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#rockbox log for 2007-12-02

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00:36:27pixelmaI wonder how much the annoying Sansa OF's database refresh will speed up when it seems that it can't read the files... (just tried linuxstb's idea in the forums and renamed one mp3 to mpa - it doesn't appear in the OF's browser anymore and Rockbox can still play it)
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00:41:13l7i still wonder why the Sansa OF is so bad
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00:41:58rayjgu32nd here on sansa
00:42:15rayjgu3i bought my 1st sansa the other day
00:42:26rayjgu3its a v2 of course
00:42:43rayjgu3which wont take rockbox
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00:44:06rayjgu3has anyone here heard anything on the progress of getting RB on a v2
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00:44:19scorcheyou cant atm
00:44:47rayjgu3yes i realize that
00:44:50cjtennyHey all; I just got my sansa c200 from, it does NOT say it's a v2 on the back, but I can't put it in MSC mode (firmware 01.01.05P). Any ideas?
00:44:54scorcheany progress on it should be in the forum thread in the New Ports forum
00:47:15cjtennybbl, somebody feel free to get back to me on the c240 at, though
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00:48:32rayjgu3cjtenny i believe you turn on lock, hold rewind button,plugin usb
00:49:04krazykitrayjgu3, too late, he left.
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00:49:30pixelmaadvcomp2019: was that the firmware version where they removed msc support? (I always confuse it) Any way out there upgrading/downgrading the OF?
00:50:17advcomp20191.01.05p did have msc mode removed
00:51:22advcomp2019that is why they went back to 1.01.00 on all of the the c200 series
00:51:57scorcheadvcomp2019: they left
00:52:25pixelmais it still possible to downgrade (or upgrade) then?
00:52:46advcomp2019scorche, i saw that but i am replying to pixelma
00:52:59pixelmascorche: I asked the question in the hope someone remembers when he returns
00:53:19scorcheah...sorry...missed you
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00:54:14advcomp2019pixelma, yea you can with windows you can use the sansa upater or you can go into recovery mode and drag and drop the older firmware
00:55:16pixelmagood to know, thanks :)
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00:57:57*pixelma thinks that should be mentioned in the manual, but can't do that right now... needs sleep
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01:18:45F400hey guys, any chance anybody here knows how to get the original firmware back onto my Gigabeat after a format?
01:18:55bobrulesanyone find that when pluging in the sans e200 the OF takes awhile to refresh the database
01:18:58F400had rockbox on the poor thing before the HDD decided to go haywire.. poor thing
01:19:43advcomp2019bobrules, that is known issue
01:20:21bobrulesthere's no way to turn off database refresh?
01:21:39krazykitbobrules, i believe the svn bootloader will disable database refresh if the cable is plugged and there's no microSD card
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01:22:44PaulJambobrules: pixema wrote earlier that you can maybe speed up the database refresh by renaming the .mp3 to .mpa (that way the OF wont recognize them anymore).
01:23:25bobrulesmost of my songs are in wma
01:25:55PaulJambobrules: seems as if rockbox still plays the .wma if you rename them to .wmv, so you could try that.
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01:26:51bobruleswill rockbox support usb linking in the future?
01:27:21advcomp2019bobrules, yea.. usb support is coming
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01:27:33scorche"usb linking"?
01:28:11bobrulesusb support but still dual boot?
01:28:16bobrulesI like dual boot
01:28:29scorchewhy would we disable dual-boot?
01:29:08bobrulesbecause I though you guys wanted to run rockbox without having the OF
01:29:36scorcheon devices that have USB working, rockbox is still dual-boot..
01:29:51scorchewe arent in the habit of disabling features just for the heck of it
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01:34:16*PaulJam would like to see the H300 without dual boot.
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01:55:01KleviAny ideas as to why seeking tracks isnt working properly..?
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01:59:36KleviTrying to change tracks is very slow.. and or changes to the wrong track, etc.
02:00:02Mouser_XWhat player, and what file type?
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02:02:40KleviSansa c200 and Mp3 . Wma
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02:03:19KleviI havent noticed this before with Rockbox.. when switching between filetypes
02:04:25Mouser_XI haven't noticed it at all. However, I do need to update Rockbox.
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02:07:03Klevibackup the old version first, id recommend =p
02:08:04*Mouser_X rarely deletes anything.
02:08:22Mouser_XI've got Winamp 1.9-ish sitting around somewhere...
02:08:46PaulJamyou can still download an archived dayly build if something is wrong with the current build
02:08:55Mouser_XOf course.
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02:09:17Mouser_XBut there's no need to, if I have it on my PC still. I'm guessing that was for Klevi though.
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02:25:56sansaHello, I just bought Sansa view, can I install rockbox on itÉ
02:26:03sansais it supporter yet...
02:27:46thegeeksansa: how is the sound quality ?
02:28:05thegeekthe cnet review complains about sound quality
02:28:09krazykitkeep in mind this is an on-topic channel.
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02:30:19webguest78hi i have a question, is there a way to zoom into photos without having to stop the music from playing?
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02:30:51sansaso far I LOVE IT
02:33:55webguest78um...does anyone know?
02:34:14krazykitwebguest78, please be patient. IRC does not stand for Instant Reply Chat. :)
02:34:26webguest78ok... :)
02:35:04PaulJamwebguest78: i think if you use a lower compression level it is more likely that you can zoom while playback. the puginbuffer is limited.
02:35:27safetydanwebguest78, there's only a certain amount of ram to go around so you have to choose either music or pictures at some point
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02:36:13webguest78oh ok thank you
02:36:26safetydanthis may change at some point but don't hold your breath
02:36:38safetydan(by change, I mean it might be possible to zoom further)
02:37:28webguest78is it possible to pause mpeg playback or maybe fast forward?
02:37:43davidfg4you can pause it, but not ff
02:38:11PaulJambut you can set the start time in 30 seconds steps.
02:38:43webguest78oh. is there a page where i can read whats new in rockbox?
02:39:04krazykitwebguest78, the MajorChanges wiki page
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02:39:28webguest78can i please have a link? :)
02:40:11krazykiton the left side of the rockbox site, click "wiki"
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02:54:11D|STORT|ONhow can i defrag my Ipod ?
02:54:21D|STORT|ONwindows defrag suxs
02:54:31scorchethat is offtopic here...
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03:27:33FunkyELFanyone here familiar with the flac file structure know why copying a flac file would cause the md5sum to change? I did a hexdump of two files and then a diff on the hexdumps and found only a small ammount of bytes in what appears to be a header to have changed
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03:31:04krazykitFunkyELF, just a regular copy should not change anything.
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03:31:21FunkyELFkrazykit, I know but it seems like the header in all of them have been changed
03:33:27FunkyELFkrazykit, looks like I copied it from one place but I'm comparing it to another.
03:33:57FunkyELFbut now I'm looking at the file format for a .flac file to see what info is actually changed since the rest is the same
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03:38:47allelemy plugin won't do anything in my program unless I press a button, is there a key for no input?
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04:07:54locutoxwill the 2g nano ever be cracked? :((
04:08:48scorcheno one that we know of is working on wont be "cracked" unless someone is working on it
04:09:30locutoxthat explains it i guess
04:09:50Mouser_Xscorche: I disagree. It can be cracked quite easily. A sledgehammer has many uses, after all.
04:09:52locutoxi'm going to bite the bullet and just buy a 1g nano so i can start messing around with it L!olz
04:10:14locutoxi'm sick of having to convert all my 'weird' format musics to .mp3
04:10:57Mouser_Xlocutox: Very true. I'm glad that Rockbox has SPC, NSF, and ADX support. It even has patches for GBS and MOD.
04:11:07*Mouser_X has all kinds of wonky formats.
04:11:18locutoxthe ones i want the most are .mod and .sid
04:11:33Mouser_XSID support in Rockbox is rather poor, IMO.
04:11:54locutox.sid would be quite difficult, but i know someone who wrote a 'decent' sounding sid emulator for the original amigas :D
04:12:21Mouser_XAt the very *least* I'd like SID support to not be looped infinetly, as it currently is.
04:12:34Mouser_XLike NSF, it could have a preset time-limit.
04:12:54locutox.sid doesn't carry timing information like that, it just continues forever
04:13:02Mouser_XSame with NSF.
04:13:12Mouser_XThat's why I said *preset* time-limit.
04:13:18locutoxbut that would suck!
04:13:19Mouser_XAs in, hardcoded.
04:13:32Mouser_XWhat sucks is that I have to manually advance!
04:13:52Mouser_XYou could do it the way that NSF is done. If the "repeat 1" is on, it loops infinitely.
04:13:53locutoxwhat rockboxed mp3 player do you use?
04:14:12Mouser_XGigabeat. I also have a Sansa, but I don't use it much.
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04:14:59Mouser_XAs I said, SID support, though it wouldn't sound any better, would be more usable if it was done more like the NSF codec does it. Have a preset time-limit, and if "repeat 1" is on, then it loops forever.
04:15:19locutoxoh ok
04:15:25Mouser_XThis is also how ADX, SPC, and GBS work.
04:15:43locutoxi have a soundcard for my pc that can take a sid chip, i'm more pedantic about the sound quality then anything else hehe
04:17:00Mouser_X(Well, ADX doesn't have a preset time-limit, and SPCs can have tags. If the SPC isn't tagged though, then it defaults to a preset time-limit. ADX doesn't have tags either, but it has identifiable loop points, which can be counted. It loops twice [when it's able to - It's a MoB problem], and then fades out over 10 seconds.)
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04:17:41Mouser_Xlocutox: If you're worried about sound accuracy, Rockbox won't make you happy.
04:17:49Mouser_XMost of the SIDs I've listened to sound very poor.
04:18:35Mouser_XIt should be noted though, that I don't often listen to SIDs on my PC, and much less so in Rockbox. Perhaps the ones I've heard in Rockbox actually sound the way they're supposed to. However, I doubt this is the case.
04:19:33locutoxim trying to find out what emulator engine it uses
04:19:59Mouser_XIt's listed somewhere. I know I read it. It was quite awhile ago though, so I'm not sure where.
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04:21:17LloreanAnyone with a c200 (possibly other players, I think I've seen someone else report this): In Rockbox I changed fonts a couple times, and got corrupted fonts. Upon restart it said the font folder is empty, and my Sansa is now mounting as read-only. If this isn't just something flaky about my refurbished one, I'd like to know so I can file a proper bug report. Unfortunately, I can't stick around.
04:21:41Mouser_Xlocutox: I think is it
04:22:33Mouser_XLlorean: Wow, that sounds like a problem... I don't do much font switching, so I've never come across it.
04:23:29LloreanMouser_X: Yeah, it's a big of a significant problem if it's not just a faulty device.
04:23:37Mouser_Xlocutox: It looks like I'm wrong... (I don't see mention of *what* emulator it uses, just different types that are possible.)
04:25:56locutoxyay rockbox is written in c:D
04:26:44locutox * SID Codec for rockbox based on the TinySID engine
04:26:47locutoxahh tinysid
04:27:05Mouser_XAh. Where'd you find that?
04:27:35Mouser_XAlso, for comparison purposes (and additional reasons why I think SID support should be looked at)
04:27:50Mouser_XIn there, it says that NSFs are similar to SIDs.
04:28:04locutoxtinysid development stopped a couple of years ago
04:28:17locutoxi got it from the sid.c file
04:30:02Mouser_XThe reason I point this out is because, the current SID usability is poor. If it were implemented more like NSF, then it would have preset times, thus I wouldn't be forced to do a manual track change. Also, the current SID implementation allows for only the *first* song in the SID to play. If there's multiple songs, then they're ignored. NSFs also have multiple songs, but can be accessed by "seeking" through the file.
04:30:25locutoxahh i see what you mean
04:30:57locutoxthis sid.c is a pretty cool file i always wondered how a sid emulator worked:D
04:31:01Mouser_XSID support in Rockbox is very poor, IMO. If I knew much about C, I'd copy bits and pieces from the NSF codec in an attempt to fix it.
04:31:28locutoxi don't think it would be that hard to implement, the tinysid pc version has support for switching between multiple songs
04:31:40locutoxit should just be a matter of changing the start locations in the .sid file
04:31:41Mouser_X"Fix" it, that is. Though it wouldn't sound any better, at least I could use it. As it is right now, it's not even worth the effort to use it.
04:33:19*Mouser_X has 32,000 SIDs on his Gigabeat, and never even listens to them.
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04:34:03locutoxi think i will buy a 1g nano and have a play with it
04:34:23Mouser_Xlocutox: If you have some C knowledge, *please* fix up the SID codec.
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04:42:14locutoxhmm 1g nanos can be had for cheap:D
04:42:28Mouser_XThat's good for you then.
04:43:19saratogathey're actually pretty expensive
04:43:49saratogaSansa are way cheaper, and work somewhat better with rockbox
04:44:25locutoxi prefer style over substance though LO!l1
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04:51:40zethe old roundy ipods were ugly, and whatever else is still made in that style
04:51:48zethe newer ones that look like a glass coffee table or something aren't bad though
04:52:27locutoxi like my 8gb 2g nano the best:D
04:52:35locutoxbest looking ipod that will ever be made
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04:53:47zei see 2 different looking things labled the same
04:54:13zeone with round corners and square edges and one with round edges and square corners
04:55:51ze is ugly
04:56:08ze isn't bad though, the glass coffee table kind :p
04:56:23*scorche coughs
04:57:02locutoxah yeah the 1 is nice:D
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04:58:15__seanis a channel admin on or someone who knows about logbot on?
04:58:26Mouser_XMost likely.
04:58:33locutoxMouser_X: tinysid sounds very weird on some tracks:P
04:58:50Mouser_XLike I said, SID support is very poor.
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05:41:13alleleokay, I have my program set up where it gets rb->button_get(true) sets it to a variable
05:41:45allelethen ther is a switch that checks for each button used in the game, but the program won't do a cycle unless a button is pressed
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05:45:45alleleany ideas how to remedy this?
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05:54:59psycho_maniacallele: i cannot help you but i hope you stay here to get this problem resolved. more devs will be here in a couple hours. hopefully they read the logs ;)
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05:59:43Mouser_XMost of them do read the logs.
06:00:12alleleI may have figured it out, trying setting key to rb->button_status
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06:37:57alleleokay, got my program running fine now
06:38:37allelein fact better than fine, app detects not only when a button is pressed, but as long as it is held it is detected and runs MUCH faster than it did on ipodlinux
06:43:31allelecheers all around :D
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07:24:10briantumorwhere's the wiki page for converting videos to the the resolution?
07:24:23briantumor*resolution for specific players
07:26:15Mouser_XIt's either that, or PluginMpegPlayer
07:26:42briantumorthanks :)
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09:09:25ddaltondoes anyone know what I need to include so I can use rbspeex?
09:09:45safetydanddalton, what do you mean include?
09:10:09ddaltonsafetydan: what file. When I run my script it says rbspeex command not found.
09:10:25ddaltonI am modifying one from using lame to using rbspeex
09:10:46safetydanddalton, you need to build the tool
09:12:23pixelma(I hope Llorean reads the logs.) I went through th complete fonts browser, chose all of them one by one and did _not- have any of the problems he described
09:12:39pixelmaon the c200 I mean
09:12:54ddaltonhow do I build it? And I guess put it in my path?
09:13:05safetydanddalton, it should be built as part of a normal rockbox build
09:13:52ddaltonSo how do I fix my problem? Run my script from the rbspeex directory?
09:15:16ddaltonsafetydan: so what encoder should I say in my script? Is it "rbspeex" and where do I place the script
09:16:25safetydanddalton, any reason you're not using the existing voice scripts in Rockbox?
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09:16:43ddaltonsafetydan: I had this one. And didn't think there was one to generate .talk clips?
09:17:43safetydanddalton, should generate .talk clips
09:18:38ddaltonsafetydan: oh. How do I run it on /media/iriver with espeak and english as my language?
09:20:16safetydanddalton, sorry I'm not overly familiar with the voice clip generation stuff
09:20:31ddaltonok then thanks for the help anyway better go for dinner.
09:21:18safetydanddalton, have you read this?
09:21:44safetydanor are you trying to use Linux to generate the clips?
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10:01:11ddaltonsafetydan: um well Im on linux...
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10:02:58ddaltonsafetydan: If you know how I call the rbspeex encoder then that will fix my problem.
10:03:10ddaltonmy script works but it uses lame
10:03:23ddaltonso I have modified it to use rbspeex but I get unknown command rbspeex
10:03:29ddaltonwhen I run it
10:07:07Mouser_XIt sounds like you need to compile the rbspeex program.
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10:07:26Mouser_XI *think* that's in the "tools" directory, but I really don't know.
10:07:39ddaltonyes. How? and where do I place the executable /bin/ for example so its in my path?
10:07:45Mouser_X(The "tools" of your Rockbox SVN.)
10:07:54ddaltonhow do I build it
10:08:27Mouser_XHave you tried "tools\rbspeex" ?
10:08:42Mouser_XOr, have you tried going to "tools\rbspeex\" ?
10:08:51ddalton\? why do I use \?
10:09:01ddaltondo you mean /?
10:09:13Mouser_XWhatever. I've never used Linux.
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10:10:47Mouser_XIn other words, use whatever is used to seperate directories in Linux. In windows, it's "\" If it's "/" in Linux, use that.
10:11:01ddaltonMouser_X: I have a object file. Is that what they are? .o
10:11:09ddaltonnow what do I do?
10:11:39Mouser_XWhere are you? I *think* you either type "make" or "make rbspeex" but this is mostly guessing here.
10:12:28Mouser_XIt's entirely possible that there's an additional step that I don't know about.
10:12:36ddaltonmake links it nothing else works. So what do I do with the file that has been linked?
10:13:02Mouser_XBuild it? How do you build/compile stuff in Linux?
10:13:18ddaltonsame way as vmware or whatever you have...
10:13:26ddaltonbut Im just running the make file...
10:13:35Mouser_XReally, I don't know. If you somehow got it working, then that'd be amazing, since I don't know what I'm telling you.
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10:13:45ddaltonand would expect an executable but I only get a .o file
10:13:46JamminRhi all
10:14:01Mouser_XAll I've ever done is build Rockbox, and that was in cygwin. Beyond that, I really don't know.
10:14:12ddaltongcc doesn't like it either... but thats because I did it wrong...
10:16:06ddaltonum I don
10:16:07Mouser_XMaybe if you download that (for Linux), it would have the rbspeex application?
10:16:18ddaltondon't have a gui but illl look
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10:17:31JamminRI'm looking around in the wiki now, but I have a noob question... my wife likes the idea of plugins, but, doesn't like the mostly text interface of the Rockbox app. Is there a theme/cfg options that makes it iconish like the original Sandisk e250 its currently on?
10:18:04scorcheyou can specify iconsets and change themes, but it will still ultimately be "text-based"
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10:19:01JamminRfah well. figured as much. she's an artist, I'm a geek.
10:20:22Mouser_XThe reason for this is because Rockbox was originally made for text-display-only screens. It's grown from that, but it still holds itself pretty close to its roots.
10:20:35Mouser_X(This is, according to what I've understood.)
10:21:05JamminRseems right. its mini *nix
10:21:28Mouser_XAlso, the developers prefer not to "bloat" the code with too much graphical content. KISS, as they say.
10:22:00safetydanJamminR, it's not related to Linux (or Unix) in apart from have some posixish functions in the core
10:22:33JamminRI have vision issues. personally, I like the text on a good contrast screen...icons/images don't do much for me as I normally can't tell the detail
10:22:41JamminRwife likes 'pretty' though
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10:23:40Mouser_XHave you looked at the WPS page for the Sansa e200?
10:23:48ddaltonsafetydan: Any other ideas on my rbspeex issue? could I get a executable version of rbspeex already compiled?
10:24:06Mouser_XWhile it may not be all that's wanted, it's better than the defaults.
10:24:46safetydanddalton, try cd'ing to tools/rbspeex and then typing "make"
10:24:54JamminRMouser_X, I've installed several wps files. The playback isn't a big deal as much as the main menus are. The original e250 had images with text as a sideline
10:25:03ddaltonI did and only got an o file
10:25:03safetydanddalton, that should build rbspeexdec and rbspeexenc tools under the tools directory
10:25:04Mouser_XJamminR: Here's a page that has a few nice ones to choose from -
10:25:11JamminRso, i'm trying to appease her
10:25:58Mouser_XUnderstandable. Some of those WPSs do *try* to be pretty. But no matter what you do, it's going to be mostly text based.
10:26:33safetydanddalton, look in the tools directory now. there should be a rbspeexenc and a rbspeexdec file
10:27:15JamminRI'll tinker, let her play with mine. Perhaps she'll find a theme and wps on mine she likes and go from there. If not, she can borrow mine when she wants to play games
10:27:40Mouser_XHeh. You do know that Rockbox can dual-boot, right?
10:27:56Mouser_XShe can stick to the OF, and then boot into Rockbox if she wants games.
10:28:03JamminRfigured, since the original stuff is still there. just not read how to do it yet
10:28:18Mouser_XIt's in the manual, but I haven't bothered looking...
10:28:33JamminRi'll tinker. I'm a good tinker'er
10:28:39ddaltonI think its all there but no exe file...
10:28:44*Mouser_X doesn't plan on using the OF enough to bother with it.
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10:29:11JamminRouch. amazing how fast 2gb fills
10:29:31*JamminR goes back and replans his music for the trip
10:29:43JamminRbye all. thanks for the info/assistance
10:29:59Mouser_XJamminR: One way to get into the OF is to have the player off, and then insert the USB cable (when attached to a PC). Once the cable is removed (safely), it'll go into the OF.
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10:30:34linuxstbddalton: The rbspeexenc executable is created in the tools/ directory.
10:30:36safetydanddalton, the files won't end in .exe
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10:31:46ddaltonoh yes I see. This could work...
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10:33:46ddaltonok so what arguments do I give it?
10:35:10linuxstbJust run rbspeexenc without any arguments, and it will display the usage.
10:35:59ddaltonsegmentation falt on testwav.wav from espeak -w testwav.wav
10:36:07ddaltonwhen running rbspeexenc
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10:36:23ddaltonit doesn't like my wav files?
10:36:34linuxstbWhat command-line are you typing?
10:36:56ddaltonlinuxstb: I will just log on on my other box so I can cut and paste it.
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10:38:13ddaltonok it is: rbspeexenc -q 4 -c 10 ~/daniel.wav
10:38:33ddaltoni just called it daniel.wav not sure why but thats all I could think of :-)
10:38:39Domonokyddalton: you are missing the outp
10:38:44Domonokyoutput filenamr
10:39:50ddaltonhow do I specify that?
10:40:34Domonokylike rbspeexenc -q 4 -c 10 ~/daniel.wav ~/
10:42:51ddaltonit just sits there and doesn't finish
10:44:35ddaltonoh it worked.
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10:47:06ddaltonwhats the file extension now for talk clips? etc?
10:47:37*Domonoky thinks its just .talk
10:47:42Mouser_XI thought it was ""
10:47:52*ddalton Double checks
10:47:56Mouser_XAs in ""
10:55:35ddaltonyou said it is just .talk what if I have fileone.mp3 and file1.wav?
10:55:58ddaltonfileone.mp3 and fileone.wav
10:57:57Mouser_XDon't do that, then. :P
10:58:21Mouser_XAll I've heard is *.talk for the file names.
10:58:28ddaltonit used to be but im double checking now...
10:59:09linuxstbddalton: Nothing should have changed about the filenames.
11:01:06ddaltonyay its
11:01:18ddaltonthat will make my life a bit easier
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11:28:54ddaltonthanks guys for the help. I put rbspeexenc or whatever in my path modified the script I got from Stephane Doyon to use rbspeex instead of lame and it is working great now.
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11:52:36birkenauanyone here?
11:53:38birkenauhaving a bit of a problem with windows recognising my ipod after installing rockbox
11:54:10gryzori think you need to boot on the original firmware to connect USB to it
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11:59:16Mathiasdmyep, hold down the menu and the select button to reboot, and keep holding it to boot into the original firmware
12:00:02birkenauexcellent, thanks
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12:15:34linuxstbMathiasdm: Rebooting an ipod with MENU+SELECT isn't recommended - you should do a clean shutdown (holding the PLAY/PAUSE button).
12:16:23Mathiasdmoh, I'm sorry :-$ I thought menu+select was fine
12:16:31Mathiasdmdamnit, now birkenau left already :-s
12:16:56Mathiasdmmy apologies, linuxstb, and thanks for the info
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12:17:26linuxstbNo harm should be done, it's just that Rockbox may not save any changes to settings if you reset with MENU+SELECT.
12:18:15Mathiasdmokay, good to know
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12:19:04Mathiasdmquestion: are there any plans to port the rockbox usb driver to ipodlinux? just out of curiosity
12:19:17linuxstbYou would have to ask the ipodlinux devs
12:20:01MathiasdmI'll do that, thanks
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12:45:25webguest09can someone help me with some info on using rockbox with an ipod video please?
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13:23:35pixelmaroolku: just seen your commit, I thought the pre conditions are there to make sure that the action is only triggering once to prevent an accidental repeat if you're holding the button(s) a bit too long? Not a 100% sure though...
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13:29:29Learlinuxstb: Are you aware of any newer ASF spec revision than 1.20.03?
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13:29:53linuxstbLear: No, I don't use the official spec as it has a nasty license attached to it.
13:30:14linuxstbLear: I think I've worked out how to identify DRM files though
13:30:19LearAh, well, just wondered if there might be any other types of encryption objects.
13:30:28LearMe too, have some code I'm about to test...
13:30:37linuxstbI have some code I'm about to commit...
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13:30:50linuxstbBasically, just checking for the drmv2 object - are there more objects?
13:31:07roolkupixelma: they are, but in this case it meant you had to press the second key before the repeat kicks in - a very short time window
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13:31:21linuxstbRockbox doesn't seem to like it if all the files in a playlist are rejected by the metadata parser though - it stays in the WPS with a "No file!" message.
13:31:24LearI found two types of encryption objects (in the spec), one extended, one normal. Normal one was in the file I created.
13:31:49roolkupixelma: it has been working fine without pre-condition on the h120/h300
13:31:50LearI thought it was marked as bad (ERR! in playlist viewer)...
13:31:50linuxstbThe one I'm checking for is 298ae614-2622-4c17-b935-dae07ee9289c
13:32:08linuxstbLear: Yes, but if _all_ the files are bad, Rockbox doesn't seem to react to that.
13:32:13LearThat's the extended one, and not found in my test file...
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13:32:58linuxstbffmpeg now has code for decrypting these files...
13:33:34pixelmaroolku: ok, haven't tried (probably can't). Just wanted to know if you are aware, that's all :)
13:33:59Learlinuxstb: Decrypt, as in breaking, or do you have to provide a key of some sort?
13:34:32linuxstbYes, you need the key.
13:34:55linuxstbWhich I would assume is on the device somewhere...
13:35:23LearOk, my code seems to work on my test file...
13:36:08linuxstbHere's my diff -
13:37:00roolkupixelma: you have a sansa I believe? Try using power-right/left to directory skip (need to start from the file browser)
13:37:33Learlinuxstb: Similar to mine. Different names, and I check for two types (drmv1 too, basically).
13:38:44LearThat guid is 2211b3fb-bd23-11d2-b4b700a0c955fc6e btw.
13:40:43pixelmaroolku: <newbie question>Do i need to have the aut-change directory option set for this?</newbie question> I have a Sansa c200 btw, but it looks like it has the same mapping for these actions.
13:40:56pixelma*auto-change too
13:41:21linuxstbLear: I'll let you commit then.
13:41:25roolkupixelma: from reading the code I don't think so (it is manual skip)
13:41:39LearOk, will do.
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13:43:29linuxstbLear: Do you have any idea how much RAM the AAC codec is using? I'm thinking about where we can store the seektable-related information - i.e. could we store it in the main 512KB codec buffer, rather than the current malloc buffer?
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13:45:32pixelmaroolku: I have no problem skipping to the next/previous directory, just need to be sure I pressed power before (which is easy). I only dislike the use of the power button in general there because it's easy to hold it a bit too long there.
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13:47:01Learlinuxstb: Seek tables can be big though, at least in "raw" format. We're talking about one entry per frame (or 1024 samples, I think), plus some extra tables that can be fairly big too.
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13:47:47roolkupixelma: I guess you are very nimble. :) Leave a little time between pressing the power button and the right button. Also try skipping two directories in a row without letting go of the power button
13:47:48LearCurrently the malloc buffer is enough for 1-2 hours of AAC, unless we can compress the seek table. And then there are mallocs in the codec itself...
13:48:08Lear(Compress as in merge frame size entries.)
13:48:29linuxstbI think preglow was planning on looking into the mallocs in the codec itself - he asked me to look at the mp4 stuff.
13:49:33linuxstbYou probably saw I did the easy ones, but the seektable looks problematic...
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13:51:04LearYes, the code for reading those is a little tricky to get right. Doable, if the decoder doesn't need exact frame size up front (i.e., is happy to get at least the size of the current frame).
13:51:17pixelmaroolku: the used buttons are quite close on the c200 keypad and surely I don't expect it to skip two directories in a row without letting go of the power button (and I really think that it is better because I first want to see what the next directory is... and the major problem of keeping the power button pressed here is that power off kicks in...
13:52:04roolkupixelma: yep, the latter can be a real bummer. :)
13:53:00linuxstbLear: Yes, the codec shouldn't care if you pass more data than is needed.
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14:02:55Learlinuxstb: Just tested passing in framesize*2 and use bytesconsumed to advance the buffer, and it seems to work fine.
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14:07:32linuxstbLear: Where does framesize come from?
14:07:58LearThe "seek table", or rather, frame size table...
14:09:13LearThat would be sample_byte_size in demux_res_t.
14:10:08LearOr the stsz box.
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14:44:15hanseatichello people
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14:45:52hanseatici want to buy a player, thinking of a cowon x5 vs a sansa e280
14:47:01hanseaticanyone has an advice, pros and cons regarding manufacture quality and rockbox compatibility?
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14:47:59desowinsansas are cheap nowadays, but there's v2 (which doesn't work with rockbox) of sansa out
14:48:35hanseatichow do i know it's a v2?
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14:49:55hanseatic"of sansa out"?
14:50:19desowinI meant "sansa's v2 are out"
14:51:13desowin"Rockbox doesn't function on the v2 models. They can be spotted by the line "Supports Audible audio file formats" on the packaging, or "v2" on the back of the player itself."
14:52:48hanseaticout of stock at sandisk... but what i can see at does not say anything about v2... some about sansa clip though
14:52:57hanseaticbut product name does differ?
14:53:13linuxstbThe "clip" is a completely different model.
14:54:31hanseaticsorry, it's german :/
14:55:04hanseaticany opinions about the cowon x5?
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14:56:01hanseaticdesowin: i studied that, thanx.
14:56:08linuxstbhanseatic: Do you want FM radio? You can buy v1 e280s either with or without FM tuners.
14:56:19PaulJamhanseatic: you could contact the seller and ask.
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14:56:57*PaulJam would prefer the x5 because of storage capacity.
14:57:01hanseaticthe x5 apperently has 16 MB ram, the sansa 32. does this affect rockbox/plugin usability somehow?
14:57:16linuxstbNot at all.
14:57:30hanseatici would buy the tuner version
14:58:02linuxstbhanseatic: I just mentioned that because that e280 on ebay doesn't seem to have FM radio (but my German is very poor...)
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14:58:38PaulJammidi curretnly doesn't work on x5 because of the limited ram iirc.
14:59:03hanseatici am not sure any more, but i think i've read, that the sansa has open usb ports, open in terms of the device housing, so that dirt and dust can easily get under the display? any experiences here?
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14:59:49hanseaticlinux the seller offers to enable the fm tuner for 10 or 15 euro more ;o)
14:59:54n1sPaulJam: I think that is incorrect, only midi file that need to load more than audiobuf patches will fail but most midis don't need more than about 5-6 megs
15:00:25pixelmalinuxstb: at the end of the offer you'll find a notice that you could also by a radio version for 10 euro extra
15:01:13pixelmaPaulJam: midi works on M5/X5
15:01:14PaulJamn1s: ok, sorry. i thought i had read that somewhere.
15:01:47pixelmaLinusN fixed it in spring
15:03:18hanseaticsorry, not the sansa, the x5 would be sensitive to dust/dirt?
15:04:20hanseatictotally different issue: is it at all possible to exchange the hard disk of the x5 to a bigger one?
15:04:37hanseaticsorry if i am getting off topic here
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15:07:30hanseaticI see, so there is no capacity limit for the used fs-driver in the original firmware, or some technology cowon uses to prevent you from exchanging the hd
15:08:34pixelmahmm... one should mention on that page that it is possible to place a dual platter drive in the X5/M5L models when sacrificing the second battery but I'm undecided where it should go...
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15:10:53linuxstbpixelma: You could put it as a note in the Cowon section - similar to the notes about the Gigabeats.
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15:13:03pixelmagood idea, will do
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15:22:42hanseaticjust bought those players
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15:23:51senabdoes %s still need a %m to use a margin?
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15:24:15senabbecause i've tried %s|21| and getting nothing
15:24:34hanseatic 300177218594 and 230196326312
15:25:52senabmine only cost me £70 anyway (about 110 euro)
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15:30:03linuxstbsenab: No, that change to %s was reverted almost immediately.
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15:30:13pixelmasenab: as I understand it, only %m|xx| sets the margin, %s should still be a simple 'line should scroll' tag.
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15:32:10senabahhh, thanks linuxstb, must have missed the commit description
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15:34:46pixelmaBagder: around by any chance?
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15:43:41mrkikoHi all!
15:44:03mrkikoHi all! Can someone tell me how can I manually ad to my config.cfg a line who selects a recording dir?
15:44:12mrkikoI can't do this obviously from the UI
15:45:13linuxstbBrowse to a folder in the file browser, hold SELECT until the context menu comes up, then select "set as recording directory"
15:46:25pixelmashould be "long NAVI" on H300
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16:16:41hanseaticsomewhere i read that it is possible to dual boot the iaudio x5, but i cannot find any doc about this
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16:19:21linuxstbhanseatic: Rockbox doesn't officially dual-boot on the x5. There's a third-party patch to do it, but you'll have to look elsewhere for it (I'm not sure where).
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16:20:25hanseaticthnx, linuxstb
16:20:42hanseaticjust bought both the x5 and the e280
16:20:59linuxstbYes, so I saw...
16:21:14hanseatici'll see which one is more usable
16:21:33hanseaticeven 4 non techies such as my girlfriend
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16:31:42*moos is happy with his X5 since more than 2 years now ;)
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16:33:51hanseaticis there anything like a dictd and client for rockbox to make use of freedict databases?
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16:37:41PaulJam_there is a patch for that on flyspray
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16:40:10PaulJam_maybe i'm wrong. the patch i was thinking of uses stardict dictionaries.
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16:59:54hanseaticstardict does read freedict datasets afaik
17:03:47PaulJam_ah, you're right.
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17:29:18andrea2hi all is there someone that is hacking around creative zenn 4GB/8GB... ?
17:31:03markunandrea2: there is very little talk about the Creatives in here
17:31:12markunmostly in the forums I think
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17:33:19andrea2ah... ok... thank you
17:34:00markunare you a programmer?
17:34:20markunjhulst is the only creative guy in here that I know of
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17:34:41andrea2yes, but I don't have much experience with mp3....
17:35:29andrea2I've done some experiments with my new zen...
17:36:17andrea2for what I've seen most information about the "zen vision" series apply directly to my zen
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17:37:44markunandrea2: you could collect all the info about your player in thwe wiki if you want
17:37:56markunwould help anyone wanting to port rockbox to it
17:38:31andrea2yes I read about it, but I can't open my zen ;)
17:39:06andrea2and my english is not perfect
17:40:19markunwhy can't you open it? Or are you a bit afraid to do it?
17:40:28andrea2yes ;)
17:40:58andrea2but do you think that maybe of some general interest that I ported the windows firmware extractor to linux
17:40:59markunI can imagine, but I've opened players so many times that I got over it
17:41:16markunsure, that would interest people
17:41:17andrea2and flashed it's firmware reliabily
17:41:27markunthat's very good news
17:41:48andrea2try to modify it, and adapt with the "null fixer" but with no luck
17:42:13andrea2I think that they have changed they HMAC key... but I don't kno how to find the new one
17:42:43markunyou could email the guy who found it and ask for help perhaps
17:43:18andrea2ah about opening my mp3, no I'm not afraid, but it will void my warranty (my zen is just 1 month old...)
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17:57:36Soaponce I have build the sim, and have it up and running, is there anything I can delete out of the directory I built it in w/o preventing it from running?
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17:59:05PaulJam_i think you only need the archos dir, the rockboxui binary and maybe the background bitmap.
17:59:06linuxstbI think you just need rockboxui and the archos directory. (plus the background .bmp if you use it).
17:59:13*linuxstb too slow...
17:59:18Soapthank you both
17:59:31Soapthis computer is running off a 4GB flashdrive, and every meg counts.
18:02:59maxkelleyooh, interesting.
18:03:12JamminRhi all. I've used the rockbox utility to install bootloader and rockbox, and then used it to install all of the themes listed within it. Now that I've viewed/tested the rockbox themes, there are several I wish to there a 'uninstaller' for themes, or must I go into the cfg of each one I want removed and remove the non-shared icons/images?
18:03:13maxkelleyis it faster or slower than a HDD based computer?
18:05:20DomonokyJamminR: try the unistall rockbox routine in rbutilt
18:05:49Domonokyyou can select what you want to uninstall..:-)
18:05:55Mouser_XJamminR: Removing themes is *usually* fairly easy. Specifically, open one of the themes *.ZIP up, and look where it puts its data. Once you know where the data resides, you should be able to remove any themes you no longer want.
18:06:23Mouser_XDomonoky: Ah, I did not know that. I've never used RButil...
18:06:24Domonokyif you used rbutil to install the theme, rbutil can also remove it again..
18:06:30JamminROh, Domonoky, there is the answer. nice
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18:06:46JamminRty. And Mouser_X, yeah, I know, but I'm lazy :)
18:06:53*Domonoky has coded this feature, so he knows .. :-)
18:08:29JamminRDomonoky (or anyone) .. during the rbutilt rockbox setup, it asked if I wanted to install it to the that a version that would run -on- the player, or just sit there to be used on other computers?
18:08:50PaulJam_maybe the description could be more obvious. for me "Uninstall Rockbox form your audio player." sounds like a complete uninstallation.
18:09:05Domonokythe second option, and i dont know if it really works at moment.. :-)
18:09:17JamminRheh, ok
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18:09:53Domonokyfeel free to help out with rbutil if you can-... my time is very limited ..
18:10:08PaulJam_sorry, i can't.
18:10:29*JamminR looks in the request site for 'theme/wps/plugin/extras' remover/file manager plugin
18:10:56Mouser_XDomonoky: What about WPSs that require a custom build? How are those handled by RButil?
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18:11:32Nico_Plinuxstb: has there been any progress on interrupts for the S recently?
18:11:41Domonokythe website which delivers the themes, should ignore them for rbutil.. otherwise you have to read the description.. :-)
18:12:44linuxstbNico_P: I thought you were the only one working on it ;)
18:13:19Nico_Plinuxstb: haha, no, I kinda dropped it because I don't have the skills and not much time ATM... I thought aliask was working on it though
18:15:23JamminRoh wow. forgot to turn off player, windows detected 'Rockbox media player' instead of mass storage device
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18:16:03JamminRgee..what kind of world is MS drivers for it found. harumf <sarcasm>
18:16:28Mouser_XJamminR: Yes, it does that for charging. The ability to transfer data though is not yet implemented.
18:17:00JamminRright, i was reading about that online
18:17:22Mouser_XAh. Looking at the manual then?
18:17:40JamminRFAQs, wiki, here and there
18:17:43JamminRlearning as I go
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18:18:48JamminRI see in the FAQ that speaker docks with control buttons don't yet work.... Mouser_X, didn't you mention last night the ability to have the RB dual boot? If I turned the player off before docking...would it use original firm?
18:18:52Mouser_XThe manual is the recommended source of information. Also, it's pretty easy to pick up on. Really, you can learn a lot just by simply skimming it, and looking at the parts that interest you.
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18:21:11Mouser_XJamminR: I don't know if it would or not. Personally, I'd assume that it would not reboot to the OF. Very little is known about the serial ports of most of the players that Rockbox runs on (this is according to my understanding). Thus, if you plugged into a dock, I doubt RB would be able to realize that it's plugged in. I'm really not sure though, since I have no accessories.
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18:22:20JamminRthis is another determination on whether to install RB on my wife's player. I have stocking stuffers for her for her player, and one of them is a speaker dock
18:22:56Learlinuxstb: Have you started doing anything about the seek table stuff in AAC?
18:23:59Mouser_X*Some* speaker docks work, but I really don't know which ones. Is this an accessory specifically for the Sansa, or will it work for other players? There's a wiki page (I don't know what it's called) about what iPod accessories work with Rockbox, and which ones don't.
18:25:23JamminRMouser_X -ok. i'll look. thanks. hadn't gotten there yet
18:25:40Mouser_XIpodAccessories <−− Name?
18:25:50JamminRhmm. my sansa locked. anyone know the 'reboot/reset' key combo?
18:26:06Mouser_XTry holding "Power" for 20-30 seconds.
18:26:28Mouser_X(It took mine 10-20 seconds, but 30 seconds to be on the safe side.)
18:27:09JamminRheh. I'd tried it disconnected from USB for 20-30 already. Connected it back up. Windows said 'unknown device' held power button again, went off in 10
18:27:40Mouser_XHuh. What were you doing when it locked up?
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18:28:39JamminRusing windows to 'remove device' - this is after I'd connected it with it turned on, and windows had detected 'rockbox media player'
18:28:45JamminRfluke probably
18:28:58JamminRblue band lit up...and it locked there
18:29:46Mouser_XHmmm. I just wondered, since it can help to know what problems there are. I've never tried connecting my e250 while running Rockbox.
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18:30:37JamminRseemed that if it locked while usb was connected, it preferred to have its power button held to reset it while connected
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18:32:51JamminRoh. rbutil uninstall is nice about listing the themes
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18:33:50Mouser_XThat's nice. I probably ought to try it sometime.
18:34:44countrymonkeyHow do you specify a specific voice to use with sapi5 under cygwin?
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18:36:42Mouser_Xcountrymonkey: I don't know. I think Calcipher did that awhile back. Early to mid November. Try searching the IRC logs. Taht might help if on one else answers.
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18:39:34stripwaxcountrymonkey - when you configure, you can enter your SAPI options (voice=Blah)
18:40:05stripwaxor 'voice=blah blah' (with the single-quotes) if the voice name has spaces
18:41:46countrymonkeyYou mean "'" or """
18:41:59Klevicountrymonkey: you got an junked Archos player and put it together??
18:42:34countrymonkeyStill trying to figure this one out. I'd love to. Ebay I havn't had much success.
18:42:49Klevithen whatre you using?
18:42:56Klevi*what player*
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18:43:15countrymonkeyMy current target, an ipod. These are 2 unrelated issues.
18:43:22Kleviah ok
18:43:38saratogais it just me or does sigmatel have GPLed drivers up for download on their website
18:43:48countrymonkeyAnyway, is it the ' character or the " that I need to use? My voice name is inclosed in spaces.
18:44:49KleviHey.. is it possible to make your own .voice file.. that detects certain names given text. and says the name you give it, rather than spelling it out
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18:45:33Mouser_Xcountrymonkey: Use the ' mark.
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18:49:13stripwax'voice=blah blah' using single quotes as I said
18:49:19davidfg4Klevi: see
18:50:04davidfg4especially the sections "Voiced names for directories and files" and " Automated generation of .talk clips"
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19:06:43JamminRoh. i'm still here. bye all. thanks to Mouser_X and Domonoky for the assist
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19:13:17guest946Hey, I have a bit of a problem with rockbox... some files in the database come up twice... when there is only one copy of that file on the ipod and there's no iTunes stuff.
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19:14:35guest946the build is a few weeks old.
19:16:41guest946ah... rebuilding the database did the trick
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19:36:57mud-rbso, when i plug in my e200, the screen almost instantly goes black and the wheel light stays on permanently. is this what it's supposed to do? is it charging? there's no way to get it to do anything without powering it down (20 second hold on 'power')
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19:38:46desowincurrent usb stack is unfinished, for now, just reboot into OF if you want to use disk access
19:39:00desowinit'll get working one day
19:39:23mud-rbokay, thanks
19:39:37mud-rb(i knew disk access wasn't working, i thought charging was)
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20:12:15rbbnow it won't boot
20:15:15rbbi read the apple instructions... It works again...
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20:23:02Kleviis it possible to drop the brightness in the LCD display for Mpeg player?
20:23:35bobrulesI would like that too
20:24:19Kleviwhite is overdone.. a bit on the screen
20:24:40n1sKlevi: if your player has an lcd brightness setting, you could use that...
20:24:43bobrulesjust a brightness setting would be fine
20:24:59n1sno need to duplicate it in mpegplayer IMHO
20:25:02KleviSansa c200
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20:28:59LloreanjhMikeS: I'm not sure I'm directing this at the right person. There's a question in the forums as to why video dithering is only implemented on some hardware?
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20:34:32n1sLlorean: I would go with a "Because no one did it" answer to that question...
20:34:53Lloreann1s: Well the question is more, "why is the code device specific"
20:35:06LloreanSeems to me dithering would be something done more or less on the software side of things
20:35:24KleviDithering doesnt seem to make a difference on my player..
20:35:45LloreanKlevi: It makes more difference the lower quality your file, generally.
20:35:52LloreanIf I understand correctly
20:36:11Klevithe things I playback are usually highish quality
20:36:12n1sLlorean: because it's done in the lcd driver like the yuv conversion so a device specific implementation is needed, i guess this is because of efficency
20:36:18Klevilike a DVD rip
20:36:35n1sfor example
20:36:54Lloreann1s: Ah, I assumed something more or less like that. I was just curious for details before I responded "It's done in driver code, rather than apps code, so it has to be done for each player individually by someone who knows that player."
20:37:20LloreanAh, so the driver just does the dithering, and all mpegplayer does is say "Hey, dither me", meaning it's in place for any future uses too?
20:37:57KleviLlorean: Do you any idea though, why playback seeking causes glitches / is slow / crashes my player?
20:38:27LloreanKlevi: "is slow"?
20:38:28Klevior trying to switch between tracks?
20:38:42KleviYeah, it takes like... three seconds or so to actually switch
20:38:48KleviDelayed reaction
20:38:50Nico_PKlevi: do you have an up to date build?
20:38:56LloreanSeeking isn't the same as switching songs...
20:39:09Nico_PKlevi: what rev. number?
20:39:12Kleviwel, im saying both seeking and switching tracks does the same thing
20:39:13LloreanThere's something funky up with my c200 too
20:39:20LloreanThough I'm not sure if it's a device fault or what
20:39:22LloreanNot with playback though
20:39:37LloreanIf I change fonts I can make it corrupt the disk. =/
20:39:54Kleviversion r15846-071112
20:40:05LloreanKlevi: That's quite old
20:40:10KleviYou cant be serious
20:40:11linuxstb_Lear: No, I'm not looking at the mp4 seektable stuff. If you change it,. don't forget alac as well...
20:40:13LloreanKlevi: You really, really shouldn't bring things up if your version isn't "now"
20:40:14KleviI got it last week!
20:40:25Klevilmao.. my bad
20:40:28Nico_PKlevi: last week is too long ago ;)
20:40:30KleviI didnt realize it was ol
20:40:31LloreanKlevi: 07 = 2007, 11 = November, 12 = 12th. That's more than a week ago.
20:40:41LloreanThat's from November 12th
20:40:41Kleviwell last week ish...
20:40:51Llorean"Last week ish" meaning 2 and a half weeks?
20:41:11KleviI havent HAD my player for2 and a jalf weeks
20:41:27KleviI just got it three days ago
20:41:29LloreanDid you use the "Current Build" link?
20:41:36KleviLike always
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20:41:55Llorean"Like Always"? I thought you've only had it three days...
20:42:01KleviI'll redownload
20:42:12KleviNo as in, like I always used to before my sansa bricked
20:42:45n1sr15846 was committed on nov 29 so that rev/date number combo is weird
20:42:58*Nico_P was going to say the same
20:43:07LloreanMaybe the date is off on one of the buildservers?
20:43:34*Klevi looked in system ._.
20:44:36KleviAnyway I redownloaded now.
20:44:49Nico_Pthere seem to be quite a few reports of slowness though, there probably is something to fix in playback, but it doesn't seem to be very consistent
20:46:07KleviI still have the same version!
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20:46:53KleviOkay im not being stupid am I
20:47:00KleviI do go there to get the newest
20:47:05LloreanKlevi: I said "current build" first off.
20:47:17LloreanThat's the daily build page. Have you tried clicking the Current Build link?
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20:48:00LloreanSecond, it says the latest on that page is r1865, which isn't the 1846 you're reporting. So even if that were the correct page, evidence suggests if your version number isn't changing, you're not copying it over right
20:48:03linuxstbsaratoga: Are you around?
20:49:26KleviSo its
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20:52:13Kleviis -0712 any newer..?
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20:55:16Learlinuxstb: Hard to avoid, since both call alac_seek...
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21:00:27LearBut libalac doesn't seem to return number of bytes consumed, though it should be fairly easy to add.
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21:03:51Kleviooo rockbox, while playing music doesnt switch to USB mode anymore? I like.
21:04:11Nico_PKlevi: are things better now?
21:04:26saratogalinuxstb: yes for a minute
21:04:30KleviI still have the same glitch
21:05:28linuxstbsaratoga: I was wondering if you were still working on wma seeking.
21:06:19saratogait seems to be working for me, so not much
21:06:27linuxstbsaratoga: And I was also curious to know what you meant by this comment - "/*for very large files it can be difficult and unimportant to find the exact packet*/"
21:06:43saratogaat least i can seek back and forth in the 40 minute file preglow sent me all day
21:07:04linuxstbThe SVN code still doesn't work with my large file - I think it's due to an overflow when calculating the new packet. It also doesn't work for files with a video a stream in them.
21:07:25saratogalinuxstb: i noticed while bebugging that it sometimes took forever to find the exact packet
21:07:38saratogaso i made it give up if its taking a long time
21:07:59saratogashould get you within a second or so of it at worst anyway
21:08:02bobruleswill battery life improve in the future?
21:08:10linuxstbHmm, that shouldn't be needed - shouldn't it just do a binary search to find the exact packet?
21:08:14Kleviis 158696-0712 the newest build?
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21:08:31karashataKlevi: yes
21:08:55Llorean15869-071202 should be
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21:09:04n1sbobrules: we can't predict the future any more than you can
21:09:24saratogai dont know that its needed, but it seemed like a good idea
21:09:27linuxstbsarataga: Also, wfx->bitrate doesn't seem to be very accurate in my test file - so I've changed the code to use the seek point (in ms) divided by the file duration (in ms) to estimate the initial seek point. This seems to be working fine.
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21:09:39saratogait at least prevents crashes if somehow it overflows and misses the packet
21:09:47Kleviyeah, Nico_P it takes about three seconds for rockbox to "realize" i told it to switch tracks
21:10:05bobrulesIs it possible to add this feature-> when you put the player on hold, when you press any button/scroll a picture pops up saying the player is on hold
21:10:05saratogai noticed that bitrate was often a poor estimate, but assumed my file was just broken
21:10:19linuxstbsaratoga: Finally, if the seek fails, the WPS displays the new time, but the file continues playing from the previous location...
21:10:28Nico_PKlevi: is that all the time, or just sometimes?
21:10:35KleviAll the time..
21:10:49KleviUnless I go and select the file folder I havr the song in
21:10:54Nico_Pcould you have a look at the buffering debug screen?
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21:11:12Nico_Psee if the bars fill up or not
21:11:26KleviOh wow...
21:11:37Klevidebug mode has changed since I saw it last cool ^^
21:11:47Kleviand yeah
21:11:55Kleviit was floating around at 1/2 and now its all the way up
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21:12:23saratogawhere do you think it overflows?
21:12:36Nico_Pyou should be able to skip tracks from within that screen
21:12:44KleviI just found I can
21:12:49Kleviby pressing up or down
21:13:36bobrulesKlevi you don't have crossfade on?
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21:13:50KleviI dont have it on
21:14:08saratogapacket_num looks like it'd be find out to a 2GB file
21:14:29bobrulesgo to cross fade turn everything to 0 that's what I would do first
21:14:37KleviI wonder if its the fact that im in a directory with files, and folders in it
21:14:50Kleviwhen im changing tracks.
21:15:03linuxstbsaratoga: packet_num was the problem. My file is about 120MB - a 2hr file.
21:15:21bobrulesKlevi I have your problem too, e200
21:16:02linuxstbsaratoga: Changing it to this seems to be working fine (and ignores the value of wfx->bitrate) -
21:16:20linuxstbsaratoga: Although maybe that has too many casts to 64-bit...
21:16:43*Klevi catagorizes all of the songs by artist now.. away
21:16:46saratogawhy is that neccesary?
21:17:00linuxstbsaratoga: Why is what necessary|?
21:17:08saratoga(temp/1000)*(wfx->bitrate>>3) should be fine unless bitrate is some insane value
21:17:27saratogaits just time in seconds time bitrate in bytes/second
21:17:31saratoga== bytes
21:17:43saratogayour file is 120MB, so it fits in a 32 bit int
21:18:14linuxstbIIUC, the bitrate is read from the header of the audio stream - so a) it's the audio bitrate only; and b) was wildly wrong in my file.
21:19:13saratogathen we should be doing what you said with filesize/length
21:19:23saratogabut 32 bit will work fine
21:20:27Klevinope.. I stil have the lag between track change.. but now I notice that it only happnes on a certain artist
21:20:47Kleviso, maybe its my files.
21:21:09saratogacould just change (wfx->bitrate>>3) to (ci->id3->filesize / ci->id3->length) *ms
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21:21:52saratogashould fix the problem with video files too i think
21:22:05saratogasince i was assuming bitrate was for the entire file, not just the audio
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21:26:00Klevihey.. why does the CPU drop to 30 mhz at some points.. and then jump back to 80 mhz?
21:26:27bobruleswhy isn't there a picture to tell the user that the player is on hold?
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21:26:38LloreanKlevi: Save battery
21:26:42Lloreanbobrules: There is.
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21:26:52Kleviits very small, bobrules
21:27:02Lloreanbobrules: It's in the status bar, unless you're in a WPS that intentionally chose not to have a picture. In which case, blame the artists
21:27:17bobrulesMostly likely my wps
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21:29:30KleviWhat is the boost counter? Under Cpu.
21:29:46linuxstbsaratoga: No, there was a different problem with video files, but I'm not sure what yet...
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21:29:59LloreanKlevi: How many things have said "I need the CPU full speed to work properly right now"
21:30:39Kleviahh ok.. so if none of them do the frequency sis always at 24Mhz
21:30:50Kleviinstead of responding to spped requests
21:31:21KleviI need to hink before i speak
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21:34:59Klevi**tries turning off repeat (all) **
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21:36:54Kleviokay.. Im playing a song, I try to go back. It plays the previous track. I try to go back again after about a second later and the track's name I started off playing comes up for a few seconds and then the track i wanted to play, plays.
21:37:33Klevithats what is going on.
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21:46:18RedbrevaInteresting statistic from the logs at, almost 15% of RBUtil users are still not using the newer RBUtilQT version
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21:55:55_Megafhi guys
21:56:04_Megafhow to play aac?
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21:56:57_Megafrockbox r139000-070715 gere
21:57:15n1s_Megaf: update then copy files to device and play them
21:57:33_Megafhm, ok
21:58:28_Megafn1s: i need update the the boot loader?
21:58:51n1s_Megaf: don't think so, which player do you have?
21:59:06_Megafipod nano 1gn
21:59:24n1sI think you should be fine then
21:59:59m0f0xhow is the battery life on X5 when running RockBox (compared to cowon's original firmware)?
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22:01:34BigBambim0f0x: Better I believe
22:02:03_Megafm0f0x: hi!
22:02:06m0f0xBigBambi, even with the 'power handling' at 10% (wiki)?
22:02:12m0f0x_Megaf, hi there
22:02:35BigBambim0f0x: I think that is ouddated
22:02:54BigBambiThe wiki is sometimes not the best updated
22:03:10m0f0xmmm... good to know :)
22:03:13BigBambiI'm pretty certain that any non-portalplayer target gets better than original battery life
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22:04:44m0f0xBigBambi, its possible to have both (rockbox + original firmware) on this device?
22:05:42BigBambiThere is an unofficial dual-boot patch on the X5 which by all accounts works pretty well
22:06:12m0f0xcool :)
22:06:15BigBambiIt isn't in SVN yet as it relies on some bits of the OF as I understand it
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22:11:20LloreanBigBambi: There's a better dual boot patch that doesn't use OF bits these days, but I'm not sure what's why it's not committed.
22:11:51BigBambiLlorean: cool, I didn't know that
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22:25:22_Megafshit, rockbox cant play my aac musics
22:26:17BigBambiAnd much more
22:27:05_Megafill install ipod linux again...
22:27:12_Megaftri-boot rlz
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22:27:20LloreanRockbox plays AAC, just not encrypted AAC
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22:28:25LloreanIf you mean "Are you sure" then yes, absolutely
22:28:47BigBambiheh, I read can
22:28:52LloreanSome very long AAC files cause problems still, but AAC is supported in general
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23:03:00Bagderthe Rockbox users list has turned into a voicebox-problems list lately
23:03:30safetydanI guess it's because a lot of people have to regenerate their talk clips now.
23:03:58Bagderprobably, yes
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23:06:15webguest14will updating the 'software' (the apple os bit) on my ipod through itunes remove rockbox from the firmwarey bit of the drive? Its just that I can't boot rockbox anymore...
23:06:49webguest14so i need to use ipodpatcher again
23:07:13*amiconn wonders why one would want to update the OF when running rockbox
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23:07:50webguest14alas i'm a dual booter (and click yes a bit too often without thinking on itunes)
23:08:36LloreanBagder: Someone mentions downgrading the software on a v2 c200 to a v1 on the forums. I don't know what's up with that, considering the HW differences. Are there maybe 3.xxxxx firmware versions for the V1s now?
23:08:58Bagdersounds unlikely, but who knows...
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23:10:17Bagderwell, "then rockbox as usual" kind of implies it isn't a v2 for real
23:10:27LloreanBagder: Yeah, I figured that much at least. :)
23:10:57LloreanAlso, slightly related, know anyone who's regularly around here with a c200? The one I got from woot is showing some interesting problems, and I'd like someone else to try something to verify whether it's a Rockbox thing, or a "Crappy refurb" thing
23:11:37Bagderpixelma and zagor
23:11:41LloreanAlright, thanks
23:11:53BagderI check his pics now
23:11:58Bagderand both are v1s
23:11:59pixelmaLlorean: I already answered you today... ;)
23:12:14Lloreanpixelma: Ah, didn't see you around. And missed your answer maybe?
23:12:20LloreanWas this regarding the fonts question I had?
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23:12:56LloreanHm, and now suddenly I can't reproduce it.
23:13:02pixelmayou weren't around, I just stated it for the logs (9:12 )
23:13:03*Llorean chalks it ups to unreliable refurb.
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23:13:47pixelmaI worked my way through the whole fonts browser without a problem
23:14:15LloreanAnd it's not happening now that I'm trying it again. Maybe yesterday was just a bad technology day. :)
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23:14:27TwinSorahey. (:
23:14:33LloreanI did it three times yesterday until it finally decided not to let me write to the flash at all without fully reinstalling the OF
23:14:36TwinSoraAnyone know how to create your own theme?
23:14:41TwinSoraFor Rockbox with 1st gen nano?
23:14:49LloreanMaybe something else was corrupted and Rockbox was being affected by that, instead of the other way around
23:14:58LloreanTwinSora: See the CustomWPS wiki page
23:14:59pixelmaTwinSora: the wiki knows (CustomWPS) ;)
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23:17:40GodEaterBagder: got time to check if I've set my new PC ok as far as being a build server is concerned ? It's still on the same old host name as my last one.
23:18:35pixelmaLlorean: probably a bad tech day, yesterday I had problems with a build I compiled myself - when trying playback it gave me all sorts of undefined instructions, svn build worked and then a rebuild of my own worked ok too.. :)
23:19:03LloreanSo now I just need to fix the headphone jack, and I've got a fine new player. :)
23:19:41BagderGodEater: looks fine to me, I'm enabling it now
23:19:49GodEatercool :)
23:20:03linuxstbpixelma: I had a problem like that the other day as well - a make clean and rebuild fixed it...
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23:22:01saratogai asked before, but has anyone seen the sigmatel linux site before?
23:22:20saratogai was under the impression that we didn't have any info on their chips
23:22:52BagderI think we don't
23:22:59linuxstbNo, I hadn't seen it. I downloaded some of the files, and they seem very useful. Hopefully it will also mean they would be willing to share docs.
23:23:19Bagderany fun targets around with sigmatels?
23:23:44linuxstbSansa Express I think
23:23:51pixelmaBagder: wanted to ask you because I'd like to put the 2 DevCon "Towers of Rockbox" on that wiki page... should I upload a appropriate sized version of the jpg directly to the wiki or just link to your site (just the pic address)? :)
23:24:39scorchepixelma: it seems like everyone is doing the former
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23:24:57BagderI'm fine with either way
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23:27:39pixelmahmm... I thought asking here would help me with a decision...
23:28:32Bagderprobably the first version is better for easy browsing
23:30:08*scorche nudges Llorean toward
23:30:29pixelmaBagder: thanks, will do :)
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23:33:30Lloreanscorche: I'm bookmarking that, I like it. Heh
23:34:58GodEateripodvideo builds in 32 seconds, H1x0 in 28, and JBR in 12. :)
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23:36:11Bagderwith the files in ccache already?
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23:36:39GodEateranyone have a recommended "make -j " figure for core 2 duo ?
23:36:47GodEaterI've left it at 2 currently
23:37:04BagderI have -j4 on my dual core amd
23:37:12Bagderand I build ipod video in 23...
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23:37:17GodEaterI'll change it to that then
23:37:26GodEater<−− budget pc boy
23:37:32GodEaterI spent £200
23:38:26GodEaterand it's about triple the speed of my old pc - so I'm happy
23:39:08GodEaterright - bed time for me - speak to you all tomorrow :)
23:39:20Bagdergood night!
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23:48:56amiconnMy box needs 35 sec for ipod video when everything is ccached
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23:49:14amiconnIt's only a single core amd, using make -j2
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23:53:35XavierGrwhat exactly does the -j option do?
23:53:53amiconnJust -j is a bit better, i.e. let 'make' decide how many processes to run in parallel
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23:54:17XavierGrah processes
23:54:26XavierGrnever tried it, I should...
23:54:46JdGordonif your on a single proc wouldnt adding -j slpw it down?
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23:55:05amiconnEven the single core has to wait for the disk sometimes
23:55:06*JdGordon uses -j4 on his quad
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23:55:52amiconnNo -j: 38 sec, -j 2: 35 sec, -j 3: 34 sec, -j: 32.5 sec
23:57:58*eigma uses -j5 on two hyperthreaded Xeons
23:58:28JdGordonhey eigma, any more luck with the dsp?
23:58:32amiconnI think using just -j is always best, unless there's not enough free RAM
23:58:45eigmahaven't had time..

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