcd remote is the same like the h100 remote, so they use the same rwps
16:51:19evertError while opening codec for output stream #0.1 - maybe incorrect parameters such as bit_rate, rate, width or height
16:51:22evertthat's the error
16:52:11GodEaterPaulJam: why would that have anything to do with not getting the .wps ? He says he gets the .rwps
16:52:27pondlifePlus if build is deciding that the engineeer2.wps is no good for H300, why do I still get the engineeer2 directory full of bitmap...?
16:52:33pondlifeSmells wrong
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16:54:31Tbanzatohello there,
16:54:59PaulJamGodeater: because there is no 220x176 version of engineer2 wps but a 128x64 version of the rwps.
16:55:08GodEaterPaulJam: aaah - I see
16:55:26TbanzatoI'm willing to install rockbox on my ipod 5.5G I was wondering what video file formats does it suports
16:55:32GodEatermpeg 2
16:56:03Soap_mpeg 1 as well ;)
16:56:07Tbanzatogreat, so is there a pluggin or something to run dvix videos?
16:56:25Soap_we said mpeg 1, not divx/xvid/mpeg4 SP.
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16:56:43Tbanzatook, no need to get angry,
16:56:55GodEaterwe don't really recommend the ipod 5.5G for watching video anyway in rockbox
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16:57:01GodEateryou're better off using the apple firmware for that
16:57:33Tbanzatowow divx on apple firmware?
16:57:45GodEaterI said "video" - not divx
16:57:51Tbanzatoyeah weird I would say
16:57:54Soap_excuse me, divx is MPEG-4 ASP, not SP
16:58:07Tbanzatouhmm I see
16:58:10Tbanzatogot it now
16:58:13GodEaterI've no clue what format video the OF uses
16:58:28GodEaterall I know is it does a better job of playing back fullscreen video than rockbox does
16:58:31TbanzatoI just want to try something diferent from the apple system
16:58:31Soap_MPEG-4 AVC is what iPod original firmware uses.
16:59:32Tbanzatogreat to know
16:59:46GodEaterfor music though, we kick their ass :)
17:00:06Tbanzatoyeah I was checking out some videos on youtube and so
17:00:09Tbanzatoloved it
17:00:47*GodEater wonders how you can tell through youtube's crumby audio
17:01:05Soap_beware of the /large/ amount of misinformation contained in ALL of the YouTube videos about Rockbox I have seen.
17:01:39GodEaterparticularly the "it will look l33t just like this when you're done installing" theme that they all seem to carry
17:03:06Tbanzatogot it
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17:04:14GodEaterall we're really saying is : read the manual first, and understand what you're doing :)
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17:51:51pondlifeHmm, we made the Bangkok Post...
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17:59:48PaulJamcalendar plugin on ipods?
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18:09:56AceNik_guys my h10 does not go into disk mode with the new usb stack, how does it work, i just plugged usb in, i get a usb pic, but XP does not detect it as HDD or any device, just makes a noise as being detected but nothing shows up
18:11:25AceNik_changename AceNik
18:11:37PaulJamAceNik_: i think you still need to boot into the OF for USB.
18:12:19AceNik_pauljam: with the old stack, we used to press the "o" button in rockbox, then the player rebooted, n went into HDD mode
18:12:30pixelmaI think you need to hold a button?
18:12:59AceNik_pixelma: with the usb stack what button is it?
18:13:33pixelmait should be still the same - and the usb stack is not fully working yet
18:14:13AceNik_pixelma: but i saw a fix for the pp502X that makes it work ?
18:14:23AceNik_jus the recent builds
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18:15:57pixelmait's mentioned in short words in the project news on the front page. It's still work in progress... e.g. on my c200 it still reboots to OF for a USB connection
18:16:22pondlifeGodEater: Was it a bit early to mention the USB stack in MajorChanges, maybe?
18:16:35pondlifeI read that as "it's done"....
18:16:40AceNik_pixelma: ok ill probably wait a lil
18:16:43pondlife...which surprised me
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18:28:16webguest15I no longer have logf display with last svn (today) on my iriver h10, someone has an idea ?
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18:32:49pondlifeBlimey the database initialisation is going slow... looking on the debug screen it's doing about 3 files per second :/
18:36:34pondlifeAh, enabling dircache helps a lot
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18:48:56amiconnAnyone with a G4 greyscale or color around?
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18:56:44Mouser_Xamiconn: My brother has a G4 iPod, if I understand his descriptions correctly. He's not here though, nor does he have it with him... (maybe he sold it...) Sorry I couldn't be of help.
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18:58:09amiconnI'll commit away, and wait for screaming users... honestly, my commit cannot make things worse - it might not work, but current svn will not work for sure
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18:58:39amiconn(usb pin detect for ipod is only correct for Nano and Video in svn atm)
18:59:03michikunzAnybody knows the TECHLINE DF 23?
19:01:38pixelmaGodEater said, he wouldn't get the expected reboot on USB connect on his Video too (with current SVN)
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19:05:24linuxstbamiconn: I'm around now.
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19:06:15amiconnI just committed a fix for the USB detect pin on G4/Color/Mini1+2. Could you check whether GPIO D3 is correct for the Color?
19:06:21amiconnI expect it to be...
19:06:50amiconnIt's not yet built by the build system though - Slasheri was faster ;)
19:07:09linuxstbI didn't think there was a USB detect pin on GPIO - just power/charging.
19:07:24amiconnYes, that's the pin I mean
19:07:36amiconnDetecting USB plugin in general - power or port
19:07:52Slasheriamiconn :)
19:08:02linuxstbWasn't there working code before for that?
19:08:18amiconnWe did not use that pin at all
19:08:56amiconnBut using it is better - if the pin detects nothing, there's no point in running the USB controller
19:09:10amiconnSaves a few mA according to saratoga
19:10:26amiconnjhMikeS: around?
19:11:40amiconnSlasheri: Btw, did you update arm-elf-gcc on your build servers?
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19:12:19Slasheriamiconn: hmm, not for a some (long) time
19:12:33amiconnThere was a call for that on the ml iirc
19:12:45Slasheriah, i will check
19:12:56amiconnWe still use 4.0.3, but you need to apply the multilibs patch
19:13:02linuxstbamiconn: Yes, D3 goes high when I attach USB on my Color.
19:13:08amiconnOtherwise the m:robe 500 build will error out
19:13:18Slasherican do that automatically?
19:13:23amiconnlinuxstb: Thanks. As I expected :)
19:13:31amiconnAfaik it can
19:13:37*amiconn doesn't use
19:13:40linuxstbYes, it can.
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19:14:15amiconnSlasheri: See last build round for an example of the error ;\
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19:17:48amiconnReboot to diskmode and charging work as expected on mini now, but the 'new hardware' thing is annoying
19:18:04amiconnEspecially when working as a restricted user, as I normally do
19:18:09hamdiyai recently bought a Medion jukebox aka Aldipod
19:18:22hamdiyait's based on the PP5020 chip
19:18:39hamdiyaatm, there is no port for it
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19:18:59hamdiyais there any similar port that i can edit a bit to make it work on the aldipod?
19:19:46linuxstbIt's going to be more work than just "edit a bit"... Do you know what other components are inside?
19:20:15hamdiyai can try and open it up if necessary
19:20:23hamdiyai have a knowledge in electronics
19:20:26hamdiyaso i think i will know my way around it
19:20:58linuxstbSeen this page ?
19:22:04hamdiyai read that maybe the iriver h10 is similar, hardware wise, and that i can edit the port and make it work on my aldipod
19:27:05pixelmahamdiya: I believe there were a few interested users in the new ports forum, someone of them also mentioned another (german) forum I believe where he tried to gather more people. But haven't heard anything about it in a looong time...
19:28:30hamdiyai actually saw that post but ended with no results
19:28:40hamdiyaive also seen that german forum (using google translation tools) but it doens't mention anything about ports to the aldipod
19:31:05linuxstbThe "Tatung Elio" port will probably be a good place to start - it doesn't work, which means it's generic code that will run on any PP5020 target. You can then use that as a basis for developing an LCD driver, which is pretty much the first thing that needs doing on any port.
19:32:36linuxstbYou can compile it by choosing a that target, and a "bootloader" build. The code itself is bootloader/tpj1022.c (the main() function), and that uses code from firmware/
19:33:27amiconnYeah, that port from mr. "let's commit the beginnings of e a port, then abandon it" ;\
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19:34:24linuxstbI'll be happy to remove it...
19:34:50amiconnFinishing it at least up to the stage where it plays music would be better...
19:34:56hamdiyacan i find this 'tatung elio' port on rockbox?
19:35:21linuxstbYes, it's in Rockbox SVN.
19:37:57amiconnGodEater: I tried latest svn on G5.5 now, and it works as expected (reboots into diskmode with no button, and starts charging when holding Menu)
19:38:26linuxstbBut you get a "new hardware" message?
19:39:29linuxstbWhen charging?
19:39:34amiconnPlus a window asking me for an administrator login, which I then cancel, and windows complains that it couldn't install the hardware
19:39:38amiconnIn either case
19:39:57pixelmasame here on c200 (with both)
19:40:08amiconn(that is, in the USB case the "new hardware" message pops up before the ipod reboots)
19:41:15amiconnThis is expected iiuc,as our USB stack identifies itself as using a vendor specific protocol
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19:48:11hamdiyai am having trouble decrypting the firwmare
19:48:12hamdiyamaybe i wasn't using mi4Code correctly
19:48:17hamdiyacan someone check it please?
19:48:21hamdiyait comes in an .mi4 format
19:48:21hamdiyalink is:
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19:50:53DerPapsthey amiconn
19:51:07DerPapsti wanted to test rb on my 3G but i can't.
19:51:37DerPapstrb always shuts down the player because the battery is dead.
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19:51:49DerPapstbut it's connected to a charger
19:52:25DerPapstbut since i can't compile currently i can't disable this function
19:52:29PaulJamDerPapst: there were several reports about this problem here.
19:52:59DerPapstabout ipods in general or this specific generation?
19:53:09PaulJamonly g3
19:53:43amiconnSo maybe adc is broken somehow?
19:53:54amiconn(adc driver in rockbox I mean)
19:54:10DerPapstapple firmware says it's still arround 40%
19:54:30amiconnToo bad that the only dev with a G3 seems to have vanished :(
19:54:44DerPapstthough the battery is nearly half dead.. full charged maybe one hour of runtime in OF
19:54:52{EDF}SSwhich folders does rockbox use? ONLY the .rockbox folder?
19:55:08linuxstbhamdiya: You don't have a link to the .mi4 file itself?
19:55:10{EDF}SSoverwriting it didn't fix my problem, guess I'll delete and re-copy
19:55:54DerPapstmaybe just delete your config?
19:56:07amiconnBehaviour on H10 is broken
19:56:08{EDF}SSis the entire config in 1 file?
19:56:25hamdiyait comes with this zip package
19:56:32hamdiyabut if you really want just the mi4 file
19:56:35hamdiyawill upload it 4 u
19:56:35hamdiyaull find it under the System folder which is in the zip
19:57:14hamdiyaseems like there is lag with me, messages wrongly ordered
19:57:21amiconnPlain english please
19:57:29{EDF}SShooray I fixed my ipod again, guess I didn't need you guys after all :P
19:57:31*amiconn points to topic
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19:57:49DerPapstamiconn: i can test whatever changes you tell me. unfortunately my understanding about low level stuff is nearly not existing
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19:58:50linuxstbhanmdiya: That's OK, I didn't notice the .exe was a self-extracting ZIP. No need to upload the file.
20:00:12linuxstbhanmdiya: mi4code decrypts that file fine, with the default key.
20:00:40hamdiyashould i use a hex editor to look into it?
20:00:47hamdiyaor is there a better way?
20:01:26bertrikI tried enabling USB_STORAGE but I get a compile error for function usb_storage_transfer_complete and queue_post
20:01:54PaulJamSlasheri: do you think your last commit might fix FS #8214 ?
20:02:49linuxstbhamdiya: A hex editor won't help, you'll want an ARM disassembler. If you install the Rockbox toolchain, you'll have "arm-elf-objdump" which you can use, or the disassembler in the utils/ directory in the Rockbox source.
20:04:11hamdiyaill download that now
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20:06:16SlasheriPaulJam: yes, it should fix that
20:06:29PaulJamcool, thanks
20:06:38Slasheriyou can close that task
20:08:50hamdiyacant find the toolchain mentioned above
20:08:52hamdiyaa link please?
20:10:13PaulJami don't have that powers, but i requested a closure.
20:10:22linuxstbhamdiya: Have you downloaded the Rockbox source code?
20:10:54linuxstbhamdiya: Some useful starting points -
20:13:04XavierGrPaulJam: done
20:13:23hamdiyathe package is about 10MB right?
20:13:31hamdiyathink i found the source code
20:13:59linuxstbI don't know, I use SVN
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20:15:25hamdiyacrap, gtg
20:15:32hamdiyai will be back later on
20:15:38hamdiyathanks for your time linuxstb
20:15:41hamdiyamuch appreciated
20:15:45hamdiyabye now :)
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21:00:31darkredflameAnybody knows where I can get the Rockbox Media Player driver?
21:01:23bertrikyou mean a USB mass storage driver or something like that?
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21:02:21darkredflameI just updated my version from one back in July
21:02:44darkredflamePlugged it in and a new hardware wizard came up saying
21:02:48darkredflameRockbox Media Player
21:03:21bertrikoh, that just got in SVN yesterday, it's not completely ready yet as far as I know
21:03:37linuxstbdarkredflame - Just ignore it - see the latest news item on the Rockbox home page.
21:03:40nanokdarkredflame: which target? (player)
21:03:47darkredflameE200 Series
21:03:59nanokdarkredflame: as linuxstb says, ignore it ;)
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21:04:08nanokdamn, i must update
21:04:32nanoklong live zagor ;), i can;t wait to charge my sansa on the usb, without rebooting
21:04:34amiconnBtw, I don't like that generic 'Rockbox media player' id string
21:04:55nanokdarkredflame: the major difference now is you will be able to use the rockbox while charging
21:04:59amiconnIt will make it difficult to distinguish them when several are connected...
21:05:19darkredflameLike how nanok?
21:05:32darkredflameAll i'm seeing is the generic charging screen
21:05:45nanokamiconn: is there a hw id advertised by the usb cheap which is unique to each device and could be read and used?
21:06:01bertrikamiconn: there is a unique player id inside the AS3514, we could use that as part of the USB descriptors, so the OS can keep players apart
21:06:11linuxstbnanok: Rockbox uses the USB device ID of the original firmware.
21:06:19bertrikAFAIK that is what the OF does
21:06:22nanokdarkredflame: boot rockbox, hold the button in the middle of the wheel while pluging to the computer
21:06:55linuxstbnanok: Sorry, I meant USB Vendor/Product IDs...
21:07:02nanokdarkredflame: you will be able to use the player as if nothing happened
21:07:19nanoklinuxstb: but that is only unique to the product line, or to each singular device?
21:08:00bertriknanok: the AS3514 id is unique, it's part of the USB serial number
21:08:01darkredflameDoesn't seem it charging, but what do I know, I'm not on the team
21:08:19nanokdarkredflame: i haven;t even had the time to try it yet
21:08:37darkredflameNot working with my model
21:08:37nanokanybody know if there is also some code to display the charging status on the sansa?
21:08:51darkredflameIt still says the battery life (Hours+Minutes)
21:09:38darkredflameActually I think you jsut go to System>Rockbox Info
21:09:39nanokdarkredflame: that's just what it displays i think, maybe there is no support yet (or maybe not in the theme/wps you use) to display the current charging status
21:09:59nanokdamn it, i have to try it, been waiting for this for weeks.. :)
21:10:16*nanok goes to update the rockbox on his e200
21:10:33darkredflameI don't care really, as long as I can use it
21:10:34bertriknanok: I'm trying it out now, but I can't even get windows to configure it as mass storage
21:10:50nanokbertrik: that is not possible yet
21:11:12darkredflameYesterday my database got corrupted... Sigh
21:11:20bertrikI want to make it possible
21:11:24nanokbertrik: zagor only submited the part for usb power request, with some "dummy" mass storage (he is still working on the mass storage stuff)
21:11:27pixelmaif you look at the homepage it tells you, that ot only charges yet
21:11:35darkredflameHappened when I made a custom theme using the orginial firmware
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21:12:27bertrikOh but I see he already committed the BOT and SCSI stuff
21:13:25bertrikand even without real mass storage, I should be able to make windows see at least the proper USB storage descriptors
21:14:17nanokbertrik: give me a minute to update mine, and i will see what it does on linux
21:14:43nanokmaybe it helps you figure something out
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21:18:22amiconnlinuxstb, bertrik: I know that the VID and PID are unique, but I would like the name to be unique as well, because that's what windows displays when it find new hardware
21:18:49amiconnLike "Rockboxed ipod Mini 2nd Gen" or similar
21:19:29bertrikThat should be doable, just requires a handful of #fidefs :P
21:20:13amiconnI wonder whether there is a better way to write UTF16 strings than putting every single char into an array
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21:21:02bertrikWrite a little conversion routine I suppose
21:21:05darkredflame*Sigh* I have no idea what you guys are talking about
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21:21:30amiconnbertrik: Compile time...
21:21:42nanokdarkredflame: this is a developer-oriented channel. dont;t worry, i don;t understand shit either :)
21:21:56nanokdamn ;
21:22:01nanoktoo short finger..
21:22:06*stripwax chuckles
21:22:25amiconnbertrik: Look at that diff:;r2=15772
21:22:48nanokusb 4-4: USB disconnect, address 83
21:22:48nanokusb 4-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 84
21:22:48DBUGEnqueued KICK nanok
21:22:48nanokusb 4-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
21:22:50bertrikamiconn: I haven't seen anything better than what is currently used
21:23:04nanokthis is all i get. there is no attempt of usb-storage communication, it seems
21:23:06bertriknanok: ah, so under Linux it configures at least
21:23:22nanokyes, but no mass storage (not even a try)
21:23:50nanokthe mass storage module is separate, what you see above is from the usb driver only
21:24:19nanokso it is basically the same as what happens in windows
21:25:05nanoknormally, after the usb driver does it's thing, the usb-storage module is "called", and some other stuff happens
21:25:15nanoki would paste, but it's too much i am afraid
21:25:36scorche| :)
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21:26:18nanokscorche|w: good point :)
21:28:40bertriknanok: the connect/disconnect doesn't look too good yet ... :(
21:29:21darkredflameI have to return my E260
21:29:27darkredflameTo many scan lines
21:29:53nanokbertrik: this is what it looks like when connecting to it when it is in the OF
21:30:14nanokbertrik: what do you mean?
21:32:33stripwax"too many scan lines"?
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21:34:25darkredflameI dropped my E260 on the ground the other day and it turned off
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21:34:38darkredflameTurned it back on and it had scan lines
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21:34:56darkredflameIt would be okay if the scan lines werent to big
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21:35:21stripwaxSorry, but I don't know what "had scan lines" means
21:35:47darkredflameOne second
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21:36:06darkredflameA scan line is one line, or row, in a raster scanning pattern, such as a video line on a cathode ray tube (CRT) display of a television or computer.
21:36:21darkredflameLike to put it in layman terms
21:36:25Tormenton sansa i used to be able to press the down button while an audio file and bring up the menu that shows bookmarks, delete, etc −− whered that go?
21:36:30darkredflameIts a bunch of lines going down your screen
21:37:01stripwaxdarkredflame - :) I know what scan lines *are*, but I don't understand your description of the damage. all LCDs are processed as lines of pixels right, are you saying alternate rows are missing?
21:37:46nanokTorment: the keys were slightly remaped. the context menu now works on a long press of the button in the middle of the wheel
21:37:59nanokTorment: the "down" button is now the main menu
21:38:08darkredflameActually I think it would be easier if I just uploaded a picture of it and pasted it here
21:38:21Tormentnanok: ah thats it −− thanks a bunch
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21:39:22darkredflameShit... thats not good
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21:40:22darkredflameThat was strange
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21:41:27darkredflameOne moment strip
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21:44:01bobruleshow come rockbox can't view the pictures taht came with my player?
21:44:05amiconnmrf. If wchar_t in arm-elf-gcc were 16 bit, those UTF16 string could be written in a nice way. But wchar_t is 32 bit :(
21:45:11darkredflameThe scan line volume is slighty annoying when watching movies
21:46:39bertrikmy USB broke down, I'll get a new one tomorrow and do some testing with the USBCV tool
21:46:50bertrik(USB hub I mean)
21:47:06stripwaxbobrules - if you can tell us a) what player you have (make, model) and b) what pictures came with it, maybe we can answer your question
21:47:21bobrulessansa e250, I belive it's jpg
21:47:35stripwaxbobrules - believe - can you check?
21:47:50stripwaxrockbox should be able to view .jpg, using the jpeg viewer
21:48:02bertrikthe sansa example photos are bmp on my sansa
21:48:41bobrulesit's bmp
21:48:54bobrulesso it can't view bmp?
21:48:59stripwaxdarkredflame - hm, that doesnt' look great does it. is it covered by warranty?
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21:49:06bertrikI think we have an image viewer that can show jpeg but not bmp, and we have album art that can show bmp but not jpeg
21:49:06stripwaxbobrules - rockbox can also view bitmaps
21:49:34bobrulesis the bmp viewer built in?
21:49:35stripwaxyou can use .bmp as backgrounds and albumart
21:50:01PaulJam_well, you can open bitmaps with the rockpaint plugin via the open with menu.
21:50:18stripwaxPaulJam_ : - good point. bobrules, rockpaint is built-in
21:50:34bobruleslcd mode -> inverse looks really good
21:50:51bobrulessteps plz?
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21:51:23stripwaxbobrules - steps to do what, sorry?
21:51:31bobrulesI found it under applictations
21:51:55bobruleswhen I go into rockpaint it shows a blank screen
21:52:02stripwaxbobrules - exactly as PaulJam_ said - you can open bitmaps using the "open with" menu
21:52:30stripwaxyou should be able to also load the image once you've loaded rockpaint
21:52:41bobruleswhere's open with?
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21:53:05stripwaxbobrules - if I tell you are you going to say "nvm" again?
21:53:15bobruleshow do I get to the open with menu?
21:53:38stripwaxhold down the selection button, same as if you're playing a file but *hold it down*. and read the manual.
21:54:28bobrulesoh my god I'm so dumb
21:54:29nanokstripwax: that's a very good advice, and i should follow it also this weekend, see what i can add to it and such
21:55:07stripwaxnanok - great!
21:55:27bobrulesrockpaint still doesn't show the image
21:55:28*nanok was thinking terry pratchet, but the rockbox manual sounds like a lot more fun
21:55:49bobrulesit froze my palyer
21:55:58stripwaxbobrules - I just tried it on a bitmap and it worked for me
21:56:18nanokstripwax: the weather seems shit, so no point to go to the mountains, thus maybe i can actually find some time to read it from start to end
21:56:50nanoki don;t even completely know all the rockbox features to be really honest, i am sure. and some i think i will like to use
21:56:53bobrulesfroze again
21:57:08bobrulesforget it
21:57:12nanoki was so stunned with crossfeed and the eq i didn't care much about anything else :)
21:57:44bobruleswhat's cross feed I tried it , how is it good?
21:58:23bertrikit bleeds some audio from left to right and vice versa, but in an intelligent way
21:58:25stripwaxdoes 'forget it' mean you got it to work, or does it mean you didn't get it to work? or should we just forget about the whole thing?
21:58:41bobrulesdoes it make the music sound better?
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21:58:51bertrikbobrules: makes a lot of music sound better, more 'in your head'
21:59:03*stripwax shrugs and goes back to 'are you smarter than a 10 year old' on sky one
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21:59:38darkredflameSorry about that, i'm abck
22:00:01darkredflameAs long as I uninstall rockbox and and use the orginial firmware again
22:00:07darkredflameIt should be under warranty
22:00:08bobrulescan anyone tell me the best bass and tremble config ,
22:00:40bertrikofcourse not
22:00:54bobrulesis there a magical number?
22:00:59nanokbobrules: mine is the best
22:01:20nanokbobrules: use what works best for you :), it was a joke
22:01:38bobrulesalso, dithering is that useful?
22:01:49stripwaxbobrules - did you read the manual yet?
22:01:52bertrikbobrules: it adds noise :P
22:01:58darkredflamePlayin Pokemanz on mah E260
22:02:08PaulJam_the "best" setting propably highly depends on your headphones/speakers
22:02:21bobruleswhere's the manual?
22:02:48bobrulesi didn't know there was a mnual
22:03:24bobrulesanyone here develops for the official build?
22:04:38stripwaxbobrules- all of the developers do. is there anything in particular you want information about? if so you can just ask
22:05:27stripwaxbobrules - the manual is linked from the *front page* of . should we make the link bigger?
22:05:30bobrulesno just asking
22:05:39bobrulesbrb reading the manual
22:05:44bobrulesI'll ask more when I'm done
22:05:51darkredflameYou guys need to make a rockbox firmware for the sansa view
22:06:51*stripwax hmms... rockpaint doesn't seem to have a section in the manual, at least for ipod 5g
22:06:52nanokdarkredflame: i think there are allready atempts to port
22:07:18bobrulescan rockbox make a nano play video?
22:07:21nanokbut, if i may say so, as a slightly external party: sandisk needs these guys to make rockbox ported to the sansa view
22:07:40darkredflameMore sales
22:07:45nanoknot the other way around, arogant as it may sound ;)
22:07:55bobrulesalso, I have a sansa250, can rockbox play video converted by the software that came with the sansa?
22:08:04nanoki bought my sansa e200 for the only reason that it can run rockbox
22:08:21darkredflameA bid corporation using a open-source third party software as their pawn, if I mgiht say so
22:08:35stripwaxbobrules - please read the section about the mpegplayer plugin
22:08:38bertriknanok: I was considering Creative Zen V and Sandisk Sansa, and chose the sansa because of rockbox
22:08:40stripwaxit will answer your questions
22:09:15darkredflameI chose the sansa because i'm a *ahem* Sandisk fanboy
22:09:35bobrulesanyone find the the buttons on sansa are to small?
22:09:44bobruleshard to press
22:09:54darkredflameSeem big enough to me
22:10:24darkredflameBleh, i'm hungry
22:10:33darkredflameDidnt have lunch and it already 4PM
22:10:44bertrikmaybe we should move over to #rockbox-community for non-technical talk
22:12:13bobrulesrockbox is really good on the sansa
22:12:19bobrulesI hate the blue light so much
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22:12:21bobrulesso I turned it off
22:14:39stripwaxI left my 5g video, idle, in the Diag mode with backlight turned off, to see how long it would run before running the battery flat. Now unfortunately, I wasn't around when it actually turned off (was fast asleep), but I put it at between 12 and 16 hours, which is less than people get in practice running the OF for music.
22:14:41darkredflameSorry about that bert, getting off topic a little bit
22:14:54darkredflameI'll be back in a bit, going to get food
22:15:40nanokdarkredflame: bertrik's suggestion is a good one, see /topic
22:15:40stripwaxSo I'm expecting that there are some additional power-saving features that are only enabled in the main code but not in the diag firmware.
22:17:02nanokstripwax: perhaps they stripped it of all unnecesarry things, to keep it small and simple to "maintain"
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22:17:09nanokstripwax: no pun intended :)
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22:18:43bobrulesis the battery time accurate?
22:19:10stripwaxnanok - could be. actually I wonder if the serial output is used by the diag mode and if rockbox doesn't explicitly disable some component that drives that
22:19:14*nanok salutes Zagor, man of the day :)
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22:20:01bertrikstripwax: interesting idea
22:20:05nanokZagor: shit, i just realised: 22 was my birthday, i could arogantly lead myself to believe i got the usb power code as a preasent for my birthday
22:20:17nanokone of the best i ever received, i must add ;)
22:20:32Zagornanok: sure, indulge yourself :)
22:21:04bertrikZagor: I'll get a new USB hub tomorrow and do some testing against the USBCV tool
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22:22:03nanokZagor: allready am, i have my sansa plugged in, and been grinning like and idiot for the past 30 minutes :)
22:22:17Zagorbertrik: I wouldn't expect us to perform very well in that tool, but it can't hurt
22:22:22nanoki need to discharge it though, to actually see it charge..
22:23:04bertriknanok: I think it still charges with only 50 mA and only up to 3.9V...
22:23:09Rincewindmy sansa crashed when i plugged it in usb (in rockbox)
22:23:30bobrulesrince wind it should automatically go back to your OF
22:23:30nanokbertrik: yes, but i mean to see an actual difference after a while
22:23:41nanokRincewind: what do you mean by "crash"
22:24:02Rincewindby crash I mean freezing of the screen, no responding, needing a reset
22:24:57nanokbobrules: you can use tab key in most irc clients to autocomplete nicks, so you don;t have to type them, and no, if rb is running it won;t reboot to of, on the sansa at least
22:25:20nanokRincewind: if you just unplug the cable doesn;t it come back?
22:25:24bobrulesoh cool
22:25:33Rincewindno, like I said, it needed a reset
22:25:55PaulJam_Rincewind: which version? try if it still happens with the most recent version. there was a bug that caused freezing on my device.
22:26:01bobrulesrockbox can't play wma right?
22:26:12bertrikofcourse it can
22:26:22nanokRincewind: this should not happen, does it do it "reliably", every time? which build?
22:26:30bertrikbut only drm-free wma I think
22:26:32scorche|wi wouldnt say "of course", but yes it can :)
22:26:33bobruleswhere can I find the video compatibillity page?
22:26:51scorche|wbobrules: PluginMpegplayer
22:27:01stripwaxI think I mentioned that earlier
22:27:18Zagoramiconn: windows displays the "soft" name when new hardware is found. currently "Rockbox media player"
22:27:23Zagorat least XP did
22:27:25bobrulesbut it's a mpeg player, not a wma player
22:27:39scorche|wbobrules: wma isnt video...
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22:28:08Zagorah, you saw :)
22:28:10scorche|wrockbox wont support that
22:28:10Rincewindit was the most recent version. I tried it only once.
22:28:35bobrulesrockbox is really cool
22:28:39bobrulesit's like ubuntu
22:29:05mokkurkalveRockbox added a codec couple of months ago to play WMA. It plays DRM-free WMA standard v1 & v2 I think, not WMA pro or lossless....
22:29:18stripwaxbobrules - rockbox is *nothing like* ubuntu
22:29:39Zagorbertrik: what makes you think the power isn't working?
22:29:41stripwaxthe mpegplayer plugin only plays mpeg 1 and 2 videos. there is no other video player plugin
22:29:51bobrulesoh sorry, I meant wmv rock box can't play wmv right?
22:29:59nanokto be really honest, i wouldn't even bother with anything with w in the name..oh, but that;s a flamewar, dissregard
22:30:03Rincewindnanok: the reason might be that I use an older bootloader
22:30:09stripwaxbobrules - right, because wmv isn't mpeg1 or mpeg2
22:30:20stripwaxnot sure I can be any more clear though
22:30:36bobruleswhen you convert a video using the softare that came with the sansa, what format is it in?
22:30:36bertrikZagor: the charger circuit on the AS3514 isn't configured for a higher current than default, or is it now?
22:30:49scorche|wbobrules: it wont work
22:30:57nanokRincewind: hm, i am not very sure how exactly the bootloader works with rockbox, but i think it shouldn't matter much once you are allready running rb
22:30:59mokkurkalveof video only mpeg1 and mpeg2 are supportet
22:31:22scorche|wbobrules: if you looked on the wikipage i told you to look at, you would find a few programs and instructions for encoding your videos
22:31:34Zagorbertrik: ah. no, I haven't looked at the AS3514 code. I thought you meant the usb power code isn't working.
22:31:41bobrules.MPG is mpege right?
22:32:24nanokbobrules: do not confuse the extension with the codec, but it usually is, or should be
22:32:26bertrikZagor: I do wonder if you can really draw extra power if the USB device has not been configured (with a set configuration request I mean)
22:32:53bertrikAFAIK, set configuration is only sent when windows found a driver for the device
22:33:26bertrikI'll have to read up on that
22:33:34Zagoraha. linux sets configuration even without driver.
22:33:38bobrulesdoes itdoes mpeg run at 10fps?
22:33:47nanokbertrik: but the usb device is configured i think, just not usb-storage. if it works in windows similar to linux, that is seaprated (another layer, so to speak)
22:33:59scorche|wthat depends on a number of factors
22:34:08Zagorenabling logf will find that out pretty quickly
22:34:28bertriknanok: no, as far as I know, an USB device is not configured until windows found a driver
22:34:32PaulJam_to add a little bit of confusion: i think rockbox actually supports wmv more or less. afaik it attempts to play the audio part, but no video.
22:35:01scorche|wPaulJam_: well, that is wma...
22:35:06linuxstbPaulJam_: Strictly speaking, Rockbox supports wma streams in ASF files. It ignores any other streams, such as wmv
22:35:08Zagornanok: "set configuration" is a usb command the host sends to the device
22:35:18nanokbertrik: aham, so the fact that it connects to it, at "first" usb level, is not enough, it wants to know if it's usb mass storage, or whatever..
22:35:35nanokbertrik: that sounds ugly :(
22:35:42bertriknanok: I'm trying to look it up now, I'll give a reference once I know
22:35:44bobrulesdoes rockbox play flash videos?
22:36:07scorche|wbobrules: last time... ONLY MPEG1 AND MPEG2 VIDEOS
22:36:13stripwaxbobrules - sigh - what did I just say about mpegplayer being the *only* video player?
22:36:24nanokbertrik: btw, i think in windows there is a way to give full power to an usb device, or port, i think it works even with very dumb usb devices, which don;t know to request that
22:36:27bobrulessorry in my mind, rockbox can do anything
22:36:28*stripwax hits the drink
22:36:40*scorche|w begs stripwax to share
22:37:03stripwax:) back in ten
22:37:17bobrulesI like how when you plug the usb in the player, it automatically switch back to original firmware
22:38:05PaulJam_i wouldn't like if my h300 did that :)
22:38:14nanokbertrik: i am not sure, i seem to vaguely remeber you could do something like that, maybe you can figure it out and see if it actually works for charging the rb sansa?..
22:38:40darkredflameYum... Baked Ziti
22:38:43bobruleswhen you develop rockbox is it in C?
22:38:43nanokPaulJam_: you lucky bastard, shut up :)
22:39:19bertrikparagraph 9.1.2, point 8 on page 244 of the USB2.0 spec says that the device can only draw the advertised current in the Configured state
22:39:24EternalRainsbobrules: Yes, it's C.
22:39:26bobruleswhy is he lucky?
22:39:34bobruleswhat's special about h300?
22:39:41nanokbobrules: you can see it for yourself in the svn, i think it is c
22:40:07bertrikbut we could build a very simple .INF file of course to get it configured
22:40:20nanokbobrules: it is iriver, probably one of the best sounding players currently produced on this planet, along with the cowon's, and it is very well supported by rb
22:40:20bertrik(at least in windows)
22:40:30Zagorbertrik: inf file?
22:40:44bobrulesI thought Ipod sound better
22:41:06scorche|wlets not turn this into a what-sounds-better debate...
22:41:17nanokZagor: i think you can fool windows to load some dummy driver just by telling it it is okay to do so for a certain model/vendor id and such, and make it happy
22:41:32bertrikZagor: it's a windows thing
22:41:53nanokbobrules: scorche|w is right, also do check -community
22:42:48*nanok bows head in shame for almost starting a flame in here
22:43:16bobrulesanyone recommend me a good theme for rb
22:43:44krazykitbobrules, look at the WPS gallery and pick one you like. we don't know your tastes.
22:43:58Zagornanok, bertrik: so you put it in \WINDOWS\SYSTEM or some similar place?
22:44:06bobrulesdid anyone make a psp like backdrop?
22:44:24krazykityou could make one yourself.
22:46:01bertrikZagor: I know that it is possible to to use a .inf file to associate a device with libusb somehow, so libusb0.sys acts as the driver. I don't know how to do it without libusb
22:46:18Zagorright, windows does not send set_config for the current code. linux does though.
22:46:33Zagor(tested with windows xp)
22:46:41bobruleshey I tried to play a mpg video on rb, it says, missing packet start code
22:47:47bertrikZagor: I vaguely remember there was a utility that came with libusb to create a .inf file (given a USB VID/PID) but can't find it right now
22:47:53bobruleswhat does that mean?
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22:50:21EternalRainsbobrules: Your video may be missing a three-byte signature in the beginning of the file. Try it with a different file.
22:50:48bobrulescan I re encode it?
22:52:04EternalRainsThat goes beyond my powers of Google. Try it with a _wholly_ different file to see if it works.
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22:54:29bertrikah found the inf wizard again
22:55:51bobrulessansa e200 screen is 16:9 right?
22:56:45bertrikno 176:220 = 4:5
22:58:08bobrulesso Umm should I convert videos to 4:3 or 16:9
22:58:35scorche|wbobrules: does the PluginMpegplayer page not tell you?
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22:59:38bobrulesI guess there's no difference
22:59:58scorche|wthere is a difference..
23:00:56bobrulesI'll go with 4:3
23:00:59bobrulessounds better
23:04:55bobruleshey umm does rockbox video look better than OF video?
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23:07:47Soap_convert videos to best match the source
23:08:47bobrulesI have rb on my sansa, does that mean I can use SDHC cards?
23:09:23scorche|wbobrules: please start reading the manual/wikipages/forum
23:09:43bobrulessorry I can't stand reading manuals
23:09:57stripwaxbobrules - then you will probably find we can't be bothered to answer your questions
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23:10:39bobrulesI'm jsut excited
23:10:49bobrulesyay I got mpg working
23:11:33scorche|wbobrules: if you havent noticed, the channel guidelines (linked in the topic if you havent read them) require you to read the manual and search for the answer to your questions before you ask them
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23:13:24bobrulesthe screen's too small to watch videos
23:13:56stripwaxbobrules - rockbox can't make the screen bigger, sorry
23:14:32bobrulesanyone play gb games on rb?
23:14:55*Bagder just looks at bobrules
23:16:35bobrulesI have a question, when you dvelop for rockbox, does it matter what player you dvelop for?
23:16:56Bagderand no ;-)
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23:18:34bobrulesanyone using sansa and got album art working on rb, I have a Album Art.jpg for every album,
23:18:38darkredflameAnybody mind helping me with the MPEGPlugin?
23:19:02stripwaxbobrules - and you remember that we already told you that album art only works with .bmp, yes?
23:19:04Soap_darkredflame: what do you need help with which isn't covered in the PluginMpegplayer wiki page?
23:19:30*stripwax wonders if bobrules irc client is write-only
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23:19:37darkredflameJust want to get a basic input
23:19:46darkredflameUpload a .mpeg video onto your Sansa
23:19:56darkredflameAnd configure it to your plugin?
23:20:00darkredflameAnd that all?
23:20:17Soap_I do not understand the question at all darkredflame, do you mind rephrasing it?
23:20:17bobrulesand what do I have to name the bmp?
23:20:26Soap_bobrules: see the manual and the wiki.
23:20:52bobrulesalbum art doesn't only works with custom build eh
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23:21:50bobrulesthank you
23:22:06stripwaxbobrules - almost everything you have asked has already been answered in the manual, the wiki, or the forum. If you don't know how to search, tell us, and we will tell you how to search
23:22:08darkredflameSoap: All I do is put a MPEG 1/2 video on my E260 and then use the MPEG plugin?
23:22:35bobrulesthe wiki doesn't look like wikipedia
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23:22:48stripwaxbobrules - doesn't look like
23:22:59stripwaxbut it still enables you to search
23:23:03Soap_Dark_Apostrophe: the file must have a maximum resolution no larger than your player's screen size, and the Mpegplayer Plugin is a viewer, you "launch" the file just as if you were using Windows.
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23:23:38darkredflameThat what i'm pretty much saying Soap
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23:23:56darkredflameMake a video ratio of the video and use the viewer
23:24:34bobrulescan I simply rename a .jpg to .bmp?
23:24:56PaulJam_bobrules: no
23:25:00stripwaxbobrules - did you ever try doing that in Windows?
23:25:00darkredflameBobrules - No, you need to convert
23:25:23darkredflameBob - I have a program for you, hold on
23:26:00bobrulesthank you
23:26:05darkredflameThat is a picture converter especially made for rockbox players
23:26:07bobrulescan anyone explain this line
23:26:09bobrulesThe pictures can be stored in the same directory (.) as the track or in the parent directory
23:26:17stripwaxbobrules - the *bottom* of the wiki page that linuxstb pointed you to tells you exactly what to do
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23:26:47linuxstbbobrules: Which part of that sentence don't you understand?
23:26:49Dark_ApostropheSoap_: ?
23:26:52stripwaxbobrules - that line means "put it in the same directory as your music"
23:26:52bobrulescan I put a cover.bmp in the album folder
23:27:08bobrulesmy music is organized into artist->album->song
23:27:12stripwaxbobrules - if it isn't clear, you could always try it, and find out what happens.
23:27:24Soap_sorry Dark_Apostrophe, I tab completed you instead of darkredflame
23:27:33bobrulesI got it
23:27:37stripwaxdoes nvm mean thanks
23:27:38Ranbeehi, i installed rockbox about one year ago. is there a cui bootloader i can install for it with my 5g? i just have rockbox and the apple firmware.
23:27:45Dark_ApostropheSoap_: Ah, no probs. :)
23:27:49bobrulesthank you
23:28:26stripwaxRanbee - rockbox doesn't have a gui bootloader, sorry. I believe ipodlinux have a gui bootloader but we won't support that here
23:28:29bobrulesanything but ipod is racist to ipod?
23:28:42Soap_Ranbee: check out RBUtilQT, and you need to reinstall the bootloader.
23:28:48scorche|wbobrules: that is offtopic
23:29:01RanbeeOK, thanks for the help :)
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23:32:51nanokbobrules: please understand this is a developer channel, the big guys use it to actually discuss about coding for rockbox, and make it better. we (mortals such as me and you) try to keep our voices as low as possible, to keep the signal/noice ratio as high as possible for them
23:34:02scorche|wwe dont mind giving out support at all as long as the people asking for support are willing to listen to us, read and follow our guidelines, and read the documentation we have written for them
23:34:10bobruleshow often should I update my rockbox?
23:34:17scorche|ws often as you want
23:35:17bobrulessome themes require custom build, so I can't use it with current build eh
23:35:28stripwaxthere are plenty of themes that work with current build
23:35:43bobrulesbut themes with album art
23:36:27stripwaxbobrules - some of the themes might work unmodified on the current build, otherwise you can make your own
23:36:44stripwaxwhat device do you have?
23:36:52bobrulessansa e250
23:38:42stripwaxare the e200 themes on the same as for the 250? I don't know sanse devices
23:38:59stripwaxif so, e.g. KratoSky2 would probably work
23:39:03nanokstripwax: e200 means all e2x0, so yes
23:40:03bobrulesit says custom build though
23:40:15bobrulesI'm trying EasyBlue
23:41:26stripwaxbobrules - album art was only recently (a few weeks) added to the custom builds, so any build older than that has not been updated recently. if it works you can tell people that it works, sound good?
23:41:32nanokbobrules: album art has recently been included in mainstream. some porting work is needed for most themes to work with it though, you might even help with that, i understand it is not that hard. but you _must_ read the manual(s) and do a bit of playing for yourself first, and read the guidelines
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23:45:49bobruleslet me see if album art works
23:46:12darkredflameThat didnt work
23:46:51bobrulesdamn I forgot to rename the bmp
23:46:55bobrulesnow i have to re connect
23:47:04darkredflameSame here bo
23:47:37bobrulesmake sure you resize it to 110*100
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23:48:07darkredflameI resize my to 150x150 always
23:48:31bobruleswhat theme are you trying?
23:49:09bobrulesit requires custom build
23:49:26darkredflameI know
23:49:33darkredflameI have my own build
23:49:43nanokbobrules: darkredflame
23:49:59nanokplease read it..
23:50:06bobrulesmy bad
23:50:53bobrulesI confirm that Easy blue shows album art using regular current build
23:51:35darkredflameThe themes that have album art are supposed to show you it bob
23:51:50bobrulesI thought it was impossible
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23:52:47darkredflameHow would it be impossible?
23:52:56darkredflameIf the theme supports album art
23:53:02darkredflameAnd have a holder for the image
23:53:11darkredflameIt should show up automatically
23:53:24stripwaxdarkredflame - because as discussed moments ago, not all themes work with the regular daily build
23:53:48darkredflameOh, thought he said custom build
23:53:54darkredflameMy eyes are getting worse
23:54:15bobrulesdo you think resizing matters?
23:54:45stripwaxdarkredflame - primarily this irc channel should always be about the regular build
23:54:55scorche|wbobrules: well, rockbox doesnt support bmp resizing, so if you want a certain size, you will have to resize it beforehand
23:55:58darkredflameBob - When resizing just make sure the image is fixed
23:56:12darkredflameThat the only big thing that matters with resizing
23:56:33darkredflameFixed ratio
23:56:41darkredflameExample: 150x150
23:56:56darkredflameYou dont want the orginial image to be 600x600
23:57:03darkredflameAnd you resize it to 200x250
23:57:19darkredflameThe image will not be a fixed ratio anymore
23:57:25bobrulesI'm resizing it to 110*100
23:57:31stripwaxwhy 110x100?
23:57:32bobrulesthe theme tells me to do that
23:57:49darkredflameWhat theme?
23:58:13stripwaxit says 110x110 not 110x100
23:58:44bobrulesmy eys are going bad

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