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| 00:01:09 | H10_007quick | Does anyone know if the Cowon D2 would be a good player to get? |
| 00:01:25 | Llorean | It doesn't run Rockbox. |
| 00:01:26 | H10_007quick | Is it possible that rockbox will support it in the future? |
| 00:01:41 | H10_007quick | I see that many other cowon devices support rockbox |
| 00:01:53 | Llorean | It's possible if people buy them and work on it. |
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| 00:02:11 | H10_007quick | I see but do you happen to know if its a good player? |
| 00:02:13 | pixelma | Nico_P, jott: somehow the "Better support for small displays" made it look worse on my c200 |
| 00:02:46 | jott | pixelma: in what regard? |
| 00:02:47 | H10_007quick | my H10 is bricked so... |
| 00:02:48 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Good is very subjective. Do some googling and read about it... |
| 00:03:02 | H10_007quick | from droping it one too many times |
| 00:03:17 | jott | pixelma: i tested it in the c200 sim :/ |
| 00:03:22 | krazykit | H10_007quick, that isn't "bricked", that's "broken". the terminology is important. |
| 00:03:46 | H10_007quick | ok and do you think that anyone would want my "broken" H10 for develepment purposes? |
| 00:03:54 | H10_007quick | I think its just the harddrive |
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| 00:04:06 | Llorean | It's pretty useless at this point unless it's recoverable. |
| 00:04:43 | H10_007quick | Maybe barry has a spare harddrive he could stick in it and then he would have a player |
| 00:04:47 | H10_007quick | I will have to ask him |
| 00:04:48 | jott | ...and the nano sim..both looked "good to me" |
| 00:05:06 | pixelma | jott: it even looks "bigger" than before (I think it is the previous and next covers that you see in perspective view) and it doesn't look as smooth as before |
| 00:06:02 | pixelma | that impression is most visible when there is only the ? cover |
| 00:06:55 | jott | pixelma: the next/prev covers should be 50x50 now on smaller screens.. |
| 00:07:29 | jott | (as in LCD_WIDTH < 200 for now) |
| 00:08:00 | pixelma | but it looks like 100x100 (and I did a full build with a "make clean" before) but I'll try again |
| 00:08:17 | petur | oh fun... building database on my h380 and it just froze :( |
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| 00:09:17 | pixelma | there seem to be issues with random freezes on coldfire (pun ?) again. I had 2 the last days when browsing files or menus |
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| 00:10:55 | jott | pixelma: make sure you rebuild the cache (it's in the settings menu now) |
| 00:12:32 | pixelma | urgh... that somehow reminds me of windows reboots that magically fix for no reason broken things :\ ...but now that I can enter the menu on c200, I can do that... |
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| 00:12:50 | kugel | just a question, did any user report pf plugin not working while music playing? |
| 00:13:48 | pixelma | jott: and now I can also see the "preparing album artwork" and the progress bar... ;) That fixed it by the way |
| 00:15:16 | jott | kugel: yes it is troublesome atm as the audiobuffer may uses ram pf wants to have :) |
| 00:15:31 | kugel | oh |
| 00:15:51 | kugel | I have this issue, but I thought it caused by the bmp_resize, so that I didn't bother to report |
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| 00:17:01 | kugel | is there any workaround for this? |
| 00:17:07 | pixelma | one of my 5 cover.bmp looks odd in pf because it is almost all black at the borders... |
| 00:20:27 | pixelma | but I wouldn't want to use pf for everyday browsing because it's slower as you can only see 3 items maximum at once and this only if you have all the art and recognise it, a list does a better job there but isn't that fancy (of course...) |
| 00:20:29 | kugel | so sad, i wanted to try roolkus patch |
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| 00:21:03 | petur | hmmm I loaded lots of cover.bmp files on my h380 (100x100, 24bit) but none of them show up. Must try a WPS with AA to see if that works |
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| 00:25:31 | * | petur spots a new menu item called rebuild cache :) |
| 00:25:49 | kugel | pixelma: I would use it, if scroll wheel accleration would work |
| 00:26:42 | petur | I have too many albums on my device to make it usable, but it is fun to look at ;) |
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| 00:27:03 | kugel | it's very usable on itunes imo |
| 00:27:13 | kugel | so, it would be usable for my sansa as well i gues |
| 00:27:15 | kugel | s |
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| 00:28:39 | Nico_P | kugel: are you aware of the fact that you can't view a big JPEG while music is playing? well it's exactly the same problem here |
| 00:28:42 | pixelma | to me it's not handy enough, just something that looks nice (hence I'm fine with it being a plugin) and to stick out the ongue into apple's direction ;) |
| 00:29:14 | pixelma | err... *tongue :P |
| 00:29:38 | kugel | Nico_P: what are you refering too? |
| 00:29:55 | Nico_P | [00:12] <kugel> just a question, did any user report pf plugin not working while music playing? |
| 00:30:08 | petur | preparing album artwork takes ages... - too many albums :) |
| 00:30:21 | kugel | I saw no bug report reporting this |
| 00:30:31 | Nico_P | because it's not a bug |
| 00:30:42 | kugel | oh I think it is |
| 00:31:05 | jott | petur: have you db in ram and dir cache on? this speeds up everything :) |
| 00:31:09 | Nico_P | then what about the jpeg viewer? |
| 00:31:23 | pixelma | probably it would be nice if you could chose the album to play through it but what would happen - can I only chose the whole album to listen too (I'm not familiar with the original thing)? |
| 00:31:29 | kugel | Bug too |
| 00:31:31 | Nico_P | kugel: also we know it very well, no need for a bug report |
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| 00:31:51 | kugel | Just because it's not fixable atm this doesn't mean it's not a bug for me |
| 00:32:31 | kugel | I never had this issue with the jpeg viewer btw |
| 00:32:45 | kugel | I'm not viewing pictures on my dap |
| 00:33:04 | Llorean | kugel: If things work as WE intend it at the moment, it's not a Bug |
| 00:33:22 | Llorean | A bug is something that's *broken*, not something that works in a way you don't like, but works how we made it work. |
| 00:33:29 | safetydan | kugel: the issue is that all the RAM apart from a small part is allocated to playing audio. This is by design an not a bug. |
| 00:33:40 | kugel | There's absolutely no reason to argue about that now |
| 00:33:46 | kugel | for me, it's a bug |
| 00:33:51 | kugel | for you, it's not a bug |
| 00:33:53 | Llorean | kugel: Yes, but for Rockbox it's NOT |
| 00:33:54 | kugel | period |
| 00:34:00 | * | jott still wonders if there are any real statistics on battery life increase in relation to buffer used |
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| 00:34:13 | Llorean | kugel: and you do NOT get to make the decision. You file it as a feature request if it's "Working as we intend it, but not how you want it to be" |
| 00:34:14 | safetydan | jott: no, but it'd be nice to know |
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| 00:35:04 | jott | i suppose in some cases it could actually decrease the battery life |
| 00:35:26 | Nico_P | jott: the main issue is that if you're not using a plugin it's wasted memory |
| 00:35:43 | Nico_P | but the new buffering API offers possible solutions |
| 00:35:49 | safetydan | It would be easy to test I guess. Do a battery bench on a normal build, then do a battery bench on a build with say, half the ram available? |
| 00:35:49 | jott | Nico_P: yes.. |
| 00:36:23 | jott | safetydan: yeah this would atleast be one refrence value.. |
| 00:36:40 | Nico_P | kugel: btw, this limitation is mentioned on the wiki page |
| 00:36:49 | pixelma | safetydan: if you have a 80GB Video this should be easy... |
| 00:36:53 | kugel | oh there's a wiki page now? |
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| 00:37:13 | Nico_P | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginPictureFlow |
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| 00:37:49 | jott | i guess a "real" test would also involve random skip of tracks (which in turn refills the buffer with previously cached stuff that needed hdd access etc.) |
| 00:38:23 | pixelma | how "real" this test would be depends on your usage pattern |
| 00:38:23 | jott | of course spin up times cost much.. |
| 00:38:31 | jott | pixelma: indeed.. |
| 00:38:34 | safetydan | pixelma: true, but I don't have an iPod Video :) |
| 00:38:44 | Llorean | Larger buffers are going to hurt people who skip a lot, and help people who listen continuously, it's pretty much just expected. |
| 00:38:57 | roolku | Nico_P: did you see my patch? |
| 00:39:02 | kugel | Why is the main buffer used? I've read somewhere, that plugins have it's own memory |
| 00:39:11 | FunkyELF | so whats the deal with the battery life when using rockbox on the iPod? I heard the bad battery life is because it is using software to decode mp3 rather than the dedicated hardware on the iPod....is that true? |
| 00:39:13 | Nico_P | roolku: I saw the tracker entry, but not the patch yet |
| 00:39:15 | Llorean | kugel: And that memory is a lot smaller than the main buffer. |
| 00:39:21 | pixelma | kugel: then you couldn't use it at all |
| 00:39:26 | Llorean | FunkyELF: Not true at all |
| 00:39:29 | kugel | Didn't know that |
| 00:39:58 | FunkyELF | Llorean, is it because it is just not as optimized as the original firmware as far as caching goes? |
| 00:40:06 | Llorean | FunkyELF: The iPod doesn't have dedicated MP3 hardware. Whoever told you that didn't do their research into the actual reasons. It's because we don't have enough hardware information to be sure we're properly disabling things not in use, and otherwise getting the most efficiency out of the hardware. |
| 00:40:07 | jott | Llorean: yes.. that's what i would think too (with the skipping) |
| 00:40:30 | Llorean | FunkyELF: Our caching of audio is actually better than Apples, as is shown by our better runtime on the 1st through 3rd generation iPods. |
| 00:40:42 | kugel | I wonder if the space between the images can be reduced, so that we can see 5 at a time |
| 00:40:42 | amiconn | Llorean: Large buffers would only hurt when skipping *backwards* a lot, or way forward, i.e. outside the buffered stuff |
| 00:41:01 | FunkyELF | Llorean, ah, okay that was going to be my next question about caching |
| 00:41:12 | FunkyELF | Llorean, what kind of things are you talking about disabling? |
| 00:41:14 | Llorean | amiconn: Most of the people I know who are compulsive skippers listen to less than a minute, then next, then next frequently until they get a "good" song. They just shuffle everything, and skip and hope. =/ |
| 00:41:33 | safetydan | FunkyELF: generally disabling hardware we're not using on the iPod. |
| 00:41:44 | amiconn | Odd method.... why don't they just delete the music they don't like? |
| 00:41:58 | pixelma | interesting in one of the folders there were 2 bmps - and it pf picked the one with the right resolution (it was named albumname.50x50.bmp - the other doesn't have the 50x50 part) |
| 00:41:59 | Llorean | FunkyELF: Don't really know, honestly. Part of the problem is that we aren't 100% sure where whether we're doing everything right, and not doing enough, or whether a few things aren't being done right yet. |
| 00:42:03 | safetydan | amiconn: it's more about mood. Sometimes you don't know what you want to listen to until you hear it. |
| 00:42:08 | FunkyELF | safetydan, yeah, I wanted a specific example....I know theres a screen and a disk, what else could be shut down? |
| 00:42:20 | safetydan | FunkyELF: if we knew that we could shut it down :) |
| 00:42:30 | Llorean | amiconn: People are crazy. Maybe just not in the mood, but I don't understand why they don't playlist up what they want to hear instead of treating it like an extremely finite radio with a next button |
| 00:42:46 | amiconn | Llorean: Btw, the "next, next" method should be buffer size indifferent, especially if it's done fast enough that the disk doesn't spin down in between |
| 00:43:08 | safetydan | FunkyELF: but seriously, I'd say it's more to do with parts we've got powered up but not using like say, the recording part of the audio chips in the iPod. |
| 00:43:23 | Llorean | amiconn: 's always buffer size dependent, yeah. but if they stop long enough for buffering to complete, then they get to trigger another spinup next time they fall in love with the next button. |
| 00:43:23 | jott | amiconn: no it will fill up the buffer as soon as the song starts with probably "unwanted" songs.. |
| 00:43:26 | roolku | pixelma: it tries the one with the preferred resolution first and uses it when found, same as wps |
| 00:44:09 | FunkyELF | ahh....here's another question not related to battery life. I have this problem with the original firmware as well. When I'm at work and it is quiet I put my iPod with my Shure in-ear head-phones and the very first step above mute is too loud. Is there anything I can do without re-encoding the music? |
| 00:44:38 | pixelma | roolku: yesterday I was told that it wouldn't pick the ones up that had the resolution in the file name - but today changed a lot I guess... :) |
| 00:44:39 | safetydan | FunkyELF: try replaygain and eq precut |
| 00:44:49 | Llorean | The iPod Video's minimum volume is pretty high. :( |
| 00:44:56 | * | FunkyELF goes and grabs his iPod |
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| 00:45:30 | amiconn | FunkyELF: Use different (less sensitive) earphones, or a dap with better volume control ;) |
| 00:45:58 | roolku | pixelma: it uses the same function as the core for wps, so it uses the preferred/specified size. I believe that size was changed from 100x100 to 50x50 with the "improvement for small screens" commit |
| 00:46:32 | pixelma | speaking of battery_benches and Ipods - did someone ever see results of runtime tests comparing different brightness settings? |
| 00:46:47 | * | amiconn is annoyed by the pictureflow plugin :( |
| 00:47:04 | FunkyELF | found precut, where is the replaygain? |
| 00:47:16 | pixelma | with the current implementation I mean, not the old one that was in a lot of unsupported builds |
| 00:47:20 | Llorean | amiconn: On its own, or the fact that there's now a bunch of clamoring people saying "I hope this is a new direction for Rockbox"? |
| 00:47:37 | Nico_P | roolku: you got it right ;) |
| 00:47:44 | petur | amiconn: I'm already on the been there, seen it, move on point ;) |
| 00:47:56 | Llorean | pixelma: The new one is almost certain to offer equal, if not better, improvements to battery life, right? |
| 00:48:01 | * | petur removes database files again... |
| 00:48:39 | pixelma | Llorean: yes, I would think so but it would be nice to have some numbers ;) |
| 00:48:47 | amiconn | I dislike that this useless gimmick draws so much developer attention away from important things like fixing nasty bugs :( |
| 00:49:15 | petur | or viewports... :P |
| 00:49:28 | Llorean | pixelma: Numbers are always nice to have, yeah. |
| 00:49:39 | safetydan | FunkyELF: the precut should be sufficient for your needs, but you might want to google Replay Gain and how it will help you. |
| 00:50:36 | preglow | amiconn: people work with what they enjoy, there's not much to be done about that |
| 00:50:51 | Nico_P | amiconn: I needed a break from playback code... and jott did most of the work. IMO a new contributor with a nice concept should always be welcom |
| 00:51:02 | * | safetydan wonders when the database gets sophisticated enough to integrate something like sqlite :) |
| 00:51:30 | pixelma | preglow: if Rockbox becomes unusable because of this there will be no joy to work on anything... ;) |
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| 00:51:39 | * | petur slaps safetydan with a tiny microcontroller |
| 00:51:50 | Nico_P | I think Rockbox repels potential contributors a bit too much |
| 00:52:18 | preet | hey... maybe I'm just overlooking something, but I was browsing the Rockbox source and I see header files in some files (bootloader/common.c for example), included like #include lcd.h ... but I can't find any 'lcd.h' in the source tree? |
| 00:52:31 | Llorean | Nico_P: Should things be accepted just for the sake of garnering attention then? I'm not sure what you're saying. |
| 00:53:02 | petur | preet: look again |
| 00:53:24 | Nico_P | Llorean: no, I'm thinking in terms of spirit and welcome in here... not really in terms of code. Being demanding on code quality is good |
| 00:53:34 | petur | preet: firmware/export/lcd.h |
| 00:53:43 | preet | thanks! |
| 00:54:03 | amiconn | preglow: Yeah I know... still I really don't get it |
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| 00:54:22 | amiconn | What use is a firmware that crashes and freezes during normal use? |
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| 00:55:11 | Nico_P | amiconn: it's working perfectly fine for me... no crashes at all |
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| 00:55:27 | Nico_P | it's hard to fix bugs you don't see |
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| 00:55:35 | scorche|w | Nico_P: specifically, how do you think things could be improved? |
| 00:55:36 | Nico_P | s/hard/harder |
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| 00:56:10 | safetydan | wow, who knew that there are actually SQL database systems targeted at embedded systems? |
| 00:56:14 | preglow | i get the bug when skipping tracks near the end of another track pretty consistently |
| 00:56:18 | Nico_P | scorche|w: honestly I don't really know but sometimes I get the feeling we might be a little too conservative |
| 00:56:49 | scorche|w | Nico_P: do you have any specific examples to offer up to clarify a bit? |
| 00:57:17 | Llorean | Well I think we do come down on "broad" ideas a little hard. |
| 00:57:35 | Llorean | A contributor can get the feeling that if you don't like his "shiny" new ideas, you don't like him. |
| 00:57:40 | Nico_P | one that comes to my mind is gregj. It's true he wasn't making much real propositions, but IMHO he did make some valid points |
| 00:58:14 | Nico_P | and he also did try to defend them |
| 00:58:21 | preglow | gregj? |
| 00:58:56 | Nico_P | preglow: yeah, remember him? |
| 00:59:08 | Nico_P | maybe not the best example though |
| 00:59:28 | preglow | no, i don't |
| 00:59:57 | Llorean | What was he proposing? |
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| 01:01:23 | Nico_P | I'm trying to find the logs |
| 01:01:40 | pixelma | wasn't he proposing some load balancing dual core stuff on portalplayer or something (excuse my non-technical vocabulary here) |
| 01:02:12 | preglow | well, ok, in that case we did right in telling him off, then :> |
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| 01:02:40 | pixelma | at least I think he mentioned it, not sure if that's what he was proposing - don't remember details |
| 01:03:39 | Llorean | I think there's a fine line in explaining the constraints we expect contributors to try to work within, and discouraging people by sounding like we don't want change. |
| 01:03:55 | Llorean | Word choice can make a pretty big difference to some people, because they assume inflection rather than just reading what you're saying |
| 01:04:09 | preglow | sure, but these are issues we really can't do much about... |
| 01:04:16 | preglow | Rockbox IRC Wording Specification |
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| 01:04:53 | preglow | i think we're doing pretty well in that regard compared to other projects, actually |
| 01:05:27 | preglow | at least you seldom to see outright hostility here |
| 01:05:55 | jott | in the end it's often a matter of individuals (and as llorean says in "misunderstandings") |
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| 01:06:09 | Nico_P | well I can't seem to find the precise log I was looking for, but gregj suggested some things like releasing and roadmaps |
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| 01:06:19 | Llorean | A lot of times people do see you asking them to justify either their feature, or the way they implemented their feature, as mere unwillingness, too. |
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| 01:06:24 | preglow | aaah, sufficiently thorny field :> |
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| 01:07:53 | Nico_P | but my point is we can sometimes come off as discouraging to people who could be potential contributors |
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| 01:08:03 | Nico_P | as you said, mostly a matter of misunderstanding |
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| 01:08:45 | Nico_P | amiconn: btw, I have no intention of abandoning playback.c now that I know it rather well |
| 01:09:20 | preglow | Nico_P: but really, what can be done about that? it's often just a case of single people replying to some person in their own manner |
| 01:09:29 | handmadematters | Hmm... sitting here with bleeding-edge build (clean install) picture flow not working... Any others with that experiance? |
| 01:09:36 | preglow | we can't go around giving people guidelines on how to behave |
| 01:09:43 | preglow | handmadematters: database initialized? |
| 01:10:11 | handmadematters | ups |
| 01:10:32 | preglow | no ups, we don't really advertise that fact very widely yet... |
| 01:10:41 | preglow | i think it's going to be updated to tell you that very soon |
| 01:10:43 | Nico_P | yeah a message needs to be added |
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| 01:11:25 | jott | preglow: yeah as i said it's often a matter of individuals, but for a project as a whole, the question is how "representative" individuals behave.. |
| 01:11:30 | handmadematters | Heres a guy thankfull that i didnt get slapped for that ;-) |
| 01:11:46 | Llorean | preglow: Also, if being critical of their idea causes them not to want to contribute, then they're sure to run into problems at some point anyway, whether you use good language or not, because everyone runs up against the goals of the project one day, and disagrees with one of 'em. |
| 01:11:47 | preglow | handmadematters: we try not to make a habit of slapping people for things which is our fault :> |
| 01:11:57 | preglow | sure |
| 01:11:58 | preglow | like i said |
| 01:12:03 | preglow | i really don't think we're doing too bad |
| 01:12:56 | midkay | hey Nico_P? |
| 01:13:14 | Nico_P | yes? |
| 01:13:18 | preglow | especially considering rockbox has a slightly higher threshold with regards to skill |
| 01:13:53 | Nico_P | preglow: I don't really know how it is with other projects, but I know I liked how I was welcomed in my time |
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| 01:14:49 | midkay | Nico_P: about a month ago %s|margin| was introduced to make aligning scrolling lines possible on album art WPS designs.. and it worked fine for me. then shortly after you commited %m|margin| which also sounded useful, but my WPS never worked since then and i finally figured out why: rather than just adding %m|margin| you actually got rid of %s|margin| as well? |
| 01:14:54 | midkay | that's what it looks like from the diff. |
| 01:15:31 | Llorean | Yes |
| 01:15:32 | Nico_P | midkay: yes, %s|margin| was a bad idea |
| 01:15:40 | jott | Llorean: speaking of.. are the "goals of the project" written somewhere? |
| 01:15:41 | Nico_P | (mine, IIRC) |
| 01:15:45 | Llorean | %s|margin| was also in for something less than a day, right? |
| 01:15:45 | midkay | but um.. i need it.. |
| 01:15:53 | Llorean | midkay: You can do %s%m |
| 01:15:55 | midkay | yeah, but it was really useful. what's the problem with it? |
| 01:16:00 | midkay | oh and that works the same? |
| 01:16:04 | Nico_P | midkay: yes |
| 01:16:10 | midkay | whew. okay. fair enough. that was really confusing.. |
| 01:16:18 | Llorean | We didn't remove functionality, we expanded it further by making them indepedent. |
| 01:16:18 | preglow | but now that we were speaking about releases... |
| 01:16:23 | preglow | i'd really like to see one of those :> |
| 01:16:30 | midkay | you didn't say you removed %s|margin| in the commit message, nor that %s%m|margin| could be used that way.. |
| 01:16:37 | Nico_P | preglow: I'd like it too |
| 01:16:38 | midkay | makes sense now, it was just really unclear to me. |
| 01:17:04 | Nico_P | midkay: yeah, the commit message could've been clearer |
| 01:17:13 | preglow | i really think the time is getting better for a release now |
| 01:17:19 | Nico_P | but the wiki page explained both the tags independantly |
| 01:17:24 | Llorean | jott: I don't think there's a specific list. It's more ideals. The core should be KISS where possible, lean when able, don't sacrifice functionality for flash, things like that |
| 01:17:25 | * | amiconn thinks that applies to a lot of commit messages |
| 01:17:43 | preglow | most features we want are in |
| 01:17:44 | amiconn | Thungs like 'fix yellow' aren't really descriptive... |
| 01:17:48 | amiconn | *things |
| 01:17:55 | Nico_P | jott: "music before the rest" too |
| 01:18:08 | Llorean | amiconn: Especially since the build table gets rid of the yellow, so you don't have a log of the warning to look back on |
| 01:18:09 | midkay | amiconn: yeah, i can usually figure them out fine.. i think this one was flat-out misleading.. |
| 01:18:17 | midkay | but it's okay.. |
| 01:18:18 | Llorean | jott: Oh, right, "Rockbox is a MUSIC player" is a pretty big goal |
| 01:18:29 | pixelma | and to me: as multi-platform as possible |
| 01:18:55 | Llorean | pixelma: and platform independent interface? |
| 01:19:11 | amiconn | preglow: Imo we're pretty far from releasable state still |
| 01:19:22 | Llorean | preglow: I'd say if we could shape up the remaining playback bugs, and put voice through some testing, we'd be pretty close. |
| 01:19:26 | preglow | amiconn: i think bugs are pretty much what is between us and a release |
| 01:19:35 | amiconn | Yes, but pretty nasty bugs |
| 01:19:42 | preglow | well, sure, but that's what a feature freeze is for |
| 01:19:47 | pixelma | Llorean: maybe it's the night time here, but I can't imagine atm what you mean by that |
| 01:20:18 | preglow | i didn't say i want a relase _now_, i said i'd like it if we were to try entering a release cycle again |
| 01:21:02 | Llorean | pixelma: Try not to change "the way it works" from player to player. When someone uses a Rockbox gadget, they're using Rockbox, though on a screen and with buttons defined by the hardware. |
| 01:22:11 | Nico_P | amiconn: I'd really appreciate a bug report in FS for the end of playlist issue |
| 01:22:13 | amiconn | Llorean: There are those spurios crash/freeze bugs (had several occasions both on coldfire and PP502x), the nasty crash bug on PP5002 (okay, we could leave out PP5002 from the first swcodec release), several powermanagement issues, bugs in playback/wps behaviour, plugin button mess... |
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| 01:22:36 | Nico_P | amiconn: for any playback issue that is not the playlist index thing, actually |
| 01:22:44 | Llorean | preglow: Well the best way would to arbitrarily pick a date for feature freeze, and start publicizing it now, with the honest hope that as it approaches people start preparing for it. |
| 01:23:04 | preglow | amiconn: i really think we should drop pp altogether |
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| 01:23:16 | amiconn | preglow: Uh? why that? |
| 01:23:21 | preglow | the power issues would be one of those bugs that made our previous release attempt futile |
| 01:23:27 | Llorean | amiconn: I don't think PP fits in the first Swcodec release, or at least PP5022 |
| 01:23:36 | Llorean | If the PP5002 thing can be fixed, I think those are more okay |
| 01:23:49 | preglow | and i don't think we should do a release with such a severe bug |
| 01:24:02 | amiconn | G3 would be okay then... G1/G2 needs working suspend first |
| 01:24:11 | preglow | btw, how is the gigabeat f port doing? would one be able to call it complete with a straight face? |
| 01:24:23 | Llorean | I don't know if the plugin button mess is relevant to a release though. As long as the plugins work from a user side, how their buttons are mapped internally is irrelevant to a release at least |
| 01:24:29 | Llorean | preglow: Easily |
| 01:24:51 | amiconn | I don't think the power issue should stop us from releasing for PP if the port is stable |
| 01:24:51 | pixelma | Llorean: then yes but only as far as "if button A does x and y on one target, those x and y should be the same button on another target too" |
| 01:24:59 | Nico_P | preglow: it lacks RoLo but that's pretty much all |
| 01:25:06 | Llorean | preglow: The Gigabeat F port is damn solid. The only OF feature it's missing is USB host afaik, and the only "Rockbox" features it's not got working are ROLO and dual boot, iirc. |
| 01:25:31 | amiconn | Dual boot isn't working on the cf iaudios either |
| 01:25:36 | preglow | amiconn: but yeah, i just think pp has too many bugs we can't count on fixing soon, no usb, power, crashing pp5002... |
| 01:26:01 | preglow | Nico_P: would rolo be hard to implement? |
| 01:26:13 | Llorean | pixelma: Yeah. And there are special cases like the Ondio of course. I just meant that the Rockbox shouldn't have more features for some hardware than others, except where hardware limits it. It's one program running on different players, not a different program for each player. :) |
| 01:26:22 | Llorean | amiconn: there's a patch for that now, isn't there? |
| 01:26:30 | Nico_P | preglow: kkujburn seems to says it's not easy |
| 01:26:33 | Llorean | amiconn: Rather, there's a *new* patch that removes the old "bad" dependency |
| 01:26:38 | pixelma | amiconn: there still is a "new" patch for the bootloader which says it doesn't rely on OF things anymore, no-one looked into... |
| 01:26:42 | preglow | Nico_P: i wonder why it wouldn't be easy |
| 01:26:49 | pixelma | eh |
| 01:27:05 | amiconn | Yeah, I heard about the new patch... not really motivated to try it |
| 01:27:26 | Nico_P | preglow: ask him... he made a change to the boot.lds (or something like that) once, to ease implementatio, but the change had to be reverted |
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| 01:27:52 | Nico_P | JdGordon seemed to know what was wrong at the time |
| 01:27:55 | amiconn | Imo dual boot is not a must-have unless there's a special reason mandating it |
| 01:28:01 | preglow | agreed |
| 01:28:14 | preglow | i wouldn't call that a release blocker at all |
| 01:28:25 | Nico_P | same here |
| 01:28:42 | pixelma | I think USB host on the X5 could qualify as a "good reason" though |
| 01:28:47 | krazykit | the only thing from the gigabeatF OF would be USB-OTG support, but only because it sounds nifty |
| 01:28:59 | pixelma | but I don't need dual boot on M5 :) |
| 01:29:06 | preglow | what chip does the gigabeat f use again? |
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| 01:29:43 | Llorean | amiconn: Interestingly enough the players significantly lacking it are also players that USB host, a feature we can't replace yet. |
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| 01:30:17 | preglow | sounds fun |
| 01:30:22 | Lars_G | np: Primus - American Life (1:24 / 0:00) |
| 01:30:33 | preglow | no scripts, please |
| 01:30:45 | * | Lars_G nods |
| 01:31:10 | Lars_G | Modifying my tagnavi :D |
| 01:31:38 | preglow | that does not sound like fun, however |
| 01:31:45 | Lars_G | it's not so bad |
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| 01:32:01 | Lars_G | I decided I wanted it my way a little, so I'm getting what I need. |
| 01:32:02 | roolku | krazykit: you can't use USB-OTG without the cradle (and external power) so it is pretty useless |
| 01:32:06 | Lars_G | at least it's not the static OF |
| 01:32:28 | Llorean | roolku: Did they ever determine that it was impossible even with a dock-port adapter? |
| 01:33:35 | krazykit | roolku, i knew about the cradle, but not about needing external power. |
| 01:33:52 | handmadematters | pictureflow works as expected on H10 (5GB) after database installation and with known bugs |
| 01:34:14 | pixelma | Llorean: then: yes of course - and the Ondio is pretty much intuitive to operate (IMO). I think XavierGr was it who got an Ondio later and confirmed that too :) |
| 01:34:14 | amiconn | Llorean: I'm not sure about the order in which things happened back in archos-only times even before I discovered rockbox, but afaik the first releases also didn't support all features of the OF (e.g. recording on recorders, or the fm radio on fmrecorders), and there was no dual boot |
| 01:34:22 | Lars_G | Ok let's try it out |
| 01:34:26 | amiconn | ...and rolo was also invented later afaik |
| 01:34:35 | roolku | Llorean: not sure |
| 01:34:50 | ze | i remember trying one of the 1st releases that did nothing but link an LED |
| 01:34:58 | Llorean | amiconn: I certainly don't mind to a release without dual boot or all features. I was just pointing it out. :) But I still think the 5022 battery life means they shouldn't be in the release. |
| 01:35:02 | ze | er BLINK |
| 01:35:08 | Nico_P | handmadematters: I added an error message for when the DB isn't reayd |
| 01:35:21 | amiconn | ze: That was not a *release* for sure ;) |
| 01:35:53 | roolku | Llorean: the signals are there, but they may need to converted to the proper voltage levels |
| 01:35:54 | amiconn | Llorean: 5022 battery life is okay even if it's not as good as OF... 5020 is worse |
| 01:36:24 | roolku | *need to be* |
| 01:36:37 | Nico_P | roolku: I took a quick look at your patch... looks nice and simple :) |
| 01:36:40 | Nico_P | I'll test tomorrow |
| 01:36:41 | Llorean | It just doesn't feel "release quality" to me. Personal opinion obviously, but I think a release should mean "things work how we want them" not "things work the best we can get right now" |
| 01:36:57 | Llorean | And while you may have to settle for "the best we can get", I don't think you should plan to use it in advance. |
| 01:37:44 | Llorean | Otherwise, we could just call today's daily the 3.0 release, and ship it with a known bugs .txt. Enough people use it anyway that it's "good enough" and it's surely "the best we can get in the next 5 minutes" :) |
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| 01:38:56 | amiconn | I agree that current svn isn't release quality... but not due to the battery runtime issue |
| 01:38:57 | roolku | Nico_P: okay. Just wanted to know if you agree to the approach before I invest more time. I have a stupid business meeting tomorrow though, all day and evening. :( |
| 01:38:58 | preglow | Llorean: agreed |
| 01:40:38 | amiconn | It's something that needs fixing, but it's not a show stopper like crashes, freezes and unexpected behaviour |
| 01:40:59 | preglow | i think lousy battery time is a showstopper, really |
| 01:41:01 | Nico_P | roolku: I don't know the DB code well enough to agree or disagree, really |
| 01:41:16 | Nico_P | tbh, I don't know it at all |
| 01:41:35 | Llorean | I think it's a show stopper for a release, because putting that release "stamp" on it is like saying "We find this acceptable", and I really don't at least |
| 01:41:46 | Llorean | It's something we *have* to accept, for now, but it's not something we *want* to accept |
| 01:42:08 | Nico_P | roolku: all PF needs is to be able to get a list of unique AA pics and the associated tracklist for each pic |
| 01:42:28 | amiconn | Llorean: Well, we call PP502x targets supported... |
| 01:43:06 | roolku | Nico_P: I don't think it will need the list. It can just return the index to the selected cover and the db can do the rest |
| 01:43:25 | Llorean | amiconn: Because Rockbox is "usable" on them. |
| 01:43:32 | Nico_P | roolku: yeah, I meant under the form of db queries, kinda like we get the albums list ATM |
| 01:43:50 | Llorean | I just don't see why we should shoehorn targets into a release. |
| 01:44:20 | roolku | Nico_P: at the moment I am debating how to pass the list if coverimages which can be potentially quite long |
| 01:44:22 | Llorean | If we swcodec release, we add X5/X5L/X5V, M5/M5L, H1xx, H3xx, and Gigabeat F/X even if we leave off all PortalPlayers |
| 01:44:26 | Llorean | I don't see any urgency to add them in |
| 01:45:12 | Nico_P | roolku: for the albums we do it iterator-style ("rb->tagcache_get_next(&tcs)") |
| 01:46:11 | preglow | Llorean: agreed completely, release to means the target is in the state i meant it to be |
| 01:46:15 | preglow | to me |
| 01:46:41 | amiconn | X5s and M5s aren't, and the irivers also have problems still |
| 01:46:57 | Llorean | I'm not talking about today, for those |
| 01:47:19 | Llorean | But they have "fixable" problems, while the battery issue is too unknown to say "Hard work and good testing can get it done" |
| 01:47:52 | roolku | Nico_P: I am not sure if the api for filter results is accessable in a similar manner (yet), but will check it out |
| 01:48:09 | preglow | amiconn: i'm not saying they're ready now, i'm just saying those bugs are just a matter of debugging |
| 01:48:33 | preglow | fixing the pp bugs are a matter of disassembling, reverse engineering and hooking shit up to ampere meters |
| 01:48:38 | preglow | not all developers are into that |
| 01:48:42 | preglow | as a matter of fact, very, very few are |
| 01:48:44 | amiconn | X5 and M5 need usb/power management related work |
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| 01:50:00 | amiconn | They charge only slowly from usb in rockbox (100mA), as we need to use special trickery to make the PCF charge at 500mA |
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| 01:50:17 | preglow | how special? is the procedure documented? |
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| 01:50:47 | amiconn | And I'm not even sure whether charging with the dedicated charger uses the full current... I don't trust it |
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| 01:51:32 | * | amiconn always charges his X5 using the cowon loader |
| 01:51:49 | amiconn | We also don't use the X5/M5 LED(s) yet, btw |
| 01:52:03 | preglow | what should we use them for? |
| 01:52:31 | amiconn | If we have no other use, they should probably work the same as in the OF, as charging indicator(s) |
| 01:53:30 | preglow | i can't think of any other use |
| 01:53:40 | preglow | hd activity? |
| 01:53:43 | amiconn | Disk activity, perhaps |
| 01:53:48 | preglow | yeah |
| 01:54:31 | safetydan | How big is the plugin stack? |
| 01:54:36 | safetydan | or does it not have its own? |
| 01:54:43 | amiconn | Plugins use the main stack |
| 01:54:52 | preglow | so it's pretty big |
| 01:54:53 | amiconn | ...which is 8KB on all targets |
| 01:55:04 | preglow | amiconn: is such a big stack needed, btw? |
| 01:55:13 | amiconn | But of course it's already uses somewhat when entering the plugin |
| 01:55:18 | amiconn | *used |
| 01:55:33 | safetydan | hah, so much for fitting sqlite in as a plugin then |
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| 01:56:04 | preglow | safetydan: how much does it need? |
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| 01:56:29 | preglow | safetydan: you could spawn your own thread in the plugin, using as much stack space as you want |
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| 01:56:46 | safetydan | preglow: it's 180 KB compiled, needs 16 KB of stack, and around 100KB of heap and that's with everything optional removed apparently |
| 01:57:10 | amiconn | And that's called 'lite'? :> |
| 01:57:14 | preglow | sounds doable |
| 01:57:36 | safetydan | apparently it's used by Philips MP3 players for their metadata database |
| 01:58:25 | safetydan | oo, but it can be compiled without malloc |
| 01:58:37 | scorche | Llorean: was "Greg Wright" the person you spoke with? |
| 01:59:40 | Llorean | scorche: No. Scott Nelson |
| 01:59:51 | Llorean | Assuming we're talking Real here |
| 01:59:55 | scorche | yup |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:35 | scorche | i got 2 replies to my inquiry to the Helix media activity on the XO because he CCed a Real person ont he mail.. |
| 02:01:02 | scorche | let me pastebin them.. |
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| 02:03:11 | scorche | Llorean: preglow: others concerned: http://pastebin.ca/811554 |
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| 02:08:04 | preglow | well, that didn't make me any less confused |
| 02:08:13 | Llorean | I was about to say almost the same thing |
| 02:08:43 | Llorean | Saying their AAC fixed point codec is open sourced doesn't mean it's under a GPL compatible license still |
| 02:09:00 | * | scorche deletes his similar comment |
| 02:09:22 | Llorean | It's probably that RPSL thing again, so that they can keep themselves covered for patent liability or something. |
| 02:09:57 | saratoga | that whole patent thing makes no sense anyway |
| 02:10:09 | saratoga | seems like no one at real knows what or how they're releaseing |
| 02:11:00 | scorche | suggested reply? |
| 02:11:52 | saratoga | well it sounds like neither of them knows the answer, so maybe try that licsening list they mention |
| 02:12:05 | scorche | isnt that where Llorean went to? |
| 02:12:08 | Llorean | No |
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| 02:12:26 | Llorean | I went directly to licensing@helixcommunity.com or whatever. The "For license questions, ask" link on their site. Not a list, afaik |
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| 02:13:01 | pixelma | Llorean: something else, are you on the users' ml? |
| 02:13:22 | Llorean | But I'd mention that we need the code under a license that's GPL compatible, and we can't seem to find the code he's mentioned that would be, and if they can point us more precisely in the right direction. |
| 02:13:28 | Llorean | pixelma: For Rockbox? Yes. |
| 02:13:41 | scorche | Llorean: sounds good |
| 02:15:04 | pixelma | well, Rockbox is implied in this channel. :) Did you see the latest replies in the "Sansa e200 & flash card"? I'd like to comment but I'm not (yet) registered in this ml and am not even sure if I could join threads that are already started... |
| 02:15:29 | pixelma | if I would register now |
| 02:16:34 | Llorean | Any specific response? |
| 02:16:38 | Llorean | I haven't been following that thread. |
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| 02:18:26 | pixelma | you mean what I would response or the mail I'm referring to? |
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| 02:18:46 | Llorean | Well I'm more than happy to respond |
| 02:19:16 | Llorean | Should I just summarize? MicroSD works on e200 and c200, MicroSDHC works on e200, we need someone with a c200 and the SDHC card to come and communicate with devs to see what the case is there? |
| 02:19:39 | pixelma | yes, something along that lines |
| 02:20:12 | Llorean | Okay |
| 02:20:19 | pixelma | nice, thank you in advance :) |
| 02:20:30 | Llorean | No worries. |
| 02:20:35 | pixelma | I'm off to bed, gnight |
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| 02:54:21 | arken0493 | I need help. My MP3 Player (Sansa E280R) Won't work now |
| 02:54:46 | advcomp2019 | arken0493, what is happening |
| 02:54:46 | arken0493 | I installed rockbox on it, and It worked on the computer I originally plugged into |
| 02:55:21 | arken0493 | But I plugged it in on a different computer, and now it has issues. After about 30 seconds or so, it doesn't read anything on the drive, no matter what computer I plug it into |
| 02:55:39 | advcomp2019 | arken0493, are you in rockbox or OF |
| 02:55:46 | arken0493 | What's OF? |
| 02:56:20 | psycho_maniac | original firmware meaning the sansa operating system |
| 02:56:28 | advcomp2019 | arken0493, OF is the sansa firmware |
| 02:56:56 | arken0493 | ooh. |
| 02:57:05 | arken0493 | How do I get to that without booting rockbox? |
| 02:57:15 | arken0493 | Rockbox works fine. But I can't hook it up to a computer. |
| 02:57:22 | psycho_maniac | when it boots up hold left |
| 02:57:30 | advcomp2019 | arken0493, turn it off then plug it in |
| 02:57:33 | arken0493 | Okk.. |
| 02:57:48 | arken0493 | its plugged in. |
| 02:57:50 | arken0493 | It works fine. |
| 02:58:01 | arken0493 | *boop beep* |
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| 02:58:34 | psycho_maniac | the enter button is not a space bar. meaning you could of typed all that in one line with periods and such. |
| 02:59:12 | arken0493 | My bad. =P. Anyhow, it seems to be working fine now. |
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| 03:01:16 | arken0493 | I think the issue may have been trying to unlock the music folder. |
| 03:01:20 | psycho_maniac | arken0493: you have to do that every time you want to plug it into a computer. just like the way you did. |
| 03:01:35 | arken0493 | I know |
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| 03:01:53 | arken0493 | I've had rockbox for about a month know (I love it). This was a random issue |
| 03:02:46 | psycho_maniac | oh thats strange. |
| 03:03:17 | arken0493 | Yeah. It was kinda weird. |
| 03:05:23 | psycho_maniac | pictureflow kinda sucks on the 5.5g ipod 80gig |
| 03:05:42 | Shaid | slow? |
| 03:06:33 | arken0493 | rockbox seems to be quite buggy >_> |
| 03:07:35 | safetydan | arken0493: if you find any bugs please add them to the bug tracker |
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| 03:09:22 | arken0493 | I have to log in for this? |
| 03:11:46 | psycho_maniac | you have to register first. |
| 03:11:50 | safetydan | you have to create a flyspray account first yes |
| 03:12:21 | arken0493 | That's stupid. I guarrentee you would have more people want to report bugs if you didn't make that rule. |
| 03:12:49 | Llorean | arken0493: We tried it like that, and just got a lot more crap. |
| 03:13:02 | psycho_maniac | why is that stupid? when you register its easier to keep track of your bugs and patches you made. |
| 03:13:08 | Llorean | People asked to sign up first actually stop and think, rather than just posting the first thing that comes to mind. |
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| 03:13:29 | Llorean | We used to get dozens of repeats of the same thing, now it's usually down to two or three |
| 03:13:31 | arken0493 | Alright. My brothers getting on. |
| 03:13:38 | Drew | Hello, I have a question. |
| 03:13:38 | arken0493 | He can tell you what's wrong. |
| 03:13:42 | arken0493 | That's him |
| 03:13:54 | Drew | I'm having trouble editing tags on .mp3 files. |
| 03:14:11 | Drew | When I plug the device in and then edit tags, Rockbox doesn't recognize that I've done so. |
| 03:14:20 | Drew | Even after updating the database. |
| 03:14:31 | psycho_maniac | the enter button is not a space bar. meaning you could of typed all that in one line with periods and such. |
| 03:14:33 | Llorean | re-initialize the database |
| 03:14:42 | Drew | Nice macro, psycho. |
| 03:14:44 | Llorean | The database won't scan for changed tags. |
| 03:14:53 | Llorean | Drew: We have channel guidelines. Read them. |
| 03:15:40 | Llorean | You want people to spend time to help you with your problem, spend time to show them a little respect and follow the guidelines they put in place. It's a simple formula. |
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| 03:17:17 | Drew | What rules have I violated? |
| 03:17:46 | psycho_maniac | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines |
| 03:18:23 | Drew | I have read that. I fail to see what rules I have violated. |
| 03:18:57 | psycho_maniac | i noticed that "The enter button is not a spacebar" is not on there :S |
| 03:19:17 | Drew | Exactly. |
| 03:19:28 | krazykit | that can fall under spamming the channel. |
| 03:19:56 | psycho_maniac | pasting a large multi-line snippet of text |
| 03:19:57 | Llorean | The idea is that you should write out full ideas. Scrolling the channel needlessly is frowned upon. |
| 03:20:03 | Drew | And for the record, I find long chains of text that aren't line broken incredibly hard to read. |
| 03:20:25 | Llorean | Drew: You can use line breaks. But it's also not necessary to do one every single sentence. |
| 03:21:16 | Drew | I separate my lines by thought pattern; it's just my typing style. I've never been yelled at it before. It's not my intention to spam, so I don't understand why it's so awful. |
| 03:21:54 | Llorean | If you separate your lines by thought pattern, why did you type three separate lines on one thought, that being "When I edit tags, they don't update in the database" |
| 03:22:20 | Drew | Because everyone thinks differently. |
| 03:22:25 | advcomp2019 | Drew, some channels allow it and other channels do not allow it |
| 03:22:31 | Llorean | This channel is logged, and it's a LOT easier for those of us who go back through the logs to catch up on development discussion to skip over irrelevant parts if they're on less lines. |
| 03:23:16 | psycho_maniac | this is just a thought but how would you like it if i typed 100 thoughts each on seperate lines. while others are talking about developing a new plugin or something for rockbox. |
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| 03:23:32 | Llorean | So if your sentences are short, please double or triple up. Go with "A thought, idea, or topic per line" rather than simply "Hit enter every time I hit period, or might hit period" |
| 03:23:59 | Llorean | psycho_maniac: Frankly, you're not helping the point by exaggerating cases. |
| 03:24:16 | Drew | @ adv: I don't understand why that is. @ Llorean: I understand your logic there, and it's for a good reason. @ psycho: No one else was talking. |
| 03:24:19 | psycho_maniac | well i thought it would help. im sorry |
| 03:24:32 | Llorean | We have guidelines, but there's no reason not to be polite when asking someone to follow them. He wasn't egregiously violating anything, just showing a lack of awareness of what we consider decent behaviour here. |
| 03:25:25 | Llorean | Drew: We have different requirements from other channels. It makes perfect sense that unlogged channels, logged channels, and channels that focus on development vs channels that focus on support have a vary disparate set of expectations and requirements. |
| 03:25:41 | Drew | I know that spamming is right out, and I don't do that. I didn't realize line breaking was considered spamming here. And you are right, Llorean. |
| 03:26:30 | Llorean | It's not considered spamming. But it's considered best to type your whole thought / question / etc out. This also makes a conversation much easier to follow. For example, it's less likely someone will respond before you've said all relevant information. |
| 03:28:27 | Drew | I don't see how you figure that, but for the sake of saving your poor log I'll agree to make an effort not to breach the rules again, and we'll get off this subject, and back onto the old one. |
| 03:28:40 | Llorean | Drew: I already answered your question. |
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| 03:29:26 | Drew | You did, and I followed through with it. But it solved only one issue. The database did reinitialize, but a new problem arose with that. |
| 03:30:07 | Drew | Now the files that I retagged are tagged oddly: instead of the artist being MxPx, it is MxPx/MxPx. I don't know why that is. |
| 03:30:32 | Llorean | Have you verified the tags in another application on your PC? |
| 03:31:10 | Drew | I thought of that; I'm doing that now. Perhaps it is the "Contributing Artist" tag. |
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| 03:32:54 | Drew | Oh, and as I was just working in Explorer with the device, it stopped reading all the files again. Very peculiar. |
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| 03:38:20 | ball | Can Rockbox play Ogg/Vorbis files? |
| 03:38:47 | Drew | I'm pretty sure it can. |
| 03:38:56 | karashata | yes |
| 03:40:52 | ball | Thanks |
| 03:41:25 | karashata | no problem. if you want a good overview of all the currently supported audio formats, look here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=SoundCodecs |
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| 03:42:38 | Drew | I have edited the mp3s in another application, and I'm going to try now. |
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| 03:43:45 | ball | Thanks karashata |
| 03:43:52 | karashata | you're welcome |
| 03:44:31 | ball | http://potchery.blogspot.com/ |
| 03:45:00 | ball | I posted this before you gave me that link. Now I'm wondering whether to add it. |
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| 03:46:45 | Drew | Everything fixed. Thank you for your time and patience. |
| 03:46:50 | m4c | What is the main purpose for the cover flow plugin going to be? |
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| 03:47:56 | krazykit | m4c, for now it seems to be simple eye candy. |
| 03:49:43 | m4c | What is it meant to be though? |
| 03:50:01 | m4c | Is it meant to be eye candy? |
| 03:50:11 | m4c | Or is it going to be something more? |
| 03:50:41 | psycho_maniac | its just for looks as of now. who knows what it will turn into |
| 03:50:53 | karashata | m4c: mainly eye candy, though the people working on it would like to make it able to play the album selected from the plugin |
| 03:51:14 | karashata | afaik it's not going to be put into the core or made a default browsing method |
| 03:52:18 | m4c | Yes I know |
| 03:53:32 | crzyboyster | does anyone have a general idea as to when album art resizing will be commited? or has it even been started to be written right now? |
| 03:53:59 | Llorean | No general idea. |
| 03:54:13 | crzyboyster | is it being written? |
| 03:54:13 | Llorean | We don't do ETAs. |
| 03:54:26 | crzyboyster | ETAs? |
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| 03:54:34 | Llorean | Estimated Time of Arrival |
| 03:55:30 | Llorean | As for whether anyone's working on it. Rockbox is a project composed of a lot of individual volunteers. There's no central authority who knows who's working on what. |
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| 03:55:39 | crzyboyster | hmm |
| 03:55:40 | Llorean | So it's really impossible to answer definitively whether or not anyone's working on it. |
| 03:55:51 | crzyboyster | can i ask on the forums? |
| 03:55:57 | crzyboyster | scratch that |
| 03:56:02 | crzyboyster | baddd idea |
| 03:56:08 | Llorean | Why not just start working on it yourself. |
| 03:56:19 | Llorean | If you want something done, the only way to ensure it gets done is to do it. |
| 03:56:29 | crzyboyster | that's a good point |
| 03:56:35 | crzyboyster | major point of rockbox |
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| 04:00:06 | crzyboyster | does the pictureflow plugin still have work to do on it and what will the next update include? |
| 04:00:48 | psycho_maniac | updates are not planned either. |
| 04:01:15 | psycho_maniac | it depends on the person making it |
| 04:01:29 | crzyboyster | that would be NicoP, correct? |
| 04:01:56 | krazykit | or anyone else contributing code to it. |
| 04:02:40 | crzyboyster | well, see you all later |
| 04:02:40 | psycho_maniac | so far i think NicoP and Jonas Hurrelmann have worked on it. |
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| 04:05:11 | psycho_maniac | is the mailing list offtopic here? |
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| 04:06:47 | psycho_maniac | i cannt get myself to unsubscribe |
| 04:09:16 | ball | psycho_maniac: is it a majordomo list? |
| 04:09:46 | psycho_maniac | what do you mean? |
| 04:14:56 | ball | psycho_maniac: what address do you post to? |
| 04:15:19 | psycho_maniac | uhh the rockbox dev mailing list. |
| 04:16:06 | ball | psycho_maniac: what address do you post to? |
| 04:16:32 | Llorean | ball: how is the address supposed to be indicative? |
| 04:16:59 | Llorean | if it's not at the domain you expect, it could just as easily be because it's just a relay forwarding it, as it could be being completely independent. |
| 04:19:04 | psycho_maniac | i put my email address in and clicked unsubscribe and it said email fowarded but i never got one. ill get the address in a second . |
| 04:19:44 | Llorean | Considering it's at haxx.se, it's not a standard mailing list domain. |
| 04:20:27 | ball | Llorean: fair enough, I was just going to try mailing majordomo@ with "help" |
| 04:20:35 | psycho_maniac | rockbox-dev @ cool.haxx.se |
| 04:20:45 | * | ball tries it |
| 04:21:52 | safetydan | ball: it's not majordomo it's mailman |
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| 04:23:24 | psycho_maniac | i think i was removed as i cannot log in anymore but i never got the confirming email |
| 04:23:27 | ball | safetydan: thanks |
| 04:24:02 | safetydan | psycho_maniac: maybe the response is in your spam folder? Or sometimes these things just take a while. |
| 04:24:32 | psycho_maniac | already checked. should be spam because i set up a label with anything having to do wirh rockbox. im using gmail. |
| 04:24:43 | * | ball doesn't know how to drive mailman |
| 04:25:16 | psycho_maniac | maybe it does take awhile. i hope soon :/ |
| 04:26:14 | psycho_maniac | I couldnt find it in the manual but what does LCD Power off: do in the debug menu on the gigabeats? |
| 04:26:34 | Llorean | Causes the LCD to turn off when the backlight fades. |
| 04:26:39 | Llorean | It's glitchy though |
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| 04:31:16 | countrymonkey | Which format is the best for books (small, speech-quality)?: wma, mp3, ogg, or wav |
| 04:31:30 | krazykit | countrymonkey, vorbis or speex |
| 04:31:49 | Llorean | speex, almost certainly |
| 04:31:57 | countrymonkey | Yeh right, like I can find a mp32spx converter for windows |
| 04:32:17 | krazykit | well, transcoding is going to kill your audio quality anyway, you may as well keep them mp3 |
| 04:32:54 | Llorean | Converting to speex is easy |
| 04:32:56 | countrymonkey | I don't care about audio quality since it is all audiobooks. I got a hold of some cds that need to turn into rockboxable files. |
| 04:33:03 | Llorean | Get the speex command line converter and use foobar2000 |
| 04:33:16 | countrymonkey | and do it 1 file at a time? |
| 04:33:22 | Llorean | No |
| 04:33:34 | countrymonkey | Is this all free? |
| 04:33:36 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 04:33:48 | countrymonkey | Where do I get this stuff? |
| 04:33:50 | Llorean | Google |
| 04:34:11 | Llorean | No offense, but these questions no longer have anything to do with Rockbox itself. |
| 04:34:20 | countrymonkey | Am I looking for a command line thingy or fubar2000? |
| 04:34:39 | Llorean | Notice the use of the word "and" suggesting quite strongly that you're looking for both. |
| 04:34:44 | Llorean | Now, please take off topic questions to another channel |
| 04:34:58 | psycho_maniac | also for the battery problem. should i totally empty the battery and recharge it? maybe then i can get over 15hours out of it? |
| 04:35:27 | scorche | psycho_maniac: what is that supposed to do? |
| 04:35:31 | safetydan | psycho_maniac: li-ion batteries don't tend to like deep discharges |
| 04:35:44 | scorche | nor do they have memory where that would metter |
| 04:35:48 | scorche | matter |
| 04:36:01 | psycho_maniac | i didnt know that thats why i asked |
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| 04:37:19 | crzyboyster | does anybody else think that pictureflow needs a better logo (when it starts up)? |
| 04:37:35 | safetydan | that's probably the least of its problems :) |
| 04:37:50 | crzyboyster | i know, but i hate logos/images like that |
| 04:38:16 | psycho_maniac | thats the logo that came with the original program i think. |
| 04:38:21 | crzyboyster | wouldn't it be EXTREMELY easy to change it to something a bit more flashy looking and then commited next time around? |
| 04:38:34 | Llorean | crzyboyster: Submit a patch. |
| 04:38:46 | crzyboyster | really? |
| 04:38:55 | crzyboyster | to pyscho_maniac i mean |
| 04:39:08 | crzyboyster | nice idea, llorean |
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| 04:40:00 | crzyboyster | would the logo have to be made using open source fonts? like arial/trebuchet ms or what? |
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| 04:41:39 | safetydan | crzyboyster: neither of those fonts are opensource, but I don't think that's relevant for logo production |
| 04:41:56 | ball | Would be nice if they were open source though. |
| 04:41:59 | ball | (I think) |
| 04:42:05 | crzyboyster | ok, so a patch is going up today (probably) |
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| 04:43:51 | crzyboyster | i managed to find something interesting, though http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8295?histring=pictureflow database integrated with pictureflow? |
| 04:44:50 | Llorean | It's more 'the beginnings of the framework that could eventually become the integration of pictureflow into the database' |
| 04:45:07 | crzyboyster | still, it's there! |
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| 04:48:17 | safetydan | I just don't see the appeal of the picture flow for navigation. Is this one of those visual vs textual thinking things? |
| 04:48:35 | psycho_maniac | i think so |
| 04:50:23 | Llorean | safetydan: There are people who change themes once a day. Or more. |
| 04:50:39 | Llorean | Some people value the shinies over what their player can actually do. |
| 04:51:36 | ball | I have to go. |
| 04:51:39 | crzyboyster | patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8297 i have to make the logo now |
| 04:51:42 | ball | Thanks for your help though. |
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| 04:51:50 | crzyboyster | the hard part... |
| 04:52:09 | crzyboyster | i have to go, too. |
| 04:52:09 | Llorean | Why the heck did you post a task? |
| 04:52:23 | Llorean | You don't post a "Patch" task without an actual past... |
| 04:52:24 | Llorean | patch |
| 04:52:53 | crzyboyster | sorry, I'm new to all of this |
| 04:53:00 | crzyboyster | what should I have done? |
| 04:53:08 | Llorean | If the task type is "Patch", then it's expected the task *is* a patch. |
| 04:53:19 | Llorean | If you're working on it, post the patch when it's done. |
| 04:53:28 | crzyboyster | sorry about that! |
| 04:53:30 | Llorean | If you're requesting someone else do it, it's a "Feature Request" because you're requesting a feature. |
| 04:53:37 | psycho_maniac | if i was you since you seem like good designer post a feature request and then upload some art. |
| 04:53:38 | crzyboyster | i got a bit ahead of myself there |
| 04:54:14 | psycho_maniac | that one will get rejected pretty fast. 8297 |
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| 04:55:03 | psycho_maniac | why do people leave right away/ they end up coming back to ask another question |
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| 05:01:55 | psycho_maniac | i dont mind it. i mean i have other things to do then to stare at the logo |
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| 05:02:16 | psycho_maniac | scratch that last comment |
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| 05:03:38 | NJoin | rasher [0] (n=rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) |
| 05:03:45 | mcrlsn | Good evening everyone.. Having read the FAQ and Manual.. also having gone through the mailing list archive I am still unable to get .talk files to work. Are they broken in the current build? |
| 05:04:20 | Llorean | When did you generate your .talk files, and using what? |
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| 05:04:51 | mcrlsn | I've generated them several times this evening using both lame and speexenc (for mp3 or spx files). neither worked |
| 05:05:37 | Llorean | Well lame ones won't work on anything but the archos targets, and speex ones only work on all the other targets |
| 05:05:50 | Llorean | As well, you must have the option to use them enabled within rockbox |
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| 05:06:02 | Llorean | And they only function within the filetree browser |
| 05:06:23 | mcrlsn | Rockbox seems to see the file (it doesn't try to spell those files) but doesn't say anything (ie play the .talk file) |
| 05:07:33 | mcrlsn | This tells me that I have the settings in Rockbox correct, but possibly have something else wrong. BTW I'm using a Sansa e260. |
| 05:08:21 | mcrlsn | I was curious of there is a specific format the speex files need to be (such as 8bit mono or something) |
| 05:08:23 | Llorean | Are you sure you have the speex encoded .talk files on the player, and not the lame ones? |
| 05:08:38 | Llorean | The script you use for talk file generation should have sane defaults... |
| 05:09:58 | mcrlsn | I'm checking to make sure the correct files are on the Sansa |
| 05:10:09 | mcrlsn | And yes.. they are (just checked with mplayer) |
| 05:10:32 | Llorean | Wait, I see you used speexenc |
| 05:10:33 | Llorean | That won't work |
| 05:10:41 | Llorean | You need to be using the rockbox tools for generating talk files |
| 05:10:47 | mcrlsn | Oh. |
| 05:10:59 | countrymonkey | What is the difference between speexenc and rbspeexenc? |
| 05:11:01 | Llorean | .talk files are a raw speex stream, if I understand correctly |
| 05:11:08 | Llorean | They are not encapsulated in an ogg container |
| 05:11:24 | mcrlsn | Ahhh! that would be my problem. Thank you! |
| 05:12:08 | countrymonkey | I suppose the ogg container wastes space? |
| 05:12:19 | Llorean | And adds unnecessary complexity |
| 05:12:26 | mcrlsn | Hmm.. I don't have a windows machine available, so I was unable to figure out how to use the tools |
| 05:12:37 | Llorean | They can be compiled and used on linux or OSX too |
| 05:12:51 | Llorean | rbspeexenc is provided as source in the /tools folder of the Rockbox source |
| 05:12:53 | mcrlsn | Really? they looked like VB scripts to me |
| 05:13:07 | Llorean | The VoiceBox+ script is a VB script, I believe |
| 05:13:10 | mcrlsn | I'll take another look |
| 05:13:14 | Llorean | But the encoder certainly is not |
| 05:13:33 | countrymonkey | encoder=no vbscript, voicebox+=vbscript |
| 05:13:55 | mcrlsn | Thank you for the help. I'll go do some more digging |
| 05:14:19 | countrymonkey | It is in the tools dir of the rockbox source |
| 05:14:51 | countrymonkey | under rbspeexenc |
| 05:15:29 | mcrlsn | Again, thank you. Have a good evening. BTW: I'm really enjoying Rockbox. Good work |
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| 05:27:59 | uski | wow... i was using rockbox 3-4 years ago on my Archos Recorder... now i just received a Sansa e260 and put rockbox on it... haha |
| 05:28:35 | uski | i'm wondering where i could find the so-called ROMs for pacbox plugin |
| 05:29:06 | krazykit | uski, please don't ask about that here. it's not freely redistributable. legally, you'd need to rip the rom from an arcade machine that you own |
| 05:29:16 | uski | i didn't know |
| 05:29:20 | uski | thanks |
| 05:29:25 | krazykit | just letting you know :-) |
| 05:29:28 | uski | yea |
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| 05:40:34 | Shaid | I just whacked the latest build on my 5.5g ipod and the backlight doesn't come on when I use the scrollwheel |
| 05:40:37 | Shaid | is this normal? |
| 05:40:56 | Shaid | I haven't updated since 071111 so I don't really know whether it's a new thing or not. |
| 05:41:06 | Llorean | Try resetting your settings |
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| 05:42:52 | Shaid | that fixed it. |
| 05:43:22 | Shaid | probably came down to the brightness setting. |
| 05:43:46 | safetydan | yeah there were some changes to the way brightness settings worked |
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| 06:11:24 | LunarCrisis | Is discussion of music-syncing programs considered off-topic in this channel? |
| 06:11:40 | LunarCrisis | (To use with my Rockbox player of course =) |
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| 06:17:08 | briantumor | how do i force rockbox to refresh the database? |
| 06:17:30 | alienbiker99 | setting |
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| 06:17:42 | briantumor | :) |
| 06:18:38 | briantumor | settings > general settings? |
| 06:18:56 | briantumor | got it |
| 06:18:58 | briantumor | thanks |
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| 06:27:11 | uski | hmmm... it seems like some folders came with the flag Hidden on my e260, and it seems that rockbox honors this flag and does not show these folders... the problem is that i do not have a windows box to remove that Hidden flag, and i can't find a way to do that on Linux. Any way to do it from Rockbox ? |
| 06:27:26 | uski | i.e. I can't see my "MUSIC" folder and I have to use the database... |
| 06:27:55 | scorche | uski: the original firmware will just re-apply the flag...either rename your music folder, or change your "show files" option |
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| 06:30:50 | uski | thanks ! :) i'd be nice to have a "Supported (+ hidden folders)" in addition of the "Supported" setting for that menu so that I don't have to display absolutely everything |
| 06:31:00 | uski | this makes sense because of the original firmware which hides the MUSIC folder |
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| 06:34:24 | briantumor | same with mine |
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| 06:34:36 | briantumor | i have a c250 |
| 06:36:15 | briantumor | the original firmware doesn't seem to set it back as hidden though |
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| 06:46:56 | uski | i'll try to remove that flag just to see what happens. But it'd make more sense to ignore the flag, at least on these folders |
| 06:47:34 | uski | (i'll have to find a windows box first) |
| 06:47:44 | Llorean | Why not just keep your music in folders the original firmware never hides. |
| 06:47:57 | Llorean | We shouldn't automatically ignore the flag, because some people might want that folder hidden. |
| 06:48:25 | uski | i'd like to be able to use the original firmware too, and i assume that it won't look for files in other places |
| 06:48:30 | Llorean | When Rockbox has its own USB mode, it'll be irrelevant anyway, because you don't need to boot the original firmware for anything, and Rockbox of course won't do things you don't instruct it to. |
| 06:48:35 | Llorean | uski: faulty assumption |
| 06:48:40 | uski | ok |
| 06:48:42 | Llorean | People report that it'll find mp3 audio anywhere on disk |
| 06:48:50 | uski | ok, great |
| 06:49:11 | uski | as for rockbox not having its own USB, is it because the entire USB mass-storage device stack is implemented in software ? |
| 06:49:17 | Llorean | As well, if you want to use the original firmware for music too, it's your choice then, and hardly our responsibility to create extra hacks relating to the filesystem so that users can use the original firmware and not have to worry about its faults |
| 06:49:21 | uski | i know by experience implementing an USB protocol stack is... a mess :) |
| 06:49:26 | Llorean | Yes, it's entirely in software |
| 06:49:32 | Llorean | We're having problems with bulk transfers still |
| 06:49:58 | uski | I see you point about not ignoring a filesystem flag, and i tend to agree with it anyway |
| 06:50:44 | uski | what sort of problems ? is there a page about it somewhere on the wiki ? |
| 06:50:50 | uski | i might take a look at it someday |
| 06:50:52 | Llorean | I don't know the details myself. |
| 06:50:58 | Llorean | There's a task in the Patch Tracker for it |
| 06:51:05 | Llorean | And Zagor would have more information when he's around |
| 06:51:14 | uski | ok, ty |
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| 06:52:57 | uski | is there a way to disable the auto reboot when the USB gets connected ? i'd love to be able to charge the battery while listening to music |
| 06:53:08 | Llorean | Hold down the select button while inserting the cable |
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| 06:54:03 | uski | nice, thanks |
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| 07:15:57 | LunarCrisis | Can I make the playlists and music directory appear in the file browser? |
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| 07:29:46 | jhulst | Has anybody had a problem where the fonts and eq directories are marked as read-only under linux? Any solutions? |
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| 07:31:50 | Llorean | jhulst: c200? |
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| 07:31:58 | jhulst | Llorean: Gigabeat |
| 07:32:17 | Llorean | Then no. I've heard various strange reports about the refurbished c200s from woot, with symptoms similar to that. |
| 07:33:04 | jhulst | hmm, I guess a disk format may be in order then |
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| 08:19:38 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
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| 08:42:20 | mrkiko | Does someone know the iRiver iHP-1xx ? |
| 08:42:56 | GodEater_ | just ask your actual question |
| 08:43:58 | mrkiko | Is saying "iHP-1xx" equivalent to "H1xx" ? |
| 08:44:04 | GodEater_ | yes |
| 08:44:11 | mrkiko | ok... |
| 08:44:17 | mrkiko | thank you for the reply! |
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| 08:55:49 | nerochiaro | hi, does anyone know after how long an old build is removed from the builds page ? |
| 08:56:29 | nerochiaro | actually, i mean removed completely from the download server |
| 08:57:06 | GodEater_ | you mean a daily build ? |
| 08:57:23 | nerochiaro | yes, http://www.rockbox.org/daily/source/rockbox-*.tar.bz2 |
| 08:57:36 | Llorean | The daily builds go back one onth |
| 08:57:38 | Llorean | month |
| 08:58:19 | GodEater_ | it looks like you're after the source archive there though |
| 08:59:05 | nerochiaro | GodEater_: ah, yes, that's probably what i need |
| 08:59:15 | GodEater_ | in which case, why not use svn ? |
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| 08:59:23 | GodEater_ | which goes back to forever |
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| 09:00:14 | nerochiaro | because i used to use a script that wgets a certain version and builds that, and i didn't want to add svn as a dependency to that system |
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| 09:00:34 | nerochiaro | of course if there's no other way, i'll do that |
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| 09:00:52 | Llorean | Why do you repeatedly get the same version? That's kinda pointless. |
| 09:01:02 | Llorean | If you've already got that version, keep a clean copy of it somewhere... |
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| 09:01:59 | nerochiaro | Llorean: rebuild on demand, 90% of the time i just use pre-built binaries and i don't need it. but yes, the other option is to keep my own copy of the version i need somewhere |
| 09:02:25 | Llorean | If you're getting the exact same version, why do you ever need to rebuild? |
| 09:03:00 | nerochiaro | because i need to create and add a new patch to it, for example |
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| 09:03:17 | Llorean | Well then why do you need a specific ancient build? |
| 09:03:33 | GodEater_ | because the patch hasn't been sync'd I guess |
| 09:03:34 | nerochiaro | because i know it works and my patches work with it |
| 09:03:48 | Llorean | Then yeah, your only good option is to keep your own clean copy of the source |
| 09:03:58 | Llorean | That way you don't have to waste bandwidth either |
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| 09:06:07 | nerochiaro | Llorean: as i said, it almost never happens, but i'll do that |
| 09:07:31 | * | Llorean can't imagine using an outdated build in preference to updating a patch. |
| 09:07:40 | Llorean | Then again, there aren't any patches that even interest me enough to use rightn ow |
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| 09:14:02 | GodEater_ | http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/10/colossal-mp3-player-stays-true-to-its-name/ <−− when we porting to this ? :) |
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| 09:15:04 | Llorean | And a whole 256 MB! |
| 09:15:10 | GodEater_ | yeah - masses! |
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| 09:54:11 | Casainho | Bagder: Hello! are you there? |
| 09:54:27 | GodEater_ | he's still marked away Casainho |
| 09:54:49 | Casainho | ah, okok - I am trying to talk with him. |
| 09:55:07 | Casainho | GodEater, where can I read information, guideline about Twiki? |
| 09:56:21 | GodEater_ | you mean for editing it ? |
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| 10:01:17 | Casainho | well, I did edit an put a page with a category |
| 10:01:26 | Casainho | at It apeared at principal page |
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| 10:01:45 | Casainho | Badger removed the category and page is not now listed in anywhere |
| 10:02:01 | Casainho | I would like to know where should I list the page.... |
| 10:02:01 | GodEater_ | then I guess he did it for a good reason |
| 10:02:16 | Llorean | What was the category? |
| 10:02:21 | Casainho | yes, I would like to know where should I list the page |
| 10:02:30 | Llorean | And in fact what was the page? |
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| 10:02:55 | Casainho | CategoryFrontpage: Tower of Rockbox Gallery Page [Misc] |
| 10:03:04 | Casainho | RockBoxPlayer page |
| 10:03:31 | Casainho | not that Tower RB gallery - just FrontPage category :-) |
| 10:04:16 | Llorean | Well, first off, the b in Rockbox isn't capitalized. |
| 10:04:58 | Llorean | Secondly, it probably doesn't need to be listed on the front page as it may even be debatable as to whether it belongs in the wiki |
| 10:05:06 | Llorean | Rockbox is a software project. |
| 10:05:34 | Llorean | A hardware design project is probably far enough from it that it may be better suited to its own site, since among other things it would pollute searching of the wiki. |
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| 10:09:03 | Casainho | well, I asked |
| 10:09:31 | Casainho | to people at here IRC channel If I could write a Twiki page for this project |
| 10:09:43 | Casainho | since It's hardware for Rb |
| 10:09:52 | markun | I personally think it's no problem |
| 10:09:59 | Casainho | TWiki also have pages for hardware! |
| 10:10:03 | Llorean | I'm just stating why it might have been removed. |
| 10:10:22 | Llorean | Casainho: Please try not to split your sentences across lines. |
| 10:10:32 | Casainho | well, I would like to know where should that page be listed... |
| 10:10:37 | Casainho | can someone sugest? |
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| 10:11:52 | Zagor | Casainho: it doesn't have to be listed anywhere to be valuable. it will always be listed in the index page and you can list it from your username page if you want extra links |
| 10:12:01 | Zagor | google will find it |
| 10:12:37 | Zagor | the front page is special, we try not to clutter it. I think that is why Bagder removed it. |
| 10:13:14 | markun | Casainho: if you want you can make a HardwareProjects page and also link to the projects we have allready |
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| 10:15:36 | Llorean | Casainho: Have you read the forum guidelines? |
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| 10:41:33 | Bagder | yeah, that's why I removed it |
| 10:41:48 | Bagder | and I removed the korean page too from it yday |
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| 10:42:49 | picker | Hello. There are a couple of typos in pictureflow.c. "Could allocate temporary buffers": 'not' is missing |
| 10:43:15 | picker | "Could note free temporary buffers": it should read "not", not "note" |
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| 10:45:58 | pradin | picker: Why don't you submit a patch? |
| 10:48:08 | picker | pradin: not worth the effort IMHO. Either a developer with commit rights picks this up or it can remain as it is. Not a critical issue. |
| 10:49:29 | Casainho | Llorean: no. sorry |
| 10:50:27 | rasher | picker: fixed |
| 10:50:55 | Casainho | markun: HardwareProjects seems ok! |
| 10:51:09 | Casainho | what hardware projects are in RB? |
| 10:51:15 | Casainho | just RBplayer, right? |
| 10:51:32 | Bagder | there have been numerous over the years |
| 10:51:36 | rasher | Casainho: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#Hardware |
| 10:51:58 | rasher | In fact, I'd say that's where your page belongs as well |
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| 10:53:24 | Casainho | ehehe - someone puted that page already there!! :-) :-) |
| 10:53:30 | Casainho | nice :-) |
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| 11:02:12 | markun | Casainho: yes, I'm working on it |
| 11:02:42 | Casainho | markun: thank you ;-) |
| 11:05:06 | markun | Casainho: just 2 projects so far :) Did you find some more? |
| 11:05:35 | Casainho | ?? what 2 projects? send me links please |
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| 11:06:55 | markun | Casainho: 3 now |
| 11:07:01 | markun | they are in the wiki |
| 11:08:52 | Llorean | Casainho: Why did you start a new thread when you already had a thread? |
| 11:10:07 | Casainho | because I wanted a specific thread for this project! other is not specific. IMO |
| 11:11:09 | Bagder | it was |
| 11:11:14 | Llorean | I've merged them |
| 11:11:17 | Bagder | now there's two and thus more confusion than less |
| 11:11:41 | Bagder | and now there's one ;-) |
| 11:11:49 | Llorean | As nobody was actually working on anything, it was all entirely discussion. If you start actually making yours, and someone starts making separate hardware, they can start a second thread. |
| 11:13:32 | Casainho | Thank you Llorean, I didn't know that could be merged :-) |
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| 11:14:00 | Bagder | Casainho: so you're leaning towards the AVR32 based one? |
| 11:14:12 | uski | i'd like to download the source code of the Sansa e200 port, but i can't find a way to do so; i expect i have to do some SVN checkout; any clue ? |
| 11:15:04 | Bagder | uski: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN |
| 11:15:14 | Bagder | or you can download a tarball |
| 11:15:24 | Casainho | Bagder: I and scharkalvin are the ones that want to make the project(until now), and both of us like the AVR32 |
| 11:15:34 | uski | ty Badget; wow, at least a nickname i recognize :D (i was spending lots of time here a few ... years ago, back to the Archos Recorder era) |
| 11:15:36 | Casainho | also because of the dev board |
| 11:17:11 | Casainho | for me, the important is free/open dev tools and a good board to start, as future continuity of that microcontroler and others ICS |
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| 11:17:39 | Bagder | and btw, my experience tells me the final product _never_ looks exactly like the dev board |
| 11:17:55 | uski | i'm not sure Atmel is known to offer long availability of their chips; they keep rotating their AVR microcontrollers |
| 11:18:01 | Casainho | Bagder: so, what you advice? |
| 11:18:13 | Bagder | I'm sure they rotate their products about as fast as all others |
| 11:18:35 | uski | yea but for instance microchip still provides the 16C54 which is one of the very first IC they offered |
| 11:18:40 | Bagder | Casainho: nothing, just mentioning it since I got the impression you were planning to use the exact design from the board |
| 11:18:45 | uski | (i'm not a microchip fan it's just an example) |
| 11:18:54 | uski | a big problem with atmel is that they do not manufacture themselves their ICs |
| 11:19:07 | Bagder | yeah, I know the big fpga guys tend to claim to provide very old stuff too |
| 11:19:15 | uski | this creates a need for them to stop producing ICs which are not sold well |
| 11:19:22 | Bagder | but I don't know of any serious SoC manufacturers that do |
| 11:19:32 | Bagder | and I don't think it is a real issue for this project anyway |
| 11:19:37 | uski | microchip have their own production facilities, so they don't mind just running a new batch of old ICs just to have them in stock |
| 11:19:39 | uski | yea |
| 11:19:56 | uski | i was just pointing that out, and as you say the final project never looks like the dev HW so.. |
| 11:20:03 | Bagder | yeah |
| 11:20:18 | markun | Bagder: too bad that fpga's are not power efficient enough, would be fun to use a open-cores based DAP :) |
| 11:20:23 | Bagder | the involved people need to be prepared to phase out hw as they go end of life |
| 11:20:38 | phr | i think 16c54 etc. are designed into industrial devices, mil, medical, etc. that would have to be requalified if anything changed, so there's requirements to keep the old parts available. nobody cares if last year's mp3 soc is still around |
| 11:21:10 | Bagder | heck, in one of my recent projects the SDRAM circuit went out of life before the product even reached the first customer |
| 11:21:37 | Llorean | Ouch |
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| 11:22:10 | Bagder | and I've been in many projects where the guys "just take the dev board design" |
| 11:22:19 | Bagder | and then we sit for months to get the first pcb running |
| 11:22:47 | Bagder | and then I speak of full-time months... |
| 11:23:25 | Bagder | hw guys are just like us sw guys, confident that it is easy to get things right :-) |
| 11:23:34 | Zagor | heck, how else would rockbox ever develop? :) |
| 11:23:48 | petur | hmmm here at work we never do this, always own prototype and get sw running on it ;) |
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| 11:24:23 | Bagder | petur: right, but how functional is the first (ever) pcb manufactured of a product? |
| 11:25:40 | Bagder | possibly I'm involved in first-generation products made by small companies a bit more often than the average guy |
| 11:25:48 | petur | Most of the time the second prototype is ok |
| 11:27:01 | petur | too bad most hw devs here already have spare time projects (most in domotica), I should bug them about creating an mp3 player :) |
| 11:27:29 | uski | phr: i totally agree with you that noone cares about the future availability of some MP3 player chip; the point of my remark was to show that saying that the AVR32 is a good choice for future availability is not correct; i never said it matters for that application |
| 11:27:35 | uski | damn on what sort of projects are you all working |
| 11:27:48 | uski | usually it works correctly on the first PCB where i've worked |
| 11:28:56 | * | petur is working on big telecom cards with PQI or PQII processors... |
| 11:29:08 | phr | i think the avr32 will stay around for a while, maybe not in some particular soc, but in one form or another, so it's worth targeting code to |
| 11:29:30 | Bagder | lunch! |
| 11:29:35 | uski | petur: i see :) |
| 11:30:03 | uski | where do i change the FM region setting on my sansa e200... |
| 11:30:03 | Zagor | my experience is similar to Bagders'. with the addition that it's not rare that the chips used contain bugs that we painstakingly find and report to the manufacturer... |
| 11:30:05 | uski | can't find it |
| 11:30:11 | uski | OH YES |
| 11:30:21 | Zagor | bleeding edge sucks :) |
| 11:30:26 | petur | Zagor: very true! |
| 11:30:35 | uski | i did a quick hack^H^H^Hproject with a PIC24 from microchip |
| 11:30:37 | uski | buggy as hell |
| 11:30:56 | petur | I have very frequent interaction with Maxim support (which is very good) |
| 11:31:03 | uski | they actually designed these chips for JTAG programming/debugging, hence the J in their full names (PIC24HJ128GP306) for me |
| 11:31:10 | uski | in their errata you can read: |
| 11:31:12 | uski | Module: JTAG |
| 11:31:15 | uski | Problem: it doesn't work |
| 11:31:17 | uski | Work around: none |
| 11:31:21 | petur | lol |
| 11:31:22 | GodEater_ | hahah |
| 11:31:24 | uski | pretty funny if you ask me |
| 11:31:36 | uski | how can they release a chip like that |
| 11:31:55 | uski | also we had some issue with the SPI and it was veeery suspicious |
| 11:32:03 | Zagor | lunch |
| 11:32:22 | uski | i wanted to send 9bits stuff to a LCD display, so i just disable the SPI, send one bit manually, and reenable the SPI... doesn't work |
| 11:32:29 | * | petur gets hungry but has to wait another hour :( |
| 11:32:31 | uski | seems like you can't use the SPI for some time after you activate it |
| 11:32:49 | uski | and this wasn't in the errata |
| 11:33:17 | uski | i HATE these new ICs |
| 11:33:28 | uski | especially when i'm the tester :) |
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| 11:44:30 | Casainho | AVR32, maybe 6 years of life? |
| 11:48:19 | amiconn | markun: The 8MB mod for archoses and the backlight mod for Ondios are 2 more hardware projects |
| 11:49:38 | amiconn | Oh, and the alarm mod for recorder v1 |
| 11:49:57 | Llorean | Are RTC mode for H100 and CompactFlash drives in various players already there? |
| 11:50:47 | Llorean | mod |
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| 11:54:07 | pixelma | I think there is a wiki page for a cf mode on Mini |
| 11:54:12 | pixelma | *mod |
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| 11:55:40 | * | petur is going to convert his h320 into an h308 or h316 using a CF crad :) |
| 11:55:45 | petur | *card |
| 11:55:56 | Llorean | petur: I'm considering that for my H120 |
| 11:56:10 | uski | amiconn: by alarm mod, do you mean the mod consisting of connecting the alarm output of the RTC to the ON button ? |
| 11:56:27 | petur | the adapter is oreder, looking for a CF card right now |
| 11:56:31 | uski | there was also a mod consisting of replacing the SST39VF020 by a SST39VF040 i think |
| 11:56:39 | * | petur goes to typing class |
| 11:56:58 | Llorean | petur: Does CF go up to 32/64? |
| 11:57:20 | petur | have not seen anything above 32GB and way too expensive |
| 11:57:25 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 11:57:35 | petur | up to 16GB the price is reasonable |
| 11:57:38 | Llorean | Gotcha |
| 11:57:45 | Llorean | Well, it's planned for when the HD finally gives up |
| 11:57:47 | Llorean | So there's time |
| 11:58:08 | petur | I'm probably going 8GB and upgrade when 16/32/62 is affordable |
| 11:58:46 | petur | *64 |
| 11:59:16 | Llorean | Basically I just want to do everything I can to increase the odds of my H1xx living forever |
| 11:59:42 | uski | Llorean, you should start thinking about buying 1 or 2 off ebays so that you have parts if you break something |
| 11:59:47 | uski | they should be cheap now shouldn't they ? |
| 11:59:48 | petur | guess why I now have two h300's ;) |
| 11:59:52 | uski | ^^ |
| 11:59:59 | Llorean | uski: They really aren't as cheap as you'd hope |
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| 12:00:04 | uski | ok |
| 12:00:15 | Llorean | the h100 series is an incredible recording device with Rockbox. |
| 12:00:29 | Llorean | I need to watch for already broken ones. |
| 12:01:14 | pixelma | uski last I looked (about half a year ago though) they weren't cheap - H140 went for 200€ and a bit above when in working condition |
| 12:01:15 | petur | Llorean: do you monitor MR? There are some sales there some times |
| 12:01:45 | uski | MR ? |
| 12:01:49 | Llorean | petur: I haven't been to MR in a long time. It's a good idea though |
| 12:02:03 | Llorean | I eventually just stopped being able to read Rockbox related posts there. |
| 12:03:22 | joey1 | Hi there. could someone with the rights allow me to upload my version of the default theme to the wiki for the iriver h10 5&6GB pretty please |
| 12:04:06 | pixelma | what's your wiki name? |
| 12:04:33 | joey1 | um, JosephChesterton |
| 12:05:53 | pixelma | you should be able to edit pages now |
| 12:06:53 | joey1 | thanks! |
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| 12:10:34 | amiconn | uski: yes |
| 12:10:45 | uski | k |
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| 12:26:22 | roolku | hm, when I use the pictureflow for a while I reproducably get a Data Abort at 0007c6bc which according to my map file seems to be in memcpy? http://pastebin.ca/811948 Any idea what could be causing that? Something like a wrong pointer perhaps? |
| 12:27:11 | roolku | (gigabeat, if that makes a difference) |
| 12:27:53 | GodEater_ | http://empegbbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=305006#Post305006 |
| 12:28:38 | Llorean | Ah yes, we have a long standing habit of asking people to violate NDAs, surely. Wonderful. |
| 12:28:43 | * | Bagder can't figure out how to use rbutil... |
| 12:28:56 | Llorean | I haven't used it yet either. |
| 12:29:11 | mrkiko | Bagder: follow the manual way - it works |
| 12:29:13 | Bagder | I wanted to just replace my bootloader but... |
| 12:29:30 | Bagder | the manual doesn't describe for example "select your device in the file system" |
| 12:29:46 | Bagder | and neither why the audio player list got blank all of a sudden |
| 12:29:59 | Bagder | so I can't select my type anymore and then the install procedure goes nuts |
| 12:30:27 | Bagder | ah |
| 12:30:35 | Bagder | the autodetect worked! |
| 12:30:44 | Bagder | now the download fails... |
| 12:31:13 | Zagor | what a bag of ... |
| 12:31:14 | Bagder | download error: received HTTP error -328392559 |
| 12:31:19 | Llorean | I'd love an all purpose command-line installer to parallel RBUtil. "rbtool -bootloader -build -target=NANO /media/IPOD" |
| 12:31:38 | Bagder | this "in file system" is not really clear |
| 12:31:45 | Bagder | it wants the device name |
| 12:31:51 | Llorean | It shouldn't |
| 12:31:56 | Llorean | It should want the mount point |
| 12:32:05 | Bagder | for bootloader it needs the device |
| 12:32:16 | Llorean | Yeah, but for the bootloader you shouldn't be locating it in the file system. |
| 12:32:45 | Bagder | hehe, that http error number looks totally random |
| 12:32:49 | Bagder | I get a new one every time |
| 12:32:58 | Llorean | At least, that's what I thought the reasoning behind the "in the file system" was, that we avoided "mount point" on the basis that some of the shinier modern distros are so friendly about automounting that people might not actually know what was meant by mount point. |
| 12:33:34 | Bagder | "Object::connect: No such signal HttpGet::downloadDone(int,bool)" in the console doesn't look really smooth either |
| 12:34:03 | Llorean | Are you using the most recent binary from the download. server or building yourself? |
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| 12:34:17 | Bagder | the download one |
| 12:35:27 | Llorean | I think the download version may have broken auto-detect at least. I *think* I heard that |
| 12:35:30 | Bagder | sansapatcher "just works" |
| 12:36:16 | Bagder | well, I got output in my terminal saying |
| 12:36:23 | Bagder | "[INFO] e200 found - /dev/sdc" |
| 12:36:33 | Bagder | which is entirely correct |
| 12:37:42 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 12:37:44 | Bagder | now I skipped the bootloader part and it worked |
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| 12:37:52 | Llorean | Sansapatcher and Ipodpatcher both work rather well |
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| 12:38:04 | Llorean | But the same code in the Utility don't, and I thought that was fixed in SVN |
| 12:38:12 | * | Llorean hasn't played with RBUtil nearly at all |
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| 12:41:25 | * | mrkiko will never do it, aniway |
| 12:41:41 | Bagder | I just felt like trying it out ;-) |
| 12:41:47 | Bagder | it was my first |
| 12:42:59 | Llorean | It'll be nice when it works reliably |
| 12:43:32 | Bagder | indeed, it is the way forward |
| 12:43:48 | Llorean | Though as I said, I'd like a CLI option. |
| 12:43:57 | Bagder | I agree completely |
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| 12:56:49 | * | mrkiko is searching for someone to grab food for him |
| 12:57:03 | * | Bagder volunteers! |
| 12:57:06 | Bagder | :-) |
| 12:57:23 | mrkiko | :) thank you so much ! :) |
| 12:58:43 | sup | youre welcome |
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| 13:19:19 | markun | Can anyone make sense of the link in here? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13600.msg107226#msg107226 |
| 13:21:24 | Bagder | I guess he means that due to that flac playback test did fine, people will like flac better |
| 13:21:49 | Bagder | I would say that's just another test to add to the pile |
| 13:21:51 | markun | maybe my browser is acting weird because I didn't see a flac playback test |
| 13:22:08 | Bagder | http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=33226&st=175&p=316496&# |
| 13:22:17 | Bagder | contains a playback test with several lossless codecs |
| 13:22:23 | Bagder | with his modified files |
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| 13:23:13 | markun | wow, looks very very different in IE compared to FF. Maybe something else I'm doing wrong. |
| 13:23:32 | Bagder | the test is of course not very telling since its hard to tell if it is the format or the actual implementation of the codec that is bad |
| 13:23:46 | Bagder | I would guess the latter in most cases |
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| 13:28:01 | GodEater_ | spooky |
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| 13:42:28 | petur | Llorean: there are some h3x0 for sale on MR, no h1x0 atm... this is the spot: http://www.misticriver.net/forums/buy-sell-trade/ |
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| 14:08:32 | jac0b-work | do I need to do anything special to compile on kubuntu |
| 14:09:05 | LinusN | jac0b-work: well, you need to install the compiler(s) |
| 14:09:22 | jac0b-work | yeah the rockbox.sh |
| 14:09:33 | jac0b-work | that does it all right |
| 14:09:45 | GodEater_ | and install build-essential too |
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| 14:09:51 | GodEater_ | otherwise you won't have make/perl etc |
| 14:09:59 | LinusN | then you need to setup the path variable |
| 14:10:15 | GodEater_ | that's after running rockboxdev.sh |
| 14:10:23 | GodEater_ | although I guess it doesn't hurt to do it first :) |
| 14:10:48 | jac0b-work | so install build-essential then do the rockbox.sh |
| 14:13:37 | GodEater_ | rockboxdev.sh |
| 14:13:45 | GodEater_ | I don't believe there's anything called rockbox.sh |
| 14:14:09 | jac0b-work | oh okay |
| 14:14:15 | jac0b-work | one more thing |
| 14:15:20 | jac0b-work | say I make the PATH permanent if I go to build a program will it use that PATH also |
| 14:16:34 | GodEater_ | everything uses the PATH |
| 14:16:54 | GodEater_ | but if you mean "will trying to build a program for my PC" use the rockbox compilers, then the answer is no |
| 14:17:13 | GodEater_ | they don't replace the system gcc |
| 14:17:18 | jac0b-work | yeah that it |
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| 14:17:50 | jac0b-work | but doesn't the rockboxdev.sh don't and build another gcc |
| 14:18:20 | jac0b-work | but doesn't the rockboxdev.sh d/l and build another gcc* |
| 14:18:33 | jac0b-work | on top of the existing gcc |
| 14:18:37 | Llorean | No |
| 14:18:53 | GodEater_ | it builds different compilers, with different names |
| 14:18:53 | Llorean | It builds arm-elf-gcc and sh-elf-gcc and m68k-elf-gcc depending on which you pick |
| 14:19:44 | jac0b-work | oh okay so it just adds to the existing gcc |
| 14:20:05 | GodEater_ | well - the new gcc files have nothing to do with the existing one |
| 14:21:03 | jac0b-work | where does the new gcc files go? |
| 14:21:31 | GodEater_ | /usr/local unless you specify elsewhere |
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| 14:22:16 | jac0b-work | but the rockboxdev.sh will do all that right? |
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| 14:22:25 | GodEater_ | yes |
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| 14:23:02 | krazykit | jac0b-work, you may need to manually edit your $PATH though |
| 14:23:22 | jac0b-work | I am asking all this b/c I have switched to linux fully |
| 14:23:45 | jac0b-work | krazykit: yeah I know thanks |
| 14:23:51 | webguest69 | My CD has a 7-second gap between songs that I want to use rockbox features to remove. Which ones do I use and what do I do? Maybe not remove the gap from the file, but just not play that part of the file. |
| 14:24:15 | GodEater_ | If the CD has the gap, there's little Rockbox can do about it |
| 14:24:30 | jac0b-work | can't he do a crossfade |
| 14:24:53 | jac0b-work | to the next track |
| 14:25:02 | GodEater_ | that's not the same as not playing the gap |
| 14:25:06 | webguest69 | I would imagine crossfade could do it but I know very little about that stuff coming from ipod-os land. Just what settings would I use? |
| 14:25:09 | jac0b-work | true |
| 14:25:26 | webguest69 | There |
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| 14:25:33 | GodEater_ | also 7 seconds is a long crossfade time |
| 14:26:02 | webguest69 | I got this from the itunes music store, so... |
| 14:26:04 | jac0b-work | webguest69: do you really want to keep that big of a gap on the beginning of your track? |
| 14:26:16 | GodEater_ | webguest69: I thought you said it was from a CD ? |
| 14:26:18 | webguest69 | I hate it. |
| 14:26:42 | GodEater_ | I'd just use an audio editor to remove it |
| 14:26:48 | webguest69 | It is. It was the only way I could get rb to play it. I burned it and ripped it again. |
| 14:26:57 | GodEater_ | ah I see |
| 14:27:08 | GodEater_ | well I'd still use an audio editor on it |
| 14:27:14 | webguest69 | Anyway, what would the crossfade settings be? |
| 14:27:18 | GodEater_ | that's a better idea than trying to cross fade such a large gap |
| 14:27:23 | GodEater_ | webguest69: they're detailed in the manual |
| 14:27:29 | GodEater_ | which you're supposed to read |
| 14:28:01 | webguest69 | I have already checked there but I cannot figure out which setings need to be where |
| 14:28:34 | GodEater_ | what was hard to understand about the crossfade section ? |
| 14:28:37 | GodEater_ | maybe we can improve it |
| 14:29:08 | Llorean | GodEater_: The crossfade function options themselves are kinda bad. |
| 14:29:10 | webguest69 | I know what the settings do, but it was difficult to figure it out. I don't know. Does the fade out delay need to be 0 and the fadeout duration 7 or are those the fade in settings or what |
| 14:29:35 | Llorean | There's one more option than necessary, I think |
| 14:30:24 | GodEater_ | really ? |
| 14:30:35 | GodEater_ | they seem ok to me |
| 14:30:36 | jac0b-work | webguest69: what player are you using |
| 14:30:53 | webguest69 | No. Where do the fade in duration, fade in delay, fade out duration and fade out delay settings need to be? ipod4g |
| 14:32:05 | Llorean | GodEater_: Couldn't Fade In/Out Delay/Duration be replaced with "How many seconds of the ending song to use" "How many seconds of the new song to use" and "Total time spent crossfading"? |
| 14:32:19 | Llorean | With of course shorter names |
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| 14:32:50 | webguest69 | What I think is, "ending song cut" "next song cut" and "crossfade duration". |
| 14:33:20 | GodEater_ | perhaps so |
| 14:33:25 | ed2 | hello every1. Anyone knows something about the M:robe 500i port status ? |
| 14:33:32 | GodEater_ | in any event, I still think it's the wrong way to remove this gap |
| 14:33:48 | Llorean | It's absolutely the wrong way to remove the gap |
| 14:33:55 | jac0b-work | webguest69: Fade In Delay. I would set maybe at 8 seconds |
| 14:33:57 | Llorean | ed2: The code as far as it is, is in SVN. |
| 14:34:21 | webguest69 | How about the other 3? |
| 14:34:50 | jac0b-work | Fade In Duration. Fade Out Delay. maybe both at 0 |
| 14:34:51 | ed2 | Llorean do you know something about playing video ? |
| 14:35:31 | jac0b-work | Fade Out Duration. maybe 7 |
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| 14:36:21 | webguest69 | thanks. |
| 14:36:48 | Llorean | ed2: If you're asking about playing video on the m:robe 500 port, THAT PORT IS NOT SUPPORTED. It's not listed on the front page of the site, and things don't work yet. Many things. |
| 14:37:17 | jac0b-work | webguest69: or maybe try the Fade In & Out both at 7 seconds |
| 14:37:38 | webguest69 | You mean delay or duration |
| 14:38:04 | jac0b-work | yeah |
| 14:38:14 | webguest69 | which one? |
| 14:38:16 | ed2 | Llorean k thanks man i hope it gets availlable soon |
| 14:38:49 | jac0b-work | webguest69: or maybe try the Fade In Delay & Out Duration both at 7 seconds |
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| 14:39:37 | Llorean | My suggestion would just be to use Audacity to cut out the silence, and be done with it. |
| 14:39:42 | webguest69 | thanks |
| 14:40:05 | webguest69 | Problem... there are 11 tracks |
| 14:40:08 | Llorean | I can't imagine that crossfade sounding particularly good on any songs that aren't horribly crippled by strange silence. |
| 14:40:21 | jac0b-work | thats true |
| 14:40:24 | Llorean | webguest69: 11 is not a large number. |
| 14:40:38 | jac0b-work | if it was me I would just edit out the silence |
| 14:40:49 | Llorean | With how long you've been in here, you probably could've done all 11. :) |
| 14:41:07 | webguest69 | Another thing... I don't have audasity |
| 14:41:20 | jac0b-work | its free just google it |
| 14:41:41 | webguest69 | Thanks. |
| 14:42:10 | jac0b-work | you might want to get the mp3 plugin also if you want to export as a mp3 |
| 14:42:32 | webguest69 | Oh. I am not sure my computer can handle audasity. I am running a 1.2. This sound editor looks power-hungry to me. |
| 14:42:47 | jac0b-work | 1.2Ghz |
| 14:42:54 | freqmod_nx | does anybody know why rockbox on sansa sometimes takes half a minutte to enter a folder in the menu, and then works fast before and afterwards? |
| 14:43:21 | webguest69 | How many files are in the folder? |
| 14:43:32 | freqmod_nx | less than 20 |
| 14:43:56 | jac0b-work | webguest69: 1.2Ghz |
| 14:44:01 | webguest69 | Oh... I have this problem but only on a folder with 4700 files. |
| 14:44:14 | webguest69 | I understand. yes. |
| 14:44:36 | jac0b-work | audacity should be fine for you |
| 14:45:06 | webguest69 | All right. GOt to do my workout. (P.S. Rockbox is a good workout companion) |
| 14:45:26 | Crash91 | freqmod_nx: were you listening to music at the time? It is possible that the music is loacted in a directory with many other files, which would probably slow the browser down |
| 14:45:34 | freqmod_nx | no |
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| 14:45:54 | Crash91 | =/ well i never had that problem |
| 14:45:59 | * | freqmod_nx tries to reproduce more |
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| 14:48:17 | Crash91 | freqmod_nx: eh...the phrasing was suggestive.... |
| 14:48:35 | freqmod_nx | *reproduce the bug |
| 14:49:52 | freqmod_nx | hmm seems that i have to wait in the directory for a bit before i change to another |
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| 14:51:34 | freqmod_nx | yupp, start the sansa, select file view, wait for 5-10 sek and select a folder |
| 14:52:28 | freqmod_nx | the first time the entering of the folder took a while, the secound when i exited from the folder i had entered |
| 14:52:41 | freqmod_nx | (5-10 sec= until the screen turns off) |
| 14:52:50 | jac0b-work | thanks for the help everyone |
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| 14:53:41 | * | freqmod_nx tries with default settings |
| 14:56:23 | sandsmark | caching? |
| 14:56:45 | freqmod_nx | the "bug" has dissapeared |
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| 15:05:44 | preglow | jhMikeS: is this related to talk clip bugs? |
| 15:05:55 | preglow | looks like no |
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| 15:06:46 | freqmod_nx | it worked to save the settings, reset the settings restart and load the settings again. |
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| 15:08:41 | LinusN | preglow: no, it is related to my problems with getting the flanger plugin work on the x5 |
| 15:09:00 | preglow | ahh, i was planning on having a look at that today :> |
| 15:09:08 | LinusN | works fine on the h100 :-) |
| 15:09:24 | preglow | perhaps it's time to expand that plugin a bit |
| 15:09:34 | Crash91 | does rockbox automatically scale AA or doe sit crop it? |
| 15:09:36 | * | LinusN imagines effectpedal.rock |
| 15:09:44 | preglow | would be cool with a couple of more effects and possibility to cascade them |
| 15:10:19 | LinusN | zoombox |
| 15:10:25 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:10:26 | preglow | haha |
| 15:10:40 | preglow | i think "stompbox" would be perfect :P |
| 15:10:47 | LinusN | "rockbox" :-P |
| 15:10:53 | preglow | ahahah |
| 15:10:53 | preglow | yeah |
| 15:11:13 | preglow | but no, a delay begs to be made, the flanger pretty much has all the needed code |
| 15:11:19 | preglow | autowah would be a no-brainer |
| 15:11:30 | preglow | some nice distortion |
| 15:11:43 | LinusN | would be awesome |
| 15:11:44 | preglow | reverb, of course |
| 15:11:50 | LinusN | naturally |
| 15:11:54 | * | GodEater_ thinks we should change the .rock extension to .pebble |
| 15:12:02 | preglow | LinusN: could you post that flanger source some place now? |
| 15:12:10 | LinusN | sure, hang on |
| 15:13:12 | Crash91 | GodEater_: does that mean we'll be using pebblebox in the future? |
| 15:13:35 | Bagder | in the forum, blackhawk is mentioned as "posts: 1" even though we can read at least 5 of them in the motorola ezx thread... |
| 15:14:17 | Crash91 | Badger: then what do you suggest/ |
| 15:14:37 | Bagder | ? |
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| 15:15:25 | Crash91 | oh nvm....i so badly wanna listen to the razor's edge by ACDC.... |
| 15:15:33 | Bagder | I'm just saying that quite clearly the posts counter is wrong |
| 15:15:51 | jhMikeS | preglow: that final queue_post would make voice stop the pcm so the NULL just makes things wait until all async messages have been processed first |
| 15:15:58 | Crash91 | but where do i get it lol? there are no good music shops near me and i probably think virgin megastore wont have em |
| 15:17:52 | Bagder | I don't understand what you're talking about or how it is rockbox-related |
| 15:18:17 | Crash91 | well yes, it should be in -community and anyway...i want to get my handson that album |
| 15:18:37 | Llorean | Crash91: If you admit it should be there, why do you go on about it here? |
| 15:18:50 | markun | Bagder: I believe that Llorian mentioned yesterday that posts in Unsupported Builds don't count |
| 15:18:59 | Crash91 | Llorean: sorry |
| 15:19:04 | markun | Llorean of course.. |
| 15:19:33 | Llorean | Bagder: True, "unsupported builds" post counts don't count. I seem to recall I had a reasoning for that at some point. |
| 15:19:42 | Bagder | aha |
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| 15:41:11 | Llorean | LinusN: It's not a bug, at least the function still works on mine. I suspect he's not doing a long press. |
| 15:41:44 | preglow | why wouldn't unsupported builds posts count? |
| 15:41:51 | preglow | sounds kind of silly |
| 15:43:01 | Llorean | preglow: When I first did that, there were little builtin stars for post counts |
| 15:43:49 | Llorean | And I was worried that people who constantly posted and discussed unsupported builds would then have like, 500 posts, and then try to provide an answer in the main section, and have more "weight" with the reader over someone with 40 posts, just because of their largely irrelevant count |
| 15:43:54 | LinusN | Llorean: you mean that there is a separate "settings" button on the sansa? |
| 15:44:01 | Llorean | LinusN: No. |
| 15:44:16 | Llorean | LinusN: The button that goes to the Root menu now used to go to the Context menu on a short press |
| 15:44:34 | LinusN | aha |
| 15:44:42 | preglow | Llorean: unsupported builds are still rockbox builds, i hardly think their answers would be irrelevant |
| 15:44:45 | Llorean | I think he's pressing it, getting the main menu, and not realizing we're telling him it's now on a different button, Long Select instead of "Down" (or "Menu" depending on what you want to call it) |
| 15:44:58 | LinusN | probably |
| 15:45:09 | preglow | how do plugin categories work? i can't find any file that decides where stuff goes |
| 15:45:10 | Llorean | preglow: Most of the time they aren't, but you do get a decent amount of people telling people to use a menu option that doesn't exist. |
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| 15:45:23 | LinusN | preglow: apps/plugins/CATEGORIES |
| 15:45:36 | Llorean | I could remove the post count restriction now, I suppose. But I also don't consider the "Unsupported Builds" section really a part of our forums. |
| 15:45:41 | preglow | cool |
| 15:45:46 | Llorean | If I could I'd remove it from the default search, too. |
| 15:45:57 | Llorean | Not disable searching entirely, but require a user to explicitly add it to a search |
| 15:46:06 | preglow | ok by as, long as it's clear it's not included |
| 15:46:10 | preglow | we don't want to be counter-intuitive |
| 15:46:17 | preglow | s/as/me/ ... |
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| 15:46:40 | Llorean | preglow: Yeah, I'd make it clear. |
| 15:46:52 | Llorean | But I don't have a good way to do it yet. |
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| 15:48:36 | * | jhMikeS is glad someone will finally put the full-duplex/pcm recording APIs to use outside the core :) |
| 15:48:56 | preglow | i've put them to use for over a year, now, just not publicly :> |
| 15:49:19 | jhMikeS | haha...I'll qualify that with "publicly" then :) |
| 15:49:27 | DefineByte | I've been away for a while so I might have missed this but has anything happened to the wps code or fonts that would make a wps that used to display properly before now run off the screen by one line at the bottom? |
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| 15:51:54 | Llorean | DefineByte: Status Bar on/off? |
| 15:52:00 | preglow | bah |
| 15:52:06 | preglow | lots of stuff needs to be implemented for it to be usable |
| 15:52:56 | LinusN | yes, like source selection and gain control |
| 15:53:00 | DefineByte | the status bar was always there |
| 15:53:13 | preglow | LinusN: yeah, and parameter control of the flanger |
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| 15:53:22 | LinusN | preglow: of course |
| 15:53:24 | preglow | and a way to chain effects |
| 15:53:35 | preglow | i hate all that gui work :/ |
| 15:54:24 | jhMikeS | preglow: thought you made a menu for it right after implementing it. |
| 15:54:34 | DefineByte | something must be bigger I guess, whether it's the font or the progress bar, I don't know |
| 15:55:46 | preglow | jhMikeS: nah, did that for phono.c, though |
| 15:55:48 | preglow | should just rip that code |
| 15:57:13 | jhMikeS | speaking of phono.c, I had crappy recording from line-in on H120 (tinny) but hooking it to the speaker out in stead of line-out fixed it. (big wtf). |
| 15:58:13 | preglow | sounds the same here |
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| 15:59:20 | DefineByte | on another topic, can anything be done about the rather loud pop when rockbox starts on the iPod Video? Anyone else get that? |
| 15:59:24 | * | preglow turns up the feedback |
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| 16:00:00 | DefineByte | \this is through the headphone out |
| 16:00:12 | * | freqmod_nx gets that too AFAIK |
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| 16:00:24 | jhMikeS | DefineByte: if the the delayed audio postinit is implemented it probably won't pop |
| 16:00:56 | * | jhMikeS notices too much code is cut and pasted from one WM driver to another usually. |
| 16:00:58 | DefineByte | is that a big 'if'? :D |
| 16:01:34 | markun | jhMikeS: going to integrate them? |
| 16:02:10 | freqmod_nx | s/AFAIK/IIRC/ |
| 16:02:20 | jhMikeS | markun: I was rather thinking the opposite. The ones without recording capability can also be much simpler. |
| 16:04:39 | jhMikeS | WM8721 should be cut down and use the same procedures as WM8731 but without shadow reg use (like WM8751). The gigabeat driver is trivial but WM8751 and WM8721 are hardly alike. |
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| 16:07:46 | preglow | i wonder why this plug has no dry output, it should have 50% |
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| 16:08:39 | preglow | righty |
| 16:08:44 | preglow | the latency was so low i didn't hear it... |
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| 16:19:53 | preglow | nothing like a subtle echo to liven up my computer user experience |
| 16:23:19 | jhMikeS | depends on what gets echoed back ;) |
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| 16:25:46 | preglow | do SOUND_LEFT_GAIN and SOUND_RIGHT_GAIN describe line in recording volume? |
| 16:26:24 | jhMikeS | my officially sanctioned resync :p http://www.pastebin.ca/812138 |
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| 16:26:40 | jhMikeS | preglow: I believe so |
| 16:27:12 | preglow | descriptive names, then |
| 16:27:59 | jhMikeS | beh...SOUND_XXX_GAIN should perhaps be named after audio sources |
| 16:28:04 | DefineByte | in the sim, when I change the repeat type from 'All' to 'Off' the next track info (title, artist) is still there. A conditional checking the next filename does work though. Is this somwthing to do with the new metadata on buffer stuff? |
| 16:28:22 | preglow | jhMikeS: what's new here? |
| 16:29:18 | DefineByte | \this is regarding the wps again |
| 16:29:19 | jhMikeS | some threading junk, up to date use of names. just a resync to conform to the latest APIs. |
| 16:29:34 | preglow | ok, will sync it |
| 16:30:07 | preglow | got a menu going now |
| 16:30:11 | preglow | adding flanger params |
| 16:31:22 | * | jhMikeS supposes any effects thread should run on COP too :) |
| 16:31:24 | preglow | why ssize_t ? |
| 16:31:35 | preglow | i don't have any pp targets i can test shit like that on |
| 16:31:36 | preglow | that is, no recording |
| 16:32:51 | jhMikeS | Duplex is not really implemented on PP but should be doable without much trouble. Haven't had the urge to bother myself yet. |
| 16:33:05 | preglow | jhMikeS: when a thread function exits, the thread gets removed? |
| 16:33:16 | jhMikeS | yep |
| 16:33:35 | jhMikeS | which makes it signaled so that thread_wait doesn't block |
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| 16:34:56 | jhMikeS | it does little more than remove_thread(NULL) in the core. remove_thread(NULL) would be just the same but letting the kernel do it for you lets you return from arbitrary places in the routine wihtout worrying about it. |
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| 16:35:42 | przemhb | hi |
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| 16:37:05 | przemhb | could someone be so kind and take a look on FS #8205 - a very simple patch correcting a translation that does not make sense in polish.lang file? |
| 16:38:43 | przemhb | the patch waits on a tracker quite a long time... |
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| 16:39:34 | markun | przemhb: I'll commit it |
| 16:39:42 | przemhb | thank you |
| 16:41:19 | przemhb | previously polish translation of "Alarm's wake-up screen" was sth like "Alarm's picture" which is obviously incorrect |
| 16:43:26 | preglow | ahah, i need to make this thing reset the idle timer too |
| 16:43:44 | markun | przemhb: done |
| 16:44:14 | przemhb | markun: thanks a lot! |
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| 16:46:19 | BoD[] | Hello, world! |
| 16:47:04 | preglow | jhMikeS: sound_set doesn't seem to work too golden with line in |
| 16:47:28 | DefineByte | is no-one else seeing this issue? |
| 16:47:48 | BoD[] | I have a question... Is there a log file or something, that could allow an external program (running on the computer where my ipod is attached) to know that I played a certain file? |
| 16:48:05 | jhMikeS | DefineByte: Haven't noticed personally |
| 16:48:18 | preglow | jhMikeS: sound_get_fn doesn't even have a case for any recording gains.... |
| 16:49:14 | jhMikeS | preglow: I think I tried to address that once but some real work needed doing in the sound code |
| 16:49:31 | preglow | ok, i'll just change back to the old gain setting functions, thebn |
| 16:49:55 | petur | BoD[]: check out Last.fm support |
| 16:49:57 | jhMikeS | use audio_set_recording_gain which I think is a hack around the problem |
| 16:49:59 | DefineByte | okay, i'll check on my iPod and report if i find anything |
| 16:50:06 | scorche|w | BoD[]: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LastFMLog |
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| 16:51:29 | BoD[] | petur, scorche|w: thanks a lot |
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| 16:52:34 | BoD[] | according to this page http://www.audioscrobbler.net/wiki/Portable_Player_Logging I would have artist and track names, but not the file location? |
| 16:53:31 | przemhb | jhMikeS, preglow: as I have found out H10's OF uses 12dB gain for tuner; what do you think about increasing RB gain for playback and recording from radio? |
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| 16:55:38 | preglow | *shrug* |
| 16:55:59 | preglow | if it's low, increase it, i've never used an h10 |
| 16:57:47 | preglow | i see no reason to blindly mimic of, but if the radio could use some more gain to have an acceptable level, just add more gain |
| 16:58:06 | BoD[] | the scrobbler thing didn't work :( |
| 16:58:29 | BoD[] | now when I play a song... it doesn't play, and also the file was not created |
| 16:59:30 | przemhb | currently default radio gain is 0dB |
| 16:59:44 | jhMikeS | przemhb: you mean for the philips chip? I'd usually prefer it to be set as loud as possible as long as it matches playback volume. |
| 16:59:52 | przemhb | at least for recording it would be good to increase it |
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| 17:00:17 | przemhb | jhMikeS: yes, from Philips chip |
| 17:00:22 | jhMikeS | It can clip the recording already...perhaps a way to combine the gains would be better :) |
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| 17:00:49 | przemhb | jhMikeS: OF has set rec gai to +12dB |
| 17:00:58 | przemhb | (playback too) |
| 17:01:37 | przemhb | I think they knew what they were doing, but RB could use for example 9dB for safety |
| 17:01:43 | BoD[] | actually... nevermind :) |
| 17:01:50 | BoD[] | thanks! |
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| 17:02:05 | przemhb | I do many recording from the radio |
| 17:02:12 | przemhb | 4h/day |
| 17:02:23 | jhMikeS | I was just thinking it could have the input range be -34.5dB to +24dB |
| 17:02:41 | przemhb | I scanned 4 such 4h recs and noticed peek level of 0.24 |
| 17:03:31 | jhMikeS | I think for FM playback it should have the same listening levels as PCM playback though. |
| 17:03:57 | przemhb | simultaneous recording of the same station on small and big H10 one boot in OF second using RB gave 11.77dB RMS difference in the volume level |
| 17:04:32 | jhMikeS | So small H10 doesn't need the +12dB boost |
| 17:04:36 | jhMikeS | ? |
| 17:04:42 | przemhb | no |
| 17:04:44 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Well, considering the wide range of recorded audio levels, what would you do? Assume replaygained audio of 89, and attempt to match the radio to approximate that? |
| 17:04:51 | preglow | jhMikeS: any idea how i make the idle timeout just go away? |
| 17:05:06 | przemhb | I have used small H10 to record using iriver's OF |
| 17:05:57 | jhMikeS | Llorean: no, assume unamplified PCM at 0db and radio playback should match that level. Actually, setting gains on x5 and H10 to +12 both result in the level being at +0dB |
| 17:06:24 | jhMikeS | preglow: idle timeout? |
| 17:06:30 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Ah, okay. |
| 17:07:09 | preglow | jhMikeS: like this thing switches off after 10 minutes of dsp use if i don't touch keys |
| 17:07:25 | Llorean | preglow: Does mpegplayer do something special for idle timeout prevention? |
| 17:07:32 | preglow | ahh, probably |
| 17:07:33 | jhMikeS | oh, hmmm. |
| 17:07:47 | jhMikeS | Llorean: that's what creeps me out...it doesn't :) |
| 17:07:51 | Llorean | Or is it still just based on "if idle timeout happens *after* rebuffering, you're fine. If rebuffers are further apart than your idle timeout, it shuts down." |
| 17:07:52 | preglow | reset_poweroff_timer |
| 17:07:53 | preglow | found it |
| 17:07:54 | jhMikeS | anything to do with the backlight? |
| 17:09:13 | przemhb | currently tuner uses only 1/4th of the ADC full scale; from an engineering point of view it is not a good situation |
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| 17:10:37 | jhMikeS | przemhb: on x5 and H10 I'd go right ahead and use the boost actually. On H100 I'm not sure yet, that has massive gain range. |
| 17:11:35 | * | jhMikeS does some checking |
| 17:12:39 | jhMikeS | yeah, it needs it on H100 too. setting recording gain to +12 normalizes to +0dB RMS with radio on. |
| 17:13:39 | amiconn | I'd think it depends massively on the radio station |
| 17:13:51 | amiconn | Unfortunately not all of them use the same modulation level |
| 17:14:44 | jhMikeS | It's a consistent thing to have to set recording gain to +12 around here to get 0dB at the ADC. They vary but not that much. |
| 17:14:53 | przemhb | amiconn: yes, but the more quiet won't be normalized |
| 17:15:54 | jhMikeS | To bring it just to clip, +13.5 to +15 is needed normally |
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| 17:18:33 | przemhb | I sure iriver's engineers designed H10 and H100 assuming 12dB |
| 17:18:46 | jhMikeS | odd thing is, e200 needs the +12 dB gain to do the same, but the boost should already be on for the sanyo chip :\ |
| 17:19:59 | preglow | perhaps i should use 32 bit arithmetic in flanger.c to make clipping easier |
| 17:20:03 | preglow | overflows like hell now... |
| 17:21:02 | jhMikeS | preglow: getting wrapping was never too hard with it. |
| 17:21:17 | preglow | sure, i don't do anything to prevent it |
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| 17:21:37 | preglow | jhMikeS: i should probably convert to a 32 bit buffer internally |
| 17:21:44 | preglow | at least i can reuse the eq routines that way... |
| 17:22:05 | jhMikeS | sounds like 1-billion mad Dorito munchers :p |
| 17:22:35 | preglow | haha |
| 17:22:41 | preglow | yeah, it's not exactly stellar |
| 17:22:49 | preglow | what would be a nice amount of headroom? 24 frac bits? |
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| 17:26:34 | Crash91 | will pictureflow work when music is playing? in the future |
| 17:28:09 | jhMikeS | preglow: 42dB headroom? I'd hope so. |
| 17:29:40 | GodEater_ | Crash91: currently as I understand it - it uses the audio buffer - so it'll take quite some re-working to manage that I think. |
| 17:30:43 | Crash91 | GodEater_: well it took quite some work to port it to the sansa :) i can wait |
| 17:30:56 | Crash91 | (rockbox i mean) |
| 17:31:00 | * | jhMikeS 's crystall ball says "Better not tell you now " |
| 17:31:31 | * | Crash91 doesnt have a crystal ball....but now he wants one! |
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| 17:32:26 | jhMikeS | "Reply hazy, try again" |
| 17:36:56 | preglow | think i'll just ignore these threading issues for now and access variables directly |
| 17:37:37 | preglow | cool, rockbox hangs on the usb logo with "scanning disk" |
| 17:37:41 | preglow | can't access logf either, since it hangs... |
| 17:37:51 | jhMikeS | threading issues? |
| 17:38:06 | GodEater_ | someone just kicked jhMikeS's puppy |
| 17:38:10 | preglow | ahh, i might have forgot to exit my plugin... |
| 17:38:21 | preglow | background disk access is very slow in it |
| 17:38:59 | jhMikeS | preglow: background on what? |
| 17:39:30 | * | jhMikeS preps for surgery if needed |
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| 17:40:07 | preglow | jhMikeS: if i enter my plug while there's disk activity going on in some thread, it almost stalls |
| 17:40:12 | preglow | i don't yield enough, ig uess |
| 17:40:48 | petur | pluging USB while rockbox is still booting also hangs it... |
| 17:42:11 | jhMikeS | preglow: which background stuff? dircache or something? |
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| 17:43:33 | preglow | jhMikeS: dircache, yeah |
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| 17:49:59 | Crash91 | will album art that has been resized to 150x150 work on a WPS that supports only 100x100? Does it crop? |
| 17:50:44 | Llorean | Rockbox has no resizing algorithm at this time |
| 17:50:48 | Llorean | So I believe it will crop |
| 17:51:03 | przemhb | could someone be so kind and take a look at FS #8273? (it fixes some bugs of E8564 RTC) |
| 17:51:10 | Crash91 | ok, thats fine...i was worried that it wouldnt work at all |
| 17:51:35 | Crash91 | so 100x100 is the resolution best for pictureflow? |
| 17:53:07 | jott | Crash91: at the moment.. there are some patches in the queue.. |
| 17:53:35 | jhMikeS | preglow: I _really_ have to implement priority inheritance so that stuff works right and inversion issues are gone. I suppose I can do a quick switck back to the previous way of yielding with priority (I did change the details in there) which worked for the time being. |
| 17:53:59 | Crash91 | i dont think any bigger art would look nice on the sansa |
| 17:54:14 | Crash91 | (with pictureflow) |
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| 17:55:49 | preglow | what is set_int supposed to return? |
| 17:56:13 | preglow | jhMikeS: preemptive threading... |
| 17:56:37 | preglow | people should start documenting what the hell functions do |
| 17:56:46 | preglow | i'm tired of having to read code to find out what something returns |
| 17:58:12 | jhMikeS | preglow: still subject to priority inversion. I also have some ideas about having preemptive threads which I guess would initially just be treated like COP threads for use in background tasks. |
| 17:59:17 | preglow | deed |
| 17:59:35 | preglow | ok, return true obviously doesn't signify any kind of success... |
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| 18:05:21 | RyoS | hey rockboxers |
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| 18:06:45 | preglow | got basic flanger control now |
| 18:07:15 | RyoS | may i ask if anyone still works on iAudio X5 |
| 18:07:32 | RyoS | battery usage could need some work still :) |
| 18:09:13 | Llorean | RyoS: The X5 already gets better battery life than the original firmware under Rockbox... |
| 18:09:14 | preglow | what kind of battery usage? i thought x5 got long battery times on all iaudio |
| 18:09:23 | RyoS | uhm |
| 18:09:33 | RyoS | my only gets 7h out of a full charged battery :/ |
| 18:09:36 | RyoS | *mine |
| 18:09:41 | preglow | probably the battery's fault, then |
| 18:09:48 | preglow | tried a run with the default firmware? |
| 18:09:55 | RyoS | not yet actually |
| 18:10:00 | preglow | you should |
| 18:10:04 | RyoS | i will do that next |
| 18:10:10 | preglow | we have no other complaints on battery usage on x5 |
| 18:10:17 | RyoS | alright |
| 18:10:34 | RyoS | hows about getting another battery for me, in case that this ones sucked out.. |
| 18:10:52 | RyoS | is it 'easy' to change it or will i need some skilled hands? |
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| 18:15:10 | jhMikeS | preglow: hmmm...something is changed now since the old method seems to act like the new. This was originally brought up with recording during dircache scans and the fix worked. Nothing else has changed in the kernel on that note. |
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| 18:39:37 | Jeton | With the last improvements of Picture Flow, i'm seeing picture "popup" issue. Anyone else having this? |
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| 18:41:29 | pixelma | not entirely sure what you mean but try to "Rebuild cache" from the plugin's menu, worked wonders for me yesterday... |
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| 18:42:10 | matt__ | It seems that I need to compile rbspeexenc on my Ubuntu machine before I can make the .talk files I need. Is there a good HowTo that I'm missing for this? |
| 18:42:29 | Jeton | i tried that |
| 18:42:56 | jhMikeS | preglow: I can't seem to reproduce what you're talking about. The recording screen seems to act differently but I can't say why yet but that's it. |
| 18:43:00 | preglow | matt__: it's just a matter of downloading the rockbox source and doing "make tools" |
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| 18:43:31 | matt__ | preglow: Thank you. I tried that quickly last night and failed. |
| 18:43:35 | * | jhMikeS wonders if dircache updates actually prevent file creation or something. |
| 18:43:39 | matt__ | preglow: I'll try again |
| 18:43:41 | preglow | matt__: failed how? |
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| 18:43:52 | pixelma | Jeton: then I don't know, maybe Nico_P or jott do |
| 18:43:54 | matt__ | preglow: Most likely wrong compiler (gcc) |
| 18:43:56 | preglow | matt__: if you're on 64 bit ubuntu, i can just give you a binary |
| 18:44:05 | matt__ | preglow: 32bit |
| 18:44:08 | preglow | then sorry :/ |
| 18:44:13 | Jeton | but still the issue is there. I hope this makes sense: When i scroll the images, and then the image that stands in the center, doesn't show fully, only when the scrolling stops, then the 'half' part of the image pops up. |
| 18:44:14 | Nico_P | Jeton: the popping will be fixed in the next commit |
| 18:44:22 | Nico_P | and it's already been reported on FS too |
| 18:44:45 | Jeton | Nico_P: dang, i wish you wrote that 2 sec before, i tried so hard to explain it :P |
| 18:44:53 | Jeton | ok then. |
| 18:45:01 | Nico_P | pixelma highlighted me :) |
| 18:45:26 | Crash91 | i have decided to make a program that lists all the audio files on your DAP, and lets you drag AA onto, it will then convert it and put it in the directory as cover.bmp |
| 18:45:44 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 18:45:46 | jhMikeS | aha...block_until_ready. |
| 18:45:48 | Crash91 | but the downside is - Visual Basic in .NET 2, so only for windows... |
| 18:45:51 | matt__ | preglow: It seems that the build system is setup to run a cross compiler to build for the target (such as my Sansa). I didn't have a lot of time, but I couldn't figure out how to make it must use gcc to build rbspeexenc |
| 18:46:01 | Crash91 | and its probably gonna take me a long time |
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| 18:46:09 | Crash91 | due to my extremely lazy nature |
| 18:46:31 | Jeton | Crash91: to save you time, you should check this app on ABi, it does wonders ;) http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14961 |
| 18:46:54 | Crash91 | i was guessing someone made something like that before |
| 18:48:06 | Jeton | it can save also for filenames like Artist-Track.bmp and you can select multiple files and all the album art get named with the songs name (this feature is to be released soon) . |
| 18:48:07 | * | jhMikeS thinks dircache needs to allow concurrent entry creation during scan or it's dangerous to recording |
| 18:48:17 | matt__ | preglow: considering it's a stand alone tool that is now needed to make the .talk files, I'd like to know how to build it without all the overhead of building the rest of rockbox |
| 18:48:27 | Crash91 | Jeton: i already have all my AA, it is just the tedious question of resizing (irfanview) and manually pasting them as cover.bmp |
| 18:49:11 | Jeton | Crash91: yeah, i know that process :( , But this tool comes handy for someone begining from scratch. |
| 18:49:35 | Crash91 | well, album aggregator is nice, and i used google images... |
| 18:50:21 | jhMikeS | preglow: were you creating a config file or anything when starting the plugin? |
| 18:50:21 | matt__ | preglow: I guess now is as good a time as any to learn the joys of Makefiles :-) |
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| 18:50:45 | preglow | matt__: we're working on including the encoder in rbutil |
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| 18:50:52 | preglow | which is going to become the new standard talk clip tool too |
| 18:50:58 | preglow | jhMikeS: no |
| 18:51:03 | preglow | jhMikeS: dircache scanning, that's that |
| 18:51:16 | matt__ | preglow: is that going to be a windows only (VB script) app? |
| 18:51:37 | * | Domonoky has already linked rbspeex into rbutil locally, but it isnt ready.. :-) |
| 18:52:06 | jhMikeS | it does block anything trying to write to it while its still scanning |
| 18:52:37 | jhMikeS | I think recording bypassed the system before so it would work during scan but it can't flush now during scan |
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| 18:52:48 | matt__ | Well.. back to work. Thanks everyone. |
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| 18:53:12 | jhMikeS | other things that only read the disk run fine such as playback or just loading a plugin...so hmmm |
| 18:53:30 | Crash91 | Jeton: does it autodetect my sansa or something? |
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| 18:55:37 | preglow | Domonoky: can the encode_file() interface be used? |
| 18:55:52 | Domonoky | yup |
| 18:56:04 | Crash91 | Jeton: nvm...its useles for me... |
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| 18:57:02 | Domonoky | i made a rbspeexenc_lib.c and .h and put all functions into it, built a rbspeex.a lib and linked it to the main programm in rbspeexenc.c and into rbutil.. |
| 18:57:33 | preglow | yeah, qt should be able to give you FILE* handles |
| 18:57:53 | preglow | just use fdreopen() on QFile.handle |
| 18:57:55 | * | Domonoky just used fopen() :-) |
| 18:58:08 | preglow | well, just make sure there are no charset issues |
| 18:58:49 | Domonoky | yes, as its still not ready, is will go again over this and make sure it works also for strange chars.. :-) |
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| 19:01:01 | Domonoky | i mean, generating .talk files with the builtin rbutil is now possible, but i need to rework the configuration of encoder (and tts) enignes |
| 19:01:57 | preglow | i'd love a separate dialog for each encoder |
| 19:02:15 | jhMikeS | preglow: things were changed to go through dircache by default rather than explicitely in r13943 iiuc |
| 19:02:26 | Domonoky | preglow: i am working on this.. :-) |
| 19:02:34 | preglow | Domonoky: wow, excellent! |
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| 19:03:30 | jhMikeS | preglow: so I'm guessing some "hidden" write is taking place somehow and holding things up. the threading behavior itself seems fine. |
| 19:03:40 | preglow | there, most flanger stuff can be controlled now |
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| 19:06:36 | preglow | just lfo amount left |
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| 19:07:19 | jhMikeS | preglow: so flanger in SVN soon :) |
| 19:08:00 | preglow | soon and soon |
| 19:08:06 | preglow | need to fix it to use good math first |
| 19:08:36 | preglow | you just can't beat 100% feedback |
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| 19:09:09 | preglow | add a lowpass in the feedback path too |
| 19:09:11 | preglow | stereo support |
| 19:09:11 | preglow | etc |
| 19:09:15 | preglow | plenty to do |
| 19:10:03 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'm going to want some other way of controlling the parameters too, this list view shit isn't cutting it |
| 19:10:11 | preglow | it needs good accelerated control |
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| 19:13:40 | Crash91 | what is the extension for speex? .speex? |
| 19:13:50 | preglow | .spx |
| 19:13:56 | preglow | or .ogg |
| 19:14:05 | Crash91 | okay, thanks |
| 19:14:09 | preglow | usually .spx |
| 19:15:10 | Crash91 | so, is this a comprehensive list of all the files rockbox supports? |
| 19:15:11 | Crash91 | Dim files As IO.FileInfo() = dirinfo.GetFiles("*.mp3, *.ogg, *.flac, *.wma, *.alac, *.wv, *.mp1, *.mp2, *.aiff, *.wav, *.mpc, *.ac3, *.shn, *.sid, *.adx, *.nsf, *.spc, *.ape, *.spx") |
| 19:15:38 | jhMikeS | preglow: guess you have to author it =) |
| 19:16:45 | preglow | jhMikeS: lets see how far my interest stretches, heh |
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| 19:16:50 | jhMikeS | Crash91: not quite. see id3.c for that |
| 19:16:52 | preglow | too much gui shit and interest soon wanes |
| 19:17:26 | Crash91 | jhMikeS:hmmm i dont have it...could you post it in a pastebin? (or the relevant part of it anyway?) thanks |
| 19:18:09 | jhMikeS | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/id3.c?revision=15364&view=markup |
| 19:18:46 | Crash91 | jhMikeS: thanks, the CustomWPS pages says to see id3.h, not id3.c |
| 19:19:26 | jhMikeS | I think only id3.c contains the all the various extensions used |
| 19:19:37 | Crash91 | okay, thanks for your help |
| 19:20:33 | * | jhMikeS thinks all this "id3" stuff needs renaming |
| 19:21:09 | Crash91 | wait...isnt mp4 video? isnt m4a the standard extension for that |
| 19:21:31 | Crash91 | and also, i didnt see .AAC in there, should i add that? |
| 19:21:43 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'm thinking just a vertical list of settings you can adjust, then using left/right to change that setting without entering another screen, and the adjustment being very based on accaleration |
| 19:21:53 | preglow | jhMikeS: spending half an hour in scrolling from min setting to max setting isn't cool |
| 19:22:16 | preglow | Crash91: mp4 is, like ogg, just a container, it can have video/audio/subtitles/etc |
| 19:22:25 | jhMikeS | preglow: not settings on the same line as the names! :p what are you thinking? :) |
| 19:22:43 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, subline or whatever, i won't know until i see how much space i have |
| 19:23:51 | jhMikeS | Up/Down = select. Move right = adjust mode...up/down to adjust. Move left to exit adjust mode and enter select mode. Pretty much like any TV or whatever. |
| 19:24:19 | preglow | i just want there to be as few key presses involved as possible |
| 19:24:27 | preglow | i really want to gear it for live use, heh |
| 19:24:52 | jhMikeS | Ok = hit select to adjust, left to cancel, select again to keep it |
| 19:24:57 | preglow | i just sat here dubbing some music i recorded from the ipod nano headphones with the delay send level |
| 19:25:19 | preglow | utilizing wrapping from 0% to 100% to get fast enough changes |
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| 19:26:59 | jhMikeS | I think if needs that level of control, you'll need a board with knobs |
| 19:29:09 | preglow | indeedd |
| 19:29:09 | preglow | but would be cool to make it as efficient as possible without it as well |
| 19:29:39 | preglow | i could make a midi->spi interface and connect my keyboard to it via the remote port :> |
| 19:30:48 | jhMikeS | Perhaps the world should not look upon it until it has that feature :p |
| 19:30:56 | preglow | haha |
| 19:31:10 | preglow | but nah, the only real thing i want done before commit is proper saturating math |
| 19:31:24 | preglow | it's a work in progress anyway |
| 19:32:13 | jhMikeS | then an emac implementation is mandatory first |
| 19:34:06 | preglow | not really, no, could just do it in c |
| 19:34:16 | preglow | but emac is of course coming |
| 19:34:39 | preglow | but at start, just FRACMUL kind of thing |
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| 19:47:59 | * | jhMikeS needs to get it together on the "anti-quantizer" DSP stage |
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| 19:49:39 | jhMikeS | but for now, efficiently locating MPEG GOPs by timecode will be satisfying enough |
| 19:51:16 | preglow | hmm |
| 19:51:23 | preglow | i wonder how to add stereo to the flanger |
| 19:51:32 | preglow | perhaps just adding another tap to the delay line will be ok |
| 19:53:06 | * | jhMikeS gets ticked that a google search for much MPEG-related info is just a patent list and few real tips exist. :\ |
| 19:53:43 | jhMikeS | preglow: what makes it not stereo? it mixes the audio down? |
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| 19:59:42 | mrkiko | jhMikeS: ... have you looked at mencoder sources? Or mpgtx? |
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| 20:00:47 | jhMikeS | I've had some spying around mplayer. This thing seeks fast enough now it's pointless to show a "loading" splash. I also just found something interesting. |
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| 20:05:25 | preglow | jhMikeS: beh, of course, we're doing stereo |
| 20:05:44 | preglow | just do everything in parallel, then |
| 20:05:45 | jhMikeS | All I need is clarification on things. The ISO docs suck to find thing on a moments notice. |
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| 20:05:59 | jhMikeS | preglow: what about some interation of channels? |
| 20:06:03 | jhMikeS | *interaction |
| 20:12:41 | markun | so many jerks in the forums these days :( |
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| 20:15:04 | amiconn | preglow: Isn't midi just rs232 with an unusual bitrate? |
| 20:15:26 | amiconn | 31250bps iirc |
| 20:16:06 | Slasheri | hehe, just installed a little bit of electronics into my old car :D http://ihme.org/~miipekk/auto/ |
| 20:17:29 | preglow | amiconn: nah, in a way, with different voltage levels |
| 20:17:35 | preglow | it's not voltage based at all, really, it's current loop |
| 20:17:42 | preglow | so it's not like rs232 at all in some ways |
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| 20:17:53 | toffe82 | Nico_P: I try to use pictureflow and I have an error message "could allocate temporary buffer" then plugin returned error |
| 20:18:07 | Nico_P | toffe82: is music playing? |
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| 20:19:10 | toffe82 | Nico_P: no |
| 20:19:43 | Nico_P | hmm are you up to date? |
| 20:20:20 | toffe82 | Nico_P: if music is playing there is no error |
| 20:20:29 | jhMikeS | toffe82: see my PM? |
| 20:20:31 | toffe82 | but I don't get the picture |
| 20:20:49 | Nico_P | hmm strange |
| 20:22:28 | toffe82 | Nico_p : if I use a wps with album art I see the picture perhaps too big |
| 20:22:52 | * | amiconn spots ugly scaling in svn :( |
| 20:22:58 | amiconn | Why not bilinear? |
| 20:23:02 | pixelma | isn't that the typo that got fixed earlier today (meaning it's an older version)? |
| 20:23:51 | Nico_P | amiconn: we'll probably do bilinear too and give a choice |
| 20:24:01 | Nico_P | pixelma: yeah sounds like it |
| 20:24:48 | amiconn | Who would prefer nearest neighbour over bilinear filtering?? |
| 20:24:52 | pixelma | bilinear gave me the best results on PC preparing the few albumart.bmps |
| 20:25:27 | Nico_P | amiconn: isn't bilinear slower? |
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| 20:25:52 | amiconn | Yes, somewhat. |
| 20:26:20 | amiconn | But nearest neighbor looks so crappy especially when scaling down that I'd never use it |
| 20:26:21 | Nico_P | well maybe bilinear can replace nearest neighbour when it's implemented |
| 20:26:45 | amiconn | The only exception is when scaling up by integer multiples, then it's okay |
| 20:30:07 | amiconn | The old bitmap scaling patch did also use nearest neighbour only - one reason why I did not like it |
| 20:37:16 | Nico_P | I'll probably give bilinear a go tomorrow if jott doesn't do it before |
| 20:38:43 | jhMikeS | http://scien.stanford.edu/class/psych221/projects/06/imagescaling/index.htm |
| 20:38:48 | amiconn | I think bilinear can be done without excessive buffering and with decent speed, provided the algorithm avoids division (use suitably scaling and right shifts instead) |
| 20:39:05 | amiconn | *suitable |
| 20:39:24 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: thanks :) |
| 20:40:29 | jott | amiconn: yes.. actually the nn scaling was just written because i needed it in pf .. didn't expect it get to the libs.. |
| 20:41:20 | jott | i would propose using/porting the imlib2 scaling code is a good idea.. it seems to be robust and fast |
| 20:41:54 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: covers stuff regarding edge detection and preservation if we want to be fancy about it |
| 20:42:46 | amiconn | Nah, it still needs to be fast enough for embedded use |
| 20:42:57 | amiconn | Perhaps the gigabeast could handle such fancy stuff |
| 20:43:39 | Nico_P | that's why it makes sense to have several different methods available in the pluginlib |
| 20:43:53 | Nico_P | of course in the core we'll have to find a compromise |
| 20:43:58 | pixelma | that reminds me... |
| 20:44:02 | jott | the imlib2 code is probably the fastest implementation under a free license |
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| 20:46:59 | Nico_P | pixelma: what are you reminded of? |
| 20:47:35 | * | amiconn changed his opinion about linux usb support somewhat |
| 20:49:03 | jhMikeS | I think some kernel-based filter could be fast enough just to load something |
| 20:50:01 | amiconn | You mean scale-on-load? |
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| 20:51:30 | jhMikeS | or scale on first use...if it's in the buffer it should be possible. |
| 20:52:21 | amiconn | Scale-on-load would be better, as that would allow loading images which are larger than the buffer |
| 20:52:37 | pixelma | Nico_P: re. the lib and external bitmap loading in pf... |
| 20:52:49 | amiconn | ...and the internal format is lcd native, i.e. less suitable for scaling |
| 20:52:58 | toffe82 | Nico_P: I fix it :) |
| 20:53:07 | Nico_P | toffe82: what was the problem? |
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| 20:56:54 | toffe82 | Nico_P: I resize the files to 100x100 and update to the last version ( I had the one of yesterday) |
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| 20:57:37 | Jeton | Nico_P: if you could add an option to have text on top of screen or bottom, since on the bottom it 'interferes' during fading. |
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| 20:58:20 | Jeton | at least on my Sansa it does. |
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| 21:04:03 | jpt9 | does rockbox have any sort of official album art support? i noticed there was pictureflow... |
| 21:05:43 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
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| 21:06:26 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPictureFlow |
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| 21:10:26 | faemir | Is the iaudio X5L the player that supports rockbox that has the most battery life? |
| 21:11:05 | preglow | no |
| 21:11:09 | preglow | m5l, afaik |
| 21:11:44 | amiconn | Yes, M5L is a bit better than X5L (same cpu, hdd and battery, but monochrome lcd, no radio and no usbotg chip) |
| 21:12:09 | amiconn | s/monochrome/greyscale/ |
| 21:17:04 | faemir | If only it wasn't discontinued :( |
| 21:20:39 | n1s | all players supported by rockbox are discontinued... |
| 21:22:08 | pixelma | faemir: I could also only find one on ebay. There is an UK ebay-store that sells (sold?) a bunch from time to time, called "mp3-direct" |
| 21:22:45 | pixelma | currently I could find one offer on ebay.de |
| 21:22:48 | faemir | Oh getting hold of one is not an issue |
| 21:23:21 | faemir | It's more I would rather one that isn't discontinued, but I guess that's kind of hard to do - getting a working version before the next version comes out |
| 21:25:30 | faemir | I don't suppose someone could do me a favour and post that page from the rockbox site that have different battery performance results? I've looked for /ages/ and can't find it >_> |
| 21:26:21 | * | n1s whispers BatteryRuntime |
| 21:26:45 | faemir | heh thanks |
| 21:28:09 | faemir | oh wow. gigabeat f40s look like a bargain. |
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| 21:41:24 | toffe82 | there is a lot of new F40 for 110$ actually |
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| 21:46:34 | preglow | what chip does the Fs use, again? |
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| 21:48:13 | toffe82 | preglow: samsung s3c2440 |
| 21:49:06 | preglow | nice docs? |
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| 21:56:22 | RyoS | how up to date is the IaudioPort page? |
| 21:56:43 | RyoS | it says power handling 10% done but if its said to run better? |
| 21:58:14 | RyoS | and is there any work done for the usb on the go function? :) |
| 21:59:18 | * | scorche|w has always hated those arbitrary numbers |
| 21:59:30 | RyoS | hehe ^^ |
| 21:59:37 | scorche|w | no...Rockbox does not support USBOTG |
| 21:59:44 | scorche|w | so far, anyway |
| 21:59:48 | RyoS | alright. |
| 21:59:59 | RyoS | and the battery runtime says for the X5 on the wikipage it has 7hours |
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| 22:00:22 | RyoS | which matches mine and matches my batterybench too.. :^ |
| 22:01:16 | preglow | the wiki has plenty of outdated shit |
| 22:01:16 | RyoS | but as i read and also got told here it should get more than original firmare out of the lifetime |
| 22:01:33 | preglow | the x5 runs for more than seven hours |
| 22:01:41 | scorche|w | yes...you should get more than the OF |
| 22:01:45 | RyoS | march this year is that result i relay on |
| 22:01:50 | RyoS | mh weird.. |
| 22:01:59 | RyoS | i will check it once again with the original firmware soon |
| 22:02:11 | RyoS | but its so hard to dismiss rockbox even if its only for some days :p |
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| 22:06:06 | rufus80 | Hi all |
| 22:06:31 | rufus80 | is anybody here? |
| 22:07:11 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:07:14 | Zagor | only 154 people |
| 22:08:35 | rufus80 | Please help... I have a problem with my ipod video (80gb) and it dos not work, it has a fat32 file system and i don't make a bootloader with rbinstall (ni ipods found) |
| 22:09:07 | scorche|w | are you sure it is an ipod video and not a classic? |
| 22:09:14 | rufus80 | yes |
| 22:09:18 | rufus80 | not classic |
| 22:09:34 | scorche|w | what have you done to it so far? |
| 22:09:49 | rufus80 | the ipodpatcher displays too (no ipods found) |
| 22:10:21 | RyoS | ok just reflashed the original firmware for the iaudio x5 |
| 22:10:21 | rufus80 | the only ipod with 80gb winchester is an ipod video |
| 22:10:33 | RyoS | it seems to charge more now but i had it fully charged some minutes ago.. |
| 22:10:38 | rufus80 | iaudiox5? |
| 22:10:44 | scorche|w | winchester? |
| 22:10:57 | RyoS | rufus80: yes |
| 22:11:10 | rufus80 | ok |
| 22:11:24 | RyoS | rufus80: its another "problem" if you want to name it that way :p i want to check battery lifetime with and without rockbox :) |
| 22:11:49 | preglow | should usb inserting work ok in plugins? :/ |
| 22:11:54 | rufus80 | the battery is full |
| 22:12:38 | pixelma | what winchester? |
| 22:12:50 | scorche|w | rufus80: what did you mean by "winchester"? |
| 22:13:19 | rufus80 | i dont know maybe samsung or something like that, but im sure that is a 80gb |
| 22:13:28 | rufus80 | hard drive |
| 22:13:53 | jott | is the tracker broken? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 gives me an sql error |
| 22:14:03 | scorche|w | rufus80: yes, but what i was saying is that both the ipod video 5.5gen and the ipod classics come in 80GB versions |
| 22:14:19 | rufus80 | ok |
| 22:14:23 | rufus80 | this is an ipod 5.5 |
| 22:14:55 | Bagder | jott: it looks that way, zagor you seen it? |
| 22:15:21 | Zagor | hmm |
| 22:15:29 | scorche|w | rufus80: and what did you do before trying ipodpatcher? |
| 22:15:38 | rufus80 | this ipod has a rockbox in the past and it was a problem: the macosx boot sometimes and i didn't quit |
| 22:15:45 | RyoS | preglow: can i run a batterybench with the OF too or should i just run it? |
| 22:16:09 | RyoS | and what about the battery settings under rockbox, its set to 950 mAh IIRC but I have no clue if thats right.. |
| 22:16:37 | rufus80 | i deleted the first, macosx partition and format all the 80gb partition to fat32 |
| 22:17:00 | n1s | RyoS: afaik it is correct for an x5 but it also only affect the displayed estimated battery time left |
| 22:17:18 | RyoS | n1s: ah ok got it. |
| 22:17:28 | n1s | rufus80: that's not how you do it, there's a guide in the wiki |
| 22:17:32 | amiconn | preglow: If they are coded properly, yes |
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| 22:18:50 | rufus80 | i already watched the guide |
| 22:19:32 | jott | anyway, i just ported the imlib2/qt scaling algorithm to rb... maybe someone gives it some stresstest and or some comments... http://sse2.net/rb/0040-First-proposal-for-imlib2-based-image-scaling.patch |
| 22:19:48 | jott | (plugin based atm) |
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| 22:23:29 | Nico_P | Bagder: would you agree to show me the SVN post-commit hook script that is used for rockbox? I'd like to add a similar one for a school project I'll be working on soon |
| 22:23:59 | Bagder | afaik, we don't have any post-commit hook... |
| 22:24:16 | Nico_P | how are the commit emails sent out then? |
| 22:24:23 | Bagder | oh those... |
| 22:25:27 | Bagder | we use commit-email.pl for that |
| 22:26:09 | jott | should i open a new patch ticket for this scaling thingie or add it to the bmp scale "thread"? |
| 22:26:22 | Bagder | Nico_P: http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/tools/hook-scripts/ |
| 22:26:54 | Nico_P | commit-email.pl.in? |
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| 22:27:45 | Bagder | yeah, that one gets "@SVN_BINDIR@" replaced when you install it normally |
| 22:27:58 | Bagder | and is then called commit-email.pl |
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| 22:28:02 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
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| 22:30:18 | zajacattack | so, what is happening with the default wps? |
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| 22:32:06 | amiconn | Gah, 2 freezes within 5 minutes :( |
| 22:33:04 | scorche|w | zajacattack: read the 22 page thread and you will know... |
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| 22:36:12 | amiconn | Freeze #3 |
| 22:36:41 | DM| | what is wps? |
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| 22:38:13 | DM| | ah , while playing screen |
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| 22:52:15 | Nico_P | Bagder: adding the commiter's username in the subject seems a bit nonstandard... any pointers on how it is done? |
| 22:52:51 | Zagor | Nico_P: I have patched the perl file a bit |
| 22:53:35 | Nico_P | ah |
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| 22:55:16 | preglow | jhMikeS: got all parameters controllable now |
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| 23:01:20 | markun | preglow: what are you working on? |
| 23:01:33 | preglow | markun: audio effects box plugin |
| 23:02:18 | markun | fun |
| 23:02:34 | preglow | indeed |
| 23:02:45 | preglow | just brushed up the flanger i had already coded for now and added a menu |
| 23:02:50 | preglow | but now that that's done, more effects will follow |
| 23:03:37 | Nico_P | preglow: how's the EQ plotter doing? |
| 23:04:20 | preglow | Nico_P: lousy, can't make it work with enough precision |
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| 23:05:16 | Nico_P | pity |
| 23:05:25 | preglow | yeah, indeed |
| 23:05:40 | preglow | it's just a hard problem using fixed point |
| 23:06:08 | preglow | i pretty much gave up a couple of days ago and decided to instead see if i can calculate some formulas that are hardwired to the filter types we use |
| 23:06:36 | preglow | but that approach has two problems: 1. i have to do the math..., and 2. the formulas will probably have sqrt/asin/atan/etc in them |
| 23:07:53 | jott | preglow: you may have to shift around the fractional part at some point to stay in range |
| 23:08:31 | jott | but fixedpoint arithmetics can get quite messy, you are right ;) |
| 23:08:31 | preglow | jott: the problem right now is that the numerator and denominator of a fraction i need to calculate are too close |
| 23:08:49 | preglow | at the start of the filter response |
| 23:09:00 | preglow | the higher frequency parts of the filter i can plot fine, not the lower parts |
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| 23:09:22 | Olof | hello, im currently trying to convert my albumart to bmp 100X100 so rockbox can display it |
| 23:09:39 | Olof | i have 1500albums so converting them one by one isnt an option |
| 23:10:00 | Olof | i searched the forums and alot of people said that irfanview could handle it |
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| 23:10:28 | Olof | irfanview converts them to 100X100 bmp without any problems but i want to maintain the directory structure |
| 23:10:40 | Olof | does anyone know a simple solution to this problem? |
| 23:10:45 | Olof | running windows xp btw |
| 23:11:57 | jott | preglow: pictureflow uses a long long based division, this will impact perfomance but gain precision/numerical stability.. |
| 23:12:32 | preglow | well, as long as you don't do so too often you're ok |
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| 23:12:39 | preglow | i use 64 bit divides a lot in the eq coef calculations |
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| 23:14:59 | Soap | Olof, you need to write a batch script to manually traverse your directory structure, and perform the convertion operation one-by-one with the command-line version of irfanview (if that is the program you want to use) |
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| 23:16:26 | Soap | Someone here once gave me the excellent program fae.exe for doing this within windows. I forget who gave me this traversing program - or under what terms they gave it to me - so I don't feel good about redistributing it. If they see this and want to PM me I would be gracious. |
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| 23:17:47 | Olof | Soap: well i want to use irfanview if it can do what i want |
| 23:18:01 | Olof | Soap: if you know any program that is better than that would be great :) |
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| 23:19:37 | preglow | imagemagick works just fine |
| 23:19:40 | preglow | you still need the batch part |
| 23:20:08 | Olof | preglow: i dont mind using a non-gui program at all and ive used imagemagick before :) |
| 23:20:09 | * | jott throws bash one-liners around |
| 23:20:21 | Olof | but im not sure how i can achieve this under windows xp |
| 23:20:30 | Soap | regardless of what converter you use - you need one which performs the same operation (convert folder.jpg to cover.bmp, scale cover.bmp) in every directory in your tree while dumping the result in the folder the folder.jpg was found it. The only way _I_ found to do this was to run the operation in each and every directory - which is where FAE comes in as it navigates up the tree repeating a windows command. |
| 23:20:58 | Olof | ah |
| 23:21:17 | Olof | Soap: what does FAE stand for? got any more information on where to find it etc |
| 23:21:19 | Soap | preglow, how do you use imagemagick from the command line in Windows - and have it work in multiple directories - I looked into it but was unable to figure out a batch script to do so. |
| 23:21:40 | Bagder | using cygwin+imagemagick, it should be fairly easy |
| 23:21:59 | Bagder | find . -name "*.jpg" ... |
| 23:22:02 | preglow | Olof: no, the windows part would be what i'm not sure about |
| 23:22:07 | preglow | it's trivial if you've got a proper shel, though |
| 23:22:12 | preglow | or a port of "find" |
| 23:22:14 | Olof | preglow: ok :/ |
| 23:22:19 | Olof | yea, i just thought of that |
| 23:22:26 | ze | i'd just do a for f in $(find -iname '*.jpg');do convert -sample 100x100 "$f" "${f/\.jpg/.bmp}";done or such |
| 23:22:31 | Soap | didn't think about looking for a port of 'find' |
| 23:23:04 | Olof | find seems to be included in windows |
| 23:23:14 | Soap | is it? |
| 23:23:23 | Olof | C:\Documents and Settings\Olof>find |
| 23:23:24 | Olof | FIND: Parameter format not correct |
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| 23:24:25 | preglow | hmm, now how much delay would a flanger need |
| 23:25:17 | ze | preglow: more than a chorus but less than a phaser? or something :p |
| 23:25:38 | toffe82 | Olof: try xnview, I just use it and it works fine |
| 23:25:39 | ze | or is it more than a phaser too, i forget |
| 23:25:46 | preglow | ze: well, it'll double as a chorus |
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| 23:25:55 | preglow | ze: right now i've got about 250ms, which should be plenty, really |
| 23:25:55 | Olof | toffe82: thanks for the tip :) |
| 23:26:20 | Olof | toffe82: isnt it freeware? |
| 23:26:22 | Olof | or oss |
| 23:26:25 | toffe82 | Olof: yes |
| 23:26:31 | ze | preglow: seems likely plenty |
| 23:26:32 | Olof | ah, saw now |
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| 23:26:40 | toffe82 | I prefer this one to irfanview |
| 23:27:08 | Olof | toffe82: do you use nconvert? |
| 23:27:16 | Olof | Come to discover NConvert, a batch utility to convert graphic files! Support of more than 400 graphics formats! |
| 23:27:28 | Olof | toffe82: http://pagesperso-orange.fr/pierre.g/xnview/en_nconvert.html |
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| 23:27:59 | toffe82 | Olof: I did everything form the interface |
| 23:28:06 | Olof | ok |
| 23:28:52 | toffe82 | Olof: first search the files you want to convert, then select then all and then in tools, select batch conversion |
| 23:29:17 | Olof | toffe82: ok, ill try the nconvert first and if it doesnt work ill download xnview |
| 23:29:24 | toffe82 | don't forget to select resize in the transformation |
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| 23:34:17 | Olof | toffe82: ahh, it worked :) |
| 23:34:58 | Olof | toffe82: i got my hi-quality covers named front.jpg and low-quality cover.jpg |
| 23:35:10 | Olof | know any solution within xnview to rename them all to cover.bmp |
| 23:35:18 | Olof | otherwise i can just use another program for that |
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| 23:45:48 | preglow | and stereo support |
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| 23:54:14 | toffe82 | Olof: I tried but did find so I used an external prog |
| 23:55:04 | Olof | toffe82: okey, thanks |
| 23:55:11 | Olof | im converting my whole collection now |
| 23:55:17 | Olof | 60% done, 2800images.. ^^ |
| 23:55:19 | toffe82 | Olof: or perhaps making a conversion and changing the name of the output file |
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| 23:55:44 | toffe82 | Olof: I transform mine from folder.jpg to cover.bmp |
| 23:55:54 | Olof | with what application? |
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| 23:56:59 | toffe82 | Olof: sorry I convert the image from within xnview and then rename with lupas rename software |
| 23:57:06 | Olof | okey |
| 23:58:20 | toffe82 | Olof: but I think you can change the output name when convert in xnview |
| 23:58:55 | Olof | toffe82: im not sure its possible for me |
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