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#rockbox log for 2007-12-10

00:00:26knix_!building database
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00:03:47Robin0800Nico_P,roll over at end and chance to set the speed
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00:06:17*pixelma reads "ictureFlo"
00:07:26jottpixelma: yeah the logo needs to be rescaled for smaller screens..
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00:08:25pixelmadoes the album art need to be in a specific size to be picked up?
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00:08:52Nico_Ppixelma: either cover.100x100.bmp or cover.bmp of less than 100x100
00:10:08pixelmaand it only works if it's named "cover" not the album name?
00:10:54Nico_Palbum name should work too
00:11:16Nico_Pit uses the album art search funcs that were already there
00:12:28LloreanDoes coverflow throttle itself, or drop frames, to handle our various player speeds?
00:14:18*Llorean really needs to go get some album art at some point to play with all the new shinys
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00:16:18jottLlorean: no, currently it uses all cpu it gets ..
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00:16:27deliriumUserhello tu all
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00:17:48peturDelirium tremens?
00:18:06safetydanjott: there's already some fixed point sin/cos routines in the plugin lib that you might want to reuse instead of using your own
00:18:16safetydanassuming they have a enough precision for you
00:18:29jottsafetydan: where are they?
00:18:49safetydanapps/plugins/lib/fixedpoint.c I mean
00:19:33safetydanthe cube plugin makes use of them. as far as I can see you just need to include fixedpoint.h and use cos_int/sin_int
00:19:35jottyep ..looking at it
00:20:35pixelmayay, seems like there is a pluginlibactions conflict (my favourite hobby) - can't seem to get into the menu on the c200 :|
00:21:00pixelma*goes looking*
00:21:21jottsafetydan: i will consider them when i have time to do some optimization i've in mind
00:21:36Undiscouple of quick questions for ya guys! 1. Windows nags about drivers everytime i plug my rockbox in... What is this? can i get drivers somewhere? 2. Do i still have to use iTunes to transfer music etc?
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00:22:36karashataUndis, 1. ignore driver pop-ups, the current USB stack only asks for full power from the USB port, thus the reason for the pop-up
00:23:11karashata2. no, you can just drag-and-drop music onto your player when it's connected in UMS/MSC mode
00:23:56Undisaha, ok. But how can i access the music that is already on there, it's blocked like a regular ipod
00:24:18karashatause the database, it will find the files iTunes synced to it
00:24:18Undisfrom the computer i mean, if i wanna delete or whatever
00:24:19safetydanjott: just pointing out that they're there. It'd be nice to see more fixed point functions available for fancier stuff as well.
00:24:36karashatanot sure how to delete files, I don't own an iPod
00:25:13pixelmaand why the heck do people combine plugin button actions contexts? If not used in different screens you can't ecxpect to not have conflicts... :\
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00:29:12jottsafetydan: indeed recent devices are capable of really nice "bling"..
00:30:14*safetydan wonders what happened to the guy who wanted to port an OpenGL ES library to Rockbox?
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00:40:36pixelmasomeone with an Ipod and/or e200 around who is experimenting with pictureflow and is able to compile?
00:42:45jotti've an ipod..
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00:46:19pixelmacould you please try if you still can access control the plugin if you change the order of "generic_directions, generic_actions" in line 40? In the order it is now there is a conflict with the "down" button on c200 and this would be the easiest fix (at least it works now for me) - but I don't think it's a good practice to combine those context in one although this is done a lot...
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00:47:07sigmountehi ! i've just upgraded to the last version of rockbox with my nano (previous worked fine ) and now i have the boot screen , but no interface
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00:48:20jottpixelma: mh.. what other implications would this have?.. Nico_P did this part :)..
00:49:07pixelmajott: to explain what happens - you first declare generic directions which define PLA_DOWN for BUTTON_DOWN and this takes priority over PLA_MENU which should also use this button but is never "reached"... so I couldn't get to the menu at all
00:49:29pixelmas/you/Nico_P :)
00:49:31safetydansigmounte: doesn't sound like you've extracted the new version correctly. There should be an error message displayed on the bootscreen. What does it say?
00:49:51jotti see
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00:50:26jottatleast changing the order does have no impact on the ipod (simulator) :)
00:51:25sigmountesafetydan, it say : rockbox boot loader <CRLF> version ... IPOD version ... Partitio ... Model: nano ... Checksum ... Sum: /.. Rockbox loaded
00:51:40pixelmajott: I just want to know if this small change breaks anything on the scrollwheel targets. Generally I don't like this kind of plugin button action usage...
00:51:55pixelmathanks for testing
00:54:23Nico_Ppixelma: I thought it was more flexible
00:54:39Nico_Pthe idea is appealing
00:54:55pixelmayeah, too... :\
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00:56:30safetydansigmounte: odd that there's no error message. Can you connect your ipod to your computer and try a checkdisk/scandisk?
00:56:40pixelmaNico_P: and still my album art is not picked up - I have all 5 pics in the form "album name.bmp" now and deleted the pictureflow folder to make it scan again. An idea?
00:57:05pixelmaall of them 40x40 pixels btw...
00:59:14jottpixelma: does wps display them?
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01:01:25jotti guess there are still some unhandled execeptions in the code..
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01:01:45jottpixelma: have you tried restarting the device?
01:01:49Nico_Ppixelma: you're not playing any music, are you?
01:01:59pixelmano and no
01:02:39jotttry restarting it.. maybe there where buffers allocated that are not freed
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01:03:15Nico_Pthe buffering debug screen can tell you that
01:03:21jottah..ok :)
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01:05:55Jetonuhm , what size does the cover need to be for Picture Flow?
01:06:17Nico_PJeton: 100x100 or less
01:06:17jottatm the maximum size is 100x100 any smaller size should work
01:07:04jottbut hopefully this limit will be fixed anytime soon :)
01:07:31pixelmathat didn't help. I even deleted the pictureflow folder, then renamed one of the 5 to simply "cover.bmp", then shut down, rebooted and started the plugin again (and it seemed to scan) - still nothing
01:08:31jottpixelma: strange.. are there .rockbox/rocks/demos/pictureflow/[1-5].pfraw with reasonable size?
01:09:05pixelmaof course the picture wouldn't fit on the screen but I thought it would work because the blanko picture (with the question mark) shows up
01:09:06jott(as in w*h*2+8)
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01:10:40pixelmajott: there is only emptyslide.pfraw and ready in the folder...
01:10:56jottmh.. ok so something in the creation process failed
01:11:40PaulJampixelma: but the albums show up in your Database?
01:12:57pixelmayes - and it is listed in pictureflow (with the emptyslide bmp)
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01:14:43jottpixelma: you could check the return value of create_bmp in create_albumart_cache .. there must be something strange happening..
01:14:53jottpixelma: could you put the bmp somewhere?
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01:15:24jottstill strange as wps gets them and we i think we use the same methods (as find covers file and read_bmp)
01:16:53Nico_Ppixelma: are the concerned tracks in the DB? they have to be, and they need to have an album tag
01:17:14pixelmayes, already answered that
01:17:19Nico_Poh sorry
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01:21:30pixelmaNico_P: ok, I even turned off any voice feature (just thought as music playback was mentioned before, I should test this too), same procedure as described above - with no change. Have to ask: is there anything that prevents it to show up on the small display because the upper part would be cropped?
01:22:33Nico_Ppixelma: not that I know of, jott?
01:22:36jottif you do not have those [1-5].pfraw then you won't see anything..
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01:22:43jottso just the "?"
01:22:59jottand i think it should not be cropped as everything is relative to LCD_W/H
01:24:08pixelmatested in a c200 sim? The "?" looks like it is cropped
01:24:58pixelmait looks like it is meant to be 100x100
01:25:17jottah ok.. yeah the ? is always 100x100 if your screen is smaller then there is a problem
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01:27:30pixelmawell, the c200 screen is 132x80. But if it doesn't create even "1.pfraw" then there are probably 2 issues
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01:33:42jottpixelma: indeed.. the 100x100 issue can be solved by putting the right sized bmp into apps/plugins/bitmaps/native
01:33:58karashataheh, the ? gets cropped about 2-4 pixels on the H10, apparently
01:34:03jott(best to resize it and do some #ifdef in the source)
01:34:17jott(SOURCE in the bmp dir)
01:34:20Nico_Ppixelma: I have a small patch you could try out
01:35:56pixelmaok, last test I'd do for today... if you want to commit the small keymap change go ahead and maybe test a e200 sim (I'm a bit too tired and don't care enough if it doesn't work correctly, yet :) )
01:36:05jottjust like the other like pictureflow_emptyslide.(lcd_width)x(lcd_height).bmp
01:36:48Workaphobiawhat's the preferred way for debugging rockbox from the simulator? Is there any way to use something like gdb, or is it mostly output debugging?
01:37:23Nico_PWorkaphobia: gdb ./rockboxui
01:37:24jottWorkaphobia: you can use gdb
01:37:38Workaphobiaon the gui itself? Didn't realize that
01:38:48Nico_Pjott: your patch looks good to me
01:38:54Nico_Phaven't tested it though
01:39:12Nico_Pand it's too late for me to consider committing anything
01:39:32jottNico_P: yeah no problem ..
01:40:13jottyou could put the pastebin patch you made also into svn i guess..
01:40:30jottcould help debugging stuff..
01:40:45Nico_Pyes, I'll probably include it in the next commit
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01:40:53pixelmabtw. I'm not as interested in the feature as it may look now, but wanted to get an impression and think it should at least work :)
01:41:13Nico_Ppixelma: thanks for testing, it's very much appreciated :)
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01:45:24pixelmaNico_P: still no go
01:45:37Nico_Ppixelma: wasn't there an error message?
01:46:06Nico_Peven after clearing the cache? the changes affect the caching
01:47:50pixelmaI did a reboot after deleting the folder if that's what you mean
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01:49:05jottreally strange..
01:49:40pixelmaanyone of you tried a c200 sim?
01:49:45Nico_Ppixelma: if you went through the caching process again, it's fine
01:50:05Nico_Pno, but didn't you say it worked?
01:50:26evilnickAre there any plans for what this pictureflow might turn into? Once it's fully working.
01:51:06preetI'm trying to help out with a Rockbox port. Is there any documentation wrt how a port was created for another player that uses a PortalPlayer chip? I've gone through Rockbox source and tried to understand what I can, and I've disassembled both the BL and PP5020 firmware file. I don't really know what to do from here... it'd be nice to have an example to follow.
01:51:26pixelmaNico_P: well you can enter the plugin and go through the list of all albums with a "?" cover...
01:51:53Lloreanpreet: That's a vague question.
01:52:05safetydanevilnick: what more would you want it to do? If you're asking if it will be integrated in to the core, then no, that will probably never happen.
01:52:07Lloreanpreet: For example, a large portion of the PP hardware knowledge came from the iPodLinux port
01:52:26Lloreansafetydan: It would be nice if clicking on an album started playing the album, and left the plugin, perhaps.
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01:53:01safetydanLlorean: ah, I just assumed it already did that. Haven't tested it on my H120 :)
01:53:11Lloreansafetydan: I haven't tested either, but I hear that it doesn't yet.
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01:53:18LloreanI don't have any album art. Heh
01:53:21jottyeah that's a todo :)
01:54:08evilnicksafetydan: I was wondering whether it'd be able to be used as an alternative to the standard Files or Database method of selecting music
01:54:39jottevilnick: that's the plan.. but it will most likely stay a plugin
01:54:46preetI know, but I'm a little lost ... I have two files full of assembly code, and I don't understand it too well. I don't know how to relate it to adding to the Rockbox source to create a port. I checked out the iPodLinux website and went through their wiki... but I wanted something more in depth. The wikis at iPodLinux and RockBox are more or less notes that help the developers... I'm new to this stuff, and it's not enough for me to do
01:54:46preetanything tangible.
01:55:18safetydanpreet: have you got your own code running on your target yet?
01:55:26safetydaneven something as simple as changing a string in the original firmware
01:55:29Nico_PI'm off to bed... I'll try a c200 sim tomorrow
01:56:02Nico_Pgnight all
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01:57:11preetsafetydan: No I haven't... my target is the MR-100. How can I change a string in the original firmware? I would have to compile the assembly dump back into a *.mi4, resign it, and put it back on the player right?
01:57:22Workaphobiahow would I go about debugging a plugin on the simulator with gdb rather than the firmware itself?
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01:58:50pixelmajott: found the cause (well halfway)
01:58:57JdGordondoes anyone know if there is any reason stripwaxes patch for sliding puzzle isnt in yet?
02:00:40jottpixelma: oh really? what does it seem to be?
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02:01:53pixelmajott: obviously it doesn't like that the covers in question were stored in a folder with a ! in it (the rest of rockbox handles is fine and I think it's valid, never had a problem anywhere else with it yet). Now the one picture I renamed to just cover.bmp shows up, the "album name.bmp" ones still don't
02:02:22safetydanpreet: well you could just modify a firmware binary file with a hex editor first
02:02:41safetydanWorkaphobia: same as normal code. You can set break points in plugins using gdb
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02:03:01jottpixelma: still stange as it only uses the normal plugin function set..
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02:04:57pixelmaJdGordon: I _think_ there was one but can't remember what it was and if he already adressed it
02:05:05preetsafetydan: i've sort of done this already. When the mrobe boots, there's an image of headphones and mrobe logo. I changed that to another image by modifying the firmware exe available from Olympus' website.
02:05:30JdGordonpixelma: the only thing I can think of was it wasnt in becasue of AA, but know thats in, I thought this was ok?
02:06:41pixelmajott: ok, probably I try to investigate further tomorrow - really need some sleep too
02:08:14pixelmaJdGordon: he mentioned it here a few times after AA got committed and there were some things, maybe you can find sth. in the logs
02:10:17myusrnmok, so i'm going through the rockbox automatic installation on my ipod video
02:10:27myusrnmand i'm not seeing any changes as i do it
02:10:30myusrnmshould i ?
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02:11:35safetydanpreet: not sure exactly what your next step should be. Possibly modifying the original firmware file to execute your own code
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02:14:05crzyboysterwill album art resizing ever be commited?
02:14:55JdGordonever is a very long time
02:14:56Workaphobiasafetydan: I'm not sure how to address the source file though.
02:15:27crzyboysterdoes anyone know exactly how the new pictureflow plugin works?
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02:16:30jottcrzyboyster: what do you want to know?
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02:20:52Undishow can i access the music already on my ipod thru my computer so i can delete anad stuff?
02:20:59Undiswithout itunes..
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02:21:42LloreanUndis: If you added the music using iTunes, then you're just going to have to find a tool that can read the iTunes database, or spend a lot of time checking tags before deleting files
02:21:50LloreanBut neither of these has much to do with Rockbox
02:22:19jottLlorean: well it may has .. i use rockbox with itunes crazy-dir :)
02:22:31Undisah ok, just thought i maybe missed something :)
02:22:37Lloreanjott: Yeah, but "How to organize your music, and what tools to use" is something completely independent of Rockbox
02:22:43Lloreanrockbox doesn't care as long as the files are in a playable format
02:22:44jottUndis: under linux there is gtkpod
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02:22:52jottLlorean: that is true ..
02:23:25safetydanWorkaphobia: you can set breakpoints on fuctions in the plugin. so something like "break function_in_plugin" and then executing the plugin
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02:28:03myusrnmok, so how do i reboot my ipod! !
02:28:26Workaphobiasafetydan: I tried that, it didn't find it. Should I say yes to making it conditional on a library load?
02:28:41safetydanWorkaphobia: yes
02:28:48safetydaniirc anyway
02:29:00safetydanplugins are loadable libraries basically
02:29:51WorkaphobiaI don't know, it doesn't break on it
02:30:21WorkaphobiaI can refer to kernel.c and other source files that aren't plugins from within gdb, I just don't know how to address the others
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02:30:36safetydanWorkaphobia: just the function name is sufficient.
02:30:50safetydanI know this works because I've used it to debug codecs and plugins :)
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02:31:43webguest47does pictureflow work with 65 x 65 album art?
02:32:02safetydangdb ./rockboxui, then type "break plugin_start", then type "run", then in the simulator navigate to your plugin and it should break on plugin_start
02:32:26Workaphobiaso I'm starting gdb, typing "b do_action" (a function in text_editor.c) and selecting y, running it, opening the text editor, and using it, but it's not breaking
02:32:40Workaphobiaoh, hold..
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02:33:53webguest47well, does anyone want to answer my question?: does pictureflow work with 65 x 65 album art?
02:34:00Workaphobiasafetydan: Okay, it breaks on plugin_start, but not on the other function I tried
02:34:01homielowepreet: Did you know there is a port of rockbox already to the MR:100? The only problem is that there is know button driver. ,
02:35:05Workaphobiaactually it's giving me SIGTTOU
02:35:09safetydanWorkaphobia: hrm, maybe you need to break on plugin_start since that's the entry point. After that you should be able to set breakpoints further in the plugin
02:35:49Workaphobiaso it didn't break quite that successfully... I think I need to reconsider the options I'm building with. I might've done something stupid there
02:36:10Workaphobialike the debug option in the configure script, is that related to simulator debugging or just on real hardware?
02:36:52Lloreanwebguest47: Why not just try it...
02:37:40safetydanWorkaphobia: not sure, haven't got a rockbox tree I can look at right now
02:37:54Workaphobiaguess I'll experiment a bit more. Thanks for the help
02:38:43safetydanIIRC the simulator is always compiled with -g so debugging should always work
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02:41:26webguest47I'm updating my build right now...will check soon
02:42:31psycho_maniacAnybody know why some covers in the pictureflow plugin show up as a "?"?
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02:44:54webguest47has everybody seen the pictureflow demonstration video on youtube?
02:45:16webguest47its actually quite impressive with the actual album cover reflections
02:45:50psycho_maniacwebguest47: how long is the video?
02:46:08webguest4724 seconds
02:46:25DogBoythat looks interesting
02:46:40psycho_maniacyeah i think ive seen it. i saw one that was pretty short. it was a youtube video but linked at a different site.
02:49:14webguest47also, I'm using an ipod nano with the mp3s all named itunes style (scrambled with random names), so can I just dump an album art say for the album "elephunk", into one of its messy folders that contains a song for it named as "Elephunk.bmp"?
02:49:52psycho_maniachow much am i dreaming if i say that cabbie 2.0 could become the new default theme?
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02:50:56webguest47not dreaming at all, i made the nano version and all we need is the ipod video version for it to be considered
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02:52:49psycho_maniacthey even made a wiki page about it which is very nice. easy way to keep track of the playres the theme is not ported to yet.
02:53:32webguest47yes, in fact, and I'm crzyboyster :)
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02:54:20psycho_maniacmay i ask why you cannot help port it to the ipod anymore?
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02:55:35webguest47its just too much work, especially with me being a perfectionist and i have tons of schoolwork. i may do it in christmas time, though... also, it would be better for a true wps "artist" to do it, like senab or pjulius, wouldn't it?
02:56:59preethomielowe: I don't think low_lines has added his work to the source yet. I may be wrong but I don't see an mr100 device with the latest source code. Up on the forums, there's a pic of "Hello World" on the mrobe display. I'd be pretty happy if I knew how to get to that step! But I understand everyone has time constraints...
02:57:34preetSo I was trying to find a parallel media player (like the iPod or iRiverH10) and follow what they did and apply it to the mrobe
02:58:10safetydanpreet: you could try looking through svn for the initial commit of a new target and see what the first things added are
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02:59:50psycho_maniaci would like to help port it to the ipod. i have the simulator and i understand the wps code to a degree (i could learn easily) but i do not know how to do the graphics part.
03:00:04psycho_maniacthe cabbie 2.0 theme i mean
03:00:21jottwebguest47: you can just put all your album art into iPod_Control/Music/albumname.bmp
03:00:55myusrnmhow do i play videos?
03:01:04myusrnmmy ipod can't play videos
03:01:07webguest47well, i would start by reading up on the "default theme contest" thread in the forums and figure out what's been done and what's available (psd source is) and I can help you out with some of it if needed.
03:01:17Lloreanmyusrnm: Have you read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page?
03:01:26myusrnmno i haven't
03:01:46myusrnmi turn left where ?
03:02:24psycho_maniacim way a head of you. i know all that stuff but just the editing the psd. i dont know how do do that part.
03:02:32Lloreanmyusrnm: Just type "PluginMpegplayer" in the Go To box for the wiki...
03:03:32preetsafetydan: any chance you could tell me how to do that? (browse through svn)
03:03:56psycho_maniacwebguest47: I am psycho_maniac on the forums and have posted in that topic
03:04:10webguest47create a new photoshop document, make it 320 by 240 and start rummaging through the layers in the wpsdefault.psd source and copy over the needed elements
03:04:38webguest47and i am crzyboyster and have also posted in that topic
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03:06:16safetydanpreet: use the ViewVC pages. For example, here is the log for the mrobe 500 bootloader
03:06:37safetydanif you click on a revision number for an entry you can see what other files were comitted at the same time
03:06:41woodensoulHow can I check out the new PictureFlow plugin? I see no wiki for it.
03:07:18safetydanwoodensoul: do you have working album art now?
03:07:31woodensoulI have album art on my WPS.
03:07:44safetydanif you do, then install a build with the plugin and start the plugin
03:07:48safetydanit should "just work"
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03:08:01woodensoulI don't see the plugin anywhere though.
03:08:12webguest47ITS AMAZING! sorry about that, but it is, i got it working and it works perfectly!
03:08:21woodensoulsorry, found it now
03:09:12woodensoulThey are all showing up as question marks. I guess it will take some time to find all the album art?
03:09:21webguest47it runs very smoothly and it lets you flick through them within seconds and the album covers actually have reflections! rockbox truly rocks! :P
03:09:57woodensoulYes, I agree. That's why I own so many rockboxed DAPs!
03:10:36psycho_maniacwoodensoul: the time it took to load the plugin is the only time it takes to find them. i have no idea (or nobody else does because they didnt answer) why they come up as ? marks
03:11:07webguest47they probably aren't named properly. what player do you have?
03:11:24woodensoulI have both folder.jpg and cover.bmp files in all my folders. But the bmps are cover.237x237.bmp.
03:11:33woodensoulGigabeat F
03:11:50webguest47yep, that should be it, make them 100 by 100, i think? it works for me 100 by 100
03:12:15woodensoulCan i just put another bmp in each folder named cover.100x100.bmp?
03:13:20safetydanah, 237x237 is way too big. Maximum right now is 100x100
03:13:27webguest47well, i have an ipod nano and therefore all my music is in 3 folders randomly named and scrambled. All I did is place the art at the root of the folders and named them the name of the albums, thats it!
03:14:03woodensoulWhat a cool feature.
03:14:11woodensoulDoing 100x100 bmps now.
03:14:16myusrnmok, so i've tried to play an mp4 movie and my ipod goes into trying to play it as a music file and failing
03:14:47webguest47rockbox only supports mpeg videos
03:15:04woodensoulCan you queue albums the same why as in the database with the PictureFlow feature?
03:15:31safetydanmyusrnm: you need to convert your videos to MPEG1/2
03:16:18myusrnmhmm, all my stuff is in mp4 from earlier
03:16:34webguest47yes, and that won't work in rockbox
03:16:35myusrnmwell, when is mp4 support planned?
03:16:45myusrnmor at least avi or mov?
03:16:46webguest47um, probably never
03:16:47safetydanmyusrnm: probably never.
03:16:57webguest47same answers!?!
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03:17:43jottthe patch for albums >100x100 is in the queue.. Nico_P will review/commit it tomorrow
03:17:47myusrnmwhy not? it should be standard, if it's capable of playing more files it's going to be a more accessible player to the markets
03:17:52myusrnmone other thing
03:18:00myusrnmcan rockbox play ogg?
03:18:03safetydanmyusrnm: you have to resize them for playback anyway, so why not format convert at the same time?
03:18:09safetydanmyusrnm: yes it can play ogg
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03:18:51safetydanmyusrnm: see for a list of supported audio formats
03:19:08myusrnmthank you
03:19:10woodensoulGood news jott. :)
03:19:12webguest47this is my first time using IRC and i think I will return since its better than slowpoke forums. So, see everybody later
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03:20:04myusrnmCan't play any of my Impulse Tracker files :(
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03:20:32woodensoulI guess the album art has to be named cover.bmp, not cover.100x100.bmp?
03:20:55psycho_maniaci know it has to be named cover.bmp not sure about the 100x100 parrt
03:21:24jottwoodensoul: should not matter..
03:21:47woodensoulIt's not working with cover.100x100.bmp and cover.237x237.bmp both in each folder.
03:22:08jottit *should* :/
03:22:32woodensoulThe notes on the commit says it will take some time the first time
03:22:42psycho_maniacrename to cover.bmp and see what happens
03:23:02woodensoulyeah, trying that now
03:23:16jottwoodensoul: yes all artworks are cached and stored in .rockbox/plugins/demo/pictureflow/
03:23:24jottflush the dir to recreate the cache..
03:23:37woodensoulFlush the dircache you mean?
03:23:50jottno.. actually just remove the file .rockbox/plugins/demo/pictureflow/ready
03:24:43woodensoulactually it
03:24:43jottthe next commit will have an option to do this in the menu :)
03:25:05woodensoulit's rocks/demos
03:25:10jotter yeah..
03:25:13woodensoulnow it's working after deleting that file
03:25:19psycho_maniacwill the be a wiki page for pictureflow?
03:25:35jottpsycho_maniac: create one :)
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03:25:36safetydanpsycho_maniac: why not start one?
03:25:38woodensoulthanks for the help, sweet new feature
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03:26:15woodensoulis it in the works to be able to queue albums via this plugin or is it just eye candy?
03:26:26jottwoodensoul: yeah it's planned
03:26:52woodensoulit works great
03:27:04kugelsome people are having problems?
03:27:21psycho_maniacsafetydan: because i dont know anything about the plugin
03:27:22woodensoulthe only problem i see so far is if the album art isn't square, i.e. for a box set artwork
03:27:49kugeldo the album arts need to be special, like a certain resolution?
03:28:02psycho_maniacmax is 100x100 so ive read
03:28:06preetsafetydan: that was a pretty big help... i cant seem to figure out how to view different targets though.
03:28:07jottkugel: until tomorrow only up to 100x100
03:28:45woodensoulAlright guys, I'm out. Thanks for the help.
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03:31:55preetIs there any way to search the SVN repositories
03:36:24kugelsearch for what?
03:37:50jottmeaning of life, the universe and everything?
03:39:04preetif only =) ... just searching for a specific target, the iRiver H10
03:39:07kugelthe picture flow is great
03:39:26kugelbut, I don't really like the sorting
03:40:42kugelI'd like to have the sorting configurable, since I prefer to sort after album artist
03:43:38kugeljust take that as a note, I know it's early in developement. but anyway, thanks for this great feature
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04:00:10psycho_maniacman this picture flow plugin is gonna be cool. i only had one cover.bmp file on my gigabeat but on my ipod every album i own has a cover.bmp file :) cant wait
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04:06:22preetjust asking again... Is there anyway to search the SVN repositories for a specific target?
04:06:29psycho_maniacshoot just realized that my album art is not 100x100 :(
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04:16:28safetydanpreet: what exactly would you be searching for?
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04:20:28crzyboysterdoes anyone know of a way to take a bunch of mp3s with album art embedded and extract out the album art into files? i need this to continue using itunes and use pictureflow
04:20:53safetydancrzyboyster: there's a script somewhere on the wiki
04:21:00psycho_maniaccrzyboyster: did you check the wiki?
04:22:36crzyboystersorry about that! i'll try that out right now
04:23:03crzyboysterand by the way psycho_maniac, what have you done with the ipod video version of cabbie 2.0 so far?
04:24:27psycho_maniacwhy do you ask?
04:28:35crzyboysterjust wondering
04:28:54psycho_maniacthe only graphics i can do is paint.exe :(
04:29:43crzyboysteralso, i installed mediamonkey and then go to to get the script, but it's nowhere to be seen! I click on the support forum link and am lead to a bunch of code. What do I do with that code to install it?
04:33:10crzyboysterok, i'm getting somewher
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04:34:28SoaaHi all.
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04:35:19SoaaHello everybody. :D
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04:38:25crzyboysterWassup :D
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04:40:31safetydanI think people don't quite grasp the asynchronous nature of IRC.
04:40:47psycho_maniacthey think its like instant messaging
04:41:03preetsafetydan: looking for logs for files that cater to the iRiver H10
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04:41:41preetlike the first link you sent me pertaining to the mr500, but for the iRiver instead... since its similar to the mr100 i was hoping i could learn some stuff
04:42:03Soaa_Hello all.
04:42:38psycho_maniachow well does the picture flow plugin work on the ipod5g? seems pretty slow but, i compared it to the gigabeat ;)
04:42:44psycho_maniachello Soaa
04:44:08psycho_maniac80fps compared to i think less then 30fps
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04:52:35safetydanpreet: well the H10 is a portalplayer chip so it's probably the -pp.c file in the same directory
04:52:48safetydanyou might want to checkout the source and learn the layout of the tree
04:54:35Soaa_Hiya. :D
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04:54:54Soaa_Big thanks to everyone who made PictureFlow a reality.
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04:55:20Soaa_Now... for touch-ups and integration...
04:55:56LloreanIt's unlikely to be integrated to the core.
04:56:04psycho_maniacSoaa_: alright. get started.
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04:56:27Soaa_...D: I can't code.
04:56:40LloreanSoaa_: nobody can code when they're born. books are out there for a reason. :)
04:56:48Soaa_I know that. :
04:57:16Soaa_My initial attempts to hack pressure sensitivity into the gigabeat's touchpad epicly failed.
04:57:44Soaa_I think PictureFlow would be truly awesome as an extension to the file browser/database.
04:58:04Soaa_I mean, it isn't much use to leave it as a demo plugin... :P
04:58:18safetydanwell that's pretty much where it will stay
04:58:20LloreanSo add the ability for it to start playback.
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04:58:39Lloreanthere's absolutely no reason why clicking an album in the plugin shouldn't launch playback of that album, without any integration of pictureflow into the core.
04:58:43safetydanit's unlikely to be integrated in to the core without a change in project philosophy
04:58:49safetydanLlorean: true
04:59:08Lloreansafetydan: At which point one could, in theory, add a smaller feature to database that allows Plugins as filters
04:59:41LloreanThen you can integrate Pictureflow, or other things, via tagnavi without throwing all kinds of crazy stuff into the core.
04:59:58Soaa_That's exactly what I was thinking! o:
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05:01:00Lloreansafetydan: Plugins accept parameters, and can return values, right?
05:01:14LloreanWell, obviously "yes" to the first part, since they can be viewers
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05:02:03Soaa_See, my idea was to turn PictureFlow into a "folder viewer"...
05:02:22LloreanWhich makes no real sense.
05:02:37LloreanGenerally speaking, a folder will have one album's worth of songs in it, or multiple folders in it.
05:02:54LloreanIt's much more suitable for use with the database somehow
05:03:01psycho_maniacI agree
05:03:24Soaa_Odd, it does make sense to me. It would then behave more or less like Leopard's Finder.
05:03:34Soaa_But of course, it makes sense in tagnavi too.
05:03:43Soaa_Since RB is music oriented.
05:04:13LloreanSoaa_: How would it work in the filetree, at all? Very few individual files will have distinct album artwork within a folders...
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05:04:56Soaa_It would use the album art in the same way as the WPS.
05:05:29LloreanThat doesn't answer my question.
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05:05:50LloreanIf you entered the "Razor's Edge" folder, you'd have some dozen songs or so, all associated with the same album art image
05:05:54Lloreannot a particularly useful feature, at all
05:06:08Soaa_I find it most useful for picture viewing.
05:06:20Soaa_Which would make sense with the name 'PictureFlow' too.
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05:07:16Soaa_(that's in context of pictureflow within the file browser)
05:07:30LloreanSo, in other words, in a firmware intended for music listening, you think it would be a good use of space as a feature nearly only useful when applied to folders of images?
05:07:47LloreanWhy not simply add it as a part of the jpeg / image viewer?
05:07:56Soaa_Naturally, if it's going to be integrated into anything, DataBase would be the most logical way to start.
05:08:01LloreanSince it can already move from file to file within a folder, it could have a secondary mode where it could "Flow" those images
05:08:57JamFishis there anyway I can get involved in development of the Rockbox port to the Sansa e250?
05:09:10LloreanJamFish: Simple. Just do it. :)
05:09:21LloreanAll you have to do to contribute is work on whatever you like, and post patches to the tracker
05:09:23Soaa_See, I think making devices as pure music players is somewhat an outdated concept now... Players are now mostly 'media' players, which treat music, pictures and videos, or more.
05:09:41Soaa_Of course, RB is music oriented.
05:09:51JamFishLlorean: ok...thank you :)
05:09:59LloreanSoaa_: Even then, the "File Browser" shouldn't necessarily be a multimedia experience
05:10:02Soaa_But it surely can't hurt to make it more than purely music oriented.
05:10:06LloreanSoaa_: Again, why shouldn't it just be part of the image viewer?
05:10:15Soaa_That would make sense too.
05:10:27LloreanWhy should the file browser, which is part of the core binary and always in RAM, waste space on an image-only feature?
05:10:38psycho_maniacfile browser should always be what it says. for browsing files
05:10:50Soaa_But making it both part of the image viewer and the database would mean a double implementation of the same thing.
05:11:05LloreanSoaa_: In plugins, where it doesn't cost anything but a small amount of a rather large disk.
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05:11:39Soaa_Wouldn't it mean redundant code though?
05:12:25Soaa_If one side gets an improvement, it would need to be transferred to the other side. Wouldn't it be ideal to make it once, and use it wherever it makes sense?
05:12:35LloreanThat's what plugin libraries are for.
05:12:44LloreanYou don't have to write it multiple times to include it in multiple places.
05:12:54Soaa_Now we're making sense.
05:13:07LloreanWe never weren't, you were just missing that aspect.
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05:13:37LloreanNone of that means including it in the core, still.
05:13:41Soaa_I misunderstood, that's all.
05:13:53Soaa_I know that, I understand that it would be heavy in the core too.
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05:14:06LloreanNot heavy, just wasteful.
05:14:30Soaa_My idea of making it a "folder viewer" wouldn't mean integrating it into core either. It would just be, as you said, a plugin.
05:14:51Soaa_Then again, wasteful is only if it's used where inappropriate.
05:15:13LloreanIf you wanted it as a plugin, why did you go back to saying "within the file browser" again?
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05:15:40LloreanEither it's in the file browser, or it's not. As I suggested, it could be part of the image viewer, which would then mean a folder full of images could be "flowed", which sounds an awful lot like what you're back to suggesting
05:16:55Soaa_I never said it would be integrated -within- the file browser, I figured it would be most logical as an extension to the file browser, in the form of a folder viewing plugin.
05:17:51LloreanWell, you described it as "pictureflow within the file browser" and I pretty much depend on what you type to mean what it says.
05:18:36Soaa_Sorry, I don't think exactly the way the code works. I'm just a plain English guy. :P
05:18:54Llorean"Within" kinda means "within" in plain English too...
05:19:21Soaa_I meant "within" as "launched from within"...
05:19:24LloreanThat's I assume why you highlighted 'within' as the word you "never said" in your previous statement. Either way, I think we're in agreement about how it can be used.
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05:27:29woodensoulOK, I'm back with more PictureFlow problems. It worked a minute. Now all it says is "could not load the empty slide" "plugin returned error." Any ideas?
05:28:40psycho_maniacwhat did you do before you got that?
05:29:42woodensoulWell it worked for a little bit on my Gigabeat F20, then after running disktidy, it wouldn't work, but now I've attempted to get it working on my F40 and I get the same message even though I never ran disktidy.
05:33:04woodensoulI see emptyslide.pfraw in the pictureflow folder.
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05:37:07Lloreansafetydan: I'd bet money that Doom could work, with music, on the iPods with optimization, one day, but this is more gut than anything.
05:38:06LloreanIt ran fine on 33mhz and I believe slower 386s, and while that's a different situation entirely, I'm betting we still have the edge in available CPU power. :)
05:40:29Soaa_It's funny, I have the problem too. It's quite annoying. It works for a bit, then stops working.
05:40:52woodensoulSoaa_: PictureFlow?
05:41:13safetydanLlorean: true, but better to set expectations too low than too high :)
05:41:39Lloreansafetydan: Absolutely fair. I'm more betting on "nobody will bother" than "it can't be done" :)
05:41:48safetydanalso, wasn't the MIDI playback in doom dependant on midi hardware on the soundcard?
05:41:57LloreanI don't believe so.
05:42:04LloreanBut I could very well be wrong
05:42:13LloreanIt's been a very, very long time.
05:43:56safetydanLlorean: some poking around leads me to believe that's the case. I certainly couldn't play it with music on my old 486SX33 with no sound card :)
05:44:23safetydanif doom had software midi playback we might have been able to borrow some of that code, though I suppose it'd some deep x86 magic or something
05:44:46LloreanI thought some of the older midi opts came from the Doom code
05:44:55LloreanSomeone said it used MIDI for the sound effects too?
05:45:16*Llorean could be in some crazy land tonight
05:46:08woodensoulWell the PictureFlow plugin looks promising but it a bit buggy at the moment.
05:46:32Soaa_woodensoul, did you see my conversation with Llorean earlier?
05:46:46woodensoulHad it working for a little while on my F40, rebooted, no longer works.
05:46:51woodensoulSoaa_: no
05:47:08Soaa_We were basically discussion on how to harness its power.
05:47:27woodensoulA few things I've noticed...
05:47:32woodensoulno scrolling text yet
05:47:55woodensoulplugin only loads correctly sometimes
05:47:58Soaa_And we came to an agreement that ideally, it should be a plugin that can be called by the tagnavi.
05:48:16woodensoulconfig file?
05:48:32Soaa_If it doesn't work, try deleting "ready" in /.rockbox/rocks/pictureflow/.
05:49:05Soaa_It's odd, I have this one album art file that refuses to show up in PF.
05:49:05psycho_maniaci have to go it seems later then it is for me
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05:49:22woodensoulBut it wasn't working even when the ready file wasn't there.
05:49:47woodensoulIt loaded fine on my F40 after some playing around, then after a reboot it won't load.
05:49:50Soaa_Are your album art files in 100x100?
05:50:03Soaa_Try deleting that pictureflow folder altogether.
05:50:28woodensoulI tried that also.
05:50:43Soaa_Same error?
05:50:53woodensoulit has worked on both my F20 and F40, so I know the .bmp files aren't the problem
05:51:07Soaa_Hmm, I'm as stumped as you are then.
05:51:16woodensoulI tried turning dircache, on/off and rebooting, no luck.
05:52:04woodensouli guess it can't see the emptyslide.pfraw file all the time
05:54:31Soaa_Try this.
05:54:33Soaa_Plug in USB.
05:54:36Soaa_Unplug USB.
05:54:39Soaa_Then try it again.
05:55:01Soaa_.......this cover just DOESN'T want to show up... >_>
05:55:18woodensoulI think that might do it, because the only time I got it to work on the F40 was right after unplugging it from USB.
05:55:52Soaa_I'm sure it will work, however, it sure is an annoying way to make it work.
05:56:30woodensoulWell it's really only eye candy right now anyhow
05:57:16Soaa_True that.
05:57:33Soaa_Extending it to a more versatile plugin would be great though.
05:57:44woodensoulOnce you can queue just like in the database/file browser it will be more useful to me.
05:58:59Soaa_And iPodkiller too.
06:06:30ravveCan you guys recommend any software for fetching album art automaticallly?
06:07:14safetydanravve: not really a Rockbox specific question, but this might help
06:07:57ravveAwesome, exactly what I needed (the iTunes one). Thanks!
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06:15:37Soaa_Woot, look ay my video.
06:16:27JdGordonhaha nice :p
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06:16:59Soaa_Soaa likes PictureFlow.
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06:22:14woodensoulIs that a F20?
06:22:37woodensoulI got one of those on eBay for 55 bucks.
06:22:50Soaa_I got mine during Boxing Day two years ago.
06:22:57Soaa_$250. But it was well worth it.
06:23:07woodensoulGranted it has some dents and scratches, but the screen is fine and the battery lasts too.
06:23:51Soaa_I think you can get a brand new for around $100 nowadays.
06:23:54woodensoulBoxing Day? I also got a brand new F40 for 70 something on eBay. The seller incorrectly listed it as without a battery so I'm guessing that's why the bidding didn't go so high.
06:23:56Soaa_Nobody wants 'em.
06:24:28woodensoulI wish I could get an 80GB HDD or higher for a reasonable price to throw in the F40.
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06:24:53Soaa_Well I got mine two years ago, I don't think it was possible to get them at that price back then :P
06:26:21woodensoulif you don't have one of these, they are pretty nice for 10 bucks
06:26:32Soaa_I like my player slim. :P
06:26:34woodensoulhe wants 8 to ship
06:26:40Soaa_I just stuck a screen protector on it.
06:27:54woodensoulMe too. I like the size of my Sansa e280, but 8GB isn't much so I'm patiently awaiting the release of 32GB cards to throw in there.
06:28:06Soaa_Oh yeeees.
06:28:28woodensoulDid you ever run the stock Toshiba firmware?
06:29:06Soaa_Before Rockbox was successfully ported, yes.
06:29:25Soaa_I dropped it completely right when audio worked.
06:29:44Soaa_Development was slow/non-existant for about a year, then it all happened so fast.
06:30:05Soaa_Boot. Button and LCD drivers. Sound. Bam, done.
06:31:04woodensoulI can't believe the .sat encryption BS
06:31:32woodensoulOne of the reasons I like rockbox so much is that it lets the user be in total control of how to store your music
06:31:45Soaa_Actually, I didn't mind it too much.
06:31:59Soaa_To me, I just dump my stuff onto the gigabeat via room.
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06:32:02Soaa_Then I play.
06:32:04Soaa_That's it.
06:32:26Soaa_Of course, RB is much better than the original FW in nearly all aspects.
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06:32:47Soaa_I liked the original's picture browser, but then again, the pictures were converted too.
06:32:54Soaa_And there was no zooming.
06:33:08woodensoulwhat about transferring files from the player, impossible with encryption
06:34:23Soaa_You can easily decrypt a whole collection using WMP11.
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06:34:30Soaa_Hi Soap. :D
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06:36:28Sol-2anyone around?
06:37:04Sol-2you wouldn't happen to have any idea why the 95 files I just transferred won't show up, would you?
06:37:22LloreanBecause you aren't looking in the right place, in the right way.
06:37:23Soaa_No idea. Did you safely eject your player?
06:37:47Sol-2I haven't made any changes to Rockbox outside of adding themes; and yes, I did eject it safely
06:37:57Sol-2what do you suggest Llorean?
06:38:05LloreanSol-2: I don't know, you haven't really given me any information.
06:38:13LloreanDid you add them by dragging and dropping them in a file browser?
06:38:16LloreanWhat player do you have?
06:38:33Sol-2ipod 5.5 g video
06:38:35Sol-280 gb
06:38:44Sol-2transferred using Winamp
06:39:00LloreanWinamp probably did the crazy renaming thing that it does for the apple firmware
06:39:10Sol-2the files show up in the default firmware, but not in Rockbox
06:39:15Sol-2yeah, it does do that
06:39:18LloreanThen it definitely did the crazy renaming
06:39:25LloreanYou'll have to update the Rockbox database to find them
06:39:33Sol-2how would I go about doing that?
06:39:39LloreanSee the manual, under Database
06:41:41Sol-2found it
06:41:43Sol-2thanks a lot!
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06:50:35BigBambiAlright chaps, quick SVN question - the internet I'm on here doesn't let me get at SVN (I'm guessing blocked ports), is it possible to update over http?
06:53:35Soaa_......sorry, I don't know.
06:55:42Sol-2SVN = ?
06:55:58Soaa_Subversion. You get the latest source code from there.
06:58:33perrikwphere's a link to Rockbox source code in a tar.bz2:
07:01:01BigBambiperrikwp: yeah I know thanks, but it is a bit of a pain and doesn't maintain svn histories (also a bit of a pain for my patches)
07:04:04Soaa_Hey guys, is anyone currently known to be working on viewports?
07:04:28BigBambiSoaa_: linuxstb made a start
07:04:42Soaa_Really? That's cool.
07:04:52BigBambiBut I don't know how far he got, I've been away for a few days
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07:05:00Soaa_When did he start?
07:05:24JdGordoni dont know if he is any further than just docs still
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07:05:39Soaa_I'm reading some specs on his site.
07:05:43BigBambiDamn cgi::irc
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07:06:09Soaa_I wish for antialiased fonts and compositing, but the devs would surely disagree. :(
07:06:16BigBambiIndeed so
07:06:21BigBambiWe don't have the power for it
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07:06:29Soaa_Maybe not antialiased fonts though.
07:08:30Soaa_Okay well, off to sleep I go. :)
07:08:36Soaa_Good night everybody.
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07:27:04Morgan555Hi, questin I dont see on the rockbox page, will Rockbox add Shuffle to my H10?
07:28:50LloreanRockbox does what Rockbox does. It's not an addition or modification to the original firmware
07:28:58LloreanRockbox has a shuffle feature, as described in the manual
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07:39:15Morgan555am I reading the directions right, all I have to do is copy the .mi4 file to the System folder?
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07:43:13ravonIs there any way to interrupt the database commit when starting?
07:43:28ravonIt keeps shutting the player down at 3/9 :/
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07:43:55JdGordonconnect it to the computer and delete the .idx files and rebuild it
07:44:11ravonI'd do that if I had the cable here :)
07:44:33LloreanReset settings.
07:44:41ravonThere, it went through now.
07:44:54ravonCan't reset since I can't enter the player ;)
07:45:00LloreanYes, you can.
07:45:06LloreanIt happens before the database build.
07:45:29LloreanEach player has a button (or hold switch) that you can hold down or on that will cause it to clear on boot
07:45:43ravonoooh, sweet, I did not know that. I need to read up on the docs.
07:48:20Morgan555I am having a hard time understanding how to install rockbox, getting confused by the directions
07:48:55Morgan555I tried replacing the .m14 file and when I reloaded I got a rockbox error screen
07:49:17LloreanMorgan555: Did you install the build too, and not just the bootloader?
07:50:15Morgan555thats where I am getitng confused then
07:50:53LloreanOr rather, what part has you confused?
07:51:30LloreanIf you're doing the manual install, you have to do both the "Installing the Firmware" and "Installing the Bootloader" bits in the manual
07:53:19Morgan555I guess I am trying the maual install, I am not getting the rockbox loader thing, it was just a compressed file when I opened it it had a bunch of .qm extensions I have never seen before
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07:53:54LloreanHow do you not know which install you're doing?
07:53:54SirBob1701what program should i use in ubuntu to convert avi's to mpg's that can play on a gigabeat f rockbox?
07:54:03LloreanMorgan555: You're reading the manual, right?
07:54:24LloreanSirBob1701: See the PluginMpegplayer page, and be aware most things you can apt-get install may have MP3 support removed.
07:54:40SirBob1701Llorean: ok
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07:55:41Morgan555yeah, I admitl to having poor reading comprehension skills
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08:14:54mrkikoHi all!
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08:15:25mrkikoHi all! 'm very happy today - for the first day rockbox crashed in autobus, but pressing play the playerrebooted! ehehehe! Happyness!
08:15:35mrkikogood... I'm very satisfied with this...
08:15:54mrkikoAnd so this is not a derisory sentence...
08:18:00mrkiko* player rebooted*
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08:28:14mrkikorockbox ... Really rocks!
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08:30:27billhello. does anyone know how to mount ipod 5th gen video in ubuntu?
08:31:42billI'm not sure of the mount point
08:31:50*Llorean resisted saying "Buy it dinner first" for fear of being too crude.
08:31:59billI can provide dmesg
08:32:03Lloreanbill: It should mount automatically to /media/IPOD normally
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08:34:08billLlorean - im plugging it in and it's not mounting...any idea?
08:34:39JdGordonwhats dmesg | tail
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08:36:02billdmesg | tail is
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08:36:49Lloreanbill: Is your computer USB 2.0, and are you plugging directly into it?
08:37:28JdGordontry $ sudo rmmod ohci_hcd
08:37:45JdGordonmaybe ehci_hcd... one of them
08:37:50JdGordonworked for me when i had problems
08:38:16billok, did sudo rmmod ohci_hcd - what now?
08:38:34JdGordonreplug it in
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08:41:23Mouser_XThrow the iPod against the wall? Someone else did that when "Rockbox bricked [his] iPod!"
08:41:31Mouser_XThough, I wouldn't expect that to work.
08:42:00Mouser_XIt also cracked his screen.
08:42:39billits not bricked - just cant mount it
08:42:56Mouser_XAh, good point.
08:43:15JdGordonmodrpobe ehci_hcd (or the one you removed) and remove the other one
08:43:33JdGordonbill: out of curiosity.. what mnotherboard do you have?
08:44:24billmotherboard? no idea SiS something
08:44:30billolder box
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08:46:58mrkikoAre we up-to-date with the APE codec?
08:48:45LloreanThe APE codec's too slow to really be usable anyway
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08:49:10amiconnLlorean: That depends on the target
08:49:43LloreanWell, on the Gigabeat it's reasonable, I guess.
08:50:29LloreanBut even then, I imagine if people are going to be using it, it'd (generally speaking) be strange not to use it at maximum compression
08:51:36amiconnOn cf it's usable up to -c2000, on gigabeat f/x up to -c3000
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08:53:38mrkikoIs it still true rockbox saves settings on a block on the hard - disk?
08:53:46mrkikoI was believing it actually reads - writes config.cfg
08:55:23JdGordonno, config.cfg is used now
08:55:39JdGordonit hasnt used the config block for at least 6 months already
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08:57:36mrkikoAnd... does rockbox actually touch the ROM to save settings as described on some WIKIs?
08:57:40JdGordon11 months even
08:57:53JdGordononly on the archos targets
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08:58:09mrkikoNow I understand...
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08:59:06berlinbullethello all
08:59:15mrkikoberlinbullet: hi!
08:59:41berlinbullethow is everyone this evening
08:59:56GodEater_or morning...
09:00:02berlinbulletgood call
09:00:22Mouser_XOr dead of night.
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09:00:51berlinbulleti just got news our campus is closed tomorrow because of the ice storms, so im messin around with rockbox a bit
09:01:37berlinbulletkind of ran into a weird thing where some themes dont display the WPS right.. they just put text and the peakmeter in there
09:02:15Mouser_Xberlinbullet: That's the default WPS you're seeing.
09:02:21pradinAny Wiki pages describing the port progress of the Zune?
09:02:29GodEater_pradin: there is no progress
09:02:36GodEater_no-one is working on it
09:02:47Mouser_XThe WPS that you're attempting to load is broken, and therefore Rockbox reverts to the default.
09:03:01berlinbulletah, gotcha.. would it do that if i didnt have certain patches in possibly?
09:03:14mrkikoIs a port for the Zune in progress?
09:03:14pradintoo bad, I was going to send Bill Gates a Zune with Rockbox installed on it.
09:03:17Mouser_X*broken, or incompatible with a "standard" Rockbox build.
09:03:27GodEater_mrkiko: did you not read what I just said ?
09:03:53mrkikoGodEater_: infact my question was wanting to act as a confirm
09:04:18mrkikoGodEater_: aniway, unfortunately, it may happen I lose some lines...
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09:11:13mrkikoEhy.. actually it seems rockbox has a good number of users
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09:19:18lemurpreglow: that's ok
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09:24:20nukeu666question: in the equalizer there are 3 things, gain, frequency...whats the 3rd thing (1.0 Q)?
09:26:38zeQ is sortof like bandwidth i think
09:26:49zemy understanding is it defines a curve, higher value == sharper/narrower
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09:29:09nukeu666hmm...i notice some sound tearing in the midrange sounds, espcially in classical music(crossroads XB earphones) should i be tinkering with gain or Q ?
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09:43:17safetydan_nukeu666, q changes how wide the area of effect is. There's an explanation in the manual I think.
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09:46:10mrkikoWithin rockbox*.zip automatically built files, you distribute KNOWN_ISSUES.txt; are infos reported on this file true again'
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10:15:36TroyMc I have a question, what is the best way to triple boot rockbox, linux, and apple OS, would that still be the application managaer?
10:16:00LloreanApplication Manager?
10:16:20GodEater_I would say Loader2, which we don't support here
10:18:42TroyMckk... hmm i shall do some more research...
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10:21:49*Crash91 volunteers to do the cabbie 2 theme for the video
10:23:47GodEater_good - get on with it then ;)
10:24:13mrkikodo you plan to do it while in the class-room?
10:24:16Crash91GodEater_: Yessir! In in school at the moment....ill start on it in about 7 hours
10:24:37mrkikoehehehe :)
10:24:51Crash91mrkiko: i am lost photoshop at my disposal
10:25:06GodEater_there's always the gimp
10:25:17Crash91gimp portable oesnt fare well here
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10:27:42Lynx_Good morning! I'm looking into buying a Sansa e260 (from newegg). Is it correct that rockbox does (not yet) run on the v2 version?
10:29:40Crash91Lynx_: correct
10:30:00Lynx_hmm, and ordering online i can never be sure what i get, i guess...
10:30:10Lynx_is the old version still sold at all?
10:30:45Crash91Lynx_: Ebay is your god
10:31:10Lynx_ok, thanks
10:31:53Crash91Lynx_: ill sell my e250 for a bargain price of only $190
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10:32:06Crash91Lynx_: Prerockboxed
10:32:25Lynx_Crash91: gee, thats so generous
10:32:52Crash91Lynx_: Yes, yes, yes i know, i am very generous, my generosity supercedes me!
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10:46:01*amiconn wonders why this new wps has got oits own wiki page
10:46:21amiconnThe H300 and H1x0 versions are missing an rwps, btw
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10:48:12LloreanBecause they move very quickly, and seem intent on steamrolling it into the "Default" position
10:48:15markunSoaa__: how far did you get with pressure sensitivity for the Gigabeat?
10:48:15LinusNamiconn: because it is a WPI for a default wps
10:48:44LloreanAnd while I'm nitpicky about a few aspects of it, I really wouldn't stand in its way for inclusion. I'd just not use it.
10:49:54*petur thinks the logo with the music note is much nicer
10:50:29pixelmano-one answered me on my question if I can/should put the remote screens under their own headline (as they are used for two targets each)
10:50:39Lloreanpixelma: In my opinion, yes.
10:50:39Crash91does anyone have the cabbie two graphics for the gigabeat?
10:50:55LloreanI'm of the opinion RWPS's really shouldn't be considered anything but "A WPS with a different size"
10:51:11*markun agrees with petur
10:51:30LloreanThe logo with the music note is copyright someone we can't get in contact with.
10:51:32Crash91ive found the ones for the sansa on the wiki, but it would be more helpful if i had higher-res graphics (i.e. the gigabeats) to work with
10:51:37pixelmaLlorean: the problem is that they currently have to use the same font as the main unit
10:51:42LloreanCrash91: There's a PSD in the forum thread, I thought
10:51:53pixelmaso there's a little bit of dependency
10:52:11Crash91ok, does gimp portable open psds?
10:52:26Crash91(im in school)
10:52:31Lloreanpixelma: A little bit, but I still think they can be treated as semi-separate entities.
10:53:04markunSoaa__: I wrote this, might be of help:
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10:54:02pixelmaLlorean: ok, I'm also favouring this way of thinking a bit
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10:55:57Crash91mrkiko: hi
10:57:01amiconnmarkun: Any news on the font caching improvements?
10:58:24LloreanHow hard would just 1 font per screen be?
10:58:26mrkikoCrash91: hi!
11:01:52pixelmaLlorean: MarcGuay already divided it into two entries now (one 160x128x16 with RWPS and one without). It is still not right because then he would need to divide the 160x128 greyscale one too for the M5...
11:02:44markunamiconn: no, didn't do any rockbox work lately
11:03:05markunjust some minor stuff which anoyed me
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11:10:46LinusNhmmm, the cabbie2.0 font is a little tiny on the gigabeat for my taste
11:11:04LloreanWhat font's it using?
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11:11:54LloreanAh. 12 is rather tiny
11:12:27GodEater_I wish twiki would set size attributes on images =/
11:13:06XavierGrwhen was it decided that cabbie will be the default wps?
11:13:32GodEater_it wasn't
11:13:36LinusNit's not set in stone, but it is the best (and so far only) candidate so far
11:13:41GodEater_but it's looking increasingly likely it will be
11:14:07Crash91the ONLY? thats injsutice
11:14:09XavierGrLinus: well iCatcher is still the only one on all targets afaik
11:14:12Crash91im makin one!
11:14:46Crash91when will it be set in stone? what if i make a nice one that looks good too?
11:14:49Bagderthere's the current default too :P
11:15:01XavierGrand if cabbie isn't yet decided as the default the wiki page is confusing, because it seems like it is thinking of making one soon, my holidays start on the 18th.
11:15:18XavierGrprobably that wiki page should be split into bullets for each wps
11:15:30LloreanCrash91: it's not like it can't be changed later
11:16:05GodEater_I don't mind the font on the gigabeat actually
11:16:13GodEater_but I'm blessed with decent eyesight :)
11:16:59GodEater_XavierGr: are you aware of some other WPS that's even close to becoming the default wps that should also be on that page then ?
11:17:11LinusNi have no problem seeing the text, but it looks tiny, and it gets harder to see the text when you're walking around
11:17:35XavierGrGodEater: I thought iCatcher was a default candidate, but please correct me if I am wrong
11:17:52GodEater_it's a candidate certainly - but an unpopular one I think =/
11:18:00LinusNit was, but i like cabbie better
11:18:17XavierGrGodEater: Unpopular, was there a pole for that, that I missed?
11:18:32GodEater_XavierGr: I'm only going on the content of the current Default Theme thread
11:19:06GodEater_I mean - we already had iCatcher before that thread even started.
11:19:38pixelmaactually I was thinking the same that the page shouldn't have been called DefaultWPS because currently it's only a candidate...
11:19:56XavierGrGodEater: Yes and that was the point of that thread, to see if there are other WPS that could be considered as Default
11:20:02XavierGr(among others)
11:21:09GodEater_pixelma: add a note to the top, saying it's only a candidate currently
11:21:54GodEater_XavierGr: perhaps I misunderstood the point of the thread then. I thought it was calling for other designs to be submitted because iCatcher wasn't that well loved.
11:22:07GodEater_certainly this new one gets my vote over iCatcher
11:22:16Crash91Badger: i quote from memory " Llorean: i think we have come to the decision that im the only person grumpy enough to actually like it"
11:22:25XavierGrGodEater: Not, to my knowledge but other might have seen it like this
11:23:01XavierGrwell, my preference is still over iCatcher, but I would welcome nearly any WPS to replace the default
11:23:32LloreanI thought I was among the "grumpy enough to dislike iCatcher" crowd
11:23:32Bagderyeah, me too
11:23:38Crash91should i edit the wiki to change it to "Candidates for DefaultWPS"
11:23:59Bagderperhaps we should rename the page instead
11:24:07Bagderwe don't want people to submit 44 different new wpses in there
11:24:11GodEater_that would confuse people coming to it from the thread
11:24:14pixelmaCrash91: I'm currently editing the page
11:24:43Crash91yeah, i see
11:25:04Crash91it stopped me from editing...
11:25:54*Crash91 goes off to try and install gimpportable
11:27:28LinusNi think cabbie looks more rockbox'ish than icatcher
11:27:38rasherI very much like this cabbie-derivative. Looks less crowded than cabbie.
11:27:49LloreanLinusN: I can definitely agree with that.
11:27:57rasherPlus the orange is a nice touch
11:27:57GodEater_I think that's the key thing - a default wps should identify with Rockbox as much as possible
11:27:58amiconniCatcher is buggy...
11:28:07amiconnBtw, what happened to the bmp strip idea?
11:28:09GodEater_iCatcher doesn't really say "Rockbox" to me - it's too ipodish
11:28:10LinusNGodEater_: exactly
11:28:27LloreanPeople yelled at me when I said it was iPodish! :-P
11:28:54LloreanNot that I don't regularly deserve being yelled at, though. Heh. :)
11:29:07Crash91has anyone looked at the slant wps?
11:29:13*LinusN tries to not agree with Llorean
11:29:15LloreanThe slant wps is not an option.
11:29:31Crash91i find that that is a truly efficient in images though
11:29:34rasherI'd like a version that used a heavier font, such as nimbus (which comes in a variety of sizes)
11:29:43LloreanThe author has explicitly stated he won't license it under a modifiable license.
11:29:49LloreanI do like Nimbus a lot.
11:29:50Crash91if you look in the images folder....there are only a mere 7-8
11:29:59LinusNrasher: i agree that the cabbie2.0 could use a fatter font
11:30:05Crash91Llorean: yes, but im thinking of taking its idea
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11:30:41Crash91for example, the circle fills up when a certain mode is i might make say...a box
11:31:07Crash91and the good thing is, for shuffle, repeat, hold...etc. it requires only one image, unlike several
11:31:37Crash91for cabbie...
11:32:43*Zagor found the cabbie screenshot for gigabeat F. yikes! :-O
11:33:22rasherI'm not sure there's a need to go overboard with optimizing the wps for boot-speed. Most people would probably rather have a nicer looking wps than faster boot (don't we already boot faster than most OFs anyway? So first impressions should still be good)
11:33:27Crash91the orange/black scheme is nice, but doesnt appeal as much to me........
11:33:50GodEater_Crash91: those are the rockbox colours though...
11:33:51Crash91rasher: but still, it CAN look cool and boot fast
11:33:57Lloreanrasher: A WPS can add an awful lot of time to boot though. It's at least something to keep in mind, at the very least.
11:34:08LinusNZagor: it could do with a larger font, yes
11:34:09LloreanBut yeah, a balance should be struck, obviously
11:34:16Crash91well, it said that it doesnt have to be even remotely related to rockbox
11:34:35rasherCrash91: it doesn't have to, but it could be a plus
11:34:35LloreanCrash91: Yep. It doesn't have to be.
11:34:38LinusNZagor: but it still looks damn good with album art on the real thing
11:35:00ZagorLinusN: well it's the 1.0 version, which was horribly crude. the 2.0 version is very nice.
11:35:21Crash91yeah, well am i allowed to use hue/saturation to change the colours?
11:35:34GodEater_I liked the original cabbie as well actually
11:35:36LloreanIf you're porting Cabbie 2.0, you really shouldn't.
11:35:45Crash91yeah, but in my own theme
11:35:58rasherMy Sansa seems to not want to reboot on usb plugin if it's to a Windows computer. When connecting to Linux, everything's fine.
11:35:59LloreanIn your own theme you can do whatever you like, right?
11:36:07LinusNZagor: aaaaah
11:36:08Crash91Llorean: that would kinda defeat the point
11:36:13Crash91yes in my own theme
11:36:16ZagorGodEater_: I think it looks like those high-contrast themes made for people with eye problems :)
11:36:38GodEater_Zagor: everyone's entitled to their own opinion of course. It's just that your's is wrong ;)
11:36:38Crash91i was just wondering if you guys had any problem with me changing the colours
11:37:28GodEater_Crash91: if you're making your own theme from scratch, you can use any colours you like.
11:37:30Crash91well i have generally gleaned that a nice large/fat font is appreciable, should look cool, while staying moderately fast and is usable
11:37:52GodEater_bear in mind you have to make it work on greyscale targets as well if you want to submit it as a DefaultWPS though
11:37:57Crash91there really arent any good looking large fonts on rockbox...
11:38:08Crash91GodEater_: yep i know.
11:38:30Crash91ter is just to straightish for me
11:38:46Crash91a nicer curved version would be nice...say nimbus-16
11:39:09LinusNin any case, i think cabbie2.0 is a really nice candidate for a default wps
11:39:27LinusNit's not like you have to use it
11:39:49Crash91LinusN: yeah...i hardly look at mine...but well first impressions
11:39:59Bagderand in one blow, it'll void all reviews saying it looks like crap at default startup! ;-)
11:40:11LinusNwe really need to add support for a customizable status bar...
11:40:22Crash91exactly what i was thinkin
11:40:23markunpixelma: I just generated a bold version of 9+18x18, what do you think? vs
11:40:37LloreanLinusN: What I'd like to see done is, if it's available and satisfactory on 2/3 of targets by the new year, get it in as the default to hopefully encourage people to fill in the rest of the blanks. Otherwise set iCatcher as default to work out the kinks in "The default theme isn't the compiled in theme" and commit the Cabbie 2.0s that we do have so that people can see them on target while the rest get finished, then switch it over.
11:41:05Lloreanmarkun: Not bad
11:41:37Crash91i really think that there should be customisable statusbar icons at the very least..
11:42:00markunLlorean: any idea which book it is? :)
11:42:03Crash91i mean...all this about the text being too cant change the size on the statusbar
11:42:07rashermarkun: the colon should probably not be bolded (or have a pixel added to the left of it)
11:42:23ZagorCrash91: the solution is to simply turn off the status bar and make your own
11:42:33LloreanZagor: Doesn't solve it for the menus though
11:42:38Zagormm, true
11:42:39LinusNZagor: only in the wps
11:42:40Lloreanmarkun: Doesn't look familiar to me.
11:42:41GodEater_markun: I give up - which book ?
11:42:51markunFear and Loathing in Las Vegas
11:43:06markuncrazy book :)
11:43:06Crash91Zagor: i dont mean in the WPS
11:43:19Lloreanmarkun: The writing style did make me think of hunter thompson
11:43:35Crash91outside of has a lotta potential for pimpin'
11:43:45ZagorI think cabby 2.0 definitely looks good enough to go in. now I want it for c200 :-)
11:44:08markunrasher: I think I'll commit the font as is, and later hand edit it
11:44:11Crash91yay! gimp worked!
11:44:36Zagorah, lookie!
11:44:36Crash91markun: any chance you could generate a nimbus-16?
11:44:51LloreanAs for the status bar, I personally would just like three things from it. 1) Set a height. 2) Replace the compiled in bitmaps with my own one. and 3) Reorder the elements. One could ask for more, but I think those are reasonable.
11:45:08*Crash91 agrees with Llorean
11:45:14markunrasher: I would like to change the hebrew and kana glyphs in the original font, then I would have to rebold it again and loose my changes
11:45:28markunCrash91: nope :)
11:45:35Crash91:) ah well
11:45:36rashermarkun: good point
11:45:50markunthey look completely out of style in the font
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11:46:02Crash91karashata gave me a huge font pack which worked okayish on RB, but they arent big enough
11:46:27ZagorCrash91: you can make any bitmap font into a rockbox font
11:46:51Crash91hmm...then how to make a nimbus-16
11:47:29markunCrash91: make one by hand :(
11:47:55markunpixelma and I worked on hand editing the nimbus fonts a bit, quite a lot of work
11:48:19ZagorCrash91: do you have a nimbus-16 bitmap font?
11:48:36markunmaybe anti-aliased scalable fonts will be the way to go in the end as screens get bigger (the m:robe's vga screen)
11:48:59Zagormarkun: we'll just throw in X11
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11:49:15GodEater_yay! E17 on my gigabeat!
11:52:06joey1hi everyone. About the default theme, i have made a version for the iriver h10 5/6GB...
11:52:34LinusNjoey1: nice! upload it to the wiki
11:52:52rasherNot many left to go then
11:53:40joey1should i post some screendumps on the forum first ?
11:53:51GodEater_we still need the ipod Video
11:54:13GodEater_does anyone have an opinion on whether it should even be attempted on the archoses ?
11:54:38BagderI think we can leave the current one for the archoses
11:54:53Bagdersince in fact, it was crafted for them
11:55:56joey1i have no idea how to upload it to the wiki (am i allowed?) and i dont know how to post a screendump sorry
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11:56:35GodEater_Bagder: I agree - I think that's the smart thing to do
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11:57:37markunjoey1: you need a wiki account and then someone in here needs to give you write permission
11:57:39joey1ive posted the theme at the misticriver site, should i have done that?
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11:58:10Bagderyou can post it anywhere you like, but misticriver is not associated with rockbox really
11:58:59joey1oh ok so i should repost it on rockbox wiki?
11:59:30LinusNplease do
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12:00:57joey1thanks for your help. i will do it maybe tomorrow. but i have to go now
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12:08:24markunoops, did a wrong commit from git :(
12:08:53markundB for balance control. Will revert it
12:09:00*Bagder offers markun the "I messed up" badge
12:09:16*markun humbly accepts
12:15:16*markun hopes he didn't screw up with the reverting..
12:16:05pixelmaok, changed the DefaultWPS page a bit - feel free to improve phrasing or layout.
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12:25:43pixelmaGodEater: but I really see no problem porting Cabbie 2.0 to the Archoses - you can easily use a smaller font there, it would only need monochrome graphic which can't be that fancy but are not impossible at all.
12:26:56pixelmaand it's a simple enough WPS
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12:30:14GodEater_pixelma: I await your contribution eagerly then ;)
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12:33:54preglowmarkun: did you solve the issue with one mas target having linear balance control, then?
12:34:22markunpreglow: it didn't have linear control after all
12:34:27markunbut I reverte my commit
12:35:16markunas the dB scale doesn't solve the real problem of it not sounding linear
12:35:53preglowyeah, that's why i'm still somewhat ambivalent
12:36:00preglowthere's no real point in making it db, apart from confusing users
12:36:19preglowi wonder why it doesn't sound linear, though
12:36:25Bagdermaybe we could have a new % vs db debate on the lists? ;-P
12:36:32*Bagder ducks
12:36:43markunBagder: we had it in here already ;)
12:37:09Bagdernothing's like bringing old flame wars back for another round
12:37:13preglowi've never ever seen a balance control with db units
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12:41:49pixelmaGodEater: not sure I care enough - only in the sense of "hey, why did they left out a version for my Ondio?" ;)
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12:45:23mrkikoSomeone having infos about mp3 players built upon the sigmatel msnc chipset?
12:47:16Bagderso you're looking for mp3 players that use that particular chipset? how come?
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12:50:10pixelmaGodEater: maybe I take the challenge just to prove the feasability (somehow it gives me the incentive). But there are also more important things wrt teh manual I want to do...
12:50:20mrkikoBagder: No. I'm not searching for them. I'm just noting that many many many mp3 players wich medium-low space capacity use it.
12:53:08mrkikoand so i was curious about the sigmatel chip.
12:53:25mrkikoAnd ... intersting is the fact those mp3 players use all the same firmware...
12:53:39Bagdersigmatel is just another one of the secret companies afaik
12:53:47Bagderalthough it seems they've opened up somewhat recently
12:54:18mrkikowhat do you mean for "secret companies"
12:54:24Bagderthey don't reveal docs
12:55:34mrkikoOn all those players you'll find "settings.dat" and so on. the problem
12:55:59mrkikois theyr low-quality set of components: rarely they survive a yer or so..
12:56:14Bagderso why bother with these players at all then?
12:57:17mrkikoBagder: the fact they are so much present in ther market makes me think it would be better if we could know more things about them, generally. Porting rockbox to them aniway would be, in my opinion, difficult: they are simply too small.
12:58:29Crash91Badger: IIRC, i have a sigmatel sound chip in my lappy
12:58:31Crash91well break is over
12:58:34Crash91gotta go
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12:59:29amiconnmrkiko: If these sigmatels use the same core as the sigmatel chip used in the ipod shuffle 1st gen, a rockbox port is simply out of question
12:59:30Bagdermrkiko: I actually don't agree on the knowledge part. There are a bazillion of chips and circuits out there. If they're not used in interesting targets I consider it a waste of time to bother with thenm
12:59:59amiconnThere is no gcc port (and afaik no other free c compiler) for the cpu architecture
13:03:38mrkikono problems guys... :)
13:03:49mrkikoI was not proposing a port...
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13:04:39LinusNscared me for a moment there :-)
13:05:40preglowisn't that a 56k core?
13:06:07amiconnyes, afaik
13:06:22preglowi've coded asm for that, but the assembler was very proprietary, yes
13:08:08preglowanother one of those things i can't really see being very efficient with a c compiler
13:08:26preglowbut it's a quite nice arch for dsp, of course
13:08:47preglowand using c will be pure trouble due to data type being 24 bits, of course
13:09:07mrkikoHi all! ...
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13:11:29pixelmappet? ;)
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13:13:12LloreanAnyone know what "Digital Echo" could mean?
13:13:35LinusNa dsp algorithm?
13:14:00LloreanIn the context of "My optical recordings sound funny, like with that digital echo sound, you know what I mean?"
13:14:40pixelmaNico_P: read the logs?
13:15:05Nico_Ppixelma: no, from when?
13:16:57pixelmathis night shortly afte you'd left. I found the cause why pictureflow was not picking up any of my album art, after that I could get the one I renamed to cover.bmp to show up but still not the "album name.bmp" ones
13:17:39pixelmaand I still wonder what I should do with the reordered plugin button action contexts...
13:19:45Nico_Ppixelma: I had a few problems which were due to FAT32's case insensitivity which caused the DB to not pick up some renames I had made
13:20:07Nico_PI just rebuilt is and everything was fine again
13:20:45Nico_Pthe albumnames thing is strange because jott tested the plugin using this type of AA
13:20:47pixelmahmm... don't see how this is related here
13:21:18Nico_Pjust thought it might be worth mentioning... the "!" issue reminded me of it
13:21:45pixelmathe database does not have a problem with it at all
13:26:43pixelmaah, but had to rebuild the database, now it shows the albumname.bmps too...
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13:33:17Nico_Pone thing I'd like to do is add AA support in the database
13:34:02pixelmaNico_P: I still wish it would work if the folder contains a ! (or maybe some other unusual but allowed character)
13:34:48LloreanNico_P: by filename?
13:35:15pixelmaand fix the keymap issue... I just tried an e200 sim with the different order and it still seems to be operable...
13:35:49pixelmajott tested on his Ipod and it also didn't break things
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13:37:26dany_21aquick question: is that normal, that the cheaper Sansa e200 player, which has no radio support (with orginal FW) plays radio with rockbox? (i mean, im not complaining or so :) )
13:38:54Nico_Ppixelma: I don't think the "!" thing is up to me... it must be something in the db code
13:39:07pixelmayes, if it has the radio which was only disabled in software in the original firmware (known that this is entirely possible)
13:39:18pixelma^at dany_21a
13:39:20Nico_PLlorean: yeah, I'd like to add something similar to what pictureflow does, but in the DB
13:39:39Nico_P(associate a bitmap file to each album)
13:39:43dany_21ajezz.. so you are paying abour 35€ only for a flag in the fw −− nice from sandisk
13:39:58Nico_PI have no idea how hard it would be though, I don't know the DB code at all
13:40:59pixelmaNico_P: but why does the rest of the database get along with it well? *puzzled and doubting*
13:41:00Nico_Ppixelma: about the keymap issue, I missed some parts... is the fix simply to reverse the generic_directions and generic_actions in the button mappings?
13:41:50pixelmayes, this allowed me to enter the menu on the c200... and is a really quick fix
13:42:05Nico_Pok, I'll include it in the next commit
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13:42:55Nico_Ppixelma: the plugin doesn't do much on its own... it basically uses DB queries and the album art search code
13:43:14Nico_Pbut those two weren't used in conjunction before
13:49:54pixelmaNico_P: huh... ok, problem "solved". I just renamed it back, then updated the database again, started pictureflow fresh and everything's fine. I renamed the folder once (it had no ! a while ago but thought my database was up-to-date, apparently it wasn't) :( Sorry for the confusion...
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13:50:19Nico_Pno problem ;)
13:50:36pixelma"renamed back" meaning that it now has the ! again
13:51:23Nico_Ptwo (three with dircache) successive layers of caching can lead to weird things...
13:52:28pixelmano dircache on c200 and even if there was, I don't need it
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14:01:20adaranhey everyone
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14:05:05roolkuNico_P: I have thought a little about integrating the pictureflow with the database
14:05:20pixelmadany_21a: I believe that _some_ e200s really don't have the hardware (just hearsay though). And IIRC it was some legal issues that made Sandisk disable the radio in the european versions first (don't know what changed since then but now players with and without radio are available)
14:05:42roolkuNico_P: one problem is that there is a many-to-many relationship between album name textstrings and coverimages
14:07:14roolkuNico_P: so I wouldn't treat them the same, but have a seperate tag/entry coverimage in the database which basically contains the path to the image
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14:08:38Nico_Proolku: we could store only one pic per album
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14:09:03adarancan anyone tell me where the rockbox bootloader is saved in? i want to restore my ipod to factory settings, however, simply blanking the partition table and using the restore utility did not remove it
14:09:20adarani'm somewhat hesitant to try zeroing the whole device (when it's in disk mode)
14:09:28GodEater_adaran: it's stored in the 1st partition of the device
14:09:42GodEater_we inject it into Apple's firmware image
14:09:42roolkuNico_P: but which one? I could have tracks from the same album in different directories? or images linked by filename
14:09:50adaranGodEater, could zero-ing brick it?
14:10:01GodEater_adaran: no - the ipod is virtually unbrickable
14:10:03LinusNthe restore utility should have worked
14:10:14adarannow, here are my curious questions:
14:10:18adaranwhy is it called 'firmware'?
14:10:36adaranisn't there a minimal 'firmware' that loads diskmode, and allows the restore to work?
14:10:45GodEater_yes - that's stored in flash
14:10:47GodEater_not on the disk
14:10:51Nico_Proolku: I was thinking of only looking for cover.bmp and albumname.bmp (ie dropping trackname.bmp), but having tracks from the same album in different dirs could be a problem though
14:10:52GodEater_and we don't touch it
14:10:52adaranso when in diskmode, i'm only accessing the disk
14:11:01roolkuNico_P: it is a similar problem to relating a year to an album name
14:11:12Nico_Proolku: how is it solved?
14:11:24adarani see. so if i just dd if=/dev/zero the whole disk (which is flash memory on my nano but nvm =)), i should have a pristine ipod?
14:11:55GodEater_adaran: well sort of. It won't load the old firmware anymore either
14:12:09adaranGodEater, yeah, well, i was just wondering because i:
14:12:21GodEater_adaran: it sounds to be like the iTunes restore didn't work for some reason though - as that's all you need to do to remove Rockbox's bootloader
14:12:21roolkuNico_P: it isn't. closest is my yearalbum patch i.e. aggregation on the concatenation of year and album
14:12:25adaranGodEater, 1. zeroed the parttable with cfdisk -z, write, quit on the dev
14:12:38adaranGodEater, 2. used the itunes restore.
14:12:54GodEater_why did you feel the need to mess with the partition table ?
14:12:56adaranhmm, okay, i'll look for the culprit there.
14:13:07GodEater_the itunes restore doesn't require it
14:13:32adaranjust for fun i guess. actually, the restore didn't work. though i'm slowly getting the feeling that it may be a bug in the VM i use to flash
14:13:44Nico_Proolku: which FS number is it?
14:13:45adaran(not sure how well the virtual machine's USB thingy is working)
14:13:46roolkuNico_P: but if we can live with not having an album string displayed, I think using the path name as an identifier would be better here
14:13:53GodEater_and another question, why didn't you use ipodpatcher to just uninstall our bootloader ?
14:14:00GodEater_which is far less destructive
14:14:24Nico_Proolku: you mean having the AA path stored for each track?
14:14:27adaranGodEater, well, if you say it's hard to brick, i'm confident that i can restore it. however, i installed rockbox a year ago or so and forgot how that went
14:14:30GodEater_and why use a VM !?! This seems needlessly complicated
14:14:48pixelmaGodEater: I really wonder about why the Ipods now have to be put into disk mode manually. On the c200 it still reboots into OF when connecting to USB unless you hold "select" and that reboot works more reliable for me now than before btw.
14:14:49adaranGodEater, i didn't even know it was on there, until i used the restore utility in a twisted way and rockbox booted (or rather, the bootloader complained)
14:15:01roolkuNico_P: yes (although really only one instance and various pointers will be stored)
14:15:25GodEater_pixelma: I have no clue - I was just guessing really ;)
14:15:36Nico_Proolku: then maybe we could group tracks that use the same AA?
14:15:46Nico_Pstill better than nothing
14:16:12roolkuNico_P: yes exacly my thoughts
14:16:24Nico_Pthis would improve pictureflow big time :)
14:16:33GodEater_adaran: I recommend this page :
14:17:11Nico_Proolku: sorry for being a bit slow... I'm totally unfamiliar with the DB code... how much work do you think this would be?
14:17:19adaranGodEater_, thanks
14:18:23roolkuNico_P: the database side is fairly straight forward, but the linking to the plugin might not be
14:18:28pixelmaGodEater: ...and I thought you would now more... ;) Still wondering if that's a bug or something that got lost, or if it's something that can't be done the same on both Ipods and Sansas *shrug*
14:18:51GodEater_pixelma: I've never been near the USB code on either target.
14:19:20roolkuNico_P: so assuming I could pass you a list of path names to images, you somehow need to give me one (the selected) back
14:19:21adaranGodEater_, one last question: the ipod restore utility will fix the partition table, too right?
14:19:22Nico_Proolku: it wouldn't be very different from what is done curently (ie getting a list of albums), would it?
14:19:46Nico_Proolku: I don't think it would be too hard
14:19:56GodEater_adaran: it should do yes
14:20:12GodEater_adaran: but doing it manually as on the page requires you restore an MBR from one of the images we hold
14:20:41roolkuNico_P: would you maintain a cache of all images or scan for every new query?
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14:20:58Nico_Pprobably maintain a cache, as it's done ATM
14:21:10GodEater_pixelma: I do remember when we had that problem on the ipods with them not staying in Rockbox when you plugged in USB unless you held the menu key down for a looooong time. Maybe the USB controller on it is still a bit fussy ?
14:21:23adaranGodEater_, it's a 1 GB ipod. there are only MBRs for 2GB+. if what i'm trying now fails, i'll try with those and correct the size of the second partition, i think, right now i'm giving dd-zero + ipod restore utility another try
14:21:45GodEater_adaran: ok - good luck
14:21:56adaranGodEater_, thanks =)
14:22:06GodEater_adaran: if you get a working ipod from the ipod restore util - could you supply us with the MBR afterwards ?
14:22:11GodEater_so we can keep it for others
14:22:19adaranGodEater_, sure. where do i send it?
14:22:23adaranGodEater_, first 512 bytes, iirc?
14:22:25pixelmaGodEater: well the post reads as if you knew more details (maybe something you read here and I didn't) ;) Wouldn't make me wonder if there still are glitches
14:22:49roolkuNico_P: so potentially there could be images not in the cache and you need to fetch them? how about updated images
14:23:09Nico_Proolku: we'll need to think about that, yes
14:23:14GodEater_adaran: yep - first 512 bytes. If you have wiki access, just put it on the conversion page yourself.
14:23:25GodEater_if you don't, sign up - and I'll give you access :)
14:24:15GodEater_pixelma: perhaps I should delete the post then. I just assumed this was the case - I wasn't aware of the situation on the sansa.
14:25:24adaranyour 'wikiname' policy sucks =)
14:26:13GodEater_adaran: we like to make sure we have proper legal names for all contributors. If you don't like it then find some file sharing site, upload it there, and I'll post it myself.
14:26:41adaranGodEater_, silly me, i'll just put it up on a webserver
14:26:46GodEater_or that
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14:27:16adaranunfortunately, it didn't work...
14:27:29adaranstill greeting me with 'restore me!'
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14:28:04roolkuNico_P: is it possible to run the plugin without stopping music play?
14:28:37Nico_Proolku: in theory yes, but it will only work if there is free buffer space
14:28:56roolkuNico_P: buffer=audio buffer?
14:29:07Nico_Pit uses the buffering API
14:29:47adaranGodEater_, it wrote a parttable (of which cfdisk tells me that it's broken), i think, curious
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14:29:53GodEater_adaran: I find this for the partition table as it should appear on a 1G Nano :
14:30:09roolkuI'll have a go at it tonight, need to do some paid work now :(
14:30:29Nico_Proolku: ok, thanks :)
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14:32:10GodEater_adaran: oops - ignore that one - this is the right layout :
14:32:27GodEater_the previous one was too short
14:32:53adaranGodEater_, checking. so damn messy to use the restore through VirtualBox
14:33:02GodEater_don't do it then
14:33:08GodEater_use the manual method
14:33:12GodEater_and use that partition layout
14:36:58adaranGodEater_, isn't that a broken parttable (i'm curious)
14:37:22GodEater_no - that's a valid one
14:37:24adaranGodEater_, if i manually recreate using fdisk and enter 10 cylinder as a boundary, i only get 38409 blocks
14:37:34adaranGodEater_, ah, well, the ipod updater created one like this:
14:39:22GodEater_you cylinders and heads are all wrong
14:40:42GodEater_ <−− see there
14:42:19adaranGodEater_, ah, k
14:43:34adaranGodEater_, changed those. now i've got exactly what you've got
14:44:03GodEater_in that case you should be good to go with the manual restore
14:44:09GodEater_no more need for a vm
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14:45:35adaranGodEater_, yeah. i guess i need to use mkfs.vfat instead of newfs_msdos?
14:46:34GodEater_I've never used the latter
14:46:40GodEater_so I recommend mkfs.vfat
14:47:13GodEater_LinusN / Bagder : I've just constructed a 1G Nano MBR - could someone upload it to with all the others ?
14:47:17adaranGodEater_, i belive the latter you'd find on a bsd system or something like that =)
14:47:43GodEater_ah probably
14:48:21adaranGodEater_, k, now trying the reboot
14:48:23GodEater_or Zagor if you're here ?
14:48:46adaranGodEater_, seems to be working. do you still need that mbr?
14:49:43GodEater_adaran: no, I just built my own with a bit of losetup magic ;)
14:51:20adarank =)
14:51:32adarani guess i'll save myself a dd image now, and lots of trouble later =)
14:51:38GodEater_good idea
14:53:32GodEater_adaran: actually - put your mbr up somewhere
14:53:38GodEater_I want to compare it the one I just faked
14:53:42GodEater_see if I did a good job or not
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14:54:50adarank. mine may not be pretty clean though, not sure how much the VM thingy messed with it. it's the result of dd-zero'ing the whole device, running the restore once (which failed), editing the parttable to match the one you show me with fdisk
14:55:25GodEater_it's good enough that your device boots
14:55:43GodEater_that's proof enough that it's a "good" mbr
14:56:21adarani'm wondering, how big is that firmware btw?
14:56:28GodEater_Apple's ?
14:56:31ZagorGodEater_: I'm here
14:56:39adarancan i shave some space of partition one?
14:56:41GodEater_dunno - how big was the ipsw after it was unzipped ?
14:57:19GodEater_Zagor: could you put it on please ?
14:57:47GodEater_and if possible - delete the attachment I put on the wiki page
14:57:54GodEater_I didn't realise they weren't held there initially
14:58:05GodEater_ <−− wiki page in question
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14:58:44GodEater_thank you
14:59:09GodEater_adaran: thanks :)
14:59:20adarank, now i have to find out what magic voodoo i did last time to get amarok to write a non-broken itms-db
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14:59:57adaranGodEater_, thanks a lot =)
15:01:00adarannow i can finally leave the house
15:01:05adaransee ya'll!
15:01:53GodEater_crap - they're hugely different
15:03:19GodEater_Zagor: could you replace the one I just gave you with this one please ?">
15:03:25GodEater_sorry to muck you about
15:04:18Zagorhehe, no problem
15:04:46GodEater_it seems it's not so easy to fake one with losetup and dd =/
15:05:06*GodEater_ waits for it to get mirrored
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15:14:09Nico_Pamiconn: I have a question: is it faster to use clear_display or fillrect (on only a part of the screen)?
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15:24:01thegeekI get "could not load empty slide" when I run pictureflow, cover works in a cover-enabled wps,..
15:26:57Nico_Pthegeek: is music playing?
15:27:40jottNico_P: we should check the available buffer space at startup.. :)
15:28:08Nico_Pjott: hi! yeah maybe... or display a more informative error message
15:28:19Nico_PI'm about to commit your patch and a few other changes btw
15:28:29jottah good
15:28:30Nico_Palso I got the album text to scroll
15:29:04Nico_PI won't commit that at the same time, though, because I'll need you to check it
15:29:11Nico_Pand it needs a few improvements
15:29:26jottok sure.. maybe just put it in your git and i'll pull it
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15:38:08*Nico_P added pictureflow to the majorchanges page
15:40:10preglowwhy isn't that added to the front page, still?
15:40:59Nico_Phehe, you think it's frontpage news? :p
15:42:12Nico_Pmeh, we already have a "bug report" for pictureflow, which is just a feature wishlist :/
15:45:04preglownot that
15:45:12preglowi think majorchanges should be linked to by the front page
15:45:37thegeekNico_P: sorry; yes
15:45:53Nico_Ppreglow: ah, yes. I agree
15:46:06Nico_Pthegeek: you have to stop playback
15:47:16CaptainSquidis it planned to add an entry for pictureflow to the main menu instead of the plugin/demos-menu?
15:47:22jottis there actually a non-too-intrusive way to limit the buffer usage of the audio playback?
15:47:44Nico_Pjott: no. I'm trying to think of something
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15:48:57jotti guess there are probably more applications that could use some of the ram.. are there actually any statistics on how much the battery-life is impacted if say the buffer is reduced by 10 mb?
15:49:04jott(on 32 mb devices)
15:52:19Nico_Pjott: be carefult before you say more... this is a sensitive issue here ;)
15:53:43Nico_Psome might consider bufalloc an already daring intrusion in the dynamic memory allocation territory :)
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15:58:37jottyeah, well i guess it boils down to the question, if low-end devices should limit the possibilities of high-end devices..
15:59:15Nico_Pjott: the main goal of rockbox is still to play music, so we want to save as much space as possible for music
15:59:50Nico_Phaving less space for it means the disk has to spin more, causing reduced runtime (less true on flash mem targets)
16:02:05jottyes this is true.. are actually raw pcm data buffered or the encoded audio files?
16:02:09preglowit really doesn't boil down to that at all in this case
16:02:16preglownot using malloc is a design decision
16:02:18preglowand one i like
16:02:29preglowi really don't miss memory leaks
16:02:47preglowand having to statically allocate memory forces you to be more aware of your memory use
16:03:02preglowcoders generally aren't too good at using resources carefully these days
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16:05:49jottpreglow: well it depends... if 512kb are enough for "all" applications, then you are right ;)
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16:07:19Nico_Pjott: the only (IIRC) case where 512K weren't enough (before PF) was the JPEG viewer
16:08:00jottand doom :)
16:08:10jottand pictureflow
16:08:15jottand maybe more.. who knows :)
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16:10:17Nico_Pdoom (and some codecs too) has a malloc implementation ;)
16:11:01jottheh personal workaround certificates for everyone :)
16:12:24Nico_Pthese mallocs are only there because doom/the codecs were designed around them though... for codecs the goal is to remove all need for malloc
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16:13:08jottwell and because doom would not run with 512k ;)
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16:37:25ironic94chi anybody knows where to get an old firmware for ipod nano 1. gen?
16:37:57scorche|wold rockbox firmware?
16:38:25ironic94cno old apple firmware...the new itunes loads the newest firmware when i want to reset my ipod
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16:38:56krazykitironic94c, that's offtopic here. this channel is about rockbox.
16:39:08ironic94cyes its for installing rockbox
16:39:34ironic94cit doesnt work with the newest firmware doesnt it?
16:40:13scorche|wwhere did you hear that?
16:41:15krazykitironic94c, i think you may be confused. rockbox does not work with the latest *generation* of ipods, the classic, touch, 2nd and 3rd generation nanos
16:41:15ironic94ci thought so?or can i reset my ipod with itunes 7.5 (first it resets the ipod, then it automatically updates it) and then install the loader + rockbox?
16:41:44ironic94caah...doesnt have something to do with the firmware of the ipod? woo thanks =)
16:42:05scorche| could always try it and find out ;)
16:42:14ironic94cok =)
16:42:54ironic94cso rockbox works with 1.3.1?
16:43:22scorche| could always try it and find out ;)
16:43:33ironic94ck -_- ^^
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16:50:06amiconnNico_P: The last bug on PluginPictureFlow (and maybe also the secondlast) sound like the plugin is leaking file handles
16:50:46Nico_Pamiconn: I think it's more likely to be the 99 albums limit
16:51:38Nico_Phmm actually that limit is 1024 now... :/
16:52:24Nico_Pamiconn: hmm yeah you're right I wasn't thinking of the right one
16:55:52Nico_Phmm I found the leak, thanks :)
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17:46:25Crash91Nico_P: Just saw the pictureflow thing...does it work on the sansa?
17:46:47jottCrash91: should be..
17:47:23GodEater_Crash91: should work on all targets - as most of our plugins do
17:47:25*petur wonders about the PictureFlow splash screen. It shows up sooo briefly it's just not worth it...
17:47:26Crash91okay, just wanted to know, there is finally a bigger reason to get AA for all my music
17:47:47GodEater_Crash91: you know it's just a picture viewer right ? It doesn't select anything to play ?
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17:48:05jottpetur: it's a waiting screen if you have alot of album art it will stay there for quite a while on first startup..
17:48:22jottbut you are right.. on the second start it's not necessary to show at all
17:48:24Crash91GodEater_: does it display the current album art?
17:48:31GodEater_current meaning what ?
17:48:40Crash91of the current track
17:48:48GodEater_I doubt it
17:48:55GodEater_it's not tied to the playback engine
17:49:35jottno it's not tied to the playback engine yet.. it's currently just a "demo" not even a application ;)
17:50:39Crash91ok, but in the future hopefully, it will be tied to the playback engine
17:51:01GodEater_I imagine that's on the to do list :)
17:51:27Crash91:) well, ill wait
17:51:31Crash91but still
17:51:38Crash91im gonna AA all my songs today..
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18:06:28pixelmapetur: I enjoy the "ictureFlo" splash on the c200 :P
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18:23:33preglowpixelma: yeah, it's clamped on nano too, heh
18:23:38preglownot that badly, though
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18:35:35pixelmahmm... do I see correctly that pictureflow does not use the external bitmap functions as others do (at least the code to load the logo bmp doesn't look like that but not sure...)
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18:57:16berlinbullethmmm, so i'm curious here... i cant seem to find the scrolling margins patch anywhere, and i cant seem to apply the bmp resize patch, it just gives me an error when trying to patch files
19:00:32PaulJamthe scrolling margin is now in the official build (with the limitation that you can only specify the right margin)
19:01:28PaulJamright = correct
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19:09:51berlinbulletah, cool, i was wondering since i cant seem to get some wps to work correctly, some just revert to rockbox default
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19:12:54pixelmano wonder I never saw the "Preparing album artwork" in the pictureflow plugin - it's hardcoded to be drawn at an y-offset of 100 pixels...
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19:31:15fr0y0hey, can someone help me to get this theme to work?
19:31:43fr0y0when i try to load one of the .wps it just says "Loading.." for not even a second and then nothing happens
19:31:51fr0y0and i don't know what's missing :/
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19:33:40fr0y0and yes, the player is an X5 ^^
19:34:01fr0y0and i downloaded everything that's in the description
19:34:36fr0y0even the thing that says "Use this only if you know how to add the changes". which i don't :D
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19:35:49berlinbulletdid you use the required build?
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19:36:24berlinbulletit might just be a broken wps, i know i've run into a few of them as well
19:36:41Domonokythose are "unsupported builds" not much help here i think :-)
19:37:33fr0y0berlinbullet: happens on all of them :/
19:37:54fr0y0Domonoky: tho chances are that there are people here who had the same problem :>
19:38:07fr0y0or even the developer himself
19:38:36berlinbulletfr0y0: try goin back to the supported build and run some wps from there?
19:39:24fr0y0let's see..
19:39:24Domonokythe problem with those "unsupported builds" is that we dont know what he has changed.. so the bug could be anywhere, you could ask in the forum thread for this build..
19:39:58pregloware there no 60 gig gigabeat s around? :/
19:40:28berlinbullet60s are hard to find i think
19:41:05berlinbulletlovin my 40 though :)
19:41:18preglowis 60 gig gigabeat s physically larger than 30 ?
19:41:30berlinbulleti dont believe so
19:41:34preglowmy largest dap now is 20 gig, i'd love to update more than just 10 gig
19:42:10berlinbulletdo you have a gigabeat right now? you can swap out the HDD with an 80 gb
19:43:26toffe82preglow: the 30 use a 5mm hd and the 60 a 8mm hd so if you don't have the good case you cannot upgrade
19:45:30preglowtoffe82: :/
19:45:54fr0y0haha -_- i can't rename the rockbox directory to .rockbox... windows tells me to enter a filename before the .
19:45:57preglowtoffe82: are the 60s as hard to get as it seems, though?
19:46:05preglowfr0y0: go windows!
19:46:31toffe82preglow: I didn't check on ebay for a long time now....
19:48:57fr0y0preglow: cheated it with cmd ;P
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19:52:39fr0y0berlinbullet: it really did the trick ^^
19:52:55fr0y0i would've tried athousand other thing before thinking of that
19:54:35fr0y0ah, crap.. only works halfway now...
19:54:45fr0y0well, whatever. movies > rockbox ^^
19:55:07pixelmafr0y0: if I see correctly you are now running an age old build in Rockbox terms (over half a year old)...
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20:02:03berlinbulletfr0y0: what worked? just using a supported build?
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20:15:28*GodEater wonders how blackhawk manages to maintain a post count of 1 on the forums
20:19:19XavierGrpreglow: you can get good deals on ebay if you keep an eye on them
20:20:13XavierGrthat's how I got mine for just 120euros. (though the back plate is carved with a scratch as if someone was trying to slaughter it with a machete)
20:22:21scorche|wGodEater: unsupported builds forum doesnt count?
20:23:01GodEaterit doesn't ?
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20:24:23scorche|wnope...look at his post count and his last posts
20:24:35scorche|wor post once in an unsupported build thread and test
20:25:25GodEaterI can't be bothered
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21:18:37Workaphobiathe part of the file browser that allows you to hold select for a bit longer to get an alternate menu, what gui element provides that? Can it be done in the menu api, to allow two different actions for one item?
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21:27:41GodEaterWorkaphobia: it's already available in the menu - most of the top level menu items have a context menu too
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21:30:28WorkaphobiaI don't think it's documented on the wiki
21:30:36Workaphobiabut my friend says he found it in the source
21:33:26*pixelma regrets not being on the users' mailing list for the first time
21:33:55scorche|wpixelma: you mean the voice mailing list? :)
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21:36:11pixelmathat's the one I mean but I'd like to answer mail that's not voice related ;)
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21:41:20pixelmaI don't even now if I could join in this thread if I registered now...
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21:45:02Workaphobiawhat topic has you so interested?
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21:47:46pixelmaI'd like to answer the last mail in the "Sansa e200 & flash card" thread
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21:51:43*Soap is surprised such a Rockbox institution (dare I use such a word? I do) as pixelma isn't registered on the User ML.
21:52:16*petur isn't on the user ML either....
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21:53:09preglowjhMikeS: hows video going? :)
21:53:14SoapI'm aghast.
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21:55:32*Nico_P doesn't read the user ML either
21:55:52Nico_Pdevs who do usually complain about it :p
21:56:19Bagders/user ML/voice ML ;-)
21:56:37scorche|wBagder: thats what i said a few lines up ;)
21:56:48pixelmaSoap: thanks for the support ;)
21:56:53BagderI felt a need to underline it ;-)
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22:10:46preglowpictureview looks really weird on nano now
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22:10:56Nico_Ppreglow: how so ?
22:11:02preglowleft side of pictures are clipped while they're moving
22:11:37preglowthe logo is severely broken too
22:11:52peturNico_P: are you going to add a splash that tells the user that he needs to enable database? If database is off, all you get is a black screen
22:12:08Nico_Ppreglow: have you updated?
22:12:15Nico_Ppetur: ah, good point
22:12:15preglowNico_P: just did a full update
22:12:26preglowi'll do a full rebuild and see if some build related stuff went wrong
22:13:12senabthats why im getting a black screen then
22:14:13senabcan it only work with database then?
22:14:19jhMikeSpreglow: got a nice disk buffer implementation going now (direct-mapped file cache and really simple)
22:14:36Nico_Psenab: yes
22:15:31pixelmaand it only works correctly if your database is up to date... ;)
22:15:39Soapis it explained somewhere why database is needed? I haven't seen such a discussion, but I don't want to make you rehash all that again if I am woefully underread.
22:16:14Nico_PSoap: I don't know, but it's needed because the album titles are displayed. the goal is to be able to also show a track listing
22:16:22preglowNico_P: i got garbled built-in bitmaps just now
22:16:27preglowthe logo and the unknown album bitmaps
22:16:43Nico_Pbut I'm considering offering plain FS as an alternative
22:16:50preglowNico_P: but isn't 100x100 usable for nano anymore? the sides of the covers get clipped while moving now
22:16:51Nico_Ppreglow: did you rebuild the cache ?
22:16:55preglowNico_P: yes
22:17:02pixelmapreglow: make clean?
22:17:33preglowalso, the small "unknown album" bitmaps look weird compared to the big album bitmaps
22:17:50Nico_Ppreglow: ah, 100x100 is usable, but the preferred size was set to 50x50...
22:17:57senabgotta say, it's very nice
22:17:57preglow50x50 is unusable...
22:18:10senabvery smooth on my e200
22:18:11preglow100x100 worked just fine previously, why nerf it?
22:18:28linuxstbSoap: That was my first reaction when I saw the commit - the fact that it depended on the DB...
22:18:30Nico_Ppreglow: the change was aimed at smaller screens
22:18:45preglowNico_P: then why does it affect nano?
22:19:07senabbut i don't use database so i can't really use it
22:19:14pixelmaNico_P: seen my remarks about the logo bitmap not using the usual implementation and the "Preparing album artwork" line being hardcoded (so that it doesn't show up on c200) earlier?
22:19:16Nico_Pbecause it checks for (LCD_WIDTH < 200), which may be a little much
22:19:34preglowNico_P: another bug, if you enter the menu while the text is fading, the menu text will end up the fade colour
22:19:47Nico_Ppixelma: I'm not familiar with the "usual" implementation but I'll look
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22:19:56Nico_Phaha nice
22:20:25pixelmaNico_P: got a patch (but made before the last update)
22:20:31preglowNico_P: well, i can only recommend the simulator for seeing how the screen looks, i think the nano can take bitmaps bigger than 50x50 juuust nicely
22:20:34preglow100x100 was veruy ok
22:20:49SoapI guess I'll build with database now!
22:21:04pregloweven i have database enabled for my nano now .)
22:21:10Nico_Ppreglow: problem is building a new sim with AA and DB is kind of a PITA
22:21:24preglowNico_P: oh? why
22:21:46senabjust stick one file in their with an album tag and a cover.bmp
22:21:47Nico_Pwell when you start a new sim build its archos/ dir is empty
22:21:56preglowsymlink in a music dir
22:22:02Nico_Psenab: I use a symlink to my actual collection
22:22:24Nico_Ppreglow: yeah but then I need to rebuild the AA for the new screen size and rebuild the DB
22:22:50preglowoh, indeed
22:22:53linuxstbCan't you just cp the database files?
22:25:24Nico_Plinuxstb: that's true
22:26:36senabnicoP: whats the future plan with the plugin?
22:31:21Nico_Psenab: displaying a track list, and we'll try to allow starting playback of an album too
22:31:40senabthat'd be nice
22:31:42Nico_Palso I'd like to integrate AA in the core DB code
22:32:22senabit'd be nice to have it accessible from the main menu
22:34:24senabbut obviously it would need to work for both FS and DB
22:35:08Nico_Ppreglow: does checking the LCD height against 150 sound ok for using the small pics?
22:36:57pixelmathat doesn't make much sense
22:37:36Nico_Pwhy doesn't it? a 100x100 AA+ the reflection is almost that high
22:37:42pixelmathen the e200 would use the bigger ones and the nano the smaller even though the displays have the same width
22:38:39jottpixelma: without bitmap scaling in the core we have to find a compromise somehow :)
22:38:49*jott reads a bit of the backlog
22:39:03Nico_Poh yes I thought the nano's screen was 176 high, then maye using 132 as a limit value?
22:39:14*jott builds a nano sim
22:39:35pixelmato me the width is the more interesting factor there, the reflection isn't that important to me (entirely personal opinion though)
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22:39:54senab+1 pixelma
22:40:25pixelmaprobably because my colour target has some sort of widescreen display ;)
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22:41:12*Bagder votes for adding bitmap scaling to the core
22:41:40senabmy screen is portrait so it doesn't affect me anyway
22:41:50*Nico_P votes for someone implementing it
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22:42:08senabwasnt their a patch anyway?
22:42:25Nico_Pyeah but it's quite bad
22:44:44preglowjhMikeS said he might have a look some time...
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22:45:46jhMikeSpreglow: We want fancy stuff?
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22:48:52Nico_Ptrilinear filtering!
22:50:03Nico_Ppreglow: should the X5 and H10 use 100x100 or 50x50?
22:50:17Nico_Pthey both have 128 px high screens
22:50:33pixelmaNico_P: small H10 or big H10? ;)
22:50:56Nico_Pboth have the same screen height :)
22:50:58jottpreglow: i tested it on a nano.. i must say with 50x50 album art it looks good to me..
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22:51:22jottso it's probably something you want to configure in someplace as taste differs :)
22:51:39pixelmajott: you can't compare what you see in the sim with the real target - the pixels on your monitor may have a different size...
22:51:40jottbest way would be to scale the "?" and derive the size from the aa found..
22:52:04jottpixelma: how much dpi does a nano have?
22:53:03pixelmaand the Nano ones are quite small (similar to the Video, I _guess_). I don't have a Nano just remember that its 176x132 display is smaller than the 112x64 one of my Ondio :)
22:54:05jottmy screen has 150 dpi so it's quite close to most devices i guess :)
22:54:06pixelmayou could have a look into the DeviceChart wiki and calculate them (it lists the physical dimensions of the displays)
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22:56:16pixelmathe dpi vary quite a lot and even though I know it, I'm sometimes very surprised about how different it can look on target
22:56:34jottnano has quite the same dpi as my lcd ;)
22:57:56kugelanyone of the pictureflow crew here?
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22:58:27kugelI wanted to ask, if the album title can be put to the top
22:59:00kugelon the bottom, it's overlapping with the beautiful reflections
22:59:21jotthm that's atleast a valid argument
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23:01:09senabi think i've found a small bug in coverflow. The bmp is cropped when it's in motion, then suddenly fills out when its finished
23:02:14senabi also +1 kugels request as the text has a solid background and kinda ruins the reflection
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23:12:34kugeljott: so, are you gonna do that?
23:12:52jotti'll try how it looks..
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23:25:16supefmAnyone know why when I try to charge my sansa e200 with rockboxthis USB icon comes up and the music stops playing?
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23:26:03pixelmado you hold "select" when you plug the USB?
23:26:57supefmoh, tried doing that and it worked :/
23:27:36preglowjott: good, but too damned small
23:28:01pixelmasupefm: if you don't it should automatically reboot into the OF for a data connection, though I've heard that doesn't work reliably on the e200
23:28:13jottpreglow: yeah.. in the end it's more of a personal taste...
23:28:27supefmnope, doesn't do that for me
23:28:34supefmshould I be charging in the old firmware?
23:29:57Traveler4any idea if the recorder and headphone jack could be rigged to transfer data between devices?
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23:31:02CasainhoBagder: Are there?
23:31:10pixelmasupefm: personally I don't trust charging on sansas in rockbox yet (I have a c200 but it's quite similar)
23:37:10jottanyone having issues with "popping" on pictureflow, here is a way to reduce it a little.. i would appreciate some feedback..
23:41:38kugelwhat do you mean with popping?
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23:49:11jottkugel: when the album art in relation to the screen too large, while scrolling a "popping" effect occurs..
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23:50:01jottit's still not perfect with this patch but imho better
23:50:11kugelI didn't notice that
23:50:29kugelhowever, I'm using a custom build
23:50:56jottyeah as mentioned it does not occur when you have a "good relation between screen size and album art size" :-)
23:51:32jott(so i did not notice this until i tested a nano with 100x100 aa ;-)
23:53:07kugelI've 1 200x200 for testing
23:53:11kugelno popping
23:55:01jottwell don't care if you had no issue before (and no issue after) the patch ..;)
23:55:32jottpreglow: would you mind to test? you had some problems with it, right?
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23:58:29roolkuNico_P (and jott): as promised here my first shot at the database integration of the pf plugin - does it make sense so far?

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