| 00:00:07 | Klevi | "Make sure the disk isnt full, or write protected" |
| 00:00:17 | Klevi | my reaction: WTF |
| 00:00:18 | amiconn | Those microsd cards have a write protect lever |
| 00:00:23 | Klevi | Where...? |
| 00:00:26 | Klevi | o.o |
| 00:00:29 | amiconn | Very easy to switch by accident... |
| 00:00:36 | Klevi | its... tiny |
| 00:00:40 | Klevi | where is it |
| 00:00:46 | amiconn | Ah, no, I'm confusing something |
| 00:01:08 | Klevi | SD cards have one |
| 00:01:10 | Klevi | I know that |
| 00:01:12 | amiconn | That was the sd adapter for those cards |
| 00:01:16 | Klevi | Yes |
| 00:01:17 | Klevi | Wait |
| 00:02:11 | pixelma | the big SD cards have that - and I often switch that just by inserting said adapter into my card reader :\ |
| 00:02:21 | Klevi | Yeah |
| 00:02:29 | Klevi | Thats what i as gonna ask |
| 00:02:55 | Klevi | its in the UNLOCK position to start with |
| 00:03:24 | Klevi | *inserts it as LOCKED, then removes it changing it to UNLOCK" |
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| 00:06:45 | Klevi | ... gahh. no luck. |
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| 00:11:48 | Klevi | Its okay... I can access it through file explorer apparently |
| 00:12:13 | Klevi | but.. the media streaming program my HP has wont read my card |
| 00:12:42 | Klevi | thanks anyway guys.. |
| 00:13:14 | Klevi | While im here, any functionality updates were released for rockbox since the second of december? |
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| 00:14:15 | Bagder | Klevi: see wiki/MajorChanges |
| 00:14:18 | linuxstb | You can see the recent changes here - http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html |
| 00:17:52 | * | Bagder nows spots the nice new tower |
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| 00:27:14 | webguest43 | does the Arcos Recorder also have software USB ? |
| 00:27:27 | Bagder | no |
| 00:28:00 | webguest43 | ah, so the drivers that it wants when connecting to a pc is for something else ? |
| 00:28:26 | Mouser_X | No, you're supposed to ignore those. |
| 00:28:44 | Mouser_X | The current USB support from within Rockbox is pretty much for recharging only. |
| 00:28:45 | Bagder | an archos recorder should not cause that |
| 00:29:05 | Mouser_X | Bagder: Ah... I'm not familiare with all the targets that Rockbox runs on. |
| 00:29:11 | Llorean | webguest43: What OS? |
| 00:29:19 | amiconn | An archos recorder *will* make windows ask for drivers, unless it's the 20GB model |
| 00:29:29 | l7 | hey, does anyone have an opinion on what the best way to install rockbox on a sansa is? |
| 00:29:30 | Bagder | ah yes, the pre 20 ones... |
| 00:29:35 | amiconn | Same goes for all archos Player/Studio models |
| 00:29:37 | scorche | or some 15... |
| 00:29:37 | l7 | i am looking at rockbox utility |
| 00:29:45 | webguest43 | Win xp; Well, whenever I plug my Recorder into a "vigin" pc, it prompts for drivers which I duly point it to |
| 00:29:53 | l7 | and also this: http://lodist.com/showthread.php?t=1538 |
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| 00:30:10 | scorche | as i have said before, some ajbrv1 15 gigs were 2.0, some were 1.1 |
| 00:30:21 | amiconn | webguest43: That doesn't mean those devices have software usb, it just means they don't speak the standard USB MSC protocol |
| 00:30:32 | webguest43 | thanks, just wondering |
| 00:30:33 | Llorean | l7: We don't support any install methods but the one in the manual. Just use it, it works. |
| 00:31:28 | amiconn | They have a hardware usb-ata bridge like all other targets except the portalplayer ones, just one from before USB MSC was specified |
| 00:31:39 | l7 | ah okay, i found rbutility |
| 00:32:01 | l7 | i wonder if there are any differences between mac and windows installers |
| 00:32:33 | krazykit | there shouldn't be. |
| 00:32:35 | scorche | one is compiled as a mac executable....one is compiled as a windows executable |
| 00:32:49 | scorche | that should be the difference |
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| 00:33:41 | l7 | i guess 1.0.3 on a mac is better than 1.0.2 on windows |
| 00:34:07 | l7 | the windows version is rbutilqt-1.0.3pre.zip |
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| 00:35:31 | davidfg4 | How do I make lame work recursively? |
| 00:35:42 | krazykit | davidfg4, that's off topic here. |
| 00:35:47 | l7 | what does "pre" mean? |
| 00:35:48 | davidfg4 | oh |
| 00:36:04 | davidfg4 | I couldn't find a lame help channel |
| 00:36:09 | krazykit | #lame, maybe? |
| 00:36:21 | linuxstb | l7: There's no difference between 1.0.3pre and 1.0.3 |
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| 00:38:57 | Llorean | davidfg4: Well, honestly, whether it exists or not doesn't make it on-topic for this channel. |
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| 00:51:09 | samwichse | I installed rockbox with a standard build from the main site, but I want to install a theme that shows album art, and it wants the "kugel build." Can I just install that over top of the original rockbox, or should I delete the .rockbox dir and start fresh? |
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| 00:55:31 | Llorean | samwichse: Honestly, I'd recommend you stick with the official build, and go to the provider of the unofficial build for questions if you really must use it. Since the official version has Album Art too now, WPS authors should be, hopefully, converting and updating theirs |
| 00:55:36 | scorche | samwichse: you should be able to "install that over the top", but keep in mind that that is an unsupported build |
| 00:55:51 | samwichse | ok |
| 00:56:06 | samwichse | how recent is album art support built in to the official? |
| 00:56:56 | samwichse | ie: the official copy was dowloaded 11-12-07 |
| 00:57:06 | samwichse | and seems not to support it |
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| 00:57:27 | GodEater | which date format is that ? |
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| 00:57:37 | samwichse | err... september 12 |
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| 00:57:43 | samwichse | november |
| 00:57:49 | samwichse | november 12th, sorry |
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| 00:57:53 | samwichse | (long day) |
| 00:57:55 | GodEater | that's a pretty old build then |
| 00:57:56 | Llorean | samwichse: The MajorChanges wiki page tells when new features were added. But the WPS may still need fixing. |
| 00:59:02 | samwichse | ok, I'll download the latest official and see how that works out |
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| 01:00:50 | amiconn | MajorChanges still isn't linked from the frontpage? :> |
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| 01:11:54 | samwichse | so the original now includes the album art patch and the bmp resize patch? |
| 01:12:24 | samwichse | err.. original=official |
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| 01:15:57 | amiconn | samwichse: Neither |
| 01:16:06 | samwichse | oh |
| 01:16:15 | amiconn | The official build now supports album art |
| 01:16:29 | samwichse | I don't see any themes showing album art that DON'T require at least one... |
| 01:16:30 | amiconn | ...done the right way, not like the old patch did it |
| 01:16:45 | samwichse | or does that mean it just needs those features present? |
| 01:16:58 | samwichse | and not the actual patch? |
| 01:17:07 | amiconn | Same feature, different (better) implementation |
| 01:17:35 | samwichse | so a theme that says it needs the patches will work fine without them in the official |
| 01:17:42 | samwichse | (is the question) |
| 01:17:55 | amiconn | I don't know. Maybe the wps needs a bit of adjustment |
| 01:18:05 | * | amiconn doesn't use album art |
| 01:18:14 | samwichse | k, I'll give it a shot |
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| 01:31:52 | samwichse | the answer is: most don't work correctly, a few do |
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| 02:13:40 | l7 | argh |
| 02:13:47 | l7 | i seem to be having some rockbox install issues |
| 02:14:00 | l7 | windows will not recognize the rockbox in msc mode |
| 02:14:06 | l7 | it gives a code 10 error |
| 02:14:20 | Llorean | "recognize the Rockbox"? |
| 02:14:26 | l7 | yeah |
| 02:14:34 | l7 | well it wouldn't install the usb drivers properly |
| 02:14:40 | Llorean | What player are you talking about |
| 02:14:43 | l7 | but, it did sort of work in windows safe mode |
| 02:14:49 | l7 | a sansa e200 |
| 02:14:57 | Llorean | And you're in the original firmware when connecting? |
| 02:15:08 | l7 | however rbutil does not seem to work in safe mode with networking |
| 02:15:10 | Llorean | Rockbox doesn't have a working USB stack yet for those players. |
| 02:15:21 | l7 | yes, i'm working with a OF |
| 02:15:43 | Llorean | So why did you say "Recognize the Rockbox" at all then of rockbox isn't installed? |
| 02:16:10 | Llorean | Are you trying to install the bootloader then? |
| 02:16:20 | l7 | yes |
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| 02:16:35 | Llorean | have you tried the manual install? |
| 02:16:39 | l7 | well i think i have a V2 e200 sansa |
| 02:16:57 | Llorean | Well didn't you verify before you started? |
| 02:17:00 | l7 | well i am about to try to see if i can now go back to normal windows mode and install with rbutil |
| 02:17:07 | pixelma | check the original firmware's version |
| 02:17:20 | l7 | what versions will work with rockbox? |
| 02:17:27 | Llorean | The V2 player won't work ata ll |
| 02:17:35 | Llorean | If the original firmware version is 3.anything then it's a V2 |
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| 02:18:34 | l7__ | re |
| 02:19:01 | l7 | dammit |
| 02:19:08 | l7 | can i downgrade the firmware? |
| 02:19:19 | Llorean | It's a hardware thing |
| 02:19:25 | Llorean | The v2 player is different hardware entirely |
| 02:19:30 | l7 | oh crap |
| 02:19:39 | l7 | i guess i better return this thing |
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| 02:19:54 | l7 | it was a e260 from a recent woot |
| 02:20:05 | l7 | i think woot's e250s worked :\ |
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| 02:20:33 | l7 | it is version 01.02.18A |
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| 02:20:37 | l7 | is that a V2? |
| 02:20:44 | advcomp2019 | l7, that is a v1 |
| 02:20:52 | l7 | phew |
| 02:21:01 | l7 | it does not work with my mac for some reason |
| 02:21:09 | Llorean | Did you try the manual install method? |
| 02:21:11 | l7 | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=944 |
| 02:21:14 | l7 | not yet |
| 02:21:18 | l7 | i'm wondering what i should do |
| 02:21:31 | pixelma | no, that's a v1. Do you run rbutil with admin/root rights (whatever it's called)? |
| 02:21:32 | l7 | it is mounted as a msc drive in windows now |
| 02:21:46 | l7 | yeah it was an admin account in windows |
| 02:21:51 | Llorean | Try the manual install |
| 02:21:54 | l7 | safe mode might have been the problem |
| 02:21:54 | Llorean | As I suggested earlier. |
| 02:21:56 | advcomp2019 | l7, i have here you need to have 1.01.11 to work with a mac right |
| 02:22:50 | l7 | advcomp2019: i believe that is what someone said on the ABI forums |
| 02:22:55 | l7 | well it's time for dinner |
| 02:23:01 | l7 | i will try a manual install afterwards |
| 02:23:56 | l7 | i dont understand why sandisk is doing stupid things that make rockbox incompatible |
| 02:23:59 | l7 | oh well |
| 02:24:10 | l7 | if anyone else gets a code 10 error, safe mode may help them |
| 02:24:24 | Llorean | Because people do stupid things like return their players after failing to install Rockbox, or messing them up by installing it wrong, and costing them money. |
| 02:24:39 | l7 | oh |
| 02:24:43 | l7 | that's too bad |
| 02:24:59 | l7 | considering they originally wanted to help with rockbox |
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| 02:25:49 | l7 | maybe they'd make a bit more money from sales by people like me who buy a sansa for rockbox |
| 02:26:27 | l7 | of course, i suspect rockbox on their older generation of players is probably better than their new generation of players |
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| 03:01:44 | psycho_maniac | if and when the default theme is changed. will the new wps load when there is something wrong with a loaded wps? or will the "real default" wps be loaded then? |
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| 03:02:34 | Llorean | The basic default will load if there's a flaw. |
| 03:02:38 | Llorean | The one that currently loads |
| 03:02:50 | Llorean | that one's hard-coded, compiled in, and doesn't depend on any files on the disk except rockbox.ipod |
| 03:03:08 | psycho_maniac | ah good. |
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| 03:04:21 | psycho_maniac | how does one become the new default theme then? not from how do you make one but how do you make rockbox have a new theme? i hope you understand what im trying to say |
| 03:05:58 | Llorean | Pretty easy. Include it in the rockbox.zip, and have Rockbox look for it first if no theme is set in the .cfg |
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| 03:24:06 | l7__ | hey, what is DockPod Aqua? |
| 03:24:19 | l7__ | i recieved an HTTP error 400 during installation of it |
| 03:24:47 | Llorean | It's a theme? |
| 03:24:54 | l7__ | oh okay |
| 03:25:41 | l7__ | it seems that the URL has changed |
| 03:25:58 | l7__ | rbutil can bring up dockpod aqua large, but not the normal one |
| 03:28:04 | l7__ | why did the H4rdc0r3_Linux ReadMe.txt file wind up in the root directory of my sansa? |
| 03:31:25 | l7__ | woohoo it worked |
| 03:32:26 | l7__ | okay i love rockbox now i think |
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| 03:43:46 | l7__ | hrm, weird |
| 03:44:24 | Nico_P | Bagder: (hoping you read the logs) could you possibly fix the commit msg for r15738 so that it references the right FS task? it's actually FS #5960 that was committed |
| 03:44:39 | l7__ | i plugged in the e200 after installing rockbox and now windows is giving me more usb grief |
| 03:45:14 | l7__ | the LED stays lit up and e200 refuses to boot |
| 03:45:25 | advcomp2019 | l7__, are you in OF or rockbox |
| 03:45:33 | l7__ | advcomp2019: nope |
| 03:45:41 | l7__ | there is a blank screen |
| 03:45:47 | l7__ | and the LED is lit |
| 03:46:00 | l7__ | crap, are you supposed to boot into OF before connecting? |
| 03:48:18 | l7__ | the problem is i can't power off now |
| 03:48:24 | l7__ | freaking windows |
| 03:48:52 | Llorean | Hold power for 15 seconds. |
| 03:48:59 | Llorean | If that doesn't work, hold it longer |
| 03:49:14 | l7__ | phew |
| 03:49:20 | l7__ | okay it worked |
| 03:49:20 | Llorean | And please try not to punctuate with the enter key. At the very least attempt to type complete sentences and thoughts |
| 03:49:55 | l7__ | i thought it was dead.... alright i'll try to type paragraphs. i'm back to rockbox firmware now. |
| 03:50:25 | l7__ | i assume that it is probably best to be in OF before connecting any USB cables |
| 03:51:23 | l7__ | windows did install a driver for an "Unknown Device" after i plugged in the e200 while powered off |
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| 03:59:54 | l7__ | well thanks for your help everyone. i'm gonna go play around with this new toy and try not to break it |
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| 04:01:14 | mokkurkalve | l7_: I had that experience too, when you plug in the cable when in RB, somertimes it starts charging, somtimes it freezes like you described: permanently lit scrollwheel, black screen. However, it's not dangerous, the device can, as stated, be hard reset by just holding power button long enough... |
| 04:01:56 | l7__ | mokkurkalve: ah cool. that is good to know since it rather scary. it _looks_ bricked the first time around :) |
| 04:02:28 | l7__ | it boots in 10 seconds, which is rather sweet |
| 04:03:41 | l7__ | now if i can only find a hack to get it to work with my mac, it would be perfect |
| 04:04:06 | mokkurkalve | l7__: It's hard to really brick the e200's - I flashed the thing from "rcovery" mode with files that was corrupted by faulty USB controllers on MoBo - it survived that too... |
| 04:04:31 | mokkurkalve | rcovery -> recovery |
| 04:06:28 | l7__ | MoBo = your motherboard? |
| 04:06:51 | Mouser_X | Usually, yes. |
| 04:06:59 | mokkurkalve | l7__: correct |
| 04:07:41 | l7__ | is that corruption problem happened to anyone else? |
| 04:07:54 | l7__ | er, _has_ that corruption problem happened to anyone else? |
| 04:08:42 | Mouser_X | mokkurkalve's problem was a motherboard issue. That means it was hardware based. So, chances are that it's only him that would have that problem. |
| 04:09:01 | Mouser_X | *him/her |
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| 04:10:05 | l7__ | hrm yeah. i am just wondering about what caused all the USB connection issues earlier with my computer and if they are related |
| 04:10:08 | mokkurkalve | It was my MoBo - Had nothing to do with RB. I could still get into Recovery mode - transfer the firmware files anew from a different computer (old laptop) and save the device ;) |
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| 04:11:07 | krazykit | l7__, you don't need a hack to make it work on a mac. the sansa's OF does MSC mode, which is universal. |
| 04:11:44 | l7__ | krazykit: i think the later firmware versions do not mount on a mac. at least not the version i have |
| 04:12:23 | l7__ | i'm reading this post right now |
| 04:12:25 | l7__ | http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/print?board.id=e200&message.id=1306&page=1&format=page |
| 04:13:08 | safetydan | l7_, you can downgrade the firmware IIRC |
| 04:13:16 | krazykit | l7__, you could use sansapatcher to downgrade the firmware easily |
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| 04:13:56 | krazykit | l7__, sansapatcher -of filename.mi4 |
| 04:14:03 | l7__ | any suggestions on which e200 firmware is prefered by rockbox users? |
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| 04:14:51 | l7__ | i'm wondering if i should update to sandisk's latest version, or downgrade to earlier ones. there were some rumors about the later 01.03 versions working with macs... |
| 04:15:10 | krazykit | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
| 04:15:24 | krazykit | 1.00.12 ought to work. |
| 04:15:59 | mokkurkalve | Somebody in this channel gave me a link to a page with a collection of sansa firmware... haven't got that link here as I'm at work... |
| 04:16:16 | advcomp2019 | l7__, if you want to use it on macs i would says 1.01.11 is the newest one that will work |
| 04:16:21 | l7__ | cool thanks. i also found many webpages that link to http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/File/Downloads/firmware/e200fw01.00.12.exe |
| 04:16:59 | l7__ | why would sandisk break mac support for later versions? that just seems even more bizarre. |
| 04:17:49 | mokkurkalve | Mouser_X: mokkurkalve got the plumbing on the outside ;D |
| 04:19:52 | mokkurkalve | krazykit: There was a server with a much larger collection than daniel.haxx |
| 04:20:23 | krazykit | mokkurkalve, yeah, on zephie or something. |
| 04:20:28 | l7__ | mokkurkalve: any idea which site that is? |
| 04:20:44 | ralphy | If I may ask a question that probably gets asked too often: What is the latest word for Zune Rockbox? |
| 04:20:57 | scorche | ralphy: there is no word |
| 04:21:16 | scorche | no one is actively working on it |
| 04:21:23 | ralphy | Ic. |
| 04:21:35 | l7__ | rockbox on zune would be nice, with it's wifi support and all. |
| 04:22:04 | ralphy | What are the difficulties, then? |
| 04:22:09 | krazykit | l7__, except for the fact that rockbox has no networking stack. |
| 04:22:11 | scorche | just because the zune supports wifi doesnt mean rockbox would |
| 04:22:24 | Llorean | ralphy: Same as they've always been. Nobody's gotten unsigned code to run. |
| 04:22:25 | scorche | ralphy: there is a whole thread about it in the new ports forum |
| 04:22:30 | krazykit | ralphy, closed hardware, encrypted firmware, no way to run unsigned code |
| 04:22:31 | Llorean | ralphy: The forum thread, despite not updating in forever, is up to date |
| 04:22:45 | l7__ | typical microsoft |
| 04:22:47 | scorche | is there a 5th? =P |
| 04:22:54 | ralphy | Thank you, all. |
| 04:23:17 | ralphy | I currently have Rockbox on my Sansa, and I like it a lot. |
| 04:23:23 | Mouser_X | Indeed. |
| 04:23:34 | l7__ | same here, it is pretty awesome |
| 04:25:12 | advcomp2019 | here is some firmwares.. http://files.zefie.com/PMP/sansa/e200/firmware/ |
| 04:26:16 | l7__ | hrm, i am curious, has anyone tried creating a disk image of their rockbox player and restoring that image at later point? |
| 04:27:38 | safetydan | woo, wasn't expecting to save that many bytes. I think that's a new personal record :) |
| 04:28:28 | mokkurkalve | advcomp2019: Yes. That's the site I used. |
| 04:28:29 | safetydan | if anyone has problems with Ogg Vorbis or Ogg Speex metadata after that commit please raise a bug in flyspray |
| 04:28:52 | krazykit | l7__, it'd work. not terribly useful, IMO. |
| 04:30:23 | Llorean | safetydan: That's a lot |
| 04:31:41 | Llorean | What makes it vary so much across targets though? |
| 04:32:50 | safetydan | Llorean, alignment. The USB structures have a large alignment constraint which makes things jump around a bit on those targets. |
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| 04:50:08 | l7__ | anyone know if it's possible for rockbox to see hidden directories? |
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| 04:50:30 | l7__ | i am amused as sandisk's clever attempt to hide it's music files |
| 04:50:37 | l7__ | s/as/at |
| 04:50:40 | Llorean | In "All" mode for File View you can see hidden folders |
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| 04:51:45 | l7__ | thanks, i will try that |
| 04:55:29 | mokkurkalve | I put my music files in a different directory. Still: It is amusing that the Sansa must hide it's "MUSIC" directory, but unhide the "tmp" directory... (???) |
| 04:56:07 | Mouser_X | Why does it even need a "tmp" directory? |
| 04:56:27 | Mouser_X | I guess it could use it for recordings? |
| 04:57:24 | mokkurkalve | There's no files in it. But the OF insist on having it. And unhiding it. Mysteries of the universe.... |
| 04:57:57 | Mouser_X | "On today's show, we'll show you how to make Plutonium out of household items." |
| 04:58:19 | mokkurkalve | There is a separate recording dir..... ??? |
| 04:59:18 | l7__ | haha, upside down rockbox is cool.. and slightly more ergonomic as well |
| 04:59:45 | Mouser_X | I'm liking the inverted Rettumbox theme. |
| 04:59:54 | Mouser_X | (I probably mispelled that.) |
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| 05:00:03 | mokkurkalve | Probably some verrrry wise desicion in Sansa HQ that just shoots over the heads of us lowly plebs.... |
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| 05:00:26 | Mouser_X | Though, I should modify it somewhat. It's a little too bright for my liking. |
| 05:00:39 | krazykit | mokkurkalve, probably the same people that decided to force the Hidden attribute on the music directory. |
| 05:02:01 | l7__ | what is the filename for the rettumbox theme? i don't see it in my player |
| 05:02:15 | Mouser_X | That's because it's not there. |
| 05:02:26 | mokkurkalve | Yes. Must be some hidden esoteric knowledge behind it.... |
| 05:02:30 | Mouser_X | You'd have to download it from http://www.rockbox-themes.org |
| 05:04:01 | l7__ | Chicago 12 is a nice font for the mac-like themes |
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| 05:30:39 | l7 | anyone know how far off offical USB support is for rockbox? |
| 05:30:55 | scorche | we dont give out etas |
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| 05:37:27 | l7 | ah okay |
| 05:38:10 | l7 | hrm, does anyone know if there is a way to turn off the blue LCDs on the e200 clickwheel through the software? they are rather annoying at night |
| 05:38:44 | scorche | the manual knows |
| 05:39:08 | * | JdGordon knows also |
| 05:39:37 | l7 | JdGordon: care to share your insight? |
| 05:40:02 | scorche | he is currently duct-taped...ask the manual... |
| 05:40:26 | DogBoy | pink duct-tape no doubt |
| 05:40:31 | JdGordon | just disable one of the GPIO bits.... cant rmember which exactly.... |
| 05:42:22 | l7 | hrm, i'm checking the rockbox pdf |
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| 05:42:45 | l7 | no results for LED or GPIO unless it is virtual LED, which it is probably not |
| 05:42:55 | Llorean | l7: Try "wheel" or "light" |
| 05:42:58 | JdGordon | read the manual!! |
| 05:43:30 | l7 | i'm searching! |
| 05:43:57 | scorche | although it wouldnt be a bad idea to just read the whole thing |
| 05:44:37 | l7 | yeah i probably will at somepoint |
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| 05:49:58 | l7 | ah it was under system, wheel light |
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| 05:50:11 | l7 | i thought it would have been under display or something |
| 05:50:33 | l7 | anyhow, i'm glad rockbox has a feature to turn off that damn light |
| 05:52:12 | l7 | i was looking for LED when i should have been looking for "wheel light" in the manual |
| 05:52:17 | mokkurkalve | actually, by looking at the online manual the System > Wheel light setting is not documented yet... |
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| 05:55:50 | mokkurkalve | In addition several settings not relevant for e200, like "Disk spindown", ARE documented....... |
| 05:56:50 | mokkurkalve | I should get around to learning LaTeX soon..... |
| 05:56:59 | scorche | which online manual is this? |
| 05:58:18 | mokkurkalve | scorche: Daily built manual for e200, "online" version... |
| 05:58:20 | scorche | hrm...i guess it isnt |
| 05:58:20 | perrikwp | Can someone give me wiki write access? My name is KeithPerri. |
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| 06:02:10 | * | Mouser_X needs to buckle down, and make some WPSs... |
| 06:02:23 | Mouser_X | (I want some with animation, just for kicks. |
| 06:02:26 | Mouser_X | ) |
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| 06:14:34 | samwichse | Mouser... if you make a WPS with 16 font and 100x100 album art on a black background that doesn't require a special build, that would be beyond awesome. |
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| 06:17:34 | perrikwp | Is there anyone here that could grant me wiki access? |
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| 06:19:37 | saratoga | KeithPerri now has wiki access |
| 06:19:53 | perrikwp | thanks |
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| 06:22:46 | Mouser_X | samwichse: I don't use album art. But, I would certainly make a WPS that doesn't require a custom build. |
| 06:23:27 | Mouser_X | On the album art, I could make it conditional. However, don't get your hopes up. I've been intending to make a WPS or a theme for at least 10 months now. |
| 06:24:19 | samwichse | hah |
| 06:24:31 | samwichse | that's fine, I was just wishing aloud anyway |
| 06:25:34 | samwichse | I might experiment with it myself if I wasn't defending in a week |
| 06:27:28 | Nydomos | are there any addons for doom to add music? |
| 06:28:50 | Llorean | Music isn't implemented yet, I think |
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| 07:28:52 | pradin | Just finished adding a search feature to the text_editor. How do I go about about contributing this modification to the main trunk? |
| 07:29:24 | safetydan | pradin, create a patch then add it to the tracker |
| 07:29:28 | scorche | place the patch up on the tracker and direct a couple willing devs to have a look at it |
| 07:30:01 | Mouser_X | A search feature would certainly be nice. |
| 07:30:33 | pradin | yes, it even supports wrapping |
| 07:30:58 | pradin | It would be even better if the text_editor could open files too. |
| 07:37:30 | pradin | Any particular diff parameters I must use when submitting a rockbox patch? |
| 07:37:48 | scorche | a standard svn diff will work |
| 07:38:08 | Llorean | Preferably diff from the main Rockbox source folder, not any subfolders |
| 07:38:10 | JdGordon | pradin: text_editor can open text files... |
| 07:38:36 | JdGordon | or do you mean a open files dialog from inside text editor? |
| 07:39:49 | pradin | JdGordon: Really? How can I open a file without a file dialog? |
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| 07:40:23 | JdGordon | pradin: ah yeah, you have to do it through the regular file browser.. |
| 07:41:12 | pradin | JdGordon: As far as I understand, that's a completely different application. That's actually viewer.c |
| 07:41:47 | JdGordon | browse to a text file, then open the context menu (usually hold down the select button) then go open with |
| 07:44:40 | JdGordon | pradin: im interested in your patch when its up |
| 07:46:01 | pradin | It has to be up soon. It's due for Monday in an open source class I'm taking. |
| 07:46:22 | JdGordon | ? |
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| 07:46:41 | pradin | At my university we have a class called open source practice. |
| 07:47:09 | pradin | Basically each student has to find an open source project and contribute in some way. So Rockbox was my pick. |
| 07:47:12 | JdGordon | they force evil communist OSS on you? :O |
| 07:47:24 | JdGordon | do you get better marks if its accepted? |
| 07:48:28 | pradin | I wish. |
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| 07:48:57 | pradin | In some ways the class is very bias as it's being taught by the founder of an open source company called VTK. |
| 07:49:58 | pradin | I think it's fun though. It's certainly more interesting than graph theory. |
| 07:50:11 | JdGordon | :) |
| 07:50:22 | Nemesis02 | Hey guys, got an e200 series Sansa player, what's the better build to go with for rockbox? i see there's a few builds, CPChan, the standard rockbox, and stuff. which would you guys find to be better? |
| 07:50:41 | Mouser_X | Standard Rockbox/. |
| 07:51:02 | JdGordon | coooeeey midkay |
| 07:51:11 | midkay | cooey JdGordon :) |
| 07:51:23 | phr | are there any docs about the sansa hardware other than what's on the e200-port page? |
| 07:51:39 | JdGordon | midkay: go pm |
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| 07:53:49 | pradin | Ok, so I loaded a sample text into the root directory of my Rockbox build. It's loaded into the viewer. However, I can't find an option to launch the text_editor from within the viewer. Maybe I should take a look at the source. |
| 07:54:27 | Llorean | Not from within viewer |
| 07:54:44 | Llorean | Highlight it in the file browser, and hold the select button down, choose "Open With..." and pick Text Editor there |
| 07:55:00 | pradin | Ah, I see. |
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| 07:56:44 | pradin | So a single quick select in the file browser launches some default action? And holding down the select button brings up a context menu? |
| 07:56:59 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 07:57:53 | JdGordon | apps/filetypes.c is where that magic happens if your interested |
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| 07:58:22 | pradin | Interesting...that would be very useful for my search feature. I simply added search to the line options menu which in turn calls kbd_input() but now I could have a search sub menu if the user holds down the selection button. |
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| 07:59:30 | pradin | What does everyone think? Then you could have search forward, search backward |
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| 08:00:37 | JdGordon | search in viewer would be more usefull... |
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| 08:04:11 | pradin | Where is viewer.c again? |
| 08:04:41 | JdGordon | apps/plugins |
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| 08:14:56 | pradin | I don't think search would be useful with the current state of the viewer as it doesn't support line highlighting. |
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| 08:17:53 | Mouser_X | I've been using the viewer to read eBooks (though, I have to convert them to TXT files first). |
| 08:18:17 | * | Crash91 dreams of PDF in rockbox one day |
| 08:18:28 | Crash91 | maybe in uhm...5 10 years? |
| 08:18:59 | JdGordon | search would be good enough to just get the text o the screen |
| 08:19:15 | JdGordon | it has eben requested a fwe times.. although the current code sucks for it |
| 08:19:18 | Mouser_X | True enough. |
| 08:19:41 | Crash91 | oh yeah, i have two questions |
| 08:20:08 | Crash91 | #1 Why doesnt the "Recently Added" work in the database? No code? Disabled? |
| 08:20:19 | JdGordon | e200? |
| 08:20:20 | Crash91 | #2 Wtf does "Caption Backlight" do |
| 08:20:23 | Crash91 | yes |
| 08:20:40 | JdGordon | i tihnk recently added requires dircache which isnt enabled for e200 |
| 08:20:53 | Mouser_X | A PDF viewer would be nice, just so that I could have the manual on my Gigabeat. However, I doubt that will happen anytime soon, if ever. An easy way to export the manual into a TXT file, or something, and then search that, would be darn handy. |
| 08:20:57 | JdGordon | and caption backlight turns the backlight on for a few seconds at the begining of new tracks |
| 08:21:17 | Crash91 | JdGordon: is it just a question of enabling it? |
| 08:21:22 | JdGordon | yes |
| 08:21:27 | JdGordon | what, which? |
| 08:21:45 | Crash91 | the dircache |
| 08:21:50 | JdGordon | no |
| 08:21:54 | Crash91 | Mouser_X: Dance with joy? http://www.a-pdf.com/text/ |
| 08:22:04 | JdGordon | dircache doesnt work mith multivolume (i.e the microsd card) |
| 08:22:17 | Crash91 | Mouser_X: I mean, really, a google is all it takes man |
| 08:22:26 | JdGordon | there is a patch which would allow it to work.. but Slasheri needs to look at it.... |
| 08:22:34 | Mouser_X | Are you sure? I recall them discussing it awhile ago, and that it worked, if you turned dircache on... Though, perhaps they took dircache out completely for Flash-based players. |
| 08:22:37 | Crash91 | JdGordon: Well, how about just on the int? |
| 08:22:38 | JdGordon | (or better yet.. remove the dircache dependancy) |
| 08:22:55 | Mouser_X | ^ Indeed. |
| 08:23:06 | JdGordon | if you dont use the micro sd slot at all then you can compile your own without support and with dircache.. |
| 08:24:10 | Crash91 | JdGordon: I use the microSD, but on that i dont have the whole /MUSIC/artist.... affair |
| 08:24:33 | JdGordon | its all or none... |
| 08:24:38 | Crash91 | and well i just find it easier to find new ones on the microSD |
| 08:24:52 | Crash91 | JdGordon: kk, well ill wait |
| 08:24:58 | JdGordon | im not 100% sure that is the bug though.... |
| 08:25:02 | JdGordon | not my area of the code |
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| 08:26:05 | Crash91 | anyone here speak German? |
| 08:26:13 | Crash91 | JdGordon: Code is not my area of code |
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| 08:28:14 | JdGordon | anyone know if linuxstb has got anwhere with viewports eyt? |
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| 08:50:35 | JdGordon | stupid phone reception in this room sucks |
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| 09:08:51 | amiconn | Nice savings by the ogg parser, btw :) |
| 09:19:25 | safetydan | amiconn, thanks. As for the warning, I miscounted the parameters so I was "fixing" the wrong thing anyway. Does seem like an odd warning. |
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| 11:16:19 | Bagder | I'll seriously consider rockbox for openmoko once their new phone is available |
| 11:22:48 | scorche | Bagder: re: your comments on your blog, everytime i have looked into the openmoko, i have been at a loss to see their main development as well =/ |
| 11:23:07 | Bagder | yeah, they seem to mostly talk and dream about what can be done in the future |
| 11:23:23 | * | scorche nods |
| 11:23:51 | Bagder | "it's a computer" ;-) |
| 11:24:51 | scorche | a paperweight without firmware...i would hate rockbox to be the first "complete" firmware on the device =P |
| 11:25:14 | Bagder | they have a linux system running on it, or at least they say so ;-) |
| 11:25:38 | scorche | does it at least perform the needed functions without a pretty interface? |
| 11:26:02 | Bagder | I don't think it has much of a pretty interface |
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| 11:26:12 | Bagder | the presenter said its mostly still command line |
| 11:26:29 | scorche | well, what i meant was, does it at least perform the needed functions (pretty interface or not) |
| 11:26:35 | Bagder | I don't know |
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| 11:31:13 | phr | anyone think it's a) feasible; b) a cool idea, to have active noise cancellation in (e.g.) the sansa players that have a built-in microphone? you'd use the mic to pick up the ambient noise, then add it out-of-phase to the headphone output.. |
| 11:32:31 | bertrik | phr: don't the microphones have to be very close to the location you want to silence? |
| 11:32:39 | safetydan | phr, people have talked about that before. There's some issues around latency and the fact that the sound at the microphone won't match the sound at your ears. |
| 11:32:54 | phr | bertrik, no, they only work at low frequencies which have long wavelengths |
| 11:33:23 | phr | safetydan, maybe they couldn't work as well as the units that have microphones built directly into the earcups, but there are some other ones where the mic is in an external box |
| 11:33:47 | phr | and the sansa c240 is small enough that you could mount it on top of a headphone headband, so it would be a few inches away from each ear... |
| 11:33:55 | scorche | and the sansa internal mic is far from decent |
| 11:34:03 | phr | scorche, probably true :) |
| 11:34:16 | phr | it only has to get low frequencies though |
| 11:34:24 | phr | and can be equalized in the software |
| 11:34:49 | phr | as you might have guessed i just bought a bunch of those c240's from woot :) |
| 11:35:13 | scorche | to avoid safetydan repeating himself on some things: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6014.0 |
| 11:35:55 | Bagder | scorche: "The latest Qtopia snapshot can now be successfully used to make and receive calls, to send and receive SMS and use Contacts for both." |
| 11:36:13 | Bagder | on openmoko that is |
| 11:36:18 | safetydan | phr, this has been raised before: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7308 |
| 11:36:26 | phr | right, 1) i don't see why there needs to be 100 ms of latency; 2) noise cancellation even in the expensive units doesn't work worth squat at 1 khz, it works at 100 hz and below, so the wavelength is 10+ feet |
| 11:36:29 | scorche | Bagder: it really is a shame they didnt have a working device sitting there for you to play with |
| 11:36:44 | Bagder | yes, it seemed like a strange thing to me |
| 11:36:51 | Bagder | he claimed they were bricked from development |
| 11:37:12 | scorche | it seems very suspicious... |
| 11:37:19 | Bagder | I didn't want to argue about it, but it seems like bricking should be very unusual even under development |
| 11:37:58 | Bagder | but he was not the most tech savy guy around |
| 11:38:02 | phr | safetydan, thanks, i know that sony is making a walkman with noise cancellation, and i'm not too concerned about hard disk players these days with flash costing under 10 bucks a gb |
| 11:39:26 | phr | the openmoko phone can brick ? yikes. |
| 11:39:39 | scorche | ...if it works |
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| 11:40:46 | Bagder | phr: well, they offer jtag stuff for it so no, having the dev kit you can always restore a fresh new bootloader |
| 11:41:24 | safetydan | phr, code speaks louder than speculation, so prove us wrong :) |
| 11:42:20 | Bagder | and since this guy wasn't that techy, I doubt he messes with the bootloader and thus I doubt he actually bricks his devices... |
| 11:44:03 | phr | safetydan, yeah, i just got these c240's and they crash my linux box as soon as i connect the usb port, i'll reflash them tomorrow and then try to load rockbox before attempting to hack the code :) |
| 11:44:15 | phr | bagder, ah, that makes sense |
| 11:45:00 | bertrik | Does anyone else see a way too high battery voltage when the charger is plugged in? |
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| 11:49:23 | bertrik | on my e200 there are two ADC channels that show basically the same voltage, but one of them (BVDD) get abnormally high when charging and the other stays relatively normal |
| 11:49:48 | bertrik | the other one is currently called ADC_RTCSUPP |
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| 12:18:24 | phr | does the e200 have a real rtc that rockbox can access? i didn't notice anything in the c240 setup menus about setting a clock |
| 12:18:47 | phr | is there any good description of the hardware on the rockbox site? |
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| 12:19:24 | hcs | phr: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 12:19:26 | hcs | yes, it has an rtc |
| 12:19:55 | phr | wow thanks for that url |
| 12:20:12 | phr | 32mb of ram??!!!! |
| 12:20:28 | Bagder | oh yes |
| 12:20:39 | phr | zomg |
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| 12:23:14 | phr | bagder with that much ram how would you feel about putting a script interpreter in, and moving most of the ui stuff to it? also maybe even a tcp stack, so that it can be accessed with a web browser, and an eventual sansa connect port would be able to swap files with other units by wifi |
| 12:23:33 | hcs | whoa |
| 12:23:45 | Bagder | haha |
| 12:24:04 | Bagder | phr: most targets will use the majority of their memory for audio buffering and they want to keep doing that |
| 12:24:16 | phr | i mean, i read that page about not putting in malloc/free in order to save a few bytes by using static allocation, then read that the thing has 32mb? |
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| 12:24:22 | phr | yeah i understand about the buffering for hard disc players |
| 12:24:27 | phr | is it an issue for flash players? |
| 12:24:35 | Bagder | not as much, no |
| 12:24:53 | Bagder | I'm just saying that it'd have to be platform-specific if you want to spend lots of ram |
| 12:26:00 | phr | i see, yeah that makes sense, some ppl are still using hard discs. though with 32mb, using 0.5mb of it for stuff like that would be pretty tolerable i'd hope. |
| 12:26:54 | phr | anyway i've browsed the svn a little bit but haven't tried downloading or compiling anything yet, so it's too early, i just got these players |
| 12:27:07 | phr | i bought 3 of them figuring i'd brick at least one, but it looks like even that isn't such a problem |
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| 12:27:22 | Bagder | you'll need to try hard in order to brick them ;-) |
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| 12:34:10 | phr | how hard is it in general to figure out enough about a player to do a port? the frontier lab nex 3 is the only player i really like... |
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| 13:06:00 | Bagder | http://www.roadlesstravelled.com.au/rockbox-free-mp3-player-upgrade-better-sound-games-themes/ |
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| 13:07:47 | hcs | looks good, at a glance |
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| 13:08:15 | Bagder | I agree |
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| 13:10:48 | preglow | deed |
| 13:11:07 | preglow | though they didn't use the words "work of art" for the eq!!11 |
| 13:11:29 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 13:11:29 | preglow | i'll have to mail about that |
| 13:11:49 | preglow | perhaps i should just include it in the title bar |
| 13:12:24 | hcs | huh? |
| 13:13:13 | Bagder | hcs: you must've missed the raving user in the forum ;-) |
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| 13:14:21 | Bagder | but that also includes the occasional and rare gems ;-) |
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| 14:07:09 | preglow | Lear: around? |
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| 14:15:50 | Lear | Yep |
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| 14:21:06 | preglow | want to have a faad merge patch? |
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| 14:21:13 | preglow | i can't make ps files work |
| 14:21:26 | preglow | don't really have any ps files that actually sound good either, do you know of an encoder that can produce them? |
| 14:22:13 | Lear | The Nero encoder and Winamp. |
| 14:22:24 | Lear | But I can take a look at the patch. |
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| 14:23:11 | preglow | Lear: the nero encoder produces aacv2 files that just sound crap here |
| 14:23:16 | preglow | the moment ps turns on, it sounds horrible |
| 14:23:44 | Lear | The ones I've made sound fine... |
| 14:23:58 | preglow | mine sound thin, they lack everything but the midrange |
| 14:24:01 | preglow | and in a really noticable way |
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| 14:24:22 | Lear | And that's not when using Rockbox with the new faad? :) |
| 14:24:41 | preglow | that's using all decoders i know of |
| 14:25:11 | Lear | Not sure I've tested with PS though... |
| 14:25:47 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/faad-sync.diff |
| 14:26:27 | Lear | Ok, I'll see if I can make a PS file first though. |
| 14:27:41 | preglow | i've got some if you want... |
| 14:31:28 | Lear | Got one now, that sounds fine in Foobar. Sounds surprisingly good, considering it is 23 kbps... |
| 14:31:46 | preglow | encoded with the nero thing? |
| 14:32:51 | Lear | Yep. Version from Feb 12. |
| 14:33:15 | preglow | i only get files that sound like they're bandpassed |
| 14:33:27 | preglow | mine's from aug 6 |
| 14:33:34 | preglow | perhaps the newer ones do buggy ps |
| 14:34:06 | Lear | I've heard there was some quality issue with a newer version, but I'm not sure what. |
| 14:34:23 | preglow | seems like a weird thing to overlook |
| 14:36:25 | Lear | Btw, tried to play it in Rockbox with SBR/PS disabled, but got a crash in dsp.c... |
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| 14:36:42 | Lear | That's in the sim too... |
| 14:37:54 | preglow | you disabled sbr and ps in faad? |
| 14:38:06 | Lear | Hm, made a dry-run on the patch, got a few rejected hunks. |
| 14:38:13 | preglow | you sure the aac plug reports the correct sample rate in that case? |
| 14:38:14 | Lear | Yes. |
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| 14:38:31 | preglow | aac.c probably reports 44100 in that case, but all you get is 22050 |
| 14:38:38 | Lear | I disabled it in the metadata reader too. |
| 14:38:49 | preglow | mok, but i still doubt it's a dsp.c issue |
| 14:38:59 | preglow | rejected hunks? |
| 14:39:05 | preglow | perhaps i need to sync up... |
| 14:39:28 | preglow | in cfft.c ? |
| 14:39:43 | Lear | Yes, pulse.c and sbr_dct.c. That's on trunk, no patches at all. |
| 14:39:48 | preglow | ehh |
| 14:39:58 | preglow | how's that possible, exactly? |
| 14:40:11 | preglow | onl think i touched in those are the headers... |
| 14:40:18 | preglow | at least the pulse.c one |
| 14:40:53 | preglow | well, i just made a new one, faad-sync2.diff, there should be no differences, but i've synced now |
| 14:41:23 | preglow | uploaded there |
| 14:42:01 | Lear | It rejects where in the license header, so trivial to fix... |
| 14:43:55 | preglow | but why... |
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| 14:44:45 | preglow | btw, i can't believe the amount of temp storage this codec needs, there's got to be a away to decode using less |
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| 14:50:28 | Lear | He, someone's says he found a bug in faad's low power SBR mode. Wonder how it made it even build... :) |
| 14:52:48 | preglow | it doesnt |
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| 14:53:34 | Lear | You must have a buggy encoder. So far, the file sounds just like in Foobar... |
| 14:53:50 | preglow | probably do, then |
| 14:54:07 | preglow | if you're talking about the missing function/macro bug in faad low power sbr, i've been talking to the faad coder about it |
| 14:54:22 | Lear | That's in the sim though, haven't tested on any target yet. |
| 14:54:23 | preglow | he said that the lower code is undermaintained and not really that much faster than the usual sbr decoder anyway |
| 14:54:52 | preglow | another aac decoder would be sweet... |
| 14:55:16 | preglow | the ffmpeg one is working well enough now, i think, but it's lc only |
| 14:55:27 | ciacon | hi all.. I have a problem with a 4gen u2 ipod... I went to a mate the other day to update the apple-firmware with the newest itunes... i then spotted that I had forgotten my ac adapter @ home... by the time I was home (3h later) it still was asking for the mains, so I plugged it up... sadly there has been no chance in the last 24h (I had the feeling that it was still charging and then would update...)... can anyone give me a hint or so? |
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| 15:00:48 | ciacon | preglow: how can I force my ipod into disk-mode? |
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| 15:07:20 | nardul | Afternoon |
| 15:08:10 | ciacon | hi |
| 15:09:07 | nardul | Can anyone help me with ipod's and disk mode? When i copy items to it through nautilus, it seems it puts it int he cache instead of waiting for it to write to the hdd, so files don't get written. Is there a way to make it write it to the harddrive or to see if there's anything else to be written? |
| 15:09:30 | nardul | might be the wrong channel here though |
| 15:09:48 | ciacon | nardul: I am also having probs with my disk-mode |
| 15:10:42 | nardul | It's not so much problems. But i transfer alot of things to my ipod daily, i started with audiobooks. And i got corrupt files so i had to do a fsck |
| 15:10:54 | nardul | Because it queued it. |
| 15:10:58 | nardul | ciacon, What's your problem? |
| 15:11:34 | ciacon | nardul: I bricked my ipod (as it seems to me) |
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| 15:12:02 | ciacon | nardul: I was wondering how I can force an ipod into disk-mode @ bootup |
| 15:12:05 | nardul | ciacon, lol. Itunes recovery doesn't work? |
| 15:12:24 | preglow | ciacon: keep play and select pressed while rebooting |
| 15:12:29 | preglow | afaik |
| 15:12:29 | nardul | ciacon, as soon as you turn it on, poress |
| 15:12:32 | nardul | yes |
| 15:12:37 | nardul | That's what i was gonna write |
| 15:12:43 | preglow | good :) |
| 15:12:54 | nardul | I'm just a slow typer. I should turn on some light |
| 15:13:22 | ciacon | well - I tried that - it only reboots the ipod again (which only shows me the "plug ac into wall" logo) |
| 15:14:51 | nardul | ciacon, Reboots again? if you press "select and menu" it reboots. Right after that did you try "select play"? And see if you can boot into the original firmware, just switch on hold just after rebooting it. |
| 15:16:04 | ciacon | nardul: I updated the firmware @ a freinds house yesterday... and I had forgotten my ac-adapter @ home... now I suppose what happened is, that the batter went dead, by the time i arrived home 3h later... |
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| 15:18:23 | nardul | cursed xchat |
| 15:18:53 | ciacon | nardul: do you know how I can enter the ipod own diagnostics? |
| 15:19:23 | nardul | eh? never heard of own diagnostics, so no i guess. Sorry. |
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| 15:23:24 | ciacon | is there a guied, how to manually update ipod from linux? |
| 15:23:39 | ciacon | @ nardul & preglow |
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| 15:27:23 | nardul | hmm, ciacon Update? As in firmware? |
| 15:28:11 | ciacon | nardul: yes |
| 15:28:54 | nardul | hmm |
| 15:29:27 | nardul | I really don't know. Honestly i didn't know you could upgrade the firmware. But alas i would imagine it being itunes only. |
| 15:32:02 | jott | ciacon: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Update_iPod_Firmware |
| 15:32:16 | nardul | ohhhh, awesome! Thanks. |
| 15:32:36 | ciacon | thanks jott - reading up @ top - any hints? |
| 15:35:47 | jott | hm don't know.. check if your partition table is correct and the fat32 partition has no errors... |
| 15:36:19 | ciacon | jott: reading through the guide I bricked my ipod... any hope other than apple?? |
| 15:37:22 | jott | if you did not touch the flash it's not likely that you bricked it.. |
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| 15:38:59 | ciacon | jott: I did a restore on a windows box and had forgotten that ac @ home.. I suppose it failed in the upgrade.. I'm really lost now =( |
| 15:41:16 | jott | ciacon: just try to follow the above howto if you do not have itunes.. so fix partition table, format fat32, dd new firmware |
| 15:42:20 | ciacon | jott: my prob is, that I can't even start it into disk-mode - hence lsusb shows up no ipod and cat /proc/partitions no relevant partitions... |
| 15:46:39 | nardul | The firmware update for the ipod. Is it just the apple firmware or are there deeper more interesting things i cold use even though i'm using rockbox? |
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| 15:49:02 | jott | nardul: besides modding the apple firmware and using ipodlinux i guess rockbox is the most interesting to play around with ;) |
| 15:51:02 | nardul | hehe |
| 15:51:23 | nardul | jott, But if i upgrade the firmware will it do me any good, if i never use the original apple OS ? |
| 15:51:33 | nardul | apple OS on the IPOD that is. |
| 15:51:47 | jott | nardul: no.. i guess not :) |
| 15:52:32 | nardul | okay then. |
| 15:52:35 | nardul | I won't bother. |
| 15:55:49 | nardul | Speaking of which. I could use more battery life :( |
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| 15:57:01 | preglow | nardul: sure, the rom part might be updated |
| 15:57:14 | preglow | but that mostly just matters on nanos |
| 15:58:04 | nardul | okay. I'm just not sure what it does. The firmware upgrade that is. |
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| 16:04:28 | jott | preglow: updating under linux with dd would not update the rom though ;) |
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| 16:43:01 | preglow | rockbox bar night? :> |
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| 16:48:51 | * | Soap wishes he was in Egypt, so he could drink Stella |
| 16:49:01 | preglow | stella :/ |
| 16:49:19 | Crash91 | naah my dad says stell sucks |
| 16:49:22 | Crash91 | stella* |
| 16:49:37 | Crash91 | he prefers "saqqara" its i local brand i think |
| 16:49:53 | Crash91 | well i would talk about taste but im not sure if thats legal in freenode ;) |
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| 17:00:25 | preglow | it is in #rockbox... |
| 17:00:35 | preglow | i'm kinda bored by light lagers |
| 17:00:38 | preglow | in any shape |
| 17:03:57 | Soap | sorry about wrong channel |
| 17:04:26 | Rincewind | hi soap |
| 17:04:30 | Soap | hi |
| 17:04:52 | Rincewind | did you have a good journey back to heidelberg? |
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| 17:08:28 | Soap | aye - smooth as silk, then I turned around and came back to Karlsruhe this morning. |
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| 18:19:31 | preglow | Lear: did you try on target? |
| 18:19:45 | Lear | No, haven't done that yet... |
| 18:21:30 | preglow | works fine on sim here |
| 18:21:31 | preglow | not on target |
| 18:21:38 | preglow | i suspect a stack issue, but i can't find any suspects... |
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| 18:22:49 | Lear | What target did you try? |
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| 18:25:36 | preglow | h120 |
| 18:26:31 | Lear | Same on arm, at least for the sbr+ps file. Plain lc was fine. |
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| 18:32:32 | Lear | I think it was pretty close last time, so just making a few more things static could do the trick (e.g., in sbr_qmf.c and ps_dec.c). |
| 18:37:46 | Lear | Hacking the generated code in sbr_dct.c could perhaps do the trick... |
| 18:39:54 | Lear | It is called from sbr_qmf.c... |
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| 18:50:19 | Lear | Hm, changed DST4_32 and DCT4_32, now it just freezes, no data abort... |
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| 19:13:02 | SpeedEBikes | Does anybody know who implemented party mode? I use it a lot but have numerous issues with it and would like to make changes. But before I start churning out patches I thought a bit of discussion with the original author(s) would be useful. If no one knows, is there a straight forward way using SVN to track down the author(s) of various bits of code? |
| 19:14:06 | dan_a | SpeedEBikes: "svn annotate <filename>" should help, if I recall correctly - it will say who wrote each line of code and which revision it was in |
| 19:14:44 | SpeedEBikes | Thanks! I'll try it. |
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| 19:19:15 | preglow | Lear: yeah, it seems to reuse some of the qmf data from sbr |
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| 19:20:04 | Nico_P | SpeedEBikes: it was Bagder IIRC |
| 19:20:59 | preglow | zagor, afaik |
| 19:22:57 | * | Nico_P is about to commit pictureflow :) |
| 19:23:39 | preglow | as a plugin? |
| 19:25:02 | l7 | hrm, bookmarks on the e200 rockbox seem buggy... they require you select them twice to play |
| 19:26:07 | Nico_P | preglow: yes |
| 19:26:23 | SpeedEBikes | Nico, I see a Bagder in the users box of this channel, but the name is currently grayed out. I'm guessing that means he's currently away although I'm new to using IRC and the Chatzilla client I'm using. |
| 19:26:50 | petur | yes he's away |
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| 19:41:26 | SpeedEBikes | l7: I'm using "Recent Bookmarks" on a build from a couple days ago on my Sansa e200 and a single press is sufficient to load one |
| 19:47:27 | Lear | There may be problem like that if you try to start a bookmark while something is playing. |
| 19:48:20 | Nico_P | pictureflow is committed ! |
| 19:48:40 | hcs | May god forgive us. |
| 19:49:01 | Nico_P | it's a plugin, don't worry ;) |
| 19:58:25 | Nico_P | meh, I don't understand the red for the player |
| 19:59:57 | jott | i would be interested in perfomance on iriver and sansa devices with pictureflow - so just test it ;) |
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| 20:00:45 | jott | ah.. and turn on db in ram and directory cache when trying pictureflow.. |
| 20:03:06 | preglow | does it only do colour devices? i assume so |
| 20:03:22 | preglow | might be cool to check out how it works with the grayscale lib, though... |
| 20:03:40 | jott | i guess this would need some tweaking.. |
| 20:04:17 | petur | Nico_P: maybe it is the albumart include in plugin.h? |
| 20:04:43 | jott | but i wonder which grayscale device has sufficient cpu power :) |
| 20:04:48 | Nico_P | petur: maybe, I'll check |
| 20:05:15 | preglow | who knows, the coldfire based ones are fairly powerful |
| 20:05:22 | preglow | but i don't really know how much cpu grayscale itself needs |
| 20:06:22 | jott | yeah.. anyway it should be fairly simple to integrate as there are not many place where direct access to the framebuffer takes place.. |
| 20:10:17 | karashata | works alright on my 20GB H10, though apparently my "cover.bmp" album art doesn't get loaded so all I get are grey boxes with question marks |
| 20:11:00 | XavierGr | petur: now that there is a basic implementation of the USB stack in SVN, do you have any plans for USB OTG? |
| 20:11:06 | karashata | and holding the scroll buttons for around 20 seconds or so will cause the music to start skipping a little |
| 20:11:57 | jott | Nico_P: is this may due to the buffering api? |
| 20:12:31 | Nico_P | it seems petur was right |
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| 20:13:26 | Nico_P | karashata: if music is playing maybe you don't have enough free buffer space to store the pics |
| 20:14:16 | karashata | I suspect it's more likely the PCM buffer draining because the buffer can't keep up due to the CPU power needed to scroll through the art |
| 20:14:41 | jott | after all it's still a demo and not perfect :) |
| 20:14:47 | SpeedEBikes | when attempting to use SVN today I'm currently getting |
| 20:14:48 | SpeedEBikes | svn: Unknown hostname 'svn.rockbox.org' |
| 20:14:50 | SpeedEBikes | Am I likely doing something stupid or is it possible the server is down? |
| 20:15:01 | Nico_P | karashata: I mean that it's probably the reason why you see no pics |
| 20:15:09 | jott | karashata: well if the audio buffer is full there is no space for the pics.. |
| 20:15:13 | Nico_P | unless all your cover bitmaps are more than 100x100 |
| 20:15:30 | karashata | my bitmaps are 50x50, actually |
| 20:15:45 | Nico_P | karashata: then try using it with playback stopped |
| 20:15:45 | petur | XavierGr: h300 might be obsolete by the time I get to it :( |
| 20:15:47 | karashata | and I'm listening to SPCs so there's no way my buffer's anywhere near full |
| 20:15:51 | Nico_P | ah |
| 20:16:25 | Nico_P | maybe you have too much buffered files, though |
| 20:17:03 | karashata | 26 buffered files currently |
| 20:17:09 | Nico_P | hmm |
| 20:17:17 | karashata | according to the track count on the buffering debug screen |
| 20:17:26 | Nico_P | what's the handle count? |
| 20:17:38 | karashata | 64 |
| 20:18:04 | Nico_P | so I don't see the problem... what kind of AA names do you have? only cover.bmp? |
| 20:18:43 | preglow | can album art be any size for pictureview to be used? |
| 20:18:48 | karashata | yeah, renamed from cover.50x50.bmp since the Cabbie 2.0 uses 56x56 cover art by default for my player and I didn't want to redo all my art |
| 20:18:48 | preglow | pictureflow... |
| 20:19:15 | Nico_P | preglow: max is 100x100 but it's rather arbitrary |
| 20:19:22 | karashata | I can rename a few to album names and see if that makes a difference |
| 20:19:26 | Nico_P | it's just a #define |
| 20:19:41 | Nico_P | karashata: cover.bmp and cover.100x100.bmp should be fine |
| 20:21:04 | preglow | Nico_P: that does sound arbitrary indeed... what about targets that generally have bigger cover art than that? |
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| 20:21:33 | Nico_P | preglow: we could change the #define |
| 20:21:52 | preglow | hrmph, i want pic resizing in the core :/ |
| 20:23:15 | Nico_P | write it :) |
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| 20:23:53 | karashata | bah, no change, I still don't get any art loaded with the file name the same as the album name |
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| 20:24:50 | karashata | though I'm updating the database again to see if it needs to rescan to see the new files |
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| 20:25:52 | Jeton | Nico_P: is the Picture Flow plugin working? I have the latest build, but it's not in the list. |
| 20:28:32 | jott | karashata: delete the rocks/demos/pictureflow directory.. |
| 20:28:37 | jott | or atleast the ready file in it.. |
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| 20:29:08 | jott | there is no code yet to force a re-creation of the cache |
| 20:29:35 | f00f | any updates on USB file transffer support? |
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| 20:30:02 | Nico_P | Jeton: what player? it should be in the demos |
| 20:30:11 | Jeton | Sansa e250 |
| 20:30:16 | jott | Jeton: it was just commited a few minutes ago.. |
| 20:30:26 | jott | maybe you need to svn up again |
| 20:30:29 | Jeton | oh |
| 20:30:31 | Jeton | ok |
| 20:30:49 | * | Nico_P is off for a while |
| 20:31:04 | fr0y0 | hey :> if i install rockbox on my X5, what will happen to all the fancy sound enhancements the original firmware has? (BBE and so on...) |
| 20:31:19 | fr0y0 | like.. is there something similar in rockbox? |
| 20:31:38 | * | karashata sighs |
| 20:31:54 | preglow | fr0y0: they will be there, but not in rockbox |
| 20:32:02 | karashata | no change, album art named after the album or not, music playing or not, nothing shows up for me |
| 20:32:05 | preglow | fr0y0: rockbox has sound enhancement stuff, but nothing like that |
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| 20:32:16 | preglow | primarily because their workings are secret |
| 20:32:25 | karashata | maybe it's the number of albums I have or something... |
| 20:32:25 | fr0y0 | i see |
| 20:32:27 | jott | karashata: maybe you can try to the the MAX_IMG_HEIGH/_WIDTH to your 50 tough i doubt this owuld help.. :/ |
| 20:32:46 | jott | ..set.. |
| 20:33:10 | karashata | unfortunately I'm no good with coding and I don't have a dev environment set up |
| 20:33:10 | fr0y0 | i've had rockbox on my 1st gen nano a while ago and i wasn't even able to use the EQ cause the sound would skip |
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| 20:33:25 | fr0y0 | so i don't know if there have been any improvements |
| 20:34:26 | Jeton | re: Picture Flow. it says could not load the empty slide. |
| 20:34:31 | Jeton | any idea? |
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| 20:35:04 | jott | Jeton: hm.. is your device full to the last byte?! :) |
| 20:35:25 | karashata | doesn't really matter to me anyway if it works or not, but if I'm not the only one who's having issues with it... |
| 20:35:25 | Jeton | i have some 400MB free |
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| 20:35:59 | jott | yeah its the initial release, so just tested by me with ipod 5.5g and Nico_P with gigabeat f.. |
| 20:36:28 | jott | but it would be nice to fix all issues.. most of them should hopefully be trivial |
| 20:37:05 | karashata | well, I suppose I can drop a 100x100 image or two on there and see if it's being picky about size |
| 20:37:18 | karashata | if that doesn't work then I'm definitely stumped |
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| 20:37:32 | jott | Jeton: did you have music playing? there might be problems if you do so atm.. |
| 20:37:41 | Jeton | yes i have |
| 20:37:55 | Jeton | i'm adding a 100x100 and a 75x75 album art |
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| 20:38:01 | Jeton | i had one with 50x50px |
| 20:38:08 | Jeton | will try now, without music. |
| 20:38:13 | jott | ok i'll convert my aa to 50x50 and see what happens :) |
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| 20:41:09 | Jeton | uhm, it sorta works |
| 20:41:18 | Jeton | i have an image with a "?" sign now |
| 20:41:22 | Jeton | that's reflected . |
| 20:41:36 | Jeton | pressing any button doesn't change anything. |
| 20:41:43 | Jeton | scrollwheel. |
| 20:42:41 | jott | do you use the db? because it requires the db for getting the album names |
| 20:43:13 | Jeton | i do |
| 20:43:14 | Jeton | yes |
| 20:43:41 | karashata | still nothing even with 100x100 bitmaps |
| 20:43:59 | jott | mh yeah it works with 50x50 bitmaps here .. |
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| 20:44:05 | jott | strange.. |
| 20:44:38 | jott | could you look in the .rockbox/rocks/demos/pictureflow/ folder please? |
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| 20:44:49 | Jeton | maybe Sansa isn't that "powerful" to handle the effect? |
| 20:45:14 | jott | Jeton: no.. this should not be the problem.. it would just make it slow... |
| 20:45:26 | jott | how much ram do the sansa have? |
| 20:45:32 | Jeton | btw, it works great on an ipod it seems : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enPZRQ9sttw |
| 20:45:44 | jott | thats my video :) |
| 20:45:45 | Jeton | jott: i don't know :( |
| 20:45:48 | Jeton | oh |
| 20:45:49 | Jeton | LOL |
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| 20:46:10 | Jeton | so you're the guy who did this :D COOL. |
| 20:46:23 | karashata | there's an emptyslide.pfraw and a file named ready in the pictureflow folder |
| 20:46:47 | jott | karashata: hmm.. delete the "ready" again.. and restart it.. |
| 20:46:52 | karashata | okay |
| 20:47:03 | jott | the ready file currently marks a "successful" generation of the cached album arts.. |
| 20:47:12 | Jeton | okay, it started working now. |
| 20:47:19 | Jeton | i left my sansa for a minute down. |
| 20:47:29 | Jeton | just rotated the scrollwheel and it works. |
| 20:47:30 | jott | ah so it's just super slow?! :P |
| 20:47:37 | karashata | well, this looks promising |
| 20:47:39 | Jeton | no :D |
| 20:47:46 | Jeton | it's actually very smooooooth. |
| 20:47:49 | karashata | it's "preparing album artwork" |
| 20:48:10 | Jeton | ah, man. Another reason to love rockbox! |
| 20:48:17 | Jeton | thank you for this. |
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| 20:48:52 | Jeton | now if only Rockbox used JPEG for Album Art... ;) |
| 20:48:56 | * | karashata waits... and waits... |
| 20:48:57 | jott | heh yeah we will steadily improve this i guess.. atleast to the point that you can actually select a track and play it ;) |
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| 20:49:05 | jott | karashata: yeah this can take some time.. |
| 20:49:09 | karashata | I know |
| 20:49:17 | karashata | I have a *lot* of albums to go through |
| 20:49:28 | karashata | and done, it's all there now! |
| 20:49:33 | jott | sweet |
| 20:49:42 | Jeton | jott: that would be really great. |
| 20:49:47 | karashata | tiny though, heh |
| 20:50:00 | karashata | 50x50 seems small when there isn't WPS built around it |
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| 20:50:08 | jott | karashata: yeah it's currenty assuming you have 100x100.. |
| 20:50:16 | jott | this needs to be improved at some point.. |
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| 20:50:30 | karashata | heh, well at least it's working properly now |
| 20:50:36 | jott | indeed :) |
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| 20:50:51 | karashata | though now I know how many albums I need to make covers for |
| 20:50:55 | karashata | all my SPC albums |
| 20:50:59 | jott | heh ;) |
| 20:51:32 | karashata | though, I'll deal with those later |
| 20:51:44 | karashata | I still have a whole bunch to sort through first |
| 20:51:52 | karashata | in any case, nice work! |
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| 20:53:22 | ravve | oh wow at that cover flow! |
| 20:55:40 | ravve | Is it available in the svn? |
| 20:55:48 | Jeton | yup |
| 20:55:57 | ravve | Testing on the X5. |
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| 20:57:52 | ravve | ugh, I need a better rockbox compile station :/ |
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| 21:01:00 | Henry_ | hey on a video ipod 5g, is there a way to switch back to the reg. ipod mode |
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| 21:04:10 | SpeedEBikes | anybody know how robust the svn protocol is? I'm currently on a WiFi link and getting about 95% packet loss. My browser & chat are workiing ok, but I can't use svn. Is that likely due to my poor connection? |
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| 21:07:19 | PaulJam | Hi, does the addition of the coverflow demo require a rebuild of the database? |
| 21:08:27 | Llorean | PaulJam: Is it not working for you? |
| 21:08:51 | jott | PaulJam: no.. |
| 21:09:15 | PaulJam | i haven't tried yet, i was just wondering if i should export runtimestats before updating |
| 21:10:10 | PaulJam | jott: thanks |
| 21:10:10 | jott | PaulJam: no, only "core" changes where made to find_albumart and methods exposed in the plugin api... the rest is plugin based |
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| 21:14:43 | f00f | any updates on USB file transffer support? |
| 21:15:17 | Llorean | f00f: When something changes, it'll be in the changelog |
| 21:17:27 | Falen | Is there any way to brick your sansa e250, so it's forced to downgrade? |
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| 21:18:48 | Falen | I just got this bug that makes the original firmware super-slow, and the only way to fix it is to brick the player (which was possible with the old ReverseBL patch, but now it's gone) |
| 21:19:54 | Llorean | Um, "Brick" means unrecoverable... |
| 21:20:12 | Falen | Almost-brick |
| 21:20:16 | Llorean | So I don't understand what you're talking about when you say "bricking" it fixes something. I can only assume you're using the term to refer to forcing it into recovery or manufacturing mode. |
| 21:20:21 | Llorean | Which can both be done with key combinations. |
| 21:20:56 | Falen | Yeah. But going into recovery mode and make it go to the old firmware doesn't fix the problem for some reason |
| 21:21:02 | Llorean | Considering we don't provide support for the original firmware here, though, you might want to contact Sandisk about bugs in their Softawre. |
| 21:21:04 | Llorean | software |
| 21:23:45 | Falen | Well, generally it's not a bug, and it often comes after you use the rockbox bootloader installer |
| 21:24:13 | Llorean | If it's not a bug, what would you call it? |
| 21:24:32 | Llorean | And you said that restoring the original firmware with Recovery Mode doesn't make it go away. |
| 21:24:41 | Llorean | Suggesting rather strongly that it's not dependent on the presence of anything Rockbox. |
| 21:24:53 | Falen | Bad coding? All the new sansa firmware versions are exactly that slow |
| 21:25:21 | Llorean | If bad coding makes it not work how it's supposed to work, isn't that kinda the definition of a bug? |
| 21:25:39 | Llorean | Either way, does it or does it not continue to work slow after you use recovery mode to put a clean original firmware on your device? |
| 21:26:29 | Falen | It continues to be slow when I put in a original firmware in the recovery mode |
| 21:27:24 | Llorean | And at that point none of our code is on it. |
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| 21:28:30 | Falen | No, it's probably not a rockbox-related problem, I just thought I ask here to see if anybody knows a solution |
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| 21:30:27 | Llorean | Falen: This is #Rockbox, and the guidelines state that it's for rockbox related questions. |
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| 21:31:21 | Llorean | It's not that I don't sympathize with your problems, but the channel is logged, and many of us read them to see what's happened when we're not around. If it became a general player support channel for all the players we run on, it'd become useless for our purposes. |
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| 21:32:35 | Falen | I came here to see if the digerati guy at the forums was online, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9792.0 |
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| 21:33:56 | bobrules | how do I access the new cover flow feature? |
| 21:33:56 | preglow | my oh my, the database update is slow on nano |
| 21:34:07 | Llorean | Falen: If you needed to contact him, PM him in the forums... |
| 21:34:17 | Llorean | preglow: Slower than other iPods? |
| 21:34:24 | preglow | well, it does one file per second |
| 21:34:29 | preglow | i don't have nay other ipods |
| 21:34:43 | Llorean | One per second seems very on the slow side. |
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| 21:34:49 | preglow | no shit |
| 21:35:09 | Llorean | That's slower than it should be. |
| 21:35:14 | Llorean | Well.. used to be. |
| 21:36:07 | bobrules | nvm it's in the plugin section |
| 21:37:06 | bobrules | at the end of the scanning it says data abort |
| 21:37:11 | bobrules | how do I fix it? |
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| 21:38:39 | preglow | Llorean: well, do you know how fast usual targets chug through the files? |
| 21:39:37 | jott | bobrules: data abort? which device? |
| 21:39:41 | preglow | it's not exactly hyper fast on the h120 either |
| 21:39:42 | ravve | preglow: My X5 did 2-3/s a while ago, but now it does 20+/s |
| 21:39:42 | Llorean | preglow: Well, the usual number of "five or so minutes" is quoted for a decent number of files |
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| 21:39:56 | Llorean | I know that it took me less than 3 minutes for some 2000 files. |
| 21:40:01 | Llorean | On my h120] |
| 21:40:08 | bobrules | sansa e250 |
| 21:40:12 | Llorean | But again, old code. Database stores a lot more now |
| 21:40:24 | bobrules | also it only showed 2 out of my 300 albums |
| 21:40:33 | bobrules | what format does the pictures have to be? |
| 21:40:53 | jott | bobrules: bmp. |
| 21:41:04 | PaulJam | on my h300 database scan is very fast. it feels like less tahn a minute with ~2500 audio files. |
| 21:41:05 | jott | every size *should* work but 100x100 is preferred |
| 21:41:16 | Isolinear-BB | Sweet, finally got the IRC client for my BlackBerry working! |
| 21:41:35 | bobrules | my cover.bmp are all 110*110 |
| 21:41:36 | jott | bobrules: have you done a complete install of your build? or just the .rock? |
| 21:41:44 | jott | bobrules: oh.. |
| 21:41:55 | jott | bobrules: you have to change the code for now to make this work.. |
| 21:42:02 | bobrules | how |
| 21:42:23 | jott | bobrules: in apps/plugins/pictureflow.c change #define MAX_IMG_WIDTH 100 -> #define MAX_IMG_WIDTH 110 |
| 21:42:26 | jott | (and _HEIGHT) |
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| 21:42:59 | preglow | i love the fact that dircache seems to have an impact on nano |
| 21:43:06 | preglow | we really must be doing something wrong with the ata bridge chip |
| 21:43:12 | bobrules | jott: can I edited it with note pad? |
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| 21:43:29 | jott | bobrules: and delete the .rockbox/rocks/demos/pictureflow/ directory |
| 21:43:41 | jott | bobrules: should work if linebreaks are not messed |
| 21:44:03 | bobrules | do I have to cahnge max length too? |
| 21:44:06 | bobrules | change* |
| 21:44:15 | jott | only MAX_IMG_WIDTH MAX_IMG_HEIGHT |
| 21:44:49 | bobrules | you can't select a music to play right now right? |
| 21:45:06 | jott | no..not yet.. and it does not work reliable when music is playing.. |
| 21:45:15 | jott | those are todos :) |
| 21:45:23 | bobrules | you made it? |
| 21:45:25 | PaulJam | jott: is it expected that an album where the cover is named cover.75x75.bmp does show the defaultcover in the demo? and if there are the files cover.bmp and cover.100x100.bmp, which one would be preferred? sorry if the plugin is too jung for those kind of questions. |
| 21:45:52 | jott | bobrules: i did the plugin with Nico_P as a port from the qt version |
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| 21:46:26 | bobrules | it looks great |
| 21:47:36 | bobrules | I can't find pictureflow.c |
| 21:47:36 | jott | PaulJam: hm actually it tries to prefer the file MAX_IMG_WIDTHxMAX_IMG_HEIGHT.bmp |
| 21:47:52 | jott | cover.*.. |
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| 21:48:13 | PaulJam | jott: thanks |
| 21:48:31 | bobrules | where's the apps folder |
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| 21:48:37 | omry | hi all, does rockbox support ogg files? |
| 21:48:53 | jott | bobrules: in the svn checkout.. |
| 21:48:53 | karashata | omry, yes |
| 21:49:23 | bobrules | I have no idea how that works. |
| 21:49:47 | jott | bobrules: did you compile/build the flash image yourself? |
| 21:50:08 | bobrules | I updated rockbox to the latest build |
| 21:50:17 | jott | ah ok.. |
| 21:50:24 | krazykit | bobrules, you have to compile it yourself if you want to change that. |
| 21:50:39 | omry | karashata, thanks. |
| 21:51:03 | bobrules | o man I'll wait for a future update then |
| 21:51:22 | karashata | omry, you're welcome |
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| 21:51:44 | preglow | i like the fact that the pictureflow splash clips on the nano display... |
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| 21:52:17 | preglow | ehh, why does pictureflow include entries for anything without album art? |
| 21:52:22 | preglow | that's a weird way to do things |
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| 21:52:33 | jott | preglow: well it's supposed to be an option later |
| 21:52:44 | preglow | good, also the font drawing needs to do alpha :> |
| 21:52:45 | jott | to filter those.. |
| 21:52:52 | Lear | preglow: sbr_hfadj.c:hf_adjustment uses fairly much stack too, but making adj static didn't help... |
| 21:53:00 | preglow | it looks silly with a black background, heh |
| 21:53:08 | jott | preglow: is there a simple way to do so? |
| 21:53:25 | bobrules | please make it support 110*110 in the future |
| 21:53:29 | jott | it's currently just lcd_putsxy |
| 21:53:33 | preglow | jott: oh no, not at all |
| 21:53:45 | preglow | all our drawing functions set background colour explicitely, afaik |
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| 21:55:29 | jott | i guess we should increase the maximum size.. maybe it's good to average over all sizes of the covers found and use that as the "preferred" size.. |
| 21:56:00 | Llorean | Well "MAX" and "Preferred" shouldn't be identical |
| 21:56:16 | jott | Llorean: that's an implication of my idea :) |
| 21:56:18 | Llorean | MAX should probably be a bit bigger than preferred, and both should be dependent on LCD size |
| 21:56:44 | Llorean | For example, our color LCDs range from 128x80 iirc up to 320x240 and 240x320, with a 640x480 possibly on the way |
| 21:56:58 | jott | what's necessary to get svn commit access? |
| 21:57:15 | hcs | GUTS |
| 21:57:17 | jott | :P |
| 21:57:30 | preglow | we usually just ask people we think deserve it if they want it |
| 21:57:37 | preglow | after having seen some of their work |
| 21:57:41 | jott | i see |
| 21:57:58 | hcs | seems to be a matter of people submitting stuff that gets committed, just let them do it themselves to save the middleman |
| 21:58:12 | hcs | (if it gets approved continually) |
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| 22:10:04 | PaulJam | bobrules: can't you just additionally put 100x100 covers on your player? |
| 22:11:44 | Nico_P | jott: we could just give the tmp buffer the same size as the framebuffer |
| 22:12:12 | Nico_P | the bitmap loader doesn't accept more than that, and it's a single buffer, so I guess it's not too much |
| 22:13:20 | jott | Nico_P: it's too much... |
| 22:13:29 | jott | i just started to allocate bufferspace.. |
| 22:13:56 | Nico_P | what do you mean? |
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| 22:14:16 | jott | Nico_P: well 100x100 is quite the limit for now for PLUGIN_RAM |
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| 22:14:34 | Nico_P | really? I tried 130x130 and it worked fine |
| 22:14:35 | jott | dynamically allocation bufferspace is more flexible (bufalloc etc.) |
| 22:14:56 | jott | Nico_P: yeah i tried 200x200 and that failed.. somewhere inbetween probably |
| 22:15:12 | Nico_P | ok |
| 22:15:14 | jott | and as we use bufferspace anyway i see no harm in doing there too |
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| 22:17:14 | Soap | will it look for cover.100x100.bmp? (or 50x50) |
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| 22:19:04 | Soap | for all my players have cover.bmp images which are the player's smallest dimension (240x240 on gigabeat and iPod video for example), and cover.<size>x<size>.bmp for whatever WPSs I use. |
| 22:20:29 | PaulJam | Soap: cover.75x75.bmp didn't seem to work for me, but cover.100x100.bmp works fine here. |
| 22:22:37 | * | karashata has a recommendation for later work on the pictureflow plugin: make the album titles scroll |
| 22:22:44 | preglow | maaan, this helix lib is so damned tempting :/// |
| 22:23:01 | Soap | thank you PaulJam |
| 22:23:07 | Llorean | preglow: Just figure out a way to meet the conditions of both licenses then |
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| 22:23:33 | * | keanu wonders if pictureflow isn't working on my sansa due to the .rockbox directory being all messed up |
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| 22:26:43 | pixelma | Llorean: 128 pixel is ths smallest colour lcd width (5/6GB H10), 80 the smallest height (c200) |
| 22:26:50 | krazykit | keanu, probably all the zillion patches you put in your build. nuke the .rockbox directory and try again. |
| 22:27:03 | keanu | krazykit, haha, ok |
| 22:28:14 | Llorean | pixelma: The c200 is 132 tall, isn't it? |
| 22:29:28 | pixelma | yes (if by tall you mean the width) |
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| 22:29:55 | Llorean | Sorry |
| 22:29:56 | Llorean | Wide |
| 22:30:05 | Llorean | Yes, I'm holding four conversations at once right now, and one is verbal. :) |
| 22:31:10 | pixelma | :) |
| 22:32:47 | * | freqmod_nx wonders how to translate "o'clock" when "12 o'clock" in Norwegian is "klokken 12" |
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| 22:34:21 | preglow | freqmod_nx: yeah, there are some translation problems hard to solve... |
| 22:34:35 | freqmod_nx | not that I am translating voice... |
| 22:34:58 | preglow | but those problems will have to be solved sooner or later, it's very english-centric right now |
| 22:35:05 | preglow | the same goes for voicing numbers |
| 22:35:43 | freqmod_nx | yes, gettext uses a format that support singular, dual, trial forms etc. too |
| 22:35:57 | preglow | twenty three vs drei und zwanzig/treogtjue, etc |
| 22:36:14 | freqmod_nx | and something like "%s 'a clock' -> "klokka %s" |
| 22:36:16 | freqmod_nx | no |
| 22:36:22 | freqmod_nx | ehh, yes for counting |
| 22:36:42 | freqmod_nx | but special conjugation for more than singular and plural |
| 22:37:23 | preglow | have anyone been able to get their hands on the helix source code? the cvs server seems to require that you have an account and the source code links are conveniently dead |
| 22:38:04 | Lear | You can download a zip with all the source... |
| 22:38:23 | preglow | well, the only links i could find the source zips are dead |
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| 22:39:31 | jott | preglow: helix cvs is *real* mess but you can use freereg/freereg to login :) |
| 22:40:15 | jott | you still have to upload a public ssh key.. |
| 22:40:39 | preglow | haha |
| 22:40:40 | preglow | the swine |
| 22:40:48 | PaulJam | little question: why was FS #5501 rejected? i've been using the cabbie2 theme for a few days and miss the numeric volume representation a bit. with this patch it would be possible to have both, numeric and graphic representation without using additional space similar to the default statusbar |
| 22:41:45 | freqmod_nx | (beta, not tested update of norwegian translation http://iskrembilen.com/freqmod/norsk4.lang , will submit in a few days after some testing) |
| 22:41:46 | jott | the licenses are somehow restrictive anyway :/ |
| 22:42:00 | PaulJam | (ok, the patch is propably horribly outdated, but i like the basic idea) |
| 22:42:26 | saratoga | whats with all the Helix interest these days? didn't they explicitly state that they're not going to GPL anything? |
| 22:42:31 | saratoga | if so, what good are they |
| 22:42:35 | preglow | jott: i didn't need to upload any keys, thanks for the login :) |
| 22:42:41 | Lear | preglow: The links on this page work (at least the first source link...): http://forms.helixcommunity.org/helix/builds/?category=helixdnaclient |
| 22:42:59 | jott | preglow: :) |
| 22:43:05 | jott | bugmenot.com is your friend ;) |
| 22:43:06 | preglow | saratoga: it seems to be a good codec, i'm interested in just learning what it does right that faad does so very wrong |
| 22:43:13 | preglow | jott: oh, indeed |
| 22:43:34 | Llorean | PaulJam: It seems like it'd be impossible to effectively preserve formatting and positioning with that patch, just from reading it. |
| 22:43:50 | saratoga | preglow: wouldn't the ffmpeg one be a better place to start since its GPLed? |
| 22:44:03 | saratoga | not sure we should be looking over code thats not under GPL terms for ideas |
| 22:44:16 | preglow | saratoga: it's not ready yet, and it's buggy |
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| 22:44:51 | preglow | it's in the process of being rewritten |
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| 22:44:59 | preglow | what's wrong with looking at non-gpled code for ideas? |
| 22:45:08 | preglow | it's not like i'm stealing anything they've copyrighted |
| 22:45:42 | scorche | Llorean: can you give any detail for what the Real person said about "There was mention of an exception being made to some of their standard policies in regards to GPL licensing of codecs for the XO / OLPC laptop"? |
| 22:46:30 | keanu | Alright, what's the format/size/etc needed for pictures to show up in pictureflow on the Sansa? |
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| 22:47:37 | shampoo | Hi everyone |
| 22:47:56 | PaulJam | Llorean: i'm not sure i understand what you mean. |
| 22:48:13 | shampoo | I'm getting 3hr battery life on a iPod 30gig Video.. Is this about normal ? |
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| 22:48:22 | keanu | right now I have then all in [album name].bmp, all different sizes, saved as a 24 bit bitmap with MS paint |
| 22:49:18 | Llorean | PaulJam: Images are positioned absolutely, text is positioned relatively. Does volume images vs text work well with that conditional? |
| 22:50:01 | Llorean | scorche: He said that normally their codecs aren't licensed under the GPL. Because their company so badly wanted to get their codecs on the OLPC, some exceptions were made. I don't know any real details beyond that. |
| 22:50:15 | scorche | alright...i shall go hunting |
| 22:50:26 | Llorean | I don't know if it's an exception in the RPSL of some sort, or if it's an exception in that they're actually GPL licensed on it, or what |
| 22:51:29 | keanu | any suggestions for getting pictureflow to work? right now it just shows a blank screen |
| 22:52:01 | Llorean | keanu: It looks for files named in the cover.bmp method that rockbox likes |
| 22:52:17 | preglow | Llorean: i really couldn't find any code of that kind for olpc |
| 22:52:23 | keanu | Llorean, ah, so it requires cover.bmp, and won't allow [album name].bmp? |
| 22:53:01 | Llorean | preglow: Well it may not be at the normal helix site? Or you may have to request it directly once you've been distributed an OLPC, who knows? |
| 22:53:10 | Llorean | keanu: AFAIK, yes |
| 22:53:21 | keanu | Llorean, that might explain it ;) thanks |
| 22:53:22 | Llorean | keanu: Otherwise it would just index all .bmps on the device, probably not ideal |
| 22:53:44 | keanu | that makes sense - thanks |
| 22:55:17 | keanu | now lets try.. |
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| 22:55:32 | preglow | Llorean: well, rockbox could buy one... |
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| 22:56:07 | Llorean | preglow: Scorche has got one either on the way, or already |
| 22:56:20 | keanu | nope |
| 22:56:23 | Llorean | If he can figure out where their media player uses Real, and where the license is stored, he could find out |
| 22:56:25 | scorche | i have been active in the olpc channels as well |
| 22:57:14 | keanu | Llorean, renaming about five bitmaps to cover.bmp didn't work - anything else I could be doing wrong? |
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| 22:58:32 | Llorean | keanu: Do they work in album art WPSes? |
| 22:59:11 | keanu | Llorean, hold on |
| 22:59:29 | preglow | scorche: well, could you find out if they actually use the helix aac decoder in some way? |
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| 23:00:46 | Llorean | preglow: It *sounded* like he was referring to Real Audio / Video. Which of course could include AAC, but might not too. |
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| 23:01:17 | scorche | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Helix_media_activity |
| 23:01:22 | knix_ | Hello all |
| 23:01:23 | PaulJam | Llorean: i'm still not sure what you mean. if i understand correctly it should work like every other conditional. you'd only have to make sure that the volume text and the graphic representation are at the same position, which shouldn't be hard. |
| 23:01:54 | keanu | Llorean, weird...they don't display in the WPS, and rockpaint can't open them |
| 23:02:18 | keanu | explains quite a lot |
| 23:02:19 | knix_ | I have a ipod 30g video, and I used the rockbox util to install everything. I havent put music on yet, and I try to build the DB, and it just hangs there. |
| 23:03:00 | preglow | scorche: that does seem to imply they're using what we want, yes |
| 23:03:08 | preglow | scorche: is the code for it located in some kind of public repo? |
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| 23:03:17 | Llorean | PaulJam: If I recall in the past, conditionals that either showed a graphic or text had problems clearing the graphic, didn't they? |
| 23:03:22 | scorche | as well, talking to them, they are saying that whatever such an exception might be, it hasnt materialized yet, as they cannot ship that version of the activity with laptops due to patents and such |
| 23:03:52 | preglow | so there's no code for it yet either or what? it's supplied directly by real? |
| 23:03:52 | PaulJam | Llorean: i think this was fixed a few weeks ago. |
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| 23:04:45 | preglow | License doesn't allow the Four Freedoms that the GPL protects. This isn't free software. |
| 23:04:51 | preglow | seems there's no exception |
| 23:04:54 | PaulJam | Llorean: but indeed, there could be problems with having other graphics on the same line like the volume. |
| 23:04:59 | scorche | they are going on about patents |
| 23:05:11 | scorche | scorche: implementations and copyright licenses are not the issue here. It's software patents. |
| 23:05:20 | knix_ | thoughts? |
| 23:05:23 | scorche | " it would be contributory patent infringement to allow Rockbox to be downloaded by someone in the US." |
| 23:06:15 | pixelma | Llorean, PaulJam: yes that's been fixed though there still is a short delay if the graphic is removed until the text appears again |
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| 23:07:13 | PaulJam | pixelma: thanks. then maybe it isn't possible to implement the way i imagined. |
| 23:07:33 | Llorean | PaulJam: I would think the problem would actually be with other text on the same line as the volume, rather than other graphics. |
| 23:07:42 | Llorean | Since graphics are absolutely positioned, and wouldn't care about the conditional state |
| 23:08:59 | PaulJam | Llorean: i was thinking of statusbar at the bottom of the the cabbie2 theme. there is no other text. |
| 23:09:47 | saratoga | the helix OLPC thing looks like a binary distribution |
| 23:09:50 | Llorean | Then the only dependency would be that the volume text be less wide/tall than the image. |
| 23:10:07 | saratoga | which makes sense since if they'd actually GPLed their code they'd have told us about it |
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| 23:11:10 | keanu | Llorean, still not working. images do display in the WPS though |
| 23:11:19 | Llorean | keanu: And they're 100x100 or less? |
| 23:11:42 | keanu | Llorean, one (or two) are 75x75, and about four are 100x100 |
| 23:12:24 | Lear | preglow: ouch, sbr decoder contains some floating point stuff. maybe not called often, but... |
| 23:12:36 | scorche | preglow: apparently the code for the Helix framework and activity are GPL, but the codecs are not |
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| 23:14:04 | amiconn | scorche: I wonder how that's possible... |
| 23:14:06 | preglow | god, i've had it with faad |
| 23:20:51 | scorche | actually it is (presumably) LGPL...OLPC doesnt bundle or support that activity, so they dont know..apparently Real hired the OSUOSL to write it |
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| 23:22:26 | scorche | i do have an email of the current maintainer of the activity...who wants to mail him? |
| 23:23:02 | Jeton | jott: Can't you make PictureFlow read .jpg file also for the album art? I'm asking this on the long term, if there's an option to play music from Picture Flow. |
| 23:23:05 | saratoga | i downloaded the helix package for the OLPC and theres no source code and no mention of a license, so I don't see how it could be GPL |
| 23:23:23 | saratoga | they'd have to at least mention its GPLed code if they're distributing it right? |
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| 23:25:38 | Lear | preglow: found the source, I think. Looks like a bug to me: Line 693 in sbr_fbt.c, should it really do REAL_CONST on that limTable value? |
| 23:28:12 | Llorean | Jeton: Rockbox doesn't support jpeg album art. |
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| 23:28:24 | Jeton | Llorean: i know that. |
| 23:28:35 | Llorean | So, why should Cover Flow support album art that Rockbox can't display? |
| 23:28:47 | Llorean | People would then simply report it as a bug when they pick an album in Cover Flow and the art doesn't show up in the WPS |
| 23:29:01 | Jeton | i was asking if the plugin could read .jpg files |
| 23:29:13 | Jeton | it was just a question. |
| 23:29:29 | Llorean | You asked if *we* could make it read jpeg files. |
| 23:29:43 | Llorean | With a clear connotation that you meant, in the main build. |
| 23:29:56 | scorche | saratoga: yes.. .xo is just an activity bundle...no source |
| 23:30:16 | scorche | who wanted to use this email to find out more?....or shall i just do it? |
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| 23:30:19 | Jeton | ah, connotation |
| 23:30:45 | Jeton | i didn't imply having it on the main build by that. |
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| 23:30:49 | Llorean | Jeton: Well, it's rather obvious a plugin can load jpeg images, so I knew you weren't simply asking that. |
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| 23:31:37 | Jeton | i asked it because i thought that the plugin didn't read Album Art as it's being read on the WPS screen. |
| 23:32:10 | Llorean | The WPS can't do jpeg cover art. |
| 23:32:10 | Jeton | if the same method is used, then there's nothing "you"/jott can do. |
| 23:32:24 | Llorean | The plugin can do whatever it wants. |
| 23:32:39 | Jeton | that's why i asked :) |
| 23:32:55 | Jeton | if it can do whatever, then maybe it can do jpeg. ;) |
| 23:33:04 | Llorean | I don't understand the question then |
| 23:33:11 | amiconn | It can. The question is whether it should |
| 23:33:11 | Llorean | WHY should the plugin do jpeg if jpeg isn't supported in the WPS? |
| 23:33:23 | Llorean | As I said in my very first response to you, it *shouldn't* do something different from the WPS |
| 23:33:29 | Llorean | Implying rather strongly that it *could* in theory. |
| 23:33:43 | * | amiconn thinks this plugin shouldn't exist </rant> |
| 23:33:46 | preglow | lemur__: i raelly don't know |
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| 23:34:25 | preglow | amiconn: why not? |
| 23:34:34 | PaulJam | Llorean: i just tried the switching between graphic/numeric with the cabbie_default wps using the remote hold conditional instead and it seemed to work fine, but it just looks silly with white text between the yellow icons. so it turned out that it was not such a good idea. |
| 23:34:42 | * | karashata is indifferent to the plugin, but it's definitely flashy... |
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| 23:35:11 | preglow | lemur__: sorry, that wasn't meant for you |
| 23:36:36 | * | amiconn tried coverflow on a 3rd Gen Nano at the local electronics store |
| 23:36:53 | amiconn | Completely useless method of navigation... |
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| 23:38:49 | bobrules | as long as pictureflow supports 110*110 cover.bmp |
| 23:38:52 | preglow | it's more flashy than anything else, yeah |
| 23:39:22 | scorche | any more useless than, say, fireworks? :) |
| 23:39:37 | preglow | hehe |
| 23:39:43 | preglow | i think it's cool |
| 23:39:57 | Jeton_ | or rocklife |
| 23:40:12 | pixelma | scorche: yeah, square (as in rb) fireworks is really useless ;) |
| 23:40:37 | scorche | but is it less or more useless than coverflow?!? =P |
| 23:40:47 | amiconn | I didn't check out the rockbox plugin (in fact I can't, as I don't have a single coverart BMP on any of my targets), but if it's like coverflow, it doesn't even look nice |
| 23:41:02 | Bagder | we need a uselessometer to tell |
| 23:41:17 | scorche | hrm...i guess i will just write the email then... |
| 23:41:24 | preglow | even i think it looks nice |
| 23:42:00 | * | pixelma found a note about "anti-rubbish-weeks" in some devcon scribble... :) |
| 23:42:25 | * | preglow got himself some album art just for this plugin :> |
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| 23:43:48 | saratoga | is there a screen shot of it somewhere |
| 23:43:51 | saratoga | i don't have any album art |
| 23:43:58 | * | karashata made album art once the support for it entered SVN, as well as making his themes support album art. Way too much time on his hands, honestly... |
| 23:44:20 | preglow | saratoga: there should be a movie of it some place |
| 23:44:23 | scorche | saratoga: well, there is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enPZRQ9sttw |
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| 23:45:39 | saratoga | holy crap thats running on an ARM7? |
| 23:45:45 | saratoga | thats unbelievable |
| 23:45:58 | bobrules | it looks great |
| 23:46:08 | bobrules | when it supprots 110*110 ofcourse |
| 23:46:17 | jott | bobrules: heh it will :) |
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| 23:46:32 | saratoga | damn it now i'm going to need some cover art |
| 23:46:38 | amiconn | Why not? Doom was running smooth on a 386/40 |
| 23:46:59 | saratoga | doom was a bunch of bitmaps being dragged around the screen |
| 23:47:24 | jott | this is nothing else.. |
| 23:47:39 | amiconn | Not just dragged, but also variable scaled/distorted |
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| 23:48:29 | saratoga | this has rotation too, i don't think doom could do that |
| 23:48:34 | Robin0800 | Nico_P, flow is very slow on an ipod video with 300 pictures, the text needs to scroll and would be nice to play the album displayed |
| 23:48:50 | saratoga | but yeah i guess you're right, we've got way more CPU power then a 386 on most targets |
| 23:49:07 | amiconn | On all targets which offer album art |
| 23:49:55 | * | amiconn isn't impressed at all by the video |
| 23:50:04 | jott | Robin0800: playlist support will come later.. and scrolling might be useful.. |
| 23:50:16 | Nico_P | Robin0800: what is slow, the animations? and playing the displayed album is a planned feature but give time, we only committed ot today |
| 23:50:19 | jott | Robin0800: the number of albums should not impact performance |
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| 23:51:33 | jott | i also have some perfomance tweaks in mind but this will follow... |
| 23:52:09 | saratoga | Nico_P: I was wondering if theres been any thought to having album art cached or organized by the database? |
| 23:52:10 | Robin0800 | Nico_P,yes going from one picture to the next over 3 seconds i think it also appears you can't go backwards or perhaps thats even slower |
| 23:52:31 | saratoga | it sound slike this plugin does some caching of it's own, maybe this would be useful to other plugins or the WPS? |
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| 23:53:19 | * | amiconn still wonders about the basic/gimmicks ratio |
| 23:53:41 | * | amiconn got 2 freezes on H340 and 1 freeze on H180 today |
| 23:54:07 | amiconn | Happened just while walking the menu |
| 23:54:13 | jott | Robin0800: for now it's not wise to play music in the background... |
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| 23:54:27 | preglow | amiconn: any more ideas about the status bar, btw? it's started hapenning to my nano now i have a voice file |
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| 23:55:00 | Robin0800 | jott,i'm not playing music |
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| 23:56:08 | jott | Robin0800: hmh.. it runs at 20fps here.. (ipod 30gb 5.5g) |
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| 23:56:38 | knix_ | ipod 30gb 5g, hanging on building database. Thoughts? |
| 23:57:17 | Robin0800 | Nico_P,sorry about speed thing was using forward and back just found out you can scroll plenty fast enough now |
| 23:57:42 | bobrules | it runs at 50fps+ on my sansa |
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| 23:58:59 | pixelma | saratoga: I didn't ask about the RWPSs specifically but how to deal with them in the wiki page... |
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