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#rockbox log for 2007-12-31

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00:18:51MrKeunerAlonea: this cassette looks really good thanks
00:19:10AloneaMrKeuner: no problem.
00:19:44AloneaMrKeuner: and its pretty easy to edit the wps to 12 hour time and US date format if he is picky about that kind of stuff.
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00:33:30Mouser_XCodecPerformanceComparison is one of the (very few) reasons I'd consider getting a Wiki account. The ADX codec should be added to the list.
00:33:44Mouser_XThere's an ADX encoder available.
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00:41:21MrKeuneris it possible to encode into ogg or mp3 in rockbox when recording?
00:41:33markunwell, mp3 I think
00:41:47linuxstbYou can encode to mp3.
00:42:10markunspeex would be interesting
00:42:14MrKeunerlinuxstb: is a matter of setting or do I need to upload additional binaries?
00:42:21linuxstbmarkun: Have you looked at the existing multi-fonts patch?
00:42:27markunlinuxstb: nope
00:42:50linuxstbMrKeuner: It's just a matter of a setting in the recording options. You have the choice (IIRC) of recording to WAV, lossless wavpack or MP3.
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00:44:57markunlinuxstb: I wonder how fast the flac encoder from ffmpeg could be in rockbox
00:45:20linuxstbI'm pretty sure it's floating point...
00:45:22Mouser_XSpeex would be interesting, but it's not optimised for 22050 hz. Isn't that what the Sansa records in?
00:46:40Mouser_XIf speex were implemented, wouldn't it be better to downsample the recording, for the above reason?
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00:46:45markunlinuxstb: yes, you are right :(
00:46:51Mouser_X(Or should it be upsampled?)
00:46:52markunquite a lot of double's
00:48:11markunMouser_X: jmspeex thinks that 16kHz should be used, but I prefer the sound at 32kHz
00:48:21linuxstbI wonder if many people use the wavpack recording feature - 20/40GB is a lot of recording...
00:49:43Mouser_XIf I record, I use MP3.
00:49:54Mouser_Xmarkun: Interesting to know.
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00:51:54Mouser_XSoundCodecs is the other reason I'd consider getting a Wiki account. I'd either add, or fixup, some of the "SoundCodec***" pages.
00:52:41Mouser_X(Yes, I have only 2 reasons to get a wiki account, and both are codec related. It's one of the biggest reasons I use Rockbox, after all.)
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00:53:58linuxstbWhat's stopping you? ;)
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00:57:36Mouser_XFor me, 2 reasons isn't enough.
00:59:32linuxstbThen they're not reasons...
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01:25:04MrKeunerMy dad is happy with rockbox on his new sansa e250 thank you people for the good work
01:25:06MrKeunergood night
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02:03:08BrianHVhow likely is a 6G iPod port to happen anytime soon?
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02:04:12Mouser_XNone whatsoever.
02:04:33Mouser_XIt has encrypted firmware, and no one has broken the encyrption.
02:04:36*BrianHV keeps searching for a 5G
02:04:57BrianHVon that note, anyone know where I can find an 80GB 5G? ;)
02:05:45Mouser_XOnce the encryption is broken, they then need to disassemble it, to find out how it ticks. Once they've done that, they need to figure out how to bypass the security of the device, so that they can run their own code on it.
02:05:57Mouser_XEtc. Etc.
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02:13:39m1keI am following the install instruction for an Ipod 30gb. I am trying to compile RockBoxUtility and the command qmake is not working.
02:15:00m1keThe direction say simply to type the command qmake. It pretty much display the man page when I type that command. Here is the top. Usage: qmake-qt4 [mode] [options] [files]
02:17:09linuxstbWhere are you typing it? (i.e. what directory)?
02:17:23linuxstbAnd is there a reason you need to compile it yourself?
02:17:25m1kerbuiltqt-v1.02 after extracting
02:17:46m1keInstructions say I needed to compile for linux users, no?
02:18:25linuxstbI don't know, but a binary is here -
02:19:35m1kechmod +x
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02:33:21m1keI run the ./rbutilqt and I have it auto detect my setting. My device is mounted and selected. I then go to the Quick Start tab and select Complete Installation. I get a dialog box saying that "It seem your Bootloader is already up to date. Do you relaly want to install it?"
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02:34:15BrianHVis there recommended hardware to get to run rockbox? >40GB is preferable
02:34:33BrianHV(I'm in the US, if it matters)
02:34:43LloreanDepends almost entirely on your requirements from it
02:34:50LloreanThe BuyersGuide wiki page is a good starting point
02:35:04BrianHVah, missed that one. I'll check it out
02:36:21m1keI selected "ignore' I starts installing then stops at "No valid themes found."
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02:39:25m1keWhat is going wrong with this Auto Full install?
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02:44:00Mouser_XSounds like nothing, to me. So it can't find themes. It sounds like it worked anyway though.
02:44:07Mouser_X(I've never used it.)
02:44:42m1keWhere does the RobkBox Gui wizard look for the themes at?
02:45:00Mouser_XAlso, it downloads the themes from which is currently over its bandwidth limit. Thus, no themes, since it closed out hte iPod 5g group.
02:45:05m1keI look at the hidden files in my mounted Ipod and it shows them there.
02:45:29Mouser_XI would suggest that you look at the wiki to download themes.
02:45:33m1keThat make sense. I am trying to install Ipod 5gen
02:46:07Mouser_XSpecifically, you'll want the WpsGallery.
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02:51:36m1keWhat do I do know? Since this installer is stop at the failed theme section?
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03:07:50aliask-What's the status of the FM radio on the c200 series?
03:10:58Mouser_XLast I knew, it worked, but I could be wrong.
03:13:43LloreanWorks for me.
03:13:49LloreanOr did, last time I checked
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03:24:11aliask-On mine it's completely off - I tuned to ~100mhz and it was picking up a radio station that should be broadcasting at 91.5
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03:28:08LloreanAre you using an absolutely current build?
03:28:21aliask-Installed today using RbUtil
03:28:31LloreanI know with builds a few weeks back there were problems like that, but I *thought* something was fixed about that. Maybe I'm wrong.
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06:08:55sevenwordshello everyone
06:09:10psycho_maniachello sevenwords
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06:24:18webguest82anyone there
06:24:40advcomp2019webguest82, there is many people
06:25:34advcomp2019webguest82, do you have a question
06:26:50webguest82hey is anyone there
06:27:04Mouser_XYes, there are. Lots and lots and lots.
06:27:07krazykitwebguest82, please read the guidelines.
06:27:10Mouser_XYou're ignoring them when they answer.
06:27:17Aloneawebguest82: do you have a question?
06:28:10webguest82how is the status on sansa view coming
06:28:36krazykitwebguest82, read the forum thread in the New Ports forum. that will have the most up-to-date information
06:28:56webguest82how is the status on sansa view coming
06:29:26krazykitwebguest82, please do not repeat your questions.
06:29:29psycho_maniacplease do not ask the same question twice
06:29:51Mouser_XFor that matter, please don't every repeat yourself if at all possible.
06:29:58webguest82sorry this must be a little slow
06:30:51Aloneawebguest82: connection doing strange things for you? ah. be a bit patient then or maybe reset it?
06:31:36webguest82sorry this must be a little slow
06:32:14webguest82k I am sorry this is the first time I have been in a web chat
06:33:35webguest82I checked the fourms
06:34:11webguest82how do I chat
06:34:29webguest82oh yeah just type and press enter
06:34:37krazykitwebguest82, if it wasn't obvious, you already are. if you don't have a question related to rockbox, please don't stray offtopic.
06:35:52webguest82I am using ff
06:35:57webguest82not ie
06:36:19Aloneawebguest82: most people use ff. now please stay on topic.
06:37:26webguest82you all may know that amazon is selling the e200 v2's now
06:37:53Mouser_Xwebguest82: This doesn't concern Rockbox...
06:37:53advcomp2019webguest82, most of them are now
06:38:01webguest82I thought thet were selling the v1's
06:38:19Aloneawebguest82: unfortunately v2 is not compatible with rockbox. you can get a v1 from newegg though.
06:38:32*Mouser_X got one from woot.
06:39:02webguest82to me it does
06:39:26webguest82I want to put rockbox on v1 sansa e250
06:39:49webguest82for someone for Christmas
06:39:51Mouser_XWhich is a good place to put it. That is, as opposed to your pants. I don't recommend putting it there.
06:40:06Aloneawebguest82: installation instructions can be found in the manual.
06:40:53webguest82but I told her that sooner or later she will be able to use rockbox
06:41:17Mouser_XAlonea: Since he's complaining about the v2 being sold at Amazon, that impies to me he's got a v2, from Amazon (this would be how they know).
06:41:27Mouser_XThus, if I'm right, Rockbox can't be installed on it.
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06:42:02AloneaMouser_X: seems that way. I got my dads from newegg. he is quite pleased with it.
06:42:04krazykitwebguest82, ports are not planned: people with the devices and the skills necessary to port have to do the work.
06:42:33AloneaMouser_X: and V2s cant be made into V1s since its different hardware. ^__^
06:43:06webguest82do you know that mpeg player is having problems
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06:43:34webguest82I am that upset just surprised
06:43:55Aloneawebguest82: all of rockbox is still being developed so it is obvious some parts will have bugs. mpeg player hasn't been around that long.
06:44:01Mouser_XUnderstandable. I'd be rather "put out" if I didn't get what I was expecting...
06:44:31webguest82a v1 or v2
06:44:33webguest82I know
06:45:22Mouser_Xwebguest82: So, are you certain that the one you have is a v2?
06:45:29Mouser_X(It doesn't hurt to make sure.)
06:45:33webguest82the player shuts off in the middle of a video
06:45:54webguest82oh k
06:45:59webguest82I like it though
06:46:02Mouser_Xwebguest82: Are you using Rockbox's Mpegplayer? If yes, what device are you using it on?
06:46:12Aloneawebguest82:, maybe battery ran out? haven't had that happen
06:46:32Mouser_XAlonea: I've had it crash during a video before, but that was awhile ago.
06:46:47webguest82yes it is because the wheel fills different
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06:46:58AloneaMouser_X: ah.
06:47:00webguest82it is not mine it is a friends
06:47:18webguest82sansa e280 v1
06:47:37Aloneawebguest82: there is a way to know for sure. you look under the info screen and if its 3 point something, its V2
06:47:56webguest82it did not do it until the changes were made on the 29th
06:48:52Aloneawebguest82: it happens. have you updated it again to see if its fixed already?
06:49:29webguest82I like that the videos run at 25fps now
06:49:58psycho_maniacwebguest82: what player?
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06:50:15Aloneapsycho_maniac: I think he said sansa e280
06:50:45psycho_maniacyeah videos player pretty good on the e200 series with rockbox
06:50:46webguest82ther one i have is the v1
06:50:51webguest82my friends is the v2
06:51:24webguest82not yet hold on
06:53:04Aloneapsycho_maniac: I am still in love with my gigabeat of course. pretty good screen size.
06:53:24Mouser_XI have a Sansa, but the Gigabeat is where it's at (for me).
06:54:14AloneaMouser_X: indeed. I am pretty much attached to it and my mogul. don't leave home without it.
06:54:48Mouser_XI need a bigger HDD on my Gigabeat...
06:54:58psycho_maniacyeah the gigeabeat owns but mine is broke so im stuck with my sansa for now till i can buy another gigabeat
06:55:23Mouser_Xpsycho_maniac: Why didn't you sell it to toffe82?
06:55:31webguest82it just did it
06:55:52webguest82what about the view?
06:55:58Aloneapsycho_maniac: awwww! my case now includes a bit of duct tape holding it together, but its still kicking.
06:56:02psycho_maniaci havnt been able to find all the parts yet.
06:56:14webguest82I want one
06:56:21krazykitwebguest82, the view is not supported, and thus offtopic.
06:56:28Mouser_Xwebguest82: What version of Rockbox are you running? You can check by going into the main menu, and checking the "info" there.
06:56:42psycho_maniachaah yeah when i had mine i had scotch tape holding it together. those dumb tabs kept breaking
06:57:06Mouser_XDang. Mine is still just fine. Faded, but fine otherwise.
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06:57:21Mouser_X(The paint is coming off in areas, and it's turning black there.)
06:57:42Aloneapsycho_maniac: I know! I hate it...I would glue it, but that requires effort and getting fingers sticky.
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06:58:09webguest82does the sansa view screen the same size as the gigabeat
06:58:27psycho_maniacyeah i would of glued mine but i took it apart a lot
06:58:39webguest82the latest one
06:58:40Mouser_Xwebguest82: Not to my knowledge. However, the Sansa view is off topic.
06:59:33ptw419if i have a dump of an OF ROM
06:59:33psycho_maniacthe next one i get i will very carefully take the bottom and top pieces off.
06:59:44ptw419would it be legal to post it onto the wiki?
06:59:55ptw419or would that be a bad idea?
07:00:12Aloneapsycho_maniac: indeed. I am thinking about doing that battery thing though. if I get time or the patience.
07:00:55psycho_maniacAlonea: you were the one i was talking to about the hard drive upgrade?
07:01:28webguest82there is a bug on the sansa sometimes the fm radio does not show up
07:01:45Aloneapsycho_maniac: umm, have no idea. probably not. my memory is shot. I am lucky to remember a few hours ago.
07:02:03Aloneapsycho_maniac: is there a way to get a bigger hdd in there?
07:02:07psycho_maniacno that was moos
07:02:12Mouser_Xwebguest82: Update Rockbox. You've got an old build.
07:02:35psycho_maniacyes. you can go up to 80gigs that i know of with the F40s or any F series i believe
07:02:36webguest82I have to go into the of then back into rockbox to have it show up
07:02:37*Mouser_X is wrong.
07:02:57Mouser_XSorry, I was wrong. 15983 is the newest build.
07:03:01Aloneapsycho_maniac: oooooo...guessing there is an article somewhere in the wiki?
07:03:25Mouser_XAlonea: It's not hard.
07:03:37Mouser_XJust open your Gigabeat, unplug the drive, and plug the new one in.
07:03:45psycho_maniacHardDriveUpgrade shows the hard drives
07:04:06psycho_maniacactually depending on the drive you might have to format it
07:04:11Mouser_X(Of course, you still have to be sure to put the OF on the new drive, for the Gigabeat to actually work.)
07:04:30webguest82I did
07:04:46psycho_maniacyeah it was pretty easy for me I upgraded mine to a 80gig if i didnt say already
07:04:47webguest82I used the rockbox utility
07:04:53AloneaMouser_X: oh, I am sure. I just need instructions so I don't mess up. Its more or less getting the right hdd. do you need to get a special one or will any do?
07:05:39Aloneapsycho_maniac: nice. I will think about it at some point along with that battery upgrade, but not this week. probably in a few months when I can get my life sorted out more.
07:05:48psycho_maniacAlonea: look up HardDriveUpgrade in the wiki it will tell you what hard drives you can use
07:06:10psycho_maniacgood luck finding a 80 though for a decent price.
07:06:34Aloneapsycho_maniac: awww...and here I thought hdds were getting cheap
07:06:58Mouser_XAlonea: There's pretty much only 1 kind of drive to choose from, for the Gigabeat F.
07:07:08Aloneawaait a minute...*looks at laptop with 80 in it*
07:07:12Mouser_XOf course, you do still need to know what model it'd be.
07:07:19psycho_maniacmine wasnt too bad 180 i think. but ive seen some over 200 bucks
07:07:44psycho_maniacMK8007GAH <−−-this is the 80gig toshiba
07:08:13Mouser_XGAH!!! <−−- This is what I always think when I see those model numbers...
07:08:58Aloneapsycho_maniac: ah. the one in my laptop is a fujitsu MHV2080AH
07:09:20psycho_maniacwhy is that Mouser_X?
07:10:35Mouser_Xpsycho_maniac: As in "GAH!!! Why did I do that?!"
07:10:49psycho_maniacahh i see now
07:10:56Mouser_XAka - similar to "Argh!"
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07:13:09dqhpmpk iam back
07:13:58Mouser_Xdqhpmp: Now that you're back, do you have a specific question? I couldn't tell if we were able to resolve your issue or not.
07:14:07Aloneapsycho_maniac: I was unable to find the wiki page on it.
07:14:15psycho_maniacwiki page on what?
07:14:30Aloneapsycho_maniac: hard drive replacement for gigabeat
07:14:44psycho_maniacah thats because i geave you the wrong name the correct one is....
07:14:51dqhpmpdid u get the bug about the fm radio
07:15:05Mouser_XI saw you mention it, but I have nothing to say on that.
07:15:45Mouser_Xdqhpmp: Not only do I rarely use my Sansa, I use the radio far less... I haven't (intentionally) listened to the radio in 10+ years.
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07:17:24dqhpmpoh ok
07:18:05dqhpmpI only have an e280 so I can only see that on it
07:19:02dqhpmpI am just letting you all know
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07:20:02dqhpmphow come I can't turn the bass or the treble up like I could on the ipod nano
07:20:17dqhpmpif I turn it up I get distortion
07:20:20Aloneahmm, technically couldn't you get a 120 gig, though it would make it bulky
07:20:32Mouser_Xdqhpmp: Again, not something I can answer, since I don't use those options.
07:20:50Mouser_XAlonea: No, because you need a 50-pin hard drive.
07:20:51dqhpmpI used to have ipod nano with rockbox on it
07:21:16AloneaMouser_X: there is a 50 pin 120 I saw, though it had a question mark by it
07:21:30dqhpmpoh ok
07:21:45Mouser_XAh, right. I think it's *brand spanking new* or *very* rare.
07:22:06Mouser_XI seem to recall someone mentioning it a few days ago.
07:22:48Mouser_XMaybe you could create your own custom back piece, so that that HDD would fit your Gigabeat?
07:22:58AloneaMouser_X: yeah, by Samsung. that would be sweet, but man, I don't think I would ever fill it up
07:23:14AloneaMouser_X: I think I was wrong. its 8mm, and isn't the gigabeat 8mm?
07:23:15Mouser_XI would.
07:23:32AloneaMouser_X: at least the F-40 is
07:23:33Mouser_XI have over 100 GB of MP3s alone, let alone other formats I have.
07:24:14AloneaMouser_X: I am sure I could fill it if I really tried.
07:24:23AloneaMouser_X: but I would need a few hours...
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07:24:39AloneaMouser_X: got a bunch of cds I could rip onto it.
07:25:23Mouser_XYes, according to that page, the F40 uses a 8mm 1.8 inch drive.
07:26:33AloneaMouser_X: *gets sparkly eyes* now to dish out the dough is a whole nother story...
07:27:11Mouser_XThe other problem is confirming that it does actually have a 50-pin port.
07:27:24AloneaMouser_X: I am checking it out right now
07:27:36Mouser_XFor $213, I'm not sure I'd want to risk it without knowing for sure first.
07:30:02AloneaMouser_X: gonna see if I can ask them
07:36:10Mouser_XIt uses PATA, and doesn't say it uses ZIF (the HS122JB uses ZIF).
07:36:29AloneaMouser_X: yeah, it just says its PATA, but not number of pins. I am using the contact us and see if I get a response.
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07:40:34Mouser_XLooks like it's ZIF. :(
07:40:35AloneaMouser_X: I also ask about the other 2 questionables.
07:42:54AloneaMouser_X: awww...
07:43:29Mouser_XFor $213, though expensive (for me), I would have considered it.
07:44:26AloneaMouser_X: indeed.
07:45:09AloneaMouser_X: who knows, maybe its impossible to have over 80 due to voltage or some technical thing I don't understand.
07:45:21Aloneaat least 50 pin stuff.
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07:45:33Mouser_XNaw. 50-pin drives are old.
07:45:48Mouser_XIt's just that they're moving (moved?) to a new standard.
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07:47:22AloneaMouser_X: ah. ok. see. know nothing about this stuff. I am still upset that DDR is so expensive. anyway, I might consider an 80, just don't know yet.
07:57:42AloneaMouser_X: then again, is it worth 170+ bucks?
07:58:18Mouser_XFor an 80 GB drive? Depends on how much you need that much space.
07:59:08Mouser_XFor $200, I'd say the 120 GB would be worth it (if it only had the right connector!). However, I don't think I'd pay $200 for an 80 GB drive.
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07:59:30AloneaMouser_X: me neither.
08:00:23Aloneawell, to bed I go. at least I think I will go to bed. it doesn't always work out...
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08:56:10*JdGordon sucks at spot the differences games... what changed in the last commit?
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09:00:10Lloreanlcd_remote_lcd_blah to lcd_remote_blah
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09:34:07amiconnSome refined details regarding the new greyscale lib: * it will have 129 levels of grey (not 128 as I thought) * there will no more buffered vs. unbuffered mode
09:36:06amiconnThat is, I might still implement both modes, but the functions could then be mixed with no unexpected effects
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09:40:59Prestonfuck yeah
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09:53:11Lloreanamiconn: Is the purpose of this redesign speed, or just increased color depth as it were, or some other intent?
09:54:00amiconnIncreased depth, faster updates, no graininess with changing content, and lower ram usage
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10:00:36amiconnOf course there are tradeoffs: The ISR will need somewhat more cpu power, and there will be an extra function in the core which needs a bit of IRAM
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10:49:22woodensoulhey guys, I just posted my 2nd WPS to the wiki, but when I try to DL it, I get a 404 not found error
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10:49:53woodensouliriver 1x0 series gallery
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10:54:12woodensouljust figured it out
10:54:27woodensoulI had .ZIP, and changing it to .zip worked.
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11:29:43*linuxstb updates his viewport patch (FS #8385) with an implementation for lcd-remote-1bit-v.c
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11:46:31TroyMcClure12how does one enable album art? and is it possible for rockbox to read embedded album art yet?
11:47:17davzieTroyMcClure12, I beleive i read somewhere that the art needs to be converted.
11:47:24davzieHey guys, just a quick question. I love Rockbox to bits however there is one thing that completely puts me off switching and that's because I use Rockbox whilst driving. I have a Sony headunit that uses the Xplod system to communicate with the default iPod Firmware. I also have a standard AUX jack but the quality of the music is considerably less than that of the dock connector. Rockbox doesn't do anything when I plug in the old pod to the dock connector in
11:47:24davzie the car. Is this something you guys know about?
11:49:15linuxstbdavzie: Yes, see
11:49:35linuxstbTroyMcClure12: See
11:53:02davzieTHanks linuxstb! I'll have to have a fiddle. Also do iPod's have the abliity to record audio? It seems it does, there's menus for it.
11:53:43davzieAnd christ, database movement can be slow.
11:55:20linuxstbSome ipods can record - what do you have?
11:58:12davzieA 80gig 5.5 g =)
11:58:37linuxstbThen you can record via the line-in pins hidden in the dock connector at the bottom of your ipod. You'll need a special cable/adapter.
11:59:16b0nxI was just having a look at
11:59:30b0nxis there any update for Remote Control of the Ipod?
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11:59:50linuxstbb0nx: No, no-one is working on it.
12:00:00b0nxfair enough
12:00:06b0nxThanks linuxstb
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12:00:43davzieInteresting. I knew there to be a recording function in it somewhere = /
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12:04:07imulatori am creating a wps how can i define the position of the artist text etc?
12:04:16imulatorand the lenght
12:08:37soapI don't know if you are talking horizontal or vert. position.
12:09:17soapAlso mind you Viewports are an up-and-coming feature which will revolutionize the way WPSs are made and what they can do.
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12:11:24imulatorok thank you i will read them
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12:11:33linuxstbimulator: As Soap said, viewports are close (I hope) to being committed, so you may want to look at patch 8385, and develop your WPS to use viewports. It will also be helpful to me if someone can test these new features and provide feedback.
12:12:45imulatori dont mean viewport
12:13:11imulatordo you know the theme kratojet?
12:13:39linuxstbNo, but I'm guessing it uses the unofficial "custom line" patch?
12:14:08imulatori thinks this is custom line
12:14:24linuxstbThat patch will never be part of official Rockbox - viewports will implement that functionality in a better way, so if you want your theme to work in official Rockbox builds, you should use viewports.
12:14:40imulatormhh ok
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12:15:02imulatoris viewport implemented?
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12:15:07davzieI was put off using Rockbox when I once got it confused for iPod Linux, which is quite frankly next to useless.
12:15:22imulatori have chrisjs build
12:15:29soap<linuxstb> imulator: As Soap said, viewports are close (I hope) to being committed,
12:15:53linuxstbimulator: I'm working on it currently - it's partially implemented, and I hope to commit it to SVN in about 2 or 3 days time, assuming no big problems come up.
12:16:26soapi also linked the flyspray entry for linuxstb's work-in-progress, which is quite useable on your machine.
12:16:43imulatorsansa e200?
12:17:07soapyes, there is little which might change for your player.
12:17:50imulatorhow is the tag for viewport?
12:17:58imulatoroh what is the tag
12:18:06soapIt in described in the link to the FS entry
12:18:12linuxstbIt's described on that flyspray page - you can also look at the jClix_Night_VP WPS I attached.
12:18:38imulatorok ill look
12:19:12imulatorif i understood right color mp3 player are supported?
12:19:55davzielinuxstb, did you create the jClix themes?
12:20:00soapyes, your sansa e200 (I figured out a long time ago that was your player based on the custom build you mentioned) is fully supported.
12:20:13linuxstbdavzie: No, I just adapted one of them for the new viewports feature.
12:20:24imulatoryes i have a custum build
12:20:28imulatorok i will try the wps
12:20:32davzieAh I see, I was going to ask if you were why your custom build just bricked my rockbox installation :0
12:21:21linuxstbAren't those builds very old?
12:21:49imulatorok the wps doesnt work
12:21:59imulatori have default wps
12:22:13imulatormhh the build date says 27.12.07
12:22:39linuxstbWhat build are you using? That theme is for a 220x176 device, and also needs to have my viewports patch applied.
12:22:57imulatori have chrisjs
12:23:11imulatordoesnt has viewport
12:23:45imulatormhh what build would you advise me?
12:24:07davzieYes they are dead old but I just wanted something that looked nice like they do, lots of eye-candy, that's all that matters to me really. I installed the theme but all that changed was the background, the now playing screen was the same boring look etc, I'm not sure how to get it looking like it does people's screenshots. I read about patches but that requires you to compile from source which I really can't be asked to be doing, yeh I'm lazy.
12:24:34linuxstbThere are lots of decent themes that work with the official builds.
12:24:44imulatori had kugels build fpr a while
12:24:56imulatorbut it got lagging and crashed often
12:25:08imulatorso i changed to chrisjs
12:25:31davzieAll offline though on the Rockbox website and I can't find any alternative sources.
12:25:33imulatori dont mean advise i wanted to say recommend
12:25:54imulatorwhat build is good?
12:26:00linuxstbimulator; The only build I would recommend is the official one...
12:26:20linuxstbFor viewports, you will need to apply the patch yourself (for the next few days anyway), and compile your own build.
12:26:22imulatorbut there are no patches
12:26:40imulatorand i dont understand how to implement a patch
12:26:55imulatori read a manual
12:27:06imulatorthe commands i dont have them in dos
12:27:40linuxstbYou need to setup a development environment - for Windows users this means either Cygwin or VMware with Linux.
12:28:03imulatori have vmware with linux
12:28:18imulatorshould i start it now`
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12:28:34linuxstbimulator: Is that the Rockbox vmware, or something you installed yourself?
12:29:01imulatorrockbox vmware?
12:29:07imulatorno i have vmware server
12:29:15imulatorand virtual mashine has linux
12:29:40linuxstbI meant the rockbox development vmware image - a version of Linux with the Rockbox development tools installed.
12:30:07imulatorno where can i get it?
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12:31:37imulatorok 5 minutes iwill have it
12:32:56linuxstbThe first thing you should do is follow the instructions there to compile your own Rockbox build without any patches. Once you can do that, you can try to apply the viewports patch and compile a version of Rockbox with viewports. Later you can add other patches if you want. But I would recommend taking it one step at a time...
12:34:26imulatorok thank you
12:34:41linuxstbdavzie: 5g WPSs are available here - and
12:35:10imulatornot to me
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12:44:07imulatorok it is started
12:44:49imulatoris there a internet browser?
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12:45:44davzielinuxstb, thanks, I'm taking a look now but I'm a bit confused, stuff like "Rayboradio" on requires a "custom build". It looks the tits but I can't just "install it".
12:49:03linuxstbdavzie: Yes, some of the themes need custom builds, I'm just saying that a lot of "decent" themes don't. The choice is yours...
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12:51:42davzieHmm =) okay thanks for you help! Just going to start looking for some decent customs now :)
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12:54:42imulatorif i have downloaded the build is it comatible with sansa?
12:55:14linuxstbWhich build?
12:55:46imulatori run svn co svn:// rockbox
12:55:52imulatorso its downloading something
12:56:07linuxstbYes, there is only a single Rockbox source code used for all builds.
12:56:28linuxstbWhen you compile, you choose which target you're compiling for.
12:57:09imulatorah i understand
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12:58:54imulatorso i dont mkdir build_h120 but i mkdir build_e200??
13:01:21linuxstbYes, you can call it anything you like though. The important thing is the target you choose in the ../tools/configure step.
13:03:19imulatoroh i see i can choose now ;-)
13:03:50imulatorbuild version normal?
13:04:34linuxstbOr "simulator" for a version you can run on your PC - that's easier for WPS development...
13:05:17imulatori want for my sansa... simulator i can make later
13:05:34imulatorso if i have my build i can implement patches?
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13:07:55imulatortakes a long time i see
13:08:08BigBambidepends on your pc
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13:09:12imulatormhh i have a quite good. i bought a 1gb ram 3 days before
13:09:34BigBambiIt isn't just ram
13:09:38imulatorbut the vm uses 256mb
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13:09:47imulatori have 2,9 ghz
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13:11:36imulatorwhat does SVN mean?
13:11:57linuxstbimulator: Don't try my viewports patch yet, there's a problem with it - I'm about to upload a new version...
13:12:14BigBambiimulator: Subversion (SVN) is a version control system
13:12:46linuxstbimulator: In the next couple of minutes
13:15:03imulatori have a zip file now
13:15:20linuxstbCongratulations. Now you can install it...
13:15:48imulatorbut cant implement a patch into the zip file right?
13:16:00BigBambiheh, No
13:16:03imulatorok i understood right
13:16:09BigBambiI didn't mean to be so forceful :)
13:16:17imulatorits ok
13:16:35imulatori didnt sense it so forceful ;-)
13:16:39BigBambiimulator: A patch patches the source code, then you compile the altered source into a build that you can use
13:17:07imulatorif i patch do i have to do make zip only or make and then make zip?
13:18:18linuxstbimulator; New version of the viewports patch now uploaded - v4.1
13:18:21BigBambimake then make zip
13:18:23linuxstbThat should work for you.
13:19:31imulatorhow can i download it?
13:19:40BigBambiClick on it?
13:19:41imulatorweith right click save file i get a html file
13:19:47imulatorand i i click i see the text
13:20:07imulatorinternet explorer hehe i try with this
13:20:09BigBambime too actually
13:20:17BigBambiBut if you click then do save page it'll work
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13:21:14imulatornow i put the file into debian\root?
13:21:33BigBambisvn revert . will revert to latest version, yes?
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13:22:57Retro`i have a SanDisk Sansa e260 mp3 player
13:22:58imulatorhow does svn add file work?
13:23:13Retro`i also own a 1 GB MicroSD card for that device
13:23:30Retro`but when i plug that card in, it is not detected by Ubuntu
13:23:33imulatornice me too
13:23:41Retro`what can i do to make it detectable?
13:23:49BigBambiaha svn revert -R .
13:23:55markunBigBambi: I use(d) "svn revert -R ./"
13:24:02imulatori had ubuntu but not now ;-)
13:24:05markunbad timing
13:24:06BigBambimarkun: cheers :)
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13:24:33Retro`do i need a driver or something?
13:24:35imulatorretro? doesnt ubuntu make two drives?
13:24:43Retro`i doesn't
13:24:50Retro`just the one of the player
13:24:58Retro`the 4 GB one
13:25:05imulatorwhat firmware?
13:25:07Retro`and not the 1 GB one as well
13:25:15BigBambilinuxstb: Should v4.1 compile for gigabeat?
13:25:16Retro`i have the original firmware
13:25:27Retro`version 1.02.18E
13:25:39imulatordid you try to mount the sd slot?
13:26:07*markun got interested in implementing this:
13:26:07imulatoryes dont you know how to mount a drive?
13:26:10Retro`i can't see the mountpoint anywhere
13:26:20Retro`of the card slot
13:26:30Retro`that's wha i need assistance
13:26:46Retro`*that's why
13:26:48linuxstbIf you type "fdisk -l", does that show your card? (probably as root)
13:26:56Retro`let me see.,..
13:27:19imulatori do only know how to mount in german xD
13:27:23imulatorupd sry for xD
13:27:32imulatornot upd
13:28:04Retro`/dev/sda2 1017 1022 20480 84 OS/2 hidden C: drive
13:28:20Retro`/dev/sda1 is the player's partition
13:28:34Retro`so /dev/sda2 must be my MicroSD card
13:28:42Retro`how can i mount it?
13:28:58imulatordebian:~/rockbox/build_e200# patch < viewports-v4.1.diff
13:28:58imulatorcan't find file to patch at input line 5
13:28:58imulatorPerhaps you should have used the -p or −−strip option?
13:29:03imulatorwhat is this?
13:29:06rvvs89Retro`: man mount
13:29:19Retro`mount /dev/sda2
13:29:39linuxstbimulator: Try "patch -p0 < viewports-v4.1.diff"
13:29:48Retro`mount: can't find /dev/sda2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
13:29:54rvvs89Retro`: No, have a look at the manual
13:29:56linuxstbRetro`: No, /dev/sda2 is the "hidden" firmware partition.
13:30:10Retro`what now?
13:30:12linuxstbIf it was being shown, the card would be something like /dev/sdb
13:30:15Retro`please help me i am a noob
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13:30:38imulatorcan't find file to patch at input line 5
13:30:38imulatorPerhaps you should have used the -p or −−strip option?
13:30:53advcomp2019Retro`, did you insert the card right
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13:31:36linuxstbCan you see the card in Rockbox itself (or the original Sansa firmware)?
13:31:46rvvs89Retro`: mount is a very complex command, but in this case it will probably come down to something like: mkdir -p /media/sdcard && mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /media/sdcard
13:32:21rvvs89Oh yeah, and you have to run it as root, so put a sudo in front of it
13:32:30Retro`i did
13:32:47Retro`sudo mkdir -p /media/sdcard && mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /media/sdcard
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13:33:03Retro`response: mount: only root can do that
13:33:11rvvs89sudo -i
13:33:16rvvs89And then just enter it without sudo
13:33:48Retro`/bin/mkdir: /bin/mkdir: cannot execute binary file
13:34:00Retro`that was sudo -i mkdir -p /media/sdcard && mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /media/sdcard
13:34:09rvvs89No, no. Just sudo -i
13:34:14rvvs89That will give you a root shell
13:34:18rvvs89Then enter the command
13:35:01Retro`mount: No medium found
13:35:11rvvs89Then there's nothing there
13:35:23Retro`i have the card in the player (in the slot)
13:35:39linuxstbCan you see the card in Rockbox itself (or the original Sansa firmware)?
13:35:52rvvs89Well, check dmesg and see if it's being detected
13:35:59rvvs89And do that too
13:36:17Retro`let me try if it is detected by firmware
13:36:49Retro`ah shit
13:36:55Retro`Resreshin Database
13:37:05BigBambilinuxstb: Should v4.1 compile for gigabeat? It errors here (clean build fine)
13:37:33linuxstbIt _should_...
13:38:41linuxstbHmm, I didn't try a gigabeat target build - seems there is work needed...
13:38:41linuxstbThanks to all those "optimisations"...
13:38:55BigBambiIt wasn't me!
13:39:26Retro`linuxstb, the firmware claims the device has 3807 MB of Memory (with the MicroSD card in!)
13:39:36Retro`so no, it's not detected by firmware
13:39:57linuxstbAre you sure it's not in upside-down? I seem to recall people saying that's an easy mistake to make...
13:40:10rvvs893807 MB? Is it an SDHC card?
13:40:17Retro`it is really really properly inserted
13:40:22Retro`checked 5 times now
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13:41:22advcomp2019Retro`, do you have a card reader to try it in
13:41:22markunand formatted?
13:41:38Retro`advcomp2019, unfortunately no
13:41:46markunor doesn't the OF care about that?
13:42:16linuxstbBigBambi: Seems the fix is straightforward - I'll include it in my next update.
13:42:18Retro`rvvs89, the 3807 MB is the device's removable flash drive
13:42:26BigBambilinuxstb: Cool, cheers
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13:42:57rvvs89Retro`: Oh, right, sorry, I'm not too familiar with the Sansas
13:43:32advcomp2019Retro`, i am starting think it is the card or the card slot in the sansa
13:44:02Retro`advcomp2019, that the card or the card slot is what?
13:44:08Retro`advcomp2019, damaged?
13:44:31Retro`advcomp2019, no it can't be... it's a new player
13:44:42Retro`advcomp2019, it's not older then one month
13:45:00Retro`here's the thing
13:45:15advcomp2019Retro`, i have seen things like that before
13:45:20amiconnlinuxstb: Did you try to improve on the "optimised" 16 bit lcd_mono_bitmap_part()?
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13:47:52amiconnRetro`: Did you fully insert the card? Iirc those microsd cards can make you think you inserted them fully, when in fact you didn't. They click twice when inserting them
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13:48:33amiconnThe first stage is still electrically disconnected (probably for leaving the card in the slot without losing it)
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13:51:31Retro`wtf is that??
13:51:31Retro`everyone okay?
13:51:31BigBambiRetro`: Netsplit
13:51:31Retro`it was a netsplit, wasn't it?
13:51:32Retro`yeah thought so
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13:51:32linuxstbamiconn: ;)
13:51:33Retro`so are all my hopes in vain?
13:51:47amiconnThe first stage is still electrically disconnected (probably for leaving the card in the slot without losing it)
13:52:24linuxstbBigBambi: Can you try - that should be better...
13:52:31BigBambilinuxstb: Sure
13:52:54Retro`maybe this original software sux
13:52:58Retro`i need rockbox
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13:53:16kushal_12_27_200Hello, I think I have bricked my Sandisk Sansa c250. I a working on Mac OS X 10.4. I wanted to copy all files in the sansa disk to a place in the hard disk but I ended up deleting everything. I did not realize what I had done until it was too late. Have I bricked my mp3 player? Can I reverse this process? Please help ...
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13:54:10linuxstbkushal_12_27_200: You probably want to use Recovery mode -
13:54:34Retro`kushal_12_27_200, you need a tool like e200tool
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13:54:58Retro`kushal_12_27_200, i don't know if there's a c200tool as well
13:55:01BigBambilinuxstb: It gets further - it fails on test_viewports.c now
13:55:12advcomp2019Retro`, it might not be that bad tho
13:55:14Buscheldoes anyone know whether we can save some power when disabling the PLL in PP502x? i would like to use the 24MHz (default-setting) as normal clock and only activate the PLL for boosting. has somebody measured this somehow?
13:55:15linuxstbRetro`: He should try the recovery mode first though.
13:55:22BigBambilinuxstb: Shall I just remove that from SOURCES?
13:55:39linuxstbBigBambi: Yes, you can do. Can you pastebin the error though?
13:55:40Retro`linuxstb, i had removed the partitions on my device as well and bricked it
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13:56:01Retro`linuxstb, but then i resurrected it with the lovely e200tool of MrH
13:56:13advcomp2019kushal_12_27_200, yea.. try recovery mode like linuxstb said first
13:56:37Retro`linuxstb, if he bricked it, that means he can't boot it
13:56:55Retro`kushal_12_27_200, you need to restore the bootloader
13:57:26linuxstbBigBambi: Looks like a double-patch problem - if you look at test_viewports.c, is the code there twice?
13:57:33advcomp2019Retro`, i think he did not mess up the bootloader yet
13:57:41BigBambilinuxstb: Just checking
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13:58:02linuxstbIf you reverted a patch, you need to make sure test_viewports.c is deleted.
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13:58:11amiconnBuschel: I don't know. I wouldn't go 24MHz for the normal clock. ipod video ui is already slowish at 30 (that can be improved though)
13:58:35BigBambilinuxstb: 5 times :)
13:58:40Retro`kushal_12_27_200, hold Manu button for 15 second to turn off the device
13:58:43linuxstbBigBambi: That will do it ;)
13:58:47Retro`kushal_12_27_200, Menu button
13:58:49BigBambilinuxstb: Ah, OK - I just reverted
13:58:55BigBambiI'll delete it and try again
13:59:00Retro`kushal_12_27_200, if the device is not already off
13:59:26Buschelamiconn: nevertheless i'd like to test it just to know whether there is some gain... does somebody have the ability to test on a PP502x without runtime testing?
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13:59:40Retro`kushal_12_27_200, then lock the player and hold the REC button and hold it while you press the Menu button to start it
13:59:52Retro`then you+ll enter the recovery mode
14:00:07Retro`i gotta go
14:00:13Retro`be well
14:00:15Retro`bye ;)
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14:00:56kushal_12_27_200the problem is the disk does not even show up in the computer when I connect it
14:01:30linuxstbThat's what recovery mode may be able to fix. If it doesn't then you'll have to go one step further - use e200tool.
14:01:37advcomp2019kushal_12_27_200, did you try the recovery mode steps?
14:02:05kushal_12_27_200i am trying it again
14:02:09BigBambilinuxstb: It compiles fine now :)
14:02:53linuxstbBigBambi: Good, thanks for testing
14:03:01BigBambino problem
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14:05:20kushal_12_27_200I turned the device off and did exactly as said. There is no display. However, as before, the ligt on the navagation buttons are still there.
14:05:34kushal_12_27_200* light
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14:08:51advcomp2019kushal_12_27_200, so you will need to use the e200tool then
14:09:12kushal_12_27_200Could you link me?
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14:12:42advcomp2019kushal_12_27_200, i think this is what you need..
14:12:48kushal_12_27_200 says it is only for windows. Is there one for mac
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14:13:05kushal_12_27_200sorry, didn't see
14:13:23kushal_12_27_200thanks, advcomp2019
14:14:20advcomp2019kushal_12_27_200, i do not know if it will work on mac or not since i do not have a mac
14:17:49kushal_12_27_200the main problem is that the display on the sansa shows nothing and the computer does not even say there is a disk connected to it.
14:20:45kushal_12_27_200Advcomp2019, I don't understand the instructions for 0.1.3 or later.
14:23:52advcomp2019kushal_12_27_200, i think it is stuck in manufacturer mode and since i have not used that tool that much you might want to wait for someone else
14:24:13imulatori cant implement custom line patch
14:24:15imulatori get errors
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14:24:43BigBambiimulator: How old is the patch?
14:25:00BigBambiAnd are the errors along the lines of Hunk failed
14:25:38imulatorHunk #3 FAILED at 824.
14:25:41imulatorfor example
14:25:43BigBambithe patch needs synching - it is out of sync with current SVN
14:26:10BigBambiYou can either look at the .rej files and try and do it yourself, or wait and hope someone else does
14:26:28BigBambiWhat does the custom line patch do?
14:26:55imulatori thinks its similar to viewport
14:27:04imulatorbut viewport is better...
14:27:06BigBambiWhat player do you have?
14:27:13imulatorbut i need custom line for some themes
14:27:17imulatorsansa e260
14:27:43BigBambiYou could use the viewports patch then fix the theme you want to work with viewports
14:27:52BigBambiI think Custom Line is rather redundant now
14:28:21imulatormhh i get nervous^^
14:28:28imulatorif i do those things
14:28:41BigBambiI think you will find it easier to edit a WPS than sync a patch
14:29:28imulatori will wait until a official build with viewport comes
14:29:34imulatori have no time now
14:29:42BigBambiThat will be a few days probably
14:29:53BigBambibut the viewports patch applies great to current svn
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14:30:14advcomp2019kushal_12_27_200, you could look on the forums to see if they can help you too
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14:30:34imulatorbut i havent only trhe problem with custom line
14:30:37imulatorwith some others too
14:31:00imulatorand then if i want so MAKE then i get an error and no
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14:37:11linuxstbamiconn: Have you thought any more about how to handle the M3's lack of main LCD?
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14:41:58amiconnStill no new ideas
14:42:29Buschelsaratoga: you there?
14:42:30amiconnHandling the remote as the main lcd will make it easier to adapt graphical stuff, but make button handling quirky
14:42:49amiconn(unless the main buttons are handled as "remote" buttons and vice versa)
14:43:02linuxstbWhat buttons are available on the remote/main?
14:43:13amiconnAnd handling it as remote with no main lcd makes it easier to adapt the lcd driver
14:44:15amiconnThe remote is the same as all iaudio remotes: Mode, Rec (simple buttons), Rew/Play/Ffwd (Rocker switch), Vol-/Menu/Vol+ (rocker switch)
14:45:18amiconnThe main unit has one button less, and a different mechanical configuration: Play, Ffwd, Rew (front buttons), Rec (side button), Vol-/Mode/Vol+ (rocker switch)
14:45:45amiconnBoth main and remote have a separate hold switch (no combined Hold/Power switch on main like the M5 and X5)
14:46:00kushal_12_27_200 <kushal_12_27_200> Hello, I think I have bricked my Sandisk Sansa c250. I a working on Mac OS X 10.4. I wanted to copy all files in the sansa disk to a place in the hard disk but I ended up deleting everything. I did not realize what I had done until it was too late. Now when I turn the device on, it does not have anything in the display. Have I bricked my mp3 player? Can I reverse this process? Please help ...
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15:03:47conandohm.. i thought the new seeking patches were supposed to be already in the newest build?!
15:04:22BigBambiconando: As the commit message said and you were told yesterday, the internals are but the gui isn't
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15:04:55BigBambiconando: Sorry, that was rather more rude than I intended
15:05:07BigBambiNonetheless, the internals are there, the gui isn't
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15:11:05conandoBigBambi: i understood this.. nonetheless i thought at least simple backward/forward seeking would be possible already
15:11:32BigBambiconando: It sort of is, but only from the front menu when you set the resume point
15:11:36conandobut thanks for the clarification
15:11:37BigBambiI agree non-ideal
15:12:11BigBambiBut I haven't yet found it non-ideal enough to try and learn how to do anything about it :)
15:12:15conandoof course, the "old" way.. i was just looking forward to try out the new seeking functionality ;)
15:12:27BigBambiWell, it is much quicker
15:13:08conandoyes, that's what i noticed immediately, great work
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15:13:34conandoso i'm just going to wait for jhMikeS to finish the gui :)
15:13:37*BigBambi salutes jhMikeS
15:13:49*conando salutes too
15:14:15conandoah the pizza is ready.. brb ;)
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15:20:17Crash91does anyone else feel that "open source jukebox firmware" needs to be changed?
15:20:33BigBambinot really
15:20:36Crash91maybe something like "reclaim your music"?
15:20:48BigBambiFrom where?
15:20:57Crash91(yes, ripped from the firefox slogan)
15:21:07Crash91from uh.......itunes?
15:21:21BigBambiI've never needed to use itunes
15:21:25BigBambiI don't have an iPod
15:22:07BigBambiopen source jukebox firmware tells you what it does, reclaim your music contains no information in my mind
15:22:08Crash91me neither but....
15:22:30Crash91im just saying open source jukebox firmware doesnt sound that cool :P
15:22:42BigBambiIt is informative
15:23:02BigBambi"Cool" slogans that tell you nothing are pointless in my eyes
15:23:22hcsIt was going to be called "Rockbox AWESOME EXTREME LAZER", but narrowly voted down.
15:23:38BigBambinot only because it is laser
15:25:15Crash91 (hit ctrl+f and search for slogan)
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15:27:28conandoit's pretty much techie vs marketing... as always
15:29:57BigBambiAnd seeing as we aren't trying to flog it to people, personally I prefer a slogan that actually means something
15:30:04BigBambiNot that I have any say :)
15:30:36conandoyeah.. imagine the "support cases" if it would be a catchy slogan everyone finds cool :)
15:31:13Crash91Rockbox : OSDAPFW?
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15:51:25J-23Can I watch movies on Sansa c240?
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15:52:08EternalRainsi believe so, but the movies may be hard to see, considering the size of the screen
15:53:14J-23It hangs when I'm trying to play .mpg file
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15:53:38J-23Video size is near 132x80, smaller
15:54:13krazykitJ-23, is it encoded in mpeg2? does it play on your computer without problems?
15:55:37J-23Hmm... it's in MPEG-1
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15:55:46J-23my computer plays it
15:56:14J-23How can I convert to MPEG-2?
15:56:51EternalRainswhat operating system do you use?
15:57:17EternalRainscheck if you have the command ffmpeg
15:58:20J-23I'm installing it...
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16:01:02Crash91J-23: look on the MpegPlayer page in the wiki, if you have vlc, its easier IMO
16:01:27J-23I have installed ffmpeg.
16:04:10markunJ-23: there are also some sample videos for you to try
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16:05:20BigBambi_J-23: Make sure you have ffmpeg with mp3 support
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16:08:32J-23But they're too big for Sansa c240 screen
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16:30:59Crash91scorche|w: how long more for the timeout? :P
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17:46:31Crash91would it be easy to implement sin/cos/tan in the rockbox calculator?
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17:48:14billeniumwhat language are the games written in?
17:48:39billeniumi c
17:48:44billeniumthat makes sense
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17:52:59Crash91found this
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18:08:58Nico_Plinuxstb: would it be possible to draw the WPS in a viewport?
18:10:49linuxstbThe WPS is drawn into multiple viewports, as defined in the .wps file.
18:12:30Nico_Pyes, but I was thinking of something like a split screen with e.g. the WPS and the playlist
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18:13:04linuxstbSo which part of the WPS would you display?
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18:14:32advcomp2019i decided to try to make my own build using the vmware way but i got an error
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18:15:28Nico_Plinuxstb: I haven't thought much about it, I was simply wondering whether it would be possible
18:16:38advcomp2019this is the e200 build too..
18:17:25krazykitadvcomp2019, we need more than that.
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18:18:28advcomp2019i am having a hard to getting the copy/paste to work right
18:20:00linuxstbNico_P: This was discussed a little the other day, let me find the logs...
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18:21:01linuxstbNico_P: Yesterday morning, starting around 11.30am
18:21:06linuxstb(logbot time)
18:22:44jhMikeSBigBambi_/conando: The UI part is coming soon. It already works but just needs some display aspects worked out.
18:22:52Nico_Phmm JdGordon's comment on isn't available anymore
18:23:19BigBambi_jhMikeS: That's cool. I don't really use MPEGPlayer anyway :)
18:24:11linuxstbNico_P: That was just about having a single "struct viewport" instead of a separate "struct remote_viewport".
18:24:52linuxstbI've gone for the single "struct viewport" - I think the apps/ code would just get too messy otherwise.
18:24:53conandojhMikeS very nice!
18:25:16Nico_Plinuxstb: yeah I agree with that
18:25:42Nico_PjhMikeS: hi! congrats on the mpegplayer commit :)
18:25:48jhMikeSconando: how much of the screen should the statusbar cover at most anyway? I was thinking 20% at most.
18:26:00jhMikeSNico_P: thanks
18:26:15Nico_Pbtw, has your S arrived?
18:26:45jhMikeSNico_P: It had a couple weeks ago or so.
18:26:50ptw419does anyone know the legality of posting the ROM code for the S to the wiki?
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18:27:21Nico_PjhMikeS: cool :) have you tried sending custom code to it yet?
18:27:35linuxstbptw419: You mean a dissassembly? Or the actual firmware files?
18:27:59jhMikeSNico_P: not yet. I'm on one project at a time here. That should be the next thing I mess around with.
18:28:00ptw419the disassembly
18:28:18Nico_PjhMikeS: ok :)
18:28:23ptw419or the actual .bin if necessary
18:28:36linuxstbptw419: My feeling is that you shouldn't (in either case). It's not your code...
18:28:46ptw419yeah, thats what i was thinking...
18:29:30ptw419in any case, I did manage to get a dump of the S ROM code, if anyone has any questions...
18:30:09linuxstbIs that a flash ROM?
18:30:12Nico_Pptw419: do you know what code is in there? (ie when is it executed?)
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18:30:24ptw419hopefully this will help solve the big mystery of why the interrupts won't work
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18:30:44ptw419its the SecureROM starting at 0x0-0x3FFF
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18:32:06linuxstbDo you know what (at a high level) it does? i.e. is it the first-stage bootloader?
18:32:40ptw419it is the first stage bootloader, at poweron this is what the S runs I believe
18:33:16linuxstbI'm guessing by the name that we can't replace the code in that ROM?
18:33:40ptw419then I have ROM from 0x404000-0x407fff
18:33:59ptw419i don't believe so...
18:34:20ptw419i think maybe the code at 0x404000-0x407fff maybe, I don't know about the SecureROM
18:34:24linuxstbWhat would be very useful is a description of how the S boots, and which ROM(s) and file(s) are involved.
18:34:34J-23When I'm trying to encode AVI movie in 96 kbps MPG with 96 kbps MP3 sound in 25fps and rescale it to 132x80, I see "[mpeg2video @ 0x86ff430]buffer smaller than minimum size"
18:34:44J-23I'm using mencoder
18:35:03ptw419i haven't had a chance to review the code
18:35:16J-23mencoder durszlak.avi -of mpeg -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp2:abitrate=96:vmax_b_frames=16:vb_strategy=2 -af resample=44100:0:0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=96 -vf scale=132:80,harddup -ofps 25 -o durszlak.mpg
18:35:16ptw419just managed to get it last night
18:36:13J-23And I can't kill it with ^C.
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18:39:00krazykitJ-23, so kill it with kill.
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18:39:46J-23But why it returns this warning?
18:46:45soapBuschel, exactly the same runtime with hold on as with hold off.
18:49:47advcomp2019krazykit, i tried it again and it worked
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19:01:11J-23When I'm trying to encode AVI movie in 96 kbps MPG with 96 kbps MP3 sound in 25fps and rescale it to 132x80 with ffmpeg I see "[mpeg2video @ 0x54f550]MPEG1/2 does not support 15/1 fps"
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19:05:38linuxstbI think there's an option you need to enable for non-standard mpeg framerates.
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19:09:55Crash91J-23: i remember that you have to set the video bitrate to 600kbps
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19:14:14J-23-b 600k?
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19:19:26soapBuschel, we're talking exactly the same runtime to within less than 60 seconds.
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19:23:19Buschelsoap: that's a pitty :/ so, the USB-stuff does it.
19:24:53Buschelnext interesting thing for me is to not use the PLL and use 24MHz clock as "normal". my firsts builds were instable though
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19:28:51Buschelok, gotta go and party into the new year. have fun and see you 2008! :o)
19:29:17soapthanks for your work, Buschel
19:29:44Buschelthanks for your testing support, bye
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21:14:56MikeFdoes rockbox support the ipod classic?
21:15:37MikeFthe ones that are out now
21:15:49MikeFi dont know what generation it is or whatever its the IPod classic
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21:17:23MikeFanyone know?
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21:18:28scorche|wMikeF: read the front page...
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21:20:58J-23Apple: 1st through 5.5th generation iPod, iPod Mini and 1st generation iPod Nano
21:20:58J-23(not the Shuffle, 2nd/3rd gen Nano, Classic or Touch)
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21:22:01J-23MikeF: Classic is unsupported.
21:22:01MikeFoh crap
21:22:07MikeFdamn it
21:22:18MikeFwhat the hell is a 5th gen
21:22:25MikeFthey don't sell those anymore do they?
21:22:27J-23You can try iPodLinux
21:22:33scorche|wno you cant
21:22:41MikeFno, i just need it for the speech
21:22:45MikeFim a blind user
21:22:57MikeFad i have a sansa E200 was thinking of getting a clasic
21:22:58scorche|wMikeF: no they dont...they are the "ipod video"s
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21:23:43MikeFI could still get a video off amazon
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21:24:23scorche|wor ebay, although i wouldnt think the ipods are the most blind fri....bah
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22:42:03thewtexgreetings rockboxians
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23:06:23tvelocityhappy new year
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23:15:31billeniumrockbox is much better than ipodlinux
23:15:34billeniumthats my opinion
23:15:47AceDaPigi've never used either
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23:16:10billeniumid start out with rockbox
23:16:24billeniumyou can play videos, Gameboy games, all your songs, text files
23:16:55fenugrecis any work being done on the nano 2nd gen ?
23:17:30Lloreansoap: No color targets have a 24-bit screen, as far as I know.
23:17:48LloreanThe image he posted is 16-bit, it just has better dithering than his "16 bit" image.
23:17:50billeniumfenugrec: no, its encrypted too well
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23:18:09fenugrecah, that's too bad
23:18:11soapI didn't even look that deep (either at his photos or at the targets)
23:18:18soapI just know the Gigabeat isn't 24 bit.
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23:18:42Lloreansoap: As far as I know they're all 16-bit screens, and bitmaps are converted to framebuffer format on load, so they're 16-bit in RAM anyway
23:18:58LloreanThe second half of that is just what I've been told, though
23:20:41fenugrecit would be possible to write to the flash device directly, but even then we'd have no firmware to learn from
23:20:50fenugrec"flash device " - I mean the chip
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23:23:31Lloreanfenugrec: While it's not a written goal of Rockbox, I think most of the developers feel that a "proper" port can be installed without opening the player.
23:26:09fenugrecI guess so - and writing directly to a flash IC can be a job
23:27:09LloreanConsidering the requirement for special tools, it'd generally be much easier for someone to just buy a Rockbox supported player in the first place
23:27:25fenugrecAlthough - if we know the CPU is ARM-based, and we can read the firmware from the flash chip
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23:29:42fenugrecugh - I just saw a pic of the nano's inside - all of the important chips are BGA ... what a pain
23:31:04soapLlorean, did you see my earlier idea about a holiday cleaning of the "MOVED: xxxxxx" messages from the forums?
23:31:19soapFigured we could remove all the redirects more than 14 days old.
23:31:25Lloreansoap: Sounds like a decent idea.
23:31:32soapthere's still 10+ pages of search results for them.
23:32:02soapI've deleted all mine, and had started to "move" other people's, but might as well delete them.
23:32:11Lloreansoap: All 14+ day old moved topics notices have been removed.
23:32:21LloreanThere's a button for it. :)
23:32:24soapthat was fast
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23:33:10LloreanYou can remove All topics not posted in for X days old that are either "Any sort", "Moved topic notices" or "Locked"
23:33:51soapThat was really easy
23:34:09LloreanThere are a few buried option that are really nice, like that one.
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23:51:32billeniumcan someone give me the link to the ipodpatcher?
23:51:36billeniumrockbox is not working for me
23:52:07saratogai think its in the manual's install section
23:52:34billeniumyes it is
23:52:39billeniumbut the site isnt working for me
23:52:55billeniumi should have said rockbox site
23:54:49billeniumis the ipodpatcher.exe open source?
23:55:04scorche|wof course...
23:55:15billeniumwhere is it?
23:57:58LloreanIn the Rockbox svn

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