| 00:04:29 | bobrules | will rockbox support lyrics in the future? |
| 00:05:01 | bobrules | or something that will auto open a txt file with the lyric in it |
| 00:05:07 | DerPapst | probably... |
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| 00:07:47 | Llorean | I wonder if the current patch has been adapted to MoB |
| 00:08:17 | DerPapst | ah.. there is already a lyricspatch? |
| 00:08:36 | Llorean | There's an snc viewer |
| 00:08:45 | Llorean | Which I believe is a sort of lyrics thingy |
| 00:09:04 | DerPapst | heh.. no idea what snc is ;) |
| 00:09:34 | Llorean | I believe they're synchronized lyrics files |
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| 00:09:39 | * | jhMikeS wants a lyics patch with the bouncing ball that follows the words (since it's only proper :) |
| 00:09:43 | roolku | it also plays lrc, lrc8 and embedded (in mp3) lyrics |
| 00:09:56 | DerPapst | wow |
| 00:10:05 | Llorean | roolku: Why's it restricted to MP3? |
| 00:10:06 | DerPapst | sounds nice ;) |
| 00:10:13 | Llorean | roolku: And has it been updated to use MoB? |
| 00:10:14 | roolku | it is nice :) |
| 00:10:21 | bobrules | do I have to patch my rockbox manually? |
| 00:10:55 | pixelma | IIRC there are even 2 lyrics patches |
| 00:10:56 | DerPapst | bobrules: you have to get the rockbox source, patch it and compile it yourself |
| 00:11:37 | bobrules | no thanks |
| 00:11:44 | pixelma | the other one is older and probably not mainted but if I'm not confusing something it supports embedded lyrics |
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| 00:12:19 | bobrules | my windows player reads a .lrc file |
| 00:12:26 | bobrules | I have one for all of my songs |
| 00:13:23 | roolku | bobrules: well, then you definitely need sncviewer :) |
| 00:14:00 | DerPapst | is it a plugin or actually displayed in the wps? |
| 00:14:29 | roolku | it probably needs some adjustments to work properly after mob |
| 00:14:36 | roolku | DerPapst: plugin |
| 00:14:44 | DerPapst | aha |
| 00:14:58 | bobrules | so I don't have to compile myself? |
| 00:15:14 | roolku | bobrules: unless you find someone to do it for you |
| 00:15:49 | DerPapst | but before someone has to sync the patch or am i wrong? |
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| 00:16:19 | roolku | blimey, it has already been updated...I wonder if I should commit it (FS #7432) |
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| 00:16:50 | * | DerPapst looks |
| 00:17:05 | Llorean | roolku: It's restricted to MP3 metadata for embedded tags? |
| 00:17:37 | Llorean | and does it use metadata on buffer? |
| 00:17:42 | Riles | anyone know why an iriver iHP-140 would load the rockbox boot loader and then just sit there? its got the .rockbox dir... perfect directory structure... any ideas? |
| 00:17:55 | Riles | I did however buy this iriver in korea. |
| 00:17:57 | Riles | FYI |
| 00:18:49 | D|STORT|ON | i got ipod classic fimware on my 5.5g :p |
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| 00:19:03 | D|STORT|ON | orange text / icons in the main menue |
| 00:19:13 | Llorean | Riles: Is it definitely FAT32 formatted? |
| 00:19:24 | Llorean | D|STORT|ON: That has nothing to do with Rockbox, at all. |
| 00:19:25 | Riles | yes thing works just fine in regular mode |
| 00:19:51 | D|STORT|ON | why dose rockbox eat my battery like as if i was watching a movie ? |
| 00:20:14 | Llorean | D|STORT|ON: The hardware is undocumented, which means we aren't using things as efficiently as would be ideal. |
| 00:20:27 | Llorean | Riles: And what's the last line on the bootloader screen? |
| 00:20:48 | roolku | Llorean: yes, and there is a lot of scope of using MOB for storage of lyrics - currently it accesses the disk for every track |
| 00:20:48 | Riles | i think its the voltage |
| 00:20:51 | D|STORT|ON | eh |
| 00:20:55 | Riles | reading |
| 00:21:05 | roolku | Llorean: but then I am not sure if we want all this functionality in the core |
| 00:21:22 | Llorean | roolku: Well, better to discuss it with some people before committing, either way |
| 00:21:36 | Llorean | roolku: Embedded lyrics can surely at least be stored on buffer when normal metadata is parsed, at the very least. |
| 00:22:19 | Llorean | Riles: No, I mean "Turn it on, and tell me exactly what the last line says" |
| 00:22:31 | roolku | roolku: yeah, but this would mean all the parsing code would have to go to the core |
| 00:22:36 | bobrules | can rockbox open .lrc files as txt right now? |
| 00:22:45 | * | roolku talks to himself |
| 00:22:48 | Riles | k 1 sec |
| 00:23:04 | linuxstb | roolku: Not necessarily the parsing code, just enough code to load them into the buffer. I've no idea what the format is though. |
| 00:23:07 | roolku | Llorean: also it would castrate the editing functionality |
| 00:23:09 | Riles | Rockbox boot loader |
| 00:23:11 | Riles | version 6 |
| 00:23:24 | Riles | batt: 4.03V |
| 00:23:31 | Riles | thats it |
| 00:23:42 | Llorean | roolku: At the same time, it'd open the way to having Lyrics in the WPS, which might be preferred. |
| 00:23:44 | roolku | linuxstb: it supports a various formats in various encodings |
| 00:24:03 | Llorean | roolku: I'm just saying, get some feedback all around. Maybe post to the -dev mailing list about it. |
| 00:24:12 | Llorean | "Is this how we want lyrics done in Rockbox?" etc. |
| 00:24:22 | Llorean | Riles: And yet you say dual boot works fine? |
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| 00:24:36 | Riles | yup |
| 00:25:02 | Llorean | Riles: And you've tried actually playing music in the original firmware after dual booting? |
| 00:25:09 | Riles | yup |
| 00:25:12 | Riles | works fine |
| 00:25:33 | Llorean | And what format and type exactly is the partition? |
| 00:25:49 | Riles | fat32 I would assume.. i would have to check |
| 00:25:53 | Riles | 1 sec |
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| 00:26:39 | roolku | considering that we definitely don't want editing of lyrics in the core, the plugin would still be justified as an editor |
| 00:26:56 | Llorean | roolku: Can't the files simply be opened in the text editor for that/ |
| 00:26:57 | Llorean | ? |
| 00:26:59 | Riles | Llorean: its fat32 |
| 00:27:02 | Riles | for sure |
| 00:27:03 | Llorean | Riles: And type? |
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| 00:27:20 | roolku | it wouldn't impact whether there were provisions for (limited) lyrics display in the core |
| 00:28:01 | roolku | Llorean: no, I am talking about synchronising the lyrics to the music |
| 00:28:04 | Riles | Llorean can you be more specific? Oh its a logical disk it says. |
| 00:28:11 | DerPapst | roolku: and how would you save the modified lyrics back to the metadata if that isn't in the core? can the plugin handle that? |
| 00:28:29 | Llorean | Riles: 0x0b or 0x0c. If you're on linux, fdisk -l should show them, I think. |
| 00:28:35 | Riles | k |
| 00:28:37 | Riles | 1 sec |
| 00:28:48 | DerPapst | iirc ipodpatcher can that too |
| 00:28:54 | roolku | DerPapst: that exactly is the problem - it only works if the lyrics are stored on disk and read from disk |
| 00:29:16 | jhMikeS | amiconn: now I'm getting really interesting stuff. r15637 (which ran) and r15637 (which crashed) now both show the battery low problem (those are before the LCD update). This happens using the latest SVN bootloader. Now if I run them using the bootloader from that time, they're both starting. :\ |
| 00:29:32 | roolku | one could in theory extend the plugin api to allow this kind of manipulation, but it certainly isn't kiss |
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| 00:29:38 | DerPapst | ./ipodpatcher −−list if i'm not wrong |
| 00:30:36 | Llorean | roolku: Does it have button mappings for all targets, at least? |
| 00:30:41 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yeah, they don't have that extra delay, and the current bootloader is faster due to the lcd speedups |
| 00:30:51 | jhMikeS | change that to r15638 (which crashed) |
| 00:30:58 | DerPapst | roolku: hmm... then the user has to deal with it ;) |
| 00:30:59 | linuxstb | roolku: Llorean just beat me to it, but what targets does it run on? Does it work on hwcodec? |
| 00:31:31 | Llorean | I really don't like the idea of it being restricted to MP3 for embedded lyrics though |
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| 00:31:42 | Llorean | If it's going to go in, it either shouldn't support them, or it should support all of the metadata we do. |
| 00:31:48 | Llorean | D|STORT|ON: Do NOT do that. |
| 00:32:03 | jhMikeS | but now they're both running? I have a carefully compiled list of which builds started and which didn't and notes about what happened. Repeated checks were made. |
| 00:32:06 | roolku | linuxstb: I don't think it works on HWCODEC, but afaict on most SWCODECs |
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| 00:32:15 | D|STORT|ON | lol ok |
| 00:32:44 | * | jhMikeS also keeps forgetting the older build didn't set that register |
| 00:32:47 | D|STORT|ON | so is there away to improve the battery life with rockbox ? |
| 00:32:56 | D|STORT|ON | cuzz i like idoom |
| 00:33:15 | bobrules | use lowest brightness |
| 00:33:26 | Llorean | D|STORT|ON: Rockbox doesn't have iDoom. |
| 00:33:36 | D|STORT|ON | the rockbox i installed did |
| 00:33:38 | Llorean | iDoom is a part of iPodLinux. Rockbox has a Doom plugin, but they're two different things. |
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| 00:33:42 | D|STORT|ON | some rock box loader .exe |
| 00:33:56 | D|STORT|ON | i used |
| 00:33:57 | * | jhMikeS tries r15635 which gave an undefined instruction |
| 00:34:07 | DerPapst | yes. get an arm decompiler and dive though some disassembled formwares for portalplayer tragets and try to figure out how to switch of not needed hardware and how to init it again. |
| 00:35:54 | bobrules | anyone notice that crossfade is buggy? |
| 00:36:02 | jhMikeS | no ;) |
| 00:36:23 | bobrules | it doesn't always work smoothly for me |
| 00:37:38 | jhMikeS | ok, r15635 indeed still crashes |
| 00:39:02 | bobrules | can anyone explain how the VU demo works? |
| 00:39:11 | bobrules | VU meter |
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| 00:40:35 | bobrules | nvm |
| 00:40:38 | bobrules | it's in the manual |
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| 00:42:18 | roolku | I am tempted to market sncviewer as a lyrics editor that can import various lyrics files and always writes standard lrc8 files (lrc in utf-8) |
| 00:42:56 | bobrules | lyric is always useful, I sing a lot |
| 00:43:01 | DerPapst | without putting anything n the core? |
| 00:43:14 | roolku | in the future there could be limited lyrics functionality in the core that reads these lrc8 files (only?) and displays them in the WPS |
| 00:43:46 | DerPapst | without loading them from the metadata? |
| 00:43:52 | DerPapst | :P |
| 00:44:31 | roolku | there are still a few undecided problems - the text needs to be wrapped to screen width and the line length can be potentially quite long |
| 00:44:59 | roolku | DerPapst: depends what you mean by metadata - it would work like album art currently |
| 00:45:06 | pixelma | someone also had a look at the other lyrics patch? |
| 00:45:47 | DerPapst | roolku; i mean the lyrics embedden in the song file (e.g. mp3) |
| 00:45:57 | roolku | pixelma: the only other one I know just reads the unsynchronised lyrics from mp3 and displays them as text |
| 00:46:29 | pixelma | yes, that's the one I mean |
| 00:46:36 | roolku | DerPapst: hence the (only?) - I am quite happy with lrc(8) files |
| 00:47:22 | roolku | pixelma: that is a niche marked that sncviewer doesn't cater for (yet) ;) |
| 00:47:56 | DerPapst | roolku: i would probably happy with that either... since i don't have much lyroics anyways ;) |
| 00:48:40 | DerPapst | add 'be' where it fits |
| 00:49:20 | * | DerPapst 's grammer and spelling mistake ratio increases dramatically past midnight :P |
| 00:49:22 | roolku | have a quick look at the documentation: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7432?getfile=14790 no way this would get into the core |
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| 00:53:56 | linuxstb | roolku: My first reaction is that the plugin is very bloated - which makes it hard to maintain. Does it _really_ need all those features, including cuesheet editing? |
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| 00:55:19 | roolku | linuxstb: well cue sheets are only a special case of lyrics for the plugin and I think it is quite handy if you have a cue sheet that doesn;t quite match your audio file |
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| 00:55:51 | linuxstb | I would love a cuesheet editor, it just doesn't feel right in a lyrics viewer... |
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| 00:56:23 | linuxstb | It more like the spliteditor plugin in my mind. |
| 00:56:25 | jhMikeS | amiconn: perhaps of interest -> http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/diff.txt |
| 00:56:28 | linuxstb | ^It's |
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| 00:57:27 | roolku | roolku: well, it is really exactly the same functionality as editing lyrics - edit text and set time points |
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| 01:00:35 | roolku | linuxstb: it has evolved quite a bit (I am using a heavily modified version of an older revision) and some of the functionality that replicates the WPS might be over the top |
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| 01:00:41 | linuxstb | roolku: OK, I'm convinced cue editing and lyric editing are very similar. |
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| 01:01:47 | roolku | but it is easy to get used to it - when I am using the gigabeat in the cradle, I almost always run the plugin instead of the wps |
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| 01:05:55 | pixelma | roolku: the patch I find more interesting (since 95% of the lyrics I have are stored in plain txt anyways) and which ypi seem to maintain recently is the mod plugin. IIRC amiconn was also interested in committing it but found out that there could be licence problems (don't remember the details). Do you know anything about it? |
| 01:06:09 | pixelma | s/ypi/you |
| 01:07:23 | roolku | pixelma: iirc it is based on mikimod - I'll have a quick look |
| 01:08:37 | roolku | pixelma: but I though the consensus was that a module player that could play all the other formats it and xm and whatnot was preferable |
| 01:09:07 | amiconn | It's not mikmod based afaik |
| 01:09:48 | roolku | pixelma: regarding your plaintext lyrics files - with sncviewer you could change that quickly ;) |
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| 01:10:58 | pixelma | roolku: I didn't know there was a consensus - just remember that amiconn said this is simple enough code that there is a /possibility/ to make it work on hwcodec |
| 01:11:03 | roolku | amiconn: yep. it says "an old open source module player for gravis ultrasound" |
| 01:11:05 | amiconn | "It is based on an old open source module player for gravis ultrasound (unfortunately I forgot the name, if anyone finds out please inform me)." |
| 01:11:27 | * | amiconn actually prefers lyrics in plaintext |
| 01:11:28 | pixelma | did I mention gravis ultrasound? :P |
| 01:12:02 | DerPapst | yep... gravis ultrasound |
| 01:12:22 | DerPapst | and it only plays mod files up to ~480kb? |
| 01:12:31 | amiconn | An old open source mod player with no name is not specific enough to find out which license it is under, and hence whether it's gpl compatible |
| 01:12:53 | roolku | DerPapst: this could be changed now that we have MOB |
| 01:13:01 | amiconn | DerPapst: That's due to _where_ it loads the mods, and should be solvable |
| 01:13:05 | bobrules | what is MOB? |
| 01:13:43 | linuxstb_ | bobrules: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MetadataOnBuffer |
| 01:13:47 | roolku | amiconn: I shall google a little... |
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| 01:14:37 | DerPapst | though no s3m, xm, it and stuff... |
| 01:14:48 | amiconn | roolku: The name "Tammo 'kb' Hinrichs" popped up the last time this patch was discussed, and I googled a bit |
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| 01:16:17 | DerPapst | google code knows more :-) http://tinyurl.com/2pno38 |
| 01:16:55 | DerPapst | it's GPL |
| 01:17:30 | roolku | cool :) |
| 01:18:19 | DerPapst | igore me... the dude who modified it doesn't seem to know the licence either but re-released it under gpl :-/ |
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| 01:19:09 | DerPapst | http://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=de&q=show:PXra8n68LLg:e0Ejuy_Lx9I:U9hA0u_Hk7c&sa=N&ct=rd&cs_p=http://membres.lycos.fr/matkeupon/src/smash/SmashGp2xsrc.zip&cs_f=SmashGp2xsrc/c/Source/modplayer.c&start=1 |
| 01:19:31 | DerPapst | if you read the comment.. |
| 01:19:43 | DerPapst | some old demo code he found |
| 01:19:58 | roolku | :( |
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| 01:26:40 | roolku | DerPapst: I don't think it is the same code or it has been at least *heavily* modified |
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| 02:05:11 | psycho_maniac | For those of you intrested. I added my ExampleWPS to the ipod5g and gigabeatF wps wiki page just now. |
| 02:06:32 | linuxstb | psycho_maniac: Wouldn't it be better on either the CustomWps or SimpleGuideToWpsMaking pages, as it's aimed at WPS authors, rather than users? |
| 02:07:02 | psycho_maniac | yeah. I really didnt know where to put it first off hand. |
| 02:10:23 | linuxstb | preglow: Are you around? |
| 02:10:28 | psycho_maniac | in the CustomWPs page would it be a good idea to place it under the "Example File" header? |
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| 02:12:05 | PaulJam | psycho_maniac: if you are going to edit CustomWPS, i noticed a littel error. in the example line for the %?fc (codec) tac there is the conditional for SPC missing. it would be nice if you could add taht. |
| 02:12:15 | linuxstb | psycho_maniac: Yes, I think so. |
| 02:15:11 | psycho_maniac | ok PaulJam i see what your saying. ill fix that. |
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| 02:15:50 | psycho_maniac | should i have a picture also under "example files"? or would make make it seem cluttered? |
| 02:16:38 | linuxstb | I've just fixed the %fc description (and reverted the WMA->SoundCodecWMA change) |
| 02:17:30 | psycho_maniac | Yeah I just noticed then when i clicked edit. |
| 02:17:59 | PaulJam | thank you. |
| 02:18:10 | psycho_maniac | should i post a link and picture or just the link to my example wps? |
| 02:18:33 | linuxstb | IMO the picture would be useful. |
| 02:23:08 | Soap | can you make every line a conditional to the hold button status so you can display twice the info? |
| 02:23:09 | Soap | OR |
| 02:23:54 | Soap | Can you have the WPS show data when hold is off, and tags when hold is on? As in "Here's the WPS" (switch hold) "Here's how it works!" ;) |
| 02:24:25 | Soap | Just firing off ideas, not trying to detract from the work you've already done. |
| 02:25:12 | psycho_maniac | oh thats a good idea |
| 02:26:26 | psycho_maniac | well at least this is a start. |
| 02:26:42 | Soap | Makes me think there should be a conditional on backlight status. You could have a tease of a WPS where there is a pretty girl in a bathing suit as a background, and when the backlight goes out, her clothes disappear. |
| 02:28:59 | PaulJam | Soap: you can't have the backdrop in a conditional. |
| 02:29:54 | Soap | then make the bikini an overlay image |
| 02:32:21 | DerPapst | haha |
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| 02:35:12 | ddalton | does anyone know why id3->elapsed is not declared for the quick screen in screens.c? but furtherdow the file for the id3 list "track info" it is. why is this? |
| 02:35:17 | ddalton | its all in the same file |
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| 02:38:46 | linuxstb | ddalton: I'm not sure what you mean - id3->elapsed isn't used anywhere in screens.c |
| 02:39:51 | psycho_maniac | added both example wps's to the CustomWPS page :) |
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| 02:43:02 | Klevi | .. i had a question... but dropped it entirely... >.< |
| 02:44:09 | Klevi | VLC can encode.. can it encode a ripped dvd movie to Mpeg2? |
| 02:44:23 | Klevi | *assuming Winff wont handle it* |
| 02:47:15 | Klevi | oh... well the wiki pointed at something that may work (Vlc auto transcoding) I'll try it. |
| 02:47:54 | Soap | ffmpeg is so much more flexible than VLC. If you can get Winff working, I strongly suggest it. |
| 02:48:29 | Llorean | WinFF accepts decrypted VOBs as input. |
| 02:48:50 | Llorean | I recommend using a tool to merge them and strip out all non-movie data such as trailers, special features, etc, though |
| 02:50:37 | psycho_maniac | on some dvds those non movie stuff are seperate vob files |
| 02:50:50 | ddalton | what about in the track info menu. ok id3->length then |
| 02:50:58 | ddalton | that fails with the quick screen part... |
| 02:52:03 | psycho_maniac | do vob files include sound? |
| 02:52:09 | linuxstb | ddalton: I'm not sure how the track info menu relates to the quick screen - what are you trying to do? |
| 02:53:16 | linuxstb | psycho_maniac: Yes. VOB files are basically the same format as mpegplayer files - multiplexed audio and video streams in an MPEG Program Stream, but with extra DVD-specific packets as well. |
| 02:54:33 | Klevi | hm sadly in this i cant find just the whole movie... just split sections of it. |
| 02:57:22 | linuxstb | Klevi: This isn't really on-topic for this channel. You could try visiting the specialist video-encoding websites/forums, such as doom9.org and reading their guides to DVD ripping/converting. Or try searching for help with winff - it's not a Rockbox specific tool. |
| 02:57:35 | Klevi | Mmkay, thanks |
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| 03:07:32 | ddalton | linuxstb: ok sdoyon and I have this patch which changes the quick screen to a voice one. That has stuff like speaking battery level as an option time clips on/off tracklock etc. I want to simply voice the elapsed variable if playback is playing when left is pressed in the quick screen. I think I have it worked out ok. But my only error is that id3->elapsed isn't declared. |
| 03:08:02 | ddalton | if I go down the file and type talk_value(id3->elapsed, UNINT_TIME_EXACT, true); in the id3 viewer stuff it works. |
| 03:08:08 | ddalton | Ill double check that actually |
| 03:09:07 | psycho_maniac | anybody see the new rockbox towers wiki page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TowerOfRockbox |
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| 03:14:22 | linuxstb | ddalton: There is no reason why it shouldn't work. You just need to add the line " struct mp3entry* id3 = audio_current_track();" at the start of the function, and you can then access the id3 struct for the current track. |
| 03:15:00 | linuxstb | I would expect that function to return NULL if playback isn't playing. |
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| 03:19:19 | ddalton | talk_value(id3->elapsed, UNIT_TIME_EXACT, true); |
| 03:19:33 | ddalton | oops |
| 03:19:56 | ddalton | well the patch has the quick screen in a function and I am putting the line talk_value(id3->elapsed, UNIT_TIME_EXACT, true); |
| 03:20:35 | ddalton | in that function. So how come 100 lines down id3->elapsed works fine but it doesn't in a function 100 lines up? |
| 03:21:14 | linuxstb | Is "id3" declared in your function? |
| 03:21:25 | ddalton | no |
| 03:21:52 | ddalton | isn't id3 a struct and it works in lots of places in rockbox id3->elapsed |
| 03:22:21 | linuxstb | No, it's not a global variable. |
| 03:22:47 | linuxstb | You need to do what I said a few lines ago - call the audio_current_track(). |
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| 03:23:35 | ddalton | oh so how do I get the elapsed playing time from say the menus? |
| 03:24:23 | ddalton | in |
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| 03:24:46 | linuxstb | You need to do what I said a few lines ago - call the audio_current_track() function... |
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| 03:27:43 | ddalton | ok so why can playback.c use id3->elapsed and why could I use it in case 10 for the id3 viewer? |
| 03:27:59 | ddalton | if its not global? |
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| 03:31:38 | Klevi | Radio problem, recently noted that either my Sansa's Antennae is broken... or that the Radio isnt being tuned properly. |
| 03:31:47 | Klevi | I cant pickup and stations at all |
| 03:32:18 | Klevi | er, any rather. |
| 03:33:15 | linuxstb | ddalton: Because the functions in playback.c declare it (and get its value from somewhere) before using it. Which is what I'm trying to explain that you need to do... |
| 03:33:58 | pixelma | Klevi: as I said, the radio support is a bit unstable on c200 still |
| 03:34:12 | Klevi | . how do I get to "scan" mode |
| 03:35:11 | pixelma | what I do - either reboot or if that doesn't help, booting the sandisk OF and starting the radio once there does |
| 03:35:15 | Klevi | I can only flip between presets ive made. |
| 03:35:40 | Klevi | Pixelma.. actually i just tried that... and now the radio works at least. |
| 03:35:58 | pixelma | "Rec" changes between preset and scan mode |
| 03:36:04 | Klevi | ah |
| 03:36:05 | Klevi | ok |
| 03:36:19 | Klevi | danke = |
| 03:36:23 | Klevi | *=) |
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| 03:36:51 | pixelma | maybe that can be improved later, don't know it's not easy to find proper keybindings |
| 03:36:54 | pixelma | :) |
| 03:37:44 | Llorean | pixelma: "Rec" is a very bad button for this, I think |
| 03:37:45 | Klevi | how about RDS support |
| 03:37:53 | Klevi | ;) |
| 03:38:26 | Klevi | Shouldnt record, thinking logically, be used to capture from the radio? lol |
| 03:38:42 | pixelma | Llorean: yes maybe, but currently you can't record from the radio screen anyways (on swcodec) |
| 03:38:47 | Klevi | Im kidding with the sarcasm. |
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| 03:39:21 | Llorean | pixelma: Yes, but the Record button could shortcut to the recording screen. Either way, it should be kept free for future use (if possible) |
| 03:39:42 | pixelma | Llorean: and that mapping wasn't thought through much just getting it to work, I admit |
| 03:40:09 | Llorean | Well the e200 had "Rec" to switch modes too, for a while at least. |
| 03:40:34 | Klevi | It works as it is.. heh. |
| 03:43:40 | pixelma | Llorean: if it is possible on the Ondio to have a button for recording in the radio one should think that it is possible on the c200 too - though you switch preset/scan mode through the menu there but 3 more buttons on the c200... |
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| 04:20:37 | blkthndr | I have a problem with my H10, I booted into the original firmware and my music folder became hidden. I'm not running windows so I cannot unhide the folder. I know I can view it using the view all files option, but there are other folders I would like to remain hidden, is there any way I can fix this without creating a new folder? |
| 04:24:29 | blkthndr | I'm using ubuntu as my os, but also have access to a mac, if either of these can change the hidden status of the folder |
| 04:24:52 | krazykit | blkthndr, they should be able to. consult their documentation on how to unset the "hidden" attribute. |
| 04:25:48 | blkthndr | the problem is they do not register as hidden to either of them, only to windows and rockbox |
| 04:28:17 | krazykit | blkthndr, install mtools, and check out the man page for mattrib. you should be able to fix it that way. |
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| 04:30:19 | blkthndr | thanks krazykit will try this |
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| 04:46:26 | DrCrow | I was trying to view some of the original firmware files, and i need a blowfish-cbc decrypting tool. |
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| 05:14:08 | scorche | DrCrow: what does that have to do with rockbox? |
| 05:15:48 | DrCrow | The original firmware on the the zvm uses blowfish encryption, i wanted to look at the file. |
| 05:16:45 | DrCrow | I'm trying to use the command line tool |
| 05:17:00 | DrCrow | enc -d -a -bf -in c:\ltcdata.enc -out C:\ltc.dec |
| 05:17:47 | DrCrow | It doesn't work, though, maybe i've got the wrong input data. |
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| 08:33:29 | ddalton | anyone see anything wrong with my patch? |
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| 08:34:35 | ddalton | hey can someone commit a very simple patch? |
| 08:34:57 | ddalton | if everyone is happy with it of course |
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| 08:39:16 | ddalton | how do I install sdl properly? |
| 08:39:31 | ddalton | when I try to build my simulator build it says that... |
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| 09:19:45 | Libor | hi |
| 09:23:26 | Libor | i want download svn, used command ../cygwin/bin/svn.exe co svn://svn.rockbox.org/trunk (command svn no work for me) a it say svn: no repository found in 'svn://svn.rockbox.org/trunk' |
| 09:23:59 | ddalton | Libor: is svn installed? |
| 09:24:09 | ddalton | type svn to check |
| 09:24:25 | Libor | command not found |
| 09:24:34 | psycho_maniac | you have to do the whole command "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox" |
| 09:24:39 | ddalton | you don't have svn installed. |
| 09:24:44 | Libor | but in directory bin i have svn.exe |
| 09:24:56 | ddalton | you typed exactly what I said the same case and all? "svn" with out the quotes? |
| 09:24:56 | psycho_maniac | are you uisng vmware or cywgin? |
| 09:25:09 | Libor | cygwin |
| 09:25:23 | Libor | ddalton yes |
| 09:25:31 | ddalton | oh not linux... um ok so you can't just grab it from the repo |
| 09:26:09 | ddalton | Libor: when you ran the cygwin package installer could you choose what to install somewhere? |
| 09:26:36 | ddalton | like different unix software. eg. emacs, nano etc |
| 09:26:49 | Libor | yes |
| 09:27:37 | ddalton | Libor: ok enter that screen. (Not the rockbox packages but the normal ones that you can get from cygwin) |
| 09:27:53 | ddalton | sorry im not on windows so can't help you with that. |
| 09:27:57 | ddalton | hang on one sec |
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| 09:28:34 | ddalton | did I miss something? |
| 09:29:16 | Libor | i donΒ΄t know what exactly you want |
| 09:29:28 | psycho_maniac | ddalton: after you said "hang on one sec" ? |
| 09:29:29 | ddalton | im trying to help you... |
| 09:29:38 | Libor | yea |
| 09:29:43 | ddalton | yeah |
| 09:29:47 | Libor | but what screen you want? |
| 09:30:02 | psycho_maniac | DiDjCodt: you didnt miss anything |
| 09:30:10 | ddalton | oh the one where you can install packages. I think you choose a nearer from memory |
| 09:30:24 | ddalton | so not the rockbox one... |
| 09:31:10 | psycho_maniac | ddalton: you didnt miss anything * |
| 09:31:11 | ddalton | let me read the instructions or do you know? |
| 09:31:45 | Libor | from cygwin setup? |
| 09:31:52 | ddalton | yep |
| 09:33:34 | Libor | this http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/788/rockboxjg8.jpg ? |
| 09:33:48 | ddalton | I am blind |
| 09:33:53 | ddalton | sorry |
| 09:34:04 | ddalton | I can't exactly look at it... |
| 09:35:08 | ddalton | anyway tell me some of the things on your screen |
| 09:35:33 | Libor | archive, audio, base, devel |
| 09:35:54 | ddalton | oh sounds good to me and your didn't choose the rockbox nearer? |
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| 09:36:00 | ddalton | you |
| 09:37:13 | Libor | I add url http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ and download what I need (i hope) |
| 09:38:24 | ddalton | no. |
| 09:38:26 | ddalton | thats wrong. |
| 09:38:44 | ddalton | you need to choose any nearer except that one from the list... |
| 09:39:15 | ddalton | did you follow the instructions on setting up the base or whatever before proceeding with installing the rockbox compilers? |
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| 09:40:29 | Libor | I did exactly like this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 09:43:24 | Libor | first install cygwin from url (with add thins what rockbox need) and then I install next things from http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ (but it doesnΒ΄t view in list, but i hope i install it, because in install directory there is directory with http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ and there are things what i needed to install) |
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| 09:44:07 | ddalton | I don't have time to read it but did you first just choose a random nearer from the list. Basically have you ever chosen a different nearer to down.rockbox.org/cygwin? |
| 09:44:19 | ddalton | download |
| 09:44:24 | Libor | yea |
| 09:44:55 | ddalton | ok go to the first one. a non rockbox nearer. do that now |
| 09:45:13 | Libor | ok |
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| 09:52:43 | Libor | ? |
| 09:52:50 | Libor | what now? |
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| 09:57:34 | Libor | ddalton |
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| 10:02:30 | ddalton | what? |
| 10:04:02 | Libor | what next? |
| 10:04:21 | bertrik | It looks like the reboot on USB plug-in is doing something nasty on my sansa e200 |
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| 10:04:51 | bertrik | It only works about half the time, but when it works, it causes some ADC values to change |
| 10:05:57 | bertrik | For example, the ADC_CVDD value is 460 instead of the normal 480, suggesting that the core voltage is somehow lowered |
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| 10:08:03 | bertrik | I'm now monitoring the charger configuration register in one of the debug screens, and this one also gives an weird reading after a reboot |
| 10:08:07 | pixelma | could the weird/wrong battery voltage that is shown when you get into USB charging be related |
| 10:08:09 | pixelma | ? |
| 10:08:30 | bertrik | Somehow it's now configured to charge with 200 mA up to 4.25V, while the OF never charged further than 4.0V |
| 10:09:01 | bertrik | pixelma: weird/wrong battery voltage? |
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| 10:10:15 | bertrik | I do see that the ADC_BCDD voltage is about 0.5V higher than the actual expected battery voltage during charging |
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| 10:10:32 | pixelma | if you monitor the battery voltage in the debug screen when charging in Rockbox (holding select on USB plug) it shows 4,6V and up |
| 10:10:51 | pixelma | that must be wrong |
| 10:11:42 | bertrik | I agree |
| 10:12:31 | bertrik | Perhaps sandisk put a diode between the charge input and the battery and we're seeing the drop across the diode |
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| 10:25:38 | bertrik | Weird, the system_reboot function tries to turn the backlight off before rebooting, but it remains on |
| 10:26:13 | bertrik | Perhaps the i2c transfer is aborted and leaving the i2c in a confused state causing the weird values to be written to the AS3514 |
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| 11:39:55 | linuxstb | XavierGr: Are you around? |
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| 12:03:28 | XavierGr | linuxstb: just a little bit |
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| 12:15:14 | linuxstb | XavierGr: I noticed that you added a note to WMA in the wiki saying that seeking was buggy. I was wonder what bug(s) you found. |
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| 12:17:25 | XavierGr | ehm I asked preglow about it (because the tick on seeking was missing), and he told me that wma seeking was buggy |
| 12:18:51 | linuxstb | Ah, OK. I told preglow that I had problems seeking in long files, so that's probably what he meant. It still doesn't work properly after saratoga's latest change, but at least it's not crashing now... |
| 12:18:51 | XavierGr | it's true though that I didn't test it myself, so if there are no bugs it should be corrected |
| 12:19:14 | linuxstb | I'm trying to debug it now. |
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| 12:49:36 | bughunter2 | hey, anyone here? |
| 12:49:45 | bughunter2 | i'm thinking about a new mp3 player, can rockbox run on archos 204? |
| 12:50:09 | Soap | no |
| 12:50:14 | bughunter2 | ouch |
| 12:50:41 | bughunter2 | i'm looking for a normal mp3 player that can browse for files by files, not by tags |
| 12:50:46 | bughunter2 | are those still for sale? real good ones? |
| 12:51:03 | bughunter2 | and easy file copying by using windows explorer instead of things like iTunes etc? |
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| 12:51:33 | Domonoky | bughunter2: all rockboxable players can do this, with rockbox of course :-) |
| 12:51:50 | bughunter2 | heh ;) |
| 12:51:52 | Domonoky | take a look at the main page for supported players |
| 12:51:58 | bughunter2 | look |
| 12:52:04 | bughunter2 | two years ago i bought iriver h340se |
| 12:52:15 | bughunter2 | one year later the battery didn't work quite well anymore |
| 12:52:25 | bughunter2 | when rockbox boots, i have like 4.12v |
| 12:52:32 | bughunter2 | 10 minutes later it can suddenly drop to 3.55 |
| 12:52:38 | Soap | then buy a new battery |
| 12:52:40 | bughunter2 | and rockbox turns itself off, while other days it just works fine |
| 12:52:58 | bughunter2 | but the batteries are dead really quick on this iriver >_< |
| 12:53:05 | Soap | and stop using the Enter key as a comma, please. |
| 12:53:12 | Domonoky | buy a new battery, they are really cheap.. |
| 12:53:13 | bughunter2 | okay :) |
| 12:53:36 | bughunter2 | special iriver batteries or .. ? |
| 12:54:15 | Domonoky | bughunter2: search the wiki, there is some info about the batterys for iriver hxxx |
| 12:54:25 | bughunter2 | great, thank you |
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| 13:01:24 | bughunter2 | Domonoky: maybe i'm looking in the wrong place but i can't find anything about batteries and replacing them? |
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| 13:05:39 | webguest46 | bughunter2: you might also find some info on replacing the battery here: http://www.misticriver.net/forums/h3xx-series-320-340/ |
| 13:06:33 | bughunter2 | thanks |
| 13:06:50 | n1s | Nico_P: care to answer some stupid questions about bufferin? :) |
| 13:06:56 | Nico_P | sure |
| 13:07:00 | n1s | +g |
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| 13:08:23 | n1s | I was thinking and fiddeling a bit with the midi codec idea and realised that I really didn't know how this works... where should I call the file parser/loader? is it ok in the metadata reader or will that be called more than once for a file? |
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| 13:09:23 | Nico_P | the playback code only uses get_metadata once per file, but the database also uses it |
| 13:10:14 | n1s | Nico_P: do you have a suggestion from where it should be called? |
| 13:10:24 | Nico_P | it might be better to sparate that from get_metadata though... and call it from audio_load_track |
| 13:11:59 | n1s | ok, another thing I thought about was the bufalloc function, if I understand correctly it want's a pointer to the data to load but I really can't load all those patches into memory, they should go directly to the buffer... |
| 13:12:32 | Nico_P | then git bufalloc a NULL pointer and then write to the buffer it gives you |
| 13:12:38 | Nico_P | s/git/give |
| 13:13:03 | Nico_P | you need to know the size in advance though |
| 13:14:25 | Nico_P | n1s: are the patches individual files? |
| 13:14:36 | n1s | Nico_P: yes |
| 13:14:45 | Nico_P | then maybe you could use bufopen on each ofthem |
| 13:15:02 | Nico_P | there is a small overhead for the handles though |
| 13:15:52 | n1s | would i just pass the handle id from bufalloc to bufgetdata to get a pointer? |
| 13:16:19 | n1s | (as there are other things than patches to load... |
| 13:16:36 | Nico_P | yes |
| 13:17:17 | Nico_P | but be careful of the wrapping... you might want to use a nonwrapping data type |
| 13:17:40 | n1s | and then how would i give the handle ids to the codec? (did i mention that i don't know how this works :)) |
| 13:17:47 | Nico_P | hmm actually bufalloc doesn't allow wrapping |
| 13:18:46 | Nico_P | I think it would be best to write a callback func in playback.c and add it to the codec API |
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| 13:19:38 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Can I also ask a basic question about MoB? I understand that the metadata is stored in the buffer when the track is initially buffered. But what happens when the track is being played? Must the metadata be copied to static structs, or can it be left in the buffer? |
| 13:20:52 | Zagor | I see a usb serial driver committed. has anyone tried it yet (I'm on a train without my sansa for a few more hours) |
| 13:21:14 | linuxstb_ | Zagor: I don't think anyone has mentioned it in IRC. |
| 13:21:14 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: currently it is copied to a static struct because the codec needs a pointer to it, so we can't make it use the metadata from the main buffer... without this limitation we could use only the on-buffer metadata quite fine |
| 13:21:36 | Nico_P | actually I think austriacoder said something about it |
| 13:21:47 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Sure - he committed it... |
| 13:22:02 | Nico_P | yeah but I think he said something about it in IRC too |
| 13:22:15 | n1s | Nico_P: sorry for being dense but how would this callback work? |
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| 13:22:45 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: I know, I assumed Zagor was asking about people other than austriancoder. |
| 13:23:01 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: ah;, ok :) |
| 13:23:34 | Nico_P | n1s: the codec API has a pointer to it, so the codec doesn't call it direclty but still uses it... the callbacks are defined in playback.c as codec_*_callback |
| 13:24:00 | Zagor | linuxstb_: thanks for translating :-) |
| 13:24:36 | Nico_P | n1s: they are executed on the codec thread and have access to the playback.c code |
| 13:24:50 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Going back to the metadata, am I right in thinking that it can potentially be moved around the buffer to prevent holes appearing? |
| 13:25:01 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: it is |
| 13:26:01 | Nico_P | the sequential order of handles in memory is always kept the same though, so maybe it's not exactly what you were suggesting |
| 13:26:53 | n1s | Nico_P: would this callback be called (indirectly) by the codec and would return relevant handle ids, which playback.c would have to remember then? |
| 13:27:52 | Nico_P | n1s: yes, except I think it would be even better if it returned something like a pointer to the patches the codec can use directly... the callback would do the hID->pointer translation |
| 13:28:22 | bertrik | Zagor: I'll try it tomorrow |
| 13:28:30 | Nico_P | that way the codec completely abstracts itself from the way the patches are stored |
| 13:30:03 | Zagor | bertrik: yeah me too |
| 13:30:18 | Nico_P | n1s: look at codec_filebuf_callback and codec_request_buffer_callback for examples |
| 13:30:33 | n1s | Nico_P: i think I'm slowly getting this... to check 1) audio_load_track calls the file loader which uses buffalloc (for structs) and bufopen (for patches) and saves handle ids somewhere 2) codec calls callback which retrieves handle ids from that same somewhere and gives the codec pointers |
| 13:30:50 | Nico_P | n1s: yes |
| 13:31:14 | Zagor | I read in the log that austriancoder wants the driver settings back. I wonder if multiple configurations would be a better solution than switching manually. that way the stack would be storage until you start logf_reader (or whatever) on the host |
| 13:31:27 | Nico_P | I'd say the biggest problem left is where to store the handle IDs :) |
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| 13:32:35 | n1s | Nico_P: well if they are just ints a static array of 10 or so wouldn't be too bad (but nasty of course) |
| 13:33:08 | Nico_P | no, it would be fine I guess... I'm afraid there aren't many other ways |
| 13:33:25 | Nico_P | maybe the buffering API should provide a way to get the handle IDs |
| 13:33:42 | linuxstb_ | Zagor: How would that work? Are you saying that you could attach your device to a computer, and it would connect as a UMS device, but then starting logf_reader on the host would switch the device to Serial? |
| 13:34:12 | * | Nico_P is off for a few mins |
| 13:34:26 | n1s | Nico_P: thanks for the answers :) |
| 13:34:46 | Nico_P | n1s: you're welecome :) |
| 13:35:05 | Zagor | linuxstb_: yes, possibly. I need to read up more about multiple configurations. or perhaps bertrik already knows? |
| 13:35:26 | linuxstb_ | Is it possible for both to be active at the same time? |
| 13:35:32 | Zagor | i gotta go |
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| 13:58:38 | Robin_Watts | preglow: You about ? |
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| 14:09:28 | Zagor | linuxstb: no, the controller (at least on the sansa) doesn't have enough endpoints to have both at the same time |
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| 14:32:13 | Robin_Watts | Any devs here at all? |
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| 14:38:33 | donTommazo | hello. I have a question about Rockbox on iRiver H120. anyone willing to help? |
| 14:39:04 | Robin_Watts | I'm also looking for a dev at the moment, but it seems quiet on here... |
| 14:39:06 | DerPapst | no. because you haven't asked a question |
| 14:39:56 | donTommazo | is it possible to install Rockbox just to try it out, and go back to the retail iriver firmware if I don't like it. |
| 14:40:04 | DerPapst | yes |
| 14:40:17 | PaulJam | donTommazo: you can even dual boot |
| 14:40:32 | * | Robin_Watts asks a question then... I've got some optimisations for the central speex qmf_synth routine on ARM. Anyone interested ? |
| 14:40:54 | donTommazo | oh, really? dual boot would be fine! why I would like to try Rockbox is because I don't like the firmwares way to handle recording. |
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| 14:41:12 | DerPapst | Robin_Watts: i bet a lot of people are interested :) |
| 14:41:22 | DerPapst | have you put the patch on the tracker already? |
| 14:41:27 | jmspeex | Robin_Watts: I am. preglow might be as well |
| 14:41:38 | moos | donTommazo: you will see, Rockbox is another world |
| 14:42:05 | Robin_Watts | jmspeex: Cool. I was going to do an optimised ARM version of speex, but someone pointed me at Rockbox. Looks like you've done most of the work already. |
| 14:42:20 | donTommazo | moos: how does Rockbox handle recording? how does it do the file naming etc? |
| 14:42:21 | Robin_Watts | I've just got a few tweaks that should improve the central routine. |
| 14:42:42 | jmspeex | Robin_Watts: Actually, preglow did most of the recent work. I did the original ARM work though |
| 14:43:00 | jmspeex | Robin_Watts: what did you optimise exactly? |
| 14:43:07 | moos | donTommazo: try it out and see, another world like I say you, you can already check the manual for more informations |
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| 14:44:35 | donTommazo | thank you very much. is the dual boot option activated by default when installing from rbutilqt? |
| 14:44:43 | DerPapst | yes |
| 14:45:24 | donTommazo | okey. fine. again, thank you. If I get problem I'll come back. |
| 14:45:34 | moos | no problems |
| 14:45:39 | DerPapst | but check the manual first |
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| 14:45:44 | moos | yeah |
| 14:45:46 | jmspeex | Robin_Watts: better move to #speex |
| 14:45:51 | DerPapst | it has some troubleshooting as well |
| 14:45:58 | Robin_Watts | ok |
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| 15:07:46 | donTommazo | hello. now I |
| 15:08:52 | donTommazo | now I'm back. I installed the Rockbox firmware with rbutilqt, but when I power on the iRiver, I end up with the original firmware. |
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| 15:09:35 | donTommazo | the installer says that the bootloader is installed, and I have a .rockbox directory in the iRiver. |
| 15:10:03 | donTommazo | does I have to do any tricks to get the boot loader activated? |
| 15:10:04 | Domonoky | donTommazo: you have to use the firmware upgrade in the OF to install the bootloader rbutilwt put on your player |
| 15:10:23 | donTommazo | ah, of course. :-) thanks! |
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| 15:31:15 | donTommazo | Domonyky: now things works just fine. Thank you! |
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| 16:30:24 | webguest38 | I'm trying to do a USB charge/connect patch, I've done the config side (made it an enum rrather than a bool and all the menu stuff) but can't get access to the global_settings structure from within firmware/usb.c can someone please point me in the right drection |
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| 16:47:05 | donTommazo | hello dear rockboxers. I installed Rockbox to my iRiver H120 earlier today and everything worked fine. |
| 16:48:16 | donTommazo | but some minutes ago, the iRiver hanged up totally and doesn't respond eather to button pushes or USB connection. is there any way to reboot the player? |
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| 16:49:37 | PaulJam | donTommazo: at the bottom of the device should be a reset button. |
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| 16:50:42 | webguest38 | Use a paper clip in the small hole - a pin might damage the switch inside |
| 16:51:12 | donTommazo | that's right. I didn't notice it since it was so small. |
| 16:52:58 | webguest38 | is there anyone on on who can help me developing a patch ? |
| 16:53:00 | Skail | you're lucky you have the reset button at all.. mine doesn't :) |
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| 17:03:23 | n1s | webguest38: you shouldn't access apps code from firmware, make some sort of toggle function that is called as a callback when changing the setting |
| 17:06:37 | webguest38 | n1s: Ah, that makes sense, I should declare something in usb.h and mosify it using the callback in the settings_menu.c - right ? |
| 17:07:55 | n1s | webguest38: that would probably work, or you can put the callback function in usb.c whichever you like, (it is done for a couple of other settings, such as backlight timeout) |
| 17:09:03 | webguest38 | Backlight timeout is probably a good pointer, thanks. I'll go and see how that is done |
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| 17:18:31 | webguest38 | nls: Backlight was an excellent pointer - thanks... it's obvious once you see it! off to play some more (then I have to decide how many differnt combinations of connect/charging/button presses etc we want |
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| 17:56:15 | XavierGr | wow cool, Tower of Rockbox wiki page :) |
| 17:57:27 | Soap | in related news, the link from http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2007/ to tower.jpg is broken |
| 17:58:14 | Soap | http://download.rockbox.org/tower.jpg needs changed to http://download.rockbox.org/device-pictures/tower.jpg |
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| 18:38:57 | magix | where can i find the ipod boot loader? |
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| 18:45:25 | magix | where can i find the ipod boot loader? |
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| 18:46:42 | iamben_ | on your ipod |
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| 18:48:44 | linuxstb | magix:The install instructions in the manual tell you how to install the bootloader (with download links). or are you looking for something else? |
| 18:49:50 | magix | is there anything u can add to the 2nd generation nano? |
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| 18:51:32 | magix | is there anything u can add to the 2nd generation nano? |
| 18:52:03 | iamben_ | i dont understand your question |
| 18:52:07 | magix | ok |
| 18:52:27 | magix | i have a ipod nano 2nd generation. i did some reading saying i cant play videos if its second generation |
| 18:52:46 | magix | is there anything i can do on my 2nd generation nano? |
| 18:53:40 | Llorean | Rockbox does not support the 2nd generation nano |
| 18:53:46 | Llorean | As is clearly stated on the front page of the site |
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| 18:53:54 | magix | ok |
| 18:54:03 | magix | are there any other plugins i can install tho? |
| 18:54:24 | Llorean | This is #Rockbox, frankly, we don't know, and it's off-topic here anyway. But probably not. |
| 18:54:45 | magix | ok |
| 18:54:58 | magix | 2nd generation nanos suck then lol |
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| 19:17:05 | countrymonkey | Can somebody check out 8219 and 8244? |
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| 19:17:43 | countrymonkey | Can somebody check out 8219 and 8244? |
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| 19:21:29 | countrymonkey | Can somebody check out task #8219 and 8244? |
| 19:21:59 | krazykit | countrymonkey, you don't need to spam the same thing over and over. when somebody checks them out, they'll tell you |
| 19:23:27 | countrymonkey | Sory, usualy irc is fast so I thought it didn't go through. |
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| 19:27:09 | ze | countrymonkey: irc is only as fast as its users |
| 19:27:52 | Llorean | countrymonkey: There's no need to come in here and ask about flyspray tasks anyway. |
| 19:27:53 | countrymonkey | I remember fast-passed discussion on this channel. I guess I was on in one of those fast times. |
| 19:28:07 | Llorean | The people who are likely to commit them do watch Flyspray. |
| 19:28:47 | Llorean | The only time there's really a good reason to come in and ask about one is if it's a patch to code, and you're the person working on it and want to know if there's something about it that would keep it from getting in. |
| 19:29:16 | Llorean | Or if it's been on there long enough that it seems like it's getting lost. Which is more than just a few days |
| 19:30:49 | Llorean | The entire *point* of flyspray is to notify us "Have a look at this patch", so coming in here every time you're interested in one of them is just a good way to get people annoyed with you in the long term. |
| 19:32:22 | countrymonkey | It is just since they are language updates, (and czech hasn't been updated in a long time) and those kind of patches can get quickly out-of-date, I thought maybe... |
| 19:32:52 | n1s | And since they are translation updates basically only people who understand the language commits them |
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| 20:45:43 | matmat07 | How do I install the patch i find on flyspray? |
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| 20:48:06 | BigBambi | matmat07: You need to apply it to the source code then compile |
| 20:48:25 | matmat07 | thanks |
| 20:48:32 | BigBambi | To do that you need a development environment |
| 20:48:41 | BigBambi | I assume you use windows not linux? |
| 20:48:44 | matmat07 | yes |
| 20:49:00 | BigBambi | In which case you can use VMWare or cygwin |
| 20:49:05 | BigBambi | I would recommend VMWare |
| 20:49:26 | matmat07 | i'll see what i can do, thanks |
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| 20:49:53 | BigBambi | Check out http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
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| 20:56:31 | hanseatic | hello people |
| 20:58:26 | hanseatic | just googled for the right mp3 device and found the rockbox project, and it sounds really awsome |
| 20:59:05 | matmat07 | so far I have used it its good |
| 20:59:11 | hanseatic | now i am looking for the right hardware to buy |
| 20:59:32 | _jz | Sansa E2xx serie is cheap is good but has a few flaws |
| 20:59:45 | n1s | hanseatic: it depends a lot on what is important to you |
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| 21:00:05 | hanseatic | thnx, it should have a "line in" port, a usb host, hd >=20GB |
| 21:00:05 | n1s | every player has it's pros and cons |
| 21:00:12 | _jz | - prioprietary USB connector / micro-SD instead of real SD / open design which leads dust to enter into the device and under the screen |
| 21:00:30 | _jz | hanseatic: sansa is not what you're looking for :) |
| 21:00:32 | n1s | hanseatic: rockbox doesn't support usb host on any targets (yet) |
| 21:00:37 | _jz | i'd say Iaudio or iRiver |
| 21:00:45 | matmat07 | what would be wrong with the sansa e200? |
| 21:00:58 | _jz | hanseatic: but you can boot the original firmware to use it as a USB host, don't run away scared :) |
| 21:01:08 | n1s | hanseatic: however a iriver h300 has those features and the hw for usb host |
| 21:01:12 | hanseatic | ok, but i read something that rockbox can boot beside the original firmware |
| 21:01:14 | _jz | matmat07: like i said : prioprietary USB connector / micro-SD instead of real SD / open design which leads dust to enter into the device and under the screen |
| 21:01:45 | matmat07 | oh, sorry, missed that line |
| 21:02:03 | BigBambi | hanseatic: If you want a line in on the unit and not through a dock, and usb host, then you want an iriver H300 |
| 21:02:05 | _jz | np :) |
| 21:02:10 | n1s | hanseatic: on most targets it can (not iaudio without an unofficial patch though) |
| 21:02:12 | BigBambi | But it'll have to be second hand |
| 21:02:19 | hanseatic | so, there should be the possibility to host other usb devices for casual copy-sessions |
| 21:02:31 | _jz | what?! |
| 21:02:38 | _jz | don't you know that copying is morally wrong ?! :) |
| 21:02:41 | BigBambi | If you want better recording (optical + line in + out) but no usb host, that'll be the iriver H100 |
| 21:02:57 | _jz | only buying will lead you to the path or righteousness ! |
| 21:03:06 | n1s | _jz: pleas stop it |
| 21:03:09 | n1s | e |
| 21:03:19 | BigBambi | hanseatic: look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
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| 21:03:35 | hanseatic | thnx, bambi |
| 21:03:37 | hanseatic | thnx all |
| 21:03:38 | _jz | n1s: what should I stop first ? humor or irony ? you tell me and I obey |
| 21:03:59 | _jz | n1s: you know about those two words, right ? |
| 21:04:03 | BigBambi | _jz: I believe he is requesting on-topicness |
| 21:04:05 | n1s | _jz: how about comments that don't add anything to the discussion? |
| 21:04:09 | Llorean | _jz: Both, this is an on topic channel about Rockbox, and for technical discussion |
| 21:04:18 | BigBambi | _jz: And don't be rude please |
| 21:04:25 | _jz | wow |
| 21:04:33 | hanseatic | the thing is, it should be for a half year trip to afrika, a pc will not travel along |
| 21:04:40 | _jz | ok i'll look somewhere else for humorous people |
| 21:04:49 | _jz | sorry for the noise |
| 21:04:49 | BigBambi | _jz: good |
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| 21:05:07 | hanseatic | so it should also store some fotos, and record / copy data given from met friends |
| 21:05:32 | BigBambi | hanseatic: You won't get that with rockbox, but most units will duual boot |
| 21:05:47 | n1s | hanseatic: well if you really need the usb host thing iriver h300 or iaudio x5 with unofficial patch is probably the way to go |
| 21:05:48 | BigBambi | For what you want I strngly recommend the iriver H300 |
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| 21:06:09 | hanseatic | i understand, well the copying part wont be an everyday thing, but it should be possible |
| 21:06:12 | BigBambi | n1s: Doesn't the X5 need cradle for line in? |
| 21:06:48 | n1s | BigBambi: possibly it needs the "subpack" thingy, not sure |
| 21:06:57 | BigBambi | hanseatic: The H300 officially dual boots, you would need an unofficial patch to do that on the X5 (and as I say I think you need the subpack for line in) |
| 21:07:08 | BigBambi | n1s: That's what I thought |
| 21:07:22 | BigBambi | But I'm not certain |
| 21:09:05 | n1s | yep, line in requires the subpack |
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| 21:09:26 | BigBambi | What about the usb host? |
| 21:09:43 | BigBambi | n1s: Do we have a wiki page for this or are you googling? |
| 21:09:50 | n1s | BigBambi: usb host doesn't however it requires an adapter similar to the h300 |
| 21:09:54 | n1s | BigBambi: google |
| 21:09:56 | BigBambi | OK |
| 21:10:02 | BigBambi | Cheers |
| 21:10:36 | n1s | although I'm sure it can be found somewhere in our wiki or forum :) |
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| 21:10:47 | BigBambi | yeah, no doubt :) |
| 21:11:05 | hanseatic | the x5 sounds good, anything i could stumble over there? |
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| 21:11:28 | BigBambi | Does the subpack need power, as it just like an adaptor? |
| 21:11:37 | hanseatic | h300 doesn't look affordable |
| 21:11:52 | BigBambi | ebay? |
| 21:12:04 | petur | I have not heard good comments about the x5 as a recording device. Toki even switched to an iriver... |
| 21:12:11 | hanseatic | nope... there's only one auction |
| 21:12:24 | BigBambi | They (and even more the H100) are in big demand as they are excellent recording hardware |
| 21:12:27 | petur | check the trade area of MR as well |
| 21:12:30 | n1s | BigBambi: iiuc the subpach is basically an adapter needed for line in and regular usb and maybe other things... |
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| 21:12:47 | BigBambi | n1s: Cool |
| 21:12:48 | hanseatic | thing is, the market is full of players |
| 21:12:56 | Llorean | The x5 only has two gain levels, -20 and 0, if I Recall correctly |
| 21:13:07 | petur | no, that is H10 |
| 21:13:17 | petur | but the gain steps of X5 are big |
| 21:13:36 | petur | so big they make AGC unusable |
| 21:13:41 | Llorean | Ah |
| 21:13:45 | Llorean | That must've been what I was thinking of |
| 21:13:53 | BigBambi | My general recording order goes H100 > H300 > X5 > the rest |
| 21:14:11 | BigBambi | But that isn't really through experience, just what I seem to have picked up |
| 21:14:15 | hanseatic | i see, well i am a professional sound recordist, for filmproduction, but the device will be for my girlfriend, who wants to record stuff from MCs, yes music casettes they use there |
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| 21:14:36 | mrkiko | H300 has been totally discontinued! So sad, all of you may already know this |
| 21:14:41 | BigBambi | We do |
| 21:14:44 | petur | we need a new port to a device with good quality line-in that is still available ;) |
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| 21:14:51 | BigBambi | So have all players rockbox runs on |
| 21:14:57 | BigBambi | Now there are V2 sansa |
| 21:15:03 | Llorean | BigBambi: If gain doesn't matter, the X5 might be preferred to the H300 because, if I understand correctly, if it were implemented the X5 would allow a wider range of sample rates for input |
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| 21:15:15 | BigBambi | Llorean: Ah yes, that is true |
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| 21:15:29 | BigBambi | But a potential future rather than now, right? |
| 21:15:39 | BigBambi | As in, it hasn't been implemented |
| 21:15:42 | petur | Llorean: Toki said he has lots of noise on his recordings - it may be a faulty unit though |
| 21:15:53 | petur | (and he has an X5) |
| 21:16:03 | mrkiko | MC |
| 21:16:09 | Llorean | petur: I haven't heard that report elsewhere, then again, that might just mean that nobody else is paying that much attention. :) |
| 21:16:19 | Llorean | BigBambi: Yes, potential feature iiuc. |
| 21:16:25 | petur | ... or using it for recording |
| 21:16:47 | BigBambi | hanseatic: Which country are you looking in? |
| 21:16:50 | petur | ... of low SPL sound |
| 21:16:56 | hanseatic | de |
| 21:17:10 | hanseatic | germany |
| 21:17:14 | BigBambi | :) |
| 21:17:19 | BigBambi | I got de :) |
| 21:17:22 | petur | if looking for h100, also search for iHP120/140 |
| 21:17:36 | BigBambi | No usb host on h100 though |
| 21:17:38 | hanseatic | i am also thingking of Archos Jukebox Recorder 20 |
| 21:17:55 | hanseatic | or iRiver_iHP-120 |
| 21:17:57 | petur | and if you need plug power: h110 doesn't have that iirc |
| 21:18:19 | BigBambi | hanseatic: Check out also US auctions - the weak dollar makes it very attractive for us Europeans, and many US ones will ship to EU |
| 21:18:19 | Llorean | roolku: What button combination does A-B repeat on gigabeat use? |
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| 21:19:53 | hanseatic | us auctions will ship too long |
| 21:20:01 | mrkiko | regarding A-B key: in rockbox what does it actually do? |
| 21:20:08 | BigBambi | hanseatic: What is your limit? |
| 21:20:17 | hanseatic | also hussle with import taxes and paperwork |
| 21:20:22 | BigBambi | mrkiko: Repeats between two points |
| 21:20:24 | hanseatic | 130β¬ |
| 21:20:27 | BigBambi | hanseatic: not normally |
| 21:20:35 | BigBambi | hanseatic: I meant time :) |
| 21:20:39 | hanseatic | i've had that at least |
| 21:20:49 | hanseatic | still shipment will take too long |
| 21:20:58 | hanseatic | should be here on the 11th |
| 21:20:58 | Llorean | mrkiko: Look at the manual... |
| 21:20:59 | BigBambi | hanseatic: It is just pot luck, but I've had a few things from the US with no issues |
| 21:21:30 | Llorean | BigBambi: He asked what the A-B button does, not what A-B repeat is, at least if I read his question right |
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| 21:21:46 | Llorean | BigBambi: The iRivers (or at least the H100 series) have an A-B button |
| 21:21:46 | BigBambi | Oh, I misunderstood then |
| 21:21:55 | BigBambi | I know - I'm a proud father |
| 21:21:59 | BigBambi | *owner :) |
| 21:23:27 | BigBambi | hanseatic: There are currently 6 H340's on ebay.co.uk |
| 21:24:00 | BigBambi | and 5 h320s |
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| 21:26:05 | hanseatic | bigbambi the 340 looks far over budget |
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| 21:27:12 | mrkiko | somone can tell me where I should go (if any place exist on internet for this) to buy an H340 Remoter Controller? In eBay I can't find it |
| 21:27:36 | mrkiko | I know this is a little OT but probably we will not take so much to "complete" this :) |
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| 21:29:40 | SHX | what can i do if my e200 device freezing?....(fixing the problem-not turning off) |
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| 21:31:53 | SHX | ? |
| 21:32:01 | BigBambi | SHX: Any error messages? Up-to-date build? What were you doing at the time? Details? |
| 21:34:03 | SHX | without errors, rev15447, listening to music and freeze after 10 min... |
| 21:34:43 | Nico_P | SHX: update your build |
| 21:35:03 | Nico_P | lots of bugs have been fixed in MoB since the one you have |
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| 22:01:20 | hanseatic | cu, and thnx 2 all |
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| 22:11:42 | pixelma | Llorean: just read back a bit, the M5/X5 has recording gain levels of only 0 and 20dB if you record from the internal microphone, for line-in recording there are more (-34.5dB up to 12dB in 1.5dB steps) - not as fine grained as the H100/300 of course |
| 22:14:18 | Llorean | Ah, okay |
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| 22:15:43 | pixelma | and I haven't noticed any noise in my recordings but haven't tried much so far - only got a subpack about 2 weeks ago, because on M5 you don't need it for USB and charging ;) |
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| 23:05:24 | webguest31 | i need help e260 |
| 23:05:38 | webguest31 | hi |
| 23:05:50 | pixelma | just explain your problem |
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| 23:06:29 | webguest31 | how can i switch to ums mode |
| 23:06:30 | ddalton | can someone tell me how to generate talkclips with voice.pl or on linux? |
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| 23:07:59 | webguest31 | pixelma? help? |
| 23:08:30 | advcomp2019 | webguest31, what firmware version |
| 23:08:44 | pixelma | webguest31: there should be an option in the original firmware (in "system") if there is none it is possible you have a "v2" type of e200s and Rockbox won't work on it |
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| 23:09:00 | ddalton | do I just need to run voice.pl with -c -e -E -s -S -l anything else? |
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| 23:09:19 | pixelma | webguest31: and please be a little more patient... |
| 23:09:26 | webguest31 | 1.02.18e-d (???) |
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| 23:10:13 | pixelma | then you should be able to find the setting... |
| 23:10:27 | webguest31 | but i don't |
| 23:11:04 | advcomp2019 | did you look in the settings for usb mode |
| 23:11:19 | webguest31 | rockbox is already installed |
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| 23:13:09 | pixelma | err... then your e200 should be in MSC mode (or at least should have been once)... what happens? |
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| 23:14:04 | webguest31 | i already installed rockbox but when i'm trying to connect it with my pc (via usb) he just can't find my e260 |
| 23:14:23 | advcomp2019 | webguest31, you need to go into OF |
| 23:14:50 | webguest31 | what is OF I'm a n00b |
| 23:15:50 | advcomp2019 | webguest31, that is the sansa firmware.. turn off the sansa then plug it in |
| 23:16:00 | pixelma | easiest would be to turn your player off before connecting, on USB plug it will load the Original Firmware and you can use it to copy files over |
| 23:18:37 | webguest31 | woooooooooooow pixelma - it worked. thank you i love you ;) *g* |
| 23:19:50 | webguest31 | advcomp you rule, too |
| 23:20:38 | webguest31 | tschΓΆs |
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| 23:23:59 | kugel | guys, I have a question |
| 23:24:05 | kugel | licensing stuff |
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| 23:24:24 | kugel | as you might know, I offer my custom build to download |
| 23:24:39 | kugel | can I include a font, that's not GPL'd? |
| 23:25:32 | Llorean | Fonts don't have to be GPL licensed if they're not compiled in. They just need to be licensed in a way that allows you to distribute. |
| 23:25:44 | kugel | Ok, thanks |
| 23:25:46 | Llorean | You ARE keeping a full copy of the source for each of your builds in case someone requests it, right? |
| 23:26:16 | kugel | not the full copy |
| 23:26:21 | kugel | just the diff |
| 23:26:23 | Llorean | You're required to by the GPL. |
| 23:26:41 | kugel | but if someone asks for it, and he needs the full source, I will give it to him |
| 23:26:51 | Llorean | How can you do that if you're not archiving a copy of it? |
| 23:26:59 | Llorean | You need to be able to give it to him, even if our site is no longer available. |
| 23:27:03 | kugel | I have a copy of the source |
| 23:27:29 | Llorean | A copy that's kept at the same version as the binary you're making available for download? |
| 23:27:38 | kugel | yes of course |
| 23:28:25 | kugel | I build my build of that source code, and I don't delete it after compiling, so I guess I have a copy of the source |
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| 23:30:10 | kugel | I meant, I offer the diff to be downloaded directly |
| 23:30:21 | kugel | for the full source the one needs to ask me |
| 23:30:51 | Llorean | Just making sure you're compliant. |
| 23:31:02 | Llorean | We've had a few unsupported build authors who don't keep their source around. |
| 23:31:14 | kugel | I wouldn't ask if I wouldn't care about licensing |
| 23:32:18 | kugel | btw: is there a way to make svn diff include files with were added by a patch? |
| 23:33:34 | pixelma | you need to "svn add" the files before |
| 23:34:14 | pixelma | making the diff I mean |
| 23:34:52 | kugel | So, I need to do something like "svn add <(?) apps/plugins/dict2.c" |
| 23:34:54 | kugel | ? |
| 23:35:14 | pixelma | without the < |
| 23:35:21 | kugel | ok cool, thank you |
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| 23:44:46 | PaulJam | would you still have to provide the source even if you don't offer the binary anymore? if yes, how long would you have to provide the source after stoppiing to offer the binary? |
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| 23:47:19 | amiconn | I remember having read something like at least 3 years. |
| 23:47:53 | amiconn | Not sure whether this is specified somewhere |
| 23:48:23 | PaulJam | wow, thats a long time... |
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| 23:51:45 | scorche | PaulJam: section 3b of GPL 2.0 |
| 23:52:01 | PaulJam | thanks, i'll look. |
| 23:58:21 | rasher | PaulJam: well, just add a written offer, and you only have to deal with anyone who emails you, which should be effectively no one |
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