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#rockbox log for 2008-01-05

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00:03:13BuschelI'll just let the runtime measurement finish this night and see whether there is at least a minor saving... will be <1mA then :(
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00:09:16amiconnjhMikeS: The greylib reinit when showing/hiding the WVS/OSD looks a bit weird.
00:09:49amiconnWould it be sufficient to allow clipping the lower border of the overlay, or do we need full clipping capability?
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00:13:47shotofaddsI'm trying to put together a patch for my initial work on the D2 port, anyone know how to get new files to show up in svn diff output?
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00:14:05Bagdersvn add them first
00:14:05amiconnjhMikeS: Or, still different, would it be best to have drawing functions (incl. text) for unbuffered mode
00:14:39linuxstbshotofadds: Hi. Does your patch share anything with the tcc77x code, or have you created a separate directory for the 7801?
00:16:08shotofaddsBagder: I tried to svn add recursively over the firmware/* directory, but nothing shows in svn diff or svn status. do i need to add the files individually?
00:16:13*amiconn ponders committing the new greylib
00:16:31Bagdershotofadds: hm, that might be the case yes
00:16:51shotofaddslinuxstb: initially I've created a new 7801 folder, but I can see there will end up being a lot of similarities.
00:17:03shotofaddsmight not be a good idea in the long run
00:17:53shotofaddsThe idea at the moment is to get a patch that others can use as a starting point, I'm not expecting it to be SVN quality yet.
00:18:07conandoah bagder is here... bagder, so are you sure that it's possible for a plugin to _schedule_ a song for the playback engine, and exit (the plugin) just before the song gets loaded/played?
00:18:21linuxstbshotofadds: What's the status of your code now? Is the LCD working reliably?
00:19:06Bagderconando: you didn't ask that before, and no I don't think there's any current functionality for that
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00:19:08shotofaddsyes, I have the LCD working reliably and a working button driver
00:19:24shotofaddsi'll try svn adding the files individually
00:20:33DerPapstdoesn't the jewels plungin has similar functionality?
00:20:38conandobagder: oh ok sorry, then the last time i wasn't really clear it seems.. that's what i wanted to do.. because that currently seems to be the only way to get the actual "pick&start a song" functionality into picture flow
00:21:05Bagderconando: I interpreted your question then as if it would be anything against adding such functionality
00:21:06linuxstbshotofadds: How many buttons does the D2 have? I thought it was touchscreen?
00:22:08conandobagder: ah i see.. well then i'll have a look... although i guess it'll be kinda hard for me as a novice to this project ;)
00:22:43Bagderconando: true... but good practise! ;-)
00:23:00BagderI figure there's some playlist functions that should be able to get used for it
00:23:15shotofaddslinuxstb: the three buttons are plus, minus and Menu. there's also power and hold switch. The OF uses plus minus as down/up in menus in addition to the touchscreen. it's a good starting point...
00:23:16conandohehe true true.. yes that's what i thought too
00:23:16Bagderthat may or may not already be in the plugin api
00:24:09shotofaddshmm.. individual svn add'ing seems to work. when i've put something together I'll post it to the forum, as a user there was interested.
00:24:39Bagdershotofadds: do put the patch in the patch tracker, and post a link to it in the forum
00:24:47conandobagder: i'm on my first rockbox adventure ;) thanks
00:25:13shotofaddsBagder: will do. that way I can't break it again unintentionally :)
00:25:20linuxstbshotofadds: Does your D2 have DAB?
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00:26:49shotofaddsYes, it's 4Gb DAB. The work I've done so far should be pretty generic though - DAB will be a whole new adventure for later!
00:27:58linuxstbDo you know what DAB hardware is in the D2? Is it the same as my Logik DAX -
00:28:51shotofaddsI'm not sure - I haven't taken it apart. Yet.
00:31:09shotofaddsgot to go - the other half is calling...
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00:45:31linuxstbamiconn: Have you looked at my viewports patch yet, or are you intending to before I commit it?
00:48:45amiconnNot yet, was busy with what I just committed, and I'm not done with it
00:49:57linuxstbNice commit ;) Does it increase the mpegplayer framerate?
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00:55:03*scorche|w glares at qwm
00:55:16*DerPapst hides
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00:58:22amiconnlinuxstb: Not as much as I hoped. I have some ideas for optimisation (using asm of course, but not nearly as much as the old lib had)
00:58:53*scorche|w runs away
00:58:56*amiconn also doesn't like the binsize increase especially on archos :/
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01:05:10***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:05:16batataxpto69can u help me?
01:05:20BigBambi_Just ask
01:05:26BigBambi_And use proper english please
01:05:28batataxpto69i've installed rockbox
01:05:44batataxpto69on a sansa e250
01:05:46BigBambi_And don't use the enter key as punctuation :)
01:05:59batataxpto69and i want to refresh the database
01:06:34batataxpto69ok, i will try to do not use enter key as ponctuation!
01:07:17pixelmabatataxpto69: do you mean the original firmware's one or Rockbox's database?
01:07:33batataxpto69the rockbox was refreshed the database automatically on the first usage, but now I can't refresh it again
01:07:48BigBambi_batataxpto69: Select initialise now to do it manually
01:07:52batataxpto69sorry for my english, by the way
01:08:12batataxpto69where i can find that BigBambi_?
01:08:26BigBambi_batataxpto69: Your english is fine, but many people rely on screen readers or translation software, so things like "u" not you are not so useful
01:08:34BigBambi_batataxpto69: In the database menu
01:10:22BigBambi_I don't use the database, but from memory settings - general settings - database - initialise now
01:10:40batataxpto69i see Artist, Album, Genre, composer, track, year, user rating, recently added, a to z, history, same as ccurrent, search and, finally, custom viwe
01:10:59BigBambi_batataxpto69: See above - it is in settings
01:11:12BigBambi_I should have said the database settings menu, my mistake
01:11:49BigBambi_Do you also have auto update turned on?
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01:12:22batataxpto69no i haven't
01:12:46batataxpto69ok, it's donw
01:12:49BigBambi_batataxpto69: Probably a good idea :)
01:12:54batataxpto69thank you
01:12:57BigBambi_Is there a load to ram setting on the sansa?
01:13:04pixelmaBigBambi_: isn't that slow on targets without dircache?
01:13:04batataxpto69yes, probaly is a good idea
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01:13:18BigBambi_pixelma: I don't know, I don't own one
01:13:31BigBambi_pixelma: But if you want any sort of autoupdating...
01:14:03BigBambi_I ought to buy a Sansa really. I know very little about them
01:14:14BigBambi_If anyone hears of a cheap one....
01:14:19pixelmathat's what I've been told... but I don't trust autoupdate anyway especially on targets with removeable media (and don't use the database too much)
01:14:21batataxpto69Is there a load to ram setting on the sansa? -> i don't have understanded, when i said that "sorry for my english" I was telling the treth
01:14:57BigBambi_batataxpto69: In the database settings menu (the one with auto update etc), is there an option called "Load to RAM"?
01:15:34pixelmaBigBambi_: no there isn't
01:15:45BigBambi_I thought not on Sansa, but wasn't sure
01:15:46batataxpto69no it isn't
01:16:16BigBambi_pixelma: I thought the slowness was for removing deleted files without load to RAM (or is that as well as slowness with no dircache)?
01:16:47 Nick BigBambi_ is now known as BigBambi (n=alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi)
01:17:32batataxpto69i need to sleep
01:17:59batataxpto69that is late here
01:18:07pixelmayou need to ask Slasheri for the details but as I understood (in a very nontechnical way) dircache helps the database to detect deleted, added and updated files
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01:19:03BigBambiI understood that performance was a bit worse without dircache, but that detection of deleted files required it
01:19:23BigBambiAnyway, as I say I don't know and don't use it, so am going to stop pointlessly speculating :)
01:20:09pixelmaI also only try the database from time to time, never used autoupdate
01:20:27BigBambime neither
01:22:14pixelmaI just tried manual "update now" a few times on my Ondio with database initialised while an MMC was plugged and then removed for the update - that failed...
01:24:40Slasheripixelma: hmm, could you check the logf output?
01:25:45pixelmadon't I need a special build for that?
01:26:18Slasheribut that is the only way to get the actual error message
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01:28:31Jay_GBigBambi - Refurbished Sansa e260 at for $64. I have the refurbished e250 and am very happy with it.
01:28:49BigBambiJay_G: Do they ship to Europe?
01:28:56pixelmanow you tell me... why didn't you say that when I reported it to you back in (must be a long time, don't even remember... at least in last summer or even before)
01:29:15Slasheripixelma: even that the database doesn't handle MMC very well, it shouldn't fail if updating with or without MMC
01:29:35Slasherihehe :)
01:30:25Jay_GBigBambi - They ship free to the U.S. I know that doesn't help you. I'll check for overseas shipping.
01:30:35Slasheribut the logfdump would be useful. it might point to the correct place right away
01:30:50pixelmaSlasheri: maybe I'll try out an logf build and tell you the details - but not now, quite late
01:32:27Slasheripixelma: sounds great :)
01:32:31Jay_GBigBambi - Unfortunately, no.
01:32:53BigBambiJay_G: I could ask a US friend to help out, but then it just adds the price up
01:32:58BigBambiCheers anyway :)
01:33:06Slasherijust remember to define LOGF_ENABLE at the beginning of tagcache.c
01:33:24Slasheriand compile with logf of course :)
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01:43:29pixelmaSlasheri: I could at least report that behaviour has changed since I last tried - if I try that now "disk activity" stops very quickly after chosing "update now" but if I want to browse the entries I get the "Database not ready. Initialise now?" splash. Earlier it just didn't stop disk activity and if I went to the debug menu I could see that there was no progress...
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01:56:08amiconnjhMikeS: ping
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02:27:46tapiocapuddingi got the rockbox utility and installed rockbox (i did a small install) and now i'm trying to get the fonts, but when i try to download i get http error 0
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02:28:13tapiocapuddingi've completely cleared the utility thru my firewall
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02:29:05tapiocapuddingi guess i'll just restart the program then
02:29:10tapiocapuddingsee if that helps
02:30:33tapiocapuddingyeah that worked kthxbye
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02:32:20jhMikeSamiconn: ? (have to get to bed early btw)
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02:56:11darkslategreyi have a problem w/ rockdoom
02:57:28darkslategreywhen i try to load an addon file (this has happened with every addon i've tried) the normal text appears on the screen and an error message appears
02:57:40darkslategreyand it seems to have been cut off but what i can read of it is
02:58:06darkslategreyyou cannot -file with the sh
02:58:27darkslategreyand then it stops, displays more text faster than i can read it, and returns to the plugin menu
02:59:29darkslategreymy theory is that the rest is supposed to say "areware", so the complete message would be you cannot -file with the shareware
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03:06:29darkslategreyokay then
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03:17:17dqhpmphow are you
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03:35:39qwmwhat is that fool up to?
03:35:57*scorche shrugs...shall i call him? :)
03:36:05DarrellIs there ever going to be a version of rockbox for the Ipod classic?
03:36:17krazykitDarrell, if someone does the port, yes
03:36:24*scorche shakes an 8-ball
03:36:33scorcheDarrell: Outcome Unclear :)
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03:45:28dqhpmpare you there
03:46:05krazykitdqhpmp, please read the guidelines. you'll know to just ask if you have a problem :)
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03:46:40dqhpmpthere is a bug in mpegplayer
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03:46:57RayvinI'm here helping a friend read this window...He's having problems seeing it and I'm helping.
03:47:40qwmscorche: you got his phone number? :p
03:47:49scorchei do
03:48:01qwmwhere do you live btw?
03:48:09Darrellis thre going to be a reasease of Rockbox for the Ipod classic?
03:48:20scorchecome into #rockbox-community for this
03:48:21RayvinNow that I can read the window for him. :-P
03:48:35scorcheDarrell: no one is even working on porting it
03:48:45dqhpmpthere is a bug in mpegplayer
03:49:15scorchedqhpmp: yes...we heard you
03:49:16krazykitdqhpmp, well, we can't know what it is if you don't tell us
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03:50:12dqhpmpthe bug is that when the idle power off is set the while the video is playing the player will shut off
03:50:23RayvinOk...Now I've got a question, just for my own curiosity sake. Exactly wat makes a iPOD video different from an iPOD Classic...It's a real Noob question I know but I'm just too curious.
03:50:47scorcheRayvin: lots of things....completely different hardware, encrypted firmware, etc
03:51:25RayvinAh thank you Scorch. That's what I was wondering. I knew the hardware was different...And figured the firmware might be. Thank you for clarifying.
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03:52:26RayvinSee you guys!!
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03:52:28krazykitdqhpmp, are you using the latest official build?
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03:54:16dqhpmpI set it to 5 mins the video is under 5 mins
03:55:12krazykitdqhpmp, i just set my timeout to 2 minutes and started a video that's longer. let's see what happens.
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04:00:19krazykitdqhpmp, my player didn't shut off after 2...
04:00:23krazykit, there it went
04:00:48krazykitwell, that doesn't seem like desirable behavior
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04:01:34dqhpmpI am glad I could tell y'all
04:01:45krazykitfile a bug report, then, i'd suggest
04:02:11dqhpmpI think someone has done that
04:02:18dqhpmplet me get the link
04:03:38dqhpmphere it is:
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04:05:49dqhpmpI hope this helps
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04:09:13RexMundiHi, I just bricked my ipod completely and in the display I see the message that I have to use iTunes to restore, but I'm using Linux and have no iTunes. Is there a way to put rockbox on it without the original firmware?
04:10:15RexMundiI tried running the installer but I get a http error when I want to use the complete install function, and the install bootloader function says my bootloader is up to date...
04:10:55psycho_maniacknow somebody with itunes?
04:11:59RexMundimy parents have a windows pc, so I could go over there, but I wanted to know if I could fix it directly
04:12:25psycho_maniacthis should give you a start:
04:13:04krazykitRexMundi, there is a method on the wiki
04:13:28krazykitIpodManualRestore, i think
04:14:05dqhpmpid you get the link
04:14:33RexMundiI did find a way to restore with dd but you need a backup image of the partition for that
04:14:42krazykitRexMundi, which is also on the wiki.
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04:14:56dqhpmphere it is :
04:15:08krazykitdqhpmp, thanks
04:15:25dqhpmpI did not post that though
04:17:24RexMundiI'll give the link you provided a try, thanks krazykit and dqhpmp
04:18:13dqhpmpI hope you get a chance to look at it
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04:34:07RexMundikrazykit: it worked, so no need for windows afterall :)
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04:34:50krazykitRexMundi, the wiki is just chock-full of nifty information :)
04:36:09RexMundiTell me about it :), but to be honest I was expecting information like this in the FAQ, assuming that there are more people like me...
04:36:31krazykitRexMundi, keep in mind many users do use windows or osx, making the process a wee bit easier
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04:37:55qwmscorche: convince the fool to quit his job.
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04:37:59RexMundikrazykit: I tend to forget that sometimes :). btw this was as easy as it can be..
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04:39:24jasonI got a ?
04:39:32krazykitso ask :)
04:39:47krazykitbut read the guidelines first
04:40:32jasonI am tryin to install the splash file
04:40:48jasonI cant get it to work
04:40:53krazykitwhat splash file?
04:41:53jasonI got both files downloaded
04:42:06krazykitdo you have a build-environment set up?
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04:42:41psycho_maniacare you refering to the actual bootlogo installer
04:42:48krazykityou need one. to change the boot logo, you need to compile your own build
04:43:07jasonI have no idea how to do that lol
04:43:09krazykitpsycho_maniac, are you confusing what he wants with the "boot loader" perhaps?
04:43:38jasonbootsplash.raw and bootsplash.bmp
04:43:44psycho_maniacill find the wiki page im refering to
04:44:09krazykitjason, er, where are you finding these?
04:44:55jasonone of the wiki pages
04:45:00krazykitwhich one?
04:45:05jasonbtw I have the Gigabeat F20
04:45:46krazykitif you're using that program, it's not supported here.
04:47:21jasonthanks guys
04:47:30*psycho_maniac thinks anything not supported thats in the wiki should say so on the page
04:49:27krazykitit does say that.
04:49:46jasonso the program dont support the gigabeat?
04:50:17psycho_maniacno it works on the gigabeat but rockbox devs does nt support it. as in you will not get help in THIS irc channel
04:50:19krazykitjason, the program is not supported in this channel
04:51:33jasonthanks again....btw Rockbox rox!!!!!
04:55:13jasonwhats the gigabeats latest build date?
04:57:23krazykitjason, all the builds are updated at the same time, based on whenever the last revision to the source code was made
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05:11:31BenZavalahello everyone... my name is Ben Zavala... I've been using Rockbox for more than a year now and well.. of course, I love it. I actually have a WPS Theme that I'd like to upload. Was reading that I need someone to give me edit permisions? Anyone?
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05:14:23krazykitBenZavala, sure, just a minute
05:15:55BenZavalathanks krazykit
05:17:35krazykitBenZavala, you have permissions now
05:18:41BenZavalagreat! thank you!
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06:00:06dqhpmphow is rockbox on a gigabeat
06:00:49dqhpmpI have a question a an ipod nano that was rockboxed
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07:21:29ptw419i'm having trouble w/ the open function
07:22:15ptw419in the current rb gigabeat S bootloader the code is like this and works fine :
07:23:39ptw419this is my code
07:24:17ptw419in the load_firmware function in common.c the file is not opening w/ open, and taking a bit of time to return
07:24:27ptw419any ideas?
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07:34:31duvnel1gotta H10 and want to try to implement the slider bar functionality.. has any work been done on this alrea?
07:35:21duvnel1ne1 around even?
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07:47:42duvnel1I'm having trouble (looking at finding just where to check out the svn from?
07:48:39duvnel1oh.. found a getting started link in teh forums
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07:51:27ptw419ugh, i can't figure it out :\
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08:03:20duvnel1btw- I just installed rockbox tonight.. and it really does rock
08:03:36duvnel1I am a developer and want to attempt to get the slider pad to work on the H10
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08:08:13*Llorean doesn't really understand why someone would want to require more hand motion to move in a list.
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08:28:17LycoLocoduvnel1: I'd say check out the wiki, see what's going on
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08:39:35ptw419an explanation of how the initial boot sequence of the gigabeatS works at about page 20
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09:01:28dudeanyone here?
09:05:04dudemy ipod keeps rebooting at the apple logo, can you help?
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09:07:42jhulstdude: You'll need to describe what you've done, are you trying to install?
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10:02:41GodEatermorning linuxstb :)
10:02:54linuxstbGood morning
10:03:51*linuxstb goes to plumb himself into the espresso machine
10:04:00GodEatersounds like a good plan
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10:07:35linuxstb Anyone know the license of ecos? Thinking about that Karma patch sent to RedHat...
10:09:22linuxstbSeems that from May 2002, it was under a modified GPL...
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10:10:29linuxstbSo maybe users have the right to ask for the source... I wonder why no-one did.
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10:18:20GodEatereCos: Currently GPL, at the time Rio submitted PP code to it was RHEPL
10:18:30*linuxstb found it here -
10:18:45linuxstbIt seems even that license required Rio to distribute the source to users, but only for 12 months...
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10:19:30LloreanSo see if an old firmware update is still available anywhere that would count as them distributing?
10:20:09linuxstbWho owns the Rio Karma now?
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10:21:23linuxstbYes, complete with firmware updates...
10:21:54LloreanLast firmware update is from 2004, but they're distributing it as of today?
10:22:04linuxstbThey seem to be.
10:22:27linuxstbSo I guess someone should re-read that ecos license, and then send an email requesting source...
10:22:42LloreanSo that thing's running eCos?
10:22:53GodEateraccording to two people I know yes
10:22:58GodEaterboth of whom worked on the thing
10:23:47LloreanMight be a good idea to scan it for strings, just to see if there can be a little more confirmation that the file you specifically downloaded from them is?
10:23:48linuxstbAlthough maybe it would be easier to ask RedHat first - I would guess they're more likely to be on top of these things.
10:24:00linuxstbIsn't it encrypted?
10:24:22GodEaterI think he said it was "lightly encrypted"
10:24:24GodEaterwhatever that means
10:25:13linuxstbNot light enough for anyone to crack yet though?
10:25:23GodEaterno-one's tried
10:25:32GodEaterat least - not to my knowledge
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10:40:17*linuxstb is annoyed by the viewports binsize increase - 2656 bytes on Ipod Color, 2532 on H300
10:41:34amiconnDid you convert some screens yet?
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10:42:09amiconnI would expect a decrease from converting things like the browser etc, making the status bar and button bar a viewport etc
10:42:48amiconnThe additional features in the wps do increase binsize of course
10:43:31linuxstbThe only changes to apps are the WPS, plus adding the viewport-related functions to the screens and plugin apis.
10:43:46amiconnI still didn't check out your implementation, but I expected only a minimal increases in the lcd drivers....
10:44:19amiconnIn fact each drawing function only needs to shift x and y, and do variable instead of fixed clipping
10:45:25linuxstb700 bytes of that (on the ipod) is the WPS function to parse the %V tag... I think the wps parsing can be improved generally (wrt binsize)
10:45:34linuxstbYes, that's basically all that it does...
10:46:00linuxstblcd-16bit.c is about 950 bytes bigger on ARM, I haven't checked the other drivers individually.
10:47:02amiconnSH1 would be most interesting
10:47:48linuxstbI was wondering if the Player needs to support the %V tag in the WPS.
10:48:02linuxstb(%V sets a viewport for the subsequent lines in the WPS)
10:48:08amiconnHmm, but if the driver is only +950 bytes, what's the rest??
10:48:58linuxstbThe changes in the WPS, as I said, about 700 bytes for the parser, which means about 900 bytes elsewhere.
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10:50:43linuxstbDo Coldfire and SH pass function parameters in registers? If so, how many?
10:51:02amiconnColdfire doesn't
10:51:21amiconnSH does, 4 regs similar to arm (SH uses r4..r7)
10:52:19amiconnBut unlike arm, SH switches to all-stackparms if there are more than 4 parameters (iirc)
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11:08:11GodEaterI'm just uploading the extracted Karma flash upgrade to the wiki in case anyone is interested.
11:08:49linuxstbProbably best not to... We don't normally host firmware files there.
11:09:28linuxstbGodEater: ^
11:09:42*GodEater is pretty sure ukre will complain if there's a problem with it =/
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11:09:53GodEatershall I host it elsewhere instead then
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11:10:45linuxstbIsn't is still available on
11:11:16GodEateryes, but this but only as a windows self extracting exe
11:11:23GodEaterI've extracted that and uploaded the content
11:11:36GodEaterto make life easier for our linux only brethren
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11:15:31linuxstbI think a link to is enough - if a Linux user is struggling to extract, they can always ask someone to help.
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11:17:35amiconnOften those sfx files are some standard packer format with an executable stub tacked on
11:18:21GodEateryes - wasn't zip though in this case
11:19:30GodEaterrunning strings over it produces almost nothing
11:20:34GodEaterso I'd say definitely encrypted somehow
11:20:38linuxstbAh, "cabextract" works...
11:21:08linuxstbBut then just gives another .exe...
11:22:40GodEaterthe bulk of which appears to be the firmware
11:22:46GodEaterwith a bit of usb magic on the front
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11:28:48*GodEater wonders if any bits of ReplayTV are also open source
11:33:03*linuxstb wonders if he should expose the ability the use the system font at the same time as the user font in the WPS...
11:34:24LloreanI'd say just wait for multifont.
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11:36:27linuxstbThe advantage of doing it now is that it would keep the viewport tag the same when multifont support is added, and the system font is useful for numerical output, such as times.
11:39:54GodEateryou mean you'll apply a font to the entire viewport ?
11:42:36linuxstbYes - the lcd drivers support it, it's just currently always set to the UI font when a %V tag is read, rather than adding a parameter to the %V tag.
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12:19:27linuxstbAnother reason to include a font parameter to %V is so that (hopefully..) the existing multi-font patch can use it, meaning themes written to use the multifont patch can just degrade in the official build (until it supports multifont) instead of being rejected.
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12:45:11krausi have the latest rockbox on my ipod video 30gb and Debian lenny (linux) on my computer. The problem is that when i make a file on my ipod that has ä or ö (i'm finnish) in it's filename, rockbox shows it like ä¤.
12:45:22krausso can anyone help?
12:46:51linuxstbpixelma: He said he was going to sleep about an hour ago (in -community)
12:48:02pixelmalinuxstb: ... - thanks for the information though :)
12:51:20pixelmakraus: did you try if changing the "default codepage" settings (in Rockbox) makes any difference?
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12:54:47amiconnkraus: That sounds like your linux machine doesn't mount the vfat file system correctly
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13:40:25*amiconn broke chessbox and rockboy on archos with yesterday's plugin binsize reduction commit
13:40:47amiconnFortunately the fix should be dead simple, trying...
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13:45:23amiconnYay, r16000 :)
13:46:56*linuxstb was aiming for that ;)
13:47:45amiconnNext geek revision to aim for: 16384 ;)
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14:00:16justinsaneis there some music player, which can be connected to LAN (wifi, cable) and able to run bittorrent client and RSS ?
14:00:39justinsanethis new sansa can do this ?
14:01:28justinsanei mean some player which has the hw peripherial, not the BT client
14:02:23justinsaneluuks like sunday lunch in progress here ...
14:02:48desowinI don't know of any portable player which can be connected to LAN
14:03:26justinsaneaha so we must wait :)
14:03:47justinsanei thought some were supported wifi or ?
14:03:56desowinzune supports wifi I think
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14:04:07desowinbut rockbox isn't ported to it
14:04:51justinsanelike this but this is not cheap...
14:05:08Nico_Pdamn I could've got r16000
14:05:24justinsanebut sansa gives some suppport to open source community (rockbox) ?
14:07:12linuxstbNot really.
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14:08:08rvvs89justinsane: PDA?
14:09:02rvvs89Oh, or iPod Touch
14:09:47rvvs89With some work (assuming a bittorrent+rss client does not yet exist for iPod Touch), you could get it to work
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14:10:25justinsanepda is good idea, but i hate microsoft :)
14:10:36justinsanejust a little
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14:11:44justinsanebut got the point, thanks
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14:17:39jhMikeSamiconn: why can't the overlay be clipped to any subset of the area specified in the initial init? (with the notable alignment restrictions of course)
14:18:16amiconnIt could, but the question is whether it's necessary/wanted
14:18:34amiconnIt would bloat the parameters of grey_set_postion from 2 to 6
14:19:08amiconnYes, x, y, width, height, dest_x, dest_y
14:19:18amiconnRight now you can only set the last 2
14:19:50amiconnAnother thing that you could try is using buffered mode (always), draw the OSD using the greylib, and still drawing the video with grey_ub_gray_bitmap_part()
14:20:29jhMikeSthat's what I initially did and had problems
14:20:30amiconnShould work now, as long as the latter is properly clipped to not overdraw the former
14:20:44amiconnThat was with the old graylib, which did many things different
14:22:20amiconnThere are 2 other, unrelated things which I wanted to ask/point out
14:22:49jhMikeSI think a clip rect on screen with four params should be enough to specify clipping the overlay
14:23:23amiconn(1) The PP5002 problem seems to be something fundamental. I'm not completely sure yet, but it seems that whenever the 1st/2nd Gen build is broken, the 3rd Gen build is broken too, and vice versa
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14:24:12amiconn(2) Do you have an idea why doom still freezes/crashes/behaves strangely when voice is enabled? Afaiu it shouldn't do that anymore. But it does...
14:24:36jhMikeSamiconn: so builds for those either all work or all don't?
14:24:47amiconnSeems like it, yes
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14:25:41amiconnWould need scientific verification though, building 1st/2nd and 3rd Gen builds on the same machine, without special patches, and then trying different revisions
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14:25:57jhMikeS(2) I have no idea about doom though
14:28:48jhMikeSIf doom uses the whole audio buffer, then voice being enabled will assume the audio buffer/pcm buffer are still initialized.
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14:46:34gustavonareaHello. I'd like to buy a portable music player and I'd like to know what models works better with rockbox? Thanks in advance.
14:48:08TuplanollaWhat do you mean by 'works better'
14:49:56linuxstbHave you read ?
14:50:13gustavonareaTuplanolla: that rockbox supports it well; that I could install it without dirty workarounds; that most features of rockbox work as expected...
14:50:47gustavonarealinuxstb: oh, I'm sorry, i didn't see that page. Thank you!
14:50:48TuplanollaOk, check the link that linuxstb said
14:50:59gustavonareaok, thank you very much!
14:51:01TuplanollaI recommend Sandisk Sansa e280
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14:51:55linuxstbgustavonarea: Probably best to narrow down to a few units (based on hardware features), and then ask if there are any major issues with any of those. All devices have their quirks.
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14:52:37gustavonareaok, i will
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15:01:41BuscheljhMikeS: about the freq-scaling -> do i understand correctly that, when switching between normal<->max clock, we always switch to source #1 (24MHz) shortly until the PLL settled? and then switch to source #2, which is PLL-driven?
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15:08:37jhMikeSBuschel: Yes, you switch out the PLL as the clock source temporarily until it stabilizes
15:09:18BuscheljhMikeS: is there any reason to only use source #2 for the clock?
15:09:57jhMikeSBuschel: It's arbitrary. amiconn implemented it that way.
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15:10:42jhMikeSyou can pick any source. did you have the MrH's writup re: the clocking?
15:13:16jhMikeSBuschel: I've got it somewhere...have to look around
15:13:35Buschelthiat would be fine :)
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15:32:24amiconnBuschel: We use sources #1 and #2
15:33:00amiconnReconfiguring the source we're running from can freeze easily
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15:33:56Buscheli still wonder whether i can use source #1 (=24MHz) as normal clock and only use source #2 for PLL driven max clock
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16:10:40FunkyELFto update rockbox I just move the new .rockbox folder over right?
16:15:44linuxstbFunkyELF: Yes
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16:31:17shiftHey =]
16:31:27shiftI was just wondering.... what's the best player for rb?
16:31:37shiftis it still the gigabeat?
16:32:04shiftby best I mean supports most of the features and eats the least battery.
16:32:06FunkyELFanyone here us Linux?
16:32:42jhMikeSshift: depends on your priorities - video or audio? recording?
16:33:10shiftjhMikeS, audio with a bit of video support for like 15 second clips maybe.... being able to play movies would be great but... I dont' care.
16:33:39FunkyELFI can't figure out how to unzip all these themes that I downloaded and have them be in the right directory
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16:33:48jhMikeSshift: probably an x5 if sound quality is important. e200 is also good if a small player is wanted.
16:34:21FunkyELFsome of them start at .rockbox and some of them don't have that and just have the wps, fonts, backdrop directories
16:34:35FunkyELFso I unzip all of them but then how do I merge them?
16:34:59soapBuschel, are your last two battery benchmarks in IpodRuntime correct as written? Identical times with and without WPS?
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16:35:19Buschelsoap: yes, i also wondered about it.
16:35:28shiftFunkyELF, I dont know what you mean, I just use xarchiver.
16:35:54shiftso how much would the x5 go for? can't find it on ebay.
16:38:21soapperhaps MPC is more efficient enough that it is the difference between my WPS leading to additional boosting and your WPS not?
16:40:39Buscheljust thought the same, just doing some testing with 24MHz as default −− i'll see :)
16:41:04linuxstbFunkyELF: "unzip -d /mnt/" (replacing /mnt/ with whereever your device is mounted)
16:41:32soapBuschel, I _don't_ have an inline ammeter hooked up - is there anything I can do to help test?
16:41:45Buschelsoap: musepack uses ~24MHz for ~180-190kbps
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16:43:35Buschelsoap: my last i2c test worked but did not show _any_ savings. and the most interesting thin for me right now is the PLL-stuff −− but we need to wait for saratoga to do some measurements as the cpu slaing is not stable enough to perform runtime tests...
16:43:52Buschelsoap: thanks for your support so far
16:45:07Buscheltoo much typos... should take a break now...
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16:47:18YippMNi don't see anywhere in the rockbox manual for the sansa e260 about how to install new themes , am i missing something?
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16:48:14TuplanollaYippMN: download theme, then extract to the device. it's simple
16:49:57YippMNoh so you just extract into the device no particular folder or anything just like with the .rockbox?
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16:50:25linuxstbThe theme _should_ have the correct folder structure in the .zip - all the files go inside .rockbox
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16:52:08YippMNoh , ok, so i extract the theme into the .rockbox folder
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16:53:17linuxstbThe zip file should contain .rockbox in the filenames, so you extract to the root of your device.
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16:58:51kugellinuxstb: I've got a question concerning viewports. You added this font stuff recently, but I don't get it
16:59:21linuxstbWhat don't you get?
16:59:28kugellinuxstb: Does the number stand for the user fonts created with multifont patch?
16:59:59linuxstbNo, I explained what the numbers mean.
17:00:14linuxstb0 -> System font (6x8 built into Rockbox), 1 -> User font.
17:00:29kugeland other values are not rejected
17:00:39kugelwhat does that mean?
17:00:43linuxstbYes, anything else -> User font
17:01:04linuxstbBut the intention is that the multifont patch can now be updated to work with viewports, without changing the %V syntax.
17:02:32kugelwouldn't it be better to integrate the user font part of multifont in vp?
17:02:50linuxstbFeel free...
17:03:11kugelk, thanks for your help
17:03:18linuxstbBut the current multifont patch isn't suitable for svn - it's needs to use a single unified cache, rather than one cache per font (IIUC).
17:05:06kugeldo you mean the glyph files?
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17:05:36linuxstbI mean the glyphs (bitmaps) themselves.
17:08:28kugelI'm not too familar with the multifont patch, I just know it consists of two parts, the different fonts for different screens and the multiple fonts for wps (user font), and I thought the first part won't get committed anyway
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17:12:18linuxstbkugel: The part I care about is the implementation in the core font code. That needs to be better.
17:12:50Triple-zsomehow i got my sansa e280 almost bricked
17:13:01Triple-zrockbox stuck
17:13:19Triple-zand i dont have the OF.bin so i cant boot to the of
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17:13:45Triple-zi try recovery mode few times
17:13:58Triple-zbut i guess im doing something wrong
17:14:04BuscheljhMikeS: the H10_cpu_frq.txt does not fully match to what we do?
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17:15:03duvnel1may I ask development questions here?
17:15:19GodEaterduvnel1: by all means
17:16:50duvnel1ok, this question deals with the button_task() function in firmware/drivers/button.c
17:19:18linuxstbYou mean button_tick() ?
17:19:55duvnel1sry.. yes
17:20:43duvnel1I'm trying to implement support for the scrollpad on the iRiver H10
17:23:03duvnel1since the button_read_device() function is called every tick, I was going to have it send alternating button off, button on states for the BUTTON_SCROLL_DOWN button each time it's called
17:23:23duvnel1this would return states AS IF the user were rapidly pressing the DOWN button
17:23:30duvnel1(and all this for the UP button as well)
17:23:46duvnel1I made the changes but found something strange
17:25:21duvnel1I have to return the button pressed state for at least 2 ticks and then button released (i.e. 0) for at least 3 ticks for the calling code to recognize it as button press then release events
17:25:44duvnel1I cannot just return pressed for 1 tick and then released for 1 tick.. it doesn't do anything if I do that
17:26:27duvnel12 ticks pressed and 2 ticks released is not enough either... it requires at least 3 ticks released.. which seems strange
17:27:23duvnel1this works, but the maximum scroll rate you can do with your finger is little less than half what it should be.. so I wanted to ask if you might know what the deal is with that
17:27:26duvnel1any ideas?
17:27:38duvnel1I can clarify if something I wrote doesn't make sense
17:30:32linuxstbI don't know, but if you wait, hopefully someone who has a clue will read the logs.
17:30:52duvnel1k thx
17:31:08duvnel1I'm going to start inspecting the calling code a bit more
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17:33:35duvnel1any convenient ways of getting some debugging feedback? a console? a unversal beep function? etc?
17:34:00linuxstbNot really... You can try splash()
17:34:10linuxstbOr logf...
17:34:31GodEateror jtag, if there is one, and you have the hardware to use it...
17:35:24duvnel1k, I'll try those
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17:37:20jhMikeSBuschel: not fully. things are actually more general than in that text re: clock source it seems.
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17:41:11duvnel1where does logf() go?
17:44:26duvnel1arg.. goes to the remote's lcd.. I don't have one :(
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17:45:36linuxstbYou use it like printf. You'll need to #include <logf.h> in the source file(s) using it, plus enable it by adding #define ENABLE_LOGF _before_ the #include <logf.h>
17:45:36linuxstb(this lets us leave logfs in the code, which are only enabled temporarily)
17:45:36linuxstbAnd then you can view the logf buffer via the debug menu - that's where they go.
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17:46:05BuscheljhMikeS: e.g. PROC_CTL(CUR_CORE) = 0x4800001f; is used when setting 24HMz. the document sais it shall be used for PLL-clocking...
17:46:13duvnel1linuxstb: perhaps a new item shows up in the debug menu if I enable logf?
17:46:27duvnel1linuxstb: I didn't see anything in the dbg menu that might show that right now
17:46:29BuscheljhMike: also the values which are set the CPU/COP-control registers are different
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17:47:04linuxstbduvnel1: You also need to compile a "logf build" - you choose it via tools/configure
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17:47:39cg|awduvnel1: i'm not sure if this is related, but button.c seems to have some debouncing going on around line 500
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17:47:58duvnel1ah.. checking
17:48:33duvnel1cg: ahah.. I'll try #undefing that
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17:56:04jhMikeSBuschel: yes, but those are just delays that stop the other core for a certain number of clock cycles
17:56:26jhMikeSor the same core
17:57:26Buschelah, ok.
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17:58:32duvnel1cg: YES! that worked.. 1 tick up and 1 tick down works now and it's fast
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18:00:43duvnel1cool.. and now with my original code back in, the scrollpad on the iriver H10 now works
18:00:46duvnel1got some tweaking to do tho
18:02:04duvnel1might be able to have a "tap" press select.. not sure
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18:03:52BuscheljhMikeS: do you have any idea why switching between default and max clock (instead of normal and max) is instable?
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18:07:49shiftI might be about to order the X5... can I get any final suggestions on a player to get, mainly for audio but for a bit of eyecandy like the gameboy emulator for the hell of it on the side?
18:08:23shiftand would it be possible to watch movies from it? would the battery die fast?
18:08:42shiftShould I just browse the rockbox page and stop annoying you with stupid questions?
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18:13:28moosshift: already read this?
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18:13:58shiftmoos, hey thanks... never came accross it actually. Thank you =)
18:14:42shifte200 looks like a winner.
18:14:54moosno problem, choosing a player is really tasty
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18:16:53shiftit is tasty.... actually looking for the exact one might be not as tasty
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18:18:23moosshift: I meant taste depending
18:18:41shiftlol, I know.
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18:20:18shiftif I was to order the e200 directly from would they ship me a v2 one?
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18:24:10moosshift: since the v1 is out of production, I guess "yes"
18:24:44moostry ebay maybe?
18:25:05shiftnot around.
18:25:10krazykitshift, refurbs may be v1, and someone has claimed that walmart does too
18:25:59shiftno walmart in australia =)
18:26:37krazykitoh, then you're going to have a hard time finding one, other than ebay :-/
18:26:57shiftyay =(
18:26:58krazykitunless you can find an australian shop that sells refurbs
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18:27:11shiftwhat do you mean by 'refurb'?
18:27:38kugelsansas that got RMA'd
18:27:45rvvs89shift: Which state are you in?
18:27:59kugeli.e. when buyers didn't like it, they send it back to the distributor
18:28:12kugelif they sell it again it's a refurb
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18:28:43kugelnothing to worry about, refurbs are fully functional
18:29:07shiftnot worried, just didn't know about that.
18:29:53shiftI'd hate to have to do with an ipod again =/
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18:33:49shiftor I can just stick with my old 3gb ipod mini which doesn't even have a screen anymore. =/
18:33:58advcomp2019i think i know one thing the v2s are in boxes like the view.. basically all blue
18:34:25shifthmm... might check a few stores and see which ones they're actually selling.
18:34:29krazykitshift, you can add voice and talk clips to make it functional again ;-)
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18:35:01shiftkrazykit, that's exactly what I did... have been using it for about a year since the screen broke.... just took it out.
18:37:31shiftkrazykit, have been trying to scab a screen off someone who's ipod it competly broken.... no luck =(.
18:38:42webguest62If I stop playback and enter a plugin and then call a function that returns info about the current track would it return info about the stopped track?
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18:50:43shiftis the v2 issue that the hardware is completly unsupported or that nobody got around to porting yet?
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18:52:44webguest62v2 ipods?
18:53:23shiftah sorry... v2 Sansa e200s
18:53:43shifts being... plural.... not model.
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18:55:03mrkikoHi all again!
18:55:18mrkikoA simple question - is mpegplayer supposed to run even on iRiver?
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18:55:28webguest62Pretty sure the hardware isn't supported
18:55:52mrkikowebguest62: can you explain yourself better?
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18:55:57shiftok I just read over the forum thread... seems like there's just nobody working on it yet.
18:56:08kugelcan I hide main menu items depending on a setting?
18:56:09nanokhello. happy new year to you all
18:56:23shiftwasn't that like a week ago?
18:56:42webguest62mrkiko: I just got it from here:
18:56:42nanokshift: the new year?
18:56:47shiftnanok, yes.
18:56:48*nanok should use ntp..
18:57:07nanokshift: it was, but i wasn't here a week ago
18:57:20nanokso better later than never
18:57:39webguest62wait mrkiko, i was answering shift's question. Look here to see If Iriver has any plugin:
18:57:47webguest62I think you should be able to run mpegplayer
18:57:48shiftnanok, ah fair enough.... think in some cultured it's considered rude to wish after a holiday.... guess not in general though.
18:58:19nanokshift: ahm, sorry, i didn't know that
18:58:39shiftnanok, no need to be sorry... what do I care. >.>
18:58:46mrkikowebguest62: strange
18:58:57nanokin my "culture" we say happy new year whenever we get to see the other party after the new year has come. be it summer, doesn't matter :)
18:59:40nanoknm, this is offtopic. carry on
18:59:52mrkikowebguest62: strange the fact that the iRiver H3xx hardware is not supported relating mpegplayer
19:00:00mrkikoI'm using this player to play mp3 with rockbox
19:00:49shiftwill I get shot in the face for an ipod linux related question?
19:01:27mrkikoshift: may be you're better posting it in the rockbox-community channel, if you feel someone of us can help
19:01:46nanokshift: with a double barelled shotgun :)
19:01:52mrkikoor, better again, post it to the #ipodlinux irc channel
19:02:09webguest62mrkiko: that plugin index page says that every iriver model supports mpegplayer
19:02:55mrkikowebguest62: thank you. I was asking this since when I start mpegplayer in my player, the player simply freezes; and I should turn it off kepping "stop" pressed
19:03:46webguest62Maybe it's the file
19:03:47nanokmrkiko: that sounds like a bug..
19:03:58webguest62are you using the most recent version
19:05:17mrkikowebguest62: no, I admin I'm using a firmware snapshot from 23 dec or so
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19:06:23nanokmrkiko: probably you should try other files, the current build, and if still occurs, check if there's a bug report, file one if not
19:07:24moosmrkiko: mpgplayer can now seek, just update
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19:07:30mrkikonanok: thank you
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19:08:14nanokmrkiko: no problem, that's the litle i can do :)
19:09:16nanokbtw, during the holiday i went on a drive for about 18 hours. my sansa went on for about 16, continuosly
19:09:49nanoknot much fidling, just some occasional skipping. mp3's and ogg's of various bitrates
19:10:07nanokquite impressive
19:10:53webguest32nanok - do you know anything about the playback system of rockbox?
19:11:13nanokno crossfeed though (sounds like in a cave, in the car, so i disabled it :) )
19:11:46nanokwebguest32: that's a bit of a vague question, try to be more specific
19:12:03nanokmost probably the answer is no, but there surely is somebody here who knows more than me
19:12:28nanok(read: who actualy designed the damn thing and coded it :) )
19:15:01webguest32yes, well i was just asking because i'm trying to program something to do with getting id3 info
19:15:12webguest32there seem to be about 6 functions that do it
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19:16:21nanokwebguest32: ahm, okay. so your question is about internals, down deep to the gory details :)
19:16:43nanokin that case i can't help, unfortunately
19:17:01webguest32well then i'm off to do some reading!
19:17:13nanokonly one idea: the databse has that info stored usually, if that cuts it for you, maybe that's the "sane" way to go about it
19:17:54nanokthat is, unless you have some reason to get the info from the file directly, instead of querying the db
19:18:10webguest32I think that is what i'm going to do.
19:18:46webguest32I'm trying to determine whether or not if i load a plugin after stopping playback and then attempt to get the info for the currently playing track if it will work
19:20:59nanokwell, if i am not mistaking that info will allways be in the "current" playlist
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19:21:40nanokrockbox allways uses a playlist to handle playback, so if you can access that it should work even if you don't have the db enabled
19:22:27nanokbut this is more guessing on my part than knowing, the real devs will hopefully come out and shoot me in the face if i am talking rubish
19:23:11webguest32that might work
19:23:32nanokyou mean the shotgun aproach? oh, it allways does
19:23:33webguest32The only problem might be that if i stop playback there would be no currently playing track
19:23:50webguest32(in that case i could look for the previous track)
19:24:28nanokwebguest32: i think there is, rockbox is usually aware of where it stopped, so the info is somewhere (don;t ask me where and in what form, though)
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19:25:24nanokyeah, i see your point. you would have to complicate things a bit: "if we're stopped, look at $previous, if we're paused, look at $current" and so on
19:25:51nanokmaybe there's a more direct way, but i don't know nearly enough internals to say if there is..
19:28:13PaulJammaybe a silly question, but doesn't the viewports patch make the %m tags obsolete? why doesn't the patch remove the %m ?
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19:32:19linuxstbIn theory they're obsolete, but there's one feature of %m not duplicated by viewports (yet?) - the ability to use it conditionally to (e.g.) expand text to cover the space for cover art when there is no space for cover art.
19:32:36linuxstb^remove the last "space"
19:32:55webguest32nanok: I could also look at the resume information (wherever that is stored)
19:33:36nanokwebguest32: good point
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19:54:05soapBuschel, (or anyone else)
19:55:14soapI have a cheap RadioShack volt-ohm meter. I could use this to measure the power consumption of a PortalPlayer target - but the question remains - how do I compensate for the varying power consumption when boosted vs. when not boosted?
19:55:45soapThe multimeter has a serial output - would I need to write a program to calculate the average amp draw over time?
19:56:23soapOr would the simpler plan be to simply force the player to boost - and then perform the tests?
19:56:25Buschelsoap: the most needed measurements right now will work without the need for boost/unboost.
19:56:46Buschelsoap: yes, or directly forcing boost
19:56:56soapand a Sansa is adequate for your tests?
19:57:10soapor do you need it done on an iPod, or a specific iPod?
19:57:54FunkyELFis there a way to create an iPod database file in such a way that you can play your files under /Music from within the apple firmware?
19:58:04Buschelsoap: in fact i do not know. hopefully we can transfer the results from sansa to ipods.
19:59:05soap(as I explained before) opening up my 5th gen iPod isn't going to happen anytime soon - but I could open my Nano and remove the battery, or remove the battery from my E200 and do the testing.
19:59:17soap(need to order the "spud bars" to open the Nano)
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20:00:07soapand need to make a USB extension cable with an inline tap on (I assume) the +5v line to put the ampmeter inline.
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20:07:04linuxstbFunkyELF: The Apple firmware (especially newer versions) has quite small filename length limits, so it's not really practical. But there are tools around to build such databases (maybe gtkpod, some plugin(s) for foobar)
20:08:04PaulJamlinuxstb: ok, i didn't think of that (concerning the %m tags)
20:09:53linuxstbshotofadds: I can't remember... Bagder/LinusN/Zagor are our admins (mainly Zagor I think for Flyspray), but they're not around atm...
20:10:42linuxstbsoap: Thanks for the viewports builds - I assume you meant r16000, not r1600 though?
20:13:30FunkyELFlinuxstb, too bad it needs to be FAT32....if it allowed symbolic links then you could have the file with the full name and a symbolic link to it with a shorter name
20:14:06linuxstbOr just don't use the Apple firmware ;)
20:14:45FunkyELFlinuxstb, I like the rockbox firmware better but I like having options. For example to play movies or have the battery last twice as long
20:15:28FunkyELFlinuxstb, but while I'm in my car I like to use rockbox since I'm not going to be watching movies and I can charge it while its plugged in
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20:16:35soaplinuxstb, oops :)
20:18:53Buschelis the decoder (e.g. mp3) running on cop during normal playback?
20:19:28linuxstbNo, nothing is on the COP during normal playback.
20:20:43LloreanDepends on the codec.
20:20:52LloreanRight now I believe only SPC makes use of the cop
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20:23:36soaplinuxstb, fixed (both in the forums and on the builds' naming)
20:24:22soapand I know jack squat about the Archos players.
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20:24:53soapI am assuming doing 2MB builds will be universal? (same as 32MB is universal for iPod Videos)
20:25:28linuxstbYes, the 8MB builds are for people that have soldered more/different RAM into their device...
20:25:40soap(side note - the Archos build compile _fast_!)
20:27:34amiconnYeah, no codecs...
20:27:51amiconnArchos needs less than half the time of a typical swcodec build here
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20:46:47draeathjust wanted to say rockbox is awsome... just threw it on my sansa e200R and it's just about PERFECT (the incomplete parts far outweigh the gains, and blow the Sansa firmware away)
20:47:08draeathespecially thanks for the FLAC support
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21:01:15linuxstbamiconn: I've just checked the viewports bin size increase on a Recorder build - the firmware/ changes add 428 bytes, but the apps/ changes add another 1008 bytes...
21:03:18billeniumis there a list somewhere of what rockbox can do?
21:03:51krazykitbillenium, the WhyRockbox lists some of it. the manual has pretty much everything though ;-)
21:04:10billeniumwhats the WhyRockbox list?
21:04:20krazykitit's on the wiki
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21:06:57draeathsilly question: is it possible to do database update/initialize in the forground rather than the background? I want to watch it's progress... (the debug (keep out!) DB status page seems to always show -1%)
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21:16:57jayharuoogabooga moos
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21:18:08shotofaddslinuxstb: in the meantime a first attempt at a D2 patch is at - it's a simple test program (bootloader build) similar to the DAX code in svn. Let me know of any comments and i'll pick them up from the logs (particularly the way I've implemented I2C, hopefully other targets can re-use it).
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21:30:12linuxstbshotofadds: I've only had a quick read through, but it looks good to me.
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21:33:20shotofaddslinuxstb: thanks, i'll try and harass Zagor to let me put it on the tracker :-)
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21:34:19YippMNi'm trying to add a theme , in a sansa e260 , and ive droppee the theme in the root , but it only shows up in the files folder , can't add it when browsing themes ?
21:34:49linuxstbThe theme should go in .rockbox/
21:35:13krazykitYippMN, you should be to extract the theme to the root of your player just like you would a new build. it should have the proper directory structure
21:36:17YippMNhmm ok well ok which is it , put it on the root , or into the .rockbox folder
21:36:34YippMNby root i'm assuming that means just dropping it to the e260?
21:36:54krazykitsort of
21:37:25krazykiti said to extract the zip
21:37:45krazykitthe SHOULD have a .rockbox folder in it with the theme files where they should be
21:37:48YippMNthe root is just the player where .rockbox and my music folder and such are, so do i accually have to put the theme into the .bockbox folder then
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21:38:20YippMNyes the theme does have a .rockbox in it
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21:38:36krazykityou should be able to copy that .rockbox into the root and everything will be in place
21:38:47YippMNso i dropped it on the device but it just shows up in files , and not when i go to the browse themes area
21:38:58krazykitwhat theme?
21:39:12linuxstbWhat files do you see in Files ?
21:40:08YippMNthe theme is acotil_greens, and i se that file name in files , so i have a folder for that in the root and the .rockbox folder there also for the firmware
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21:40:44YippMNi extracted the theme zip to the e260
21:40:56krazykitYippMN, your unzip program is doing things wrong then, if there is an "acotil_greens" folder.
21:42:02YippMNkrazykit, how so?
21:42:52krazykitit should just put the .rockbox folder right in the root. it doesn't seem to do that.
21:43:23krazykitmove the .rockbox directory that's in the acotil_greens folder into the root of your player
21:44:10YippMNok what exactly is mean't by the root of my player :)
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21:44:51YippMNwhen i ope the e260 on my machine i have the .rockbox folder and music and photo folders and so on i assume thats the root then
21:45:55YippMNok i must have done somthing wrong before ,as now i extracted the theme and all the files are now in .rockbox properly it seems
21:47:18YippMNahh ok nevermind i'm now able to select the theme in browse themes cool :)
21:47:44krazykitfor future reference, "root of the device" means, in windows anyway, what's right on the drive letter, basically.
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21:48:09YippMNkrazykit, well i'm running linux gentoo , but i know what you mean :)
21:48:16krazykitoh, so it's the mount point then
21:48:56YippMNyes there you go i couldn't think whats its called
21:49:13YippMNso i have acotil_greens theme runing now :)
21:49:33YippMN, noe to better figure out resizing bmp's for back drops :)
21:50:35linuxstbYippMN: There's a short Linux shell script on the AlbumArt wiki page to help with that.
21:51:29YippMNlinuxstb, oh there is , is there a link from rockbox to the albumart wiwki then
21:51:57linuxstbAll wiki pages can be accessed via
21:51:58linuxstb(you know what I mean...)
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21:56:48YippMNi can get to the album art wiki , hmm but don't see a link to album art on the wikik page hmm
21:57:30YippMNit says the topic doen't exist yet?
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22:02:49draeathi just "cd" to the mountpoint, and do "unzip /path/to/"
22:02:52draeathworks just fine.
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22:21:08CasainhoBagder: are you there?
22:21:15Casainhohello RB people! :-)
22:21:30CasainhoI have a question about hardware, ARMs...
22:21:51CasainhoI would like to know If RB must work with an ARM9?
22:22:03Bagdermust work?
22:22:19Casainhoor an ARM7 will be ok, will have enought power?
22:22:26BagderRockbox currently runs on ARM7 and ARM9
22:23:04Casainhowell, can you estimate if ARM7 is with 50% busy, top work load of ARM7?
22:23:26linuxstbI would go with something faster - to support CPU-heavy codecs such as the high complexity AAC profiles (and Monkey's)
22:23:29Casainhothinking in future, going to ARM7 is ok?
22:23:58BagderARM7 at what clock rate?
22:24:25Casainhook, I don't know, can you please say values, like ARM7 at 80MHz?
22:24:47CasainhoI saw that ARM9 have much higher clock...
22:25:07Bagderyes, ARM7 is a bit of yday's tech
22:25:15Casainho"i like the ARM7 ones because they are relatively cheap, come in QFP package and consume lower power when compared to ARM9."
22:25:29Casainhospark said that....
22:25:42Casainhoso, we should go for ARM9?
22:26:14BagderI would, but I don't have the same objectives you do
22:26:18linuxstbHave fun, use the i.MX31 ;)
22:27:11CasainhoBagder: yes, I think you mean :-) :-) I said "we" :-)
22:27:32Bagderyes, and I thus made the distinction
22:27:50Bagderit's not a joke
22:28:32BagderI like a player being able to play videos, run weirdo codecs and have room for other fun things
22:28:35Casainhook linuxstb , but everyone is talking just in ARM, I think others just know, have experiencies with ARM...
22:29:02linuxstbThe i.MX31 _is_ ARM.
22:29:23Casainhoat that case Bagder, why not Linux ? :-)
22:29:36Casainholinuxstb: ah, okok :-)
22:29:41Bagderwhat would that offer?
22:29:53BagderRockbox is crafted to do a good player, Linux is not
22:30:05BagderLinux is a generic OS
22:30:31CasainhoBagder: no need to make things, since there is already players for multimedia on Linux...
22:30:47Bagderyou talk nonsense now Casainho
22:30:57Bagderhow would they make a good portable player?
22:31:01Casainhomaybe, I am not experiencied..
22:31:05*linuxstb has yet to find a decent linux audio player, even on the desktop....
22:31:10*BigBambi too
22:31:16BigBambiI want foobar on linux
22:31:36BagderI'm very well aware of Linux, even embedded as I've worked with that for like 7-8 years by now
22:32:23Bagderstill, if you want to build a portable media player, I say Rockbox is by far the better option
22:32:34Casainhowell, for me the important is the fact that on Linux I can see almost every video file and listem almost every audio file - that not happens on original firmwares of DAPS...
22:32:47BagderCasainho: on a portable player?
22:32:53linuxstbAnd it won't happen if you put mplayer on an ARM7...
22:33:12Bagderthose apps you talk about are good on multi-ghz intel cpus
22:33:56linuxstbCasainho: I thought you were going for an audio-only player?
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22:34:02Casainhookok, but I think that small devices are already computers, or will be the future computers...
22:34:04Bagderif they were good, we would've used them in rockbox...
22:34:34ender`i have an e-book reader that runs linux, but all applications for it are specialized
22:34:50Casainhowell, I think that in very low resources hardwares that RB actualy work, Linux is not possible at all!!
22:35:07*linuxstb points Casainho to ipodlinux
22:35:09LloreanEven where Linux would Run, Rockbox can generally do things Faster because it requires less.
22:35:10BagderCasainho: most platforms that run Rockbox can run Linux
22:35:17LloreanThe Gigabeat F ran Linux too didn't it?
22:35:27ender`Casainho: linux runs on routers, which are much much more constrained than most of the players rockbox runs on
22:35:41Casainhoreally? I didn't know :-)
22:36:04Casainhooh well....
22:36:10linuxstbBagder: Do you know much about ecos, especially their old license?
22:36:27CasainhoI have much to lear :-)
22:36:29ender`eg. some models have just 2MB flash and 8MB RAM - i think the Archos players are the only one that are more constrained than this (but even there you have more storage)
22:36:34Bagderlinuxstb: not really, I've poked around with it a long time ago but I can't recall any details about their (old) license...
22:36:52linuxstbIt seems the Rio Karma ran it...
22:36:58Bagderyeah, I noticed
22:36:59LloreanAnd they're still distributing the firmware.
22:37:10Casainhookok, about inicial question: we, people that are choosing MCU for hardware RB player should use ARM9. :-)
22:37:36LloreanARM9 is a pretty good choice, yeah.
22:37:42BagderCasainho: let me put it this way: no manufacturer today picks anything less than ARM9
22:37:58Casainhookok :-)
22:38:05LloreanIf you're picking less than it, you may as well hunt down older players that RB already runs on, on ebay. :)
22:38:08Bagder... but then again, they play videos...
22:38:20*ender` goes to check what his ebook reader is based on
22:38:24CasainhoI do not want videos!!!
22:38:27Bagderender`: Kindle?
22:38:41linuxstbIIUC, the license requires recipients of executables to be given any modifications made to the source -
22:39:42Bagderlinuxstb: I agree it looks like that
22:40:03linuxstbAnd it seems that Rio didn't do this...
22:40:14linuxstb(and the firmware's still on
22:40:17Lloreanlinuxstb: My reading says the same thing. If
22:40:31CasainhoAVR32 says that it 72 MIPS at 60MHZ
22:40:57Casainhois there a way to compare MCUs but that MIPS? like compare an ARM7 and an ARM9?
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22:41:12Casainhoare that MIPs a good way to compare MCUs?
22:41:35BagderMIPS is next to useless for that
22:41:57rasherlinuxstb: 3.2 seems pretty clear
22:42:19ender`hm, XScale-PXA255 rev.6
22:42:53BagderARM family that is
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22:43:22CasainhoBagder: okok :-) - thanks for the information - I will copy and say It to others :-)
22:43:42*Bagder worked with Linux on PXA255 many eons ago...
22:43:43ender`btw, if you're looking for an e-book reader (and don't mind paying somewhat more), i can only recommend the illiad (unless you care about battery time - it's quite a bit less than with other readers)
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22:56:30JohnEKHey linuxstb, I was wondering if there's anymore info on viewports other than in the tracker?
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22:57:16linuxstbJohnEK: There are a couple of wiki pages, but they may be more confusing than helpful (they're not 100% representative of my patch) - (and the ViewPortsDesign page linked from there)
22:58:34JohnEKthanks! I'll give that a read. Do viewports support left to right text scrolling?
22:58:43JohnEKie. the song name is too long to fit, so it scrolls
22:59:15JohnEK(apologies if this is a really bad question...I'm just getting into rockbox)
23:02:59linuxstbYes, they do.
23:03:38linuxstbBasically, anything that you can do full-screen in Rockbox now, you can do within the confines of a viewport (in the LCD drivers, not all the apps/ code is adapted to use them yet).
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23:04:59JohnEKI take that to mean that scrolling is already supported in the most recent standard build...hence being a stupid question
23:05:05JohnEKI didn't know that thanks
23:05:23linuxstbYes, lines can currently scroll.
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23:05:50linuxstbHave you used Rockbox? ;)
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23:06:08JohnEKyeah I just put it on my 30gb video
23:06:24JohnEKI'm having a tough time finding a good theme I'm considering making my own
23:06:34JohnEKand that's how I came across viewports
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23:07:18linuxstbLots of people like Pen & Paper...
23:09:13JohnEKmulti-font isn't in svn yet, is it?
23:10:11linuxstbNo, it needs implementing in a better way first.
23:11:10JohnEKOut of curiousity, how many devs do you figure are somewhat regularly working on rockbox?
23:11:40rasherOver the entire history of the project, 89 contributors have submitted code. 52 have done so in the last year.
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23:11:55JohnEKthanks rasher
23:11:57linuxstbrasher: You sound like a stats-bot ;)
23:12:11*Bagder suspects that's an ohloh quote...
23:12:18linuxstbHow many in the last 3 months?
23:12:32rasherDoesn't say :-\
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23:13:37linuxstbIt never seems that many...
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23:13:52rasherYeah, I'd guess about 30
23:14:07Bagdershould be rather easy to script out with svn log
23:14:30kugelCan I hide main menu items depending on a setting?
23:14:38linuxstbkugel: No.
23:15:52kugelI tried to if-else the MAKE_MENU in root_menu.c, but I get an error
23:16:07linuxstbWelcome to JD's world-of-macros
23:16:10kugelVery sad
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23:18:06kugelBut I still wonder why I get this error
23:18:13draeathhow often does code checked from SVN bomb out of compile with errors?
23:18:23linuxstbVery rarely...
23:18:26draeathtried last night and didn't get anywhere, i cleaned up and just grabbed a snapshot
23:18:46linuxstbCheck the build table for the current status - (red means errors)
23:18:55draeathi don't believe I did something wrong, slackware 64-bit, ran the automagical script that builds binutils and gcc for you, and exported my path before running
23:19:32linuxstbSometimes files are missing from the snapshots - what was the error (and what target)?
23:19:47draeathi can't remember, and its all been cleaned out... was just wondering in general
23:20:06draeathsome kind of error about arguments (i think a code error rather than deps etc)
23:20:20draeathbut don't take that as 100% true, as it was last night :P
23:20:33draeathbuilding for sansa e200
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23:21:44draeathi can try it again...
23:22:02draeathstill have the same snapshot
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23:24:14kugellinuxstb: Can you explan that error for me? "root_menu.c:423: error: expected identifier or '(' before 'if'
23:24:58draeathok just to make sure... I moved to my temp build directory (is parallel with tools/), ran ../tools/configure, and am now running just 'make'
23:26:29draeathOK, compile output is here: (not much, error is fairly early)
23:26:44linuxstbkugel: Can you pastebin the relevant part of the code?
23:27:08rasherdraeath: Select e200 instead.
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23:27:33saratogaanyone had a chance to look at the Cowan D2 patch ?
23:27:39draeathi have an e200r, will it work?
23:27:39saratogai'm wondering if that can go into SVN soon
23:27:51rasherdraeath: yes, the e200r target is only relevant for building the bootloader.
23:27:56draeathi see
23:29:00draeathand i SHOULD never need to build the bootloader again, really
23:29:35kugelline 15 in the pastebin is line 423 in my root_menu.c
23:30:21draeathShould I have known to pick e200?
23:30:43draeath(building fine now, btw - thanks)
23:31:25rasherdraeath: not really, no.
23:31:27linuxstbkugel: You can't put an if() statement outside of a function.
23:31:49draeathThanks, I get worried when I realize i may have missed some important bit of docs ;)
23:32:09Bagderdraeath: I would rather consider it a bug...
23:32:13linuxstbkugel; IIUC, menu items can have a callback function attached which tell the menu code whether they should be displayed or not. See the Radio item for example (on some targets, radio is detected at run-time).
23:32:52rasherBagder: Is adding "echo 'use e200 instead'; exit" to configure at an appropriate place reasonable?
23:33:23Bagderyes, or just silently switch to that internally
23:33:30linuxstbOr just not offer anything apart from a bootloader or installer build if the e200r target is chosen.
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23:33:57draeathi think that is a better idea linuxstb
23:34:01linuxstbHmm, silently switching would hide what's going on though.
23:34:24Bagderwould it really? it's still building rockbox for e200r
23:34:34Bagderit just happens to be the same
23:34:37linuxstbIt's building something identical to the e200 though...
23:34:38draeathit builds a bootloader for e200r though doesn't it?
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23:34:59*linuxstb doesn't really feel strongly either way
23:35:10Bagderwell, I don't have any strongs feelings about it either
23:35:27linuxstbWhoever implements it gets to choose then ;)
23:35:28rasherI'm ready to commit "complain and exit" if that's okay?
23:35:37linuxstbAh, option 3...
23:35:52linuxstbWell, it's as good as anything - go ahead.
23:36:28draeathbetter than "menus/main_menu.c:249: error: 'LANG_DISK_NAME_MMC' undeclared (first use in this function)"
23:37:02rasherYou're not the first
23:37:56linuxstbWe could just remove the e200r target, and make the e200 bootloader build run scramble twice, creating the two different bootloaders...
23:38:11draeathhmm, i like that idea
23:38:16linuxstbs/we/someone/ ;)
23:38:19Bagdernot a bad idea
23:38:25draeathmuch more elegant.
23:38:28rasherOr unify the bootloader..
23:38:42linuxstbIt's a file format issue - two different mi4 versions.;
23:38:46draeathcan that be done? different keey and such right?
23:38:51linuxstbThe actual bootloaders are identical.
23:39:09draeathyea, the e200r has some rhapsody DRM key BS in it
23:39:14Casainhobye bye RB people :-)
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23:39:28linuxstbbye bye crazy hardware person ;)
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23:41:05draeathhmm, silly question here: there is an option to flip the whole display upside-down. How hard would it be to have a 90-degree rotate option?
23:41:28krazykitdraeath, very.
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23:42:24draeathwell, thanks for entertaining my silly questions
23:42:34krazykitactually, it might be easier with viewports now, but it's still complex
23:43:16krazykiti believe the issue stems from how everything is drawn (there are better explanations in the logs)
23:43:42draeathits nothing critical, I was mostly curious as I saw the one option but not the other
23:44:53krazykitthere actually was a patch that did this for the gigabeat, but it was not rotate-at-runtime
23:46:41draeathanyone know the maximum frequency an e200r can output? 44100Hz?
23:46:55draeath(not sure where else to bother about finding that kind of thing)
23:47:31linuxstbI don't know, but Rockbox resamples all music to 44.1KHz anyway.
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23:51:56kugellinuxstb: "recent bookmarks" does only show up in the main menu when I activate bookmarks
23:52:06kugelso there must be a way for me
23:53:00draeathwhere the heck can i find instructions on using the onscreen keyboard? (saving radio presets)
23:54:21rasherdraeath: why, the fine manual of course
23:54:31draeathlooking, and not finding
23:54:35kugeluse left/right and the scroll wheel to browse through the chars
23:54:46rasherThere's a section about the "virtual keyboard" somewhere iirc.
23:54:47kugeland play button to save
23:54:56rasherkugel: which is really an awful combination to use
23:54:57draeathah thats what i needed (play button)
23:55:27draeathfound it "virtual keyboard" was the term i was looking to search for
23:55:37kugelrasher: Not my fault. Btw I have a patch on the tracker to change the keyboard keymap for e200
23:56:14rasherI know it's not. Didn't know that was your patch though, but I really think the current keymapping is suboptimal at least.
23:56:27rasherTo avoid saying awful.
23:56:37kugelyou might have a look on fs#7873 then
23:57:23kugelI'm using my patch ever since, and (of course ;) ) I like it way more than the svn keymaps
23:58:28draeathkugel, you got my attention... can I see a URL?

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