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#rockbox log for 2007-12-19

00:00:32kugelSlasheri: Just read your commit, which reminds me, that you wanted to take a look at the dircache patch
00:01:12kugelSlasheri: fs#7598
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00:06:32Nico_PSlasheri: any thoughts on how to handle AA in the DB?
00:06:48MethoS-I think "gentoo-people" know about the risc of installing 9999-versions (bugs/compiling-errors/etc.). people, who know what 9999 means, know what svn means, so they will be prepared :)
00:07:21DefineByteI don't know what 9999 means xD
00:07:40Nico_PSlasheri: (see (FS #8295)
00:07:40MethoS-are u using gentoo?
00:07:52DefineBytenot that it matters, I'm sure
00:08:21MethoS-DefineByte: [00:12:26] <MethoS-> the number behind the name is commonly used for the version. 9999 shows, that it will use the svn-repository, and so is always the newest version available
00:08:57DefineByteI see. Interesting. :)
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00:09:29DefineByteHeh, I wasn't being sarcastic.
00:09:55MethoS-oh, didn't get that
00:10:29LloreanNico_P: I thought you were just gonna keep a string containing the path of it, or something?
00:10:56Nico_PLlorean: yeah but even that isn't quite trivial, especially as I don't know the DB code
00:11:15LloreanI thought you were maybe thinking of storing more now, or something
00:11:39Nico_PRoolku's patch implements it but it didn't seem to work well
00:13:13MethoS-linuxstb: regarding rbutil and SVN: there is even a guide to compile rbutil from SVN :)
00:15:13linuxstbPrefixed by "If you want to work on RockboxUtility...." - i.e. it's aimed at developers, not end-users.
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00:16:02MethoS-rly oO... oh, right
00:16:48LloreanAnd of course, those who want to work on it, probably need to compile it multiple times, manually, testing changes. :)
00:18:20MethoS-btw: did anyone do something on this issue for rbutil: "video conversion | do it like WinFF" ?
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00:21:28DefineByteidentity crisis? ;)
00:22:41LloreanMethoS-: Nobody has added any sort of video transcoding features to RBUtil.
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00:23:45MethoS-Llorean: english is not my native language :P don't blame me
00:23:52MethoS-blame the language :))))
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00:26:26MethoS-'subject' is better, isn't it?
00:26:32RyoSsehr sehr cool
00:26:41MethoS-total toll
00:26:50RyoSwtf :D
00:26:53RyoSwrong channel :D
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00:57:11blkboxHey. I have a compiling question.
00:57:34blkboxHow do I put arm-elf-gcc in my PATH?
00:58:35blkboxIf i do which perl at the prompt it will give me the location, but arm-elf-gcc is not in my path.
01:00:06scorche|wthat is something that depends on your shell and is highly googleable
01:00:52DefineByte'Other search engine providers are available.'
01:02:25blkboxI can put in the $PATH variable with 'export PATH=~/arm/bin/arm-elf-gcc:$PATH'.
01:02:56blkboxBut the config script for rockbox doesn't look for that variable. (
01:03:22safetydanblkbox: you're misunderstanding how the PATH variable works then. You just want to add the ~/arm/bin/ part
01:03:40blkbox1 minute.
01:04:47blkboxWorked like a charm. Maybe I should learn some 'fundamentals' of Linux. =]
01:05:44kugelPATH also exist on win
01:06:47blkboxI'm using linux. I just meant that here I am, cross-sompiling software, and I don't know how to export variables.
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01:10:44blkboxAnother thing. I've noticed this with the chrisjs build. After it asks if I want to create a bookmark when I stop playing a file, if I choose 'no', it hangs until the backlight goes off. Then it will work. Kind of irritating. But I should probably ask him, right?
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01:11:27safetydanblkbox: yes. custom builds are not supported here
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01:12:45blkboxsafetydan: Right.
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01:17:26blkboxHow do get extra patches and plugins for my own build? I would assume svn, am I correct?
01:18:33DefineByteflyspray, I'd imagine
01:19:23blkboxDefineByte: How would I find this? New at this, so give me some slack.
01:20:13safetydanblkbox: have you built a normal build yet? You might want to get that working first before changing things.
01:21:00blkboxIt building as we speak. =] But I thought I'd get a head start.
01:21:35blkboxThanks, I'll check it out.
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01:26:27blkboxOkay. Hit a snag. Tried to config for uisimulator, but evidently I don't have SDL installed. Just some info on what it is should help.
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01:27:28blkboxlinuxstb: Thanks.
01:28:14safetydanblkbox: depending on what distribution of Linux you're using you may be able to install the libsdl1-dev package
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01:31:03blkboxsafetydan: I'll try that.
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01:33:02blkboxsafetydan: Worked so far. Now to make.
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01:36:42blkboxsafetydan: CC quant_lsp.c
01:36:42blkboxCC sb_celp.c
01:36:42blkboxCC speex.c
01:36:42DBUGEnqueued KICK blkbox
01:36:42blkboxCC speex_callbacks.c
01:36:42blkboxAR+RANLIB libspeex-rockbox.a
01:36:43***Alert Mode level 1
01:36:43blkboxLD rockboxui
01:36:45blkboxcollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
01:36:47blkboxmake[1]: *** [/home/russell/rockbox/build/rockboxui] Error 1
01:36:49blkboxmake: *** [build] Error 2
01:37:22blkboxWhoops, that didn't work. Sorry. Anyway, hints?
01:37:35safetydanplease don't paste stuff like that in the channel, use or similar sites
01:38:10blkboxsafetydan: Sorry, again. Didn't know it would do that. =|
01:38:21safetydanblkbox: that's not normally built as part of a simulator build IIRC. What command did you type?
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01:39:21blkboxsafetydan: I ran the config script, selected 50 for e200, and told it to do a Simulator build.
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01:39:35blkboxsafetydan: Then I ran make.
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01:41:08blkboxsafetydan: I did this in the same dir from when I compiled the build, with all the files still there. Have anything to do with it?
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01:42:07safetydanblkbox: I don't understand what you wrote. You've done a target build in this directory before, then ran configure again to build a simulator in the same directory?
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01:42:32safetydanyou don't want to do that normally. Either create a new build directory, or do make clean in the build directory before/after running configure
01:42:50blkboxsafetydan: Okay.
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01:44:18blkboxsafetydan: Make is still going.....Back in a minute.
01:46:45***Alert Mode OFF
01:51:47blkboxsafetydan: That worked. Guess I can't be so lazy.....=]
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01:54:04blkboxsafetydan: g2g. I'll be back later. Thanks for all your help.
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01:55:13blkboxDarn!!! Stupid irc client..........&*@##!
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02:12:49Lars_GQuestion, who provides the usb.h needed by rbutil? kernel? libusb?
02:15:03Lars_GAnd the answer is... libusb doh
02:15:13Lars_GI installed libusb-dev and have it now. thanks
02:15:31scorcheglad to help!
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02:23:26Lars_Gyeah you guys are always a zippydidoodat to help
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02:25:17psycho_maniacwhats wrong?
02:25:48Lars_Gpsycho_maniac: nothing :D I just answered myself before anyone could
02:26:12psycho_maniachaha thats good then.
02:28:02Lars_GQuestion. this new flow thing is a copy of the cover flow in new ipods?
02:28:54Lars_GAnd I guess it doesn't shows in my ipod since it is disabled there due to small screen-ness? (nano)
02:29:19psycho_maniacanything comitted to rockbox works on every player.
02:29:31Lars_Godd. then I don't know how to find it or use it
02:29:31scorchenot necessarily true
02:29:50Lars_GStill I've not done much effort cover-wise on the ipod since it's a lotta work.
02:29:55Lars_Gto convert everything
02:29:56psycho_maniacwell almost anything. some stuff is only for certin players, but pictureflow works on all players i think, for sure the nano 1g
02:29:59Lars_GI might script it, someday
02:30:39psycho_maniacLars_G: main menu>plugins>demos>pictureflow
02:30:57bobruleshofefully it will get better day by day
02:31:03bobrulesit's a really neat function
02:31:08psycho_maniacto how to use it check out the PluginPictureFlow page on the wiki
02:31:29Lars_Gthanks psycho_maniac
02:31:49Lars_GOne of these days I should learn enough rockbox source to patch the thing I personally find lacking
02:32:00psycho_maniac....and that is
02:32:21Lars_GNah no need to bead a dead horse (I've seen it over the forums), so I'll patch them myselves someday and offer the patches
02:32:40bobrulesWhat happens if your rockbox is patched and you install a current build?
02:32:52psycho_maniacthe patches go away
02:33:12bobrulesI'll stick with current build I guess
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02:33:30Lars_Gthe most important right now for me is a change/rework of the bookmark feature or similar to archieve a OF like keeping of place for podcasts, independently of their storage area.
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02:33:46psycho_maniacbut if you know how to compile you can patch a current buld with the patches you want.
02:33:57Lars_Gbobrules: Now, if you do your own builds, and you've patched the source tree, svn should be able to work the merge automatically almost always
02:34:28bobrulesI don't know anything about programming
02:34:48Lars_GThen you'd have to choose between the patches or the lattest :( sorry
02:34:50scorchepatching isnt necessarily programming
02:35:02Lars_GWell you could do some patching without writing code or having to read it.
02:35:06bobruleshow come current build don't include patches?
02:35:14psycho_maniacthe main reason why i compile my own builds (or used to) is i only wanted one or two simple patches. now i just compile builds for testing.
02:35:26psycho_maniacbecause it overwrites the files the patches edited.
02:35:27Lars_Gscorche: Altough eventually he would confront an incompatibility not solved by svn and that needs to be solved by hand. I've had to do that twice so far.
02:35:29scorcheit does...but they arent patches anymore when they are merged into SVN
02:35:35Lars_Gscorche: and I have few patches applied
02:35:44scorcheLars_G: i said "isnt necessarily"...not "isnt"
02:36:18Lars_Gbobrules: because patches are offerings to rockbox that the core team is in no obligation to accept.
02:36:44Lars_Gonce a contribution is acepted, wether in original form, or modified, it becomes part of offitial rockbox, and thus part of the daily builds.
02:37:07Lars_Gotherwise it'd be unwieldy to simply apply every patch out there, not considering many are broken and that some conflict between eachother
02:37:33Lars_GAnd it would also make it harder for core developers to debug the plain rockbox for problems with lots of third party patches in the middle
02:37:56psycho_maniaci would like to see a build with most of the patches in the patch tracker. that would be crazy
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02:38:16scorchemost are out of sync
02:38:31scorcheand the build would be horribly broken
02:38:42psycho_maniaclike i said, it would be crazy
02:38:51scorchecrazy = unusable :)
02:39:19Lars_GIn fact, I think I have a single third party patch on my rockbox (doubleclick, I love it) and one personal modification (doctored tagnavi)
02:39:36bobruleswhat does double click do?
02:39:54scorchelook it up in the tracker..
02:41:07safetydanLars_G: is the tagnavi change something you can't achieve with the supported custom tagnavi file?
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02:41:46Lars_Gsafetydan: I edited the tagnavi.conf, it's a matter of personal taste, I don't want to scroll to a "custom" submenu to get to what I want
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02:41:58Lars_Gand one of the changes is something that had to be done in tagnavi.conf
02:42:49bwanannaseriousley, how does someone transfer files to a rockbox enabled ipod, just mount it as a usb drive and copy them over
02:42:53Lars_Gsafetydan: anyhow my changes merged automatically with the svn change that ocurred in tagnavi yesterday or day before that so it's possed no troubles to me yet
02:43:00Lars_Gbwananna: yup
02:43:04psycho_maniacbwananna: you are correct
02:43:06safetydanLars_G: you can have your custom tagnavi override the included one
02:43:09psycho_maniacbut not in the .rockbox folder
02:43:11bwanannaany directory or what
02:43:21Lars_Gbwananna: Rockbox will play files from anywhere in the player. and the database will read them from anywhere as well
02:43:27bwanannawell that's easier i guess
02:43:28safetydanLars_G: %root_menu "yourmenuname" in your tagnavi_custom
02:43:59Lars_Gsafetydan: Ah, I could've done that, but well my change works anyhow. And if I had done that it wouldn'tve merged with the recent changes in svn ;)
02:43:59bwanannathen another question, does it work like that on a regular ipod too?
02:44:07Lars_Gbwananna: no
02:44:17bwanannagood deal
02:44:23bwanannanow if i can only mount the dang thing
02:44:29psycho_maniacon the ipod OF you have to use itunes.
02:44:30bwanannadoes it use msdosfs?
02:44:32Lars_Gbwananna: the original firmware will only play files that itunes or a compatible program places inside a certain directory and adds to a special database
02:44:51bwanannaLars_G: that's what it seemed like
02:44:51bobrulesI hated itunes
02:45:09Lars_GIpods are formated in either HFS or FAT depending if they're formated in "mac" or "windows" format
02:45:20psycho_maniacim glad i dont know what iTunes is :D
02:45:21Lars_GI'm unsure if rockbox can read HFS as the FS though
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02:45:32bwanannamine is apparently fat
02:45:43psycho_maniacbwananna: do you have itunes open or running?
02:45:45safetydanLars_G: no, no HFS support nor will there ever be
02:45:52bwanannano i'm using openbsd
02:46:01bwanannai should be able to mount it though
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02:46:09Lars_Gsafetydan: nod. I use FAT anyhow since it's cross-platform
02:46:13bwanannai was able to mount the ipod w/o the rockbox firmware
02:46:42Lars_Gbwananna: the rockbox "firmware" is just a directory in your normal partition...
02:46:43bwanannaanyone ever used a rockbox ipod on openbsd before?
02:47:10Lars_Gbwananna: question is the ipod showing the rockbox screen with an usb plug in it, or the "do not disconnect" white dialog?
02:47:21bwanannanot currently
02:47:31Lars_G... so it's not showing anything?
02:47:33bwanannado i have to start in in disk mode
02:47:40bwanannawell it shows the main rockbox menu
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02:47:56bwanannaand it's connected to my usb port and dmesg shows that i have it connected
02:48:04Lars_Gok it hasn't launched the OF then. a little advice, turn on the ipod to rockbox and then connect it to usb
02:48:09Lars_Gright now, disconnect it, and connect it again
02:48:28Lars_Gsometimes when you connect the ipod when it's off, rockbox will start but wont switch to the OF which it uses to handle USB
02:48:40Lars_Gsince rockbox has an incomplete USB stack right now, it depends on the OF to connect to the pc
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02:48:45bwanannaok i'm rebooting with it disconnected
02:48:49bwanannait's at the main menu
02:48:56bwanannanow i'm pluging it in
02:48:58Lars_GOk connect it now.
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02:50:05bwanannai think i need to disable a driver
02:50:32psycho_maniacdid a thing come up saying something was looking for a driver?
02:51:08bwanannano, i'm using openbsd, but i would expect it to show up as a mass stoage device, but it's shwoing up as a usbgeneric device
02:51:27psycho_maniacwhat os do you have?
02:52:00Soapmanually boot into apple firmware - don't rely on Rockbox rebooting for testing purposes
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02:56:54psycho_maniacbwananna: is it working now?
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02:58:32bwanannawell if i boot into disk mode i should be able to mount it anyway
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03:00:08bwanannaah well i would have expected it to mount the same when in rockbox too
03:00:11bwanannano biggie
03:01:04krazykitbwananna, it does in targets that aren't iPods and Sansas
03:01:26bwanannakrazykit: say what
03:02:09krazykitbwananna, iPods and Sansas are based on portalplayer chips, which do not have full USB support in rockbox (yet). other players have a hardware bridge that works fine.
03:02:21bwanannaoh i see
03:02:44psycho_maniacyeah i cant wait for the sansas to have it. i wont have to delete built in folders every time i plug it in
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03:07:31bwanannai'm just glad i can play ogg
03:07:31bwanannafreakin asshat apple
03:10:31bwanannaawesome, folks thanks for the help
03:10:42bwanannaand thanks for the quality software
03:11:07bwanannai'll have to look over it more thoroughly during christmas
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03:20:40Merthsoftwtf happened to rockbox...
03:20:58MerthsoftI just loaded the most recent version, and when I turn on my H10, it freaks out
03:20:58psycho_maniacmore info
03:21:19MerthsoftHalf the screen is the iRivier boot screen, and the other half is scrunched up rockbox
03:21:31Merthsoftwith the image all distorted
03:22:22psycho_maniacdid you try anything to fix this on your own?
03:22:39MerthsoftI didn't have any ideas of how to, hence comming here.
03:23:22psycho_maniacdoes this do it every time when you boot up the player?
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03:23:49MerthsoftBut not before putting the most recent build on it
03:23:52Soaphow old was your previous install of Rockbox, Merthsoft?
03:24:01Merthsoftcouple of days
03:24:10Soappoof goes that theory.
03:24:35safetydanMerthsoft: does an older build still work?
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03:24:46Merthsoftlemme see
03:25:17Merthsoftshould i just try yesterday's?
03:29:04Merthsoftyesterday's works fine
03:29:06Merthsoftat least so far
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03:42:04psycho_maniacare the sansas slow? i noticed that on mine when i turn the volume up it takes awhile for it to actually go up.
03:46:39alienbiker99its not slow for me,
03:46:59psycho_maniacdo you have any audio settings changed?
03:47:07psycho_maniaci have a e260
03:47:31alienbiker99besides treble and bass, no. i have the e250 and e260
03:49:13psycho_maniacwerid. i had bass turned up and i set it back to 0 and now i get no lag.
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03:50:55psycho_maniacnobody has ever had this happen before?
03:51:49psycho_maniachow do you hard reset the sansa?
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03:54:01psycho_maniacheres some nice info. last post in this topic.
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03:57:45psycho_maniacwoohoo i rule i figured it on my own without the manual !
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04:00:35psycho_maniaci forgot you cant plugin the sansa while running rockbox.
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04:06:55jangofetthi can someone help me?
04:06:59jangofetti installed rockbox on my ipod
04:07:10jangofettbut i didn't delete all the OLD mp3s off of it that i had loaded via Itunes
04:07:15jangofetthow can I free up the space on my ipod?
04:07:44psycho_maniacjangofett: what folders are on the root of the drive?
04:08:26jangofettone sec connecting it now
04:08:31jangofetti had it "Search for drivers" by accident
04:08:33jangofettand its stuck searching
04:09:00psycho_maniaci do remember what folders to remove but dont know the names off hand.
04:09:38jangofettcalendar, contacts, notes, .rockbox, ipod_control
04:09:50psycho_maniacok open ipod control. whats in there?
04:10:01jangofettartwork, device, floola, itunes, music
04:10:08psycho_maniacclick on music. whats in there?
04:10:22jangofetta bunch of folders with f00 etc
04:10:26psycho_maniaclots of random named folders?
04:10:43ShaidKILL THEM
04:10:44jangofettf00 -> f49
04:10:48jangofettall of them?
04:10:52psycho_maniacand then in those folders i think are mp3 files?
04:10:57Shaiddo you have any videos on your ipod you want to keep?
04:11:02jangofettShaid: no
04:11:12jangofettshould i just kill the folders? or filse inside the folders?
04:11:16psycho_maniacgo back a folder
04:11:22jangofettI am in the Music folder
04:11:33psycho_maniachighlight music click and hold select then click delete
04:11:47jangofettso i shoudl delete the Music folder, not just the contents of the folder?
04:12:00jangofettok deleting
04:12:20psycho_maniacholy smokes. i still get the sound delay and i have the most recent build
04:12:25psycho_maniacon my e260
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04:12:32jangofettwhere do I place my new music files?
04:12:42psycho_maniacanywhere on the root of the drive but NOT in .rockbox
04:12:47ShaidWherever you'd like
04:12:52jangofettso i can make folders etc?
04:12:58jangofettto organize them?
04:13:10Shaidyes, you can. for example I have _mp3_ _flac_ and _misc_ folders.
04:13:10psycho_maniacyes any way you want
04:13:38jangofettthanks shaid
04:13:42jangofettand psycho_maniac
04:14:02psycho_maniacanybody get a volume delay on the sansa e260? all i have changed is the bass and i get a delay when i turn the volume up and down
04:16:48bwanannaso these calendars contacts and notes folders won't cause the ipod to have a shitfit if i delete them will they
04:17:04safetydanpsycho_maniac: bass enhancement is done in software on the Sansa, maybe that's why you're seeing lag
04:17:33psycho_maniacbwananna: yeah you can delete them
04:17:34jangofettto install a theme all i have to do is extract the fils from the theme zip file onto the ipod into the .rockbox folder?
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04:18:00psycho_maniacno on the root of the drive as long as the zip file was made correctly
04:18:20jangofettand then I reset the ipod?
04:18:59psycho_maniacwell eject it from your computer and go to menu>settings>theme settings>browse themes
04:19:14webguest79Markun? I have a question for you, hopefully a quick one. I tracked you down via
04:20:02jangofettthanks psycho!
04:20:13psycho_maniacsafetydan: i think your right but alienbiker99 said he doesnt have this delay
04:22:20safetydanwebguest79: best to just write your question (if it's rockbox related) rather than talk to one person
04:23:08psycho_maniaci just turned off the bass and turned on the eq. suck i was testing the delay with a headach :S
04:23:37jangofettpsycho this is wicked sick
04:23:38jangofettthanks so much!
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04:53:01jangofettis there any way to DL all the themes that are located on the WPS site at once?
04:53:04jangofettso i don't have to do them one by one?
04:53:20psycho_maniacus the rockbox utility
04:54:19psycho_maniacI ment "use the rockbox utility"
04:54:52jangofettcopying 30 gigs of music is *SLOWWWWW*
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05:06:16webguest86Anyone know the resolution of a c250's screen?
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05:06:59webguest86Anyone know the screen size on a Sansa C250?
05:07:08psycho_maniacwebguest86: 176 x 220
05:07:45psycho_maniacNext time only ask once. Somebody will come around to read it and answer.
05:08:00webguest86Sorry, comps lagging.
05:08:07webguest86I thought it only printed it once.
05:08:23krazykitpsycho_maniac, er, that's the e250 isn't it?
05:08:48psycho_maniacwell e200
05:09:06psycho_maniacthere all the same in the e series i thought?
05:09:19webguest86Yes, but I need the c250.
05:09:25psycho_maniacoh C didnt see that
05:09:34webguest86Honest mistake.
05:09:38psycho_maniacthe C is 132 x 80
05:09:44webguest86Ah, thank you.
05:09:59psycho_maniacthanks for noticing that krazykit
05:10:39webguest86That's width X height, correct?
05:10:51webguest86Common sense.
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05:35:19Travelerworking on a doom like 3d game, has a 25x25 array, two are 6x487, and one is 2675x3, are all of these small enough to use?
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07:07:30amiconnAlmost one KB even on archos - for an unreliable feature :(
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07:44:07jharuI wonder if bagder takes a rest... everytime i irc his name is there... finally i got cygwin running. faster than vmware too.
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08:04:36jharuwhenever i type svn cleanup it says "svn:'.' is not a working copy directory"
08:08:08jharualso my svn co stopped at rockbox/fonts/wincrox4h... then says device is busy...
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08:10:31eigmajharu: in what directory did you type "svn cleanup"?
08:14:48jharuerrr after recieving the message svn: rockbox/fonts/.... device busy. i retyped the svn co svn:// but then it says do cleanup but when i typed it it says the dir is locked.
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08:16:08eigmahave you made any modifications to the tree?
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08:17:36jharui have yet to dload all the .c and .h files. as i said it stopped before getting finished
08:17:50jharusays device is busy
08:19:43eigmabest bet is to just delete everything and start over −− rm -rf rockbox; svn co svn://... rockbox
08:19:50eigmamake sure your svn:// path ends in "/trunk"
08:21:09jharuerr... i just did that and somehow its running now but... i typed / trunk out of haste. will it change soething, that space?
08:21:32GodEater_yes - you'll download more stuff than you want
08:21:33eigmalinux command-lines are very sensitive to spaces
08:22:07amiconnI wonder what virus scanner you're using... (re the "device busy" problem)
08:22:07GodEater_*any* command line is sensitive to spaces
08:22:16jharuyeah noticed that i downloaded about 10 files that are new to me.
08:22:49jharuamicomm: im using nod32
08:23:11eigmaheh.. I was completely stumped about "Device busy".. interesting
08:23:24eigmathe next question is which file is triggering it
08:24:00jharuis it really caused by my antivirus?
08:24:30amiconnHmm, not the 'bad' one I suspected....
08:25:30jharua bad antivirus??? well im getting to the part where it stopped and im crossing my finger...
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08:26:56woodensoulSite is down again. What's the alternate site to get the builds?
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08:27:25amiconnThe site works like a charm here...
08:27:45woodensoulwell it didn't for me 20 seconds ago
08:27:54markunamiconn: maybe he just had a problem with one of the mirrors?
08:27:58jharulooks like its going to say the device busy message again...
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08:28:15amiconnmarkun: The current builds aren't mirrored afaik
08:28:26woodensoulyeah, I meant daily builds
08:28:29markunjharu: did you interrupt and start without the space befor trunk?
08:28:42GodEater_woodensoul: why use a daily build ?
08:28:54woodensoulbecause the site is down and i can't get a current one
08:29:07woodensoulso I know there is an alternate site that has daily builds
08:29:26GodEater_but it's not down
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08:30:05woodensoulwell it isn't loading here while every other site is
08:30:37markunwoodensoul: which one do you want? I can host is for you.
08:30:42jharui dont know interrupt... and the first time i tried it was typed /trunk and another thing i noticed it stops at rockbox/trunk/fonts/win_crox4h.bdf i says device or resource busy.
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08:31:01amiconnjharu: The on-access component of all virus scanners needs to hook into the filesystem in order to scan the files. Some scanners occasionally block the access for too long, and then windows thinks the device is busy. The one giving most troubles in my experience is Symantec (Norton)
08:31:02markunjharu: control+C to stop
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08:31:17woodensouliRiver H3x0
08:31:26woodensoulbut no one knows the alternate site for daily builds?
08:31:45markunwebguest79: no, we never needed one because this one works fine
08:31:57amiconnI know too little about nod32 in order to tell whether it might also cause that sort of problem
08:32:10woodensoulwell i've been on it before because the main site seems to go down so often
08:32:11jharuso i need to temporary shut off my antivirus...
08:32:15markuneh, that was for woodensoul
08:33:07GodEater_in my experience it doesn't go down very often at all
08:33:16woodensoulThanks, got it.
08:33:29markunGodEater_: and we all have the source to build it ourselves :)
08:33:32woodensoulWell I goes down quite often on my end. What is the likely problem?
08:33:34GodEater_there is that too ;)
08:33:39GodEater_woodensoul: your isp
08:33:49markunwith git even the complete history to build any revision
08:33:52woodensoulBut every other page loads fine.
08:34:02GodEater_*every* other page
08:34:06GodEater_you've checked the ENTIRE internet
08:34:10CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
08:34:10*GodEater_ doubts this
08:34:16woodensoulevery one i tried
08:34:26GodEater_how many others do you browse in sweden ?
08:34:27markunwoodensoul: can you see this page?
08:34:56woodensoulnope, isn't loading
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08:35:34woodensoulbut I'm on the site every day and it usually doesn't work at night when it does go down
08:35:40markunI can't really help you with it. Maybe Zagor of Bagder know other things to try.
08:35:52GodEater_It's likely a routing issue
08:35:57GodEater_which bagder / zagor can't help with
08:36:17GodEater_you don't use TOR or something do you woodensoul ?
08:36:27scorchewoodensoul: how about
08:37:16woodensouldon't know what TOR is
08:37:34*markun neither
08:37:43GodEater_TOR = "The Onion Router"
08:37:46woodensoulforums don't work either
08:37:54jharuT_T... this is so furstrating... svn wont give me files to do rockbox... it says its locked
08:38:00GodEater_maybe using it would help woodensoul if his problem really is routing that is odd...the forums site is located all the way over int he US...
08:38:28markunscorche: I can't get a connection to the forums either
08:38:37scorcheoh...that time of the night huh
08:38:38jharusvn help cleanup
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08:38:43scorchebad example =/
08:38:44GodEater_markun: they're working here :P
08:38:46markunscorche: yes, bad timing :)
08:38:58scorchethey seem instant here
08:39:05GodEater_me too
08:39:10markunah yes, now it work again
08:39:13GodEater_they're not in "slow down" mode at all
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08:39:29*GodEater_ is still of the opinion that woodensoul's ISP is a bit crap
08:39:41woodensoulwell it's Verizon
08:39:54GodEater_in that case they're definitely crap :)
08:40:04*GodEater_ has to work with Verizon on a daily basis and knows how useless they are
08:40:08woodensoulI don't have problems with any other pages loading (that i use)
08:40:19woodensoulwell they are better than comcast
08:40:44GodEater_well we've just proved they can't get you access to a site in sweden, or one in the USA
08:41:05scorchewoodensoul: what browser are you using?
08:41:18woodensoulforums work now, but not the homepage
08:41:24markunmaybe someone got banned from the forums who works for verizon and decided to take revenge? :)
08:41:24woodensoulfirefox, but tried IE too
08:42:19jharuhow do i erase the files ive just downloaded? i hope i wont be erasing what i downloaded to run cygwin coz it took too much time.
08:42:29markunjharu: with the 'rm' command
08:42:44jharui just type rm?
08:43:08markunsomething like 'rm -rf trunk'
08:43:52markunor whichever directory got created
08:44:13markunjharu: why do you want to download the rockbox source if I may ask?
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08:44:56mrkikoyou can get a nice build-containing zip file
08:45:25GodEater_or a source containing zip file for that matter
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08:46:38jharumarkun: is like i said before. i like to study how rockbox work. its in c and it will help me in my field of study. it may seem irrelevant but ireally find what you do interesting. i also am hoping to make some patches to help the cause...
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08:47:32markunjharu: you can also download the latest source here:
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08:47:40markunand just unpack it on your PC
08:48:05jharumarkun: thanks :3
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08:48:38woodensoulAnyone here use Rockbox on the Sansa e200 and notice the annoying noises when filling up the buffer? I just got some IEM and can hear it very well now.
08:48:59Mouser_Xwoodensoul: That's a known issue.
08:49:04scorchethis also happens with the original firmware
08:49:14jharueven in the of i think
08:49:18woodensoulYeah, but is there any possible way to fix it?
08:49:25Mouser_XNot really.
08:49:32Mouser_XIt can be minimized, but probably not fixed.
08:49:36jharuits hw that may be causing it
08:49:39Mouser_X(This is what I've heard.)
08:50:00Mouser_XYes, it's electrical interference.
08:50:06woodensoulActually just about all my rockboxed players have undesired noises that I can now notice with the IEMs.
08:50:16woodensoulHard drive spinning up through them
08:50:24woodensoulbut I guess that not the fault of rockbox
08:50:50jharuhmmm you must have sensitive ears coz i rarely hear that humm
08:50:55mrkikoH340 is not affected by them
08:51:51mrkiko... probably, since I cant hear them...
08:52:09woodensoulboth the H320 and H120/H140 have a white noise issue that is really only noticed when music isn't playing and with the IEMs. On my Gigabeat F, I can hearr the hard drive spinning through them.
08:52:35markunwoodensoul: I have the same experience with my h120 and F40
08:52:46jharuthats static your hearing. i think its natural...
08:52:48markunand my IEMs
08:53:09markunjharu: but still annoying
08:53:41woodensoulthe gigabeat has less background noise, but if I remember correctly, more hard drive noise
08:53:48markunyes, same here
08:53:58markunalthough I didn't use my iriver in a while
08:54:06jharuhey, thats for using hdd devices. but then again it also occurs in flash devs.
08:54:11woodensoulnever noticed any of it before starting to use the IEMs
08:54:24markunwoodensoul: which ones do you have?
08:54:33woodensoulwhat if you use a card in the Sansa, would you still hear the noises?
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08:55:05woodensoulShure SE210, you?
08:55:47woodensoulI dug out my nearly 10 year old minidisc recorder and there is absolutely no noise at all with that and the IEMs.
08:56:05markunCheap Creative EP-630 (rebranded sennheiser CX300)
08:56:43woodensoulWell mine were a gift. $150 is lot to spend on headphones, but I do like them a lot.
08:56:55jharuit comes with technology, those little quirks. you just have to learn how to ignore it sometimes... but thats just me :3
08:57:07woodensoulhow do you like yours?
08:57:15markunquite ok
08:57:22markunand I only payed 25 euro
08:57:31LinusNIEM? Institut f Elektronische Musik? Institute of Engineering and Management? Iowa Electronic Markets?
08:57:41scorchein ear monitor
08:57:56markunmorning LinusN
08:58:01LinusNmorning :-)
08:58:06woodensoulthey are like earplug earphones
08:58:11jharuoogabooga linisn
08:59:38woodensoulwell i'm off to bed, thanks for hosting that build, markun
09:00:17jharuquestion... will cygwin be able to run this dl? and will it also compile the sim?
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09:01:03jharumarkun: your sure, ist for me or wooden?
09:01:10markunfor you
09:01:47markunwell, some files might be missing by accident, but then you can ask any of us and we will fix it
09:03:23markunif anyone in here wants to experiment with git for rockbox development, you can ask me for a download, because the import will take many hours
09:03:31jharuthanks i know im a noob at all of this but ill try to be helpful. i really like to learn and maybe if ever ill also be able to make my own build thank to the rbx dev team.:3
09:04:02markunjharu: yes, who knows :)
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09:05:44GodEater_markun: why many hours ?
09:06:31jharuso... qhere do i place this .bz2 file in order for me to start?
09:06:41GodEater_jharu: wherever you like really
09:06:50GodEater_but I suggest somewhere like ~/rockbox
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09:07:03jharubut how can cygwin open it?
09:07:05markunGodEater_: because I made it download from revision 0, so it download all the diffs of every revision up to now
09:07:12jharuits on the desktop.
09:07:43GodEater_cd "/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/your-user-name/Desktop"
09:08:02GodEater_markun: ah yes - I did that too
09:08:12GodEater_it did take a while :)
09:08:45markunit's funny to have a complete backup of all rockbox revisions lokally :)
09:09:32jharuthe quotations is it included
09:09:37GodEater_the git visual history tool is nice to look at too
09:09:44GodEater_jharu: yes, because of the space
09:10:07markunGodEater_: I now use 'tig' which is a ncurses interface
09:10:09GodEater_jharu: or you could do : cd /cygdrive/c/Documents\ and\ Settings/your-user-name/Desktop
09:10:32GodEater_markun: I'll have to have a look at that
09:11:25jharuok... but i don see any files.,..
09:11:47GodEater_jharu: you typed "ls" and got nothing ?
09:12:27jharujust typed...:3
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09:13:21markunjharu: some unix basics might be useful for you to learn first if you want to use cygwin or the vmware image
09:13:33jharuwhat now? unzip "filename"/
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09:14:12GodEater_jharu: move it to your home directory first : "mv *.bz2 ~"
09:14:30GodEater_jharu: then change back into your home directory "cd ~"
09:15:11GodEater_jharu: then extract it with "tar jxf rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2"
09:15:29GodEater_and then, as markun suggest, do some reading on some basic unix commands
09:17:01jharuany links that can be helpful? ones that you can recommend.
09:17:31GodEater_first hit I got in google for "basic unix commands"
09:19:48jharuif i remember mac and linux came from unix but branched separately right?... im lookin at this link rigth now. thanks a lot GodEater!
09:20:02markunGodEater_: emacs propaganda :)
09:20:35markunjharu: mac == OSX?
09:20:56GodEater_markun: sorry, I didn't inspect it for quality.
09:21:06GodEater_markun: still, it'll make Bagder happy :)
09:21:14jharumy cousin uses it mac os x leopard.
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09:23:59jharuit says emacs... what the heck is that?
09:25:08markunan editor.. which got so out of hand that it's now almost a complete operating system in it's own right :)
09:25:13mokkurkalveemacs is an editor
09:26:04markunjharu: it's big rival is 'vim'
09:27:29mokkurkalveit's supporters have even had paintball wars against each other - well, vi vs. emacs that is
09:28:16markunjharu: maybe this tutorial is a bit better:
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09:29:31markunmorning pixelma
09:29:44pixelmamorning :)
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09:31:53mrkikoI know it's a little too much off-topic, but it's a question of life-death: someone using gnapplet?
09:32:08mrkikoIf so, he/she is pleased to contact me on rockbox-community
09:32:57markunmrkiko: sorry, never used it
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09:38:39preglowpixelma: ahoy, did saratoga speak to you about a wma problem sample?
09:39:15Syaoransorry got disconnected. im jharu usin a new nick coz somehow my nick isnt allowed anymore TT_TT
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09:40:11pixelmapreglow: yeps, he found the file now - says he has an idea what's going on and tries to look at it during the holidays
09:41:46Syaorankick it?
09:42:02GodEater_/msg nickserv help
09:42:18preglowpixelma: ok, nice
09:43:08Syaoranits not doing anything...
09:45:32Syaoran... i just kicked my nick and still it wont budge...
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09:47:01peturSyaoran: go see
09:47:16Syaoranhey, the simple giude to compiling page changed! somehow its like its pertaining tome...
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09:52:37Syaorani cant do the ../tools/configure on cygwin. says no such directory.
09:53:53markunSyaoran: in which directory are you?
09:54:08markun(type 'pwd' if you are not sure)
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09:54:28markunI don't think that's correct
09:54:36markundon't you have a ~/rockbox/ directory?
09:54:59Syaoranill doublecheck.
09:55:38markunbut really, without any knowledge of unix command line you will get stuck all the time
09:59:37Syaoranso that means i have no idea on what to do always.
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10:16:12peturnow put 2 and 2 together please
10:16:12petur"youre running this script in a path that contains space. the build system is not clever enough to deal with this" and "home/Alexander Duma/rockbox/build_e200"
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10:18:25*GodEater_ manages to come up with an answer of 11 (in base 3)
10:18:27Syaorani know there is a space on alexander duma but the thing is that i dont know whre to find the home/alexander duma to put a underscore.
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10:19:49Syaoranand i think its not allowed to be changed.
10:19:52GodEater_so move the rockbox directory to /tmp or something
10:19:52GodEater_somewhere where there's not a space
10:19:54Syaorani found it and changing it rigth now...
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11:22:18Alphaseehey everyone.
11:22:25LinusNhey ho
11:22:38AlphaseeBeen awhile since I've been in here :P
11:22:45AlphaseeANyone familiar with gigabeats?
11:22:57LinusNdefine "familiar" :-)
11:23:03LinusNi have one
11:23:04GodEater_and which gigabeat
11:24:35AlphaseeMy friend bought a replacement drive, the MK6008 instead of the MK6004
11:24:51AlphaseeSo, I have a pointless drive, nothing to do with it
11:25:10Alphaseeand I still need to buy a 40+gb drive for my F40
11:25:48LinusNi don't get it
11:26:17GodEater_I don't see a question there either
11:27:12AlphaseeAnyone familiar with gigabeats :P
11:27:38AlphaseeI guess, what would be the most cost-effective solution for a replacement?
11:27:45Alphaseethe 50-pin HDDs are expensive.
11:28:13petur ?
11:28:19LinusNah, you mean that the mk6008 has a zif socket?
11:28:37AlphaseeEffing zif.
11:28:45Alphaseeso if anyone wants a zif drive
11:29:07LinusN60 gig, right?
11:29:53Alphasee40 :( :(
11:30:03Alphaseeyo're right
11:30:41peturisn't the S zif?
11:30:54AlphaseeI think so
11:31:08peturipod video too
11:31:12Alphasee Gigabeat X30, S30, V30 30GB ZIF 40
11:31:23Alphaseebut does it fit the thickness
11:31:38peturlook one line below
11:31:47AlphaseeToo thick
11:31:58Alphaseemine's 8, the S30 is 5
11:32:30AlphaseeMine's the original for the S60, I guess
11:32:39AlphaseeSo I could buy an S60, I guess.
11:33:03Alphaseeat least where the HDD has been raped.
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11:43:27andshi. I'm just trying the rockbox utility. On clicking complete installation.. i get the error msg: "download error: received http error" Any threads or leads with this?
11:44:40LinusNands: are you using a proxy?
11:44:59andsi don't think so...
11:45:04andspretty std setup at home
11:45:29LinusNok, then perhaps the download mirror is down
11:45:38LinusNdoes it happen every time you try?
11:45:54andsand I've tried from Ubuntu as well as winxp
11:46:21LinusNi don't know much about the rockbox utility myself
11:46:36pixelmaI think there was some issue with the "complete installation" - maybe you can install the bootloader and the Rockbox build seperately? And what version of the utility do you have?
11:47:09andsi have the latest version I believe... v1.0.2
11:47:44markunAlphasee: if you run out of idea what to do with your drive you could buy
11:48:29pixelmaands: that's the last available linux version yes - but not the latest
11:48:40andssmall installation gives me the same error.. it looks like it is trying to download and failing
11:49:20andsmight just do the manual installation tmrw :)
11:49:47GodEater_has anyone documented what you need to do to build a static version of rbutil ?
11:50:06GodEater_if so, I'll do it, and update the version available
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11:51:52pixelmaGodEater: there's a bit on the RockboxUtility wiki page, that's all I know...
11:52:04GodEater_hmm - perhaps not
11:52:13GodEater_when I run it keeps telling my config is wrong
11:52:26GodEater_and whatever I do in the config dialog, in KEEPS telling me it's STILL wrong
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14:17:47webguest29hi there, i want to make my battery display in a % or voltage amount as opposed to a little can i do this in rockbox?
14:17:59webguest29hi there, i want to make my battery display in a % or voltage amount as opposed to a little can i do this in rockbox?
14:18:05webguest29woops sorry
14:18:58hcssettings->general settings->display->status-/scrollbar->battery display
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14:19:10hcschoose numeric, to get a %
14:19:29hcsalso, read the manual for more fun options
14:20:15webguest29what do i have to do to get the settings to take effect?
14:20:27hcsshould take effect immediately
14:20:34webguest29also: i tried to build my database today(large amount of music) and my battery died due to all the HDD access before the database built...any thoughts?)
14:20:53hcsconnect it to a power supply?
14:21:00GodEater_plug the player in while you do it ?
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14:21:54webguest29its plugged into my computer now
14:21:58cool2bdaveHi, ive done a rockbox search and it seems the largest capacity mini SD Card for the Sansa that works is 2GB, is that correct?
14:21:59webguest29and i tried restarting it
14:22:00webguest29and it died again
14:22:15webguest29btw: hcs, it didn't take effect yet
14:22:18webguest29even though i changed the settings
14:22:39cool2bdaveIts an E280
14:22:51GodEater_well then how did the battery die ?
14:22:56hcswebguest29: do you mean the little battery at the top of each screen?
14:23:07webguest29hcs: yes
14:23:24webguest29godeater: it powered off, despite being in the middle of a "database build"
14:23:27GodEater_webguest29: it doesn't change the content of a WPS - it displays the battery status at the top of the screen
14:23:30webguest29...due to low power on the battery
14:23:54GodEater_cool2bdave: that's the maximum size that the original firmware will handle
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14:24:37webguest29ots a 4000 file there is probably a lot of disk access to read it all
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14:25:14GodEater_cool2bdave: Rockbox will allow you to use up to 32GB cards (when they exist)
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14:25:27webguest29i enabled usb connection charging
14:25:40webguest29so that it shoudl be running based off usb power and not the battery charge right?
14:25:43cool2bdaveGodEater_: Thanks, should most makes work?
14:25:57GodEater_webguest29: which player do you have ?
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14:27:27GodEater_cool2bdave: as far as we know
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14:29:46webguest29godeater: 5G 30g video
14:29:56webguest29btw, i just tried to build the DB again, and it died AGAIN
14:30:59hcsI don't think the iPods can draw enough power to sustain themselves during heavy disk access over usb.
14:31:05GodEater_webguest29: again, what player do you have ?
14:31:17GodEater_webguest29: and how old is your build ?
14:31:35rasherwebguest29: How much charge does your battery hold?
14:31:39webguest29godeater: yesterday's build and its a 30gig ipod
14:31:49webguest29its the stock ipod battery so i think 400mah
14:31:55webguest2930gig ipod video 5th gen
14:32:03rasherIs it charged right now?
14:32:11GodEater_500mA should be enough to do that
14:32:35hcsbut do they get that with rockbox?
14:32:41webguest29rasher, it was fully charged when i started doing it...then it died in the middle, and now its on the USB cable and its died 3 times
14:32:53webguest29godeater: i am not sure what the stock battery is
14:32:59rasherWell, maybe the db code just crashes spectacularly.
14:33:00webguest29i thought the stock was only 400..but i may be wrong
14:33:04GodEater_hcs: yes - since the usb stack went in
14:33:11rasherThat usually just results in a non-working db though.
14:33:22webguest29i have tried rebuilding it 4 times now i think
14:33:29hcsGodEater, sorry, out of touch
14:33:52GodEater_hcs: progress is too fast ;)
14:34:52GodEater_webguest29: can you get it to do anything else? If you leave the DB alone, will it play music ok ?
14:35:01cool2bdaveGodEater_: Thanks, I am now having a wee look at SD cards, are all sizes of the SDHC flavour ok too?
14:35:14webguest29its playing a song via the filesystem right now
14:35:42GodEater_cool2bdave: SDHC is the only one you'll find greater than 2GB I believe
14:35:57GodEater_then it sounds more like the database code is crashing your ipod
14:36:01GodEater_not that it's running out of juice
14:36:08webguest29no seriously
14:36:11webguest29its running out of juice
14:36:29webguest29cuz every time it dies it turns on and says "your ipod is really low on battery have to charge before i can fully power on" or some such
14:36:30hcsGodEater: still, I recall the documentation for my iPod color warning that it couldn't maintain heavy disk usage on usb power
14:36:32GodEater_then how is it playing a song ?
14:36:56webguest29godeater: i went thru the file system and actualy selected the song
14:37:00webguest29but i don't want to do that for ever song
14:37:01GodEater_hcs: that sucks then, given it's the only way to get power into them.
14:37:07cool2bdaveGodEater_: You have been very helpful thankyou :o)
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14:37:28GodEater_webguest29: that warning is often the result of a bug in apple's firmware. It doesnt' necesarily mean the ipod is low on power.
14:37:37GodEater_esp. if, as you say, the battery was fully charged when you started
14:37:42hcsGodEater: yeah, I think they go into a low speed mode under the apple firmware
14:38:22webguest29and it just died playing the song
14:38:28webguest29and now says "please wait very low battery"
14:38:32webguest29this SUCKS
14:38:36GodEater_hcs: you have evidence to this effect ?
14:39:07GodEater_webguest29: sounds like you need to charge that battery properly
14:39:31webguest29godeater: i was thinking that
14:39:36webguest29i'm still running the stock battery after well over a year
14:39:41webguest29it might be succumbing to problems
14:39:46webguest29but it worked fine on the old apple software
14:39:50GodEater_at least 24 hours of charging - possibly more
14:40:36webguest29well its on the charger for the next 24 hours then
14:40:41webguest29i just really wanted to listen to my music
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14:41:59webguest29will a 24 hour charge help reset my battery?
14:42:10peturwebguest29: you can check how much current windows is feeding it
14:42:24GodEater_webguest29: it may do if it's suffered from a deep discharge
14:42:25webguest29is it worth it to just pick up a replacement 650maH or 850maH on ebay?
14:42:30hcsGodEater: "Important: While songs, photos, or files are transferred using USB 2.0, the iPod battery loses charge." page 54
14:42:43peturwebguest29: through the device manager
14:42:47hcsGodEater: (of the manual here
14:43:07peturwebguest29: if you do, I recomment batteries from CameronSino
14:43:08GodEater_hcs: I meant the "low speed mode" you referred to
14:43:25webguest29not eforcity?
14:43:37hcsGodEater: then on page 63: "If you transfer a large amount of songs or data using USB 2.0 and the iPod battery is low, iPod will go into power-saving mode. Transfer speeds will slow down considerably. This is normal."
14:43:53webguest29petur: a search on ebay came up with no results for "cameronsino"
14:44:31GodEater_hcs: interesting ;)
14:44:40peturwebguest29: they aren't always marked clearly as such, but the pictures mostly have their name on it
14:45:05webguest29etur: this is the auction i am looking at:
14:45:37hcsGodEater: and I just checked the 5th gen manual, same warning (though worded a little different)
14:45:58GodEater_hcs: interesting - I've never had this issue
14:46:05peturwebguest29: looks too cheap to be good ;)
14:46:34GodEater_I wonder if this is because the Apple OF doesn't request 500mA when it's connected to a PC, rather than a charger
14:47:26webguest29ChanServ: every single battery i found is that price basically
14:47:31webguest29woops not chanserv
14:47:32webguest29stupid thing
14:48:56peturwell I'd try charging first, one year isn't too old for a battery
14:49:11peturunless it has been discharged too deep several times
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14:58:51JorisGoosenHello everyone
14:59:04hcsHi Joris!
14:59:30JorisGoosenI just read on the Wiki that before i get write permission I have to inroduce myself?
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15:00:03hcsJorisGoosen: and you need to pass a quick morality test
15:00:31JorisGoosena morality test?
15:00:42captmorganhey just randomly when clicking database it says Database is not ready initialize now SELECT = Yes ; Any other = No
15:00:56peturJorisGoosen: done ;)
15:01:05hcsJorisGoosen: yep, it was that quick
15:01:16JorisGoosenaha, obviously.. uhh
15:01:56JorisGoosenwell, uhm what was the test?
15:02:15peturnone... and you now have write access..
15:02:26Genre9mp3hcs: I wanted to ask you. Do you have plans to continue working on the gbs codec again?
15:02:55hcsGenre9mp3: vague plans, they involve porting the gbs player from ipodlinux, but nothing imminent
15:02:56peturGenre9mp3: any news on that samsung disk?
15:03:46Genre9mp3petur: unfortunately, no answer yet from the seller :(
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15:03:56JorisGoosenwell thanks then :)
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15:07:58GodEater_ <−− anyone else think we should use this ? :)
15:08:55rasherGodEater_: does have one
15:08:57hcsjust the stylized R might be enough already has a favicon
15:09:16hcsoh, yeah, the treble clef, which is fine
15:09:19Genre9mp3it's the clef
15:09:21peturwanted to say the same, it has an icon in my bookmarklist
15:09:39rasherHe might mean the forums, which don't
15:09:45GodEater_I suspect he does then
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15:10:36webguest29for some reason my computer doesn't recognize my ipod when i plug it in anymore..i don't even see it mounted as a hard drive
15:10:40webguest29am i doing something wrong?
15:11:08GodEater_webguest29: you're not putting it into disk mode ? Or the original firmware ?
15:11:57webguest29i do i put it into disk mode?
15:12:06webguest29i'm sorry...i tried reading the manual but didn't seem to have gleaned much
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15:16:23GodEater_webguest29: have a look on Apple's site, there's a guide tehre
15:19:22webguest29 ?
15:19:30webguest29seems like its for an older generation
15:20:30GodEater_it is, but it's still the same procedure on your ipod
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15:25:53jharuim trying to run the sim on cygwin. it says that i dont have sdl-config installed correctly even though i have already installed what was written in the cygwin wiki.
15:26:44daurnimatorjharu: use thevm
15:27:04webguest29what's weird for me godeater is that last nite i was able to see it on my computer...and now i can't and no changes have really been made to it other then adding a bunch of files
15:27:38jharuvm doesnt run on my pc. low mem resources...
15:27:46daurnimatorget a better pc then
15:27:52DefineByteGo to, download SDL and put it in the same folder as the simulator
15:28:58pixelmajharu: "Note: if you build the simulator on cygwin and want to be able to start it by clicking, you need to copy the SDL DLL from /usr/local/bin/ to \windows or similar" (from the UiSimulator page). Do you have that?
15:29:10jharunot that many people who can afford an upgrade in an instant daurinator..
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15:30:07GodEater_sdl-config is part of the build process, not the run process
15:30:14jharuok thanks pixelma. i got the basics in my head and im trying to go in intermediate unix language.:3
15:30:21GodEater_so just having the dll file in some folder won't help
15:31:00rasherjharu: if you don't have sdl-config, you haven't installed sdl as instructed.
15:31:02pixelmaok, didn't read correctly - thought it was already compiled...
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15:34:26jharuerrr... cant understand. ive double checked the cygwin devt. page on how to install but it seems that i still made a mistake... will reinstalling the sdl from cygwin setup help?
15:34:52DefineBytecan't hurt
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15:41:02jharugot it.
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15:51:54jharui just remembered my sis mp3... is there any way we can support the transcend line of players?
15:52:13n1sread the NewPort wiki page
15:52:30n1sbut in short it's a LOT of work
15:53:39jharubut it always start when someone takes the player apart right?
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15:54:50Bagdernot always, but most often yes
15:55:24Bagderthe order of the items isn't the important part
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15:57:40hcsis anyone still contemplating a DS or PSP port?
15:58:09markunjharu: more useful is to find out if there are any firmware updates available for that player
15:58:25jharu?! order of items? ah well pannin to disect that thing when i get the chance so if it will help spread the rockbox ports. maybe ill also give her a sansa.
15:58:55Bagderjharu: yes, the order of the items to do mentioned in the NewPort page
16:00:03Bagderif you're not into disassembly yourself, one of the initial things would also be to find other owners of the device that would be interested in helping out
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16:01:06jharuso.. nayone owns a transcend line of players... (just read the wiki... darn it...)
16:01:39markunjharu: are they nice?
16:02:07Bagderwell, this is usually not the best place to look for owners of devices that don't run rockbox...
16:02:27jharuwell my sis had hers for about 2 years so all i can say is that its tough.
16:03:09GodEater_...and probably out of production
16:03:40jharui just checked the site and they still do the 840
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16:05:01Bagderthere's a firmware for it...
16:06:15jharuso does the sansa ;3
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16:07:10Bagderwell, there's no rockbox port for the sansas you buy new today either
16:07:55jharumine was bougth jus a few weeks ago. (to be exact, on my bday last dec 14 )
16:08:14jharubrand new
16:08:43Bagderthen you're one of the last lucky ones
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16:09:52jharuactually there is still a lot more in stock here. so maybe ill just buy my sis back home a sansa too...
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16:11:10markunBagder: is the firmware encrypted?
16:11:48Bagderchecking now
16:12:13Bagder.exe ...
16:13:51Bagder"This firmware update program only supports Win2000 and WinXP."
16:18:17Bagderso I won't bother further, I don't have wine installed
16:20:39jharuand tyhat fw is for?...
16:22:40jharugodeater, am i seeing double there? @ godeaters...
16:22:50jharu2 godeaters
16:22:58GodEater_no - one is my home PC, one is my work PC
16:23:30jharuand you are using both at the same time?
16:24:04GodEater_obvisouly not
16:24:09GodEater_they're miles apart
16:24:24kugelwhich is your work name?
16:24:33kugelWhy not just GodEater|w?
16:24:45GodEater_because I don't care to seperate them
16:24:48GodEater_it's still me
16:25:49*scorche|w likes to separate them
16:29:33jharubut is it possible to istall rockbox on trancend mp3s with just the bare system? (the mp3 player, photo viewer and wps)
16:29:44jharuusing the source
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16:41:18peturBagder: looks like a nice target however. it has fmradio and line-in. and looking at the upgrade procedure it looks like it has some kind of factory bootmode. I'm uploading the extracted files now, will post url when done
16:43:39peturBagder: petur/">
16:52:27peturlooks like it's not encrypted
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17:26:38rvvs89_Bagder: The sansa e250 isn't one of those new sansas without a rockbox port is it?
17:28:05scorche|wrvvs89_: v1 works, v2 doesnt
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17:30:12rvvs89_v2 eh? Any conspicuous differences between them?
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17:34:04desowinrvvs89_: seems to be down
17:35:46rvvs89_Ah, nice
17:36:13DefineByteworks here
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17:50:40advcomp2019the forums seem to still work but anything seems to be not working.. someone on the anythingbutipod is having the same issue
17:51:46LloreanI'm having no problem with the main site
17:53:20advcomp2019my pings are getting timed out too :S
17:53:50markunadvcomp2019: where do you live?
17:53:52petursome internet routing problem I'd guess
17:54:05advcomp2019i am in iowa
17:54:12markunadvcomp2019: which ISP?
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17:54:39advcomp2019i call it shitlines but it is really called longlines
17:55:09markunwe had someone with verizon with the same problem, so it's not ISP specific.
17:56:15DefineByteNo problems from the UK.
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18:43:41webguest92I have a problem with the rockbox mpeg player.
18:44:05#>>"explain movies" by petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur)
18:45:11Genre9mp3great petur... we now all know! :P
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18:46:36webguest92That doesn't much help.
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18:46:50webguest92See, the video plays fine, but the audio is sped up.
18:47:35webguest92The file plays fine on my computer, but on my c250 its screwed up.
18:47:39rasherwebguest92: Have you tried with the Elephants dream video?
18:47:54webguest92They don't have the size for the c250.
18:48:10rasherSomeone should fix that
18:49:10webguest92So has this happened before?
18:49:35preglowgod, how i hate "explain" ...
18:49:38Genre9mp3webguest92: Do you use the latest build?
18:49:49webguest92As far as I know.
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18:52:25markunwebguest92: in what way is the audio sped up? Is the pitch also higher?
18:53:40Lloreanwebguest92: What sample rate is the audio?
18:54:13webguest92Sorry, I was away.
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18:54:26webguest92markun: it's like chipmunks.
18:54:28Lloreanrasher: I'm thinking about reencoding Elephant's dream from the HD source using the new WinFF presets I'm coming up with. Then it can better test/show playback performance at the very same settings we're recommending to users.
18:54:42webguest92Llorean: I have no idea.
18:54:49markunwebguest92: the audio needs to be sampled at 44.1kHz
18:54:51Lloreanwebguest92: You converted it yourself, didn't you?
18:55:07webguest92I used some flv to mpeg converter.
18:55:45LloreanWell, you need to make sure the sample rate is set right, as per the PluginMpegplayer wiki page
18:55:51LloreanI think many flv videos use 22050 instead.
18:56:44markunpreglow: why do you hate "explain" so much?
18:57:11Lloreanmarkun: The fact that it uses notices instead of just saying it in the channel
18:57:22roxfanchannel notices even
18:57:32roxfanprivate notice would be fine...
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18:59:28preglowmarkun: i just seriously dislike bots being involved in support...
19:00:06webguest92It has bitrate options.
19:00:11webguest92That's it.
19:00:17webguest92No sampling or anything.
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19:00:31markunwebguest92: then you need to use a different tool
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19:00:53webguest92Well, what's a good, free flv to mpeg converter?
19:00:56KyleXSUp guys?
19:01:04KyleXAlmost a year since I came here :)
19:01:05markunwinff I think
19:01:14preglowthey're very inflexible to boot, and really just irc based faqs
19:01:55KyleXHaha, markun! I remembet talking to you last year :P
19:01:56markunwhat's bad about an irc based faq?
19:02:15markunKyleX: I don't really remember.. :( what did we talk about?
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19:02:33Lloreanwebguest92: Just see the PluginMpegplayer wiki page
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19:03:07KyleXNothing specific, but I remember you had to leave the project for a while arround new year
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19:03:14KyleXWhen video started working
19:03:33markunyes, I went to Paris
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19:03:42markunI see us talking in the logs :)
19:03:49KyleXHehe :D
19:04:11KyleXDamn, doesn't feel like a year
19:04:25KyleXI'm in college now :O
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19:05:02LloreanKyleX: Please, keep the social chatter to -community, this channel is for on-topic discussion.
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19:05:16KyleXOk, my bad
19:05:31markunyou see, a lot has changed in a year :)
19:05:54KyleXYep, I love the chopper game :D
19:06:26KyleXAre there any plans to support accessories for the iPod in the future?
19:06:35LloreanWe still don't make plans
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19:06:46markunno plans, but it would be a welcome addition I think
19:07:03KyleXmmkay, any word if anyone is looking into it?
19:07:10markunKyleX: interested in working on it?
19:07:11LloreanNot as far as I know.
19:08:04KyleXI would be interested, I've changed my main language from vb6 to .net now
19:08:16LloreanRockbox is still C.
19:08:19KyleXAnd is similar to C#, right?
19:08:32LloreanNot C#. C.
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19:09:14markunKyleX: but it doesn't really matter because neither can be used for rockbox programming
19:10:03KyleXOh damn
19:10:19KyleXI had no idea C was different from C# haha
19:10:38KyleXI feel dumb :|
19:13:05KyleXWhat would I google for to find some good C examples?
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19:15:50markunKyleX: here maybe
19:16:58KyleXThis looks pretty good....
19:17:16desowinsource code looks good too ;)
19:21:55KyleXThis is an awesoem example
19:22:44KyleXAwesome way of explaining the structure of a program
19:25:08desowinthat code formatting is pain imo
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19:25:55KyleXYou mean without indents and propper spacing?
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19:27:22desowinnot to say that it's not quite good code
19:31:08desowin - it would be better if base your knowledge on this ;)
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19:35:55KyleXLooks awesome :)
19:36:05KyleXBe back later, going back to mums
19:36:07KyleXC ya all!
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19:59:16Lars_GI have a small but maddening bug, and before reporting I want to know if it's knows.
20:00:16Lars_Gwhen I am listening to something, and unplug the earphones (automatic pause) and the player goes to sleep out of inactivity, when I turn it on again and plug my earphones it starts at the begining of the file I was listening to instead of at the right place I left it, and sometimes it then jumps at once to the end of the file and removes it from the playlist
20:00:37Lars_Gthis doesn't happens if I explicitly turn the player off, in that case correct position is preserved
20:00:53Lars_Gany tips or checklists before posting a fly?
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21:05:06ThaigerAfter I converted from regular firmware to RockBox many of my songs are listed as untagged. This wasn't a problem in the regular firmware as I believe the itunes DB stored info that allowed naming based on the original filename not the new garbled one. Does anyone have or know of a script that would retag untagged files based on itunesDB info? Just thought I'd ask before I get writing
21:06:24krazykitThaiger, google suggests that ephpod can do that under it's "ipod utils" something or orther.
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21:46:12arken0493Hey guys. Where do I find the guides to installing rockbox on a first gen iPod nano?
21:46:49desowinin manual
21:46:58arken0493Thank you.
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21:52:57Bagder"This is a Linux kernel driver for the NXP PCF50606 power management"
21:53:13Bagderrecent patch on the linux-arm-kernel list ;-)
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22:03:10preglowBagder: why, is there anything regarding that chip we don't know?
22:03:47Bagdernah, it just happens to be in the neo1973 phone so the openmoko guys have written this driver for linux
22:10:51preglownice anyway
22:11:04preglowthough i really know nothing about linux driver arch :>
22:11:21Bagderit's quite complex compared to rockbox
22:12:17preglowi can imagine
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22:23:54DefineBytesooo, contractions in manuals... :D
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22:33:18DefineByteOkay. Anyone want to commit FS #8340 then. :)
22:33:58rayjanyone know if ipod's usb/power cable is the same as sansa's e200 series cable?
22:34:11Bagderrayj: I doubt that very much
22:34:40rayjyeah im kinda thinking the same but they look so close
22:35:28scorche|wi hear they will fit, but they need a little trimming...i will find out in a bit here when i order some ipod connectors
22:36:45rayjthats what im looking at was at a store they had a kit & its a pretty good deal like $9.00USD
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22:38:12scorche|wi prefer to make my own :)
22:38:37advcomp2019rayj, they will not work since they are different pin layout
22:39:02rayjyeah thats what i was afraid of thanks all
22:40:03scorche|w...hence why i want to make my own :)
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22:54:44webguest85Hi. I noticed that the radio was working on the h10! Kudos to the developer, but how do change the look of the radio screen?
22:57:56pixelma(1) be patient (2) currently you can't change the look of the radio screen
22:59:07webguest85Thats too bad. when can you?
22:59:55LloreanWhen someone like you, who wants to, writes a patch to allow it
23:00:33webguest85and that means...?
23:00:50DefineBytecode it yourself, I think.
23:01:07DefineBytestandard OS response. :D
23:01:11LloreanIt means "it's not going to happen ever, unless someone does the work, and all work is done by volunteers"
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23:02:02webguest85Thats too bad. I guess i will keep using the OF for the radio.
23:02:23Bagderdue to the *look* of the radio screen?
23:02:33damageboyHi, Before I start installing RockBox on an iPod 5G I wanted to make sure thta the latest release r15956 should work with my iPod
23:02:45DefineByteDoes the look of it really matter that much? Aren't you supposed to /listen/ to radio?
23:04:13webguest85yes to badger
23:04:15krazykitdamageboy, keep in mind that isn't a "release". it's the most current build
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23:08:42webguest85I take this and show my friends. They wont use it if its crappy
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23:09:18Bagderso from having a bad-looking screen it is now crappy?
23:09:35t00nanicktastique: so is there a rockbox Doom yet?
23:09:52nicktastiquet00na, of course :)
23:09:59nicktastiqueFreeDoom <3
23:10:17damageboy@krazykit: I understand... It still should work... right?
23:10:30damageboyI mean should refrain from using it?
23:10:34krazykitdamageboy, it should work.
23:10:37t00nanicktastique: have ou played it before?
23:11:02damageboy@krazykit: OK... I'm really interested in letting it use my WMA collection...
23:11:12damageboyHope it will be stable enough for that...
23:12:43DefineByteAs long as there's no DRM.
23:12:45krazykitdamageboy, well, as long as they aren't DRM-encumbered WMA files, they ought to work.
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23:14:52damageboyCan soneone help me troubleshoot the install..?
23:15:03damageboyI'm trying to use the rbutil 1.0.2
23:15:14damageboyThe Ipod is in
23:15:22damageboy"Do not disconnet" mode
23:15:38damageboy"Install the bootloader" in the util fails...
23:15:53damageboySays "no IPods found"
23:15:59damageboyMy ipod is alive and well in d:\
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23:16:38DefineByteDid it detect your Ipod in the configuration screen?
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23:17:40damageboyAutodetect didn't work...
23:18:02damageboyNaturally the rest of the installation (the downloading and unzipping) works.... but it's useless without the bootloader...
23:18:14krazykitdamageboy, are you positive you have a 5th gen ipod and not the classic?
23:18:24damageboyshould I kill iTunes? iTunes Helper?
23:18:50Soapwhat material is your iPod's face made out of, damageboy?
23:19:13MadFishquestion, will rockbox work on this player:
23:19:19krazykitMadFish, no, it won't
23:19:33MadFishk thx
23:19:36BagderMadFish: rockbox doesn't work on random players, it works only on those listed
23:19:48krazykitMadFish, the only players rockbox supports are on
23:20:46damageboyyeap I'm pretty sure... itunes seems to think it's 5G...
23:20:54damageboyIt's just offered me to upgrade the firmware to 1.2.3
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23:21:15Soapface plate material, damageboy?
23:22:09damageboyglass, underneath some sort of plastic...
23:22:22damageboyAbout screen says: MA002LL
23:22:29damageboy27.8 GB
23:22:39damageboyRight now it's version 1.2.2
23:23:09damageboyFormatted to Windows
23:23:24Soapthat's a 5th gen. Do you have the check box selected in iTunes to enable disk mode?
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23:23:45damageboyIt's accessible as Drive D:
23:24:12damageboyI've even installed Rockbox and saw that it unzipped all of the files in the .rockbox directory...
23:24:21Soapok, so autodetect doesn't work - use manual detection
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23:25:55damageboyI did use the maual...
23:26:18damageboybut it will not install the Bootloader...
23:26:25damageboySays no Ipod found...
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23:26:35damageboyWhere is the checkbox for Disk Mode?
23:27:21DefineByteAre you running as admin (I don't know if it matters for detection)?
23:27:37damageboyI'm an anmin in windows vista with UAC turned of...
23:27:49damageboydoes it matter if itunes is running?
23:28:08damageboyAnd where do I verify that I have Disk Mode? Or is having the IPOD as D:\ sufficient?
23:28:28damageboyAlso.. should I upgrade to 1.2.3?
23:28:50Soap1 - Vista is an unknown to me.
23:29:01DefineByteThe firmware on the Ipod doesn't matter
23:29:04Soap2 - The iPod @ D:\ = disk mode - no more needed
23:29:06damageboyok... I can do Window XP on my laptop...
23:29:13Soap3 - 1.2.2 / 1.2.3 = doesn't matter
23:29:27Soap4 - Might as well kill itunes - it isn't helping.
23:29:45DefineByteWould be interesting to know if it is Vista causing the problem.
23:29:56DefineByte\If it's not Itunes
23:32:14damageboyok... for some reason... when I plug it in XP...
23:32:22damageboy1. Autodetect works in rbutil...
23:32:50damageboy2. It's telling me that the bootloader is already installed (up to date) Do really want to proceed...
23:32:54damageboyWhat should I answer?
23:33:17Soapno hard doing it again
23:34:23damageboyok... It's telling me unsopported install method...
23:34:44damageboyAnd it seems stuck there (Giving me an OK buttin)
23:35:05damageboyDo you want me to completely restore the iPod to virgin state?
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23:41:35krazykitdamageboy, why don't you just do a manual install
23:41:57damageboyShould I try and re-virginize the ipod
23:42:22krazykitdon't bother just yet. use ipodpatcher first.
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23:50:28sandsmarkahem... My rockbox (or more precisely, mpegplayer) has gone for the night, and it doesn't react to key input
23:50:44scorche|wwhat device?
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23:50:57sandsmarksansa e280
23:51:05sandsmarkah, now it gave up
23:51:10sandsmarkI got back to the menu
23:51:10scorche|whold the power button for around 15 seconds
23:51:19sandsmarki'll do that the next time
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23:55:31sandsmarkthis is actually pretty impressive
23:55:44sandsmarkeven though it doesn't look like it drops enough to keep in sync

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