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#rockbox log for 2007-12-09

00:00:07Klevi"Make sure the disk isnt full, or write protected"
00:00:17Klevimy reaction: WTF
00:00:18amiconnThose microsd cards have a write protect lever
00:00:29amiconnVery easy to switch by accident...
00:00:36Kleviits... tiny
00:00:40Kleviwhere is it
00:00:46amiconnAh, no, I'm confusing something
00:01:08KleviSD cards have one
00:01:10KleviI know that
00:01:12amiconnThat was the sd adapter for those cards
00:02:11pixelmathe big SD cards have that - and I often switch that just by inserting said adapter into my card reader :\
00:02:29KleviThats what i as gonna ask
00:02:55Kleviits in the UNLOCK position to start with
00:03:24Klevi*inserts it as LOCKED, then removes it changing it to UNLOCK"
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00:06:45Klevi... gahh. no luck.
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00:11:48KleviIts okay... I can access it through file explorer apparently
00:12:13Klevibut.. the media streaming program my HP has wont read my card
00:12:42Klevithanks anyway guys..
00:13:14KleviWhile im here, any functionality updates were released for rockbox since the second of december?
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00:14:15BagderKlevi: see wiki/MajorChanges
00:14:18linuxstbYou can see the recent changes here -
00:17:52*Bagder nows spots the nice new tower
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00:27:14webguest43does the Arcos Recorder also have software USB ?
00:28:00webguest43ah, so the drivers that it wants when connecting to a pc is for something else ?
00:28:26Mouser_XNo, you're supposed to ignore those.
00:28:44Mouser_XThe current USB support from within Rockbox is pretty much for recharging only.
00:28:45Bagderan archos recorder should not cause that
00:29:05Mouser_XBagder: Ah... I'm not familiare with all the targets that Rockbox runs on.
00:29:11Lloreanwebguest43: What OS?
00:29:19amiconnAn archos recorder *will* make windows ask for drivers, unless it's the 20GB model
00:29:29l7hey, does anyone have an opinion on what the best way to install rockbox on a sansa is?
00:29:30Bagderah yes, the pre 20 ones...
00:29:35amiconnSame goes for all archos Player/Studio models
00:29:37scorcheor some 15...
00:29:37l7i am looking at rockbox utility
00:29:45webguest43Win xp; Well, whenever I plug my Recorder into a "vigin" pc, it prompts for drivers which I duly point it to
00:29:53l7and also this:
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00:30:10scorcheas i have said before, some ajbrv1 15 gigs were 2.0, some were 1.1
00:30:21amiconnwebguest43: That doesn't mean those devices have software usb, it just means they don't speak the standard USB MSC protocol
00:30:32webguest43thanks, just wondering
00:30:33Lloreanl7: We don't support any install methods but the one in the manual. Just use it, it works.
00:31:28amiconnThey have a hardware usb-ata bridge like all other targets except the portalplayer ones, just one from before USB MSC was specified
00:31:39l7ah okay, i found rbutility
00:32:01l7i wonder if there are any differences between mac and windows installers
00:32:33krazykitthere shouldn't be.
00:32:35scorcheone is compiled as a mac is compiled as a windows executable
00:32:49scorchethat should be the difference
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00:33:41l7i guess 1.0.3 on a mac is better than 1.0.2 on windows
00:34:07l7the windows version is
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00:35:31davidfg4How do I make lame work recursively?
00:35:42krazykitdavidfg4, that's off topic here.
00:35:47l7what does "pre" mean?
00:36:04davidfg4I couldn't find a lame help channel
00:36:09krazykit#lame, maybe?
00:36:21linuxstbl7: There's no difference between 1.0.3pre and 1.0.3
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00:38:57Lloreandavidfg4: Well, honestly, whether it exists or not doesn't make it on-topic for this channel.
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00:51:09samwichseI installed rockbox with a standard build from the main site, but I want to install a theme that shows album art, and it wants the "kugel build." Can I just install that over top of the original rockbox, or should I delete the .rockbox dir and start fresh?
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00:55:31Lloreansamwichse: Honestly, I'd recommend you stick with the official build, and go to the provider of the unofficial build for questions if you really must use it. Since the official version has Album Art too now, WPS authors should be, hopefully, converting and updating theirs
00:55:36scorchesamwichse: you should be able to "install that over the top", but keep in mind that that is an unsupported build
00:56:06samwichsehow recent is album art support built in to the official?
00:56:56samwichseie: the official copy was dowloaded 11-12-07
00:57:06samwichseand seems not to support it
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00:57:27GodEaterwhich date format is that ?
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00:57:37samwichseerr... september 12
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00:57:49samwichsenovember 12th, sorry
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00:57:53samwichse(long day)
00:57:55GodEaterthat's a pretty old build then
00:57:56Lloreansamwichse: The MajorChanges wiki page tells when new features were added. But the WPS may still need fixing.
00:59:02samwichseok, I'll download the latest official and see how that works out
01:00:50amiconnMajorChanges still isn't linked from the frontpage? :>
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01:11:54samwichseso the original now includes the album art patch and the bmp resize patch?
01:12:24samwichseerr.. original=official
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01:15:57amiconnsamwichse: Neither
01:16:15amiconnThe official build now supports album art
01:16:29samwichseI don't see any themes showing album art that DON'T require at least one...
01:16:30amiconn...done the right way, not like the old patch did it
01:16:45samwichseor does that mean it just needs those features present?
01:16:58samwichseand not the actual patch?
01:17:07amiconnSame feature, different (better) implementation
01:17:35samwichseso a theme that says it needs the patches will work fine without them in the official
01:17:42samwichse(is the question)
01:17:55amiconnI don't know. Maybe the wps needs a bit of adjustment
01:18:05*amiconn doesn't use album art
01:18:14samwichsek, I'll give it a shot
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01:31:52samwichsethe answer is: most don't work correctly, a few do
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02:13:47l7i seem to be having some rockbox install issues
02:14:00l7windows will not recognize the rockbox in msc mode
02:14:06l7it gives a code 10 error
02:14:20Llorean"recognize the Rockbox"?
02:14:34l7well it wouldn't install the usb drivers properly
02:14:40LloreanWhat player are you talking about
02:14:43l7but, it did sort of work in windows safe mode
02:14:49l7a sansa e200
02:14:57LloreanAnd you're in the original firmware when connecting?
02:15:08l7however rbutil does not seem to work in safe mode with networking
02:15:10LloreanRockbox doesn't have a working USB stack yet for those players.
02:15:21l7yes, i'm working with a OF
02:15:43LloreanSo why did you say "Recognize the Rockbox" at all then of rockbox isn't installed?
02:16:10LloreanAre you trying to install the bootloader then?
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02:16:35Lloreanhave you tried the manual install?
02:16:39l7well i think i have a V2 e200 sansa
02:16:57LloreanWell didn't you verify before you started?
02:17:00l7well i am about to try to see if i can now go back to normal windows mode and install with rbutil
02:17:07pixelmacheck the original firmware's version
02:17:20l7what versions will work with rockbox?
02:17:27LloreanThe V2 player won't work ata ll
02:17:35LloreanIf the original firmware version is 3.anything then it's a V2
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02:19:08l7can i downgrade the firmware?
02:19:19LloreanIt's a hardware thing
02:19:25LloreanThe v2 player is different hardware entirely
02:19:30l7oh crap
02:19:39l7i guess i better return this thing
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02:19:54l7it was a e260 from a recent woot
02:20:05l7i think woot's e250s worked :\
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02:20:33l7it is version 01.02.18A
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02:20:37l7is that a V2?
02:20:44advcomp2019l7, that is a v1
02:21:01l7it does not work with my mac for some reason
02:21:09LloreanDid you try the manual install method?
02:21:14l7not yet
02:21:18l7i'm wondering what i should do
02:21:31pixelmano, that's a v1. Do you run rbutil with admin/root rights (whatever it's called)?
02:21:32l7it is mounted as a msc drive in windows now
02:21:46l7yeah it was an admin account in windows
02:21:51LloreanTry the manual install
02:21:54l7safe mode might have been the problem
02:21:54LloreanAs I suggested earlier.
02:21:56advcomp2019l7, i have here you need to have 1.01.11 to work with a mac right
02:22:50l7advcomp2019: i believe that is what someone said on the ABI forums
02:22:55l7well it's time for dinner
02:23:01l7i will try a manual install afterwards
02:23:56l7i dont understand why sandisk is doing stupid things that make rockbox incompatible
02:23:59l7oh well
02:24:10l7if anyone else gets a code 10 error, safe mode may help them
02:24:24LloreanBecause people do stupid things like return their players after failing to install Rockbox, or messing them up by installing it wrong, and costing them money.
02:24:43l7that's too bad
02:24:59l7considering they originally wanted to help with rockbox
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02:25:49l7maybe they'd make a bit more money from sales by people like me who buy a sansa for rockbox
02:26:27l7of course, i suspect rockbox on their older generation of players is probably better than their new generation of players
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03:01:44psycho_maniacif and when the default theme is changed. will the new wps load when there is something wrong with a loaded wps? or will the "real default" wps be loaded then?
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03:02:34LloreanThe basic default will load if there's a flaw.
03:02:38LloreanThe one that currently loads
03:02:50Lloreanthat one's hard-coded, compiled in, and doesn't depend on any files on the disk except rockbox.ipod
03:03:08psycho_maniacah good.
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03:04:21psycho_maniachow does one become the new default theme then? not from how do you make one but how do you make rockbox have a new theme? i hope you understand what im trying to say
03:05:58LloreanPretty easy. Include it in the, and have Rockbox look for it first if no theme is set in the .cfg
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03:24:06l7__hey, what is DockPod Aqua?
03:24:19l7__i recieved an HTTP error 400 during installation of it
03:24:47LloreanIt's a theme?
03:24:54l7__oh okay
03:25:41l7__it seems that the URL has changed
03:25:58l7__rbutil can bring up dockpod aqua large, but not the normal one
03:28:04l7__why did the H4rdc0r3_Linux ReadMe.txt file wind up in the root directory of my sansa?
03:31:25l7__woohoo it worked
03:32:26l7__okay i love rockbox now i think
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03:43:46l7__hrm, weird
03:44:24Nico_PBagder: (hoping you read the logs) could you possibly fix the commit msg for r15738 so that it references the right FS task? it's actually FS #5960 that was committed
03:44:39l7__i plugged in the e200 after installing rockbox and now windows is giving me more usb grief
03:45:14l7__the LED stays lit up and e200 refuses to boot
03:45:25advcomp2019l7__, are you in OF or rockbox
03:45:33l7__advcomp2019: nope
03:45:41l7__there is a blank screen
03:45:47l7__and the LED is lit
03:46:00l7__crap, are you supposed to boot into OF before connecting?
03:48:18l7__the problem is i can't power off now
03:48:24l7__freaking windows
03:48:52LloreanHold power for 15 seconds.
03:48:59LloreanIf that doesn't work, hold it longer
03:49:20l7__okay it worked
03:49:20LloreanAnd please try not to punctuate with the enter key. At the very least attempt to type complete sentences and thoughts
03:49:55l7__i thought it was dead.... alright i'll try to type paragraphs. i'm back to rockbox firmware now.
03:50:25l7__i assume that it is probably best to be in OF before connecting any USB cables
03:51:23l7__windows did install a driver for an "Unknown Device" after i plugged in the e200 while powered off
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03:59:54l7__well thanks for your help everyone. i'm gonna go play around with this new toy and try not to break it
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04:01:14mokkurkalvel7_: I had that experience too, when you plug in the cable when in RB, somertimes it starts charging, somtimes it freezes like you described: permanently lit scrollwheel, black screen. However, it's not dangerous, the device can, as stated, be hard reset by just holding power button long enough...
04:01:56l7__mokkurkalve: ah cool. that is good to know since it rather scary. it _looks_ bricked the first time around :)
04:02:28l7__it boots in 10 seconds, which is rather sweet
04:03:41l7__now if i can only find a hack to get it to work with my mac, it would be perfect
04:04:06mokkurkalvel7__: It's hard to really brick the e200's - I flashed the thing from "rcovery" mode with files that was corrupted by faulty USB controllers on MoBo - it survived that too...
04:04:31mokkurkalvercovery -> recovery
04:06:28l7__MoBo = your motherboard?
04:06:51Mouser_XUsually, yes.
04:06:59mokkurkalvel7__: correct
04:07:41l7__is that corruption problem happened to anyone else?
04:07:54l7__er, _has_ that corruption problem happened to anyone else?
04:08:42Mouser_Xmokkurkalve's problem was a motherboard issue. That means it was hardware based. So, chances are that it's only him that would have that problem.
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04:10:05l7__hrm yeah. i am just wondering about what caused all the USB connection issues earlier with my computer and if they are related
04:10:08mokkurkalveIt was my MoBo - Had nothing to do with RB. I could still get into Recovery mode - transfer the firmware files anew from a different computer (old laptop) and save the device ;)
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04:11:07krazykitl7__, you don't need a hack to make it work on a mac. the sansa's OF does MSC mode, which is universal.
04:11:44l7__krazykit: i think the later firmware versions do not mount on a mac. at least not the version i have
04:12:23l7__i'm reading this post right now
04:13:08safetydanl7_, you can downgrade the firmware IIRC
04:13:16krazykitl7__, you could use sansapatcher to downgrade the firmware easily
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04:13:56krazykitl7__, sansapatcher -of filename.mi4
04:14:03l7__any suggestions on which e200 firmware is prefered by rockbox users?
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04:14:51l7__i'm wondering if i should update to sandisk's latest version, or downgrade to earlier ones. there were some rumors about the later 01.03 versions working with macs...
04:15:24krazykit1.00.12 ought to work.
04:15:59mokkurkalveSomebody in this channel gave me a link to a page with a collection of sansa firmware... haven't got that link here as I'm at work...
04:16:16advcomp2019l7__, if you want to use it on macs i would says 1.01.11 is the newest one that will work
04:16:21l7__cool thanks. i also found many webpages that link to
04:16:59l7__why would sandisk break mac support for later versions? that just seems even more bizarre.
04:17:49mokkurkalveMouser_X: mokkurkalve got the plumbing on the outside ;D
04:19:52mokkurkalvekrazykit: There was a server with a much larger collection than daniel.haxx
04:20:23krazykitmokkurkalve, yeah, on zephie or something.
04:20:28l7__mokkurkalve: any idea which site that is?
04:20:44ralphyIf I may ask a question that probably gets asked too often: What is the latest word for Zune Rockbox?
04:20:57scorcheralphy: there is no word
04:21:16scorcheno one is actively working on it
04:21:35l7__rockbox on zune would be nice, with it's wifi support and all.
04:22:04ralphyWhat are the difficulties, then?
04:22:09krazykitl7__, except for the fact that rockbox has no networking stack.
04:22:11scorchejust because the zune supports wifi doesnt mean rockbox would
04:22:24Lloreanralphy: Same as they've always been. Nobody's gotten unsigned code to run.
04:22:25scorcheralphy: there is a whole thread about it in the new ports forum
04:22:30krazykitralphy, closed hardware, encrypted firmware, no way to run unsigned code
04:22:31Lloreanralphy: The forum thread, despite not updating in forever, is up to date
04:22:45l7__typical microsoft
04:22:47scorcheis there a 5th? =P
04:22:54ralphyThank you, all.
04:23:17ralphyI currently have Rockbox on my Sansa, and I like it a lot.
04:23:34l7__same here, it is pretty awesome
04:25:12advcomp2019here is some firmwares..
04:26:16l7__hrm, i am curious, has anyone tried creating a disk image of their rockbox player and restoring that image at later point?
04:27:38safetydanwoo, wasn't expecting to save that many bytes. I think that's a new personal record :)
04:28:28mokkurkalveadvcomp2019: Yes. That's the site I used.
04:28:29safetydanif anyone has problems with Ogg Vorbis or Ogg Speex metadata after that commit please raise a bug in flyspray
04:28:52krazykitl7__, it'd work. not terribly useful, IMO.
04:30:23Llorean safetydan: That's a lot
04:31:41LloreanWhat makes it vary so much across targets though?
04:32:50safetydanLlorean, alignment. The USB structures have a large alignment constraint which makes things jump around a bit on those targets.
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04:50:08l7__anyone know if it's possible for rockbox to see hidden directories?
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04:50:30l7__i am amused as sandisk's clever attempt to hide it's music files
04:50:40LloreanIn "All" mode for File View you can see hidden folders
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04:51:45l7__thanks, i will try that
04:55:29mokkurkalveI put my music files in a different directory. Still: It is amusing that the Sansa must hide it's "MUSIC" directory, but unhide the "tmp" directory... (???)
04:56:07Mouser_XWhy does it even need a "tmp" directory?
04:56:27Mouser_XI guess it could use it for recordings?
04:57:24mokkurkalveThere's no files in it. But the OF insist on having it. And unhiding it. Mysteries of the universe....
04:57:57Mouser_X"On today's show, we'll show you how to make Plutonium out of household items."
04:58:19mokkurkalveThere is a separate recording dir..... ???
04:59:18l7__haha, upside down rockbox is cool.. and slightly more ergonomic as well
04:59:45Mouser_XI'm liking the inverted Rettumbox theme.
04:59:54Mouser_X(I probably mispelled that.)
05:00:03mokkurkalveProbably some verrrry wise desicion in Sansa HQ that just shoots over the heads of us lowly plebs....
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05:00:26Mouser_XThough, I should modify it somewhat. It's a little too bright for my liking.
05:00:39krazykitmokkurkalve, probably the same people that decided to force the Hidden attribute on the music directory.
05:02:01l7__what is the filename for the rettumbox theme? i don't see it in my player
05:02:15Mouser_XThat's because it's not there.
05:02:26mokkurkalveYes. Must be some hidden esoteric knowledge behind it....
05:02:30Mouser_XYou'd have to download it from
05:04:01l7__Chicago 12 is a nice font for the mac-like themes
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05:30:39l7anyone know how far off offical USB support is for rockbox?
05:30:55scorchewe dont give out etas
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05:37:27l7ah okay
05:38:10l7hrm, does anyone know if there is a way to turn off the blue LCDs on the e200 clickwheel through the software? they are rather annoying at night
05:38:44scorchethe manual knows
05:39:08*JdGordon knows also
05:39:37l7JdGordon: care to share your insight?
05:40:02scorchehe is currently duct-taped...ask the manual...
05:40:26DogBoypink duct-tape no doubt
05:40:31JdGordonjust disable one of the GPIO bits.... cant rmember which exactly....
05:42:22l7hrm, i'm checking the rockbox pdf
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05:42:45l7no results for LED or GPIO unless it is virtual LED, which it is probably not
05:42:55Lloreanl7: Try "wheel" or "light"
05:42:58JdGordonread the manual!!
05:43:30l7i'm searching!
05:43:57scorchealthough it wouldnt be a bad idea to just read the whole thing
05:44:37l7yeah i probably will at somepoint
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05:49:58l7ah it was under system, wheel light
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05:50:11l7i thought it would have been under display or something
05:50:33l7anyhow, i'm glad rockbox has a feature to turn off that damn light
05:52:12l7i was looking for LED when i should have been looking for "wheel light" in the manual
05:52:17mokkurkalveactually, by looking at the online manual the System > Wheel light setting is not documented yet...
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05:55:50mokkurkalveIn addition several settings not relevant for e200, like "Disk spindown", ARE documented.......
05:56:50mokkurkalveI should get around to learning LaTeX soon.....
05:56:59scorchewhich online manual is this?
05:58:18mokkurkalvescorche: Daily built manual for e200, "online" version...
05:58:20scorchehrm...i guess it isnt
05:58:20perrikwpCan someone give me wiki write access? My name is KeithPerri.
06:02:10*Mouser_X needs to buckle down, and make some WPSs...
06:02:23Mouser_X(I want some with animation, just for kicks.
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06:14:34samwichseMouser... if you make a WPS with 16 font and 100x100 album art on a black background that doesn't require a special build, that would be beyond awesome.
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06:17:34perrikwpIs there anyone here that could grant me wiki access?
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06:22:46Mouser_Xsamwichse: I don't use album art. But, I would certainly make a WPS that doesn't require a custom build.
06:23:27Mouser_XOn the album art, I could make it conditional. However, don't get your hopes up. I've been intending to make a WPS or a theme for at least 10 months now.
06:24:31samwichsethat's fine, I was just wishing aloud anyway
06:25:34samwichseI might experiment with it myself if I wasn't defending in a week
06:27:28Nydomosare there any addons for doom to add music?
06:28:50LloreanMusic isn't implemented yet, I think
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07:28:52pradinJust finished adding a search feature to the text_editor. How do I go about about contributing this modification to the main trunk?
07:29:24safetydanpradin, create a patch then add it to the tracker
07:29:28scorcheplace the patch up on the tracker and direct a couple willing devs to have a look at it
07:30:01Mouser_XA search feature would certainly be nice.
07:30:33pradinyes, it even supports wrapping
07:30:58pradinIt would be even better if the text_editor could open files too.
07:37:30pradinAny particular diff parameters I must use when submitting a rockbox patch?
07:37:48scorchea standard svn diff will work
07:38:08LloreanPreferably diff from the main Rockbox source folder, not any subfolders
07:38:10JdGordonpradin: text_editor can open text files...
07:38:36JdGordonor do you mean a open files dialog from inside text editor?
07:39:49pradinJdGordon: Really? How can I open a file without a file dialog?
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07:40:23JdGordonpradin: ah yeah, you have to do it through the regular file browser..
07:41:12pradinJdGordon: As far as I understand, that's a completely different application. That's actually viewer.c
07:41:47JdGordonbrowse to a text file, then open the context menu (usually hold down the select button) then go open with
07:44:40JdGordonpradin: im interested in your patch when its up
07:46:01pradinIt has to be up soon. It's due for Monday in an open source class I'm taking.
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07:46:41pradinAt my university we have a class called open source practice.
07:47:09pradinBasically each student has to find an open source project and contribute in some way. So Rockbox was my pick.
07:47:12JdGordonthey force evil communist OSS on you? :O
07:47:24JdGordondo you get better marks if its accepted?
07:48:28pradinI wish.
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07:48:57pradinIn some ways the class is very bias as it's being taught by the founder of an open source company called VTK.
07:49:58pradinI think it's fun though. It's certainly more interesting than graph theory.
07:50:22Nemesis02Hey guys, got an e200 series Sansa player, what's the better build to go with for rockbox? i see there's a few builds, CPChan, the standard rockbox, and stuff. which would you guys find to be better?
07:50:41Mouser_XStandard Rockbox/.
07:51:02JdGordoncoooeeey midkay
07:51:11midkaycooey JdGordon :)
07:51:23phrare there any docs about the sansa hardware other than what's on the e200-port page?
07:51:39JdGordonmidkay: go pm
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07:53:49pradinOk, so I loaded a sample text into the root directory of my Rockbox build. It's loaded into the viewer. However, I can't find an option to launch the text_editor from within the viewer. Maybe I should take a look at the source.
07:54:27LloreanNot from within viewer
07:54:44LloreanHighlight it in the file browser, and hold the select button down, choose "Open With..." and pick Text Editor there
07:55:00pradinAh, I see.
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07:56:44pradinSo a single quick select in the file browser launches some default action? And holding down the select button brings up a context menu?
07:57:53JdGordonapps/filetypes.c is where that magic happens if your interested
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07:58:22pradinInteresting...that would be very useful for my search feature. I simply added search to the line options menu which in turn calls kbd_input() but now I could have a search sub menu if the user holds down the selection button.
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07:59:30pradinWhat does everyone think? Then you could have search forward, search backward
08:00:37JdGordonsearch in viewer would be more usefull...
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08:04:11pradinWhere is viewer.c again?
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08:14:56pradinI don't think search would be useful with the current state of the viewer as it doesn't support line highlighting.
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08:17:53Mouser_XI've been using the viewer to read eBooks (though, I have to convert them to TXT files first).
08:18:17*Crash91 dreams of PDF in rockbox one day
08:18:28Crash91maybe in uhm...5 10 years?
08:18:59JdGordonsearch would be good enough to just get the text o the screen
08:19:15JdGordonit has eben requested a fwe times.. although the current code sucks for it
08:19:18Mouser_XTrue enough.
08:19:41Crash91oh yeah, i have two questions
08:20:08Crash91#1 Why doesnt the "Recently Added" work in the database? No code? Disabled?
08:20:20Crash91#2 Wtf does "Caption Backlight" do
08:20:40JdGordoni tihnk recently added requires dircache which isnt enabled for e200
08:20:53Mouser_XA PDF viewer would be nice, just so that I could have the manual on my Gigabeat. However, I doubt that will happen anytime soon, if ever. An easy way to export the manual into a TXT file, or something, and then search that, would be darn handy.
08:20:57JdGordonand caption backlight turns the backlight on for a few seconds at the begining of new tracks
08:21:17Crash91JdGordon: is it just a question of enabling it?
08:21:27JdGordonwhat, which?
08:21:45Crash91the dircache
08:21:54Crash91Mouser_X: Dance with joy?
08:22:04JdGordondircache doesnt work mith multivolume (i.e the microsd card)
08:22:17Crash91Mouser_X: I mean, really, a google is all it takes man
08:22:26JdGordonthere is a patch which would allow it to work.. but Slasheri needs to look at it....
08:22:34Mouser_XAre you sure? I recall them discussing it awhile ago, and that it worked, if you turned dircache on... Though, perhaps they took dircache out completely for Flash-based players.
08:22:37Crash91JdGordon: Well, how about just on the int?
08:22:38JdGordon(or better yet.. remove the dircache dependancy)
08:22:55Mouser_X^ Indeed.
08:23:06JdGordonif you dont use the micro sd slot at all then you can compile your own without support and with dircache..
08:24:10Crash91JdGordon: I use the microSD, but on that i dont have the whole /MUSIC/artist.... affair
08:24:33JdGordonits all or none...
08:24:38Crash91and well i just find it easier to find new ones on the microSD
08:24:52Crash91JdGordon: kk, well ill wait
08:24:58JdGordonim not 100% sure that is the bug though....
08:25:02JdGordonnot my area of the code
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08:26:05Crash91anyone here speak German?
08:26:13Crash91JdGordon: Code is not my area of code
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08:28:14JdGordonanyone know if linuxstb has got anwhere with viewports eyt?
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09:04:22amiconnsafetydan: This warning seems impossible to fix... I tried several times already :(
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09:08:51amiconnNice savings by the ogg parser, btw :)
09:19:25safetydanamiconn, thanks. As for the warning, I miscounted the parameters so I was "fixing" the wrong thing anyway. Does seem like an odd warning.
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11:16:19BagderI'll seriously consider rockbox for openmoko once their new phone is available
11:22:48scorcheBagder: re: your comments on your blog, everytime i have looked into the openmoko, i have been at a loss to see their main development as well =/
11:23:07Bagderyeah, they seem to mostly talk and dream about what can be done in the future
11:23:23*scorche nods
11:23:51Bagder"it's a computer" ;-)
11:24:51scorchea paperweight without firmware...i would hate rockbox to be the first "complete" firmware on the device =P
11:25:14Bagderthey have a linux system running on it, or at least they say so ;-)
11:25:38scorchedoes it at least perform the needed functions without a pretty interface?
11:26:02BagderI don't think it has much of a pretty interface
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11:26:12Bagderthe presenter said its mostly still command line
11:26:29scorchewell, what i meant was, does it at least perform the needed functions (pretty interface or not)
11:26:35BagderI don't know
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11:31:13phranyone think it's a) feasible; b) a cool idea, to have active noise cancellation in (e.g.) the sansa players that have a built-in microphone? you'd use the mic to pick up the ambient noise, then add it out-of-phase to the headphone output..
11:32:31bertrikphr: don't the microphones have to be very close to the location you want to silence?
11:32:39safetydanphr, people have talked about that before. There's some issues around latency and the fact that the sound at the microphone won't match the sound at your ears.
11:32:54phrbertrik, no, they only work at low frequencies which have long wavelengths
11:33:23phrsafetydan, maybe they couldn't work as well as the units that have microphones built directly into the earcups, but there are some other ones where the mic is in an external box
11:33:47phrand the sansa c240 is small enough that you could mount it on top of a headphone headband, so it would be a few inches away from each ear...
11:33:55scorcheand the sansa internal mic is far from decent
11:34:03phrscorche, probably true :)
11:34:16phrit only has to get low frequencies though
11:34:24phrand can be equalized in the software
11:34:49phras you might have guessed i just bought a bunch of those c240's from woot :)
11:35:13scorcheto avoid safetydan repeating himself on some things:
11:35:55Bagderscorche: "The latest Qtopia snapshot can now be successfully used to make and receive calls, to send and receive SMS and use Contacts for both."
11:36:13Bagderon openmoko that is
11:36:18safetydanphr, this has been raised before:
11:36:26phrright, 1) i don't see why there needs to be 100 ms of latency; 2) noise cancellation even in the expensive units doesn't work worth squat at 1 khz, it works at 100 hz and below, so the wavelength is 10+ feet
11:36:29scorcheBagder: it really is a shame they didnt have a working device sitting there for you to play with
11:36:44Bagderyes, it seemed like a strange thing to me
11:36:51Bagderhe claimed they were bricked from development
11:37:12scorcheit seems very suspicious...
11:37:19BagderI didn't want to argue about it, but it seems like bricking should be very unusual even under development
11:37:58Bagderbut he was not the most tech savy guy around
11:38:02phrsafetydan, thanks, i know that sony is making a walkman with noise cancellation, and i'm not too concerned about hard disk players these days with flash costing under 10 bucks a gb
11:39:26phrthe openmoko phone can brick ? yikes.
11:39:39scorche...if it works
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11:40:46Bagderphr: well, they offer jtag stuff for it so no, having the dev kit you can always restore a fresh new bootloader
11:41:24safetydanphr, code speaks louder than speculation, so prove us wrong :)
11:42:20Bagderand since this guy wasn't that techy, I doubt he messes with the bootloader and thus I doubt he actually bricks his devices...
11:44:03phrsafetydan, yeah, i just got these c240's and they crash my linux box as soon as i connect the usb port, i'll reflash them tomorrow and then try to load rockbox before attempting to hack the code :)
11:44:15phrbagder, ah, that makes sense
11:45:00bertrikDoes anyone else see a way too high battery voltage when the charger is plugged in?
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11:49:23bertrikon my e200 there are two ADC channels that show basically the same voltage, but one of them (BVDD) get abnormally high when charging and the other stays relatively normal
11:49:48bertrikthe other one is currently called ADC_RTCSUPP
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12:18:24phrdoes the e200 have a real rtc that rockbox can access? i didn't notice anything in the c240 setup menus about setting a clock
12:18:47phris there any good description of the hardware on the rockbox site?
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12:19:26hcsyes, it has an rtc
12:19:55phrwow thanks for that url
12:20:12phr32mb of ram??!!!!
12:20:28Bagderoh yes
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12:23:14phrbagder with that much ram how would you feel about putting a script interpreter in, and moving most of the ui stuff to it? also maybe even a tcp stack, so that it can be accessed with a web browser, and an eventual sansa connect port would be able to swap files with other units by wifi
12:24:04Bagderphr: most targets will use the majority of their memory for audio buffering and they want to keep doing that
12:24:16phri mean, i read that page about not putting in malloc/free in order to save a few bytes by using static allocation, then read that the thing has 32mb?
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12:24:22phryeah i understand about the buffering for hard disc players
12:24:27phris it an issue for flash players?
12:24:35Bagdernot as much, no
12:24:53BagderI'm just saying that it'd have to be platform-specific if you want to spend lots of ram
12:26:00phri see, yeah that makes sense, some ppl are still using hard discs. though with 32mb, using 0.5mb of it for stuff like that would be pretty tolerable i'd hope.
12:26:54phranyway i've browsed the svn a little bit but haven't tried downloading or compiling anything yet, so it's too early, i just got these players
12:27:07phri bought 3 of them figuring i'd brick at least one, but it looks like even that isn't such a problem
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12:27:22Bagderyou'll need to try hard in order to brick them ;-)
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12:34:10phrhow hard is it in general to figure out enough about a player to do a port? the frontier lab nex 3 is the only player i really like...
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13:07:47hcslooks good, at a glance
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13:08:15BagderI agree
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13:11:07preglowthough they didn't use the words "work of art" for the eq!!11
13:11:29preglowi'll have to mail about that
13:11:49preglowperhaps i should just include it in the title bar
13:13:13Bagderhcs: you must've missed the raving user in the forum ;-)
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13:13:51hcsI miss the forum categorically. In the "do not see" sense, not the "remember fondly" sense.
13:14:21Bagderbut that also includes the occasional and rare gems ;-)
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14:07:09preglowLear: around?
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14:21:06preglowwant to have a faad merge patch?
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14:21:13preglowi can't make ps files work
14:21:26preglowdon't really have any ps files that actually sound good either, do you know of an encoder that can produce them?
14:22:13LearThe Nero encoder and Winamp.
14:22:24LearBut I can take a look at the patch.
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14:23:11preglowLear: the nero encoder produces aacv2 files that just sound crap here
14:23:16preglowthe moment ps turns on, it sounds horrible
14:23:44LearThe ones I've made sound fine...
14:23:58preglowmine sound thin, they lack everything but the midrange
14:24:01preglowand in a really noticable way
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14:24:22LearAnd that's not when using Rockbox with the new faad? :)
14:24:41preglowthat's using all decoders i know of
14:25:11LearNot sure I've tested with PS though...
14:26:27LearOk, I'll see if I can make a PS file first though.
14:27:41preglowi've got some if you want...
14:31:28LearGot one now, that sounds fine in Foobar. Sounds surprisingly good, considering it is 23 kbps...
14:31:46preglowencoded with the nero thing?
14:32:51LearYep. Version from Feb 12.
14:33:15preglowi only get files that sound like they're bandpassed
14:33:27preglowmine's from aug 6
14:33:34preglowperhaps the newer ones do buggy ps
14:34:06LearI've heard there was some quality issue with a newer version, but I'm not sure what.
14:34:23preglowseems like a weird thing to overlook
14:36:25LearBtw, tried to play it in Rockbox with SBR/PS disabled, but got a crash in dsp.c...
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14:36:42LearThat's in the sim too...
14:37:54preglowyou disabled sbr and ps in faad?
14:38:06LearHm, made a dry-run on the patch, got a few rejected hunks.
14:38:13preglowyou sure the aac plug reports the correct sample rate in that case?
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14:38:31preglowaac.c probably reports 44100 in that case, but all you get is 22050
14:38:38LearI disabled it in the metadata reader too.
14:38:49preglowmok, but i still doubt it's a dsp.c issue
14:38:59preglowrejected hunks?
14:39:05preglowperhaps i need to sync up...
14:39:28preglowin cfft.c ?
14:39:43LearYes, pulse.c and sbr_dct.c. That's on trunk, no patches at all.
14:39:58preglowhow's that possible, exactly?
14:40:11preglowonl think i touched in those are the headers...
14:40:18preglowat least the pulse.c one
14:40:53preglowwell, i just made a new one, faad-sync2.diff, there should be no differences, but i've synced now
14:41:23preglowuploaded there
14:42:01LearIt rejects where in the license header, so trivial to fix...
14:43:55preglowbut why...
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14:50:28LearHe, someone's says he found a bug in faad's low power SBR mode. Wonder how it made it even build... :)
14:52:48preglowit doesnt
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14:53:34LearYou must have a buggy encoder. So far, the file sounds just like in Foobar...
14:53:50preglowprobably do, then
14:54:07preglowif you're talking about the missing function/macro bug in faad low power sbr, i've been talking to the faad coder about it
14:54:22LearThat's in the sim though, haven't tested on any target yet.
14:54:23preglowhe said that the lower code is undermaintained and not really that much faster than the usual sbr decoder anyway
14:54:52preglowanother aac decoder would be sweet...
14:55:16preglowthe ffmpeg one is working well enough now, i think, but it's lc only
14:55:27ciaconhi all.. I have a problem with a 4gen u2 ipod... I went to a mate the other day to update the apple-firmware with the newest itunes... i then spotted that I had forgotten my ac adapter @ home... by the time I was home (3h later) it still was asking for the mains, so I plugged it up... sadly there has been no chance in the last 24h (I had the feeling that it was still charging and then would update...)... can anyone give me a hint or so?
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15:00:48ciaconpreglow: how can I force my ipod into disk-mode?
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15:09:07nardulCan anyone help me with ipod's and disk mode? When i copy items to it through nautilus, it seems it puts it int he cache instead of waiting for it to write to the hdd, so files don't get written. Is there a way to make it write it to the harddrive or to see if there's anything else to be written?
15:09:30nardulmight be the wrong channel here though
15:09:48ciaconnardul: I am also having probs with my disk-mode
15:10:42nardulIt's not so much problems. But i transfer alot of things to my ipod daily, i started with audiobooks. And i got corrupt files so i had to do a fsck
15:10:54nardulBecause it queued it.
15:10:58nardulciacon, What's your problem?
15:11:34ciaconnardul: I bricked my ipod (as it seems to me)
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15:12:02ciaconnardul: I was wondering how I can force an ipod into disk-mode @ bootup
15:12:05nardulciacon, lol. Itunes recovery doesn't work?
15:12:24preglowciacon: keep play and select pressed while rebooting
15:12:29nardulciacon, as soon as you turn it on, poress
15:12:37nardulThat's what i was gonna write
15:12:43preglowgood :)
15:12:54nardulI'm just a slow typer. I should turn on some light
15:13:22ciaconwell - I tried that - it only reboots the ipod again (which only shows me the "plug ac into wall" logo)
15:14:51nardulciacon, Reboots again? if you press "select and menu" it reboots. Right after that did you try "select play"? And see if you can boot into the original firmware, just switch on hold just after rebooting it.
15:16:04ciaconnardul: I updated the firmware @ a freinds house yesterday... and I had forgotten my ac-adapter @ home... now I suppose what happened is, that the batter went dead, by the time i arrived home 3h later...
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15:18:53ciaconnardul: do you know how I can enter the ipod own diagnostics?
15:19:23narduleh? never heard of own diagnostics, so no i guess. Sorry.
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15:23:24ciaconis there a guied, how to manually update ipod from linux?
15:23:39ciacon@ nardul & preglow
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15:27:23nardulhmm, ciacon Update? As in firmware?
15:28:11ciaconnardul: yes
15:29:27nardulI really don't know. Honestly i didn't know you could upgrade the firmware. But alas i would imagine it being itunes only.
15:32:16nardulohhhh, awesome! Thanks.
15:32:36ciaconthanks jott - reading up @ top - any hints?
15:35:47jotthm don't know.. check if your partition table is correct and the fat32 partition has no errors...
15:36:19ciaconjott: reading through the guide I bricked my ipod... any hope other than apple??
15:37:22jottif you did not touch the flash it's not likely that you bricked it..
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15:38:59ciaconjott: I did a restore on a windows box and had forgotten that ac @ home.. I suppose it failed in the upgrade.. I'm really lost now =(
15:41:16jottciacon: just try to follow the above howto if you do not have itunes.. so fix partition table, format fat32, dd new firmware
15:42:20ciaconjott: my prob is, that I can't even start it into disk-mode - hence lsusb shows up no ipod and cat /proc/partitions no relevant partitions...
15:46:39nardulThe firmware update for the ipod. Is it just the apple firmware or are there deeper more interesting things i cold use even though i'm using rockbox?
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15:49:02jottnardul: besides modding the apple firmware and using ipodlinux i guess rockbox is the most interesting to play around with ;)
15:51:23narduljott, But if i upgrade the firmware will it do me any good, if i never use the original apple OS ?
15:51:33nardulapple OS on the IPOD that is.
15:51:47jottnardul: no.. i guess not :)
15:52:32nardulokay then.
15:52:35nardulI won't bother.
15:55:49nardulSpeaking of which. I could use more battery life :(
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15:57:01preglownardul: sure, the rom part might be updated
15:57:14preglowbut that mostly just matters on nanos
15:58:04nardulokay. I'm just not sure what it does. The firmware upgrade that is.
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16:04:28jottpreglow: updating under linux with dd would not update the rom though ;)
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16:49:01preglowstella :/
16:49:19Crash91naah my dad says stell sucks
16:49:37Crash91he prefers "saqqara" its i local brand i think
16:49:53Crash91well i would talk about taste but im not sure if thats legal in freenode ;)
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17:00:25preglowit is in #rockbox...
17:00:35preglowi'm kinda bored by light lagers
17:00:38preglowin any shape
17:03:57Soapsorry about wrong channel
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17:04:52Rincewinddid you have a good journey back to heidelberg?
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18:19:31preglowLear: did you try on target?
18:19:45LearNo, haven't done that yet...
18:21:30preglowworks fine on sim here
18:21:31preglownot on target
18:21:38preglowi suspect a stack issue, but i can't find any suspects...
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18:22:49LearWhat target did you try?
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18:26:31LearSame on arm, at least for the sbr+ps file. Plain lc was fine.
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18:32:32LearI think it was pretty close last time, so just making a few more things static could do the trick (e.g., in sbr_qmf.c and ps_dec.c).
18:37:46LearHacking the generated code in sbr_dct.c could perhaps do the trick...
18:39:54LearIt is called from sbr_qmf.c...
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18:50:19LearHm, changed DST4_32 and DCT4_32, now it just freezes, no data abort...
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19:13:02SpeedEBikesDoes anybody know who implemented party mode? I use it a lot but have numerous issues with it and would like to make changes. But before I start churning out patches I thought a bit of discussion with the original author(s) would be useful. If no one knows, is there a straight forward way using SVN to track down the author(s) of various bits of code?
19:14:06dan_aSpeedEBikes: "svn annotate <filename>" should help, if I recall correctly - it will say who wrote each line of code and which revision it was in
19:14:44SpeedEBikesThanks! I'll try it.
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19:20:04Nico_PSpeedEBikes: it was Bagder IIRC
19:20:59preglowzagor, afaik
19:22:57*Nico_P is about to commit pictureflow :)
19:23:39preglowas a plugin?
19:25:02l7hrm, bookmarks on the e200 rockbox seem buggy... they require you select them twice to play
19:26:07Nico_Ppreglow: yes
19:26:23SpeedEBikesNico, I see a Bagder in the users box of this channel, but the name is currently grayed out. I'm guessing that means he's currently away although I'm new to using IRC and the Chatzilla client I'm using.
19:26:50peturyes he's away
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19:41:26SpeedEBikesl7: I'm using "Recent Bookmarks" on a build from a couple days ago on my Sansa e200 and a single press is sufficient to load one
19:47:27LearThere may be problem like that if you try to start a bookmark while something is playing.
19:48:20Nico_Ppictureflow is committed !
19:48:40hcsMay god forgive us.
19:49:01Nico_Pit's a plugin, don't worry ;)
19:58:25Nico_Pmeh, I don't understand the red for the player
19:59:57jotti would be interested in perfomance on iriver and sansa devices with pictureflow - so just test it ;)
20:00:45jottah.. and turn on db in ram and directory cache when trying pictureflow..
20:03:06preglowdoes it only do colour devices? i assume so
20:03:22preglowmight be cool to check out how it works with the grayscale lib, though...
20:03:40jotti guess this would need some tweaking..
20:04:17peturNico_P: maybe it is the albumart include in plugin.h?
20:04:43jottbut i wonder which grayscale device has sufficient cpu power :)
20:04:48Nico_Ppetur: maybe, I'll check
20:05:15preglowwho knows, the coldfire based ones are fairly powerful
20:05:22preglowbut i don't really know how much cpu grayscale itself needs
20:06:22jottyeah.. anyway it should be fairly simple to integrate as there are not many place where direct access to the framebuffer takes place..
20:10:17karashataworks alright on my 20GB H10, though apparently my "cover.bmp" album art doesn't get loaded so all I get are grey boxes with question marks
20:11:00XavierGrpetur: now that there is a basic implementation of the USB stack in SVN, do you have any plans for USB OTG?
20:11:06karashataand holding the scroll buttons for around 20 seconds or so will cause the music to start skipping a little
20:11:57jottNico_P: is this may due to the buffering api?
20:12:31Nico_Pit seems petur was right
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20:13:26Nico_Pkarashata: if music is playing maybe you don't have enough free buffer space to store the pics
20:14:16karashataI suspect it's more likely the PCM buffer draining because the buffer can't keep up due to the CPU power needed to scroll through the art
20:14:41jottafter all it's still a demo and not perfect :)
20:14:47SpeedEBikeswhen attempting to use SVN today I'm currently getting
20:14:48SpeedEBikes svn: Unknown hostname ''
20:14:50SpeedEBikesAm I likely doing something stupid or is it possible the server is down?
20:15:01Nico_Pkarashata: I mean that it's probably the reason why you see no pics
20:15:09jottkarashata: well if the audio buffer is full there is no space for the pics..
20:15:13Nico_Punless all your cover bitmaps are more than 100x100
20:15:30karashatamy bitmaps are 50x50, actually
20:15:45Nico_Pkarashata: then try using it with playback stopped
20:15:45peturXavierGr: h300 might be obsolete by the time I get to it :(
20:15:47karashataand I'm listening to SPCs so there's no way my buffer's anywhere near full
20:16:25Nico_Pmaybe you have too much buffered files, though
20:17:03karashata26 buffered files currently
20:17:17karashataaccording to the track count on the buffering debug screen
20:17:26Nico_Pwhat's the handle count?
20:18:04Nico_Pso I don't see the problem... what kind of AA names do you have? only cover.bmp?
20:18:43preglowcan album art be any size for pictureview to be used?
20:18:48karashatayeah, renamed from cover.50x50.bmp since the Cabbie 2.0 uses 56x56 cover art by default for my player and I didn't want to redo all my art
20:19:15Nico_Ppreglow: max is 100x100 but it's rather arbitrary
20:19:22karashataI can rename a few to album names and see if that makes a difference
20:19:26Nico_Pit's just a #define
20:19:41Nico_Pkarashata: cover.bmp and cover.100x100.bmp should be fine
20:21:04preglowNico_P: that does sound arbitrary indeed... what about targets that generally have bigger cover art than that?
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20:21:33Nico_Ppreglow: we could change the #define
20:21:52preglowhrmph, i want pic resizing in the core :/
20:23:15Nico_Pwrite it :)
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20:23:53karashatabah, no change, I still don't get any art loaded with the file name the same as the album name
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20:24:50karashatathough I'm updating the database again to see if it needs to rescan to see the new files
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20:25:52JetonNico_P: is the Picture Flow plugin working? I have the latest build, but it's not in the list.
20:28:32jottkarashata: delete the rocks/demos/pictureflow directory..
20:28:37jottor atleast the ready file in it..
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20:29:08jottthere is no code yet to force a re-creation of the cache
20:29:35f00fany updates on USB file transffer support?
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20:30:02Nico_PJeton: what player? it should be in the demos
20:30:11JetonSansa e250
20:30:16jottJeton: it was just commited a few minutes ago..
20:30:26jottmaybe you need to svn up again
20:30:49*Nico_P is off for a while
20:31:04fr0y0hey :> if i install rockbox on my X5, what will happen to all the fancy sound enhancements the original firmware has? (BBE and so on...)
20:31:19fr0y0like.. is there something similar in rockbox?
20:31:38*karashata sighs
20:31:54preglowfr0y0: they will be there, but not in rockbox
20:32:02karashatano change, album art named after the album or not, music playing or not, nothing shows up for me
20:32:05preglowfr0y0: rockbox has sound enhancement stuff, but nothing like that
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20:32:16preglowprimarily because their workings are secret
20:32:25karashatamaybe it's the number of albums I have or something...
20:32:25fr0y0i see
20:32:27jottkarashata: maybe you can try to the the MAX_IMG_HEIGH/_WIDTH to your 50 tough i doubt this owuld help.. :/
20:33:10karashataunfortunately I'm no good with coding and I don't have a dev environment set up
20:33:10fr0y0i've had rockbox on my 1st gen nano a while ago and i wasn't even able to use the EQ cause the sound would skip
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20:33:25fr0y0so i don't know if there have been any improvements
20:34:26Jetonre: Picture Flow. it says could not load the empty slide.
20:34:31Jetonany idea?
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20:35:04jottJeton: hm.. is your device full to the last byte?! :)
20:35:25karashatadoesn't really matter to me anyway if it works or not, but if I'm not the only one who's having issues with it...
20:35:25Jetoni have some 400MB free
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20:35:59jottyeah its the initial release, so just tested by me with ipod 5.5g and Nico_P with gigabeat f..
20:36:28jottbut it would be nice to fix all issues.. most of them should hopefully be trivial
20:37:05karashatawell, I suppose I can drop a 100x100 image or two on there and see if it's being picky about size
20:37:18karashataif that doesn't work then I'm definitely stumped
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20:37:32jottJeton: did you have music playing? there might be problems if you do so atm..
20:37:41Jetonyes i have
20:37:55Jetoni'm adding a 100x100 and a 75x75 album art
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20:38:01Jetoni had one with 50x50px
20:38:08Jetonwill try now, without music.
20:38:13jottok i'll convert my aa to 50x50 and see what happens :)
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20:41:09Jetonuhm, it sorta works
20:41:18Jetoni have an image with a "?" sign now
20:41:22Jetonthat's reflected .
20:41:36Jetonpressing any button doesn't change anything.
20:42:41jottdo you use the db? because it requires the db for getting the album names
20:43:13Jetoni do
20:43:41karashatastill nothing even with 100x100 bitmaps
20:43:59jottmh yeah it works with 50x50 bitmaps here ..
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20:44:38jottcould you look in the .rockbox/rocks/demos/pictureflow/ folder please?
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20:44:49Jetonmaybe Sansa isn't that "powerful" to handle the effect?
20:45:14jottJeton: no.. this should not be the problem.. it would just make it slow...
20:45:26jotthow much ram do the sansa have?
20:45:32Jetonbtw, it works great on an ipod it seems :
20:45:44jottthats my video :)
20:45:45Jetonjott: i don't know :(
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20:46:10Jetonso you're the guy who did this :D COOL.
20:46:23karashatathere's an emptyslide.pfraw and a file named ready in the pictureflow folder
20:46:47jottkarashata: hmm.. delete the "ready" again.. and restart it..
20:47:03jottthe ready file currently marks a "successful" generation of the cached album arts..
20:47:12Jetonokay, it started working now.
20:47:19Jetoni left my sansa for a minute down.
20:47:29Jetonjust rotated the scrollwheel and it works.
20:47:30jottah so it's just super slow?! :P
20:47:37karashatawell, this looks promising
20:47:39Jetonno :D
20:47:46Jetonit's actually very smooooooth.
20:47:49karashatait's "preparing album artwork"
20:48:10Jetonah, man. Another reason to love rockbox!
20:48:17Jetonthank you for this.
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20:48:52Jetonnow if only Rockbox used JPEG for Album Art... ;)
20:48:56*karashata waits... and waits...
20:48:57jottheh yeah we will steadily improve this i guess.. atleast to the point that you can actually select a track and play it ;)
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20:49:05jottkarashata: yeah this can take some time..
20:49:09karashataI know
20:49:17karashataI have a *lot* of albums to go through
20:49:28karashataand done, it's all there now!
20:49:42Jetonjott: that would be really great.
20:49:47karashatatiny though, heh
20:50:00karashata50x50 seems small when there isn't WPS built around it
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20:50:08jottkarashata: yeah it's currenty assuming you have 100x100..
20:50:16jottthis needs to be improved at some point..
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20:50:30karashataheh, well at least it's working properly now
20:50:36jottindeed :)
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20:50:51karashatathough now I know how many albums I need to make covers for
20:50:55karashataall my SPC albums
20:50:59jottheh ;)
20:51:32karashatathough, I'll deal with those later
20:51:44karashataI still have a whole bunch to sort through first
20:51:52karashatain any case, nice work!
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20:53:22ravveoh wow at that cover flow!
20:55:40ravveIs it available in the svn?
20:55:57ravveTesting on the X5.
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20:57:52ravveugh, I need a better rockbox compile station :/
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21:01:00Henry_hey on a video ipod 5g, is there a way to switch back to the reg. ipod mode
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21:04:10SpeedEBikesanybody know how robust the svn protocol is? I'm currently on a WiFi link and getting about 95% packet loss. My browser & chat are workiing ok, but I can't use svn. Is that likely due to my poor connection?
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21:07:19PaulJamHi, does the addition of the coverflow demo require a rebuild of the database?
21:08:27LloreanPaulJam: Is it not working for you?
21:08:51jottPaulJam: no..
21:09:15PaulJami haven't tried yet, i was just wondering if i should export runtimestats before updating
21:10:10PaulJamjott: thanks
21:10:10jottPaulJam: no, only "core" changes where made to find_albumart and methods exposed in the plugin api... the rest is plugin based
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21:14:43f00fany updates on USB file transffer support?
21:15:17Lloreanf00f: When something changes, it'll be in the changelog
21:17:27FalenIs there any way to brick your sansa e250, so it's forced to downgrade?
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21:18:48FalenI just got this bug that makes the original firmware super-slow, and the only way to fix it is to brick the player (which was possible with the old ReverseBL patch, but now it's gone)
21:19:54LloreanUm, "Brick" means unrecoverable...
21:20:16LloreanSo I don't understand what you're talking about when you say "bricking" it fixes something. I can only assume you're using the term to refer to forcing it into recovery or manufacturing mode.
21:20:21LloreanWhich can both be done with key combinations.
21:20:56FalenYeah. But going into recovery mode and make it go to the old firmware doesn't fix the problem for some reason
21:21:02LloreanConsidering we don't provide support for the original firmware here, though, you might want to contact Sandisk about bugs in their Softawre.
21:23:45FalenWell, generally it's not a bug, and it often comes after you use the rockbox bootloader installer
21:24:13LloreanIf it's not a bug, what would you call it?
21:24:32LloreanAnd you said that restoring the original firmware with Recovery Mode doesn't make it go away.
21:24:41LloreanSuggesting rather strongly that it's not dependent on the presence of anything Rockbox.
21:24:53FalenBad coding? All the new sansa firmware versions are exactly that slow
21:25:21LloreanIf bad coding makes it not work how it's supposed to work, isn't that kinda the definition of a bug?
21:25:39LloreanEither way, does it or does it not continue to work slow after you use recovery mode to put a clean original firmware on your device?
21:26:29FalenIt continues to be slow when I put in a original firmware in the recovery mode
21:27:24LloreanAnd at that point none of our code is on it.
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21:28:30FalenNo, it's probably not a rockbox-related problem, I just thought I ask here to see if anybody knows a solution
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21:30:27LloreanFalen: This is #Rockbox, and the guidelines state that it's for rockbox related questions.
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21:31:21LloreanIt's not that I don't sympathize with your problems, but the channel is logged, and many of us read them to see what's happened when we're not around. If it became a general player support channel for all the players we run on, it'd become useless for our purposes.
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21:32:35FalenI came here to see if the digerati guy at the forums was online,
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21:33:56bobruleshow do I access the new cover flow feature?
21:33:56preglowmy oh my, the database update is slow on nano
21:34:07LloreanFalen: If you needed to contact him, PM him in the forums...
21:34:17Lloreanpreglow: Slower than other iPods?
21:34:24preglowwell, it does one file per second
21:34:29preglowi don't have nay other ipods
21:34:43LloreanOne per second seems very on the slow side.
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21:34:49preglowno shit
21:35:09LloreanThat's slower than it should be.
21:35:14LloreanWell.. used to be.
21:36:07bobrulesnvm it's in the plugin section
21:37:06bobrulesat the end of the scanning it says data abort
21:37:11bobruleshow do I fix it?
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21:38:39preglowLlorean: well, do you know how fast usual targets chug through the files?
21:39:37jottbobrules: data abort? which device?
21:39:41preglowit's not exactly hyper fast on the h120 either
21:39:42ravvepreglow: My X5 did 2-3/s a while ago, but now it does 20+/s
21:39:42Lloreanpreglow: Well, the usual number of "five or so minutes" is quoted for a decent number of files
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21:39:56LloreanI know that it took me less than 3 minutes for some 2000 files.
21:40:01LloreanOn my h120]
21:40:08bobrulessansa e250
21:40:12LloreanBut again, old code. Database stores a lot more now
21:40:24bobrulesalso it only showed 2 out of my 300 albums
21:40:33bobruleswhat format does the pictures have to be?
21:40:53jottbobrules: bmp.
21:41:04PaulJamon my h300 database scan is very fast. it feels like less tahn a minute with ~2500 audio files.
21:41:05jottevery size *should* work but 100x100 is preferred
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21:41:35bobrulesmy cover.bmp are all 110*110
21:41:36jottbobrules: have you done a complete install of your build? or just the .rock?
21:41:44jottbobrules: oh..
21:41:55jottbobrules: you have to change the code for now to make this work..
21:42:23jottbobrules: in apps/plugins/pictureflow.c change #define MAX_IMG_WIDTH 100 -> #define MAX_IMG_WIDTH 110
21:42:26jott(and _HEIGHT)
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21:42:59preglowi love the fact that dircache seems to have an impact on nano
21:43:06preglowwe really must be doing something wrong with the ata bridge chip
21:43:12bobrulesjott: can I edited it with note pad?
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21:43:29jottbobrules: and delete the .rockbox/rocks/demos/pictureflow/ directory
21:43:41jottbobrules: should work if linebreaks are not messed
21:44:03bobrulesdo I have to cahnge max length too?
21:44:49bobrulesyou can't select a music to play right now right?
21:45:06jottno..not yet.. and it does not work reliable when music is playing..
21:45:15jottthose are todos :)
21:45:23bobrulesyou made it?
21:45:25PaulJamjott: is it expected that an album where the cover is named cover.75x75.bmp does show the defaultcover in the demo? and if there are the files cover.bmp and cover.100x100.bmp, which one would be preferred? sorry if the plugin is too jung for those kind of questions.
21:45:52jottbobrules: i did the plugin with Nico_P as a port from the qt version
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21:46:26bobrulesit looks great
21:47:36bobrulesI can't find pictureflow.c
21:47:36jottPaulJam: hm actually it tries to prefer the file MAX_IMG_WIDTHxMAX_IMG_HEIGHT.bmp
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21:48:13PaulJamjott: thanks
21:48:31bobruleswhere's the apps folder
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21:48:37omryhi all, does rockbox support ogg files?
21:48:53jottbobrules: in the svn checkout..
21:48:53karashataomry, yes
21:49:23bobrulesI have no idea how that works.
21:49:47jottbobrules: did you compile/build the flash image yourself?
21:50:08bobrulesI updated rockbox to the latest build
21:50:17jottah ok..
21:50:24krazykitbobrules, you have to compile it yourself if you want to change that.
21:50:39omrykarashata, thanks.
21:51:03bobruleso man I'll wait for a future update then
21:51:22karashataomry, you're welcome
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21:51:44preglowi like the fact that the pictureflow splash clips on the nano display...
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21:52:17preglowehh, why does pictureflow include entries for anything without album art?
21:52:22preglowthat's a weird way to do things
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21:52:33jottpreglow: well it's supposed to be an option later
21:52:44preglowgood, also the font drawing needs to do alpha :>
21:52:45jottto filter those..
21:52:52Learpreglow: sbr_hfadj.c:hf_adjustment uses fairly much stack too, but making adj static didn't help...
21:53:00preglowit looks silly with a black background, heh
21:53:08jottpreglow: is there a simple way to do so?
21:53:25bobrulesplease make it support 110*110 in the future
21:53:29jottit's currently just lcd_putsxy
21:53:33preglowjott: oh no, not at all
21:53:45preglowall our drawing functions set background colour explicitely, afaik
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21:55:29jotti guess we should increase the maximum size.. maybe it's good to average over all sizes of the covers found and use that as the "preferred" size..
21:56:00LloreanWell "MAX" and "Preferred" shouldn't be identical
21:56:16jottLlorean: that's an implication of my idea :)
21:56:18LloreanMAX should probably be a bit bigger than preferred, and both should be dependent on LCD size
21:56:44LloreanFor example, our color LCDs range from 128x80 iirc up to 320x240 and 240x320, with a 640x480 possibly on the way
21:56:58jottwhat's necessary to get svn commit access?
21:57:30preglowwe usually just ask people we think deserve it if they want it
21:57:37preglowafter having seen some of their work
21:57:41jotti see
21:57:58hcsseems to be a matter of people submitting stuff that gets committed, just let them do it themselves to save the middleman
21:58:12hcs(if it gets approved continually)
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22:10:04PaulJambobrules: can't you just additionally put 100x100 covers on your player?
22:11:44Nico_Pjott: we could just give the tmp buffer the same size as the framebuffer
22:12:12Nico_Pthe bitmap loader doesn't accept more than that, and it's a single buffer, so I guess it's not too much
22:13:20jottNico_P: it's too much...
22:13:29jotti just started to allocate bufferspace..
22:13:56Nico_Pwhat do you mean?
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22:14:16jottNico_P: well 100x100 is quite the limit for now for PLUGIN_RAM
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22:14:34Nico_Preally? I tried 130x130 and it worked fine
22:14:35jottdynamically allocation bufferspace is more flexible (bufalloc etc.)
22:14:56jottNico_P: yeah i tried 200x200 and that failed.. somewhere inbetween probably
22:15:14jottand as we use bufferspace anyway i see no harm in doing there too
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22:17:14Soapwill it look for cover.100x100.bmp? (or 50x50)
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22:19:04Soapfor all my players have cover.bmp images which are the player's smallest dimension (240x240 on gigabeat and iPod video for example), and cover.<size>x<size>.bmp for whatever WPSs I use.
22:20:29PaulJamSoap: cover.75x75.bmp didn't seem to work for me, but cover.100x100.bmp works fine here.
22:22:37*karashata has a recommendation for later work on the pictureflow plugin: make the album titles scroll
22:22:44preglowmaaan, this helix lib is so damned tempting :///
22:23:01Soapthank you PaulJam
22:23:07Lloreanpreglow: Just figure out a way to meet the conditions of both licenses then
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22:23:33*keanu wonders if pictureflow isn't working on my sansa due to the .rockbox directory being all messed up
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22:26:43pixelmaLlorean: 128 pixel is ths smallest colour lcd width (5/6GB H10), 80 the smallest height (c200)
22:26:50krazykitkeanu, probably all the zillion patches you put in your build. nuke the .rockbox directory and try again.
22:27:03keanukrazykit, haha, ok
22:28:14Lloreanpixelma: The c200 is 132 tall, isn't it?
22:29:28pixelmayes (if by tall you mean the width)
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22:30:05LloreanYes, I'm holding four conversations at once right now, and one is verbal. :)
22:32:47*freqmod_nx wonders how to translate "o'clock" when "12 o'clock" in Norwegian is "klokken 12"
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22:34:21preglowfreqmod_nx: yeah, there are some translation problems hard to solve...
22:34:35freqmod_nxnot that I am translating voice...
22:34:58preglowbut those problems will have to be solved sooner or later, it's very english-centric right now
22:35:05preglowthe same goes for voicing numbers
22:35:43freqmod_nxyes, gettext uses a format that support singular, dual, trial forms etc. too
22:35:57preglowtwenty three vs drei und zwanzig/treogtjue, etc
22:36:14freqmod_nxand something like "%s 'a clock' -> "klokka %s"
22:36:22freqmod_nxehh, yes for counting
22:36:42freqmod_nxbut special conjugation for more than singular and plural
22:37:23preglowhave anyone been able to get their hands on the helix source code? the cvs server seems to require that you have an account and the source code links are conveniently dead
22:38:04LearYou can download a zip with all the source...
22:38:23preglowwell, the only links i could find the source zips are dead
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22:39:31jottpreglow: helix cvs is *real* mess but you can use freereg/freereg to login :)
22:40:15jottyou still have to upload a public ssh key..
22:40:40preglowthe swine
22:40:48PaulJamlittle question: why was FS #5501 rejected? i've been using the cabbie2 theme for a few days and miss the numeric volume representation a bit. with this patch it would be possible to have both, numeric and graphic representation without using additional space similar to the default statusbar
22:41:45freqmod_nx(beta, not tested update of norwegian translation , will submit in a few days after some testing)
22:41:46jottthe licenses are somehow restrictive anyway :/
22:42:00PaulJam(ok, the patch is propably horribly outdated, but i like the basic idea)
22:42:26saratogawhats with all the Helix interest these days? didn't they explicitly state that they're not going to GPL anything?
22:42:31saratogaif so, what good are they
22:42:35preglowjott: i didn't need to upload any keys, thanks for the login :)
22:42:41Learpreglow: The links on this page work (at least the first source link...):
22:42:59jottpreglow: :) is your friend ;)
22:43:06preglowsaratoga: it seems to be a good codec, i'm interested in just learning what it does right that faad does so very wrong
22:43:13preglowjott: oh, indeed
22:43:34LloreanPaulJam: It seems like it'd be impossible to effectively preserve formatting and positioning with that patch, just from reading it.
22:43:50saratogapreglow: wouldn't the ffmpeg one be a better place to start since its GPLed?
22:44:03saratoganot sure we should be looking over code thats not under GPL terms for ideas
22:44:16preglowsaratoga: it's not ready yet, and it's buggy
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22:44:51preglowit's in the process of being rewritten
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22:44:59preglowwhat's wrong with looking at non-gpled code for ideas?
22:45:08preglowit's not like i'm stealing anything they've copyrighted
22:45:42scorcheLlorean: can you give any detail for what the Real person said about "There was mention of an exception being made to some of their standard policies in regards to GPL licensing of codecs for the XO / OLPC laptop"?
22:46:30keanuAlright, what's the format/size/etc needed for pictures to show up in pictureflow on the Sansa?
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22:47:37shampooHi everyone
22:47:56PaulJamLlorean: i'm not sure i understand what you mean.
22:48:13shampooI'm getting 3hr battery life on a iPod 30gig Video.. Is this about normal ?
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22:48:22keanuright now I have then all in [album name].bmp, all different sizes, saved as a 24 bit bitmap with MS paint
22:49:18LloreanPaulJam: Images are positioned absolutely, text is positioned relatively. Does volume images vs text work well with that conditional?
22:50:01Lloreanscorche: He said that normally their codecs aren't licensed under the GPL. Because their company so badly wanted to get their codecs on the OLPC, some exceptions were made. I don't know any real details beyond that.
22:50:15scorchealright...i shall go hunting
22:50:26LloreanI don't know if it's an exception in the RPSL of some sort, or if it's an exception in that they're actually GPL licensed on it, or what
22:51:29keanuany suggestions for getting pictureflow to work? right now it just shows a blank screen
22:52:01Lloreankeanu: It looks for files named in the cover.bmp method that rockbox likes
22:52:17preglowLlorean: i really couldn't find any code of that kind for olpc
22:52:23keanuLlorean, ah, so it requires cover.bmp, and won't allow [album name].bmp?
22:53:01Lloreanpreglow: Well it may not be at the normal helix site? Or you may have to request it directly once you've been distributed an OLPC, who knows?
22:53:10Lloreankeanu: AFAIK, yes
22:53:21keanuLlorean, that might explain it ;) thanks
22:53:22Lloreankeanu: Otherwise it would just index all .bmps on the device, probably not ideal
22:53:44keanuthat makes sense - thanks
22:55:17keanunow lets try..
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22:55:32preglowLlorean: well, rockbox could buy one...
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22:56:07Lloreanpreglow: Scorche has got one either on the way, or already
22:56:23LloreanIf he can figure out where their media player uses Real, and where the license is stored, he could find out
22:56:25scorchei have been active in the olpc channels as well
22:57:14keanuLlorean, renaming about five bitmaps to cover.bmp didn't work - anything else I could be doing wrong?
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22:58:32Lloreankeanu: Do they work in album art WPSes?
22:59:11keanuLlorean, hold on
22:59:29preglowscorche: well, could you find out if they actually use the helix aac decoder in some way?
23:00:46Lloreanpreglow: It *sounded* like he was referring to Real Audio / Video. Which of course could include AAC, but might not too.
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23:01:22knix_Hello all
23:01:23PaulJamLlorean: i'm still not sure what you mean. if i understand correctly it should work like every other conditional. you'd only have to make sure that the volume text and the graphic representation are at the same position, which shouldn't be hard.
23:01:54keanuLlorean, weird...they don't display in the WPS, and rockpaint can't open them
23:02:18keanuexplains quite a lot
23:02:19knix_I have a ipod 30g video, and I used the rockbox util to install everything. I havent put music on yet, and I try to build the DB, and it just hangs there.
23:03:00preglowscorche: that does seem to imply they're using what we want, yes
23:03:08preglowscorche: is the code for it located in some kind of public repo?
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23:03:17LloreanPaulJam: If I recall in the past, conditionals that either showed a graphic or text had problems clearing the graphic, didn't they?
23:03:22scorcheas well, talking to them, they are saying that whatever such an exception might be, it hasnt materialized yet, as they cannot ship that version of the activity with laptops due to patents and such
23:03:52preglowso there's no code for it yet either or what? it's supplied directly by real?
23:03:52PaulJamLlorean: i think this was fixed a few weeks ago.
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23:04:45preglowLicense doesn't allow the Four Freedoms that the GPL protects. This isn't free software.
23:04:51preglowseems there's no exception
23:04:54PaulJamLlorean: but indeed, there could be problems with having other graphics on the same line like the volume.
23:04:59scorchethey are going on about patents
23:05:11scorchescorche: implementations and copyright licenses are not the issue here. It's software patents.
23:05:23scorche" it would be contributory patent infringement to allow Rockbox to be downloaded by someone in the US."
23:06:15pixelmaLlorean, PaulJam: yes that's been fixed though there still is a short delay if the graphic is removed until the text appears again
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23:07:13PaulJampixelma: thanks. then maybe it isn't possible to implement the way i imagined.
23:07:33LloreanPaulJam: I would think the problem would actually be with other text on the same line as the volume, rather than other graphics.
23:07:42LloreanSince graphics are absolutely positioned, and wouldn't care about the conditional state
23:08:59PaulJamLlorean: i was thinking of statusbar at the bottom of the the cabbie2 theme. there is no other text.
23:09:47saratogathe helix OLPC thing looks like a binary distribution
23:09:50LloreanThen the only dependency would be that the volume text be less wide/tall than the image.
23:10:07saratogawhich makes sense since if they'd actually GPLed their code they'd have told us about it
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23:11:10keanuLlorean, still not working. images do display in the WPS though
23:11:19Lloreankeanu: And they're 100x100 or less?
23:11:42keanuLlorean, one (or two) are 75x75, and about four are 100x100
23:12:24Learpreglow: ouch, sbr decoder contains some floating point stuff. maybe not called often, but...
23:12:36scorchepreglow: apparently the code for the Helix framework and activity are GPL, but the codecs are not
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23:14:04amiconnscorche: I wonder how that's possible...
23:14:06preglowgod, i've had it with faad
23:20:51scorcheactually it is (presumably) LGPL...OLPC doesnt bundle or support that activity, so they dont know..apparently Real hired the OSUOSL to write it
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23:22:26scorchei do have an email of the current maintainer of the activity...who wants to mail him?
23:23:02Jetonjott: Can't you make PictureFlow read .jpg file also for the album art? I'm asking this on the long term, if there's an option to play music from Picture Flow.
23:23:05saratogai downloaded the helix package for the OLPC and theres no source code and no mention of a license, so I don't see how it could be GPL
23:23:23saratogathey'd have to at least mention its GPLed code if they're distributing it right?
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23:25:38Learpreglow: found the source, I think. Looks like a bug to me: Line 693 in sbr_fbt.c, should it really do REAL_CONST on that limTable value?
23:28:12LloreanJeton: Rockbox doesn't support jpeg album art.
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23:28:24JetonLlorean: i know that.
23:28:35LloreanSo, why should Cover Flow support album art that Rockbox can't display?
23:28:47LloreanPeople would then simply report it as a bug when they pick an album in Cover Flow and the art doesn't show up in the WPS
23:29:01Jetoni was asking if the plugin could read .jpg files
23:29:13Jetonit was just a question.
23:29:29LloreanYou asked if *we* could make it read jpeg files.
23:29:43LloreanWith a clear connotation that you meant, in the main build.
23:29:56scorchesaratoga: yes.. .xo is just an activity source
23:30:16scorchewho wanted to use this email to find out more?....or shall i just do it?
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23:30:19Jetonah, connotation
23:30:45Jetoni didn't imply having it on the main build by that.
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23:30:49LloreanJeton: Well, it's rather obvious a plugin can load jpeg images, so I knew you weren't simply asking that.
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23:31:37Jetoni asked it because i thought that the plugin didn't read Album Art as it's being read on the WPS screen.
23:32:10LloreanThe WPS can't do jpeg cover art.
23:32:10Jetonif the same method is used, then there's nothing "you"/jott can do.
23:32:24LloreanThe plugin can do whatever it wants.
23:32:39Jetonthat's why i asked :)
23:32:55Jetonif it can do whatever, then maybe it can do jpeg. ;)
23:33:04LloreanI don't understand the question then
23:33:11amiconnIt can. The question is whether it should
23:33:11LloreanWHY should the plugin do jpeg if jpeg isn't supported in the WPS?
23:33:23LloreanAs I said in my very first response to you, it *shouldn't* do something different from the WPS
23:33:29LloreanImplying rather strongly that it *could* in theory.
23:33:43*amiconn thinks this plugin shouldn't exist </rant>
23:33:46preglowlemur__: i raelly don't know
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23:34:25preglowamiconn: why not?
23:34:34PaulJamLlorean: i just tried the switching between graphic/numeric with the cabbie_default wps using the remote hold conditional instead and it seemed to work fine, but it just looks silly with white text between the yellow icons. so it turned out that it was not such a good idea.
23:34:42*karashata is indifferent to the plugin, but it's definitely flashy...
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23:35:11preglowlemur__: sorry, that wasn't meant for you
23:36:36*amiconn tried coverflow on a 3rd Gen Nano at the local electronics store
23:36:53amiconnCompletely useless method of navigation...
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23:38:49bobrulesas long as pictureflow supports 110*110 cover.bmp
23:38:52preglowit's more flashy than anything else, yeah
23:39:22scorcheany more useless than, say, fireworks? :)
23:39:43preglowi think it's cool
23:39:57Jeton_or rocklife
23:40:12pixelmascorche: yeah, square (as in rb) fireworks is really useless ;)
23:40:37scorchebut is it less or more useless than coverflow?!? =P
23:40:47amiconnI didn't check out the rockbox plugin (in fact I can't, as I don't have a single coverart BMP on any of my targets), but if it's like coverflow, it doesn't even look nice
23:41:02Bagderwe need a uselessometer to tell
23:41:17scorchehrm...i guess i will just write the email then...
23:41:24pregloweven i think it looks nice
23:42:00*pixelma found a note about "anti-rubbish-weeks" in some devcon scribble... :)
23:42:25*preglow got himself some album art just for this plugin :>
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23:43:48saratogais there a screen shot of it somewhere
23:43:51saratogai don't have any album art
23:43:58*karashata made album art once the support for it entered SVN, as well as making his themes support album art. Way too much time on his hands, honestly...
23:44:20preglowsaratoga: there should be a movie of it some place
23:44:23scorchesaratoga: well, there is this:
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23:45:39saratogaholy crap thats running on an ARM7?
23:45:45saratogathats unbelievable
23:45:58bobrulesit looks great
23:46:08bobruleswhen it supprots 110*110 ofcourse
23:46:17jottbobrules: heh it will :)
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23:46:32saratogadamn it now i'm going to need some cover art
23:46:38amiconnWhy not? Doom was running smooth on a 386/40
23:46:59saratogadoom was a bunch of bitmaps being dragged around the screen
23:47:24jottthis is nothing else..
23:47:39amiconnNot just dragged, but also variable scaled/distorted
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23:48:29saratogathis has rotation too, i don't think doom could do that
23:48:34Robin0800Nico_P, flow is very slow on an ipod video with 300 pictures, the text needs to scroll and would be nice to play the album displayed
23:48:50saratogabut yeah i guess you're right, we've got way more CPU power then a 386 on most targets
23:49:07amiconnOn all targets which offer album art
23:49:55*amiconn isn't impressed at all by the video
23:50:04jottRobin0800: playlist support will come later.. and scrolling might be useful..
23:50:16Nico_PRobin0800: what is slow, the animations? and playing the displayed album is a planned feature but give time, we only committed ot today
23:50:19jottRobin0800: the number of albums should not impact performance
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23:51:33jotti also have some perfomance tweaks in mind but this will follow...
23:52:09saratogaNico_P: I was wondering if theres been any thought to having album art cached or organized by the database?
23:52:10Robin0800Nico_P,yes going from one picture to the next over 3 seconds i think it also appears you can't go backwards or perhaps thats even slower
23:52:31saratogait sound slike this plugin does some caching of it's own, maybe this would be useful to other plugins or the WPS?
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23:53:19*amiconn still wonders about the basic/gimmicks ratio
23:53:41*amiconn got 2 freezes on H340 and 1 freeze on H180 today
23:54:07amiconnHappened just while walking the menu
23:54:13jottRobin0800: for now it's not wise to play music in the background...
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23:54:27preglowamiconn: any more ideas about the status bar, btw? it's started hapenning to my nano now i have a voice file
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23:55:00Robin0800jott,i'm not playing music
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23:56:08jottRobin0800: hmh.. it runs at 20fps here.. (ipod 30gb 5.5g)
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23:56:38knix_ipod 30gb 5g, hanging on building database. Thoughts?
23:57:17Robin0800Nico_P,sorry about speed thing was using forward and back just found out you can scroll plenty fast enough now
23:57:42bobrulesit runs at 50fps+ on my sansa
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23:58:59pixelmasaratoga: I didn't ask about the RWPSs specifically but how to deal with them in the wiki page...

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