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#rockbox log for 2007-12-23

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00:10:43Genre9mp3haha, sorry for the off-topicness but look at that:
00:11:11Genre9mp3"Use like a normal cassette in a car cassette player or cassette player"
00:11:31LloreanIf that let you record to it from any cassette recorder, I'd be in love
00:13:23Genre9mp3wow, Llorean, it didn't took you long to take it a bit further... :)
00:13:48saratogai don't see a patch to change the default wps
00:13:58saratogaanyone got an FS number?
00:14:32Genre9mp3FS #6568
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00:16:26briantumorwould be cool if it was charged by the spinning gear
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00:46:38mrkikoI have it
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01:18:00memic14415can sum1 help me wit this?
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02:34:30JdGordonany thoughts on ?
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02:37:17spr0k3tJdGordon: that looks good to me. There should also be an option (if there isn't already) to restore the default theme
02:40:04LloreanJdGordon: I think I'd prefer if the settings saved options were located... more locally
02:40:14LloreanLike, if I'm in the radio, "Save radio settings" would be there
02:40:18LloreanRather than in a centralized menu
02:40:36LloreanBut a centralized menu for "Theme" "Sound" and other more general settings could work
02:40:44LloreanIt's just Radio and Recording that they seem like they should be local to me
02:41:48JdGordoni agree
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02:42:05JdGordonI think haveing rec and radio in 2 places isnt a problem
02:42:16LloreanProbably not, true
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08:02:35aliaskDoes anyone know if firmware/target/arm/crt0.S is used by anything other than the Gigabeat S these days?
08:03:02aliaskIt doesn't seem like it, as far as I can tell.
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09:34:37LoplinI tried a theme that made the text on my sansa invisible. I thought there was a way to make rockbox use default settings by holding down a button when you start it, so I tried each button. When I tried holding down the play button and starting, it froze. Does anyone know of a way I can restart it, without disconnencting and reconnecting the battery? Also, how DO I reset it to defaults?
09:35:55aliaskSansa e200 series?
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09:37:06aliaskI believe that if you hold the power button for long enough, there's a hardware poweroff
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09:37:24Loplinthats what I thought, but nothing
09:37:39aliaskAlso, did you try switching hold on just after you booted? I think that's the method to reset on some players
09:37:59Loplinoh, I didn't hold it long enough, cause it worked now
09:38:26LoplinI didn't get to the hold before it froze, I'll try that next
09:40:47Loplinits record ;). Thanks
09:41:03aliaskGlad to hear you got it working
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10:38:02aliaskAnyone familiar with ARM assembly want to take a quick look to see if you can see anything noticeably wrong with this translation to ASM:
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11:48:45linuxstbaliask: IIUC, the end position should be +0x4000, not +0x1000
11:49:25aliasklinuxstb: Ah, of course. I'll give that a shot.
11:51:32linuxstbAlso, did you intend to replace (0<<5) with (1<<5) ?
11:51:34aliasklinuxstb: Perfect. That was the final change to get all the memory remapping inline in ASM inside crt0.S, time to change the linked address.
11:52:33aliasklinuxstb: Hrm. That 0<<5 is actually in mmu-arm.c
11:53:23aliaskIt works either way, so I'm curious which is correct.
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14:04:29AngusJohnsonHi. I'm here to request write permission as a new member of the rockbox community. (I've almost finished a new theme for the Sansa e200 which I'd like to upload.)
14:06:11aliaskAngusJohnson: Is your wiki name the same as your IRC nick?
14:07:44aliaskI've added you, you should be able to edit the wiki to your heart's content.
14:08:09AngusJohnsonI seem to be having trouble with this webclient so I'm about to quit (in case someone tries to reply to my last request).
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14:09:58AngusJohnsonThanks. Bye :)
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14:15:31*freqmod_nx added frequences for Oslo, Norway to the wiki
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15:25:39Jetonthere's a "flashlight" patch posted here: , it basically turns the screen white and you could use it as a flashlight. Anyone thinks it's worth for SVN?
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15:30:18Genre9mp3why not just use a plain (white) jpg instead?
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15:36:23Jetonwell the only thing that makes this different would be the option that when you open the plugin , it sets the brightness to maximum (while the jpeg would use the actual brightnes, in my case it's 8 from 12 total).
15:36:38Jetonbut a white jpeg is a good idea . ;)
15:37:07amiconnWell, I can see some point in a dedicated plugin
15:37:55amiconn(1) it could set brightness to maximum on targets with brightness adjustment. (2) it saves some processing power (decoding of the jpeg, and loading an additional file
15:38:08amiconn(3) It has no problem with resolution adjustment
15:38:36Genre9mp3it's just seems to me a bit bloat, but anyway...
15:39:01phossyamiconn: but not all targets would benefit from it
15:39:03amiconnAs a plugin, I wouldn't mind....
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15:42:22Jetonit would just add one more function to the Sansa at least and other color targets, as a flashlight.
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16:02:35Soaphow can a plugin be bitbloat?
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16:28:02Genre9mp3Soap: "feature bloat" was what I really wanted to say
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16:55:20SoapEven that - the only cost to a plugin is in bandwidth, IMHO.
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17:00:55Genre9mp3well, there is a point though where you should judge what to include and what not, otherwise you'll might end up with a list full of unnecessary plugins
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17:02:39Genre9mp3I'm not sure if a flashlight plugin reaches that point but I am not the one to judge that either
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17:10:51webguest76can someone help me?
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17:36:19kkurbjunaliask, for the logs, I don't think that the arm crt0.s is currently used by any targets other than the giabeat S. It should probably be moved into the target tree for that port to clean up the tree a bit more. I cleaned out the gigabeat F/X code as well as the M:Robe and moved them into their respective trees
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19:51:59ThunderShithow do i record with rockbox on a 5th gen video iPod?
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19:59:35BoBisChriSi forgot my password on here
19:59:39BoBisChriShow do i recover it
20:06:12BoBisChriSanyone here?
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20:12:10BoBisChriSHELP ME!!!!!
20:12:26BoBisChriSfreakin zombiehs
20:12:54RyoSwtf chill dude
20:13:05RyoS/q nickserv help
20:13:23BoBisChriSnvm that, i need rockbox help
20:13:34BoBisChriShow do i record?
20:13:50RyoSon my X5 i press record and thats it..
20:14:10BoBisChriSsorry, on a 5th gen video iPod
20:14:43RyoSdont know about that..
20:15:04BoBisChriSwhat about games
20:15:11BoBisChriSwhat kinda games can i put on this thing
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20:15:30Doomed_BoBisChriS look on the wiki
20:15:47BoBisChriSi do not understand that wiki one bit
20:15:53BoBisChriSits sooo confusing to me
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20:18:13BoBisChriSyeah not what im lookin for but thanks ^_^
20:18:34alienbiker99you need an adapter to record, thats the supported accessories list
20:18:45BoBisChriSmy bad
20:19:31BoBisChriSAHH, how gay, lol
20:19:34BoBisChriSwell thanks man
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20:28:02BoBisChriSu know a good place to get gameboy/gameboy color roms?
20:30:37BoBisChriSi was just asking if one of you knew a good site
20:30:49BoBisChriStheres TONS of fake ones
20:31:47alienbiker99you arent allowed to ask that in here
20:31:59BoBisChriSsry agian
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20:47:57doc|homewhen I try to plug in my iriver to usb charge, it continuously discharges then tries to charge, then stops to discharge again
20:48:09doc|homeanyone know how I can get it to just charge and stop discharging?
20:48:29BoBisChriSno idea
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20:52:44doc|homeanyone else?
20:52:51BoBisChriSthere all zombies
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20:58:49Genre9mp3doc|home: iriver h300, right?
20:59:21doc|homeGenre9mp3: yep
20:59:44Genre9mp3doc|home: It don't have that here, tried another USB port on your PC?
21:00:30doc|homewill try that
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21:01:47doc|homeGenre9mp3: same on two different sets of ports
21:02:23doc|homeit seems to start charging and light the screen with the original firmware, then brightens, then stops as if the battery has run out
21:02:35doc|homefinally, it's charging
21:03:24Genre9mp3hmmm.. so you try to charge it via the RetailOS?
21:03:58Genre9mp3you can usb charge it with Rockbox if you like btw
21:05:06doc|homeGenre9mp3: yeah, but only if you can get it to boot into rockbox :/
21:05:13doc|homewhich I can't because the battery is too low
21:05:24kugelGenre9mp3: What's that contributor flag?
21:05:34doc|homeso it seems to kick into standard os to charge
21:06:54Genre9mp3doc|home: There is a setting in the original firmware that sets the LCD on or off while charging. Are you sure it stops charging and not just turns off the LCD?
21:07:20doc|homeGenre9mp3: no, it stops, because it then tries to discharge after that
21:07:22Genre9mp3kugel: It's actually an IRC cloak
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21:08:01Genre9mp3kugel: Whoever contributes to Rockbox can have that here
21:08:14Genre9mp3doc|home: oh, so it gets you to retailOS main screen?
21:08:23kugelWhat did you contribute?
21:08:42Genre9mp3kugel: iCatcher wps
21:09:10doc|homeGenre9mp3: the battery is empty. I plug it in, it tries to discharge what little is left via rockbox. It does so, attempts to reboot into retail OS, the screen brightens, then it stops and re-enters rockbox.
21:09:18doc|homerinse - repeat
21:10:00alienbiker99have you tried using the AC adapter
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21:10:17doc|homealienbiker99: I don't have it :/
21:10:30doc|homeI'm back home (Ireland) and it's in Canada
21:10:35kugelGenre9mp3: cool
21:11:23Joshyrohey!!! ive installed rockbox on my ipod U2, (firmware apple 123) but i cannot see de bootloader, ( the blue display!) why?
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21:12:08Joshyrono puedo ver el bootloader en mi ipod, como entro al firmaware de apple???
21:14:25alienbiker99menu + select
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21:19:28Joshyrothanks!!! pero porque no me apareció la pantalla azul!?? antes la tenía, actualice el firmware de apple y se borró mi loader, ahora hice de neuvo la instalación pero no me quedo igual algo salio mal?
21:20:28alienbiker99no entiendo pero este channel es solo ingles, lo siento
21:21:27Joshyroi have a problem with the bootloader, because i cannot see the options, default is rockbox!!! something is wrong!?
21:23:19alienbiker99the rockbox bootloader will always boot rockbox first, there are other bootloaders that will boot the apple os first
21:25:41kugelJoshyro: There're no options lol
21:27:07Joshyroyes i know, but this is the second time that i install rockbox, the first time i had a bootloader with 3 or 4 options, then i update mi apple OS, and my bootloader was missing!!!
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21:36:01alienbiker99ipodlinux bootloader?
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21:37:05JoshyroIm reading a custom bootloader about!:D
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21:39:08escargotHello! I'm trying to install rockbox on an iPod Nano (1st gen), and I get an error on the ipod saying "Can't load rockbox.ipod". Does anyone know what the problem could be?
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21:42:39alienbiker99did you copy the .rockbox folder to your root/
21:43:04escargotYes, I have a .rockbox folder, and there's a rockbox.ipod file in it.
21:43:09escargotBut I used the rockbox utility.
21:43:14escargotI didn't do it by hand.
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21:50:04escargotOkay, I just tried doing it by hand again, and it gives the same error.
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23:07:42LambdaCalculus37New diff for FS #8359 up.
23:08:01LambdaCalculus37I added some strings for voice generation.
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23:14:27kugelNico_P: Have you had time to look into fs#8335?
23:14:56Nico_Pkugel: I have had very little time for rockbox lately
23:15:13kugelNo problem
23:15:16Nico_PI'm not sure it's going to be better over the holidays
23:15:40kugelI just want you to know, that jott likes it
23:15:44kugelTake your time
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23:17:54LambdaCalculus37How can we help you, webguest97?
23:18:21webguest97I've got a problem with rockbox, on an iPod 5.5G
23:18:26webguest97it won't start/
23:18:47LambdaCalculus37webguest97: Can you tell us what you have done with your iPod?
23:19:35LambdaCalculus37Did you just install Rockbox? Or have you installed before, and are now having problems?
23:20:03webguest97almost exactly a year ago.
23:20:37webguest97aside from that necessary to run rockbox, I haven't done anything with it.
23:21:07LambdaCalculus37Have you updated your build recently?
23:21:34LambdaCalculus37Latest bootloader?
23:21:40webguest97Tried updating it a few weeks after it stopped working.
23:22:23LambdaCalculus37You know... using iPodpatcher to apply the bootloader to your iPod?
23:23:30webguest97Is it necessary to do that more than once?
23:23:46webguest97I thought you only had to do that when installing rockbox.
23:23:53LloreanSometimes a newer one is needed
23:24:09LambdaCalculus37Especially since it sounds like you may not have done it since you first installed.
23:24:09LloreanWe don't change it unless we have to, but we did have to for dual core support.
23:24:23webguest97No, I haven't.
23:24:40LambdaCalculus37Ahh, there's why Rockbox may not be working, then.
23:24:52webguest97So, what exactly do I need to do?
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23:25:27LambdaCalculus37Grab iPodpatcher here:
23:25:37LambdaCalculus37Hook up your iPod to your computer, and then run it.
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23:25:49LambdaCalculus37Then press i to install the bootloader.
23:26:09mrkikowebguest97: be aware - if you don't know what you're doing you may damanger your player
23:26:30webguest97How so?
23:26:48Mouser_XIndeed. The iPod is pretty difficult to ruin.
23:26:51LambdaCalculus37mrkiko: As long as he follows instructions, he'll be perfectly safe.
23:27:05mrkikoyou believe eh? :)
23:27:23mrkikoyes, that's true Mouser_x
23:27:24LambdaCalculus37My iPod is a full year old and still singing the tunes.
23:27:33Mouser_Xmrkiko: It's not a matter of belief. It's a matter of construction.
23:28:02Mouser_XThe iPod stores it vital data in a section that Rockbox never touches.
23:28:28webguest97It seems to have done its work.
23:28:41LambdaCalculus37Okay, now try booting it up.
23:29:10webguest97it works :D
23:29:27mrkikoI was referring only to the bootloader installation aniway - not the rockbox use
23:29:36webguest97I've missed you so much, baby.
23:29:39webguest97I mean...
23:29:42webguest97okay, thanks guys.
23:29:48LambdaCalculus37No problem!
23:29:48Soapnever heard of a single person bricking their iPod - ever. There have been hundreds of idiots who have tried - more idiots than on any other model (marketshare).
23:29:58webguest97Thanks a lot.
23:30:03Mouser_Xmrkiko: Even when installing the bootloader, you can't damage the iPod.
23:30:07webguest97Now, how often should I do this?
23:30:28LambdaCalculus37webgues97: Only when we say to update the bootloader.
23:30:42webguest97Where will it say to do so?
23:30:43Soapbootloader upgrade? Only needs done when there is a new bootloader - which will be announced all over the front page and most likely in the forums.
23:30:45mrkikowebguest97: practically never
23:31:06Mouser_Xmrkiko: The only time I can think of that I've heard of someone bricking their iPod, was when they were doing an OF update, and they cut power to their iPod in the middle of the process.
23:31:17LloreanSoap: It's rarely announced on the front page, I think. Or at least, not clearly.
23:31:32LloreanBut it should become policy to at least make it 100% clear in the MajorChanges page that a new one is necessary
23:32:01webguest97While I'm here, there's another question I've been meaning to ask.
23:32:16LambdaCalculus37webguest97: Shoot.
23:32:20webguest97What exactly is the effect of rockbox on long-term battery life?
23:33:06webguest97I've noticed that my iPod lasts a max of 8 hours running rockbox, much lower if I play Doom or Pac-Man
23:33:10Mouser_XIt will cause your iPod to initiate a nuclear explosion.
23:33:17LloreanRockbox shouldn't have any direct effect. But the fact that the battery runs down more quickly means that you have to recharge it more often which does increase overall wear.
23:33:31webguest97Yeah, that's what I'd guessed.
23:33:32LambdaCalculus37webguest97: I can net at best 9 hours on my iPod.
23:33:53LloreanBut it's no different than watching Videos all the time in the original firmware.
23:33:53webguest97Are there any remedies for a weakened battery?
23:34:00LloreanReplace the battery.
23:34:08alienbiker99they arent that expensive
23:34:12webguest97Or any way to increase the life of an existing one?
23:34:21LloreanBatteries should essentially be considered consumables. They get used up.
23:34:43webguest97Okay, thanks again.
23:34:43LambdaCalculus37webguest97: iFixIt sells higher capacity batteries for all iPod models.
23:35:03*Mouser_X wants a higher capacity battery for his Gigabeat.
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23:35:22Mouser_X(For that matter, a larger drive wouldn't be bad either.)
23:35:29Soapwebguest97: if you haven't upgraded Rockbox since before the new bootloader was required - you'll see at least a 20% increase in runtime when compared to what you are used to.
23:36:08LambdaCalculus37Soap: Mine went from about 7 hours to 9-10 hours after installing the latest bootloader.
23:36:11webguest97Man, hard drives are pretty expensive. =\
23:36:39Soaphow long between Rockbox updates, LambdaCalculus37?
23:36:57LambdaCalculus37Soap: Every day.
23:37:10LambdaCalculus37Or for major changes.
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23:37:36webguest97Now I feel like getting a white click wheel or different back, just to mess people up.
23:38:10Soapthen you shouldn't have seen jack battery life increase when you did bootloaders - I was refering to the fact that there has been a couple of changes (most notably HDD poweroff) since the bootloader change (which is what dates webguest97's previous install) which have made the battery life difference.
23:38:11webguest97is 580 mAh the default battery for the 30 GB?
23:38:17SoapThe bootloader itself shouldn't have made any.
23:38:47LambdaCalculus37webguest97: No, 400 mAh is.
23:39:41webguest97Oh, and does rockbox really update daily? What sort of changes are made?
23:40:05Mouser_Xwebguest97: Rockbox often updates hourly.
23:40:12Mouser_XLet alone daily.
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23:40:42webguest97Each models does?
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23:41:14SoapFor the best I can determine, iPod (Video) battery life has gone up ~32% in the last 15 months.
23:41:14LambdaCalculus37webguest97: Yes.
23:41:18LloreanChanges often are to the "apps" layer, which affects all players (or most)
23:41:32Mouser_Xwebguest97: Rockbox is a whole. In other words, if something is added to Rockbox, it almost always hits all the targets.
23:41:32webguest97What kind of changes?
23:41:58ed_manni have a Sansa e250v2 and i cannot get the device to show up under linux. I have tried the tips to get it into msc mode. or recovery and it's not working. Any tips
23:42:28LambdaCalculus37ed_mann: We don't even support the v2 Sansa models.
23:42:30Mouser_Xed_mann: This is #rockbox, not #e250v2.
23:43:05ed_mannya i saw some tips on the web on your site, and was thinking i could get some assistance.
23:43:19ed_manni know it's not supported.
23:43:25ed_manndifferent hardware.
23:43:55ed_mannalso i thought i had a v1 because i did not see audible on the box, but when i got it home and opened it it was a v2
23:44:13Mouser_XThat sucks.
23:44:22LambdaCalculus37ed_mann: I suggest taking it back to wherever you got it from and ask for another Sansa.
23:44:32LambdaCalculus37Hopefully, it'll turn out to be a v1.
23:44:59webguest97Could one swap the batteries of a 30GB Video and a 60/80 GB?
23:45:27LambdaCalculus37webguest97: No can do. The 60/80GB battery is a wee bit thicker.
23:45:37webguest97Wait, never mind.
23:45:44ed_mannya i was thinking about that... but how can i identify a v1 on the outside of the box?
23:46:07Mouser_XLook for audible support.
23:46:26Mouser_XIf you see it, it's a v2. If it's not on the box, it *might* be a v1.
23:46:26LambdaCalculus37Mouser_X: He just said that he got one that didn't mention it.
23:46:42Mouser_XI thought he said he forgot to look...
23:46:46LambdaCalculus37Seems like SanDisk just used leftover packaging on v2s.
23:46:55Mouser_XI was wrong, sorry.
23:46:55webguest97Well, thanks again for your help, guys.
23:47:14LambdaCalculus37webguest97: Enjoy and Merry Xmas! :)
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23:47:41ed_mannMouser_X: ya the box did not mention audible support at all. I did find a box that did mention it, and thought i had a v1 when i could not find it at all
23:47:54webguest97And thanks for that site. It's a comfort to know that if I ever happen to shatter my iPod completely (which is pretty likely, actually), I can try to salvage the hard drive and rebuild it from scratch
23:48:08Mouser_XYah, I misread what you said earlier. :( That does make things more difficult.
23:48:23webguest97Also, Merry Christmas to all of you :)
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23:49:38Mouser_Xed_mann: This isn't the best option, but it might work. When/if you take your v2 back and get a new one, open it while still at the counter, and look to see if it's a v2.
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23:49:52ed_mannMouser_X: i might just do that.
23:49:59Mouser_XDo this, until you've gone through their whole stock, get bored, or find a v1.
23:50:22ed_mannthey would love that
23:50:24Mouser_X(Or until they kick you out.)
23:50:27LambdaCalculus37rasher: Thanks for the commit! :)
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