00:00:07 | pixelma | :) |
00:00:34 | Bagder | I did an upgrade of it earlier today and I bet that is what broke it |
00:00:38 | Bagder | he did even |
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00:17:14 | most-idiot | hi, i flashed rockbox on my ipod nano 1g, (using linux) - it works and I can mount it like any other device but under windows its not showing up in explorer, did i have missed something? |
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00:22:15 | pixelma | I think the Ipods have to be either booted into the original firmware or put in disk mode manually at the moment for a data connection in windows - don't have an Ipod myself but this should always work |
00:26:29 | most-idiot | ok, ill try this later, i have to leave now. thx |
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00:38:29 | Topy44 | i can now confirm that the problems i had with the vmware player are related to a change in apic handling |
00:38:53 | Topy44 | ...so the image currently available on the rockbox page wont run with the current version of vmware player |
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01:31:14 | JamPS | Does Sansa see if phones are plugged in or not? |
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01:47:38 | Topy44 | just playing around with some "new" stuff (havent updated rockbox for months), i cannot seem to find the display options menu of mplayer |
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01:48:29 | Topy44 | mpegplayer |
01:49:47 | pixelma | there is a second menu now (not ideal IMO) which is only available when the video is playing |
01:50:33 | pixelma | should be avaialble with "Rec" on X5 |
01:51:47 | pixelma | available too :) |
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01:53:50 | JamPS | I was thinking that is it possible to pause playback if Sansa detects that phones were disconnected? |
01:53:58 | JamPS | or dockbox |
01:54:05 | JamPS | s/d/r |
01:54:17 | JamPS | agh, maybe I should get some sleep |
01:54:45 | Topy44 | pixelma, found it - weird place for it indeed, and should be mentioned in the wiki |
01:55:12 | pixelma | JamPS: the player needs specific hardware for that, I don't think the Sansas have it (there's no such option on my c200 at least) |
01:55:23 | pixelma | Topy44: it's a wiki... ;) |
01:55:46 | Topy44 | yeah, give me write permission :) |
01:56:30 | pixelma | if you tell me your wiki name... |
01:56:44 | Topy44 | just trying to remembered if i registred yet |
01:56:46 | Topy44 | just a sec |
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01:57:36 | Topy44 | yes, i did :) |
01:57:49 | Topy44 | my name is ThorinHopkins |
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01:59:55 | pixelma | you should be able to edit the wiki now :) |
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02:00:41 | Topy44 | thanks, i will |
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02:01:42 | Mouser_X | :P |
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02:47:32 | LinuxMafia | hi |
02:52:47 | LinuxMafia | i get no partion found when i turn it on, any idea |
02:53:03 | LinuxMafia | ? |
02:54:11 | LinuxMafia | ? |
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02:56:30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
02:56:35 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, have you tried going through recovery mode and recovering the original firmware? |
02:56:45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Where do I get a ROM for pacbox? |
02:56:56 | krazykit | Dark_Apostrophe, you cannot ask for ROMs here. |
02:57:07 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, no can u give me a link? |
02:57:07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay... :/ |
02:57:08 | krazykit | the only legal method is to own an arcade machine and rip it yourself |
02:57:14 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, check the wiki |
02:57:14 | scorche | Dark_Apostrophe: from a pacman machine using a dumper |
02:57:14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Strange. |
02:57:24 | scorche | why is that strange? |
02:57:26 | Dark_Apostrophe | So wait, this is an actual pacman game? :o |
02:57:30 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, thanks |
02:57:38 | scorche | no...that is a pacman emulator |
02:57:43 | scorche | the ROM is the game |
02:57:52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay... strange. :/ |
02:58:07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Never mind... I'll hit some torrent sites. |
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02:58:18 | scorche | please dont discuss that here.. |
02:58:29 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay, sorry. |
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03:00:24 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, can not find it |
03:00:37 | LinuxMafia | please can any one give me the link |
03:01:20 | Topy44 | LinuxMafia, which target? |
03:01:33 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, you obviously haven't looked that hard. it's linked from the e200 wiki page |
03:01:42 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
03:01:46 | Topy44 | aah |
03:01:54 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, thanks e260 is same process? |
03:01:57 | * | scorche hates the name of that page |
03:02:15 | scorche | LinuxMafia: e200 refers the whole series |
03:02:17 | * | Topy44 is still waiting for rockbox to compile |
03:02:17 | krazykit | scorche, me too. it'd be nicer to name it SansaE200Recovery |
03:02:36 | Topy44 | who said it would take 5 minutes... its copiling since 11 and nowhere near done |
03:02:37 | LinuxMafia | thanks alot |
03:03:04 | scorche | Topy44: compiling all depends on your computer... |
03:03:06 | krazykit | Topy44, maybe you have a slow computer and/or are using cygwin |
03:03:27 | Topy44 | i have a very very slow computer, yes :) (using vmware though) |
03:03:49 | Topy44 | might aswell throw out all these useless plugins while i'm at it... |
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03:08:39 | jac0b | can anyone give me some pointers on encoding for the gigabeat in linux |
03:08:50 | jac0b | like what settings they use |
03:08:52 | krazykit | jac0b, encoding what |
03:09:00 | jac0b | videos |
03:09:09 | krazykit | i just use winff with the gigabeat preset. |
03:09:18 | jac0b | linux |
03:09:30 | krazykit | winff runs on linux. |
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03:09:39 | jac0b | really |
03:09:59 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, i can not mount the device , so how can i Only copy .mi4 files to the recovery partition. |
03:10:04 | jac0b | I see win so I think its windows |
03:10:29 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, can you get the player into recovery mode? |
03:10:41 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, yes |
03:11:00 | krazykit | plug in the USB cable after putting it into recovery mode. you should then be able to mount the recovery partition |
03:11:35 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, the problem is my freind has the device with him |
03:12:37 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, if the device /dev/sda1 how i can mount that partition |
03:13:02 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/somewhere |
03:13:29 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, |
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03:13:58 | LinuxMafia | thanks |
03:18:52 | LinuxMafia | .mi4 file ? |
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03:19:28 | krazykit | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
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03:19:39 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, get the .mi4 for your player. one of the e200 ones |
03:19:54 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, thanks so much |
03:20:26 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, you'll need to reinstall the rockbox bootloader after this if you want to continue using rockbox |
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03:21:00 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, he can not mount it |
03:22:26 | krazykit | LinuxMafia, if recovery mode was successful and he's now in the original firmware, he may need to put it into MSC mode in the options. |
03:23:02 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, no he can not mount recovery partition |
03:23:16 | krazykit | any error, specifically? |
03:23:47 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, he is noob in linux too , so he can not find out the device |
03:23:54 | LinuxMafia | i told him look at dmesg |
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03:24:52 | krazykit | honestly, i can't help then. this is basic operating system knowledge at this point. Gnome and KDE both should discover and allow you to mount the recovery partition. beyond that, it's not really a rockbox problem: it's a learn-to-use-your-computer problem. |
03:26:01 | LinuxMafia | krazykit, thanks i know i am helping him with that |
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03:30:35 | jac0b | winff just freezes when I try to encode videos |
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03:31:28 | krazykit | jac0b, run it from a terminal and see if it spews any error messages |
03:32:19 | jac0b | when I click convert it gives this "/bin/sh: /usr/bin/xterm: not found" |
03:32:49 | jac0b | do I need to install xterm |
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03:34:12 | krazykit | jac0b, it seems that way. i guess winff assumes you have xterm installed. |
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03:42:11 | countrymonkey | Here yall! |
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03:45:24 | countrymonkey | anyone here |
03:46:28 | krazykit | do you have a question? |
03:47:18 | countrymonkey | Just watching. I am bored. Just want to see what yall are up to |
03:47:55 | countrymonkey | But come to think of it. Yes. If I switch to the next track and go back within about a second, my dap freeses. Why? |
03:48:16 | krazykit | countrymonkey, are you using the latest build? that sounds like an old MoB bug |
03:48:49 | countrymonkey | This is nex->back. The old one was back beyond buffir. |
03:49:04 | krazykit | are you using the latest build? |
03:49:20 | countrymonkey | A few revs back. |
03:49:59 | countrymonkey | About 15799 |
03:50:41 | krazykit | that's over 100 revisions behind. update and try again. |
03:51:10 | countrymonkey | These things happen fast. Let me update... |
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03:52:39 | Topy44 | *yawn* its rather tiresome waiting for these builds really... |
03:52:50 | countrymonkey | Hold on a sec |
03:54:00 | countrymonkey | What builds? |
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03:56:25 | countrymonkey | updating |
03:57:34 | countrymonkey | Testing |
03:57:47 | krazykit | honestly, we don't need updates while you do it. just the results. |
03:58:32 | countrymonkey | fixed. Just wanted you to know I didn't disappear. |
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04:00:13 | countrymonkey | I want rb to time my workouts. Is there some plugin or another that could do that? I already use it to play music during workouts. |
04:01:25 | krazykit | countrymonkey, there's a stopwatch. |
04:01:51 | countrymonkey | I forgot, needs to play sound when time is up. |
04:03:27 | krazykit | i'm not aware of any such plugin, though it shouldn't be difficult to code. either write it yourself or file a feature request and hope someone fills it. |
04:04:30 | countrymonkey | Is it the type of feature request that will get rejected immidiately? I know some are like that. |
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04:05:04 | krazykit | countrymonkey, no, i can see it being useful. if someone is sufficiently interested, it's likely to be included if done well |
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04:07:44 | countrymonkey | There |
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04:10:55 | countrymonkey | be right back |
04:18:11 | countrymonkey | Why is nobody talking? |
04:18:47 | krazykit | this channel isn't always active. stay on topic. |
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04:23:03 | keanu|afk | The web version of SVN is down, in case nobody noticed ;) |
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04:40:55 | Topy44 | hm... was the recording histogram removed in the last few months? (or did i add it myself back then? i really cant remember...) |
04:42:05 | countrymonkey | You added it yourself it is a patch. |
04:43:35 | Topy44 | hm, ok. i somehow thought to remember that it was commited at some point |
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05:02:36 | Topy44 | uuh, the histogram doesnt get close to work properly anymore... i'll update |
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06:28:26 | Llorean | I *think* that the very newest C200 firmwares attempt to automatically choose between MTP and MSC depending on the host. |
06:29:08 | Llorean | That might also be why the filesystem sometimes mounts as read-only on linux computers: An artifact of whatever else the C200 is trying to do. |
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07:09:54 | Topy44 | hm, i'm getting a lot of "gui_syncsplash" warnings |
07:10:07 | Topy44 | what is its expected syntax? |
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07:14:20 | rvvs89_ | 'lo |
07:14:25 | rvvs89_ | It's rvvs89 here from work |
07:15:57 | rvvs89_ | I have a customer here from the gravity discovery centre in Western Australia who needs an mp3 player with an fm radio for a very specific purpose in their discovery centre\ |
07:16:45 | rvvs89_ | I recommended the sansa e200 because she could potentially install a modified version of Rockbox on it to tailor it to the needs of the discovery centre |
07:17:06 | rvvs89_ | If you guys have any suggestions for development or for a different player please let me know :) |
07:17:33 | rvvs89_ | ie, if anyone is possibly interested in creating a custom build of rockbox for them, please let me know |
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07:38:01 | Topy44 | damnit... i can get it to compile, but i cannot remember what i did back then to get the histogram working |
07:38:20 | Topy44 | i have my old build here which works fine, but its a 8 months outdated build |
07:38:38 | Topy44 | and i dont have the source from then anymore |
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07:50:35 | alienbiker99 | is it safe to install the sansa e200 1.02.18 OF? |
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07:54:00 | Agrajag__ | Hey guys. Anyone on? I seem to have managed to get my iPod Photo in a state where it won't boot RB any longer! Any idea what might have happened? I switched over to the default firmware to check something and now it won't get out of that mode. |
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07:59:00 | alienbiker99 | its safe to install. |
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08:03:26 | Llorean | rvvs89_: My recommendation for a player with an FM radio would actually be an H120/140 if you can find it. More user-serviceable and better battery life. |
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08:20:00 | amiconn | Llorean, rvvs89: H3x0, X5 or X5L would also be an option (not X5V or M5) |
08:26:20 | rvvs89_ | Thanks, I'll pass that on |
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08:53:59 | woodensoul | I'm looking to update my Gigabeat with an 80GB drive. According to the HardDriveReplacement wiki, the MK8007GAH will work, but they are scarce on eBay. Anyone know where to find one? |
08:57:54 | phr__ | http://www.google.com/search?q=MK8007GAH |
08:58:51 | woodensoul | Well I tried that. |
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08:59:43 | woodensoul | $500? |
08:59:49 | opus | hello all. I'm William Thomas, and I am asking for write permissions to the Wiki, so I can upload a theme. |
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09:02:00 | woodensoul | I can't give permission, but what target is the theme for? |
09:04:45 | aliask | opus: Give me a second and I'll add you |
09:06:11 | aliask | opus: Should work now |
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09:09:24 | opus | I'm porting the Pen&Paper Theme to the Sansa E200's |
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09:18:51 | woodensoul | with album art or no? |
09:19:06 | woodensoul | by the way, my sansa has been locking up with recent builds for no apparent reason |
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09:51:39 | markun | the forums just stopped working :( |
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09:52:46 | Llorean | As always. |
09:53:04 | * | amiconn finds it more annoying that ViewVC still doesn't werk :( |
09:53:14 | amiconn | Forums are kinda boring... ;) |
09:53:24 | Llorean | I'm more irritated by the failure of ViewVC too. |
09:53:33 | Llorean | I don't mind the forums being silent for a while at all. ;) |
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09:53:54 | markun | Llorean: I just want to post my message and then I stop caring as well :) |
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09:54:51 | woodensoul | Did you guys see my question on where to find an 80GB hard drive for the Gigabeat F. Scarce on eBay. |
09:55:15 | Llorean | woodensoul: You pretty much just have to spend time looking. I don't think there's any reliable/good source |
09:55:32 | markun | Llorean: there are people using old forum posts to install rockbox on their gigabeats and thereby screwing up :( |
09:56:08 | mrkiko | Llorean: would be reasonable to give woodensoul these recommendations; 1 - See the hard disk name in some way, in Linux I can use hddtemp; 2 - Try to go to the manufacturer's site... |
09:56:34 | woodensoul | I can see the model name on the HardDriveReplacement wiki page. |
09:56:42 | mrkiko | i.e.: my iRiver reports a toshiba **** |
09:56:51 | Llorean | mrkiko: He's looking for an upgraded HD, so the current one doesn't matter. |
09:57:04 | Llorean | Only the connector and physical dimensions do. |
09:57:11 | Llorean | markun: That's no good. |
09:57:29 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Any reason Dithering isn't enabled by default in mpegplayer (or better yet, not an option)? |
09:57:44 | mrkiko | Llorean: but he can find easily hard drives with the same pysical size but different capability. At least this can be done for Toshiba... |
09:58:17 | Llorean | mrkiko: What do you mean by "different capability"? |
09:58:24 | Llorean | As I said, it needs the same connector. |
09:58:37 | markun | Llorean: there was a guy in the installation section who kept saying he downloaded the right bootloader and kept getting "error -2" which doesn't exists in the current bootloader. Now we have another one, luckily he pointed out where he downloaded it from. |
09:58:47 | Llorean | mrkiko: He also stated earlier that he knew which model he was looking for already. So I responded to the fact that HE said which model he wants. |
09:59:06 | Llorean | markun: Is the old bootloader still posted somewhere? |
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09:59:43 | amiconn | Llorean: speed. |
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10:00:15 | Llorean | amiconn: On the few players that it does work on, realtime playback isn't a problem. |
10:00:37 | woodensoul | I just want one that will work, and the most storage possible. |
10:00:45 | Llorean | markun: Have you seen the GigabeatFXPort page lately? I just looked at it and it looks very... overblown, I guess. |
10:00:46 | amiconn | Not with "usual" mpeg video, no. But somewhat might want to play high-bitrate video for whatever reason |
10:01:18 | Llorean | amiconn: On the Gigabeat at least, 1200kbps video still doesn't stuffer at 29.97 fps with Dithering. I think there at least, on-by-default shouldn't be a problem then. |
10:01:37 | Llorean | Which is where dithering offers the most visible improvement in my tests so far, at least. |
10:01:40 | amiconn | Also, some people might prefer the undithered look |
10:01:56 | markun | I prefer the dithered look |
10:02:03 | woodensoul | I just wish I could get my videos converted successfully to put on the Gigabeat. |
10:02:03 | amiconn | Dithering gets rid of the banding, but at the cost of some graininess |
10:02:07 | Llorean | The dithered look offers a very significant improvement in visual quality, I think. |
10:02:19 | markun | woodensoul: which OS are you using? |
10:02:32 | amiconn | We could of course enable the option by default |
10:02:40 | Llorean | Enabling it by default would make me quite happy, I think. |
10:02:51 | amiconn | Btw, on c200, dithering is essentially for free |
10:02:54 | Llorean | I'll drop the "remove the option" suggestion. :) |
10:02:54 | woodensoul | XP |
10:03:00 | Llorean | amiconn: Free? |
10:03:17 | amiconn | It just "fills" the lcd bridge wait time with some useful calculation |
10:03:20 | * | Llorean can't put video on his C200 right now, because windows will only recognize it as an MTP device. |
10:03:37 | markun | non-ordered dithering might look better, but I guess it's out of the question |
10:03:53 | markun | woodensoul: and which options did you try? winff? |
10:03:54 | Llorean | amiconn: The newest C200 firmwares work as a UMS device on my linux machine, and an MTP device under windows, without an option anywhere for me to manually set the USB mode. |
10:04:12 | pixelma | markun: I would have asked why he's following the installation instruction in a forum thread and not the manual... |
10:04:14 | amiconn | Can't you go back to an earlier OF? |
10:04:16 | woodensoul | markun: I've tried the programs and I get errors due to the audio portion of the source videos I have. |
10:04:52 | woodensoul | Yes, WinFF |
10:04:52 | Llorean | amiconn: I haven't tried downgrading yet. I just thought it was interesting to note there's apparently a firmware version out there that you can install Rockbox on from Linux, but not from Windows. |
10:05:02 | markun | woodensoul: which codec do you use for audio? |
10:05:12 | markun | (in the source videos I mean) |
10:05:28 | markun | pixelma: you can still ask him :) (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14375.0) |
10:05:49 | markun | pixelma: I'll edit my post and ask him myself, ok? |
10:06:02 | pixelma | markun: sure :) |
10:06:44 | woodensoul | Not sure markun, ac3? The error I get says something like "can't support more than 2 audio channels" |
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10:07:47 | markun | woodensoul: yes, than you need to downmix the auio to 2 channels |
10:07:49 | pixelma | Llorean: I think I read reports that you can get devices with this firmware into MSC by holding a button during boot (maybe with "hold", don't remember) like the typical sandisk modes...- have you tried? |
10:08:02 | Llorean | woodensoul: add "-ac 2" to the "additional command line parameters" window |
10:08:13 | Llorean | pixelma: No, I haven't tried. |
10:08:40 | woodensoul | I'll try that, brb |
10:08:48 | amiconn | Hmmmrrrmmm |
10:08:57 | amiconn | This PP5002 bug is annoying :( |
10:09:21 | amiconn | My last build is finally a working one, after many intermediate ones which crashed |
10:09:46 | amiconn | New one is r15923, last working one was r15871 |
10:09:48 | woodensoul | My sansa has been crashing lately. |
10:11:11 | Llorean | pixelma: I'll try to figure it out once the forums are responding regularly again, and I can track down one of those posts. It sounds familiar |
10:11:30 | woodensoul | Aw crap, I can't attempt to convert the .avi now since Exact Audio Copy is ripping a CD and it doesn't allow windows to see another disc inserted. |
10:12:31 | amiconn | It sure does. Just autorun is disabled |
10:12:32 | Llorean | pixelma: Hah, "Mini-B->Device Mode" |
10:12:32 | Llorean | Turn on hold, hold down Rec, insert USB, and press Power. |
10:12:32 | amiconn | ...which anyone should disable completely for safety reason on windows, imho |
10:12:39 | woodensoul | not in my experience amiconn |
10:13:14 | Llorean | No, that's recovery |
10:13:14 | Llorean | Just with a new name now |
10:13:15 | Llorean | =/ |
10:13:16 | woodensoul | As long as EAC is running I can't see the contents of the data DVD I just inserted in another DVD drive. |
10:14:14 | Llorean | pixelma: there's a key combination to reformat the device, it seems. |
10:14:20 | amiconn | That's odd... can't verify this here (my laptop only has a single drive) |
10:14:26 | pixelma | Llorean: oh |
10:14:30 | amiconn | Anyway, ripping shouldn't take too long :) |
10:14:49 | Llorean | pixelma: I haven't found the one for MSC yet. :) |
10:14:53 | mrkiko | rockbox respects copyright, us not.. .:) |
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10:16:00 | pixelma | Llorean: there was someone with a c200 who accidentally formatted his device (and that damaged it), he asked me if I knew the key combination so he can avoid it (on his replacement c200) |
10:17:06 | Llorean | pixelma: Turn on Hold, hold down "Play/Pause" and press the power button |
10:18:01 | pixelma | ah, thanks. All these modes and secret features of Sandisk are a bit weird... |
10:18:36 | mrkiko | Llorean: when you format a C2000, is it permanently damaged? Will you be able to boot it again? |
10:18:52 | mrkiko | Do someone know about H3xx secrets? I'll google a bit later... |
10:19:37 | woodensoul | Do you guys know how to get the presets to work with .31 version of WinFF? |
10:19:54 | Llorean | mrkiko: As long as you use the C200's firmware format option, it'll be fine |
10:20:03 | pixelma | mrkiko: usually it shouldn't do harm (except you're losing the files on it). It's something the original firmware provides and I think they didn't include a self-destruct... ;) |
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10:20:30 | Llorean | pixelma: The method for e200s without the option going into MSC won't work for my c200 at least |
10:20:43 | Llorean | woodensoul: Just download the older version of WinFF, or try to import them |
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10:21:19 | mrkiko | pixelma: I think this also, but sometimes logic can't be used. Nokia 7110 had a self-destruct key combination, for example :) |
10:21:21 | pixelma | Llorean: I search a bit, think I saw the claim in our forums |
10:21:37 | Llorean | pixelma: no, I found the claim in the forums |
10:21:41 | Llorean | It's a little unclear, got it working |
10:21:59 | Llorean | Boot the OF. Once the OF is running, turn on Hold, hold down |<<, and insert USB |
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10:24:47 | Llorean | Seriously though, was a menu option "too easy"? Or did they just decide nobody needs MSC mode in windows, and it's a legacy option for other OSes only? |
10:25:33 | pixelma | those Sandisk options and modes are obsessive... |
10:25:42 | pixelma | oi... thanks for testing. Should that be in the manual or rather a recommendation to downgrade? And if the latter - I wanted to link to the wiki for the downgrade instructions which currently on the SansaC200Port page - should they be split out onto an own page? |
10:26:06 | woodensoul | WinFF seems to be working now with those additional parameters. Did you guys find out about that recently because I asked a while ago, but no one knew. |
10:26:12 | Llorean | pixelma: I'd rather not suggest downgrading |
10:26:39 | Llorean | Downgrading, if done by someone not careful, results in a brick. Trying to enter MSC mode, if done by someone not careful, results in Sansapatcher saying "no sansas found", which is non fatal at least. |
10:26:56 | Llorean | woodensoul: I'm pretty sure I told you in a forum thread ages ago |
10:27:34 | woodensoul | I don't think I posted a thread about it though. |
10:27:39 | Llorean | Well, I told someone about it |
10:27:45 | Llorean | So a search of the forums would probably turn it up. |
10:27:53 | woodensoul | Maybe I tried it and it didn't work for me then... but it seems to be working now. |
10:28:19 | woodensoul | What's the size end up for an hour and a half movie? |
10:28:35 | Llorean | I don't remember with the old presets. |
10:28:41 | woodensoul | for the gigabeat F |
10:28:43 | Llorean | I'm working on new ones right now, actually. |
10:28:53 | pixelma | Llorean: just thought it would also save them trouble later when putting music on it. I don't know what restrictions (or not) there are in MTP mode - or they would have to use the above sequence each time for MSC mode. At least until our own USB stack is fully working... |
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10:29:13 | Llorean | A two hour movie came out to 250-350mb for me with my newer settings, and actually looks as good or better than the old ones (it's smaller than the old ones got) |
10:29:33 | woodensoul | great |
10:29:48 | Llorean | pixelma: True, they'd have to use the key sequence every time they wanted to transfer music. MTP renames them, similar to how the Apple firmware does, I think. At least, it renamed my "data storage" files |
10:30:45 | woodensoul | maybe the wiki should be updated to mention that parameter to get it to work |
10:30:54 | Llorean | Go ahead |
10:31:11 | woodensoul | If I knew more about why it worked, I would. |
10:31:22 | Llorean | Simple |
10:31:32 | Llorean | MP3 doesn't work with more than 2 channel audio |
10:31:43 | Llorean | -ac 2 means "reduce it to 2 channels" |
10:32:09 | amiconn | There is actually a multichannel extension for mpeg audio |
10:32:22 | amiconn | But only few pc based encoders and decoders support that |
10:32:43 | Llorean | I could include forcing two channels in the next set of presets |
10:32:57 | Llorean | But I wanted to leave it "as source" on the assumption that people might also feed it videos with mono audio. |
10:33:02 | woodensoul | good idea |
10:33:07 | amiconn | The bitstream, howver, is backwards compatible, as the extra channels are put into the auxiliary data |
10:33:23 | Llorean | And that people providing 5.1 content would be able to figure the error message, since I didn't find it a confusing message. |
10:33:31 | woodensoul | "good idea oh lord" |
10:33:37 | woodensoul | "of course it's a good idea!" |
10:33:51 | Llorean | amiconn: But lame can't encode these? |
10:33:58 | woodensoul | "stop groveling" |
10:34:01 | amiconn | I don't think so |
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10:34:49 | woodensoul | hey Llorean, what's the battery life for videos on your gigabeat? |
10:34:55 | amiconn | My old DVD player had mpeg multichannel support. It's one of the optional DVD audio formats |
10:34:59 | Llorean | Dunno |
10:35:10 | Llorean | 4 hours maybe? |
10:35:25 | amiconn | Not sure whether my current one supports it - probably does though |
10:35:54 | Llorean | We have an AC3 codec in Rockbox right? |
10:36:01 | amiconn | yes |
10:36:13 | Llorean | Does it support multichannel downmixing? |
10:36:18 | amiconn | yes |
10:36:22 | woodensoul | all I've ever watched is elephants dream |
10:36:22 | Llorean | Interesting. |
10:37:14 | woodensoul | not really, i didn't even see any elephants in it |
10:37:39 | woodensoul | but there's a skinny guy |
10:37:46 | Llorean | woodensoul: Honestly, try to stay Rockbox related. |
10:38:23 | Llorean | amiconn: Could you guess how fast it is relative to other codecs, or should I rip a sample and test it? |
10:38:39 | amiconn | Do you mean decoding in rockbox? |
10:38:43 | Llorean | Yeah |
10:38:56 | woodensoul | Right, I now remember seeing "Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-communi" |
10:39:01 | amiconn | Decoding 2.0 is very fast. Faster than mp3 |
10:39:17 | amiconn | Decoding 5.1 is somewhat slower due to the downmixing |
10:39:22 | Llorean | Understandably |
10:39:23 | amiconn | Note that my tests are ooold |
10:39:40 | Llorean | And very little optimization has probably been done, ever, for say ARM. Heh. |
10:39:47 | amiconn | Is there a publicly available encoder? |
10:39:53 | preglow | ac3 is pretty fast |
10:40:01 | preglow | still room for lots of optimization, though, it's just a pretty simple codec |
10:40:03 | * | amiconn just used tracks ripped from dvd for testing |
10:40:37 | Llorean | I don't know if there's a publicly available decoder. |
10:40:44 | preglow | encoder, you mean? |
10:40:46 | preglow | plenty of decoders |
10:40:47 | Llorean | Encoder |
10:40:48 | Llorean | Yeah |
10:40:50 | Llorean | Can't type |
10:41:00 | amiconn | preglow: Btw, interestingly, my test album encoded with vorbis (aotuv) q5 ends up smaller than musepack q5 |
10:41:06 | amiconn | Is this expected? |
10:43:44 | Llorean | woodensoul: Okay, a video encoded from a DVD source, instead of a high definition source, came to 400MB for 1:45 movie. |
10:44:13 | woodensoul | With the new presets? |
10:44:21 | pixelma | Llorean: (sorry for the late reply) maybe mention both (key sequence and downgrade), stressing that a downgrade is potentially dangerous if they don't follow the instructions by word - and let them decide? |
10:44:39 | Llorean | pixelma: Sounds good to me. |
10:44:42 | Llorean | woodensoul: Yes. |
10:45:03 | woodensoul | Are you working on them for the newer version of WinFF? |
10:45:30 | pixelma | Llorean: alright. Thanks for your opinion. :) |
10:45:34 | Llorean | Right now they're just command line parameters for ffmpeg. I'll adapt them into presets for whatever version of WinFF is the current one once I'm happy with them. |
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10:45:52 | Llorean | The quality may still be higher than strictly necessary. |
10:45:58 | preglow | amiconn: well, quality factor interpretation will vary from encoder to encoder, so yeah, it's equally like to end up bigger |
10:47:04 | pixelma | Llorean: you have the 1.01.06 firmware version, right? Do you know if it works on 1.01.05 too (i.e. does the forum post mention it perhaps)? |
10:47:05 | woodensoul | The screens are so small, that it seems you could get away with pretty low quality and not notice. |
10:47:30 | Llorean | pixelma: I don't think the forum post I found was specific, but I'm pretty sure I read at ABi or somewhere that it works with .05 |
10:47:52 | pixelma | nice, thanks again |
10:48:25 | woodensoul | So the iPod Video has the 2nd best mpegplayer performance? |
10:48:42 | Llorean | woodensoul: The Gigabeat screen (and iPod Video) are fairly large. I mean, if I encode the same video for the c200, it's a mere 187mb, and 65% of that is just audio. |
10:48:51 | Llorean | No, the iPod Video has pretty bad performance. |
10:49:08 | Llorean | It's not terrible any more, but I wouldn't call it 2nd best. Where did you get that from? |
10:49:19 | woodensoul | well the gigabeat is easily the best |
10:49:30 | woodensoul | wiki page for pluginmpegplayer |
10:49:42 | woodensoul | i guess the sansa e200 is better than the ipod video by a hair |
10:49:48 | Llorean | Yes, look at the difference in revisions for those tests, though |
10:50:35 | Llorean | The tests are pretty invalid for comparison because many come before certain optimizations that a few come after. |
10:50:39 | woodensoul | They aren't the same... I never did know what the revision number actually means though. Is the higher number a later version? |
10:51:01 | Llorean | Yes, higher numbers are newer versions of Rockbox. |
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10:54:26 | mrkiko | and so rockbox development is being managed with git instead of svn? |
10:55:25 | pixelma | Llorean: a different thing, are there more buttonlight ("button light" ?) options in the system options than just the timeout like with the Sansa? |
10:55:48 | markun | mrkiko: no, it uses svn |
10:55:59 | Llorean | pixelma: I'm not sure what you're asking? More button light options for what? |
10:56:24 | pixelma | argh, missed to type "gigabeat"... ;) |
10:56:43 | markun | mrkiko: although some people use git for their private tree (like me) |
10:56:57 | Llorean | pixelma: Just timeout and brightness. |
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10:57:15 | Llorean | pixelma: Which is odd, because I think there's two separate sets of buttonlights that can be controlled indepedently. |
10:57:19 | pixelma | ah, so there is one other option - brightness |
10:57:44 | woodensoul | Oooo, aaaah... |
10:58:02 | * | woodensoul is finally watching a video trancoded through WinFF. |
10:58:11 | Llorean | woodensoul: Make sure to turn on Dithering. |
10:58:14 | woodensoul | thanks Llorean |
10:58:28 | pixelma | Llorean: well, then you could also have two different settings on the c200 - on for the main LEDs under the center button and one for the LED under "menu"... :) |
10:59:07 | woodensoul | where's the dithering option for mpegplayer? I know about the one in the playback menu |
10:59:10 | Llorean | pixelma: One of the "Debug" options for the Gigabeat earlier on was an option to use one of the button lights as a disk activity LED. |
10:59:28 | woodensoul | err sound settings menu |
10:59:31 | Llorean | woodensoul: Just press "Menu" while using it, and choose the top option and it should be under there, iirc. |
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11:00:44 | woodensoul | Sweet, found it. Looks good! |
11:01:33 | pixelma | Llorean: I think I read it was disabled on purpose... |
11:01:35 | woodensoul | Thanks again, I'm off to watch the movie. :-) |
11:02:04 | pixelma | but markun should know better :) |
11:02:18 | Llorean | pixelma: The buttonlight options caused some problems originally. But I wouldn't mind seeing it come back as an option in the future if it can work well. Flickering the "Menu" light on the C200 to show disk activity would be nice too, for database building etc. |
11:04:43 | pixelma | Llorean: yes, I could imagine that very well too. But for now, I just wanted to know what to mention in the manual. I'm working on a few things at the moment... and even if the button light settings are not in their final place, I think they should be mentioned (already have prepared that, but not the brightness part) |
11:05:20 | Llorean | Yeah, definitely should be mentioned as they exist now. |
11:05:24 | Llorean | They can be edited if they change later |
11:05:40 | pixelma | and I need to check whether I broke something in other manuals... |
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11:06:52 | pixelma | the "System Options" chapter in the c200 manual was *very* wrong currently |
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12:20:03 | Domonoky | its broken.. :-/ |
12:21:48 | pixelma | Bagder said Zagor updated it earlier yesterday and this probably broke it |
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12:56:12 | Lear | Anyone who knows how long test_codec has been broken? :) As in not being able to test more than 9 files in a directory. Just curious, as I'm working on a fix... |
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12:58:36 | JamPS | How I get the source? |
12:58:56 | n1s | Lear: the buf report in the tracker is from oct 14... |
12:59:03 | n1s | s/buf/bug |
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13:00:01 | Llorean | JamPS: Download it from the download page, or use SVN? |
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13:00:19 | JamPS | How about svn? |
13:00:38 | n1s | JamPS: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=UsingSVN |
13:01:13 | JamPS | hmm thanks, will investigate later :) |
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13:04:14 | RyoS | when i compile a custom build i am better of first testing it in a simulator right? |
13:04:41 | n1s | RyoS: depends on what you changed, really |
13:05:15 | countrymonkey | I always just go to my target, straight away. But that is probably because I only touch apps coad. |
13:05:34 | RyoS | n1s: i am adding some patches from flyspray that are intresting for me |
13:05:34 | n1s | the sim only simulates the apps/ code |
13:05:37 | Llorean | Well, changing firmware code can't really be tested in the sim. |
13:06:07 | countrymonkey | I thought it simulated everything. |
13:06:30 | Llorean | It's a simulator, not an emulator. |
13:06:35 | Llorean | No hardware emulation is done. |
13:06:59 | countrymonkey | I always mix up the 2. |
13:07:07 | Llorean | If we had emulators, you wouldn't need to pick a different compile target. You'd compile the emulator once, then make a normal build each time and just copy it to the emulator. |
13:07:11 | RyoS | haha ok i get it |
13:07:26 | RyoS | so what if i do something wrong? |
13:07:31 | countrymonkey | So that's how you remember the difference. |
13:07:34 | RyoS | will i be able to brick my iaudio? :P |
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13:07:56 | Llorean | RyoS: As long as you don't change/replace the bootloader, no. |
13:08:04 | RyoS | perfect |
13:08:13 | RyoS | i am not planing to change the bootloader i am happy with it :P |
13:08:44 | n1s | iirc iaudio x5/m5 can even recover from a bad bl |
13:08:56 | Llorean | Probably |
13:09:24 | Llorean | But the bootloaders on them are flashed, so it may also be possible to brick it by way of a bootloader if you get clever. I don't know enough to say for sure. :) |
13:09:41 | countrymonkey | No, that is the e200/c200. |
13:09:55 | Llorean | No, the e200/c200 bootloaders are not flashed. |
13:10:09 | Llorean | They're stored in the flash memory, a part of the "disk" as it were. |
13:10:19 | countrymonkey | No, I mean they can recover from bad bls. |
13:10:30 | Llorean | Almost all of the Rockbox players can. |
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13:10:52 | countrymonkey | How do you recover from a bad bl on the ipods? |
13:10:55 | LinuxMafia | is there a way to make sansa e200 like the beining ? |
13:11:18 | Llorean | LinuxMafia: Just follow the uninstall instructions in the manual |
13:11:27 | Llorean | countrymonkey: There's a Manual Restore page in the wiki for them |
13:12:19 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, i can not mount the filesystem |
13:12:24 | countrymonkey | ok. I'm just scared. I like patches so much that one of these days I'll get carried away and patch the bootloader. hopefully that won't happen. |
13:13:00 | Llorean | LinuxMafia: Boot into Recovery mode, and copy over an original firmware MI4 file |
13:14:03 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, yeah i did that , but now it says no space |
13:14:24 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, and music folders everything is empty |
13:14:47 | Llorean | "says no space" <- What says no space, and what exactly does it say? |
13:14:58 | Llorean | If you can boot into the original firmware, use the reformat option. |
13:15:23 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, it is in options? |
13:15:38 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, i can get to original firmware |
13:16:04 | Llorean | It's somewhere in the options of the original firmware. |
13:16:13 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, thanks so much |
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13:25:18 | jharu | hey there everyone!! im a new owner of a sansa e260 mp(3 or 4) and i just wanna ask bagder (so many people call him badger...) on any news on stability of rbx in the sansa v1 models in terms of audio, picts and video. ive read the manual and the devt forums but it left me in a daze so can you help? |
13:26:22 | Llorean | Did you have any specific question? |
13:26:25 | jharu | also kudos on the sansa devt team |
13:27:43 | JamPS | works fine on my e280 |
13:28:09 | jharu | errm what audio files does it support. also in video and does it play mpeg files at the stated 30 fps? and also can it change pic orientation? |
13:28:35 | JamPS | there's a list somewhere. Most notably mp3, ogg & flac. |
13:28:41 | JamPS | and sids too :o |
13:29:04 | jharu | whats a sids? |
13:29:24 | JamPS | I've got HVSC Top 100 on my player =) Commandore-64 music files |
13:29:26 | Llorean | jharu: It supports all the audio files Rockbox supports, though Ape doesn't play at full speed. |
13:29:38 | Llorean | jharu: It plays video at or faster than the speeds listed on the PluginMpegplayer page. |
13:29:55 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, did u mean ResetAll ? i can not find reformat |
13:29:55 | Llorean | And I don't know what you mean by "change pic orientation", rockbox still displays in a portrait orientation. |
13:30:12 | Llorean | LinuxMafia: Perhaps the e200s don't have it. Are you using the newest e200 firmware? |
13:30:46 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, i am not sure |
13:30:48 | jharu | then how do i limit fps? also what i mean is can i rotate a ie jpeg file in landscape view? |
13:31:07 | Llorean | jharu: Please, read the documentation. There's a "limit fps" option... |
13:31:16 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, have to install it? |
13:32:22 | Llorean | LinuxMafia: I don't know. As I said, perhaps the e200s don't have it. As you don't have Rockbox installed, why not simply contact Sandisk support? |
13:33:24 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, the problem is this is my friend's ,and i dont have the device with me , my device works perect , i also have e200 |
13:33:36 | LinuxMafia | perfect* |
13:34:14 | Llorean | Then tell your friend to contact Sandisk... |
13:34:20 | jharu | errrr again how stable is rbx since im afraid to brick my sansa. also using fw 1.??.18a i think. does it create conflicts with the rbx |
13:34:57 | Llorean | jharu: It's about a 9.2 on the stability scale. I mean, in all seriousness, what are you asking? |
13:35:07 | n1s | jharu: if you follow the instructions the risk or bricking is basically 0 |
13:35:11 | Llorean | "Will it damage my device?" "Can it damage my device?" "If I do something stupid myself, can I damage my device?" |
13:35:57 | advcomp2019 | jharu, plus it is hard to brick the e200 too |
13:36:37 | jharu | firmware conflicts using the abovementioned update (1.??.18a cant remember the complete code) |
13:36:50 | countrymonkey | I don't have one, but I thought those things were easybrick targets. |
13:37:01 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, there is a .fmt file i think meant to format |
13:37:20 | Llorean | LinuxMafia: I've given you what advice I can. |
13:37:33 | Llorean | countrymonkey: No. They're VERY hard to brick. |
13:37:46 | LinuxMafia | Llorean, thanks so much |
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13:37:56 | Llorean | countrymonkey: Nobody's actually bricked one. They do allow the user a lot of freedom to ignore our warnings, do something stupid, and require reinstallation of the original firmware. |
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13:38:45 | countrymonkey | wow |
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13:41:00 | jharu | i know its hard to brick a sansa so i chose it over some well konown brand that rips you of your money. but then still what firmware does rockbox work best with? i heard from the abi forum that its 15a but i wanna make sure before i do any downgrading |
13:41:31 | Llorean | As long as you can install Rockbox, it doesn't care what firmware you have installed |
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13:41:52 | Llorean | Rockbox runs completely independently, so the only time a firmware would be a problem is if it prevents Rockbox from installing by tinkering with the USB modes. |
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13:45:12 | jharu | ermm i usually use msc since i dont sync. and also can rbx play pics and videos stored in microsd? and also do i still need to convert pics and vids to the standard res of my sansa coz i checked the pdf but it doesnt (or maybe i didnt saw it) say athing about changing resolutions |
13:46:14 | pixelma | Llorean, n1s: I'm almost finished with the changes necessary for the system options chapter. Unfortunately something's broken in the ondio manuals and I gotta leave. Don't know when I'll be able to commit it (hopefully soon). |
13:46:36 | n1s | pixelma: nice :) |
13:47:00 | Llorean | jharu: Yes, it treats the microsd card as just another folder on the disk, so no special restrictions apply to it really. You do not need to convert pics, but if you want them to fit the screen, you should. You will need to convert videos, because it's too slow to scale them and they need to be in a specific format. |
13:47:35 | pixelma | n1s: wanted to talk to you about the new options but as I said - no time |
13:48:14 | n1s | pixelma: I'll probably be around more in a couple of days, one last exam before christams |
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13:48:48 | pixelma | alright |
13:49:27 | pixelma | Llorean: if you find some time, could you look at your todo list again (re. description of the c200)? ;) |
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13:49:51 | jharu | what format would you recommend best for vid? also if my pic isviewed as landscape that means i should rotate it first before putting it on my player? or does rbx handles it automatically? |
13:49:59 | Llorean | pixelma: It's still on the list, don't worry. I actually have a todo text document. :) |
13:50:13 | Llorean | jharu: Exactly what is necessary is explained on the PluginMpegplayer page, which I've already referenced you to once. |
13:50:29 | pixelma | :) ...bye! |
13:50:29 | Llorean | As for rotation of jpegs, I think you'll have to do it manually |
13:50:37 | Llorean | I've never tested. |
13:51:13 | pixelma | you can't do it on the player yet (although the wish is sometimes expressed here to implement it) |
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14:19:30 | jharu | looking at the themes i saw a vklix theme with a "kugel build" which means what exactly? |
14:20:04 | Llorean | "Builds" are customized versions of Rockbox other people make. We don't offer support for those, as they're not all our code. |
14:21:01 | jharu | so that may brick my unit in any case? |
14:21:36 | Llorean | Probably not. |
14:21:56 | Llorean | As I said earlier, nobody's actually _bricked_ an e200 yet anyway |
14:24:09 | jharu | is it true the mpeg player of official build lacks seeking and resume play? |
14:25:06 | jharu | looked at it in abi forum |
14:25:24 | Llorean | There's no seeking in any mpegplayer version. |
14:25:33 | Llorean | But the official one lets you pick a start time, and features resume. |
14:25:52 | Llorean | This TOO is on the PluginMpegplayer page... |
14:31:41 | Axio | I have a little request : is it possible to have support for ipod scroll acceleration in brickmania ? |
14:33:05 | Llorean | The rate at which the paddle moves is part of the gameplay mechanic. Making the paddle move faster would break the game. |
14:33:20 | Llorean | But, either way, feature requests belong in the feature request tracker. |
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14:34:52 | Axio | ok i asked because it is in apple firmware |
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14:36:25 | jharu | so that means it may not work with the offical build, the themes i mean |
14:36:38 | Llorean | Yes |
14:36:55 | Llorean | It means it almost certainly won't work with the official one. |
14:37:59 | * | madspin wonders how hard it would be to write a "white noise" plugin for rockbox... |
14:38:16 | Llorean | Why? |
14:38:29 | madspin | Llorean: sound masking - noisy neighbours ;) |
14:39:03 | madspin | would save downloading a 8 hours FLAC or WAV file to the device ;) |
14:39:04 | Llorean | Why not just generate some white noise with a tool, and play that file then? |
14:39:16 | Llorean | Why do you need 8 hours? Couldn't you do 10 minutes and loop? |
14:39:34 | madspin | Llorean: if you loop, you hear the looping apparantly |
14:39:58 | Llorean | You've tested this? |
14:40:02 | Llorean | On a Rockbox player? |
14:40:38 | madspin | Hmmmm. I would have to say not yet - I think perhaps this applies to CDs more... :| |
14:40:39 | * | n1s added a whitenoise generator to preglow's signal_gen plugin a while ago... |
14:40:45 | n1s | not hard at all |
14:41:13 | Llorean | I wouldn't expect a CD player to gaplessly repeat past the end of the disk. |
14:41:39 | madspin | ok n1s, is signal_gen available for rockbox? |
14:42:19 | n1s | no he hasn't released it yet but I guess i can give you the code and you can build your own |
14:42:30 | jharu | and there was that attractive theme built for kugel... errr is it safe to use the unofficial ones? and can i put personal themes on the official ones |
14:42:47 | madspin | thanks n1s, that would be great! I just need to install a cross compiler .. |
14:44:39 | madspin | Llorean: It is still possible to tell that it is looping apparantly, it is a quality of white noise.. |
14:45:25 | Llorean | madspin: I would think that white noise played gaplessly should be very hard to notice looping. But that would've been my guess. |
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14:45:34 | Llorean | And crossfading would probably make it harder. |
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14:45:42 | n1s | madspin: http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/signal_gen.c you'll probably need to do some changes to let it go for longer than 120 seconds |
14:45:54 | madspin | Llorean: yeah I would be my guess too... |
14:47:33 | countrymonkey | What target does it compile for/where is the docs/what changes need to be made to signal_gen? |
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14:48:44 | jharu | again is it possible to create personalized themes for the official rockbox |
14:48:56 | countrymonkey | yes it is |
14:50:11 | jharu | whew, satisfied and sated. im now a rockbox convert! |
14:51:00 | countrymonkey | What target do you have? |
14:52:42 | jharu | errrr i dont know what that means........ but i go for asian anime probably naruto theme |
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14:53:50 | countrymonkey | Target is rockbox lingo for type of mp3 player |
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14:54:25 | jharu | its sansa e200 (e260v1) |
14:55:31 | countrymonkey | Just out of curiosity. |
14:55:38 | countrymonkey | cool |
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14:56:34 | jharu | im lookin and gettin confused at creating wps files. i do know c/c++ but it was ages ago since i used the lingo. and thanks monkey, what helped me decide to buy this is abi and rockbox |
14:57:01 | countrymonkey | what's abi? |
14:57:20 | Llorean | jharu: You don't need any C/C++ for WPS design |
14:57:25 | countrymonkey | And wps is not c or c++ at all. |
14:57:25 | Llorean | See the CustomWPS wiki page. |
14:58:42 | jharu | anything but ipod = abi. thanks checkin the wiki rigth now |
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15:05:31 | jharu | cant find the how to make yer own theme wiki.... help... |
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15:05:49 | Nico_P | Domonoky: I still can't compile rbutil, but not fo the same reaosn as before |
15:06:07 | Llorean | jharu: I told you, it's on the page named CustomWPS |
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15:06:23 | Llorean | You can type that in the go to box. |
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15:12:20 | jharu | is it possible to recreate that circling gui on the orig. firmware with a better transition? i kinda like its style. |
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15:15:31 | jharu | is it possible to recreate that circling gui on the orig. firmware on rockbox with a better transition? or are we stuck with the scroll type gui? |
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15:16:45 | Bagder | anything is possible |
15:16:54 | Bagder | just write the code |
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15:18:52 | countrymonkey | What is holding up 8219? |
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15:19:49 | Llorean | countrymonkey: The fact that everybody's volunteers, and people don't have much time to look at patches anyway. |
15:19:55 | Moobeys | hai everybody |
15:20:07 | jharu | do we have the sample code for that? i was reading the dev thread but its too long to search the code for the gui. anybody can give me the raw and ill give it a crack using the sim/emu. |
15:20:38 | Moobeys | I have a problem. I cannot find Rockbox for Toshiba gigabeat F series |
15:20:44 | Llorean | jharu: What sample code? You'd have to come up with your own algorithm... |
15:20:53 | Llorean | Moobeys: It's right there on the current build page... |
15:21:11 | Moobeys | Ok i will check againg. thankyou |
15:21:38 | jharu | also will it work using borland c? or do i have to use linux (i dont know linux) |
15:22:18 | Llorean | You need to use gcc and a linux-like environment (cygwin will do) |
15:22:21 | Moobeys | I see it now thankyou Llorean |
15:22:44 | Moobeys | When i heard about this a almost crapped my pants |
15:22:57 | jharu | gcc? ill look for cygwin here.... |
15:23:04 | Moobeys | i had the screen on my gigabeat cracked for a couple years now |
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15:23:16 | Moobeys | im gonna go get it fixed now just so i can use rockbox on it :P |
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15:23:58 | countrymonkey | DOn't get it fixed. You can use voice |
15:24:40 | Moobeys | Voice? |
15:25:04 | Moobeys | videos is the main reason why i want to get it fixed and install rockbox :) |
15:25:18 | Moobeys | so i donthink voice will help too much in that area |
15:26:23 | Moobeys | ever since i got my gigabeat a couple years ago i was wondering if there was a program out there that could allow it to play vids and all that |
15:26:30 | Moobeys | Woo viva la rockbox!! |
15:26:53 | Moobeys | thanks guys cya! |
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15:27:05 | jharu | anybody know how to use cygwin? as i said im a noob at linux... any links for tutorials? |
15:28:10 | Llorean | There's a page in the wiki called SimpleGuideToCompiling |
15:28:14 | Llorean | It seems to help a lot of folks |
15:29:57 | countrymonkey | including myself |
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15:32:26 | jharu | and gcc is? (sorry totally win dependent guy...) |
15:33:45 | Llorean | The compiler we use. Specifically we use variants of it to compile code for the processors in the devices |
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15:35:05 | jharu | googling gcc.... |
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15:42:21 | jharu | where is the dload section? kept bumpin to mirrors still no dl here button.... |
15:42:58 | Llorean | What mirrors? Rockbox doesn't have mirrors. |
15:43:35 | jharu | no i mean in the gcc page. cant seem to dl the software. |
15:43:51 | Llorean | Did you read the SimpleGuideToCompiling page? |
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15:43:56 | Llorean | It includes instructions for getting the tools |
15:44:46 | jharu | cant find it. tried using go to but yielded nada... |
15:45:16 | Llorean | Did you type it EXACTLY as I did? |
15:45:20 | Llorean | Including upper and lower case letters? |
15:46:02 | jharu | mirc uses autocopy and i think it doesnt change the spelling ryt? |
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15:46:59 | Llorean | All I know is I just typed it into the GoTo box myself without problems. |
15:47:28 | jharu | mine doest seem to work... ill try again. |
15:47:48 | Llorean | And "Ryt" isn't a word. Is it really too hard to type two more letters? You should get in the habit of using real words around here, because some of our channel regulars aren't native English speakers, and it's harder to "guess the similar word" if you don't speak English natively. |
15:49:26 | jharu | errr sorry bad habit... |
15:51:24 | countrymonkey | What is ryt? I am a native english speaker but I don't understand it still since I am new to irc. |
15:52:02 | DefineByte_ | right, I guess |
15:52:07 | Llorean | It's not an abbreviation. He just meant "right" as far as I can tell. |
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15:53:44 | jharu | correct me if im wrong but is gcc a linux based program? the site just shows pages (assuming) that i have to compile? and yes ryt means rigth using "write what you hear" lingo. |
15:54:36 | Llorean | I told you, simply use the "SimpleGuideToCompiling" page. |
15:54:46 | Llorean | gcc has versions on pretty much any operating system. |
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15:55:20 | Llorean | But you need to set up specialized cross-compiler versions of gcc. Which is why you really need to follow directions specific to Rockbox. |
15:56:44 | jharu | now im really lost... reading the gude still... |
15:57:40 | jharu | how about the vm one? is it user friendly enough to learn? |
15:57:51 | n1s | yes |
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16:01:30 | jharu | ok this will be a hell of a vacation if i made this work! thanks guys |
16:02:39 | jharu | heck! what large files at veeeerrryyy slow tranfer rates.... |
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16:03:35 | DerPapst | oogabooga at all |
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16:05:24 | Nico_P | oogabooga! |
16:09:03 | DerPapst | :-) |
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16:12:21 | countrymonkey | What was that all about? |
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16:14:55 | DerPapst | hey bluebrother :-) |
16:15:02 | bluebrother | hey :) |
16:15:22 | jharu | its the secret handshake of the rockbox clan i pressume (oogabooga???) |
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16:15:31 | DerPapst | yup |
16:16:03 | * | bluebrother prepares a commit |
16:16:22 | bluebrother | btw, viewvc is currently broken ... (but I guess this is already known) |
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16:16:37 | Bagder | it is, yes |
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16:16:49 | Bagder | I'm handing that problem to Zagor |
16:16:52 | jharu | viewvc? |
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16:17:16 | bluebrother | the repository browser thingy |
16:17:36 | Nico_P | Bagder: could you add me to the logbot list? |
16:18:58 | jharu | still confused. |
16:19:27 | DerPapst | about viewvc? |
16:19:29 | krazykit | jharu, i believe it's the web frontend to SVN. |
16:19:30 | countrymonkey | If I took a look at 8219, could it be committed once I said it was through? |
16:20:37 | Nico_P | Bagder: thanks :) |
16:20:41 | jharu | the signs of a noob is showing upon me... |
16:21:01 | bluebrother | viewvc is a web frontend to cvs and svn |
16:21:18 | Nico_P | jharu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ViewVC |
16:21:28 | DerPapst | the thing opn the front page below the headline Subversion |
16:21:38 | DerPapst | if you click on a link there you get an error |
16:21:54 | DerPapst | *on |
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16:23:01 | countrymonkey | 8219 is a lang update. Shouldn't it be committed straight away? |
16:23:36 | krazykit | countrymonkey, of course not. what if strings are improperly translated? |
16:25:51 | countrymonkey | So we need a chinese person to go through the whole patch? |
16:27:47 | countrymonkey | And rasher, your last update column in the language translation tool in your website is broken. |
16:27:53 | countrymonkey | And rasher, your last update column in the language translation tool in your website is broken. |
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16:33:17 | DefineByte | Anyone willing to at fs#8313 and fs#8323 |
16:33:21 | DefineByte | oops |
16:33:22 | * | bluebrother wonders if copying the sapi vbs script makes sense for non-wndows builds at all |
16:33:27 | DefineByte | anyone willing to look at/ |
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16:34:12 | Domonoky | bluebrother: if you find a way to conditionally include it into the resource file.. |
16:34:49 | bluebrother | hmpf. |
16:35:22 | bluebrother | now something is messed up with that copy stuff :( |
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16:36:49 | Domonoky | bluebrother: its just a copy command in the pro file.. |
16:37:08 | bluebrother | Domonoky: I'll check if I find something ... but I should go now |
16:37:12 | * | Domonoky is working on voicefile generation.. in rbutil :-) |
16:37:17 | bluebrother | hope my commit didn't broke anything :) |
16:37:42 | bluebrother | it's really annoying not having a proper internet connection. |
16:37:47 | bluebrother | bye |
16:37:51 | Domonoky | bye |
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16:44:16 | countrymonkey | And rasher, your last update column in the language translation tool in your website is broken.I don't think I am doing it right. What are the steps to build a manual? |
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16:45:14 | krazykit | to build the manual? configure, pick your target, choose "manual" |
16:45:39 | countrymonkey | I have done that. I want an html manual. What is the make command? |
16:47:55 | countrymonkey | I'm going to quit and reboot but please post the answer and I'l tcheck thelogs |
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16:49:10 | krazykit | countrymonkey, read the wiki: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualHowto |
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16:51:46 | jharu | is it possible to create moving icons? as in using gif files or anything the like? |
16:52:39 | jharu | my cuz is a graphic artist so i can ask him to create that kinda stuff but will it work? |
16:52:53 | jharu | cuz=cousin |
16:53:13 | DerPapst | no. |
16:53:18 | markun | jharu: someone would need to add support for it in rockbox |
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16:53:31 | DerPapst | animated gifs can'T be used as icons |
16:54:00 | DerPapst | take a look ar the icons on your dap or rockbox.org to see how they look like |
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16:54:56 | jharu | is there any alternatives? like a looping icon? im looking and it says .ico |
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16:55:18 | markun | jharu: you need to program in C to add support for it |
16:55:46 | DerPapst | well animated icos don't work at all in rockbox yet until someone adds support for them |
16:58:12 | jharu | why not incorporate the gui in of and revise it in rbx? |
16:58:29 | markun | jharu: what do you mean? |
16:59:07 | DerPapst | please... spell out your words.. it's just annoying |
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17:00:03 | jharu | the circling interface used in e200. can we use it as default for the rockbox interface? |
17:00:15 | markun | nope |
17:00:37 | DerPapst | unless you rewrite 40% of rockbox no indeed |
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17:01:17 | markun | jharu: what are the strong points for the e200 gui? |
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17:01:27 | markun | for -> of |
17:03:49 | jharu | the navigation is nice and is certainly viewable for those who like me wear glasses |
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17:04:48 | DerPapst | i have glasses too and i like the rockbox menu... even with a smaller font :-P |
17:05:15 | countrymonkey | I cannot get the manual to build. even following the dirrections |
17:05:48 | DefineByte | are you using cygwin? |
17:05:59 | countrymonkey | yes |
17:07:59 | DefineByte | have you installed unicode support for LaTeX? |
17:08:14 | krazykit | jharu, sounds like you just need to use a larger font. |
17:08:54 | countrymonkey | I just clicked on the default packages for both base and mirror download. I don't know what you mean by unicode for latex. |
17:09:10 | DefineByte | http://www.unruh.de/DniQ/latex/unicode/ |
17:09:24 | DefineByte | instructions: http://www.unruh.de/DniQ/latex/unicode/ucs/INSTALL |
17:09:57 | countrymonkey | do I install that? Because all that happens is a copy of the manual dir gets copied to my build dir. |
17:10:05 | jharu | i would like it to be more uhhhh graphically pleasing i guess |
17:10:28 | DerPapst | is there a maximum size for icons? if not one could use insanely large icons either :-P |
17:10:37 | DefineByte | you need that to be able to build the manual |
17:11:13 | countrymonkey | I am not tech-savi enough to understand the instructions. Could you please paraphrase this for me? |
17:12:16 | jharu | ah well its my first time so im full of foolish ideas. still trying to figure out the linux emulator (vmware) hope i can implement what i just said |
17:13:37 | jharu | it would really make rockbox cool in my opinion if it has a interesting gui |
17:14:16 | DefineByte | I'm not sure exactly where the files need to go. It's been a while since I used cygwin. Let me look into it. |
17:14:17 | DerPapst | if you can't figure out the vmware try cygwin. it's pretty straigt forward either :-) |
17:14:29 | Nico_P | jharu: the priority is to have an efficient GUI... interesting comes after that. Of course if you make a GUI that is both, we'll be all ears |
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17:15:48 | jharu | but i dont know the dload for cygwin. it has too much mirrors and i dont know exactly what files to load |
17:15:53 | Nico_P | jharu: also, changing the whole GUI is going to be a lot of work... if you're a beginner it might be a good idea to start by getting familiar with C |
17:16:40 | jharu | im familiar with c but on a borland platform |
17:16:53 | DerPapst | jharu: select any mirror near you and download the entire dev package.. then you're pretty much on a good way |
17:17:26 | * | DerPapst never used borland for anything else then turbo pascal :-D |
17:18:09 | Nico_P | jharu: I would recommend the VM |
17:18:28 | jharu | well pascal is phased out here though... |
17:19:43 | DerPapst | no way.. i'm porting rockbox to pascal |
17:19:58 | DerPapst | jk :P |
17:20:00 | jharu | im dloading vm but its taking too long to download. its already at 51 % and i've yet to dl the other huge file it requires... |
17:20:14 | DefineByte | countrymonkey: I think you need to put the files mentioned in the instructions into /texmf/tex/latex/ |
17:20:44 | Llorean | I think the maximum height for icons is 32 |
17:20:51 | jharu | pascal rockbox?! |
17:23:19 | countrymonkey | I am working on a windows box and cannot find those dirrectories. |
17:24:02 | DefineByte | try /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/unicode/ |
17:24:54 | krazykit | DerPapst, nah, rewrite rockbox in perl! |
17:25:17 | countrymonkey | I cannot find the unicode dirrectory. |
17:26:02 | countrymonkey | write rb in basic! that settles it |
17:26:06 | DefineByte | just put them in latex then |
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17:26:12 | DefineByte | i don't think it matters |
17:26:17 | christos | help |
17:26:19 | countrymonkey | thanks. Let's try it |
17:26:41 | christos | i want to ask if it can be greek support for the virtual keyboard |
17:26:46 | christos | when i seek in database |
17:28:36 | christos | anybody knows? |
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17:28:51 | krazykit | christos, please be patient in waiting for an answer |
17:29:05 | DefineByte | lol |
17:29:07 | Llorean | I was just about to give him one too. |
17:29:07 | Llorean | Sigh |
17:29:19 | Llorean | I had to dig up the name of the wiki page for custom keyboards |
17:29:58 | DefineByte | it would be good if the chatbot could be configured to send a user a message the next time they joined. |
17:29:59 | jharu | well christos seems a bit busy. lol |
17:30:52 | jharu | that may mean logging and adding in asort of list |
17:31:09 | krazykit | jharu, this channel IS logged. |
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17:31:29 | countrymonkey | They say put the data/* in your latex dir. Does that mean the dir or the contents? |
17:31:52 | DefineByte | try the contents I guess |
17:31:55 | DefineByte | x) |
17:32:13 | jharu | kinda like yahoo messenger. and i mean logging to the user not the irc |
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17:35:21 | countrymonkey | no difference |
17:35:28 | DefineByte | did you run mktexlsr? |
17:36:06 | countrymonkey | no. |
17:36:08 | DefineByte | and probably 'make clean' to be safe |
17:36:20 | DefineByte | in the build directory/ |
17:36:42 | countrymonkey | Do i just type that in? |
17:36:59 | DefineByte | yeah |
17:37:16 | countrymonkey | it said no such file or dirrectory |
17:37:47 | DefineByte | I guess not then x) |
17:38:14 | countrymonkey | so what do I do? |
17:38:17 | DefineByte | try it from root? dunno |
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17:39:09 | countrymonkey | going to a xmas party, will dbg this later |
17:39:18 | DefineByte | okay, have fun |
17:39:40 | Agrajag__ | Guys, any idea why, after booting the original firmware I suddenly can't get my iPod Photo to reboot the RB firmware? |
17:39:41 | countrymonkey | Thanks. I'll come back when i get home. |
17:40:16 | DefineByte | if I'm not here try and track down pixelma |
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17:40:21 | DefineByte | ah well |
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17:44:13 | Agrajag__ | Guys, any idea why, after booting the original firmware I suddenly can't get my iPod Photo to reboot the RB firmware? |
17:44:19 | tacoman | hello |
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17:44:25 | Agrajag__ | Howdy |
17:45:02 | krazykit | Agrajag__, have you read the manual, specifically the part about dual-booting? |
17:45:24 | Agrajag__ | Yes. I've dual-booted several times. No problem. Suddenly yesterday it just stopped doing it. |
17:45:36 | Topy44 | hm... just playing around with the mpegplayer... it says on x5 160x128 should go as high as 32fps... but i cant seem to get above 21fps |
17:45:52 | Agrajag__ | The firmware never shows up to allow me to get back. It just INSTANTLY boots the original firmware each time now. |
17:45:59 | Topy44 | neighter on elephants dream nor on my own encodes |
17:46:29 | krazykit | Agrajag__, i'm not familiar with iPods. have you tried reinstalling the bootloader? |
17:46:35 | DerPapst | Topy44: and your build is up to date? |
17:46:55 | Agrajag__ | That's the next step. Was hoping to avoid it and find out what caused this so I can avoid it in the future. Thanks. |
17:47:02 | DefineByte | you didn't repair the Ipod with Itunes did you? |
17:47:11 | Llorean | DerPapst: He also needs to have frame limiting and frame skipping disabled |
17:47:16 | DerPapst | Agrajag__: the bootloader shouldn't just vanish on iPods |
17:47:21 | Agrajag__ | iTunes? What's that? hehehehe I don't even have that on my system. |
17:47:37 | Agrajag__ | That's what has me concerned. The folder is there. Seems fine. |
17:47:41 | Topy44 | just found out... youre right, with frame limiting and skipping disabled, i get 21fps |
17:48:01 | Agrajag__ | I just installed Media Monkey 3.0 release candidate 4 and sync'ed with it. |
17:48:08 | Topy44 | but it skips more than necessary with frame skipping active |
17:48:13 | DerPapst | Agrajag__: run ./ipodpather −−list and check if the bootloader is still there |
17:48:32 | Agrajag__ | Where do I find that? |
17:48:43 | Topy44 | [17:47] <Topy44> just found out... youre right, with frame limiting and skipping disabled, i get 21fps <== i ment 31fps |
17:48:45 | DerPapst | how did you install rockbox? |
17:49:07 | Agrajag__ | Oh, ipodPATCHER (you said pather above) |
17:49:19 | Agrajag__ | I did it manually initially. |
17:49:23 | DerPapst | ah |
17:49:26 | Agrajag__ | Has been working just fine for weeks |
17:49:26 | DerPapst | sorry |
17:49:40 | Agrajag__ | hehehe. I thought maybe there was a path checker I didn't know about. |
17:50:11 | Agrajag__ | I'll go grab the iPod |
17:51:02 | Agrajag__ | Oh, lastly, I JUST started using iPod playlist and read that RB doesn't understand iPod playlists. That I need to do some registry change to get RB to use M3U's instead of the iPod database to do this. Is that accurate? |
17:51:12 | Topy44 | hm... with a smaller video (as in, not as cpu intensive) i get the expected 25fps with skipping active |
17:51:44 | Topy44 | it seems that the skipping itself uses so much cpu power that it has to start skipping frames even though there would be enough power to display them all |
17:51:45 | Topy44 | (or so) |
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17:53:47 | DerPapst | rocbox has it's own database format and understands m3u... if that answers your question |
17:55:02 | Llorean | Topy44: I've never experienced this. If a video can get 30fps with skipping off, and is recorded at 25fps, with skipping AND limiting on, it should play at 25fps. |
17:55:04 | Agrajag__ | Listing firmware partition contents: |
17:55:04 | Agrajag__ | |
17:55:04 | Agrajag__ | Image 1: |
17:55:04 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Agrajag__ |
17:55:04 | Agrajag__ | Main firmware - 5387776 bytes |
17:55:04 | Agrajag__ | Third-party bootloader - 49276 bytes |
17:55:05 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
17:55:05 | Agrajag__ | Image 2: |
17:55:07 | Agrajag__ | AUPD - 1109716 bytes |
17:55:13 | Llorean | Agrajag__: Please do not paste into the channel |
17:55:18 | Agrajag__ | Oops. Okay |
17:55:34 | Agrajag__ | That's what ipodpatcher sees. Looks to me like it sees firmware. |
17:55:37 | DerPapst | Agrajag__: plase use www.pastebn.ca next time... |
17:55:39 | Topy44 | Llorean, i tried several times, if i activate skipping the framerate goes down to about 21 |
17:55:43 | Topy44 | i'll try around some more |
17:55:45 | DerPapst | but no bootloader |
17:56:10 | DerPapst | resintall the bootloaderwith ./ipodpatcher -i |
17:56:17 | Agrajag__ | thx |
17:56:24 | Agrajag__ | Wonder what blew it out? Very strange. |
17:57:04 | DerPapst | no idea... normally it doesn't simply vanish without the user doing someting to make it go away. |
17:57:26 | Topy44 | so... with skipping and limiting on it stabilises around 20-23, with skipping off i get 25.x |
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17:57:44 | Agrajag__ | Well, at least now I have the answer. Thanks. Now time to figure out how to handle the playlist issue. Off to the forums. |
17:58:00 | dionoea | hello |
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17:58:43 | Topy44 | (160x128 mpeg2 at 300kbit with mp3 sound at 128kbit) |
17:59:04 | jharu | about that 32 llorean is it 32 mm or 32 pixels? |
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17:59:11 | Topy44 | with a smaller video (90x60) that wont happen, the fps stays the same |
17:59:14 | Llorean | Topy44: 300kbit is far higher bitrate than you need for that screen, I'd say. |
17:59:56 | Llorean | Topy44: But if you only get 25 with them disabled, then it may be expected. That's an average, and it's probably falling below 25 quite often. |
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18:00:13 | Llorean | jharu: What 32? |
18:00:27 | jharu | the max icon size |
18:00:31 | Llorean | Pixels |
18:00:46 | bodhammer | is this a good place for user questions or is it dev only? |
18:00:47 | Topy44 | Llorean, i get 25 with limiting enabled and skipping disabled, and 21 with both enabled |
18:01:07 | DefineByte | user questions are welcome. :) |
18:01:09 | Llorean | Topy44: And what SVN revision are you running? |
18:01:21 | Topy44 | yesterdays, let me check the revision... |
18:01:48 | Topy44 | 15930 |
18:02:08 | Llorean | Ah well then, 's the best you'll get I guess. |
18:02:12 | Llorean | You'll just have to accept it |
18:02:21 | Topy44 | well, guess so |
18:02:33 | Topy44 | i'll try around with a 30fps videostream, lets see what the effect is |
18:02:54 | bodhammer | I have a Sansa e250 with a 2GB MicroSD. My database seems to get corrupted. I'm using the daily builds from the last couple of weeks. I have forced updates as well as just deleted them but it keeps happening. Known bug? |
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18:03:03 | dionoea | Bagder: looks like there's an error in the svn viewer (for example on http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/rbutil/rbutilqt/rbutilqt.qrc?r1=15932;r2=15933 ) "ImportError: libkeyutils.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
18:03:23 | Llorean | Topy44: You can probably do about 180-220kbps by the way, for your screen size |
18:03:28 | mexicankiller | what happens with your sansa? |
18:03:32 | mexicankiller | I may help |
18:03:54 | Llorean | bodhammer: Corrupted in what way? |
18:04:08 | mexicankiller | I guess he is having the problems |
18:04:12 | mexicankiller | of the cache |
18:04:20 | bodhammer | worst was a total lockup on boot, had to delete the database files to get it to even boot |
18:04:23 | mexicankiller | I mean when the database is cached |
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18:04:40 | bodhammer | other times I can get to a song buit it will not start playing |
18:04:51 | mexicankiller | bodhammer I have to say that the sansa is a very problematic dap |
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18:04:58 | Llorean | bodhammer: What SVN revision? |
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18:05:07 | bodhammer | glad I only payed $29 for a refirb! ;-) |
18:05:11 | Llorean | mexicankiller: That's a rather striking generalization. I have two sansas, and no troubles with either. |
18:05:21 | mexicankiller | oh sorry |
18:05:58 | Llorean | bodhammer: Are you using a current, official build? And if so, what format is your music? |
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18:06:14 | bodhammer | right now r15930-071214 |
18:06:17 | mexicankiller | Llorean do you know where I can get the memory modules for the sansa?,I don't mean micro sd cards |
18:06:26 | bodhammer | all music is MP3 |
18:06:45 | Llorean | mexicankiller: No, this channel is about Rockbox, which primarily means *software* development. Look for identifying marks on the chips, and google. |
18:06:57 | mexicankiller | oh ok |
18:07:09 | Llorean | bodhammer: Try disabling auto-update and only using manual updates. I've heard some people have found auto-update to be problematic recently |
18:07:41 | bodhammer | Llorean: ok, thx |
18:07:47 | mexicankiller | Llorean automatic update has been problematic since the make of the micro sd patch |
18:08:19 | mexicankiller | because you have to unify both databases,do it gets mad when updating |
18:08:31 | mexicankiller | *so |
18:08:49 | bodhammer | If I use the Sansa firmware, it there anyway to prevent "refreshing database" on every boot? |
18:09:00 | mexicankiller | you can't prevent it |
18:09:07 | bodhammer | so lame... |
18:09:45 | mexicankiller | the firmware has to update the changes,so therefore you can't evitate |
18:09:53 | krazykit | mexicankiller, wrong, actually |
18:09:55 | bodhammer | what changes? |
18:10:05 | mexicankiller | oh ok |
18:10:09 | mexicankiller | I'm wrong |
18:10:15 | mexicankiller | may you correct me |
18:10:31 | krazykit | bodhammer, if you turn on the sansa by simply plugging in the USB cable, recent bootloaders should prevent it from updating the database. |
18:10:56 | bodhammer | krazykit: rockbox or sansa? |
18:10:56 | krazykit | however, if you intend to USE the OF for playing music, then you cannot prevent it from rebuilding the database. |
18:10:58 | mexicankiller | oh my lord,I didn't knew that |
18:11:47 | krazykit | bodhammer, the sansa. this is a feature of the rockbox bootloader |
18:12:08 | bodhammer | I use Rockbox because of the no rebuild and fast boot. Really impressive if I can keep it running... |
18:12:17 | bodhammer | ok |
18:12:30 | mexicankiller | well rockbox has been impresive for ages |
18:12:37 | mexicankiller | and still is |
18:12:42 | krazykit | if there's a microSD card, though, it will update the database no matter what. |
18:13:04 | mexicankiller | its something that you can't stop |
18:13:16 | mexicankiller | when you have an external memory |
18:13:24 | bodhammer | Don't understand why they don't fix that... Stopped me from getting a View for Xmas |
18:13:30 | krazykit | mexicankiller, is there a reason you're paraphrasing me? |
18:13:37 | mexicankiller | ah? |
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18:13:44 | mexicankiller | para what? |
18:13:54 | krazykit | writing what i say differently. |
18:14:07 | mexicankiller | I'm really sorry |
18:14:17 | mexicankiller | I didn't knew |
18:14:23 | mexicankiller | that I was doing that |
18:17:16 | mexicankiller | about the rockbox for Ipod nano 1st gen |
18:17:29 | bodhammer | I also don't see the load to ram database option in setting as per the manual, is that stll an option? |
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18:19:24 | mexicankiller | I'm off |
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18:19:59 | jharu | well gotta go, ill check what i can do about the gui that is both functional and funky. hop i do it in a week or so..... |
18:20:06 | Topy44 | ok... interesting result with a 30fps file... the frame skipper still cuts down framerate by about 2fps |
18:20:15 | Topy44 | so its NOT a cpu load problem |
18:20:43 | Topy44 | i get 28fps with a 30fps file with skipper, and full 30fps without |
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18:21:15 | Llorean | Can you see the file playing slowly, or are you just going by the number? |
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18:23:10 | Topy44 | yes, i believe that i can see some stutter, but we're talking about 28 vs 30fps here... i really cant say if i'm imagining it :) |
18:23:38 | Topy44 | with frame skipping on, it takes about 30 sec for the fps to stabilize, with skipping off its stable 30.1 almost instantly |
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18:24:30 | Llorean | I just know the frameskipping doesn't cause a problem like this on any of the players I own. |
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18:25:24 | Topy44 | well, the x5 is one of the lower cpu power targets |
18:25:31 | Llorean | No, it's not. |
18:25:46 | Topy44 | no? well, i dont really know the tech data of all the machines :) |
18:25:58 | Llorean | It's just not one of the high CPU targets. |
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18:26:15 | Llorean | But with its small screen size, and fast enough processor it shouldn't be a problem |
18:26:41 | Llorean | Not to mention if you have enough overhead to play 30fps, it doesn't make sense that frameskipping has the same penalty at both rates |
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18:26:53 | Topy44 | exactly, thats the weird thing |
18:26:54 | Llorean | jhMikeS might have an answer if/when he's around |
18:27:06 | Topy44 | it may really just be a problem with the fps display |
18:27:42 | Llorean | I keep the FPS display turned off anyway. As long as the video's in sync with the audio, all is well. |
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18:28:25 | Llorean | But I've been doing some testing for new presets today and yesterday, and was actually watching the FPS display, and no such behaviour as you had. |
18:28:36 | Llorean | But I don't have an X5 or H300 |
18:29:57 | Topy44 | just doing one more test |
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18:33:39 | PaulPosition | Topy44 - You managed to get that vmware working? I dunno, but I have version 2.02 here and it works alright. But I started from the original image, not the expanded working copy (or whatever they'd call it)... |
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18:35:05 | Topy44 | yes, got it working - i just installed good old 1.something :) |
18:35:14 | Topy44 | fed up with it |
18:35:50 | Llorean | Is this Rockbox related? |
18:36:12 | Topy44 | Llorean, yes, i had problems getting the rockbox vmware image to run on a current vmware version |
18:36:20 | Topy44 | while it runs fine on an old version |
18:36:51 | PaulPosition | Good, then. :) |
18:37:30 | Topy44 | now thats interesting... if i make a 10fps file (just for a test) the frame skipper doesnt affect it |
18:38:01 | Topy44 | it seems that it only happens if the cpu load is close to 100% (but noch quite) |
18:39:18 | jhMikeS | Topy44: realize that it's not all about raw FPS and just because you can average 30fps over the long term, frames may need skipping in order to maintain sync in the short term. |
18:40:04 | jhMikeS | Decoding is not a constant load operation |
18:40:07 | Llorean | I probably should've elaborated on that earlier. |
18:40:51 | Topy44 | i did suspect something like that - that while 30fps can be decoded in a second, one of the frames may take longer than the allowed 1/30th of a second to get decoded |
18:43:06 | joris__ | Is there some information about how rockbox handles hard disks on the archos and is there any preferred hard disk when it comes to reads per minute? |
18:43:35 | joris__ | Will the faster ones die faster? |
18:44:04 | jhMikeS | Topy44: it's pretty generous. your best bet is to use enough B-frames and it can conceal any drops the best way then. |
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20:21:52 | parafin | which sample rate does ipod 5.5G hardware support? |
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21:16:29 | graphys | hi |
21:17:53 | graphys | when using ipod nano 2nd gen rockbox? |
21:18:24 | RyoS | i'd say nevaaaaar? |
21:18:30 | RyoS | no really, i dont understand your question |
21:18:54 | scorche | graphys: that device is not supported and may never be |
21:19:34 | graphys | scorche: i now but when using rockbox that device? |
21:19:57 | scorche | graphys: as you asking when it will be supported? |
21:20:40 | graphys | scorche: i am turkish and i don't speak beautiful english |
21:22:38 | krazykit | graphys, you can not use rockbox on a 2nd gen ipod nano. |
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21:24:56 | graphys | krazykit: ok thanks |
21:25:20 | graphys | krazykit: are we going to use rockbox on a 2nd gen ipod nano? |
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21:25:57 | krazykit | graphys, no, and it may never be usable on a 2nd gen ipod nano |
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21:28:47 | graphys | krazykit: which open source jukebox firmware use to on a 2nd gen ipod nano? |
21:28:54 | krazykit | graphys, there are none |
21:29:09 | graphys | oh my god :( |
21:29:16 | graphys | krazykit: thank you |
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21:29:54 | krazykit | graphys, if you want rockbox, look on rockbox.org for the players that can use rockbox |
21:30:22 | graphys | i have got a 2nd gen ipod nano :( |
21:30:32 | krazykit | sorry then :) |
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22:48:02 | * | Bagder got a great private mail about rockbox |
22:48:11 | Bagder | "Hi, Could you give me a tutorial or some help on modding a Sansa e260 with rockbox?" |
22:48:54 | Bagder | A: "yes, see www.rockbox.org" |
22:49:37 | GodEater | good answer |
22:51:48 | GodEater | OT: I installed SwiftWeasel as my webbrowser to do - seems to render a bit faster than stock firefox. Maybe worth looking at if you like a quick browser. |
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23:41:21 | johns | i'm running rockbox on a video ipod. unfortunately on openbsd (4.2) it does not attach as a umass device but falls back to ugen. booting with the ipod firmware does as usual attach as umass. i assume it _should_ look like a usb mass storage device without doing anything special. i was just trying to verify that. |
23:41:58 | Bagder | no, rockbox doesn't do usb on the ipod yet |
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23:42:23 | johns | ah, ok thanks! |
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23:50:28 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/12/16/progress-on-the-d2-front/ |
23:50:35 | Bagder | (for those who don't read the forum) |
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23:53:18 | p3tur | hello rockbox ;) |
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23:57:35 | petur | Bagder: regarding your blog on nmap, are you waiting for a rockboxed player to appear in a movie? ;) |
23:57:43 | Bagder | yes! |
23:58:02 | Bagder | now! |
23:58:14 | petur | lol |
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