#rockbox 2007-12-31

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00:18:51	MrKeuner	Alonea: this cassette looks really good thanks
00:19:10	Alonea	MrKeuner: no problem.
00:19:44	Alonea	MrKeuner: and its pretty easy to edit the wps to 12 hour time and US date format if he is picky about that kind of stuff.
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00:33:30	Mouser_X	CodecPerformanceComparison is one of the (very few) reasons I'd consider getting a Wiki account. The ADX codec should be added to the list.
00:33:44	Mouser_X	There's an ADX encoder available.
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00:41:21	MrKeuner	is it possible to encode into ogg or mp3 in rockbox when recording?
00:41:28	markun	nope
00:41:33	markun	well, mp3 I think
00:41:47	linuxstb	You can encode to mp3.
00:42:10	markun	speex would be interesting
00:42:14	MrKeuner	linuxstb: is a matter of setting or do I need to upload additional binaries?
00:42:21	linuxstb	markun: Have you looked at the existing multi-fonts patch?
00:42:27	markun	linuxstb: nope
00:42:50	linuxstb	MrKeuner: It's just a matter of a setting in the recording options. You have the choice (IIRC) of recording to WAV, lossless wavpack or MP3.
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00:44:57	markun	linuxstb: I wonder how fast the flac encoder from ffmpeg could be in rockbox
00:45:20	linuxstb	I'm pretty sure it's floating point...
00:45:22	Mouser_X	Speex would be interesting, but it's not optimised for 22050 hz. Isn't that what the Sansa records in?
00:46:40	Mouser_X	If speex were implemented, wouldn't it be better to downsample the recording, for the above reason?
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00:46:45	markun	linuxstb: yes, you are right :(
00:46:51	Mouser_X	(Or should it be upsampled?)
00:46:52	markun	quite a lot of double's
00:48:11	markun	Mouser_X: jmspeex thinks that 16kHz should be used, but I prefer the sound at 32kHz
00:48:21	linuxstb	I wonder if many people use the wavpack recording feature - 20/40GB is a lot of recording...
00:49:43	Mouser_X	If I record, I use MP3.
00:49:54	Mouser_X	markun: Interesting to know.
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00:51:54	Mouser_X	SoundCodecs is the other reason I'd consider getting a Wiki account. I'd either add, or fixup, some of the "SoundCodec***" pages.
00:52:41	Mouser_X	(Yes, I have only 2 reasons to get a wiki account, and both are codec related. It's one of the biggest reasons I use Rockbox, after all.)
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00:53:58	linuxstb	What's stopping you? ;)
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00:57:36	Mouser_X	For me, 2 reasons isn't enough.
00:59:32	linuxstb	Then they're not reasons...
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01:25:04	MrKeuner	My dad is happy with rockbox on his new sansa e250 thank you people for the good work
01:25:06	MrKeuner	good night
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02:03:08	BrianHV	how likely is a 6G iPod port to happen anytime soon?
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02:04:12	Mouser_X	None whatsoever.
02:04:32	BrianHV	good.
02:04:33	Mouser_X	It has encrypted firmware, and no one has broken the encyrption.
02:04:36	*	BrianHV keeps searching for a 5G
02:04:57	BrianHV	on that note, anyone know where I can find an 80GB 5G? ;)
02:05:45	Mouser_X	Once the encryption is broken, they then need to disassemble it, to find out how it ticks. Once they've done that, they need to figure out how to bypass the security of the device, so that they can run their own code on it.
02:05:57	Mouser_X	Etc. Etc.
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02:13:39	m1ke	I am following the install instruction for an Ipod 30gb. I am trying to compile RockBoxUtility and the command qmake is not working.
02:15:00	m1ke	The direction say simply to type the command qmake. It pretty much display the man page when I type that command. Here is the top. Usage: qmake-qt4 [mode] [options] [files]
02:17:09	linuxstb	Where are you typing it? (i.e. what directory)?
02:17:23	linuxstb	And is there a reason you need to compile it yourself?
02:17:25	m1ke	rbuiltqt-v1.02 after extracting
02:17:46	m1ke	Instructions say I needed to compile for linux users, no?
02:18:25	linuxstb	I don't know, but a binary is here - http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/linux/
02:19:35	m1ke	chmod +x
02:19:38	m1ke	k
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02:33:21	m1ke	I run the ./rbutilqt and I have it auto detect my setting. My device is mounted and selected. I then go to the Quick Start tab and select Complete Installation. I get a dialog box saying that "It seem your Bootloader is already up to date. Do you relaly want to install it?"
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02:34:15	BrianHV	is there recommended hardware to get to run rockbox? >40GB is preferable
02:34:33	BrianHV	(I'm in the US, if it matters)
02:34:43	Llorean	Depends almost entirely on your requirements from it
02:34:50	Llorean	The BuyersGuide wiki page is a good starting point
02:35:04	BrianHV	ah, missed that one. I'll check it out
02:36:21	m1ke	I selected "ignore' I starts installing then stops at "No valid themes found."
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02:39:25	m1ke	What is going wrong with this Auto Full install?
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02:44:00	Mouser_X	Sounds like nothing, to me. So it can't find themes. It sounds like it worked anyway though.
02:44:07	Mouser_X	(I've never used it.)
02:44:42	m1ke	Where does the RobkBox Gui wizard look for the themes at?
02:45:00	Mouser_X	Also, it downloads the themes from http://www.rockbox-themes.org which is currently over its bandwidth limit. Thus, no themes, since it closed out hte iPod 5g group.
02:45:05	m1ke	I look at the hidden files in my mounted Ipod and it shows them there.
02:45:29	Mouser_X	I would suggest that you look at the wiki to download themes.
02:45:33	m1ke	That make sense. I am trying to install Ipod 5gen
02:45:45	Mouser_X	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras
02:46:07	Mouser_X	Specifically, you'll want the WpsGallery.
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02:51:36	m1ke	What do I do know? Since this installer is stop at the failed theme section?
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03:07:50	aliask-	What's the status of the FM radio on the c200 series?
03:10:58	Mouser_X	Last I knew, it worked, but I could be wrong.
03:13:43	Llorean	Works for me.
03:13:49	Llorean	Or did, last time I checked
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03:24:11	aliask-	On mine it's completely off - I tuned to ~100mhz and it was picking up a radio station that should be broadcasting at 91.5
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03:28:08	Llorean	Are you using an absolutely current build?
03:28:21	aliask-	Installed today using RbUtil
03:28:31	Llorean	I know with builds a few weeks back there were problems like that, but I thought something was fixed about that. Maybe I'm wrong.
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06:08:55	sevenwords	hello everyone
06:09:10	psycho_maniac	hello sevenwords
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06:24:18	webguest82	anyone there
06:24:40	advcomp2019	webguest82, there is many people
06:24:56	webguest82	hi
06:25:10	webguest82	hi
06:25:34	advcomp2019	webguest82, do you have a question
06:26:50	webguest82	hey is anyone there
06:27:04	Mouser_X	Yes, there are. Lots and lots and lots.
06:27:07	krazykit	webguest82, please read the guidelines.
06:27:10	Mouser_X	You're ignoring them when they answer.
06:27:17	Alonea	webguest82: do you have a question?
06:28:10	webguest82	how is the status on sansa view coming
06:28:36	krazykit	webguest82, read the forum thread in the New Ports forum. that will have the most up-to-date information
06:28:56	webguest82	how is the status on sansa view coming
06:29:05	webguest82	yes
06:29:26	krazykit	webguest82, please do not repeat your questions.
06:29:29	psycho_maniac	please do not ask the same question twice
06:29:51	Mouser_X	For that matter, please don't every repeat yourself if at all possible.
06:29:58	webguest82	sorry this must be a little slow
06:30:51	Alonea	webguest82: connection doing strange things for you? ah. be a bit patient then or maybe reset it?
06:31:36	webguest82	sorry this must be a little slow
06:32:14	webguest82	k I am sorry this is the first time I have been in a web chat
06:33:35	webguest82	I checked the fourms
06:34:11	webguest82	how do I chat
06:34:29	webguest82	oh yeah just type and press enter
06:34:37	krazykit	webguest82, if it wasn't obvious, you already are. if you don't have a question related to rockbox, please don't stray offtopic.
06:35:52	webguest82	I am using ff
06:35:57	webguest82	not ie
06:36:19	Alonea	webguest82: most people use ff. now please stay on topic.
06:37:26	webguest82	you all may know that amazon is selling the e200 v2's now
06:37:53	Mouser_X	webguest82: This doesn't concern Rockbox...
06:37:53	advcomp2019	webguest82, most of them are now
06:38:01	webguest82	I thought thet were selling the v1's
06:38:15	webguest82	ok
06:38:19	Alonea	webguest82: unfortunately v2 is not compatible with rockbox. you can get a v1 from newegg though.
06:38:32	*	Mouser_X got one from woot.
06:38:37	Mouser_X	*2
06:39:02	webguest82	to me it does
06:39:26	webguest82	I want to put rockbox on v1 sansa e250
06:39:49	webguest82	for someone for Christmas
06:39:51	Mouser_X	Which is a good place to put it. That is, as opposed to your pants. I don't recommend putting it there.
06:40:03	webguest82	lucky
06:40:06	Alonea	webguest82: installation instructions can be found in the manual.
06:40:53	webguest82	but I told her that sooner or later she will be able to use rockbox
06:41:17	Mouser_X	Alonea: Since he's complaining about the v2 being sold at Amazon, that impies to me he's got a v2, from Amazon (this would be how they know).
06:41:27	Mouser_X	Thus, if I'm right, Rockbox can't be installed on it.
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06:42:02	Alonea	Mouser_X: seems that way. I got my dads from newegg. he is quite pleased with it.
06:42:04	krazykit	webguest82, ports are not planned: people with the devices and the skills necessary to port have to do the work.
06:42:33	Alonea	Mouser_X: and V2s cant be made into V1s since its different hardware. ^__^
06:43:06	webguest82	do you know that mpeg player is having problems
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06:43:34	webguest82	I am that upset just surprised
06:43:55	Alonea	webguest82: all of rockbox is still being developed so it is obvious some parts will have bugs. mpeg player hasn't been around that long.
06:44:01	Mouser_X	Understandable. I'd be rather "put out" if I didn't get what I was expecting...
06:44:31	webguest82	a v1 or v2
06:44:33	webguest82	I know
06:45:22	Mouser_X	webguest82: So, are you certain that the one you have is a v2?
06:45:29	Mouser_X	(It doesn't hurt to make sure.)
06:45:33	webguest82	the player shuts off in the middle of a video
06:45:54	webguest82	oh k
06:45:59	webguest82	I like it though
06:46:02	Mouser_X	webguest82: Are you using Rockbox's Mpegplayer? If yes, what device are you using it on?
06:46:12	Alonea	webguest82: hmmm...er, maybe battery ran out? haven't had that happen
06:46:32	Mouser_X	Alonea: I've had it crash during a video before, but that was awhile ago.
06:46:47	webguest82	yes it is because the wheel fills different
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06:46:58	Alonea	Mouser_X: ah.
06:47:00	webguest82	it is not mine it is a friends
06:47:18	webguest82	sansa e280 v1
06:47:28	webguest82	no
06:47:37	Alonea	webguest82: there is a way to know for sure. you look under the info screen and if its 3 point something, its V2
06:47:56	webguest82	it did not do it until the changes were made on the 29th
06:48:52	Alonea	webguest82: it happens. have you updated it again to see if its fixed already?
06:49:29	webguest82	I like that the videos run at 25fps now
06:49:58	psycho_maniac	webguest82: what player?
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06:50:15	Alonea	psycho_maniac: I think he said sansa e280
06:50:45	psycho_maniac	yeah videos player pretty good on the e200 series with rockbox
06:50:46	webguest82	ther one i have is the v1
06:50:51	webguest82	my friends is the v2
06:51:24	webguest82	not yet hold on
06:53:04	Alonea	psycho_maniac: I am still in love with my gigabeat of course. pretty good screen size.
06:53:13	Mouser_X	Indeed.
06:53:24	Mouser_X	I have a Sansa, but the Gigabeat is where it's at (for me).
06:54:14	Alonea	Mouser_X: indeed. I am pretty much attached to it and my mogul. don't leave home without it.
06:54:48	Mouser_X	I need a bigger HDD on my Gigabeat...
06:54:58	psycho_maniac	yeah the gigeabeat owns but mine is broke so im stuck with my sansa for now till i can buy another gigabeat
06:55:23	Mouser_X	psycho_maniac: Why didn't you sell it to toffe82?
06:55:31	webguest82	it just did it
06:55:52	webguest82	what about the view?
06:55:58	Alonea	psycho_maniac: awwww! my case now includes a bit of duct tape holding it together, but its still kicking.
06:56:02	psycho_maniac	i havnt been able to find all the parts yet.
06:56:14	webguest82	I want one
06:56:21	krazykit	webguest82, the view is not supported, and thus offtopic.
06:56:28	Mouser_X	webguest82: What version of Rockbox are you running? You can check by going into the main menu, and checking the "info" there.
06:56:42	psycho_maniac	haah yeah when i had mine i had scotch tape holding it together. those dumb tabs kept breaking
06:57:06	Mouser_X	Dang. Mine is still just fine. Faded, but fine otherwise.
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06:57:21	Mouser_X	(The paint is coming off in areas, and it's turning black there.)
06:57:42	Alonea	psycho_maniac: I know! I hate it...I would glue it, but that requires effort and getting fingers sticky.
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06:58:09	webguest82	does the sansa view screen the same size as the gigabeat
06:58:27	psycho_maniac	yeah i would of glued mine but i took it apart a lot
06:58:39	webguest82	the latest one
06:58:40	Mouser_X	webguest82: Not to my knowledge. However, the Sansa view is off topic.
06:59:33	ptw419	if i have a dump of an OF ROM
06:59:33	psycho_maniac	the next one i get i will very carefully take the bottom and top pieces off.
06:59:39	webguest82	r15983
06:59:44	ptw419	would it be legal to post it onto the wiki?
06:59:55	ptw419	or would that be a bad idea?
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07:00:12	Alonea	psycho_maniac: indeed. I am thinking about doing that battery thing though. if I get time or the patience.
07:00:55	psycho_maniac	Alonea: you were the one i was talking to about the hard drive upgrade?
07:01:28	webguest82	there is a bug on the sansa sometimes the fm radio does not show up
07:01:45	Alonea	psycho_maniac: umm, have no idea. probably not. my memory is shot. I am lucky to remember a few hours ago.
07:02:03	Alonea	psycho_maniac: is there a way to get a bigger hdd in there?
07:02:07	psycho_maniac	no that was moos
07:02:12	Mouser_X	webguest82: Update Rockbox. You've got an old build.
07:02:35	psycho_maniac	yes. you can go up to 80gigs that i know of with the F40s or any F series i believe
07:02:36	webguest82	I have to go into the of then back into rockbox to have it show up
07:02:37	*	Mouser_X is wrong.
07:02:57	Mouser_X	Sorry, I was wrong. 15983 is the newest build.
07:03:01	Alonea	psycho_maniac: oooooo...guessing there is an article somewhere in the wiki?
07:03:25	Mouser_X	Alonea: It's not hard.
07:03:37	Mouser_X	Just open your Gigabeat, unplug the drive, and plug the new one in.
07:03:45	psycho_maniac	HardDriveUpgrade shows the hard drives
07:04:06	psycho_maniac	actually depending on the drive you might have to format it
07:04:11	Mouser_X	(Of course, you still have to be sure to put the OF on the new drive, for the Gigabeat to actually work.)
07:04:30	webguest82	I did
07:04:46	psycho_maniac	yeah it was pretty easy for me I upgraded mine to a 80gig if i didnt say already
07:04:47	webguest82	I used the rockbox utility
07:04:53	Alonea	Mouser_X: oh, I am sure. I just need instructions so I don't mess up. Its more or less getting the right hdd. do you need to get a special one or will any do?
07:05:27	webguest82	k
07:05:39	Alonea	psycho_maniac: nice. I will think about it at some point along with that battery upgrade, but not this week. probably in a few months when I can get my life sorted out more.
07:05:48	psycho_maniac	Alonea: look up HardDriveUpgrade in the wiki it will tell you what hard drives you can use
07:06:10	psycho_maniac	good luck finding a 80 though for a decent price.
07:06:34	Alonea	psycho_maniac: awww...and here I thought hdds were getting cheap
07:06:58	Mouser_X	Alonea: There's pretty much only 1 kind of drive to choose from, for the Gigabeat F.
07:07:08	Alonea	waait a minute...looks at laptop with 80 in it
07:07:12	Mouser_X	Of course, you do still need to know what model it'd be.
07:07:19	psycho_maniac	mine wasnt too bad 180 i think. but ive seen some over 200 bucks
07:07:44	psycho_maniac	MK8007GAH <−−-this is the 80gig toshiba
07:08:13	Mouser_X	GAH!!! <−−- This is what I always think when I see those model numbers...
07:08:58	Alonea	psycho_maniac: ah. the one in my laptop is a fujitsu MHV2080AH
07:09:20	psycho_maniac	why is that Mouser_X?
07:10:35	Mouser_X	psycho_maniac: As in "GAH!!! Why did I do that?!"
07:10:49	psycho_maniac	ahh i see now
07:10:56	Mouser_X	Aka - similar to "Argh!"
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07:13:09	dqhpmp	k iam back
07:13:58	Mouser_X	dqhpmp: Now that you're back, do you have a specific question? I couldn't tell if we were able to resolve your issue or not.
07:14:07	Alonea	psycho_maniac: I was unable to find the wiki page on it.
07:14:15	psycho_maniac	wiki page on what?
07:14:30	Alonea	psycho_maniac: hard drive replacement for gigabeat
07:14:44	psycho_maniac	ah thats because i geave you the wrong name the correct one is....http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=HardDriveReplacement
07:14:51	dqhpmp	did u get the bug about the fm radio
07:15:05	Mouser_X	I saw you mention it, but I have nothing to say on that.
07:15:45	Mouser_X	dqhpmp: Not only do I rarely use my Sansa, I use the radio far less... I haven't (intentionally) listened to the radio in 10+ years.
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07:17:24	dqhpmp	oh ok
07:18:05	dqhpmp	I only have an e280 so I can only see that on it
07:18:27	dqhpmp	k
07:19:02	dqhpmp	I am just letting you all know
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07:20:02	dqhpmp	how come I can't turn the bass or the treble up like I could on the ipod nano
07:20:17	dqhpmp	if I turn it up I get distortion
07:20:20	Alonea	hmm, technically couldn't you get a 120 gig, though it would make it bulky
07:20:32	Mouser_X	dqhpmp: Again, not something I can answer, since I don't use those options.
07:20:50	Mouser_X	Alonea: No, because you need a 50-pin hard drive.
07:20:51	dqhpmp	I used to have ipod nano with rockbox on it
07:21:16	Alonea	Mouser_X: there is a 50 pin 120 I saw, though it had a question mark by it
07:21:30	dqhpmp	oh ok
07:21:45	Mouser_X	Ah, right. I think it's brand spanking new or very rare.
07:22:06	Mouser_X	I seem to recall someone mentioning it a few days ago.
07:22:48	Mouser_X	Maybe you could create your own custom back piece, so that that HDD would fit your Gigabeat?
07:22:58	Alonea	Mouser_X: yeah, by Samsung. that would be sweet, but man, I don't think I would ever fill it up
07:23:14	Alonea	Mouser_X: I think I was wrong. its 8mm, and isn't the gigabeat 8mm?
07:23:15	Mouser_X	I would.
07:23:32	Alonea	Mouser_X: at least the F-40 is
07:23:33	Mouser_X	I have over 100 GB of MP3s alone, let alone other formats I have.
07:24:14	Alonea	Mouser_X: I am sure I could fill it if I really tried.
07:24:23	Alonea	Mouser_X: but I would need a few hours...
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07:24:39	Alonea	Mouser_X: got a bunch of cds I could rip onto it.
07:25:23	Mouser_X	Yes, according to that page, the F40 uses a 8mm 1.8 inch drive.
07:26:04	Mouser_X	Alonea: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Samsung-120-GB-1-8-Hard-Drive-SpinPoint-HS122JC_W0QQitemZ230206818354QQihZ013QQcategoryZ42184QQcmdZViewItem
07:26:33	Alonea	Mouser_X: gets sparkly eyes now to dish out the dough is a whole nother story...
07:26:55	Mouser_X	Indeed...
07:27:11	Mouser_X	The other problem is confirming that it does actually have a 50-pin port.
07:27:15	Mouser_X	*connection.
07:27:24	Alonea	Mouser_X: I am checking it out right now
07:27:36	Mouser_X	For $213, I'm not sure I'd want to risk it without knowing for sure first.
07:30:02	Alonea	Mouser_X: gonna see if I can ask them
07:35:36	Mouser_X	Alonea: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/productmodel.do?group=72&type=60&subtype=68&model_cd=266&tab=fea#
07:36:10	Mouser_X	It uses PATA, and doesn't say it uses ZIF (the HS122JB uses ZIF).
07:36:29	Alonea	Mouser_X: yeah, it just says its PATA, but not number of pins. I am using the contact us and see if I get a response.
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07:40:24	Mouser_X	Alonea: http://www.spinpointwave.com/product/lineup_02.asp
07:40:34	Mouser_X	Looks like it's ZIF. :(
07:40:35	Alonea	Mouser_X: I also ask about the other 2 questionables.
07:42:54	Alonea	Mouser_X: awww...
07:43:02	Mouser_X	Indeed.
07:43:29	Mouser_X	For $213, though expensive (for me), I would have considered it.
07:44:26	Alonea	Mouser_X: indeed.
07:45:09	Alonea	Mouser_X: who knows, maybe its impossible to have over 80 due to voltage or some technical thing I don't understand.
07:45:21	Alonea	at least 50 pin stuff.
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07:45:33	Mouser_X	Naw. 50-pin drives are old.
07:45:48	Mouser_X	It's just that they're moving (moved?) to a new standard.
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07:47:22	Alonea	Mouser_X: ah. ok. see. know nothing about this stuff. I am still upset that DDR is so expensive. anyway, I might consider an 80, just don't know yet.
07:57:42	Alonea	Mouser_X: then again, is it worth 170+ bucks?
07:58:18	Mouser_X	For an 80 GB drive? Depends on how much you need that much space.
07:59:08	Mouser_X	For $200, I'd say the 120 GB would be worth it (if it only had the right connector!). However, I don't think I'd pay $200 for an 80 GB drive.
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07:59:30	Alonea	Mouser_X: me neither.
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08:00:25	Alonea	night!
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09:00:10	Llorean	lcd_remote_lcd_blah to lcd_remote_blah
09:00:49	JdGordon	bah
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09:34:07	amiconn	Some refined details regarding the new greyscale lib: * it will have 129 levels of grey (not 128 as I thought) * there will no more buffered vs. unbuffered mode
09:36:06	amiconn	That is, I might still implement both modes, but the functions could then be mixed with no unexpected effects
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09:53:11	Llorean	amiconn: Is the purpose of this redesign speed, or just increased color depth as it were, or some other intent?
09:54:00	amiconn	Increased depth, faster updates, no graininess with changing content, and lower ram usage
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10:49:22	woodensoul	hey guys, I just posted my 2nd WPS to the wiki, but when I try to DL it, I get a 404 not found error
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10:49:45	woodensoul	AA_Grey.zip is the file and I did upload it prior to editing the wiki page
10:49:53	woodensoul	iriver 1x0 series gallery
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10:54:27	woodensoul	I had .ZIP, and changing it to .zip worked.
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11:46:31	TroyMcClure12	how does one enable album art? and is it possible for rockbox to read embedded album art yet?
11:47:17	davzie	TroyMcClure12, I beleive i read somewhere that the art needs to be converted.
11:47:24	davzie	Hey guys, just a quick question. I love Rockbox to bits however there is one thing that completely puts me off switching and that's because I use Rockbox whilst driving. I have a Sony headunit that uses the Xplod system to communicate with the default iPod Firmware. I also have a standard AUX jack but the quality of the music is considerably less than that of the dock connector. Rockbox doesn't do anything when I plug in the old pod to the dock connector in
11:47:24	davzie	the car. Is this something you guys know about?
11:49:15	linuxstb	davzie: Yes, see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories
11:49:35	linuxstb	TroyMcClure12: See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt
11:53:02	davzie	THanks linuxstb! I'll have to have a fiddle. Also do iPod's have the abliity to record audio? It seems it does, there's menus for it.
11:53:43	davzie	And christ, database movement can be slow.
11:55:20	linuxstb	Some ipods can record - what do you have?
11:58:12	davzie	A 80gig 5.5 g =)
11:58:37	linuxstb	Then you can record via the line-in pins hidden in the dock connector at the bottom of your ipod. You'll need a special cable/adapter.
11:59:16	b0nx	I was just having a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories
11:59:30	b0nx	is there any update for Remote Control of the Ipod?
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11:59:50	linuxstb	b0nx: No, no-one is working on it.
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12:00:00	b0nx	fair enough
12:00:06	b0nx	Thanks linuxstb
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12:00:43	davzie	Interesting. I knew there to be a recording function in it somewhere = /
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12:04:07	imulator	i am creating a wps how can i define the position of the artist text etc?
12:04:16	imulator	and the lenght
12:07:56	soap	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking
12:08:37	soap	I don't know if you are talking horizontal or vert. position.
12:09:17	soap	Also mind you Viewports are an up-and-coming feature which will revolutionize the way WPSs are made and what they can do.
12:10:20	soap	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ViewPortsDesign http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ViewPorts http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8385
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12:11:24	imulator	ok thank you i will read them
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12:11:33	linuxstb	imulator: As Soap said, viewports are close (I hope) to being committed, so you may want to look at patch 8385, and develop your WPS to use viewports. It will also be helpful to me if someone can test these new features and provide feedback.
12:12:45	imulator	i dont mean viewport
12:13:11	imulator	do you know the theme kratojet?
12:13:39	linuxstb	No, but I'm guessing it uses the unofficial "custom line" patch?
12:14:00	imulator	yes
12:14:08	imulator	i thinks this is custom line
12:14:17	imulator	think**
12:14:24	linuxstb	That patch will never be part of official Rockbox - viewports will implement that functionality in a better way, so if you want your theme to work in official Rockbox builds, you should use viewports.
12:14:40	imulator	mhh ok
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12:15:02	imulator	is viewport implemented?
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12:15:07	davzie	I was put off using Rockbox when I once got it confused for iPod Linux, which is quite frankly next to useless.
12:15:22	imulator	i have chrisjs build
12:15:29	soap	<linuxstb> imulator: As Soap said, viewports are close (I hope) to being committed,
12:15:53	linuxstb	imulator: I'm working on it currently - it's partially implemented, and I hope to commit it to SVN in about 2 or 3 days time, assuming no big problems come up.
12:16:11	imulator	ok
12:16:26	soap	i also linked the flyspray entry for linuxstb's work-in-progress, which is quite useable on your machine.
12:16:43	imulator	sansa e200?
12:17:07	soap	yes, there is little which might change for your player.
12:17:50	imulator	how is the tag for viewport?
12:17:58	imulator	oh what is the tag
12:18:02	imulator	%V?
12:18:06	soap	It in described in the link to the FS entry
12:18:12	linuxstb	It's described on that flyspray page - you can also look at the jClix_Night_VP WPS I attached.
12:18:38	imulator	ok ill look
12:19:12	imulator	if i understood right color mp3 player are supported?
12:19:55	davzie	linuxstb, did you create the jClix themes?
12:20:00	soap	yes, your sansa e200 (I figured out a long time ago that was your player based on the custom build you mentioned) is fully supported.
12:20:13	linuxstb	davzie: No, I just adapted one of them for the new viewports feature.
12:20:24	imulator	yes i have a custum build
12:20:28	imulator	ok i will try the wps
12:20:32	davzie	Ah I see, I was going to ask if you were why your custom build just bricked my rockbox installation :0
12:21:21	linuxstb	Aren't those builds very old?
12:21:49	imulator	ok the wps doesnt work
12:21:59	imulator	i have default wps
12:22:13	imulator	mhh the build date says 27.12.07
12:22:27	imulator	12.11.07
12:22:29	imulator	sorry
12:22:39	linuxstb	What build are you using? That theme is for a 220x176 device, and also needs to have my viewports patch applied.
12:22:57	imulator	i have chrisjs
12:23:11	imulator	doesnt has viewport
12:23:45	imulator	mhh what build would you advise me?
12:24:07	davzie	Yes they are dead old but I just wanted something that looked nice like they do, lots of eye-candy, that's all that matters to me really. I installed the theme but all that changed was the background, the now playing screen was the same boring look etc, I'm not sure how to get it looking like it does people's screenshots. I read about patches but that requires you to compile from source which I really can't be asked to be doing, yeh I'm lazy.
12:24:34	linuxstb	There are lots of decent themes that work with the official builds.
12:24:44	imulator	i had kugels build fpr a while
12:24:56	imulator	but it got lagging and crashed often
12:25:08	imulator	so i changed to chrisjs
12:25:31	davzie	All offline though on the Rockbox website and I can't find any alternative sources.
12:25:33	imulator	i dont mean advise i wanted to say recommend
12:25:54	imulator	what build is good?
12:26:00	linuxstb	imulator; The only build I would recommend is the official one...
12:26:20	linuxstb	For viewports, you will need to apply the patch yourself (for the next few days anyway), and compile your own build.
12:26:22	imulator	but there are no patches
12:26:28	linuxstb	Exactly...
12:26:40	imulator	and i dont understand how to implement a patch
12:26:55	imulator	i read a manual
12:26:57	imulator	but..
12:27:06	imulator	the commands i dont have them in dos
12:27:40	linuxstb	You need to setup a development environment - for Windows users this means either Cygwin or VMware with Linux.
12:28:03	imulator	i have vmware with linux
12:28:18	imulator	should i start it now`
12:28:19	imulator	?
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12:28:34	linuxstb	imulator: Is that the Rockbox vmware, or something you installed yourself?
12:29:01	imulator	rockbox vmware?
12:29:07	imulator	no i have vmware server
12:29:15	imulator	and virtual mashine has linux
12:29:40	linuxstb	I meant the rockbox development vmware image - a version of Linux with the Rockbox development tools installed.
12:30:07	imulator	no where can i get it?
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12:30:42	linuxstb	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform
12:31:37	imulator	ok 5 minutes iwill have it
12:32:56	linuxstb	The first thing you should do is follow the instructions there to compile your own Rockbox build without any patches. Once you can do that, you can try to apply the viewports patch and compile a version of Rockbox with viewports. Later you can add other patches if you want. But I would recommend taking it one step at a time...
12:34:26	imulator	ok thank you
12:34:41	linuxstb	davzie: 5g WPSs are available here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g and http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/index.php?res=320x240x16
12:34:53	imulator	5g?
12:35:08	imulator	oh
12:35:10	imulator	not to me
12:35:14	imulator	sorry
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12:44:07	imulator	ok it is started
12:44:49	imulator	is there a internet browser?
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12:45:44	davzie	linuxstb, thanks, I'm taking a look now but I'm a bit confused, stuff like "Rayboradio" on http://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 requires a "custom build". It looks the tits but I can't just "install it".
12:49:03	linuxstb	davzie: Yes, some of the themes need custom builds, I'm just saying that a lot of "decent" themes don't. The choice is yours...
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12:51:42	davzie	Hmm =) okay thanks for you help! Just going to start looking for some decent customs now :)
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12:54:42	imulator	if i have downloaded the build is it comatible with sansa?
12:55:14	linuxstb	Which build?
12:55:46	imulator	i run svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox
12:55:52	imulator	so its downloading something
12:56:07	linuxstb	Yes, there is only a single Rockbox source code used for all builds.
12:56:28	linuxstb	When you compile, you choose which target you're compiling for.
12:57:09	imulator	ah i understand
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12:58:54	imulator	so i dont mkdir build_h120 but i mkdir build_e200??
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13:01:21	linuxstb	Yes, you can call it anything you like though. The important thing is the target you choose in the ../tools/configure step.
13:02:42	imulator	ok
13:03:19	imulator	oh i see i can choose now ;-)
13:03:50	imulator	build version normal?
13:04:04	linuxstb	Yes
13:04:34	linuxstb	Or "simulator" for a version you can run on your PC - that's easier for WPS development...
13:05:17	imulator	i want for my sansa... simulator i can make later
13:05:34	imulator	so if i have my build i can implement patches?
13:05:53	linuxstb	Yes
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13:07:55	imulator	takes a long time i see
13:08:08	BigBambi	depends on your pc
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13:09:12	imulator	mhh i have a quite good. i bought a 1gb ram 3 days before
13:09:34	BigBambi	It isn't just ram
13:09:38	imulator	but the vm uses 256mb
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13:09:47	imulator	i have 2,9 ghz
13:09:55	imulator	processor
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13:11:36	imulator	what does SVN mean?
13:11:57	linuxstb	imulator: Don't try my viewports patch yet, there's a problem with it - I'm about to upload a new version...
13:12:05	imulator	when?
13:12:14	BigBambi	imulator: Subversion (SVN) is a version control system
13:12:21	imulator	ok
13:12:46	linuxstb	imulator: In the next couple of minutes
13:13:10	imulator	ok
13:15:03	imulator	i have a zip file now
13:15:20	linuxstb	Congratulations. Now you can install it...
13:15:48	imulator	but cant implement a patch into the zip file right?
13:15:55	BigBambi	NO
13:16:00	BigBambi	heh, No
13:16:03	imulator	ok i understood right
13:16:09	BigBambi	I didn't mean to be so forceful :)
13:16:14	imulator	yes
13:16:17	imulator	its ok
13:16:35	imulator	i didnt sense it so forceful ;-)
13:16:39	BigBambi	imulator: A patch patches the source code, then you compile the altered source into a build that you can use
13:17:07	imulator	if i patch do i have to do make zip only or make and then make zip?
13:18:18	linuxstb	imulator; New version of the viewports patch now uploaded - v4.1
13:18:21	BigBambi	make then make zip
13:18:23	linuxstb	That should work for you.
13:19:31	imulator	how can i download it?
13:19:40	BigBambi	Click on it?
13:19:41	imulator	weith right click save file i get a html file
13:19:47	imulator	and i i click i see the text
13:19:57	imulator	firefox...
13:19:58	imulator	mhh
13:20:07	imulator	internet explorer hehe i try with this
13:20:09	BigBambi	me too actually
13:20:17	BigBambi	But if you click then do save page it'll work
13:20:39	imulator	ok
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13:21:14	imulator	now i put the file into debian\root?
13:21:33	BigBambi	svn revert . will revert to latest version, yes?
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13:22:40	imulator	hello
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13:22:57	Retro`	i have a SanDisk Sansa e260 mp3 player
13:22:58	imulator	how does svn add file work?
13:23:13	Retro`	i also own a 1 GB MicroSD card for that device
13:23:30	Retro`	but when i plug that card in, it is not detected by Ubuntu
13:23:33	imulator	nice me too
13:23:41	Retro`	what can i do to make it detectable?
13:23:48	imulator	mhh
13:23:49	BigBambi	aha svn revert -R .
13:23:55	markun	BigBambi: I use(d) "svn revert -R ./"
13:24:02	imulator	i had ubuntu but not now ;-)
13:24:03	markun	:)
13:24:05	markun	bad timing
13:24:06	BigBambi	markun: cheers :)
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13:24:33	Retro`	do i need a driver or something?
13:24:35	imulator	retro? doesnt ubuntu make two drives?
13:24:43	Retro`	i doesn't
13:24:48	imulator	mhh
13:24:50	Retro`	just the one of the player
13:24:58	Retro`	the 4 GB one
13:25:05	imulator	what firmware?
13:25:07	Retro`	and not the 1 GB one as well
13:25:15	BigBambi	linuxstb: Should v4.1 compile for gigabeat?
13:25:16	Retro`	i have the original firmware
13:25:27	imulator	ok
13:25:27	Retro`	version 1.02.18E
13:25:39	imulator	did you try to mount the sd slot?
13:25:53	Retro`	mount?
13:25:54	imulator	manually?
13:25:57	Retro`	uhmm
13:26:07	*	markun got interested in implementing this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7297
13:26:07	imulator	yes dont you know how to mount a drive?
13:26:10	Retro`	i can't see the mountpoint anywhere
13:26:20	Retro`	of the card slot
13:26:30	Retro`	that's wha i need assistance
13:26:46	Retro`	*that's why
13:26:48	linuxstb	If you type "fdisk -l", does that show your card? (probably as root)
13:26:56	Retro`	let me see.,..
13:27:19	imulator	i do only know how to mount in german xD
13:27:23	imulator	upd sry for xD
13:27:30	imulator	ooops
13:27:32	imulator	not upd
13:28:04	Retro`	/dev/sda2 1017 1022 20480 84 OS/2 hidden C: drive
13:28:20	Retro`	/dev/sda1 is the player's partition
13:28:34	Retro`	so /dev/sda2 must be my MicroSD card
13:28:42	Retro`	how can i mount it?
13:28:58	imulator	debian:~/rockbox/build_e200# patch < viewports-v4.1.diff
13:28:58	imulator	can't find file to patch at input line 5
13:28:58	imulator	Perhaps you should have used the -p or −−strip option?
13:29:03	imulator	what is this?
13:29:06	rvvs89	Retro`: man mount
13:29:19	Retro`	mount /dev/sda2
13:29:20	Retro`	??
13:29:39	linuxstb	imulator: Try "patch -p0 < viewports-v4.1.diff"
13:29:46	imulator	ok
13:29:48	Retro`	mount: can't find /dev/sda2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
13:29:54	rvvs89	Retro`: No, have a look at the manual
13:29:55	Retro`	what??
13:29:56	linuxstb	Retro`: No, /dev/sda2 is the "hidden" firmware partition.
13:30:00	Retro`	oh
13:30:10	Retro`	what now?
13:30:12	linuxstb	If it was being shown, the card would be something like /dev/sdb
13:30:15	Retro`	please help me i am a noob
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13:30:38	imulator	debian:~/rockbox/build_e200# patch < viewports-v4.1.diff
13:30:38	imulator	can't find file to patch at input line 5
13:30:38	imulator	Perhaps you should have used the -p or −−strip option?
13:30:44	imulator	oops
13:30:53	advcomp2019	Retro`, did you insert the card right
13:31:08	Retro`	yes
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13:31:36	linuxstb	Can you see the card in Rockbox itself (or the original Sansa firmware)?
13:31:46	rvvs89	Retro`: mount is a very complex command, but in this case it will probably come down to something like: mkdir -p /media/sdcard && mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /media/sdcard
13:32:02	rvvs89	s/complex/flexible/
13:32:21	rvvs89	Oh yeah, and you have to run it as root, so put a sudo in front of it
13:32:30	Retro`	i did
13:32:47	Retro`	sudo mkdir -p /media/sdcard && mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /media/sdcard
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13:33:03	Retro`	response: mount: only root can do that
13:33:04	Retro`	??
13:33:11	rvvs89	sudo -i
13:33:15	Retro`	aha
13:33:16	rvvs89	And then just enter it without sudo
13:33:16	Retro`	ok
13:33:48	Retro`	/bin/mkdir: /bin/mkdir: cannot execute binary file
13:34:00	Retro`	that was sudo -i mkdir -p /media/sdcard && mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /media/sdcard
13:34:09	rvvs89	No, no. Just sudo -i
13:34:14	rvvs89	That will give you a root shell
13:34:15	Retro`	aha
13:34:18	rvvs89	Then enter the command
13:34:26	Retro`	aha
13:35:01	Retro`	mount: No medium found
13:35:02	Retro`	:/
13:35:11	rvvs89	Then there's nothing there
13:35:23	Retro`	i have the card in the player (in the slot)
13:35:39	linuxstb	Can you see the card in Rockbox itself (or the original Sansa firmware)?
13:35:52	rvvs89	Well, check dmesg and see if it's being detected
13:35:59	rvvs89	And do that too
13:36:17	Retro`	let me try if it is detected by firmware
13:36:49	Retro`	ah shit
13:36:55	Retro`	Resreshin Database
13:36:59	Retro`	refreshing
13:37:05	BigBambi	linuxstb: Should v4.1 compile for gigabeat? It errors here (clean build fine)
13:37:14	BigBambi	linuxstb: http://www.pastebin.ca/840035
13:37:33	linuxstb	It _should_...
13:37:36	BigBambi	hehe
13:38:41	linuxstb	Hmm, I didn't try a gigabeat target build - seems there is work needed...
13:38:41	linuxstb	Thanks to all those "optimisations"...
13:38:55	BigBambi	It wasn't me!
13:39:26	Retro`	linuxstb, the firmware claims the device has 3807 MB of Memory (with the MicroSD card in!)
13:39:36	Retro`	so no, it's not detected by firmware
13:39:57	linuxstb	Are you sure it's not in upside-down? I seem to recall people saying that's an easy mistake to make...
13:40:10	rvvs89	3807 MB? Is it an SDHC card?
13:40:17	Retro`	it is really really properly inserted
13:40:22	Retro`	checked 5 times now
13:40:23	Retro`	really
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13:41:22	advcomp2019	Retro`, do you have a card reader to try it in
13:41:22	markun	and formatted?
13:41:38	Retro`	advcomp2019, unfortunately no
13:41:46	markun	or doesn't the OF care about that?
13:42:16	linuxstb	BigBambi: Seems the fix is straightforward - I'll include it in my next update.
13:42:18	Retro`	rvvs89, the 3807 MB is the device's removable flash drive
13:42:26	BigBambi	linuxstb: Cool, cheers
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13:42:57	rvvs89	Retro`: Oh, right, sorry, I'm not too familiar with the Sansas
13:43:32	advcomp2019	Retro`, i am starting think it is the card or the card slot in the sansa
13:44:02	Retro`	advcomp2019, that the card or the card slot is what?
13:44:08	Retro`	advcomp2019, damaged?
13:44:31	Retro`	advcomp2019, no it can't be... it's a new player
13:44:42	Retro`	advcomp2019, it's not older then one month
13:45:00	Retro`	here's the thing
13:45:15	advcomp2019	Retro`, i have seen things like that before
13:45:20	amiconn	linuxstb: Did you try to improve on the "optimised" 16 bit lcd_mono_bitmap_part()?
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13:46:41	amiconn	hmm
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13:47:52	amiconn	Retro`: Did you fully insert the card? Iirc those microsd cards can make you think you inserted them fully, when in fact you didn't. They click twice when inserting them
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13:51:31	Retro`	everyone okay?
13:51:31	imulator	?
13:51:31	BigBambi	Retro`: Netsplit
13:51:31	Retro`	it was a netsplit, wasn't it?
13:51:32	Retro`	yeah thought so
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13:51:32	linuxstb	amiconn: ;)
13:51:33	Retro`	so are all my hopes in vain?
13:51:47	amiconn	The first stage is still electrically disconnected (probably for leaving the card in the slot without losing it)
13:52:24	linuxstb	BigBambi: Can you try http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/viewports-v4.2.diff - that should be better...
13:52:31	BigBambi	linuxstb: Sure
13:52:54	Retro`	maybe this original software sux
13:52:58	Retro`	i need rockbox
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13:53:16	kushal_12_27_200	Hello, I think I have bricked my Sandisk Sansa c250. I a working on Mac OS X 10.4. I wanted to copy all files in the sansa disk to a place in the hard disk but I ended up deleting everything. I did not realize what I had done until it was too late. Have I bricked my mp3 player? Can I reverse this process? Please help ...
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13:54:10	linuxstb	kushal_12_27_200: You probably want to use Recovery mode - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick
13:54:34	Retro`	kushal_12_27_200, you need a tool like e200tool
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13:54:58	Retro`	kushal_12_27_200, i don't know if there's a c200tool as well
13:55:01	BigBambi	linuxstb: It gets further - it fails on test_viewports.c now
13:55:12	advcomp2019	Retro`, it might not be that bad tho
13:55:14	Buschel	does anyone know whether we can save some power when disabling the PLL in PP502x? i would like to use the 24MHz (default-setting) as normal clock and only activate the PLL for boosting. has somebody measured this somehow?
13:55:15	linuxstb	Retro`: He should try the recovery mode first though.
13:55:22	BigBambi	linuxstb: Shall I just remove that from SOURCES?
13:55:39	linuxstb	BigBambi: Yes, you can do. Can you pastebin the error though?
13:55:40	Retro`	linuxstb, i had removed the partitions on my device as well and bricked it
13:55:44	BigBambi	sure
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13:56:01	Retro`	linuxstb, but then i resurrected it with the lovely e200tool of MrH
13:56:13	advcomp2019	kushal_12_27_200, yea.. try recovery mode like linuxstb said first
13:56:36	BigBambi	linuxstb: http://www.pastebin.ca/840048
13:56:37	Retro`	linuxstb, if he bricked it, that means he can't boot it
13:56:55	Retro`	kushal_12_27_200, you need to restore the bootloader
13:57:26	linuxstb	BigBambi: Looks like a double-patch problem - if you look at test_viewports.c, is the code there twice?
13:57:33	advcomp2019	Retro`, i think he did not mess up the bootloader yet
13:57:41	BigBambi	linuxstb: Just checking
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13:58:02	linuxstb	If you reverted a patch, you need to make sure test_viewports.c is deleted.
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13:58:11	amiconn	Buschel: I don't know. I wouldn't go 24MHz for the normal clock. ipod video ui is already slowish at 30 (that can be improved though)
13:58:19	Retro`	okay
13:58:35	BigBambi	linuxstb: 5 times :)
13:58:40	Retro`	kushal_12_27_200, hold Manu button for 15 second to turn off the device
13:58:43	linuxstb	BigBambi: That will do it ;)
13:58:47	Retro`	kushal_12_27_200, Menu button
13:58:49	BigBambi	linuxstb: Ah, OK - I just reverted
13:58:55	BigBambi	I'll delete it and try again
13:59:00	Retro`	kushal_12_27_200, if the device is not already off
13:59:26	Buschel	amiconn: nevertheless i'd like to test it just to know whether there is some gain... does somebody have the ability to test on a PP502x without runtime testing?
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13:59:40	Retro`	kushal_12_27_200, then lock the player and hold the REC button and hold it while you press the Menu button to start it
13:59:52	Retro`	then you+ll enter the recovery mode
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14:00:07	Retro`	i gotta go
14:00:13	Retro`	be well
14:00:15	Retro`	bye ;)
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14:00:56	kushal_12_27_200	the problem is the disk does not even show up in the computer when I connect it
14:01:30	linuxstb	That's what recovery mode may be able to fix. If it doesn't then you'll have to go one step further - use e200tool.
14:01:37	advcomp2019	kushal_12_27_200, did you try the recovery mode steps?
14:01:46	kushal_12_27_200	yes
14:02:05	kushal_12_27_200	i am trying it again
14:02:09	BigBambi	linuxstb: It compiles fine now :)
14:02:53	linuxstb	BigBambi: Good, thanks for testing
14:03:01	BigBambi	no problem
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14:05:20	kushal_12_27_200	I turned the device off and did exactly as said. There is no display. However, as before, the ligt on the navagation buttons are still there.
14:05:34	kushal_12_27_200	* light
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14:08:51	advcomp2019	kushal_12_27_200, so you will need to use the e200tool then
14:09:12	kushal_12_27_200	Could you link me?
14:09:18	kushal_12_27_200	please
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14:12:42	advcomp2019	kushal_12_27_200, i think this is what you need.. http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200tool.html
14:12:48	kushal_12_27_200	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsefulSansae200Tools says it is only for windows. Is there one for mac
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14:13:05	kushal_12_27_200	sorry, didn't see
14:13:23	kushal_12_27_200	thanks, advcomp2019
14:14:20	advcomp2019	kushal_12_27_200, i do not know if it will work on mac or not since i do not have a mac
14:17:49	kushal_12_27_200	the main problem is that the display on the sansa shows nothing and the computer does not even say there is a disk connected to it.
14:20:45	kushal_12_27_200	Advcomp2019, I don't understand the instructions for 0.1.3 or later.
14:23:52	advcomp2019	kushal_12_27_200, i think it is stuck in manufacturer mode and since i have not used that tool that much you might want to wait for someone else
14:24:13	imulator	i cant implement custom line patch
14:24:15	imulator	i get errors
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14:24:43	BigBambi	imulator: How old is the patch?
14:25:00	BigBambi	And are the errors along the lines of Hunk failed
14:25:25	imulator	yes
14:25:38	imulator	Hunk #3 FAILED at 824.
14:25:41	imulator	for example
14:25:43	BigBambi	the patch needs synching - it is out of sync with current SVN
14:25:56	imulator	?
14:26:10	BigBambi	You can either look at the .rej files and try and do it yourself, or wait and hope someone else does
14:26:18	imulator	ok
14:26:28	BigBambi	What does the custom line patch do?
14:26:55	imulator	i thinks its similar to viewport
14:27:04	imulator	but viewport is better...
14:27:06	BigBambi	What player do you have?
14:27:13	imulator	but i need custom line for some themes
14:27:17	imulator	sansa e260
14:27:43	BigBambi	You could use the viewports patch then fix the theme you want to work with viewports
14:27:52	BigBambi	I think Custom Line is rather redundant now
14:28:21	imulator	mhh i get nervous^^
14:28:28	imulator	if i do those things
14:28:41	BigBambi	I think you will find it easier to edit a WPS than sync a patch
14:28:53	imulator	mhh
14:29:28	imulator	i will wait until a official build with viewport comes
14:29:34	imulator	i have no time now
14:29:42	BigBambi	That will be a few days probably
14:29:53	BigBambi	but the viewports patch applies great to current svn
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14:30:14	imulator	yes
14:30:14	advcomp2019	kushal_12_27_200, you could look on the forums to see if they can help you too
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14:30:34	imulator	but i havent only trhe problem with custom line
14:30:37	imulator	with some others too
14:31:00	imulator	and then if i want so MAKE then i get an error and no rockbox.zip
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14:37:11	linuxstb	amiconn: Have you thought any more about how to handle the M3's lack of main LCD?
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14:41:58	amiconn	Still no new ideas
14:42:29	Buschel	saratoga: you there?
14:42:30	amiconn	Handling the remote as the main lcd will make it easier to adapt graphical stuff, but make button handling quirky
14:42:49	amiconn	(unless the main buttons are handled as "remote" buttons and vice versa)
14:43:02	linuxstb	What buttons are available on the remote/main?
14:43:13	amiconn	And handling it as remote with no main lcd makes it easier to adapt the lcd driver
14:44:15	amiconn	The remote is the same as all iaudio remotes: Mode, Rec (simple buttons), Rew/Play/Ffwd (Rocker switch), Vol-/Menu/Vol+ (rocker switch)
14:45:18	amiconn	The main unit has one button less, and a different mechanical configuration: Play, Ffwd, Rew (front buttons), Rec (side button), Vol-/Mode/Vol+ (rocker switch)
14:45:45	amiconn	Both main and remote have a separate hold switch (no combined Hold/Power switch on main like the M5 and X5)
14:46:00	kushal_12_27_200	<kushal_12_27_200> Hello, I think I have bricked my Sandisk Sansa c250. I a working on Mac OS X 10.4. I wanted to copy all files in the sansa disk to a place in the hard disk but I ended up deleting everything. I did not realize what I had done until it was too late. Now when I turn the device on, it does not have anything in the display. Have I bricked my mp3 player? Can I reverse this process? Please help ...
14:46:27	kushal_12_27_200	thanks
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15:03:47	conando	hm.. i thought the new seeking patches were supposed to be already in the newest build?!
15:04:22	BigBambi	conando: As the commit message said and you were told yesterday, the internals are but the gui isn't
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15:04:55	BigBambi	conando: Sorry, that was rather more rude than I intended
15:05:07	BigBambi	Nonetheless, the internals are there, the gui isn't
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15:11:05	conando	BigBambi: i understood this.. nonetheless i thought at least simple backward/forward seeking would be possible already
15:11:32	BigBambi	conando: It sort of is, but only from the front menu when you set the resume point
15:11:36	conando	but thanks for the clarification
15:11:37	BigBambi	I agree non-ideal
15:12:11	BigBambi	But I haven't yet found it non-ideal enough to try and learn how to do anything about it :)
15:12:15	conando	of course, the "old" way.. i was just looking forward to try out the new seeking functionality ;)
15:12:24	conando	lol
15:12:27	BigBambi	Well, it is much quicker
15:13:08	conando	yes, that's what i noticed immediately, great work
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15:13:34	conando	so i'm just going to wait for jhMikeS to finish the gui :)
15:13:37	*	BigBambi salutes jhMikeS
15:13:41	BigBambi	:)
15:13:49	*	conando salutes too
15:14:15	conando	ah the pizza is ready.. brb ;)
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15:20:17	Crash91	does anyone else feel that "open source jukebox firmware" needs to be changed?
15:20:33	BigBambi	not really
15:20:36	Crash91	maybe something like "reclaim your music"?
15:20:48	BigBambi	From where?
15:20:57	Crash91	(yes, ripped from the firefox slogan)
15:21:07	Crash91	from uh.......itunes?
15:21:21	BigBambi	I've never needed to use itunes
15:21:25	BigBambi	I don't have an iPod
15:22:07	BigBambi	open source jukebox firmware tells you what it does, reclaim your music contains no information in my mind
15:22:08	Crash91	me neither but....
15:22:30	Crash91	im just saying open source jukebox firmware doesnt sound that cool :P
15:22:42	BigBambi	It is informative
15:23:02	BigBambi	"Cool" slogans that tell you nothing are pointless in my eyes
15:23:22	hcs	It was going to be called "Rockbox AWESOME EXTREME LAZER", but narrowly voted down.
15:23:38	BigBambi	not only because it is laser
15:23:40	BigBambi	?
15:25:15	Crash91	http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20060214#13:58:46 (hit ctrl+f and search for slogan)
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15:27:28	conando	it's pretty much techie vs marketing... as always
15:29:31	BigBambi	yeah
15:29:57	BigBambi	And seeing as we aren't trying to flog it to people, personally I prefer a slogan that actually means something
15:30:04	BigBambi	Not that I have any say :)
15:30:36	conando	yeah.. imagine the "support cases" if it would be a catchy slogan everyone finds cool :)
15:30:42	BigBambi	:)
15:31:13	Crash91	Rockbox : OSDAPFW?
15:31:38	hcs	*OSDAPFTW
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15:51:25	J-23	Can I watch movies on Sansa c240?
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15:52:08	EternalRains	i believe so, but the movies may be hard to see, considering the size of the screen
15:53:14	J-23	It hangs when I'm trying to play .mpg file
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15:53:38	J-23	Video size is near 132x80, smaller
15:54:13	krazykit	J-23, is it encoded in mpeg2? does it play on your computer without problems?
15:55:37	J-23	Hmm... it's in MPEG-1
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15:55:46	J-23	my computer plays it
15:56:14	J-23	How can I convert to MPEG-2?
15:56:51	EternalRains	what operating system do you use?
15:56:54	J-23	Linux
15:57:17	EternalRains	check if you have the command ffmpeg
15:58:20	J-23	I'm installing it...
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16:01:02	Crash91	J-23: look on the MpegPlayer page in the wiki, if you have vlc, its easier IMO
16:01:27	J-23	I have installed ffmpeg.
16:02:54	Crash91	J-23: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
16:04:10	markun	J-23: there are also some sample videos for you to try
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16:05:20	BigBambi_	J-23: Make sure you have ffmpeg with mp3 support
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16:08:32	J-23	But they're too big for Sansa c240 screen
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17:46:31	Crash91	would it be easy to implement sin/cos/tan in the rockbox calculator?
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17:48:14	billenium	what language are the games written in?
17:48:20	krazykit	c
17:48:39	billenium	i c
17:48:44	billenium	that makes sense
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18:08:58	Nico_P	linuxstb: would it be possible to draw the WPS in a viewport?
18:10:49	linuxstb	The WPS is drawn into multiple viewports, as defined in the .wps file.
18:12:30	Nico_P	yes, but I was thinking of something like a split screen with e.g. the WPS and the playlist
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18:13:04	linuxstb	So which part of the WPS would you display?
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18:14:32	advcomp2019	i decided to try to make my own build using the vmware way but i got an error
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18:15:28	Nico_P	linuxstb: I haven't thought much about it, I was simply wondering whether it would be possible
18:16:38	advcomp2019	this is the e200 build too.. http://pastebin.ca/840253
18:17:25	krazykit	advcomp2019, we need more than that.
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18:18:28	advcomp2019	i am having a hard to getting the copy/paste to work right
18:20:00	linuxstb	Nico_P: This was discussed a little the other day, let me find the logs...
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18:21:01	linuxstb	Nico_P: Yesterday morning, starting around 11.30am
18:21:06	linuxstb	(logbot time)
18:21:10	Nico_P	thanks
18:21:26	scorche\|w	LST
18:22:44	jhMikeS	BigBambi_/conando: The UI part is coming soon. It already works but just needs some display aspects worked out.
18:22:52	Nico_P	hmm JdGordon's comment on rafb.net isn't available anymore
18:23:19	BigBambi_	jhMikeS: That's cool. I don't really use MPEGPlayer anyway :)
18:24:11	linuxstb	Nico_P: That was just about having a single "struct viewport" instead of a separate "struct remote_viewport".
18:24:20	Nico_P	ok
18:24:52	linuxstb	I've gone for the single "struct viewport" - I think the apps/ code would just get too messy otherwise.
18:24:53	conando	jhMikeS very nice!
18:25:16	Nico_P	linuxstb: yeah I agree with that
18:25:42	Nico_P	jhMikeS: hi! congrats on the mpegplayer commit :)
18:25:48	jhMikeS	conando: how much of the screen should the statusbar cover at most anyway? I was thinking 20% at most.
18:26:00	jhMikeS	Nico_P: thanks
18:26:15	Nico_P	btw, has your S arrived?
18:26:45	jhMikeS	Nico_P: It had a couple weeks ago or so.
18:26:50	ptw419	does anyone know the legality of posting the ROM code for the S to the wiki?
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18:27:21	Nico_P	jhMikeS: cool :) have you tried sending custom code to it yet?
18:27:35	linuxstb	ptw419: You mean a dissassembly? Or the actual firmware files?
18:27:59	jhMikeS	Nico_P: not yet. I'm on one project at a time here. That should be the next thing I mess around with.
18:28:00	ptw419	the disassembly
18:28:18	Nico_P	jhMikeS: ok :)
18:28:23	ptw419	or the actual .bin if necessary
18:28:36	linuxstb	ptw419: My feeling is that you shouldn't (in either case). It's not your code...
18:28:46	ptw419	yeah, thats what i was thinking...
18:29:30	ptw419	in any case, I did manage to get a dump of the S ROM code, if anyone has any questions...
18:30:09	linuxstb	Is that a flash ROM?
18:30:12	Nico_P	ptw419: do you know what code is in there? (ie when is it executed?)
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18:30:44	ptw419	its the SecureROM starting at 0x0-0x3FFF
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18:32:06	linuxstb	Do you know what (at a high level) it does? i.e. is it the first-stage bootloader?
18:32:40	ptw419	it is the first stage bootloader, at poweron this is what the S runs I believe
18:33:16	linuxstb	I'm guessing by the name that we can't replace the code in that ROM?
18:33:40	ptw419	then I have ROM from 0x404000-0x407fff
18:33:59	ptw419	i don't believe so...
18:34:20	ptw419	i think maybe the code at 0x404000-0x407fff maybe, I don't know about the SecureROM
18:34:24	linuxstb	What would be very useful is a description of how the S boots, and which ROM(s) and file(s) are involved.
18:34:34	J-23	When I'm trying to encode AVI movie in 96 kbps MPG with 96 kbps MP3 sound in 25fps and rescale it to 132x80, I see "[mpeg2video @ 0x86ff430]buffer smaller than minimum size"
18:34:44	J-23	I'm using mencoder
18:35:03	ptw419	i haven't had a chance to review the code
18:35:16	J-23	mencoder durszlak.avi -of mpeg -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp2:abitrate=96:vmax_b_frames=16:vb_strategy=2 -af resample=44100:0:0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=96 -vf scale=132:80,harddup -ofps 25 -o durszlak.mpg
18:35:16	ptw419	just managed to get it last night
18:36:13	J-23	And I can't kill it with ^C.
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18:39:00	krazykit	J-23, so kill it with kill.
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18:39:46	J-23	But why it returns this warning?
18:46:45	soap	Buschel, exactly the same runtime with hold on as with hold off.
18:49:47	advcomp2019	krazykit, i tried it again and it worked
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19:01:11	J-23	When I'm trying to encode AVI movie in 96 kbps MPG with 96 kbps MP3 sound in 25fps and rescale it to 132x80 with ffmpeg I see "[mpeg2video @ 0x54f550]MPEG1/2 does not support 15/1 fps"
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19:05:38	linuxstb	I think there's an option you need to enable for non-standard mpeg framerates.
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19:19:26	soap	Buschel, we're talking exactly the same runtime to within less than 60 seconds.
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19:23:19	Buschel	soap: that's a pitty :/ so, the USB-stuff does it.
19:24:53	Buschel	next interesting thing for me is to not use the PLL and use 24MHz clock as "normal". my firsts builds were instable though
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19:28:51	Buschel	ok, gotta go and party into the new year. have fun and see you 2008! :o)
19:29:17	soap	thanks for your work, Buschel
19:29:44	Buschel	thanks for your testing support, bye
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21:12:08	MikeF	hi
21:14:39	J-23	Hello.
21:14:56	MikeF	does rockbox support the ipod classic?
21:15:37	MikeF	the ones that are out now
21:15:49	MikeF	i dont know what generation it is or whatever its the IPod classic
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21:17:23	MikeF	anyone know?
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21:18:28	scorche\|w	MikeF: read the front page...
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21:20:07	MikeF	where
21:20:58	J-23	Apple: 1st through 5.5th generation iPod, iPod Mini and 1st generation iPod Nano
21:20:58	J-23	(not the Shuffle, 2nd/3rd gen Nano, Classic or Touch)
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21:21:04	J-23	http://rockbox.org
21:22:01	J-23	MikeF: Classic is unsupported.
21:22:01	MikeF	oh crap
21:22:07	MikeF	damn it
21:22:18	MikeF	what the hell is a 5th gen
21:22:25	MikeF	they don't sell those anymore do they?
21:22:27	J-23	You can try iPodLinux
21:22:33	scorche\|w	no you cant
21:22:41	MikeF	no, i just need it for the speech
21:22:45	MikeF	im a blind user
21:22:57	MikeF	ad i have a sansa E200 was thinking of getting a clasic
21:22:58	scorche\|w	MikeF: no they dont...they are the "ipod video"s
21:22:59	MikeF	calssic
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21:23:30	MikeF	hmm
21:23:32	MikeF	thanks
21:23:43	MikeF	I could still get a video off amazon
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21:24:23	scorche\|w	or ebay, although i wouldnt think the ipods are the most blind fri....bah
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23:15:14	billenium	hey
23:15:31	billenium	rockbox is much better than ipodlinux
23:15:34	billenium	thats my opinion
23:15:47	AceDaPig	i've never used either
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23:16:10	billenium	id start out with rockbox
23:16:24	billenium	you can play videos, Gameboy games, all your songs, text files
23:16:55	fenugrec	is any work being done on the nano 2nd gen ?
23:17:30	Llorean	soap: No color targets have a 24-bit screen, as far as I know.
23:17:48	Llorean	The image he posted is 16-bit, it just has better dithering than his "16 bit" image.
23:17:50	billenium	fenugrec: no, its encrypted too well
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23:18:09	fenugrec	ah, that's too bad
23:18:11	soap	I didn't even look that deep (either at his photos or at the targets)
23:18:18	soap	I just know the Gigabeat isn't 24 bit.
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23:18:42	Llorean	soap: As far as I know they're all 16-bit screens, and bitmaps are converted to framebuffer format on load, so they're 16-bit in RAM anyway
23:18:58	Llorean	The second half of that is just what I've been told, though
23:20:41	fenugrec	it would be possible to write to the flash device directly, but even then we'd have no firmware to learn from
23:20:50	fenugrec	"flash device " - I mean the chip
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23:23:31	Llorean	fenugrec: While it's not a written goal of Rockbox, I think most of the developers feel that a "proper" port can be installed without opening the player.
23:26:09	fenugrec	I guess so - and writing directly to a flash IC can be a job
23:27:09	Llorean	Considering the requirement for special tools, it'd generally be much easier for someone to just buy a Rockbox supported player in the first place
23:27:25	fenugrec	Although - if we know the CPU is ARM-based, and we can read the firmware from the flash chip
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23:29:42	fenugrec	ugh - I just saw a pic of the nano's inside - all of the important chips are BGA ... what a pain
23:31:04	soap	Llorean, did you see my earlier idea about a holiday cleaning of the "MOVED: xxxxxx" messages from the forums?
23:31:19	soap	Figured we could remove all the redirects more than 14 days old.
23:31:25	Llorean	soap: Sounds like a decent idea.
23:31:32	soap	there's still 10+ pages of search results for them.
23:32:02	soap	I've deleted all mine, and had started to "move" other people's, but might as well delete them.
23:32:11	Llorean	soap: All 14+ day old moved topics notices have been removed.
23:32:21	Llorean	There's a button for it. :)
23:32:24	soap	that was fast
23:32:26	soap	cool
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23:33:10	Llorean	You can remove All topics not posted in for X days old that are either "Any sort", "Moved topic notices" or "Locked"
23:33:51	soap	That was really easy
23:34:09	Llorean	There are a few buried option that are really nice, like that one.
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23:51:32	billenium	can someone give me the link to the ipodpatcher?
23:51:36	billenium	rockbox is not working for me
23:52:07	saratoga	i think its in the manual's install section
23:52:34	billenium	yes it is
23:52:39	billenium	but the site isnt working for me
23:52:55	billenium	i should have said rockbox site
23:54:49	billenium	is the ipodpatcher.exe open source?
23:55:04	scorche\|w	of course...
23:55:07	desowin	yes
23:55:15	billenium	where is it?
23:55:51	billenium	=0
23:57:58	Llorean	In the Rockbox svn

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