| 00:00:15 | advcomp2019 | meyl, you are able to replace the hard drive.. read the wiki on hard drive replacements |
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| 00:06:04 | bertrik | I disabled setting of lowest 3 bits in DEV_IN in as3514.c but the debug menu still shows that the bits are set |
| 00:06:26 | bertrik | Could it be the bootloader that sets them? I haven't updated it yet |
| 00:07:46 | saratoga | bertrik: where are you disabling them? |
| 00:08:12 | bertrik | I'm not actively disabling them, just updated the code to not set them |
| 00:08:37 | bertrik | ok, maybe I should make a test to actively clear the bits |
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| 00:17:37 | bertrik | actively clearing bit0 of DEV_EN worked, the IO ports debug screen shows it's indeed disabled and the sansa still works fine |
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| 00:25:06 | evilnick | OK, have bitten the bullet and ordered one of those 120GB Samsung drives now I hope and pray that it'll fit my Gigabeat F! |
| 00:25:20 | BigBambi | I await the report with interest |
| 00:25:25 | evilnick | Will report back when it arrives, which should be 10th or 11th. |
| 00:25:37 | BigBambi | Cool, I'd love one myself |
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| 00:26:25 | evilnick | I'm only hoping that I'm doing the right thing. Ah well, nothing ventured, nothing gained and all that. |
| 00:26:29 | evilnick | bye all |
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| 00:30:06 | * | Nico_P has another bugfix ready: FS #6215 :) |
| 00:31:34 | * | Llorean likes bug fixes. |
| 00:32:58 | jhMikeS | every time I load a plugin on H120 all text output dies now :\ |
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| 00:40:25 | * | jhMikeS hasn't updated to viewport changes while working on other things but decided to plunge in |
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| 00:40:56 | * | amiconn managed to reduce greyscale isr cpu load on archos recorder from 71% to 55% ! |
| 00:41:41 | jhMikeS | \o/ Does that potentially translate to others? |
| 00:41:58 | amiconn | At least to coldfire (H1x0 and M5) |
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| 00:45:06 | amiconn | And to Ondio, of course ;) lcd_grey_phase_blit is now only slightly slower than plain lcd_update |
| 00:45:24 | amiconn | (lcd_blit(), i.e. old graylib, caused 48% cpu load on recorder) |
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| 00:50:40 | Llorean | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleasePlanning ? Do people have thoughts? |
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| 00:53:14 | Nico_P | Llorean: maybe mention how the branching could be handled (if needed) |
| 00:53:31 | Llorean | I don't know enough about Git. |
| 00:53:50 | Llorean | I just know it'd be really nice to have as easy a method to pick and choose what advancements during the freeze go in and which don't. |
| 00:53:52 | Nico_P | Llorean: I mean in SVN, for release branches and tags |
| 00:54:34 | linuxstb | Llorean: Starting at the end, I'm not sure downloadable release packages are feasible, given the number of combinations of targets, optional packages (voice, doom, themes etc) and platforms rbutil runs on. I think it would be easier to just have "Version 3.0" listed as an option in rbutil, and just tell people to download rbutil. |
| 00:54:53 | Llorean | linuxstb: If we go the rbutil path, that's definitely the better plan |
| 00:55:24 | Llorean | But there really aren't that many combinations. I think we should include doom, extra fonts, all "official" themes (ie, ones in SVN which we do anyway) in one zip if we decide rbutil isn't ready. |
| 00:55:26 | Nico_P | I think we should still have a basic set of packages |
| 00:55:33 | Llorean | So it's still one package per target. |
| 00:55:39 | Llorean | People shouldn't be downloading the "release" more than once anyway |
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| 00:55:45 | Nico_P | indeed |
| 00:56:51 | linuxstb | Your wiki page says "every file needed for installation" - I assumed that included the installer tools? |
| 00:57:08 | Llorean | If we go the ipodpatcher/fwpatcher/whatever route, then yes. |
| 00:57:26 | Domonoky | the problem with not using rbutil for the release is mor the bootloader install... ( ie bootloader for h120/h300 on linux.. (no binarys aviable).. |
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| 00:57:35 | Llorean | The iPod Nano build would be ipodpatcher, fonts, doom, and rockbox.zip, and manual.pdf, basically. |
| 00:57:43 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Yes there is - mkboot. |
| 00:57:56 | Domonoky | ah... i forgot about those tools... |
| 00:57:57 | linuxstb | (and scramble/descramble IIRC) |
| 00:58:02 | Domonoky | i rebuilt them in rbutil.. :-) |
| 00:58:05 | Llorean | I'd _much_ rather use rbutil. |
| 00:58:20 | Llorean | I'm just saying that if we don't, we should have a "single download" path for 3.0 users. |
| 00:58:24 | Domonoky | but rbutil would need more testing to use it for a release.. |
| 00:58:36 | Nico_P | I'm having a doubt about what I just committed... it works but how come I'm allowed to change one of the args? |
| 00:58:43 | linuxstb | Llorean: Even if that means #targets * #host OSes ? |
| 00:59:28 | linuxstb | But anyway, let's hope rbutil is OK for the release ;) |
| 00:59:33 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 00:59:37 | Llorean | Right now let's hope RButil is okay. |
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| 01:00:17 | Llorean | I just think one-package is useful for helping to keep the articles about Rockbox that are sure to pop again point to the right stuff, and ONLY the right stuff, since they only have to direct people to one file. |
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| 01:02:07 | Llorean | Could rbutil be stripped down as a release installer? Remove anything that could confuse it, or introduce bugs, and concentrate on the core "Get Rockbox, put Rockbox on player, do bootloader" bits? |
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| 01:03:17 | Domonoky | Llorean: could be possible, but its a bit work... |
| 01:03:32 | Llorean | Well, I'm just presenting ideas at this point. |
| 01:03:42 | Llorean | You RButil guys will need something to do during the freeze anyway. :-P |
| 01:03:46 | amiconn | hrrrm |
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| 01:04:07 | Domonoky | i thinkt it would be enough if the small and complete install options are throghout tested... the the user onaly has to press the first buttons... shouldnt be too hard.. :-) |
| 01:04:12 | Llorean | But right now, I just want to collect ideas on what's necessary, in general terms, to handle a release. |
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| 01:12:47 | preglow | Llorean: i don't see why we would need to strip it down, just pronouncing the install feature would do |
| 01:12:55 | preglow | like a big "install rockbox" button on the start screen |
| 01:14:29 | Llorean | Quite true. |
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| 01:16:13 | Arinoth | Your configuration is invalid. This is most likely due to a new installation of Rockbox Utility or a changed device path. The configuation dialog will now open to allow you correcting the problem." anyone else get that problem before with trying to run rockbox on ubuntu? |
| 01:16:30 | Arinoth | the rockbox utlity i should specify |
| 01:16:58 | Domonoky | Arinoth: just configure rbutil, thats normal for the first start of rbutil.. |
| 01:17:25 | Arinoth | but no matter how many times i configure it , it says it again and again |
| 01:17:53 | Domonoky | then its a bug, and it somehow doesnt save the config.. |
| 01:18:29 | Domonoky | could you open a bug in the patch tracker, and describe it as exactly as possible, please ? |
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| 01:23:24 | Nico_P | amiconn: can you tell me whether it's wrong to do an affectation on an argument? I did it in my latest commit and I'm having doubts |
| 01:23:51 | amiconn | A what? |
| 01:24:20 | Nico_P | change an argument's value |
| 01:24:39 | amiconn | You mean within a function? |
| 01:25:05 | Nico_P | yes. in my latest commit, offset is an argument of the current func in both cases |
| 01:25:23 | amiconn | Ah, yes |
| 01:25:38 | amiconn | Of course you can. This has no effect outside the function, only within |
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| 01:25:59 | Domonoky | you are allowed to change the value of parameters, you only have to be carefull of the effect.. |
| 01:26:00 | Nico_P | that's what I thought, but I just wanted to check it wasn't a bad practice |
| 01:26:13 | amiconn | I'm doing this very often... |
| 01:27:05 | Nico_P | ok then all good :) |
| 01:27:47 | amiconn | It helps saving quite a few local variables.. |
| 01:28:18 | amiconn | The compiler would optimise them away anyway if they're not needed, but it also means less writing :) |
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| 01:31:37 | Nico_P | Bagder: have you tried getting rockbox into scan.coverity.com? |
| 01:33:13 | kugel | wondering why MPEG_SCROLL_UP is needed in mpeg_settings.c |
| 01:33:55 | kugel | there's no reason, except assigning two buttons for 1 action (in/decrease start time per 1 second) |
| 01:34:34 | kugel | it does the same as MPEG_LEFT/RIGHT, however if you didn't define MPEG_LEFT/RIGHT you can't compile |
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| 01:40:12 | amiconn | kugel: Is it the same on all targets? |
| 01:40:32 | kugel | what do you mean? |
| 01:41:02 | kugel | defining MPEG_SCROLL is optional, it does the same as MPEG_LEFT which you need to define |
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| 01:41:30 | kugel | LEFT/RIGHT |
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| 01:42:11 | kugel | btw, a recent commit to brickmania broke scroll wheel support for e200 |
| 01:43:04 | amiconn | Ah, that MPEG_SCROLL_UP/DOWN is a set of alternate buttons |
| 01:45:28 | amiconn | i.e. convenience |
| 01:47:37 | kugel | pretty confusing |
| 01:47:54 | kugel | used that for scroll wheel for e200, and got a compile error |
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| 01:54:16 | amiconn | linuxstb: ping |
| 01:55:38 | kugel | does somebody know why pixelma removed the scroll wheel support for e200 in brickmania? |
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| 01:56:19 | JdGordon | accident maybe? |
| 01:58:11 | linuxstb | amiconn: ? |
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| 01:58:31 | amiconn | linuxstb: There's a nasty bug caused by viewports on H1x0 |
| 01:58:59 | amiconn | After running a plugin, viewports are messed up so that you can't use the browser and menu at all |
| 01:59:25 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I've just tried your new mpegplayer for the first time. Very nice, but I have one suggestion - some kind of indicator to show that seeking is happening. |
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| 02:00:06 | linuxstb | amiconn: You mean when running an existing plugin (one that doesn't touch viewports at all) ? |
| 02:00:12 | amiconn | yes |
| 02:00:25 | linuxstb | Is it just the h1x0, or is that the only target you've tested? |
| 02:00:41 | amiconn | It doesn't happen on recorder |
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| 02:00:48 | amiconn | Didn't test other targets so far |
| 02:00:53 | JdGordon | kugel: im guessing a missunderstanding of the code.... try copying the SCROLL_() stuff from ipod and see if that fixes it |
| 02:01:05 | kugel | allready did that ;) |
| 02:01:23 | kugel | gonna include that in my upcoming version of scroll button renaming |
| 02:02:24 | JdGordon | that fixed it? |
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| 02:02:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: My guess would be it's a greyscale issue, the fg/bg patterns going wrong... I'll have a quick look now. |
| 02:02:47 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: Why should I provide more than any other video player? I think I'll loosen up threading in there but splashing things could get annoying. Perhaps an indicator on the WVS? |
| 02:02:48 | amiconn | Not all the viewports suffer |
| 02:02:49 | JdGordon | kugel: what names are you using for the new buttons now? |
| 02:03:00 | kugel | still counter and clock |
| 02:03:04 | amiconn | Right after exiting a (non-viewer) plugin, the browser looks normal |
| 02:03:08 | kugel | it's up to you to find better names |
| 02:03:28 | linuxstb | amiconn: There is only one viewport at the moment - the default one... |
| 02:03:31 | amiconn | But as soon as you start moving, the text vanishes. Icons remain, but also disappear gradually on further movement |
| 02:03:34 | kugel | anyway, you basically just need to search&replace within the diff for changing the names |
| 02:03:34 | JdGordon | i thought SCROLL_CLOCKWISE and SCROLL_COUNTER_CWISE or something was aggreed on? |
| 02:03:56 | kugel | w/o BUTTON before? |
| 02:04:04 | * | jhMikeS just tried solitaire on H120 and moving in the list results in all text disappearing |
| 02:04:18 | jhMikeS | moving after exiting the plugin that is |
| 02:04:54 | JdGordon | wtf? |
| 02:05:18 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Yes, I was thinking of something in the WVS. Other parts of Rockbox show a splash (for example, I'm not saying use a splash in mpegplayer) to show blocking activity. |
| 02:05:53 | JdGordon | kugel: well.. its not really a button |
| 02:06:04 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: paged scrolling enabled? |
| 02:06:18 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: nope, I never use that |
| 02:06:27 | * | Nico_P is tempted to close FS #7471. It's not easily reproduceable and predates MoB |
| 02:06:39 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: ok, checking this out |
| 02:07:12 | kugel | I actually suggested that (more as a joke though), however rasher wrote on the tracker "All buttons are prefixed with BUTTON_, we don't want to change that." |
| 02:07:23 | preglow | Nico_P: well, have you managed to reproduce it at all? |
| 02:07:42 | jhMikeS | Going back into a plugin also has menus broken after that point. Splashes continue to render. |
| 02:07:44 | kugel | which is also the last official statement on the tracker, I don't know if there was further discussion in the meantime |
| 02:07:59 | Nico_P | preglow: I find the description confusing and the reporter states that he couldn't reproduce |
| 02:08:14 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: nice and easy to reproduce... any idea when this started? |
| 02:08:39 | preglow | Nico_P: then close it |
| 02:09:07 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I just updated today and I didn't have any VP code in my tree until just hours ago. |
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| 02:10:13 | JdGordon | im not entirely sure its a VP thing... unless this is the first you've seen of it |
| 02:10:21 | * | amiconn wonders what he's doing wrong on cf :/ |
| 02:10:53 | JdGordon | working in asm at 2am probably isnt a good idea :p |
| 02:11:59 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: The last tree I had had no VP code so it's some time after r16013 |
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| 02:12:11 | amiconn | Either I made a fundamental measuring error, or my new block-packed grey_phase_blit is *slower* at 45MHz, but faster at 124MHz. wtf?? |
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| 02:12:54 | kugel | JdGordon: So what's up with SCROLL_CLOCKWISE and SCROLL_COUNTER_CWISE, I actually never heard of that idea |
| 02:12:59 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: it works in the e200 sim but not the h100.. so im thinking its a remote problem I introduced a while ago when i fiddled with the list... funny noone has mentinoed it before though |
| 02:13:23 | amiconn | JdGordon: I think it has to do with vp |
| 02:13:34 | * | linuxstb too - the h140 sim doesn't even run... |
| 02:14:04 | JdGordon | kugel: bah i meant BUTTON_CLOCKWISE, BUTTON_ANTICLOCKWISE |
| 02:14:13 | JdGordon | ok... im hapy to not have caused it :) |
| 02:14:41 | JdGordon | h140 sim is runnig fine with |
| 02:14:49 | kugel | well, ok, gonna change my patch to that asap and uploade |
| 02:15:05 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe my measurement was kinda wrong, but not because I overlooked a clock change... |
| 02:15:48 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Did you notice that the new greylib causes more graininess than the old one on H1x0 if the cpu is not boosted? |
| 02:16:22 | amiconn | I guess the new one (in svn) needs too long for one update so that it skips one timer period, and update frequency is effectively halved... |
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| 02:18:24 | amiconn | yeah, that must be the solution... |
| 02:19:43 | linuxstb | amiconn: I can recreate in the sim, so that makes it easier to fix... |
| 02:20:35 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I haven't tried it unboosted. Will mandelbrot run it unboosted? |
| 02:21:03 | amiconn | Mandelbrot dynamically boosts while calculating |
| 02:21:21 | kugel | JdGordon: uploaded new version, though I seem to be an illiterate (refering to a) b) c) c) d) in my comment) |
| 02:21:59 | jhMikeS | amiconn: mandelbrot looks quite nice |
| 02:22:09 | JdGordon | kugel: what manual changes are needed? |
| 02:22:53 | * | amiconn needs a different way for testing cpu load of th egreylib |
| 02:23:05 | kugel | Actually I haven't looked even once into the manual code, however the "first oops commit this year" reminded me of the manual |
| 02:23:18 | jhMikeS | H120 isn't exactly prone to graininess with it's slow pixels :\ |
| 02:23:30 | amiconn | Well, my H140 is grainy |
| 02:23:47 | JdGordon | kugel: you mean change the button name in the manual also? |
| 02:23:52 | amiconn | And measuring a CPU load of 46% @124MHz, but just 50% at 45MHz can't be right |
| 02:24:55 | kugel | I'm not really sure, but in the manual code there's stuff like ButtonScrollDown |
| 02:25:08 | kugel | probably needs changing too |
| 02:26:18 | * | linuxstb still doesn't see a problem with the current ipod button names... |
| 02:26:37 | JdGordon | they are ambiguous... |
| 02:28:01 | amiconn | The new version shows a CPU load of 31% @124MHz, 75% @45MHz, and no more graininess |
| 02:28:17 | amiconn | That makes much more sense in fact |
| 02:31:41 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I don't agree - forward/clockwise and backwards/anti(counter)-clockwise are interchangable in my mind, and fwd/back are nice short abbreviations. |
| 02:32:10 | amiconn | CW / CCW |
| 02:32:21 | JdGordon | cw/ccw is typo prone |
| 02:32:22 | amiconn | ;) |
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| 02:35:52 | tapiocapudding | is there a way to get my ipod to connect to the comp and just charge and not go into the disk mode do not disconnect? |
| 02:36:12 | kugel | I think it's funny, those scroll names revealed many different opinions among the dev crew ;) |
| 02:37:20 | JdGordon | with this many people its fairly likely we wont agree on everything |
| 02:37:47 | JdGordon | linuxstb: is there any reason to not put a viewport struct on the stack if its not used for text at all? |
| 02:38:31 | kugel | JdGordon: sad, but true |
| 02:39:23 | linuxstb | If it's not used for text, why have a viewport at all? |
| 02:39:24 | kugel | I just fear ending up with this bad names button_scroll_up and _down |
| 02:39:35 | linuxstb | But no, I can't see a problem with that. |
| 02:39:47 | linuxstb | It's just the scrolling lines that need access to their viewports. |
| 02:40:24 | JdGordon | for the scrollbar in the list, I've realised breaking the display into a vp for everything makes drawing simpler |
| 02:40:41 | JdGordon | well.. almost everything.. |
| 02:41:51 | JdGordon | im building RTL startight into the new list drawing to prove how useful vp's are :) |
| 02:42:03 | amiconn | damn sdram on cf... but now I know how to fix all this :) |
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| 02:44:48 | * | safetydan still argues for CW / WDS (i.e. Widdershins) |
| 02:44:52 | JdGordon | http://rafb.net/p/bwkxhK67.html <- the logic for the scrollbar... not very much changed, but that should display fine on the left or right with no changes to the other viewports :) |
| 02:48:43 | * | JdGordon kills whoerver thought it would be nice to use 1,2,3 for the global_Settings.cursor_style instead of an enum |
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| 02:51:44 | * | jhMikeS plans his evil VP "enhancements" |
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| 02:59:37 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Have you tried not using viewport_copy(), and just doing plain struct assignment? |
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| 03:00:56 | JdGordon | linuxstb: no, im still using the copy... |
| 03:01:13 | jhMikeS | viewports should really be thread local or else bugs will reign in the long run |
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| 03:02:28 | JdGordon | apart from a tsr plugin (who ideally would be told which viewport to draw into) where would any drawing happen outisde the gui thread? |
| 03:04:06 | jhMikeS | anywhere potentially and it's already in the scroll thread. mpegplayer is a multithread/multicore lcd user too |
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| 03:06:29 | * | linuxstb found the h140 bug (a typo...) |
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| 03:12:07 | Llorean | JdGordon: I forgot all about long term maintenance, but yeah, I definitely agree with that. |
| 03:12:09 | * | jhMikeS wonders if he can get a patch test on a PP502x greylib target but thinks that uncached buffer use there should work ok. |
| 03:13:21 | jhMikeS | Llorean: with what? |
| 03:13:42 | Llorean | jhMikeS: In regards to a release. I forgot all about thinking about minor versions afterward. |
| 03:14:11 | Llorean | I sent a mail to the -dev list. I'd like to at least finally try to get the ball rolling toward at least defining what we want from a release process. |
| 03:14:35 | JdGordon | its not really a good time now though.... |
| 03:14:41 | JdGordon | for a release I mean |
| 03:14:57 | linuxstb | It never is... |
| 03:15:13 | JdGordon | combination of vp just going in and people having slightly more free time... |
| 03:15:37 | Llorean | Well what I'd like to do is get the feedback on this page. |
| 03:15:42 | linuxstb | Apart from in the WPS, I don't think there's any urgency for viewports to be used more widely. |
| 03:16:02 | Llorean | Then, once it's streamed down, we can set a list of specific "to-do" before the freeze and a date to freeze on. |
| 03:16:05 | jhMikeS | a rock-solid playback engine design has to be there |
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| 03:17:56 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I actually disagree. I'd love "bug free", but I think the key is actually "usable, with bugs unlikely to affect the majority, and those bugs that do exist documented." That being said, I'm not even sure how many "major" playback bugs we have left. Or rather, reproduceable ones. |
| 03:17:58 | jhMikeS | and remove crossfade :p (have I said I hate that feature?) :) |
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| 03:18:29 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I mentioned on the page that *I* personally at least, wouldn't object to the disabling of "problematic" features. |
| 03:19:15 | Llorean | For example, in the case of crossfade, if the quirks that cause problems can't be worked out, just remove it from the menu. Don't waste time on cleaning out the code, there's no real reason to do that, since it'd still be in SVN builds. |
| 03:19:23 | jhMikeS | Llorean: true, but it's just a nasty one from so many angles, not from an existing bug standpoint |
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| 03:19:40 | JdGordon | did i leave my edit in the wiki about that not definatly being a viable option? |
| 03:19:49 | JPereira | anyone own a e280v2? |
| 03:19:50 | Llorean | jhMikeS: For a release though, we just need to think about the "user's point of view" angle, nothing else. |
| 03:20:00 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yeah |
| 03:20:10 | JdGordon | we could of course disable the setting in the release... |
| 03:20:15 | Llorean | JdGordon: It's not going to always be possible to remove a feature, but it should always be possible to keep a user from enabling the feature. |
| 03:20:22 | JdGordon | snap |
| 03:20:26 | Llorean | Heh |
| 03:20:43 | DogBoy | JPereira, what |
| 03:20:44 | jhMikeS | it's just that the threading use is sloppy and causes endless strangness and non-uniform timing bugs |
| 03:20:53 | JdGordon | yeah, dead simple to "remove" the setting from the users POV |
| 03:20:56 | JPereira | do you know when rockbox will be available for e280v2? |
| 03:21:00 | Llorean | That's more what I had in mind. "Cover up the buggy bits, keep them out of site, and make the release 'the best of what we've got'". Concentrate on a working, usable firmware first. |
| 03:21:12 | Llorean | sight |
| 03:21:28 | Llorean | JPereira: Nobody's started any real work on it. It'll happen when people who own the players get organized and work on it. |
| 03:21:28 | JdGordon | JPereira: not for a while |
| 03:22:57 | JPereira | Sansa e280 v2...It seems that rockbox hasn't been ported to it yet...I was just wondering if anyone knew what |
| 03:23:07 | jhMikeS | Llorean: some things that control the playback don't even operate properly 1) the plugin control 2) stopping/restarting when enabling certain features (like crossfade) |
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| 03:23:56 | Llorean | jhMikeS: So we work on them, and if we can't get them working, we keep the user from using them in the "Release" version. |
| 03:24:42 | JPereira | damn....I'm a web programmer and know C...but I<ve never fiddle around with firmware and whatnot...but if only someone could get me started with it... Id be glad to |
| 03:25:35 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I'm not sure just rewriting the thing would be that hard. It's big but it's not hard to churn out big code if a good plan is followed from the start. |
| 03:26:03 | linuxstb | JPereira: This is the general guide - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort There has already been some discussion about the e200v2 - see the thread in the New Ports forum. |
| 03:27:26 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: the old menus allow hooking of keypresses, right? do the new ones? I really need that for trapping system messages in mpegplayer in order make sure things are saved. |
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| 03:28:13 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Well, I'm just trying to come up with fallbacks. Last feature freeze, we basically had the option of "Freeze forever, or cancel the release" |
| 03:28:29 | Llorean | I'd like to have another plan, such as "Start scrapping things until what's left is usable, or nothing" |
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| 03:30:23 | kugel | Llorean: What's your opinion to my latest scroll button rename version? I basically renamed them to BUTTON_CLOCKWISE and _ANTICLOCKWISE now |
| 03:31:28 | Llorean | kugel: I haven't looked at it. I'm really mostly indifferent beyond "there should be consistency for 'scroll' naming on all rotational targets" |
| 03:31:42 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: yes |
| 03:31:50 | JdGordon | you need to implement the callback thing |
| 03:32:51 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I suppose that's why the poll but I hate band-aiding up weaker code rather than replanning and reimplementing it to be strong from the beginning. |
| 03:33:44 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Yeah, but if you can't get the replan/reimplement done in time for a release, do you scrap the release, or continue the freeze? |
| 03:33:49 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: not sure if I'll try convering mpegplayer to that just yet but at least I can take the callback approach and keep it for later. |
| 03:34:12 | Llorean | That's what happened with the playback rewrite. We tried to fix the playback engine, and the freeze just went on, and on, until nobody was working on getting out of the freeze, and nearly everyone was working on the side. |
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| 03:34:58 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I guess that's a priority thing re: what holds it up. |
| 03:35:19 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 03:35:20 | JPereira | linuxstb: thanks for the link and info... :P |
| 03:36:26 | Llorean | But as I said, I'd like to get a bunch of feedback, and put together a plan for "assuming we ever release again, what are our plans and what are we willing to sacrifice if we end up having to" |
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| 03:36:54 | Llorean | Because frankly, we could almost get away with slapping a 3.0 on a current build, as long as it boots on every player, and we clearly documented the known bugs. |
| 03:37:03 | * | Llorean wouldn't recommend going that far |
| 03:38:57 | jhMikeS | mpegplayer work has brought about enough ideas on how to handle things regardless of number of cores or other variables. some of that got into the voice thread work. |
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| 03:44:33 | saratoga | if anyone wondered, the retail sansa firmware uses 35.7ma during idle, and 47.7 to 51 ma with occasional spikes to 90ma during LAME VBR playback |
| 03:45:08 | jhMikeS | the good thing is that it exemplifies a case when hard thinking about accomplishing a task in one place can result in something being applicable to another and code generated from that in but few hours |
| 03:45:12 | Llorean | saratoga: So we're pretty close? |
| 03:45:44 | saratoga | yeah i guess we use less power at idle then they do |
| 03:45:58 | saratoga | though i don't know what clock frequnecy they idle at |
| 03:46:18 | Llorean | We use more when active though, or why do we still have worse battery life? |
| 03:46:23 | saratoga | err, we will use less once toni's patch goes in anyway, and assuing we keep idle at 24MHz, if we go to 30, then they'd be ahead |
| 03:46:39 | saratoga | i'm not sure what we use in mp3 playback, i'll check in a few |
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| 03:51:21 | * | jhMikeS always though of "idle" as being the base processor clock sans multiplication |
| 03:52:28 | Atreus | Does anyone have a moment for a quick question? |
| 03:52:52 | jhMikeS | was that the question? :p |
| 03:53:08 | Atreus | I am hoping to install RockBox on my 4G (greyscale) ipod, but I don't know if my griffin iTrip will still work on it |
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| 03:53:14 | Atreus | it's the kind that plugs into the top, not the dock |
| 03:53:31 | Atreus | i was wondering if (a) it can work, and (b)if it requirse any effort to make it do so :/. |
| 03:55:19 | * | jhMikeS is gonna just unload this mpegplayer greyscale code and deal with the torches and pitchforks if that happens |
| 03:55:37 | saratoga | load power consumption is bounces between 36.1 and 56.2 or so as it boosts and unboosts with the most recent patch (v7) |
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| 03:56:01 | saratoga | i'd say we're now beating the retail firmware, at least for lame aps |
| 03:56:02 | Atreus | i guess that means no one knows the answer to my question since i didnt get any response? :v |
| 03:58:28 | Llorean | Atreus: There's an accessory compatibility page in the wiki, though I don't know the URL |
| 03:58:37 | Atreus | oh, crap :/ |
| 03:58:48 | rvvs89 | Atreus: That will work with any 3.5 mm socket |
| 03:59:46 | Atreus | rvvs89: are you saying yes |
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| 04:00:18 | Llorean | Atreus: Does it just use the headphone jack, and nothing else? |
| 04:00:28 | Atreus | headphone jack, and the uh...small other port right next to it |
| 04:00:32 | Atreus | don't know what it's called, sadly |
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| 04:00:43 | rvvs89 | Oh, that's the serial port |
| 04:00:44 | saratoga | for some reason power consumption stays quite high for about 10 seconds after the backlight flips off on the sansa |
| 04:00:45 | rvvs89 | So no |
| 04:00:51 | saratoga | any idea idea what could be running? |
| 04:00:54 | Atreus | crap |
| 04:01:01 | Atreus | i was really hoping to switch to rockbox :argh: |
| 04:01:02 | saratoga | the unit is dark so its not a light, but its using a heck of a lot of power |
| 04:01:06 | rvvs89 | (Unless it's only using it as a power source?) |
| 04:01:25 | Atreus | yeah, power source iirc |
| 04:01:37 | Atreus | unless i am looking wrong, it -seems- like the wiki is saying it works |
| 04:01:40 | Atreus | i just found the page finally |
| 04:01:49 | Atreus | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories griffin itrip <check> |
| 04:03:54 | Atreus | alrighty..crossing fingers and installing rockbox :D |
| 04:03:58 | Atreus | directory-structure here i come :p |
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| 04:05:09 | Atreus | Sorry about asking a question that was already answered in the wiki, I usually try hard not to do that |
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| 04:05:18 | Atreus | I didn't see that page, however and a search for itrip showed nothing |
| 04:05:23 | Atreus | I know it's probably aggravating |
| 04:06:24 | Soap | did you look at the photos, Atreus? There are two iTrip models which use the 4th gen's remote jack (on top of the player) - the one with the LCD screen does not work. I included photos of all the iTrip models because their names are so freaking confusing. |
| 04:06:43 | Atreus | Yeah, mine's the non-lcd version :) |
| 04:07:04 | Soap | then you should be cool. |
| 04:07:08 | Atreus | awesome |
| 04:08:57 | Atreus | Alright, i guess i'll part and if you dont see me back in here it means my ipod's good to go for my trip :V |
| 04:08:58 | Atreus | thanks :) |
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| 04:09:58 | futurist | i dropped my h10 and now i think the hd is toast−−is it practice to buy/install a new hd? |
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| 04:13:38 | Soap | futurist, we have a wiki page on that, too! http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
| 04:14:11 | Soap | 5/6GB, or is it the 20GB player futurist? |
| 04:15:15 | Soap | If it is a 5 or 6GB one, I have two comments, both relating to the fact it uses a microdrive. 1 - It's bloody hard to kill a microdrive by dropping it. 2 - if it is dead - you can drop in a compact flash card and upgrade your player for relatively cheap. |
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| 04:23:27 | Soap | saratoga, thanks so much for the DMM tests of buschel's patch. I was curious if you also tested older versions of the patch? |
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| 04:27:38 | Soap | The reason I ask is because my runtime tests (on an iPod) with v2 of the patch are still far worse than original firmware (with Lame VBR) - and v3-v5 of the patch weren't expected to affect power consumption. I guess the real question is - did v6 perform that much better than v5 (performance as in power consumption) or is the Sansa original firmware just that much more power hungry than the iPod's? |
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| 04:31:40 | futurist | soap hey sorry i got a phone call, lol |
| 04:31:42 | futurist | it's a 5gb |
| 04:31:55 | futurist | well i dropped it, then it said system files missing right after |
| 04:32:05 | Llorean | It could just be dislodged. |
| 04:32:11 | futurist | and ums bootig it doesn't show as a drive letter |
| 04:32:13 | futurist | Llorean oh |
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| 04:35:59 | saratoga | soap: i think the sansa firmware is inefficient, since they have a 750 mah battery but only claim 20 hours, while the nano 1G has a 300mah battery but claims 14 hours |
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| 04:37:30 | saratoga | at the nano's claimed efficiency it should get 35 hours (though the larger screen and somewhat different hardware probably play a part in the difference) |
| 04:38:05 | saratoga | i don't have an ipod >3G to test, but i bet its still a bit below the apple firmware |
| 04:39:05 | Soap | thanks for your time, and for the tests. |
| 04:39:42 | Llorean | Do we have power draw numbers for "dividing work as evenly possible between two cores" vs "running one core hard and keeping the other shut off"? |
| 04:39:50 | futurist | Soap lol, according to that page, none of the suggested drives use the seagate 4-way connector |
| 04:42:48 | saratoga | Llorean: I don't think we ever got far enough to do that |
| 04:43:06 | saratoga | though my test is just mp3 with the screen off and no other effects, so I think the other core would be asleep anyway |
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| 05:31:06 | kleinmaetschke | Hey community, I'm having a little trouble running ipodpatcher on my 5.5g video. Running OS X, Leopard. Can anyone spare some time to talk me through it? |
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| 05:44:02 | psycho_maniac | is there a feature freeze coming soon? just curious |
| 05:46:09 | Llorean | There's not one planned. |
| 05:46:27 | Llorean | Believe me, we're not going to sneak up on you with it. |
| 05:47:50 | psycho_maniac | i only ask because i noticed some good bug fixes and then seen the ReleasePlanning page. Usually there is something in the mailing list or in the project news on the main page correct? |
| 05:48:20 | psycho_maniac | When was the last feature freeze? I cant even remember. |
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| 05:48:48 | Soap | JdGordon had a mail on the dev list in response to Bagder's musings on the subject in his blog: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog (always a good read) |
| 05:49:40 | Llorean | Soap: I posted a mail to the dev list too, on a similar subject |
| 05:50:54 | * | Llorean wonders if he should add "ride herd on these nutty developers until they make a release" to his new years resolutions. |
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| 05:53:50 | Soap | your goal is to herd cats? |
| 05:55:19 | Llorean | Clearly I'm somewhat insane as well, yes. |
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| 06:33:51 | JdGordon | note to self.... display->update_viewport() is probably good thing to add :p |
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| 06:54:07 | JdGordon | ladies and gentlemen!!!! we have a viewported list control :D |
| 06:54:20 | JdGordon | with only a few minor drawing glitches :p |
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| 07:05:30 | Llorean | JdGordon: Does this mean that just defining a viewport with different parameters allows arbitrary list positioning? |
| 07:05:50 | JdGordon | umm.... yes |
| 07:06:01 | JdGordon | it will draw the list into whatever parent viewport you want |
| 07:06:16 | JdGordon | ... well it will once i fix the bugs |
| 07:06:22 | JdGordon | icons arnt playing nice |
| 07:06:29 | Llorean | Ah |
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| 07:11:11 | JdGordon | hmm... |
| 07:11:30 | * | JdGordon just realised RTL langs will need a bit of work in the lcd driver to work properly |
| 07:16:06 | JdGordon | hail to the king baby! |
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| 07:18:08 | JdGordon | it freeking works :) |
| 07:19:16 | JdGordon | http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot2he6.png |
| 07:19:39 | JdGordon | the first is full screen, the 2nd is half width and half height... the 3rd is moved into the middle a bit |
| 07:20:07 | JdGordon | the scroll bar would be shown if the sansa didn have such a big screen :p |
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| 07:26:14 | Llorean | JdGordon: Will it work properly with backdrops? |
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| 07:27:10 | JdGordon | I'm not sure how vp handles backdrops |
| 07:27:25 | JdGordon | either way... right there is the custom margins patch |
| 07:27:33 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 07:28:12 | JdGordon | I tihnk your stuck with the one main backdrop for now... |
| 07:28:17 | Llorean | See, I know VP used to handle backdrops by just always showing the backdrop if one was set. But then at some point there was mention of being able to have viewports with independent background colors in the WPS, and I don't know if that happens, and if it translates to the menu |
| 07:28:40 | Llorean | I don't care about number of backdrops. But I'm just worried about whether you'll get the backdrop, or the background color, within the menu viewport |
| 07:28:43 | JdGordon | yes, each can have different colours |
| 07:28:55 | JdGordon | each vp that is |
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| 07:29:05 | JdGordon | I thought you meant backdrop bmp |
| 07:29:16 | Llorean | I do. Backdrop BMP vs Background Color |
| 07:29:28 | Llorean | Basically, in your current picture, I know the original bootsplash is showing because the full screen isn't updated |
| 07:29:37 | Llorean | But the text area has a blue rectangle because that's the background color |
| 07:29:46 | Llorean | If you set a background image, would it work properly, or still have the blue rectangle? |
| 07:29:55 | JdGordon | ah, dunno.. |
| 07:30:24 | davidfg4 | JdGordon: Are you now going to make options come up in little windows, instead of covering the whole screen? |
| 07:30:33 | JdGordon | thats a possibility |
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| 07:31:32 | Llorean | That might be interesting. Options spawning a list equal in width to their longest item, in a viewport aligned to the right side of the screen, or something. |
| 07:32:05 | JdGordon | that first suggestion is impossible... |
| 07:32:50 | Llorean | Hm? |
| 07:33:04 | JdGordon | how do we find out the length of the longest item? |
| 07:33:07 | JdGordon | its all dynamic |
| 07:33:24 | Llorean | Depends on the list, but most are either numeric, or short and walkable. |
| 07:34:04 | Llorean | But it could just be an arbitrary width |
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| 07:35:25 | JdGordon | hehe.. I think I just found a bug with th old list code... it doesnt display the title icon in the setting screens! |
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| 07:38:30 | davidfg4 | Question: If I defined a variable in apps/settings.h, how can I access it from firmware/usb.c? |
| 07:39:56 | JdGordon | you cant |
| 07:40:00 | davidfg4 | oh |
| 07:40:07 | davidfg4 | that's what I thought |
| 07:40:12 | JdGordon | you need to add a function in usb.c which can get/set it |
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| 07:42:35 | * | JdGordon not 100% sure about what to do with the RTL positioning code i've added to the drawing |
| 07:43:07 | JdGordon | without the lcd driver drawing the text rtl the list looks sily |
| 07:43:47 | davidfg4 | silly in what way? |
| 07:44:23 | JdGordon | icons and scroll bar on the right, but the text is still left justified |
| 07:45:27 | Llorean | Why is it still left justified? |
| 07:45:36 | Llorean | I thought we already had code for L/R justified text? |
| 07:46:36 | JdGordon | we do? |
| 07:46:49 | Llorean | I dunno? |
| 07:47:00 | Llorean | I mean, we had a L/R justification WPS tag, I kinda assumed it made use of something like that. |
| 07:47:25 | JdGordon | I havnt checked... but my guess is thats the wps playing with offsets... |
| 07:47:51 | Llorean | How was RTL text handled previously then? |
| 07:49:45 | JdGordon | it isnt |
| 07:49:52 | Llorean | Ah, well then |
| 07:49:53 | JdGordon | its always drawn ltr |
| 07:50:22 | Llorean | You could always cheat. Just mirror all the characters in the font, and completely mirror the display. :-P |
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| 07:50:38 | JdGordon | but that wouldnt be showing off viewports :p |
| 07:51:50 | Llorean | But can viewports really make this any easier? |
| 07:54:46 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 07:55:00 | JdGordon | the worst part about rtl was everything is backwards |
| 07:55:09 | JdGordon | with vp, the only thing backwards is the text |
| 07:55:14 | JdGordon | which shouldnt be too hard to fix |
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| 08:43:33 | JdGordon | new port in before the freeze? |
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| 08:52:43 | GodEater | JdGordon: which one ? |
| 08:52:55 | JdGordon | mr100 by the looks of it |
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| 09:03:17 | * | JdGordon wonders if anyone ever uses the screen scrolling thing in the lists |
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| 09:16:55 | LinusN | JdGordon: "screen scrolling"? |
| 09:17:44 | JdGordon | umm.. when I think you hold lieft/right the names of all the items are shifted so you can read long items |
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| 09:18:41 | LinusN | i do |
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| 09:19:06 | LinusN | but admittedly not very often |
| 09:19:31 | JdGordon | ok, it can probably stay then |
| 09:19:43 | * | JdGordon trying to cut corners :p |
| 09:20:40 | LinusN | well, i don't really see that as a high priority feature |
| 09:21:16 | LinusN | but i can imagine it being useful on some targets with narrow displays |
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| 09:45:00 | linuxstb_ | Bah, where did JD go... |
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| 09:54:36 | leftright | I have rtfm, with Replay gain enabled, if "Track if shuffled" is selected, does that mean that RG uses "Album" mode if shuffle is off ? |
| 09:55:17 | markun | yes, it should |
| 09:55:33 | markun | doesn't it work? |
| 09:56:32 | leftright | well, some of my albums are louder than others and I have RG'd my entire collection as mulitple albums, so i'm wondering |
| 09:58:40 | markun | in album mode, some songs can sound louder than others because it now changes the volume of all the tracks in an album by the same amount, not sure if that's what you are hearing. |
| 09:59:38 | leftright | no, one Album is louder than the other, and the RG info is in the tags, I've verified with Rbox's id3 info, and I have ensured that the comments field doesnt have garbage |
| 09:59:39 | markun | For me it works really well, but I have some albums where the volumes differ very much (the Koyaanisqatsi soundtrack for example) |
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| 10:00:34 | markun | where the replaygain tags added with the same tool? |
| 10:01:05 | leftright | yes all with Foobar, |
| 10:01:30 | leftright | hmm, must be my ears that are hearing things then |
| 10:01:55 | markun | I had some problems with wma files I replaygained with foobar, but thought it was something I did wrong maybe. |
| 10:03:10 | leftright | hmm, I'll RG the entire collection again, see if it makes a difference, it just takes so damned long to do 40 gigs on the player |
| 10:03:11 | markun | perhaps there is a problem after all either with foorbar or rockbox |
| 10:03:33 | markun | why not just experiment with 2 albums where you can hear a big difference? |
| 10:04:19 | leftright | thanks, I've tried that, but I'll try again, maybe I'm doing something wrong |
| 10:05:27 | markun | if you still can't fix it, maybe you can make some problematic examples available for some devs to look at? |
| 10:06:20 | leftright | ok, will do so, just to clarify, if RG is selected on, and no mode is selected, what does it default to ? |
| 10:07:50 | markun | album |
| 10:10:34 | leftright | thanks, later |
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| 10:28:46 | * | amiconn wonders how compiling the mrobe100 build should work |
| 10:29:00 | amiconn | config-mrobe100.h is missing from the commit... |
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| 10:41:42 | markun | amiconn: perhaps it was simply forgotten in the commit? |
| 10:42:36 | broom | Hello. I'm browsing through the RB sources and see that in config-e200.h, the symbol CONFIG_LCD is defined as LCD_X5. How can this be? The screens on that devices are definitely not the same since they have different dimensions. |
| 10:46:43 | linuxstb | Have you read the comment above that line in config-e200.h? |
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| 10:48:22 | Zagor | also look at what this define is used for. LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT are defined separately |
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| 10:50:22 | broom | Zagor: I must admit that I haven't looked at what it's used for. But I just thought that it's better to keep the definitions separate and clear. Or, it they are shared, then some other names (without model name inside, but rather feature oriented, if that is what matters) should be used. |
| 10:52:41 | Zagor | most CONFIG_LCD defines are named after the controller type. but afaik for X5 we don't know the name of it. hence it's just called "X5". same with H300. |
| 10:53:29 | amiconn | In this case it actually means the controller. And it's used in different, contradicting ways... |
| 10:54:05 | amiconn | And the controller is the same in e200 and X5 - Renesas HD66773 |
| 10:55:07 | broom | Woundn't the name "LCD_CONTROLLER" fit better then? |
| 10:56:01 | amiconn | Thing is, it's not always used that way |
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| 10:56:31 | Zagor | it's not used very much at all |
| 10:56:35 | amiconn | The macro can probably be removed with some tweaking. Needs investigation. |
| 10:56:37 | broom | Or introduce a new symbol and use it where the old is used *that* way |
| 10:57:38 | broom | Then it will become clear whether the old one can be eliminated |
| 10:58:57 | pondlife | Another Windows user seems to be attempting to build voice files using VBS :/ Anyone object if I remove the non-working VBS stuff from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding ? |
| 10:59:42 | pondlife | i.e. the entire Using Windows section |
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| 11:00:39 | pondlife | I guess I'll just clear it up, if anyone objects they can revert. |
| 11:00:41 | amiconn | pondlife: The 'Using Windows' section needs to be rewritten |
| 11:01:06 | pondlife | It should just say "Use Cygwin" ? |
| 11:01:16 | pondlife | (or VMWare) |
| 11:01:21 | amiconn | There are a few more details |
| 11:01:35 | amiconn | Like, how you use sapi voices |
| 11:02:17 | pondlife | I've no experience with SAPI4, but for SAPI5 you just set the current voice in Control Panel, right? |
| 11:02:24 | amiconn | And I wouldn't use vmware for voice generation if I have access to windows+sapi5 ... |
| 11:02:31 | amiconn | No, you don't |
| 11:02:43 | amiconn | You select the voice via the tts parameters |
| 11:03:08 | pondlife | So, is there a method to generate voice files without Cygwin/VMWare? |
| 11:04:13 | amiconn | no |
| 11:04:36 | amiconn | At least not yet - maybe rbutil will get that feature |
| 11:04:49 | pondlife | OK, so it's basically (a) Set up SAPI parameters (b) Use Cygwin..? |
| 11:04:59 | pondlife | I know about (b), but not about (a). |
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| 11:25:13 | markun | my are the forums so unresponsive from time to time :( |
| 11:27:10 | webguest96 | Hi guys, just a quick question - When the USB stack is completed for the iPod (or some other milestone), are there plans to move the "boot into Apple firmware" option to a more out-of-the-way place? It's just that I mostly have the hold switch flicked on before I plug it into a computer, as it was probably just in my pocket. |
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| 12:41:53 | Casainho | hello Rockbox people :-) |
| 12:43:00 | Casainho | I need help on TWiki... - can someone chage the name of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockBoxPlayer ? |
| 12:43:12 | Casainho | for "RockboxPlayer".... |
| 12:46:19 | Domonoky | Casainho: why would that be needed ? |
| 12:47:06 | Casainho | because the name is "Rockbox" and not "RockBox" :-) - I made that mistake :-) |
| 12:47:50 | Domonoky | i think thats not really important, work on more important things.. :-) |
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| 13:13:15 | Casainho | okok |
| 13:14:35 | Casainho | Touchscreen? |
| 13:15:13 | Casainho | there is some hardware for Rockbox with touchscreen? - because I have a dev board with one... I would like to know If It would be interesitng or not? |
| 13:15:57 | GodEater | the m:robe has a touchscreen allegedly |
| 13:20:45 | petur | I think JdGordon has done some work on touchscreen interface already |
| 13:21:14 | markun | Casainho: nice response from Olimex! |
| 13:21:31 | markun | although a player with 2-3 buttons is very unrealistic if you ask me |
| 13:22:46 | Casainho | Olimex: |
| 13:22:50 | Casainho | > hmmm, let see how our SAM9L9261 board will turn out, 320x200 LCD with |
| 13:22:52 | Casainho | > touchscreen looks like perfect to show all Rockbox features |
| 13:23:21 | Casainho | markun: thats why I am asking about touchscreen :-) |
| 13:23:31 | markun | is it 320x200 but still 4:3? |
| 13:23:54 | markun | (non-sqare pixels) |
| 13:24:06 | markun | or did you mean 320x240? |
| 13:25:25 | Domonoky | Casainho: the olimex board sounds nice, and they are willing to produce it if we have working prototypes.. yay.. :-) but we would need more buttons, and wireless isnt needed... (which wireless technik is nRF24L01? ) |
| 13:26:02 | Casainho | soory - I am busy right now.... will talk later |
| 13:26:26 | Casainho | we can have our player, lets work to that! :-) |
| 13:29:18 | markun | Domonoky: I also don't really understand what it could be used for. Are you looking at the bRF24L01 webpage? |
| 13:29:28 | markun | (nRF24L01 of course) |
| 13:30:23 | markun | maybe to have 2 RockboxPlayers communicating with eachother? |
| 13:30:39 | Domonoky | i just read it up.. its proprietary 2,4 ghz wireless.. |
| 13:31:32 | Casainho | bRF24L01 was sugested by Olimex guy |
| 13:31:33 | Domonoky | so only useable for communication between rockboxPlayers or for accesorys |
| 13:31:51 | Casainho | he likes the idea of sharing music files :-) |
| 13:32:09 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 13:32:21 | markun | It's used in this project for example: http://www.openbeacon.org/ |
| 13:39:06 | Casainho | LinusN: can you do the same for "RockboxPlayerV1" TWiki page? :-9 |
| 13:40:27 | LinusN | what is wrong with that name? |
| 13:44:04 | Casainho | oh, mistake :-) is ok, you made it ok :-) |
| 13:44:10 | Casainho | thank you :-) |
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| 13:52:03 | * | DerPapst wonders if 8/16MB Sdram is enough though... |
| 13:52:14 | DerPapst | Casainho: nice work so far :-) |
| 13:52:48 | Casainho | DerPapst: amount of SDRAM were already discussed |
| 13:52:54 | Casainho | here :-) |
| 13:53:25 | markun | Casainho: what would be the extra price of 64MB? |
| 13:53:36 | markun | is it going to be a flash player? |
| 13:53:39 | Casainho | well, that are just minimum values |
| 13:53:51 | * | Domonoky is working on voice generation in rbutil, and i would need the features file for every target and a copy of the apps/langs folder aviable on the website, so rbutil can download it.. would that be possible ? |
| 13:53:58 | Casainho | memory for files on external falsh disk!!! |
| 13:54:22 | Casainho | yes, flash player, this V1 version |
| 13:54:36 | markun | would it be difficult to add HDD support? with the same board, or is that not very practical? |
| 13:54:44 | DerPapst | Casainho: must have missed it. but i thought 32 is best for minimum. |
| 13:55:24 | * | DerPapst would love 2,5'' S-ATA support to pop in one of these 823GB solid state flashdrives once they're cheap enough :-D |
| 13:55:30 | Casainho | 4MB can be ok |
| 13:55:42 | Domonoky | DerPapst: h100 has only 16MB, and no problems.. so 32MB is not needed... (you get longer batterylife with more ram) |
| 13:55:47 | Casainho | 8 MB thinking in future |
| 13:55:59 | Domonoky | but for a flash player ram shouldnt be this important |
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| 13:56:36 | Casainho | markun: HDD can be done after 1st version |
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| 13:57:12 | Casainho | I think there will be the need to make more than one version :-) to adress things like Flash or HDD player :-) |
| 13:57:38 | DerPapst | dunno how big the effect on the cost would be for more ram.... but if it's only 1-2USD i think more ram should be such a big issue |
| 13:58:47 | DerPapst | and if you want to make a HDD version it would be easier and cheaper to make a board which already has 32MB so you don't have to change it for the HDD version... :-P |
| 13:58:50 | rvvs89 | Woah, designing a player specifically for rockbox, I seem to have not been paying close-enough attention |
| 13:58:57 | DerPapst | hehe |
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| 13:59:05 | petur | will there be line-in (recording)? That could use some ram to buffer for the codec... |
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| 14:04:56 | Domonoky | arg, we have to many different target strings for the same plattforms.. (only small variations, but it makes live hard..) |
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| 14:05:50 | Domonoky | for example the features file doesnt include the target string, and its another targetstring than used for voice filenames.. or for the rockbox build filenames.. :-/ |
| 14:06:53 | * | Domonoky also notices, that there is no e200r in rbutil, is there any difference to an e200 if the r is converted ? |
| 14:08:01 | DerPapst | at least for the bootloader |
| 14:08:11 | DerPapst | but not for the rockbox build |
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| 14:08:31 | DerPapst | e200 and e200r are running the same build. |
| 14:08:41 | Domonoky | but sansapatcher just handls the bootloader, independend of r or not ? |
| 14:09:03 | Domonoky | so its not needed to differentate the in rbutil.. |
| 14:11:07 | DerPapst | uumm no. iirc the bootloader installation differs. You have to use e200rpatcher in order to install. |
| 14:11:48 | DerPapst | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation <−− for more information |
| 14:12:03 | Domonoky | i will take look... |
| 14:13:37 | Domonoky | ups no sansapatcher for e200r... this means work for rbutil... |
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| 14:41:34 | loklaan | hey everyone |
| 14:41:53 | loklaan | anyone know of usb hosting from an iaudio x5? |
| 14:42:09 | loklaan | i tried looking for something about this but to no rewards |
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| 14:44:12 | loklaan | anyone? |
| 14:45:12 | petur | you mean using the usb host function of the x5? |
| 14:45:26 | loklaan | yes |
| 14:45:30 | petur | rockbox does not support it |
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| 14:46:04 | loklaan | do you know of an unofficial patch? |
| 14:46:19 | petur | no |
| 14:46:30 | loklaan | ok thanks |
| 14:46:33 | loklaan | hmm |
| 14:46:53 | loklaan | just that the original firmware doesnt recgonize me camera |
| 14:47:14 | loklaan | and i wanted to idk, load the camera driver into the player |
| 14:47:15 | petur | use a cardreader |
| 14:47:28 | loklaan | ? |
| 14:47:54 | petur | an usb cardreader that works as UMS |
| 14:48:12 | loklaan | sorry i dont know what UMS is> |
| 14:48:14 | loklaan | ?* |
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| 14:48:39 | petur | the reason you camera is not recognised.... UMS = universall mass storage |
| 14:48:43 | petur | -l |
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| 14:49:31 | loklaan | so i can use a sd card and put that into a card reader, reader into player? |
| 14:49:41 | loklaan | cool |
| 14:49:43 | petur | the firmware will only talk to UMS devices, and your camera isn't. Put its memory card in a usb cardreader |
| 14:49:51 | loklaan | ahhh |
| 14:49:59 | loklaan | ok thanks heaps |
| 14:50:05 | petur | but a multi-cardreader will be a problem |
| 14:50:09 | loklaan | my sd card should arrive in a week or so ;] |
| 14:50:26 | petur | the firmware will only see the first card, and it can be the wrong one |
| 14:50:51 | loklaan | thats ok, its not a multi cardreader |
| 14:51:22 | loklaan | anyway thanks and bye bye ^_^ have fun for the next two hours, anything after that doesnt have my blessing! |
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| 15:12:58 | * | DerPapst feels blessed for 1h35min |
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| 15:27:52 | low_light | Bagder_, Zagor: build server needs a kick |
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| 15:34:34 | LinusN | low_light: done |
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| 15:51:03 | broom | The last commit by Linus should also fix FS #8424 |
| 15:51:37 | LinusN | broom: thanks |
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| 15:55:15 | broom | btw: wouldn't it be a good practice to tell the svn r-number when closing a bug report (if it was closed with a fix)? That way it would be better track'able. |
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| 15:57:58 | markun | broom: yes, I'll try to remember that next time I close a bug report |
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| 16:00:27 | low_light | can someone spot what I've missed in mrobe 100 port...when compiling, it's not "making" the bitmaps (it was fine in my old tree) |
| 16:01:26 | markun | low_light: according to amiconn the config file is missing |
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| 16:01:59 | markun | or is that not the problem? |
| 16:02:01 | low_light | It's been added...I forgot "svn add" |
| 16:02:09 | markun | 10:29 < amiconn> config-mrobe100.h is missing from the commit... |
| 16:02:22 | markun | ah, I see |
| 16:02:24 | markun | sorry |
| 16:03:46 | Domonoky | is there a way to know why a voice file doesnt work ? ( rbutil can now generate a english.voice fine, but deutsch.voice isnt working) .. |
| 16:04:19 | preglow | not without debugging, i imagine |
| 16:04:42 | Domonoky | :-/ |
| 16:05:45 | GodEater | presumably the sim would be good enough |
| 16:05:46 | LinusN | Domonoky: the simulator should help you |
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| 16:06:36 | Domonoky | LinusN: are there any outputs if voice doesnt work ? , or should i debug the sim ? |
| 16:06:58 | LinusN | the debug output might give you some clues |
| 16:07:08 | Domonoky | will try.. |
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| 16:07:35 | LinusN | btw, what does "doesn't work" mean here? total silence? |
| 16:07:47 | Domonoky | yep, total silence.. |
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| 16:10:01 | Domonoky | i probably missed some feature of genlang .. ( why is this tool in perl.. c would be so nice to reuse.. :-) ) |
| 16:11:02 | LinusN | Domonoky: i was thinking of making genlang as a cgi script on rockbox.org |
| 16:11:08 | broom | markun: I think this should be written somewhere in the rules. |
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| 16:11:52 | Domonoky | LinusN: that would be really nice... rbutil could use this, and wouldnt need the lang and features files.. :-) |
| 16:12:01 | LinusN | exactly |
| 16:12:16 | LinusN | let me think about that |
| 16:12:16 | Domonoky | LinusN: go go ... :-) |
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| 16:19:19 | amiconn | low_light: Btw, mrobe100 is b&w, right? |
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| 16:30:38 | low_light | amicon: black & red :) |
| 16:30:44 | low_light | red backlight |
| 16:32:27 | amiconn | Then I wonder why the lcd driver (a) does contain an (empty) lcd_yuv_blit(), (b) doesn't contain an lcd_grey_phase_blit() |
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| 16:33:08 | amiconn | Without the latterm it shouldn't even compile (plugin.[ch] exports it for targets with depth < 4, so it needs to exist) |
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| 16:34:59 | low_light | well, the svn code doesn't compile anyway ;) |
| 16:35:31 | low_light | it's not making the bitmaps, so it fails while building apps |
| 16:36:50 | low_light | I don't see what's wrong and what I missed from my old svn tree |
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| 16:42:31 | * | Domonoky is now eagerly awaiting LinusN s cgi genlang, because my rebuild of genlang in rbutil makes problems.. :-) |
| 16:43:29 | LinusN | :-) |
| 16:43:45 | LinusN | don't hold yopur breath, i'm extremely busy right now |
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| 17:01:55 | waldo | Little question, can i charge my sansa c200 by just putting 5Vdc on the right usb pins ? or do i need a more expensive sollution to charge it without a pc ? |
| 17:02:55 | Tuplanolla | yeah, i think so. but at least 500mA as it's the max you can get out of usb IIRC |
| 17:04:00 | kugel | j0tt: ping |
| 17:04:10 | waldo | Tuplanolla: tnx, ..off to buy a cheap tranfo then :) |
| 17:04:20 | Tuplanolla | :) |
| 17:05:02 | amiconn | You need stabilised 5V |
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| 17:07:40 | bluefoxicy | Guys my ipod won't turn on |
| 17:07:59 | bluefoxicy | the battery is dead and plugging it in doesn't turn it on. With rockbox on there it's been not going into charge mode when I plug it in. |
| 17:08:05 | bluefoxicy | any ideas? |
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| 17:15:52 | petur | bluefoxicy: I think you need to leave it in the charger for some time |
| 17:16:44 | bluefoxicy | petur: it's been there since last night |
| 17:17:11 | petur | then no idea - not an ipod owner |
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| 17:17:37 | linuxstb | bluefoxicy: Try holding MENU+SELECT to reset it. This is a common bug in the Apple bootloader code... |
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| 17:18:37 | ender` | this happened to my sister twice, and it wouldn't start charging - had to be serviced |
| 17:18:57 | bluefoxicy | linuxstb: thanks. |
| 17:19:13 | bluefoxicy | linuxstb: it says battery is 80% full o_o |
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| 17:21:35 | linuxstb | It's apparently been reported on ipods without Rockbox installed. It's just that Apple's firmware doesn't power the device off very often (just suspend), so it's not as noticable. |
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| 17:26:44 | scorche|w | GodEater: erm...did ice die? |
| 17:29:06 | GodEater | it's still pinging... |
| 17:29:34 | GodEater | and I just ssh'd into it ok |
| 17:30:17 | scorche|w | GodEater: yeah..it pings fine, but can you access the irc page? |
| 17:30:28 | GodEater | haven't tried |
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| 17:31:32 | GodEater | looks like the www server is goneski |
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| 17:33:00 | amiconn | That %&/# fnarfbargle.org is still not multilib patched :( |
| 17:33:59 | scorche|w | GodEater: lemme know when it is back up...no rush if you are busy |
| 17:34:50 | * | petur wonders how it looks if a www server goes to ski |
| 17:35:00 | GodEater | scorche|w: you'll probably know before I do - I don't use ice much |
| 17:35:27 | scorche|w | i like my drinks dry too |
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| 17:42:53 | BigBambi | Llorean: Did you see the forum search is not working? |
| 17:43:10 | Llorean | BigBambi: Yes, unfortunately that's one of the problems I can't do anything about, I have to wait for others |
| 17:43:30 | BigBambi | No probs, just checking |
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| 17:46:35 | markun | looks like an SVN conflict: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/lang/italiano.lang?r1=16033;r2=16034 |
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| 17:48:51 | petur | He committed a conflicting file |
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| 18:01:17 | preglow | Domonoky: isn't it possible to have more than one window in a .ui file? |
| 18:02:15 | Domonoky | i dont know, i dont think so... |
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| 18:14:11 | jhMikeS | preglow: Is your ipod mini a grayscale one? |
| 18:14:37 | saratoga | Llorean: would it be possible to make the patch tracker sort by fs# by default? |
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| 18:15:25 | petur | Llorean can do little about that, Zagor is the man. |
| 18:17:28 | preglow | jhMikeS: it's a nano :) |
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| 18:18:56 | jhMikeS | ah, that's right. just looking for a tester on a grayscale PP502x target to test a patch since I'm uncertain what the effect will be. |
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| 18:22:29 | preglow | all minis are grayscale anyway |
| 18:22:33 | preglow | amiconn has one |
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| 18:30:46 | kugel | linuxstb: You wanted to see my current custom list progress, didn't you? |
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| 18:32:05 | Canardo | hi everybody |
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| 18:32:15 | markun | hi Canardo |
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| 18:32:42 | Canardo | I ask me something about rockbox. Could someone try to give me informations ? |
| 18:33:19 | DerPapst | jhMikeS: there are no not b&w minis ;-) |
| 18:33:46 | * | DerPapst too late |
| 18:33:49 | DerPapst | whatever |
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| 18:34:56 | DerPapst | Canardo: nope. i doubt that woks. |
| 18:34:57 | JdGordon | kugel: your playing with a custom list? |
| 18:35:10 | * | DerPapst hopes his mindreader was working correctly. |
| 18:35:16 | kugel | JdGordon: yea |
| 18:35:34 | kugel | I saw your viewport_list patch, didn't dive into yet |
| 18:35:49 | JdGordon | how custom do you mean? |
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| 18:36:17 | jhMikeS | DerPapst: apparently they aren't very popular either :) |
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| 18:36:31 | Canardo | Since a long time, there are some custom builds including some patches like Album Arts, etc. But I prefer don't use theses builds. I prefer use the "official" one. Why the rockbox team has never include these patches ? |
| 18:36:58 | Canardo | And will they try to include it one day !? |
| 18:37:09 | JdGordon | AA is in the official builds now |
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| 18:37:16 | kugel | JdGordon: fs#5899 |
| 18:37:25 | scorche|w | Canardo: well, there are different patches...with different reasons |
| 18:38:20 | linuxstb | JdGordon: What's the purpose of all those gui_list_* macros in newlist.h ? |
| 18:38:31 | JdGordon | they willl be gone |
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| 18:39:02 | JdGordon | i just did a straight copy from list.h to newlist.h |
| 18:39:06 | krazykit | Canardo, it often boils down to "the patch is not implemented the right way" or "it's bloat that isn't needed" |
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| 18:39:28 | DerPapst | no more list macros? |
| 18:39:28 | JdGordon | kugel: have a look at the ist patch i did, it immediatly does what 5899 wants |
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| 18:40:27 | linuxstb | JdGordon: And please remove viewport_copy()... |
| 18:41:03 | kugel | JdGordon: I expected your patch do this, however it doesn't seem to be finished, or actually usable. You a) said that and b) from what I've seen (I have looked into the diff) |
| 18:41:31 | JdGordon | yeah, its not finished at all... just put it up to show off :p |
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| 18:41:43 | kugel | But acutally, I wanted to prepare a diff using the old custom list patch sync'd to viewport, since there're graphical issues linuxstb wanted to investigate |
| 18:41:58 | JdGordon | k |
| 18:42:10 | Canardo | So, what about ymargin_scrollinfo and scroll-margins ? |
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| 18:42:43 | linuxstb | scroll-margins is obsoleted, and I've no idea what the ymargin_scrollinfo patch is for... |
| 18:43:22 | kugel | linuxstb: acutally noone has an idea concerning ymargin |
| 18:44:02 | Canardo | it come from here : http://evilg.cleansoap.org/builds/5g/README-EvilG-Fusion-20070717.txt |
| 18:46:50 | kugel | linuxstb: www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/customlist-20080109.diff |
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| 18:47:52 | kugel | use this theme to test, it's for e200 |
| 18:47:53 | kugel | http://www.rockbox-themes.org/data/176x220x16/Azure_Ultimate.zip |
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| 18:48:54 | Canardo | I asked lots of themes in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g are not working at all (including my prefered ones) |
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| 18:49:29 | linuxstb | Canardo: Are you running the themes on the required builds? |
| 18:50:13 | Canardo | are u speaking about custom builds (like EvilG one) ? |
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| 18:51:08 | low_light | linuxstb: if you have a chance, can you make an mrobe 100 build and tell me why it's not "making" the bitmaps...I've looked at it too long and can't see my mistake |
| 18:51:57 | linuxstb | kugel: The idea is that you declare various viewports in the list code, and then call lcd_set_viewport() to use them. You appear to just keep modifying the values of the default viewport, which you shouldn't do - the x/y/width/height of the default viewport shouldn't be changed (and can't be with the existing code). |
| 18:52:45 | linuxstb | low_light: Sure. Are you build for a real target or sim? |
| 18:52:54 | low_light | target |
| 18:52:57 | kugel | linuxstb: I allready came up with that idea too, though it didn't work. I called a new viewport, and the menu didn't show up at all |
| 18:53:14 | linuxstb | Then you were doing something else wrong... |
| 18:53:25 | linuxstb | Look at JdGordon's patch - that may give you some ideas. |
| 18:53:45 | low_light | linuxstb: btw...I now have a Sansa c140 (TTC770) |
| 18:54:17 | kugel | linuxstb: Thank you anyway, I'm gonna play around a bit with calling more viewports (I most likely did it wrong) |
| 18:55:25 | linuxstb | low_light: Nice... That should be very similar to my Logik DAX. How much flash does it have? |
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| 18:55:57 | Canardo | So... |
| 18:56:03 | Canardo | thanls, good evening ! |
| 18:56:08 | Canardo | thanks |
| 18:58:12 | low_light | linuxstb: it's the 1GB version. |
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| 19:01:09 | linuxstb | low_light: That mrobe build is odd - it's not creating the dep-apps file (in builddir/apps/dep-apps). |
| 19:03:29 | kugel | linuxstb: I basically did this now: |
| 19:03:31 | kugel | static struct viewport vp; |
| 19:03:32 | kugel | display->set_viewport(&vp); |
| 19:03:34 | kugel | The main menu isn't drawn |
| 19:04:17 | low_light | yes, I noticed that, but the bitmaps seem to be built before that (I did a c200 build and stopped it while making the bitmaps) |
| 19:04:37 | low_light | linuxstb: ^ |
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| 19:06:03 | linuxstb | kugel: Did you initialise all the fields in the viewport, including fg/bg colours? |
| 19:06:36 | kugel | no, I thought there were initialised with default values automatically |
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| 19:08:02 | amiconn | How would they? |
| 19:08:21 | amiconn | Viewports are statically allocated, hence there is no init code |
| 19:13:05 | jhMikeS | amiconn: could you do a quick mpegplayer patch test on nano? |
| 19:13:15 | amiconn | I have no nano... |
| 19:13:52 | jhMikeS | I think I meant mini |
| 19:13:59 | jhMikeS | any greylib using pp502x |
| 19:14:12 | linuxstb | low_light: Sorry, nothing is jumping out at me. I'll try and have a look later, but I may not have any time this evening... |
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| 19:14:17 | amiconn | Ah, mini |
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| 19:14:42 | amiconn | Unfortunately I can't test any greylib related patch atm, as my greylib is in a state of heavy flux |
| 19:16:34 | jhMikeS | I simply need to see if using uncached buffers on that works ok since that gives the least complication and best appearance. |
| 19:17:14 | amiconn | The greylib will soon allow to optionally use iram for it's _grey_info struct |
| 19:17:26 | amiconn | s/it's/its/ |
| 19:18:05 | jhMikeS | I meant using uncached frame buffers, not the _grey_info struct |
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| 20:15:21 | low_light | was missing the keymap file |
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| 20:16:18 | low_light | why wouldn't make complain that the file was missing instead of continuing |
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| 20:22:32 | kugel | Is there a way to return to the default_vp? |
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| 20:24:30 | amiconn | display->set_viewport(NULL); |
| 20:26:27 | kugel | a great, hadn't thought of that, thanks |
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| 20:31:27 | peppo | hm. my playlist used to be fine with not properly UTF8 coded id3 tags, but when I changed Viewing codec to utf8, and then back to iso8859-15, some tags' non-ascii characters are displayed with just boxes |
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| 20:33:00 | peppo | it's iso8859-15 encoded stuff that's not being displayed properly. is there a workaround? |
| 20:33:08 | peppo | before both utf8 and iso8859-15 were displayed fine |
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| 20:40:11 | peppo | any encoding gurus here? |
| 20:40:51 | JdGordon|w | linuxstb: viewport_copy() is really that bad? |
| 20:41:32 | saratoga | peppo: encoding of what |
| 20:41:46 | peppo | saratoga, oh sorry, unclear. character encoding |
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| 20:44:27 | pixelma | peppo: before what? |
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| 20:45:25 | peppo | pixelma, making a few changes in settings: language, display/character encoding... |
| 20:45:45 | peppo | thought it might have been language, but going back didn't help |
| 20:45:50 | linuxstb | JdGordon|w: It's just unnecessary - a normal assignment (=) will work. |
| 20:45:54 | peppo | I'm trying rebuilding the database again with utf8 set |
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| 20:56:59 | peppo | nah, didn't help |
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| 20:59:27 | JdGordon|w | linuxstb: only when creating new ones though? |
| 20:59:49 | linuxstb | Whenever you want to copy the contents of one viewport struct into another. |
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| 21:00:56 | * | JdGordon|w is sure he was taught you cant use = with structs.. |
| 21:01:58 | amiconn | That's plain bog standard C ... |
| 21:02:01 | linuxstb | I think it's a relatively new C feature, but I can't imagine any compiler not supporting it. |
| 21:02:10 | amiconn | Assigning a struct to another copies content |
| 21:04:07 | * | Nico_P thinks he *finally* nailed FS #5797 (Codec failure with directory skip when in file browser) :D |
| 21:04:20 | JdGordon|w | well done :) |
| 21:04:39 | DerPapst | it is the good thing you can use = with structs... :-) |
| 21:06:54 | Nico_P | I'd like to mention it wasn't related to the playback code at all |
| 21:07:04 | kugel | linuxstb: Well, I got custom list to work, though there's one last problem |
| 21:07:07 | JdGordon|w | Nico_P: sure.. pass the blame on :D |
| 21:07:32 | Nico_P | I'm running svn blame right now :p |
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| 21:07:54 | JdGordon|w | DerPapst: well its not that a good thing... this is the first time in 5 odd years I've actuallly wanted to duplicate a struct instead of playing with pointers :p |
| 21:08:06 | kugel | the list isn't redrawn when I return from wps, which means I see parts of the wps right the the vp. After scrolling up/down a single item everthing is fine |
| 21:08:19 | JdGordon|w | Nico_P: which file? |
| 21:08:27 | Nico_P | playlist.c |
| 21:09:01 | * | JdGordon|w runs away just incase blame says me |
| 21:09:02 | linuxstb | kugel: You should probably call lcd_clear_display() (and lcd_update()) at the start of your code. |
| 21:09:14 | Nico_P | JdGordon|w: don't worry, it's not you ;) |
| 21:09:21 | JdGordon|w | woohoo :) |
| 21:09:37 | linuxstb | kugel: And are you using lcd_clear_viewport() and lcd_update_viewport() when dealing with your list? |
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| 21:09:50 | kugel | linuxstb: I tried display->update(); and it didn't work |
| 21:10:02 | kugel | no |
| 21:10:05 | linuxstb | Did you do display->clear_display() ? |
| 21:10:27 | kugel | no |
| 21:11:18 | kugel | I'm not really sure if it's an issue in the list code, since going up/down in the list by a single item fixes this |
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| 21:16:50 | JdGordon|w | the list code is perfect!! any nay sayers will be taken to the volcano god |
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| 21:17:00 | fir3__ | hi |
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| 21:17:10 | MadEchidna | hello folks |
| 21:17:24 | MadEchidna | could someone tell me if this will run Rockbox ok? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855125011 |
| 21:17:54 | fir3__ | how can i update an ipod video? can i just select the complete installation in rbutil and the old install will be overwritten? |
| 21:18:02 | scorche|w | well, if you are buying it new, odds are, it will be a v2 which will not run rockbox yet |
| 21:18:16 | scorche|w | (that was to MadEchidna) |
| 21:18:33 | MadEchidna | aw :( |
| 21:18:43 | MadEchidna | where do you reccomend I buy one that will work? |
| 21:18:46 | JdGordon|w | fir3__: yes |
| 21:18:59 | linuxstb | fir3__: Yes. Or just select the option to install a "current build" - you probably don't need to update everything else (fonts, bootloader etc) |
| 21:19:01 | fir3__ | alright, tnx |
| 21:21:06 | fir3__ | the installer can't download the files :/ |
| 21:21:32 | fir3__ | download error: received http error 39 |
| 21:21:55 | kugel | Well, there's another problem. Plugins are pretty much messed up :( |
| 21:22:56 | fir3__ | ok guess the error appeared because i cancelled bootloader install, after a rbutil restart it seems to work |
| 21:23:31 | fir3__ | how come rbutil uses 100% cpu, btw? |
| 21:23:50 | MadEchidna | doesn't anyone know where I can buy a compatible player? |
| 21:23:58 | linuxstb | kugel: Do you restore the default viewport anywhere? |
| 21:24:19 | scorche|w | MadEchidna: ebay |
| 21:25:00 | kugel | No, but I thought of that. However, if I did that, the first issue is worse (then going up/down doesn't even help anymore) |
| 21:25:28 | kugel | btw, clearing/updating didn't help, only caused some kind of flickering |
| 21:25:53 | BigBambi | fir3_ which version, OS? |
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| 21:27:20 | fir3__ | 1.0.2 linux |
| 21:27:31 | BigBambi | 1.0.2 or linux is using 0% for me |
| 21:27:36 | BigBambi | s/or/on |
| 21:30:29 | fir3__ | maybe some bug only occuring on dualcore cpus? |
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| 21:33:21 | BigBambi | I have a dual core cpu |
| 21:33:38 | BigBambi | so I doubt it :) |
| 21:34:59 | pixelma | kugel: I just read the logs and it wasn't on purpose that I removed the scroll wheel support in brickmania on the e200 - I simplified the defines there a bit... too much ;) (maybe was mislead by the old comment "Only iPod have scroll events" that was in there, can't remember) |
| 21:35:14 | kugel | ok :) |
| 21:35:20 | pixelma | going to add it again |
| 21:35:32 | kugel | Yea, that comment confused me too |
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| 21:40:18 | * | amiconn fetches beer |
| 21:40:35 | * | petur gets thirsty |
| 21:42:37 | pixelma | low_light: nice commits :) |
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| 21:45:20 | amiconn | low_light: mrobe100 pixel format is the same as archos? |
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| 21:48:12 | low_light | amiconn: it uses lcd-1bit-vert |
| 21:48:22 | amiconn | Ah ok |
| 21:49:43 | amiconn | Porting the greyscale lib should be easy then :) |
| 21:50:22 | amiconn | Just lcd_grey_phase_blit() is needed - just notice that this function will change parameters (incompatibly) soon |
| 21:50:31 | pixelma | low_light: is that the essential part of the c200 radio patch you committed today (I remember there were more lines in it...)? |
| 21:50:33 | low_light | easy for you that is |
| 21:51:08 | amiconn | For me it's trivial ;) |
| 21:51:36 | amiconn | But a few tests need to be done on target |
| 21:52:05 | low_light | pixelma: yes, I believe that was the bit that fixed my radio. Let me know if you still have problems. |
| 21:52:13 | amiconn | (measuring the internal refresh rate of the lcd and the gamma curve) |
| 21:52:47 | amiconn | Refresh rate measurement in turn needs lcd_blit(), and gamma needs a new test plugin I have to write |
| 21:52:50 | pixelma | low_light: ok, have to revert the old one then :) |
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| 21:53:09 | amiconn | (the existing curves were measured with the old graylib, and a plugin I didn't keep) |
| 21:54:16 | low_light | sounds like you need to find one on ebay :) |
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| 21:54:31 | low_light | and add to your tower |
| 21:54:37 | kugel | finally tt |
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| 21:58:51 | fir3__ | how can i convert videos to play them on the ipod video+rockbox? |
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| 22:01:07 | bertrik | fir3__: I think the MpegPlayerPlugin page on the rockbox wiki explains it |
| 22:01:39 | PaulJam | fir3__: in an ipod video it is propably better to boot into the apple firmware to watch videos. |
| 22:02:23 | bertrik | here's the link http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
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| 22:06:02 | perlDreamer | My sansa e200 with rockbox is locked up, showing an "Undefined instruction" error. Is there a way to reset it? |
| 22:06:37 | perlDreamer | None of the keys work, and plugging it into a USB port didn't do anything either |
| 22:06:40 | BigBambi | perlDreamer: Hold power for 15 seconds or more |
| 22:07:29 | perlDreamer | BigBambi: Thanks! I know the sequence of steps that I did to get it there. Is it worth filing a bug report? |
| 22:07:45 | BigBambi | perlDreamer: Are you using the current build and is it reprodicuible? |
| 22:07:55 | perlDreamer | current build yes |
| 22:08:04 | BigBambi | curent build from when? |
| 22:08:04 | perlDreamer | I'll let you know about the reproducability in a sec |
| 22:08:09 | BigBambi | i.e. what version? |
| 22:08:19 | BigBambi | and what is the problem? |
| 22:09:01 | perlDreamer | v16039, Sansa e200 |
| 22:09:16 | perlDreamer | I turned off Repeat mode, then the device idled until it went to sleep. |
| 22:09:25 | perlDreamer | woke it up, hit resume play and i got the error |
| 22:09:38 | BigBambi | interesting |
| 22:10:24 | perlDreamer | holding the power button down got it to turn off, but now after the Splash screen it just goes to black |
| 22:10:44 | BigBambi | ould you try resetting the settings? |
| 22:10:56 | perlDreamer | It won't power up any longer |
| 22:10:59 | BigBambi | In case font colour and background colour have somehow got set to the same |
| 22:11:12 | perlDreamer | No lights on the dial |
| 22:11:17 | perlDreamer | No response to USB cable |
| 22:11:23 | JdGordon|w | battery dead? |
| 22:11:24 | BigBambi | Can you boot the OF? |
| 22:11:46 | perlDreamer | JdGordon, even if the battery was low, it should respond to a cable plug-in |
| 22:11:54 | perlDreamer | BigBambi: No booting at all now |
| 22:12:10 | BigBambi | perlDreamer: I would plug it in and leave it for a while |
| 22:12:21 | BigBambi | It is odd, but it may be so low that it won't boot at all |
| 22:12:21 | perlDreamer | will do |
| 22:12:48 | * | perlDreamer hopes that the battery protector has a trickle charge mode |
| 22:13:11 | BigBambi | I have an gigabeat S60 (in addition to my rockbox players!)that when very low on battery won't do anything until you plug in mains adapter. USB cable (which normally charges) does nothing |
| 22:13:25 | BigBambi | perlDreamer: Should do, it is in hardware |
| 22:13:54 | perlDreamer | Do you know which protector chip it uses? |
| 22:14:04 | BigBambi | no, but the wiki might |
| 22:14:04 | perlDreamer | TI, Maxim, etc.? |
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| 22:14:35 | BigBambi | maybe some info here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Port |
| 22:15:09 | Bagder | perlDreamer: i.mx31 |
| 22:15:17 | Bagder | freescale |
| 22:16:08 | BigBambi | Bagder: The E200? |
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| 22:16:24 | Bagder | the gigabeat S |
| 22:16:28 | Bagder | the e200 uses a PP5024 |
| 22:16:44 | BigBambi | We were talking about the E200 :) |
| 22:16:58 | * | Bagder is obviously confused... |
| 22:17:04 | BigBambi | I knew I wasn't going mad :) |
| 22:17:18 | BigBambi | I did mention the S60, so you are excused |
| 22:17:20 | Bagder | e200v1 that is |
| 22:17:20 | BigBambi | :) |
| 22:17:24 | BigBambi | yep |
| 22:17:28 | Bagder | e200v2 uses AS3525 |
| 22:17:39 | BigBambi | AMS? |
| 22:17:42 | Bagder | yeps |
| 22:17:45 | pixelma | low_light: what was the screen specs of the m:robe100 again - 160x128 mono (recalling the picture... wasn't it even (backlit red on black)? |
| 22:18:23 | advcomp2019 | perlDreamer and BigBambi, i tried to the same thing but mine still works with the latest build |
| 22:18:45 | BigBambi | advcomp2019: cheers. |
| 22:19:38 | BigBambi | perlDreamer: When your player is resurrected, try to see if you can reproduce, if you can fill out a bug report with as much info as possible. i.e. how to do, format files, settings.... |
| 22:19:48 | perlDreamer | ok |
| 22:19:55 | BigBambi | cheers |
| 22:19:56 | perlDreamer | I'll let it sit on the cable for an hour or so |
| 22:20:20 | Hans-Martin | perlDreamer: good luck resurrecting it |
| 22:20:29 | BigBambi | I'm sure it will be fine |
| 22:20:36 | perlDreamer | thanks, I'll drop back in in a while to update y'all |
| 22:20:48 | perlDreamer | btw, Rockbox is awesome! |
| 22:20:55 | BigBambi | it certainly is :) |
| 22:21:15 | * | Hans-Martin agrees violently |
| 22:21:19 | JdGordon|w | meh... its not that good... |
| 22:21:23 | JdGordon|w | iPL ftw! |
| 22:21:24 | low_light | pixelma: yes |
| 22:21:37 | * | BigBambi slaps JdGordon with a dead dingo |
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| 22:22:22 | Hans-Martin | is there any info on the new greylib? I see it mentioned over and over here, but the rockbox.org site has no info (at least I did not find any) |
| 22:22:37 | BigBambi | Hans-Martin: What sort of info? |
| 22:22:45 | BigBambi | Dev or end-user? |
| 22:22:53 | Hans-Martin | mainly, what will be its advantage for the end-user |
| 22:23:10 | BigBambi | Hans-Martin: More shades of grey (33 -> 129 IIRC) |
| 22:23:22 | Hans-Martin | ah ok so it's time.dithering |
| 22:23:28 | BigBambi | + some behind the scenes stuff (ask amiconn!) |
| 22:23:29 | Hans-Martin | good |
| 22:24:20 | Hans-Martin | can it do color as well? Then I could watch movies on my iriver? (just kidding) |
| 22:24:46 | BigBambi | I seem to remember amiconn mentioning that it would also help/remove the 'phasing' that occurred from time to time with the old one |
| 22:25:00 | amiconn | Phasing? |
| 22:25:14 | BigBambi | The appearance of a line scrolling through it |
| 22:25:20 | amiconn | No |
| 22:25:20 | BigBambi | phasing is not a great word |
| 22:25:27 | amiconn | That effect cannot be avoided |
| 22:25:47 | BigBambi | amiconn: I misremember then, I thought I remembered you saying it was better with this one |
| 22:25:50 | Hans-Martin | I assume that it is only being used by viewers/plugins which need it, right? |
| 22:26:04 | BigBambi | Hans-Martin: check out e.g. mandelbrot |
| 22:26:10 | BigBambi | or the jpeg viewer |
| 22:26:20 | amiconn | It avoids the graininess resulting from frequent updates in the old lib, has more shades, and updates faster |
| 22:26:23 | pixelma | Hans-Martin: you can watch movies on your iriver (assuming it's an H100 it's still a bit slow in decoding so drops frames though...) |
| 22:26:36 | BigBambi | amiconn: ah, the graininess is what I was confusing |
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| 22:27:03 | amiconn | It will soon be much faster than the svn version, and avoid the graininess when unboosted on coldfire (H1x0, M5) currently occuring in svn |
| 22:27:09 | amiconn | (because of too slow isr) |
| 22:27:10 | BigBambi | cool |
| 22:27:18 | * | BigBambi is highly impressed |
| 22:27:40 | amiconn | It will also scroll & draw faster soon |
| 22:28:02 | Hans-Martin | BigBambi: ah ok - mandelbrot looks like it's very stable (no "phasing") |
| 22:28:29 | BigBambi | I shouldn't have introduced phasing, it is both the wrong word, and I was wrong! |
| 22:29:09 | * | GodEater_ awards BigBambi the "Bad word of the day" badge |
| 22:29:10 | Hans-Martin | pixelma: actually I'm not that much into viewing movies on mobile devices - too little time for that. And monochrome 160x100 isn't exactly HDTV. |
| 22:29:13 | GodEater_ | wear it with pride |
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| 22:29:28 | BigBambi | GodEater_: Makes a change from a red card :) |
| 22:29:39 | GodEater_ | hehe |
| 22:29:46 | GodEater_ | that's the *other* channel |
| 22:29:53 | BigBambi | :) |
| 22:29:54 | GodEater_ | I hope none of us would descend that low here |
| 22:30:00 | BigBambi | indeed no |
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| 22:39:08 | mhydronic | is there a way to make windows explorer pop up everytime my ipod is connected? |
| 22:39:37 | BigBambi | mhydronic: I don't think that is a rockbox question |
| 22:40:16 | mhydronic | i thought maybe it had something to do with rockbox |
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| 22:40:38 | BigBambi | mhydronic: Rockbox on the ipod doesn't yet have a usb mode |
| 22:40:49 | BigBambi | You are in the apple firmware |
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| 22:45:42 | mhydronic | does it automatically switch over? cuz rockbox starts up.. then a little usb plug icon shows up on the screen.. and the do not disconnect screen is different form the ipod do not disconnect screen |
| 22:46:14 | BigBambi | It i the apple emergency disk mode |
| 22:46:24 | BigBambi | s/i/is |
| 22:46:49 | BigBambi | I assure you, it is not rockbox |
| 22:46:56 | mhydronic | ok i believe you |
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| 22:48:58 | mhydronic | thanks |
| 22:49:04 | BigBambi | no probs |
| 22:49:11 | ptw419 | does anyone know if usb serial works in the usb stack? |
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| 22:50:01 | GodEater_ | ptw419: I don't believe so |
| 22:50:15 | GodEater_ | ptw419: I think Zagor got charging working, and is someway toward UMS |
| 22:50:23 | GodEater_ | but that's about it (AFAIK) |
| 22:51:40 | Zagor | I had some success with serial too, but not enough to enable logging over it. |
| 22:52:38 | Zagor | I have very little rockbox time at the moment so I won't be able to put more effort into it for a few weeks |
| 22:53:49 | Horscht | front page says charging only, no? |
| 22:53:50 | ptw419 | ah |
| 22:56:54 | GodEater_ | ptw419: are you trying to get the stack into the S code ? |
| 22:57:01 | * | BigBambi hopes so :) |
| 22:58:32 | ptw419 | i was thinking about trying |
| 22:58:45 | ptw419 | i still can't manage to get interrupts working :\ |
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| 22:59:06 | ptw419 | I contacted freescale and they said everything should work as is |
| 22:59:54 | ptw419 | I found the general area where the OF sets up the interrupts, but that is in nk.bin, and its never executed if the rb bootloader is started |
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| 23:02:45 | Hans-Martin | gnite folks |
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| 23:03:25 | Buschel | stripwax/soap: did you still experience glitches with v7-patch? |
| 23:03:33 | Nico_P | ptw419: what do they mean by "as is"? |
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| 23:04:17 | Casainho | hello rockbox people :-) |
| 23:04:22 | Casainho | I am looknig to TWiki acess |
| 23:04:29 | Casainho | for user "RogerQuadros" |
| 23:04:41 | perlDreamer | Well, at T+1 hour nothing is happening, still |
| 23:04:43 | linuxstb | You can add his name to the TwikiUsersGroup page. |
| 23:05:03 | ptw419 | well, thats not their exact wording. |
| 23:05:20 | linuxstb | Casainho: Sorry, TWikiUsersGroup - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiUsersGroup |
| 23:05:28 | ptw419 | my exact question was : |
| 23:05:28 | ptw419 | Please register your mobile phone to activate this feature. |
| 23:05:28 | ptw419 | Register your phone to receive a text message when you receive Mail from particular senders. |
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| 23:05:31 | ptw419 | Date:8 Jan 2008 23:03:15 -0700 |
| 23:05:33 | ptw419 | From:"Freescale Support" <support@freescale.com> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert |
| 23:05:36 | ptw419 | Subject:RE: Freescale Support SR#: 1-414465296 |
| 23:05:37 | GodEater_ | linuxstb, Casainho: I already did it |
| 23:05:38 | ptw419 | To:ptw419@yahoo.com |
| 23:05:39 | ptw419 | Dear James Espinoza, |
| 23:05:41 | ptw419 | In reply to your Service Request SR 1-414465296: |
| 23:05:46 | ptw419 | Generally all that is sufficient for generating interrupts. |
| 23:05:48 | ptw419 | Also one can check if appropriate clocks are enabled in used module, |
| 23:05:50 | ptw419 | in Clock Gating Registers, sect.3.4.3.9 "Clock Gating Registers |
| 23:05:52 | ptw419 | (CGR0–CGR2)", |
| 23:05:54 | ptw419 | i.MX31 Reference Manual (rev.2.3, 1/2007). |
| 23:05:56 | ptw419 | <http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/ref_manual/MCIMX31RM.pdf> |
| 23:05:58 | ptw419 | Also please find attached project giving example of operation with |
| 23:05:59 | ptw419 | interrupts. |
| 23:06:02 | ptw419 | Thank you for your interest in Freescale Semiconductor products and for |
| 23:06:04 | ptw419 | the opportunity to serve you. |
| 23:06:06 | ptw419 | Should you need to contact us with regard to this message, please see |
| 23:06:06 | linuxstb | ptw419: Pastebin is useful ;) |
| 23:06:08 | ptw419 | the notes below. |
| 23:06:10 | ptw419 | Best Regards, |
| 23:06:12 | ptw419 | Igor |
| 23:06:12 | | Quit Buschel () |
| 23:06:15 | Horscht | wall-o-text! |
| 23:06:16 | ptw419 | Technical Support |
| 23:06:18 | ptw419 | Freescale Semiconductor |
| 23:06:20 | ptw419 | −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−- |
| 23:06:22 | ptw419 | This message is in reply to the following service request: |
| 23:06:23 | Casainho | thank you :-) - I now know how to do that :-) - thanks :-) |
| 23:06:24 | ptw419 | SR Number: 1-414465296 |
| 23:06:26 | ptw419 | Date Opened: 09-Jan-2008 11:34:00 AM |
| 23:06:32 | ptw419 | Subject: Interrupts not firing in IMX31 |
| 23:06:32 | GodEater_ | oh god |
| 23:06:32 | ptw419 | Description: |
| 23:06:32 | ptw419 | Other than enabling interrupts in the CPSR, the respective module(lets |
| 23:06:34 | #>> | "is really itching now :)" by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) |
| 23:06:35 | ptw419 | say EPIT1), and in AVIC(under normal interrupts, not accelerated) is |
| 23:06:36 | petur | argh! |
| 23:06:36 | ptw419 | there anything else that must be enabled or setup to get interrupts |
| 23:06:38 | ptw419 | working correctly? What could cause the interrupts to not work if everything |
| 23:06:40 | ptw419 | is enabled correctly? |
| 23:06:42 | ptw419 | −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−- |
| 23:06:46 | ptw419 | How to best communicate with us regarding this Service Request SR# |
| 23:06:48 | ptw419 | 1-414465296: |
| 23:06:50 | ptw419 | −− You may reply to this message by email; however, please |
| 23:06:52 | ptw419 | oops.... |
| 23:06:54 | ptw419 | sry |
| 23:06:56 | ptw419 | didn't mean to flood the chan |
| 23:06:58 | ptw419 | hehe |
| 23:07:00 | ptw419 | but there you have it anyways ;) |
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| 23:07:44 | ptw419 | i was thinking maybe something in IOMUX might not be set up right? |
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| 23:11:59 | Casainho | bye bye |
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| 23:14:18 | perlDreamer | BigBambi: It's been plugged in for over an hour. Any suggestions on what to do next? |
| 23:14:31 | | Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) |
| 23:14:32 | perlDreamer | (and no lights or response to keys) |
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| 23:15:04 | BigBambi | perlDreamer: Not sure I'm afraid, I don't actually own a Sansa |
| 23:15:04 | Nico_P | ptw419: I couldn't tell you :p |
| 23:15:29 | perlDreamer | I'll check tonight to see if it's still under warranty and try that route. |
| 23:15:30 | ptw419 | Nico_P: its ok, I couldn't tell myself ;) |
| 23:15:30 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 23:15:51 | perlDreamer | Thank you, sincerely, for your help. I appreciate it. |
| 23:15:52 | BigBambi | perlDreamer: Perhaps leave it a litle in case anyone sees the logs? |
| 23:15:58 | BigBambi | And maybe post in the forum? |
| 23:16:07 | perlDreamer | oka |
| 23:16:09 | perlDreamer | okay |
| 23:17:31 | advcomp2019 | perlDreamer, try removing then reinstalling the battery then try to turn it on |
| 23:17:41 | bertrik | perlDreamer: perhaps it's still on, but just hangs with a black screen? in that case, plugging in the charger won't really make a difference |
| 23:18:09 | Nico_P | ptw419: what's in the "attached project"? |
| 23:18:10 | bertrik | perlDreamer: try turning it off once more by holding power for 15 seconds, then plugging in the charger |
| 23:19:34 | ptw419 | its a program w/ a minimal bootloader that tests the CSPI interrupts |
| 23:19:39 | perlDreamer | aha! That worked. |
| 23:19:45 | ptw419 | would you like to take a look? |
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| 23:19:53 | crashmatrix | Evening all |
| 23:19:54 | ptw419 | i haven't tested it yet |
| 23:20:05 | perlDreamer | If the problem is black on black, how do I change that? is it in the config files? |
| 23:20:05 | crashmatrix | I'm having some trouble installing the bootloader from linux |
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| 23:20:55 | crashmatrix | I run ipodpatcher as instructed, but I get no message that the bootloader has been installed, I just get a parition listing and some other random bits of information |
| 23:21:17 | crashmatrix | When I 'reboot' the ipod, I can only get into the original firmware |
| 23:21:29 | ptw419 | Zagor: for USB_IRAM_ORIGIN is that the system IRAM? |
| 23:21:48 | Zagor | ptw419: yes |
| 23:21:51 | bertrik | perlDreamer: I don't really know, IIRC booting rockbox with record button pressed should revert it to default settings |
| 23:21:54 | ptw419 | ok thanks |
| 23:22:07 | perlDreamer | I'll check the manual |
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| 23:23:11 | crashmatrix | Never mind, I'm being stupid again |
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| 23:23:49 | deltron | you leaving the lock button on? |
| 23:24:08 | Bagder | perlDreamer: did you hold 'menu' for 15 seconds to make it shut down for sure first? |
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| 23:24:45 | perlDreamer | Bagder: yes |
| 23:24:46 | Zagor | ptw419: but USB_IRAM_ORIGIN isn't used anywhere so you can ignore it. it's a leftover from testing. |
| 23:25:20 | Bagder | perlDreamer: and it shows nothing then when you try to switch it on or insert usb? |
| 23:25:26 | leftright | perhaps you guys had better put up your version of what rockbox is instead of this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgoq1LN0QKI&feature=related |
| 23:25:38 | ptw419 | ah |
| 23:25:47 | perlDreamer | No, it's responding now. |
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| 23:26:27 | perlDreamer | It looks like where the data for resume playback may have been stored was corrupted, because it locked up again when I tried to restart the last song. |
| 23:26:37 | perlDreamer | but new playing works fine, and resuming from that point on works fine |
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| 23:27:23 | BigBambi | perlDreamer: Glad to hear it |
| 23:27:59 | Nico_P | ptw419: I wouldn't mind taking a look at it, yeah |
| 23:29:06 | leftright | here's an interesting one, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skijXgpUj80&feature=related |
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| 23:31:39 | ptw419 | dcc fine? |
| 23:32:43 | | Part leftright |
| 23:33:21 | Nico_P | ptw419: it failed |
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| 23:34:05 | ptw419 | or how about email |
| 23:34:25 | Nico_P | sounds good. do you have my address? |
| 23:34:32 | DerPapst | leftright: heh... but if you want to see really bad video tutorials check out ipodlinux ones :-D and it's a horror when they come to your forums whining that it didn't work. |
| 23:36:00 | ptw419 | nope, pm it to me |
| 23:36:51 | Llorean | The first video really isn't that bad. |
| 23:39:35 | GodEater_ | Llorean: I'm sure we saw that one months back |
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| 23:42:37 | DerPapst | GodEater_: good guess... r15236 :-P |
| 23:43:05 | DerPapst | meh... why do all leave when i'm replying? |
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| 23:45:51 | ptw419 | Zagor: does usb_drv_init() initialize usb hardware in the system? |
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| 23:47:58 | Zagor | ptw419: partly. it assumes the hardware is activated and enabled, which is done in usb-fw-pp502x.c. usb_drv_init() only initializes the actual usb controller. |
| 23:48:33 | ptw419 | I see |
| 23:49:31 | Zagor | s/usb-fw-pp502x.c/usb_init_device()/ |
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