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#rockbox log for 2007-11-24

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00:00:46bobrulesso basically I preserve aspect ratio
00:01:24darkredflameI'm thinking of making a theme for rockbox but i would do horrible when it comes to coding it
00:02:35nanokbobrules: darkredflame would you please consider moving this to #rockbox-community
00:03:10darkredflameMight as well.
00:03:15darkredflameSee you guys later
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00:13:51bobruleswhy are there no ops in here?
00:14:38scorche|wto conform to freenode's policy
00:14:49scorche|wwith services, people can simply op up when needed
00:15:32nanokscorche|w: rarely, hopefully. but sometimes it comes so close...
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00:24:02*scorche|w sighs
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00:30:20turbotorbeni'm trying to install rockbox on my nano 1st gen on osx. i've applyed the partition table, erased the drive using fat32 and unmounted it in diskutility. but neither automatic nor manual installation works. in manual i can copy over the rockbox firmware and fonts, but the ipotdispatcher denys its job: [ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting.
00:31:05turbotorbeni got the same error when i first tried it with the automatic install
00:31:46turbotorbencan any1 help me here?
00:32:23nanokturbotorben: probably, but have some patience ;)
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00:33:25linuxstbturbotorben: Sounds like you deleted the Apple firmware from the firmware partition. Try restoring with itunes, and then try the conversion again.
00:33:38turbotorbenalright, i'll try some elevator music for that task
00:34:22turbotorbenlinuxstb: i just restored it before i went on with the installation
00:35:57nanokturbotorben: the rb doesn't replace the ipod original firmware, it just coexists with it, as "dual boot", if i am not mistaking
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00:52:22harry_Could any one tell me how the .t files work in the rockbox site? To me they look like a mix between C and HTML
00:54:07Bagderthey're simply preprocessed html files
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01:15:05PhalangeesHello everyone. Where would I look if I wanted to change button functions in a menu?
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01:17:41PaulJam_Phalangees: you'd have to change the sourcecode and compile your own build. see here for further info:
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01:18:35PhalangeesPaulJam_: I meant what file. :p
01:19:51PaulJam_maybe somthing in apps/menus/ or apps/keymaps/
01:19:52Soap_look in the SVN history at Llorean's last commits, they were keymap changes and will point you in the right direction on all fronts.
01:20:16PhalangeesOk. Thanks for the help.
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01:23:34harry_Phalangees: There are different files for different menus
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01:24:19harry_also, a transition is under way for menus to go to apps/menus
01:24:47harry_but the main menu is called root_menu.c in apps/ I think
01:25:17turbotorbenphew, now it works
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01:26:11harry_What works?
01:26:53turbotorbenrockbox on my nano
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01:28:32harry_Do you have to get the patch for the nano?
01:29:11harry_I did for my iPod video.
01:30:40webguest40patch 7704 needs resync
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01:33:17harry_Can a readme be put into for the iPod video saying to get the patch?
01:33:33harry_or maybe ssstick the patch in there
01:33:46webguest40patch 7704 is out of sync.
01:34:17harry_Can you please explain?
01:34:32harry_because it works fine on my ipod video
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01:35:29PaulJam_harry_: what patch are you talking about?
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01:36:55harry_You have to read all the way through the manual carefully to find out that you are meant to install it
01:36:59PaulJam_isn't this progam mentioned in the installation instructions in the manual?
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01:37:19linuxstbYou don't have to use ipodpatcher - rbutil will do the same thing.
01:38:24harry_People have trouble installing rockbox on their iPod videos.
01:39:45harry_The people I'm referring to are not the most brilliant computer users
01:40:01harry_But I think that rockbox should be easy for everyone to install
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01:43:17PaulJam_harry_: do you really think the installation would become easyer for them if the ipodpatcher executable would be in the i think especially people who arn't good at computer stff should read the installation instructions carefully
01:43:47harry_But if there was a readme there aswell
01:43:52HarryTubut its one less file to download
01:44:13HarryTuAnd somebody please sync 7704
01:45:04PaulJam_HarryTu: maybe add a comment to the task.
01:46:21HarryTuI already did; I am bookshare; I wanted to give you all a heads up
01:46:36jhMikeSamiconn: looking in the logs I see you pinged me a couple times? thanksgiving holiday had me preoccupied.
01:49:51harry_What's patch 7704 for?
01:51:08harry_never mind I found it
01:53:36harry_Sorry, I'm new to this stuff, what do you mean by resync?
01:53:52harry_Do you mean that it needs to be rewritten for new players?
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01:59:22scorchehrm...i wonder if it would be worth it to try to get these guys to release a non ttf font for our vision impaired users:
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02:05:49roxfan[zzz]scorche: i beleive you can use rasterized bitmaps freely
02:10:36scorcheroxfan[zzz]: it says on the page that they are under the GPL...the issue is that they are ttf fonts
02:13:31advcomp2019who want to see the insides have the e200v2s.. someone has opened one
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02:20:33GuerinLlorean: hey, the old x5l batteries get 29:57:00 on battery_bench with the current build
02:21:10Guerinwhich is tolerably close to the advertised 35 hours, given that I bought the thing in 2004 and it's been sitting idle since early 2006.
02:22:41harry_Who wants to buy me an iPod touch so I can test rockbox on it? ;)
02:23:00scorchehuh?...rockbox doesnt work ont he touch
02:23:34harry_I didn't think so... I just want an iPod touch
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02:25:44harry_Is there a reason for having a tiny font as the default?
02:26:01DraXGuerin: yeah the long battery life is quite nice
02:26:11DraXGuerin: especially considering how much better rockbox is to the default firmware
02:27:15roxfan[zzz]have anyone tried dumping rio karma flash rom?
02:27:56GuerinDraX: the first rockbox build I tried has terribly battery life
02:28:10Guerinlike ... 1-4 hours or so
02:28:12Guerinon the same unit]\
02:28:40Guerinman, I can't type today
02:28:42scorcheand how long does the battery last on the OF on that device?
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02:29:26Guerinscorche: no reliable benchmark, and I've only just resurrected it. But it did get around 30h when I last used it with the OF in early 2006
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02:29:56Guerinli-ion batteries degrade with time, espectially when left at dead empty for a year or two
02:30:00harry_:/ my ipod is dead
02:30:05Guerinso I'm quite pleased with 30h nowadays
02:30:07harry_it just died...
02:30:32scorcheharry_: define dead
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02:30:56*akuma how often does the current build get updated
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02:31:11scorchetypically around 5-7 times a day
02:31:17scorcheit varies
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02:31:38akumaah k...
02:32:14Guerinoh, that frequently
02:32:40scorcheyou can see yourself by looking at the build page
02:32:41akumawhere can i see the changes that have been made?
02:32:46scorchethe commit log
02:33:01Guerini gotta say
02:33:11Guerinrockbox is one of the bestest free software projects ever
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02:33:20bobruleshey guys
02:33:36bobrulesis there a smaller unifont?
02:33:42bobrulesthe unifont is too big for my theme
02:33:50scorcheso choose a different font
02:34:02bobrulesthen it won't show chinese
02:34:17harry_Oh good, my iPod came back from the dead.
02:34:17scorchethere are multiple fonts that support unicode
02:34:59harry_Why does it take so long to start ipod firmware after using rockbox?
02:35:24scorchethat is how long it takes to start up the OF...rockbox doesnt change that at all
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02:35:54scorchewhat you are likely seeing as a longer time, is you are watching it start up and not simply resume from sleep mode
02:36:09bobrulesanyone know a smaller font that shows unifont?
02:36:27harry_No, when I reset my iPod without rockbox, it usually does it pretty quickly
02:36:34harry_I'm not completely stupid
02:36:44pixelmabobrules: there is a page in the wiki that lists fonts that contain unicode characters and which called UnicodeFonts
02:36:51harry_I can tell the difference between sleeping and off
02:37:29pixelmahmm... chinese doesn't seem part of it
02:40:01harry_Could I do an svn checkout of trunk?
02:40:26bobrulesonly unifont shows chinse
02:40:36bobrulescan I somehow shrink unifont?
02:42:23harry_what's the URL of the trunk repository?
02:42:34harry_ isn't it
02:43:12pixelmabobrules: there is one more in the tracker could be a bit smaller since it is an addition to nimbus-14 but I've never seen it
02:43:33scorcheharry_: no..that is the url for viewvc
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02:49:43HarryTuSeriously. Can someone help me sync 7704?
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02:52:18harry_what does sync mean!?
02:53:22HarryTuIt means to make a patch apply to svn. Usually you sync patches if something in svn has made them incompatible with newer revisions.
02:54:17HarryTuBy the way, Harry, only programmers can sync patches.
02:54:31scorchenot necessarily..
02:54:51HarryTuWhat do you mean?
02:54:58harry_k I get it
02:55:18scorchemany people sync patches who would really classify as "programmers"
02:55:41HarryTuThat's what I said.
02:55:50harry_you mean people who have access to the svn
02:55:54scorchesorry...i meant "wouldnt"
02:56:02scorcheand no i dont
02:56:03harry_not necessarily people who can program
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02:58:08HarryTuAnd no, people that cannot post to svn can sync patches too, but they make new patches. Come to think of it, when it comes to syncing, it makes no difference if you can post to svn or not.
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03:38:12Mouser_XI know this has been answered before, but I want to be sure that I was paying attention. The "auto-install" method for installing Rockbox on the e200 isn't working, correct?
03:38:49Mouser_X(THus far, RButil has been stuck at 0% or less, and is taking 99% of the CPU.)
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04:02:47krazykitMouser_X, it seems to be hit and miss, really.
04:03:02countrymonkeyGood; I'm connected
04:03:25Mouser_Xkrazykit: Ah. I seem to be one of the "miss" then.
04:03:59countrymonkeyCan sombody sync 7704 and 7762? Both patches are out of sync
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04:29:36countrymonkeyHow do you sync a patch?
04:34:41krazykityou apply it, then it tells you which files it failed on
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04:35:04krazykitoh well
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05:20:21webguest08how long would you say the ipod video 80gig will last beore the hd dies
05:20:37scorchethat depends on many many things
05:21:04Guerin|<−−−−this long−−−−−−->|
05:21:08Guerin(not to scale)
05:21:20webguest08dont they only last an average of one year
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05:21:39Guerinthe thing about music player hard drives is that they're a standard part - the same as you get in some laptops and such
05:21:41scorcheit depends on too many things to tell
05:21:53Guerinit all comes down to how the player uses them, and how harshly you treat them
05:22:00scorcheGuerin: a bit less standard than those...
05:22:22Guerinscorche: depends on the part, but I realise 1.8s aren't quite the norm in laptops.
05:22:34advcomp2019webguest08, i had a hard drive based player that lasted about two year
05:23:05LloreanMy iriver h120, which I've had since about when it came out, still has a well working HD.
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05:23:26Guerini've been using the hdd in my iaudio x5L on a daily basis since I bought it in 2004 - both in the player itself and in a 1.8" hdd enclosure
05:23:28LloreanAnd it's the same line of HDs as are used in iPods, so it shows if you treat it well, they can last.
05:23:33webguest08ive read the pdf but i still dont get it, do you have to have the base wad file to play idoom or will it run with out it?
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05:25:17Soap_you need a base wad
05:25:17Mouser_XYou can't play iDoom with Rockbox.
05:26:10webguest08ive played it on rockbox before
05:26:29Mouser_XYou might have played Doom, but *not* iDoom.
05:26:33psycho_maniacyou have played DOOM not "I"DOOM
05:26:35Soap_Mouser_X is splitting hairs
05:27:06LloreanSoap_: That being said, he could've honestly been asking about iDoom and not Rockbox's Doom port.
05:27:27LloreanThere are plenty of people who seem to think we are iPodlinux as well
05:27:29Mouser_XIt certainly wouldn't be the first time.
05:27:58Soap_yes - I agree 100% with both of you.
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05:28:32Soap_But I still feel it is a fault to assume the questioner is mistaken, not simply misspoken.
05:29:03webguest08i just installed the rockbox bootloader onto my ippod and installed all the packaged but it isnt loading rockbox in when i reset it it keeps loading the regular ipod stuff in.whats wrong with it?
05:29:29webguest08its happened to me many times before
05:29:38Soap_unless you have the hold button switched to the on (red) position, it sounds like you /don't/ have the bootloader installed properly.
05:30:30webguest08i already know that it runs as a dual boot system but shouldnt the rockbox utility install it for me when i tell it to
05:31:25Soap_yes and yes, but the evidence strongly suggests the Rockbox bootloader is not on your iPod.
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05:35:25webguest08is there a way to install the bootloader other than on the utility
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05:46:34webguest08ok i got to rockdoom and was in the game but it frose is that what the wad. file is for?
05:48:02Mouser_XIf it froze, try keeping it warmer? It is winter after all. :P
05:49:29webguest08gee thanks for the advice
05:49:43Mouser_XReally though, the WAD is the data file from which the game pulls all of the models, pictures, sounds, etc. A bad WAD could cause crashing/freezing, but it shouldn't, as long as you make sure you have a WAD compatible to the version of DOOM you're running (the DOOM wiki page tells you what version to look for, when getting WAD files).
05:50:06hasmindI recently got freeDoom, and it worked fine
05:50:21hasmindhow long did you play before it froze?
05:50:42hasmindfreeDoom is open source doom. It's what rockbox uses
05:50:58webguest08it froze as soon as the game started
05:51:01hasmindso how long did you play?
05:51:10webguest08i didnt get to play
05:51:24webguest08basicly the controlls were locked
05:51:28Mouser_XSounds like a bad WAD then. Which one were you trying to run?
05:51:32webguest08so i couldnt move
05:51:47Mouser_XYou have an iPod, right?
05:51:48webguest08the one from this website
05:52:02webguest08ya ipod video 80 gig 5.5g
05:52:37Mouser_XDid you double check the controls in use, to make sure you were using the right ones? I haven't used RockDOOM in months, so I don't remember, but I thought it gave you the option to set your own controls.
05:52:59hasmindthere are two .WADs
05:53:18hasmind and
05:53:45hasmind*sigh* rockbox's site is so unorganised
05:53:55Mouser_XVery true.
05:54:27webguest08when i installe drockbox it had both of those wad files in it already
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05:54:56hasmindwhat page did you go to?
05:55:13hasmindRockboxExtras#Doom? or /Main/PluginDoom
05:55:56webguest08well i got the rockbox utility and i used it to install the rockdoom game
05:56:02webguest08so niether
05:57:22webguest08i downlaoded freedoom to my computer is that the same thing ? do i just erase the doom folder on my ipod and replace it with the free doom one
05:59:53webguest08oh then how would you do it?
05:59:56Mouser_XRockDOOM has been programed to work on the iPod. FreeDOOM has been programmed ot work on the PC.
06:00:41Mouser_XIf you attempted to put FreeDOOM on your iPod, it would only waste space. It's completely useless, when put on an OS that it was *never* meant to run on.
06:01:00Mouser_X(Unless there's emulation involved, but that's not relevent here).
06:01:37hasmindthere is freeDoom for ipods though
06:01:39hasmindI had it
06:01:57hasmindwhen you start the game it had a freeDoom splash
06:02:06webguest08can anyone help me to put rockdoom on my ipod ?
06:02:28Mouser_XI don't play DOOM, in Rockbox, on the PC, free, or otherwise. However, my guess is that you'd take the WAD files (the format is the same) from the PC version, and put them on your iPod, where they're supposed to go for RockDOOM.
06:02:53hasmindthat worked for me I think
06:04:41hasminddoes shutdown() imediately shutdown rockbox?
06:04:51Mouser_XThe game i'd like to see in Rockbox, that's based on the DOOM engine, is Sonic Robo Blast 2. However, it's not open source, so I doubt that's going to happen...
06:05:24Mouser_X(But, considering that DOOM runs, I would suspect that SRB2 could run as well.)
06:06:39webguest08k i replaced the two wad files with the ones suggested to me and it still freezes
06:07:07webguest08are there any other games for the ipod that are in the same leage as doom
06:07:23Mouser_XRockboy? The Gameboy emulator?
06:07:45Mouser_X(I consider it much more useful than DOOM, personally.)
06:08:34webguest08but what games can u play with rockboy. like how do you get them?
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06:09:05*Guerin fails to see why people would wear out the buttons on their music player with games
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06:09:53Mouser_Xwebguest08: See the Wiki on Rockboy. As for how to get the games, I can't tell you.
06:10:03Mouser_X(Copyright reasons)
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06:13:31hasmindeasiest way to play gameboy games
06:13:41hasmindis to buy a gameboy from ebay for $5
06:14:05hasmindand doom on an ipod really isn't great in my oppinion
06:14:07Mouser_XHeh. I'd have to disagree though.
06:14:12hasmindnot worth the space it takes
06:14:35hasmindIt's amazingly done, whoever got it to work
06:14:36Mouser_XThe easiest way to play Gameboy games, is to use the Gameboy (or GBA SP) that I already have.
06:15:08hasmindyeah... that too. still have a gameboy? :/
06:15:40*scorche coughs
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06:18:50hasminddoes shutdown() imediately shutdown rockbox?
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06:59:03safetydanIf someone with an iPod Video could try and see if FS #7440 is now working correctly that would be awesome.
07:00:37psycho_maniachow long you gonna be around?
07:02:10psycho_maniacWOAH! what the heck. my computer just said it found "rockbox media player"
07:02:35Soapsee the commit message
07:02:49Soaplast commit
07:02:53Soapon the front page still
07:02:57Mouser_Xpsycho_maniac: Is that from your Sansa? Or your iPod?
07:03:13Soapoops, not the commit message - the "Project news" on front page
07:03:24safetydanpsycho_maniac, I'll read the logs
07:04:18psycho_maniaci can test that patch for you but it takes me awhile to compile
07:04:41Mouser_Xpsycho_maniac: How long? It takes me more than 1.5 hours on my laptop.
07:04:46psycho_maniaci wasnt saying it was a problem. it just seemed cool.
07:04:59psycho_maniacwow it takes me like maybe 30 mins im not sure. ill keep track this time.
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07:05:53LloreanMouser_X: It takes you an hour and a half to build a Rockbox build?
07:07:27Mouser_XLlorean: At least. It's a 333 or so CPU.
07:07:35Mouser_XUsing cygwin.
07:08:18psycho_maniacsometimes mine takes a lot longer because my computer for no reason is useing a lot of cpu
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07:17:09psycho_maniacwow that was fast 10 mins
07:17:54psycho_maniacAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH i did make && make clean again :(
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07:23:32ED_209do any of you guys have an iriver h300?
07:25:07ED_209I'm wondering if there is a plugin that exists which can pitch shift the microphone
07:25:16ED_209and then output it to the line out
07:26:47ED_209as in, realtime pitch shifting, or some kind of voice modulator.. using the mic
07:27:37ED_209do you know of anything which could do that?
07:27:52Mouser_XNothing I can think of.
07:28:03ED_209what kind of time are people usually here?
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07:28:31ED_209I'm in new zealand
07:28:32*Mouser_X is in the US, but is about to go to bed.
07:28:37ED_209like.. 4 hours before now?
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07:28:45psycho_maniacMouser_X: it takes me about 10 mins to compile
07:28:45LloreanED_209: Any such plugin would either be included, or you'd need to search the patch tracker. Since it's not in the manual, then searching is what you need
07:28:45ED_209earlier than now? later?
07:29:05ED_209what's the patch tracker Llorean ?
07:29:24LloreanED_209: The "patches" link on the main site
07:31:04ED_209I'll try
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07:35:21psycho_maniacsafetydan: what do you want me to test like what settings should i try and what would i expect to happen?
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07:46:37psycho_maniacsafetydan: seems to be working for me
07:52:56amiconnjhMikeS: around now?
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08:08:40safetydanpsycho_maniac, you should check that the bass and treble settings actually do something. And that the cutoff settings also do something. Also make sure the settings persist between reboots and going in and out of the menus.
08:09:34safetydanbut the fact that it compiles and doesn't break anything is a start :)
08:09:59amiconnsafetydan: Ah, did you update your patch?
08:10:04*amiconn could test too
08:11:01safetydanamiconn, yup, if you could test that would be excellent
08:11:16amiconnCould you remind me of the fs#?
08:11:57amiconnNm, found it
08:14:41psycho_maniaci take it that in the cutoff menu 1 means more and 4 means less?
08:15:40Lloreansafetydan: If it's four options, "Lowest, Low, Medium, High" might be better?
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08:16:46safetydanLlorean, not quite sure how to do that in the sound settings framework, but yes that would make more sense
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08:18:06safetydanhrm, do we really need to go to low latency mode when setting hardware bass and treble?
08:18:10psycho_maniacsafetydan: seems to be working correctly. i change settings and cancle and they go back to the saved set settings. settings save when i reboot also.
08:18:30safetydanpsycho_maniac, sounds good. thanks for the test
08:18:45Lloreansafetydan: I can't imagine that we would need to.
08:19:17psycho_maniacbeen using my gigabeat all day and it and it actually sounds good on the ipod now
08:21:06ED_209do any of you guys have an iriver h340?
08:23:46ED_209or h3XX
08:24:15ED_209how do you choose which recent build is best?
08:24:31ED_209I don't know what those scores on the side mean
08:26:35safetydanED_209, always choose the most recent. The scores are more a bit of fun for the developers.
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08:47:41amiconnsafetydan: Looks like its working properly here as well. I'd say it's ready for commit...
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08:49:25safetydanamiconn, excellent. Thanks for the test.
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09:01:10*amiconn wonders about the delta...
09:01:18safetydandarn it, the build servers look broken
09:01:33safetydanamiconn, there's probably a few more bytes to squeeze out as I forgot to deprecate the old lang strings
09:02:06amiconnEh? What does look broken about them?
09:02:27amiconnAnd I mean the red delta for nearly all other targets
09:02:46amiconnAh, I know
09:02:49safetydanamiconn, oh, the build looked stuck here. Had to close and reopen the build page
09:03:23amiconnYou added the language string for all targets instead of just those which have adjustable cutoffs...
09:03:49safetydanbah, you're right
09:04:02amiconnWe need a new feature in features.txt, and make those 2 strings depend on that
09:04:44amiconnOr make the strings depend on ipod video for now
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09:04:52amiconn(that'd be the quick solution)
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09:13:26hamdiyai have a question regarding boot loaders
09:13:33hamdiyahow can i get access to the ROM in my mp3 player
09:13:37hamdiyaits an aldipod
09:13:47hamdiyai want to edit the boot loader
09:15:18markunhamdiya: what do you want to change?
09:15:53markunand are you planning to port rockbox to it?
09:18:45socksoffi have a question concerning the tv option for ipod video. does anyone know how to tag files which aren't purchased thru iTunes to appear under the tv category in the ipod video?
09:19:02Lloreansocksoff: This is #rockbox, it's for things related to Rockbox
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09:19:41safetydancor, texlive install is huge... not sure i have the space to install it and test my manual changes
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09:21:29socksoffLlorean: I'm sorry for asking a question that does not relate to this channel or the dialogue accepted here.
09:21:33hamdiyai wold really like to port rockbox to it, but im not a C programmer
09:21:56hamdiyaim slowly learning about the process
09:22:12hamdiyai figured i need to edit the bootloader so i can play with the firmware
09:22:32hamdiyahow can i get hold of the BL?
09:24:27Lloreanhamdiya: It really depends a lot on how the player was designed. Figuring out how to replace the BL (or even if you need to) is a step that you have to perform
09:24:49markunafaik the aldipods are portalplayer based
09:25:12Lloreanmarkun: And we've seen portalplayers where we do and don't need to replace the bootloader.
09:26:12hamdiyayes they are portal based
09:26:16hamdiyauses the PP5020 chip
09:27:13hamdiyawhen i tried to edit the firmware using a hex editor (just trying to change some strings), the player gave a 'bad image' error
09:27:17hamdiyai thought maybe the BL has something to do with that
09:30:55markunhamdiya: Did you use any of these tools?
09:31:33hamdiyai used mi4code to decrypt the firmware
09:31:43hamdiyaother than that no
09:33:24markundon't you need to encrypt it again after editing? (not sure if you do)
09:34:53hamdiyaon my first attempts for test purposes, i edited the encrypted fw (using a hex editor) by replacing just 1 character and when i loaded it back to the player, it gave the bad image error
09:36:00hamdiyabut how do peopel usually get hold of the BL file?
09:38:28markunI think the bl file is only needed to extract the decryption key, but we have that already for the aldipod
09:39:02markunnot sure where they get the bl files. Maybe it's on the player or included with the firmware sometimes.
09:39:52LloreanI think most of them were found included with firmware updates
09:40:11markunbut I'll shut up now and wait for someone who know something about mi4 firmwares to talk to you.
09:40:20hamdiyain the mi4 file itself?
09:40:20LloreanIn the case of the Sansa e200R we had to modify the bootloader, but on the H10 and normal e200 we did not, afaik.
09:40:30LloreanNo, it's a separate file from the MI4, usually
09:41:32hamdiyawhen i downloaded the update for my aldipod
09:41:45hamdiyathere was only the .exe updater and the fw file itself
09:42:02hamdiyadoes that signify that i dont need to change the BL?
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09:45:07markunhamdiya: afaik we've never changed a BL file, so I assume you don't need to either.
09:45:19*markun goes back to shutting up :)
09:45:53ED_209hey is there still an h300 optimised build?
09:45:58hamdiyaout of curiosity, is it POSSIBLE that i can find a current build that will work on my player?
09:47:08ED_209I dunno if this is a rockbox question but how do I clear the "recycler" directory on my iriver
09:47:17ED_209I deleted a bunch of stuff and it went into the recycler
09:47:31ED_209but I can't un-hide that directory
09:47:51Lloreanmarkun: As I said, we had to modify the bl for the e200R
09:48:04hamdiyaED_209, i think if you empty the recycle bin it will erase the contents of the recycler directory
09:48:34Lloreanhamdiya: For a build to work on the players, all the hardware needs to be the exact hardware the build is expecting. So, not really
09:48:55LloreanED_209: Rockbox shows hidden files if file view is set to "All"
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09:49:57amiconnED_209: You can also use the disktidy plugin to remove the recycler dir, plus "System volume information" and some other garbage
09:50:06hamdiyaare the drivers of the player located in the fw file itself?
09:50:08hamdiyaor on the BL?
09:50:28hamdiyai ask cause the LCD driver should be ont he BL right?
09:50:48AKwhat about the header file?
09:52:20AKI'd like to help.
09:52:45Lloreanhamdiya: Why does it matter?
09:53:59hamdiyaif the drivers are on the fw, perhaps i can just copy them to anohter rockbox build that is similar (provided i find one)
09:54:15LloreanIt doesn't really work that way.
09:54:15amiconnYou cannot "just copy" drivers
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09:54:47amiconnYou need to find out how the hardware is controlled, then write a rockbox driver for it
09:54:57Lloreanhamdiya: Porting Rockbox to a player is a lot of work. You're pretty much just going to have to accept that.
09:55:10amiconnSince we already support several PP targets, you often don't need to write drivers from scratch
09:55:39hamdiyaim begining to relise that
09:55:51hamdiyaguess ill just w8 for someone to port it
09:55:59AKMissoula, MT
09:57:44amiconnhamdiya: It won't magically happen. It requires someone who has the actual device, is willing to do the port, and does have enough knowledge to do it.
09:57:50amiconnWithout that, it will never happen
09:58:25hamdiyai got the first 2 but not the last
09:58:34hamdiyawas really hoping to get it
09:58:46hamdiyathe fw on the aldipod can use alot of imporvments
09:59:18AKif you want, I can host a voice server for you.....
10:00:21hamdiyawhat's a voice server?
10:00:28hamdiyato talk with other people?
10:00:39AKJust wanna help
10:00:55AKI use rockbox, and it's great.
10:01:24hamdiyareally appreciate any help
10:01:45hamdiyabut i think it'll be too difficult
10:02:10AKNo, just get the client and enter the IP and thats it
10:02:50hamdiyanot the connection
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10:03:31hamdiyathe actuall process
10:04:06hamdiyaamiconn, you said there are already PP targets supported
10:04:53hamdiyawill i find them in the rockbox port
10:05:32safetydanhamdiya, you might want to do some more reading. Start here
10:07:28hamdiyaseen that page
10:07:35hamdiyasaw there is alot of work involved that i cannot do
10:07:41pixelmasafetydan: LANG_EQUALIZER_HARDWARE_ENABLED really isn't needed anymore, right? I'm asking because you only emptied the strings but didn't mark it as deprecated - changed that already here ÷ocally (in english.lang and deutsch.lang) - about to commit....
10:07:47hamdiyai thoguth perhaps i can just modify an existing build
10:08:48scorcheif it was that easy, dont you think we would have a ton of other devices supported? ;)
10:09:23hamdiyagood point :)
10:09:39safetydanpixelma, not needed, commit away
10:10:12*pixelma hits 'enter'
10:10:31safetydanhrm, seems I missed some other bits and pieces too
10:11:34pixelmacomplete strings then?
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10:13:15safetydanpixelma, no, just missed the Bandwidth voice string. Fixed now.
10:13:44ED_209does anyone know if those 60gb widescreen things will be rockbox compatible?
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10:15:23LloreanED_209: i don't even understand your question. Rockbox runs on only the players listed.
10:15:49ED_209are there any plans to do a rockbox port for those widescreen media players
10:16:00ED_209like the creative ones
10:16:29LloreanPorts aren't planned
10:16:34LloreanPeople who own the players work on them
10:17:13ED_209at random, by themselves?
10:17:38LloreanWell, they generally try to find other like-minded people with the hardware
10:19:13LloreanAll Rockbox ports were pretty much made by people who wanted their players to do more than they could before.
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10:19:29ED_209right so there is some kind of collaborative effort
10:20:08ED_209have you heard any kind of plans that people might have for porting rockbox to one of those newer widescreen media players
10:20:30LloreanYou haven't even named a specific player yet, and I certainly can't read yoru mind.
10:20:43LloreanBut Rockbox is in general targeted at audio players, not general media players.
10:20:45ED_209or do I have to quote specific models and reword the whole question so it's pedant-friendly
10:20:56LloreanAs for new ports, most collaboration is visible in the forums in the New Ports forum
10:21:03LloreanED_209: I'm not being pedantic.
10:21:17scorcheED_209: of course you ahve to name specific isnt liek they are all similar
10:21:19LloreanI'm absolutely serious: They aren't planned. People look for other people, and sometimes don't even come here until they've already got code running on the player.
10:21:20amiconnhamdiya: Lots. All supported iPods, the iriver H10 models and the Sansa e200 and c200 series are all PP targets.
10:21:37amiconnPlus the unfinished tatung elio
10:21:54ddaltondoes anyone know how to tell when a .talk clip is finished playing?
10:22:21ED_209when it stops saying things?
10:22:23LloreanED_209: So I can't just say "Yes, there's a road map", because there really isn't one. 95% of people "working" on new ports don't ever even get past the big hurdle of getting their own code launching on the player, so I can't exactly say who's *really* working on anything, and who's just enthusiastic but unlikely to ever get anywhere either.
10:22:39ddaltonED_209: in the code...
10:22:46LloreanED_209: Being a development channel too, maybe you should assume he's not clueless and asking how one might detect that from the code side.
10:23:08ED_209sorry I forgot that irc is serious business
10:23:22amiconnddalton: You can't, as voice is asynchronous by design. But iirc that question was already answered several times....
10:24:08ddaltonamiconn: so we can't just return something from talk_file once the elapsed time of the clip = the duration?
10:25:32LloreanED_209: The assumption that IRC is simply one homogeneous thing is very flawed. This is a logged, on-topic channel, so it's very much appreciated if you keep things serious and on-topic.
10:25:33amiconn(1) We don't know the duration of the clip. (2) talk_flie() returns immediately after scheduling the clip. It's _asnchronous_
10:26:11ddaltonamiconn: so I would need to modify talk_file?
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10:26:48amiconnIf you'd do that, the UI would block while the clip is playing. That would be not acceptable
10:27:10ddaltonamiconn, why couldn't I some how get the duration and then stop it from returning unless one. a buton was pressed. or 2. the elapsed time == the duration
10:27:26ddaltonamiconn, what?
10:27:31ddaltonsee my last message?
10:27:56amiconnPlease read all parts of the answers. YOu *can not* know how long the clip is, until it actually ended
10:28:08amiconnAnd I really don't know why you'd need that...
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10:29:05ddaltonamiconn, Well when in the file browser I want to play a clip from the voice file after the .talk clip plays. Then you said we can't get the duration of the .talk clip. How come we can get the duration of lets say an mp3 or ogg file?
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10:31:04amiconnAudio files are quite different beasts than the raw clips
10:31:48amiconnAnd you don't need the length of the clip in order to schedule clips. SVn does already do that. Just enable .talk clips and file type announcement, and you'll hear that it works
10:37:14ED_209can you idle in here? or should I close the client
10:38:28ddaltonamiconn: so If I have a dir called music with a .talk clip it says folder music or music folder?
10:38:40ddaltonsorry I don't have access to my mp3 atm
10:38:44amiconnmusic folder
10:39:34ddaltonamiconn: thats what I want. What do I do to make it do that? So for example play the clip like stephane's patch does and then say a clip from the voice file?
10:39:46ED_209does anyone know of a c64 emulator?
10:40:01ED_209for the iriver h300
10:40:08amiconnJust install an SVN build, add a current voice file and .talk clips, and set the options
10:40:34amiconnIn fact I find that somewhat annoying. I'd like file types to be announced only when no .talk clip is present
10:40:35ddaltonno I am adding another feature that will work like his but needs to speak something different
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10:40:51amiconnJust schedule the clips....
10:41:02ddaltonamiconn: how
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10:41:38amiconnLike you always would...
10:43:05ddaltonhow do you schedule the clips in the code?
10:43:14ddaltonwhat functions do you use just talk_file?
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10:45:11amiconntalk_file is for .talk clips only
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10:47:08amiconnsafetydan: The voicing of the cutoffs is wrong
10:47:32amiconnWrong unit, and forced sign announcement. It says "+1 decibel" etc
10:48:54*amiconn has a look
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10:57:49ddaltonamiconn: how do you do that then?
11:00:27safetydanamiconn, that's odd. I didn't explicitly do anything for voicing the cutoff units. I just assumed the sound settings did the right thing with unitless values
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11:07:09safetydanVolume is hardware controlled on all targets right?
11:08:30*safetydan is really wondering why the low latency mode is needed when setting that
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11:22:59hamdiyaanyone use IDA?
11:23:07linuxstbamiconn: Have you done any work on the LCD drawing benchmark plugin you were talking about recently?
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11:25:28JdGordonevening all
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11:25:55aliaskHowdy Jd
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11:26:42pixelmaJdGordon: amiconn summoned you...
11:26:47amiconnhi JdGordon
11:27:02JdGordonam i in trouble?
11:27:27amiconnI want to fix the wrong voicing of the new bass & treble cutoff settings on ipod video, but can't for the life of me figure out what controls this voicing :(
11:27:47JdGordonnew bass and trble settings?
11:27:53amiconnThese options should be voiced as simple integers, but they are voiced as signed decibel values
11:28:13JdGordonah yes.. you need to fix the voice callback for the settings
11:28:28amiconnI can't even figure out what code actually runs when entering a setting :(
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11:29:26JdGordonthe callback is set in settingslist.c
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11:30:27Nico_Paliask: hi
11:30:38amiconnCan't find anything related...
11:30:39aliaskNico_P: Hello
11:31:02JdGordonamiconn: ok, gimme a few minutes... gotta catch up on some stuff before i can play
11:31:18Nico_PI've been experimenting a bit with my S and I've seen that timing seems to be very sensitive
11:31:37Nico_Paliask: also, is it normal that sleep() calls seem to freeze the player,
11:31:46amiconnNico_P: Btw, the end-of-playlist bug is still unfixed
11:32:04aliaskNico_P: Sleep freezes it because threading doesn't work properly in the bootloader
11:32:04amiconnNico_P: If interrupts are not yet working, this would be expected
11:32:25Nico_Pamiconn: could you ellaborate on the end of playlist bug?
11:32:33linuxstbaliask: Are interrupts enabled (in the bootloader) ?
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11:32:55amiconnWhen th eplaylist end, it is supposed to remember that fact, and splash "Nothing to resume" when trying to resume
11:33:03aliasklinuxstb: I believe so, ptw419 and myself both tried to get them working, but we never got anywhere with it
11:33:07amiconnBut that does not always work
11:33:16Nico_Pamiconn: ah, didn't remember that one
11:33:34amiconnStrangely enough, it seems to work _sometimes_
11:34:02amiconnBut if it doesn't, you can resume, and it will resume into the last few seconds of the last track
11:34:18amiconnOn hwcodec it works properly
11:34:55Nico_Paliask: also in the version I have, I get a large negative value for the sectors per ata request and the others
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11:35:45aliaskNico_P: Sectors per ata request?
11:36:23Nico_Paliask: yes, and the other values printed by ata_init
11:37:06Nico_Pbtw, they weren't printed by DEBUGF with the hack you gave me so I tweaked it a bit
11:37:22Nico_Psome were outputted as blank lines
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11:39:13Nico_Pmaybe it's my hack though... all the ata output seems screwed up
11:39:32Nico_Peven the part numbers are negative
11:40:06aliaskMy part numbers are positive
11:40:16Nico_Pyes, I used to have them positive too
11:40:25aliask30gb disk?
11:40:39aliaskMine's 60, if that makes any difference
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11:42:00hamdiyalool, found this in my fw (hex mode) "COPY_PROGRESS WE R DONE . . . HAHAHAHAHA"
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11:42:39aliaskBored programmers
11:42:42Nico_Paliask: one thing I found strange is that adding a debugf line in kernel_init made the thing freeze...
11:43:26aliaskNico_P: That's really strange...
11:43:36hamdiya"very professtional" :P
11:43:37aliaskThe "Testing, testing, 123" line?
11:44:51Nico_Paliask: no, an other one... and that one used to not be printed
11:45:11aliaskIt prints fine on my player... this is so strange...
11:45:22aliaskDo you think there might be different hardware revisions?
11:46:12Nico_Pno idea...
11:46:23Nico_Pnow I changed my hack and the values are OK again
11:46:38Nico_Pwith testing 123 being printed too
11:46:43aliaskWhat was your hack?
11:47:43Nico_Pin debugf, I had replaced "debug(debugmembuf)" by "printf(fmt, ap)", which was obviousl wrong... now I have "printf(debugmembuf)"
11:49:32Nico_Paliask: I looked at the ata code and the doc a bit... something I didn't understand was the values you give to the TIME_* registers
11:49:54aliaskThat's mostly taken from the linux bsp
11:50:11aliaskIt's timing based on a 27mhz oscillator
11:50:34aliaskI don't understand it though
11:50:47Nico_Pwhat needs looking at?
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11:51:18aliaskWell, loading the main rockbox binary I think should be our priority
11:51:38aliaskDoing that would be the first step to interrupts in my eyes
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11:52:41aliaskIt'd also highlight areas which need work
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11:52:55Nico_Pok... you've started, haven't you?
11:53:20aliaskKind of, a few unsuccessful attempts. I didn't get a chance to use sendfile.c yet, but I'll do that tonight
11:54:19aliaskI can't remember what code I used to get it to spit out the directory listing, so I'll spend some time getting that working again
11:54:20Nico_Pdo you want me to try sending a file to the player?
11:54:21hamdiyaif a developer wanted to make a port to a new targer, do they really need the device?
11:54:33JdGordonit helps
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11:54:51hamdiyawhat if the components are known
11:54:52aliaskNico_P: Sure, but I was going to use the dir listing to confirm that it was sent
11:55:01bertrikhamdiya: I'd say definitely
11:55:13Nico_Paliask: yeah, makes sense
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11:55:21JdGordonamiconn: have a look at the _getlang functions in settings_list.c and fix one to talk the sounds settings correctly
11:55:28hamdiyaso if i post details of the compoennt in my player
11:55:38hamdiyawould it be possible for a dev. to make the port?
11:55:46JdGordon.. OH... crap... SOUND_SETTING doesnt have a talk callback
11:56:19Nico_Paliask: adding debug messages to ini_threads causes panics
11:56:23amiconnBut sound settings *are* able to use different units
11:56:34JdGordonok.. this could be difficult
11:56:55amiconnBalance uses %, the other standard settings use dB, and on MASF, some MDB settings use Hz
11:57:02aliaskNico_P: Where in memory is it panicing?
11:57:07amiconnI just cannot find *where* this is handled...
11:57:09aliaskCheck your file
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11:57:14Lloreanhamdiya: Developers are exceedingly unlikely to work on a port for a device they don't have. As has been said, many times, it's a lot of work. And a lot of time. So people usually do it for a player they own, because they want to be able to use Rockbox on it.
11:57:26Lloreanhamdiya: You could always start trying to learn the things you don't know.
11:57:27Nico_Paliask: didn't say... it seemed to be the THREAD_PANICF("init_threads->no slot", NULL); message
11:57:32hamdiyawould a fe $$ boost the project?
11:58:11amiconnI doubt that
11:58:55amiconnJdGordon: I have a suspicion... hope grep helps me finding something
11:59:12aliaskNico_P: Well, this is pretty much the limit of my knowledge. I have no idea why it'd be panicing to be honest
11:59:37hamdiyai'd have to learn C from scratch and then practice on it. by then my player would probably be in a junk box :P
12:00:21markunhamdiya: find some more aldipod owners, maybe one of them wants to help you with the port
12:01:15hamdiyathe only aldipod resource i found was a german forum
12:01:21Nico_Paliask: ok... I probably won't have time to try more today... could you send me a patch if you manage to get the dir listing?
12:01:28hamdiyatime to use google trans. tools
12:01:36aliaskNico_P: Sure thing
12:01:55Lloreanhamdiya: Still, it's the best way. As has been said several times: Ports happen when owners of the hardware make it happen. Trying to convince someone who's not interested in the hardware to do it for you is just going to generate ill will
12:02:11Nico_Paliask: also, anything I can do to help, I just need pointers to know where to start :)
12:02:20Nico_Ptrying to get up to speed
12:02:54aliaskOk. I think you're pretty much up to speed already though
12:03:52Nico_PI think I still need to read the iMX doc and study the linux bsp code
12:04:04Nico_Pproblem is I have very little knowledge in that area
12:04:10hamdiyayeah i guess you're right. Lemme see my german friends over at
12:04:31amiconnJdGordon: Ah, yes. It's handled in option_select.c, and thi splace didn't know about dimensionless sound units yet
12:04:45JdGordonyeah.. i was about to say that
12:04:57aliaskI find the BSP code very hard to read sometimes, I've never programmed with linux and it seems to have some quirks
12:05:02JdGordonyou might want to add a flag in to split the sound settings into decimal and not
12:05:13*JdGordon not very helpful tonight... heading out in a few min
12:05:14Nico_Paliask: yeah, neither have I
12:05:51JdGordonamiconn: hows the backlight reowrk going?
12:06:35Nico_Pwell I'm off now... nice talking to you aliask ;)
12:06:38amiconnStill at the beginning... didn't have much time, and then all kinds of quirks to fix got in the way...
12:06:59aliaskNico_P: Catch you later!
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12:18:42amiconnsafetydan: Fix committed.
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12:24:25safetydanamiconn, cool
12:24:50safetydanright, now to get the graphical eq menu talking
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12:26:25amiconnIt's just a quick drop-in fix. It would probably be helpful to handle the sound units at the app level, and remove the unit from the table in firmware/
12:26:55amiconnBut unfortunately I don't really understand the current settings system. Maybe JdGordon could look into that
12:27:33amiconnAfaiu, settings do have a way to specify a unit
12:28:32amiconnOops, yellow
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12:31:01safetydangeneral settings can have units but it seems sound settings can't
12:31:29pixelmasafetydan: you want to make it talk the bands, so you know where you are at? Btw. was it you who was interested in redesigning this screen somehow (I mean the problem that not all bands are visible on the c200 screen)?
12:31:47amiconnYes, atm. Sound settings get their unit from the table in firmware/, but then the firmware layer doesn't actually need to know about the unit
12:32:10amiconnSo the units could be moved up to apps
12:32:23safetydanpixelma, the idea is to make the graphical screen as accessible as the menus and then get rid of the menus. After that I was going to look at redesigns.
12:33:04amiconnThe current screen isn't even accessible for sighted users on c200
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12:33:58pixelmaah, ok.
12:35:13safetydanwell redesign could happen at the same time as talking, but either way the code needs some attention
12:37:26amiconnSlasheri: still needs the patched arm-elf-gcc
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12:37:58isoTopi see there is a new usb stacj
12:38:16isoTopwill usb charging with sansa will now work?
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12:43:52jmspeexpreglow: do you have numbers on code size difference your patch makes?
12:45:05pixelmaisoTop: it should (at least enters charging mode if you hold select when plugging the cable) - haven't tested how much of an effect it has...
12:45:12Slasheriamiconn: doing that now
12:46:19isoToppixelma, cool, i order one already and if it will charge it will be even better :)
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12:49:09pixelmawell so far I charged using the original firmware which is still available (and currently still needed for usb transfers). The new stack is meant to get rid of this dependency
12:49:19Slasheriamiconn: ok, now is compiling and installing the new arm-elf
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13:01:38Slasheriamiconn: upgrade done
13:02:04Slasheriamiconn: should i upgrade the other compilers as well?
13:03:25n1sSlasheri: no need
13:04:30Slasheriok :)
13:04:30amiconnSlasheri: I wonder whether rebuilding sh-elf-gcc on would fix that strange binsize delta
13:04:46Slasheriamiconn: i could try that
13:09:50Slasherihmm, i will rebuild all compilers on
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13:53:24aliaskNico_P:"> <−−- I might have forgotten to include dir.h, so if it doesn't work that should fix it... need to sleep though
13:54:21Nico_Paliask: thanks :)
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14:18:59n1shmm this gcc 4.3 snapshot works a bit better than the one two weeks ago, at least rockbox boots now, and plugins work fine, codecs don't however...
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14:25:18omryany news on rockbox USB support?
14:25:33Robin0800holding menu on an ipodvideo at reboot booted the OF System
14:25:54omrymy Sansa crash while scanning the files database, probably doesnt like one of the files.
14:26:12omryI mean - when the original firmware scans the files database.
14:26:20omryI need the original firmware to upload files.
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14:27:06LearYes, but with a recent enough bootloader (and the right OF version?), the DB scan is disabled. I never see it...
14:27:52omryLear, we are talking about the db scan of the original firmware, right?
14:28:03omryhow do I disable it?
14:28:51LearAs I said, you need a recent bootloader. It's on by default, if the bootloader recognize the OF version or something like that.
14:29:16omrya recent rockbox bootloader?
14:29:52omryis the bootloader upgradeable without re-downloading rbutilqt ?
14:30:26LearYes. I think so... Afaik it downloads those things.
14:30:35omryI`ll try.
14:30:47omrysadly it means I`ll have to delete all my files first
14:31:22omrybecause my sansa crash when I boot it with the cable connected
14:31:27omrybecause of the db scan
14:31:44pixelmajust a notice - it only works on the e200-series
14:31:54omrypixelma, I got e280
14:32:07omryso what ever it you are referring to, I think it's ok
14:32:51LearBtw, you could try the Sansa updater first. After upgrading, it boots to a language selection screen. Might be before the DB scan...
14:32:53omryso, any bright ideas before I nuke my podcasts directory?
14:33:10omrywhat is the sansa updater?
14:33:14omryhow do I access it?
14:33:20tuplanollasandisk's OF update tool
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14:33:21pixelmaI meant the disabling of the original firmware's db scan with a new bootloader - should work for you then :)
14:33:44omrytuplanolla, let me guess: windows only? :)_
14:34:00tuplanollaomry: only windows.
14:34:20omryfigures. okay.. nuking my directory.
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14:34:30omryI wonrder - how can the bootloader disable the dbscan?
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14:35:28LloreanThe OF keeps track of whether it thinks the DB needs rescanned on reboot by storing a value somewhere. We can put a value there too.
14:36:06omryalright, looks like rbutil downloaded a new bootloader
14:37:24linuxstbomry: If you can't start the original firmware, you can't enter USB mode, and hence you can't install a new bootloader with rbutil....
14:37:46omrylinuxstb, unless I delete my files, which allow me to start the original firmware once again.
14:38:15omrylinuxstb, I have already upgraded my bootloader and am now copying the files back.
14:39:14tuplanollaum, does rbutil work with 64-bit Ubuntu?
14:40:02linuxstbI think so, but you may need to build it yourself.
14:40:18tuplanollayeah, I noticed that
14:40:28tuplanollalet's try then ;)
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14:42:00*n1s dances the file system corruption dance :)
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14:46:39preglowwoot, hw eq gone! \o/
14:46:42tuplanollaew. too much -dev thingies to download, no good. not trying then :)
14:48:13*n1s finds a cosmetic bug in panicf calls, it already wraps lines by itself and uses lcd_puts so it tries to print \n chars...
14:48:24Robin0800holding menu on an ipodvideo at reboot booted the OF System isn't hold only supposed to do that?
14:49:02n1sRobin0800: no menu is the old way and is supposed to work too
14:50:27Robin0800n1s,good because I prefer thatthough I don'y think the maual mentions it now
14:50:58Nico_Plinuxstb: can I access a second partition in a bootloader?
14:51:28linuxstbIsn't the first partition the firmware partition on the S?
14:51:59linuxstbProbably the easiest way is to hard-code which partition is mounted - I think that's in disk.c
14:52:07Nico_Pyes, but I think files I send are copied on another one
14:52:21*bertrik got a new USB hub for testing sansa USB
14:52:51linuxstbNico_P: So things are progressing?
14:53:47Nico_Plinuxstb: I can run code on my gigabeat, and aliask just gave me code to show a dir listing... we want to load a rockbox.gigabeat file
14:54:00Nico_PI wouldn't say there is much progress
14:54:29linuxstbIs the procedure for running code with your sendfirm tool documented now?
14:55:14Nico_Pnot really, no
14:56:03Robin0800linuxstb,menu for OF should not be still active with boot loader version 2 on ipod videeo?
14:56:10Nico_Phmm and things sometimes break for no good reason... I changed which partition should be mounted in disk.c and now the player freezes before even reaching that point
14:57:01Nico_Pa single printf call can also make the player freeze
14:57:23linuxstbRobin0800: Why not? That's the original way, but some people found it too hard, so the HOLD method was added.
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14:59:02Nico_Plinuxstb: my updater is very simple to use though
14:59:24Robin0800Perhaps the maual needs to be changed to describe both methods at th e moment it sounds like menu is not available in bootloader2
15:01:46Frazzis anyone working on getting RB on the new ipods?
15:02:05Nico_Plinuxstb: changing the arg in the disk_mount() call that is in disk.c:disk_mount_all should be enough, shouldn't it?
15:02:15n1sFrazz: no
15:02:26bertrikNico_P: I also ran into that when experimenting with the db refresh bit, never looked into it or figured it out though
15:03:12Nico_Pbertrik: random freezes?
15:03:34bertrika freeze after using printf in the bootloader
15:04:02Nico_Pwell I use it, but sometimes it freezes and sometimes not
15:08:51Nico_Phmm looks like it's not the arg of disk_mount() I need to change
15:09:27tuplanollahum. the Rockbox Utility is kinda weird.
15:09:48tuplanollait just keeps asking me "No device selected. Do you want to autodetect the device?"
15:10:03tuplanolla0.3.2.6 is the version.
15:11:02tuplanollaAuto detection failed: aborting was hiding behind the other dialog
15:11:19tuplanollabut can't press Details because the other dialog is still here
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15:12:33*Nico_P can't find the files he sends
15:13:26LloreanNico_P: Is there a way to browse the device from the PC side via MTP (or at least get a file listing)?
15:13:47Nico_PLlorean: yes, but the listing has nothing to do with what my bootloader tells me
15:14:01LloreanI just meant, can you verify the files actually got received?
15:14:39Nico_Pyes I can
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15:15:11Nico_PI use the limtp example utilities, but I tried both partitions and see no familiar filename except nk.bin
15:16:41Nico_Pon the second partition, one file is named "Content"
15:16:58linuxstbAre you viewing the size of files?
15:17:16Nico_Pno, good idea
15:18:21linuxstb"Content" is the only file you can see?
15:18:59Nico_Pno, there are others (I need to restart the bootloader to give you the names)
15:19:44Nico_Psomething like library and drm though
15:19:53Nico_PI'm on the second partition right now
15:19:59linuxstbAre they files or directories?
15:20:19Nico_P"Content" might actually be a dir
15:20:33linuxstbWould make sense ;)
15:21:19Nico_P:( now there is a freeze... All I changed was I added %ld to display the size
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15:21:55bertrikweird, if i wake up my sansa by connecting it to a hub, it wakes up but boots rockbox instead of OF
15:22:38linuxstbbertrik: Is this with a bootloader from SVN, or the released version?
15:23:04bertrika released version that came with sansapatcher
15:23:31Nico_Pwhat's annoying too is that the recovery mode erases all files
15:23:42linuxstbThat makes sense - the USB detection should distinguish between a "power-only" connection and a connection to a PC. IIUC, the bootloader only starts the OF if it detects a USB connection to a PC.
15:23:44Nico_Pthankfully the OF lets me upgrade without doing that
15:23:57linuxstb(or at least, that's what the USB detection used to do)
15:24:19linuxstbNico_P: So you can install a new version of the Rockbox bootloader without using recovery mode?
15:24:39linuxstbI mean when your bootloader crashes?
15:25:02Nico_Pah no, you'll need to enter recoveyr mode then
15:25:13bertriklinuxstb: ok, I'm testing with an USB compliance verifier and it replaces the windows USB stack
15:25:21Nico_Pbut if you have the OF, you can update without using the recovery mode
15:25:51Nico_Pok, now I have a file listing with attribute and sie
15:26:40Slasheriamiconn: now all compilers are reinstalled on
15:26:51Nico_Pthe attribute shows that Content is a dir... I'll try to get in it
15:26:59linuxstbNico_P: So the first time you use your tool, you can do it in the original firmware, but subsequent times require recovery mode?
15:27:22linuxstbSo we need dual-boot...
15:27:40Nico_Pwhat I do if I want to see files is enter recovery mode, load the OF, add files and upgrade from the OF
15:27:44Nico_Pwe definitely need it, yeah
15:28:09linuxstbCan you copy files back to the PC with libmtp?
15:28:16Nico_Palso because recovery mode takes ages before letting you upgrade
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15:32:22tuplanollahalp, rockbox utility doesn't find my Sansa
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15:33:01bertriktuplanolla: do you use a recent version of rbutil? latest version should find it but one before that doesn't
15:33:22tuplanolla0.3.2.6 is the newest i could find
15:33:48bertrikI use v1.0.2, can be found here
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15:34:14tuplanollaand also tried rbutilqt 1.0.3
15:34:21tuplanollalets try 1.0.2
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15:40:01linuxstbbertrik: 1.0.2 is the version that didn't work on Windows with the Sansa. 1.0.3 is fixed.
15:42:18*stripwax_ is buying a nokia modem usb data cable and a cheap ipod usb data cable and will splice them together to make an ipod usb serial cable
15:42:36stripwax_ebay's great for parts
15:43:11stripwax_just picked up an ipod video -> 2xaudio+1xvideo rca cable to test/play with tv out
15:43:14tuplanollao yeahs, now it works fine
15:43:34stripwax_and also to confirm that rockbox has both of these disabled by default to save power
15:43:43tuplanollathere was another copy of rbutil freezed somehow
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15:54:55countrymonkeyI want to get working parts of an archos player out of the archos junkyard. A mas from this player (working), a dac from another player (also working). How much would that cost me?
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15:56:56countrymonkeyand all the other necessary parts
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15:57:44ToHellWithGAdo yall know of a linux utility to defragment fat32 partitions? i've moved quite a lot of files to and from my ipod over the past few months and would imagine it is fragmented since it is fat32
15:58:41Klevi=/ Im not sure if Linux has that ... sorry
15:59:05KleviI know it has ntfs fix, but thats as far as I go
15:59:12countrymonkeyI wouldn't think so
15:59:30KleviTry Google.
15:59:33ToHellWithGAi guess i could just mount the ipod in a windows VM and defragment it
15:59:42ToHellWithGAgee thanks Klevi i never thought of google :-P
15:59:45Klevitheres a good idea
16:00:02KleviWell, yknow some people actually just ask first rather than google
16:00:19KleviBetter to mention it rather than not mention it
16:01:33KleviToHellWithGA, You dont know anything about supybot i presume.. lol
16:01:37countrymonkeyHow much would it be to get all working parts necessary to assemble an archos player out of the archos junkyard?
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16:01:46Klevi... hm
16:02:04Klevidepends on what yah need.. but junkyard stuff here is 10$ or something
16:02:15KleviPretty cheap in general Id assume.
16:02:43KleviIs it needed to be junkyard assembled? =p
16:03:09countrymonkeyI need all the parts. I don't have an archos player to begin with and I want to learn how to assemble something. Dad will teach me as long as I get all the parts. I looked at the spare parts page and I thought it would be cool to experience the good old archos.
16:03:23KleviAh, I see
16:03:32countrymonkeyNo. We will assemble it.
16:03:38KleviThats pretty cool of you
16:03:53countrymonkeyHey, I need to learn somehow.
16:04:17KleviLike myself and ventureing into the software coding world
16:04:24countrymonkeySo how do I get the dang parts? I will pay for the parts if I get a price
16:04:53KleviI honestly dont have a straightforward answer
16:05:07Klevido some homework on it
16:05:14Kleviits bound to be sold somewhere
16:05:37countrymonkeyWow! I never thought of that. Could you get me a list of parts for the player? I will just pick them up one by one.
16:06:09Klevi... Sarcasm... or..?
16:06:40countrymonkeyNo. I really need a list of parts
16:07:01Klevihave you tried google?
16:07:29countrymonkeywell... Google time!
16:11:30Nico_Pthose random freezes are really getting to me
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16:12:11webguest51hi everybody !
16:12:15countrymonkeyNo. I need archos junkyard stuff. Ebay doesn't have any archos players. Where can I look to buy the archos junkyard equipment?
16:12:17bertrikrandom freezes are often caused by stack problems
16:12:47webguest51got just one question about unlocking password on a fujistsu hdd
16:12:57webguest51i tried ata passowrd
16:13:26Lloreancountrymonkey: Why not just get an old archos, take it apart, and then put it back together?
16:13:29bertrikwebguest51: what's the relation with rockbox?
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16:14:44KleviBetter idea.. have someone ELSE take it apart, and give it to you in pieces
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16:15:02KleviWhats the difference
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16:15:35bertrik"will it blend?" :P
16:15:57LloreanThe answer is always "Yes, assuming a sufficiently advanced blender"
16:16:17Nico_Plinuxstb: any ideas how dual booting could be done?
16:16:26Nico_PI'm sick of going through recovery mode
16:17:08*Klevi 's new sansa c200 arrives in the mail the 28th hopefully
16:18:02linuxstbNico_P: Not really. You'll need to try and understand the boot process, and how the nk.bin hack works. But the basic idea would be to hook into the OF's entry point, check something simple via GPIO (e.g. hold switch), and depending on the status either branch back to the OF's entry point, or continue running our code.
16:18:11linuxstbNico_P: I think aliask attempted it, but couldn't get it working.
16:18:40Nico_Pyeah IIRC he had the freezes
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16:19:05Nico_Pfrom what I could tell they are consistent and come and go according to which code you have
16:19:08*Nico_P too
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16:26:12Soaplinuxstb, please ignore the following if I draw you too far into distraction-land:
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16:27:29SoapBased on some comments by zagor yesterday regarding the USB detection added to the PP targets, and the minimal stack for requesting 500ma, a bit of confusion arose regarding Rockbox's history of powering the USB controller.
16:28:20SoapI was under the impression that the USB controller had long been enabled (powered), but perhaps I am wrong. Neither LL nor I could recall the exact history of the situation.
16:29:10SoapDo you know the timeline of it being powered or not? If this is the first time it is unpowered I was going to run some battery_bench tests to see how much power is saved.
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16:48:46webguest83i need help
16:48:51webguest83can you help me?
16:49:03tuplanollaIt depends on your question
16:49:18webguest83i have a e250
16:49:23webguest83of sandisk
16:49:28tuplanollacool, i have e280 ;)
16:49:41bertrikwhat is the problem?
16:49:59webguest831 sec
16:50:16webguest83I install ta rock box
16:50:24webguest83now i want to see a movie in it
16:50:29webguest83but i dont know how
16:50:38webguest83i transfer the movie to the e250
16:50:47webguest83how can play it now?
16:51:01bertrikthis link probably has your answer :
16:51:25webguest83thank you, i'll have a look
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16:57:28webguest83if i understood right so when i click on the movie to play it need to play the movie right?
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16:58:05bertrikwow, rockbox charged my battery up to 4.1V, while the OF never seems to go higher than 4.0V
16:59:30bertrikwebguest83: yes, use the 'files' menu item to browse to the file and then select it with the middle button
17:01:08webguest83but it doesnt work yet
17:01:20webguest83nothing happen when i do it
17:01:34webguest83it's an AVI file
17:02:50bertrikthe mpegplayer plugin can only play MPEG-1 and MPEG-2
17:03:53webguest83so i cant see an avi movie on it?
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17:07:12mokkurkalveYou have to convert your movie to the appropriate format, framerate and size to watch it. All the info are on the link bertrik provided
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17:36:03Mechelwird der "Sandisk Sansa e280 " schon unterst├╝tzt?
17:36:15Mechelich lese nur von e200...
17:36:21rasher_Please speak English.
17:36:42Mechelok, sorry
17:37:16rasher_The e200 is just a series of players, including the e250, e260 and e280 (I believe those are the right numbers, but could be wrong)
17:39:21Mechelyes, Thank you for the answer :)
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17:52:26webguest83i have a proble with the WINFF
17:52:34webguest83can someone help me please?
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18:04:56nanok_rasher_: there is also the 270 i think, the 6G one
18:05:05nanok_not that it matters :)
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18:25:07Presencewow, so the ipod video no longer uses software EQ? its all integrated all nifty-style right into hardware where possible?
18:25:13Presencethats pretty freaking cool.
18:25:18Presenceno more "double EQ" confusion
18:27:08Presenceand by "use hardware", I mean whatever equivalant to "hardware eq" really means inside that chippie.
18:27:51rasher_on the contrary. The hardware eq configuration was removed, because the Video doesn't actually have a hardware equalizer.
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18:33:40Presencethis is totally dumb, but, the ipod (video) is a "software codec" playback device, right?
18:34:45Presencelike, instead of like using whatever circuits etched or whatever inside of the chip for "real" hardware playback?
18:35:48Llorean"real" hardware playback is still software playback.
18:36:00LloreanIt just means a specially programmed chip, instead of a multipurpose one
18:36:08Presenceokay, cool!
18:36:10LloreanBut the iPod Video is in the category we call "software codec" for simplicity
18:36:31LloreanThe ones we call "Hardware Codec" use a chip we refer to as the MAS decoder, which can be reprogrammed but we don't really do it.
18:37:00Presencehah, okay.
18:37:48Presenceso, like, IRL the ipod video's "EQ" stuff in the menu just makes "more sense" now. that makes me happy, too.
18:40:21jhMikeSamiconn: I'm around now. :)
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20:16:03lostlogicinteresting. I installed a new apple firmware on my iPod and it actually changed the emergency disk mode screen slightly
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20:24:27preglowwhich ipod?
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20:27:02countrymonkeyCould someone commit 8213 and 8216?
20:28:05linuxstb8213 has already been rejected.
20:29:02dionoealostlogic: did it make it look better? :)
20:29:32countrymonkeyI added an explanation. If someone could give me an explanation of why the damn thing cannot be committed that would be nice.
20:29:33linuxstbMore importantly, is it faster than the previous version?
20:29:58linuxstbcountrymonkey: What explanation? We won't remove support for hardware that a particular device has.
20:30:36countrymonkeyIt is unstable. All the patch does is comment out the defines.
20:30:46LloreanThen FIX recording, don't remove it.
20:30:46countrymonkeyit means a binsize decrease.
20:30:56LloreanRockbox is not release software.
20:31:16countrymonkeyHow about 8216. And could 8218 be fixed?
20:32:30*jhMikeS has already pointed out what needs to be fixed so recording isn't busted on iPods...not much work.
20:32:45Lloreancountrymonkey: And how do you propose to fix 8218?
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20:34:17countrymonkeySoftware mixer. Fix it just like you did with the stinking voice thread. Same thing, isn't it?
20:34:34LloreanIf it's that simple, I look forward to a patch.
20:34:41jhMikeSummm...not so easy since it's not really a true mixer
20:35:10jhMikeSwe'll never have a really good mixer without preemptive'll alway be 2nd rate then
20:35:12countrymonkeyoh; I don't know
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20:37:47countrymonkeyIf you look, you will see I am a reporter. Therefore, I cannot program. I took some c classes a few years ago, but they were basic and they fell through. That is how I know how to comment out the recording code as shown in 8213. I know vbscript, if I can be some assistance there.
20:38:56Lloreancountrymonkey: "reporter" is just anyone who hasn't been given special privileges. It doesn't imply anything beyond that. The fact that you seemed to feel you knew well enough how to solve it that you could comment on it, suggested to me that you could do so rather than that you were just making things up as you went along.
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20:39:12jhMikeSVBScript surely won't help here but recording on iPods can function very well if the drivers get some minor updates
20:39:16LloreanOne would of course assume that if you were confident enough to comment on how to do it, it was because you'd looked into it first.
20:39:42jhMikeSMetronome with music is a worse situation though
20:40:12linuxstbjhMikeS: Can you remind me what needs doing in the audio drivers?
20:41:16jhMikeSlinuxstb: the audiohw_enable/disable_recording, audiohw_set_monitor functions need to be properly implemented. right now audiohw_disable_recording just turns the chip off the same as when powering down.
20:43:06linuxstbSo "disable_recording" really means "enable_playback" ?
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20:43:53jhMikeSyes...turn off the ADC and the inputs.
20:44:07preglowjhMikeS: cutting some iram away from speex now
20:44:51jhMikeSaudiohw_set_monitor is expected to enable analog monitoring paths (for things like radio) but be independent in setting that up
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20:45:35jhMikeSpreglow: how much? the less the better for core anyway. decoding speed hardly seems an issue with it.
20:46:52preglowjhMikeS: dunno yet, a 2-3-4 kb
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20:47:22jhMikeS!! that's alot :)
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21:09:26webguest05i have serious problem with my device... i can't run any application or game in says incomaptible version...
21:10:42bertrikI probably can't help you, what device do you have and what version of rockbox?
21:12:05webguest05e200 and current version
21:12:09Llorean"Incompatible version" means that your rockbox binary is a different version than your plugins
21:12:23LloreanUsually it means you didn't extract everything to it when installing/updating
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21:13:22webguest05ohh ok
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21:23:46bertrikI just built a sim, but there's no 'install' target anymore. Is that correct or am I doing something wrong?
21:24:43jhMikeS'make install' was removed?
21:25:24bertriknever mind, i think i did something stupid, accidentally configured for the real target I think, sorry
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21:33:51makuseruim having a problem, i have rockbox installed on a Toshiba Gigabeat, i had a song playing and just turned it off, when i do that the next time i turn it on it resumes playing that song, i then had moved some files around through the computer onto the player, and i guess i deleted the song it was played when i turned it off, so now when i turn it on its stuck at that song and i cant go back into the menu or anything. i even tried resetting the
21:33:51makuserubattery and deleting the .rockbox directory and putting it back on but none of that worked. Does anyone know anyway to solve this problem?
21:33:59countrymonkeyHow do you sync a patch?
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21:36:41countrymonkeyHow do you sync a patch?
21:37:35bertrikone way is to go back into SVN to the version that the patch applies to with 'svn update -r <version>', then apply the patch, then update back to current version with 'svn update'
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21:38:37countrymonkeyI want to go back to October 15, 2007. How do I do that?
21:39:47bertriksvn help update tells you how i think
21:40:28countrymonkeyThanks a bunch.
21:40:34bertrikanother way is to simply apply the patch to the current version and hope for the best
21:41:37countrymonkeyI tried that; didn't work. This baby needs a resync, bigtime
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21:59:00JavaMan22LCD_RGBPACK returns what type?
21:59:10JavaMan22im trying to store a color i make with it
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22:03:38jhMikeStype? it returns RGB888 packed to an fb_data type (truncated to fit)
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22:04:04JavaMan22so how whould i store it in a var?
22:04:18countrymonkeyWhat is the syntax to go back to a previous version of svn?
22:04:33jhMikeSthe same as any other. fb_data color = LCD_RGBPACK(r, g, b)
22:04:40JavaMan22ok thx
22:04:51PaulJamcountrymonkey: svn up -r12345
22:05:57countrymonkeyIt sais skip and that is it. I do svn up -r15120 and it sais skipped.
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22:07:00PaulJamcountrymonkey: then you are propably in the wrong directory
22:07:40countrymonkeyDo I have to be in the root of my source tree?
22:08:00countrymonkeyoh... I was one level above.
22:08:47JavaMan22in order for a plugin to be in official build it needs to work on most targets?
22:08:48countrymonkeyNow we are getting somewhere. Thanks very much. Now I have talking plugins.
22:09:17countrymonkeyCan I use svn update to get back?
22:09:32countrymonkeyJavaman: Yes
22:10:09countrymonkeyWell, just sensible targets. (the iriverify plugin is only accessible on irivers obviously)
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22:12:03JavaMan22when it builds things for every target cant it just not include a plugin
22:12:21JavaMan22i mean on the website
22:13:12LloreanJavaMan22: Why should we make it be different for different players if there's no good reason to do so?
22:13:34JavaMan22ok tru
22:13:57JavaMan22im trying to port a periodic table
22:14:08JavaMan22because its very handy :)
22:14:52JavaMan22btw what is the smallest font in the official build
22:16:18PaulJam5x7 propably
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22:17:29jhMikeSa plugin can always provide its own glyphs
22:19:47PaulJamyou are right, it is propably a bad idea to rely on the user having installed the fonts pack.
22:19:56safetydanHrm, would removing the hardware equalizer be considered a major change?
22:20:11LloreanA periodic table could just use bitmaps.
22:20:14jhMikeSnot if it didn't work :)
22:20:17Bagdersafetydan: yes I'd say so
22:20:30JavaMan22but but
22:20:51JavaMan22i wanna draw it with rb
22:20:53jhMikeSsome games already do their own fonts I think
22:21:00JavaMan22ok so in chopper
22:21:16JavaMan22how do i set it to the 5x7
22:21:33preglowjhMikeS: 2kb
22:21:41LloreanJavaMan22: You really, *really* shouldn't use any specific font. Either use the fixed system font, or set it to the user font and hope the user has picked on small enough
22:21:57JavaMan22cant i just revert it back
22:21:58jhMikeSpreglow: no small potatoes then
22:22:00LloreanIn fact, I don't think you can pick a font other than FONT_SYSFIXED or FONT_USER right now (if I have the name right)
22:22:01JavaMan22when the plugin stops
22:22:14LloreanJavaMan22: The point is that you can't know if the font is on the disk.
22:22:24JavaMan22then ill provide on
22:22:37JavaMan22but then i dont know how :(
22:22:39safetydanEnhancement or bugfix?
22:22:48Lloreansafetydan: Enhancement, I think
22:22:53safetydanLlorean, I agree
22:23:16LloreanHonestly, I think the scrollwheel acceleration, and speex voice files were also enhacements
22:23:19JavaMan22ok i shall use
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22:23:33LloreanI see feature as "it can do something new" and enhancement as "something it did before is now done better"
22:23:42saratogasoap: I tested disabling the USB controller on the Sansa a couple months ago
22:24:19saratogait used 1.5 ma, and it has always been enabled (we used it to detect when cables were plugged in and to reboot back to the OF)
22:24:26JavaMan22wat are the sysfont dimensions
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22:24:57saratogasorry, couple weeks ago
22:24:59linuxstb_JavaMan22: SYSFONT_WIDTH * SYSFONT_HEIGHT (see sysfont.h in your build directory)
22:25:10saratogaits one of the bits in the dev_en register
22:26:00safetydanJavaMan22, it should be easy enough to build around the user font. Just might have to make it scroll a bit.
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22:28:17LloreanHey, on a nearly unrelated note.
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22:28:54LloreanHas anyone looked at the iPod 5G games to see if they're ARM code or something else (assuming they're not encrypted or otherwise obfuscated)?
22:29:18LloreanI saw one being played on my mother's iPod, and it was sparkly enough that it made me curious if it was running on the PP or the broadcom
22:29:20JavaMan22lol wups
22:29:48jhMikeSif they're encrypted, the data should look completely random. if they're ARM code, they'll have very regular patterns in a hex view.
22:31:10LloreanNext time I'm in the area, I ought to make a copy of it and investigate I suppose.
22:31:42jhMikeSone might say ARM code sticks out like a sore thumb :p
22:31:52*scorche groans
22:31:54LloreanIs it sad that I actually laughed?
22:32:20jhMikeSIs it sadder still that /me actually bothered to say it?
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22:33:25krazykitLlorean, apparently there are decrypted ipod games
22:34:36JavaMan22rb->button_status() that gets what button is pressed right?
22:34:48jhMikeSwho provides these games? (wasn't really aware of them until now)
22:35:09linuxstb_You buy them via the itunes music store
22:35:23LloreanThe only ones I know of are in the iTunes store
22:35:31jhMikeSsomething they're doing to compete with rockbox? ;P
22:35:48 Part JavaMan22
22:35:48LloreanjhMikeS: Their first releases were basically a "greatest hits of Rockbox plugins" selection. ::)
22:35:53amiconnpreglow: Is that stuff you took out of iram not used in case of voice?
22:36:21jhMikeSLlorean: they really should just provide the datasheets and let the experts handle it
22:36:44*amiconn notices an active jhMikeS :)
22:36:53preglowamiconn: sure it is, but it doesn't affect performance much
22:36:59LloreanjhMikeS: Their games are a lot flashier than our versions. Animation all over the place, faked 3D effects, and other stuff
22:37:00jhMikeS:) /me noticed 3 days of pinging
22:37:01amiconnjhMikeS: Did you try rockbox on your 3rd gen yet?
22:37:11amiconnpreglow: Is that verified on PP5002?
22:37:19jhMikeSamiconn: somewhat recently. something new?
22:37:28preglowamiconn: not in the least
22:37:36preglowamiconn: but i certainly expect that to be so
22:37:49preglowit's a quick test
22:38:17*jhMikeS wonders what's going on with 3rd gen
22:38:33amiconnjhMikeS: For quite a while now I get random crashing on my 2nd Gen. It depends on the build. First I thought that it might be a hardware problem of my 2nd Gen, but now I'm quite sure it isn't
22:38:47jhMikeSI thought it was working ok
22:39:21jhMikeSI checked mine when you had brought up a crashing problem before and I just couldn't crash it. Will try more aggressively this time.
22:39:32*Bagder jumps
22:39:32amiconnOne build causes all sorts of crashes (data aborts, illegal instructions, panics etc), and then, if something changed in the core, the next build runs perfectly stable
22:39:41BagderI got one of the newest m200 firmwares from zefie
22:39:53Bagderand what does it say inside... ?
22:40:06amiconnNow I have a suspicion, as I also remember that you increased cache alignment on PP502x
22:40:15linuxstb_Bagder: So they've changed from telechips?
22:40:44amiconnWhat if that alignment isn't actually necessary because of the cache, but instead covers some out-of-bounds access in the scheduler on PP?
22:40:48jhMikeSamiconn: that almost sounds like something COP related but COP should never be woken. :\
22:40:48preglowas3525? isn't that the audio codec in sansas?
22:40:54Bagderit seems so, but this is also the chip that resembles the sansa v2 ones, if I didn't read it wrongly
22:40:59bertrikZagor: I ran the compliance verifier against current SVN sansa USB code, I'll upload the results if you're interested
22:41:05Bagderpreglow: no, that's one of AMS'es SoCs
22:41:12Bagder3514 is the codec
22:41:17preglowdocs? :/
22:41:23Bagderno docs...
22:41:24amiconnIt almost looks like a stack overflow, but according to the thread debug screen, no stack is overflowing, not even nearly
22:41:26Zagorbertrik: absolutely
22:41:42preglowjhMikeS: oh, btw, done any tihnking on moving playback to the other core?
22:41:48amiconnI need to be really quick to get there before it crashes.
22:41:50linuxstb_Bagder: So I guess we can call that the m200 v2 ?
22:41:58Bagderyes indeed
22:42:13linuxstb_How annoying... They could at least have changed the model numbers...
22:42:31jhMikeSamiconn: I can say for that there is some cache related alignment needed and the sceduler never accesses anything but the objects and thread structs.
22:42:32Zagorlinuxstb_: you mean like apple? ;)
22:42:42Bagderand of course, this firmware is encrypted/scrambled...
22:42:43amiconn*When* the build is unstable, it almost always crashes when the dircache thread finishes scanning if enabled, and *immediately* after the browser or menu appears if dircache is disabled
22:43:03linuxstb_Zagor: Apple do change the names.
22:43:39Zagoris the generation number written anywhere on the players?
22:43:48bertrikZagor: results are in">
22:44:00jhMikeSpreglow: of course, and this MoB stuff provided little assistance...if fact, I'd say it's worse off than before. When I get the gumption, I'll do whatever to it that makes it operate with concurrent access.
22:44:10amiconnI'm almost sure that there is an out-of-bounds access *somewhere*, just not where. My guess was the scheduler because everything uses it
22:44:20amiconn...and that effect didn't exist in summer
22:44:24LloreanSo, what's the deal with Gapless being broken by tags post-MOB?
22:44:43jhMikeSamiconn: so dircache off makes it ok?
22:45:02linuxstb_Llorean: From the discussions I've read, I think it's mp3-only, and it's because MOB doesn't strip tags that the pre-MOB code did.
22:45:04amiconnDircache off makes it crash *immediately* instead of after the dircache scan
22:45:21Zagorbertrik: "Get configuration failed"??
22:45:29Lloreanlinuxstb_: Any idea why it doesn't strip them any more?
22:46:10jhMikeSI'd think oob would crash all PP then. A single core build for 502x doesn't iirc.
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22:46:34bertrikyeah, weird. The verifier swaps the windows USB stack with a custom test stack, perhaps this stack issues bus resets for each test
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22:46:54jhMikeSit was made to arbitrarily build as single for debug assistance.
22:47:10linuxstb_Llorean: No. But I think Nico_P and Lostlogic are aware of it.
22:47:18Zagorbertrik: also "Endpoint descriptor raw MaxPacketSize : 40" is strange
22:47:20amiconnpreglow: Yes, PP5002 is a quick check - if that bug that I just described doesn't hit again :\
22:48:15linuxstb_0x40 ?
22:48:15jhMikeSamiconn: define *immediately*
22:48:40amiconnImmediately after the rockbox logo disappears, and the browser or main menu appears (depending on the setting)
22:49:12amiconnI.e. within the same second
22:49:14jhMikeSso you'll see the menu then it crashes?
22:49:19LloreanBagder: If they might all be AMS chips, maybe now that we've had a "relationship" with AMS in the past, we can talk them into some sheets without having to send personal representatives since we've shown we aren't going to run off and paste them all over the internets.
22:49:26amiconnThe crash is different all the time
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22:49:42BagderLlorean: yes, I agree that it feels like this has a slighter higher chance
22:49:48LloreanAt least, better than PP
22:50:00amiconnHave seen data aborts in low ram, in IRAM, illegal instructions at non-existing memory addresses, various panics, and simple freezes
22:50:29amiconnOne time I even had panic: <hex number> (don't remember the number exactly)
22:51:05*jhMikeS will investigate and won't write off having done something completely retarded just yet :p
22:52:13amiconnThe nasty thing about this bug is that it might disappear just by adding some code that should help tracking the bug down
22:52:47preglowthat sounds pretty much like a cache issue
22:52:54jhMikeSI've had those ones plenty of times.
22:52:58amiconnIf all else fails, I'll probably start trying all svn revisions from August till now, in steps of 10 or so
22:53:10jhMikeSthreading code doesn't give much time to forgive mistakes
22:53:17amiconnBut why would there be cache issues if it's single core so far?
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22:53:45jhMikeSthe cache is disabled on 5002?
22:53:51amiconnOf course not
22:54:07amiconnRockbox would be unusably slow if it were
22:54:20amiconnEven a broken cache is way better than no cache
22:54:22jhMikeShmmm...then it must be flushed before loading things but no maintenence code exists
22:54:37jhMikeSflush after loading even
22:54:41jhMikeSand invalidated
22:55:13amiconnHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, true
22:55:20amiconnThat needs investigation...
22:55:41amiconnYou think that it might be "just" that missing cache handling?
22:55:47jhMikeSinstruction prefetch could prefetch invalid opcodes
22:56:03jhMikeSamiconn: it usually acts that way when not doing it right
22:56:07bertrikZagor: just ran the test again to be sure, but the result is the same
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22:57:31Zagorbertrik: I don't suppose you can snoop usb while running that test?
22:58:09amiconnZagor: What tests are currently done?
22:58:35Zagoramiconn: it's a test program. result:">
22:58:43amiconnI remember that I found an usb snoop program for windows
22:59:03amiconnSo if that usb test program exists for windows too, it could be snooped...
22:59:17Zagoramiconn: yeah but iirc it replaces some part of the driver layer, which apparently the test program does too...
22:59:25bertrikZagor: I highly doubt it, but I can make a snoop from the normal windows driver
23:01:03amiconnpreglow: weird... no slowdown from your iram stuff removal commit, even the opposite (very slight speedup)
23:01:19amiconnOn PP5002 that is. 340%->345%
23:01:22Zagorbertrik: oh, i'm a fool. GET_CONFIGURATION does not refer to "get configuration descriptor", but obviously the GET_CONFIGURATION command which I haven't implemented...
23:01:33amiconn(wb q4 vbr)
23:01:40ZagorI'll add it immediately
23:02:12preglowamiconn: well, weird, but pp often is weird when it comes to iram
23:02:40jhMikeSamiconn: given that the scheduler is basically a linked list manager, mistakes there would most likely cause rockbox to not boot or die quickly on every target within seconds...if you're lucky. Cleary not happening regardless of core number.
23:02:43amiconnThe speedup might be from the speex sync though
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23:03:16preglowamiconn: probably
23:03:54bertrikZagor: while playing with the stack I got the impression that a control endpoint stall does not work correctly.
23:03:54*amiconn reverts that one revision to see the net effect of the iram removal
23:04:12bertrikby the way, your code indeed looks nice and clean
23:04:22preglowthe speex sync should give some speedup thanks to memcpy and memset use
23:04:27Zagorbertrik: aha, ok. thanks.
23:04:40jmspeexpreglow: did you check the difference in code size?
23:04:58*jhMikeS had plenty of opportunities to see the results of mistakes is list management
23:07:32jhMikeSit basically consists of threads ending up abandoned and never running again...never aborts or hard freezes
23:07:35amiconnpreglow: Speed directly before iram removal was 347%
23:08:03amiconnSo there is in fact a very little speed loss from that removal
23:10:36preglowjmspeex: it was minimal, around -100bytes for arm, +100 bytes for coldfire
23:11:17preglowamiconn: and after, sans the sync?
23:11:19*jhMikeS wants to bury his head in the mpegplayer sandbox again to get that more or less done
23:11:50*amiconn would like to see some PP5002 dualcore work happening
23:12:00Bagderput in a digested way =>
23:12:32***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:12:42jhMikeSamiconn: not much to that other than proper cache handling. I think I have to avoid mailbox use on 5002 but that's easy.
23:13:05preglowjhMikeS: why?
23:13:07amiconnpreglow: I don't know. It went 340% (somewhere last week when I put the filters in iram) -> 347% (speex svn sync) -> 345% (iram removal)
23:13:28jhMikeSpreglow: I don't think 5002 has any. :\
23:13:39preglowso the mem* usage did its trick
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23:15:37rp-Bagder: i think the AS3525 was the chip, they(AMS) showed us in some prototype player
23:15:58Bagderseems likely, yes
23:16:13Bagderbut they do have other SoCs too
23:16:25advcomp2019Bagder, how about the sansa clip
23:16:35BagderI didn't look at that
23:16:57jhMikeSso basically it's 1) no swp(b) use (already available via the PP5020 stuff) 2) no mailbox use (no problemo) 3) cache handling (needs some re)
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23:17:21rp-and in the past at least our contact person was interested in porting rockbox to the that chip
23:17:26amiconnZagor: I thing the MaxPacketSize values ate in hex
23:17:40lusk_er...hi :) I'm new
23:17:52Bagderrp-: you think you can contact them and see if there's any chance to get docs for it?
23:17:53lusk_just got a sansa e250R yesterday 20 bucks cheaper
23:18:05amiconnAnd then 0x40 and 0x200 do make sense
23:18:15Zagoramiconn: that's what I thought too, but later it says: "Illegal high speed bulk endpoint MaxPacketSize : 40 A High speed Bulk endpoint must have a MaxPacketSize of 0x200."
23:18:51rp-actually the contact, wanted to contact me, after a business trip to the US, but he never mailed me.
23:18:57amiconnYeah, but it tells many values in hex without 0x prefix
23:19:05lusk_anyway. I can't get rockbox to work
23:19:11rp-i will try to contact him and get the docs
23:19:12lusk_i read the manual and the forum
23:19:18amiconnLike "Device Qualifier device class : ff" and "Device qualifier length : a"
23:19:26Zagoramiconn: ah, indeed
23:19:34advcomp2019lusk_, what version have the firmware do you have on it
23:19:34lusk_:\ but it did switch to er... e200p? I think or somethign
23:19:51lusk_Where would I find that out?
23:20:05amiconnAlso "Interface descriptor bInterfaceProtocol assigned by the USB-IF : 50" That's clearly 0x50 == SCSI
23:20:17advcomp2019lusk_, menu then settings then info
23:20:28Zagoramiconn: yeah, and "Configuration descriptor bmAttributes : 80"
23:21:21lusk_see. i wanted to replace rhapsody. I'm not paying for nothing
23:21:33lusk_i payed for my mp3 player isn't that good enough?
23:21:34advcomp2019lusk_, you have a v2
23:21:42lusk_:( awww
23:21:48Zagormaybe I should use control endpoints instead. they look the same for high speed and full speed...
23:21:51lusk_I rea don the forum about that. :\ so nothing I can do
23:22:08lusk_*read on
23:22:41lusk_or seperate instruction :)
23:23:49jhMikeSproduct bried states PP5002 supports AC97 + I2S audio codecs...I guess packed samples should be doable there too
23:24:31bertrikZagor: yes, the full/high speed stuff is confusing. This afternoon I tried to limit USB to full-speed by filling in a 1.10 version and advertising only 64-byte packets, but somehow the verifier program can still detect that the device actually uses high-speed (maybe the hub tells it)
23:25:20amiconnPut an USB1.1 hub in between...
23:25:22jhMikeShmmm...says it can clock up to 90MHz too
23:25:27lusk_well that sucks. so is there anything free that could replace rhapsody? that you guys would know of. that would work on my mp3 player
23:25:30bertrikMy low-level USB experience so far is limited to full-speed devices
23:25:43amiconnjhMikeS: Yes it can. We just use 80MHz maximum atm
23:26:49jhMikeS"Portal Player's extensive systems experience"'t know it from the results
23:27:07amiconnhehe :/
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23:27:20lusk_hello? is this thing on
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23:27:44advcomp2019lusk_, yea what do you need
23:27:53webguest34Hey guys, can anyone help me with a question I have?
23:28:09lusk_well. I wanted to know. so it won't work on my v2 e250R?
23:28:10Zagorbertrik: setting bit 24 in REG_PORTSC1 forces the controller to be full-speed only
23:28:18karashatawebguest34: just ask
23:28:22lusk_and if anyone knows of something that wuold. that could replace rhapsody
23:28:38webguest34does anyone know of any drivers for rockbox?
23:28:43Lloreanlusk_: No, it won't work. And no, there's not another replacement.
23:29:10bertrikwebguest34: you mean USB drivers? USB has just been added and doesn't fully work yet
23:29:12lusk_I hate rhapsody though :(
23:29:15krazykitwebguest34, what do you mean, drivers for rockbox? the players with usb support show up as standard external drives
23:29:39lusk_how do I uninstall it. or did i just like break my mp3 player but doing this
23:29:42Zagorwebguest34: Ignore driver popups from Windows, it's a cludge to enable full-power charging. you still have to reboot to OF for file transfer.
23:30:03webguest34because I just installed rockbox on my sansa e250, and now windows is saying that it is a rockbox player and not a sansa player, so it won't install/recognize it as an external drive
23:30:05advcomp2019lusk_, uninstall what
23:30:11linuxstb_Bagder: Looking at the m200 "v2" firmware, it seems unencrypted to me - there's ARM code at 0x400, plus lots of strings...
23:30:27lusk_it changed my players version
23:30:33Bagderlinuxstb_: the 4.1.08 ?
23:30:35lusk_to like e200p or something.
23:30:50lusk_and now usb only works in manufacture mode.
23:30:52*jhMikeS gets scared if anyone would think to use PP stuff in life-sustaining equipment
23:30:53webguest34it's looking for drivers for a rockbox player, and not a sansa, so it's not letting me do anything with it
23:31:04krazykitwebguest34, unplug your sansa, turn it off, and then plug in the usb cable
23:31:05Zagorwebguest34: read what I just wrote to you
23:31:09linuxstb_Bagder: Yes.
23:31:43BagderI see them too
23:31:57Bagderyou're right, thanks
23:32:03advcomp2019lusk_, just delete the files.. plus you do not need to use rhapsody tho.. i could talk to you in a pm but you are not register to freenode
23:32:24lusk_i'm registered to the rockbox forum
23:32:38*jhMikeS thinks up a B-movie script where an old guy that gets a pacemaker using a PP chip and wakes up as a C0EDBABE
23:32:39webguest34thanks guys, you have been a big help
23:32:50lusk_got msn?
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23:34:18advcomp2019lusk_, yea but this is off the topic for this channel
23:34:48lusk_>_> wel lthen how do you suggest I continue this convorsation. duh.
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23:35:15lusk_its not popping up under my computer. I think i f'd up my mp3 player. that sucks. warrenty doesn't cover something like this
23:35:35preglowjhMikeS: b-movie porn, by the sound of it
23:37:05bertriklusk_: so rockbox works fine, but you can't get back to the original firmware?
23:37:18lusk_turns out i have a v2
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23:38:09advcomp2019lusk_, you can join into #anythingbutipod if you want to talk more
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23:38:38bertrikZagor: I'll run the test again and let you know
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23:39:04jhMikeSpreglow: ah, yes...let us keep developing the screenplay, produce it and make it the new test flick.
23:40:18lusk_i got disconnected or soemthing. anyway I have a v2. and manually installed that first file thing. changed it to e200P or something.
23:40:54linuxstb_Bagder: The m200 firmware is also padded up to exactly 5MB with dead beef... ;)
23:41:16advcomp2019lusk_, no but you can join into #anythingbutipod or #rockbox-community if you want to talk more
23:41:52lusk_well. this is still a talk about technical stuff
23:41:57lusk_because now I want to uninstall it
23:42:16*preglow sees polish notation
23:42:17Bagderlusk_: how did you install anything if it is a v2?
23:42:23lusk_i dunno
23:42:33PaulJamlusk_: "that first file thing" <- if you expect help maybe it would help if you describe more accureate what exactly you did to get your player in that state.
23:42:35lusk_I don't even know if it is v2
23:42:36Bagderlusk_: you don't know how you installed?
23:42:51Bagderlusk_: does it say v2 on the back?
23:42:51lusk_Well I right clicked -> manual install
23:43:12Bagderright clicked on what?
23:43:27linuxstb_Bagder: There's another ams reference (in utf-16) at 0x37170 - austrianmicrosystems AS3525/27 Demo Player
23:43:57advcomp2019Bagder, he has sansa firmware 3.01.11A
23:44:12Zagorlinuxstb_: heh, not much question then
23:44:43jhMikeSwe have another port coming this week?
23:45:17Bagderthey seem to use a lib called emcpp
23:46:20bertrikZagor: test result for 15797 uploaded
23:46:47rp-if i remember correctly AMS said, they buyed some OS from some german company for their prototype player
23:47:30Bagderthe emcpp is more of a set of libs, not a full OS. At least by the look of their site
23:47:43Zagorbertrik: odd how the two first tests now swapped failed/passed status...
23:48:06BagderjhMikeS: well, there's still a lack of info (and docs of course)...
23:48:34bertrikCan you detect an USB reset? I think you should reset the configuration state in that case as well
23:48:42amiconnZagor: Won't that size change break compatibility to usb1.1 hosts?
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23:49:11advcomp2019Bagder, have you looked at the clip.. is it the same way
23:49:16sp_chimptrillian messed uop sorry
23:49:30sp_chimpO.o well i'm lusk. was I being banned?
23:50:00sp_chimpok lol. good. I don't think I did anything wrong
23:50:01Zagoramiconn: yes, but technically it doesn't matter since we don't exchange any data. we were in violation of the 2.0 spec with 64, so it's "pick your poison" :)
23:50:26ZagorI'll implement the proper handling soon
23:50:27Bagderadvcomp2019: seen any pics of its internals or a firmware upgrade file for it?
23:50:35sp_chimpBut. anyway. I manualy installed the driver. by right click on the .inf
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23:50:42bertrikminor nitpick: you CAN have 64 byte packets with USB2.0, just not at high speed as far as I understand
23:50:55sp_chimpand it turned my mp3 player into a E200P instead of E250R.
23:51:13PaulJamsp_chimp: so the issue is on the PC side?
23:51:18Zagorbertrik: ah, right. I keep using the wrong words
23:51:25sp_chimpI don't really know
23:51:34sp_chimpi got that lisb thing. I read somewhere on the forums about that
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23:52:07sp_chimpits never once asked me for drivers. hence the manual install. also does it look any different when in manufacture mode?
23:52:19advcomp2019Bagder, here is some clip info..
23:52:34*jhMikeS never needed any drivers other than the MM driver on XP
23:53:35sp_chimpi've tried that e200rpatcher several times. its never found it
23:53:45Bagderadvcomp2019: yes, it certainly looks very similar so it could certainly be of the same kind
23:53:48Zagorbertrik: do you have any idea what "Devices must support being set to Addressed/Configured state" means? how does the host set my state?
23:53:53sp_chimpso i think I screwed up on the first step by manualing install
23:54:25linuxstb_Bagder: Also, there seems to be no differences between the A and E firmwares - apart from some time strings in the firmwares, and an "A" vs "E" in the header - the E firmware was compiled 14 minutes after the A firmware...
23:54:40*jhMikeS did manual install using sansapatcher + MM drivers only on e200r. shouldn't give any trouble.
23:54:52Zagorbertrik: hmm "device deconfigured" the state diagram says. set_configuration(0) ?
23:55:05sp_chimpso get this sansapatcher your saying
23:55:27jhMikeSsp_chimp: follow the Wiki direction to the letter and it should work smoothly
23:55:33sp_chimpdid I screw up by doing it the way I did. with right click -> install on the .inf
23:55:40Zagorbertrik: ah, that's it. "If the configuration value is zero, the device is placed in its Address state." reading the docs help sometimes :)
23:55:42PaulJamsp_chimp: have you tried to uninstall the driver in the device manager on your pc? does your sansa work on a different pc? to me it sounds like you didn't actually modified anything on the sansa itself.
23:55:49bertrikaddressed state is just after host sent set_address I think
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23:56:16jhMikeSwindows will ask for the driver once in MM
23:56:42sp_chimppauljam: well it change the name to E200P. and for some odd reason it must be in manufacture mode to even like pop up in my computer
23:56:52Zagorbertrik: yeah but I was confused by the "backwards" state-setting
23:56:57sp_chimpI can plug it in usb. but it doesn't show anything on the computer
23:57:00bertrikZagor: the test suite is a bit harder on the device than windows i think, so it tests more cases than you would normally see.
23:57:25sp_chimpOoooh wait a second here. fine print I see the v2 :\
23:57:32sp_chimpwell now its a matter of uninstalling
23:57:36Zagorbertrik: yeah, but that's good. different OSes have different quirks, and this is a much better way to test than trying different OSes
23:57:44linuxstb_jhMikeS: I assume you mean "e200rpatcher", not "sansapatcher" if you used the MM drivers?
23:57:49jhMikeSsp_chimp: plug it with hold on+select held
23:57:52bertrikZagor: funny thing is that many of my bought USB devices don't even pass the test.
23:58:05jhMikeSlinuxstb_: yes :)
23:58:19Zagorbertrik: yeah that's a common curse among the linux usb team. lots of devices are written/tested for windows only.
23:58:24bertrik(the original firmware did pass all chapter 9 tests, to my surprise :) )
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23:58:41sp_chimpwell nvm then if its v2
23:58:59sp_chimphow do I uninstall. like where did the files go to?

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