| 00:00:01 | advcomp2019 | manat33, do you have a link? |
| 00:00:09 | manat33 | supports mp3, asf, wav, wma,wmv |
| 00:00:16 | manat33 | just a sec |
| 00:01:13 | manat33 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq4BUlQIZzU |
| 00:01:43 | manat33 | their homepage is http://www.techsupportspi.com |
| 00:04:46 | Bagder | that site seems to be located on the moon judging from its speed |
| 00:05:00 | manat33 | indeed |
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| 00:06:13 | dapatil | why can't rockbox run on the 3rd gen nano ? |
| 00:06:30 | Bagder | dapatil: because nobody ported rockbox to that target |
| 00:07:22 | Workaphobia | dapatil: I believe it's because apple put more restrictions on the hardware, so that it won't play unauthorized firmwares. If that's not the case, I'd be very happy, as I have that model. |
| 00:08:19 | dapatil | are there tools available to disassemble apple firmware ? |
| 00:10:35 | Bagder | I would say that by asking that question makes you not the man to attempt this... |
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| 00:13:28 | dapatil | Badger: I can always try. I may not succeed. But I'll definitely learn a lot in the process. |
| 00:13:59 | Bagder | if I'm not mistaking, that firmware is encrypted on disk |
| 00:14:19 | Bagder | "disk" being the nand |
| 00:14:47 | Bagder | but it has an ARM core so anything that can disassemble ARM code is possible to use |
| 00:15:00 | Bagder | from objdump to IDA pro |
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| 00:17:21 | dapatil | Badger: thanks. |
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| 00:32:40 | edistar | hi there, I have a question. I installed rockbox on my ipod nano 1G and it works very well.. but everytime I disable hold I have to wait a few seconds(and press buttons?) before it starts reacting, is that a bug or normal? |
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| 00:33:42 | waldo | Recently got a sansa c200 .. in the software it says its version 01.00.03E .. is that one 'rockboxable' ? |
| 00:33:59 | waldo | it didn't say V2 on the box .. so im keeping my fingers crossed |
| 00:34:10 | Bagder | yes it is |
| 00:34:15 | Bagder | rockboxable I mean |
| 00:34:26 | waldo | tnx and whooohooo .. :P |
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| 00:42:28 | waldo | Bagder: can i install rockbox with the player set to MSC mode ? 'cause otherwise it doesn't always show up in my linux ... or after a VERY long wait |
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| 00:45:03 | advcomp2019 | waldo, you need to in MSC mode to install rockbox |
| 00:46:36 | waldo | k, that's good ;) ... now i do have 2 other questions 1. it says my bootloader is up-to-date .. so i'll leave that for what it is .. right ? 2. i get a download error (http error 41) |
| 00:48:08 | waldo | i've never heard of http error 41 .. do they mean 401 ? cause that would be acces denied or something linke that :S |
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| 00:50:43 | waldo | nvm ... restarted rbutilqt ... fixed it :) |
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| 00:58:14 | waldo | trying tro get rbutilqt to install it .. put the player in MSC mode ... rbutilqt detects it .. after putting in the right mountpoint ... then when i want to do a full install it says there is already an up-to-date bootloader on my player (new player never had rockbox on it) so i tell it to install it anyways ... wich ends up with a message about an 'unsupported install method' .. what am i missing ? |
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| 01:08:28 | amiconn | Gah, typical |
| 01:08:38 | amiconn | M3 OF can't even play mp3 gapless |
| 01:09:05 | rasher | Did you honestly expect it to? |
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| 01:10:19 | amiconn | Not sure what to expect, really... the ooold archoses did gapless in the OF (-nogap style only, of course) |
| 01:15:36 | waldo | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/linux64amd64/sansapatcher ==> gives me a 404 .. where else can i get the patcher ? |
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| 01:24:26 | Llorean | waldo: Try using the 32-bit linux one, or compile your own |
| 01:25:07 | waldo | .. on a 64bit linux :) .. building ... tnx |
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| 01:26:06 | Llorean | waldo: Being on 64-bit linux doesn't strictly mean you can't execute 32-bit binaries. |
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| 01:26:41 | waldo | .. i know .. but seeing as how this will be writing raw (from what i've read) .. i'm not going to fuck around :P |
| 01:27:02 | waldo | also .. does it need to be mounted when trying to use sansapatcher ? |
| 01:27:47 | waldo | nvm .. just had to replug it |
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| 01:40:31 | waldo | k .. it works ... almost ... i have rockbox runnign ... even the games work .. and even the fm tuner i didn't find in the orig software is working fine .. it just CRASHES completely when i plug in the usb cable :S |
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| 01:41:47 | waldo | my bad .... need to turn it of first i just saw |
| 01:41:54 | waldo | .. making a fool of myself here :D |
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| 02:40:14 | ddalton | how do I tell the difference between an ipod clasic and an ipod video 5.5 gen 80 gb? |
| 02:40:54 | Shaid | they look completely different |
| 02:41:22 | Shaid | the classic has a more rounded edge finish |
| 02:41:28 | waldo | .... just wanted to say .. FUCKING HELL this is GREAT software .. thanks a shitload to everyone that coded to get this working .. only got it running an hour and already i LOVE it :) |
| 02:41:50 | waldo | oh that .. and ... merry chrismas |
| 02:41:53 | ddalton | is the clasic thinner than the 5.5 gen 80 gv? |
| 02:42:07 | Shaid | have you turned it on, ddalton? |
| 02:42:11 | Shaid | the classic has a new menu system |
| 02:42:17 | Shaid | with images on the right, and the menu on the left. |
| 02:42:22 | ddalton | no its a friend's and his blind like me |
| 02:43:24 | Shaid | oh, that could make it harder |
| 02:43:31 | Shaid | the 5.5g has a flat front |
| 02:43:48 | ddalton | yep I could tell the difference between the nanos. but haven't found anything on the clasic. |
| 02:43:59 | ddalton | so what were you saying about the edges? |
| 02:44:13 | midkay | 5.5g = flat, plastic front with hard edges.. classic = aluminum front with rounded edges.. |
| 02:44:15 | ddalton | and which one is thinner? |
| 02:44:24 | midkay | they're about the same thickness. |
| 02:44:45 | midkay | by "the edges" i mean where the front meets the sides.. |
| 02:45:07 | midkay | it's a right angle on the 5.5gs, but the classics are rounded. |
| 02:45:38 | ddalton | where are the images on the 5.5 gen? |
| 02:45:56 | midkay | sorry? |
| 02:49:35 | ddalton | I am pretty sure it is a clasic. but any other ways to be 100% sure? he can get sighted help too. |
| 02:51:42 | ddalton | ok I am blind. But could someone find me a clasic photo and a video photo? |
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| 02:52:11 | jangofett | hi there |
| 02:52:18 | jangofett | i get a lot of skipping in my rockbox |
| 02:52:22 | jangofett | can anyone give me some advice? |
| 02:53:13 | jangofett | i have tried switching themes to a minimalistic theme(dosblue) and turned off everything i thought could be causing it |
| 02:55:35 | ddalton | no one can help me find two photos? |
| 02:55:49 | ddalton | one of ipod video 5.5 gen 80 gb nd clasic 80 gb? |
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| 02:59:08 | advcomp2019 | ddalton, here is a photo.. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/19/20070913_iPod_5-6_Gen_artist_view_side-by-side.JPG |
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| 03:02:14 | ddalton | THX. so which one is the video and which is the clasic? |
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| 03:03:21 | advcomp2019 | the one on the left is the classic and the right one is the video |
| 03:03:47 | ddalton | ok thanks. |
| 03:03:59 | ddalton | Ill send it to him. |
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| 03:11:52 | ddalton | anyone know of a jpg viewer for the cli? |
| 03:13:43 | psycho_maniac | What would one think about a PlayersSupported and PlayersNotSupported wiki pages? |
| 03:13:57 | * | zicho is away: I'm busy |
| 03:14:15 | ddalton | if its not a supported player its not listed on the front page... |
| 03:14:22 | ddalton | whats wrong with the list on the home page? |
| 03:14:47 | psycho_maniac | it seems that people arent reading the front page. |
| 03:15:17 | ddalton | whats going to make them read a harder to find wiki page then? |
| 03:15:35 | advcomp2019 | psycho_maniac, that page could be long |
| 03:16:13 | psycho_maniac | and when people ask in the forums if the new classic ipods are supported you could just link to the PlayersNotSupported wiki page and then lock the thread like a recent thread. |
| 03:16:53 | ddalton | and if you listed all the unsupported player are you going to talk about every single player like the little creative that came out 5 years ago that is 128 mb? |
| 03:17:14 | psycho_maniac | just probably the most recent players |
| 03:17:53 | ddalton | if it doesn't say the ipod clasic is supported on the front page then why would people think it is? |
| 03:18:09 | psycho_maniac | Dont ask me ask the people that do ask. |
| 03:18:47 | ddalton | why not just say this? "See rockbox.org for a list of supported players." |
| 03:19:49 | psycho_maniac | i wish the people would actually read and this wouldnt be a problem. |
| 03:20:11 | ddalton | well you will still have the same problem with your wiki page. |
| 03:20:31 | ddalton | you are telling them to read it. they don't find it. why not tell them to read the front home page? |
| 03:22:50 | psycho_maniac | ok |
| 03:23:22 | ddalton | well I was just trying to tell you my opinion. I can't really see it helping unfortunately. |
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| 03:23:40 | webguest14 | ChanServ: Mm. Completely off topic from the rest of the conversation, but I don't suppose you could boot rockbox off a micro? |
| 03:23:55 | ddalton | it would be nice that its all in one place but I doubt they will read it still... |
| 03:24:38 | psycho_maniac | I think ChanServis just a server/computer name not a person. |
| 03:25:18 | ddalton | I believe it is like nickserv but for channels. it allows the opts to add new opts allows topics to be set and other stuff. |
| 03:25:31 | webguest14 | Heh. Don't know why that was there. |
| 03:25:34 | ddalton | maybe it kicks people too when the operator uses the kick command. |
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| 03:27:08 | webguest14 | Well, did some digging and I guess you have to install it on the mp3. Though it'd be cool if you could just boot off a micro. |
| 03:30:04 | ddalton | anyone think a noisey fast fwd/rewind could be useful? |
| 03:31:52 | psycho_maniac | what do you mean "noisey" ? |
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| 03:32:12 | ddalton | well you know like a cd player? |
| 03:32:34 | ddalton | it plays the sound as its been fast fwded but rb doesn't. |
| 03:33:03 | ddalton | from my little testing I don't think rb can play audio when fast forwarding like the paused playback issue... |
| 03:34:58 | psycho_maniac | not a "beep" but like the song your ffwing ? |
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| 03:36:51 | psycho_maniac | i think thats feature request on a wiki page but i cannot find it at the moment. |
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| 03:42:52 | ddalton | yeah. |
| 03:43:50 | ddalton | but I am not sure how to start with the coding. Actually I am still not sure why we didn't just use a player like mplayer and port it. but that doesn't do the noisey rewind and fast fwd. perhaps there was a reason for writing our own playback engine? |
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| 03:47:44 | psycho_maniac | I couldnt tell you. |
| 03:48:48 | psycho_maniac | I hate when i saw something on a wiki page but cannot find the page itself. This usually happens as i get very bored and read random wiki pages that sound intresting |
| 03:49:09 | ddalton | I have nothing against the current playback engine. And there is probably a good reason for it. But I would be interested to find it out. And I guess we could port a wma player to rockbox. Im sure there is source code around for that. (I just need to go searching through my distroes repository.) |
| 03:49:16 | ddalton | or does rb now support wma? |
| 03:49:58 | psycho_maniac | yes it does support wma |
| 03:50:39 | psycho_maniac | It has seeking now also, been around for a couple weeks...maybe a month now. |
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| 03:52:31 | ddalton | ah yep. Thought I remember some svn commits on it. But never use wma myself. |
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| 04:48:32 | JThundley | what does %t mean in the theme syntax? I don't see it on the page anywhere |
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| 05:01:07 | Mouser_X | JThundley: Have you gone to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=CustomWPS |
| 05:01:09 | Mouser_X | ? |
| 05:01:43 | JThundley | ahh thanks, that's a different page than what I was using |
| 05:02:02 | Mouser_X | Once there, if you're using Firefox, use CTRL+F, and type "%t" (without the " marks), and it will tell you how it's used. |
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| 05:10:06 | JThundley | yeah, I did, that's how I knew the old page didn't have it |
| 05:10:17 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
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| 05:57:09 | webguest33 | Hi, I successfully installed rockbox on my sandisk e200r. Is there a way to uninstall it? |
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| 05:58:09 | Mouser_X | Yes, but why would you want to? |
| 05:58:18 | Mouser_X | It does support dual-booting, you know. |
| 05:58:26 | webguest33 | Yes |
| 05:59:06 | webguest33 | I know that but it's my sister and I dont think that she will want to have to go into the original firmware to import music. |
| 05:59:15 | webguest33 | Any suggestions? |
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| 06:00:40 | Mouser_X | This is how I transfer files/music to my Sansa. While turned off, I instert the USB cable, and then attach to the computer. It turns on itself, and goes into file transfer mode. I transfer files, and once done/charged, I turn it off. |
| 06:01:25 | Mouser_X | When I turn it back on, after disconnecting, I'm back in Rockbox. What's wrong with this method? More specifically, why would this be a problem for your sister? |
| 06:01:49 | webguest33 | I've never tried that. I'll do it. |
| 06:02:39 | webguest33 | It worked! |
| 06:03:16 | webguest33 | it went in as a MSC. I've always done playsforsure. how do I transfer in this mode? |
| 06:03:30 | Mouser_X | Drag+drop? |
| 06:03:38 | webguest33 | to what folder? |
| 06:03:52 | Mouser_X | If you're going to be using Rockbox, then put it anywhere you want. |
| 06:04:32 | webguest33 | Will it organize my music automatically? |
| 06:05:22 | Mouser_X | Rockbox *does* have a database system. You can use that if you want. However, Rockbox's default method of selecting tracks, and navigation, is through a directory structure. |
| 06:05:48 | Mouser_X | In other words, similar to using Windows Explorer to track down specific files on your computer. |
| 06:05:57 | webguest33 | I see. |
| 06:06:18 | Mouser_X | In other words, it's best to organize the files, using directories, as best as you can. |
| 06:06:34 | Mouser_X | But, if the database is more your style, that will work just fine as well. |
| 06:06:46 | webguest33 | I could do it but It's a little hard, i mean, not as convinient for my 10yr old sister. |
| 06:06:56 | Mouser_X | Ah, indeed. |
| 06:07:06 | Mouser_X | Well, you'll probably want the database then. |
| 06:07:17 | webguest33 | How does that work? |
| 06:07:31 | Mouser_X | Is there already music (that you want) on the Sansa? |
| 06:08:00 | webguest33 | Yes. I also have it on my computer. |
| 06:08:25 | webguest33 | I know that it check for the music on the sansa firmware and then imports it. |
| 06:08:31 | Mouser_X | And, this is important, did you buy it online? If you bought it online (from something like the iTunes store, or whatever they have you use), then it's most likely copy-protected (DRM) and won't work in Rockbox. |
| 06:09:00 | Mouser_X | Considering that you have the e200r, this is a possability. |
| 06:09:20 | Mouser_X | (It's why I'm trying to verify that it shouldn't be a problem.) |
| 06:09:51 | webguest33 | No. I ripped it from my cds. |
| 06:10:33 | Mouser_X | Ah, good. That should be fine. |
| 06:10:38 | Mouser_X | (brb) |
| 06:11:12 | webguest33 | kk |
| 06:12:17 | Mouser_X | Read this: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-430004.2 |
| 06:12:50 | Mouser_X | (That's the Rockbox manual, and that specific section should explain the database better than I can. I don't use the database) |
| 06:15:37 | Mouser_X | Also, to further familiarize yourself with Rockbox and all its available features (which are many), here's a link to the manual in whole: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html |
| 06:15:52 | webguest33 | Yea. |
| 06:15:58 | Mouser_X | Downloadable version: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200.pdf |
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| 06:16:13 | webguest42 | hello |
| 06:16:27 | webguest42 | hello |
| 06:16:34 | Mouser_X | webguest42: If you have a question, just ask. |
| 06:16:44 | webguest42 | hey |
| 06:16:49 | Mouser_X | There's no reason to clog the chat with a greeting. We already know you're here. |
| 06:17:04 | webguest42 | ere |
| 06:17:08 | webguest42 | omg |
| 06:17:13 | webguest33 | hey since the bootloader was patched way I ever want to return it to its original state will i be able to? |
| 06:17:37 | Mouser_X | webguest33: Yes, you can. However, *I* don't know how to do that... |
| 06:17:40 | webguest33 | way=would |
| 06:17:55 | webguest42 | Yes i do , I just need to know what things i can do with my Ipod 2nd generation 2 Gig. |
| 06:18:17 | Mouser_X | webguest42: Nano? |
| 06:18:36 | webguest42 | this one to be precice - http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31G01AY9NXL._AA280_.jpg |
| 06:19:03 | webguest33 | So you're saying that the bootloader will always look for rockbox upon start-up? |
| 06:19:06 | Mouser_X | You can't install Rockbox on it. It's not supported, which is what the front page of rockbox.org says. |
| 06:19:18 | webguest42 | right. |
| 06:19:38 | Mouser_X | webguest33: No, you can fully and completely uninstall Rockbox if you want. But *I* don't know how to. |
| 06:19:53 | webguest42 | This ipod sucks then :( I looking forward to buying itouch , Is there anyway you can mod/firmware the itouch |
| 06:20:04 | Mouser_X | Not with Rockbox. |
| 06:20:16 | webguest42 | whats RockBox do ? |
| 06:20:49 | Mouser_X | webguest42: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 06:20:55 | webguest42 | lol |
| 06:20:56 | webguest42 | k |
| 06:20:57 | Mouser_X | Plus more. |
| 06:21:14 | webguest42 | one more thing |
| 06:21:25 | webguest42 | I was watcing a video , you think with my ipod i can put new games ? |
| 06:21:55 | Mouser_X | webguest42: I don't understand the question. |
| 06:22:08 | Mouser_X | You can do whatever the origina Apple software will allow you to do. |
| 06:22:25 | webguest42 | let me rephrase .. With the ipod nano I have , Can i put new games in it ? |
| 06:22:37 | webguest42 | additional ones .. and not just brick etc.. |
| 06:22:50 | webguest33 | See, when I delete the .rockbox folder from the directory and restart the the bootloader informs mee that .rockbox cant be found so to get the sandisk firmware to load I have to turn the player off and hold *left* upon restart. What I really would like to know is if there is a way to turn on the player and have it load the sansa firmware without having to press anything? |
| 06:23:44 | Mouser_X | webguest33: Yes, as I said, there *is* a way to -completely- uninstall Rockbox. But I've never had to do so, so *I* don't know how to do it. |
| 06:23:57 | webguest42 | ...? |
| 06:24:32 | Mouser_X | webguest42: If Apple sells games for the iPod Nano, then you can get games from them. |
| 06:24:36 | webguest33 | I know that you can uninstall it with the e200 but nothing is ever said about the e200r (they're different). |
| 06:25:03 | Mouser_X | webguest33: Try updating the OF. |
| 06:25:18 | webguest42 | k |
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| 06:25:41 | Mouser_X | Specifically, either use the update on the CD that your Sansa came with, or go to their website, and update with what you find there. |
| 06:25:59 | Mouser_X | If I'm not mistaken, that will most likely remove whatever Rockbox has done. |
| 06:26:09 | Mouser_X | (excluding the .rockbox folder) |
| 06:27:43 | webguest33 | I have the OF. It's within the system folder. |
| 06:28:02 | webguest33 | I dont want to update the firmware, just want it to load upon boot. |
| 06:28:09 | Mouser_X | webguest33: I'm refering to software that's *not* currently on your Sansa. |
| 06:29:31 | webguest33 | Rockbox has altered the bootloader which boots rockbox. I want the bootloader to boot the sansa firmware. |
| 06:30:25 | Mouser_X | I know. I'm attempting to find how to do that. |
| 06:31:20 | webguest33 | I know that I cant make it do that by holding *left* but I would want it to load by just pressing the on button. I believe that in order to that i have to restore the original bootloader *or* somehow fool the bootloader into loading the sansa bootloader instead of rockbox. |
| 06:31:25 | webguest33 | okay, thanks. |
| 06:31:36 | webguest33 | cant=can |
| 06:32:45 | webguest33 | this is step one for my player: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation |
| 06:33:11 | Mouser_X | webguest33: I know what you're saying, and asking. It is possible to do this (you'll lose the ability to boot into Rockbox), but I don't know how to do it. I'm attempting to find out, but I'm not currently seeing it. I think that if you look for an updated version of your firmware, and update the e200, that it should overwrite the bootloader that Rockbox altered. Thus, it should remove that bootloader, getting you back to the OF. |
| 06:33:54 | Mouser_X | Even the same version, updated or not, used on your Sansa should do this, if I'm not mistaken. |
| 06:35:12 | webguest33 | can you tell me how to do it? |
| 06:35:23 | Mouser_X | I've told you the best method I know. |
| 06:35:26 | Mouser_X | Update the OF. |
| 06:36:22 | Mouser_X | As I said, I've never needed, or wanted, to do this. Therefore, I don't know how to completely uninstall Rockbox (including the bootloader). |
| 06:36:35 | Mouser_X | The next best thing, that I'm aware of, is to update the OF. |
| 06:36:44 | webguest33 | How can i do that? If I use sandisk's tool it will tell me that i have the lates Firmware and it will not require and update. |
| 06:37:19 | advcomp2019 | i think webguest33 needs to use recovery mode |
| 06:37:20 | webguest33 | look at this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallationFromWindows |
| 06:37:47 | Mouser_X | advcomp2019: I've never dealt with it. You're probably right. |
| 06:38:01 | webguest33 | tell me advcomp2019 |
| 06:38:50 | webguest33 | will this workd advcomp: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15424 |
| 06:39:42 | Mouser_X | webguest33: I was going to link this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 06:39:44 | advcomp2019 | webguest33, yea that should work it you use the e200r firmware |
| 06:39:53 | Mouser_X | However, you have the e200r, so I don't know if that will work. |
| 06:40:38 | Mouser_X | advcomp2019: Thanks for your help... |
| 06:40:49 | webguest33 | There's a file there specifically for the e200r |
| 06:41:15 | webguest33 | but will it restore the original bootloader? |
| 06:41:32 | advcomp2019 | webguest33, hopefully yes |
| 06:41:57 | webguest33 | I dont think so because the program just estracts files to players directory thus only replacing files. |
| 06:42:36 | webguest33 | ie the firmware and nessecery files. I dont believe that the bootloader can be replace just like that. Can it? |
| 06:42:48 | Mouser_X | webguest33: Not so. If you're in recovery mode, those files will be placed on the OF partition. Once booted, those files will be run, and it will auto-update. |
| 06:42:52 | Mouser_X | (Ideally) |
| 06:43:18 | advcomp2019 | webguest33, Mouser_X is right |
| 06:44:44 | webguest33 | will it is called the "ultimate fix", it couldnt be ultimate if it din't restore bootloader... |
| 06:44:51 | webguest33 | will=well |
| 06:45:50 | webguest33 | I think that it can be done another way. |
| 06:45:56 | webguest33 | take a look at this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallationFromWindows |
| 06:46:03 | advcomp2019 | webguest33, are you talking about the .rom file |
| 06:47:24 | webguest33 | the installation say to rename a file OF.mi4 what if I just rename that file pp5022.mi4 and place it in the directory? |
| 06:47:54 | webguest33 | wait, that the firmware right. |
| 06:48:05 | webguest33 | yes.. ah |
| 06:49:41 | webguest33 | what do you mean .rom file? |
| 06:49:58 | advcomp2019 | webguest33, never mind if you are getting it |
| 06:51:39 | webguest33 | the OF.mi4 is the firmware. the firmeare is okay. all i want to is get the sansa firmware to boot iniatially thus never loading rockbox. which is essentially uninstalling rockbox but i dont know how to do that |
| 06:52:30 | Mouser_X | webguest33: As I said, updating the firmware will overwrite the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 06:52:38 | webguest33 | if I delete the .rockbox folder the bootloader tells me that .rockbox is missing. thus i need to restore the unpatched bootloader. |
| 06:52:57 | webguest33 | so how can i update the firmware? |
| 06:53:08 | Mouser_X | advcomp2019 and I have told you 2 different ways. |
| 06:53:10 | advcomp2019 | webguest33, just put the sansa pp5022.mi4 in recovery mode then unplug the cable |
| 06:55:08 | webguest33 | where can i get the pp5022.mi4? |
| 06:55:12 | Mouser_X | webguest33: In other words, while in recovery mode (if I recall correctly, the screen will be black/blank, and the wheel light will be on), put the necessary files onto your player. |
| 06:55:22 | webguest33 | should i use the file that i renamed OF.mi4? |
| 06:55:45 | advcomp2019 | webguest33, the sansa pp5022.mi4 is the same as the OF.mi4 |
| 06:58:43 | webguest33 | done!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:58:49 | webguest33 | used this: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15424 |
| 06:59:30 | webguest33 | I went into recovery mode and extracted the file that i downloaded from that site. |
| 06:59:44 | Mouser_X | Which is basically what we said. |
| 06:59:52 | webguest33 | it extracted 2 files. one must have been the pp5022.mi4 |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:05 | webguest33 | any guess on the second? |
| 07:00:22 | webguest33 | prob the version.txt...? |
| 07:00:45 | advcomp2019 | do not worry about the version.txt |
| 07:01:06 | webguest33 | okay. i extracted to my desktop and... |
| 07:01:27 | webguest33 | pp5022.mi4 and sansa.fmt |
| 07:01:39 | Mouser_X | Ah. It formated your Sansa as well. |
| 07:01:56 | Mouser_X | (Which isn't a surprise.) |
| 07:02:22 | Mouser_X | "sansa.fmt" = empty file. The OF just needs the name. |
| 07:02:39 | Mouser_X | (That is, IIUC.) |
| 07:03:06 | advcomp2019 | yea that is if you do not want to save anything that is on the sansa |
| 07:04:31 | webguest33 | well my sansa is back to normal (no rockbox). I know it's great but it's just not for my 10yr old sister. |
| 07:04:35 | Mouser_X | It's obviously too late in this instance, but you (webguest33) did say you have all the important stuff on your PC already, right? |
| 07:04:39 | webguest33 | I use it though! |
| 07:07:15 | Mouser_X | My nieces got some Sansa e250s for Christmas. I *wanted* to install Rockbox on them, but I figured that, one being 8 or 9, and the other being about 5, Rockbox probably wasn't for them... |
| 07:07:55 | DogBoy | so you just need to jack them for the sansas |
| 07:08:00 | * | Mouser_X has a Gigabeat F40, and two Sansa e250s. |
| 07:08:21 | Mouser_X | (I'm considering reselling one of my e250s. |
| 07:09:17 | webguest33 | I have and F40 and and S30 (not supported) |
| 07:10:14 | * | Mouser_X wants a Gigabeat S... |
| 07:10:29 | Mouser_X | (Especially if Rockbox supported it.) |
| 07:10:43 | Mouser_X | The S has video out, and USB hosting. |
| 07:11:01 | webguest33 | When my syster got her e250r today it was half full and I couldent figure out why. |
| 07:11:31 | webguest33 | Still cant. It only had 20 songs and 1 video. |
| 07:11:46 | webguest33 | It was less thank 75mb is stuff. |
| 07:11:53 | Mouser_X | It's empty now, isn't it? |
| 07:12:03 | webguest33 | All I know is that now it's empty. |
| 07:12:04 | webguest33 | yea. |
| 07:12:11 | Mouser_X | That's good. |
| 07:12:24 | advcomp2019 | yea that is what the sansa.fmt did |
| 07:12:47 | webguest33 | Yea but why the hell would sandisk preload the 2gb player with 1gb of stuff? |
| 07:12:50 | Mouser_X | That's what I thought, but I wanted to be sure. It would have been mighty strange if it wasn't... |
| 07:13:38 | webguest33 | But what could it have been because i looked through all the folder and there sure wasnt 1gb of stuff. |
| 07:14:39 | advcomp2019 | webguest33, they was rax files in the system folder somewhere |
| 07:17:57 | webguest33 | kk. |
| 07:18:07 | webguest33 | man anybut ipod is useful. |
| 07:18:13 | webguest33 | you guys 2. |
| 07:18:45 | Mouser_X | Hopefully I was *somewhat* helpfull.. |
| 07:22:19 | webguest33 | yea. |
| 07:22:27 | webguest33 | Mentally |
| 07:22:53 | webguest33 | Dont you guys get jitters when messig with the insides of your electronics? |
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| 07:27:10 | webguest33 | See you guys later. |
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| 07:27:55 | webguest33 | Thanks for the help.. +karma |
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| 07:30:03 | Mouser_X | Though he's gone, no, not often. Especially with the Sansas. Like the iPod, the Sansa is very difficult to brick. |
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| 07:35:10 | Jay | im new to this so plz 4 give my noobness |
| 07:36:03 | Jay | im trying 2 install rockbox on my 30gb ipod video but the autoinstaller says that it cant detect my ipod when its connected 2 my computer |
| 07:37:28 | advcomp2019 | Jay, please do not use short hand or leet like the guidelines say |
| 07:37:37 | Mouser_X | Jay: Please read this first, *and* obey it: ChanServ- [#rockbox] Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines |
| 07:38:12 | Jay | oh ok srry |
| 07:42:38 | Mouser_X | Jay: Do you use Windows or Linux? Do you use iTunes? If you use iTunes, is it hiding your iPod (there's a setting in iTunes to do this)? Is your iPod being recognized as a hard drive? What mode is your iPod in? I'm sure there's other questions that would help, but I don't have an iPod, so it makes it difficult for me to help you there. |
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| 07:44:28 | Jay | i am running windows, yes i use itunes, no i have it in disk mode, yes its recognized as removable media, dont know wat u mean y wat mode is it in, i am running vista |
| 07:45:05 | Mouser_X | Jay: Did you read that IrcGuidlines page? You're still not abiding it. |
| 07:45:31 | Jay | um no but since i saw that u asked me a question so i answered u |
| 07:45:38 | Jay | ill read it right now |
| 07:46:57 | Jay | oh ok i see |
| 07:47:09 | Jay | noo leet talk srry |
| 07:47:25 | Jay | sh*it sorry i cant help it |
| 07:47:33 | Jay | ill try my best |
| 07:48:04 | Jay | i am running windows, yes i use itunes, no i have it in disk mode, yes its recognized as removable media, dont know wat you mean why wat mode is it in, i am running vista |
| 07:48:13 | Mouser_X | The ENTER key is not a period (please keep things to one line. It helps keep the logs clean.) |
| 07:48:47 | Jay | ok srry again bro :( |
| 07:49:13 | Mouser_X | What instructions are you using to install Rockbox? Are you reading the manual? |
| 07:51:24 | Mouser_X | Specifically, I think this section is what you need: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-110002.3.2 |
| 07:52:42 | Jay | thats wat im reading |
| 07:52:58 | Jay | im using the automatic method |
| 07:53:12 | Mouser_X | So, did you actually read and do section 2.3.2? |
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| 07:53:44 | Jay | no cause thats if u wanna do it maually |
| 07:53:56 | Jay | dam orry about the leet talk |
| 07:54:05 | Jay | im so used to it |
| 07:54:14 | jharu | Merry xmas to all the devs of rockbox!!! |
| 07:54:15 | Mouser_X | Obviously, if the auto method isn't working, then your next best hope is to use the manual method. |
| 07:54:32 | Mouser_X | jharu: Thanks, but I'm no dev. |
| 07:54:44 | Mouser_X | (And, Christmas day is very nearly over here.) |
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| 07:55:47 | Jay | lol yea same here its 1:55am in NYC |
| 07:56:17 | Jay | k ill do the maual method |
| 07:56:29 | jharu | ok then... a prosperous advanced happy new year!!!! |
| 07:56:32 | Jay | manual srry typo |
| 07:56:33 | jharu | XD |
| 07:56:40 | Jay | lol |
| 07:56:41 | Mouser_X | jharu: Ha. |
| 07:57:18 | Mouser_X | jharu: Actually, we haven't celebrated Christmas here. However, we'll celebrate it twice next year. |
| 07:57:32 | Mouser_X | So, I guess it's not as early (for me) as you thought. |
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| 07:58:21 | jharu | ????? youve postpone your xmas? |
| 07:58:27 | Jay | ??? |
| 07:58:41 | Mouser_X | Yes. We're waiting for some family members to fly in. |
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| 07:58:50 | * | jharu is thinkin is it possible? |
| 07:58:52 | Jay | oh ok i see |
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| 07:59:01 | Jay | lol jharu |
| 07:59:14 | jharu | XD |
| 07:59:15 | advcomp2019 | this is getting offtopic now |
| 07:59:22 | Mouser_X | Indeed. |
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| 08:00:09 | jharu | you here too adv?! |
| 08:00:18 | jharu | >_< |
| 08:00:27 | Jay | lol |
| 08:01:11 | * | Mouser_X was about to go to bed when Jay showed up. |
| 08:01:46 | Jay | :( srry bro you can go to bed ill try my best with this |
| 08:01:49 | * | jharu is confused as there is two adv he is chattin at the same time... |
| 08:02:16 | Mouser_X | jharu: Possibly different people? |
| 08:02:59 | Mouser_X | Jay: Any luck with the manual method? |
| 08:03:00 | jharu | he just said he is the same banana... |
| 08:03:06 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 08:03:27 | Jay | i just extracted the file to the root of my ipod |
| 08:03:40 | jharu | installin rbx? its easy enuf to do jay... |
| 08:04:55 | jharu | at least in the sansa though.... |
| 08:05:48 | Jay | whats sansa |
| 08:06:30 | jharu | its a dap made by sandisk |
| 08:06:49 | jharu | 2nd only to ipod in popularity |
| 08:07:04 | jharu | *marketshare... |
| 08:08:31 | Jay | now im extracting the fonts |
| 08:08:51 | Mouser_X | Jay: Did you do the ipodpatcher thing? |
| 08:09:01 | Jay | doing it now |
| 08:09:06 | Mouser_X | You *do* need to install the bootloader, after all. |
| 08:09:12 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 08:09:33 | jharu | Mouser_X: is instellin rockbox different in different daps? |
| 08:09:42 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 08:09:44 | jharu | installin |
| 08:09:59 | Jay | 1 question once i install the boot loasder thing would i still be able to boot back to the original apple fw |
| 08:10:00 | Mouser_X | Gigabeat is really easy. Sansa is pretty easy. |
| 08:10:19 | Jay | i meant once i install rockbox |
| 08:10:22 | Mouser_X | Jay: Yes. Rockbox does dual-booting on most targets. |
| 08:10:47 | Jay | nice ok |
| 08:10:56 | Mouser_X | (As of yet, dual-booting isn't available on the Gigabeat, though I have no idea why you'd want to use the OF of the Gigabeat.) |
| 08:11:32 | jharu | so hes dap is gigabeat... |
| 08:11:45 | Mouser_X | Yes, I have a Gigabeat, and a Sansa. |
| 08:11:45 | jharu | jays... |
| 08:11:55 | Jay | whays dap or gigabeat |
| 08:11:57 | Mouser_X | Jay has an iPod Video 30 GB. |
| 08:12:04 | Jay | yup yup |
| 08:12:45 | jharu | dap is the term used here for your player. eg ipod, sansa, gigabeat. |
| 08:13:31 | Jay | digital audio player right? |
| 08:13:42 | Jay | ok i did the bootloader thing so im done right |
| 08:14:02 | Mouser_X | jharu: As I said, installation methods differ depending on your target. Read the installation methods of the various targets to get a better idea, but the Gigabeat, for example, requires you to rename a file, and replace it with a Rockbox one. |
| 08:14:33 | Mouser_X | Jay: I'd say yes, but that's mostly assuming. What does the instruction manual say? |
| 08:15:21 | Jay | "isconnect your player in the usual way. The bootloader is now installed" |
| 08:15:31 | Jay | and thats it |
| 08:15:33 | jharu | Mouser_X: so is it true gigabeat supports gba games? |
| 08:15:35 | Mouser_X | Well, than, give it a try. |
| 08:15:42 | Jay | kk |
| 08:15:43 | Mouser_X | jharu: No. |
| 08:15:57 | Mouser_X | No Rockbox target can play GBA games. GB and GBC, yes. |
| 08:16:06 | Jay | woot woot |
| 08:16:29 | Jay | i did it |
| 08:16:37 | Mouser_X | Congrats. |
| 08:16:40 | jharu | ?! there is someone who posted on my thread that gigabeat can take a gba game... |
| 08:16:57 | Jay | hey this looks kind of ugly |
| 08:17:00 | Mouser_X | jharu: That person either made a typo, or is wrong. |
| 08:17:08 | Mouser_X | Jay: Change it. |
| 08:17:14 | jharu | congatulation jay! now you can pay mouser... :D |
| 08:17:14 | Mouser_X | Read the manual to figure out how. |
| 08:17:29 | Jay | lol |
| 08:18:03 | Jay | hey do ya know any plugins and themes and any other features 4 rockbox thats a musthave |
| 08:18:05 | Mouser_X | Jay: Here's a start (but it might not help much without reading the manual) - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras |
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| 08:18:26 | jharu | no... uh... it says "except for the gigabeat no other dap has enough horsepower to run a gba rom" |
| 08:18:31 | Mouser_X | Jay: Once installed, Rockbox has all the stuff with it. Nothing requires downloading. |
| 08:18:42 | Jay | oh ok ice |
| 08:19:14 | jharu | Jay: unless you want patches |
| 08:19:15 | Mouser_X | jharu: That *might* be true, but I'd find it difficult to believe. My 333 has a hard time emulating the *audio* to the GBA, let alone the entire GBA. |
| 08:19:59 | Jay | wat can i use patches 4 |
| 08:20:00 | Mouser_X | Jay: If you're interested patches, you'll have to read the wiki on them. That gets you into the realm of "unsupported" and therefore, not much help here. |
| 08:20:15 | Mouser_X | Jay: IrcGuidlines please. |
| 08:20:16 | Jay | oh ok |
| 08:20:34 | Jay | i know mouser im trying my best bro |
| 08:20:56 | Jay | wow woot woot this has alot of games |
| 08:21:19 | Jay | is there a snes emulatorckbox |
| 08:21:29 | Mouser_X | No. |
| 08:21:31 | jharu | a major tome killer Jay! |
| 08:21:44 | Jay | um did i do something wrong |
| 08:21:58 | Jay | is that illegal in here |
| 08:22:00 | jharu | theres not even a nes emu. just a gbc one :D |
| 08:22:01 | Mouser_X | The Gigabeat F/X could emulate the SNES, but there's not currently a port of it for Rockbox. |
| 08:22:15 | Jay | oh ok |
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| 08:22:53 | Mouser_X | jharu: There's a NES emu in the patch tracker. It's in serious need of work though. You can't even exit it without hard-resetting your DAP. |
| 08:23:02 | Mouser_X | (As in, killing all power.) |
| 08:23:20 | jharu | Mouser_X: really?!... crap... i wish i can play legend of zelda... |
| 08:23:32 | Mouser_X | That's one of the ones that doesn't work at all. |
| 08:23:39 | * | Mouser_X has tried. |
| 08:23:47 | jharu | darn.... |
| 08:23:51 | Mouser_X | As I said, it needs a lot of work. |
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| 08:25:49 | Jay | has the classic been able to get rockboxed |
| 08:25:56 | jharu | if only im good at vm.... |
| 08:27:38 | Jay | i see there is no themes for the 5g ipod |
| 08:27:45 | Mouser_X | Flyspray#2911 |
| 08:28:06 | jharu | ?! whats flyspray? |
| 08:28:09 | Mouser_X | Jay: You're wrong. There's tons of themes for the iPod 5g. |
| 08:29:01 | Jay | is the rockbox site mobile friendly |
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| 08:29:12 | Jay | like for the psp |
| 08:29:14 | Mouser_X | No idea. |
| 08:29:28 | Jay | i wanna lay on my bed while reading the mauel |
| 08:29:36 | Jay | hmm let me chk brb |
| 08:32:28 | Mouser_X | Jay: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g |
| 08:32:37 | Mouser_X | There's some iPod 5g themes. |
| 08:33:33 | Mouser_X | If you went to http://www.rockbox-themes.org and found no iPod 5g themes, it's because the owner of that site has run out of bandwidth for this month. |
| 08:34:10 | Jay | wow i see alot now ok thx alot mouser |
| 08:34:48 | Jay | this is usally not my username ill usually be BlackChaos |
| 08:35:04 | Jay | xchat signed me in this name i dont know y |
| 08:36:15 | jharu | mebby you live in toronto, jay XD |
| 08:36:28 | Jay | lol no i dont |
| 08:36:50 | Jay | i live in newyork |
| 08:37:21 | Mouser_X | Jay, jharu: Please stay on-topic |
| 08:37:59 | advcomp2019 | Jay, someone else might have.. anyway you need to stay on-topic like Mouser_X says |
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| 08:39:01 | * | jharu is still confused at advcomp2019 bein at rockbox too... |
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| 08:40:19 | Mouser_X | advcomp2019 would appear to use Rockbox. Anything wrong with that? |
| 08:41:04 | jharu | nope :) coz rockbox is the best alter fw there is! |
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| 09:50:37 | Jay | why doesnt rockbox want to connect to my pc do i need drivers??? |
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| 10:19:51 | brennan | hey everyone |
| 10:19:54 | Casainho | good morning :-) |
| 10:20:24 | brennan | hello |
| 10:20:28 | Casainho | I would like to know who is working on USB stack? and where can I find news, some blog messages or like that :-) |
| 10:20:47 | brennan | sorry, is this working? |
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| 10:45:49 | Casainho | I got a message on forum about USB stack :-) |
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| 10:53:43 | Bagder | Casainho: everyone is free to work on it... |
| 10:54:20 | Casainho | yes, but I saw a few time ago a blog from someone that were activily working on that... |
| 10:54:38 | Casainho | I forget the name, the blog... :-( |
| 10:54:56 | Bagder | austriancoder worked on it, then Zagor worked on it |
| 10:55:03 | Bagder | I don't see why that matters |
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| 11:01:30 | Casainho | well, I wanted to show that messages to other guy - just that :-) |
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| 11:02:04 | Casainho | I am in talking with guy of DSPdap: http://dspdap.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:02:21 | Bagder | I'm basically saying that it doesn't matter much who was working on it |
| 11:02:30 | Casainho | we wants to build a new hardware, and I talked with him about Rockbox :-) |
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| 11:03:16 | Casainho | he likes a lot the idea o RB :-) |
| 11:03:28 | Casainho | we have now almost the same goals :-) |
| 11:03:56 | Bagder | I love how their front page is ... so outdated |
| 11:04:04 | Bagder | "DSPdap is different from other MP3 player projects because it uses a programmable DSP as its CPU instead of using a microcontroller and a hardware MP3 decoder chip. Because of this, it is capable of playing not only MP3 but all popular digital audio formats" |
| 11:04:30 | Bagder | that might've been almost true 2004 but certainly isn't today |
| 11:06:11 | Casainho | eheh :-) |
| 11:06:13 | Casainho | right |
| 11:06:58 | Casainho | thats why the guy is looking for upgrade the DSPdap... and I talked wiht him about Rockbox :-) - I think both can win a lot :-) |
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| 11:07:48 | Bagder | so then dspdap becomes a cpudap? ;-) |
| 11:08:02 | Casainho | this name is Roger Quadros |
| 11:08:22 | Casainho | hmmm.... |
| 11:08:34 | Casainho | you don't like the idea of DSP, is that? :-9 |
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| 11:08:50 | Bagder | a dsp is totally pointless and in rockbox-land even stupid |
| 11:09:08 | Bagder | you'll get even more work than with avr |
| 11:09:19 | Bagder | work that even fewer people can do |
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| 11:09:47 | Casainho | well, I realy thin that AVR32 is ok, because have both of that worlds.... |
| 11:09:49 | Bagder | but yeah, if you want full frame rate video on your player I guess you need a dsp |
| 11:10:10 | Bagder | ... on your poor monocrome lcd ;-) |
| 11:10:30 | Slasheri | hmm, i don't think dsp+avr is that good |
| 11:10:35 | Casainho | Bagder: I wrote as objectives: "Audio player and in future versions also recorder capabilities (not multimedia player, video or games);" |
| 11:10:47 | Slasheri | i would probably use the old trusty coldfire |
| 11:10:53 | Bagder | Casainho: with those (crappy) lcds? |
| 11:11:19 | Bagder | it seems you're trying to future-proof things now for a player that won't do those things |
| 11:11:30 | Bagder | and that's premature optimizations that shouldn't be made, imho |
| 11:11:33 | Slasheri | and i wouldn't care for video playback anyway |
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| 11:12:17 | Bagder | Casainho: so why the sudden interest in doing it DSP-style? because of that dspdap guy? |
| 11:13:21 | Casainho | no!! just AVR32 have also DSP instructions, and because dsp instrutions seems good for saving battery power, or I am wrong? |
| 11:13:44 | Casainho | AVR32 should not need to use DSP for makes RB working.... |
| 11:13:52 | * | amiconn remembers the unfinished gmini port... |
| 11:14:02 | Bagder | I can't tell much about those avr32 things as I'm not that into those |
| 11:14:19 | amiconn | (regarding dsp and rockbox) |
| 11:14:59 | Bagder | Casainho: does the dsp part have a particular name or is it just avr32 dsp? |
| 11:15:00 | Casainho | amiconn: I don't know what you pretend to say, I don't know nothing about gmini |
| 11:15:19 | Slasheri | i have used 8-bit avr's for a long time but never tried that 32bit one |
| 11:15:40 | Casainho | Bagder: is just AVR32, wich have also DSP, and java.... |
| 11:15:51 | Bagder | yes but DSP is a word like CPU |
| 11:15:56 | Bagder | it doesn't say _what_ DSP |
| 11:15:57 | Slasheri | sounds bad |
| 11:16:11 | Bagder | and it can't "have" java really |
| 11:17:22 | Casainho | well, I don't have any experience in AVR32 or DSP, just some little in AVR 8 bits :-) |
| 11:18:05 | Casainho | however there are others that agrees with AVR32, others that said that will be in project. |
| 11:18:12 | amiconn | The gmini 1xx/2xx have a dsp as their main processor. A bitch to code for compared to a cpu |
| 11:18:39 | Slasheri | then just forget it.. too complex |
| 11:19:16 | Bagder | Casainho: yes, but I've not seen anyone actually already involved in Rockbox saying much... |
| 11:19:41 | Bagder | it might not be a bad thing, but it also makes very little rockbox experience that tells |
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| 11:21:26 | Bagder | is it the AT32AP7000 you're currently considering? |
| 11:21:33 | Casainho | amiconn: AVR32 is a cpu with GCC port, dsp instructions can be used or not, directly on GCC |
| 11:22:22 | Casainho | Bagder: no one in RB looks interest in doing a hardware player, will It be with AVR32, ARM or other... :-( |
| 11:22:38 | Casainho | yes, that AT32AP7000 |
| 11:22:43 | Bagder | Casainho: no, but lots of us are offering ideas and advice |
| 11:23:03 | Casainho | okok, I know and I apreciate :-) |
| 11:23:04 | Slasheri | Casainho: if i would have more time, i would be interested |
| 11:23:32 | Bagder | Casainho: you know anywhere where this DSP part is described/documented? |
| 11:23:57 | Casainho | yes, in datasheet and in aplication notes - on oficial page :-) |
| 11:24:07 | Bagder | I'm trying to find it but I can't |
| 11:24:18 | Bagder | I looked in the data sheet, in the arch overview and more |
| 11:24:23 | Casainho | http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/app_notes.asp?family_id=682 |
| 11:24:37 | Bagder | they just speak of "dsp extensions" without detailing it so far |
| 11:24:46 | Bagder | what doc exactly? |
| 11:25:28 | Casainho | well, I forgot the name of doc - I remember that they said the extensions like instrucutioons to C... |
| 11:25:42 | Casainho | to use directly on GCC |
| 11:26:33 | Casainho | In addition to support standard C/C++ source code, GCC for AVR32 has some extra AVR32 specific features to allow easier access to the optimized AVR32 instruction set and architecture. This applies particularly to the Digital Signal Processing (DSP) and parallel execution instructions (Single Instruction Multiple Data – SIMD). They come in the form of attributes and builtins to the GNU Compiler. |
| 11:26:51 | Bagder | I was interested in DSP details, not sales-speak ;-) |
| 11:27:06 | Casainho | aybe this one: http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc32074.pdf |
| 11:28:15 | Bagder | it looks more like the DSP part is undocumented |
| 11:28:42 | Bagder | that doc describe how to make gcc use builtin functions for avr provided by gcc |
| 11:28:49 | Bagder | they might use the dsp of course |
| 11:29:06 | Casainho | is there something missing? |
| 11:29:13 | Bagder | yes, details about the DSP |
| 11:29:27 | Bagder | at least I can't find it, it may well exist somewhere |
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| 11:30:23 | Casainho | well, I am sure that a quick question about that on community forum will be answered :-) |
| 11:30:40 | Casainho | http://avrfreaks.com/ |
| 11:30:49 | Bagder | hm, I suspect they're simply in the instruction set |
| 11:30:53 | Casainho | sorry - I am not able to help you |
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| 11:31:27 | Slasheri | atmel is usually good about documenting everything |
| 11:31:40 | Bagder | yes... that's what confuses me |
| 11:32:16 | Bagder | ah, time to leave. bbl |
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| 11:33:23 | ddalton | I am going to start a port or help with the port on the sansa e200 (v2) with recovery mode does anyone have any info on this? |
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| 11:37:46 | Casainho | Slasheri: If you want/can, joint the list - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockBoxPlayer |
| 11:38:08 | Casainho | I think that no ones have a lot of free time :-) |
| 11:40:29 | Casainho | im ust go now!! :-) |
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| 13:21:02 | VoltageX | anyone active? Pictureflow is crashing on my H340 |
| 13:29:39 | Bagder | ddalton: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13961.msg105937#msg105937 |
| 13:29:48 | Bagder | that's all I know of (v2?) recovery mode |
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| 13:41:14 | countrymonkey | I wish to know why 8369 isn't committed. |
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| 13:44:50 | moos | countrymonkey: the patch seems to be work in progress... |
| 13:51:56 | countrymonkey | it is. 8859 is too. What's the difference? |
| 13:53:08 | countrymonkey | I mean 8359 |
| 13:56:13 | moos | is your spanish update finished or works in progress too? |
| 13:57:45 | moos | the last comment says that an update will come after Xmas... |
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| 13:58:22 | countrymonkey | That one is not mine. That is an example of a work-in-progress patch that has been committed. |
| 13:59:39 | countrymonkey | what is the difference between 8359 and 8369? |
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| 14:00:14 | moos | better, to let's the author finish his patch before commit, I commited the first part of spanish translation, but that's better to have full translations... |
| 14:02:37 | countrymonkey | ok. I'll finish it. |
| 14:03:03 | moos | once you done this I or someone else will commit it |
| 14:03:42 | waldo | is it 'normal' that when i conneect the usb cable to my sansa c240 when rockbox is running, the thing freezes completely and i have to pull out the battery ? |
| 14:03:57 | countrymonkey | Sounds good. But why cannot the 1st part be committed now? |
| 14:04:54 | waldo | it functions fine when connect the cable with the player is turned off .. it then comes online and starts the sanddisk 'connected' |
| 14:05:45 | VoltageX | for when someone comes around who knows about this: PictureFlow does not crash when database is not initialised, crashes on H340 when the database is enabled - i.e. the plugin loads |
| 14:05:48 | moos | countrymonkey: don't be impatient :), please finnish and all the voice translation will be commited in one time. Do you have still lot of strings to translate? |
| 14:05:58 | VoltageX | anyway, goodnight |
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| 14:07:06 | countrymonkey | I have a lot of strings, but I am going on a long road trip today. I can work on it on my laptop. |
| 14:07:50 | moos | countrymonkey: that's not hurry, you could take your time |
| 14:08:18 | countrymonkey | thanks |
| 14:09:47 | moos | if that can reassure you, I can assigne the patch to me if you want? |
| 14:10:07 | countrymonkey | bigtime. Will you be willing to commit it? |
| 14:10:33 | moos | that way you can be sure that once you finnish it, your patch will be commited |
| 14:10:46 | countrymonkey | thx. |
| 14:11:19 | moos | If I'm around I'll commit it... |
| 14:11:44 | countrymonkey | I should have it ready tommorrow. I think I will do both bocol and nynorsk. |
| 14:12:08 | moos | patch assigned :) |
| 14:12:16 | countrymonkey | whew! |
| 14:13:02 | countrymonkey | thx |
| 14:13:46 | moos | no problem, take your time |
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| 15:22:48 | khermans | i wont lose my songs if I install rockbox right? |
| 15:22:54 | khermans | i mean, they are all non-DRM songs |
| 15:23:04 | J-23 | hmm... |
| 15:23:10 | khermans | i installed from Linux using gtkpod2 |
| 15:23:30 | J-23 | what player? |
| 15:23:41 | khermans | i can back them up if necessary, but i am about to attempt firmware install for roxckbox |
| 15:23:52 | khermans | gtkpod2 |
| 15:24:03 | khermans | an ipod management system for linux' |
| 15:24:55 | khermans | J-23, so will my songs be lost or not? |
| 15:25:06 | khermans | i read in the FAQ that the DB will scan for songs on boot |
| 15:25:09 | J-23 | Probably not. |
| 15:25:10 | khermans | from the itunes db |
| 15:25:22 | khermans | which gtkpod emulates i believe |
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| 15:25:38 | J-23 | I have uploaded my songs via MTP to SanDisk Sansa c240 and I can't play them. |
| 15:25:45 | J-23 | But it isn't iPod. |
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| 15:28:53 | pixelma_ | what do you mean "can't play them" - did you already find them? |
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| 15:51:47 | webguest25 | Hello Ihave a problem with my sansa e280 i cant install rockbox with the patcher on it!! |
| 15:53:28 | Soap | Is your Sansa e280 a version 2? |
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| 15:53:49 | Soap | look at the lower right hand corner of the back of your player - and tell me what model number it claims to be. |
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| 15:55:10 | pixelma | checking the original firmware version number is the more reliable method afaik |
| 15:56:01 | Soap | how is that done? |
| 15:56:34 | webguest25 | yes but i have the new firmware from sandisk |
| 15:57:05 | webguest25 | but my sansa works at fat32 not at fat16 |
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| 15:58:13 | Soap | whoa whoa whoa, webguest25. Let us not get ahead of ourselves yet. I still think the most important step at this point in time is to address the question of if you have a e280v2 or not. |
| 15:58:28 | pixelma | the original firmware has a system menu and one of the items is version or the like |
| 15:58:32 | Soap | When and where did you get your player? And have you looked at the back plate yet? |
| 15:59:29 | pixelma | v1 model's version number starts with 01.xx.xx if it is higher (03.xx.xx) it's a v2 |
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| 16:00:32 | webguest25 | my versions nuber started with 01.02... also it is an v1 or?? |
| 16:01:19 | webguest25 | I did the player this year in october |
| 16:07:32 | webguest25 | but that can´t be v1 because than rockbox would ran on the sansa |
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| 16:13:16 | khermans | how can I boot back into rockbox after i accidentally booted into AppleOS? |
| 16:13:20 | khermans | orig firmware |
| 16:14:16 | J-23 | power off your player and power on it |
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| 16:14:35 | khermans | J-23, i did, but it seems just in standby |
| 16:14:43 | khermans | J-23, pwoeroof by holdoing play/pause ? |
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| 16:15:25 | khermans | or center + menu ? |
| 16:15:52 | J-23 | hmm... |
| 16:16:10 | khermans | J-23, k that worke ,thx |
| 16:18:07 | webguest25 | @all when i have an sansa e280 how knew i what version is on my player install?? |
| 16:19:08 | markdrago | hello everyone - i googled a bit for this to no avail - banshee wants to transcode files it sends to my rockboxed nano. Is there a way to stop that? Can I just 'cp' files to my rockbox device? |
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| 16:29:59 | TheCompWiz | anyone know where to pickup the factory default firmware for a sansa e200? this stupid thing is silk-screened with "e200R" ... but apparently it's not really a "R" |
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| 16:33:24 | lassesdatamaskin | markdrago: To get files on your nano you can just copy and paste - no more |
| 16:33:54 | markdrago | lassesdatamaskin: just right in to the .rockbox directory? can I make subdirs? |
| 16:35:45 | lassesdatamaskin | what files are you thinking of? |
| 16:36:08 | lassesdatamaskin | The rockboxed nano works like a usb device, you can make directories the same way |
| 16:36:33 | lassesdatamaskin | but the folder structure of .rockbox and the subdirectories is something you shouldn't edit, just leave as it is |
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| 16:41:34 | markdrago | Well, I have Calendars, Contacts, Notes and .rockbox Should I make like a Music main directory or something like that? |
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| 16:44:11 | TheCompWiz | grrr... sandisk technical support sucks. |
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| 16:53:02 | TheCompWiz | hm... quite possible that they're going to send me a "magic" firmware that converts to the "R" ;) |
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| 17:56:33 | Clem2 | I got a Audiophase Model KP3000 yesterday...trying to see what type of firmware it runs. |
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| 17:59:33 | linuxstb | Clem2: Is the firmware upgradable? Is a firmware available to download? |
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| 18:03:10 | Clem2 | Yes it is upgradeable |
| 18:03:30 | Clem2 | Last thing it says on the package...Supports Firmware Upgrade |
| 18:03:37 | Clem2 | I'll see if I can find what firmware it has |
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| 18:07:16 | Clem2 | When I plug it in holding the play button it reads the usb device differently on xp |
| 18:07:25 | Clem2 | stmp3500 |
| 18:07:32 | linuxstb | Anyone built the sim on Mac OS X recently? I thought it worked in the past, but it now doesn't compile (lots of complaints about duplicate functions - string.h and similar) |
| 18:09:23 | linuxstb | Clem2: That's a Sigmatel DSP... Not ideal for Rockbox. |
| 18:09:52 | Clem2 | ok, thanks for the info. |
| 18:10:14 | Clem2 | Thought it would be fun to try. |
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| 18:15:13 | Clem2 | Happy New Year All |
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| 18:21:56 | Casainho | happy with big adventures :-) |
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| 18:32:29 | lassesdatamaskin | markdrago: the calendars, contacs and notes directories are directories made from iTunes. You don't have any use for them if you don't use iTunes. you can make a folder for your music wherever you want but I recommend that you make it in the root of your player. |
| 18:33:50 | Soap | that being said - those folders will be recreated, IIRC, everytime you use the Apple firmware, regardless of if you use iTunes to load music or not. |
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| 18:34:25 | lassesdatamaskin | yes that's true |
| 18:35:54 | rasher | markdrago: It ought to be possible to tell banshee that your nano is simply a mass storage device, and that Banshee shouldn't try to be clever about it. If not, I think it's time to file a bug against Banshee. |
| 18:36:23 | lassesdatamaskin | what is banshee? |
| 18:37:22 | rasher | lassesdatamaskin: a mono/gtk# music player |
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| 19:36:08 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Just reading your new patch. The ffmpeg FAQ suggests a GOP value of 100 for "high quality mpeg 2" if I recall. If this a fair value for using with the presets, or in light of your comment that they should be frequent should I use a smaller value? |
| 19:48:04 | jhMikeS | Llorean: That's a ludicrous value. Most use much shorter groups (NTSC DVS requires 15/GOP). |
| 19:48:27 | jhMikeS | ffmpeg does stuff that's technically correct but just plain wrong for practical use |
| 19:49:31 | jhMikeS | many media players won't even bother to seek well with such large GOPs |
| 19:50:55 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Regarding fs #8362: Just to let you know, s/pdif recording does work fine |
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| 19:51:48 | amiconn | It seems the problem reported is due to a source that doesn't set the validity flag correctly. That's something the MAS also does - perhaps we should disable the validity bit check? |
| 19:51:50 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Well, the FAQ suggests 100 for mpeg 2, 300 for mpeg 4 |
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| 19:52:19 | * | amiconn did an 80-minute s/pdif recording today |
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| 19:52:51 | Llorean | jhMikeS: For Rockbox, what value would you suggest, since people will most likely use our presets blindly and expect decent performance then? |
| 19:52:54 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I can't make it do what that person describes nor can I figure what would cause it |
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| 19:54:30 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I don't know who wrote that FAQ but they should be hanged :) ffmpeg also doesn't like to use b-frames. I'd suggest about once/second on the outside which seems good enough in most cases and definitely use b-frames. |
| 19:55:49 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I'm thinking I'll program in some point of giving up on being frame-precise if it will take too long to prewind the decoder so it's at least not obnoxious on slow targets. |
| 19:55:50 | amiconn | Regarding mpeg2 - iirc the 'simple' profile doesn't allow B frames, only the 'main' profile does |
| 19:56:39 | jhMikeS | amiconn: well, perhaps that's it. I hadn't looked into profiles since it's not really relevant to decoding anything. |
| 19:56:48 | Llorean | jhMikeS: So, gop == framerate, and something I read suggests bf 2? |
| 19:56:59 | amiconn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-2#Profiles_and_Levels |
| 19:57:34 | amiconn | So we should definitely recommend main profile for encoding |
| 19:58:07 | Soap | are B frames more CPU intensive to decode? |
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| 19:58:56 | rasher | The mencoder example in the wiki seems to be wrong in some way related to b-frames. |
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| 20:00:24 | rasher | Videos encoded with the suggested settings would skip, but removing vmax_b_frames=16:vb_strategy=2 would produce videos that don't skip |
| 20:00:42 | jhMikeS | Soap: They tend not to be in my observation and are the only frame that can be skipped arbitrarily in the decoder itself. |
| 20:01:46 | jhMikeS | Lloread: I think that refers to the the number of b's between I and P at most (a guess at the option meaning). |
| 20:02:41 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Yeah, I have no idea the literal meaning either. That's what I'd guess at too. |
| 20:03:27 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I guess GOP = framerate is a good compromise. Ususally it's more often. I suppose it depends on if your priority is fast random access vs. better compression. |
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| 20:06:09 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Should I do, something like twice the framerate for the PP targets, and something else for Gigabeats? |
| 20:06:09 | andrew33 | hello |
| 20:06:14 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I have some question about graylib. Why does drawing a video frame using "ub" forever cover further drawing in the particular area? |
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| 20:07:39 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I'd recommend shorter GOP for slower targets. 1/2 framerate for that. The 1xframerate figure seems a good general compromise for all of them though. |
| 20:08:34 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Well, the encoding profiles will be per-target, so I can do 1/2 framerate for some and 1xframerate for others. |
| 20:09:29 | * | Llorean will give the patch a try after lunch and see if it noticeably breaks anything. |
| 20:09:31 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I think framecount is more important. I'm basing on 1s = ~30 frames |
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| 20:09:48 | Cannoli | hello |
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| 20:09:59 | Llorean | jhMikeS: But, 1s = # of frames per second, so framerate, right? |
| 20:10:26 | * | Llorean must've just missed something |
| 20:10:50 | jhMikeS | Llorean: If the rate is 15fps and not 30, then you can have it once ever 2 seconds and winding it up will be the same speed. |
| 20:11:00 | Llorean | Ah |
| 20:11:03 | Cannoli | i was repartitioning my 5.5g winpod and i deleted the firmware partition and remade it. now ipodpatcher doesnt locate the ipod, how can i load a backed up firmware onto the ipod without ipodpatcher? |
| 20:11:23 | Llorean | jhMikeS: But on targets where we need a 15fps framerate, the CPU is probably a good deal slower, so a lower framecount is good? |
| 20:11:30 | linuxstb | Cannoli: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
| 20:11:32 | Llorean | Well, I guess the CPU isn't really slower |
| 20:11:33 | Cannoli | the ipod says i have to hook it up to itunes and restore |
| 20:11:37 | Llorean | Just a bigger screen in most cases |
| 20:12:06 | linuxstb | Cannoli: Are you using Linux? |
| 20:12:18 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Well, I have a Nano when I get home, once you've got an actual method of seeking, I'll just experiment with values to try to pick the highest value that doesn't feel slow? |
| 20:12:57 | Cannoli | yep |
| 20:13:01 | jhMikeS | Llorean: Actually this is pretty fast with little noticeable delay on PP with 15 frames in a GOP. |
| 20:13:12 | Cannoli | linuxstb: http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ doesnt work |
| 20:13:27 | Llorean | So I'll just pick 15 then for PP, and maybe 30 for Gigabeat? |
| 20:13:35 | jhMikeS | Llorean: the same seeking is employed when in the browsing screen |
| 20:14:12 | linuxstb | Cannoli: You said you have a backup of your firmware? How did you create it? |
| 20:14:26 | jhMikeS | Llorean: yeah, could work. I have an encoding that has 250+ in a GOP and on gigabeat even that is somewhat tolerable. |
| 20:14:30 | Cannoli | ipodpatcher -r bootpartition.bin |
| 20:14:36 | Cannoli | i believe thts the command |
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| 20:16:19 | jhMikeS | Llorean: though it is a letterbox encoding and not fullscreen |
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| 20:16:32 | linuxstb | Cannoli: Then just "dd if=bootpartition.bin of=/dev/sda1" (replace sda with your ipod) should do it. |
| 20:16:32 | linuxstb | Cannoli: That's assume you've recreated the partition table correctly. |
| 20:16:34 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Alright, I'll just experiment then, now that I know roughly what to expect. |
| 20:16:35 | Llorean | Thanks |
| 20:16:46 | Cannoli | alright i'll give that a shot |
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| 20:17:47 | jhMikeS | Llorean: fortunately audio is trivial to find a precise frame and needs no decoding to do so :) |
| 20:18:35 | Cannoli | linuxstb: it kind of froze my terminal...should it be taking this long? |
| 20:19:23 | linuxstb | It shouldn't take more than about a minute - it depends on your usb speed. |
| 20:19:53 | jhMikeS | Llorean: the basic UI features are unchanged here. I wanted to wait before doing the playback UI since that's somewhat of a significant project itself. |
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| 20:20:40 | Cannoli | 206.495 seconds lol |
| 20:21:00 | linuxstb | Cannoli: How big was your bootpartition.bin ? |
| 20:21:24 | Cannoli | 125.4mb |
| 20:21:25 | Llorean | jhMikeS: So I should just use the start point chooser, and see how long it feels like it takes to render my preview frame? |
| 20:22:07 | jhMikeS | Llorean: It should take 3/4 second (for the timeout) + windup delay + any disk reading needed. |
| 20:22:07 | Cannoli | hmmm ipodpatcher still cant locate ipod |
| 20:22:09 | Cannoli | :S |
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| 20:23:09 | jhMikeS | Llorean: If you go back to a point already thumbnailed, it probably won't need to hit the disk unless data was evicted from the cache. |
| 20:23:13 | crashednano | Can anyone here give me some information about rockboy on a 1st gen nano? |
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| 20:24:40 | crashednano | I've used rockbox in the past on an old archos, and now I've successfully installed it on a 1st gen ipod nano, only to get stuck in the rockboy program. I'm in pokemon blue, just so you know. |
| 20:25:21 | crashednano | The page in the documentation says that holding select brings up the menu, but nothing of that sort happens. |
| 20:25:31 | Cannoli | try the hold switch |
| 20:25:49 | Cannoli | or center+menu |
| 20:26:04 | Cannoli | linuxstb: ipodpatcher still cant locate the ipod :S |
| 20:26:08 | crashednano | hold switch dims the screen... |
| 20:26:38 | crashednano | and now i'm holding menu+select |
| 20:27:04 | crashednano | Ok, rebooted. Thanks. |
| 20:27:24 | crashednano | I didn't know that menu+select worked in rockbox. |
| 20:27:36 | Cannoli | ... |
| 20:27:43 | Cannoli | u were just suppose to press it |
| 20:27:44 | Cannoli | XD |
| 20:27:55 | Cannoli | hmm flickiong the hold should have worked |
| 20:28:12 | crashednano | Well, menu select worked just fine. |
| 20:28:15 | Cannoli | ok |
| 20:28:33 | crashednano | It wasn't my ipod so I was freaking out for a second. |
| 20:28:40 | Cannoli | lmao |
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| 20:37:40 | edistar | the newest ipods aren't supported by rockbox, are they? |
| 20:38:55 | pixelma | what does the frontpage tell you? ;) |
| 20:39:11 | edistar | pixelma: I'll take a look ;) |
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| 20:42:41 | edistar | is the hardware so different in the newer ipods? |
| 20:43:49 | Soap | the hardware is different, and the software is locked. |
| 20:44:22 | TheCompWiz | I love my sansa now. |
| 20:44:42 | TheCompWiz | I hope the usb functionality gets implemented some day. |
| 20:45:06 | edistar | TheCompWiz: what do you mean? |
| 20:45:29 | desowin | that rockbox own usb code will work |
| 20:45:38 | TheCompWiz | you have to boot into factory firmware to use USB. |
| 20:46:05 | edistar | ah, will that be soon? |
| 20:46:09 | TheCompWiz | no clue... |
| 20:46:11 | TheCompWiz | hopeful. |
| 20:46:24 | TheCompWiz | I only got this sansa yesterday ;) |
| 20:46:50 | TheCompWiz | I don't even know who is grinding on the dev. |
| 20:48:45 | TheCompWiz | what's really funny is... it was *branded* with the 250R... which is a lot harder to convert to rockbox... but in all actuallity... this particular one was running the non-"R" bootloader... which was CAKE! |
| 20:48:54 | desowin | Zagor's usb stack is in svn now, austriancoder did the old one, and you can spot devs by looking at hostname cloaks or take a look in wiki |
| 20:49:07 | TheCompWiz | LOL |
| 20:49:15 | TheCompWiz | like I said... kinda new to this project ;) |
| 20:49:27 | TheCompWiz | I'm sure I'll get to know everyone eventually. |
| 20:49:53 | TheCompWiz | desowin: ... quick question... daily build is generated from the SVN... right? |
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| 20:50:12 | desowin | TheCompWiz: yes, there's no 'backstage' |
| 20:50:27 | TheCompWiz | didn't think so. |
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| 20:50:45 | TheCompWiz | well... all I know is... if I plug it into USB with the daily... it just reboots into factory firmware. |
| 20:50:56 | TheCompWiz | guess it's a WIP |
| 20:51:29 | desowin | it does on iPod, but not on sansa, but the bootload boots into OF if usb cable is connected, yes |
| 20:51:39 | desowin | s/bootload/bootloader/ |
| 20:51:54 | TheCompWiz | ah. |
| 20:52:12 | TheCompWiz | it's not supposed to reboot I guess. |
| 20:52:40 | TheCompWiz | prolly some bug in the stack.... oh well. |
| 20:52:50 | cg | hi, anybody here who could give me write access to the wiki? I would add my name to the RockBoxPlayer page... |
| 20:53:13 | desowin | TheCompWiz: I would suggest lurking at what developers say and svn commits... |
| 20:53:37 | desowin | cg: what's your real name? |
| 20:54:01 | cg | desowin: Henri Valta (wiki HenriValta) |
| 20:55:56 | desowin | done |
| 20:56:05 | cg | thanks! |
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| 21:05:21 | khermans | i have a whole bunch of SPX files (Speex/OGG) −− how can I get them on my rockbox? |
| 21:05:41 | khermans | here is what i already have done |
| 21:05:57 | khermans | first loaded up rockbox and it went through my itunes db |
| 21:06:20 | Soap | manually copy them over to the directory structure of your player. |
| 21:06:21 | khermans | i then converted the itunes db using itdb2tc from source on linux |
| 21:06:26 | Mouser_X | What player? More specifically, what OS are you running? Either way, you need to connect it in MSC mode (IIRC), and simply drag+drop the files to your player. It should be recognized as an external drive. |
| 21:06:33 | khermans | but now i also want to add these new files |
| 21:06:49 | Soap | you will not be able to use iTunes or iTunes database programs to copy over such files. |
| 21:06:55 | khermans | Soap, right |
| 21:07:03 | khermans | Soap, but i mean i can use both at the same time correct? |
| 21:07:07 | Mouser_X | So, just copy them to your player, as Soap said., |
| 21:07:29 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Your patch doesn't compile, for me |
| 21:07:34 | Mouser_X | You can have the files on your iPod, but your iPod won't be able to read them. |
| 21:07:41 | Mouser_X | And, you can dual-boot. |
| 21:07:58 | khermans | Mouser_X, they are not DRMd, why wont they be read? |
| 21:08:01 | Mouser_X | Sorry, the iPod OF won't be able to read them. |
| 21:08:10 | Mouser_X | Because they're SPX files. |
| 21:08:19 | Mouser_X | iPod doesn't play SPX files. |
| 21:08:21 | khermans | yes but rockbox should get them right? |
| 21:08:27 | Mouser_X | Indeed. |
| 21:08:30 | khermans | i read that rockbox supporetd spx |
| 21:08:33 | khermans | nice nice |
| 21:08:34 | jhMikeS | Llorean: did I forget a file? |
| 21:08:37 | Llorean | jhMikeS: No rule to make target `stream_thread.h', as needed by alloc.o |
| 21:08:39 | khermans | you guys rock all boxen |
| 21:08:47 | Mouser_X | khermans: Which is correct. |
| 21:08:54 | jhMikeS | Llorean: guess I forgot a file :0 |
| 21:08:57 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 21:09:12 | jhMikeS | one sec |
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| 21:13:35 | jhMikeS | Llorean: new patch up |
| 21:14:11 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Already compiling. :) |
| 21:14:23 | Llorean | Compiled fine |
| 21:14:40 | rasher | Does our resampler have problems going from 48kHz to 44.1? |
| 21:15:05 | jhMikeS | shouldn't have problems going anything from 50% to 200% at least |
| 21:16:00 | jhMikeS | 48kHz S/PDIF recordings sound ok |
| 21:17:28 | rasher | Could it be the a52 codec then? I'm getting clicks with Rockbox (sim), but not with MPlayer. |
| 21:18:28 | rasher | Or just the sim, I suppose. I'll try on target in a second. |
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| 21:19:07 | Jay | hmm i just installed rockbox yester day and ive been trying to fiqure out how to se my video podcast on rockbox |
| 21:19:17 | khermans | is the rockbox decoder for SPX with odd bitstreams a little unstable? |
| 21:19:36 | jhMikeS | rasher: could be. it could be something in the handling of the audio packets when buffering too. |
| 21:19:46 | Llorean | jhMikeS: The patch seems to work nicely with my encode of 300 at least. It's actually 2.35, I cropped it, so it's a fairly small frame. But I didn't set a -g value, I don't think, so it's whatever the default is. The preview pops up very fast (less than a second). |
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| 21:19:59 | khermans | i am listening to spx files encoded mono at 8bits 16Khz wideband |
| 21:20:22 | khermans | there is a slight hiss in talking periods |
| 21:20:42 | khermans | just wondering how stable that code is and if i can contribute |
| 21:20:55 | Llorean | khermans: Have you tried this file on a PC then? |
| 21:21:00 | khermans | Llorean, ya |
| 21:21:06 | khermans | with both vlc and totem |
| 21:21:10 | khermans | is it same libs? |
| 21:21:42 | jhMikeS | Llorean: sounds good. cropped for which player? |
| 21:21:45 | Llorean | I was going to suggest using a reference speex decoder, decode to wav, and compare it. |
| 21:21:47 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Gigabeat |
| 21:22:10 | rasher | jhMikeS: interested in a sample if I can confirm it on target? Or should I just file a bug and hope someone picks it up? |
| 21:22:12 | Llorean | So it's like 320x136 if I recall |
| 21:22:15 | XBlackChaosX | is there a way watch video podcast on rockbox |
| 21:22:35 | Llorean | XBlackChaosX: Yeah, just convert them to mpeg 2, and watch |
| 21:22:59 | jhMikeS | rasher: yeah, post one since that gives something to look at. it probably shouldn't happen on sim either though. |
| 21:23:07 | khermans | Llorean, hrmm i am not sure which implementation is a reference decoder |
| 21:23:11 | XBlackChaosX | so i can watch wat i downloaded on itunes |
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| 21:23:18 | khermans | Llorean, i might be able to use sox, but not sure how well that it |
| 21:23:55 | khermans | or speexdec |
| 21:23:57 | Llorean | khermans: http://www.speex.org/downloads/ |
| 21:24:15 | pixelma | maybe that hiss comes from the "famous" resampler if they are 16kHz? |
| 21:24:17 | khermans | Llorean, ok i got speex |
| 21:24:21 | khermans | i used that for encoding |
| 21:24:29 | khermans | they are at 16khz |
| 21:24:32 | jhMikeS | rasher: per chance give a wav dump from test_codec too ? |
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| 21:24:38 | khermans | "famous" ? |
| 21:24:39 | Llorean | pixelma: Possibly |
| 21:25:01 | XBlackChaosX | wat r some recommended patches for rockbox 4 the 5g ipod video |
| 21:25:14 | khermans | Llorean, wondering what you mean by "famous" .. |
| 21:25:26 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Just as a point, with the disk already spinning, "resume" was for all practical purposes, instant. |
| 21:25:33 | pixelma | khermans: it's not the best, I've heard |
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| 21:25:44 | khermans | pixelma, hrmm you mean at 16khz ? |
| 21:25:48 | jhMikeS | Llorean: then it's working as intended :) |
| 21:25:51 | khermans | pixelma, so maybe i should stick to 32000 ? |
| 21:27:04 | rasher | jhMikeS: Listening again now, and I'm not hearing any clicks.. Either I was imagining it, or it could be related to voice in some way (I had voice enabled in the sim, and it aborted mid-clip just before I started playing) |
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| 21:27:59 | jhMikeS | rasher: that possibility makes sense to me as well |
| 21:28:32 | rasher | Ah no, there they are again. I'll try on target, and create a wavdump if I get the clicks again. |
| 21:28:35 | webguest21 | I may be out of place, but have installed RockBox on 5.5G iPod, and it wont read menus in database |
| 21:29:08 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Interestingly enough, both of those were encoded with -g 300, because I was just using a semi-modified command line from my mpeg4 encodes (which was based on an "I have no clue what these parameters do, people seem to suggest this" methodology) |
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| 21:29:25 | Llorean | jhMikeS: By "both" I mean "the two videos I just tried with practically instant seek/resume" |
| 21:30:01 | pikhq | Hey; just got a Sanse e260 running Rockbox. . . Anyways, I have a divide by zero error in Rockbox, and can't seem to get it to restart. |
| 21:30:05 | pikhq | Any help? |
| 21:30:21 | rasher | pikhq: hold the power button for 15 seconds |
| 21:30:25 | linuxstb | Hold the power button for about 10-15 seconds |
| 21:30:34 | pikhq | Thanks. |
| 21:30:39 | Mouser_X | pikhq: Or hold it for 30, if 15 wasn't enough. |
| 21:31:06 | * | pikhq now just wonders why viewing "Recently Added" in the database caused that |
| 21:32:03 | jhMikeS | Llorean: perhaps on gigabeat it'll blast through it fast enough. on lesser devices the delay will be noticeable though and even annoying if GOPs are 300 frames. |
| 21:33:56 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I'll pick saner values. Even ffmpeg doesn't suggest 300 for mpeg 2, I just accidentally used it because I had no clue. :) |
| 21:34:19 | khermans | Llorean, i think you were right −− the reference speexenc encoder must have issues at 16khz |
| 21:34:35 | khermans | i used speexdec to convert to wav and the same hiss was there :-9 |
| 21:34:57 | khermans | damn ... rockbox is very nice indeed nevertheless! |
| 21:35:05 | khermans | can i make a donation? |
| 21:35:09 | Llorean | khermans: It might be the bitrate you're encoding at. |
| 21:35:12 | khermans | like $20 or something |
| 21:35:22 | Llorean | Totem and VLC might have some form of post-processing attempt. |
| 21:35:31 | linuxstb | khermans: Sure, there's a paypal donation link on the website |
| 21:35:36 | * | Llorean wouldn't expect it of Totem though |
| 21:35:38 | khermans | linuxstb, k thx |
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| 21:38:53 | XBlackChaosX | where do i put patches for rockbox |
| 21:39:17 | khermans | linuxstb, @done −−> echo $20.00 | bjorn@haxx.se |
| 21:39:41 | Llorean | XBlackChaosX: Wherever you want, patches have to be applied to the source code before you compile, the files themselves can go anywhere because it's just a place to store them until you apply them. |
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| 21:39:49 | linuxstb | khermans: Thanks! Glad you like Rockbox. |
| 21:40:00 | khermans | linuxstb, rock on dudez... |
| 21:42:15 | XBlackChaosX | hmm i apprecite the hlp Llorean but im new wit rockbox so i didnt really understand wat u said |
| 21:42:42 | XBlackChaosX | how do i apply them 2 the source code |
| 21:43:38 | khermans | XBlackChaosX, patch -p0 |
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| 21:44:12 | linuxstb | XBlackChaosX: You may want to look for pre-compiled versions of Rockbox including the patches you want to use - try looking in the "unsupport builds" forum. |
| 21:45:33 | XBlackChaosX | oh ok thx alot linuxstb and since i installed rockbox yesterday i am loving this it is way better then the apple fw and im definitly sticking wit rockbox :) |
| 21:50:22 | cg | pikhq: i can reproduce the divide by zero in recently added... |
| 21:50:55 | cg | if you have empty list in recently added and try to use <random> |
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| 21:55:43 | cg | seems to be line 1389 in tagtree.c |
| 21:57:03 | TheCompWiz | grrr... not much I can glean from the developer notes & forums that says a whole lot about sansa usb functionality. |
| 21:57:57 | linuxstb | That's because there basically isn't any usb functionality... |
| 21:58:03 | TheCompWiz | LOL |
| 21:58:04 | cg | could some dev fix this or should i submit patch? |
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| 21:58:35 | TheCompWiz | still... if I plug in a usb cable... it reboots. very much an "undocumented" feature. |
| 21:59:44 | rasher | cg: Patches are always welcome |
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| 22:13:35 | linuxstb | cg: I've no idea what that function is doing, so wouldn't like to guess a fix... A patch or bug report is probably best, unless someone shouts. |
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| 22:16:07 | cg | linuxstb: i made a patch that seems to work properly: FS #8375 |
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| 22:26:36 | XBlackChaosX | i downloaded a theme and for some reason ita not showing the wps that it showed in the screenshot |
| 22:27:02 | linuxstb | The theme is either broken, or requires features not in the official builds, so Rockbox rejects it. |
| 22:27:19 | linuxstb | Or rather, the wps part of the theme. |
| 22:28:06 | Daniel_S | The mpegplayer seek patch works great on H300 with all my videos. Thanks. But do you know that it takes ages to seek through videos with 1 hour length? |
| 22:28:08 | Mouser_X | XBlackChaosX: They've tightened up the WPS parser. I have a WPS that, more than once, hasn't worked in Rockbox. I've had to edit it to fix these problems. |
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| 22:30:06 | Mouser_X | XBlackChaosX: If you want to fix that WPS yourself, you can try finding "checkwps.exe" or read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
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| 22:33:53 | XBlackChaosX | oh hey mouser |
| 22:34:00 | XBlackChaosX | its me jay |
| 22:36:03 | XBlackChaosX | yea but there is alot if wps that dont wrk and how do i edit them cause remember ijust started yesterday |
| 22:36:08 | khermans | does Rockbox not filter .aac files in the list by default? |
| 22:36:24 | khermans | will i need to rename them all to .m4a or .mp4 or something simialr? |
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| 22:39:03 | Llorean | Isn't .aac usually indicative of a raw AAC stream? I think rockbox expects them to be in an mp4 container. |
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| 22:44:20 | Mouser_X | XBlackChaosX: Read that page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 22:44:48 | Mouser_X | WPS files are TEXT files, and can be opened in a text editor (such as Notepad, or Wordpad, or whatever your OS uses.) |
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| 22:44:53 | khermans | Llorean, i just used faac -b 32 to encode some wavs |
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| 22:45:48 | linuxstb | khermans: Are you on Linux? |
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| 22:53:48 | XBlackChaosX | hey mouser do u know the original rockbox wps thats first installed |
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| 22:55:10 | XavierGr | I think I will never be able to surpass amiconn's & pixelma's tower of rockbox! This thing is huge, nicely built and so cool! :D |
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| 22:55:49 | Bagder | indeed impressive! |
| 22:56:12 | Bagder | they did raise the bar quite a bit |
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| 22:57:23 | XBlackChaosX | wat is the tower of rockbox? |
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| 22:59:02 | Bagder | XBlackChaosX: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TowerOfRockbox |
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| 23:00:03 | Mouser_X | XBlackChaosX: Yes, I'm aware of it. I've seen it pretty rarely though. |
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| 23:00:59 | XBlackChaosX | well mouser thats wat show up instead of theajant orange wps |
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| 23:01:14 | XBlackChaosX | well mouser thats wat show up instead of the ajant orange wps |
| 23:01:15 | amiconn | jhMikeS: still around? |
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| 23:02:25 | khermans | linuxstb, yes i am on linux |
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| 23:02:34 | billenium12 | hey |
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| 23:03:02 | billenium12 | i dont know if this has to deal with rockbox or anything. But when i download Cygwin and try to install it, my internet always cuts out.. and i cant start again from 10 percent, can i? |
| 23:03:03 | khermans | linuxstb, is there an issue with wav->aac encoding using faac on linux? |
| 23:03:19 | billenium12 | also is there another way i can get a compiler for rockbox? |
| 23:04:01 | khermans | billenium12, get a download manager or use wget -c |
| 23:04:14 | amiconn | Bagder: This tower didn't even contain all targets... my Ondio SP, the 1st Gen iPod (still opened) and another X5 are missing... Plus some more spare parts I have lying around |
| 23:04:15 | Mouser_X | XBlackChaosX: Your point? The WPS is obviously not working, so it loaded the default. |
| 23:04:22 | khermans | linuxstb, file output −−> 01.aac: MPEG ADTS, AAC, v2 LC, 44.1 kHz, monaural |
| 23:04:35 | XavierGr | amiconn: then we are expecting an update soon :P |
| 23:04:38 | XBlackChaosX | oh ok so is there a way to fix that |
| 23:05:39 | Mouser_X | XBlackChaosX: Yes, and I told you how. |
| 23:06:07 | amiconn | XavierGr: Btw, the tower was actually quite solid - the iAudio docks (front part) help a lot, and also the fact that the fullsize iPods perfectly fit the cut-outs in the archos rubber corners |
| 23:06:22 | Mouser_X | XBlackChaosX: Look at about 30 minutes ago. |
| 23:06:58 | Mouser_X | *34 min. ago, or 20 min. ago. |
| 23:07:08 | XBlackChaosX | lol smartass |
| 23:08:05 | XBlackChaosX | but that link tells me aboutall these things that i dont understand |
| 23:08:24 | XBlackChaosX | ill try my best though so thx alot mouser i appreciate it ;) |
| 23:08:28 | Mouser_X | Indeed. Read it, and compare it to the WPS you're trying to get working. |
| 23:09:06 | XBlackChaosX | so i have 2 read the whole thing |
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| 23:09:19 | Mouser_X | Specifically, what I do is I'll load the WPS into Notepad, and then use CTRL+F to find the bits that I don't understand. |
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| 23:09:43 | Mouser_X | CTRL+F in Firefox, on that CutstomWPS page. |
| 23:09:46 | rigel | so the rockbox devs like the sandisk players, i was wondering if anyone was looking at the "sansa connect" |
| 23:09:54 | rigel | because that would be totally badass |
| 23:09:59 | rigel | with the wifi |
| 23:10:07 | rigel | like a hacked zune, which somehow never happened |
| 23:10:12 | khermans | i am having a problem playing back faac -b 32 encoded wav files |
| 23:10:30 | khermans | saved an transferred as .aac, .m4a, and .mp4 |
| 23:10:36 | khermans | .aac doesnt show up in list |
| 23:10:44 | khermans | .m4a and .mp4 both wont play |
| 23:11:26 | Mouser_X | khermans: Have you tried playing the file using a different program? Like, Winamp, foobar2000, etc? |
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| 23:11:52 | khermans | Mouser_X, vlc and totem both work great |
| 23:12:02 | Mouser_X | If it plays in one of those, what kind of info do those give you for that file? |
| 23:12:17 | Mouser_X | Specifically, perhaps the file is missing something the Rockbox expects to see. |
| 23:12:32 | khermans | Mouser_X, −−> file 01.aac ... 01.aac: MPEG ADTS, AAC, v2 LC, 44.1 kHz, monaural |
| 23:13:26 | Mouser_X | I'm not anywhere near familiar enough with AAC to know what that means... Sorry. |
| 23:13:42 | khermans | linuxstb was. but he wetn away it seems |
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| 23:13:58 | Mouser_X | I don't use AAC, but I figured perhaps if you could get more info, it'd help narrow down the problem. |
| 23:14:12 | khermans | Mouser_X, i think it is a decoding issue |
| 23:14:20 | Mouser_X | No idea. |
| 23:14:25 | khermans | Mouser_X, how to find out? |
| 23:15:08 | mokkurkalve | must not aac files be put in mp4 container? raw aac files are probably not played. You cannot only rename aac to mp4 if it's not actually in mp4 container.... also there is many profiles rockbox don't play. iTunes encoded LC-AAC CBR files seemst to work, but last time I tried some Nero encoded LC-AAC VBR files they didn't play. Don't really use aac so I haven't tried much though.... |
| 23:16:04 | khermans | mokkurkalve, faac makes RAW non-mp4? |
| 23:16:19 | khermans | hrmm ... well vlc and totem and mplayer all play the RAW AAC |
| 23:16:37 | khermans | is it impossible for Rockbox to? |
| 23:16:59 | khermans | anyways, i think there is an faad option to make mp4 with -a |
| 23:17:01 | mokkurkalve | read the man pages, I dunno what it does by default.... I think it can do both |
| 23:17:27 | mokkurkalve | I don't think RB plays raw aac |
| 23:17:42 | mokkurkalve | not sure though |
| 23:17:50 | Llorean | khermans: Rockbox expect MP4 containers |
| 23:18:03 | rigel | aac is lame anyhow |
| 23:18:07 | Llorean | Since they're *supposed* to be in one, and there's not really a proper way to tag them otherwise. |
| 23:18:30 | khermans | Llorean, i see what you mean |
| 23:18:43 | khermans | Llorean, the raw aac doesnt have the bits for file identification |
| 23:18:58 | khermans | i guess i should have used the -w option in faac |
| 23:19:00 | khermans | heh! |
| 23:19:20 | khermans | Llorean, i was just telling morkkukalve that vlc, totem, and mplayer all play raw AAC |
| 23:19:25 | Llorean | So? |
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| 23:19:31 | khermans | didnt know if there was a lib to rip that functionality from |
| 23:19:53 | khermans | Llorean, i dont mind adding that feature to rb myself |
| 23:19:57 | Llorean | Rockbox doesn't support every container / format possible. |
| 23:20:09 | khermans | but its best to ask here first about the implementation |
| 23:20:10 | Llorean | For example, you can encode all sorts of audio in mkv containers, but we don't support them at all, I believe. |
| 23:20:25 | khermans | matroska? |
| 23:20:46 | Llorean | It should be able to contain nearly any sort of audio stream, being just a container format. |
| 23:21:20 | mokkurkalve | RB don't support Matroska, I'm sure |
| 23:21:30 | khermans | coll so ill just make an mp4 container |
| 23:21:35 | Llorean | AAC audio on its own shouldn't really be anything but an MP4 container, being mpeg 4 audio. My point was just that trying to support every codec / container mix isn't really feasible or wanted. |
| 23:22:05 | khermans | Llorean, i guess i was just so surprised that Rockbox supported SPX that I went crazy assuming it supported much more! |
| 23:22:49 | Llorean | SPX is "speex in an ogg container" |
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| 23:22:55 | Llorean | We support formats in their native container. |
| 23:22:57 | khermans | Llorean, yup |
| 23:23:15 | khermans | i am glad to have ogg support |
| 23:24:59 | Llorean | My understanding is that faac is a rather sub-par AAC encoder anyway. |
| 23:25:32 | khermans | Llorean, :-( |
| 23:25:36 | Llorean | But Vorbis, FLAC and Speex generally meet all my current needs anyway, and anything you're likely to find provided elsewhere is going to be MP3 or a proper MP4/AAC anyway. |
| 23:25:39 | khermans | Llorean, i got nothing else on linux |
| 23:26:01 | Llorean | Why do you need AAC specifically, though? |
| 23:26:01 | linuxstb | You can use Nero's free (as in beer) AAC encoder with Wine. |
| 23:26:17 | khermans | Llorean, i am a huge open source afficianado :-) |
| 23:26:29 | khermans | Llorean, oh i dont −− OGG is great, but for low-bitrate audiobooks |
| 23:26:35 | khermans | i thinkj AAC does better |
| 23:26:37 | Llorean | OGG is a container. |
| 23:26:41 | Llorean | Spx does better than AAC. |
| 23:26:42 | khermans | vorbis |
| 23:27:04 | khermans | linuxstb, haha no way ! |
| 23:27:13 | khermans | linuxstb, i wouldnt steep that low |
| 23:27:18 | Llorean | HE-AAC *might* reach semi-competitive qualities at low enough bitrates, but HE-AAC requires a significant cpu overhead. |
| 23:27:27 | khermans | linuxstb, give me freedom or give me death −− i pay for it |
| 23:27:34 | Llorean | khermans: Then you can't use AAC |
| 23:27:49 | Llorean | If you're going to be so gung-ho about open source software, I'm surprised you're willing to use such a patent encumbered format. |
| 23:28:02 | khermans | Llorean, hehe yes aac/mp3 is bad |
| 23:28:15 | khermans | Llorean, i agree −− but i was merely testing the device |
| 23:28:18 | khermans | and rockbox |
| 23:28:45 | khermans | Llorean, i still use flash, what choice do i have :-9 |
| 23:28:59 | khermans | youtube, google, everyone push it down my throat |
| 23:29:17 | khermans | i plan to use vorbis mainly |
| 23:30:47 | JThundley | I live without flash, it's not that hard |
| 23:30:56 | khermans | JThundley, dont go to youtube? |
| 23:30:59 | JThundley | I use the youtube-dl script to download stuff |
| 23:31:04 | Mouser_X | Same. |
| 23:31:06 | khermans | JThundley, well sure ... |
| 23:31:23 | khermans | there is DownloadHelper |
| 23:31:25 | khermans | for FF |
| 23:31:28 | JThundley | then I don't have to wait for it stream, I just collect links from other people and watch them all at once when I'm bored |
| 23:31:44 | JThundley | I have a klipper action set up, so I just copy a youtube url to my clipboard and I get a little popup to click on |
| 23:31:48 | * | Mouser_X transcodes them for use in Rockbox... |
| 23:31:49 | khermans | JThundley, you are leeching youporn arent you :-P |
| 23:32:01 | JThundley | I have that script too, but I don't use it, I swear! |
| 23:32:24 | Llorean | Please keep the channel on-topic to Rockbox |
| 23:32:32 | JThundley | will do |
| 23:32:36 | Mouser_X | I did mention Rockbox... |
| 23:32:39 | khermans | JThundley, did you know that guy started that less than a year ago and is a harvard MBA planning to sell it for a cool 20 milliion this year? |
| 23:32:43 | khermans | Llorean, sorry |
| 23:32:56 | khermans | i dont think rockbox can play vids yet |
| 23:33:02 | Mouser_X | It can. |
| 23:33:07 | Mouser_X | MPEG 1 and 2. |
| 23:33:08 | khermans | Mouser_X, oh really!?!? |
| 23:33:09 | JThundley | yep |
| 23:33:18 | khermans | very nice <−− in borat voice |
| 23:33:18 | Mouser_X | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 23:33:59 | Mouser_X | khermans: It's been able to play them since Jan. or March. |
| 23:34:05 | Mouser_X | (Something like that.) |
| 23:34:14 | Llorean | Mouser_X: We're getting seeking *very* soon, I think |
| 23:34:24 | Mouser_X | Wow, I wasn't expecting that. |
| 23:34:31 | Llorean | There's a patch in the tracker that lets you select a start point to within a second, very quickly, now. |
| 23:34:59 | Mouser_X | I was reading here, and it sounded like it might be coming, but I always figured seeking was to CPU-intensive to be feasable. |
| 23:35:01 | Llorean | It's basically ready for seeking, but he wants to make sure the patch itself works before he adds controls and user interface hoo-ha for the actual seeking |
| 23:35:20 | Llorean | How CPU intensive it's going to be is partially going to depend on how you encode the videos. |
| 23:35:20 | Mouser_X | Wow indeed. |
| 23:35:25 | XBlackChaosX | how do i install the multiplle font patch mouser? |
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| 23:35:33 | Llorean | XBlackChaosX: Learn to compile your own build first. |
| 23:35:42 | XBlackChaosX | ok thx |
| 23:35:45 | Mouser_X | XBlackChaosX: Due to your level of expertise, I'd say that you don't install it. |
| 23:36:05 | khermans | Llorean, not easy as make ? |
| 23:36:10 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Basically, iiuc, how much work the CPU has to do will depend on how many frames you've set for the group of pictures value when encoding. |
| 23:36:15 | XBlackChaosX | but thats the only way i can get my wps to work |
| 23:36:30 | Mouser_X | XBlackChaosX: Not true. Remove that need. |
| 23:36:31 | Llorean | khermans: Nah, it really is, but a lot of people come from windows, so they have to set up cygwin first. And even linux people must install the cross compilers. |
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| 23:37:27 | Mouser_X | XBlackChaosX: As in, open the WPS in a text editor (Notepad, for example), and find the place where it specifies the need for multiple fonts, and remove it. |
| 23:37:47 | * | Mouser_X has done this on occasion. |
| 23:37:57 | Mouser_X | (Though, not for mult-font stuff.) |
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