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#rockbox log for 2007-12-15

00:00:34BagderI did an upgrade of it earlier today and I bet that is what broke it
00:00:38Bagderhe did even
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00:17:14most-idiothi, i flashed rockbox on my ipod nano 1g, (using linux) - it works and I can mount it like any other device but under windows its not showing up in explorer, did i have missed something?
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00:22:15pixelmaI think the Ipods have to be either booted into the original firmware or put in disk mode manually at the moment for a data connection in windows - don't have an Ipod myself but this should always work
00:26:29most-idiotok, ill try this later, i have to leave now. thx
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00:38:29Topy44i can now confirm that the problems i had with the vmware player are related to a change in apic handling the image currently available on the rockbox page wont run with the current version of vmware player
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01:31:14JamPSDoes Sansa see if phones are plugged in or not?
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01:47:38Topy44just playing around with some "new" stuff (havent updated rockbox for months), i cannot seem to find the display options menu of mplayer
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01:49:47pixelmathere is a second menu now (not ideal IMO) which is only available when the video is playing
01:50:33pixelmashould be avaialble with "Rec" on X5
01:51:47pixelmaavailable too :)
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01:53:50JamPSI was thinking that is it possible to pause playback if Sansa detects that phones were disconnected?
01:53:58JamPSor dockbox
01:54:17JamPSagh, maybe I should get some sleep
01:54:45Topy44pixelma, found it - weird place for it indeed, and should be mentioned in the wiki
01:55:12pixelmaJamPS: the player needs specific hardware for that, I don't think the Sansas have it (there's no such option on my c200 at least)
01:55:23pixelmaTopy44: it's a wiki... ;)
01:55:46Topy44yeah, give me write permission :)
01:56:30pixelmaif you tell me your wiki name...
01:56:44Topy44just trying to remembered if i registred yet
01:56:46Topy44just a sec
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01:57:36Topy44yes, i did :)
01:57:49Topy44my name is ThorinHopkins
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01:59:55pixelmayou should be able to edit the wiki now :)
02:00:41Topy44thanks, i will
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02:52:47LinuxMafiai get no partion found when i turn it on, any idea
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02:56:35krazykitLinuxMafia, have you tried going through recovery mode and recovering the original firmware?
02:56:45Dark_ApostropheWhere do I get a ROM for pacbox?
02:56:56krazykitDark_Apostrophe, you cannot ask for ROMs here.
02:57:07LinuxMafiakrazykit, no can u give me a link?
02:57:07Dark_ApostropheOkay... :/
02:57:08krazykitthe only legal method is to own an arcade machine and rip it yourself
02:57:14krazykitLinuxMafia, check the wiki
02:57:14scorcheDark_Apostrophe: from a pacman machine using a dumper
02:57:24scorchewhy is that strange?
02:57:26Dark_ApostropheSo wait, this is an actual pacman game? :o
02:57:30LinuxMafiakrazykit, thanks
02:57:38scorcheno...that is a pacman emulator
02:57:43scorchethe ROM is the game
02:57:52Dark_ApostropheOkay... strange. :/
02:58:07Dark_ApostropheNever mind... I'll hit some torrent sites.
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02:58:18scorcheplease dont discuss that here..
02:58:29Dark_ApostropheOkay, sorry.
03:00:24LinuxMafiakrazykit, can not find it
03:00:37LinuxMafiaplease can any one give me the link
03:01:20Topy44LinuxMafia, which target?
03:01:33krazykitLinuxMafia, you obviously haven't looked that hard. it's linked from the e200 wiki page
03:01:54LinuxMafiakrazykit, thanks e260 is same process?
03:01:57*scorche hates the name of that page
03:02:15scorcheLinuxMafia: e200 refers the whole series
03:02:17*Topy44 is still waiting for rockbox to compile
03:02:17krazykitscorche, me too. it'd be nicer to name it SansaE200Recovery
03:02:36Topy44who said it would take 5 minutes... its copiling since 11 and nowhere near done
03:02:37LinuxMafiathanks alot
03:03:04scorcheTopy44: compiling all depends on your computer...
03:03:06krazykitTopy44, maybe you have a slow computer and/or are using cygwin
03:03:27Topy44i have a very very slow computer, yes :) (using vmware though)
03:03:49Topy44might aswell throw out all these useless plugins while i'm at it...
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03:08:39jac0bcan anyone give me some pointers on encoding for the gigabeat in linux
03:08:50jac0blike what settings they use
03:08:52krazykitjac0b, encoding what
03:09:09krazykiti just use winff with the gigabeat preset.
03:09:30krazykitwinff runs on linux.
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03:09:59LinuxMafiakrazykit, i can not mount the device , so how can i Only copy .mi4 files to the recovery partition.
03:10:04jac0bI see win so I think its windows
03:10:29krazykitLinuxMafia, can you get the player into recovery mode?
03:10:41LinuxMafiakrazykit, yes
03:11:00krazykitplug in the USB cable after putting it into recovery mode. you should then be able to mount the recovery partition
03:11:35LinuxMafiakrazykit, the problem is my freind has the device with him
03:12:37LinuxMafiakrazykit, if the device /dev/sda1 how i can mount that partition
03:13:02krazykitLinuxMafia, mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/somewhere
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03:18:52LinuxMafia.mi4 file ?
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03:19:39krazykitLinuxMafia, get the .mi4 for your player. one of the e200 ones
03:19:54LinuxMafiakrazykit, thanks so much
03:20:26krazykitLinuxMafia, you'll need to reinstall the rockbox bootloader after this if you want to continue using rockbox
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03:21:00LinuxMafiakrazykit, he can not mount it
03:22:26krazykitLinuxMafia, if recovery mode was successful and he's now in the original firmware, he may need to put it into MSC mode in the options.
03:23:02LinuxMafiakrazykit, no he can not mount recovery partition
03:23:16krazykitany error, specifically?
03:23:47LinuxMafiakrazykit, he is noob in linux too , so he can not find out the device
03:23:54LinuxMafiai told him look at dmesg
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03:24:52krazykithonestly, i can't help then. this is basic operating system knowledge at this point. Gnome and KDE both should discover and allow you to mount the recovery partition. beyond that, it's not really a rockbox problem: it's a learn-to-use-your-computer problem.
03:26:01LinuxMafiakrazykit, thanks i know i am helping him with that
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03:30:35jac0bwinff just freezes when I try to encode videos
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03:31:28krazykitjac0b, run it from a terminal and see if it spews any error messages
03:32:19jac0bwhen I click convert it gives this "/bin/sh: /usr/bin/xterm: not found"
03:32:49jac0bdo I need to install xterm
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03:34:12krazykitjac0b, it seems that way. i guess winff assumes you have xterm installed.
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03:42:11countrymonkeyHere yall!
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03:45:24countrymonkeyanyone here
03:46:28krazykitdo you have a question?
03:47:18countrymonkeyJust watching. I am bored. Just want to see what yall are up to
03:47:55countrymonkeyBut come to think of it. Yes. If I switch to the next track and go back within about a second, my dap freeses. Why?
03:48:16krazykitcountrymonkey, are you using the latest build? that sounds like an old MoB bug
03:48:49countrymonkeyThis is nex->back. The old one was back beyond buffir.
03:49:04krazykitare you using the latest build?
03:49:20countrymonkeyA few revs back.
03:49:59countrymonkeyAbout 15799
03:50:41krazykitthat's over 100 revisions behind. update and try again.
03:51:10countrymonkeyThese things happen fast. Let me update...
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03:52:39Topy44*yawn* its rather tiresome waiting for these builds really...
03:52:50countrymonkeyHold on a sec
03:54:00countrymonkeyWhat builds?
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03:57:47krazykithonestly, we don't need updates while you do it. just the results.
03:58:32countrymonkeyfixed. Just wanted you to know I didn't disappear.
04:00:13countrymonkeyI want rb to time my workouts. Is there some plugin or another that could do that? I already use it to play music during workouts.
04:01:25krazykitcountrymonkey, there's a stopwatch.
04:01:51countrymonkeyI forgot, needs to play sound when time is up.
04:03:27krazykiti'm not aware of any such plugin, though it shouldn't be difficult to code. either write it yourself or file a feature request and hope someone fills it.
04:04:30countrymonkeyIs it the type of feature request that will get rejected immidiately? I know some are like that.
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04:05:04krazykitcountrymonkey, no, i can see it being useful. if someone is sufficiently interested, it's likely to be included if done well
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04:10:55countrymonkeybe right back
04:18:11countrymonkeyWhy is nobody talking?
04:18:47krazykitthis channel isn't always active. stay on topic.
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04:23:03keanu|afkThe web version of SVN is down, in case nobody noticed ;)
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04:40:55Topy44hm... was the recording histogram removed in the last few months? (or did i add it myself back then? i really cant remember...)
04:42:05countrymonkeyYou added it yourself it is a patch.
04:43:35Topy44hm, ok. i somehow thought to remember that it was commited at some point
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05:02:36Topy44uuh, the histogram doesnt get close to work properly anymore... i'll update
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06:28:26LloreanI *think* that the very newest C200 firmwares attempt to automatically choose between MTP and MSC depending on the host.
06:29:08LloreanThat might also be why the filesystem sometimes mounts as read-only on linux computers: An artifact of whatever else the C200 is trying to do.
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07:09:54Topy44hm, i'm getting a lot of "gui_syncsplash" warnings
07:10:07Topy44what is its expected syntax?
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07:14:25rvvs89_It's rvvs89 here from work
07:15:57rvvs89_I have a customer here from the gravity discovery centre in Western Australia who needs an mp3 player with an fm radio for a very specific purpose in their discovery centre\
07:16:45rvvs89_I recommended the sansa e200 because she could potentially install a modified version of Rockbox on it to tailor it to the needs of the discovery centre
07:17:06rvvs89_If you guys have any suggestions for development or for a different player please let me know :)
07:17:33rvvs89_ie, if anyone is possibly interested in creating a custom build of rockbox for them, please let me know
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07:38:01Topy44damnit... i can get it to compile, but i cannot remember what i did back then to get the histogram working
07:38:20Topy44i have my old build here which works fine, but its a 8 months outdated build
07:38:38Topy44and i dont have the source from then anymore
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07:50:35alienbiker99is it safe to install the sansa e200 1.02.18 OF?
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07:54:00Agrajag__Hey guys. Anyone on? I seem to have managed to get my iPod Photo in a state where it won't boot RB any longer! Any idea what might have happened? I switched over to the default firmware to check something and now it won't get out of that mode.
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07:59:00alienbiker99its safe to install.
08:03:26Lloreanrvvs89_: My recommendation for a player with an FM radio would actually be an H120/140 if you can find it. More user-serviceable and better battery life.
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08:20:00amiconnLlorean, rvvs89: H3x0, X5 or X5L would also be an option (not X5V or M5)
08:26:20rvvs89_Thanks, I'll pass that on
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08:53:59woodensoulI'm looking to update my Gigabeat with an 80GB drive. According to the HardDriveReplacement wiki, the MK8007GAH will work, but they are scarce on eBay. Anyone know where to find one?
08:58:51woodensoulWell I tried that.
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08:59:49opushello all. I'm William Thomas, and I am asking for write permissions to the Wiki, so I can upload a theme.
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09:01:57opushello all
09:02:00woodensoulI can't give permission, but what target is the theme for?
09:04:45aliaskopus: Give me a second and I'll add you
09:06:11aliaskopus: Should work now
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09:09:24opusI'm porting the Pen&Paper Theme to the Sansa E200's
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09:18:51woodensoulwith album art or no?
09:19:06woodensoulby the way, my sansa has been locking up with recent builds for no apparent reason
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09:51:39markunthe forums just stopped working :(
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09:52:46LloreanAs always.
09:53:04*amiconn finds it more annoying that ViewVC still doesn't werk :(
09:53:14amiconnForums are kinda boring... ;)
09:53:24LloreanI'm more irritated by the failure of ViewVC too.
09:53:33LloreanI don't mind the forums being silent for a while at all. ;)
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09:53:54markunLlorean: I just want to post my message and then I stop caring as well :)
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09:54:51woodensoulDid you guys see my question on where to find an 80GB hard drive for the Gigabeat F. Scarce on eBay.
09:55:15Lloreanwoodensoul: You pretty much just have to spend time looking. I don't think there's any reliable/good source
09:55:32markunLlorean: there are people using old forum posts to install rockbox on their gigabeats and thereby screwing up :(
09:56:08mrkikoLlorean: would be reasonable to give woodensoul these recommendations; 1 - See the hard disk name in some way, in Linux I can use hddtemp; 2 - Try to go to the manufacturer's site...
09:56:34woodensoulI can see the model name on the HardDriveReplacement wiki page.
09:56:42mrkikoi.e.: my iRiver reports a toshiba ****
09:56:51Lloreanmrkiko: He's looking for an upgraded HD, so the current one doesn't matter.
09:57:04LloreanOnly the connector and physical dimensions do.
09:57:11Lloreanmarkun: That's no good.
09:57:29LloreanjhMikeS: Any reason Dithering isn't enabled by default in mpegplayer (or better yet, not an option)?
09:57:44mrkikoLlorean: but he can find easily hard drives with the same pysical size but different capability. At least this can be done for Toshiba...
09:58:17Lloreanmrkiko: What do you mean by "different capability"?
09:58:24LloreanAs I said, it needs the same connector.
09:58:37markunLlorean: there was a guy in the installation section who kept saying he downloaded the right bootloader and kept getting "error -2" which doesn't exists in the current bootloader. Now we have another one, luckily he pointed out where he downloaded it from.
09:58:47Lloreanmrkiko: He also stated earlier that he knew which model he was looking for already. So I responded to the fact that HE said which model he wants.
09:59:06Lloreanmarkun: Is the old bootloader still posted somewhere?
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09:59:43amiconnLlorean: speed.
10:00:15Lloreanamiconn: On the few players that it does work on, realtime playback isn't a problem.
10:00:37woodensoulI just want one that will work, and the most storage possible.
10:00:45Lloreanmarkun: Have you seen the GigabeatFXPort page lately? I just looked at it and it looks very... overblown, I guess.
10:00:46amiconnNot with "usual" mpeg video, no. But somewhat might want to play high-bitrate video for whatever reason
10:01:18Lloreanamiconn: On the Gigabeat at least, 1200kbps video still doesn't stuffer at 29.97 fps with Dithering. I think there at least, on-by-default shouldn't be a problem then.
10:01:37LloreanWhich is where dithering offers the most visible improvement in my tests so far, at least.
10:01:40amiconnAlso, some people might prefer the undithered look
10:01:56markunI prefer the dithered look
10:02:03woodensoulI just wish I could get my videos converted successfully to put on the Gigabeat.
10:02:03amiconnDithering gets rid of the banding, but at the cost of some graininess
10:02:07Llorean The dithered look offers a very significant improvement in visual quality, I think.
10:02:19markunwoodensoul: which OS are you using?
10:02:32amiconnWe could of course enable the option by default
10:02:40LloreanEnabling it by default would make me quite happy, I think.
10:02:51amiconnBtw, on c200, dithering is essentially for free
10:02:54LloreanI'll drop the "remove the option" suggestion. :)
10:03:00Lloreanamiconn: Free?
10:03:17amiconnIt just "fills" the lcd bridge wait time with some useful calculation
10:03:20*Llorean can't put video on his C200 right now, because windows will only recognize it as an MTP device.
10:03:37markunnon-ordered dithering might look better, but I guess it's out of the question
10:03:53markunwoodensoul: and which options did you try? winff?
10:03:54Lloreanamiconn: The newest C200 firmwares work as a UMS device on my linux machine, and an MTP device under windows, without an option anywhere for me to manually set the USB mode.
10:04:12pixelmamarkun: I would have asked why he's following the installation instruction in a forum thread and not the manual...
10:04:14amiconnCan't you go back to an earlier OF?
10:04:16woodensoulmarkun: I've tried the programs and I get errors due to the audio portion of the source videos I have.
10:04:52woodensoulYes, WinFF
10:04:52Lloreanamiconn: I haven't tried downgrading yet. I just thought it was interesting to note there's apparently a firmware version out there that you can install Rockbox on from Linux, but not from Windows.
10:05:02markunwoodensoul: which codec do you use for audio?
10:05:12markun(in the source videos I mean)
10:05:28markunpixelma: you can still ask him :) (
10:05:49markunpixelma: I'll edit my post and ask him myself, ok?
10:06:02pixelmamarkun: sure :)
10:06:44woodensoulNot sure markun, ac3? The error I get says something like "can't support more than 2 audio channels"
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10:07:47markunwoodensoul: yes, than you need to downmix the auio to 2 channels
10:07:49pixelmaLlorean: I think I read reports that you can get devices with this firmware into MSC by holding a button during boot (maybe with "hold", don't remember) like the typical sandisk modes...- have you tried?
10:08:02Lloreanwoodensoul: add "-ac 2" to the "additional command line parameters" window
10:08:13Lloreanpixelma: No, I haven't tried.
10:08:40woodensoulI'll try that, brb
10:08:57amiconnThis PP5002 bug is annoying :(
10:09:21amiconnMy last build is finally a working one, after many intermediate ones which crashed
10:09:46amiconnNew one is r15923, last working one was r15871
10:09:48woodensoulMy sansa has been crashing lately.
10:11:11Lloreanpixelma: I'll try to figure it out once the forums are responding regularly again, and I can track down one of those posts. It sounds familiar
10:11:30woodensoulAw crap, I can't attempt to convert the .avi now since Exact Audio Copy is ripping a CD and it doesn't allow windows to see another disc inserted.
10:12:31amiconnIt sure does. Just autorun is disabled
10:12:32Lloreanpixelma: Hah, "Mini-B->Device Mode"
10:12:32LloreanTurn on hold, hold down Rec, insert USB, and press Power.
10:12:32amiconn...which anyone should disable completely for safety reason on windows, imho
10:12:39woodensoulnot in my experience amiconn
10:13:14LloreanNo, that's recovery
10:13:14LloreanJust with a new name now
10:13:16woodensoulAs long as EAC is running I can't see the contents of the data DVD I just inserted in another DVD drive.
10:14:14Lloreanpixelma: there's a key combination to reformat the device, it seems.
10:14:20amiconnThat's odd... can't verify this here (my laptop only has a single drive)
10:14:26pixelmaLlorean: oh
10:14:30amiconnAnyway, ripping shouldn't take too long :)
10:14:49Lloreanpixelma: I haven't found the one for MSC yet. :)
10:14:53mrkikorockbox respects copyright, us not.. .:)
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10:16:00pixelmaLlorean: there was someone with a c200 who accidentally formatted his device (and that damaged it), he asked me if I knew the key combination so he can avoid it (on his replacement c200)
10:17:06Lloreanpixelma: Turn on Hold, hold down "Play/Pause" and press the power button
10:18:01pixelmaah, thanks. All these modes and secret features of Sandisk are a bit weird...
10:18:36mrkikoLlorean: when you format a C2000, is it permanently damaged? Will you be able to boot it again?
10:18:52mrkikoDo someone know about H3xx secrets? I'll google a bit later...
10:19:37woodensoulDo you guys know how to get the presets to work with .31 version of WinFF?
10:19:54Lloreanmrkiko: As long as you use the C200's firmware format option, it'll be fine
10:20:03pixelmamrkiko: usually it shouldn't do harm (except you're losing the files on it). It's something the original firmware provides and I think they didn't include a self-destruct... ;)
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10:20:30Lloreanpixelma: The method for e200s without the option going into MSC won't work for my c200 at least
10:20:43Lloreanwoodensoul: Just download the older version of WinFF, or try to import them
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10:21:19mrkikopixelma: I think this also, but sometimes logic can't be used. Nokia 7110 had a self-destruct key combination, for example :)
10:21:21pixelmaLlorean: I search a bit, think I saw the claim in our forums
10:21:37Lloreanpixelma: no, I found the claim in the forums
10:21:41LloreanIt's a little unclear, got it working
10:21:59LloreanBoot the OF. Once the OF is running, turn on Hold, hold down |<<, and insert USB
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10:24:47LloreanSeriously though, was a menu option "too easy"? Or did they just decide nobody needs MSC mode in windows, and it's a legacy option for other OSes only?
10:25:33pixelmathose Sandisk options and modes are obsessive...
10:25:42pixelmaoi... thanks for testing. Should that be in the manual or rather a recommendation to downgrade? And if the latter - I wanted to link to the wiki for the downgrade instructions which currently on the SansaC200Port page - should they be split out onto an own page?
10:26:06woodensoulWinFF seems to be working now with those additional parameters. Did you guys find out about that recently because I asked a while ago, but no one knew.
10:26:12Lloreanpixelma: I'd rather not suggest downgrading
10:26:39LloreanDowngrading, if done by someone not careful, results in a brick. Trying to enter MSC mode, if done by someone not careful, results in Sansapatcher saying "no sansas found", which is non fatal at least.
10:26:56Lloreanwoodensoul: I'm pretty sure I told you in a forum thread ages ago
10:27:34woodensoulI don't think I posted a thread about it though.
10:27:39LloreanWell, I told someone about it
10:27:45LloreanSo a search of the forums would probably turn it up.
10:27:53woodensoulMaybe I tried it and it didn't work for me then... but it seems to be working now.
10:28:19woodensoulWhat's the size end up for an hour and a half movie?
10:28:35LloreanI don't remember with the old presets.
10:28:41woodensoulfor the gigabeat F
10:28:43LloreanI'm working on new ones right now, actually.
10:28:53pixelmaLlorean: just thought it would also save them trouble later when putting music on it. I don't know what restrictions (or not) there are in MTP mode - or they would have to use the above sequence each time for MSC mode. At least until our own USB stack is fully working...
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10:29:13LloreanA two hour movie came out to 250-350mb for me with my newer settings, and actually looks as good or better than the old ones (it's smaller than the old ones got)
10:29:48Lloreanpixelma: True, they'd have to use the key sequence every time they wanted to transfer music. MTP renames them, similar to how the Apple firmware does, I think. At least, it renamed my "data storage" files
10:30:45woodensoulmaybe the wiki should be updated to mention that parameter to get it to work
10:30:54LloreanGo ahead
10:31:11woodensoulIf I knew more about why it worked, I would.
10:31:32LloreanMP3 doesn't work with more than 2 channel audio
10:31:43Llorean-ac 2 means "reduce it to 2 channels"
10:32:09amiconnThere is actually a multichannel extension for mpeg audio
10:32:22amiconnBut only few pc based encoders and decoders support that
10:32:43LloreanI could include forcing two channels in the next set of presets
10:32:57LloreanBut I wanted to leave it "as source" on the assumption that people might also feed it videos with mono audio.
10:33:02woodensoulgood idea
10:33:07amiconnThe bitstream, howver, is backwards compatible, as the extra channels are put into the auxiliary data
10:33:23LloreanAnd that people providing 5.1 content would be able to figure the error message, since I didn't find it a confusing message.
10:33:31woodensoul"good idea oh lord"
10:33:37woodensoul"of course it's a good idea!"
10:33:51Lloreanamiconn: But lame can't encode these?
10:33:58woodensoul"stop groveling"
10:34:01amiconnI don't think so
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10:34:49woodensoulhey Llorean, what's the battery life for videos on your gigabeat?
10:34:55amiconnMy old DVD player had mpeg multichannel support. It's one of the optional DVD audio formats
10:35:10Llorean4 hours maybe?
10:35:25amiconnNot sure whether my current one supports it - probably does though
10:35:54LloreanWe have an AC3 codec in Rockbox right?
10:36:13LloreanDoes it support multichannel downmixing?
10:36:22woodensoulall I've ever watched is elephants dream
10:37:14woodensoulnot really, i didn't even see any elephants in it
10:37:39woodensoulbut there's a skinny guy
10:37:46Lloreanwoodensoul: Honestly, try to stay Rockbox related.
10:38:23Lloreanamiconn: Could you guess how fast it is relative to other codecs, or should I rip a sample and test it?
10:38:39amiconnDo you mean decoding in rockbox?
10:38:56woodensoulRight, I now remember seeing "Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-communi"
10:39:01amiconnDecoding 2.0 is very fast. Faster than mp3
10:39:17amiconnDecoding 5.1 is somewhat slower due to the downmixing
10:39:23amiconnNote that my tests are ooold
10:39:40LloreanAnd very little optimization has probably been done, ever, for say ARM. Heh.
10:39:47amiconnIs there a publicly available encoder?
10:39:53preglowac3 is pretty fast
10:40:01preglowstill room for lots of optimization, though, it's just a pretty simple codec
10:40:03*amiconn just used tracks ripped from dvd for testing
10:40:37LloreanI don't know if there's a publicly available decoder.
10:40:44preglowencoder, you mean?
10:40:46preglowplenty of decoders
10:40:50LloreanCan't type
10:41:00amiconnpreglow: Btw, interestingly, my test album encoded with vorbis (aotuv) q5 ends up smaller than musepack q5
10:41:06amiconnIs this expected?
10:43:44Lloreanwoodensoul: Okay, a video encoded from a DVD source, instead of a high definition source, came to 400MB for 1:45 movie.
10:44:13woodensoulWith the new presets?
10:44:21pixelmaLlorean: (sorry for the late reply) maybe mention both (key sequence and downgrade), stressing that a downgrade is potentially dangerous if they don't follow the instructions by word - and let them decide?
10:44:39Lloreanpixelma: Sounds good to me.
10:44:42Lloreanwoodensoul: Yes.
10:45:03woodensoulAre you working on them for the newer version of WinFF?
10:45:30pixelmaLlorean: alright. Thanks for your opinion. :)
10:45:34LloreanRight now they're just command line parameters for ffmpeg. I'll adapt them into presets for whatever version of WinFF is the current one once I'm happy with them.
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10:45:52LloreanThe quality may still be higher than strictly necessary.
10:45:58preglowamiconn: well, quality factor interpretation will vary from encoder to encoder, so yeah, it's equally like to end up bigger
10:47:04pixelmaLlorean: you have the 1.01.06 firmware version, right? Do you know if it works on 1.01.05 too (i.e. does the forum post mention it perhaps)?
10:47:05woodensoulThe screens are so small, that it seems you could get away with pretty low quality and not notice.
10:47:30Lloreanpixelma: I don't think the forum post I found was specific, but I'm pretty sure I read at ABi or somewhere that it works with .05
10:47:52pixelmanice, thanks again
10:48:25woodensoulSo the iPod Video has the 2nd best mpegplayer performance?
10:48:42Lloreanwoodensoul: The Gigabeat screen (and iPod Video) are fairly large. I mean, if I encode the same video for the c200, it's a mere 187mb, and 65% of that is just audio.
10:48:51LloreanNo, the iPod Video has pretty bad performance.
10:49:08LloreanIt's not terrible any more, but I wouldn't call it 2nd best. Where did you get that from?
10:49:19woodensoulwell the gigabeat is easily the best
10:49:30woodensoulwiki page for pluginmpegplayer
10:49:42woodensouli guess the sansa e200 is better than the ipod video by a hair
10:49:48LloreanYes, look at the difference in revisions for those tests, though
10:50:35LloreanThe tests are pretty invalid for comparison because many come before certain optimizations that a few come after.
10:50:39woodensoulThey aren't the same... I never did know what the revision number actually means though. Is the higher number a later version?
10:51:01LloreanYes, higher numbers are newer versions of Rockbox.
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10:54:26mrkikoand so rockbox development is being managed with git instead of svn?
10:55:25pixelmaLlorean: a different thing, are there more buttonlight ("button light" ?) options in the system options than just the timeout like with the Sansa?
10:55:48markunmrkiko: no, it uses svn
10:55:59Lloreanpixelma: I'm not sure what you're asking? More button light options for what?
10:56:24pixelmaargh, missed to type "gigabeat"... ;)
10:56:43markunmrkiko: although some people use git for their private tree (like me)
10:56:57Lloreanpixelma: Just timeout and brightness.
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10:57:15Lloreanpixelma: Which is odd, because I think there's two separate sets of buttonlights that can be controlled indepedently.
10:57:19pixelmaah, so there is one other option - brightness
10:57:44woodensoulOooo, aaaah...
10:58:02*woodensoul is finally watching a video trancoded through WinFF.
10:58:11Lloreanwoodensoul: Make sure to turn on Dithering.
10:58:14woodensoulthanks Llorean
10:58:28pixelmaLlorean: well, then you could also have two different settings on the c200 - on for the main LEDs under the center button and one for the LED under "menu"... :)
10:59:07woodensoulwhere's the dithering option for mpegplayer? I know about the one in the playback menu
10:59:10Lloreanpixelma: One of the "Debug" options for the Gigabeat earlier on was an option to use one of the button lights as a disk activity LED.
10:59:28woodensoulerr sound settings menu
10:59:31Lloreanwoodensoul: Just press "Menu" while using it, and choose the top option and it should be under there, iirc.
11:00:44woodensoulSweet, found it. Looks good!
11:01:33pixelmaLlorean: I think I read it was disabled on purpose...
11:01:35woodensoulThanks again, I'm off to watch the movie. :-)
11:02:04pixelmabut markun should know better :)
11:02:18Lloreanpixelma: The buttonlight options caused some problems originally. But I wouldn't mind seeing it come back as an option in the future if it can work well. Flickering the "Menu" light on the C200 to show disk activity would be nice too, for database building etc.
11:04:43pixelmaLlorean: yes, I could imagine that very well too. But for now, I just wanted to know what to mention in the manual. I'm working on a few things at the moment... and even if the button light settings are not in their final place, I think they should be mentioned (already have prepared that, but not the brightness part)
11:05:20LloreanYeah, definitely should be mentioned as they exist now.
11:05:24LloreanThey can be edited if they change later
11:05:40pixelmaand I need to check whether I broke something in other manuals...
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12:19:36n1sis viewvc dead or is it just me?
12:20:03Domonokyits broken.. :-/
12:21:48pixelmaBagder said Zagor updated it earlier yesterday and this probably broke it
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12:56:12LearAnyone who knows how long test_codec has been broken? :) As in not being able to test more than 9 files in a directory. Just curious, as I'm working on a fix...
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12:58:36JamPSHow I get the source?
12:58:56n1sLear: the buf report in the tracker is from oct 14...
13:00:01LloreanJamPS: Download it from the download page, or use SVN?
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13:00:19JamPSHow about svn?
13:01:13JamPShmm thanks, will investigate later :)
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13:04:14RyoSwhen i compile a custom build i am better of first testing it in a simulator right?
13:04:41n1sRyoS: depends on what you changed, really
13:05:15countrymonkeyI always just go to my target, straight away. But that is probably because I only touch apps coad.
13:05:34RyoSn1s: i am adding some patches from flyspray that are intresting for me
13:05:34n1sthe sim only simulates the apps/ code
13:05:37LloreanWell, changing firmware code can't really be tested in the sim.
13:06:07countrymonkeyI thought it simulated everything.
13:06:30LloreanIt's a simulator, not an emulator.
13:06:35LloreanNo hardware emulation is done.
13:06:59countrymonkeyI always mix up the 2.
13:07:07LloreanIf we had emulators, you wouldn't need to pick a different compile target. You'd compile the emulator once, then make a normal build each time and just copy it to the emulator.
13:07:11RyoShaha ok i get it
13:07:26RyoSso what if i do something wrong?
13:07:31countrymonkeySo that's how you remember the difference.
13:07:34RyoSwill i be able to brick my iaudio? :P
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13:07:56LloreanRyoS: As long as you don't change/replace the bootloader, no.
13:08:13RyoSi am not planing to change the bootloader i am happy with it :P
13:08:44n1siirc iaudio x5/m5 can even recover from a bad bl
13:09:24LloreanBut the bootloaders on them are flashed, so it may also be possible to brick it by way of a bootloader if you get clever. I don't know enough to say for sure. :)
13:09:41countrymonkeyNo, that is the e200/c200.
13:09:55LloreanNo, the e200/c200 bootloaders are not flashed.
13:10:09LloreanThey're stored in the flash memory, a part of the "disk" as it were.
13:10:19countrymonkeyNo, I mean they can recover from bad bls.
13:10:30LloreanAlmost all of the Rockbox players can.
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13:10:52countrymonkeyHow do you recover from a bad bl on the ipods?
13:10:55LinuxMafiais there a way to make sansa e200 like the beining ?
13:11:18LloreanLinuxMafia: Just follow the uninstall instructions in the manual
13:11:27Lloreancountrymonkey: There's a Manual Restore page in the wiki for them
13:12:19LinuxMafiaLlorean, i can not mount the filesystem
13:12:24countrymonkeyok. I'm just scared. I like patches so much that one of these days I'll get carried away and patch the bootloader. hopefully that won't happen.
13:13:00LloreanLinuxMafia: Boot into Recovery mode, and copy over an original firmware MI4 file
13:14:03LinuxMafiaLlorean, yeah i did that , but now it says no space
13:14:24LinuxMafiaLlorean, and music folders everything is empty
13:14:47Llorean"says no space" <- What says no space, and what exactly does it say?
13:14:58LloreanIf you can boot into the original firmware, use the reformat option.
13:15:23LinuxMafiaLlorean, it is in options?
13:15:38LinuxMafiaLlorean, i can get to original firmware
13:16:04LloreanIt's somewhere in the options of the original firmware.
13:16:13LinuxMafiaLlorean, thanks so much
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13:25:18jharuhey there everyone!! im a new owner of a sansa e260 mp(3 or 4) and i just wanna ask bagder (so many people call him badger...) on any news on stability of rbx in the sansa v1 models in terms of audio, picts and video. ive read the manual and the devt forums but it left me in a daze so can you help?
13:26:22LloreanDid you have any specific question?
13:26:25jharualso kudos on the sansa devt team
13:27:43JamPSworks fine on my e280
13:28:09jharuerrm what audio files does it support. also in video and does it play mpeg files at the stated 30 fps? and also can it change pic orientation?
13:28:35JamPSthere's a list somewhere. Most notably mp3, ogg & flac.
13:28:41JamPSand sids too :o
13:29:04jharuwhats a sids?
13:29:24JamPSI've got HVSC Top 100 on my player =) Commandore-64 music files
13:29:26Lloreanjharu: It supports all the audio files Rockbox supports, though Ape doesn't play at full speed.
13:29:38Lloreanjharu: It plays video at or faster than the speeds listed on the PluginMpegplayer page.
13:29:55LinuxMafiaLlorean, did u mean ResetAll ? i can not find reformat
13:29:55LloreanAnd I don't know what you mean by "change pic orientation", rockbox still displays in a portrait orientation.
13:30:12LloreanLinuxMafia: Perhaps the e200s don't have it. Are you using the newest e200 firmware?
13:30:46LinuxMafiaLlorean, i am not sure
13:30:48jharuthen how do i limit fps? also what i mean is can i rotate a ie jpeg file in landscape view?
13:31:07Lloreanjharu: Please, read the documentation. There's a "limit fps" option...
13:31:16LinuxMafiaLlorean, have to install it?
13:32:22LloreanLinuxMafia: I don't know. As I said, perhaps the e200s don't have it. As you don't have Rockbox installed, why not simply contact Sandisk support?
13:33:24LinuxMafiaLlorean, the problem is this is my friend's ,and i dont have the device with me , my device works perect , i also have e200
13:34:14LloreanThen tell your friend to contact Sandisk...
13:34:20jharuerrrr again how stable is rbx since im afraid to brick my sansa. also using fw 1.??.18a i think. does it create conflicts with the rbx
13:34:57Lloreanjharu: It's about a 9.2 on the stability scale. I mean, in all seriousness, what are you asking?
13:35:07n1sjharu: if you follow the instructions the risk or bricking is basically 0
13:35:11Llorean"Will it damage my device?" "Can it damage my device?" "If I do something stupid myself, can I damage my device?"
13:35:57advcomp2019jharu, plus it is hard to brick the e200 too
13:36:37jharufirmware conflicts using the abovementioned update (1.??.18a cant remember the complete code)
13:36:50countrymonkeyI don't have one, but I thought those things were easybrick targets.
13:37:01LinuxMafiaLlorean, there is a .fmt file i think meant to format
13:37:20LloreanLinuxMafia: I've given you what advice I can.
13:37:33Lloreancountrymonkey: No. They're VERY hard to brick.
13:37:46LinuxMafiaLlorean, thanks so much
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13:37:56Lloreancountrymonkey: Nobody's actually bricked one. They do allow the user a lot of freedom to ignore our warnings, do something stupid, and require reinstallation of the original firmware.
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13:41:00jharui know its hard to brick a sansa so i chose it over some well konown brand that rips you of your money. but then still what firmware does rockbox work best with? i heard from the abi forum that its 15a but i wanna make sure before i do any downgrading
13:41:31LloreanAs long as you can install Rockbox, it doesn't care what firmware you have installed
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13:41:52LloreanRockbox runs completely independently, so the only time a firmware would be a problem is if it prevents Rockbox from installing by tinkering with the USB modes.
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13:45:12jharuermm i usually use msc since i dont sync. and also can rbx play pics and videos stored in microsd? and also do i still need to convert pics and vids to the standard res of my sansa coz i checked the pdf but it doesnt (or maybe i didnt saw it) say athing about changing resolutions
13:46:14pixelmaLlorean, n1s: I'm almost finished with the changes necessary for the system options chapter. Unfortunately something's broken in the ondio manuals and I gotta leave. Don't know when I'll be able to commit it (hopefully soon).
13:46:36n1spixelma: nice :)
13:47:00Lloreanjharu: Yes, it treats the microsd card as just another folder on the disk, so no special restrictions apply to it really. You do not need to convert pics, but if you want them to fit the screen, you should. You will need to convert videos, because it's too slow to scale them and they need to be in a specific format.
13:47:35pixelman1s: wanted to talk to you about the new options but as I said - no time
13:48:14n1spixelma: I'll probably be around more in a couple of days, one last exam before christams
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13:49:27pixelmaLlorean: if you find some time, could you look at your todo list again (re. description of the c200)? ;)
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13:49:51jharuwhat format would you recommend best for vid? also if my pic isviewed as landscape that means i should rotate it first before putting it on my player? or does rbx handles it automatically?
13:49:59Lloreanpixelma: It's still on the list, don't worry. I actually have a todo text document. :)
13:50:13Lloreanjharu: Exactly what is necessary is explained on the PluginMpegplayer page, which I've already referenced you to once.
13:50:29pixelma:) ...bye!
13:50:29LloreanAs for rotation of jpegs, I think you'll have to do it manually
13:50:37LloreanI've never tested.
13:51:13pixelmayou can't do it on the player yet (although the wish is sometimes expressed here to implement it)
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14:19:30jharulooking at the themes i saw a vklix theme with a "kugel build" which means what exactly?
14:20:04Llorean"Builds" are customized versions of Rockbox other people make. We don't offer support for those, as they're not all our code.
14:21:01jharuso that may brick my unit in any case?
14:21:36LloreanProbably not.
14:21:56LloreanAs I said earlier, nobody's actually _bricked_ an e200 yet anyway
14:24:09jharuis it true the mpeg player of official build lacks seeking and resume play?
14:25:06jharulooked at it in abi forum
14:25:24LloreanThere's no seeking in any mpegplayer version.
14:25:33LloreanBut the official one lets you pick a start time, and features resume.
14:25:52LloreanThis TOO is on the PluginMpegplayer page...
14:31:41AxioI have a little request : is it possible to have support for ipod scroll acceleration in brickmania ?
14:33:05LloreanThe rate at which the paddle moves is part of the gameplay mechanic. Making the paddle move faster would break the game.
14:33:20LloreanBut, either way, feature requests belong in the feature request tracker.
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14:34:52Axiook i asked because it is in apple firmware
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14:36:25jharuso that means it may not work with the offical build, the themes i mean
14:36:55LloreanIt means it almost certainly won't work with the official one.
14:37:59*madspin wonders how hard it would be to write a "white noise" plugin for rockbox...
14:38:29madspinLlorean: sound masking - noisy neighbours ;)
14:39:03madspinwould save downloading a 8 hours FLAC or WAV file to the device ;)
14:39:04LloreanWhy not just generate some white noise with a tool, and play that file then?
14:39:16LloreanWhy do you need 8 hours? Couldn't you do 10 minutes and loop?
14:39:34madspinLlorean: if you loop, you hear the looping apparantly
14:39:58LloreanYou've tested this?
14:40:02LloreanOn a Rockbox player?
14:40:38madspinHmmmm. I would have to say not yet - I think perhaps this applies to CDs more... :|
14:40:39*n1s added a whitenoise generator to preglow's signal_gen plugin a while ago...
14:40:45n1snot hard at all
14:41:13LloreanI wouldn't expect a CD player to gaplessly repeat past the end of the disk.
14:41:39madspinok n1s, is signal_gen available for rockbox?
14:42:19n1sno he hasn't released it yet but I guess i can give you the code and you can build your own
14:42:30jharuand there was that attractive theme built for kugel... errr is it safe to use the unofficial ones? and can i put personal themes on the official ones
14:42:47madspinthanks n1s, that would be great! I just need to install a cross compiler ..
14:44:39madspinLlorean: It is still possible to tell that it is looping apparantly, it is a quality of white noise..
14:45:25Lloreanmadspin: I would think that white noise played gaplessly should be very hard to notice looping. But that would've been my guess.
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14:45:34LloreanAnd crossfading would probably make it harder.
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14:45:42n1smadspin: you'll probably need to do some changes to let it go for longer than 120 seconds
14:45:54madspinLlorean: yeah I would be my guess too...
14:47:33countrymonkeyWhat target does it compile for/where is the docs/what changes need to be made to signal_gen?
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14:48:44jharuagain is it possible to create personalized themes for the official rockbox
14:48:56countrymonkeyyes it is
14:50:11jharuwhew, satisfied and sated. im now a rockbox convert!
14:51:00countrymonkeyWhat target do you have?
14:52:42jharuerrrr i dont know what that means........ but i go for asian anime probably naruto theme
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14:53:50countrymonkeyTarget is rockbox lingo for type of mp3 player
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14:54:25jharuits sansa e200 (e260v1)
14:55:31countrymonkeyJust out of curiosity.
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14:56:34jharuim lookin and gettin confused at creating wps files. i do know c/c++ but it was ages ago since i used the lingo. and thanks monkey, what helped me decide to buy this is abi and rockbox
14:57:01countrymonkeywhat's abi?
14:57:20Lloreanjharu: You don't need any C/C++ for WPS design
14:57:25countrymonkeyAnd wps is not c or c++ at all.
14:57:25LloreanSee the CustomWPS wiki page.
14:58:42jharuanything but ipod = abi. thanks checkin the wiki rigth now
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15:05:31jharucant find the how to make yer own theme wiki.... help...
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15:05:49Nico_PDomonoky: I still can't compile rbutil, but not fo the same reaosn as before
15:06:07Lloreanjharu: I told you, it's on the page named CustomWPS
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15:06:23LloreanYou can type that in the go to box.
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15:12:20jharuis it possible to recreate that circling gui on the orig. firmware with a better transition? i kinda like its style.
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15:15:31jharuis it possible to recreate that circling gui on the orig. firmware on rockbox with a better transition? or are we stuck with the scroll type gui?
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15:16:45Bagderanything is possible
15:16:54Bagderjust write the code
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15:18:52countrymonkeyWhat is holding up 8219?
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15:19:49Lloreancountrymonkey: The fact that everybody's volunteers, and people don't have much time to look at patches anyway.
15:19:55Moobeyshai everybody
15:20:07jharudo we have the sample code for that? i was reading the dev thread but its too long to search the code for the gui. anybody can give me the raw and ill give it a crack using the sim/emu.
15:20:38MoobeysI have a problem. I cannot find Rockbox for Toshiba gigabeat F series
15:20:44Lloreanjharu: What sample code? You'd have to come up with your own algorithm...
15:20:53LloreanMoobeys: It's right there on the current build page...
15:21:11MoobeysOk i will check againg. thankyou
15:21:38jharualso will it work using borland c? or do i have to use linux (i dont know linux)
15:22:18LloreanYou need to use gcc and a linux-like environment (cygwin will do)
15:22:21MoobeysI see it now thankyou Llorean
15:22:44MoobeysWhen i heard about this a almost crapped my pants
15:22:57jharugcc? ill look for cygwin here....
15:23:04Moobeysi had the screen on my gigabeat cracked for a couple years now
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15:23:16Moobeysim gonna go get it fixed now just so i can use rockbox on it :P
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15:23:58countrymonkeyDOn't get it fixed. You can use voice
15:25:04Moobeysvideos is the main reason why i want to get it fixed and install rockbox :)
15:25:18Moobeysso i donthink voice will help too much in that area
15:26:23Moobeysever since i got my gigabeat a couple years ago i was wondering if there was a program out there that could allow it to play vids and all that
15:26:30MoobeysWoo viva la rockbox!!
15:26:53Moobeysthanks guys cya!
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15:27:05jharuanybody know how to use cygwin? as i said im a noob at linux... any links for tutorials?
15:28:10LloreanThere's a page in the wiki called SimpleGuideToCompiling
15:28:14LloreanIt seems to help a lot of folks
15:29:57countrymonkeyincluding myself
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15:32:26jharuand gcc is? (sorry totally win dependent guy...)
15:33:45LloreanThe compiler we use. Specifically we use variants of it to compile code for the processors in the devices
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15:35:05jharugoogling gcc....
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15:42:21jharuwhere is the dload section? kept bumpin to mirrors still no dl here button....
15:42:58LloreanWhat mirrors? Rockbox doesn't have mirrors.
15:43:35jharuno i mean in the gcc page. cant seem to dl the software.
15:43:51LloreanDid you read the SimpleGuideToCompiling page?
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15:43:56LloreanIt includes instructions for getting the tools
15:44:46jharucant find it. tried using go to but yielded nada...
15:45:16LloreanDid you type it EXACTLY as I did?
15:45:20LloreanIncluding upper and lower case letters?
15:46:02jharumirc uses autocopy and i think it doesnt change the spelling ryt?
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15:46:59LloreanAll I know is I just typed it into the GoTo box myself without problems.
15:47:28jharumine doest seem to work... ill try again.
15:47:48LloreanAnd "Ryt" isn't a word. Is it really too hard to type two more letters? You should get in the habit of using real words around here, because some of our channel regulars aren't native English speakers, and it's harder to "guess the similar word" if you don't speak English natively.
15:49:26jharuerrr sorry bad habit...
15:51:24countrymonkeyWhat is ryt? I am a native english speaker but I don't understand it still since I am new to irc.
15:52:02DefineByte_right, I guess
15:52:07LloreanIt's not an abbreviation. He just meant "right" as far as I can tell.
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15:53:44jharucorrect me if im wrong but is gcc a linux based program? the site just shows pages (assuming) that i have to compile? and yes ryt means rigth using "write what you hear" lingo.
15:54:36LloreanI told you, simply use the "SimpleGuideToCompiling" page.
15:54:46Lloreangcc has versions on pretty much any operating system.
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15:55:20LloreanBut you need to set up specialized cross-compiler versions of gcc. Which is why you really need to follow directions specific to Rockbox.
15:56:44jharunow im really lost... reading the gude still...
15:57:40jharuhow about the vm one? is it user friendly enough to learn?
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16:01:30jharuok this will be a hell of a vacation if i made this work! thanks guys
16:02:39jharuheck! what large files at veeeerrryyy slow tranfer rates....
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16:12:21countrymonkeyWhat was that all about?
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16:14:55DerPapsthey bluebrother :-)
16:15:02bluebrotherhey :)
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16:16:03*bluebrother prepares a commit
16:16:22bluebrotherbtw, viewvc is currently broken ... (but I guess this is already known)
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16:16:37Bagderit is, yes
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16:16:49BagderI'm handing that problem to Zagor
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16:17:16bluebrotherthe repository browser thingy
16:17:36Nico_PBagder: could you add me to the logbot list?
16:18:58jharustill confused.
16:19:27DerPapstabout viewvc?
16:19:29krazykitjharu, i believe it's the web frontend to SVN.
16:19:30countrymonkeyIf I took a look at 8219, could it be committed once I said it was through?
16:20:37Nico_PBagder: thanks :)
16:20:41jharuthe signs of a noob is showing upon me...
16:21:01bluebrotherviewvc is a web frontend to cvs and svn
16:21:28DerPapstthe thing opn the front page below the headline Subversion
16:21:38DerPapstif you click on a link there you get an error
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16:23:01countrymonkey8219 is a lang update. Shouldn't it be committed straight away?
16:23:36krazykitcountrymonkey, of course not. what if strings are improperly translated?
16:25:51countrymonkeySo we need a chinese person to go through the whole patch?
16:27:47countrymonkeyAnd rasher, your last update column in the language translation tool in your website is broken.
16:27:53countrymonkeyAnd rasher, your last update column in the language translation tool in your website is broken.
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16:33:17DefineByteAnyone willing to at fs#8313 and fs#8323
16:33:22*bluebrother wonders if copying the sapi vbs script makes sense for non-wndows builds at all
16:33:27DefineByteanyone willing to look at/
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16:34:12Domonokybluebrother: if you find a way to conditionally include it into the resource file..
16:35:22bluebrothernow something is messed up with that copy stuff :(
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16:36:49Domonokybluebrother: its just a copy command in the pro file..
16:37:08bluebrotherDomonoky: I'll check if I find something ... but I should go now
16:37:12*Domonoky is working on voicefile generation.. in rbutil :-)
16:37:17bluebrotherhope my commit didn't broke anything :)
16:37:42bluebrotherit's really annoying not having a proper internet connection.
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16:44:16countrymonkeyAnd rasher, your last update column in the language translation tool in your website is broken.I don't think I am doing it right. What are the steps to build a manual?
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16:45:14krazykitto build the manual? configure, pick your target, choose "manual"
16:45:39countrymonkeyI have done that. I want an html manual. What is the make command?
16:47:55countrymonkeyI'm going to quit and reboot but please post the answer and I'l tcheck thelogs
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16:49:10krazykitcountrymonkey, read the wiki:
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16:51:46jharuis it possible to create moving icons? as in using gif files or anything the like?
16:52:39jharumy cuz is a graphic artist so i can ask him to create that kinda stuff but will it work?
16:53:18markunjharu: someone would need to add support for it in rockbox
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16:53:31DerPapstanimated gifs can'T be used as icons
16:54:00DerPapsttake a look ar the icons on your dap or to see how they look like
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16:54:56jharuis there any alternatives? like a looping icon? im looking and it says .ico
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16:55:18markunjharu: you need to program in C to add support for it
16:55:46DerPapstwell animated icos don't work at all in rockbox yet until someone adds support for them
16:58:12jharuwhy not incorporate the gui in of and revise it in rbx?
16:58:29markunjharu: what do you mean?
16:59:07DerPapstplease... spell out your words.. it's just annoying
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17:00:03jharuthe circling interface used in e200. can we use it as default for the rockbox interface?
17:00:37DerPapstunless you rewrite 40% of rockbox no indeed
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17:01:17markunjharu: what are the strong points for the e200 gui?
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17:01:27markunfor -> of
17:03:49jharuthe navigation is nice and is certainly viewable for those who like me wear glasses
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17:04:48DerPapsti have glasses too and i like the rockbox menu... even with a smaller font :-P
17:05:15countrymonkeyI cannot get the manual to build. even following the dirrections
17:05:48DefineByteare you using cygwin?
17:07:59DefineBytehave you installed unicode support for LaTeX?
17:08:14krazykitjharu, sounds like you just need to use a larger font.
17:08:54countrymonkeyI just clicked on the default packages for both base and mirror download. I don't know what you mean by unicode for latex.
17:09:57countrymonkeydo I install that? Because all that happens is a copy of the manual dir gets copied to my build dir.
17:10:05jharui would like it to be more uhhhh graphically pleasing i guess
17:10:28DerPapstis there a maximum size for icons? if not one could use insanely large icons either :-P
17:10:37DefineByteyou need that to be able to build the manual
17:11:13countrymonkeyI am not tech-savi enough to understand the instructions. Could you please paraphrase this for me?
17:12:16jharu ah well its my first time so im full of foolish ideas. still trying to figure out the linux emulator (vmware) hope i can implement what i just said
17:13:37jharuit would really make rockbox cool in my opinion if it has a interesting gui
17:14:16DefineByteI'm not sure exactly where the files need to go. It's been a while since I used cygwin. Let me look into it.
17:14:17DerPapstif you can't figure out the vmware try cygwin. it's pretty straigt forward either :-)
17:14:29Nico_Pjharu: the priority is to have an efficient GUI... interesting comes after that. Of course if you make a GUI that is both, we'll be all ears
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17:15:48jharubut i dont know the dload for cygwin. it has too much mirrors and i dont know exactly what files to load
17:15:53Nico_Pjharu: also, changing the whole GUI is going to be a lot of work... if you're a beginner it might be a good idea to start by getting familiar with C
17:16:40jharuim familiar with c but on a borland platform
17:16:53DerPapstjharu: select any mirror near you and download the entire dev package.. then you're pretty much on a good way
17:17:26*DerPapst never used borland for anything else then turbo pascal :-D
17:18:09Nico_Pjharu: I would recommend the VM
17:18:28jharuwell pascal is phased out here though...
17:19:43DerPapstno way.. i'm porting rockbox to pascal
17:19:58DerPapstjk :P
17:20:00jharuim dloading vm but its taking too long to download. its already at 51 % and i've yet to dl the other huge file it requires...
17:20:14DefineBytecountrymonkey: I think you need to put the files mentioned in the instructions into /texmf/tex/latex/
17:20:44LloreanI think the maximum height for icons is 32
17:20:51jharupascal rockbox?!
17:23:19countrymonkeyI am working on a windows box and cannot find those dirrectories.
17:24:02DefineBytetry /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/unicode/
17:24:54krazykitDerPapst, nah, rewrite rockbox in perl!
17:25:17countrymonkeyI cannot find the unicode dirrectory.
17:26:02countrymonkeywrite rb in basic! that settles it
17:26:06DefineBytejust put them in latex then
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17:26:12DefineBytei don't think it matters
17:26:19countrymonkeythanks. Let's try it
17:26:41christosi want to ask if it can be greek support for the virtual keyboard
17:26:46christoswhen i seek in database
17:28:36christosanybody knows?
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17:28:51krazykitchristos, please be patient in waiting for an answer
17:29:07LloreanI was just about to give him one too.
17:29:19LloreanI had to dig up the name of the wiki page for custom keyboards
17:29:58DefineByteit would be good if the chatbot could be configured to send a user a message the next time they joined.
17:29:59jharuwell christos seems a bit busy. lol
17:30:52jharuthat may mean logging and adding in asort of list
17:31:09krazykitjharu, this channel IS logged.
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17:31:29countrymonkeyThey say put the data/* in your latex dir. Does that mean the dir or the contents?
17:31:52DefineBytetry the contents I guess
17:32:13jharukinda like yahoo messenger. and i mean logging to the user not the irc
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17:35:21countrymonkeyno difference
17:35:28DefineBytedid you run mktexlsr?
17:36:08DefineByteand probably 'make clean' to be safe
17:36:20DefineBytein the build directory/
17:36:42countrymonkeyDo i just type that in?
17:37:16countrymonkeyit said no such file or dirrectory
17:37:47DefineByteI guess not then x)
17:38:14countrymonkeyso what do I do?
17:38:17DefineBytetry it from root? dunno
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17:39:09countrymonkeygoing to a xmas party, will dbg this later
17:39:18DefineByteokay, have fun
17:39:40Agrajag__Guys, any idea why, after booting the original firmware I suddenly can't get my iPod Photo to reboot the RB firmware?
17:39:41countrymonkeyThanks. I'll come back when i get home.
17:40:16DefineByteif I'm not here try and track down pixelma
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17:40:21DefineByteah well
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17:44:13Agrajag__Guys, any idea why, after booting the original firmware I suddenly can't get my iPod Photo to reboot the RB firmware?
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17:45:02krazykitAgrajag__, have you read the manual, specifically the part about dual-booting?
17:45:24Agrajag__Yes. I've dual-booted several times. No problem. Suddenly yesterday it just stopped doing it.
17:45:36Topy44hm... just playing around with the mpegplayer... it says on x5 160x128 should go as high as 32fps... but i cant seem to get above 21fps
17:45:52Agrajag__The firmware never shows up to allow me to get back. It just INSTANTLY boots the original firmware each time now.
17:45:59Topy44neighter on elephants dream nor on my own encodes
17:46:29krazykitAgrajag__, i'm not familiar with iPods. have you tried reinstalling the bootloader?
17:46:35DerPapstTopy44: and your build is up to date?
17:46:55Agrajag__That's the next step. Was hoping to avoid it and find out what caused this so I can avoid it in the future. Thanks.
17:47:02DefineByteyou didn't repair the Ipod with Itunes did you?
17:47:11LloreanDerPapst: He also needs to have frame limiting and frame skipping disabled
17:47:16DerPapstAgrajag__: the bootloader shouldn't just vanish on iPods
17:47:21Agrajag__iTunes? What's that? hehehehe I don't even have that on my system.
17:47:37Agrajag__That's what has me concerned. The folder is there. Seems fine.
17:47:41Topy44just found out... youre right, with frame limiting and skipping disabled, i get 21fps
17:48:01Agrajag__I just installed Media Monkey 3.0 release candidate 4 and sync'ed with it.
17:48:08Topy44but it skips more than necessary with frame skipping active
17:48:13DerPapstAgrajag__: run ./ipodpather −−list and check if the bootloader is still there
17:48:32Agrajag__Where do I find that?
17:48:43Topy44[17:47] <Topy44> just found out... youre right, with frame limiting and skipping disabled, i get 21fps <== i ment 31fps
17:48:45DerPapsthow did you install rockbox?
17:49:07Agrajag__Oh, ipodPATCHER (you said pather above)
17:49:19Agrajag__I did it manually initially.
17:49:26Agrajag__Has been working just fine for weeks
17:49:40Agrajag__hehehe. I thought maybe there was a path checker I didn't know about.
17:50:11Agrajag__I'll go grab the iPod
17:51:02Agrajag__Oh, lastly, I JUST started using iPod playlist and read that RB doesn't understand iPod playlists. That I need to do some registry change to get RB to use M3U's instead of the iPod database to do this. Is that accurate?
17:51:12Topy44hm... with a smaller video (as in, not as cpu intensive) i get the expected 25fps with skipping active
17:51:44Topy44it seems that the skipping itself uses so much cpu power that it has to start skipping frames even though there would be enough power to display them all
17:51:45Topy44(or so)
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17:53:47DerPapstrocbox has it's own database format and understands m3u... if that answers your question
17:55:02LloreanTopy44: I've never experienced this. If a video can get 30fps with skipping off, and is recorded at 25fps, with skipping AND limiting on, it should play at 25fps.
17:55:04Agrajag__Listing firmware partition contents:
17:55:04Agrajag__Image 1:
17:55:04DBUGEnqueued KICK Agrajag__
17:55:04Agrajag__ Main firmware - 5387776 bytes
17:55:04Agrajag__ Third-party bootloader - 49276 bytes
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17:55:05Agrajag__Image 2:
17:55:07Agrajag__ AUPD - 1109716 bytes
17:55:13LloreanAgrajag__: Please do not paste into the channel
17:55:18Agrajag__Oops. Okay
17:55:34Agrajag__That's what ipodpatcher sees. Looks to me like it sees firmware.
17:55:37DerPapstAgrajag__: plase use next time...
17:55:39Topy44Llorean, i tried several times, if i activate skipping the framerate goes down to about 21
17:55:43Topy44i'll try around some more
17:55:45DerPapstbut no bootloader
17:56:10DerPapstresintall the bootloaderwith ./ipodpatcher -i
17:56:24Agrajag__Wonder what blew it out? Very strange.
17:57:04DerPapstno idea... normally it doesn't simply vanish without the user doing someting to make it go away.
17:57:26Topy44so... with skipping and limiting on it stabilises around 20-23, with skipping off i get 25.x
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17:57:44Agrajag__Well, at least now I have the answer. Thanks. Now time to figure out how to handle the playlist issue. Off to the forums.
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17:58:43Topy44(160x128 mpeg2 at 300kbit with mp3 sound at 128kbit)
17:59:04jharuabout that 32 llorean is it 32 mm or 32 pixels?
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17:59:11Topy44with a smaller video (90x60) that wont happen, the fps stays the same
17:59:14LloreanTopy44: 300kbit is far higher bitrate than you need for that screen, I'd say.
17:59:56LloreanTopy44: But if you only get 25 with them disabled, then it may be expected. That's an average, and it's probably falling below 25 quite often.
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18:00:13Lloreanjharu: What 32?
18:00:27jharuthe max icon size
18:00:46bodhammeris this a good place for user questions or is it dev only?
18:00:47Topy44Llorean, i get 25 with limiting enabled and skipping disabled, and 21 with both enabled
18:01:07DefineByteuser questions are welcome. :)
18:01:09LloreanTopy44: And what SVN revision are you running?
18:01:21Topy44yesterdays, let me check the revision...
18:02:08LloreanAh well then, 's the best you'll get I guess.
18:02:12LloreanYou'll just have to accept it
18:02:21Topy44well, guess so
18:02:33Topy44i'll try around with a 30fps videostream, lets see what the effect is
18:02:54bodhammerI have a Sansa e250 with a 2GB MicroSD. My database seems to get corrupted. I'm using the daily builds from the last couple of weeks. I have forced updates as well as just deleted them but it keeps happening. Known bug?
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18:03:03dionoeaBagder: looks like there's an error in the svn viewer (for example on;r2=15933 ) "ImportError: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
18:03:23LloreanTopy44: You can probably do about 180-220kbps by the way, for your screen size
18:03:28mexicankillerwhat happens with your sansa?
18:03:32mexicankillerI may help
18:03:54Lloreanbodhammer: Corrupted in what way?
18:04:08mexicankillerI guess he is having the problems
18:04:12mexicankillerof the cache
18:04:20bodhammerworst was a total lockup on boot, had to delete the database files to get it to even boot
18:04:23mexicankillerI mean when the database is cached
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18:04:40bodhammerother times I can get to a song buit it will not start playing
18:04:51mexicankillerbodhammer I have to say that the sansa is a very problematic dap
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18:04:58Lloreanbodhammer: What SVN revision?
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18:05:07bodhammerglad I only payed $29 for a refirb! ;-)
18:05:11Lloreanmexicankiller: That's a rather striking generalization. I have two sansas, and no troubles with either.
18:05:21mexicankilleroh sorry
18:05:58Lloreanbodhammer: Are you using a current, official build? And if so, what format is your music?
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18:06:14bodhammerright now r15930-071214
18:06:17mexicankillerLlorean do you know where I can get the memory modules for the sansa?,I don't mean micro sd cards
18:06:26bodhammerall music is MP3
18:06:45Lloreanmexicankiller: No, this channel is about Rockbox, which primarily means *software* development. Look for identifying marks on the chips, and google.
18:06:57mexicankilleroh ok
18:07:09Lloreanbodhammer: Try disabling auto-update and only using manual updates. I've heard some people have found auto-update to be problematic recently
18:07:41bodhammerLlorean: ok, thx
18:07:47mexicankillerLlorean automatic update has been problematic since the make of the micro sd patch
18:08:19mexicankillerbecause you have to unify both databases,do it gets mad when updating
18:08:49bodhammerIf I use the Sansa firmware, it there anyway to prevent "refreshing database" on every boot?
18:09:00mexicankilleryou can't prevent it
18:09:07bodhammerso lame...
18:09:45mexicankillerthe firmware has to update the changes,so therefore you can't evitate
18:09:53krazykitmexicankiller, wrong, actually
18:09:55bodhammerwhat changes?
18:10:05mexicankilleroh ok
18:10:09mexicankillerI'm wrong
18:10:15mexicankillermay you correct me
18:10:31krazykitbodhammer, if you turn on the sansa by simply plugging in the USB cable, recent bootloaders should prevent it from updating the database.
18:10:56bodhammerkrazykit: rockbox or sansa?
18:10:56krazykithowever, if you intend to USE the OF for playing music, then you cannot prevent it from rebuilding the database.
18:10:58mexicankilleroh my lord,I didn't knew that
18:11:47krazykitbodhammer, the sansa. this is a feature of the rockbox bootloader
18:12:08bodhammerI use Rockbox because of the no rebuild and fast boot. Really impressive if I can keep it running...
18:12:30mexicankillerwell rockbox has been impresive for ages
18:12:37mexicankillerand still is
18:12:42krazykitif there's a microSD card, though, it will update the database no matter what.
18:13:04mexicankillerits something that you can't stop
18:13:16mexicankillerwhen you have an external memory
18:13:24bodhammerDon't understand why they don't fix that... Stopped me from getting a View for Xmas
18:13:30krazykitmexicankiller, is there a reason you're paraphrasing me?
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18:13:44mexicankillerpara what?
18:13:54krazykitwriting what i say differently.
18:14:07mexicankillerI'm really sorry
18:14:17mexicankillerI didn't knew
18:14:23mexicankillerthat I was doing that
18:17:16mexicankillerabout the rockbox for Ipod nano 1st gen
18:17:29bodhammerI also don't see the load to ram database option in setting as per the manual, is that stll an option?
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18:19:59jharuwell gotta go, ill check what i can do about the gui that is both functional and funky. hop i do it in a week or so.....
18:20:06Topy44ok... interesting result with a 30fps file... the frame skipper still cuts down framerate by about 2fps
18:20:15Topy44so its NOT a cpu load problem
18:20:43Topy44i get 28fps with a 30fps file with skipper, and full 30fps without
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18:21:15LloreanCan you see the file playing slowly, or are you just going by the number?
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18:23:10Topy44yes, i believe that i can see some stutter, but we're talking about 28 vs 30fps here... i really cant say if i'm imagining it :)
18:23:38Topy44with frame skipping on, it takes about 30 sec for the fps to stabilize, with skipping off its stable 30.1 almost instantly
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18:24:30LloreanI just know the frameskipping doesn't cause a problem like this on any of the players I own.
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18:25:24Topy44well, the x5 is one of the lower cpu power targets
18:25:31LloreanNo, it's not.
18:25:46Topy44no? well, i dont really know the tech data of all the machines :)
18:25:58LloreanIt's just not one of the high CPU targets.
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18:26:15LloreanBut with its small screen size, and fast enough processor it shouldn't be a problem
18:26:41LloreanNot to mention if you have enough overhead to play 30fps, it doesn't make sense that frameskipping has the same penalty at both rates
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18:26:53Topy44exactly, thats the weird thing
18:26:54LloreanjhMikeS might have an answer if/when he's around
18:27:06Topy44it may really just be a problem with the fps display
18:27:42LloreanI keep the FPS display turned off anyway. As long as the video's in sync with the audio, all is well.
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18:28:25LloreanBut I've been doing some testing for new presets today and yesterday, and was actually watching the FPS display, and no such behaviour as you had.
18:28:36LloreanBut I don't have an X5 or H300
18:29:57Topy44just doing one more test
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18:33:39PaulPositionTopy44 - You managed to get that vmware working? I dunno, but I have version 2.02 here and it works alright. But I started from the original image, not the expanded working copy (or whatever they'd call it)...
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18:35:05Topy44yes, got it working - i just installed good old 1.something :)
18:35:14Topy44fed up with it
18:35:50LloreanIs this Rockbox related?
18:36:12Topy44Llorean, yes, i had problems getting the rockbox vmware image to run on a current vmware version
18:36:20Topy44while it runs fine on an old version
18:36:51PaulPositionGood, then. :)
18:37:30Topy44now thats interesting... if i make a 10fps file (just for a test) the frame skipper doesnt affect it
18:38:01Topy44it seems that it only happens if the cpu load is close to 100% (but noch quite)
18:39:18jhMikeSTopy44: realize that it's not all about raw FPS and just because you can average 30fps over the long term, frames may need skipping in order to maintain sync in the short term.
18:40:04jhMikeSDecoding is not a constant load operation
18:40:07LloreanI probably should've elaborated on that earlier.
18:40:51Topy44i did suspect something like that - that while 30fps can be decoded in a second, one of the frames may take longer than the allowed 1/30th of a second to get decoded
18:43:06joris__Is there some information about how rockbox handles hard disks on the archos and is there any preferred hard disk when it comes to reads per minute?
18:43:35joris__Will the faster ones die faster?
18:44:04jhMikeSTopy44: it's pretty generous. your best bet is to use enough B-frames and it can conceal any drops the best way then.
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20:21:52parafinwhich sample rate does ipod 5.5G hardware support?
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21:17:53graphyswhen using ipod nano 2nd gen rockbox?
21:18:24RyoSi'd say nevaaaaar?
21:18:30RyoSno really, i dont understand your question
21:18:54scorchegraphys: that device is not supported and may never be
21:19:34graphysscorche: i now but when using rockbox that device?
21:19:57scorchegraphys: as you asking when it will be supported?
21:20:40graphysscorche: i am turkish and i don't speak beautiful english
21:22:38krazykitgraphys, you can not use rockbox on a 2nd gen ipod nano.
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21:24:56graphyskrazykit: ok thanks
21:25:20graphyskrazykit: are we going to use rockbox on a 2nd gen ipod nano?
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21:25:57krazykitgraphys, no, and it may never be usable on a 2nd gen ipod nano
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21:28:47graphyskrazykit: which open source jukebox firmware use to on a 2nd gen ipod nano?
21:28:54krazykitgraphys, there are none
21:29:09graphysoh my god :(
21:29:16graphyskrazykit: thank you
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21:29:54krazykitgraphys, if you want rockbox, look on for the players that can use rockbox
21:30:22graphysi have got a 2nd gen ipod nano :(
21:30:32krazykitsorry then :)
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22:48:02*Bagder got a great private mail about rockbox
22:48:11Bagder"Hi, Could you give me a tutorial or some help on modding a Sansa e260 with rockbox?"
22:48:54BagderA: "yes, see"
22:49:37GodEatergood answer
22:51:48GodEaterOT: I installed SwiftWeasel as my webbrowser to do - seems to render a bit faster than stock firefox. Maybe worth looking at if you like a quick browser.
22:52:33GodEaters/to do/today
22:52:42GodEaterkeyboard gremlins are at work
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23:41:21johnsi'm running rockbox on a video ipod. unfortunately on openbsd (4.2) it does not attach as a umass device but falls back to ugen. booting with the ipod firmware does as usual attach as umass. i assume it _should_ look like a usb mass storage device without doing anything special. i was just trying to verify that.
23:41:58Bagderno, rockbox doesn't do usb on the ipod yet
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23:42:23johnsah, ok thanks!
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23:50:35Bagder(for those who don't read the forum)
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23:53:18p3turhello rockbox ;)
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23:57:35peturBagder: regarding your blog on nmap, are you waiting for a rockboxed player to appear in a movie? ;)
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