| 00:00:21 | stripwax_ | would be neat if the current value could pop up (like a 'tooltip') on some other part of the screen |
| 00:00:22 | nanok_ | maybe one compromise that might help would be to only display the value when the cursor (selector line) is on the entry |
| 00:00:24 | n1s | IMHO it could work to display the current value of a setting right justified at the end of the line IF the text was short enough to not scroll |
| 00:00:32 | nanok_ | stripwax_: :) |
| 00:00:37 | stripwax_ | :) |
| 00:01:30 | safetydan | n1s: viewports :) |
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| 00:01:59 | pixelma | n1s: you can't guarantee that on all screens and too much space between looks weird too (IMO) |
| 00:02:11 | pixelma | screens + font size |
| 00:02:28 | nanok_ | stripwax_: actually trying to reserve a few pixels on the bottom, or something like that for this woul actually sound more douable (the rest would be handled by effectively resizing the screen in which the menu entryes can apear, and scrolling), it wouldn;t be as neat as having them aside each entry, but it might just work decently on any target without a lot of "hardcoding" |
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| 00:02:59 | Llorean | n1s: Why not do like the one patch did, and draw a second line below the setting line that shows the current value, but only do that for the highlighted one? |
| 00:03:36 | n1s | pixelma: that's what I mean it would only diplay for lines that do not scroll but I guess that would look weird too... |
| 00:03:51 | n1s | Llorean: yeah, didn't look into that but it sounds nice |
| 00:04:00 | jhMikeS | amiconn: so when else did this happen? I don't think I see it on the table currently other that over the last four commits. |
| 00:04:18 | pixelma | n1s: yeah, that would also be confusing |
| 00:04:32 | Llorean | n1s: That way it doesn't really matter how long the setting name is, but at the same time it doesn't halve the number of items you can list by showing it for all of 'em |
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| 00:05:07 | n1s | Llorean: it also doesn't make it as fast to get a quick overview |
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| 00:05:44 | Llorean | I think few people care about the values of all the settings |
| 00:05:57 | Llorean | But you can scroll through a list and "skim" the values a lot quicker than pressing Select on each of them |
| 00:06:02 | stripwax_ | Llorean - would that work better (or worse) than just showing the current value at the bottom of the screen? |
| 00:06:12 | Llorean | stripwax_: I think it'd look a bit nicer |
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| 00:06:22 | n1s | Llorean: yep, it's indeed an improvement over our current system imo |
| 00:06:27 | Llorean | The value is immediately below the highlighted line, so your eyes are focused in the right area already |
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| 00:06:34 | nanok_ | Llorean: i agree, the main issue here i think is having to press two bottons to see the current value (like right to enter, left to go back) |
| 00:06:59 | Llorean | nanok_: Honestly, *I* could care less. I know the value of basically every setting I've changed anyway. :) |
| 00:07:04 | Llorean | But I see how it would be nice. |
| 00:08:04 | pixelma | I like the tooltip idea, my phone does something like that and it's quite nice |
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| 00:08:55 | Llorean | pixelma: Maybe if you stop scrolling on the line, *then* it inserts a line below it with the current value? |
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| 00:09:13 | nanok_ | it would surely be nice as an option. for instance i use small fonts (similar to the default with rockbox), and on my particular target (e200), i rarely run out of space for menus, so an extra line for the highlighted entry would surely be no problem |
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| 00:10:26 | nanok_ | maybe someone can do this, and we could have it as a "off by default" option, and see how people get along with it for a while?.. |
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| 00:12:44 | PaulJam | I think showing the value directly below the current line would look bad when you scroll thriough a list where not all entrys are settings. so the menu would jump around when you highlight a setting and tehn a submenu. |
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| 00:13:28 | Llorean | PaulJam: Perhaps an appropriate solution would be to put the Submenus at the top of the list then? |
| 00:13:31 | Llorean | Much like folders come before files |
| 00:14:28 | amiconn | jhMikeS: *all* commits in the table that have the slightest delta show the effect... |
| 00:14:28 | PaulJam | Llorean: and what about those setting that arent really settings, like "reset backdrop" |
| 00:14:50 | nanok_ | or maybe anything which is not a setting can be excluded from this behaviour alltogether (allthough i am not sure how easy that would be currently), or am i missunderstanding the problem? |
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| 00:15:25 | Llorean | PaulJam: There are very few of those, and they can just go last? |
| 00:15:38 | Llorean | nanok_: His objection is "It wouldn't look good" |
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| 00:16:18 | PaulJam | Llorean: but this wouldn't really solve the jumping when you scroll from one kind to another. |
| 00:16:21 | JdGordon | what are we talking about? |
| 00:16:56 | nanok_ | Llorean: i get it, i am not sure if he means it would expand in case of submenus and make a mess, or just that there would be nothing to show, which would make it inconsistent. honestly i would be perfectly ok with the later |
| 00:17:39 | Llorean | PaulJam: Since you still move one entry per 'step' I don't know if it'd be as much a problem as you think it is. The only way to know for sure is to try it |
| 00:17:51 | nanok_ | JdGordon: the discussion started by me mentioning having values for settings where possible, inline (without hitting select) |
| 00:18:16 | PaulJam | i guess if it would expand even if there is nothing to show it would be alright. |
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| 00:18:31 | Llorean | PaulJam: I think that would look even worse. |
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| 00:18:39 | Llorean | PaulJam: Expansion wouldn't affect scrolling, it would just be a visual effect... |
| 00:18:49 | JdGordon | nanok_: ah ok. as long as they arnt done how the set rating one was done... that was horrible |
| 00:19:05 | amiconn | JdGordon: Btw, the table settings code was almost ok, just 3 small quirks which are fixed in svn: (1) you forgot to store the callback, so it didn't work. (2) you used the same bit twice, causing crashes for sound settings. I moved the 2 additional bits one bit up. (3) there was an off-by-one error that caused the first value to be displayed twice if it was the selected one |
| 00:19:44 | amiconn | Llorean: I think a popup would look better than expansion |
| 00:19:51 | nanok_ | JdGordon: i have no idea. i understand this is not the first time this is duscussed, and that there have even been some patches which were not acceptable. we are trying (i think) to figure out what would work decently |
| 00:20:08 | JdGordon | amiconn: k, just keeping you on your toes :) |
| 00:20:26 | DrCrow_ | /msg nickserv link DrCrow hardisk |
| 00:20:40 | DrCrow_ | crap |
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| 00:20:49 | Llorean | amiconn: Something like a splash-on-hover? |
| 00:21:01 | amiconn | My current mobile phone expands the highlighted line (to use a larger font) - that feels rather odd... |
| 00:21:45 | amiconn | Llorean: Yes, but "connected" to the selector, i.e. in the next line (or previous if there is no next line on screen) |
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| 00:22:02 | nanok_ | amiconn: i think that is somehow mac-borrowed (not to say mac disease :) ) for gui's |
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| 00:23:53 | * | nanok_ 's current mobile phone wouldn;t be able to spell "expand " on one line |
| 00:23:58 | nanok_ | :) |
| 00:24:39 | nanok_ | i have to do something about this ; versus ' problem, drives me insane :( |
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| 00:36:01 | pixelma | uhmm... nice new wiki user :/ |
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| 01:16:48 | Traveler8 | having trouble adding plugins, am I supposed to change a makefile, because I don't see any other plugin files in the makefile in the plugin folder |
| 01:17:13 | scorche | what do you mean by "adding plugins" ? |
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| 01:17:38 | scorche | is this a new plugin that you have made? |
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| 01:18:19 | safetydan | Traveler8: you need to add the name of the plugin source file to apps/plugins/SOURCES |
| 01:20:28 | Traveler8 | okay thanks safety dan |
| 01:20:41 | Traveler8 | didn't make a plugin yet, just toying with hello.c |
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| 01:40:17 | Skail | anyone here to advise on a compiling problem? |
| 01:40:51 | krazykit | you don't need to ask to ask. |
| 01:41:03 | jhMikeS | hrm...the erronous battery readout on 3g is exactly timed with disk activity...no disk activity = no readout :\ |
| 01:42:17 | Skail | from kernel.c : firmware/target/arm/system-arm.h , impossible constraint in 'asm' |
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| 01:42:50 | jhMikeS | Skail: which line? |
| 01:42:59 | Skail | 119 |
| 01:43:40 | jhMikeS | different O settings/compiler? |
| 01:43:56 | Skail | thing is, I'm fine with the binary I installed on the device - I just want to write/work on plugins |
| 01:44:20 | Skail | I followed the Gentoo section for setting up cross compiler, |
| 01:44:47 | Skail | but I'm not to familiar with using gcc in this way |
| 01:45:07 | jhMikeS | that one always seems to come biting...presumably due to some optimization deal with an inline functions and the "i" constraints |
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| 01:47:39 | jhMikeS | try adding "static inline int set_interrupt_status(int status, int mask) __attribute__((always_inline));" |
| 01:47:53 | jhMikeS | just above the function definition itself |
| 01:49:35 | Skail | same |
| 01:49:56 | Skail | err |
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| 01:51:30 | Skail | is there an older/more-likely-to-compile tarball? I'm just wanting to do plugins, if that makes a difference |
| 01:52:22 | jhMikeS | It generally seems likely to compile as evidenced by the build table, however, some change needs to be found that keep that function from being a problem |
| 01:52:51 | jhMikeS | could be converted to a macro but that's just nasty imo |
| 01:54:26 | jhMikeS | mind trying one other thing? |
| 01:54:56 | Skail | not at all |
| 01:55:00 | Skail | I really want this to work :) |
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| 01:56:16 | jhMikeS | replace it like this: http://rafb.net/p/EHIxgs60.html |
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| 01:57:13 | jhMikeS | one small change, change "(status & mask)" to "((status) & (mask))" |
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| 01:58:23 | safetydan | Skail: hang on, did you use rockboxdev.sh to get your cross compilers? |
| 01:59:01 | Skail | no... followed the thing under "gentoo" |
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| 01:59:44 | jhMikeS | safetydan: I still think this should work in any case |
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| 02:00:01 | danef | hi to all - is anyone here an expert with RB on the Sansa e200 series? |
| 02:00:03 | Skail | same result. |
| 02:00:16 | safetydan | Skail: which thing under gentoo? One of the Rockbox wiki pages? |
| 02:00:27 | jhMikeS | only thing you can do then is change the i's to r's |
| 02:00:33 | safetydan | jhMikeS: don't we have some patches applied to gcc that might make a difference to this? |
| 02:00:55 | Skail | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 02:01:02 | krazykit | danef, it's easier to simply ask your question |
| 02:01:17 | jhMikeS | We do have patches and this function seems to be problematic with unpatched ones iiuc |
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| 02:02:02 | safetydan | jhMikeS: the gentoo instructions don't mention patching the compilers, so maybe that's the problem here |
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| 02:02:22 | jhMikeS | if a macro is giving the same result, that's definitely a bug |
| 02:02:59 | Skail | cool, it passes kernel.c now.. errors on LD rockbox.elf |
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| 02:03:03 | jhMikeS | the "i,i" constraint is always passed as an int constant so I'd say GCC is borked |
| 02:03:39 | safetydan | Skail: if you continue to have compile problems, try using the compilers build by rockboxdev.sh instead |
| 02:04:20 | danef | Hi - I am using RB on a sansa e260. When I play photos or mpegs the backlight trips off almost immediately regardless of any backlight setting I use in the setting menu. Any ideas? |
| 02:04:52 | safetydan | danef: I think someone recently reported that as a bug. |
| 02:05:42 | danef | ahh ok thanks - i didn't spot it in the bug section - i'll look closer. |
| 02:06:20 | * | Skail is hesitant to patch gcc |
| 02:06:28 | safetydan | Skail: the script takes care of it for you |
| 02:06:48 | Skail | that's why I'm hesitant |
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| 02:06:53 | Llorean | Skail: You're not patching your system GCC, just the cross-compiler ones. |
| 02:07:22 | jhMikeS | gcc cross is definitely bugged if it's not handling that function properly |
| 02:07:29 | jhMikeS | or macro |
| 02:08:07 | Skail | the script doesn't seem to be working anyways |
| 02:08:29 | safetydan | Skail: it should work. What error are you getting? |
| 02:09:07 | Skail | its asking for "File to patch:" |
| 02:09:23 | Skail | ugh |
| 02:09:40 | Skail | not finding binutils tarballs, probably it |
| 02:10:01 | safetydan | hrm, it should download those for you |
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| 02:10:50 | Skail | aha... seems the download failed.. |
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| 02:12:05 | Traveler8 | okay, able to compile/add rocks now. now I gotta really dive into the source :D |
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| 02:12:34 | Skail | lol, that's where I want to be :) |
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| 02:44:25 | Skail | well.. still doesn't build with the script-made compiler |
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| 02:50:53 | safetydan | Skail: are you compiling the latest source from SVN? Are you sure the rockboxdev.sh compilers are being used (i.e. they're first in the PATH ahead of the gentoo ones you built earlier)? |
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| 02:51:37 | Skail | they're first in the path, yes |
| 02:51:47 | Skail | <- trying something else.. |
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| 02:55:41 | san|chez | hey whats up |
| 02:57:17 | Skail | I got it to build the plugins - that's good enough, at least for now - thanks for all the help, guys |
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| 02:59:38 | safetydan | Skail: you could always try just building the simulator. That will use your normal system compiler. Obviously you wont be able to use the plugins built this way on your target, but at least you can test stuff. |
| 02:59:40 | san|chez | anyone know much about the 3G Ipod problems ? |
| 02:59:55 | safetydan | san|chez: which problems? |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:05 | san|chez | well |
| 03:00:10 | san|chez | it says battery is low recharge |
| 03:00:38 | san|chez | so i tried getting it to recharge and it kept rebooting and saying that without actually charging, then i fnially got it fully charged and rebooted into Rockbox and then it just said battery low and shut off but i charged the battery |
| 03:00:55 | safetydan | san|chez: ah that one. I think someone is looking into it but no idea how far along they are |
| 03:01:04 | san|chez | ah ok |
| 03:01:30 | safetydan | jhMikeS: are you the one looking at the 3g battery issue? |
| 03:01:33 | san|chez | :( |
| 03:02:55 | Skail | safetydan: I have built the sim already :) |
| 03:03:27 | jhMikeS | safetydan: I'm trying to but don't really know what's up. I have to disable poweroff just to work on stuff. I'll hopefully get a clue somehow. :) |
| 03:04:19 | safetydan | jhMikeS: cool. Was there a recent change that exposed this problem or has it always been there? |
| 03:05:31 | jhMikeS | noone seems to know where it crept in. if it's not that, it's the various exceptions at startup. |
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| 03:52:34 | Hammer89 | does anyone know if SanDisks new firmware causes issues with Rockbox? |
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| 03:57:28 | thunderfox5 | hi there |
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| 04:06:49 | advcomp2019 | Hammer89, no.. it is new hardware inside them |
| 04:07:25 | Hammer89 | so I can update the OF on my e200 and reinstall Rockbox with no issues? |
| 04:09:01 | advcomp2019 | Hammer89, why do you need to update the OF since it is only for file transfers |
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| 04:10:05 | Hammer89 | well... batt runtime is still better on the OF from what I can tell... other than that, no reason in particular... do you know what the latest update to the OF changed/added? |
| 04:13:14 | advcomp2019 | Hammer89, rockbox do not know what they change in OF and rockbox does not need to know since rockbox does not use any part of the OF in their c code |
| 04:16:02 | Hammer89 | I understand that... though I'd imagine they need to keep up on it in case Sandisk decides to release a new bootloader or something |
| 04:16:24 | Hammer89 | I was asking more out of curiosity than out of a need for technical advice |
| 04:20:44 | krazykit | Hammer89, if it isn't broken, don't fix it ;) |
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| 04:22:18 | Hammer89 | krazykit: good advice; but does anyone ever really follow it? |
| 04:22:22 | Hammer89 | ;) |
| 04:24:10 | krazykit | if they did, the world would be a happier place. |
| 04:25:02 | Hammer89 | nah... it'd be boring :) |
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| 04:30:14 | thunderfox5 | hi. maybe you can help me |
| 04:30:21 | thunderfox5 | I have an iPod 5G |
| 04:30:21 | psycho_maniac | ask already |
| 04:30:31 | psycho_maniac | and the enter button is not a space bar |
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| 04:31:03 | thunderfox5 | and Im trying to make some changes on the code, to make the menus easier to use |
| 04:31:26 | thunderfox5 | where can I find the source code for the menu captions and the click wheel speed? |
| 04:32:06 | thunderfox5 | plus, I did SVN checkout and I'm missing a rockboxlogo.h file |
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| 04:40:16 | safetydan | thunderfox5: the logo file is created when you build |
| 04:41:01 | safetydan | you probably want to look at the gui code for the menu (under apps/gui) and the wheel driver for the speed (somewhere under firmware/drivers) |
| 04:41:22 | thunderfox5 | thanks for that info |
| 04:41:30 | thunderfox5 | about that missing file problem |
| 04:41:33 | thunderfox5 | this is what i get |
| 04:41:53 | thunderfox5 | CC alarm_menu.c |
| 04:41:53 | thunderfox5 | In file included from alarm_menu.c:32: |
| 04:41:53 | thunderfox5 | recorder/icons.h:30:25: error: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory |
| 04:42:21 | thunderfox5 | isn't that file supposed to come with the rest of the source? |
| 04:42:52 | psycho_maniac | did you try the svn up command? i think when your missing a file and you try that it will download the file you are missing. |
| 04:43:13 | thunderfox5 | I can try that, but won't that erase any changes I have made to the code? |
| 04:43:46 | safetydan | thunderfox5: no, it will merge them |
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| 04:46:33 | thunderfox5 | doesn't work :( |
| 04:46:38 | thunderfox5 | say this: |
| 04:46:39 | thunderfox5 | Skipped 'svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk' |
| 04:46:40 | thunderfox5 | At revision 15806. |
| 04:47:25 | safetydan | thunderfox5: that's because revision 15806 is the latest version available. |
| 04:47:40 | safetydan | Maybe try doing a make clean followed by running configure again |
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| 04:50:01 | thunderfox5 | does the SVN run on 64 bit or something? |
| 04:50:20 | thunderfox5 | all the binaries on the tools folder had to be recompiled one by one |
| 04:50:40 | thunderfox5 | because I got a lot of "can't execute binary file" errors |
| 04:51:07 | safetydan | Hrm, have you checked out your source tree as a different user from who you're trying to compile as? |
| 04:51:15 | thunderfox5 | nope |
| 04:51:17 | thunderfox5 | I mean |
| 04:51:45 | thunderfox5 | I checked out at college using my work login |
| 04:52:00 | thunderfox5 | and then downloaded from their server through ssh |
| 04:52:03 | safetydan | it sounds like you have some permissions issues preventing the build from working |
| 04:52:12 | safetydan | are the directories writeable by your user? |
| 04:52:16 | thunderfox5 | yep |
| 04:52:27 | thunderfox5 | and I chmod'ed all of them 755 |
| 04:52:28 | safetydan | can the build set executable bits? |
| 04:52:40 | safetydan | odd |
| 04:52:43 | thunderfox5 | (the binaries I mean) |
| 04:53:41 | safetydan | so did make clean work? |
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| 04:55:20 | Nimdae | i'm a bit confused about the new usb stack...wasn't the point to make usb work within rockbox? or have we still not gotten that far? |
| 04:55:40 | safetydan | Nimdae: haven't got that far yet. |
| 04:55:47 | Nimdae | ah ok |
| 04:56:21 | thunderfox5 | I can't build the zip now |
| 04:56:25 | thunderfox5 | oh well |
| 04:56:34 | safetydan | thunderfox5: do you have zip installed? |
| 04:56:40 | thunderfox5 | yup |
| 04:57:15 | safetydan | something seems very wrong with your working copy and build setup then |
| 04:57:32 | thunderfox5 | yup, something strange going on lol |
| 04:57:35 | thunderfox5 | I call it a day |
| 04:57:52 | thunderfox5 | I'll stir this up a bit tomorrow lol |
| 04:58:02 | thunderfox5 | thanks for your help :) |
| 04:58:12 | safetydan | np |
| 04:58:32 | Nimdae | well, in the meantime, is there a way to make rockbox not make windows think a new device is being plugged in every time i plug in my ipod? |
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| 04:59:45 | thunderfox5 | eh safedan |
| 04:59:50 | thunderfox5 | safetydan* |
| 04:59:55 | thunderfox5 | one last note |
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| 05:00:06 | thunderfox5 | I was right |
| 05:00:19 | thunderfox5 | /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.2.1/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `scramble.o' is incompatible with i386 output |
| 05:00:19 | thunderfox5 | /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.2.1/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `iriver.o' is incompatible with i386 output |
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| 05:00:19 | thunderfox5 | /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.2.1/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `mi4.o' is incompatible with i386 output |
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| 05:00:19 | thunderfox5 | /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.2.1/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `gigabeat.o' is incompatible with i386 output |
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| 05:00:21 | thunderfox5 | /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.2.1/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `gigabeats.o' is incompatible with i386 output |
| 05:00:23 | psycho_maniac | Nimdae: that is a problem? lol i thought it was just my stupid computer. |
| 05:00:24 | *** | Alert Mode level 3 |
| 05:00:24 | thunderfox5 | /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.2.1/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `telechips.o' is incompatible with i386 output |
| 05:00:31 | thunderfox5 | the SVN has it's files on x64 arch |
| 05:00:38 | scorche | this is what pastebins are for... |
| 05:00:50 | thunderfox5 | pastebins? |
| 05:00:50 | safetydan | thunderfox5: what files though? There shouldn't be any binary files checked in. The only binaries are ones you've built. |
| 05:00:53 | Nimdae | psycho_maniac: it's something from the new usb stack, for sure |
| 05:01:09 | scorche | thunderfox5: read the guidelines linked int he topic |
| 05:01:11 | thunderfox5 | ooohhhhh |
| 05:01:18 | thunderfox5 | now I understand |
| 05:01:36 | thunderfox5 | must have been the server at college that built these in the first place... |
| 05:01:44 | thunderfox5 | :) |
| 05:01:50 | thunderfox5 | thanks, you helped a lot! |
| 05:02:20 | safetydan | thunderfox5: no probs. Though the make clean should have sorted that out for you |
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| 05:03:34 | thunderfox5 | I did make clean on the tools directory now and it seems to have worked. |
| 05:03:48 | Nimdae | btw, one oddity i found in the script that builds the rockbox build environment...it checks for the existance of "patch", but doesn't seem to check for anything else, like a compiler |
| 05:04:12 | safetydan | Nimdae: when you run configure it checks that the compiler for the architecture is on the path |
| 05:04:34 | Nimdae | i'm talking about rockboxdev.sh |
| 05:04:39 | safetydan | ah |
| 05:04:43 | Nimdae | had to remember the name of the script |
| 05:04:54 | thunderfox5 | oh, when I tried to use the autoconfigure.sh to install the needed files for building |
| 05:04:56 | safetydan | it does check for curl or wget |
| 05:05:05 | Nimdae | yeah |
| 05:05:07 | thunderfox5 | I think that's how it's called |
| 05:05:10 | Nimdae | but it doesn't check for a compiler |
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| 05:05:26 | thunderfox5 | curl kept giving out these Error 500 warnings |
| 05:05:36 | Nimdae | it downloads everything, extracts, patches, attempts to build, fails if there is no compiler, then tells you everything was successful and to set your PATH accordingly |
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| 05:05:52 | thunderfox5 | I switched ftp:// for http:// and it sorted that out |
| 05:05:57 | thunderfox5 | hope it helps anyone. |
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| 05:06:09 | safetydan | Nimdae: well now that's a bug that should be fixed |
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| 05:07:10 | Nimdae | i accidentally discovered it because i reinstalled ubuntu, heh |
| 05:07:24 | Nimdae | which doesn't install a compiler by default |
| 05:07:42 | Nimdae | i'll jump on flyspray and see if it's reported |
| 05:08:33 | Nimdae | ...which seems to be broken |
| 05:08:47 | Nimdae | can i report a bug for the bug tracking tool? >.> |
| 05:09:13 | Nimdae | looks like a corrupt table or something |
| 05:09:59 | safetydan | ah yeah, I think the server's out of disk space at the moment |
| 05:10:05 | Nimdae | doh |
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| 05:10:44 | safetydan | have to wait for Zagor, LinusN, or Bagder to poke the server |
| 05:11:10 | Nimdae | well, it only failed to log in, did a search and didn't see anything for the script |
| 05:11:14 | Nimdae | i'll report it tomorrow |
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| 05:29:02 | psycho_maniac | could you do a battery test in rockbox for playing videos? |
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| 05:41:58 | weswh- | i had rockbox installed, and my brother plugged my ipod into his laptop and installed/opened itunes. does anyone know if itunes nowadays is overwriting the bootloader? |
| 05:42:51 | weswh- | because it is back to normal ipod operation now - but ipod update was never run or anything...all of the music is still there, it's saying firmware 3.11 or something, in the Settings > About |
| 05:44:56 | Traveler8 | you try rebooting it? |
| 05:45:13 | Traveler8 | cause mine booted into original firmware once |
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| 05:49:08 | Traveler8 | for statements can be used in plugins, correct? |
| 05:51:02 | safetydan | Traveler8: yes, it's a standard C construct |
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| 05:52:44 | Traveler8 | okay thanks, figured I'd check before compiling. process takes a while |
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| 06:30:22 | Traveler8 | anyone suggest a resident evil or ghost in the shell rockbox theme/wps? |
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| 07:03:06 | Traveler8 | well its time I go for now, adios |
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| 07:49:59 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The attributed doesn't need its own line. You can also put it between the function type & qualifiers and the name: |
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| 07:51:09 | amiconn | static inline int __attribute__((always_inline)) set_interrupt_status(int status, int mask) __attribute__((always_inline)) { do_something } |
| 07:51:22 | amiconn | Eh |
| 07:51:27 | amiconn | static inline int __attribute__((always_inline)) set_interrupt_status(int status, int mask) { do_something } |
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| 08:09:32 | jhMikeS | amiconn: ah, good to know |
| 08:10:29 | jhMikeS | amiconn: do you think it's right for i2c to be initialized so late in init()? the power thread is created and may in fact run before that is done. |
| 08:11:33 | jhMikeS | I'd think that should be done as a primary init since it's almost as fundamental as the kernel |
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| 08:16:32 | amiconn | Init order is rather difficile |
| 08:16:51 | amiconn | It probably needs checking and thinking on all targets |
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| 08:17:12 | amiconn | We should also document which inits depend on which other init(s) |
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| 08:18:06 | jhMikeS | the power thread could be created in a suspended state and allowed to run later too |
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| 08:20:06 | psycho_maniac | are there any patches needed for testing for the gigabeat or ipod 80g video? |
| 08:20:44 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 08:20:44 | * | jhMikeS gets the feeling he's about to bluescreen in a second :\ |
| 08:20:46 | amiconn | Such a suspended init happens on Ondio: MMC detection is enabled later |
| 08:20:49 | psycho_maniac | actually just the ipod atm. my gigabeat is busy atm. |
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| 08:21:50 | amiconn | The interdependencies being documented would help to avoid effects such as the crashing Video/Nano bootloaders due to backlight needing the krenel (for sleep()) |
| 08:23:33 | jhMikeS | looking at the inits beforehand, it seem odd that i2c needs those (buffer, settings, lcd, remote, font, logo, lang, debug) |
| 08:24:00 | jhMikeS | don't know what to make of serial |
| 08:24:35 | jhMikeS | the power management for pp that uses the i2c needs that first for sure |
| 08:26:45 | SpeedEBikes | Is there any guide to debugging issues that only occur on a target system but don't occur in the simulator? After installing a current build my Sansa e200 screen blanks after about 1 second without input while in the movie player or the system/version screen. This doesn't occur in the simulator. I saw something about JTAG connectors in the archives. Do these allow one to run a Sansa under gdb? |
| 08:27:05 | jhMikeS | amiconn: though this batt level oddness on 3g seems to be some separate issue anyway |
| 08:31:50 | psycho_maniac | is the Rockbox Logo Swapper supported? |
| 08:34:11 | LinusN | no |
| 08:34:29 | psycho_maniac | usually supported stuff is on the wiki correct? |
| 08:34:37 | LinusN | not necessarily |
| 08:34:54 | LinusN | meaning, not all things in the wiki are officially supported |
| 08:35:11 | psycho_maniac | like the LogoSwapper |
| 08:35:40 | LinusN | and it's not clear what "officially supported" means either :-) |
| 08:37:33 | psycho_maniac | correct. |
| 08:38:22 | GodEater | LinusN: to me "officially supported" means it's bad form for us to give up on a problem - whereas "not officially supported" usually appears to mean we wade in to help if we're in a good mood, and then give up when the first thing we thought of doesn't work, replying with "well, it's not supported" :) |
| 08:38:48 | LinusN | well put |
| 08:38:50 | LinusN | :-) |
| 08:38:53 | GodEater | hehe |
| 08:41:17 | LinusN | i like this conclusion in th forum: "Since the Sansa E280 has a FAT partition, I presume it is capable of running Linux?" |
| 08:41:35 | scorche | oh wow... |
| 08:42:03 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 08:42:05 | GodEater | genius |
| 08:42:09 | GodEater | why didn't we think of that ? |
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| 09:28:41 | amiconn | jhMikeS: That pcf driver fix fixes the G3 battery issue I presume? |
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| 09:33:51 | jhMikeS | amiconn: no but it's a possible problematic situation I spotted when looking into it |
| 09:34:37 | jhMikeS | what I really find odd is that it's only the battery level, not the RTC or anything |
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| 09:37:30 | amiconn | Maybe we're using the wrong ADC channel? You said it depends on disk activity... |
| 09:38:54 | jhMikeS | things seem to change in concert with that, yes...no doubt |
| 09:40:31 | jhMikeS | name should explain well enough: http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/pp5002-dual-core.diff (yes it has #define NO_LOW_BATTERY_SHUTDOWN, just so I can work :) |
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| 09:42:11 | jhMikeS | after the initial cycle of disk activity and playing for awhile, the level starts coming back up and appears to operate normally |
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| 09:43:38 | jhMikeS | I guess the filter needs time to settle in part but hmmm |
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| 09:47:30 | jhMikeS | amiconn: btw, I think the problems on pp5002 with these random crashes come from improper use of the control registers. A number of restrictions/steps apply or it will bomb out. |
| 09:49:50 | amiconn | Which control registers? |
| 09:50:03 | jhMikeS | for the processors |
| 09:51:07 | jhMikeS | have to fill the pipeline with nop's before sleeping the core. can't concurrently access the status register. |
| 09:51:32 | pixelma | hmm... I also see this effect on my c200 now which I just read in the logs (people with e200): the backlight turns off in a second if you start mpegplayer or jpegviewer, it comes back on if you press a button but turns off again, one time it stayed on a bit longer... (revision 15806 here) |
| 09:52:17 | * | jhMikeS was having a similar experience here on 3g too in all plugins |
| 09:53:03 | pixelma | maybe these backlight settings commit of yesterday...? |
| 09:53:35 | pixelma | I'll try a daily |
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| 09:54:58 | pixelma | seems to be all plugins that should keep the backlight on all the time |
| 09:56:11 | amiconn | Ah, probably the 'keep backlight running' plugin stuff needs a different value now |
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| 09:57:43 | * | amiconn didn't think of that |
| 09:58:11 | petur | it's all in the plugin helper file |
| 09:58:34 | petur | (plugin lib) |
| 09:58:55 | * | jhMikeS guesses he managed to hit all the bl-on plugins at once |
| 09:58:56 | amiconn | Yes. The 4 '1's in backlight_force_on() need to be changed into '0's |
| 09:59:34 | petur | one change to fix them all :) |
| 09:59:37 | jhMikeS | are there any that don't use that lib yet? |
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| 09:59:51 | petur | I think I converted them all |
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| 10:00:04 | jhMikeS | demystify seems affected |
| 10:00:46 | amiconn | Right now it sets the backlight timeout to 1 second instead of 'always on' |
| 10:01:50 | pixelma | yes, looks like a second |
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| 10:02:30 | petur | well, 1 used to be always on.... |
| 10:02:30 | jhMikeS | from demos: fire, fireworks, oscilloscope, plasma, starfield are affected |
| 10:02:49 | petur | they should all be using the lib, so an easy fix |
| 10:03:33 | JdGordon | flyspray buggered? |
| 10:03:58 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 gives a db error |
| 10:04:32 | petur | only patches seems affected |
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| 10:05:06 | pixelma | I couldn't even watch the tasklist yesterday evening |
| 10:05:07 | petur | all types also goes bananas |
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| 10:05:32 | * | petur triggers Bagder |
| 10:05:51 | pixelma | maybe it's related to the build problems with rbclient on rockbox.org... |
| 10:06:18 | * | Bagder checks |
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| 10:13:45 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The NO_LOW_BATTERY_SHUTDOWN should probably go into config-ipod3g.h for now |
| 10:14:08 | jhMikeS | you think it should actually be disabled in SVN? |
| 10:14:51 | amiconn | Perhaps - unless you manage to find the real problem... |
| 10:15:05 | amiconn | Of course it would be a temporary measure |
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| 10:15:15 | jhMikeS | right now I need to figure out if it's just my battery or something. it's not very strong on this player. |
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| 10:16:26 | jhMikeS | go ahead and say "rtfm" :) but how do you keep rb from connecting USB and doing disk mode on 3g? |
| 10:16:39 | pixelma | it was reported by other people with 3rd gen Ipods, I remember at least one here and one in the forums |
| 10:17:12 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Hold Menu while plugging, as usual |
| 10:17:23 | jhMikeS | thought I tried that...hmmm |
| 10:17:39 | amiconn | (or use a firewire charger, which it will detect as a charger and not go into file mode) |
| 10:17:47 | amiconn | USB doesan't charge on G3 |
| 10:17:58 | jhMikeS | I"m using a firewire connection and Menu doesn't do it |
| 10:18:17 | amiconn | weird |
| 10:25:34 | * | jhMikeS tried every button without success |
| 10:26:40 | Zagor | fw connect doesn't check any buttons |
| 10:27:36 | Zagor | it never did afaict |
| 10:27:42 | amiconn | eh? |
| 10:27:53 | amiconn | There is no separate fw connect |
| 10:27:57 | Zagor | I mean GPIOC_INPUT_VAL & 0x02 |
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| 10:28:37 | Zagor | ah, that's not g3 |
| 10:28:52 | amiconn | The button check happens in the USB thread |
| 10:29:31 | * | jhMikeS sees them in usb_detect for USB |
| 10:29:36 | jhMikeS | for 502x |
| 10:30:01 | Zagor | jhMikeS: there's also usb.c:147 |
| 10:30:22 | amiconn | jhMikeS: For IPOD_3G_PAD (and IPOD_1G2G_PAD), USBPOWER_BUTTON isn't defined |
| 10:30:26 | Zagor | is g3 pp502x? |
| 10:30:29 | amiconn | You can fix that in usb.h |
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| 10:30:48 | jhMikeS | I guess HAVE_USB_POWER must not be defined then |
| 10:30:58 | amiconn | Just add those 2 pads to line 41 |
| 10:31:00 | Zagor | correct, it's not |
| 10:31:29 | amiconn | It should. Firewire is handled like usb in rockbox |
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| 10:34:51 | jhMikeS | well, I'll give it a try and see what happens |
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| 10:48:13 | hasmind | make: //tools/svnversion.sh: Command not found <<< compiling the UIsimulaotr |
| 10:48:25 | hasmind | could someone please help? |
| 10:50:39 | jhMikeS | this random bug still seems to exist. :\ I do know cache handling is fine and sleeping is fine. I wonder if this batt thing is actually related somehow. |
| 10:50:49 | GodEater | hasmind: You're using ubuntu ? |
| 10:51:08 | hasmind | no |
| 10:51:15 | hasmind | cygwin |
| 10:51:30 | GodEater | hasmind: sounds like you didn't do the install right then |
| 10:51:37 | hasmind | aaaw |
| 10:51:39 | GodEater | hasmind: you're missing the build tools |
| 10:51:43 | hasmind | not AGAIN |
| 10:51:53 | hasmind | I got them.. I thought |
| 10:51:58 | hasmind | the elf-gcc ones? |
| 10:52:04 | GodEater | no "make" |
| 10:52:29 | GodEater | hasmind: try typing "which make" |
| 10:52:37 | hasmind | ok |
| 10:52:52 | hasmind | ah |
| 10:52:59 | GodEater | what does that return ? |
| 10:53:11 | hasmind | /usr/bin/make |
| 10:53:24 | GodEater | in that case you *do* have make |
| 10:53:28 | hasmind | yes |
| 10:53:34 | GodEater | and it appears your checkout of source code hasn't completed properly |
| 10:53:40 | hasmind | it works, until it finds svn thingo |
| 10:53:55 | LinusN | do you have perl? |
| 10:54:00 | hasmind | no |
| 10:54:12 | LinusN | then install it |
| 10:54:28 | hasmind | wtf |
| 10:54:31 | hasmind | why? |
| 10:54:42 | hasmind | it worked without perl before |
| 10:55:04 | LinusN | some of the build scripts use perl |
| 10:55:39 | LinusN | hasmind: when did this stop working? |
| 10:55:59 | hasmind | I mean about half a year ago |
| 10:56:03 | hasmind | it worked fine |
| 10:56:17 | hasmind | now I used tortoise svn |
| 10:56:23 | LinusN | on this computer with this account? |
| 10:56:36 | hasmind | yes |
| 10:56:50 | LinusN | it might be a problem with CR/LF |
| 10:56:57 | LinusN | bash is sensitive |
| 10:57:09 | hasmind | hmm |
| 10:57:25 | LinusN | try to check out svn using cygwin |
| 10:57:58 | petur | with tortoise svn, you need to configure cygwin to use native crlf style, not unix style |
| 10:58:24 | hasmind | where do I do that? |
| 10:58:42 | petur | run cygwin setup again, there's a checkbox on the dialog |
| 10:58:43 | LinusN | btw, to avoid problems, you should install all the packages listed in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 10:58:53 | Zagor | will a turned-off ipod turn on if you connect usb? |
| 10:59:05 | LinusN | Zagor: my g5 does |
| 10:59:18 | petur | hasmind: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCygwinAndTortoiseSVN |
| 10:59:24 | hasmind | yep |
| 10:59:32 | hasmind | okay, thanks |
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| 11:00:43 | hasmind | how do you run cygwin with cr+lf? :S |
| 11:01:26 | petur | run cygwin setup again, there is a checkbox for DOS line-ending style |
| 11:01:44 | hasmind | so there is |
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| 11:04:14 | hasmind | what is my makefile MEANT to look like? |
| 11:04:18 | * | pixelma wonders why no new build round was kicked off by the commit but it already appeared on the frontpage... |
| 11:04:19 | hasmind | export VERSION=$(shell $(ROOTDIR)/tools/svnversion.sh $(ROOTDIR)) |
| 11:04:19 | hasmind | ? |
| 11:05:27 | hasmind | My ROOTDIR is set to / isn't it meant to be /rockbox/ ? |
| 11:08:30 | markun | LinusN: do you know what comes after the plugin buffer? I think I'm noticing some memory coruption with very large text files. |
| 11:09:03 | hasmind | my make froze :/ |
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| 11:10:53 | LinusN | markun: the plugin buffer is located at the very end of ram memory, so it might wrap in to the start of ram again |
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| 11:24:45 | pixelma | Zagor: does that mean, the e200 is not rebooting to the OF on USB plug (from running Rockbox)? Just preparing for possible support questions... |
| 11:25:10 | Zagor | yes, exactly |
| 11:27:22 | pixelma | ah - also thanks for triggering a new build round (my commit wasn't picked up somehow...) |
| 11:27:48 | Zagor | :) bagder is looking at it |
| 11:28:14 | pixelma | nice :) |
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| 11:34:06 | markun | LinusN: the dircache gets disabled sometimes, then shutdown doesn't work (until the timeout kicks in) and after booting again I get "committing database" and dircache still doesn't work. One more reboot and it's all fixed again. |
| 11:34:22 | LinusN | nasty |
| 11:34:34 | markun | I'll test some more to see if it can be easily reproduced |
| 11:42:42 | LinusN | is there a reason we don't accept button repeats on the inc/dec of gain etc in the recording screen? |
| 11:43:04 | petur | we don't? |
| 11:43:17 | LinusN | no |
| 11:43:31 | * | petur boots h380 |
| 11:43:43 | LinusN | well, we don't accept ACTION_SETTINGS_DECREPEAT |
| 11:43:47 | petur | works fine here |
| 11:44:22 | petur | ah you mean up/down? |
| 11:44:53 | LinusN | i see the problem now |
| 11:45:01 | petur | left/right repeat fine here (dec/inc), up/down do not |
| 11:45:16 | LinusN | { ACTION_SETTINGS_DEC, BUTTON_LEFT, BUTTON_NONE }, |
| 11:45:16 | LinusN | { ACTION_SETTINGS_DEC, BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_NONE }, |
| 11:45:22 | LinusN | that's the h300 keymap |
| 11:45:27 | petur | euh |
| 11:45:30 | LinusN | yuck |
| 11:45:59 | LinusN | that's not how it should be done imho |
| 11:46:03 | preglow | the recording screen is a bit weird in many respects |
| 11:46:26 | pixelma | seems to be the same on X5M5 - the repeat works there too... |
| 11:47:32 | LinusN | yes, the keymap is similar |
| 11:49:27 | * | LinusN fixes |
| 11:54:38 | LinusN | or is it intentional that you can't change the gain by rotating the scrollwheel on the ipod? |
| 11:55:11 | preglow | sounds annoying anyway... |
| 11:55:18 | LinusN | (only 1 step at a time, and you have to release the wheel in between) |
| 11:55:52 | preglow | the trigger screen also has badly messed up button repeat handling |
| 11:56:07 | preglow | in addition to, for some reason, not using our standard menu system |
| 11:56:56 | preglow | also, the "stop below" and "start above" options seem to depend on your peak meter scale settings, but not until you start adjusting them |
| 11:57:08 | preglow | so they start out as db, then end up as % |
| 11:57:48 | LinusN | wow |
| 11:58:18 | LinusN | btw, do we really need to be able to change the peakmeter scale? |
| 11:58:26 | preglow | well, i love it linear :) |
| 11:58:48 | preglow | but it's not something i'd say i care much about, i seldom even see the peak meter |
| 11:59:20 | preglow | so it's tempting to say it's a nice option for pruning away |
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| 12:10:46 | amiconn | preglow: The peakmeter doesn't use the standard menu system because of its live preview |
| 12:10:57 | amiconn | s/peakmeter/trigger screen/ |
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| 12:49:07 | Nico_P | aliask: hi |
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| 12:56:40 | aliask | Hi there Nico_P |
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| 12:57:19 | Nico_P | aliask: I've unsuccessfully tried to locate a file I sent on my S |
| 12:57:32 | aliask | I saw, it's a shame... |
| 12:58:14 | Nico_P | what do you think we could do? |
| 12:58:47 | aliask | We could try sending it as an mp3 file, and see if that works |
| 12:58:53 | aliask | It could be being filtered on the device end |
| 12:58:58 | alsaf | Does anybody know how to access hidden partitions on mp3 players? |
| 12:59:11 | Nico_P | aliask: but mtp-files tells me the file is there |
| 12:59:27 | aliask | can you copy it back? |
| 12:59:31 | Nico_P | it's just not shown in the dir listing |
| 12:59:33 | Nico_P | I think so |
| 12:59:37 | Nico_P | let me try |
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| 13:00:28 | GodEater | alsaf: which mp3 player ? |
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| 13:03:27 | alsaf | sansa m240 |
| 13:03:55 | Nico_P | aliask: yes I get the file back fine throught libmtp |
| 13:04:05 | alsaf | I would say the firmware is stored there? |
| 13:04:31 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Could your pcf50605.c fix be the cure for the H3xx (and H1xx?) OF settings corruption? |
| 13:04:54 | pondlife | Not that I've booted the OF in years... |
| 13:05:01 | aliask | Nico_P: You mentioned that there are subfolders called content etc on the 2nd partition, have you checked inside those folders? |
| 13:05:07 | Nico_P | aliask: yes |
| 13:05:16 | Nico_P | I made the dir listing recursive |
| 13:05:23 | aliask | Nice... |
| 13:05:58 | aliask | But this doesn't solve our problem unfortunately... |
| 13:06:07 | aliask | The file HAS to be on the disk somewhere... |
| 13:07:20 | GodEater | alsaf: how do you know there's a hidden partition ? |
| 13:07:48 | Nico_P | aliask: there is one file that is almost the same size as the one I sent |
| 13:08:14 | Nico_P | hmm yeah actually I think I found the files |
| 13:08:51 | aliask | Almost the same |
| 13:08:58 | aliask | That's interesting... |
| 13:09:13 | Nico_P | in /Content/0b00/00, there are files that have the same sizes as the ones mtp-files gives me |
| 13:09:25 | Nico_P | that's one the second part |
| 13:09:31 | aliask | Oh great, obfuscated file names... |
| 13:09:48 | aliask | And it splits the file up? |
| 13:09:55 | Nico_P | yeah, they're called 00, 01 and 02 |
| 13:10:04 | aliask | Argh... |
| 13:10:09 | Nico_P | I don't think so... the files are exactly the same sizes as what mtp-file reports |
| 13:10:54 | Nico_P | yeah, and the size of my file... I got confused |
| 13:11:19 | aliask | Ok, well at least the file gets there in one piece. But if we transfer a rockbox.gigabeat, how are we going to ID it? |
| 13:11:27 | Nico_P | exactly |
| 13:11:49 | GodEater | Does the filenaming always start off the same ? |
| 13:12:18 | Nico_P | weird thing is that both the other files have attr=7 and a .pmc extension, when my file has no extension and attr=32 |
| 13:12:19 | pixelma | GodEater: you're responsible for debussy? |
| 13:12:21 | GodEater | i.e. if you've *just* flashed the firmware to it, and the drive has been formatted, does the first file you copy over subsequently always get the same name ? |
| 13:12:36 | GodEater | pixelma: I doubt it - never heard of it/him/her |
| 13:13:00 | pixelma | the build server, though you had something to do with it... |
| 13:13:04 | GodEater | ah no |
| 13:13:05 | pixelma | *thought |
| 13:13:06 | GodEater | not mine |
| 13:13:12 | GodEater | mine's godeater.dyndns.org :) |
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| 13:13:32 | GodEater | why, is it broken ? |
| 13:13:33 | aliask | Nico_P: What do you mean attr? As in hidden/directory attr? |
| 13:13:50 | GodEater | Nico_P, aliask: that question above was to you guys btw :) |
| 13:13:57 | Nico_P | aliask: yes. the values are defined in dir_uncached.h |
| 13:14:17 | pixelma | GodEater: it still needs the so-called multilib patch for the m:robe builds, details were on the mailing list/forums somewhere... |
| 13:14:20 | Nico_P | GodEater: I assume the answer is yes |
| 13:14:34 | GodEater | Nico_P: can you test it and see ? |
| 13:14:42 | GodEater | pixelma: what does? debussy? or my server ? |
| 13:14:45 | Nico_P | from what I saw it's the case |
| 13:14:48 | alsaf | not sure if I'm on wrong track but there seems to be difference of about 17M in the figures of partition size using fdisk. Assumed the reason for this is a hidden partition |
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| 13:15:09 | Nico_P | aliask: if the rockbox.gigabeat file has a particular header we're good, aren't we? |
| 13:15:14 | GodEater | Nico_P: if that's the case, for install we'd KNOW what the file got called then yes ? |
| 13:15:27 | pixelma | GodEater: see latest m:robe build in the build table |
| 13:16:05 | pondlife | That's debussy.pauken.co.uk |
| 13:16:38 | pondlife | "Stephen Harker"? |
| 13:17:38 | aliask | Nico_P: Is there some kind of index file which catalogues the files in a readable way? |
| 13:18:21 | aliask | Hrm, i suppose it's probably very difficult to tell because we don't have direct access to the hd from a computer... |
| 13:18:26 | pondlife | Nothing in the IrcNicks for that, or pauken.. |
| 13:18:26 | pixelma | GodEater: yes, and your server didn't take part in the build round so I can't tell if yours needs that patch too :) |
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| 13:19:15 | GodEater | ah - he's the positive internet chap |
| 13:19:38 | GodEater | pixelma: you're right it didn't - but I've already multi-libbed it |
| 13:19:39 | pixelma | somehow I thought that GodEater had *something* to do with it, if only get into contact... |
| 13:19:41 | GodEater | did it weeks ago |
| 13:19:58 | GodEater | pixelma: you're right - I do *sort* of look after it - I'd just forgotten. I set it up originally. |
| 13:20:05 | * | GodEater has now logged into it and is fixing |
| 13:20:14 | pixelma | see :) |
| 13:20:22 | GodEater | your memory is better than mine :) |
| 13:20:54 | Nico_P | aliask: yeah, I couldn't tell |
| 13:21:15 | Nico_P | aliask: UMS in the bootloader would help a lot :) |
| 13:21:15 | GodEater | Nico_P: plug the drive into an F ? ;) |
| 13:21:16 | pixelma | GodEater: for all the unimportant things... ;) |
| 13:21:30 | Nico_P | GodEater: would that be possible? |
| 13:21:42 | GodEater | Nico_P: yes - someone did it originally (only into an ipod) |
| 13:21:57 | GodEater | anything with the same drive interface would work |
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| 13:22:25 | GodEater | I can't remember what other targets you own |
| 13:22:29 | Nico_P | ah then I could try that but I'd like to be sure it's worth it... IMO using a file we upload through MPT is very cumbersome |
| 13:22:40 | Nico_P | GodEater: I only have an S and an F here |
| 13:22:47 | GodEater | well the F would do then |
| 13:23:21 | pixelma | Bagder: what's a v200 v2 (in the forums)? ;) Too many numbers I guess... |
| 13:23:29 | Nico_P | without dual boot loading a file has no benefit over injecting code into the BL |
| 13:23:35 | GodEater | Nico_P: my plan of attack would be : a) Do a fresh firmware install, b) upload your file, and then c) plug drive into the F, and take a dump of the drive. |
| 13:25:04 | GodEater | I'd make sure I got both partitions too - just to be safe |
| 13:25:19 | aliask | Nico_P: The other option would be to create a record inside the nk.bin for rockbox.gigabeat - that way the OF bootloader would load it into memory whereever we told it to. It doesn't even need to be on disk |
| 13:25:38 | aliask | (apart from inside the nk.bin of course) |
| 13:26:01 | Nico_P | Zagor: ping |
| 13:26:06 | Zagor | pong |
| 13:26:15 | GodEater | aliask: I assume you don't mean to do that long term ? Just while we're getting started ? |
| 13:26:36 | * | GodEater guesses Nico_P wants Zagor to make USB file transfers work right now please :) |
| 13:26:53 | Nico_P | Zagor: I'm a bit confused about the current state of the usb stack... is it capable of shwoing a file listing? |
| 13:27:01 | Zagor | Nico_P: no it's not |
| 13:27:11 | aliask | It COULD work long term, but I suppose it gets a little messy when you want to upgrade builds. |
| 13:27:31 | GodEater | aliask: that's what I meant :) |
| 13:27:35 | Nico_P | Zagor: isn't there something that works at slow speed but not high speed? |
| 13:33:09 | Nico_P | aliask: I think what we need most is dual boot to avoid that horrible recovery mode |
| 13:33:29 | aliask | I agree |
| 13:35:58 | Nico_P | what do I need to disassemble eboot.bin? |
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| 13:40:04 | Nico_P | aliask: isn't IDA for windows? |
| 13:40:29 | aliask | Yes, but it runs under wine perfectly |
| 13:40:33 | Nico_P | ok |
| 13:43:35 | Ctcp | Version from freenode-connect!freenode@freenode/bot/connect |
| 13:43:56 | markun | aliask: copy/paste doesn't work for me in IDA under wine, otherwise it runs quite ok. |
| 13:44:08 | markun | maybe I just need to update both IDA and wine |
| 13:45:00 | Nico_P | do you guys use the freeware version or the evaluation version? |
| 13:45:35 | aliask | I had a copy which wasn't mine. Need to dig it up again though... |
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| 13:56:19 | pondlife | beer beer beer |
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| 14:01:31 | GodEater | debussy should be mended now |
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| 14:09:31 | Nico_P | GodEater: could you test something on your S? |
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| 14:13:08 | linuxstb | aliask: Have you tried any more to get dual-boot working? I was experimenting a little yesterday, but without success... |
| 14:14:11 | aliask | Nothing at the moment. I'm helping Nico_P try to work out the freezes at the moment |
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| 14:14:59 | Nico_P | linuxstb: did you see I actually found the MTP files? I was stupid enough to be mislead by the names |
| 14:16:59 | Llorean | LinusN: At this point I rather feel there should be an option somewhere to invert the charging logic, rather than having it hard-coded either way |
| 14:17:53 | Llorean | But either way, my question was on button preference and still stands even if the logic is inverted. :) |
| 14:17:55 | LinusN | sure, fair enough |
| 14:18:26 | pondlife | The H340 needs a better button for USB charging - is that what you're referring to? |
| 14:18:33 | Llorean | I guess I may as well ask it here, where people have a myriad of players: Does the "Quick Menu" button on anyone's player actually *do* something that could be considered "annoying" beyond opening the quick menu if held down on other screens on your players? |
| 14:18:34 | LinusN | hmm, i have another idea |
| 14:18:50 | Llorean | pondlife: Yes, I'd like to make it the "Quick Menu" button across the board for all players, assuming it's not a "bad" button on any of them |
| 14:19:03 | LinusN | what if you only could connect when the player is idle? |
| 14:19:15 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Yes, I read that. |
| 14:19:15 | LinusN | so if you insert it while playing, it would charge |
| 14:19:21 | pondlife | What about the hold button? That's safer, I'd think... |
| 14:19:23 | Llorean | LinusN: I think I'd prefer the manual option. |
| 14:19:42 | Llorean | LinusN: "Resume playback on startup". Someone turns on their player, tries to plug in, is confused because they don't even have headphones in. |
| 14:20:04 | Zagor | Nico_P: sorry, got a long phone call. yes, bulk transfer tests work with 64 byte blocks but not larger. I haven't yet tried adapting usb_storage to use 64-byte blocks only. _maybe_ that will work. |
| 14:20:06 | LinusN | hmmm, perhaps |
| 14:20:19 | Llorean | pondlife: Personally, I have Hold on often when I plug in USB and would rather it not interfere with it, one way or the other. But that's just me. |
| 14:20:44 | LinusN | how does it work with the OF? doesn't it allow charging while playing? |
| 14:20:50 | pondlife | I was just thinking that toggling hold does nothing at all.. |
| 14:21:22 | Llorean | LinusN: I think it depends on the player. For example, iPods can be "ejected" by iTunes, and once that's done they'll charge and play |
| 14:22:01 | pondlife | H300 has an option for charge or connect |
| 14:22:40 | LinusN | couldn't we solve it by allowing any button? |
| 14:22:49 | Llorean | I like the option idea. It's very explicit, doesn't ever _require_ that a key is held, and leaves the possibility of accidents to a relative minimum. |
| 14:22:56 | LinusN | hold a button while inserting, doesn't matter which one |
| 14:23:43 | LinusN | then the user gets to decide which button to use |
| 14:24:03 | LinusN | and we don't have to try to find a suitable button |
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| 14:24:08 | Llorean | That still doesn't solve the problem that a lot of users would prefer the logic inverted by default. |
| 14:24:22 | LinusN | you could still have that option |
| 14:24:25 | GodEater | users? pah, who needs them ? |
| 14:24:28 | Llorean | Ah, well then I'm happy with that. :) |
| 14:24:53 | LinusN | and it makes the code simpler |
| 14:24:59 | Llorean | Still, there really aren't many usable buttons, since most cases all our buttons (or nearly all) change something (volume, location, etc) which is why I picked the least-changing in the first place. :) |
| 14:25:03 | Llorean | But yeah, any-button would be good |
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| 14:25:23 | Llorean | Makes it a lot easier for people to remember which button it is on their player too |
| 14:25:24 | LinusN | "Press any key" :-) |
| 14:25:43 | Zagor | I think asking "Connect or charge" is a good way. |
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| 14:25:54 | LinusN | with a timeout? |
| 14:26:30 | linuxstb | So the setting could be "Connect, Charge, Ask" ? |
| 14:26:31 | Zagor | rather if usb is connected at boot, always charge only |
| 14:26:44 | Zagor | linuxstb: yes |
| 14:26:45 | Llorean | I'd rather if USB is connected at boot, always connect only |
| 14:26:48 | * | linuxstb _always_ wants to connect |
| 14:26:56 | * | LinusN too |
| 14:26:57 | Llorean | That's what bootloader USB mode is for on some of my players. |
| 14:27:10 | Llorean | But yes, "Connect, Charge, Ask" sounds good. |
| 14:27:19 | LinusN | voiced |
| 14:28:21 | LinusN | i vote for "Connect, Charge, Ask" |
| 14:28:37 | LinusN | as long as the question can be voiced |
| 14:28:55 | Zagor | Llorean, LinusN: why? that breaks for example in-car applications |
| 14:28:55 | linuxstb | When my device is off, and I want to connect it to my computer, I want it to connect... |
| 14:28:55 | linuxstb | Hence the setting... |
| 14:28:55 | Zagor | otoh some car applications want the device as a disk only, so I guess there is no single good solution |
| 14:28:55 | Zagor | if we have a setting, would there be any point with a timeout? |
| 14:29:04 | Llorean | With any button being the "perform the other action" button? |
| 14:29:33 | LinusN | no, if there is a setting, the timeout is unnecessary |
| 14:29:35 | linuxstb | I don't think we need buttons to do the opposite. At least, I don't. |
| 14:29:46 | Llorean | Zagor: Yes, but if we don't have bootloader USB, then we can just have the user put it in "Charge" rather than "Connect" or "Ask" |
| 14:30:04 | Zagor | exactly |
| 14:30:14 | * | JdGordon has suggested using the hold switch to disable usb mode before and still thinks its the best solution |
| 14:30:17 | Llorean | And I think we only have bootloader USB on two or three targets right now |
| 14:30:22 | Llorean | JdGordon: It's really, really not. |
| 14:30:47 | Zagor | I think any button holding or switching is too obscure |
| 14:30:48 | JdGordon | I cant see how holding a button down is better |
| 14:30:50 | LinusN | and bootloader usb is not really necessary |
| 14:30:51 | Llorean | More confusing than having a button or setting is having a switch on your player that completely prevents USB access that you don't know about from the manual |
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| 14:31:08 | LinusN | you could just as well make the bootloader usb mode button controlled |
| 14:31:17 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think buttons to have it Connect rather than Charge or vice versa is nice, since holding a button is quicker than changing the menu item. |
| 14:31:27 | JdGordon | the splash can say "USB Charging only, switch hold for USB mode" ? |
| 14:31:36 | Llorean | I still like the "Option to set the default behaviour, any button for quick-invert if you want to" |
| 14:31:49 | LinusN | JdGordon: that's a pretty long voice message :-) |
| 14:32:10 | JdGordon | or just usb charging only then |
| 14:32:40 | Zagor | why hidden buttons? just ask what the user wants. |
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| 14:33:18 | linuxstb | Llorean: I don't like the button holding to invert - as has been mentioned, we have no free buttons on many targets, so you get messy-looking behaviour |
| 14:33:26 | Zagor | Connect <== + ==> Charge |
| 14:34:02 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yes, but if it's *any* button to invert, and holding a button isn't mandatory, it's just a quick alternative, it's not nearly as messy-looking, I think |
| 14:34:18 | LinusN | Llorean: but still kind of hidden |
| 14:34:23 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 14:34:33 | linuxstb | Llorean: But it _is_ still messy-looking, if you're on a screen where every button does something. |
| 14:34:36 | Llorean | But if you have the "Connect, Charge, Ask" option, defaulting to Ask, then it's not bad? |
| 14:34:45 | Llorean | The user gets the question |
| 14:34:51 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:34:52 | Llorean | If the user doesn't like the question, they can set a default behaviour. |
| 14:34:57 | LinusN | exactly |
| 14:35:13 | Llorean | If the user wants to do the opposite of the default just this once, they just hold down something that isn't "bad" in that screen. |
| 14:35:22 | * | petur wants "Connect, Charge, look at button, Ask" |
| 14:36:04 | LinusN | i'm actually fine with having the "any-button-to-invert" feature as well |
| 14:36:24 | JdGordon | any button wont work |
| 14:36:30 | LinusN | why not? |
| 14:36:34 | JdGordon | you have to be pressing the button before usb goes in |
| 14:36:41 | LinusN | so? |
| 14:36:43 | petur | not all targets have an "any" button |
| 14:36:47 | LinusN | haha |
| 14:36:54 | JdGordon | which means the screen will get it instead of the usb code |
| 14:36:57 | JdGordon | lol petur |
| 14:37:03 | LinusN | JdGordon: of course |
| 14:37:09 | JdGordon | which is bad.... |
| 14:37:21 | LinusN | then you pick a button that doesn't do any "damage" |
| 14:37:30 | Llorean | JdGordon: Only if they pick a bad button to hold |
| 14:37:49 | Llorean | They have to read the manual to know that they can hold _any_ button, and the manual can say "The button will still also do what it normally does" |
| 14:37:54 | Llorean | So they can pick their button based on screen. |
| 14:38:26 | LinusN | the point is that they don't *have* to press a button, they can use the "Ask" option instead |
| 14:39:18 | JdGordon | I like the ask-the-user-what-they-want-screen |
| 14:39:18 | Zagor | JdGordon: it already works today. button_status() |
| 14:39:18 | * | linuxstb would prefer to keep it simple and get rid of the invert-action button |
| 14:39:18 | JdGordon | also, using hold means its the same button for every target |
| 14:39:18 | linuxstb | What about targets without hold? |
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| 14:41:13 | Llorean | linuxstb: Why should the invert-action button be gotten rid of? It's still far quicker than even a pop-up asking. |
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| 14:42:18 | JdGordon | because its nasty |
| 14:42:41 | Llorean | Yes, that's a very objective reason right there |
| 14:43:04 | Llorean | In all seriousness, if it's entirely optional because of the added "Charge, Connect, Ask" menu option, why is it bad? |
| 14:43:05 | LinusN | btw, it should always start charging, even while displaying the dialog |
| 14:43:11 | JdGordon | you and your objective reasons.... |
| 14:43:47 | JdGordon | the choise should then be "connect, ask" |
| 14:43:50 | LinusN | s/should/could/ |
| 14:44:02 | * | JdGordon thought should was correct... |
| 14:44:16 | Llorean | JdGordon: And then I still HAVE to press a button to banish the dialog and get back to listening. "Charge" needs to stay a choice. |
| 14:44:26 | LinusN | absolutely |
| 14:44:30 | JdGordon | no you dont |
| 14:44:37 | JdGordon | it wouldnt stop playback... |
| 14:44:37 | Llorean | Oh, so I wait for the timeout instead? |
| 14:44:46 | Llorean | Yes, but I can't skip songs or DO anything |
| 14:45:02 | JdGordon | well.. at that point an extra 2 presses wont kill you |
| 14:45:20 | Llorean | Aren't you the huge fan of "easier"? |
| 14:45:35 | Llorean | Who's now suggesting adding an arbitrary complication just because? |
| 14:45:39 | LinusN | i think "charge, connect, ask" is perfectly sensible and simple |
| 14:45:40 | GodEater | he's changed since he signed up with Microsoft ;) |
| 14:46:20 | LinusN | and the button-holding shortcut is nice to have in addition |
| 14:46:48 | JdGordon | i am a fan of easier... but not a fan of hidden random button presses |
| 14:47:13 | petur | add it to the manual then... |
| 14:47:16 | LinusN | JdGordon: it's not like you have to use it |
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| 14:47:40 | * | JdGordon would like to use that argument on heaps of features which ive had rejected.... |
| 14:48:30 | * | Llorean doesn't see what the button press has to do with the "Charge" option anyway... |
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| 14:49:51 | LinusN | in any case, i think we should go with "charge, connect, ask" in any case |
| 14:49:52 | JdGordon | because it was suggested getting rid of the hidden button and using the question screen |
| 14:49:56 | * | LinusN repeats himself |
| 14:50:02 | XavierGr | LinusN: any news on #8178? |
| 14:50:14 | JdGordon | charge is redundant |
| 14:50:20 | Llorean | JdGordon: Charge is not redundant... |
| 14:50:22 | LinusN | XavierGr: my h100 is in france |
| 14:50:33 | JdGordon | there is no reason to connect the usb cable but not charge |
| 14:50:42 | XavierGr | LinusN: :( How come? |
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| 14:50:56 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yes, that's true, which is why there's no "Neither" option... |
| 14:50:58 | LinusN | XavierGr: my son borrowed it on his ski trip |
| 14:51:36 | Zagor | JdGordon: the "charge" option means "don't display a dialog or screen, or question, or anything. just charge" |
| 14:51:57 | XavierGr | Linus: He will get back though, won't he? :) (I mean I should wait before doing it myself, right?) |
| 14:51:58 | LinusN | just like when you insert an ordinary charger |
| 14:52:07 | Llorean | Zagor: Perfect for people who have their whole collection on their DAP and never use USB anyway. |
| 14:52:16 | Zagor | yup |
| 14:52:20 | Llorean | Or people with a device that doesn't have charger-distinction, like the F40, who use USB in their car |
| 14:55:34 | LinusN | XavierGr: "don't try this at home" :-) |
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| 14:55:54 | JdGordon | on a more happy note... any more thoughts on viewports? |
| 14:57:42 | linuxstb | I'm slowly working on them. |
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| 14:59:39 | JdGordon | still on paper? |
| 14:59:44 | JdGordon | or actually started some code? |
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| 15:00:05 | linuxstb | I've started converting lcd-16bit.c |
| 15:00:19 | JdGordon | cool :) |
| 15:01:04 | linuxstb | Just the scrolling lines left to do... |
| 15:01:24 | JdGordon | have you decided how to handle them? |
| 15:01:51 | pixelma | Llorean: not all players have the quick menu (button)... and not all have a hold switch (JdGordon) |
| 15:02:22 | JdGordon | another reason why the ask screen should be used |
| 15:02:22 | Llorean | pixelma: Yes, I realized Ondio doesn't, right? |
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| 15:02:36 | Llorean | pixelma: What do you get when you hold down the button that brings up the normal menu on Ondio? |
| 15:02:39 | pixelma | yeps |
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| 15:03:01 | markun | JdGordon: about features being rejected: weren't a lot of them from before we were storing the settings in a file? |
| 15:03:17 | pixelma | Llorean: you mean if I connect USB then? |
| 15:03:28 | Llorean | pixelma: No, I meant simply "what happens when you hold down the menu button"? |
| 15:03:31 | Llorean | Or is menu already on a long-press? |
| 15:03:42 | JdGordon | markun: probably... I dont really remember them :p |
| 15:03:59 | pixelma | it brings up the menu - it's on a long press of "mode" |
| 15:04:06 | pixelma | short is "resume" |
| 15:04:09 | Llorean | Ah. =/ |
| 15:04:13 | linuxstb | JdGordon: More or less. The main issue in my mind is when/how to stop scrolling lines. At the moment, lcd_clear_display() stops all scrolling lines on the entire screen, but with viewports, it will only stop the lines in the current viewport. |
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| 15:04:31 | * | amiconn wonders about the whole connect<->charge discussion :/ |
| 15:04:55 | JdGordon | Llorean: wait... you would use the quick screen button to stop connect? so you would have to press another button anyway to go back to the wps? |
| 15:05:30 | JdGordon | linuxstb: I tihnk lcd_clear_display() should still stop all lines on the screen... a viewport_stop_scroll() should only stop ont he current vp |
| 15:05:43 | pixelma | Llorean: but in case you wondered, if I hold down "mode" and connect I get into USB power mode (and also the menu but it isn't annoying, IMO) |
| 15:05:48 | JdGordon | lcd_clear_display() should always blank the whole display... not just the viewport |
| 15:06:01 | amiconn | Why? |
| 15:06:21 | JdGordon | because the name implies that |
| 15:06:27 | Llorean | JdGordon: Please, don't be an idiot and try to connect two of my separate suggestions into one thing you can come up with extra objections to. |
| 15:06:35 | JdGordon | viewport_clear() should clear the selected vp |
| 15:06:47 | amiconn | JdGordon: lcd_clear_display() is a function that needs to be renamed for viewports |
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| 15:07:16 | JdGordon | Llorean: its 1am... and im just trying to work out your argument.... |
| 15:07:44 | JdGordon | amiconn: I tihnk that function should stay as is and add a new one for vp's... if for no other reason but to make the change over simpler |
| 15:07:56 | Llorean | JdGordon: My original suggestion was just to fix the targets that had "Charge" on the record button to use the "Quick Menu" button, since that's where it is on *most* of the other targets already |
| 15:08:02 | amiconn | I don't think that's needed |
| 15:08:24 | JdGordon | which isnt needed? |
| 15:08:24 | Llorean | pixelma: I think though that Ondio's current functionality is already *basically* in line with the idea anyway. |
| 15:08:25 | amiconn | With viewports, everything is a viewport. And those modules which aren't converted yet use the default viewport |
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| 15:08:45 | amiconn | JdGordon: lcd_clear_display() is no longer needed with viewports |
| 15:08:52 | JdGordon | hmm.... I suppose that makes sense |
| 15:09:16 | amiconn | There should be an lcd_clear_viewport() or something like that |
| 15:09:20 | pixelma | Llorean: yeah, it's "funny" how the Ondio has so few buttons and a quite convenient keymap and I'm still not satisfied with all of the c200's keymap in some screens for example... |
| 15:09:51 | XavierGr | LinusN: will do! (as in, I won't try it) thanks again |
| 15:09:57 | JdGordon | pixelma: because the ondio has so few buttons you dont really have much options? |
| 15:09:59 | Llorean | pixelma: When my c200 arrives, I'm going to try to tinker with the c200 keymap. |
| 15:10:14 | amiconn | The keymap on the iriver lcd remotes is also crap, even though the H1x0 remote has most buttons of all targets+remotes |
| 15:10:21 | * | LinusN is concerned about rockbox being distributed for motorola phones without source code |
| 15:10:27 | preglow | hmm? |
| 15:10:56 | preglow | where? |
| 15:11:04 | pixelma | true, maybe it's really a problem of too much choice. |
| 15:11:05 | Llorean | LinusN: We did manage to get source out of him at one point. |
| 15:11:11 | LinusN | we did? |
| 15:11:12 | JdGordon | that and the FLAC vulnerability!!! there is going to be heaps bad backlash for rockbox stealing your sms' !!! |
| 15:11:19 | Llorean | LinusN: Yeah, one huge, hideous diff, if I recall |
| 15:11:29 | preglow | url, please? |
| 15:11:45 | Llorean | preglow: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12403.0 |
| 15:12:08 | pixelma | Llorean: hopefully no v2? |
| 15:12:15 | Llorean | amiconn: I don't remember the H120 LCD remote being that bad |
| 15:12:22 | Llorean | pixelma: Refurbished from woot.com, so very, very unlikely |
| 15:12:37 | linuxstb | preglow: This isn't that exciting - it's the sim ported to run on a Linux-based Motorola phone. |
| 15:12:49 | amiconn | When I try to use the H1x0 remote occasionally, I always press the wrong button first |
| 15:12:57 | Llorean | pixelma: I want to try to bring it more in line with the e200 map (where applicable), which was brought more in line with "the way Rockbox works" |
| 15:13:29 | Llorean | amiconn: I think the h100 remote was another one of those cases of "If you're used to the OF you'll be more able to use it than otherwise" perhaps |
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| 15:13:41 | amiconn | Possible |
| 15:13:53 | amiconn | I never used the remote with the OF |
| 15:13:58 | pixelma | that change made the 2 keymaps differ more. I don't see the possibility to get them in line again... |
| 15:14:09 | amiconn | But then I don't use my remotes much in general |
| 15:15:12 | pixelma | Llorean: because the c200 has no wheel, so you expect the "play" and "submenu" buttons on the cross to serve as up and down |
| 15:15:18 | Llorean | pixelma: I don't think they need to be "in line", just... buttons keeping the same general use across screens and such, where possible. I don't like the keymap seeming to change from screen to screen like it did on the e200 |
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| 15:21:20 | LinusN | gosh, the motorola port includes the lcd-margins patch :-( |
| 15:22:08 | LinusN | and the bmp resize patch |
| 15:22:20 | Llorean | A whole bunch of patches, yes. |
| 15:22:21 | LinusN | and the album art patch |
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| 15:22:41 | LinusN | not that hard to remove those though |
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| 15:32:07 | LinusN | now this is too cute: http://www.4shared.com/file/25713983/2d36fc74/Rockbox_Manual.html?dirPwdVerified=11a954ba |
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| 15:36:33 | Zagor | LinusN: wow, c00l warez! |
| 15:36:36 | Llorean | Clearly it's so hard to find anywhere else |
| 15:37:53 | preglow | hm |
| 15:38:00 | preglow | do we need to bundle that bunch of licenses at the end? |
| 15:38:04 | preglow | seems like a horrible waste of paper... |
| 15:40:21 | LinusN | i'm excited about the work done by blackhawk, but i really want his latest patch |
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| 15:43:03 | linuxstb | LinusN: His latest reply to a request for source from someone doesn't sound good - "My HD almost full, no space for original rockbox source anymore and far away from rockbox code right now."... |
| 15:43:33 | linuxstb | He's already been told multiple times (by me and other Rockbox people in that forum thread) that he _must_ share his source. |
| 15:43:48 | LinusN | looks like most of his changes are all those blingbling patches |
| 15:44:45 | LinusN | i have a suspicion that he isn't too keen on sharing because he likes the fame |
| 15:45:01 | Zagor | "no space for original rockbox source anymore" sounds really believable... |
| 15:45:21 | linuxstb | But the request wasn't even for the original source, it was for _his_ source... |
| 15:45:39 | LinusN | i guess he meant that he couldn't produce a patch |
| 15:45:58 | Zagor | yup |
| 15:46:01 | Llorean | Then zip up the whole source.. |
| 15:46:04 | linuxstb | But I didn't think patches were generally accepted as fulfilling the GPL anyway? |
| 15:46:12 | LinusN | no, not really |
| 15:46:51 | LinusN | well, if he continues like this, his port will fade away |
| 15:46:59 | LinusN | as we move on |
| 15:47:17 | LinusN | i'd hate that too happen |
| 15:47:21 | LinusN | to |
| 15:47:39 | linuxstb | Does anyone here have one of those phones? |
| 15:47:44 | LinusN | i don't |
| 15:48:07 | linuxstb | Nor me... |
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| 15:48:50 | LinusN | my guess is that he will soon lose interest as it becomes increasingly harder to work on it |
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| 15:49:49 | LinusN | if he wants to sync with the current rockbox that is |
| 15:50:22 | Zagor | I think he doesn't want to. He just grabbed the code and runs with it, it looks like to me. |
| 15:50:48 | LinusN | speaking of current rockbox, i have a deja-vu regarding the refactoring of the playback code |
| 15:51:19 | LinusN | last time it was refactored it looked so nice and simple in the beginning |
| 15:51:36 | LinusN | then there came fix after fix to resolve bugs |
| 15:51:38 | linuxstb | I've been thinking the same a little - you mean lots of little "fixes" being committed? |
| 15:51:51 | LinusN | yeds |
| 15:51:53 | LinusN | yes |
| 15:52:02 | * | linuxstb is hoping lostlogic and Nico_P are being careful... |
| 15:52:06 | LinusN | and we still have plenty of issues |
| 15:52:22 | LinusN | with gapless and resuming |
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| 16:09:43 | preglow | yeah, i hate the fact that we now have gapless bugs again |
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| 16:17:25 | * | amiconn thinks that blackhawk should be forced to adhere to the gpl and share his code, or stop distributing his stuff altogether |
| 16:17:40 | amiconn | I don't have a preference for either way |
| 16:17:51 | amiconn | But a gpl violation is a gpl violation |
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| 16:18:16 | Bagder | you mean that motorola phone thing? |
| 16:18:21 | amiconn | yep |
| 16:19:23 | * | linuxstb agrees |
| 16:19:49 | linuxstb | I did hassle him a couple of months ago, and he released some source, but he obviously didn't continue... |
| 16:20:08 | Bagder | svn diff is such a complicated command |
| 16:20:43 | linuxstb | Or even just a zip of his tree... |
| 16:20:46 | LinusN | Bagder: as far as i know, he claims to be on a gprs connection, which is expensive for him |
| 16:21:02 | preglow | not exactly our problem |
| 16:21:09 | Bagder | but he manage to release his binaries |
| 16:21:14 | LinusN | yes |
| 16:21:16 | Bagder | and I bet they're bigger than a diff |
| 16:21:39 | LinusN | we should approach him again |
| 16:23:47 | Llorean | If he complains of size, why not tell him that since the license is binding, he could take advantage of that and simply just release the diff and let his users compile since the tools are freely available? |
| 16:24:01 | Llorean | Then he could save money, and comply (or have the wind knocked out of his argument) |
| 16:26:30 | LinusN | i guess he's just an inexperienced developer |
| 16:26:53 | Bagder | inexperienced with open source it seems, yes |
| 16:27:07 | LinusN | not an excuse, just an explanation |
| 16:27:38 | Bagder | well, it was an explanation _before_ he was approached |
| 16:29:07 | LinusN | we need to start *demanding* the source |
| 16:29:31 | LinusN | i mean, we *want* his stuff |
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| 16:29:32 | linuxstb | I think he also got into similar trouble with a previous port he worked on. |
| 16:29:39 | LinusN | oh? |
| 16:29:41 | linuxstb | So it's not as if he doesn't know... |
| 16:30:26 | LinusN | i see |
| 16:30:49 | Bagder | what's the url for his hack again? |
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| 16:31:59 | linuxstb | Seems the motorolafans.com forums are down (at least for me)... |
| 16:32:33 | LinusN | me too |
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| 16:35:34 | whizbo | Hello, I would like to get write permissions for the wiki. Who should I talk to? |
| 16:36:15 | LinusN | me |
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| 16:46:01 | GodEater | no, me |
| 16:46:16 | petur | or me |
| 16:46:31 | LinusN | :-) |
| 16:46:47 | * | petur remembers The Matrix "me, me, me" |
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| 16:49:48 | preglow | what a couple of crap movies those were |
| 16:50:00 | GodEater | first one was ok |
| 16:50:04 | GodEater | the second two were dire |
| 16:50:20 | preglow | sure, first one was completely decent, but like you say |
| 16:50:34 | preglow | the last two just made me a more bitter person |
| 16:51:08 | scorche|w | so he hit the bitter beverage... |
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| 17:06:28 | sup | is it possible to make rockbox run on a solaris mobile? |
| 17:06:36 | sup | with arm |
| 17:07:15 | GodEater | possible: yes |
| 17:07:19 | GodEater | easy: no |
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| 17:35:43 | quester | I try to understand the RB keymaps and have a question about the last change. Why was it necessary to introduce INCREPEAT? Couldn't the last field just be changed to BUTTON_LEFT (for DECREPEAT for keymap-x5.c)? |
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| 17:36:32 | quester | Since in the end the two actions do exactly the same. So why the difference on the action level? Or do I miss something? |
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| 17:45:33 | amiconn | Very patient... |
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| 17:48:55 | Buschel | interesting... you need to set "-qscale 6" in winffmpeg to achieve good fps-performance |
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| 18:08:22 | Nico_P | linuxstb: most of the fixes lostlogic and I committed were rather small and did benefit from the separation between buffering and playback. Also the rebuffering issue has a solution that I'm (slowly) working on, that will make the buffering code more flexible |
| 18:08:48 | Nico_P | I think what I'm working on will also make the gapless fix easy |
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| 18:15:38 | n1s | Nico_P: we were talking about how to make the midi player a codec a while ago but didn't get very far, we concluded that the metadata parser would figure out what needed to be on the buffer but not what should be responsible for the loading and how to pass that info to the codec, any more thoughts? |
| 18:18:50 | Nico_P | n1s: not really, no... I suppose maybe the codec could interact with the buffering system directly |
| 18:20:49 | n1s | Nico_P: to find out what it needs from the buffer? |
| 18:21:23 | Nico_P | n1s: to add what it needs to the buffer |
| 18:21:44 | n1s | Nico_P: but the codec is not necessarily loaded when the buffering happens |
| 18:22:38 | Nico_P | true... what kind of data are we taling about? intruments? |
| 18:22:39 | preglow | the only real solution is to have the metadata loader do it |
| 18:22:55 | preglow | i'm sorry to say |
| 18:22:59 | n1s | Nico_P: yeah, what's called patches in midi terms |
| 18:23:49 | n1s | preglow: that was the only solution I could come up with too but it leaves the question of "how does the codec find all the stuff on the buffer?" |
| 18:23:49 | preglow | Nico_P: xm's are a better example of what might be needed, all the data (both samples and note data) basically has to be decompressed and put in the buffer |
| 18:24:05 | preglow | n1s: well, that shouldn't exactly be very hard |
| 18:24:24 | preglow | n1s: codec.c would basically just hand it to the codec via the codec api |
| 18:24:25 | Nico_P | n1s: if it's one handle, it's not too hard indeed |
| 18:24:29 | preglow | a pointer or something |
| 18:24:35 | Nico_P | preglow: a handle ID |
| 18:24:47 | n1s | preglow: well I guess that's where my problem is i don't know the MoB way of doing that... |
| 18:25:03 | preglow | well, whatever, it just points the codec to a struct it knows how to handle |
| 18:25:12 | n1s | Nico_P: so could I attach a handfull of structs and arrays to this handle thingy? |
| 18:25:20 | preglow | to something it can use right away to play the file |
| 18:25:26 | n1s | of several megs |
| 18:25:34 | Nico_P | n1s: if you know how they are laid out, yes |
| 18:26:14 | n1s | Nico_P: any places for me to look at so i can figure out how to? :) |
| 18:26:19 | Nico_P | n1s: maybe use a codec callback instead of handling everything in the codec |
| 18:26:30 | preglow | the loader part will basically just have to prepare structs that can be used directly to render audio |
| 18:26:51 | preglow | how these structs look depend on the library in question |
| 18:27:01 | Nico_P | n1s: in buffering.c, bufopen and bufalloc (look for the ID3 and bitmap cases) |
| 18:27:16 | preglow | the problem with this is that we'll probably bloat the core a good deal with loaders for all the non-streaming formats :/ |
| 18:27:17 | n1s | Nico_P: ok, thanks :) |
| 18:27:29 | n1s | preglow: yes indeed... |
| 18:27:49 | Nico_P | n1s: you'll probably want to just do a bufalloc and then write data to the buffer you'll get |
| 18:28:06 | preglow | but i don't really know how to fix that... |
| 18:28:09 | preglow | perhaps loader plugins? |
| 18:28:14 | Nico_P | and in the codec callback, bufgetdata |
| 18:28:25 | Nico_P | (see bufgetid3 in playback.c for that) |
| 18:28:33 | preglow | hmm, metadata plugins in general, where you can choose which to link statically |
| 18:28:35 | n1s | Nico_P: i don't understand your codec callback idea... |
| 18:29:29 | Nico_P | n1s: most things related to codecs that touch the playback engine and data are done in playback.c, in callbacks that are given to the codec via the codec API |
| 18:30:00 | Nico_P | n1s: in particullar the buffer access |
| 18:30:30 | Nico_P | examples are codec_filebuf_callback, codec_advance_buffer_counters, codec_request_buffer_callback... |
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| 18:33:34 | Llorean | Alright, I saw a Sansa m200 at a store today. Isn't this AMS chip a bit on the powerful side for a tiny, black and white, flash player? |
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| 18:34:19 | Bradley | does anyone know if there is a Rockbox utility available for Mac OS 10.4 ? |
| 18:35:02 | Llorean | Bradley: Isn't the one on the wiki page for OSX? |
| 18:35:17 | Bradley | hmm lemme check |
| 18:37:02 | Bradley | yeah I don't see it anywhere |
| 18:37:08 | Llorean | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt#Download ? |
| 18:37:35 | Bradley | haah genius |
| 18:37:38 | Bradley | sorry I'm a noob |
| 18:37:54 | Bradley | getting ready to major in Digital Forensics so I'm starting to play around with Hard Drive devices |
| 18:39:53 | n1s | Nico_P: alright I have a look, thanks, one more thing though, what should the loader do if it doesn't get enough buffer from the buffer_alloc? will it be called again on next rebuffer if it fails? |
| 18:41:14 | Nico_P | n1s: yes and no. currently all the loading is done per track in audio_load_track, and if there is no space left in the buffer it will return and the track will be loaded again |
| 18:41:52 | Nico_P | n1s: if you load things in audio_load_track, you should be OK (look at how the metadata is loaded). Otherwise you'll have to do retries yourself... I'd go for audio_load_track |
| 18:43:06 | n1s | Nico_P: but it's ok to fail if there are several megs of buffer left? (as long as it's not enough?) |
| 18:43:34 | Nico_P | If the track can't be played without these several megs, I'd say it's perfeclty OK, yes |
| 18:44:02 | n1s | no, can't be played unless all the stuff is available (or instruments will be missing etc) |
| 18:44:32 | Nico_P | yeah, so make audio_load_track return false if the instruments couldn't all be buffered |
| 18:45:12 | Nico_P | maybe you'll need special handling for targets with a small memory though |
| 18:46:30 | amiconn | preglow: I would think midi is the most complex non-streaming format by far |
| 18:48:14 | amiconn | The various .mod file formats are rather simple, as there are only 2 conditions to be met which MoB is able to handle afaik: They need to be completely loaded, and must not wrap |
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| 18:50:28 | Nico_P | amiconn: I confirm MoB handles these |
| 18:50:30 | preglow | amiconn: i think they're about equivalent |
| 18:51:30 | preglow | with midi you can potentially reuse instruments between files, though, and that complicates things |
| 18:51:33 | amiconn | preglow: Eh? .mod doesn't need any interpretation at load time (except for getting metadata) |
| 18:51:38 | preglow | but you don't need to do that for perfect playback |
| 18:51:43 | preglow | amiconn: i'm talking about xm |
| 18:51:57 | preglow | amiconn: and that needs decompression in both sample data and pattern data |
| 18:51:57 | amiconn | For midi, you need to parse the whole file and find out which patches must be loaded |
| 18:52:25 | preglow | amiconn: just loading the file as is and handing it to the xm player library is about as unhelpful as you can get |
| 18:52:54 | preglow | it'd need to reparse the whole thing |
| 18:53:04 | * | amiconn usually means Soundtracker/Noisetracker/Protracker/Startrekker when talking about .mod |
| 18:53:22 | preglow | they're much simpler than .xm/.it |
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| 18:54:14 | preglow | these file formats should be parsed into decoder library structs at the same time they're loaded from disk |
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| 19:14:48 | sup | i like computers |
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| 19:21:30 | preglow | you can't have used them for very long |
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| 19:29:17 | sup | GodEater: can you run rockbox as a program? |
| 19:32:36 | bertrik | sup: you mean on a PC? |
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| 19:40:58 | sup | i mean, would it be hard to port rockbox to solaris |
| 19:41:00 | sup | : ] |
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| 19:43:21 | preglow | yes, you can |
| 19:43:26 | preglow | by compiling it as a simulator |
| 19:43:31 | preglow | you'll need sdl, but that's about it |
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| 20:14:45 | Lear | He, seems like bad Vorbis/FLAC files can cause memory corruption on Rockbox... |
| 20:16:05 | Lear | Sorry, my bad. It can read more than necessary, but not actually corrupt stuf. |
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| 20:23:38 | foontick | hi, guys, anyone have datasheet for SA58700 ? =) |
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| 20:30:56 | Zagor | foontick: "Because not much information is available it might be a good idea to look at the assembly code of the various firmwares." −− http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58 |
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| 20:32:24 | foontick | yeah, i have read it... =( |
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| 20:33:09 | foontick | Zagor, but there is dead link to datasheet on that page |
| 20:33:55 | Zagor | foontick: which link would that be? |
| 20:33:57 | foontick | sry, on this page - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverE10Info#Samsung_SA58700X07_ARM9_200Mhz |
| 20:34:13 | Zagor | ah |
| 20:34:14 | foontick | to much tabs in browser =) |
| 20:34:18 | foontick | *too |
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| 20:35:04 | markun | foontick: the link in here works: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58 |
| 20:35:42 | Zagor | markun: yeah but it doesn't have any datasheets as far as I can see |
| 20:35:58 | foontick | yeah, just short overview |
| 20:37:27 | markun | Zagor: I never found a datasheet for it |
| 20:37:46 | markun | Zagor: btw, I bet this isn't his real name :) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverClix |
| 20:37:54 | n1s | Lear: some floor 0 files will crash Tremor though... |
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| 20:38:08 | Zagor | hehe. linus is working on some wiki user cleanup. |
| 20:38:59 | Lear | n1s: Old news... :) |
| 20:39:53 | n1s | Lear: yup, and if we keep looking the other way there will be virtually no more floor 0 files around so the problem goes away :) |
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| 20:44:16 | * | Nico_P seems to have a fix for FS #8092 (seeking backwards off the buffer) |
| 20:46:00 | * | Lear cheers! |
| 20:47:55 | Nico_P | I went for flushing the data we have and starting again |
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| 20:50:14 | amiconn | Isn't that something we wanted to get rid of? (not sure) |
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| 20:50:54 | Nico_P | I don't know... it's rather handy |
| 20:51:44 | Nico_P | when you spin the disk, is it that much of a waste to rebuffer a few files you already had? |
| 20:52:05 | amiconn | What if the disk is not spinning? |
| 20:52:17 | Lear | You need to fire it up anyway... |
| 20:52:23 | amiconn | why? |
| 20:52:32 | Nico_P | amiconn: seeking to a nonbuffered part of a file |
| 20:52:33 | Llorean | You're going for off-buffer data |
| 20:52:35 | foontick | all, bb |
| 20:52:40 | amiconn | If all data I'm seeking back into is still buffered, I wouldn't |
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| 20:52:53 | Nico_P | amiconn: then all is good |
| 20:52:57 | amiconn | Ah, then you need to spin up of course |
| 20:53:15 | amiconn | Maybe I misunderstood... |
| 20:53:18 | Nico_P | amiconn: we only flush to create space in the buffer |
| 20:53:49 | Nico_P | ..when it's needed to allow seeking to a nonbuffered part of a track |
| 20:53:50 | amiconn | Well, if you rebuffer stuff that was already buffered, the disk needs to spin longer |
| 20:54:22 | amiconn | But I think that's a bearable tradeoff for less complexity |
| 20:54:28 | Nico_P | that's what I thought too |
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| 20:56:13 | * | n1s agrees but also _never_ seeks in any direction... |
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| 21:05:23 | * | amiconn is undecided whether he should use a bresenham-like algorithm or simply 16.16 fixed point maths for arbitrary backlight fading times :\ |
| 21:05:50 | preglow | amiconn: i don't think it matters much |
| 21:05:57 | preglow | amiconn: i'd do what is simplest |
| 21:06:48 | amiconn | The problem with bresenham is that the steps can be both <= 1.0 and >1.0 |
| 21:07:08 | amiconn | So I would need to carry 3 variables around |
| 21:07:15 | preglow | sounds like i'd just use 16.16 |
| 21:07:25 | preglow | it's fast anyway |
| 21:07:30 | amiconn | Those variables are reloaded on every interrupt cycle |
| 21:07:57 | amiconn | Btw, I will probably switch to using 256 steps instead of 100, and replace the division with a shift |
| 21:08:16 | preglow | which is a perfectly logical switch |
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| 21:47:55 | Buschel | amiconn: updated fs #8075 (5G LCD/YUV speed up). removed the changes as mentioned here yesterday, only kept the changes in yuv-blit. |
| 21:48:19 | Bagder | c200v2 firmware confirmed to be AS3525 as well |
| 21:52:45 | Llorean | Bagder: The AS3525 claims to be 250mhz? |
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| 21:53:13 | Bagder | well, the Ainol U60 claims an AS3525 at 250 MHz |
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| 21:53:29 | Llorean | Well, the AMS "features" page for it claims the max speed is 250mhz, yes. |
| 21:53:34 | amiconn | pling-plong-pling |
| 21:53:36 | Bagder | ah ok |
| 21:53:59 | Llorean | It just seems a little bit overkill for the m200... |
| 21:54:14 | Bagder | yes, but quite possibly they use it slower there |
| 21:55:01 | Llorean | Do you mean simply clocked down, or different speed versions of the SoC? |
| 21:55:22 | Bagder | I meant clocked down |
| 21:55:35 | Bagder | but of course we can't rule out chip variations |
| 21:56:09 | pixelma | Llorean: do you have a microSDHC? |
| 21:56:11 | Llorean | Yeah. I dunno, just seems odd to me, like it'd be quit expensive relative to other things that could do the task. Then again, I don't know what SoCs cost, nor what deal they might have. |
| 21:56:41 | Llorean | pixelma: Not yet. I've been waiting for a working USB stack and UMS mode so I don't have to also get an adapter |
| 21:56:43 | amiconn | Could be just those chips which failed the full-speed tests |
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| 21:57:07 | amiconn | That's what I am still thinking is the PP5021 - a PP5022 that fails to run (reliably) at 100MHz |
| 21:57:36 | Llorean | Could also be that in the end it turned out cheaper because of the quantities they buy to make the e200v2, m200v2, c200v2 and whatever else. |
| 21:57:41 | Bagder | they all have the string "AS3525/27 Demo Player" inside... |
| 21:59:02 | Llorean | Do we know what's in the Sansa View? |
| 21:59:09 | Bagder | a PP variation |
| 21:59:28 | Llorean | Odd. |
| 21:59:29 | Bagder | possibly a not previously seen one |
| 21:59:34 | Llorean | Aaah, okay |
| 21:59:45 | Llorean | I was going to say, that's the one I'd have expected to have the more powerful CPU |
| 21:59:48 | pixelma | Llorean: just asking because I still don't know if the HC supports works correctly on the c200... (got no response of one guy in the forums so far, I just assume it was probably his fault but don't know for sure :\ ) |
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| 22:00:13 | Bagder | Llorean: it most certainly has a special graphics part/chip similar to the ipod 5g |
| 22:00:16 | Llorean | pixelma: I guessed that was why you're asking. When my c200 shows up, maybe I'll go see if I can find an microSDHC card at Fry's then |
| 22:00:54 | Llorean | Bagder: Ah, okay. I was just curious because I saw one in the store, and it had a flashier interface than the e200's original one (dunno if it's changed with the v2) |
| 22:01:33 | Bagder | the nice part with the view is that it uses mi4 so we at least know the file format ;-) |
| 22:02:19 | Llorean | Maybe we should write a letter to PP thanking them for whatever it does that causes everyone to stick so close to their formats. :) |
| 22:02:22 | pixelma | Llorean: thanks, will probably get one too one day |
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| 22:03:09 | amiconn | I wonder whether we'll see that mysterious PP5026 somewhere... |
| 22:04:01 | Bagder | the Sansa View firmware mentions a PP6110 |
| 22:04:35 | Bagder | or mentions is perhaps not the right word, "includes the string" is more fitting |
| 22:06:10 | amiconn | The G5 clock setup tests for PP5020/PP5022/PP5026 |
| 22:06:25 | amiconn | (actually it just tests the last digit) |
| 22:10:35 | amiconn | Zagor: Btw, the reboot on usb detect is still hit-and-miss |
| 22:12:13 | preglow | amiconn: commit buschel's patch now? |
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| 22:17:21 | mf0102 | hello, my wps file is not readable anymore with the latest build |
| 22:17:35 | mf0102 | the simulator says: |
| 22:17:36 | mf0102 | We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/wps/TangoBox.wps' |
| 22:17:37 | mf0102 | Failed parsing on line 15 : Invalid parameter list for token 2: "No token" |
| 22:17:43 | Nico_P | lostlogic: you might want to have a look at my latest commit |
| 22:17:48 | mf0102 | that line is: |
| 22:17:49 | mf0102 | %xl|a|bat1.bmp|12|190 |
| 22:17:56 | goffa_ | whoa... |
| 22:18:01 | Llorean | mf0102: Put a | on th end |
| 22:18:15 | goffa_ | was that aundree buschman of musepack fame? |
| 22:18:21 | goffa_ | 15:13 -!- Buschel [n=AndreeBu@p54A3FEA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] |
| 22:18:24 | goffa_ | 15:13 -!- Buschel [n=AndreeBu@p54A3FEA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rockbox |
| 22:18:33 | preglow | goffa_: indeed it is |
| 22:18:37 | goffa_ | sweet |
| 22:18:46 | goffa_ | haven't seen him in like 10 years or so |
| 22:18:55 | preglow | well, you see him right now :> |
| 22:19:05 | mf0102 | thanks Llorean, that worked :) |
| 22:19:09 | lifter | Guys, please help. At me ipod 5.5 80gb I cannot listen to files .ape a sound brakes - reproduces its jerks. |
| 22:19:11 | goffa_ | well.. not that long |
| 22:19:29 | preglow | lifter: what compression profile are they encoded with? |
| 22:19:30 | lifter | Guys, please help. At me ipod 5.5 80gb I cannot listen to files .ape a sound brakes - reproduces its jerks. |
| 22:19:31 | goffa_ | i'd say since like 2000 |
| 22:19:39 | preglow | lifter: we heard you the first time, don't repeat yourself |
| 22:20:04 | markun | lifter: you will probably be better off converting your ape files to flac or wavpack |
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| 22:20:25 | Llorean | lifter: ape is a very, very cpu intensive codec. The iPod can't really play it fast enough because it has a slow processor. |
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| 22:20:56 | body | Guys, please help. At me ipod 5.5 80gb I cannot listen to files .ape a sound brakes - reproduces its jerks. |
| 22:21:15 | markun | body: please stop repeating yourself |
| 22:21:17 | preglow | body: are you reading what we're saying to you at all? |
| 22:22:10 | markun | preglow: I guess not |
| 22:22:18 | lifter | I apologize... Has simply started 2 clients |
| 22:22:22 | linuxstb | body: Read the IRC logs - your question was answered - http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt |
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| 22:23:41 | lifter | I simply listen to files, and there it is necessary more widely a strip than mp3 |
| 22:23:45 | goffa_ | does bring me to a question though.. does the 6g classic have the same hardware as 5.5g? (other than hard drives) |
| 22:23:59 | Llorean | goffa_: Not even remotely |
| 22:24:12 | goffa_ | well that's cool |
| 22:24:20 | goffa_ | hopefully it'll play ape decently |
| 22:24:20 | markun | lifter: I don't understand what that means |
| 22:24:40 | Llorean | goffa_: Rockbox is unlikely to run on it any time soon (ever, if nobody works on it, which nobody's doing right now) |
| 22:24:47 | Llorean | lifter: FLAC is also lossless. |
| 22:24:49 | goffa_ | well this is true |
| 22:25:02 | * | linuxstb can't think of a good reason to use APE |
| 22:25:11 | lifter | I mean cannot listen on ipod files .ape? |
| 22:25:14 | goffa_ | laziness :) |
| 22:25:20 | goffa_ | don't want to convert to flac |
| 22:25:22 | Llorean | linuxstb: You have .27mb too little space to fit that one last FLAC file on your player? |
| 22:25:23 | goffa_ | lol :) |
| 22:25:28 | Llorean | lifter: No. |
| 22:25:38 | markun | lifter: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecMonkeysAudio |
| 22:25:43 | * | Lear considers who wrote libdemac... |
| 22:26:16 | * | n1s was pondering the same thing... |
| 22:26:17 | linuxstb | Lear: That's why I think that - I've seen how crazy the codec is.... |
| 22:26:38 | Lear | I see... :) |
| 22:26:41 | n1s | linuxstb: you meant that you don't even use ape yourself like at all? |
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| 22:27:23 | markun | quite a few devs don't use the features they code |
| 22:27:24 | linuxstb | No, I never use it. If I acquire any APE files, I just convert to FLAC immediately. |
| 22:27:27 | * | markun points at preglow |
| 22:27:55 | lifter | At me 5gb it is free |
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| 22:28:00 | n1s | markun: I know, just writing a decoder from scratch seems a little more than most do :) |
| 22:28:12 | markun | ;) |
| 22:28:35 | Lear | True. E.g., I've put some hours into AAC... |
| 22:29:07 | markun | and the hours I put into arabic rendering.. :) |
| 22:29:08 | linuxstb | That whole "scratch your own itch" thing isn't 100% true... |
| 22:29:57 | * | amiconn now has a backlight fade-in time of 300ms on his mini :) |
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| 22:30:17 | Lear | But there are some AAC changes that would be good to look into, but I just can't find the motivation for it... |
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| 22:30:39 | linuxstb | Lear: Do you know that libfaad is now GPL'd again? |
| 22:30:52 | amiconn | preglow: You will be also able to select 100ms or 200ms, or even 157ms with a .cfg file ;) |
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| 22:31:55 | Zagor | amiconn: what part of the reboot is hit-and-miss? the usb detection or the actuall reboot? |
| 22:32:03 | Lear | linuxstb: No, I wasn't. Good news though, even if it only would be for some bug fixes. |
| 22:32:08 | amiconn | The reboot, most of the time |
| 22:32:17 | Zagor | which player? |
| 22:32:49 | amiconn | I think it's *not* due to system_reboot() being unreliable, but some thread not signaling ready-for-usb due to a race condition leading to a deadlock sometimes |
| 22:32:52 | amiconn | mini G2 |
| 22:33:53 | Zagor | ok. I'm pretty sure the e200 problem is system_reboot() though |
| 22:34:10 | preglow | amiconn: haha, thanks for that! :D |
| 22:34:22 | amiconn | Zagor: I would think it's the same problem as on the ipods |
| 22:34:38 | Zagor | what happens on the ipod when it doesn't reboot? |
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| 22:35:37 | amiconn | It stays in the USB screen. Most of the time the disk activity icon is lit (but I've seen occasions without that) |
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| 22:35:53 | Zagor | that's very different from what happens on e200... |
| 22:36:09 | amiconn | What happens there? |
| 22:36:15 | linuxstb | It sometimes freezes in the menu for me - with the disk activity LED on. |
| 22:36:45 | Zagor | spectacular crash, apparently sometimes with different colours flashing on the screen |
| 22:36:47 | amiconn | The freeze-in-menu also happens on ipod sometimes, but not as often as the freeze-in-usb-screen |
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| 22:38:03 | lifter | It is necessary to convert in flack. Stupid ape |
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| 22:39:44 | amiconn | JdGordon: there? |
| 22:39:48 | linuxstb | preglow: Were you looking at syncing libfaad? |
| 22:40:03 | Lear | Nico_P: Hm, first indication is that FS #8092 isn't fixed. Will make a full rebuild though. |
| 22:40:30 | markun | lifter: indeed |
| 22:40:33 | ze | ape is stupid... it's dead anyway isn't it? why do people bother |
| 22:40:58 | markun | ze: because of the slightly better compression I guess |
| 22:41:17 | linuxstb | ze: I wouldn't go that far - it's just optimised for maximum compression without any regard for decoding speed. |
| 22:41:49 | lifter | mda |
| 22:41:50 | ze | imeant dead as in the project... its no longer mantained right? |
| 22:41:50 | preglow | linuxstb: i'm in the process of doing it |
| 22:41:59 | preglow | linuxstb: it's synced and ready, i just need to make it work again... |
| 22:42:27 | linuxstb | preglow: OK, I thought you had mentioned it. I just wanted to make sure Lear knew... |
| 22:43:01 | preglow | sure, and whoever wants to accelerate the process can have a patch whenever they want :> |
| 22:43:05 | amiconn | linuxstb: Any news on the range decoder? |
| 22:43:19 | Lear | linuxstb: Thanks. Went and downloaded the latest release right away, thought I didn't have any immediate plans on syncing... |
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| 22:44:01 | linuxstb | amiconn: No... |
| 22:44:17 | JdGordon | amiconn: sort of... sup? |
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| 22:44:27 | preglow | Lear: just lemme know if you want to tweak it, the sync is complete, but i removed some of rockbox' changes to see if they're still needed, and apparently they were |
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| 22:45:02 | linuxstb | preglow: Are there still lots of warnings in the original code? I seem to remember having to fix a lot when first committing. |
| 22:45:04 | amiconn | JdGordon: Do you think it'd be too hackish to export the unit_strings[] from option_select.c in order to use them in settings_list.c? |
| 22:45:13 | preglow | linuxstb: new ones, even |
| 22:45:18 | amiconn | That would allow to generalise some formatters |
| 22:45:41 | JdGordon | sounds fine |
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| 22:46:12 | JdGordon | anything to clean up that callback mess in setting_list.c |
| 22:46:16 | linuxstb | preglow: Wonderful... |
| 22:46:29 | amiconn | Hmm, the _getlang functions could need the unit in their parameter list |
| 22:46:36 | Lear | Nico_P: FS #8158 is still there at least. |
| 22:46:46 | amiconn | Would also allow for a general unit_getlang_0_is_off() |
| 22:46:59 | amiconn | -also |
| 22:47:08 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 22:47:40 | amiconn | Eh, I don't need to export the array... |
| 22:47:59 | amiconn | But passing the unit to the _getlang function would be really useful |
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| 22:56:43 | Nico_P | Lear: so is FS #8092 fixed? |
| 22:57:02 | Nico_P | from my tests it was fine |
| 22:57:32 | Lear | Don't think so... Seek back a short bit (longer than AUDIO_REBUFFER_GUESS_SIZE though) doesn't seem to trigger a rebuffer... |
| 22:58:19 | markun | amiconn: didn't you look into unifying the lcd-*.c drivers a bit more? |
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| 22:58:29 | amiconn | eh? |
| 22:58:36 | amiconn | What should be unified there? |
| 22:59:52 | markun | lcd_putsxyofs looks (almost?) the same in some of them for example |
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| 23:01:17 | amiconn | Right now it does. There's some optimisation potential that will make them different |
| 23:01:19 | stripwax | Does an idle pp502x cop core suck as much juice as a busy cop core? (or, is it possible to disable the cop core completely and if so is there any power saving) |
| 23:02:41 | jhMikeS | stripwax: meaning what? it's idle > 9999/10000 microseconds normally |
| 23:02:54 | markun | amiconn: are you interested to work on that or is it more a hint for someone else? |
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| 23:03:15 | amiconn | I'm somewhat interested, but it's low priority atm |
| 23:03:36 | Lear | Nico_P: Hm, works in the sim... |
| 23:03:43 | markun | what kind of optimisations did you have in mind? |
| 23:04:07 | Nico_P | Lear: I'm not sure FS #8158 is related to FS #8092 |
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| 23:04:15 | stripwax | jhMikeS - really? what about mpegplayer? |
| 23:04:49 | * | ender` yawns |
| 23:05:00 | jhMikeS | stripwax: it's not idle there since it's decoding and rendering video of course. |
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| 23:05:10 | Lear | Nico_P: I think it is. I can only reproduce that behavior if I do seek backwards a bit right after resume (which I often do for audio books). |
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| 23:05:21 | stripwax | jhMikeS - right, does it draw more power? |
| 23:05:24 | amiconn | Things that will (hopefully) speed up font drawing, mostly on coldfire and horizontal-packed greyscale |
| 23:05:38 | amiconn | ...and a little bit on all 16 bit colour targets |
| 23:06:10 | jhMikeS | stripwax: Of course when it's actually used. I think the backlight will be the biggest draw by far. |
| 23:06:12 | stripwax | jhMikeS - or rather, when it isn't being used, do/can we turn it off for a power saving, or is having it powered-on but idling as close as we can get |
| 23:07:20 | jhMikeS | I don't think there's a power switch for it. The CPU idle state is about as close as possible...it's not being clocked, so gates should be inactive. |
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| 23:07:57 | stripwax | jhMikeS cheers. I'm also wondering how the current draw of the cpu at 60mhz compares against cpu+cop at 30mhz |
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| 23:08:49 | stripwax | jhMikeS - oh - is it possible to set the clock speed of the cop independently of the main cpu? |
| 23:08:50 | jhMikeS | stripwax: I think amiconn measured some of those figures....amiconn?? |
| 23:08:55 | jhMikeS | no |
| 23:09:34 | stripwax | ok. so if cpu is running at 30MHz, so is cop .. ? Just so I understand your 'not being clocked' |
| 23:09:36 | IvoBurkart | hi there, i have a (stupid) question: is there a specific reason that the slow clock speed is 30mhz on my sansa? whenever i listen to audio books (=low bitrate) i have a 0% boost rate |
| 23:09:38 | preglow | it's possible to scale the cop freq, no? |
| 23:09:40 | jhMikeS | well, core asleep = 0Hz = about as independent as it is |
| 23:09:44 | IvoBurkart | couldn't one save battery? |
| 23:09:51 | preglow | like have it run at half the cpu freq |
| 23:09:54 | amiconn | I didn't measure power consumption with any cop activity, as I only have an ammeter hookup on my 1st Gen atm - and that's PP5002 |
| 23:10:01 | jhMikeS | preglow: I see no evidence they run at separate frequencies |
| 23:10:04 | jhMikeS | *can run |
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| 23:10:20 | preglow | IvoBurkart: not everyone listens to audio books at low bitrate, as a matter of fact, i think most people listen to high bitrate mnusic |
| 23:10:31 | preglow | IvoBurkart: anyway, the cpu sleeps if it has nothing to do, so you're not wasting much power |
| 23:10:41 | amiconn | I'm quite sure that CPU+COP full load at 30MHz needs less power than CPU at 60MHz and COP idle |
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| 23:10:49 | preglow | jhMikeS: the product brief says that cop freq can be sclaed relative to the cpu one |
| 23:11:01 | amiconn | This is because there are more components driven from the system clock that just CPU and COP |
| 23:11:24 | IvoBurkart | preglow: if the cpu sleeps, why is there a downstepping at all? |
| 23:11:29 | amiconn | preglow: Afaik it doesn't. It merely talks about the clock skipping feature |
| 23:11:37 | jhMikeS | preglow: really? I've not seen any code that seems to do it. |
| 23:11:38 | Lear | Nico_P: Strange. No full re-buffer at all on target, even if I seek back a fairly large bit. |
| 23:11:41 | preglow | amiconn: clock skipping? |
| 23:12:00 | jhMikeS | clock skipping = keep core from running for a certain time period |
| 23:12:06 | amiconn | IvoBurkart: Re-read what I just said... that applies also to low clock vs. high clock and CPU sleeping |
| 23:12:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: oh well, i guess it doesn't matter, the gui core sleeps just as well at 80mhz as at 30 |
| 23:12:17 | * | stripwax wonders how hard it would be to add a second decode thread in parallel on cop |
| 23:12:17 | Nico_P | Lear: what makes you tell this? no disk activity? |
| 23:12:44 | jhMikeS | preglow: the clock scaling uses it to shut the other processor down for a short time while clocks are switched |
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| 23:13:02 | preglow | jhMikeS: riiiight |
| 23:13:31 | Lear | Nico_P: Only brief disk activity, and more importantly, if I resume at a position 30 sec from the end of the track and then seek back, I only get 30 sec from the resumed track before it skips to the next track. |
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| 23:13:54 | stripwax | jhMikeS - ah, so you can independently clock / not clock the cop , and you could use that if cop would otherwise be clocked but doing nothing? |
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| 23:14:07 | Nico_P | Lear: that's the test I did and it worked fine... |
| 23:14:18 | pixelma | Lear, Nico_P: that sounds similar to fs #8160 then (skipping back) |
| 23:14:29 | * | jhMikeS still has to figure out what is bugging 3g. Something seems to actually be somehow damaging threading at startup and perhaps the battery level code too. |
| 23:14:41 | IvoBurkart | okay thanks for clearing some of the fog :-) another quesion: is it normal that the database entries like 'Artist' and 'Recently listened' are not translated? |
| 23:15:10 | Lear | Nico_P: Here it works in the sim, but not on my e200. |
| 23:15:13 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I don't know why, but I've got dual-boot working on the S... |
| 23:15:18 | Nico_P | Lear: I definitely get a rebuffer |
| 23:15:22 | preglow | hmm, i think those are part of the tagnavi.config |
| 23:15:28 | Nico_P | linuxstb: awesome :) |
| 23:15:31 | Lear | Nico_P: What target? |
| 23:15:37 | Nico_P | Lear: gigabeat |
| 23:15:49 | Nico_P | linuxstb: a lucky guess? |
| 23:15:51 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Do you know if there's a way to shutdown the original firmware, without using the battery switch? |
| 23:16:09 | preglow | IvoBurkart: yeah, it seems those are defined in tagnavi.config, which is a file we parse and use at runtime |
| 23:16:10 | Lear | Nico_P: Could be flash-specific then... |
| 23:16:13 | Nico_P | linuxstb: no, it always seems to go into sleeping |
| 23:16:19 | preglow | IvoBurkart: so it's probably not translated,i wonder why no one has fixed that |
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| 23:16:23 | Nico_P | Lear: yeah, maybe... shouldn't be though |
| 23:17:17 | Nico_P | pixelma: I closed FS #8160 as a dupe of FS #8092 |
| 23:17:35 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Do you know if Rockbox can power-off? |
| 23:17:51 | Nico_P | linuxstb: no idea |
| 23:17:51 | pixelma | Nico_P: ok, I'll try first |
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| 23:18:06 | IvoBurkart | preglow: this would have to be done at build time right? |
| 23:18:11 | n1s | linuxstb: very nice work indeed :) |
| 23:18:31 | Nico_P | pixelma: try what? |
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| 23:18:57 | Nico_P | linuxstb: is the inability to shutdown in the OF a problem with dual boot? |
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| 23:19:14 | pixelma | Nico_P: if your fix for one also fixes the other (i.e. if it's really a duplicate) |
| 23:19:16 | linuxstb | Nico_P: It also seems that the original firmware doesn't like being upgraded by libmtp - it seems to detect something is wrong and insists on deleting all media files... |
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| 23:19:35 | linuxstb | Which for some reason takes about 30 seconds to delete the zero files I have on it... |
| 23:19:48 | Nico_P | linuxstb: yeah, it's really annoying |
| 23:19:49 | linuxstb | Some kind of self-destruct ;) |
| 23:20:05 | Nico_P | linuxstb: btw, what's the md5sum of the original nk.bin you're using? |
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| 23:20:35 | linuxstb | Nico_P: fb76b0025cd6bd2cc7512620ebf30b81 |
| 23:21:13 | Nico_P | linuxstb: same as the one I was using... aliask is using another one and I seem to get less or no freezes with his |
| 23:21:16 | preglow | IvoBurkart: the only solution i can see is using some kind of placeholder symbol in tagnavi.config that is listed in the lang files, and hence translated |
| 23:21:24 | linuxstb | Nico_P: No power-off means you need to use that fiddly battery switch - which I'm sure isn't going to last for very long... |
| 23:21:50 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I think I'll switch to keeping the battery switch off, and powering on/off by inserting the AC charger. |
| 23:21:55 | preglow | IvoBurkart: i wonder if anyone thought about this at all when designing it |
| 23:21:57 | pixelma | IvoBurkart: no, the tagnavi.config file is a text file, you should be able to translate yourself (and will be used the next time it is loaded, e.g. on boot). You can also set up your own custom tagnavi file, see DataBase wiki page for details |
| 23:22:02 | Nico_P | linuxstb: not a bad idea |
| 23:22:08 | Nico_P | I should to the same |
| 23:22:19 | IvoBurkart | preglow: i'll look into that and try to submit a patch but i think this is beyond me. should i submit a feature request for that? |
| 23:22:28 | preglow | IvoBurkart: do as you wish |
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| 23:23:11 | preglow | pixelma: i still think that's bad, i would really like it if a core feature like that was translatable in a way that doesn't require the user do something like that |
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| 23:24:09 | Lear | Nico_P: Think I found the reason: In my test case, the buffer is only about 30% full... Thus, the full re-buffer check doesn't trigger as it should - if I understood the meaning of buffer_len correctly. |
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| 23:24:24 | amiconn | preglow: Do you think it's a problem if the fade duration is always displayed in milliseconds? |
| 23:24:25 | pixelma | preglow: yes, maybe. I'm just saying that there is a way :) |
| 23:24:31 | amiconn | (except 0 == off) |
| 23:24:42 | Nico_P | Lear: oh, nice catch |
| 23:25:07 | Nico_P | Lear: I'll pastebin a patch |
| 23:25:23 | IvoBurkart | pixelma: thanks, i'll do that in the mean time. |
| 23:25:29 | IvoBurkart | bye and thanks for your time |
| 23:25:29 | preglow | amiconn: i think it would be ugly, but not exactly a problem |
| 23:25:32 | Llorean | preglow: Why shouldn't "Artist" "Album" "Genre" etc (all the supported tag names) be their own placeholder symbols? |
| 23:25:40 | Nico_P | linuxstb: are you planning on committing the dual boot? |
| 23:25:45 | preglow | Llorean: no reason for it, that's one way of doing it |
| 23:25:46 | linuxstb | Nico_P, n1s: The hold switch is used to detect which firmware to boot - any opinion on what the default should be? |
| 23:26:12 | Nico_P | linuxstb: maybe the default could be the OF as our bootloader doesn't do much ATM |
| 23:26:13 | amiconn | That's how I have it now - and this way I don't need a separate formatter/getlang helper function pair |
| 23:26:17 | n1s | linuxstb: as I don't actually use mine for anything I'd say rockbox for default :) |
| 23:26:18 | Llorean | preglow: I mean, the either are, or *should* be translated for the Song Data screen anyway, I'd imagine. |
| 23:26:41 | Lear | Nico_P: And the reason it worked in the sim, despite the same test files, was that repeat was enabled there. |
| 23:26:54 | preglow | amiconn: it'd be nicer if it always displayed it in seconds, if you ask me |
| 23:27:01 | Nico_P | Lear: that condition was dumb, thanks for pointing it out |
| 23:27:26 | pixelma | Llorean: yes, they are translated for the track info screen (even the <all tracks> stuff that the database uses) |
| 23:27:46 | Lear | Nico_P: Not sure I can test a patch now though, really need to go to bed... :) |
| 23:28:11 | Nico_P | Lear: ok, no worries... I'll make sure I have no regressions and commit |
| 23:28:17 | pixelma | Llorean: if I'm not too confused |
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| 23:30:33 | * | amiconn builds for h120 |
| 23:31:20 | n1s | pixelma: i think you are correct and that it is mostly a "noone bothered" problem as with voice in the database... |
| 23:31:33 | preglow | amiconn: lemme know if you need a tester |
| 23:31:46 | preglow | but i guess you've got all devices covered anyway :) |
| 23:31:47 | Nico_P | Lear: the patch is ready... sure you don't want to give it a spin? |
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| 23:32:21 | n1s | I think this is one of those nice problems where the amount of developers using the database is quite small and the same for voice and the overlap is probably at or near 0 |
| 23:32:50 | pixelma | n1s: if I remember correctly rasher started something to localise the database but concentrated on the .talk clips... |
| 23:33:20 | pixelma | not localising then |
| 23:33:22 | n1s | ah, let's hope he commits something then ;) |
| 23:33:36 | rasher_ | Solely talk clips |
| 23:33:40 | n1s | well, .talk clips can be in any language |
| 23:34:25 | rasher_ | It's in the tracker, and I don't expect to work any more on it - needs someone with more of a clue than me to fix the remaining problem. |
| 23:34:56 | n1s | rasher_: did you get any further on your language-xml format conversion? |
| 23:35:20 | Lear | Nico_P: Na, that'll have to wait, unfortunately... |
| 23:35:24 | Nico_P | ok |
| 23:35:55 | rasher_ | n1s: ah yes, that. I stranded a bit while rewriting genlang, since I couldn't figure out how to put notes in the result file in a reasonable way |
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| 23:36:07 | rasher_ | Notes to the translator, that is |
| 23:36:39 | n1s | ah, yes, I remember briefly trying to figure out that script, I gave up :) |
| 23:37:22 | rasher_ | Well I was rewriting it from scratch, so didn't have to work all the details out |
| 23:37:32 | rasher_ | The current genlang is quite scary yes |
| 23:37:54 | pixelma | Nico_P: first try with your latest fix on c200 (resuming a playlist that I started before though) - I get the WPS, Rockbox immediately freezes, my wps shows 6:21m elapsed time in a 3:44m song... to be fair, I'll start a new playlist and try again) |
| 23:38:53 | rasher_ | n1s: I do have a langv2toxml script, a xmlschema dtd a tiny script to validate language-files and a half-finished genlangxml though |
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| 23:39:40 | amiconn | preglow: Yup. It's just (most) ipods and the H1x0 only anyway |
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| 23:40:58 | amiconn | Hmm. In fact it could work on the H10 too... |
| 23:40:59 | preglow | amiconn: but can't cfg value be in msec, and displayed value be in seconds? |
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| 23:41:23 | preglow | amiconn: i think "0.1, 0.2, 0.5, 1, 2, etc" looks better than "100, 200, 500, 1000, 2000, etc" |
| 23:41:30 | preglow | too many redundant zeroes in the last |
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| 23:41:55 | amiconn | That would require a separate formatter, and voicing would be very difficult |
| 23:42:13 | preglow | voicing can be in ms |
| 23:42:20 | n1s | rasher: if it makes it easier for us to make good lang handling tools (and thus easier to maintain language files) i'm all for it, I don't have much experience with xml though... |
| 23:43:56 | n1s | amiconn: we really should fix voicing of units with decimals in the settings, we already have several and they are not voiced correctly, (and I could only come up with two hacky ways of doing it) |
| 23:43:59 | preglow | amiconn: formatters aren't exactly huge |
| 23:44:21 | rasher | n1s: Well, it means that we don't have to worry about the parser (not that it's been a huge problem), and yes, it should make it easier to write a new tool. Or do small scripts to automaticly change things in all languages. |
| 23:44:33 | n1s | (centibels is a weird unit if you ask me) |
| 23:44:39 | preglow | yeah... |
| 23:44:47 | jhMikeS | we need to be able to format and voice fractional things in menus and have a standardized way to do it |
| 23:44:58 | rasher | It also means that we would know when languagefiles got broken |
| 23:45:00 | preglow | indeed, using centi, mili, etc isn't a good workaround |
| 23:45:10 | n1s | rasher: then I'm all for it :) |
| 23:45:45 | preglow | 5000 ms instead of 5 s is just... ugly |
| 23:46:01 | rasher | n1s: Yeah. I don't think there were any huge objections. I should have a look at it again, really. |
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| 23:49:11 | preglow | anyway, how hard can voicing fractional stuff be? |
| 23:49:15 | pixelma | Nico_P: ok, good news. No problems with the new playlist and skipping back to the beginning of the resumed song seems to work correctly now too... |
| 23:49:20 | preglow | we already do numbers nicely |
| 23:49:32 | jhMikeS | why do I get stuck with having to track down these damned oddball crash bugs anyway? |
| 23:49:45 | Nico_P | pixelma: cool :) |
| 23:49:50 | preglow | jhMikeS: another oddball crash bug? |
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| 23:50:09 | jhMikeS | same one on 5002...holding on through all kinds of changes |
| 23:50:27 | jhMikeS | cache problems are out since that stuff tests out ok |
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| 23:50:40 | preglow | sounded like a cache issue |
| 23:50:41 | preglow | hrm |
| 23:51:02 | pixelma | preglow: not all numbers are voiced nicely in all languages (but I know that's rather complicated) |
| 23:51:03 | jhMikeS | test_cache passes with an A+ |
| 23:51:05 | preglow | jhMikeS: perhaps another misbehaving instruction? :/ |
| 23:51:32 | preglow | pixelma: let's just disregard funny languages like danish... |
| 23:51:37 | rasher | Hey! |
| 23:51:40 | jhMikeS | irrelevant to core number built single or dual. seems sensitive to alignment and I really thing the battery issue and this could be related. |
| 23:51:44 | jhMikeS | *think |
| 23:51:48 | linuxstb | Nico_P: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/dualboot.diff (if you want to try it) |
| 23:51:51 | preglow | jhMikeS: battery issue? |
| 23:51:53 | rasher | preglow: And German too |
| 23:52:02 | preglow | rasher: yeah, but german doesn't have different bases and shit :P |
| 23:52:42 | jhMikeS | preglow: _if_ things are arranged so it at least runs, the battery level will not be read right yet the RTC and other pcf50605 things will be. |
| 23:52:43 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I'll sure try it |
| 23:52:50 | Nico_P | do you intend to commit? |
| 23:52:51 | pixelma | preglow: well, for example 21 voiced in Rockbox sounds funny in german too... |
| 23:52:59 | preglow | pixelma: sure, but that's easier to fix |
| 23:53:02 | rasher | preglow: Well, they have opposite order in sub-100 numbers, and >19 needs a "und" inserted |
| 23:53:15 | preglow | sure, we do the same in norwegian as well |
| 23:53:21 | preglow | it's one of two ways to spell out numbers |
| 23:53:23 | rasher | preglow: Not quite sure what you mean by different bases in Danish? |
| 23:54:27 | preglow | rasher: that weird stuff with fjerds, tres and all :V |
| 23:54:53 | Bagder | isn't french like that too? |
| 23:54:54 | rasher | preglow: oh, well when voicing that'd work the same, surely? |
| 23:54:54 | preglow | i think it boils down to being base 20, not base 10 |
| 23:55:19 | preglow | Bagder: surely we disregard the french :P |
| 23:55:28 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 23:55:31 | preglow | rasher: would it? |
| 23:55:33 | preglow | rasher: *shrug* |
| 23:55:36 | XavierGr | Greek language is broken with numbers too on rockbox |
| 23:55:39 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Yes, I think so. Probably not tonight though, so that will give you (and hopefully aliask) time to test. |
| 23:55:47 | rasher | preglow: voice(41) = voice(1)+voice(40); voice(75) = voice(5)+voice(70) |
| 23:55:56 | Nico_P | linuxstb: ok, I'll report back when I test |
| 23:56:00 | XavierGr | mainly because we have different plural and hundreads have their own name |
| 23:56:10 | rasher | preglow: for Danish. I don't think we do anything terribly funny. The names just come from some archaic system. |
| 23:56:10 | preglow | so we really need lang plugins for this... |
| 23:57:01 | rasher | And if you had to be all old-fashioned about it, you'd add +voice("sinds")+voice(20), but no one does that these days |
| 23:57:40 | preglow | what if i want a lang file that sounds like a moldy pedant :> |
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| 23:58:20 | rasher | Then you're fresh out of luck, I think. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure some languages have absolutely crazy rules for pronouncing numbers. |
| 23:58:24 | pixelma | rasher: if I imagine that correctly from your explanation that would be ssimilar to German (with a small tweak for the 1 in 41) |
| 23:58:35 | pixelma | *similar |
| 23:58:59 | rasher | Yeah, I'm pretty sure German is almost exactly the same. Except we have separate names for 11-19 |
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