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00:00:46 | bobrules | so basically I preserve aspect ratio |
00:00:57 | darkredflame | Yeah |
00:01:24 | darkredflame | I'm thinking of making a theme for rockbox but i would do horrible when it comes to coding it |
00:02:35 | nanok | bobrules: darkredflame would you please consider moving this to #rockbox-community |
00:03:10 | darkredflame | Might as well. |
00:03:15 | darkredflame | See you guys later |
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00:13:51 | bobrules | why are there no ops in here? |
00:14:38 | scorche|w | to conform to freenode's policy |
00:14:49 | scorche|w | with services, people can simply op up when needed |
00:15:32 | nanok | scorche|w: rarely, hopefully. but sometimes it comes so close... |
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00:26:51 | turbotorben | hi |
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00:30:20 | turbotorben | i'm trying to install rockbox on my nano 1st gen on osx. i've applyed the partition table, erased the drive using fat32 and unmounted it in diskutility. but neither automatic nor manual installation works. in manual i can copy over the rockbox firmware and fonts, but the ipotdispatcher denys its job: [ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting. |
00:31:05 | turbotorben | i got the same error when i first tried it with the automatic install |
00:31:46 | turbotorben | can any1 help me here? |
00:32:23 | nanok | turbotorben: probably, but have some patience ;) |
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00:33:25 | linuxstb | turbotorben: Sounds like you deleted the Apple firmware from the firmware partition. Try restoring with itunes, and then try the conversion again. |
00:33:38 | turbotorben | alright, i'll try some elevator music for that task |
00:34:22 | turbotorben | linuxstb: i just restored it before i went on with the installation |
00:34:43 | turbotorben | ah... |
00:35:57 | nanok | turbotorben: the rb doesn't replace the ipod original firmware, it just coexists with it, as "dual boot", if i am not mistaking |
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00:52:22 | harry_ | Could any one tell me how the .t files work in the rockbox site? To me they look like a mix between C and HTML |
00:54:07 | Bagder | they're simply preprocessed html files |
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01:15:05 | Phalangees | Hello everyone. Where would I look if I wanted to change button functions in a menu? |
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01:17:41 | PaulJam_ | Phalangees: you'd have to change the sourcecode and compile your own build. see here for further info: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
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01:18:35 | Phalangees | PaulJam_: I meant what file. :p |
01:19:51 | PaulJam_ | maybe somthing in apps/menus/ or apps/keymaps/ |
01:19:52 | Soap_ | look in the SVN history at Llorean's last commits, they were keymap changes and will point you in the right direction on all fronts. |
01:20:16 | Phalangees | Ok. Thanks for the help. |
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01:23:34 | harry_ | Phalangees: There are different files for different menus |
01:24:13 | NHeal | kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
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01:24:19 | harry_ | also, a transition is under way for menus to go to apps/menus |
01:24:47 | harry_ | but the main menu is called root_menu.c in apps/ I think |
01:25:17 | turbotorben | phew, now it works |
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01:26:11 | harry_ | What works? |
01:26:53 | turbotorben | rockbox on my nano |
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01:28:32 | harry_ | Do you have to get the patch for the nano? |
01:29:11 | harry_ | I did for my iPod video. |
01:30:40 | webguest40 | patch 7704 needs resync |
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01:33:17 | harry_ | Can a readme be put into rockbox.zip for the iPod video saying to get the patch? |
01:33:33 | harry_ | or maybe ssstick the patch in there |
01:33:44 | harry_ | *stick |
01:33:46 | webguest40 | patch 7704 is out of sync. |
01:34:17 | harry_ | Can you please explain? |
01:34:32 | harry_ | because it works fine on my ipod video |
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01:35:29 | PaulJam_ | harry_: what patch are you talking about? |
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01:36:12 | harry_ | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/win32/ipodpatcher.exe |
01:36:55 | harry_ | You have to read all the way through the manual carefully to find out that you are meant to install it |
01:36:59 | PaulJam_ | isn't this progam mentioned in the installation instructions in the manual? |
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01:37:19 | linuxstb | You don't have to use ipodpatcher - rbutil will do the same thing. |
01:38:24 | harry_ | People have trouble installing rockbox on their iPod videos. |
01:39:45 | harry_ | The people I'm referring to are not the most brilliant computer users |
01:40:01 | harry_ | But I think that rockbox should be easy for everyone to install |
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01:43:17 | PaulJam_ | harry_: do you really think the installation would become easyer for them if the ipodpatcher executable would be in the rockbox.zip? i think especially people who arn't good at computer stff should read the installation instructions carefully |
01:43:35 | harry_ | True |
01:43:47 | harry_ | But if there was a readme there aswell |
01:43:52 | HarryTu | but its one less file to download |
01:44:13 | HarryTu | And somebody please sync 7704 |
01:45:04 | PaulJam_ | HarryTu: maybe add a comment to the task. |
01:46:21 | HarryTu | I already did; I am bookshare; I wanted to give you all a heads up |
01:46:36 | jhMikeS | amiconn: looking in the logs I see you pinged me a couple times? thanksgiving holiday had me preoccupied. |
01:49:51 | harry_ | What's patch 7704 for? |
01:51:08 | harry_ | never mind I found it |
01:53:36 | harry_ | Sorry, I'm new to this stuff, what do you mean by resync? |
01:53:52 | harry_ | Do you mean that it needs to be rewritten for new players? |
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01:59:22 | scorche | hrm...i wonder if it would be worth it to try to get these guys to release a non ttf font for our vision impaired users: http://www.tiresias.org/fonts/pcfont/about_pc.htm |
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02:05:49 | roxfan[zzz] | scorche: i beleive you can use rasterized bitmaps freely |
02:05:55 | roxfan[zzz] | http://developer.popcap.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2875.html |
02:10:36 | scorche | roxfan[zzz]: it says on the page that they are under the GPL...the issue is that they are ttf fonts |
02:13:31 | advcomp2019 | who want to see the insides have the e200v2s.. someone has opened one |
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02:20:33 | Guerin | Llorean: hey, the old x5l batteries get 29:57:00 on battery_bench with the current rockbox.org build |
02:21:10 | Guerin | which is tolerably close to the advertised 35 hours, given that I bought the thing in 2004 and it's been sitting idle since early 2006. |
02:22:41 | harry_ | Who wants to buy me an iPod touch so I can test rockbox on it? ;) |
02:23:00 | scorche | huh?...rockbox doesnt work ont he touch |
02:23:34 | harry_ | I didn't think so... I just want an iPod touch |
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02:25:44 | harry_ | Is there a reason for having a tiny font as the default? |
02:26:01 | DraX | Guerin: yeah the long battery life is quite nice |
02:26:11 | DraX | Guerin: especially considering how much better rockbox is to the default firmware |
02:27:15 | roxfan[zzz] | have anyone tried dumping rio karma flash rom? |
02:27:56 | Guerin | DraX: the first rockbox build I tried has terribly battery life |
02:28:10 | Guerin | like ... 1-4 hours or so |
02:28:12 | Guerin | on the same unit]\ |
02:28:18 | DraX | eww |
02:28:40 | Guerin | man, I can't type today |
02:28:42 | scorche | and how long does the battery last on the OF on that device? |
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02:29:26 | Guerin | scorche: no reliable benchmark, and I've only just resurrected it. But it did get around 30h when I last used it with the OF in early 2006 |
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02:29:56 | Guerin | li-ion batteries degrade with time, espectially when left at dead empty for a year or two |
02:30:00 | harry_ | :/ my ipod is dead |
02:30:05 | Guerin | so I'm quite pleased with 30h nowadays |
02:30:07 | harry_ | it just died... |
02:30:32 | scorche | harry_: define dead |
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02:30:56 | * | akuma how often does the current build get updated |
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02:31:11 | scorche | typically around 5-7 times a day |
02:31:17 | scorche | it varies |
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02:31:38 | akuma | ah k... |
02:32:14 | Guerin | oh, that frequently |
02:32:40 | scorche | you can see yourself by looking at the build page |
02:32:41 | akuma | where can i see the changes that have been made? |
02:32:46 | scorche | the commit log |
02:33:01 | Guerin | i gotta say |
02:33:11 | Guerin | rockbox is one of the bestest free software projects ever |
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02:33:20 | bobrules | hey guys |
02:33:36 | bobrules | is there a smaller unifont? |
02:33:42 | bobrules | the unifont is too big for my theme |
02:33:50 | scorche | so choose a different font |
02:34:02 | bobrules | then it won't show chinese |
02:34:17 | harry_ | Oh good, my iPod came back from the dead. |
02:34:17 | scorche | there are multiple fonts that support unicode |
02:34:59 | harry_ | Why does it take so long to start ipod firmware after using rockbox? |
02:35:24 | scorche | that is how long it takes to start up the OF...rockbox doesnt change that at all |
02:35:44 | harry_ | ok |
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02:35:54 | scorche | what you are likely seeing as a longer time, is you are watching it start up and not simply resume from sleep mode |
02:36:09 | bobrules | anyone know a smaller font that shows unifont? |
02:36:27 | harry_ | No, when I reset my iPod without rockbox, it usually does it pretty quickly |
02:36:34 | harry_ | I'm not completely stupid |
02:36:44 | pixelma | bobrules: there is a page in the wiki that lists fonts that contain unicode characters and which called UnicodeFonts |
02:36:51 | harry_ | I can tell the difference between sleeping and off |
02:37:29 | pixelma | hmm... chinese doesn't seem part of it |
02:40:01 | harry_ | Could I do an svn checkout of trunk? |
02:40:26 | bobrules | only unifont shows chinse |
02:40:36 | bobrules | can I somehow shrink unifont? |
02:42:23 | harry_ | what's the URL of the trunk repository? |
02:42:34 | harry_ | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/ isn't it |
02:43:12 | pixelma | bobrules: there is one more in the tracker http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4878?histring=chinese could be a bit smaller since it is an addition to nimbus-14 but I've never seen it |
02:43:33 | scorche | harry_: no..that is the url for viewvc |
02:44:04 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN |
02:44:15 | harry_ | thanks |
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02:49:43 | HarryTu | Seriously. Can someone help me sync 7704? |
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02:52:18 | harry_ | what does sync mean!? |
02:53:22 | HarryTu | It means to make a patch apply to svn. Usually you sync patches if something in svn has made them incompatible with newer revisions. |
02:54:17 | HarryTu | By the way, Harry, only programmers can sync patches. |
02:54:31 | scorche | not necessarily.. |
02:54:51 | HarryTu | What do you mean? |
02:54:58 | harry_ | k I get it |
02:55:02 | harry_ | *okay |
02:55:18 | scorche | many people sync patches who would really classify as "programmers" |
02:55:41 | HarryTu | That's what I said. |
02:55:50 | harry_ | you mean people who have access to the svn |
02:55:54 | scorche | sorry...i meant "wouldnt" |
02:56:02 | scorche | and no i dont |
02:56:03 | harry_ | not necessarily people who can program |
02:56:09 | harry_ | oh |
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02:58:08 | HarryTu | And no, people that cannot post to svn can sync patches too, but they make new patches. Come to think of it, when it comes to syncing, it makes no difference if you can post to svn or not. |
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03:38:12 | Mouser_X | I know this has been answered before, but I want to be sure that I was paying attention. The "auto-install" method for installing Rockbox on the e200 isn't working, correct? |
03:38:49 | Mouser_X | (THus far, RButil has been stuck at 0% or less, and is taking 99% of the CPU.) |
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04:01:31 | countrymonkey | hello |
04:02:46 | Mouser_X | Howdy. |
04:02:47 | krazykit | Mouser_X, it seems to be hit and miss, really. |
04:03:02 | countrymonkey | Good; I'm connected |
04:03:25 | Mouser_X | krazykit: Ah. I seem to be one of the "miss" then. |
04:03:59 | countrymonkey | Can sombody sync 7704 and 7762? Both patches are out of sync |
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04:29:36 | countrymonkey | How do you sync a patch? |
04:34:41 | krazykit | you apply it, then it tells you which files it failed on |
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04:35:04 | krazykit | oh well |
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05:19:54 | webguest08 | hey\ |
05:20:21 | webguest08 | how long would you say the ipod video 80gig will last beore the hd dies |
05:20:37 | scorche | that depends on many many things |
05:20:52 | webguest08 | oh |
05:21:04 | Guerin | |<−−−−this long−−−−−−->| |
05:21:08 | Guerin | (not to scale) |
05:21:20 | webguest08 | dont they only last an average of one year |
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05:21:39 | Guerin | the thing about music player hard drives is that they're a standard part - the same as you get in some laptops and such |
05:21:41 | scorche | it depends on too many things to tell |
05:21:53 | Guerin | it all comes down to how the player uses them, and how harshly you treat them |
05:22:00 | scorche | Guerin: a bit less standard than those... |
05:22:18 | webguest08 | ok |
05:22:22 | Guerin | scorche: depends on the part, but I realise 1.8s aren't quite the norm in laptops. |
05:22:34 | advcomp2019 | webguest08, i had a hard drive based player that lasted about two year |
05:23:05 | Llorean | My iriver h120, which I've had since about when it came out, still has a well working HD. |
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05:23:26 | Guerin | i've been using the hdd in my iaudio x5L on a daily basis since I bought it in 2004 - both in the player itself and in a 1.8" hdd enclosure |
05:23:28 | Llorean | And it's the same line of HDs as are used in iPods, so it shows if you treat it well, they can last. |
05:23:33 | webguest08 | ive read the pdf but i still dont get it, do you have to have the base wad file to play idoom or will it run with out it? |
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05:25:17 | Soap_ | you need a base wad |
05:25:17 | Mouser_X | You can't play iDoom with Rockbox. |
05:26:10 | webguest08 | ive played it on rockbox before |
05:26:29 | Mouser_X | You might have played Doom, but *not* iDoom. |
05:26:33 | psycho_maniac | you have played DOOM not "I"DOOM |
05:26:35 | Soap_ | Mouser_X is splitting hairs |
05:27:06 | Llorean | Soap_: That being said, he could've honestly been asking about iDoom and not Rockbox's Doom port. |
05:27:27 | Llorean | There are plenty of people who seem to think we are iPodlinux as well |
05:27:29 | Mouser_X | It certainly wouldn't be the first time. |
05:27:58 | Soap_ | yes - I agree 100% with both of you. |
05:28:06 | | Part Llorean |
05:28:32 | Soap_ | But I still feel it is a fault to assume the questioner is mistaken, not simply misspoken. |
05:29:03 | webguest08 | i just installed the rockbox bootloader onto my ippod and installed all the packaged but it isnt loading rockbox in when i reset it it keeps loading the regular ipod stuff in.whats wrong with it? |
05:29:29 | webguest08 | its happened to me many times before |
05:29:38 | Soap_ | unless you have the hold button switched to the on (red) position, it sounds like you /don't/ have the bootloader installed properly. |
05:30:30 | webguest08 | i already know that it runs as a dual boot system but shouldnt the rockbox utility install it for me when i tell it to |
05:31:25 | Soap_ | yes and yes, but the evidence strongly suggests the Rockbox bootloader is not on your iPod. |
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05:35:25 | webguest08 | is there a way to install the bootloader other than on the utility |
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05:36:54 | webguest08 | ? |
05:37:04 | krazykit | ipodpatcher |
05:38:14 | webguest08 | thanks |
05:46:34 | webguest08 | ok i got to rockdoom and was in the game but it frose is that what the wad. file is for? |
05:48:02 | Mouser_X | If it froze, try keeping it warmer? It is winter after all. :P |
05:49:29 | webguest08 | gee thanks for the advice |
05:49:35 | hasmind | haha |
05:49:43 | Mouser_X | Really though, the WAD is the data file from which the game pulls all of the models, pictures, sounds, etc. A bad WAD could cause crashing/freezing, but it shouldn't, as long as you make sure you have a WAD compatible to the version of DOOM you're running (the DOOM wiki page tells you what version to look for, when getting WAD files). |
05:50:06 | hasmind | I recently got freeDoom, and it worked fine |
05:50:21 | webguest08 | freedoom? |
05:50:21 | hasmind | how long did you play before it froze? |
05:50:42 | hasmind | freeDoom is open source doom. It's what rockbox uses |
05:50:49 | webguest08 | k |
05:50:58 | webguest08 | it froze as soon as the game started |
05:51:01 | hasmind | so how long did you play? |
05:51:10 | webguest08 | i didnt get to play |
05:51:24 | webguest08 | basicly the controlls were locked |
05:51:28 | Mouser_X | Sounds like a bad WAD then. Which one were you trying to run? |
05:51:32 | webguest08 | so i couldnt move |
05:51:47 | Mouser_X | You have an iPod, right? |
05:51:48 | webguest08 | the one from this website |
05:52:02 | webguest08 | ya ipod video 80 gig 5.5g |
05:52:37 | Mouser_X | Did you double check the controls in use, to make sure you were using the right ones? I haven't used RockDOOM in months, so I don't remember, but I thought it gave you the option to set your own controls. |
05:52:59 | hasmind | there are two .WADs |
05:53:18 | hasmind | http://download.rockbox.org/useful/rockdoom.zip and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/PluginDoom/rockdoom.wad |
05:53:45 | hasmind | *sigh* rockbox's site is so unorganised |
05:53:55 | Mouser_X | Very true. |
05:54:27 | webguest08 | when i installe drockbox it had both of those wad files in it already |
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05:54:56 | hasmind | what page did you go to? |
05:55:13 | hasmind | RockboxExtras#Doom? or /Main/PluginDoom |
05:55:56 | webguest08 | well i got the rockbox utility and i used it to install the rockdoom game |
05:56:02 | webguest08 | so niether |
05:56:03 | hasmind | oh |
05:57:22 | webguest08 | i downlaoded freedoom to my computer is that the same thing ? do i just erase the doom folder on my ipod and replace it with the free doom one |
05:57:24 | webguest08 | ? |
05:59:31 | Mouser_X | No. |
05:59:53 | webguest08 | oh then how would you do it? |
05:59:56 | Mouser_X | RockDOOM has been programed to work on the iPod. FreeDOOM has been programmed ot work on the PC. |
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06:00:41 | Mouser_X | If you attempted to put FreeDOOM on your iPod, it would only waste space. It's completely useless, when put on an OS that it was *never* meant to run on. |
06:01:00 | Mouser_X | (Unless there's emulation involved, but that's not relevent here). |
06:01:10 | webguest08 | ok |
06:01:37 | hasmind | there is freeDoom for ipods though |
06:01:39 | hasmind | I had it |
06:01:57 | hasmind | when you start the game it had a freeDoom splash |
06:02:06 | webguest08 | can anyone help me to put rockdoom on my ipod ? |
06:02:19 | hasmind | yes |
06:02:28 | Mouser_X | I don't play DOOM, in Rockbox, on the PC, free, or otherwise. However, my guess is that you'd take the WAD files (the format is the same) from the PC version, and put them on your iPod, where they're supposed to go for RockDOOM. |
06:02:40 | hasmind | http://download.rockbox.org/useful/rockdoom.zip |
06:02:53 | hasmind | that worked for me I think |
06:04:41 | hasmind | does shutdown() imediately shutdown rockbox? |
06:04:51 | Mouser_X | The game i'd like to see in Rockbox, that's based on the DOOM engine, is Sonic Robo Blast 2. However, it's not open source, so I doubt that's going to happen... |
06:05:24 | Mouser_X | (But, considering that DOOM runs, I would suspect that SRB2 could run as well.) |
06:06:39 | webguest08 | k i replaced the two wad files with the ones suggested to me and it still freezes |
06:07:07 | webguest08 | are there any other games for the ipod that are in the same leage as doom |
06:07:23 | Mouser_X | Rockboy? The Gameboy emulator? |
06:07:45 | Mouser_X | (I consider it much more useful than DOOM, personally.) |
06:08:34 | webguest08 | but what games can u play with rockboy. like how do you get them? |
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06:08:50 | safetydan | join #rockbox-community |
06:08:53 | safetydan | bah |
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06:09:53 | Mouser_X | webguest08: See the Wiki on Rockboy. As for how to get the games, I can't tell you. |
06:10:03 | Mouser_X | (Copyright reasons) |
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06:13:31 | hasmind | easiest way to play gameboy games |
06:13:41 | hasmind | is to buy a gameboy from ebay for $5 |
06:14:05 | hasmind | and doom on an ipod really isn't great in my oppinion |
06:14:07 | Mouser_X | Heh. I'd have to disagree though. |
06:14:12 | hasmind | not worth the space it takes |
06:14:35 | hasmind | It's amazingly done, whoever got it to work |
06:14:36 | Mouser_X | The easiest way to play Gameboy games, is to use the Gameboy (or GBA SP) that I already have. |
06:15:08 | hasmind | yeah... that too. |
06:15:21 | hasmind | ...you still have a gameboy? :/ |
06:15:27 | Mouser_X | Indeed. |
06:15:30 | hasmind | retro |
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06:18:50 | hasmind | does shutdown() imediately shutdown rockbox? |
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06:59:03 | safetydan | If someone with an iPod Video could try and see if FS #7440 is now working correctly that would be awesome. |
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07:00:37 | psycho_maniac | how long you gonna be around? |
07:02:10 | psycho_maniac | WOAH! what the heck. my computer just said it found "rockbox media player" |
07:02:35 | Soap | see the commit message |
07:02:49 | Soap | last commit |
07:02:53 | Soap | on the front page still |
07:02:57 | Mouser_X | psycho_maniac: Is that from your Sansa? Or your iPod? |
07:03:13 | Soap | oops, not the commit message - the "Project news" on front page |
07:03:24 | safetydan | psycho_maniac, I'll read the logs |
07:03:44 | psycho_maniac | ipod |
07:04:18 | psycho_maniac | i can test that patch for you but it takes me awhile to compile |
07:04:41 | Mouser_X | psycho_maniac: How long? It takes me more than 1.5 hours on my laptop. |
07:04:46 | psycho_maniac | i wasnt saying it was a problem. it just seemed cool. |
07:04:59 | psycho_maniac | wow it takes me like maybe 30 mins im not sure. ill keep track this time. |
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07:05:53 | Llorean | Mouser_X: It takes you an hour and a half to build a Rockbox build? |
07:07:09 | psycho_maniac | now |
07:07:27 | Mouser_X | Llorean: At least. It's a 333 or so CPU. |
07:07:35 | Mouser_X | Using cygwin. |
07:08:18 | psycho_maniac | sometimes mine takes a lot longer because my computer for no reason is useing a lot of cpu |
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07:16:56 | psycho_maniac | done |
07:17:09 | psycho_maniac | wow that was fast 10 mins |
07:17:54 | psycho_maniac | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH i did make && make clean again :( |
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07:23:12 | ED_209 | Hi |
07:23:32 | ED_209 | do any of you guys have an iriver h300? |
07:23:42 | Mouser_X | Some. |
07:25:07 | ED_209 | I'm wondering if there is a plugin that exists which can pitch shift the microphone |
07:25:16 | ED_209 | and then output it to the line out |
07:26:47 | ED_209 | as in, realtime pitch shifting, or some kind of voice modulator.. using the mic |
07:27:37 | ED_209 | do you know of anything which could do that? |
07:27:52 | Mouser_X | Nothing I can think of. |
07:28:03 | ED_209 | what kind of time are people usually here? |
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07:28:22 | Mouser_X | European? |
07:28:31 | ED_209 | I'm in new zealand |
07:28:32 | * | Mouser_X is in the US, but is about to go to bed. |
07:28:37 | ED_209 | like.. 4 hours before now? |
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07:28:45 | psycho_maniac | Mouser_X: it takes me about 10 mins to compile |
07:28:45 | Llorean | ED_209: Any such plugin would either be included, or you'd need to search the patch tracker. Since it's not in the manual, then searching is what you need |
07:28:45 | ED_209 | earlier than now? later? |
07:29:05 | ED_209 | what's the patch tracker Llorean ? |
07:29:24 | Llorean | ED_209: The "patches" link on the main site |
07:31:04 | ED_209 | I'll try |
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07:35:21 | psycho_maniac | safetydan: what do you want me to test like what settings should i try and what would i expect to happen? |
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07:46:37 | psycho_maniac | safetydan: seems to be working for me |
07:52:56 | amiconn | jhMikeS: around now? |
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08:08:40 | safetydan | psycho_maniac, you should check that the bass and treble settings actually do something. And that the cutoff settings also do something. Also make sure the settings persist between reboots and going in and out of the menus. |
08:09:34 | safetydan | but the fact that it compiles and doesn't break anything is a start :) |
08:09:59 | amiconn | safetydan: Ah, did you update your patch? |
08:10:04 | * | amiconn could test too |
08:11:01 | safetydan | amiconn, yup, if you could test that would be excellent |
08:11:16 | amiconn | Could you remind me of the fs#? |
08:11:57 | amiconn | Nm, found it |
08:13:43 | amiconn | building... |
08:14:41 | psycho_maniac | i take it that in the cutoff menu 1 means more and 4 means less? |
08:15:40 | Llorean | safetydan: If it's four options, "Lowest, Low, Medium, High" might be better? |
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08:16:46 | safetydan | Llorean, not quite sure how to do that in the sound settings framework, but yes that would make more sense |
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08:18:06 | safetydan | hrm, do we really need to go to low latency mode when setting hardware bass and treble? |
08:18:10 | psycho_maniac | safetydan: seems to be working correctly. i change settings and cancle and they go back to the saved set settings. settings save when i reboot also. |
08:18:30 | safetydan | psycho_maniac, sounds good. thanks for the test |
08:18:45 | Llorean | safetydan: I can't imagine that we would need to. |
08:19:17 | psycho_maniac | been using my gigabeat all day and it and it actually sounds good on the ipod now |
08:21:06 | ED_209 | do any of you guys have an iriver h340? |
08:23:46 | ED_209 | or h3XX |
08:24:15 | ED_209 | how do you choose which recent build is best? |
08:24:31 | ED_209 | I don't know what those scores on the side mean |
08:26:35 | safetydan | ED_209, always choose the most recent. The scores are more a bit of fun for the developers. |
08:26:51 | ED_209 | sweet |
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08:47:41 | amiconn | safetydan: Looks like its working properly here as well. I'd say it's ready for commit... |
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08:49:25 | safetydan | amiconn, excellent. Thanks for the test. |
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09:01:10 | * | amiconn wonders about the delta... |
09:01:18 | safetydan | darn it, the build servers look broken |
09:01:33 | safetydan | amiconn, there's probably a few more bytes to squeeze out as I forgot to deprecate the old lang strings |
09:02:06 | amiconn | Eh? What does look broken about them? |
09:02:27 | amiconn | And I mean the red delta for nearly all other targets |
09:02:46 | amiconn | Ah, I know |
09:02:49 | safetydan | amiconn, oh, the build looked stuck here. Had to close and reopen the build page |
09:03:23 | amiconn | You added the language string for all targets instead of just those which have adjustable cutoffs... |
09:03:49 | safetydan | bah, you're right |
09:04:02 | amiconn | We need a new feature in features.txt, and make those 2 strings depend on that |
09:04:44 | amiconn | Or make the strings depend on ipod video for now |
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09:04:52 | amiconn | (that'd be the quick solution) |
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09:05:11 | hamdiya | hello |
09:05:16 | hamdiya | linuxstb here? |
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09:13:26 | hamdiya | i have a question regarding boot loaders |
09:13:33 | hamdiya | how can i get access to the ROM in my mp3 player |
09:13:37 | hamdiya | its an aldipod |
09:13:47 | hamdiya | i want to edit the boot loader |
09:15:18 | markun | hamdiya: what do you want to change? |
09:15:53 | markun | and are you planning to port rockbox to it? |
09:18:45 | socksoff | i have a question concerning the tv option for ipod video. does anyone know how to tag files which aren't purchased thru iTunes to appear under the tv category in the ipod video? |
09:19:02 | Llorean | socksoff: This is #rockbox, it's for things related to Rockbox |
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09:19:41 | safetydan | cor, texlive install is huge... not sure i have the space to install it and test my manual changes |
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09:21:19 | hamdiya | back |
09:21:29 | socksoff | Llorean: I'm sorry for asking a question that does not relate to this channel or the dialogue accepted here. |
09:21:33 | hamdiya | i wold really like to port rockbox to it, but im not a C programmer |
09:21:56 | hamdiya | im slowly learning about the process |
09:22:12 | hamdiya | i figured i need to edit the bootloader so i can play with the firmware |
09:22:32 | hamdiya | how can i get hold of the BL? |
09:24:27 | Llorean | hamdiya: It really depends a lot on how the player was designed. Figuring out how to replace the BL (or even if you need to) is a step that you have to perform |
09:24:49 | markun | afaik the aldipods are portalplayer based |
09:25:12 | Llorean | markun: And we've seen portalplayers where we do and don't need to replace the bootloader. |
09:26:08 | markun | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
09:26:12 | hamdiya | yes they are portal based |
09:26:16 | hamdiya | uses the PP5020 chip |
09:27:13 | hamdiya | when i tried to edit the firmware using a hex editor (just trying to change some strings), the player gave a 'bad image' error |
09:27:17 | hamdiya | i thought maybe the BL has something to do with that |
09:30:55 | markun | hamdiya: Did you use any of these tools? http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4code.html |
09:31:33 | hamdiya | i used mi4code to decrypt the firmware |
09:31:43 | hamdiya | other than that no |
09:33:24 | markun | don't you need to encrypt it again after editing? (not sure if you do) |
09:34:53 | hamdiya | on my first attempts for test purposes, i edited the encrypted fw (using a hex editor) by replacing just 1 character and when i loaded it back to the player, it gave the bad image error |
09:36:00 | hamdiya | but how do peopel usually get hold of the BL file? |
09:38:28 | markun | I think the bl file is only needed to extract the decryption key, but we have that already for the aldipod |
09:39:02 | markun | not sure where they get the bl files. Maybe it's on the player or included with the firmware sometimes. |
09:39:52 | Llorean | I think most of them were found included with firmware updates |
09:40:11 | markun | but I'll shut up now and wait for someone who know something about mi4 firmwares to talk to you. |
09:40:20 | hamdiya | in the mi4 file itself? |
09:40:20 | Llorean | In the case of the Sansa e200R we had to modify the bootloader, but on the H10 and normal e200 we did not, afaik. |
09:40:30 | Llorean | No, it's a separate file from the MI4, usually |
09:41:32 | hamdiya | when i downloaded the update for my aldipod |
09:41:45 | hamdiya | there was only the .exe updater and the fw file itself |
09:42:02 | hamdiya | does that signify that i dont need to change the BL? |
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09:45:07 | markun | hamdiya: afaik we've never changed a BL file, so I assume you don't need to either. |
09:45:19 | * | markun goes back to shutting up :) |
09:45:32 | hamdiya | excellent |
09:45:53 | ED_209 | hey is there still an h300 optimised build? |
09:45:58 | hamdiya | out of curiosity, is it POSSIBLE that i can find a current build that will work on my player? |
09:47:08 | ED_209 | I dunno if this is a rockbox question but how do I clear the "recycler" directory on my iriver |
09:47:17 | ED_209 | I deleted a bunch of stuff and it went into the recycler |
09:47:31 | ED_209 | but I can't un-hide that directory |
09:47:51 | Llorean | markun: As I said, we had to modify the bl for the e200R |
09:48:04 | hamdiya | ED_209, i think if you empty the recycle bin it will erase the contents of the recycler directory |
09:48:34 | Llorean | hamdiya: For a build to work on the players, all the hardware needs to be the exact hardware the build is expecting. So, not really |
09:48:55 | Llorean | ED_209: Rockbox shows hidden files if file view is set to "All" |
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09:49:08 | AK | howdy |
09:49:56 | AK | Howdy owdy odie oh! |
09:49:57 | amiconn | ED_209: You can also use the disktidy plugin to remove the recycler dir, plus "System volume information" and some other garbage |
09:50:06 | hamdiya | are the drivers of the player located in the fw file itself? |
09:50:08 | hamdiya | or on the BL? |
09:50:28 | hamdiya | i ask cause the LCD driver should be ont he BL right? |
09:50:48 | AK | what about the header file? |
09:52:20 | AK | I'd like to help. |
09:52:45 | Llorean | hamdiya: Why does it matter? |
09:53:59 | hamdiya | if the drivers are on the fw, perhaps i can just copy them to anohter rockbox build that is similar (provided i find one) |
09:54:15 | Llorean | It doesn't really work that way. |
09:54:15 | amiconn | You cannot "just copy" drivers |
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09:54:40 | hamdiya | crap |
09:54:47 | amiconn | You need to find out how the hardware is controlled, then write a rockbox driver for it |
09:54:57 | Llorean | hamdiya: Porting Rockbox to a player is a lot of work. You're pretty much just going to have to accept that. |
09:55:10 | amiconn | Since we already support several PP targets, you often don't need to write drivers from scratch |
09:55:39 | hamdiya | im begining to relise that |
09:55:51 | hamdiya | guess ill just w8 for someone to port it |
09:55:59 | AK | Missoula, MT |
09:57:44 | amiconn | hamdiya: It won't magically happen. It requires someone who has the actual device, is willing to do the port, and does have enough knowledge to do it. |
09:57:50 | amiconn | Without that, it will never happen |
09:58:25 | hamdiya | i got the first 2 but not the last |
09:58:34 | hamdiya | was really hoping to get it |
09:58:46 | hamdiya | the fw on the aldipod can use alot of imporvments |
09:59:18 | AK | if you want, I can host a voice server for you..... |
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10:00:21 | hamdiya | what's a voice server? |
10:00:28 | hamdiya | to talk with other people? |
10:00:34 | AK | yea |
10:00:39 | AK | Just wanna help |
10:00:55 | AK | I use rockbox, and it's great. |
10:01:24 | hamdiya | really appreciate any help |
10:01:45 | hamdiya | but i think it'll be too difficult |
10:02:10 | AK | No, just get the client and enter the IP and thats it |
10:02:50 | hamdiya | not the connection |
10:03:06 | AK | ok |
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10:03:31 | hamdiya | the actuall process |
10:04:06 | hamdiya | amiconn, you said there are already PP targets supported |
10:04:53 | hamdiya | will i find them in the rockbox port |
10:04:54 | hamdiya | ? |
10:05:00 | hamdiya | builds* |
10:05:32 | safetydan | hamdiya, you might want to do some more reading. Start here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
10:07:28 | hamdiya | seen that page |
10:07:35 | hamdiya | saw there is alot of work involved that i cannot do |
10:07:41 | pixelma | safetydan: LANG_EQUALIZER_HARDWARE_ENABLED really isn't needed anymore, right? I'm asking because you only emptied the strings but didn't mark it as deprecated - changed that already here öocally (in english.lang and deutsch.lang) - about to commit.... |
10:07:47 | hamdiya | i thoguth perhaps i can just modify an existing build |
10:08:48 | scorche | if it was that easy, dont you think we would have a ton of other devices supported? ;) |
10:09:23 | hamdiya | good point :) |
10:09:39 | safetydan | pixelma, not needed, commit away |
10:10:12 | * | pixelma hits 'enter' |
10:10:31 | safetydan | hrm, seems I missed some other bits and pieces too |
10:11:34 | pixelma | complete strings then? |
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10:13:15 | safetydan | pixelma, no, just missed the Bandwidth voice string. Fixed now. |
10:13:44 | ED_209 | does anyone know if those 60gb widescreen things will be rockbox compatible? |
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10:15:23 | Llorean | ED_209: i don't even understand your question. Rockbox runs on only the players listed. |
10:15:49 | ED_209 | are there any plans to do a rockbox port for those widescreen media players |
10:16:00 | ED_209 | like the creative ones |
10:16:29 | Llorean | Ports aren't planned |
10:16:34 | Llorean | People who own the players work on them |
10:17:13 | ED_209 | at random, by themselves? |
10:17:38 | Llorean | Well, they generally try to find other like-minded people with the hardware |
10:18:22 | ED_209 | sigh |
10:19:13 | Llorean | All Rockbox ports were pretty much made by people who wanted their players to do more than they could before. |
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10:19:29 | ED_209 | right so there is some kind of collaborative effort |
10:20:08 | ED_209 | have you heard any kind of plans that people might have for porting rockbox to one of those newer widescreen media players |
10:20:30 | Llorean | You haven't even named a specific player yet, and I certainly can't read yoru mind. |
10:20:43 | Llorean | But Rockbox is in general targeted at audio players, not general media players. |
10:20:45 | ED_209 | or do I have to quote specific models and reword the whole question so it's pedant-friendly |
10:20:56 | Llorean | As for new ports, most collaboration is visible in the forums in the New Ports forum |
10:21:03 | Llorean | ED_209: I'm not being pedantic. |
10:21:17 | scorche | ED_209: of course you ahve to name specific models....it isnt liek they are all similar |
10:21:19 | Llorean | I'm absolutely serious: They aren't planned. People look for other people, and sometimes don't even come here until they've already got code running on the player. |
10:21:20 | amiconn | hamdiya: Lots. All supported iPods, the iriver H10 models and the Sansa e200 and c200 series are all PP targets. |
10:21:37 | amiconn | Plus the unfinished tatung elio |
10:21:54 | ddalton | does anyone know how to tell when a .talk clip is finished playing? |
10:22:21 | ED_209 | when it stops saying things? |
10:22:23 | Llorean | ED_209: So I can't just say "Yes, there's a road map", because there really isn't one. 95% of people "working" on new ports don't ever even get past the big hurdle of getting their own code launching on the player, so I can't exactly say who's *really* working on anything, and who's just enthusiastic but unlikely to ever get anywhere either. |
10:22:39 | ddalton | ED_209: in the code... |
10:22:46 | Llorean | ED_209: Being a development channel too, maybe you should assume he's not clueless and asking how one might detect that from the code side. |
10:23:08 | ED_209 | sorry I forgot that irc is serious business |
10:23:22 | amiconn | ddalton: You can't, as voice is asynchronous by design. But iirc that question was already answered several times.... |
10:24:08 | ddalton | amiconn: so we can't just return something from talk_file once the elapsed time of the clip = the duration? |
10:25:32 | Llorean | ED_209: The assumption that IRC is simply one homogeneous thing is very flawed. This is a logged, on-topic channel, so it's very much appreciated if you keep things serious and on-topic. |
10:25:33 | amiconn | (1) We don't know the duration of the clip. (2) talk_flie() returns immediately after scheduling the clip. It's _asnchronous_ |
10:26:11 | ddalton | amiconn: so I would need to modify talk_file? |
10:26:22 | amiconn | Nope |
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10:26:48 | amiconn | If you'd do that, the UI would block while the clip is playing. That would be not acceptable |
10:27:10 | ddalton | amiconn, why couldn't I some how get the duration and then stop it from returning unless one. a buton was pressed. or 2. the elapsed time == the duration |
10:27:26 | ddalton | amiconn, what? |
10:27:31 | ddalton | see my last message? |
10:27:56 | amiconn | Please read all parts of the answers. YOu *can not* know how long the clip is, until it actually ended |
10:28:08 | amiconn | And I really don't know why you'd need that... |
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10:29:05 | ddalton | amiconn, Well when in the file browser I want to play a clip from the voice file after the .talk clip plays. Then you said we can't get the duration of the .talk clip. How come we can get the duration of lets say an mp3 or ogg file? |
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10:31:04 | amiconn | Audio files are quite different beasts than the raw clips |
10:31:48 | amiconn | And you don't need the length of the clip in order to schedule clips. SVn does already do that. Just enable .talk clips and file type announcement, and you'll hear that it works |
10:37:14 | ED_209 | can you idle in here? or should I close the client |
10:38:28 | ddalton | amiconn: so If I have a dir called music with a .talk clip it says folder music or music folder? |
10:38:40 | ddalton | sorry I don't have access to my mp3 atm |
10:38:44 | amiconn | music folder |
10:39:34 | ddalton | amiconn: thats what I want. What do I do to make it do that? So for example play the clip like stephane's patch does and then say a clip from the voice file? |
10:39:46 | ED_209 | does anyone know of a c64 emulator? |
10:40:01 | ED_209 | for the iriver h300 |
10:40:08 | amiconn | Just install an SVN build, add a current voice file and .talk clips, and set the options |
10:40:34 | amiconn | In fact I find that somewhat annoying. I'd like file types to be announced only when no .talk clip is present |
10:40:35 | ddalton | no I am adding another feature that will work like his but needs to speak something different |
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10:40:51 | amiconn | Just schedule the clips.... |
10:41:02 | ddalton | amiconn: how |
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10:41:38 | amiconn | Like you always would... |
10:42:15 | ddalton | how? |
10:42:17 | ddalton | talk_file |
10:42:19 | ddalton | with |
10:42:21 | ddalton | talk_file |
10:42:25 | amiconn | eh? |
10:42:34 | ddalton | amiconn? |
10:43:05 | ddalton | how do you schedule the clips in the code? |
10:43:14 | ddalton | what functions do you use just talk_file? |
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10:45:11 | amiconn | talk_file is for .talk clips only |
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10:47:08 | amiconn | safetydan: The voicing of the cutoffs is wrong |
10:47:32 | amiconn | Wrong unit, and forced sign announcement. It says "+1 decibel" etc |
10:48:54 | * | amiconn has a look |
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10:57:49 | ddalton | amiconn: how do you do that then? |
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11:00:27 | safetydan | amiconn, that's odd. I didn't explicitly do anything for voicing the cutoff units. I just assumed the sound settings did the right thing with unitless values |
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11:06:38 | * | amiconn summons JdGordon |
11:07:09 | safetydan | Volume is hardware controlled on all targets right? |
11:08:30 | * | safetydan is really wondering why the low latency mode is needed when setting that |
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11:17:39 | hamdiya | does anyone use IDA? |
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11:22:59 | hamdiya | anyone use IDA? |
11:23:07 | linuxstb | amiconn: Have you done any work on the LCD drawing benchmark plugin you were talking about recently? |
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11:25:28 | JdGordon | evening all |
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11:25:55 | aliask | Howdy Jd |
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11:26:42 | pixelma | JdGordon: amiconn summoned you... |
11:26:47 | amiconn | hi JdGordon |
11:27:02 | JdGordon | am i in trouble? |
11:27:27 | amiconn | I want to fix the wrong voicing of the new bass & treble cutoff settings on ipod video, but can't for the life of me figure out what controls this voicing :( |
11:27:47 | JdGordon | new bass and trble settings? |
11:27:53 | amiconn | These options should be voiced as simple integers, but they are voiced as signed decibel values |
11:28:13 | JdGordon | ah yes.. you need to fix the voice callback for the settings |
11:28:28 | amiconn | I can't even figure out what code actually runs when entering a setting :( |
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11:29:26 | JdGordon | the callback is set in settingslist.c |
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11:30:27 | Nico_P | aliask: hi |
11:30:38 | amiconn | Can't find anything related... |
11:30:39 | aliask | Nico_P: Hello |
11:31:02 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, gimme a few minutes... gotta catch up on some stuff before i can play |
11:31:18 | Nico_P | I've been experimenting a bit with my S and I've seen that timing seems to be very sensitive |
11:31:37 | Nico_P | aliask: also, is it normal that sleep() calls seem to freeze the player, |
11:31:39 | Nico_P | ? |
11:31:46 | amiconn | Nico_P: Btw, the end-of-playlist bug is still unfixed |
11:32:04 | aliask | Nico_P: Sleep freezes it because threading doesn't work properly in the bootloader |
11:32:04 | amiconn | Nico_P: If interrupts are not yet working, this would be expected |
11:32:13 | Nico_P | ok |
11:32:25 | Nico_P | amiconn: could you ellaborate on the end of playlist bug? |
11:32:33 | linuxstb | aliask: Are interrupts enabled (in the bootloader) ? |
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11:32:55 | amiconn | When th eplaylist end, it is supposed to remember that fact, and splash "Nothing to resume" when trying to resume |
11:33:03 | aliask | linuxstb: I believe so, ptw419 and myself both tried to get them working, but we never got anywhere with it |
11:33:07 | amiconn | But that does not always work |
11:33:16 | Nico_P | amiconn: ah, didn't remember that one |
11:33:34 | amiconn | Strangely enough, it seems to work _sometimes_ |
11:34:02 | amiconn | But if it doesn't, you can resume, and it will resume into the last few seconds of the last track |
11:34:18 | amiconn | On hwcodec it works properly |
11:34:55 | Nico_P | aliask: also in the version I have, I get a large negative value for the sectors per ata request and the others |
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11:35:45 | aliask | Nico_P: Sectors per ata request? |
11:36:23 | Nico_P | aliask: yes, and the other values printed by ata_init |
11:37:06 | Nico_P | btw, they weren't printed by DEBUGF with the hack you gave me so I tweaked it a bit |
11:37:20 | aliask | Aha |
11:37:22 | Nico_P | some were outputted as blank lines |
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11:39:13 | Nico_P | maybe it's my hack though... all the ata output seems screwed up |
11:39:32 | Nico_P | even the part numbers are negative |
11:40:06 | aliask | My part numbers are positive |
11:40:16 | Nico_P | yes, I used to have them positive too |
11:40:25 | aliask | 30gb disk? |
11:40:28 | Nico_P | yes |
11:40:39 | aliask | Mine's 60, if that makes any difference |
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11:42:00 | hamdiya | lool, found this in my fw (hex mode) "COPY_PROGRESS WE R DONE . . . HAHAHAHAHA" |
11:42:13 | aliask | LOL |
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11:42:39 | aliask | Bored programmers |
11:42:42 | Nico_P | aliask: one thing I found strange is that adding a debugf line in kernel_init made the thing freeze... |
11:42:57 | The-Compiler | Hi |
11:43:18 | hamdiya | lool |
11:43:26 | aliask | Nico_P: That's really strange... |
11:43:36 | hamdiya | "very professtional" :P |
11:43:37 | aliask | The "Testing, testing, 123" line? |
11:44:51 | Nico_P | aliask: no, an other one... and that one used to not be printed |
11:45:11 | aliask | It prints fine on my player... this is so strange... |
11:45:22 | aliask | Do you think there might be different hardware revisions? |
11:46:12 | Nico_P | no idea... |
11:46:23 | Nico_P | now I changed my hack and the values are OK again |
11:46:38 | Nico_P | with testing 123 being printed too |
11:46:43 | aliask | What was your hack? |
11:47:43 | Nico_P | in debugf, I had replaced "debug(debugmembuf)" by "printf(fmt, ap)", which was obviousl wrong... now I have "printf(debugmembuf)" |
11:49:32 | Nico_P | aliask: I looked at the ata code and the doc a bit... something I didn't understand was the values you give to the TIME_* registers |
11:49:54 | aliask | That's mostly taken from the linux bsp |
11:50:07 | Nico_P | ok |
11:50:11 | aliask | It's timing based on a 27mhz oscillator |
11:50:34 | aliask | I don't understand it though |
11:50:47 | Nico_P | what needs looking at? |
11:51:11 | Nico_P | interrupts? |
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11:51:18 | aliask | Well, loading the main rockbox binary I think should be our priority |
11:51:38 | aliask | Doing that would be the first step to interrupts in my eyes |
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11:52:41 | aliask | It'd also highlight areas which need work |
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11:52:55 | Nico_P | ok... you've started, haven't you? |
11:53:20 | aliask | Kind of, a few unsuccessful attempts. I didn't get a chance to use sendfile.c yet, but I'll do that tonight |
11:54:19 | aliask | I can't remember what code I used to get it to spit out the directory listing, so I'll spend some time getting that working again |
11:54:20 | Nico_P | do you want me to try sending a file to the player? |
11:54:21 | hamdiya | if a developer wanted to make a port to a new targer, do they really need the device? |
11:54:33 | JdGordon | it helps |
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11:54:51 | hamdiya | what if the components are known |
11:54:52 | aliask | Nico_P: Sure, but I was going to use the dir listing to confirm that it was sent |
11:55:01 | bertrik | hamdiya: I'd say definitely |
11:55:13 | Nico_P | aliask: yeah, makes sense |
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11:55:21 | JdGordon | amiconn: have a look at the _getlang functions in settings_list.c and fix one to talk the sounds settings correctly |
11:55:28 | hamdiya | so if i post details of the compoennt in my player |
11:55:38 | hamdiya | would it be possible for a dev. to make the port? |
11:55:46 | JdGordon | .. OH... crap... SOUND_SETTING doesnt have a talk callback |
11:56:10 | amiconn | exactly |
11:56:19 | Nico_P | aliask: adding debug messages to ini_threads causes panics |
11:56:23 | amiconn | But sound settings *are* able to use different units |
11:56:34 | JdGordon | ok.. this could be difficult |
11:56:55 | amiconn | Balance uses %, the other standard settings use dB, and on MASF, some MDB settings use Hz |
11:57:02 | aliask | Nico_P: Where in memory is it panicing? |
11:57:07 | amiconn | I just cannot find *where* this is handled... |
11:57:09 | aliask | Check your rockbox.map file |
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11:57:14 | Llorean | hamdiya: Developers are exceedingly unlikely to work on a port for a device they don't have. As has been said, many times, it's a lot of work. And a lot of time. So people usually do it for a player they own, because they want to be able to use Rockbox on it. |
11:57:26 | Llorean | hamdiya: You could always start trying to learn the things you don't know. |
11:57:27 | Nico_P | aliask: didn't say... it seemed to be the THREAD_PANICF("init_threads->no slot", NULL); message |
11:57:32 | hamdiya | would a fe $$ boost the project? |
11:58:11 | amiconn | I doubt that |
11:58:55 | amiconn | JdGordon: I have a suspicion... hope grep helps me finding something |
11:59:12 | aliask | Nico_P: Well, this is pretty much the limit of my knowledge. I have no idea why it'd be panicing to be honest |
11:59:37 | hamdiya | i'd have to learn C from scratch and then practice on it. by then my player would probably be in a junk box :P |
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12:00:21 | markun | hamdiya: find some more aldipod owners, maybe one of them wants to help you with the port |
12:01:15 | hamdiya | the only aldipod resource i found was a german forum |
12:01:21 | Nico_P | aliask: ok... I probably won't have time to try more today... could you send me a patch if you manage to get the dir listing? |
12:01:28 | hamdiya | time to use google trans. tools |
12:01:36 | aliask | Nico_P: Sure thing |
12:01:55 | Llorean | hamdiya: Still, it's the best way. As has been said several times: Ports happen when owners of the hardware make it happen. Trying to convince someone who's not interested in the hardware to do it for you is just going to generate ill will |
12:02:11 | Nico_P | aliask: also, anything I can do to help, I just need pointers to know where to start :) |
12:02:20 | Nico_P | trying to get up to speed |
12:02:54 | aliask | Ok. I think you're pretty much up to speed already though |
12:03:52 | Nico_P | I think I still need to read the iMX doc and study the linux bsp code |
12:04:04 | Nico_P | problem is I have very little knowledge in that area |
12:04:10 | hamdiya | yeah i guess you're right. Lemme see my german friends over at razyboard.com |
12:04:31 | amiconn | JdGordon: Ah, yes. It's handled in option_select.c, and thi splace didn't know about dimensionless sound units yet |
12:04:45 | JdGordon | yeah.. i was about to say that |
12:04:57 | aliask | I find the BSP code very hard to read sometimes, I've never programmed with linux and it seems to have some quirks |
12:05:02 | JdGordon | you might want to add a flag in to split the sound settings into decimal and not |
12:05:13 | * | JdGordon not very helpful tonight... heading out in a few min |
12:05:14 | Nico_P | aliask: yeah, neither have I |
12:05:51 | JdGordon | amiconn: hows the backlight reowrk going? |
12:06:35 | Nico_P | well I'm off now... nice talking to you aliask ;) |
12:06:38 | amiconn | Still at the beginning... didn't have much time, and then all kinds of quirks to fix got in the way... |
12:06:59 | aliask | Nico_P: Catch you later! |
12:07:03 | Nico_P | sure |
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12:18:42 | amiconn | safetydan: Fix committed. |
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12:24:25 | safetydan | amiconn, cool |
12:24:50 | safetydan | right, now to get the graphical eq menu talking |
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12:26:25 | amiconn | It's just a quick drop-in fix. It would probably be helpful to handle the sound units at the app level, and remove the unit from the table in firmware/ |
12:26:55 | amiconn | But unfortunately I don't really understand the current settings system. Maybe JdGordon could look into that |
12:27:33 | amiconn | Afaiu, settings do have a way to specify a unit |
12:28:14 | amiconn | s/way/means/ |
12:28:32 | amiconn | Oops, yellow |
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12:31:01 | safetydan | general settings can have units but it seems sound settings can't |
12:31:29 | pixelma | safetydan: you want to make it talk the bands, so you know where you are at? Btw. was it you who was interested in redesigning this screen somehow (I mean the problem that not all bands are visible on the c200 screen)? |
12:31:47 | amiconn | Yes, atm. Sound settings get their unit from the table in firmware/, but then the firmware layer doesn't actually need to know about the unit |
12:32:10 | amiconn | So the units could be moved up to apps |
12:32:23 | safetydan | pixelma, the idea is to make the graphical screen as accessible as the menus and then get rid of the menus. After that I was going to look at redesigns. |
12:33:04 | amiconn | The current screen isn't even accessible for sighted users on c200 |
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12:33:58 | pixelma | ah, ok. |
12:35:13 | safetydan | well redesign could happen at the same time as talking, but either way the code needs some attention |
12:37:26 | amiconn | Slasheri: xen.ihme.org still needs the patched arm-elf-gcc |
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12:37:58 | isoTop | i see there is a new usb stacj |
12:38:00 | isoTop | stack |
12:38:16 | isoTop | will usb charging with sansa will now work? |
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12:43:52 | jmspeex | preglow: do you have numbers on code size difference your patch makes? |
12:45:05 | pixelma | isoTop: it should (at least enters charging mode if you hold select when plugging the cable) - haven't tested how much of an effect it has... |
12:45:12 | Slasheri | amiconn: doing that now |
12:46:19 | isoTop | pixelma, cool, i order one already and if it will charge it will be even better :) |
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12:49:09 | pixelma | well so far I charged using the original firmware which is still available (and currently still needed for usb transfers). The new stack is meant to get rid of this dependency |
12:49:19 | Slasheri | amiconn: ok, now rockboxdev.sh is compiling and installing the new arm-elf |
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13:01:38 | Slasheri | amiconn: upgrade done |
13:02:04 | Slasheri | amiconn: should i upgrade the other compilers as well? |
13:03:25 | n1s | Slasheri: no need |
13:04:30 | Slasheri | ok :) |
13:04:30 | amiconn | Slasheri: I wonder whether rebuilding sh-elf-gcc on ihme.org would fix that strange binsize delta |
13:04:46 | Slasheri | amiconn: i could try that |
13:09:50 | Slasheri | hmm, i will rebuild all compilers on ihme.org |
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13:53:24 | aliask | Nico_P: http://aliask.dyndns.org:70/temp/filelist.patch <−−- I might have forgotten to include dir.h, so if it doesn't work that should fix it... need to sleep though |
13:54:21 | Nico_P | aliask: thanks :) |
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13:54:27 | aliask | G'night |
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14:18:59 | n1s | hmm this gcc 4.3 snapshot works a bit better than the one two weeks ago, at least rockbox boots now, and plugins work fine, codecs don't however... |
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14:25:18 | omry | any news on rockbox USB support? |
14:25:33 | Robin0800 | holding menu on an ipodvideo at reboot booted the OF System |
14:25:54 | omry | my Sansa crash while scanning the files database, probably doesnt like one of the files. |
14:26:12 | omry | I mean - when the original firmware scans the files database. |
14:26:20 | omry | I need the original firmware to upload files. |
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14:27:06 | Lear | Yes, but with a recent enough bootloader (and the right OF version?), the DB scan is disabled. I never see it... |
14:27:52 | omry | Lear, we are talking about the db scan of the original firmware, right? |
14:27:58 | Lear | Yes. |
14:28:03 | omry | how do I disable it? |
14:28:51 | Lear | As I said, you need a recent bootloader. It's on by default, if the bootloader recognize the OF version or something like that. |
14:29:16 | omry | a recent rockbox bootloader? |
14:29:52 | omry | is the bootloader upgradeable without re-downloading rbutilqt ? |
14:30:26 | Lear | Yes. I think so... Afaik it downloads those things. |
14:30:35 | omry | I`ll try. |
14:30:47 | omry | sadly it means I`ll have to delete all my files first |
14:31:07 | Lear | Why? |
14:31:22 | omry | because my sansa crash when I boot it with the cable connected |
14:31:27 | omry | because of the db scan |
14:31:44 | pixelma | just a notice - it only works on the e200-series |
14:31:54 | omry | pixelma, I got e280 |
14:32:07 | omry | so what ever it you are referring to, I think it's ok |
14:32:51 | Lear | Btw, you could try the Sansa updater first. After upgrading, it boots to a language selection screen. Might be before the DB scan... |
14:32:53 | omry | so, any bright ideas before I nuke my podcasts directory? |
14:33:10 | omry | what is the sansa updater? |
14:33:14 | omry | how do I access it? |
14:33:20 | tuplanolla | sandisk's OF update tool |
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14:33:21 | pixelma | I meant the disabling of the original firmware's db scan with a new bootloader - should work for you then :) |
14:33:44 | omry | tuplanolla, let me guess: windows only? :)_ |
14:34:00 | tuplanolla | omry: only windows. |
14:34:20 | omry | figures. okay.. nuking my directory. |
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14:34:30 | omry | I wonrder - how can the bootloader disable the dbscan? |
14:34:34 | omry | technically? |
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14:35:28 | Llorean | The OF keeps track of whether it thinks the DB needs rescanned on reboot by storing a value somewhere. We can put a value there too. |
14:35:39 | omry | clever. |
14:36:06 | omry | alright, looks like rbutil downloaded a new bootloader |
14:37:24 | linuxstb | omry: If you can't start the original firmware, you can't enter USB mode, and hence you can't install a new bootloader with rbutil.... |
14:37:46 | omry | linuxstb, unless I delete my files, which allow me to start the original firmware once again. |
14:38:15 | omry | linuxstb, I have already upgraded my bootloader and am now copying the files back. |
14:39:14 | tuplanolla | um, does rbutil work with 64-bit Ubuntu? |
14:40:02 | linuxstb | I think so, but you may need to build it yourself. |
14:40:18 | tuplanolla | yeah, I noticed that |
14:40:28 | tuplanolla | let's try then ;) |
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14:42:00 | * | n1s dances the file system corruption dance :) |
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14:46:39 | preglow | woot, hw eq gone! \o/ |
14:46:42 | tuplanolla | ew. too much -dev thingies to download, no good. not trying then :) |
14:48:13 | * | n1s finds a cosmetic bug in panicf calls, it already wraps lines by itself and uses lcd_puts so it tries to print \n chars... |
14:48:24 | Robin0800 | holding menu on an ipodvideo at reboot booted the OF System isn't hold only supposed to do that? |
14:49:02 | n1s | Robin0800: no menu is the old way and is supposed to work too |
14:50:27 | Robin0800 | n1s,good because I prefer thatthough I don'y think the maual mentions it now |
14:50:58 | Nico_P | linuxstb: can I access a second partition in a bootloader? |
14:51:13 | linuxstb | Sure. |
14:51:28 | linuxstb | Isn't the first partition the firmware partition on the S? |
14:51:59 | linuxstb | Probably the easiest way is to hard-code which partition is mounted - I think that's in disk.c |
14:52:07 | Nico_P | yes, but I think files I send are copied on another one |
14:52:21 | * | bertrik got a new USB hub for testing sansa USB |
14:52:51 | linuxstb | Nico_P: So things are progressing? |
14:53:47 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I can run code on my gigabeat, and aliask just gave me code to show a dir listing... we want to load a rockbox.gigabeat file |
14:54:00 | Nico_P | I wouldn't say there is much progress |
14:54:29 | linuxstb | Is the procedure for running code with your sendfirm tool documented now? |
14:55:14 | Nico_P | not really, no |
14:56:03 | Robin0800 | linuxstb,menu for OF should not be still active with boot loader version 2 on ipod videeo? |
14:56:10 | Nico_P | hmm and things sometimes break for no good reason... I changed which partition should be mounted in disk.c and now the player freezes before even reaching that point |
14:57:01 | Nico_P | a single printf call can also make the player freeze |
14:57:23 | linuxstb | Robin0800: Why not? That's the original way, but some people found it too hard, so the HOLD method was added. |
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14:59:02 | Nico_P | linuxstb: my updater is very simple to use though |
14:59:24 | Robin0800 | Perhaps the maual needs to be changed to describe both methods at th e moment it sounds like menu is not available in bootloader2 |
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15:01:46 | Frazz | is anyone working on getting RB on the new ipods? |
15:02:05 | Nico_P | linuxstb: changing the arg in the disk_mount() call that is in disk.c:disk_mount_all should be enough, shouldn't it? |
15:02:15 | n1s | Frazz: no |
15:02:26 | bertrik | Nico_P: I also ran into that when experimenting with the db refresh bit, never looked into it or figured it out though |
15:03:12 | Nico_P | bertrik: random freezes? |
15:03:34 | bertrik | a freeze after using printf in the bootloader |
15:04:02 | Nico_P | well I use it, but sometimes it freezes and sometimes not |
15:08:51 | Nico_P | hmm looks like it's not the arg of disk_mount() I need to change |
15:09:27 | tuplanolla | hum. the Rockbox Utility is kinda weird. |
15:09:48 | tuplanolla | it just keeps asking me "No device selected. Do you want to autodetect the device?" |
15:10:03 | tuplanolla | 0.3.2.6 is the version. |
15:11:02 | tuplanolla | Auto detection failed: aborting was hiding behind the other dialog |
15:11:19 | tuplanolla | but can't press Details because the other dialog is still here |
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15:12:33 | * | Nico_P can't find the files he sends |
15:13:26 | Llorean | Nico_P: Is there a way to browse the device from the PC side via MTP (or at least get a file listing)? |
15:13:47 | Nico_P | Llorean: yes, but the listing has nothing to do with what my bootloader tells me |
15:14:01 | Llorean | I just meant, can you verify the files actually got received? |
15:14:39 | Nico_P | yes I can |
15:14:47 | Llorean | ok |
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15:15:11 | Nico_P | I use the limtp example utilities, but I tried both partitions and see no familiar filename except nk.bin |
15:16:41 | Nico_P | on the second partition, one file is named "Content" |
15:16:58 | linuxstb | Are you viewing the size of files? |
15:17:16 | Nico_P | no, good idea |
15:18:21 | linuxstb | "Content" is the only file you can see? |
15:18:59 | Nico_P | no, there are others (I need to restart the bootloader to give you the names) |
15:19:44 | Nico_P | something like library and drm though |
15:19:53 | Nico_P | I'm on the second partition right now |
15:19:59 | linuxstb | Are they files or directories? |
15:20:19 | Nico_P | "Content" might actually be a dir |
15:20:33 | linuxstb | Would make sense ;) |
15:21:19 | Nico_P | :( now there is a freeze... All I changed was I added %ld to display the size |
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15:21:55 | bertrik | weird, if i wake up my sansa by connecting it to a hub, it wakes up but boots rockbox instead of OF |
15:22:38 | linuxstb | bertrik: Is this with a bootloader from SVN, or the released version? |
15:23:04 | bertrik | a released version that came with sansapatcher |
15:23:31 | Nico_P | what's annoying too is that the recovery mode erases all files |
15:23:42 | linuxstb | That makes sense - the USB detection should distinguish between a "power-only" connection and a connection to a PC. IIUC, the bootloader only starts the OF if it detects a USB connection to a PC. |
15:23:44 | Nico_P | thankfully the OF lets me upgrade without doing that |
15:23:57 | linuxstb | (or at least, that's what the USB detection used to do) |
15:24:19 | linuxstb | Nico_P: So you can install a new version of the Rockbox bootloader without using recovery mode? |
15:24:26 | Nico_P | yes |
15:24:39 | linuxstb | I mean when your bootloader crashes? |
15:25:02 | Nico_P | ah no, you'll need to enter recoveyr mode then |
15:25:13 | bertrik | linuxstb: ok, I'm testing with an USB compliance verifier and it replaces the windows USB stack |
15:25:21 | Nico_P | but if you have the OF, you can update without using the recovery mode |
15:25:51 | Nico_P | ok, now I have a file listing with attribute and sie |
15:25:52 | Nico_P | size |
15:26:40 | Slasheri | amiconn: now all compilers are reinstalled on ihme.org |
15:26:51 | Nico_P | the attribute shows that Content is a dir... I'll try to get in it |
15:26:59 | linuxstb | Nico_P: So the first time you use your tool, you can do it in the original firmware, but subsequent times require recovery mode? |
15:27:09 | Nico_P | yes |
15:27:22 | linuxstb | So we need dual-boot... |
15:27:40 | Nico_P | what I do if I want to see files is enter recovery mode, load the OF, add files and upgrade from the OF |
15:27:44 | Nico_P | we definitely need it, yeah |
15:28:09 | linuxstb | Can you copy files back to the PC with libmtp? |
15:28:16 | Nico_P | also because recovery mode takes ages before letting you upgrade |
15:28:32 | Nico_P | yes |
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15:32:22 | tuplanolla | halp, rockbox utility doesn't find my Sansa |
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15:33:01 | bertrik | tuplanolla: do you use a recent version of rbutil? latest version should find it but one before that doesn't |
15:33:22 | tuplanolla | 0.3.2.6 is the newest i could find |
15:33:48 | bertrik | I use v1.0.2, can be found here http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/win32/ |
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15:34:14 | tuplanolla | and also tried rbutilqt 1.0.3 |
15:34:21 | tuplanolla | lets try 1.0.2 |
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15:37:42 | tuplanolla | hm, download error: received http error 7602289 |
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15:40:01 | linuxstb | bertrik: 1.0.2 is the version that didn't work on Windows with the Sansa. 1.0.3 is fixed. |
15:41:42 | bertrik | weird |
15:42:18 | * | stripwax_ is buying a nokia modem usb data cable and a cheap ipod usb data cable and will splice them together to make an ipod usb serial cable |
15:42:36 | stripwax_ | ebay's great for parts |
15:43:11 | stripwax_ | just picked up an ipod video -> 2xaudio+1xvideo rca cable to test/play with tv out |
15:43:14 | tuplanolla | o yeahs, now it works fine |
15:43:34 | stripwax_ | and also to confirm that rockbox has both of these disabled by default to save power |
15:43:43 | tuplanolla | there was another copy of rbutil freezed somehow |
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15:54:55 | countrymonkey | I want to get working parts of an archos player out of the archos junkyard. A mas from this player (working), a dac from another player (also working). How much would that cost me? |
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15:56:56 | countrymonkey | and all the other necessary parts |
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15:57:44 | ToHellWithGA | do yall know of a linux utility to defragment fat32 partitions? i've moved quite a lot of files to and from my ipod over the past few months and would imagine it is fragmented since it is fat32 |
15:58:41 | Klevi | =/ Im not sure if Linux has that ... sorry |
15:59:05 | Klevi | I know it has ntfs fix, but thats as far as I go |
15:59:12 | countrymonkey | I wouldn't think so |
15:59:30 | Klevi | Try Google. |
15:59:33 | ToHellWithGA | i guess i could just mount the ipod in a windows VM and defragment it |
15:59:42 | ToHellWithGA | gee thanks Klevi i never thought of google :-P |
15:59:45 | Klevi | theres a good idea |
15:59:47 | Klevi | =p |
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16:00:02 | Klevi | Well, yknow some people actually just ask first rather than google |
16:00:19 | Klevi | Better to mention it rather than not mention it |
16:01:02 | Klevi | hehe |
16:01:33 | Klevi | ToHellWithGA, You dont know anything about supybot i presume.. lol |
16:01:37 | countrymonkey | How much would it be to get all working parts necessary to assemble an archos player out of the archos junkyard? |
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16:01:46 | Klevi | ... hm |
16:02:04 | Klevi | depends on what yah need.. but junkyard stuff here is 10$ or something |
16:02:15 | Klevi | Pretty cheap in general Id assume. |
16:02:43 | Klevi | Is it needed to be junkyard assembled? =p |
16:03:09 | countrymonkey | I need all the parts. I don't have an archos player to begin with and I want to learn how to assemble something. Dad will teach me as long as I get all the parts. I looked at the spare parts page and I thought it would be cool to experience the good old archos. |
16:03:23 | Klevi | Ah, I see |
16:03:32 | countrymonkey | No. We will assemble it. |
16:03:38 | Klevi | Thats pretty cool of you |
16:03:53 | countrymonkey | Hey, I need to learn somehow. |
16:03:56 | Klevi | Indeed |
16:04:17 | Klevi | Like myself and ventureing into the software coding world |
16:04:24 | countrymonkey | So how do I get the dang parts? I will pay for the parts if I get a price |
16:04:31 | Klevi | Ebay? |
16:04:53 | Klevi | I honestly dont have a straightforward answer |
16:05:07 | Klevi | do some homework on it |
16:05:14 | Klevi | its bound to be sold somewhere |
16:05:37 | countrymonkey | Wow! I never thought of that. Could you get me a list of parts for the player? I will just pick them up one by one. |
16:06:09 | Klevi | ... Sarcasm... or..? |
16:06:40 | countrymonkey | No. I really need a list of parts |
16:07:01 | Klevi | have you tried google? |
16:07:29 | countrymonkey | well... Google time! |
16:07:46 | Klevi | ^.^ |
16:08:02 | Klevi | hmm |
16:11:30 | Nico_P | those random freezes are really getting to me |
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16:12:11 | webguest51 | hi everybody ! |
16:12:15 | countrymonkey | No. I need archos junkyard stuff. Ebay doesn't have any archos players. Where can I look to buy the archos junkyard equipment? |
16:12:17 | bertrik | random freezes are often caused by stack problems |
16:12:47 | webguest51 | got just one question about unlocking password on a fujistsu hdd |
16:12:57 | webguest51 | i tried ata passowrd |
16:13:26 | Llorean | countrymonkey: Why not just get an old archos, take it apart, and then put it back together? |
16:13:29 | bertrik | webguest51: what's the relation with rockbox? |
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16:14:17 | countrymonkey | \What? |
16:14:44 | Klevi | Better idea.. have someone ELSE take it apart, and give it to you in pieces |
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16:15:02 | Klevi | Whats the difference |
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16:15:35 | bertrik | "will it blend?" :P |
16:15:45 | Klevi | lol.. |
16:15:57 | Llorean | The answer is always "Yes, assuming a sufficiently advanced blender" |
16:16:17 | Nico_P | linuxstb: any ideas how dual booting could be done? |
16:16:26 | Nico_P | I'm sick of going through recovery mode |
16:17:08 | * | Klevi 's new sansa c200 arrives in the mail the 28th hopefully |
16:18:02 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Not really. You'll need to try and understand the boot process, and how the nk.bin hack works. But the basic idea would be to hook into the OF's entry point, check something simple via GPIO (e.g. hold switch), and depending on the status either branch back to the OF's entry point, or continue running our code. |
16:18:11 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I think aliask attempted it, but couldn't get it working. |
16:18:40 | Nico_P | yeah IIRC he had the freezes |
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16:19:05 | Nico_P | from what I could tell they are consistent and come and go according to which code you have |
16:19:08 | * | Nico_P too |
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16:26:12 | Soap | linuxstb, please ignore the following if I draw you too far into distraction-land: |
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16:27:29 | Soap | Based on some comments by zagor yesterday regarding the USB detection added to the PP targets, and the minimal stack for requesting 500ma, a bit of confusion arose regarding Rockbox's history of powering the USB controller. |
16:28:20 | Soap | I was under the impression that the USB controller had long been enabled (powered), but perhaps I am wrong. Neither LL nor I could recall the exact history of the situation. |
16:29:10 | Soap | Do you know the timeline of it being powered or not? If this is the first time it is unpowered I was going to run some battery_bench tests to see how much power is saved. |
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16:48:24 | webguest83 | hello |
16:48:33 | tuplanolla | hello |
16:48:46 | webguest83 | i need help |
16:48:51 | webguest83 | can you help me? |
16:49:03 | tuplanolla | It depends on your question |
16:49:10 | webguest83 | :) |
16:49:18 | webguest83 | i have a e250 |
16:49:23 | webguest83 | of sandisk |
16:49:28 | tuplanolla | cool, i have e280 ;) |
16:49:41 | webguest83 | :D |
16:49:41 | bertrik | what is the problem? |
16:49:59 | webguest83 | 1 sec |
16:50:16 | webguest83 | I install ta rock box |
16:50:24 | webguest83 | now i want to see a movie in it |
16:50:29 | webguest83 | but i dont know how |
16:50:38 | webguest83 | i transfer the movie to the e250 |
16:50:47 | webguest83 | how can play it now? |
16:51:01 | bertrik | this link probably has your answer : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
16:51:25 | webguest83 | thank you, i'll have a look |
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16:57:28 | webguest83 | if i understood right so when i click on the movie to play it need to play the movie right? |
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16:58:05 | bertrik | wow, rockbox charged my battery up to 4.1V, while the OF never seems to go higher than 4.0V |
16:59:30 | bertrik | webguest83: yes, use the 'files' menu item to browse to the file and then select it with the middle button |
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17:01:08 | webguest83 | but it doesnt work yet |
17:01:20 | webguest83 | nothing happen when i do it |
17:01:34 | webguest83 | it's an AVI file |
17:02:50 | bertrik | the mpegplayer plugin can only play MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 |
17:03:41 | webguest83 | ahh |
17:03:53 | webguest83 | so i cant see an avi movie on it? |
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17:07:12 | mokkurkalve | You have to convert your movie to the appropriate format, framerate and size to watch it. All the info are on the link bertrik provided |
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17:35:02 | Mechel | hallo |
17:35:37 | Mechel | hi |
17:35:50 | stripwax | hello |
17:36:03 | Mechel | wird der "Sandisk Sansa e280 " schon unterstützt? |
17:36:15 | Mechel | ich lese nur von e200... |
17:36:21 | rasher_ | Please speak English. |
17:36:42 | Mechel | ok, sorry |
17:37:16 | rasher_ | The e200 is just a series of players, including the e250, e260 and e280 (I believe those are the right numbers, but could be wrong) |
17:39:21 | Mechel | yes, Thank you for the answer :) |
17:40:41 | Mechel | cu |
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17:52:26 | webguest83 | i have a proble with the WINFF |
17:52:34 | webguest83 | can someone help me please? |
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18:04:56 | nanok_ | rasher_: there is also the 270 i think, the 6G one |
18:05:05 | nanok_ | not that it matters :) |
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18:25:07 | Presence | wow, so the ipod video no longer uses software EQ? its all integrated all nifty-style right into hardware where possible? |
18:25:13 | Presence | thats pretty freaking cool. |
18:25:18 | Presence | no more "double EQ" confusion |
18:27:08 | Presence | and by "use hardware", I mean whatever equivalant to "hardware eq" really means inside that chippie. |
18:27:51 | rasher_ | on the contrary. The hardware eq configuration was removed, because the Video doesn't actually have a hardware equalizer. |
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18:33:11 | Presence | ooOOOooh |
18:33:40 | Presence | this is totally dumb, but, the ipod (video) is a "software codec" playback device, right? |
18:34:45 | Presence | like, instead of like using whatever circuits etched or whatever inside of the chip for "real" hardware playback? |
18:35:48 | Llorean | "real" hardware playback is still software playback. |
18:36:00 | Llorean | It just means a specially programmed chip, instead of a multipurpose one |
18:36:08 | Presence | okay, cool! |
18:36:10 | Llorean | But the iPod Video is in the category we call "software codec" for simplicity |
18:36:31 | Llorean | The ones we call "Hardware Codec" use a chip we refer to as the MAS decoder, which can be reprogrammed but we don't really do it. |
18:37:00 | Presence | hah, okay. |
18:37:48 | Presence | so, like, IRL the ipod video's "EQ" stuff in the menu just makes "more sense" now. that makes me happy, too. |
18:40:21 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'm around now. :) |
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20:16:03 | lostlogic | interesting. I installed a new apple firmware on my iPod and it actually changed the emergency disk mode screen slightly |
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20:24:27 | preglow | which ipod? |
20:24:30 | preglow | 5g? |
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20:27:02 | countrymonkey | Could someone commit 8213 and 8216? |
20:28:05 | linuxstb | 8213 has already been rejected. |
20:29:02 | dionoea | lostlogic: did it make it look better? :) |
20:29:32 | countrymonkey | I added an explanation. If someone could give me an explanation of why the damn thing cannot be committed that would be nice. |
20:29:33 | linuxstb | More importantly, is it faster than the previous version? |
20:29:58 | linuxstb | countrymonkey: What explanation? We won't remove support for hardware that a particular device has. |
20:30:36 | countrymonkey | It is unstable. All the patch does is comment out the defines. |
20:30:46 | Llorean | Then FIX recording, don't remove it. |
20:30:46 | countrymonkey | it means a binsize decrease. |
20:30:56 | Llorean | Rockbox is not release software. |
20:31:16 | countrymonkey | How about 8216. And could 8218 be fixed? |
20:32:30 | * | jhMikeS has already pointed out what needs to be fixed so recording isn't busted on iPods...not much work. |
20:32:45 | Llorean | countrymonkey: And how do you propose to fix 8218? |
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20:34:17 | countrymonkey | Software mixer. Fix it just like you did with the stinking voice thread. Same thing, isn't it? |
20:34:34 | Llorean | If it's that simple, I look forward to a patch. |
20:34:41 | jhMikeS | ummm...not so easy since it's not really a true mixer |
20:35:10 | jhMikeS | we'll never have a really good mixer without preemptive threads...it'll alway be 2nd rate then |
20:35:12 | countrymonkey | oh; I don't know |
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20:37:47 | countrymonkey | If you look, you will see I am a reporter. Therefore, I cannot program. I took some c classes a few years ago, but they were basic and they fell through. That is how I know how to comment out the recording code as shown in 8213. I know vbscript, if I can be some assistance there. |
20:38:56 | Llorean | countrymonkey: "reporter" is just anyone who hasn't been given special privileges. It doesn't imply anything beyond that. The fact that you seemed to feel you knew well enough how to solve it that you could comment on it, suggested to me that you could do so rather than that you were just making things up as you went along. |
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20:39:12 | jhMikeS | VBScript surely won't help here but recording on iPods can function very well if the drivers get some minor updates |
20:39:16 | Llorean | One would of course assume that if you were confident enough to comment on how to do it, it was because you'd looked into it first. |
20:39:42 | jhMikeS | Metronome with music is a worse situation though |
20:40:12 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Can you remind me what needs doing in the audio drivers? |
20:41:16 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: the audiohw_enable/disable_recording, audiohw_set_monitor functions need to be properly implemented. right now audiohw_disable_recording just turns the chip off the same as when powering down. |
20:43:06 | linuxstb | So "disable_recording" really means "enable_playback" ? |
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20:43:53 | jhMikeS | yes...turn off the ADC and the inputs. |
20:44:07 | preglow | jhMikeS: cutting some iram away from speex now |
20:44:51 | jhMikeS | audiohw_set_monitor is expected to enable analog monitoring paths (for things like radio) but be independent in setting that up |
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20:45:35 | jhMikeS | preglow: how much? the less the better for core anyway. decoding speed hardly seems an issue with it. |
20:46:52 | preglow | jhMikeS: dunno yet, a 2-3-4 kb |
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20:47:22 | jhMikeS | !! that's alot :) |
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21:09:26 | webguest05 | i have serious problem with my device... i can't run any application or game in it...is says incomaptible version... |
21:10:12 | webguest05 | someone? |
21:10:42 | bertrik | I probably can't help you, what device do you have and what version of rockbox? |
21:12:05 | webguest05 | e200 and current version |
21:12:09 | Llorean | "Incompatible version" means that your rockbox binary is a different version than your plugins |
21:12:23 | Llorean | Usually it means you didn't extract everything to it when installing/updating |
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21:13:22 | webguest05 | ohh ok |
21:13:24 | webguest05 | thanks |
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21:23:46 | bertrik | I just built a sim, but there's no 'install' target anymore. Is that correct or am I doing something wrong? |
21:24:43 | jhMikeS | 'make install' was removed? |
21:25:24 | bertrik | never mind, i think i did something stupid, accidentally configured for the real target I think, sorry |
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21:33:51 | makuseru | im having a problem, i have rockbox installed on a Toshiba Gigabeat, i had a song playing and just turned it off, when i do that the next time i turn it on it resumes playing that song, i then had moved some files around through the computer onto the player, and i guess i deleted the song it was played when i turned it off, so now when i turn it on its stuck at that song and i cant go back into the menu or anything. i even tried resetting the |
21:33:51 | makuseru | battery and deleting the .rockbox directory and putting it back on but none of that worked. Does anyone know anyway to solve this problem? |
21:33:59 | countrymonkey | How do you sync a patch? |
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21:36:41 | countrymonkey | How do you sync a patch? |
21:37:35 | bertrik | one way is to go back into SVN to the version that the patch applies to with 'svn update -r <version>', then apply the patch, then update back to current version with 'svn update' |
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21:38:37 | countrymonkey | I want to go back to October 15, 2007. How do I do that? |
21:39:47 | bertrik | svn help update tells you how i think |
21:40:28 | countrymonkey | Thanks a bunch. |
21:40:34 | bertrik | another way is to simply apply the patch to the current version and hope for the best |
21:41:37 | countrymonkey | I tried that; didn't work. This baby needs a resync, bigtime |
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21:59:10 | JavaMan22 | im trying to store a color i make with it |
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22:03:38 | jhMikeS | type? it returns RGB888 packed to an fb_data type (truncated to fit) |
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22:04:04 | JavaMan22 | so how whould i store it in a var? |
22:04:08 | JavaMan22 | *would |
22:04:18 | countrymonkey | What is the syntax to go back to a previous version of svn? |
22:04:33 | jhMikeS | the same as any other. fb_data color = LCD_RGBPACK(r, g, b) |
22:04:40 | JavaMan22 | ok thx |
22:04:51 | PaulJam | countrymonkey: svn up -r12345 |
22:05:57 | countrymonkey | It sais skip and that is it. I do svn up -r15120 and it sais skipped. |
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22:07:00 | PaulJam | countrymonkey: then you are propably in the wrong directory |
22:07:40 | countrymonkey | Do I have to be in the root of my source tree? |
22:07:48 | PaulJam | yes |
22:08:00 | countrymonkey | oh... I was one level above. |
22:08:47 | JavaMan22 | in order for a plugin to be in official build it needs to work on most targets? |
22:08:48 | countrymonkey | Now we are getting somewhere. Thanks very much. Now I have talking plugins. |
22:09:17 | countrymonkey | Can I use svn update to get back? |
22:09:32 | countrymonkey | Javaman: Yes |
22:10:09 | countrymonkey | Well, just sensible targets. (the iriverify plugin is only accessible on irivers obviously) |
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22:11:30 | JavaMan22 | ... |
22:12:03 | JavaMan22 | when it builds things for every target cant it just not include a plugin |
22:12:21 | JavaMan22 | i mean on the website |
22:13:12 | Llorean | JavaMan22: Why should we make it be different for different players if there's no good reason to do so? |
22:13:34 | JavaMan22 | ok tru |
22:13:57 | JavaMan22 | im trying to port a periodic table |
22:14:08 | JavaMan22 | because its very handy :) |
22:14:52 | JavaMan22 | btw what is the smallest font in the official build |
22:16:18 | PaulJam | 5x7 propably |
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22:17:29 | jhMikeS | a plugin can always provide its own glyphs |
22:19:47 | PaulJam | you are right, it is propably a bad idea to rely on the user having installed the fonts pack. |
22:19:56 | safetydan | Hrm, would removing the hardware equalizer be considered a major change? |
22:20:11 | Llorean | A periodic table could just use bitmaps. |
22:20:14 | jhMikeS | not if it didn't work :) |
22:20:17 | Bagder | safetydan: yes I'd say so |
22:20:30 | JavaMan22 | but but |
22:20:51 | JavaMan22 | i wanna draw it with rb |
22:20:53 | jhMikeS | some games already do their own fonts I think |
22:21:00 | JavaMan22 | ok so in chopper |
22:21:01 | JavaMan22 | rb->lcd_setfont(FONT_SYSFIXED); |
22:21:16 | JavaMan22 | how do i set it to the 5x7 |
22:21:33 | preglow | jhMikeS: 2kb |
22:21:41 | Llorean | JavaMan22: You really, *really* shouldn't use any specific font. Either use the fixed system font, or set it to the user font and hope the user has picked on small enough |
22:21:57 | JavaMan22 | cant i just revert it back |
22:21:58 | jhMikeS | preglow: no small potatoes then |
22:22:00 | Llorean | In fact, I don't think you can pick a font other than FONT_SYSFIXED or FONT_USER right now (if I have the name right) |
22:22:01 | JavaMan22 | when the plugin stops |
22:22:14 | Llorean | JavaMan22: The point is that you can't know if the font is on the disk. |
22:22:24 | JavaMan22 | then ill provide on |
22:22:26 | JavaMan22 | one |
22:22:37 | JavaMan22 | but then i dont know how :( |
22:22:39 | safetydan | Enhancement or bugfix? |
22:22:48 | Llorean | safetydan: Enhancement, I think |
22:22:53 | safetydan | Llorean, I agree |
22:23:16 | Llorean | Honestly, I think the scrollwheel acceleration, and speex voice files were also enhacements |
22:23:19 | JavaMan22 | ok i shall use |
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22:23:25 | JavaMan22 | sysfixed |
22:23:33 | Llorean | I see feature as "it can do something new" and enhancement as "something it did before is now done better" |
22:23:42 | saratoga | soap: I tested disabling the USB controller on the Sansa a couple months ago |
22:24:19 | saratoga | it used 1.5 ma, and it has always been enabled (we used it to detect when cables were plugged in and to reboot back to the OF) |
22:24:26 | JavaMan22 | wat are the sysfont dimensions |
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22:24:47 | JavaMan22 | *sysfixed |
22:24:57 | saratoga | sorry, couple weeks ago |
22:24:59 | linuxstb_ | JavaMan22: SYSFONT_WIDTH * SYSFONT_HEIGHT (see sysfont.h in your build directory) |
22:25:10 | saratoga | its one of the bits in the dev_en register |
22:25:51 | JavaMan22 | thx |
22:26:00 | safetydan | JavaMan22, it should be easy enough to build around the user font. Just might have to make it scroll a bit. |
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22:28:17 | Llorean | Hey, on a nearly unrelated note. |
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22:28:54 | Llorean | Has anyone looked at the iPod 5G games to see if they're ARM code or something else (assuming they're not encrypted or otherwise obfuscated)? |
22:29:15 | JavaMan22 | .clear |
22:29:18 | Llorean | I saw one being played on my mother's iPod, and it was sparkly enough that it made me curious if it was running on the PP or the broadcom |
22:29:20 | JavaMan22 | lol wups |
22:29:48 | jhMikeS | if they're encrypted, the data should look completely random. if they're ARM code, they'll have very regular patterns in a hex view. |
22:31:10 | Llorean | Next time I'm in the area, I ought to make a copy of it and investigate I suppose. |
22:31:42 | jhMikeS | one might say ARM code sticks out like a sore thumb :p |
22:31:52 | * | scorche groans |
22:31:54 | Llorean | Is it sad that I actually laughed? |
22:32:20 | jhMikeS | Is it sadder still that /me actually bothered to say it? |
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22:33:25 | krazykit | Llorean, apparently there are decrypted ipod games |
22:34:36 | JavaMan22 | rb->button_status() that gets what button is pressed right? |
22:34:48 | jhMikeS | who provides these games? (wasn't really aware of them until now) |
22:35:09 | linuxstb_ | You buy them via the itunes music store |
22:35:23 | Llorean | The only ones I know of are in the iTunes store |
22:35:31 | jhMikeS | something they're doing to compete with rockbox? ;P |
22:35:48 | | Part JavaMan22 |
22:35:48 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Their first releases were basically a "greatest hits of Rockbox plugins" selection. ::) |
22:35:53 | amiconn | preglow: Is that stuff you took out of iram not used in case of voice? |
22:36:21 | jhMikeS | Llorean: they really should just provide the datasheets and let the experts handle it |
22:36:44 | * | amiconn notices an active jhMikeS :) |
22:36:53 | preglow | amiconn: sure it is, but it doesn't affect performance much |
22:36:59 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Their games are a lot flashier than our versions. Animation all over the place, faked 3D effects, and other stuff |
22:37:00 | jhMikeS | :) /me noticed 3 days of pinging |
22:37:01 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Did you try rockbox on your 3rd gen yet? |
22:37:11 | amiconn | preglow: Is that verified on PP5002? |
22:37:19 | jhMikeS | amiconn: somewhat recently. something new? |
22:37:28 | preglow | amiconn: not in the least |
22:37:36 | preglow | amiconn: but i certainly expect that to be so |
22:37:49 | preglow | it's a quick test |
22:38:17 | * | jhMikeS wonders what's going on with 3rd gen |
22:38:33 | amiconn | jhMikeS: For quite a while now I get random crashing on my 2nd Gen. It depends on the build. First I thought that it might be a hardware problem of my 2nd Gen, but now I'm quite sure it isn't |
22:38:47 | jhMikeS | I thought it was working ok |
22:39:21 | jhMikeS | I checked mine when you had brought up a crashing problem before and I just couldn't crash it. Will try more aggressively this time. |
22:39:32 | * | Bagder jumps |
22:39:32 | amiconn | One build causes all sorts of crashes (data aborts, illegal instructions, panics etc), and then, if something changed in the core, the next build runs perfectly stable |
22:39:41 | Bagder | I got one of the newest m200 firmwares from zefie |
22:39:53 | Bagder | and what does it say inside... ? |
22:39:54 | preglow | ...and? |
22:39:58 | Bagder | AS3525 |
22:40:06 | amiconn | Now I have a suspicion, as I also remember that you increased cache alignment on PP502x |
22:40:15 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: So they've changed from telechips? |
22:40:44 | amiconn | What if that alignment isn't actually necessary because of the cache, but instead covers some out-of-bounds access in the scheduler on PP? |
22:40:48 | jhMikeS | amiconn: that almost sounds like something COP related but COP should never be woken. :\ |
22:40:48 | preglow | as3525? isn't that the audio codec in sansas? |
22:40:54 | Bagder | it seems so, but this is also the chip that resembles the sansa v2 ones, if I didn't read it wrongly |
22:40:59 | bertrik | Zagor: I ran the usb.org compliance verifier against current SVN sansa USB code, I'll upload the results if you're interested |
22:41:05 | Bagder | preglow: no, that's one of AMS'es SoCs |
22:41:12 | Bagder | 3514 is the codec |
22:41:14 | preglow | roit |
22:41:17 | preglow | docs? :/ |
22:41:19 | linuxstb_ | arm9tdmi... |
22:41:23 | Bagder | no docs... |
22:41:24 | amiconn | It almost looks like a stack overflow, but according to the thread debug screen, no stack is overflowing, not even nearly |
22:41:26 | Zagor | bertrik: absolutely |
22:41:27 | preglow | surprise |
22:41:42 | preglow | jhMikeS: oh, btw, done any tihnking on moving playback to the other core? |
22:41:48 | amiconn | I need to be really quick to get there before it crashes. |
22:41:50 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: So I guess we can call that the m200 v2 ? |
22:41:58 | Bagder | yes indeed |
22:42:13 | linuxstb_ | How annoying... They could at least have changed the model numbers... |
22:42:31 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I can say for that there is some cache related alignment needed and the sceduler never accesses anything but the objects and thread structs. |
22:42:32 | Zagor | linuxstb_: you mean like apple? ;) |
22:42:42 | Bagder | and of course, this firmware is encrypted/scrambled... |
22:42:43 | amiconn | *When* the build is unstable, it almost always crashes when the dircache thread finishes scanning if enabled, and *immediately* after the browser or menu appears if dircache is disabled |
22:43:03 | linuxstb_ | Zagor: Apple do change the names. |
22:43:39 | Zagor | is the generation number written anywhere on the players? |
22:43:48 | bertrik | Zagor: results are in http://bertrik.sikken.nl/rockbox/ |
22:44:00 | jhMikeS | preglow: of course, and this MoB stuff provided little assistance...if fact, I'd say it's worse off than before. When I get the gumption, I'll do whatever to it that makes it operate with concurrent access. |
22:44:10 | amiconn | I'm almost sure that there is an out-of-bounds access *somewhere*, just not where. My guess was the scheduler because everything uses it |
22:44:20 | amiconn | ...and that effect didn't exist in summer |
22:44:24 | Llorean | So, what's the deal with Gapless being broken by tags post-MOB? |
22:44:43 | jhMikeS | amiconn: so dircache off makes it ok? |
22:44:48 | amiconn | Nope |
22:45:02 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: From the discussions I've read, I think it's mp3-only, and it's because MOB doesn't strip tags that the pre-MOB code did. |
22:45:04 | amiconn | Dircache off makes it crash *immediately* instead of after the dircache scan |
22:45:21 | Zagor | bertrik: "Get configuration failed"?? |
22:45:29 | Llorean | linuxstb_: Any idea why it doesn't strip them any more? |
22:46:10 | jhMikeS | I'd think oob would crash all PP then. A single core build for 502x doesn't iirc. |
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22:46:34 | bertrik | yeah, weird. The verifier swaps the windows USB stack with a custom test stack, perhaps this stack issues bus resets for each test |
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22:46:54 | jhMikeS | it was made to arbitrarily build as single for debug assistance. |
22:47:10 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: No. But I think Nico_P and Lostlogic are aware of it. |
22:47:18 | Zagor | bertrik: also "Endpoint descriptor raw MaxPacketSize : 40" is strange |
22:47:20 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, PP5002 is a quick check - if that bug that I just described doesn't hit again :\ |
22:48:15 | linuxstb_ | 0x40 ? |
22:48:15 | jhMikeS | amiconn: define *immediately* |
22:48:40 | amiconn | Immediately after the rockbox logo disappears, and the browser or main menu appears (depending on the setting) |
22:49:12 | amiconn | I.e. within the same second |
22:49:14 | jhMikeS | so you'll see the menu then it crashes? |
22:49:18 | amiconn | yep |
22:49:19 | Llorean | Bagder: If they might all be AMS chips, maybe now that we've had a "relationship" with AMS in the past, we can talk them into some sheets without having to send personal representatives since we've shown we aren't going to run off and paste them all over the internets. |
22:49:26 | amiconn | The crash is different all the time |
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22:49:42 | Bagder | Llorean: yes, I agree that it feels like this has a slighter higher chance |
22:49:48 | Llorean | At least, better than PP |
22:50:00 | amiconn | Have seen data aborts in low ram, in IRAM, illegal instructions at non-existing memory addresses, various panics, and simple freezes |
22:50:29 | amiconn | One time I even had panic: <hex number> (don't remember the number exactly) |
22:51:05 | * | jhMikeS will investigate and won't write off having done something completely retarded just yet :p |
22:52:13 | amiconn | The nasty thing about this bug is that it might disappear just by adding some code that should help tracking the bug down |
22:52:47 | preglow | that sounds pretty much like a cache issue |
22:52:54 | jhMikeS | I've had those ones plenty of times. |
22:52:58 | amiconn | If all else fails, I'll probably start trying all svn revisions from August till now, in steps of 10 or so |
22:53:10 | jhMikeS | threading code doesn't give much time to forgive mistakes |
22:53:17 | amiconn | But why would there be cache issues if it's single core so far? |
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22:53:45 | jhMikeS | the cache is disabled on 5002? |
22:53:51 | amiconn | Of course not |
22:54:07 | amiconn | Rockbox would be unusably slow if it were |
22:54:20 | amiconn | Even a broken cache is way better than no cache |
22:54:22 | jhMikeS | hmmm...then it must be flushed before loading things but no maintenence code exists |
22:54:37 | jhMikeS | flush after loading even |
22:54:41 | jhMikeS | and invalidated |
22:55:13 | amiconn | Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, true |
22:55:20 | amiconn | That needs investigation... |
22:55:41 | amiconn | You think that it might be "just" that missing cache handling? |
22:55:47 | jhMikeS | instruction prefetch could prefetch invalid opcodes |
22:56:03 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it usually acts that way when not doing it right |
22:56:07 | bertrik | Zagor: just ran the test again to be sure, but the result is the same |
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22:57:31 | Zagor | bertrik: I don't suppose you can snoop usb while running that test? |
22:58:09 | amiconn | Zagor: What tests are currently done? |
22:58:35 | Zagor | amiconn: it's a usb.org test program. result: http://bertrik.sikken.nl/rockbox/ |
22:58:43 | amiconn | I remember that I found an usb snoop program for windows |
22:59:03 | amiconn | So if that usb test program exists for windows too, it could be snooped... |
22:59:17 | Zagor | amiconn: yeah but iirc it replaces some part of the driver layer, which apparently the test program does too... |
22:59:25 | bertrik | Zagor: I highly doubt it, but I can make a snoop from the normal windows driver |
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23:01:03 | amiconn | preglow: weird... no slowdown from your iram stuff removal commit, even the opposite (very slight speedup) |
23:01:19 | amiconn | On PP5002 that is. 340%->345% |
23:01:22 | Zagor | bertrik: oh, i'm a fool. GET_CONFIGURATION does not refer to "get configuration descriptor", but obviously the GET_CONFIGURATION command which I haven't implemented... |
23:01:33 | amiconn | (wb q4 vbr) |
23:01:40 | Zagor | I'll add it immediately |
23:02:12 | preglow | amiconn: well, weird, but pp often is weird when it comes to iram |
23:02:40 | jhMikeS | amiconn: given that the scheduler is basically a linked list manager, mistakes there would most likely cause rockbox to not boot or die quickly on every target within seconds...if you're lucky. Cleary not happening regardless of core number. |
23:02:43 | amiconn | The speedup might be from the speex sync though |
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23:03:16 | preglow | amiconn: probably |
23:03:54 | bertrik | Zagor: while playing with the stack I got the impression that a control endpoint stall does not work correctly. |
23:03:54 | * | amiconn reverts that one revision to see the net effect of the iram removal |
23:04:12 | bertrik | by the way, your code indeed looks nice and clean |
23:04:22 | preglow | the speex sync should give some speedup thanks to memcpy and memset use |
23:04:27 | Zagor | bertrik: aha, ok. thanks. |
23:04:40 | jmspeex | preglow: did you check the difference in code size? |
23:04:58 | * | jhMikeS had plenty of opportunities to see the results of mistakes is list management |
23:07:32 | jhMikeS | it basically consists of threads ending up abandoned and never running again...never aborts or hard freezes |
23:07:35 | amiconn | preglow: Speed directly before iram removal was 347% |
23:08:03 | amiconn | So there is in fact a very little speed loss from that removal |
23:10:36 | preglow | jmspeex: it was minimal, around -100bytes for arm, +100 bytes for coldfire |
23:11:17 | preglow | amiconn: and after, sans the sync? |
23:11:19 | * | jhMikeS wants to bury his head in the mpegplayer sandbox again to get that more or less done |
23:11:50 | * | amiconn would like to see some PP5002 dualcore work happening |
23:12:00 | Bagder | put in a digested way => http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/11/25/has-sandisk-gone-ams/ |
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23:12:42 | jhMikeS | amiconn: not much to that other than proper cache handling. I think I have to avoid mailbox use on 5002 but that's easy. |
23:13:05 | preglow | jhMikeS: why? |
23:13:07 | amiconn | preglow: I don't know. It went 340% (somewhere last week when I put the filters in iram) -> 347% (speex svn sync) -> 345% (iram removal) |
23:13:26 | preglow | good |
23:13:28 | jhMikeS | preglow: I don't think 5002 has any. :\ |
23:13:39 | preglow | so the mem* usage did its trick |
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23:15:37 | rp- | Bagder: i think the AS3525 was the chip, they(AMS) showed us in some prototype player |
23:15:58 | Bagder | seems likely, yes |
23:16:13 | Bagder | but they do have other SoCs too |
23:16:25 | advcomp2019 | Bagder, how about the sansa clip |
23:16:35 | Bagder | I didn't look at that |
23:16:57 | jhMikeS | so basically it's 1) no swp(b) use (already available via the PP5020 stuff) 2) no mailbox use (no problemo) 3) cache handling (needs some re) |
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23:17:21 | rp- | and in the past at least our contact person was interested in porting rockbox to the that chip |
23:17:26 | amiconn | Zagor: I thing the MaxPacketSize values ate in hex |
23:17:31 | lusk_ | sup |
23:17:32 | amiconn | s/ate/are/ |
23:17:40 | lusk_ | er...hi :) I'm new |
23:17:52 | Bagder | rp-: you think you can contact them and see if there's any chance to get docs for it? |
23:17:53 | lusk_ | just got a sansa e250R yesterday 20 bucks cheaper |
23:18:05 | amiconn | And then 0x40 and 0x200 do make sense |
23:18:15 | Zagor | amiconn: that's what I thought too, but later it says: "Illegal high speed bulk endpoint MaxPacketSize : 40 A High speed Bulk endpoint must have a MaxPacketSize of 0x200." |
23:18:51 | rp- | actually the contact, wanted to contact me, after a business trip to the US, but he never mailed me. |
23:18:57 | amiconn | Yeah, but it tells many values in hex without 0x prefix |
23:19:05 | lusk_ | anyway. I can't get rockbox to work |
23:19:11 | rp- | i will try to contact him and get the docs |
23:19:12 | lusk_ | i read the manual and the forum |
23:19:18 | amiconn | Like "Device Qualifier device class : ff" and "Device qualifier length : a" |
23:19:26 | Zagor | amiconn: ah, indeed |
23:19:34 | advcomp2019 | lusk_, what version have the firmware do you have on it |
23:19:34 | lusk_ | :\ but it did switch to er... e200p? I think or somethign |
23:19:51 | lusk_ | Where would I find that out? |
23:20:05 | amiconn | Also "Interface descriptor bInterfaceProtocol assigned by the USB-IF : 50" That's clearly 0x50 == SCSI |
23:20:17 | advcomp2019 | lusk_, menu then settings then info |
23:20:28 | Zagor | amiconn: yeah, and "Configuration descriptor bmAttributes : 80" |
23:20:44 | lusk_ | 3.01.11A |
23:21:21 | lusk_ | see. i wanted to replace rhapsody. I'm not paying for nothing |
23:21:33 | lusk_ | i payed for my mp3 player isn't that good enough? |
23:21:34 | advcomp2019 | lusk_, you have a v2 |
23:21:42 | lusk_ | :( awww |
23:21:48 | Zagor | maybe I should use control endpoints instead. they look the same for high speed and full speed... |
23:21:51 | lusk_ | I rea don the forum about that. :\ so nothing I can do |
23:22:08 | lusk_ | *read on |
23:22:41 | lusk_ | or seperate instruction :) |
23:23:49 | jhMikeS | product bried states PP5002 supports AC97 + I2S audio codecs...I guess packed samples should be doable there too |
23:24:31 | bertrik | Zagor: yes, the full/high speed stuff is confusing. This afternoon I tried to limit USB to full-speed by filling in a 1.10 version and advertising only 64-byte packets, but somehow the verifier program can still detect that the device actually uses high-speed (maybe the hub tells it) |
23:25:20 | amiconn | Put an USB1.1 hub in between... |
23:25:22 | jhMikeS | hmmm...says it can clock up to 90MHz too |
23:25:27 | lusk_ | well that sucks. so is there anything free that could replace rhapsody? that you guys would know of. that would work on my mp3 player |
23:25:30 | bertrik | My low-level USB experience so far is limited to full-speed devices |
23:25:43 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes it can. We just use 80MHz maximum atm |
23:26:49 | jhMikeS | "Portal Player's extensive systems experience"...lol...wouldn't know it from the results |
23:27:07 | amiconn | hehe :/ |
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23:27:20 | lusk_ | hello? is this thing on |
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23:27:44 | advcomp2019 | lusk_, yea what do you need |
23:27:53 | webguest34 | Hey guys, can anyone help me with a question I have? |
23:28:09 | lusk_ | well. I wanted to know. so it won't work on my v2 e250R? |
23:28:10 | Zagor | bertrik: setting bit 24 in REG_PORTSC1 forces the controller to be full-speed only |
23:28:18 | karashata | webguest34: just ask |
23:28:22 | lusk_ | and if anyone knows of something that wuold. that could replace rhapsody |
23:28:38 | webguest34 | does anyone know of any drivers for rockbox? |
23:28:43 | Llorean | lusk_: No, it won't work. And no, there's not another replacement. |
23:29:10 | bertrik | webguest34: you mean USB drivers? USB has just been added and doesn't fully work yet |
23:29:12 | lusk_ | I hate rhapsody though :( |
23:29:15 | krazykit | webguest34, what do you mean, drivers for rockbox? the players with usb support show up as standard external drives |
23:29:24 | lusk_ | money |
23:29:39 | lusk_ | how do I uninstall it. or did i just like break my mp3 player but doing this |
23:29:42 | Zagor | webguest34: Ignore driver popups from Windows, it's a cludge to enable full-power charging. you still have to reboot to OF for file transfer. |
23:30:03 | webguest34 | because I just installed rockbox on my sansa e250, and now windows is saying that it is a rockbox player and not a sansa player, so it won't install/recognize it as an external drive |
23:30:05 | advcomp2019 | lusk_, uninstall what |
23:30:10 | lusk_ | rockbox |
23:30:11 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Looking at the m200 "v2" firmware, it seems unencrypted to me - there's ARM code at 0x400, plus lots of strings... |
23:30:27 | lusk_ | it changed my players version |
23:30:33 | Bagder | linuxstb_: the 4.1.08 ? |
23:30:35 | lusk_ | to like e200p or something. |
23:30:50 | lusk_ | and now usb only works in manufacture mode. |
23:30:52 | * | jhMikeS gets scared if anyone would think to use PP stuff in life-sustaining equipment |
23:30:53 | webguest34 | it's looking for drivers for a rockbox player, and not a sansa, so it's not letting me do anything with it |
23:31:04 | krazykit | webguest34, unplug your sansa, turn it off, and then plug in the usb cable |
23:31:05 | Zagor | webguest34: read what I just wrote to you |
23:31:09 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Yes. |
23:31:22 | webguest34 | ok |
23:31:40 | Bagder | oh |
23:31:43 | Bagder | I see them too |
23:31:57 | Bagder | you're right, thanks |
23:32:03 | advcomp2019 | lusk_, just delete the files.. plus you do not need to use rhapsody tho.. i could talk to you in a pm but you are not register to freenode |
23:32:24 | lusk_ | i'm registered to the rockbox forum |
23:32:38 | * | jhMikeS thinks up a B-movie script where an old guy that gets a pacemaker using a PP chip and wakes up as a C0EDBABE |
23:32:39 | webguest34 | thanks guys, you have been a big help |
23:32:50 | lusk_ | got msn? |
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23:34:18 | advcomp2019 | lusk_, yea but this is off the topic for this channel |
23:34:48 | lusk_ | >_> wel lthen how do you suggest I continue this convorsation. duh. |
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23:35:15 | lusk_ | its not popping up under my computer. I think i f'd up my mp3 player. that sucks. warrenty doesn't cover something like this |
23:35:35 | preglow | jhMikeS: b-movie porn, by the sound of it |
23:37:05 | bertrik | lusk_: so rockbox works fine, but you can't get back to the original firmware? |
23:37:18 | lusk_ | turns out i have a v2 |
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23:38:09 | advcomp2019 | lusk_, you can join into #anythingbutipod if you want to talk more |
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23:38:38 | bertrik | Zagor: I'll run the test again and let you know |
23:38:45 | Zagor | good |
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23:39:04 | jhMikeS | preglow: ah, yes...let us keep developing the screenplay, produce it and make it the new test flick. |
23:40:18 | lusk_ | i got disconnected or soemthing. anyway I have a v2. and manually installed that first file thing. changed it to e200P or something. |
23:40:54 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: The m200 firmware is also padded up to exactly 5MB with dead beef... ;) |
23:41:05 | Bagder | haha |
23:41:16 | advcomp2019 | lusk_, no but you can join into #anythingbutipod or #rockbox-community if you want to talk more |
23:41:52 | lusk_ | well. this is still a talk about technical stuff |
23:41:57 | lusk_ | because now I want to uninstall it |
23:42:16 | * | preglow sees polish notation |
23:42:17 | Bagder | lusk_: how did you install anything if it is a v2? |
23:42:23 | lusk_ | i dunno |
23:42:33 | PaulJam | lusk_: "that first file thing" <- if you expect help maybe it would help if you describe more accureate what exactly you did to get your player in that state. |
23:42:35 | lusk_ | I don't even know if it is v2 |
23:42:36 | Bagder | lusk_: you don't know how you installed? |
23:42:51 | Bagder | lusk_: does it say v2 on the back? |
23:42:51 | lusk_ | Well I right clicked -> manual install |
23:43:12 | Bagder | right clicked on what? |
23:43:27 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: There's another ams reference (in utf-16) at 0x37170 - austrianmicrosystems AS3525/27 Demo Player |
23:43:57 | advcomp2019 | Bagder, he has sansa firmware 3.01.11A |
23:44:12 | Zagor | linuxstb_: heh, not much question then |
23:44:43 | jhMikeS | we have another port coming this week? |
23:45:17 | Bagder | they seem to use a lib called emcpp |
23:46:20 | bertrik | Zagor: test result for 15797 uploaded |
23:46:25 | Bagder | by emsys.de |
23:46:47 | rp- | if i remember correctly AMS said, they buyed some OS from some german company for their prototype player |
23:47:30 | Bagder | the emcpp is more of a set of libs, not a full OS. At least by the look of their site |
23:47:43 | Zagor | bertrik: odd how the two first tests now swapped failed/passed status... |
23:48:06 | Bagder | jhMikeS: well, there's still a lack of info (and docs of course)... |
23:48:34 | bertrik | Can you detect an USB reset? I think you should reset the configuration state in that case as well |
23:48:42 | amiconn | Zagor: Won't that size change break compatibility to usb1.1 hosts? |
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23:49:11 | advcomp2019 | Bagder, have you looked at the clip.. is it the same way |
23:49:16 | sp_chimp | trillian messed uop sorry |
23:49:19 | sp_chimp | sp- |
23:49:30 | sp_chimp | O.o well i'm lusk. was I being banned? |
23:49:47 | krazykit | no... |
23:50:00 | sp_chimp | ok lol. good. I don't think I did anything wrong |
23:50:01 | Zagor | amiconn: yes, but technically it doesn't matter since we don't exchange any data. we were in violation of the 2.0 spec with 64, so it's "pick your poison" :) |
23:50:26 | Zagor | I'll implement the proper handling soon |
23:50:27 | Bagder | advcomp2019: seen any pics of its internals or a firmware upgrade file for it? |
23:50:35 | sp_chimp | But. anyway. I manualy installed the driver. by right click on the .inf |
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23:50:40 | amiconn | ah |
23:50:42 | bertrik | minor nitpick: you CAN have 64 byte packets with USB2.0, just not at high speed as far as I understand |
23:50:55 | sp_chimp | and it turned my mp3 player into a E200P instead of E250R. |
23:51:07 | jhMikeS | e200p? |
23:51:13 | PaulJam | sp_chimp: so the issue is on the PC side? |
23:51:18 | Zagor | bertrik: ah, right. I keep using the wrong words |
23:51:25 | sp_chimp | I don't really know |
23:51:34 | sp_chimp | i got that lisb thing. I read somewhere on the forums about that |
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23:52:07 | sp_chimp | its never once asked me for drivers. hence the manual install. also does it look any different when in manufacture mode? |
23:52:19 | advcomp2019 | Bagder, here is some clip info.. http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2007/11/sandisk-sansa-clip-disassembled.php |
23:52:34 | * | jhMikeS never needed any drivers other than the MM driver on XP |
23:53:35 | sp_chimp | i've tried that e200rpatcher several times. its never found it |
23:53:45 | Bagder | advcomp2019: yes, it certainly looks very similar so it could certainly be of the same kind |
23:53:48 | Zagor | bertrik: do you have any idea what "Devices must support being set to Addressed/Configured state" means? how does the host set my state? |
23:53:53 | sp_chimp | so i think I screwed up on the first step by manualing install |
23:54:25 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Also, there seems to be no differences between the A and E firmwares - apart from some time strings in the firmwares, and an "A" vs "E" in the header - the E firmware was compiled 14 minutes after the A firmware... |
23:54:39 | Bagder | haha |
23:54:40 | * | jhMikeS did manual install using sansapatcher + MM drivers only on e200r. shouldn't give any trouble. |
23:54:52 | Zagor | bertrik: hmm "device deconfigured" the state diagram says. set_configuration(0) ? |
23:55:05 | sp_chimp | so get this sansapatcher your saying |
23:55:27 | jhMikeS | sp_chimp: follow the Wiki direction to the letter and it should work smoothly |
23:55:33 | sp_chimp | did I screw up by doing it the way I did. with right click -> install on the .inf |
23:55:40 | Zagor | bertrik: ah, that's it. "If the configuration value is zero, the device is placed in its Address state." reading the docs help sometimes :) |
23:55:42 | PaulJam | sp_chimp: have you tried to uninstall the driver in the device manager on your pc? does your sansa work on a different pc? to me it sounds like you didn't actually modified anything on the sansa itself. |
23:55:49 | bertrik | addressed state is just after host sent set_address I think |
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23:56:16 | jhMikeS | windows will ask for the driver once in MM |
23:56:42 | sp_chimp | pauljam: well it change the name to E200P. and for some odd reason it must be in manufacture mode to even like pop up in my computer |
23:56:52 | Zagor | bertrik: yeah but I was confused by the "backwards" state-setting |
23:56:57 | sp_chimp | I can plug it in usb. but it doesn't show anything on the computer |
23:57:00 | bertrik | Zagor: the test suite is a bit harder on the device than windows i think, so it tests more cases than you would normally see. |
23:57:25 | sp_chimp | Ooooh wait a second here. fine print I see the v2 :\ |
23:57:32 | sp_chimp | well now its a matter of uninstalling |
23:57:36 | Zagor | bertrik: yeah, but that's good. different OSes have different quirks, and this is a much better way to test than trying different OSes |
23:57:44 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: I assume you mean "e200rpatcher", not "sansapatcher" if you used the MM drivers? |
23:57:49 | jhMikeS | sp_chimp: plug it with hold on+select held |
23:57:52 | bertrik | Zagor: funny thing is that many of my bought USB devices don't even pass the test. |
23:58:05 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: yes :) |
23:58:19 | Zagor | bertrik: yeah that's a common curse among the linux usb team. lots of devices are written/tested for windows only. |
23:58:24 | bertrik | (the original firmware did pass all chapter 9 tests, to my surprise :) ) |
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23:58:41 | sp_chimp | well nvm then if its v2 |
23:58:59 | sp_chimp | how do I uninstall. like where did the files go to? |