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| 00:01:27 | amiconn | preglow: Iirc it is, but can't test atm... |
| 00:01:33 | amiconn | Builds crashing |
| 00:03:50 | preglow | ok |
| 00:04:01 | preglow | did jhMikeS get any closer? |
| 00:04:16 | jhMikeS | preglow: the more I look into it the less sense it makes :p |
| 00:04:35 | preglow | well, how nice... |
| 00:04:43 | preglow | i saw we drop those targets :P |
| 00:05:15 | preglow | the SoundCodecs page is a mess |
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| 00:05:39 | * | linuxstb sees all the changes to the Plugin* wiki pages and wonders if it's worthwhile keeping them, or encourage contributions to the manual |
| 00:05:45 | jhMikeS | It seems like something's perhaps being done incorrectly with the hardware...sort of changing some things revealed that on 5020. But of course I'm just guessing wildly atm. |
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| 00:06:33 | preglow | linuxstb: well, ideally, both |
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| 00:06:57 | linuxstb | preglow: You mean you want documentation in the wiki AND the manual? |
| 00:07:06 | bobrules | okay I downloaded rockbox latest current build |
| 00:07:08 | safetydan | is the wiki really providing anything for the plugins? |
| 00:07:10 | bobrules | I put it on my root folder |
| 00:07:22 | preglow | linuxstb: i doubt all the people who contribute to the wiki would contribute to the manual |
| 00:07:23 | bobrules | when I unzip it it jsut creates a new folder called rockbox |
| 00:08:00 | krazykit | bobrules, which is what it's supposed to do. |
| 00:08:12 | linuxstb | preglow: True, but maybe some would, if we somehow encouraged them... |
| 00:08:14 | Riles | Hello guys... I have a small problem.. I installed with the "autoinstaller" for my Iriver iHP-140 and then updated the firmware.. when i reboot.. all that it does is sit at the "rockbox boot loader" and states my battery volts etc.. what am I missing? |
| 00:08:16 | bobrules | I thought that when I unzip it it should just overwrite it |
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| 00:08:36 | Riles | the .rockbox dir is there and complete also. |
| 00:08:45 | bobrules | so I just copy that folder? |
| 00:08:54 | bobrules | and paste it? |
| 00:09:07 | linuxstb | bobrules: Are you on a Mac? |
| 00:09:12 | bobrules | no pc |
| 00:09:39 | bobrules | the lastest build is around 1.8 MB right? |
| 00:09:43 | linuxstb | Inside the rockbox folder you should see a ".rockbox" folder (note the dot) - you copy the .rockbox folder to your device. |
| 00:10:04 | bobrules | okay |
| 00:10:13 | linuxstb | Or ideally, just extract the zip file directly to your device (e.g. E:\) |
| 00:10:36 | Riles | linuxstb once that is done and the firmware is updated it should just boot right? Nothing special needed/ |
| 00:10:40 | bobrules | but it creates a folder called rockbox first and inside there's another folder called .rockbox |
| 00:11:05 | linuxstb | bobrules: That's your unzip program doing something it shouldn't. Or you're telling it to put it in a folder called "rockbox". |
| 00:11:07 | bobrules | it's Sansa's e200's latest current build btw |
| 00:11:17 | bobrules | OH |
| 00:11:22 | bobrules | you're right |
| 00:11:26 | Riles | bobrules only .rockbox should there |
| 00:11:31 | bobrules | I always use unzip as /blah blah |
| 00:11:32 | Riles | not 2 of them |
| 00:11:35 | preglow | we really should have one page for each codec instead of the mess in SoundCodecs |
| 00:11:58 | bobrules | I pressed extract to /rockbox |
| 00:11:59 | preglow | the table could stay |
| 00:12:02 | bobrules | thanks I got it now |
| 00:12:07 | linuxstb | preglow: I started that, but it never went anywhere... I think there are Monkeys and FLAC pages... |
| 00:12:24 | safetydan | Riles: no there's nothing else should should need to do. So you've updated the h120 firmware with the rockbox bootloader? And you've got a .rockbox folder in your e:\ (or whatever drive letter)? And there's only one rockbox.iriver file? |
| 00:12:37 | stripwax_ | bobrules - does the rbutilqt work for you? I think we had this conversation before actually |
| 00:12:38 | linuxstb | preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Sound_Codecs_in_Rockbox |
| 00:12:47 | linuxstb | (the list, not the big table) |
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| 00:13:20 | preglow | linuxstb: there's one for wma too, but it doesn't follow that naming convention |
| 00:13:23 | Riles | linuxstb there is one rockbox.iriver and rombox.iriver |
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| 00:13:25 | Riles | tha right? |
| 00:13:35 | Riles | if yes.. yes to everything you said. |
| 00:13:40 | Llorean | preglow: So break up the codecs page in a similar way to how the Plugins page is broken up, essentially? |
| 00:13:51 | linuxstb | Riles: Yes. So the only message the bootloader is saying is the battery voltage? |
| 00:14:06 | Riles | yup |
| 00:14:21 | Llorean | Maybe even with tick-boxes for "Real time", "Playback with all DSP features enabled" and "Unboosted Playback" |
| 00:14:40 | preglow | Llorean: what's the plugins page called? |
| 00:14:45 | Llorean | PluginIndex |
| 00:14:48 | bobrules | stripwx |
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| 00:14:58 | bobrules | I;m only upgrading |
| 00:14:59 | preglow | Llorean: yeah |
| 00:15:07 | bobrules | I thought the utility was for installing |
| 00:15:09 | preglow | Llorean: exactly like that, basically just keep the table at the bottom of SoundCodecs |
| 00:15:18 | stripwax | bobrules - you can use the utility for upgrading |
| 00:15:26 | bobrules | never knew that |
| 00:15:28 | bobrules | okay |
| 00:15:32 | stripwax | and if you are having problems with unzipping files and folders it's probably easier |
| 00:15:42 | bobrules | ok thanks everyone |
| 00:15:44 | linuxstb | preglow, Llorean: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-06/0088.shtml |
| 00:16:26 | preglow | linuxstb: does our wiki system support templates? |
| 00:16:33 | Riles | linuxstb any ideas? It will go into USB mode FYI |
| 00:16:45 | Riles | but just loads the boot loader then doesnt boot. |
| 00:16:58 | Llorean | linuxstb: I remember that now... it eventually broke down into discussion over finding that darn test track. |
| 00:17:14 | linuxstb | Riles: Sorry, no. It does sound like a problem theough - the bootloader shouldn't do that... Does the original firmware start if you hold REC when booting? |
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| 00:17:27 | Riles | yah |
| 00:17:38 | preglow | templates would rockb for pages like this |
| 00:17:46 | Llorean | linuxstb: Could we just come up with some sort of generic, silly test track? Like a tone that sweeps across a certain frequency range a few times at increasing speed, or something. |
| 00:17:53 | Riles | actually it trades off.. it will boot the regular firmware then the rockbox firmware |
| 00:18:08 | linuxstb | Llorean: Sure, we just need someone to do it... |
| 00:19:31 | linuxstb | Although on second thoughts, I'm not sure an artificially generated track would be a good compression sample. |
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| 00:20:48 | stripwax | preglow - any advice on getting developers interested in committing my patches.. ? |
| 00:21:18 | preglow | well, i don't really feel comfortable commiting anything i don't take an interest in, since i can't really guarantee for quality that way |
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| 00:21:25 | preglow | so, i dunno |
| 00:21:59 | Llorean | stripwax: Basically, you need to find someone who's willing to take responsibility if your patches end up breaking anything. |
| 00:22:32 | linuxstb | stripwax: I'm interested in your pacbox patch - I'll try and commit it. It looks straightforward to revert the change to run on the COP if we ever use the COP more generally in Rockbox (e.g. for codecs), so I can't see the harm. |
| 00:22:34 | jhMikeS | stripwax: I have some questions about that pacbox one. There's alot of stuff to beware of when using the COP. |
| 00:22:45 | * | stripwax boggles |
| 00:22:50 | stripwax | ok cool. question me |
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| 00:23:35 | preglow | linuxstb: anyway, the info in the SoundCodecs page should be moved for the codecs that do have pages |
| 00:23:45 | jhMikeS | stripwax: 1) which processor loads the roms? 2) have you done cache handling properly? 3) do you cache align and pad the COPs cacheable data? |
| 00:23:46 | stripwax | (and thanks, of course!) |
| 00:24:18 | linuxstb | preglow: What about moving the bulk of that page to a SoundCodecsDevelopment page, just leaving information of interest to users there? |
| 00:24:42 | * | linuxstb wonders if there's a wiki equivalent of "svn cp" |
| 00:24:58 | preglow | linuxstb: i think development info would be cool in the codec specific pages, really, under a development header |
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| 00:25:48 | gfather | guys , is thier any support for nomad zen ? |
| 00:26:01 | gfather | there |
| 00:26:07 | stripwax | 1) main cpu 2) let me know what 'properly' means and I'll let you know if I've done it properly 3) I am not doing anything specific (if by cacheable date you mean 'any data') |
| 00:26:21 | linuxstb | gfather: No |
| 00:26:37 | stripwax | I literally just moved the emulator execution from the main cpu to the cop (just one thread, no coherency issues - I think) |
| 00:26:48 | amiconn | eh... |
| 00:27:06 | amiconn | lostlogic: Did you notice that your metadata.c change causes warnings on coldfire? |
| 00:27:27 | gfather | is thier any other thing for zen ? |
| 00:27:44 | stripwax | what sort of 'other thing'? |
| 00:27:55 | gfather | something like rockbox |
| 00:27:56 | gfather | ? |
| 00:28:06 | krazykit | no |
| 00:28:07 | amiconn | (r15840) |
| 00:28:10 | gfather | i think it should be installed on every mp3 or media player :) |
| 00:28:51 | jhMikeS | 1) muy bueno 2) after loading roms, CPU should call flush_icache, COP should call invalidate_icache before using any data put in cacheable ram 3) anything not in IRAM is cacheable unless used from the uncached alias. Any data not in IRAM for COP must be aligned and padded to prevent conflicts between the two. |
| 00:29:22 | jhMikeS | For 2) simply creating the thread will invalidate it if all loading is performed before creating it |
| 00:29:27 | stripwax | jhMikeS - it is |
| 00:30:13 | stripwax | but I'm not sure I followed 3) - none of the data is in IRAM, so does everything need to be aligned (+padded) to prevent conflicts between cop cache & the iram used by the cpu for codecs? |
| 00:30:49 | lostlogic | amiconn: no, I didn't |
| 00:32:02 | austriancoder | is logf with the current svn broken? I tried it with my sansa but i only get an empty screen if i open logf in debug menu |
| 00:32:38 | lostlogic | austriancoder: you need to enable logf for particular files now |
| 00:32:40 | linuxstb | I think you now need to enable logf in individual files - by default it's disabled. |
| 00:32:58 | jhMikeS | For 3) All non-IRAM for COP does which implies it's out of the way of non-IRAM on the CPU otherwise when the map for the plugin changes, cache lines can overlap between COP and CPU when they should and "random" crashing can happen. |
| 00:33:19 | austriancoder | linuxstb: is there a doc for it describing how to do that? |
| 00:33:27 | stripwax | hang on , I'm having trouble parsing that |
| 00:33:45 | jhMikeS | correction: ...when they shoudn't |
| 00:33:58 | lostlogic | amiconn: any idea how to make that warning go away? I don't see the problem / understand the warning. |
| 00:34:25 | stripwax | I think it's the "does which" I'm having trouble with |
| 00:34:30 | jhMikeS | The cache handling is the single biggest headache when using both cores. |
| 00:34:58 | bobrules | You know for the snake game, is it possible to change the controls to scroll wheel instead of buttons? |
| 00:35:07 | linuxstb | austriancoder: I expect logf.h would describe it - something like #define LOGF_ENABLE before you include logf.h |
| 00:35:11 | safetydan | I didn't think we compiled with strict aliasing turned on, do we? |
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| 00:35:35 | stripwax | "all non-iram memory address for cop do need to be aligned+padded" which "implies it's out of the way of non-IRAM on cpu"? |
| 00:36:06 | linuxstb | austriancoder: You're being optimistic asking for a doc ;) (but I agree, it would have been nice..) |
| 00:36:10 | stripwax | 'which implies' = 'to ensure' ? |
| 00:36:13 | Klevi | This may be obvious, but if I use PSP video 9 to encode MPEG videos, will it work with Mpegplayer on my sansa? |
| 00:36:43 | stripwax | Klevi - Mpegplayer plays mpeg1 and mpeg2 video. I don't know what PSP video 9 does but if the output is an mpeg1 or mpeg2 file, then maybe |
| 00:36:56 | Klevi | its mpeg 4 |
| 00:36:58 | Klevi | sadly |
| 00:36:59 | stripwax | nope |
| 00:37:06 | jhMikeS | stripwax: if data for the COP is aligned to cache line boundaries, then no cache line on CPU can share the same address range. it mutually excludes it because all data areas on the COP include a full cache line. |
| 00:37:20 | linuxstb | Klevi: The PluginMpegplayer page describes the requirements - and lists some suitable encoders. |
| 00:37:41 | Klevi | Winff it is then! |
| 00:37:58 | bobrules | why does my sansa freeze when I try to open bmp files using rockpaint |
| 00:38:17 | stripwax | jhMikeS - ah, gotcha. I think that would be an easy enough change to make and no, there's nothing there to currently ensure that (so maybe I got lucky when I didn't get random crashes..) |
| 00:38:41 | Klevi | Also, any reason why USB mode randomly thinks to disconnect? |
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| 00:38:52 | Klevi | Sometimes, that happens |
| 00:39:01 | stripwax | bobrules - freeze in what way? can you still bring up the rockpaint menu> |
| 00:39:03 | stripwax | ? |
| 00:39:12 | bobrules | I have to hold power for 20seconds |
| 00:39:23 | amiconn | hrmm |
| 00:39:29 | bobrules | the pictures are the default ones that came with my sansa |
| 00:39:34 | bobrules | I can open it using OF |
| 00:39:41 | stripwax | bobrules - we've had this conversation before, too |
| 00:39:56 | stripwax | bobrules - if you just load rockpaint from the Plugins menu, what happens |
| 00:40:01 | amiconn | demystify.c changes the backlight timeouts via the multi-screen api, and isn't adjusted to the new backlight handling |
| 00:40:05 | bobrules | it works |
| 00:40:25 | stripwax | jhMikeS - is there an easy way to say 'I want to align everything in this .c/.h file to cache line boundaries' or similar? |
| 00:40:27 | amiconn | However, helper.c uses the lcd api directly - but doesn't have functions to handle the remote lcd |
| 00:40:30 | bobrules | when I open rockpaint I see a blank screen |
| 00:40:32 | stripwax | bobrules - and you can bring up the rockpaint menu? |
| 00:40:49 | bobrules | yes by pressing record |
| 00:41:00 | amiconn | I added those, but then using the ld api for backlight but the multi-screen api for other things is somewhat hackish. |
| 00:41:09 | amiconn | So I'm undecided what to do :/ |
| 00:41:22 | bobrules | when I open a bmp it freezes |
| 00:41:27 | stripwax | bobrules - hm, and if you load one of your .bmps then you can't access the menu afterwards (or do anything at all)? |
| 00:41:51 | bobrules | as soon as I select a bmp, the thing freezes |
| 00:42:17 | stripwax | right just want to get clear what freezes means. the record key no longer brings up the menu, right? |
| 00:42:33 | bobrules | no it doesn't show the picture |
| 00:42:38 | bobrules | I can't click any button |
| 00:42:49 | bobrules | it shows the select picture screen when it freezes |
| 00:42:57 | bobrules | I can't press any buttons |
| 00:42:58 | stripwax | bobrules - can you post the .bmp somewhere? |
| 00:43:03 | bobrules | sure |
| 00:43:18 | bobrules | gimme a few minutes |
| 00:43:41 | stripwax | bobrules - can you load ANY bmp using rockpaint? (e.g. pick one of the ones from c:\windows) |
| 00:44:00 | bobrules | yeah i'll try that too |
| 00:44:05 | bobrules | I can open jpg fine |
| 00:44:39 | stripwax | bobrules - I suspect those bmp files are either in an unusual format or corrupted in a way that the OF doesn't mind... |
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| 00:45:17 | PaulJam | stripwax: those form c:\windows wont work, rockpaint cna't load images that are larger than the screen resolution. |
| 00:45:36 | bobrules | maybe that's the problem>? |
| 00:45:58 | PaulJam | in that case it should show an error and not crash |
| 00:46:05 | stripwax | PaulJam - oh (for some reason I thought it could.. sorry) |
| 00:46:08 | bobrules | the dimension of the bmps are 175 x 224 |
| 00:46:56 | PaulJam | (it used to crash, but that was fixed long ago afaik) |
| 00:47:08 | bobrules | do I upload the image to downlaod, or upload it to somewhere like photobucket? |
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| 00:47:44 | stripwax | either |
| 00:47:56 | stripwax | assuming it can be downloaded from photobucket |
| 00:47:58 | preglow | jmspeex: what was medfilter.c used for? |
| 00:48:00 | Klevi | ... hm somethings wrong with Winff after installing it.. |
| 00:48:16 | jmworx | preglow: it's not used |
| 00:48:26 | jmworx | (I was hoping to use it eventually) |
| 00:48:44 | preglow | i'll just remove it from our repo as well |
| 00:48:50 | jmworx | but I removed it recently |
| 00:49:08 | preglow | yeah, i noticed |
| 00:50:17 | jhMikeS | stripwax: there's macros to assist the alignment. CACHEALIGN_ATTR. padding is trickier |
| 00:50:21 | bobrules | this is really weird |
| 00:50:30 | bobrules | I can open the files with windows fine |
| 00:50:43 | bobrules | but when I upload it to flickr or photobucket it gives me an error |
| 00:50:44 | stripwax | jhMikeS - great! I'll take a look when I'm .. back from a short vacation early next week :( |
| 00:50:47 | jhMikeS | stripwax: I'd recommend flushing the CPU before starting the COP thread. |
| 00:51:00 | stripwax | jhMikeS - thanks (I'm writing this all down :-) |
| 00:51:09 | jhMikeS | have fun on vacation |
| 00:51:32 | jhMikeS | or vacation as in just too busy |
| 00:51:55 | stripwax | no, actual holiday (to sunny Norfolk) |
| 00:52:29 | preglow | sunny part of britain? :> |
| 00:52:46 | * | jhMikeS was thinking Virginia, USA |
| 00:52:53 | bobrules | the mbp is only 80.0 KB is this normal? |
| 00:52:54 | stripwax | bobrules - does the error suggest there is something wrong with the file? Could you ftp it somewhere instead? |
| 00:53:24 | bobrules | I'll uplaod it then |
| 00:54:25 | bobrules | http://files-upload.com/files/649981/Alleyway.bmp |
| 00:54:26 | stripwax | preglow - right, not really that sunny, and probably very cold too |
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| 00:55:28 | stripwax | bobrules - sorry, I can't even view that bitmap in windows.. |
| 00:55:29 | jhMikeS | Norfolk, Virginia might be sunny...:) |
| 00:55:55 | bobrules | did you wait 30 seconds? |
| 00:56:07 | bobrules | It's rapid share kind of wesite |
| 00:56:10 | bobrules | no direct download |
| 00:56:25 | preglow | i've had plenty of nice summers in the south of britain, so i should shut up, though |
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| 00:57:58 | * | jhMikeS likes sideways freezing rain and months of darkness himself since it matches his usual moods |
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| 00:58:24 | pixelma | the only thing I notice is that it is 32-bit |
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| 00:58:52 | austriancoder | serial over usb works :) |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:04 | bobrules | where did stripwax go? |
| 01:00:52 | preglow | jhMikeS: you'd like the climate here, then |
| 01:01:03 | preglow | i only go out if i have to these days, heh |
| 01:01:29 | jhMikeS | preglow: probably would suit me. if there's no boating involved, I hate the sunlight. :) |
| 01:01:50 | * | preglow loves sunlight :/ |
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| 01:02:14 | linuxstb | austriancoder: Nice ;) |
| 01:02:23 | preglow | what do we use that for? |
| 01:03:18 | austriancoder | linuxstb: will commit my stuff in some minutes, but the new usb stack needs some work. at the moment it supports only one hardcoded device driver :( |
| 01:03:29 | bobrules | rockpaint can't open any bmp, I tried with a lot of pictures |
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| 01:06:05 | linuxstb | austriancoder: Maybe you should share a patch? There's no rush to commit. |
| 01:06:28 | preglow | what do we use serial over usb for? |
| 01:06:47 | linuxstb | bobrules: Your bmp files are bad - the size is shown as being "-224" pixels wide and "imagemagick" gives a warning that "Length and filesize do not match". |
| 01:06:48 | jhMikeS | to just say we can? |
| 01:06:52 | linuxstb | preglow: Debugging. |
| 01:07:00 | preglow | we currently do that, or can we do so now? |
| 01:07:09 | austriancoder | preglow: at the moment it is only a proof-of-concept |
| 01:07:15 | preglow | ok, cool |
| 01:07:19 | preglow | it's nice to have, that's for sure |
| 01:07:27 | jhMikeS | we can start code stepping on target? |
| 01:07:39 | amiconn | Bagder: ping |
| 01:07:39 | bobrules | linuxstb but can you open it with paint? |
| 01:07:45 | austriancoder | preglow: we could wirte e.g. logf/debug messasges over usb |
| 01:07:48 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, if we code some kernel support for it |
| 01:08:05 | Klevi | Speaking of USB, "Rockbox Media Player" comes up when it feels like it, does that mean a build of rockbox without using the OF for USB transfers is on its way? |
| 01:08:08 | linuxstb | bobrules: I'm not using Windows, but as I said, "imagemagick" can read it, but with that warning. |
| 01:08:15 | austriancoder | linuxstb: the changes are very minimal and by default the charger_only stuff is used.. so I will commit it :) |
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| 01:08:58 | PaulJam | linuxstb: but still rockbox shouldn't freeze. i can open the .bmp fine with paint and irfanview. |
| 01:09:32 | linuxstb | PaulJam: Of course. |
| 01:09:35 | bobrules | can anyone? try opening it with rockbox |
| 01:09:37 | pixelma | bobrules, linuxstb: I can open the bmp in Photopaint perfectly - reports dimensions correctly and that it is 32-bit, Photoshop on the other hand says it would be an unsupported format |
| 01:09:43 | jhMikeS | preglow: would help me now for sure |
| 01:10:39 | bobrules | does rockbox even open bmp? |
| 01:10:50 | linuxstb | Didn't Tomasz get gdb working over usb-serial for the iFP port? |
| 01:10:51 | PaulJam | bobrules: maybe you should open a bugreport and if possible attach one of the problematic images. |
| 01:11:05 | bobrules | okay I'l ltry |
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| 01:11:25 | pixelma | does rockpaint get along with 32-bit? IIRC core Rockbox should do but the plugin? |
| 01:12:28 | linuxstb | pixelma: rockpaint uses the core bmp reading function, so support should be identical. |
| 01:12:33 | bobrules | does anyone actually read bug reports? |
| 01:12:55 | jhMikeS | sure |
| 01:13:11 | pixelma | linuxstb: ah, thanks |
| 01:13:12 | linuxstb | bobrules: Of course. And all bug reports get sent to a mailing list that all (or at least most) of the devs subscribe to. |
| 01:13:45 | linuxstb | bobrules: That doesn't mean that someone will take an interest and fix it though - but if you don't report it, there's less chance... |
| 01:14:03 | preglow | i read at least the subject of every bug report... |
| 01:14:08 | * | jhMikeS wonders what the boot table is for IPOD_ARCH |
| 01:14:14 | bobrules | anyone know a website to upload a file permanently? |
| 01:14:56 | * | preglow spots charset fanciness |
| 01:15:12 | jhMikeS | bobrules: how big is the image? |
| 01:15:16 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:15:19 | bobrules | 80kb |
| 01:15:25 | * | preglow hates "editors" that can't leave text you don't edit alone |
| 01:15:26 | bobrules | kB |
| 01:15:37 | jhMikeS | that should attach to the FS report I'd think |
| 01:15:38 | Llorean | Can't the image simply be attached to the flyspray task? |
| 01:16:06 | bobrules | oh my bad |
| 01:16:25 | austriancoder | preglow: sorry... whats the used encoding for rockbox files - me has an utf8 system |
| 01:16:53 | jhMikeS | preglow: they know better that mere humanoids and kindly reinterpret it |
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| 01:17:45 | amiconn | pixelma, bobrules, linuxstb: The BMP is 16 bit. The only problem I can see is that the encoded height is negative, but that can't be because height is an uint32 |
| 01:18:15 | * | amiconn checked with a hex editor. comparing with struct bmp_header in bmp.c |
| 01:18:18 | jhMikeS | -height = flip vertically IIRC about the spec |
| 01:18:31 | petur | yup |
| 01:18:37 | amiconn | That can't be if height is specified as being an uint |
| 01:18:45 | petur | -height = image is top down |
| 01:18:48 | bobrules | it came with my sans e200 |
| 01:19:06 | bobrules | there's a software to convert images for the player |
| 01:19:07 | amiconn | Ah, those weird sansa oroginal images... |
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| 01:19:26 | bobrules | but I tried with a new mbp |
| 01:19:27 | petur | they are more common than you think |
| 01:19:31 | amiconn | That explains the funny resolution - higher than wide |
| 01:19:32 | bobrules | this time it jsut gives me an error |
| 01:19:40 | preglow | austriancoder: i also have that, but my editor doesn't change anything that isn't utf8 unless i ask it to |
| 01:19:48 | jhMikeS | amiconn: the official microsoft spec doesn't define them as unsigned |
| 01:20:04 | preglow | austriancoder: i can't remember what charset we use, i think we should just use utf8, but some people disagree |
| 01:20:19 | preglow | austriancoder: just change it back to what it was and you should be ok |
| 01:20:25 | austriancoder | preglow: name of your editor? me is using kwrite |
| 01:21:07 | preglow | austriancoder: gvim/vim, it seems to me that anything kde based seems to obsessively try to convert the charset of anything edited, kate also does it |
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| 01:22:39 | bobrules | http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y61/bobthebest1992/?action=view¤t=right.jpg |
| 01:22:42 | bobrules | here's one I tried |
| 01:22:47 | * | jhMikeS wonders why COP/CPU_CTL are *(unsigned char *) when retailos uses *(unsigned long *) |
| 01:22:51 | bobrules | it gives me an error when opening with rockpaint |
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| 01:23:07 | Nico_P | austriancoder: I'm afraid you'll have to correct the char manually now that you've saved |
| 01:23:18 | amiconn | petur: This is the first BMP with negative height I've ever seen... |
| 01:23:28 | austriancoder | preglow: will try vim |
| 01:23:31 | Llorean | bobrules: That's a jpeg... |
| 01:23:45 | petur | Ie seen many when doing work on some image manipulation stuff |
| 01:23:50 | bobrules | photobucket converted it I think' |
| 01:24:01 | petur | s/ie/i've |
| 01:24:08 | bobrules | on my drive it's called right.bmp |
| 01:24:09 | Nico_P | austriancoder, preglow: we use latin1 |
| 01:24:21 | austriancoder | Nico_P: thanks for this info |
| 01:24:27 | * | petur swears at crap linux keyboard handling |
| 01:24:35 | bobrules | hold on i'll try flickr |
| 01:24:45 | Nico_P | austriancoder: in kate/kwrite it's called iso-8859-1 |
| 01:25:12 | preglow | Nico_P: does latin1 have ? |
| 01:25:19 | Nico_P | yes |
| 01:25:22 | preglow | ok |
| 01:25:27 | preglow | i still think we should use utf8 |
| 01:25:27 | preglow | :> |
| 01:25:32 | * | Nico_P too |
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| 01:25:34 | preglow | only weird people don't use utf8, it's the future |
| 01:25:36 | * | austriancoder too |
| 01:25:53 | preglow | i really, really want to put an end to character sets other than utf-* |
| 01:26:04 | austriancoder | time to go to bed... need to talk to Zagor tomorrow |
| 01:26:07 | * | preglow likes making things eas |
| 01:26:09 | preglow | y |
| 01:26:21 | bobrules | wait how do I tell if a picture is jpeg or bmp |
| 01:26:32 | jhMikeS | bitmaps have 'BM' at the start? |
| 01:26:33 | Nico_P | austriancoder: it's nice that you're working on improving that code |
| 01:26:45 | bobrules | when I upload it to flickr, it's jpg again |
| 01:27:24 | amiconn | Hmm, BITMAPINFOHEADER indeed specifies signed variables |
| 01:27:26 | austriancoder | Nico_P: the serial stuff was quite easy... I want back that I can switch between serial and storage... we will see |
| 01:27:50 | * | amiconn wonders who put struct bitmap_header the way it is in bmp.c |
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| 01:28:18 | * | austriancoder bed |
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| 01:31:54 | bobrules | okay I can open bmp's that are converted to bmp from jpg |
| 01:32:08 | * | linuxstb wonders what's up with the website - it's like austricancoder's commit never happened... |
| 01:32:17 | bobrules | but when it's unconverted bmp, rockpaint shows error |
| 01:32:22 | amiconn | I commited something too |
| 01:32:33 | linuxstb | Yes, I just noticed. And preglow... |
| 01:32:33 | amiconn | That's why I pinged Bagder |
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| 01:33:01 | pixelma | linuxstb: that happened before too but usually only once |
| 01:33:10 | * | jhMikeS wonders why screen regulation seems off on 3g where screens with alot of black seem to be washed out and retailos doesn't have this problem. |
| 01:33:55 | amiconn | Retailos does have the same problem, it just hides it by not using too much black |
| 01:34:14 | amiconn | G1/G2 also have that problem |
| 01:34:15 | jhMikeS | some screens have more black on it than the main menu in rockbox |
| 01:35:05 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Maybe they dynamically tweak contrast or something? |
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| 01:36:05 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Would be interesting to know your lcd sub-type |
| 01:36:13 | jhMikeS | I just adjusted the contrast setting in rockbox a little higher and it keeps it from doing that |
| 01:36:26 | amiconn | Maybe it's a sub-type where we don't apply the dc-dc frequency tweak yet |
| 01:36:53 | jhMikeS | the buffering screen still comes out a bit splotchy |
| 01:37:03 | amiconn | So... the bmp loader has to learn how to handle top-down BMPs |
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| 01:38:59 | jhMikeS | amiconn: 1g/2g have specific code to change converter frequency? |
| 01:39:20 | Klevi | ... Is it possible to scale a converted video to the proper dimensions for the Sansa c200? |
| 01:39:38 | Llorean | Klevi: You should scale it while converting... |
| 01:39:51 | Klevi | theres no option for the C200 under inff |
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| 01:39:54 | Klevi | *winff* |
| 01:40:06 | Klevi | only the e200. |
| 01:40:17 | Llorean | You can just type in the width and height manually |
| 01:40:34 | Klevi | OI! youre right.. |
| 01:40:36 | Llorean | Use the e200 settings, then type them in. |
| 01:40:48 | Klevi | I entirely overlooked that.. |
| 01:40:51 | Klevi | ^.^;; |
| 01:40:57 | Klevi | Thanks. |
| 01:41:11 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I see code to do it in there |
| 01:41:29 | amiconn | jhMikeS: In the G1..G3, the lcd controller seems to have problems providing stable voltages with changing display content |
| 01:42:20 | amiconn | Using a higher step-up frequency helps somewhat, but I only enabled it for display variants where it was tested |
| 01:42:34 | amiconn | See lcd-gray.c, lines 130..155 |
| 01:42:42 | jhMikeS | what is reg 0xcf00404c? |
| 01:43:13 | amiconn | Unfortunately I don't know. This register check is pulled from the OF |
| 01:43:37 | jhMikeS | well, I'll just see what happens :) |
| 01:43:49 | Klevi | Llorean: What should I enter for Aspect Ratio? Or just leave it blank |
| 01:43:54 | amiconn | But bit 0 indicates which panel is built in, as it seems |
| 01:44:14 | amiconn | You could just output power_reg_h |
| 01:45:01 | amiconn | Hmm, btw, 1st Gen doesn't need that fix as you might have spotted |
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| 01:45:51 | amiconn | There's an interesting table in the OF, listing all greyscale LCD types and subtypes, together with ipod model ids |
| 01:45:52 | Klevi | pixelma: You around? |
| 01:46:16 | amiconn | This table indicates that there was at least a prototype of an ipod mini equipped with PP5002 |
| 01:46:46 | pixelma | Klevi: for a bit. Git a new c200? |
| 01:46:49 | pixelma | *Got |
| 01:46:53 | Klevi | Yes I did |
| 01:46:55 | Klevi | Just today |
| 01:47:01 | Klevi | And already rockboxed |
| 01:47:10 | Klevi | The Radio works perfectly. |
| 01:47:39 | pixelma | nice :) |
| 01:47:40 | Klevi | but, my question was, Has Rockboy recieved a Keymap yet? and can it or not, play GBA roms? |
| 01:47:56 | karashata | rockboy can't play GBA |
| 01:48:04 | Klevi | sadly. |
| 01:48:34 | karashata | I think the Gigabeat would be the only DAP capable of emulating GBA at anything resembling full speed |
| 01:48:39 | pixelma | Klevi: but usual gameboy roms work on the c200 already - though the look funny |
| 01:48:42 | karashata | the other DAPs aren't powerful enough |
| 01:49:22 | karashata | my H10 has trouble even with GBC game emulation, so... |
| 01:49:37 | pixelma | Klevi: I meant that there is also a default keymap prepared now |
| 01:49:40 | Klevi | well remmeber when we played around with that? How Rockboy lacked a menu or escape function back into Rockbox... (the only way to turn it of was to unplug the battery) |
| 01:49:43 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it doesn't look as if it's as simple as the number of black pixels, but more how widely spread they are. Very "dark" screens can look fine, but the buffer thread screen with no bars filled is washed out. |
| 01:49:45 | Klevi | Oh lol.. |
| 01:50:08 | Klevi | okie, thanks. |
| 01:50:17 | jhMikeS | amiconn: what address? |
| 01:50:36 | amiconn | Hmm, don't remember |
| 01:50:49 | * | amiconn hopes it's marked in one of his ida projects |
| 01:50:51 | Klevi | karashata: I see. |
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| 01:51:19 | bobrules | can the scroll wheel be used in rockbox? |
| 01:51:26 | Klevi | What player? |
| 01:51:32 | bobrules | like all four direction, sans |
| 01:51:45 | Klevi | I do believe so, yes. |
| 01:51:46 | bobrules | I meant rockboy |
| 01:52:00 | Klevi | Oh, rockboy. Not sure then. |
| 01:52:14 | jhMikeS | amiconn: there's also a DEV_RS2 register and a device reset similar to the PP502x targets |
| 01:52:16 | Klevi | I havent toyed with it yet. |
| 01:53:43 | pixelma | Klevi: about the radio - on mine (and reportedly on others) it still doesn't work perfect. Sometimes it gets "confused" and the frequencies are off, often after I played some music files before |
| 01:54:49 | Klevi | .. hmm *nods* Well, I havent used it too much to run into that |
| 01:55:11 | Klevi | Why does USB keep.... glitching |
| 01:55:17 | bobrules | can anyone explain in crossfade, fade in and fade out? |
| 01:55:34 | safetydan | bobrules: have you read the manual? |
| 01:55:44 | * | pixelma wonders why there are 2 "backlight" settings entry in the "Remote-LCD settings" in a freshly compiled M5 sim |
| 01:55:50 | bobrules | yes I still don't get the difference |
| 01:56:13 | pixelma | might have been there earlier but I very seldom entered that menu... |
| 01:56:36 | bobrules | btw is there a way to tell rockbox to resume playback when the player starts? |
| 01:56:44 | bobrules | automatically btw |
| 01:57:15 | Llorean | bobrules: Yes, set the start screen to the playback screen. You really should spend some time with the manual |
| 01:57:36 | pixelma | Llorean: I'm not too sure if that is in the manual though... |
| 01:57:53 | PaulJam | safetydan: well the crossfade options are somewhat unclear (at least i havent entirely understood how the fade in/out delays work) |
| 01:58:06 | preglow | crossfade options need work... |
| 01:58:49 | Llorean | pixelma: I thought it was? Is it another case of "the old option is there instead"? |
| 01:58:56 | PaulJam | in my opinion it would work better with only 3 options: fade in time, fade out time and overlap. |
| 01:59:05 | safetydan | I think the crossfade documentation just needs a diagram |
| 01:59:11 | safetydan | I'm sure there used to be one |
| 01:59:14 | Klevi | Yes.. Whenever (Still) I switch between artists and have crossfading on.. i get a disgusting amount of static |
| 01:59:28 | Klevi | until I restart |
| 01:59:57 | Llorean | Klevi: By "switch between artists" do you mean the automatic folder change, or when you've created a playlist? |
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| 02:00:05 | bobrules | yeah I often hear what seems like a short loading noise what's it called? |
| 02:00:41 | safetydan | I think that's a Sansa hardware issue. Electrical sounding noise? |
| 02:01:23 | bobrules | wikipedia made me understand fade in and fade out |
| 02:01:24 | bobrules | may be gradually reduced to silence at its end (fade-out), or may gradually increase from silence at the beginning (fade-in) |
| 02:01:36 | safetydan | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3178.5 seems to have a good explanation of the crossfade settings |
| 02:01:42 | safetydan | and even a proposal on how to make it three settings |
| 02:01:48 | pixelma | Llorean: I just know that the manual would need a lot of work, e.g. when filling out plugin button tables for the c200 I was surprised (to say the least) that so few were prepared for the gigabeat... |
| 02:02:03 | Klevi | When I choose a different artist from the "files" view |
| 02:02:31 | bobrules | I hear the noise when the player process something |
| 02:02:37 | * | Klevi has his music organized artist per folder |
| 02:02:44 | Llorean | bobrules: The player is *always* processing something... |
| 02:03:46 | Klevi | I doubt an MP3 players HDD would generate enough noise to cause a beep in headphones... Unless maybe its an Ipod. |
| 02:04:05 | bobrules | like a really slow process |
| 02:04:11 | bobrules | it's a loading screch noise |
| 02:04:16 | safetydan | Klevi: electrical noise, not actual physical noise |
| 02:04:17 | bobrules | is it called clipping? |
| 02:04:22 | safetydan | bobrules: no |
| 02:04:22 | Klevi | especially since most of the drives for them are solid state |
| 02:04:34 | Klevi | No, I know... like a static-ish noise |
| 02:04:54 | bobrules | yeah |
| 02:05:00 | Klevi | My laptop does that |
| 02:05:05 | Llorean | Klevi: Few players Rockbox supports are "solid state", and those don't have "drive", they just have flash on the board |
| 02:05:22 | pixelma | Llorean: just had a look (H100 manual as a test), there is a short paragraph about the start screen option but... |
| 02:05:26 | Klevi | Odd design, the HDD is next to the headphone jack and audio card |
| 02:05:32 | safetydan | It's a known Sansa issue. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11326.0 |
| 02:05:58 | Llorean | pixelma: Not good enough? |
| 02:06:14 | pixelma | not really, no |
| 02:06:31 | Klevi | Llorean: I'm not sure of terminology.. but it got the point across that Mp3 players usually lack moving parts in them.. sorry. |
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| 02:06:47 | amiconn | jhMikeS: This is the table from a mini G2 OF: http://pastebin.ca/802275 |
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| 02:07:28 | bobrules | I see |
| 02:07:35 | amiconn | It contains settings for all other ipods known at that time. I marked those values I was able to re |
| 02:07:56 | bobrules | it's due to crappy earphones? |
| 02:08:02 | bobrules | and others of course |
| 02:08:19 | Klevi | *shrug* I havent had the problem that your talking about. |
| 02:08:33 | scorche | bobrules: no, it is the device...not the headphones |
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| 02:08:35 | bobrules | you need a sansa |
| 02:08:36 | pixelma | Llorean: although, maybe it'll do if someone starts exploring rockbox |
| 02:08:38 | amiconn | The table in a G2 firmware is both shorter *and* has less values per row |
| 02:08:56 | bobrules | scorche it's rockbox, the OF doesn't have this noise |
| 02:09:11 | bobrules | Rockbox, however, seems to buffer the current track and each subsequent track up to available RAM. This makes sense for hard disk players, but on this flash player it's unfortunately exposing a nasty little hardware flaw. |
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| 02:09:33 | amiconn | This is the table from the G2 OF: http://pastebin.ca/802279 |
| 02:09:50 | scorche | bobrules: the device has the noise...it is just more apparent in rockbox |
| 02:09:53 | Klevi | lol... sansa c200 screen + subtitles = not able to read |
| 02:10:05 | bobrules | klevi yeah same |
| 02:10:10 | scorche | read down in the thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11326.msg87493#msg87493 |
| 02:10:24 | bobrules | I think the e200 has bigger screen? |
| 02:10:29 | Klevi | it does |
| 02:11:12 | * | preglow likes closing bugs |
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| 02:11:57 | bobrules | what is electrical nosie, and why can we hear these in our earphones? |
| 02:12:27 | psycho_maniac | anybody remember the example .wps i was making? |
| 02:12:32 | bobrules | I can think of one possible way to reduce the noise |
| 02:12:41 | scorche | bobrules: read the thread... |
| 02:12:55 | safetydan | bobrules: it's caused by interference between the components of your mp3 player. It's basically bad design on the part of Sansa |
| 02:13:10 | scorche | well, sandisk |
| 02:13:30 | * | preglow wonders why he isn't triggering a build |
| 02:13:33 | bobrules | stop audio out when no music or sound is playing |
| 02:13:46 | Klevi | interference of the players internal signals going back and forth between components from the motherboard.. my idea would be that theres a grounding fault somewhere in the players amplification circuit perhaps, or lack of proper sheilding of the audio being sent to your headphones. |
| 02:13:49 | psycho_maniac | what do you think of this for the gigabeat? http://xs121.xs.to/xs121/07485/example_wps_gigabeat.png |
| 02:14:00 | bobrules | that can fix the noise, the nosies happen when I don't play any music |
| 02:14:33 | preglow | amiconn: any idea what's up when builds aren't triggering? |
| 02:14:52 | amiconn | How would I know? |
| 02:15:01 | safetydan | bobrules: the noises happen when you play music as well, you just may not be able to hear them above the music |
| 02:15:04 | amiconn | Guess why I pinged Bagder... |
| 02:15:09 | preglow | right... |
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| 02:15:16 | kaveh | hi all |
| 02:15:21 | preglow | don't expect you to know, but worth asking anyway |
| 02:15:38 | kaveh | sansa e260 works with rockox? |
| 02:15:50 | scorche | v1, yes |
| 02:16:04 | rasher | Bagder: What happened about that buildserver-prodding interface for devs? |
| 02:16:07 | amiconn | Commits don't show up on the frontpage either |
| 02:16:13 | kaveh | scorche, what is v1? |
| 02:16:22 | scorche | the first version |
| 02:16:28 | preglow | amiconn: all four cores of the build server are happily running dnetc :) |
| 02:16:35 | kaveh | scorche, of rockbox? |
| 02:16:41 | scorche | of e260 |
| 02:16:43 | preglow | at full capacity, heh |
| 02:17:00 | kaveh | scorche, ow culd i know? |
| 02:17:15 | scorche | when did you get the device? |
| 02:17:27 | kaveh | scorche, week ago |
| 02:17:46 | bobrules | I got this 2gb sansa for 20 not bad eh |
| 02:17:47 | scorche | does it say that it supports audible on the box? |
| 02:18:16 | pixelma | does it have a "v2" somewhere on the label? |
| 02:18:42 | safetydan | are we really that deadset against a volume limit setting? |
| 02:19:04 | kaveh | scorche, it is refurbished so i dont have theorigiakl box |
| 02:19:05 | scorche | safetydan: it seems silly to add yet another setting |
| 02:19:17 | pixelma | kaveh: or you could check the original firmware's version (in their system menu I think) |
| 02:19:26 | scorche | kaveh: then you should be fine unless, as pixelma said, it says "e260v2" on the back |
| 02:19:53 | bobrules | I also have a refurbished one |
| 02:20:09 | kaveh | hum |
| 02:20:10 | psycho_maniac | is any of that stuff on the wps i created unnecessary? |
| 02:20:17 | safetydan | scorche: actually, ignore my question. I just twigged that using the precut is exactly the same thing. |
| 02:20:19 | bobrules | kaveh does your casing at the back have refurbished engraved? |
| 02:20:25 | kaveh | i did download rockbox.zip |
| 02:20:38 | kaveh | bobrules, yes |
| 02:20:41 | bobrules | same |
| 02:20:49 | scorche | it isnt engraved...it is a sticker... |
| 02:20:57 | bobrules | no mine IS |
| 02:21:00 | scorche | no it isnt |
| 02:21:17 | kaveh | so y rockbx desnot boot |
| 02:21:18 | bobrules | it's carved in |
| 02:21:23 | bobrules | on my e250 |
| 02:21:33 | jhMikeS | interesting. if I boot a r15133 with a newer bootloader, I get the battery message when technically that should be fine. |
| 02:21:39 | scorche | kaveh: you followed the instructions in the manual? |
| 02:21:52 | * | Klevi hugs his 5$ battery powered speakers. |
| 02:22:13 | scorche | please stay on topic.. |
| 02:22:22 | kaveh | scorche, i just download rockbox.zip and unziped it into device |
| 02:22:24 | Klevi | .. Sorry. |
| 02:22:38 | scorche | kaveh: then go back and read the installation instructions in the manual |
| 02:22:48 | safetydan | kaveh: you've missed at least one step |
| 02:23:27 | bobrules | use the utillity |
| 02:24:06 | kaveh | utily does not work |
| 02:24:21 | scorche | is it an e260 or an e260r? |
| 02:24:31 | kaveh | e260 |
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| 02:25:09 | kaveh | just install the firmware |
| 02:26:09 | kaveh | i used sansae200 |
| 02:27:03 | kaveh | is it the same? |
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| 02:29:42 | bobrules | is there a scrolling mechanism for c250? |
| 02:31:57 | kaveh | ohhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 02:32:01 | kaveh | i orgot |
| 02:32:07 | kaveh | thebootloader |
| 02:32:12 | bobrules | lol |
| 02:32:20 | bobrules | read the manual, |
| 02:32:36 | kaveh | i am lol |
| 02:33:17 | pixelma | Klevi: do you also have s microSD_HC_ by any chance? |
| 02:34:02 | bobrules | why? |
| 02:34:23 | Klevi | ..? Oh the Micro SD works finme |
| 02:34:26 | Klevi | *fine |
| 02:34:31 | Klevi | forgot to mention. |
| 02:34:51 | pixelma | Klevi: how many GB is yours? |
| 02:35:00 | Klevi | 1 |
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| 02:35:36 | pixelma | ok, that's also what I have got - so I know it works |
| 02:35:59 | Klevi | *nod* |
| 02:36:07 | Klevi | HOwever Ive noticed USB is being screwy |
| 02:36:12 | pixelma | bobrules: because there was someone in the forums who reported that his 6GB microSD wouldn't work in a c240 |
| 02:36:21 | Klevi | WTF |
| 02:36:24 | Klevi | 6Gb? |
| 02:36:26 | Klevi | Wow |
| 02:36:54 | Klevi | Hold on... I remember seeing that the c200 can only accept up to 2 gb anyway. |
| 02:36:59 | Klevi | on the Forum |
| 02:37:08 | bobrules | sdhc is different from normal micro sd' |
| 02:37:10 | Klevi | **sandisks** |
| 02:37:12 | pixelma | unfortunately it was not his Sansa and had to give it back |
| 02:37:13 | rasher | Klevi: microsdhcs come up to 8gb at the moment. And Rockbox supports sdhc, but the original firmware doesn't. |
| 02:37:22 | Klevi | Ahh ok |
| 02:37:36 | pixelma | rasher: problem is that it is only confirmed on the e200 |
| 02:37:45 | Llorean | rasher: I think the c200 is still having problems with sdhc. |
| 02:37:52 | bobrules | its too expensive |
| 02:37:54 | rasher | Yeah, someone should buy a sdhc already, they're not _that_ expensive |
| 02:38:12 | rasher | Only slightly more than the player, heh |
| 02:38:12 | Klevi | sdhc stands for...? |
| 02:38:20 | KB5ELV | Hi, trying to build a rockbox voice (using linux, swift ...), and after running configure and setting up to build a voice, make voice dies straight away with rbspeex saying "gcc: no input files". I know this is new, so did I manage to miss a step, or what? |
| 02:38:21 | rasher | High capacity |
| 02:38:27 | Llorean | rasher: I got my player for $16. An sdhc is probably 50 or 60 minimum, right? |
| 02:38:30 | Klevi | Ahh |
| 02:38:36 | kaveh | oh it worked |
| 02:38:42 | Llorean | rasher: But once my c200 shows up, I plan to pick up an sdhc and verify things one way or another. |
| 02:38:42 | kaveh | thanks |
| 02:38:49 | Klevi | Radioshack is having a sale right now actually.. |
| 02:38:59 | Klevi | 1gb one for 10$ |
| 02:39:13 | rasher | Llorean: no idea about prices in the us, but a sdhc is slightly more expensive than the $50 I paid for my e250 |
| 02:39:14 | Klevi | Tomorrow.. im All over that. lol |
| 02:39:16 | kaveh | why the screen shut off soon is there any way to change it? |
| 02:39:18 | bobrules | sdhc is really useful when you have a flash card iykwIm |
| 02:39:22 | KB5ELV | Ooh! A Radio Shaft sale! (Hmm, maybe I'll have tto find an excuse to get me a Sandisk player to go with my iAudio...) |
| 02:39:27 | rasher | kaveh: all explained in the manual |
| 02:39:28 | pixelma | Klevi: SDHCs start with 4GB |
| 02:39:34 | Klevi | .. Oh |
| 02:39:48 | Klevi | lmao.. I dont know about any of that. Sorry. |
| 02:39:50 | kaveh | rasher, which par o manual |
| 02:40:17 | scorche | kaveh: whichever matches your device |
| 02:41:51 | bobrules | just read everysetting on rockbox , and mess aroudn with it |
| 02:42:06 | * | pixelma off to bed too, night |
| 02:42:51 | scorche | bobrules: that still might not let you understand it all...manual is a much better option |
| 02:43:05 | KB5ELV | And the manual is really quite good :) |
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| 02:43:15 | bobrules | manual is too boring |
| 02:43:17 | scorche | very fine :) |
| 02:43:19 | Klevi | night Pixelma |
| 02:43:33 | scorche | bobrules: and how could we change that? |
| 02:44:08 | KB5ELV | Well, I mean, it isn't meant to be a riveting novel, but it's very good at what it's meant to do (which is being informative and useful) |
| 02:44:12 | psycho_maniac | HAHA the manual is too boring? what do you want a little animal, like the windows paper clip, bouncing around telling you what to do? |
| 02:44:58 | bobrules | I don't like rockbox's theme, too blue for me |
| 02:45:02 | KB5ELV | A female narrator with stripper music maybe? I dunno. |
| 02:45:13 | bobrules | I want rockbox to look more like wikipedia |
| 02:45:16 | KB5ELV | Then change it (which you'd learn to do, surprise, in the manual) |
| 02:45:20 | Llorean | safetydan: See the last post of the volume limiter thread? After all that, *no* software setting would've met his desires anyway... |
| 02:45:30 | psycho_maniac | theme for the player or the theme on the site? |
| 02:45:38 | bobrules | on the site |
| 02:45:40 | scorche | bobrules: well, we cant always have what we want... |
| 02:45:47 | bobrules | yup |
| 02:46:14 | bobrules | gota go |
| 02:46:20 | psycho_maniac | if you dont like it you can change it bobrules |
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| 02:46:33 | scorche | psycho_maniac: the look of the site? |
| 02:47:19 | psycho_maniac | yes. well the main page. theres a topic in the forums saying to bring examples of changes. |
| 02:47:25 | KB5ELV | So what I really wanna know (I mean, besides how to make building a voice work) is... is it just me, or has battery life on the iAudioX5 decreased since the August builds? |
| 02:47:43 | scorche | psycho_maniac: well, we surely wont change it into wikipedia :) |
| 02:47:55 | Llorean | KB5ELV: Run a couple battery benches? |
| 02:47:56 | psycho_maniac | i would hope not |
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| 02:48:21 | nanok | scorche: it was mentioned at some time, by a very perceptive person, on alt sysadmin recovery, iirc, that the only way to ever get users to read manuals would be using a certain kind of pictures to ilustrate them ;) |
| 02:48:34 | scorche | there are diagrams! |
| 02:49:03 | KB5ELV | 'K, I'll check the wiki on that and see. Not a huge deal, more a curiosity really. |
| 02:49:51 | jhMikeS | AS3525 is an entire SoC and not just an audio codec? |
| 02:50:10 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Yes |
| 02:50:16 | Llorean | 250mhz ARM processor, apparently |
| 02:50:19 | jhMikeS | ah, sweet |
| 02:50:21 | nanok | scorche: i don't mean the kind of pictures _we_ like, but the kind portraying naked female representatives of the human species :) |
| 02:50:21 | safetydan | Llorean: indeed. I was actually going to suggest he do something like that if he wasn't happy with the software. |
| 02:50:32 | jhMikeS | just one ARM? :( |
| 02:50:39 | scorche | nanok: are you saying i dont like those pictures? |
| 02:50:46 | Llorean | safetydan: I'm kinda surprised there's not a company selling kidsafe headphones. Extra durable, lower volume to be safe for their ears, etc. |
| 02:50:58 | * | scorche shuffles off to -community |
| 02:51:01 | nanok | scorche: you did mention on several occasions you are lacking human emotions.. |
| 02:51:02 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Not enough for you? It's nearly a gigabeat. :-P |
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| 02:51:22 | * | jhMikeS was hoping to see "...with four ARM v6 cores" :) |
| 02:51:32 | Llorean | Aaah, of course |
| 02:51:45 | Llorean | Because we need to have our MP3 players running Folding@home during playback |
| 02:52:21 | scorche | Llorean: actually, now that you mention that, i am surprised we dont have a request for that |
| 02:52:36 | jhMikeS | not only that "...with hardware controlled cache coherency to relieve the burdon from software". |
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| 02:53:31 | Llorean | scorche: Folding@home doesn't like open source clients, because they feel they need to be more directly in control of the integrity of their clients. |
| 02:53:36 | jhMikeS | one may dream though... |
| 02:53:39 | Llorean | So it wouldn't be possible even assuming a beastly player |
| 02:53:53 | scorche | well, shame on them |
| 02:54:02 | Llorean | jhMikeS: What, the Gigabeast isn't enough for you? |
| 02:54:20 | safetydan | Llorean: there is at least one http://ingemicorp.com/ |
| 02:54:28 | jhMikeS | I'm sure I'll figure out a way to use it up :) |
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| 02:54:58 | jhMikeS | I'm sure some video processing task will bring it to the edge |
| 02:55:34 | Llorean | jhMikeS: My demands are simple: I want to be able to decrypt a DVD, copy the .vob to disk, and play it on my Gigabeast. No problem right? Menus and everything. |
| 02:58:49 | jhMikeS | haha...simple, no...doable...probably |
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| 03:00:49 | preglow | not only won't it not be easy, it'll be not be trivial! |
| 03:01:20 | preglow | Llorean: happy to see "gigabeast" stuck :D |
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| 03:02:23 | * | scorche still likes zhiggabeat |
| 03:03:14 | XavierGr | preglow: is wma now seekable? |
| 03:03:28 | preglow | XavierGr: yes, but buggy |
| 03:03:34 | XavierGr | the wma page says it is, but not the soundcodecs page |
| 03:03:34 | XavierGr | ah |
| 03:03:52 | preglow | shub gigabeast |
| 03:10:30 | * | Alonea cuddles her gigabeat |
| 03:12:19 | Llorean | It's sad that the Gigabeat F is on the verge of being dethroned as the "vastly too powerful" Rockbox. |
| 03:12:44 | Alonea | Llorean: awww.... |
| 03:13:06 | preglow | damn straight |
| 03:13:07 | Llorean | Alonea: The Gigabeat S could be described as about twice as powerful, I think |
| 03:13:17 | preglow | it's not even funny, really |
| 03:13:41 | alienbiker99 | has there been any progress on the S with the interupts and such? |
| 03:13:47 | preglow | i've definitely got a feeling i'll be geetting an s |
| 03:13:52 | Alonea | Llorean: well, I still adore my F. You guys made it finally get its money's worth. What toshiba gave me is absolute swill compared to what it is. |
| 03:14:01 | preglow | mmm... swill... |
| 03:14:11 | Llorean | Alonea: The F is a fine, fine player. |
| 03:14:18 | Llorean | It's just apparently not the pinnacle of "Ridiculous" any more |
| 03:14:37 | Alonea | preglow: well, It was the first word that I could think of that didn't involve bad language. |
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| 03:15:55 | Alonea | Llorean: ah. such is life. I got mine back when it was 300 bucks. before that i had an archos jukebox. Wonder what I will end up getting next, though wont be getting a new one for another year or two. |
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| 03:16:33 | * | KB5ELV just got his iAudio last year (specifically because it supported Rockbox) |
| 03:16:33 | preglow | Alonea: nothing wrong it either, it just made me want beer, for some reason :) |
| 03:16:58 | psycho_maniac | i wish i would of gotten a gigabeat before i got this ipod 80 video |
| 03:17:30 | XavierGr | speaking of Gigabeasts, I am glad to see that my S is onboard to Greece :) |
| 03:17:37 | XavierGr | will try to help on the porting progress |
| 03:17:40 | Alonea | preglow: lol. not a big fan of beer, now rum on the otherhand or some jack would be nice. |
| 03:18:01 | * | alienbiker99 wishes he could help with the s port |
| 03:18:17 | * | Alonea goes to look at an S and see what's so wonderful |
| 03:18:35 | KB5ELV | Only thing that I hate about the X5 is the line in jack and power being on that stupid weeny sub dock thingy. The Gigabeat doesn't record, does it? |
| 03:19:55 | psycho_maniac | KB5ELV: correct. you cannot record with the gigabeat F |
| 03:19:58 | preglow | i'd kill for jack |
| 03:20:37 | preglow | well, at least hurt |
| 03:20:45 | preglow | tickly, really |
| 03:21:24 | preglow | oh well, bedtime |
| 03:21:24 | preglow | gnight |
| 03:21:32 | Alonea | gawd, all the S needs is a wifi card... |
| 03:21:39 | XavierGr | exactly |
| 03:21:53 | XavierGr | (and maybe recording to much up the H300) |
| 03:22:00 | XavierGr | match |
| 03:22:13 | aliask | I believe it might be possible to get recording |
| 03:22:29 | Alonea | but then thats why I got my nifty cell phone that is NOT the iphone that does everything else my mp3 player cannot. |
| 03:23:25 | aliask | According to the logic block diagram, (at least) one of the poles on the headphone jack is connected to the ADC |
| 03:23:52 | Llorean | aliask: What about from radio? |
| 03:23:59 | XavierGr | interesting, would be quite a surprise |
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| 03:24:35 | alienbiker99 | i would try to put the s bootloader on mine, but i think its pointless since i can't code and it erases my hd |
| 03:24:43 | aliask | Llorean: The FM tuner is linked to the WM8978 on the line-in, I'm not sure if that means it's possible though |
| 03:26:55 | aliask | I think the motivation behind linking the headphone pole to ADC was actually for a remote. |
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| 03:27:51 | psycho_maniac | is there any info on the wiki about the gigabeat remote? |
| 03:28:00 | XavierGr | the F one? |
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| 03:28:24 | aliask | I don't believe there's a gigabeat S remote. I guess it was left at the drawing board. |
| 03:28:24 | psycho_maniac | yes |
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| 03:29:37 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatInfo |
| 03:29:54 | XavierGr | there is a pdf on the far end |
| 03:30:12 | XavierGr | just a schematic of course |
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| 03:31:40 | Alonea | speaking of pdfs and such, is there going to be any more work on the textviewer on adding formats like tagged pdfs? or is that so closed source its never going to happen? |
| 03:32:36 | psycho_maniac | this is on the GigabeatFXPort: "Allow remote use while HOLD is on." do you want to use the remote while the hold button is turned on? |
| 03:32:59 | Llorean | psycho_maniac: Yes, very much so |
| 03:33:14 | Llorean | psycho_maniac: Put the device in a bag. Turn on hold so that nothing can bump the buttons on the device. Control the device with the remote. |
| 03:33:55 | psycho_maniac | that is a bug? i tried it and it seems to be working. unless i misunderstood? |
| 03:33:56 | Alonea | also, (dunno if its been added) will it be possible to have multiple bookmarks so if I change textfiles the other bookmark isn't written over? Also maybe have the ability to have the user save bookmarks as well? |
| 03:34:09 | safetydan | Alonea: PDF is an "open" specification so there would be no problem implementing it. It just takes someone actually interested enough to do it. |
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| 03:34:58 | Alonea | safetydan: hmmm...wonder how different the tagged pdfs are from the regular pdfs. Regular pdfs are pretty much impossible to read on small devices. |
| 03:35:39 | psycho_maniac | so can that be removed from the wiki page or did i not understand it correctly? |
| 03:35:43 | safetydan | Alonea: ah well, the reformatting for display on small screens is obviously going to be hard. Just saying that PDF itself is open |
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| 03:36:37 | Alonea | safetydan: yeah. and thats good that it is open. do you know how long tagged pdfs have been around? I just discovered them the other day for my cell phone (reflow if our friend) |
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| 03:37:11 | Alonea | *is |
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| 03:38:40 | safetydan | it's been around for a while. possibly since PDF was created |
| 03:40:02 | Alonea | safetydan: hmm. well, guess I am an idjit for not finding them sooner. ^^;;; I still need to go in and get rid of the buttons in text viewer that go to the beginning or end of a file. I keep accidentally touching them, which is a pain when the file is a couple hundred pages long... |
| 03:42:06 | safetydan | Alonea: those may have been change recently, like in the past few hours |
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| 03:42:53 | Alonea | safetydan: really? that would be SWEET and saves me the trouble of trying to figure out c on the spot. |
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| 03:44:11 | safetydan | hrm, I may be crazy. I'm sure someone was talking about changing that earlier |
| 03:45:15 | safetydan | and lo' they were |
| 03:45:23 | safetydan | can't find the commit though |
| 03:45:31 | Alonea | safetydan: me neither... |
| 03:46:06 | safetydan | methinks the website is still not working right |
| 03:46:15 | Alonea | safetydan: I have been complaining about it for months, bout time its been changed, or at least have an option |
| 03:46:19 | safetydan | there's been several commits since the ones shown on the front page |
| 03:46:41 | psycho_maniac | when will they show up safetydan? |
| 03:46:44 | Alonea | safetydan: latest commit I see is 30 Nov 01:10Thom Johansen |
| 03:47:26 | Alonea | safetydan: what about having multiple bookmarks? |
| 03:47:31 | psycho_maniac | last one i see is "Add some brief instructions to compile sansapatcher" |
| 03:48:03 | safetydan | Alonea: bookmarks are another issue |
| 03:48:03 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: I see 5 above that |
| 03:48:31 | Alonea | safetydan: ah. now, did I see right, but doesn't mpeg player have ability for multi bookmarks? |
| 03:48:51 | safetydan | psycho_maniac: website is having issues |
| 03:48:56 | psycho_maniac | on the main page that is. |
| 03:49:14 | safetydan | Alonea: possibly, but that's not going to help the text viewer |
| 03:52:45 | Alonea | I am not the best on this stuff, but doesn't the textviewer save the state to a file? note that I don't really have any experience on this, but logically to me it seems easy, but then again, I am often proven wrong. |
| 03:53:13 | psycho_maniac | ok i see 5 above that one also. but on the main page i dont see the new comments. |
| 03:53:45 | psycho_maniac | are the new commits on http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html compiled in the current builds? |
| 03:55:11 | Alonea | i will brb |
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| 04:07:19 | Alonea | ok, back |
| 04:08:07 | jhMikeS | someone's been type punning again (in metadata.c) |
| 04:09:23 | jhMikeS | lines 336/347 |
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| 04:22:58 | safetydan | jhMikeS: yup, but lostlogic wasn't sure how to fix it. |
| 04:23:31 | jhMikeS | ah |
| 04:23:47 | * | jhMikeS also sees the avoiding of initial spinup is messed up on recording |
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| 04:24:12 | DarkDaemon | hey guys |
| 04:24:30 | jhMikeS | hits the disk every time I do a file split and everything |
| 04:24:41 | DarkDaemon | just wondering if you can point me in the right direction to get that "Recently Added" feature in the database up menu and running |
| 04:25:31 | psycho_maniac | dont the new songs you added add themselves? |
| 04:25:48 | DarkDaemon | they do but they dont show in the Recently Added menu |
| 04:26:41 | psycho_maniac | maybe you have to update your database? |
| 04:26:47 | DarkDaemon | i do |
| 04:27:10 | DarkDaemon | like in theory, once i update my database, the new songs that i added should go into the recently added menu, but they dont show up there |
| 04:27:38 | psycho_maniac | what DOES show up in that list? |
| 04:28:01 | DarkDaemon | its says All songs, then when i go into that menu, its empty |
| 04:28:24 | DarkDaemon | i'll be right back, mcdonalds run |
| 04:31:06 | psycho_maniac | yuck |
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| 04:42:18 | paperclip | so.. a funny thing happened on the way to installing rockbox today.. |
| 04:42:41 | paperclip | I think i bricked my sansa c240 |
| 04:43:02 | psycho_maniac | i hope by "funny" you mean you can laugh at it now because you fixed it? |
| 04:43:29 | paperclip | well.. no.. it was like $20 deliverd.. so it's mildly humorous |
| 04:43:56 | paperclip | i suspect it's in manufacturer mode.. |
| 04:44:03 | nanok | $20 delivered? you mean you only payed for the delivery? :) |
| 04:44:26 | paperclip | it was a woot.com deal.. $15 + $5s/h |
| 04:44:48 | * | nanok should start checking out that site |
| 04:45:25 | paperclip | it's pretty odd.. only one product per day.. but it's generally well below retail |
| 04:45:37 | paperclip | these were refurbs.. i actually got two of them.. |
| 04:45:57 | paperclip | one brick and one unbricked as of yet.. |
| 04:46:40 | paperclip | so.. linux doesn't see the brick at all when it's on and plugged in.. i suspect that's pretty bad.. |
| 04:48:10 | safetydan | paperclip: it should be possible to unbrick it. There's instructions somewhere on the wiki |
| 04:49:02 | paperclip | even if my kernel doesn't detect it at all? |
| 04:49:08 | safetydan | oh wait, that's for the e200 |
| 04:49:56 | safetydan | paperclip: try the trouble shooting instructions here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port |
| 04:52:13 | paperclip | thanks.. |
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| 04:53:29 | ddalton | How do I create .talk clips? |
| 04:54:34 | paperclip | i think the rbutil can assist you.. |
| 04:54:44 | paperclip | you need the proper incoders |
| 04:54:54 | paperclip | er.. encoders |
| 04:55:22 | ddalton | I am on linux will that work? |
| 04:55:23 | paperclip | maybe even just the speex encoder |
| 04:55:27 | ddalton | I don't have a gui either |
| 04:55:40 | paperclip | oh.. you need qt |
| 04:55:45 | paperclip | for that.. |
| 04:55:54 | ddalton | what on linux? |
| 04:56:11 | paperclip | rbutil uses qt on all platforms |
| 04:56:20 | paperclip | qt is handy like that.. |
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| 04:56:25 | ddalton | oh and can it run from a terminal? |
| 04:56:38 | ddalton | I am blind a guis aren't very accessible |
| 04:56:46 | paperclip | nope.. |
| 04:57:28 | ddalton | oh is there a bash script in the source? |
| 04:57:42 | ddalton | maybe trunk/tools I can't find one and the one I have is out of date. |
| 04:57:46 | paperclip | i'm new here.. |
| 04:57:50 | ddalton | where did gentalkclips.sh go? |
| 04:59:02 | paperclip | looks like it was deprecated |
| 04:59:17 | ddalton | oh... Why? |
| 04:59:38 | ddalton | because of the new incoding? |
| 04:59:51 | paperclip | try tools/voice.pl |
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| 05:00:02 | ddalton | how do I use that one? |
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| 05:00:25 | paperclip | no idea.. but i think that's where it has been moved according to the changelog |
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| 05:04:50 | paperclip | i just looked at voice.pl there is a new function as of 16 November called gentalkclips that does the work |
| 05:05:27 | ddalton | yep I saw that. So what do I have to do to run it on /media/iriver and use espeak? |
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| 05:06:39 | paperclip | i suspect something like `perl voice.pl −−help` would give you a clue |
| 05:07:06 | ddalton | and how do I adjust the rate to 320 words a minute and the volume to 2.1? |
| 05:07:55 | ddalton | nup |
| 05:08:13 | paperclip | -S=<TTS engine options> |
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| 05:08:50 | paperclip | `perl voice.pl` should give you the usage options.. |
| 05:09:01 | paperclip | there are a lot of them |
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| 05:10:25 | paperclip | rate and volume would be in the options you pass to your TTS engine, right? |
| 05:12:00 | ddalton | yes Im just not sure what espeak's are. My screenreader controls that for me so I have never had this problem |
| 05:12:21 | ddalton | ok but thanks anyway I will look into it |
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| 05:21:42 | paperclip | anyone know why rbutil would crap out while trying to download themes? it complains about my (non-existent) proxy.. |
| 05:22:14 | scorche | it isnt on your end |
| 05:23:08 | paperclip | well i figure it isn't since everything else works fine.. |
| 05:24:39 | psycho_maniac | would it be because of the url change? |
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| 05:28:14 | scorche | it wasnt just a URL, but yes |
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| 05:34:09 | paperclip | hmm.. i wonder how long until that is fixed? |
| 05:34:21 | scorche | hopefully not long |
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| 05:38:07 | DarkDaemon | hellop |
| 05:38:09 | DarkDaemon | hello* |
| 05:38:49 | DarkDaemon | i was here earlier about the "recently added" menu problem on an ipod 80gb |
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| 05:39:10 | psycho_maniac | ah yes. that problem. |
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| 05:39:24 | DarkDaemon | haha hello again psycho_maniac |
| 05:40:05 | psycho_maniac | you get it fixed or try to ? |
| 05:41:12 | DarkDaemon | no such luck |
| 05:41:32 | DarkDaemon | i was looking it up and i read somewhere that there is some feature i need to turn on but then i lost the page :( |
| 05:43:02 | psycho_maniac | oh i think its "gather runtime data" correct me if im wrong |
| 05:43:15 | DarkDaemon | oooh |
| 05:43:17 | DarkDaemon | i think it is |
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| 05:43:28 | DarkDaemon | let me look this up |
| 05:47:08 | DarkDaemon | ah |
| 05:47:13 | DarkDaemon | yes it is psycho_maniac |
| 05:47:33 | DarkDaemon | i will test it tomorrow but from what i read online, this should do the trick |
| 05:47:38 | DarkDaemon | thanks alot for the help |
| 05:48:01 | psycho_maniac | cool. i was just about to test it myself. |
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| 06:02:08 | alienbiker99 | why isnt the front page and the builds not updating? |
| 06:04:27 | paperclip | so.. i am able to get linux to see the c240 by inserting the cable while holding the center button.. so maybe it is unbrickable |
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| 06:10:29 | Jadaira | Hi |
| 06:11:19 | psycho_maniac | hello |
| 06:17:57 | Jadaira | I was researching the potential of a particular project... and was wondering on a few things.. |
| 06:18:38 | Jadaira | Im sure youve heard of cover flow and whatnot right? |
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| 06:19:38 | Jadaira | Hello |
| 06:19:49 | Mouser_X | Question: If I wanted to make voice files/talk clips/those things for my Gigabeat, where can I find info on what voice types are available? For kicks and giggles, I'd like to have a voice similar to the one in "Portal" voice the stuff. |
| 06:20:43 | Jadaira | No clue.. havent delved into the voice area yet... im working on a library |
| 06:21:32 | Mouser_X | Library? Library of what? |
| 06:21:54 | Jadaira | Vincent 3d... |
| 06:21:59 | Jadaira | embeded opengl |
| 06:22:27 | Jadaira | Im looking to make it possible to develop crap like coverflow on things like gigabeat |
| 06:22:27 | paperclip | mouser you can use any TTS engine and voice |
| 06:22:50 | psycho_maniac | mouser did you search for "voice" in the wiki? that could probably help you get started |
| 06:24:10 | paperclip | look for voice.pl |
| 06:24:42 | paperclip | trunk/tools/voice.pl |
| 06:25:13 | Mouser_X | psycho_maniac: No I didn't. As I said, I'd only do it for kicks and giggles. Really, I was wondering if anyone happened to know what "voice font" I'd want to use, to get a "Portal" or "Apeture Science Center" voice style. |
| 06:26:03 | Mouser_X | If someone directed me to a pretty close substitute, I'd consider it. It'd make me laugh to hear it when scrolling through. |
| 06:26:06 | safetydan | Jadaira: it's possible, but not sure how practical it will be |
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| 06:26:44 | psycho_maniac | mouser where are those voices from? i guess i wouldnt laugh as i dont know where there from :S |
| 06:27:37 | Mouser_X | Portal, the game? |
| 06:27:42 | Jadaira | Well.. 300mhz is plenty enough cpu.. and 32 megs enoguh ram for sure |
| 06:27:44 | psycho_maniac | just because i can, DarkDaemon: runtime data is what you were looking for in recently added. |
| 06:28:19 | psycho_maniac | nope. guess i have to look it up in google |
| 06:30:31 | Jadaira | The library is soo close.. it will do fixed point math... any bitdepth... arm... only issue is that its dynamically linked >.< |
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| 06:32:44 | Jadaira | Welcome Back |
| 06:36:22 | safetydan | Jadaira: dynamic linking isn't an issue. Most of the Rockbox codecs started life as libraries. What might be an issue is the slowness of the LCD frame buffer updates. |
| 06:36:39 | Jadaira | I've seen this library work on cell phones... regardless... it is just eye candy... so im not sure its work the effort.. |
| 06:36:53 | Jadaira | plus theres alot of non-arm players out there |
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| 06:40:39 | Jadaira | So... noone else has any opinions? |
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| 06:42:27 | safetydan | opinions don't really matter, code does :) |
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| 06:45:59 | Jadaira | Goodpoint :P |
| 06:47:11 | safetydan | You'll never get an OpenGL ES implementation in to the core, but in a plugin it would be more than welcome |
| 06:48:34 | Jadaira | Of course... |
| 06:49:08 | Jadaira | I might one off something simpler to do 2d animation animation.. |
| 06:50:08 | Jadaira | simple sliding animations would be pretty darn eye candyish... and 75% less code and room, etc |
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| 06:54:29 | psycho_maniac | what is this plugin you want to creatte for? |
| 06:54:51 | Jadaira | cover flow |
| 06:55:09 | Jadaira | image and album cover visualization |
| 06:55:13 | paperclip | hmm.. anyone familiar with e200tool? |
| 06:56:59 | advcomp2019 | paperclip, yea many people |
| 06:58:04 | paperclip | well.. i'm having some fun with it.. |
| 06:58:39 | Jadaira | thats for the sansa right? |
| 06:58:56 | paperclip | yup |
| 06:59:23 | Jadaira | Gonna get my dad a sansa for xmas.. put rockbox on it |
| 06:59:48 | Mouser_X | Awesome. |
| 06:59:50 | paperclip | i have a c200 that after running `e200tool init` i can run i2cdump and ic2verify and that looks good to me.. |
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| 07:00:27 | paperclip | I can even turn the device off.. but recover doesn't work.. |
| 07:00:50 | Mouser_X | I bought 2 Sansa e250's. I *plan* on giving one as a Christmas present, but I don't know to who... The other I was kind of wanting to keep for myself (I already have a Gigabeat thugh, so I wouldn't use it much). |
| 07:01:13 | psycho_maniac | me :) |
| 07:01:30 | Jadaira | I have a gigabeat f40.. bought it on purpose for rockbox because it played video so well.. |
| 07:01:40 | Jadaira | has anyone done that battery update with the ipod battery? |
| 07:01:46 | paperclip | i'm not terribly impressed with the build quality of the c200 series.. i also have an iRiver T10 that feels much nicer.. |
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| 07:05:51 | psycho_maniac | Jadaira: i plan on doing it in the next couple weeks as soon as my battery gets here. |
| 07:06:33 | Jadaira | The article said it was an ipod batter... but.. where can I get one of those... and does it really run for 24 hours? |
| 07:06:51 | paperclip | ebay |
| 07:07:10 | Jadaira | Any particular model? |
| 07:07:14 | Jadaira | prod id? |
| 07:07:18 | psycho_maniac | ebay. use the model number on the wiki page to find the battery. |
| 07:07:46 | Jadaira | cool :) |
| 07:09:00 | psycho_maniac | it shows the model number on the GigabeatBatteryUpgrade wiki page. hope thats the right page |
| 07:09:58 | Jadaira | that should roughly double the video time to like... 6 hours.. |
| 07:10:18 | psycho_maniac | i could watch about 2 whole movies |
| 07:10:48 | Jadaira | I watch anime often... anyone else use gigabeat for lots of video? |
| 07:11:48 | psycho_maniac | Jadaira: are you wanting to do the battery upgrade? the battery i bought was less than 15 bucks and thats high pricing it. |
| 07:12:04 | Jadaira | Yeah.. im thinking of it. Why the hell not? |
| 07:12:16 | Jadaira | Now I wont have to charge it for like 2 weeks at a time :P |
| 07:12:46 | psycho_maniac | if you didnt get the model number from the wiki page its this: CS-IPOD4HL |
| 07:13:35 | Jadaira | Thanks! |
| 07:14:01 | Jadaira | any idea why the capacity is so differnet? |
| 07:14:35 | psycho_maniac | i dont understand |
| 07:15:00 | Jadaira | Why is it that two liOn batteries (ipod and gigabeat) can be so different in capacity? |
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| 07:15:32 | Jadaira | They are the same size.. so.. like.. maybe its that new nano-tech stuff theyve been using. |
| 07:15:46 | psycho_maniac | maybe |
| 07:16:14 | Jadaira | Oh.. question.. I bought my GBF40 used... and it creaks.. does yours do that? |
| 07:16:58 | psycho_maniac | yes but not very loud i actualllly have to listen hard to hear it. |
| 07:17:32 | * | Mouser_X watches about 1-1.25 hours of video on his Gigabeat daily. |
| 07:17:45 | Jadaira | Lunch break? ;) |
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| 07:18:03 | Mouser_X | Actually, it's closer to 1 hour. It's 2-3 20-22 minute shows. |
| 07:18:24 | Jadaira | And how many days before a recharge? |
| 07:19:28 | Mouser_X | I have an 8 hour day. I to be able to have it last the whole day, I have to recharge it nightly. However, on one charge, it will last me (including videos) about 14-15 hours. |
| 07:19:42 | Mouser_X | *To be able to have last the whole day, |
| 07:20:31 | psycho_maniac | i think my battery might be bad. that is one reason why i wanted to do the upgrade |
| 07:22:41 | Mouser_X | There's been times when I forgot to charge it the night before, and it dies about 1 or 2 hours before the end of the day. Thus, if I listened to it the day before (which would be about 8 hours), and it died 1-2 hours before the end of the day after (about 6-7 hours), that brings it to 14-15 hours. This includes watching about 1.75-2.25 hours of video. |
| 07:23:25 | Mouser_X | (1.75-2.25, being 2 days added up.) |
| 07:25:28 | Mouser_X | Jadaira: Yes, on my lunch break. |
| 07:26:00 | Jadaira | Battery bought :) |
| 07:26:35 | Jadaira | Thats about the performance I am getting Mouser_X |
| 07:26:49 | psycho_maniac | i had videos on my gigabeat but they were lost because i switched the hd in it. |
| 07:27:16 | Jadaira | I wonder if you could put a SSD 1.8 drive in a GB |
| 07:28:48 | Mouser_X | I've never bothered watching a video that was long enough that it'd drain the battery. It'd be interesting to see how long it lasts though. Call me optimistic, but I'm thinking it'd be longer than 6 huors, considering that I can watch an hour + of video, and still have 13+ hours of runtime (excluding video time). |
| 07:29:03 | Mouser_X | *6 hours |
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| 07:32:01 | psycho_maniac | can you use the battery bench while playing a video? |
| 07:32:15 | Jadaira | no.. cause the player is a plugin |
| 07:32:23 | Jadaira | cant run two plugins at once :P |
| 07:32:40 | psycho_maniac | dang. i would really like to test that. though. |
| 07:32:54 | Jadaira | Use a stopwatch? :P |
| 07:33:37 | Jadaira | The one thing I noticed.. was that with the new battery... the values for time left were totaly off.. |
| 07:33:44 | Jadaira | Would need to adjust those. |
| 07:34:42 | psycho_maniac | got the link handy? |
| 07:34:43 | Jadaira | Whats the capacity of the gigabeat battery? mines set at 2025 mAh |
| 07:35:34 | Jadaira | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/GigabeatBatteryUpgrade/battery-bench.txt |
| 07:35:35 | psycho_maniac | Jadaira: 830mAh |
| 07:35:48 | Jadaira | really... no wonder my times are tottally wrong :P |
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| 07:37:52 | Mouser_X | Nico_P: I haven't tested myself, but HCS said that ADX playback still isn't working properly with backwords seeking. |
| 07:38:06 | Mouser_X | Specifically, there are instances where it still doesn't loop. |
| 07:38:09 | Nico_P | oh |
| 07:38:31 | Mouser_X | I mentioned it to lostlogic yesterday or so. |
| 07:38:58 | Jadaira | Are you guys talking of the seek funkyness? |
| 07:40:16 | Mouser_X | Jadaira: ADX is a looping format. For it to do so, it plays to the end of the file, then returns to somewhere near the beggining, and plays through again. However, with the MoB, the ADX that is at the end of the buffer is overwritten when new data is brought in. Thus, when it attempts to loop, it can't because its data is gone. |
| 07:40:55 | Jadaira | Ahh |
| 07:41:11 | Mouser_X | I was hoping that when backwords seeking was fixed, that it'd fix ADX playback as well. However, HCS (who ported ADX support into Rockbox) says that it's still broken. |
| 07:42:00 | Jadaira | Yeah... Ive found that it does it even at the begining of a track at time |
| 07:42:05 | Jadaira | times ^ |
| 07:45:26 | Jadaira | Well.. I thank everyone for their ideas about the opengl... and the help with the battery.. but its my bedtime. Talk to you all another time! |
| 07:45:43 | psycho_maniac | good luck on the battery upgrade installation |
| 07:46:31 | Mouser_X | Good luck on the plugin. Sounds interesting. |
| 07:46:51 | Jadaira | Thanks! |
| 07:47:14 | psycho_maniac | could one put a hd upgrade page on the wiki? |
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| 07:47:34 | Mouser_X | psycho_maniac: Isn't there already one there? |
| 07:48:19 | psycho_maniac | theres one for hds over 137gbs i was thinking a page like the GigabeatBatteryUpgrade page but with a hard drive. |
| 07:49:31 | psycho_maniac | i only had help from Llorean i think for my hd upgrade. and had to find other instructions online |
| 07:49:44 | FunkyELF | are there any "contact list" type applications for rockbox? |
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| 07:54:26 | psycho_maniac | the bad part is i could do a hd upgrade page but i already did it and that was a couple days ago. forgot to take pictures of my progress |
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| 08:00:03 | Mouser_X | psycho_maniac: What's to stop you from doing it in reverse? |
| 08:00:12 | Mouser_X | Or, undoing it, and then doing it again? |
| 08:00:55 | psycho_maniac | i dont know. maybe ill do it again. when i do my battery upgrade also one step was to format it. but i can just show the screenshot of the info before i click "format" |
| 08:02:17 | Mouser_X | That'd work. |
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| 08:02:35 | Mouser_X | So, how is it having an F80? |
| 08:03:06 | Mouser_X | I'm betting it's nice to have enough space to dump whatever you want on there, without having to worry about space (though, that won't last long). |
| 08:03:42 | psycho_maniac | im curious if i can put the program on the rockbox site. its only 84kb but its made by toshiba. |
| 08:03:55 | psycho_maniac | yeah but i already only have 30gbs free on it haha |
| 08:04:18 | Mouser_X | What program? The one you used to format the drive with? |
| 08:05:57 | psycho_maniac | yeah |
| 08:06:11 | psycho_maniac | called "gbformat.exe" |
| 08:09:16 | psycho_maniac | well i have to go |
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| 08:51:49 | GodEater_ | I've told you people before. Summoning requires a small sacrifice and a ritualistic dance! |
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| 08:53:17 | * | Mouser_X dances. |
| 08:53:30 | Mouser_X | (The potty dance...) |
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| 09:00:00 | amiconn | hi LinusN |
| 09:00:11 | Mouser_X | amiconn: Your summoning powers seem to be a little slow. |
| 09:00:44 | Mouser_X | That must be one *amazing* animation/summoning sequence... |
| 09:00:49 | amiconn | LinusN: One of the servers seems to have serious problems. There were several commits last night, but neither did they trigger a rebuild, nor show up on the frontpage :( |
| 09:01:00 | LinusN | oh |
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| 09:05:53 | ddalton | rasher are you familiar with voice.pl? |
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| 09:07:58 | ddalton | LinusN: do you know? |
| 09:08:08 | ddalton | about voice.pl? |
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| 09:09:54 | LinusN | nope, not a thing |
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| 09:10:30 | ddalton | LinusN, ok. do you know how I can generate .talk clips then? |
| 09:11:02 | LinusN | not really |
| 09:11:28 | ddalton | LinusN, I see tools/gentalkclips was removed... was it? |
| 09:11:34 | ddalton | or am I missing something? |
| 09:12:12 | LinusN | ddalton: i know next to nothing about talk file generation |
| 09:12:40 | ddalton | LinusN, ok thanks anyway. Do you know who I should ask? |
| 09:13:22 | LinusN | not really... |
| 09:13:49 | ddalton | LinusN, ok |
| 09:14:13 | GodEater_ | ddalton: the dev mailing list perhaps ? |
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| 09:14:48 | ddalton | GodEater_: ok I tried the users one but Ill try dev as well. Thanks |
| 09:15:24 | * | GodEater_ notices the name of a developer in the forums he's never heard of before |
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| 09:16:29 | * | linuxstb can't notice anything in the forums at this time of day... |
| 09:17:39 | GodEater_ | they've just died again =/ |
| 09:18:10 | pixelma | some here, always starting at around 9 (my time) |
| 09:18:14 | pixelma | *same |
| 09:19:07 | LinusN | frustrating |
| 09:19:19 | * | amiconn is annoyed by those repeated server problems :( |
| 09:19:47 | amiconn | They always tend to happen when none of the 3 admins are around... |
| 09:20:32 | LinusN | hehe |
| 09:21:51 | amiconn | lostlogic: The warnings are still unfixed... |
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| 09:22:50 | * | GodEater_ votes that amiconn gets made a server admin |
| 09:23:22 | LinusN | fixing these issues requires root access... |
| 09:24:07 | pixelma | GodEater: you mean theli? He's the one that wrote zxbox... |
| 09:24:48 | pixelma | s/that/who |
| 09:24:58 | * | pixelma needs some more coffee |
| 09:26:11 | GodEater_ | pixelma: yes I did mean theli ;) |
| 09:26:32 | GodEater_ | LinusN: "sudo" |
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| 09:29:47 | amiconn | Hmm. Not only are these Sansa "demo" images top-down (I just added top-down BMP handling) - they're also not exactly screen sized |
| 09:30:06 | amiconn | ...which means they still can't be loaded |
| 09:30:26 | amiconn | They are 176x224, instead of 176x220 |
| 09:31:49 | GodEater_ | does uninstalling an e200r involve e200rpatcher again ? |
| 09:32:21 | pixelma | interesting that they took a different format for the e200, The c200 sample pictures are standard jpgs |
| 09:33:25 | markun | what kind of demo images? |
| 09:33:50 | pixelma | pictures that come with the original firmware |
| 09:34:46 | linuxstb | GodEater_: No, e200rpatcher doesn't have an uninstall option - all it does is patch 4 bytes in the original firmware bootloader to remove a signature check. |
| 09:35:15 | linuxstb | GodEater_: The actuall install on an e200r is done manually - i.e. copying the Rockbox bootloader mi4 to the device and performing a normal firmware upgrade. |
| 09:35:27 | GodEater_ | this isn't detailed in the manual currently then ? |
| 09:36:08 | linuxstb | I guess not. |
| 09:36:34 | GodEater_ | I'll leave that forum post for someone who knows what they're talking about then |
| 09:38:10 | amiconn | The good thing is that top-down BMP handling adds just 16 bytes to SH1 binaries |
| 09:39:04 | roxfan | does anyone have pinout of pp5020? |
| 09:39:16 | LinusN | no |
| 09:39:32 | roxfan | :( |
| 09:40:00 | LinusN | ok, there were not that many changes between the 32MB and 64MB models after all' |
| 09:40:09 | LinusN | in fact, only one |
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| 09:40:33 | * | GodEater_ tries to guess what it was |
| 09:40:37 | LinusN | the 64MB model has a different charging circuit |
| 09:41:02 | LinusN | giving more charge current |
| 09:41:08 | GodEater_ | nifty |
| 09:41:22 | GodEater_ | it's the same circuit between 5.5 and 5 ? |
| 09:43:13 | LinusN | this came from disassembling the 5.5 ROM |
| 09:43:39 | GodEater_ | you have the patience of a saint |
| 09:44:03 | LinusN | i'm working to find out how to enable the serial port |
| 09:44:19 | LinusN | still no luck |
| 09:44:21 | GodEater_ | =/ |
| 09:45:30 | LinusN | there is code for a debugging tool over the serial port in the ROM, but i don't yet know how to enable it |
| 09:46:33 | LinusN | amiconn: is the oscillator exactly 24MHz on the video= |
| 09:46:34 | LinusN | ? |
| 09:47:46 | amiconn | Afaik it is. 24MHz is the standard oscillator on all PP targets |
| 09:48:07 | LinusN | ok |
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| 09:49:09 | LinusN | looks like the divider for the 16550 UART is a little wrong |
| 09:49:37 | linuxstb | LinusN: You're looking at the IPL kernel source? |
| 09:49:43 | LinusN | no |
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| 09:50:17 | linuxstb | So where is it wrong? |
| 09:50:21 | LinusN | unless divider == (register_value + 2) |
| 09:52:15 | amiconn | I didn't see +2 so far, but specifying dividers as (reg_value+1) seems to be common in the PP world |
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| 09:55:15 | LinusN | they set the divider to 76 to get 19200 bps, but that gives 19736, it would have been better to use 78, which gives 19230 |
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| 09:55:56 | LinusN | otoh, i hear that people sometimes have problems with 19200 when communicating with ipods |
| 09:57:14 | amiconn | Well, if the register value is 76 I'd expect the divider to be 77 |
| 09:59:13 | LinusN | yea, which still isn't optimal |
| 09:59:59 | LinusN | then it is 19480 |
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| 10:04:05 | linuxstb | LinusN: Sorry to distract you, but are you able to rename the WMA wiki page to SoundCodecWMA (to be consistent with other SoundCodec* pages) ? |
| 10:04:19 | LinusN | bien sr |
| 10:04:48 | * | petur congratulates LinusN on his french ;) |
| 10:05:05 | LinusN | merci |
| 10:05:12 | petur | :) |
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| 10:16:00 | jhMikeS | amiconn: If I made no mistakes, it looks like r15655 is responsible for the battery issues on 3g. r15654 has no issue. |
| 10:19:50 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Very odd. This is the LCD speedup thing |
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| 10:20:13 | amiconn | But you can try to reintroduce the bits I left out because they didn't seem to do anything |
| 10:20:45 | jhMikeS | yeah...I used a good running build I know is compatible with all bootloaders at that point and binary searched the bootloaders. |
| 10:21:00 | amiconn | Replace the or'ed-in 0x0084 with 0x4085 |
| 10:21:21 | amiconn | (i.e. set bits 0 and 14 additionally) |
| 10:24:39 | jhMikeS | nope |
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| 10:26:13 | jhMikeS | using the original line of code clears it up though |
| 10:27:06 | amiconn | Original code line? |
| 10:27:31 | amiconn | Befre my commit, we didn't touch LCD1_CONTROL on PP5002 apart from the backlight bit (bit 1) |
| 10:27:36 | amiconn | *Before |
| 10:28:14 | jhMikeS | LCD1_CONTROL = (LCD1_CONTROL & ~0x1f00000) | 0x1700000; |
| 10:28:14 | amiconn | And I doubt that the lcd bridge speed setting influences battery reading directly |
| 10:28:25 | amiconn | That line was for Mini 2nd Gen *only* |
| 10:28:51 | jhMikeS | ah, well it works anyway. obviously it influences more than the lcd |
| 10:29:06 | amiconn | (Only the Mini 2nd Gen uses the bridge in serial mode) |
| 10:29:38 | amiconn | Well, I would not want to go back to pre-speedup lcd code. This is a factor of 2 on PP5002! |
| 10:29:41 | jhMikeS | I can't deny the result. It's a bootloader from latest SVN with only that line changed. |
| 10:30:14 | jhMikeS | probably a bit that needs proper setting. I'm wouldn't be satisfied just reverting either. |
| 10:30:20 | amiconn | I think the problem is diffierent. The faster LCD might mess up the voltage reading as we might read earlier |
| 10:31:53 | amiconn | It could also be something completely different |
| 10:32:44 | amiconn | Iirc LinusN found that the ipod diag mode reads the battery voltage from ADCIN1 (?), while we're using BATVOLT (?) |
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| 10:33:08 | LinusN | that is true |
| 10:33:10 | amiconn | This might apply to all PCF-equipped ipods |
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| 10:34:11 | jhMikeS | voltage is read out normally |
| 10:34:50 | jhMikeS | but the voltage read is tied to the disk |
| 10:35:09 | amiconn | You said the battery readout problems also go away if you disable caching |
| 10:35:29 | jhMikeS | that too |
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| 10:35:46 | amiconn | That would point towards timing problems (just reading too early with cache enabled and fast LCD setting) |
| 10:37:01 | jhMikeS | the newer line clears alot of bits...leave the reg alone and I'll dump it |
| 10:37:13 | amiconn | ? |
| 10:37:36 | amiconn | The LCD code sets the whole register except bit 1, which it keeps |
| 10:37:53 | amiconn | That's the backlight bit, i.e. it keeps the backlight in the current state |
| 10:38:42 | amiconn | The default register value on most targets using the mono bridge is 0x4687 or 0x4685 (backlight state dependent) |
| 10:39:09 | amiconn | The register is only 16 bit on PP5002, and bit 15 is the "bridge busy" bit, i.e. read only |
| 10:40:07 | amiconn | Bit 14 and bit 0 don't seem to do anything (and the PP502x greyscale ipods don't have them set). |
| 10:40:32 | amiconn | Bits 10 and 9 set the bridge speed |
| 10:40:43 | amiconn | 0b11 is slowest, 0b00 is fastest |
| 10:40:55 | amiconn | For serial hookup, only bit 9 has an effect |
| 10:41:41 | jhMikeS | recommend a udelay ? |
| 10:42:32 | amiconn | udelay where? why? |
| 10:43:17 | amiconn | Changing various other bits makes either display content disappear, or even freeze rockbox completely |
| 10:44:11 | amiconn | Bit 2 is most probably lcd controller reset when the bridge is in bridge mode. It can also be used in controller mode, but no target I know of uses that. The mode is selected in DEV_EN |
| 10:44:42 | jhMikeS | Well, I'll find out. The effect is persistent in any case. |
| 10:46:27 | jhMikeS | Leaving something alone in the high byte stops the problem |
| 10:48:00 | * | pixelma still wonders why there are 2 "backlight" entries in the X5/M5 remote lcd settings (newer builds, r15841 has it, had an ooold simulator r14963 that didn't have it) |
| 10:49:21 | amiconn | jhMikeS: That sounds weird... |
| 10:56:28 | amiconn | Adding or removing the LCD1_CONTROL handling moves code up or down. Changing the constants might also do that on arm, because gcc might decide to either compose the values, or load them using ldr |
| 10:57:05 | amiconn | I think what you're seeing is the same caching issue that also seems to be responsible for the crashes |
| 10:57:44 | amiconn | Did you try the lcd speedup on a pre-Oct 16 build |
| 10:57:46 | amiconn | ? |
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| 11:01:34 | jhMikeS | the default reg value here is 0xc687 |
| 11:02:17 | jhMikeS | it is on r15133 |
| 11:02:19 | amiconn | That's effectively 0x4687, or 0x4685, like I said |
| 11:02:36 | jhMikeS | I write in assemly then |
| 11:02:39 | amiconn | Bit 15 changes dynamically |
| 11:02:41 | jhMikeS | *I'll |
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| 11:03:02 | amiconn | And bit 1 is the backlight bit, i.e. the backlight is on in your case |
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| 11:05:02 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
| 11:05:18 | mrkiko | the unique crashy place in rockbox is now the FM radio virtual keyboard... |
| 11:05:31 | mrkiko | but probaby it may be not my fault |
| 11:05:56 | jhMikeS | the problem is 1) this is only the bootloader and is running in IRAM. 2) it's on every revision after that unlike the other problems. |
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| 11:08:53 | jhMikeS | could be bit-15 is different for reading over writing which wouldn't be unheard of |
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| 11:12:00 | jhMikeS | nope, using asm making sure the value is loader with ldr has the same results |
| 11:12:54 | amiconn | But why would the lcd bridge influence battery readout, which is handled by the pcf on 3rd Gen and higher? |
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| 11:13:43 | jhMikeS | writing 0x686 to the register directly works fine |
| 11:14:10 | jhMikeS | do I have datasheet or schematics? :) |
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| 11:15:40 | amiconn | Yeah, but 0x686 is slow |
| 11:16:33 | jhMikeS | is bridge speed a clock source select from the clocking setup? |
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| 11:18:31 | amiconn | I'm not sure. |
| 11:19:40 | amiconn | The speed difference for the various bit combinations of bit 9 and 10 don't show a recognisable pattern |
| 11:20:07 | pixelma | with one of tonight's commits there is 1 additional warning in the sims now |
| 11:20:15 | amiconn | But I think the bridge is clocked from the core clock source, because changing that while the lcd is active makes it hang after some time |
| 11:20:37 | jhMikeS | It hates anything but 0x6xx |
| 11:20:46 | pixelma | in wma.c |
| 11:21:10 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Then try to insert a delay before the first battery readout |
| 11:21:45 | amiconn | I'm quite sure you just see the effect of an early read |
| 11:22:07 | jhMikeS | early in proximity to what? |
| 11:22:18 | amiconn | early after power-on |
| 11:23:09 | amiconn | May also be early after pcf init, whatever |
| 11:24:14 | jhMikeS | Then why when this is setup as you have, does the effect of the disk persist on the battery level (which it should not in the manner it does). |
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| 11:29:25 | jhMikeS | anywhere else besides the power thread I should insert a delay? |
| 11:30:45 | preglow | so, 1-3g behaving yet? :> |
| 11:32:25 | LinusN | btw, the battery reading in the OF uses the ADCIN1 subtractor channel |
| 11:32:37 | jhMikeS | amiconn: ok, I'll give that one. the delay helps for sure whereas not delaying had lasting effects. |
| 11:33:42 | jhMikeS | preglow: perhaps bit by bit :) |
| 11:35:25 | * | jhMikeS thinks that the threads just get going too fast nowadays ;) |
| 11:36:53 | amiconn | Delaying the first battery read a bit might be a good idea on all targets |
| 11:40:13 | jhMikeS | The one I threw in was ridiculous |
| 11:42:03 | jhMikeS | sleep(HZ/100) seems more than enough and guarantees at least a ticks worth |
| 11:42:09 | jhMikeS | it works |
| 11:46:05 | jhMikeS | the compensation on my batt at least seems a bit under though...quite a bit of rise after startup. I don't think the battery is very healthy anyhow. |
| 11:51:29 | jhMikeS | that reminds me, I'd better double check with the low batt shutdown reenabled :) |
| 11:56:21 | jhMikeS | that's committed |
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| 11:59:48 | preglow | \o/ |
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| 12:02:29 | jhMikeS | there is the case that timeout blocked threads explicitly woken will run within micoseconds instead of having to wait out ticks so some hidden delays may be gone |
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| 12:08:22 | * | jhMikeS wonders when #define TARGET_TREE will be unnsecessary |
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| 12:15:09 | jhMikeS | SPC next track info is borked :\ |
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| 12:15:36 | jhMikeS | sometimes... |
| 12:16:14 | jhMikeS | or wait, that wasn't changed yet? bleh...my head's been in the sand lately |
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| 12:29:45 | preglow | jhMikeS: hcs hasn't fixed metadata handling yet |
| 12:30:49 | jhMikeS | It's just that I observed something I haven't seen before |
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| 14:16:33 | linuxstb | scorche, Soap__ : Any idea what the problem is with www.rockbox-themes.org ? It's now giving a 404... |
| 14:17:18 | Soap__ | yea - redbreva needs to change some things - he tried a bad fix. |
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| 14:52:21 | GodEater_ | hmm |
| 14:52:31 | GodEater_ | where *has* the ipod classic thread gone from the new ports forum ? |
| 14:52:46 | GodEater_ | it's all very well keep telling people to search, but if the main thread has disappeared - it won't help them much |
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| 14:55:27 | LinusN | GodEater: seems to be this one: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12465.0 |
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| 14:57:07 | LinusN | i don't see an ipod classic thread in the "new ports" forum... |
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| 15:05:29 | linuxstb | There's one here - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13355.0 |
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| 15:11:59 | LinusN | linuxstb: informative thread indeed :-) |
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| 15:14:03 | linuxstb | Indeed... Although probably just as informative as any other... |
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| 15:58:54 | AEX | SSS |
| 15:59:06 | LinusN | TTT |
| 15:59:33 | AEX | how can i check in which version the buttons have been changed? |
| 15:59:58 | AEX | ? |
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| 16:00:13 | LinusN | sansa? |
| 16:01:48 | LinusN | if so, you can see it here: http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=sansae200 |
| 16:02:12 | Rincewind | for sansa, the relevant revision is r15461 |
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| 16:05:17 | bobrules | who's Jens Arnold? |
| 16:05:26 | bobrules | thanks for looking into the bmp problem |
| 16:06:27 | PaulJam | bobrules: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks |
| 16:06:55 | bobrules | thanks |
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| 18:09:06 | webguest30 | Hi to all German speaking Rockboxers. It seems someone is trying to sell rockbox at Ebay. Start price is 1,99 €, p&p 2,99 €. Look for the article named "Aufrüstung für mp3 Player. Mehr Funktionen + Programme" |
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| 18:11:25 | Tuplanolla | webguest30: i think you should report it to ebay |
| 18:11:54 | Llorean | Why? |
| 18:12:25 | Llorean | Rockbox is GPLed. Anyone's free to sell copies of Rockbox preinstalled on players as long as they comply with the license and provide the source or make the source available upon request. |
| 18:13:02 | * | Domonoky sees no mention of GPL in the auktion txt .. |
| 18:13:37 | Llorean | Domonoky: I don't think it'd explicitly have to be in the auction text. |
| 18:14:38 | scorche|w | well, there was an instance before of someone selling rockbox on ebay as his own product, no license, etc |
| 18:14:52 | Llorean | That's problematic, of course |
| 18:14:57 | * | Domonoky also sees no mention of the name rockbox.. |
| 18:15:06 | * | scorche|w doesnt either |
| 18:15:40 | Llorean | Again though, the name Rockbox doesn't need to be mentioned |
| 18:15:48 | Llorean | He can even rename it if he wants, the GPL doesn't say anything about that. |
| 18:16:16 | Domonoky | and when does he need to provide the source? only if i buy ? |
| 18:16:27 | Llorean | Pretty much. |
| 18:16:33 | scorche|w | well, i know that, but it leads me to wonder if he is claiming it all as his own work |
| 18:16:35 | Llorean | He hasn't distributed the program to you until you buy it. |
| 18:16:54 | Llorean | And the GPL specifies that if you distribute it, then you must provide the source upon request. |
| 18:16:58 | Llorean | At least, if I understand correctly |
| 18:17:26 | Llorean | I would suggest perhaps an email asking him about the software. Just "What is this software? Did you make it? What does it do? Can you tell me more about it before I buy?" or something |
| 18:17:58 | * | Domonoky will send a message .. :-) |
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| 18:18:00 | scorche|w | haha: Darüberhinaus benötigen Sie zur Installation der Software einen PC mit Windowsbetriebssystem. |
| 18:18:24 | Llorean | Ach |
| 18:18:26 | webguest30 | The GPL preamble reads: "Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and *charge* for this service if you wish)," |
| 18:18:36 | scorche|w | Domonoky: if you wish, i can send you what i did for the other ebay person |
| 18:18:39 | Llorean | The keymapping on the c200 isn't bad, but the volume controls are exactly the opposite of what I expected. |
| 18:19:00 | scorche|w | webguest30: charging for it isnt the issue, as we said...it is attribution and licensing |
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| 18:22:06 | webguest30 | Ebay doesn't allow selling software on recordable media such as CD-R's. He surely has to use those. But as he doesn't mention anything about that, Ebay will not act in any way. |
| 18:23:41 | * | Domonoky has sent a message, we will see what he says :-) |
| 18:24:44 | paperclip | what about electronic transfer of the files... and as far as source goes.. couldn't he provide a link to rockbox.org upon request and be reasonably compliant? |
| 18:24:54 | Galois | no, he can't provide a link to rockbox |
| 18:25:08 | paperclip | a link to his own server? |
| 18:25:14 | Galois | the GPL specifies three compliant ways to distribute the source |
| 18:25:22 | Galois | 2a) include the source with the program |
| 18:25:22 | Llorean | paperclip: If he's distributing the software *he* must distribute the source. This is because our site isn't guaranteed to always be around, and he's the one providing the copy of the program |
| 18:25:36 | Galois | 2b) include an offer to distribute the source later |
| 18:25:47 | Galois | 2c) provide a link to another source like rockbox.org |
| 18:25:57 | Galois | 2c) is only valid for noncommercial distribution, so he can't use that |
| 18:26:15 | Galois | 2b), interestingly, requires the source to be distributed to ANYONE |
| 18:26:23 | Galois | not just the person who originally received the program |
| 18:26:33 | paperclip | ahh.. so he could also charge a "reasonable fee" for the media |
| 18:26:48 | Galois | yes, he could charge a reasonable fee. If he did that, then he would have to open the offer up to anyone |
| 18:27:05 | Galois | otherwise, he can include the source with the program at the point of sale |
| 18:27:09 | Galois | then he doesn't have to do anything else |
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| 18:27:51 | paperclip | most people would be like WTF is all this crap on my cd.. |
| 18:28:17 | Galois | oops, I screwed up the section number. All my 2's should be 3's. |
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| 18:34:28 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Is there a relatively easy fix for these constant "Start Code" errors in mpegplayer, or is that going to be dependent on your larger rework? |
| 18:40:43 | Lear | I think the e200 mapping is a little backwards too. At least the volume in the WPS... |
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| 18:44:27 | DerPapst | Lear: the volume control on e200 in the WPS is good as it is. clockwise -> volume + ; counterclockwise -> volume - |
| 18:47:14 | Llorean | Lear: The problem with the c200 is that I think of the screen as "Up" from the controls when it's in my pocket. But they've decided "Right" is volume up, and "Left" is down, whereas I think "Left" relative to the screen is "Up" when in my pocket. It's entirely personal preference though, not something I'd change. |
| 18:47:22 | Llorean | The keymapping in the WPS is a little odd feeling though |
| 18:47:51 | Llorean | Though, when hanging from the lanyard bit, again "Down" would be up, and "Up" would be down for volume. Hm. =/ But it's the way they have their controls |
| 18:48:09 | Llorean | Lear: What's wrong with the e200 volume control? |
| 18:48:34 | Llorean | It's the same as the direction you'd turn a dial on a stereo, for example |
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| 18:49:50 | bobrules | e200 mapping is great what'the problem? |
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| 18:52:57 | DerPapst | the only thing where i'm not 100% happy with the e200 keymapping is that you can't cancle a setting screen with 'down' but only with 'left' and controls of some plugins |
| 18:53:23 | Llorean | DerPapst: Why should down be cancel? |
| 18:54:38 | DerPapst | dunno. but if i want to leave the screen i always press down and not left. in a setting screen 'down' button isn't mapped anyways iirc |
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| 18:55:09 | Llorean | DerPapst: I'm not sure what settings screen uses as a context. |
| 18:55:29 | Llorean | But it sounds like something that could be fixed. Does the power button work as cancel? |
| 18:56:18 | DerPapst | e.g. settings > Sound Settings > Volume there you can't use down to cancel. but menu works |
| 18:57:03 | DerPapst | but in other menus 'menu' stops playback. so until you suggested to test 'menu' i would have never expected this behaviour. |
| 18:57:09 | Llorean | Why does *everyone* call it "Menu" when "Power" is a good deal more accurate, since that label's actually *on* it, and that's the one function of it we can't change. |
| 18:57:47 | bobrules | you'll get use to it really fast |
| 18:57:59 | DerPapst | below my powerbutton it says "menu" that's why i called it menu :S |
| 18:58:05 | Llorean | But ON it, it says Power. |
| 18:58:17 | Llorean | Or shows the power logo, rather |
| 18:58:33 | Llorean | Anyway, what exactly gives you the expectation that the button that functions as "Menu" in Rockbox would cancel? |
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| 18:59:21 | DerPapst | yeah... but i don't see why this is a problem when i call it menu. i'll try to call it power from now on. |
| 18:59:40 | Llorean | Well, it's a problem because there's two "Menu"-like buttons |
| 18:59:48 | DerPapst | yep ;) |
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| 19:00:04 | DerPapst | whats why i said down... but whatever ;) |
| 19:00:15 | Llorean | Yes, but "Down" and "Power" keeps it explicit |
| 19:00:27 | Llorean | "Menu" could mean "The button that says menu" or "The button that does menu" |
| 19:00:38 | DerPapst | ok. i'll call them like that from now on. |
| 19:01:02 | Llorean | But again, what leads to the expectation that Down would cancel? It could be fixed, but it's possible that the fix could clash elsewhere, and I'd like to explore where the expectation comes from first. |
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| 19:02:19 | DerPapst | anyways... if i click on Volume in Sound Settings it feels like getting a menu structure deeper. and if i want to go une level up i would press 'down' and expect it to cancel |
| 19:02:28 | DerPapst | *one |
| 19:03:10 | Llorean | But Down invokes or de-invokes the whole menu... it doesn't go up one level anywhere else in the menu structure, does it? |
| 19:03:13 | DerPapst | if i want to use the selected setting press 'center' which does already work like that |
| 19:03:29 | bertrik | mmmm, press down to go up ? |
| 19:03:54 | Llorean | If anything, I'd expect it to not only cancel, but take you to the "Main" menu, rather than simply going up one level |
| 19:04:07 | DerPapst | Llorean: correct... that's something else i'm not used to yet. |
| 19:04:16 | bobrules | does WinFF support flash video? |
| 19:04:36 | Llorean | DerPapst: What exactly are you comparing it to then. I thought you were a Rockbox user previously. |
| 19:04:41 | Llorean | bobrules: As an input, yes. |
| 19:04:47 | bobrules | ok thanks |
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| 19:05:20 | DerPapst | Llorean: probably because of the iPods OF and iPodLinux that works like that |
| 19:05:33 | Llorean | Ah |
| 19:05:52 | Llorean | Yes, the fact that the "Menu" button on the iPod is actually a "Back" button seems really counterintuitive to me. |
| 19:06:14 | linuxstb | As well as left/right not navigating up and down the menu structure... |
| 19:06:15 | Llorean | And in fact, everyone I know personally with an iPod has told me that frustrated them the first few minutes they used their iPod. :) |
| 19:06:24 | DerPapst | i think it depends from what you grow up with. :P |
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| 19:07:13 | DerPapst | for me menu was always back and anything else feels... strange. ;) |
| 19:07:43 | DerPapst | but i'll get used to that too when time comes |
| 19:07:47 | Llorean | The c200 has unassigned buttons, *and* features (Quick Menu) that apparently haven't been assigned a button at all. |
| 19:07:48 | * | Llorean is baffled |
| 19:08:01 | linuxstb | Llorean: Do you have a c200 now? |
| 19:08:06 | Lear | DerPapst: I just feel down (as in cursor down on screen) should decrease the volume. I always need to think twice before changing volume, and that's no good... :) |
| 19:08:27 | DerPapst | Lear: heh |
| 19:08:42 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yes, arrived yesterday at the office, but nobody told me. I just discovered it by checking the shipping tracking and seeing "Delivered" |
| 19:09:28 | Llorean | Lear: Unfortunately "Down in the list" is also clockwise, while every volume nob everywhere, "Clockwise" is up. Maybe blame apple for deciding clockwise was down in a list. :) |
| 19:10:39 | DerPapst | Llorean: but assigning down as cancel in this kind of menus would be unwanted in the official rockbox builds i guess? |
| 19:10:47 | Llorean | linuxstb: Woot was selling them for $16, and at that price I could justify it as "a very small radio with a USB rechargeable battery" even. |
| 19:10:52 | linuxstb | Soap, scorche : Do you know if redbreva needs help fixing the redirects on rockbox-themes.org? I see the 404 is gone, but it's still redirecting to the home page... |
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| 19:11:12 | Llorean | DerPapst: I'm looking into it. If it's going to be assigned, it'd probably be "Cancel & Main Menu" since there's a push to make the menu button always take you to the main menu. |
| 19:11:44 | Llorean | DerPapst: I'm not entirely sure what context those screens though, and by "I'm looking into it" I really mean "I'll try to get around to it." :) |
| 19:12:28 | DerPapst | Llorean: then better keep it as it is and i'm trying to figure out where to change this myself then ;) |
| 19:12:50 | scorche|w | linuxstb: not sure...i have been mainly focused on the new site/server and letting them deal with the old one (while i still answer a few questions they have) |
| 19:13:10 | Llorean | DerPapst: My guess would be to edit apps/keymaps/keymap-e200.c, look for wherever BUTTON_POWER is used as ACTION_STD_CANCEL along with the ACTION_SETTINGS_ stuff, I think. |
| 19:13:32 | Llorean | Just duplicate the ACTION_STD_CANCEL a second time, with BUTTON_DOWN, and I'd *guess* that'll do it |
| 19:13:33 | DerPapst | Llorean: but while talking about button changes... have you seen the patch for 2 plugins i made about 3 days ago? |
| 19:13:43 | DerPapst | Llorean: thanks :) |
| 19:13:46 | Llorean | DerPapst: I've seen it, haven't _looked_ at it though. :) |
| 19:13:53 | DerPapst | ok |
| 19:14:03 | Llorean | The scrollwheel in plugins one, that is? |
| 19:14:39 | DerPapst | it's a small one. it doesn't cahnge the existing layout at all. just adds the scrollwheel. |
| 19:14:58 | Llorean | linuxstb: Unfortunately my c200 is slightly faulty. =/ The headphone jack is loose is all, probably quite fixable if I open 'er up |
| 19:15:19 | DerPapst | Llorean: yes. only in jewels and flipit. |
| 19:15:38 | DerPapst | Llorean: but i think about adding it to orthello too. |
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| 19:16:06 | Llorean | DerPapst: Remind me in a few days (I've a very busy weekend coming up) and I'll test and see about commit if nobody else gets to it first. |
| 19:16:24 | DerPapst | no problem |
| 19:16:54 | DerPapst | take your time. there not big and important patches anyways ;) |
| 19:17:00 | DerPapst | *they're |
| 19:17:14 | Llorean | Yeah, but it's not nice to leave things sitting in the tracker that can actually be cleaned up. :) |
| 19:18:22 | DerPapst | yep. i don't want to see them rotting there either ;) |
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| 19:19:23 | linuxstb | BTW, has anyone tried the "Case Game" plugin? It seems to be approaching the stage where it could be committed - i.e. supporting all possible targets. |
| 19:20:39 | Llorean | Case Game? |
| 19:20:46 | * | Llorean must've missed that one entirely |
| 19:20:51 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8183 |
| 19:23:40 | Llorean | I wish flyspray had some method for tracking multiple targets that a patch worked on. |
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| 19:33:00 | DerPapst | anybody knows how the backspace define is called in SDL? |
| 19:33:59 | DerPapst | nvm... SDLK_BACKSPACE :P |
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| 19:39:21 | paperclip | Llorean: you got the c200 with the loose jack from woot? I just got two units yesterday.. but odly I only ordered one.. |
| 19:39:43 | DerPapst | heh cool |
| 19:40:56 | paperclip | I bricked one pretty good last night.. it had a corrupt filesystem so i figured I'd just format it and copy the contents of the other one back onto it.. |
| 19:41:17 | paperclip | on second thought fdisk might have been a better idea.. |
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| 19:42:11 | paperclip | e200tool can put the boot rom on .. and then when it boots and linux attempts to mount it things get whacky |
| 19:48:17 | PaulJam | does the H10 use the same remote control like the H300/H100? |
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| 19:53:45 | barrywardell | PaulJam: no, they aren't compatible |
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| 19:54:45 | PaulJam | thank you. |
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| 19:55:11 | PaulJam | (even though this was not the answer i was hoping for) |
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| 19:56:02 | lostlogic | gcc is a retard sometimes. |
| 19:58:24 | Nico_P | lostlogic: I think I made the same mistake earlier |
| 19:59:17 | Nico_P | I do agree your original code feels more logical |
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| 20:08:19 | lostlogic | and it's not wrong, it's a GCC warning trying to detect something that _could_ cause incorrect code generation, but the situation isn't actually one that will cause incorrect code afaics |
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| 20:12:47 | e2b | hello |
| 20:13:56 | e2b | i have a problem with the rockbox utility software under ubuntu linux. the program says the web connecton is bad. but some files it can load |
| 20:14:41 | linuxstb | Are you trying to download themes? |
| 20:14:53 | scorche|w | if it is in regards to themes, then yes we know there is an issue |
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| 20:20:13 | e2b | yes |
| 20:20:44 | e2b | oh, the other things are ok |
| 20:21:06 | scorche|w | yes...it is just the themes |
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| 20:21:57 | jac0b-work | what is the gigabeat channel |
| 20:22:13 | Soap | #gigabeat |
| 20:22:38 | jac0b-work | thank you |
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| 20:23:55 | e2b | cu |
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| 20:30:30 | pixelma | Llorean: just read your comment about the buttons on c200 - I know however it's not easy to come up with a logical assignment (and without conflicts) :\ |
| 20:33:45 | pixelma | the volume is the same way as in the original firmware (if I remember correctly) and I never had a problem getting used to it |
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| 20:50:43 | pixelma | saratoga's "fix yellow" was only halfway successful - still a warning (a bit different) on 64-bit systems |
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| 20:57:51 | Llorean | pixelma: Yeah, I wouldn't change the volume. I just can't help but think of it as "Up/Down" with Up being left, for some reason |
| 20:58:55 | Llorean | Honestly, if the buttons weren't labeled at all, I think I could come up with a great keymap for the c200. In the interest of respecting the button labels though, it's quite a good deal harder. :) I think there may a be a few changes (context menu on long-select in the WPS, and adding the quickscreen back in, stuff like that) that can be done safely though. |
| 20:59:09 | linuxstb | pixelma: Fix committed for wma.c (I hope...) |
| 20:59:14 | pixelma | I would agree if it was a list, but for volume I had no problem with it |
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| 21:01:32 | Llorean | I'm just used to the gigabeat volume is all. As I said, it's merely a matter of preference. |
| 21:01:36 | pixelma | Llorean: the quickscreen is there (but only in the wps) - I don't really miss it. I would have no idea where to put it if I even can't come up with a proper "resume" button (which is my biggest gripe with it). In my personal build I made "volume up" resume and "volume down" stop in the list/menu but it feels kind of hackish |
| 21:01:54 | Llorean | pixelma: What button is it on in the WPS then? Is it long context menu? |
| 21:02:16 | Llorean | pixelma: I was *just* about to say that if it were my choice, I'd get rid of the volume buttons entirely outside the WPS, and use them for other things |
| 21:02:19 | evilr00t | (PP clock scaling question) what does DEV_TIMING1 do? does it adjust RAM timings? |
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| 21:02:43 | Llorean | Though personally, I'd make the volume buttons move in the list so that we can respect the labels on all the other buttons. |
| 21:02:47 | pixelma | I seldom use it, would have to look it up (and my c200 is charging at the moment, battery was completely flat) |
| 21:03:11 | Llorean | I'd really like to at least move context menu back to long-select, so that it's the same everywhere. |
| 21:03:42 | Llorean | But I do admit, the physical button layout is a bit problematic |
| 21:04:47 | pixelma | Llorean: I thought about volume up/down as up/down in the list too but somehow I think it wouldn't feel right because there is some kind of button "cross" and - the biggest problem I have with this idea is that you probably *need* to control it with both hands |
| 21:05:23 | pixelma | I do in most cases but not when wearing it around my neck |
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| 21:06:10 | Llorean | Yeah. |
| 21:06:36 | Llorean | It's really just kinda awkward. |
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| 21:11:03 | Tavnos | Hi |
| 21:11:08 | pixelma | Llorean: the virtual keyboard is kinda weird too, I already made 2 other versions but I'm not very pleased with either of them. Maybe I should still file a patch just to get the discussion going. The other possibility to make button assignments easier there would be to enabled line edit mode but I always thought it's a waste because actually you have a lot of buttons :\ |
| 21:12:39 | pixelma | quickscreen is "long down (submenu)" by the way |
| 21:13:21 | pixelma | in the WPS. I just looked it up in the code |
| 21:13:40 | Llorean | Alright |
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| 21:15:54 | pixelma | linuxstb: thanks, and sorry for the delay :) |
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| 21:16:19 | linuxstb | pixelma: No problem - well spotted! It's getting hard to see real warnings nowadays... |
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| 21:21:36 | DerPapst | linuxstb: the case game is good on e200. haven't tested on ipod yet. have to fix my firmware partition first. i srcewed it up with abusing ipodpatcher :P |
| 21:22:47 | linuxstb | DerPapst: So you think it's commit-worthy? (in principle) |
| 21:23:02 | DerPapst | yes |
| 21:23:10 | DerPapst | i like it :) |
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| 21:25:08 | pixelma | I'm off for another hour or so, ttyl |
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| 21:25:30 | DerPapst | a quick question about ipodpatcher... if you install a bootloader the first time it moves all kinds of images around (osos aupd rsrc). does it move the images depending on the size of the loader? |
| 21:26:07 | DerPapst | so if you install a bigger one you might corrupt e.g. the rsrc image on video iPods? |
| 21:26:43 | Llorean | Wouldn't it have to be awful big to use up the firmware partition? |
| 21:27:23 | DerPapst | you can use up the entire partition anyways.. that the loader shouldn't exceed iram size iirc |
| 21:27:37 | DerPapst | can't |
| 21:29:28 | DerPapst | but if the bootloader is (as example) 50kb in size and you install a new one with say 70kb... might it be possible that ipodpatcher overwrites an image because in the first time installation it made place for ~55kb loader? |
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| 21:30:34 | DerPapst | iirc i saw a comment in ipodpatchers source code that mentiones a not yet implemented function that checks how much space is available to install the loader on the fw partition |
| 21:31:02 | Llorean | linuxstb_: Any idea about DerPapst's question? |
| 21:37:48 | bobrules | when I'm playing a mpg why do I see a lot of moving black spots? |
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| 21:38:22 | linuxstb_ | DerPapst: Yes, it should deal with installing bootloaders of different sizes. |
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| 21:39:50 | DerPapst | so if the loader gets bigger ipodpatcher should ajust the location of the images in order to not corrupt them? |
| 21:40:13 | Lear | He, that was a new one.. Ubuntu insisted on the installation CD in order to install libsdl-dev... |
| 21:40:15 | DerPapst | e.g. installing rockbox loader and then loader 2 should work? |
| 21:40:40 | DerPapst | Lear: uh.... |
| 21:41:35 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Yes. |
| 21:41:49 | linuxstb | (IIRC...) |
| 21:42:08 | DerPapst | mhh.. the i wonder why my rsrc image is broken... |
| 21:42:13 | DerPapst | *then |
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| 21:42:21 | linuxstb | DerPapst: The Rockbox bootloader can change in size with different releases (normally increasing in size slightly), so I would have hoped that would work... |
| 21:43:39 | DerPapst | we are going to add some usabillity features to Loader 2 (to mae everything easier) but it hadn't such a big impact on size either |
| 21:45:03 | DerPapst | i updated rockbox in the same process and my backlight was foobar. but before i came here to complain i wanted to make sure it's not a loader 2 problem. so i installed the rb bootloader and the problem stayed. |
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| 21:45:42 | linuxstb | Rockbox's backlight handling has changed recently on the 5g/Nano - it now uses the hardware backlight brightness setting. |
| 21:45:46 | DerPapst | so reinstalled the loader 2 test version and switched my ipod off. and next day the OF refused to read the itunesDB which indocates a corrupt rsrc image.. |
| 21:46:15 | DerPapst | linuxstb: yep i know. my build was before amiconn's changes |
| 21:47:32 | linuxstb | If you can find a reliable way to recreate it, let me know and I'll investigate. I've just looked at the source, and ipodpatcher _should_ be taking care of that situation, but obviously there could be bugs. |
| 21:47:36 | * | DerPapst + speing == bad |
| 21:47:43 | DerPapst | *spelling |
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| 21:47:59 | DerPapst | linuxstb: ok thanks. |
| 21:48:07 | DerPapst | i'll test that. |
| 21:48:43 | linuxstb | Have you looked at your firmware partition to see if it's definitely corrupt? Using ipod_fw/make_fw to extract the rsrc image could help. |
| 21:49:28 | DerPapst | nope. haven't done that yet. but isn't there a problem with ipod_fw and 5.5G iPods anyways? |
| 21:50:10 | linuxstb | Ah yes... |
| 21:50:36 | DerPapst | heh... :) but maybe image extraction works ;) |
| 21:51:22 | linuxstb | Is make_fw still being maintained. I've been thinking of removing ipod_fw from the Rockbox SVN, as I can't think of a use for it with Rockbox any more... |
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| 21:52:00 | DerPapst | actually the iPL-Project switched over to ipodpatcher too. |
| 21:52:07 | DerPapst | i guess you can remove it. |
| 21:52:29 | DerPapst | we will have a copy of it in our svn anyways. |
| 21:52:48 | DerPapst | since ipodpatcher cannot install ipodloader1 |
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| 22:23:02 | toffe82 | try a search of rockbox here http://www.irseek.com/ , no problem with rockbox but no more privacy for other chanel |
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| 22:25:10 | toffe82 | you can search by nick name too |
| 22:26:19 | amiconn | lostlogic: You coul dhave solved the warning in a less cumbersome way afaics |
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| 22:27:45 | Redbreva | I think rbutil should be able to download themes again now... |
| 22:28:11 | Redbreva | tested with .3.2.6 |
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| 22:38:21 | amiconn | Hmm, that idea didn't work... |
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| 23:29:59 | lostlogic | amiconn: I trued a few other ways to no avail, I"m definitely open to better solutions. |
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| 23:32:19 | amiconn | I thought it would be possible to cast first and then take the address. But trying that -> error: invalid lvalue in unary `&' |
| 23:35:43 | amiconn | preglow: As you asked yesterday or so - speex is realtime in all modes on PP5002 |
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| 23:35:59 | amiconn | Current 1st/2nd Gen build is working, so I was able to test :/ |
| 23:36:16 | amiconn | speex uwb -q8 vbr is 208% realtime |
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| 23:38:20 | TopD | is it possible to change keys in sana e 200 device? |
| 23:38:40 | jhMikeS | Llorean: not an easy way to fix them but they are fixed in what I'm working on (but getting delayed on). It's due to a complete lack of error tolerance on the parser's part. |
| 23:39:08 | TopD | ? |
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| 23:40:00 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I was just curious if they were fixable without all the other work or not, since apparently I'm running into them a lot now. =/ |
| 23:40:39 | evilr00t | (PP clock scaling question) what does DEV_TIMING1 do? does it adjust RAM timings? |
| 23:41:03 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I have test videos about half which don't even play without updating the parser. |
| 23:41:04 | evilr00t | (asked again now that people who might know are around) |
| 23:42:29 | jhMikeS | DEV_TIMING1 isn't actually DEV_TIMING1, it's STRAP_OPT_A (there's an error in the header (my fault)) |
| 23:42:31 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Did you find anything new regarding the PP5002 instability |
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| 23:42:55 | lostlogic | amiconn: yeah, that's one of the things I'd tried. *mutters about compilers* |
| 23:42:56 | jhMikeS | amiconn: was going to get to comparing the two trivially different builds soon |
| 23:43:03 | amiconn | I looks completely like something alignment dependent |
| 23:43:40 | jhMikeS | It's still cache dependent. I never have any crash with cache off no matter what changes I make. |
| 23:43:48 | amiconn | The last 2 builds I tried (some revision 2 days ago and yesterday) crashed on both cores. A fresh build is stable... |
| 23:43:52 | pixelma | Llorean: what would be really really nice - if you could write the description of the c200 for the blind in the manual. I couldn't find a nice way to describe it... :) |
| 23:44:32 | jhMikeS | amiconn: one key thing is that delaying enabling the cache simple delays the crash :\ |
| 23:44:40 | jhMikeS | *simply |
| 23:44:59 | amiconn | So loading the binary can't be the problem |
| 23:45:15 | amiconn | Maybe cache lines are longer on PP5002? |
| 23:45:34 | jhMikeS | I can delay it all the way to after the menu inits |
| 23:45:43 | amiconn | But why do single core builds also crash? |
| 23:45:46 | jhMikeS | They don't seem to be |
| 23:46:27 | jhMikeS | Can't answer that since letting the COP never wake up out of crt0-pp.S still acts identically. |
| 23:47:40 | jhMikeS | That means it never even gets to cop_main, that's 100% single core...all the same result. |
| 23:47:57 | amiconn | We don't do dma, do we? |
| 23:48:16 | jhMikeS | none that I'm aware of. |
| 23:48:17 | Llorean | pixelma: Remind me after the weekend and I'll do my best. :) |
| 23:48:26 | amiconn | My, aac is quite inefficient on PP5002 :| |
| 23:48:37 | pixelma | Llorean: I'll try to :) |
| 23:48:44 | amiconn | 128kbps aac is just 125% realtime |
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| 23:49:29 | jhMikeS | ACC is quite efficient on PP502x OTOH |
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| 23:50:01 | jhMikeS | nix that...just got in...confusing with WMA :p |
| 23:50:44 | amiconn | My only wma file is 151% realtime on PP5002 |
| 23:56:12 | amiconn | Same files on PP5022: aac 184%, wma 217% |
| 23:58:56 | Llorean | The aac codec is also just huge. |
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