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| 00:01:24 | wisp | stripwax, just put the latest on there.. still hangs on 0 found.. :/ |
| 00:01:55 | SmallR2002 | does rockbox support the sansa e280R? |
| 00:02:16 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:02:28 | SmallR2002 | right, thought so, wanted confirmation ;) |
| 00:02:51 | SmallR2002 | couldn't see an actual list of supported models |
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| 00:03:02 | Bagder | SmallR2002: check the rockbox.org front page |
| 00:03:26 | SmallR2002 | e200R series, wasn't sure if the 280 was specifically supported ;) |
| 00:03:41 | Bagder | ah well |
| 00:03:51 | Bagder | the e200R series are all e2x0R players |
| 00:04:13 | SmallR2002 | i thought that was probably the case but didn't want to risk it ;) |
| 00:04:42 | * | JdGordon|w wonders how people keep missing or misunderstanding the supported targets listing |
| 00:05:09 | stripwax | listing them all? |
| 00:05:59 | Nico_P | linuxstb: what are the WPS code optimisations you included in your latest viewports patch? |
| 00:06:51 | linuxstb | Just using some loops instead of repeating code in the parse_viewport() function. |
| 00:07:13 | Nico_P | ah, so they're not in the preexisting code? |
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| 00:07:38 | linuxstb | No - optimisations in my patch... |
| 00:07:45 | Nico_P | ok |
| 00:07:47 | SmallR2002 | JdGordon|w, maybe a big list of all all supported players and models might be needed? |
| 00:07:50 | Buschel | hi, just read the logs. you hear and see some flaws? |
| 00:07:59 | SmallR2002 | for stupid people like me ;) |
| 00:08:32 | Llorean | Bagder: We could make ever "series'" link go to a small wiki page describing that series. |
| 00:08:46 | Bagder | true... |
| 00:08:57 | Llorean | Bagder: For example, H100 series could then go on to list the H110, 115, 120, and 140, and even include the differences between the two groups of them. |
| 00:09:01 | stripwax | Buschel - hear |
| 00:09:39 | Nico_P | Llorean: maybe a small table could be displayed as a summary |
| 00:09:41 | SmallR2002 | nice idea |
| 00:10:05 | SmallR2002 | possibly list optimum video encodings and stuff too? |
| 00:10:27 | stripwax | Quick dumb question - why doesn't Cabbie use the full screen width (especially on small-screen targets such as nano 1g) |
| 00:10:36 | Llorean | SmallR2002: There's already a page for that. |
| 00:11:07 | SmallR2002 | yeah, i mean, linked with it |
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| 00:11:41 | Buschel | gotta create a sinewave and test it. tomorrow :o) |
| 00:11:45 | Buschel | good night! |
| 00:11:48 | stripwax | :) night |
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| 00:12:18 | * | stripwax hopes Buschel reads the rest of the logs, esp. jhMike's bits :) |
| 00:12:31 | Llorean | SmallR2002: There are already all kinds of pages for each target. I was just talking about very simple pages to answer the "Is the player in my hand actually one of these players" question |
| 00:13:08 | SmallR2002 | /nod |
| 00:13:10 | SmallR2002 | fair enough |
| 00:13:56 | pixelma | Llorean: maybe put that on the IdentifyPlayer page? ;) |
| 00:14:05 | amiconn | wow |
| 00:14:23 | * | amiconn didn't hink the greylib would be *that* much faster than the old graylib |
| 00:14:52 | amiconn | 16.2fps on recv1 (vs. ~4fps of the old lib) - even though the new isr sucks 71% cpu power |
| 00:15:15 | * | Domonoky codes again at voice generation in rbutil, and i have to use wavtrim and voicefont in rbutil, but i am unsure how to integrate them.. |
| 00:15:21 | SmallR2002 | i'm getting a 404, http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200r-patcher/e200rpatcher.linux |
| 00:15:32 | Llorean | pixelma: Yes, finishing that page and then linking the models in the table to the right sections of that page does sound like a good idea. :) |
| 00:16:08 | stripwax | SmallR2002 - works for me |
| 00:16:13 | SmallR2002 | weird |
| 00:16:13 | pixelma | yes, if that page has more information I want to link it in the manual |
| 00:16:52 | pixelma | *from (?) |
| 00:17:14 | SmallR2002 | wget got it |
| 00:19:19 | preglow | Domonoky: cool! |
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| 00:21:17 | Domonoky | preglow: i need to seperate the wavtrim and voicefont files, so that the main of these are in seperate files.. then i could build a lib and link it to rbutil, or just directy link it... |
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| 00:22:12 | Domonoky | but i am unsure if i should just create a wavtrim_main.c and voicefont_main.c file, or if i should do it another way.. |
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| 00:34:48 | stripwax | wisp - are you sure it *hangs* for you? I've just tried the latest build and while it stays on 0 for a short while, it definitely gets going after several seconds |
| 00:36:03 | stripwax | and I suspect it could start off initialise very slowly if you're buffering audio at the same time |
| 00:36:11 | stripwax | ^initialising |
| 00:36:29 | cg | uh, i misfiled FS #8428 under bugs, it should be under patches. can someone fix this if it matters? |
| 00:36:50 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Couldn't you just do #ifndef RBUTIL (or similar) around the main() functions? |
| 00:36:59 | Domonoky | linuxstb: true.. |
| 00:37:54 | linuxstb | cg: I'll fix... |
| 00:38:09 | stripwax | Nico_P - did you have any thoughts on sliding_puzzle yet |
| 00:38:43 | Nico_P | stripwax: no sorry, I still need to review it. I have more time nowthough |
| 00:39:05 | stripwax | ok, thanks |
| 00:39:14 | cg | linuxstb: thanks |
| 00:39:17 | linuxstb | cg: Remind me, what does SELECT currently do, anything? |
| 00:39:21 | SmallR2002 | i've found a typo |
| 00:39:24 | SmallR2002 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallationFromLinux |
| 00:39:31 | SmallR2002 | Copy a recent e200 build of Rockbox onto the root of your device (cp .rockbox/ mnt/) |
| 00:39:37 | SmallR2002 | that should be cp -R shouldn't it? |
| 00:39:50 | cg | linuxstb: its alternative toggle |
| 00:40:04 | linuxstb | SmallR2002: If you register for the wiki, you can fix things like that yourself. |
| 00:40:21 | SmallR2002 | /sigh @ yet another registration |
| 00:40:29 | cg | useless, mostly, since the right button is actual toggle |
| 00:41:56 | JdGordon|w | linuxstb: hey, did you do anything about the line height? |
| 00:42:25 | linuxstb | JdGordon|w: No - I want to get the existing features working well first, without adding more.... |
| 00:42:33 | JdGordon|w | ok :) |
| 00:42:47 | JdGordon|w | ill see about adding them tonight then |
| 00:42:52 | linuxstb | But I guess now that it's committed, you could add it - assuming others don't object... |
| 00:43:08 | Nico_P | JdGordon|w: line heights? |
| 00:43:27 | JdGordon|w | it was your idea origianlly wasnt it? |
| 00:43:40 | Nico_P | I posted a patch for it yeah |
| 00:43:57 | linuxstb | I've had two thoughts about a line-height: 1) What about alignment - do we always center-align?; 2) What about the highlight bar - is that always going to be line-height in size? (I think yes to both questions...) |
| 00:44:02 | * | JdGordon|w will check that patch when im alowd to look at code :p |
| 00:44:26 | Nico_P | JdGordon|w: what do you want to do? make a viewports version? |
| 00:44:39 | JdGordon|w | alignment, I was going to use the top 2 bits to specify top, centre or bottom |
| 00:44:41 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I agree with yes to both |
| 00:44:49 | JdGordon|w | higlight should be full size though |
| 00:44:59 | JdGordon|w | bugger... or choosable |
| 00:46:26 | linuxstb | The %V tag seems to be getting very long... |
| 00:46:43 | JdGordon|w | doesnt worry me :) |
| 00:47:51 | linuxstb | It also increases the size of the viewport structs... I was wondering if those gradient colours need to be in the viewport struct, or if we just make them global. |
| 00:48:01 | JdGordon|w | is a max line height of 32 big enough? |
| 00:48:07 | stripwax | wisp - for what it's worth, my database initialisation took around ten-fifteen minutes with about 10,000 tracks. |
| 00:48:20 | linuxstb | JdGordon|w: You want to make the alignment configurable? |
| 00:48:22 | JdGordon|w | if 32 is enough then we can do the whole thing in 1 char |
| 00:48:32 | JdGordon|w | yeah |
| 00:48:35 | * | stripwax notices wisp is no longer online.. |
| 00:48:40 | amiconn | Using a char often bloats the code more than using an int |
| 00:48:47 | linuxstb | Why? When wouldn't you want to center-align? |
| 00:49:07 | JdGordon|w | I dunno... but sounds silly to not allow the possibility |
| 00:49:26 | linuxstb | I disagree, it's more silly to implement unneeded features... |
| 00:49:37 | linuxstb | We can always add it later if there's a need. |
| 00:50:06 | JdGordon|w | well, considering its probably more code to align centre than top or bottom, the extra code to do all 3 would be minimal |
| 00:50:37 | amiconn | I don't even see the need for line height, but if it's needed/wanted, I'd always bottom align |
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| 00:51:22 | JdGordon|w | amiconn: the origioanl idea was for wps which usualy use a large font but people want a smaller font without breaking the wps |
| 00:51:45 | JdGordon|w | but this would allow using big fonts with small text, and other fun stuff |
| 00:52:06 | amiconn | s/fun/unnecessary/ </opinion> |
| 00:52:19 | JdGordon|w | not disagreeing with you there |
| 00:54:32 | JdGordon|w | the fancy wps system is unnecessary also... but its there |
| 00:54:41 | Nico_P | the main techincal issue I ran in was scrolling. I guess that's solved now |
| 00:54:46 | Bagder | linuxstb: btw, shotofadds is another Londoner... |
| 00:54:53 | JdGordon|w | oh no! |
| 00:55:12 | linuxstb | Hurray, GodEater and I may have company for beer... |
| 00:55:20 | Bagder | :-) |
| 00:56:23 | linuxstb | amiconn: Why bottom-align? Won't that look odd when the line is highlighted in a list? |
| 00:56:47 | amiconn | I thought that was for wps only? |
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| 00:56:59 | amiconn | Nm, I really can't see any use in line height |
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| 00:57:08 | amiconn | It would just waste precious screen space |
| 00:57:13 | linuxstb | I think JdGordon wants it to allow icons and fonts of different sizes. |
| 00:57:31 | linuxstb | On many targets, screen space isn't precious any more... |
| 00:57:38 | amiconn | huh? |
| 00:57:45 | amiconn | Do we have an XGA+ target? |
| 00:58:07 | Nico_P | it isn't as precious as it used to be |
| 00:58:08 | amiconn | (ok, exaggerating a little) |
| 00:58:13 | linuxstb | The Gigabeat for example. |
| 00:58:28 | JdGordon|w | or the e200 even |
| 00:58:48 | linuxstb | I probably exaggerate as well - on _some_ targets, it's less precious. |
| 00:58:54 | Nico_P | yeah line height is most useful on those two |
| 00:58:59 | stripwax | What is the file .rockbox/.database.ignore for ? |
| 00:59:11 | JdGordon|w | so the databes ignores the folder |
| 00:59:21 | stripwax | oh, hah. right! |
| 00:59:33 | amiconn | e200 screen height is less than the video's... and I wouldn't use extra line spacing on the video. I'd rather use a larger font... |
| 00:59:36 | JdGordon|w | its a cryptic name isnt it :p |
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| 01:00:07 | * | JdGordon|w bangs head on wall |
| 01:00:23 | webguest67 | Where can I find a list of supported codecs? |
| 01:00:26 | JdGordon|w | just because you find it pointless... doesnt mean everyone does |
| 01:00:51 | JdGordon|w | webguest67: SupportedCodecs in the wiki |
| 01:01:06 | stripwax | 'night |
| 01:01:15 | * | JdGordon|w hopes he got that one right :p |
| 01:01:17 | * | JdGordon|w hopes he got that one right :p |
| 01:01:19 | JdGordon|w | arg |
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| 01:02:28 | webguest67 | Um.. I cant find it.... anybody got a url? |
| 01:02:59 | scorche|w | webguest67: how did you try searching for it? |
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| 01:03:28 | webguest67 | ging to the wiki and searching through the topics. |
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| 01:03:37 | webguest67 | going |
| 01:03:39 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SoundCodecs |
| 01:03:46 | Nico_P | JdGordon|w: FS #7033 |
| 01:03:48 | webguest67 | thanks!! |
| 01:03:52 | | Quit webguest67 (Client Quit) |
| 01:04:20 | scorche|w | webguest67: for future reference, for quick access to a wikipage, you can just type the name in the little field in the top of the wiki pages |
| 01:04:24 | scorche|w | bah |
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| 01:05:12 | Bagder | well, he got the wrong name suggested |
| 01:05:49 | scorche|w | true, but even if he got the right one suggested, he wouldnt have founf it via his current search method |
| 01:05:57 | Bagder | right |
| 01:05:59 | * | JdGordon|w wasnt so far off |
| 01:06:13 | * | Bagder hits his bed |
| 01:06:37 | JdGordon|w | Nico_P: k cool, ill check it later |
| 01:06:37 | * | scorche|w calls domestic abuse to Bagder's house |
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| 01:33:18 | SmallR2002 | any level of audiobook support yet? |
| 01:34:04 | Llorean | That's a rather vague question. |
| 01:34:11 | markun | what kind of support? audible files? chapters? |
| 01:34:50 | * | markun listens to audiobooks all the time in rockbox |
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| 01:52:49 | codin | hi |
| 01:53:17 | codin | how can I install a theme on rockbox ? |
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| 01:55:53 | linuxstb | You just extract the zip file to the root of your device - the same way you would install a rockbox.zip file (if you install manually) |
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| 02:01:40 | codin | I did that, but it does not load everything as in the screenshot |
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| 02:09:57 | linuxstb | codin: Then you're probably trying to use a theme which requires an unofficial version of Rockbox. |
| 02:10:15 | linuxstb | The place you downloaded the theme from should state its requirements. |
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| 02:21:38 | codin | linuxstb, I'm trying to load the iRock v2 theme from the Rockbox website |
| 02:22:28 | codin | I've moved the files under the .rockbox directory on the root of the ipod, but still it does not load all the icons and images |
| 02:23:04 | linuxstb | You shouldn't move anything - the zip file should contain the correct folder structure. |
| 02:23:52 | codin | now I have the theme in the menu, but does not look as it should |
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| 02:30:44 | linuxstb | codin: Where exactly did you download it from? |
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| 02:36:13 | codin | http://wps.abondar.de/download.php?id=65 |
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| 03:03:36 | SmallR2002 | markun, chapters and bookmarks |
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| 03:13:53 | Llorean | SmallR2002: We already support bookmarks, but the only chapter support we have is by way of cuesheets. |
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| 03:21:58 | saratoga | I measured the PP5024 PLL current at ~30uA, which might as well be zero |
| 03:22:02 | Llorean | saratoga: So the PLL is essentially negligible? |
| 03:22:09 | saratoga | i was under the impression the things needed mA worth |
| 03:22:21 | Llorean | Shoot, you answered right before I asked. Heh |
| 03:22:22 | saratoga | assuming it was actually disabled, yeah |
| 03:22:35 | saratoga | though i have to wonder if maybe it didn't get disabled |
| 03:22:56 | saratoga | google turns up some random motorolla dsp that claims a couple ma for it's PLL at similar clock speed |
| 03:22:58 | Llorean | Is there any good way to test? |
| 03:23:16 | saratoga | you'd have to ask someone else i don't really understand how a PLL works |
| 03:23:58 | Llorean | amiconn: Any idea? |
| 03:25:13 | saratoga | on the upside, if buschel really can get mpc to decode at 24MHz, then he'd get about 22 hours out of my sansa |
| 03:25:25 | saratoga | minus whatever power the DAC drains i guess |
| 03:26:18 | Llorean | Well I mean even if it boosts a little, won't it still be pretty good? |
| 03:27:15 | saratoga | yeah i think we're pretty close to what sandisk claims |
| 03:27:47 | saratoga | my guess is they run at about 30MHz for mp3 and probably save a little bit of power somewhere else |
| 03:28:05 | saratoga | that or their codec is really good and runs at 24MHz and they don't save power anywhere else |
| 03:28:50 | saratoga | damn it i should have mettered the retail firmware while i had it taken apart |
| 03:28:52 | Llorean | Well our MP3 codec on Coldfire runs at 24 doesn't it? |
| 03:28:58 | saratoga | could have settled it |
| 03:29:18 | saratoga | the coldfire one runs insanely fast, but thats mostly the EMAC i think |
| 03:29:23 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 03:29:32 | saratoga | multiplies on ARM7 are very, very slow |
| 03:29:41 | saratoga | so we'll never do anywhere near as good |
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| 03:30:30 | saratoga | anyway, hope buschel can confirm the PLL was disabled, and if not, give me new code to test |
| 03:30:36 | Llorean | Would you say the codecs are roughly about equally optimized then? I mean, I know you can't really objectively say either way, but would you say they're both somewhat polished by this point, or is there still a decent amount more to be gained on ARM. |
| 03:31:11 | saratoga | theres comercial codecs that claim all sorts of crazy numbers for ARM |
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| 03:31:25 | saratoga | if they're true then we could in theory do a lot better, but i don't know what kind of assumptions they make |
| 03:32:03 | saratoga | i think mp3 is pretty well optimized, with ogg and wma good too, but i don't doubt theres room for improvement in all of them |
| 03:32:07 | saratoga | i know there is in wma |
| 03:33:52 | Llorean | It'd be nice to see much lower boost ratios with MP3. |
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| 03:34:29 | saratoga | yeah mp3 would be great |
| 03:34:47 | saratoga | i tried profiling it a while back but i can't get it to work in rockbox, and i don't have an arm-linux system to work on |
| 03:35:42 | saratoga | also, i see sandisk just uped the View capacity to 32 GB |
| 03:36:01 | saratoga | i wonder how many more HD players will get for rockbox |
| 03:36:33 | Llorean | HDs seem relegated to PMPs these days |
| 03:37:38 | krazykit | so we need people with PMPs to get interested in rockbox ;-) |
| 03:38:40 | Llorean | Like the recent Archos exploit? |
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| 03:43:00 | crzyboyster | What are the next steps in making Cabbie 2.0 the default theme? |
| 03:43:47 | psycho_maniac | renaming the files, unless that is completed? |
| 03:44:16 | crzyboyster | We're done with all of the renaming... |
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| 03:45:26 | crzyboyster | Except for the archos port. pixelma said that he's going to be renaming and updating it, but he hasn't yet |
| 03:45:36 | Llorean | Pixelma's a she, just for future reference. :) |
| 03:45:49 | Llorean | I do believe we still need some code support for non-compiled-in default themes. |
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| 03:46:59 | psycho_maniac | crzyboyster: did somebody change the thickness of the progress bar on the gigabeat? |
| 03:47:22 | crzyboyster | Llorean: I didn't know that, sorry! And what exactly do you mean by "some code support for non-compiled-in default themes"? |
| 03:48:31 | crzyboyster | psycho_maniac: Yes, that's been done. Take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsGigabeatF/cabbie2AA.png |
| 03:49:24 | psycho_maniac | I am looking at them. on the DefaultTheme page it looks as there are two different progress bars. that is probably a old screendumb |
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| 03:49:31 | psycho_maniac | damnit i ment dump |
| 03:49:33 | Llorean | crzyboyster: I mean that right now, the current default theme is actually compiled into Rockbox. I think the new default is not supposed to be compiled in, but rather still just a file on disk (makes it easier for people to read and learn from it), so there needs to be some code changes to make this work right |
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| 03:51:44 | crzyboyster | Llorean: I came upon this (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6568) and thought that this was it |
| 03:52:03 | crzyboyster | Sorry, make it http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6568 |
| 03:52:38 | psycho_maniac | thats the same link |
| 03:53:08 | Llorean | crzyboyster: That is it, but the patch needs to be tested and committed. |
| 03:53:13 | crzyboyster | Yeah, except clicking on the first one doesn't work properly (try it out!) |
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| 03:53:54 | psycho_maniac | it did work for me :) |
| 03:53:57 | crzyboyster | And would I also need to make all of the ports into one zip and then take screenshots for all of them? |
| 03:54:20 | psycho_maniac | why do you need to take screenshots of them all? they are all ready screenshots on the wiki |
| 03:54:24 | crzyboyster | as per http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SubmitWPS |
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| 04:01:26 | psycho_maniac | crzyboyster: just follow the exact instructions of that wiki page and you shouldnt have any problems |
| 04:01:49 | crzyboyster | I'm back |
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| 04:02:16 | psycho_maniac | that was weird. i sent that message for you to see in the logs but you poped in just before i sent it |
| 04:03:06 | crzyboyster | Honestly, I don't know much about IRC. I just use it for faster communication |
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| 04:04:24 | crzyboyster | Llorean: I have a quick question: This theme is about 700 kb zipped up for almost all targets. This will affect the bandwith on this site and space it takes up, correct? |
| 04:05:00 | crzyboyster | Actually, I take that back, that's with a psd file in some of them |
| 04:06:06 | Llorean | The size is mostly irrelevant in the end, as long as the WPS loads properly in Rockbox its small enough |
| 04:06:45 | crzyboyster | That shouldn't be a problem for most ports, right? |
| 04:07:41 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 04:08:32 | crzyboyster | Llorean: Yet another (almost unrelated question): Will I recieve an Artist badge or get my name in the credits for this? |
| 04:08:50 | crzyboyster | I though that I should just pop that question in :D |
| 04:09:11 | psycho_maniac | you get them if you made a wps with images and such. |
| 04:09:35 | psycho_maniac | you get an "artist" badge if you made a wps with images....just to clarify |
| 04:10:09 | crzyboyster | I know... |
| 04:10:19 | Llorean | crzyboyster: We're reconsidering the Artist Badge right now. |
| 04:11:10 | Llorean | Specifically, we're thinking of changing to "Those who've created bitmaps used in SVN Rockbox." This would mean the people who've done plugin art, WPS art, etc, as long as they created the image (scaling may or may not count) , etc. |
| 04:11:13 | Llorean | But this hasn't happened yet. |
| 04:11:27 | Soap_ | so why do we have different "targets" for H120/140 and H110 based on memory and one "target" for the iPod videos? |
| 04:11:35 | Llorean | So some people may be losing Artist badges, but I'm going to be replacing it with something a bit more clear that it's a "Community" badge rather than a "Direct Contributor" badge |
| 04:11:50 | Llorean | Soap_: Don't we have a 64mb build for iPod Videos? |
| 04:11:54 | crzyboyster | Still a badge, nonetheless |
| 04:12:38 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 04:12:39 | Soap_ | no, we have one "target" and then you select the memory (32 or 64) |
| 04:12:45 | Llorean | Ah, right |
| 04:12:55 | Llorean | That I don't know |
| 04:12:57 | Llorean | crzyboyster: True. |
| 04:13:33 | crzyboyster | Llorean: Can I still recieve an Artist badge for making a completely original WPS and get my name in the credits for the Hindi translation? |
| 04:13:45 | crzyboyster | (I'm just trying to leave my mark here!) |
| 04:13:57 | Llorean | I believe the answer to both those is "Yes" |
| 04:14:11 | Llorean | Though your artist badge might be stripped to be replaced with the community version later, of course |
| 04:14:11 | psycho_maniac | crzyboyster: your not really supposed to ask for them |
| 04:14:34 | crzyboyster | I know. I've just always wanted those... |
| 04:14:34 | Llorean | psycho_maniac: You are with the artist badge. |
| 04:14:42 | psycho_maniac | What is involved with a community badge? |
| 04:14:47 | Llorean | In fact, there's specific, exact directions for when and how to ask for it, I think |
| 04:14:52 | Llorean | psycho_maniac: Dunno, haven't defined them yet. |
| 04:15:30 | Llorean | But what I wanted to do was have a more clear separation between "People who have stuff in SVN", "Staff, including Developers", and "People who've contributed to the community" (wps designers, people who wrote utilities like the Album Art downloader, etc) |
| 04:15:54 | crzyboyster | Actually, in the forum topic it says "Badges you may apply for" and lists the artist badge below it |
| 04:16:02 | psycho_maniac | Llorean: I only know your not supposed to ask for them in the topic on the forums. never really read when and how to ask for them. |
| 04:16:10 | crzyboyster | I'm not applying, though! (not yet!) |
| 04:16:19 | psycho_maniac | Id rather get a community badge as im not really an artist. |
| 04:16:23 | Llorean | psycho_maniac: Most of the badges are "assigned", but the Artist badge simply requires a forum PM to me with certain details |
| 04:20:08 | crzyboyster | How exactly do lang files work? Like when there is an update to the default (english) translation (like a new string), all the others would have to be brought up to date as well, correct? |
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| 04:22:34 | Llorean | Yes |
| 04:22:50 | Llorean | They'll work without being updated, but they'll just show the English string if the language on is missing |
| 04:24:37 | crzyboyster | I see... |
| 04:24:40 | crzyboyster | another thing, say we go to http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/lang/espanol.lang (spanish lang file) and look at the modified strings. Which ones do you modify exactly? I know the strings are the ones in the "quotes", but some strings are changed in certain areas and some aren't... How does that work? |
| 04:25:22 | Llorean | You just change dest and maybe voice strings |
| 04:26:30 | crzyboyster | So, you change dest for all of them, right (or as many as possible) and change voice when it says something like " desc: spoken only"? |
| 04:27:02 | Llorean | Well, voice should be changed ONLY if there's a TTS engine that speaks that language |
| 04:28:51 | Llorean | Otherwise, if the engine's not going to be able to parse or pronounce it anyway, it's better to leave it English. |
| 04:29:21 | crzyboyster | Hmm... besides, how would a TTS know how to pronounce hindi? I poked around google and found http://blogs.msdn.com/texttospeech/archive/2005/12/13/503301.aspx is that any good? |
| 04:29:46 | crzyboyster | I have to go... |
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| 04:32:24 | sctinman | Hey guys, I should probably introduce myself already (probably should have an hour ago =P). Been using rockbox for a the past few months, and I've decided to start contributing |
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| 04:33:23 | sctinman | thought if I was going to I should probably start coming on here too |
| 04:34:35 | psycho_maniac | great to hear |
| 04:35:26 | sctinman | looking forward to it =] |
| 04:37:45 | sctinman | also, I was wondering if I could get write permission for the wiki. I made an account already, there's just a part I want to update |
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| 04:53:04 | Soap_ | slow on the heels of linuxstb's recent viewport commit and subsequent reworking of the viewports flyspray task, fresh viewports builds are up for testing @ http://viewports.cleansoap.org |
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| 04:55:38 | psycho_maniac | soap: are those sim builds or regular player builds? |
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| 04:59:23 | soap | Normal builds |
| 04:59:26 | soap | rasher builds the sims |
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| 05:00:28 | soap | though - I think rasher is one commit behind |
| 05:01:48 | soap | yes, he is one viewports commit behind |
| 05:03:12 | psycho_maniac | will you notice a difference in this build compared to the current build from svn? |
| 05:03:30 | soap | hopefully not. ;) |
| 05:03:57 | soap | except it has the WPS viewport features added. |
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| 06:18:07 | duvnell | how can I reinitialize the whole db? I just changed out all the music on this player |
| 06:18:29 | duvnell | should I just delete some dir that contains all the data and reboot? |
| 06:18:31 | JdGordon | hold select on the database and go iitialise now |
| 06:18:57 | duvnell | ah cool |
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| 06:19:54 | duvnell | wrked |
| 06:20:34 | duvnell | any reason I don't see the Music dir on this H10 under the Files dir? |
| 06:20:42 | duvnell | Music is in the root |
| 06:20:48 | JdGordon | the OF marked it as hidden |
| 06:22:22 | duvnell | k trying to unmark |
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| 06:34:47 | duvnell | playlist question... |
| 06:35:24 | duvnell | my wife is in the car.. sometimes with the kids and sometimes not.. and sometimes it just me.. so I'd like to create 3 playlists named "kids", "mom" and "dad" or somethind like that |
| 06:35:35 | duvnell | no on-the-fly stuff. .just simple named playlist with tracks added/removed |
| 06:35:38 | duvnell | is that possible? |
| 06:35:56 | duvnell | I find this functionality not obviously displayed anywhere |
| 06:36:02 | duvnell | but it could just be me |
| 06:37:45 | scorche | duvnell: rockbox supports m3u playlists |
| 06:38:05 | scorche | many many programs can make these and you can save them from the device as well |
| 06:38:12 | duvnell | cool |
| 06:38:30 | duvnell | so.. I'm trying to get to the manual, but am having trouble |
| 06:39:03 | duvnell | is it a concept that there is the "current" playlist.. and to add something to it, you browse to it (either files or via db) and select "Insert" |
| 06:39:15 | duvnell | then do I have to go back to the playlists menu and "save" or is that implicitly done? |
| 06:40:03 | duvnell | the manual section on playlists for the H10 is stated as "half-written" in the manuel itself |
| 06:41:32 | duvnell | the manual is explaining it now.. I may come back with more specific ?s.. thx |
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| 06:44:37 | duvnell | "The Playlist catalog makes it possible to modify and create playlists that are not currently playing. To do this select Playlist catalog in the File Menu." |
| 06:44:43 | duvnell | I don't see that option in my menu |
| 06:44:51 | duvnell | or I'm in teh wrong menu |
| 06:45:04 | JdGordon | ok, where the heck do I start converting the gui to using viewports? |
| 06:46:16 | JdGordon | AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGG |
| 06:48:31 | krazykit | sounds like JdGordon needs some Liquid Programming (beer) |
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| 06:48:50 | duvnell | (foudn the playlist catelog.. have to hold select on an actual file) |
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| 07:29:03 | JdGordon | FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!! |
| 07:29:29 | JdGordon | converting the list is going to be a freeking rewrite almost :'( |
| 07:31:53 | ptw419 | cool... |
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| 07:32:05 | ptw419 | i think i've discovered some very interesting things |
| 07:32:07 | DerPapst | morning :-) |
| 07:32:14 | ptw419 | the initial dump I got from the S was from the ROM |
| 07:32:31 | ptw419 | but now I got the start up code from flash |
| 07:32:49 | ptw419 | at boot 0x0, the S does b 0xA0000000 |
| 07:33:05 | ptw419 | then, b 0x1000(0xA0001000) |
| 07:33:15 | ptw419 | and then the fun stuff starts |
| 07:33:39 | ptw419 | mrs r0,CPSR |
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| 07:35:54 | JdGordon | can anyone think of anything that the current lists can do that isnt in this list? http://rafb.net/p/UVycZY49.html |
| 07:36:21 | ptw419 | interupts enabled at 0xA0000018 |
| 07:41:23 | ptw419 | i think it may be possible to flash the S and replace the initial boot of the OF |
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| 07:43:17 | baltazar | hey |
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| 07:47:57 | baltazar | rtertehs |
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| 08:01:39 | duvnell | is there a quick shortcut to view the current playlist while in the WPS ? |
| 08:02:07 | rvvs89 | Err, press centre button briefly? |
| 08:02:28 | rvvs89 | Bah, sorry |
| 08:02:35 | rvvs89 | Press select/action button briefly |
| 08:03:24 | duvnell | then down, then view playlist |
| 08:03:30 | duvnell | not exactly as fast as I would like |
| 08:03:32 | duvnell | but that's okay |
| 08:03:59 | duvnell | that's a lot of clicks to get back to a listing if I were looking for a particular track within the listing |
| 08:04:28 | rvvs89 | Hmm, pressing it for < 0.5 seconds takes you directly there on the iPod build |
| 08:04:42 | duvnell | that would be nice |
| 08:04:46 | duvnell | doesn't do anything on a short press |
| 08:05:13 | duvnell | this is H10 |
| 08:05:45 | duvnell | will need to implement that |
| 08:05:45 | Llorean | rvvs89: It's not taking you to the playlist |
| 08:05:53 | Llorean | It's taking you to wherever you launched the WPS from |
| 08:06:14 | Llorean | Which is often a folder or database filter, in which case it'll often be identical in contents to the playlist. |
| 08:06:28 | duvnell | yeah I was thinking that would work for file browsing |
| 08:06:34 | duvnell | since it would jump back |
| 08:06:47 | duvnell | but I've played an m3u file.. but would like to quickly see a listing of it |
| 08:07:03 | Llorean | There is no button for this. |
| 08:07:19 | duvnell | does it support the extended m3u format? where the comments can contain the track info to show in the playlist entry? |
| 08:07:25 | Llorean | No. |
| 08:07:26 | duvnell | my ogg tags are screwed |
| 08:07:30 | duvnell | hrm |
| 08:07:40 | ptw419 | OF initial TTB setup is at 0x8003C000 |
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| 08:13:11 | PaulJam | hi, i'm getting an "I04: Illinstr at 00000002" with the most recent h300 build immediately after the bootloader. does someone else get that too? |
| 08:13:34 | Llorean | PaulJam: Have you resetted settings? |
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| 08:14:11 | philibuster | I'm getting that with the X5 as well |
| 08:14:21 | philibuster | (the error, I mean) |
| 08:14:22 | PaulJam | it happens before i can reset |
| 08:14:49 | Llorean | PaulJam: You do know that you can hold a button while booting to clear settings, righT? |
| 08:15:58 | PaulJam | yes, thats what i mean. i'm holding REC while booting, but it crashes before it even shows the rockbox logo |
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| 08:17:15 | Buschel | soap/stripwax: for the logs. i can also hear the clicks when switching to max clock now. |
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| 08:22:15 | mrkiko | PaulJam: what player are you using? |
| 08:22:22 | PaulJam | h300 |
| 08:23:11 | mrkiko | I'm not capable of usiing logbot - so if you want/can, can you re-explaing what's happened? I have that player also and I would be happy if I can help you in some way. |
| 08:23:35 | Llorean | mrkiko: Logs have nothing to do with Logbot. They're posted on the Rockbox website. |
| 08:23:40 | Llorean | Logbot is just what records them |
| 08:24:16 | philibuster | was it the last commit that broke it? Can we try the older version? |
| 08:24:17 | mrkiko | Llorean: but I think I seen someone some times giving command to that program to obtain short phrases, but may be I'm wrong |
| 08:24:37 | Llorean | mrkiko: Yes, but that's not logs. Those are quick explanations of common terms to keep people from having to retype things. |
| 08:24:57 | mrkiko | Llorean: ok |
| 08:25:45 | * | mrkiko is going to search the irc log address |
| 08:27:43 | mrkiko | PaulJam: I have the same problem with the actual rockbox build, but you can always retrieve and old one |
| 08:28:53 | mrkiko | but it's strange - pressing REC you should be aniway be able to boot to the OF - actually the boot loader takes care of that, not rockbox.iriver, right? |
| 08:29:05 | mrkiko | at least I can deduce this reading the bootloader C code |
| 08:30:20 | mrkiko | Can you access the player in usb mode ? |
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| 08:30:50 | PaulJam | yes, i can still boot into the of. (it depends on the timing if it boots the of or resets settings) |
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| 08:32:18 | ptw419 | it seems that eboot.bin for the gigabeat S might be stored in flash at 0xA0001000 |
| 08:32:23 | mrkiko | Ehi... it's a lot of time I don't need to reset my H300.. . |
| 08:33:03 | mrkiko | and when I red "Stop the player vkeyboard from freezing when voice is enabled and it tries to sp..." I felt very very happy! |
| 08:33:04 | ptw419 | thats the physical address, memory mapped address is 0x88041000 |
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| 08:49:00 | GodEater | is anyone else paying much attention to the Default WPS candidate thread at the moment ? |
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| 08:58:36 | JdGordon | PaulJam: does the patch for 8427 fix it for you? if so im good to commit it |
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| 09:04:16 | asker | Hello. What do the fields lss_, lse_, and lst_pattern in the new viewport structure mean? Could anybody with knowledge and commit right add some comments? |
| 09:05:32 | PaulJam | JdGordon: i'm not able to reproduce it with the patch appled, so it seems to fix it. |
| 09:06:05 | JdGordon | k cool |
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| 09:11:00 | GodEater | anyone see that sandisk have upped the storage on the View to 32GB now ? |
| 09:11:23 | advcomp2019 | GodEater, yea |
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| 09:23:02 | mrkiko | Are there future ports in progress? What new payer will probably run Rockbox? |
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| 09:28:02 | GodEater | the only ports in progress (that I'm aware of) are the Olympus m:robe, and the Toshiba Gigabeat S. Neither of which are "new". |
| 09:28:31 | petur | isn't amiconn working on another iaudio one? |
| 09:28:39 | JdGordon | then there is the possible ones... all the TCC ones, D2, rio karma |
| 09:29:11 | GodEater | JdGordon: ah yes - I'd forgotten the TCC ones |
| 09:29:25 | GodEater | Cowon D2, and linuxstb's Logik DAB thingy |
| 09:29:42 | GodEater | rio karma is not new at ALL |
| 09:29:51 | JdGordon | new target though... |
| 09:29:55 | Llorean | I'd say the Sansa V2s are at least "hopeful" too. Nothing's started yet, but it looks like we can sign code for them, and we do have some hardware info of use, right? |
| 09:30:12 | GodEater | true, but as you say - no-one's working on them right now |
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| 09:30:40 | mrkiko | I won't abandon rockbox - too good... |
| 09:30:45 | Llorean | Well, I think one or two people are "sorta" looking into it. Didn't safetydan play with a clip, and if I recall someone in the forums re-signed an official firmware image and got it to load? |
| 09:31:05 | mrkiko | and, even if my H3400 is performing well, I imagine it will not do so for ever... |
| 09:31:11 | Llorean | I think right now there's a _lot_ of potential, far more than there is developer interest. Which at least means there's room to expand. |
| 09:31:32 | JdGordon | iirc ddalton is one of the people trying to get something happening... so dont hold too much hope... |
| 09:31:36 | * | petur didn't know of a 400MB 1.8" disk |
| 09:31:39 | GodEater | oooh mean !!! |
| 09:31:42 | * | stripwax hehs |
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| 09:32:03 | GodEater | did anyone see that 832GB 2.5" flash drive annoucned at CES ? |
| 09:32:07 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 09:32:11 | * | JdGordon wants |
| 09:32:12 | * | GodEater drools |
| 09:32:19 | Llorean | Now I just gotta go win the lottery so I can put one in my laptop |
| 09:32:35 | GodEater | I want one in my PS3 :) |
| 09:32:46 | JdGordon | i want it in my desktop |
| 09:32:54 | JdGordon | or two in RAID even... |
| 09:33:50 | mrkiko | I would like so much an mp3 player with that capability .... |
| 09:34:03 | mrkiko | aniway: I just would like putting a flash drive on the H300, not an hard disk drive |
| 09:34:19 | mrkiko | I imagine it's possible... |
| 09:34:39 | Llorean | People've done it with CompactFlash cards and adapters |
| 09:34:57 | Llorean | But due to some timing issues, it's not entirely reliable with Rockbox. Apparently there are things that could be fixed |
| 09:36:03 | mrkiko | In my opinion an hard drive in a mp3 player renders it very delicate.. |
| 09:37:12 | GodEater | does anyone know how well current filesystems scale up to that sort of size drive ? |
| 09:37:34 | mrkiko | GodEater: even fat 32 supports 2 TB... |
| 09:37:34 | GodEater | I'm guessing if you ever DID get a DAP with that sort of capacity, you really wouldn't be wanting FAT32 anymore |
| 09:37:39 | mrkiko | so probably you woun't have much problems |
| 09:37:53 | mrkiko | sure |
| 09:37:57 | mrkiko | I would use xfs in fact |
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| 09:38:23 | mrkiko | It scales very well for big sizes, at a price - it will consume you some more MBs when you format the device... |
| 09:38:31 | * | markun is planning to experiment with ZFS on his new drive |
| 09:38:46 | mrkiko | but it's very complex - I don't think it would be easy to port to projects such as rockbox |
| 09:39:07 | mrkiko | markun: what OS are you running? |
| 09:39:11 | Llorean | Well there's not really another suitable FS right now is there? |
| 09:39:22 | markun | mrkiko: FreeBSD |
| 09:39:30 | Llorean | I mean, besides Fat32, what filesystem has native drivers built into both OSX and Windows? |
| 09:39:51 | mrkiko | Llorean: mhm... I don't know if osz supports natively ntfs |
| 09:40:28 | mrkiko | Aniway guys - I would like avoiding use of fat 32 for aniyhing :) |
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| 09:41:00 | * | Llorean doesn't see any real problem with FAT32 on current device capacities. |
| 09:41:36 | mrkiko | Llorean: in my opinion it lacks many important characteristics which may allow datya recovery. |
| 09:42:08 | Llorean | Which are hardly useful or important on what is essentially a write-once, read-many device, as they tend to be more relevant for write-many things. |
| 09:42:11 | GodEater | I don't see any problem with it on current drive sizes either |
| 09:42:15 | markun | Llorean: ZFS sounded like a nice OS. Too bad it's license it incompatible with the Linux kernel.. |
| 09:42:26 | markun | nice FS.. :) |
| 09:42:35 | Llorean | The most important thing about a FS for Rockbox is that users don't need to install drivers or otherwise deal with things. |
| 09:43:29 | markun | I also don't know of any other FS which would be suitable for rockbox |
| 09:44:12 | GodEater | there just isn't one which wouldn't require at least one OS owner to install more drivers |
| 09:44:46 | Llorean | I'm kinda surprised Windows doesn't support HFS+, honestly. |
| 09:44:57 | markun | Llorean: why? |
| 09:45:00 | * | GodEater can feel BillG turning in his grave |
| 09:45:01 | Llorean | Microsoft went ahead 'n supported it for the XBox 360 so that it could read iPods. |
| 09:45:05 | GodEater | even though he's not dead yet |
| 09:45:06 | GodEater | :) |
| 09:45:26 | Llorean | People recommend formatting external HDs to HFS+ if you're going to play high definition content on it, and need >4GB files, apparently |
| 09:45:42 | GodEater | "People" ? |
| 09:45:53 | Llorean | Random websites of dubious veracity. |
| 09:46:07 | GodEater | presumably all run by mac fan boys |
| 09:46:29 | Llorean | Still, there's a "feature" to listen to music from an iPod, and it doesn't mention any special requirements, so it seems reasonable that it supports HFS+ on iPods at least |
| 09:47:11 | markun | UDF works on most OS' I guess, but it's probably not suitable for a HDD |
| 09:47:27 | * | GodEater wonders if it's even possible to format an HD with it |
| 09:47:33 | GodEater | that would be an interesting exercise |
| 09:48:55 | GodEater | I'm still wondering why the original karma developers decided on a journaling file system for the karma when they released it |
| 09:48:59 | GodEater | that seems an odd choice |
| 09:49:16 | markun | GodEater: from wikipedia: "Because of this increased support, UDF is gaining popularity on non-optical media that mainly need to be exchangeable, such as Iomega REV discs, large flash media, and even on hard disk drives." |
| 09:49:23 | Llorean | "For next releases of UDF, changes are discussed in relation to using UDF on very large hard disk media" according to wikipedia |
| 09:50:55 | GodEater | wow |
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| 09:51:45 | Llorean | So, maybe by the time FAT32 isn't good enough for RB targets, we can use UDF Version.0 |
| 09:51:57 | Llorean | But it's not exactly a pressing concern, I think. :) |
| 09:52:14 | mrkiko | aniway yes - I formatted one of my hds in udf |
| 09:52:16 | mrkiko | it's possible |
| 09:52:42 | mrkiko | Now I'm mounting it - I don't know if I can write to UDF partitions from Linux |
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| 09:56:58 | mrkiko | yes I can write |
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| 10:04:29 | philibuster | Was PaulJam's problem solved earlier? On the x5 it still gives the error on bootup. |
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| 10:53:16 | amiconn | GodEater, petur: I am working on the iAudio M3 (not 'new' as well). Not much done yet |
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| 11:00:00 | rclott | can someone help me with h320 installation crash? |
| 11:00:49 | petur | bootloader installation? |
| 11:01:05 | rclott | complete installation, all goes well, then |
| 11:01:23 | rclott | immediately after splash screen i get illegal instruction at address 2 |
| 11:02:45 | petur | you unzipped the correct build on your player? |
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| 11:02:57 | rclott | i believe so, let me double-check that |
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| 11:04:36 | rclott | if i can trust the data in the rockbox-info.txt file, it appears to be correct build |
| 11:05:41 | petur | strange, I'd try to unzip a fresh one again and do a chkdsk |
| 11:06:00 | petur | the bootloader shows up fine? |
| 11:06:08 | rclott | chkdsk on the iRiver disk? |
| 11:06:12 | petur | yes |
| 11:06:29 | rclott | yes, when it boots, i receive probably 1/2 screen of boot-up information |
| 11:06:39 | philibuster | So... I'm pretty sure the new builds for H3xx and Iaudio devices are borked |
| 11:06:55 | philibuster | I have an x5 and it gives me that error. |
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| 11:07:02 | petur | ouch... |
| 11:07:05 | rclott | also, right now i am running it in the "bootloader usb mode" and that functionality is working fine |
| 11:07:14 | * | petur doesn't have his h300 with him to check |
| 11:07:45 | rclott | how about i download a previous, non-borked version? |
| 11:08:03 | petur | you could try to get one of a few days old |
| 11:09:16 | rclott | can you advise a date to try? |
| 11:09:47 | philibuster | 01/07 worked on my x5 |
| 11:09:59 | petur | nope, I didn't even know there were problems |
| 11:13:51 | rclott | that worked |
| 11:14:00 | rclott | thanks guys |
| 11:14:44 | rclott | tell me, i've had this h320 for over 3 years, and was looking at the latest iriver products |
| 11:14:56 | webguest35 | hi all |
| 11:14:59 | rclott | i realized this is still their only large drive player |
| 11:15:06 | webguest35 | i have a bit of general question |
| 11:15:22 | rclott | has anyone changed out their 20gb for a 40 or 80gb disk? |
| 11:15:32 | webguest35 | i have ipod classic (6th gen) on which I can not install rockbox |
| 11:16:00 | webguest35 | but i am curious to know if i can install a font for my own language... i am not replacing the whole firmware, but just a new font |
| 11:16:24 | GodEater | webguest35: this is a channel about rockbox, not about ipods. |
| 11:18:12 | webguest35 | sorry for a wrong forum... i started off in an attempt to install rockbox and came to know my firmware is encrypted... somehow i thought i would ask this question in this forum :-) |
| 11:19:16 | GodEater | rclott: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
| 11:19:35 | rclott | thanks again |
| 11:19:38 | petur | rclott: I have an h380 ;) |
| 11:19:44 | rclott | COOL |
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| 11:20:07 | GodEater | good luck finding an 80GB drive these days though =/ |
| 11:20:20 | petval_ | hi all |
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| 11:21:00 | rclott | now i just gotta figure out how to operate rockbox - in an attempt to view korean fonts, i've put this thing into the korean language mode and can't find the language setting to change it back! (don't worry, i'll figure it out) |
| 11:21:16 | rclott | as in 80gb is too small these days? |
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| 11:21:32 | rclott | being in seoul, i have access to some good electronics marts |
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| 11:21:41 | * | petur still wonders about those new samsung 120GB disks |
| 11:22:30 | GodEater | rclott: no, as in the drive interface in the iriver is very old now, modern drives are not produced using it |
| 11:22:34 | amiconn | rclott: No, you need to find an 80GB disk with the necessary connector. There's only one type that fits the irivers - the Toshiba MK8007GAH |
| 11:22:53 | amiconn | That one is *hard* to find |
| 11:23:07 | rclott | noted - i'll check here in seoul and see if it is available |
| 11:24:23 | petur | GodEater: except for that samsung HS122JC which seems to have that good old 50 pins ATA |
| 11:24:24 | petval_ | isn't the latest build for iAudio X5 broken? I upgraded today and cannot boot |
| 11:24:42 | petur | petval_: you're number 3 to report |
| 11:24:48 | GodEater | petur: is it easy to find ? |
| 11:24:49 | petval_ | thanks |
| 11:25:10 | petur | GodEater: there were some on ebay - it is brand new too |
| 11:25:35 | petval_ | what confuses me that i can't boot even older version (i have some september build on the drive) |
| 11:25:59 | rclott | samsung ought to be really easy for me to get in seoul |
| 11:26:13 | petur | GodEater: going for $205 atm |
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| 11:55:57 | petval_ | maybe you should remove the current build of iAudio X5 from the builds page before other people brick their devices |
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| 11:56:18 | petur | they're not 'bricked' |
| 11:57:38 | petval_ | i know but currently i'm only to able to make it work with original cowon firmware, even older rockbox builds don't boot |
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| 11:58:39 | petval_ | even after flashing the booltloader with the initial rockbox firmware |
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| 12:00:03 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/01/08/the-agony-of-release/ |
| 12:03:07 | * | petur wonders if LinusN has time to check the h3x0 build issue |
| 12:03:44 | LinusN | which one? |
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| 12:04:37 | petur | seems the current build doesn't work (boot) at all |
| 12:04:44 | LinusN | wow |
| 12:04:52 | petur | I don't have my h300 here to try |
| 12:05:06 | LinusN | since when? |
| 12:05:25 | petur | no idea... |
| 12:05:43 | * | LinusN whispers "viewports..." |
| 12:05:52 | petur | the reported tried a 7 day old daily which worked |
| 12:06:05 | petur | -d+r |
| 12:06:40 | petur | reported one hour ago |
| 12:07:42 | LinusN | my h300 is at home |
| 12:07:54 | petur | heh - same as here then |
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| 12:12:33 | * | linuxstb looks at the last 24 hours of commits and concedes that viewports look most likely... :( |
| 12:12:46 | linuxstb | So problems are reported on both h300 and x5? |
| 12:15:24 | LinusN | really? |
| 12:15:40 | Bagder | yes |
| 12:15:49 | * | LinusN tries the x5 |
| 12:15:51 | * | linuxstb owns neither |
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| 12:17:10 | LinusN | *boom* |
| 12:18:50 | LinusN | i can see the rockbox logo flash by, then it crashes |
| 12:19:06 | linuxstb | Is this line correct, for initialising the default viewport in lcd-16bit.c ? static struct viewport* current_vp IDATA_ATTR = &default_vp; |
| 12:24:26 | LinusN | doesn't look that wrong to me |
| 12:24:56 | LinusN | but i wonder why the 16-bit targets initialize current_vp while the grayscale one don't |
| 12:25:18 | LinusN | ones, even |
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| 12:31:16 | linuxstb | The greyscale drivers need to call lcd_set_viewport() in lcd_init - because of the different (internal and external to the driver) formats for the fg/bg pattern. |
| 12:31:33 | LinusN | r16021 works |
| 12:31:47 | LinusN | so i suspect this: http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20080108T012245Z.html |
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| 12:34:34 | LinusN | linuxstb: is lcd_remote_setfont() deprecated? |
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| 12:38:11 | * | LinusN found the problem |
| 12:38:21 | GodEater | yay |
| 12:39:24 | Nico_P | Bagder: nice blog post! |
| 12:41:10 | LinusN | fix committed |
| 12:41:37 | * | LinusN guesses that linuxstb doesn't have any targets with remotes |
| 12:43:30 | * | Nico_P wonders whether anyone here has ever expressed the desire to voluteer for release manager |
| 12:43:35 | linuxstb | I have an h140 with remote, but didn't test there. I'm sure I tested the h300 sim though, but it was late last night... |
| 12:43:50 | linuxstb | LinusN: What was the problem? |
| 12:44:54 | Nico_P | petur: have you checked whether FS #6665 is still an issue lately? |
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| 12:48:25 | PaulJam | Thank you LinusN. |
| 12:49:04 | linuxstb | LinusN: Ah... I guess just a cut/paste error... |
| 12:49:21 | linuxstb | (thanks!) |
| 12:57:49 | GodEater | I volunteer Llorean as a release manager ;) |
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| 13:05:01 | Nico_P | hehe :) |
| 13:05:31 | Nico_P | maybe it would be better to have several people if noone wants to do the job alone |
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| 13:07:38 | linuxstb | I'm not saying a release manager isn't useful, but I also don't think there would be a problem with reaching a consensus on what a release should contain. |
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| 13:25:21 | Bagder | linuxstb: imho, we've had serious problems with that |
| 13:25:42 | Bagder | ending up with too much |
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| 13:30:10 | linuxstb | Bagder: I just can't remember it as being an issue for 3.0. I don't think I was around for earlier releases though. |
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| 13:30:54 | Bagder | I think it was part of the reasons we couldn't make a 3.0 |
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| 13:31:06 | Bagder | we set the bar too high |
| 13:31:24 | petur | Nico_P: haven't checked - do not have my h300 here atm |
| 13:31:36 | linuxstb | I think it's more that we need someone to ask "Is this bug a show-stopper or not?", rather than needing someone to dictate. |
| 13:31:37 | Nico_P | ok |
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| 13:32:09 | Bagder | possibly, but I think we'll end up with different people thinking differently on many bugs |
| 13:32:29 | Bagder | and "we need X to go in before we can release", with X varying between devs |
| 13:32:41 | * | petur thinks a tracker cleanup week would be welcome again |
| 13:32:58 | Bagder | bbl |
| 13:34:19 | linuxstb | Maybe the bar for 3.0 was too high, or on the other hand, maybe the code just wasn't close enough when we froze. We also lacked devs in the crucial areas (playback, low-level hardware), and the other devs (me included) didn't dive into parts of the code previously unknown to them. I think now we have a better distribution of devs. |
| 13:35:10 | petur | I think the major problem was issues in the playback engine |
| 13:41:15 | * | Nico_P is attempting to tackle FS #2687 |
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| 14:02:35 | Nico_P | ptw419: I see you found some things :) |
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| 14:05:50 | eigma | *yawn, stretches* |
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| 14:31:34 | * | Nico_P is tempted to rewrite audio_check_new_track() |
| 14:31:52 | GodEater | ? |
| 14:32:51 | Nico_P | it's a big mess and I'm trying to fix the infamous FS #2687 |
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| 14:44:08 | GodEater | still no reply on the eCos list =( |
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| 14:48:16 | linuxstb | And no answer from ukre to my post either... |
| 14:51:39 | GodEater | not yet - but I didn't expect that to come super quickly |
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| 15:01:43 | Nico_P | I think I have the fix :) |
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| 15:08:40 | * | GodEater isn't sure what the fuss is over the status icon placement in cabbie 2.0 |
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| 15:13:58 | Tuplanolla | Hello. Does PP5022C mean PortalPlayer 5022C processor? |
| 15:14:21 | GodEater | yes |
| 15:16:04 | linuxstb | GodEater: I wouldn't go as far as saying "fuss", it's just that Rockbox itself has the status bar at the top, so it just seems natural (to me) for the WPS to have it in the same place... |
| 15:16:20 | GodEater | except that the theme doesn't display the status bar at all |
| 15:16:33 | GodEater | so it's not like it's "conflicting" with anything |
| 15:16:50 | linuxstb | I thought I read comments saying that it should be enabled - so it's not going to be? |
| 15:17:08 | GodEater | I must have missed those |
| 15:17:15 | GodEater | I can't imagine why you would though |
| 15:17:16 | linuxstb | IIRC pixelma was arguing for it. |
| 15:17:22 | linuxstb | Because it's useful... |
| 15:17:33 | GodEater | but in that case there's little point having those status icons AT ALL |
| 15:17:43 | GodEater | since you're then duplicating a lot of information |
| 15:19:03 | * | GodEater starts paging back through the thread |
| 15:19:16 | linuxstb | I wouldn't argue with that - I dislike those icons as well (they look out of proportion to the rest of the WPS)... But maybe I'm just used to the current (too) tiny status bar. |
| 15:19:27 | Nico_P | Anyone wanting to test my fix for FS #2687 ? |
| 15:19:48 | linuxstb | GodEater: On this page, the status bar is enabled on a lot of the versions - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DefaultWPS |
| 15:19:56 | GodEater | I can see her saying she wants the status bar enabled on screens other than the wPS |
| 15:20:00 | GodEater | but not the WPS itself |
| 15:20:07 | linuxstb | Yes, that's what I was talking about. |
| 15:20:30 | GodEater | hmm |
| 15:20:45 | GodEater | well - I think the whole thing would look a little top heavy if all those icons got moved to the top of the screen |
| 15:21:54 | linuxstb | But I'm not going to argue about it - it's not a theme I would use myself, but it's decent enough, and I'm not objecting to it becoming the default. |
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| 15:22:42 | linuxstb | It's just the icons jump out at me as looking out of place for some reason... But others obviously disagree, so it's just personal taste. |
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| 15:23:44 | petur | they are a bit on the big side... |
| 15:24:58 | Tuplanolla | Hm, I have a e280 with PP5022C. Maybe someone could add it to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayer ? |
| 15:25:29 | linuxstb | Tuplanolla: IIUC, PP5022C is just the internal chip ID for the PP5024. |
| 15:26:12 | linuxstb | IIRC, the PP5021 is also a PP5022 variant. |
| 15:26:23 | Tuplanolla | Ah, ok, thanks. |
| 15:27:21 | Tuplanolla | I'm reading the Product Briefing PDF's now and they seem to be almost identical. |
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| 15:29:45 | jac0b-work | is FS #8385 adding viewports |
| 15:31:38 | GodEater | http://godeater.cream.org/icons_at_top_cabbieipodaa.png |
| 15:31:47 | GodEater | obviously the gradient has gone all wrong there |
| 15:31:55 | GodEater | but I think that looks unbalanced even so |
| 15:33:13 | * | linuxstb thinks it looks much better |
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| 15:33:37 | GodEater | stirrer :) |
| 15:34:09 | linuxstb | I also like the fact that it's split by a different background colour - that it's not a single gradient. |
| 15:34:49 | leftright | my .02c worth regarding the cabbie theme, why not remove the Rockbox lettering, it squashes the status icons |
| 15:35:35 | * | petur votes for smaller icons and the cube logo :) |
| 15:36:06 | leftright | and wirh the status icons on top, the now playing bar seems out of place |
| 15:36:11 | GodEater | the cube logo was what went in first wasn't it ? But then got vetoed due to lack of permission from the author (and lack of contact details for said author) |
| 15:36:21 | GodEater | leftright: that's my opinion too |
| 15:36:23 | Nico_P | that's it |
| 15:37:02 | petur | I feel the now playing bar is too glossy making the text harder to read |
| 15:37:10 | GodEater | jac0b-work: is that a serious question ? |
| 15:37:23 | jac0b-work | yes |
| 15:37:25 | leftright | the current size of the status icons is nice but appear squashed |
| 15:37:42 | jac0b-work | or is it a test |
| 15:37:51 | * | GodEater likes both the size and placement of the icons |
| 15:38:09 | GodEater | jac0b-work: anything on the tracker is designed to go into rockbox eventually |
| 15:38:14 | GodEater | jac0b-work: that's sort of the point of it |
| 15:38:38 | jac0b-work | so someone has put in a test viewport |
| 15:38:53 | leftright | but whatever the decision, currently its still better than old stock wps |
| 15:38:53 | GodEater | the viewports are already in svn |
| 15:39:08 | jac0b-work | really? |
| 15:39:13 | jac0b-work | I didn't know that |
| 15:39:13 | GodEater | jac0b-work: yes |
| 15:39:21 | GodEater | jac0b-work: see the front page at www.rockbox.org |
| 15:39:49 | GodEater | jac0b-work: all that remains is the app code to take advantage of them |
| 15:39:56 | jac0b-work | oh ok |
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| 15:40:04 | GodEater | you use them in a WPS if you apply the current patch frmo 8385 |
| 15:40:11 | GodEater | but the plan is to use them all over the place, not just the WPS |
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| 15:40:27 | jac0b-work | because I was going to ask how to build the viewports into my build |
| 15:40:47 | GodEater | linuxstb: btw - why did you feel the wps code wasn't worth commiting ? |
| 15:41:21 | GodEater | jac0b-work: the same way you put any other patch in a build |
| 15:41:37 | jac0b-work | alright |
| 15:44:19 | jac0b-work | I just thought from what the front page said that viewports were active now |
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| 15:47:52 | peppo | is anyone else losing their settings on reboot? |
| 15:47:53 | GodEater | jac0b-work: if you want them to use them in your WPS, then you'd need the current version of the patch applied to |
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| 15:47:57 | GodEater | *too |
| 15:48:34 | jac0b-work | godeater: alright thanks |
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| 15:48:53 | linuxstb | GodEater: There are still bugs (see PaulJam's comments), plus I think it needs more thought about how we want to handle things like bitmaps, and if we may want to break backwards-compatibility. |
| 15:49:42 | GodEater | ah yes I see |
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| 16:07:54 | IOC | Nico_P gets the prize as the man who's fixed the oldest bug of the day! :-) |
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| 16:16:24 | linuxstb | peppo: How are you rebooting, and which device are you running Rockbox on? |
| 16:16:38 | peppo | I lose theme setting, last.fm log setting, fade setting |
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| 16:16:47 | peppo | + get duplicate database entries bug :/ |
| 16:17:05 | peppo | linuxstb, menu+select 6sec, ipod video 80gb, using today's build |
| 16:17:40 | linuxstb | That's a hard reset - you should shutdown cleanly (long press on PLAY/PAUSE). |
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| 16:18:00 | linuxstb | It's the equivalent of pulling the plug on your PC... |
| 16:18:16 | xufumon | Hey guys, is the 160gb ipod supported by rockbox? |
| 16:18:20 | preglow | no |
| 16:18:24 | linuxstb | No, and no-one is working on it. |
| 16:18:25 | xufumon | Thanks. |
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| 16:18:39 | xufumon | Just checking.... |
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| 16:19:07 | peppo | linuxstb, oops! did not know this |
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| 16:20:23 | Nico_P | petur: may I ask why you don't have your H300? is it short or long term? |
| 16:20:48 | petur | Nico_P: short term... I left it at home ;) |
| 16:20:59 | Nico_P | ok :) |
| 16:21:22 | petur | but it will be late when I get home tonight (+ several beers) so... |
| 16:21:39 | Robin0800 | The viwports commit dosn't allow the Jclix Viewport wps to run should it? |
| 16:21:54 | Nico_P | petur: ah, I was kinda hoping you could give the playback bugs a look, but no rush ;) |
| 16:22:07 | linuxstb | Robin0800: No, the WPS parts of the patch hasn't been committed yet. |
| 16:22:23 | Robin0800 | Thanks |
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| 16:23:55 | Robin0800 | linuxstb,worth adding to svn page? |
| 16:24:47 | linuxstb | What svn page? |
| 16:25:57 | Robin0800 | linuxstb,svn committs just saying no wps implementation yet |
| 16:30:30 | linuxstb | It does say that... |
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| 16:30:55 | linuxstb | "NOTE: There are no user-visible changes with this commit - just the infrastructure." |
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| 16:35:37 | Robin0800 | linuxstb,where is that note? its not on the front page |
| 16:36:41 | markun | Robin0800: http://www.rockbox.org/recent.shtml#svn |
| 16:36:50 | markun | Yesterday 20:34 |
| 16:37:44 | peppo | so a proper reboot is holding down play (on a ipod video 80gb)? |
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| 16:38:20 | peppo | thing is... can't start it after a shutdown |
| 16:38:31 | peppo | only way I know is to hold down menu+select |
| 16:39:00 | Robin0800 | markun,yes just seen it I was looking at today perhaps the note should have been repeated? |
| 16:40:21 | peppo | menu does nothing, select does nothing, menu + select does nothing |
| 16:40:45 | peppo | only way I know to turn it on from shutdown is hold down menu+select 6 seconds |
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| 16:44:42 | Robin0800 | peppo,to start you should be able to use either menu or select, menue & select is a reboot, shutdown is a long play |
| 16:45:51 | peppo | Robin0800, nothing happens :/ |
| 16:47:50 | Robin0800 | peppo,its crashed then, reboot and try the proper shutdown |
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| 16:48:19 | peppo | weird. I just shut down with long play |
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| 16:50:57 | peppo | the wording is weird. after a database build, it says to reboot |
| 16:51:10 | peppo | but there's no proper reboot, only hard reboot and shutdown? |
| 16:51:28 | PaulJam | does rolo not work on ipods? |
| 16:53:20 | peppo | rolo? |
| 16:54:41 | linuxstb | I think it works to some extent (or has done in the past). I've no idea what the current status is though. |
| 16:55:16 | linuxstb | As in rolo'ing a new Rockbox build, or rolo'ing a Linux kernel has worked for me. Loading the original firmware doesn't though. |
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| 16:57:06 | PaulJam | but thinking of it, rolo propably wouldn't qualify as a "proper reboot" since it doesn't do a clean shutdown. |
| 16:57:23 | linuxstb | It should do... |
| 16:57:48 | pondlife | Nico_P: Well done on FS #2687! |
| 16:57:53 | PaulJam | maybe i have missed that change then. |
| 16:58:14 | peppo | linuxstb, it still loses settings |
| 16:58:32 | Nico_P | pondlife: thanks :) |
| 16:59:02 | peppo | "Please reboot to enable" |
| 16:59:03 | pondlife | Does that now mean all our external track references/offsets are using the WPS transition point? |
| 16:59:05 | peppo | what exactly is meant by this? |
| 16:59:13 | peppo | is "Shutdown" and "Power up" what is meant? |
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| 17:00:09 | PaulJam | peppo: tere were cases where the config.cfg whas corrupt. then rockbox fails to save changes, try to delete the config.cfg or run chkdsk. maybe this solved your problems. |
| 17:03:29 | peppo | # .cfg file created by rockbox r16026-080108 - http://www.rockbox.org |
| 17:03:30 | peppo | empty |
| 17:03:33 | peppo | beside that |
| 17:03:33 | peppo | so no |
| 17:04:03 | Nico_P | pondlife: I'm not sure what external references you're talking about |
| 17:04:13 | peppo | how can I check a fat32 partition under gnu/linux? |
| 17:04:27 | pondlife | Nico_P: I mean, outside of playback.c. |
| 17:04:33 | Nico_P | peppo: fsck.vfat |
| 17:04:51 | peppo | Nico_P, do I need to unmount it first? won't it become unavailible as a device then? |
| 17:04:51 | linuxstb | PaulJam: I'm not saying that rolo does do a clean shutdown, just that it should do... |
| 17:05:03 | pondlife | All APIs/structures only show that the track transition has occurred at the same time now.. |
| 17:05:05 | linuxstb | (I don't know if it does or not) |
| 17:05:14 | pondlife | I.e. when the WPS changes |
| 17:05:21 | pondlife | Not when the codec changes |
| 17:05:57 | Nico_P | peppo: I don't think you need to unmount it |
| 17:06:49 | Nico_P | pondlife: I'm not completely sure but hopefully it's the case |
| 17:06:49 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I would expect that you do... |
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| 17:07:11 | pondlife | Great... I'm testing some stuff now. |
| 17:08:06 | Nico_P | pondlife: about the chunksize issue, jhMikeS told me 16k was better and the problem was most probably thread priority, so I'll try making a patch and submitting it to you or GodEater for testing |
| 17:08:12 | peppo | oh oh, fsck.vfat: http://rafb.net/p/K0Y0un50.html |
| 17:08:21 | pondlife | OK |
| 17:09:22 | linuxstb | peppo: If I was you, I would correct the errors, then delete your .rockbox folder, and re-install. |
| 17:09:34 | peppo | linuxstb, I was thinking just that, thanks |
| 17:13:52 | peppo | "FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdg2) |
| 17:13:53 | peppo | fat_free_clusters: deleting FAT entry beyond EOF |
| 17:13:53 | peppo | File system has been set read-only" |
| 17:13:54 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK peppo |
| 17:13:54 | peppo | from dmesg |
| 17:13:59 | pondlife | Ooh, nice UI lock... |
| 17:14:32 | pondlife | Nico_P: You may want to try holding down fast forward all the way to track end.. |
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| 17:15:01 | pondlife | Then skip back and it locks up the sim UI... although playback is smooth. |
| 17:16:00 | Nico_P | seems to work fine on my player... I'll try on the sim |
| 17:16:48 | Nico_P | I must not be doing the same thing as you... I see no problem |
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| 17:17:09 | pondlife | I'll check my recipe and pop on Flyspray if I can reproduce |
| 17:17:33 | Nico_P | does it cause a crash or a freeze? |
| 17:17:57 | linuxstb | peppo: Sorry, I can't help. I normally don't bother trying to repair FAT filesystems, I just reformat... |
| 17:17:59 | pondlife | It makes the UI unresponsive, with no movement in the progressbar |
| 17:18:16 | pondlife | Try winding to the end of track, then try a back seek shortly after track 2 plays |
| 17:18:55 | Nico_P | pondlife: by "back seek" do you mean skip back to track 1, skip to beginning of track 2, or seek back in track 2? |
| 17:19:15 | pondlife | Seek back in track 2 |
| 17:19:32 | pondlife | Let it play the first 7 seconds, then hold left |
| 17:19:54 | pondlife | The UI locks shortly after I finish that seek. |
| 17:20:37 | Nico_P | still no lock |
| 17:20:57 | pondlife | Hmm. I'll go back to default config... |
| 17:21:52 | Nico_P | do you have crossfading enabled? |
| 17:21:56 | pondlife | No |
| 17:22:03 | Nico_P | ok. me neither |
| 17:22:04 | pondlife | Not for this test |
| 17:23:14 | pondlife | With default settings it locks the UI with just a forward seek to the end of track 1 |
| 17:23:37 | pondlife | I now hear track 2, but peakmeters are not moving (and track 1 info is still displayed) |
| 17:23:58 | pondlife | This is just with a 128k MP3 |
| 17:24:46 | Nico_P | that's really weird... seeking to the end of the track works fine here |
| 17:27:01 | pondlife | I'm playing about 3 seconds of track 1, then holding down right until the progress bar is full. |
| 17:27:12 | pondlife | Totally reproducible |
| 17:28:19 | pondlife | Just checking r16024 |
| 17:29:22 | pondlife | Ah, that does it too! Nothing to do with your commit... ;) |
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| 17:30:23 | Nico_P | I still wonder why I'm not seeing it |
| 17:30:38 | pondlife | I'm on default settings, with an H300 sim. |
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| 17:32:39 | codin | the default iPod firmware knows how to play mpeg-4 ? |
| 17:34:34 | linuxstb | codin: That's off-topic for a channel about Rockbox - see Apple's website for the original firmware's capabilities - http://www.apple.com/ipodclassic/specs.html |
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| 17:35:47 | codin | linuxstb, I did not want to offend anyone, I was just curious ... |
| 17:36:16 | codin | sorry |
| 17:36:56 | linuxstb | You don't offend anyone, it's just that this channel is logged, so we try to keep discussions on-topic. |
| 17:37:37 | pondlife | Nico_P: Logged on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8431 - now to try some older builds. |
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| 17:41:28 | Nico_P | pondlife: ok, thanks |
| 17:42:04 | pondlife | It's ok, must be an old problem and likely to be sim-threading related I suspect. |
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| 17:48:23 | * | Domonoky is working on voice generation in rbutil, and i have to rebuild some functionality of genlang in C/C++, but i dont completly understand what the -o option of genlang does.. |
| 17:48:58 | Domonoky | is someone here with knowledge of genlang ?? |
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| 17:57:34 | Tabarnakos | hi |
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| 17:59:15 | Tabarnakos | is there someone that could help me with a simple compiling question? |
| 17:59:23 | linuxstb | Just ask. |
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| 18:00:02 | Tabarnakos | ok i've followed all instructions to setup my own environment and everything works when i make my own build |
| 18:00:24 | Tabarnakos | but how can I compile my own plugin? |
| 18:00:42 | linuxstb | You need to add it to apps/plugins/SOURCES and apps/plugins/CATEGORIES |
| 18:00:54 | Tabarnakos | okay |
| 18:00:54 | linuxstb | And then build Rockbox again. |
| 18:01:01 | lostlogic | Nico_P: wow. |
| 18:01:19 | Tabarnakos | and then by running configure, it will be included in the makefile? |
| 18:02:02 | linuxstb | No need to re-run configure. The SOURCES file controls what files are compiled. |
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| 18:02:25 | linuxstb | (and that's processed by the Makefile when you type make) |
| 18:02:34 | Tabarnakos | ah ok |
| 18:03:11 | Tabarnakos | so I just type "make" in the plugin directory and then I build the whole rockbox? |
| 18:03:21 | | Quit GodEater (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 18:03:23 | linuxstb | No, you type "make" in your build directory. |
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| 18:03:34 | Tabarnakos | ok |
| 18:03:58 | Tabarnakos | I there any way to just compile a simgle file? |
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| 18:04:52 | linuxstb | Make will only recompile what's changed, but it does check all the files, which can take a while. "make rocks" will only build the plugins. |
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| 18:05:34 | Tabarnakos | thank you |
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| 18:06:31 | Tabarnakos | and is there a kind of help file or a list of rockbox-specific functions? |
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| 18:07:18 | Domonoky | Tabarnakos: for plugins take a look at apps/plugins.h |
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| 18:07:28 | drzoidberg | hello |
| 18:07:45 | drzoidberg | any one hear me ? |
| 18:07:46 | rdeleonf | hi |
| 18:07:52 | Tabarnakos | thanks |
| 18:08:12 | drzoidberg | why there isnt rockbox for iPod nano 3rd ???? ;( |
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| 18:09:31 | krazykit | drzoidberg, because it's undocumented hardware, encrypted firmware, and no one is working on it |
| 18:09:47 | scorche|w | noble effort |
| 18:10:16 | krazykit | he probably would've just whined anyway |
| 18:10:46 | preglow | can i whine instead? |
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| 18:15:23 | * | linuxstb whines about lack of 160GB Classic support |
| 18:16:19 | * | JdGordon whines about the lack of 32gb sansa view support and availability |
| 18:16:29 | JdGordon | ... and about having to goto work |
| 18:16:30 | * | scorche|w whines about whiners |
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| 18:17:26 | Tabarnakos | what does the incopatible version errors means? |
| 18:17:40 | linuxstb | It means your plugins are out of sync with your main Rockbox build. |
| 18:17:55 | linuxstb | The plugin API version changes occasionally - and it did about 16 hours ago. |
| 18:17:58 | Tabarnakos | and how can I correct this |
| 18:18:03 | peppo | any reason not to have "Charge during USB connection" enabled? |
| 18:18:04 | linuxstb | Do a full make. |
| 18:18:24 | linuxstb | (or a full install - both the main Rockbox binary and the plugins) |
| 18:21:57 | PaulJam | peppo: i think i have read somewhere that it could make problems when using an unpowered USB-hub. but i'm not too sure about that. |
| 18:22:33 | Tabarnakos | ok |
| 18:22:40 | Tabarnakos | im doing that right now |
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| 18:43:51 | Nico_P | lostlogic: :D |
| 18:44:03 | Nico_P | felt really good closing such an old bug |
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| 18:48:44 | nobbeh_evil | s'up #rockbox? |
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| 18:48:57 | nobbeh_evil | hello godeater |
| 18:49:05 | nobbeh_evil | eaten any good gods recently? |
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| 18:51:09 | Tabarnakos | to add a plugin to my rockbox installation, do I have to run the command make zip or can I just drag and drop the .rock file |
| 18:51:34 | GodEater | Tabarnakos: it's best to do make zip |
| 18:51:43 | Tabarnakos | thx |
| 18:51:46 | GodEater | Tabarnakos: .rock files are very version sensitive |
| 18:52:39 | Tabarnakos | that the error i'm getting right now |
| 18:54:17 | Tabarnakos | is there a command that does "make zip" without zipping it? |
| 18:54:39 | GodEater | I'm not sure what you're asking |
| 18:54:45 | GodEater | ALL that make zip does is zip it... |
| 18:55:12 | Tabarnakos | i find it pretty pointless to make a zip, and unzip it 3sec later |
| 18:55:26 | scorche|w | it gives you the file structure and such |
| 18:55:28 | Tabarnakos | all I want is the .roxkbox folder |
| 18:55:41 | scorche|w | that is all there is.. |
| 18:57:34 | Tabarnakos | anyway |
| 18:57:55 | Tabarnakos | arg |
| 18:58:04 | Tabarnakos | still getting incompatible verison error |
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| 18:59:30 | scorche|w | did you make zip and then extract the zip onto the root of the device? |
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| 19:00:14 | Tabarnakos | no actually I tried only transferring 1 plugin. the helloworld.rock |
| 19:01:26 | Tabarnakos | ok with the whole package, everything works |
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| 19:12:01 | Domonoky | yeah, rbutil generated the first working voice file !! *dancing* but why is the traget id in the voicefile, one lower then the ids displayed by configure (ie h120 is 10 in configure, but 9 in the voicefile) had cost me hours of debugging.. and a version mismatch warning for the voicefile in rockbox itself would be nice.. :-) |
| 19:12:38 | GodEater | the target id doesn't match the number you hit in configure |
| 19:12:49 | GodEater | try (for example) doing one for the ipod |
| 19:13:02 | GodEater | which I think you'll find is quite a LOT different from the configure id you enter |
| 19:13:17 | GodEater | well done btw ;) |
| 19:13:58 | Domonoky | oh.. so thats why... i should include the target ids into rbutils ini, then... |
| 19:14:27 | Domonoky | voice generation is still very hacky, but it works now :-) |
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| 19:15:01 | * | Domonoky goes shopping before the shops closes, more hacking later... :-) |
| 19:16:11 | preglow | \o/ |
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| 19:25:07 | lostlogic | Nico_P: yeah, and you managed to KISS which was what any of my proposed solutions did not do. well done. |
| 19:25:25 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
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| 19:27:07 | rdeleonf | if anyone's interested: irc.projectirc.net and channel #ipodhacking or #alliance |
| 19:27:11 | rdeleonf | :) |
| 19:27:21 | rdeleonf | it's the chat from iPH |
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| 19:57:39 | Tabarnakos | i'm trying to make a plugin for my ipod.... what is the function that gets user input? |
| 19:59:57 | * | preglow sees release talk again |
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| 20:01:23 | GuySoft | hey all, does anyone knwo if rockbox sansa c250? |
| 20:02:25 | Domonoky | GuySoft: c250 v1 works with rockbox, v2 does not.. |
| 20:02:29 | * | preglow is almost tempted to have a go at playing release manager, but it's probably not a wise idea... |
| 20:02:44 | GuySoft | v1 of sandisk? or of rockbox? |
| 20:02:58 | Domonoky | v1 of the player hardware.. |
| 20:03:13 | GuySoft | would that be stated on the box? |
| 20:04:23 | saratoga | most v2s mention audiable support on the box, but not all |
| 20:04:44 | GuySoft | audiable? |
| 20:05:11 | saratoga | preglow: is this for the H100 and H300 players? |
| 20:05:17 | GuySoft | what do you mean? |
| 20:05:29 | preglow | saratoga: undecided |
| 20:05:53 | preglow | i'd say it depends on the power usage issues of pp targets, which i consider to be an making those targets not releasble |
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| 20:07:24 | GuySoft | Domonoky, the basic question - is it possible to know if it will work? |
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| 20:08:20 | Domonoky | GuySoft: i dont know, sorry, search the wiki and the forum, mybe you find an answer |
| 20:08:39 | GuySoft | Domonoky, ok,, thanks |
| 20:09:33 | GuySoft | Domonoky, lets say i have this device. can i run a check on it? |
| 20:09:53 | GuySoft | Domonoky, sorry if you dont know the answer.. i am just curious :) |
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| 20:10:14 | Domonoky | GuySoft: if you have it, you can just try sansapatcher, it should only work on v1 players.. |
| 20:12:06 | Domonoky | GuySoft: take a look at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port |
| 20:12:08 | BigBambi | GuySoft: If you have the player, look at the original firmware version |
| 20:12:20 | BigBambi | 1.something is v1, 3.something is v2 |
| 20:12:24 | BigBambi | (IIRC) |
| 20:13:39 | Nico_P | preglow: regarding release manager, I'm a bit in the same state of mind as you |
| 20:14:14 | preglow | Nico_P: thinking it might not be a good idea to have me as release manager? :P |
| 20:14:29 | Nico_P | haha, no :) |
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| 20:16:33 | JdGordon|w | bah, power usage isnt an issue which shoudl stop release on the target |
| 20:16:48 | * | BigBambi thinks it is |
| 20:16:54 | BigBambi | but I don't count :) |
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| 20:17:11 | preglow | well, i think it is, it'll look really bad for a release to be that buggy |
| 20:17:16 | JdGordon|w | release on all the current targets, and then backport any fixes which are big (like power) |
| 20:17:42 | preglow | and half the reason for a release is to make something that works well and looks good |
| 20:17:44 | JdGordon|w | releases can have known bugs... and that one isnt that bad |
| 20:17:54 | BigBambi | A release implies that big things work properly |
| 20:17:57 | preglow | releasing something that guzzles battery will just yield bad publicity in a ton of ways |
| 20:18:13 | Nico_P | I agree |
| 20:18:24 | JdGordon|w | but that means less ipod users which is a good thing! |
| 20:18:51 | preglow | no, we definitely want more ipod users |
| 20:18:56 | preglow | the more the merrier |
| 20:20:16 | preglow | but no, any bugs in a release would have to be trivial or easy to work around |
| 20:20:24 | preglow | battery lasting only five hours is just plain bad |
| 20:20:43 | JdGordon|w | which targets are still that bad? |
| 20:20:54 | preglow | all pp based ones, to varying degrees |
| 20:21:07 | JdGordon|w | cant be all... 15+h on my sansas.. |
| 20:21:10 | preglow | though with buschel's patch, things are definitely looking brigter |
| 20:21:21 | preglow | JdGordon|w: then i'd consider those for a release, certainly |
| 20:22:05 | GuySoft | Domonoky, hmm.. its hard to find it if it will work.. no mentioning anywhere |
| 20:22:38 | JdGordon|w | I wouldnt have a poblem with saying "here is a pretty release which has one big freeking flaw, its only got 5h batt life, use if you dare"... |
| 20:23:53 | preglow | i'd never put "use if you dare" in release notes, "release" implies it's good to use |
| 20:23:56 | Nico_P | IMO that would hurt rockbox's image |
| 20:24:03 | scorche|w | if it was a minor release (0.9), maybe...but i would definitely wait for that to be solved for a "big" release (1.0) |
| 20:24:12 | JdGordon|w | well.. dont call it release... call it stable |
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| 20:24:23 | preglow | and that's really the essence of it, when people ask if they should buy an ipod and stuff rockbox on it, i say "no, unless..." |
| 20:24:36 | preglow | default answer certainly isn't "yes!" as for the other targets |
| 20:25:12 | * | scorche|w goes the optimist route with "you should if you are looking for..." |
| 20:25:16 | preglow | JdGordon|w: i don't see the point in a release just being "stable", i want a release to be "reasonable bug-free, works great" |
| 20:25:27 | preglow | there's no point to "stable" for rockbox, i think |
| 20:26:02 | JdGordon|w | wasnt the point for a "release" for the people who just want a stable build which wont break that they can leave for months before updatung again? |
| 20:26:09 | preglow | a release can potentially garner a lot of publicity, and i want that to be positive publicity |
| 20:26:23 | BigBambi | Releasing the ipods as are will just result in loads of, "Rockbox is crap, it kills my battery" |
| 20:26:32 | scorche|w | indeed...especially with how many people have been looking for a release |
| 20:26:32 | preglow | yes |
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| 20:26:35 | jhMikeS | which aspect of that patch is really responsible for the power saving? I hope that clocking changes are just part of an experiment since they're certainly not proper for any kind of inclusion. |
| 20:26:36 | preglow | BigBambi: we already see that |
| 20:26:42 | JdGordon|w | hmm... yeah stupid internets and bvery fast news |
| 20:26:43 | preglow | jhMikeS: they're an experiment |
| 20:26:56 | preglow | jhMikeS: at least afaik, i think the power savings lie elsewhere |
| 20:26:57 | BigBambi | preglow: I know, but my point was at least we can say it hasn't been released yet |
| 20:27:05 | preglow | BigBambi: yep, indeed |
| 20:27:32 | preglow | but on the other hand, a release not including ipods would suck in a major way |
| 20:31:34 | Nico_P | it would certainly generate much less publicity |
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| 20:33:20 | shirour | hi..! any m:robe devs around? |
| 20:33:46 | JdGordon|w | hey |
| 20:35:16 | * | jhMikeS needs to know if greylib with uncached buffers functions nicely with mpegplayer on a PP502x device. PP5002/grey is a bust for mpegplayer no matter what ever happens unless greylib somehow becomes well over 2x as fast. |
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| 20:46:10 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I have a few ideas how to speed up the greylib, short of a few tests I need to do on SH1 first |
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| 20:46:40 | amiconn | Btw, the architecture with most optimisation potential for the greylib is coldfire. |
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| 20:47:31 | amiconn | PP502x is already optimal update-speed wise (the lcd bridge is the limiting factor), at least on mini G2 (bridge in serial mode) |
| 20:48:03 | amiconn | I was unable to test on PP5002 so far, as the build I tried showed the infamous PP5002 crash :( |
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| 20:49:30 | jhMikeS | amiconn: just add some noops into main.c and it should work again if you add the right number. |
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| 20:50:06 | preglow | what a lovely bug that is |
| 20:50:30 | JdGordon|w | not quite a show stopper yet though :p |
| 20:50:56 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Did you check for a periodicity in behaviour when adding nops? |
| 20:51:02 | preglow | jhMikeS: did the binary searching through revisions yield any info at all? |
| 20:51:21 | jhMikeS | amiconn: btw, I divided the grey update rate by 2 and there still wasn't enough CPU left to decode audio |
| 20:52:14 | jhMikeS | amiconn: A little bit and I didn't have a definite pattern. I should check further. |
| 20:52:21 | amiconn | preglow: It started with jhMikeS' scheduler updates. After than, some versions work and some don't, without recognisable pattern so far |
| 20:52:22 | jhMikeS | preglow: abolutely nothing |
| 20:52:35 | preglow | so you did find out which commit caused it, yes |
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| 20:53:29 | jhMikeS | preglow: it's not that simple as showing up at that time. I used a different bootloader revision and suddenly I had no failures on other revisions that didn't work. :\ |
| 20:53:58 | * | Buschel buschel is trying to track down the clicking issues with his patch (and has of course taken into account jhMikes comments:) |
| 20:54:08 | jhMikeS | but there was no bootloader revision that prevented failures on all revisions |
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| 20:56:22 | jhMikeS | anyhew, I'm pretty sure PP502x should work with uncached buffers since the memory is fast there. It doesn't even affect PP5002 very much to do that. It looks better too. |
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| 20:57:27 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Btw, I thought about your suggestion. I will most probably add the possibility to use some separate memory (i.e. iram) for the _grey_info structure |
| 20:57:58 | amiconn | This should especially help on cf since it contains the gamma/linearisation lookup table |
| 20:59:12 | amiconn | Another idea is to separate the value and phase arrays, allowing to write phases back in bursts (32 bit or even 128 bit) |
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| 20:59:56 | amiconn | But that separation might slow things down on SH1 because data can end up too far away for fast page mode to work efficiently - that's what I need to test |
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| 21:01:12 | jhMikeS | a big deal to have different arrangements for each processor? |
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| 21:02:12 | jhMikeS | why not interleave bursts so it's something in-between parallel arrays and structs? |
| 21:02:17 | amiconn | Might be possible, but it means processor specific code in addition to the lcd format specific code |
| 21:02:23 | evilnick | Hey all. Can anyone confirm (for definite) that the Samsung HS122JC will work in a H3*0/Gigabeat F without any hardware adapters? |
| 21:02:33 | evilnick | I'm itching to upgrade from 60GB! |
| 21:03:30 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Right now the phase data *must* be written back in byte quantities, as the write back must not touch the (interwoven) pixel values. |
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| 21:04:19 | krazykit | evilnick, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
| 21:04:45 | amiconn | Doing that would risk losing some pixel updates (depending on what runs in isr context and what does not) |
| 21:05:10 | amiconn | In fact even a slighly higher load in the isr on SH1 might be tolerable, as it's actually a tradeoff |
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| 21:05:50 | amiconn | Separating values and phases allows further optimisation of scrolling and filling |
| 21:06:03 | pixelma | evilnick: IIRC there was someone around who saw an offer on ebay and "asked the seller a question", but no answer to it so far (or wasn't reported here) |
| 21:06:26 | markun | evilnick: hi evlinick! |
| 21:06:46 | markun | I don't think anyone can confirm this. Did you find a place where you can buy them? |
| 21:06:51 | evilnick | Cheers pixelma (& krazykit) - I'll keep checking the IRC logs religiously. I'd wager that I'm looking at the same auction. |
| 21:07:07 | evilnick | markun: ebay only. http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Samsung-120-GB-1-8-Hard-Drive-SpinPoint-HS122JC_W0QQitemZ230209131362QQihZ013QQcategoryZ42184QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 21:07:27 | evilnick | The lack of return policy makes me want clarification before I take the plunge. |
| 21:08:37 | jhMikeS | I was thinking struct grey_data { unsigned char phase[4]; unsigned char value[4]; }; to interleave things <= replace "4" with anything convenient. |
| 21:10:05 | amiconn | Yeah - but that's more difficult to handle on SH1 than a full separation |
| 21:10:40 | amiconn | The nastiness lies in the registers allowed for the more complex addressing modes |
| 21:11:52 | amiconn | Register indexing requires r0 as one of the registers, and fixed indexing (a) only works with positive indices and (b) requires r0 as the data register (for 8-bit and 16-bit accesses) |
| 21:14:09 | Buschel | DEV_EN |= 0x1 is set in wmcodec- and as3514-init for PP502x. at least my ipod (5G) does not need this bit to be set at all. any ideas about it? |
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| 21:15:12 | toffe82 | evilnick:on the samsung site the HS122JC says interface PATA and if it is zif like the HS122JB it says PATA/ZIF , the interface of the hs122jc should be the good one for the gigabeat F but somebody has to try or at least see one |
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| 21:18:22 | evilnick | toffe82 - yeah, it's the chump who ponies up $205 only to find that it's not right that I'd feel sorry for! Although I'm sorely tempted to be that guinea-pig... |
| 21:19:01 | evilnick | Isn't there different types of PATA too? Like the 40-pin, 50-pin, 40-pin wide etc? |
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| 21:21:04 | jhMikeS | Buschel: Odd, I see no addition of that bit in the e200 reg dumps from the emulator. |
| 21:21:15 | amiconn | 1.8" HDDs come with at least 5 different connectors |
| 21:21:18 | jhMikeS | Perhaps it's "1" by defualt? |
| 21:21:54 | Buschel | jhMikeS: the bit ist within a DEV_EN |= (DEV_I2S | 0x7) |
| 21:22:13 | Buschel | *is set |
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| 21:24:11 | Buschel | btw, the click-noise in my patch seems not to be connected to the PLL-disable/enable. removing "PROC_CTL(CURRENT_CORE) = 0x420000c8;" in CPU_MAX_FREQ seems to solve the problem |
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| 21:25:16 | Buschel | ...needs more testing though |
| 21:25:31 | jhMikeS | if I read it correctly, you removed the scale_suspend_core(false) calls just before doing lock waits too. |
| 21:25:36 | jhMikeS | or at least some |
| 21:26:03 | Buschel | jhMikeS: no, they were'nt removed. I just moved these calls into the switch-case statements for better readability |
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| 21:26:35 | Buschel | jhMikeS: and i restored your scale_suspend_core-method to have the correct handling even when called from COP |
| 21:27:36 | jhMikeS | 32 clocks should leave plenty of time to refill even at 24Mhz. it's only .0588 samples |
| 21:27:48 | Buschel | btw, I saw in the logs that you've said the PP5024 doesnt't set the relock bit in PLL_STATUS? |
| 21:28:14 | Buschel | is this why there is an additional udelay(250) before the while loop? |
| 21:28:17 | jhMikeS | I checked it out of curiousity and never saw it set |
| 21:28:35 | jhMikeS | yes, it was found to not be really reliable |
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| 21:30:56 | Buschel | another question: why there is an "PROC_CTL(CURRENT_CORE) = 0x4800001f; nop;" in svn after setting the freqency to 24MHz and disabling PLL? |
| 21:31:22 | jhMikeS | using core/othercore is required |
| 21:31:49 | Buschel | hmm, that was just copied from svn? |
| 21:31:50 | jhMikeS | it's not a COP/CPU thing but is symmetrical |
| 21:32:30 | jhMikeS | It was just put there as an additional safety....let me look again it's been awhile |
| 21:33:07 | Buschel | the interesting thing is that exactly the command which was mentioned in MrH's document caused the glitch in my patch :/ |
| 21:34:38 | Buschel | DEV_TIMING1 is understood as a configuration for wait states? |
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| 21:35:05 | jhMikeS | just a delay before selecting the final source |
| 21:35:52 | jhMikeS | it appears the PLL is disabled already though at 24 MHz |
| 21:36:46 | Buschel | but the current consumption isn't influenced (~30uA from saratogas measurement) −− i hoped for some gain... |
| 21:36:54 | jhMikeS | it's because there was no delay loop in place there |
| 21:38:07 | jhMikeS | that much could be from varying voltage levels on the battery |
| 21:38:13 | preglow | are you sure you're actually disabling the pll and not just deselecting it as clock source? |
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| 21:39:23 | Buschel | preglow: i cannot be sure as there is no documentation... |
| 21:39:36 | jhMikeS | you associate a clock source (1,2,3,4) with a particular clock (PLL, etc.) then select a clock source from 1,2,3,or4. Bit 31 should be the PLL enable bit. |
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| 21:40:16 | Buschel | jhMikeS: this one is disabled, as well as DEV_INIT2 bit 30 |
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| 21:43:12 | jhMikeS | another thing is only PP5020 seems to have required this mucking around with delays and everything that's done is needed for that. I don't think PP5022+ do. |
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| 21:44:33 | jhMikeS | PP5024 definitely has no issue with DA or UD if not bothering with that |
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| 21:46:51 | Buschel_ | my damn WLAN |
| 21:48:00 | preglow | all wlans are damned |
| 21:48:08 | jhMikeS | btw, the SPC codec is the one to use when testing scaling with both cores fully active |
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| 21:52:29 | Horschti | hi |
| 21:53:39 | evilnick | A fellow XBMC user! Nice. |
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| 21:56:07 | Horschti | no way |
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| 21:56:52 | Horschti | anyways. It's not possible to upgrade a 5th generation Ipod with a 6th gen firmware, correct? |
| 21:57:06 | Horschti | so, any 5th or 5.5th gen Ipod would be safe to buy |
| 21:57:37 | scorche|w | correct |
| 21:58:02 | linuxstb | Horschti: The hardware is completely different, which is why Rockbox doesn't work on the 6th gen. |
| 21:58:33 | Horschti | ok, so to my next question (yes, sorry Ipod specific, I know) |
| 21:58:58 | Horschti | do the 6th gen Ipods (ipod classics) have ipod classic written on their box? |
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| 22:00:31 | Horschti | cause I don't want to be ending up buying a 6th gen for obvious reasons :) |
| 22:01:06 | jhMikeS | hmmm...3g could play Elephants Dream _iff_ graylib would leave enough juice to decode audio. video decodes quite fast. |
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| 22:02:42 | amiconn | ...and if it would not crash before you can try :/ |
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| 22:03:26 | jhMikeS | nop; nop; nop; nop; nop; ;d |
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| 22:05:38 | stripwax_ | Horschti - if it looks like the ones on Apple's website for the Ipod Classic , then it's an Ipod Classic |
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| 22:07:26 | Horschti | stripwax, sorry. I thought the classic would look similar to the video. classic has metal aluminum housing, does the video not? |
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| 22:08:11 | stripwax | Horschti - the ipod video has a semiopaque plastic front (either white or black) and a chrome back. the classic is entirely metal case, slightly dulled I think |
| 22:08:20 | Horschti | http://i2.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/d0/f1/a1e9_1.JPG |
| 22:08:24 | Horschti | that a video then? |
| 22:08:51 | Horschti | looks like it, but again, I just want to be 100% sure |
| 22:09:10 | stripwax | Horschti - hard to tell from that photo alone whether the face of that is plastic or metal ... |
| 22:09:36 | stripwax | Horschti - my video came in the same design of packaging, however, fwiw. I don't know what the ipod classic packaging looks like however. |
| 22:10:27 | krazykit | it looks sort of matte there, like the classic |
| 22:10:48 | stripwax | Horschti - this is apparently the packaging for the classic : http://media.arstechnica.com/journals/apple.media/ipodunboxing9.jpg |
| 22:11:15 | amiconn | jhMikeS: How many nops did you need, and where exactly did you insert them? |
| 22:11:16 | stripwax | Horschti - by the way, the Classic has noticably rounded edges and a curved front - the front of the video is completely flat. |
| 22:11:22 | Horschti | that ipod looks a lot more shiner than the one in my picture |
| 22:11:43 | * | amiconn thinks that this method might actually help to pinpoint the spot where alignment goes wrong |
| 22:11:49 | krazykit | Horschti, there's a slip of plastic over it |
| 22:11:50 | stripwax | Horschti - so from the packaging, yours looks like a video .. but if you're bidding on ebay don't forget to ask the seller.. |
| 22:12:00 | Horschti | I... just bought it |
| 22:12:09 | stripwax | great! :) |
| 22:12:14 | Buschel_ | stripwax: could you test whether i solved the glitching with the new patch −− with my files i cannot hear it anymore |
| 22:12:19 | stripwax | will do! |
| 22:12:33 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it varies. I inserted them in the first function in main.c just out of convenience. |
| 22:12:37 | Horschti | hell, even if it's a classic, it's only 199€ |
| 22:12:55 | Horschti | but the fact that it's a used 80GB model, makes me confident |
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| 22:14:38 | preglow | Domonoky: is rbutil .talk clip generation stable and good? |
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| 22:22:46 | Horschti | it's awwwwwright! seller confirmed it's a 5th gen ipod! I win! |
| 22:23:06 | stripwax | Horschti - welcome to rockbox! :) |
| 22:23:18 | Horschti | who said i will install rockbox on it |
| 22:23:19 | Horschti | :p |
| 22:23:35 | Horschti | </joke> |
| 22:23:44 | * | stripwax ~~ you will install rockbox on it ~~ |
| 22:23:54 | Horschti | you forgot *waves hand* |
| 22:24:01 | stripwax | heh |
| 22:24:17 | Horschti | anyways, I will be a happy rockbox user I assume |
| 22:25:16 | stripwax | Buschel - out of interest, how can I most easily test whether DEV_EN bit 0 is needed for anything? I vaguely recall mention of a plugin that lets you fiddle with DEV_EN & GPIO bits, is there one or did I imagine that? |
| 22:25:50 | preglow | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8054 ? |
| 22:25:53 | stripwax | Of course I could just rebuild with that change taken out and see if there's any observable difference |
| 22:26:16 | Buschel_ | stripwax: I also read about such plugin a while ago. But I tweaked it bit by bit with several builds |
| 22:26:27 | stripwax | preglow - aye, that looks like it. |
| 22:26:57 | Buschel_ | stripwax: you could also just use the patch and try whether there is any flaw |
| 22:27:35 | stripwax | Buschel_- oh, wow! So that's a huge manual effort - I assumed you just flipped bits to see what would happen (e.g. for opto power) |
| 22:28:16 | Buschel_ | well, at least some of these bits already were documented in pp5020.h |
| 22:28:25 | stripwax | Buschel_ - will do. and will also give that gpio plugin a whirl, or at least take a look at seeing what's needed for ipod 5g |
| 22:28:31 | stripwax | Buschel_ - true |
| 22:28:44 | Hans-Martin | If I want to dynamically allocate memory in a plugin, which buffer is the preferred one? plugin_get_buffer() or plugin_get_audio_buffer()? |
| 22:28:45 | * | stripwax is still building - slow laptop builds here |
| 22:29:07 | stripwax | Hans-Martin - static allocation would be preferable, what is it you need to do? |
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| 22:29:46 | GodEater | Hans-Martin: but if you want a buffer, use the plain one first - if you use the audio one then playback gets stopped. |
| 22:30:23 | Hans-Martin | stripwax: I'm tinkering with DSP effects, and I want to be able to dynamically allocate memory to effects for different configurations |
| 22:31:15 | Hans-Martin | GodEater: since this would be an audio processing plugin (I've shamelessly copied code from preglow and jhMikeS) it does not run in parallel with playback |
| 22:31:22 | Buschel_ | regarding power savings: anyone ever thought about reducing the WPS updates? e.g. only updating the screen, if there has something changed? i played around with it and dropped it because i could find a smart way... |
| 22:31:32 | * | pixelma read the logs and is confused about Llorean's opinion about the "voice" part in a new translation... |
| 22:31:49 | Buschel_ | the last time i checked WPS-updates (full screen updates) were done 5x per second |
| 22:31:50 | GodEater | Hans-Martin: well the audio_buffer is much the larger of the two |
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| 22:32:20 | Hans-Martin | GodEater: ok, then it's most likely the right choice. |
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| 22:33:00 | amiconn | gah |
| 22:33:03 | stripwax | Buschel_ - hm, 5x per second even if nothing changes (no scrolling lines, nothing)? |
| 22:33:08 | GodEater | Hans-Martin: for example, on a 32MB ipod, it'll be around 26MB |
| 22:33:19 | Llorean | pixelma: Shouldn't the "Voice" part remain in English (or roman character phrases approximating phonetic pronunciation) if there's no text to speech engine that can pronounce the language in question? |
| 22:33:28 | pixelma | or rather translating a language which is seldom spoken and there might not be a TTS engine (how would one know)? |
| 22:33:29 | amiconn | Using separate value and phase buffers hits SH1 quite noticeably |
| 22:33:35 | Hans-Martin | GodEater: I have an iriver, which is also 32MB if I'm not mistaken |
| 22:33:43 | GodEater | I think so :) |
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| 22:33:54 | amiconn | 71% CPU load -> 87% CPU load caused by the isr |
| 22:33:57 | Buschel_ | stripwax: that's what I saw. e.g. runtime is internally changing each second, but 5 updates per second do still occur. |
| 22:35:09 | Llorean | pixelma: I just think that it's better that if someone tries to create a voice in a language, that they get English, rather than garbled nonsense. But I guess, I should've been more clear it was my opinion. |
| 22:35:33 | pixelma | Llorean: why? (1) You can't be sure if there is a TTS somewhere. (2) I think it is easier to just translate both while at it. (3) If there is no TTS you can just build an english voice file (or whatever your preferred TTS option is) and rename it. |
| 22:35:36 | Buschel_ | stripwax: i could reduce it to 1 per second, but for the costs of vast ram usage −− i am not smart enough *sniff* |
| 22:35:59 | stripwax | Buschel_ - hm, but then again the elapsed/remaining times will update out of step unless the track is a whole number of seconds in length, so maybe mulitple updates per second is needed for that reason (and 5x is a compromise)? |
| 22:36:32 | stripwax | and iirc we don't do partial lcd updates any more (at least on ipod 5g) so it's all or nothing |
| 22:36:36 | Llorean | pixelma: Maybe so. |
| 22:36:39 | pixelma | Llorean: why garbled nonsense? |
| 22:36:54 | Buschel_ | stripwax: you can calculate the remaining via total[s]-elapsed[s]. the it's updating synchroniously |
| 22:37:03 | Buschel_ | *then |
| 22:37:47 | stripwax | Hm, but total is not a whole number of seconds. So presumably you have to round up total[s] for that to work reasonably well. |
| 22:38:20 | Llorean | pixelma: If it's a language not supported in common TTS engines, if someone tries to get it to speak the strings, they'll most likely get entirely unusable nonsense. |
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| 22:38:41 | Llorean | At least with languages like Hindi, if they're using the proper character set. |
| 22:38:45 | Buschel_ | stripwax: that's what i meant to say with [s]. you have round before subtracting. |
| 22:39:19 | Buschel_ | stripwax: nevertheless it looks quite fine in reality |
| 22:39:34 | Llorean | Bagder: I agree with your posts on Releases. Particularly in that we need to have someone who's willing to both prioritize the bugs, and take the blame when he says "This bug is acceptable, users can get by with it" |
| 22:39:46 | stripwax | Personally I like the way that elapsed and remaining are unsynchronised. Maybe that's just me? I like that the remaining time would tick to zero at the moment the track changes |
| 22:39:59 | Llorean | I think that's the difficult with being a release manager. You're volunteering to take the blame for every problem users have with the release, in a way. |
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| 22:40:19 | pixelma | Llorean: hmm I see, guess it has two sides of the medal - e.g. I was annoyed why there were no swedish voice strings for a long time (now fixed) while I knew there is a free TTS which can handle that... |
| 22:40:24 | GodEater | Llorean: did you notice me volunteer you too ? :) |
| 22:40:36 | stripwax | If you round, the track could end a tiny moment after it says you have 1 second remaining, which seems incorrect. |
| 22:40:43 | Llorean | GodEater: I did, in fact. And I'm actually kinda experienced at taking the blame already, but there's also an issue of "qualified" :- |
| 22:40:44 | Buschel_ | stripwax: i am thinking about reducing the update ratio when backlight is off or the hold switch is on. at least for my local build, and just to increase runtime :) |
| 22:40:45 | Llorean | :-P |
| 22:40:48 | xufumon | I see that the 80GB Ipod Video is listed in the rockbox releases. Would the 80GB Ipod video 6th generations be supported? |
| 22:40:49 | * | stripwax is wondering if he's too picky :) |
| 22:41:03 | GodEater | xufumon: no |
| 22:41:04 | stripwax | Buschel_ - oh, that would be neat |
| 22:41:15 | BigBambi | xufumon: You will also notice it specifically says not the classic |
| 22:41:17 | GodEater | Llorean: you don't think you're qualified |
| 22:41:22 | Llorean | pixelma: Yeah. Actually, I think the *best* solution would be to write the "English" spelling of words, if there's not a known native engine, so that maybe English TTSes can speak them. |
| 22:41:22 | xufumon | GodEater: 5.5 Generation Ipod Video? |
| 22:41:25 | stripwax | yes |
| 22:41:44 | Buschel_ | stripwax: exactly :o) normally i do not watch the display when listening to music from my ipod which is in my pocket :) |
| 22:41:45 | BigBambi | xufumon: It also specifically says that the 5.5 G is supported |
| 22:41:50 | GodEater | xufumon: the front page states quite clearly which models are supported |
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| 22:42:02 | pixelma | Llorean: that sounds (pun?) weird too... :) |
| 22:42:08 | BigBambi | (it being the front page of the website) |
| 22:42:13 | BigBambi | GodEater: Gah! |
| 22:42:15 | Llorean | GodEater: Not for determining the difficulty of bugs. Specifically, "is it likely to delay release too much" vs "how much does it affect the user" for deciding to accept bugs as "it's going to be there" |
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| 22:42:26 | pixelma | Llorean: what if I used a german TTS? ;) |
| 22:42:33 | GodEater | Llorean: That's true - but you can decide what impact a bug might have |
| 22:42:43 | GodEater | and you can get good feedback here on how hard the bug is to quash |
| 22:42:45 | Llorean | pixelma: What we need are two Voice: strings. VoiceEng: and VoiceNat: |
| 22:42:58 | GodEater | so you could make your descision based on that |
| 22:43:04 | Llorean | GodEater: True. |
| 22:43:34 | GodEater | I don't believe there is anyone one person uniquely qualified on all counts |
| 22:43:46 | GodEater | but I believe you're the best of the available people :) |
| 22:44:16 | stripwax | Buschel_ - another thing that could rock: reducing the scrolling speed after a while of user interface inactivity + hold switch to reduce the frequency of updates due to scrolling text in wps. |
| 22:44:25 | GodEater | so if the RM is to be decided by a vote, then you get mine. |
| 22:44:28 | stripwax | Almost certainly controversial here tho. |
| 22:44:58 | BigBambi | GodEater: A vote for a dictator? :) |
| 22:45:11 | GodEater | Zagor's the dictator ;) |
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| 22:46:28 | Buschel_ | stripwax: maybe i'll just switch off the wps if backlight is off _and_ hold is on. that's my normal usecase for listening. |
| 22:46:33 | stripwax | Buschel_ - do you happen to know how often the screen would be updated while a list view or main menu is up, rather than wps (= soap's methodology) |
| 22:46:49 | Buschel_ | stripwax: 0fps |
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| 22:47:06 | Llorean | GodEater: I think another thing with release, is we need a plan *going into it* for a way to keep each Dev's work separate. |
| 22:47:06 | Llorean | So that if something gets worse in the process of fixing it and we run out of time, we can strip out all previous commits relating to it. Basically, it needs to be easy enough for the Release Manager to pick and choose among the work done during the freeze, for which to keep and which to toss. |
| 22:47:08 | Llorean | Obviously this is where someone says "Git", right? |
| 22:47:24 | GodEater | git! |
| 22:47:25 | stripwax | Buschel_ - no. I mean, for testing, go right ahead :-) But I certainly use/need the wps even when backlight is off + hold, and other targets with transflective screens should keep this feature |
| 22:47:26 | BigBambi | Git! |
| 22:47:48 | BigBambi | damn! I keep losing to GodEater tonight in the speed typing stakes |
| 22:47:52 | stripwax | ok, 0fps is cool :) |
| 22:48:00 | GodEater | hehe |
| 22:48:12 | GodEater | that sticky 'c' key again huh BigBambi ? |
| 22:48:28 | BigBambi | I can't blame typing "Git!" slowly on that sadly |
| 22:48:38 | GodEater | true |
| 22:48:56 | Buschel_ | stripwax: we could add it as an option. should be quite interesting for our blind users. |
| 22:49:21 | GodEater | Llorean: I think it would then be the RM's choice as to how he does that work |
| 22:49:30 | GodEater | but yes, you're right - it would be nice to have a plan to start off with |
| 22:49:45 | Llorean | GodEater: That's what went wrong with the last release. Too by the seat of our pants. |
| 22:50:09 | GodEater | Do we have a list left over from the release that never was ? |
| 22:50:38 | Llorean | GodEater: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo |
| 22:50:44 | GodEater | I thought so |
| 22:50:46 | stripwax | Buschel_ - is there a lot of power saving to be had there? I know soap and I saw about -3hrs impact with peakmeters enabled, but I sortof thought the overall impact of wps vs no-wps was quite a bit smaller |
| 22:50:53 | GodEater | is it a good starting place do you think ? |
| 22:50:56 | Llorean | Yes |
| 22:51:17 | Llorean | What we need to do is start getting *everybody's* ideas on what a release "Should" include now. |
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| 22:51:52 | GodEater | a lot of those things (at least to me) would appear to be done now anyway |
| 22:51:57 | Llorean | Then the RM needs to go down that list and strike things off. |
| 22:52:02 | BigBambi | PS3 emulator? |
| 22:52:03 | Horschti | Wow, Rockbox themes look nice. I anticipated them to be more basic, but.... damn! |
| 22:52:08 | * | GodEater suggests a vote on the forum ;) |
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| 22:52:15 | BigBambi | GodEater: urgh |
| 22:52:22 | GodEater | BigBambi: pfgh - you're aiming low as usual :) |
| 22:52:29 | BigBambi | :) |
| 22:52:58 | codin | is the a way to measure how long last a full charged battery ? I mean a counter or so in rockbox ? |
| 22:52:58 | tabarnakos | does anyone knows how to get user input while programming a plugin |
| 22:53:00 | Buschel_ | stripwax: correct. i don't how peakmeters need to update... assuming 37fps capability of 5G ipod @30Mhz this equals 0.81 MHz per fps. with 5fps you're burning ~4MHz of cpu without taking into acount all the wps-internal stuff |
| 22:53:12 | krazykit | codin, battery_bench |
| 22:53:14 | JdGordon|w | Llorean: well.. the bigger question is really, do we actually want a "Release" or are we happy going how we are... |
| 22:53:20 | Llorean | GodEater: I'm quite sure though that we could manage a release that *users* would find acceptable. We basically need a RM who's willing to temporarily have low standards. |
| 22:53:22 | JdGordon|w | i think its 50:50 on that one |
| 22:53:23 | stripwax | tabarnakos - take a look at the existing plugin source for examples |
| 22:53:35 | Buschel_ | stripwax: 5fps should cost around 1-1.5mA |
| 22:53:38 | GodEater | Llorean: crap - that rules you out then |
| 22:53:48 | Llorean | Oddly enough, it doesn't. |
| 22:53:55 | GodEater | hehe |
| 22:53:58 | GodEater | j/k |
| 22:54:09 | Llorean | I'm just going to be spitting bile and venom at the people who are on the new "other side" for a short while. :-P |
| 22:54:32 | * | GodEater wonders if he'd even notice..... |
| 22:54:36 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 22:54:36 | GodEater | :D |
| 22:54:40 | stripwax | codin - see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BatteryRuntime and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginBatteryBenchmark |
| 22:56:28 | stripwax | Buschel_ - mm, right. so that would be about half an hour given current current measurements and battery life? |
| 22:57:00 | Horschti | night, thanks for your answers earlier on, helped me a lot :) |
| 22:57:05 | Buschel_ | stripwax: depending on battery and codec |
| 22:57:14 | stripwax | Horschti - you're welcome! |
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| 22:58:30 | stripwax | Not insignificant, maybe a nice touch |
| 22:59:31 | Buschel_ | 30min is quite a difference as we're fighting for each mA ;o) |
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| 23:01:57 | Buschel_ | stripwax: i'll leave now and get some sleep −− having an evil meeting with our customer tomorrow. just let me know what your testing results are via IRC, i'm reading the logs. see you! |
| 23:02:24 | stripwax | will do - and thanks! |
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| 23:09:00 | Domonoky | preglow: you asked if .talk generation is stable in rbutil: it should work (latest svn versio) , but it didnt got much testing... |
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| 23:15:51 | bertrik | did someone already test bit 0 of DEV_EN on a sansa? |
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| 23:16:55 | bertrik | (this bit was mentioned as a possible power improvement by buschel in #8379) |
| 23:17:05 | * | jhMikeS could in a moment |
| 23:17:23 | jhMikeS | are A measurements needed or just if it still works? |
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| 23:17:36 | bertrik | I could too, but don't want to do double work |
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| 23:17:50 | stripwax | bertrik - the latest patch disables that bit so, just see if it still works |
| 23:18:07 | bertrik | oh, ok, I'll try that then |
| 23:18:46 | Nico_P | petur: thanks for checking FS #6665 :) |
| 23:18:55 | petur | np |
| 23:19:09 | pixelma | Llorean is too quick in the forums, no wonder he has so many posts ;) |
| 23:19:28 | Nico_P | petur: do you think FS #7825 is ok to cose too? |
| 23:19:42 | petur | probably, just checking it |
| 23:19:50 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The phase/value blocking seems to be a good idea. With some neat trickery, I might even be able to speed up things on SH1 by doing this :) |
| 23:20:24 | stripwax | Hm, are DEV_OPTO and DEV_PIEZO really the same? |
| 23:20:38 | amiconn | Unfortunately it will complicate updating and unbuffered drawing + scrolling for horizontal packing |
| 23:20:46 | petur | Nico_P: all done ;) |
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| 23:21:14 | Nico_P | awesome |
| 23:21:40 | Nico_P | amiconn: I hope you're pleased about the playlist index ;) |
| 23:23:32 | amiconn | Maybe I won't do it for horizontal packing then.... and writing back the pixel values shouldn't cause problems, as that's already inside the isr... |
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| 23:24:04 | amiconn | Nico_P: Didn't try it yet... |
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| 23:31:24 | stripwax | ah, according to the piezo patch, DEV_PIEZO is actually 0x20000, not 0x10000 as defined by pp5020.h |
| 23:34:28 | mlind | Nico_P: Great fix of FS #2687! |
| 23:34:35 | mlind | Nico_P: But the first thing I tried it on was an AIFF. Was Seeking and skipping "always" this buggy with AIFFs? |
| 23:34:37 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
| 23:34:44 | Nico_P | no idea |
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| 23:35:59 | mlind | Nico_P: Ok. Maybe I'll investigate sometime in the future... |
| 23:36:06 | saratoga | bit 0 of DEV_EN can be disabled on teh sansa safely |
| 23:36:19 | preglow | Domonoky: how do you build statically linked qt stuff? |
| 23:36:19 | saratoga | unfortunately i misplaced my notes from that test so i'm not sure what the savings was |
| 23:36:29 | saratoga | definately less then 1 ma though or i'd remember it |
| 23:36:54 | Domonoky | preglow: you have to build qt statically... |
| 23:37:10 | preglow | Domonoky: yeah, but when you have? any qmake options, or? |
| 23:37:41 | Domonoky | hm.. rbutil uses something, one moment.. |
| 23:39:40 | Domonoky | in rbutilqt.pro there is a section for static build, we add STATIC to the defines, and use statically linked qt plugins, so not much special.. |
| 23:40:03 | preglow | hmm, cool |
| 23:40:35 | bertrik | hmmm, latest SVN does not disable bit 0 of DEV_EN it seems |
| 23:40:55 | stripwax | SVN doesn't, no, but Buschel's patch does, I'd have thought |
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| 23:42:09 | saratoga | svn leaves all sorts of stuff enabled |
| 23:42:21 | saratoga | i could turn off something like 7-8 bits with no loss of functionality |
| 23:42:41 | stripwax | saratoga - new bits? any power saving from doing so? |
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| 23:45:57 | * | bertrik wonders why codecs are rebuilt after applying the device_disables patch |
| 23:46:14 | stripwax | header change? |
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| 23:47:34 | bertrik | maybe powermgmt.h |
| 23:47:38 | meyl | hey i dropped my h10, it says 'system files missing' and when connecting in UMS mode it no longer shows up as a drive letter and the iriver firmware updater also can't autodetect it |
| 23:48:37 | saratoga | stripwax: http://pastebin.ca/768034 |
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| 23:50:07 | saratoga | 59.5 to 52.3 ma from disabling those bits FWIW |
| 23:51:13 | saratoga | most of them were small differences, I think USB is the only one that used more then 1 ma |
| 23:51:25 | saratoga | a lot of them just save 100-200 uA a piece |
| 23:52:48 | stripwax | saratoga - the patch disables USB0 already, could the others just be measurement error? would be pretty interesting to find out what on earth they are/do .. |
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| 23:54:00 | bertrik | yay, rockbox still boots on my sansa with patch, but I still see 7 in the lowest nibble of DEV_EN |
| 23:54:19 | bertrik | probably caused by code on line 150 of as3514.c |
| 23:55:10 | advcomp2019 | meyl, your drive might be bad now |
| 23:55:18 | meyl | advcomp2019 indeed |
| 23:55:23 | meyl | is there a way to test? |
| 23:55:26 | meyl | or perhaps replace the drive? |
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| 23:55:44 | saratoga | stripwax: I think i can measure >100uA quite easily |
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| 23:56:19 | stripwax | saratoga - oh - you're measuring actual current (rather than just implied from battery tests)? nice. |
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