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| 00:24:55 | pixelma | alright, I'd need some native English speaker help for our manual. Currently some things to pay attention to before attempting the install ended up in the "manual installation" paragraph and I'd like to move them up above the "automatic installation" part and maybe give it an own headline. |
| 00:24:55 | * | preglow has gingerbread dough :> |
| 00:24:55 | Bagder | yay |
| 00:24:55 | preglow | yay indeed |
| 00:25:05 | preglow | i wonder how much of it will make it to the refridgerator |
| 00:25:06 | pixelma | the only headline I could think of was "Precautions" but we already have "Prerequisites"... someone have a better idea? |
| 00:26:39 | scorche|w | Notices? |
| 00:27:17 | preglow | precautions sounds more like something you need to read than prerequisites, though |
| 00:28:20 | pixelma | our "prerequisites" talk about what a zip utility is though |
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| 00:29:43 | scorche|w | i would think that would go under a sort of "tools for the job" thing |
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| 00:29:48 | pixelma | the things that I find currently missing is things like macpods, MSC/UMS mode, running the installation tool with administrative rights and so on |
| 00:30:21 | pixelma | they are only "notes" and "warnings" in the manual installation part |
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| 00:33:11 | pixelma | "Notices" sound quite ok, I think - will use that for now. I mean it's not like it couldn't be improved later, at least the important information is at a better spot. |
| 00:34:26 | scorche|w | maybe separate it out into "prerequisite information/knowledge" and "prequisite tools"? |
| 00:35:06 | scorche|w | "things you should know" and "things you should have" ? |
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| 00:39:48 | pixelma | hmm... just checked back "Prerequisites" is chapter 2.2 in the manual, "Installating Rockbox" is 2.3 but starts with 2.3.1 "Automated Installation" immediately. Maybe I could just put it between the two headlines? |
| 00:40:00 | pixelma | *Installing |
| 00:40:39 | preglow | wasn't there some talk of a restructuring of the manual? |
| 00:43:08 | pixelma | yes, I think it was started in a ml and got an on wiki (ManualStructureTalk) but I admit that I didn't follow it much. No change since devcon , too. |
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| 00:48:40 | preglow | the layout as proposed there looks pretty good |
| 00:49:42 | preglow | but the manual really isn't bad as it is, either |
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| 00:59:09 | pixelma | it's a bit outdated and missing some new features. In some areas more than in others... |
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| 01:00:39 | preglow | hrm |
| 01:00:58 | preglow | the cutoff frequency for peaking filters is called "cutoff freq" in the grapic screen, and "center freq" in the advanced screen |
| 01:01:04 | preglow | i wish we could get rid of those menus... |
| 01:01:23 | safetydan | adding talk support is next on my list :) |
| 01:02:16 | mroc | I have a quick question about the "itdb2tc" tool. "This tool needs updating after Tag Cache was renamed Database" is written near the top of the page. Is this tool still functional with a current build for iPod Video or is there an updated/renamed version that I'm not finding? (Or is there not currently a functional tool to do the iTunesDB => Rockbox database conversion?) |
| 01:02:18 | pixelma | I wished that the graphical eq screen was fully visible on my c200 ;) (not that I happen to look at it often though...) |
| 01:02:37 | safetydan | pixelma: there's a patch in the tracker that gets it most of the way there |
| 01:02:46 | preglow | safetydan: for the current screen or a new one? :> |
| 01:03:27 | safetydan | preglow: current. A new design will take more thinking than I've got to give right now. Though if you're good... :) |
| 01:03:50 | Bagder | mroc: I don't think anyone really knows |
| 01:04:01 | preglow | safetydan: well, i can't think of anything better than i've mentioned in the past |
| 01:04:28 | mroc | Bagder: haha, ok then. thanks. |
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| 01:06:14 | krazykit | mroc, why would you use a tool when Rockbox will generate the database for you, no problem? |
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| 01:07:46 | slavik | hey, question |
| 01:07:56 | mroc | krazykit: maybe i'm confused then....my understanding from reading the manual/faq was that Rockbox couldn't make use of the existing files without converting the iTunes db to Rockbox db |
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| 01:08:17 | krazykit | mroc, you just need to initialize the DB and everything will be taken care of for you |
| 01:08:31 | slavik | about the itunesdb tool, does it make it so that playlists show up with the correct names? and what about in the file view, will the song titles show? |
| 01:09:13 | ajay | can anyone tell me if ipodpatcher and bootloader for ipod 1G are still in SVN? when I try to install, I get a "No Ipods found" error. |
| 01:09:43 | mroc | krazykit: ok, i'll do that then. i must have misunderstood. thanks for you help. |
| 01:10:45 | preglow | hrmf |
| 01:10:53 | preglow | i almost wish we didn't split lines in the manual |
| 01:11:04 | preglow | it's so bloody boring to reformat blocks of text when you introduce changes |
| 01:11:11 | slavik | anyone? |
| 01:11:20 | krazykit | slavik, no and no. |
| 01:11:34 | krazykit | it sounds like the tool doesn't even work anymore. |
| 01:11:48 | slavik | then there really isnt a point for the tool is there? |
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| 01:12:09 | slavik | if you can scan through the ipod folder anyway |
| 01:12:50 | krazykit | slavik, it might be useful if someone ever had the mind to update it and make it read out playlists and such. |
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| 01:13:06 | slavik | hah, yea |
| 01:13:35 | slavik | someone should add some options that are in the database view and not in the file view |
| 01:13:57 | slavik | i ean |
| 01:13:57 | preglow | pixelma: how do we introduce abbreviations, just put them in () behind the word the abbreviate at the first use? |
| 01:13:58 | slavik | i mean |
| 01:14:03 | slavik | otherway around |
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| 01:15:37 | preglow | safetydan: for eq talk support, you'll ahve to add support for saying numbers with fractions in them |
| 01:18:27 | pixelma | preglow: sorry, I don't know. Not sure there even was a concensus... |
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| 01:21:31 | preglow | pixelma: well, i'll just do that now, then |
| 01:21:38 | preglow | we suddenly just use EQ with no ado |
| 01:21:51 | preglow | i'm shortening the eq section a bit |
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| 01:24:37 | preglow | is it rockbox' or rockbox's ? |
| 01:25:41 | krazykit | the latter |
| 01:26:17 | preglow | sure? |
| 01:26:37 | preglow | that sucks, i've always used the former :/ |
| 01:27:06 | preglow | make: /home/thomj/proj/rockbox/manual/platform/mkinfo.pl: Command not found |
| 01:27:06 | preglow | wtf |
| 01:27:25 | krazykit | pretty sure you only do a single apostrophe after an s. |
| 01:27:58 | preglow | okies |
| 01:28:20 | pixelma | preglow: you can ignore that |
| 01:28:33 | preglow | pixelma: yeah, but what is it? |
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| 01:29:20 | preglow | hmm, i don't like that huge eq table |
| 01:29:25 | preglow | it leaves a big hole in the previous page |
| 01:29:30 | preglow | since it obviously can't be broken |
| 01:29:37 | pixelma | it's a bug introduced with the rockbox-info.txt - and not excluding it correctly from manual configured builds, or so |
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| 01:30:25 | preglow | i wonder if 'description' environment can't be used instead |
| 01:31:48 | safetydan | preglow: hrm, that's a point. Has anyone done thinking on how best to do that? For English it might be easy "11 point 5 decibels" but other languages? |
| 01:32:19 | preglow | safetydan: we have other problems like that for other languages, just be english-centric for now |
| 01:32:31 | preglow | you're not breaking anything that's not already broken |
| 01:32:36 | safetydan | true |
| 01:32:58 | pixelma | usually it worked when using "make manual" but last week I tried and for some reason "make manual" bailed out and claimed it was some latex syntax error - the simple "make" when configured for manual did not have a problem with |
| 01:33:04 | preglow | hmm |
| 01:33:15 | preglow | i think the description environment works ok for the eq table |
| 01:33:23 | preglow | anyone opposed to me changing it? i don't like to waste space |
| 01:33:34 | preglow | i could post a patch |
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| 01:37:38 | preglow | man, ubuntu really dislikes that ":" in the manual filename |
| 01:37:56 | safetydan | Ubuntu or Gnome? |
| 01:38:08 | preglow | bash, really |
| 01:38:16 | preglow | www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/rockbox.pdf |
| 01:38:22 | preglow | how about that eq section? |
| 01:39:40 | safetydan | Should really rename Band 0 to Band 1 for users. Most normal people don't count from zero. |
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| 01:39:58 | * | pixelma should install a newer Adobe Reader... |
| 01:40:04 | safetydan | hrm, and Hi Shelf should be High Shelf |
| 01:40:08 | preglow | safetydan: yes, i agree fully |
| 01:40:10 | preglow | safetydan: fixed locally |
| 01:40:14 | preglow | the hi shelf, that is |
| 01:40:29 | preglow | but this is ok in comparison with the old table? |
| 01:40:39 | preglow | this can be broken across pages and doesn't waste space |
| 01:42:30 | safetydan | preglow: yeah I think that's much better |
| 01:42:39 | * | preglow likes manual work |
| 01:45:47 | * | safetydan wishes more devs did some manual work |
| 01:45:56 | safetydan | I'm guilty of skipping it myself though |
| 01:46:24 | preglow | i usually document my stuff, but i don't do too many new features |
| 01:46:25 | * | amiconn wonders which lossy audio format yields the smallest possible files for transparent quality (i.e. comparable to lame 3.97 −−preset standard) |
| 01:46:41 | preglow | aac or vorbis, i'm quite sure |
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| 01:47:03 | preglow | at least that's pretty much what the hydrogenaudio blind tests end up with |
| 01:47:26 | preglow | but not by much, lame is a very mature encoder |
| 01:47:32 | amiconn | Really? I only found some oldish tests, and there it was musepack |
| 01:47:45 | preglow | vorbis and aac only beat mp3 well at lower bitrates |
| 01:48:01 | preglow | amiconn: i don't think musepack performs so well compared to them anymore, but i might be wrong |
| 01:48:01 | amiconn | For lower bitrates, the differences between formats seem to become more apparent than in the transparent quality range |
| 01:48:21 | preglow | amiconn: i plan to do my own tests when i'm finished ripping my cd collection to lossless formats |
| 01:48:51 | preglow | musepack sv8 is on its way, and that should make even smaller files, though not by much |
| 01:49:06 | preglow | psymodel is pretty much unchanged |
| 01:49:23 | amiconn | There are some hints which suggest that lame −−preset standard, vorbis -q 6 and musepack -standard should be roughly equal in quality |
| 01:49:33 | preglow | amiconn: but yeah, like you say, in the transparent range, things are very equal |
| 01:50:21 | amiconn | The vorbis website doesn't seem to state a version number at all |
| 01:50:47 | amiconn | So I cannot know whether the version used in the test is way outdated or not |
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| 01:52:41 | preglow | amiconn: for vorbis, i'm pretty sure the aotuv encoder is the way to go |
| 01:52:53 | amiconn | The what? |
| 01:52:57 | preglow | the what i said :) |
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| 01:53:01 | preglow | google |
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| 01:53:30 | preglow | all new vorbis development and tuning is done by a japanese guy right now |
| 01:53:35 | preglow | his stuff usually gets merged after a while |
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| 01:54:01 | mokkurkalve | I'm using Vorbis now but I'm wondering going back to Musepack for longer battery life |
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| 01:54:26 | krazykit | mokkurkalve, is the difference noticable in battery life? |
| 01:54:29 | preglow | yeah, the mpc decoder is really fast |
| 01:54:54 | mokkurkalve | boost 0% to Vorbis 10-18% |
| 01:55:39 | Shaid | this is why I like and use FLAC |
| 01:55:47 | Shaid | though having the 80g ipod helps there |
| 01:56:16 | krazykit | Shaid, 'cept the disk spins up more often. |
| 01:56:22 | mokkurkalve | Lossless i big foe DAP and transparency is good enough for me |
| 01:56:43 | Shaid | there's usually a downside to everything, krazykit. |
| 01:56:59 | mokkurkalve | preglow: Long time since Monty merged in any aoutv stuff.... |
| 01:57:15 | amiconn | FLAC is nice if you have the diskspace |
| 01:57:20 | mokkurkalve | aotuv |
| 01:57:24 | * | amiconn uses flac on his H180 |
| 01:57:56 | preglow | mokkurkalve: i know, but he has, and he will, unless he's daft or something |
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| 01:58:05 | preglow | aoyumi does nice work |
| 01:58:10 | chris06 | hello there |
| 01:58:25 | chris06 | have a quick tech question if you guys dont mind. |
| 01:58:27 | lostlogic | and I got yelled at when I first added a flag to incorporate his patches into the gentoo vorbis ebuild. |
| 01:58:28 | preglow | go ahead |
| 01:58:35 | lostlogic | (re aotuv) |
| 01:58:38 | preglow | lostlogic: yelled at for adding a flag? |
| 01:58:40 | preglow | sounds bitchy |
| 01:58:44 | mokkurkalve | amiconn: You got the MK8007GAH? |
| 01:58:52 | amiconn | yup |
| 01:59:06 | krazykit | how much did that run you, if you don't mind my asking? |
| 01:59:10 | lostlogic | preglow: they're kinda bitchy nowadays, I suppose that's also how I ended up losing my commit rights ;) |
| 01:59:10 | mokkurkalve | amiconn: cost you an arm? |
| 01:59:20 | amiconn | Not really |
| 01:59:23 | preglow | pixelma: we only use \setting{} for actual settings, right? not setting values? |
| 01:59:30 | preglow | lostlogic: haha |
| 01:59:40 | preglow | i haven't used gentoo for years |
| 01:59:47 | amiconn | ~EUR 160 including shipping (from ebay.de, a year ago or so) |
| 01:59:59 | chris06 | i loaded some new themes and loaded the wps files for the playback screen but it wont change any idea how to fix it? |
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| 02:00:29 | pixelma | preglow: afaics, yes |
| 02:01:16 | mokkurkalve | I've been searching but I can't find anyone willing to ship it to Europe.... |
| 02:01:49 | chris06 | its the aurora black in particular that wont work. |
| 02:02:43 | preglow | what's the biggest disk i can stuff in a h120? |
| 02:02:47 | preglow | 60 gigs? |
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| 02:03:13 | mokkurkalve | Anyone knows when Musepack sv8 support will come to RB - or a qualified guess I mean....? |
| 02:03:52 | mokkurkalve | I would have liked MK8007GAH for my H340..... |
| 02:03:59 | chris06 | the rockvista and aurora wont load their wps correctly anyone know of a way to fix this? |
| 02:04:08 | preglow | mokkurkalve: sure |
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| 02:04:26 | preglow | mokkurkalve: i'm just waiting for them to release it or something |
| 02:04:39 | preglow | when, i don't know |
| 02:04:45 | preglow | when i have time or someone else does it first :> |
| 02:05:05 | pixelma | preglow: I'm only aware of 40GBs single platter with the right connector that were available |
| 02:05:23 | preglow | pixelma: i don't think i dare open my h120 another time anyway, it's getting pretty shabby :) |
| 02:05:27 | pixelma | or was it 50? |
| 02:05:28 | mokkurkalve | preglow: Yes no point in putting it into RB till they made a stable release I guess... |
| 02:05:39 | preglow | mokkurkalve: sure there'd be a point, but i can't be bothered until then |
| 02:05:50 | preglow | just to minimize the work i have to do |
| 02:06:01 | mokkurkalve | sure |
| 02:06:06 | preglow | i don't think any of the musepack guys own any rockbox targets, which sucks |
| 02:06:29 | pixelma | wasn't Buschel a musepack guy? ;) |
| 02:06:32 | preglow | one of the original musepack creators does hang around here, though, but he hasn't expressed any interest in doing the actual sync |
| 02:06:35 | preglow | heh |
| 02:06:37 | preglow | pixelma: yeah, him :) |
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| 02:07:58 | mokkurkalve | Andree Buschmann or something... Yes he had the format ages ago, then Frank Klemm took over, and now it's the "Musepack team" |
| 02:09:18 | preglow | i'd love a target with lots of storage |
| 02:09:19 | preglow | hrm |
| 02:09:51 | preglow | and i want a gigabeat s, but i can only find the 30 gig variety |
| 02:10:02 | preglow | upgrading only ten gigs sucks |
| 02:10:13 | pixelma | chris06: the themes you are trying probably need patches (or an unsupported build that include those). Or they need to be updated. |
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| 02:15:33 | PaulPosition | That pictureflow gadget looks nice :D Unfortunately, it gives me a Data Abor when it gets to finishing building its cache. |
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| 02:16:53 | PaulPosition | ..and the build's rockbox.map isn't much helpfull as it seems to imply the error is in buffering (I'm not playing any song when I try to load the plugin) |
| 02:17:19 | preglow | pictureflow uses the buffering api, afaik |
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| 02:17:53 | mokkurkalve | I have a e280 also - it seems to me the FM is more noisy in RB compared to OF (unlike on my H340 - aware they have completely different radio chips) - anybody else notice this? Is it a driver issue, or some noise cancelling DSP stuff or...??? |
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| 02:19:44 | preglow | might be both, but i doubt it's the latter |
| 02:19:53 | preglow | more than enough of other issues |
| 02:20:24 | preglow | amiconn: what's our position on the archos replaygain patch? |
| 02:22:19 | pixelma | mokkurkalve: on the c200 (which I think uses the same tuner chip) the radio is quite unstable. Wouldn't make me wonder if there are some driver issues still that apply to the e200 too |
| 02:23:14 | Nico_P | PaulPosition: it's interesting that PF causes buffering crashes for you... I'll have to check that out. wat player are you using? |
| 02:25:34 | PaulPosition | Nico_P H10 5gb.. Upon further investigation I can say that 60x60 cover.bmp files went alright. The cover.100x100.bmp files however crashed it. |
| 02:26:03 | Nico_P | strange |
| 02:26:03 | PaulPosition | I'm going to remove the 60 pixel ones and batch convert again to an other size and see.. |
| 02:26:41 | Nico_P | about how many covers do you have? |
| 02:27:19 | PaulPosition | Around 50-55 I think. |
| 02:28:13 | PaulPosition | 56 exactly |
| 02:28:35 | Nico_P | yeah so not too much, shouldn't be a problem |
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| 02:39:10 | PaulPosition | Nico_P - Hah, that's a weird one.. After the last try (100 x 100 but named cover.bmp) the player crashed with the same data abort error, but on restarting it this time it didn't rebuild cache (prepare art) but shown me a few 100x100 albums together with the 60x60 ones that worked previously. |
| 02:39:57 | Nico_P | wow weird indeed |
| 02:40:35 | * | Nico_P needs to be off to bed |
| 02:40:48 | PaulPosition | Heh, good night then. :) |
| 02:40:59 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
| 02:41:11 | PaulPosition | I'll probably pass by tomorrow and tell you if I find something about my problem. |
| 02:41:29 | Nico_P | ok, sounds good |
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| 02:55:24 | Herky140 | can anyone help me with a problem involving the evilg fusion build for a 5g 30gb ipod? |
| 02:56:06 | safetydan | Herky140: only the official Rockbox build is supported here. If you can reproduce the problem with a current build, then we can talk. |
| 02:56:20 | Herky140 | do you know who I can contact? |
| 02:56:44 | Herky140 | The official build works perfectly, by the way. |
| 02:58:13 | safetydan | Herky140: there may be a forum post in the unsupported builds section that you can ask for help |
| 02:58:29 | Herky140 | okay. thank you! |
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| 03:44:16 | countrymonkey | Hey tom, I didn't know you spoke norsk. |
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| 03:45:15 | countrymonkey | and the spanish translation is going to get an update on monday since my spanish-speaking friend is going to be bored out of his wits over the weekend. |
| 03:46:45 | psycho_maniac | glad to hear it. |
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| 03:57:35 | countrymonkey | I asked him to translate word-for-word if he had trouble translating the whole phrase. Is this correct? |
| 03:59:12 | countrymonkey | and the friend said that he wanted to be a regular translator. I will be putting the translations into the .lang file and diffing it. He will just translate it (he doesn't want to deal with the lang file). |
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| 04:03:47 | Llorean | countrymonkey: Generally it's more important to make sure people can understand what the phrase means. If he doesn't understand it, translating word for word is likely to make it harder for other people to understand too. |
| 04:03:57 | Llorean | Otherwise we could just use automated translation for all untranslated strings. |
| 04:04:54 | countrymonkey | Hey! That would be a good idea. Anyway, he is adept at both languages and he sais it will be a piece of cake. But why wouldn't we do auto-translation. |
| 04:05:18 | psycho_maniac | because sometimes the translation is wrong? |
| 04:06:08 | countrymonkey | Not for short strings. I have experience. I translate a news article, it's hard to understand. I translate short phrases, it's like human translation. |
| 04:10:19 | Llorean | Not as much with technical terms. |
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| 04:13:41 | Llorean | The problem is avoiding significant mistakes. To do so, you'd need to have someone who understands the language read through the whole automatic translation and make sure each of the strings is acceptable. At which point, why don't they just translate? |
| 04:14:13 | countrymonkey | Is this a deal or no deal? (yes I watch that show) |
| 04:14:45 | Llorean | I have no idea what you mean by that. |
| 04:14:57 | countrymonkey | I mean is this a go or a no? |
| 04:15:09 | Llorean | As i said, automatic translation is bad. |
| 04:15:59 | psycho_maniac | it could probably be a go if your friend is very good with the translation himself. as you said he is? |
| 04:16:16 | countrymonkey | Then how did I crank good translation out of it? (I had to speak to someone that didn't speak english, chinese or japanese) |
| 04:17:20 | countrymonkey | and yes, he is native to spanish and he has people to help him if he is stuck |
| 04:17:53 | Llorean | countrymonkey: It's not 100% bad, but the problem is that it's sometimes bad, and moreso with technical terms. And a bad native string is worse than just the English string. |
| 04:18:24 | countrymonkey | yes. And would a japanese voice ui benefite anyone? (I am working on one) |
| 04:22:19 | krazykit | countrymonkey, it would probably help blind japanese users. |
| 04:22:51 | countrymonkey | So, you are saying, keep it up? |
| 04:23:23 | countrymonkey | And, why has nobody looked at 8132? |
| 04:23:24 | psycho_maniac | if people dont say keep it up. i still think its a good idea to work on stuff. one day it will help some people. |
| 04:25:16 | Llorean | countrymonkey: Because people all work on different things. |
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| 04:25:24 | Llorean | NOBODY gets paid for this, so people are using their spare time |
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| 04:25:45 | Llorean | Making the language files smaller is a pretty minor patch, in terms of any benefits from it. |
| 04:26:11 | countrymonkey | I am still confusing this and making assumptions that refer to proprietary software *sigh* |
| 04:27:02 | Llorean | I mean it's essentially a cosmetic patch anyway |
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| 04:29:28 | countrymonkey | and what is wrong with 6360 and why was it closed? |
| 04:30:13 | Llorean | It's a fake language? |
| 04:30:35 | psycho_maniac | but the lag file is still on the wiki |
| 04:30:42 | psycho_maniac | so you can get it there if you want it |
| 04:31:35 | krazykit | countrymonkey, so she would translate rockbox to Klingon and Elvish, too, if you're going to have Swedish Chef -speak? |
| 04:31:38 | countrymonkey | It looks real to me. How is it fake? |
| 04:31:41 | krazykit | er, should we |
| 04:32:07 | krazykit | countrymonkey, the textfilter is from the way the Swedish Chef spoke on the Muppet Show. it's not a real language. |
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| 04:34:59 | psycho_maniac | What folders can I delete from my sansa e260? I have MUSIC, PHOTO, PICTURES, PLAYLISTS, RECORD, VIDEO, tmp, AND SYSTEM. |
| 04:35:23 | countrymonkey | Thanks. I don't watch the muppet show so I don't get it until now. |
| 04:36:59 | krazykit | psycho_maniac, the OF will recreate everything, but you should keep SYSTEM to be safe |
| 04:37:32 | psycho_maniac | even if i just shut the player off and plug in the player? |
| 04:37:50 | krazykit | if you boot into the OF, it will recreate the files |
| 04:38:25 | psycho_maniac | im gonna try not to do that. |
| 04:39:22 | Mouser_X | Heh. It'd be awesome to hear Rockbox speaking that though... |
| 04:39:37 | Mouser_X | Even if it made no sense. |
| 04:39:53 | psycho_maniac | bork bork? |
| 04:39:56 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 04:40:04 | psycho_maniac | that WOULD be cool |
| 04:40:40 | psycho_maniac | reminds me of the recent snl skit they had about the swedish chef |
| 04:40:46 | Mouser_X | I wouldn't mind having Klingon for that matter. Though, I'd almost never use it... |
| 04:41:41 | psycho_maniac | since google has funny translations would be cool if they had those. i know they only have l33t i think |
| 04:42:23 | Mouser_X | Question for devs: So, when the "repeat 1" mode is on, I can't skip to the next song in the playlist. If were inclined to fix this (allow skipping to previous/next track while repeat 1 is on), what source files would I look at to see about doing that? |
| 04:42:39 | countrymonkey | Hey. If I added a voice ui to bork bork bork and updated it (not that I can find those filters on the net), do you all think anyone would use it?\ |
| 04:42:48 | Mouser_X | Ugh... 1337 speak in Rockbox would suck hard... |
| 04:43:08 | Mouser_X | countrymonkey: I might just for kicks and giggles. |
| 04:43:10 | psycho_maniac | countrymonkey: if not you could add it to the funnylangs wiki page? |
| 04:43:20 | countrymonkey | And what is this thing about funny language filters in google? |
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| 04:43:25 | Mouser_X | I didn't know that page existed... |
| 04:43:28 | * | Mouser_X looks it up. |
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| 04:44:31 | psycho_maniac | saw it once on the frong page. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FunnyLangs |
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| 04:50:03 | countrymonkey | I want to know more about where that bork bork bork translation came from. |
| 04:50:39 | psycho_maniac | wikipedia or google should tell you unless you mean the actual translation file |
| 04:51:00 | Llorean | If you mean "where does the language itself come from", here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo |
| 04:51:04 | countrymonkey | I mean the freqin filter. I tried google. |
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| 04:59:53 | countrymonkey | Mand what's 1337 speak. The only weird language I know is pig latin and I am adept at translating it (it's simple) |
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| 05:01:10 | countrymonkey | And I could do musicspeak (skipping Rs doubling consonants basicly what you do when you sing words) |
| 05:01:33 | krazykit | nobody will use them. why would you add useless languages? |
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| 05:02:48 | Mouser_X | countrymonkey: 1337 = LEET speak = crap talk. |
| 05:03:27 | safetydan | 1337 = leet = elite which has it's origins way back in the mists of computing, piracy, and demo coding |
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| 05:04:34 | safetydan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet has more than you'd ever want to know |
| 05:08:27 | countrymonkey | Thanks. You've got my mind set on creating a pig latin translation since I will be bored over xmas. |
| 05:13:42 | countrymonkey | And speaking of languages, are human voices buildable or do you have to use synthesisers? |
| 05:15:06 | safetydan | countrymonkey: it's possible to generate the voice clips from recordings of a human voice |
| 05:15:24 | safetydan | see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding#Human_Voices_under_Windows |
| 05:15:46 | safetydan | no idea if that still works though |
| 05:16:45 | countrymonkey | It probably doesn't because spx codecs are impossible to find. |
| 05:17:13 | Llorean | no, they aren't |
| 05:18:04 | Llorean | Instead of "run lame on all the clips" you just run rbspeexenc on all the clips. |
| 05:18:15 | countrymonkey | LLorean, I found foobar2000 but the command line converter is a different story. I think it was you who told me about it. |
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| 05:22:13 | countrymonkey | Is rockbox suitable for helping me practice my choir music? |
| 05:23:20 | Llorean | Isn't that something you kinda have to decide? |
| 05:25:06 | countrymonkey | I'm just unsure. And I posted to the wrong irc channel. I have 2 clients open, sorry. |
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| 05:28:01 | psycho_maniac | if your unsure then how would we know? |
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| 05:45:09 | krazykit | psycho_maniac, there aren't enough lcd brightness modes (hardware) for it to not look crappy |
| 05:48:23 | * | psycho_maniac would rather see Cabbie as the default thme for rockbox, but i guess that theme lost interest. |
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| 09:20:04 | RockShox | im trying to figure out how the sansa e200 senses its docked, to enable the connector line out |
| 09:20:35 | GodEater_ | good luck with that :) |
| 09:20:37 | RockShox | seems like its enabled by default with rockbox so maybe no one knows yet |
| 09:21:26 | Bagder | checked fs8305? |
| 09:21:52 | RockShox | whats that |
| 09:22:07 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8305 |
| 09:22:33 | Bagder | sounds like what you're after, but for the c200 |
| 09:22:52 | RockShox | well its more of a hardware question than software |
| 09:23:03 | RockShox | i want to make my own "dock" |
| 09:23:21 | Bagder | ok, then I'll switch to "good luck with that" as well ;-) |
| 09:24:17 | RockShox | it says its not a perfect patch |
| 09:24:21 | RockShox | but i dont see a patch at all |
| 09:24:38 | Bagder | heh, not me either |
| 09:25:01 | RockShox | oh hes doing it based on charger |
| 09:25:08 | RockShox | theres got to be something else |
| 09:25:19 | RockShox | probably just pull a pin high |
| 09:25:45 | RockShox | the factory firmware has the headphone jack enabled while charging |
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| 09:35:09 | vaginamissle | what is the best xvid avi to rvf convertor or is that even possible? |
| 09:35:49 | safetydan_ | any particular reason you want rvf? |
| 09:36:04 | vaginamissle | no i mean i have an ipod 5g can it just play it? |
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| 09:36:12 | vaginamissle | last time i used rockbox there was no video support to speak of |
| 09:36:36 | safetydan_ | read this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 09:36:47 | vaginamissle | ty |
| 09:36:50 | safetydan_ | basically rockbox can play mpeg1 and mpeg2 videos |
| 09:36:59 | safetydan_ | you'll need to convert your videos to one of those formats |
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| 09:56:13 | jmspeex | Quick question, is the firmware typically directly in the same partition as the music? i.e. do I risk bricking my unit if I do an fsck? (it's not rockbox I have atm, but I thought someone here would have the knowledge) |
| 09:57:20 | Zagor | typically the file systems are real, so a fsck should not hurt |
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| 10:05:47 | jmspeex | Zagor: "real"? |
| 10:06:25 | markun | jmspeex: which player do you have? |
| 10:06:34 | jmspeex | iaudio 7 |
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| 10:06:57 | markun | planning to port rockbox to it? :) |
| 10:06:59 | jmspeex | I accidently unplugged it while mounted and now the fs is corrupted |
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| 10:07:43 | jmspeex | markun: No, it was the only 16GB flash player that supports Ogg. Planning on eventually installing rockbox what it's stable |
| 10:08:10 | Zagor | jmspeex: the only way a fsck would break a filesystem is if the fs is bogus somehow with holy sections or some such |
| 10:08:50 | phr | jmspeex, the frontier lab nexblack supports ogg |
| 10:08:57 | jmspeex | I'm mostly concerned about damaging firmware and bricking the unit |
| 10:10:30 | jmspeex | great. fsck.vfat segfaults! |
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| 10:33:31 | #>> | "explain MoB" by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) |
| 10:34:41 | petur | woha |
| 10:35:15 | petur | logbot explain life, the universe and everything else |
| 10:35:35 | LinusN | logbot explain Rockbox |
| 10:35:43 | Zagor | yeah I figured we could use him to do some faq-answering |
| 10:35:45 | phr | who's hacking that mob thing? |
| 10:35:58 | Zagor | and a few other nifty things |
| 10:36:18 | * | petur feeds 42 into logbot answer list |
| 10:36:36 | Zagor | I need to add y'all so you can send "expadd" commands to tech it things |
| 10:36:54 | petur | heh |
| 10:37:14 | petur | let the fun begin :) |
| 10:37:25 | petur | logbot explain Zagor |
| 10:38:13 | Zagor | nobody except me can do anything with it yet. and when you can, please play around with private messages so we don't flood the log with testing |
| 10:43:23 | advcomp2019 | it came here as a notice if you wanted to know |
| 10:43:48 | Zagor | advcomp2019: the explanation? |
| 10:45:05 | advcomp2019 | Zagor, it came here like it used the /notice command |
| 10:45:30 | Zagor | advcomp2019: yes it does that to prevent auto-responses |
| 10:45:47 | Zagor | could cause nasty loops otherwise |
| 10:45:52 | Bagder | "I can hear the distortion that comes from compression" ... |
| 10:45:59 | Bagder | yeah right ;-) |
| 10:46:16 | * | Bagder reads forum |
| 10:46:29 | advcomp2019 | Zagor, i see now that is understandable now |
| 10:46:30 | phr | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211244 woo hoo |
| 10:46:48 | petur | whoa |
| 10:47:27 | petur | bah, out of stock... |
| 10:47:36 | phr | yeah they'll prob have more soon |
| 10:47:44 | phr | i just placed an order with them today before i noticed that |
| 10:47:48 | phr | i wonder if they had some earlier |
| 10:47:53 | phr | apparently they showed up a few days ago |
| 10:47:57 | petur | and no speed spec.... |
| 10:48:15 | phr | there is also this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211245 |
| 10:48:20 | Zagor | well it does say "out of stock" |
| 10:48:28 | phr | their "speedy" line is dog slow, but heck it's for audio, slow is ok ;) |
| 10:50:51 | phr | zagor, yeah, something new like that shows up, it sells out after a while and they order more. i doubt there's a big shortage, they prob just placed a small order at first to gauge sales rate |
| 10:50:55 | phr | cf is sort of dying |
| 10:51:02 | phr | 16gb sdhc has been around for a while |
| 10:52:41 | phr | i bet they could make 64gb cf right now if they wanted |
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| 11:13:47 | jmspeex | Can anyone help me fix that vfat fs? |
| 11:14:42 | jmspeex | fsck.vfat on a second machine just tells me there's too many errors and won't do anything... while the windows fsck tells me there's no error (despite not being able to remove some folders) |
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| 11:15:09 | petur | you did chkdsk /f on windows? |
| 11:17:04 | jmspeex | petur: No, I used the right click on the disk and then selected "check filesystem" or something. No idea what that does exactly |
| 11:17:08 | jmspeex | (I'm not a Windows user) |
| 11:17:35 | jmspeex | does chdsk /f do something different? |
| 11:17:44 | petur | open a commandline box and type chkdsk x: /f (X = drive) |
| 11:17:54 | petur | it gives more verbose output |
| 11:18:09 | jmspeex | let me reboot that machine... |
| 11:18:11 | petur | start->run 'cmd' |
| 11:18:15 | jmspeex | is there any risk of bricking the unit? |
| 11:18:29 | petur | you can run it without the /f first |
| 11:18:36 | jmspeex | what's /f |
| 11:18:42 | petur | hat will not fix, only report |
| 11:18:47 | petur | +t |
| 11:19:16 | petur | it only writes to the disk if you specify /f |
| 11:23:29 | pondlife | Message for Nico_P: I just had a case of the "playback stops and UI returns to browser at end of track" during playback of a long playlist. Pressing PLAY resumed just fine though. |
| 11:24:48 | jmspeex | petur: apparently, XP doesn't know about chdsk (or so it says) |
| 11:25:21 | Llorean | chkdsk? |
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| 11:26:00 | jmspeex | oops |
| 11:31:10 | jmspeex | without /f, it didn't do anything useful. Trying with /f now (it's taking much longer) |
| 11:32:34 | jmspeex | I already have one "recoverable error" in a folder... not good :-( |
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| 11:36:09 | jmspeex | petur: it appears to have worked. Thanks a lot |
| 11:37:28 | petur | not all of windows is bad ;) |
| 11:38:07 | jmspeex | haha. But if the fs was ext3, I wouldn't have had this problem in the first place! |
| 11:38:55 | petur | sure, only fat and ntfs filesystems can get corrupted? |
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| 11:42:07 | jmspeex | petur: ext3 is journaled and fsck.ext3 is very good. I never lost anything to an ext2/ext3 fs |
| 11:46:04 | petur | the only times I lost data on a disk were hardware issues, no filesystem would have helped there |
| 11:46:45 | jmspeex | well, I didn't include that... |
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| 12:06:01 | petur | the future looks HDD-less :) http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/12/13/tosh_sonos_flash/ |
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| 12:33:23 | preglow | jmspeex: gotten a player? |
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| 14:16:55 | preglow | jhMikeS: what fixed point format do you think would leave enough overhead? q24? |
| 14:17:05 | preglow | a bitch about emac and eq filters in that case, but |
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| 14:28:46 | Bug2000 | I am pretty sure it won't, but just in case I missed something. Will Rockbox work on generic MP4 players? |
| 14:29:02 | krazykit | no |
| 14:29:20 | krazykit | not unless someone ports them |
| 14:30:49 | preglow | rockbox only works on devices it's been ported to, you can't just run rockbox on something it's not designed to run on |
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| 14:31:24 | preglow | unlike computers, different mp3 players are all vastly different on the inside |
| 14:32:20 | Libor | hi, I have a problem with rockboy and pokemon, I want heal my pokemons, but It froze when nurse turn to computer, can someone help? |
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| 14:33:01 | preglow | ... |
| 14:33:37 | preglow | we don't really do game specific help here, sorry |
| 14:34:19 | Libor | k, np |
| 14:34:24 | Llorean | Libor: turn on sound |
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| 14:34:47 | Libor | I will try it |
| 14:34:52 | preglow | Llorean: never took you for an eager pokemon player :) |
| 14:35:01 | Llorean | preglow: It's come up in the forums a few times. |
| 14:35:05 | Llorean | Apparently it's an old gnuboy bug |
| 14:35:06 | preglow | right |
| 14:36:06 | Libor | It helps, thank Llorean very much |
| 14:37:07 | Bug2000 | preglow: Really? I thought all the generic ones are identical. |
| 14:37:27 | preglow | Bug2000: i doubt it, but don't really know. still doesn't help if rockbox doesn't run on that particular strain of hardware |
| 14:38:15 | Bug2000 | preglow: How do I port it? XD |
| 14:38:26 | preglow | Bug2000: reverse-engineering, inspecting hardware, and programming |
| 14:38:31 | preglow | nu tändas tusen juleljus! |
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| 14:39:15 | Bug2000 | preglow: Sounds like too much work. I guess I'll `live` with it [Didn't buy it yet. When I'll get one, I am so going to make sure it supports ogg and midi, else I'm gonna demand a refund]. |
| 14:39:30 | preglow | Bug2000: prepare to be refunded |
| 14:39:35 | preglow | Bug2000: i know of no players that support midi |
| 14:39:48 | Zagor | has anyone looked at this? http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPod/SBML/osx/bundles/061-3619.20070905.iNq3b/iPod_24.1.0.ipsw |
| 14:40:04 | preglow | Zagor: what is it+ |
| 14:40:06 | Llorean | preglow: Some of the chinese knockoffs claim to, I think |
| 14:40:07 | Zagor | it's claimed to be the ipodclassic firmware. and it sure contains a lot of ipod stuff. |
| 14:40:10 | Bug2000 | preglow: :( But Midi rocks! |
| 14:40:23 | preglow | Llorean: then i stand corrected |
| 14:40:27 | Zagor | I found the whole of ipodquiz at least |
| 14:40:33 | Zagor | plain text |
| 14:40:35 | rvvs89 | Bug2000: Music modules are better :P |
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| 14:40:41 | Llorean | preglow: That being said, I've seen them claim lots of things they don't actually *do* :) |
| 14:40:47 | preglow | Zagor: what about the main firmware... |
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| 14:41:04 | preglow | Llorean: nothing feels better than buying pure marketing |
| 14:41:15 | Zagor | preglow: it's a 87MB blob, so it contains a LOT of things. could be a full osx in there. |
| 14:41:27 | preglow | Zagor: sure it's not the ipod touch firmware? |
| 14:41:36 | preglow | don't think classic runs os x |
| 14:42:27 | Zagor | the touch firmware is at http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPod/SBML/osx/bundles/061-4036.20071107.9g3DF/iPod1,1_1.1.2_3B48b_Restore.ipsw and is even bigger |
| 14:42:37 | Bug2000 | rvvs89: What are those Music Modules that you speak of? |
| 14:42:41 | Zagor | the touch zip is 157MB |
| 14:43:04 | Zagor | containing one 125MB and two 18MB DMGs |
| 14:43:20 | Bug2000 | Llorean: Fireproff, most comman lie. |
| 14:43:27 | markun | Bug2000: which MP4 players were you interested in? |
| 14:43:46 | Bug2000 | markun: Generic stuff. |
| 14:44:18 | rvvs89 | Bug2000: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_file |
| 14:44:29 | rvvs89 | Bug2000: http://modarchive.org/ |
| 14:44:43 | markun | Bug2000: I was looking for MP4 players powered by the Blackfin CPU. This is what I found so far: http://130.89.160.166/blackfin-players.txt |
| 14:45:09 | petur | ah, mister blackfin ;) |
| 14:45:51 | Zagor | "Apple iPod S5L8702 Secure Boot" |
| 14:46:06 | preglow | ... |
| 14:46:28 | * | preglow closes his eyes on continues on his swedish christmas carols binge |
| 14:47:26 | Bug2000 | maraz_: Whats Blackfin? |
| 14:47:36 | Bug2000 | maraz_: What are the chances I'll find those in the local store? |
| 14:47:39 | petur | a processor family |
| 14:48:03 | petur | from analog devices |
| 14:48:12 | markun | Bug2000: talking to me? :) |
| 14:48:40 | Bug2000 | >.< |
| 14:48:42 | Bug2000 | Opss! |
| 14:48:48 | * | Bug2000 blames xchat's tab. |
| 14:49:11 | | Nick parafin|away is now known as parafin (i=parafin@paraf.in) |
| 14:50:20 | Zagor | kernelcache.release.s5l8900xrb |
| 14:50:28 | markun | preglow: ADI gave me this (still in transit) http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0,2877,BF548%252DHARDWARE,00.html |
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| 14:52:15 | petur | markun: what, for free? |
| 14:52:30 | petur | "The EZ-KIT Lite ships with a 4x4 Keypad, Optical Thumbwheel, QVGA Touch Screen LCD and a 40 Gigabyte Hard Drive." |
| 14:53:04 | markun | petur: I might have to pay some import taxes, but they tried to pay that for me as well |
| 14:53:16 | petur | nice |
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| 14:53:36 | * | markun has to go now |
| 14:53:41 | Bug2000 | markun: Well, ya, I talked to you. |
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| 14:54:11 | markun | Bug2000: not sure what the chances of finding them in local stores are |
| 14:54:18 | markun | they might be rebrnaded |
| 14:54:28 | Bug2000 | I.E. Hopeless. |
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| 14:54:54 | S0uL | hiho |
| 14:55:01 | S0uL | anybody german here? |
| 14:55:23 | Bug2000 | Thanks anyway. |
| 14:55:26 | * | Bug2000 goes away. |
| 14:55:28 | S0uL | ich brauche hilfe beim installieren |
| 14:55:39 | Bug2000 | S0uL: ENGLISH ONLY! |
| 14:55:41 | | Part Bug2000 ("Bug.In.Your.System") |
| 14:55:58 | petur | gone with a bang... |
| 14:55:58 | S0uL | alright.. |
| 14:56:00 | preglow | S0uL: if you want to speak german, you should wait for someone who does and talk to them privately |
| 14:56:12 | S0uL | no.. english should be ok aswell |
| 14:56:17 | preglow | S0uL: and yes, there are germans here, but i don't know if they are here right now, or if they're interested in helping you privately |
| 14:56:18 | S0uL | may you help me pls? |
| 14:56:26 | preglow | S0uL: then you shall have no problems :) just state what you're having trouble with |
| 14:56:34 | S0uL | ok |
| 14:56:34 | petur | explain manual |
| 14:56:34 | S0uL | .. |
| 14:56:48 | S0uL | I donŽt know how to install rockbox |
| 14:56:50 | S0uL | @ my ipod |
| 14:56:56 | S0uL | old version.. nano |
| 14:56:59 | petur | explain install |
| 14:57:00 | S0uL | vers. 1.0 |
| 14:57:04 | preglow | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 14:57:08 | preglow | check out the manual for your device |
| 14:57:20 | preglow | installation is pretty simple if you're lucky |
| 14:57:33 | S0uL | already done.. |
| 14:57:40 | preglow | and it didn't work out? |
| 14:57:44 | S0uL | IŽve already downloaded it.. |
| 14:57:48 | S0uL | but.. |
| 14:57:52 | S0uL | whatŽs the next step |
| 14:57:53 | S0uL | ? |
| 14:57:58 | preglow | reading it |
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| 14:58:40 | S0uL | hmm.. |
| 14:58:53 | S0uL | thereŽs no where explained how to install.. alright? |
| 14:58:58 | preglow | sure there is |
| 14:59:07 | preglow | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 14:59:13 | preglow | read that |
| 14:59:22 | S0uL | ohh yeah |
| 14:59:24 | S0uL | thx |
| 15:00 |
| 15:00:28 | S0uL | sounds quite easy^^ |
| 15:00:36 | preglow | well, like i said, it should be |
| 15:06:38 | S0uL | for what is the bootloader`? |
| 15:07:13 | preglow | it's the little piece of software we use to load rockbox |
| 15:07:42 | S0uL | do I have 2 install it on my ipod if I want to use rockbox? |
| 15:07:52 | preglow | oh yes |
| 15:08:14 | preglow | if you use rbutil, it should be easy |
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| 15:09:24 | preglow | just go to the "installation" tab and use "install the bootloader" |
| 15:09:33 | S0uL | i did |
| 15:09:38 | preglow | then you have it |
| 15:09:43 | S0uL | but i donŽt know if itŽs installed @ the ipod |
| 15:10:02 | preglow | have you pressed "install rockbox" too? |
| 15:10:20 | S0uL | while installing d bootloader? |
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| 15:10:23 | preglow | after |
| 15:10:30 | S0uL | i installed rb bevore |
| 15:10:31 | S0uL | before |
| 15:10:33 | S0uL | @ first |
| 15:10:39 | preglow | ok, then just disconnect your nano and try starting it |
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| 15:10:46 | S0uL | ok sec |
| 15:10:52 | S0uL | i installed the fonts |
| 15:10:55 | S0uL | aswell |
| 15:11:35 | S0uL | hmm |
| 15:11:41 | S0uL | just Apple OS.. is there |
| 15:11:42 | S0uL | :( |
| 15:12:11 | preglow | then you didn't install the bootloader |
| 15:12:12 | phr | anyone know where that page is with the hardware specs on all the players? i saw it before but can't find it now |
| 15:12:39 | S0uL | of course i did... |
| 15:12:40 | S0uL | hmm |
| 15:13:03 | preglow | S0uL: and you are _sure_ you have installed rockbox correctly? the bootloader will boot apple os if it can't find rockbox |
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| 15:13:21 | Llorean | preglow: I'm not sure if it does that reliably r ight now, actually |
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| 15:13:28 | preglow | Llorean: really? that sucks, why not? |
| 15:13:33 | Llorean | I dunno |
| 15:13:35 | preglow | Llorean: does ipodpatcher do a better job? |
| 15:13:58 | Llorean | All I know is people in the forums have reported their player freezing at "cannot find rockbox.ipod" |
| 15:14:03 | Llorean | Well 'freezing' |
| 15:14:04 | S0uL | i kopied.. the exe @ my ipod.. extracted it there... |
| 15:14:12 | S0uL | thatŽs the installation of rb |
| 15:14:22 | preglow | do we distribute an exe? |
| 15:14:30 | Llorean | ipodpatcher.exe? |
| 15:14:36 | S0uL | ähh |
| 15:14:39 | preglow | S0uL: what was the exe called? |
| 15:14:40 | S0uL | soorry zip |
| 15:14:44 | preglow | S0uL: ah, good |
| 15:14:53 | preglow | S0uL: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPatcher' |
| 15:14:59 | preglow | sorry, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPatcher |
| 15:15:06 | preglow | S0uL: download that exe and run it |
| 15:15:30 | S0uL | yes |
| 15:15:37 | S0uL | i and enter 2 install |
| 15:15:39 | S0uL | ok.. done |
| 15:15:40 | preglow | S0uL: preferably, run it in a command line windows |
| 15:15:45 | preglow | S0uL: that will tell you if something goes wrong |
| 15:16:12 | S0uL | sorry.. i donŽt know where the windows command line is^^ |
| 15:16:19 | S0uL | but i installed it |
| 15:16:20 | preglow | start -> run -> "cmd.exe" |
| 15:16:25 | preglow | S0uL: well, does it work now, then? |
| 15:16:34 | S0uL | now there is: press enter to exit ipodpatcher |
| 15:16:40 | S0uL | pressed enter.. |
| 15:16:41 | preglow | ahh,. ok |
| 15:16:43 | S0uL | and now? |
| 15:16:48 | petur | phr: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 15:16:48 | preglow | well, try starting your ipod again |
| 15:17:22 | S0uL | uhuuuu |
| 15:17:30 | S0uL | rockbox boot loader version 2.0 |
| 15:17:32 | S0uL | yesss baby |
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| 15:17:42 | S0uL | thanks thanks, thannnnkkksss!!! |
| 15:17:51 | S0uL | ohhh |
| 15:17:53 | S0uL | hehe shit |
| 15:17:58 | S0uL | canŽt load rockbox |
| 15:17:59 | S0uL | hahaha |
| 15:18:06 | S0uL | file not found^^ |
| 15:18:29 | S0uL | hmm |
| 15:18:50 | preglow | sounds like the bootloader |
| 15:19:11 | S0uL | sounds bad^^ |
| 15:19:11 | pixelma | sounds like you didn't extract the rockbox.zip (properly) |
| 15:19:27 | preglow | S0uL: it says 'can't load rockbox.ipod' ? |
| 15:19:50 | S0uL | mhm cant load rockbox.ipod: |
| 15:19:53 | S0uL | file not found |
| 15:19:58 | preglow | S0uL: then you didn't extract that zip properly, but you now have a bootloader |
| 15:20:16 | preglow | S0uL: so as soon as you extract the zip properly, you should have a working rockbox |
| 15:21:58 | preglow | amiconn: have we updated the nano/5g bootloaders yet? |
| 15:22:11 | phr | petur, thanks |
| 15:22:48 | phr | would you mind putting that into the doc section of the twiki index? i don't have an account right now |
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| 15:23:10 | petur | phr: it is... |
| 15:23:39 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex under General Information |
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| 15:23:51 | petur | item 5 |
| 15:23:59 | preglow | brb |
| 15:24:13 | phr | aha, thanks |
| 15:24:29 | S0uL | hmm |
| 15:24:54 | S0uL | my pc doesnŽt find my ipod anymore^^^allthough itŽs connected |
| 15:25:56 | rvvs89 | S0uL: Restart it into disk mode |
| 15:26:14 | rvvs89 | Standard procedure for anything involving iPod hacking |
| 15:26:26 | rvvs89 | s/hacking/installing the fruits of someone else's hacking/ |
| 15:26:37 | S0uL | how do i restart it into disk mode? |
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| 15:26:41 | S0uL | if i restart my ipod |
| 15:26:44 | pixelma | follow the instructions it gave you to put it into disk mode manually (on the screen with the error message "can't find rockbox.ipod" it tells you) |
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| 15:26:53 | S0uL | i just see the screen with the boot loader |
| 15:27:10 | GodEater_ | S0uL: which says..... |
| 15:27:59 | S0uL | Rockbox boot loader... |
| 15:28:04 | S0uL | Version: 2.0 |
| 15:28:16 | S0uL | Ipov version: blabla |
| 15:28:26 | S0uL | partitipation: 1 |
| 15:28:36 | S0uL | loading rockbox... |
| 15:28:40 | S0uL | error! |
| 15:28:41 | rvvs89 | pastebin yo |
| 15:28:50 | S0uL | canŽt load rockbox |
| 15:28:55 | S0uL | file not found |
| 15:29:06 | S0uL | hold menu + select to |
| 15:29:14 | S0uL | reboot then select + play |
| 15:29:20 | S0uL | for disc mode |
| 15:29:46 | S0uL | thatŽs it |
| 15:29:49 | rvvs89 | So, do it |
| 15:29:51 | S0uL | but itŽs not working ^^ |
| 15:29:53 | rvvs89 | Did you even read it? |
| 15:29:54 | S0uL | hehe i did hehe |
| 15:29:57 | S0uL | yes sure |
| 15:30:18 | rvvs89 | http://ipodlinux.org/Key_Combinations |
| 15:30:29 | rvvs89 | Slightly more verbose explanation of the last three lines |
| 15:34:14 | GodEater_ | was jhMikeS getting a Gigabeat S too ? |
| 15:34:32 | GodEater_ | or did I imagine that ? |
| 15:35:03 | Nico_P | I said he was getting one... don't know if he actually did though |
| 15:35:18 | GodEater_ | I could have sworn I saw him say it himself too :) |
| 15:35:36 | GodEater_ | you told me preglow was getting one too, that's the only person I've not seen it from directly I think |
| 15:36:07 | Nico_P | he seemed lesscertain then jhMikeS |
| 15:36:16 | GodEater_ | ah |
| 15:36:17 | Nico_P | but he did say he wanted one |
| 15:36:46 | GodEater_ | do we have any clearer idea on where we're hanging up now? Or are we still just suspicious of interrupts ? |
| 15:38:21 | preglow | jhMikeS got one |
| 15:38:28 | preglow | don't know if he has, but it was on its way at a certain point in time |
| 15:38:32 | preglow | i'm the one only talking about it :) |
| 15:39:03 | preglow | i just figured i'd roll on over christmas and see how i am with cash at that point |
| 15:39:18 | preglow | i've got this knack at being low on it |
| 15:40:12 | Nico_P | preglow: did jhMikeS say if he actually ordered it? |
| 15:40:18 | preglow | i think he did, yes |
| 15:41:38 | Nico_P | cool :) |
| 15:44:21 | preglow | yes, at least you'll have the low level side of things covered, heh |
| 15:44:36 | preglow | though i fancy having a shot at that too, but i guess it'll be covered once i finally get one, heh |
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| 15:45:36 | pixelma | hmm, the supression of "cancelled" when you didn't move in the settings list (i.e. enter the setting and immediately back out again) seems to be broken.. and wasn't it agreed on getting rid of it at all again? |
| 15:45:56 | preglow | i think so |
| 15:46:02 | preglow | but it never did happen |
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| 15:59:57 | Llorean | We use code from ffmpeg, right? |
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| 16:00:19 | markun | yes, the flac decoder |
| 16:01:07 | Llorean | Right. Just curious, as we're not in the "these projects incorporate work from ffmpeg" list, and was wondering if we ought to drop them a note and see if they know. |
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| 16:01:53 | markun | Llorean: maybe ask the guys in #ffmpeg-devel |
| 16:04:07 | preglow | shorten too |
| 16:04:31 | preglow | so yeah, we definitely belong in that list |
| 16:04:57 | mokkurkalve | the Shorten and WMA decoder in RB is also originally from ffmpeg I think.... |
| 16:05:01 | Llorean | And AAC? |
| 16:05:06 | preglow | ahh, yeah, wma to |
| 16:05:08 | * | preglow slaps head |
| 16:05:08 | preglow | no aac |
| 16:05:13 | preglow | that's faad, unfortunately |
| 16:05:17 | Llorean | Ah, Right |
| 16:05:20 | Llorean | ffmpeg doesn't have AAC |
| 16:05:25 | preglow | not yet |
| 16:05:27 | Llorean | Just like they don't have mp3 |
| 16:05:37 | preglow | i hang in #ffmpeg-devel, i could tell them |
| 16:05:46 | preglow | where's this list? |
| 16:05:51 | preglow | Llorean: they have mp3 |
| 16:05:57 | Llorean | http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/projects.html |
| 16:06:01 | Llorean | preglow: libmp3lame, isn't it? |
| 16:06:10 | preglow | libavcodec/mpegaudio.c |
| 16:06:14 | preglow | hmm |
| 16:06:16 | Llorean | That's not just mp2/mp1? |
| 16:06:29 | preglow | nah, mpegaudioenc.c |
| 16:06:32 | preglow | looks like a complete encoder |
| 16:06:34 | preglow | but not a very good one... |
| 16:06:37 | Llorean | Odd |
| 16:07:07 | Llorean | Well, I always roll my own with lame anyway, because the one in ubuntu's repository is mp3-less entirely |
| 16:07:22 | * | Nico_P read an interesting blog post about natural sorting and found a nice implementation |
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| 16:08:35 | preglow | Llorean: ahh, almost seems like its layer 2 only, yeah |
| 16:09:20 | markun | they also have a flac encoder now. I wonder if the resulting files differ in size from the official encoder |
| 16:11:13 | Llorean | preglow: Are you on the ffmpeg-devel list? |
| 16:11:22 | preglow | Llorean: nope |
| 16:11:28 | * | Llorean doesn't feel like signing up for the list if he can avoid it, but would also hate to email into it without being on it. |
| 16:11:33 | preglow | Llorean: i can, though |
| 16:11:41 | preglow | i think i'll try to hang there and see if it's interesting |
| 16:11:48 | markun | Llorean: they are also on freenode |
| 16:11:49 | pixelma | pondlife: just got another freeze on M5, this time browsing the menus and .talk clips are turned off... |
| 16:11:58 | Llorean | markun: I went to their channel, and they suggesting sending to the list |
| 16:12:04 | markun | aha |
| 16:12:06 | Llorean | preglow: If you could let them know then, that'd be great. :) |
| 16:12:28 | preglow | sure |
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| 16:13:36 | pondlife | pixelma: Any voice enabled? During playback? |
| 16:13:53 | pixelma | no playback, voice menus enabled |
| 16:14:05 | pixelma | (and voice file present) |
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| 16:15:17 | markun | just did a test and ffmpeg's produced flac was smaller than flac -8 and went a lot faster |
| 16:21:03 | krazykit | markun, which version of the flac reference encoder? i think much of ffmpeg's improvements went into 1.2.1 |
| 16:23:03 | markun | 1.1.2 |
| 16:23:11 | markun | I'll update and try again |
| 16:23:14 | markun | later |
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| 16:34:49 | preglow | Llorean: done |
| 16:35:46 | Llorean | Thanks |
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| 16:48:01 | DefineByte | Anyone willing to commit FS #8313? |
| 16:48:30 | DefineByte | changes 'web site' to 'website' in the manual. |
| 16:48:53 | DefineByte | which i believe was agreed on here a while back |
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| 16:56:17 | pixelma | DefineByte: one would need your complete real name to commit it... (I might do it later but also working on some other things in the manual myself atm) |
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| 17:01:22 | preglow | Llorean: haha, and already i'm gathering shit for having told them |
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| 17:01:50 | GodEater_ | preglow: such as ? |
| 17:02:55 | preglow | haha, for not linking to their website or pointing out exactly where their source is, apparently |
| 17:03:58 | | Quit DrCrow_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 17:07:39 | GodEater_ | they're joking I hope |
| 17:08:34 | preglow | http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-December/039245.html |
| 17:09:04 | preglow | he kind of makes it sounds like we're breaking some law by not linking to them and offering their source code on the front page |
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| 17:10:13 | GodEater_ | what a <insert-unpleasant-word-here> |
| 17:13:12 | GodEater_ | they can help themselves to patches too |
| 17:15:00 | PaulPosition | Nico_P - Just to let you know that whatever the name (cover or cover.100x100) I do get a 'data abort at 00008684 (0)' when the 'preparing album artwork' completes. If I look at /rocks/demos/pflow/ it seems to generate all the raw files (I get same number as with 90x90 res that does work), it generates the 'ready' file, but it doesn't generate the 'pflow.config' file. |
| 17:16:22 | Nico_P | PaulPosition: ok, thanks. I assume you have the latest svn rev? (15913) |
| 17:16:31 | PaulPosition | Nico_P - Still might be something with my particular device as I seen a youtube vid of your plugin used on the same player. |
| 17:17:03 | Nico_P | that could be a different version |
| 17:17:15 | PaulPosition | (Oh weird.. If I hit 'up' after the data abort I also get a "undefined instruction at 0010D7AC (0)" |
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| 17:17:39 | * | GodEater_ has now run it on a Gigabeat F, and a 5.5G ipod. |
| 17:17:45 | GodEater_ | no problems on either |
| 17:18:14 | PaulPosition | It might be, yes... I'm using the version I dled 15 minutes before talking with you yesterday night... |
| 17:18:45 | Nico_P | PaulPosition: could you please check? |
| 17:18:50 | PaulPosition | Nico_P - but I'll update just for kicks.. although changes in voicing shouldn't affect me much :) |
| 17:19:16 | * | PaulPosition starts up the vmware player |
| 17:20:07 | GodEater_ | which target you testing on PaulPosition ? |
| 17:20:38 | PaulPosition | GodEater - H10, 5gb. |
| 17:20:55 | GodEater_ | just another portalplayer one then :) |
| 17:21:40 | PaulPosition | btw, where could I read about changing the manual (LaTEX, html, ???) ... There's still no Fm-Radio mention in the H10s manuals. |
| 17:22:06 | GodEater_ | google for latex ? |
| 17:22:36 | DefineByte | http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/info/lshort/english/lshort.pdf |
| 17:22:39 | GodEater_ | or possibly just Tex |
| 17:22:45 | pixelma | PaulPosition: good reminder... _should_ be easy |
| 17:22:54 | GodEater_ | latex might end up with all sorts of odd things in your search results ;) |
| 17:22:55 | DefineByte | the not so short introduction to latex |
| 17:22:56 | pixelma | but I wasn't aware of it... ;) |
| 17:24:34 | PaulPosition | Heh, I guess it makes sense. I'm more worried about the branching out, defining buttons thing... Isn't the manual built like some freakin' tree to spare the need to repeat the same thing 26 times? |
| 17:25:01 | * | Nico_P has a natural sorting patch that adds 628 bytes to the gigabeat build and doesn't only do prefixes |
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| 17:27:29 | pixelma | PaulPosition: yes and there is a simple "switch" in the platform files (I hope that's all it needs) |
| 17:28:17 | PaulPosition | I'll have a look.. Is that manual stuff downloaded with svn by default? (or does svn dl everything, unlike csv before it?) |
| 17:30:20 | pixelma | the manual stuff is in an own (surprise) "manual" directory in the svn tree. I already did the change, going to test compile now... |
| 17:30:37 | PaulPosition | Oh cool.. thanks. :) |
| 17:37:35 | pixelma | ok it needs a bit more than just enabling - I also need to fill out the button table... |
| 17:38:48 | PaulPosition | Nico_P - Just to confirm I get the exact same error with current build. Compiling gives no error or warning, but should I dl one from the rockbox.org site just to make sure? |
| 17:39:01 | Nico_P | PaulPosition: no need |
| 17:40:54 | PaulPosition | Nico_P - Any idea what I should check..? Try with 99x99 or 101x101.. unload database from ram? no dir-cache? .. Anyway as I said, it works at least in 90x90 so it's not like *I* need more, I'd just like to help pinpoint the culprit. |
| 17:41:50 | Nico_P | PaulPosition: if you are compiling yoursele, you could try a few changes in pictureflow.c:main |
| 17:42:39 | Nico_P | from your description the crash comes either from the call to create_empty_slide or the call to free_buffers. try disabling one then the other to see which crashes |
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| 17:46:09 | PaulPosition | I'll have a look but I can't guarantee I'll understand anything :p |
| 17:46:42 | pixelma | PaulPosition: seen PM? |
| 17:47:02 | PaulPosition | pixelma - nope, will have a look |
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| 17:56:06 | pixelma | one has to love those LaTeX warnings like "Underfull \hbox (badness 1337) in paragraph at lines 114−−114" :> |
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| 17:58:00 | Crash91 | erm, im not sure if anyone is aware, but pictureflow on the sansa still has "could allocate temporary buffers" instead of couldnt |
| 17:59:13 | Nico_P | Crash91: that means you need to update |
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| 18:00:03 | Crash91 | i used the buld from the day the spelling mistakes correction, but just wanted to make sure |
| 18:00:52 | Nico_P | Crash91: use the one from today, or better: the current one |
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| 18:01:34 | DefineByte | pixelma: I have to say, I just ignore them >.> |
| 18:04:51 | pixelma | I usually do too but "badness 1337" caught my eye :) |
| 18:06:51 | PaulPosition | Nico_P - Let's say I build pictureflow.c without the call to free_buffers(), (actually, I changed it to return true no matter what) what should happen? (I'm sure the problem isn't with the ready file as upon verification, it too got generated) |
| 18:07:11 | PaulPosition | (err.. I meant the "empty slide" file |
| 18:07:37 | Nico_P | PaulPosition: I'm not sure, but if there is no crash then it probably means the crash was there |
| 18:08:05 | PaulPosition | Heh.. We'll see in a few minutes I guess :p |
| 18:08:47 | Nico_P | I'm off, but I'll read the logs when I get back in roughly 45 minutes |
| 18:08:57 | PaulPosition | But I wonder why my player would crash on emptying buffers.. some sort of deletion overflow? (technically challenged here, I guess it shows) |
| 18:09:07 | PaulPosition | Nico_P no problem man. :) |
| 18:09:34 | Nico_P | PaulPosition: create_empty_slide is a more likelu candidate to me |
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| 18:15:54 | DefineByte | pixelma: Shows how little attention I pay to them, I didn't even notice that xD |
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| 18:48:58 | RichiH | hi |
| 18:49:31 | RichiH | i got a request by zagor to cloak logbot, linusn confirmed the claim but it turns out he is not the gc |
| 18:49:40 | RichiH | so, the real gc please poke me and confirm :) |
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| 18:50:45 | scorche|w | RichiH: the real GC is gone |
| 18:51:03 | scorche|w | hence why the channel contacts have been changed |
| 18:53:07 | scorche|w | see PM |
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| 18:57:19 | * | petur wonders what's a GC |
| 18:57:43 | scorche|w | group contact |
| 18:58:06 | petur | could have guessed that ;) |
| 18:58:12 | scorche|w | see http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml |
| 18:59:23 | petur | and who is ours? |
| 18:59:47 | petur | one of the Swedes? |
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| 19:00:43 | scorche|w | no...i *think* it is t0mas, but i shouldnt really need to track him down again...but i probably will just to have the GC changed for future reference |
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| 19:14:49 | PaulPosition | Nico_P - (for when you're back).. I tried a few things. Commenting out both, or one of the rb->buffclose() got me pass the data-abort but only so far : black screen with the name of the album at the bottom but frozen player. |
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| 19:15:20 | Nico_P | PaulPosition: ok |
| 19:15:29 | PaulPosition | Nico_P - Commenting out the whole call to create_empty_slide() however got me a working plugin. |
| 19:15:33 | Nico_P | black scren isn't very suprising I guess |
| 19:15:36 | Nico_P | ah |
| 19:15:51 | PaulPosition | Nico_P : So I guess the buffer thing was a red herring, like you thought. |
| 19:16:30 | Nico_P | PaulPosition: actually no, create_empty_slide uses the buffering calls |
| 19:16:44 | DefineByte | pixelma: I have four patches up now.: #8309, #8313, #8315 and #8316 |
| 19:17:01 | DefineByte | no pressure :D |
| 19:17:03 | PaulPosition | I still can't see why it wouldn't work with 100x100 art while it works perfect with 60, 80 or 90 px ones.. And it certainly works alright on everyone else's device since 100x100 is what most have tested with.. :puzzled: |
| 19:17:38 | Nico_P | PaulPosition: maybe your particular configuration puts you in a corner case |
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| 19:18:22 | DefineByte | ciao |
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| 19:18:24 | PaulPosition | Nico_P : Reset settings. Only database, database in ram and dir cache, but I tried without db in ram and dircache with same problems. |
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| 19:18:45 | PaulPosition | Nico_P : Or did you mean hardware configuration? |
| 19:19:12 | Nico_P | I meant the size and number of cover art bitmaps |
| 19:20:04 | PaulPosition | Nico_P : Perhaps.. Although I'm pretty limited by a small disk (5gb) so I don't dare imagine what a loaded up 80gb device would cause :o |
| 19:21:00 | amiconn | whoa, logbot *finally* learned to explain again? :) |
| 19:21:57 | scorche|w | hrm? |
| 19:23:36 | amiconn | [10:33:32] <Zagor> logbot explain MoB |
| 19:23:36 | amiconn | [10:33:34] -logbot- 'MoB' Metadata On Buffer. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MetadataOnBuffer |
| 19:24:15 | scorche|w | heh...maybe they did something after i brought the topic up recently |
| 19:24:19 | #>> | "used to be able to explain a couple of things years ago. That feature got lost during a server upgrade or somesuch" by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) |
| 19:24:38 | amiconn | I still have that old list of explainable things |
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| 19:25:15 | scorche|w | in that case, i have a few things to teach the guy |
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| 19:36:06 | mrkiko | How many asre in your opinion aproximately rockbox users? A big or small number? I ask this to you since I don't have access to web-site logbs and such... |
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| 19:39:27 | scorche|w | it is too hard to tell, really, as some peopel update once per day, and some update once every few months |
| 19:40:02 | scorche|w | you can see counts for oct here http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/11/06/rockbox-downloads-oct-2007/ |
| 19:40:27 | mrkiko | boot-loaders downloading may be more precise probably <:) |
| 19:40:32 | mrkiko | * sorry |
| 19:40:33 | mrkiko | :) |
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| 19:43:02 | mrkiko | good... |
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| 19:49:41 | scorche|w | yes, but we cant monitor that easily due to how the download server is done |
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| 19:58:13 | RichiH | oi ompaul :) |
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| 20:09:19 | Slavik0329 | hey i have a question |
| 20:09:37 | Slavik0329 | i tried playing a midi file but then got "No Intruments Found" |
| 20:10:38 | RyoS | you have to plugin a keyboard and a bass and a guitar and so on :^ |
| 20:10:49 | RyoS | just kidding :x |
| 20:11:00 | Domonoky | haha, you need a patchset... |
| 20:11:17 | Slavik0329 | lol |
| 20:11:18 | Domonoky | the sounds for a keyboard, bass, guitar.. :-) |
| 20:11:23 | pixelma | Slavik0329: see PluginMidiPlay in the wiki |
| 20:11:24 | Slavik0329 | how do i get that? |
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| 20:11:45 | Slavik0329 | ahh, thanks |
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| 20:12:39 | Slavik0329 | i searched the wiki i cant find it :( |
| 20:12:46 | scorche|w | RichiH: sorry..using CGI:IRC, which doesnt really alert me well when i get pinged :) |
| 20:12:53 | Slavik0329 | neverminf i did |
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| 20:14:30 | RichiH | logbot is now cloaked |
| 20:14:33 | RyoS | anyone ever purchased another battery for the iaudio x5? |
| 20:14:38 | RyoS | should i watch out for anything? |
| 20:14:47 | RichiH | scorche: ^ |
| 20:14:54 | scorche|w | RichiH: thanks :) |
| 20:14:57 | RichiH | np |
| 20:15:03 | RyoS | or even better could someone recommend me a shop preferebly europe/germany? |
| 20:16:56 | PaulPosition | You'd have better luck inquiring on an iAudio specific forum... |
| 20:17:30 | RyoS | alright |
| 20:17:30 | scorche|w | RyoS: there is iaudiophile , but if you wait around, there is a chance someone familiar with this may speak up |
| 20:17:38 | RyoS | i already looked at iaudiophile |
| 20:17:44 | RyoS | ah, hehe yes :) |
| 20:17:57 | RyoS | scorche|w: you mean the bettery lifetime? |
| 20:18:07 | RyoS | i just testet the OF and it was almost as bad as with rockbox |
| 20:18:14 | RyoS | just a little tiny bit better |
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| 20:18:56 | RyoS | i already forgot how to navigate that OF.. |
| 20:18:59 | RyoS | how i love rockbox <3 |
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| 20:23:31 | sindref | According to the new theme "slant" for the ipod nano posted a few weeks ago, it says that despite the theme is able to view album art, it doesn't require any additional patches. Today I reinstalled rockbox on my nano, due to some error I couldn't fix. I have downloaded the latest build. But the album art doesn't work despite the description for the "slant" theme stated that album art patches are included in the |
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| 20:24:21 | Domonoky | sindref: your message ends with: are included in the |
| 20:24:26 | PaulPosition | Sindref - Do you have a cover.bmp file for each of your albums? |
| 20:25:16 | neep | ooo did i come in on album art problems? because i can't seem to get the resize to work all the time |
| 20:25:29 | sindref | I am sorry, didn't know there was a message limit here. I'll repost the message in pieces:) |
| 20:25:53 | sindref | n the latest build. Therefore, I cannot understand why I am not able to view the album art? And yes, I have the bitmap files named in the containing folder as cover.bmp. Could the error be that the the bitmap file size is 200X200 pixels? |
| 20:25:59 | scorche|w | sindref: well, the limit depends on the client you are using, but ultimately, there is a limit in the protocol |
| 20:26:02 | sindref | I used the nClix build before I got the error (which is the reason I reinstalled rockbox), and back then it worked fine with the bitmap files I have. |
| 20:26:07 | PaulPosition | neep - There's no bitmap resizing at the moment... |
| 20:26:07 | scorche|w | well, RFC i should say |
| 20:26:43 | neep | there isnt? thats really weird, some of my art actually does resize on my wps |
| 20:26:46 | Domonoky | the same to sindref: bmp resize is not in svn, so you bmps are probably too big.. |
| 20:26:54 | PaulPosition | neep - You sure it isn't just cropped? |
| 20:27:09 | neep | yeah, positive, i double checked to make sure i wasn't going crazy |
| 20:27:18 | PaulPosition | Domonoky - My "too big" bitmaps are usually cropped at the bottom-right.. |
| 20:27:59 | PaulPosition | neep - You using custom build with old bmp-resize patch or plain svn ?!? :o |
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| 20:28:51 | sindref | I am not 100% sure what you mean now. The build I use is downloaded from rockbox.org, no modifications at all. |
| 20:29:19 | neep | plain svn from a week ago |
| 20:29:27 | neep | should the resize not be happening? haha |
| 20:29:29 | sindref | Before the error I had which is the reason I reinstalled I used a custom build called nclix. |
| 20:31:05 | sindref | So it is absolutely true that album art is included with the latest builds? I just won't believe it:P |
| 20:31:29 | scorche|w | sindref: look at the commit log... |
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| 20:31:48 | PaulPosition | sindref - Try resizing ONE of your bmp to slant's standard size for your device (open slant's .wps file and search for a line like "%Cl|34|12|c60|c60|") |
| 20:32:08 | PaulPosition | ..and then try this one album to see if the bmp size is the culprit of your problem... |
| 20:32:11 | rp- | Hi, could someone hint me to the where i can add something to the context menu? |
| 20:32:19 | rp- | +file |
| 20:32:21 | sindref | Will do. |
| 20:32:43 | sindref | Scorche: what is the commit log and where can I find it? Sorry if that's a dumb question. |
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| 20:33:47 | PaulPosition | sindref - Trust us, album art *IS* in svn and has been for a good month or so. |
| 20:33:53 | pixelma | sindref: how are your files named (do they contain .200x200.bmp perhaps)? |
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| 20:34:46 | sindref | nope, they are named cover.bmp, nothing more nothing less. Working on resizing to 50X50 pixels to see if that's the problem. |
| 20:35:18 | PaulPosition | sindref - But you can get to svn log by going to rockbox.org homepage.. There are the last few changes, but if you click 'subversion' you'll get a few more.. And then you can click at the bottom of the screen for "last 4 weeks" or the last years or whatever.. |
| 20:35:36 | neep | sindref: and they're 24 bit too, right? |
| 20:36:26 | sindref | I am quite sure, but cannot guarantee. |
| 20:37:20 | sindref | It's working!! |
| 20:38:06 | sindref | Thanks for the help everyone:) |
| 20:41:21 | PaulPosition | sindref - nice... Now I'd suggest finding out (through the .wps file) the exact dimension it wants so you're not stuck with smallish 50px pics ;-) |
| 20:41:46 | PaulPosition | (Well, if the wps expects larger than 50px that is...) |
| 20:45:28 | sindref | The description of the theme says that it uses 50X50, and that's quite normal for the nano anyways. |
| 20:47:03 | PaulPosition | True.. :) |
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| 20:50:19 | Slavik0329 | How do I get pictureflow on my ipod? |
| 20:51:10 | PaulPosition | Slavik - It's in svn... If you download a current build you should get it. Read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPictureFlow too... :) |
| 20:52:12 | Slavik0329 | My build is from a week ago |
| 20:52:22 | Slavik0329 | were there any updates wince then? |
| 20:52:27 | Slavik0329 | since* |
| 20:52:33 | PaulPosition | There are *always* updates. |
| 20:52:54 | PaulPosition | The pictureflow one dates back two days, so your build won't have it for sure :) |
| 20:53:27 | Slavik0329 | oh snap |
| 20:53:29 | Slavik0329 | thanks |
| 20:54:35 | neep | when upgrading rockbox on the player, i assume it wipes all personal settings? |
| 20:54:39 | Slavik0329 | if i use the automatic downloader what should i do? |
| 20:54:59 | PaulPosition | Never used it, I wouldn't know. |
| 20:55:19 | Slavik0329 | does it wipe setting when you reflash? |
| 20:56:12 | sindref | I am not an expert here, but I believe you can export all your settings to a .cfg file, and then use the config file when you have reinstalled rockbox |
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| 20:58:57 | scorche|w | Slavik0329: it should reset your settings, but you can always export them as said |
| 20:59:08 | scorche|w | s/should/shouldn't |
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| 21:15:30 | insanepyro | Hello all, I was wondering if someone could help me with a database problem? I am an Ipod video 80gig, and I deleted all my old ipod files (the whole .ipod foler), and have copied a few albums to my rockbox and now want to update my database. However, when I go to build a new database, it doesnt find my new mp3s, flacs, and mp4s. It just stays at "0 found". I have let it run for about 20 min. now, and no change. |
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| 21:17:11 | scorche|w | what .ipod folder? |
| 21:17:29 | scorche|w | do you mean .rockbox?...and if so, did you copy over a new one from the current build page? |
| 21:18:03 | insanepyro | its the folder left over from the old apple firmware. It had all my old ipod songs and the ipod database. It was outside of the .rockbox folder, in the root directory. I did not delete the .rockbox folder. |
| 21:18:55 | scorche|w | what version of rockbox are you running? |
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| 21:19:47 | insanepyro | version: r15727-071120 |
| 21:19:52 | insanepyro | latest build, i think |
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| 21:22:06 | scorche|w | that isnt...could you please update to the current build? |
| 21:22:43 | insanepyro | yes, thanks, I did not realize that. Lets see if that does the trick. |
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| 21:24:31 | scorche|w | the current build is updated anywhere from ~3-10 times a day, so people usually arent running the current build ;) |
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| 21:26:27 | insanepyro | ;-) haha i had no idea :) |
| 21:26:49 | insanepyro | im having a hard time finding how to update the build, is it just a matter of copy and paste into the .rockbox folder? |
| 21:26:55 | scorche|w | yes |
| 21:27:02 | scorche|w | well, not exactly |
| 21:27:08 | insanepyro | ... |
| 21:27:11 | scorche|w | just extract the entire zip tot eh root of the device |
| 21:27:27 | scorche|w | s/tot eh/to the |
| 21:28:03 | insanepyro | so just unzip that unnamed folder into the root, and it will take care of the rest? sorry, im a bit new to the firmware; though I have been reading the guides. |
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| 21:31:30 | scorche|w | it shouldnt be unnamed (although if you are on a *nix-based system it is likely hidden) |
| 21:31:39 | jmspeex | preglow: Yes, I've got an iaudio 7 |
| 21:32:28 | neep | hmm, just did the update, didnt wipe any of my settings.. kind of nice but i expected otherwise |
| 21:32:31 | insanepyro | lol haha opps, it was named .rockbox, but windows xp didnt show that inside the zip folder. |
| 21:33:05 | scorche|w | neep: did you want them to be reset? |
| 21:33:25 | neep | nope, im just pleasantly surprised :) |
| 21:34:05 | scorche|w | that was changed a number of months back |
| 21:34:25 | neep | im new to rockbox, actually, this is my first update ive done on it |
| 21:35:26 | Lear | It would be annoying for the developers if the settings were wiped on each "install", as they tend to install often... |
| 21:35:48 | neep | yeah i can imagine |
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| 21:37:33 | insanepyro | grrrr it looks like its doing the same thing again. The hard drive spins up for a second, and then it stops and finds nothing new on my ipod |
| 21:37:51 | Soaa | Hello everyone. |
| 21:38:04 | insanepyro | is there a folder I must set for this, or does the database scan the whole ipod? |
| 21:38:50 | Lear | insanepyro: Almost the whole ipod. Not the .rockbox folder... |
| 21:39:13 | scorche|w | insanepyro: how did you transfer the files and what format are they? |
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| 21:40:27 | insanepyro | sorche: I transfered them as a copy/paste into a folder in the root directory called "Music" and "Unsorted & New". They are in three formats: flac, mp3, and mp4 |
| 21:42:41 | Lear | And you can see them in the file browser and play them and everything? |
| 21:43:13 | insanepyro | yes, they play fine when I go to the file browser. I want to use the database though, so I can play all my files on shuffle. |
| 21:43:29 | insanepyro | nm I fixed it |
| 21:43:48 | insanepyro | just deleted two database files, and now its finding everything :) |
| 21:44:26 | insanepyro | perhaps their files were bugged or corupted by something I did :) |
| 21:46:02 | insanepyro | Man I really like this rockbox firmware. It does so much! :) |
| 21:46:31 | neep | has anyone had any luck with the bmp resizing for album art patch? |
| 21:47:13 | insanepyro | thanks for all your helps guys. Im off to listen to my collection on suffle! peace |
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| 21:47:21 | sindref | The issue I had? If you are thinking of that, it's resolved. |
| 21:47:27 | preglow | jmspeex: are we doing a port for that? :) |
| 21:47:59 | neep | just the resizing thing, i have album art working and all, but i still cant figure out why some of my album art seems to auto resize but some doesnt |
| 21:48:15 | neep | patch free, straight from svn |
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| 21:49:13 | pixelma | preglow: yes, port to the Iaudio 7 has started... look at the table when you configure... ;) |
| 21:50:10 | * | pixelma points to TMM too |
| 21:50:28 | preglow | didn't he brick his? :> |
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| 21:51:27 | pixelma | according to linuxstb he got a replacement |
| 21:51:56 | preglow | ahh, yeah, that's right |
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| 21:55:53 | jmspeex | preglow: I heard there was one in progress. For now, I'm using the original firmware, which supports Ogg |
| 21:56:08 | jmspeex | (they even support FLAC) |
| 21:59:49 | preglow | not bad |
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| 22:09:38 | pikapika | hello |
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| 22:12:03 | pikapika | i was trying to install the bootloader and rockbox on an ipod 2g, but the ipodpatcher never seem to find the device, does it work through firewire ? |
| 22:13:05 | preglow | hmm |
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| 22:16:11 | petur | no firewire I think |
| 22:16:24 | low_light | pixelma: hi...have time for a radio patch? |
| 22:16:39 | * | petur looks at amiconn |
| 22:16:48 | pikapika | petur: is there another way ? :) |
| 22:17:20 | petur | wait, it only has firewire? |
| 22:17:39 | low_light | pixelma: when you have time...http://rafb.net/p/s9tFkm20.html |
| 22:17:44 | pikapika | this is the problem :) |
| 22:18:11 | amiconn | Ipodpatcher sure works via firewire |
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| 22:18:21 | amiconn | How else would I have installed the bootloader? |
| 22:18:34 | pikapika | amiconn: strange |
| 22:19:29 | pikapika | amiconn: it can't find the device |
| 22:19:37 | amiconn | Are you trying to install on linux or macos? Not sure whether that's tested |
| 22:19:44 | * | amiconn installed on windows |
| 22:19:52 | pikapika | amiconn: on linux |
| 22:20:08 | pikapika | and nothing else to do it :) |
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| 22:21:16 | amiconn | Hmm. There could be 2 possible problems |
| 22:21:33 | amiconn | (1) You need to be root (or equivalent) for ipodpatcher to work |
| 22:21:44 | pikapika | tried it |
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| 22:22:27 | amiconn | (2) The autodetection doesn't find the ipod because linux uses different device names for firewire devices (??) |
| 22:23:16 | pikapika | amiconn: could be the problem, but i don't know where it looks, not much verbose |
| 22:23:17 | amiconn | Not sure at all. I have a linux box as well, but without firewire interface |
| 22:23:39 | Bagder | pikapika: strace is your friend ;-) |
| 22:24:03 | pikapika | Bagder: didn't tought of this, good idea :) |
| 22:24:19 | amiconn | The source is also a good candidate :) |
| 22:24:32 | Bagder | haha, yeah ;-) |
| 22:26:34 | amiconn | On linux it seems to check all /dev/sd? |
| 22:27:00 | amiconn | (a..z) |
| 22:27:11 | pikapika | it is sda2 |
| 22:27:23 | amiconn | You need the disk device, not the partition |
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| 22:28:07 | pikapika | but my ipod software is broken on ipod, maybe it could be a problem |
| 22:29:32 | preglow | sure it could |
| 22:29:37 | preglow | you could try restoring it before use |
| 22:29:42 | preglow | before installing rockbox, i mean |
| 22:29:47 | pikapika | yes |
| 22:30:05 | pikapika | the problem i'm looking for now is how to restore without itunes ;) |
| 22:30:15 | preglow | no problem at all |
| 22:30:15 | pikapika | s/problem/thing |
| 22:30:31 | pikapika | really ? |
| 22:30:35 | preglow | http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ |
| 22:30:38 | preglow | download a firmware from there |
| 22:30:45 | pikapika | thanks |
| 22:30:59 | preglow | that includes an image you can just copy to the device, i believe |
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| 22:31:17 | Nico_P | Bagder: you rejected FS #2890... any chance that you'll like FS #8314 better? |
| 22:31:44 | preglow | pixelma: there is a Firmware file in it, i _THINK_ you can just dd that to the raw device |
| 22:31:48 | preglow | ehh |
| 22:31:51 | preglow | pikapika: that last was to you |
| 22:31:58 | pikapika | yes thanks :) |
| 22:32:05 | preglow | pikapika: but that will overwrite everything |
| 22:32:17 | pixelma | low_light: will have a look :) |
| 22:32:20 | pikapika | no problem, there's nothing on it |
| 22:32:46 | Bagder | Nico_P: I'm not a fan of it really, no matter the implementation |
| 22:32:48 | preglow | pikapika: ok, then try writing that directly to /dev/sda, or whatever root device it was |
| 22:33:06 | pikapika | preglow: i'm trying this |
| 22:33:45 | preglow | dd if=Firmware of=/dev/sda should work out fine |
| 22:33:50 | pikapika | preglow: amiconn : petur thanks for helping :) |
| 22:34:00 | pikapika | preglow: i'm doing this |
| 22:34:17 | Nico_P | Bagder: why? I did search the logs but didn't find much about the rejection |
| 22:34:20 | preglow | pikapika: anyway, you should also be aware that 2g ipods is buggy at the moment |
| 22:34:44 | preglow | for some reason we don't know, some builds are not fucntional |
| 22:35:00 | Bagder | Nico_P: it's an edge case that complicates matters and brings little use imho |
| 22:35:02 | preglow | so you should find a build that works and stick to that until the problem is solved |
| 22:35:15 | pikapika | preglow: i'm not using it much for the moment, it was more for fun |
| 22:35:23 | preglow | pikapika: then you'll be fine |
| 22:35:27 | Nico_P | Bagder: what does it complicate? have you seen what the changes to filetree.c are? |
| 22:35:44 | Bagder | they're more complicated than without |
| 22:35:49 | Bagder | no matter how small changes |
| 22:35:52 | pikapika | i used rockbox on an old archos, and wa quite impressed at the time |
| 22:36:13 | Nico_P | in filetree.c it's merely a replacement of a func by an other |
| 22:36:14 | Bagder | Nico_P: let me stress the "little use" part |
| 22:36:20 | Bagder | ues |
| 22:36:26 | Bagder | but that functin does lots |
| 22:36:29 | Bagder | function |
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| 22:37:01 | Bagder | I use 'ls' every day, it does no such weird sorting |
| 22:37:42 | Bagder | I realize not everyone is like me, but I'm telling you my view |
| 22:37:43 | Nico_P | to me the use is user friendlyness |
| 22:38:33 | Nico_P | it's a feature that wouldn't affect me personally at all, like you... but I think it's the kind of detail that can be very important to a user |
| 22:38:57 | preglow | and i think the user should fix his broken file naming... |
| 22:39:20 | Bagder | I would argue that most sorting do it like rockbox already does |
| 22:39:33 | preglow | i say we shouldn't try to fix broken things that don't function well in a broken state other places |
| 22:39:41 | preglow | and it won't work "right" other places either |
| 22:40:15 | Nico_P | preglow: it works "right" in the windows file explorer |
| 22:40:15 | preglow | if lots of other programs supported numeric sorting like this, i'd be more in favour of it |
| 22:40:27 | preglow | really? are you sure that's not because it sorts by tags? |
| 22:40:36 | Nico_P | yes |
| 22:40:38 | preglow | i guess not |
| 22:40:57 | preglow | is it an option in explorer? |
| 22:41:04 | Bagder | no, it just does it |
| 22:41:15 | preglow | i'd be more in favour of us doing that too |
| 22:41:22 | preglow | it'll almost always be the "right thing" |
| 22:41:39 | preglow | but'll be annoying when it's not, and i don't want any kind of heuristic |
| 22:42:00 | preglow | so i really think we shouldn't bother, it adds more complexity, and we don't need that |
| 22:42:18 | preglow | all the files i have that are named like that, i've renamed |
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| 22:42:33 | preglow | and that from before i had even heard of rockbox, since it didn't work right other places |
| 22:42:47 | Nico_P | yeah I did the same |
| 22:43:23 | Nico_P | but it's the kind of unnatural habit we get from using tools that were designed by people like us :) |
| 22:43:23 | preglow | we've got to just draw the line at some "small but useful for fringe cases" features |
| 22:43:27 | preglow | or we'll end up bloated as hell |
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| 22:44:07 | preglow | but then of course i'm not the right guy to ask about "small but useful for fringe cases" features these days :) |
| 22:44:37 | preglow | since i'm pretty much on a crusade against them |
| 22:45:04 | preglow | pikapika: so, did it work, then? |
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| 22:45:34 | pikapika | preglow: dd doesn't work, and the disk does strange sounds for the first time |
| 22:45:42 | preglow | how convenient |
| 22:45:46 | preglow | why doesn't it work? |
| 22:45:48 | preglow | error message? |
| 22:46:04 | amiconn | That "natural" sorting in windows explorer is often very confusing :( |
| 22:46:20 | pikapika | end_request: I/O error, dev sda |
| 22:46:26 | pikapika | not much exciting :) |
| 22:46:27 | preglow | pikapika: well, shit :) |
| 22:46:28 | Nico_P | I knew the welcome wouldn't be warm, I myself aren't a great supporter of the idea... I just happened to find a nice implementation and decided to port it |
| 22:46:31 | amiconn | (in large directories, that is) |
| 22:46:36 | Nico_P | amiconn: how so? |
| 22:47:11 | amiconn | Files are not were I would expect them |
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| 22:47:45 | Nico_P | that's because you're used to the unnatural sorting, isn't it? |
| 22:48:19 | amiconn | Hence the "natural" - to me, pure alphnumeric sorting is much more natural to me. |
| 22:48:49 | PaulPosition | What's 'natural sorting' ?? Getting 1, 2, 3 instead of 1, 10, 11, ... 2, ? |
| 22:49:18 | amiconn | The problem is that "natural" sorting does some heuristics to decide whether digits are to be read as numbers or as digits, and those heuristics are more often wrong than correct |
| 22:49:30 | Nico_P | PaulPosition: getting 1, 2, 10, 20 instead of 1, 10, 2, 20 |
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| 22:50:25 | saratoga | personally i hate unnatural sorting, but can tolerate it since I'm used to it |
| 22:50:40 | low_light | Zagor: can you see if this helps your c200 radio... http://rafb.net/p/s9tFkm20.html |
| 22:51:00 | amiconn | I never get this problem with files I named, as I always use 01, 02 etc for track numbers. And for other files, the algorithm in explorer is just nasty - often makes me overlook files |
| 22:51:05 | saratoga | i think i can tolerate anything if its what c uses though |
| 22:51:09 | PaulPosition | Uh... And how does file-browser using people manage to play albums in the right order right now?? by naming their files a-song, b-song, c-song or what?! |
| 22:51:16 | Zagor | low_light: sure, I'll test right away |
| 22:51:27 | amiconn | PaulPosition: 01, 02... |
| 22:51:28 | PaulPosition | Ah right.. duh |
| 22:51:34 | pixelma | low_light: seems much better now - I can't confuse it the way I could repeatedly before. I first thought that the reception got worse but compared to the OF and that station is just a bit weak here at my place... :) |
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| 22:51:56 | pixelma | that's with the first tries |
| 22:53:38 | * | low_light crosses fingers |
| 22:54:16 | jott | amiconn: do you have a convincing example where natrual sorting fails, that outweights the obvious 1 10 2 and foo1 foo10 foo2 usefulness? |
| 22:54:26 | amiconn | PaulPosition: Btw, I always use the file browser for listening, and the database only very rarely to check for dupes, typos in tags etc |
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| 22:54:56 | amiconn | jott: Try filenames with hex numbers... |
| 22:55:25 | Zagor | amiconn: can you send me the old explains? |
| 22:55:59 | amiconn | sure |
| 22:56:20 | amiconn | Some seem to be a bit outdated ;) |
| 22:56:33 | Zagor | I can imagine :) |
| 22:57:17 | amiconn | http://amiconn.dyndns.org/explain.txt |
| 22:57:59 | scorche|w | Zagor: not sure if you saw, but logbot is cloaked |
| 22:58:01 | amiconn | That's gathered from a few old irc logs |
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| 22:58:11 | pixelma | low_light: judging by the short time I tried, it seems to be a big improvement :) |
| 22:58:22 | Zagor | scorche|w: ah, it came through now. nice. |
| 22:59:17 | scorche|w | well, it isnt really a matter of coming through...the issue was that the request didnt come from the group contact and cloak changes can only be made by the group contact to prevent abuse |
| 22:59:53 | Zagor | scorche|w: I though you change to make linus group contact? |
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| 23:00:18 | Zagor | if not, I misunderstood. my bad. |
| 23:00:38 | scorche|w | as well, can you let me know (in a mail or PM to scorche) how to interface with logbot (such as add explains and such) so i can add a few/make them updated/etc? (if that is desired of course) |
| 23:00:46 | scorche|w | no..he is the *channel* contact |
| 23:01:41 | scorche|w | the group contact is a different thing and it is actually on records that freenode staff look up |
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| 23:01:50 | Zagor | ahh, ok. |
| 23:02:25 | #>> | "docs is available here: http://dancer.sourceforge.net/doc/dancerdoc-7.html" by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) |
| 23:03:16 | scorche|w | that was t0mas, but after talking to RichiH, i found out that t0mas made me group contact way back when i added a ton of cloaks/started administrating the channel...this is why i have had no trouble when requesting cloaks be added, i guess :) |
| 23:03:32 | scorche|w | thanks |
| 23:04:19 | Zagor | glad it worked out, anyway |
| 23:04:44 | scorche|w | yeah...basically, he just needed to talk to me, but i didnt know that until i talked to him :) |
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| 23:05:28 | rp- | Is there a way to wait until there is a user input? like wait_until_button_pressed(); ? |
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| 23:06:04 | Zagor | rp-: button_get(true) |
| 23:06:26 | rp- | thanks Zagor |
| 23:07:04 | preglow | do we have some kind of rule against using "it's" in the manual or something? |
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| 23:11:54 | rp- | ok next questions, is there a way to wrap text, written with screen[].puts()? or a better way to output text? or at least a way to get possible char width of the target? |
| 23:12:56 | pixelma | heh, svenska.lang does not differentiate between "recording" and "recording settings" and translates both as "inspelning" at least in the radio menu... |
| 23:13:54 | preglow | pixelma: what, you trying to learn swedish or something? :) |
| 23:14:31 | low_light | pixelma: Good. Hopefully it works for Zagor too. An e200 user should test it too. |
| 23:14:31 | pixelma | I learned a bit a while ago and use svenska in Rockbox just for fun :) |
| 23:14:33 | jott | rp-: there is lcd_getstringsize and LCD_WIDTH/LCD_HEIGHT |
| 23:15:01 | pixelma | preglow: from time to time |
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| 23:15:20 | jott | rp-: and lcd_puts_scroll |
| 23:15:23 | low_light | The debug stuff can probably be removed from the patch. An maybe jhMikeS can comment on why that one bit makes a difference. |
| 23:15:44 | low_light | later. gtg. |
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| 23:16:22 | rp- | jott: thanks, will try that |
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| 23:16:57 | Zagor | low_light: wohoo, works great |
| 23:18:05 | preglow | pixelma: would you know why definebyte is substituting "it's" for "it is" in his patch? |
| 23:18:29 | preglow | probably just to make it nicer english |
| 23:18:57 | pixelma | not sure no. |
| 23:19:31 | pixelma | I think he's a native speaker, so maybe in written English that's the more accurate way |
| 23:20:21 | scorche|w | well, many native english speakers incorrectly use the apostrphe in its/it's |
| 23:20:36 | scorche|w | apostrophe... |
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| 23:20:49 | preglow | well, i do consider myself fairly experienced with english myself, and a couple of them don't make much sense |
| 23:21:34 | rp- | jott: thanks again, worked great |
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| 23:22:42 | preglow | pixelma: i'm commiting the ones i think are ok |
| 23:23:10 | pixelma | preglow: I'm currently looking into his folder2directory patch and can't remember what was agreed on. But I tend to think that it really should be "directory" is the better way - at least it should stay consistent |
| 23:23:25 | pixelma | do you need his complete real name? |
| 23:23:35 | preglow | i prefer "directory" |
| 23:23:47 | pixelma | yes, me too |
| 23:23:48 | preglow | pixelma: i guess i do, do we stuff manual contributors into the ordinary CREDITS ? |
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| 23:24:18 | rp- | now a license question, if i want to submit a patch, where parts of the code are under the LGPL, what do i have to take care of? keep the original license text, copyright? |
| 23:24:30 | preglow | i like how different parts of the manual are written in wildly different styles :P |
| 23:24:37 | pixelma | the manual has its own credits file but IIRC last time someone was added to both, not so sure |
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| 23:24:38 | preglow | rp-: yes |
| 23:24:52 | amiconn | This folder vs. directory "issue" is a question of what OS one uses most |
| 23:25:09 | rp- | preglow: fine, thanks |
| 23:25:35 | pixelma | I read that "directory" was first and M$ introduced "folder" |
| 23:25:40 | pixelma | later |
| 23:25:46 | amiconn | Not sure which one belongs to which. AmigaOS uses yet another one - "drawer" |
| 23:26:00 | Shaid | though they were also called directories under AmigaOS |
| 23:26:13 | Shaid | and, at times, folders |
| 23:26:17 | Shaid | so it's not really consistent |
| 23:26:40 | petur | doesn't mac also use the term folder? |
| 23:27:11 | * | amiconn still *uses* an Amiga :) |
| 23:27:38 | Shaid | my 1200 is over there |
| 23:27:40 | * | Shaid points |
| 23:27:45 | petur | poor amiconn :P |
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| 23:28:10 | amiconn | Nah, of course it's not the only machine. But the mailer is nice, and I'm used to it |
| 23:28:45 | amiconn | Rather puristic in that it doesn't support html, but very flexible otherwise |
| 23:28:54 | preglow | sounds like a good thing to me |
| 23:28:59 | preglow | never was html mail's biggest fan |
| 23:29:51 | Zagor | ncurses mail reader and "directory" over "folder" here too. is it an age issue perhaps? :) |
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| 23:30:26 | petur | bah... data abort when recording on H10 :( |
| 23:30:40 | amiconn | I have no strong opinion regarding directory vs. folder (vs. drawer). |
| 23:31:11 | amiconn | I would probably use folder just because it's short |
| 23:31:34 | petur | isn't it supposed to reboot when pressing play? |
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| 23:32:24 | mokkurkalve | usually MS users tend to use "folder" while *nix users tend to use "directory".... |
| 23:33:11 | petur | MSs always used directory in the past, I think they started using folder when win95 came along |
| 23:33:29 | saratoga | i thought folder was a macos thing, since they always had a file folder icon |
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| 23:35:26 | mokkurkalve | OK - I don't know too much 'bout the Apple world... just sharing my impression on how it's used today... |
| 23:46:15 | preglow | but ok, should i add manual contributors to the usual CREDITS file too? |
| 23:47:30 | Shaid | why not, they contributed to the project. |
| 23:47:43 | preglow | i agree, i just want to know if there's some hidden policy here :) |
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| 23:57:11 | pixelma | IIRC the purpose of the own credits file was to use it as a list of authors somewhere |
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| 23:57:56 | pixelma | or contributors |
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