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| 00:16:11 | Savior | Can anyone here help me with my RockBox Sansa e200 problem? |
| 00:16:51 | Soap | not if you don't ask. |
| 00:17:12 | bobrules | what is the probelm |
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| 00:17:42 | Savior | After I installed RockBox my computer quit syncing my e200 |
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| 00:18:38 | bobrules | is it connected to your computer? |
| 00:18:43 | krazykit | Savior, are you booting into the original firmware? |
| 00:19:22 | Savior | Yes, my e200 is connected to my computer right now. |
| 00:19:35 | bobrules | does it show the original firmware? |
| 00:19:41 | bobrules | just press and hold power |
| 00:19:44 | bobrules | it will restart |
| 00:20:26 | Savior | Ok, it's off. |
| 00:20:58 | bobrules | restart it |
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| 00:21:13 | Savior | k |
| 00:21:20 | bobrules | what do you see? |
| 00:21:35 | Savior | on my computer or on my Sansa? |
| 00:21:45 | bobrules | sansa |
| 00:22:11 | Savior | it loaded up the "Sansdisk" logo, then the "rockBox" logo, and now I'm on the main menu |
| 00:22:20 | Savior | *RockBox |
| 00:22:44 | bobrules | that's weird it should automatically go to your original firmware |
| 00:23:28 | bobrules | unplug your sansa from the computer then plug it backin does it turn on by itself? |
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| 00:23:42 | krazykit | Savior, you should be able to turn the sansa off, plug it into the computer, and it will automatically boot into the original firmware |
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| 00:24:28 | Savior | it loaded by itself and then went to the RockBox menu |
| 00:24:38 | Savior | wait, it's on the original menu now |
| 00:24:54 | krazykit | you should be able to sync now |
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| 00:25:43 | Savior | my computer still won't sync it |
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| 00:26:24 | Savior | it said that it found a device, but when I go to My Computer my Sansa isn't listed in the drives, and WMP can't find it |
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| 00:27:39 | case__ | hi there |
| 00:27:59 | DefineByte | howdy |
| 00:29:18 | case__ | i've frozen my sansa e2xx with the latest rockbox built. it's seems powered off, else the blue ring which is enlightened... anybody know how i can reset/reboot it? |
| 00:29:52 | krazykit | case__, hold the power button until it turns off, which is about 15 seconds |
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| 00:30:10 | krazykit | Savior, and you're sure it's in the original firmware? have you tried plugging it into a different USB port? |
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| 00:30:42 | case__ | krazykit, thanks a lot |
| 00:30:52 | Savior | Yeah, I've tried all three of the ports on my computer. |
| 00:31:13 | Savior | And it is the original firmware, but it's not on the sync menu |
| 00:31:28 | case__ | by the way, i've tried the latest build because all the builds since some time seems to have a pretty anoying issue: the buttons are not mapped as espected (ie, as before, when it was nice to navigate, etc...) |
| 00:31:52 | krazykit | Savior, have you tried the General Trick for fixing Windows (reboot it)? |
| 00:32:05 | pixelma | case__: that's not an "issue" |
| 00:32:21 | DefineByte | as opposed to the trick for linux (restarting X) x) |
| 00:32:30 | case__ | pixelma, ok, but how can i fix this non-issue? :) |
| 00:32:40 | Savior | I'll try rebooting it... |
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| 00:32:50 | Llorean | case__: Compile a new build using the old keymaps-e200.c file... |
| 00:33:00 | Llorean | The button mapping changed, and the new mapping is described in the manual |
| 00:33:06 | krazykit | case__, 1)get used to the new keymap or 2) what Llorean said. |
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| 00:35:00 | case__ | ok, sorry guys, i was sure it was actualy an issue because i wan't able to understand how this new mapping was supposed to work. i realy thank it was broken. i'll have a look at the manual. |
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| 00:51:20 | intruz | does support for the e200 series of sansas have any exceptions? |
| 00:51:44 | krazykit | intruz, the v2 ones are not supported |
| 00:52:23 | intruz | how can i tell if it is v2 |
| 00:52:33 | intruz | do i have to actually have the device |
| 00:52:44 | intruz | im thinking about buying one and want to make sure it is supported first |
| 00:52:49 | krazykit | the sure-fire way is that the device says "v2" on the back. the box also might say "Audible Support" |
| 00:53:29 | intruz | http://www.ecost.com/Detail.aspx?edp=39402103 |
| 00:54:15 | krazykit | recertified. it's most likely a v1, but it's really impossible to say |
| 00:54:39 | intruz | guess i could always return it |
| 00:54:41 | intruz | ok |
| 00:54:42 | intruz | thanks |
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| 01:04:34 | pixelma | krazykit: there were reports of some refurbished c2x0s (I think) that had the v2 on the back but were actually v1 models |
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| 01:05:47 | pixelma | the safest way I know of to tell them apart is the OF version |
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| 01:26:49 | Savior | so I rebooted my computer, and when I plugged my e200 back in it turned on and gave me a screen with multiple flickering red lines |
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| 01:27:49 | Savior | my computer also refuses to sync my e200 |
| 01:28:01 | krazykit | Savior, well that's strange. try this: unplug the e200, turn it off, then turn it back on while holding left/rewind/back. does it take you to the original firmware without issue? |
| 01:28:57 | Savior | no, now the screen is just black |
| 01:29:05 | bobrules | make sure in your original firmware you are in msc mode |
| 01:30:00 | Savior | I can't change it from MTP because I can't access the original firmware. :/ |
| 01:30:54 | bobrules | when your player is off, press power then immediately hold left |
| 01:31:04 | bobrules | hold it by the way |
| 01:31:34 | Savior | it didn't do anything |
| 01:31:42 | Savior | the LCD screen didn't even turn on |
| 01:31:46 | bobrules | did you use the rockbox utillity to install rockbox? |
| 01:31:47 | Savior | just the scroll ring |
| 01:31:52 | Savior | yeah |
| 01:32:38 | bobrules | you can go into rockbox is that correct? |
| 01:32:43 | Savior | no |
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| 01:33:05 | Savior | when I turn it on now the LCD screen doesn't turn on |
| 01:33:10 | bobrules | hold on, so when you power on you get a blue ring no matter what? |
| 01:33:16 | Savior | yeah |
| 01:33:46 | bobrules | that's a sign of bricked sansa s= |
| 01:33:51 | Savior | D: |
| 01:33:54 | krazykit | bobrules, no, his sansa is NOT bricked |
| 01:34:04 | bobrules | ok |
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| 01:34:14 | krazykit | Savior, check out the SansaE200Unbrick page for recovery mode |
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| 01:34:30 | bobrules | you might wana try going into recovery mode |
| 01:34:31 | Savior | ok |
| 01:35:01 | Savior | ...where can I find this page? |
| 01:35:08 | Savior | is it on the RockBox website? |
| 01:35:19 | krazykit | Savior, on the wiki |
| 01:35:21 | scorche | it is the name of a wiki page on the rockbox site |
| 01:35:40 | Savior | oh, ok |
| 01:36:20 | bobrules | Savior when your put your sansa on hold, then hold record then press power still holding on to record |
| 01:36:38 | bobrules | if it opens follow the instructions |
| 01:37:01 | Savior | it's not opening |
| 01:37:44 | bobrules | do you have a v2 on the back of your sansa? |
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| 01:37:59 | Savior | no |
| 01:38:38 | bobrules | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzEHrOEWv8A |
| 01:38:43 | bobrules | my bad |
| 01:38:45 | bobrules | wrong thing |
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| 01:38:50 | bobrules | don't go in their |
| 01:38:52 | bobrules | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzEHrOEWv8A |
| 01:39:07 | bobrules | sorry I didn't copy paste right |
| 01:39:09 | bobrules | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8953 |
| 01:39:19 | bobrules | see if that helps |
| 01:40:22 | bobrules | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19026 |
| 01:40:38 | bobrules | maybe your battery either didn't charge or is dead |
| 01:41:49 | scorche | i want the last 35 seconds of my life back |
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| 01:43:42 | bobrules | I need to go for a while |
| 01:43:48 | bobrules | making cupcakes |
| 01:43:58 | scorche | please stay on-topic.. |
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| 01:53:46 | sauron | confused by the e200 under rockbox skipping to the next song after 2:30, sometimes. |
| 01:54:19 | sauron | consistent within tracks. if a track won't play past 2:30 it never will. |
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| 01:55:29 | sauron | checked encoding. similar, say 128bit encoding gives various results. |
| 01:56:42 | sauron | any pointers? older builds as an option. I'd take a hit on extra's, etc for playback. |
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| 02:24:35 | krazykit | sauron, if this is happening, i'd update to the very newest build, try to reproduce the problem, and make a bug report |
| 02:24:48 | krazykit | sauron, but also make sure that the files play correctly on your computer |
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| 02:25:14 | sauron | done |
| 02:25:51 | sauron | thx krazykit. working ... |
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| 02:29:41 | sauron | krazykit: I'm at the latest build. I'll have to dredge the bugtracking first for dup reports. |
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| 02:48:38 | crzyboyster | are there any more pictureflow updates planned? |
| 02:48:48 | crzyboyster | (please say yes :P) |
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| 02:51:31 | crzyboyster | another question: is it possible to increase the buffer on my nano |
| 02:54:30 | crzyboyster | what's happened? |
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| 02:54:50 | safetydan | no patience these days |
| 02:55:16 | advcomp2019 | safetydan, i was thinking the same |
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| 02:55:49 | crzyboyster | so, anyone got the answer :D i'm back |
| 02:56:12 | safetydan | crzyboyster: people aren't always watching IRC. This is usually a pretty quiet part of the day so responses could be a while in coming. |
| 02:56:28 | safetydan | also, no one plans updates, they just happen whenever someone gets around to it |
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| 02:57:01 | crzyboyster | is it possible to increase the buffer on my nano? |
| 02:57:28 | schlasim | hi guys |
| 02:57:36 | safetydan | crzyboyster: which buffer? |
| 02:57:53 | maraz_ | i would guess the audio buffer |
| 02:57:56 | schlasim | i've a problem running rockbox on my 3g 40gb ipod |
| 02:58:02 | crzyboyster | the playback buffer i think (like for audio and pictureflow) |
| 02:58:29 | schlasim | anyone here who can help me? |
| 02:58:48 | safetydan | schlasim: you'll need to be more specific with what your problem is |
| 02:59:03 | safetydan | crzyboyster: pictureflow uses the plugin buffer which you can change in the source |
| 02:59:34 | schlasim | i will: my problem: i used rbutilqt.exe" |
| 02:59:45 | schlasim | to get rockbox on my ipod |
| 02:59:48 | crzyboyster | safetydan: how would one go about doing this? |
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| 03:00:03 | crzyboyster | and how much is there available to expand? |
| 03:00:06 | Soap | schlasim: what model iPod do you have? |
| 03:00:21 | crzyboyster | also, what is the buffer using? i dont't want my ipod overheating, etc |
| 03:00:22 | Soap | nevermind - I see now - I should have looked up |
| 03:00:31 | safetydan | crzyboyster: find the value, change it and then recompile. It's probably not something you want to change lightly though. |
| 03:00:39 | schlasim | now, when i reboot it it tells me something like "data abort at..." |
| 03:00:39 | krazykit | crzyboyster, your ipod won't overheat from buffer being used. |
| 03:00:59 | schlasim | 3g 40gb (see above) |
| 03:01:39 | crzyboyster | what exactly is the buffer? can someone explain to me, is it just the flash being used? also does more battery get used? |
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| 03:02:22 | maraz_ | crzyboyster: the buffers aren't on the non-volatile flash chip but in the volatile memory of the device |
| 03:02:29 | maraz_ | ie. RAM |
| 03:02:29 | krazykit | crzyboyster, it's roughly analagous to your computer's RAM. |
| 03:02:34 | safetydan | crzyboyster: the buffer is RAM and is where all the program code goes when it's running. It's also used to buffer things loaded from the harddrive (though this isn't as important on flash targets). |
| 03:03:35 | crzyboyster | so how big can this buffer possibly be |
| 03:03:42 | crzyboyster | pushed to its limits |
| 03:03:58 | schlasim | could it be, that only older versions work with my 3g? |
| 03:03:59 | safetydan | 32 MiB minus whatever Rockbox is using for code. |
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| 03:04:09 | safetydan | at least I think the nano has 32 MiB |
| 03:04:12 | Vapre | anyone good at unbricking a sansa w/e200tool? |
| 03:04:17 | krazykit | schlasim, no, new version should work just fine |
| 03:04:36 | crzyboyster | so how much does rockbox use by default? |
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| 03:04:48 | schlasim | what can i do, to solve the problem? |
| 03:04:52 | krazykit | Vapre, what's the issue, specifically |
| 03:04:59 | advcomp2019 | Vapre, there is a few people but what is your issue |
| 03:05:17 | Vapre | well I can get it to recover the BL_SD_BOARDSUPPORTSD.ROM |
| 03:05:23 | Vapre | and I hold down the record button |
| 03:05:26 | Vapre | but it just sits there |
| 03:05:29 | Vapre | is it an i2c issue |
| 03:05:50 | Vapre | and by 'just sits there' I mean it doesn't go into recovery mode |
| 03:06:03 | safetydan | crzyboyster: on the nano it uses around 1.1 MiB I think |
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| 03:06:08 | Vapre | I bought it off ebay |
| 03:06:15 | advcomp2019 | Vapre, you use the the e200tool in manufacturer mode |
| 03:06:17 | Vapre | and whoever had it before me bricked it something spectacularly |
| 03:06:18 | Vapre | Right |
| 03:06:23 | Vapre | I used it in man. mode |
| 03:06:30 | Vapre | I've unbricked other players before |
| 03:06:38 | Vapre | via e200tool and manufacturing mode |
| 03:06:47 | Vapre | but I'm having no luck with this one |
| 03:07:03 | intruz | does rockbox support divx |
| 03:07:13 | advcomp2019 | intruz, no |
| 03:07:18 | krazykit | intruz, no, only mpeg1 and mpeg2. consult the wiki for more information |
| 03:07:52 | Vapre | should I run an i2c program |
| 03:08:01 | schlasim | the only thing that worked was to use rbutilqt v 1.0.1 under linux in combination with ipodpatcher (which i hade to chmod 7xx to get it working)... |
| 03:08:20 | schlasim | so any suggestions to get the new software on to my ipod? |
| 03:08:21 | Vapre | I can get the daughterboard to mount into recovery mode if I put it on another semi-working (bad LCD) board |
| 03:08:27 | krazykit | Vapre, well, you can't really mess it up anymore than it already is, and manu. mode isn't working... |
| 03:09:00 | Vapre | what, if anything is stored on the mainboard? |
| 03:09:15 | Vapre | the BL? The i2c? |
| 03:09:38 | schlasim | Soap, krazykit, Vapre: any suggestions? |
| 03:10:09 | krazykit | schlasim, unzip the latest build into your ipod. if that fails, try an earlier version and try to determine when it breaks? |
| 03:10:21 | safetydan | schlasim: try the manual install process that's documented in the manual. Ensure that you're using the latest version of the ipodpatcher and a current build of rockbox. |
| 03:10:43 | schlasim | where do i get an earlier version? |
| 03:10:48 | Vapre | what's wrong w/his ipod |
| 03:11:02 | krazykit | Vapre, read the log to find out. |
| 03:12:31 | safetydan | schlasim: from the daily build page there's a link to old builds for each target including the iPod 4G |
| 03:12:35 | sauron | krazykit: nm, error exists between console and brain. |
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| 03:12:49 | schlasim | thx |
| 03:13:16 | Vapre | http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipod3g |
| 03:13:25 | Vapre | there's the link to old 3G ipod builds |
| 03:14:27 | Vapre | Has anyone had any luck unbricking a sansa e200 series |
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| 03:15:33 | safetydan | Vapre: I'm assuming you've read the unbrick wiki page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 03:15:35 | krazykit | Vapre, if manufacturing mode isn't rebooting to recovery mode and you're doing the exact same process that you have in the past with other players, it might be worth trying to recover the i2c: you really don't have anything to lose at this point if recovering the bootloader isn't working. |
| 03:16:01 | Vapre | ok |
| 03:16:29 | Vapre | so in e200, that's the i2cprogram switch, right? |
| 03:16:36 | krazykit | whatever the wiki says |
| 03:18:50 | Vapre | so the NAND flash, is that on the daughterboard |
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| 03:21:59 | krazykit | Vapre, as I understand it, yes. |
| 03:22:04 | schlasim | "data abort" again, how do i change to an older version now? just extract it to my ipod? |
| 03:22:13 | krazykit | schlasim, that's correct |
| 03:23:10 | safetydan | schlasim: yes. Though, when was the last time you updated your bootloader with ipodpatcher? The current version is 2.0 |
| 03:23:51 | Vapre | Well then maybe it's a hardware issue? If I can get the daughterboard to work on another sansa mainboard, it's gotta be hardware, or am I wrong |
| 03:23:53 | schlasim | how can i see my version? |
| 03:24:10 | schlasim | i just used ipodpatcher anyway |
| 03:24:25 | schlasim | i downloaded it 10min ago |
| 03:25:41 | safetydan | schlasim: and you reinstalled the bootloader? |
| 03:25:59 | schlasim | yes |
| 03:26:04 | schlasim | i did |
| 03:26:41 | schlasim | i completely set my ipod up (restore in itunes) and after that, i installed the bootloader |
| 03:27:12 | safetydan | right, now which build are you downloading? The exact URL would be good. |
| 03:28:18 | schlasim | ok guys: revision 15942 works |
| 03:28:48 | schlasim | i don't know why, but it does... |
| 03:28:49 | Soap | safetydan: IF he had installed the wrong version of Rockbox, like (for example) he was mistaken on what model he had - would that produce said "data abort" error? |
| 03:29:35 | schlasim | another question: does rockbox support filetransfer for my 3g? |
| 03:29:52 | safetydan | Soap: good point. I was getting confused with a different user error. |
| 03:30:07 | schlasim | or do i have to use itunes to get my songs onto my ipod? |
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| 03:31:48 | safetydan | schlasim: boot in to disk mode and you can copy files however you want. |
| 03:32:51 | schlasim | this means, that rockbox recognizes files, if i just put a couple of mp3's in an arbitrary folder on my ipod? |
| 03:34:25 | safetydan | schlasim: yes. Generally people create a folder called music in the root of their iPod and copy music there in whatever structure they waynt. |
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| 03:35:39 | schlasim | thanks a lot for your assistance! nice work! i'll go to sleep now (we have 3:35 a.m. now ;-)) cu |
| 03:36:41 | sauron | linus is a few minutes away up the hill, as unapproachable as ever. Intel Was a 10 minute commute from downtown, PDX Was a good one. a native. waves! |
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| 04:28:43 | Traveler | is there a way to speed up rockboy? |
| 04:31:10 | safetydan | Traveler: no. Unless you (or someone else) works on optimising the source. |
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| 04:32:12 | Traveler | nah, only game I use rockboy for is pokemon, if anything I should try making my own rock of it instead. new pokemon that way :D |
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| 06:13:24 | BobShield | interesting |
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| 08:42:53 | Rhymer | Ok. I've got a question. Not sure if you guys can help me at all but this's the only place I could think to come. Is there any way to restore a crashed iPOD using Rockbox? Or any application anybody knows of that'll do it other than Itunes as I am totally blind and Itunes isn't accessible. |
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| 08:44:57 | GodEater_ | Rhymer: define "crashed" |
| 08:46:58 | Rhymer | Oh. I was playing music and I turned off the iPOD. |
| 08:47:11 | Rhymer | When I went to turn it on and play music later it would not turn on. |
| 08:47:15 | Rhymer | The screen is black. |
| 08:47:28 | GodEater_ | and a hard reset doesn't work ? |
| 08:47:38 | Rhymer | I connected it to the PC and when I did it didn't show up as a device in windows. |
| 08:47:55 | Rhymer | If I hold it up to my ear it makes a clicking sound as if the drive is trying to spin... |
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| 08:48:20 | Rhymer | How do you do a hard reset? |
| 08:48:28 | Rhymer | I think that's what I did but am not sure. |
| 08:48:40 | GodEater_ | turn the hold switch to on, then to off, and then hold down the menu+select buttons |
| 08:48:49 | GodEater_ | keep them held down until it resets |
| 08:48:57 | Rhymer | Ok. Hang on one second. |
| 08:49:05 | GodEater_ | it'll take closer to ten ;) |
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| 08:49:46 | Rhymer | Nope...Didn't reset. |
| 08:50:01 | Rhymer | Do I need to unplug it from the PC to do that? |
| 08:50:12 | GodEater_ | shouldn't have to but it might help |
| 08:50:20 | GodEater_ | you didn't hold the buttons down long enough though |
| 08:50:20 | Rhymer | Ok. |
| 08:50:24 | GodEater_ | it *can* take nearly a minute |
| 08:50:37 | Rhymer | Here we go. I'm going to try again. |
| 08:52:02 | Rhymer | Nope. |
| 08:52:29 | petur | flat battery? |
| 08:52:44 | GodEater_ | then he should get the "very low battery" screen no ? |
| 08:52:46 | Rhymer | It's been on the charger for a good six hours. |
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| 08:53:52 | GodEater_ | if there's any juice at all, the hard reset should at LEAST get to the very low battery screen |
| 08:53:58 | GodEater_ | if it doesn't - then the iPod is broken |
| 08:54:19 | petur | fyi, the procedure is here: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61705 |
| 08:54:38 | Rhymer | Well...I think my iPOD just bit the dust then as nothing happened that I coluld see...I can see light, enough to know if the screen was lit. |
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| 08:55:02 | GodEater_ | ah - the very low battery screen doesn't have a backlight |
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| 08:55:26 | GodEater_ | which model of ipod do you have ? |
| 08:55:32 | Rhymer | Oh hey! Then that may be why...Um...And it would not have a vocal reminder of any type? |
| 08:55:32 | GodEater_ | I forgot to ask |
| 08:55:50 | GodEater_ | I don't think there's any vocal reminder in any part of Apple's firmware |
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| 08:58:16 | Rhymer | Oh it's a 30-gb iPOD Video. Can'ttell you the model number. |
| 08:58:44 | GodEater_ | you don't need to |
| 08:59:14 | GodEater_ | I just wanted to make sure the reset sequence I'd give you was right for that sort of ipod. It is. |
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| 09:00:29 | Rhymer | *Nods* Thank you for your help. It's much appreciated. Maybe if I'm very very very very lucky it will charge i.e maybe if I'm lucky it went to the low battery screen and will charge a... |
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| 09:01:00 | GodEater_ | bye then |
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| 09:30:45 | GodEater_ | I've just copied linuxstb's design proposal from his original site into the wiki - incase anyone is interested in looking it over : http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ViewPortsDesign |
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| 09:35:45 | Shaid | Hrrm, never really noticed that rockbox only supports one font at a time. I feel my coding juices flowing. |
| 09:36:39 | D|sToRt|oN | lmao |
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| 09:46:31 | petur | GodEater: regarding fg_pattern and bg_pattern, is there a color defined for transparency? otherwise the viewport would remove the backdrop... |
| 09:47:16 | jharu | been trying to run the vmware on my pc but it says noy enough physical mem... what is its minimum requirements? (the virtual machine) im using winxp at 256 ram p4 2ghz |
| 09:47:25 | petur | and using forground transparency, you could draw patterned text on a colored background :) |
| 09:47:43 | jharu | this is my home pc btw |
| 09:47:56 | petur | jharu: your pc only has 256MB memory? |
| 09:48:06 | jharu | yeah... |
| 09:48:20 | jharu | ram not rom |
| 09:48:25 | petur | that will be too little |
| 09:48:41 | petur | I don't know if vmware can use virtual memory |
| 09:49:06 | Shaid | eh, you really wouldn't want it to. |
| 09:49:32 | scorche | jharu: you could always lower the memory it is asking for and see how it does |
| 09:50:00 | GodEater_ | petur: it's linuxstb's proposal :) But feel free to annotate it :) |
| 09:50:18 | jharu | thats why im askin what is the recommended so i can upgrade it. scorche, how can i? it says not enough to even run the guest os... |
| 09:50:39 | jharu | im using sdr not ddr |
| 09:51:00 | GodEater_ | I wouldn't try running ANY sort of VM on a machine with that little memory. |
| 09:52:02 | scorche | jharu: it likely wont help you, as you have so little, but you can reduce the memory it wants by editing the .vmx file...256 is the bare minimum i ever take it though, and that is too much for your system |
| 09:52:18 | jharu | *jharu is thinking what now... is there any possible way to use vmware... |
| 09:52:44 | GodEater_ | I'd be binning the winxp install and installing linux myself. You could try a live cd though. |
| 09:53:06 | GodEater_ | of course, that will only build the simulator though |
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| 09:53:51 | petur | I wouldn't advise jharu to install Linux.... |
| 09:54:10 | GodEater_ | hence the livecd suggestion.... |
| 09:54:18 | jharu | you're using the debian right, i only have redhat... |
| 09:54:43 | GodEater_ | the distro is irrelevant |
| 09:54:50 | jharu | and linspire... |
| 09:55:07 | petur | the vmware image is already slimmed down very much.... |
| 09:55:39 | jharu | yeah bot the vmx for rockbox is a whopping 2 gigs |
| 09:55:59 | GodEater_ | that's to give you some free disc space to play with |
| 09:56:22 | GodEater_ | there'd be little point giving you an image which only had enough room for it's content, and nothing new |
| 09:56:26 | GodEater_ | you wouldn't be able to use it |
| 09:57:18 | jharu | ah well im trying redhat on usb load hope that this works... |
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| 09:59:09 | petur | GodEater: article annotated... |
| 09:59:20 | GodEater_ | cool |
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| 10:22:10 | pixelma | is now someone around who can explain to me what the "Charge During USB Connection" setting in the battery submenu does (or should do) and what it is good for? I'd like to describe it in the manual as it's currently not even mentioned. |
| 10:22:57 | petur | isn't it fairly obvious or am I missing something? |
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| 10:23:23 | markun | pixelma: it's not implemeted for the Gigabeat, don't know which targets do support it |
| 10:23:27 | pixelma | why would I have to turn it on or off? |
| 10:23:51 | pixelma | markun: but the setting is there on the Gigabeats (according to the sim...) |
| 10:23:55 | markun | maybe if you connect your player with OTG you don't want to drain the battery of the other device |
| 10:24:06 | petur | if you don't want short charge cycles every time you connect it to pc? |
| 10:24:10 | markun | pixelma: yes, there is not #ifdef around it I guess |
| 10:24:29 | markun | not -> no |
| 10:24:34 | pixelma | markun: there must be as it is not on my M5 for example |
| 10:24:41 | pixelma | not there |
| 10:24:42 | markun | ah, let me check |
| 10:24:53 | markun | maybe the M5 has no USB charging at all |
| 10:25:13 | markun | the Gigabeat has, but we can't turn it off (at least we don't know how to do it) |
| 10:25:22 | pixelma | aha |
| 10:27:00 | pixelma | so, the question changes: is it necessary to explain a non-working feature? And on which targets is it working? |
| 10:27:14 | pondlife | Works on H300 |
| 10:27:52 | markun | maybe we should add a HAVE_ENABLE_USB_CHARGING |
| 10:27:52 | pondlife | And ideally it should be not listed until it works (in settings or manual) |
| 10:30:25 | Zagor | I question the value of the option |
| 10:31:04 | pondlife | LinusN wanted it, IIRC |
| 10:31:14 | pixelma | I could find it in the following sims: FM-Recorder/RecorderV2, H300, Gigabeat, some Ipods - so I guess the only ones where it is working are the H300 and the Archos ones? |
| 10:31:54 | pixelma | Zagor: that's what I thought. Maybe I shouldn't bother after all. |
| 10:32:03 | pondlife | Personally I'd always want to charge if possible, but it's currently only taking 100mA on H300, rather than the full 500mA |
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| 10:35:01 | Zagor | pondlife: do we know if that is due to our charging code or is the pc only "sending" 100mA? |
| 10:35:23 | pondlife | Not sure, but the OF allegedly uses 500mA |
| 10:35:29 | pondlife | If you believe Windows |
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| 10:35:37 | pondlife | So probably us |
| 10:35:44 | petur | the OF has a setting for it I think |
| 10:36:16 | petur | you can set USB to hub or PC and I think it selects charging |
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| 10:41:24 | yoavk | where can I get a list of all the buttons? |
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| 10:45:27 | pixelma | and why is there no battery capacity setting on the Sansas? :> |
| 10:46:03 | markun | yoavk: in firmware/target in the folder for your target look at button-target.h |
| 10:46:14 | linuxstb | petur: Regarding your fg_pattern/bg_pattern question, backdrops would (at least for the first implementation) remain global - i.e. the backdrop is related to the screen, not to any particular viewport, So if the screen has a backdrop set, then that's what will be used as the background for all viewports on that screen. |
| 10:46:30 | petur | sure |
| 10:47:25 | petur | I was thinking about the fg/bg setting of each viewport. If you can only specify a color, the backdrop would be obscured |
| 10:47:42 | rasher | pixelma: because only one type of battery exists for it afaik? |
| 10:48:00 | yoavk | markun: Thanks |
| 10:48:27 | markun | no problem |
| 10:49:01 | yoavk | How do I check if more than one button is pressed simultaneously? |
| 10:49:07 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: hope you don't mind me posting that |
| 10:49:38 | linuxstb | petur: That's what I'm saying - if the screen has a backdrop, the bgpattern for all viewports is ignored. |
| 10:50:31 | petur | oh... |
| 10:52:07 | markun | yoavk: with the OR operator: | |
| 10:52:40 | GodEater_ | markun: why not & ? |
| 10:52:42 | pixelma | rasher: maybe, but who knows when others will be available - isn't it a bit of an artificial restriction? By the way, the lang file does not exclude these strings... |
| 10:52:53 | yoavk | markun: meaning somthing like: case BUTTON_PLAY | BUTTON_SELECT: |
| 10:52:57 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Not at all. |
| 10:54:00 | GodEater_ | it's just the subject came up yesterday, and I had to do some digging to find the url to your original page :) |
| 10:54:35 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Although why does the page use "View Ports" in some places, and "viewports" in others? |
| 10:54:52 | GodEater_ | good question |
| 10:54:56 | GodEater_ | let me tidy that up ;) |
| 10:55:32 | petur | do that, before DefineByte comes along ;) |
| 10:55:35 | rasher | pixelma: well, when replacements pop up, it's hardly a bother to add the setting |
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| 10:56:56 | markun | yoavk: yes |
| 10:58:20 | GodEater_ | I've left it as "view port" when describing it in the text (as I'm not sure that 'viewport' is a real english word) but "viewport" in code samples. Acceptable ? |
| 10:58:35 | linuxstb | I would have kept viewport everywhere... |
| 10:58:43 | GodEater_ | really ? |
| 10:59:03 | GodEater_ | it's not a real word though |
| 10:59:49 | petur | it's not supposed to be a real word, it's a new term |
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| 11:00:39 | linuxstb | It's a standard term in computer graphics. |
| 11:01:04 | GodEater_ | ok changed it then |
| 11:01:50 | * | GodEater_ changes his forum post to match |
| 11:02:58 | linuxstb | Although you're right - it's not in the dictionary.... |
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| 11:08:31 | GodEater_ | I can't even find a satisfactory definition in terms of computer graphics - different sources disagree over it's definition |
| 11:08:50 | GodEater_ | anyway - it's now a defined term for Rockbox ;) |
| 11:08:53 | petur | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viewport |
| 11:10:07 | GodEater_ | yes - telling it's actually "Window" |
| 11:14:06 | petur | anyway, viewport gives 1150000 hits in google so it's not really new ;) |
| 11:14:45 | petur | also used in opengl it seems |
| 11:16:15 | GodEater_ | yes, but again not the way we're using it |
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| 11:25:32 | GodEater_ | godeater.cream.org/Xmas_Tree_To_Be_Proud_Of.jpg">http://godeater.cream.org/Xmas_Tree_To_Be_Proud_Of.jpg <−− esp. if you're petur |
| 11:27:35 | Zagor | GodEater_: impressive! |
| 11:27:54 | GodEater_ | I thought so too :) |
| 11:28:03 | GodEater_ | couldn't have it in a house with kids/pets though |
| 11:28:08 | Zagor | hehe |
| 11:29:11 | GodEater_ | well - not unless you liked the view in the hospital / vet waiting room |
| 11:29:41 | pixelma | full or empty bottles? :) |
| 11:30:58 | GodEater_ | empty - you'd end up breaking it if they were full - when you tried to get to the ones in the middle to drink them |
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| 11:34:15 | jharu | ther must be another way to make my vmware work... i tried linux but its a bit technical to use... |
| 11:35:02 | Bagder | if you run linux with vmware, that's... just linux |
| 11:35:36 | Bagder | running something else with vmware on windows to do rockbox dev seems rather pointless |
| 11:35:43 | Bagder | then you can just as well go the cygwin route |
| 11:36:19 | Bagder | but I don't know if cygwin is easier to any particular extent |
| 11:36:37 | GodEater_ | it's not really - same commands, just different underlying back end |
| 11:37:29 | GodEater_ | and therefore slower ;) |
| 11:37:56 | pixelma | I think cygwin is not that demanding on a low RAM box but it will probably be dog slow too |
| 11:38:24 | GodEater_ | would definitely be preferable to trying to run a vmware image |
| 11:38:40 | yoavk | How can I debug a plugin without compiling rockbox? |
| 11:38:52 | GodEater_ | yoavk: with extreme difficulty |
| 11:39:08 | Bagder | debug without compiling? how do you do that? |
| 11:39:19 | JoshW | get someone else to do it for you? |
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| 11:39:28 | Bagder | or just read code I guess |
| 11:39:31 | markun | yoavk: which plugin are you working on? |
| 11:39:32 | GodEater_ | you turn your mind into a state machine, and run the code in your head |
| 11:39:38 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 11:39:44 | yoavk | Badger: I mean to debug only the plugin without compiling the whole project |
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| 11:40:42 | GodEater_ | yoavk: you mean you've changed something in the plugin code, and just need to rebuild that bit to debug it ? |
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| 11:41:53 | GodEater_ | yoavk: you mean you've changed something in the plugin code, and just need to rebuild that bit to debug it ? |
| 11:42:14 | yoavk | GodEater_: yes |
| 11:42:30 | GodEater_ | yoavk: just saying "make" again should only rebuild the code which has changed |
| 11:42:42 | GodEater_ | provided you haven't done a "make clean" in the middle somewhere |
| 11:42:51 | yoavk | GodEater: Thanks |
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| 11:49:50 | jharu | ok... seems that i dont have any choices for makin vmware work on this trashy pc. any other way i can help? |
| 11:51:41 | GodEater_ | jharu: have you tried cygwin ? |
| 11:52:25 | jharu | the big question is will it work even if im using a 256 mb ram pc. |
| 11:52:36 | GodEater_ | it should work a great deal better than vmwaer |
| 11:52:39 | GodEater_ | *vmware |
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| 11:52:50 | jharu | ok ill try it. |
| 11:52:55 | GodEater_ | it's also considerably smaller than 2 gig |
| 11:53:18 | GodEater_ | jharu: make sure you follow the guide in the wiki for installing a rockbox dev environment using cygwin |
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| 11:53:27 | GodEater_ | and not just cygwin's own install guide |
| 11:53:44 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:54:05 | jharu | errr... ill ask for the how to if ever i got lost. ;] |
| 11:54:14 | petur | and have lots of free time... |
| 11:54:15 | GodEater_ | why not read it now |
| 11:54:42 | GodEater_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 11:54:46 | Bagder | you'll recognize the commands, since they're the same you got lost with on the vmware image ;-) |
| 11:55:07 | Bagder | svn co etc I mean |
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| 11:55:38 | jharu | lol so you are always spyin on my worthless mistakes huh, badger... i mean bagder |
| 11:55:52 | * | Bagder rubs salt in wounds for fun |
| 11:56:02 | pondlife | Mmm, salt... |
| 11:56:10 | jharu | try lemons |
| 11:58:11 | pondlife | Ow |
| 11:58:26 | pondlife | That smarts worse than salt |
| 11:58:51 | jharu | but heals twice as quickly |
| 11:59:04 | jharu | tried it myself |
| 11:59:08 | * | pondlife tries salt on one arm, lemon on the other |
| 11:59:29 | pondlife | With equal sized wounds, of course |
| 11:59:37 | jharu | lol |
| 11:59:54 | pondlife | Entirely OT, but not entirely unscientific. |
| 11:59:59 | GodEater_ | pondlife: I don't think it works on dislocated shoulders... |
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| 12:00:18 | jharu | cygwin asks if dos or unix for default text... |
| 12:00:22 | GodEater_ | unix |
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| 12:01:09 | petur | unless you plan to use tortoisesvn... |
| 12:01:17 | Bonusbartus | hi all |
| 12:01:34 | pixelma | jharu: the third option would be using CoLinux (the wiki knows too). IIRC soap preferred it to cygwin on an old box and is the maintainer of the CoLinux package... |
| 12:01:38 | Bonusbartus | nice, this webbased irc works on windows mobile:) |
| 12:02:02 | Bonusbartus | I was here yesterday because of my h340 giving me trouble |
| 12:02:11 | petur | pixelma: tried colinux once and failed... |
| 12:02:56 | pixelma | hmm... haven't tried myself, just thought I'd state this option too for completeness :) |
| 12:03:11 | GodEater_ | pixelma: at least wait for cygwin to fail first ;) |
| 12:03:14 | jharu | now pixelma tells me... it asks where to downloadsite... any recommendation on where? |
| 12:03:17 | petur | well it isn't that easy |
| 12:03:23 | Bonusbartus | I switched to a supported build (current build) and at first my player functioned normally, I've used the player without problems till the battery was empty |
| 12:03:37 | GodEater_ | jharu: find a mirror site located close to you |
| 12:03:50 | Bonusbartus | this morning the hdd started spinning like an idiot again |
| 12:04:04 | Bonusbartus | music kept stuttering |
| 12:04:32 | petur | Bonusbartus: do know that this type of battery doesn't like deep discharges |
| 12:04:53 | Bonusbartus | I know, but it switched of at 25% |
| 12:05:02 | petur | ah ok |
| 12:05:10 | jharu | yeah right, the saudis know how to use the pc as if it was made to be disposable... |
| 12:05:17 | Bonusbartus | but I found out what caused the problem... and I don't like it |
| 12:05:30 | GodEater_ | jharu: what? |
| 12:05:40 | jharu | no links nearest in here so ill just try to click one by one... |
| 12:05:56 | Bonusbartus | after swithing of "gathering runtime data" the problem is gone... |
| 12:05:57 | GodEater_ | jharu: ONE of those links has to be nearest to you by definition |
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| 12:06:05 | GodEater_ | unless you live on the edge of the solar syste |
| 12:06:07 | GodEater_ | +m |
| 12:06:50 | GodEater_ | in which case I congratulate you on your FTL net connection ;) |
| 12:07:09 | Bonusbartus | anyone know how that option can cause my problem? |
| 12:07:27 | jharu | godeater, im in the middle east. where technology is updated but the people use it like its just a piece of toy. you'd laugh that they dont know how to use nero though they can buy a 10,000 usd laptop. |
| 12:07:54 | GodEater_ | jharu: I fail to see what that has to do with your choice of mirror site |
| 12:08:25 | jharu | the first one was blocked. |
| 12:08:40 | jharu | arggh... its blocked again... |
| 12:09:08 | GodEater_ | greece or india ? |
| 12:09:15 | GodEater_ | they're relatively close |
| 12:09:24 | Bonusbartus | petur: any idea? |
| 12:10:00 | petur | Bonusbartus: I don't use the database and certainly not the gather runtime stuff ;) |
| 12:10:04 | jharu | what the?! is there no freedom here? the line kept blockin my dload sayin its some govt shit or something... |
| 12:10:51 | petur | open source may be too open for your place? |
| 12:11:20 | jharu | whew. now i finally got one... used proxy server. |
| 12:11:22 | * | GodEater_ veers the conversation away from it's dangerous course into politics |
| 12:11:24 | Bonusbartus | petur: ah, I find it strange tha it worked like a charm yesterday and now it doesn't, btw I dont use the db either, I just wanted it to work;) |
| 12:11:42 | GodEater_ | if you don't use the db - why use "gather runtime data" ? |
| 12:12:06 | jharu | home pc direct link office pc via wireless using proxies |
| 12:12:14 | Bonusbartus | Because I wanted to teast it and wanted it to work because it worked before |
| 12:12:30 | * | petur wonders if it is still usefull to reset the settings when switching build |
| 12:12:51 | GodEater_ | petur: between an unsupported and core build, I would |
| 12:12:55 | GodEater_ | not sure if I would otherwise |
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| 12:13:00 | markun | which arguments do I have to pass to genlang to create a new translation for rockbox? |
| 12:13:30 | GodEater_ | markun: when you find out - update the wiki page ;) |
| 12:14:05 | markun | GodEater_: ah, I found it. "Copy the english.lang to [your language].lang and change all strings within the <dest> and <voice> tags." |
| 12:14:11 | markun | the very first sentence :) |
| 12:14:25 | GodEater_ | hehe |
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| 12:14:45 | Bonusbartus | ah ie crashed |
| 12:15:05 | Bonusbartus | petur: I did reset everything, and I formatted me hdd |
| 12:15:25 | petur | Bonusbartus: avoid backspace in the webclient |
| 12:15:26 | Bonusbartus | as I said, for a full day it worked perfectly |
| 12:15:39 | Bonusbartus | tnx for the tip |
| 12:16:44 | Bonusbartus | how stable is the db and the gathering runtime data normally? |
| 12:16:58 | GodEater_ | on the whole, we're the wrong people to ask |
| 12:17:02 | GodEater_ | very few devs use it |
| 12:17:15 | Bonusbartus | did anything change there in the past few weeks/months? |
| 12:17:27 | Bagder | yes |
| 12:17:45 | Bonusbartus | hehe I can see why u dont use it:P |
| 12:18:03 | Bonusbartus | Bagder: anything that could explain my problems? |
| 12:18:05 | Bagder | you can? |
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| 12:18:14 | Bagder | I don't use it because I see no point |
| 12:18:32 | Bagder | Bonusbartus: I have no idea, I don't use it... |
| 12:19:09 | GodEater_ | bascule would probably say "it's fantastic, stable and <continue gushing here>" |
| 12:19:14 | GodEater_ | but he doesn't come onto irc very often |
| 12:19:29 | GodEater_ | but I expect he'd be first to complain if it became unstable |
| 12:19:45 | Bonusbartus | well as I said I dont use it either, just wanted to test it, but I dont like the fact that the db lists things double |
| 12:20:01 | Bonusbartus | if the tags change as little as a space or capital |
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| 12:20:32 | Bagder | I'm sure your improvements will be appreciated... |
| 12:21:19 | Bonusbartus | sure if I could programm c better tha I do;) |
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| 12:21:52 | Bonusbartus | but thanks, problem solved, I just dont use that feature anymore on this player |
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| 12:22:45 | Bonusbartus | second is my batery, I need a new one, I do have warranty left, but chance is they put in another bad one |
| 12:23:03 | Bonusbartus | anyone know where I ca get a good one? |
| 12:24:23 | GodEater_ | is the battery in the H3x0 the same as in the H1x0 ? |
| 12:24:35 | n1s | yes |
| 12:24:41 | Bonusbartus | yeah |
| 12:24:55 | GodEater_ | then buy an Apple 1G/2G replacement |
| 12:24:58 | GodEater_ | which you can get from all over |
| 12:25:03 | GodEater_ | and switch the polarity on it |
| 12:25:07 | GodEater_ | takes about 30 secondes |
| 12:25:16 | GodEater_ | and even *I* managed it, and I don't do hardware mods ;) |
| 12:25:19 | Bonusbartus | any particular brand? |
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| 12:25:33 | GodEater_ | mine was made in china, and didn't come branded |
| 12:25:38 | n1s | the one that doesn't baloon (tm) |
| 12:25:42 | GodEater_ | :) |
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| 12:26:11 | Bonusbartus | hehe ;) tnx n1s |
| 12:26:43 | GodEater_ | Bonusbartus: misticriver host a "switch your own battery" guide somewhere |
| 12:26:48 | GodEater_ | and it's really a doddle to follow |
| 12:26:57 | jharu | how about the sansa battery? ive heard it has some resemblance to a nokia but i dont know which model. |
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| 12:27:58 | Bonusbartus | godeater: tnx Ill check it out |
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| 12:38:02 | yoavk | How do I handle files (Choose,open,close,input,output...)? |
| 12:38:12 | jharu | cygwin runs but i dont know if i installed it rigth... after installing the ones from the other sites i proceeded in using the url found in the wiki. but when i tried the svn co it says svn: command not found... |
| 12:38:44 | GodEater_ | you didn't install the svn package then |
| 12:38:54 | Bagder | mention in 2.1 in the wiki page |
| 12:39:16 | GodEater_ | re-run setup |
| 12:39:21 | GodEater_ | and pick all those packages we mention |
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| 12:40:32 | rasher | jharu: how similar do you mean? It's "flat and have contacts at the top", but other than that, it isn't much like the BL-5B in my nokia phone. |
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| 12:42:44 | jharu | ?! what are you talkin about rasher? and im not seeing any svn on the list on my chosen site here. |
| 12:43:05 | GodEater_ | jharu: it's under devel, and it's not called svn, it's called subversion. |
| 12:43:22 | rasher | jharu: You said you'd heard that the sansa battery was similar to nokia batteries. |
| 12:43:32 | LinusN | jharu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 12:45:10 | jharu | rasher, i dont know really. i just saw it somewhere over at abi forums but it was days ago. |
| 12:46:47 | jharu | and one thing nokia has other batteries used by other models so i really cant say... |
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| 12:55:26 | jharu | after 10 minutes i finally get 1% on my setup... |
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| 13:00:04 | yoavk | How do I configure my plugin to be in the "open with" list? |
| 13:00:48 | GodEater_ | viewers.config |
| 13:01:15 | yoavk | thanks |
| 13:01:26 | rasher | Nico_P: a few wishes: a) static location for albumart (reduces clutter) b) the fade effect in the tracklist in pictureflow isn't very noticeable - especially not with a large font - maybe the amount of "fading" should depend on the number of items on screen or something (or font height) |
| 13:02:32 | Nico_P | rasher: I don't understand a) |
| 13:03:22 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: i.e. don't keep the .bmp file in the same directory as the music |
| 13:03:34 | GodEater_ | put them all in .rockbox/albumart or something |
| 13:03:40 | rasher | Nico_P: looking for album art in a static location such as /.rockbox/covers/ or something |
| 13:03:43 | GodEater_ | I assume </speaking for rasher> |
| 13:03:53 | Nico_P | ah |
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| 13:03:58 | jharu | and add music preview while at it nico_p. :D |
| 13:05:09 | rasher | Nico_P: do you mangle filenames to remove illegal characters when looking for albumtitle.bmp, by the way? |
| 13:07:16 | rasher | I wonder why rocklife ended up under Games. It might be called Game of Life, but it's hardly a game in any real sense. |
| 13:07:55 | pixelma | how would that work with multiple albums of the same name? |
| 13:08:15 | GodEater_ | extend the naming convention to artist name too ? |
| 13:08:15 | rasher | Not at all. |
| 13:08:36 | rasher | That might be sensible, at least when looking in a single location |
| 13:08:58 | Soap | rasher: on "Game of Life" - if you can load/save states it is a game. |
| 13:09:19 | rasher | Soap: You can't (not at this moment, anyway). |
| 13:09:25 | pixelma | GodEater: that might work if you have x "Best Of"s but I know at least three albums with the name "Home" and I wouldn't want to add the artist name there |
| 13:09:30 | Soap | or more correctly, if you can load custom start points. |
| 13:09:53 | Soap | yea, so it is an unfinished game. |
| 13:09:54 | rasher | pixelma: I think he means to look for "<artistname>-<albumname>.bmp" |
| 13:10:09 | Nico_P | rasher: yeah there is a check |
| 13:10:11 | pixelma | ok, I see |
| 13:10:24 | GodEater_ | pixelma: yes sorry |
| 13:10:29 | GodEater_ | I should be more expansive :) |
| 13:10:50 | rasher | Nico_P: so would I replace illegal characters with something? |
| 13:11:23 | Nico_P | rasher: most illigal chars are replaced by underscores |
| 13:11:32 | Nico_P | double quotes are replaced by single quotes |
| 13:12:26 | Nico_P | rasher: and about static location, it sounds good... has there been a discussion I missed? |
| 13:13:03 | rasher | Nico_P: not that I know of |
| 13:13:47 | rasher | Except I'm pretty sure I brought it up at one time, I think pre-aa-commit. Don't remember what came of it |
| 13:17:01 | Nico_P | ok |
| 13:17:30 | rasher | It was simply a suggestion for something I'd personally like, and think seems like a generally good idea. |
| 13:19:23 | Nico_P | I like it too and it's quite a trivial change... I don't really have time for it right now though |
| 13:20:51 | rasher | I'm in no hurry. Including the artist name is probably a good idea. |
| 13:20:56 | petur | GodEater: regarding iriver batteries: ipod replacemen batts are a bad suggestions as you have to switch wires and I've had bad experience with them. CameronSino is a good brand that sells iriver replacement batts on ebay for a good price |
| 13:21:43 | petur | GodEater_ too ;) |
| 13:22:46 | rasher | Where "a good price" is about triple that of generic ipod batteries. |
| 13:22:59 | petur | no way |
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| 13:24:38 | petur | rasher: this one is CameronSino, only 7 euro: http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/2200mAh-HI-BATTERY-FOR-iRiver-H110-H120-H140-H320-H340_W0QQitemZ260193690833QQihZ016QQcategoryZ86541QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem |
| 13:25:15 | rasher | ah, I guess I just got bad results |
| 13:25:34 | petur | they have an ebay store: http://stores.benl.ebay.be/BATTERY-COLLECTION |
| 13:25:51 | petur | wrong link |
| 13:27:25 | petur | nevermind, the store doesn't exist :( |
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| 13:39:17 | LinusN | petur: well, the batteries are certainly cheap, but the shipping isn't |
| 13:39:45 | petur | indeed...if only brando would sell them :/ |
| 13:40:46 | petur | LinusN: btw, I got that cf adapter yesterday, need to find a CF card big enough to put in my h320 :) |
| 13:40:56 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:42:15 | Zagor | LinusN: someone claimed you wanted to keep the "disable charging from usb" option? is that so, and if so, why? |
| 13:42:37 | jharu | hmmm.... alll links say na on bin and s... |
| 13:42:47 | rasher | Would anyone object to replacing "european/japanese/american" with "dd-mm-yyyy/yyyy-mm-dd/mm-dd-yyyy" in the clock plugin? |
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| 13:43:12 | petur | not at all |
| 13:43:12 | rasher | I had no idea what "Japanese" date format was, but it turns out it's the one I wanted |
| 13:43:23 | petur | hehe |
| 13:43:30 | Zagor | rasher: yeah, "european" is definitely not the one used in sweden |
| 13:44:10 | jharu | the devel on the links looks empty.. it says cskip |
| 13:44:59 | thegeek | european is the one used here in norway |
| 13:45:02 | thegeek | and imho the best one;P |
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| 13:46:04 | rasher | The only reasonable one is "Japanese" (otherwise known as ISO-8601) |
| 13:46:39 | LinusN | Zagor: you mean the "hold-a-button-to-invert-the-action"? |
| 13:46:39 | * | petur agrees with rasher |
| 13:47:49 | Zagor | LinusN: no, the "Charge During USB Connection" setting in the battery submenu |
| 13:47:57 | thegeek | you're all insane |
| 13:48:04 | thegeek | year first? |
| 13:48:09 | thegeek | pah! |
| 13:48:10 | LinusN | Zagor: i didn't know there was one |
| 13:48:14 | jharu | its a preference rthing geek |
| 13:48:30 | thegeek | ofcourse;) |
| 13:48:41 | thegeek | as long as we can all agree the american way is stupid;P |
| 13:48:50 | jharu | and its most widely used year first |
| 13:48:59 | rasher | thegeek: a) narrows things down nicely, so you can read as much as you want to b) lexigraphic sort is the same as sorting by date |
| 13:49:02 | n1s | Zagor: afaiu it's needed to be able to connect to ports that don't provide full 500mA current |
| 13:49:17 | Zagor | n1s: ?? |
| 13:49:20 | jharu | american isnt stupid at all... |
| 13:49:37 | thegeek | rasher: I see your point, but I still prefer day first, I usually use dates in the current year |
| 13:49:41 | LinusN | Zagor, n1s: ah, now i remember |
| 13:49:52 | n1s | Zagor: if you try to draw 500 mA from a lower current port, will the host not disable the port? |
| 13:50:10 | LinusN | the problem is that we still don't know how to find out what type of port we are connected to |
| 13:50:19 | * | rasher attempts to divert future data-format talk to #rockbox-community |
| 13:50:39 | LinusN | (on the h300) |
| 13:51:06 | Zagor | LinusN: the h300 usb chip asks for too little current? |
| 13:51:42 | jharu | need help on cygwin... all mirrors skip devel somehow. |
| 13:52:06 | LinusN | afaik, it asks and it gets 100 or 500, but we should only turn on the charger if we have 500mA |
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| 13:52:38 | pixelma | LinusN: I just wanted to know what it is needed for ... so it is actually an H300 thing? If so why is it there in some other targets too? |
| 13:52:40 | petur | I thought it was a setting in the OF |
| 13:52:50 | LinusN | pixelma: i dunno |
| 13:52:59 | LinusN | petur: the OF has that setting too |
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| 13:54:15 | Zagor | LinusN: when does it ask for 500 and when for 100? |
| 13:54:16 | LinusN | afaik, the OF setting controls if it should charge or connect |
| 13:54:33 | LinusN | Zagor: afaik, it asks for 500 |
| 13:54:49 | petur | it always connects, just doesn't charge (I think) so maybe there is no way to tell? |
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| 13:55:21 | LinusN | i guess i have some more reverse engineering to do... |
| 13:55:33 | pixelma | I think I should leave it out of the manual for now (if even the main Roclbox head can't tell me the whole truth...) ;) |
| 13:55:55 | pixelma | *heads (more than one) |
| 13:56:42 | LinusN | the setting controls if the batteries should be charged from USB or not |
| 13:57:09 | LinusN | which is a bad idea if you have an unpowered hub, or an old laptop |
| 13:57:49 | pixelma | and what's Roclbox... :D |
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| 13:57:56 | LinusN | since, i believe, it draws 500mA regardless |
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| 14:02:52 | pixelma | but is it really only working correctly on H300? As stated earlier (if I can trust the sim), it's also there on Gigabeat, FM-Recorder/RecorderV2, H10 too, Ipod Video (maybe on others as well but e.g. not on the Minis) |
| 14:03:26 | LinusN | how interesting |
| 14:07:26 | jharu | got it rto work now... |
| 14:08:07 | amiconn | Drawing 100mA from USB is always allowed afaik |
| 14:08:23 | amiconn | Only if the device wants more it has to ask first |
| 14:10:55 | LinusN | that's correct |
| 14:11:06 | jharu | isnt it standard that usb prvides 5v? |
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| 14:13:07 | jharu | so you mean using fw you can lower the usb output? |
| 14:14:26 | LinusN | jharu: we're talking current, not voltage |
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| 14:20:33 | * | rasher does the 10 fully translated languages (including English) dance |
| 14:20:50 | rasher | And about 10 more with less than 30 missing strings. |
| 14:21:01 | markun | rasher: we might have an arabic translation soon! :) |
| 14:21:27 | rasher | Fancy |
| 14:21:44 | rasher | Does the menu code support rtl? |
| 14:21:52 | markun | saab_rider (who hasn't been here for some time) wrote me an email that he has some time again and want to work on it |
| 14:21:56 | rasher | and text drawing, I suppose |
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| 14:22:22 | markun | textdrawing: yes, but aligning and scrolling is based or LTR |
| 14:22:38 | rasher | Figures. |
| 14:23:03 | rasher | A few of the translations are almost bad enough that I personally think they're worse than useless |
| 14:23:51 | jharu | rasher: do that ill soon see a boom of rockbox users here in the middle east. lol |
| 14:24:12 | jharu | (the arab texts) |
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| 14:40:43 | markun | jharu: are you from the middle east? |
| 14:41:31 | jharu | kugel|school: any new devt on yer build? yer build made my uncle ask how to put rbx when he buys his own sansa e200!!! |
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| 14:42:22 | petur | jharu: please use proper English here |
| 14:42:31 | jharu | markun: yeah im in jeddah saudi arabia. |
| 14:44:49 | jharu | though i originally comwe from the philippines. i work here as a graphic artist/secretary but my field is comsci major in dbase management. |
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| 15:00:55 | LinusN | speaking of languages, perhaps we should consider tossing out some of the least maintained translations? Afrikaans, for example, has 628 missing strings. |
| 15:02:01 | LinusN | for example, ditch all languages with more than 100 missing strings |
| 15:02:37 | LinusN | it's silly to claim that rockbox has so many translations when most of them are in such a sorry state |
| 15:04:53 | amiconn | The question is where to draw the line |
| 15:04:58 | LinusN | yup |
| 15:05:22 | amiconn | Also, such a partial translation makes it easier for someone to pick it up again (as opposed to starting from scratch) |
| 15:05:31 | LinusN | of course |
| 15:05:45 | LinusN | my suggestion is to omit them from the zip files |
| 15:05:59 | petur | gets my vote too |
| 15:06:02 | LinusN | they can stay in svn if someone wants to work on them |
| 15:06:14 | Zagor | sounds good to me |
| 15:06:48 | LinusN | we should also appoint official maintainers for the languages we support |
| 15:07:09 | petur | isn't that in the wiki? |
| 15:07:23 | LinusN | where= |
| 15:07:24 | LinusN | ? |
| 15:07:55 | petur | good question, what was the name of that page... |
| 15:08:20 | LinusN | i like this page btw: rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/ |
| 15:08:24 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KnowledgeMap |
| 15:08:48 | petur | we could add a topic there |
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| 15:27:52 | pixelma | speaking of languages... last week I found that in svenska.lang the "recording settings" as a menu item (LANG_RECORDING_SETTINGS) is also only translated as "inspelning" which makes it very confusing in e.g. the swcodec radio menu if you find 2 items with the same name there. If a swede would like to fix that... :) |
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| 15:29:27 | LinusN | the swedish translation is not very good imho |
| 15:30:07 | LinusN | i often think about fixing it, and then i go "naaah, some other time" |
| 15:30:18 | pixelma | but at least I'd like to know whether I'll enter the recording screen or the recording settings |
| 15:32:14 | LinusN | pixelma: fixed |
| 15:32:42 | n1s | iirc all the swedish strings for the settings submenus are shortened so that sound settings becomes "ljud" which imho makes some sense but obviously not in this case |
| 15:34:06 | pixelma | tack :) |
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| 15:38:19 | pixelma | hmm... except that the ä in inställningar doesn't match the rest of the file (encoding) |
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| 15:41:51 | LinusN | pixelma: ah, silly me |
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| 15:46:22 | LinusN | one thing about the swedish translation is that it translates the button names (e.g PLAY->SPELA) |
| 15:46:29 | LinusN | i don't like that |
| 15:49:07 | pixelma | and some translatiosn handles that differently, at least it's not translated in e.g. the german file |
| 15:49:26 | pixelma | *translations handle |
| 15:49:36 | LinusN | i think it should use the names printed on the player itself, for example "Play" on the X5 |
| 15:49:52 | LinusN | anything else would be silly |
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| 15:51:03 | pixelma | or as described in the manual - and should be consistent across languages |
| 15:52:16 | markun | TTS might have a problem with it |
| 15:52:58 | markun | although espeak supports multiple languages in the same string (using SSML) |
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| 15:54:44 | pixelma | isn't there already such an exception list that "teaches" some TTS how to pronounce some words which are not translatable (for example "dithering") and which is also prepared for differnt TTS engines? |
| 15:56:24 | markun | pixelma: do you know if the other TTS programs support SSML? |
| 15:56:43 | pixelma | not at all |
| 15:57:13 | Llorean | LinusN: The majority of our players just have a symbol on the buttons anyawy. |
| 15:57:26 | LinusN | maybe so |
| 15:57:54 | LinusN | still, i can't remember ever seeing a player in sweden with the name "SPELA" on the play button |
| 15:57:54 | markun | pixelma: it works very well. I used it for an english text with some german poems in it :) |
| 15:58:04 | Llorean | That being said, any case there's a written word, I'd rather the visible string be that literal word, and the spoken string be a translation |
| 15:58:11 | Zagor | I have never heard a swede call it "spela-knappen". |
| 15:58:18 | LinusN | in sweden, we often speak about "play-knappen", and not "spela-knappen" |
| 15:58:29 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:58:42 | Llorean | We already have speech that doesn't match visible exactly, I don't see why we can't do that here too |
| 15:58:57 | petur | same for Dutch, really ("play-knop") |
| 15:59:00 | pixelma | couldn't imagine it translated into german too :) |
| 15:59:01 | Zagor | I don't think the speech should say "spela" either. nobody will understand. |
| 15:59:25 | Llorean | Well, by translation I mean "culturally appropriate phrase" :) |
| 15:59:31 | Zagor | :) |
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| 16:00:18 | Llorean | But if there's a word printed on the player, and we need to describe it in text, we should always use the literal word I think. |
| 16:00:40 | Llorean | If they can't translate it in our text, the visible word on the player won't mean anything to them anyway to match with the translation |
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| 16:02:33 | kugel | jott: I made fs#8335 final |
| 16:04:35 | pixelma | markun: is the SSML an option in espeak? I'm not sure if it is available to me because I only use a prebuilt binary that you can use as a SAPI voice in windows... |
| 16:05:01 | pixelma | but it would be interesting for the .talk clips |
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| 16:10:40 | jott | kugel: ah nice.. just took a look at it.. one thing: i think it would be better to use an enum for the different show_album_name options |
| 16:13:01 | kugel | jott: Are you sure? There're only 3 possible values |
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| 16:15:16 | jott | kugel: it makes the code more readable titletxt_y = ((config.show_album_name == 2 || show_fps) ? track_list_offset : 0); vs. titletxt_y = ((config.show_album_name == album_name_top || show_fps) ? track_list_offset : 0); or so.. |
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| 16:16:19 | markun | pixelma: I don't know anything about the SAPI voice. With the command line tool you use -m for a SSML text. It recognizes the following tags: http://espeak.sourceforge.net/ssml.html |
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| 16:26:37 | pixelma | markun: thanks for the link, it explains a lot... *starts wondering what she was thinking* |
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| 16:32:53 | jsheldon | does rockbox support custom volume levels per song? |
| 16:33:09 | jsheldon | I read somewhere that it did, but I can't find anything relevant in the context menu |
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| 16:33:42 | LinusN | it supports replaygain |
| 16:35:40 | jsheldon | LinusN: ah, interesting, thanks very much |
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| 16:38:17 | yoavk | Where can I find the diffirent file flags? |
| 16:46:37 | petur | firmware/include/file.h ? |
| 16:47:18 | yoavk | Thanks |
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| 17:11:59 | yoavk | Do I need to create a file before opening it for output? (using creat()) |
| 17:13:45 | petur | what will it help to open a non-existing file for reading? |
| 17:14:00 | petur | euh nevermind me |
| 17:14:09 | yoavk | I asked cause in C it will automaticlly create it |
| 17:14:10 | * | petur checks teapot |
| 17:14:34 | petur | use the correct flags? |
| 17:15:31 | petur | O_CREAT ? |
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| 17:20:21 | slavik0329 | hey |
| 17:20:29 | slavik0329 | i dont understand the concept behind patches |
| 17:20:36 | slavik0329 | how do you apply a patch? |
| 17:20:53 | petur | they are changes to the source, you need to compile afterwards |
| 17:21:15 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 17:21:35 | slavik0329 | thank you! |
| 17:21:49 | yoavk | Is there a way to 'decompile' a plugin? |
| 17:22:08 | yoavk | BTW - just out of curiosity... |
| 17:22:10 | Llorean | We provide the source code for all our plugins. |
| 17:22:42 | yoavk | Llorean: yes I know, Im just wondering if its possible |
| 17:22:52 | scorche|w | why would you want to? |
| 17:23:22 | yoavk | scorche|w: I said - just out of curiosity. |
| 17:24:43 | Llorean | You can disassemble them. |
| 17:25:09 | yoavk | Llorean: Yes but that will give you the assembly code... |
| 17:25:16 | yoavk | Whatever :) |
| 17:25:40 | hcs | you can replace each instruction with C code, but that'd be no better |
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| 17:33:03 | yoavk | In rb->open(), can I combine 2 flags using | as a seperator |
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| 17:34:42 | petur | yes |
| 17:34:51 | yoavk | Thanks |
| 17:36:48 | sindred | Is rockbox supported on every generation of the ipod video? I can't find any info about specific generations |
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| 17:37:31 | yoavk | yes |
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| 17:38:02 | GodEater_ | sindred: it depends how you define "ipod video" |
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| 17:38:10 | GodEater_ | a lot of people seem to think the classic is the video |
| 17:38:12 | GodEater_ | which it isn't |
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| 17:38:53 | sindred | well, I am thinking of the ipod which is able to view video |
| 17:39:01 | GodEater_ | that doesn't help me much |
| 17:39:39 | GodEater_ | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688 <−− which one of those is it ? |
| 17:39:46 | sindred | I am just confused, because the WPS gallery for the video seems to be designated to the 5th gen. |
| 17:40:16 | GodEater_ | which is what Apple defined the Video as all the way through it's production |
| 17:40:24 | sindred | I don't have an ipod video, but I am thinking of getting a supported mp3 player with harddisk |
| 17:40:52 | GodEater_ | well get either a 5th Gen, or "5.5G" (Apple calls this a late 2006 model) |
| 17:41:05 | sindred | what about the 6th gen? |
| 17:41:06 | GodEater_ | available in 30GB, 60GB or 80GB sizes |
| 17:41:10 | GodEater_ | that is the classic |
| 17:41:14 | GodEater_ | and is not supported |
| 17:41:17 | sindred | :( |
| 17:41:26 | sindred | I don't like the glossy finish |
| 17:41:34 | GodEater_ | get a cover for it |
| 17:41:55 | sindred | Could, but I don't happen to like covers either:P |
| 17:42:09 | GodEater_ | then do without rockbox =/ |
| 17:42:17 | sindred | hell no! |
| 17:42:24 | sindred | itunes - never again |
| 17:42:42 | sindred | have you got any recommendations for any other hdd players? |
| 17:42:47 | GodEater_ | Gigabeat every time |
| 17:42:54 | GodEater_ | F or X series |
| 17:43:06 | GodEater_ | outshines the ipod video in every way except disc space |
| 17:43:32 | sindred | according to the chart "buyers guide" the X5 seem to have great power capacity, and the ipod video does not |
| 17:43:44 | GodEater_ | "power" capacity ? |
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| 17:44:21 | GodEater_ | you mean battery life ? |
| 17:44:24 | krazykit | GodEater_, lots of battery life |
| 17:44:27 | sindred | yes:) |
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| 17:44:52 | GodEater_ | 20 hours is more than enough for me :) |
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| 17:45:32 | GodEater_ | we need to update that chart to say "SOME" for all players now :( |
| 17:45:33 | sindred | I think that would be a great achievement from the ipod nano first gen, THAT'S terrible battery life |
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| 17:46:25 | GodEater_ | sindred: that's because all the iPods are completely undocumented |
| 17:46:58 | sindred | is the model MEG-F## and MEG-X## listed in the Buyers Guide the same as the Gigabeat? |
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| 17:47:33 | toffe82 | sindred: yes there are the gigabeat F and X |
| 17:47:41 | sindred | I have the nano myself, and I can document that the battery life of the nano isn't exactly great |
| 17:47:48 | sindred | What are the differences? |
| 17:48:19 | sindred | personally I don't like the ipods from anything else than the design, so I really want to try something else |
| 17:48:21 | GodEater_ | sindred: I've never seen an X in the "flesh" but I'm given to understand the screen is slightly larger |
| 17:48:29 | GodEater_ | although it remains the same resolution |
| 17:48:36 | GodEater_ | other than that - there's not much difference at all |
| 17:48:54 | markun | it's also smaller and lighter |
| 17:49:04 | GodEater_ | My Gigabeat F is my weapon of choice out of all my DAPS for day to day listening |
| 17:49:11 | GodEater_ | I'd recommend it over any ipod, any day of the week |
| 17:49:29 | markun | no button lights and a ZIF connector for the HDD |
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| 17:50:27 | sindred | so, the gigabeat beats the ipod video when it comes to: battery life, storage capacity, physical properties, price, usability and performance? |
| 17:50:42 | Llorean | The iPod video wins in Storage Capacity. |
| 17:50:44 | markun | sindred: no, there is no 80GB gigabeat |
| 17:50:57 | Llorean | Physical properties are debatable. |
| 17:51:03 | sindred | I can live with 60gb |
| 17:51:11 | Llorean | I think the Gigabeat feels more solid, and I like that. Other people prefer the thinness of the iPods. |
| 17:51:35 | sindred | I like the smaller the better, but I already have the nano |
| 17:52:41 | sindred | When I am speaking of usability, I am thinking of the layout of the knobs and such things. The ipods has the scrolling wheels which I like, because that makes it easy to scroll the lists |
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| 17:58:09 | GodEater_ | well the only other player we support with a wheel is the sansa, and there's no HD version of that |
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| 18:01:12 | sindred | is it convenient to navigate via the the "pluss cross"? |
| 18:01:28 | GodEater_ | It's very workable - but obviously isn't as nice as a wheel |
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| 18:03:02 | Llorean | I kinda prefer it |
| 18:03:15 | Llorean | I like to be able to scroll by just placing my finger somewhere, rather than constant movement. |
| 18:03:22 | GodEater_ | there is that |
| 18:03:26 | GodEater_ | no carpal tunnel :) |
| 18:03:37 | Llorean | Definitely a matter of preference though |
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| 18:08:01 | sindred | According to the test I read they preffered the cross more than any other solution |
| 18:08:16 | sindred | I think I will like the gigabeat |
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| 18:09:20 | GodEater_ | where are you located sindred ? |
| 18:11:46 | sindred | Norway |
| 18:12:05 | sindred | why wondering? |
| 18:12:56 | GodEater_ | wondering if there's a fellow rockboxer near you with a gigabeat you could play with |
| 18:14:29 | sindred | Nah, I think I am a lonesome wolf here:P |
| 18:15:05 | GodEater_ | rasher.dk/rockbox/people/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/ |
| 18:15:08 | GodEater_ | check on that ;) |
| 18:16:10 | sindred | ah, remember that, quite cool |
| 18:16:19 | GodEater_ | seems to be quite a few people in Norway |
| 18:16:22 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 18:17:31 | sindred | We aren't that many anyways, but fortunately I live in the capitol, where it seems there are a few rockboxers |
| 18:18:01 | GodEater_ | preglow lives there |
| 18:18:03 | GodEater_ | one of the devs |
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| 18:18:09 | GodEater_ | he might even have a gigabeat if you're lucky |
| 18:18:17 | krazykit | hm, someone in antarctica? |
| 18:20:08 | GodEater_ | allegedly |
| 18:20:35 | * | GodEater_ wonders how most daps would fare at a lot of degrees <0 |
| 18:21:50 | sindred | Now I've added myself to the map |
| 18:28:25 | kugel | Hey |
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| 18:28:43 | kugel | same situation, I've just noticed there's another rockboxer in berlin :) |
| 18:31:07 | GodEater_ | only one ? |
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| 18:31:23 | pixelma | guess not... |
| 18:32:35 | kugel | Don't know. I know there're a few rockbox users |
| 18:32:54 | kugel | But people who take part in the developement? Not sure |
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| 18:35:55 | pixelma | I'd recommend to look closer at the map, there's at least one developer on there in Berlin (if you mean Gernany) ;) |
| 18:37:10 | Genre9mp3 | hint hint: rasher.dk/rockbox/people/gmap.php?lat=52.537604&lng=13.587899">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/gmap.php?lat=52.537604&lng=13.587899 |
| 18:39:25 | sindred | the toshiba gigabeat X60 seems hard to find. Anyone knows any places it might be available for purchase? Tried amazon.com.. |
| 18:41:04 | toffe82 | sindred: china :) just joking because we found a site which sell it but it doens't seem reliable |
| 18:41:29 | * | markun just noticed there is another rockbox user living in his street! :) |
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| 18:42:21 | markun | toffe82: it looked like a scam rather than just not reliable :) |
| 18:42:22 | * | scorche|w met one while out the other night |
| 18:42:38 | sindred | Think I better not check it out then |
| 18:42:40 | * | Genre9mp3 met a soldier in Lemnos who had a Rockboxed H120 some months ago |
| 18:42:42 | scorche|w | although, i think we should have a closer look at everyone claiming to be a developer on that map.. |
| 18:43:10 | toffe82 | markun: ;) |
| 18:44:00 | markun | scorche|w: I think some of them are developers but just not for rockbox :) |
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| 18:45:10 | scorche|w | markun: maybe i will poke rasher one of these days :) |
| 18:46:50 | kugel | if anyone like my patch with scroll_button renaming, I've updated it |
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| 18:50:56 | kugel | wow |
| 18:51:07 | kugel | amiconn is just a few meters away from me |
| 18:51:29 | sindred | knock knock:P |
| 18:51:45 | kugel | this is so sool |
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| 18:53:14 | kugel | cool* btw |
| 18:53:55 | * | scorche|w mourns amiconn's sanity... |
| 18:54:28 | yoavk | can i use rb->rename() to move a file? |
| 18:55:48 | sindred | I can't find ANY retailers for the gigabeat X60 at all :'( |
| 18:57:09 | kugel | how long does it take until I'm on the map? |
| 18:57:12 | toffe82 | sindred: it was sold never sold in the us nor europ I think |
| 18:57:49 | sindred | that explains why the australian cnet comes that far up on the list... |
| 18:58:15 | sindred | however, I found a norwegian article about the player, so I won't give up my hope |
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| 19:13:59 | toffe82 | sindred: or wait for the port on the gigabeat S :) |
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| 19:18:07 | yoavk | what does ftruncate() do? |
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| 19:22:50 | yoavk | How can I move a file in a plugin? |
| 19:25:43 | kugel | rename it |
| 19:26:15 | yoavk | kugal: I tried, it dosent work |
| 19:26:27 | kugel | Don't know then |
| 19:26:34 | ZincAlloy | does anybody here have experience with greyscale wps's? I'm porting cabbie 2.0 to the ipod mini and the greyscales of the backdrop don't display correctly, even though I've used the ones that apparently should work |
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| 19:28:46 | kugel | n1s: Are you there? |
| 19:29:00 | sindred | toffe82: I would wait if I knew when:) It's hard to have to wait for something you don't know when's arriving. |
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| 19:33:38 | markun | sindred: if you help out with the port you have some control over the waiting period :) |
| 19:34:27 | xxhotman1 | hi every1...on question. is it possibe to buy a zif HD and transfer over the system files in order to get my gigabeat working again? |
| 19:34:58 | xxhotman1 | (damaged HD from dropping) |
| 19:35:05 | xxhotman1 | so i cant read files |
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| 19:35:40 | yoavk | How do I move a file? |
| 19:35:44 | xxhotman1 | i figured you guys would know best since you port |
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| 19:39:10 | Llorean | ZincAlloy: Be aware, "Grayscale" means "Black, White, Lite Gray, Dark Gray", it's not a full range of grayscale |
| 19:40:27 | ZincAlloy | right, I'm using black, white, 85/85/85 and 170/170/170 |
| 19:40:44 | Llorean | So, what's the "don't display correctly" issue? |
| 19:41:23 | ZincAlloy | I posted a screenshot on the forum to illustrate the issue |
| 19:41:34 | yoavk | Guys - any ideas about how to move a file? |
| 19:41:48 | xxhotman1 | does anyone have system files (vanilla) for gigabeat S30? |
| 19:42:23 | ZincAlloy | yoavk: cut and paste? |
| 19:42:32 | xxhotman1 | u could do that |
| 19:42:40 | xxhotman1 | just like an external HD |
| 19:42:44 | Llorean | ZincAlloy: Where did you get 85 and 170 from? |
| 19:42:54 | yoavk | yes, but how do i do that throu a plugin? |
| 19:42:54 | toffe82 | xxhotman1: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInfo#Firmware_Recovery |
| 19:43:05 | xxhotman1 | thanks |
| 19:43:07 | ZincAlloy | it was mentioned earlier in that thread |
| 19:43:23 | Llorean | So you haven't tried other values? |
| 19:43:51 | xxhotman1 | oh ya i saw that one already |
| 19:43:53 | Llorean | While 85 and 170 are appropriately 1/3 and 2/3 of 255, I'm not sure that specifically means they're the numbers that equate to "pure" colors on grayscale |
| 19:43:54 | ZincAlloy | and they're used on the h100 port |
| 19:44:01 | xxhotman1 | it would connect for a second then drop |
| 19:44:20 | pixelma | Llorean: those should work correctly |
| 19:44:27 | Llorean | ZincAlloy: Have you tried using them as normal bitmaps, and not a backdrop? |
| 19:44:37 | Llorean | pixelma: I didn't even know grayscale targets dithered |
| 19:44:41 | ZincAlloy | yes, the normal bitmaps are alright |
| 19:45:25 | Llorean | ZincAlloy: Why not just cut it up and use it as normal bitmaps then, as opposed to a full bitmap backdrop, since that's unnecessary anyway? |
| 19:45:46 | ZincAlloy | true... I'm gonna give it a try |
| 19:45:56 | pixelma | where is the forum post? |
| 19:46:05 | Llorean | pixelma: Last one in the default theme contest thread |
| 19:46:34 | ZincAlloy | but it's still weired. the h100 version is using the same shades on a backdrop without any problems |
| 19:48:17 | pixelma | Llorean: if it's not a backdrop it might be problematic with the progressbar background - that "could" be drawn above the progressbar if you're unlucky |
| 19:48:48 | Llorean | pixelma: Ah, true. |
| 19:49:09 | ZincAlloy | oh, yeah, I forgot.... |
| 19:49:12 | ZincAlloy | good you remember |
| 19:49:19 | ZincAlloy | I tried to do that before |
| 19:50:00 | yoavk | So any idea's of how to move a file yet? (Sorry i'm nudging - I kinda need it) |
| 19:50:25 | Llorean | yoavk: You're asking for c programming help. Honestly, go read a book on C. |
| 19:51:03 | xxhotman1 | <toffe82>: you think that will work with new HD(formatted) as my current one is broken |
| 19:51:05 | Llorean | Saying "how do I move a file" without a reference is going to make people think you're talking about within Rockbox since this is #Rockbox. |
| 19:51:14 | yoavk | Llorean: No I'm not - file handling is different in C |
| 19:51:32 | Llorean | yoavk: Um, are you claiming that Rockbox is not written in C? |
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| 19:52:00 | Presence | ah, damn, and here I thought rockbox was coded in qbasic. |
| 19:52:11 | Domonoky | yoavk: rb->rename should work.. |
| 19:52:13 | yoavk | Llorean: No, but I am claiming that the way you handle files is different. |
| 19:52:32 | Llorean | yoavk: If you know C, look through the available libraries and functions in Rockbox, and come up with a way. Domonoky's rename solution sounds good. |
| 19:52:52 | scorche|w | yoavk: i just typed a few words into google, and i found out how... |
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| 19:55:47 | yoavk | Domonkey: Tried that... dosen't work |
| 19:56:30 | toffe82 | xxhotman1: it should work as it is the way to install a new disk |
| 19:57:17 | xxhotman1 | cool that is great news |
| 19:57:46 | xxhotman1 | so I can just pick up another ziff from a store as long as it fits and get it up and running? |
| 19:58:01 | toffe82 | xxhotman1: yes |
| 19:58:07 | xxhotman1 | thankyou so much! |
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| 19:58:21 | xxhotman1 | you made my day |
| 19:59:31 | scorche|w | yoavk: are you trying to move a file across other volumes?...because i am seeing that that should work too |
| 19:59:35 | toffe82 | xxhotman1: this is explain in the service manual of the S but Toshiba never release the tools for it, so we find a way to use the updater of the V series |
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| 20:00:23 | yoavk | scorche|w: I am trying to move a file from /temp dir. to /notes dir. |
| 20:00:39 | xxhotman1 | ya I really dislike toshiba after buying this product |
| 20:00:48 | xxhotman1 | customer support mind you |
| 20:01:25 | scorche|w | yoavk: how are you calling it? |
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| 20:02:32 | yoavk | scorche|w: I am tring the following: rb->rename("/.rockbox/encdectemp","../notes/s.txt"); |
| 20:04:01 | Lear | yoavk: Absolute paths only, please. :) |
| 20:04:26 | kugel | Yea, try "./rockbox/notes.txt" |
| 20:04:38 | kugel | Yea, try "./rockbox/notes/s.txt"* |
| 20:04:46 | scorche|w | kugel: not quite... |
| 20:04:57 | Lear | If you test in the simulator, you should even get a warning about it... |
| 20:05:18 | kugel | scorche|w: What do you mean? |
| 20:05:47 | scorche|w | kugel: the way you are tying it is incorrect as well.. |
| 20:05:52 | scorche|w | typing it |
| 20:06:17 | kugel | "/.rockbox/notes/s.txt" ? |
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| 20:06:32 | Llorean | kugel: That's not what you typed, either time before. |
| 20:06:44 | * | scorche|w heads out to lunch |
| 20:06:45 | kugel | Yea, I've made a typo |
| 20:07:25 | kugel | I asked if the last one is correct |
| 20:07:26 | yoavk | Lear: Meaning? what to write? |
| 20:08:03 | Lear | yoavk: Absolute path = beginning with "/"... |
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| 20:08:32 | scorche|w | yoavk: "../" is a relative path... "/foo/bar/ess.txt","/foo/blah/ess/txt" is absolute |
| 20:08:54 | * | scorche|w heads off for lunch for real this time.. |
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| 20:10:04 | yoavk | scorche|w: Thanks, trying it... |
| 20:11:41 | pixelma | ZincAlloy: just did a quick test here myself (made a bmp which has the 3 "colours" except black, with the correct values it shows up as expected |
| 20:11:51 | pixelma | in a Mini sim |
| 20:11:56 | yoavk | Thanks guys!!! it works! :) |
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| 20:12:45 | xxhotman1 | thanks again toffe82 bye for now |
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| 20:14:23 | ZincAlloy | pixelma: that's weired.. I'm using the sim as well |
| 20:14:52 | ZincAlloy | are you using the first or second generation mini sim? |
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| 20:16:49 | pixelma | 2nd gen. What bit depth are your bmps? |
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| 20:17:53 | ZincAlloy | 4 bit |
| 20:18:30 | ZincAlloy | there's no two bit option in photoshop for some reason.. |
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| 20:19:08 | ze | 2 bit? |
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| 20:19:23 | ze | guess 4-shade isn't that common |
| 20:19:42 | ZincAlloy | probably |
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| 20:20:10 | pixelma | ZincAlloy: maybe that's something Photoshop is doing for you, I just used "greyscale" which is 8-bit |
| 20:20:15 | ZincAlloy | weired that it's not an issue with the other images |
| 20:20:22 | ZincAlloy | only the backdrop is affected |
| 20:20:26 | ZincAlloy | same here |
| 20:20:45 | ZincAlloy | set it to greyscale |
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| 20:21:35 | ZincAlloy | saving as 8 bit now |
| 20:22:52 | ZincAlloy | no difference |
| 20:22:57 | kugel | pondlife: We could discuss here about the renaming of scroll buttons |
| 20:23:07 | pixelma | ok, getting the dithering with Photoshop's greyscale too now. I'm usually working with Photopaint... |
| 20:23:34 | pondlife | kugel: OK |
| 20:23:47 | pondlife | Better than Flyspray, but I need to go shortly |
| 20:23:48 | saratoga | pixelma: did you send me a wma file to look at during the last couple months? |
| 20:23:49 | Llorean | Well in both 8-bit and 4-bit modes, you have a different number of shades of gray, meaning 85 and 170 might not have an exact parallel, so photoshop tries dithering it for you? |
| 20:23:51 | Lear | ZincAlloy: Backgrounds are dithered, other bitmaps are not. You need to get the colors exactly right to avoid the dither. |
| 20:24:07 | ZincAlloy | ah, I see |
| 20:24:20 | Llorean | Or rather ,photoshop tries picking the "nearest" match instead of exact colors any more |
| 20:24:20 | pondlife | kugel: I just don't see how FWD/BACK is confusing, regarding a dial. |
| 20:24:46 | Llorean | pondlife: If "fwd" up or down in a list? |
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| 20:24:51 | pondlife | Neither |
| 20:24:55 | pondlife | It's forward |
| 20:24:57 | Llorean | But the wheel navigates lists. |
| 20:25:01 | ZincAlloy | indeed |
| 20:25:02 | pixelma | yes, if I export the file back into Photopaint, the colour picker tells me it's a bit off... |
| 20:25:10 | kugel | If you look at the bottom of the wheel, FWD is different than if you look at the top |
| 20:25:10 | Llorean | Clockwise and Counterclockwise give more explicit names as to what the wheel is doing. |
| 20:25:17 | pondlife | Depends on the screen orientation, compared to the wheel |
| 20:25:29 | Llorean | pondlife: But clock and counter are absolute independent of orientation. |
| 20:25:31 | pondlife | To me, FWD is always clockwise |
| 20:25:38 | Llorean | Then why not call it clockwise? |
| 20:25:56 | kugel | For me, FWD doesn't mean anything but moving from left to right on any position |
| 20:25:56 | pondlife | I don't mind, I just particularly dislike counter |
| 20:26:01 | Llorean | Why? |
| 20:26:05 | krazykit | anti, then? |
| 20:26:07 | pondlife | kugel: That would be RIGHT |
| 20:26:11 | kugel | No |
| 20:26:26 | kugel | on *any* position |
| 20:26:32 | kugel | meaning top as well as bottom |
| 20:26:46 | pondlife | Sorry, I don't understand. |
| 20:26:53 | pixelma | saratoga: yes, some time ago |
| 20:27:02 | pondlife | You mean moving a finger from the top of the wheel round clockwise to the bottom? |
| 20:27:04 | ZincAlloy | so, should I save it as 24 bit rgb and let rockbox do the rest? |
| 20:27:15 | Llorean | pondlife: I just think that having "FWD/BACK" makes setting list controls in plugins unclear, since you don't know whether "FWD" should be going up or down in a list. Or incrementing or decrementing values. |
| 20:27:20 | Lear | ZincAlloy: But 85 and 170 should be right... I think... |
| 20:27:33 | Llorean | pondlife: If you're not fond of "Counter", we should come up with a better name. |
| 20:27:55 | pixelma | Lear: yes, but Photoshop seems a bit stupid... |
| 20:27:58 | saratoga | pixelma: what was teh file name? |
| 20:28:02 | Llorean | Lear: But if 85 doesn't align with an exact color in 4-bit or 8-bit export, it might pick a "best fit" color that doesn't align with the "pure" color for Rockbox |
| 20:28:05 | saratoga | i'm not certain that i looked at it yet |
| 20:28:39 | Lear | Llorean: One could hope it is using a palette optimized for the image in question... |
| 20:28:41 | ZincAlloy | Lear: yes, that makes sense. now i need to find a way to save it correctly |
| 20:29:04 | pondlife | Which target has a while that when turned clockwise would scroll upwards? Sansa? |
| 20:29:13 | Llorean | Lear: Hope is a good thing to have. :) |
| 20:29:25 | pondlife | Sounds like a use for invert screen to me.... |
| 20:29:40 | Llorean | pondlife: Clockwise increases volume, but moves downward in a list, and move "Right" in other locations. |
| 20:30:22 | pondlife | All of which could be covered by Clockwise or Forward |
| 20:30:30 | Llorean | I think Clockwise is more explicit by far though |
| 20:30:33 | pondlife | Yep |
| 20:30:35 | kugel | Agreed |
| 20:31:08 | Llorean | Since one could (not me) argue that "Forward" can be interpreted as "increase" which is "up", etc. |
| 20:31:10 | pondlife | Do people elsewhere not use "anti-clockwise"? Is that a UK thing? |
| 20:31:14 | kugel | I can understand that COUNTER isn't desciptive alone |
| 20:31:24 | Llorean | pondlife: I've heard anti-clockwise everywhere but here in the US, I think |
| 20:31:32 | kugel | I personnally never heard anti-clockwise before |
| 20:31:47 | pondlife | kugel: Where are you based? |
| 20:32:04 | digitallo | I've never heard it either, I'm in the US. |
| 20:32:04 | pondlife | (just out of interest, language interests me.) |
| 20:32:09 | kugel | Germany, my teachers told me counter-clockwise |
| 20:32:28 | kugel | So what about: CLOCK and ANTICLOCK |
| 20:32:49 | kugel | or COUNTERCLOCK ? |
| 20:32:57 | pondlife | Widdershins is probably universal.... |
| 20:33:08 | kugel | However counterclock is a bit too long in my taste |
| 20:33:25 | pondlife | I just think of a timer, or something... a counter and a clock |
| 20:34:12 | Llorean | We could use "INC" and "DEC" to represent the increasing or decreasing of the value of "wheel position" |
| 20:34:31 | ZincAlloy | my dictionary widget tells me anticlockwise is british, indeed |
| 20:35:06 | kugel | Llorean: I think INC and DEC isn't good |
| 20:35:23 | pondlife | Agreed, that would confuse in the volume case... |
| 20:35:27 | kugel | INC doesn't tell you if you move up or down in a list |
| 20:35:28 | digitallo | INC and DEC could also mean increment and decrement..... |
| 20:35:40 | Llorean | digitallo: Same thing as "Increase and Decrease" |
| 20:35:46 | pondlife | It does to 6502 programmers... |
| 20:36:32 | Llorean | My point is that there are "very short" yet still descriptive options. But I think CLOCKWISE and COUNTERCLOCK aren't too hard to type from time to time |
| 20:36:32 | kugel | So what do you think about CLOCK and ANTICLOCK? |
| 20:36:40 | Llorean | or even ANTICLOCK |
| 20:36:59 | pixelma | or just ANTI? |
| 20:37:09 | Llorean | I'll even go for that. :) |
| 20:37:37 | pondlife | I'm happy with COUNTERCLOCKWISE, but not with COUNTERCLOCK ;) |
| 20:38:00 | ZincAlloy | pixelma: going to rgb 24 bit made it much better. but now I'm having black dots on the top edge of the greyed out progress bar o_O |
| 20:38:06 | Llorean | CLOCK and NOT ? :-P |
| 20:38:27 | pixelma | that's the question? ;) |
| 20:38:58 | * | pondlife learns from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widdershins that it's not just a Discworld thing... |
| 20:39:21 | pixelma | ZincAlloy: use another graphics porgram :P |
| 20:39:51 | Redbreva | ZincAlloy : What about 'Indexed Color' mode with Black, White 85 & 170 as the only four colours - when saved as a 4 bit bitmap evrything is converted to the nearest of those four shades |
| 20:40:58 | kugel | I'd go with CLOCK and ANTICLOCK, if anticlockwise is more common than counter-clockwise |
| 20:42:00 | pondlife | Whatever, it's just the word COUNTER used in programs I was wary of. |
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| 20:42:33 | kugel | good point |
| 20:42:51 | pondlife | Compounded when it's an unfamiliar phrase |
| 20:43:45 | kugel | So search&replace BUTTON_SCROLL_COUNTER with BUTTON_SCROLL_ANTICLOCK in my patch, and it's ready for commit |
| 20:44:27 | pondlife | Good for me, besides Rockbox tends to use UK English, right? |
| 20:44:32 | pondlife | colour etc.. |
| 20:44:37 | * | linuxstb still thinks "forward" and "back" are perfectly good descriptions, with the advantage of obvious abbreviations. |
| 20:45:00 | * | pondlife agrees, but it's not a biggie |
| 20:45:05 | kugel | I think forward isn't much descriptive |
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| 20:45:25 | linuxstb | kugel: So you're saying you don't know which direction "forward" would refer to? |
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| 20:45:44 | kugel | Yea |
| 20:46:06 | kugel | If I look at the bottom of the wheel, forward is anticlockwise |
| 20:46:23 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think they're good, but not the best possible. "FWD" and "BACK" aren't immediately obvious whether they mean "Up" or "Down" in lists, because you don't know if "SCROLL_FWD" means "The direction you scroll the wheel to move down in the list" or "The direction you scroll the wheel to move up in a list" (since some people may think of up as forward) |
| 20:46:37 | Llorean | I admit it's a weak argument for confusion, but I'd rather not have any at all if possible |
| 20:46:47 | Slasheri | now testing quite complex tagcache statistical data resurrection when moving files or altering metadata :) song ratings etc. should stay now intact |
| 20:46:59 | kugel | I think people have different fixed points |
| 20:47:16 | linuxstb | I just think that they've not caused any problems up to now (afaik), and "clockwise" and "anti/counter-clockwise" is just too long to type... |
| 20:47:17 | Llorean | Slasheri: As long as the artis, album, and title match, the information gets moved? |
| 20:47:57 | Slasheri | Llorean: almost, in fact bitrate and length are always required to match, then either filename hash must fully match or two of these hashes: artist, album or title |
| 20:48:30 | Llorean | Slasheri: Honestly, I'd rather if bitrate *weren't* checked. |
| 20:48:43 | Slasheri | Llorean: hmm, why? |
| 20:48:51 | Llorean | For example, if I replace a low quality MP3 of something with a fixed MP3 or vorbis encode, I'd rather preserve playcount, etc. |
| 20:49:02 | Llorean | For example, a radio recording with an actual CD rip of it |
| 20:49:22 | Slasheri | ah, that might be true. But the song length (stored in milli-seconds) must remaing intact too |
| 20:49:36 | Llorean | Ah, which wouldn't work from radio |
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| 20:49:49 | Llorean | But would work if they were both CD rips from the same disk, of varying quality, right? |
| 20:50:19 | Slasheri | should work, unless codec makes some gaps to the audio |
| 20:50:26 | Slasheri | hmm, maybe i will drop the bitrate match then |
| 20:51:07 | saratoga | anyone else got WMA problem samples? |
| 20:51:32 | amiconn | kugel, linuxstb: Call it 'positive' and 'negative' (mathematical rotation) ... ;) |
| 20:51:43 | ZincAlloy | aaaah, got it right now. thanks for your help, guys! |
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| 20:53:32 | joshman729 | hi |
| 20:53:43 | Llorean | Do we have a list of known codec issues somewhere? |
| 20:53:55 | Llorean | Like, AAC not playing back files over a given size, etc? |
| 20:54:01 | joshman729 | just thought i'd come on here since i'm interested in gettin rockbox |
| 20:55:02 | amiconn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clockwise |
| 20:55:54 | joshman729 | ????????? |
| 20:56:03 | Llorean | Clearly, BUTTON_SCROLL_POS and _NEG are the answer. :-P |
| 20:56:09 | saratoga | i don't think theres a list of codec issues anywhere |
| 20:56:53 | saratoga | ideally people would be opening issues on tracker for them, but often its not clear if its a codec issue, a parser issue, an unsupported codec flavor (AAC-HE, WMA-Pro) so a lot of people are unsure about doiong that |
| 20:57:08 | Llorean | saratoga: Kinda what I was thinking |
| 20:57:21 | Llorean | A list of codecs, and when they can be expected not to perform like they do on your PC> |
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| 20:57:43 | Llorean | Something that could even be edited into the manual once collected |
| 20:57:47 | advcomp2019 | joshman729, what is your question |
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| 20:58:16 | russell | Hi to the list. |
| 20:58:41 | pondlife | saratoga: There's a WMA file on FlySpray somewhere that segfaults the sim.... I'll hunt |
| 20:58:46 | russell | Hi to the list. |
| 20:59:10 | saratoga | yeah i got that one |
| 20:59:28 | advcomp2019 | russell, you do not need to repeat yourself |
| 20:59:29 | pondlife | #7488, BeyondThePain... |
| 20:59:41 | saratoga | i spent a lot of time looking into it earlier and became frustrated so i'm not looking forward to doing it again |
| 20:59:46 | pondlife | lol |
| 20:59:50 | russell | Sorry, bit of a mixup on this end. When compiling rockbox, how do I get arm-elf-gcc in my PATH? |
| 20:59:51 | pondlife | Well, you did ask.... |
| 20:59:57 | saratoga | since it decodes correctly in my test driver program but not rockbox |
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| 21:00:08 | saratoga | which likely means theres a pointer issue somewhere and it'll be a nightmare to track down |
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| 21:01:28 | russell | Haven't used irc too much, so help me out. =] |
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| 21:01:49 | kugel | amiconn: Did you know I'm just a few meters away from you? |
| 21:02:30 | Savior | so I finally got my e200 to work |
| 21:02:39 | Savior | but it quit working after it died |
| 21:02:49 | Savior | and now it's back to the LCD screen not turning on |
| 21:03:15 | * | joshman729 was just wondering if rockbox was good and wanted to ask the users? |
| 21:03:44 | Savior | I think it's awesome |
| 21:03:50 | Savior | when it works |
| 21:04:02 | joshman729 | when it works? |
| 21:04:08 | advcomp2019 | joshman729, depends on what you do on what player |
| 21:04:09 | Savior | for some reason my Sansa hates me and won't let me do anything |
| 21:04:13 | kugel | joshman729: |
| 21:04:14 | kugel | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 21:04:31 | joshman729 | thanks kugel |
| 21:05:34 | kugel | So, any decision about my renaming patch? |
| 21:05:38 | joshman729 | Well I mainly just listen to music.....can you copy music back from the player to the computer? |
| 21:06:43 | krazykit | joshman729, what player do you have? |
| 21:06:51 | joshman729 | Ipod classic 80gb |
| 21:07:02 | krazykit | then you can't use rockbox, as rockbox is not supported on the Classic |
| 21:07:15 | joshman729 | i wanted an mp3 player but nothing compared in price and size to the ipod |
| 21:07:15 | joshman729 | i thought i could use the video software? |
| 21:07:37 | joshman729 | for the 80gb video? |
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| 21:07:49 | krazykit | you don't have an ipod video, you have an ipod classic |
| 21:08:04 | joshman729 | I know |
| 21:08:20 | joshman729 | but there is no such thing as an ipod video 80gb .......so i just assumed |
| 21:08:29 | krazykit | there is, actually. |
| 21:08:51 | amiconn | kugel: oh? |
| 21:08:58 | joshman729 | really |
| 21:09:02 | amiconn | Seems you're not on rasher's map... |
| 21:09:04 | joshman729 | oh well im odviously just a noob |
| 21:09:17 | kugel | amiconn: still not? I put me in a few hours ago |
| 21:09:36 | kugel | amiconn: I'm in the kienbergstraße |
| 21:10:07 | * | joshman729 think the ppl on here are helpful........thanks and goodbye |
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| 21:11:36 | pixelma | kugel: afaik rasher updates the map manually |
| 21:12:25 | amiconn | Umm, that's really not far away... about 1.5km |
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| 21:14:02 | kugel | yea ;) |
| 21:15:14 | kugel | amiconn: are you going to school or are you done with that? |
| 21:15:28 | amiconn | I'm waaay done with that |
| 21:15:33 | kugel | heh |
| 21:15:34 | * | amiconn is 36 |
| 21:15:45 | * | kugel is 18 |
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| 21:19:22 | saratoga2 | hmm can i make myself a developer on that map? |
| 21:21:01 | amiconn | I think you can, if you still have that edit code |
| 21:21:18 | freqmod_nx | Could I get writing premission for FrederikVestre in the wiki in order to add radio frequences for Trondheim, Norway? |
| 21:21:26 | amiconn | Iiuc rasher approves changes manually, so they won't show up immediately |
| 21:22:34 | * | Llorean thinks that if the "Presets" browser worked with subfolders (assuming it still doesn't, haven't checked) we could and should go ahead and include presets in SVN |
| 21:24:02 | freqmod_nx | Does anybody know why my activation code is invalid? |
| 21:24:16 | freqmod_nx | or what i do? |
| 21:24:32 | Llorean | Activation code is invalid? |
| 21:24:49 | freqmod_nx | in the wiki: The activation code FrederikVestre.********** is invalid. . |
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| 21:25:57 | Llorean | Looks like you've been activated for editing now. I don't know about the invalid activation code though |
| 21:25:58 | linuxstb | freqmod_nx: I've just granted you write permission. |
| 21:26:13 | linuxstb | Is your account already active? |
| 21:26:23 | freqmod_nx | ok thx, mayby that's the reason |
| 21:26:58 | freqmod_nx | no, i tried to activate it now, i intented to wait before i pressed enter until the mail had gone trough greylisting. |
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| 21:28:06 | freqmod_nx | it seems like i can edit, maybe you activated me when you gave me write premission |
| 21:28:45 | linuxstb | No, I think your account was already active. |
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| 21:35:01 | freqmod_nx | How do i remove the attchment table at the end of FmPresetsEurope? |
| 21:38:29 | linuxstb | `Click on "manage", then tick the "hide file" box, then click on the "Save properties only" button at the bottom of the page. |
| 21:38:34 | freqmod_nx | found it |
| 21:38:36 | freqmod_nx | fixed |
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| 21:43:41 | Sammienator | hi, can you edit a bug report? |
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| 21:48:33 | linuxstb | Do you see an "edit this task" button? |
| 21:49:43 | Sammienator | maybe i'm blind, but I don't see it.. |
| 21:49:54 | Llorean | I think normal users cannot edit even their own task |
| 21:50:15 | Sammienator | nope I can't.. |
| 21:50:16 | linuxstb | Sammienator: That's why I asked - I wasn't implying it was there... |
| 21:50:43 | linuxstb | Is your bug report the PictureFlow TrackListing Bug? |
| 21:50:50 | Sammienator | but I found an other solution for my problem.. |
| 21:50:58 | Sammienator | jep |
| 21:51:00 | Sammienator | it is |
| 21:51:05 | linuxstb | Then just add another comment to the end. |
| 21:51:11 | Sammienator | i did:D |
| 21:51:53 | linuxstb | I can just see the main bug description, then a comment with screenshots. |
| 21:52:59 | Sammienator | I forgot to ad the screenshots... |
| 21:53:32 | Sammienator | so i did it with a comment with screenshots |
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| 21:54:51 | webguest79 | hi! :) do you guy's know hot to attach pictures to my music or songs so that i can view them with the rockbox picture flow? |
| 21:55:24 | linuxstb | Have you read this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPictureFlow |
| 21:57:11 | webguest79 | yes. but it didn't really help me. :( |
| 21:57:59 | webguest79 | can you please help me. :0 |
| 21:58:04 | webguest79 | :) |
| 21:59:24 | Llorean | Have you also read the AlbumArt page linked to from it? |
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| 22:00:12 | webguest79 | ummm............i'm on it. |
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| 22:08:23 | sindred | In the directories where you have your music files you have to have a bitmap file in the right size named cover.bmp |
| 22:08:44 | sindred | depending on what device you are using, the size of the files will have to be adjusted |
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| 22:09:53 | sindred | saw that now:P |
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| 22:22:38 | kugel | What's about the rename patch now? Will it be committed (with CLOCK and ANTICLOCK or something) or not? |
| 22:23:03 | Llorean | kugel: Seriously, have patience. |
| 22:23:10 | Llorean | If it's on the tracker, then it's on the tracker. |
| 22:23:48 | kugel | Ok, so it needs further discussion? No problem |
| 22:24:01 | Llorean | That's not at all what I said. |
| 22:24:43 | kugel | I just don't feel the discussion today ended |
| 22:26:03 | Llorean | There's hundreds of patches and tasks in the tracker, it takes time to go from "patch" to "commit" even if there's nothing wrong with it, because someone with commit access still needs to decide they're gonna take responsibility for watching it afterward for any negative side effects, etc. |
| 22:26:42 | jott | the patch touches alot of files, so it might get "problematic" in a short period of time .. i guess hence the "hurry" :) |
| 22:26:57 | Llorean | So even if a patch is relatively simple, it may not get accepted because no matter how sure you are, it may have side effects, so someone must be read to deal with them before committing. Whenever someone's getting ready to, they'll comment on the names if they decide you need to change them. |
| 22:27:28 | Llorean | But pestering people to commit it is just going to develop ill will. You really shouldn't ask constantly about it |
| 22:27:53 | kugel | constantly? |
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| 22:28:19 | Llorean | Well, you seem to have brought it up many times in the last couple days. |
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| 22:30:07 | Llorean | Once a patch is in the tracker, we'll get to it when we have time, generally. Bringing it up daily, or more, doesn't make people have more time to do something about it |
| 22:31:01 | kugel | Ok, sorry for my impatience then |
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| 22:32:00 | Llorean | Really, your best bet is a singled post to the -dev mailing list, asking if there's anything about it that would keep it from being committed. |
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| 22:33:44 | kugel | Ah ok |
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| 22:51:13 | Slasheri | DB major improvement committed, no more losing of statistics that easy :) |
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| 22:57:37 | pixelma | major bin size increase too? |
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| 22:59:14 | safetydan | wow, 1k increase |
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| 22:59:22 | Slasheri | that is possible, but that was one of the last missing important DB features |
| 22:59:49 | safetydan | Slasheri: what about support for sort tags? |
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| 23:00:27 | Slasheri | safetydan: hmm, i have no idea about that, i wont object at least |
| 23:00:33 | * | scorche|w reminds himself to do some testing of his tagcache ifdef when he gets home |
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| 23:02:30 | Slasheri | other possible improvements could be better handling of huge databases |
| 23:02:58 | Slasheri | but that would mean more complex indexing / hashlookup routines |
| 23:02:59 | Llorean | Might be nice. |
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| 23:04:31 | pixelma | btw. safetydan, reading the logs and you were talking to a Ipod 3rd gen owner - currently some 1st-3rd gen Ipod builds are unstable for unknown reasons (jhMikeS already tried to investigate and amiconn knows about it too) |
| 23:04:54 | Llorean | amiconn not only knows, but seems particularly frustrated at how unpredictable it is. |
| 23:05:14 | pixelma | of course |
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| 23:07:41 | DefineByte | Can anyone commit FS #8340 for me please? :) |
| 23:08:38 | Sivart0 | i have terrible news D= |
| 23:08:41 | Llorean | DefineByte: There are errors in it |
| 23:08:51 | Sivart0 | i think my ipod is dead xD |
| 23:09:02 | DefineByte | really? hmm. Can't imagine what |
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| 23:09:44 | Llorean | DefineByte: Well, it's an actual manual error. Someone used "it's" rather than "its" and so your patch illustrates it. |
| 23:10:07 | Llorean | Is there some reason we're changing all contractions? |
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| 23:10:34 | DefineByte | They don't belong in technical documentation |
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| 23:11:07 | DefineByte | Of coure, if people want them I can go along with that. :) |
| 23:11:19 | Llorean | It's not exactly a technical document though |
| 23:11:33 | DefineByte | a manual isn't a technical document? |
| 23:11:34 | Llorean | It's semi-technical, but I think, at least in some sentences, keeping a more casual tone might make it less imposing. |
| 23:11:39 | DefineByte | what is it then? |
| 23:11:43 | Llorean | I'd have to go by a case by case basis though. |
| 23:11:57 | safetydan | pixelma: ah yeah, I forgot about that |
| 23:12:01 | Llorean | Some of the sentences just felt a little awkward when I was skimming the patch, is all |
| 23:12:13 | DefineByte | oh yeah, they do |
| 23:12:34 | Llorean | I think it's a good idea, but I think as a global thing it might be too much. :) |
| 23:12:40 | DefineByte | they're part of my rewrite patch but I was told to split it up |
| 23:13:00 | DefineByte | so I thought I'd do the simple things first |
| 23:13:04 | DefineByte | then tidy up |
| 23:13:27 | Llorean | Gotcha. |
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| 23:13:51 | Llorean | Well, I think I'd like to wait for other people to weigh in. It doesn't "feel" right to me, so I won't be the one to commit it. Won't stand in the way though if others generally agree. |
| 23:14:02 | Llorean | Actually, I can't commit from this computer at the moment. No dev tools. :) Heh. |
| 23:14:04 | pixelma | Llorean: we didn't have a native speaker working on it for a long time (except button tables maybe) |
| 23:14:51 | Llorean | I just don't feel manuals should be treated as a strictly technical document. A completely technical tone makes it more imposing for the people who already have the most problem with it. |
| 23:15:00 | DefineByte | the only 'it's I can find is "Because it's open collector" |
| 23:15:09 | DefineByte | I had no idea what that meant though |
| 23:15:24 | Llorean | DefineByte: I dunno, I think that's a bad its. Maybe not. |
| 23:15:59 | DefineByte | I looked up 'open collector' on t'net and it seemed right |
| 23:16:11 | Llorean | Okay then |
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| 23:16:30 | ZincAlloy | hey, I still haven't heard a satisfying explanation why using another wps's images in a wps only works on the simulator. do you guys have a good explanation for this? I'd like to add unifont versions to the potential default themes without adding another folder with the same images. |
| 23:16:30 | DefineByte | I'm only about 60% on that though. x) |
| 23:17:45 | DefineByte | Llorean: This is what I based it on: http://www.acroname.com/robotics/info/concepts/opn_clct.html |
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| 23:20:02 | DefineByte | Oh, and I don't think I've ever seen a manual that uses "it's" etc. so it seems to be the way things are done (right or wrong). |
| 23:20:22 | DefineByte | anyone else have an opinion on this? |
| 23:20:30 | Llorean | I was thinking more things like "haven't" vs "have not" for the tone related ones. |
| 23:21:03 | DefineByte | I may be wrong but I've never seen those used either. |
| 23:21:15 | DefineByte | I did make an exception for the Wormlet plugin though |
| 23:21:22 | Llorean | Well, I'm not really talking about right/wrong here. Just what kind of tone sounds good to me personally |
| 23:21:25 | DefineByte | as the wording was trying to be quite light |
| 23:22:37 | ZincAlloy | I'm not a native speaker, but "haven't" definietely isn't "manual tone" ;) |
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| 23:23:41 | DefineByte | I guess the question is: would using phrases like "have not" instead of "haven't" put anyone off? |
| 23:24:09 | DefineByte | You'd know better than me Llorean. |
| 23:24:27 | DefineByte | Dealing more with the support side as you do. |
| 23:25:01 | Llorean | I really don't know. I *think* that it would be more comfortable for people if the manual tried to have a casual tone where possible. |
| 23:25:04 | ZincAlloy | maybe it doesn't turn people off, but it doesn't look professional for sure |
| 23:25:35 | Llorean | ZincAlloy: I think using "have not" instead of "haven't" looks more professional |
| 23:25:46 | Llorean | Contractions, generally speaking, aren't a very professional thing in a technical document |
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| 23:26:09 | DefineByte | i think that's what zinc meant. they just got it backwards |
| 23:26:22 | ZincAlloy | that's what I think as well, yes |
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| 23:26:49 | Llorean | But I think that most of the people going to our manual aren't looking for a professional tone, they're looking for "help" |
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| 23:27:28 | DefineByte | that page I posted maybe isn't the best example of technical documentation. It seems to use "open-collector" and "open collector" x) |
| 23:28:03 | Llorean | I think "conversational" is a better tone than "technical" or "professional" for our manual. But, again, personal opinion. |
| 23:28:27 | DefineByte | Do people find professionally produced manuals generally off-putting? I don't have an answer to that. |
| 23:28:37 | ZincAlloy | right, help is not a matter of tone. A helpful manual would "think" like its potential user. that's not easy to write |
| 23:29:01 | Llorean | ZincAlloy: But the comfort of the reader is important |
| 23:29:20 | Llorean | You can write the same instructions, but by way of word choice, make it seem much more or much less imposing. |
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| 23:29:54 | Llorean | A lack of contractions makes a document feel technical. Technical makes it feel "over your head" for nervous users, even if the content isn't *that* technical, I think. |
| 23:30:06 | ZincAlloy | sure, but I think comfort should be achieved by using short and easy to understand sentences |
| 23:30:11 | Llorean | Because many of our users feel they're non-technical people who just heard about something cool |
| 23:30:33 | DefineByte | I think people will be put off more by things like "bootloader" |
| 23:30:38 | Llorean | ZincAlloy: That doesn't mean that contractions wouldn't help generate a non-technical, or comfortable, tone. |
| 23:31:06 | Llorean | I'm not saying other things wouldn't help it more. I just think that contractions help make things a little more comfortable, is all. |
| 23:31:18 | linuxstb | ZincAlloy: Regarding your wps question - I'm guessing you're using filenames such as "../somewhere/something.bmp" ? |
| 23:31:29 | Soap | IMHO the best thing you can do for the people put off by "bootloader" is write a "Rockbox for Dummies" abridged manual. |
| 23:31:29 | DefineByte | The whole start of the installation section is taken up by the inner workings of the boot sequence which I think is a mistake. |
| 23:31:49 | Llorean | DefineByte: That is bad, yes. |
| 23:31:54 | DefineByte | I think the standard manual should be that |
| 23:31:55 | ZincAlloy | true, but I think contractions are for spoken language rather than for written |
| 23:32:11 | ZincAlloy | linuxstb: yes, that's right |
| 23:32:14 | linuxstb | IMO we should explain to users what they are doing to their DAP... |
| 23:32:23 | Llorean | We should explain to users what they're doing. |
| 23:32:49 | DefineByte | Do you get this in the Ubuntu manual? |
| 23:32:53 | Llorean | But we could summarize it briefly, and say "For more information, see blah, after the installation instructions" |
| 23:33:14 | Soap | there is enough confusion as is about what role Rockbox is playing on their hardware, and what role (in the case of PP owners) the original firmware is playing. I think the distinctions made in the manual are important. |
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| 23:34:14 | Llorean | For the iPod, for example, we could say "The bootloader is a small program that we install, on the disk of the iPod, that has it load our software, or load the original software. We squeeze it in before the original software at the beginning of a hidden part of the disk." |
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| 23:34:21 | DefineByte | true, for PP users it might be more important |
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| 23:34:34 | linuxstb | ZincAlloy: Then I would say the problem is that your operating system's "open" function can deal with relative paths, but Rockbox's version (which is used on target) doesn't. Try using absolute paths - i.e. /.rockbox/wps/somewhere/something.bmp |
| 23:35:00 | ZincAlloy | tried those as well. won't work either |
| 23:35:22 | Bagder | I think the wps image loader is made to load images for the specific wps |
| 23:35:38 | linuxstb | That's true - it will prepend the wps directory name... |
| 23:35:55 | pixelma | linuxstb: if I understood correctly he wants to use the same image folder with 2 different wps files |
| 23:36:53 | ZincAlloy | exactly |
| 23:37:13 | linuxstb | It would be nice, but would require adding that feature to Rockbox somehow... |
| 23:37:24 | pixelma | like it was uniCatcher/iCatcher which use the same bmps but needs everything doubled |
| 23:38:48 | MethoS- | i would like to update the gentoo version for rbutil-9999.ebuild, but I want to delete the old one first, but I don't have permission to delete attachments. could I get he rights to do so, or could anybody delete it for me, please? |
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| 23:40:34 | Bagder | MethoS-: can't you just create a new with a different name? |
| 23:41:16 | MethoS- | i could do so, but the old one is useless anyway |
| 23:41:35 | MethoS- | too much has changed, it simply doesn't work at all anymore |
| 23:41:35 | linuxstb | What does the "9999" mean in the filename? |
| 23:42:30 | Bagder | I realize it doesn't work, I just think saving it for future reference could be handy |
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| 23:42:53 | MethoS- | the number behind the name is commonly used for the version. 9999 shows, that it will use the svn-repository, and so is always the newest version available |
| 23:43:00 | Bagder | I can of course rename it |
| 23:43:24 | leftright | Slasheri; Hi, have you seen bug 8283 |
| 23:43:30 | linuxstb | I don't think we need qt in the name anymore though. |
| 23:43:50 | MethoS- | linuxstb: indeed |
| 23:44:06 | MethoS- | its name is rbutil-9999.ebuild now |
| 23:44:23 | Bagder | then I won't need to remove the existing |
| 23:45:20 | MethoS- | it is not needed, but it should be done, because the old rbutilqt-9999.ebuild is useless |
| 23:49:14 | Bagder | it has many times proven valuable to keep older files even when they're not actually being used anymore |
| 23:49:28 | Bagder | thus I hesitate to remove files "just because" |
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| 23:52:02 | DefineByte | Is RBUtil going to get an auto-updater or similar? |
| 23:52:53 | MethoS- | if you have gentoo, this is the updater ;) |
| 23:53:26 | Llorean | Do we want people checking RBUtil out from SVN regularly? |
| 23:53:50 | Llorean | I know we've broken features of it a few times for decent periods. |
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| 23:54:17 | MethoS- | here are some reasons for removing rbutilqt-9999.ebuild : 1) rbutilqt is not rbutilqt anymore, 2) rbutilqt-9999.ebuild won't ever work again, 3) rbutilqt-9999.ebuild says it installed successful, even if it didn't and finally 4) I know what I am doing :))) |
| 23:54:41 | linuxstb | Llorean: I would say we don't... |
| 23:54:58 | Llorean | MethoS-: That just means there shouldn't be a link to it. |
| 23:55:00 | Bagder | MethoS-: so hide it from the page, none of those are reasons to remove it |
| 23:55:11 | MethoS- | okok^^ |
| 23:56:03 | Llorean | linuxstb: That's kinda how I feel. It's not as dangerous as SVN bootloader builds, but I'd rather offer a known good version as what people should use, than have them checking out and compiling their own installer that might have broken autodetection, or "autodetect" their main drive due to a typo, or who knows what else. |
| 23:56:16 | linuxstb | MethoS: What about Llorean's point - that SVN rbutil is often broken? |
| 23:56:18 | Llorean | It just seems "safer" even if the only hypotheticals are rather ridiculous. |
| 23:56:34 | DefineByte | I haven't looked but does RBUtil really have a 'download all themes' button? |
| 23:56:44 | DefineByte | seems strange |
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