| 00:00:19 | briantumor | all=me |
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| 00:00:22 | Mouser_X | Indeed. It's great stuff. |
| 00:00:41 | Mouser_X | They sure didn't stick around long... |
| 00:00:56 | briantumor | how ungrateful |
| 00:01:17 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 00:01:52 | briantumor | so.. you don't _need_ debian for a proper dev environment for rockbox, correct? |
| 00:01:56 | briantumor | so i can use slackware |
| 00:02:07 | aliask | briantumor: Sure |
| 00:02:11 | briantumor | :) |
| 00:02:31 | briantumor | i still planning on getting tron ported to it |
| 00:02:47 | Mouser_X | Tron? |
| 00:02:54 | Mouser_X | Isn't that similar to snake? |
| 00:02:58 | briantumor | yes |
| 00:03:05 | Soap | you mean the cycle-don't-cross-the-trails game? |
| 00:03:09 | briantumor | yeah |
| 00:03:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Oops... last patch to FS #8359 messed up a few strings. |
| 00:03:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | Just fixed some more. |
| 00:03:21 | mrkiko | 8connirc.tin.it |
| 00:03:35 | mrkiko | sorry |
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| 00:04:04 | briantumor | it's like snake, with one player as cpu |
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| 00:06:04 | countrymonkeyweb | I need help. I am trying to patch 7578, but they won't patch. Could someone send me the patched files? |
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| 00:07:49 | Mouser_X | countrymonkeyweb: What are you trying to do? |
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| 00:08:15 | Mouser_X | Specifically, are you trying to generate a voice that has a space in the name? |
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| 00:08:32 | Mouser_X | They fixed that in SVN awhile ago, when Calcipher attempted to do the same thing. |
| 00:08:51 | Mouser_X | User " or ' marks (I can't remember which.) |
| 00:09:01 | Mouser_X | (Or where, but I know they work.) |
| 00:09:50 | countrymonkeyweb | I am trying to get sapi4 to work on cygwin. 7578 is a patch to do that. |
| 00:10:09 | countrymonkeyweb | Oh, 8359 needs to be committed. More lang updates |
| 00:10:14 | Mouser_X | If you're doing what I think I think you're doing, then Calcipher was attempting to generate voices with the exact same "voice font" you're trying to use. |
| 00:10:42 | countrymonkeyweb | He uses sapi5. Sapi4 is not availible and that is what 7578 does. |
| 00:10:43 | Mouser_X | And, as I already said, that's been fixed, because he successfully generated voice files using SVN. |
| 00:11:27 | countrymonkeyweb | sapi5 svn! |
| 00:11:31 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. The name of the "voice font" he used I thought was the same as the one you're trying to use. Of course, I guess that could work with both Sapi4 as well as 5. |
| 00:11:59 | countrymonkeyweb | ,sapi4 doesn't bleepin work at all! |
| 00:12:11 | Mouser_X | countrymonkeyweb: Do you read? |
| 00:12:37 | countrymonkeyweb | sorry |
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| 00:12:50 | countrymonkeyweb | How do I build a sapi4 voice then? |
| 00:12:56 | Mouser_X | Seriously, I didn't say that it did. It's been at least a month since Calcipher generated his voice files. It's not like I took notes to see which voice engine he used. |
| 00:13:14 | amiconn | countrymonkeyweb: sapi4 *does* work in svn |
| 00:13:38 | Mouser_X | amiconn: Thanks. |
| 00:13:57 | countrymonkeyweb | Then 7578 should be closed. And how do you do it? |
| 00:14:42 | amiconn | When configuring, just add /sapi4 to the parameter list. And if the voice name contains space(s), put the whole /voice parameter in single quotes |
| 00:15:01 | amiconn | E.g. 'voice:My Voice' |
| 00:15:10 | amiconn | Erm, '/voice:My Voice' |
| 00:16:04 | countrymonkeyweb | So the complete string would be /sapi4 /voice: "fictional voice" |
| 00:16:39 | amiconn | no |
| 00:16:55 | amiconn | /sapi4 '/voice:fictional voice' |
| 00:17:13 | amiconn | Single quotes, around the whole parameter |
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| 00:17:32 | countrymonkeyweb | Oh. Any other options I can add? |
| 00:17:52 | amiconn | Yes, /speed:n |
| 00:18:10 | amiconn | The speed parameter has different meanings for sapi4 than for sapi5 |
| 00:18:25 | countrymonkeyweb | N is a value from what number to what number? |
| 00:18:37 | countrymonkeyweb | for both 4 and 5? |
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| 00:19:00 | aliask | Nico_P: Around? |
| 00:19:08 | Nico_P | yes :) |
| 00:19:26 | countrymonkeyweb | What are the speed values for sapi4 and sapi5? |
| 00:19:36 | aliask | I'm having trouble deleting an old build of rockbox from the gigabeat, how have you been doing it? |
| 00:19:36 | Mouser_X | Nico_P: I encountered a (rare, but reproducable) buffering bug. |
| 00:19:50 | Nico_P | mtp-delete |
| 00:20:06 | amiconn | Iirc, for sapi5 you can use -10...+10, with 0 being the default (that should match the slider in the tts control panel) |
| 00:20:17 | amiconn | And for sapi4, it's word-per-minute iirc |
| 00:20:19 | countrymonkeyweb | sapi4? |
| 00:20:23 | amiconn | Defaults to 160 |
| 00:20:29 | Mouser_X | Nico_P: Specifically, it has to do with the "repeat 1" mode, and disableing it using the main menu, and not the "quick menu." |
| 00:20:45 | aliask | Nico_P: mtp-delfile rockbox.gigabeat"? |
| 00:20:51 | amiconn | If you build a sapi4 voice, be prepared that it will take ages compared to sapi5 |
| 00:21:03 | amiconn | sapi4 isn't really suited for scripting... |
| 00:21:18 | Nico_P | aliask: mtp-delfile <id> |
| 00:21:40 | aliask | Nico_P: The internal filename? Like 001 etc? |
| 00:21:52 | Nico_P | you get it with mtp-files |
| 00:22:01 | Nico_P | and it's also displayed when you send the file |
| 00:22:16 | aliask | Aha! Thanks :) |
| 00:22:20 | countrymonkeyweb | thx |
| 00:23:43 | Nico_P | Mouser_X: sounds familiar... isn't there a bug report already? |
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| 00:24:14 | Nico_P | aliask: are you any closer to getting interrupts working? |
| 00:24:50 | Mouser_X | Nico_P: The problem is that rebuffering doesn't happen, when you turn off "repeat 1" from within the main menu. As a result, once the current file finishes, it goes to the next file. However, due to how repeat 1 currently works, the next file is a duplicate of the previous file. Thus, when it goes to the next file, it plays the same thing it just finished playing. It will do this until it refills the buffer, or until you force a buffer refill by do |
| 00:24:59 | Mouser_X | Nico_P: No idea... |
| 00:25:13 | Mouser_X | It didn't occur to me to look. |
| 00:25:21 | * | Mouser_X hasn't done *that* much bug reporting. |
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| 00:26:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm going to be off for now. |
| 00:26:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | In the meantime, Merry Xmas to everyone! |
| 00:26:29 | aliask | Nico_P: I have managed to get the DRAM remapped from 0x88000000 to 0x0, so in theory all we need to do now is load the exception vector table at 0x0 and it should work. I haven't tried yet though. |
| 00:26:56 | countrymonkeyweb | 8359 needs a commit! |
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| 00:38:23 | Nico_P | aliask: cool :) |
| 00:38:49 | * | Nico_P is off |
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| 00:44:34 | petur | countrymonkeyweb: 8359 isn't ready for commit. And it looks like it adds strings that shouldn't be there... |
| 00:45:05 | countrymonkeyweb | I know rasher is doing bit-by-bit committing. |
| 00:45:57 | petur | sure, but that patch doesn't apply and when you do try, it isn't correct. |
| 00:46:20 | countrymonkeyweb | ok |
| 00:47:17 | petur | any h1x0 owners around? |
| 00:47:46 | petur | amiconn: recording on h1x0 is started by pressing REC, right? |
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| 00:50:21 | Jaearess | I just installed Rockbox on my iriver H10 20GB using rbutil. Rockbox boots just fine. However, from what I've read, I have to boot into the original firmware to add songs to my player (because it doesn't run as a UMS device normally.) When I try to get it to boot into the iriver firmware, I get a message about missing files. Something like "Can't run file /System/OF.mi4: File Not Found Can't run file /System/OF.bin: File Not Found." Is there |
| 00:50:22 | Jaearess | anyway to get it fixed so I can get back to the iriver firmware? |
| 00:51:35 | petur | Jaearess: there's a recovery mode to boot into. let me get the wiki page for you |
| 00:54:45 | petur | not a wiki but an MR link. It does not apply to the 20GB but the UMS boottrick is probably the same: http://www.misticriver.net/wiki/index.php/H10_Firmware_Conversion:_MTP/UMS |
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| 00:58:11 | Jaearess | petur: Thank you, thank you, thank you! I can't believe I didn't find that myself in my searching, but it works! :) |
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| 01:06:44 | amiconn | meh |
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| 01:29:52 | aliask | Are there any ARM targets that have interrupts in the bootloader? |
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| 01:35:48 | amiconn | On PP we don't enable interrupts in the bootloader in order to not confuse the OF |
| 01:37:26 | amiconn | I have no idea regarding what the gigabeat f/x or iFP bootloaders do (does an iFP bootloader even exist?) |
| 01:37:30 | aliask | Maybe interrupts are enabled for the GigabeatF/X, but it doesn't look like the vector table is set up in the BL |
| 01:38:14 | Llorean | amiconn: No, the iFP doesn't use a bootloader |
| 01:38:25 | Llorean | Rockbox is launched by hacking the OF to execute WMA files rather than playing them. |
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| 01:39:45 | amiconn | oh my |
| 01:40:03 | * | amiconn already forgot *how* bad vinyl sounds in comparison to CD... |
| 01:40:38 | aliask | Yet some people prefer it. |
| 01:42:00 | * | amiconn is doing some recording on H1x0 |
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| 01:50:10 | Soap | how plausable would RIAA curve pre-emphasis correction be _on_ target? |
| 01:50:21 | Soap | too much CPU? |
| 01:50:30 | * | Soap has no idea how complicated the filters are. |
| 01:50:53 | amiconn | Iirc preglow did some experiments regarding riaa deemphasis |
| 01:51:40 | amiconn | But in fact I see no point in that - you need a preamp anyway, and a phono preamp normally already applies deemphasis |
| 01:52:09 | Soap | double true |
| 01:53:47 | amiconn | And doing it before a-d conversion increases dynamics for bass (not that it matters much, considering the snr of vinyl..) |
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| 04:16:13 | countrymonkeyweb | What are the rbspeexenc options that are possible at the prompt in configure? |
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| 04:18:07 | escargot | Hello! I have a stupid question: how do I create a bookmark? |
| 04:18:35 | escargot | If I'm on the WPS, I go to the context menu, and there's a "bookmarks" option |
| 04:18:47 | psycho_maniac | escargot: That information should be in the manual. |
| 04:19:05 | escargot | And then I press select on the "create bookmark" button, and nothing happens. |
| 04:20:14 | psycho_maniac | escargot: then do the same thing and click list bookmarks |
| 04:20:47 | escargot | psycho_maniac: There is no "list bookmarks" option. |
| 04:20:59 | escargot | I don't think it's creating the bookmark when I press create bookmark. |
| 04:21:14 | psycho_maniac | Do you have the latest build for your player? |
| 04:21:32 | escargot | I just installed it today, so I assume so. |
| 04:21:43 | escargot | It's an ipod nano (1g) |
| 04:22:17 | escargot | version r15968-071223 |
| 04:22:26 | escargot | So I guess it's today's build! |
| 04:22:42 | escargot | Do you think it's a bug? |
| 04:23:03 | psycho_maniac | so when you click "create bookmark" does it say bookmark created? |
| 04:23:13 | escargot | No, nothing happens when I click it. |
| 04:25:11 | psycho_maniac | Same thing happens with my ipod5g video |
| 04:26:26 | escargot | Hm, okay, I guess I'll wait for a fix. |
| 04:26:39 | psycho_maniac | but my build is very old r15914-071212 |
| 04:27:12 | escargot | I'd hardly say two weeks is very old, but what do I know :-D |
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| 04:28:01 | krazykit | escargot, it's old in rockbox terms. |
| 04:28:44 | escargot | Ah, there's a bug report already: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8215?histring=bookmark |
| 04:29:00 | escargot | Wait, no, that's not it. Sorry. |
| 04:29:39 | psycho_maniac | well it works on my sansa. I am getting the latest build for my ipod now. |
| 04:31:39 | psycho_maniac | and last i remember it worked on my gigabeat but i cannot test that player anymore |
| 04:32:31 | escargot | You have a lot of players. I only have the one iPod Nano. |
| 04:33:39 | psycho_maniac | i dont have that many compared to other users. |
| 04:41:48 | kugel | psycho_maniac: lol you gotta catch 'em all! |
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| 04:44:13 | psycho_maniac | Same thing happens on my ipodvideo with the latest build. |
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| 04:45:40 | escargot | Okay, here's something interesting: it works fine if you play the song through the "Files" view, but it fails from the "Database" view. |
| 04:45:59 | escargot | And since I had loaded my music from iTunes, everything was only in the database before. |
| 04:46:57 | psycho_maniac | hmm mine doesnt work in the "files" view |
| 04:49:09 | escargot | I can create a bookmark, but it doesn't work properly. |
| 04:51:05 | escargot | After creating a bookmark (which only works in the Files view), I can't load it again from the WPS shortcut menu. But it loads fine from the Recent Bookmarks on the front screen. |
| 04:51:40 | escargot | Basically, it seems large chunks of the bookmark system are screwed up on the ipods somehow. |
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| 04:54:18 | psycho_maniac | yes that works for me as well |
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| 04:56:59 | LinkinXp | hey hello |
| 04:57:01 | LinkinXp | i need helop |
| 04:57:03 | LinkinXp | help* |
| 04:57:46 | LinkinXp | can someone help me? |
| 04:58:01 | LinkinXp | i have a Sansa e280 and i can't install the rockbox |
| 04:58:12 | escargot | Oh no, and now iTunes says my iPod is corrupted. Crap. |
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| 05:00:24 | escargot | LinkinXp, I'm no expert, but I think they probably need more detail to help you. |
| 05:00:26 | briantumor | LinkinXp, 2nd gen? |
| 05:00:34 | LinkinXp | im not sure |
| 05:00:54 | LinkinXp | where should i see that? |
| 05:01:00 | Soap | lower right corner of the back of the player, LinkinXp. What is the full text of the model #? |
| 05:01:26 | LinkinXp | lol |
| 05:01:27 | LinkinXp | V2 |
| 05:01:28 | LinkinXp | :) |
| 05:01:32 | LinkinXp | 3280v2 |
| 05:01:34 | LinkinXp | e280v2 |
| 05:01:58 | Soap | That's the model 2. Not currently supported by Rockbox. |
| 05:02:17 | LinkinXp | no way! |
| 05:02:19 | LinkinXp | uf |
| 05:02:20 | LinkinXp | :( |
| 05:02:48 | briantumor | :( ..do your research before you buy |
| 05:03:08 | LinkinXp | isnt mine though |
| 05:03:24 | briantumor | well, whoever's it is |
| 05:03:27 | LinkinXp | ajja |
| 05:03:28 | LinkinXp | thanks |
| 05:03:33 | LinkinXp | i have a 250 |
| 05:03:33 | LinkinXp | :P |
| 05:03:43 | LinkinXp | thanks anyway |
| 05:06:51 | countrymonkeyweb | What are the rbspeexenc options? |
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| 05:16:42 | escargot | Hm, I don't think there's any way to make iTunes stop thinking that my ipod is corrupted. |
| 05:17:00 | psycho_maniac | uninstall iTunes ;) |
| 05:17:03 | escargot | I'm going to have to restore the ipod and start over :( |
| 05:18:02 | escargot | Well, it's not just iTunes. It doesn't mount in disk mode anymore at all. |
| 05:18:16 | psycho_maniac | why would you go and do that? maybe restart your computer or the player also |
| 05:18:35 | escargot | I restarted the player, but not the computer. |
| 05:18:47 | kkurbjun | aliask, the m:robe uses interupts in the bootloader code |
| 05:19:00 | kkurbjun | (although we don't use the bootloader) |
| 05:19:06 | kkurbjun | at least not right now |
| 05:19:30 | escargot | It's weird that somehow it became "corrupted". All I did was mess around with the bookmarks. |
| 05:19:40 | aliask | kkurbjun: Ah, great. I gave up trying to understand it all, but I might dive back in now that I have some frame of reference |
| 05:19:59 | escargot | And everything still works. The rockbox works, and the original firmware works, everything is good. |
| 05:20:06 | escargot | Just not the mounting.' |
| 05:20:23 | kkurbjun | do you have interupts running at all on the S? |
| 05:20:29 | psycho_maniac | what do you mean by "not the mounting" ? |
| 05:20:52 | countrymonkeyweb | boot into diskmode with menu&select and when the hdd starts spinning up switch to select&play. |
| 05:20:53 | aliask | kkurbjun: Not yet, I'm completely lost with the current state of the crt0.S and boot.lds |
| 05:21:14 | escargot | I mean that the iPod doesn't appear as a disk anymore when I plug it in. countrymonkeyweb, that's what I'm doing. |
| 05:21:34 | countrymonkeyweb | oh... Try a different os. |
| 05:22:08 | psycho_maniac | sometimes iTunes hides the actual disk drive. do you have this setting enabled? |
| 05:22:12 | aliask | kkurbjun: It seems like multiple things are being linked to 0x0, and I don't know why... |
| 05:22:13 | escargot | I only have access to a Mac at the moment. I'll try again another time. |
| 05:22:20 | escargot | No psycho_maniac, because it worked before. |
| 05:22:35 | psycho_maniac | just buy a new player ;) |
| 05:22:44 | kkurbjun | aliask: in the bootloader build? |
| 05:22:48 | aliask | Yep |
| 05:23:05 | escargot | Yeah, I think I should get a new one. I bought this one when the nanos first came out. |
| 05:23:21 | countrymonkeyweb | No. try a different usb/firewire port on the comp. |
| 05:23:30 | psycho_maniac | escargot: did you go from mac to pc at all with your player? |
| 05:23:46 | kkurbjun | hmm, I woulnt' expect it to link at all if that was the case |
| 05:23:55 | escargot | psycho_maniac, I only used a PC to format it in FAT32, but everything else is on Mac. |
| 05:24:01 | kkurbjun | doesn't look like the bootloader builds on my machine |
| 05:24:15 | escargot | countrymonkeyweb, nothing changed on a different port. |
| 05:24:35 | countrymonkeyweb | Are you using usb or firewire? |
| 05:24:39 | escargot | USB. |
| 05:24:50 | countrymonkeyweb | try firewire. |
| 05:24:55 | kkurbjun | oh, no it does |
| 05:24:57 | escargot | Don't have a cable for it. |
| 05:24:57 | psycho_maniac | i dont think you can use firewire at least on a pc |
| 05:24:57 | kkurbjun | nevermind |
| 05:25:07 | aliask | You had me panicing for a second there :P |
| 05:25:18 | countrymonkeyweb | Do you use the apple power adapter? |
| 05:25:30 | kkurbjun | :), sorry |
| 05:25:31 | escargot | No, I just connect it to the computer to charge. |
| 05:26:02 | kkurbjun | aliask: you remap 0x8a000000 to 0x0? |
| 05:26:59 | aliask | kkurbjun: Let me explain. 0x8a000000 is where the bootloader is loaded, it's not the start of ram. 0x8a000000 translates to 0x02000000 after remap |
| 05:27:42 | kkurbjun | ahh, why don't you copy the bootloader to the start of ram and link it as if it was located at 0x0? |
| 05:27:53 | kkurbjun | to the memory remap from crt0.S? |
| 05:27:59 | kkurbjun | /to/do |
| 05:28:23 | aliask | The memory remap IS done in crt0.S (that was a pain in the ass) |
| 05:28:42 | kkurbjun | why is that? |
| 05:28:57 | kkurbjun | was it using an absolute address? |
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| 05:29:17 | escargot | Disk utility says "Error: Filesystem verify or repair failed." |
| 05:29:19 | kkurbjun | the memory map looks ok to me |
| 05:29:29 | aliask | Sorry, I don't follow... was what using an absolute address? |
| 05:29:41 | countrymonkeyweb | trash it |
| 05:29:54 | countrymonkeyweb | no, call apple when they reopen |
| 05:29:58 | kkurbjun | the only other stuff I see located at 0x0 is the comment section, you could call the MMU functions from crt0.S |
| 05:30:12 | escargot | Yeah, I'll have to start over. But I need a PC to reset the iPod with FAT32. |
| 05:30:19 | countrymonkeyweb | if that doesn't work, trash it. |
| 05:30:23 | escargot | Thanks for your help everyone! |
| 05:30:24 | aliask | kkurbjun: Let me pastebin the objdump output from crt0.o |
| 05:30:29 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: Please, stop suggesting people just trash their iPod. |
| 05:30:38 | Llorean | escargot: Have you tried the iPod Manual restore wiki page? |
| 05:30:42 | kkurbjun | aliask: crt0.s should apear as if it's linked from 0x0 |
| 05:30:53 | escargot | And hopefully there'll be a fix for the bookmark problem sometime. |
| 05:30:58 | escargot | Llorean, looking for it. |
| 05:30:59 | kkurbjun | which is why you have to use all relative addresses in it |
| 05:31:17 | countrymonkeyweb | ChanServ: |
| 05:31:27 | countrymonkeyweb | sorry about that |
| 05:31:44 | kkurbjun | you use crt0.s to setup your memory and copy the entry point where you want it to be |
| 05:32:12 | kkurbjun | so you link the bootloader as if it is where you want it to be, for example 0x0 even though it might not be there initially |
| 05:32:22 | kkurbjun | and you use ctr0.s to copy it where you want |
| 05:32:29 | kkurbjun | at least that's one way to do it |
| 05:32:54 | escargot | Wow, that manual restore thing looks complicated. I'd rather just wait to plug it into a PC and let iTunes handle it. |
| 05:32:55 | aliask | kkurbjun: http://pastebin.ca/830685 |
| 05:33:01 | escargot | Night all. |
| 05:33:26 | aliask | Notice that both <undef_instr_handler> and <_vectorstart> are linked to 0x0 |
| 05:33:56 | kkurbjun | hmm |
| 05:34:12 | kkurbjun | I was reading bootloader.map |
| 05:34:14 | aliask | I have no idea why <undef_instr_handler> is dumped there though. |
| 05:34:50 | kkurbjun | this is a modified lds from what's in svn? |
| 05:35:11 | aliask | No, I just compiled and objdumped it from clean svn |
| 05:37:37 | kkurbjun | hmm |
| 05:38:25 | kkurbjun | what command line did you use? |
| 05:40:11 | aliask | arm-elf-objdump -D crt0.o > file |
| 05:40:14 | kkurbjun | try dumping bootloader.elf |
| 05:40:21 | kkurbjun | in firmware |
| 05:40:56 | aliask | Hrm, that looks more sane |
| 05:40:59 | kkurbjun | I think that would be more what you would expect to see, I can't speak for dumping crt0.s |
| 05:41:17 | kkurbjun | yeah, bootlaoder.map is also a good source for addresses |
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| 05:43:51 | kkurbjun | the m:robe is a bit different as a note, it has some memory that is dedicated at 0x0 |
| 05:43:58 | kkurbjun | so we don't have to use the MMU to remap it |
| 05:44:46 | kkurbjun | with the gigabeat F I was playing around with linking it as if it was running at 0x0 from the beginning and remapping the memory with the MMU and then enabling the interupts |
| 05:45:27 | aliask | What I plan to do is link as if it was loaded at 0x0, perform the remap of DRAM to 0x0, copy the BL to 0x0 then branch to main |
| 05:45:32 | aliask | Does that sound correct? |
| 05:45:41 | kkurbjun | yep |
| 05:45:54 | kkurbjun | are you using the mmu to remap? |
| 05:45:57 | aliask | Yes |
| 05:46:23 | aliask | I've inlined the remap function into ASM in crt0.S so we don't have linking problems. |
| 05:47:02 | kkurbjun | gotcha, that's probably the best way to do it, we had been using just a straight branch in the F to the MMU remap |
| 05:47:27 | kkurbjun | but I don't think there was any guarantee to make sure that it wouldn't use an absolue address for the jump |
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| 05:47:44 | aliask | Which wouldn't work in this case because we are linking to 0x0, which isn't the real address. |
| 05:48:22 | kkurbjun | if you copied before you remaped that could work |
| 05:48:30 | kkurbjun | oh no |
| 05:48:32 | kkurbjun | nevermind |
| 05:49:21 | kkurbjun | so you rewrote the mmu map in asm or is there a way to direct it to inline the code after compiled? |
| 05:50:15 | aliask | I rewrote it. It was mostly simple loops and stuff, but I didn't enjoy it all the same (not very fluent in ASM) |
| 05:51:17 | kkurbjun | I can understand that, it'd be nice to be able to give a directive to inline a /branch/ instruction. |
| 05:51:59 | aliask | I know, it would have saved me a bit of time. |
| 05:53:57 | kkurbjun | if you have any questions on the way that the mrobe works let me know, it will be a bit different with your implementation, but I would be explain anything. |
| 05:54:06 | aliask | Do you know much about L2 cache? There's all this stuff in the bootloader which configures it all, but everything works fine if you remove it (it was taken from the linux bsp) |
| 05:55:07 | aliask | Basically I guess what I'm asking is, if we configure it and have it active will the CPU use it, or does rockbox have to specifically make use of it as with IRAM |
| 05:55:28 | aliask | In which case I may as well just leave it disabled for simplicity's sake. |
| 05:55:59 | kkurbjun | I'm not to sure about the IMX, what kind of calls are being used to set it up, are they coprocessor calls? |
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| 05:57:03 | aliask | Nope, looks like they're registers on the CPU, they all have defines |
| 05:57:33 | aliask | str r1, [r0, #L2_CACHE_AUX_CTL_REG] <−− stuff like that |
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| 05:58:19 | kkurbjun | hrm, yeah, I'm looking at that now, I've never seen anything like this on an arm, although I've only programmed for the DM320 and the S3c240 SOC's |
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| 06:02:23 | kkurbjun | I don't know what those nstructions are doing, but if it's possible it may be easier to use it as traditional IRAM |
| 06:02:50 | kkurbjun | or disable it like you suggested for now till you know more about what it does |
| 06:03:23 | aliask | I'll just leave it as it is, it doesn't seem to do any harm as it is |
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| 06:16:58 | aliask | kkurbjun: http://pastebin.ca/830716 Does that look correct to you? After linking to 0x0 main() isn't loading |
| 06:21:41 | kkurbjun | the gigabeat F does this |
| 06:21:48 | kkurbjun | in it's crt0.s |
| 06:22:00 | kkurbjun | the code is a bit different |
| 06:22:36 | kkurbjun | in the section that states that it's copying the bootloader to a safe area |
| 06:23:58 | kkurbjun | it relocates it and then forces the PC to a location before bl main is called |
| 06:24:51 | aliask | Is start_loc linked to a particular address in boot.lds? |
| 06:26:02 | kkurbjun | well, it's linked based on where the .text section is linked |
| 06:26:06 | kkurbjun | but it could change |
| 06:26:15 | kkurbjun | so if your .text starts at 0x0 |
| 06:26:35 | kkurbjun | it will load the address as if it starts there |
| 06:26:40 | kkurbjun | if you do it like the F does |
| 06:27:19 | kkurbjun | ldr pc,=start_loc start_loc: bl main |
| 06:28:13 | kkurbjun | if you do a bl main alone it might not use an absolue address |
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| 09:19:58 | petur | amiconn: yes I swa when I read the manual |
| 09:19:58 | amiconn | (and vanishing shortly after asking a question isn't nice) ;) |
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| 13:46:32 | webguest31 | i have tried switching my theme to icatcher as it says in the ipod 5g faq |
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| 14:09:12 | webguest31 | anyone here? |
| 14:09:24 | petur | yup |
| 14:09:40 | petur | webguest31: are you using database? |
| 14:09:43 | webguest31 | can i create playlists externally(using foobar2000 or some such) |
| 14:09:52 | webguest31 | petur: yes |
| 14:10:14 | webguest31 | have about 2k songs in it |
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| 14:10:33 | webguest31 | correction: 3152 |
| 14:11:06 | petur | I recently turned on database and this morning I had choppy playback after moving some files over to it, when its background operation stopped all was well again. So maybe there is an issue with the database |
| 14:11:20 | webguest31 | i don't have any background operations running |
| 14:11:34 | petur | disk not spinning? |
| 14:12:06 | webguest31 | the disk is spinning |
| 14:12:08 | webguest31 | but i dunno why |
| 14:12:24 | webguest31 | well a song is playing |
| 14:12:26 | webguest31 | so the disk would spin |
| 14:12:30 | petur | that could be some background stuff |
| 14:12:46 | petur | after buffering the song(s) the disk should spin down |
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| 14:13:55 | webguest32 | yes you are right |
| 14:13:58 | webguest32 | the disk has spun down |
| 14:14:17 | petur | and how is playback now? |
| 14:14:29 | webguest32 | normal |
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| 14:14:36 | webguest32 | but i don't want it skipping all the time like this |
| 14:14:45 | petur | using EQ? |
| 14:14:50 | webguest32 | o |
| 14:14:51 | webguest32 | no |
| 14:15:03 | petur | no idea then... |
| 14:16:42 | webguest32 | also as far as creating external playlists |
| 14:16:54 | webguest32 | use winamp and make a playlist? |
| 14:17:37 | webguest32 | or foobar2000 |
| 14:18:03 | petur | no idea there, never done it |
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| 14:51:39 | countrymonkey | What are the rbspeexenc options that configure wants? |
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| 14:54:00 | Frazz | is there a way to install new codecs on mp3 players easilly with no programing experience? |
| 14:57:02 | countrymonkey | yes, install rb |
| 14:58:38 | TroyMcClure | question, i know of rockboy for gamebox emulation, but what of NES, idarcnes for linux, but is there a way to use that under rockbox? |
| 14:59:12 | countrymonkey | no. If you have an ipod use ipod linux. |
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| 15:03:36 | TroyMcClure | k, already have, just wanting to be lazy :P |
| 15:04:33 | countrymonkey | stop! halt! if you tell me what ipod you have, I will build a custom build with a ness port |
| 15:04:53 | TroyMcClure | ipod 60g 5g |
| 15:05:17 | countrymonkey | do you want the build? I will do it for you. |
| 15:05:42 | TroyMcClure | so how would that work exactly, still using idarcnes, but just useable from rockbox? |
| 15:06:16 | TroyMcClure | yes, gladly, would it also include the other nifty hacks? |
| 15:06:30 | countrymonkey | You would click on the ness rom file. It is actually sness. Is that what you want? |
| 15:06:59 | TroyMcClure | sure, that would work awesome |
| 15:07:05 | countrymonkey | ,if you tell me what patch numbers you need I will include them in the build. And I will make voice files if needed. |
| 15:07:52 | TroyMcClure | never have used voice, patch numbers i am not familiar with that, where do i find them |
| 15:08:16 | countrymonkey | They are the fs numbers. Just tell me what the patches are called. |
| 15:09:31 | TroyMcClure | well, i was actually just sort of doing the evilG build, pretty much the ones included there |
| 15:10:18 | TroyMcClure | i haven´t really played with it though yet |
| 15:11:12 | TroyMcClure | http://evilg.cleansoap.org/README-Fusion.txt thats what is included there |
| 15:13:32 | countrymonkey | thanks. The fs #s should be there. You want me to patch them all plus the sness port? |
| 15:14:02 | TroyMcClure | sure, thats extememly nice of you |
| 15:14:16 | countrymonkey | no trouble. |
| 15:14:25 | countrymonkey | I'm bored |
| 15:15:02 | countrymonkey | this build is from 3/20! very old! |
| 15:15:06 | TroyMcClure | haha, well, glad i can be of service, so i am actually not to sure how to install a custom build though, is it a simple copy of the .rockbox file? i am using loader2 to load |
| 15:15:21 | TroyMcClure | oops, grabbed the wrong one |
| 15:15:45 | TroyMcClure | http://evilg.cleansoap.org/builds/5g/README-5G-20070914.txt |
| 15:15:51 | TroyMcClure | better :P |
| 15:16:18 | countrymonkey | Ok. I am actually going to compile under my environment. Do you have skype? |
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| 15:17:17 | TroyMcClure | na, don´t |
| 15:17:38 | countrymonkey | 9/14 is still old. Do you want me to compile under sept. 14 or the current build? |
| 15:18:07 | countrymonkey | No. I will do it. You are saving me from terminal bordom. |
| 15:19:29 | TroyMcClure | whichever you would think best |
| 15:19:36 | TroyMcClure | not to important to me |
| 15:20:41 | TroyMcClure | i actually have to run in about 10 minutes here, catch a train (dang christmas trains...) |
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| 15:21:50 | countrymonkey | irc me your e-mail address. I will send the build when it is ready. |
| 15:23:13 | TroyMcClure | wow, head not working, what is the / for private? in mirc |
| 15:23:21 | jharu | hiya markun! :D im still studyin the goddam unix codes... |
| 15:23:46 | jharu | intermediate ones i think... |
| 15:23:58 | petur | TroyMcClure: use /msg <nick> but you must be registerd |
| 15:24:35 | TroyMcClure | that is why it did not work :D |
| 15:24:48 | rvvs89 | TroyMcClure: /msg nickserv register <password> |
| 15:25:10 | rvvs89 | TroyMcClure: /msg nickserv help |
| 15:25:12 | rvvs89 | For more info |
| 15:26:14 | | Nick TroyMcClure is now known as TroyMcClure12 (n=addie@p548E889D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:27:42 | TroyMcClure12 | thank you all, must be off, have a great week everyone |
| 15:28:26 | countrymonkey | e-mail? |
| 15:28:49 | TroyMcClure12 | did you not just get it? |
| 15:28:53 | TroyMcClure12 | hmm... |
| 15:29:19 | TroyMcClure12 | i have been away from irc so long oh wow |
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| 15:30:53 | TroyMcClure12 | still here |
| 15:30:57 | TroyMcClure12 | you there? |
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| 15:31:14 | countrymonkey | yes |
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| 15:31:41 | countrymonkey | e-mail? |
| 15:31:49 | TroyMcClure12 | yeah, for some reason, i can not msg you... |
| 15:32:27 | countrymonkey | e-mail to: alwayscountry@jangala.com |
| 15:32:38 | pixelma | neither of you is registered to freenode... |
| 15:32:41 | kugel | Merry Christmas everyone |
| 15:32:50 | TroyMcClure12 | ach soo... both have to registered |
| 15:33:12 | countrymonkey | e-mail it to the e-mail I wrote above. |
| 15:33:15 | TroyMcClure12 | done |
| 15:33:53 | countrymonkey | thx. I will attach the build when it is ready. |
| 15:34:01 | petur | countrymonkey: this channel is logged and spidered by google, I hope you have a good spamfilter ;) |
| 15:34:04 | TroyMcClure12 | thanks, merry christmas to all! |
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| 15:34:41 | pixelma | if you are registered you can allow messages from unregistered users (it's in the freenode wiki or faqs |
| 15:34:43 | pixelma | ) |
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| 15:42:32 | petur | pixelma: did logbot talk to you? |
| 15:42:45 | pixelma | nope |
| 15:43:11 | petur | I tried playback after recording on my H10 5GB and it worked fine |
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| 15:46:10 | pixelma | thanks for testing, I think people reported it who tried on Ipods so I thought it could be problematic on H10s as well |
| 15:46:17 | petur | anyway - I'm on holiday soon, back in a week :) |
| 15:46:33 | pixelma | but will shortly leave fo christmas today... :) |
| 15:46:38 | pixelma | *for |
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| 15:47:16 | * | pixelma wishes Merry Christmas to everyone and leaves too |
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| 15:51:11 | Exidus | morning all |
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| 15:54:45 | countrymonkey | WHAT'S UP? |
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| 15:56:03 | Exidus | ahh |
| 15:56:07 | Exidus | well I have a problem lol |
| 15:56:26 | Exidus | I've managed to screw up my iPod |
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| 15:56:43 | Exidus | think you might be able to help? |
| 15:56:53 | Exidus | i broke it trying to remove rockbox |
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| 15:57:02 | countrymonkey | YES. I OWN AN IPOD. WHAT DOESN'T WORK? |
| 15:57:10 | Exidus | Why the caps? |
| 15:57:26 | countrymonkey | sorry, didn't notice capslock. |
| 15:57:31 | Exidus | It doesn't recognize the music on it |
| 15:57:43 | countrymonkey | itunes or rb? |
| 15:57:52 | Exidus | I'm trying to take rockbox off |
| 15:57:55 | Exidus | that's what broke it |
| 15:58:19 | countrymonkey | what won't recognise the music? |
| 15:58:26 | Exidus | the ipod |
| 15:58:55 | countrymonkey | under the original software from apple? |
| 15:59:07 | Exidus | Uhh under ANYTHING |
| 15:59:08 | Exidus | the |
| 15:59:09 | Exidus | ipod |
| 15:59:10 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Exidus |
| 15:59:10 | Exidus | doesn't |
| 15:59:13 | Exidus | recognize |
| 15:59:13 | Exidus | the |
| 15:59:16 | Exidus | music |
| 15:59:18 | Exidus | ... |
| 15:59:32 | countrymonkey | did you use filetree browser under rb or database? |
| 15:59:39 | Exidus | Hmmm? |
| 15:59:47 | Exidus | I'm not following you |
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| 16:00:07 | countrymonkey | did you transfer this music with itunes? |
| 16:00:23 | Exidus | the music was on the ipod before rockbox |
| 16:00:30 | Exidus | If that answers your question |
| 16:00:56 | countrymonkey | yes, it does. Is all the music in the itunes library? |
| 16:01:02 | Exidus | Umm yes |
| 16:01:08 | Exidus | I never put anything on with rb |
| 16:01:35 | countrymonkey | Did you remember to take off the boatloader? |
| 16:01:39 | Exidus | I don't know how |
| 16:01:43 | Exidus | I've been trying |
| 16:01:54 | Exidus | I can find like zero rockbox support |
| 16:02:00 | Exidus | That's why I want to be rid of it |
| 16:02:00 | rvvs89 | Exidus: I explained to you how to remove the bootloader |
| 16:02:05 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 16:02:05 | * | Exidus sighs |
| 16:02:10 | Exidus | no one was talking to you rvvs89 |
| 16:02:18 | rvvs89 | You were, actually |
| 16:02:19 | countrymonkey | restore your ipod and retransfer the music. |
| 16:02:22 | Exidus | No |
| 16:02:23 | Exidus | I wasn't |
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| 16:02:30 | Exidus | wow you people... |
| 16:02:33 | rvvs89 | Funny, I seem to remember you in #ipodlinux |
| 16:02:38 | Exidus | Uhh |
| 16:02:43 | Exidus | look around moron |
| 16:02:47 | Exidus | no one was talking to you |
| 16:03:02 | rvvs89 | I really don't appreciate someone insulting me when I'm trying to help them |
| 16:03:10 | Exidus | Is you people's first suggestion ALWAYS to just delete everything? |
| 16:03:14 | countrymonkey | estore the ipod |
| 16:03:17 | * | Exidus sighs |
| 16:03:29 | Exidus | this is exactly what I'm talking about |
| 16:03:30 | rvvs89 | If you ask Apple, I'm sure it's the first thing they'll suggest |
| 16:03:41 | Exidus | ahha yeah because they're morons |
| 16:03:43 | Exidus | mmmk |
| 16:03:54 | Exidus | I'm gonna go find someone usefull |
| 16:03:58 | Exidus | ]o |
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| 16:04:10 | countrymonkey | download ipodpatcher and go into it. When it asks you the question, type I instead of Y. |
| 16:04:17 | countrymonkey | I mean U. |
| 16:04:52 | countrymonkey | Some people! I'm trying to help! |
| 16:05:04 | Shaid | There's no pleasing some people. |
| 16:05:14 | Shaid | This is why I vow never to work in customer support. |
| 16:05:27 | Shaid | 'cause it's never THEIR fault, now is it? *rolls eyes* |
| 16:05:52 | countrymonkey | This irc channel is basicly a support line... |
| 16:05:52 | rvvs89 | Yeah, there's like zero rockbox support, hey |
| 16:06:16 | countrymonkey | not fair! |
| 16:10:17 | Axio | hi guys i try to have pictureflow but i have an error "could not allocate temporary buffers" |
| 16:10:22 | Axio | what's the problem ? |
| 16:11:12 | DogBoy | heh |
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| 16:23:29 | SliMM | hello |
| 16:24:13 | countrymonkey | hey |
| 16:25:13 | SliMM | when the database is initializing ("Building database... %d found") etc., if i use the scrollwheel (ipod 5G 30gb), the number of tags found increases faster |
| 16:26:08 | SliMM | why's that? |
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| 16:30:12 | rvvs89 | SliMM: Perhaps the interrupts caused by using the wheel cause the rockbox scheduler to allocate more time to the database builder |
| 16:33:57 | SliMM | rvvs89: ok.. ^_^ |
| 16:35:04 | Slasheri | SliMM: it shouldn't increase faster, it just updates more frequently |
| 16:35:05 | rvvs89 | That's just pure speculation though :/ |
| 16:35:28 | Slasheri | and in fact increases slower |
| 16:35:28 | rvvs89 | Oh, of course, that makes quite a lot more sense |
| 16:35:43 | SliMM | Slasheri: yeah, i couldn't figure that out because i ran out of battery |
| 16:35:55 | SliMM | i need a full charge for database generation :)) |
| 16:36:10 | Slasheri | that happens on iriver too and isn't really a bug :) |
| 16:36:24 | Slasheri | huh :D |
| 16:36:38 | SliMM | Slasheri: never said it was |
| 16:37:06 | Slasheri | i know :) |
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| 17:43:50 | Angelofwar | hey guys |
| 17:44:43 | Angelofwar | does anyone know how to reverse the usual bootup of the ipod with rockbox installed |
| 17:44:56 | Angelofwar | so like when you press hold it boots up the rockbox firmware |
| 17:45:11 | Angelofwar | and when it's normal you boot up the Apple OS |
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| 17:45:32 | Soap | compile a new bootloader. |
| 17:45:47 | Angelofwar | I figured as much |
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| 17:45:53 | Angelofwar | is there a premade version that allows me to do this? |
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| 17:46:04 | Soap | or perhaps there is still a reverse bootloader in the Unsupported Builds forum. Make sure you note the word 'Unsupported' ;) |
| 17:46:08 | Angelofwar | I am not that technically oriented that I can compile my own |
| 17:46:15 | Angelofwar | I could try though if it's the only way |
| 17:46:38 | Angelofwar | hmm I'll have a look around |
| 17:46:50 | Angelofwar | I used to use the ipodbootloader2 from the ipodlinux folks |
| 17:46:56 | Angelofwar | but that doesn't seem to be workign for me anymore |
| 17:47:04 | Angelofwar | oh well |
| 17:47:07 | Soap | a point to consider, though, is that Apple firmware sleeps (unless you don't use it for an extended period of time) so under normal useage you only need to boot into the Apple firmware once, and then it will stay in Apple firmware. |
| 17:48:09 | Angelofwar | I'm aware of that |
| 17:48:20 | Angelofwar | but I would still like to simply have it be the default version |
| 17:48:31 | Angelofwar | I'll do some research later but for now I have to go |
| 17:48:33 | Angelofwar | thanks for the help |
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| 19:14:04 | countrymonkey | What do I edit to create a reverse bootloader? |
| 19:14:28 | * | countrymonkey goes to the bathroom, hoping there will be an answer when I come back. |
| 19:19:57 | krazykit | countrymonkey, 1) we don't need to know when you go to the bathroom. 2) there is someone that provides a reverseBL. just ask them for the source code and you can figure it out yourself |
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| 19:22:42 | countrymonkey | who has the coad? |
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| 19:23:16 | krazykit | countrymonkey, i don't know, use the damn search button for once. |
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| 20:08:06 | J-23 | Hello! |
| 20:08:54 | J-23 | I can't connect my Sansa c240 to computer. Player sees power, but it doesn't share disc/memory card. |
| 20:09:16 | krazykit | are you booted into the original firmware? |
| 20:09:59 | J-23 | Yes. |
| 20:10:07 | J-23 | but it starts radio or music player |
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| 20:12:58 | J-23 | now it doesn't run players, but it doesn't share disc too. |
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| 20:14:45 | Mouser_X | Have you tried turning off your c240, and plugging in the cable while it's turned off? |
| 20:15:01 | Mouser_X | (And then plugging it into the USB port on your computer) |
| 20:15:12 | J-23 | Yes, i've tried it. |
| 20:15:51 | Mouser_X | Have you tried a different USB port? Have you tried rebooting your machine? |
| 20:15:59 | Mouser_X | *computer |
| 20:16:02 | J-23 | No, no. |
| 20:16:23 | Mouser_X | Give that a try. |
| 20:16:42 | Mouser_X | (Not saying it will work, but I can't see how it will hurt.) |
| 20:16:53 | Mouser_X | (And, it might work.) |
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| 20:22:39 | J-23 | I've tried reboot. It still doesn't work. |
| 20:22:39 | Mouser_X | J-23: Any luck? |
| 20:22:44 | Mouser_X | Dang. |
| 20:23:08 | Mouser_X | So, what happens on you c240 when you try to connect, and what happens on your PC? |
| 20:23:18 | * | J-23 tries connecting without MicroSD card |
| 20:23:45 | J-23 | on PC - nothing. System doesn't see player (lsusb) |
| 20:24:00 | J-23 | in /dev/sd* I see only hard drives |
| 20:24:34 | Mouser_X | You're on Linux? I wasn't aware... I've never used Linux... |
| 20:24:43 | J-23 | It works without card :| |
| 20:24:57 | Mouser_X | That's odd... Annoying as well, I'm sure. |
| 20:24:59 | JdGordon | sdhc card? |
| 20:25:04 | J-23 | microSD |
| 20:25:08 | JdGordon | how big? |
| 20:25:14 | J-23 | 1GB |
| 20:25:18 | JdGordon | hmm.. odd |
| 20:25:44 | J-23 | produced by Kingston |
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| 20:27:30 | J-23 | I have inserted card after connecting player to computer. It works. |
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| 20:32:16 | * | J-23 reads friendly manual ;) |
| 20:32:22 | J-23 | It's really friendly |
| 20:33:07 | krazykit | unlike some, the Rockbox manual is really very good, thanks to those that take the time to contribuute :) |
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| 20:34:06 | JdGordon | .. or in spite of those that take the time to contribuute :) |
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| 20:41:57 | JdGordon | no |
| 20:42:01 | JdGordon | c only |
| 20:42:13 | J-23 | :/ |
| 20:42:47 | krazykit | J-23, unless you write a perl interpreter as a plugin in C ;-) |
| 20:42:59 | J-23 | ;) |
| 20:43:50 | * | J-23 wants to port Linux for c200 Sansas... but he doesn't know how he can do it ;) |
| 20:44:03 | JdGordon | why would you want to? |
| 20:44:26 | JdGordon | its not exaclty a powerful device |
| 20:44:33 | J-23 | hmm... |
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| 21:26:19 | ddalton | I just got a sansa e200. How do I find out where it is connected so I can mount it? |
| 21:26:23 | ddalton | on linux of course |
| 21:26:36 | bjorn` | dmesg |
| 21:26:44 | J-23 | fdisk -l |
| 21:26:47 | J-23 | from root. |
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| 21:36:53 | ddalton | thanks. dmesg worked. but there isn't enough power for it. |
| 21:37:59 | advcomp2019 | ddalton, are you going thru a hub or straight to a usb port |
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| 21:43:46 | ddalton | hub. |
| 21:43:58 | ddalton | connected to usb 1.1 |
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| 21:44:18 | advcomp2019 | is that hub bus or self powered |
| 21:45:26 | ddalton | not sure. I don't think its self-powed. so now im trying just in the actual system's port. |
| 21:47:50 | ddalton | so how do I find out where it is like in /dev and what fs it is? |
| 21:48:00 | ddalton | dmesg says sdb and sda... |
| 21:49:13 | krazykit | ddalton, at this point, it's not a rockbox problem but a "basic usage" problem. |
| 21:49:21 | ddalton | wait I think I got something to mount... |
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| 21:49:44 | ddalton | I have mounted devices before... |
| 21:50:58 | ddalton | and does the sansa have no partitions? so I just mount sda and should see sys files I think they are? |
| 21:51:14 | krazykit | ddalton, your sansa might be in MTP mode. |
| 21:51:34 | krazykit | besides, you have to mount a partition, not a device, so you'd mount sda1 |
| 21:53:12 | ddalton | do you know where the usb settings are in the of? I am blind and need to direct a sighted friend. |
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| 21:55:04 | krazykit | the instructions are in the mailing list several times, but if your friend is on hand, it should be in Settings -> USB Mode |
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| 21:58:14 | ddalton | settings with music options? there wasn't a usb mode option. |
| 21:59:41 | krazykit | it's the bottommost item in the Settings menu |
| 21:59:54 | advcomp2019 | what firmware version is on it |
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| 22:00:27 | krazykit | that part is in Settings -> Info, ddalton |
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| 22:07:10 | ddalton | fifirmware version: v0.3.01.11a |
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| 22:07:23 | ddalton | and its not the last item in settings. its not there. |
| 22:07:28 | ddalton | and its not in info... |
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| 22:07:52 | krazykit | ddalton, then i believe you have a sansa v2, which isn't supported. |
| 22:07:53 | advcomp2019 | ddalton, it is a v2 |
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| 22:08:35 | ddalton | so I can't use rockbox on it at all? |
| 22:08:47 | krazykit | that's what "not supported" means. |
| 22:09:07 | ddalton | and where does it say that on the rockbox website? |
| 22:09:19 | advcomp2019 | on the homepage |
| 22:09:23 | ddalton | my system recognises it as a sand disk e280 |
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| 22:10:36 | ddalton | ok and how can I be sure its a v2? |
| 22:10:45 | krazykit | ddalton, the firmware version IS the way to be sure. |
| 22:11:01 | ddalton | so 03 is bad? |
| 22:11:20 | krazykit | for your purposes, yes. |
| 22:11:56 | ddalton | and is it a lot different to the other moddel? will there be a version of rockbox for it soon? or is there no progress |
| 22:12:17 | advcomp2019 | ddalton, no progress yet |
| 22:12:49 | krazykit | ddalton, it's a completely different system on chip. keep an eye on the thread in the New Ports forum for more information |
| 22:12:52 | advcomp2019 | ddalton, another thing is they have different hardware |
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| 22:16:21 | ddalton | are they the same size? |
| 22:16:28 | ddalton | the units |
| 22:16:43 | krazykit | they're identical except for different internal hardware and firmware versions. |
| 22:17:07 | ddalton | what firmware version should a v1 have? |
| 22:17:20 | krazykit | 01.xx.xx, i believe |
| 22:17:44 | advcomp2019 | ddalton, yea, 1.xx.xx |
| 22:23:22 | ddalton | so what do I do? I am blind and the of is useless to me. will it be likely a port will be made soon or should I sell it and get a v1? |
| 22:24:03 | krazykit | sell it and get a v1 is the better option right now. |
| 22:24:06 | Llorean | There is no guarantee a port will be finished, ever. Look at the iFP, it got so far that music was even partially working, but never really got up to a "usable" state. |
| 22:24:24 | Llorean | If you want to be sure you can use something, the only good option is to get a player that already works. |
| 22:25:01 | ddalton | ok so what are they worth. If I sold this on ebay (v2 e280) is it the same as a v1 e280? like roughly the same price? |
| 22:25:27 | krazykit | since the end user doesn't really know the difference, they're going to be the same price |
| 22:25:50 | ddalton | ok so I shouldn't loose too much if I do it through ebay? |
| 22:26:27 | linuxstb | You can't return it to the shop? |
| 22:26:59 | ddalton | no I think its off ebay... |
| 22:27:04 | ddalton | and why not? |
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| 23:12:20 | countrymonkey | I wish to know how to install rbutil compilers. I unzipped the 48 mb qt4 zip file for win32, and now what? |
| 23:14:16 | krazykit | you search the wiki: there should be compile instructions on the RockboxUtility page |
| 23:15:01 | countrymonkey | I checked that. It just said get qt 4.3. Nothing about how to install the thing |
| 23:15:15 | krazykit | that's a QT problem, not a rockbox problem. |
| 23:16:04 | krazykit | countrymonkey, assuming you're using cygwin, google for qt4 cygwin or something. that should help. |
| 23:16:34 | countrymonkey | thanks a lot |
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| 23:20:47 | JdGordon | are replaygain settings grouped with sound settings? (e.g volume, treble etc...) |
| 23:20:57 | JdGordon | and crossfade/feed |
| 23:21:51 | countrymonkey | replaygain and crossfade are in general settings/playback and crossfeed is in sound settings. |
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| 23:22:47 | ddalton | Hi again. |
| 23:23:03 | ddalton | ok if I was going to do a new port to the e280 v2. what would be required? |
| 23:23:11 | ddalton | would been a blind coder be an issue? |
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| 23:23:54 | countrymonkey | disassemble the parts, look at the firmware partition, that sort of stuff. I think it would, being blind myself. |
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| 23:26:05 | ddalton | ok so and then once I find out about all the parts and everything what is required? about the firmware partitions? |
| 23:26:21 | Mouser_X | ddalton: To my knowledge, what you'd have to do is dismantle the e280v2 to see what hardware it has (this may already have been done, look around). If the hardware is known (as in, has been seen before, and has some form of documentation, either officially, or otherwise), then that makes things easier. |
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| 23:27:13 | countrymonkey | try to decript the firmware (more than likely it is encrypted) |
| 23:27:16 | Mouser_X | However, for the stuff that's unkonwn (which will most likely be most of it), you'll have to dump the firmware, decrypt it (if it's encrypted), and then disassemble it. |
| 23:27:40 | ddalton | sure. and then do I need to work out how the bootloader works write my own one and then get it to boot or something? |
| 23:27:44 | Bagder | it's not encrypted |
| 23:27:54 | Bagder | and I've almost figured out the file format |
| 23:28:10 | countrymonkey | cool. |
| 23:28:30 | Bagder | and I have docs for the main SoC |
| 23:28:31 | Mouser_X | Then, by reading through the disassembly, you'd need to figure out what it's doing, and how it's doing it. Once you've got that, then you need to figure out how to run custom code on the device (that is, run unsigned software). |
| 23:28:40 | ddalton | Bagder: is this about the e200 v2? if so would I be able to help out at all with a port? |
| 23:28:56 | Bagder | ddalton: that goes for all the sansa v2s and they all use AS3525 |
| 23:29:17 | Bagder | I have no v2 myself though |
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| 23:29:49 | ddalton | oh so has someone pulled it a part and investigated the hardware? |
| 23:30:17 | Mouser_X | ddalton: Most likely. I think Bagder has some info on that. |
| 23:30:30 | * | linuxstb wonders what's inside the Sansa Shaker ;) |
| 23:30:49 | Mouser_X | (I thought I saw something about it, but I could be wrong.) <- @ e200v2. |
| 23:30:54 | ddalton | because as I said before. I would be happy to help out and improve my programming skills but I am obviously limited with what I can do. |
| 23:31:00 | Bagder | ddalton: I've seen some photos of the internals and we've digged around in the firmware files available |
| 23:31:28 | ddalton | Bagder: sadly photos are useless to me :-( |
| 23:31:33 | Bagder | ddalton: the next step now is most probably to see if we can get a e200v2 to run code/firmware we've modified |
| 23:31:38 | ddalton | Bagder: I am blind |
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| 23:32:44 | advcomp2019 | linuxstb, the sansa shaker would be a nice thing to find out |
| 23:32:49 | Bagder | ddalton: I'm just not sure if there's a recovery mode in the same way the original e200 has it |
| 23:33:00 | ddalton | but I have always wanted to do something like this. I am sure I could get some info and there may be ways around this. Perhaps I could work on usb drivers? or sound? |
| 23:33:34 | linuxstb | Bagder: Do the docs talk about any kind of usb boot mode? |
| 23:33:41 | Bagder | linuxstb: nope |
| 23:33:47 | ddalton | ok well as I said im totally blind. But would you be interested in my help? |
| 23:33:52 | ddalton | or any help I could give? |
| 23:33:57 | Bagder | it's not very detailed on booting at all in fact |
| 23:35:06 | ddalton | with getting sound working do you need to work out how the sound chips or whatever work? isn't it pcm? I doubt they have a soundcard do they? |
| 23:35:07 | Bagder | ddalton: well, I don't have a v2 myself so I'm just throwing out ideas on what can be done, I'm not likely to do them myself within the nearest time |
| 23:35:19 | linuxstb | I wonder if AMS would be helpful if we asked them questions... |
| 23:35:42 | Bagder | their response to my mail was very friendly and seemed open minded |
| 23:36:06 | linuxstb | Is it just dan_a that owns one of the AS3525 devices at the moment? |
| 23:36:18 | Bagder | yes, afaik |
| 23:36:51 | ddalton | Bagder: sure. could I email sand disk and perhaps get some extra information on the hardware? do you think saying that rockbox gives a blind user access to there mp3 player and they can do pretty much everything. and with the of its fairly useless? |
| 23:36:55 | ddalton | better wording. |
| 23:37:10 | ddalton | and should I also say I am a blind coder or will they refuse to give any info |
| 23:37:56 | krazykit | i don't think that would affect their decision either way. they probably are not allowed to release more information by the licensing agreements. |
| 23:38:06 | Bagder | ddalton: first, as I already said we have docs for the main chip and that should do to start with. But then I also don't think sandisk will tell you any details on their file format and not about their hw either. |
| 23:38:41 | Bagder | I even have a fairly good contact at sandisk, and he never provides any tech details... |
| 23:39:00 | Bagder | I guess that makes him a not so good contact ;-) |
| 23:39:09 | linuxstb | ;) |
| 23:39:26 | linuxstb | I assume he hasn't sent you more free toys either? |
| 23:39:33 | Bagder | no |
| 23:39:52 | Bagder | and I mailed him a bunch of v2 questions about two weeks ago that he didn't reply to... :-( |
| 23:39:55 | JdGordon | are there any devs left that dont have a e200 yet? |
| 23:40:20 | Bagder | plenty I'd guess |
| 23:40:23 | * | linuxstb raises hand |
| 23:40:39 | JdGordon | linuxstb: you want one? |
| 23:40:59 | linuxstb | Not really. |
| 23:41:42 | linuxstb | I need to try and concentrate on one player and not get distracted with new things... |
| 23:42:13 | JdGordon | :) like that elio one? |
| 23:42:31 | * | linuxstb hides |
| 23:43:27 | JdGordon | oh.. anything happened with viewports? |
| 23:44:23 | linuxstb | Not really, but I've got hacking time available over the next two weeks, so will probably work on them. |
| 23:44:35 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, are there news on the logikdax port? |
| 23:45:09 | linuxstb | That's the other thing (with viewports) I want to work on in the next couple of weeks. |
| 23:45:48 | ddalton | Bagder: so we need to figure all that stuff out? |
| 23:46:28 | Bagder | ddalton: we need to figure out the file format and recovery mode and then test upgrading to a firmware file in which we modified a few strings or similar |
| 23:47:03 | Bagder | ddalton: when that works (recovery + own mods) we can start working on bootloader for further debugging etc |
| 23:47:17 | ddalton | I thought I read somewhere sansa were interested in helping the rockbox devs with info? like hardware docs? i think it was last year or something and there was a confrence |
| 23:47:31 | Bagder | ddalton: that was never the case |
| 23:47:52 | Bagder | they gave us a few players, but never any info |
| 23:48:08 | Bagder | the info came from AMS |
| 23:48:09 | ddalton | so you modify the of slightly to besure you have the correct method of updating fw? |
| 23:48:16 | ddalton | sure |
| 23:48:48 | Bagder | ddalton: correct, by checking if we can modify a string or so we verify that our own "firmware generator" works with checksums etc |
| 23:49:22 | ddalton | yep ok and then how does that help rockbox? I thought the of runs from flash and rockbox runs from hdd? |
| 23:49:37 | ddalton | not hdd. flash memory |
| 23:49:40 | Bagder | ddalton: when that works (recovery + own mods) we can start working on bootloader for further debugging etc |
| 23:50:00 | ddalton | so first rockbox will run like the of in flash or something? |
| 23:50:33 | Bagder | ddalton: I don't understand the question actually |
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| 23:51:30 | ddalton | Bagder: well how does rockbox run first? does it run from the .rockbox directory which is on the flash memory where I guess you put music or where the of runs. (Doesn't that run in rom or ram?) |
| 23:51:53 | Bagder | ddalton: rockbox doesn't run first, the bootloader runs first |
| 23:51:57 | ddalton | I thought the of doesn't actually run on the flash memory where music is stored. |
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| 23:52:28 | Bagder | ddalton: in most of the recent targets, we make a bootloader firmware that we "upgrade" the player to, and then that bootloader can start rockbox or the OF |
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| 23:52:42 | ddalton | so to begin with once we can successfully change strings in the of and it works. what is next step? to work on a bootloader? |
| 23:52:59 | Bagder | ddalton: that bootloader upgrade is usually stored in the NAND flash on flash-based players |
| 23:53:29 | Bagder | ddalton: yes, assuming we have a recovery mode in which you can restore the OF if you try a really bad bootloader code! |
| 23:53:41 | ddalton | ok so rockbox will always run from the memory where you would place your files like music, photos and video? |
| 23:54:27 | ddalton | ok so we first work on a recovery mode before anything else? or is that step 2? |
| 23:55:12 | Bagder | ddalton: well, testing a slightly modified OF should be harmless so that can be done independent of a recovery mode, but a recovery mode really is wanted before you try anything adventurous |
| 23:55:41 | Bagder | or jtag access or other dev-style access |
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| 23:56:30 | webguest12 | jdgordon:broken builds... |
| 23:56:31 | ddalton | Bagder: Ok well I do want to help. But been blind obviously doesn't help. so is the first step to basically work out the format of the firmware file which I could do on my linux box? |
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| 23:56:48 | Bagder | ddalton: yes |
| 23:57:11 | ddalton | Bagder: So blindness shouldn't be an issue there? |
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| 23:57:23 | Bagder | ddalton: on my v2 page there's the info about the file format as far as I've collected it so far |
| 23:58:01 | ddalton | ok and do you have an url for that? I probably don't have time to read it now. (Its christmas day) but went I get a chance I will. |
| 23:58:12 | Bagder | ddalton: well, I don't know how good you work on these things when you're blind, but you can always try even if I really couldn't to it without reading ;-) |
| 23:58:12 | ddalton | when |
| 23:58:37 | Bagder | ddalton: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html see the "Firmware File Format" towards the end |
| 23:58:42 | ddalton | so to work out the file format do you just google for stuff and read the file with a text editor and try to see what it does? |
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