| 00:00:06 | amiconn | Yes, why not? Trade compression for seek accuracy or somesuch |
| 00:00:33 | amiconn | The seek should of course snap to the nearest start-of-gop |
| 00:00:47 | jhMikeS | for DVD it's 15 for PAL and 18 for NTSC and all the players can wind to a particular frame in that case quite quickly |
| 00:00:50 | Llorean | amiconn: Seeking is plenty fast as it is right now, at least on Gigabeat. ;) |
| 00:00:56 | conando | how does mplayer do it? |
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| 00:00:59 | dsa | hello |
| 00:01:02 | Llorean | I can seek nearly instantly with GOP length of 300. :-P |
| 00:01:31 | dsa | does rockbox work with any version of ipod firmware |
| 00:01:44 | dsa | for example theres an update available for the 5.5g winpod |
| 00:01:45 | Llorean | dsa: As long as it works with that hardware version, yes |
| 00:01:46 | conando | seeking with mplayer is always almost instantly... but i guess they don't care about uncorrupted decoding after seeking as the first few frames after a seek are a bit messed up most of the time ;) |
| 00:01:53 | dsa | ioh ok |
| 00:01:56 | dsa | awesome |
| 00:02:08 | Llorean | conando: mplayer is also on processors on average 10+ times faster than ours. |
| 00:02:31 | jhMikeS | conando: when I looked they "sloppy seek" to about within 1/2 second but the algorthm I came up with can find an exact timestamp in about 5-15 iterations so why not be precise. :) |
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| 00:03:06 | conando | of course.. but this is also how it "feels" on slower processors.. mplayer is aroudn for quite some time and it's sort of known aroudn for this "instant seeking" behaviour or feeling or whatever ;) |
| 00:03:19 | dsa | is it possible to use fdisk on windows? |
| 00:03:34 | Llorean | conando: Have you tried the new seeking in Rockbox with a reasonable GOP value? |
| 00:03:34 | jhMikeS | I think they may fine tune the initial seek afterward. I know WMP will give up being exact if it has to search too far. |
| 00:03:37 | amiconn | conando: Try it on a ~100MHz machine... |
| 00:03:38 | Llorean | conando: It was just added a few hours ago |
| 00:03:54 | conando | jhMikeS yeah i already thought they'd do a pretty sloppy seek ;) .. ah cool.. then bring it on hehe |
| 00:05:00 | amiconn | I.e. top-level PC from 1994 or 1995 |
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| 00:05:41 | conando | Llorean no not yet.. i was talking to jhMikeS about it just before he committed the changes... just have to finish some other work here first :( |
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| 00:06:17 | Llorean | It's orders and orders of magnitude faster feeling than the previous start point selection |
| 00:06:58 | conando | amiconn of course it won't be the same as on state of the art workstation hardware.. i never said that.. i meant just in comparison with other software on the same machine doing seeks mplayer will almost always outperform |
| 00:07:14 | conando | sounds great! |
| 00:07:34 | amiconn | Llorean: Is startup time also better now? |
| 00:07:41 | Llorean | amiconn: MUCH |
| 00:07:42 | dsa | anyone? |
| 00:08:00 | Llorean | amiconn: I can resume a file at 1:53:22 almost instantly (spin up is the only real delay) |
| 00:08:03 | amiconn | Old mpegplayer had slow startup on coldfire, and was pathetic on PP... |
| 00:08:12 | Llorean | It was pretty bad on Gigabeat too |
| 00:08:23 | amiconn | I mean even when playing from the beginning |
| 00:08:23 | Llorean | I'll be testing on an iPod Video in a few days for a Best / Worst comparison |
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| 00:08:31 | EternalRains | dsa: short answer: yes. |
| 00:08:44 | dsa | long answer? |
| 00:08:45 | conando | 1:53:22? that's a pretty long video to watch on such a small device :) |
| 00:08:55 | EternalRains | go here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/255867 |
| 00:08:59 | dsa | kk |
| 00:09:01 | dsa | thank you |
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| 00:09:15 | EternalRains | welcome |
| 00:09:17 | Llorean | conando: I have encodes of several of my DVDs for testing purposes. |
| 00:09:25 | EternalRains | but google it first |
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| 00:10:57 | * | amiconn once watched LotR part 1 on the archos recorder :> (@ conando) |
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| 00:11:21 | conando | i haven't yet tried watching a whole (2h) movie on the little 220x176 screen ;) |
| 00:11:33 | conando | amiconn... that's pretty much as geeky as it can get... |
| 00:11:42 | amiconn | Archos is 112x64, monochrome. Showing greyscale with neat trickery. |
| 00:11:47 | Llorean | I managed to get through all of 300 on a 132x80 screen at 2.35 aspect ratio |
| 00:12:01 | conando | i know.. before the sansa i still used my archos player :) |
| 00:12:02 | jhMikeS | at least a 320x240 screen + nice CPU power makes it ok to watch TV and movies |
| 00:12:10 | Llorean | Though I only half watched it. Looks to make sure it was going, etc, just curious about battery life. |
| 00:12:20 | conando | oh you could have topped that lotr "experience" .. you could have watched it as ascii art on the archos player ;o) |
| 00:12:21 | Llorean | Surprising results, after the whole film it still showed 77% charge. |
| 00:13:19 | jhMikeS | Llorean: Do you turn the BL brightness way down? I keep it up just high enough for white to seem white. |
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| 00:13:32 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I left it at default |
| 00:14:09 | Llorean | I don't know whether the percentages are right for the c200 yet, but if they are, it'd suggest you could get 9 hours of video or more out of it, surprisingly. |
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| 00:14:19 | amiconn | conando: Honestly, I pondered trying the greyscale trick on the archos player. But I guess you won't be able to recognise much at 20x14 pixels resolution... |
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| 00:14:36 | jhMikeS | this will also use less CPU since it actually sleeps the processor now when waiting to draw frames |
| 00:15:44 | amiconn | Oh, it didn't do that before? |
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| 00:17:24 | jhMikeS | amiconn: no, just spinning. now it waits for the whole duration and just spins the small remainder to be accurate. if waiting for audio insert, it sleeps the audio thread for one audio frame. |
| 00:18:34 | Bagder | FYI, the Sansa View has a second partition made exactly like the e200v1 |
| 00:19:02 | linuxstb | Was the View the one with the PP-derived chip(s)? |
| 00:19:07 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:19:09 | jhMikeS | not waits the _whole_ duration but duration - 1 tick and most frames are several ticks long |
| 00:19:32 | * | linuxstb has lost track of the Sansa range of players... |
| 00:19:49 | Bagder | the view looks almost like a e200 and has the PP61x0 something |
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| 00:20:17 | jhMikeS | sansa's trying to keep up with the new rockbox ports started lately :) |
| 00:22:09 | * | jhMikeS also doesn't know why he keeps referring to "SanDisk" as "Sansa" :p |
| 00:23:37 | conando | santa? ;) |
| 00:23:57 | conando | he brought me a sansa for xmas... |
| 00:24:56 | jhMikeS | I think the e200 v3 is coming out next week or am I behind on things? |
| 00:26:28 | GWillakers | Reading the manual I don't see anything about 'Smart Playlists' ... does RB have them?? |
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| 00:27:08 | linuxstb | The database has fully customisable searches - which I think are equivalent to what Apple call "Smart playlists". |
| 00:27:51 | linuxstb | If they're not in the manual, you can read about them here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataBase |
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| 00:32:03 | GWillakers | thanks, i'll give it a look. |
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| 02:00:39 | TheBiggerGuy | does anyone know if the Iaudio X5 reset switch is a push-to-make or a push-to-break switch, mine just fell off |
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| 02:06:03 | moos | TheBiggerGuy: you don't need the reset button under rockbox |
| 02:08:42 | TheBiggerGuy | my x5 wont turn on thow so i thought the reset might be a push-to-break switch on the power circuit |
| 02:08:43 | TheBiggerGuy | any thoughts |
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| 02:11:11 | Soap | 16 hours runtime on my iPod 5th gen. |
| 02:11:17 | Soap | 78% of apple firmware |
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| 02:12:23 | moos | TheBiggerGuy: ah ok :(, maybe check wiki but don't know if you will find |
| 02:12:48 | moos | Soap: how much do you win in proportion? |
| 02:12:53 | Soap | compared with 51% of apple runtime 15 months ago. |
| 02:13:33 | * | moos is surprised to see comparaisons, appel fw oriented ;) |
| 02:14:25 | Soap | 50% 15 months ago, 55% after COP and 64MB buffer, 66% after HDD poweroff, 78% after USB poweroff. |
| 02:14:59 | Llorean | Soap: Tried this patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8379 |
| 02:15:30 | moos | Soap: and compared to svn how much you win? |
| 02:15:51 | moos | that was 12% for Bushel |
| 02:16:11 | Llorean | Ah |
| 02:16:19 | Soap | that's the one I used for this latest test, I did NOT have the hold switch on, thus no Clickwheel poweroff. |
| 02:16:33 | Llorean | The second one or the first one? |
| 02:16:42 | Soap | 78/66 = 18% gain |
| 02:16:44 | Soap | second one. |
| 02:16:55 | Llorean | I'm curious what we're supposed to gain from a higher base clock speed. |
| 02:17:10 | Llorean | Doesn't that mean more power is wasted when we don't need boosting? |
| 02:17:14 | moos | Soap: indeed nice |
| 02:17:18 | Soap | he was hoping to keeep MPC from boosting. |
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| 02:18:03 | Soap | IIUC he was seeing if 0% boost @ 45 was better than X% boost @ 35. |
| 02:18:48 | TheBiggerGuy | p.s. while iv got the lid of the X5L version do you want any pics |
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| 02:19:36 | Soap | well, let's remove my previous rounding from my answer - 16h/13.75h = 16% gain. |
| 02:20:08 | Llorean | I don't like the idea of boosting the idea of boosting the CPU for specific codecs. |
| 02:20:32 | Soap | Llorean, do you care to rephrase that? I am confused. |
| 02:20:39 | Llorean | Sorry, boosting the _base_ cpu |
| 02:21:36 | TheBiggerGuy | moos: Lookin at the pcb it looks like 1 side to the reset is on ground, do u think if i short it, it will be ok? |
| 02:21:39 | saratoga3 | i also dislike the idea of boosting the base CPU |
| 02:22:25 | saratoga3 | though i'd be very interested in seeing the difference in current draw between keeping the CPU at 45MHz and boosting from 30/80 |
| 02:22:31 | Llorean | I could understand picking a baseline for what the "base" CPU should be, for example "Decoding MP3 @ CBR 128kbps" or something, but the baseline should either be chosen based on "what's good for the CPU", "what's good for the UI" or "what's good for the single most common codec" (imho) |
| 02:22:49 | saratoga3 | or maybe letting each codec request what base CPU should be used |
| 02:23:04 | saratoga3 | though honestly i think the difference is small |
| 02:23:20 | Soap | buschel mentioned earlier that his earlier assumption was wrong, and that amiconn was right that power consumption had a linear correlation to clock speed, thus boosting shouldn't be costly - and lord knows it is simple. |
| 02:23:41 | saratoga3 | yes thats what i expected since theres no change in voltage |
| 02:23:50 | moos | The BiggerGuy: I never opened my X5 yet :), try what do you feel at your risk, maybe you could ask LinusN when he will back(maybe next week). He made the iaudio X5 port... |
| 02:24:02 | Llorean | Soap: My understanding is that boosting has a linear correlation to clock speed, *except* that it may be possible to run some processors at a lower voltage and gain some savings (iirc), but we don't do that. |
| 02:24:08 | Llorean | lower voltage when slow |
| 02:24:15 | Soap | ooohhh |
| 02:24:48 | Soap | that's a cool can of worms. |
| 02:25:35 | Llorean | *someone* told me that, I think it may even have been amiconn. |
| 02:26:01 | Llorean | I may have misunderstood or misrepresented what he said. Lord knows plenty of other things fly past me. :) |
| 02:26:26 | TheBiggerGuy | will the bootloader display anything if the harddrive is disconected (X5)? |
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| 02:26:57 | Llorean | Probably |
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| 02:39:55 | aliask | Who was it that was playing around with flashing over JTAG? |
| 02:40:07 | JdGordon | on which target? |
| 02:40:15 | aliask | Gigabeat F/X IIRC |
| 02:41:15 | JdGordon | dunno |
| 02:41:40 | moos | kkurbjun was, no? |
| 02:41:49 | aliask | That's right... |
| 02:42:35 | aliask | I've got a gigabeat S lying around, thought I'd give getting it back up and running a shot |
| 02:43:11 | moos | good luck then ;P |
| 02:43:14 | aliask | But I don't have the faintest idea how to go about it |
| 02:51:39 | JdGordon | woo |
| 02:51:40 | JdGordon | ! |
| 02:51:42 | JdGordon | viewports |
| 02:54:08 | Llorean | JdGordon: Someone needs to start adapting it to other LCDs, wink wink, nudge nudge. |
| 02:54:28 | JdGordon | finnaly, something interesting to do.. |
| 02:57:32 | moos | go go go ! :) |
| 02:58:11 | JdGordon | food first though |
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| 03:04:51 | JamPS | Hi, how can I limit the maximum volume? |
| 03:05:03 | Llorean | Don't turn it up. |
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| 03:08:33 | Llorean | You could make use of the equalizer precut to digitally lower the overall volume, thus effectively capping the maximum volume. |
| 03:10:38 | aliask | Would that eat CPU though? |
| 03:10:43 | mokkurkalve | There are also the option to use replaygain together with the raplaygain pre-amp option |
| 03:11:04 | saratoga3 | i think precut is pretty much free, at least it should be |
| 03:11:07 | Llorean | aliask: The precut should just be one multiply per sample, iiuc. |
| 03:11:54 | aliask | Sounds like a good solution then... |
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| 03:12:53 | Llorean | It ought to work, I think the precut goes to -24 |
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| 03:13:41 | psycho_maniac | Can we now seek in mpegplayer? |
| 03:14:16 | Llorean | psycho_maniac: No. |
| 03:14:35 | Llorean | That's why it says "Actual UI for seeking will be added soon" |
| 03:14:48 | psycho_maniac | no? then i must of got the new svn comment confused. ahhh thats kinda what i figured. |
| 03:15:27 | psycho_maniac | Thanks for clearing that up |
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| 03:25:33 | TheBiggerGuy | anyone know the iaudio x5 circuitry |
| 03:26:55 | TheBiggerGuy | or the 3rd generation ipod |
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| 03:38:19 | * | Soap hasn't launched mpegplayer for years it seems like. |
| 03:38:42 | Mouser_X | Soap: That would be because it hasn't been around for years... |
| 03:38:56 | Mouser_X | (I think I used the wrong words there.) |
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| 04:24:01 | countrymonkeyweb | hi all. |
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| 04:28:28 | billenium123 | something weird happened: a good portion of my songs will not play and my ipod cant find the videos i put on my ipod (converted with Winff) |
| 04:29:26 | Llorean | "My ipod can't find"? |
| 04:29:31 | Llorean | You mean "I can't find?" |
| 04:29:37 | billenium123 | i guess |
| 04:29:39 | Llorean | Any file on your iPod can be seen in the file browser. |
| 04:29:54 | billenium123 | well i checked twice... and it wasnt there |
| 04:29:56 | Llorean | Try setting the file view mode to "all" |
| 04:30:02 | billenium123 | how? |
| 04:30:08 | Llorean | Try reading the manual... |
| 04:30:18 | billenium123 | er okay |
| 04:30:41 | psycho_maniac | if you have the pdf version you can easily search the whole thing |
| 04:32:09 | billenium123 | er i found it |
| 04:32:13 | billenium123 | but it doesnt tell me how to change it |
| 04:32:56 | psycho_maniac | quick menu? |
| 04:33:02 | billenium123 | oh wait |
| 04:33:03 | billenium123 | doi |
| 04:33:04 | billenium123 | thanks |
| 04:33:13 | billenium123 | im being stupid |
| 04:33:23 | billenium123 | thanks |
| 04:36:58 | psycho_maniac | no problem |
| 04:51:36 | countrymonkeyweb | What do you all think about auto-translation of the rb manual? |
| 04:52:39 | Llorean | It's likely to produce greater confusion. |
| 04:52:56 | Llorean | Very specific instructions don't tend to auto-translate well. |
| 04:54:09 | countrymonkeyweb | auto-translation of the faq? I just don't think it is right that non-english people cannot get help for rb. |
| 04:54:45 | Llorean | Non-English people aren't lining up and volunteering to keep everything fully updated in parallel with the English versions. |
| 04:55:52 | countrymonkeyweb | still, nextup uses auto-translation on manuals... |
| 04:56:13 | Llorean | So, because someone else has bad practices, we should? |
| 04:56:38 | Llorean | Can nextup cause a piece of hardware to be completely unusable if people ignore or misunderstand the instructions? |
| 04:57:04 | psycho_maniac | some words arent translated right when you use auto translation. we went over this before with you. |
| 04:57:14 | Llorean | psycho_maniac: Not to mention grammar |
| 04:57:23 | Llorean | A sentence can come out of auto-translation with a different meaning than it went in with |
| 04:57:37 | countrymonkeyweb | I figured since the manual didn't have as many tech terms. |
| 04:58:09 | psycho_maniac | we went over this with you before with the language files |
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| 04:58:34 | countrymonkeyweb | right |
| 04:58:37 | Llorean | The manual is going to have at least as many technical terms as the language file because it has descriptions of most of the menus AND installation instructions |
| 04:58:57 | psycho_maniac | and you got pretty much the same answer. |
| 04:59:15 | countrymonkeyweb | got it. And same holds true with the faq. |
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| 05:00:02 | psycho_maniac | im pretty sure auto translation is a big no no for anything relating to rockbox. i couldnt see any community wanting to use it unless there lazy and dont care about there users. |
| 05:00:21 | countrymonkeyweb | OK. That ain't rb! Go rockbox! |
| 05:00:31 | psycho_maniac | im pretty sure this community is NOT lazy and DOES care about there users. |
| 05:01:19 | hcs | Can anyone with knowledge of power management take a look at my patch for recognition of Firewire power on some ipods? |
| 05:01:38 | hcs | 'cause otherwise it's going in flyspray to sit |
| 05:02:03 | Llorean | hcs: I think you may want amiconn? |
| 05:02:24 | hcs | Llorean: yeah, but I couldn't get an answer from amiconn |
| 05:02:39 | hcs | he pointed me in the right direction but didn't look at the patch |
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| 05:02:54 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 05:03:53 | psycho_maniac | would you be ablet o use the wall charger to test it? |
| 05:04:07 | hcs | psycho_maniac: yeah, it works for me |
| 05:04:36 | psycho_maniac | you have flyspray number? |
| 05:04:52 | hcs | I'll put it in now, just had it on pastebin (http://pastebin.ca/837304) |
| 05:05:18 | psycho_maniac | save it as filename.diff? |
| 05:05:28 | hcs | mhmm |
| 05:06:45 | psycho_maniac | how long you gonna be around? |
| 05:07:32 | Mouser_X | Knowing him, probably an hour or 2. |
| 05:07:34 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 05:07:43 | psycho_maniac | ok thats probably good. |
| 05:07:59 | hcs | FS #8387 |
| 05:08:30 | hcs | I think it's fine, but I'm nervous with the core. |
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| 05:09:54 | psycho_maniac | and i CAN use my wall charger with this? just double checking |
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| 05:10:25 | Mouser_X | If you want your iPod to explode, then yes. :P |
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| 05:10:35 | Mouser_X | (Note: Not serious) |
| 05:11:00 | hcs | psycho_maniac: what wall charger? |
| 05:11:08 | psycho_maniac | I have the original wall charger from apple with the big block then it has a hole for a firewire cable |
| 05:11:30 | hcs | psycho_maniac: yeah, then that should work, I think. what ipod? |
| 05:11:39 | psycho_maniac | ipod 5.5g video |
| 05:11:54 | hcs | oh, no, this is for 4G and mini |
| 05:12:06 | psycho_maniac | dangit |
| 05:12:29 | psycho_maniac | then i cannot help you :S |
| 05:13:17 | countrymonkeyweb | I can help. I have a 4g. Be darned that I gave my mini to my brother. |
| 05:14:20 | hcs | psycho_maniac: it doesn't already work for 5.5 video? |
| 05:14:26 | * | psycho_maniac closes my vmware sorry hcs |
| 05:14:52 | countrymonkeyweb | 5.5 has no firewire |
| 05:15:05 | psycho_maniac | yes thats hhow i ALWAYS charger it |
| 05:15:35 | psycho_maniac | with that wall charger. 5.5 does not support firewire transfer but you can charge with firewire |
| 05:16:21 | hcs | well, yes, and I'm just making the older models recognize the firewire charging now |
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| 06:07:20 | countrymonkeyweb | You could say they already do. |
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| 07:07:28 | |NSA| | woot, does rockbox finally have mpeg seeking? or is it just the backend code thats been commited but it doesnt work? |
| 07:08:06 | Llorean | Backend code, that works, but is only used when selecting a start time, or resuming, so far |
| 07:08:39 | |NSA| | didnt that exist already? |
| 07:08:51 | Llorean | Yes, but it was implemented poorly and slowly |
| 07:08:56 | Llorean | Now it's much faster, and much more accurate. |
| 07:09:12 | Llorean | It's fast enough to be used for real seeking, which just needs a UI now |
| 07:10:34 | |NSA| | :) |
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| 07:16:15 | webguest63 | hey |
| 07:16:34 | webguest63 | does rockbox play wmv? |
| 07:16:51 | webguest63 | is anyone actually here? |
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| 07:17:19 | |NSA| | does anyone wait more than 2 minutes? |
| 07:17:31 | |NSA| | or 40 seconds? |
| 07:18:35 | Mouser_X | Wow... |
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| 08:08:03 | ptw419 | what needs to be defined to enable DEBUGF output? |
| 08:10:58 | eigma | from what I can see, it's only enabled in the simulator bulid |
| 08:11:15 | eigma | ah no, my bad |
| 08:11:20 | eigma | DEBUG needs to be defined |
| 08:11:51 | Llorean | It's an option under Advanced builds, I think |
| 08:12:33 | ptw419 | ok, ty |
| 08:12:34 | amiconn | DEBUG works for the simulator and on archos (except Ondios) |
| 08:13:02 | amiconn | On target you'll need a gdb stub and some suitable communication method |
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| 08:29:05 | bardia | back from the store with a c240 :-) installed the rockbox firmware and fonts, about to run sansapatcher. is it amd64 safe? the new versions of sansapatcher don't have amd64 binaries for d/l. is that b/c it broke or someone got tired of doing it? source seems to compile fine. just some seemingly innocent type warnings... |
| 08:33:45 | Mouser_X | bardia: c240 AMD64 safe? What do you mean? Why wouldn't it be? |
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| 08:34:31 | amiconn | Mouser_X: The sansapatcher executable... |
| 08:34:43 | Mouser_X | Ah... Sorry. |
| 08:34:59 | Mouser_X | Still though, I don't know why it wouldn't be. |
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| 08:40:08 | bardia | just nervous that only v0.2 had the precompiled binary. it ran fine. :-) |
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| 11:16:37 | waldo | Llorean & Badger .. you guys told me yesterday that with rockbox the sansa c200 can use sdhc when using rockbox ... i have a question tough .. seen as how i use the original sansa firmware to connect to the pc .. it won't recognise sdhc there will it ? |
| 11:17:11 | waldo | do i need a sdhc card reader ? |
| 11:18:31 | Llorean | Yes |
| 11:18:45 | Llorean | Or you can copy the files to the c200, then in Rockbox move them to the card |
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| 11:26:40 | JdGordon | FUCK! |
| 11:26:47 | JdGordon | actions need to be reverted |
| 11:27:05 | JdGordon | actually... maybe not |
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| 11:29:46 | linuxstb | JdGordon: ?? |
| 11:30:03 | JdGordon | hey |
| 11:30:10 | JdGordon | nice work :) |
| 11:30:21 | JdGordon | im writing up a reply to the tracker |
| 11:31:08 | linuxstb | You're talking about viewports? |
| 11:31:13 | JdGordon | yep |
| 11:31:25 | linuxstb | You have comments on my patch? |
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| 11:31:49 | JdGordon | nothing major |
| 11:31:55 | GodEater | oooh - there's an actual patch now? |
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| 11:31:59 | GodEater | I've missed too much! |
| 11:32:02 | stripwax | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8385 |
| 11:32:04 | stripwax | nice |
| 11:32:17 | JdGordon | is having 2 viewport structs really needed? a seperate one for remote is nto going to play nice |
| 11:32:20 | JdGordon | imho |
| 11:32:31 | linuxstb | I know - I've been thinking about that... |
| 11:32:50 | linuxstb | I'm going to do a remote driver next, so I can work out how to do it. |
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| 11:33:16 | linuxstb | The downside of course is unused items (fg/bg patterns) for mono remotes. |
| 11:33:30 | JdGordon | ill pastebin my comment... |
| 11:33:57 | JdGordon | http://rafb.net/p/9KwDic97.html <- /me too lazy to retype it |
| 11:34:47 | JdGordon | I dont have a problem with unused items if it makes apps easier to handle |
| 11:35:15 | linuxstb | I think I agree - I've been torn between the two options. |
| 11:36:22 | Llorean | I'm gonna put my opinion alongside JdGordon's on this one. |
| 11:37:07 | JdGordon | its only the h300/x5 with that problem anyway |
| 11:38:11 | JdGordon | the rest of my comment was "nice work" followed by a brain dump on implementing fun stuff in apps like having wps and menu int he same screen |
| 11:38:31 | linuxstb | Don't worry, I agree - I had pretty much decided to go that way anyway. |
| 11:39:36 | GodEater | that will be an interesting read. As I recall LinusN was against having a menu showing while the WPS was up since the player wouldn't know which context to send button presses to. |
| 11:39:43 | pixelma | the M5 uses the sam iaudio remote so it can have two displays with the same colour depth... (if that's something to consider too, otherwise ignore ;) ) |
| 11:40:14 | JdGordon | pixelma: yeah, but the m5 is not 16bit like the other two.. so it wont have the extra vars |
| 11:40:31 | linuxstb | Greyscale targets have fg/bg_pattern |
| 11:40:42 | JdGordon | oh? ah! hmm |
| 11:40:52 | linuxstb | And the iaudio remote is greyscale IIRC |
| 11:40:59 | JdGordon | GodEater: yeah, the button thing is a problem - hence my outburst before... |
| 11:41:29 | linuxstb | The only mono remotes are for the h100/h300 and m:robe. |
| 11:41:34 | Llorean | GodEater, JdGordon: I think it's pretty simple. If the WPS is primary, don't show the menu at all. If the menu is visible, keypresses always go to it. But that's how I'd do it for myself |
| 11:42:14 | JdGordon | but even with viewports, its not that simple to setup a screen with both the wps and the menu |
| 11:42:24 | linuxstb | My thoughts (in my viewports design doc) were to have the status bar drawn by the wps code - so the status bar in effect becomes a mini wps which can be drawn in multiple viewports. |
| 11:42:31 | Llorean | I meant "simple" in the sense of "what takes precedence", not implementation. ;) |
| 11:42:57 | linuxstb | And the menu will be drawn in another user-defined viewport (or group of viewports). |
| 11:43:37 | GodEater | is the idea still to be able to turn viewports on/off at will ? |
| 11:44:06 | JdGordon | what I was thinking is building a window manager into apps which would keep track of which "screens" (including button bar and status bar) to display, a function for each one to call for it to draw in its viewport, and a action/logic function to call.. it would then pass the desired action on |
| 11:44:21 | JdGordon | but that would need a bit of a rewrite to work properly |
| 11:45:54 | Llorean | The phrase "window manager" is a little scary. ;) |
| 11:45:55 | JdGordon | what we could then do is add some tags to the wps to specify where to display the browser/menu from "inside" the wps, or globally, or whatever.. |
| 11:46:18 | JdGordon | Llorean: ill use a better phrase if you can think of one |
| 11:47:03 | * | GodEater wonders why the patch changes chopper.c |
| 11:48:53 | Llorean | JdGordon: That's what I like. A WPS conditional for "Menu", basically |
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| 11:49:54 | linuxstb | GodEater: Well spotted - there was a bug in my code which showed up in chopper, so I was modifying it to debug it. I'll revert that file... |
| 11:50:33 | JdGordon | linuxstb: so the screen api isnt changing except you set the viewport before and after finishing drawing? |
| 11:51:17 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I haven't thought about the screens api yet - I've just been implementing the core LCD functions and the WPS changes. |
| 11:52:58 | linuxstb | GodEater: What do you mean by turning viewports on/off at will? |
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| 11:54:47 | GodEater | I don't mean turning them off, I mean being able to display / not display |
| 11:55:10 | JdGordon | ... ? |
| 11:55:16 | GodEater | I think JdGordon / Llorean already covered it more eloquently |
| 11:55:23 | JdGordon | menu on wps thing? |
| 11:55:26 | GodEater | yes |
| 11:55:54 | JdGordon | I imagine that will come.. porbably not for a while though |
| 11:56:05 | GodEater | indeed not. |
| 11:56:15 | * | GodEater wasn't expecting it in the initial implementation :) |
| 11:56:23 | * | linuxstb still likes his status-bar-as-wps idea - reusing the existing wps code to display the status bar, including any existing wps elements. |
| 11:56:38 | stripwax | So the idea with menu+wps is that you would be able to define a 'menu wps' containing that status info and a viewport for where the menu goes? |
| 11:56:40 | JdGordon | linuxstb: and in the other screens? |
| 11:56:40 | GodEater | yep - I think that's good too |
| 11:56:51 | stripwax | I like it too |
| 11:57:09 | JdGordon | stripwax: no, i was thinking a tag which would say where in the wps the menu would be shown when it is activated |
| 11:57:36 | stripwax | Oh - so that status bar in the main WPS and the status bar in the menu system would be one-and-the-same? (no possibility to change it?) |
| 11:57:51 | JdGordon | linuxstb: nice work... im going to bed... would it be more helpful to start playing with the drawing of a screen? or converting one of the other lcd drivers? |
| 11:58:24 | * | stripwax thought it would be a different .wps definition for menu pages |
| 11:58:43 | * | JdGordon doesnt like that idea, but is pretty sure that will happen also |
| 11:59:12 | JdGordon | as for the statusbar, I agree it could be wps-ified using the existing parser.. but shouldnt be considered part of the wps |
| 11:59:20 | GodEater | I thought we were still resisting custom menus |
| 11:59:28 | GodEater | because of the associated support nightmare |
| 11:59:41 | JdGordon | yes, content and looks are not the same |
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| 12:01:03 | stripwax | JdGordon - actually that's exactly what I meant −− the statusbar is defined separately from the main wps |
| 12:01:07 | linuxstb | Each viewport defined in the .wps would have an attribute - wps only, status bar only or "both". When the wps_refresh function is called, it will only render the appropriate viewports. The menu viewport(s) will be defined separately, and rendered into those. |
| 12:02:06 | JdGordon | yeah, I dont relly like the idea of having the statusbar and wps linked, even from just the .wps POV |
| 12:02:09 | stripwax | although if there's only one definition then it can't be changed per screen, of course |
| 12:02:37 | GodEater | I don't think that's too high a price to pay |
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| 12:07:55 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ... apps/? firmware/? stay the hell away? |
| 12:08:11 | linuxstb | What do you mean? |
| 12:08:22 | JdGordon | where would I be more helpful? |
| 12:08:49 | linuxstb | I guess the apps/ code - updating the GUI widgets like the list widget to use viewports. |
| 12:09:15 | JdGordon | k |
| 12:09:26 | linuxstb | Are you planning on working on it now, or are you about to sleep? |
| 12:09:40 | JdGordon | well.. its 3am... so sleep |
| 12:09:53 | * | JdGordon once again complains about this timezone :p |
| 12:10:15 | linuxstb | Perfect - that gives me my day to work on finalising the firmware/ code and hopefully implementing a few more drivers, including at least one of the remotes. |
| 12:10:49 | JdGordon | :) I dont know how much time ill have sunday to play, but monday and tuesday probably heaps |
| 12:11:28 | linuxstb | That's fine - the apps/ code works fine as it is, so there's no rush to implement viewports there. |
| 12:11:35 | JdGordon | OH... one thing I wanted to ask... does all scrolling lines on the screen have to be goingin in the same direction? |
| 12:12:18 | JdGordon | or are they all the same in the test plugin because the scroll engin cant actually scroll right yet? |
| 12:12:22 | stripwax | two lines could be bidirectionally scrolling at different rates? |
| 12:12:26 | linuxstb | No, that's an attribute of the individual line. |
| 12:12:41 | linuxstb | The speed is global IIUC though. |
| 12:12:50 | JdGordon | ok, thats cool |
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| 12:13:42 | JdGordon | and the number of lines scrolling is global? |
| 12:13:49 | JdGordon | its not X per vp? |
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| 12:14:17 | linuxstb | Yes, the limit is still global - there's a single list of lines for the display, not per-viewport. |
| 12:14:31 | conando | 3am? are you in california JdGorden? :) |
| 12:14:51 | JdGordon | seattle |
| 12:14:57 | linuxstb | It's possible the scrolling code can be changed/improved further - this is just my first attempt. |
| 12:15:03 | conando | ah..nice |
| 12:15:25 | JdGordon | linuxstb: good enough for now.. probably for a long while also |
| 12:16:13 | * | linuxstb is used to JdGordon being a day ahead, not a day behind... |
| 12:16:29 | JdGordon | haha yeah, its a bit odd |
| 12:16:39 | * | JdGordon misses all the rockbox chatter |
| 12:16:55 | * | JdGordon ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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| 12:32:29 | Buschel | hi. can anyone please close patch #8264? this is not valid anymore due to re-work of mpegplayer. |
| 12:33:09 | linuxstb | Sure. |
| 12:33:30 | Buschel | thanks |
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| 12:43:39 | stripwax | Buschel - from my battery bench on 5g 60GB it seems I get 13hrs. Was hoping for more? |
| 12:45:39 | Buschel | stripwax: what did you get before? |
| 12:48:11 | stripwax | about the same .. 12.5hrs iirc |
| 12:48:27 | Buschel | strange... what kind of audio format? |
| 12:49:01 | stripwax | exclusively vorbis |
| 12:49:14 | Buschel | how much cpu uses vorbis? |
| 12:49:29 | stripwax | and between q4-q5 so ~128kbps. I think it's lower boost that mp3 |
| 12:49:41 | stripwax | than |
| 12:49:58 | stripwax | 20% boost ratio? I forget |
| 12:54:17 | Buschel | hmm, strange... soap got about 16h with his 5G |
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| 13:01:57 | stripwax | odd indeed. maybe I built a 32MB build by mistake? |
| 13:02:03 | * | stripwax checks |
| 13:02:51 | Buschel | ooops, I've made a mistake in my cleanup of the patch... gotta update it asap :/ |
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| 13:03:16 | stripwax | Hm. After 13:03:59 my battery bench log stops but it also reports 42% battery level.. is that right? |
| 13:04:11 | Buschel | hmm, that doesn't sound reasonable at all :/ |
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| 13:05:52 | stripwax | The last line reads: 13:03:59: 42% level, 6:00 hrs remaining, 3800mv, and oddly just 1 M/DA . Perhaps there's another 100 measurements that just failed to get saved out? |
| 13:06:00 | Buschel | this would lead to 13/0.58 = 22h estimated runtime. too long. also this means the writing of the log wasn't triggered... |
| 13:06:23 | Buschel | how large is your folder (in MB)? |
| 13:06:26 | stripwax | 128MB |
| 13:06:33 | stripwax | plus or minus a bit |
| 13:06:49 | scorche | Buschel: batteries dont discharge linearly... |
| 13:06:49 | stripwax | Have to head out but will be back later on.. |
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| 13:08:29 | Buschel | scorche: no, but you get a rough estimation. the discharge curve (in %) gets really non-linear below 15%. |
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| 13:41:09 | Retro` | hello |
| 13:41:14 | Retro` | anyone here? |
| 13:41:21 | Retro` | i need urgent help |
| 13:41:48 | Retro` | i am an owner of SanDisk Sansa e260 mp3 player |
| 13:41:53 | Retro` | i have bricked it |
| 13:42:32 | Retro` | i have Ubuntu 7.10 (Linux OS that is) installed |
| 13:42:42 | Retro` | i had my device connected |
| 13:43:10 | Retro` | then i opened gparted (the partition editor for the GNOME desktop environment) |
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| 13:44:03 | BigBambi | Retro`: Please don't use the enter key for punctuation |
| 13:44:09 | Retro` | then i removed my player's partitions |
| 13:44:21 | Retro` | and from then on my player is bricked |
| 13:44:24 | BigBambi | Retro`: First question - why? |
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| 13:45:29 | Retro` | i had no idea i just need to copy a blank text file sansa.fmt into the root folder of my player to format it |
| 13:45:50 | Retro` | please help me |
| 13:46:30 | Retro` | please give me a direct link to sansa e260 rom file |
| 13:46:31 | BigBambi | I'm afraid I don't own a Sansa, so am not much help. Could you see both partitions from gparted? |
| 13:47:00 | Retro` | BigBambi, i could see it, but now they are gone |
| 13:47:23 | Retro` | i was able to see them i ment to say |
| 13:47:27 | BigBambi | OK |
| 13:48:04 | Retro` | how can i restore my bootloader and firmware? |
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| 13:48:15 | Retro` | please assist me on this |
| 13:48:24 | Retro` | brb. lunch |
| 13:48:50 | Retro` | BigBambi, please temm me what to do... i'll read that when i come back... please |
| 13:48:57 | Retro` | *tell |
| 13:49:08 | BigBambi | I'm not the ideal person, as I say I don't own a Sansa |
| 13:49:23 | BigBambi | I'm sure someone else will come along and try to help when they see it |
| 13:49:39 | GodEater | I'm not sure having just the rom file would help if you've blown away the partition table |
| 13:49:51 | GodEater | but Bagder keeps some files for the sansa here : http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
| 13:54:14 | GodEater | also : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
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| 13:54:34 | DerPapst | maybe http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick is from help? |
| 13:54:51 | Retro` | thanks guys |
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| 13:55:13 | Retro` | let me tell you what i do so far about unbricking my device |
| 13:55:33 | GodEater | I still think blowing away the partition table has probably completely stuffed up recovery mode though |
| 13:55:50 | Retro` | i have followed this instructions http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17040 |
| 13:55:59 | BigBambi | Yeah, I think you will need to fix that before anything |
| 13:56:19 | Retro` | i can boot into recovery mode |
| 13:56:23 | Retro` | with the e200tool |
| 13:56:36 | DerPapst | i've never bricked my e200r so far so can't help much either |
| 13:56:37 | Retro` | following the http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17040 instructions |
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| 13:57:00 | Retro` | my player is not from the e200r series |
| 13:57:08 | Retro` | my player is from the e200 series |
| 13:57:11 | GodEater | shame |
| 13:57:20 | GodEater | then you wouldn't have been ABLE to delete the partition table |
| 13:57:23 | Retro` | e260 to be exact |
| 13:57:34 | Retro` | but i was |
| 13:57:39 | Retro` | even the hidden partition |
| 13:57:44 | Retro` | using gparted |
| 13:57:50 | BigBambi | Retro`: Not if you had an E260r you wouldn't |
| 13:58:06 | DerPapst | yeah.. you mentined that. however i can't help you. sorry. |
| 13:58:20 | DerPapst | *mentioned |
| 13:58:34 | * | BigBambi is still wondering why you deleted them |
| 13:58:34 | Retro` | is there anyone who can? |
| 13:58:44 | Retro` | BigBambi, because i'm a moron |
| 13:58:46 | Retro` | :) |
| 13:58:48 | DerPapst | heh |
| 13:58:50 | BigBambi | heh :) |
| 13:59:08 | Retro` | is there any way to restore those partitions? |
| 13:59:18 | GodEater | only by recreating them |
| 13:59:18 | DerPapst | if you wait i guess some one with more knowledge about your problem may show up. |
| 13:59:30 | GodEater | but you'd have to make sure there exactly the same as they were before |
| 13:59:34 | GodEater | or the device will likely not work |
| 13:59:34 | Retro` | GodEater, please instruct me how to recreate them |
| 13:59:38 | GodEater | I've no idea |
| 13:59:38 | BigBambi | Retro`: This channel is logged, so hopefully someone who can help will read the logs and turn up later, just keep checking back |
| 13:59:48 | GodEater | I don't own a sansa |
| 13:59:53 | Retro` | shame :/ |
| 13:59:54 | GodEater | so I've no idea what the sizes should be |
| 13:59:58 | BigBambi | You would need to know exactly what they were like |
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| 14:00:02 | DerPapst | can you connect it to your PC stiff? |
| 14:00:05 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 14:00:09 | BigBambi | And where they started etc. |
| 14:00:18 | Retro` | i can connect it to my pc |
| 14:00:24 | Retro` | but nothing happens |
| 14:00:35 | BigBambi | DerPapst: Does it matter if it is stiff? :) |
| 14:00:47 | Retro` | the using the instructions on http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17040 i am able to enter the recovery mode |
| 14:00:57 | DerPapst | yeah ok... i meant can ou access the flash with fdisk or so... |
| 14:01:19 | Retro` | fdisk? how to do that actually? |
| 14:01:59 | DerPapst | fdisk /dev/sdX where sdX is where your e260 is. |
| 14:02:04 | GodEater | gparted would work just as well |
| 14:02:10 | Retro` | oh that |
| 14:02:13 | GodEater | if you're not familiar with fdisk |
| 14:02:17 | Retro` | well, i can't |
| 14:02:20 | * | DerPapst is more used to fdisk :-) |
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| 14:02:29 | Retro` | i need e200tool to mount the flash |
| 14:02:47 | Retro` | then /media/disk-1 is mounted |
| 14:03:02 | Retro` | it's 15.3 MB in size |
| 14:03:17 | Retro` | this is where the bootloader resides and the firmware |
| 14:03:47 | GodEater | then copy a .mi4 file there as you're supposed to |
| 14:03:51 | BigBambi | So the partition is there? |
| 14:04:02 | Retro` | yes |
| 14:04:13 | Retro` | when the /media/disk-1 is mounted |
| 14:04:25 | Retro` | but only one partition |
| 14:04:35 | BigBambi | I thought you said you had deleted the partition table? |
| 14:04:38 | * | BigBambi is confused |
| 14:04:46 | Retro` | the 4 GB partition (where music should be) is not present |
| 14:04:47 | BigBambi | Ah OK |
| 14:05:12 | markun | Retro`: which tool did you use to delete the partition? |
| 14:05:20 | Retro` | the e200tool just helps me to mount the 16 MB of the flash |
| 14:05:22 | BigBambi | markun: gparted |
| 14:05:31 | Retro` | markun, i did that with gparted |
| 14:05:35 | Retro` | yeah |
| 14:05:52 | markun | and can't you just create a partition again? |
| 14:05:57 | Retro` | i can't |
| 14:06:02 | Retro` | that's the rub |
| 14:06:05 | markun | why not? |
| 14:06:11 | Retro` | i am not able to |
| 14:06:26 | Retro` | or don't know how |
| 14:06:29 | GodEater | he can't because (aiui), e200tool isn't exposing the flash memory directly |
| 14:06:31 | Retro` | please tell me if you know |
| 14:06:47 | GodEater | he needs to recover the boot rom |
| 14:06:55 | Retro` | yeah |
| 14:07:01 | GodEater | well do it then |
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| 14:07:09 | GodEater | the page you've linked us to tells you how |
| 14:07:13 | Retro` | yeah |
| 14:07:16 | Retro` | i know |
| 14:07:17 | Retro` | but |
| 14:07:27 | soap | <Buschel> hmm, strange... soap got about 16h with his 5G ???? |
| 14:07:35 | rasher | Retro`: I think you can put a file named "format.txt" on the 16mb partition, and it'll reformat your player with the correct partitions. |
| 14:07:40 | rasher | or format.sys, or something |
| 14:07:45 | rasher | Search around for it.. |
| 14:08:12 | GodEater | format.txt is the right name I believe |
| 14:08:22 | rasher | won't that work? |
| 14:08:23 | GodEater | but that only works with a previously working sansa |
| 14:08:25 | Retro` | as i googled, it was sansa.fmt |
| 14:08:32 | DerPapst | lunch :-) |
| 14:08:34 | Retro` | but no... didn't work guys |
| 14:08:47 | rasher | odd |
| 14:08:58 | Retro` | yeah |
| 14:09:04 | GodEater | Retro`: why haven't you done the rest of the procedure on that page then ? |
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| 14:09:18 | Retro` | GodEater, i have |
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| 14:09:20 | GodEater | it seems to me you're just wasting time here - when you already have the instructions you need |
| 14:09:52 | Buschel | soap: wasn't this your result? |
| 14:10:36 | Retro` | please let me type in here what error i get when i want to restart the player |
| 14:10:53 | Retro` | after the .mi4 and .rom files are in the flash drive |
| 14:11:53 | soap | Buschel, it was - isn't that right in line with what you got? |
| 14:12:30 | soap | (I'll fill in the wiki today - need to dig out my password) |
| 14:12:39 | Buschel | yes, similar. i've got +12% you've got +16%... but you tested without hold. hopefully this doesn't make the difference |
| 14:13:19 | Retro` | it's interesting that the .rom file is for e250 |
| 14:13:26 | Retro` | i, however, have e260 |
| 14:13:41 | Retro` | can you please find .rom file that is for e260? |
| 14:13:51 | Retro` | i am googling 3 hours now and no luck |
| 14:13:55 | Retro` | please assist me |
| 14:15:26 | soap | did you see your player die, Buschel? Or are you simply going off the Batery Bench? |
| 14:16:06 | Buschel | i did see it die right withe the last HDD-access |
| 14:16:13 | Buschel | *wth |
| 14:16:19 | Buschel | ahem, *with* |
| 14:16:43 | soap | I ask because only about 50% of the time do I −−−−−−ahh just making sure - only about 50% of the time does battey bench seem to record the last records properly on my HDD players. |
| 14:17:44 | Buschel | maybe stripwax has the same issue? maybe connected to number of lines recorded? |
| 14:17:50 | GodEater | Retro`: You *still* haven't told us what happens when you try with the .rom file from that page |
| 14:17:59 | Retro` | oh |
| 14:18:02 | Retro` | sorry |
| 14:18:17 | Retro` | i am in recovery mode now |
| 14:18:18 | soap | using your battery bench as an example - the last disk write wrote 24 minutes. |
| 14:18:59 | soap | 22 |
| 14:19:05 | Buschel | yep, the folder i use needs hdd access each ~20 mins |
| 14:19:47 | GodEater | Retro`: yes - you keep saying this. What happens when you copy the two files over as the page instructs you to ? |
| 14:20:08 | Retro` | i am now in the recovery mode and the /media/disk-1 just mounted |
| 14:20:24 | Retro` | now i will transfer those files in and disconnect the player |
| 14:20:36 | GodEater | make sure you unmount it properly first |
| 14:20:40 | Retro` | then the bootloader would print out some error |
| 14:20:51 | Retro` | let me see here... |
| 14:21:28 | Retro` | omg |
| 14:21:55 | Retro` | the mi4 file on that site i follow instructions, is an american player file |
| 14:22:06 | Retro` | i have an european player |
| 14:22:09 | GodEater | so download one of the ones from daniel's site |
| 14:22:12 | GodEater | which I linked to earlier |
| 14:22:30 | Retro` | ok |
| 14:22:38 | Retro` | found your link up there ;) |
| 14:23:04 | GodEater | the e200 european one is the one you need |
| 14:23:17 | Retro` | it's probably best to use the bl rom in the daniels site as well |
| 14:23:30 | Retro` | not the one the instructions offer |
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| 14:23:31 | Retro` | ? |
| 14:23:39 | GodEater | ideally yes |
| 14:23:42 | Retro` | ok |
| 14:26:12 | Retro` | i don't know why does the note say Sansa e250 is now safe to remove. before i bricked it, it said Sansa e260 is now safe to remove. |
| 14:26:25 | Retro` | :/ |
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| 14:27:01 | GodEater | I don't believe it matters |
| 14:30:55 | Retro` | here's the error i get: Main image write failed |
| 14:31:31 | GodEater | then you're going to need to wait until a sansa owner is around |
| 14:31:54 | Retro` | what is the main image anyway? |
| 14:32:29 | Retro` | the bootloader image? |
| 14:32:31 | GodEater | no idea |
| 14:32:39 | GodEater | did you try putting a sansa.fmt file in there as well ? |
| 14:32:46 | GodEater | you could try that too |
| 14:32:53 | GodEater | to make sure the partitions get re-made correctly |
| 14:33:17 | Retro` | hmm |
| 14:33:19 | Retro` | i didn't |
| 14:33:23 | Retro` | i'll try that as well |
| 14:33:37 | Retro` | i'll report what happened |
| 14:37:40 | Retro` | GodEater, I DID IT! |
| 14:37:45 | Retro` | it totaly worked!!! |
| 14:38:03 | Retro` | it formated the device and now it's all okay |
| 14:38:11 | Retro` | thank you SO much for your tip |
| 14:38:30 | Retro` | it displayed 'Formatting...' |
| 14:38:52 | Retro` | then it loaded the bootloader successfully and also the firmware |
| 14:39:29 | DerPapst | w00t :-) |
| 14:39:33 | Retro` | now it works |
| 14:39:48 | Retro` | there's no music but it works! |
| 14:40:05 | Retro` | now i'll start loading the music in the player |
| 14:40:11 | Retro` | thank you so much guys |
| 14:40:13 | Retro` | all of you |
| 14:40:28 | Retro` | bye ;) |
| 14:43:30 | Retro` | omg |
| 14:43:34 | markun | what? |
| 14:43:39 | Retro` | i haven't yet fixed it completely :( |
| 14:43:59 | Retro` | i get the Database refresh fail |
| 14:44:11 | markun | maybe it needs at least 1 file |
| 14:44:28 | markun | (just a wild guess) |
| 14:44:41 | Retro` | when i have the player plugged in, there's no Sansa e260 folder |
| 14:45:09 | Retro` | just the same /media/disk-1 directory |
| 14:45:41 | Retro` | i don't have the 4 GB partition to load music in |
| 14:46:04 | Retro` | there's no capacity for that so the Database refresh fails, naturally |
| 14:46:37 | Retro` | i have unbricked it |
| 14:46:47 | Retro` | but i need the 4 GB bacl as well |
| 14:47:04 | Retro` | *back |
| 14:47:49 | Retro` | gparted lists my device under /dev/sda |
| 14:48:07 | Retro` | and i only have /dev/sda1 which is 16 MB |
| 14:48:28 | Retro` | there's no /dev/sda2 that would have 4 GB |
| 14:49:34 | Retro` | i only have the /dev/sda1 partition of the device |
| 14:49:51 | desowin | does OF load? |
| 14:50:01 | Retro` | you mean OS? |
| 14:50:07 | desowin | original firmware |
| 14:50:12 | Retro` | yeah, it does |
| 14:50:40 | desowin | and it's giving you such partitions? |
| 14:50:40 | desowin | or you're still in recovery mode? |
| 14:50:51 | Retro` | i'm not in recovery mode |
| 14:51:31 | Retro` | i'm in the firmware now |
| 14:52:59 | Retro` | i have connected the device to my computer but it is mounted as /media/disk-1 |
| 14:53:20 | Retro` | as /dev/sda1 that is |
| 14:53:37 | Retro` | as it should be /dev/sda2 |
| 14:54:07 | Retro` | but i don't have /dev/sda2 partition |
| 14:55:01 | Retro` | my computer does not recognize the 4 GB capacity of the player and does not create a /dev/sda2 partition when i plug the device in |
| 14:55:03 | Retro` | please help |
| 14:57:00 | desowin | I suggest you wait for someone with more knowledge than I have; I have sansa myself, but never experienced such wierd behaviour |
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| 14:58:24 | Axio | hi guys |
| 14:58:32 | Axio | is there a chrono in rockbox ? |
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| 15:00:39 | pixelma | a chrono? |
| 15:00:54 | Retro` | when i don't have the player linked with the computer and i look in the Settings > Info it says Memory 0 |
| 15:00:54 | Axio | chronometer |
| 15:01:30 | rasher | Retro`: try doing the sansa.fmt thing again, it sounds like your partitioning is still messed up |
| 15:01:41 | Retro` | yeah |
| 15:01:43 | Retro` | it is |
| 15:01:51 | Retro` | i'll try with the sansa.fmt again |
| 15:02:03 | rasher | Retro`: alternatively, what does fdisk -l /dev/sda say? (put it on pastebin) |
| 15:02:10 | pixelma | Axio: there is a "clock" plugin if your player has the necessary hardware and there's also a stopwatch plugin |
| 15:03:04 | Axio | pixelma, ty |
| 15:03:38 | pixelma | what player do you have? |
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| 15:04:52 | Axio | ipod nano |
| 15:04:59 | Retro` | i have SanDisk Sansa e260 |
| 15:06:43 | pixelma | Axio: you should find the clock plugin in plugin > applications then |
| 15:06:57 | pixelma | *plugins |
| 15:07:25 | Axio | yep i found it thanks |
| 15:08:20 | Retro` | rasher, here is the fdisk -l /dev/sda response: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50111/ |
| 15:08:45 | rasher | Fascinating! |
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| 15:09:35 | Retro` | what is fascinating? |
| 15:09:58 | hcs | yikes |
| 15:11:02 | BigBambi | blimey |
| 15:11:47 | Retro` | am i in need sh*t? |
| 15:11:53 | Retro` | need lol |
| 15:11:57 | Retro` | deep i ment |
| 15:11:59 | Retro` | :) |
| 15:12:08 | Retro` | am i in deep sh*t? |
| 15:12:30 | rasher | Well, the partitioning is quite dodgy. Did you try doing the sansa.fmt thing again? |
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| 15:12:54 | rasher | I wouldn't be too worried, it should be perfectly fixable |
| 15:13:57 | Retro` | rasher, yup just did the sansa.fmt again |
| 15:14:02 | Retro` | the same thing |
| 15:14:09 | Retro` | nothing was fixed by that |
| 15:15:55 | Retro` | when i connect the player, it is not recognised by my computer |
| 15:16:19 | Retro` | the /dev/sda1 does not show up |
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| 15:16:55 | Retro` | but if i go to the Recovery Mode, then the /dev/sda1 is shown (in gparted that is) |
| 15:17:52 | Retro` | hmmm, since i'm on Linux i must probably switch the USB Mode to MSC (it's MTP by default) |
| 15:17:55 | Retro` | let me try |
| 15:18:33 | Retro` | same thing |
| 15:18:36 | Retro` | :/ |
| 15:19:00 | rasher | Wait, you've had it as MTP for all this time? |
| 15:19:32 | Retro` | since i unbirck it yes |
| 15:19:49 | Retro` | since i unbricked it yes |
| 15:20:18 | Retro` | now i switched to MSC but still no Memory recognision |
| 15:20:38 | rasher | And which mode are you in? |
| 15:20:45 | Retro` | my player still claims (under Settings > Info that Memory is 0) |
| 15:20:59 | Retro` | i am in the MSC USB Mode right now |
| 15:21:19 | rasher | Actually, that fdisk output seems "normal" |
| 15:21:35 | Retro` | seems :/ |
| 15:22:00 | rasher | Well, mine is also "broken" according to fdisk |
| 15:22:34 | rasher | Wait, that fdisk output is the firmware partition showing |
| 15:22:45 | rasher | or firmware "disk" |
| 15:22:56 | rasher | Since it's not really a partition as such, afaik |
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| 15:25:34 | Retro` | maybe i need the i2c.bin file as well? |
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| 15:27:16 | Retro` | maybe i need these files when in the recovery mode (after the manufactoring mode was done): sansa.fmt, i2c.bin, BL_SD_BOARDSUPPORTSD.ROM, PP5022.MI4 |
| 15:27:17 | Retro` | ?? |
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| 15:27:33 | Retro` | and then diconnect |
| 15:27:37 | Retro` | ? |
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| 15:27:55 | Retro` | maybe i need the i2c.bin file as well |
| 15:28:02 | Retro` | what do you think? |
| 15:28:18 | desowin | MTP wouldn't even register as /dev/sdX, I think |
| 15:29:01 | Retro` | i don't know |
| 15:29:18 | rasher | Retro`: I think you should simply go into recovery mode, create sansa.fmt, disconnect and see what happens |
| 15:29:19 | Retro` | but i have the MSC USB mode now |
| 15:29:30 | Retro` | rasher, i did that |
| 15:29:37 | Retro` | rasher, i did that after you first suggested that |
| 15:29:45 | rasher | But that fdisk dump was not showing that |
| 15:29:59 | rasher | That was showing the recovery disk |
| 15:30:07 | rasher | Disk /dev/sda: 16 MB, 16777728 bytes |
| 15:31:03 | Retro` | maybe i ought to try with i2c.bin file present as i disconnect from recovery mode? |
| 15:32:06 | Retro` | remember the part when i had to put some files in the recovery disk? |
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| 15:32:17 | Retro` | well, maybe i need to put i2c.bin as well ?? |
| 15:34:28 | Retro` | please tell |
| 15:34:38 | Retro` | i don't want to brick my player even further |
| 15:37:03 | rasher | I don't know what i2c.bin does. |
| 15:39:41 | Retro` | me neither |
| 15:39:43 | Retro` | :/ |
| 15:39:51 | Retro` | do you care to google what it does? |
| 15:39:58 | Retro` | i can't find any useful info on it |
| 15:40:02 | Retro` | please assist me |
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| 15:47:27 | Retro` | where can i get the original Sansa bootloader and the original Sansa Firmware? |
| 15:47:38 | Retro` | please give me the link to those |
| 15:50:29 | Retro` | eh... |
| 15:50:31 | Retro` | bye |
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| 15:59:51 | imulator | hello together |
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| 16:08:11 | parafin | is there a tool to create database from PC? |
| 16:08:34 | BigBambi | There was |
| 16:08:43 | BigBambi | I'm not usre what state it is in |
| 16:08:49 | BigBambi | *sure |
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| 16:10:29 | imulator | hi |
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| 16:10:49 | rasher | BigBambi: Doesn't compile |
| 16:10:59 | BigBambi | There we go then :) |
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| 16:24:01 | imulator | i have a question |
| 16:24:15 | hcs | i have a dream |
| 16:24:19 | imulator | with wps creating and i cant find it in the manual |
| 16:24:20 | hcs | of one day answering your question |
| 16:24:36 | imulator | i want to make a battery symbol |
| 16:24:45 | imulator | how can i define it? |
| 16:25:05 | imulator | i cant understand how its made in the other wpps ;-) |
| 16:25:31 | imulator | oh |
| 16:25:34 | imulator | im silly |
| 16:25:38 | imulator | i found it |
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| 16:41:50 | parafin | pictureflow plugin displays all albums only? i can't filter them by artist? |
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| 16:45:28 | stripwax | Buschel/soap - right, the previous disk access, for me, wrote about 1 hrs worth of stats to battery_bench.txt . So potentially I've lost about 1 hour of stats, which is still not correct imo (1 hour == 45% battery?) |
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| 16:47:03 | stripwax | Although - maybe it is . I have a prior battery_bench and that last 45% depleted in 1hr 10 mins. So that would put my runtime at about 14hrs. Still seems low : 14 hrs with hold vs soap's 16hrs without hold? |
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| 16:47:43 | soap | Is your battery dying? |
| 16:47:53 | soap | Do you get consistant runtimes when doing repeated tests? |
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| 16:48:23 | soap | My runtimes are repeatable to within 8 minutes, which is why I report my runtimes @ 15 min resolution. |
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| 16:49:02 | stripwax | soap - since I don't actually know what my real runtime is, it's kinda hard to answer that question :) |
| 16:49:49 | stripwax | soap - did you use cleared default settings or something else? wondering how dircache etc affects battery life |
| 16:50:40 | soap | oh yea, totally cleared defaults |
| 16:50:41 | stripwax | Btw - my two prior battery_benches (without Buschel's patch) were consistent to within a few minutes, too |
| 16:51:25 | stripwax | soap - at what time did you record 45% battery level? |
| 16:52:28 | soap | 9:22 |
| 16:52:53 | stripwax | woah. I recorded 45% at 12:43 |
| 16:53:27 | soap | mine appears more linear than yours |
| 16:53:31 | stripwax | I'll plot my graphs and upload them somewhere. Maybe my battery is dying after all. |
| 16:53:44 | stripwax | My previous graphs were anything but linear |
| 16:55:29 | soap | I'm about to ask a stupid question, but how do I see what version of Rockbox I have installed w/o booting Rockbox? |
| 16:56:09 | soap | Other method to answer the question would be: "How do I know what SVN revision I currently have checked out?" |
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| 16:56:18 | stripwax | rockbox-info.txt |
| 16:56:21 | stripwax | in /.rockbox |
| 16:56:26 | soap | ty |
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| 16:57:19 | stripwax | svn info |
| 16:57:37 | XavierGr | stripwax: 128kbps files give a marginal error of +-30minutes in battery_bench IIRC |
| 16:57:58 | stripwax | XavierGr - ta |
| 16:58:52 | XavierGr | that's because the battery can be so low to play music but not spin up the disk, so the last measurements are lost |
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| 17:00:42 | Mardoxx | How come on almost all audio players the timer is never constant... it is always inconsistent between seconds? |
| 17:00:58 | stripwax | Which timer? |
| 17:02:07 | Mardoxx | track timer, the one that says time remaning etc... |
| 17:02:15 | Mardoxx | they're never consistant |
| 17:02:29 | Mardoxx | it will go 1 2...34.. 5 6 7..89 |
| 17:02:32 | Mardoxx | if you get what i mean |
| 17:03:36 | hannesd | Mardoxx: MP3 doesn't allow sample accurate seeking. I think that is the main problem. Software like Foobar2000 will brute force walk the mpeg stream just to support that. |
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| 17:04:08 | Mardoxx | ahhhhh |
| 17:04:10 | stripwax | Mardoxx - do you mean, just while playing a track, or while seeking? |
| 17:04:15 | Mardoxx | both |
| 17:04:47 | Mardoxx | but i can see now why its playing that its not consistant... because if it uses the data from the track it wont be in sync with "real" seconds |
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| 17:06:34 | jac0b | on kubuntu how do I replace the .rockbox folder |
| 17:06:53 | rvvs89 | jac0b: You are using Konqueror? |
| 17:07:02 | jac0b | dolphin |
| 17:07:11 | rvvs89 | Right, well use konqueror |
| 17:07:16 | rvvs89 | View->Show Hidden Files |
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| 17:07:24 | rvvs89 | I don't use dolphin |
| 17:07:39 | rvvs89 | Probably the same in dolphin though |
| 17:08:01 | soap | you know - I did use 32ohm phones this test compared to the 16 ohm phones I normally use. Is there any reason to believe this might affect runtime in a measurable manner? |
| 17:08:12 | Mardoxx | ls -x |
| 17:08:12 | jac0b | yeah dolphin is the default file manager for kubuntu |
| 17:08:29 | rvvs89 | jac0b: I know, I just don't use it |
| 17:08:32 | Mardoxx | or is it ls -f.... cant remember lol |
| 17:08:36 | quaal | not konqueror ? |
| 17:08:39 | rvvs89 | jac0b: And it's the same in dolphin |
| 17:08:57 | jac0b | yeah I just checked dolphin its the same |
| 17:09:00 | jac0b | thanks |
| 17:09:56 | Mardoxx | so yeah.... how's the progress with the Zen Vision:M getting on? |
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| 17:10:10 | Mardoxx | and how the hell did you manage to get the keys for the unknown block? |
| 17:12:29 | stripwax | soap possibly. i might try a retest with headphones unplugged |
| 17:13:00 | soap | that is the one variable I failed to control for in this test compared to prior tests. |
| 17:15:09 | quaal | hell yes i get bustamove on her enow |
| 17:15:13 | quaal | rockbox wins |
| 17:15:22 | quaal | how to make the font larger though its so small |
| 17:16:07 | stripwax | quall - find the display settings in the menu |
| 17:16:26 | stripwax | or pick a different theme that already has a large font |
| 17:16:30 | quaal | hmm |
| 17:16:33 | stripwax | quaal - did you install the fonts package? |
| 17:16:55 | quaal | i'm trying to use menu + select to exit bust a move like it says |
| 17:16:57 | quaal | but its not working |
| 17:17:02 | quaal | thats the top and bottom buttons right |
| 17:17:10 | stripwax | no |
| 17:17:12 | stripwax | top and middle |
| 17:17:36 | stripwax | quaal - actually, what brand/model device do you have? |
| 17:18:13 | quaal | oh yea top and middle |
| 17:18:14 | quaal | dur |
| 17:19:04 | quaal | ok found the font settings under theme settings |
| 17:20:11 | stripwax | soap - ok, so mine is nonlinear but just as nonlinear as it was before :) and it looks like I would decay that remainder in about 30-45 mins so pointing to about 14.5hrs max |
| 17:20:39 | soap | what did you use to plot yours? |
| 17:20:41 | stripwax | I'll now see if I can reproduce my prior runtime to confirm my battery isn't just on the way out |
| 17:20:46 | stripwax | soap - openoffice calc |
| 17:20:55 | quaal | whoa |
| 17:20:59 | quaal | i wish snap came in a larger size |
| 17:21:02 | quaal | i like that one |
| 17:21:11 | stripwax | quaal - it's an open codebase.. |
| 17:21:33 | quaal | hmm |
| 17:21:46 | quaal | i'm unfortunately codetarded |
| 17:21:53 | stripwax | soap - I can upload my calc file if you'd find it useful (if you have openoffice that is) |
| 17:21:53 | quaal | i wonder if its dumbed down |
| 17:22:13 | soap | stripwax, yesx2 |
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| 17:24:10 | stripwax | www.beermex.com/battery_bench.ods |
| 17:25:00 | stripwax | to get the data in I had to unfortunately copy+paste the important part to resave as csv and then load /that/ csv into calc and then paste it back in to graph it (gah) |
| 17:26:21 | quaal | stripwax, what would i even use to edit it |
| 17:26:30 | quaal | and do i edit snap.fnt ? |
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| 17:28:11 | quaal | uh yea apparently its in some kind of assembly |
| 17:28:23 | quaal | i just cat'd the snap.fnt and it totally donged my terminal |
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| 17:28:54 | stripwax | quaal - search the wiki for more information. for example: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxFontConvertor |
| 17:29:03 | stripwax | the font file is NOT assembly .. |
| 17:29:21 | quaal | hmm |
| 17:29:32 | quaal | how do you call this |
| 17:29:44 | quaal | oh nevermind its not pasting right |
| 17:30:15 | stripwax | quaal - more info here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreateFonts |
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| 17:34:09 | quaal | hmmm |
| 17:35:02 | stripwax | soap out of interest what audio format did you use? |
| 17:35:15 | soap | LAME APS |
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| 17:35:42 | soap | because I can run the comparable test on Apple firmware with that. |
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| 17:37:35 | nardul | Evening |
| 17:38:08 | nardul | Is there a way to prevent my ipod from going into the original firmware when the "hold" key is on? |
| 17:38:13 | soap | stripwax, my discharge is pretty linear |
| 17:38:15 | soap | http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotdq1.png |
| 17:38:18 | stripwax | soap - i'll try something similar. I have some previously-obtained mp3s (I don't really use them myself) and i'll bench the OF first though |
| 17:38:51 | stripwax | soap very interesting |
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| 17:41:19 | stripwax | soap - if I plot the absolute measurements I get something that looks like that too - hah. |
| 17:42:26 | stripwax | however, mine tails off rapidly below about 3800. Having said that, my peak is also higher - almost 4300 on a full charge |
| 17:45:07 | soap | yours looks even odder when you plot battery voltage instead of battery percentage |
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| 17:47:06 | stripwax | soap - it looks real similar to yours - except the very end tail on that run that ran out to 3% charge |
| 17:48:21 | stripwax | your plot doesn't have that tail - the rest looks almost identical to mine (except yours lasts longer .. :) |
| 17:48:59 | soap | yea - I clearly misspoke - having trouble with the scale. |
| 17:49:50 | stripwax | Ok, so I need to bench my OF next |
| 17:50:04 | XavierGr | the rapid discharge should come after the 3,7 volts mark |
| 17:50:19 | stripwax | XavierGr - in my case 3.8 volts |
| 17:50:48 | stripwax | My initial reading is 100mv higher than soap's, however |
| 17:50:57 | XavierGr | I think these batteries hold as much as they can unctil they reach that value, then they discharge pretty quickly |
| 17:51:24 | soap | 3.675 is where mine starts to fall fast. |
| 17:52:04 | soap | 3.7->3.675 = 48 mins. 3.675->3.5 = 12 mins |
| 17:52:56 | quaal | damn |
| 17:53:02 | quaal | why does charging take so godamn long |
| 17:54:37 | stripwax | soap - what reference volume would you use to compare OF battery to rockbox? |
| 17:55:07 | soap | haha |
| 17:55:30 | stripwax | I mean, I'm using something that's probably as loud as my usual rockbox listening, but is there a way to see what volume that actually is? (I've not used the OF) |
| 17:55:42 | stripwax | quaal - ? |
| 17:55:56 | quaal | hi |
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| 17:56:33 | soap | I played a test tone in both firmwares and used audacity to find a matching volume |
| 17:56:42 | stripwax | good call! |
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| 18:01:22 | soap | little overly anal perhaps |
| 18:01:29 | stripwax | not at all |
| 18:04:19 | stripwax | Now, I actually thought vorbis was more optimised (for rockbox arm, at least) than mp3. Will see what I get OF vs Rockbox on mp3 (I guess in about two day's time :) |
| 18:04:27 | soap | but my C app programing education is coming slowly (and C system programing education even slower) so I figured least I can do is be the best benchmarker possible! ;) |
| 18:04:38 | stripwax | heh |
| 18:05:17 | stripwax | Nico_P - hey, happy xmas! Did you get a chance to look at the sliding_puzzle patch yet? :) |
| 18:05:33 | soap | I have my test album encoded in LAME APS and OGG -Q 6.99 - which matches _total_ average bitrate within 1% |
| 18:05:55 | soap | individual tracks vary, I didn't get anal enough to match track ABRs |
| 18:06:14 | Nico_P | stripwax: thanks! sorry, no. I just took a quick look at viewports but that's all I've had time to do for some time |
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| 18:10:00 | stripwax | soap - ah, and how does your Lame runtime compare to Ogg ? |
| 18:11:34 | amiconn | stripwax: mp3 *used* to be less optimised than vorbis on arm, before tomal's patch went in |
| 18:11:37 | soap | haven't compared them in 16 months |
| 18:11:42 | stripwax | Oh - I guess the OGG Q 6.99 results are yours :) so LAME APS is actually fractionally more efficient than Vorbis |
| 18:11:44 | stripwax | right |
| 18:12:12 | soap | 5% or less difference then. |
| 18:13:23 | soap | I say "or less" - because while the 100-0 runtime varied by 5%, the 90-10 runtime varied by 1% (which is why I started tracking 90-10 times - I don't understand why the difference) |
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| 18:14:44 | stripwax | BTW - when you say 'no WPS', have you set the WPS to a blank screen specifically, or just using the default (including peak meters) |
| 18:15:00 | soap | I start playback then go to the main menu. |
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| 18:15:32 | stripwax | ah |
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| 18:16:38 | soap | I do the same in Apple firmware - I know it does not make the most realistic runtimes, but WPS complexity seems like too large of a variable. |
| 18:16:47 | stripwax | there is (or was?) a bug where, in some list viewers (file view?), playback couldn't go to the next track (it would just crash), so I avoided doing that. Didn't try main menu though, nice idea. I had peak meters, could be the main difference between yours and mine |
| 18:17:27 | soap | very well could be. |
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| 18:18:00 | soap | I should do a full set of tests to migrate over from my current system to a more realistic system. |
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| 18:18:12 | stripwax | I'll do the same (as you) on the Apple firmware then. Otherwise I won't know if my battery is actually degraded |
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| 18:19:24 | soap | I have been (pleasantly) surprised by how little my battery has degraded over time, and how it is /still/ lasting longer than Apple initially claimed. |
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| 18:20:54 | soap | 7% capacity loss over a year and a half of heavy use is amazing, IMHO. |
| 18:24:51 | stripwax | soap - ok, when I set the OF playing and then bring up the menu (and leave it alone), after a minute or so it goes back to the Apple wps-equivalent screen. what trick am I missing? |
| 18:25:18 | soap | oops - does it? |
| 18:25:27 | soap | lol - I've never looked that long. |
| 18:25:30 | stripwax | yep, unless we have different OF versions too :) |
| 18:25:35 | soap | Hole #1 in my methodology. |
| 18:25:38 | stripwax | ha! |
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| 18:25:45 | soap | I gotta go. |
| 18:25:49 | Mardoxx | cool! |
| 18:25:51 | stripwax | see ya |
| 18:25:56 | parafin | can i control wheel scroll speed in ipod 5.5g? it's too sensitive for me |
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| 18:38:18 | Anarchitect | hullo |
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| 18:40:28 | Anarchitect | is there any kind of last.fm support via rockbox? |
| 18:40:36 | parafin | why haven't patches #5855 and #4840 commited? it's been really a while and they work fine. |
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| 18:40:58 | alienbiker99 | Anarchitect its in the system menu i think |
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| 18:41:07 | Anarchitect | holy cow, there is :o |
| 18:41:24 | Anarchitect | thanks, I'll check it out. I was hesitant to finalize my upgrading to rockbox, but I'll check it out |
| 18:41:25 | Anarchitect | thanks |
| 18:41:39 | krazykit | Anarchitect, check the wiki to find out how to submit the .scrobbler.log |
| 18:42:00 | Anarchitect | thanks- I tried searching for last.fm |
| 18:42:07 | Anarchitect | now it's there |
| 18:42:10 | Anarchitect | but anyway, cheers :D |
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| 18:45:41 | krazykit | Anarchitect, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LastFMLog |
| 18:45:49 | Anarchitect | yup, thanks a bunch |
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| 18:46:13 | Anarchitect | I'm pretty psyched about getting rockbox working, should be awesome |
| 18:46:19 | Mardoxx | /r/ update on zen vision m? |
| 18:47:23 | krazykit | Mardoxx, please use real words, and check the New Ports forum |
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| 18:47:57 | Mardoxx | /r/ is the *chan image board for requests >_< |
| 18:48:24 | krazykit | please read the guidelines. they require you to use real words, not internet-speak. |
| 18:48:28 | Anarchitect | well not everybody here runs around saying 'moar' and 'sauce' and more offensive words |
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| 19:00:44 | Buschel | parafin: too sensible before acceleration starts? |
| 19:01:29 | parafin | yes |
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| 19:01:44 | Buschel | can you build your own software? |
| 19:02:31 | parafin | i can change it in source, but i rather want some patch to make it configurable |
| 19:02:40 | Buschel | if so, enlarge WHEEL_SENSITIVITY in button-wheelclick.c |
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| 19:04:08 | parafin | ok, thanx for the tip |
| 19:04:12 | Buschel | parafin: right now 5G will use 96/4 = 24 itemscrolls per rotation, for nano 96/6 = 16 is used |
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| 19:05:18 | parafin | it's most annoying in text viewer, because i scroll two pages instead of one very often |
| 19:06:09 | parafin | and it's hard to scroll back on right page, text viewer is somewhat slow |
| 19:06:21 | Anon-E-Moose | I'm quite new to the rockbox scene and I was wondering whom I could report the bugs I found |
| 19:06:41 | Anon-E-Moose | to whom* |
| 19:07:16 | Anon-E-Moose | parafin - I had a Creative Zen Micro that did that, I know it's not even close to the same thing but I feel your pain. |
| 19:08:28 | krazykit | Anon-E-Moose, there's the bug tracker, of course. i think the IRC guidelines have some information on how to properly make sure it's a reproducable bug |
| 19:09:03 | Anon-E-Moose | krazykit - Thanks. I'm going to get lunch, family's leaving without me. I'll be back in a bit |
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| 19:14:17 | Mardoxx | [17:48:29] <Anarchitect> well not everybody here runs around saying 'moar' and 'sauce' and more offensive words |
| 19:14:18 | Mardoxx | I do |
| 19:14:20 | Mardoxx | lawl |
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| 19:51:43 | MichaelDA | Hello all. The Rockbox Wiki page said to join this channel, introduce myself and request write permissions. I have some codec timing info and FM presets to contribute. |
| 19:57:25 | Anarchitect | is it normal that my ipod says "commiting database x/9" for the first few minutes after I boot it up? |
| 19:57:28 | bertrik | Hi MichaelDA, I could add you to the wiki users with change permission although I'm not a core developer. The core developers may just not be reading this channel right now. |
| 19:57:45 | karashata | Anarchitect, it does that when it's made database updates |
| 19:57:59 | Anarchitect | oh ok |
| 19:58:22 | stripwax | Anarchitect - that will happen if you have Automatic database updates enabled *and* you've added new music to your ipod, or whenever you (manually) update the database |
| 19:58:25 | krazykit | bertrik, you don't need to be a core dev. just wiki write access. |
| 19:58:29 | krazykit | MichaelDA, what is your wikiname? |
| 19:58:44 | bertrik | ok, but even I could, I don't know if I should |
| 19:59:11 | Anarchitect | I just initialized my database, so it figures |
| 19:59:15 | Anarchitect | anyway, my last question: |
| 19:59:23 | Anarchitect | for now |
| 19:59:28 | MichaelDA | Krazykit: I'm MichaelAndrew |
| 19:59:35 | Anarchitect | is there anyway I can make rockbox ignore the "the" in front of many artistnames? |
| 19:59:47 | karashata | there is at least one patch on the tracker |
| 19:59:50 | Anarchitect | e.g. "the Flaming Lips", I'd rather see them at F than at The |
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| 20:00:27 | karashata | I'm not sure what tracker number, but if you search for "ignore "the"" in the tracker search you should find it |
| 20:00:52 | bertrik | krazykit: are you adding him, or should I do it? |
| 20:01:12 | stripwax | karashata/Anarchitect - you might want to read this for more info http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14521.msg108754 |
| 20:01:22 | krazykit | bertrik, i got it |
| 20:02:09 | Anarchitect | allight, thankyou |
| 20:02:16 | krazykit | MichaelDA, there you are. make sure to check out the formatting help for twiki if you're having trouble :) |
| 20:02:23 | stripwax | the "use sort tags" patch would do this nicely but hasn't been completed yet |
| 20:03:15 | stripwax | I wonder if there's a way to do this in a 'free' kind of way using the tagnavi config, however |
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| 20:03:58 | MichaelDA | krazykit: Thanks much. |
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| 20:45:52 | Nico_P | linuxstb: hi! nice job on viewports :) |
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| 20:49:51 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Thanks. I struggled a bit with the wps parser, but I got there in the end... |
| 20:50:25 | Nico_P | yeah, quite a lot of changes... I went through quickly |
| 20:51:10 | linuxstb | amiconn: I just test-compiled with only the firmware/ part of my viewports patch (i.e. not the wps changes), and it's 952 bytes for the ipod color. |
| 20:51:28 | Nico_P | linuxstb: is there anything preventing the vp size from being dynamic? |
| 20:52:11 | Nico_P | how much is it with apps/ too? |
| 20:54:26 | linuxstb | The apps/ was another 1KB or so, I haven't checked the current version. |
| 20:54:33 | Nico_P | ok |
| 20:55:15 | linuxstb | The way I've implemented viewports in the wps, they can't be made dynamic (the tags are just read once, and not stored), but I guess they could be... |
| 20:55:55 | Nico_P | but in other code, they could be resized without a problem, couldn't they? |
| 20:58:15 | Nico_P | hmm nevermind I should go |
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| 20:59:29 | quaal | uh |
| 20:59:42 | quaal | how long does it take for rockbox to make the charge go up |
| 20:59:52 | quaal | the ipod video was connected and charging for hours |
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| 21:00:01 | quaal | just disconnected and now it says 27% |
| 21:00:03 | quaal | keeps going up |
| 21:00:06 | quaal | 1% at a time |
| 21:01:16 | linuxstb | Nico_P: (for the logs now...) Viewports can't really be resized dynamically because of the scrolling lines - I think you would need to stop the scrolling lines, change the viewports position/size and then draw the scrolling lines again. |
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| 21:03:08 | Anon-E-Moose | quaal - I noticed that it uses a lot of energy |
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| 21:03:19 | quaal | Anon-E-Moose, what. rockbox in general? |
| 21:03:24 | Anon-E-Moose | Yeah |
| 21:03:33 | quaal | hmm |
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| 21:03:43 | Anon-E-Moose | My iPod colour is freaking out now |
| 21:03:51 | quaal | this whole counting up thing to get the final charge is kinda annoying |
| 21:03:54 | Anon-E-Moose | The hdd spins extremely hard trying to do the simplist thing |
| 21:04:01 | quaal | it must be using some kind of processing to figure it out |
| 21:04:12 | Anon-E-Moose | Are you using a dock or just plugging into the computer? |
| 21:04:20 | quaal | all i have is the usb cable |
| 21:04:21 | fughidabowit | hey all - I just loaded the latest build on my 4th Gen Gray IPod and it is no longer getting past the "Rockbox loaded" bootloader |
| 21:04:29 | fughidabowit | I cannot even load the Apple OS |
| 21:04:32 | Anon-E-Moose | Have you had problems with it before, charging? |
| 21:04:59 | fughidabowit | its just stuck on the bootloader screen and won't continue |
| 21:05:02 | Anon-E-Moose | fughidabowit - Center, menu. Hold, restarts |
| 21:05:07 | quaal | Anon-E-Moose, nope when it had apple firmware i just plug it in for a while and unplug |
| 21:05:11 | quaal | and it told me it was fully charged |
| 21:05:13 | Anon-E-Moose | hold it, not set the hold switch :| |
| 21:05:28 | fughidabowit | Yeah I can restart it that way as many times as I want - but it still gets stuck at the same place |
| 21:05:31 | Anon-E-Moose | quaal - How old is it? |
| 21:05:40 | quaal | looks like its stopped at 37% |
| 21:05:41 | quaal | weak. |
| 21:05:44 | Anon-E-Moose | fughidabowit - Then I'd say it's not going to work :\ |
| 21:05:54 | quaal | Anon-E-Moose, 1.5yrs |
| 21:06:00 | Anon-E-Moose | Possibly a bug with your iPod, possibly a bug in the code |
| 21:06:03 | quaal | oh, 38 now |
| 21:06:11 | Anon-E-Moose | quaal - They _do_ lose charge, you know... |
| 21:06:26 | quaal | Anon-E-Moose, uhhh |
| 21:06:33 | Anarchitect | but that would be a pretty instant chargeloss, I reckon |
| 21:06:34 | quaal | losing != gaining |
| 21:06:34 | Anon-E-Moose | That's probably a decent factor, since the algorithms changed |
| 21:06:35 | fughidabowit | Moose: Is there any way to get it into 'usb mode' so that I can clean up this ipod? (I have been using rockbox on this for a while now) |
| 21:06:41 | quaal | its going UP |
| 21:06:42 | quaal | now DOWN |
| 21:07:06 | Anon-E-Moose | fughidabowit - Plug into the computer, load iTunes, hit the 'oh shi-' button |
| 21:07:17 | Anon-E-Moose | Also known as 'reload iPod software' |
| 21:07:29 | fughidabowit | moose: Even if it doesn't detect that the device has been plugged in? |
| 21:07:41 | pixelma | fughidabowit: menu+select to restart and the select+play as soon as it restarts - should get you in disk mode manually |
| 21:07:44 | Anon-E-Moose | Whatdya mean doesn't detect? |
| 21:07:47 | fughidabowit | ok |
| 21:07:56 | fughidabowit | that's what i wanted (disk mode) :) |
| 21:07:58 | Anon-E-Moose | As long as it shows up under 'my computer' |
| 21:08:18 | Anon-E-Moose | quaal - I think your iPod needs a dose of hammer. |
| 21:08:35 | Anon-E-Moose | Apply directly to screen, twice daily for a week. |
| 21:08:46 | Anon-E-Moose | Should clear it right up |
| 21:08:49 | fughidabowit | yay thanks Pixelma & Moose :) I can see my ipod now |
| 21:08:50 | stripwax | ipods charge better and faster in the apple firmware, not rockbox |
| 21:08:52 | pixelma | fughidabowit: do you know how old your bootloader is? |
| 21:08:56 | stripwax | don't use a hammer |
| 21:08:58 | fughidabowit | pixelma: VERY old :-D |
| 21:09:19 | fughidabowit | pixelma: I wasn't aware a new bootloader was out...so i broke my ipod heh |
| 21:09:40 | pixelma | fughidabowit: that could be the root of the problem then |
| 21:10:24 | fughidabowit | pixelma: yep - is there an easy way of updating the bootloader? (I could just RTM but since you guys are so helpful...) |
| 21:10:48 | Anon-E-Moose | Can't you just run the updater? |
| 21:11:09 | fughidabowit | lol there's an updater? |
| 21:11:10 | stripwax | quaal - try charging after booting into the original firmware (then reboot to rockbox after it's charged). Rockbox (currently) doesn't charge very well *while* rockbox is running |
| 21:11:20 | Anon-E-Moose | As in, go to the site and getting it again, but latest.. |
| 21:11:36 | Anon-E-Moose | It seems like the simplist solution, so it's probably not the best... |
| 21:11:37 | fughidabowit | yeah well I have the latest .rockbox - but my bootloader is *old* |
| 21:11:49 | stripwax | fughidabowit - can you run rbutil to update the bootloader? |
| 21:12:00 | linuxstb | Or just ipodpatcher... |
| 21:12:09 | pixelma | it should be easier to install a new one, you'll find instructions in the manual (almost the same as the first install so you'll find it in the installation chapter) |
| 21:12:15 | quaal | stripwax, ughh |
| 21:12:23 | fughidabowit | yeah I'll try to find that rbutil file |
| 21:13:16 | quaal | where do i set the time |
| 21:13:23 | stripwax | huh? |
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| 21:14:52 | fughidabowit | is the "Smart installation" the one I want to update it? |
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| 21:17:03 | stripwax | just click on the install bootloader button if you just want to install the bootloader.. |
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| 21:17:16 | stripwax | next tab |
| 21:18:10 | fughidabowit | sweet |
| 21:18:15 | fughidabowit | everything works again! |
| 21:18:24 | fughidabowit | and wow....it seems faster than before |
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| 21:48:37 | Alonea | I didn't see anything anywhere on viewing bmps. I see the jpeg viewer, but nothing to view bmps. |
| 21:50:49 | bertrik | AFAIK there is no bmp viewer, but I think you can open a bmp in rockpaint |
| 21:51:17 | Alonea | bertrik: tried. didn't work. |
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| 21:51:48 | Alonea | bertrik: says its incompatible |
| 21:52:30 | Alonea | bertrik: odd how I can view a bmp as my backdrop or album art, but not just as a picture. |
| 21:52:58 | bertrik | hmmm, incompatible, opening in rockpaint works fine here |
| 21:53:35 | bertrik | i do it by selecting the file in the file browser, then long select to open the context menu and then open with... rockpaint |
| 21:53:46 | linuxstb | I think Rockpaint is limited to bmps the size of the screen. Maybe there are other limitations as well though... |
| 21:54:00 | Alonea | bertrik: the pic is the size of the screen. exactly. |
| 21:54:39 | Alonea | bertrik: and 100 by 100 album art doesn't work either. |
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| 21:56:10 | bertrik | oh, I never tried big bmp's, 100x100 album art worked fine for me last time I tried |
| 21:56:43 | bertrik | I'm using the plain&simple theme now, with bigger AA of 158x158 |
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| 21:57:47 | Alonea | linuxstb: guessing there are other limitations cause I can't get it to load small bmps either. I just find it odd how there is a jpeg viewer, but no bmp one when you would think that would be a whole lot easier. bah. |
| 21:57:52 | linuxstb | Alonoea: Looking at the code, rockpaint seems to use the same bmp reading function as the backdrop code uses. So if a bmp works in one, it should work in the other. |
| 21:58:31 | linuxstb | What is the exact error message you see? Are you sure it's not talking about the rockpaint plugin itself being incompatible? |
| 21:58:32 | Alonea | linuxstb: theoretically, but its not here. I can't load a picture that I am using for a backdrop. |
| 21:59:04 | Alonea | linuxstb: lemme see |
| 21:59:29 | Alonea | linuxstb: ah. its saying rockpaint is...odd. I pressed select earlier when it wanted to reboot. |
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| 22:01:32 | Anon-E-Moose | Hm. I plugged my ipod colour into the dock and it just displays the menus and such, does that mean that it's charging? |
| 22:01:48 | * | Anon-E-Moose is used to it just showing the apple logo and being innaccesable for the most part |
| 22:02:23 | Alonea | linuxstb: actually, now that I think of it, when the screen asks to reboot and you press select, I have never actually seen it reboot. |
| 22:02:34 | linuxstb | Are you on a gigabeat? |
| 22:02:38 | Alonea | linuxstb: yes |
| 22:03:29 | linuxstb | Then yes, "rolo" isn't implemented on the gigabeat - the feature that lets Rockbox start running another version of itself (it doesn't reboot). So that never works. |
| 22:03:59 | Alonea | linuxstb: ah. well, it might be helpful if the screen said that then. ^_^_ |
| 22:04:32 | linuxstb | scorche: I'm wondering (assuming viewports get committed in the very near future), whether there's still a need for "unsupported builds" section on rockbox-themes.org. The only patch I can think of which won't be included will be multi-fonts. |
| 22:04:45 | linuxstb | Alonea: It would be more helpful if someone implemented that feature... |
| 22:05:00 | Alonea | linuxstb: indeed. |
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| 22:07:06 | scorche | linuxstb: mind if i get back to that in a bit?...in an OLPC conference call |
| 22:07:32 | linuxstb | scorche: Sure, logbot is always here, even if I'm not... |
| 22:08:34 | Alonea | linuxstb: is there an easy way to code bmps to open in rockpaint when you select them? |
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| 22:10:51 | linuxstb | What happens now when you select a bmp? |
| 22:11:08 | Alonea | nothing at all |
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| 22:11:50 | linuxstb | That's odd - looking at viewers.config, rockpaint is configured as a viewer for bmp files. So I'm not sure what's preventing it. |
| 22:12:22 | stripwax | what is the question exactly? rockpaint opens bitmaps when selected from open with (or, at least, used to .. ) |
| 22:12:40 | Alonea | linuxstb: me neither. |
| 22:12:58 | Alonea | stripwax: you should be able to just select a bmp and it will load rockpaint |
| 22:13:33 | Alonea | stripwax: instead of having to do open with all the time. |
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| 22:13:50 | * | linuxstb wonders why ".bmp" has VOICE_EXT_WPS in filetypes.h |
| 22:14:38 | Alonea | linuxstb: though, it would be nicer if the jpeg viewer did both types so like in a slideshow you could have jpeg or bmp. |
| 22:15:05 | linuxstb | Sure, a unified image viewer has often been requested, but never written.... |
| 22:16:05 | Alonea | linuxstb: I would write if I had a clue. though gimmie a few months and I might have one. I am going to take a class on C and then maybe I might be able to. |
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| 22:18:01 | Alonea | linuxstb: then again, I might just get bored today and frustrate myself for a few hours. |
| 22:19:29 | linuxstb | Writing a bmp viewer would be (relatively) trivial if you limit yourself to bitmaps the size of the LCD. |
| 22:21:05 | Alonea | linuxstb: yeah. but I will make it difficult on myself. bad me...java has made me lazy. |
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| 22:21:29 | linuxstb | Can anyone (pixelma, rasher?) explain how the VOICE_EXT_* strings are used? I'm confused why (for example), ".mpa" is voiced as "audio". |
| 22:21:41 | soap | help.me.spam.me@gmail.com's username really freaks up the column widths in every forum he posts in. |
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| 22:22:18 | linuxstb | soap: I agree, that's been annoying me since he/she appeared... |
| 22:24:10 | Alonea | will brb |
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| 22:45:54 | soap | How about a New-Year's-Holiday forum cleanup? |
| 22:46:44 | | Quit advcomp2019_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 22:46:54 | soap | Everybody with the ability do a quick "Advanced Search" for topics containing "MOVED:" started by themselves. |
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| 22:47:19 | soap | And aged more than 14(?) days old. Then go through and delete them all. |
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| 22:48:04 | linuxstb | soap: Sounds like fun ;) |
| 22:49:17 | soap | oh, PS: Uncheck the "To Be Deleted" board. (or not) |
| 22:50:06 | linuxstb | Hmm, so no way to mass-delete, we'll need to go into each thread? |
| 22:50:37 | soap | I don't have any such powers (mass delete) - I've been opening each page of search hits into a dozen tabs. |
| 22:52:16 | soap | and Llorean's going to kill me. |
| 22:52:37 | soap | I slipped and moved 21 threads into "Administration / Forum business" by mistake. |
| 22:54:00 | soap | nevermind - I do have the power to move from that board, I assumed I didn't. |
| 22:54:44 | scorche | i think experts are inline with developers now |
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| 22:57:26 | RogerBacon | weird |
| 22:57:54 | RogerBacon | my ipod refuse to boot |
| 22:58:04 | RogerBacon | i let it uncharged for 2-3 day ... |
| 22:58:10 | RogerBacon | battery dead ? |
| 22:59:19 | soap | most likely. Did you try the "proper" hard reset trick? Said trick being: 1-Toggle the hold switch to the on (red) and back to the off (white) position. |
| 22:59:45 | soap | 2 - Press and hold "Menu"+"Select" for 60 seconds with no finger movement. |
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| 23:00:21 | soap | 3 - if the iPod doesn't respond, plug into charge (preferably a wall or cigarette lighter charger) for 12 hours, then goto step 1. |
| 23:01:17 | soap | (The "Menu"+"Select" combo is for the 5th gen and Nano - and perhaps the 4th(?) older iPods use a different button combo.) |
| 23:01:25 | Anarchitect | I'm off |
| 23:01:26 | Anarchitect | tata |
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| 23:03:54 | amiconn | soap: Menu+Select is valid for all PP502x ipods |
| 23:04:48 | amiconn | G1..G3 have hard reset on Menu+Play |
| 23:05:21 | soap | Which I believe is an impossible combination on the later iPods, as well. |
| 23:05:40 | amiconn | yes, that's obviously why apple had to change it |
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| 23:06:18 | amiconn | Same goes for the edm combo: G1..G3 have it on Left+Right, later ipods on Select+Play |
| 23:07:20 | RogerBacon | soap : tryed but didn't do anything, will plug it in the wall charger |
| 23:07:22 | RogerBacon | thanks for the info |
| 23:07:36 | salty-horse | when trying to play audio on the sansa, I get an error: "Undefined instruction at <address>". is that a known problem with the trunk? |
| 23:08:14 | linuxstb | Are you running a very old bootloader? |
| 23:08:40 | * | Alonea hugs person who fixed bookmarks for text viewer |
| 23:09:21 | salty-horse | linuxstb, I think not. last time I upgraded was a month ago |
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| 23:10:21 | salty-horse | and the error only occurs on the player. plugins work fine |
| 23:10:39 | soap | linuxstb, what sort of viewport testing do you want to see? You had mentioned WPS writing - just try to abuse it and see if it breaks? Or are you looking for something else? |
| 23:10:41 | salty-horse | should I try reinstalling the bootloader? |
| 23:10:54 | RogerBacon | the backlight flash for about 1sec and turn off |
| 23:12:19 | linuxstb | soap: Yes, I guess just experimenting with the WPS. |
| 23:14:05 | RogerBacon | any news concerning the ipod classics ? |
| 23:14:53 | scorche | nope |
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| 23:16:48 | BigBambi | soap: Good idea on the clean up - I'll have a shufti |
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| 23:17:39 | MrKeuner | hi, will I be more impressed with rockbox on a sansa than on an ipod nano 2nd gen.? |
| 23:17:47 | linuxstb | salty-horse: It can't hurt. Also try checking your disk for errors (with chkdsk or similar). |
| 23:18:03 | linuxstb | Definitely, as Rockbox doesn't work on the nano 2nd gen... |
| 23:18:31 | linuxstb | But it also doesn't work on the very latest Sansas - you need to make sure you buy a "version 1" e200/c200. |
| 23:18:49 | MrKeuner | not an e250? |
| 23:19:09 | linuxstb | e250 version1, yes. e250 v2, no. |
| 23:19:33 | salty-horse | linuxstb, can you help me with a name of a similar linux tool |
| 23:19:44 | linuxstb | fsck.vfat |
| 23:19:59 | Alonea | MrKeuner: go on your sansa under info and what is the version of the firmware? |
| 23:20:02 | MrKeuner | I had installed rockbox on some version of ipod nano and was not impressed with the battery time, other than that I had liked it. Will I like sansa on e250 version 1? |
| 23:20:27 | BigBambi | Sansa (kn common with all portalplayer device) is a little down on battery time |
| 23:20:37 | Alonea | MrKeuner: if it says 1. something then its one, 3. something, then its two if I remember correctly. |
| 23:20:40 | Llorean | scorche: I think experts actually have slightly more power than developers, actually. Mostly because "Developers" don't need to be concerned (read: spammed) with reported posts and a few other things, so I think I've disabled that. |
| 23:20:53 | Llorean | Any Developers can also be in the "Experts" group, if they want |
| 23:20:56 | * | Llorean isn't here, again. |
| 23:21:20 | MrKeuner | Alonea: version: 01.02.18A |
| 23:21:28 | scorche | Llorean: oh?...i am not sure if i am in both (i have both badges), but i got the BigBambi is cruel report |
| 23:21:40 | Alonea | MrKeuner: then you are good to go. |
| 23:21:42 | BigBambi | It's true |
| 23:21:48 | BigBambi | I am cruel |
| 23:22:02 | * | BigBambi heads off to do various evil deeds |
| 23:22:05 | linuxstb | Are you cruel to be kind, or just plain cruel? |
| 23:22:11 | Alonea | MrKeuner: my dad got a sansa for christmas and he loves rockbox a whole lot more than the OF |
| 23:22:19 | scorche | linuxstb: in the right measure |
| 23:22:20 | MrKeuner | can I reset the sansa hardware at any time. (remove rockbox software and revert to sansa software)? |
| 23:22:30 | MrKeuner | Alonea: I am setting this up for my father as well :) |
| 23:22:31 | BigBambi | linuxstb: Which would you prefer? |
| 23:22:47 | Alonea | MrKeuner: yes. you hold down the left key on startup. I had to set up my dads as well/ |
| 23:23:04 | linuxstb | BigBambi: No place for kindness in this world.. |
| 23:23:10 | BigBambi | True |
| 23:23:19 | BigBambi | The meek shall inherit NOTHING |
| 23:23:28 | Alonea | MrKeuner: i dont like how sansa is like ipod and to find music you do it by artist, album, etc, instead of a file explorer. |
| 23:24:05 | Alonea | MrKeuner: prefer being able to organize my music how I want to, not forced to. |
| 23:24:11 | MrKeuner | Alonea: yeah! same here, and it cannot read the album tag either, even if I go out of my way and type every each tag! |
| 23:25:03 | MrKeuner | I tought my dad to use sound juicer to create mp3s but sansa firmware cannot read the tags. |
| 23:25:09 | Alonea | MrKeuner: album tag or album art tag? |
| 23:25:16 | MrKeuner | album name |
| 23:25:23 | Alonea | MrKeuner: ah. id3 tags then. |
| 23:25:48 | Alonea | MrKeuner: I also like how rockbox reads most song formats, including flac. |
| 23:26:05 | MrKeuner | do I need an older version of id3 tag system for sansa firmware? |
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| 23:26:37 | salty-horse | linuxstb, this is expected in the disk scan, right? "There are differences between boot sector and its backup." |
| 23:27:10 | Alonea | MrKeuner: have no idea. it should read the latest...*shrugs*. You can right click the file under windows, then goto summary(click on advanced on that screen). if it says the album there then sansa should read it. |
| 23:27:19 | linuxstb | salty-horse: I'm not sure, but it doesn't sound expected to me - I would have thought a backup should be the same as the original... |
| 23:27:42 | MrKeuner | Alonea: I do not have windows but gnome nautilus reads it well |
| 23:28:02 | salty-horse | I thought it was the sansa original vs rockbox versions |
| 23:28:03 | MrKeuner | Alonea: or any player in my linux box |
| 23:28:04 | billenium | i have a big problem. Rockbox can't play a good portion of my songs. When i click on the song name it says "No File!"... if anyone could please help, it would be much appreciated! |
| 23:28:11 | Alonea | MrKeuner: good. linux is our friend. hmm...dunno whats up with sansa then. |
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| 23:28:54 | MrKeuner | Alonea: you said left key right? so menu+left key should be pressed when sansa is off? |
| 23:29:13 | linuxstb | billenium: What kind of files are they? |
| 23:29:23 | billenium | music files |
| 23:29:23 | billenium | mp3 |
| 23:29:33 | billenium | they worked for a while |
| 23:29:35 | Mouser_X | billenium: What device do you have? If it's a Gigabeat, and you updated Rockbox, did you power down, and then reboot? |
| 23:29:37 | billenium | but all of a sudden stopped |
| 23:29:45 | billenium | its an ipod nano |
| 23:29:53 | Alonea | MrKeuner: yes. though you dont have to do at same time. as soon as the screen pops on on startup, hold down left. |
| 23:29:53 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 23:30:12 | billenium | its my own build too, but it worked for like 2 weeks after i compiled it, then stopped. |
| 23:30:14 | Alonea | Mouser_X: hello dear. |
| 23:30:44 | Mouser_X | billenium: Have you tried rebooting anyway? I've sometimes had that problem, and rebooting fixed it. |
| 23:30:54 | billenium | iyes |
| 23:30:59 | Mouser_X | Dang... |
| 23:31:00 | billenium | i rebooted it a couple times |
| 23:31:02 | MrKeuner | Alonea: I cannot do it, can it be any other key by any chance? |
| 23:32:24 | BigBambi | billenium: Could you try with the current build? |
| 23:32:32 | Alonea | MrKeuner: maybe, but that's what did it last night. you have installed rockbox already right and you want to load the OF? if so, then turn off player, turn on, hold down left key until it changes over. |
| 23:32:35 | billenium | i like my build better o.o |
| 23:32:41 | billenium | but i guess i could |
| 23:32:57 | BigBambi | Sure, but we need to check whether it is a rockbox problem or a your patches problem |
| 23:33:04 | billenium | kk |
| 23:33:08 | MrKeuner | Alonea: oh, I haven't installed rockbox yet, so this feature comes with rockbox? OK then |
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| 23:33:17 | billenium | should i just replace the .rockbox file |
| 23:33:24 | BigBambi | No, all of it |
| 23:33:25 | billenium | or should i unboot loader it |
| 23:33:35 | Alonea | MrKeuner: yes, I thought you wanted to know how to get into the OF for some reason after you install rockbox. |
| 23:33:46 | BigBambi | billenium: Are you using the standard bootloader? |
| 23:33:57 | billenium | i believe so |
| 23:34:00 | MrKeuner | Alonea: yes but I was trying recovery before doing any changes :) |
| 23:34:01 | Alonea | MrKeuner: OF is original firmware, or the sansa firmware your player came with. |
| 23:34:11 | billenium | i never changed the boot loader before |
| 23:34:14 | billenium | only the .rockbox folder |
| 23:34:16 | BigBambi | In that case just unzip a new build overwriting everything |
| 23:34:27 | billenium | ah |
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| 23:34:30 | billenium | sounds good |
| 23:34:33 | BigBambi | If you just replace rockbox.ipod you will have problems |
| 23:35:03 | billenium | oh also, my regular iPod (in regular ipod firmware mode) has the same problem. |
| 23:35:07 | billenium | just wanted to throw that out there |
| 23:35:08 | Alonea | MrKeuner: o...k..no need to recover your sansa. rockbox is quite safe. it just tampers with the bootloader, not firmware. I also suggest installing rockbox with the manual method. |
| 23:35:09 | BigBambi | aha! |
| 23:35:18 | billenium | teehee |
| 23:35:19 | BigBambi | billenium: With the same files? |
| 23:35:22 | billenium | yupyup |
| 23:35:33 | BigBambi | Have you tried them on a PC? |
| 23:35:35 | billenium | well i havent tested EVERy single one yet |
| 23:35:37 | billenium | but most of them |
| 23:35:40 | billenium | ill try now |
| 23:35:47 | BigBambi | Cool |
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| 23:35:53 | BigBambi | Sounds like they are corrupted |
| 23:36:02 | BigBambi | Probably a file system problem? |
| 23:36:08 | MrKeuner | Alonea: don't I need to replace bootloader in sansa, just as I did in ipod? |
| 23:36:08 | BigBambi | Are you Windows or linux? |
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| 23:36:27 | MrKeuner | Alonea: just unzip rockbox.zip that's enough? |
| 23:36:31 | billenium | Linux |
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| 23:36:55 | billenium | i really hope they arent corrupted |
| 23:36:58 | BigBambi | You could also try a fsck.vfat |
| 23:37:05 | billenium | fsck.vfat? |
| 23:37:06 | BigBambi | If they are to check the filesystem |
| 23:37:14 | BigBambi | It is like chkdsk in windows |
| 23:37:17 | billenium | my songs arent saved anywhere |
| 23:37:17 | Mouser_X | MrKeuner: There's a manual. It will tell you how to install both Rockbox, *and* the bootloader. |
| 23:37:21 | Mouser_X | Both need to be done. |
| 23:37:27 | BigBambi | billenium: Fingers crossed then |
| 23:37:28 | Alonea | MrKeuner: there is a difference between bootloader and firmware. if you have read the manual then you would know how to install. the sansapatcher.exe will do the bootloader and then you jsut unzip the rockbox. |
| 23:37:33 | billenium | =( |
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| 23:37:38 | billenium | so i type this into the termnal? |
| 23:37:55 | BigBambi | billenium: Just try playing a song on the PC first, but then yes |
| 23:38:02 | BigBambi | specifying mount point too |
| 23:38:05 | billenium | i dont have the mp3 codec =P |
| 23:38:12 | BigBambi | hehe |
| 23:38:15 | billenium | brb |
| 23:38:17 | billenium | switching to XP |
| 23:38:21 | BigBambi | OK |
| 23:38:21 | Alonea | MrKeuner: the manual should tell you everything you need to know on installation and most of the features. wiki should have everything else. |
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| 23:39:17 | MrKeuner | Alonea: all right thank you |
| 23:39:23 | MrKeuner | Mouser_X: thank you |
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| 23:39:36 | billeniumXP | okay |
| 23:39:37 | billeniumXP | xp |
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| 23:41:16 | billeniumXP | wow |
| 23:41:17 | billeniumXP | big problem |
| 23:41:36 | billeniumXP | the songs arent in my K:\iPod_Control\Music\ folder... |
| 23:41:46 | billeniumXP | only the ones that play are inthere |
| 23:42:21 | linuxstb | Where are they then? |
| 23:42:22 | billeniumXP | THanks bigbambi |
| 23:42:25 | billeniumXP | there gone |
| 23:42:28 | billeniumXP | deleted i suppose |
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| 23:42:35 | linuxstb | Ah, you were using the database? |
| 23:42:38 | stripwax | is your (rockbox) database out of sync with your actual filesystem? |
| 23:42:45 | BigBambi | billeniumXP: Were you databasing? |
| 23:42:50 | * | linuxstb forgets Rockbox has a database... |
| 23:42:52 | stripwax | and did you sync with (itunes) database at some point |
| 23:42:55 | * | BigBambi too |
| 23:42:59 | BigBambi | I never use it |
| 23:43:04 | billeniumXP | umm |
| 23:43:06 | billeniumXP | yes im using databse |
| 23:43:08 | BigBambi | I enabl;ed it for the first time to look at pictureflow |
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| 23:43:21 | billeniumXP | i think im never going to use it again though |
| 23:43:23 | BigBambi | billeniumXP: Is autoupdate + load to ram turned in? |
| 23:43:29 | BigBambi | *on |
| 23:43:37 | billeniumXP | BigBambi: my songs arent even on my iPod |
| 23:43:40 | Alonea | BigBambi: only time I use it is when I loose my memory: "damn...where did I put that song again?" |
| 23:44:05 | BigBambi | billeniumXP: Yep, but the database thought they were, so it wasn't updating properly |
| 23:44:13 | billeniumXP | kk |
| 23:44:15 | billeniumXP | this sucks |
| 23:44:19 | stripwax | just update the database |
| 23:44:21 | billeniumXP | i lost 50 percent of my songs |
| 23:44:34 | BigBambi | bizarre |
| 23:44:38 | stripwax | do you use itunes? |
| 23:44:41 | Mouser_X | Ouch... |
| 23:44:44 | billeniumXP | not usually |
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| 23:45:01 | billeniumXP | there backed up ony my dads computer |
| 23:45:08 | billeniumXP | oh@ |
| 23:45:09 | billeniumXP | haha |
| 23:45:11 | stripwax | could you, at some point, have used itunes and itunes resync'd your ipod and removed music in the process?? |
| 23:45:11 | BigBambi | OK, so annoying but not fatal |
| 23:45:12 | billeniumXP | thats probably it |
| 23:45:13 | Mouser_X | If I lost 50% of my songs, I'd be out 30,000+ files... If those were SIDs, I wouldn't care... |
| 23:45:35 | billeniumXP | haha... when i copied them onto my dads computer, i didnt copy, i cut and pasted i guess... |
| 23:45:43 | Mouser_X | Ooops. |
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| 23:45:45 | billeniumXP | hehehe... |
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| 23:46:21 | Alonea | I would have a fit if I lost half my music...probably need to be sent to ye ole crazy house |
| 23:46:28 | BigBambi | Me too |
| 23:46:43 | billeniumXP | it was more than half |
| 23:46:51 | billeniumXP | like all my goood songs i listen to every day |
| 23:47:12 | MrKeuner | is there a linux binary of sansapatcher? |
| 23:47:57 | MrKeuner | sorry... nevermind |
| 23:48:14 | Alonea | MrKeuner: ^__^. just saw it in manual? |
| 23:48:30 | MrKeuner | yes :) |
| 23:49:46 | Alonea | billeniumXP: that would make any person unbalanced. at least its not gone permanently. |
| 23:50:06 | billeniumXP | yeah |
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| 23:51:33 | * | Alonea wonders how to make computer compile faster |
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| 23:55:18 | Mouser_X | Alonea: Are you compiling with cygwin, vmware, or Linux? |
| 23:55:29 | Alonea | Mouser_X: linux |
| 23:55:33 | Mouser_X | (The latter 2 should be pretty close to each other in speed.) |
| 23:55:48 | MrKeuner | Alonea: any theme recommendations for an old guy? |
| 23:55:56 | Mouser_X | Well then, to my knowledge, the best way to get it to go faster is to get a newer, better, computer. |
| 23:56:08 | Alonea | MrKeuner: Cassette. *grins* my dad got a kick out of it. |
| 23:56:12 | Mouser_X | MrKeuner: Something with large text? |
| 23:56:18 | MrKeuner | Mouser_X: yes |
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| 23:56:35 | * | Mouser_X often uses small text. |
| 23:56:41 | imulator | hello |
| 23:57:22 | Alonea | Mouser_X: I wish I had the cash. this laptop isn't too bad I guess. gig of ram, amd turion 64 processor. lets not mention the video card... |
| 23:58:32 | * | Mouser_X needs new computer hardware as well. |
| 23:58:42 | * | Mouser_X is getting off-topic |
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