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| 00:36:27 | pixelma | I wonder how much the annoying Sansa OF's database refresh will speed up when it seems that it can't read the files... (just tried linuxstb's idea in the forums and renamed one mp3 to mpa - it doesn't appear in the OF's browser anymore and Rockbox can still play it) |
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| 00:41:13 | l7 | i still wonder why the Sansa OF is so bad |
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| 00:41:58 | rayjgu3 | 2nd here on sansa |
| 00:42:15 | rayjgu3 | i bought my 1st sansa the other day |
| 00:42:26 | rayjgu3 | its a v2 of course |
| 00:42:43 | rayjgu3 | which wont take rockbox |
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| 00:44:06 | rayjgu3 | has anyone here heard anything on the progress of getting RB on a v2 |
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| 00:44:19 | scorche | you cant atm |
| 00:44:47 | rayjgu3 | yes i realize that |
| 00:44:50 | cjtenny | Hey all; I just got my sansa c200 from woot.com, it does NOT say it's a v2 on the back, but I can't put it in MSC mode (firmware 01.01.05P). Any ideas? |
| 00:44:54 | scorche | any progress on it should be in the forum thread in the New Ports forum |
| 00:45:14 | rayjgu3 | ok |
| 00:47:15 | cjtenny | bbl, somebody feel free to get back to me on the c240 at cjtenny@mit.edu, though |
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| 00:48:32 | rayjgu3 | cjtenny i believe you turn on lock, hold rewind button,plugin usb |
| 00:49:04 | krazykit | rayjgu3, too late, he left. |
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| 00:49:30 | pixelma | advcomp2019: was that the firmware version where they removed msc support? (I always confuse it) Any way out there upgrading/downgrading the OF? |
| 00:50:17 | advcomp2019 | 1.01.05p did have msc mode removed |
| 00:51:22 | advcomp2019 | that is why they went back to 1.01.00 on all of the the c200 series |
| 00:51:57 | scorche | advcomp2019: they left |
| 00:52:25 | pixelma | is it still possible to downgrade (or upgrade) then? |
| 00:52:46 | advcomp2019 | scorche, i saw that but i am replying to pixelma |
| 00:52:59 | pixelma | scorche: I asked the question in the hope someone remembers when he returns |
| 00:53:19 | scorche | ah...sorry...missed you |
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| 00:54:14 | advcomp2019 | pixelma, yea you can with windows you can use the sansa upater or you can go into recovery mode and drag and drop the older firmware |
| 00:55:16 | pixelma | good to know, thanks :) |
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| 00:57:57 | * | pixelma thinks that should be mentioned in the manual, but can't do that right now... needs sleep |
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| 01:18:45 | F400 | hey guys, any chance anybody here knows how to get the original firmware back onto my Gigabeat after a format? |
| 01:18:55 | bobrules | anyone find that when pluging in the sans e200 the OF takes awhile to refresh the database |
| 01:18:58 | F400 | had rockbox on the poor thing before the HDD decided to go haywire.. poor thing |
| 01:19:43 | advcomp2019 | bobrules, that is known issue |
| 01:19:51 | bobrules | ah |
| 01:20:21 | bobrules | there's no way to turn off database refresh? |
| 01:21:39 | krazykit | bobrules, i believe the svn bootloader will disable database refresh if the cable is plugged and there's no microSD card |
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| 01:22:44 | PaulJam | bobrules: pixema wrote earlier that you can maybe speed up the database refresh by renaming the .mp3 to .mpa (that way the OF wont recognize them anymore). |
| 01:23:25 | bobrules | most of my songs are in wma |
| 01:25:55 | PaulJam | bobrules: seems as if rockbox still plays the .wma if you rename them to .wmv, so you could try that. |
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| 01:26:51 | bobrules | will rockbox support usb linking in the future? |
| 01:27:21 | advcomp2019 | bobrules, yea.. usb support is coming |
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| 01:27:33 | scorche | "usb linking"? |
| 01:28:11 | bobrules | usb support but still dual boot? |
| 01:28:16 | bobrules | I like dual boot |
| 01:28:29 | scorche | why would we disable dual-boot? |
| 01:29:08 | bobrules | because I though you guys wanted to run rockbox without having the OF |
| 01:29:36 | scorche | on devices that have USB working, rockbox is still dual-boot.. |
| 01:29:51 | scorche | we arent in the habit of disabling features just for the heck of it |
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| 01:34:16 | * | PaulJam would like to see the H300 without dual boot. |
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| 01:55:01 | Klevi | Any ideas as to why seeking tracks isnt working properly..? |
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| 01:59:36 | Klevi | Trying to change tracks is very slow.. and or changes to the wrong track, etc. |
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| 02:00:02 | Mouser_X | What player, and what file type? |
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| 02:02:40 | Klevi | Sansa c200 and Mp3 . Wma |
| 02:02:42 | Klevi | **/ |
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| 02:03:19 | Klevi | I havent noticed this before with Rockbox.. when switching between filetypes |
| 02:04:25 | Mouser_X | I haven't noticed it at all. However, I do need to update Rockbox. |
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| 02:07:03 | Klevi | backup the old version first, id recommend =p |
| 02:08:04 | * | Mouser_X rarely deletes anything. |
| 02:08:22 | Mouser_X | I've got Winamp 1.9-ish sitting around somewhere... |
| 02:08:46 | PaulJam | you can still download an archived dayly build if something is wrong with the current build |
| 02:08:55 | Mouser_X | Of course. |
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| 02:09:17 | Mouser_X | But there's no need to, if I have it on my PC still. I'm guessing that was for Klevi though. |
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| 02:25:56 | sansa | Hello, I just bought Sansa view, can I install rockbox on itÉ |
| 02:26:03 | sansa | is it supporter yet... |
| 02:26:59 | davidfg4 | no |
| 02:27:46 | thegeek | sansa: how is the sound quality ? |
| 02:28:05 | thegeek | the cnet review complains about sound quality |
| 02:28:09 | krazykit | keep in mind this is an on-topic channel. |
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| 02:30:19 | webguest78 | hi i have a question, is there a way to zoom into photos without having to stop the music from playing? |
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| 02:30:51 | sansa | so far I LOVE IT |
| 02:33:55 | webguest78 | um...does anyone know? |
| 02:34:14 | krazykit | webguest78, please be patient. IRC does not stand for Instant Reply Chat. |
| 02:34:15 | webguest78 | please...help? :) |
| 02:34:26 | webguest78 | ok... :) |
| 02:35:04 | PaulJam | webguest78: i think if you use a lower compression level it is more likely that you can zoom while playback. the puginbuffer is limited. |
| 02:35:27 | safetydan | webguest78, there's only a certain amount of ram to go around so you have to choose either music or pictures at some point |
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| 02:36:13 | webguest78 | oh ok thank you |
| 02:36:26 | safetydan | this may change at some point but don't hold your breath |
| 02:36:38 | safetydan | (by change, I mean it might be possible to zoom further) |
| 02:37:28 | webguest78 | is it possible to pause mpeg playback or maybe fast forward? |
| 02:37:43 | davidfg4 | you can pause it, but not ff |
| 02:38:11 | PaulJam | but you can set the start time in 30 seconds steps. |
| 02:38:43 | webguest78 | oh. is there a page where i can read whats new in rockbox? |
| 02:39:04 | krazykit | webguest78, the MajorChanges wiki page |
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| 02:39:28 | webguest78 | can i please have a link? :) |
| 02:40:11 | krazykit | on the left side of the rockbox site, click "wiki" |
| 02:40:21 | davidfg4 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
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| 02:54:11 | D|STORT|ON | how can i defrag my Ipod ? |
| 02:54:21 | D|STORT|ON | windows defrag suxs |
| 02:54:31 | scorche | that is offtopic here... |
| 02:54:45 | D|STORT|ON | o |
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| 03:27:33 | FunkyELF | anyone here familiar with the flac file structure know why copying a flac file would cause the md5sum to change? I did a hexdump of two files and then a diff on the hexdumps and found only a small ammount of bytes in what appears to be a header to have changed |
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| 03:31:04 | krazykit | FunkyELF, just a regular copy should not change anything. |
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| 03:31:21 | FunkyELF | krazykit, I know but it seems like the header in all of them have been changed |
| 03:33:27 | FunkyELF | krazykit, actually....it looks like I copied it from one place but I'm comparing it to another. |
| 03:33:57 | FunkyELF | but now I'm looking at the file format for a .flac file to see what info is actually changed since the rest is the same |
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| 03:38:47 | allele | my plugin won't do anything in my program unless I press a button, is there a key for no input? |
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| 04:07:54 | locutox | will the 2g nano ever be cracked? :(( |
| 04:08:48 | scorche | no one that we know of is working on it...it wont be "cracked" unless someone is working on it |
| 04:09:27 | locutox | oh |
| 04:09:30 | locutox | that explains it i guess |
| 04:09:50 | Mouser_X | scorche: I disagree. It can be cracked quite easily. A sledgehammer has many uses, after all. |
| 04:09:52 | locutox | i'm going to bite the bullet and just buy a 1g nano so i can start messing around with it L!olz |
| 04:09:53 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 04:10:14 | locutox | i'm sick of having to convert all my 'weird' format musics to .mp3 |
| 04:10:57 | Mouser_X | locutox: Very true. I'm glad that Rockbox has SPC, NSF, and ADX support. It even has patches for GBS and MOD. |
| 04:11:07 | * | Mouser_X has all kinds of wonky formats. |
| 04:11:18 | locutox | the ones i want the most are .mod and .sid |
| 04:11:33 | Mouser_X | SID support in Rockbox is rather poor, IMO. |
| 04:11:54 | locutox | .sid would be quite difficult, but i know someone who wrote a 'decent' sounding sid emulator for the original amigas :D |
| 04:12:21 | Mouser_X | At the very *least* I'd like SID support to not be looped infinetly, as it currently is. |
| 04:12:34 | Mouser_X | Like NSF, it could have a preset time-limit. |
| 04:12:54 | locutox | .sid doesn't carry timing information like that, it just continues forever |
| 04:13:02 | Mouser_X | Same with NSF. |
| 04:13:12 | Mouser_X | That's why I said *preset* time-limit. |
| 04:13:18 | locutox | but that would suck! |
| 04:13:19 | Mouser_X | As in, hardcoded. |
| 04:13:32 | Mouser_X | What sucks is that I have to manually advance! |
| 04:13:52 | Mouser_X | You could do it the way that NSF is done. If the "repeat 1" is on, it loops infinitely. |
| 04:13:53 | locutox | what rockboxed mp3 player do you use? |
| 04:14:12 | Mouser_X | Gigabeat. I also have a Sansa, but I don't use it much. |
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| 04:14:59 | Mouser_X | As I said, SID support, though it wouldn't sound any better, would be more usable if it was done more like the NSF codec does it. Have a preset time-limit, and if "repeat 1" is on, then it loops forever. |
| 04:15:19 | locutox | oh ok |
| 04:15:25 | Mouser_X | This is also how ADX, SPC, and GBS work. |
| 04:15:43 | locutox | i have a soundcard for my pc that can take a sid chip, i'm more pedantic about the sound quality then anything else hehe |
| 04:17:00 | Mouser_X | (Well, ADX doesn't have a preset time-limit, and SPCs can have tags. If the SPC isn't tagged though, then it defaults to a preset time-limit. ADX doesn't have tags either, but it has identifiable loop points, which can be counted. It loops twice [when it's able to - It's a MoB problem], and then fades out over 10 seconds.) |
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| 04:17:41 | Mouser_X | locutox: If you're worried about sound accuracy, Rockbox won't make you happy. |
| 04:17:49 | Mouser_X | Most of the SIDs I've listened to sound very poor. |
| 04:18:35 | Mouser_X | It should be noted though, that I don't often listen to SIDs on my PC, and much less so in Rockbox. Perhaps the ones I've heard in Rockbox actually sound the way they're supposed to. However, I doubt this is the case. |
| 04:19:33 | locutox | im trying to find out what emulator engine it uses |
| 04:19:59 | Mouser_X | It's listed somewhere. I know I read it. It was quite awhile ago though, so I'm not sure where. |
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| 04:21:17 | Llorean | Anyone with a c200 (possibly other players, I think I've seen someone else report this): In Rockbox I changed fonts a couple times, and got corrupted fonts. Upon restart it said the font folder is empty, and my Sansa is now mounting as read-only. If this isn't just something flaky about my refurbished one, I'd like to know so I can file a proper bug report. Unfortunately, I can't stick around. |
| 04:21:41 | Mouser_X | locutox: I think is it http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Other_CODECs |
| 04:22:33 | Mouser_X | Llorean: Wow, that sounds like a problem... I don't do much font switching, so I've never come across it. |
| 04:23:29 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Yeah, it's a big of a significant problem if it's not just a faulty device. |
| 04:23:37 | Mouser_X | locutox: It looks like I'm wrong... (I don't see mention of *what* emulator it uses, just different types that are possible.) |
| 04:23:50 | Llorean | bit |
| 04:25:56 | locutox | yay rockbox is written in c:D |
| 04:26:44 | locutox | * SID Codec for rockbox based on the TinySID engine |
| 04:26:47 | locutox | ahh tinysid |
| 04:27:05 | Mouser_X | Ah. Where'd you find that? |
| 04:27:35 | Mouser_X | Also, for comparison purposes (and additional reasons why I think SID support should be looked at) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecNSF |
| 04:27:50 | Mouser_X | In there, it says that NSFs are similar to SIDs. |
| 04:28:04 | locutox | tinysid development stopped a couple of years ago |
| 04:28:17 | locutox | i got it from the sid.c file |
| 04:28:29 | locutox | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/codecs/sid.c |
| 04:30:02 | Mouser_X | The reason I point this out is because, the current SID usability is poor. If it were implemented more like NSF, then it would have preset times, thus I wouldn't be forced to do a manual track change. Also, the current SID implementation allows for only the *first* song in the SID to play. If there's multiple songs, then they're ignored. NSFs also have multiple songs, but can be accessed by "seeking" through the file. |
| 04:30:25 | locutox | ahh i see what you mean |
| 04:30:57 | locutox | this sid.c is a pretty cool file i always wondered how a sid emulator worked:D |
| 04:31:01 | Mouser_X | SID support in Rockbox is very poor, IMO. If I knew much about C, I'd copy bits and pieces from the NSF codec in an attempt to fix it. |
| 04:31:28 | locutox | i don't think it would be that hard to implement, the tinysid pc version has support for switching between multiple songs |
| 04:31:40 | locutox | it should just be a matter of changing the start locations in the .sid file |
| 04:31:41 | Mouser_X | "Fix" it, that is. Though it wouldn't sound any better, at least I could use it. As it is right now, it's not even worth the effort to use it. |
| 04:33:19 | * | Mouser_X has 32,000 SIDs on his Gigabeat, and never even listens to them. |
| 04:33:37 | locutox | hehe |
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| 04:34:03 | locutox | i think i will buy a 1g nano and have a play with it |
| 04:34:23 | Mouser_X | locutox: If you have some C knowledge, *please* fix up the SID codec. |
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| 04:42:14 | locutox | hmm 1g nanos can be had for cheap:D |
| 04:42:28 | Mouser_X | That's good for you then. |
| 04:43:19 | saratoga | they're actually pretty expensive |
| 04:43:49 | saratoga | Sansa are way cheaper, and work somewhat better with rockbox |
| 04:44:25 | locutox | i prefer style over substance though LO!l1 |
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| 04:51:40 | ze | the old roundy ipods were ugly, and whatever else is still made in that style |
| 04:51:48 | ze | the newer ones that look like a glass coffee table or something aren't bad though |
| 04:51:52 | ze | heh |
| 04:52:27 | locutox | i like my 8gb 2g nano the best:D |
| 04:52:35 | locutox | best looking ipod that will ever be made |
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| 04:53:47 | ze | i see 2 different looking things labled the same |
| 04:54:13 | ze | one with round corners and square edges and one with round edges and square corners |
| 04:54:16 | ze | heh |
| 04:55:51 | ze | http://www.9final.com/computer/images/products/mp3/ipod/nano/nano_black_8g_2.jpg is ugly |
| 04:56:08 | ze | http://www.9final.com/computer/images/products/mp3/ipod/nano/nano_black_8g_1.jpg isn't bad though, the glass coffee table kind :p |
| 04:56:23 | * | scorche coughs |
| 04:57:02 | locutox | ah yeah the 1 is nice:D |
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| 04:58:15 | __sean | is a channel admin on or someone who knows about logbot on? |
| 04:58:26 | Mouser_X | Most likely. |
| 04:58:33 | locutox | Mouser_X: tinysid sounds very weird on some tracks:P |
| 04:58:50 | Mouser_X | Like I said, SID support is very poor. |
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| 05:41:13 | allele | okay, I have my program set up where it gets rb->button_get(true) sets it to a variable |
| 05:41:45 | allele | then ther is a switch that checks for each button used in the game, but the program won't do a cycle unless a button is pressed |
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| 05:45:45 | allele | any ideas how to remedy this? |
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| 05:54:59 | psycho_maniac | allele: i cannot help you but i hope you stay here to get this problem resolved. more devs will be here in a couple hours. hopefully they read the logs ;) |
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| 05:59:43 | Mouser_X | Most of them do read the logs. |
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| 06:00:12 | allele | I may have figured it out, trying setting key to rb->button_status |
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| 06:37:57 | allele | okay, got my program running fine now |
| 06:38:37 | allele | in fact better than fine, app detects not only when a button is pressed, but as long as it is held it is detected and runs MUCH faster than it did on ipodlinux |
| 06:43:31 | allele | cheers all around :D |
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| 07:23:45 | briantumor | hey |
| 07:24:10 | briantumor | where's the wiki page for converting videos to the the resolution? |
| 07:24:23 | briantumor | *resolution for specific players |
| 07:26:02 | Mouser_X | PluginMpegplayer |
| 07:26:15 | Mouser_X | It's either that, or PluginMpegPlayer |
| 07:26:42 | briantumor | thanks :) |
| 07:26:58 | Mouser_X | NP |
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| 09:09:25 | ddalton | does anyone know what I need to include so I can use rbspeex? |
| 09:09:45 | safetydan | ddalton, what do you mean include? |
| 09:10:09 | ddalton | safetydan: what file. When I run my script it says rbspeex command not found. |
| 09:10:25 | ddalton | I am modifying one from using lame to using rbspeex |
| 09:10:46 | safetydan | ddalton, you need to build the tool |
| 09:11:09 | ddalton | oh |
| 09:12:23 | pixelma | (I hope Llorean reads the logs.) I went through th complete fonts browser, chose all of them one by one and did _not- have any of the problems he described |
| 09:12:39 | pixelma | on the c200 I mean |
| 09:12:54 | ddalton | how do I build it? And I guess put it in my path? |
| 09:13:05 | safetydan | ddalton, it should be built as part of a normal rockbox build |
| 09:13:52 | ddalton | So how do I fix my problem? Run my script from the rbspeex directory? |
| 09:13:57 | ddalton | rbspeex |
| 09:15:16 | ddalton | safetydan: so what encoder should I say in my script? Is it "rbspeex" and where do I place the script |
| 09:16:25 | safetydan | ddalton, any reason you're not using the existing voice scripts in Rockbox? |
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| 09:16:43 | ddalton | safetydan: I had this one. And didn't think there was one to generate .talk clips? |
| 09:17:43 | safetydan | ddalton, voice.pl should generate .talk clips |
| 09:18:38 | ddalton | safetydan: oh. How do I run it on /media/iriver with espeak and english as my language? |
| 09:20:16 | safetydan | ddalton, sorry I'm not overly familiar with the voice clip generation stuff |
| 09:20:31 | ddalton | ok then thanks for the help anyway better go for dinner. |
| 09:21:18 | safetydan | ddalton, have you read this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto#Automated_generation_of_talk_cli |
| 09:21:44 | safetydan | or are you trying to use Linux to generate the clips? |
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| 10:01:11 | ddalton | safetydan: um well Im on linux... |
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| 10:02:58 | ddalton | safetydan: If you know how I call the rbspeex encoder then that will fix my problem. |
| 10:03:10 | ddalton | my script works but it uses lame |
| 10:03:23 | ddalton | so I have modified it to use rbspeex but I get unknown command rbspeex |
| 10:03:29 | ddalton | when I run it |
| 10:07:07 | Mouser_X | It sounds like you need to compile the rbspeex program. |
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| 10:07:26 | Mouser_X | I *think* that's in the "tools" directory, but I really don't know. |
| 10:07:39 | ddalton | yes. How? and where do I place the executable /bin/ for example so its in my path? |
| 10:07:45 | Mouser_X | (The "tools" of your Rockbox SVN.) |
| 10:07:54 | ddalton | how do I build it |
| 10:08:27 | Mouser_X | Have you tried "tools\rbspeex" ? |
| 10:08:42 | Mouser_X | Or, have you tried going to "tools\rbspeex\" ? |
| 10:08:51 | ddalton | \? why do I use \? |
| 10:09:01 | ddalton | do you mean /? |
| 10:09:13 | Mouser_X | Whatever. I've never used Linux. |
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| 10:10:47 | Mouser_X | In other words, use whatever is used to seperate directories in Linux. In windows, it's "\" If it's "/" in Linux, use that. |
| 10:11:01 | ddalton | Mouser_X: I have a object file. Is that what they are? .o |
| 10:11:09 | ddalton | now what do I do? |
| 10:11:39 | Mouser_X | Where are you? I *think* you either type "make" or "make rbspeex" but this is mostly guessing here. |
| 10:12:28 | Mouser_X | It's entirely possible that there's an additional step that I don't know about. |
| 10:12:36 | ddalton | make links it nothing else works. So what do I do with the file that has been linked? |
| 10:13:02 | Mouser_X | Build it? How do you build/compile stuff in Linux? |
| 10:13:18 | ddalton | same way as vmware or whatever you have... |
| 10:13:26 | ddalton | but Im just running the make file... |
| 10:13:35 | Mouser_X | Really, I don't know. If you somehow got it working, then that'd be amazing, since I don't know what I'm telling you. |
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| 10:13:45 | ddalton | and would expect an executable but I only get a .o file |
| 10:13:46 | JamminR | hi all |
| 10:14:01 | Mouser_X | All I've ever done is build Rockbox, and that was in cygwin. Beyond that, I really don't know. |
| 10:14:12 | ddalton | gcc doesn't like it either... but thats because I did it wrong... |
| 10:15:50 | Mouser_X | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt |
| 10:16:06 | ddalton | um I don |
| 10:16:07 | Mouser_X | Maybe if you download that (for Linux), it would have the rbspeex application? |
| 10:16:18 | ddalton | don't have a gui but illl look |
| 10:16:20 | ddalton | ill |
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| 10:17:31 | JamminR | I'm looking around in the wiki now, but I have a noob question... my wife likes the idea of plugins, but, doesn't like the mostly text interface of the Rockbox app. Is there a theme/cfg options that makes it iconish like the original Sandisk e250 its currently on? |
| 10:18:04 | scorche | you can specify iconsets and change themes, but it will still ultimately be "text-based" |
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| 10:19:01 | JamminR | fah well. figured as much. she's an artist, I'm a geek. |
| 10:19:05 | JamminR | -f |
| 10:20:22 | Mouser_X | The reason for this is because Rockbox was originally made for text-display-only screens. It's grown from that, but it still holds itself pretty close to its roots. |
| 10:20:35 | Mouser_X | (This is, according to what I've understood.) |
| 10:21:05 | JamminR | seems right. its mini *nix |
| 10:21:28 | Mouser_X | Also, the developers prefer not to "bloat" the code with too much graphical content. KISS, as they say. |
| 10:22:00 | safetydan | JamminR, it's not related to Linux (or Unix) in apart from have some posixish functions in the core |
| 10:22:33 | JamminR | I have vision issues. personally, I like the text on a good contrast screen...icons/images don't do much for me as I normally can't tell the detail |
| 10:22:41 | JamminR | wife likes 'pretty' though |
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| 10:23:40 | Mouser_X | Have you looked at the WPS page for the Sansa e200? |
| 10:23:48 | ddalton | safetydan: Any other ideas on my rbspeex issue? could I get a executable version of rbspeex already compiled? |
| 10:24:06 | Mouser_X | While it may not be all that's wanted, it's better than the defaults. |
| 10:24:46 | safetydan | ddalton, try cd'ing to tools/rbspeex and then typing "make" |
| 10:24:54 | JamminR | Mouser_X, I've installed several wps files. The playback isn't a big deal as much as the main menus are. The original e250 had images with text as a sideline |
| 10:25:03 | ddalton | I did and only got an o file |
| 10:25:03 | safetydan | ddalton, that should build rbspeexdec and rbspeexenc tools under the tools directory |
| 10:25:04 | Mouser_X | JamminR: Here's a page that has a few nice ones to choose from - http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=176x220x16 |
| 10:25:11 | JamminR | so, i'm trying to appease her |
| 10:25:26 | JamminR | ty |
| 10:25:58 | Mouser_X | Understandable. Some of those WPSs do *try* to be pretty. But no matter what you do, it's going to be mostly text based. |
| 10:26:33 | safetydan | ddalton, look in the tools directory now. there should be a rbspeexenc and a rbspeexdec file |
| 10:27:15 | JamminR | I'll tinker, let her play with mine. Perhaps she'll find a theme and wps on mine she likes and go from there. If not, she can borrow mine when she wants to play games |
| 10:27:40 | Mouser_X | Heh. You do know that Rockbox can dual-boot, right? |
| 10:27:56 | Mouser_X | She can stick to the OF, and then boot into Rockbox if she wants games. |
| 10:28:03 | JamminR | figured, since the original stuff is still there. just not read how to do it yet |
| 10:28:18 | Mouser_X | It's in the manual, but I haven't bothered looking... |
| 10:28:33 | JamminR | i'll tinker. I'm a good tinker'er |
| 10:28:39 | ddalton | I think its all there but no exe file... |
| 10:28:44 | * | Mouser_X doesn't plan on using the OF enough to bother with it. |
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| 10:29:11 | JamminR | ouch. amazing how fast 2gb fills |
| 10:29:31 | * | JamminR goes back and replans his music for the trip |
| 10:29:43 | JamminR | bye all. thanks for the info/assistance |
| 10:29:59 | Mouser_X | JamminR: One way to get into the OF is to have the player off, and then insert the USB cable (when attached to a PC). Once the cable is removed (safely), it'll go into the OF. |
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| 10:30:34 | linuxstb | ddalton: The rbspeexenc executable is created in the tools/ directory. |
| 10:30:36 | safetydan | ddalton, the files won't end in .exe |
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| 10:31:46 | ddalton | oh yes I see. This could work... |
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| 10:33:46 | ddalton | ok so what arguments do I give it? |
| 10:35:10 | linuxstb | Just run rbspeexenc without any arguments, and it will display the usage. |
| 10:35:59 | ddalton | segmentation falt on testwav.wav from espeak -w testwav.wav |
| 10:36:07 | ddalton | when running rbspeexenc |
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| 10:36:23 | ddalton | it doesn't like my wav files? |
| 10:36:34 | linuxstb | What command-line are you typing? |
| 10:36:56 | ddalton | linuxstb: I will just log on on my other box so I can cut and paste it. |
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| 10:38:13 | ddalton | ok it is: rbspeexenc -q 4 -c 10 ~/daniel.wav |
| 10:38:33 | ddalton | i just called it daniel.wav not sure why but thats all I could think of :-) |
| 10:38:39 | Domonoky | ddalton: you are missing the outp |
| 10:38:44 | Domonoky | output filenamr |
| 10:38:57 | ddalton | oh |
| 10:39:50 | ddalton | how do I specify that? |
| 10:40:34 | Domonoky | like rbspeexenc -q 4 -c 10 ~/daniel.wav ~/test.talk |
| 10:42:51 | ddalton | it just sits there and doesn't finish |
| 10:44:35 | ddalton | oh it worked. |
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| 10:47:06 | ddalton | whats the file extension now for talk clips? |
| 10:47:13 | ddalton | .wav.talk .mp3.talk etc? |
| 10:47:37 | * | Domonoky thinks its just .talk |
| 10:47:42 | Mouser_X | I thought it was "name.talk" |
| 10:47:52 | * | ddalton Double checks |
| 10:47:56 | Mouser_X | As in "speakthis.talk" |
| 10:55:35 | ddalton | you said it is just .talk what if I have fileone.mp3 and file1.wav? |
| 10:55:58 | ddalton | fileone.mp3 and fileone.wav |
| 10:57:57 | Mouser_X | Don't do that, then. :P |
| 10:58:21 | Mouser_X | All I've heard is *.talk for the file names. |
| 10:58:28 | ddalton | it used to be but im double checking now... |
| 10:59:09 | linuxstb | ddalton: Nothing should have changed about the filenames. |
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| 11:01:06 | ddalton | yay its .mp3.talk .extension.talk |
| 11:01:18 | ddalton | that will make my life a bit easier |
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| 11:28:54 | ddalton | thanks guys for the help. I put rbspeexenc or whatever in my path modified the script I got from Stephane Doyon to use rbspeex instead of lame and it is working great now. |
| 11:28:57 | ddalton | Thx |
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| 11:52:36 | birkenau | anyone here? |
| 11:53:38 | birkenau | having a bit of a problem with windows recognising my ipod after installing rockbox |
| 11:54:10 | gryzor | i think you need to boot on the original firmware to connect USB to it |
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| 11:59:16 | Mathiasdm | yep, hold down the menu and the select button to reboot, and keep holding it to boot into the original firmware |
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| 12:00:02 | birkenau | excellent, thanks |
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| 12:15:34 | linuxstb | Mathiasdm: Rebooting an ipod with MENU+SELECT isn't recommended - you should do a clean shutdown (holding the PLAY/PAUSE button). |
| 12:16:23 | Mathiasdm | oh, I'm sorry :-$ I thought menu+select was fine |
| 12:16:31 | Mathiasdm | damnit, now birkenau left already :-s |
| 12:16:56 | Mathiasdm | my apologies, linuxstb, and thanks for the info |
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| 12:17:26 | linuxstb | No harm should be done, it's just that Rockbox may not save any changes to settings if you reset with MENU+SELECT. |
| 12:18:15 | Mathiasdm | okay, good to know |
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| 12:19:04 | Mathiasdm | question: are there any plans to port the rockbox usb driver to ipodlinux? just out of curiosity |
| 12:19:17 | linuxstb | You would have to ask the ipodlinux devs |
| 12:20:01 | Mathiasdm | I'll do that, thanks |
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| 12:45:25 | webguest09 | can someone help me with some info on using rockbox with an ipod video please? |
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| 13:23:35 | pixelma | roolku: just seen your commit, I thought the pre conditions are there to make sure that the action is only triggering once to prevent an accidental repeat if you're holding the button(s) a bit too long? Not a 100% sure though... |
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| 13:29:29 | Lear | linuxstb: Are you aware of any newer ASF spec revision than 1.20.03? |
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| 13:29:53 | linuxstb | Lear: No, I don't use the official spec as it has a nasty license attached to it. |
| 13:30:14 | linuxstb | Lear: I think I've worked out how to identify DRM files though |
| 13:30:19 | Lear | Ah, well, just wondered if there might be any other types of encryption objects. |
| 13:30:28 | Lear | Me too, have some code I'm about to test... |
| 13:30:37 | linuxstb | I have some code I'm about to commit... |
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| 13:30:50 | linuxstb | Basically, just checking for the drmv2 object - are there more objects? |
| 13:31:07 | roolku | pixelma: they are, but in this case it meant you had to press the second key before the repeat kicks in - a very short time window |
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| 13:31:21 | linuxstb | Rockbox doesn't seem to like it if all the files in a playlist are rejected by the metadata parser though - it stays in the WPS with a "No file!" message. |
| 13:31:24 | Lear | I found two types of encryption objects (in the spec), one extended, one normal. Normal one was in the file I created. |
| 13:31:49 | roolku | pixelma: it has been working fine without pre-condition on the h120/h300 |
| 13:31:50 | Lear | I thought it was marked as bad (ERR! in playlist viewer)... |
| 13:31:50 | linuxstb | The one I'm checking for is 298ae614-2622-4c17-b935-dae07ee9289c |
| 13:32:08 | linuxstb | Lear: Yes, but if _all_ the files are bad, Rockbox doesn't seem to react to that. |
| 13:32:13 | Lear | That's the extended one, and not found in my test file... |
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| 13:32:58 | linuxstb | ffmpeg now has code for decrypting these files... |
| 13:33:34 | pixelma | roolku: ok, haven't tried (probably can't). Just wanted to know if you are aware, that's all :) |
| 13:33:59 | Lear | linuxstb: Decrypt, as in breaking, or do you have to provide a key of some sort? |
| 13:34:32 | linuxstb | Yes, you need the key. |
| 13:34:55 | linuxstb | Which I would assume is on the device somewhere... |
| 13:35:23 | Lear | Ok, my code seems to work on my test file... |
| 13:36:08 | linuxstb | Here's my diff - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/asf.diff |
| 13:37:00 | roolku | pixelma: you have a sansa I believe? Try using power-right/left to directory skip (need to start from the file browser) |
| 13:37:33 | Lear | linuxstb: Similar to mine. Different names, and I check for two types (drmv1 too, basically). |
| 13:38:44 | Lear | That guid is 2211b3fb-bd23-11d2-b4b700a0c955fc6e btw. |
| 13:40:43 | pixelma | roolku: <newbie question>Do i need to have the aut-change directory option set for this?</newbie question> I have a Sansa c200 btw, but it looks like it has the same mapping for these actions. |
| 13:40:56 | pixelma | *auto-change too |
| 13:41:21 | linuxstb | Lear: I'll let you commit then. |
| 13:41:25 | roolku | pixelma: from reading the code I don't think so (it is manual skip) |
| 13:41:39 | Lear | Ok, will do. |
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| 13:43:29 | linuxstb | Lear: Do you have any idea how much RAM the AAC codec is using? I'm thinking about where we can store the seektable-related information - i.e. could we store it in the main 512KB codec buffer, rather than the current malloc buffer? |
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| 13:45:32 | pixelma | roolku: I have no problem skipping to the next/previous directory, just need to be sure I pressed power before (which is easy). I only dislike the use of the power button in general there because it's easy to hold it a bit too long there. |
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| 13:47:01 | Lear | linuxstb: Seek tables can be big though, at least in "raw" format. We're talking about one entry per frame (or 1024 samples, I think), plus some extra tables that can be fairly big too. |
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| 13:47:47 | roolku | pixelma: I guess you are very nimble. :) Leave a little time between pressing the power button and the right button. Also try skipping two directories in a row without letting go of the power button |
| 13:47:48 | Lear | Currently the malloc buffer is enough for 1-2 hours of AAC, unless we can compress the seek table. And then there are mallocs in the codec itself... |
| 13:48:08 | Lear | (Compress as in merge frame size entries.) |
| 13:48:29 | linuxstb | I think preglow was planning on looking into the mallocs in the codec itself - he asked me to look at the mp4 stuff. |
| 13:49:33 | linuxstb | You probably saw I did the easy ones, but the seektable looks problematic... |
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| 13:51:04 | Lear | Yes, the code for reading those is a little tricky to get right. Doable, if the decoder doesn't need exact frame size up front (i.e., is happy to get at least the size of the current frame). |
| 13:51:17 | pixelma | roolku: the used buttons are quite close on the c200 keypad and surely I don't expect it to skip two directories in a row without letting go of the power button (and I really think that it is better because I first want to see what the next directory is... and the major problem of keeping the power button pressed here is that power off kicks in... |
| 13:52:04 | roolku | pixelma: yep, the latter can be a real bummer. :) |
| 13:53:00 | linuxstb | Lear: Yes, the codec shouldn't care if you pass more data than is needed. |
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| 14:02:55 | Lear | linuxstb: Just tested passing in framesize*2 and use bytesconsumed to advance the buffer, and it seems to work fine. |
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| 14:07:32 | linuxstb | Lear: Where does framesize come from? |
| 14:07:58 | Lear | The "seek table", or rather, frame size table... |
| 14:09:13 | Lear | That would be sample_byte_size in demux_res_t. |
| 14:10:08 | Lear | Or the stsz box. |
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| 14:44:15 | hanseatic | hello people |
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| 14:45:52 | hanseatic | i want to buy a player, thinking of a cowon x5 vs a sansa e280 |
| 14:47:01 | hanseatic | anyone has an advice, pros and cons regarding manufacture quality and rockbox compatibility? |
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| 14:47:59 | desowin | sansas are cheap nowadays, but there's v2 (which doesn't work with rockbox) of sansa out |
| 14:48:35 | hanseatic | how do i know it's a v2? |
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| 14:49:55 | hanseatic | "of sansa out"? |
| 14:50:03 | desowin | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html |
| 14:50:19 | desowin | I meant "sansa's v2 are out" |
| 14:51:13 | desowin | "Rockbox doesn't function on the v2 models. They can be spotted by the line "Supports Audible audio file formats" on the packaging, or "v2" on the back of the player itself." |
| 14:52:48 | hanseatic | out of stock at sandisk... but what i can see at ebay.de does not say anything about v2... some about sansa clip though |
| 14:52:57 | hanseatic | but product name does differ? |
| 14:53:13 | linuxstb | The "clip" is a completely different model. |
| 14:53:21 | hanseatic | k.. |
| 14:54:21 | hanseatic | http://cgi.ebay.de/SanDisk-Sansa-e280-Tragbarer-MP3-Player-8-GB-schwarz_W0QQitemZ300177218594QQihZ020QQcategoryZ8267QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 14:54:31 | hanseatic | sorry, it's german :/ |
| 14:55:04 | hanseatic | any opinions about the cowon x5? |
| 14:55:31 | desowin | hanseatic: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
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| 14:56:01 | hanseatic | desowin: i studied that, thanx. |
| 14:56:08 | linuxstb | hanseatic: Do you want FM radio? You can buy v1 e280s either with or without FM tuners. |
| 14:56:19 | PaulJam | hanseatic: you could contact the seller and ask. |
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| 14:56:57 | * | PaulJam would prefer the x5 because of storage capacity. |
| 14:57:01 | hanseatic | the x5 apperently has 16 MB ram, the sansa 32. does this affect rockbox/plugin usability somehow? |
| 14:57:16 | linuxstb | Not at all. |
| 14:57:30 | hanseatic | i would buy the tuner version |
| 14:58:02 | linuxstb | hanseatic: I just mentioned that because that e280 on ebay doesn't seem to have FM radio (but my German is very poor...) |
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| 14:58:38 | PaulJam | midi curretnly doesn't work on x5 because of the limited ram iirc. |
| 14:59:03 | hanseatic | i am not sure any more, but i think i've read, that the sansa has open usb ports, open in terms of the device housing, so that dirt and dust can easily get under the display? any experiences here? |
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| 14:59:49 | hanseatic | linux the seller offers to enable the fm tuner for 10 or 15 euro more ;o) |
| 14:59:54 | n1s | PaulJam: I think that is incorrect, only midi file that need to load more than audiobuf patches will fail but most midis don't need more than about 5-6 megs |
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| 15:00:25 | pixelma | linuxstb: at the end of the offer you'll find a notice that you could also by a radio version for 10 euro extra |
| 15:00:51 | pixelma | *buy |
| 15:01:13 | pixelma | PaulJam: midi works on M5/X5 |
| 15:01:14 | PaulJam | n1s: ok, sorry. i thought i had read that somewhere. |
| 15:01:47 | pixelma | LinusN fixed it in spring |
| 15:03:18 | hanseatic | sorry, not the sansa, the x5 would be sensitive to dust/dirt? |
| 15:04:20 | hanseatic | totally different issue: is it at all possible to exchange the hard disk of the x5 to a bigger one? |
| 15:04:37 | hanseatic | sorry if i am getting off topic here |
| 15:04:46 | linuxstb | hanseatic: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
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| 15:04:54 | hanseatic | thnx |
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| 15:07:30 | hanseatic | I see, so there is no capacity limit for the used fs-driver in the original firmware, or some technology cowon uses to prevent you from exchanging the hd |
| 15:08:34 | pixelma | hmm... one should mention on that page that it is possible to place a dual platter drive in the X5/M5L models when sacrificing the second battery but I'm undecided where it should go... |
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| 15:10:53 | linuxstb | pixelma: You could put it as a note in the Cowon section - similar to the notes about the Gigabeats. |
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| 15:13:03 | pixelma | good idea, will do |
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| 15:22:42 | hanseatic | just bought those players |
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| 15:23:51 | senab | does %s still need a %m to use a margin? |
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| 15:24:15 | senab | because i've tried %s|21| and getting nothing |
| 15:24:34 | hanseatic | ebay.de 300177218594 and 230196326312 |
| 15:25:52 | senab | mine only cost me £70 anyway (about 110 euro) |
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| 15:30:03 | linuxstb | senab: No, that change to %s was reverted almost immediately. |
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| 15:30:13 | pixelma | senab: as I understand it, only %m|xx| sets the margin, %s should still be a simple 'line should scroll' tag. |
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| 15:32:10 | senab | ahhh, thanks linuxstb, must have missed the commit description |
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| 15:34:46 | pixelma | Bagder: around by any chance? |
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| 15:43:41 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
| 15:44:00 | bluebrother | hello |
| 15:44:03 | mrkiko | Hi all! Can someone tell me how can I manually ad to my config.cfg a line who selects a recording dir? |
| 15:44:12 | mrkiko | I can't do this obviously from the UI |
| 15:45:13 | linuxstb | Browse to a folder in the file browser, hold SELECT until the context menu comes up, then select "set as recording directory" |
| 15:46:25 | pixelma | should be "long NAVI" on H300 |
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| 15:52:38 | bluebrother | Buschel: still planning to come to Karlsruhe next week? |
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| 16:16:41 | hanseatic | somewhere i read that it is possible to dual boot the iaudio x5, but i cannot find any doc about this |
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| 16:19:21 | linuxstb | hanseatic: Rockbox doesn't officially dual-boot on the x5. There's a third-party patch to do it, but you'll have to look elsewhere for it (I'm not sure where). |
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| 16:20:25 | hanseatic | thnx, linuxstb |
| 16:20:42 | hanseatic | just bought both the x5 and the e280 |
| 16:20:59 | linuxstb | Yes, so I saw... |
| 16:21:14 | hanseatic | i'll see which one is more usable |
| 16:21:33 | hanseatic | even 4 non techies such as my girlfriend |
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| 16:31:42 | * | moos is happy with his X5 since more than 2 years now ;) |
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| 16:33:51 | hanseatic | is there anything like a dictd and client for rockbox to make use of freedict databases? |
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| 16:37:41 | PaulJam_ | there is a patch for that on flyspray |
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| 16:40:10 | PaulJam_ | maybe i'm wrong. the patch i was thinking of uses stardict dictionaries. |
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| 16:59:54 | hanseatic | stardict does read freedict datasets afaik |
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| 17:03:47 | PaulJam_ | ah, you're right. |
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| 17:29:18 | andrea2 | hi all is there someone that is hacking around creative zenn 4GB/8GB... ? |
| 17:31:03 | markun | andrea2: there is very little talk about the Creatives in here |
| 17:31:12 | markun | mostly in the forums I think |
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| 17:33:19 | andrea2 | ah... ok... thank you |
| 17:34:00 | markun | are you a programmer? |
| 17:34:20 | markun | jhulst is the only creative guy in here that I know of |
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| 17:34:41 | andrea2 | yes, but I don't have much experience with mp3.... |
| 17:35:29 | andrea2 | I've done some experiments with my new zen... |
| 17:36:17 | andrea2 | for what I've seen most information about the "zen vision" series apply directly to my zen |
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| 17:37:44 | markun | andrea2: you could collect all the info about your player in thwe wiki if you want |
| 17:37:56 | markun | would help anyone wanting to port rockbox to it |
| 17:38:31 | andrea2 | yes I read about it, but I can't open my zen ;) |
| 17:39:06 | andrea2 | and my english is not perfect |
| 17:40:19 | markun | why can't you open it? Or are you a bit afraid to do it? |
| 17:40:28 | andrea2 | yes ;) |
| 17:40:42 | markun | :) |
| 17:40:58 | andrea2 | but do you think that maybe of some general interest that I ported the windows firmware extractor to linux |
| 17:40:59 | markun | I can imagine, but I've opened players so many times that I got over it |
| 17:41:16 | markun | sure, that would interest people |
| 17:41:17 | andrea2 | and flashed it's firmware reliabily |
| 17:41:22 | markun | cool |
| 17:41:27 | markun | that's very good news |
| 17:41:48 | andrea2 | try to modify it, and adapt with the "null fixer" but with no luck |
| 17:42:13 | andrea2 | I think that they have changed they HMAC key... but I don't kno how to find the new one |
| 17:42:43 | markun | you could email the guy who found it and ask for help perhaps |
| 17:43:18 | andrea2 | ah about opening my mp3, no I'm not afraid, but it will void my warranty (my zen is just 1 month old...) |
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| 17:57:36 | Soap | once I have build the sim, and have it up and running, is there anything I can delete out of the directory I built it in w/o preventing it from running? |
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| 17:59:05 | PaulJam_ | i think you only need the archos dir, the rockboxui binary and maybe the background bitmap. |
| 17:59:06 | linuxstb | I think you just need rockboxui and the archos directory. (plus the background .bmp if you use it). |
| 17:59:13 | * | linuxstb too slow... |
| 17:59:18 | Soap | thank you both |
| 17:59:31 | Soap | this computer is running off a 4GB flashdrive, and every meg counts. |
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| 18:02:59 | maxkelley | ooh, interesting. |
| 18:03:12 | JamminR | hi all. I've used the rockbox utility to install bootloader and rockbox, and then used it to install all of the themes listed within it. Now that I've viewed/tested the rockbox themes, there are several I wish to remove...is there a 'uninstaller' for themes, or must I go into the cfg of each one I want removed and remove the non-shared icons/images? |
| 18:03:13 | maxkelley | is it faster or slower than a HDD based computer? |
| 18:05:20 | Domonoky | JamminR: try the unistall rockbox routine in rbutilt |
| 18:05:49 | Domonoky | you can select what you want to uninstall..:-) |
| 18:05:55 | Mouser_X | JamminR: Removing themes is *usually* fairly easy. Specifically, open one of the themes *.ZIP up, and look where it puts its data. Once you know where the data resides, you should be able to remove any themes you no longer want. |
| 18:06:23 | Mouser_X | Domonoky: Ah, I did not know that. I've never used RButil... |
| 18:06:24 | Domonoky | if you used rbutil to install the theme, rbutil can also remove it again.. |
| 18:06:30 | JamminR | Oh, Domonoky, there is the answer. nice |
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| 18:06:46 | JamminR | ty. And Mouser_X, yeah, I know, but I'm lazy :) |
| 18:06:53 | * | Domonoky has coded this feature, so he knows .. :-) |
| 18:06:59 | Mouser_X | Awesome. |
| 18:08:29 | JamminR | Domonoky (or anyone) .. during the rbutilt rockbox setup, it asked if I wanted to install it to the player...is that a version that would run -on- the player, or just sit there to be used on other computers? |
| 18:08:50 | PaulJam_ | maybe the description could be more obvious. for me "Uninstall Rockbox form your audio player." sounds like a complete uninstallation. |
| 18:09:05 | Domonoky | the second option, and i dont know if it really works at moment.. :-) |
| 18:09:17 | JamminR | heh, ok |
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| 18:09:53 | Domonoky | feel free to help out with rbutil if you can-... my time is very limited .. |
| 18:10:08 | PaulJam_ | sorry, i can't. |
| 18:10:29 | * | JamminR looks in the request site for 'theme/wps/plugin/extras' remover/file manager plugin |
| 18:10:56 | Mouser_X | Domonoky: What about WPSs that require a custom build? How are those handled by RButil? |
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| 18:11:32 | Nico_P | linuxstb: has there been any progress on interrupts for the S recently? |
| 18:11:41 | Domonoky | the website which delivers the themes, should ignore them for rbutil.. otherwise you have to read the description.. :-) |
| 18:11:49 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 18:12:44 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I thought you were the only one working on it ;) |
| 18:13:19 | Nico_P | linuxstb: haha, no, I kinda dropped it because I don't have the skills and not much time ATM... I thought aliask was working on it though |
| 18:15:23 | JamminR | oh wow. forgot to turn off player, windows detected 'Rockbox media player' instead of mass storage device |
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| 18:16:03 | JamminR | gee..what kind of world is this...no MS drivers for it found. harumf <sarcasm> |
| 18:16:28 | Mouser_X | JamminR: Yes, it does that for charging. The ability to transfer data though is not yet implemented. |
| 18:17:00 | JamminR | right, i was reading about that online |
| 18:17:22 | Mouser_X | Ah. Looking at the manual then? |
| 18:17:40 | JamminR | FAQs, wiki, here and there |
| 18:17:43 | JamminR | learning as I go |
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| 18:18:48 | JamminR | I see in the FAQ that speaker docks with control buttons don't yet work.... Mouser_X, didn't you mention last night the ability to have the RB dual boot? If I turned the player off before docking...would it use original firm? |
| 18:18:52 | Mouser_X | The manual is the recommended source of information. Also, it's pretty easy to pick up on. Really, you can learn a lot just by simply skimming it, and looking at the parts that interest you. |
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| 18:21:11 | Mouser_X | JamminR: I don't know if it would or not. Personally, I'd assume that it would not reboot to the OF. Very little is known about the serial ports of most of the players that Rockbox runs on (this is according to my understanding). Thus, if you plugged into a dock, I doubt RB would be able to realize that it's plugged in. I'm really not sure though, since I have no accessories. |
| 18:21:34 | JamminR | ok |
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| 18:22:20 | JamminR | this is another determination on whether to install RB on my wife's player. I have stocking stuffers for her for her player, and one of them is a speaker dock |
| 18:22:56 | Lear | linuxstb: Have you started doing anything about the seek table stuff in AAC? |
| 18:23:59 | Mouser_X | *Some* speaker docks work, but I really don't know which ones. Is this an accessory specifically for the Sansa, or will it work for other players? There's a wiki page (I don't know what it's called) about what iPod accessories work with Rockbox, and which ones don't. |
| 18:25:23 | JamminR | Mouser_X -ok. i'll look. thanks. hadn't gotten there yet |
| 18:25:40 | Mouser_X | IpodAccessories <−− Name? |
| 18:25:50 | JamminR | hmm. my sansa locked. anyone know the 'reboot/reset' key combo? |
| 18:26:06 | Mouser_X | Try holding "Power" for 20-30 seconds. |
| 18:26:28 | Mouser_X | (It took mine 10-20 seconds, but 30 seconds to be on the safe side.) |
| 18:27:09 | JamminR | heh. I'd tried it disconnected from USB for 20-30 already. Connected it back up. Windows said 'unknown device' held power button again, went off in 10 |
| 18:27:40 | Mouser_X | Huh. What were you doing when it locked up? |
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| 18:28:39 | JamminR | using windows to 'remove device' - this is after I'd connected it with it turned on, and windows had detected 'rockbox media player' |
| 18:28:45 | JamminR | fluke probably |
| 18:28:58 | JamminR | blue band lit up...and it locked there |
| 18:29:46 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. I just wondered, since it can help to know what problems there are. I've never tried connecting my e250 while running Rockbox. |
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| 18:30:37 | JamminR | seemed that if it locked while usb was connected, it preferred to have its power button held to reset it while connected |
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| 18:32:51 | JamminR | oh. rbutil uninstall is nice about listing the themes |
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| 18:33:42 | countrymonkey | | |
| 18:33:50 | Mouser_X | That's nice. I probably ought to try it sometime. |
| 18:34:44 | countrymonkey | How do you specify a specific voice to use with sapi5 under cygwin? |
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| 18:36:42 | Mouser_X | countrymonkey: I don't know. I think Calcipher did that awhile back. Early to mid November. Try searching the IRC logs. Taht might help if on one else answers. |
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| 18:39:34 | stripwax | countrymonkey - when you configure, you can enter your SAPI options (voice=Blah) |
| 18:40:05 | stripwax | or 'voice=blah blah' (with the single-quotes) if the voice name has spaces |
| 18:41:46 | countrymonkey | You mean "'" or """ |
| 18:41:59 | Klevi | countrymonkey: you got an junked Archos player and put it together?? |
| 18:42:34 | countrymonkey | Still trying to figure this one out. I'd love to. Ebay I havn't had much success. |
| 18:42:49 | Klevi | then whatre you using? |
| 18:42:56 | Klevi | *what player* |
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| 18:43:15 | countrymonkey | My current target, an ipod. These are 2 unrelated issues. |
| 18:43:22 | Klevi | ah ok |
| 18:43:38 | saratoga | is it just me or does sigmatel have GPLed drivers up for download on their website |
| 18:43:43 | saratoga | http://linux.sigmatel.com/linuxbsp/ |
| 18:43:48 | countrymonkey | Anyway, is it the ' character or the " that I need to use? My voice name is inclosed in spaces. |
| 18:44:49 | Klevi | Hey.. is it possible to make your own .voice file.. that detects certain names given text. and says the name you give it, rather than spelling it out |
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| 18:45:33 | Mouser_X | countrymonkey: Use the ' mark. |
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| 18:49:13 | stripwax | 'voice=blah blah' using single quotes as I said |
| 18:49:19 | davidfg4 | Klevi: see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto |
| 18:50:04 | davidfg4 | especially the sections "Voiced names for directories and files" and " Automated generation of .talk clips" |
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| 19:06:43 | JamminR | oh. i'm still here. bye all. thanks to Mouser_X and Domonoky for the assist |
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| 19:13:17 | guest946 | Hey, I have a bit of a problem with rockbox... some files in the database come up twice... when there is only one copy of that file on the ipod and there's no iTunes stuff. |
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| 19:14:35 | guest946 | the build is a few weeks old. |
| 19:16:41 | guest946 | ah... rebuilding the database did the trick |
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| 19:36:57 | mud-rb | so, when i plug in my e200, the screen almost instantly goes black and the wheel light stays on permanently. is this what it's supposed to do? is it charging? there's no way to get it to do anything without powering it down (20 second hold on 'power') |
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| 19:38:46 | desowin | current usb stack is unfinished, for now, just reboot into OF if you want to use disk access |
| 19:39:00 | desowin | it'll get working one day |
| 19:39:23 | mud-rb | okay, thanks |
| 19:39:37 | mud-rb | (i knew disk access wasn't working, i thought charging was) |
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| 20:10:48 | rbb | hi |
| 20:11:32 | krazykit | hello |
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| 20:12:00 | rbb | my ipod crashed after installing a ne rockbox theme |
| 20:12:15 | rbb | now it won't boot |
| 20:15:15 | rbb | i read the apple instructions... It works again... |
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| 20:23:02 | Klevi | is it possible to drop the brightness in the LCD display for Mpeg player? |
| 20:23:35 | bobrules | I would like that too |
| 20:24:19 | Klevi | white is overdone.. a bit on the screen |
| 20:24:40 | n1s | Klevi: if your player has an lcd brightness setting, you could use that... |
| 20:24:43 | bobrules | just a brightness setting would be fine |
| 20:24:59 | n1s | no need to duplicate it in mpegplayer IMHO |
| 20:25:02 | Klevi | Sansa c200 |
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| 20:28:59 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I'm not sure I'm directing this at the right person. There's a question in the forums as to why video dithering is only implemented on some hardware? |
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| 20:34:32 | n1s | Llorean: I would go with a "Because no one did it" answer to that question... |
| 20:34:53 | Llorean | n1s: Well the question is more, "why is the code device specific" |
| 20:35:06 | Llorean | Seems to me dithering would be something done more or less on the software side of things |
| 20:35:24 | Klevi | Dithering doesnt seem to make a difference on my player.. |
| 20:35:45 | Llorean | Klevi: It makes more difference the lower quality your file, generally. |
| 20:35:52 | Llorean | If I understand correctly |
| 20:35:55 | Klevi | ah. |
| 20:36:11 | Klevi | the things I playback are usually highish quality |
| 20:36:12 | n1s | Llorean: because it's done in the lcd driver like the yuv conversion so a device specific implementation is needed, i guess this is because of efficency |
| 20:36:18 | Klevi | like a DVD rip |
| 20:36:35 | n1s | for example http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=15246 |
| 20:36:54 | Llorean | n1s: Ah, I assumed something more or less like that. I was just curious for details before I responded "It's done in driver code, rather than apps code, so it has to be done for each player individually by someone who knows that player." |
| 20:37:20 | Llorean | Ah, so the driver just does the dithering, and all mpegplayer does is say "Hey, dither me", meaning it's in place for any future uses too? |
| 20:37:57 | Klevi | Llorean: Do you any idea though, why playback seeking causes glitches / is slow / crashes my player? |
| 20:38:27 | Llorean | Klevi: "is slow"? |
| 20:38:28 | Klevi | or trying to switch between tracks? |
| 20:38:42 | Klevi | Yeah, it takes like... three seconds or so to actually switch |
| 20:38:48 | Klevi | Delayed reaction |
| 20:38:50 | Nico_P | Klevi: do you have an up to date build? |
| 20:38:53 | Klevi | Yeah. |
| 20:38:56 | Llorean | Seeking isn't the same as switching songs... |
| 20:39:09 | Nico_P | Klevi: what rev. number? |
| 20:39:12 | Klevi | wel, im saying both seeking and switching tracks does the same thing |
| 20:39:13 | Llorean | There's something funky up with my c200 too |
| 20:39:20 | Llorean | Though I'm not sure if it's a device fault or what |
| 20:39:22 | Llorean | Not with playback though |
| 20:39:37 | Llorean | If I change fonts I can make it corrupt the disk. =/ |
| 20:39:54 | Klevi | version r15846-071112 |
| 20:40:05 | Llorean | Klevi: That's quite old |
| 20:40:10 | Klevi | You cant be serious |
| 20:40:11 | linuxstb_ | Lear: No, I'm not looking at the mp4 seektable stuff. If you change it,. don't forget alac as well... |
| 20:40:13 | Llorean | Klevi: You really, really shouldn't bring things up if your version isn't "now" |
| 20:40:14 | Klevi | I got it last week! |
| 20:40:25 | Klevi | lmao.. my bad |
| 20:40:28 | Nico_P | Klevi: last week is too long ago ;) |
| 20:40:30 | Klevi | I didnt realize it was ol |
| 20:40:31 | Llorean | Klevi: 07 = 2007, 11 = November, 12 = 12th. That's more than a week ago. |
| 20:40:31 | Klevi | d |
| 20:40:41 | Llorean | That's from November 12th |
| 20:40:41 | Klevi | well last week ish... |
| 20:40:49 | Klevi | wait |
| 20:40:51 | Klevi | how |
| 20:40:51 | Llorean | "Last week ish" meaning 2 and a half weeks? |
| 20:41:11 | Klevi | I havent HAD my player for2 and a jalf weeks |
| 20:41:16 | Klevi | *half |
| 20:41:27 | Klevi | I just got it three days ago |
| 20:41:29 | Llorean | Did you use the "Current Build" link? |
| 20:41:32 | Klevi | Yeah |
| 20:41:36 | Klevi | Like always |
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| 20:41:55 | Llorean | "Like Always"? I thought you've only had it three days... |
| 20:42:01 | Klevi | I'll redownload |
| 20:42:12 | Klevi | No as in, like I always used to before my sansa bricked |
| 20:42:45 | n1s | r15846 was committed on nov 29 so that rev/date number combo is weird |
| 20:42:58 | * | Nico_P was going to say the same |
| 20:43:07 | Llorean | Maybe the date is off on one of the buildservers? |
| 20:43:34 | * | Klevi looked in system ._. |
| 20:44:36 | Klevi | Anyway I redownloaded now. |
| 20:44:49 | Nico_P | there seem to be quite a few reports of slowness though, there probably is something to fix in playback, but it doesn't seem to be very consistent |
| 20:46:02 | Klevi | 0.o |
| 20:46:07 | Klevi | I still have the same version! |
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| 20:46:53 | Klevi | Okay im not being stupid am I |
| 20:46:55 | Klevi | http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 20:47:00 | Klevi | I do go there to get the newest |
| 20:47:02 | Klevi | ? |
| 20:47:05 | Llorean | Klevi: I said "current build" first off. |
| 20:47:17 | Llorean | That's the daily build page. Have you tried clicking the Current Build link? |
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| 20:48:00 | Llorean | Second, it says the latest on that page is r1865, which isn't the 1846 you're reporting. So even if that were the correct page, evidence suggests if your version number isn't changing, you're not copying it over right |
| 20:48:03 | linuxstb | saratoga: Are you around? |
| 20:49:26 | Klevi | So its build.rockbox.org |
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| 20:52:13 | Klevi | is -0712 any newer..? |
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| 20:55:16 | Lear | linuxstb: Hard to avoid, since both call alac_seek... |
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| 21:00:27 | Lear | But libalac doesn't seem to return number of bytes consumed, though it should be fairly easy to add. |
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| 21:03:51 | Klevi | ooo rockbox, while playing music doesnt switch to USB mode anymore? I like. |
| 21:04:11 | Nico_P | Klevi: are things better now? |
| 21:04:22 | Klevi | No |
| 21:04:26 | saratoga | linuxstb: yes for a minute |
| 21:04:30 | Klevi | I still have the same glitch |
| 21:04:31 | Nico_P | hmm |
| 21:05:28 | linuxstb | saratoga: I was wondering if you were still working on wma seeking. |
| 21:06:19 | saratoga | it seems to be working for me, so not much |
| 21:06:27 | linuxstb | saratoga: And I was also curious to know what you meant by this comment - "/*for very large files it can be difficult and unimportant to find the exact packet*/" |
| 21:06:43 | saratoga | at least i can seek back and forth in the 40 minute file preglow sent me all day |
| 21:07:04 | linuxstb | The SVN code still doesn't work with my large file - I think it's due to an overflow when calculating the new packet. It also doesn't work for files with a video a stream in them. |
| 21:07:25 | saratoga | linuxstb: i noticed while bebugging that it sometimes took forever to find the exact packet |
| 21:07:38 | saratoga | so i made it give up if its taking a long time |
| 21:07:59 | saratoga | should get you within a second or so of it at worst anyway |
| 21:08:02 | bobrules | will battery life improve in the future? |
| 21:08:10 | linuxstb | Hmm, that shouldn't be needed - shouldn't it just do a binary search to find the exact packet? |
| 21:08:14 | Klevi | is 158696-0712 the newest build? |
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| 21:08:31 | karashata | Klevi: yes |
| 21:08:55 | Llorean | 15869-071202 should be |
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| 21:09:04 | n1s | bobrules: we can't predict the future any more than you can |
| 21:09:24 | saratoga | i dont know that its needed, but it seemed like a good idea |
| 21:09:27 | linuxstb | sarataga: Also, wfx->bitrate doesn't seem to be very accurate in my test file - so I've changed the code to use the seek point (in ms) divided by the file duration (in ms) to estimate the initial seek point. This seems to be working fine. |
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| 21:09:39 | saratoga | it at least prevents crashes if somehow it overflows and misses the packet |
| 21:09:47 | Klevi | yeah, Nico_P it takes about three seconds for rockbox to "realize" i told it to switch tracks |
| 21:10:05 | bobrules | Is it possible to add this feature-> when you put the player on hold, when you press any button/scroll a picture pops up saying the player is on hold |
| 21:10:05 | saratoga | i noticed that bitrate was often a poor estimate, but assumed my file was just broken |
| 21:10:19 | linuxstb | saratoga: Finally, if the seek fails, the WPS displays the new time, but the file continues playing from the previous location... |
| 21:10:28 | Nico_P | Klevi: is that all the time, or just sometimes? |
| 21:10:35 | Klevi | All the time.. |
| 21:10:49 | Klevi | Unless I go and select the file folder I havr the song in |
| 21:10:54 | Nico_P | could you have a look at the buffering debug screen? |
| 21:11:00 | Klevi | sure |
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| 21:11:12 | Nico_P | see if the bars fill up or not |
| 21:11:26 | Klevi | Oh wow... |
| 21:11:37 | Klevi | debug mode has changed since I saw it last cool ^^ |
| 21:11:47 | Klevi | and yeah |
| 21:11:55 | Klevi | it was floating around at 1/2 and now its all the way up |
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| 21:12:23 | saratoga | where do you think it overflows? |
| 21:12:36 | Nico_P | you should be able to skip tracks from within that screen |
| 21:12:44 | Klevi | I just found I can |
| 21:12:49 | Klevi | by pressing up or down |
| 21:13:36 | bobrules | Klevi you don't have crossfade on? |
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| 21:13:44 | Klevi | no |
| 21:13:50 | Klevi | I dont have it on |
| 21:14:08 | saratoga | packet_num looks like it'd be find out to a 2GB file |
| 21:14:23 | Klevi | ....hmmmmmmm |
| 21:14:29 | bobrules | go to cross fade turn everything to 0 that's what I would do first |
| 21:14:37 | Klevi | I wonder if its the fact that im in a directory with files, and folders in it |
| 21:14:50 | Klevi | when im changing tracks. |
| 21:15:03 | linuxstb | saratoga: packet_num was the problem. My file is about 120MB - a 2hr file. |
| 21:15:21 | bobrules | Klevi I have your problem too, e200 |
| 21:16:02 | linuxstb | saratoga: Changing it to this seems to be working fine (and ignores the value of wfx->bitrate) - http://pastebin.com/m35b24f0b |
| 21:16:20 | linuxstb | saratoga: Although maybe that has too many casts to 64-bit... |
| 21:16:43 | * | Klevi catagorizes all of the songs by artist now.. away |
| 21:16:46 | saratoga | why is that neccesary? |
| 21:17:00 | linuxstb | saratoga: Why is what necessary|? |
| 21:17:08 | saratoga | (temp/1000)*(wfx->bitrate>>3) should be fine unless bitrate is some insane value |
| 21:17:27 | saratoga | its just time in seconds time bitrate in bytes/second |
| 21:17:31 | saratoga | == bytes |
| 21:17:43 | saratoga | your file is 120MB, so it fits in a 32 bit int |
| 21:18:14 | linuxstb | IIUC, the bitrate is read from the header of the audio stream - so a) it's the audio bitrate only; and b) was wildly wrong in my file. |
| 21:19:13 | saratoga | then we should be doing what you said with filesize/length |
| 21:19:23 | saratoga | but 32 bit will work fine |
| 21:19:54 | Klevi | hmm |
| 21:20:27 | Klevi | nope.. I stil have the lag between track change.. but now I notice that it only happnes on a certain artist |
| 21:20:47 | Klevi | so, maybe its my files. |
| 21:21:09 | saratoga | could just change (wfx->bitrate>>3) to (ci->id3->filesize / ci->id3->length) *ms |
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| 21:21:52 | saratoga | should fix the problem with video files too i think |
| 21:22:05 | saratoga | since i was assuming bitrate was for the entire file, not just the audio |
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| 21:26:00 | Klevi | hey.. why does the CPU drop to 30 mhz at some points.. and then jump back to 80 mhz? |
| 21:26:27 | bobrules | why isn't there a picture to tell the user that the player is on hold? |
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| 21:26:38 | Llorean | Klevi: Save battery |
| 21:26:42 | Llorean | bobrules: There is. |
| 21:26:43 | Klevi | ah |
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| 21:26:52 | Klevi | its very small, bobrules |
| 21:27:02 | Llorean | bobrules: It's in the status bar, unless you're in a WPS that intentionally chose not to have a picture. In which case, blame the artists |
| 21:27:14 | Klevi | lol. |
| 21:27:17 | bobrules | Mostly likely my wps |
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| 21:29:30 | Klevi | What is the boost counter? Under Cpu. |
| 21:29:46 | linuxstb | saratoga: No, there was a different problem with video files, but I'm not sure what yet... |
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| 21:29:59 | Llorean | Klevi: How many things have said "I need the CPU full speed to work properly right now" |
| 21:30:39 | Klevi | ahh ok.. so if none of them do the frequency sis always at 24Mhz |
| 21:30:43 | Klevi | *sits |
| 21:30:50 | Klevi | instead of responding to spped requests |
| 21:30:53 | Klevi | *speed |
| 21:31:21 | Klevi | I need to hink before i speak |
| 21:31:30 | Klevi | ._. |
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| 21:34:59 | Klevi | **tries turning off repeat (all) ** |
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| 21:36:54 | Klevi | okay.. Im playing a song, I try to go back. It plays the previous track. I try to go back again after about a second later and the track's name I started off playing comes up for a few seconds and then the track i wanted to play, plays. |
| 21:37:33 | Klevi | thats what is going on. |
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| 21:46:18 | Redbreva | Interesting statistic from the logs at Rockbox-themes.org, almost 15% of RBUtil users are still not using the newer RBUtilQT version |
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| 21:55:55 | _Megaf | hi guys |
| 21:56:04 | _Megaf | how to play aac? |
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| 21:56:57 | _Megaf | rockbox r139000-070715 gere |
| 21:57:00 | _Megaf | here* |
| 21:57:15 | n1s | _Megaf: update then copy files to device and play them |
| 21:57:33 | _Megaf | hm, ok |
| 21:58:28 | _Megaf | n1s: i need update the the boot loader? |
| 21:58:51 | n1s | _Megaf: don't think so, which player do you have? |
| 21:59:06 | _Megaf | ipod nano 1gn |
| 21:59:24 | n1s | I think you should be fine then |
| 21:59:59 | m0f0x | how is the battery life on X5 when running RockBox (compared to cowon's original firmware)? |
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| 22:01:34 | BigBambi | m0f0x: Better I believe |
| 22:02:03 | _Megaf | m0f0x: hi! |
| 22:02:06 | m0f0x | BigBambi, even with the 'power handling' at 10% (wiki)? |
| 22:02:12 | m0f0x | _Megaf, hi there |
| 22:02:35 | BigBambi | m0f0x: I think that is ouddated |
| 22:02:54 | BigBambi | The wiki is sometimes not the best updated |
| 22:03:10 | m0f0x | mmm... good to know :) |
| 22:03:13 | BigBambi | I'm pretty certain that any non-portalplayer target gets better than original battery life |
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| 22:04:44 | m0f0x | BigBambi, its possible to have both (rockbox + original firmware) on this device? |
| 22:05:22 | BigBambi | unofficially |
| 22:05:42 | BigBambi | There is an unofficial dual-boot patch on the X5 which by all accounts works pretty well |
| 22:06:12 | m0f0x | cool :) |
| 22:06:15 | BigBambi | It isn't in SVN yet as it relies on some bits of the OF as I understand it |
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| 22:11:20 | Llorean | BigBambi: There's a better dual boot patch that doesn't use OF bits these days, but I'm not sure what's why it's not committed. |
| 22:11:51 | BigBambi | Llorean: cool, I didn't know that |
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| 22:25:22 | _Megaf | shit, rockbox cant play my aac musics |
| 22:26:17 | BigBambi | And much more |
| 22:27:05 | _Megaf | ill install ipod linux again... |
| 22:27:12 | _Megaf | tri-boot rlz |
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| 22:27:20 | Llorean | Rockbox plays AAC, just not encrypted AAC |
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| 22:27:43 | _Megaf | sure? |
| 22:28:25 | Llorean | If you mean "Are you sure" then yes, absolutely |
| 22:28:47 | BigBambi | heh, I read can |
| 22:28:52 | Llorean | Some very long AAC files cause problems still, but AAC is supported in general |
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| 22:29:11 | BigBambi | With can't my reply doesn't make much sense |
| 22:29:45 | _Megaf | hm |
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| 23:03:00 | Bagder | the Rockbox users list has turned into a voicebox-problems list lately |
| 23:03:30 | safetydan | I guess it's because a lot of people have to regenerate their talk clips now. |
| 23:03:58 | Bagder | probably, yes |
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| 23:06:15 | webguest14 | will updating the 'software' (the apple os bit) on my ipod through itunes remove rockbox from the firmwarey bit of the drive? Its just that I can't boot rockbox anymore... |
| 23:06:27 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 23:06:27 | krazykit | yeah |
| 23:06:49 | webguest14 | so i need to use ipodpatcher again |
| 23:07:13 | * | amiconn wonders why one would want to update the OF when running rockbox |
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| 23:07:50 | webguest14 | alas i'm a dual booter (and click yes a bit too often without thinking on itunes) |
| 23:08:36 | Llorean | Bagder: Someone mentions downgrading the software on a v2 c200 to a v1 on the forums. I don't know what's up with that, considering the HW differences. Are there maybe 3.xxxxx firmware versions for the V1s now? |
| 23:08:58 | Bagder | sounds unlikely, but who knows... |
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| 23:10:17 | Bagder | well, "then rockbox as usual" kind of implies it isn't a v2 for real |
| 23:10:27 | Llorean | Bagder: Yeah, I figured that much at least. :) |
| 23:10:57 | Llorean | Also, slightly related, know anyone who's regularly around here with a c200? The one I got from woot is showing some interesting problems, and I'd like someone else to try something to verify whether it's a Rockbox thing, or a "Crappy refurb" thing |
| 23:11:37 | Bagder | pixelma and zagor |
| 23:11:41 | Llorean | Alright, thanks |
| 23:11:53 | Bagder | I check his pics now |
| 23:11:58 | Bagder | and both are v1s |
| 23:11:59 | pixelma | Llorean: I already answered you today... ;) |
| 23:12:14 | Llorean | pixelma: Ah, didn't see you around. And missed your answer maybe? |
| 23:12:20 | Llorean | Was this regarding the fonts question I had? |
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| 23:12:56 | Llorean | Hm, and now suddenly I can't reproduce it. |
| 23:13:02 | pixelma | you weren't around, I just stated it for the logs (9:12 ) |
| 23:13:03 | * | Llorean chalks it ups to unreliable refurb. |
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| 23:13:47 | pixelma | I worked my way through the whole fonts browser without a problem |
| 23:13:51 | Llorean | Gotcha |
| 23:14:15 | Llorean | And it's not happening now that I'm trying it again. Maybe yesterday was just a bad technology day. :) |
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| 23:14:27 | TwinSora | hey. (: |
| 23:14:33 | Llorean | I did it three times yesterday until it finally decided not to let me write to the flash at all without fully reinstalling the OF |
| 23:14:36 | TwinSora | Anyone know how to create your own theme? |
| 23:14:41 | TwinSora | For Rockbox with 1st gen nano? |
| 23:14:49 | Llorean | Maybe something else was corrupted and Rockbox was being affected by that, instead of the other way around |
| 23:14:58 | Llorean | TwinSora: See the CustomWPS wiki page |
| 23:14:59 | pixelma | TwinSora: the wiki knows (CustomWPS) ;) |
| 23:15:21 | TwinSora | Oh |
| 23:15:23 | TwinSora | Thanks. |
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| 23:17:40 | GodEater | Bagder: got time to check if I've set my new PC ok as far as being a build server is concerned ? It's still on the same old host name as my last one. |
| 23:18:35 | pixelma | Llorean: probably a bad tech day, yesterday I had problems with a build I compiled myself - when trying playback it gave me all sorts of undefined instructions, svn build worked and then a rebuild of my own worked ok too.. :) |
| 23:19:03 | Llorean | So now I just need to fix the headphone jack, and I've got a fine new player. :) |
| 23:19:41 | Bagder | GodEater: looks fine to me, I'm enabling it now |
| 23:19:49 | GodEater | cool :) |
| 23:20:03 | linuxstb | pixelma: I had a problem like that the other day as well - a make clean and rebuild fixed it... |
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| 23:22:01 | saratoga | i asked before, but has anyone seen the sigmatel linux site before? |
| 23:22:04 | saratoga | http://linux.sigmatel.com/linuxbsp/ |
| 23:22:20 | saratoga | i was under the impression that we didn't have any info on their chips |
| 23:22:52 | Bagder | I think we don't |
| 23:22:59 | linuxstb | No, I hadn't seen it. I downloaded some of the files, and they seem very useful. Hopefully it will also mean they would be willing to share docs. |
| 23:23:19 | Bagder | any fun targets around with sigmatels? |
| 23:23:44 | linuxstb | Sansa Express I think |
| 23:23:51 | pixelma | Bagder: wanted to ask you because I'd like to put the 2 DevCon "Towers of Rockbox" on that wiki page... should I upload a appropriate sized version of the jpg directly to the wiki or just link to your site (just the pic address)? :) |
| 23:24:39 | scorche | pixelma: it seems like everyone is doing the former |
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| 23:24:57 | Bagder | I'm fine with either way |
| 23:25:02 | scorche | err...nvm.. |
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| 23:27:39 | pixelma | hmm... I thought asking here would help me with a decision... |
| 23:28:18 | Bagder | haha |
| 23:28:32 | Bagder | probably the first version is better for easy browsing |
| 23:30:08 | * | scorche nudges Llorean toward http://stupidfilter.org/main/index.php?n=Main.HomePage |
| 23:30:29 | pixelma | Bagder: thanks, will do :) |
| 23:31:16 | zezayer | /quit |
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| 23:33:30 | Llorean | scorche: I'm bookmarking that, I like it. Heh |
| 23:34:58 | GodEater | ipodvideo builds in 32 seconds, H1x0 in 28, and JBR in 12. :) |
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| 23:36:11 | Bagder | with the files in ccache already? |
| 23:36:15 | GodEater | yes |
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| 23:36:39 | GodEater | anyone have a recommended "make -j " figure for core 2 duo ? |
| 23:36:47 | GodEater | I've left it at 2 currently |
| 23:37:04 | Bagder | I have -j4 on my dual core amd |
| 23:37:12 | Bagder | and I build ipod video in 23... |
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| 23:37:17 | GodEater | I'll change it to that then |
| 23:37:18 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:37:26 | GodEater | <−− budget pc boy |
| 23:37:32 | GodEater | I spent £200 |
| 23:38:26 | GodEater | and it's about triple the speed of my old pc - so I'm happy |
| 23:39:08 | GodEater | right - bed time for me - speak to you all tomorrow :) |
| 23:39:20 | Bagder | good night! |
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| 23:48:56 | amiconn | My box needs 35 sec for ipod video when everything is ccached |
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| 23:49:14 | amiconn | It's only a single core amd, using make -j2 |
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| 23:53:35 | XavierGr | what exactly does the -j option do? |
| 23:53:53 | amiconn | Just -j is a bit better, i.e. let 'make' decide how many processes to run in parallel |
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| 23:54:17 | XavierGr | ah processes |
| 23:54:26 | XavierGr | never tried it, I should... |
| 23:54:46 | JdGordon | if your on a single proc wouldnt adding -j slpw it down? |
| 23:54:54 | amiconn | no |
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| 23:55:05 | amiconn | Even the single core has to wait for the disk sometimes |
| 23:55:06 | * | JdGordon uses -j4 on his quad |
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| 23:55:52 | amiconn | No -j: 38 sec, -j 2: 35 sec, -j 3: 34 sec, -j: 32.5 sec |
| 23:56:24 | JdGordon | interesting... |
| 23:57:58 | * | eigma uses -j5 on two hyperthreaded Xeons |
| 23:58:28 | JdGordon | hey eigma, any more luck with the dsp? |
| 23:58:32 | amiconn | I think using just -j is always best, unless there's not enough free RAM |
| 23:58:45 | eigma | haven't had time.. |
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