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| 00:00:04 | preglow | true |
| 00:00:14 | preglow | amiconn: but then again, making the binary relocate itself shouldn't be much bother either |
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| 00:01:07 | Nico_P | Llorean: I just read about real's response, quite good news :) |
| 00:01:16 | Nico_P | have you set up a phone meeting time? |
| 00:01:21 | amiconn | Next one, as I think we should do it on all targets. The G5/G5.5 30GB vs. 60/80GB isn't the only target with variable ram size, there are also H120 vs. H100, and even stock vs. 8MB-modded archoses |
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| 00:02:00 | preglow | amiconn: h120/h100 has other changes too, right? |
| 00:02:04 | amiconn | On archos, there is no bootloader, we use the archos loader. Telling it to load rockbox at an offset might be tricky, or even impossible.... |
| 00:02:07 | preglow | amiconn: would be cool having them as one binary, though |
| 00:02:17 | amiconn | preglow: The only other difference is the spdif enable polarity |
| 00:02:26 | preglow | amiconn: well, that makes it clear, then, binary should relocate itself. doesn't sound too hard to me |
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| 00:02:51 | Zagor | here is some information around why linux kernel modules must be GPL-compatible: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Kernel/proprietary-kernel-modules.html |
| 00:02:57 | amiconn | No, but relocating the major part of the binary increases boot time |
| 00:03:08 | preglow | amiconn: should be negligible |
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| 00:03:24 | amiconn | Zagor: I don't want to know why kernel modules need to be gpl compatible, but why applications don't |
| 00:03:38 | Zagor | amiconn: because applications aren't linked to linux |
| 00:03:43 | amiconn | They still interact with the os in the end, because without the os, they could not be run |
| 00:03:52 | Zagor | interaction is not derivation |
| 00:04:23 | Llorean | Alright, I should be speaking with him sometime between 1:30 and 2:00 PST tomorrow |
| 00:05:19 | preglow | Llorean: extremely cool, looking forward to hearing about it |
| 00:06:04 | Zagor | amiconn: also the parts that applications link (libc for example) is LGPL and not GPL |
| 00:06:16 | mud-rb | there's some info in the GPL FAQ here that's sort of related: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#MereAggregation basically GNU seems to think it depends on what form the interaction between modules takes |
| 00:06:46 | Llorean | preglow: I certainly hope he at least has some ideas we haven't explored. :) |
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| 00:07:33 | fenugrec | Anyone have the Sigmatel SDK for STMP3600 devices ? While I'm at it, the STMP3650 datasheet? |
| 00:07:41 | Shaid | what time is it PST at the moment? |
| 00:07:56 | mud-rb | 15:08 |
| 00:08:56 | * | amiconn recommends /ctcp time :) |
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| 00:10:10 | krazykit | or google ;-) |
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| 00:14:02 | webguest29 | Hi, I've been using rockbox on a Toshiba Gigabeat F40 for a couple months, but the thing has been acting funny lately, freezing, lagging etc. I want to wipe the drive clean and start over, is there a special way to do this? |
| 00:15:22 | markun | webguest29: completely replace .rockbox and GBSYSTE/FWIMG/FWIMG02.DAT |
| 00:15:37 | markun | other things shouldn't matter |
| 00:16:57 | webguest29 | Thank you, markun. |
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| 00:17:57 | markun | if you don't plan to boot back into the original firmware, you can replace the whole GBSYSTEM folder with a dummy one from our wiki |
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| 00:18:33 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/GigabeatFXPort?rev=3;filename=GBSYSTEM.zip |
| 00:18:38 | ken | I posted the Gigabeat flash disk conversion on the forums. Anybody have any ideas about sector read errors? |
| 00:19:01 | Zagor | ken: after sleep? |
| 00:19:02 | markun | webguest29: but FWIMG02.DAT is not included in that zip file, so you need to download it separately |
| 00:19:32 | ken | I commented out the sleep code in ata.c just like was suggested for the ipod mini with flash. |
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| 00:20:36 | ken | I got the error during a database operation, and sometimes during bootup (check sum error reported) |
| 00:20:46 | webguest29 | markun: that would explain why I haven't been able to find it!! Thank you again. |
| 00:21:18 | markun | webguest29: oops, should have been FWIMG01.DAT |
| 00:21:19 | markun | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/gigabeat/FWIMG01.DAT |
| 00:21:24 | Zagor | ken: if would be nice to get a hexdump of the IDENTIFY sector/response from your flash. |
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| 00:21:41 | markun | webguest29: most info should be in here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPor |
| 00:21:47 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort |
| 00:21:52 | ken | zagor: how do I get that? |
| 00:22:25 | Zagor | ken: you need to modify the code a bit. can you program a little? |
| 00:22:34 | magenpie | hi people...i'm sure this question has been asked a lot...but i just got a new sansa e280 from Dell 1/2hr ago and it's v2 |
| 00:22:43 | magenpie | i'm so bummed |
| 00:23:09 | ken | zagor: sure (I'm a software engineer) |
| 00:23:09 | magenpie | is there any hope for me to have rockbox at some point in 2008? lol |
| 00:23:22 | magenpie | i'm really tempted to send it back |
| 00:23:24 | krazykit | magenpie, then you're currently out of luck. there is some work being done, but there is NO timeline |
| 00:23:41 | magenpie | ty for quick reply |
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| 00:24:14 | magenpie | i had done a little research and felt pretty confident that i would be getting v1 |
| 00:24:46 | Zagor | ken: ok good. write a small function that creates a file and writes the ata.c:identify_info buffer to it. |
| 00:24:57 | markun | magenpie: it might happen soon, it might not. Hard to predict right now. |
| 00:24:59 | magenpie | it might be difficult for any online seller to be able to tell me which version i would be getting |
| 00:25:26 | krazykit | magenpie, refurbs and ebay would give you the best bets, most likely |
| 00:25:45 | Zagor | ken: you can call it for example in apps/main.c:app_main() just after init() |
| 00:26:00 | ken | Zagor: I guess I just don't know where the identify_info is located. I'm not that familar with the CF hardware. |
| 00:26:29 | Zagor | ken: it's a buffer in the ata driver. it's already read out from the disk by rockbox. you simply have to save the variable content. |
| 00:27:02 | Zagor | ata driver: firmware/drivers/ata.c |
| 00:27:15 | ken | zagor: Do you know the variable name, or what I can search for in the file. |
| 00:27:40 | Zagor | static unsigned short identify_info[SECTOR_SIZE]; |
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| 00:29:18 | ken | zagor: sounds like the mbr/partition table. I can read that by connecting the player to my computer and dd'ing the raw device to a file. |
| 00:30:55 | Zagor | no, that's not it. the buffer is the response to the IDENTIFY ata command. it contains lots of technical information about the disk and it's capabilities. |
| 00:33:17 | ken | zagor: ok, that makes sense. I'll look through the ata.c file later and figure out how to capture that and write it to a file. Maybe I can add that to the debug menu, or just do it the first time the main menu is displayed. |
| 00:34:25 | Zagor | ken: since it's a one-time thing I'd call it in app_main() in apps/main.c, just after init(). then boot it once and you're done. |
| 00:35:10 | ken | zagor: actually I wonder if that is somehow available from the usb storage driver such that hacking fdisk would expose it? |
| 00:35:36 | Zagor | also it's not something you need to capture. just fd=open("identify.txt"); write(fd,identify_info,512); close(fd) |
| 00:35:53 | amiconn | Haha, .txt |
| 00:36:11 | Zagor | heh, too fast fingers :) |
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| 00:36:36 | amiconn | .bin would be appropriate. But still, it's an easy thing to do |
| 00:36:45 | Zagor | ken: yes, but usb storage is scsi so it translates that block into a scsi INQUIRY response first. the raw buffer would be better. |
| 00:37:16 | amiconn | Zagor: Regarding the hen-and-egg problem of a gdb stub - we do have a gdb stub for SH (which I even used a bit quite some time ago) |
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| 00:37:34 | Zagor | amiconn: yes I know. the hen-and-egg problem was regarding gdb over usb |
| 00:37:48 | ken | zagor: yeah standard file creation calls. looks like rockbox io calls are similar to 'nix in syntax. That's good, standard C. Yeah, I forgot about the scsi layer in there. |
| 00:38:23 | amiconn | With that, the stub has to be loaded first, which can be done either via the serial rom monitor, or by booting it like a normal firmware |
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| 00:38:44 | amiconn | The latter would also work for usb if I am not missing something |
| 00:39:48 | amiconn | So there is in fact no hen-and-egg problem |
| 00:40:28 | amiconn | The stub is booted like you'd normally boot rockbox, then connected to gdb via serial-over-usb. Gdb would then transfer the main binary, and start it |
| 00:40:31 | ken | zagor: is that your rockbox user id? I won't get to hacking the thing tonight, but I can post the dump to the forum or send you a message on rockbox. |
| 00:41:05 | Zagor | yes, zagor is my username in the forum |
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| 00:41:14 | ken | zagor: my rockbox id is scharkalvin (I posted the gigabeat flash conversion thread in the hw forum) |
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| 00:43:17 | Zagor | amiconn: yeah I guess it could be made to work. |
| 00:45:22 | * | Nico_P reads about a cloverflow clone for rockbox: http://ariya.blogspot.com/2007/12/attack-of-clones-or-pictureflow-ing.html |
| 00:45:41 | Nico_P | that blog post was published on planetKDE |
| 00:46:03 | scorche|w | hrm...why dont they at least mention it to us? |
| 00:46:19 | Nico_P | apparently a guy from trolltech did it |
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| 00:46:53 | alanic | how do I boot my ipod with its original firmware? |
| 00:47:31 | Shaid | hold down menu as you turn it on |
| 00:47:43 | Llorean | Nico_P: Made a patch, and then completely neglected to post it anywhere or discuss it anywhere around us? |
| 00:48:04 | Nico_P | Llorean: me? :p |
| 00:48:26 | alanic | Shaid: sweet, thanks. |
| 00:48:43 | Llorean | Nico_P: Whoever made the coverflow plugin. I'm curious why he's not on our forums or the patch tracker, y'know? |
| 00:48:53 | Nico_P | no idea, no |
| 00:48:53 | * | pixelma wants to see the coverflow on an Archos Jukebox, as the last paragraph suggests ;D |
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| 00:49:09 | alanic | Shaid: I wanted that just because it seems I can't listen to music with rockbox while it's charging... |
| 00:49:11 | * | scorche|w cant see the site...damn websense =/ |
| 00:49:12 | Llorean | pixelma: Shiny reflections and all? |
| 00:49:16 | Nico_P | "The code needs some polish, before I dare to release it" |
| 00:49:27 | Nico_P | that's in the youtube video description |
| 00:49:27 | Llorean | I hate that statement so much. |
| 00:49:30 | pixelma | Llorean: sure, everything :) |
| 00:49:58 | scorche|w | ugh...not another youtube video...we are going to get tons of "i saw rockbox did xxxx on youtube!" |
| 00:49:59 | Shaid | I'm pretty sure there's a way to tell it to only charge on usb connection, alanic |
| 00:50:03 | Shaid | I just don't remember it right now. |
| 00:50:31 | Llorean | pixelma: I want to see it on the c200, with tiny, tiny cover art images. |
| 00:50:55 | Nico_P | I hope he added the buggering API to the plugin API to load the AA :) |
| 00:51:09 | Nico_P | or buffering... :p |
| 00:51:23 | Llorean | It probably uses compiled in images at the moment. |
| 00:51:24 | scorche|w | buggering works too =P |
| 00:51:56 | Llorean | I'd do the algorithm first, then worry about actually making it use album art. :) |
| 00:52:07 | pixelma | Llorean: album art looks kinda decorative in 40x40 (I tried) but you would need to know the cover very well - only in rare case you can read album title or artist :) |
| 00:52:09 | Nico_P | indeed |
| 00:52:17 | Llorean | Nico_P: Could album art be stored in, and retreived from, the database? |
| 00:52:25 | Llorean | "Coverflow" if it happens, could be a database only feature. |
| 00:52:26 | Nico_P | Llorean: no |
| 00:52:30 | Llorean | Why not? |
| 00:52:59 | Nico_P | oops I misunderstood, sorry. maybe it could, but it would make the database much larger |
| 00:53:23 | Llorean | Yes, I'm sure |
| 00:53:35 | Llorean | But we could just index the filenames perhaps |
| 00:53:37 | Nico_P | storing paths to AA could work though |
| 00:53:55 | Llorean | Exactly |
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| 00:54:25 | Llorean | For coverflow to work, you'd need a list of albums, and a list of cover bitmaps associated with each of those albums, which pretty much requires either the database, or coverflow to generate its own database (or scan on every run, ick) |
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| 00:56:16 | Nico_P | storing the AA path for each album would be super sweet. I can already see a nice album selection screen |
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| 00:56:45 | alanic | Shaid: ooh I need to hold menu button while inserting cable. |
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| 00:58:14 | petur | if I call lcd_puts_style_offset() with y = 5 and style = 0xa0000501, why doesn't it paint the gradient? |
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| 01:01:18 | * | petur looks at Nico_P |
| 01:02:27 | Nico_P | petur: gradient style is 0x80000000 |
| 01:02:28 | * | linuxstb looks at the youtube video and is impressed with pictureflow |
| 01:02:48 | Nico_P | petur: you need to use the values defined in lcd.h |
| 01:03:10 | petur | Nico_P: just saw that and tried with 80000000 - still the same :( |
| 01:03:16 | Llorean | linuxstb: It's certainly very shiny. |
| 01:03:20 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I'm trying to find contact info for the guy who ported it |
| 01:04:36 | Nico_P | petur: you need to indicate the gradient style, the number of lines and the current line. see list.c:378 |
| 01:05:00 | linuxstb | The original pictureflow source appears to be here - http://pictureflow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/pictureflow-qt4/ |
| 01:06:12 | petur | Nico_P: I do, the endresult is 0x80000501 (line 5, height 1) |
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| 01:07:45 | * | petur thinks Angel Dust from Faith No More is a good cover to start a demo :) |
| 01:08:27 | Nico_P | petur: the 5 shouldn't be a 5 |
| 01:08:54 | Nico_P | this value is used when more than one line is selected |
| 01:09:46 | petur | I'm not following |
| 01:09:52 | Nico_P | unless your selection is 5 lines... you probably want that value to be 1 |
| 01:10:08 | petur | isn't this CURLN_PACK ? |
| 01:10:15 | Nico_P | you use MAXLN_PACK to tell the gradient code how much lines the gradient will span over |
| 01:10:22 | petur | I do |
| 01:10:37 | petur | MAXLN_PACK(1) |
| 01:10:45 | Nico_P | hmm yeah sorry, but the issue is the same. CURLN is 1 too |
| 01:11:11 | Nico_P | I'm confused |
| 01:12:00 | Nico_P | petur: sorry, I think I need A couple minutes alone with the code :) |
| 01:12:38 | petur | maybe tomorrow then, I need some sleep... |
| 01:13:40 | preglow | linuxstb: i've removed some of the stuff lear put in to fix aac at times because things work better now, should i just commit the sync and see if it breaks for people or wait for lear to verify his files still work? all my files do, at least |
| 01:14:15 | preglow | linuxstb: faad has such a short revision log that it should be fast to check if any old fixes are still applied |
| 01:14:44 | Nico_P | petur: I think the value needs to be 1 |
| 01:14:50 | Nico_P | could you try with that? |
| 01:14:57 | petur | just a sec |
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| 01:16:17 | petur | Nico_P: yup |
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| 01:16:36 | petur | Nico_P: this is _very_ confusing and illogical imho |
| 01:16:57 | Nico_P | petur: the CURLN indicates the number of the line within the selection |
| 01:17:06 | Nico_P | but I got confused too |
| 01:17:09 | petur | ah |
| 01:17:54 | Nico_P | the CURLN only relates to the gradient, not to the position of the text on the screen |
| 01:18:15 | petur | is it not 0 based? |
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| 01:18:36 | Nico_P | no |
| 01:18:51 | amiconn | tsk |
| 01:19:34 | Nico_P | I agree it probably should be |
| 01:20:20 | petur | hmmm what values does it need for a 2 line gradient? both set to 2 ? |
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| 01:20:55 | Nico_P | petur: yes, for the second line |
| 01:21:11 | Nico_P | the first would have MAXLN=2 and CURLN=1 |
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| 01:21:41 | petur | right... |
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| 01:24:02 | petur | I'll need to wrap my brain around that concept, maybe it works better tomorrow |
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| 01:32:41 | * | Nico_P found an email address for Jonas Hurrelmann, the guy who ported pictureflow |
| 01:33:24 | * | amiconn is undecided whether he should laugh, cry, or do something yet different regarding this coverflow stuff |
| 01:34:04 | Nico_P | amiconn: what's the problem with it? it runs as a plugin and pleases some people |
| 01:34:26 | amiconn | I mean in general... |
| 01:34:45 | Nico_P | ah... people like eye candy :) |
| 01:35:28 | amiconn | Apart from that, I am curious how this plugin manages memory in order to not stop playback and at the same time not eat the battery by spinning the disk all the time |
| 01:35:57 | Llorean | amiconn: I'm still betting that the plugin in the video just has the images either compiled in, or loaded into a static buffer at startup. |
| 01:36:24 | Nico_P | amiconn: we could imagine it using the AA bitmaps loaded for the current tracks :) |
| 01:36:30 | preglow | what the hell |
| 01:36:35 | * | preglow sees pictureflow |
| 01:36:39 | Llorean | A demonstration of the algorithm rather than of it actually working. |
| 01:36:48 | * | amiconn likes stability, usability, efficiency, and functionality, roughly in that order |
| 01:37:05 | amiconn | Eyecandy comes at the low low end |
| 01:37:19 | preglow | looks really nice, it does |
| 01:37:38 | Llorean | Well the math for it ought to be pretty simple. |
| 01:37:55 | amiconn | And I bet I can select an album a 100 times faster from a list than from those album thumbnails |
| 01:37:57 | Llorean | I mean Doom does pretty much the same thing, on a larger scale. |
| 01:38:04 | preglow | it is |
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| 01:38:33 | preglow | the drawing is the easy part, really, buffering images fast enough is the hard part :> |
| 01:38:43 | amiconn | Heck, for many albums I have I don't even remember how the cover looks like... because I bought it, ripped it, and put it away |
| 01:39:07 | mud-rb | yeah, coverflow seems like one of those things i'd appreciate a lot more if i actually knew any of the cover art for my music |
| 01:39:39 | Nico_P | amiconn: I think you'll agree that your inclinations are quite different from most of the people who use rockbox nowadays :) |
| 01:40:00 | preglow | i'd probably use pictureflow every once in a while |
| 01:40:03 | preglow | but just for the novelty of it |
| 01:40:04 | PaulJam | it certainly looks nice, but i don't really see the practical purpose. i have ~300 albums on my device and wouldn't want to seek through 300 pictures to find an album. |
| 01:40:37 | preglow | yeah, it's wildly impractical if you actually know what music you have |
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| 01:41:39 | Mouser_X | I removed all the album art on my Gigabeat, to make more room for music... |
| 01:41:49 | * | preglow would love album art |
| 01:41:57 | pixelma | preglow: and then it would not help at all if you don't even know what music you have... |
| 01:41:59 | preglow | but i can't be bothered to resize all of it |
| 01:42:11 | Nico_P | preglow: it's easy as pie with a little script |
| 01:42:42 | preglow | pixelma: well, i've picked up several cds after liking their cover and listening to them because of that, the same applies here if you don't know what music you have :) |
| 01:42:42 | amiconn | That's one problem with current daps... instead of increasing capacity, they become loaded with hundreds of nearly-useless to completely useless additional features |
| 01:42:43 | Nico_P | the AA wiki page even has examples |
| 01:42:58 | Llorean | Has anyone used the Coverflow feature on an actual apple device? Does it then let you pick tracks? Can you queue an album? Or is it just a method for playing whole "discs" |
| 01:43:03 | Mouser_X | amiconn: My thoughts are pretty close to yours, in regards to stuff. However, "looking pretty" is probably higher on my scale than yours. The stuff you listed is certainly among the first though. |
| 01:43:08 | * | amiconn would *love* to see rockbox ported to the ipod classic - above all for the storage capacity |
| 01:43:18 | * | preglow too |
| 01:43:20 | Nico_P | amiconn: it's easier and cheaper to write useless features than to increase the storage capacity |
| 01:43:38 | amiconn | Well apple actually does both |
| 01:43:47 | PaulJam | Mouser_X: and how much additional space did you get? my covers only take 10MB of disk space. |
| 01:44:11 | amiconn | They have (afaik) the largest capacity hdd based dap, as well as the largest capacity flash based dap (although with a crappy touch interface) |
| 01:44:25 | Nico_P | yeah apple on the classic would be sweet. we can hope those HDD will spread though |
| 01:44:56 | amiconn | Nico_P: The 160GB hdd from the classic doesn't fit any of our targets |
| 01:45:00 | Mouser_X | PaulJam: No idea, but I figure, if I'm not using it, why waste the space? Not only that, but I have tons of small file types. With 10 MB, I can easily fit 1-7 days worth of music. |
| 01:45:05 | amiconn | It's CE-ATA |
| 01:45:41 | preglow | hcs: and all of that metadata is handled in metadata/spc.c? |
| 01:45:58 | Nico_P | ah |
| 01:46:11 | hcs | preglow: yes. nsf/nsfe is going to need some work in that regard, though |
| 01:46:26 | preglow | hcs: yep |
| 01:46:28 | Nico_P | amiconn: couldn't the manufacturers build 160 GB disks that use other interfaces? |
| 01:46:52 | amiconn | Of course they could - the question is whether they'll do, and I bet they won't |
| 01:47:03 | amiconn | Seeing what happened on the 2.5" front... |
| 01:47:20 | hcs | preglow: I figured I should fix what's dead simple now rather than waiting for time to do the other right |
| 01:47:31 | amiconn | ...there will soon be 300GB 2.5" hdds, but all new ones are SATA, PATA stopped at 160GB ... |
| 01:47:50 | preglow | hcs: remember to close the bug report, then |
| 01:48:06 | preglow | unless you already did, i can't remember |
| 01:48:29 | hcs | preglow: doh, I'd forgotten about it |
| 01:48:33 | preglow | amiconn: ce-ata? |
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| 01:49:59 | preglow | hcs: can you close bug reports? |
| 01:50:30 | amiconn | preglow: ATA via serial protocol (MMC). There are versions with 12-pin and 18-pin connectors |
| 01:50:41 | preglow | amiconn: bah |
| 01:50:54 | hcs | preglow: yes. I just meant I should've included a reference to the FS# in the commit message |
| 01:51:13 | preglow | hcs: that's ok |
| 01:57:46 | * | Nico_P emailed the pictureflow guy |
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| 01:58:11 | Nico_P | bedtime now |
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| 01:58:35 | * | jott is the pictureflow guy :) |
| 01:59:06 | hcs | ooh, let's see you and amiconn duke it out |
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| 02:01:58 | safetydan | jott: so you'll be posting it on the tracker soon then? :) |
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| 02:02:53 | Clint | are there known issues with tags in vorbiscomments being ignored after certain positions/characters/tags? |
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| 02:04:37 | jott | safetydan: yes.. this weekend ;) |
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| 02:05:00 | safetydan | Clint: there will be a size limit at least |
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| 02:05:37 | Clint | safetydan: are there practical reasons for that? |
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| 02:07:15 | safetydan | Clint: yup. Only so much space is allocated to storing metadata. If we allow too much space for metadata, then we waste memory. |
| 02:07:55 | Clint | safetydan: what about discarding the tags i don't care about? |
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| 02:08:32 | safetydan | already done as far as I can see. Rockbox only stores the tags it uses. |
| 02:08:59 | Clint | so the issue I'm having involves ARTIST/ALBUM/TITLE not being picked up unless they're early on in the comment block |
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| 02:09:25 | safetydan | ah that |
| 02:09:45 | Clint | different issue? |
| 02:10:59 | safetydan | Yes. I thought you were talking about per comment limits, not total comment block size limits. |
| 02:11:27 | safetydan | It's a similar issue though. There's only so much space to read metadata in to memory. So if your tag is outside that size then it won't be read in. |
| 02:12:19 | safetydan | at the moment, all metadata for a track must fit inside 300 bytes otherwise it will be truncated |
| 02:15:03 | Llorean | safetydan: But this wouldn't affect if you had less than 300 bytes, but it was late in the track, right? |
| 02:15:12 | * | Llorean wonders why we have the 300 byte limit now. |
| 02:15:28 | Llorean | Er, late in the block |
| 02:16:14 | Clint | my vorbiscomments are frequently several K, and artist/album/title are not always in the first 300 bytes |
| 02:16:57 | safetydan | Llorean: if your metadata is less than 300 bytes you're all good. The limit could probably go away with mob, but might require some refactoring because of hwcodec |
| 02:17:30 | Clint | what's mob? |
| 02:17:37 | safetydan | metadata on buffer |
| 02:17:57 | safetydan | should help with removing limits like the one you're encountering |
| 02:18:01 | Llorean | safetydan: Ah, yes, hwcodec. |
| 02:18:07 | Clint | is this a subproject? |
| 02:18:29 | Llorean | Clint: As Dan said, as long as the portion of the comment block that's actually "used" is less than 300 bytes, you should be fine, from the sound of it. |
| 02:18:34 | safetydan | no it's a change made to how rockbox loads files and something that's already been done |
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| 02:19:17 | Clint | Llorean: that's not the case in practice, and I hardly want to rewrite all my tags just for rockbox |
| 02:19:23 | safetydan | Llorean: everything in Vorbis metadata is a comment. So the entire set of comments must be less than 300 bytes if I'm reading things correctly. |
| 02:19:57 | safetydan | actually... |
| 02:20:13 | Llorean | Clint: Then don't. Submit a patch to fix the problem. |
| 02:21:02 | Clint | okay; should I be looking in apps/metadata? |
| 02:21:19 | * | Llorean wonders what safetydan's actually was about |
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| 02:21:21 | safetydan | ah, this seems to be a different problem |
| 02:22:05 | safetydan | I think what's going on is that the metadata block for Clint's files spans multiple ogg packets |
| 02:22:17 | safetydan | the metadata parsing code at the moment only looks at the first comment packet |
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| 02:25:49 | Clint | the comment packets need to be sequential, yes? |
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| 02:27:54 | safetydan | Clint: I'd say yes but I don't know if that's a requirement of the Ogg stream. Either way, Rockbox isn't handling comment blocks that span multiple packets. |
| 02:29:16 | Clint | safetydan: thanks, i'll read up on formats |
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| 02:30:51 | safetydan | hrm, it's around 1 am for linuxstb so I guess he won't be able to answer questions about the Vorbis comment parsing then |
| 02:33:13 | safetydan | linuxstb: am I right in thinking that the vorbis tag reading code will not deal with comment blocks spanning multiple Ogg packets? |
| 02:33:22 | safetydan | (for the logs) |
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| 03:10:40 | Dinoisme | Hey, anyone have screens of RockBox? |
| 03:10:51 | Dinoisme | Don't want to download before I see it. :P |
| 03:10:58 | Llorean | Try the manual... |
| 03:11:45 | Dinoisme | /me checks the manual. |
| 03:11:52 | Dinoisme | Ah, yes, found it. |
| 03:11:56 | Dinoisme | Thanks! |
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| 03:48:27 | Acyd9 | hey. can anyone help me out? |
| 03:49:07 | Acyd9 | i got rockbox on my ipod right? well.. i know i can hold menu to boot up original apple software.. any way to get a boot menu to pop up each time i power the ipod on? |
| 03:49:12 | Llorean | No |
| 03:49:17 | Llorean | Not with the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 03:49:30 | Llorean | You'd need to install unsupported software, an alternate bootloader |
| 03:49:38 | Acyd9 | any suggestions? |
| 03:50:25 | Llorean | IpodLinux's Loader2 provides a menu, but we don't provide support for it and may ask you to reinstall our bootloader before filing bug reports. |
| 03:51:03 | Acyd9 | Ah. Ok. Thank you. :) |
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| 05:25:10 | none | hello i need some help trying to get rockbox working properly |
| 05:25:18 | none | on my mrobe 500 |
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| 05:25:35 | none | im trying to figure out a small bug |
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| 05:27:05 | Raging | hi everybody |
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| 05:27:33 | JdGordon | nice work Bagder |
| 05:27:43 | tuxnetadmin2 | iwhen i try to play audio my mrobe 500 with rockbox locks up and i have to remove the battery |
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| 05:27:47 | Llorean | tuxnetadmin2: The mrobe isn't a working / supported target yet. |
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| 05:28:17 | Llorean | That's why it's not listed on the front page, and isn't available as a precompiled binary. |
| 05:28:22 | Raging | i just got a sansa c240 yesterday and discovered rockbox by accident (i wanted to put music on it with my ubuntu box) |
| 05:28:30 | JdGordon | tuxnetadmin2: if you have the remote, you can reset it with (IIRC heart, select and play) |
| 05:28:40 | Raging | is it easy to put rockbox on? |
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| 05:28:56 | Mouser_X | Raging: Yes, it's easy. Read the manual. |
| 05:28:58 | Raging | the instructions look pretty clear |
| 05:29:01 | Llorean | Raging: There's a manual with instructions, whether you consider it easy is more or less up to you. |
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| 05:29:31 | Mouser_X | Well, it was easy for me, but I had the e250. The installation is probably slightly different.. |
| 05:29:38 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Nah |
| 05:29:46 | Mouser_X | Ah, that's nice to know. |
| 05:29:49 | Llorean | c200 and e200 (non-R) are identical for installation process, pretty much |
| 05:29:51 | Raging | i'll prolly get a biased answer, but does it run better with rockbox than the orig setup? |
| 05:30:04 | Mouser_X | That depends on "better." |
| 05:30:09 | alienbiker99 | yes =) |
| 05:30:09 | Llorean | With the only significant difference being some c200 firmware versions don't have an MTP/MSC option. |
| 05:30:24 | Raging | i already fixed that part |
| 05:30:30 | Raging | downgrading was quite easy |
| 05:30:32 | Llorean | Raging: Shorter battery life until we learn some things about the hardware we still haven't been able to figure out, but basically better in every other way |
| 05:30:50 | Raging | ooh, good to know |
| 05:30:58 | Mouser_X | No USB support (yet). |
| 05:31:12 | Llorean | Yeah, but I wouldn't consider that a problem since Dual Boot is around |
| 05:31:15 | tuxnetadmin2 | i know its unsupported i set up a cross compiler im trying to figure out where to start i think for now ill stick with playing around with opie on my mrobe |
| 05:31:18 | Llorean | Just a minor inconvenience. |
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| 05:31:43 | Mouser_X | Llorean: True, but it is a difference worth note. Just not a big one. |
| 05:31:53 | Llorean | True |
| 05:32:00 | Raging | is it simple enough to use that i would be able to give a 10 year old |
| 05:32:51 | Raging | any difficulty in adding music after switching to rockbox? |
| 05:33:15 | Llorean | Just drag 'n drop |
| 05:33:26 | Llorean | Rockbox features a filetree browser, or a database that the device itself can generate. |
| 05:33:30 | DogBoy | I never used the original firmware once |
| 05:33:36 | Raging | awesome |
| 05:33:39 | Llorean | As for "Simple enough for a 10 year old", that depends heavily on the 10 year old. |
| 05:34:00 | Raging | lol |
| 05:34:21 | Llorean | I have a 10 year old nephew who could use it without problem. |
| 05:34:38 | Llorean | But we do from time to time get users who claim it's far too complicated for any human, and the directions appear to have been written by a monkey. |
| 05:34:41 | Llorean | So opinions vary |
| 05:34:48 | Raging | that seems worth giving up some battery life |
| 05:36:16 | Raging | thank you all |
| 05:36:27 | webguest71 | so... i got rockbox on my ipod (photo/color) and like when i mount, it reverts to ipod's firmware to make the connection (after i see the rockbox usb icon for a second) is this normal? is there some type of driver in need to install on my windows box? |
| 05:37:15 | Shaid | it's normal |
| 05:37:20 | psycho_maniac | webguest71: that is normal |
| 05:37:39 | webguest71 | hah ok. just wondering (could've been in the manual someplace) |
| 05:37:51 | webguest71 | so you just drag ur music to your music folder and rebuild ur db? |
| 05:37:57 | Raging | if this goes horribly wrong (unplugging while transferring or something) is it toast? |
| 05:38:49 | JdGordon | dont unplug it |
| 05:38:58 | advcomp2019 | Raging, not really but dont tho |
| 05:39:08 | Llorean | Raging: The c200 is a remarkably durable gadget, from a software perspective. While you can cause it not to boot by corrupting the "disk", or worse, it should pretty much always be recoverable if you can follow instructions well enough |
| 05:39:24 | Raging | sweet |
| 05:39:52 | webguest71 | i like rockbox, but it's almost too customizable. i see myself spending hours on a theme :( |
| 05:40:13 | Raging | i got 3 cuz they were cheap... i'll keep 2... one to use, one to abuse |
| 05:40:53 | webguest71 | .. how do i get album art working? |
| 05:40:56 | Raging | advcomp2019 are you James? |
| 05:41:15 | Llorean | webguest71: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
| 05:41:15 | HeroinHero | |
| 05:41:44 | advcomp2019 | Raging, heh |
| 05:42:07 | HeroinHero | james who? I'm a james! its a common fricken name! |
| 05:43:08 | webguest71 | lorean:thanks |
| 05:44:11 | webguest71 | so if i want to use the standard ipod interface, i unload the bootloader? |
| 05:44:13 | Raging | HeroinHero, sorry for any confusion. I know advcomp2019 IRL |
| 05:44:25 | webguest71 | <−− sorry if i'm asking n00b questions |
| 05:44:42 | Llorean | webguest71: You can boot into the original firmware, or remove Rockbox wholly yes. Might I suggest the manual? |
| 05:45:26 | tuxnetadmin2 | The mrobe port is going to keep me busy for a while i work for a company that makes transponders for cable and telecom power supplies so ive learned a little about embeded development and alot about pic microcontrollers but thanks to rockbox i have something new to experiment with and learn about |
| 05:46:03 | tuxnetadmin2 | what is the most recommended mp3 player to use with rockbox |
| 05:46:13 | webguest71 | thanks: I got RTFM ADD, i start looking and i get sidetracked |
| 05:47:46 | krazykit | tuxnetadmin2, look up the BuyersGuide on the wiki |
| 05:48:33 | tuxnetadmin2 | thanks |
| 05:50:49 | tuxnetadmin2 | opps sorry ill i didnt notice the line about unsupported builds are considered off topic im going to go to the community channel |
| 05:50:50 | * | Mouser_X suggests the Gigabeat, but that's his opion. |
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| 05:55:10 | * | psycho_maniac also suggess the gigabeat but its his opinion also |
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| 06:03:07 | Aware | hey everyone. could someone tell me why the new usb stack was committed if it doesn't provide full functionality yet? i can see new users getting quite confused |
| 06:03:55 | mud-rb_ | because it provides better charging (except it crashes for me every time) |
| 06:04:52 | Aware | what is the point of better charging if you can't transfer any files? |
| 06:05:03 | Llorean | So you can charge while listening... |
| 06:05:18 | Llorean | Aware: Rockbox is in-development software. Code gets committed so that people can work on it, not JUST so that people can use it. |
| 06:05:23 | Mouser_X | Sounds good to me (pun unintended). |
| 06:05:36 | Llorean | If you don't want to be confused by changes, don't update again until a release version comes out, if ever. |
| 06:05:42 | mud-rb_ | the OF for sansa is really obnoxious. any way i can avoid booting into it, i do (it really really likes to refresh its database for 10+ minutes every boot) |
| 06:06:34 | * | Mouser_X has about 16 MP3s on his e250. Everything else is oddball formats. |
| 06:07:32 | mud-rb_ | i should probably change all of my files to .mpa extension or something, but i haven't gotten around to it yet...and my computer doesn't recognize those i don't think |
| 06:07:53 | Llorean | Teaching a computer to recognize a new extension is usually rather easy |
| 06:08:15 | mud-rb_ | yeah, it's laziness more than anything |
| 06:08:27 | Mouser_X | Usually, but one time it seriously screwed things up, and I couldn't fix it.. |
| 06:11:28 | Aware | Llorean: Charge while listening to what? |
| 06:11:58 | Llorean | Your music? |
| 06:11:59 | Mouser_X | Aware: The Sansa will charge over the USB port in Rockbox, while listeneing to music. |
| 06:12:37 | Llorean | Aware: You are aware, as per the manual, you can boot into the original firmware to transfer data, right? |
| 06:15:02 | Aware | Good point. |
| 06:15:18 | Llorean | The new stack didn't remove any functionality, just added. |
| 06:19:35 | Aware | I understand now. The only problem is the folders that the iPod automatically creates on first boot which are useless to me. |
| 06:20:57 | Llorean | Well, complain to Apple about that one |
| 06:23:00 | psycho_maniac | or just get rid of your ipod ;) |
| 06:23:23 | Aware | I would like to. |
| 06:24:08 | Aware | At the time it was the best value hard disk player available. |
| 06:24:30 | Aware | That was Rockboxable, of course. |
| 06:26:30 | psycho_maniac | i remember i waited for the 5.5 80gb support and when that happened, THAT DAY, i went out and bought one. now i wish i never did and am happy with my gigabeat :) |
| 06:28:20 | Aware | Heh. I assume your gigabeat is 60 GB? |
| 06:28:55 | Mouser_X | Aware: psycho_maniac's Gigabeat is a F80 (he added a larger drive). |
| 06:29:03 | Mouser_X | Mine is the F40. |
| 06:29:27 | psycho_maniac | yes i own a F80 :) |
| 06:30:23 | Aware | Nice. When's the upgrade to F160 going to come? :) |
| 06:32:20 | Mouser_X | Never. There's no drives compatible to the Gigabeat F in that size. |
| 06:32:36 | Mouser_X | For the Gigabeat X there might be, but I don't remember. |
| 06:32:48 | Mouser_X | 80 GB is the largest drive you can get for the F. |
| 06:33:25 | psycho_maniac | uhh the X you can go to 100. I think. |
| 06:35:47 | Aware | Don't they all take 1.8" drives? |
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| 06:37:56 | scorche | Aware: they dont have "one" interface |
| 06:38:15 | scorche | there are actually quite a few now days |
| 06:39:19 | Aware | I see. Is there any good reason for that? |
| 06:39:22 | Llorean | Spite |
| 06:39:45 | Llorean | Really, ZIF is an improvement because it's easier to insert/remove. |
| 06:39:53 | Llorean | I'm not sure about this CE-ATA but I imagine there's a reason |
| 06:41:16 | Llorean | I think the purpose of CE-ATA is to reduce the number of pins, and connector size. |
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| 06:47:23 | Raging | i love rockbox |
| 06:48:04 | Aware | You're right. So which DAPs use which interface? |
| 06:48:31 | psycho_maniac | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=HardDriveReplacement |
| 06:49:24 | Aware | Thanks! |
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| 06:50:41 | Mouser_X | Had I credit card, I'd give at least $20. |
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| 07:25:05 | dirtdawg | Hi. I let my iPod nano play until it died, then recharged it as normal. However, when I try to boot into Rockbox, I get an error that says it "can't load rockbox ipod: Read failed(image)". If I reboot, then enter disk mode as it instructs, I get only the "OK to discinnect" screen with the green arrow. If I reboot normally, it hangs on the Apple Logo. The Apple partition boots normally. Does anyone here know how I could remedy this p |
| 07:26:36 | dirtdawg | I should add the ipod is currently disconnected. If I connect, then reboot into disk mode, I get the normal "do not disconnect", but upon ejecting, it freezes again on the "okay to disconnect" screen. |
| 07:27:35 | Mouser_X | dirtdawg: You got cut off at "Does anyone here know how I could remedy this p" I assume you finished with "problem?" |
| 07:27:59 | Mouser_X | All I can suggest is to run a disk checking utility on it. |
| 07:29:10 | dirtdawg | Mouser_x Thank you. The problem is simply that I would like to boot into Rockbox normally. What would I be looking for with the dick check? A corrupt partition? |
| 07:29:27 | dirtdawg | ohno! I meant "disk check" Sorry :) |
| 07:30:05 | Mouser_X | Pretty much. Did something go bad? Are there corrupted files? Stuff like that. |
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| 07:30:35 | Mouser_X | Scandisk is what you'd use under Windows, I think. |
| 07:30:56 | dirtdawg | Okay. Well, I will hunt one down. Would reinstalling Rockbox solve the issue? I installed over a year ago and have been meaning to update anyways |
| 07:31:10 | dirtdawg | I use Ubuntu 7.04 |
| 07:32:05 | Mouser_X | Reinstalling would be a good idea. |
| 07:32:53 | dirtdawg | Okay, thank you very much. |
| 07:33:55 | Mouser_X | As for whether it'd fix it or not, I don't know. But if it's nearly a year old, updating would a very good idea. Lots of problems have been fixed since then. |
| 07:34:42 | dirtdawg | Cool. I will start there then. Thanks for your time. |
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| 08:12:05 | mrkiko | hi! |
| 08:12:09 | mrkiko | A question... |
| 08:12:31 | mrkiko | What should actually happen when rockbox played all the files on a folder and "autochange directory" is set to "yes" ? |
| 08:13:27 | mrkiko | My H340 actually crashed... |
| 08:14:23 | Llorean | The whole point of "Autochange directory" is to automatically change the directory when all the files in the folder are done. |
| 08:14:25 | DogBoy | that sounds right |
| 08:15:12 | Llorean | So if it's not doing that, when you have repeat turned off, then it's a bug. |
| 08:15:26 | mrkiko | I don't know why, but when all those files finished, the player simply crashed, without ever spinning up the disk... |
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| 08:16:26 | mrkiko | mhm... |
| 08:16:40 | mrkiko | yes, repeat was off... |
| 08:16:49 | LinusN | a lot of people have reported problems with the autochange, but afaik nobody has done any research |
| 08:17:10 | mrkiko | but I'l try to re-produce this problem when I arrive to my home at 16:30 today.. |
| 08:17:16 | Llorean | Why do we have autochange? |
| 08:17:26 | LinusN | Llorean: it's a requested feature |
| 08:17:40 | LinusN | a lazy man's play-it-all |
| 08:18:15 | LinusN | the iriver OF has it, so many iriver users requested it back in the days |
| 08:18:22 | Llorean | Ah |
| 08:18:26 | mrkiko | I have a feature request, but I think it is riddicolous, so I didn't post it: I would like rockbox to run under a supervisor-kind thing, so that if rockbox crashes the supervisor can still shutdown my player. |
| 08:18:36 | Llorean | I was an iRiver user back in the day, but I still prefer just playlisting everything |
| 08:19:46 | LinusN | mrkiko: not necessarily ridiculous, but still not easy to do |
| 08:20:00 | LinusN | Llorean: to each his own i guess |
| 08:20:04 | Llorean | I suppose |
| 08:20:24 | Llorean | On iRiver at least, doesn't Rockbox shutdown from Illinstr and similar crashes? |
| 08:20:39 | LinusN | Llorean: yes, you can press Play to reboot |
| 08:20:55 | mrkiko | no... |
| 08:21:01 | mrkiko | :) simply not :) |
| 08:21:10 | Mouser_X | Since I have more than 30,000 files (the current limit for playlists) the "Autochange" could be nice. I don't use it though. |
| 08:21:34 | Llorean | Why do we have a playlist size limit? |
| 08:21:46 | Mouser_X | I thought it was a memory issue. |
| 08:21:54 | LinusN | it was/is |
| 08:21:54 | Llorean | Yes |
| 08:21:58 | Llorean | But I'm curious why it's necessary |
| 08:22:06 | Llorean | Can't we store the playlist filename, and say, 200 entries from it at any given time? |
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| 08:22:23 | LinusN | Llorean: try to shuffle that... |
| 08:22:26 | Llorean | Aaah |
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| 08:22:43 | Llorean | Hm |
| 08:22:50 | mrkiko | LinusN: I think... the problem is that rockbox is not perfect... |
| 08:23:09 | Llorean | LinusN: So shuffle it, and store it in a temporary file in the .rockbox folder, similar to nvram.bin? |
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| 08:24:16 | Llorean | Or is that problematic too. |
| 08:24:23 | LinusN | the playlist code was written to conserve memory, while still being efficient |
| 08:24:46 | Llorean | It just seems to me like there should be a "less efficient, but still usable" case for when the list is too long. |
| 08:25:13 | Llorean | Similar to when a folder is longer than the max list size, I'm curious why it doesn't spinup as you scroll down. |
| 08:25:13 | mrkiko | I was just too lazy to read things about "car adapter mode" and "party mode": what are they doing actually? |
| 08:25:16 | LinusN | probably, or just increase the limit |
| 08:25:44 | Llorean | mrkiko: Well, you could go read things about them now... |
| 08:26:12 | LinusN | mrkiko: car adapter mode handles start/restart of playback when the charger power comes and goes |
| 08:26:16 | mrkiko | you're right ... ) |
| 08:26:19 | amiconn | Llorean: When a folder is longer than the directory size limit, you simply don't see all entries |
| 08:26:41 | Llorean | amiconn: I know. I'm curious why this is the way it works. |
| 08:26:43 | LinusN | mrkiko: party mode prevents accidental playback interruption |
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| 08:27:11 | mrkiko | LinusN: :) |
| 08:27:19 | mrkiko | I think I should try it |
| 08:27:48 | amiconn | Llorean: Because rockbox needs the folder entries in memory. Otherwise it could not display them sorted |
| 08:28:13 | Llorean | amiconn: Ah, sorting. Gotcha |
| 08:28:45 | LinusN | the same goes for playlists, actually. shuffling and sorting is a pain if you can't have it all in memory |
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| 08:29:20 | amiconn | Afaik, playlists are very memory efficient in that they store just one index value (4 bytes) per track in memory |
| 08:29:33 | LinusN | yes |
| 08:29:50 | LinusN | we could easily increase the maximum limit if necessary |
| 08:30:05 | LinusN | and according to Mouser_X it is... |
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| 08:30:19 | amiconn | The file browser, however, could be made more memory efficient, by using linked lists (like the database) instead of a simple array |
| 08:30:39 | LinusN | it doesn't? |
| 08:31:14 | Mouser_X | LinusN: I'd never make a 30,000+ playlist for actual use. |
| 08:31:32 | Mouser_X | For searching, I've done that. But to actually listen to it? I wouldn't do that. |
| 08:31:53 | Llorean | LinusN: With 60/80gb drives and how tiny some of our formats are, I can easily imagine playlists of rather ridiculous size if someone wants to shuffle their whole collection |
| 08:32:29 | Mouser_X | Very true. |
| 08:33:01 | amiconn | LinusN: Iirc it uses some hybrid concept. An array holding all info, but just a pointer for the name, pointing into some kind of pool memory area |
| 08:33:13 | * | mrkiko wanting to debug rockbox |
| 08:33:33 | LinusN | amiconn: isn't that good enough? |
| 08:33:56 | LinusN | amiconn: ah, the index array is the limiting factor |
| 08:33:58 | amiconn | This method adapts well to occasional very long names, as long as the average file name length isn't longer than some value |
| 08:34:39 | GodEater_ | that's a pretty clever idea imo |
| 08:34:45 | LinusN | amiconn: as long as you use static memory allocation, you still have a limit |
| 08:35:10 | LinusN | linked lists won't solve that |
| 08:35:18 | amiconn | LinusN: Yes, but that limit wouldn't enforce a maximum number of files |
| 08:35:39 | LinusN | as long as you fill the index array from the start and the string pool from the bottom |
| 08:35:54 | LinusN | then you won't have a fixed limit |
| 08:35:59 | amiconn | If the average filename is short, it could fit more entries than now into the same amount of ram |
| 08:36:11 | LinusN | yes, if you do as i described |
| 08:36:56 | amiconn | Yes, or use linked lists. Maybe the top/bottom approach would be even more efficient.... not sure |
| 08:37:11 | LinusN | in fact, that's what i do in the sort plugin, sort.rock |
| 08:37:59 | mrkiko | Aniway when the player crashes I noted it exhausts his battery very very quickly - may be the CPU is doing something ? |
| 08:38:07 | mrkiko | *something intensive ? * |
| 08:38:31 | amiconn | The array + string pool needs one pointer (to the string) per entry. Linked lists wouldn't need that (the string could be tacked onto the end of the entry), but they need a pointer to the successor |
| 08:38:45 | amiconn | Double linked lists would need 2 pointers, hmm |
| 08:38:47 | Llorean | So the limit you set for playlist length is an approximate based on an average, and if you have long names it may end up shorter? |
| 08:38:59 | amiconn | Llorean: No |
| 08:39:13 | Llorean | Okay, it sounded like that from something you said |
| 08:39:28 | amiconn | The playlist limit is fixed. The directory size limit is where you might end up with less entries if your average filenames are very long |
| 08:39:36 | Llorean | Ah okay. |
| 08:39:36 | LinusN | Llorean: we're talking about the file browser |
| 08:39:43 | Llorean | Got lost somewhere |
| 08:39:47 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 08:40:06 | Llorean | Maybe we should change the description to describe how much memory is reserved rather than the number of filenames, or at least make it clear it's an approximate? |
| 08:41:09 | amiconn | Llorean: I have never seen the browser hit the filename size limit, always the number-of-entries limit |
| 08:41:30 | amiconn | That's why I am thinking about a way to use the reserved memory more efficiently |
| 08:41:33 | Llorean | amiconn: There was someone I talked with one who was having some behaviour that might've actually been that. |
| 08:41:41 | Llorean | once |
| 08:41:46 | Llorean | But true, that was just once. |
| 08:41:57 | amiconn | And somehow I thought it is mentioned in the manual... didn't check though |
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| 08:42:26 | Llorean | Maybe it is mentioned in the manual. I'll admit I haven't looked at the description for that feature |
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| 08:43:10 | HowdyDoody | How do I force a re-build on the database in rockbox ? It rebuilt in Sansa software automatically when I logged in. Still not visible in rockbox. |
| 08:45:35 | Llorean | HowdyDoody: "Initialize Now" forces a complete rebuild, or should. |
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| 08:50:12 | GodEater_ | Also, the sansa's database is not the same as the one rockbox uses. So the fact that the sansa firmware has built a database does not mean it should be present in Rockbox. |
| 08:51:19 | HowdyDoody | Llorean, I can't find it in mine, what pull down is it under ? |
| 08:51:40 | Llorean | HowdyDoody: Please read the manual. |
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| 09:09:13 | HowdyDoody | Llorean, Ok, finally found the pdf, man I had over 700 in that directory! Finnaly figured out the "Database Menu" was under "general settings". I choose update database to see if that is good enough for me. |
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| 09:29:22 | HowdyDoody | To all who wrote on the manual, Great Job! I especially like the details in the bookmarks, as I can find what I need fast without using the adobe search. |
| 09:29:50 | rasher | Any thoughts on FS #7637 (localising language names)? |
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| 09:30:33 | rasher | With a few small fixes to buildzip (and possibly the "release" script as well), we can use both unicode and spaces in the filename |
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| 09:31:22 | rasher | It does, I think, require us to use GNU extensions to find and xargs (-print0 and -0 respectively). Or redo the thing in pure perl. |
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| 09:36:37 | linuxstb | rasher: Do all zip tools handle unicode correctly? |
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| 09:37:52 | rasher | linuxstb: 'zip' on Linux does (I assume the same version is used across the board), and fat has been ucs2 for ages, so I'd be quite surprised if it didn't work on cygwin. |
| 09:38:06 | rasher | Or ucs4, I forget. |
| 09:38:19 | rasher | Or some other abbreviation :) |
| 09:38:56 | linuxstb | I'm just saying we should test the common zip tools - just to make sure. |
| 09:39:28 | rasher | Ah, you mean for unpacking? |
| 09:39:44 | linuxstb | The only slight nastiness is that not all the filenames will display correctly with all fonts, but I guess that's not a problem if the English name is there too. |
| 09:40:02 | rasher | I'm leaning back and forth between displaying the english name first or not |
| 09:40:39 | rasher | It looks nicest in all fonts with the english name first, but on the other hand, a native speaker would like the native name first |
| 09:41:03 | linuxstb | But doesn't Rockbox lack proper unicode sorting? |
| 09:41:10 | rasher | I do think we really should display both, though. |
| 09:41:18 | rasher | Possibly - I've no idea to be honest. |
| 09:41:39 | rasher | That's another reason in favour of putting the English name first, I guess |
| 09:41:45 | linuxstb | Yes, that's what I mean. |
| 09:42:09 | Llorean | I think I'm in favour of English Name First too, since you can depend on that to always be readable. |
| 09:42:30 | linuxstb | I've no idea what the order of "Russian", "Hebrew" and "Chinese" should be in their native languages/characters... |
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| 09:42:58 | rasher | Yeah, we might even end up in nationalist discussions! |
| 09:43:24 | linuxstb | So putting the English first nicely avoids the issue, plus will look better if the font doesn't support the characters. |
| 09:43:43 | rasher | Yup. I'm in favour of that too, now. |
| 09:44:23 | rasher | How about using -print0 and -0 to find and xargs? Will that break horribly on BSDs and OS X? |
| 09:44:40 | rasher | or can we ask for the gnu tools there? |
| 09:44:57 | rasher | Or do the BSD tools also implement -print0 and -0.. |
| 09:50:31 | Zagor | I have some osx people here, I'll ask |
| 09:52:15 | linuxstb | The xargs and find manpages don't seem to mention that -print0 is a GNU extension. |
| 09:52:29 | linuxstb | So it seems to be POSIX. |
| 09:53:21 | rasher | Hm |
| 09:53:33 | markun | rasher: where did you read that zip supports unicode? |
| 09:53:50 | rasher | markun: I didn't - I tested it |
| 09:54:00 | markun | how? |
| 09:54:04 | rasher | make install for the sim worked, and produced the correct file |
| 09:54:12 | rasher | (that goes through make zip and unzipping) |
| 09:54:37 | Zagor | OSX supports -0 and -print0 |
| 09:54:37 | markun | did you make the files on a UTF-16 system and extract them on a UTF-8 system for example? |
| 09:54:57 | markun | I believe I also did some tests in the past and it didn't work |
| 09:55:12 | rasher | Ah. Hm. |
| 09:55:22 | rasher | Everyone should be utf-8 anyway :| |
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| 09:55:40 | GodEater_ | hear hear |
| 09:55:41 | markun | 7zip and rar support unicode afaik |
| 09:55:56 | markun | but I didn't find anything on zip |
| 09:56:24 | rasher | Ah yeah, that breaks nicely. |
| 09:56:33 | dirtdawg | Mouser_X: I wrote earlier about a frozen Nano. I updated and everything works superbly now. Just wanted to say 'thanks' again. Cheers! |
| 09:56:56 | linuxstb | A google for "zip filename encoding" gives lots of problems... |
| 09:57:14 | rasher | Probably a case of "zip is old and broken" |
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| 09:57:51 | rasher | Opening the zip with the Windows builtin zip unpacker broke spectacularly |
| 09:58:12 | linuxstb | Yes, I think that zip as a format doesn't have a character encoding specified in the file, or any mandated encoding... |
| 09:58:20 | rasher | Opening with 7-zip (still just a regular zip), breaks in a different way. |
| 09:58:45 | rasher | I guess that plan's out of the window then, unless we move to a different archive format |
| 09:58:48 | linuxstb | We could switch to 7z, but maybe that's excessive for such a small feature... |
| 09:59:25 | rasher | Probably. |
| 09:59:31 | GodEater_ | there's other benefits to 7z too though |
| 09:59:33 | Llorean | 7z is also a bit smaller. And honestly does the archive format matter too much if we have most users using rbutil? |
| 09:59:46 | Nico_P | j0tt: hi |
| 09:59:50 | linuxstb | Does/can rbutil support 7z? |
| 09:59:59 | GodEater_ | I don't see why not |
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| 10:00:00 | rasher | rbutil needs to support 7z then. I believe they got zip support for free |
| 10:00:04 | GodEater_ | it's an open format |
| 10:00:50 | rasher | We could provide the archives as self extracting exes for windows users |
| 10:01:37 | rasher | Don't know how good an idea it is |
| 10:02:17 | GodEater_ | the 7zip site provides an sdk |
| 10:02:22 | GodEater_ | no lib though =/ |
| 10:02:46 | Llorean | I like the idea of moving to an archive format that's a little less likely to break sooner, even if the benefit is minimal. It might prove useful in the future, and no harm if it doesn't, right? (Assuming someone's willing to put in the work for it) |
| 10:04:07 | GodEater_ | I like that idea too |
| 10:04:26 | rasher | Well there's the problem of zip being pretty much universally supported, whereas 7z is "some weird file I can't open". Don't know how widespread rbutil usage is yet? |
| 10:04:55 | GodEater_ | we can provide a link to the 7zip site too |
| 10:05:01 | GodEater_ | that's not a huge problem to overcome.. |
| 10:05:04 | Llorean | Yeah, but there are .7z tools for most OSes |
| 10:05:27 | Llorean | And the benefit of that is that they aren't likely to use some psychotic extractor that creates its own folders, or dumps everything in the root, or other weirdness |
| 10:05:52 | rasher | I'm not saying it's necessarily a huge problem, just something to think about, I guess. |
| 10:06:06 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 10:06:32 | GodEater_ | tbh, that's another good reason to move |
| 10:06:47 | GodEater_ | the fact that we can predict more accurately what people will use to do the extract |
| 10:07:08 | GodEater_ | we'll end up with less of those forum posts that have resulted from some hair brained archive program extracting to wherever it felt like |
| 10:07:18 | Llorean | GodEater_: That also means that for windows/mac/linux we can make much more specific "Manual install" instructions by linking to an extraction tool, and giving instructions for using it. |
| 10:07:21 | rasher | It *will* result in a wave of confused users though. Whether or not it's worth it is the question. I'm leaning towards yes. |
| 10:07:27 | * | jhMikeS doesn't understand how renaming functions that were named for what they literally do to something else that's literally what they don't do helps clarity (re: lv24020lp.c) |
| 10:07:44 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Maybe he's confused? |
| 10:07:58 | Llorean | rasher: As the man who's likely to encounter those users head on, I think I'm still in favour of it. :) |
| 10:08:07 | GodEater_ | ditto |
| 10:08:14 | GodEater_ | as a man who will also likely run into them |
| 10:08:38 | jhMikeS | Llorean: if he's confused, he shouldn't change it? :) |
| 10:08:47 | rasher | Is the windows 7zip archiver accessible? |
| 10:09:00 | GodEater_ | rasher: do you mean easy to use ? |
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| 10:09:05 | GodEater_ | if so, then yes I think so |
| 10:09:11 | rasher | No I mean easy to use for the blind |
| 10:09:14 | GodEater_ | ah |
| 10:09:15 | Zagor | I would probably have called them set_bits() and clear_bits() instead of write* |
| 10:09:17 | GodEater_ | no idea |
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| 10:09:25 | jhMikeS | lv24020_write_clear doesn't clear the bits that are set, it clears the bits that aren't set :) |
| 10:09:33 | Llorean | rasher: Something we need to check, at least. |
| 10:09:46 | jhMikeS | *_and is what it does |
| 10:10:06 | rasher | Llorean: I would guess it is - it seems to be completely native windows code. |
| 10:10:14 | Zagor | jhMikeS: no he added a ~ to it |
| 10:10:18 | rasher | Though you can never really tell. |
| 10:11:08 | Llorean | rasher: It seems likely at least. It'd be nice if RButil could be made accessible (and reliable) enough that non-devs would never have a good reason to manual install |
| 10:11:27 | Llorean | As it is, I think the reliability is just on player detection for first installs at this point. |
| 10:11:32 | jhMikeS | beh, I guess so. Then it litterally does that. *waking up and really cranky here* |
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| 10:16:09 | * | GodEater_ passes neat caffeine to jhMikeS |
| 10:17:30 | * | jhMikeS probably needs the entire supply |
| 10:23:53 | * | GodEater_ passes a syringe too |
| 10:29:35 | GodEater_ | hmm - if we want .7z support in rbutil it looks like we'll need to distrubute the SDK inside the rockbox svn - otherwise we can't guarantee the location of the header files on a building system. What do you guys think ? |
| 10:30:31 | rasher | Hrm, I'm not sure it's needed. Seems to work fine with SDL |
| 10:30:40 | rasher | Ah. |
| 10:30:48 | rasher | Different situation.. |
| 10:31:07 | rasher | Well, we already distribute a ton of libraries |
| 10:31:44 | GodEater_ | yes - which we've tweaked for rockbox targets, which makes sense |
| 10:31:52 | GodEater_ | but not for host systems as far as I'm aware |
| 10:33:03 | rasher | Yeah, but I don't see a real problem in doing it. The alternative is to tell the user to download it himself, which doesn't really accomplish anything but distribute the workload and multiplying it by a million |
| 10:33:30 | GodEater_ | it also means we'll have to manually incorporate any upstream changes that the .7z team make |
| 10:34:23 | rasher | We'd (and I use the word "we" very loosely here) have to deal with changes anyway, if the user updates from the website etc. |
| 10:37:04 | homielowe | Any ideas to compile odcctools under a x86-64 env(ubuntu 7.10)?, trying compile the iphone toochain ( rockbox as app) |
| 10:37:31 | GodEater_ | it's giving you problems ? |
| 10:38:03 | rasher | homielowe: while your goal is rockbox-related, I think you're more likely to get help in iphone related channels |
| 10:38:54 | homielowe | http://pastebin.ca/index.php Well I guess your right, I kinda thought just that rockbox is pretty linux related. |
| 10:39:09 | homielowe | lol woops |
| 10:39:09 | GodEater_ | why would you think that ? |
| 10:39:35 | homielowe | Compiling, people of experience etc, |
| 10:40:09 | GodEater_ | neither of those things are particularly confined to linux... |
| 10:40:34 | Zagor | we're linux savvy, but I don't think anyone here has any experience with the iphone nor its' toolchain |
| 10:40:51 | GodEater_ | *some* of us are linux savvy :) |
| 10:41:11 | Zagor | I've played with the iphone for 5mins, that's all. |
| 10:41:16 | * | homielowe is the utter opposite of that |
| 10:41:28 | LinusN | i saw a picture of one oce |
| 10:41:31 | LinusN | once |
| 10:42:49 | homielowe | Well I have to go sleep, will try to rectify my problem tomorrow, thanks for the imput :) |
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| 10:43:32 | Zagor | Llorean: have you had your phonecall with real yet? |
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| 10:44:18 | Llorean | Zagor: In 12 hours, or so |
| 10:44:21 | GodEater_ | why are we trying to talk to real? I think I missed that... |
| 10:44:30 | Zagor | Llorean: oh.. time is difficult :) |
| 10:44:42 | Llorean | GodEater_: I emailed their licensing representative to ask if he had any ideas regarding Rockbox and the helix AAC codec. |
| 10:44:48 | Llorean | He suggested a phonecall and offered to call me. |
| 10:44:54 | GodEater_ | oh neat |
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| 10:45:19 | Llorean | He also mentioned he was familiar with our project. |
| 10:45:38 | GodEater_ | scarey |
| 10:47:31 | Llorean | The email also caused me to realize that I'm not fond of shortening job titles no matter how long or awkward the full title might be. |
| 10:47:41 | GodEater_ | explain |
| 10:47:56 | Llorean | For example, I think "Dir Bus Dev IP Lic" looks worse than what it most likely is written out in full. |
| 10:48:06 | GodEater_ | ah yes |
| 10:48:29 | Llorean | But I suppose that's just personal preference. It'd be a hassle to type even remotely frequently. |
| 10:48:46 | Llorean | The burdens of responsibility, I suppose |
| 10:49:09 | advcomp2019 | Llorean, if i reading that right, could that mean rockbox could play rax files? |
| 10:51:54 | Llorean | advcomp2019: Well we're discussing the Helix AAC codec, since signs point to it being a good deal better than our AAC codec. |
| 10:52:01 | rasher | I'm extremely sceptic about using the Helix AAC decoder on Rockbox unless we come up with some really generic codec that gets us out of GPL trouble, or they relicense the thing. |
| 10:52:11 | rasher | But a phonecall never hurt anyone, of course. |
| 10:53:20 | Llorean | Well yeah, the whole tone of my email was "We're GPL licensed, and we compile in codecs, but your AAC codec looks really good, any ideas?" |
| 10:53:41 | Zagor | rasher: yeah, I don't have great hopes either. but talking is always good. |
| 10:54:25 | rasher | If nothing else, it might just nudge them towards getting gpl compatible. |
| 10:54:30 | Llorean | So if he thinks there's anything to discuss, it might well be that there's either something he can do, or he knows something we don't. |
| 10:55:33 | Llorean | And I mean the worst that can come of it is that we go right on not using their code because we can't. :) |
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| 11:13:05 | Bagder | "Basically I?m totally blown away by your software" |
| 11:13:10 | Bagder | fine words from the forum |
| 11:13:51 | Llorean | Always nice to see a post like that. |
| 11:14:20 | Bagder | it makes your carbon-fiber heart enable heat-mode |
| 11:15:11 | safetydan | So do we want to support with Vorbis comment packets that span multiple pages? |
| 11:15:28 | safetydan | Just reading through the Vorbis comment spec they discourage large comments blocks. |
| 11:16:35 | Llorean | Discourage as in "You should support them but shake your fingers at people who use them" or discourage as in "we won't shake our fingers at you if you choose not to support them"? |
| 11:18:22 | safetydan | Llorean, "It is meant for short text comments, not arbitrary metadata; " |
| 11:18:35 | safetydan | from the spec |
| 11:20:17 | Llorean | So basically, if it spans a page, we tell them "You're using it wrong, sorry?" |
| 11:20:21 | Llorean | I have to admit I kinda like that idea. :) |
| 11:20:58 | safetydan | hah |
| 11:20:59 | markun | Zagor, Bagder: how can I see which plugins are installed for twiki? Would be nice to have one which can help with organizing the wiki. |
| 11:21:09 | safetydan | though the spec does go on to say that the comment packet size is effectively unbounded |
| 11:21:31 | Zagor | markun: afaik you can't see that. I'll list it for you. |
| 11:21:45 | markun | this could help for example: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/TopicReferencePlugin |
| 11:23:40 | Zagor | markun: BeautifierPlugin, CommentPlugin, DirectedGraphPlugin, EditTablePlugin, InterwikiPlugin, PreferencesPlugin, RenderListPlugin, SlideShowPlugin, SmiliesPlugin, SpreadSheetPlugin, TablePlugin, WysiwygPlugin |
| 11:23:55 | Zagor | I don't know what half of them do, or even if they're enabled :-) |
| 11:25:06 | markun | DirectedGraphPlugin looks useful for some of the things we did |
| 11:25:20 | markun | could you install TopicReferencePlugin for me? |
| 11:25:26 | Zagor | sure |
| 11:25:35 | markun | or do you know a better way to see how the wiki could be organized better? |
| 11:25:59 | Zagor | no, this seems like a good tool |
| 11:28:28 | markun | a friend of mine was explaining how user interfaces should be designed because of the way humans think. It was exactly what we moved away from with our "main menu" :) |
| 11:29:18 | markun | I didn't hear any complaints from new users that it was unintuitive, while we got this complaint a lot with the old structure |
| 11:30:55 | markun | Bagder: very nice forum post indeed |
| 11:31:00 | Zagor | the problem with that philosophy is the different people think in surprisingly different ways |
| 11:31:16 | dirtdawg | After updating Rockbox after a year, I have to say, it is great! It recognizes my 400 mAh battery (1300 was lowest before), annoyances in text editor is fixed, AND it has Robot Finds Kitten! Totally Sweet! |
| 11:31:24 | Zagor | so you easily end up with "focus group hell" |
| 11:31:40 | safetydan | yeah like some people think Tremor code is readable... |
| 11:32:44 | LinusN | i never saw the point with robots find kitten |
| 11:32:47 | markun | dirtdawg: the mAh setting doesn't matter much anyway, but I'm glad you like the changes |
| 11:33:05 | markun | LinusN: I don't think there really is a point to it :) |
| 11:34:35 | Bagder | I'm just confused there's no "box" or "rock" in its name! |
| 11:34:55 | markun | rockbox find kitten? |
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| 11:34:56 | Bagder | clearly a bug |
| 11:34:57 | LinusN | robox find kitten |
| 11:35:13 | * | markun prefers LinusN's option |
| 11:35:40 | Zagor | robot finds litterbox? |
| 11:35:49 | markun | ;) |
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| 11:36:09 | LinusN | seriously, what is the point with it? |
| 11:36:16 | markun | killing time I guess |
| 11:36:24 | markun | like Jewels |
| 11:36:30 | safetydan | yeah like some people think Tremor code is readable... |
| 11:36:34 | safetydan | grr |
| 11:36:38 | safetydan | lousy up arrow |
| 11:36:43 | LinusN | is it to find the kitten ass early as possible? |
| 11:36:47 | LinusN | as |
| 11:36:51 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:38:03 | petur | rofl |
| 11:38:24 | dirtdawg | markun: I read that about the mAh before when I was trying to figure out how to set it, but it makes me happy anyways :D |
| 11:38:58 | * | markun thinks it should just be removed for targets without a good runtime prediction |
| 11:39:04 | dirtdawg | There is no point to Robot Finds Kitten. That is why it is so rad. |
| 11:39:29 | dirtdawg | now if they would just find a way to get Nethack on there ;) |
| 11:40:28 | markun | dirtdawg: you could do it |
| 11:40:51 | preglow | safetydan: looking at tremor? :>' |
| 11:41:14 | dirtdawg | markun: I appreciate what you're saying, but I can barely handle bascic Python programming. Maybe I'll give it a shot in a decade or two. |
| 11:41:39 | safetydan | preglow, looking at its comment parsing yes. Apparently whitespace is an alien concept to the author. |
| 11:41:47 | markun | dirtdawg: just start slowly. It will be fun :) |
| 11:42:30 | dirtdawg | Fun is relative. After all, I think Robot Finds Kitten is fun :D |
| 11:42:39 | preglow | safetydan: yeah, all of monty's code looks like that, i hate it |
| 11:42:43 | preglow | it's nearly unreadable |
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| 11:44:54 | dirtdawg | Goodnight. Thanks again to all who help develop Rockbox. I love it! |
| 11:44:57 | safetydan | preglow, seen the praise for your "work of art" eq? |
| 11:45:02 | preglow | haha, just did :P |
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| 11:45:17 | safetydan | we need a testimonials page |
| 11:45:30 | preglow | should we put the bad ones there to? :D |
| 11:47:40 | safetydan | Isn't that what the golden quotes page is for? |
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| 11:49:08 | preglow | haha, so we put praise in "testimonials" and flak in "goldenquotes"? i like it :P |
| 11:49:37 | Llorean | We could just have a WhatUsersThink wiki page, and let anyone edit it, and see where it goes. |
| 11:49:57 | Llorean | Might be a fun read after a few months |
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| 11:50:41 | safetydan | is filesize() a particularly expensive operation? I'm just curious why each metadata parser is required to populate the filesize attribute of the id3 struct. |
| 11:50:51 | safetydan | that could be done once in the comment metadata function |
| 11:51:45 | safetydan | s/comment/common/ |
| 11:55:40 | preglow | Llorean: probably contain about 500 bargain viagra offers and ten user feedback entries |
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| 11:56:32 | Zagor | I'm surprised monty uses so much newlines yet not a single space if he can avoid it |
| 11:56:50 | linuxstb | safetydan: If the metadata parsers are responsible for setting filesize, then that gives them the ability to strip tags. But I don't know if that's being used. |
| 11:57:13 | Zagor | boo, he wastes a space in pointer declarations :) |
| 11:57:23 | preglow | an outrage" |
| 11:57:24 | preglow | ! |
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| 13:24:14 | flami | Hi, I updated rockbox on my nano yesterday , works fine under Linux , now I wanted to play a game in weenydoze and it complains that it doesnt have a driver for the "rockbox media player" ... what can be done about that ? |
| 13:27:28 | GodEater_ | ignore it |
| 13:27:40 | markun | amiconn: ping |
| 13:27:46 | GodEater_ | the usb stack isn't finished. There is no driver to install. |
| 13:29:21 | flami | well it wont show me the player |
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| 13:31:30 | mrkiko | hi all! |
| 13:32:18 | GodEater_ | flami: Correct, because the stack is not finished yet. If you wish to see your player as a drive under windows, put it into disk mode, or the original firmware. |
| 13:32:44 | flami | god i hate windows so much |
| 13:32:59 | flami | thanks for the help ^^ |
| 13:33:53 | GodEater_ | why use it then ? |
| 13:34:18 | markun | hi mrkiko |
| 13:34:34 | jhMikeS | GodEater_: just to be able to say that? ;) |
| 13:34:48 | markun | or maybe it's not his computer? |
| 13:34:48 | mrkiko | Hi markun... |
| 13:35:59 | mrkiko | windows is a bad thing aniway... |
| 13:36:12 | * | petur does not understand linux fanboys |
| 13:36:17 | markun | I'm changing the balance setting to use dB, does anyone here know anything about the MAS'? |
| 13:36:42 | markun | petur: indeed, FreeBSD rocks ;P |
| 13:36:44 | hcs | petur: do not try and understand the fanboy, that is impossible |
| 13:37:06 | mrkiko | petur: freebsd... fantastic!!!! |
| 13:37:09 | jhMikeS | beh, I don't really care about the OS on my machine so long as I get done what I want. |
| 13:37:46 | mrkiko | jhMikeS: to get done what I want, I need to care about the OS on my machine. :) |
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| 13:38:31 | * | petur gets his things done on win and linux and gets annoyed by both of them from time to time |
| 13:38:43 | jhMikeS | mrkiko: If those rules ever apply to me for something, I'll care then :) |
| 13:39:16 | GodEater_ | isn't a fanboy someone who continually praises his choice of <insert product here> and refuses to listen to anyone criticising it ? |
| 13:39:50 | jhMikeS | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy |
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| 13:40:36 | pixelma | markun: what advantage would dB for balance have? |
| 13:40:42 | mrkiko | so I don't retain to be a fanboy |
| 13:40:43 | * | jhMikeS is just happy he beat everyone to the wikipedia link this time :p |
| 13:40:44 | markun | pixelma: it sounds better |
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| 13:41:30 | markun | pixelma: hm, I think you are right, there is no advantage :) |
| 13:41:40 | markun | as the percentage is in dB anyway |
| 13:41:40 | pixelma | wouldn't it need to be dynamic dependung on your volume setting then? |
| 13:41:49 | pixelma | *depending too |
| 13:41:52 | jhMikeS | dB for balance = linear balance control? |
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| 13:44:21 | jhMikeS | pixelma: not really, it should be a value with 0/0 being centered or 74L = -74R = full left for instance. However what level something is, you can always reduce the dB by some negative amount. |
| 13:45:14 | markun | jhMikeS: do you think having dB instead of percentage makes sense? |
| 13:45:33 | markun | would be the same reason we switched the volume control from percentage to dB |
| 13:46:07 | jhMikeS | yeah, then perceived shift would be linear to the value |
| 13:46:28 | jhMikeS | somehow you have to include -inf in there though |
| 13:46:53 | markun | I'm just a bit puzzled by the balance values for the Micronas 3507D |
| 13:47:48 | markun | for all other audio hw I have the balance from MIN_VOLUME to -MIN_VOLUME |
| 13:48:18 | amiconn | markun: Put simply, dB for balance would be more complex to handle |
| 13:48:21 | jhMikeS | isn't there an audio volume table |
| 13:48:26 | amiconn | *way* more complex |
| 13:48:27 | markun | amiconn: why complex? |
| 13:48:42 | amiconn | On some targets, at least |
| 13:48:46 | markun | it looks simpler to me |
| 13:48:58 | markun | I'll show you the patch I have, then you can comment on it |
| 13:49:10 | jhMikeS | do any targets have balance register or just L/R volume ones? |
| 13:49:27 | markun | http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/balance_db.patch |
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| 13:50:09 | markun | amiconn: can you check the mas related stuff I changed? |
| 13:50:38 | markun | I really don't see how it gets more complicated. What am I missing? |
| 13:50:40 | jhMikeS | markun: what about expressing the muted channel? |
| 13:51:12 | * | jhMikeS guesses a formatter could do that |
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| 13:51:37 | markun | jhMikeS: we don't do that for volume either |
| 13:52:29 | amiconn | MAS35xxF has a separate balance register, which is linear |
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| 13:53:27 | jhMikeS | markun: I know, but I'm just wanting to kick it off on the right foot |
| 13:53:40 | markun | amiconn: then I'll just keep that in % |
| 13:53:44 | markun | the rest was in dB anyway |
| 13:54:00 | amiconn | Why do you want balance in dB btw? |
| 13:54:02 | LinusN | what would be the benefit? |
| 13:54:52 | markun | isn't it the same reason we have the volume in dB? Becaus that is the actual unit we use? |
| 13:55:40 | LinusN | markun: yes, but what is the natural unit for balance? |
| 13:55:54 | markun | LinusN: I would say it's dB |
| 13:56:04 | amiconn | Umm, balance is actually in dB on MAS35xxF ... |
| 13:56:47 | markun | some questions about the 3507D |
| 13:56:51 | amiconn | It goes from -128dB to +127dB |
| 13:58:04 | amiconn | The 3507D doesn't handle volume/balance. It's the accompanying DAC3550 that handles it |
| 13:58:14 | markun | aha |
| 13:58:20 | amiconn | Plain left/right volume like most other DACs |
| 13:58:45 | markun | in sound.c: int current_balance = 0; /* -960..+960 |
| 13:59:00 | markun | that is the supposed range for MAS3507D |
| 13:59:21 | markun | but it says: int current_volume = 0; /* -780..+180 |
| 13:59:45 | amiconn | yes, and +18 - (-78) == 96 |
| 13:59:48 | markun | so sounds like balance should just be -780..+780 right? |
| 13:59:52 | markun | ah, ok |
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| 14:00:31 | markun | so, still against my change? |
| 14:00:53 | LinusN | i'm not against it, in fact i don't really care |
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| 14:01:27 | LinusN | i asked around when i first implemented this, and at that time we felt that percent is as good as any unit |
| 14:03:08 | markun | amiconn: for MAS3587F we have the min volume as -100, is that correct? |
| 14:04:32 | markun | the datasheet says -114 |
| 14:04:39 | amiconn | yes |
| 14:04:57 | amiconn | That's in order to keep the volume display in the status bar as 2 digits |
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| 14:05:16 | amiconn | (-100 == mute will be replaced by the mute symbol) |
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| 14:05:37 | LinusN | a really funny limitation |
| 14:05:48 | amiconn | Balance should use the full range of course, and that range is independent of volume, unlike on all other dacs |
| 14:06:02 | markun | amiconn: yes, I've fixed that now |
| 14:06:51 | * | LinusN recalls the utterly amusing percent/dB debate a long time ago |
| 14:07:54 | markun | amiconn: can you check my new patch? |
| 14:08:10 | markun | is the code for MAS3587F wrong? |
| 14:08:55 | markun | probably shouldn't use tenth-of-db, right? |
| 14:13:34 | markun | ok, new patch uploaded |
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| 14:31:34 | * | XavierGr_ just received a package from the USA, I wonder what's in there.... :) |
| 14:31:49 | markun | tell us! |
| 14:33:15 | XavierGr_ | surprise surprise it is a Gigeabeat S |
| 14:33:56 | XavierGr_ | it has some major cracks in its back though... now let's see if this thing turns on |
| 14:35:51 | preglow | markun: doesn't balance already use db? |
| 14:36:07 | preglow | markun: and anyway, i think balance should be in %, you almost never see db balance controls |
| 14:36:17 | preglow | they might BE db internally, but they always present a percent scale |
| 14:36:25 | markun | why not make the volume in percent again? |
| 14:36:37 | XavierGr_ | it's alive! :D |
| 14:37:30 | preglow | markun: well, because volume in db is an ordinary convention, if you ask me |
| 14:37:38 | markun | preglow: I just think it makes more sense to make the left channel x dB quieter than just a percentage over the whole range (in dB) |
| 14:37:49 | preglow | markun: i'm really not too interested in what exact db my balance is set to, but i am interested in what db my volume is |
| 14:38:05 | markun | what do you use balance for? |
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| 14:38:31 | preglow | markun: i never use it, but if i did, it would be to balance out something that seemed panned |
| 14:39:10 | markun | and not pan it by several dB but rather in percentage? |
| 14:39:35 | preglow | i don't care about the scale at all |
| 14:39:36 | markun | of the whole range in dB |
| 14:39:37 | preglow | i listen for the change i want |
| 14:40:05 | preglow | the only thing that would be good to fix with balance, is make the scale perceived linear, it's not right now |
| 14:40:11 | preglow | the upper part of the scale is much more usefull than the lower |
| 14:40:15 | markun | maybe useful for people with unbalanced hearing and several different rockbox targets :) |
| 14:40:50 | markun | yes, I agree with the last part |
| 14:41:06 | markun | that was what got me looking at the balance in the first place |
| 14:41:09 | preglow | but balance _is_ in decibels internally, right? |
| 14:41:33 | markun | for most targets it's just the difference between left and right in dB |
| 14:41:35 | preglow | 100% = -max db pan |
| 14:41:38 | preglow | yeah |
| 14:41:50 | markun | any idea how to make it sound more linear? |
| 14:41:53 | preglow | nope |
| 14:42:09 | preglow | balance is one thing i've never really cared much about, apart from just tuning something to sound right |
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| 14:43:19 | XavierGr_ | markun: is the phone out the video out on Gigabeat S too? |
| 14:43:30 | markun | last time I asked i got a lot less complaints... but that was before I wrote the patch of course :) |
| 14:43:39 | markun | XavierGr_: no idea |
| 14:44:06 | markun | I believe that toffe told me it works with the Gigabeat F remote, so I don't think they also put video in there |
| 14:44:21 | XavierGr_ | markun: but you have an S right? (in case I am asking the wrong person) |
| 14:44:28 | markun | no, only F40 |
| 14:44:41 | XavierGr_ | ah okay then, I thought you had one too |
| 14:44:59 | * | markun will soon be the only one in here without a Gigabeat S |
| 14:45:07 | markun | together with amiconn of course :) |
| 14:45:15 | XavierGr_ | hehe indeed |
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| 14:45:26 | pixelma | I'm not interested in one too ;) |
| 14:45:27 | markun | XavierGr_: linuxstb has one |
| 14:45:36 | linuxstb | XavierGr_: http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=12423&cat=2397 |
| 14:45:53 | markun | pixelma: strong feelings about my balance patch? |
| 14:47:39 | pixelma | my first thought was the same as preglow's but don't care much because I would decide based on what my ears tell me |
| 14:48:34 | pixelma | just not sure what the average user would think |
| 14:48:36 | XavierGr_ | linuxstb: yes I got that cable from the package, I just can't find another hole to put it in, save the headphone one |
| 14:48:57 | linuxstb | I would assume it's the headphone socket then. |
| 14:49:37 | XavierGr_ | stupid MTP only firmware |
| 14:49:43 | XavierGr_ | can't load music on it :( |
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| 14:50:36 | linuxstb | Why not? |
| 14:51:27 | XavierGr | because I need WMP 10... |
| 14:51:38 | XavierGr | I will install it just to try once |
| 14:52:24 | XavierGr | bah copying files with MTP takes forever, way slower than UMS |
| 14:52:45 | XavierGr | I will have to (try) start hacking tonight then |
| 14:52:58 | XavierGr | can't take advantage of this beauty without Rockbox |
| 14:53:37 | linuxstb | I thought MTP was built into Windows - meaning you could basically drag and drop with explorer? |
| 14:53:58 | XavierGr | well it did recognize it after I installed WMA 10 |
| 14:54:04 | XavierGr | -WMP |
| 14:54:38 | linuxstb | Ah, OK. But yes, the S is in desperate need of Rockbox... |
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| 14:55:55 | pixelma | hmm... just realise that there is a small inconvenience if one wants to use .talk clips on a hwcodec and a swcodec target. If I'd like to collect all the music on a PC and only copy some directories over to one of the targets from time to time, I would need a speex .talk-clip and an mp3 .talk-clip... |
| 14:56:25 | pixelma | or do I miss something there? |
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| 15:28:29 | linuxstb | pixelma: Would it have helped if mp3 and speex talk clips had different filenames? e.g. .talk (mp3) and .speak (speex)? |
| 15:31:48 | pixelma | would solve my problem (I wasn't sure if I described it good enough) - this way I could keep both on my PC and don't have to care when copying it over to one or the other device (which I do more often than other people with larger disk based players) |
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| 15:32:44 | linuxstb | That would probably be too much of an inconvenience to do now though... |
| 15:34:37 | pixelma | yes, probably |
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| 15:42:42 | J-23 | Hello! |
| 15:42:52 | DeeKay | Hey guys! 8) I really want rockbox (SID support! \o/) and I just backed up my iPod nano 1st gen 2GB, reformatted it Windows and installed Rockbox using the QT installer. Seemed to work fine, but the iPod keeps telling me "Can't load rockbox.ipod - file not found". but the file IS in /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod! He;lp? <:-) |
| 15:44:42 | DeeKay | And one more thing: The changing to a windows iPod on the Mac using the partition tables as described here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 does not work. dd tells me it cannot do this |
| 15:45:18 | GodEater_ | which step with dd ? |
| 15:45:22 | DeeKay | I did try uninstalling everything and re-installing it, to no avail... same problem! |
| 15:45:33 | GodEater_ | silly question - you mean part C ? |
| 15:45:57 | DeeKay | dd if=mbr-nano2GB.bin of=/dev/disk2 |
| 15:46:07 | GodEater_ | what's the exact error message it gives you ? |
| 15:46:31 | DeeKay | urm... damn, i closed the window already! <:-) |
| 15:46:45 | DeeKay | I think it was "cannot open device", but i may be wrong |
| 15:46:59 | DeeKay | can i try again now that i converted it to windows already? |
| 15:47:02 | GodEater_ | so how did you end up doing the conversion then ? |
| 15:47:06 | DeeKay | is it somewhere in console.log? |
| 15:47:11 | DeeKay | on a windows machine |
| 15:47:16 | GodEater_ | ah |
| 15:47:28 | GodEater_ | you certainly can try it again yes |
| 15:47:42 | DeeKay | ok, trying |
| 15:47:49 | GodEater_ | I suspect it may be because you either specified the device name in correctly, or didn't run it as a user with sufficient permissions |
| 15:47:58 | GodEater_ | s/in correctly/incorrectly |
| 15:49:09 | DeeKay | should i eject the whole disk or just umount the partition from diskutil? |
| 15:49:28 | GodEater_ | ejecting is a bad plan |
| 15:49:28 | DeeKay | i did run it as sudo, otherwise dd refuses to work at all! 8) |
| 15:49:38 | GodEater_ | unmounting is unnecessary |
| 15:49:53 | GodEater_ | although probably a good idea :) |
| 15:50:49 | DeeKay | well, it DOES say so in the tutorial |
| 15:51:17 | DeeKay | a) Find your iPod and unmount it |
| 15:51:20 | GodEater_ | yeah, unmount it then |
| 15:51:28 | GodEater_ | definitely don't eject it though |
| 15:51:31 | DeeKay | maybe that's what i did wrong? |
| 15:51:51 | GodEater_ | could be |
| 15:52:45 | DeeKay | yeah, that was it |
| 15:52:58 | DeeKay | dd: /dev/disk2: Operation not supported |
| 15:53:06 | DeeKay | (i did eject it, like before!) |
| 15:53:24 | GodEater_ | yeah - that would be the problem - the device file is no longer actually attached to the device at that point |
| 15:53:26 | DeeKay | so it prolly works if i just unmount the partition |
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| 15:53:42 | DeeKay | I'm not gonna do that, because then I'll have to start anew! ;-D |
| 15:54:13 | DeeKay | you should put that in the Wiki! "Do NOT eject it!" |
| 15:54:28 | GodEater_ | or you could |
| 15:54:35 | DeeKay | do I have to register? |
| 15:55:07 | GodEater_ | yep |
| 15:55:14 | GodEater_ | doesn't take long |
| 15:55:27 | GodEater_ | tell me what your wikiname is when you're done, and I'll give you write permissions |
| 15:57:28 | DeeKay | −−+ Access Denied |
| 15:57:28 | DeeKay | Access check on Main.IpodConversionToFAT32 failed. Action "change": access not allowed on web. |
| 15:57:32 | DeeKay | DeeKay |
| 15:57:55 | GodEater_ | That's your actual real name ? |
| 15:58:11 | DeeKay | Yes |
| 15:58:34 | GodEater_ | wow - where are you from ? |
| 15:58:54 | petur | which part is your first name? |
| 15:58:55 | DeeKay | Oh, you mean my private name? No, it's just my Initials |
| 15:59:05 | GodEater_ | Ah - in that case that's not allowed |
| 15:59:10 | GodEater_ | we insist on real names in the wiki |
| 15:59:24 | DeeKay | Well, and I insist on my privacy? <:-) |
| 15:59:36 | GodEater_ | in that case you don't get write permission :( |
| 15:59:58 | DeeKay | Who can see the real name? |
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| 16:00:15 | GodEater_ | everyone |
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| 16:00:49 | DeeKay | hm, that's a bad idea... |
| 16:01:00 | GodEater_ | why? |
| 16:01:22 | * | petur looks at Mr. God Eater ;) |
| 16:01:32 | DeeKay | Because everywhere you leave your real name, you show up in some search engines and datamining fuckheads use it to profile you |
| 16:02:01 | DeeKay | Yeah, Mr God Eater, preaching water, drinking wine? ;-) |
| 16:02:18 | petur | and they send me very targetted spam - not... |
| 16:03:08 | GodEater_ | I don't get any spam based on my real name |
| 16:03:25 | petur | exactly |
| 16:04:08 | DaCapn | I'm not sure why the real name would be required either |
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| 16:04:18 | DaCapn | *should be |
| 16:04:40 | petur | project policy |
| 16:04:49 | petur | all contributers great and small |
| 16:05:26 | DaCapn | right, well I'm saying that I know it's a policy but I don't know why that should be a policy |
| 16:05:36 | GodEater_ | it says it very clearly on the wiki registration page. If you disagree with it - don't register. |
| 16:05:49 | petur | last discussed at devcon2007 and kept - seel devcon2007 wiki page |
| 16:05:54 | petur | -l |
| 16:05:57 | DaCapn | that would be the exact reaction I had |
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| 16:06:29 | GodEater_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevCon2007#Anonymous_contributions |
| 16:06:53 | GodEater_ | broadly it means we can track contributions by people's legal names. |
| 16:07:26 | petur | bah, the page doesn't actually mention the policy - sorry |
| 16:07:47 | DeeKay | Well, here's a compromise: Make real names only visible to registered members. How bout that? 8) |
| 16:07:49 | DaCapn | it just seems like it does more harm than good for the wiki since people enjoy their privacy, policy probably causes the loss of some good posters |
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| 16:08:17 | petur | so be it. goodbye. |
| 16:08:41 | petur | several nice patches have been refused that way. |
| 16:09:38 | GodEater_ | the rules / policies aren't really up for discussion. As it repeatedly stated, Rockbox isn't a democracy :) |
| 16:09:42 | DeeKay | I guess people will have alot less problems giving their real names if they know they can't be datamined by spiders... |
| 16:10:07 | DeeKay | What is it then? 8) A dictatorship? |
| 16:10:12 | GodEater_ | yep |
| 16:10:30 | DeeKay | that's the first opensource project I see that is not democratic! ;-) |
| 16:10:50 | DaCapn | what is tracking people's post by real name useful for? |
| 16:10:59 | scorche|w | DeeKay: ever heard of this thing called "linux"? |
| 16:11:12 | DeeKay | contributing of copyrighted sourcecode I assume... |
| 16:11:14 | GodEater_ | DaCapn: so we know who contributed something |
| 16:11:16 | petur | "real software written by real people" |
| 16:11:40 | scorche|w | and i think rockbox is more of an Oligarchy, but that is just me ;) |
| 16:11:42 | DeeKay | well, iPodlinux didn't demand my real name! ;-) |
| 16:11:43 | GodEater_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GeneralFAQ#Where_exactly_did_the_name_Rockb |
| 16:11:58 | GodEater_ | iPodLinux are free to make their own policies. |
| 16:12:01 | petur | and a credits file full of nicknames doesn't look very professional |
| 16:12:33 | GodEater_ | Zagor is our beloved dictator. |
| 16:12:35 | DaCapn | heh |
| 16:12:48 | GodEater_ | and he's not even here right now |
| 16:13:15 | scorche|w | GodEater_: oligarchy! |
| 16:13:20 | GodEater_ | whatever |
| 16:13:25 | DeeKay | what about people that don't wanna contribute source but documentation etc? |
| 16:13:38 | scorche|w | same thing |
| 16:13:54 | GodEater_ | we're not interested in anonymous contributions. Period. |
| 16:14:38 | DeeKay | ok, have it your way... So what about that "file not found" problem? |
| 16:15:18 | * | linuxstb thought "select your iPod and click 'Unmount'." was quite explicit... |
| 16:15:52 | GodEater_ | I did too linuxstb |
| 16:16:05 | DeeKay | Well, here's the thing: you can select both the iPod and the partition on it... and it's not called "unmount" in every language! ;-) |
| 16:16:07 | GodEater_ | I've added the "do not eject" anyway though |
| 16:16:25 | DeeKay | In german there's "Deaktivieren" and "Auswerfen" |
| 16:16:32 | linuxstb | DeeKay: OK, fair point ;) |
| 16:17:00 | DeeKay | one more thing to add would be WHERE you can see the /diskX - select iPod and click "Info" |
| 16:17:23 | * | GodEater_ will leave it someone who actually owns a Max |
| 16:17:27 | GodEater_ | s/Max/Mac |
| 16:17:28 | DeeKay | right now it just says "find the disk name" |
| 16:18:11 | linuxstb | How do we know what the user has called their ipod? |
| 16:18:49 | DeeKay | No, we're not looking for the actual name, we're looking for the /diskX |
| 16:20:20 | linuxstb | The "manual instructions" are never going to be suitable for users who don't know their way around the command-line. That's why we suggest finding a Windows machine to do the conversion. I'm also working on adding conversion capabilities to ipodpatcher/rbutil, but that's not done yet. |
| 16:21:07 | DeeKay | Just add "(Select your iPod volume and click the "Info"-Button. It's the /diskX under "Media-Identification") after "...has assigned to your iPod" |
| 16:21:10 | GodEater_ | and will only work for a subset of ipods anyway unless you get your 1st dan in FAT. |
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| 16:21:42 | GodEater_ | or if Zagor takes pity on you ;) |
| 16:21:56 | DeeKay | well, there's alot of people like me with limited commandline knowledge! ;-) |
| 16:21:57 | linuxstb | GodEater_: I'm hoping once it works with 512-byte sectors, someone will jump in and fix for 2048 - I'm guessing it's relatively trivial if you know FAT. |
| 16:22:17 | GodEater_ | let's hope so |
| 16:22:28 | DeeKay | I know my way around some stuff like Imagemagick, AWK, sed etc, but dd is complete and utter mystery to me! ;-) |
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| 16:22:45 | GodEater_ | dd is child's play compared to sed/awk |
| 16:22:55 | * | linuxstb makes a good living with AWK... |
| 16:23:28 | DeeKay | yeah, awk rocks! 8) |
| 16:24:34 | DeeKay | anyhow, any ideas why rockbox.ipod cannot be found when it's there? |
| 16:24:57 | linuxstb | What ipod do you have? |
| 16:25:04 | GodEater_ | Nano 2GB |
| 16:25:07 | DeeKay | 1st gen nano 2GB |
| 16:25:27 | * | GodEater_ wonders if the windows machine has put the wrong sort of FAT on the device. |
| 16:25:28 | linuxstb | Where is the rockbox.ipod file on your Nano? (the full path) |
| 16:25:46 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: he used RBUtil to to the install |
| 16:25:46 | DeeKay | /.rockbox/ |
| 16:25:50 | GodEater_ | so it's in the right place |
| 16:26:44 | DeeKay | original OS works fine |
| 16:26:48 | linuxstb | GodEater_: I would have thought Rockbox would have given a "no partition" error if the partition wasn't formatted as FAT32 |
| 16:26:50 | DeeKay | bootloader itself seems to work fine, too |
| 16:27:05 | DeeKay | that little hardwaretest utility you included seems to work, too |
| 16:27:12 | GodEater_ | I thought "no partition" was based on the partition type in the mbr |
| 16:27:19 | GodEater_ | not the actual content of the partition |
| 16:27:27 | GodEater_ | but I bow to your greater experience |
| 16:27:27 | linuxstb | No, I don't think Rockbox pays any attention to the partition type |
| 16:27:35 | linuxstb | (ipodpatcher/rbutil does though) |
| 16:27:43 | DeeKay | well, it is formatted in FAT32 now, so that shouldn't be a problem |
| 16:27:45 | GodEater_ | in that case I'm stumped |
| 16:28:52 | DeeKay | i did try a chmod +x for rockbox.ipod to no avail (changed it back meanwhile) |
| 16:29:04 | GodEater_ | no such attribute on a fat partition |
| 16:29:11 | GodEater_ | so it makes no difference |
| 16:29:19 | amiconn | GodEater: Rockbox doesn't care about partition type (as long as it's != 5) |
| 16:29:22 | linuxstb | Maybe you have a stray mount point in /Volumes - if you unplug your Nano, do you still see it in /Volumes/ ? |
| 16:29:23 | GodEater_ | the bootloader wouldn't care |
| 16:29:39 | GodEater_ | amiconn: thanks for enlightening me :) |
| 16:29:45 | GodEater_ | I did believe linuxstb already though |
| 16:30:01 | DeeKay | Fuck me - You're right! It's still there! |
| 16:30:14 | DeeKay | Can't see it in the finder, but it's still in /Volumes |
| 16:30:58 | DeeKay | how did that happen? and what do I do now? 8) |
| 16:31:27 | GodEater_ | take the windows solution. Reboot! |
| 16:31:58 | linuxstb | Or try "diskutil unmount /Volumes/xxxxx" |
| 16:32:23 | linuxstb | DeeKay: I guess you unplugged without unmounting/ejecting. |
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| 16:32:49 | linuxstb | Being able to use chmod on a FAT device was the clue... |
| 16:33:41 | DeeKay | well, i did pull it out a little too early once after pushing the eject button.. but that was after it didn't work |
| 16:33:50 | GodEater_ | is that something Mac specific then ? |
| 16:34:20 | GodEater_ | cos I can chmod stuff on a FAT device from linux. It just doesn't do much other than affect the colours "ls" outputs in :) |
| 16:34:39 | linuxstb | GodEater_: That doesn't make sense - it must be caching it... |
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| 16:35:13 | DeeKay | So where do i go from here? reboot the machine to get rid of that stray mountpoint and then what? |
| 16:35:45 | linuxstb | Then just run Rockbox Utility again to install Rockbox |
| 16:35:56 | DeeKay | uninstall first I assume? |
| 16:36:03 | linuxstb | No, nothing is installed... |
| 16:36:24 | linuxstb | But you could delete that stray mount point - as it contains a copy of .rockbox |
| 16:36:35 | DeeKay | tried that, won't work |
| 16:36:40 | linuxstb | As root? |
| 16:36:54 | DeeKay | Volume failed to unmount |
| 16:36:56 | DeeKay | yeah |
| 16:37:02 | linuxstb | No, I mean "rm" it |
| 16:37:09 | DeeKay | well, with sudo! ;-) |
| 16:37:27 | DeeKay | rm -R /<iPod> ? |
| 16:38:03 | DeeKay | now it's gone |
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| 16:39:16 | DeeKay | just plugged in the iPod... You were right, /.rockbox is completely empty! ;-D |
| 16:39:34 | DeeKay | but where did that fake mountpoint come from anyway? |
| 16:40:01 | DeeKay | I think rbutil must've created it, cause it was definately copying somewhere all the time |
| 16:40:35 | DeeKay | that unplugging-without-unmounting was definately AFTER the installation with rbutil |
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| 16:41:09 | DeeKay | a hint is prolly that it cannot autodetect the iPpd |
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| 16:44:30 | DeeKay | is it normal that installing it takes a long time? |
| 16:45:01 | DeeKay | rbutil is unresponsive for atleast 3 minutes now while installing RB (only that, no bootloader etc) |
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| 16:45:47 | GodEater_ | it shouldn't take that long |
| 16:45:59 | GodEater_ | it downloads the zip file and then expands it onto your ipod |
| 16:46:16 | DeeKay | yeah, that's what I assumed... |
| 16:46:27 | GodEater_ | you could just do it manually of course... |
| 16:46:36 | DeeKay | can't even click "cancel", it's completely "rainbow-cursored" |
| 16:49:36 | GodEater_ | I'm not sure how well tested rbutil is on OSX - we don't have many people on that platform |
| 16:50:59 | DeeKay | I'm just copying over everything in /.rockbox/ manually |
| 16:53:00 | DeeKay | well, copying over manually takes forever, too, so I quit too early on rbutil! ;-) |
| 16:53:13 | DeeKay | lots of really small files + USB2.0 on a Mac = teh suck |
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| 17:00:23 | GodEater_ | do you have the Nano in emergency disk mode? Or the old firmware ? |
| 17:14:19 | Nico_P | j0tt: ping |
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| 17:19:28 | mycael | id rock box fully working with 5.5G ipods? |
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| 17:20:36 | mycael | nvm |
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| 17:27:19 | mycael | i get a HTML 404 error when the installer tries to downlaod the new file. |
| 17:27:35 | mycael | using 1.0.1 of the installer |
| 17:29:10 | DeeKay | okay, it works like a charm! ;-D Thanks so much for your help (and Rockbox!) Off to daddle around in Rockbox... |
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| 17:29:49 | DeeKay | installation takes like forever, but that's always when copying small files via USB, especially onto FAT32-volumes |
| 17:30:17 | DeeKay | Mac-USB2.0 speeds are lackluster, as is FAT32 speeds... |
| 17:30:21 | DeeKay | ok, off |
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| 17:31:16 | mycael | Anyone help. I get a 404 error when the installer tries to download rockbox.zip |
| 17:33:40 | preglow | hmm |
| 17:33:55 | preglow | just heard back from the faad guy, and he said the low power sbr mode isn't well maintained |
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| 17:38:38 | Nico_P | Bagder: I'm getting "an error was found by the version control system. Please notify your TWiki administrator." when attempting to save changes to a wiki page |
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| 17:42:08 | preglow | Llorean: when were you going to talk with the real guy again? |
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| 17:56:32 | Nico_P | preglow: he said today between 1.30 and 2 PM PST |
| 17:56:50 | Nico_P | preglow: this evening if you're near UTC |
| 17:57:06 | mycael | Anyone help. I get a 404 error when the installer tries to download rockbox.zip |
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| 17:59:14 | GodEater_ | mycael: which target ? |
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| 17:59:57 | mycael | tchan: sorry don't know much about RB. taget of the file? It just says rockbox.xom |
| 17:59:59 | mycael | com |
| 18:00 |
| 18:00:32 | GodEater_ | mycael: I meant which digital audio player do you have ? |
| 18:00:35 | pixelma | rockbox.com? |
| 18:00:44 | mycael | GodEater_: oh kk, iPod 5.5 80GB |
| 18:01:12 | pixelma | should be rockbox.org? |
| 18:01:16 | GodEater_ | works for me |
| 18:01:23 | GodEater_ | try again mycael |
| 18:01:26 | mycael | GodEater_: ok |
| 18:03:37 | mycael | GodEater_: picture http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o161/Mycael/Screenshot1-5.jpg |
| 18:05:48 | GodEater_ | odd |
| 18:05:55 | GodEater_ | I just downloaded it and it came down fine |
| 18:06:42 | | Part Daolan |
| 18:06:44 | mycael | i'm using a older installer 1.0.1 |
| 18:06:54 | mycael | could that be it? |
| 18:07:13 | GodEater_ | could be |
| 18:07:24 | * | GodEater_ has no clue what the latest version is |
| 18:07:45 | Crash91 | mycael: what mac version/pc are you using (out of curiosity, not related to discussion) |
| 18:08:11 | mycael | MacBook 10.5 2Ghz C2D 1gb ram 80GB HDD |
| 18:08:39 | Crash91 | nice, i have same specs 'cept its dell and 120GB HD :D |
| 18:09:14 | Crash91 | enojoying photoshop cs3? :P |
| 18:09:40 | mycael | who me? |
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| 18:09:59 | GamaX|Gary | hi, german support here? |
| 18:10:12 | Crash91 | yep, |
| 18:10:15 | mycael | yeah |
| 18:10:29 | Nico_P | mycael: you should upgrade |
| 18:10:33 | Crash91 | =) i love that peice of software |
| 18:10:38 | mycael | Nico_P: to |
| 18:10:44 | GamaX|Gary | ich hab ein problem ^^ |
| 18:10:48 | Crash91 | 2GB RAM...gonna get that soon |
| 18:10:48 | GamaX|Gary | vll könnt ihr helfen |
| 18:10:49 | mycael | Nico_P: i onlt got the trail |
| 18:10:55 | mycael | yeah |
| 18:11:01 | mycael | me to only £30 |
| 18:11:05 | Crash91 | hallo gary, ich spreche ein bißchen deutsch |
| 18:11:27 | Crash91 | ich werde helfen |
| 18:11:31 | pixelma | GamaX|Gary: try speaking english here, maybe you'll get more help |
| 18:11:36 | Crash91 | was ist dein problem? |
| 18:11:37 | GamaX|Gary | also wenn ich rockbox starten will sagt der im ipod error can't load rockbox |
| 18:11:47 | mycael | that was a mix |
| 18:12:16 | GodEater_ | English only channel here |
| 18:12:18 | Crash91 | hast du der ".rockbox" folder zu deinem mp3 speiler copiery? |
| 18:12:22 | GodEater_ | please stick to it |
| 18:12:25 | Crash91 | ok sorry |
| 18:12:35 | Crash91 | hehe, great way to practise my german tho :) |
| 18:12:40 | GodEater_ | it's in the channel guidelines |
| 18:12:46 | Crash91 | Gary: zu #crash bitte |
| 18:12:57 | Nico_P | mycael: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility#Download |
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| 18:17:32 | Crash91 | bertrik:hi |
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| 18:18:58 | mycael | the mac version won't work because i have a macpod! |
| 18:19:54 | mycael | how am i meant ot use it then? |
| 18:22:21 | mycael | Nico_P: anyway? |
| 18:22:57 | Nico_P | mycael: I think you need to convert your iPod to FAT32: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 18:23:09 | mycael | but will it still work with Mac? |
| 18:23:53 | Nico_P | yes |
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| 18:24:32 | imulator | hi |
| 18:24:34 | Crash91 | hi |
| 18:24:38 | mycael | hey |
| 18:24:42 | imulator | rockbox server right? |
| 18:24:47 | Crash91 | yes |
| 18:24:58 | imulator | im new in this tool xD |
| 18:25:36 | Crash91 | imulator: youre from germany right? Could i request your assisstance with something? |
| 18:26:20 | Crash91 | can you head over to #crash? |
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| 18:27:20 | mycael | Nico_P: do i need to use mtools |
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| 18:28:24 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
| 18:28:44 | mrkiko | Is there a way to make the bootloader boot by default the OF without pressing REC o removing itself on the iRiver H340? |
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| 18:32:01 | scorche|w | if you edit the code and compile...but i would be a bit careful on new bootloaders for the non-PP irivers... |
| 18:32:02 | mycael | How do i boot form rockbox on ipod? |
| 18:32:32 | scorche|w | mycael: it should boot into rockbox automatically once you install it |
| 18:32:34 | iamben | i think you install it and then turn on the ipod |
| 18:32:39 | mycael | kk |
| 18:32:45 | Crash91 | mycael: hold select+menu? |
| 18:32:51 | Crash91 | if you havent already |
| 18:34:08 | mycael | sent ipod into recovery mode |
| 18:34:10 | mrkiko | scorche|w: ... what does this mean? I know how I may edit the code, but I don't thrust myself enough to take this risk... |
| 18:35:30 | mycael | Crash91: i give up |
| 18:35:49 | imulator | german? |
| 18:35:54 | scorche|w | mrkiko: then dont |
| 18:37:06 | imulator | how do i have to call the pictures in the folder to show them on the play display^^? |
| 18:37:28 | Crash91 | anything you want, you just have to edit the WPS to contain those filenames |
| 18:37:50 | imulator | ?k |
| 18:38:14 | imulator | ill try |
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| 18:38:39 | mrkiko | the problem is that the manual is saying unright things.. |
| 18:38:50 | mrkiko | The bootloader must be fixed... |
| 18:38:59 | Crash91 | unright, which i believe would be the same as wrong? :P |
| 18:39:03 | mrkiko | or the manual changes... but I personally like the first option. |
| 18:39:05 | imulator | where is that WPS file? |
| 18:39:18 | mrkiko | Crash91: eright |
| 18:39:32 | Crash91 | .rockbox/wps/<theme-name>.wps |
| 18:39:46 | scorche|w | mrkiko: where is the manual incorrect? |
| 18:39:49 | mrkiko | The manual says that the rockbox bootloader , if rockbox firmware is not present, will boot the original firmware; this is not true, the boot loader will print a nice message and shutdown the player... |
| 18:39:53 | mrkiko | bastard boot loader :) |
| 18:40:08 | Crash91 | mrkiko: youre right |
| 18:40:28 | mrkiko | Crash91: ow much old are you (curiosity) |
| 18:40:34 | imulator | mhh i dont understand the wps file |
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| 18:41:02 | amiconn | The iriver bootloader needs a few more fixes. Probably most of these things are already fixed in svn, but releasing a new bootloader for irivers needs thorough testing, unlike other bootloaders |
| 18:42:01 | mrkiko | amiconn: ... the one I'm using is a yesterday svn oot loader |
| 18:42:09 | imulator | i have the wps of aero mac |
| 18:42:11 | amiconn | On iriver? |
| 18:42:18 | mrkiko | h340 |
| 18:42:20 | imulator | so where do i see the filename for the album picture? |
| 18:42:31 | Crash91 | 16 |
| 18:42:38 | amiconn | I would not dare to try an untested bootloader on my H340 or H180 |
| 18:42:53 | Crash91 | oh you mean album art? |
| 18:42:59 | imulator | yes |
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| 18:43:11 | scorche|w | mrkiko: where did you get it from?...by "svn bootloader" do you mean you built it yourself? |
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| 18:43:12 | Crash91 | ah one sec |
| 18:43:18 | imulator | ok |
| 18:43:20 | imulator | ill wait^^ |
| 18:43:26 | Crash91 | i thought you wanted to modify the WPS grpahics |
| 18:43:33 | imulator | no^^ |
| 18:43:35 | mrkiko | amiconn: you're right... but this H340 is the one of my brother, who requested me to install rockbox |
| 18:43:42 | mrkiko | and it works... |
| 18:43:47 | mrkiko | at least for us |
| 18:43:52 | amiconn | You were lucky then... |
| 18:43:55 | Crash91 | mrkiko: you? |
| 18:43:59 | imulator | i have sansa e200 if it will help u^^ |
| 18:44:09 | Crash91 | yes, i have one too :D |
| 18:44:16 | imulator | ^^ |
| 18:44:29 | Crash91 | this should clear all your doubt up: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt, |
| 18:44:37 | imulator | i was suprised it i saw rockbox xD |
| 18:44:39 | mrkiko | amiconn: i would like to make a question to a serious developer as you are. If something goes wrong with the boot loader on your iRiver, what should you do? |
| 18:44:45 | imulator | ij thx crash |
| 18:44:46 | imulator | ok |
| 18:44:49 | imulator | not ij^^ |
| 18:44:49 | amiconn | The problem with the coldfire irivers is that a broken bootloader can render the device unusable, and for recovery you need to access it via bdm |
| 18:44:57 | Crash91 | imulator: bitte |
| 18:45:04 | mrkiko | I ate boot loaders also, I like to let them in theyr place... without touching them when I can |
| 18:45:15 | amiconn | The only developer who has a bdm wiggler is LinusN |
| 18:45:20 | Crash91 | mrkiko: how old are you? (curiosity) |
| 18:45:21 | imulator | ger? |
| 18:45:22 | imulator | ^^^ |
| 18:45:31 | Crash91 | nope, school |
| 18:45:35 | Crash91 | ^^ |
| 18:46:26 | imulator | ^^ |
| 18:46:31 | imulator | another question |
| 18:46:38 | Crash91 | fire |
| 18:46:39 | imulator | there are games in rockbox |
| 18:46:45 | amiconn | All other targets have built-in safety measures to recover from installing a broken bootloader |
| 18:46:46 | Crash91 | helll yeah! |
| 18:46:46 | imulator | are they java? |
| 18:46:49 | Crash91 | nope |
| 18:46:55 | mrkiko | amiconn: so ... those models are examples of user-abusing design... |
| 18:46:59 | imulator | ok |
| 18:47:12 | imulator | i thought i could so my mobilpjonegames on it^^ |
| 18:47:14 | Crash91 | nothing at all that is related to windows/linux/mac...rockbox is independent |
| 18:47:22 | Crash91 | :) |
| 18:47:28 | amiconn | mrkiko: ? |
| 18:47:52 | mrkiko | amiconn: my english is ... too bad :) |
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| 18:48:09 | imulator | i now crash^^ |
| 18:48:18 | mrkiko | amiconn: this is an example, in my opinion at least, of a badly designed device.. |
| 18:48:27 | mrkiko | at least from our point of view... |
| 18:48:41 | Crash91 | :) |
| 18:48:51 | amiconn | Having a method to recover from a broken installation is always a good idea. Dunno why iriver didn't think of that |
| 18:49:16 | Crash91 | they are rebels |
| 18:49:24 | mrkiko | amiconn: Probably they wan't you play with theyr devices with your own firmware... |
| 18:49:32 | Crash91 | theyre too cool to have that kind of mundane stuff |
| 18:49:59 | mrkiko | Crash91: probably... :) |
| 18:50:00 | amiconn | mrkiko: The same thing applies if you flash a broken original firmware, or something goes wrong during flashing |
| 18:50:21 | amiconn | You cannot recover without special, somewhat expensive hardware |
| 18:51:09 | mrkiko | amiconn: aniway ... probably I have one of those players definitely market-death.. |
| 18:51:20 | amiconn | The iAudios supported by rockbox (X5 and M5) are also coldfire based, and those have a quite good recovery concept |
| 18:51:30 | mrkiko | I may be better in changing it ... even if it's perfect from an hardware point of vbiew. |
| 18:51:31 | imulator | i have a problem |
| 18:51:58 | imulator | i have undefined instruction at 1060020 on my screen and i cant turn off my sansa |
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| 18:52:25 | amiconn | But other than the lack of a proper recovery concept, the irivers are nice targets. Especially the H1x0 has several features not found in newer/more popular DAPs |
| 18:52:26 | Crash91 | imulator: hold the off kay for ~20s |
| 18:52:30 | Crash91 | key* |
| 18:52:37 | imulator | 20s? |
| 18:52:44 | Crash91 | more like 15s but yeah hold it |
| 18:52:44 | imulator | ah^^ |
| 18:52:50 | Crash91 | until the screen goes blank |
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| 18:53:18 | imulator | mhh i have no album art |
| 18:53:25 | imulator | i changed it to cover.bmp |
| 18:54:17 | Crash91 | imulator: personally i dont use it, you could ask someone who does |
| 18:54:17 | mrkiko | amiconn: if I would change the player, what player may you tell me to choose? Are you in accord with the buyer's guide on wiki= |
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| 18:55:42 | imulator | mhh i have sansa 260e and it works fine |
| 18:55:48 | imulator | bought before 2 days |
| 18:56:03 | mrkiko | amiconn: aniway, I'll not fill a bug report from home - my brailel device is totally broken or so; in fact I have any time I want to read, frozze the Linux screen ... |
| 18:56:05 | imulator | but im noob in mp3 players what is good or not^^ |
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| 18:57:36 | imulator | mhh i think the album art is too big |
| 18:57:38 | imulator | 300x300^^ |
| 18:57:52 | bertrik | I have a sansa e260 too and it's very nice, also less expensive than an ipod |
| 18:58:41 | mrkiko | bertrik: how much disk space? |
| 18:58:45 | imulator | yes and with rockbox same features as ipod |
| 18:58:50 | imulator | mhh not quite the same |
| 18:59:02 | imulator | u can chhose: 2 4 or 8 i think |
| 18:59:04 | bertrik | 4 GB |
| 18:59:07 | imulator | with micro sd slot |
| 18:59:17 | imulator | so u can increase up to 4 gb |
| 18:59:28 | imulator | right? |
| 18:59:42 | imulator | wohooo i have album art xD |
| 18:59:52 | imulator | size is 65x65^^ |
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| 19:00:20 | Crash91 | i have 2gb+1gb microSD ^^ |
| 19:00:28 | imulator | watching videos at sansa is nice^^ |
| 19:00:44 | imulator | but for complete films i think to small space? |
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| 19:02:03 | Crash91 | imulator: you can convert them |
| 19:02:13 | Crash91 | for rockbox, and they are smaller |
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| 19:02:30 | imulator | size`? |
| 19:02:32 | Crash91 | but depends....i personally dislike wathcing video on such a small screen |
| 19:02:52 | Crash91 | if you have VLC installed, there is a easy way |
| 19:03:08 | imulator | mhh but for driving to school a good similarity^^ |
| 19:03:13 | imulator | or free lesson^^ |
| 19:03:20 | Crash91 | lol yes i agree |
| 19:03:44 | imulator | how big is the screen? |
| 19:03:44 | Crash91 | half our class are away on trips..and when i was "listening to music" you can tell i wasnt looking at my book ^^ |
| 19:03:50 | Crash91 | 176*220 |
| 19:03:52 | Crash91 | pixels |
| 19:03:54 | imulator | ok thx |
| 19:04:00 | Crash91 | wait |
| 19:04:09 | Crash91 | if you have VLC it is very simple |
| 19:04:19 | mrkiko | thx -> not allowed; someone may ban you |
| 19:04:32 | imulator | really? |
| 19:04:39 | imulator | i have vlc |
| 19:04:49 | imulator | why is thx not allowed? |
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| 19:05:15 | Crash91 | imulator: windows? |
| 19:05:22 | imulator | yes |
| 19:05:43 | Soap | see the topic, imulator. |
| 19:05:44 | Crash91 | http://files-upload.com/files/663079/vlc.bat download this file and simply drag a video onto it and VLC will open and convert it for you |
| 19:05:51 | Crash91 | copy the file produced to your sansa |
| 19:06:03 | imulator | ah^^ |
| 19:06:09 | mrkiko | imulator: read IRC guidelines ... |
| 19:06:20 | Crash91 | i have watched a full movie which i recorded off TV, the size went from 1.8GB to ~250MB |
| 19:06:28 | imulator | nice |
| 19:06:32 | mrkiko | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines or something similar. I personally dislike those, but I should respect them as I wish stay there without problems. |
| 19:06:34 | imulator | can i say thanks? |
| 19:06:40 | imulator | or thank you? |
| 19:06:58 | Crash91 | lol yes yes, its just the guidelines are wierd |
| 19:07:17 | mrkiko | imulator: I know also people remembering others about guidelines is ... just tedious... |
| 19:07:34 | imulator | dont know tedious |
| 19:07:39 | imulator | i'm german |
| 19:07:47 | Uncle_Tom | hello, may I asked if someone knows about the problem that the sansapatcher doesn't find my sansa e200 v1? |
| 19:07:55 | imulator | yes |
| 19:07:55 | Crash91 | tedious=stressful |
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| 19:08:09 | imulator | put the file in the root of your player |
| 19:08:35 | mrkiko | imulator: stressful, right... |
| 19:08:40 | Uncle_Tom | imulator: do you talk to me now? |
| 19:08:41 | imulator | and start |
| 19:08:43 | bertrik | Uncle_Tom: is your sansa in MSC mode? |
| 19:08:51 | imulator | yes |
| 19:09:00 | imulator | mrkiko ? |
| 19:09:01 | Uncle_Tom | jepp, everything fine with the "how to install" |
| 19:09:16 | imulator | you mean its not good for you? |
| 19:09:21 | Uncle_Tom | I uploaded all files to .rockbox |
| 19:09:28 | Crash91 | no it is anstrengend |
| 19:09:31 | imulator | but sansapatcher? |
| 19:09:38 | imulator | anstrengend ah i know now^^ |
| 19:09:46 | Crash91 | :D my german is so useful |
| 19:09:46 | imulator | sansapatcher on root |
| 19:09:50 | imulator | not .rockbox |
| 19:09:56 | imulator | yes i see |
| 19:10:11 | Uncle_Tom | sansapatcher must be on the player? |
| 19:10:16 | imulator | yes |
| 19:10:18 | imulator | root |
| 19:10:21 | Crash91 | Uncle_Tom: copy sansapatcher, right click on your sansa and past, run from there |
| 19:10:25 | imulator | example: F: |
| 19:10:29 | pixelma | no? |
| 19:10:33 | Uncle_Tom | ok, wait a moment |
| 19:10:46 | pixelma | sansapatcher needs to be on your computer |
| 19:10:48 | bertrik | Uncle_Tom: there's no reason to put sansapatcher on the device itself I think |
| 19:11:18 | Crash91 | i dont think that is would make a difference |
| 19:11:19 | imulator | if i connect my sansa to my pc in rockbox mode it dont works |
| 19:11:21 | Uncle_Tom | @bertrik: that is what I thought, too |
| 19:11:34 | imulator | mhh i too |
| 19:11:36 | imulator | but |
| 19:11:46 | imulator | i did only work on the player^^ |
| 19:11:46 | Crash91 | its in read-only mode, so raw disk usage shouldnt make a difference |
| 19:12:03 | mrkiko | hey guys! Not natively-english people and boot-loader installations are not good things togeter :) |
| 19:12:04 | Crash91 | mrkiko: you havent asnwered my question |
| 19:12:05 | pixelma | Uncle_Tom: what operating system are you on? |
| 19:12:16 | Uncle_Tom | win xp |
| 19:12:21 | bertrik | do you have a recent version of sansapatcher? what version does 'sansapatcher −−version" show? |
| 19:12:22 | Uncle_Tom | sp2 |
| 19:12:25 | imulator | windows vista |
| 19:12:40 | Crash91 | mrkiko: im indian, and have never had a problem with rockbox bootloaders |
| 19:12:41 | imulator | and ubuntu linux |
| 19:12:41 | pixelma | and you run sansapatcher as administrator? |
| 19:12:49 | Crash91 | imulator:laptop? |
| 19:12:53 | imulator | no |
| 19:12:56 | imulator | desktop pc |
| 19:13:03 | Crash91 | damn i have a lappy |
| 19:13:06 | imulator | ^^ |
| 19:13:09 | pixelma | (my question was to Uncle_Tom |
| 19:13:13 | imulator | are ^^ allowed`? |
| 19:13:24 | Crash91 | dont worry unless someone says something :) |
| 19:13:31 | Uncle_Tom | ok, the hint was the administrator |
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| 19:13:47 | Uncle_Tom | you must be admin to run sansa patcher successfully |
| 19:13:48 | imulator | kk |
| 19:14:10 | pixelma | imulator: probably less, but there is also a rule about short lines, read the link in the topic ;) |
| 19:14:17 | pixelma | s/less/yes |
| 19:14:26 | Uncle_Tom | why (the hell) do I need admin rights to read a port |
| 19:14:46 | Uncle_Tom | pixelma: thanks |
| 19:14:59 | Uncle_Tom | rest: thanks, too |
| 19:15:02 | imulator | without admin rights windows is mhhh |
| 19:15:08 | imulator | i wouldnt say stubid |
| 19:15:29 | imulator | but its not so good as you use with admin ;-) |
| 19:15:48 | pixelma | Uncle_Tom: glad you got it working :) |
| 19:15:54 | Uncle_Tom | imulator: are you german? |
| 19:16:04 | imulator | yes |
| 19:16:27 | Uncle_Tom | pixelma: me too, quite curious about trying rockbox now |
| 19:16:58 | Uncle_Tom | imulator: ach schön, ich auch (me too, for all anglosaxon speaking people here) |
| 19:17:11 | pixelma | Uncle_Tom: well, you actually write to the device (the new bootloader) though can't tell you much more about the details... |
| 19:17:50 | imulator | mhh haste das installations programm? |
| 19:17:53 | bertrik | Uncle_Tom: make sure to check out various themes, they make it look so much better |
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| 19:18:33 | Uncle_Tom | bertrik: just let me go home from work and then I can spend the whole evening trying new themes |
| 19:18:56 | Uncle_Tom | imulator: ja, läuft jetzt alles |
| 19:18:58 | imulator | wich player do you have uncle tom? |
| 19:19:01 | imulator | ah gut |
| 19:19:02 | imulator | ^^ |
| 19:19:04 | Uncle_Tom | e250 |
| 19:19:13 | imulator | ah hab 10 mehr ;-) |
| 19:19:17 | Uncle_Tom | upps 260 |
| 19:19:32 | bertrik | rbutil makes installation of themes and other stuff really easy, download it from http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/ |
| 19:20:15 | Uncle_Tom | I'll try rbutil, too. I already downloaded it but it didn't work for the install process |
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| 19:20:28 | Uncle_Tom | I suppose that I would have needed admin rights, too |
| 19:20:44 | pixelma | Uncle_Tom: at least for the installation... what I wanted to say :) |
| 19:21:25 | Uncle_Tom | but to work with rbutil, do I have to boot the original firmware or can I use rockbox? |
| 19:21:42 | imulator | lass den sansa ma aus |
| 19:21:46 | imulator | und verbinde mit pc |
| 19:21:50 | imulator | dann kannste installieren |
| 19:21:54 | Uncle_Tom | ok, danke |
| 19:22:01 | Crash91 | german not allowed here :P |
| 19:22:03 | imulator | weil mit rockbox kann ich irgendwie net verbinden |
| 19:22:07 | advcomp2019 | imulator, english please |
| 19:22:10 | imulator | yeah |
| 19:22:17 | imulator | shoul i translate? |
| 19:22:39 | Uncle_Tom | he just told me that I should connect the sansa being switched off |
| 19:22:45 | pixelma | imulator: please stop that and stick to the guidelines, you broke them multiple times now and it's getting annoying. There are there for a reason which you would know if you had read them. |
| 19:23:00 | pixelma | s/There/They |
| 19:23:02 | imulator | i read them |
| 19:23:14 | imulator | but saw nothing about german district |
| 19:23:30 | Soap | reread the fourth bullet point |
| 19:23:44 | Crash91 | oh for the love of arguing about guidelines, just go to #crash to talk in german :P |
| 19:24:36 | Crash91 | correctly-spelled English << emphasis on english |
| 19:24:38 | imulator | the fourth said that i have to used grammatical correctly words |
| 19:24:42 | scorche|w | Crash91: really..how many times are you going to plug your channel in here?...this is the 5th time by my estimates |
| 19:25:18 | Soap | imulator, read it again, you continue to miss a key word |
| 19:25:18 | imulator | mhhh i go out here |
| 19:25:20 | imulator | its late |
| 19:25:35 | imulator | i cant englisch very good |
| 19:26:01 | Uncle_Tom | at least you talk germanized english :) |
| 19:26:05 | imulator | so i only understand not all |
| 19:26:21 | Crash91 | scorche|w: well, ill try to do that as many times as i can wihtout alerting anyone :) |
| 19:26:40 | imulator | mhh byebye^^ |
| 19:26:43 | imulator | i go sleep |
| 19:26:53 | imulator | ing |
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| 19:27:34 | Domonoky | Crash91: now you have alerted someone, so please stop it... :-) |
| 19:27:50 | Crash91 | i kinda got that when he said it :) |
| 19:27:55 | pixelma | Uncle_Tom: to copy files over to the Sansa you boot into the original firmware because Rockbox doesn't have its own USB implementation yet (it's being worked on). That will happen automatically if you plug the USB cable when the Sansa is turned off |
| 19:28:41 | * | scorche|w wonders if he really has to add a "no advertising" guidelines |
| 19:28:53 | * | scorche|w steals the s away to be used at a later time |
| 19:28:54 | mud-rb | pixelma: i thought that the automatic booting to OF was disabled with the new start of USB code (at least mine doesn't anymore) |
| 19:28:57 | Uncle_Tom | pixelma: I just realized recently as I plugged my sansa to the usb port |
| 19:29:59 | bertrik | mud-rb: indeed something seems to broken in that regard, mine reboots maybe half the time |
| 19:30:05 | * | Crash91 wonders why there isnt a #rockbox-german or #rockbox-foreign-languages |
| 19:30:31 | Soap | because splintering of effort is wasteful |
| 19:30:33 | pixelma | mud-rb: works for me (on a Sansa c200), |
| 19:30:49 | bertrik | pixelma: does the display turn off just before rebooting? |
| 19:31:01 | bertrik | s/display/backlight/ |
| 19:31:12 | mud-rb | pixelma: hmm, i wonder if that's some kind of bug then. mine i have to manually boot to OF or it never does it |
| 19:31:46 | Uncle_Tom | ok, guys, I'll be off now. time for some evening freetime - otherwise myjob will eat me |
| 19:32:00 | mud-rb | mine is an e200 though, maybe that makes a difference somehow |
| 19:32:01 | Crash91 | hmm, i updated mine the day the new USB stack was released, and it still autoboots OF |
| 19:32:13 | Crash91 | e200 btw |
| 19:32:18 | pixelma | bertrik: are you asking about rebooting from an off-state or from a running Rockbox? |
| 19:32:26 | bertrik | from a running rockbox |
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| 19:32:38 | mud-rb | Crash91: oh, did you update your bootloader too? i bet that's why mine doesn't (i did) |
| 19:32:42 | bertrik | mine boots fine into the OF when booting from off-state |
| 19:32:47 | Crash91 | off-state i mean |
| 19:33:00 | Crash91 | is it meant to while running RB? |
| 19:33:24 | mrkiko | no |
| 19:33:31 | mrkiko | Crash91: off-state probably is when the player is off |
| 19:33:50 | pixelma | bertrik: that didn't work correctly before and is now more reliable for me (with the new USB stack). |
| 19:34:25 | mrkiko | Can someone fill a bug report for me about the iriver boot loader not booting in the OF when .rockbox miss, as the manual says? I'll may do it tomorrow... but I don't know... |
| 19:34:35 | bertrik | pixelma: and does the backlight turn off when rebooting from a running rockbox? |
| 19:34:36 | Crash91 | yes, i wondered when i saw my friend's ipod reboot automatically, that the feature was not implemented on the sansa |
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| 19:35:08 | pixelma | before it got stuck on the Rockbox USB screen about 50% of the times and the backlight turned off, but you could see it in certain light |
| 19:35:14 | mud-rb | mine does a nice hard crash when the USB is inserted, which is sort of like a reboot :) |
| 19:35:44 | Crash91 | mud-rb: ah! thats the reason why my RB was crashing allt he time on usb! i wanted to charge |
| 19:36:00 | Crash91 | the LCD screen "clouded up" on me |
| 19:36:09 | pixelma | bertrik: yes, backlight is flickering a few times quickly |
| 19:36:25 | mrkiko | I think rockbox breaks our hardware :) |
| 19:36:32 | bertrik | hmmm, there's an i2c command to the backlight controller to disable the backlight just before reboot but it doesn't seem to work on my e200, i think the sansa is rebooted before the command is fully executed |
| 19:36:33 | * | Crash91 runs off to fetch his sansa |
| 19:37:36 | bertrik | actually the i2c command seems to mess up some settings |
| 19:37:39 | Crash91 | crash on USB |
| 19:38:03 | bertrik | Crash91: I also get the "clouding" effect, it happens when the LCD is no longer refreshed AFAIK |
| 19:38:10 | Crash91 | yep |
| 19:38:32 | bertrik | Crash91: but does it work consistently, i.e. does it _always_ reset or just sometimes? |
| 19:39:02 | Crash91 | second time: didnt go to USB screen, charge icon shows |
| 19:40:32 | Crash91 | when i tried to conenct it to my satellite box to charge it crashed consistently 3-4 times |
| 19:41:01 | Crash91 | third time: crash |
| 19:41:42 | Crash91 | crashed again |
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| 19:41:51 | jott | Nico_P: pong |
| 19:41:58 | Nico_P | hi :) |
| 19:41:59 | bertrik | a crash, not a reboot? I think the clouding effect is normal for a reboot and probably not harmful. |
| 19:42:14 | Crash91 | let me check |
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| 19:43:04 | Sam1337 | IpodLinux ftw! |
| 19:43:35 | Crash91 | yes, crash not reboot |
| 19:44:01 | Crash91 | wow the LCD is completely purple.. |
| 19:44:16 | mrkiko | ... hey... after carefully reading it, I modified trivially the iRiver boot loader... |
| 19:44:29 | mrkiko | but Now I can't test it, and I'll never do probably. If someone can help me some way... |
| 19:44:47 | mrkiko | I know channel is logged, so LinusN may contact me when I'll re-login tomorrow or so |
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| 19:44:58 | pixelma | Crash91: when did you last update your bootloader? The display turning purple was often reported with an older one on the e200s... |
| 19:45:12 | Crash91 | ages ago |
| 19:45:30 | Crash91 | id say maybe august? definitely july |
| 19:45:59 | Crash91 | guess its time to update |
| 19:46:11 | mrkiko | Crash91: be careful |
| 19:46:37 | Crash91 | its easy :) update with sansa updater, and patch with sansapatcher :) |
| 19:48:48 | * | Crash91 thinks it would be wonderful if sandisk eventually funds rockbox |
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| 19:53:31 | mrkiko | -me updates rockbox |
| 19:53:36 | mrkiko | *** sorry |
| 19:53:40 | * | mrkiko updates rockbox |
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| 20:08:16 | * | mrkiko waits for rockbox to end playing the last song on the folder |
| 20:08:23 | mrkiko | Will it crash? |
| 20:09:23 | mrkiko | n |
| 20:09:26 | mrkiko | no |
| 20:09:26 | Crash91 | nope |
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| 20:41:53 | fr0y0 | anyone here using theri iAudio X5 with rockbox? :> |
| 20:41:57 | fr0y0 | their* |
| 20:42:04 | Chronon | Why does wav2wv seem to have no documentation? |
| 20:42:24 | n1s | Chronon: maybe no one wrote documentation for it? |
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| 20:43:16 | pixelma | fr0y0: anyone around here with an X5 probably does... ;) |
| 20:43:34 | Chronon | ok. It doesn't seem to have any wiki entries, nor is it mentioned in the manual. |
| 20:45:05 | fr0y0 | pixelma, do you? ^^ |
| 20:45:19 | pixelma | Chronon: most probably it's not the only thing lacking (good) documention |
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| 20:45:36 | fr0y0 | i just would like to hear some reports about the overall "performance" of rockbox in the X5 :) |
| 20:45:44 | fr0y0 | since i'll get mine on saturday |
| 20:46:04 | pixelma | fr0y0: I only have the "brother" of it - the M5 :) |
| 20:46:25 | amiconn | Who is in charge of the fnarfbargle.com build server? |
| 20:46:30 | n1s | pixelma: s/probably/definitely :> |
| 20:46:47 | pixelma | yeah, pitily |
| 20:46:52 | Chronon | pixelma: Right, properties.rock also doesn't seem to be mentioned in either place. I don't have much knowledge of either of these, but I'll start a couple of stubs on the wiki at least. |
| 20:46:55 | amiconn | It's still missing the arm multilib patch |
| 20:47:18 | amiconn | Chronon: properties.rock isn't meant to be called directly |
| 20:48:02 | n1s | I actually think i added some blurb about the properties thing to the manual... anyway it isn't exactly difficult to figure out |
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| 20:48:16 | * | amiconn thinks we should have a list of all build servers and their admins |
| 20:49:16 | Chronon | ok. Well, I'll start a stub for PluginWav2wv and add it to the plugin list anyway. |
| 20:49:20 | n1s | yep, properties is mentioned (and explained briefly) in the "File Menu" section |
| 20:49:22 | scorche|w | amiconn: google says "perplexity" |
| 20:49:38 | Chronon | ok... I didn't properly search the manual for that one, just the wiki |
| 20:49:56 | scorche|w | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20060908#10:02:15 |
| 20:49:59 | Chronon | bye for now. . . |
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| 20:50:14 | n1s | Chronon: the manual is supposed to be the primary documentation for users |
| 20:50:18 | n1s | crap |
| 20:52:06 | pixelma | n1s: wanted to ask you something... currently the system chapter in the manual is wrong for some targets (like mentioning disk poweroff or battery and so on) and no easy way to opt it. What do you think about adding some "UseOption"s to the platform files like "BATTERY_TYPES" and so on and rework it based on this? |
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| 20:53:15 | n1s | pixelma: I think that the more stuff that is controlled by the platform files, the better, makes stuff much easier :) |
| 20:53:16 | amiconn | The 'disk poweroff' option does no longer exist |
| 20:53:29 | pixelma | n1s: somewhat similar to the features.txt so to speak :) |
| 20:54:28 | pixelma | amiconn: was just a bad example then |
| 20:54:46 | pixelma | but things like anti-shake buffer and so on |
| 20:54:54 | * | amiconn thinks pixelma meant 'disk spindown' |
| 20:55:23 | pixelma | maybe |
| 20:56:23 | pixelma | n1s: ok, will have a try then. Currently the c200 manual is quite a bit off there... |
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| 20:58:55 | dionoea | /win 35 |
| 20:58:58 | dionoea | oops |
| 20:59:02 | dionoea | 3~ /win 35 |
| 20:59:22 | pixelma | /loose :) |
| 20:59:36 | dionoea | :p |
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| 21:00:38 | pixelma | one o too many but... |
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| 21:11:30 | n1s | pixelma: minor changes to system settings chapter committed shouldn't affect anything you are doing though |
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| 21:13:38 | pixelma | n1s: no problem at all since I haven't started yet. I just had a look at the manual and the source and thought about possible solutions :) |
| 21:14:38 | n1s | pixelma: I like sort-of mirroring the #defines from config-*.h files in the platform files to make things easy to remember |
| 21:15:18 | pixelma | I imagined it like the features.txt somehow... |
| 21:16:56 | stripwax | jhMikeS - thanks *very* much for the comments on 8226 - really appreciate it! |
| 21:17:07 | * | stripwax goes digging |
| 21:17:12 | n1s | yeah, that could work too, will require some sort of parsing though but would be easy to maintain, especially if it uses #defines directly |
| 21:18:56 | pixelma | n1s: I didn't think this far only that there could be these "UseOption"s with the same name |
| 21:20:08 | pixelma | would be above my head anyway to set something up to automatically connect the two |
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| 21:21:50 | n1s | we could probably use the features list directly and somehow automate creation of the appropriate UseOption's hmm, will need some sort of perl/Makefile vodoo... |
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| 21:23:50 | n1s | and the neither lang files nor the manual would be hurt by features that don't apply to both |
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| 21:27:29 | pixelma | well this also means some rework of some parts of the manual that should use those new options |
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| 21:31:08 | n1s | pixelma: yes of course or else it would be pointless. however we don't need to do it in one hit as the manual will not care about UseOption's that it doesn't use |
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| 21:33:10 | pixelma | yes, true |
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| 21:38:35 | pixelma | n1s: so how would I start? Creating the options I need by hand, using the same names as the features.txt (maybe uppercase?) and hope they are still correct once there is an automtic creation for them? |
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| 21:42:12 | pixelma | *automatic |
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| 21:49:11 | Llorean | Alright, the guy from Helix/Real should be calling me in ~1 hour. Did anyone have any final concerns, ideas, or things I might bring up? |
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| 21:57:08 | Lear | About licensing? |
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| 21:59:03 | Llorean | Yes |
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| 22:01:37 | stripwax | jhMikeS - hm, where is CACHEALIGN_AT_LEAST defined? |
| 22:09:09 | stripwax | ah, CACHEALIGN_AT_LEAST_ATTR |
| 22:14:29 | preglow | Lear: i can't make ps files work again :/ |
| 22:15:10 | Lear | Oh? |
| 22:16:20 | Lear | Sound like crap, or what? |
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| 22:23:13 | n1s | pixelma: I dunno but it would just be a simple search and replace if we need to change the names |
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| 22:27:10 | * | petur slaps Lear: the proper term is 'sound like bag of shit' |
| 22:27:45 | * | stripwax chuckles |
| 22:27:57 | * | pixelma wanted to say something similar but didn't find the right way to put this :) |
| 22:28:07 | * | n1s wonders what's upp with that helix thing |
| 22:28:54 | n1s | are we trying to get them to gpl it or what? |
| 22:31:37 | Llorean | My goal is just trying to find out if they have any ideas about how we could legally use their code. |
| 22:31:47 | Llorean | If their idea were "We can GPL it", of course, I wouldn't mind. ;) |
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| 22:35:15 | Rincewind | Soap, Domonoky, are you here? |
| 22:35:26 | Soap | aye |
| 22:35:44 | Rincewind | I just posted in the german bar thread |
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| 22:36:47 | * | Domonoky is here |
| 22:38:06 | Soap | so you'll be there Saturday, Rincewind? |
| 22:38:09 | Lear | preglow: Send me a patch if you want another pair of eyes on the problem. |
| 22:38:24 | Rincewind | I'll be there |
| 22:38:35 | Soap | sweet |
| 22:38:51 | Soap | bring construction blocks to build a tower! |
| 22:39:13 | Rincewind | and I'll bring my 2 rockbox devices! |
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| 22:40:59 | Domonoky | so i will come too.. but i only have one construction block aviable at moment :-) |
| 22:43:05 | Soap | sweet - 4! |
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| 22:44:26 | scorche|w | Domonoky: so a 5 hour round trip to stay an hour? =P |
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| 22:44:53 | Soap | sour grapes |
| 22:44:58 | Soap | sour grapes |
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| 22:46:40 | Domonoky | scorche: no i will stay at rincewinds box... so its 5 hours round trip, with a longer stay :-) |
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| 23:12:59 | Llorean | Alrighty |
| 23:13:08 | Llorean | The phonecall is done. |
| 23:13:25 | * | scorche|w waits |
| 23:13:40 | Llorean | Basically, there's no way as things currently stand (codecs as derivative works) that there's really anything we can do. |
| 23:14:07 | safetydan | shame, but not unexpected |
| 23:14:16 | scorche|w | pretty much |
| 23:14:30 | * | petur waits for the 'but...' |
| 23:14:40 | Llorean | But some points were made to me. 1) There's a faction in the company that really likes to get RealAudio/RealVideo other there, and would probably be interested in exploring other ideas (sounded like closed source codecs, or other similar things) if a solution to the derivative work question were resolve. |
| 23:15:09 | scorche|w | petur: i saw the period and didnt think Llorean would start a sentence with a "but" =P |
| 23:15:15 | Llorean | 2) The Rhapsody guys would probably be interested in talking with us about trying to support Rhapsody content somehow. |
| 23:15:25 | preglow | really... |
| 23:15:29 | safetydan | that's interesting |
| 23:15:35 | preglow | well, i'd love a way to make that work |
| 23:16:33 | Llorean | Those are really the boiled down essence of the whole conversation. The reason they stick with the RPSL is the patent protection, so they really can't do anything about that for the AAC codec. |
| 23:16:33 | scorche|w | Llorean: so did we get some names and numbers of others who would liek to speak to us? |
| 23:16:55 | Llorean | We got a "Talk with your guys, and if the attitude there is amenable, I can put you in contact with our guys" |
| 23:16:58 | Llorean | their |
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| 23:17:56 | safetydan | I'm imagining some sort of binary blob with a wrapper to interface to the Rockbox code. Sort of like the nVidia drivers under Linux. |
| 23:18:32 | Llorean | Seems the most likely end result to me |
| 23:19:40 | preglow | i'm not the slightest bit interested in anything binary |
| 23:19:44 | preglow | i'd rather roll my own |
| 23:19:56 | preglow | and have immense trouble in the process |
| 23:19:59 | Clint | safetydan: btw, I don't think it's appropriate to conclude that supporting 2^32 small text comments means exceeding 300 bytes is misuse |
| 23:20:16 | Llorean | He did mention that the Rhapsody stuff was just implementing an API, and that "you guys shouldn't need any source" but I don't know how that really works since it uses UMS transfers. |
| 23:20:31 | Llorean | Or at least, I thought it did. |
| 23:21:18 | safetydan | Clint: actually the problem was more subtle than that. Or at least I think it is. The 300 only applies to an individual comment. What's causing your comments to fail is the fact that they span more than one ogg page. |
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| 23:21:36 | Clint | safetydan: right, presumably |
| 23:22:06 | Clint | i should verify the page lengths |
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| 23:22:31 | safetydan | that would be good to confirm the theory |
| 23:25:26 | scorche|w | Llorean: well considering on the Rs "Rhapsody mode" is UMS and "PlaysForSure mode" is MTP... |
| 23:26:02 | Llorean | scorche|w: But it could simply be cleverly UMS compatible. |
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| 23:49:39 | petur | I don't see what UMS/MTP has to do with a codec |
| 23:52:30 | n1s | I don't see why we would want to support drm infested music with binary blobs... |
| 23:53:42 | pixelma | that was about Llorean's (2) - Rhapsody mode. The (1) was about real audio or video codec, IIUC |
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| 23:54:01 | dan_a | n1s: Because giving people a choice is a good thing. Even if it's the choice to do utterly bone-headed things. |
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| 23:58:45 | n1s | dan_a: I think it's not worth the trouble, if we get some kind of problems with these blobs (bugs or whatnot) we can't do anything about it and if we want to change something like the codec api they might impede that to. Also i would imagine they wouldn't want people to RE so would require some weird license... |
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