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#rockbox log for 2008-01-04

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00:11:14Lynn_hey what is the longest its taken your device to build the database... I have about 7.5 gigs of mp3's on it about 320 bitrate but its taken like 8 hours on my sansa... is there something that I am doing wrong?
00:11:36LloreanIt should never take more than half an hour even.
00:11:48Lynn_ok so what am I doing wrong?
00:11:48LloreanWhat are you using to determine that it's still building?
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00:12:22Lynn_well it says the number
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00:12:32Lynn_and it keeps increasing like from 1 to got to 209
00:12:36Lynn_I don't know what its counting
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00:14:37LloreanLynn_: And this is with a current, official build? All you've done is install the Rockbox build from the main website, then chosen to "Initialize Now" your database?
00:14:56Lynn_its a current build from yesterday
00:15:04Lynn_on the home screen
00:15:06Lynn_I select
00:15:21LloreanCould you please try to type whole sentences, instead of hitting enter every few words.
00:15:22Lynn_and it takes forever
00:15:31Lynn_sure sorry.
00:16:32Lynn_in fact, it keeps freezing up my sansa e280.. I am having to pull the battery a lot.
00:16:46LloreanYou should never have to pull the battery.
00:17:01LloreanHolding power for 15-20 seconds should always be able to shut it down, even if Rockbox is completely locked up.
00:17:49LloreanIf it's freezing, that's quite important information. Do you know if your MP3s have any odd tags? Extremely long comments, or embedded album art, or lyrics, or anything like that?
00:18:20Lynn_no... they are pretty much from the great oink... great quality and freedsb tags.. most of them or better.
00:18:39Lynn_yes there is album art
00:19:18LloreanI have no idea what you mean by "from the great oink"
00:19:22Lynn_the music is under the default folder which is hidden by the default os sansa uses.
00:19:28linuxstbLlorean: You don't want to know...
00:19:37Lynn_oh.... it was a torrent site which just got shut down.
00:19:41Lynn_invite only great music
00:19:42LloreanYou didn't answer me as to whether the album art is embedded.
00:19:56Lynn_how would it be embedded? I do not understand
00:19:57LloreanAlso, the presence of good tags doesn't mean there aren't additional comment and lyrics tags.
00:20:04LloreanAlbum Art can be stored in an ID3 tag.
00:20:11LloreanThis is called "embedded"
00:20:39Lynn_ahh... then no. my music is under music/(album)/
00:20:40Lynn_that's it
00:20:54LloreanThat's not at all what I asked.
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00:21:06LloreanI'm asking about the ID3 tags.
00:21:11LloreanThey're built into the .mp3 files.
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00:21:59LloreanThat's what the database uses, so the condition of these tags, including which ID3 standard was used, can have an affect on the database. It's still known to have problems with not handling unsupported tags gracefully, I believe.
00:22:13Lynn_what do you want me to do. I use foobar, don't really tag the mp3's any different than what I get them. random music some might have embedded tags, and most of them do not.
00:22:37LloreanWell, you're asking how to fix your problem.
00:22:46LloreanI'm asking questions that need to be answered to track down what your problem is.
00:22:49Lynn_ok should I remove all the music from the device?
00:23:11LloreanOne solution is to do a binary search to see if a specific file or set of files is the one causing it to hang or have problems, yes.
00:23:26linuxstbAnd then give us one of those files...
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00:24:54Lynn_at the home screen, everything appears to work perfectly, however I have not been able to listen to any music... Maybe I am not selecting the right music option. Even a few of the games I tested worked. Also, when I tried to choose a different theme it would not accept the theme. It remained on the default
00:25:55LloreanIf you select an incompatible theme (one that requires a patched version of Rockbox) this might happen. You may also not have installed the fonts package.
00:27:21LloreanI don't know what you mean by "right music option" though. Playing music is as simple as browsing to the song under files and clicking on it, since you haven't got database working
00:27:46Lynn_i checked the fonts package yesterday, also it seems to almost lock up while I am trying to charge it with usb while I am using it. Is this a common problem?
00:28:25Llorean"Almost lock up" is not very descriptive. What exactly do you mean?
00:29:01Lynn_well, I have to hold the power button for 20 seconds till it shuts down then re power it back up, otherwise the blue light just remains on and nothing happens on the screen.
00:30:16LloreanAnd this happens when you're in Rockbox, hold down the center button, and insert a USB cable?
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00:31:06Lynn_no just when I insert a usb cable... I was not aware that I had to hold the select button while I was inserting the usb cable.
00:31:41LloreanIf you insert the USB cable, it tries to go into USB mode, but this is buggy still and doesn't work properly. It *should* restart into the original firmware, but this isn't working.
00:31:49LloreanYou must hold down select to tell it not to do this, and just charge.
00:32:50Lynn_the radio works just fine, and after I held down the select button, it is also charging it now. that's probably why its locking up. while reading through the manual it did not say much about the file structure of the music, does it need to be in a specific root folder? can it be in sub folders?
00:33:07LloreanIt can be anywhere.
00:33:15LloreanIt doesn't say anything about it, because it doesn't matter where it is.
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00:35:28Lynn_I just went into the files menu and went down to root.... selected it and now it appears to be frozen with Loading... across the screen.
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00:36:29LloreanI'm going to guess that you just tried to load a playlist.
00:36:34LloreanThe "Files" option is not a menu
00:36:37LloreanIt just shows the filetree.
00:36:48LloreanSince I can't know what file you have named 'root', I can't really know what you did.
00:37:08Lynn_oh wow.... it just gave a new message... playlist buffer full.
00:37:22LloreanThen yes, you tried to load a playlist.
00:37:31LloreanHave you read the manual? It sounds like you're just trying random things.
00:38:07Lynn_I did read the manual. it did not seem to address trouble shooting very well. I will read it again.
00:38:40LloreanWhat you're describing isn't "trouble shooting"
00:38:50LloreanI've told you what you need to do to troubleshoot the problem with your database.
00:40:07Lynn_I will remove all the music files and then only put one album on then try the database again.
00:40:27Lynn_I will let you know how it goes.
00:41:47LloreanTry using the initialize option in the database menu
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00:43:02Lynn_ok, will do, its going to take about 20 minutes to dump the music off of it, I will be back after its done.
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00:43:22Lynn_thank you for helping me
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00:47:50webguest47hi do you guy's know of some dvd movie converter i can use to convert my dvds to play in rockbox?
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00:48:49Lloreanwebguest47: That's really outside the scope of this channel, which is for support of the Rockbox software itself
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00:50:14webguest47it's just that i'm using one of the converters that you guys have here on rockbox it's called winFF but it doesn't do dvd's. Can you please help? :)
00:50:46LloreanThat's not our software, we just linked to it.
00:51:41LloreanSeriously, the PluginMpegplayer page describes what's necessary of a video for it to be playable in Rockbox. But there are many, many better places on the internet where you can ask "How do I convert a DVD to mpeg2 320x240 video with 44khz MP3 audio" or whatever variant of that question is relevant for your player of choice
00:52:24webguest47do you guy's know one i can use? the ones i got convert dvd to mpeg but when i copy the movies to my ipod rockbox wont play them the right way and sometimes they don't play at all.
00:52:38soapIs WMA realtime on the PP5002?
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00:54:02Lloreanwebguest47: So once you have an mpeg, use the tools from the wiki page to convert it again to the right sort of mpeg.
00:55:14Lynn_Llorean: I would be glad to provide another mirror for archived builds if needed
00:55:23Lynn_and host it.
00:55:29LloreanLynn_: We don't need a mirror for them
00:55:36webguest47yeah i tried that but they say that it's already in mpeg format and it doesn't let me convert them after that.
00:55:48Lloreanwebguest47: I guarantee you that WinFF will not say that.
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00:57:44webguest47thats the one that i use i'm serious. if that wasn't true then i wouldn't be asking. it really doesn't work...please help if you know of a converter that does this? i'm searching google in another tab right now too.
00:59:58Lloreanwebguest47: I've told you it's outside the scope of this channel.
01:01:11webguest47so you really can't help? do you alteast know of a converter but you just can't tell me?
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01:03:13Lloreanwebguest47: What I'm telling you is "Please stop asking." I'm also now telling you that I'm beginning to get tired of telling you this.
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01:07:16webguest47ok. thanks anyway.
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01:17:40amiconngray_core.c: ~2500 lines. grey_core.c: ~760 lines
01:17:54gamepadcan I expect to play an HE-AAC file with a e280?
01:18:16LloreanHE-AAC is a lot more CPU intensive than standard AAC.
01:18:29linuxstbamiconn: You're renaming the lib from gray to grey ?
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01:19:14amiconnBoth to make it not collide with gray* during transition, and because I prefer british spelling
01:19:46gamepadllorean: thanks
01:20:06Lynn_Llorean: you were correct... it must have been with the tags...
01:20:23Lynn_I have only one folder on it with music now... it loaded the database in seconds and restarted then its working fine.
01:20:54Lynn_I do not understand why the files would play with the players default os but not Rock...?
01:21:11Lynn_some of them had embedded pictures.
01:21:14linuxstbLynn_: Because they're different applications, with different supported features and bugs?
01:21:23LloreanLynn_: 1) It's "Rockbox" not "Rock". We have non-English speakers in here, so it's important not to randomly abbreviate things
01:21:53LloreanLynn_: And "Whether the files play" is completely different from "Can Rockbox's database index them". Rockbox may even play the "bad" files, it just may not be able to database them.
01:22:03linuxstbLynn_: If you can provide an example file that prevents the database from building, that would help us fix the problem.
01:22:28Lynn_ok. I will try one folder at a time till I find the problem one. Then I will zip the music and find a way to get it to you.
01:22:46safetydanamiconn: so does this mean smooth mpeg video on H120 :)?
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01:22:55amiconnIt will
01:23:14LloreanLynn_: A binary search would be easier. A lot less work:
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01:24:12LloreanBasically, put half the files on. If it works, switch halves. If it doesn't work, take half those files off and try again. Keep halving and trying (and swapping halves when necessary) until you're down to one bad file.
01:24:42Lynn_yes, I have a feeling I know which folder is causing a problem. I will try that folder first
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01:29:05saratogaLlorean: have you looked at whats actually posted in the D2 thread?
01:29:53LloreanIn what sense?
01:30:10saratogawell theres source code for a wma decoder for instance
01:30:16saratogaand it aint' from ffmpeg
01:30:37jhMikeSamiconn: that's everything with ASM too?
01:30:42LloreanAh, well that's something we probably can't use in any significant sense.
01:31:11amiconnNo asm atm... but the new lib needs far less asm than the old one
01:31:20LloreanUS copyright at least means "all rights reserved", which means that, in theory we can learn from it but not reuse it. Doable with datasheets, quite hard with source.
01:31:35saratogasomeone at MS is not going to like that
01:31:55jhMikeSLlorean: come up with anything new? (havent't checked logs yet)
01:32:02LloreanjhMikeS: Nope.
01:32:47Lloreansaratoga: Yeah, but I don't see what we can really do about those links.
01:33:04amiconnThe big advantage is that the new lib doesn't need to bitshift like hell
01:33:09LloreanjhMikeS: Haven't been playing with it. I have a 12' screen at my disposal until Sunday, so it's hard to convince myself to squint
01:33:13saratogamaybe we should email them as a courtesy?
01:33:39amiconnEverything is in byte quantities... just the address calculcation is a bit weird for targets with vertical pixel packing
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01:33:58Lloreansaratoga: It's possible we should. I've been kinda waiting to try to get a word with Bagder about it.
01:34:18jhMikeSLlorean: and 12' is not a typo? :)
01:34:45amiconnasm will still help to speed up things a bit, e.g. by utilising burst mode loading (movem on cf, ldmia on arm)
01:34:56LloreanjhMikeS: 1080p projector. :)
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01:35:58Lloreanamiconn: Could it be fast enough to be usable in WPSes on SwCodec by chance?
01:36:10LloreanOr, nevermind
01:36:12LloreanConstant boost, right.
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01:36:32amiconnOn PP, yes. Not on cf. That applies to the old lib as well
01:37:23amiconnThe constant boost on PP is only necessary because the lcd controller doesn't like the cpu clock changing while a transfer is running
01:37:56amiconnIt *used* to be necessary due to lcd update speed as wel,, but that problem is gone for some time already :)
01:38:09Lynn_does the sansa e280 support most of the different themes? It says loaded but I am not seeing a difference. I have loaded the fonts, but I am not seeing font changes or color changes in the different themes.
01:39:32LloreanLynn_: What "most of of the different themes"? There are different themes for different players, and some themes require special modified versions of Rockbox...
01:39:34linuxstbYou are most likely using themes designed for third-party (unofficial) versions of Rockbox. A lots of themes out there won't work with a normal Rockbox build.
01:40:23Lynn_ahh. which themes are standard with Rockbox mentioned in the manual? I will try to load one of those.
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01:42:06theclawhi there
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01:43:02theclawrockbox doesn't support aac right now?
01:43:13LloreanRockbox supports AAC.
01:43:20safetydantheclaw: it supports aac, just not all profiles
01:43:28LloreanLC-AAC on all software codec players, and HE-AAC on the Gigabeat.
01:44:30theclawi have a .m4b file (an audiobook), mplayer uses libfaad to decode it, but rockbox doesn't play it
01:44:47saratogarockbox uses faad too
01:44:59Lloreantheclaw: That doesn't tell us what profile it is.
01:45:09LloreanLow bitrate is often HE-AAC, and sometimes even LTP apparently
01:45:30LloreanAs well, long files, as single-file audiobooks often are, don't currently play in Rockbox due to a parser issue.
01:46:09theclawis 20MB too big?
01:46:38LloreanI think it's an issue of length, not actual size of the file.
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01:47:03LloreanBut there's also the question of encoding profile.
01:47:16theclawhow do I find out?
01:47:43LloreanNo clue. Generally speaking, it's something you'd probably choose when creating the content...
01:48:04theclawheh, I didn't ;)
01:53:27saratogafoobar is pretty good at checking aac files
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01:56:03theclawi'll try, have to install first
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01:59:09curvinHi folks! I'm looking for some mortar to go with my new brick! :D Last night I decided to try out rockbox on my Sansa e250R (yep the Rhapsody edition) and now it's a cute black rock that can glow blue. The screen never turns on in any mode... Any help or ideas would be great
01:59:42cjbouch :)
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02:00:00curvinOh yeah, I was doing it all on Windows yesterday, I'm on Linux now though
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02:01:20curvinThe last thing I did that really broke it completely was I copied a blank file called sansa.fmt to the device and it rebooted, wiped the device and then shut off. Now it comes on (the blue light anyway) but nothing comes up on the screen.
02:02:17krazykitcurvin, have you tried going into recovery mode and recovering the OF as detailed on the wiki page SansaE200Unbrick
02:03:22curvinI did try a few things last night. I'll give them a whirl again today on my Linux box. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check back in a bit
02:03:59theclawsafetydan: foobar2000 doesn't seem to know the file
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02:04:28theclaw"could not enumerate tracks (Unsupported format or corrupted file) on: ..."
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02:08:21saratogatheclaw: sounds like a corrupt file
02:08:39theclawit plays in mplayer, and I can convert it with ffmpeg
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02:09:59curvinHow do I switch USB modes on my Sansa if I can't boot into it?
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02:10:29saratogatheclaw: foobar and mplayer use the same decoder, if its not working in one, its probably broken somehow
02:10:40theclawthats strange
02:10:45theclawmaybe i don't have libfaad installed?
02:10:50theclawunter windows
02:10:53melleryis there a way to change the station in rockbox without using presets? i can only name presets it looks like. i'm using a sansa e200
02:11:00theclawi didn't tell you that I run windows in virtualbox
02:11:06theclawand mplayer "natively" under linux
02:11:11theclawsorry ;)
02:11:11Lloreantheclaw: Foobar2000 doesn't require codecs installed.
02:11:21krazykitcurvin, you can't. that's why you need to go through recovery mode
02:11:22theclawLlorean: it brings it with them?
02:11:28LloreanThey're built in.
02:11:44curvinBut I can't get into recovery mode. It's a viscous cycle :D
02:11:57LloreanRecovery mode doesn't use the MTP/MSC option
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02:12:17Lloreanmellery: See the manual.
02:12:53krazykitcurvin, if you can't get it into recovery mode, go into manufacture mode, recover the bootloader, and immediately go into recovery mode from there
02:13:37curvinWhen I follow the steps to enter recovery mode, nothing comes up on my Sansa screen. If I check dmesg I get output...
02:14:23curvinThe same thing happens in manufacture mode. Blank screen but the blue light turns on.
02:14:52LloreanManufacturer mode isn't supposed to display anything on screen.
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02:15:27curvinSweet, I'm golden then! I'll see what I can do.
02:16:32curvinOk so the instructions say to use BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom where might I find that file?
02:16:49*Llorean thought the instructions used to say
02:18:57curvinSo on the website where I just downloaded the e200tool binary should I grab the i2c-e260.bin file?
02:19:10curvinI've got the e250R...
02:19:13LloreanThen no
02:19:49curvinHeh heh heh, so any ideas on where I might grab one for my little black brick?
02:19:50LloreanYou don't need an I2C ROM
02:20:01LloreanYou need the BootLoader ROM
02:20:15LloreanWhich is on the MI4 page of that site
02:20:40curvinOh, thanks! It ends in btl, is that cool?
02:20:51curvinOr rather, "kosher"
02:21:00curvinCool would be a relative term, which all of this stuff is
02:21:29krazykitcurvin, that should work
02:21:58curvinAwesome, thanks!
02:22:03curvinThe countdown is going...
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02:23:11curvinOk, not sure if it worked, here's the output:
02:23:35Llorean"Error" generally means that no, it did not work.
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02:24:04curvinHeh heh heh, it's such a descriptive term.
02:24:17curvinShould I just run it again?
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02:25:29curvinOh! I think I may have left out a vital piece of information. When I first unlocked the firmware it said I have a "Vanilla" something... Does that mean my unit isn't really the R version? And maybe I should give the regular e250 rom a whirl?
02:26:37krazykitcurvin, when you used to boot into the OF, did it say "sansa rhapsody" at the loading screen and have "rhapsody channels" in the menus?
02:27:47curvinI wish I could tell you. I unwrapped my little brick, and the first thing I did was try to install rockbox on it. When it booted up I do not remember seeing anything about Rhapsody, but the symbol is on the back of it.
02:28:57curvinMore possibly vital information... It's a REFURB, and it says so in bold stamped lettering on the back
02:31:14soapnot stamped - metalic stickers which can come off.
02:31:19soapmetallic even
02:31:35curvin:D Who would want to take those off?
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02:33:45curvinits getting further in the writing process if I hold down the center select button; but it still fails.
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02:34:08curvinThe hex number changes every time...
02:34:22curvinWrite at 0x106021b7
02:34:32curvinWrite at 0x1060ad40
02:34:40curvinIf only I could count in hex
02:35:23curvinI'll give the regular 250 rom a shot, brb
02:39:07theclawn8 then :)
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02:45:36curvinHey hey hey, looking good!
02:45:58curvinI'm gonna give recovery a whirl now
02:49:02curvinIt doesn't seem to want to boot into recovery :(
02:50:01krazykitcurvin, you need to boot to recovery straight away from manufacture mode
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02:50:41curvinoh! thanks
02:51:55curvinI don't see how. It says to hold the rec button (on the side) but it just stays at the blank screen. Any idea on how long I'm supposed to wait?
02:53:03krazykitstart holding record before you unplug from manufacture mode. that should let you get into recovery mode
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03:00:44jamesxHey rockboxers - weird thing is happening - my computer has decided to not recognize my ipod is a USB device - I plug it in - it says 'FOUND: Rockbox Media Player' - then files it under the 'I DONNO WHAT THIS IS' yellow questionmark
03:01:07curvinSounds like it's missing a driver?
03:01:21Lloreanjamesx: Reboot it into disk mode first.
03:02:22curvinkrazykit, i held the rec button for a minute, nothing. I turned off the device (usb still plugged in) and it wouldn't turn back on. I unplugged the USB and then it would turn on, but still nothing on the screen. All while holding the rec button
03:02:37jamesxLlorean: Reboot into disk mode and then plug it in or re-reboot then back into rockbox?
03:03:17LloreanPlug it in while in disk mode
03:03:51LloreanRockbox doesn't have a USB mode, and the recent work on adding one is incomplete, and seems to have in some cases (when plugged into windows) caused problems triggering an auto-reboot into disk mode, something that used to be a feature
03:04:06LloreanSorry, "Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode on iPods"
03:04:36curvinOh man, I want an AaahHA!
03:04:37jamesxBrilliant Llor, working now - is this how I have to get into it henceforth?
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03:05:09jamesxcurvin - this is the best I can do:
03:05:28curvinHeh heh heh! thanks!
03:05:31krazykitcurvin, just a sec, lemme check something
03:06:05jamesxLlorean - what's strange is that prior to this past week, it's recognized it fine. I assume this is a more recent build issue?
03:06:16curvinNo rush, I'm watching one the best music videos of all time...
03:06:24curvinone *of*
03:06:29Lloreanjamesx: It's a little older than just one week.
03:06:30jamesxkrazykit: I've bought you some time ;)
03:06:34LloreanBut it is a semi-recent issue
03:06:49jamesxOk, I only just updated my build a week or two ago - so this makes sense
03:07:54jamesx(My ipod primarily stays in the car... no need to constantly update)
03:08:09jamesxAnyway, thanks for your help sirrah - you are a gentleman and a scholar.
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03:12:52krazykitcurvin, what you SHOULD be able to do is put the device in manufacture mode, get the e200tool recover command ready (as root or sudo, remember!), hold the record button, then start the e200tool command. after e200tool finishes, you should be put into recovery mode immediately
03:13:26curvinAwesome thanks!
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03:20:58curvinI appreciate all the help!
03:21:10curvinIt's still not going into recovery mode though
03:21:34krazykitcurvin, that's very strange then. i have no idea why it isn't.
03:21:42curvinIt might just be that I really bricked it
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03:22:07curvinIt might need a .45 or something to convince it to work...
03:22:59curvinThanks for all your help, I'll play with the info you've given me and see what I can do. I'll come back and let you know if I have any success. Your help is much appreciated either way.
03:23:13s0nixI am wondering about the benefits on installing rockbox versus ipodlinux... if someone can inform me.
03:24:09s0nixhoo :)
03:24:13scorcheyou can also have a look at and compare a bit
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03:48:38s0nixrockbox work with the ipod nano 3g ?
03:49:51soapall supported models are listed on the front page. The 2nd and 3rd generation Nanos do not share the common hardware of the iPods Rockbox does support - and on top of that their firmware is encrypted, and nobody @ Rockbox is working on that.
03:50:16s0nixi see
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04:04:34gnoobstupid companies changing their stupid hardware. Making things difficult.
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04:30:48psycho_maniacI could assume but what does WVP stand for?
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04:31:34LloreanIt's the progressbar
04:32:02psycho_maniaci know but what does it have a meaning like WPS? while playing screen
04:32:43psycho_maniacW video P
04:33:02LloreanI thought it was WVS
04:33:16LloreanIt's not like it matters.
04:33:57psycho_maniacah it is wvs i got the lettters mixed up. I just watned to know what it ment. i like to know stuff like this.
04:34:10LloreanI'd assume while video screen, or while viewing screen then
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04:35:16Luciferso, is rockbox something that might run on a cheapo little trio?
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04:35:38LloreanRockbox is something that only runs on the players listed at the website, unless you go through the effort of porting it.
04:36:03Luciferhmmm, I don't think I asked the question I really wanted the answer to ;/
04:36:15Luciferlemme think about it some more
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04:37:14Luciferok, maybe I have it
04:37:29psycho_maniaclook on the buyers guide page. that will tell you what players do run on rockbox.
04:37:40Luciferis it worth trying to get rockbox to run on an mp3 player that's just a flash drive with a little controller that can decode mp3's?
04:37:55LuciferI already bought the thing, price was the determining factor, unfortunately :(
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04:38:46LloreanLucifer: Whether it's worth it depends an awful lot on what else you can make the player do, and what shortcomings it has. Which thus depends a lot on the hardware inside it
04:39:08LloreanWhether it's worth it also depends even more on how much work it's going to mean to you, vs what you feel you'd gain
04:39:16Luciferit's a two-line lcd, there's just not much to it
04:39:29LuciferI'd gain ogg vorbis support :)
04:39:40psycho_maniachow much was it?
04:40:01LloreanLucifer: You'd only gain Ogg Vorbis support if the main CPU is fast enough, or the MP3 decoder is repogrammable.
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04:40:01Luciferwith a $10 mail-in rebate that I need to remember to fill out
04:40:03LloreanAnd fast enough
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04:41:49Luciferso I guess I need to find out what's actually in it first, as you said originally :)
04:48:25Luciferok, thanks a lot. :)
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05:31:37SnippyCarcassDoes the current build of rockbox work with iPod firmware 1.2.3?
05:32:48krazykitas long as your device is listed on the front page, rockbox should work
05:33:18SnippyCarcassAlright, thanks.
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06:08:40soccerbapafter reading the guide, faq, and searching the forums to no avail, I'm going to feel pretty stupid if this is a common problem
06:08:52soccerbapmind if I explain?
06:09:07TyroazardWell, I don't know much, as I just came here yesterday
06:09:13TyroazardBut, they said to just ask
06:09:20soccerbapfair enough.
06:09:23TyroazardSomeone ought to get to it sooner or later.
06:09:42soccerbapI have an ihp-140
06:10:08soccerbapfor whatever reason a few months ago it stopped being able to recognize files on the drive
06:10:23soccerbapit can read the folder structure, but can not detect or play files
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06:11:18soccerbapfor example
06:11:27soccerbapI'll got into a folder called "A perfect circle"
06:11:29soccerbapand it will be empty
06:12:00soccerbapso my first thought was, maybe I'm having disk errors. I ran chkdsk with the /f and /x modifiers
06:12:33soccerbapsorry, minor correction
06:12:42Lloreansoccerbap: Are you using Rockbox?
06:12:45soccerbapit "fixed" a bunch of errors, but that was not the big deal
06:12:47soccerbapyes llorean
06:12:52Lloreansoccerbap: What "File View" mode are you in?
06:13:07TyroazardYeah, that link said to change the file view too.
06:13:16TyroazardView files, rather.
06:13:34soccerbapI see
06:13:37soccerbapa moment please
06:14:32soccerbaplooking for the setting
06:15:22soccerbapI feel REALLY dumb
06:15:27soccerbapit does
06:15:29soccerbapthank you
06:15:34soccerbapmaybe I'm not searching the forums correctly
06:15:45soccerbapI'm so happy, I think I'll give back
06:15:50TyroazardI just searched for empty folders
06:15:54soccerbapI'm going to sit in this channel till I can help some other poor sap with a problem.
06:16:23TyroazardYeah, I had problems yesterday. Turns out Rockbox's releases don't follow Apple'
06:16:27Tyroazards releases
06:16:36Tyroazard(Damned enter key. ._.)
06:17:13TyroazardAnd I got the wrong version, thinking that it was sorted 60G and then 30/80G
06:19:23TyroazardUgh, I hate this version of mIRC, be right back.
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06:20:49TyroazardAm I connected?
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06:23:32TyroazardTesting 123, this is TYR56 to ATC, do you copy? Over.
06:23:34scorcheTyroazard: why dont you have a look at the irc logs on the site and see for yourself...
06:27:33TyroazardHmm.. USB mode worked yesterday..
06:27:38TyroazardWhat'd I do yesterday?
06:30:57TyroazardUhm, adding songs to my iPod just requires copying the file to the drive now, right?
06:34:04krazykitonly if you don't care about listening in the OF too
06:34:51krazykityou can still use itunes if you want to be able to listen on the apple firmware too, provided you use the rockbox database.
06:35:19krazykitif you don't care about the apple firmware, you can just copy it over using explorer or finder or whatever
06:35:30TyroazardAnd then use the database thing?
06:36:06TyroazardGah, my video converter can't convert to .mpeg
06:36:11krazykityou pretty much have to if you use itunes to sync music
06:36:21krazykitotherwise,it's up to you
06:36:27TyroazardI have a .mpg and Rockbox refuses to play it
06:37:24krazykityou're sure it's mpeg1 or mpeg2 and of the proper size?
06:37:52TyroazardOh, it has to be the proper size?
06:37:56TyroazardWell.. that kinda sucks.
06:38:48krazykitwell, it can be larger, but it'll be cut off
06:39:02TyroazardSo can Rockbox read .mp4 files?
06:39:24LloreanYes, it can read mp4 files. Containing AAC streams.
06:39:31LloreanIt can't read MP4 files containing video.
06:39:38TyroazardI found the mpeg 2/1 conversion
06:39:41Tuplanolla <−− there's a very nice videolan player batch script which will convert videos to the right format
06:39:44LloreanMP4 files are not a video format, they're just a container you can put various things in.
06:39:47krazykiti assumed video
06:39:54TyroazardWhat should I convert it to?
06:40:00Tyroazardmpeg 1 or 2?
06:40:50Tuplanollaconvert it with the script i linked, it works at least on sansa :)
06:41:11Tuplanollaif you have something else, you have to modify it a little bit
06:42:01TyroazardAnd to get it to work?
06:42:07TyroazardI'll just open up the batch
06:42:12Tuplanollayou need to have VLC player installed
06:42:20TyroazardI see.
06:42:25Tuplanollathe drag'n'drop files on the script
06:42:32Tuplanollaand it will do it for you.
06:42:32TyroazardYeah, I saw.
06:42:56Tuplanollabut remember to modify the resolution
06:43:29TyroazardWhere does the file come out?
06:43:59Tuplanollathe same directory where the original file is
06:44:20TuplanollaNo problem ;)
06:44:30TyroazardI kicked ass yesterday
06:45:02TyroazardSpecifically, I kicked a user (Actually me connecting to the server twice) called Ass.
06:45:49TyroazardSo yeah, I kicked ass.
06:53:48scorcheTyroazard: this is an on-topic channel...please help to keep it so
06:54:24TyroazardYeah. I know. You guys really should have an off topic branch. ._.
06:54:44safetydanTyroazard: and you should read the topic... the topic...
06:55:11TyroazardOh, that wasn't there yesterday.
06:55:16scorcheyes, it was
06:55:23scorcheit has been there for months
06:55:36TyroazardMy bad then.
06:56:00soccerbapthanks a ton
06:56:09soccerbap*bows out*
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06:56:19TyroazardHappy New Yea-
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07:35:12JdGordonhey all
07:37:18TyroazardHello there.
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08:14:30GodEatergood morning ladies
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08:56:26JdGordonmorning amiconn, are you still planning on merging the various lcd bitmap drawing functions?
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09:01:49MrKeunerhi, is it possible disable some of the menu items in rockbox?
09:02:09LinusNMrKeuner: not without recompiling rockbox
09:02:39JdGordon... well not really... depends which you want to disable
09:02:41GodEaterthat rio karma post in new ports isn't a cool as I was hoping, but perhaps it will help
09:02:57MrKeunerJdGordon: some items in the main menu for example?
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09:04:01JdGordonim just being stupid.... you can disable the bookmarks item without recompiling.. but thats it
09:04:18MrKeuneroh, ok. thank you anyways
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09:29:35amiconnJdGordon: yes
09:29:49JdGordonany idea of timeframe?
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09:34:27Beta-guyI have rockbox install on my ipod VIA the rockboxutility, do I need to uninstall the rockbox on my ipod b4 installing an updated version?
09:35:38Beta-guyalso how do I reboot the ipod into the original apple OS?
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09:37:55morrijrBeta-guy: nope, and the manual tells all :)
09:39:01Beta-guyI just figured out how to reboot it (again) so you saying just go ahead and update?
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10:36:37pixelmaLinusN: ehm... the link to the reopened flyspray task in the forums contains the "reopen" in the address... now it looks like I would have reopened it...
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10:49:01LloreanIt's a development and support channel. It's quiet unless people have questions, or discussion is happening between devs.
10:49:56ChristineThamLlorean: do you know anyone who has upgraded the hard disk on a gigabeat x series?
10:50:27peturLlorean: forum troubles?
10:50:38Lloreanpetur: Yeah, they've come back. It's done this the last couple days
10:50:50LloreanAnd I made a typo while attempting to fix a post. :(
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10:52:50LloreanChristineTham: I think it's just a standard 1.8" ZIF connector drive
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10:53:30ChristineThamgood. i just ordered a toshiba mk1011gah
10:53:51Lloreanpixelma: I fixed LinusN's post to be a normal task link
10:54:50peturLlorean: heh, was going to do the same and then the forum failed :/
10:55:12ChristineThampetur: thanks for the link. i was wondering whether anyone has done it for the gigabeat x and whether there are any gotchas. guess i'll find out when the hard disk arrives.
10:55:16pixelmaLlorean: thanks, would have done it later (if I was able to) but thought maybe he could do it himself... :)
10:55:28Lloreanpetur: I was in the middle of doing it before the forum failed. I typed taks instead of task. When I attempted to save the "fix" it stopped responding. Apparently the fix got through though.
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10:55:54markun_ChristineTham: which HDD did you buy? and for which Gigabeat X?
10:56:03LloreanChristineTham: There really *shouldn't* be any Gotchas in regards to a straight replacement of an HD with a larger capacity HD, as long as the physical dimensions match
10:56:17markun_and the connector (ZIF)
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10:56:30ChristineThammarkun: howdy. i bought the toshiba mk1011gah (100gb zif connector drive) - hoping to upgrade my x60
10:56:38Lloreanmarkun_: I'd already specified it needed ZIF earlier. :)
10:56:59markun_Llorean: sorry, just looked at a few hi-lighted lines :)
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10:57:19*Llorean wonders what the Gigabeat S does when presented with an empty FAT32 formatted drive.
10:57:29*petur wonders when somebody will try those samsung 120GB drives with ata connector on an iriver :)
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10:57:37ChristineThami don't know what to do with the original 60gb if everything is successful - i was hoping to use it on my laptop, but apparently it uses the 50 pin connector, and not zif :-)
10:57:57LloreanLaptops usually use 2.5" drives anyway
10:58:01markun_ChristineTham: there are some cheap USB cases on ebay
10:58:11ChristineThampetur: are those easy to get? i'm thinking of buying one for my f40
10:58:29ChristineThamllorean: mine uses 1.8" (it's a fujitsu sub-notebook)
10:58:33Lloreanpetur: I certainly wouldn't mind an h1120 for recording. :)
10:58:46peturChristineTham: there were some on ebay, but we're unsure they are compatible
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10:59:26ChristineThampetur: i'm happy to give it a try, but i don't think ebay has it anymore
10:59:30*petur will go the h316 route for recording - no disk but CF
10:59:57markun_ChristineTham: you could connect it externally to your laptop:
11:00:24Lloreanpetur: If the e200 had better recording capabilities, it'd make a better flash recorder wouldn't it? 8gb unit, with a pocket full if MicroSDHC cards?
11:01:02peturLlorean: yes, we need a new/better recording target :)
11:01:33Lloreanpetur: Though I *think* someone said it might be possible to get 44khz recording with the e200 if the hardware could be overclocked stably.
11:01:59peturwere there no noise issues caused by the LCD refresh?
11:02:09LloreanI don't know if anyone's gotten that far with testing.
11:02:11pixelmaLlorean: also depends on if it would record electrical noise...
11:02:42*petur doesn't like electrical noise and prefers good old rock :p
11:02:52ChristineThammarkun: thanks for the link. very interesting. may buy one of those (but the shipping cost will be prohibitive
11:02:58LloreanDo they even make recording DAPs outside of things with either basic voice recorders, or a bit of radio recording?
11:03:18pixelmae.g. on my backlight moded Ondio I can hear the backlight in a recording, so I need to turn it off. Other than that it's a quite nice recording target even though I haven't used it for much yet :)
11:03:19peturLlorean: less and less sadly
11:03:37ChristineThamLlorean: have a look at the m-audio micro track 96/24 - it's based on a portalplayer chipset
11:03:53ChristineThamthat's what i use to record concerts
11:04:51ChristineThamedirol also have a few models
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11:05:17peturI figure my two h300 will be with me for a while ;)
11:05:26markun_ChristineTham: you live in australia, right?
11:05:44pixelmaLlorean: and I think it was jhMikeS who said that he could imagine to get at least 32kHz out of the Sansa for recording somehow
11:05:46ChristineThammarkun: yes
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11:07:08markun_ChristineTham: this one is not so expensive to australia:
11:08:45ChristineThammarkun: thanks - clicking on "buy it now"
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11:12:25ChristineThammarkun: i'll let you know in a few days if the upgrade is successful
11:14:14amiconnpetur: What better recording target could there be than the iriver H1x0? It has line, mic, and s/pdif recording...
11:16:26LloreanI'm sure there's always room to upgrade the SNR and available sample rates on analog recording.
11:18:55amiconngray_scroll.c: 931 lines -> grey_scroll.c: 351 lines :)
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11:21:18markunamiconn: nice job!
11:21:21markunwhat about binsize?
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11:21:39ipodhellCould anyone kindly assist me with some issues (or, a single issue) I am having with the stable build of rockbox and a gen5 80 gig?
11:21:54Bagderthe stable build?
11:22:00amiconnDon't know yet. One part is still to be converted (gray_draw.c) before I can start integrating & testing
11:22:40amiconnBut binsize should be smaller as well, although not as much as source
11:22:47peturamiconn: a target that can be bought?
11:22:58amiconnThere's always ebay...
11:23:05markunBagder: I guess he means the official build
11:23:14ipodhellThis is the rockbox help channel right?
11:23:18markunipodhell: it is
11:23:54peturamiconn: less and less. Most people at taperssection have ended the iriver period and look ahead.
11:24:04markunipodhell: but mostly a lot of developers talk
11:25:35pixelmaipodhell: rule of thumb (and in the guidelines...) - just ask. You can't get any help if you don't state the problem, we aren't psychic... ;)
11:25:36amiconnpetur: The cf based iaudios should work equally well (minus the s/pdif capability, but plus the ability to record at 88.2kHz). Not sure how readily available they are (I only monitored M3 availability, but not M5 or X5)
11:26:41ipodhellAlright I'm just going to ask the question :P I have installed rockbox, everything is in .rockbox on the ipod drive and everything seems to be fine, except for one thing - the bootloader, no matter what I do the bootloader wont install, I have tried both the rockbox included version and the standalone patcher. One says the ipod is not found and to put it in discmode and the other just says not found
11:27:41ipodhellFunny thing is, the ipod has a tick on it in discmode but then when I connect it it turns to a flashing cross, same goes for if I put it in discmode when its already connected etc.
11:28:01pixelmaipodhell: and are you sure it is a gen 5 Ipod, not a Classic?
11:28:09ipodhellIts just odd that it says no ipod found for the bootlader yet everything else semt to install from the auto app
11:28:28ipodhellI bought it 3 days ago, its a classic, but the most recent version
11:28:36ipodhellplays video etc
11:28:41ipodhellthats gen 5 isnt it?
11:29:52ipodhellSo, could anyone kindly tell me what the latest 8-gig/video classic is called?
11:30:15amiconnIt's called classic
11:30:33amiconnNot video classic, not anything else. And it's 6th gen, not 5th or 5.5th
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11:31:13ipodhell6th gen? so theres not even a rockbox for it yet anyway?
11:32:20ipodhellwow, 2 hours of screwing around for nothing.. cheers :)
11:32:39pixelmafor comparison...
11:33:20pixelmaleft: the Classic, right: the Video (or 5th gen)
11:33:51amiconnThat 5th gen is scratched....
11:34:09ipodhellSo are there any alternatives for the 6th gen classic or am I screwed?
11:35:11Bagderthe latter
11:35:14Bagderfor now at least
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11:43:09ipodhellOk, I found this All makes sense now. Oh well, I guess I'm going to play the waiting game. I'm one of them idiot FOSS advocates that cant stand having proprietry software on anything but my mobile, It would have been really nice to check this out but I don't think I'm going to sell it off and roll-back just to use it *grin*..
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11:56:49Casainho_Bagder: are you there?
11:57:43Casainho_Bagder: what you think about the possibility that a company work with us to make a board?
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11:58:12BagderI'd say that's a slim chance, but what do I know?
11:59:35BagderI listened to a talk from an openmoko guy
11:59:47Bagderhe said FIC is interested in new interesting hw products...
12:00:12Bagder(makers of the Neo1973 etc)
12:00:16Casainho_have you seen Olimex MOD-MP3 MP3 PLAYER MODULE? -
12:01:17BagderI don't like hw decoders much
12:01:20Casainho_About FIC, I don't know... but If we at RB design and define an hardware, maybe It will open the possibility to someone build that to earn some cash
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12:01:45BagderFIC is a super-huge taiwanese hw manufacturer
12:02:30Casainho_I also don't like hw decoders, nor them, I think - that would be good If they upgrade their boards for a new king of MP3 player, based on software decoder, in this case, Rockbox :-)
12:03:13Casainho_how can I convince them and others?? - I would like to get help on that...
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12:04:09Casainho_also, do you know Makezine MP3 Daisy kit? -
12:05:08Bagderanother hw decoder thing
12:05:20Bagdereven using the same decoder chip family
12:06:47Casainho_if you see, Makezine have a shop for DIY kits... they should be interested on a good DAP, to substitute that Daisy MP3....
12:07:03Casainho_but I am afraid of not know how to talk with them....
12:07:07Bagderwell, perhaps they just sell what others make
12:07:32Casainho_hmmm... in what sense "what others make"??
12:08:01Casainho_well, If someone assembly that kits, we must find them :-)
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12:08:55Casainho_Bagder: you are an experienced man in this field, can't you help?
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12:10:13BagderI'm not experienced in the field of trying to find companies who want to sell or manufacture mp3-players
12:10:37Casainho_I thought you were :-)
12:10:45Casainho_okok, I will make that!!!
12:10:55Casainho_about Neo1973, OpenMoko
12:11:30Casainho_that hardware is much more than we need, expensive and not stable hardware, we can't control that :-(
12:11:54Bagderbut with already existing sw, a company that sells it and an existing community
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12:12:38Casainho_I think we should have a company working with us to have hardware for us! :-)
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12:13:45Casainho_Rockbox can give legal problems because of codecs.... but can for sure give some money for who assembly and sell It...
12:13:45Bagdersure, that would be nice
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12:14:35Casainho_do you have any advice for next steps?
12:14:50Casainho_I am lose...
12:14:53Bagderyes, don't put your hopes to a company doing this
12:15:03GodEaterphone companies. Speak to them.
12:15:05Bagdersettle for a hw design and use that build-your-own style
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12:15:31Bagderprove that the design works and that there's working software
12:15:47Bagdershould put yourself in a better position when trying to convince companies
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12:16:36BagderI think the very reason you don't already see companies selling products like this is because companies don't see much value in doing so
12:16:54Bagderthe idea isn't exactly new
12:18:06Casainho_I understand
12:19:45Casainho_but there is that companies that I said, like Olimex, that are selling... I believe I can convince them, maybe just after having a proving hardware + software
12:20:32Casainho_GodEater: phone companies, Rockbox as application :-)
12:20:59GodEaterCasainho_: No, I meant "call companies on the phone". Not talk to phone companies.
12:22:05Casainho_GodEater: Ok :-) But I fell more secure talking at small ones that already assembly and sell online similar products...
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12:22:58GodEaterwell you asked for advice on what to do. That's the advice I'm giving you.
12:23:32GodEatergiven that NONE of us in this channel to my knowledge work for such a company, nor have we ever approached one - you're completely on your own here. Asking the same question "what should I do now?" over and over isn't going to get you a better answer.
12:26:15Casainho_GodEater: :-) thank you
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12:30:11MrKeunerhi people, I need a sansa rockbox theme with huge fonts for my 70 year old dad. Anyone seen something like that?
12:30:50TuplanollaMrKeuner: BigAqua?
12:31:33Tuplanolla and all themes that start with 'Big'
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12:49:57MrKeunerI am having really hard time to make my dad understand the source feature when recording stuff, he records voices and recordings from the radio all the time but just cannot get along with the idea of changing the source each time. Is there an easier way of doing them. Such as different menu items or such?
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12:55:20amiconnwoot! The greylib seems to work nicely. Tested on recorder so far
12:57:15amiconnOf course it's slower than the old graylib at low bit depths (cube.rock with solid is twice as slow - this used the old graylib with only 4 shades), but that's expected
12:57:18pixelmaMrKeuner: when you enter the recording screen from the radio (via "recording" in the radio menu, the source seems to be set to radio automatically even though you can have it set differently in the global recording settings). I just checked because I haven't used it myself much yet...
12:57:57pixelmait doesn't seem to change the global settings just override them
12:59:29MrKeunerpixelma: are using sansa as well? It looks like the rec button doesn't work when rockbox is in radio mode
12:59:50MrKeunerI'm talking about an hardware button
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13:01:23pixelmaI have a c200 - and as I said from the radio you have to call the recording screen via the radio context menu (e200 manual says "long select") then chose the "recording" item
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13:03:48pixelmaunfortunately the documentation is very sparse there... :\
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13:08:11amiconnMeh. Archos fire.rock would need 360 bytes more plugin ram than what is available :(
13:09:45LinusNamiconn: new graylib?
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13:11:52LinusNany advantages?
13:11:57amiconnThe new lib needs less ram than the old one needed when that was set to 17 shades or more, but unlike the old one, the new lib cannot degrade gracefully
13:12:31amiconnYes, more shades, faster, and needing less memory (compared to the old lib at 17 or more shades)
13:13:01amiconnThe new greylib offers 129 shades, always
13:14:26LinusNi see
13:14:57conandoand a white shade of pale ;)
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13:17:21amiconnPlasma is ~30% faster _on archos_, even though the number of shades increased (~20 -> 129), and the new isr draws more cpu power (that's the tradeoff)
13:18:12amiconn(plasma couldn't use the maximum of 33 shades on archos with the old lib because that would not have fit the plugin ram)
13:18:41conandoi only have the archos player :(
13:18:51pixelmaLinusN: seen my comment almost 3h ago? ;)
13:19:35amiconnfire needs one too many buffers :/
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13:21:21pondlifeNico_P: Any idea what went wrong with auto-folder advance when you made the playlist index consistent with the WPS?
13:21:27conandoamiconn: well i guess it's not the "killer application" anyways... ;)
13:21:48amiconnNo, but I don't like breaking stuff...
13:22:22pondlifeIt's ok to break stuff locally, just don't commit until you unbreak it too..
13:22:23conando"collateral damage" ;P
13:23:53conandobut how would you just free another 360 bytes "magically"?
13:24:55amiconnPerhaps by making the graphics slightly smaller than the screen
13:25:21amiconn(just for archos of course)
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13:34:44LinusNpixelma: haha, oops
13:35:03LinusNthat explains why it was reopened so many times
13:37:23Nico_Ppondlife: not really, no...
13:37:46pondlifeOK, just wondered.
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13:58:25RaZorbacKto undo all changes in my source tree, it's svn revert -R. right ?
13:58:36RaZorbacKdon't seem to work ...
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14:01:34petura space between -R and . ?
14:01:45RaZorbacKho ok
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14:26:10amiconnWhy does arm allocate 4 bytes for a struct that only contains 2 char members?
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14:26:44peppowith recent firmwares on my ipod video 80gb, I get runaway NEXT-skipping, when using a .m3u8 playlist and random
14:29:17RaZorbacKhas the #6240 patch already been commited ?
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14:31:18amiconnWow, turboplasma on ipod mini :)
14:32:24amiconnAnd jpegs look great without the visible banding of the old graylib :D
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14:37:26amiconnNow the plugins left to adapt are doom, mpegplayer, and zxbox
14:38:14amiconnAnd the fire.rock fix for archos. Then the first version could be committed
14:39:44peppois there a changelog on the website?
14:41:06peturyes. Did you look?
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14:41:44peppoah there, behind dev.cgi?
14:43:42peppookay, wasn't able to find anything that should be related to ipod video next going crazy and skipping song after song...
14:43:59peppoalso, I've yet again suffered from having more than one entry of every identical file (non .Trash related)
14:44:08peppoI now have 4 duplicate entries with each album in the database
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14:45:59Nico_Ppondlife: I was wrong to say the change was in svn... it was in the git branch. the revert commit is this one:;h=03b43e108be519f6fdffeb83c923a65fba292a50
14:46:21Nico_PI'm going to try to make it work with auto folder advance
14:46:48pondlifeGood luck
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14:47:31Nico_Pa hack I can think of is to call playlist_next in audio_check_new_track when the playlist is on its last track
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14:51:23webguest00Hello, there is a broken link in this web page
14:52:26webguest00well the 2 links are inverted
14:52:41peturah I see
14:52:54webguest00for the programs
14:53:37webguest00nice !
14:54:27webguest00bye bye
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15:13:46GodEater <−− worth a read for giggles
15:16:59peturisn't that a problem regardless of DRM because ipods do not play WMA?
15:17:44peturor do they play WMA, just not the ones with DRM?
15:17:52*petur also saw
15:24:38GodEatergood question - don't know!
15:26:48peturseems not
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15:41:19DerPapstnope... iPods cannot play wma (without rockbox ofcourse :-P) but iTunes offers to reencode wma to an iPod-friendly format ^^
15:41:49LambdaCalculus37Silliest lawsuit I've heard in a VERY long time. Worth a few chuckles though. :)
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15:51:31conandolol.. the drm supporters become more silly every day...
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15:57:41guest08hi, can someone tell me what "WVS" means?
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15:58:10DerPapst"While Viewing Screen" or similar.
15:58:41guest08oh, thank you.
15:59:06conandoor "while video screen" ;)
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16:15:51guest08wow, the seeking support for the mpegplayer is nice. what is the recommended GOP size for h300 for fast seeking?
16:16:25DerPapst15 to 30? don't know for sure.
16:17:47guest08i read that in the commit message, but i was wondering what the recommended value for that specific target is.
16:19:14DerPapstit's not one of the fastest targets like gigabeat. So i'd say these values fit for the h300 as well. but you can make some test videos and experiment a bit with these values.
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16:50:07Nico_Ppondlife: I have a patch
16:50:59pondlifePop it on FS? I'm a bit squished at the mo.
16:52:11Nico_PI haven't tested to see if it fixes the actual reported bug, but it should
16:52:37conandobtw LLorean: thanks for tipping me of in direction of i-frame only mpeg2.. works great if you require high quality video (and trade it for much lower compression) so i won't have to try to implement something like an mjpeg player myself ;)
16:52:44pondlifeShould also help the playlist viewer, right?
16:53:08pondlifeAnd any other bit of UI that might have been a little out of sync..
16:53:10Nico_Ppondlife: yes. the playlist is only updated once the track has actually changed (at the end of the transition)
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17:01:17pondlifeNico_P: Pity we can't get rid of those messy playback state variables (automatic_skip, new_playlist etc.)..
17:02:06pondlifeI'm sure there must be some way that all the special cases come out in the wash.
17:03:31Nico_Pthat would be nice, yeah.
17:04:04pondlifeIt's one of those bits of code I've attacked but never had the guts to fix up as I don't know if I understand it all.
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17:05:24Nico_PI've been thinking of trying to make the playback engine use a state machine approach, but haven't had time and courage do do much yet
17:05:51pondlifeCrossfade/gapless is the tricky bit, IIUC.
17:05:58Nico_PI need to look at jhMikeS' mpegplayer code for inspiration
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17:06:18pondlifeMaybe we can implement video crossfade ;)
17:06:23Nico_PI don't completely understand how those work
17:07:12Nico_Pbut from what I gather, they're not really part of the playback engine, but rather the PCM layer
17:08:04YippMNi put a couple mpg's on my sansa e260 , and when i play them the audio is going way fast and the peple sound like chipmunks , did i miss somthing or do i have to redo the mpgs somehow?
17:09:49conandoYippMN: did you resample/encode the audio at exactly 44100kHz?
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17:10:46YippMNconando, hmm nope just used them from a friends didgital camera hmm , mite have to take a look
17:11:10YippMNnow to figure out the simplest way to do that :)
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17:12:48Tuplanollayou can use a vlc script
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17:13:52conandohm you would have to encode from it's output to a compatible mpeg2.. or if the video editor exports directly to mpeg2 and lets you choose the exact resolution, bitrate etc. than it's fine too
17:14:16Tuplanolla 4.01 07:40:42 < Tuplanolla> <−− there's a very nice videolan player batch script which will convert videos to the right format
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17:17:35conandohm are you on windows or linux?
17:17:46YippMNlinux running gentoo
17:17:50conandoi'd install videolan client (vlc - from ..
17:17:51YippMNand kde
17:18:07conandoor try mplayer.. perhaps you even have it installed already
17:18:22YippMNyes i have mplayer just looking at kmplayer right now
17:18:42conandoit outputs quite detailed information about the file/streams into the console window you started it from
17:19:11conandoah ok.. dunno about kmplayer.. i guess it's a kde mplayer frontend/gui
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17:19:52conandoperhaps it has a "stream information" or similar menu entry/button hidden somewhere
17:20:06YippMNhmm kmplayer does have a console window you can open looks like all the detilas there
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17:20:44conandothen it should give you all you need.. resolution, bitrate.. audio bitrate/channels etc.
17:21:24YippMNahh yess audio bitrate is 32000 it seems :)
17:21:53conandoso that's the problem.. if you resample/encode it with 44100 it should work fine ;)
17:22:54YippMNwhat i haven't been able to figure out is why the colors in the vid are goofy , the yellow piper cub is purple, grass is red, sky is green hmmm :)
17:23:51YippMNyeah well this is a new project for me too , to learn video editing , to move vhs stuff ans vids like this to dvd not sure what i would use to resample/encode hmm
17:23:53conandohm that's strange.. and when playing it back on your pc everything looks fine?
17:24:14YippMNno thats playing it on my machine in kmplayer
17:24:32conandoperhaps you encoded the mpeg file with a wrong color space...
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17:24:53conandoah.. but the original looks fine? what do you use to encode?
17:25:25YippMNyes it looks fine in xine and on rockbox , just audio on rockbox is fast
17:25:57YippMNdidn't encode it , my friends didgital still camera makes mpg in video mode
17:26:20YippMNguess i need to test some mpgs other than that
17:26:36YippMNguess i'm probly getting away from topic here hehe
17:26:48conandoyes :)
17:27:11conandobut i guess the channel police is currently asleep or afk :P
17:31:54YippMNhmm i'm stumped , can't seem to find out anyhting on mpg resampling/encodeing hmm
17:39:26YippMNcan i play .wmv on rockbox?
17:40:05GodEateryou'd have to convert to mpeg 1/2 first
17:40:30YippMNhmm yeah i guessaudio is at 20000 hmm ok :)
17:40:41GodEaterhave you not looked at the mpegplayer wiki page ?
17:40:44YippMNyeah just though that as i spoke :)
17:40:55GodEaterthere's recommended ways to convert you movies right there
17:41:18YippMNahh ok no i haven't is that on the rockbox site then
17:41:21YippMNor a link
17:41:31GodEatergo to the wiki link
17:42:42YippMNyup thee now :)
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18:07:11Xerion[18:06] <Xerion> w00t new hd for my h140 (now h160) seems to work :P
18:10:00Xerionfinally i can use my dap again
18:10:14Xerionnow to keep myself from dropping it again ;)
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18:17:50GermXHey guys, I just set up rockbox on my iHP-120, and now I'm overwhelmed by the number of sound options available. Can someone give me some advice as to how to best set it up?
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18:28:27LambdaCalculus37GermX: Well, that depends on a few factors.
18:29:28LambdaCalculus37Your headphones/earbuds, what you're listening to, and what codecs you're using are some of the factors.
18:30:30salty-horseis svn's jethead71 around?
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18:32:27salty-horse −− what does this mean? "Codec API becomes incompatible so full updates!"
18:33:59jhMikeSsalty-horse: it means codecs for older builds will no longer work.
18:35:10GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: I would say the most important factor is "what you like the sound of" too
18:35:17GodEaterno-one else can tell you that
18:35:29GermXI'm using Grado SR-60s and/or Koss KSC-75s, listening mostly to rock/alt-rock, LAME 3.97 or aotuv b5
18:35:45GermXI understand that, but there's so many damn options, I don't even know where to start :P
18:36:53DerPapststart with the first one?
18:36:57salty-horsejhMikeS, how do I rebuild the codecs?
18:37:02*GodEater doesn't fiddle with any of the audio options at all, and likes the way Rockbox sounds just fine.
18:37:38salty-horsejhMikeS, specifically, that revision causes my sansa to crash on playback. I tried rebuilding everything (make clean; ../tools/configure; make)
18:37:39jhMikeSsalty-horse: just 'make'.
18:37:53GermXAlso, is there a quick way to save sound configs so you can toggle between them
18:37:59GermXfor ABXing
18:38:17GodEateryes, just save your entire config
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18:39:23jhMikeSsalty-horse: I guess make sure to "make zip" and extract that too. I can't see any other reason for a problem there since it's just a recording change.
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18:39:57salty-horsejhMikeS, I always install by "make zip" and unzipping with file replacement. still no good
18:40:20salty-horsei'll try a compiled version from
18:40:32jhMikeShave you tried resetting settings?
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18:41:10GermXIs there a way to change the information/logo that's shown on boot up?
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18:43:29salty-horsejhMikeS, yes. replaced .rockbox entirely −−−− ok, it's a problem with my build system. the build from works fine
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18:56:26rstoryhi.. i just converted my 3rd gen ipod from hfs to fat32 and installed rockbox (via linux). When it reboots after running ipodpatcher, it fails with "data abort at 00045b8c (0)"...
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19:02:25rstorytried again, and this time I get 'undefined instruction'...
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19:09:43countrymonkeywebI feel that fs#8132 is an important patch. It decreases the size of the .lng files allowing more buffir space for music. Is there a chance of this being committed?
19:13:36salty-horsecountrymonkeyweb, don't forget you can delete most .lng files anyway
19:15:41amiconnThis patch doesn't make sense. The incomplete .lang files need updating
19:15:41countrymonkeywebfor the people that use those translations (doubtful but possible)
19:17:07countrymonkeywebAren't the extra strings clutter?
19:18:25amiconnNo, why?
19:19:01countrymonkeywebBecause for the people that use the translations, you could add an extra kilobyte or 2 to music playback space.
19:19:11amiconnYOu can't
19:19:17amiconnThe buffer is static
19:19:52countrymonkeywebIt is? I thought it moved to fit the translations.
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19:20:36amiconnThe buffer is statically allocated. It has to be, otherwise you couldn't load a .lng file at runtime without reboot
19:20:56countrymonkeywebI get it.
19:21:01amiconnMany buffers in rockbox are statically allocated. Rockbox has no malloc(), that's by design
19:21:30countrymonkeywebok. Got to go.
19:21:42Slashericountrymonkeyweb: practically you wouldn't benefit from an extra 2kB at all
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19:31:06amiconnThe greyscale lib is slower than I thought on coldfire :\
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19:39:48stavromullahello, anybody round with experience on the sansadisk e280?
19:40:46scorche|wstavromulla: go ahead and ask your question
19:41:08stavromullaI'm trying to do recovery mode after a failed installation /deinstallation of rockbox
19:41:25stavromullaand my sandisk shows lun0 locked when I go into recovery mode on my mac
19:41:29stavromullaworks ok on a pc
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19:42:53scorche|wand it doesnt work on a mac with the messages?...i have seen those messages many times before and they do not indicate that recovery mode is not working
19:43:15stavromullawell, it doesn'T show up on my finder as the 16mb USB
19:43:27stavromullait doesn'T mount on the mac, whereas it mounts on a PC ok.
19:44:16scorche|wdoes it just not automount, or can you not manually mount it as well?
19:44:28stavromullaaha! good info, how do you manually mount it?
19:45:19stavromullaI'm not that well versed in these things..(as you might have guessed ;-))
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19:49:18rconanshould i still be able to load rockbox using the ipodloader2 from on a 3g ipod?
19:50:04floelehi everyone. I have a problem with my rockbox on Ipod 5.5. The playback of in particular higher bitrate files (FLAC) is "skippy", but not all the time. It often happens if rockbox continues playback on startup, and only seems to happen very rarely after it has been playing for a while. The reason seems to be a lot of hard disc activity (which continues for a couple of minutes even when I pause the current track, you can hear the disc working),
19:50:04floeleis doing at that time. database autoupdate is turned off, and it doesn't make a difference if I set the anti-skip buffer to 15 instead of 5 seconds.
19:50:17rconani get an error message saying "Undefined instruction at 00046494 (0)" although I don't know if it's rockbox or ipodloader2 which is doing that
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19:50:31stavromulla@scorchelw: I can see it in recovery mode in Utility disk. I'll try to work from there
19:51:21scorche|wrconan: ipl's bootloader is unsupported here
19:51:54scorche|wrconan: you can test to see if it is rockbox or ipl's bootloader by installing our own and seeing if you have the same issues
19:51:57stavromullascorchelw: as I've said, I can see it in the disk utility, but cannot mount it (the icon is gray)
19:52:34scorche|wstavromulla: i dont really know what that means, as i dont work on macs...perhaps google might be able to help you better on this?
19:52:41stavromullaaoh, I see, sorry
19:52:47stavromullaI am googling as we speak!
19:52:53stavromullathanks anyway!
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19:56:36rconanscorche|w, i ran ipodpatcher on it and now it doesn't boot at all
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19:58:32rconanok... sticking an original firmware on there then running ipodpatcher made it boot... still the same error with the rockbox bootloader
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19:58:55scorche|wrconan: what version of rockbox are you running?
19:59:13rconancurrent build
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20:00:05scorche|wwhat version exactly?
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20:01:13LambdaCalculus37floele: Do you have a 30GB iPod video, or an 80GB?
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20:02:38LambdaCalculus37floele: I raised my anti-skip buffer to 3 mintues. Try higher settings on yours.
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20:03:28LambdaCalculus37And that's strange that FLAC files skip on you. I have half the RAM (32MB on 30GB vs. 64 on 60/80GB) and never had skip issues with FLAC files.
20:03:38floelewell, I don't want to diagnose my problem too much without knowing anything, but I am quite sure that the unnecessary (?) high disc activity is the reason
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20:03:55floelewhich stops after a while
20:03:58rconanscorche|w, r15994
20:04:01floeleand then it runs fine
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20:04:08LambdaCalculus37floele: What SVN build do you have?
20:04:21floelea couple of days ago, do you need the exact version?
20:04:23scorche|wrconan: the whole thing please? makes it easier
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20:05:00LambdaCalculus37floele: Please. Go to System > Rockbox Info and read it from there.
20:05:07rconanscorche|w, what more version information is there?
20:05:53rconanscorche|w, oh... found it: r15994-080103
20:06:17LambdaCalculus37floele: Update your build and try to play a FLAC file again.
20:06:34floelesure, I'll try.
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20:13:50pixelmarstory: still around? Just read the logs and you reported problems on your 3rd gen Ipod? Unfortunately this is the current situation with some builds, try some of the archived daily builds
20:14:07floeleLambdaCalculus37: done, same problem. as soon as I started the track, rockbox doesn't stop reading from the disc, and causes skips
20:15:35floeleeven the pause button doesn't work correctly. it fades out, but then continues playing...
20:15:41floelewitn full volumne
20:16:04LambdaCalculus37floele: So I guess you've got Fade on Stop/Pause turned on, correct?
20:16:05floelenot working correctly during such a "skip phase". usually it works.
20:16:32LambdaCalculus37Try turning it off and see if it continues.
20:18:38floeleLambdaCalculus37: no improvement.
20:19:20LambdaCalculus37floele: Let me see if I can reproduce it on my iPod.
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20:22:00rconanscorche|w, any thoughts as to the problem?
20:22:07LambdaCalculus37floele: This is very strange indeed. I can't reproduce the problem you're having.
20:22:32LambdaCalculus37I started playing a Q8 FLAC, stopped playback, shut down and restart, and resumed playback.
20:22:37pixelmarconan: you have a 3rd gen Ipod tpp?
20:22:51LambdaCalculus37The disk spun down after 5 seconds... just like I have it set to do.
20:22:51rconanpixelma, yes
20:23:18floeleLambdaCalculus37: that would have been too easy ;)
20:23:46pixelmarconan: currently some builds are broken on the older Ipods (1st - 3rd gen). You could try some of the archived
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20:28:44amiconnThe greyscale lib might not be as fast as I'd thought it would be, but otherwise it works great :)
20:29:08LambdaCalculus37floele: It would've been. ;)
20:29:18amiconnNow you can play doom on h1x0 or greyscale ipods and actually recognise things (and enemies)
20:29:52floeleLambdaCalculus37: I just tried to change the theme. switched from slant to icatcher and it seems to work. might album arts be a problem? migght rockbox search all existing directories for such files (without the need to)?
20:30:42LambdaCalculus37floele: Maybe, but I'm use Cabbie 2.0 with album art and I have no problems.
20:30:58LambdaCalculus37But yes, album art may be causing problems.
20:31:14floelewell...the problem is that there are virtually no fancy themes for rockbox. so my choice is rather limited
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20:32:14LambdaCalculus37floele: You can try Cabbie 2.0 out. :)
20:32:26floelehm, where do I find it?
20:32:35floeleI always get lost at :-\
20:33:05LambdaCalculus37floele: Hang on a sec. doesn't have it
20:33:18rconanpixelma, seems to be a problem between 15984 and 15988
20:34:17amiconnThere's a general problem on PP5002 targets (ipod 1st..3rd gen). Some builds work, some don't
20:34:26LambdaCalculus37floele: Here ya go:;
20:34:41floelescreenshot as well?
20:35:01amiconnThis has nothing to do with what was changed in that build, but just depends on the fact that *something* changed and moved stuff around in memory
20:35:19amiconnUnfortunately we don't know yet why that happens
20:36:00amiconnThe good thing is that a build either works, or crashes almost instantly. Nothing inbetween
20:36:19rconanamiconn, wierd
20:38:31rstoryrconan: so 15984 works for your 3g?
20:38:46floeleLambdaCalculus37: the theme "cabbie default" doesn't show the album art
20:38:50LambdaCalculus37floele: and
20:38:54floeleare there special requirements?
20:39:16LambdaCalculus37floele: How are your album cover files named?
20:39:56LambdaCalculus37Same here.
20:39:57rconanrstory, yes
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20:40:15LambdaCalculus37floele: 100x100 size?
20:40:53floeleLambdaCalculus37: it does show it....but in opposite to slant it doesn't use parent directories' covers
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20:41:04rstorywoot! mine too..
20:41:04floeleonly what's in the same dir
20:41:10SimsgyHey guys
20:41:21LambdaCalculus37floele: Ahh. Should've told me that sooner. :)
20:41:40SimsgyDoes RockBox support Nano 3G?
20:41:43LambdaCalculus37So rearrange the cover.bmp files so that they're in the same folder as their respective albums.
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20:42:10LambdaCalculus37Simsgy: If I had a nickel for everytime someone asked that, I'd retire to Tahiti right now, a very rich man.
20:42:32SimsgyI'm guessing that's a no
20:42:50SimsgyBy the way, what's a 'Frame Work ID'?
20:42:51floeleLambdaCalculus37: one more thing...the screenshot looks different to my theme. the progress bar is not yellow but white, and there is no "now playing" bar at the top
20:43:07floeleand rockbox is on the right, not bottom left
20:43:42LambdaCalculus37floele: Sounds like it either didn't load correctly, or you probably unzipped it incorrectly.
20:43:52LambdaCalculus37What do you use to unzip files?
20:44:19LambdaCalculus37Get 7-Zip instead. Works much, much better.
20:44:20floeleso what does izarc do wrong?
20:44:45LambdaCalculus37izarc probably didn't keep the correct folder structure of the WPS zip file when it extracted.
20:45:05LambdaCalculus37But trust me, 7-Zip is much easier to work with.
20:45:07floeleworks fine for all other tasks ;)
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20:47:11floeleLambdaCalculus37: I'll try now, let's see...
20:47:44floeleLambdaCalculus37: is it on purpose, that a theme can decide how rockbock searches for album art?
20:47:56floeleand shouldn't it be a low priority task then?
20:49:15LambdaCalculus37floele: Here's the AlbumArt page on the wiki:
20:50:22floeleyep, I know
20:50:40floele"he pictures can be stored in the same directory (.) as the track or in the parent directory (..). "
20:51:18floeleapparently, the parent directory doesn't matter in your theme, and seems to be matter way too much in slant
20:52:08floeleand erm, 7-zip didn't make a difference here. still different from the screenshot
20:52:47floeleeither of them (screenshot or zip file) must be outdated, just want to make sure that it's the screenshot ;)
20:55:45floeleLambdaCalculus37: although the screenshot looks somewhat better
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20:58:35LambdaCalculus37floele: This may be a long shot, but try clearing your settings on your iPod.
20:59:15LambdaCalculus37GodEater_: Hey there!
20:59:24GodEater_evening ;)
20:59:41floeleLambdaCalculus37: would there be a way actually, to change the AA behaviour in slant? I suppose I'd still like this one best...
21:00:01LambdaCalculus37floele: I don't use Slant, so I can't really help you there. Sorry.
21:00:17floelewho could? ML?
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21:00:28LambdaCalculus37Perhaps, yes.
21:00:32LambdaCalculus37I'll be back.
21:00:41*LambdaCalculus37 will return in a moment.
21:00:48HTDHTDhey everyone
21:00:50floeleLambdaCalculus37: thanks for your help :)
21:01:42floeleLambdaCalculus37: and resetting settings did not change anything btw
21:02:48HTDHTDJust recently my iriver h10 20GB player just died (bad battery works on charger) it had rockbox installed dual booting with original firmware. I am now going to get a new mp3 player and looking into the iaudio X5, does anyone know if the rockbox firmware for iaudio X5 uses more battery than the original firmware of X5? (because it did this with my H10)
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21:07:22GodEater_HTDHTD: the answer to your question is that you should get *better* battery life with your X5 than with it's original firmware
21:07:46HTDHTDcause it was the other way around with the H10 firmware
21:08:08HTDHTDso i am assuming the x5 had dual boot when I want to go to its FM tuner?
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21:09:25LambdaCalculus37HTDHTD: What for? The FM Tuner is supported with Rockbox. (Someone want to confirm this?)
21:09:37LambdaCalculus37Besides, the X5 doesn't dual-boot.
21:09:44*GodEater_ was just going to say that
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21:10:24*LambdaCalculus37 for the win :)
21:10:35GodEater_and yes, the radio is supported on the X5 from Rockbox
21:10:45GodEater_(according to the friendly manual)
21:10:49HTDHTDoh really? thats awesome! the h10 didn't have FM tuner (the one I used maybe they update im not sure)
21:10:57LambdaCalculus37HTDHTD: It does now.
21:11:07HTDHTDwell no need for dual booting than
21:11:23LambdaCalculus37HTDHTD: Don't chuck your H10 out, though.
21:11:36LambdaCalculus37If anything, it'll be useful for a Tower of Rockbox. :P
21:11:57GodEater_surely the battery in the H10 is replaceable ?
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21:12:05HTDHTDits internal
21:12:10GodEater_so ?
21:12:10LambdaCalculus37GodEater_: On the 5/6GB model, it is.
21:12:23HTDHTDbesides its time for a new one anyways, this thing is years old lol
21:12:31*GodEater_ has replaced batteries in his ipod and H1x0
21:12:47*GodEater_ 's H1x0 is older still and still much loved
21:13:17GodEater_LambdaCalculus37: are you going to have a shot at getting hold of that eCos source ?
21:13:19HTDHTDyeah their older models are better than the new ones, iriver needs to re continue their old stuff
21:13:39LambdaCalculus37GodEater_: I'm going to try during the weekend to hunt it down.
21:14:02HTDHTDso did they also fix the battery issue on the new h10 firmware of rockbox?
21:14:12LambdaCalculus37Shhhh... be vewy vewy quiet... I'm hunting souwce code. Huhuhuhuhuhuh!
21:14:17GodEater_if it's closer to 502x than 500x as he says - it'll be very useful for all SORTS of targets :)
21:14:34GodEater_HTDHTD: No because the hardware is still undocumented
21:14:45GodEater_all our work on it is guess work
21:15:01LambdaCalculus37GodEater: And brother, that was a LOT of guess work. :)
21:15:39HTDHTDwhat do you mean undocumented?
21:15:51LambdaCalculus37HTDHTD: Meaning no public documents are available.
21:15:56GodEater_is it somehow ambiguous ?
21:16:08HTDHTDoh, but the X5 is documented?
21:16:17GodEater_mostly I believe yes
21:16:21LambdaCalculus37The X5 was Coldfire-based like the irivers.
21:16:30LambdaCalculus37Well, the H1x0 and H3x0, anyway.
21:16:45LambdaCalculus37I think that made most of the dirty work easy.
21:16:47HTDHTDcool, as long as the battery is = to or better than the original firmware on the X5 than I am happy
21:17:17LambdaCalculus37HTDHTD: On most targets, the battery life on Rockbox even exceeds that of the OF.
21:17:31HTDHTD(except the h10) but yeah that sounds great
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21:17:42pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: the H10 isn't the best brick for a ToR ;)
21:17:53HTDHTDso on the X5 rockbox firmware i can do everything the original firmware can right? (even connecting and playing songs through UMS)
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21:18:02HTDHTDwhats ToR
21:18:20pixelmaTower of Rockbox
21:18:39LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I saw the one you and amiconn made for Xmas... had an H10 on it.
21:18:54LambdaCalculus37I figure it's hard to keep from falling off or something?
21:19:05amiconnThat's why it stands upside-down
21:19:22pixelmajust stands on its top side
21:19:39HTDHTDif i make the X5 firmware into rockbox, can I still transfer playlist AND mp3s via UMS and than play them with the player even after they have been transfered via UMS? (because the original firmware of X5 has UMS mode)
21:19:43LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Is the bottom curved or something?
21:19:51scorche|xothe archos recorders are great bricks :)
21:19:57LambdaCalculus37HTDHTD: You still have UMS mode.
21:19:59rstoryso after connecting my rockbox enabled 3g ipod to my mac and copying some file to it, i eject it. screen says ok to disconnect, but no buttons do anything. how do I get back to the rockbox menu?
21:20:22LambdaCalculus37scorche|xo: Make great support platforms for the bottom of a ToR. :)
21:20:30GodEater_rstory: check for the hard reset sequence for the 3g
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21:20:54rstoryyeah.. i was hoping for something more... user friendly. ;-)
21:21:26pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: yes, if you look at the pictures again you can see it very clearly :)
21:21:31GodEater_rstory: there isn't any other way to do it
21:21:35*amiconn just discovered a binsize waste (in plugins
21:21:48GodEater_it's menu+play incidentally
21:22:23LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Yes, I see what you mean now. :)
21:23:36amiconnPlugins should be linked with −−gc-sections if they use pluginlib functions, but the sub-dir plugins don't (at least the ones I am fiddling with atm - doom, mpegplayer, and zxbox)
21:23:55LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I think you and amiconn have made the record for "Highest Amount of Unique DAPs in a Tower of Rockbox"... 13 unique players in all. :)
21:24:24amiconnYeah. We should've replace one Ondio FM with an Ondio SP though...
21:24:31amiconn(visually the same thing)
21:24:34pixelma1 is not Rockbox yet though
21:24:47LambdaCalculus3713 then.
21:24:57LambdaCalculus37Forgot about the M3.
21:25:12pixelmathe 2 OndioFMs are a bit different too - one is backlight modded :D
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21:29:10GodEater_amiconn: I don't supposed you've bothered to glance at the rio karma thread have you ?
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21:30:07GodEater_you might find it interesting...
21:30:16GodEater_one of the Rio hardware developers responded
21:30:32GodEater_it's not quite the PP documents we were hoping for
21:30:40GodEater_but he points at somewhere we could get some useful info
21:32:04LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Here, have a look:
21:32:49LambdaCalculus37Here I was, thinking that the PP5003 had more in common with the PP5002 than the 5020!
21:33:07HTDHTDdamn! The X5s are discontinued :( now I have to look for another player
21:33:18LambdaCalculus37HTDHTD: eBay is your best friend.
21:33:23HTDHTD4 results only
21:33:26LambdaCalculus37Or look at Amazon.
21:33:30HTDHTDoh yeah amazon
21:33:58LambdaCalculus37HTDHTD: And welcome to the same boat as me. I wanted to get my hands on an X5 for quite a while already.
21:34:32HTDHTDbah, amazon has 0 results only covers and cradles
21:34:55HTDHTDlooks like we'll be sinking in this boat :(
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21:35:57GodEater_HTDHTD: I thought you were aware already that basically no rockbox targets are in production any more.
21:36:09GodEater_HTDHTD: the sansas were the most recent, but even they're being replaced now.
21:36:27HTDHTDyeah i just thought it would be really common on ebay but i guess not :(
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21:36:36HTDHTDfirst time i never found anything on ebay
21:36:46GodEater_I think the only hard you'll find that is common on ebay is probably the ipod
21:37:03GodEater_brain is typing faster than my fingers can keep up =/
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21:38:44LambdaCalculus37HTDHTD: You can always try to pick up a Toshiba Gigabeat F off eBay. They tend to show up in large numbers and are usually pretty easy on the budget.
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21:39:23GodEater_plus their awesome targets (although they don't have FM radio)
21:39:49HTDHTDi wish, im VERY picky with my mp3 player selection
21:40:12LambdaCalculus37HTDHTD: How about an iriver H300 instead?
21:40:16HTDHTDhas to be UMS, must have FM tuner, must AT least be 20GB
21:40:23LambdaCalculus37Also excellent targets.
21:40:31GodEater_all rockbox targets are UMS
21:40:33*amiconn found 6x iAudio X5 on ebay atm
21:40:50LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Can you post a couple of listings for HTDHTD to see?
21:40:53HTDHTDyeah one of them is like 500$ cause its the last 60GB or something
21:40:54amiconn2 of them are even the 60GB model
21:41:20HTDHTDcan you post link please?
21:41:20amiconn( fwiw)
21:42:19*GodEater_ thought amiconn would be more excited by the hints in the rio thread...
21:42:19LambdaCalculus37Crap. Unless they ship to the U.S. and accept international money orders I'm BZZZ outta luck.
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21:42:38amiconnThese are the 60's:
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21:43:38LambdaCalculus37He has 8 X5's in stock??
21:44:08HTDHTDbut yeah lambdaCalculus37 is right, if they ship to US
21:44:12amiconnGodEater: Why? Yet another PP target with no docs?
21:44:20amiconnAnd the Karma is kinda strange looking
21:45:22LambdaCalculus37amiconn: I know a little bit of German, but judging from the pics on the auction, the seller's including screen protectors, the necessary cables, the LCD remote, and a case. Can you confirm?
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21:46:50GodEater_amiconn: because the guy is saying that they ran eCos on it, and uploaded their code changes back to the eCos tree
21:46:57amiconnLambdaCalculus37: The first offer, yes
21:46:59GodEater_which means the registers are documented in the eCos code
21:47:08*amiconn doesn't know what eCos is
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21:47:53GodEater_anonymous cvs access
21:48:41GodEater_Embedded Configurable Operating System
21:48:56amiconnLooks like the Karma uses a 2.5" hdd though
21:49:02GodEater_who cares?
21:49:19LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Actually, the Karma used the same Hitachi hard drive the H10 20GB used.
21:49:19GodEater_he says the 5003 is really really similar to the 502x series
21:49:23zekarma's hd is an odd form-factor... its not the same 2.5" as what ipods use
21:49:31LambdaCalculus371.8" horizontal orientation.
21:49:48zeLambdaCalculus37: haven't found that spare unit yet, it could be packed :/
21:49:54amiconnAh, connector at the long side?
21:50:01zeLambdaCalculus37: i'll keep looking though
21:50:05LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Precisely.
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21:50:19*amiconn wonders why 1.8" hdds come with so many different connectors
21:50:28*LambdaCalculus37 wonders the same thing
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21:51:30amiconn44-pin, long side (same as 2.5" hdd). 50-pin (irivers, iaudios, earlier ipods). CardBus (68-pin iirc). 40-pin ZIF, CE-ATA
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21:52:05peturCE-ATA = 12 pin?
21:52:25LambdaCalculus37Anyway, I did post a link to Karma disassembly instructions in the Karma wiki page; you can clearly see the hard drive here:
21:52:35scorche|wbring me too!
21:52:58scorche| did that land here?
21:53:05*scorche|w kicks cgi:irc
21:53:36amiconnpetur: Can be 12-pin or 18-pin
21:54:13SimsgyWrong chat
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21:54:36HTDHTDaw man this is so depressing, all the mp3 players for rockbox are disconntinued and not on ebay (the ones with FM tuner and bigger than 20GB)
21:55:09LambdaCalculus37HTDHTD: Did you try looking for an iriver H1x0 or H3x0?
21:55:19HTDHTDyep :( all they have are cables for it
21:55:25HTDHTDone of wont boot
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21:55:53HTDHTDi think im just going to carry my iriver H10 with my charger whereever i go
21:56:05HTDHTDill but one of those outlets you can put for your car
21:56:07GodEater_why not just get a new battery for it ?
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21:57:09HTDHTDi cant find =/
21:57:12LambdaCalculus37Well, I hate to cut this party short, but work time is over, and go home time is now.
21:57:17LambdaCalculus37I'll see everyone later!
21:57:20LambdaCalculus37Bye, all!
21:57:25HTDHTDthanks for your help
21:57:29HTDHTDgl in finding x5
21:57:35LambdaCalculus37HTDHTD: No prob. You too!
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21:58:45*GodEater_ checks out the eCos source code
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22:02:41GodEater_looks like we'll have to ask redhat
22:04:42*petur tries to remember the name of a cheap mp3 player using eCos
22:07:23GodEater_Well apparently the Rio was one....
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22:10:10peturTarga was the name
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22:42:05webguest88Hi, after installing rockbox on my Sansa E280 I can't access the files on the Sansa any more. When I connect the Sansa via my cable and the USB port, the Windows PC nevertheless doesn't recognize the device. any idea what I could do now?
22:42:32JdGordon|wyou cant connect to the computer while rockbox is running
22:43:19webguest88I do that but the sansa does only switch to the old firmware but in a mode which is not recognizable for windows
22:45:03webguest88Now I would like to uninstall rockbox but the sansapatcher doesn't work because the system doesn't recognize my sansa E280.
22:47:39JdGordon|whold << while booting up the sansa and make sure its still set to connect in MSC mode
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23:17:43Xerionthink i also need to get a new battery for my h140 now :p
23:18:05Xeriondisk will only spin up correctly when i have the adapter plugged in
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23:48:55*Buschel is frustrated :(
23:49:45Buscheleven disabling I2C register (if not needed) does not save any measurable amount of current on PP502x
23:50:23Buschelworks like charm, but does not give any better runtime :/
23:50:51amiconnBut usb did, didn't it?
23:51:26Buschelyep, usb did. but neither i2c nor clickwheel gave anything...
23:51:50Buschelstill hoping for saratogas PLL-measurment
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