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| 00:04:31 | DefineByte | Are contractions in the manual even important? Shall I just move on? xD |
| 00:05:06 | * | Bagder doesn't care much |
| 00:05:50 | DefineByte | so that's one vote for 'stfu db'. |
| 00:06:16 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 00:07:31 | * | Llorean has stated his side already. :) |
| 00:07:59 | DefineByte | I'm just wondering how things ever get decided. :D |
| 00:08:16 | Llorean | Someone arbitrates. |
| 00:08:27 | Llorean | Or someone makes an arbitrary decision to commit or reject. |
| 00:08:28 | Bagder | we don't really go for consensus |
| 00:09:14 | Llorean | Consensus can't really work on a large scale unless you codify some sort of complicated voting solution. |
| 00:09:18 | DefineByte | hmm, okay. So the idea is to keep bugging someone till they commit it? Might get annoying. 8) |
| 00:09:31 | Llorean | Generally someone just has to take responsibility (and/or blame) |
| 00:11:20 | DefineByte | Hey, give me commit rights for the manual and I'll take all the blame (I know, I know). |
| 00:11:30 | DefineByte | ;) |
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| 00:49:59 | saratoga | Buschel: any reason you don't use a multimeter for power testing? |
| 00:50:09 | saratoga | they're quite handy, and very inexpensive |
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| 00:55:51 | saratoga | markun: i want your broken WMA files |
| 00:56:56 | saratoga | in theory everything >= 16kbps should work perfectly, and less then that should work no worse then ffmpeg |
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| 01:07:04 | Buschel | saratoga: in fact i have got a multimeter, but i never opened up my ipod. and i thought that there is no easy way to access the battery/board for current measurements. |
| 01:08:16 | saratoga | Buschel: on my Sansa, I can remove the battery and measure current draw via the USB connector |
| 01:08:24 | saratoga | the same might work for the Ipod |
| 01:09:03 | saratoga | assuming you don't mind sacrificing a USB to USB extender cable |
| 01:10:21 | Buschel | so, you completely remove the battery and drive the unit via USB-power? |
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| 01:10:59 | saratoga | Buschel: yes |
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| 01:15:48 | Buschel | saratoga: maybe i try find out how to remove the battery and which cables to chose from the (then) sacrificied USB-adaptor |
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| 01:33:21 | wurzelnase | nickserv register xDb6aPCsb5ZG |
| 01:33:52 | advcomp2019 | wurzelnase, you that wrong |
| 01:33:59 | advcomp2019 | did^ |
| 01:34:00 | wurzelnase | sorry |
| 01:34:13 | wurzelnase | i am new to this |
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| 01:58:21 | wurzelnase | are there any devs online who could answer a question about CF mods? |
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| 02:00:13 | scorche | you dont necessarily need a dev for that |
| 02:01:43 | wurzelnase | 'k |
| 02:02:02 | wurzelnase | i've converted a 30gb ipod vidoe to use CF |
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| 02:02:21 | wurzelnase | i used a 16gb a-data 40x |
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| 02:02:33 | wurzelnase | rb and apple firmware works fine |
| 02:02:46 | wurzelnase | when i use a transcend 133x |
| 02:02:51 | wurzelnase | i get |
| 02:03:17 | wurzelnase | rockbox boot loader |
| 02:03:18 | wurzelnase | version: 2.0 |
| 02:03:18 | wurzelnase | ipod version: 0xffffffff |
| 02:03:18 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK wurzelnase |
| 02:03:18 | wurzelnase | ata: -80 |
| 02:03:18 | wurzelnase | no partition found |
| 02:03:29 | wurzelnase | apple firmware still works |
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| 02:04:18 | wurzelnase | i've compiled a custom bootloader and firmware for the iPod video following the iPod mini to CF conversion settings |
| 02:04:29 | wurzelnase | now i am stuck |
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| 02:43:31 | waldo | got a question a sansa c200 with rockbox on it .. can i delete all the files from the original software ? cause when i connect it to my pc with the player turned off it boots to the original software (via a text screen saying somethin about it beeing a e200 while its a c200) .. when i connect it to the pc while running rockbox rockbox freezes |
| 02:43:57 | waldo | i have to yank out the batt. to get it to reboot |
| 02:44:43 | Mouser_X | Waldo: Hold the power button for 30 seconds to reboot. |
| 02:44:53 | Mouser_X | You don't need to pull the battery. |
| 02:45:11 | waldo | its faster then waiting 30 secs :) |
| 02:45:23 | waldo | is it normal that it freezes ? |
| 02:45:44 | Mouser_X | The USB support in Rockbox is incomplete, so it's not unexpected. |
| 02:46:03 | Mouser_X | It *shouldn't* do that, but the fact that it doesn't is not surprising. |
| 02:46:18 | Mouser_X | *does |
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| 02:46:45 | Mouser_X | Also, it's 10-30 seconds. |
| 02:47:13 | waldo | ... not helping any will be the fact that i'm using linux ... i've seen it at a friends house that when it connects to a windows box .. rockbox doesn't crash but the mounted partition is not the one linux mounts ... kinda makes no sense :S |
| 02:47:53 | saratoga | rockbox doesn't mount anything since USB mode doesn't work |
| 02:48:51 | waldo | yet windows showed an extra drive ... will check it out on my next encounter with a windooz pc |
| 02:49:01 | saratoga | if it showed a disk it wasn't due to rockbox |
| 02:50:33 | waldo | I can't delete the remaining sansa software then ? since i guess its nescesary for usb support ? |
| 02:50:55 | Mouser_X | Pretty muhc. |
| 02:50:58 | Mouser_X | *much |
| 02:51:28 | Mouser_X | All that USB can do in Rockbox right now is to request enough power to charge/run the device. |
| 02:51:39 | Mouser_X | File transfers (if any form) don't work at all. |
| 02:51:49 | Mouser_X | *(of any form) |
| 02:52:13 | waldo | damn , it's only a GB big, and that too on there ... |
| 02:52:20 | waldo | shall have to kick Doom |
| 02:52:55 | Mouser_X | There's probably *some* things you can get rid of, but I doubt there's very much. |
| 02:53:33 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 02:53:33 | * | Mouser_X deleted all his DOOM stuff recently to make room for music. He never played DOOM anyway. |
| 02:54:26 | waldo | the sceen is kinda small , the buttons are crap, and the sound is terrible ... |
| 02:54:41 | waldo | but it's impressive to show to geeks |
| 02:54:53 | waldo | difficult to choose :D |
| 02:55:02 | Mouser_X | Actually, excluding the wheel, I found that playing GB games on my Sansa worked better than playing them on my Gigabeat. |
| 02:55:27 | Mouser_X | At least, the buttons were easier to handle. |
| 02:55:39 | Mouser_X | It was a freaking *TON* slower though. |
| 02:55:53 | Mouser_X | (And this is with audio disabled in Rockboy.) |
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| 03:10:43 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
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| 03:12:25 | countrymonkey | Where are human voicefonts obtainable? |
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| 03:27:46 | Jbob | hey |
| 03:27:53 | countrymonkey | hey |
| 03:28:42 | Jbob | wondering if the rockbox sansa e200 version supports the 8 gb sansa as well |
| 03:29:05 | countrymonkey | yes. |
| 03:29:14 | countrymonkey | the e280v1. |
| 03:29:32 | countrymonkey | and the e280r. |
| 03:29:46 | Jbob | ooh yay! thanks alot |
| 03:30:33 | countrymonkey | doi tasi mashite. Your welcome. |
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| 03:30:58 | psycho_maniac | thanks for staying |
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| 03:37:15 | Soap | looking @ rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/2007.php">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/2007.php , saratoga Mouser_X DataGhost dionoea psycho_maniac (amongst others) should be nice (wo)men and fill out http://rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks |
| 03:37:33 | * | Mouser_X has no Wiki account. |
| 03:37:59 | psycho_maniac | I thought i did fill that out |
| 03:38:10 | psycho_maniac | i did fill that out |
| 03:39:26 | psycho_maniac | psycho_maniac Jerry Lange GMT-6 |
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| 03:42:28 | saratoga | ok edited |
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| 03:50:37 | Ace | Hello sorry to bother |
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| 03:51:31 | Ace | I was trying to install rockbox on my sansa e280 and the utility wont detect it |
| 03:51:32 | countrymonkey | yes |
| 03:51:53 | Ace | do you know what may be the problem? |
| 03:52:03 | Mouser_X | What version of the Sansa do you have? |
| 03:52:08 | Mouser_X | Is it a e280v2? |
| 03:52:16 | Mouser_X | (Check the back of your device.) |
| 03:52:36 | Mouser_X | (Checking the firmware version of the e280 would also work.) |
| 03:52:45 | Ace | hmm |
| 03:53:01 | advcomp2019 | Ace, check the firmware is it easier |
| 03:53:02 | Ace | the v2s are the ones with the big scroll wheel right? |
| 03:53:19 | Mouser_X | No, they're supposed to be identifcal. |
| 03:53:25 | Ace | when i plug it in it says e280 |
| 03:53:30 | Mouser_X | In their outward appearance, anyway. |
| 03:53:36 | Mouser_X | That's not the firmware version. |
| 03:53:45 | Mouser_X | Thus, it doesn't answer my question. |
| 03:53:58 | Ace | oh k one sec |
| 03:54:03 | psycho_maniac | look on the back |
| 03:54:17 | Ace | ah it says e280 on the back |
| 03:54:36 | ze | haha |
| 03:54:50 | Ace | =P sorry lol |
| 03:54:55 | Mouser_X | That's a good sign, but the firmware version will garantee which version you have. |
| 03:55:16 | Ace | hmm.. |
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| 03:55:39 | Ace | how can I find out? |
| 03:55:48 | advcomp2019 | Ace, setting then info |
| 03:56:01 | advcomp2019 | (on the sansa) |
| 03:56:13 | Ace | alright |
| 03:57:02 | Ace | Version 01.02.18A it says |
| 03:57:17 | Ace | so I assume thats a v1? |
| 03:57:21 | advcomp2019 | Ace, that is a v1 |
| 03:57:22 | karashata | you have a v1, yes |
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| 03:57:51 | Ace | thats a good sign |
| 03:58:03 | advcomp2019 | Ace, do you have it in MTP or MSC mode |
| 03:58:33 | Ace | but then when I plug it into my comp, the utility doesnt detect even if I do it manually |
| 03:58:38 | Ace | i treid both |
| 03:58:43 | Ace | its on MSC right now |
| 03:59:11 | Mouser_X | Don't use the auto-method then. |
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| 03:59:20 | Ace | I did that |
| 03:59:40 | Ace | I set it to the right drive |
| 03:59:57 | Ace | and to the e200 sansa model |
| 03:59:58 | Mouser_X | So, the utility, sansapatcher, isn't workong for you? |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:14 | Mouser_X | Or, are you trying to use RButility? |
| 04:00:14 | saratoga | Ace: he means try the manual install with sansapatcher |
| 04:00:39 | saratoga | where you drag rockbox onto the player and then run the patcher utility to put the bootloader on |
| 04:00:51 | Ace | ohh |
| 04:00:57 | Ace | kk Ill try that |
| 04:01:09 | Ace | thanks alot~ :D |
| 04:01:30 | Mouser_X | The auto-installer rarely works, from what I've seen. |
| 04:01:47 | Mouser_X | Which is why the manual tells you to use the manual method. |
| 04:01:56 | Mouser_X | (2.3.2, IIRC) |
| 04:02:05 | Ace | =/ I see |
| 04:02:16 | Ace | well the manual method is working now |
| 04:03:52 | psycho_maniac | I like doing the manual installation on every player i have. |
| 04:04:17 | * | Mouser_X has never actually used RButil. |
| 04:04:42 | Mouser_X | I've downloaded it a few times, and run it a few times, but I don't think I've ever actually done anything with it. |
| 04:05:10 | psycho_maniac | same here. |
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| 04:12:10 | countrymonkey | I use it even though I know how to do the manual method. |
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| 04:13:03 | psycho_maniac | whenever i am reading the manual for a new player i have and get to the installation part i instantly skip the "auto installation" part and say to myself "screw that" |
| 04:13:40 | Alonea | quick question, has album art been added yet? |
| 04:14:16 | karashata | Alonea, yes |
| 04:14:23 | countrymonkey | Hai. Yes. Ja. |
| 04:15:17 | karashata | was added Nov. 11, 2007, according to the MajorChanges wiki page |
| 04:15:19 | Alonea | so, I dont have to get anything extra for album art to work for the WPS, correct? |
| 04:16:03 | karashata | nope |
| 04:16:26 | psycho_maniac | they have to be in bmp format and they have to be the size the wps calls for |
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| 04:18:07 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: usually 100x100? and is there a page explaining how the album art works? |
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| 04:18:53 | karashata | Alonea: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
| 04:18:56 | psycho_maniac | yes. |
| 04:19:04 | karashata | explains fairly nicely how it works currently |
| 04:19:06 | Alonea | thank you |
| 04:19:38 | karashata | no problem |
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| 04:21:08 | moos | hi there |
| 04:21:27 | moos | any gigabeat around by any luck? |
| 04:21:33 | moos | +user :) |
| 04:21:51 | Alonea | i am |
| 04:21:55 | countrymonkey | Hi Mustapha |
| 04:22:06 | Alonea | moos: gigabeat user that is |
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| 04:22:27 | moos | Hi countrymonkey |
| 04:22:48 | moos | Alonea: do you know which combo reset rockbox seetings for gigabeat by any luck? |
| 04:22:58 | moos | didn't find out on the manual |
| 04:23:55 | Alonea | moos: aww crap...lemme think |
| 04:24:28 | Alonea | moos: reset the settings right? |
| 04:24:34 | moos | yup, please |
| 04:24:41 | moos | at start |
| 04:24:42 | Alonea | moos: wait, there isnt a combo. there is an option to do it under settings |
| 04:25:02 | Alonea | moos: goto settings, manage settings,, reset settings |
| 04:25:26 | moos | yeah I know but my gigabeat is bugging and don't let me go untile the seeting, that's why the reset seeting at start is for... |
| 04:26:00 | moos | any target have his combo for reseting the seetings at boot procedure... |
| 04:26:47 | countrymonkey | delete the config.cfg file. works with all targets. the file is under .rockbox. |
| 04:27:13 | psycho_maniac | on the gigabeat when it boots hold the A button to reset settigns |
| 04:27:25 | moos | countrymonkey:don't have the time either to go until the file... |
| 04:27:31 | Alonea | moos: ah, ok. |
| 04:27:43 | moos | psycho_maniac:merci, I thought I did try, let's see |
| 04:27:48 | Alonea | moos: yes, A, I just remembered |
| 04:28:01 | Alonea | moos: its been too long... |
| 04:28:46 | moos | psycho_maniac: wee, thanks again, and thanks to other anyway :) |
| 04:28:52 | moos | +s |
| 04:29:58 | moos | countrymonkey: how goes your language voice patch? while we meet |
| 04:30:31 | countrymonkey | Translated a few more. Got a lot done on the road trip but there is so many strings. |
| 04:31:39 | countrymonkey | But I am beginning to hate the work. I have half a mind to post what I got and chuck the project. |
| 04:31:41 | moos | countrymonkey: nice. I know the feeling, the file is huge... (I maintain the french lang). |
| 04:32:18 | countrymonkey | I am aware. But lucky you, all you do is update. I would do the japanese lang, but my comp cannot write catacana and hiragana. |
| 04:32:31 | moos | the update isn't hurry, take your time... |
| 04:33:02 | moos | countrymonkey: I reworked the file almost from the scratch a while ago... |
| 04:33:21 | countrymonkey | At least all I must do is the bocol translation. (the nynorsk one is already voiceable) |
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| 04:33:37 | moos | the french one that is, I know that the language file countain lots of strings (and we do have less know since langv2) |
| 04:33:45 | moos | ah ok |
| 04:34:10 | countrymonkey | Why did ou rework the french file? And there is a bug I should tell you about.? |
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| 04:34:43 | countrymonkey | The name is francais.lang, but it should be français.lang |
| 04:35:25 | countrymonkey | Could this be fixed? |
| 04:35:58 | moos | because that was a bit one "belgium french" due to the previous uodater that was from belgium...then I remade the file to have strings the more pedagogical for noobs... |
| 04:36:08 | moos | yup we canot do so... |
| 04:36:38 | Alonea | speaking of resetting the settings, what is the key for the sansa? right arrow or something else? |
| 04:37:10 | moos | Alonea: I even didn't find the thing on manual, I don't now if there is somewhere?? |
| 04:37:32 | countrymonkey | moos: I didn't understand a word about that answering post. |
| 04:37:33 | Alonea | moos: have no idea |
| 04:37:57 | karashata | Alonea, IIRC it's the select key |
| 04:37:58 | moos | countrymonkey: one countaining a typo? ;) |
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| 04:38:12 | countrymonkey | and the weird english. |
| 04:38:27 | moos | apologies :) |
| 04:38:54 | moos | 04:38 AM here in Paris made the excuse? :) |
| 04:39:13 | countrymonkey | Could you write it in french? Maybe that would clear things up. |
| 04:39:25 | Alonea | karashata: er, it didn't work. select is the middle button right? |
| 04:39:38 | moos | countrymonkey: ?? |
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| 04:40:27 | karashata | Alonea, I'm not sure, I recall seeing someone else mention it earlier though... |
| 04:40:27 | countrymonkey | The weird english phrase. I can get it auto-translated. |
| 04:40:27 | moos | countrymonkey: what should I write in french? this is one english language chanel, even for bad english speakers like me |
| 04:41:29 | countrymonkey | <moos> because that was a bit one "belgium french" due to the previous uodater that was from belgium...then I remade the file to have strings the more pedagogical for noobs... |
| 04:41:45 | Alonea | karashata: is there another way to reset? like delete the cfg file or something? |
| 04:42:14 | karashata | yeah, deleting the config.cfg file would reset the settings |
| 04:42:26 | karashata | since they wouldn't exist anymore |
| 04:42:35 | moos | countrymonkey: s/uodater/updater ?? |
| 04:42:48 | Alonea | found it on the site! says its rec button |
| 04:43:07 | countrymonkey | Just answer this, why cannot francais.lang be renamed to français.lang? |
| 04:44:35 | moos | countrymonkey: ah ok, that if I remenber correclty, because the build system don't use unicode strings on filname, but maybe I don't remen ber correct. In all cases we canoy use unicode symboles on the file name. |
| 04:44:59 | moos | s/canoy/can't |
| 04:45:10 | * | moos should go to sleep :) |
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| 04:45:37 | countrymonkey | I don't think the ç is unicode. I think it is latin extended or something like that. |
| 04:46:44 | moos | countrymonkey: in all cases I already asked Bagder about this long time ago, and he said me that we can't use the "ç"... |
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| 04:47:25 | countrymonkey | k. |
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| 04:47:53 | countrymonkey | I wish Iknew french... |
| 04:48:23 | zicho | Learn. |
| 04:48:39 | moos | countrymonkey: french is a "wide" language, but that's off topic here ;) |
| 04:48:46 | countrymonkey | Only course I know of is pimsleur and that costs too much. |
| 04:48:53 | moos | time to go to sleep a bit, ciao ciao |
| 04:49:23 | countrymonkey | arivwar |
| 04:49:36 | * | karashata chuckles slightly |
| 04:49:40 | countrymonkey | I know that much |
| 04:49:45 | karashata | is "au revoir" |
| 04:50:03 | countrymonkey | You speak? |
| 04:50:11 | karashata | only a little |
| 04:50:40 | * | karashata = Canadian, French is mandetory in Ontario up until grade 9 |
| 04:50:52 | countrymonkey | envy you. Chinese and japanese aren't being very useful in my lfe. |
| 04:51:03 | karashata | though I've probably forgotten a whole lot of it since I don't really use it |
| 04:51:18 | karashata | and, since this is off topic, that's all I have to say about it |
| 04:51:28 | countrymonkey | Isn't french the national language of canada? |
| 04:51:41 | countrymonkey | sory. drifting off-topic |
| 04:52:06 | karashata | it's one of two, English of course being the other |
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| 05:11:08 | Alonea | does the sansa have the setting for when the headphones are unplugged like gigabeat? I can't find the setting |
| 05:11:37 | psycho_maniac | Alonea: No only the ipods and the gigabeats have this. |
| 05:11:47 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: awww... |
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| 05:12:27 | psycho_maniac | Yes I like this feature on my gigabeat and sometimes forget when i use my sansa. |
| 05:17:47 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: er, why is windows now wanting to install roxbox media player when I plug it in? do I install the hardware or cancel? I thought I saw somewhere to cancel, but can't find where I read that. |
| 05:18:07 | psycho_maniac | cancle |
| 05:18:39 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: ok, but how to I get to my player. the sansa isn't showing anywhere that its connected. |
| 05:19:10 | psycho_maniac | what usb mode do you have it in on the OF |
| 05:20:50 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: I had it to the one it said, but when I was trying to figure out the key button for resetting the settings I hit the combo to go into the OF. would that reset that setting? |
| 05:21:44 | psycho_maniac | no i dont think so |
| 05:21:58 | Alonea | i will go check |
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| 05:24:20 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: that was wierd...ok, so I went back to OF, double checked, reset player, plugged in usb, screen went crazy and went back to OF... |
| 05:24:50 | Alonea | reset again, loads rockbox, plug in USB, not connecting still. |
| 05:25:07 | psycho_maniac | ......strange |
| 05:27:18 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: ok, reinstalling bootloaders...lets see if it now will work properly |
| 05:28:28 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: ok, I am never getting a usb cable symbol from rockbox. |
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| 05:28:49 | psycho_maniac | shut off the player and then plug it in. try that. |
| 05:29:02 | countrymonkey | mmI say plug it in from the of. |
| 05:29:05 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: plug it in while player is off? |
| 05:29:25 | psycho_maniac | yes it will automatically turn on and connect to the computer. this is how i do it. |
| 05:29:48 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: ok, when I go that, it loads the OF, is it supposed to? |
| 05:29:52 | Alonea | *do |
| 05:30:04 | psycho_maniac | yes |
| 05:30:22 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: so, on the sansa, the USB doesn't ever do it inside of rockbox? |
| 05:30:39 | advcomp2019 | Alonea, yea you need to use OF |
| 05:30:44 | psycho_maniac | no |
| 05:31:32 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: also, on the GB, you can hold down menu and it will use the usb to charge while still being able to use the player. does the sansa have such a key or is basically plugging in your usb inside rockbox the equivalent? |
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| 05:32:13 | psycho_maniac | I am not sure. |
| 05:32:58 | Alonea | lemme see if the rockbox screen indicates charging when I do that. |
| 05:33:25 | psycho_maniac | That info would probably be in the manual |
| 05:35:49 | Alonea | odd, can the WPS actually override your time settings? dad likes 12 hour, but its showing 24 |
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| 05:36:02 | countrymonkey | yes |
| 05:37:31 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: ok, I see a "plugged in" icon when I plug in usb in rockbox. ^__^ |
| 05:37:56 | psycho_maniac | yes. it should reset the player and then boot in the OF and then into usb mode from the OF |
| 05:39:24 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: no no no, not what I am talking about. I mean, listening to music while using usb to charge. |
| 05:39:53 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: on GB, you hold down key, on this, you just plug it in |
| 05:39:57 | psycho_maniac | oh i see. thats good. |
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| 05:40:31 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: but then if you wanna put on files, then turn it off, plug in, etc. |
| 05:41:12 | advcomp2019 | Alonea, you use the select button while plugging it in to use it while charging |
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| 05:41:43 | countrymonkey | alonea: doshite watasi to advcomp2019 wa hanasimasen ka? |
| 05:42:50 | Alonea | countrymonkey: I took japanese a lonnnng time ago, and my memory sucks. why are we not doing what? |
| 05:43:14 | Alonea | advcomp2019: er, its still connecting to the computer. |
| 05:43:47 | countrymonkey | MMfixed it. My japanese is a lot more fresh. Thought you might understand better (I am not native to japanese). |
| 05:44:11 | advcomp2019 | Alonea, it will always ask the driver on the computer tho |
| 05:44:39 | Alonea | advcomp2019: ok. question, how is holding select and plugging it in, different from just plugging it in? |
| 05:44:45 | Alonea | countrymonkey: I am an american. |
| 05:44:59 | countrymonkey | And the sentence was "Why are you not addressing advcomp2019 or myself?" |
| 05:45:02 | psycho_maniac | just pluging it in should boot it into usb mode? |
| 05:45:14 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: no, not at all/ |
| 05:46:19 | advcomp2019 | Alonea, sometimes it might reboot into OF without holding the select |
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| 05:47:01 | Alonea | advcomp2019: *shrugs* hasn't yet. wonder what would cause the event to be different? |
| 05:47:33 | Alonea | countrymonkey: sorry. did you ask me a question and I did not respond? also, I am trying to figure out the sansa for my dad so he isn't totally lost. |
| 05:48:14 | countrymonkey | No. I was just translating the japanese. |
| 05:48:35 | Alonea | countrymonkey: how did you even know I spoke some japanese? |
| 05:48:37 | countrymonkey | I know my japanese is horrible, but... |
| 05:48:58 | countrymonkey | You said so about 5 or 6 weeks ago. |
| 05:49:16 | psycho_maniac | he is a mind reader |
| 05:49:17 | Alonea | countrymonkey: its ok, mine is terrible too. oh wow. I don't even remember yesterday... |
| 05:49:40 | countrymonkey | kino |
| 05:51:05 | Alonea | yup...christmas break has completely ruined me |
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| 05:51:23 | hellogoodbye | daily builds have scrolling margin support? |
| 05:51:27 | countrymonkey | need more help, give me a holler |
| 05:51:49 | countrymonkey | yes |
| 05:51:53 | hellogoodbye | ok thanks |
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| 05:53:02 | psycho_maniac | that was dumb |
| 05:53:08 | Alonea | countrymonkey: arigatou. |
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| 05:53:23 | countrymonkey | The question was ligitimate. |
| 05:53:39 | countrymonkey | doitasimashite |
| 05:53:58 | Alonea | countrymonkey: is the OF going to make the music folder hidden everytime I connect? |
| 05:54:01 | countrymonkey | and you forgot to write gozimasu |
| 05:54:29 | advcomp2019 | Alonea, yes |
| 05:54:56 | Alonea | advcomp2019: if I rename the folder to something else, it should fix that right? |
| 05:55:04 | countrymonkey | hai |
| 05:55:38 | advcomp2019 | Alonea, yea that will fix it but that will stop you from using the OF tho |
| 05:55:54 | advcomp2019 | (using the music in OF) |
| 05:56:14 | Alonea | countrymonkey: is it ok if I delete the tmp folder? |
| 05:56:28 | psycho_maniac | You can delete everything but the SYSTEM folder. |
| 05:57:02 | Alonea | advcomp2019: that ok. I just need OF to load usb |
| 05:57:34 | countrymonkey | sansa ga arimasen |
| 05:58:29 | countrymonkey | or should I say moteimasen |
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| 05:58:51 | Alonea | countrymonkey: heh. your japanese is better than mine. |
| 05:59:13 | countrymonkey | ie josu jarimasen |
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| 05:59:43 | Alonea | also, gozaimasu isn't strictly needed, but its better for politeness...I am just laaaazy. |
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| 06:00:12 | countrymonkey | I know, and I am just polie. |
| 06:00:32 | Alonea | countrymonkey: I usually am too, but bah. moteimasen mean not popular? |
| 06:01:12 | countrymonkey | No, it means doesn't have. |
| 06:01:22 | Alonea | countrymonkey: hmm. using dictionary. |
| 06:02:30 | countrymonkey | wow; catacana to canji to hiragana wa wakarimasen |
| 06:03:33 | Alonea | countrymonkey: I am pretty good at hiragana, need a refresher on katakana, and I know some kanji. |
| 06:04:09 | countrymonkey | I know 0 catacana, 0 hiragana, and 0 canji. All I know is romagi. |
| 06:04:47 | Alonea | ah. we had to write essays in japanese. no romaji allowed. |
| 06:05:02 | * | scorche coughs |
| 06:05:18 | Alonea | anyway, brain hurts from japanese. |
| 06:05:18 | countrymonkey | That would mean your japanese is etter than mine. |
| 06:06:11 | psycho_maniac | this seems very offtopic |
| 06:06:19 | scorche | hence the cough :) |
| 06:06:30 | psycho_maniac | thats what i figured so thats why i said it. |
| 06:06:47 | countrymonkey | If you think about it... Now, no japanese allowed. |
| 06:06:47 | Alonea | countrymonkey: heh. and we are OT. hopefully the sansa will cooperate now. *growls at it* |
| 06:08:09 | Alonea | oh. displaying the clock. is there a way to always have it at the top? |
| 06:08:14 | countrymonkey | I forgot what problems you have been happening. |
| 06:08:50 | psycho_maniac | i dont think that was offtopic but talking about japanese is. |
| 06:08:55 | countrymonkey | Yes, write the clock wps code on the top line of the wps. |
| 06:09:20 | Alonea | countrymonkey: ok. now, what about the menu screens? or is it only on the WPS? |
| 06:09:50 | countrymonkey | only on the wps |
| 06:10:37 | countrymonkey | unless you want to play with th sourcecode |
| 06:10:52 | Alonea | countrymonkey: no...methinks not. |
| 06:11:39 | psycho_maniac | you can have the clock always on top. but most themes take it off the wps |
| 06:11:41 | Alonea | countrymonkey: so, are the wps files .wps or .cfg? |
| 06:11:50 | countrymonkey | .wps |
| 06:12:23 | Alonea | countrymonkey: do I just edit it in notepad? |
| 06:12:32 | countrymonkey | e |
| 06:13:00 | countrymonkey | I mean yes |
| 06:16:06 | countrymonkey | Do you know the wps tags? |
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| 06:16:18 | Alonea | countrymonkey: ok, now to see if it works.. |
| 06:17:06 | countrymonkey | seno |
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| 06:21:40 | Alonea | countrymonkey: ........i forgot which theme I was using. |
| 06:23:50 | countrymonkey | switch it. But ideally you should make your own |
| 06:24:48 | Alonea | countrymonkey: oh, there is a commented out section for with and without clock. neat |
| 06:25:25 | countrymonkey | just edit it. |
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| 06:26:33 | Alonea | countrymonkey: trying to. its very difficult to read the lines in notepad |
| 06:27:56 | countrymonkey | Tell me what you want and I will cook it up for you. |
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| 06:31:46 | Alonea | countrymonkey: trying to get it like 3:00PM on wps, cabbie |
| 06:32:10 | psycho_maniac | so your trying to put in your own clock on cabbie on the sansa? |
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| 06:33:50 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: yeah, cause I don't understand. he has a commented with and without clock, but no clock code. so very confused...OH! I got it, now I just need to figure how to have clock aligned to the far right... |
| 06:34:04 | psycho_maniac | %al |
| 06:34:09 | psycho_maniac | no %ar |
| 06:34:31 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: ok. I will play with this and see if I can get it right |
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| 06:38:23 | psycho_maniac | Alonea: I got it to work |
| 06:38:33 | psycho_maniac | this is for the sansa e200 correct? |
| 06:38:37 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: yeshum. |
| 06:38:46 | psycho_maniac | Yeah I got it to work correctly |
| 06:38:56 | psycho_maniac | Did you? |
| 06:38:57 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: I made mine worse. ^_^ |
| 06:39:09 | psycho_maniac | is the progress bar out of wack? |
| 06:39:39 | Alonea | wait a sec...I missed the lower section. *bangs head* |
| 06:39:43 | psycho_maniac | remove the # on the clock line and then remove the blank line below the "## remove the line below ....ect" |
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| 06:40:18 | psycho_maniac | I really like the cabbie theme and would rather see that as the default then the cabbie 2.0 |
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| 06:41:56 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: ok, where it says remove the line below, I remove what exactly? |
| 06:55:28 | Alonea | gah..still can't get it. so very confused. |
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| 06:58:55 | Alonea | anyone with wps experience? trying to turn the clock on the cabbie theme with no luck. there are instructions in the file, but I still can't get it to display correctly |
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| 07:05:34 | Alonea | thing is, I dont know what the line below is, since it all changes as you make the box wider and stuff... |
| 07:17:34 | Alonea | ok, now the clock is right, but everything else is wrong... |
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| 07:23:47 | Alonea | methinks I am going to give up. this is too hard for me to figure out right now. |
| 07:26:30 | UncleOp22 | Any pointers to BL (boot loader) file(s) for sansa c200 (specifically a c240)? I bricked mine trying to do a fw downgrade. I happen to have two others - can e200tool extract a BL file from a "good" c200? I've been searching for one and coming up dry. |
| 07:27:34 | advcomp2019 | UncleOp22, have you tried recovery mode |
| 07:28:37 | UncleOp22 | advcomp2019: yes - blank screen. Recovery mode lets me "see" the device, but "e200tool recover" with a generic BL doesn't seem to help/work. |
| 07:29:11 | UncleOp22 | Sorry - manufacturer mode doesn't work with the "recover" command. |
| 07:32:27 | advcomp2019 | UncleOp22, e200tool should be able to fix that.. the e200 wiki has info on how to use the e200tool.. but you will need c200 files not the e200s |
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| 07:33:40 | UncleOp22 | advcomp2019: Agreed, I need the correct (c200) files. That's the sticking point: I have a "right" to them, and two other players that are (so far) not bricked. Any hints about extracting the BL from them? |
| 07:36:21 | advcomp2019 | UncleOp22, i am not sure how to get a clean BL from a working one.. you might want to wait for someone else that can help you |
| 07:37:03 | UncleOp22 | advcomp2019: Thanks for your thoughts. Perhaps someone else has shared this plight. |
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| 08:04:10 | Alonea | ok, if you have no settings for the radio, what does the autoscan do? scan for every station in the area and saves it to a preset list? |
| 08:06:29 | advcomp2019 | Alonea, it will scan for the radio station but you will need to save it after words.. you can look at the manual too |
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| 08:06:55 | Alonea | ok, dad said he tried that, but it didn't work very well. like it did both 88.90 and 88.95, even though they are the same station. been looking in manual. doesn't say a thing about the scan |
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| 09:13:33 | * | pixelma passes the coffee ;) |
| 09:15:17 | * | amiconn wonders whether (when?) we'll see a 'ladies & gentlemen' mail from linuxstb |
| 09:15:48 | amiconn | Given the bunch of ports startet...... |
| 09:15:56 | amiconn | *started |
| 09:18:27 | linuxstb | I'm working on viewports at the moment... |
| 09:23:20 | markun | linuxstb: nice! |
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| 09:23:43 | markun | maybe amiconn can take over some of your ports then :P |
| 09:26:27 | linuxstb | Current status is that I've implemented viewports in lcd-16bit.c and scroll_engine.c, written a test_viewports plugin which is working, and I am now working on adding support for viewports to the WPS. The main Rockbox code is now using the default full-screen viewport - I haven't even started to think about that code yet... |
| 09:27:31 | scorche | markun: as for one of those ports, whenever i get some free time, i will be "taking over" the AV300 port |
| 09:27:45 | markun | cool |
| 09:27:50 | pixelma | markun: you also wanted to work on some things... :P |
| 09:27:53 | linuxstb | Would there be any objections to s/DEBUGF/LOGF/ in firmware/mpeg.c and firmware/mpegdata.c to stop it spamming in the sim? |
| 09:28:18 | * | amiconn isn't so sure anymore that viewports are a good idea ;\ |
| 09:28:32 | markun | pixelma: damn, I hoped you wouldn't mention it ;) |
| 09:28:49 | linuxstb | amiconn: Now you mention it... ;) |
| 09:28:54 | linuxstb | What's the problem? |
| 09:30:53 | amiconn | Nah |
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| 09:31:20 | amiconn | I know that viewports are needed, but otoh they will open the door for even more useless graphical crap |
| 09:31:49 | amiconn | Like this pictureflow plugin, which just throws strange messages here... |
| 09:32:14 | * | Mouser_X doesn't use AA or the DB, and thus pictureflow = ? |
| 09:33:21 | amiconn | I tried to start it, just to see what happens. First it complained about the database not being initialised, so I did that. Then it complained about no album. No albums??? Sure there are many albums on my players... |
| 09:34:21 | amiconn | linuxstb: regarding the ports - the logikdax would be a really interesting target for me, if it had either more flash storage or a card slot... |
| 09:38:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: I agree, the storage is a limitation - but the main interest for me is the DAB, and I would still carry a HD player for music. |
| 09:39:02 | linuxstb | The Cowon D2 uses (I think) a similar DAB chipset, but that's a touchscreen... |
| 09:39:18 | linuxstb | It's also very expensive for what it is... |
| 09:40:04 | amiconn | Blargh, touch screen |
| 09:40:12 | linuxstb | My view as well. |
| 09:40:30 | pixelma | wasn't DAB also only a recent addition on the D2 (the earlier models had FM)? |
| 09:40:53 | linuxstb | Yes, afaik only the UK model has DAB (or at least, it was introduced to the UK first). |
| 09:41:04 | amiconn | I wonder why so many dap manufacturers still use fm tuners when there is dab, and audio broadcast is planned to be fully digital by 2010 |
| 09:41:29 | pixelma | but interestingly they have a MMC/SD slot... |
| 09:41:30 | linuxstb | Germany is switching off the FM transmitters? |
| 09:41:38 | amiconn | (at least in europe - not sure about us or other places) |
| 09:42:05 | linuxstb | I haven't heard of an analogue FM switchoff in the UK at least... |
| 09:42:25 | linuxstb | But TV is going digital-only by 2012. |
| 09:43:33 | amiconn | Well, terrestrial (?) TV is already digital-only in some federal states in Germany |
| 09:43:47 | amiconn | Cable and satellite are still mixed |
| 09:44:21 | linuxstb | What surprises me more is that TVs are still being sold without DVB-T tuners... |
| 09:44:25 | amiconn | Not sure whether analogue FM will be switched off, but in fact I would expect it to... |
| 09:46:28 | amiconn | Well, in germany you can get TVs with or without DVB-T tuners. And to me it makes a lot of sense. Only a small percentage of households needs terrestrial reception. And DVB-T quality is worse than analogue, at least with the bitrates used in germany |
| 09:46:54 | amiconn | DVB-C and DVB-S make a lot more sense to me. |
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| 10:21:36 | scorche | bardia: in the topic of #rockbox-community: "...but never #rockbox-scares-me-I'll-ask-here!" ;) |
| 10:23:22 | bardia | i'm curious about the difference in audio playback quality between the sansa c200 and e200, using rockbox specifically. anyone have experience with both? i'm not too interested in the e200's video capabilities but if the digital audio or FM playback is better then i'd definately go for it. also, the e200 seems more brickproof than the c200, is that true? |
| 10:24:38 | linuxstb | I don't own either, but afaik they both have the same recovery/manufacturer modes, so are equally brickproof. |
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| 10:26:38 | amiconn | They also use the (effectively) same cpu, dac and fm tuner, so I'd expect the audio quality to be the same |
| 10:27:44 | amiconn | That is, unless there's bad wiring of the audio circuit in one of them. |
| 10:28:28 | * | linuxstb pings Nico_P, or anyone that understands the wps parser... |
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| 10:37:28 | Llorean | amiconn: The c200 is slightly better I think |
| 10:37:37 | Llorean | I've noticed less noise when the flash is reading on the c200 than e200 |
| 10:37:50 | Llorean | But I haven't specifically looked for comparison, I just haven't noticed noise on the c200 that I have on the e200. |
| 10:38:15 | amiconn | So there's bad wiring on both... |
| 10:38:47 | Llorean | There's bad wiring on the e200. I don't know about the c200, as I said, haven't noticed anything yet, but haven't listened for it specifically |
| 10:39:14 | amiconn | Well, pixelma can clearly hear the noise when inserting a microsd card into her c200 |
| 10:39:31 | Llorean | Ah, haven't tried microsd cards really. |
| 10:39:53 | pixelma | but I also haven't noticed noise during rebuffer, but I usually listen at low volumes |
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| 10:40:56 | Llorean | Low volumes were when it was more noticeable iirc. |
| 10:41:02 | Llorean | The noise itself seemed to be independent of the volume level. |
| 10:41:17 | Llorean | But on the e200 I only noticed it with some in-ear headphones I had. |
| 10:43:58 | bardia | Llorean: and you also tried those same in-ear headphones on the c200? that would be my listening setup, in-ear buds and low volume level |
| 10:44:31 | Llorean | bardia: No, I've only used over-ear headphones with the c200 so far. I've heard the noise with these phones, but *only* when specifically looking for it, never in casual listening, as it's much more faint. |
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| 10:45:28 | amiconn | I wonder what the dap manufacturers are doing |
| 10:45:46 | Llorean | "How cheap can we make this thing and still convince people to buy it?" |
| 10:45:54 | amiconn | The much older ondio doesn't produce nasty noises due to flash access |
| 10:46:18 | amiconn | Llorean: s/cheap/crappy/ |
| 10:46:21 | * | Mouser_X wonders why the Gigabeat has a 300 mhz CPU, after readong Llorean's idea... |
| 10:46:34 | Mouser_X | *reading |
| 10:47:19 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Considering how overpowered it is for what the OF asks of the hardware, I can only assume that Toshiba got some sort of deal on 'em. |
| 10:47:31 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
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| 10:47:54 | Mouser_X | I guess so. Maybe they planned on Rockbox being ported to it eventually? :P |
| 10:48:00 | linuxstb | Or maybe they had bigger plans for the OF, but abandoned Linux in favour of CE... |
| 10:48:35 | Mouser_X | More like (IMO), the increase in muz was due to using Windows... |
| 10:48:42 | Mouser_X | *mhz |
| 10:48:51 | Mouser_X | *likely |
| 10:49:32 | amiconn | In fact unpleasant noises in mp3 players aren't new. I remember the continuous background noise in archos OF on recorders, but that wasn't a hardware design mistake... |
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| 10:50:50 | amiconn | Rockbox solved that problem |
| 10:51:24 | * | amiconn still wonders how the archos firmware managed to produce that background noise, given the fact that the archos recorders are hwcodec... |
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| 10:52:18 | Llorean | amiconn: The H100 series has a nice, constant hiss that drives me nuts at low volumes. |
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| 10:52:50 | Llorean | That is one significant advantage the Toshiba has over the H100 for me, I can listen at 1db above "mute" and it sounds pretty much fine still. |
| 10:53:01 | amiconn | The hiss seems to come from the headphone amplifier. I didn't notice it in setups where the line out was used |
| 10:53:57 | Llorean | Hm |
| 10:54:05 | pixelma | Llorean: re. "how cheap"... ever tried the c200's headphones that comes with it? ;) |
| 10:54:14 | pixelma | *come |
| 10:54:26 | Llorean | I didn't even look at the headphones that came with it. |
| 10:54:46 | Llorean | I can't even remember if mine had them. |
| 10:54:50 | Llorean | It was a refurbished unit |
| 10:55:06 | pixelma | don't bother, those must be the cheapest of the cheap... |
| 10:55:17 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 10:55:36 | Llorean | My H100 came with Sennheiser Mx400s which really weren't all that bad for really cheap earbuds. |
| 10:55:44 | pixelma | but in case you want a BoS experience... :P |
| 10:56:11 | amiconn | pixelma: Perfect match for rockbox then ;) |
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| 11:10:44 | bertrik | jhMikeS: hi, you responded to a bug i posted in the tracker, but I don't quite understand what you mean. Can you explain it a bit more? |
| 11:11:06 | bertrik | I'm talking about FS #8208, I don't know what you mean by wrapping noise |
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| 11:20:13 | linuxstb | bertrik: You may be too early for him - his local time is about 6am... |
| 11:20:35 | bertrik | yes, I just realised that |
| 11:20:39 | Llorean | Closer to 4, if I recall he's in my time zone. |
| 11:20:57 | * | Llorean should really head to sleep. |
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| 11:54:12 | jhMikeS | bertrik: I'm here now. Wrapping noise is when samples values are too large for the data type and wrap to a smaller value instead of being clipped at max. |
| 11:54:53 | bertrik | ah thanks and good morning |
| 11:55:26 | bertrik | so is there a fix for this or is it a fundamental problem? |
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| 11:55:56 | jhMikeS | it seems it could be a chip defect since retailos has it even worse |
| 11:57:14 | jhMikeS | try recording something loud and even the ADC seems to wrap and not clip |
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| 11:57:28 | bertrik | hmm, on my player I hear it on rockbox, but not with the OF |
| 11:58:05 | jhMikeS | I tried the file you provided and OF was really bad esp. at lower volume |
| 11:59:12 | bertrik | If i look at the waveform it's almost as if some signal value X is decoded as -X and vice versa |
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| 12:00:05 | jhMikeS | it appears to just be overflow to me |
| 12:01:21 | bertrik | but I didn't hear distortion on a 0-dB sine wave |
| 12:02:02 | jhMikeS | could be frequency dependent as well as volume |
| 12:02:40 | jhMikeS | the wrap seems to occur somewhere in hardware afaict atm |
| 12:03:07 | bertrik | I hear a crackle at specific points in time in the music, but I haven't checked if it's always at the exact moment, perhaps that's something for me to check next |
| 12:03:44 | jhMikeS | I found it quite repeatable on my unit with both firmwares |
| 12:05:16 | bertrik | i fear it will be very hard/impossible to fix if it's in hardware |
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| 12:07:24 | bertrik | I think I'll try some more sinewaves or some trapezoids with varying frequency (maybe even a sweep) |
| 12:09:04 | amiconn | If full-range or near-full-range sines don't show it, perhaps low-volume sines will? |
| 12:13:06 | bertrik | I don't see why low-volume sines would, but it's worth a try |
| 12:13:21 | jhMikeS | hmmm...had some EQ on in retailos and it's much less when turned off. It's possible it's because of DAC gain as that's maxed before headphone gain in the driver. |
| 12:18:50 | jhMikeS | hmmm...using .5dB of precut seems to kill it too |
| 12:19:02 | jhMikeS | kill = stop the click :) |
| 12:20:34 | bertrik | wow, which pre-cut, in the equalizer? |
| 12:23:40 | jhMikeS | yeah, just all bands 0 with precut |
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| 12:30:40 | bertrik | hmmm, seems to be greatly reduced at -0.5 dB indeed |
| 12:31:06 | bertrik | (or maybe even gone, it's a bit hard to tell because the click coincides with the bass/snare kick) |
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| 12:32:45 | bertrik | pre-cut is just basically an attenuation before the equalizer, right? |
| 12:33:30 | jhMikeS | yes but no bands are applied, just the gain in this case. this combo of things influencing it is rather odd. |
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| 13:38:13 | linuxstb | Nico_P: (if you read the logs) I could do with some help with the wps parser... |
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| 13:51:10 | linuxstb | If anyone is interested, my current work-in-progress for viewports is here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/viewports-v1.diff |
| 13:51:52 | linuxstb | It only works on colour targets without a remote, and there is a test plugin (test_viewports) and the first attempt at adding a %V|x|y|width|height|fg|bg| tag to the WPS. |
| 13:53:06 | linuxstb | There is a bug in the WPS parsing which means that the first line in a viewport isn't being read - i.e. the first line after a %V tag. All lines in the WPS up to the first %V go in the default (full-screen) viewport, which means existing WPSs will work as-is. |
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| 14:16:15 | Buschel | amiconn: you were right when doubting that power consumption is non-linear with CPU clock on PP5022. seems like it was a mismeasurement by myself... |
| 14:17:50 | Buschel | soap: you there? |
| 14:20:24 | Buschel | soap: if you come along I am of course interested in your runtime results |
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| 14:26:56 | hcs | I think I have another GPIO bit to report. |
| 14:27:00 | hcs | (for ipod color) |
| 14:27:45 | hcs | GPIO_C goes from 36 to 32 when I plug it into this 3rd party charger |
| 14:28:01 | hcs | so I take it that bit 2 is "discharging" or some such |
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| 14:31:08 | hcs | no idea where I would start to get that recognized, though |
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| 14:32:49 | amiconn | hcs: C2 is firewire power. That's known (but not yet used) |
| 14:33:17 | amiconn | It makes sense for an external charger to provide firewire power instead of usb power |
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| 14:34:46 | hcs | amiconn: ok, so should I be able to use it for the charging detection as well as the USB? |
| 14:35:36 | amiconn | In fact you should only use firewire power for charger detection, as usb power is handled separately |
| 14:37:05 | amiconn | Btw, C2 being firewire power applies to 4th gen grayscale, color, and the minis |
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| 14:39:42 | hcs | amiconn: ok, so what I think needs changing is charger_inserted() in power-ipod.c |
| 14:40:47 | hcs | so are the GPIO bits generally true on 0? |
| 14:45:11 | amiconn | no |
| 14:46:00 | amiconn | The logic is chosen in a way to minimize necessary hardware |
| 14:46:45 | hcs | engineering, gotcha |
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| 14:51:20 | * | linuxstb now has working viewports in the WPS - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/viewport1.html |
| 14:51:53 | rasher | \o/ |
| 14:52:28 | linuxstb | Updated patch here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/viewports-v2.diff |
| 14:52:44 | linuxstb | (same limitations as earlier - only colour targets without a remote...) |
| 14:52:44 | amiconn | Those screenshots look funny |
| 14:53:02 | linuxstb | In what way? |
| 14:53:17 | amiconn | So none of my most used targets are covered... |
| 14:53:47 | linuxstb | My approach is to finalise the API using lcd-16bit.c first, then I'll adapt the other drivers. A remote driver will be next. |
| 14:54:05 | markun | linuxstb: looks really good |
| 14:54:31 | markun | if only I would add multi font support.. :) |
| 14:56:08 | linuxstb | Do you know what needs doing for multi font support? |
| 14:56:55 | markun | I had some ideas, but I'm not sure how well it will work until I implement it I guess |
| 14:58:35 | amiconn | I'd think the most important part of 'multi' font support will be supporting different fonts on main & remote |
| 14:59:07 | amiconn | Different fonts on one screen will be really tricky, as it would break the line concept |
| 14:59:23 | linuxstb | With viewports, you can have one font per viewport. |
| 14:59:29 | amiconn | Well, with viewport, fonts could be assigned per viewport, I guess |
| 14:59:34 | markun | :) |
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| 14:59:47 | amiconn | I dunno whether that makes much sense though |
| 14:59:53 | linuxstb | See my first screenshot - that has the system font and the UI font scrolling on the same screen. |
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| 15:00:00 | * | amiconn wants to add algorithmic emboldening though |
| 15:00:49 | markun | amiconn: I used this tool to make a bold version of the 9+18x18 font: http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA013651/freeSoftware/mkbold-mkitalic.html |
| 15:01:21 | amiconn | It's not exactly high priority stuff for me, but it might come as an extra if my font drawing optimisation ideas will ever work out |
| 15:01:30 | rayj | is it just me or is tagging files for rockbox a major pain |
| 15:01:41 | markun | rayj: just you ;) |
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| 15:02:05 | markun | do you need to tag the files differently for rockbox than for other players? |
| 15:03:42 | markun | linuxstb: did you specify some padding inside the viewports? |
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| 15:04:00 | rayj | ok im running 'nix using easytag 2.1.4 i have files tagged but rockbox sometimes jumbles them orsays untagged |
| 15:04:13 | amiconn | linuxstb: What's the binsize impact so far? |
| 15:04:35 | BigBambi | That is very cool |
| 15:05:44 | rayj | when i boot OF they sometimes read them fine & others are marked untagged |
| 15:06:01 | rayj | the untagged are not the same as RB |
| 15:06:07 | markun | weird |
| 15:06:21 | markun | maybe you need to rebuild the rockbox database |
| 15:06:48 | rayj | ive tried that even removed database files from RB |
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| 15:06:52 | markun | can you play one of the files which should be taged and check the id3 info? |
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| 15:07:49 | markun | or maybe it's a problem with id3v1 and id3v2 both being present and rockbox using a different one than the OF? |
| 15:07:51 | rayj | yes & it will show artist on some files but not track name |
| 15:08:19 | markun | do you have such a file for me? |
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| 15:08:59 | rayj | markun you asking me? |
| 15:09:03 | markun | yes |
| 15:09:23 | linuxstb | amiconn: I haven't looked yet... I'm just working with the sim. But I'll do some builds now to see. |
| 15:09:27 | rayj | i have no site for you to download from |
| 15:09:41 | markun | rayj: try sending it over IRC |
| 15:09:43 | linuxstb | markun: No, there's no padding (although xmargin and ymargin are still present - for now) |
| 15:10:29 | markun | linuxstb: I don't really think padding is needed (as you could just make the viewport smaller with the same effect, right?) |
| 15:11:33 | markun | linuxstb: can you still set a backdrop and have the viewport backgrounds transparant? |
| 15:11:54 | linuxstb | At the moment, the backdrop is global, not an attribute of the viewport. |
| 15:12:42 | markun | if the viewports are transparent that's no problem |
| 15:12:49 | linuxstb | Yes, they are. |
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| 15:41:00 | linuxstb | amiconn: For the ipod color, rockbox.bin has increased by 2544 bytes... |
| 15:41:42 | jott | who is in charge of the font subsystem? i did some code for anti-aliased font rendering and want some review/discussion before posting it to the tracker... |
| 15:42:22 | linuxstb | I think lots of people would be interested in discussing that... |
| 15:42:40 | markun | jott: do you have some screenshots? |
| 15:43:01 | jott | markun: hold on.. |
| 15:44:08 | jott | http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8755/aafontxb4.png |
| 15:44:26 | markun | nice |
| 15:44:52 | linuxstb | jott: Have you done any benchmarks to compare the speed with the current rendering? |
| 15:44:54 | jott | my current code needs minimal changes and is as fast as the 1-bit code.. |
| 15:45:07 | markun | jott: what happens with a backdrop? |
| 15:45:13 | jott | markun: it's blended |
| 15:46:01 | markun | jott: can you upload your patch? |
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| 15:46:19 | jott | markun: yes in a moment.. |
| 15:47:06 | jott | it currently needs a qt4 gui to create 4-bit bitmap fonts from system fonts |
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| 15:47:25 | jott | so the only impact atm would be the increased font size |
| 15:48:03 | * | markun would prefer a command line tool |
| 15:48:24 | Galois | if it's just bitmaps then it means you could do subpixel antialiasing as well, right? |
| 15:48:44 | markun | jott: did you test how a 2-bit bitmap looks? |
| 15:49:36 | jott | markun: no, not yet |
| 15:50:19 | markun | jott: here are some samples with 2-bit and 4-bit http://www.atpm.com/5.05/smoothtype.shtml |
| 15:50:24 | jott | Galois: well subpixel would need a different blending function and probably higher depth fonts |
| 15:50:29 | jott | markun: http://sse2.net/rb/rockbox-aa-font.patch |
| 15:51:13 | jott | ah, and it's color target only atm |
| 15:51:43 | jott | i don't know how good aa fonts would look on low dpi grayscale displays... |
| 15:53:14 | Galois | appearance is a matter of opinion. I think regular antialiasing looks worse. |
| 15:53:40 | Galois | but I would use subpixel antialiasing |
| 15:54:49 | markun | Galois: how should that work? I don't understand your "if it's just bitmaps.." statement |
| 15:54:51 | jott | markun: hmm yes 2-bit does not look that bad, but 4-bit still look alot better imho... but my code would actually not need much changes to support both |
| 15:56:16 | Galois | well, presumably the qt gui tool or whatever can make an alpha channel for each color |
| 15:56:50 | markun | Galois: the bitmap itself is the alpha channel |
| 15:57:13 | Galois | fine, so make three bitmaps |
| 15:57:40 | markun | ah, you mean specific for the colour LCD's subpixels? |
| 15:57:56 | Galois | right, and it would have to match the RGB/BGR order of the display |
| 15:58:22 | markun | yes, and if we ever want to support screen rotation it wouldn't work of course |
| 15:58:32 | Galois | so then you add three more for VRGB etc. |
| 15:59:10 | jott | Galois: i don't think this approach would make sense. there are probably better solutions for storing sub-pixel hints.. |
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| 15:59:37 | jott | markun: http://sse2.net/rb/convttf-qt.tar.gz here is a simple tool to create the fnt files. |
| 15:59:40 | Galois | hey, I don't know anything about fonts, just how to use them |
| 15:59:42 | hcs | amiconn: Ok, I have a patch that seems to do the proper charging behavior on my color, and I have it set for the same thing with the 4G and minis |
| 15:59:50 | markun | jott: I would first need to compile QT... |
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| 16:00:07 | jott | markun: :/.. i'll put some fonts there :) |
| 16:00:18 | hcs | amiconn: could you maybe take a look at my patch or provide an opinion as to whether I should commit? |
| 16:01:08 | jott | markun: http://sse2.net/rb/fonts/ |
| 16:02:25 | jott | i guess a pure freetype based converter would be good.. but qt makes things so easy :) |
| 16:02:38 | hcs | amiconn (or anyone else who wants to look at firewire charging status): http://pastebin.ca/837304 |
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| 16:04:38 | Galois | fontchooser.h:27:28: error: ui_fontchooser.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:04:40 | Galois | is this normal? |
| 16:05:22 | jott | Galois: do you use the qt4 qmake (like qmake-qt4)? |
| 16:07:13 | Galois | never mind, I'll figure it out |
| 16:08:36 | Galois | now it works for me, thanks |
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| 16:32:46 | IRCMonkey | hello? |
| 16:33:25 | hcs | hi |
| 16:33:33 | IRCMonkey | i am so mad! rockbox refuses to reconize my ipod 60gb video |
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| 16:33:52 | IRCMonkey | and i hate i tunes |
| 16:35:12 | IRCMonkey | thwarted at every turn, apple piece of crap! i try manual, i try auto. all i get is no ipos found. |
| 16:35:34 | IRCMonkey | please help thanx. |
| 16:36:56 | linuxstb | Does your ipod currently work normally - i.e. the Apple firmware works fine? |
| 16:36:57 | rvvs89 | IRCMonkey: ipodpatcher isn't recognising your iPod? |
| 16:37:47 | IRCMonkey | yes, it is not reconizing my ipod at all, nor the automatic installation utility |
| 16:38:11 | IRCMonkey | i dont get it. |
| 16:38:28 | linuxstb | What about my question? |
| 16:38:29 | rvvs89 | And what about what linuxstb asked? |
| 16:38:36 | rvvs89 | Meh, I'll leave it to you |
| 16:38:46 | IRCMonkey | oh yes the apple firmware works fine. |
| 16:38:55 | linuxstb | What OS are you running on your PC? |
| 16:39:12 | IRCMonkey | 98se |
| 16:39:30 | linuxstb | ipodpatcher requires a NT version of Windows... |
| 16:39:43 | linuxstb | i.e. NT/2000/XP |
| 16:39:51 | IRCMonkey | ok thats a big help |
| 16:40:18 | IRCMonkey | thankyou much, was that documented? |
| 16:40:22 | linuxstb | Do you have access to other Windows machines? |
| 16:40:27 | linuxstb | Possibly not... |
| 16:40:55 | linuxstb | But I think you're about the 3rd win98 user who's complained in the last 18 months... |
| 16:40:58 | IRCMonkey | ugh i was seeing red. i cant stand itunes and xp just sucks on my hardware |
| 16:41:42 | hcs | Linux, maybe :) |
| 16:42:02 | IRCMonkey | ok so after useing the updater in xp i can do every thing else in 98 right? |
| 16:42:20 | linuxstb | Assuming you can access your ipod as an external drive, then yes. |
| 16:42:30 | IRCMonkey | peice of cake. |
| 16:42:46 | IRCMonkey | no xp no itunes ill be siten pretty. |
| 16:43:27 | IRCMonkey | i swear ipods are just a fashion statment. an expensive brick if you ask me |
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| 16:43:39 | webguest66 | hi |
| 16:43:48 | linuxstb | IRCMonkey: With Rockbox they become quite usable... |
| 16:44:12 | webguest66 | how can i convert AVI to mpeg? |
| 16:44:13 | * | linuxstb likes webguest66's IP address... ;) |
| 16:44:15 | IRCMonkey | i got 4gigs of mp3s i would have to re-encode, aparantly ipod doesnt like certain encoders. |
| 16:44:43 | webguest66 | for sandisk e250 |
| 16:44:46 | IRCMonkey | mmm vlc? |
| 16:45:15 | stripwax | huh? |
| 16:45:28 | linuxstb | stripwax: Maybe older ipods? |
| 16:45:57 | IRCMonkey | web, the docs on the videoplugin page mentions you can use vlc player to convert video |
| 16:46:07 | linuxstb | IIRC, earlier versions of Apple's firmware choked with VBR files that had large variations in bitrate. Not sure if that's fixed on all devices. |
| 16:46:30 | IRCMonkey | to proper resolutions, vlc plays avi. |
| 16:46:42 | webguest66 | mybe their is a guide for this? |
| 16:47:19 | stripwax | jott - is the alpha-blended font rendering really as fast as the 1-bit version? how is that?# |
| 16:47:32 | stripwax | linuxstb - wow, good to know. |
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| 16:48:01 | IRCMonkey | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras#MPEG_movies |
| 16:48:26 | IRCMonkey | here web |
| 16:48:34 | * | stripwax tries out FS# 8379 |
| 16:48:43 | jott | stripwax: it just needs just one multiplication (per pixel), the rest is bit-manipulation. |
| 16:49:36 | webguest66 | thank you |
| 16:49:40 | stripwax | jott - can it be applied easily to the gradient bar also? I was looking at blending the selection bar with the background but it seemed quite a bit slower.. |
| 16:51:03 | linuxstb | jott: If there is one multiplication per pixel, how can it be the same speed? |
| 16:52:13 | IRCMonkey | well actullay they are crb, it's not documentated by apple seems |
| 16:52:50 | IRCMonkey | any mp3 encoded with lame how ever works. |
| 16:53:53 | IRCMonkey | these others seem not to work., ipod wont boot when loaded thru elphpod, and itunes says there incompatable |
| 16:54:09 | IRCMonkey | incompatable mp3s, what a farce. |
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| 16:55:31 | hcs | IRCMonkey: odd tags, maybe? |
| 16:55:34 | jott | linuxstb: i guess because the other code path could be optimized |
| 16:56:00 | IRCMonkey | off topic, type progman in the run... win3.11 lurks still in xp |
| 16:56:13 | IRCMonkey | well seya |
| 16:57:36 | jott | stripwax: currently DRMODE_SOLID, _FG, _SOLID|_INVERSEVID, _FG|_INVERSEVID are supported |
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| 16:58:21 | MikeDK | hi |
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| 16:59:06 | MikeDK | just wanna ask if anyone know if theres plans for driver for the 3rd gen nano yet? |
| 16:59:35 | stripwax | none |
| 16:59:36 | MikeDK | ups sry got some reading to do i see |
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| 17:00:56 | stripwax | Someone suggested they might be able to pull the flash out of the 2g/3g nano or 6g classic and plug it into a reader, to try and figure out how the firmware is encrypted. I don't think anyone has done that yet |
| 17:14:43 | UncleOp22 | A re-post from much earlier this morning: Any pointers to BL (boot loader) file(s) for sansa c200 (specifically a c240)? I bricked mine trying to do a firmware downgrade. I happen to have two others - can e200tool extract a BL file from a "good" c200? I've been searching for one and coming up dry. |
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| 17:22:29 | linuxstb | UncleOp22: If you have a second c200, you can probably just copy the firmware partition with dd |
| 17:22:58 | linuxstb | The firmware partition contains the bootloader and main firmware, and is (e.g.) /dev/sda2 |
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| 17:41:36 | * | linuxstb is experimenting with WPSs - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/jclix-viewports.png |
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| 17:43:08 | webguest59 | Have any ipod users here sucesfully used a hdd > 80g? |
| 17:44:49 | linuxstb | I can't remember anyone mentioning it, but if you can find one that physically fits, it should work... |
| 17:45:46 | webguest59 | Thanks. There are a few comercially available. I'll probably give it a try. |
| 17:50:41 | MikeDK | is there a way to learn to help with the rockbox-drivers for a newbie? |
| 17:51:44 | linuxstb | What do you mean by "rockbox-drivers" ? |
| 17:52:20 | MikeDK | well waht i mean, is helping with developing? |
| 17:52:35 | MikeDK | or is this closed land for newbies :-9 |
| 17:53:14 | linuxstb | Everyone started as a newbie... You'll need to learn C programming. |
| 17:56:28 | MikeDK | ooh okay, got some guides for that, ille look into it, and hopefully learn it fast :-) just got my old mini 6GB trashed, it was total as apple sayd, so i got a new instead a nano 8GB 3rd gen |
| 17:56:59 | MikeDK | from the insurance |
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| 17:57:11 | linuxstb | That's a different issue altogether... |
| 17:59:07 | rasher | linuxstb: commit commit commit |
| 17:59:10 | MikeDK | yup i know, thats why ill like to get in and help, dont know how many devs there is |
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| 17:59:22 | linuxstb | MikeDK: There are none afaik. |
| 17:59:22 | markun | linuxstb: looks good! what's missing? |
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| 17:59:44 | rasher | I'm going to guess gray/mono displays and remotes |
| 17:59:46 | MikeDK | heh ok |
| 17:59:47 | linuxstb | Currently it's only implemented in lcd-16bit.c - I need to implement it in all the other drivers. |
| 17:59:55 | linuxstb | rasher: Exactly... |
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| 18:05:20 | conando | hello, it's my first time here.. i just installed rockbox on my sansa e260 and have used rockbox since it came out on my good old archos 6gb ;) |
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| 18:07:08 | linuxstb | That is old... |
| 18:07:25 | conando | since the archos is quite limited i would never have guessed how far rockbox already evolved on the other platforms - really great work! .. as i'm a somewhat experienced c/c++ coder myself and especially interested in the video aspect of my new player (or these players in general) i just wanted to ask if the mpegplayer plugin devs hang around here too... |
| 18:07:44 | conando | or if i'd be better of contacting them otherwise? |
| 18:08:42 | linuxstb | jhMikeS is the main mpegplayer dev - he's around here a lot. |
| 18:08:47 | conando | yeah it is.. my girlfriend had pity with me always carying this "brick" around so she gave me the sansa as a xmas gift ;) |
| 18:09:05 | conando | ah, cool - thanks for the info! |
| 18:11:26 | conando | i guess the main priority with rockbox in general is playing audio files/formats and video is kind of lower priority... i think mpegplayer is quite useful but i'm curious if these little players aren't capable of playing other formats as well (of course not cpu hungry stuff like h.264 etc.) |
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| 18:14:24 | linuxstb | Given that the devices can't decode large (i.e. high resolution) files and scale on the fly, the user has to re-encode to the LCD size anyway, so there's not much motivation to support a wide range of codecs. |
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| 18:15:26 | conando | of course you're right.. but the sansas original firmware can (only) play mjpeg (in quicktime containers) .. of course the files are larger than mpeg1/mpeg2.. but the quality is considerably better |
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| 18:15:55 | conando | especially since you have to use quite a low bitrate for mpeg2 because of the limited decoding power |
| 18:16:18 | linuxstb | Have you experimented with higher bitrate mpeg2? |
| 18:16:33 | linuxstb | i.e. to the point where the quality matches the mjpeg files? |
| 18:16:56 | conando | yes i have.. but that basically becomes unplayable because to many frames are skipped |
| 18:17:19 | linuxstb | What encoder are you using? |
| 18:17:34 | conando | and since i haven't looked that deeply yet into the mpegplayer sources i don't know if there's much room for optimization perhaps.. or if it's already fairly optimized... |
| 18:17:56 | linuxstb | There's already been quite a lot of optimisation, but I'm sure there is room for more... |
| 18:18:21 | BigBambi_ | conando: hat framerate does the OF do? |
| 18:18:24 | BigBambi_ | *what |
| 18:18:41 | conando | mencoder, ffmpeg .. of course multipass.. also tried cinemacraft (currently the best quality mpeg2 software encoder imho) .. the quality is ok but it get's blocky ;) |
| 18:19:42 | conando | bambi on my e260 with the newest official firmware i can get at least 25 fps mjpg b 224x128 without any stuttering or frameskips... |
| 18:20:04 | BigBambi_ | ok |
| 18:20:44 | linuxstb | conando: I would be curious to know how other codecs would perform in Rockbox - so if you're bored... |
| 18:20:52 | conando | with the current official rockbox build and an cinemacraft 3pass encoded mpeg2 224x128 pix i get 25 fps constantly only when dropping the avg bitrate to something around 400-450 kbit |
| 18:21:18 | linuxstb | What kind of source files are you using? |
| 18:21:23 | conando | yeah.. i'm curious too ;) that's why i wanted to try that out... |
| 18:21:47 | conando | currently the highdef trailers from apple (of course scaled down ;) |
| 18:22:29 | conando | of course the image quality wouldn't matter that much with sth like episodes of the simpsons/south park etc. |
| 18:22:41 | * | jhMikeS 's here nowish |
| 18:23:22 | conando | i had a look at some of the specs of the portalplayer thats used in the sansa and there it says it does hardware mjpeg decoding.. at least i understood it that way... so i guess they use that in the OF |
| 18:23:31 | conando | hi jhMikeS :) |
| 18:23:38 | jhMikeS | hello |
| 18:24:05 | linuxstb | conando: Are you sure about that? Quite often, these "product briefs" just list what the software development kit has libraries for... |
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| 18:24:33 | conando | no i'm not sure.. of course it could be a devkit library "only".. you're right |
| 18:24:38 | * | jhMikeS never seemed to spot any such special DSP code in the disassemblies |
| 18:25:48 | conando | oh ok.. so it's soft only as well.. as mjpeg isn't that cpu heavy to begin with.. i guess it should be possible to decode movs encoded for the OF with nearly the same quality... |
| 18:25:51 | jhMikeS | mpjpg has no motion compensation or anything. you could encode MPEG with only I-frames which basically is that |
| 18:26:33 | conando | of course you're right.. but i guessed that would be too "heavy" for mpegplayer.. but you're right, i didn't yet try that... |
| 18:26:41 | hcs | when the JPEG invades the MPEG |
| 18:26:53 | linuxstb | What sort of bitrate are your mjpeg files created for the Sansa firmware? |
| 18:27:42 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Do you think there's much room left for optimisation in libmpeg2 itself? |
| 18:27:48 | conando | they have eg. 50-60mb for a short 2min 40sec trailer... the corresponding "skip free" mpeg2 for rockbox' mpegplayer has roughly 10mb ;) |
| 18:28:58 | conando | there isn't yet any jpeg decoding code in the official rockbox tree, right? |
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| 18:29:31 | linuxstb | Sure, it's been there since the Archos-only days. |
| 18:29:54 | conando | ah ok..i only saw all those countless "please add jpeg viewing" threads |
| 18:30:19 | linuxstb | Was that related to JPEG album art? |
| 18:30:30 | conando | of course ;) |
| 18:30:40 | linuxstb | Rockbox doesn't support that - just a standalone viewer for .jpg files. |
| 18:31:13 | conando | ah i see.. so designwise it wouldl be somehow hard to share that code somehow? |
| 18:31:32 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I think some simplification could help with re: to removing the convert layer. It should be pretty efficient. Perhaps in the parsing aspect. |
| 18:32:13 | linuxstb | canando: It currently runs as a plugin, so to use it with album art the decoder would need to be moved into the core. |
| 18:32:31 | conando | guess i first have to look much deeper into the rockbox codebase to begin with.. understand what's there |
| 18:32:37 | linuxstb | (as other plugins may be running when Rockbox needs to read the album art). |
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| 18:33:43 | conando | yeah that's what i meant.. but somehow it would be bad or complicated to move it to the core? |
| 18:35:32 | wurzelnase | hello ... |
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| 18:36:55 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: maybe slice.c as well. that hasn't gotten alot of attention yet. |
| 18:37:12 | conando | another thing (at least on the sansa) is the screen refresh in mpegplayer.. at least in fast action scenes it's quite noticeably.. sort of a retrace effect.. i already read something about that in the wiki but i don't remember where :( |
| 18:37:37 | conando | i'm not sure if this is an mpegplayer only issue or something general with the sansa lcd code... |
| 18:39:00 | jhMikeS | There's no wait for vertical blanking interval code. It needs more R-E to figure that out. |
| 18:39:06 | wurzelnase | i have a question about CF cards |
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| 18:40:07 | conando | ok, that's what i tought already.. hm well.. however this will turn out it will unfortunately not improve the max fps but lower it a bit :/ |
| 18:41:00 | jhMikeS | mmmm...I don't know because I think the refresh is a good deal faster than any mpeg framerate |
| 18:41:16 | conando | jhMikeS one personal question (if i may ask ;o) .. on what player are you running rockbox yourself? |
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| 18:41:54 | jhMikeS | conando: 7 different kinds...hopefully 8 soon |
| 18:42:39 | conando | while that is right @ refresh from my personal gfx coding experience it always adds some sort of delay because you have to wait for the refresh.. so while it's not a night and day difference in the end it can very well lower the max fps |
| 18:43:12 | conando | hehe oh :) so i guess there's no "regular" dev with only one or two players out there ;) |
| 18:43:24 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: What's #8? |
| 18:43:31 | jhMikeS | it should compensate since the timing system uses negative feedback |
| 18:43:42 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: the gigabeat S |
| 18:44:59 | conando | sounds nice :) |
| 18:45:28 | conando | from the fps table in the wiki it seems the gigabeat is currently the best target device for playing videos with rockbox |
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| 18:47:12 | jhMikeS | conando: not just FPS but resolution so it's by far the best atm |
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| 18:50:56 | linuxstb | conando: That's the Gigabeat F/X series. The Gigabeat S is about twice as fast as that... |
| 18:51:28 | linuxstb | (probably more, given it has a vector FPU...) |
| 18:52:04 | conando | it didn't say exactly which model so i assumed it would be the s... twice as fast? wow.. guess i have to sell my sansa after a few days already hehe |
| 18:53:00 | BigBambi_ | The F has a 300 MHz CPU, the S is 532 MHz + all the fancy bits linuxstb mentioned |
| 18:53:16 | BigBambi_ | also ignoring any family differences |
| 18:53:34 | BigBambi_ | Sansa is dual 80 MHz |
| 18:53:42 | linuxstb | A brain the size of a planet, and we want to run Rockbox on it ;) |
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| 18:54:06 | stripwax | Does the Gigabeat OF make use of all that juice?? |
| 18:54:14 | BigBambi_ | stripwax: It runs windowsŹ |
| 18:54:20 | BigBambi_ | (!) |
| 18:54:29 | conando | lol |
| 18:54:40 | BigBambi_ | stripwax: It has lots of fancy annoying transition animations and the like |
| 18:54:44 | linuxstb | I think it can play videos, but I've no idea what. |
| 18:54:54 | BigBambi_ | Yeah, wmv of some description |
| 18:54:59 | stripwax | ahh |
| 18:55:00 | conando | hm wondering how long until the batteries die out... |
| 18:55:21 | linuxstb | Given that the original firmware keeps the disk spinning constantly while the UI is active, it can't be too long... |
| 18:55:29 | conando | jeez |
| 18:56:25 | * | jhMikeS likes the clipped graphics capabilities of the OS there but the transistion serve no useful purpose |
| 18:56:29 | conando | some OF are soooo unbelievable bad... i wonder how someone could have used the archos back then with the OF at all.. without the rockbox that was some UI from hell |
| 18:56:48 | BigBambi_ | I tried putting a couple of vids on the S once to try, but it didn't work properly (or rather I don't know how WMP works), so I put it back on the shelf and went back to the trusty F and H140 |
| 18:57:33 | Soap | conando, "with the current official rockbox build and an cinemacraft 3pass encoded mpeg2 224x128 pix i get 25 fps constantly only when dropping the avg bitrate to something around 400-450 kbit" |
| 18:57:41 | Soap | isn't that a ton of bits per pixel? |
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| 18:58:25 | Soap | like twice SVCD rates? |
| 18:58:51 | conando | it's about 0,5 bit per pixel |
| 18:58:55 | conando | is that much? ;) |
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| 18:59:46 | linuxstb | What's SVCD - around 1.2Mbit/s for 480x480? |
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| 19:00:21 | conando | yes something like that |
| 19:01:01 | UncleOp22 | linuxstb: Thank you for that insight. Is this documented on a wiki or such? I've been a-poking a lot... |
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| 19:02:06 | UncleOp22 | linuxstb: (referring to how partitions are mapped and trying to recover from a bricked C2x0.) |
| 19:02:06 | conando | soap of course it's "ok" quality wise.. but if you compare it to the (of course quite high bitrate/low compressed) mjpeg vids i play with the OF it's full of compression artefacts... |
| 19:02:12 | linuxstb | UncleOp22: It's probably mentioned on Daniel's pages about the Sansas - a description of the contents of the firmware partition. Although I've just realised that if your Sansa won't boot, you can't enter USB mode, and hence can't dd... |
| 19:02:39 | UncleOp22 | linuxstb: Ah. Yeah, I was afraid of that. |
| 19:02:45 | linuxstb | But you could use dd to copy a bootloader from a working c200 |
| 19:03:28 | UncleOp22 | That's what I'm hoping will work. Daniel's page(s) seem to deal mostly with e2x0's. Thanks for the pointer/hint. |
| 19:03:31 | Soap | 2400/480/567 = .009 kb pp whereas 450/224/128 = 0.16 kb pp |
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| 19:03:51 | Soap | that is a MASSIVE bitrate - and I suspect your encoder doesn't do low res well if it looks bad at all. |
| 19:04:10 | BigBambi_ | It seems SVCD is variable bitrate to a maximum of 2.6 Mbit/s for both PAL (480 x 576) and NTSC (480 x 480) |
| 19:04:10 | Soap | (SVCD = 2.6 Mbs combined audio and video) |
| 19:04:21 | conando | soap it's _25_ frames per second |
| 19:04:36 | conando | if it was 1fps it would look great i guess ;) |
| 19:04:43 | Soap | conando, that has nothing to do with the math I just showed. |
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| 19:05:18 | Soap | my point is that SVCD is considered near DVD quality - and you're using almost twice the equivalent bitrate of SVCD, |
| 19:05:52 | conando | good joke @ near dvd quality :) |
| 19:06:33 | conando | well i tried ffmpeg/mencoder etc. and the results wheren't better... cinemacraft is a high quality encoder, even with low resolutions like that |
| 19:06:36 | * | linuxstb remembers the BBC publishing a research paper saying that 6Mbit/s was needed for 720x576 MPEG-2, but that they now broadcast at an average of around 3.5MBit/s... |
| 19:06:54 | conando | nevertheless the bitrate and perceived visual quality can't be simply scaled like that |
| 19:06:55 | Soap | dvd = 9800/720/576 MAX bitrate = 0.024 kb pp |
| 19:07:09 | hcs | I'm still not used to seeing compression artifacts on TV. |
| 19:07:09 | Soap | average consumer DVD is half that. |
| 19:08:21 | linuxstb | conando: Have you enabled dithering in mpegplayer (if it exists on the Sansa....) |
| 19:08:22 | Soap | your bit per pixel ratio as described is 2/3rds DVD peak and over DVD average. |
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| 19:09:04 | Soap | (I mistyped above: 450/224/128 = 0.016, not 0.16 as I earlier stated) |
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| 19:10:25 | conando | of course.. but as i said you can't compare the per pixel bitrate that simple |
| 19:11:08 | conando | you have to take into account how the compression works and that you start to _notice_ these compression artefacts much sooner with such low resolutions |
| 19:12:26 | conando | if you take a 220x128 pixel area from a tft showing a dvd and put it in front of your face like you'd do it with such a small player you'd notice how bad mpeg2 can look ;) |
| 19:13:27 | conando | but of course it's ok for the average viewing... i'm just looking into getting the same visual quality as with high bitrate mjpeg on the OF for short clips on the rockbox.. |
| 19:14:56 | * | linuxstb wonders what happens every 16 seconds in his WPS that causes part of a line to be cleared... |
| 19:17:06 | Buschel | soap: any results from your runtime measurement? |
| 19:17:18 | Soap | still running |
| 19:17:28 | Soap | though I forgot to toggle hold! |
| 19:17:33 | Soap | sorry |
| 19:17:45 | Buschel | hmm, when did you start the test? |
| 19:18:16 | Soap | 13 hours ago |
| 19:18:25 | Soap | thirteen hours and 4 minutes |
| 19:18:26 | Buschel | how many % left? |
| 19:18:47 | Buschel | (battery %)? |
| 19:18:49 | Soap | graphical ;( I'd say 25-30% |
| 19:19:18 | conando | ...and of course the visual quality stays more or less constant all the time (with mjpeg) in contrast to mpeg2 where it gets either ugly in high motion scenes or choppy (because the mpeg2 decoder on my target can't handle bitrate peaks higher than ~700/800 kbit) |
| 19:19:26 | Buschel | soap: then lets wait :o) |
| 19:19:47 | conando | what device are you measuring? |
| 19:19:53 | Soap | I'll run it again with hold on tonight. |
| 19:19:58 | stripwax | Soap - which device? |
| 19:20:04 | Soap | 5th gen 60GB |
| 19:21:01 | Buschel | soap: i am not sure if the USB or the wheel brings the runtime −− or both... |
| 19:21:25 | Buschel | soap: with your test we will know :) |
| 19:21:30 | Soap | that's why I'll do one with hold on! |
| 19:21:44 | Soap | it would be nice if it is USB |
| 19:22:04 | Buschel | yep, rhen its reusable for other Pp targets |
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| 19:22:15 | markun | Buschel, Soap: wouldn't it be easier to just measure the current with a multi meter? |
| 19:22:17 | stripwax | Soap - ah, me too. I'll have some test results shortly :) |
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| 19:22:33 | Soap | markun, sure would. |
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| 19:22:51 | Buschel | markun: yes, but hard to attach... saratoga gave me a hint yesterday |
| 19:23:20 | * | jhMikeS thinks he wants to commit this little mpeg seeking engine gadgetry now...of course the complaints will come with people using encodings using huge GOPs and slow processors ;) (until some "give up" logic is added) |
| 19:23:22 | Soap | problem is my 5th gen is my main DAP. I'll crack open any other one. |
| 19:23:47 | | Part UncleOp22 |
| 19:23:52 | Soap | it is sealed up nine ways to Friday on account of the conditions I use it in @ work. |
| 19:24:53 | Soap | sealed (except for the dock port) in shrinkwrap now, and in a heavy (tight) rubber case. |
| 19:25:18 | Soap | (well, the headphone jack is exposed too) |
| 19:25:20 | * | hcs imagines some combination of underwater and dust, quicksand maybe |
| 19:25:52 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: any files that you feel should contain your copyright? I just added the headers in by cut/paste but much original code is still there in some form and I seem to recall it being yours. |
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| 19:25:55 | Buschel | yay! just reached the former maximum runtime (10:24h) and still have 18% battery to go! :o) |
| 19:26:21 | Soap | you got 10:24 before your tweaks? |
| 19:26:43 | Buschel | yes. its also written down in the runtime wiki |
| 19:26:46 | Soap | that's 75% of Apple's claimed runtime. |
| 19:26:53 | Soap | holy bejesus. |
| 19:27:03 | Buschel | yes, but with mpc :o) |
| 19:27:15 | stripwax | Isn't 60gig claimed to be 20hr? |
| 19:27:16 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I assume you're talking mpegplayer? If so, then no, I'm happy for you to claim copyright on the files, although there are (or have been) bits from people other than me. |
| 19:27:39 | stripwax | Oh, right - Buschel you have the 30GIG? |
| 19:27:57 | Soap | stripwax, yes it is - but when my ipod was new I benched @ > 22 hours. Now that it is 20 months old I still get ~20.75 hours with original firmware. |
| 19:28:10 | Buschel | soap: yes. |
| 19:28:25 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I've lost track (I guess I could browse SVN) and nothing was claimed in the original mpegplayer.c and it's been split into logical unit files. |
| 19:29:02 | Buschel | gotta go have some meal |
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| 19:31:35 | * | jhMikeS supposes if any issue comes up it can easily be corrected anyway |
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| 19:32:16 | conando | jhMikeS: seeking? great :D |
| 19:33:18 | jhMikeS | conando: the engine can seek. I haven't added the UI part yet but that's all it will need. The patch is big so I figured I'd do it in stages as best as I can. |
| 19:34:57 | jhMikeS | it also outputs alot of debug info in the sim but it's interesting stuff :) |
| 19:35:00 | Soap | my other question is - shouldn't you use a multimeter with serial output so you can record and average out the amp draw over a period of time? (in regards to using an ampmeter to monitor power consumption between code revisions) |
| 19:35:06 | conando | and the engine is.. something you (and others) wrote from scratch? how much libmpeg2 code is used.. i mean.. did you already rewrite a huge chunk of it? |
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| 19:35:53 | conando | hehe i bet it is... have to get my dev environment ready... are you on a linux box or win with cygwin/vmware? |
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| 19:36:23 | jhMikeS | conando: the engine is basically rb original. libmpeg2 has been cut down and assembly optimized code added |
| 19:36:40 | * | jhMikeS uses VMWare on XP |
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| 19:37:31 | conando | nice work! |
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| 19:38:43 | jhMikeS | I think I've seen the original stream demux code in other opensource but even that's way modded to be error tolerant. |
| 19:38:46 | conando | i bet it's not easy to use larger parts from existing libs because of stuff like not being able to malloc etc.etc. ... so no configure/make on the mplayer sources :P |
| 19:39:59 | conando | hm.. when experimenting with several encoders/muxers i once got an error from the mpegplayer plugin about a missing/wrong start code.. nevertheless it played the video just fine... |
| 19:40:10 | jhMikeS | everything tries to get done really efficiently and alot of video code is c++ as well and often written for a completely different way of handling streams. |
| 19:40:53 | jhMikeS | it won't complain after my update but just play through errors sometimes without you ever knowing they happened |
| 19:41:28 | jhMikeS | I have a video where the start code is in the wrong place on every single packet but it plays without any problem or glitching |
| 19:42:28 | conando | yeah i can imagine... hm i'm mostly a c++ dev myself (started out with pure ansi c though) .. now i have to get back to c "only".. i personally find it quite hard to quickly "switch" between those quite different worlds... once you get used to one it's no problem.. but every "switch" takes some time |
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| 19:43:58 | conando | ah ok.. yeah i know those kinds of mpeg "anomalies".. but most of the time it's of no real use to (non-dev) users to present them with these kinds of stream/muxing errors in the first place.. as they most of the time can't do anything about it |
| 19:44:00 | jhMikeS | I do find a want for c++ in this particular case |
| 19:45:02 | conando | you mean you'd like to be able to use c++ in rockbox in this special case (video codecs)? |
| 19:45:03 | jhMikeS | that stuff will be confined to debug output only since they almost never cause a stream to be unplayable |
| 19:45:11 | conando | exactly |
| 19:45:40 | jhMikeS | codecs, parser, etc. etc. though I did arrange things to be a bit object oriented |
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| 19:47:36 | conando | i know what you mean.. sadly it's never the same as "real" oop... (just had to do some ajax/jscript coding for a recent project... sigh ;o) |
| 19:48:13 | jhMikeS | main goals thus far 1) arbitrarily accurate seeking 2) strict organization 3) every feature in SVN continues working until the additional UI is added |
| 19:48:14 | conando | imho this video stuff gets quite messy quickly when done without oop |
| 19:48:49 | conando | sounds well planned :) |
| 19:49:26 | jhMikeS | I'll keep the browsing screen even with a seeking UI during playback. I rather like having the chance to look about a video before playing it. |
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| 19:49:58 | conando | btw how is the current "start seeking" done? where you can seek to a specified time in the beginning... does it jump to an estimate location in the bin data and then parses the packets? |
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| 19:53:08 | conando | the browsing screen? the current menu/options screen you mean? |
| 19:53:24 | jhMikeS | the start menu |
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| 19:54:31 | conando | ah ok sorry, i misunderstood.. now i get it...yeah you're right |
| 19:55:04 | conando | as long as it's configurable ;) (if it should be shown before playback) |
| 19:55:05 | jhMikeS | it find a PTS that is <= time < next pts ususally in just a few searches. fine seeking is done to find the exact audio and video frames. video needs decoding from the correct GOP start up to the wanted frame, the audio needs only audio frame sync and no actual decoding |
| 19:56:11 | conando | so pretty much the standard way... and seeking during playback jumps between GOPs? |
| 19:57:20 | stripwax | Buschel - I've just kicked off a test using battery_bench with hold on, on a 5g 60GB. will report results some time tomorrow |
| 19:57:28 | jhMikeS | it's the same procedure no matter whether playing, paused or stopped. no actual seek is performed until an image is required. the audio is seeked when playback starts. seeking during playback is a pause, then restart |
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| 19:59:18 | jhMikeS | conando: It also has a file cache so seeks within buffered data won't need disk access but this allows completely random-access caching too. |
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| 19:59:52 | conando | oh ok.. nicely done :) |
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| 20:00:34 | jhMikeS | If video is seeked within the start screen, that cached frame won't need another seek, disk access or decoding so playback can start instantly. |
| 20:00:37 | conando | i'm really looking forward to that.. makes it perfectly usable imho |
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| 20:01:27 | Buschel | stripwax: great |
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| 20:02:16 | conando | hmm.. when thinking about it i guess another player isn't really needed... |
| 20:02:27 | Soap | Buschel, @ my current max runtime with 15-20% battery left. |
| 20:03:13 | conando | as my "fulltime job" has to do with video too i'm perhaps a bit.. well.. i tend to overanalyze video/visual quality :) so no one besides me would care for that |
| 20:03:13 | jhMikeS | conando: I just recommend encoding with GOPs of about 15-30 frames, not 300 which I think is being used currently but is not good for precise random access. |
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| 20:03:34 | Buschel | soap: sounds wonderful, doesn't it? ;) btw, @11h now with 15% left |
| 20:05:58 | conando | jhMikeS: of course.. i'm doing that already.. too much frames inbetween is never good... "300 which I think is being used currently" <- used where? at least not in the encoding recommendations/command line examples on the mpegplayer wiki page... |
| 20:09:14 | jhMikeS | conando: I was told ffmpeg recommends some absurdly long GOPs for encoding. Gigabeat can chomp through those without it being annoying but other will be quite laggy. |
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| 20:11:25 | stripwax | so - sliding_puzzle. Anything left to do before this could be committed? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7218 |
| 20:11:39 | jhMikeS | I guess I'll refine things as far as how things are done and try to manage everything the best possible way but I just want this huge code bulk committed :p |
| 20:11:42 | conando | never heard of that recommendation.. which is kind of strange anyway... especially when it's not only long GOPs but also seldom I-frames as the quality can become quite bad between long distance I-frames |
| 20:12:11 | jhMikeS | conando: quite true re: the decoder refresh |
| 20:12:55 | conando | yes.. most of the time the viewer experiences the refresh as some kind of pulsing/strobing of the vid |
| 20:13:21 | conando | so are you the main mpegplayer dev? or even more or less the only one? ;) |
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| 20:15:29 | jhMikeS | conando: I dunno. I said I'd so this seeking thing after getting full dual-core threading done. The first got done, so I went onto the next project which would be horrible to do hacking around that deficit. |
| 20:16:09 | conando | hehe |
| 20:16:51 | conando | so it's more or less a joint project? everybody helps out where he/she can? |
| 20:17:02 | jhMikeS | only problem is this needs another thread slot since it uses five threads :) |
| 20:17:19 | conando | five threads??! |
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| 20:17:47 | jhMikeS | conando: I guess that's what rb is in general. I just have interest in working on certain bits extensively myself...mpegplayer being one. |
| 20:18:29 | jhMikeS | conando: 1) main plugin thread for UI 2) playback engine 3) buffering 4) video 5) audio |
| 20:18:36 | stripwax | Is there another dev (other than Nico_P) who could commit this? |
| 20:19:53 | conando | wicked.. didn't think that this would be already so multithreaded... |
| 20:20:34 | conando | and the video thread takes advantage of dual-core with one thread or do you initiate an additional thread on dual-core? |
| 20:21:11 | jhMikeS | video is the only one on COP...really the only one that needs a processor to itself |
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| 20:22:36 | jhMikeS | I could put something else on COP but see no need really since the playback thread really just stays blocked unless a state change is needed or a stream posts a notification that it hit the end of it's data |
| 20:23:01 | conando | makes sense ;) |
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| 20:24:35 | conando | but all of the seeking stuff isn't yet in svn right? |
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| 20:27:31 | jhMikeS | conando: I'm just thinking if I missed anything important. I guess it should be shortly. |
| 20:27:34 | conando | i'll have a look at it when it's finally being commited as i'm really curious about the implementational details... afterwards i'm going to decide if i still want to try something similar myself or quickly give up any plans on implementing something like that as my first step into "embedded terrain" ;) |
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| 20:28:42 | * | jhMikeS didn't think he'd make the breakthrough to get it done...the key was the diskbuffer filecache and then it fell into place rather fast. |
| 20:28:44 | woodensoul | what do you guys use to fill up your microSDHC cards? |
| 20:28:53 | jhMikeS | water |
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| 20:29:18 | woodensoul | I don't have one, I'm trying to help out my uncle whom I just turned on to rockbox. |
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| 20:29:39 | rasher | woodensoul: mine came with a small usb reader.. |
| 20:30:20 | conando | btw whats the biggest microSD capacity currently out there? |
| 20:30:24 | conando | 4gig? |
| 20:30:38 | woodensoul | 6gig |
| 20:30:40 | rasher | MicroSD - 2gb (the maximum possible. MicroSDHC - 8gb. |
| 20:31:16 | rayj | um i believe the microsd goes upto 8gb |
| 20:31:26 | conando | 2gig the max with microsd? uh ok.. i thought it would be 8gig with both of them... and microsdhc is already available with 8gb? |
| 20:31:28 | woodensoul | he's trying to use his 9 month old laptop card reader to fill it up, will that work? |
| 20:31:48 | rasher | woodensoul: if it supports sdhc, it should. If not, it won't. |
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| 20:32:10 | rasher | conando: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsd |
| 20:32:28 | rasher | And yeah, I've seen 8GB microsdhc cards for sale. |
| 20:32:29 | woodensoul | well he formatted it and now it shows up as 1.8GB instead of 6GB |
| 20:32:50 | conando | thanks rasher! |
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| 20:33:09 | rasher | woodensoul: Blame Windows. It won't format drives as fat32 larger than 2gb I believe. Try using a tool like swissknife |
| 20:33:25 | linuxstb | I thought the limit was 32GB? |
| 20:33:38 | rasher | Ah. Possibly. |
| 20:33:48 | BHSPitLappy | rasher, yeah, I think you're wrong about that |
| 20:33:57 | linuxstb | Sounds like the reader doesn;'t support SDHC |
| 20:34:02 | BHSPitLappy | but yes, use another formatting tool. |
| 20:34:14 | rasher | linuxstb: won't that just Not Work? |
| 20:34:26 | linuxstb | I've no idea... |
| 20:34:33 | rasher | Stranger things have happened I guess. |
| 20:34:50 | linuxstb | But it seems a co-incidence that it's only seeing the first 2GB of it - the MicroSD maximum. |
| 20:35:03 | woodensoul | he says it showed the total capacity (6GB) before he formatted it |
| 20:35:15 | woodensoul | but now it shows 1.8GB |
| 20:35:19 | rasher | Maybe he used fat16? (doesn't that have a 2gb max?) |
| 20:35:35 | woodensoul | no, FAT32 for sure |
| 20:35:41 | Mouser_X | I think FAT16 max is 4GB. |
| 20:35:43 | * | linuxstb stops speculating and waits for someone who knows |
| 20:35:51 | Mouser_X | I'm not sure though. |
| 20:36:06 | Soap | FAT 16 through windows = 2GB I thought. 2GB per partition |
| 20:36:16 | Soap | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/118335 |
| 20:36:48 | Soap | maybe I'm misreading that. |
| 20:37:28 | Soap | yea - FAT16 = http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/file/partSizes-c.html |
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| 20:38:49 | woodensoul | but he formatted as fat32 |
| 20:39:00 | Soap | though Blackberry support forums say if you format a SDHC card in a SD only reader you get 1.6GB |
| 20:39:19 | Soap | http://www.blackberryforums.com/general-8100-series-discussion-pearl/102705-8100-pearl-microsdhc-above-2-gb-4-6-8-a.html |
| 20:39:21 | rasher | Mystery solved. |
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| 20:40:05 | jhMikeS | conando: I think it's on so just a couple minutes here |
| 20:40:14 | rasher | woodensoul: Your uncle needs a card reader that supports sdhc. Or he can move stuff to his sansa, then copy it within Rockbox to the sdhc card. That's not exactly a convenient way to do it though. |
| 20:40:47 | Soap | he could have done that - but now that he has formatted it "incorrectly" will that process still work, rasher? |
| 20:41:36 | rasher | Ah, probably not |
| 20:43:19 | woodensoul | 1.68 is the formatted size now |
| 20:43:52 | woodensoul | are there ever driver updates for the older readers to support SDHC? |
| 20:44:08 | rasher | Few card readers have drivers |
| 20:45:26 | rasher | There's probably not much he can do right now, except get a card reader that supports sdhc (or borrow one and format the card properly) |
| 20:47:08 | * | jhMikeS pressed the shiny "Enter" key |
| 20:48:32 | woodensoul | gotcha |
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| 20:49:57 | woodensoul | he says he was able to fill it up with 500MB of content before formatting it |
| 20:50:09 | woodensoul | does that mean that the read supports SDHC or not? |
| 20:50:13 | woodensoul | reader |
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| 20:52:39 | rasher | woodensoul: It was probably just accessing the card as if it was a sd card, which probably worked out. The fact that it got formatted to 1.6gb is a good sign that it doesn't support sdhc. |
| 20:52:57 | * | jhMikeS hasn't looked at the build table for awhile and notices it looks a bit strange and short |
| 20:53:13 | rasher | woodensoul: Unless he was able to copy >2gb, I wouldn't think that the reader supports sdhc |
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| 20:54:19 | woodensoul | can rockbox format the SDHC cards to the correct capacity? |
| 20:54:32 | linuxstb | No, there's no formatting support in Rockbox. |
| 20:54:50 | * | linuxstb has some code in ipodpatcher that could probably be adapted though... |
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| 20:55:12 | rasher | It's technically possible, but not implemented. Might actually be a nice thing to have, especially for multivolume targets |
| 20:56:13 | Soap | "my music wasn't showing up in the database - so I formatted my player. Help!" |
| 20:56:36 | Mouser_X | That |
| 20:56:43 | Llorean | Soap: Most of the players have enough RAM that we could load the whole .rockbox folder, barring themes/fonts, and write it back after, couldn't we? |
| 20:56:54 | Mouser_X | Soap: That's what I was thinking. |
| 20:58:04 | linuxstb | Just call it "Manual", and no-one will open it... |
| 20:59:00 | Soap | lol |
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| 21:00:23 | woodensoul | i RTFM |
| 21:00:58 | * | Buschel finished the 5G runtime test -> 11:46h, +12% ;o) |
| 21:04:22 | Mouser_X | lol @ linuxstb. |
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| 21:15:23 | * | linuxstb adds his current viewports patch to Flyspray - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8385 |
| 21:16:38 | Soap | if 12% is right I should have 24 minutes remaining. |
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| 21:17:02 | Soap | for I'm @ 9% over previous mark right now. |
| 21:17:33 | Soap | w/o hold switch (wheel poweroff) |
| 21:18:21 | Soap | 75% of apple runtime is a nice improvement - 50% of the problem fixed in a relatively short amount of time. |
| 21:19:06 | * | Llorean looks at the patch tracker and starts buying supplies for a party. |
| 21:23:18 | Mouser_X | linuxstb: Isn't the Sansa e200 a color LCD with 220x176 resolution? |
| 21:24:18 | Llorean | No |
| 21:24:20 | Llorean | 176x220 |
| 21:24:29 | Mouser_X | D'oh! |
| 21:24:41 | linuxstb | Use the sim... |
| 21:24:43 | Mouser_X | It displays video in that resolution, sorry. |
| 21:25:10 | Llorean | Yeah, it uses video in that resolution because of the 90 degree rotation. Which we don't have runtime for the UI or anything. :) |
| 21:25:14 | linuxstb | Which reminds me, I should probably test viewports on-target, I've done everything in the sim so far... |
| 21:26:00 | Mouser_X | Llorean: Of course. I had been reading the PluginMpegpage, and forgot that the Sansa is up-down sized screen and not left-right (it's how I look at it)... |
| 21:26:15 | Llorean | Gotcha |
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| 21:33:07 | * | linuxstb would like people to test viewports, and try and write WPSs for it - to see how well it works... |
| 21:33:16 | parafin | what are the current maximum versions of gcc and binutils which would compile rockbox successfully? |
| 21:33:26 | linuxstb | For what device? |
| 21:33:44 | parafin | ipod 5.5g |
| 21:33:55 | parafin | arm |
| 21:34:59 | linuxstb | 4.0.3 is recommended, but you probably know that... I don't know what the status of newer versions are, but in general when a newer version is proven to be better than an older one, we would upgrade. |
| 21:35:22 | Llorean | I'm pretty sure there's problems with 4.x where x!=0 |
| 21:38:09 | * | linuxstb notices he has 6 more LCD drivers to adapt... |
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| 21:52:02 | * | linuxstb wonders what the "Private" option is in Flyspray... |
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| 21:58:14 | rasher | linuxstb: Probably for secret tasks (such as security issues before disclosure etc) |
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| 22:09:44 | * | linuxstb just got a Mac OS X kernel oops in the USB MSC driver when disconnecting his ipod... |
| 22:14:16 | rasher | nice |
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| 22:33:44 | cool2bdave | Hi, My Iaudio HD has a load of sectors in the middle that are damaged. The rest of it works fine. If I partition before and after the damaged part, can rockbox see tthe two partitions? |
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| 22:36:41 | amiconn | linuxstb: That's more than I expected from viewports :/ |
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| 22:37:38 | amiconn | s/from/for/ |
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| 22:46:55 | Guest14794 | all of a suddent my h10 battery stopped holding a charge−−is there a way to do a battery refresh or soemthing in rockbox? |
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| 22:47:58 | billbeef | i need help people |
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| 22:48:20 | linuxstb | amiconn: You're talking about the binsize increase? |
| 22:48:24 | amiconn | yes |
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| 22:48:34 | billbeef | i converted my video with winFF like on the insturctions but when on my sansa e280, the video goes slightly out of sync |
| 22:48:55 | billbeef | what specs shud i insert to stop it going out of sync? |
| 22:49:43 | billbeef | any1 know? |
| 22:49:51 | linuxstb | amiconn: Some of it was the WPS changes, I'll try and see what the change to just the LCD driver was.. |
| 22:49:52 | Llorean | billbeef: 1) Have patience |
| 22:50:11 | Llorean | 2) What width, height, and framerate did you choose for the video? What bitrate is it? |
| 22:50:22 | billbeef | i used ... |
| 22:50:28 | amiconn | 3) what samplerate is the audio? |
| 22:50:41 | billbeef | 220 X 176 |
| 22:50:47 | billbeef | sample rate mp3 |
| 22:50:48 | billbeef | ? |
| 22:51:01 | linuxstb | 44.1KHz? |
| 22:51:01 | billbeef | audio bit rate was 143 |
| 22:51:06 | billbeef | ahh |
| 22:51:16 | Llorean | And, frame rate still |
| 22:51:23 | billbeef | 23 |
| 22:51:36 | billbeef | do you know like the proper specs? |
| 22:52:11 | Llorean | I know that encoding a 24fps video at 220x176 worked for me the last time I tested it. |
| 22:52:33 | billbeef | at sample rate 44.1KHz? |
| 22:52:41 | Llorean | That's the only supported one. |
| 22:52:43 | linuxstb | mpegplayer requires 44.1KHz audio. |
| 22:52:46 | amiconn | Afaik 23 fps is not a supported mpeg frame rate |
| 22:52:59 | linuxstb | It's not - 23.9something is though. |
| 22:53:08 | amiconn | Yes, 23.976 |
| 22:53:09 | billbeef | ok |
| 22:53:18 | billbeef | do you know what audio and vid bit rate i shud use |
| 22:53:56 | Llorean | Audio bit rate really shouldn't matter on the Sansa much at all |
| 22:54:10 | billbeef | so shud i just leave that box blank |
| 22:54:41 | amiconn | Sample rate is what matters for audio - it must be 44.1kHz |
| 22:54:55 | amiconn | Frame rate should be one of the valid mpeg2 frame rates |
| 22:54:55 | linuxstb | Do you know the video framerate of the original video? It's best to encode at the same rate as the source if possible. |
| 22:55:19 | billbeef | how do you find out original framerate |
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| 22:55:50 | jhMikeS | billbeef: Both Skip Frames and Limit FPS are on? |
| 22:55:54 | linuxstb | If you play the file, most video players will have an option to display the characteristics of the file. |
| 22:56:03 | billbeef | oh 2 secs then |
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| 22:56:53 | billbeef | the frame rate is |
| 22:56:58 | billbeef | 29.969000 |
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| 23:01:01 | billbeef | right |
| 23:01:04 | billbeef | so |
| 23:01:14 | billbeef | my specs shud be |
| 23:01:23 | billbeef | 220 X 176 frame size |
| 23:01:45 | billbeef | same rate 44.1KHz |
| 23:01:56 | billbeef | 24 frame rate |
| 23:02:05 | billbeef | (23.976) |
| 23:02:23 | billbeef | yer? |
| 23:02:38 | Llorean | billbeef: You haven't answered all the questions yet. |
| 23:02:49 | Llorean | You did have skip frames, and limit FPS both on, right? |
| 23:02:57 | billbeef | ermm |
| 23:03:01 | billbeef | i dont know |
| 23:03:12 | billbeef | u mean on my sansa |
| 23:03:15 | Llorean | Yes |
| 23:03:17 | billbeef | or transcoder |
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| 23:03:20 | billbeef | ermmm |
| 23:03:23 | billbeef | im not sure |
| 23:03:32 | billbeef | let me see if theyre on |
| 23:03:48 | waldo | the sansa c200 v2 hardware supports microsdhc but on wikipedia it says that the v1 hardware does sdhc when loaded with rockbox .. is that true ? |
| 23:03:57 | Llorean | waldo: Yes. |
| 23:04:14 | billbeef | how do i check if theyre on or not |
| 23:04:25 | waldo | so the diff. between sd and sdhc is pure software ? |
| 23:04:29 | Llorean | billbeef: They're in the mpegplayer menu... Just look. |
| 23:04:33 | Bagder | waldo: yes |
| 23:04:35 | billbeef | ok |
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| 23:06:40 | billbeef | how do i get to the mpeg player menu :S when i click on my video it just says play from beginning, resume time, set start time, quit mpeg player |
| 23:07:09 | billbeef | wait im on |
| 23:08:05 | wurzelnase | hello ... |
| 23:08:21 | wurzelnase | i get an ata: -80 error with my CF card |
| 23:08:36 | billbeef | my sansa has froze? |
| 23:09:08 | Llorean | wurzelnase: There aren't any targets that have CF support... |
| 23:09:17 | Llorean | billbeef: What SVN revision of Rockbox are you using, anyway? |
| 23:09:31 | billbeef | my sansa has froze |
| 23:09:39 | wurzelnase | i moded a ipod video |
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| 23:09:49 | billbeef | wot shud i do |
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| 23:10:40 | Llorean | billbeef: Hold power for 15 seconds, and try using real words. |
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| 23:11:12 | billbeef | right im back on |
| 23:11:24 | billbeef | let me try that video again then with the stuff turned on |
| 23:11:31 | Llorean | What SVN revision are you using? |
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| 23:11:44 | billbeef | what do you mean |
| 23:11:50 | Llorean | What version of Rockbox? |
| 23:12:33 | billbeef | latest |
| 23:12:37 | billbeef | i only put it on today |
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| 23:12:42 | Llorean | That doesn't mean "latest" |
| 23:12:48 | Llorean | Today has had several versions |
| 23:12:57 | Llorean | Which is why I asked for the specific revision number |
| 23:12:57 | billbeef | my version is... |
| 23:13:02 | EasyPrey | r15978? |
| 23:13:22 | billbeef | no |
| 23:13:25 | billbeef | r15978 |
| 23:13:28 | billbeef | wait |
| 23:13:28 | billbeef | sorry |
| 23:13:31 | billbeef | r15976 |
| 23:13:38 | Llorean | Then update to the current one before further testing |
| 23:13:45 | billbeef | how |
| 23:13:46 | Llorean | A significant change to mpegplayer happened in 15977 |
| 23:14:00 | Llorean | Just install the current build. |
| 23:14:05 | billbeef | oh yeah ok |
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| 23:14:25 | * | jhMikeS definitely didn't want to hear "r15978". whew. :p |
| 23:14:30 | billbeef | do i need to uninstall the old version |
| 23:14:34 | EasyPrey | no |
| 23:14:34 | billbeef | or just install the new one |
| 23:14:35 | wurzelnase | are CF mod questions beyond the scope of this chat room? |
| 23:14:43 | EasyPrey | just extract the new one |
| 23:14:53 | EasyPrey | wurzelnase: probably |
| 23:14:56 | wurzelnase | i can't find any answers on the forums or google |
| 23:15:04 | Llorean | wurzelnase: CF mod questions are unlikely to be answered because few people have done it. You probably need to add software support. |
| 23:15:44 | wurzelnase | how? i am not sure i understand |
| 23:15:47 | * | jhMikeS hopes there's enough GOPs in that encoding...hrmph |
| 23:15:49 | billbeef | what is the signifcant difference from 15977? |
| 23:16:12 | EasyPrey | try the changelog |
| 23:16:19 | jhMikeS | big, huge |
| 23:16:59 | * | jhMikeS is off by one |
| 23:17:10 | billbeef | llorean iv updated now |
| 23:17:33 | EasyPrey | r15978: Fix some DEBUGF warnings for sims. |
| 23:17:42 | conando | lol @ jhMikeS |
| 23:17:44 | conando | :) |
| 23:17:55 | Llorean | billbeef: Now encode a video at a reasonable bitrate, say 260kbps for the video, and a framerate such as 24, make sure frame skip and limit FPS are enabled, and see about synce |
| 23:18:41 | billbeef | ok |
| 23:18:45 | jhMikeS | oh please oh please use -gop 15 too :) |
| 23:18:50 | billbeef | thanks for the help by the way |
| 23:18:54 | jhMikeS | Llorean: that's the right option eh? |
| 23:19:00 | Llorean | jhMikeS: -g 15 |
| 23:19:04 | Llorean | At least for ffmpeg |
| 23:19:09 | EasyPrey | ahh i just forgot i was using the wrong account |
| 23:19:11 | jhMikeS | aha, right |
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| 23:19:48 | EternalRains | there, better |
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| 23:21:35 | conando | jhMikeS/Llorean do ffmpeg or mencoder support "internal" multipass encoding with mpeg2 somehow? or do you have to call it multiple times (that's at least the ffmpeg way) |
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| 23:22:23 | Llorean | conando: I believe they both require two calls |
| 23:22:32 | * | Llorean prefers a constant quantizer to two-pass. |
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| 23:22:54 | conando | CQ |
| 23:23:01 | conando | i c |
| 23:23:03 | Llorean | qscale |
| 23:23:04 | conando | ;) hehe sorry |
| 23:23:48 | conando | i think the common term with commercial encoders is CQ |
| 23:24:03 | EternalRains | ahhh development is too active... r15979 is already out... I can barely keep up |
| 23:24:08 | Llorean | Yeah, but I'm referring to the parameter passed to the two encoders in question |
| 23:24:56 | conando | oh ok.. i haven't used it yet with ffmpeg/mencoder.. i'm still trying how to achieve the best quality/smoothest playback with mpegplayer on 224x128 |
| 23:25:39 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Thoughts on the seeking UI, btw. I assume "seeking" will work essentially like it does in music. Are you going to remove the startup menu, and maybe just replace it with a "Go To" option in the normal menu, and auto resume (my preference) |
| 23:26:06 | Llorean | conando: Multiple players have a screen that would fit video at that dimension. |
| 23:26:19 | Llorean | conando: On the Sansa, you should be able to get 25, maybe even 30 at that. |
| 23:26:29 | jhMikeS | Lloread: I was going to pop up a window at the bottom of the screen |
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| 23:26:53 | Llorean | jhMikeS: With the seek bar? |
| 23:27:19 | conando | Llorean: i'm using the sansa and i can achieve 25fps with an average video bitrate of about 450... if i go higher it starts noticably skipping frames |
| 23:27:25 | jhMikeS | of course, and volume and the time and such draw rotated on rotated displays |
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| 23:29:17 | Llorean | conando: 450 is VERY high for such a small resolution\ |
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| 23:29:47 | Llorean | I use 450 for 320x180 content. |
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| 23:30:19 | conando | Llorean i know.. but i guess i'm a bit "weird" in regards to visual quality because i mainly do video postpro as my 9 to 5 job.. :/ |
| 23:30:40 | Llorean | conando: Do you have dithering enabled in mpegplayer? |
| 23:30:57 | Llorean | Try passing -qscale 6, but turning on dithering in mpegplayer, and not setting a bitrate. |
| 23:30:58 | conando | and i got used to the quality of the low compression mjpeg quicktime files in the first two days with the sansa and it's original firmware ;) |
| 23:30:59 | jhMikeS | I guess to rotate text (just the time displays), I'll use lcd_framebuffer as temp space. |
| 23:32:05 | conando | llorean yeah i tried.. of course it eats some performance.. so i really can't use dithering with high bitrates.. of course it helps with blocking artefacts of lower bitrates but doesn't help with mosquito noise etc ;) |
| 23:32:22 | linuxstb | What about just using your own (minimal) font(s)? Do you even need any letters? |
| 23:32:34 | Llorean | conando: "mosquito noise"? |
| 23:32:44 | linuxstb | These could be pre-rotated for the portrait targets. |
| 23:33:05 | linuxstb | BTW, by "font" I just mean a bitmap strip... |
| 23:33:32 | conando | Llorean common term in the world of lossy video compression artefacts ;) |
| 23:33:53 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I might. I didn't want to eat up plugin buffer space since I might want that for code. I guess only about 35% is used now. |
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| 23:34:07 | Llorean | conando: Yes, but it doesn't mean anything to me, and telling me "Oh, it's something you don't know" doesn't help any |
| 23:34:13 | linuxstb | How many characters would you need though? |
| 23:34:23 | conando | Llorean yes sorry i know... |
| 23:34:38 | Llorean | conando: You're going to have to accept that these are VERY slow devices, and either lower your video bitrate, or also lower your framerate. |
| 23:34:43 | Llorean | The MJPEG only ran at 15fps anyway |
| 23:34:49 | conando | Llorean it's caused by the DCT compression |
| 23:35:26 | conando | Llorean no.. the OF plays MJPEG B 224x128 movs totally fine up to around 28fps |
| 23:35:49 | Llorean | conando: The video encoder transcodes them and lowers the framerate. |
| 23:35:50 | mhydronic | hey guys. just updated from a few days ago to the latest build for ipod video and it keeps freezing at the wps. the previous build did this as well |
| 23:35:56 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: not much if I only show time and volume. any bitmap images can be pre-rotated of couse. |
| 23:36:18 | conando | regarding mosquito noise/ringing.. it's best to describe visually.. if you do a google image search with "mosquito noise" you'll get plenty of images... eg. http://www.highdefforum.com/gallery/data/511/40Jpeg_distortion.jpg |
| 23:36:49 | conando | Llorean i did never use the original (windows i guess) sansa software to transcode the video |
| 23:36:50 | jhMikeS | that's just ringing from finite frequency response |
| 23:37:23 | conando | jhMikeS yes.. and it's commonly called "mosquito noise" in the video world ;) |
| 23:37:47 | jhMikeS | I am aware of that :) |
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| 23:38:17 | Llorean | Is doubling the necessary bitrate really going to produce a noticeable improvement on such a tiny screen in terms of ringing? |
| 23:38:27 | conando | Llorean the video player of the OF would read a standard quicktime mov with an mjpeg encoded video track and an uncompressed pcm audio track (11/22,5/44,1khz) |
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| 23:39:32 | jhMikeS | any bandlimited waveform that would require an inifinite number of partials to synthesize perfectly will "ring". |
| 23:39:41 | conando | well at least from my observations yes... but of course video compression is _highly_ subjective.. the perceived visual quality differs highly.. i mean.. my girlfriend eg. didn't see any difference at all ;) |
| 23:40:08 | Llorean | conando: If you want to watch portable video, why don't you actually buy a player fast enough to support higher quality video |
| 23:40:20 | Llorean | I've tested the Gigabeat with 1500kbps at 320x180 without frame dropping. |
| 23:40:38 | conando | it's not so much the ringing but of course the higher the bitrate the more (smallest) details will be preserved.. especially with such a small screen held up pretty close to your eyes.. it's quite visible.. |
| 23:40:43 | billbeef | llorean |
| 23:40:57 | billbeef | whn i transcoded that video it cut it down like only did 15 mins of it? |
| 23:40:58 | Llorean | conando: With the pixellation, I'm surprised you're holding it that close... |
| 23:41:04 | conando | Llorean of course that's an option ;) |
| 23:41:07 | Llorean | billbeef: Then learn how to use your tools better. |
| 23:41:28 | Llorean | I can't really provide you support for some random video encoding tool. |
| 23:41:42 | billbeef | :/ |
| 23:41:43 | conando | no but the quality is really fine.. please don't take it as me complaining or something |
| 23:41:52 | billbeef | i used WinFF |
| 23:42:15 | conando | as i wrote here earlier i'm just looking into building something like the mpegplayer plugin but for (fluid ;o) playing of the quicktime mjpeg files i encoded for the OF |
| 23:42:30 | Llorean | billbeef: Then it won't cut the file length unless you interrupt it, set a filesize or time limit, or a bug interferes. |
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| 23:44:03 | billbeef | thats it |
| 23:44:07 | billbeef | i cut it i think |
| 23:44:09 | billbeef | my accident |
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| 23:45:02 | conando | sigh.. how many of these "support calls" do you get here every day? |
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| 23:48:11 | jhMikeS | Llorean: were you going to post new encoding settings to the wiki? |
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| 23:49:30 | bardia | question about the c200 with rockbox. i listened to the c250 in the store w/ my in-ear buds and the sound was fantastic, noise free. mp3 and radio both. my concern is volume. from what i read i should have finer volume levels with rockbox? b/c the minimum volume on the sansa firmware is too loud for my sensitive ears ;-) note: i also tried the sansa express in the store, which had an acceptable min level, presumably b/c of a wimpier amplifier, but i'd hate to |
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| 23:49:59 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I plan to yes. I need to test ones on at least all the hardware I have, which means I won't be finishing testing until at least after the sixth |
| 23:50:29 | Llorean | bardia: The Rockbox volume allows much, much lower volumes |
| 23:50:32 | Llorean | The full range of the hardware. |
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| 23:52:39 | bardia | perfect |
| 23:53:38 | jhMikeS | Llorean: ok. I wonder if I should post a safe "guarantees a decent experience" profile until then. The main issue for precision is just GOP length. |
| 23:53:38 | conando | Llorean what settings do you think of? |
| 23:54:29 | Llorean | jhMikeS: You should add a "New for seeking: Set GOP length to 15 maximum" or some such perhaps? |
| 23:54:49 | jhMikeS | yeah, that's standard DVD fare |
| 23:55:32 | Llorean | conando: -qscale 6, frame rate and encoding size dependent upon target screen (presets for 4:3, 16:9 and 2.35 aspects with an intent to minimize or avoid frameskipping), with encoder options leaning toward slower, better quality rather than faster encodes. Trying to balance quality and size |
| 23:55:45 | amiconn | Why does gop length matter? I'd just limit seeking to start-of-gop ... |
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| 23:56:25 | conando | Llorean sounds reasonable of course.. i'm looking forward to the options you recommend |
| 23:57:07 | jhMikeS | amiconn: You need an I frame to start the decoder and then wind it to the exact time. GOP starts with an I-frame always. I plan to have some limit on how far it will go but then seeking is very coarse. |
| 23:57:42 | amiconn | I know, and I wouldn't mid seeking at gop granularity |
| 23:57:53 | amiconn | DVD players do the same... |
| 23:58:05 | conando | i've never used ffmpeg/mencoder for mpeg2 encoding until now but mostly cinemacraft/carbon coder (commercial fare) so i'm eager to learn ;) |
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