#rockbox 2007-12-21

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#rockbox log for 2007-12-21

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00:21:16	DefineByte	I can't remember whether I've already asked today (no-one mention the log) so: Anyone want to commit FS #8340? I don't think anyone's objected to it. :)
00:26:40	preglow	hmm
00:26:49	preglow	i'd rather we agree on some rules before i commit it, really
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00:27:19	DefineByte	I'm not sure a consensus can be reached
00:28:03	preglow	so there's no reason why i shouldn't just accept another patch that comes in reintroducing contractions?
00:28:42	DefineByte	I can't stop you.
00:28:55	DefineByte	Really though, we're talking about a manual here.
00:29:07	preglow	well, i'd rather we try to agree on what kind of style the language in the manual is to have, so we know where we're headed, and can tell if a patch is bad or not
00:29:19	preglow	we already have some stuff like this in the wiki, afaik
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00:32:36	preglow	yeah
00:32:37	preglow	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LatexGuidelines
00:32:48	preglow	and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LatexGuidelinesTalk
00:36:52	preglow	i kind of agree with what you're doing in the patch, but i'd like to talk it over with other manual people first
00:37:06	DefineByte	That's fair enough
00:37:18	DefineByte	I don't think it's talked about in the wiki
00:38:07	n1s	those wikipages are seriously outdated...
00:38:26	DefineByte	needs a trim?
00:38:26	preglow	n1s: the first one still applies, the second one could need some rincing, since the discussed stuff is already made into guidelinews
00:38:32	n1s	btw I don't have an opinion in the matter
00:38:39	Soap	A Mission Statement is long overdue for the manual, IMHO.
00:38:46	preglow	myeah, i guess
00:38:55	stripwax	anyone fancy committing either #7218 or #8226?
00:39:41	kugel	May it be, that it's not possible to make a keycombo with PLA? I.e. PLA_FIRE\|PLA_UP
00:39:50	preglow	stripwax: did jhMikeS have any comments on the cop handling in the latter?
00:40:17	stripwax	preglow only the comments that he already put in the tracker..
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00:40:37	n1s	kugel: I think JdGordon is the only one who really knows how that stuff works...
00:40:46	stripwax	which (apart from trying to set up a separate linker section) I have implemented
00:40:57	kugel	n1s: thanks for the info
00:42:12	kugel	JdGordon: Are you there?
00:42:22	preglow	does pacbox have a manual entry?
00:42:27	stripwax	yes
00:42:59	stripwax	http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch9.html#x12-1450009.1.9
00:43:02	preglow	updating that would be appreciated, i guess, the fact that pacbox would work differently from target to target will need explaining
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00:43:25	preglow	i'm not too big a fan of differing behaviour from target to target anyway
00:43:27	stripwax	work differently how?
00:43:38	preglow	well, doesn't it have any audio menu on cop targets?
00:43:39	stripwax	currently it disables audio on all targets except Gigabeat
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00:44:13	stripwax	The manual entry for pacbox currently doesn't document what items are even on the main menu ..
00:44:26	DefineByte	I have to admit I've never looked at pacbox before.
00:44:40	stripwax	(^ currently = "now" rather than "if you use my patch")
00:44:41	preglow	plugins do suffer a lot in the manual
00:44:55	DefineByte	Quite a few of the plugin entries look like they need some attention
00:45:14	preglow	and i don't know how much of a fan i am of plugins messing around with the cop anyway
00:45:29	preglow	if we do that too much, we'll have weird results everytime we do kernel changes related to it
00:45:45	stripwax	weird results?
00:46:09	preglow	like laggy performance if we put stuff on cop
00:46:31	preglow	anyway, i have no clue as to how dual core stuff works, so i'll leave that one alone
00:46:44	stripwax	laggy performance with what? pacbox is exclusive, apart from codec, which is on cpu
00:46:57	stripwax	if codec moves to cop, then pacbox can move to cpu.
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00:47:23	stripwax	linuxstb - would you fancy committing this on my behalf?
00:47:25	n1s	all plugins in the manual suffer from not having a good system for buttonmaps so each has to be updated for each new target... I was working on it once but when it seemed like more plugins would be converted to plugin actions I put it off and noone has decided since if we should go plugin actions or not...
00:47:26	preglow	and what if we move codec to cop and keep dsp on cpu?
00:48:08	preglow	not that i see a big point in doing that...
00:48:08	stripwax	preglow - is that planned?
00:48:23	preglow	anyway, i'm not commiting it since i can't test or review it properly
00:48:43	DefineByte	Are plugin actions mentioned in the wiki? Not heard of them before.
00:48:47	preglow	i also should be sleeping...
00:48:59	stripwax	if we do do something like that then it would make sense to test something like pacbox .. but a future idea like that probably shouldn't hold back current development
00:49:06	preglow	DefineByte: button actions, a way to map actions to buttons, the way we do it in the core
00:49:10	*	stripwax sighs
00:49:45	preglow	stripwax: yeah, i know, just saying that if cop use among plugins takes off, it'll be a major bother to test
00:50:09	stripwax	happy to do all of the testing myself
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01:00:32	DefineByte	which manual peeps should I be looking to for opinions on the patch?
01:01:04	DefineByte	\don't worry, I don't plan on bugging them all the time z)\
01:01:14	DefineByte	*x)
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02:20:19	supefm	anyone know why my sansa e260 only responds when I hold down the REC button?
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02:24:19	JdGordon	lucky 8-ball says "more information"
02:24:45	supefm	ok i guess ill give the long story
02:24:50	supefm	uhh
02:25:03	supefm	my rockbox froze so I held power down for 15 seconsd
02:25:23	supefm	i powered it on again and only the blue wheel gave a backlight
02:25:54	supefm	i pressed some random buttons and rec got me to the bootloader screen
02:26:01	supefm	but then it stopped
02:26:14	supefm	so i pressed rec again and it started up into rockbox but in the original theme
02:26:30	supefm	i could scroll the wheel around and move up and down the menu
02:26:37	supefm	but when i pressed something it froze
02:26:48	supefm	and when i pressed rec it continued into the next screen
02:27:17	supefm	i could see the navigate and see all my files but i just had to press rec to get it going
02:27:31	krazykit	supefm, boot into the original firmware and unzip the latest build
02:27:38	supefm	no good
02:27:40	supefm	i already tried that
02:27:48	supefm	i held down left and pressed rec
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02:27:56	supefm	it booted up but it gave a "refresh database fail" on startup
02:28:09	supefm	and when i connected to computer it said "connected" but it didn't appear in my computer
02:28:24	krazykit	have you tried recovering the original firmware?
02:28:43	supefm	i think i did something like that
02:28:46	supefm	i started up in recovery mode
02:29:01	supefm	downloaded an original firmware
02:29:09	supefm	installed it and then unplugged usb
02:29:26	supefm	but then it froze again and it only gave the "formatting..." text when i pressed rec
02:29:26	krazykit	would you mind just putting your thought on one line rather than several?
02:29:58	krazykit	supefm, what was the extension of the file you put on the recovery partition? .mi4?
02:30:16	supefm	i followed these instructions: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=63940&postcount=6
02:31:41	krazykit	try following the ones on the SansaE200Unbrick wiki page, the "recovery mode". i have to run now.
02:32:00	supefm	did those ones and didn't nothing happened anyway
02:32:08	supefm	err did those ones and nothing happened
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03:04:30	countrymonkey	How do I create topics in the wiki?
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03:10:47	countrymonkey	and How do I get my pdf manuals to split up into different chapters? I need to print the plugins section and nothing else.
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03:55:04	iwantanimac	I've had a potentially good idea for making the H10 (And probably many other models) work more fluidly with their OF. Would it not be possible to keep a small piece of code in RAM when we use the OF, which checks for the OFs "Sleep" sequence and forces a full shutdown?
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03:56:22	iwantanimac	hi, Llorean. I just asked a question you might be able to help me with, should i repeat it?
03:57:22	Soap	so you're asking for a binary patch of the original firmware.
03:57:46	iwantanimac	not really, just sort of integrate something with ROLO to patch the RAM.
03:57:57	Soap	you're not going to accomplish running a TSR ontop of their OS/Firmware.
03:58:07	Soap	I don't think.
03:58:24	iwantanimac	well could we not try?
03:58:53	Soap	can you?
03:59:03	Llorean	It'd be easier to just hack the OF and replace the sleep with a full shutdown, I'd imagine.
03:59:09	iwantanimac	that's true.
03:59:27	Llorean	But Rockbox attempts to act wholly independently of the OF>
03:59:47	iwantanimac	exactly, so could we not have something resident then?
03:59:48	Llorean	It's a replacement, and a goal is to touch the OF as little as physically possible, and leave the OF functioning as it originally did.
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03:59:59	Llorean	Having something resident is an entirely different concept.
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04:00:48	iwantanimac	ok, explain...
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04:01:19	Llorean	What's to explain. Having something resident monitoring it means that you have to have code running in parallel
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04:01:44	iwantanimac	right, can that be achieved?
04:01:44	Llorean	Hacking the OF just means that you're changing where it branches to when it goes to shutdown. Possibly as little as replacing a single function with one of your own.
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04:02:01	Llorean	"Can" is very different from "Would a reasonably sane person attempt this"
04:02:04	iwantanimac	so you're saying that's too complex to even bother...
04:02:11	iwantanimac	ok. gotcha. :)
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04:02:44	iwantanimac	seemed like a good idea 10 minutes ago. :)
04:02:46	Soap	not much different than cracking a copy protection.
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04:03:44	iwantanimac	so we would be better off hacking the OF to do what we want rather than going the roundabout way.
04:04:02	Soap	except I'm not sure how you'd run the OF step-by-step through a debugger like you would a Windows program...
04:04:34	iwantanimac	yeah that's a problem.
04:04:53	iwantanimac	then i guess you kinda need an emulator, which needs to be coded anyway...
04:05:17	iwantanimac	and you're stuck in an endless look of pointless code.'
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04:14:13	Llorean	As I said, Rockbox doesn't like to modify the OF
04:14:17	Llorean	So there's not much "we" about it.
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04:51:33	BartSpainhour	greetings from Winston-Salem NC USA. new user on Sansa.
04:52:51	BartSpainhour	looking to share my FM presets and future customizations. can someone grant wiki write permissions? thanks.
04:53:46	krazykit	is your nick also your wikiname?
04:54:16	BartSpainhour	yes.
04:55:59	krazykit	all set!
04:56:07	BartSpainhour	great −−- thanks!
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04:57:07	psycho_maniac	your welcome
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05:49:09	[omni]	my e280 seems to be frozen under rockbox after my last music upload. I'm getting that "no codec for:" everytime i boot into rockbox. I've replaced the file it's freezing on (as well as everything in that playlist) and i've updated to the latest build
05:49:53	[omni]	is there anyway i can delete the current playlist and see if that fixes things? I see a file called "Go List.plp" in /PLAYLISTS
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09:06:24	_sas	Hi everyone. What is the cheapest 4gb player supporting Rockbox?
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09:08:27	Mouser_X	Maybe a Sansa e260?
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09:08:48	GodEater_	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=BuyersGuide
09:08:49	*	Mouser_X is only guessing, due to not knowing pricing info.
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09:50:10	j-haru	OogaBooga everyone esp llorean, bagder, godeater, markun linusn petur and kugel!!!
09:52:00	petur	j-haru: I'm sure all the people you mentioned will appreciate getting triggered for nothing (most have highlight for their nick active)
09:53:39	j-haru	TT_TT
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10:21:31	j-haru	markun: yeah i did yesterday. now im havin trouble connectin my sansa to my pc. in the device manager it has a big ? icon.
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10:23:34	j-haru	nevermind, fixed by switchin to other usb port
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10:31:16	jmspeex	preglow: want to do contracting work? -> http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/speex-dev/2007-December/006386.html
10:31:55	j-haru	markun, a question, when i switch from rbx to of the sansa does it really have to go into that white screenline mode?
10:31:56	markun	jmspeex: congratulations with the baby btw!
10:32:17	markun	j-haru: I don't know anything about the sansa
10:34:40	j-haru	...then godeater: you know that white screenlines whenever i switch from rbx to of? is it a natural occurence?
10:35:20	jmspeex	markun: thanks
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10:40:02	xushi_	Hi all!
10:40:18	xushi_	i've just stumbled upon rockbox! reading about it and really considering it
10:40:43	xushi_	i just have a few questions regarding ipod video.. does rockbox support playing Xvid encoded avi's wihtout converting them to the ipod format ?
10:42:09	GodEater_	no
10:42:31	xushi_	:'( well, i guess the other advantages should be worth it
10:42:35	xushi_	thanks for the advice
10:44:08	petur	xushi_: read the manual and the mpegplayer wiki page
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10:46:18	j-haru	again, is it a natural occurence for the sansa that whenever i switch from rbx to of there are white screenlines?
10:46:56	petur	echo echo ech..
10:47:45	j-haru	.....
10:48:10	RyoS	j-haru: this is a prevention feature that is thought to keep you away from the OF :P
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10:50:23	j-haru	it also occurs whenever i charge my sansa. it startsup and the whitelines also show
10:50:48	j-haru	so its not a default keep away featuere.
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11:44:23	Light-	Hello, I was wondering if there was any way of getting .ogg files to play on my 4gb 3rd gen ipod nano that I bought today. I understand that rockbox only works on 1st gen ipod nanos, but maybe a nightly build?
11:44:39	petur	no way
11:45:16	petur	take it back to the store and buy something better
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11:46:08	Light-	lol, they will only give me money back if its defective
11:46:16	Light-	which it isnt
11:47:21	GodEater_	really ?
11:47:22	Light-	oh well, thanks for clearing that up anyway
11:47:26	GodEater_	you can't take it back and go "it sucks"
11:47:27	GodEater_	?
11:47:31	markun	not playing ogg sounds like a defect ;)
11:48:30	j-haru	not many files ends in ogg though...
11:48:34	Light-	GodEater: I dont know. But its the only Ipod I saw on sale aside from the shuffles. So I cant really downgrade to a version supported by rockbox
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11:48:59	Light-	j-haru: just my entire music collection
11:49:09	markun	and mine
11:49:24	preglow	jmspeex: perhaps, don't really know what he wants done, though...
11:49:45	preglow	why would someone add a header to a raw speex file if you want to play it in windows??
11:50:04	GodEater_	Light-: so why buy an ipod at all ? Why not buy a sansa ?
11:50:07	j-haru	ok... i usually use mp3s and never really know ogg except for one of my movie filee i think...
11:50:12	Light-	wtf is a sansa?
11:50:22	markun	Light-: a player by sandisk
11:50:28	j-haru	its an mp4 player
11:50:34	Light-	I see...
11:50:45	Light-	Wel, i like my ipod, aside from the fact that it cant play oggs
11:50:47	j-haru	way better than ipod imo
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11:51:35	GodEater_	so it won't play any of your music, but you like it ?
11:51:40	GodEater_	as what, a paperweight ?
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11:52:29	j-haru	well they say you are "in" if you own an ipod...
11:52:38	Light-	it looks nice, and it plays mp4 videos
11:53:12	preglow	jmspeex: and congratulations with the baby! hope you'll have enough sleep the next few years :)
11:53:13	petur	two features not required for an audio player
11:53:30	Light-	yeah, I guess you're right
11:54:03	j-haru	sansa plays more than that using rockbox...
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11:58:04	markun	petur: doom isn't required either, still there are people who install rockbox just for that reason
11:58:20	GodEater_	freaks and weirdos :)
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12:05:24	j-haru	is there a chance that rockboy support .gba files in the future? or does it need some hardware mod?
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12:08:05	markun	j-haru: I think for gba support you would need a different emulator, not just modify rockboy
12:09:26	j-haru	ehh... but can it be incorporated in rockbox and can hardware support it?
12:09:47	j-haru	gba emulator i mean
12:10:09	markun	I think so, but maybe the games will not play realtime
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12:10:15	markun	http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24520
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12:11:28	jmspeex	preglow: I think he wants to turn a raw file (similar to what you did for the voice ui) he records into an Ogg files.
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12:11:40	j-haru	it says ipod... hope it also has a patch fore sansa.
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12:12:05	jmspeex	preglow: it's been 5 days and we're (for now) no longer sleep-deprived. It's nice to have a good sleeper
12:13:41	GodEater_	j-haru: why would there be a patch for a sansa? It's for the ipodlinux project.
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12:14:00	j-haru	congratulation jmdpeex. hope yours isnt as hyper as my niece is right now... :3
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12:15:20	j-haru	godeater: i asked that coz rockbox plays gb gbc files and i thougth that maybe rockbox can support gba files in the future not just in ipod
12:15:46	j-haru	since it also has that arm thing.
12:15:50	GodEater_	yes, but the patch you're commenting on is for an entirely different project
12:21:22	j-haru	so does that mean there will be no support for the gba files in rbx?
12:21:43	GodEater_	no - it just means no-one has done it
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12:23:43	preglow	jmspeex: well, that doesn't sound too hard
12:23:51	jonashn	Just set up a cygwin build env. but i'm getting two errors when compiling for ipodvideo: 'LANG_ALARM_MOD_TIME_TO_GO' undeclared and 3 other similar errors.
12:23:56	preglow	read a bit on the ogg format the other day, it's strangely simple
12:24:08	jonashn	any idea?
12:24:28	GodEater_	jonashn: this is with a fresh svn co ?
12:24:52	jonashn	yes, just checked out
12:25:21	j-haru	did you follow the exact procedure on dloading cygwin?
12:25:53	GodEater_	j-haru: it's nothing to do with his cygwin install
12:26:25	jonashn	i've used cygwin before to compile rockbox, but just made a clean install on my new pc.
12:28:37	GodEater_	jonashn: I'm only just re-updating my build environment here - so I probably can't help much at the moment
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12:29:21	jonashn	that's ok.
12:29:42	jonashn	i think it nearly sounds as a brokes source by some reason...
12:31:28	GodEater_	do you have any patches applied ?
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12:36:55	jonashn	none.
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12:39:23	GodEater_	well there's no reds in the build table
12:39:38	GodEater_	so the source is ok
12:40:02	j-haru	maybe his got corrupted upon transfer?
12:40:49	jonashn	cant imagine, i'm running on a 2Mbit conn., and i've never had problems..
12:41:04	jmspeex	preglow: Feel free to respond to the email then (I've neither time nor interest for that job)
12:41:07	GodEater_	no
12:41:24	GodEater_	svn is more careful about it's checkouts than that
12:41:25	GodEater_	either a checkout works or it doesn't
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12:42:54	pondlife	jonashn: Does "svn diff" display anything..?
12:43:36	jonashn	pondlife->no, nothing.
12:44:10	pondlife	Hmm, tried rerunning configure, then make clean before make?
12:46:33	jonashn	trying right now... btw: is it correct to specify 32 MB ram for a 30GB Ipod 5G video?
12:47:16	pondlife	Yes, I think so
12:47:28	pondlife	64MB for 60/80GB
12:47:44	GodEater_	correct
12:47:51	jonashn	fine:)
12:48:26	pondlife	jonashn: Sounds like your lang.h didn't rebuild...
12:49:03	j-haru	godeater: i cancelled insal of cygwin when it hanged in tetex extra but i proceeded to dload the ones from rockbox. will it still work?
12:49:15	GodEater_	I've no idea, I don't use cygwin
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12:50:07	jonashn	rebuild? but doesn't it build when i run a clean build as i did in the beginning?
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12:50:58	jonashn	btw: My windows search can't find the string "LANG_ALARM_MOD_DISABLE" in any other files that the one giving the error.
12:51:00	GodEater_	jonashn: it's always a good idea to run "make clean" before doing a new build
12:51:06	GodEater_	esp. if you get errors like you're getting
12:51:07	j-haru	looks like it doesnt... had to do it all over again...
12:51:42	jonashn	thanks for the advice godeater. now the clean build is finished, giving the exact same errors.
12:51:52	GodEater_	hahaha
12:51:57	GodEater_	so much for the advice then =/
12:53:23	jonashn	:D
12:54:22	jonashn	i just checked lang.h. The only alarm enum item defined there is LANG_ALARM_MOD_KEYS, /* 167 */
12:55:31	jonashn	j-haru - maybe try to run the cygwin installer again and choose another mirror to install tetex-extra, and only install tetex-extra.
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12:59:28	pondlife	jonashn: Check english.lang...
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13:00:00	pondlife	If it's not in there, you don't have a complete set of source. If it is, your lang.h wasn't built
13:00:10	pondlife	Maybe you need to make tools too?
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13:01:56	pondlife	FWIW I just did an iPod Video build fine here.
13:02:21	pondlife	So it's not just the build table ;)
13:03:01	jonashn	i have english.lang.
13:03:27	jonashn	the tools are all up2date.
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13:15:34	j-haru	will it be fine if i dload cygwin files by batch? it hangs whenever i dload all that is required to run.
13:15:46	j-haru	at once...
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13:18:32	Domonoky	i think you have to use the cygwin setup program, maybe choose a different mirror, or try the vmware dev enviroment, its even faster then cygwin..:-)
13:19:09	GodEater_	Domonoky: his is too sucky to run vmware
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13:19:29	Soap	j-haru: many of the users of this IRC channel are non-native English speakers or visually impaired using screen-readers. We ask that you only use real words, and spell them to the best of your ability. Please do not use random abreviations such as "dload" if at all possible.
13:19:59	DefineByte	resize primary partition and install linux?
13:20:35	Soap	Domonoky: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidmhall/sets/72157603500634856/
13:20:51	Domonoky	nice.. :-)
13:20:53	Soap	I'll label up the photos better over holiday break.
13:21:16	Soap	thank you so much for comming out.
13:21:21	petur	oh, a tower of beer too :D
13:22:21	j-haru	godeater well thats true that my home pc sucks on vmware... hope the holidays end already so i camn use my office vmware...
13:22:41	Domonoky	Soap: no problem, it was fun.. :-)
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13:28:37	preglow	nice to see the h1x0 is the cornerstone :>
13:28:54	*	preglow feels the need for a beer
13:28:58	pondlife	You need a good chunky cornerstone
13:29:07	*	pondlife will be beering later...
13:29:25	Domonoky	:-)
13:29:37	*	preglow too
13:30:06	pondlife	But not until I've found a horrible RPC server threading issue :/
13:30:19	pondlife	Beer would not help right now ..
13:30:39	*	preglow also has 20 litres of his own brew lying around, but think's the wisest course is to wait
13:30:51	preglow	thinks...
13:31:30	pondlife	Doin't wait too long; if you see it turning greenish then drink it all asap.
13:31:41	Soap	Domonoky: do you have any objections to my labeling of photos with (real) names? Or do you wish to remain incognito?
13:31:43	amiconn	Quite small tower of rockbox compared to the number of rockboxers ;)
13:31:58	Domonoky	Soap: no problem with labeling..
13:32:02	Soap	Don't look at me - I brought 5.
13:32:30	preglow	pondlife: oh, it looks nice and brown still :)
13:32:41	preglow	preglow brand bitter
13:32:48	pondlife	Well, maybe drink it anyway just to be safe.
13:32:56	preglow	probably will later
13:33:19	pondlife	This is OT... maybe someone should make a home brew timer plugin...
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13:33:54	preglow	that actually would rock, but i see no reason for it to be a rockbox plugin, i don't often brew while on the move :>
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13:34:12	pondlife	Just to bring it back on topic..
13:34:19	preglow	beer isn't on topic????
13:34:41	Domonoky	so we need to brew a rockbox beer :-)
13:34:46	Soap	Would it be a brew timer, or a fermentation timer?
13:34:56	preglow	both, of course!
13:35:10	pondlife	And a drinking timer :)
13:35:14	preglow	alcohol percentage calculation, hop amount calculation, the works! :P
13:35:37	pondlife	Anyone object to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6960 being committed
13:35:51	*	petur will not ask logbot to explain OT
13:35:51	pondlife	I've not looked at the code, but it's very useful and works well
13:36:21	preglow	pondlife: looks nice to me
13:36:30	preglow	haven't looked at the code, though
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14:10:38	pondlife	Slasheri: Is there a method to find out how many results are in a tagcache search? I just need to know if it's 0, 1 or >1 matches, but I don't want to have to get_next() in a loop if I can avoid it.
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14:11:48	Veronique	hello
14:11:56	Veronique	i got a question, maybe somebody can help me
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14:12:08	Domonoky	Veronique: just ask..
14:12:19	Veronique	i got a ipod nano, but im not sure what kind of gen it is
14:12:37	Veronique	the generation
14:12:57	Veronique	as i want to try rockbox
14:13:01	Slasheri	pondlife: no way to know that unless you go through that in a loop
14:13:10	pondlife	Pity
14:13:27	Slasheri	tagcache iterates the search in chunks when you call get_next
14:13:36	pondlife	OK, is there a method to reset the tagcache_get_next back to the first entry?
14:13:45	Domonoky	Veronique: maybe this helps ? http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688
14:14:04	pondlife	If so, I can do 3 get_nexts and then reset.
14:14:15	Slasheri	not a method atm, just do a new search :)
14:14:23	amiconn	Slasheri: That reminds me - did you try to fix the database-not-ready bug if there are no entries?
14:14:52	Slasheri	pondlife: there is no need to retrieve all results
14:15:00	amiconn	Also, will you fix the statistics feature to work reliably without dircache and db in ram?
14:15:13	Veronique	Damn many versions
14:15:21	Veronique	mine is with touch i think, and its 4 gb
14:15:35	pondlife	Slasheri: I know, but I want the next call to tagcache_get_next() to return the first entry( again)
14:15:44	Slasheri	amiconn: yes, i will fix that. I think that i will just change the code to do full update even without dircache, no matter how slow it is
14:15:48	amiconn	Otherwise this feature should be disabled for low-mem targets as it doesn't make sense
14:16:00	Slasheri	that should fix the issue
14:16:10	amiconn	Both issues?
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14:16:23	Slasheri	not the first one.. i still need to try that
14:16:33	Slasheri	maybe i will fix it today :)
14:16:38	Veronique	Domonoky: i dont see mine in the list...
14:17:07	Slasheri	pondlife: hmm, why? :)
14:17:28	Slasheri	seeking through the search results is not possible
14:17:33	pondlife	I'd like to only add the <Random> option to the tagtree list if there's >1 entry
14:17:34	*	amiconn always regenerates the whole database because he doesn't trust 'update now'
14:17:59	amiconn	(and 'update now' also doesn't work properly w/o dirache and db in ram iirc)
14:18:21	Slasheri	hmm, properly as it doesn't detect deleted files always?
14:18:41	Slasheri	pondlife: ah, hmm
14:18:50	amiconn	It doesn't detect deletes & renames afaik
14:18:52	pondlife	Not a biggie, just a nice-to-have
14:19:20	Slasheri	amiconn: indeed, i will fix that by forcing always the full reverse scan, with auto & manual update
14:19:22	amiconn	Never really tried - as for me there's no real difference between update and a full rebuild
14:20:12	Slasheri	then it should basically detect any changes, renames or metadata changes
14:20:52	Slasheri	amiconn: if you don't use statistics or dircache/db in ram then update isn't that useful
14:21:54	amiconn	I have no use for statistics at all. And I use dircache only on targets with >=32MB ram and slow spinup (i.e. neither on X5 nor on ipod mini, and of course not on archos :) )
14:22:05	Slasheri	pondlife: but shouldn't it be possible just allocate one extra entry to the list buffer and populate it aftewards if there is more than 2 results
14:22:37	pondlife	Maybe. I want it at the top of the list though (after <All tracks>)
14:22:59	pondlife	I could remove it if not needed afterwards, but I think I prefer to KISS
14:23:27	Veronique	mm only can find the ipod 1st gen rockbox stuff on the site
14:23:30	pondlife	Will commit anyway, it's just a very minor bit of improvement that someone can do if they find a neat way.
14:23:35	Veronique	why isnt there 2nd or 3rd gen?
14:23:47	Veronique	nono
14:23:49	Veronique	nano*
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14:23:57	amiconn	But if updating is faster than full rebuild and also reliable, it might be useful
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14:24:24	Slasheri	amiconn: hehe, then it could be just better to initialize the db :) update isn't that much faster without db in ram or/and dircache. And no any advantage of the statistics data preservation either :) In fact initialization completely cleans out the database while update leaves fixed size index entries to the master index of the deleted files
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14:25:47	pondlife	Slasheri: Does initialise just delete the existing files, then do an update?
14:25:54	Slasheri	so it's still useful to initialize db from time to time after deleting/moving/renaming a lot of files
14:26:26	Slasheri	yep, initialize deletes all db files first (except changelog of course)
14:28:02	pondlife	But is the update and initialise code then the same?
14:28:12	pondlife	(apart from the deletion)
14:30:23	Slasheri	yes
14:30:32	pondlife	Good :)
14:30:50	Slasheri	unless db files exist, those are created
14:31:12	Slasheri	and if they do exist, new data is appended and indices are re-sorted and committed
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14:34:52	amiconn	Slasheri: It looks like the zero-entries problem comes from the fact that if there are no entries, the final db files aren't created at all
14:35:11	pondlife	Mmm, special-case loveliness...
14:37:12	amiconn	Yeah. I don't think we need anything fancy, just some indication that there is no music instead of the stupid request 'database isn't ready. initialise now?'
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14:38:15	amiconn	After all, it's not very likely to have no music on a music player, but it might happen (e.g. on Ondio, the internal flash isn't that useful because of its size, and if you the try to init the db with no MMC plugged...)
14:38:45	amiconn	*thne
14:38:48	amiconn	*then
14:39:14	amiconn	That reminds me....
14:39:45	amiconn	Slasheri: Do you think that multi-volume support as discussed quite some time ago would be possible in the db?
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14:50:16	kugel	Slasheri: You wanted to take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7598
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14:51:04	defreng	hi everybody!
14:51:32	defreng	is it possible to tune the FM Radio in an X5 up to 136 Mhz ?
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14:54:06	webguest69	so my rockbox install skips a LOT when i first start up for the first time in the morning
14:54:30	webguest69	i think its cuz i have a DB of around 3000 songs? its usually ok by the time the first song is over
14:54:34	webguest69	any suggestions?
14:55:59	DefineByte	I don't know. Maybe try turning auto-update ofr the database off?
14:56:05	DefineByte	*for
14:58:05	webguest69	it was a DB i built a coupla days ago
14:58:08	webguest69	so nothing has changed
14:58:29	DefineByte	Is auto-update on?
14:59:01	webguest69	i don't think so
14:59:06	defreng	where do I find the sourcecode managing the FM Radio
14:59:10	defreng	?
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15:04:49	DefineByte	It's in /apps/recorder/ I think
15:05:01	defreng	okay, thank you :(
15:05:02	defreng	:)
15:06:16	Domonoky	apps/recorder/radioc .h ist the highlevel part... lowlevel is in firmware/drivers/tuner and maybe some thing in the target tree
15:06:58	defreng	very nice... Do you think it's possible to increase the frequency range up to 136 Mhz ?
15:07:32	Domonoky	defreng: if the hardware supports it.. take a look at the datasheet of the fm chip in your player..
15:10:05	defreng	I'll give it a try, thanks a lot :)
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15:14:36	webguest69	defreng: what is up at 136mhz?
15:15:30	defreng	these are the frequencies for flight control
15:15:43	defreng	quite interesting to listen a bit to them :)
15:16:36	webguest69	defreng: tahts cool
15:17:15	defreng	sure ;)
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15:19:20	webguest69	too bad ipods don't have built in tuner:(
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15:28:56	kugel	too bad EU sansas don't have it, while every other sansa has
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15:34:39	preglow	jmspeex: is that open_loop_nbest_pitch() encoder only then, since we don't get hit by it=
15:34:48	preglow	by the arm bug
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16:51:21	[Aura]Bloodhoun	hey
16:51:31	[Aura]Bloodhoun	anyone home?
16:53:11	hcs	We are daemons, popping up when there is something worth speaking of.
16:53:39	[Aura]Bloodhoun	anyone heard news on the creative zvm build?
16:55:52	GodEater_	there isn't one
16:56:33	[Aura]Bloodhoun	the one in progress
16:56:46	markun	[Aura]Bloodhoun: all the info is in the forum thread I think
16:57:09	[Aura]Bloodhoun	ok
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16:57:54	markun	and here is some info http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/Creative
16:58:26	[Aura]Bloodhoun	seen that already
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17:02:01	pixelma	I mean twiki style wiki word
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17:11:00	markun	pixelma: maybe CreativeLabs ?
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20:06:56	Llorean	pixelma: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13906.msg108613#msg108613 <−− Someone says MicroSDHC is working on as c200 he tested with.
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20:19:13	pixelma	Llorean: yeah, read that but thanks :)
20:21:54	*	JdGordon\|w should have 3 8gb e200's on his doorstep this arvo :D
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20:45:11	pixelma	JdGordon: all v2s? ;)
20:46:21	scorche\|w	with his luck...
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20:51:19	JdGordon\|w	pixelma: that would suck... they are refurb so most likely not
20:51:58	JdGordon\|w	kugel: you wanted something yesterday?
20:52:50	kugel	I asked if button combos are possible with PLA
20:53:19	kugel	I tried something like PLA_UP\|PLA_RIGHT and it didn't work
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20:54:21	JdGordon\|w	no, you cant do that
20:54:34	kugel	Why?
20:54:40	JdGordon\|w	they are actions, not button presses
20:55:26	Slasheri	hmm.. maybe i will rewrite that pcmbuf.c from scratch, it's so buggy mess
20:55:27	JdGordon\|w	if you want to do something when up and right are presed you have to use button_get()
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20:55:56	JdGordon\|w	Slasheri: :) can you have a look at the patch to enabled dircache on hotswap if you get a chanec?
20:56:34	Slasheri	JdGordon\|w: i have checked that, it looks quite ok but i would like to unify those used strings a bit (now those are defined multiple times)
20:56:38	Llorean	kugel: Actions are already defined in some cases as combinations of button presses.
20:57:09	kugel	So I basically need to define an action for such combos
20:57:21	Llorean	Or use buttons.
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20:58:18	kugel	Ok, thanks
20:58:25	Llorean	Actions are really only suitable for programs that are generic enough. If the program is complex, you kinda need to toss out actions and work on specific per-target mappings, it's just kinda fundamental.
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21:00:09	Slasheri	i would like to get rid of that linked list thing in pcmbuf and change it to use fixed size allocable slots. Then it could have inputs as multiple streams with software mixing
21:00:51	kugel	Slasheri: Did you read my message?
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21:01:41	Slasheri	kugel: about that multivolume dircache?
21:01:46	kugel	yea
21:01:55	Slasheri	basically it looks ok
21:01:55	kugel	You wanted to take a look at it a while ago
21:02:10	Slasheri	just a small clean-up would be nice before committing it
21:02:41	kugel	Basically dircache would be nice, since a) your last commit and b) pf initializes way faster with it
21:02:42	Slasheri	so that vol_names etc. aren't defined multiple times
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21:03:18	kugel	even on a e200 flash-based player
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21:41:11	JdGordon\|w	bah, can somone nag Bagder to allow -community in the web client?
21:41:18	merbanan	Llorean: faad should support ltp also
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21:42:16	Llorean	merbanan: That doesn't answer my question. Just because our code is based on it doesn't mean all the relevant bits are enabled or converted to fixed point or working.
21:43:07	merbanan	ok but nobody uses LTP anyway, I guess preglow should now
21:43:51	Llorean	Well, someone in our forums apparently has some that aren't working, so it'd be nice to know if I can tell him "they're not supposed to" or "they are supposed to, something's broken"
21:46:21	pixelma	JdGordon: I think someone posted an open irc client somewhen... ircatwork it was called IIRC
21:46:38	pixelma	^webclient
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21:48:11	JdGordon\|w	yeah, i was on that before, but it dropped me
21:50:02	scorche\|w	JdGordon\|w: there are tons of them around including http://home.deds.nl/~aeron/irc/ which has a bunch of open ones (many are dead)
21:50:49	JdGordon\|w	... ok.. but our client should still allow access to -community
21:51:36	Llorean	I don't know if that's strictly true. Our client is for people seeking help/information relating to Rockbox. -community is only in the vaguest sense a "rockbox" channel
21:52:04	Llorean	Not saying that I actually hold an opinion on the matter. Just saying it could be argued both ways.
21:52:23	scorche\|w	more like a social irc channel made of of many rockboxers
21:54:41	JdGordon\|w	yep, im not saying it should automatically joli the channel... but not allowing the channel is bad
21:54:49	JdGordon\|w	s/bad/annoying
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22:00:42	scorche\|w	i dont know...i see the rockbox web client as Llorean does...for seeking help/information... -community doesnt fit that description...not that i would be opposed to it being allowed
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22:06:16	jmspeex	preglow: yes, it's encode-only
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22:40:16	Synx_hm	Anyone have problems with the db having doubles of everything, ive tried re init-ing it a few times
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22:40:58	scorche\|w	Synx_hm: what operating system are you running?
22:41:24	Synx_hm	linux ubuntu, but its rockbox on my ipod and there is only one of each file, but the db has two
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22:41:58	Synx_hm	i wonder if its a playlist thing, i haven't checked (i will now) but some have m3u's in the dir for the album
22:42:37	scorche\|w	why i ask, is because many operating systems create hidden folders on the device to store things that you have put in the "recyclebin/trash/similar"...database will find these files and index them as well, creating 2 copies
22:42:47	\|NSA\|	you know how mpeg has no fast forward/rewind? when i set the mpegplayer to not skip frames, it plays in fast forward, and rockbox already supports fast forwarding/increasing pitch for audio, so i am wondering why its so hard to implement
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22:43:18	Llorean	\|NSA\|: If you think it's as simple as that, feel free to post a patch.
22:43:44	\|NSA\|	i am not saying its simple. because if it was someone would have already done it. i am wondering what i am missing
22:44:21	Llorean	Considering the fact that it's only playing about 130% realtime or so in that mode, in best case, it's barely able to fast forward very much, and keeping audio in sync afterward is non-trivial.
22:44:34	scorche\|w	\|NSA\|: someone has to do it...no one has yet...it is just like that
22:44:35	Llorean	If you wanted to go 30 minutes into a video, it'd take 20 minutes of fast forwarding.
22:45:11	scorche\|w	video and audio are quite different in terms of fast forwarding/rewinding...
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22:46:15	Llorean	And video+audio where you're in sync after the fast forward is particularly difficult. I mean it's hard enough staying in sync just while playing, apparently. :)
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22:47:16	\|NSA\|	and another question. is the ghost/trail effect the fault of rockbox or my crappy mp3 player?
22:47:50	\|NSA\|	in the 130% speed its not as noticeable as in normal speed
22:48:13	Llorean	I assume you just mean ghosting within the LCD, which is the fault of the LCD.
22:48:14	\|NSA\|	i would expect the opposite if it was the crappy response time of the screen
22:48:22	\|NSA\|	yeah
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22:49:04	Synx_hm	Nope, doubles even when there isn't a .m3u in the dir
22:49:33	Llorean	Synx_hm: Add both songs into a playlist, then look at the playlist and see if the entries point to the same file
22:49:59	Synx_hm	wilco standby 1
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22:51:13	Synx_hm	Llorean: how do i see what file the playlist points to
22:51:30	Llorean	Use the playlist viewer.
22:51:37	Llorean	So simply save it and open it in a text editor.
22:51:41	Synx_hm	i am
22:51:49	Synx_hm	i dont see full file names though
22:52:08	Llorean	Hit the menu button, and change the "Track Display" option
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22:52:42	Synx_hm	haha
22:52:43	Synx_hm	thanks
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22:52:49	Synx_hm	freaking /./trash
22:53:15	Synx_hm	you rock
22:53:59	*	scorche\|w looks up to where he suggested that...
22:54:29	Synx_hm	oh my bad didn't see it
22:54:32	Synx_hm	thanks though
22:54:53	Synx_hm	doh now i see it
22:55:01	Synx_hm	im stillign getting use ti irssi ;)
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22:58:56	vasp	hi, does anyone have any instructions on how to update the iPod Classic firmware in linux?
22:59:20	RyoS	vasp: original?
22:59:42	vasp	RyoS, yes
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23:00:26	RyoS	i will have a look
23:00:27	Bagder	that's hardly rockbox-related
23:00:56	RyoS	Bagder: true actually
23:00:58	RyoS	vasp: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/iPod/Firmwareupdate?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=firmware-update.tar.gz
23:01:17	RyoS	download that and the firmware and put it in the same dir, run the script
23:01:26	RyoS	choose that firmware and update it
23:01:28	Llorean	RyoS: As it's not Rockbox Related, that was the hint to shut up about it in here and not spam our logs
23:01:33	scorche\|w	RyoS: the reason he said that, is that this is an on-topic channel (see the irc guidelines linked int he topic)
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23:01:39	vasp	RyoS, sure its for the 6th gen?
23:01:49	RyoS	Llorean: sorry, didnt know that - and vasp: no idea sorry
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23:36:11	Synx_hm	Anyone know any software for ubuntu or gnome that will dl cover art for rockbox?
23:36:37	GodEater	amarok
23:37:05	Synx_hm	by default will that dl cover in 100x100?
23:37:20	JdGordon	and on that subject... is there a script to convert cover.bmp in my entire tree to cover.100x100.bmp ?
23:37:45	Synx_hm	is that the new name required ?
23:37:50	krazykit	Synx_hm, no, but there's a script on the wiki that will do it for you
23:37:59	Synx_hm	rgr
23:38:07	Bagder	"find . -name cover.bmp -exec convert -geometry 100x100 {} cover.100x100.bmp"
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23:38:35	Bagder	add a trailing \;
23:38:56	Synx_hm	so cover.100x100.bmp is now the required name?
23:39:07	JdGordon	nice and simple :)
23:39:11	BigBambi	Synx_hm: Only if you have different sizes
23:39:27	Synx_hm	ahh
23:40:02	BigBambi	If you have two WPS one that uses 50x50 and one that uses 100x100, then if you have two copies called cover.100x100.bmp and cover.50x50.bmp it'll use the right one for the right WPS rather than cropping
23:40:18	BigBambi	(example sizes, sizes can be anything)
23:40:24	Synx_hm	cool thanks
23:42:05	Synx_hm	anyone ordered from ipodjuce before? I am in need of a new battery for my 5g
23:42:45	Bagder	JdGordon: I think perhaps -execdir should be used instead of -exec too
23:43:02	Synx_hm	what diff about -execdir switch?
23:43:14	Bagder	where the command is executed
23:43:28	Synx_hm	ahh
23:43:33	Synx_hm	makes sense ;)
23:43:51	Bagder	-exec execs in the starting dir, -execdir in the local dirs where it finds something
23:44:39	JdGordon	odd... its complainig the current dir is in $PATH and refusing to run execdir... but its not
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23:49:04	lesshaste_	vasp, did it work?
23:49:43	JdGordon	Bagder: can you allow the web irc client to join -community?
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23:50:44	vasp	lesshaste_, dunno yet, decided to install it all properly in Arch and contribute the pkdbuild back to the community, so I'm taking my time :)
23:51:32	lesshaste_	vasp, :)
23:51:53	lesshaste_	is there a risk you will destroy your ipod doing this?
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23:52:09	lesshaste_	vasp, itunes might work in wine of course :)
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23:52:44	vasp	lesshaste_, It woked, but I cant see the cover art
23:53:03	lesshaste_	vasp, that's cool
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23:58:17	Synx_hm	So where does amarok save the covers?

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