| 00:00:26 | knix_ | !building database |
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| 00:03:47 | Robin0800 | Nico_P,roll over at end and chance to set the speed |
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| 00:06:17 | * | pixelma reads "ictureFlo" |
| 00:07:26 | jott | pixelma: yeah the logo needs to be rescaled for smaller screens.. |
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| 00:08:25 | pixelma | does the album art need to be in a specific size to be picked up? |
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| 00:08:52 | Nico_P | pixelma: either cover.100x100.bmp or cover.bmp of less than 100x100 |
| 00:10:08 | pixelma | and it only works if it's named "cover" not the album name? |
| 00:10:54 | Nico_P | album name should work too |
| 00:11:16 | Nico_P | it uses the album art search funcs that were already there |
| 00:12:28 | Llorean | Does coverflow throttle itself, or drop frames, to handle our various player speeds? |
| 00:14:18 | * | Llorean really needs to go get some album art at some point to play with all the new shinys |
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| 00:16:18 | jott | Llorean: no, currently it uses all cpu it gets .. |
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| 00:16:27 | deliriumUser | hello tu all |
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| 00:17:48 | petur | Delirium tremens? |
| 00:18:06 | safetydan | jott: there's already some fixed point sin/cos routines in the plugin lib that you might want to reuse instead of using your own |
| 00:18:16 | safetydan | assuming they have a enough precision for you |
| 00:18:29 | jott | safetydan: where are they? |
| 00:18:41 | safetydan | lib/fixedpoint.c |
| 00:18:49 | safetydan | apps/plugins/lib/fixedpoint.c I mean |
| 00:19:33 | safetydan | the cube plugin makes use of them. as far as I can see you just need to include fixedpoint.h and use cos_int/sin_int |
| 00:19:35 | jott | yep ..looking at it |
| 00:20:35 | pixelma | yay, seems like there is a pluginlibactions conflict (my favourite hobby) - can't seem to get into the menu on the c200 :| |
| 00:21:00 | pixelma | *goes looking* |
| 00:21:21 | jott | safetydan: i will consider them when i have time to do some optimization i've in mind |
| 00:21:36 | Undis | couple of quick questions for ya guys! 1. Windows nags about drivers everytime i plug my rockbox in... What is this? can i get drivers somewhere? 2. Do i still have to use iTunes to transfer music etc? |
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| 00:22:36 | karashata | Undis, 1. ignore driver pop-ups, the current USB stack only asks for full power from the USB port, thus the reason for the pop-up |
| 00:23:11 | karashata | 2. no, you can just drag-and-drop music onto your player when it's connected in UMS/MSC mode |
| 00:23:56 | Undis | aha, ok. But how can i access the music that is already on there, it's blocked like a regular ipod |
| 00:24:18 | karashata | use the database, it will find the files iTunes synced to it |
| 00:24:18 | Undis | from the computer i mean, if i wanna delete or whatever |
| 00:24:19 | safetydan | jott: just pointing out that they're there. It'd be nice to see more fixed point functions available for fancier stuff as well. |
| 00:24:36 | karashata | not sure how to delete files, I don't own an iPod |
| 00:25:13 | pixelma | and why the heck do people combine plugin button actions contexts? If not used in different screens you can't ecxpect to not have conflicts... :\ |
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| 00:27:01 | pixelma | *expect |
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| 00:29:12 | jott | safetydan: indeed recent devices are capable of really nice "bling".. |
| 00:30:14 | * | safetydan wonders what happened to the guy who wanted to port an OpenGL ES library to Rockbox? |
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| 00:40:36 | pixelma | someone with an Ipod and/or e200 around who is experimenting with pictureflow and is able to compile? |
| 00:42:45 | jott | i've an ipod.. |
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| 00:46:19 | pixelma | could you please try if you still can access control the plugin if you change the order of "generic_directions, generic_actions" in line 40? In the order it is now there is a conflict with the "down" button on c200 and this would be the easiest fix (at least it works now for me) - but I don't think it's a good practice to combine those context in one although this is done a lot... |
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| 00:46:29 | pixelma | s/access// |
| 00:47:07 | sigmounte | hi ! i've just upgraded to the last version of rockbox with my nano (previous worked fine ) and now i have the boot screen , but no interface |
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| 00:48:20 | jott | pixelma: mh.. what other implications would this have?.. Nico_P did this part :).. |
| 00:49:07 | pixelma | jott: to explain what happens - you first declare generic directions which define PLA_DOWN for BUTTON_DOWN and this takes priority over PLA_MENU which should also use this button but is never "reached"... so I couldn't get to the menu at all |
| 00:49:29 | pixelma | s/you/Nico_P :) |
| 00:49:31 | safetydan | sigmounte: doesn't sound like you've extracted the new version correctly. There should be an error message displayed on the bootscreen. What does it say? |
| 00:49:51 | jott | i see |
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| 00:50:26 | jott | atleast changing the order does have no impact on the ipod (simulator) :) |
| 00:51:25 | sigmounte | safetydan, it say : rockbox boot loader <CRLF> version ... IPOD version ... Partitio ... Model: nano ... Checksum ... Sum: /.. Rockbox loaded |
| 00:51:40 | pixelma | jott: I just want to know if this small change breaks anything on the scrollwheel targets. Generally I don't like this kind of plugin button action usage... |
| 00:51:55 | pixelma | thanks for testing |
| 00:54:23 | Nico_P | pixelma: I thought it was more flexible |
| 00:54:39 | Nico_P | the idea is appealing |
| 00:54:55 | pixelma | yeah, too... :\ |
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| 00:56:30 | safetydan | sigmounte: odd that there's no error message. Can you connect your ipod to your computer and try a checkdisk/scandisk? |
| 00:56:40 | pixelma | Nico_P: and still my album art is not picked up - I have all 5 pics in the form "album name.bmp" now and deleted the pictureflow folder to make it scan again. An idea? |
| 00:57:05 | pixelma | all of them 40x40 pixels btw... |
| 00:59:14 | jott | pixelma: does wps display them? |
| 00:59:21 | pixelma | yes |
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| 01:00:24 | jott | hm.. |
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| 01:01:25 | jott | i guess there are still some unhandled execeptions in the code.. |
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| 01:01:45 | jott | pixelma: have you tried restarting the device? |
| 01:01:49 | Nico_P | pixelma: you're not playing any music, are you? |
| 01:01:59 | pixelma | no and no |
| 01:02:39 | jott | try restarting it.. maybe there where buffers allocated that are not freed |
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| 01:03:15 | Nico_P | the buffering debug screen can tell you that |
| 01:03:21 | jott | ah..ok :) |
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| 01:05:55 | Jeton | uhm , what size does the cover need to be for Picture Flow? |
| 01:06:17 | Nico_P | Jeton: 100x100 or less |
| 01:06:17 | jott | atm the maximum size is 100x100 any smaller size should work |
| 01:06:26 | Jeton | okay |
| 01:07:04 | jott | but hopefully this limit will be fixed anytime soon :) |
| 01:07:25 | Jeton | :) |
| 01:07:31 | pixelma | that didn't help. I even deleted the pictureflow folder, then renamed one of the 5 to simply "cover.bmp", then shut down, rebooted and started the plugin again (and it seemed to scan) - still nothing |
| 01:08:31 | jott | pixelma: strange.. are there .rockbox/rocks/demos/pictureflow/[1-5].pfraw with reasonable size? |
| 01:09:05 | pixelma | of course the picture wouldn't fit on the screen but I thought it would work because the blanko picture (with the question mark) shows up |
| 01:09:06 | jott | (as in w*h*2+8) |
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| 01:10:40 | pixelma | jott: there is only emptyslide.pfraw and ready in the folder... |
| 01:10:56 | jott | mh.. ok so something in the creation process failed |
| 01:11:40 | PaulJam | pixelma: but the albums show up in your Database? |
| 01:12:57 | pixelma | yes - and it is listed in pictureflow (with the emptyslide bmp) |
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| 01:14:43 | jott | pixelma: you could check the return value of create_bmp in create_albumart_cache .. there must be something strange happening.. |
| 01:14:46 | jott | hmm |
| 01:14:53 | jott | pixelma: could you put the bmp somewhere? |
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| 01:15:24 | jott | still strange as wps gets them and we i think we use the same methods (as find covers file and read_bmp) |
| 01:16:53 | Nico_P | pixelma: are the concerned tracks in the DB? they have to be, and they need to have an album tag |
| 01:17:14 | pixelma | yes, already answered that |
| 01:17:19 | Nico_P | oh sorry |
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| 01:21:30 | pixelma | Nico_P: ok, I even turned off any voice feature (just thought as music playback was mentioned before, I should test this too), same procedure as described above - with no change. Have to ask: is there anything that prevents it to show up on the small display because the upper part would be cropped? |
| 01:22:33 | Nico_P | pixelma: not that I know of, jott? |
| 01:22:36 | jott | if you do not have those [1-5].pfraw then you won't see anything.. |
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| 01:22:43 | jott | so just the "?" |
| 01:22:59 | jott | and i think it should not be cropped as everything is relative to LCD_W/H |
| 01:24:08 | pixelma | tested in a c200 sim? The "?" looks like it is cropped |
| 01:24:58 | pixelma | it looks like it is meant to be 100x100 |
| 01:25:17 | jott | ah ok.. yeah the ? is always 100x100 if your screen is smaller then there is a problem |
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| 01:27:30 | pixelma | well, the c200 screen is 132x80. But if it doesn't create even "1.pfraw" then there are probably 2 issues |
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| 01:33:42 | jott | pixelma: indeed.. the 100x100 issue can be solved by putting the right sized bmp into apps/plugins/bitmaps/native |
| 01:33:58 | karashata | heh, the ? gets cropped about 2-4 pixels on the H10, apparently |
| 01:34:03 | jott | (best to resize it and do some #ifdef in the source) |
| 01:34:17 | jott | (SOURCE in the bmp dir) |
| 01:34:20 | Nico_P | pixelma: I have a small patch you could try out |
| 01:35:56 | pixelma | ok, last test I'd do for today... if you want to commit the small keymap change go ahead and maybe test a e200 sim (I'm a bit too tired and don't care enough if it doesn't work correctly, yet :) ) |
| 01:36:05 | jott | just like the other like pictureflow_emptyslide.(lcd_width)x(lcd_height).bmp |
| 01:36:19 | Nico_P | pixelma: http://pastebin.ca/810512 |
| 01:36:48 | Workaphobia | what's the preferred way for debugging rockbox from the simulator? Is there any way to use something like gdb, or is it mostly output debugging? |
| 01:37:23 | Nico_P | Workaphobia: gdb ./rockboxui |
| 01:37:24 | jott | Workaphobia: you can use gdb |
| 01:37:38 | Workaphobia | on the gui itself? Didn't realize that |
| 01:38:48 | Nico_P | jott: your patch looks good to me |
| 01:38:54 | Nico_P | haven't tested it though |
| 01:39:12 | Nico_P | and it's too late for me to consider committing anything |
| 01:39:32 | jott | Nico_P: yeah no problem .. |
| 01:40:13 | jott | you could put the pastebin patch you made also into svn i guess.. |
| 01:40:30 | jott | could help debugging stuff.. |
| 01:40:45 | Nico_P | yes, I'll probably include it in the next commit |
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| 01:40:53 | pixelma | btw. I'm not as interested in the feature as it may look now, but wanted to get an impression and think it should at least work :) |
| 01:41:13 | Nico_P | pixelma: thanks for testing, it's very much appreciated :) |
| 01:41:18 | jott | indeed.. |
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| 01:45:24 | pixelma | Nico_P: still no go |
| 01:45:37 | Nico_P | pixelma: wasn't there an error message? |
| 01:45:44 | pixelma | no |
| 01:46:06 | Nico_P | even after clearing the cache? the changes affect the caching |
| 01:47:50 | pixelma | I did a reboot after deleting the folder if that's what you mean |
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| 01:49:05 | jott | really strange.. |
| 01:49:40 | pixelma | anyone of you tried a c200 sim? |
| 01:49:45 | Nico_P | pixelma: if you went through the caching process again, it's fine |
| 01:50:05 | Nico_P | no, but didn't you say it worked? |
| 01:50:26 | evilnick | Are there any plans for what this pictureflow might turn into? Once it's fully working. |
| 01:51:06 | preet | I'm trying to help out with a Rockbox port. Is there any documentation wrt how a port was created for another player that uses a PortalPlayer chip? I've gone through Rockbox source and tried to understand what I can, and I've disassembled both the BL and PP5020 firmware file. I don't really know what to do from here... it'd be nice to have an example to follow. |
| 01:51:26 | pixelma | Nico_P: well you can enter the plugin and go through the list of all albums with a "?" cover... |
| 01:51:53 | Llorean | preet: That's a vague question. |
| 01:51:58 | Nico_P | ah |
| 01:52:05 | safetydan | evilnick: what more would you want it to do? If you're asking if it will be integrated in to the core, then no, that will probably never happen. |
| 01:52:07 | Llorean | preet: For example, a large portion of the PP hardware knowledge came from the iPodLinux port |
| 01:52:26 | Llorean | safetydan: It would be nice if clicking on an album started playing the album, and left the plugin, perhaps. |
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| 01:53:01 | safetydan | Llorean: ah, I just assumed it already did that. Haven't tested it on my H120 :) |
| 01:53:11 | Llorean | safetydan: I haven't tested either, but I hear that it doesn't yet. |
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| 01:53:18 | Llorean | I don't have any album art. Heh |
| 01:53:21 | jott | yeah that's a todo :) |
| 01:54:08 | evilnick | safetydan: I was wondering whether it'd be able to be used as an alternative to the standard Files or Database method of selecting music |
| 01:54:39 | jott | evilnick: that's the plan.. but it will most likely stay a plugin |
| 01:54:46 | preet | I know, but I'm a little lost ... I have two files full of assembly code, and I don't understand it too well. I don't know how to relate it to adding to the Rockbox source to create a port. I checked out the iPodLinux website and went through their wiki... but I wanted something more in depth. The wikis at iPodLinux and RockBox are more or less notes that help the developers... I'm new to this stuff, and it's not enough for me to do |
| 01:54:46 | preet | anything tangible. |
| 01:55:18 | safetydan | preet: have you got your own code running on your target yet? |
| 01:55:26 | safetydan | even something as simple as changing a string in the original firmware |
| 01:55:29 | Nico_P | I'm off to bed... I'll try a c200 sim tomorrow |
| 01:56:02 | Nico_P | gnight all |
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| 01:57:11 | preet | safetydan: No I haven't... my target is the MR-100. How can I change a string in the original firmware? I would have to compile the assembly dump back into a *.mi4, resign it, and put it back on the player right? |
| 01:57:22 | Workaphobia | how would I go about debugging a plugin on the simulator with gdb rather than the firmware itself? |
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| 01:58:50 | pixelma | jott: found the cause (well halfway) |
| 01:58:57 | JdGordon | does anyone know if there is any reason stripwaxes patch for sliding puzzle isnt in yet? |
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| 02:00:40 | jott | pixelma: oh really? what does it seem to be? |
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| 02:01:53 | pixelma | jott: obviously it doesn't like that the covers in question were stored in a folder with a ! in it (the rest of rockbox handles is fine and I think it's valid, never had a problem anywhere else with it yet). Now the one picture I renamed to just cover.bmp shows up, the "album name.bmp" ones still don't |
| 02:02:22 | safetydan | preet: well you could just modify a firmware binary file with a hex editor first |
| 02:02:24 | jott | oh..hmm |
| 02:02:41 | safetydan | Workaphobia: same as normal code. You can set break points in plugins using gdb |
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| 02:03:01 | jott | pixelma: still stange as it only uses the normal plugin function set.. |
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| 02:04:57 | pixelma | JdGordon: I _think_ there was one but can't remember what it was and if he already adressed it |
| 02:05:05 | preet | safetydan: i've sort of done this already. When the mrobe boots, there's an image of headphones and mrobe logo. I changed that to another image by modifying the firmware exe available from Olympus' website. |
| 02:05:30 | JdGordon | pixelma: the only thing I can think of was it wasnt in becasue of AA, but know thats in, I thought this was ok? |
| 02:06:41 | pixelma | jott: ok, probably I try to investigate further tomorrow - really need some sleep too |
| 02:08:14 | pixelma | JdGordon: he mentioned it here a few times after AA got committed and there were some things, maybe you can find sth. in the logs |
| 02:08:48 | pixelma | gnight |
| 02:10:17 | myusrnm | ok, so i'm going through the rockbox automatic installation on my ipod video |
| 02:10:27 | myusrnm | and i'm not seeing any changes as i do it |
| 02:10:30 | myusrnm | should i ? |
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| 02:11:35 | safetydan | preet: not sure exactly what your next step should be. Possibly modifying the original firmware file to execute your own code |
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| 02:13:27 | crzyboyster | hello! |
| 02:14:05 | crzyboyster | will album art resizing ever be commited? |
| 02:14:55 | JdGordon | ever is a very long time |
| 02:14:56 | Workaphobia | safetydan: I'm not sure how to address the source file though. |
| 02:15:27 | crzyboyster | does anyone know exactly how the new pictureflow plugin works? |
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| 02:16:30 | jott | crzyboyster: what do you want to know? |
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| 02:20:52 | Undis | how can i access the music already on my ipod thru my computer so i can delete anad stuff? |
| 02:20:59 | Undis | without itunes.. |
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| 02:21:42 | Llorean | Undis: If you added the music using iTunes, then you're just going to have to find a tool that can read the iTunes database, or spend a lot of time checking tags before deleting files |
| 02:21:50 | Llorean | But neither of these has much to do with Rockbox |
| 02:22:19 | jott | Llorean: well it may has .. i use rockbox with itunes crazy-dir :) |
| 02:22:31 | Undis | ah ok, just thought i maybe missed something :) |
| 02:22:37 | Llorean | jott: Yeah, but "How to organize your music, and what tools to use" is something completely independent of Rockbox |
| 02:22:43 | Llorean | rockbox doesn't care as long as the files are in a playable format |
| 02:22:44 | jott | Undis: under linux there is gtkpod |
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| 02:22:52 | jott | Llorean: that is true .. |
| 02:23:25 | safetydan | Workaphobia: you can set breakpoints on fuctions in the plugin. so something like "break function_in_plugin" and then executing the plugin |
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| 02:28:03 | myusrnm | ok, so how do i reboot my ipod! ! |
| 02:28:26 | Workaphobia | safetydan: I tried that, it didn't find it. Should I say yes to making it conditional on a library load? |
| 02:28:41 | safetydan | Workaphobia: yes |
| 02:28:48 | safetydan | iirc anyway |
| 02:29:00 | safetydan | plugins are loadable libraries basically |
| 02:29:51 | Workaphobia | I don't know, it doesn't break on it |
| 02:30:21 | Workaphobia | I can refer to kernel.c and other source files that aren't plugins from within gdb, I just don't know how to address the others |
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| 02:30:36 | safetydan | Workaphobia: just the function name is sufficient. |
| 02:30:50 | safetydan | I know this works because I've used it to debug codecs and plugins :) |
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| 02:31:43 | webguest47 | does pictureflow work with 65 x 65 album art? |
| 02:32:02 | safetydan | gdb ./rockboxui, then type "break plugin_start", then type "run", then in the simulator navigate to your plugin and it should break on plugin_start |
| 02:32:26 | Workaphobia | so I'm starting gdb, typing "b do_action" (a function in text_editor.c) and selecting y, running it, opening the text editor, and using it, but it's not breaking |
| 02:32:40 | Workaphobia | oh, hold.. |
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| 02:33:53 | webguest47 | well, does anyone want to answer my question?: does pictureflow work with 65 x 65 album art? |
| 02:34:00 | Workaphobia | safetydan: Okay, it breaks on plugin_start, but not on the other function I tried |
| 02:34:01 | homielowe | preet: Did you know there is a port of rockbox already to the MR:100? The only problem is that there is know button driver.http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5147.0 , http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OlympusMR100Info |
| 02:34:18 | homielowe | *no |
| 02:35:05 | Workaphobia | actually it's giving me SIGTTOU |
| 02:35:09 | safetydan | Workaphobia: hrm, maybe you need to break on plugin_start since that's the entry point. After that you should be able to set breakpoints further in the plugin |
| 02:35:49 | Workaphobia | so it didn't break quite that successfully... I think I need to reconsider the options I'm building with. I might've done something stupid there |
| 02:36:10 | Workaphobia | like the debug option in the configure script, is that related to simulator debugging or just on real hardware? |
| 02:36:52 | Llorean | webguest47: Why not just try it... |
| 02:37:40 | safetydan | Workaphobia: not sure, haven't got a rockbox tree I can look at right now |
| 02:37:54 | Workaphobia | guess I'll experiment a bit more. Thanks for the help |
| 02:38:43 | safetydan | IIRC the simulator is always compiled with -g so debugging should always work |
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| 02:41:26 | webguest47 | I'm updating my build right now...will check soon |
| 02:42:31 | psycho_maniac | Anybody know why some covers in the pictureflow plugin show up as a "?"? |
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| 02:44:54 | webguest47 | has everybody seen the pictureflow demonstration video on youtube? http://youtube.com/watch?v=enPZRQ9sttw |
| 02:45:16 | webguest47 | its actually quite impressive with the actual album cover reflections |
| 02:45:50 | psycho_maniac | webguest47: how long is the video? |
| 02:46:08 | webguest47 | 24 seconds |
| 02:46:25 | DogBoy | that looks interesting |
| 02:46:40 | psycho_maniac | yeah i think ive seen it. i saw one that was pretty short. it was a youtube video but linked at a different site. |
| 02:49:14 | webguest47 | also, I'm using an ipod nano with the mp3s all named itunes style (scrambled with random names), so can I just dump an album art say for the album "elephunk", into one of its messy folders that contains a song for it named as "Elephunk.bmp"? |
| 02:49:52 | psycho_maniac | how much am i dreaming if i say that cabbie 2.0 could become the new default theme? |
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| 02:50:56 | webguest47 | not dreaming at all, i made the nano version and all we need is the ipod video version for it to be considered |
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| 02:52:49 | psycho_maniac | they even made a wiki page about it which is very nice. easy way to keep track of the playres the theme is not ported to yet. |
| 02:53:32 | webguest47 | yes, in fact, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DefaultWPS and I'm crzyboyster :) |
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| 02:54:20 | psycho_maniac | may i ask why you cannot help port it to the ipod anymore? |
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| 02:55:35 | webguest47 | its just too much work, especially with me being a perfectionist and i have tons of schoolwork. i may do it in christmas time, though... also, it would be better for a true wps "artist" to do it, like senab or pjulius, wouldn't it? |
| 02:56:59 | preet | homielowe: I don't think low_lines has added his work to the source yet. I may be wrong but I don't see an mr100 device with the latest source code. Up on the mrobe.org forums, there's a pic of "Hello World" on the mrobe display. I'd be pretty happy if I knew how to get to that step! But I understand everyone has time constraints... |
| 02:57:34 | preet | So I was trying to find a parallel media player (like the iPod or iRiverH10) and follow what they did and apply it to the mrobe |
| 02:58:10 | safetydan | preet: you could try looking through svn for the initial commit of a new target and see what the first things added are |
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| 02:59:50 | psycho_maniac | i would like to help port it to the ipod. i have the simulator and i understand the wps code to a degree (i could learn easily) but i do not know how to do the graphics part. |
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| 03:00:04 | psycho_maniac | the cabbie 2.0 theme i mean |
| 03:00:21 | jott | webguest47: you can just put all your album art into iPod_Control/Music/albumname.bmp |
| 03:00:55 | myusrnm | how do i play videos? |
| 03:01:04 | myusrnm | my ipod can't play videos |
| 03:01:07 | webguest47 | well, i would start by reading up on the "default theme contest" thread in the forums and figure out what's been done and what's available (psd source is) and I can help you out with some of it if needed. |
| 03:01:17 | Llorean | myusrnm: Have you read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page? |
| 03:01:26 | myusrnm | no i haven't |
| 03:01:29 | myusrnm | directions |
| 03:01:36 | myusrnm | please? |
| 03:01:46 | myusrnm | i turn left where ? |
| 03:02:24 | psycho_maniac | im way a head of you. i know all that stuff but just the editing the psd. i dont know how do do that part. |
| 03:02:32 | Llorean | myusrnm: Just type "PluginMpegplayer" in the Go To box for the wiki... |
| 03:02:40 | myusrnm | awesome! |
| 03:03:32 | preet | safetydan: any chance you could tell me how to do that? (browse through svn) |
| 03:03:56 | psycho_maniac | webguest47: I am psycho_maniac on the forums and have posted in that topic |
| 03:04:10 | webguest47 | create a new photoshop document, make it 320 by 240 and start rummaging through the layers in the wpsdefault.psd source and copy over the needed elements |
| 03:04:38 | webguest47 | and i am crzyboyster and have also posted in that topic |
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| 03:06:16 | safetydan | preet: use the ViewVC pages. For example, here is the log for the mrobe 500 bootloader http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/bootloader/mrobe500.c?view=log |
| 03:06:37 | safetydan | if you click on a revision number for an entry you can see what other files were comitted at the same time |
| 03:06:41 | woodensoul | How can I check out the new PictureFlow plugin? I see no wiki for it. |
| 03:07:18 | safetydan | woodensoul: do you have working album art now? |
| 03:07:31 | woodensoul | I have album art on my WPS. |
| 03:07:44 | safetydan | if you do, then install a build with the plugin and start the plugin |
| 03:07:48 | safetydan | it should "just work" |
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| 03:08:01 | woodensoul | I don't see the plugin anywhere though. |
| 03:08:12 | webguest47 | ITS AMAZING! sorry about that, but it is, i got it working and it works perfectly! |
| 03:08:21 | woodensoul | sorry, found it now |
| 03:09:12 | woodensoul | They are all showing up as question marks. I guess it will take some time to find all the album art? |
| 03:09:21 | webguest47 | it runs very smoothly and it lets you flick through them within seconds and the album covers actually have reflections! rockbox truly rocks! :P |
| 03:09:57 | woodensoul | Yes, I agree. That's why I own so many rockboxed DAPs! |
| 03:10:36 | psycho_maniac | woodensoul: the time it took to load the plugin is the only time it takes to find them. i have no idea (or nobody else does because they didnt answer) why they come up as ? marks |
| 03:11:07 | webguest47 | they probably aren't named properly. what player do you have? |
| 03:11:24 | woodensoul | I have both folder.jpg and cover.bmp files in all my folders. But the bmps are cover.237x237.bmp. |
| 03:11:33 | woodensoul | Gigabeat F |
| 03:11:50 | webguest47 | yep, that should be it, make them 100 by 100, i think? it works for me 100 by 100 |
| 03:12:15 | woodensoul | Can i just put another bmp in each folder named cover.100x100.bmp? |
| 03:13:20 | safetydan | ah, 237x237 is way too big. Maximum right now is 100x100 |
| 03:13:27 | webguest47 | well, i have an ipod nano and therefore all my music is in 3 folders randomly named and scrambled. All I did is place the art at the root of the folders and named them the name of the albums, thats it! |
| 03:14:03 | woodensoul | What a cool feature. |
| 03:14:11 | woodensoul | Doing 100x100 bmps now. |
| 03:14:16 | myusrnm | ok, so i've tried to play an mp4 movie and my ipod goes into trying to play it as a music file and failing |
| 03:14:47 | webguest47 | rockbox only supports mpeg videos |
| 03:15:04 | woodensoul | Can you queue albums the same why as in the database with the PictureFlow feature? |
| 03:15:31 | safetydan | myusrnm: you need to convert your videos to MPEG1/2 |
| 03:16:18 | myusrnm | hmm, all my stuff is in mp4 from earlier |
| 03:16:34 | webguest47 | yes, and that won't work in rockbox |
| 03:16:35 | myusrnm | well, when is mp4 support planned? |
| 03:16:45 | myusrnm | or at least avi or mov? |
| 03:16:46 | webguest47 | um, probably never |
| 03:16:47 | safetydan | myusrnm: probably never. |
| 03:16:57 | webguest47 | same answers!?! |
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| 03:17:43 | jott | the patch for albums >100x100 is in the queue.. Nico_P will review/commit it tomorrow |
| 03:17:47 | myusrnm | why not? it should be standard, if it's capable of playing more files it's going to be a more accessible player to the markets |
| 03:17:52 | myusrnm | one other thing |
| 03:18:00 | myusrnm | can rockbox play ogg? |
| 03:18:03 | safetydan | myusrnm: you have to resize them for playback anyway, so why not format convert at the same time? |
| 03:18:09 | safetydan | myusrnm: yes it can play ogg |
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| 03:18:51 | safetydan | myusrnm: see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status for a list of supported audio formats |
| 03:19:08 | myusrnm | thank you |
| 03:19:10 | woodensoul | Good news jott. :) |
| 03:19:12 | webguest47 | this is my first time using IRC and i think I will return since its better than slowpoke forums. So, see everybody later |
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| 03:20:04 | myusrnm | Can't play any of my Impulse Tracker files :( |
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| 03:20:32 | woodensoul | I guess the album art has to be named cover.bmp, not cover.100x100.bmp? |
| 03:20:55 | psycho_maniac | i know it has to be named cover.bmp not sure about the 100x100 parrt |
| 03:21:24 | jott | woodensoul: should not matter.. |
| 03:21:47 | woodensoul | It's not working with cover.100x100.bmp and cover.237x237.bmp both in each folder. |
| 03:21:52 | jott | hmm |
| 03:22:08 | jott | it *should* :/ |
| 03:22:32 | woodensoul | The notes on the commit says it will take some time the first time |
| 03:22:42 | psycho_maniac | rename to cover.bmp and see what happens |
| 03:23:02 | woodensoul | yeah, trying that now |
| 03:23:16 | jott | woodensoul: yes all artworks are cached and stored in .rockbox/plugins/demo/pictureflow/ |
| 03:23:24 | jott | flush the dir to recreate the cache.. |
| 03:23:37 | woodensoul | Flush the dircache you mean? |
| 03:23:50 | jott | no.. actually just remove the file .rockbox/plugins/demo/pictureflow/ready |
| 03:24:43 | woodensoul | actually it |
| 03:24:43 | jott | the next commit will have an option to do this in the menu :) |
| 03:25:05 | woodensoul | it's rocks/demos |
| 03:25:10 | jott | er yeah.. |
| 03:25:12 | jott | sorry |
| 03:25:13 | woodensoul | now it's working after deleting that file |
| 03:25:19 | psycho_maniac | will the be a wiki page for pictureflow? |
| 03:25:35 | jott | psycho_maniac: create one :) |
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| 03:25:36 | safetydan | psycho_maniac: why not start one? |
| 03:25:38 | woodensoul | thanks for the help, sweet new feature |
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| 03:26:15 | woodensoul | is it in the works to be able to queue albums via this plugin or is it just eye candy? |
| 03:26:26 | jott | woodensoul: yeah it's planned |
| 03:26:52 | woodensoul | it works great |
| 03:27:04 | kugel | some people are having problems? |
| 03:27:14 | kugel | ?=! |
| 03:27:21 | psycho_maniac | safetydan: because i dont know anything about the plugin |
| 03:27:22 | woodensoul | the only problem i see so far is if the album art isn't square, i.e. for a box set artwork |
| 03:27:49 | kugel | do the album arts need to be special, like a certain resolution? |
| 03:28:02 | psycho_maniac | max is 100x100 so ive read |
| 03:28:06 | preet | safetydan: that was a pretty big help... i cant seem to figure out how to view different targets though. |
| 03:28:07 | jott | kugel: until tomorrow only up to 100x100 |
| 03:28:30 | kugel | ok |
| 03:28:45 | woodensoul | Alright guys, I'm out. Thanks for the help. |
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| 03:31:55 | preet | Is there any way to search the SVN repositories |
| 03:36:24 | kugel | search for what? |
| 03:37:50 | jott | meaning of life, the universe and everything? |
| 03:39:04 | preet | if only =) ... just searching for a specific target, the iRiver H10 |
| 03:39:07 | kugel | the picture flow is great |
| 03:39:26 | kugel | but, I don't really like the sorting |
| 03:40:42 | kugel | I'd like to have the sorting configurable, since I prefer to sort after album artist |
| 03:43:38 | kugel | just take that as a note, I know it's early in developement. but anyway, thanks for this great feature |
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| 04:00:10 | psycho_maniac | man this picture flow plugin is gonna be cool. i only had one cover.bmp file on my gigabeat but on my ipod every album i own has a cover.bmp file :) cant wait |
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| 04:06:22 | preet | just asking again... Is there anyway to search the SVN repositories for a specific target? |
| 04:06:29 | psycho_maniac | shoot just realized that my album art is not 100x100 :( |
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| 04:16:28 | safetydan | preet: what exactly would you be searching for? |
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| 04:20:28 | crzyboyster | does anyone know of a way to take a bunch of mp3s with album art embedded and extract out the album art into files? i need this to continue using itunes and use pictureflow |
| 04:20:53 | safetydan | crzyboyster: there's a script somewhere on the wiki |
| 04:21:00 | psycho_maniac | crzyboyster: did you check the wiki? |
| 04:21:13 | safetydan | crzyboyster: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt#Using_embedded_iTunes_cover_art |
| 04:22:36 | crzyboyster | sorry about that! i'll try that out right now |
| 04:23:03 | crzyboyster | and by the way psycho_maniac, what have you done with the ipod video version of cabbie 2.0 so far? |
| 04:24:27 | psycho_maniac | why do you ask? |
| 04:28:35 | crzyboyster | just wondering |
| 04:28:54 | psycho_maniac | the only graphics i can do is paint.exe :( |
| 04:29:43 | crzyboyster | also, i installed mediamonkey and then go to http://trixmoto.net/mm/scripts.php?id=1 to get the script, but it's nowhere to be seen! I click on the support forum link and am lead to a bunch of code. What do I do with that code to install it? |
| 04:33:10 | crzyboyster | ok, i'm getting somewher |
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| 04:34:28 | Soaa | Hi all. |
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| 04:35:19 | Soaa | Hello everybody. :D |
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| 04:36:20 | psycho_maniac | hello |
| 04:38:25 | crzyboyster | Wassup :D |
| 04:38:45 | psycho_maniac | i was actually saying hello to Soaa but he left in a hurry. |
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| 04:40:31 | safetydan | I think people don't quite grasp the asynchronous nature of IRC. |
| 04:40:47 | psycho_maniac | they think its like instant messaging |
| 04:41:03 | preet | safetydan: looking for logs for files that cater to the iRiver H10 |
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| 04:41:41 | preet | like the first link you sent me pertaining to the mr500, but for the iRiver instead... since its similar to the mr100 i was hoping i could learn some stuff |
| 04:42:03 | Soaa_ | Hello all. |
| 04:42:38 | psycho_maniac | how well does the picture flow plugin work on the ipod5g? seems pretty slow but, i compared it to the gigabeat ;) |
| 04:42:44 | psycho_maniac | hello Soaa |
| 04:44:08 | psycho_maniac | 80fps compared to i think less then 30fps |
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| 04:52:35 | safetydan | preet: well the H10 is a portalplayer chip so it's probably the -pp.c file in the same directory |
| 04:52:48 | safetydan | you might want to checkout the source and learn the layout of the tree |
| 04:54:35 | Soaa_ | Hiya. :D |
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| 04:54:54 | Soaa_ | Big thanks to everyone who made PictureFlow a reality. |
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| 04:55:20 | Soaa_ | Now... for touch-ups and integration... |
| 04:55:56 | Llorean | It's unlikely to be integrated to the core. |
| 04:56:04 | psycho_maniac | Soaa_: alright. get started. |
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| 04:56:27 | Soaa_ | ...D: I can't code. |
| 04:56:40 | Llorean | Soaa_: nobody can code when they're born. books are out there for a reason. :) |
| 04:56:48 | Soaa_ | I know that. : |
| 04:56:49 | Soaa_ | :) |
| 04:57:16 | Soaa_ | My initial attempts to hack pressure sensitivity into the gigabeat's touchpad epicly failed. |
| 04:57:44 | Soaa_ | I think PictureFlow would be truly awesome as an extension to the file browser/database. |
| 04:58:04 | Soaa_ | I mean, it isn't much use to leave it as a demo plugin... :P |
| 04:58:18 | safetydan | well that's pretty much where it will stay |
| 04:58:20 | Llorean | So add the ability for it to start playback. |
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| 04:58:39 | Llorean | there's absolutely no reason why clicking an album in the plugin shouldn't launch playback of that album, without any integration of pictureflow into the core. |
| 04:58:43 | safetydan | it's unlikely to be integrated in to the core without a change in project philosophy |
| 04:58:49 | safetydan | Llorean: true |
| 04:59:08 | Llorean | safetydan: At which point one could, in theory, add a smaller feature to database that allows Plugins as filters |
| 04:59:41 | Llorean | Then you can integrate Pictureflow, or other things, via tagnavi without throwing all kinds of crazy stuff into the core. |
| 04:59:58 | Soaa_ | That's exactly what I was thinking! o: |
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| 05:01:00 | Llorean | safetydan: Plugins accept parameters, and can return values, right? |
| 05:01:14 | Llorean | Well, obviously "yes" to the first part, since they can be viewers |
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| 05:02:03 | Soaa_ | See, my idea was to turn PictureFlow into a "folder viewer"... |
| 05:02:22 | Llorean | Which makes no real sense. |
| 05:02:37 | Llorean | Generally speaking, a folder will have one album's worth of songs in it, or multiple folders in it. |
| 05:02:54 | Llorean | It's much more suitable for use with the database somehow |
| 05:03:01 | psycho_maniac | I agree |
| 05:03:24 | Soaa_ | Odd, it does make sense to me. It would then behave more or less like Leopard's Finder. |
| 05:03:34 | Soaa_ | But of course, it makes sense in tagnavi too. |
| 05:03:43 | Soaa_ | Since RB is music oriented. |
| 05:04:13 | Llorean | Soaa_: How would it work in the filetree, at all? Very few individual files will have distinct album artwork within a folders... |
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| 05:04:56 | Soaa_ | It would use the album art in the same way as the WPS. |
| 05:05:29 | Llorean | That doesn't answer my question. |
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| 05:05:50 | Llorean | If you entered the "Razor's Edge" folder, you'd have some dozen songs or so, all associated with the same album art image |
| 05:05:54 | Llorean | not a particularly useful feature, at all |
| 05:06:08 | Soaa_ | I find it most useful for picture viewing. |
| 05:06:20 | Soaa_ | Which would make sense with the name 'PictureFlow' too. |
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| 05:07:16 | Soaa_ | (that's in context of pictureflow within the file browser) |
| 05:07:30 | Llorean | So, in other words, in a firmware intended for music listening, you think it would be a good use of space as a feature nearly only useful when applied to folders of images? |
| 05:07:47 | Llorean | Why not simply add it as a part of the jpeg / image viewer? |
| 05:07:56 | Soaa_ | Naturally, if it's going to be integrated into anything, DataBase would be the most logical way to start. |
| 05:08:01 | Llorean | Since it can already move from file to file within a folder, it could have a secondary mode where it could "Flow" those images |
| 05:08:57 | JamFish | is there anyway I can get involved in development of the Rockbox port to the Sansa e250? |
| 05:09:10 | Llorean | JamFish: Simple. Just do it. :) |
| 05:09:21 | Llorean | All you have to do to contribute is work on whatever you like, and post patches to the tracker |
| 05:09:23 | Soaa_ | See, I think making devices as pure music players is somewhat an outdated concept now... Players are now mostly 'media' players, which treat music, pictures and videos, or more. |
| 05:09:41 | Soaa_ | Of course, RB is music oriented. |
| 05:09:51 | JamFish | Llorean: ok...thank you :) |
| 05:09:59 | Llorean | Soaa_: Even then, the "File Browser" shouldn't necessarily be a multimedia experience |
| 05:10:02 | Soaa_ | But it surely can't hurt to make it more than purely music oriented. |
| 05:10:06 | Llorean | Soaa_: Again, why shouldn't it just be part of the image viewer? |
| 05:10:15 | Soaa_ | That would make sense too. |
| 05:10:27 | Llorean | Why should the file browser, which is part of the core binary and always in RAM, waste space on an image-only feature? |
| 05:10:38 | psycho_maniac | file browser should always be what it says. for browsing files |
| 05:10:50 | Soaa_ | But making it both part of the image viewer and the database would mean a double implementation of the same thing. |
| 05:11:05 | Llorean | Soaa_: In plugins, where it doesn't cost anything but a small amount of a rather large disk. |
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| 05:11:39 | Soaa_ | Wouldn't it mean redundant code though? |
| 05:11:45 | Llorean | So? |
| 05:12:25 | Soaa_ | If one side gets an improvement, it would need to be transferred to the other side. Wouldn't it be ideal to make it once, and use it wherever it makes sense? |
| 05:12:35 | Llorean | That's what plugin libraries are for. |
| 05:12:44 | Llorean | You don't have to write it multiple times to include it in multiple places. |
| 05:12:54 | Soaa_ | Now we're making sense. |
| 05:13:07 | Llorean | We never weren't, you were just missing that aspect. |
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| 05:13:37 | Llorean | None of that means including it in the core, still. |
| 05:13:41 | Soaa_ | I misunderstood, that's all. |
| 05:13:53 | Soaa_ | I know that, I understand that it would be heavy in the core too. |
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| 05:14:06 | Llorean | Not heavy, just wasteful. |
| 05:14:30 | Soaa_ | My idea of making it a "folder viewer" wouldn't mean integrating it into core either. It would just be, as you said, a plugin. |
| 05:14:51 | Soaa_ | Then again, wasteful is only if it's used where inappropriate. |
| 05:15:13 | Llorean | If you wanted it as a plugin, why did you go back to saying "within the file browser" again? |
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| 05:15:40 | Llorean | Either it's in the file browser, or it's not. As I suggested, it could be part of the image viewer, which would then mean a folder full of images could be "flowed", which sounds an awful lot like what you're back to suggesting |
| 05:16:55 | Soaa_ | I never said it would be integrated -within- the file browser, I figured it would be most logical as an extension to the file browser, in the form of a folder viewing plugin. |
| 05:17:51 | Llorean | Well, you described it as "pictureflow within the file browser" and I pretty much depend on what you type to mean what it says. |
| 05:18:36 | Soaa_ | Sorry, I don't think exactly the way the code works. I'm just a plain English guy. :P |
| 05:18:54 | Llorean | "Within" kinda means "within" in plain English too... |
| 05:19:21 | Soaa_ | I meant "within" as "launched from within"... |
| 05:19:24 | Llorean | That's I assume why you highlighted 'within' as the word you "never said" in your previous statement. Either way, I think we're in agreement about how it can be used. |
| 05:19:41 | Soaa_ | Effectively. |
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| 05:27:29 | woodensoul | OK, I'm back with more PictureFlow problems. It worked a minute. Now all it says is "could not load the empty slide" "plugin returned error." Any ideas? |
| 05:28:40 | psycho_maniac | what did you do before you got that? |
| 05:29:42 | woodensoul | Well it worked for a little bit on my Gigabeat F20, then after running disktidy, it wouldn't work, but now I've attempted to get it working on my F40 and I get the same message even though I never ran disktidy. |
| 05:33:04 | woodensoul | I see emptyslide.pfraw in the pictureflow folder. |
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| 05:37:07 | Llorean | safetydan: I'd bet money that Doom could work, with music, on the iPods with optimization, one day, but this is more gut than anything. |
| 05:38:06 | Llorean | It ran fine on 33mhz and I believe slower 386s, and while that's a different situation entirely, I'm betting we still have the edge in available CPU power. :) |
| 05:40:29 | Soaa_ | It's funny, I have the problem too. It's quite annoying. It works for a bit, then stops working. |
| 05:40:52 | woodensoul | Soaa_: PictureFlow? |
| 05:40:59 | Soaa_ | Yeah. |
| 05:41:13 | safetydan | Llorean: true, but better to set expectations too low than too high :) |
| 05:41:39 | Llorean | safetydan: Absolutely fair. I'm more betting on "nobody will bother" than "it can't be done" :) |
| 05:41:48 | safetydan | also, wasn't the MIDI playback in doom dependant on midi hardware on the soundcard? |
| 05:41:57 | Llorean | I don't believe so. |
| 05:42:04 | Llorean | But I could very well be wrong |
| 05:42:13 | Llorean | It's been a very, very long time. |
| 05:43:56 | safetydan | Llorean: some poking around leads me to believe that's the case. I certainly couldn't play it with music on my old 486SX33 with no sound card :) |
| 05:44:23 | safetydan | if doom had software midi playback we might have been able to borrow some of that code, though I suppose it'd some deep x86 magic or something |
| 05:44:46 | Llorean | I thought some of the older midi opts came from the Doom code |
| 05:44:55 | Llorean | Someone said it used MIDI for the sound effects too? |
| 05:45:16 | * | Llorean could be in some crazy land tonight |
| 05:46:08 | woodensoul | Well the PictureFlow plugin looks promising but it a bit buggy at the moment. |
| 05:46:32 | Soaa_ | woodensoul, did you see my conversation with Llorean earlier? |
| 05:46:46 | woodensoul | Had it working for a little while on my F40, rebooted, no longer works. |
| 05:46:51 | woodensoul | Soaa_: no |
| 05:47:08 | Soaa_ | We were basically discussion on how to harness its power. |
| 05:47:27 | woodensoul | A few things I've noticed... |
| 05:47:32 | woodensoul | no scrolling text yet |
| 05:47:55 | woodensoul | plugin only loads correctly sometimes |
| 05:47:58 | Soaa_ | And we came to an agreement that ideally, it should be a plugin that can be called by the tagnavi. |
| 05:48:16 | woodensoul | config file? |
| 05:48:32 | Soaa_ | If it doesn't work, try deleting "ready" in /.rockbox/rocks/pictureflow/. |
| 05:49:05 | Soaa_ | It's odd, I have this one album art file that refuses to show up in PF. |
| 05:49:05 | psycho_maniac | i have to go it seems later then it is for me |
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| 05:49:22 | woodensoul | But it wasn't working even when the ready file wasn't there. |
| 05:49:42 | Soaa_ | Hmm... |
| 05:49:47 | woodensoul | It loaded fine on my F40 after some playing around, then after a reboot it won't load. |
| 05:49:50 | Soaa_ | Are your album art files in 100x100? |
| 05:49:55 | Soaa_ | Ohh. |
| 05:50:03 | Soaa_ | Try deleting that pictureflow folder altogether. |
| 05:50:28 | woodensoul | I tried that also. |
| 05:50:43 | Soaa_ | Same error? |
| 05:50:53 | woodensoul | it has worked on both my F20 and F40, so I know the .bmp files aren't the problem |
| 05:51:07 | Soaa_ | Hmm, I'm as stumped as you are then. |
| 05:51:16 | woodensoul | I tried turning dircache, on/off and rebooting, no luck. |
| 05:52:04 | woodensoul | i guess it can't see the emptyslide.pfraw file all the time |
| 05:52:33 | Soaa_ | Odd. |
| 05:54:31 | Soaa_ | Try this. |
| 05:54:33 | Soaa_ | Plug in USB. |
| 05:54:36 | Soaa_ | Unplug USB. |
| 05:54:39 | Soaa_ | Then try it again. |
| 05:55:01 | Soaa_ | .......this cover just DOESN'T want to show up... >_> |
| 05:55:18 | woodensoul | I think that might do it, because the only time I got it to work on the F40 was right after unplugging it from USB. |
| 05:55:52 | Soaa_ | I'm sure it will work, however, it sure is an annoying way to make it work. |
| 05:56:30 | woodensoul | Well it's really only eye candy right now anyhow |
| 05:57:16 | Soaa_ | True that. |
| 05:57:33 | Soaa_ | Extending it to a more versatile plugin would be great though. |
| 05:57:44 | woodensoul | Once you can queue just like in the database/file browser it will be more useful to me. |
| 05:58:55 | Soaa_ | Certainly. |
| 05:58:59 | Soaa_ | And iPodkiller too. |
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| 06:06:30 | ravve | Can you guys recommend any software for fetching album art automaticallly? |
| 06:07:14 | safetydan | ravve: not really a Rockbox specific question, but this might help http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt#Cover_art_downloading |
| 06:07:57 | ravve | Awesome, exactly what I needed (the iTunes one). Thanks! |
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| 06:15:37 | Soaa_ | Woot, look ay my video. http://youtube.com/watch?v=CraTjPOt5lQ |
| 06:15:42 | Soaa_ | at* |
| 06:16:27 | JdGordon | haha nice :p |
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| 06:16:59 | Soaa_ | Soaa likes PictureFlow. |
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| 06:22:14 | woodensoul | Is that a F20? |
| 06:22:20 | Soaa_ | Yeah. |
| 06:22:37 | woodensoul | I got one of those on eBay for 55 bucks. |
| 06:22:42 | Soaa_ | Nice. |
| 06:22:50 | Soaa_ | I got mine during Boxing Day two years ago. |
| 06:22:57 | Soaa_ | $250. But it was well worth it. |
| 06:23:07 | woodensoul | Granted it has some dents and scratches, but the screen is fine and the battery lasts too. |
| 06:23:39 | Soaa_ | Ahh. |
| 06:23:51 | Soaa_ | I think you can get a brand new for around $100 nowadays. |
| 06:23:54 | woodensoul | Boxing Day? I also got a brand new F40 for 70 something on eBay. The seller incorrectly listed it as without a battery so I'm guessing that's why the bidding didn't go so high. |
| 06:23:56 | Soaa_ | Nobody wants 'em. |
| 06:24:28 | woodensoul | I wish I could get an 80GB HDD or higher for a reasonable price to throw in the F40. |
| 06:24:33 | Soaa_ | Ahh. |
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| 06:24:53 | Soaa_ | Well I got mine two years ago, I don't think it was possible to get them at that price back then :P |
| 06:26:09 | woodensoul | http://cgi.ebay.com/Silicone-Case-for-Gigabeat-F10-F20-MP3-Player-Clear_W0QQitemZ260176583894QQihZ016QQcategoryZ86534QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem#ShippingPayment |
| 06:26:21 | woodensoul | if you don't have one of these, they are pretty nice for 10 bucks |
| 06:26:32 | Soaa_ | I like my player slim. :P |
| 06:26:34 | woodensoul | he wants 8 to ship |
| 06:26:40 | Soaa_ | I just stuck a screen protector on it. |
| 06:27:54 | woodensoul | Me too. I like the size of my Sansa e280, but 8GB isn't much so I'm patiently awaiting the release of 32GB cards to throw in there. |
| 06:28:06 | Soaa_ | Oh yeeees. |
| 06:28:28 | woodensoul | Did you ever run the stock Toshiba firmware? |
| 06:29:06 | Soaa_ | Before Rockbox was successfully ported, yes. |
| 06:29:25 | Soaa_ | I dropped it completely right when audio worked. |
| 06:29:44 | Soaa_ | Development was slow/non-existant for about a year, then it all happened so fast. |
| 06:30:05 | Soaa_ | Boot. Button and LCD drivers. Sound. Bam, done. |
| 06:31:04 | woodensoul | I can't believe the .sat encryption BS |
| 06:31:32 | woodensoul | One of the reasons I like rockbox so much is that it lets the user be in total control of how to store your music |
| 06:31:45 | Soaa_ | Actually, I didn't mind it too much. |
| 06:31:59 | Soaa_ | To me, I just dump my stuff onto the gigabeat via room. |
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| 06:32:02 | Soaa_ | Then I play. |
| 06:32:04 | Soaa_ | That's it. |
| 06:32:26 | Soaa_ | Of course, RB is much better than the original FW in nearly all aspects. |
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| 06:32:47 | Soaa_ | I liked the original's picture browser, but then again, the pictures were converted too. |
| 06:32:54 | Soaa_ | And there was no zooming. |
| 06:33:08 | woodensoul | what about transferring files from the player, impossible with encryption |
| 06:33:58 | Soaa_ | WMP11. |
| 06:34:23 | Soaa_ | You can easily decrypt a whole collection using WMP11. |
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| 06:34:30 | Soaa_ | Hi Soap. :D |
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| 06:36:28 | Sol-2 | anyone around? |
| 06:36:34 | Soaa_ | Me. |
| 06:36:34 | Soaa_ | :D |
| 06:37:04 | Sol-2 | you wouldn't happen to have any idea why the 95 files I just transferred won't show up, would you? |
| 06:37:22 | Llorean | Because you aren't looking in the right place, in the right way. |
| 06:37:23 | Soaa_ | No idea. Did you safely eject your player? |
| 06:37:47 | Sol-2 | I haven't made any changes to Rockbox outside of adding themes; and yes, I did eject it safely |
| 06:37:57 | Sol-2 | what do you suggest Llorean? |
| 06:38:05 | Llorean | Sol-2: I don't know, you haven't really given me any information. |
| 06:38:13 | Llorean | Did you add them by dragging and dropping them in a file browser? |
| 06:38:16 | Llorean | What player do you have? |
| 06:38:33 | Sol-2 | ipod 5.5 g video |
| 06:38:35 | Sol-2 | 80 gb |
| 06:38:44 | Sol-2 | transferred using Winamp |
| 06:39:00 | Llorean | Winamp probably did the crazy renaming thing that it does for the apple firmware |
| 06:39:10 | Sol-2 | the files show up in the default firmware, but not in Rockbox |
| 06:39:15 | Sol-2 | yeah, it does do that |
| 06:39:18 | Llorean | Then it definitely did the crazy renaming |
| 06:39:25 | Llorean | You'll have to update the Rockbox database to find them |
| 06:39:33 | Sol-2 | how would I go about doing that? |
| 06:39:39 | Llorean | See the manual, under Database |
| 06:41:41 | Sol-2 | found it |
| 06:41:43 | Sol-2 | thanks a lot! |
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| 06:50:35 | BigBambi | Alright chaps, quick SVN question - the internet I'm on here doesn't let me get at SVN (I'm guessing blocked ports), is it possible to update over http? |
| 06:53:35 | Soaa_ | ......sorry, I don't know. |
| 06:55:42 | Sol-2 | SVN = ? |
| 06:55:58 | Soaa_ | Subversion. You get the latest source code from there. |
| 06:58:33 | perrikwp | here's a link to Rockbox source code in a tar.bz2: http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2 |
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| 07:01:01 | BigBambi | perrikwp: yeah I know thanks, but it is a bit of a pain and doesn't maintain svn histories (also a bit of a pain for my patches) |
| 07:04:04 | Soaa_ | Hey guys, is anyone currently known to be working on viewports? |
| 07:04:28 | BigBambi | Soaa_: linuxstb made a start |
| 07:04:42 | Soaa_ | Really? That's cool. |
| 07:04:52 | BigBambi | But I don't know how far he got, I've been away for a few days |
| 07:04:56 | Soaa_ | Ahh. |
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| 07:05:00 | Soaa_ | When did he start? |
| 07:05:24 | JdGordon | i dont know if he is any further than just docs still |
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| 07:05:31 | Soaa_ | Hmm. |
| 07:05:39 | Soaa_ | I'm reading some specs on his site. |
| 07:05:43 | BigBambi | Damn cgi::irc |
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| 07:06:04 | BigBambi | Grrr! |
| 07:06:09 | Soaa_ | I wish for antialiased fonts and compositing, but the devs would surely disagree. :( |
| 07:06:16 | BigBambi | Indeed so |
| 07:06:21 | BigBambi | We don't have the power for it |
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| 07:06:29 | Soaa_ | Maybe not antialiased fonts though. |
| 07:08:30 | Soaa_ | Okay well, off to sleep I go. :) |
| 07:08:36 | Soaa_ | Good night everybody. |
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| 07:27:04 | Morgan555 | Hi, questin I dont see on the rockbox page, will Rockbox add Shuffle to my H10? |
| 07:28:50 | Llorean | Rockbox does what Rockbox does. It's not an addition or modification to the original firmware |
| 07:28:58 | Llorean | Rockbox has a shuffle feature, as described in the manual |
| 07:29:09 | Morgan555 | cool |
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| 07:39:15 | Morgan555 | am I reading the directions right, all I have to do is copy the .mi4 file to the System folder? |
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| 07:43:13 | ravon | Is there any way to interrupt the database commit when starting? |
| 07:43:28 | ravon | It keeps shutting the player down at 3/9 :/ |
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| 07:43:55 | JdGordon | connect it to the computer and delete the .idx files and rebuild it |
| 07:44:11 | ravon | I'd do that if I had the cable here :) |
| 07:44:33 | Llorean | Reset settings. |
| 07:44:41 | ravon | There, it went through now. |
| 07:44:54 | ravon | Can't reset since I can't enter the player ;) |
| 07:45:00 | Llorean | Yes, you can. |
| 07:45:06 | Llorean | It happens before the database build. |
| 07:45:15 | ravon | Hmmmmm |
| 07:45:29 | Llorean | Each player has a button (or hold switch) that you can hold down or on that will cause it to clear on boot |
| 07:45:43 | ravon | oooh, sweet, I did not know that. I need to read up on the docs. |
| 07:48:20 | Morgan555 | I am having a hard time understanding how to install rockbox, getting confused by the directions |
| 07:48:55 | Morgan555 | I tried replacing the .m14 file and when I reloaded I got a rockbox error screen |
| 07:49:17 | Llorean | Morgan555: Did you install the build too, and not just the bootloader? |
| 07:50:15 | Morgan555 | thats where I am getitng confused then |
| 07:50:45 | Llorean | Why? |
| 07:50:53 | Llorean | Or rather, what part has you confused? |
| 07:51:30 | Llorean | If you're doing the manual install, you have to do both the "Installing the Firmware" and "Installing the Bootloader" bits in the manual |
| 07:53:19 | Morgan555 | I guess I am trying the maual install, I am not getting the rockbox loader thing, it was just a compressed file when I opened it it had a bunch of .qm extensions I have never seen before |
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| 07:53:54 | Llorean | How do you not know which install you're doing? |
| 07:53:54 | SirBob1701 | what program should i use in ubuntu to convert avi's to mpg's that can play on a gigabeat f rockbox? |
| 07:54:03 | Llorean | Morgan555: You're reading the manual, right? |
| 07:54:24 | Llorean | SirBob1701: See the PluginMpegplayer page, and be aware most things you can apt-get install may have MP3 support removed. |
| 07:54:40 | SirBob1701 | Llorean: ok |
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| 07:55:41 | Morgan555 | yeah, I admitl to having poor reading comprehension skills |
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| 08:14:54 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
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| 08:15:25 | mrkiko | Hi all! 'm very happy today - for the first day rockbox crashed in autobus, but pressing play the playerrebooted! ehehehe! Happyness! |
| 08:15:35 | mrkiko | good... I'm very satisfied with this... |
| 08:15:54 | mrkiko | And so this is not a derisory sentence... |
| 08:18:00 | mrkiko | * player rebooted* |
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| 08:28:14 | mrkiko | rockbox ... Really rocks! |
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| 08:30:26 | Mouser_X | Indeed. |
| 08:30:27 | bill | hello. does anyone know how to mount ipod 5th gen video in ubuntu? |
| 08:30:39 | Mouser_X | Carfully? |
| 08:30:56 | JdGordon | haha |
| 08:31:42 | bill | I'm not sure of the mount point |
| 08:31:50 | * | Llorean resisted saying "Buy it dinner first" for fear of being too crude. |
| 08:31:59 | bill | I can provide dmesg |
| 08:32:03 | Llorean | bill: It should mount automatically to /media/IPOD normally |
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| 08:34:08 | bill | Llorean - im plugging it in and it's not mounting...any idea? |
| 08:34:39 | JdGordon | whats dmesg | tail |
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| 08:36:02 | bill | dmesg | tail is http://www.pastebin.ca/810762 |
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| 08:36:49 | Llorean | bill: Is your computer USB 2.0, and are you plugging directly into it? |
| 08:37:00 | bill | yes |
| 08:37:28 | JdGordon | try $ sudo rmmod ohci_hcd |
| 08:37:45 | JdGordon | maybe ehci_hcd... one of them |
| 08:37:50 | JdGordon | worked for me when i had problems |
| 08:38:16 | bill | ok, did sudo rmmod ohci_hcd - what now? |
| 08:38:34 | JdGordon | replug it in |
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| 08:40:32 | bill | nothing |
| 08:41:23 | Mouser_X | Throw the iPod against the wall? Someone else did that when "Rockbox bricked [his] iPod!" |
| 08:41:31 | Mouser_X | Though, I wouldn't expect that to work. |
| 08:42:00 | Mouser_X | It also cracked his screen. |
| 08:42:39 | bill | its not bricked - just cant mount it |
| 08:42:56 | Mouser_X | Ah, good point. |
| 08:43:01 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 08:43:15 | JdGordon | modrpobe ehci_hcd (or the one you removed) and remove the other one |
| 08:43:33 | JdGordon | bill: out of curiosity.. what mnotherboard do you have? |
| 08:44:24 | bill | motherboard? no idea SiS something |
| 08:44:30 | bill | older box |
| 08:44:42 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 08:46:58 | mrkiko | Are we up-to-date with the APE codec? |
| 08:48:45 | Llorean | The APE codec's too slow to really be usable anyway |
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| 08:49:10 | amiconn | Llorean: That depends on the target |
| 08:49:43 | Llorean | Well, on the Gigabeat it's reasonable, I guess. |
| 08:50:29 | Llorean | But even then, I imagine if people are going to be using it, it'd (generally speaking) be strange not to use it at maximum compression |
| 08:51:36 | amiconn | On cf it's usable up to -c2000, on gigabeat f/x up to -c3000 |
| 08:51:52 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecMonkeysAudio |
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| 08:53:38 | mrkiko | Is it still true rockbox saves settings on a block on the hard - disk? |
| 08:53:46 | mrkiko | I was believing it actually reads - writes config.cfg |
| 08:55:23 | JdGordon | no, config.cfg is used now |
| 08:55:39 | JdGordon | it hasnt used the config block for at least 6 months already |
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| 08:57:36 | mrkiko | And... does rockbox actually touch the ROM to save settings as described on some WIKIs? |
| 08:57:40 | JdGordon | 11 months even |
| 08:57:53 | JdGordon | only on the archos targets |
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| 08:58:06 | mrkiko | ok... |
| 08:58:09 | mrkiko | Now I understand... |
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| 08:59:06 | berlinbullet | hello all |
| 08:59:15 | mrkiko | berlinbullet: hi! |
| 08:59:41 | berlinbullet | how is everyone this evening |
| 08:59:56 | GodEater_ | or morning... |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:02 | berlinbullet | good call |
| 09:00:22 | Mouser_X | Or dead of night. |
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| 09:00:51 | berlinbullet | i just got news our campus is closed tomorrow because of the ice storms, so im messin around with rockbox a bit |
| 09:01:37 | berlinbullet | kind of ran into a weird thing where some themes dont display the WPS right.. they just put text and the peakmeter in there |
| 09:02:15 | Mouser_X | berlinbullet: That's the default WPS you're seeing. |
| 09:02:21 | pradin | Any Wiki pages describing the port progress of the Zune? |
| 09:02:29 | GodEater_ | pradin: there is no progress |
| 09:02:36 | GodEater_ | no-one is working on it |
| 09:02:44 | DogBoy | lol |
| 09:02:47 | Mouser_X | The WPS that you're attempting to load is broken, and therefore Rockbox reverts to the default. |
| 09:03:01 | berlinbullet | ah, gotcha.. would it do that if i didnt have certain patches in possibly? |
| 09:03:14 | mrkiko | Is a port for the Zune in progress? |
| 09:03:14 | pradin | too bad, I was going to send Bill Gates a Zune with Rockbox installed on it. |
| 09:03:17 | Mouser_X | *broken, or incompatible with a "standard" Rockbox build. |
| 09:03:27 | GodEater_ | mrkiko: did you not read what I just said ? |
| 09:03:53 | mrkiko | GodEater_: infact my question was wanting to act as a confirm |
| 09:04:18 | mrkiko | GodEater_: aniway, unfortunately, it may happen I lose some lines... |
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| 09:11:13 | mrkiko | Ehy.. actually it seems rockbox has a good number of users |
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| 09:19:18 | lemur | preglow: that's ok |
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| 09:24:20 | nukeu666 | question: in the equalizer there are 3 things, gain, frequency...whats the 3rd thing (1.0 Q)? |
| 09:26:38 | ze | Q is sortof like bandwidth i think |
| 09:26:49 | ze | my understanding is it defines a curve, higher value == sharper/narrower |
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| 09:29:09 | nukeu666 | hmm...i notice some sound tearing in the midrange sounds, espcially in classical music(crossroads XB earphones)...so should i be tinkering with gain or Q ? |
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| 09:43:17 | safetydan_ | nukeu666, q changes how wide the area of effect is. There's an explanation in the manual I think. |
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| 09:44:46 | mrkiko | sorry all - someone simply disconnected the ethernet cable :) |
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| 09:46:10 | mrkiko | Within rockbox*.zip automatically built files, you distribute KNOWN_ISSUES.txt; are infos reported on this file true again' |
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| 10:15:36 | TroyMc | I have a question, what is the best way to triple boot rockbox, linux, and apple OS, would that still be the application managaer? |
| 10:16:00 | Llorean | Application Manager? |
| 10:16:20 | GodEater_ | I would say Loader2, which we don't support here |
| 10:18:42 | TroyMc | kk... hmm i shall do some more research... |
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| 10:21:49 | * | Crash91 volunteers to do the cabbie 2 theme for the video |
| 10:23:47 | GodEater_ | good - get on with it then ;) |
| 10:24:13 | mrkiko | do you plan to do it while in the class-room? |
| 10:24:16 | Crash91 | GodEater_: Yessir! In in school at the moment....ill start on it in about 7 hours |
| 10:24:37 | mrkiko | ehehehe :) |
| 10:24:51 | Crash91 | mrkiko: i am lost here...no photoshop at my disposal |
| 10:25:06 | GodEater_ | there's always the gimp |
| 10:25:17 | Crash91 | gimp portable oesnt fare well here |
| 10:25:23 | Crash91 | doesnt* |
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| 10:27:42 | Lynx_ | Good morning! I'm looking into buying a Sansa e260 (from newegg). Is it correct that rockbox does (not yet) run on the v2 version? |
| 10:29:40 | Crash91 | Lynx_: correct |
| 10:30:00 | Lynx_ | hmm, and ordering online i can never be sure what i get, i guess... |
| 10:30:10 | Lynx_ | is the old version still sold at all? |
| 10:30:45 | Crash91 | Lynx_: Ebay is your god |
| 10:31:10 | Lynx_ | ok, thanks |
| 10:31:53 | Crash91 | Lynx_: ill sell my e250 for a bargain price of only $190 |
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| 10:32:06 | Crash91 | Lynx_: Prerockboxed |
| 10:32:25 | Lynx_ | Crash91: gee, thats so generous |
| 10:32:52 | Crash91 | Lynx_: Yes, yes, yes i know, i am very generous, my generosity supercedes me! |
| 10:33:07 | Crash91 | back in 5mins |
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| 10:46:01 | * | amiconn wonders why this new wps has got oits own wiki page |
| 10:46:21 | amiconn | The H300 and H1x0 versions are missing an rwps, btw |
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| 10:48:12 | Llorean | Because they move very quickly, and seem intent on steamrolling it into the "Default" position |
| 10:48:15 | markun | Soaa__: how far did you get with pressure sensitivity for the Gigabeat? |
| 10:48:15 | LinusN | amiconn: because it is a WPI for a default wps |
| 10:48:26 | LinusN | WIP |
| 10:48:44 | Llorean | And while I'm nitpicky about a few aspects of it, I really wouldn't stand in its way for inclusion. I'd just not use it. |
| 10:49:54 | * | petur thinks the logo with the music note is much nicer |
| 10:50:29 | pixelma | no-one answered me on my question if I can/should put the remote screens under their own headline (as they are used for two targets each) |
| 10:50:39 | Llorean | pixelma: In my opinion, yes. |
| 10:50:39 | Crash91 | does anyone have the cabbie two graphics for the gigabeat? |
| 10:50:55 | Llorean | I'm of the opinion RWPS's really shouldn't be considered anything but "A WPS with a different size" |
| 10:51:11 | * | markun agrees with petur |
| 10:51:30 | Llorean | The logo with the music note is copyright someone we can't get in contact with. |
| 10:51:32 | Crash91 | ive found the ones for the sansa on the wiki, but it would be more helpful if i had higher-res graphics (i.e. the gigabeats) to work with |
| 10:51:37 | pixelma | Llorean: the problem is that they currently have to use the same font as the main unit |
| 10:51:42 | Llorean | Crash91: There's a PSD in the forum thread, I thought |
| 10:51:53 | pixelma | so there's a little bit of dependency |
| 10:52:11 | Crash91 | ok, does gimp portable open psds? |
| 10:52:26 | Crash91 | (im in school) |
| 10:52:31 | Llorean | pixelma: A little bit, but I still think they can be treated as semi-separate entities. |
| 10:53:04 | markun | Soaa__: I wrote this, might be of help: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/touchpad.c |
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| 10:54:02 | pixelma | Llorean: ok, I'm also favouring this way of thinking a bit |
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| 10:55:57 | Crash91 | mrkiko: hi |
| 10:57:01 | amiconn | markun: Any news on the font caching improvements? |
| 10:58:24 | Llorean | How hard would just 1 font per screen be? |
| 10:58:26 | mrkiko | Crash91: hi! |
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| 11:01:52 | pixelma | Llorean: MarcGuay already divided it into two entries now (one 160x128x16 with RWPS and one without). It is still not right because then he would need to divide the 160x128 greyscale one too for the M5... |
| 11:02:44 | markun | amiconn: no, didn't do any rockbox work lately |
| 11:03:05 | markun | just some minor stuff which anoyed me |
| 11:03:23 | amiconn | :( |
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| 11:10:46 | LinusN | hmmm, the cabbie2.0 font is a little tiny on the gigabeat for my taste |
| 11:11:04 | Llorean | What font's it using? |
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| 11:11:29 | LinusN | helvr12 |
| 11:11:54 | Llorean | Ah. 12 is rather tiny |
| 11:12:27 | GodEater_ | I wish twiki would set size attributes on images =/ |
| 11:13:06 | XavierGr | when was it decided that cabbie will be the default wps? |
| 11:13:32 | GodEater_ | it wasn't |
| 11:13:36 | LinusN | it's not set in stone, but it is the best (and so far only) candidate so far |
| 11:13:41 | GodEater_ | but it's looking increasingly likely it will be |
| 11:14:07 | Crash91 | the ONLY? thats injsutice |
| 11:14:09 | XavierGr | Linus: well iCatcher is still the only one on all targets afaik |
| 11:14:12 | Crash91 | im makin one! |
| 11:14:46 | Crash91 | when will it be set in stone? what if i make a nice one that looks good too? |
| 11:14:49 | Bagder | there's the current default too :P |
| 11:15:01 | XavierGr | and if cabbie isn't yet decided as the default the wiki page is confusing, because it seems like it is |
| 11:15:10 | Crash91 | lol...im thinking of making one soon, my holidays start on the 18th. |
| 11:15:18 | XavierGr | probably that wiki page should be split into bullets for each wps |
| 11:15:30 | Llorean | Crash91: it's not like it can't be changed later |
| 11:16:05 | GodEater_ | I don't mind the font on the gigabeat actually |
| 11:16:13 | GodEater_ | but I'm blessed with decent eyesight :) |
| 11:16:59 | GodEater_ | XavierGr: are you aware of some other WPS that's even close to becoming the default wps that should also be on that page then ? |
| 11:17:11 | LinusN | i have no problem seeing the text, but it looks tiny, and it gets harder to see the text when you're walking around |
| 11:17:35 | XavierGr | GodEater: I thought iCatcher was a default candidate, but please correct me if I am wrong |
| 11:17:52 | GodEater_ | it's a candidate certainly - but an unpopular one I think =/ |
| 11:18:00 | LinusN | it was, but i like cabbie better |
| 11:18:17 | XavierGr | GodEater: Unpopular, was there a pole for that, that I missed? |
| 11:18:32 | GodEater_ | XavierGr: I'm only going on the content of the current Default Theme thread |
| 11:19:06 | GodEater_ | I mean - we already had iCatcher before that thread even started. |
| 11:19:38 | pixelma | actually I was thinking the same that the page shouldn't have been called DefaultWPS because currently it's only a candidate... |
| 11:19:56 | XavierGr | GodEater: Yes and that was the point of that thread, to see if there are other WPS that could be considered as Default |
| 11:20:02 | XavierGr | (among others) |
| 11:21:09 | GodEater_ | pixelma: add a note to the top, saying it's only a candidate currently |
| 11:21:54 | GodEater_ | XavierGr: perhaps I misunderstood the point of the thread then. I thought it was calling for other designs to be submitted because iCatcher wasn't that well loved. |
| 11:22:07 | GodEater_ | certainly this new one gets my vote over iCatcher |
| 11:22:16 | Crash91 | Badger: i quote from memory " Llorean: i think we have come to the decision that im the only person grumpy enough to actually like it" |
| 11:22:25 | XavierGr | GodEater: Not, to my knowledge but other might have seen it like this |
| 11:22:31 | Bagder | :-) |
| 11:23:01 | XavierGr | well, my preference is still over iCatcher, but I would welcome nearly any WPS to replace the default |
| 11:23:32 | Llorean | I thought I was among the "grumpy enough to dislike iCatcher" crowd |
| 11:23:32 | Bagder | yeah, me too |
| 11:23:38 | Crash91 | should i edit the wiki to change it to "Candidates for DefaultWPS" |
| 11:23:59 | Bagder | perhaps we should rename the page instead |
| 11:24:07 | Bagder | we don't want people to submit 44 different new wpses in there |
| 11:24:11 | GodEater_ | that would confuse people coming to it from the thread |
| 11:24:14 | pixelma | Crash91: I'm currently editing the page |
| 11:24:43 | Crash91 | yeah, i see |
| 11:25:04 | Crash91 | it stopped me from editing... |
| 11:25:54 | * | Crash91 goes off to try and install gimpportable |
| 11:27:28 | LinusN | i think cabbie looks more rockbox'ish than icatcher |
| 11:27:38 | rasher | I very much like this cabbie-derivative. Looks less crowded than cabbie. |
| 11:27:49 | Llorean | LinusN: I can definitely agree with that. |
| 11:27:57 | rasher | Plus the orange is a nice touch |
| 11:27:57 | GodEater_ | I think that's the key thing - a default wps should identify with Rockbox as much as possible |
| 11:27:58 | amiconn | iCatcher is buggy... |
| 11:28:07 | amiconn | Btw, what happened to the bmp strip idea? |
| 11:28:09 | GodEater_ | iCatcher doesn't really say "Rockbox" to me - it's too ipodish |
| 11:28:10 | LinusN | GodEater_: exactly |
| 11:28:27 | Llorean | People yelled at me when I said it was iPodish! :-P |
| 11:28:54 | Llorean | Not that I don't regularly deserve being yelled at, though. Heh. :) |
| 11:29:07 | Crash91 | has anyone looked at the slant wps? |
| 11:29:13 | * | LinusN tries to not agree with Llorean |
| 11:29:15 | Llorean | The slant wps is not an option. |
| 11:29:31 | Crash91 | i find that that is a truly efficient in images though |
| 11:29:34 | rasher | I'd like a version that used a heavier font, such as nimbus (which comes in a variety of sizes) |
| 11:29:43 | Llorean | The author has explicitly stated he won't license it under a modifiable license. |
| 11:29:49 | Llorean | I do like Nimbus a lot. |
| 11:29:50 | Crash91 | if you look in the images folder....there are only a mere 7-8 |
| 11:29:59 | LinusN | rasher: i agree that the cabbie2.0 could use a fatter font |
| 11:30:05 | Crash91 | Llorean: yes, but im thinking of taking its idea |
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| 11:30:41 | Crash91 | for example, the circle fills up when a certain mode is enabled...so i might make say...a box |
| 11:31:07 | Crash91 | and the good thing is, for shuffle, repeat, hold...etc. it requires only one image, unlike several |
| 11:31:37 | Crash91 | for cabbie... |
| 11:32:43 | * | Zagor found the cabbie screenshot for gigabeat F. yikes! :-O |
| 11:33:22 | rasher | I'm not sure there's a need to go overboard with optimizing the wps for boot-speed. Most people would probably rather have a nicer looking wps than faster boot (don't we already boot faster than most OFs anyway? So first impressions should still be good) |
| 11:33:27 | Crash91 | the orange/black scheme is nice, but doesnt appeal as much to me........ |
| 11:33:50 | GodEater_ | Crash91: those are the rockbox colours though... |
| 11:33:51 | Crash91 | rasher: but still, it CAN look cool and boot fast |
| 11:33:57 | Llorean | rasher: A WPS can add an awful lot of time to boot though. It's at least something to keep in mind, at the very least. |
| 11:34:08 | LinusN | Zagor: it could do with a larger font, yes |
| 11:34:09 | Llorean | But yeah, a balance should be struck, obviously |
| 11:34:16 | Crash91 | well, it said that it doesnt have to be even remotely related to rockbox |
| 11:34:35 | rasher | Crash91: it doesn't have to, but it could be a plus |
| 11:34:35 | Llorean | Crash91: Yep. It doesn't have to be. |
| 11:34:38 | LinusN | Zagor: but it still looks damn good with album art on the real thing |
| 11:35:00 | Zagor | LinusN: well it's the 1.0 version, which was horribly crude. the 2.0 version is very nice. |
| 11:35:11 | Zagor | 1.0: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGigabeatF#Cabbie |
| 11:35:21 | Crash91 | yeah, well am i allowed to use hue/saturation to change the colours? |
| 11:35:34 | GodEater_ | I liked the original cabbie as well actually |
| 11:35:36 | Llorean | If you're porting Cabbie 2.0, you really shouldn't. |
| 11:35:45 | Crash91 | yeah, but in my own theme |
| 11:35:58 | rasher | My Sansa seems to not want to reboot on usb plugin if it's to a Windows computer. When connecting to Linux, everything's fine. |
| 11:35:59 | Llorean | In your own theme you can do whatever you like, right? |
| 11:36:07 | LinusN | Zagor: aaaaah |
| 11:36:08 | Crash91 | Llorean: that would kinda defeat the point |
| 11:36:13 | Crash91 | yes in my own theme |
| 11:36:16 | Zagor | GodEater_: I think it looks like those high-contrast themes made for people with eye problems :) |
| 11:36:38 | GodEater_ | Zagor: everyone's entitled to their own opinion of course. It's just that your's is wrong ;) |
| 11:36:38 | Crash91 | i was just wondering if you guys had any problem with me changing the colours |
| 11:36:44 | Zagor | hehe |
| 11:37:28 | GodEater_ | Crash91: if you're making your own theme from scratch, you can use any colours you like. |
| 11:37:30 | Crash91 | well i have generally gleaned that a nice large/fat font is appreciable, should look cool, while staying moderately fast and is usable |
| 11:37:52 | GodEater_ | bear in mind you have to make it work on greyscale targets as well if you want to submit it as a DefaultWPS though |
| 11:37:57 | Crash91 | there really arent any good looking large fonts on rockbox... |
| 11:38:08 | Crash91 | GodEater_: yep i know. |
| 11:38:30 | Crash91 | ter is just to straightish for me |
| 11:38:46 | Crash91 | a nicer curved version would be nice...say nimbus-16 |
| 11:39:09 | LinusN | in any case, i think cabbie2.0 is a really nice candidate for a default wps |
| 11:39:27 | LinusN | it's not like you have to use it |
| 11:39:49 | Crash91 | LinusN: yeah...i hardly look at mine...but well first impressions |
| 11:39:59 | Bagder | and in one blow, it'll void all reviews saying it looks like crap at default startup! ;-) |
| 11:40:11 | LinusN | we really need to add support for a customizable status bar... |
| 11:40:22 | Crash91 | exactly what i was thinkin |
| 11:40:23 | markun | pixelma: I just generated a bold version of 9+18x18, what do you think? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/9+18-bold.png vs http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/9+18-normal.png |
| 11:40:37 | Llorean | LinusN: What I'd like to see done is, if it's available and satisfactory on 2/3 of targets by the new year, get it in as the default to hopefully encourage people to fill in the rest of the blanks. Otherwise set iCatcher as default to work out the kinks in "The default theme isn't the compiled in theme" and commit the Cabbie 2.0s that we do have so that people can see them on target while the rest get finished, then switch it over. |
| 11:41:05 | Llorean | markun: Not bad |
| 11:41:37 | Crash91 | i really think that there should be customisable statusbar icons at the very least.. |
| 11:42:00 | markun | Llorean: any idea which book it is? :) |
| 11:42:03 | Crash91 | i mean...all this about the text being too small...you cant change the size on the statusbar |
| 11:42:07 | rasher | markun: the colon should probably not be bolded (or have a pixel added to the left of it) |
| 11:42:23 | Zagor | Crash91: the solution is to simply turn off the status bar and make your own |
| 11:42:33 | Llorean | Zagor: Doesn't solve it for the menus though |
| 11:42:38 | Zagor | mm, true |
| 11:42:39 | LinusN | Zagor: only in the wps |
| 11:42:40 | Llorean | markun: Doesn't look familiar to me. |
| 11:42:41 | GodEater_ | markun: I give up - which book ? |
| 11:42:51 | markun | Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas |
| 11:43:06 | markun | crazy book :) |
| 11:43:06 | Crash91 | Zagor: i dont mean in the WPS |
| 11:43:19 | Llorean | markun: The writing style did make me think of hunter thompson |
| 11:43:35 | Crash91 | outside of it...it has a lotta potential for pimpin' |
| 11:43:45 | Zagor | I think cabby 2.0 definitely looks good enough to go in. now I want it for c200 :-) |
| 11:44:08 | markun | rasher: I think I'll commit the font as is, and later hand edit it |
| 11:44:11 | Crash91 | yay! gimp worked! |
| 11:44:16 | LinusN | Zagor: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/DefaultWPS?rev=1;filename=cabbie2-c200.zip |
| 11:44:17 | rasher | Zagor: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DefaultWPS#132_x_80_16_bit_colour_Sansa_c20 |
| 11:44:36 | Zagor | ah, lookie! |
| 11:44:36 | Crash91 | markun: any chance you could generate a nimbus-16? |
| 11:44:37 | Crash91 | lol |
| 11:44:51 | Llorean | As for the status bar, I personally would just like three things from it. 1) Set a height. 2) Replace the compiled in bitmaps with my own one. and 3) Reorder the elements. One could ask for more, but I think those are reasonable. |
| 11:45:08 | * | Crash91 agrees with Llorean |
| 11:45:14 | markun | rasher: I would like to change the hebrew and kana glyphs in the original font, then I would have to rebold it again and loose my changes |
| 11:45:28 | markun | Crash91: nope :) |
| 11:45:35 | Crash91 | :) ah well |
| 11:45:36 | rasher | markun: good point |
| 11:45:50 | markun | they look completely out of style in the font |
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| 11:46:02 | Crash91 | karashata gave me a huge font pack which worked okayish on RB, but they arent big enough |
| 11:46:27 | Zagor | Crash91: you can make any bitmap font into a rockbox font |
| 11:46:51 | Crash91 | hmm...then how to make a nimbus-16 |
| 11:47:29 | markun | Crash91: make one by hand :( |
| 11:47:55 | markun | pixelma and I worked on hand editing the nimbus fonts a bit, quite a lot of work |
| 11:48:19 | Zagor | Crash91: do you have a nimbus-16 bitmap font? |
| 11:48:36 | markun | maybe anti-aliased scalable fonts will be the way to go in the end as screens get bigger (the m:robe's vga screen) |
| 11:48:59 | Zagor | markun: we'll just throw in X11 |
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| 11:49:15 | GodEater_ | yay! E17 on my gigabeat! |
| 11:49:43 | markun | ;) |
| 11:49:46 | Crash91 | E17? |
| 11:49:57 | markun | enlightenment.org |
| 11:52:06 | joey1 | hi everyone. About the default theme, i have made a version for the iriver h10 5/6GB... |
| 11:52:34 | LinusN | joey1: nice! upload it to the wiki |
| 11:52:52 | rasher | Not many left to go then |
| 11:53:40 | joey1 | should i post some screendumps on the forum first ? |
| 11:53:51 | GodEater_ | we still need the ipod Video |
| 11:54:13 | GodEater_ | does anyone have an opinion on whether it should even be attempted on the archoses ? |
| 11:54:38 | Bagder | I think we can leave the current one for the archoses |
| 11:54:53 | Bagder | since in fact, it was crafted for them |
| 11:55:56 | joey1 | i have no idea how to upload it to the wiki (am i allowed?) and i dont know how to post a screendump sorry |
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| 11:56:35 | GodEater_ | Bagder: I agree - I think that's the smart thing to do |
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| 11:57:37 | markun | joey1: you need a wiki account and then someone in here needs to give you write permission |
| 11:57:39 | joey1 | ive posted the theme at the misticriver site, should i have done that? |
| 11:57:49 | markun | misticriver? |
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| 11:58:10 | Bagder | you can post it anywhere you like, but misticriver is not associated with rockbox really |
| 11:58:59 | joey1 | oh ok so i should repost it on rockbox wiki? |
| 11:59:30 | LinusN | please do |
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| 12:00:57 | joey1 | thanks for your help. i will do it maybe tomorrow. but i have to go now |
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| 12:08:24 | markun | oops, did a wrong commit from git :( |
| 12:08:53 | markun | dB for balance control. Will revert it |
| 12:09:00 | * | Bagder offers markun the "I messed up" badge |
| 12:09:16 | * | markun humbly accepts |
| 12:15:16 | * | markun hopes he didn't screw up with the reverting.. |
| 12:16:05 | pixelma | ok, changed the DefaultWPS page a bit - feel free to improve phrasing or layout. |
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| 12:25:43 | pixelma | GodEater: but I really see no problem porting Cabbie 2.0 to the Archoses - you can easily use a smaller font there, it would only need monochrome graphic which can't be that fancy but are not impossible at all. |
| 12:26:56 | pixelma | and it's a simple enough WPS |
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| 12:30:14 | GodEater_ | pixelma: I await your contribution eagerly then ;) |
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| 12:33:54 | preglow | markun: did you solve the issue with one mas target having linear balance control, then? |
| 12:34:22 | markun | preglow: it didn't have linear control after all |
| 12:34:27 | markun | but I reverte my commit |
| 12:35:16 | markun | as the dB scale doesn't solve the real problem of it not sounding linear |
| 12:35:53 | preglow | yeah, that's why i'm still somewhat ambivalent |
| 12:36:00 | preglow | there's no real point in making it db, apart from confusing users |
| 12:36:19 | preglow | i wonder why it doesn't sound linear, though |
| 12:36:25 | Bagder | maybe we could have a new % vs db debate on the lists? ;-P |
| 12:36:32 | * | Bagder ducks |
| 12:36:43 | markun | Bagder: we had it in here already ;) |
| 12:37:09 | Bagder | nothing's like bringing old flame wars back for another round |
| 12:37:13 | preglow | i've never ever seen a balance control with db units |
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| 12:41:49 | pixelma | GodEater: not sure I care enough - only in the sense of "hey, why did they left out a version for my Ondio?" ;) |
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| 12:45:23 | mrkiko | Someone having infos about mp3 players built upon the sigmatel msnc chipset? |
| 12:47:16 | Bagder | so you're looking for mp3 players that use that particular chipset? how come? |
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| 12:50:10 | pixelma | GodEater: maybe I take the challenge just to prove the feasability (somehow it gives me the incentive). But there are also more important things wrt teh manual I want to do... |
| 12:50:20 | mrkiko | Bagder: No. I'm not searching for them. I'm just noting that many many many mp3 players wich medium-low space capacity use it. |
| 12:52:50 | Bagder | ok |
| 12:53:08 | mrkiko | and so i was curious about the sigmatel chip. |
| 12:53:25 | mrkiko | And ... intersting is the fact those mp3 players use all the same firmware... |
| 12:53:39 | Bagder | sigmatel is just another one of the secret companies afaik |
| 12:53:47 | Bagder | although it seems they've opened up somewhat recently |
| 12:54:18 | mrkiko | what do you mean for "secret companies" |
| 12:54:22 | mrkiko | ? |
| 12:54:24 | Bagder | they don't reveal docs |
| 12:55:34 | mrkiko | On all those players you'll find "settings.dat" and so on. the problem |
| 12:55:59 | mrkiko | is theyr low-quality set of components: rarely they survive a yer or so.. |
| 12:56:14 | Bagder | so why bother with these players at all then? |
| 12:57:17 | mrkiko | Bagder: the fact they are so much present in ther market makes me think it would be better if we could know more things about them, generally. Porting rockbox to them aniway would be, in my opinion, difficult: they are simply too small. |
| 12:58:29 | Crash91 | Badger: IIRC, i have a sigmatel sound chip in my lappy |
| 12:58:31 | Crash91 | well break is over |
| 12:58:34 | Crash91 | gotta go |
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| 12:59:29 | amiconn | mrkiko: If these sigmatels use the same core as the sigmatel chip used in the ipod shuffle 1st gen, a rockbox port is simply out of question |
| 12:59:30 | Bagder | mrkiko: I actually don't agree on the knowledge part. There are a bazillion of chips and circuits out there. If they're not used in interesting targets I consider it a waste of time to bother with thenm |
| 12:59:59 | amiconn | There is no gcc port (and afaik no other free c compiler) for the cpu architecture |
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| 13:03:38 | mrkiko | no problems guys... :) |
| 13:03:49 | mrkiko | I was not proposing a port... |
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| 13:04:39 | LinusN | scared me for a moment there :-) |
| 13:05:40 | preglow | isn't that a 56k core? |
| 13:06:07 | amiconn | yes, afaik |
| 13:06:22 | preglow | i've coded asm for that, but the assembler was very proprietary, yes |
| 13:08:08 | preglow | another one of those things i can't really see being very efficient with a c compiler |
| 13:08:26 | preglow | but it's a quite nice arch for dsp, of course |
| 13:08:47 | preglow | and using c will be pure trouble due to data type being 24 bits, of course |
| 13:09:07 | mrkiko | Hi all! ... |
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| 13:09:22 | LinusN | oppen? |
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| 13:11:16 | Bagder | :-) |
| 13:11:29 | pixelma | öppet? ;) |
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| 13:13:12 | Llorean | Anyone know what "Digital Echo" could mean? |
| 13:13:35 | LinusN | a dsp algorithm? |
| 13:14:00 | Llorean | In the context of "My optical recordings sound funny, like with that digital echo sound, you know what I mean?" |
| 13:14:40 | pixelma | Nico_P: read the logs? |
| 13:15:05 | Nico_P | pixelma: no, from when? |
| 13:16:57 | pixelma | this night shortly afte you'd left. I found the cause why pictureflow was not picking up any of my album art, after that I could get the one I renamed to cover.bmp to show up but still not the "album name.bmp" ones |
| 13:17:39 | pixelma | and I still wonder what I should do with the reordered plugin button action contexts... |
| 13:19:45 | Nico_P | pixelma: I had a few problems which were due to FAT32's case insensitivity which caused the DB to not pick up some renames I had made |
| 13:20:07 | Nico_P | I just rebuilt is and everything was fine again |
| 13:20:45 | Nico_P | the albumnames thing is strange because jott tested the plugin using this type of AA |
| 13:20:47 | pixelma | hmm... don't see how this is related here |
| 13:21:18 | Nico_P | just thought it might be worth mentioning... the "!" issue reminded me of it |
| 13:21:45 | pixelma | the database does not have a problem with it at all |
| 13:22:00 | Nico_P | ok |
| 13:26:43 | pixelma | ah, but had to rebuild the database, now it shows the albumname.bmps too... |
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| 13:32:25 | Nico_P | :) |
| 13:33:17 | Nico_P | one thing I'd like to do is add AA support in the database |
| 13:34:02 | pixelma | Nico_P: I still wish it would work if the folder contains a ! (or maybe some other unusual but allowed character) |
| 13:34:48 | Llorean | Nico_P: by filename? |
| 13:35:15 | pixelma | and fix the keymap issue... I just tried an e200 sim with the different order and it still seems to be operable... |
| 13:35:49 | pixelma | jott tested on his Ipod and it also didn't break things |
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| 13:37:26 | dany_21a | quick question: is that normal, that the cheaper Sansa e200 player, which has no radio support (with orginal FW) plays radio with rockbox? (i mean, im not complaining or so :) ) |
| 13:38:54 | Nico_P | pixelma: I don't think the "!" thing is up to me... it must be something in the db code |
| 13:39:07 | pixelma | yes, if it has the radio which was only disabled in software in the original firmware (known that this is entirely possible) |
| 13:39:18 | pixelma | ^at dany_21a |
| 13:39:20 | Nico_P | Llorean: yeah, I'd like to add something similar to what pictureflow does, but in the DB |
| 13:39:39 | Nico_P | (associate a bitmap file to each album) |
| 13:39:43 | dany_21a | jezz.. so you are paying abour 35€ only for a flag in the fw −− nice from sandisk |
| 13:39:58 | Nico_P | I have no idea how hard it would be though, I don't know the DB code at all |
| 13:40:59 | pixelma | Nico_P: but why does the rest of the database get along with it well? *puzzled and doubting* |
| 13:41:00 | Nico_P | pixelma: about the keymap issue, I missed some parts... is the fix simply to reverse the generic_directions and generic_actions in the button mappings? |
| 13:41:50 | pixelma | yes, this allowed me to enter the menu on the c200... and is a really quick fix |
| 13:42:05 | Nico_P | ok, I'll include it in the next commit |
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| 13:42:55 | Nico_P | pixelma: the plugin doesn't do much on its own... it basically uses DB queries and the album art search code |
| 13:43:14 | Nico_P | but those two weren't used in conjunction before |
| 13:49:54 | pixelma | Nico_P: huh... ok, problem "solved". I just renamed it back, then updated the database again, started pictureflow fresh and everything's fine. I renamed the folder once (it had no ! a while ago but thought my database was up-to-date, apparently it wasn't) :( Sorry for the confusion... |
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| 13:50:19 | Nico_P | no problem ;) |
| 13:50:36 | pixelma | "renamed back" meaning that it now has the ! again |
| 13:51:23 | Nico_P | two (three with dircache) successive layers of caching can lead to weird things... |
| 13:52:28 | pixelma | no dircache on c200 and even if there was, I don't need it |
| 13:52:57 | pixelma | there |
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| 14:01:20 | adaran | hey everyone |
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| 14:05:05 | roolku | Nico_P: I have thought a little about integrating the pictureflow with the database |
| 14:05:20 | pixelma | dany_21a: I believe that _some_ e200s really don't have the hardware (just hearsay though). And IIRC it was some legal issues that made Sandisk disable the radio in the european versions first (don't know what changed since then but now players with and without radio are available) |
| 14:05:42 | roolku | Nico_P: one problem is that there is a many-to-many relationship between album name textstrings and coverimages |
| 14:07:14 | roolku | Nico_P: so I wouldn't treat them the same, but have a seperate tag/entry coverimage in the database which basically contains the path to the image |
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| 14:08:38 | Nico_P | roolku: we could store only one pic per album |
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| 14:09:03 | adaran | can anyone tell me where the rockbox bootloader is saved in? i want to restore my ipod to factory settings, however, simply blanking the partition table and using the restore utility did not remove it |
| 14:09:20 | adaran | i'm somewhat hesitant to try zeroing the whole device (when it's in disk mode) |
| 14:09:28 | GodEater_ | adaran: it's stored in the 1st partition of the device |
| 14:09:42 | GodEater_ | we inject it into Apple's firmware image |
| 14:09:42 | roolku | Nico_P: but which one? I could have tracks from the same album in different directories? or images linked by filename |
| 14:09:50 | adaran | GodEater, could zero-ing brick it? |
| 14:10:01 | GodEater_ | adaran: no - the ipod is virtually unbrickable |
| 14:10:03 | LinusN | the restore utility should have worked |
| 14:10:14 | adaran | now, here are my curious questions: |
| 14:10:18 | adaran | why is it called 'firmware'? |
| 14:10:36 | adaran | isn't there a minimal 'firmware' that loads diskmode, and allows the restore to work? |
| 14:10:45 | GodEater_ | yes - that's stored in flash |
| 14:10:47 | GodEater_ | not on the disk |
| 14:10:51 | Nico_P | roolku: I was thinking of only looking for cover.bmp and albumname.bmp (ie dropping trackname.bmp), but having tracks from the same album in different dirs could be a problem though |
| 14:10:52 | GodEater_ | and we don't touch it |
| 14:10:52 | adaran | so when in diskmode, i'm only accessing the disk |
| 14:11:01 | roolku | Nico_P: it is a similar problem to relating a year to an album name |
| 14:11:12 | Nico_P | roolku: how is it solved? |
| 14:11:24 | adaran | i see. so if i just dd if=/dev/zero the whole disk (which is flash memory on my nano but nvm =)), i should have a pristine ipod? |
| 14:11:55 | GodEater_ | adaran: well sort of. It won't load the old firmware anymore either |
| 14:12:09 | adaran | GodEater, yeah, well, i was just wondering because i: |
| 14:12:21 | GodEater_ | adaran: it sounds to be like the iTunes restore didn't work for some reason though - as that's all you need to do to remove Rockbox's bootloader |
| 14:12:21 | roolku | Nico_P: it isn't. closest is my yearalbum patch i.e. aggregation on the concatenation of year and album |
| 14:12:25 | adaran | GodEater, 1. zeroed the parttable with cfdisk -z, write, quit on the dev |
| 14:12:38 | adaran | GodEater, 2. used the itunes restore. |
| 14:12:54 | GodEater_ | why did you feel the need to mess with the partition table ? |
| 14:12:56 | adaran | hmm, okay, i'll look for the culprit there. |
| 14:13:07 | GodEater_ | the itunes restore doesn't require it |
| 14:13:32 | adaran | just for fun i guess. actually, the restore didn't work. though i'm slowly getting the feeling that it may be a bug in the VM i use to flash |
| 14:13:44 | Nico_P | roolku: which FS number is it? |
| 14:13:45 | adaran | (not sure how well the virtual machine's USB thingy is working) |
| 14:13:46 | roolku | Nico_P: but if we can live with not having an album string displayed, I think using the path name as an identifier would be better here |
| 14:13:53 | GodEater_ | and another question, why didn't you use ipodpatcher to just uninstall our bootloader ? |
| 14:14:00 | GodEater_ | which is far less destructive |
| 14:14:24 | Nico_P | roolku: you mean having the AA path stored for each track? |
| 14:14:27 | adaran | GodEater, well, if you say it's hard to brick, i'm confident that i can restore it. however, i installed rockbox a year ago or so and forgot how that went |
| 14:14:29 | roolku | Nico_P: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8051 |
| 14:14:30 | GodEater_ | and why use a VM !?! This seems needlessly complicated |
| 14:14:48 | pixelma | GodEater: I really wonder about why the Ipods now have to be put into disk mode manually. On the c200 it still reboots into OF when connecting to USB unless you hold "select" and that reboot works more reliable for me now than before btw. |
| 14:14:49 | adaran | GodEater, i didn't even know it was on there, until i used the restore utility in a twisted way and rockbox booted (or rather, the bootloader complained) |
| 14:15:01 | roolku | Nico_P: yes (although really only one instance and various pointers will be stored) |
| 14:15:25 | GodEater_ | pixelma: I have no clue - I was just guessing really ;) |
| 14:15:36 | Nico_P | roolku: then maybe we could group tracks that use the same AA? |
| 14:15:46 | Nico_P | still better than nothing |
| 14:16:12 | roolku | Nico_P: yes exacly my thoughts |
| 14:16:24 | Nico_P | this would improve pictureflow big time :) |
| 14:16:33 | GodEater_ | adaran: I recommend this page : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DefaultWPS?topic=IpodManualRestore |
| 14:17:11 | Nico_P | roolku: sorry for being a bit slow... I'm totally unfamiliar with the DB code... how much work do you think this would be? |
| 14:17:19 | adaran | GodEater_, thanks |
| 14:18:23 | roolku | Nico_P: the database side is fairly straight forward, but the linking to the plugin might not be |
| 14:18:28 | pixelma | GodEater: ...and I thought you would now more... ;) Still wondering if that's a bug or something that got lost, or if it's something that can't be done the same on both Ipods and Sansas *shrug* |
| 14:18:51 | GodEater_ | pixelma: I've never been near the USB code on either target. |
| 14:19:20 | roolku | Nico_P: so assuming I could pass you a list of path names to images, you somehow need to give me one (the selected) back |
| 14:19:21 | adaran | GodEater_, one last question: the ipod restore utility will fix the partition table, too right? |
| 14:19:22 | Nico_P | roolku: it wouldn't be very different from what is done curently (ie getting a list of albums), would it? |
| 14:19:46 | Nico_P | roolku: I don't think it would be too hard |
| 14:19:56 | GodEater_ | adaran: it should do yes |
| 14:20:12 | GodEater_ | adaran: but doing it manually as on the page requires you restore an MBR from one of the images we hold |
| 14:20:41 | roolku | Nico_P: would you maintain a cache of all images or scan for every new query? |
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| 14:20:58 | Nico_P | probably maintain a cache, as it's done ATM |
| 14:21:10 | GodEater_ | pixelma: I do remember when we had that problem on the ipods with them not staying in Rockbox when you plugged in USB unless you held the menu key down for a looooong time. Maybe the USB controller on it is still a bit fussy ? |
| 14:21:23 | adaran | GodEater_, it's a 1 GB ipod. there are only MBRs for 2GB+. if what i'm trying now fails, i'll try with those and correct the size of the second partition, i think, right now i'm giving dd-zero + ipod restore utility another try |
| 14:21:45 | GodEater_ | adaran: ok - good luck |
| 14:21:56 | adaran | GodEater_, thanks =) |
| 14:22:06 | GodEater_ | adaran: if you get a working ipod from the ipod restore util - could you supply us with the MBR afterwards ? |
| 14:22:11 | GodEater_ | so we can keep it for others |
| 14:22:19 | adaran | GodEater_, sure. where do i send it? |
| 14:22:23 | adaran | GodEater_, first 512 bytes, iirc? |
| 14:22:25 | pixelma | GodEater: well the post reads as if you knew more details (maybe something you read here and I didn't) ;) Wouldn't make me wonder if there still are glitches |
| 14:22:49 | roolku | Nico_P: so potentially there could be images not in the cache and you need to fetch them? how about updated images |
| 14:23:09 | Nico_P | roolku: we'll need to think about that, yes |
| 14:23:14 | GodEater_ | adaran: yep - first 512 bytes. If you have wiki access, just put it on the conversion page yourself. |
| 14:23:25 | GodEater_ | if you don't, sign up - and I'll give you access :) |
| 14:24:15 | GodEater_ | pixelma: perhaps I should delete the post then. I just assumed this was the case - I wasn't aware of the situation on the sansa. |
| 14:25:24 | adaran | your 'wikiname' policy sucks =) |
| 14:26:13 | GodEater_ | adaran: we like to make sure we have proper legal names for all contributors. If you don't like it then find some file sharing site, upload it there, and I'll post it myself. |
| 14:26:41 | adaran | GodEater_, silly me, i'll just put it up on a webserver |
| 14:26:46 | GodEater_ | or that |
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| 14:27:16 | adaran | unfortunately, it didn't work... |
| 14:27:29 | adaran | still greeting me with 'restore me!' |
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| 14:28:04 | roolku | Nico_P: is it possible to run the plugin without stopping music play? |
| 14:28:37 | Nico_P | roolku: in theory yes, but it will only work if there is free buffer space |
| 14:28:56 | roolku | Nico_P: buffer=audio buffer? |
| 14:29:00 | Nico_P | yes |
| 14:29:07 | Nico_P | it uses the buffering API |
| 14:29:47 | adaran | GodEater_, it wrote a parttable (of which cfdisk tells me that it's broken), i think, curious |
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| 14:29:53 | GodEater_ | adaran: I find this for the partition table as it should appear on a 1G Nano : http://pastebin.ca/810948 |
| 14:30:09 | roolku | I'll have a go at it tonight, need to do some paid work now :( |
| 14:30:29 | Nico_P | roolku: ok, thanks :) |
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| 14:32:10 | GodEater_ | adaran: oops - ignore that one - this is the right layout : http://pastebin.ca/810951 |
| 14:32:27 | GodEater_ | the previous one was too short |
| 14:32:53 | adaran | GodEater_, checking. so damn messy to use the restore through VirtualBox |
| 14:33:02 | GodEater_ | don't do it then |
| 14:33:08 | GodEater_ | use the manual method |
| 14:33:12 | GodEater_ | and use that partition layout |
| 14:36:58 | adaran | GodEater_, isn't that a broken parttable (i'm curious) |
| 14:37:22 | GodEater_ | no - that's a valid one |
| 14:37:24 | adaran | GodEater_, if i manually recreate using fdisk and enter 10 cylinder as a boundary, i only get 38409 blocks |
| 14:37:34 | adaran | GodEater_, ah, well, the ipod updater created one like this: |
| 14:38:02 | adaran | GodEater_, http://pastebin.ca/810955 |
| 14:39:22 | GodEater_ | you cylinders and heads are all wrong |
| 14:40:42 | GodEater_ | http://pastebin.ca/810960 <−− see there |
| 14:42:19 | adaran | GodEater_, ah, k |
| 14:43:34 | adaran | GodEater_, changed those. now i've got exactly what you've got |
| 14:44:03 | GodEater_ | in that case you should be good to go with the manual restore |
| 14:44:09 | GodEater_ | no more need for a vm |
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| 14:45:35 | adaran | GodEater_, yeah. i guess i need to use mkfs.vfat instead of newfs_msdos? |
| 14:46:34 | GodEater_ | I've never used the latter |
| 14:46:40 | GodEater_ | so I recommend mkfs.vfat |
| 14:47:13 | GodEater_ | LinusN / Bagder : I've just constructed a 1G Nano MBR - could someone upload it to downloads.rockbox.org with all the others ? |
| 14:47:17 | adaran | GodEater_, i belive the latter you'd find on a bsd system or something like that =) |
| 14:47:43 | GodEater_ | ah probably |
| 14:48:21 | adaran | GodEater_, k, now trying the reboot |
| 14:48:23 | GodEater_ | or Zagor if you're here ? |
| 14:48:46 | adaran | GodEater_, seems to be working. do you still need that mbr? |
| 14:49:43 | GodEater_ | adaran: no, I just built my own with a bit of losetup magic ;) |
| 14:51:20 | adaran | k =) |
| 14:51:32 | adaran | i guess i'll save myself a dd image now, and lots of trouble later =) |
| 14:51:38 | GodEater_ | good idea |
| 14:53:32 | GodEater_ | adaran: actually - put your mbr up somewhere |
| 14:53:38 | GodEater_ | I want to compare it the one I just faked |
| 14:53:42 | GodEater_ | see if I did a good job or not |
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| 14:54:50 | adaran | k. mine may not be pretty clean though, not sure how much the VM thingy messed with it. it's the result of dd-zero'ing the whole device, running the restore once (which failed), editing the parttable to match the one you show me with fdisk |
| 14:55:25 | GodEater_ | it's good enough that your device boots |
| 14:55:43 | GodEater_ | that's proof enough that it's a "good" mbr |
| 14:56:21 | adaran | i'm wondering, how big is that firmware btw? |
| 14:56:28 | GodEater_ | Apple's ? |
| 14:56:31 | Zagor | GodEater_: I'm here |
| 14:56:31 | adaran | yeah |
| 14:56:39 | adaran | can i shave some space of partition one? |
| 14:56:41 | GodEater_ | dunno - how big was the ipsw after it was unzipped ? |
| 14:56:57 | GodEater_ | Zagor: godeater.cream.org/mbr-nano1g.bin">http://godeater.cream.org/mbr-nano1g.bin |
| 14:57:19 | GodEater_ | Zagor: could you put it on http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/mbr-nano1g.bin please ? |
| 14:57:24 | Zagor | sure |
| 14:57:47 | GodEater_ | and if possible - delete the attachment I put on the wiki page |
| 14:57:54 | GodEater_ | I didn't realise they weren't held there initially |
| 14:58:05 | GodEater_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 <−− wiki page in question |
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| 14:58:23 | Zagor | uploaded |
| 14:58:44 | GodEater_ | thank you |
| 14:58:45 | adaran | GodEater_, adaran.net/ipod_nano_1gb_mbr.dd">http://adaran.net/ipod_nano_1gb_mbr.dd |
| 14:59:09 | GodEater_ | adaran: thanks :) |
| 14:59:20 | adaran | k, now i have to find out what magic voodoo i did last time to get amarok to write a non-broken itms-db |
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| 14:59:57 | adaran | GodEater_, thanks a lot =) |
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| 15:00:56 | adaran | \o/ |
| 15:01:00 | adaran | now i can finally leave the house |
| 15:01:05 | adaran | see ya'll! |
| 15:01:53 | GodEater_ | crap - they're hugely different |
| 15:03:19 | GodEater_ | Zagor: could you replace the one I just gave you with this one please ? godeater.cream.org/mbr-nano1gb.bin">http://godeater.cream.org/mbr-nano1gb.bin |
| 15:03:25 | GodEater_ | sorry to muck you about |
| 15:04:18 | Zagor | hehe, no problem |
| 15:04:41 | Zagor | done |
| 15:04:46 | GodEater_ | it seems it's not so easy to fake one with losetup and dd =/ |
| 15:05:06 | * | GodEater_ waits for it to get mirrored |
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| 15:14:09 | Nico_P | amiconn: I have a question: is it faster to use clear_display or fillrect (on only a part of the screen)? |
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| 15:24:01 | thegeek | I get "could not load empty slide" when I run pictureflow, cover works in a cover-enabled wps,.. |
| 15:26:57 | Nico_P | thegeek: is music playing? |
| 15:27:40 | jott | Nico_P: we should check the available buffer space at startup.. :) |
| 15:28:08 | Nico_P | jott: hi! yeah maybe... or display a more informative error message |
| 15:28:19 | Nico_P | I'm about to commit your patch and a few other changes btw |
| 15:28:29 | jott | ah good |
| 15:28:30 | Nico_P | also I got the album text to scroll |
| 15:28:37 | jott | nice |
| 15:29:04 | Nico_P | I won't commit that at the same time, though, because I'll need you to check it |
| 15:29:11 | Nico_P | and it needs a few improvements |
| 15:29:26 | jott | ok sure.. maybe just put it in your git and i'll pull it |
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| 15:38:08 | * | Nico_P added pictureflow to the majorchanges page |
| 15:40:10 | preglow | why isn't that added to the front page, still? |
| 15:40:59 | Nico_P | hehe, you think it's frontpage news? :p |
| 15:42:12 | Nico_P | meh, we already have a "bug report" for pictureflow, which is just a feature wishlist :/ |
| 15:45:04 | preglow | not that |
| 15:45:12 | preglow | i think majorchanges should be linked to by the front page |
| 15:45:37 | thegeek | Nico_P: sorry; yes |
| 15:45:53 | Nico_P | preglow: ah, yes. I agree |
| 15:46:06 | Nico_P | thegeek: you have to stop playback |
| 15:46:12 | thegeek | oh;P |
| 15:47:16 | CaptainSquid | is it planned to add an entry for pictureflow to the main menu instead of the plugin/demos-menu? |
| 15:47:22 | jott | is there actually a non-too-intrusive way to limit the buffer usage of the audio playback? |
| 15:47:44 | Nico_P | jott: no. I'm trying to think of something |
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| 15:48:57 | jott | i guess there are probably more applications that could use some of the ram.. are there actually any statistics on how much the battery-life is impacted if say the buffer is reduced by 10 mb? |
| 15:49:04 | jott | (on 32 mb devices) |
| 15:52:19 | Nico_P | jott: be carefult before you say more... this is a sensitive issue here ;) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyNoMalloc |
| 15:53:43 | Nico_P | some might consider bufalloc an already daring intrusion in the dynamic memory allocation territory :) |
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| 15:58:37 | jott | yeah, well i guess it boils down to the question, if low-end devices should limit the possibilities of high-end devices.. |
| 15:59:15 | Nico_P | jott: the main goal of rockbox is still to play music, so we want to save as much space as possible for music |
| 15:59:50 | Nico_P | having less space for it means the disk has to spin more, causing reduced runtime (less true on flash mem targets) |
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| 16:02:05 | jott | yes this is true.. are actually raw pcm data buffered or the encoded audio files? |
| 16:02:09 | preglow | it really doesn't boil down to that at all in this case |
| 16:02:16 | preglow | not using malloc is a design decision |
| 16:02:18 | preglow | and one i like |
| 16:02:29 | preglow | i really don't miss memory leaks |
| 16:02:47 | preglow | and having to statically allocate memory forces you to be more aware of your memory use |
| 16:03:02 | preglow | coders generally aren't too good at using resources carefully these days |
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| 16:05:49 | jott | preglow: well it depends... if 512kb are enough for "all" applications, then you are right ;) |
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| 16:07:19 | Nico_P | jott: the only (IIRC) case where 512K weren't enough (before PF) was the JPEG viewer |
| 16:08:00 | jott | and doom :) |
| 16:08:10 | jott | and pictureflow |
| 16:08:15 | jott | and maybe more.. who knows :) |
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| 16:10:17 | Nico_P | doom (and some codecs too) has a malloc implementation ;) |
| 16:11:01 | jott | heh personal workaround certificates for everyone :) |
| 16:12:24 | Nico_P | these mallocs are only there because doom/the codecs were designed around them though... for codecs the goal is to remove all need for malloc |
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| 16:13:08 | jott | well and because doom would not run with 512k ;) |
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| 16:37:25 | ironic94c | hi anybody knows where to get an old firmware for ipod nano 1. gen? |
| 16:37:57 | scorche|w | old rockbox firmware? |
| 16:38:25 | ironic94c | no old apple firmware...the new itunes loads the newest firmware when i want to reset my ipod |
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| 16:38:56 | krazykit | ironic94c, that's offtopic here. this channel is about rockbox. |
| 16:39:08 | ironic94c | yes its for installing rockbox |
| 16:39:34 | ironic94c | it doesnt work with the newest firmware doesnt it? |
| 16:40:13 | scorche|w | where did you hear that? |
| 16:41:15 | krazykit | ironic94c, i think you may be confused. rockbox does not work with the latest *generation* of ipods, the classic, touch, 2nd and 3rd generation nanos |
| 16:41:15 | ironic94c | i thought so?or can i reset my ipod with itunes 7.5 (first it resets the ipod, then it automatically updates it) and then install the loader + rockbox? |
| 16:41:44 | ironic94c | aah...doesnt have something to do with the firmware of the ipod? woo thanks =) |
| 16:42:05 | scorche|w | ...you could always try it and find out ;) |
| 16:42:14 | ironic94c | ok =) |
| 16:42:54 | ironic94c | so rockbox works with 1.3.1? |
| 16:43:22 | scorche|w | ...you could always try it and find out ;) |
| 16:43:33 | ironic94c | k -_- ^^ |
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| 16:50:06 | amiconn | Nico_P: The last bug on PluginPictureFlow (and maybe also the secondlast) sound like the plugin is leaking file handles |
| 16:50:46 | Nico_P | amiconn: I think it's more likely to be the 99 albums limit |
| 16:51:38 | Nico_P | hmm actually that limit is 1024 now... :/ |
| 16:52:24 | Nico_P | amiconn: hmm yeah you're right I wasn't thinking of the right one |
| 16:55:52 | Nico_P | hmm I found the leak, thanks :) |
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| 17:46:25 | Crash91 | Nico_P: Just saw the pictureflow thing...does it work on the sansa? |
| 17:46:47 | jott | Crash91: should be.. |
| 17:47:23 | GodEater_ | Crash91: should work on all targets - as most of our plugins do |
| 17:47:25 | * | petur wonders about the PictureFlow splash screen. It shows up sooo briefly it's just not worth it... |
| 17:47:26 | Crash91 | okay, just wanted to know, heheh....now there is finally a bigger reason to get AA for all my music |
| 17:47:47 | GodEater_ | Crash91: you know it's just a picture viewer right ? It doesn't select anything to play ? |
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| 17:48:05 | jott | petur: it's a waiting screen if you have alot of album art it will stay there for quite a while on first startup.. |
| 17:48:22 | jott | but you are right.. on the second start it's not necessary to show at all |
| 17:48:24 | Crash91 | GodEater_: does it display the current album art? |
| 17:48:31 | GodEater_ | current meaning what ? |
| 17:48:40 | Crash91 | of the current track |
| 17:48:48 | GodEater_ | I doubt it |
| 17:48:55 | GodEater_ | it's not tied to the playback engine |
| 17:49:35 | jott | no it's not tied to the playback engine yet.. it's currently just a "demo" not even a application ;) |
| 17:50:39 | Crash91 | ok, but in the future hopefully, it will be tied to the playback engine |
| 17:51:01 | GodEater_ | I imagine that's on the to do list :) |
| 17:51:27 | Crash91 | :) well, ill wait |
| 17:51:31 | Crash91 | but still |
| 17:51:38 | Crash91 | im gonna AA all my songs today.. |
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| 17:55:55 | Crash91 | does pictureflow have cpu boost enabled? |
| 17:56:30 | preglow | yes |
| 17:56:39 | Crash91 | :) |
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| 18:06:28 | pixelma | petur: I enjoy the "ictureFlo" splash on the c200 :P |
| 18:06:43 | petur | heh |
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| 18:23:33 | preglow | pixelma: yeah, it's clamped on nano too, heh |
| 18:23:38 | preglow | not that badly, though |
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| 18:35:35 | pixelma | hmm... do I see correctly that pictureflow does not use the external bitmap functions as others do (at least the code to load the logo bmp doesn't look like that but not sure...) |
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| 18:57:16 | berlinbullet | hmmm, so i'm curious here... i cant seem to find the scrolling margins patch anywhere, and i cant seem to apply the bmp resize patch, it just gives me an error when trying to patch files |
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| 19:00:32 | PaulJam | the scrolling margin is now in the official build (with the limitation that you can only specify the right margin) |
| 19:00:49 | pixelma | s/right/left |
| 19:01:01 | PaulJam | right |
| 19:01:15 | pixelma | ? |
| 19:01:28 | PaulJam | right = correct |
| 19:01:38 | pixelma | hehe |
| 19:01:40 | PaulJam | sorry |
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| 19:09:51 | berlinbullet | ah, cool, i was wondering since i cant seem to get some wps to work correctly, some just revert to rockbox default |
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| 19:12:54 | pixelma | no wonder I never saw the "Preparing album artwork" in the pictureflow plugin - it's hardcoded to be drawn at an y-offset of 100 pixels... |
| 19:13:22 | petur | hahaha |
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| 19:31:15 | fr0y0 | hey, can someone help me to get this theme to work? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIaudioX5#clix |
| 19:31:43 | fr0y0 | when i try to load one of the .wps it just says "Loading.." for not even a second and then nothing happens |
| 19:31:51 | fr0y0 | and i don't know what's missing :/ |
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| 19:33:40 | fr0y0 | and yes, the player is an X5 ^^ |
| 19:34:01 | fr0y0 | and i downloaded everything that's in the description |
| 19:34:36 | fr0y0 | even the thing that says "Use this only if you know how to add the changes". which i don't :D |
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| 19:35:49 | berlinbullet | did you use the required build? |
| 19:36:02 | fr0y0 | yes. |
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| 19:36:24 | berlinbullet | it might just be a broken wps, i know i've run into a few of them as well |
| 19:36:41 | Domonoky | those are "unsupported builds" ..so not much help here i think :-) |
| 19:37:33 | fr0y0 | berlinbullet: happens on all of them :/ |
| 19:37:54 | fr0y0 | Domonoky: tho chances are that there are people here who had the same problem :> |
| 19:38:07 | fr0y0 | or even the developer himself |
| 19:38:36 | berlinbullet | fr0y0: try goin back to the supported build and run some wps from there? |
| 19:39:24 | fr0y0 | let's see.. |
| 19:39:24 | Domonoky | the problem with those "unsupported builds" is that we dont know what he has changed.. so the bug could be anywhere, you could ask in the forum thread for this build.. |
| 19:39:58 | preglow | are there no 60 gig gigabeat s around? :/ |
| 19:40:28 | berlinbullet | 60s are hard to find i think |
| 19:41:05 | berlinbullet | lovin my 40 though :) |
| 19:41:18 | preglow | is 60 gig gigabeat s physically larger than 30 ? |
| 19:41:30 | berlinbullet | i dont believe so |
| 19:41:34 | preglow | my largest dap now is 20 gig, i'd love to update more than just 10 gig |
| 19:42:10 | berlinbullet | do you have a gigabeat right now? you can swap out the HDD with an 80 gb |
| 19:43:26 | toffe82 | preglow: the 30 use a 5mm hd and the 60 a 8mm hd so if you don't have the good case you cannot upgrade |
| 19:45:30 | preglow | toffe82: :/ |
| 19:45:54 | fr0y0 | haha -_- i can't rename the rockbox directory to .rockbox... windows tells me to enter a filename before the . |
| 19:45:57 | preglow | toffe82: are the 60s as hard to get as it seems, though? |
| 19:46:05 | preglow | fr0y0: go windows! |
| 19:46:31 | toffe82 | preglow: I didn't check on ebay for a long time now.... |
| 19:48:57 | fr0y0 | preglow: cheated it with cmd ;P |
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| 19:52:39 | fr0y0 | berlinbullet: it really did the trick ^^ |
| 19:52:55 | fr0y0 | i would've tried athousand other thing before thinking of that |
| 19:54:35 | fr0y0 | ah, crap.. only works halfway now... |
| 19:54:45 | fr0y0 | well, whatever. movies > rockbox ^^ |
| 19:54:46 | fr0y0 | laters |
| 19:55:07 | pixelma | fr0y0: if I see correctly you are now running an age old build in Rockbox terms (over half a year old)... |
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| 20:02:03 | berlinbullet | fr0y0: what worked? just using a supported build? |
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| 20:15:28 | * | GodEater wonders how blackhawk manages to maintain a post count of 1 on the forums |
| 20:19:19 | XavierGr | preglow: you can get good deals on ebay if you keep an eye on them |
| 20:20:13 | XavierGr | that's how I got mine for just 120euros. (though the back plate is carved with a scratch as if someone was trying to slaughter it with a machete) |
| 20:22:21 | scorche|w | GodEater: unsupported builds forum doesnt count? |
| 20:23:01 | GodEater | it doesn't ? |
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| 20:24:23 | scorche|w | nope...look at his post count and his last posts |
| 20:24:35 | scorche|w | or post once in an unsupported build thread and test |
| 20:25:25 | GodEater | I can't be bothered |
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| 21:18:37 | Workaphobia | the part of the file browser that allows you to hold select for a bit longer to get an alternate menu, what gui element provides that? Can it be done in the menu api, to allow two different actions for one item? |
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| 21:27:41 | GodEater | Workaphobia: it's already available in the menu - most of the top level menu items have a context menu too |
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| 21:30:28 | Workaphobia | I don't think it's documented on the wiki |
| 21:30:36 | Workaphobia | but my friend says he found it in the source |
| 21:33:26 | * | pixelma regrets not being on the users' mailing list for the first time |
| 21:33:55 | scorche|w | pixelma: you mean the voice mailing list? :) |
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| 21:36:11 | pixelma | that's the one I mean but I'd like to answer mail that's not voice related ;) |
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| 21:41:20 | pixelma | I don't even now if I could join in this thread if I registered now... |
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| 21:45:02 | Workaphobia | what topic has you so interested? |
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| 21:47:46 | pixelma | I'd like to answer the last mail in the "Sansa e200 & flash card" thread |
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| 21:51:43 | * | Soap is surprised such a Rockbox institution (dare I use such a word? I do) as pixelma isn't registered on the User ML. |
| 21:52:16 | * | petur isn't on the user ML either.... |
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| 21:53:09 | preglow | jhMikeS: hows video going? :) |
| 21:53:14 | Soap | I'm aghast. |
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| 21:55:32 | * | Nico_P doesn't read the user ML either |
| 21:55:52 | Nico_P | devs who do usually complain about it :p |
| 21:56:19 | Bagder | s/user ML/voice ML ;-) |
| 21:56:37 | scorche|w | Bagder: thats what i said a few lines up ;) |
| 21:56:48 | pixelma | Soap: thanks for the support ;) |
| 21:56:53 | Bagder | I felt a need to underline it ;-) |
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| 22:10:46 | preglow | pictureview looks really weird on nano now |
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| 22:10:56 | Nico_P | preglow: how so ? |
| 22:11:02 | preglow | left side of pictures are clipped while they're moving |
| 22:11:37 | preglow | the logo is severely broken too |
| 22:11:52 | petur | Nico_P: are you going to add a splash that tells the user that he needs to enable database? If database is off, all you get is a black screen |
| 22:12:08 | Nico_P | preglow: have you updated? |
| 22:12:15 | Nico_P | petur: ah, good point |
| 22:12:15 | preglow | Nico_P: just did a full update |
| 22:12:26 | preglow | i'll do a full rebuild and see if some build related stuff went wrong |
| 22:13:12 | senab | thats why im getting a black screen then |
| 22:14:13 | senab | can it only work with database then? |
| 22:14:19 | jhMikeS | preglow: got a nice disk buffer implementation going now (direct-mapped file cache and really simple) |
| 22:14:36 | Nico_P | senab: yes |
| 22:15:31 | pixelma | and it only works correctly if your database is up to date... ;) |
| 22:15:39 | Soap | is it explained somewhere why database is needed? I haven't seen such a discussion, but I don't want to make you rehash all that again if I am woefully underread. |
| 22:16:14 | Nico_P | Soap: I don't know, but it's needed because the album titles are displayed. the goal is to be able to also show a track listing |
| 22:16:22 | preglow | Nico_P: i got garbled built-in bitmaps just now |
| 22:16:27 | preglow | the logo and the unknown album bitmaps |
| 22:16:43 | Nico_P | but I'm considering offering plain FS as an alternative |
| 22:16:50 | preglow | Nico_P: but isn't 100x100 usable for nano anymore? the sides of the covers get clipped while moving now |
| 22:16:51 | Nico_P | preglow: did you rebuild the cache ? |
| 22:16:55 | preglow | Nico_P: yes |
| 22:16:59 | Nico_P | hmm |
| 22:17:02 | pixelma | preglow: make clean? |
| 22:17:11 | preglow | sure |
| 22:17:33 | preglow | also, the small "unknown album" bitmaps look weird compared to the big album bitmaps |
| 22:17:50 | Nico_P | preglow: ah, 100x100 is usable, but the preferred size was set to 50x50... |
| 22:17:57 | senab | gotta say, it's very nice |
| 22:17:57 | preglow | 50x50 is unusable... |
| 22:18:10 | senab | very smooth on my e200 |
| 22:18:11 | preglow | 100x100 worked just fine previously, why nerf it? |
| 22:18:28 | linuxstb | Soap: That was my first reaction when I saw the commit - the fact that it depended on the DB... |
| 22:18:30 | Nico_P | preglow: the change was aimed at smaller screens |
| 22:18:45 | preglow | Nico_P: then why does it affect nano? |
| 22:19:07 | senab | but i don't use database so i can't really use it |
| 22:19:14 | pixelma | Nico_P: seen my remarks about the logo bitmap not using the usual implementation and the "Preparing album artwork" line being hardcoded (so that it doesn't show up on c200) earlier? |
| 22:19:16 | Nico_P | because it checks for (LCD_WIDTH < 200), which may be a little much |
| 22:19:34 | preglow | Nico_P: another bug, if you enter the menu while the text is fading, the menu text will end up the fade colour |
| 22:19:47 | Nico_P | pixelma: I'm not familiar with the "usual" implementation but I'll look |
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| 22:19:56 | Nico_P | haha nice |
| 22:20:25 | pixelma | Nico_P: got a patch (but made before the last update) |
| 22:20:31 | preglow | Nico_P: well, i can only recommend the simulator for seeing how the screen looks, i think the nano can take bitmaps bigger than 50x50 juuust nicely |
| 22:20:34 | preglow | 100x100 was veruy ok |
| 22:20:49 | Soap | I guess I'll build with database now! |
| 22:21:04 | preglow | even i have database enabled for my nano now .) |
| 22:21:10 | Nico_P | preglow: problem is building a new sim with AA and DB is kind of a PITA |
| 22:21:24 | preglow | Nico_P: oh? why |
| 22:21:46 | senab | just stick one file in their with an album tag and a cover.bmp |
| 22:21:47 | Nico_P | well when you start a new sim build its archos/ dir is empty |
| 22:21:56 | preglow | symlink in a music dir |
| 22:22:02 | Nico_P | senab: I use a symlink to my actual collection |
| 22:22:09 | senab | ahhhh |
| 22:22:24 | Nico_P | preglow: yeah but then I need to rebuild the AA for the new screen size and rebuild the DB |
| 22:22:50 | preglow | oh, indeed |
| 22:22:53 | linuxstb | Can't you just cp the database files? |
| 22:25:24 | Nico_P | linuxstb: that's true |
| 22:26:36 | senab | nicoP: whats the future plan with the plugin? |
| 22:31:21 | Nico_P | senab: displaying a track list, and we'll try to allow starting playback of an album too |
| 22:31:40 | senab | that'd be nice |
| 22:31:42 | Nico_P | also I'd like to integrate AA in the core DB code |
| 22:32:22 | senab | it'd be nice to have it accessible from the main menu |
| 22:34:24 | senab | but obviously it would need to work for both FS and DB |
| 22:35:08 | Nico_P | preglow: does checking the LCD height against 150 sound ok for using the small pics? |
| 22:36:57 | pixelma | that doesn't make much sense |
| 22:37:36 | Nico_P | why doesn't it? a 100x100 AA+ the reflection is almost that high |
| 22:37:42 | pixelma | then the e200 would use the bigger ones and the nano the smaller even though the displays have the same width |
| 22:38:39 | jott | pixelma: without bitmap scaling in the core we have to find a compromise somehow :) |
| 22:38:49 | * | jott reads a bit of the backlog |
| 22:39:03 | Nico_P | oh yes I thought the nano's screen was 176 high, then maye using 132 as a limit value? |
| 22:39:14 | * | jott builds a nano sim |
| 22:39:35 | pixelma | to me the width is the more interesting factor there, the reflection isn't that important to me (entirely personal opinion though) |
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| 22:39:54 | senab | +1 pixelma |
| 22:40:25 | pixelma | probably because my colour target has some sort of widescreen display ;) |
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| 22:41:12 | * | Bagder votes for adding bitmap scaling to the core |
| 22:41:40 | senab | my screen is portrait so it doesn't affect me anyway |
| 22:41:50 | * | Nico_P votes for someone implementing it |
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| 22:42:08 | senab | wasnt their a patch anyway? |
| 22:42:14 | senab | *there |
| 22:42:25 | Nico_P | yeah but it's quite bad |
| 22:44:44 | preglow | jhMikeS said he might have a look some time... |
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| 22:45:46 | jhMikeS | preglow: We want fancy stuff? |
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| 22:48:52 | Nico_P | trilinear filtering! |
| 22:50:03 | Nico_P | preglow: should the X5 and H10 use 100x100 or 50x50? |
| 22:50:17 | Nico_P | they both have 128 px high screens |
| 22:50:33 | pixelma | Nico_P: small H10 or big H10? ;) |
| 22:50:56 | Nico_P | both have the same screen height :) |
| 22:50:58 | jott | preglow: i tested it on a nano.. i must say with 50x50 album art it looks good to me.. |
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| 22:51:22 | jott | so it's probably something you want to configure in someplace as taste differs :) |
| 22:51:39 | pixelma | jott: you can't compare what you see in the sim with the real target - the pixels on your monitor may have a different size... |
| 22:51:40 | jott | best way would be to scale the "?" and derive the size from the aa found.. |
| 22:52:04 | jott | pixelma: how much dpi does a nano have? |
| 22:53:03 | pixelma | and the Nano ones are quite small (similar to the Video, I _guess_). I don't have a Nano just remember that its 176x132 display is smaller than the 112x64 one of my Ondio :) |
| 22:54:05 | jott | my screen has 150 dpi so it's quite close to most devices i guess :) |
| 22:54:06 | pixelma | you could have a look into the DeviceChart wiki and calculate them (it lists the physical dimensions of the displays) |
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| 22:56:16 | pixelma | the dpi vary quite a lot and even though I know it, I'm sometimes very surprised about how different it can look on target |
| 22:56:34 | jott | nano has quite the same dpi as my lcd ;) |
| 22:57:56 | kugel | anyone of the pictureflow crew here? |
| 22:58:02 | jott | yes |
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| 22:58:27 | kugel | I wanted to ask, if the album title can be put to the top |
| 22:59:00 | kugel | on the bottom, it's overlapping with the beautiful reflections |
| 22:59:21 | jott | hm that's atleast a valid argument |
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| 23:01:09 | senab | i think i've found a small bug in coverflow. The bmp is cropped when it's in motion, then suddenly fills out when its finished |
| 23:02:14 | senab | i also +1 kugels request as the text has a solid background and kinda ruins the reflection |
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| 23:12:34 | kugel | jott: so, are you gonna do that? |
| 23:12:52 | jott | i'll try how it looks.. |
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| 23:25:16 | supefm | Anyone know why when I try to charge my sansa e200 with rockboxthis USB icon comes up and the music stops playing? |
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| 23:26:03 | pixelma | do you hold "select" when you plug the USB? |
| 23:26:18 | supefm | Nope |
| 23:26:57 | supefm | oh, tried doing that and it worked :/ |
| 23:27:36 | preglow | jott: good, but too damned small |
| 23:28:01 | pixelma | supefm: if you don't it should automatically reboot into the OF for a data connection, though I've heard that doesn't work reliably on the e200 |
| 23:28:13 | jott | preglow: yeah.. in the end it's more of a personal taste... |
| 23:28:27 | supefm | nope, doesn't do that for me |
| 23:28:34 | supefm | should I be charging in the old firmware? |
| 23:29:57 | Traveler4 | any idea if the recorder and headphone jack could be rigged to transfer data between devices? |
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| 23:31:02 | Casainho | Bagder: Are there? |
| 23:31:10 | pixelma | supefm: personally I don't trust charging on sansas in rockbox yet (I have a c200 but it's quite similar) |
| 23:36:51 | supefm | alright |
| 23:37:10 | jott | anyone having issues with "popping" on pictureflow, here is a way to reduce it a little.. i would appreciate some feedback.. http://sse2.net/pf/0036-Reduced-popping-effect.patch |
| 23:41:38 | kugel | what do you mean with popping? |
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| 23:49:11 | jott | kugel: when the album art in relation to the screen too large, while scrolling a "popping" effect occurs.. |
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| 23:50:01 | jott | it's still not perfect with this patch but imho better |
| 23:50:11 | kugel | I didn't notice that |
| 23:50:29 | kugel | however, I'm using a custom build |
| 23:50:56 | jott | yeah as mentioned it does not occur when you have a "good relation between screen size and album art size" :-) |
| 23:51:32 | jott | (so i did not notice this until i tested a nano with 100x100 aa ;-) |
| 23:53:07 | kugel | I've 1 200x200 for testing |
| 23:53:11 | kugel | no popping |
| 23:55:01 | jott | well don't care if you had no issue before (and no issue after) the patch ..;) |
| 23:55:32 | jott | preglow: would you mind to test? you had some problems with it, right? |
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| 23:58:29 | roolku | Nico_P (and jott): as promised here my first shot at the database integration of the pf plugin - does it make sense so far? |
| 23:58:53 | roolku | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8295 |
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