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#rockbox log for 2007-12-03

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00:07:53XavierGramiconn: is these number on linux, vmware or cygwin?
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00:10:47amiconncygwin is waaay slower (and ccache doesn't help there - it slows things down)
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00:14:14Bagderboth -j4 and -j take about 19 seconds for me
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00:40:40countrymonkeyIf I comment out #define have_usbstack, will my ipod revert to old behavior of rebooting into emergency diskmode??
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00:47:33countrymonkeyIf I comment out #define have_usbstack, will my ipod revert to old behavior of rebooting into emergency diskmode??
00:48:23safetydanrepeating the question doesn't make people answer quicker
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00:53:04linuxstbcountrymonkey: ipods should still reboot to emergency disk mode, even with HAVE_USBSTACK defined.
00:53:37countrymonkeyBut I get this found new hardware rockbox media player
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00:55:42linuxstbIIUC, it should only do that when you tell Rockbox to charge (i.e. hold MENU whilst inserting USB).
00:55:48linuxstbDoes it not reboot for you?
00:56:15countrymonkeyI must make a build for my brother, 8. I am applying a ton of patches to do this. One thing I need to do is make rockbox simple as possible and that requires taking out untested coad such as the usbstack (which I found doesn't work).
00:56:46LloreanIt does what it's supposed to do...
00:56:51countrymonkeyand yes. It does it when I try to go in to diskmode without the menu button held.
00:57:31linuxstbWhat other patches have you applied? Any that affect the usb reboot behaviour?
00:58:46countrymonkeyI applied updated chinese translations (our mother wants him using the chinese traditional setting), and I disabled database in the config file.
00:59:24countrymonkeyAnd speaking of chinese, to use it in the menu system, do I have to change coad page?
00:59:45 Quit ender1 (" I have a theory that it's impossible to prove anything, but I can't prove it.")
00:59:47amiconnlinuxstb: The 'new hardware' thing pops up regardless of charge/usb mode
01:00:37linuxstbamiconn: Hmm, I've never used the latest Rockbox with windows...
01:03:06safetydancountrymonkey: no, just pick the language. You may need to also have picked a font that supports CJK characters.
01:03:43countrymonkeyWhat's cjk? And what fonts support that?
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01:05:37safetydancountrymonkey: Chinese, Japanese, Korean. Anyway, this should help you choose">
01:06:11safetydanbut you probably just want to use unifont
01:06:44countrymonkeyThanks. about the usb stack.
01:06:45markun9+18x18 also has some CJK
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01:10:48countrymonkeyThanks. about the usb stack.
01:11:25Lloreancountrymonkey: Please stop with the repeating things.
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01:13:53countrymonkeyMy irc client doesn't show my postings. So if I think something didn't go through, I repost it.
01:14:06krazykitcountrymonkey, then you need a new irc client.
01:14:41Lloreancountrymonkey: If you think something didn't go through, check the log at the website first, then.
01:15:41countrymonkeygood idea.
01:16:03countrymonkeyWhat's a good irc client?
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01:24:16countrymonkeyIf I comment out have usbstack what will happen?
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01:36:55countrymonkeyIf I comment out have usbstack what will happen?
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01:39:30pixelmarepeating the question doesn't make people answer quicker </repeat mode: off> ;)
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01:58:56schnuppelhello, i'm looking for a ipod 5.5g build with some useful patches as album art etc... is there a site that offers some customized rockbox versions for the ipod to play around with?
01:58:57andrea_someone interested in creatives?
01:59:55mud-rbschnuppel: the main rockbox build supports album art, and there's a part of the forum dedicated to custom builds, i assume there's at least one for ipod
02:00:56schnuppelmud-rb: ah the main build has album art support now? since when, if i may ask?
02:01:35mud-rbschnuppel: it's in the major changes list i think, but off the top of my head, maybe a month ago it was put in?
02:02:12schnuppelthanks :) did not follow the changelog closely
02:02:18mud-rbnp :)
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02:03:00krazykitsorry about that, middle click acting up
02:05:26schnuppeli assume it's better to remove my current .rockbox from may07 completely instead of just overwriting it with current, right?
02:05:52XavierGr_what exactly does the -j option do?
02:06:22amiconnRepetition day today? ;)
02:06:49XavierGr_that's what happens when you press up to find the /clear command and then you sneeze! :P
02:10:08Lloreanschnuppel: It's generally irrelevant, but the only harm from removing the .rockbox folder is loss of settings/themes/database/savegames
02:12:31schnuppelLlorean: yeah indeed .. but a short look revealed that rocks/ dir is now hierarchical ... anyway i just rm -rf'ed it ;)
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02:12:59schnuppelhm another question, is there some sort of coverflow implemented for rb?
02:14:25schnuppelthis apple itunes/latest ipod/iphone thing to browser your collection by covers
02:14:52mud-rboh, no, i don't think there's a way to do that
02:15:44schnuppelwhy not?! not at very high fps but what would be the problem?
02:16:11mud-rbi'm sure it's possible, just nobody with the ability has bothered to write it...
02:17:45schnuppel it's qt based but basically the algorithm is integer based :-)
02:18:26mud-rbhaha, well even if it's perfect, i'm sure it'd still have to be ported. don't look at me, i don't even use album art really
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02:22:15mud-rbschnuppel: anyway, you could add a feature request for it on the rockbox page, and link to that implementation. maybe someone will add it, i don't know
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03:30:49safetydanhas anyone done post MOB commit batter benchmarks?
03:30:54safetydanbattery even
03:32:05HowdyDoodyNo, safetydan but I could be interested though.
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03:36:45safetydanwell it'd only really be testable on targets that have been relatively for power consumption for a while now
03:36:55safetydanso iRiver H1xx series or iAudio I guess
03:37:31safetydangigabeat might also work
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08:41:52mrkikoHi all!
08:42:03amiconnjhMikeS: Try again, should work now
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08:45:53GodEater_ah still no commits since yesterday afternoon
08:46:23jhMikeSyep, working now
08:48:14LinusNthe server was down for unknown reasons, we just rebooted it
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08:48:48GodEater_eco-ninjas unplugging it to save the planet no doubt
08:49:07LinusNmy theory as well
08:49:46amiconnDa crashbox :(
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08:55:57GodEater_I should stop going away for the weekend. Too many forum posts to catch up on.
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08:58:06TiMiD[FD]It's not a forum that'll prevent me from spending a nice weekend
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08:58:40GodEater_it wasn't that nice
08:59:12TiMiD[FD]depends what you're doing
08:59:40GodEater_I guess
08:59:58TiMiD[FD]in that case you could have spend your weekend reading the forum I guess :)
09:03:04GodEater_no intertubes where I was
09:05:26TiMiD[FD]that's fine with me for a week end as long as there I have friends
09:05:54TiMiD[FD]anyway they have the net everywhere here
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09:18:10preglowjmworx: pong
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09:21:14jhMikeSamiconn: I'm taking a break from this 5002 CPU crache (sic) thing. I've gotten nowhere in finding a solution. I know this much: 1) 100% dependent on having caching running. I can test by simply not setting certain bits in the control register and leaving the compiled bin otherwise identical. 2) 0% relevant regarding number of cores allowed to run.
09:21:34scorcheLinusN: makes me wonder how we shall pull off next year's :)
09:21:44preglowjhMikeS: so binary search yielded no good clues?
09:21:49LinusNscorche: :-)
09:21:59jhMikeSnothing's yielded clues at all
09:22:16jhMikeSother than to narrow it down to one variable
09:23:23safetydanpreglow, I think jmworx wanted to chat about the qmf_synth arm optimisations posted to speex-dev
09:23:25jhMikeSmaybe some builds work only because something else less important gets clobbered
09:23:26scorcheLinusN: speaking of which, i think it is time to start planning...
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09:24:32*petur is proud to announce he has a certain date after which he will not be able to attend :)
09:24:34scorchealthough with the current exchange rate, is it cheaper to come over to this side of the pond?
09:24:36*jhMikeS goes back to more proactive projects for now
09:24:49scorchepetur: oh?
09:25:13preglowreally, now
09:25:24peturfirst of june there should be a new one in our family :)
09:25:45scorcheah...may then? ;)
09:27:07preglowsafetydan: ahh, i see
09:27:24jhMikeSpetur: way to go. :) Now I know why you've been too busy.
09:27:33preglowi really should make df1 version of iir_mem16...
09:27:50peturjhMikeS: heh, and it won't get better...
09:29:13peturbut spare time availability is getting better, so I'll resume rockbox soon :D
09:30:00jhMikeS...and have a little one to start on rockbox early in life? :)
09:30:31peturmy wife will surely veto that
09:31:31amiconnjhMikeS: hmm :( Did you try with caching enabled but clock scaling disabled?
09:31:43jhMikeSamiconn: indeed
09:32:04amiconnIndeed what?
09:32:36jhMikeSactually, I'm not sure I tried properly
09:33:45scorchehrm...compared to DC2007's tower, DCW2007's tower is more like a pile of rockbox =/
09:34:18hcsyeah, sort of lame in comparison
09:34:39scorchethen again, i think is more of a pile =P
09:34:47Zagoranyone with windows and a pp502x target who can test something? I wonder what windows says when you connect usb_serial.
09:35:21jhMikeSZagor: how do I connect in that manner?
09:36:14ZagorjhMikeS: change usbstack/usb_core.c to define USB_SERIAL instead of USB_CHARGING_ONLY
09:40:07jhMikeSok, just gotta compile real quick here...
09:42:06advcomp2019Zagor, i can test with vista and xp and i have e280r
09:42:09jhMikeSbrings up the found new hardware wizard
09:42:22ZagorjhMikeS: ok, thanks
09:42:38jhMikeSsays "Digital Audio Player"
09:43:08ZagorjhMikeS: huh, that's a very old version
09:43:19Zagorit should say "Rockbox media player" since quite a while
09:43:27jhMikeSI just did svn up and compiled with reconfig
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09:44:04Zagorthat string changed nov 22
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09:45:04jhMikeSperhaps windows remembered it from plugging before?
09:45:14Zagoryeah, maybe
09:45:33Zagormeeting, back soon
09:46:21jhMikeSit is a clean build for sure
09:48:48jhMikeStotal reclean and rebuid, same string
09:52:03jhMikeSamiconn: just tried it with simply making set_cpu_frequency return without changing things with no difference
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09:53:17GodEater_someone commit something. I want to see if my build server is working properly!
09:53:44jhMikeSwill it work if I commit myself? :p
09:54:19GodEater_only if Bagder's done some serious work on the build system ;)
09:55:14*jhMikeS needs to check himself in somewhere
09:56:04*LinusN checks out himself
09:56:19GodEater_the vanity of some people...
09:56:25jhMikeSpp5150 it should be called
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10:03:08LinusNjhMikeS: i just rebuilt my ipod video, and it says "Rockbox media player"
10:03:31LinusNand i have connected before, when it said "Digital audio player"
10:05:13LinusNhow strange, windows update didn't find a driver... :-)
10:06:01*jhMikeS went and removed the "?" while the device was plugged, replugged and "Rockbox media player" now shows.
10:10:18jhMikeSIs windows going to be able to detect each rockbox device using the stack as distinct? I map each to a particular drive letter.
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10:11:10jmspeexpreglow: there's a guy who further optimised your ARM assembly code
10:11:26preglowjmspeex: yeah, i see, gonna check out a diff now
10:12:02jhMikeSFS what?
10:12:30preglowspeex-dev list
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10:17:50linuxstbjhMikeS: IIUC, Rockbox will use the same USB vendor/product ID as the original firmware. I don't know how Windows distinguishes devices though...
10:18:56ZagorjhMikeS: I'm not sure how windows work, but there is a serial number field in usb we should fill in that maybe windows can use for that purpose.
10:19:15advcomp2019with the latest build, on my vista computer it says "Digital audio player," but on my xp machine it says "Rockbox media player"
10:20:19jhMikeSadvcomp2019: Remove the "?" from the device manager and replug. XP caches the description string.
10:22:28advcomp2019jhMikeS, now my vista machine reads it as "Rockbox media player"
10:22:37peturif you want to make windows forget about ever seeing the device, you need to run the add/remove hardware wizard, and check the 'show hidden devices' or whatever they call it nowadays. That will show all devices it knows of. Then select the right one and remove. Too bad you need to run the wizard again and again if you need to remove multiple
10:23:56*jhMikeS tends to just use regedit in those situations :)
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10:31:20*preglow feels like an idiot for not seeing that mul/sub -> mla thing
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10:35:00jmspeexpreglow: is the patch running much faster than your assembly code?
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10:37:32jhMikeSpreglow: say say?
10:39:05preglowjmspeex: i expect it won't run much faster at all, since mul/sub and mla use the same amount of cycles, but at least the code'll be smaller, we'll see
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10:39:28preglowhaven't tried it yet, working on other stuff right now
10:39:46mlindhi guys! How do I go back to older build? Tried unzipping older build same way, same place as with newer builds. Got "Checksum error"...
10:40:08GodEater_why would you want to go back to an older build ?
10:40:10*jhMikeS still sees "@ TODO: this can be optimized further".
10:40:24jmspeexwhat' the status of Rockbox on the iAudio X5? Is that one of the recommended devices? (any particular issue with it?)
10:40:42mlindTo see if my problem is with the firmware or with my iRiver
10:40:50preglowjmspeex: i think it's considered a very good port
10:40:54jhMikeSjmspeex: quite well supported
10:41:19preglowjhMikeS: didn't you give that TODO a go?
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10:41:32GodEater_mlind: just delete the entire .rockbox directory from your player, and then unzip again. That'll make sure there's no conflicts hanging around.
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10:42:16jhMikeSpreglow: arm is easy to shorten packing on when clamping isn't needed and is very uncooperative when it is needed
10:42:57troymchello.... i have a quick question, any good guides to install rockbox with the dual boot app for 5g, iused to have one, but lost it
10:42:59jhMikeSI could remove a couple instuctions but not cycles so easily
10:43:13GodEater_troymc: the rockbox manual is the best guide there is
10:43:44jhMikeSthe best thing I could ever figure is to skip clamping alltogether when it isn't needed and if it's rare, it's much faster that way
10:44:15troymckk... is there an app though that makes it so you don´t have to do the button press dual boot, it is a menu, what is that called?
10:44:23Bagdertroymc: rockbox is always dual-boot on ipod 5g
10:44:33Bagderbut no menu
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10:44:40GodEater_troymc: the ipod linux bootloader has a menu - but we don't support it here.
10:44:59mlindwhile I'm here: Each time I power-up RB, some of my settings gets reset to default. Any body know why? My WPS stays.
10:45:04preglowjhMikeS: i can't imagine a way to find out if clipping isn't needed
10:45:47troymcach so, well thank you then, and manual install still required for 5g? or no
10:45:55troymcbeen a while since i was in this scene
10:46:03jhMikeSpreglow: well, it's easy with unsigned values. :)
10:46:03GodEater_troymc: no - there's rockbox utility to do it these days
10:46:14GodEater_troymc: which is also covered in the manual...
10:47:17preglowjmspeex: i don't see the point in those interleaving r4/r0 loads he does in the filter loop in iir_mem16, though
10:47:20troymcokay, i shall quit asking dumb questions, thank you for the help though
10:47:25preglowjmspeex: at least not for arm4
10:49:01jhMikeSpreglow: I'm not sure it doesn't actually. Some video results seemed to point to that it does help but not drastically like on 920T.
10:49:40preglowjhMikeS: i don't see how it can help unless our devices don't use the actual arm4 pipeline
10:49:55preglowjhMikeS: read instructions should block until everything is read and ready
10:49:59jhMikeSThe SPC echo filter also pointed to a slight difference but it could be cache effects.
10:50:57preglowif only benchmarking wasn't so boring...
10:51:06jhMikeSpreglow: so ldmia blocks until all regs have been loaded?
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10:51:22preglowjhMikeS: on arm4, yes it should
10:51:26preglowjhMikeS: on arm5, no
10:51:51preglowthat is, i believe even arm9tdmi has the latter behaviour, and that is arm4, i think
10:52:29jhMikeS920T is is arm4 correct?
10:53:00preglowwouldn't know, really
10:53:08preglowlemme check
10:53:29jhMikeSI know you _must_ avoid load stalls on that and it's not subtle at all
10:53:32preglowbut it has a five-stage pipeline
10:53:41preglowso what you say is probably true, interleaved loading will help there
10:55:01preglowthis sucks quite a bit, most of my arm opts assume arm7
10:55:03jhMikeSthat's why idct for arm has such a crazed ordering
10:58:31preglowi probably should have one version for arm7 and one for arm9 and higher
10:58:40preglowthis interleaving will actually be slower on pp
10:58:48preglowsince it needs to stack a reg
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10:59:07jhMikeSpreglow: it didn't previously?
11:00:11preglowi used just one reg previously, but it needs two, since one needs to be loaded some cycles in advace
11:00:15preglowadvance too
11:00:54mlindGodEater_: I deleted .rockbox and unzipped an archived build. Still RoLo said "Checksum error"
11:01:23GodEater_Don't use RoLo. Reboot properly.
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11:02:17n1smlind: are you sure you have the correct build for your player?
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11:10:46mlinddammit! I was trying to use h100 builds, not h120.... That was too obvious. Thanks n1s!
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11:15:08ddalton_pondlife: what do you think of my last patch to FS #8259?
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11:19:25preglowjmspeex: you getting an x5?
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11:21:21pondlifeddalton: I don't really care about it much. Personally I prefer the current layout anyway.
11:21:44pondlifeBut that's just what I'm used to and it's no biggie
11:22:19amiconnpreglow: arm7 and arm920t are quite different even though they are both armv4t. That's why my ape filter opts are #ifdef arm7tdmi
11:22:31pixelmapondlife: the current layout after Alessio Lenzi's changes?
11:22:43pondlifeHmm, has it changed again?
11:22:56ddalton_ok. well I think this is better because -Blind users hear the battery level when entering the screen -They hit down once to hear time -they hit up once to hear free disk space.
11:23:11pixelmapondlife: no, not again
11:23:15ddalton_The only other thing to hear would be date. Which I am considering putting on the same line...
11:23:30pondlifepixelma: I thought the stuff that got broken has all been fixed now
11:23:55pondlifeI don't really care much about the sequence as long as voice matches screen.
11:24:16pondlifeAnd of course UI mods should be at least mentioned before commit ;-)
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11:24:33jhMikeSamiconn: I never observed anything I did to help 920T hurt arm7 though but I didn't need to stack anything either.
11:24:34pondlifeSo no objections here to ddalton's patch.
11:24:41pixelmapondlife: yes, I think so. I was just referring to the "used to"...
11:24:43pondlifeBut also no interest
11:24:47ddalton_and the rest of the stuff they probably don't care about or they wouldn't check it much
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11:25:21preglowjhMikeS: nah, most arm9 stuff shouldn't hurt arm7, unless you have to do extra shuffling around to allow arm9 opts to be possible in the first place
11:25:24pondlifePersonally, I use that screen for buffer size and version more than anything else, but I'm "unusual" ;-)
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11:25:39preglowlike here, stacking a reg just to be able to interleave loads, the interleaving of loads doesn't hurt arm7, but the stacking does
11:26:00ddalton_pondlife, and what patch do you prefer?
11:26:06ddalton_first or second
11:26:19pondlifeNot looked, not enough time, sorry.
11:26:52pondlifeRockbox is on a back-burner for me now... probably until 2008. :-(
11:27:12ddalton_one tap of up now says the free disk space two taps says size and one tap down says time....
11:27:27ddalton_the rest is the same. That would hopefully solve the visual problems to...
11:27:29pixelmaddalton_: I don't see a great difference to your version then - in the current version they have battery first, pressing down for disk info, up for time. So only the two last ones are interchanged
11:27:31jhMikeSpreglow: usually after serveral iterations on a code block, registers myteriously free up
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11:28:24ddalton_well most people are used to scroling down. And they want the time before disk stuff...
11:28:28preglowjhMikeS: would be plenty easier here if arm4 didn't lack high/low hword multiply instructions :/
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11:30:12ddalton_ok I better go but im expecting it to get rejected... I wrote it a while ago for myself and just uploaded it too see what people would say. I also have some other patches which I won't upload yet
11:30:15austriancoderZagor: ping
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11:30:43Zagoraustriancoder: nice work with usb_serial
11:31:00austriancoderZagor: thanks...
11:31:05ddalton_how do I umount my iriver when it says device busy?
11:31:34Zagorddalton_: some process (such as a shell) is probably using the directory
11:32:09ddalton_oh maybe my irc shell is. Ill reboot if it doesn't work when I log off...
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11:32:48ddaltonthat was the problem...
11:32:53austriancoderZagor: I want to improve current stack, by allowing to switch at runtime between serial/storage... driver. Have you thought about any design for this? I have stated working on this topic:
11:33:05jhMikeSpreglow: hmmm...I wonder if a reg could be dropped from use there in general
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11:33:35Zagoraustriancoder: yes, I simply want a variable that selects descriptors and functions
11:33:57ZagorI'm not a fan of using function pointers
11:34:19austriancoderZagor: but it makes the code cleaner
11:34:28Zagorcleaner but harder to follow
11:34:30amiconnjhMikeS: The filter stuff I did to speed up arm7 would hurt arm9 if enabled (the scalarproduct() - the vector add and sub functions wouldn't change anything)
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11:36:23austriancoderZagor: so you want to have that all "dirvers" have functions e.g. usb_serial_init() and in the usb_core we have a switch, which evaluates the current driver to use and calls then e.g. usb_serial_init() ?
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11:36:40Zagoraustriancoder: yes
11:37:12Zagorthat also makes it easier to handle special cases for each driver, if there should be a need for such
11:37:26austriancoderZagor: okay...
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11:38:05Zagorhowever as far as init goes, I think all drivers should be initialized by usb_core_init(). I don't want to call that multiple times if we can avoid it.
11:38:13jhMikeSamiconn: my figuring was that I've never seem anything to speed up arm9 that hurt arm7
11:38:23austriancoderZagor: I can work on this if you want... as i know now how it should look like
11:38:37Zagoraustriancoder: sounds good. go ahead!
11:38:39jhMikeSbut I suppose there's some qualifiers and all things are probably not equal
11:39:01austriancoderZagor: fine :)
11:40:07amiconnBtw, the usb serial number is what windows uses to distinguish devices - if present
11:40:30Zagoramiconn: ok, good. we should use that then.
11:41:01amiconnA device with no serial number is a violation of the usb specs, but windows can deal with that, but there are some quirks, like assigned driver letters not being remembered
11:41:23amiconnBut what *must* be avoided by all means are duplicate serial numbers
11:42:03Zagoramiconn: the serials only have to be unique for that vendor/product id, right?
11:43:10amiconnNot sure...
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11:43:54amiconnEvery individual PP target should already have a serial number in the OF - imho it would be best if we could use that
11:45:19jhMikeSThe serial isn't in the ROM? :\
11:46:20amiconnI would think it's in the rom somewhere
11:46:36jhMikeSJust need a i2c rom reader for sansa
11:47:40Zagoraustriancoder: by the way, I was thinking about whether we really want a setting for driver or if we should use a set_configuration call to select the right one. using a call avoids all user confusion.
11:47:42jhMikeSIn fact it must be or else a firmware upgrade would change it :p. duh!
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11:56:42linuxstbaustriancoder: Are you planning on implementing DEBUGF() with the usb serial driver?
11:58:15*LinusN gives up getting usbser.sys to work with the rockbox usb serial driver
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12:09:36austriancoderlinuxstb: yes...
12:10:23austriancoderZagor: I dont konw if this could work... if i over two configurations (storage/serial), which would be choosen by the os?
12:10:45austriancoderZagor: And only one can be active - or?
12:12:18GodEater_allegedly you can do both, and both would be active
12:12:54austriancodercool.. will give it a try
12:13:03linuxstbI thought Zagor said that there weren't enough endpoints to have both active at the same time?
12:14:22austriancoderat the moment yes... but the chip has but to 16 endpoints
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12:16:53amiconnaustriancoder: Iirc the chip has just 3 endpoints iirc
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12:17:41austriancoderamiconn: hmm... okay.. so we can only serial or storage active
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12:19:31jmspeexpreglow: I'm considering it
12:24:00preglowjmspeex: at least it's coldfire, nice for dsp
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12:28:36jhMikeSwhy are we still using −−timeout in the usb driver instead of USEC_TIMER checks?
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12:31:36austriancoderjhMikeS: dont know... feel free to change
12:31:54jhMikeSbtw, do we boost the CPU frequency on plugging?
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12:32:26jhMikeSor at some point anyway such as during transfers
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12:34:17jhMikeSaustriancoder: I'm worried a long transfer could expire the counter
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12:43:58barrywardelljhMikeS: I haven't seen any timeouts happening
12:45:03barrywardellalthough maybe it's a good change to make anyway
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12:46:27jhMikeSprobably not on 64 bytes
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12:58:34jhMikeSZagor: You said there was a test program somewhere?
13:00:07jhMikeSfound usb_benchmark.c in tools so I suppose that's the one :)
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13:06:11ZagorjhMikeS: yeah
13:09:51Zagoraustriancoder: only one configuration can be active at any one time. the usb command set_configuration is used to select which configuration to use. a hypothetical logf_reader or debug_reader tool could send the set_configuration to activate serial mode.
13:10:29Zagoraustriancoder: the controller design supports up to 16 endpoints. but the chip in the sansas and ipods only have three endpoints.
13:11:00austriancoderZagor: okay.. but I dont want to use an other tool to read logf/debugf stuff.. i just want to use normal terminal programms
13:11:16pixelmaBagder: nice... didn't know that (though when seeing this picture it seems familiar, maybe I've seen it once a while ago...) :)
13:11:42Bagdera classic one
13:13:00pixelmaare you going to add some information on the 2006 one while you are at it? I didn't know much about it and wanted to leave that to someone else...
13:13:46BagderI don't really remember much particular details... :-)
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13:14:24Bagderthe targets are mine, Linus' and amiconn's I believe
13:14:30Bagdergotta go
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13:14:59Zagoraustriancoder: a dedicted debug reader could be written to give be more useful than a simple terminal program. just such simple things as the timing of messages would be very useful.
13:15:51Zagorthough it's not a big issue for me. i can live with a setting too.
13:16:57austriancoderI will test the set_configuration part and then i will decide :)
13:18:45Zagorthere's a set_interface too. we could use either one.
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13:25:57*amiconn and pixelma should try to build a big tower of rockbox soon :)
13:27:36jhMikeSpp5002 targets on top, please...may they fall the hardest :)
13:29:08amiconnThis tower could also feature a couple of open targets, or boards (Ondio, ipod 2nd Gen)
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13:29:29preglowsuddenly none of my codecs work on ipod
13:30:27jhMikeSThey did get incompatible a few days ago
13:31:04preglowi just did a full build and zip :/
13:31:57*jhMikeS swears he has nothing to do with it
13:37:18pixelmajhMikeS: the c200 will probably make a nice top of the tower.. ;)
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13:39:41jhMikeSpixelma: I have no qualms with c200 :)
13:40:23*pixelma should have read more thouroughly...
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13:57:59jmspeexpreglow: BTW, anyone got rockbox working on the iaudio 7?
13:58:19preglowjmspeex: wouldn't know, i can't keep track of which iaudios are being worked on...
13:58:24preglowbtw, tested that asm stuff now
13:58:33preglowand it gave iir_mem16 a really miniscule boost
13:58:49jmspeexhow about qmf_synth?
13:58:57preglowwhat is weird is that wb mode got slower, while uwb mode got faster...
13:59:15jmspeexsignificantly or can it just be noise?
13:59:41preglowsignificantly, wb went from 447.2% realtime to 439.96&
13:59:46preglowseveral tries
13:59:53preglowuwb went from 263% to 268%
14:00:22preglowi don't get how that can happen, uwb is just wb mode applied again, what made wb slower should also make uwb slower
14:00:54preglowperhaps it's that iir_mem16 order 8 register stacking
14:01:29pixelmathere was someone (TMM) starting to work on an Iaudio 7 port and it's already part of configure. I believe something went wrong with the player though and I don't know of anybody else working on that target
14:01:34jmspeexmaybe iir_mem16() and qmf_synth() changed speed in opposive directions
14:02:07preglowjmspeex: well, nb mode only uses iir_mem16 order 10, so that has to be a tiny bit faster
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14:02:43preglowand the order 8 stuff should only be a tiny bit slower
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14:06:07preglowi don't get why performance figures vary a lot at all, for me, most of this stuff is just minimizing load dependencies
14:06:11preglowand arm7 doesn't care about that
14:06:24pondlifehaha, the original Tower of Rockbox (April 2002) was the best of all ;)
14:08:18merbananjmspeex: what type is the qmf in speex ?
14:08:34jmspeexmerbanan: what do you mean?
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14:09:44pixelmapondlife: I move it up to the beginning...
14:12:33merbananjmspeex: I've been trying to get my head around how to do the forward transform in dca, they use a qmf, but they have a 512 taps long filter, and there is a qmf called pqmf but the specs also mention PQF
14:14:04jmspeexwhat's dca?
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14:15:13jmspeexiirc pqmf has near-perfect reconstruction, but the Speex QMF has perfect reconstruction (in theory anyway, Speex is far too lossy for that to make a difference)
14:16:09merbanandts coherent acustics
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14:18:58LinusNpondlife: spot the Amiga RF modulator on the table :-)
14:23:48merbananjmspeex: but is the usual way for the inverse qmf to just reverse the taps ?
14:24:10jmspeexmerbanan: for QMFs, I believe so
14:24:24jmspeexBut there's generally better than QMF for audio.
14:24:35jmspeexFor example, you don't really need linear phase
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14:27:19merbananwell I need to use the filters that exists
14:29:13jhMikeSthis seems to speed up sim disk access for me on VMWare even:">
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14:34:45Nico_Pmy sim gets sluggish after startup when dirchache is enabled
14:35:07jhMikeSsee if the patch helps
14:35:17Nico_PjhMikeS: I just tried with it
14:35:30jhMikeSis it different?
14:35:40Nico_Pdoesn't seem to be
14:35:51jhMikeSbuffering is better for me
14:36:29Nico_Pah, didn't try that
14:37:00Nico_Pdidn't someone mention slowness in the sim? I can't find it in the logs
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14:40:00jhMikeSactually, I could probably cut the buffering thread now that I think about it. I have a way to do prolonged yielding. Patch up quickly.
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14:43:02peturNico_P: ML
14:43:15Nico_Pahh, that's it! thanks :)
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14:43:36jhMikeSNico_P: This next one will run as fast as it possibly could.
14:44:48preglowtest_codec hangs again, sometimes
14:44:57linuxstbjmspeex, pixelma: TMM is still working on the iaudio 7 port, just slowly...
14:46:07preglowforget that.........
14:46:14linuxstbHe did manage to brick his first player within about 10 minutes of receiving it, but the shop exchanged it....
14:46:30LinusNway to go :-)
14:48:11Nico_Ppondlife: my sim is slow after startup too but it seems related to dircache
14:48:16*preglow notices that rockpaint uses a non-standard menu
14:49:06*petur wonders who uses rockpaint
14:49:23preglowi entered it by mistake :/
14:49:35preglowit doesn't use the wheel for ipods, either
14:49:39preglowand the menu has bugs
14:50:02*Nico_P doesn't like that you can't view a bitmap by simply "clicking" on it
14:50:13*linuxstb suggests Nico_P writes a bitmap viewer...
14:50:21Nico_Prockpaint is one
14:50:34peturor rather convert the jpeg viewer to an image viewer
14:50:39*GodEater_ points everyone to the new thread in the Unsupported builds forum
14:50:58*Nico_P is afraid of that forum
14:51:15LinusNah, mr blackhawk
14:51:55GodEater_LinusN: was that in your best "Blofeld" voice ?
14:52:16GodEater_are you going to follow it up with "I've been expecting you", and a gesture towards a nearby pirana infested pond ?
14:52:21LinusNexactly :-)
14:53:12preglowjmspeex: ok, made iir_mem16 a "return;", and it seems qmf_synth is faster
14:53:15jhMikeSNico_P: new patch, same link. no extra thread but all the advantages.
14:53:56preglowjmspeex: for some reason, nb mode is slightly faster with the new .S file, even if iir_mem16 is replaced by a "return;" even then... i hate caches
14:55:00Nico_PjhMikeS: much better :)
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14:58:51preglowjmspeex: yeah, confirmed, order 8 actually got slower, but only by a few percent, i don't get why the combination of new iir_mem16 and qmf_synth slow down so much
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15:01:42mrfreehi all
15:02:02mrfreewhere I can find a rockbox build changelog?
15:02:32linuxstb is the major changes...
15:02:55jhMikeSNico_P: guess that one's committed then
15:03:05Nico_Pcool :)
15:03:13linuxstbmrfree: Or for very detailed changelog, see the "Subversion" table on the home page of the website, and the links underneath it.
15:04:36stripwaxHm - did anyone get back to roxfan[zzz] able to read a certain high density bga flash chip? Was on irc a couple days ago (rio karma). If so wonder if that's a feasible approach for ipod nano 2g/classic
15:04:51jmspeexpreglow: could be code alignment issues
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15:05:50preglowjmspeex: still a bit extreme, i think, but that is the most likely explanation
15:06:41mrfreelinuxstb, ok otherwise I don't know when update my ipod ;)
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15:15:22Zagoraustriancoder: have you investigated what it takes to stream debugf/logf text over serial? there's little point in adding driver switching before the serial driver does anything useful...
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16:31:24Bagdertrying to figure something out about that motorola port is painful
16:31:47Bagderall details are hidden deep within that ad-packed forum
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16:38:41jhMikeSIs there some NDA thing involved for writing apps for it?
16:38:56BagderI doubt it, it runs a variation of Linux
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17:42:07GodEater_ok music fans
17:42:39GodEater_the name of the artist, and the album, that features on the cover : A huge eye in a clear blue sky, looking down at a crouching naked figure in a muddy field.
17:43:18GodEater_which may be male or female, but I can't tell from looking at this
17:44:00*scorche|w wonders if GodEater_ is in the wrong channel
17:44:39GodEater_I just figured someone might know...
17:44:50pixelmascorche|w: maybe he tries to explain a new plugin idea? ;)
17:45:04scorche|wpixelma: maybe! ;)
17:45:24scorche|wif it involved crouching naked figures, i am all for it..
17:46:33GodEater_a multiple guess album cover quiz
17:46:47GodEater_would be better than the spreadsheet version I'm trying to fill in - I'm not getting any clues from that =/
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17:53:17stripwaxGodEater_ - sounds familiar.. one sec...
17:55:06*GodEater_ knew that the audiophiles and music lovers in #rockbox wouldn't let him down
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18:04:09stripwaxyeah, actually I haven't turned up anything after all.
18:07:20stripwaxAny chance you could link to the actual picture?
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18:24:51darkhelmeti just bought a c240 off of and was wondering if i should put rockbox on it
18:24:58darkhelmetwhat's the main advantages
18:25:02darkhelmetbetter audio?
18:25:11iamben_tons more audio formats
18:25:29desowinsane volume control
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18:25:49pixelmadesowin: oh yes
18:25:56*stripwax_ hmms and realises his irc session had just hung, and he's missed out on the last twenty mins
18:25:58scorche|wdarkhelmet: see the wiki page WhyRockbox
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18:26:20scorche|wstripwax_: it wasnt anything special
18:26:54darkhelmetgot it
18:27:02pixelmadarkhelmet: could you check the original firmware version before (it's in their system menu if I remember correctly
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18:27:31darkhelmetpixelma: sorry, how do i check the firmware version?
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18:28:22desowindarkhelmet: settings->about (or informations, whatever it's called)
18:28:31pixelmago to "settings" then "system info"
18:29:21darkhelmetversion 01.01.05p
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18:30:43pixelmaok, Sandisk disabled the MSC mode setting in this particular version
18:31:11darkhelmetam i not able to laod it then
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18:31:43pixelmabut as far as I know you can downgrade to v1.01.00 with Sandisk's firmware updater (but didn't have to do it myself)
18:33:11pixelmayou need MSC mode to put Rockbox on it but it's possible. I've heard of two cases so far - one in the forums, one in the mailing list. Both were successful
18:33:51darkhelmetwell i am getting the firmware updater
18:34:01darkhelmeti have no songs or anything so i am not worried about losing anything
18:34:08darkhelmetjust pulled it out of the packaging
18:34:15darkhelmetso will updating do anything else
18:36:05pixelmais that a question?
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18:36:40darkhelmethehe :)
18:36:49darkhelmetsorry, what does updating the firmware do?
18:37:43darkhelmetfound it on the site
18:40:02stripwax_Can I rely on gcc allocating physical addresses to data declared in a single source file into a contiguous section? (i.e. could it be intermingled with data declared in other source files?)
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18:43:50bertrikstripwax: I don't think so. If you have some data for the .data section and some other data for the .bss section, the data from the source file will not be contiguous
18:45:14stripwax_bertrik - true, but will all .data be contiguous? For example, if I put static bool dummy CACHEALIGN_ATTR at the top and bottom of apps/plugins/pacbox/z80.c , is that going to ensure that ALL the (non-ibss) data used by the z80 engine is going to live at addresses that cannot map to cache entries used by anything else?
18:45:20darkhelmetwell i used to firmwware updater
18:45:33darkhelmetbut i'm still on the same 01.01.05p
18:47:59Lloreanpixelma: Just as an interesting note, my c200 is 1.01.05 and doesn't have a "MSC" mode option, but when connected to my linux box iPodPatcher found it just fine.
18:48:10bertrikstripwax_: as far as I've seen, stuff in .data it is contiguous for one source file, but I have no idea if there's a guarantee for that
18:48:24stripwax_ok, thanks
18:48:44Lloreanpixelma: Wait, 1.01.06p, nevermind. But still, no option for USB mode in the menu, at all.
18:49:07pixelmaLlorean: hmm... now that you tell me, I think I remember advcomp2019 saying this too
18:50:00pixelmaI think he knows best
18:51:13pixelmadarkhelmet: what operating system are you on?
18:54:18pixelmahere's what I found in the mailing list regarding the downgrade - but as I said, I didn't have to do it myself so can't give you more details (and it looks like I already remembered wrong wrt to the updater). Hopefully someone else can confirm/help out
18:57:15pixelmain the forum post someone said he was able to get the c200 into MSC mode by pressing "left" during the boot. Do you get a drive letter in windows explorer if you do that, darkhelmet?
18:57:35darkhelmetlet me try
18:57:44pixelmawith this firmware version I meant
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18:57:48darkhelmeti also found the downgrade on the rockbox forum
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18:59:35darkhelmeti mean it shows up under "my computer" as sansa 240 and then a mp3 player icon
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18:59:43darkhelmetand sansa 240 as a mini tv icon
18:59:52darkhelmetbut holding left didn't do anything
19:06:16pixelmanot a very confident what advise to give here but I always thought that the installation needs the device in normal mass storage mode, anybody else?
19:06:52rp-Hi! somebody know how i can continue browsing through the menu, while usb is plugged in? (sansa e200)
19:07:16pixelmarp-: hold "select" while plugging
19:07:18Lloreanpixelma: As I said, I didn't have to set MSC mode, but I didn't have an option.
19:07:27bertrikrp-: I think the sansa is supposed to reboot
19:07:34rp-pixelma: thx
19:08:07LloreanI'm not sure what firmware version my player first had, since it got corrupted and I never checked. But I then reinstalled/updated with 1.01.06p and the Sansapatcher at least worked without me doing anything special on the player
19:08:15rp-bertrik: I disabled this, I work a bit working on the mass storage
19:08:56pixelmaLlorean: do you think darkhelmet should just try? The worst that it could happen that sansaptcher refuses to work, or...?
19:08:59bertrikrp-: cool, I'd like to work on USB too, but a development cycle just takes soooo long
19:09:18Lloreanpixelma: Yeah, the worst that could happen is Sansapatcher saying "No Sansas detected." No harm.
19:09:41LloreanIt won't actually do anything unless it's fairly sure there's a sansa to do it to.
19:10:34pixelmaok, I would also be interested in the result (maybe the note in the manual isn't needed after all...)
19:11:41bertrikrp-: I think there are still some issues with the basic USB stuff, like stalling the control endpoint
19:13:11darkhelmetok so download the sansapatcher and see what happens?
19:13:22darkhelmetshould i downgrade to 01.01.00a
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19:16:02pixelmawould be interesting (and a helpful information) if you could first try without downgrading, and only downgrade if sansapatcher gives the mentioned error message
19:18:41stripwax_Still no interest in the updated bitmap sliding_puzzle ?
19:19:27darkhelmetpixelma will try that
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19:20:23stripwax_It fixes one of the oldest feature requests although admittedly not for 1bpp targets ..
19:21:24darkhelmetpixelma: says no e200 or c200s detected
19:21:51Lloreanstripwax_: Wouldn't it be better to wait and see if we end up getting bmp resizing in the core? They were talking about a higher quality resize than the existing bitmap resize patch used, last I heard.
19:22:23pixelmadarkhelmet: ah, thanks :)
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19:26:15stripwax_Llorean - they were? I'm sure it had been said that bmp resizing was not going to be in the core (since nothing needs it in the core)
19:26:34*preglow wants resizing in the core
19:26:38preglowas well as jpeg loading...
19:27:19stripwax_reckon sliding_puzzle will ever get updated for color targets? is that really a necessary precondition?
19:27:40preglowfor what?
19:28:07Lloreanstripwax_: It was discussed for album art, now that we have it...
19:29:39stripwax_preglow - is having high quality bmp resizing in the core a necessary precondition for applying the sliding_puzzle bitmap patch (in presumably a modified form that makes use of that bmp resizing in the core)
19:29:47stripwax_Llorean - ok...
19:30:04dreamtheaterIs there any work in progress for the ipod nano 2G, 3G?
19:30:10Lloreandreamtheater: No.
19:30:23Lloreanstripwax_: Why's there such urgency for committing this, honestly?
19:30:41darkhelmetpixelma: i downgraded
19:30:46darkhelmetand now there is a usb option
19:30:48preglowstripwax_: well, i sincerely hope resizing isn't that far away that we'll need to wait long for it anyway
19:31:15stripwax_:) no urgency, just the patch has been around for a while, and I usually ask what needs to be done to get the patch committed, implement that, and ask again, and kinda go round and round like that...
19:31:35preglowstripwax_: only way to get anything commited, so...
19:31:42darkhelmetnow when i run the sansa it finds it
19:32:04stripwax_right. so only way to get it committed now seems to be for (me? who?) to implement bmp resizing in core, is that right?
19:32:18dreamtheaterI'm thinking about getting some good portable audio player, on which rockbox can be run (and I quite liked the nano 2G ;o) )
19:32:30pixelmadarkhelmet: good, don't forget to unzip a current build and you're good to go
19:32:33stripwax_I thought the argument for not putting bmp resizing in the actual albumart commit in svn was that core didn't need it..
19:34:01preglowcore doesn't _need_ it, but album art support is seriously nerfed without it
19:34:10preglowcore _needs_ very few things, i hardly think that's a good argument
19:34:48LloreanI thought the main reason it wasn't already included was more a "I'll get to it later, it still needs work" kinda thing, as well as unhappiness with the current algorithm?
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19:35:09LloreanGet MoB working, then get AA working, and when those kinks are worked out, then add the shiny resize features.
19:35:15preglowLlorean: i think that too, it does need work
19:35:26preglowmob needs more work...
19:35:38preglowstill glitches like a bitch here
19:36:02LloreanI haven't had many/any MoB glitches recently, but my listening habits are probably too simple to trigger anything in casual use.
19:36:19preglowi like to switch to a new track at the very end of another one
19:36:23preglowmob hates that, and it was supposed to fix it
19:36:31preglowand i occasionally get the wrong metadata for a track
19:36:35stripwax_The resize algorithm definitely sucks (not just in terms of quality but implementation too - resizing on the fly while loading the file rather than resizing a buffer in-place).
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19:37:12Lloreanpreglow: See, recently I've been doing a lot of driving, with audiobooks. So no skipping or browsing at all really. Just one long, simple playlist
19:37:12preglowsometimes a bunch of tracks will have metadata that shows a file in the future
19:38:57lostlogicI too have been having metadata issues
19:39:11lostlogicsomething gets out of sync, probably between the buffer and teh static id3 structs
19:39:41lostlogicpreglow: I didn't know MoB was supposed to fix the "last few seconds" bug
19:39:43preglowtoo much weirdness still happens when skipping tracks, basically
19:40:06preglowlostlogic: i thought that was the same issue >
19:40:16lostlogicthat was, is and will always be the providence of playback.c to deal with to know what track to seek/skip in based on what the PCM is playing
19:41:15darkhelmetpixelma: i am going to follow some instructions and let you now how it turns out
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19:43:56Lloreanlostlogic: How come the "Elapsed Time" thing in the WPS doesn't change over to the new track "near the end"? Or rather, if that knows we're still playing the old track, why don't the seeky bits?
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19:46:14lostlogicLlorean: because when I fixed the playback display ~2years ago I didn't add conditions based on it to the other parts ;)
19:46:28lostlogic"because lostlogic is a lazy sack"
19:46:45LloreanSo in other words, a portion of what's needed to fix the problem is sitting around gathering dust?
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19:47:16rp-bertrik: yeah, I know, I'm trying to find out, what happens and what doesn't
19:47:28lostlogiclots of dust on it in my head −− I don't remember what would need done −− I think there are some long standing notes at the top of playback.c that suggest how to fix it
19:48:46lostlogicyep, notes are still there
19:49:03lostlogicthe suggested method should work but is nontrivial
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19:51:05darkhelmethow can i find out how much the c240 can handle microdisk memory wise
19:52:14iamben_you mean microsd card size?
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19:54:22iamben_rockbox supports microsdhc, which is up to.. 4G now?
19:54:45iamben_but the original firmware probably doesnt support sdhc
19:54:59pixelmain theory it should be possible with Rockbox to use microSDHC (up to 32GB) as the e-series but last I heard it didn't work correctly
19:55:07iamben_oh really?
19:55:50pixelmathe problem is that no developer has a C200 and a SDHC card so couldn't take a look
19:55:53LloreanOn the c series, nobody's absolutely confirmed microSDHC has worked for them, and there's been one or two people saying it's not working
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19:56:11LloreanI do intend to pick up a MicroSDHC card next time I see one though
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19:58:23darkhelmetwhat is microsdhc as opposed to microsd
19:59:56iamben_microsd only goes up to 2GB i think, microsd high capacity goes much higher
20:00:18rp-microsdhc is from 4gb up to 32gb
20:01:22rp-beginning of next year there should be a 8gb microsdhc aviable
20:04:52preglowany settings system knowledgable people here who can tell me why the status bar, or at least the battery icon, isn't updated when in a settings list?
20:05:22pixelmaI think there are 8GB cards available already (but haven't seen one here, maybe they only sell them in other places of the world...)
20:05:49Lloreanpreglow: I've noticed that on players with volume buttons, when in any list (menus, filetree) the status bar seems to update very slowly to volume changes
20:06:39desowinpixelma: I think those are SDHC, not microSDHC
20:07:06preglowLlorean: updates just fine here
20:07:20preglowLlorean: i notice now that the battery icon does update if i scroll through list entries
20:08:35lostlogicblah, fixing forward skip during the last few seconds wouldn't be too hard, but fixing backward skip or seek during the last few seconds sucks a donkey dong
20:08:55*lostlogic nominates notme for the task
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20:20:10preglowthink i've found the reason for the lagging statusbar on startup
20:21:08preglowwhy would talk_shutup() spend a long time doing what it does?
20:22:08pixelmaLlorean: may I remind you about the c200 description for the manual, now? :)
20:22:27preglowjhMikeS: here?
20:23:02Lloreanpixelma: Ah, yes, thanks, I am reminded.
20:23:14*Llorean puts it in his current ToDo list.
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20:23:37pixelmathanks :)
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20:26:08dan_aBagder: Around?
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20:31:21preglowamiconn: here?
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20:47:39amiconnpreglow: yep
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20:58:10*Nico_P had never noticed (or completely forgotten about) the notes at the top of playback.c
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20:59:16Nico_Ppreglow: would low-latency help with the track transition issues?
21:01:16preglowamiconn: could you build a new rbspeexenc? voicebox needs updating
21:01:46preglowNico_P: you mean the pcm low latency thing we use for eq and stuff?
21:02:32Nico_Ppreglow: yes, but from your question I guess the answer to my question is no... :)
21:02:32amiconnWhat's the problem with voice box?
21:03:02amiconnI made a bunch of clips just yesterday, no problems
21:04:20preglowamiconn: no problem with it, i just want to include the new volume option for voicebox users as well
21:04:48preglowNico_P: that's not meant for regular use
21:04:53preglowNico_P: and quite frankly, i hate it :)
21:05:01preglowNico_P: doubt it'd help anyway
21:05:12Nico_Pwhy do you hate it I mean
21:06:46preglowNico_P: because it's a hack, it lowers the pcmbuf watermark
21:06:59preglowwhich means music has a higher suscpetibility to skipping when you use it
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21:09:12preglowand anyway, i don't see how it'll help
21:09:17preglowit's a playback issue, not a dsp issue
21:09:36Nico_Pvery true.... I was just a bit confused about the scope
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21:13:20Nico_Pmaybe using jhMikeS' "state machine" approach could help things
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21:14:04preglowoh yes
21:14:48preglowlooks like a nice way to keep track of what you're actually doing
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21:20:53preglowamiconn: thanks
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22:04:08CasainhoHello / good night!!
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22:04:32Bagderhey ho
22:04:46Casainhoanyone knows where, If possible, can I ifnd the datasheet of Portal player used in Sansa_
22:04:53Bagderyou can't
22:05:19Casainhoeheheh >/(
22:05:35dan_aBagder: Just the man!
22:05:51Casainhoso, how people discovered how to work with some parts of PP_
22:05:57dan_aDo you know the file format for V2 Sansa firmwares?
22:06:07preglowCasainho: reverse engineering
22:06:12Bagderdan_a: nope, but I've been starting to look at it
22:06:45dan_aCould I have a copy of the data sheet?
22:07:04Casainhobut, reverse enginiereing code _ / to understande what registers do_
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22:07:38preglowCasainho: this is why we don't have anything nearing full documentation of the pp chips
22:07:46preglowit's slow and complicated work
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22:08:17Casainhooh man, thats hard...
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22:25:22preglowjhMikeS: is there any reason talk_shutup() should spend a long time doing what it does?
22:25:50JohannesVoggenthhi there!
22:28:38JohannesVoggenthI have finished a wps and would like to submit it the wiki. can somebody here give me write permissions?
22:30:42Bagderuh no
22:30:46*Bagder spelled it wrong
22:32:07Bagdernow it should work
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22:36:23Lars_G_you guys should check today
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22:36:49tmccraryHi, I have an Sansa e250, how do I uninstall rockbox?
22:37:14tmccraryI am trying the "hit power and hold left" to get into the original firmware and it still boots into the rockbox firmware
22:37:17desowintmccrary: use sansapatcher to delete bootloader and remove the .rockbox directory
22:37:39desowinhit powe, and wait until it goes completly off
22:37:41tmccraryHow do I use the sansapatcher, as from the rockbox firmware USB doesn't work?
22:38:07desowinthen either plug in usb, or press power button, and quickly hold left button
22:38:49tmccraryhmm, when I plug in the usb, it goes SanDisk screen, white flash, SanDisk screen, white flash, etc
22:39:30desowinwhat bootloader did you install?
22:41:27tmccraryI install Sansa E200
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22:41:57tmccraryI used sansapatcher when the original firmware was installed
22:42:12tmccraryI want to go back to the original firmware, but I cannot use sansapatcher as USB isn't supported.
22:42:31desowinit's weird that it doesn't let you boot into OF
22:43:00tmccraryi am holding the left button down and it's siting at the sandisk screen
22:43:37desowinwell, there's SansaE200Unbrick - I've used it once when I played with svn bootloader, but beware if you do something wrong here you can brick your player
22:44:01Bagdertmccrary: just use the recovery mode and put the OF mi4 there
22:44:13Lars_G_Are sansas terminally brickable? (that is, for someone without a jtag and lots of patience)
22:44:25BagderLars_G_: no
22:44:35Bagdernot to my knowledge at least
22:44:37tmccrarywhere do I get the OF mi4?
22:44:48Lars_G_Anyhow, check woot. speaking of sansas
22:44:52Bagdermost "bricks" are just people without patience or clues
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22:45:01tmccraryah, found it
22:45:15Lars_G_e260 for $50 + $5 shipping
22:45:57tmccrarythere are like 10 different OF
22:46:22BagderLars_G_: "we do not ship outside of the continental United States"
22:46:45desowinLars_G_: they has 2gb one for 15$+shipping one day
22:46:49tmccraryIs there a way to tell which firmware I should install or just the newest one>
22:47:00desowinLars_G_: also it rather fits into #rockbox-community imo
22:47:02Bagdertmccrary: you pick
22:47:22tmccraryBadger: What do you mean?
22:47:33BagderI mean it doesn't matter. at all
22:47:39Bagderfor Rockbox or us
22:47:42Bagderjust for you
22:47:48BagderI have no idea how they differ...
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22:53:39tmccraryah, such garbage
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23:01:37JohannesVoggenthsubmitted my theme. thank you badger, for giving me permissions
23:02:05stripwaxIs there a mailing list one could subscribe to, to get notifications of new patches, bug reports, etc? Other than the weekly 'open patches' mails?
23:02:17rasherstripwax: rockbox-sf .. check the mailing list page
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23:08:02rashermoos: what are you comparing by eye, that needs strings to come in same order? If it's one string, you're just going to search for the ID anyway, surely?
23:08:34moosyup but like I said you that's more conventional than made for utility ;)
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23:09:15moosbut I'm not against it, since that's just a detail
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23:09:39Nico_PJohannesVoggenth: very nice theme, as I said in the forum...
23:10:20rashermoos: well, it shouldn't be terribly hard to do, but I'm not really convinced it's better. Current output is the same as if the user had used genlang.
23:11:04moosI know, that's just that we always used this rules by *convention* (again)
23:11:39rasherWhere was this convention established? Again, my script has not done any reordering that I'm aware of
23:12:22JohannesVoggenththank you, nico
23:12:30rasherI'm not really sure how languages got out of order, but I'm inclined to blame genlang
23:12:31moosrasher: hehe :) I just repeat again the thing I noticed in those translation patches pending using your usuful tool
23:14:14*moos regrets to speak about his observation to rasher ;)
23:16:00rashermoos: I just don't understand why it's necessary. Genlang does the hard work, and marks points for translators to take care of. If you're doing francais.lang by hand, I understand why it's helpful to have it in the same order, but that's not the norm
23:17:27moosrasher: please don't mix up things, I spoke about one rule that we always follow, but feel free to change if you want, please mention it in the wiki language page then
23:17:40rasherWhich rule are you talking about?
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23:18:28peturJohannesVoggenth: the download link does not work...
23:19:21moosrasher: I spoke about all translations made before you released your tool/script, folow the master file order...but seems I speak for nothing and about a detail...
23:19:39rasherYou're wrong. My script hasn't changed anything.
23:20:40donsdwAm I suppose to put a .fmr file inside a directory?
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23:21:02tmccraryAlright, after much screwing around, I have gotten rid of the virus called Rockbox. Thanks for the tips everyone! :)
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23:21:26moosrasher: sorry for annoyance, nevermind...just that people wanted to update her language file but the strings aren't ordered in the same way, but *nevermind*.
23:21:41rashermoos: again, this is not my fault.
23:22:07rashermoos: you're completely ignoring what I've been telling you. My script keeps strings in the same order as they were. As does genlang.
23:22:25moosrasher: that the fault to no one, (hope you didn't misinterpreted the remark made, that wasn't agaisnt you :)
23:22:46krazykitdonsdw, what are you trying to do?
23:23:07donsdwJust add my first fm preset.
23:23:39rashermoos: if you want the strings in a particular language ordered as in english.lang, feel free to do so, but it's not the job of genlang to change the order
23:23:44donsdwI don't know whether to put it in .rockbox or create a directory inside or outside of .rockbox.
23:23:51rasherAnd if it does, that's a bug.
23:24:07rasherWhich should be filed against genlang ("build system")
23:25:11moosrasher, yup I know, that's just that before no translators submitted patches like this, then we could ignore this convention now?
23:25:30moosand let's genlang made the job
23:25:40krazykitdonsdw, the wiki page claims you can put it anywhere you like, but appears to suggest that "/.rockbox/fmpresets/" is an option
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23:26:09rashermoos: Nothing has changed. Nothing. Absolutely nothing at all. My script does everything in the exact same way as genlang. Because it *uses* genlang internally.
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23:26:48donsdwrasher: thanks very much. I just discovered the wiki and will be reading it now.
23:27:05donsdwoops I mean thank you krazykit
23:28:11krazykitdonsdw, ah, the FmPresets page is more explicit than the other pages seem to be as to how auto-loading the presets works
23:28:21amiconnrasher: Before langv2, uplang (which is now part of genlang) was able to sort strings into english.lang order
23:29:06moosamiconn: thanks, I bagan to think I was being crazy :)
23:29:11Bagderbut did we ever do that?
23:29:14rasherit should do this *only* when adding new strings, imho
23:29:17rasherif at all
23:29:20donsdwkrazykit: thanks again, I looking now.
23:29:34amiconnBagder: We definitely did
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23:30:01moosBagder: before the rasher's tool, that was more easy to update languages following the english file order
23:30:04amiconnAnd imo it's a very useful feature - it's easier to spot mistakes this way
23:30:19Bagdermoos: I don't see how rasher's tool changed anything of that
23:30:22rashermoos: no. Shut up and read. MY TOOL DOES NOT MATTER
23:30:23moosamiconn: same think
23:30:43moosrasher: please don't begin to be offensive for nothing
23:31:07rashermoos: for nothing? You're trying to claim I'm breaking conventions, when I do everything the same way as the official way
23:31:20rashermoos: and I've explained this to you about a dozen times now
23:31:27donsdwkrazykit: the FmPresets page seems to be about sharing. I haven't seen where to load yet.
23:32:25donsdwIt suggest /.rockbox/fmpresets as you suggested.
23:33:07rashermoos: I'm sorry, but I can only take so much undeserved blame before I get annoyed.
23:33:11krazykitdonsdw, are you putting the .fmr onto your player or are you trying to add it to the wiki?
23:33:31moosrasher: then please "read and shut up" too what I said you, I didn't claimed that *you* broke any convention, I just made the error to report you one observation that I saw with patches submitted and used the tool. Sorry for the annoyance then
23:33:38donsdwkrazykit: Onto my player.
23:33:57donsdwI'm having another problem, though.
23:34:20krazykitdonsdw, the second line explaind what to do with the files. what's the other problem?
23:34:22rashermoos: and yet you keep babbling about things changing after my tool. Nothing has changed.
23:34:30preglowmoos: you did seem to imply rasher's tool changed things, though
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23:35:29rashermoos: Please understand that my tool yields the exact same results as using genlang. There is no change, and no difference.
23:35:32donsdwI'm in play mode, but cannot get to the Settings menu. Left arrow puts me in Context Menu.
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23:36:11krazykitdonsdw, on what player?
23:36:12JohannesVoggenthpetur, the download link is working now
23:36:33donsdwAnother left arrow returns me to the play screen. I can't get past the Context Menu or play screen.
23:36:46test12343223mmm ... im crazy if i said that i listen a flac track and another track is playing in the background of the flac one at the same time ?
23:36:49moosno changed things, that's just due to langv2 changes but before translators didn't use genlang for update the translations, then we always used for easabilty same order that's english for easy compare and differences checking. Now if we say that we don't follow the english order, that's not a problem
23:38:04rasherI don't really see which mistakes are easier to spot?
23:38:22preglowmy player is full of voice clips with truncated file names :/
23:38:43rasherpreglow: err
23:39:18moosrasher: personnally I don't care that just if we say translations could not follow the same order that english, translators have to know out, no?
23:40:05rasherWas there ever a rule that translations must follow the order of english.lang? Wasn't it just "use uplang/genlang" and all will be fine?
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23:40:54moosrasher: that's just with the years the things became a habbit, and that's true that's for eyes comparaison that could be better for easy match a difference
23:41:09rasherWhat kind of difference?
23:41:31krazykitdonsdw, i'm really unfamiliar with radio stuff. for now, all i can really say is to use the latest build, and check the manual for what they keymaps are
23:41:51moosrasher: line by line comparaison...and not have to search for a string...
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23:42:18donsdwOkay krazykit. Thanks a lot for your time.
23:42:21moosrasher: but then again that's just a detail
23:42:28preglowrasher: progressed any more with the xml voice stuff, btw?
23:42:30rasherBut why do you need to do line by line comparisons? Surely using genlang points out problem areas?
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23:42:42pixelmarasher: it was really easier to spot mistakes (like missing 'featurexyz: "blah"' in the dest and voice parts if you can view the 2 files side by side
23:42:59moospixelma: exaclty
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23:43:03rasherpixelma: but that's a problem that arose because you didn't use genlang in the first place...
23:43:13pixelmaI did
23:43:19rasherThen there's a bug in genlang
23:43:23rasherunrelated to ordering
23:43:42pixelmabut it only points out differences in the source part and lang IDs
23:43:56rasherwell that's a bug and should be fixed, obviously
23:44:06rasherpreglow: s/voice/language/ you mean? Not really. I put my current state in the tracker
23:44:26pixelmayes, sure. If that's fixed order doesn't matter
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23:45:33moosyup, and since we made this doesn't matter for one language,that will maybe made more people using genlang and agin rasher your *usuful* tool
23:45:40preglowrasher: oh, yeah, lang
23:45:45preglowused to talking about voice
23:46:08preglowi still think xml lang is a good idea
23:46:23BagderI'm for it as well
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23:46:44preglowthe lang files are getting so large that tools are needed to work efficiently with them now, imho
23:46:51preglowand the format is practically xml already
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23:51:03darkhelmetdoes the sansa c200 series not play video at all?
23:51:26moosgood night all, and sorry again rasher If I involantary offended you, that wasn't my intention
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23:55:13darkhelmetalso, does anyone know how to change the time settings
23:55:20darkhelmetit says it;s the year 2080
23:55:26darkhelmetand an hour ahead
23:56:42Bagderdarkhelmet: tried the manual?

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