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| 00:01:24 | Nico_P | like when? |
| 00:02:07 | amiconn | Like, when 'mount' and the rest of the OS disagree about the codepage |
| 00:02:20 | amiconn | See yesterday's log for an example |
| 00:02:32 | | Quit soap (Remote closed the connection) |
| 00:02:34 | preglow | yeah, can suck there, i had to force utf sometimes |
| 00:02:40 | preglow | utf-8, at that |
| 00:03:02 | preglow | but that only happens when messing with ntfs and other non-ext file systems |
| 00:03:21 | amiconn | Yes, e.g. vfat |
| 00:03:46 | Nico_P | i.e. windows filesystems |
| 00:03:57 | Nico_P | or are others affected too? |
| 00:04:06 | preglow | probably |
| 00:04:16 | preglow | i don't know which facilities file systems have of indicating char set |
| 00:04:38 | amiconn | Well, it's not really the filesystem which causes this problem |
| 00:04:42 | Bagder | I'm quite sure there are similar problems on all sorts of filesystems |
| 00:04:45 | | Join Cptnodegard [0] (n=none@unaffiliated/cptnodegard) |
| 00:04:51 | amiconn | vfat and ntfs are both *always* ucs-2 internally |
| 00:05:15 | Cptnodegard | the sony DAPs run on linux and the source codes are available. is that useful info for anyone in rockbox? |
| 00:05:32 | amiconn | But if the linux filesystem driver for either fs thinks the os uses a different codepage than it acually does -> boom |
| 00:05:37 | preglow | Cptnodegard: it's useful info for anyone who wants to port rockbox to sony daps |
| 00:05:41 | Bagder | Cptnodegard: is it really the full sources? |
| 00:05:58 | Bagder | Cptnodegard: the companies tend to use binary drivers to avoid releasing anything fun... |
| 00:06:16 | Cptnodegard | i think so, because of GNU |
| 00:06:19 | preglow | amiconn: when would a file system driver think the os uses a different char set than it does? |
| 00:06:27 | Bagder | Cptnodegard: then read up on the subject and rethink |
| 00:06:35 | Cptnodegard | http://www.sony.net/Products/Linux/notice.html - click next, then "network audio system" |
| 00:06:45 | Cptnodegard | lol |
| 00:07:50 | Cptnodegard | i have no idea about such, but didnt hurt to ask ^^ |
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| 00:07:50 | amiconn | E.g. when mounting the fs before init sets the codepage. Had that on a linux box with ntfs-3g mounted via fstab... |
| 00:07:50 | Bagder | Cptnodegard: well, nobody is working with Rockbox for a sony player afaik so this isn't really an urgent matter |
| 00:07:50 | amiconn | Had to force utf-8 in fstab to make it work properly |
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| 00:08:14 | preglow | amiconn: wtf? i wouldn't expect fuse to work at all before init is run |
| 00:08:17 | Cptnodegard | oh well, maybe someone will be encouraged if the source is there :p |
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| 00:08:31 | preglow | or, there really isn't a reason it shouldn't... |
| 00:08:33 | darkslategrey | hi |
| 00:08:35 | darkslategrey | umm |
| 00:08:36 | Cptnodegard | they are nice players, so would be interesting |
| 00:08:40 | darkslategrey | i have a problem w/ rockdoom |
| 00:08:47 | BigBambi | darkslategrey: just ask |
| 00:09:02 | Bagder | Cptnodegard: based on a quick glance on the listings they provide, they contain nothing interesting |
| 00:09:03 | darkslategrey | i cant use addon wads for some reason |
| 00:09:16 | Cptnodegard | oh :/ ah well, worth a shot |
| 00:09:32 | Bagder | yeah... |
| 00:09:33 | darkslategrey | when i try it displays the normal text and then stops, the bottom line is "you cannot -file with the sh" |
| 00:09:40 | darkslategrey | and that's where it stops |
| 00:09:51 | darkslategrey | then it displays more text and returns to the plugin menu |
| 00:10:37 | Bagder | busybox, gcc, uboot, linux kernel, glibc etc all just plain tarballs |
| 00:10:52 | Bagder | no drivers, no extra |
| 00:11:30 | Bagder | I would suspect they violate GPL for busybox in just about all their players |
| 00:11:37 | darkslategrey | umm |
| 00:11:45 | darkslategrey | does anyone know what the problem might be? |
| 00:12:07 | darkslategrey | i tried using freedoom but it doesn't even try to load addons it just goes straight to the defaults |
| 00:12:29 | BigBambi | darkslategrey: Personally no, but if someone does they will answer |
| 00:12:37 | darkslategrey | kthx |
| 00:13:45 | stripwax | good night all |
| 00:13:52 | BigBambi | night |
| 00:14:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Good night. |
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| 00:23:27 | PaulJam | I'm experimenting a bit with viewports and i noticed something: when i put %Cl and %C tags below a line that specifies a viewpot the albumart doesn't show up. is this expected? |
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| 00:26:00 | pixelma | IIRC linuxstb reported something similar, that the first line after the viewport tag didn't show up... (just read about it here) |
| 00:30:48 | linuxstb | That should have been fixed a while ago... But that was with normal lines, rather than special lines like %C |
| 00:32:20 | PaulJam | when i use %xl and %xd instead of %Cl and %C everythng works as expected. i thought albumart should basically behave the same way as normal images. |
| 00:34:33 | PaulJam | by the way, it's nice that you can even use peakmeters within a viewport. |
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| 00:40:54 | linuxstb | Maybe Nico_P can explain... |
| 00:41:09 | linuxstb | PaulJam: But apart from that, everything seems fine? |
| 00:42:37 | PaulJam | i haven't noticed anything else yet. |
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| 00:43:55 | Nico_P | I can't think of any obvious reason why it would do that |
| 00:46:19 | scorche | linuxstb: we would like to time the new themes site with viewports so as to not have a period where people are fixing themes and then suddenly have to do it all over again...can you let me know when you feel a good time for that would be?...the first commit isnt always a good indication, as things can change quickly for a new implementation... |
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| 00:47:38 | shotofadds | Would it be possible for someone to upload my Cowon D2 patch to the tracker on my behalf? I still can't get into flyspray and that pastebin (http://pastebin.ca/842978) expires tomorrow... |
| 00:48:18 | shotofadds | thankyou and goodnight :-) |
| 00:48:18 | PaulJam | Nico_P, linuxstb: it seems as if the albumart shows up inside the viewport (if it is big enough) |
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| 00:48:37 | linuxstb | PaulJam: Ah, call it a feature then ;) |
| 00:48:43 | Nico_P | hehe |
| 00:49:58 | linuxstb | scorche: How close are you to launching the new site? |
| 00:50:09 | linuxstb | Are the bandwidth issues solved? |
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| 00:50:46 | scorche | linuxstb: my server is waiting for it...i just need to poke it a bit and solve any php configuration changes/etc i believe |
| 00:51:06 | preglow | what site? |
| 00:51:16 | scorche | either way, dont feel rushed by anything.. |
| 00:51:21 | linuxstb | But I agree we should wait for viewports before launching the site. |
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| 00:52:20 | scorche | s/viewports/viewports to be in a "stable" and a no-major-changes-that-would-break-compatibility-for-a-while state :) |
| 00:52:35 | PaulJam | linuxstb: another thing i just noticed, the backgroundcolour in the viewport is only applied to lines which actually contain text. |
| 00:52:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm off for now... time for food. |
| 00:52:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Good night, all! |
| 00:53:06 | linuxstb | PaulJam: Is that in a theme without a backdrop? |
| 00:53:35 | PaulJam | yes, no backdrop. |
| 00:54:09 | linuxstb | And which device? |
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| 00:54:20 | PaulJam | h300 (uisimulator |
| 00:54:53 | linuxstb | Thanks, I'll have a look. |
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| 00:55:11 | scorche | preglow: the "new" themes repository ;) |
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| 00:55:25 | preglow | new rockbox-themes.org |
| 00:55:34 | linuxstb | scorche: Have you thought about whether to host themes for unsupported builds? |
| 00:56:01 | scorche | or themes.rockbox.org....either way |
| 00:56:01 | draeath | I'm getting a compile error on latest SVN, anyone wanna take a peek? |
| 00:56:26 | scorche | linuxstb: i plan on waiting a few months to see what the situation is with them and then having another look at it |
| 00:56:27 | amiconn | Eh? |
| 00:56:47 | draeath | blowing up in i_video.c |
| 00:56:48 | draeath | http://pastebin.com/m289bb96 |
| 00:56:52 | linuxstb | scorche: Based on what starting point? |
| 00:57:06 | amiconn | Why the f... does the e200 try to use the X5 asm?? |
| 00:57:42 | scorche | draeath: we do have http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi , so we are looking at it :) |
| 00:57:49 | draeath | oh :? |
| 00:57:52 | draeath | sorry :D |
| 00:58:00 | amiconn | Blargh, e200, sets CONFIG_LCD to LCD_X5 (!!) |
| 00:58:15 | scorche | linuxstb: from the time when the site goes live |
| 00:58:55 | linuxstb | scorche: No, I mean will you be hosting unofficial themes? |
| 00:59:40 | scorche | well, i will be hosting the entire site, so yes |
| 00:59:49 | DerPapst | hehe |
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| 01:03:08 | draeath | amiconn, should CONFIG_LCD be what for the e200? |
| 01:05:18 | draeath | ah, files been updated just now in svn, testing |
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| 01:06:24 | draeath | build OK. thanks :D |
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| 01:06:42 | linuxstb | amiconn: Wouldn't it be nicer to change CONFIG_LCD in config-e200.h? grep is showing that Doom is the only place that actually checks for LCD_X5... |
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| 01:07:58 | draeath | amiconn, im loading it on my e200r now |
| 01:09:50 | draeath | tests out OK. |
| 01:09:56 | draeath | ack |
| 01:09:58 | draeath | no it didn |
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| 01:10:12 | draeath | on exiting the plugin, Endefined instruction at 0012e864 (0) |
| 01:10:21 | draeath | *Undefined (not Endefined) |
| 01:10:27 | obo | saratoga: oops :) |
| 01:13:02 | amiconn | draeath: Check whether you have voice enabled... |
| 01:13:11 | saratoga | obo: just noticed yours too |
| 01:13:26 | PaulJam | linuxstb: another thing, if you use peakmeters inside a viewport, then the height of the peakmeter is always that of the user font even if the viewport uses the system font. |
| 01:13:32 | amiconn | Doom has problems when voice is enabled, even though it shouldn't. Nothing to do with my commit(s) |
| 01:13:56 | saratoga | i'm going to close yorus since i took the time to write up more |
| 01:14:08 | obo | hehe, fair enough :) |
| 01:14:38 | draeath | voice WAS disabled... checking |
| 01:14:56 | draeath | still is |
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| 01:15:36 | * | linuxstb wonders what obo and saratoga are talking about... |
| 01:15:42 | saratoga | also if anyone talks to shotofadds, ask him why he had trouble with filespray |
| 01:15:56 | saratoga | we both uploaded shotofadds patch at the same instant |
| 01:16:06 | saratoga | so there where two entries |
| 01:16:28 | draeath | amiconn, hmm - didn't die this time but i changed nothing... |
| 01:16:37 | linuxstb | Why upload it? |
| 01:16:37 | draeath | amiconn, most likely completely unrelated to doom |
| 01:16:57 | saratoga | linuxstb: because its got drivers for the D2, and I don't want those getting lost |
| 01:17:16 | saratoga | i can just close it once i find out why he couldn't do it himself |
| 01:18:06 | Thundercloud_ | D2? |
| 01:18:34 | draeath | amiconn, actually... since exit this whole thing is extremely slow untill I reboot it... |
| 01:19:12 | draeath | and doesn't shut down, have to do hard-shutdown |
| 01:20:19 | Thundercloud_ | Wow I hadn't realised the D2 port had progressed as much as it had |
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| 01:28:04 | draeath | amiconn, anything i can do? |
| 01:28:09 | draeath | (to help) |
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| 01:55:55 | draeath | well, i'm off. I've reverted to 16006 for now though (i'm scared what doom might do if the ASM is making it run slow and refuse to shut down properly) |
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| 02:06:36 | preglow | slowly unwind |
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| 02:11:46 | PaulJam | linuxstb: still there? i think i have found another issue with viewports. |
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| 02:17:23 | eclecticist | is there anyway to redress the lagging while playing .flac files? |
| 02:19:41 | kugel | why do I get "no rule to make target test_viewports.rock"? |
| 02:21:16 | krazykit | eclecticist, what target? |
| 02:22:42 | eclecticist | target? |
| 02:23:08 | webguest69 | player |
| 02:23:15 | eclecticist | 5g ipod |
| 02:23:29 | eclecticist | i spose its the playback buffer |
| 02:23:38 | eclecticist | i dont have enough stored in ram |
| 02:24:21 | DerPapst | PaulJam: i'm sure he'll read the logs ;-) |
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| 02:24:57 | PaulJam | DerPapst: i guess it's better when i add it to the FS task later. |
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| 02:25:12 | DerPapst | ok :-) |
| 02:25:31 | * | DerPapst waves |
| 02:25:40 | DerPapst | good night all |
| 02:25:44 | eclecticist | i think i recognize you from ipodlinux |
| 02:25:53 | DerPapst | yes, you do |
| 02:26:07 | eclecticist | you helped hendrixman or something with loading different bin files |
| 02:26:13 | eclecticist | in some topic |
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| 02:26:32 | DerPapst | possible... i post to much :-P |
| 02:26:33 | webguest84 | sup yall |
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| 02:27:34 | eclecticist | my ipod disk died, got my friends old one, but they changed ipodlinux so much that i can't get it back to how my old one was |
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| 02:28:36 | DerPapst | nah... the installation instructions are the same since linux got ported to the first ipod |
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| 02:28:43 | DerPapst | whatever :-P |
| 02:28:53 | DerPapst | meh... 2:30am.. i'll get big problems geting out of bed tomorr... err.. today :-/ |
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| 02:29:04 | DerPapst | night all take 2 :-) |
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| 03:09:11 | saratoga | can anyone tell me about the read_filebuf function in the codec api? |
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| 03:26:09 | psycho_maniac | to reply to a message on the website do i just click on the reply address online? |
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| 03:31:50 | psycho_maniac | i want to be in on the ide to zif connector buy |
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| 03:59:30 | * | psycho_maniac thinks the new cabbie 2.0 theme is getting out of hand |
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| 04:00:08 | soap | why is that psycho_maniac? |
| 04:00:09 | PPPP | is there a reverse bootloader for sansa e200? |
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| 04:00:16 | PPPP | i tried looking for it but i couldn't find it.. |
| 04:00:35 | soap | PPPP - look in unsupported builds, but Rockbox is never going to have an official way to boot anything but Rockbox first. |
| 04:01:11 | psycho_maniac | It seems as the theme is never complete. They want to keep adding stuf like viewports (when thats in) I think the theme is good the way it is now, but i could be wrong. |
| 04:01:17 | PPPP | soap: where would i look for that? |
| 04:01:49 | soap | I think they are doing an excellent job of design-by-committee. |
| 04:02:21 | psycho_maniac | I really would rather see Cabbie the default, but I guess thats not a very popular theme. |
| 04:02:23 | soap | They started the job without a fully fleshed-out plan - and I think now they are finally comming to grips with all the elements people expect to see. |
| 04:02:46 | soap | I love cabbie - you can see my personal vision of it is quite true to the original, IMHO. |
| 04:03:52 | psycho_maniac | Yeah. I use that on my ipod, e200, and gigabeat. I like how plain it is. I dont know what it is about that theme but i Love it. |
| 04:05:26 | PPPP | ahh okay i found it:http://e200.digerati1338.googlepages.com/reversebl |
| 04:05:34 | saratoga | soap: I don't think its out of hand, but I'd really like to commit something soon |
| 04:05:43 | saratoga | we can always update it once its commited |
| 04:06:08 | saratoga | at least it'd be nice to get it into builds so that more people look at it and try it on more players |
| 04:06:42 | soap | sorry for suggesting the combined bar ;) |
| 04:06:43 | psycho_maniac | Yeah the first thing people say when the get rockbox on there players is "it looks ugly" |
| 04:07:10 | psycho_maniac | I like the combined bar on the sansa and other small screen players, but i think its fine on the larger screens. |
| 04:07:11 | saratoga | did anyone ever create a combined zip? |
| 04:07:43 | psycho_maniac | I think there still on the changing the file names. |
| 04:08:04 | saratoga | that should really happen before anyone works on refining it |
| 04:08:29 | saratoga | i'll go ask in the thread which ones need to be renamed |
| 04:09:19 | psycho_maniac | good idea. |
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| 04:28:08 | |NSA| | i know i am not supposed to ask, but is there a flyspray # for the usb stuff? |
| 04:29:50 | psycho_maniac | USB stack? |
| 04:30:58 | |NSA| | the thing so you dont have to boot into the original firmware |
| 04:31:01 | |NSA| | probably |
| 04:33:16 | psycho_maniac | did you try searching flyspray? I dont think there is a number though. |
| 04:34:10 | |NSA| | most of the stuff relates to the charging, i cant find anything about the msd stuff. flyspray search is tnot google quality. its like wikipedia quality |
| 04:35:41 | psycho_maniac | i would wait for some devs to come on then ask. |
| 04:37:57 | |NSA| | they would probably just kick and ban me since its one of those big features that everyone asks about but requires a lot of effort to make, similar to the mpeg seeking, which much to my surprse was recently added. but its really nice and was one of the two things bugging me, now i am down to one :) |
| 04:40:00 | safetydan | |NSA|: the dev working on it seems to be busy with other things lately. It'll happen when it's done. |
| 04:42:44 | scorche | |NSA|: why would you be kicked and banned for asking one question that many ask? |
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| 05:03:34 | |NSA| | scorche: i thought i read in either the forums or faq that we arent allowed to ask about usb stuff beause the devs were sick of answering "when its ready", similar to above |
| 05:04:00 | scorche | yes, but that warrants a scolding...not near a kick/ban |
| 05:04:48 | Llorean | Also, we ask that you not ask the status, or when it's due. |
| 05:05:09 | Llorean | If you can't find it in the tracker after searching, then it's probably okay to say "I've searched for USB stack in the tracker and checked the whole list and none are it, any hints?" |
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| 05:06:41 | |NSA| | ok I've searched (using the wikipedia relevency level of results for "usb stack" in flyspray) for USB stack in the tracker and checked the whole list and none are it, any hints? |
| 05:07:02 | safetydan | Wasn't whatever was in the tracker committed already? |
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| 05:07:35 | Llorean | safetydan: I think so. |
| 05:07:58 | Llorean | I was just saying that asking that sort of question is different than "when will it be done, and how far along is it?" |
| 05:07:58 | crzyboyster | Wow, I just logged in when a huge conversation about Cabbie 2.0 was over... |
| 05:09:13 | |NSA| | Llorean: thats what i did ask, i asked for a bug number so i could just keep track of progres there from the comments |
| 05:09:36 | Llorean | |NSA|: I know, I was merely clarifying on why it was not a "I'll likely get banned" type of situation |
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| 05:10:33 | saratoga | |NSA|: if you want to know more about the USB stack, search for Zagor's posts about it last october or november |
| 05:11:06 | |NSA| | last as in 2007 or 2006? |
| 05:11:11 | saratoga | 2007 |
| 05:11:26 | saratoga | however, he never got far enough to work on MSD |
| 05:13:07 | |NSA| | mailing list or forums? |
| 05:14:09 | saratoga | IRC |
| 05:14:24 | saratoga | just use the search feature on the front page, type in zagor and USB |
| 05:14:40 | scorche | that will be a lot of results... |
| 05:15:14 | saratoga | sure, but you can quickly narrow them down since the date is in the title of each result |
| 05:15:48 | psycho_maniac | then use the "-" feature. i love that feature in any search engine |
| 05:16:36 | safetydan | |NSA|: the reason there's nothing on the tracker is that there's no USB stack patch on the tracker anymore. The work that had been done has been comitted. |
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| 06:42:25 | major_works | Is Amiconn here? |
| 06:45:04 | major_works | Amiconn, if you read the logs, please look for an e-mail from me about mpegplayer.c. Thanks. |
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| 07:32:37 | woodensoul | quick questiong guys... when using the line out on the gigabeat dock, does replaygain still affect the level? |
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| 07:34:58 | toffe82 | woodensoul: I think it works on the line out too. but somebody knowing the code should answer. Do you have a problem ? |
| 07:35:22 | woodensoul | no, just testing now to see |
| 07:35:34 | woodensoul | i know that the EQ affects the sound through the line out |
| 07:35:39 | woodensoul | so i assume RPG does too |
| 07:35:44 | woodensoul | the volume doesn't though |
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| 07:52:26 | strfryed | I have a divide by zero error message on my e260 screen atm, is there a key combo I can use to reboot it "Long Power" doesn't seem to be working |
| 07:52:49 | krazykit | strfryed, you need to hold it for 15 or more seconds |
| 07:53:09 | strfryed | sweet, |
| 07:53:18 | strfryed | it worked, sorry ;) |
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| 08:14:49 | Jay_G | It's really quiet right now, so I'll venture a question regarding unofficial tags. Is it possible to use sublines with %e? I tried everything I could think of but could not get it to work. Also, after much searching I've been unable to find an explanation of how to use the %s%m tags on the same line as %e - although it is recommended. Any help or links to the appropriate web page(s) would be appreciated. |
| 08:16:12 | JdGordon | 1) how can you say its quiet when youve only been in the chan for 10min? |
| 08:16:22 | JdGordon | 2) unoficial builds dont get discussed |
| 08:16:30 | JdGordon | 3) i like making lists! |
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| 08:17:19 | linuxstb_ | Jay_G: Forget %e, go with viewports - FS #8385 |
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| 08:18:01 | Jay_G | JDGordon - quiet because there's been no discussion for ten minutes. That is, except for you telling me we can't discuss the issue. Thanks. |
| 08:18:23 | JdGordon | linuxstb: hey, are scrolling lines linked to the viewport at all? can I keep adding a scrolling line (not replacing the old one) if I move the viewport? |
| 08:19:09 | linuxstb | Why would you move an active viewport? But yes, a scroll entry contains both a viewport pointer and a y position. |
| 08:19:34 | JdGordon | to make the list lines use the icon height if its larger than the font height for the rows |
| 08:20:06 | linuxstb | How would you do that? One viewport per line? |
| 08:20:30 | JdGordon | yeah, but I was thinking reusing the viewport to safe ram |
| 08:20:48 | JdGordon | no big deal if it cant be done, was just a thought |
| 08:21:09 | Jay_G | Thanks linuxstb. |
| 08:21:33 | linuxstb | Wouldn't a separate "line height" setting for the viewport be better? I liked Nico_P's patch for that, but it never got committed. |
| 08:22:03 | JdGordon | isnt the scrolling lines set at the text height though? |
| 08:22:18 | JdGordon | .. I mean, scrolling isnt pixel set, its line set? |
| 08:22:31 | linuxstb | That's what I mean - change them to be via a separate "line height" rather than using the font height. |
| 08:23:12 | JdGordon | yeah, that sounds good |
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| 08:27:02 | linuxstb | BTW, regarding your FS comment about avoiding passing a display and viewport pointer around, isn't there already a struct storing info about the list that you could add the viewport structs to? |
| 08:27:33 | JdGordon | yeah, but I'm looking for something generic.. not just for lists |
| 08:31:11 | * | linuxstb reads the logs and wonders what other bug PaulJam found |
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| 08:38:51 | Viaken | Question...the SanDisk Sansa e200 page says that USB connectivity doesn't work. Does this mean if I put Rockbox on it, I would lose the ability to change what music is on it (without a microSD card)? |
| 08:39:35 | scorche | Viaken: you just boot into the original firmware |
| 08:40:59 | Viaken | ah, forgot it did dual boot. |
| 08:41:09 | Viaken | Sorry and thanks :) |
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| 08:55:30 | robotgeek | hi there, please add http://pastebin.ca/844929 to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FmPresetsAmerica |
| 08:55:48 | scorche | robotgeek: it is a wiki... |
| 08:55:51 | robotgeek | or give me write privileges :) |
| 08:55:59 | scorche | name? |
| 08:56:05 | robotgeek | scorche: Venkat Raghavan |
| 08:57:35 | scorche | done |
| 08:57:43 | robotgeek | scorche: thanks |
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| 09:09:10 | robotgeek | I can't seem to get the formatting on the page just right |
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| 09:12:02 | LinusN | robotgeek: add a space between the asterisks |
| 09:12:30 | LinusN | * *Alabama* |
| 09:12:43 | robotgeek | LinusN: ty, done |
| 09:13:11 | robotgeek | i was just trying to copy the one below it, i just dont want to learn another wiki syntax :) |
| 09:14:16 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:14:57 | robotgeek | well, thanks for the tips. good job with rockbox, me like :) |
| 09:15:08 | robotgeek | i've got to go off to bed, so later! |
| 09:16:50 | LinusN | sleep tight |
| 09:17:00 | * | linuxstb adds a comment to the multifont patch (FS #4733) and hopes other devs will contribute to the discussion |
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| 09:22:23 | linuxstb | Zagor: I don't know if shotofadds (I think his real name is Rob Purchase going by the (C) lines in his D2 patch) contacted you, but he reported here that he registered for flyspray, clicked the confirmation link, but can't login. |
| 09:22:52 | Zagor | linuxstb: yes I got his mail. I will look into it soon. |
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| 09:34:41 | r4v5 | hmm. I managed to trigger a panic in my e250 by unplugging it from usb while holding down the power button with the most recent build but can't reproduce it. |
| 09:36:09 | r4v5 | Time to play with it more, I suppose. |
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| 09:41:43 | Casainho | hello RB people! :-) |
| 09:41:56 | Casainho | How do I do a new page in TWiki? |
| 09:42:16 | | Part pixelma |
| 09:43:56 | GodEater | Casainho: type in the new name in the "Go" box at the top of an existing page |
| 09:44:05 | GodEater | Casainho: the wiki will tell you it doesn't exist, and ask if you wish to create it |
| 09:44:36 | Casainho | −−-+ Access Denied |
| 09:44:37 | Casainho | Access check on TWiki.ManagingWebs failed. Action "MANAGE": access not allowed on web. |
| 09:44:50 | Casainho | ok- I tried and I got that error... |
| 09:44:56 | GodEater | What page do you wish to create ? |
| 09:44:59 | Casainho | what I am missing? |
| 09:45:01 | Casainho | −−-+ Access Denied |
| 09:45:03 | Casainho | Access check on TWiki.ManagingWebs failed. Action "MANAGE": access not allowed on web. |
| 09:45:10 | GodEater | don't keep pasting that |
| 09:45:10 | Casainho | sorry |
| 09:45:12 | Casainho | RockboxPlayer-V1 |
| 09:45:24 | GodEater | That's a bad wiki page name |
| 09:45:32 | GodEater | how about RockboxPlayerV1 |
| 09:45:44 | Casainho | okok, I will try with that name :-) |
| 09:46:06 | Casainho | I still got the same error - no permission :-( |
| 09:46:40 | GodEater | well I just did it for you then |
| 09:46:48 | Casainho | thanks :-) |
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| 10:04:35 | freqmod_nx | q |
| 10:07:59 | pondlife | Nico_P: FS #8206 looks ok here, will you commit soon? |
| 10:10:46 | Nico_P | pondlife: yes, but yesterday I noticed it prevented skipping to the next album |
| 10:10:53 | Nico_P | s/album/dir |
| 10:11:02 | Nico_P | I fixed that and need to do a little more testing |
| 10:11:27 | Nico_P | I'll upload the updated patch |
| 10:11:36 | woodensoul | has anyone been experiencing intermittent lagging in playback? |
| 10:11:55 | pondlife | I get gaps in playback while it's buffering |
| 10:11:57 | woodensoul | audio will stop for a few seconds then continue |
| 10:12:00 | pondlife | Yep |
| 10:12:01 | GodEater | yeah me too |
| 10:12:15 | pondlife | Buffering needs to sleep a little more |
| 10:12:16 | Nico_P | tweaking the chunksize could be good, has anyone tried it? |
| 10:12:17 | woodensoul | when was this bug introduced? |
| 10:12:53 | GodEater | I think that was discussed on Friday |
| 10:12:57 | GodEater | have a hunt through the logs |
| 10:13:04 | woodensoul | is there a bug report? |
| 10:13:07 | GodEater | I don't recall the exact revision |
| 10:13:13 | GodEater | yeah, there's one of those too :) |
| 10:13:19 | pondlife | Probably since MoB. |
| 10:13:21 | GodEater | although I think it's iPod specific |
| 10:13:41 | GodEater | pondlife: for me it was MoB, it was a change that amiconn did to the ATA drivers on the iPod which made it start |
| 10:13:51 | GodEater | *wasn't* MoB rather |
| 10:13:53 | woodensoul | I have a Gigabeat, and it does it too |
| 10:14:03 | GodEater | I've not had it happen to me on the gigabeat at all |
| 10:14:16 | pondlife | GodEater: On H300 I think it was MoB (or very shortly after). |
| 10:14:21 | Nico_P | I have to go to class, Ill check the logs when I come back |
| 10:14:25 | pondlife | OK |
| 10:14:26 | GodEater | ok - later |
| 10:14:33 | Nico_P | later |
| 10:14:37 | woodensoul | well i've been playing 6 or 7 albums for the last several hours and it hasn't happened |
| 10:14:55 | pondlife | It's only occasional. |
| 10:15:14 | woodensoul | with a build from Jan 2nd |
| 10:16:11 | GodEater | so when did it last do it then ? |
| 10:17:00 | pondlife | Seems buffering is too aggressive (hence starving audio playback) in some cases, yet 64MB iPod owners are reporting that buffering takes ages to complete.. |
| 10:17:23 | GodEater | define "ages" ? |
| 10:18:33 | pondlife | The reports are vague - from "disk keeps spinning" to "20 mins" |
| 10:18:40 | pondlife | I don't have an iPod though |
| 10:18:43 | GodEater | well I've certainly not seen that |
| 10:18:56 | woodensoul | Well I have 3 Gigabeats so I'm not sure what build is on the one that did it last. |
| 10:18:58 | GodEater | buffering takes at most 20 seconds in my case |
| 10:19:07 | pondlife | With 64MB? |
| 10:19:09 | GodEater | woodensoul: well you need to find out |
| 10:19:12 | GodEater | pondlife: yes |
| 10:19:20 | pondlife | OK, sounds about right |
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| 10:19:44 | TroyMcClure12 | any quick guides on doing a custom build? |
| 10:19:49 | pondlife | So it would be fine if buffering was a little less aggressive...maybe add a second onto HD powered time, but no audio skipping.. |
| 10:19:54 | pondlife | ? |
| 10:20:25 | GodEater | Slasheri has a theory it's something to do with chunksize (whatever that is) |
| 10:20:44 | GodEater | which I think is the minimum amount of data which is required before a codec can beginning playing it |
| 10:20:51 | GodEater | apparently there is no minimum value anymore |
| 10:20:57 | GodEater | while once upon a time there used to be |
| 10:21:17 | GodEater | amiconn thought it was to do with the low watermark in the buffering |
| 10:21:21 | GodEater | but I fiddled around with that |
| 10:21:24 | GodEater | and it made no difference |
| 10:22:02 | * | GodEater hopes that all makes sense |
| 10:23:06 | XavierGr | LinusN: ping, any news about the H100 flashed bootloader? |
| 10:23:21 | LinusN | no |
| 10:23:57 | GodEater | we're waiting on another one ? |
| 10:24:46 | XavierGr | GodEater: there is a patch that enables the flashing procedure on H100 too (not H120/140s) |
| 10:24:54 | GodEater | ah ok |
| 10:25:03 | XavierGr | because it is risky it would be good if LinusN could test it |
| 10:25:10 | * | pondlife is still waiting for an official release of the H300 bootloader... |
| 10:25:19 | TroyMcClure12 | anyone here use any of the dictionary or wikipedia plugins? |
| 10:25:43 | * | LinusN is still waiting for time to do all this stuff |
| 10:26:11 | * | GodEater writes a note to the time fairy asking her to deliver extra to LinusN |
| 10:26:22 | LinusN | how kind of you |
| 10:26:53 | GodEater | she's notorious for ignoring such notes sadly =/ |
| 10:27:48 | GodEater | on the topic of things to do |
| 10:28:13 | GodEater | I think someone "official" needs to write the note to redhat / sourceware asking for the diffs that rio submitted to eCos |
| 10:28:28 | GodEater | assuming we're still interested in their content |
| 10:30:18 | * | GodEater taps his mike. "This thing on?" |
| 10:31:56 | woodensoul | i heard |
| 10:32:00 | woodensoul | but i wasn't listening |
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| 10:33:29 | woodensoul | what are you talking about GodEater? |
| 10:33:36 | woodensoul | eCos? |
| 10:34:03 | LinusN | GodEater: yes, we should probably try that |
| 10:40:31 | * | GodEater volunteers LinusN, Bagder, or amiconn to write such an email :) |
| 10:50:17 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 11:06:09 | TroyMcClure12 | anyone know of a prebuilt with a mww patch? it has a wikipedia plugin |
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| 11:09:10 | Schlupp | hello! |
| 11:09:51 | GodEater | TroyMcClure12: we don't provide support for custom builds here because we have no interest in them. You're best of scanning the "unsupported builds" section of the forums. |
| 11:10:08 | TroyMcClure12 | danke |
| 11:10:10 | TroyMcClure12 | oops thanks |
| 11:11:39 | Schlupp | i'm a newbie and can't get rockbox compiling - can anyone help me? |
| 11:11:58 | LinusN | what is the problem? |
| 11:12:02 | Schlupp | get many error-massages in filetypes.c |
| 11:12:05 | GodEater | Schlupp: is there some reason you wish to compile it yourself? |
| 11:12:25 | Schlupp | want to have the rockcalendar plugin |
| 11:14:06 | GodEater | Schlupp: which FS number is that patch ? |
| 11:14:21 | Schlupp | have installed everything like described in the wiki, downloaded the source, but it says "filetypes.c:89: error: 'voice_ext_rwps' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 11:14:36 | Schlupp | 4760 |
| 11:15:28 | LinusN | Schlupp: that's odd, as far as i can see, that patch doesn't change filetypes.c |
| 11:15:52 | Schlupp | i also tryed it without the patch |
| 11:16:36 | Schlupp | is it possible to save the log of cygwin? |
| 11:16:37 | LinusN | are you using subversion, or did you download a tar file? |
| 11:16:59 | Schlupp | i'm using subversion |
| 11:17:05 | LinusN | which target? |
| 11:17:45 | Schlupp | h320 |
| 11:18:36 | LinusN | so it's just a clean svn checkout and a normal h320 build? |
| 11:18:50 | * | GodEater is currently attempting to build it for the ipod video |
| 11:19:17 | Schlupp | yes. |
| 11:19:39 | LinusN | is the filetypes error the first error, or are there other warnings? |
| 11:19:46 | GodEater | fails here too |
| 11:19:50 | GodEater | but not in filetypes |
| 11:20:04 | GodEater | I get a "No rule to make target `rockcalendar_note.220x176x16.bmp'," |
| 11:20:21 | LinusN | GodEater: he can't even build a regular rockbox |
| 11:20:27 | Schlupp | LinusN: the first error |
| 11:20:43 | LinusN | Schlupp: do you have perl installed? |
| 11:20:46 | GodEater | LinusN: ah ok |
| 11:21:06 | Schlupp | LinusN: yes, was set to install |
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| 11:21:28 | Schlupp | with downloading the .tar file everything is the same... |
| 11:22:10 | Schlupp | my installation is incomplete or i'm doing something wrong |
| 11:22:41 | LinusN | Schlupp: do you have the native gcc installed correctly? |
| 11:23:48 | Schlupp | LinusN: how do i do that? |
| 11:25:20 | Schlupp | i have gcc, gcc-core, gcc-g++,gcc-mingw-core,gcc-mingw-g++ and gcc-testsuite installed |
| 11:25:26 | amiconn | pondlife: "official release of the H300 bootloader" ? |
| 11:25:57 | pondlife | The SVN bootloader has several improvements over the last wikied one |
| 11:26:29 | pondlife | We've discussed it before - mainly USB bootloader mode now works on some devices. |
| 11:26:41 | pondlife | i.e. some where it did not before |
| 11:27:07 | pondlife | Also power on from the remote is fixed |
| 11:28:05 | pondlife | LinusN wanted to do some more tests (and charging stuff, perhaps). |
| 11:28:11 | LinusN | Schlupp: have you set up cygwin to use CR/LF or LF line termination? |
| 11:28:33 | LinusN | and did you use cygwin svn or tortoise to check out the sources? |
| 11:28:37 | Schlupp | LinusN: dos/text |
| 11:29:02 | Schlupp | LinusN: svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
| 11:29:26 | LinusN | i think you need to use LF (unix) line terminations to stay out of trouble |
| 11:29:36 | Schlupp | i try it |
| 11:31:15 | LinusN | in fact, i've found other people with the same problem in the IRC logs, and it turned out to be line termination problems |
| 11:32:18 | Schlupp | LinusN: it really works!!! thank you! |
| 11:32:27 | LinusN | goodie |
| 11:33:04 | Schlupp | don't know why dos was active... |
| 11:33:15 | LinusN | fyi, it is the parsing of apps/features that breaks with cr/lf termination |
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| 11:51:30 | TroyMcClure12 | is compiling on windows even possible? |
| 11:51:30 | TroyMcClure12 | oh NM dumb question |
| 11:53:11 | amiconn | pondlife: Ah, that. Well, I won't try an SVN bootloader without previous testing by a bdm-equipped developer, but the last 'improved' one that LinusN provided for testing made things worse on my H340... |
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| 12:00:29 | pondlife | Worse? |
| 12:00:58 | amiconn | yes |
| 12:01:02 | pondlife | In what way? |
| 12:01:25 | amiconn | Bootloader USB works for me with the official bootloader, and booting rockbox works flawlessly |
| 12:02:02 | amiconn | The latest one for testing introduced the nasty hdd click (emergency park) during *every* normal boot... |
| 12:02:13 | pondlife | Urgh. |
| 12:02:31 | pondlife | I've not had that, but the official bootloader won't do USB connection, whereas the SVN one works fine |
| 12:02:53 | pondlife | LinusN: Have you had the HD click? |
| 12:03:28 | LinusN | as in the hard drive clicking when inserting the usb cable? |
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| 12:04:06 | pondlife | Also, for the record, the SVN bootloader (10th December) works fine here with an 80GB disk. petur reported intermittent boot issues.... |
| 12:04:19 | LinusN | haven't used my h300 for quite a while, have to refresh my memory |
| 12:04:36 | petur | pondlife: was anything changed for that? |
| 12:04:53 | pondlife | Nope, I just switched HD and it all worked |
| 12:05:34 | petur | hmmm... I think I tried my 80GB disk on my other h300 but can't remember the outcome :( |
| 12:06:01 | pondlife | amiconn: I get a slight click on booting, but nothing notable, same as with the OF. This is just a boot with no USB cable involved. |
| 12:07:05 | * | pondlife marvels at how long the OF takes to boot with 60GB of data... |
| 12:07:19 | pondlife | 2 mins + |
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| 12:18:06 | amiconn | LinusN: The HDD click when inserting the usb cable also happens with the official bootloader... what your latest test version (months ago) added for me was a click on *every* boot |
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| 12:18:28 | LinusN | amiconn: ah |
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| 12:21:10 | woodensoul | For those target with a RTC, couldn't recording by time be implemented? |
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| 12:22:02 | LinusN | woodensoul: sure, somebody just has to do it |
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| 12:22:59 | woodensoul | Well I guess I'm wondering how hard it could be to do since we already have functioning RTC and recording. |
| 12:23:26 | woodensoul | at "such and such a time" record |
| 12:23:53 | DerPapst | GodEater: reading your note about a mail to redhat for the diffs... since it seems time is short by those you've volunteerd maybe you could write up something, pastebin it and discuss it with them so one of them could send it to redhat? |
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| 12:23:57 | woodensoul | for "such and such a time" |
| 12:24:29 | * | DerPapst wonders if that sentence makes sense... because of grammar and such ;-) |
| 12:25:58 | GodEater | DerPapst: the reason I volunteered them is because (Bagder at least) has written such emails before, and therefore likely has a nice format for them. I could certainly knock up a "please can we have" email, but I'm not sure the best way about phrasing the request. |
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| 12:26:43 | DerPapst | ah ok.. understood :-) |
| 12:27:49 | Bagder | I don't have any particularly well phrased sample stored, I've just wrote them for each time I've needed them, explaining who I am, where I come from and what I want in clear terms |
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| 12:30:18 | GodEater | ok - I'll give it a go then |
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| 12:32:17 | pondlife | GodEater: I was mainly thinking that if status icons are at the top of the screen, it would make transition to a global/consistent status bar easier down the road. |
| 12:32:21 | LinusN | woodensoul: it's in fact extremely easy to accomplish, but integrating it with the user interface is not as simple |
| 12:32:50 | LinusN | woodensoul: and do you really want it to switch to recording when you are currently using the player for playback? |
| 12:32:58 | LinusN | woodensoul: etc etc |
| 12:33:05 | woodensoul | LinusN: What do you mean by that? The settings for it? |
| 12:33:16 | woodensoul | That could be an option. |
| 12:33:28 | LinusN | everything can be an option |
| 12:33:29 | woodensoul | Yes/No Record even when in playback. |
| 12:33:41 | LinusN | "when playing doom" |
| 12:33:47 | LinusN | "when player is off" |
| 12:34:00 | pondlife | "When recording something else"? |
| 12:34:19 | woodensoul | Well the only valid one that I could really see being used is haveing the player turn on to record, but I didn't think that was possible. |
| 12:34:41 | LinusN | add to that all the settings that go with the recording, such as source, sample rate, encoder etc |
| 12:34:48 | woodensoul | Then why not just make it work when playback is stopped and not in a plugin? |
| 12:35:08 | Llorean | Why not set it to record when you enter the recording screen, then shut off the player and use a wake-up alarm? |
| 12:35:09 | woodensoul | Just make it record with all the recording settings left alone |
| 12:35:11 | pondlife | If we're going to work on timed events, I'd like to see it built as a general alarm/scheduler controlled from the calendar plugin... |
| 12:35:44 | LinusN | woodensoul: yes, the first basic implementation would probably do just that |
| 12:35:52 | GodEater | pondlife: you mean the calendar plugin which isn't in svn yet ? ;) |
| 12:36:00 | pondlife | Of course ;) |
| 12:36:09 | woodensoul | I was gonna say... what calendar plugin? |
| 12:36:21 | * | pondlife searches Flyspray again |
| 12:36:46 | GodEater | 4702 I think |
| 12:36:53 | pondlife | 4760? |
| 12:36:59 | GodEater | yes that one |
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| 12:37:27 | woodensoul | Well if there is enough interest in the timed recording feature by those that can do it, I'd like to see it. |
| 12:37:35 | pondlife | It's awaiting Archos compatibility work, I think. Plus standardised menus? |
| 12:37:53 | woodensoul | I was thinking about using Rockbox on my H140 to record talk radio shows while I am sleeping. |
| 12:38:29 | LinusN | a lot of people want to have that functionality |
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| 12:38:53 | Llorean | woodensoul: "those can do it" pretty much boils down to "Those who want it badly enough to spend the time on it." You could spend the time learning to become "those who can do it" |
| 12:39:38 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/845048 |
| 12:39:42 | woodensoul | Well I know C, so maybe this could be a project for me to throw on the resume... I'm looking for a job. :) |
| 12:41:01 | Llorean | GodEater: To some form of eCos list or? |
| 12:41:05 | woodensoul | What's the best place to start to get to know the basic design of the Rockbox code? |
| 12:41:17 | GodEater | ecos-discuss@sourceware.org |
| 12:41:26 | Llorean | Well, it sounds good to me. |
| 12:41:53 | * | GodEater will await thumbs up from Bagder/LinusN/amiconn before hitting send |
| 12:42:57 | Bagder | I'm perfectly fine with that! |
| 12:43:37 | LinusN | GodEater: it's a bit ironic that you failed to spell "illiterate" correctly |
| 12:43:47 | pondlife | lol |
| 12:44:03 | GodEater | hehehe |
| 12:44:21 | * | GodEater removes the spurious "l" |
| 12:44:24 | Bagder | also, my firefox says "publically" is wrong |
| 12:44:26 | DerPapst | "of this code. It would" s/./? |
| 12:44:29 | LinusN | and "Is there anybody subscribed to this list..." should probably have a question mark |
| 12:44:33 | Bagder | "publicly" it is |
| 12:44:37 | GodEater | that too |
| 12:44:54 | * | GodEater corrects the missing "?" |
| 12:44:58 | DerPapst | yea... that is what i meant. |
| 12:45:20 | GodEater | anything else before I fire ? |
| 12:45:34 | * | DerPapst likes it. |
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| 12:47:03 | GodEater | shall I perhaps cc the rockbox-dev list ? |
| 12:47:34 | Bagder | sure, can't hurt |
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| 12:48:21 | GodEater | Torpedo is in the water... |
| 12:48:59 | * | DerPapst crosses fingers |
| 12:49:30 | woodensoul | what text editor do you guys recommend for viewing source files? |
| 12:49:48 | GodEater | DerPapst: I imagine the ipod-devs would be interested if we get a decent reply too... ;) |
| 12:50:07 | Bagder | are there any left? B-] |
| 12:50:16 | GodEater | it might resurrect some :) |
| 12:50:17 | pondlife | They all moved onto Zunes... |
| 12:50:21 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 12:50:30 | DerPapst | yep... since the pp5003 seems to be similar to the pp5020 |
| 12:52:09 | * | GodEater wonders how many people will be confused by his apparent submission to the rb-dev list |
| 12:53:09 | Bagder | my guess is ... 3 public replies asking, and 2 private... |
| 12:53:22 | conando | lol |
| 12:53:23 | Bagder | and they'll all full-quote top-post ;-) |
| 12:53:28 | GodEater | hehe |
| 12:53:42 | pondlife | No change there then. |
| 12:53:45 | GodEater | I've not noticed that many top posters on the dev list |
| 12:53:50 | GodEater | I must not pay much attention |
| 12:54:35 | Bagder | it's quite possible, I poor both lists into the same mailbox so I tend not to notice the differences between the lists |
| 12:54:59 | GodEater | s/poor/pour ? |
| 12:55:07 | Bagder | yes |
| 12:56:58 | * | DerPapst never used mailing lists.. i'm too scared to make mistakes :-P |
| 12:57:40 | amiconn | woodensoul: You can already do that afaik... use alarm wakeup and set it to start in recording screen |
| 12:58:28 | Nico_P | GodEater: could you try changing the chunksize value to see if it has an influence on the playback glitching? |
| 12:59:04 | GodEater | if you can tell me where it lives, and watch to try changing it to - then sure ;) |
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| 13:00:24 | Nico_P | it's in buffering.c:BUFFERING_DEFAULT_FILECHUNK. try doubling it |
| 13:01:46 | GodEater | ok - building now |
| 13:01:51 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
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| 13:02:54 | woodensoul | Isn't alarm wakeup only for iPods? |
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| 13:04:09 | * | GodEater is tempted once again to remove doom from plugins/SOURCES |
| 13:04:42 | woodensoul | Why remove doom? |
| 13:04:54 | conando | nooo :) |
| 13:05:09 | GodEater | because it sucks ? |
| 13:05:16 | pondlife | To speed up compilation? |
| 13:05:40 | GodEater | both of the above |
| 13:05:44 | woodensoul | It's good for the awe value. |
| 13:05:45 | conando | lol |
| 13:05:55 | woodensoul | I personally never use it. |
| 13:06:02 | pondlife | It is awe-ful. |
| 13:06:14 | pondlife | Just like pictureflow ;) |
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| 13:06:24 | GodEater | duh dum - tsch |
| 13:06:25 | woodensoul | What's are your favorite features in Rockbox? |
| 13:06:26 | conando | although it's practically unplayable on most targets ;) |
| 13:06:32 | GodEater | woodensoul: music playback |
| 13:06:47 | conando | woodensoul: mpegplayer |
| 13:06:54 | woodensoul | When/If picture is availabe to play music, I think it would be nice to browse that way. |
| 13:06:59 | DerPapst | both are killerfeatures. if the (esp. Doom) were missing rockbox would only be half as possible as it is :-P |
| 13:07:10 | DerPapst | and the rockboy thingy of course |
| 13:07:13 | GodEater | "half as possible" ? |
| 13:07:14 | woodensoul | The OF has music playback. What specific features? |
| 13:07:21 | DerPapst | err.. |
| 13:07:24 | DerPapst | *popular |
| 13:07:24 | woodensoul | pictureflow i meant |
| 13:07:27 | GodEater | gapless! |
| 13:07:27 | * | DerPapst hides |
| 13:07:31 | GodEater | codecs! |
| 13:07:52 | pondlife | Crossfade |
| 13:07:53 | woodensoul | crossfading? replaygain? |
| 13:07:57 | GodEater | crossfeed |
| 13:08:07 | woodensoul | customizable WPS? |
| 13:08:08 | * | GodEater doesn't use crossfade ever |
| 13:08:15 | woodensoul | last.fm logging? |
| 13:08:16 | pondlife | Nico_P: Your patch gives a warning... CC playback.c playback.c: In function `audio_thread': playback.c:1960: warning: 'next_playlist_index' might be used uninitialized in this function |
| 13:08:20 | GodEater | I could live without a pretty WPS too |
| 13:08:25 | GodEater | and I don't use last.fm either |
| 13:08:26 | woodensoul | drag-and-drop transfers? |
| 13:08:36 | pondlife | Voice UI |
| 13:08:43 | GodEater | yeah - couldn't do without drag-n-drop either |
| 13:08:49 | Nico_P | pondlife: ah, thanks |
| 13:08:56 | GodEater | Nico_P: this looks like it - no glitches at all so far |
| 13:09:06 | GodEater | I've chopped around albums a few times |
| 13:09:12 | GodEater | and no dropouts while buffering at all |
| 13:09:17 | pondlife | GodEater: What did you increase it to? |
| 13:09:28 | woodensoul | I didn't say anything about pretty WPS, I said customizable. |
| 13:09:33 | GodEater | I doubled it as per Nico_P's suggestion |
| 13:09:38 | GodEater | so 1024*32 |
| 13:09:48 | Nico_P | it might cause problems on the flashmem targets though... jhMikeS changed it from 32k to 16k in r15724 |
| 13:09:49 | woodensoul | I think the database browsing feature are pretty slick too. |
| 13:10:09 | * | GodEater never uses the database |
| 13:10:22 | * | pondlife nearly always uses the database |
| 13:10:23 | woodensoul | even for genre? |
| 13:10:36 | * | DerPapst wonders what GodEater uses at all ^^ |
| 13:10:38 | * | GodEater refers to the "never" in the above statement |
| 13:10:45 | woodensoul | well there's another one then... ability to browse by files or database |
| 13:10:45 | pondlife | I don't use genre, but random album is very nice |
| 13:10:53 | * | Bagder never even started the database |
| 13:11:00 | woodensoul | I've been using random album lately. |
| 13:11:22 | GodEater | I don't even have a database on my ipod |
| 13:11:25 | pondlife | I like the way you can go back out and in if it picks a bad choice for your mood... |
| 13:11:55 | woodensoul | pondlife: me too, I see if the random album picked is OK before listening |
| 13:11:57 | woodensoul | lol |
| 13:12:15 | * | pondlife puts his chunksize up to 32K |
| 13:12:20 | woodensoul | I haven't tried adding random albums to a playlist though. Does that work? |
| 13:12:30 | pondlife | ...hmm RockCalendar needs sync-work. |
| 13:12:49 | pondlife | woodensoul: Should do, try it and bug it up if not. |
| 13:12:59 | GodEater | pondlife: indeed, I tried building it myself this morning |
| 13:14:02 | DerPapst | was there ever a csv viewer for rockbox? |
| 13:14:36 | * | DerPapst shuld search FS instead of asking stoopid questions |
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| 13:14:44 | DerPapst | *should even |
| 13:14:48 | ssn | hi guys |
| 13:14:53 | woodensoul | bug it up? |
| 13:15:02 | woodensoul | i guess you mean write a patch? |
| 13:15:09 | GodEater | DerPapst: only in as much as you can use the text viewer to view .csv files |
| 13:15:19 | pondlife | Anyone object if I change the heading of the first Database browse screen, from "Browse by..." to "Database" ? |
| 13:15:30 | ssn | is there a way to install rockbox or another ipod linux on a cf card (for an ipod mini) without having the apple firmware on it? |
| 13:15:35 | GodEater | pondlife: makes sense to me - I say do it |
| 13:15:42 | pondlife | OK, I will! |
| 13:16:05 | woodensoul | It'd be nice to have a text file version of the manual or some what to view PDFs on the device. |
| 13:16:15 | DerPapst | eh... i mixed it up of course i meant VCF :-P |
| 13:16:16 | woodensoul | what == way |
| 13:16:17 | GodEater | ssn: installing "rockbox" only required unzipping files - so yes - but I suspect you mean you want to be able to then just insert the card and boot into rockbox correct ? |
| 13:16:23 | DerPapst | and found it on the tracker |
| 13:16:30 | Llorean | ssn: And just as a note, Rockbox is not linux in any way. |
| 13:16:34 | ssn | because GodEater yes |
| 13:16:40 | ssn | Llorean: sorry :) |
| 13:16:58 | * | Llorean wonders where people keep getting the idea that Rockbox is a form of Linux |
| 13:17:03 | GodEater | ssn: in that case you need the apple firmware on the card in order to have a rockbox bootloader |
| 13:17:27 | DerPapst | Llorean: Open source is _always_ linux |
| 13:17:28 | Llorean | GodEater: You need an Apple Firmware Partition, it can be very small and doesn't need apple firmware in it, though. |
| 13:17:32 | DerPapst | :-P |
| 13:17:34 | ssn | i want to get my ipod mini to accept this cf card, but when i use the ipod with this card, i cannot get the apple firmware on it |
| 13:17:50 | GodEater | Llorean: you're so right - I keep forgetting that feature of ipodpatcher |
| 13:18:19 | GodEater | ssn: have you partitioned the card correctly ? |
| 13:18:54 | ssn | GodEater: sorry, dont know how to do this |
| 13:18:58 | ssn | well i can use fdisk |
| 13:19:03 | pondlife | I might commit keyclick too... disabled by default of course, but ready and waiting to make PortalPlayer-users ears bleed ;) |
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| 13:19:06 | ssn | but i dont know the correct layout |
| 13:19:51 | Llorean | pondlife: If it's not really "ready" yet, you could leave the option in debug, like button lights on Gigabeat was for a while |
| 13:20:13 | GodEater | ssn: you just need two partitions, one small one near the beginning of the card, marked as type 0 |
| 13:20:16 | pondlife | It's ready, but PCMBUF beep on PP has a bug. |
| 13:20:24 | GodEater | ssn: and then the FAT32 one after it taking up the rest of the card |
| 13:20:33 | pondlife | I have no tarrget that shows the issue |
| 13:21:05 | DerPapst | ssn: some partitiontables: http://ipodlinux.org/Restore_without_Itunes#Partition_Tables |
| 13:21:11 | GodEater | #ifdef it out for PP targets ? |
| 13:21:17 | ssn | is it ok if the first partition has just 1 block? |
| 13:21:19 | pondlife | Committing keyclick might give someone who has a PP target the impetus to fix the PCM layer though. |
| 13:21:37 | pondlife | I don't like #ifdefs particularly.. |
| 13:21:42 | GodEater | ssn: it needs to be large enough for the rockbox bootloader to go into |
| 13:21:50 | DerPapst | ssn: iirc yes. |
| 13:21:52 | pondlife | The broken code is in the current build anyway ;) |
| 13:22:35 | ssn | GodEater: whats "large enough" :D |
| 13:22:35 | DerPapst | ssn: one issue will be that ipodpatcher will not detect your ipod. |
| 13:22:55 | DerPapst | the rb bootloader is just a few KB |
| 13:23:06 | DerPapst | one cylinder is large enough |
| 13:23:52 | ssn | ok so i partitioned it |
| 13:24:13 | ssn | shoul i put it back in my ipod an try to get the apple firmware on it? |
| 13:24:14 | DerPapst | i wonder.. can scrable be used to "unscrable"? |
| 13:24:37 | ssn | or can i somehow do this without the apple firmware? |
| 13:24:43 | DerPapst | ssn: the apple fw will hardly fit into one cylinder... |
| 13:24:47 | pondlife | scrabble? Now there's a killer app... |
| 13:25:02 | DerPapst | *scramble... |
| 13:25:05 | DerPapst | meh :-P |
| 13:25:46 | DerPapst | ssn: yes. you neet a bootloader in bin format and scramble. |
| 13:25:50 | ssn | DerPapst: so how do i get the loader on there? |
| 13:25:51 | DerPapst | and dd :-) |
| 13:26:02 | ssn | because ipodpatcher wants to have the apple firmware |
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| 13:26:19 | ssn | DerPapst: i ve been looking for that :) |
| 13:27:28 | DerPapst | you won't find it unless you build the bootloader yourself i guess. |
| 13:28:19 | ssn | dont know how to do that |
| 13:29:20 | ssn | well, ill try to get the original firmware onto it again |
| 13:29:23 | DerPapst | wait a bit.. i'll try something. |
| 13:29:34 | ssn | ok |
| 13:29:42 | amiconn | DerPapst: There's 'descramble', but I'm not sure whether that one was updated to keep it symmetric to 'scramble' |
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| 13:30:00 | * | DerPapst nods.. |
| 13:30:25 | DerPapst | iirc scrable added an 8 bytes header to the bin? |
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| 13:31:24 | DerPapst | ssn: what ipod mini do you have? 1st gen or 2nd gen? |
| 13:31:43 | ssn | i dont have the casing, so i dont know |
| 13:31:54 | ssn | ther e was a 4gb microdrive in there |
| 13:32:01 | ssn | does this help? |
| 13:32:26 | DerPapst | amiconn: are the bootloaders for mini 1G and mini 2G the same? probably not... |
| 13:33:21 | amiconn | Of course not, as the builds are different |
| 13:33:32 | DerPapst | bummer :-P |
| 13:33:41 | Llorean | amiconn: It's a fairish question because we have one bootloader and two builds, sorta, for the 5Gs. |
| 13:33:49 | DerPapst | ssn: what color does the text on the clickwheel have? |
| 13:33:58 | ssn | grey |
| 13:34:01 | DerPapst | and sansa... |
| 13:34:18 | DerPapst | i assume you have a 1st gen :-) |
| 13:34:21 | Nico_P | pondlife: do you get glitches with chunksize set to 32k? |
| 13:34:27 | pondlife | Not yet! |
| 13:34:28 | DerPapst | or did it have a silver case? |
| 13:34:34 | ssn | DerPapst: green |
| 13:34:38 | DerPapst | ok |
| 13:34:39 | ssn | i think so to |
| 13:34:42 | DerPapst | 1st gen :-P |
| 13:34:53 | Nico_P | is there someone who could test changing the chunksize with a flash target? |
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| 13:35:45 | * | DerPapst builds a mini 1G bootloader :-) |
| 13:36:47 | ssn | DerPapst: that really nice of you :) |
| 13:37:03 | amiconn | Llorean: Yeah, but those builds have the same target id |
| 13:37:45 | amiconn | DerPapst: The only way to reliably tell whether it's a 1st or 2nd Gen mini is the text on the back |
| 13:38:01 | pondlife | Nico_P: Any particular playback tests I should be trying with your latest patch? |
| 13:38:18 | pondlife | I've checked out both crossfade and not. |
| 13:38:19 | amiconn | 2nd Gen has the capacity written there (4GB or 6GB), 1st Gen doesn't (as it only came as 4GB model) |
| 13:38:30 | DerPapst | "click wheel font matches the color of the iPod Mini," |
| 13:38:39 | DerPapst | this is what i've tried to use... |
| 13:38:47 | ssn | amiconn: it doesnt hurt me if its the wrong one |
| 13:38:53 | DerPapst | for mini 2G that is |
| 13:38:56 | ssn | since there aint any firmware on it |
| 13:38:57 | ssn | ;) |
| 13:39:01 | DerPapst | nope |
| 13:39:45 | amiconn | The wrong one wouldn't work at all |
| 13:40:04 | ssn | then it would do the same thing my ipod does now :D |
| 13:41:19 | Nico_P | pondlife: mostly auto dir changing and track changing in general |
| 13:41:25 | pondlife | OK |
| 13:41:37 | pondlife | Nothing to report thus far. |
| 13:42:15 | Nico_P | cool :) |
| 13:42:28 | Nico_P | I'll probably commit later this evening |
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| 13:50:31 | GodEater | interesting - just got my very first "very low battery" warning from the ipod - even though it's not (according to rockbox) |
| 13:51:16 | DerPapst | heh |
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| 13:52:57 | DerPapst | amiconn: incase i compiled the wrong bootloader... would the (wrong) rockbox bl still go in diskmode if the iPod is connected to a pc at bootup? |
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| 14:00:07 | markun | hi jott |
| 14:01:47 | pondlife | Nico_P: On the last song in a directory, the next track info displays the current track info here. Might be my WPS (one of the Cabbie 2.0s), but I suspect not. |
| 14:02:01 | pondlife | Don't know if that's a new "feature" or not. |
| 14:02:16 | Nico_P | funny, I fixed that some time ago... maybe the patch made it reappear |
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| 14:23:22 | Lars_G | In case you guys care, woot has sansas e260 today at $55 including shipping |
| 14:24:47 | PaulJam | v1 or v2? |
| 14:25:00 | linuxstb | GodEater: Regarding your Karma source code email, I think it's also worth asking about Rio's original obligations regarding the ecos patches - the publically available license seems to clearly say that Rio should have offered the source to users, so either Rio were infringing, or they had the source under a different license. |
| 14:25:42 | GodEater | linuxstb: http://empegbbs.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/197014/site_id/1#import |
| 14:25:51 | GodEater | there's some info in there about the license they got eCos under |
| 14:27:43 | GodEater | linuxstb: if you wish to ask about their obligations under that license, it might be worth asking in the thread. ukre is pretty much the alpha and omega of what they did back then. |
| 14:28:13 | GodEater | not that he could help us out personally now, since he doesn't work for rio anymore |
| 14:28:36 | GodEater | he's busy making other people very unhappy about a certain popular cell phone |
| 14:28:54 | DerPapst | heh |
| 14:29:15 | linuxstb | Sure, I'll post the question in the forum thread, but it could also have been asked in your email - but I missed the consultation deadline... ;) |
| 14:29:46 | GodEater | it could have been yes - but I can't go back in time and change it now... |
| 14:29:57 | GodEater | unless that's some undocumented feature of rockbox somewhere ? |
| 14:30:01 | GodEater | :) |
| 14:30:10 | * | GodEater resolves to check FS |
| 14:34:56 | linuxstb | I'm just saying it now so that you can maybe mention it in any replies. |
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| 14:35:05 | linuxstb | I've also just posted to the forum thread. |
| 14:35:14 | GodEater | ok - I'll bear it in mine. |
| 14:35:16 | GodEater | *mind |
| 14:35:49 | webguest12 | hi i need som help with my rockbox, i have the v2 on my iaudio x5.. and somehow its gone into mute.. how do i remove mute ? |
| 14:36:08 | linuxstb | Turn the volume up |
| 14:36:15 | webguest12 | that doesnt help... |
| 14:36:21 | GodEater | unpause it... |
| 14:36:24 | linuxstb | What do you mean by "v2" ? |
| 14:36:33 | webguest12 | 2.0 |
| 14:36:37 | linuxstb | Of what? |
| 14:36:39 | webguest12 | or what ever the latest version is |
| 14:36:42 | webguest12 | rockbox |
| 14:36:55 | linuxstb | Rockbox doesn't have a numbered release for the X5. |
| 14:37:13 | webguest12 | when i boot up my device it says version 2.0 |
| 14:37:24 | DerPapst | that's probably the bootloader... |
| 14:37:44 | * | DerPapst knows nothing about the X5 and shuts up |
| 14:37:59 | linuxstb | You can see the version of Rockbox itself in the System menu somewhere |
| 14:38:08 | moos | yup DerPapst bootloader version 2 |
| 14:38:09 | webguest12 | yea when its booting up |
| 14:38:25 | webguest12 | anyways, is there anyway to enable/disable mute |
| 14:38:29 | Lars_G | PaulJam: You mean es260 v1 or v2? no idea, to be sincere... sigh I guess v2 will not load rockbox? |
| 14:38:37 | linuxstb | There isn't a mute option |
| 14:38:40 | webguest12 | becaause i see a mute icon thingy up there with the rest of the volume thingys |
| 14:38:41 | Lars_G | I'll take the risk, and if I can't rockbox it, I'll resell it locally |
| 14:38:49 | DerPapst | hah.. guessed right :-) where can i get my prize? |
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| 14:39:04 | Lars_G | webguest12: it's a little speaker to denote volume, not a mute icon, afaik |
| 14:39:13 | linuxstb | Too late... |
| 14:39:14 | PaulJam | Lars_G: yes, afaik rockbox doesn't support the v2 |
| 14:39:29 | Lars_G | PaulJam: and it's a "never will" like new iPods, or a "not yet" ? |
| 14:39:56 | DerPapst | iirc a not yet |
| 14:39:59 | linuxstb | Lars_G: It doesn't look to be an impossible port (easier than the new iPods), but it still needs volunteers... |
| 14:40:01 | PaulJam | Lars_G: i have no idea, check the tread in the new ports section in the forums. |
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| 14:41:31 | moos | the mail in the list says that those are v1 (don't know he did know) |
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| 14:42:29 | moos | *(I don't know how he did know even) |
| 14:42:41 | * | DerPapst runs |
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| 14:42:41 | Lars_G | Ok thanks |
| 14:43:36 | Lars_G | Ah well if it's a V2, it's unsupported and a matter of just adding a new arch, I might try it out myself. who knows |
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| 14:45:14 | GodEater | it's never a matter of "just" adding a new arch - it's always lots of hard work |
| 14:46:53 | linuxstb | PaulJam: Thanks for the viewports bug report... |
| 14:49:47 | linuxstb | Regarding 3., I'm torn about how to handle bitmaps - whether they should specified using full-screen co-ordinates (as the current patch does it), or if they should be drawn within a viewport. I'm now being convinced by the second option. |
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| 14:53:32 | Llorean | linuxstb: I thought they should be done within it. |
| 14:54:41 | Llorean | More for logic than anything else though. To a user, the viewports are going to seem to be "on top" of other things, and they're going to want to define images within them if the image is expected to show up. It just 'makes sense' from the standpoint of windows and other similar things. |
| 14:55:05 | amiconn | Of course bitmap coordinates should be relative to the active viewport... |
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| 15:00:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Thanks for sending out the e-mail to the eCos discussion list! |
| 15:00:45 | linuxstb | At the LCD driver level they are, but the WPS code deals with images separately to lines, so it's more work to link WPS images with a viewport. |
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| 15:02:31 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: it wasn't entirely a selfless act - I want the PP details for my own target ;) |
| 15:02:58 | * | GodEater goes to the gym |
| 15:03:00 | Lars_G | GodEater: Oh don't worry I am a fan of microcontrollers and architectures, I know how much of a work reversing and working with a new arch can be |
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| 15:08:02 | Eren | hello all |
| 15:08:34 | Eren | I've successfully installed rockbox on my 4g ipod photo but I couldn't find deep sleep option |
| 15:08:47 | Eren | is it possible to use deep sleep feature? |
| 15:09:06 | PaulJam | i dont think rockbox has such a feature. |
| 15:09:10 | Eren | hm |
| 15:09:40 | Eren | so I'll try to install iPodLinux =) I'm thinking of running both iPodLinux, Rockbox and Apple OS |
| 15:12:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | Eren: My 4G iPod color doesn't have any such feature. |
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| 15:28:44 | * | linuxstb ponders committing just the firmware/ parts of his viewports patch today, rather than waiting until the WPS code is finished |
| 15:30:27 | LinusN | i guess we will want to change parts of the wps language to better handle viewports anyway |
| 15:31:46 | Lars_G | Btw I didn't notice who was pushing stuff onto mpegplayer, but kudos to you, great work so far |
| 15:33:22 | preglow | linuxstb: viewports has a firmware part? |
| 15:33:34 | linuxstb | preglow: Of course, all the lcd drivers... |
| 15:33:42 | linuxstb | Plus the scrolling code. |
| 15:33:43 | preglow | :D |
| 15:33:48 | DogBoy | is there a link somewhere that explains what viewports is |
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| 15:34:11 | preglow | Lars_G: that would be jhMikeS |
| 15:34:11 | linuxstb | You could try reading the patch comments - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8385 |
| 15:34:20 | linuxstb | ^to DogBoy |
| 15:36:26 | linuxstb | LinusN: I think it's more that the code is designed to work around limitations of full-width text lines. So for example, bitmaps are always drawn last, so they are not overwritten by text. That's not needed with viewports. |
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| 15:38:06 | LinusN | linuxstb: ah, i see |
| 15:39:22 | * | LinusN spots a nice database patch |
| 15:44:27 | DogBoy | linuxstb, I can't see anything there by way of explaining how it's different from what was done before |
| 15:44:50 | DogBoy | as far as what the reason or intention is |
| 15:45:19 | Lars_G | So we have a rockcurses now ;) |
| 15:50:17 | linuxstb | DogBoy: Basically, the LCD drawing API in Rockbox currently treats the LCD as a single full-screen window made up of lines of text of the same height, and drawing (graphics and text) is done within this window. Lines of text then scroll full-width (or with a left-margin) covering the full width of the screen. The viewports concept allows the apps code to define lots of smaller rectangular windows (viewports) on the screen, and drawing/s |
| 15:50:17 | linuxstb | crolling is limited to the confines of that rectangle. |
| 15:50:53 | DogBoy | ah |
| 15:50:58 | DogBoy | thank you |
| 15:51:19 | DogBoy | ^linuxstb |
| 15:52:01 | linuxstb | The first use of this will be in the WPS, but the plan is to use them throught Rockbox to create a more flexible UI. |
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| 15:55:13 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I think committing the firmware/ part first is a good idea |
| 15:55:49 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Me too, it also makes the binsize increase easier on the eye to commit in pieces... |
| 15:55:51 | * | Nico_P really should take a good look at the WPS part |
| 15:55:57 | Nico_P | hehe :) |
| 15:56:48 | Slasheri | ah, that new database patch looks great, going to commit it |
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| 16:00:04 | Nico_P | linuxstb: about the list widget, I don't see what good putting its parts in different viewports is going to bring |
| 16:00:12 | Slasheri | now it looks funny that i have made so large "typos" and didn't even notice it :) |
| 16:00:35 | Nico_P | also, will it be possible to say "sraw a list in that viewport" if the list is made of several viewports? |
| 16:01:26 | linuxstb | Nico_P: The reason is to give flexibilty about positioning, and also to simplify the code. |
| 16:01:28 | Nico_P | Slasheri: have you seen roolku's AA patch for the DB? |
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| 16:01:55 | Slasheri | Nico_P: hmm, yep. But i don't have any opinion about AA |
| 16:02:04 | Nico_P | linuxstb: isn't the positioning already flexible enough? |
| 16:02:41 | Nico_P | Slasheri: do you think it's sane to keep an AA path in the DB for each track? |
| 16:02:43 | linuxstb | You can't have icons/scrollbar on the right hand side for example - with a single viewport, the lines would scroll over them. |
| 16:02:57 | Nico_P | ah, right |
| 16:03:46 | Nico_P | but then it wouldn't be possible to specify a viewport to draw a list into, would it? |
| 16:04:09 | linuxstb | Yes, but the list code then uses more viewports to split that viewport up into the different parts. |
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| 16:04:52 | Nico_P | ok |
| 16:07:09 | Nico_P | time for class again... later |
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| 16:17:16 | Slasheri | Nico_P: well, that's what i am not sure about. At least i think that data shouldn't be loaded to ram at all |
| 16:17:49 | linuxstb | How about just a code, saying how to create the artwork filename from the track filename? |
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| 16:29:34 | draeath | Where was the page that shows the SVN build status? (and where the heck is it linked to? Can't find it) |
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| 16:29:57 | GodEater | draeath: go to current builds page |
| 16:30:01 | GodEater | then check the links at the top |
| 16:30:55 | draeath | how did i miss that.... |
| 16:30:58 | draeath | thanks GodEater |
| 16:31:01 | GodEater | np |
| 16:31:37 | draeath | next silly question: can I tell svn to exclude a file from updating? |
| 16:32:14 | draeath | a commit is causing me issues (submitted report) but the other commits would be useful for me |
| 16:32:47 | GodEater | draeath: you'd be better asking an svn channel that question... |
| 16:33:41 | draeath | right-o |
| 16:33:57 | draeath | thanks for humouring my newbieness |
| 16:35:18 | linuxstb | dreath: Just replace the file in question with the older version manually. |
| 16:35:46 | linuxstb | So for example, make a copy now, then do "svn update", then move it back. |
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| 16:37:05 | draeath | that would work |
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| 16:37:24 | draeath | kind of dirty but hey, it'll only effect me |
| 16:40:01 | GodEater | you could probably make the file immutable too if you're running linux and on an ext2/3/4 file system |
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| 16:53:06 | Eren | hm, I think rockbox is not suitable for long usage iPod :\ |
| 16:53:34 | Eren | it doesn't support deep sleep like original firmware, and so, battery is consumed a lot while on idle time |
| 16:53:53 | linuxstb | No, you just turn it off... |
| 16:54:05 | Domonoky | Eren: instead of deep sleep, rockbox shuts down the ipod, saves batteries.. |
| 16:54:14 | linuxstb | Unless you're talking about the 1st/2nd gen ipods... |
| 16:54:26 | Eren | its 4g photo |
| 16:54:33 | linuxstb | Then yes, just turn it off. |
| 16:55:00 | Eren | hm, but something I've read tells that powering off iPod consumes more battery than actual code? |
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| 16:55:47 | Domonoky | Eren: thats not true.. while running rockbox consumes more energie.. but not when shutdown.. :-) |
| 16:55:57 | linuxstb | You mean the ipod consumes more power when off than when on? |
| 16:56:04 | Eren | linuxstb: no |
| 16:56:09 | Eren | :) |
| 16:56:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Eren: I've never noticed that sort of behavior before on either one of my iPods. |
| 16:57:06 | Eren | hm, some guys also suggest not to use complicated themes |
| 16:58:11 | linuxstb | Well, if you want long battery life, a 4g (or later) ipod isn't a good choice with Rockbox - but it's getting better as more is discovered about the hardware. |
| 16:58:48 | Eren | I just use DGT Collection, which is great :) I think, it will effect battery usage, I also set dircaching |
| 16:59:18 | Eren | linuxstb: hm, maybe right, but I can say that I'm happier with rockbox than originial ipod firmware |
| 16:59:54 | Eren | rockbox really provides soung quality, allowing bass, trable, balance is the best for me :P |
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| 17:00:29 | PaulJam | i somehow doubt that the conplexity of a theme afects runtime noticeably. |
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| 17:01:19 | Eren | which platform does rockbox run efficiently on? |
| 17:01:30 | Eren | I mean, better sound quality, less battery usage |
| 17:01:51 | preglow | jhMikeS: really nice work on mpegplayer :) |
| 17:02:19 | * | LinusN agrees |
| 17:02:49 | preglow | though i'm not really surprised when i see excellent work from you anymore :D |
| 17:03:15 | Eren | hm.. hackers :) |
| 17:03:15 | jhMikeS | preglow: thanks much |
| 17:03:33 | jhMikeS | such a beast of a plugin that one is :) |
| 17:03:49 | linuxstb | Next step, integration into the core ;) |
| 17:04:18 | jhMikeS | could be done if core buffer allows codec-controlled buffer handling |
| 17:04:42 | linuxstb | Don't we want that for things like midi? |
| 17:05:59 | krazykit | Eren, check the BuyersGuide wiki page: it lists the general battery life for the various targets. |
| 17:06:08 | jhMikeS | I think for that too. Things should be handled as abstract data properties in stead of discrete types like bitmap, album art, imo |
| 17:06:19 | PaulJam | are there still bugs with skipping back (so rebuffering is necessary)? my h300 just played a very loud and unpleasant niose in the middle of a song (i'm happy i didn't use headphones). |
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| 17:08:26 | jhMikeS | things were put together with an eye toward handling different containers and stream types (ie. make the whole thing into "movieplayer"). it does that in a minor way now. |
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| 17:09:45 | Eren | hmm |
| 17:09:57 | Eren | iRiver h100 16-18h :\ |
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| 17:10:37 | krazykit | Eren, or go for the 40-hour target ;-) |
| 17:10:48 | Eren | ehh :) |
| 17:11:18 | Eren | krazykit: is it an über hack, that machine's batters is much more bigger? :P |
| 17:12:16 | krazykit | i'm not really familiar with that one. there's a battery mod for the gigabeat F that's supposed to give you 24 or so hours |
| 17:13:09 | petur | iriver + better battery also gives you 20+ hours |
| 17:13:57 | pondlife | petur: Where did you get a "better battery" from? |
| 17:14:17 | petur | CameronSino 2300mAh |
| 17:14:22 | pondlife | Thanks |
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| 17:14:36 | pondlife | Does that need the connector changing too? |
| 17:14:37 | Eren | 2300mAh, is it a capacity of a bettery? |
| 17:15:07 | krazykit | yes |
| 17:15:11 | Eren | I think, my iPod's battery is 700mAh |
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| 17:18:22 | pondlife | petur: How much was it roughly? I assume 2200mAh for £18 is expensive: http://www.batterymill.co.uk/products/mp3_players/iriver/iriver_h110-120-140-320-340.html |
| 17:18:54 | petur | I got mine in honkong |
| 17:20:31 | petur | one of these I think: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2200mAh-HI-BATTERY-FOR-iRiver-H110-H120-H140-H320-H340_W0QQitemZ260199396747QQihZ016QQcategoryZ86541QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 17:21:30 | pondlife | Thanks, same model I think |
| 17:21:45 | pondlife | So £20 inc P+P is expensive :) |
| 17:21:58 | petur | or this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BATTERY-FOR-iRiver-H110-H120-H140-H320-H340-MP3-tool_W0QQitemZ310013229620QQihZ021QQcategoryZ86541QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 17:22:46 | petur | last one was a bad one anyway - only 1700mAh |
| 17:22:59 | pondlife | Did yours have the correct connector/polarity? |
| 17:23:27 | petur | if you buy the iriver h1x0/h3x0 model, it should be ok - mine was |
| 17:25:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ooh good... batterymill offers international shipping. :) |
| 17:26:14 | pondlife | Haha, I've found an even more expensive place:http://www.batteryupgrade.com/products.php?categorieId=32665546 |
| 17:26:24 | pondlife | £25 + postage |
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| 17:26:38 | pondlife | Ah, free shipping worldwide |
| 17:26:45 | pondlife | Bargain :) |
| 17:27:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Those prices are madness! |
| 17:27:39 | pondlife | Indeed |
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| 17:28:49 | petur | pondlife: fyi, I bought mine from a seller called "battery_centre" (sino_battery [at] yahoo.com.hk) - very happy with it |
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| 17:40:38 | major_works | Can anyone help me with make errors occuring in mpegplayer.c? |
| 17:42:39 | markun | major_works: can you paste the errors in some pastebin site? |
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| 17:44:11 | major_works | It's only two... can I paste them here? |
| 17:44:29 | GodEater | major_works: please use a pastebin site |
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| 17:46:11 | major_works | Here it is: http://pastebin.com/d24b9256a |
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| 17:48:05 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is reading the link from major_works |
| 17:48:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | Lines 3 and 4 say it |
| 17:48:42 | jhMikeS | is this with some other patch applied? |
| 17:48:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | Too few arguments to functions 'rb->font_get_width' and 'rb->font_get_bits' |
| 17:49:22 | * | jhMikeS wonders how that's happening |
| 17:49:26 | major_works | Yep. I have a few in there, mostly minor ones that I don't think touch that file. |
| 17:49:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | major_works: Which patches did you try applying? |
| 17:50:07 | major_works | I have Viewports, bmp resizing, and multifont, among others. |
| 17:50:26 | major_works | Sorry I don't know the FS #s off the top of my head. |
| 17:50:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | What are the "among others"? |
| 17:50:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | Can you go look them up again for us? |
| 17:51:11 | pondlife | Or remove them one at a time until the problem goes away... |
| 17:51:18 | major_works | The battery charging one... one that opens up the line widths for the ID3 screen... a different text-editor keymap. |
| 17:51:35 | major_works | OK... pondlife's suggestion seems best. I'll try it. |
| 17:52:20 | major_works | Patches notwithstanding, I was wondering if the errors might be indicative of some other problem within mpegplayer.c. |
| 17:52:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | major_works: Yes, I agree with pondlife. |
| 17:56:41 | linuxstb | major_works: I would guess the multifont patch is conflicting. |
| 17:58:02 | major_works | That's the first one I'm going to try removing. I'll come back after I try that. |
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| 18:00:11 | major_works | kugel: have you tried a build with multifont yet? |
| 18:01:09 | kugel | no |
| 18:01:16 | kugel | I was working on my todo list |
| 18:01:34 | kugel | started with the two main menu customizing patches |
| 18:01:43 | kugel | which I have finished |
| 18:01:51 | kugel | but yesterday I got stucked with custom list |
| 18:02:32 | kugel | can't sync it to viewports, at least not without loosing the list width feature |
| 18:02:42 | major_works | I tried adding multifont along with Viewports and bmp resizing... seems to have caused issues with mpegplayer.c |
| 18:03:03 | major_works | I'm waiting for a make to finish running without multifont |
| 18:03:04 | kugel | yea, there's a hunk missing in multifont |
| 18:03:44 | kugel | I spotted it and added in my private copy of multifont, however (I do not know why) tdooke doesn't seem know about that issue |
| 18:04:01 | major_works | I'll post a note in the tracker. Thanks. |
| 18:04:06 | kugel | no wait |
| 18:04:17 | kugel | I'll just upload my multifont version soon |
| 18:04:28 | major_works | OK, good deal. Thanks very much. |
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| 18:15:18 | major_works | FYI... yep, it was indeed the multifont patch causing the errors in mpegplayer.c |
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| 18:16:10 | draeath | I would like to request write access to the wiki |
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| 18:18:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | draeath: What's your name on the wiki so the boys can give you access? |
| 18:19:36 | draeath | who would I PM? (i don't want to associate my nickname with my real name in public) |
| 18:20:28 | draeath | aah I'll suck it up. |
| 18:20:30 | draeath | PaulBransford |
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| 18:25:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | draeath: One of the boys will fix you right up! |
| 18:25:50 | draeath | thanks |
| 18:26:28 | scorche|w | LambdaCalculus37: you cant? |
| 18:26:48 | Domonoky | draeath: should be done |
| 18:27:19 | Domonoky | everyone with wiki access can... dreath: promise not to spam ! :-) |
| 18:28:09 | draeath | I promise! No spam from me! |
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| 18:29:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | draeath: Remember: The only good Spam comes in a can. :) |
| 18:30:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Lunchtime... will be back! |
| 18:30:05 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is away |
| 18:30:40 | draeath | I would'nt even call that good, unless you slice it and fry it ;) |
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| 18:34:10 | linuxstb | kugel: Why would using viewports mean you lose the list width feature? Surely viewports would make that easier (you just define the width of the viewport...) |
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| 18:34:36 | kugel | linuxstb: No, I meant /I/ can't do it |
| 18:34:47 | kugel | by no way I meant it's not possible |
| 18:35:22 | kugel | linuxstb: I tried to define the width, and I got a list width |
| 18:35:42 | kugel | but, right to the defined width weird things happen |
| 18:37:34 | linuxstb | OK. |
| 18:38:32 | kugel | then I tried to create a new viewport for the right side, couldn't get it to work |
| 18:39:05 | linuxstb | What kind of weird things happened? |
| 18:39:34 | kugel | hard to discribe for a non-english-native |
| 18:39:55 | linuxstb | OK, I need to run anyway... |
| 18:39:58 | kugel | within the width everything was fine, but on the right there was nothing |
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| 18:40:12 | linuxstb | Isn't that correct? |
| 18:40:33 | kugel | with nothing I mean, it looked pretty much messed up |
| 18:40:49 | DerPapst | pixelgarbage? |
| 18:40:58 | DerPapst | maybe make a screendump? |
| 18:41:20 | kugel | it didn't show the backdrop properly, but artifact which looks like a mix of the main menu and the wps |
| 18:41:29 | kugel | and, this issue wasn |
| 18:41:42 | kugel | 't only present in the menus, but also in the wps |
| 18:41:43 | DerPapst | *t |
| 18:41:49 | DerPapst | meh... :-P |
| 18:42:12 | linuxstb | Maybe post a patch somewhere (e.g. pastebin) - it sounds like you're close, and it may well be a bug in my code, in which case I would like to investigate. |
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| 18:42:40 | Buschel | jhMikeS: did the mpegplayer speed up with your rework? i can see +5% for fps |
| 18:42:42 | * | linuxstb back later |
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| 18:43:32 | Buschel | jhMikeS: otherwise this is an effect of my local changes? |
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| 18:44:31 | draeath | Just added a new theme. Check the bottom of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsSansaE200 |
| 18:47:14 | jhMikeS | Buschel: Not sure. Would be good even though I mostly aimed to not slow it down. :) |
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| 18:49:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | draeath: Original's license was CC-SA, so you should be okay. |
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| 18:50:39 | Buschel | jhMikeS: so you didn't test it? |
| 18:50:53 | Buschel | +5% is quite a lot |
| 18:51:46 | draeath | LambdaCalculus37, yea, I checked the licence out. Made sure to credit the author |
| 18:51:48 | jhMikeS | It uses an uncached file buffer on portal player which could help it not evict other code and data |
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| 18:54:45 | jhMikeS | I just never saw a drop on anything. The FPS measurement is taken from the clock start point so it could be that too. |
| 18:55:10 | Buschel | that could explain it |
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| 18:55:37 | DerPapst | Buschel: maybe download a current build and compare it to yours with the same video and settings? |
| 18:55:38 | Buschel | nevertheless, the searching function works nicely :) |
| 18:56:20 | Buschel | DerPapst: maybe I'll do this later this week. I am still busy with testing power consumption stuff |
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| 18:56:30 | jhMikeS | Buschel: the method would bias slightly on the low side however. I suppose time a video externally (stopwatch)? |
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| 18:58:29 | draeath | gotta run, thanks for hooking me up LambdaCalculus37, Domonoky |
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| 18:58:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | draeath: No problem! |
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| 19:04:57 | webguest75 | hello, someone in here who has the AS3514 datasheet? ..because i want do implement the alarm wake up feature for the sansa E200 |
| 19:05:31 | jhMikeS | AS3514 doesn't have a wakeup alarm function |
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| 19:06:43 | webguest75 | the feature overview says - > selectable alarm (seconds or minutes) |
| 19:07:45 | preglow | it probably just sleeps |
| 19:08:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Just looked at my c200... no wakeup alarm. |
| 19:08:05 | * | jhMikeS can look it over again but can't distribute that datasheet |
| 19:09:32 | amiconn | There is no wakeup alarm in the as3514 |
| 19:10:00 | amiconn | The only thing the rtc can do as an 'alarm' is to fire an interrupt, either once per second or once per minute |
| 19:10:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: But as for a real wakeup alarm, there's no such thing. |
| 19:10:55 | webguest75 | is 1 min. the longes periode for the interrupt? ...can a wake-up via interrupt be done? |
| 19:11:06 | amiconn | no |
| 19:11:32 | jhMikeS | yeah, just something almost useless :) It could be used in conjunction with a sleep mode in rockbox and a countdown if that gets implemented. |
| 19:11:46 | amiconn | Interrupts require the cpu to be running, and it's only either 1 int/sec or 1int/min. No other periods. |
| 19:12:38 | webguest75 | if the wake via interrupt can be done than the feature can be implemented... there is no need of a prog. wake-up time... i time periode is all we need |
| 19:13:23 | amiconn | You *can not* wake up a cpu with an interrupt if it's powered down |
| 19:13:23 | webguest75 | to bad... :-( so it is not possible (without wake-up via int) |
| 19:13:42 | jhMikeS | unlike the pcf chips there is not power-on boot function |
| 19:13:53 | jhMikeS | automatic anyway |
| 19:14:21 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Did you try drawing the grey wvs with buffered mode? |
| 19:14:34 | amiconn | With the new greylib I mean of course :) |
| 19:15:37 | jhMikeS | amiconn: not yet but I'll give it a go soon |
| 19:16:03 | * | amiconn also hopes to speed up the greylib further, at least on cf |
| 19:17:29 | amiconn | But first I need a gfx benchmark plugin... |
| 19:17:46 | amiconn | That is, the update speed measurement could be integrated into test_fps |
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| 19:23:07 | gevaerts | Hi. According to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison the decoding speed goes up when the bitrate goes down. Does this also mean that lower bitrate files give a longer battery life ? I'm using a Sansa c250 if that matters. |
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| 19:27:22 | DerPapst | yes. |
| 19:28:20 | DerPapst | you can buffer more songs (not that important on the cs50 though) and the CPU doesn't have to boost so often. |
| 19:28:32 | DerPapst | *c250 |
| 19:28:44 | gevaerts | Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. |
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| 19:29:33 | gevaerts | Also, as a data point : my c250 came in a box that says it supports audible, but it is a v1. |
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| 19:43:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Did you purchase it as a refurb or brand new? |
| 19:44:48 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: It should be new. You never know what happens behind the scenes of course. |
| 19:45:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Because when I purchased my c240, the first one I got didn't mention Audible support, but ended up being a v2. |
| 19:45:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | Luckily the store I got it from accepted it as an exchange... just told them it didn't work. :) |
| 19:46:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | The second one was a v1. |
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| 19:46:43 | gevaerts | I got lucky the first time. |
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| 20:09:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hello, amiconn! |
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| 20:10:33 | faemir | Has there been any recent headway on the zen vision:m rockbox port? |
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| 20:21:25 | bluebrother | hey, any thoughts about adding a warning to ipodpatcher / sansapatcher if it isn't run with admin priviledges? |
| 20:23:16 | bluebrother | (and later extending that to rbutil of course) |
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| 20:26:06 | DerPapst | i'm all for it. |
| 20:26:24 | DerPapst | and maybe a warning to close all programs that might access the ipod |
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| 20:26:47 | DerPapst | incase bl installation goes wrong because of that |
| 20:27:01 | bluebrother | might be good too. I just recently tried to find a way to check if the user has the correct permissions. |
| 20:27:32 | bluebrother | currently I assume PhysicalDrive0 is always present −− and if the user has raw access to the Ipod he has raw access to that drive too |
| 20:28:35 | amiconn | There should be a way to check global privileges |
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| 20:28:47 | amiconn | msdn should have the answer |
| 20:28:50 | bluebrother | btw, has someone a quick idea how to get the group permissions of a file on linux? |
| 20:29:21 | DerPapst | chown? |
| 20:29:38 | bluebrother | heh, right. But I wanted some C call |
| 20:29:56 | DerPapst | :-P |
| 20:29:57 | bluebrother | (and my internet connection is rather expensive, so I'm a bit short on googling myself) |
| 20:29:59 | DerPapst | dunno |
| 20:30:22 | bluebrother | but I could look for the sources of chown ;-) |
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| 20:35:57 | gevaerts | bluebrother: try stat() |
| 20:36:30 | scorche|w | anyone else want a 4 gig sansa for around 63USD shipped abroad? www.woot.com has them for cheap, and if i am going to order others to ship abroad, i might as well nab all orders now |
| 20:37:00 | bluebrother | gevaerts: thanks :) |
| 20:37:37 | DerPapst | scorche|w: heh.. no thANKS ;-) |
| 20:37:47 | DerPapst | meh.. damn caps ^^ |
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| 20:53:24 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: ping |
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| 20:56:46 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: gnip |
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| 20:57:38 | Nico_P | hi! just a quick q: do you remember why you cut the default chunksize down to 16k in buffering.c? |
| 20:57:54 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: more runtime for the codecs |
| 20:58:09 | Nico_P | upping it to 32k seems to solve the playback glitches people are experiencing on ipods |
| 20:58:28 | Nico_P | more runtime? what do you mean? |
| 20:59:12 | jhMikeS | codecs get more chances to process audio |
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| 21:00:09 | Nico_P | yeah but that's a problem at the very start of buffering |
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| 21:00:37 | Nico_P | is there anything serious against setting it back to 32k? |
| 21:00:40 | jhMikeS | because the codec thread is bumped in priority no doubt. |
| 21:01:46 | jhMikeS | All the devices I have did better overall with 16k |
| 21:02:21 | jhMikeS | Which particular devices don't like 16k? |
| 21:02:50 | Nico_P | apparently some ipods... not exactly sure which |
| 21:03:19 | Nico_P | how do you evaluate the improvement? |
| 21:05:48 | jhMikeS | buffering time and relative fullness of both buffers and 16k won out on everything I've got. It's the initial PCM fill where buffering might not run enough. The buffering thread priority could follow the codec one and I suspect that problem would go away without sacrificing anything at other times. |
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| 21:07:02 | Nico_P | yeah, would be nice. how do you suggest doing it? |
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| 21:07:51 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: similar to what's done with voice I suppose. |
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| 21:09:23 | Nico_P | ok, I'll have a look |
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| 21:32:06 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'll have to use greylib font rendering? |
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| 21:32:36 | jhMikeS | I guess there's no portrait grayscale LCDs though |
| 21:35:00 | * | linuxstb commits his viewport changes to the LCD drivers and prays... |
| 21:35:22 | webguest33 | can viewports be uased as a conditional ? i.e. for album art ? |
| 21:36:21 | linuxstb | No |
| 21:36:36 | webguest33 | will it in future ? |
| 21:36:36 | linuxstb | But maybe they should do - it's just not straightforward. |
| 21:37:08 | webguest33 | only workaround I've found is using the margin |
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| 21:37:21 | bluefoxicy | latest rockbox won't boot on my ipod 60GB |
| 21:37:28 | linuxstb | Maybe. I think some way of reusing the album-art space is needed. |
| 21:37:32 | bluefoxicy | also when I hold the play button it says Linux Error: -1 and then loads original firmware |
| 21:37:34 | bluefoxicy | linux? |
| 21:37:51 | linuxstb | Pressing PLAY tells the bootloader to boot an ipodlinux kernel. |
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| 21:38:26 | bluefoxicy | this boots the original firmware though... ? |
| 21:38:32 | linuxstb | bluefoxicy: When did you last update (before today) ? |
| 21:38:40 | bluefoxicy | 5 minutes ago o.o |
| 21:38:47 | bluefoxicy | last version was February 2007 |
| 21:39:10 | JdGordon|w | why would you need to uyse viewports as a conditional? |
| 21:39:25 | amiconn | bluefoxicy: Then you might have an old bootloader |
| 21:39:43 | bluefoxicy | oh great. How do I put on a new bootloader |
| 21:39:47 | webguest33 | if album art isn't present use the whole line |
| 21:39:48 | amiconn | Iirc bootloader changed some time last year in order to support dual core operation |
| 21:40:32 | linuxstb | JdGordon|w: For tracks without album art - to span the space used by the album-art with text. |
| 21:41:00 | JdGordon|w | so you would use the vp in a conditional... but not as the condition |
| 21:41:04 | * | bluefoxicy can't find boot loader stuff on the site |
| 21:41:38 | linuxstb | JdGordon|w: In some way, yes. Or the x/y/width/height could be different based on the %C conditional. |
| 21:41:59 | webguest33 | can that be done at the minute tho ? |
| 21:42:17 | linuxstb | webguest33: No... |
| 21:42:28 | webguest33 | ok thats cleared that up for me |
| 21:42:30 | bluefoxicy | ah, found it. |
| 21:44:03 | * | linuxstb sighs with relief at the build table, now for the deltas... |
| 21:44:11 | JdGordon|w | :) |
| 21:45:02 | bluefoxicy | thanks guys |
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| 21:45:45 | preglow | deltas weren't too bad |
| 21:46:40 | JdGordon|w | yeah, not too bad... wait for the apps/ commits :) |
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| 21:47:15 | bluefoxicy | wtf the backlight turns off immediately @_@ |
| 21:47:28 | JdGordon|w | reset your settings |
| 21:47:37 | bluefoxicy | ah there we go. |
| 21:49:50 | bluefoxicy | I have as of yet failed to figure out how to clear the playlist |
| 21:50:09 | JdGordon|w | hold play |
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| 21:51:15 | * | bluefoxicy reboots |
| 21:52:42 | * | linuxstb wonders why the min2g was so different to the mini1g... |
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| 21:56:07 | * | linuxstb doesn't understand the deltas at all... |
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| 21:57:17 | petur | maybe some aligned buffer that moves to the next block? |
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| 21:57:46 | linuxstb | What number is actually being shown in the table, and how does that relate to the bin/ram figures shown in the title text? |
| 21:57:49 | preglow | linuxstb: alignment? |
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| 21:57:58 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think the table is an average of Bin and RAM |
| 21:58:13 | linuxstb | Really? Why is that useful? |
| 21:58:15 | preglow | oh, that's not alignment |
| 21:58:41 | Llorean | I dunno, I just recall it being said that's how the numbers were chosen. |
| 21:58:51 | petur | hover over the value to see both |
| 21:59:32 | linuxstb | I am, that's what is confusing me... Does RAM include BIN? |
| 21:59:58 | Llorean | I would think it has to. |
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| 22:00:06 | Llorean | Otherwise the values seem even weirder. |
| 22:00:42 | linuxstb | Look at the mini2g though... |
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| 22:02:24 | Llorean | Something must be messed up there. |
| 22:02:38 | Llorean | I mean, if the numbers were independent, the Archos wouldn't have but maybe 500kb of audio buffer |
| 22:02:56 | JdGordon|w | i didnt check the previous commit.. but sometimes the deltas show up one commit too late.. |
| 22:03:31 | linuxstb | That's true... |
| 22:03:55 | linuxstb | Previous commit was just in mpegplayer though. |
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| 22:11:15 | Bagder | JdGordon: right, when builds have failed to link... |
| 22:11:37 | Hans-Martin | jhMikeS: I'm trying to code some audio effects and found flanger.c in ThomJ's files on the net. Looks like a perfect starting point. However, it does not compile with the current rockbox sources. Do you have a newer version? |
| 22:11:53 | preglow | Hans-Martin: i have a newer one |
| 22:12:27 | Hans-Martin | ah, that would be great! I've tried a bit on my own but could get nothing but hang-ups... |
| 22:12:43 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/flanger.c |
| 22:12:54 | preglow | i THINK that works, been a couple of weeks since i tried it, though |
| 22:14:03 | Hans-Martin | oops, I did not mentally associate preglow and thomj - now it makes more sense... |
| 22:14:56 | preglow | well, i don't blame you... |
| 22:15:20 | Nico_P | preglow: that plugin applies effects to sound it gets through the recording code, is that right? |
| 22:15:37 | preglow | Nico_P: aye |
| 22:16:15 | linuxstb | Any reason not to commit it? |
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| 22:16:31 | preglow | linuxstb: no, i was working my way towards that, then christmas came along |
| 22:16:32 | Hans-Martin | well that file flanger.c is the one I tried with the shiny new code (svn update 2007-01-04) and which does not work |
| 22:16:44 | preglow | Hans-Martin: i just updated it |
| 22:17:31 | jhMikeS | the latest version ought to work. the API has stabilized |
| 22:17:49 | preglow | it compiles fine here |
| 22:17:59 | Hans-Martin | ok, I'll try to upgrade my source tree. |
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| 22:19:17 | * | jhMikeS wonders why he's not seeing a WVS :\ |
| 22:19:41 | preglow | WVS? |
| 22:19:52 | Nico_P | preglow: I've had this idea of making a vis plugin, but looking at the oscilloscope and the pcm code made me even mroe confused |
| 22:20:21 | jhMikeS | preglow: While Video Screen/While Viewing Screen :p |
| 22:20:34 | Hans-Martin | preglow: still no luck. CC barfs: flanger.c:181: error: structure has no member named `pcm_set_monitor' |
| 22:20:36 | Nico_P | I'd need more than just peaks and have no idea how to access that kind of data |
| 22:20:37 | jhMikeS | trying greylib buffered mode for it |
| 22:21:02 | preglow | Hans-Martin: well, i don't know what to say, i'm trying a freshly compiled version of it right now, works like a dream |
| 22:21:06 | preglow | Hans-Martin: what target do you use? |
| 22:21:23 | Hans-Martin | iriver 120 |
| 22:21:52 | preglow | same here |
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| 22:22:39 | Hans-Martin | weird. I have to look up the API and see why the function pcm_set_monitor is not exported via pcm |
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| 22:23:19 | jhMikeS | that shouldn't exist now |
| 22:23:48 | preglow | Hans-Martin: you're not using my updated source |
| 22:25:43 | Hans-Martin | weird - you're right, but I thought that I downloaded it just a few minutes ago from the very same location... |
| 22:25:59 | preglow | cache problems? i updated it before i gave you the url |
| 22:26:36 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'm using grey_xxx() functions and then grey_update_rect() so wth is there no drawing showing up? |
| 22:26:38 | markun | I made a patch to support database.unignore http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/unignore.patch |
| 22:26:41 | Hans-Martin | and I downloaded it before you gave me the URL because I found it via google code search :-) Now I have the correct version |
| 22:26:48 | markun | does anyone have an opinion on it? |
| 22:27:18 | jhMikeS | bah...think I spotted the reason. |
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| 22:28:23 | Hans-Martin | preglow: thanks a zillion - it compiles, will put it onto the iriver in a minute or so... |
| 22:29:26 | preglow | i'm "remixing" a track using it and delay send right now, so i'll be kinda surprised if it doesn't work :) |
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| 22:29:29 | Nico_P | markun: what is it for? |
| 22:31:12 | markun | Nico_P: with database.ignore files you can prevent some dirs from being added to the database. With database.unignore you can overrule this and add a subdir somewhere in the ignored tree |
| 22:31:45 | scorche|w | last chance for any devs who want to get in on the 4GB sansa train... |
| 22:32:00 | Nico_P | markun: ah ok I see |
| 22:32:02 | markun | Nico_P: I have a database.ignore in my root and database.unignore in my music folder (it prevents a lot of database.ignore files in many subdirs) |
| 22:32:10 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Forgot to init buffered mode? |
| 22:32:17 | berndl | hi everyone. i am looking to buy a SanDisk Sansa e250 which should be supported by rockbox as I have seen on the frontpage. Amazon lists the model-number of the player as: SDMX4-2048-E70. my question: since for this player only v1 models are supported i want to ask, if one can tell from the model-number if it's a v1 or v2 player? |
| 22:32:22 | Nico_P | scorche|w: what do you mean? |
| 22:32:37 | markun | Nico_P: one drawback is that all dirs are scanned, even if no files in them need to be added |
| 22:32:41 | * | Nico_P is asking a lot of questions lately |
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| 22:33:08 | scorche|w | Nico_P: woot has another sansa up and a few want to use scorche's super shipping service to nab one |
| 22:33:21 | scorche|w | so, last call for anyone else |
| 22:34:14 | * | Nico_P ponders |
| 22:34:41 | markun | a guy at mygigabeat.com offered his F10 for sale because he couldn't get it to work anymore (software problems). I offered to buy it but he had solved his problem by installing a great program called 'rockbox' ;) |
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| 22:36:26 | Hans-Martin | preglow: great - it works! There were some glitches (most likely audio gain too high so that I get clipping) but now I have something to tinker with! |
| 22:37:22 | preglow | i haven't implemented clipping yet :/& |
| 22:37:24 | preglow | it's on the todo list |
| 22:37:29 | preglow | currently it overflows and sounds like shit |
| 22:37:36 | Nico_P | preglow: is it possible to access the raw PCM data in a plugin? |
| 22:37:40 | preglow | Hans-Martin: what kind of effects are you going to code? |
| 22:37:45 | preglow | Nico_P: dunno, doubt it |
| 22:37:47 | Nico_P | the one from playback |
| 22:37:49 | Nico_P | hmm |
| 22:37:53 | jhMikeS | amiconn: no, it's set to true. I forgot to add each part to the dirty rectange but I still have weirdness. I suppose I'll work it out on coldfire first then do the nasty cache handling. |
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| 22:38:45 | amiconn | I'd probably just update the whole wvs rectangle. KISS. |
| 22:40:52 | linuxstb | Bagder: Can you explain what the numbers in the delta table mean? Do you think they look correct for my viewports commit? |
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| 22:41:50 | Bagder | the numbers are bin size and ram size |
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| 22:42:02 | Hans-Martin | preglow: I wanted to build a plug-and-play effect box. Things like delay lines, LFOs, filters, etc that you could combine to yield effects such as flanger/phaser, reverb, wahwah etc |
| 22:42:31 | Bagder | and the log shows bigger numbers now so to me it looks like the math is correct |
| 22:42:38 | KungfuJoe | I've got a quick question for somebody who could answer dev questions for me |
| 22:42:44 | Hans-Martin | preglow: don't know whether the CPU power would support such a thing, however... |
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| 22:43:15 | KungfuJoe | Is it possible to program rockbox in a different programming language (It looked like it was in C)? |
| 22:43:24 | preglow | Hans-Martin: that's exactly what i'm planning :) |
| 22:43:27 | KungfuJoe | I'd like to code it in VC# |
| 22:43:27 | BigBambi | KungfuJoe: why? |
| 22:43:30 | Bagder | KungfuJoe: the quick answer is no |
| 22:43:44 | KungfuJoe | All I'm really proficient in is C# |
| 22:43:46 | Bagder | and VC# is certainly never gonna be possible |
| 22:43:56 | KungfuJoe | Might I ask why? |
| 22:44:05 | preglow | KungfuJoe: c# depends on .net |
| 22:44:10 | KungfuJoe | Ahh, I see |
| 22:44:20 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I have rectangle union functions so that's rather simple anyway. It's the cache stuff. Perhaps I'll try it using uncached buffers which might not even matter. I'd like to be able to allocate _grey_info in any way suitable as well. |
| 22:44:20 | Bagder | VC# is proprietary microsoft stuff |
| 22:44:22 | BigBambi | KungfuJoe: Think about the capabilities of the platform |
| 22:44:22 | preglow | KungfuJoe: and isn't even compiled to machine code straight away, it needs waaaaaaaaaaaay too much runtime |
| 22:44:43 | KungfuJoe | Ok, what language is it in? Was I right about it being C, or is it in C++ |
| 22:44:44 | preglow | Bagder: not really, it's well standardized |
| 22:44:50 | amiconn | _grey_info is private to the greylib... |
| 22:44:54 | BigBambi | KungfuJoe: Mostly c |
| 22:44:54 | Bagder | preglow: VC# ? |
| 22:45:01 | Bagder | you mean C# and .net then |
| 22:45:03 | preglow | Bagder: c#/.net/etc |
| 22:45:03 | BigBambi | with some assembly its for speed |
| 22:45:06 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:45:08 | preglow | which is what vc# is |
| 22:45:11 | Bagder | I spoke of VC# |
| 22:45:12 | KungfuJoe | Visual C#, using Microsoft Visual Studio |
| 22:45:21 | Llorean | V means "with Windows extras" |
| 22:45:30 | KungfuJoe | (which means "yay") |
| 22:45:41 | Bagder | after all we know mono exists and works |
| 22:45:48 | KungfuJoe | So what language does RB use? |
| 22:45:51 | Llorean | KungfuJoe: C |
| 22:45:56 | preglow | Hans-Martin: that is, i'm planning to make something slightly more high-level than that |
| 22:45:58 | Llorean | With hand optimized assembler bits here and there |
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| 22:46:08 | KungfuJoe | Ok, guess I'll have to do some learning if I want to join the party |
| 22:46:09 | BigBambi | <BigBambi> KungfuJoe: Mostly c |
| 22:46:13 | jhMikeS | why can't I use my own allocation? I'd like it as NOCACHEBSS_ATTR and that would simplify everything. |
| 22:46:19 | preglow | Hans-Martin: mainly just an effects rack where you can plug effects in |
| 22:46:26 | KungfuJoe | Thanks for the info guys |
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| 22:46:48 | Hans-Martin | preglow: have you looked at LADSPA? That one deals with 32 bit floats, which we certainly cannot do fast enough, but something similar would be ok |
| 22:47:12 | preglow | Hans-Martin: well, yeah, but i don't want to introduce yet another plugin type to rockbox |
| 22:47:54 | Hans-Martin | preglow: of course, I mainly thought about the standardized signal paths defined by the architecture. |
| 22:48:19 | linuxstb | Bagder: So bin size is the size of rockbox.bin, and ram size is total ram usage (code, data and bss) ? |
| 22:48:36 | preglow | Hans-Martin: i'm first going to rename flanger.c and make it contain more effects, that's for sure, the h120 is quite a powerful little bastard if you use it properly |
| 22:48:39 | Bagder | linuxstb: yes, the ram size is taken from symbols in the map file |
| 22:48:51 | Hans-Martin | the different effects could be compiled into just one effects.rock |
| 22:48:57 | Bagder | basically (end - start) |
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| 22:50:13 | linuxstb | Bagder: Then what about the mini2g - that shows a 972 byte binsize increase, but only a 176 byte ramsize increase... I guess alignment? |
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| 22:52:20 | Bagder | yes, I have no other answer. The numbers are from the rockbox-info.txt files in each zip |
| 22:53:03 | Bagder | "Actual size" is the bin size, "RAM usage" is the ram size in the table |
| 22:53:20 | amiconn | linuxstb: All PP502x targets show rather odd delta values due to the usb stack's buffer being 2KB-aligned |
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| 22:55:01 | linuxstb | OK, I understand. It's annoying though, as it hides the real deltas... |
| 22:55:06 | amiconn | That happens since the usb stack was committed.. strange that you didn't notice it earlier... |
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| 22:55:40 | Bagder | we could possibly add more magic to the scripts to attempt to figure out "free space" within the ram usage |
| 22:56:14 | linuxstb | amiconn: I obviously never paid close attention... |
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| 22:58:04 | * | linuxstb wonders if there would be any advantage to allocating the aligned USB buffers at boot-time. |
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| 23:00:33 | preglow | doubt it |
| 23:00:52 | preglow | you'd just have more code, the losses thanks to alignment will still be there |
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| 23:08:54 | billbeef | hi guys |
| 23:09:05 | billbeef | im havin a bit of a problem with rockbox on my sansa e280 |
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| 23:09:45 | billbeef | it freezes ALOT and for some reason it copies the file name more thn once so in stead of playin a track once it plays it 2+ times |
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| 23:09:47 | Hans-Martin | preglow: I've got a few free days left before work starts, so I could spend a little time on the effects plugin. I'll try to write up some ideas and mail them to you and Mike. (and maybe I've got some time to implement a little, too) |
| 23:09:57 | billbeef | 1 songs has been 'copied' as such 8 times |
| 23:10:08 | billbeef | can anybody help? |
| 23:10:15 | linuxstb | Have you checked your filesystem for errors? |
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| 23:10:21 | billbeef | no |
| 23:10:26 | billbeef | how do you do that |
| 23:10:44 | linuxstb | Are you using Windows? |
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| 23:10:48 | billbeef | yes |
| 23:11:31 | * | linuxstb looks around for a Windows user... |
| 23:11:44 | Llorean | chkdsk /f or -f or something like that? |
| 23:11:55 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I'm not sure I understand. And NOCACHEBSS_ATTR means IRAM. Plugins shouldn't require IRAM just because they're using the greyscale lib. |
| 23:12:23 | billbeef | linux wot do u suggest |
| 23:12:27 | billbeef | how do u find out about errors |
| 23:13:41 | billbeef | ? |
| 23:13:42 | * | stripwax waves to linuxstb .. |
| 23:13:49 | * | stripwax reads logs.. |
| 23:13:50 | Nico_P | billbeef: I think that problem was fixed very recently |
| 23:14:02 | Nico_P | what version are you using? |
| 23:14:02 | billbeef | oh like yesterday or sumthing? |
| 23:14:05 | billbeef | so il update yer |
| 23:14:13 | billbeef | im usin version.... |
| 23:14:17 | Nico_P | today or yesterday, not sure |
| 23:14:23 | billbeef | 080106 |
| 23:14:33 | billbeef | ? |
| 23:14:48 | stripwax | billbeef - that's yesterday |
| 23:15:08 | billbeef | yesterdays update? |
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| 23:15:21 | Nico_P | billbeef: I just checked. the fix was committed today so you should update |
| 23:15:38 | billbeef | ok with the problem where the filename is copied more thn once |
| 23:15:42 | stripwax | Someone was asking about this yesterday too |
| 23:15:46 | billbeef | shud tht be fixed whn i install new software# |
| 23:15:49 | stripwax | yes |
| 23:15:56 | billbeef | ok |
| 23:15:58 | billbeef | il try it |
| 23:15:59 | billbeef | 2 ticks |
| 23:16:09 | preglow | Hans-Martin: sounds good |
| 23:16:16 | stripwax | billbeef - please use real words like "should" and "when" - many of the people on this channel are not native English speakers |
| 23:16:18 | jhMikeS | amiconn: of course it shouldn't require it but it leave no choice in the manner of allocation at all |
| 23:16:19 | dionoea | Bagder: is the http://download.rockbox.org/-/ hardlink to http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ there on prupose? or is that somekind of legacy from a command line typo? |
| 23:16:28 | billbeef | ok sorry |
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| 23:17:03 | jhMikeS | amiconn: still getting black junk with white speckles even on H120. any idea? |
| 23:17:35 | amiconn | Well, since I don't know your code, I don't have an idea |
| 23:17:53 | stripwax | Buschel - (for the logs) - I'm hearing pops and crackles with that latest patch on the 24MHz->80MHz transition (turning on PLL causes lost audio samples perhaps?) |
| 23:17:58 | Bagder | dionoea: must be a typo, I removed it now from the master |
| 23:18:06 | stripwax | added a note to your patch |
| 23:18:06 | amiconn | The buffered drawing functions do work, as you can see by compiling the greyscale test plugin |
| 23:18:45 | amiconn | stripwax: Wouldn't surprise me. |
| 23:18:47 | stripwax | soap - did it work ok for you? I gave it a whirl with several codecs and plugins |
| 23:19:11 | jhMikeS | I just made buffered to true when initializing, the replaced common drawing with grey_xxxx (via the lcd_() macro). Guess I'll keep trying to find some big oops. |
| 23:19:30 | dionoea | Bagder: thanks. I also wanted to know if you planed on keeping all the old builds or if you had something like a 2 month limit |
| 23:19:47 | amiconn | Cold-starting the pll probably needs significantly longer to lock-in than just reprogramming it |
| 23:20:01 | Bagder | dionoea: the master only holds 30 days backlog with builds |
| 23:20:19 | billbeef | yer working fine now guys thank you |
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| 23:20:35 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Any bitmaps involved? Forgot to change some colour constants? |
| 23:20:52 | dionoea | Bagder: hum, my rsync line must be crappy |
| 23:21:00 | * | dionoea runs man rsync |
| 23:21:01 | jhMikeS | constants are check. only bitmap is the status icon |
| 23:21:10 | Bagder | dionoea: I thought −−delete would fix that... |
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| 23:22:17 | dionoea | well looks like it doesn't :/ |
| 23:22:20 | stripwax | amiconn - seems plausible. does the PLL code have just a busy wait loop that keeps checking until the PLL is up? |
| 23:22:38 | amiconn | Not only that, it also stops the other code |
| 23:22:42 | stripwax | yep |
| 23:22:57 | soap | stripwax, buschel (logs) - I had no trouble - only had a chance to play four albums, all MP3 APS - No skipping, even while buffering (I thought you had reported that, stripwax) - and scrolling through a long list in the file browser caused less skipping than my build from a month ago did - though I realize that is not a scientific comparison. |
| 23:22:58 | amiconn | s/code/core/ |
| 23:22:59 | amiconn | (that's necessary according to jhMikeS' tests) |
| 23:23:41 | stripwax | amiconn - it needs to disable all interrupts/fiq's/whatever too? |
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| 23:24:00 | amiconn | fiq is kept running iirc, but irqs are disabled |
| 23:25:02 | stripwax | soap - not really skipping in my case - just what sounds like missed samples. So in a silent period, you won't hear anything, and in a loud passage you'd probably miss it, but somewhere in between you might catch something. if you still have your sine wave test, try that and see if it crackles for you? |
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| 23:25:34 | jhMikeS | we're talking about clock switching? without the delays it's data aborts all the way. All interrupts are disabled during the actual switch and reenabled during the lock. |
| 23:26:07 | soap | ahh - stripwax - I will try that. And you are still getting that behavior? |
| 23:26:29 | stripwax | soap - not 'still' - only with the latest (v6) version |
| 23:27:27 | dionoea | Bagder: ah, looks like there are permission errors on /cygwin/2007-11-21/* which make it skip file deletion |
| 23:28:07 | stripwax | jhMikeS - yep. so dropped samples sounds likely if PLL needs extra time after being re-enabled (which sounds plausible) |
| 23:28:22 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Not sure what lcd() macro you're talking about - the code in svn doesn't seem to use such a macro |
| 23:28:31 | Bagder | dionoea: indeed, me fix |
| 23:28:40 | dionoea | thanks |
| 23:28:52 | stripwax | soap - btw - the audio skipping on initial buffer that I mentioned before is (afaik) unrelated to Buschel's work on power consumption |
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| 23:30:45 | dionoea | Bagder: awesome :) It works |
| 23:30:53 | Bagder | ah, great |
| 23:31:10 | dionoea | 5GB less (not that i needed them ... but still) |
| 23:31:17 | jhMikeS | stripwax: dropped samples? the interrupts are reenabled during the lock loop (I'm not that dense :p). |
| 23:31:41 | stripwax | Hm, turning on the old switch only seems to flip one bit of the DEV_EN registers - I'd have thought there'd be at least two (opto and PLL). Although I've not really read the patch :) |
| 23:31:43 | soap | so, constant sine waves the best way to listen for dropped samples? |
| 23:31:46 | dionoea | Bagder: this was puzzling me http://stats.videolan.org/rrd/1A-disks.optftp.png |
| 23:31:56 | Hans-Martin | bye folks... need some sleep |
| 23:31:57 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it does in video_out_rockbox.c but it hides rb->lcd vs. grey_ when possible. |
| 23:32:10 | Bagder | dionoea: yeah I can see why |
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| 23:32:23 | Bagder | 2007-11-21 that dir was made... |
| 23:32:28 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Isn't it mpegplayer.c whic does the wvs drawing? |
| 23:32:29 | stripwax | jhMikeS - this patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8379 . Dropped samples when transitioning from 24 MHz (with PLL disabled) -> 80 MHz (with PLL enabled) |
| 23:32:30 | dionoea | indeed :) |
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| 23:33:44 | jhMikeS | amiconn: yes, but now I'm switching it to use buffered drawing instead of reinitializing greylib. I now have a WVS though not perfect so I've not tracked down everything yet. |
| 23:33:50 | stripwax | soap - certainly better than white noise :) maybe a low-frequency sweep would be better |
| 23:35:29 | stripwax | or if you use a constant sine and record the output to analyse it after |
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| 23:44:48 | jhMikeS | that's totally wrong to change that. which even core changes the frequency must suspend the other |
| 23:44:55 | jhMikeS | *which ever |
| 23:45:34 | stripwax | jhMikeS - regarding Buschel's patch? |
| 23:45:50 | jhMikeS | all setting of that register must also be follow by a nop since it will also execute the following instruction in the pipeline |
| 23:49:00 | jhMikeS | scale_suspend_core should be left alone. scale_suspend_core(false) must be called before relock loops and I see that's been removed in places too. |
| 23:49:50 | jhMikeS | The PLL_STATUS relock bit never seems to actually get set on PP5024 anyway (only checked that particular one). |
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| 23:52:44 | wisp | hey rockboxers... i have a problem, to which i haven't been able to find any solution: When i go to "database" it asks me to initialize the databse, i click yes, and it then hangs on 0 found. I have rebooted multiple times, and i have checked that all the tags are okay. I've even tried with only a few songs on the ipod, which i know are okay. Any solution available? |
| 23:53:32 | stripwax | jhMikeS - I'll post a link from that patch in the track to this irc log :) |
| 23:55:08 | stripwax | wisp - are you running the current build or a build from yesterday/older? sounds like a bug that was fixed earlier this afternoon. try a current build |
| 23:55:36 | stripwax | ^like^like it migh be related to |
| 23:55:37 | wisp | stripwax, i downloaded the build a couple of hours ago, but i will try a new one |
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| 23:56:34 | jhMikeS | stripwax: those delays also serve as critical sections so one core can complete a section of code without interruption before the other times out. |
| 23:57:00 | stripwax | wisp - interesting, could be a new bug in that case.. will see if I can reproduce |
| 23:57:08 | * | soap is embarrassed his tin ear didn't pick up the missing sample. |
| 23:57:20 | stripwax | soap - ah, you hear (/see?) it too? |
| 23:57:32 | soap | I haven't tried yet with sines. |
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