| 00:00:51 | amiconn | pixelma: ping |
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| 00:03:22 | davidfg4 | How fast is the bootloader on an ipod video? from when you press a button to when you are at the menu? |
| 00:03:31 | davidfg4 | the iPL loader is slow |
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| 00:09:17 | crashmatrix | hmmm |
| 00:09:28 | crashmatrix | I can't seem to get rockbox booted on my 5.5G iPod |
| 00:09:47 | crashmatrix | I just installed the rockbox bootloader, reboot the thing |
| 00:10:14 | crashmatrix | (after installing rockbox in the root of the second partition) and it complains it can't find rockbox.ipod |
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| 00:11:23 | crashmatrix | also, the bootloader seems to think my parition is only 7 gigabytes, while it's 29 |
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| 00:14:20 | davidfg4 | crashmatrix: Is rockbox.ipod in "/.rockbox", or just "/"? |
| 00:14:41 | crashmatrix | davidfg4: it's at /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod |
| 00:15:19 | JdGordon|w | is the ipod fat32? |
| 00:15:47 | crashmatrix | Yes |
| 00:15:51 | linuxstb | crashd_: Is it a 5.5g? |
| 00:16:17 | linuxstb | I mean crashmatrix... |
| 00:16:48 | crashmatrix | linuxstb: yes it's a 5.5g, 30 gig, 2048 sector size |
| 00:16:55 | linuxstb | Did you reformat it yourself? |
| 00:17:02 | crashmatrix | yes |
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| 00:17:44 | linuxstb | It sounds like that process went wrong. |
| 00:18:06 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 00:18:06 | * | [Rui] waves. rockbox ROCKS :) thanks to developers here! |
| 00:18:26 | crashmatrix | linuxstb: I've been following the 'I broke my ipod' instructions on the wiki step by step, unless they are outdated or something else is wrong I can't imagine how it would go wrong 5 times in a row |
| 00:18:31 | crashmatrix | but I'll try again just for kicks |
| 00:18:52 | linuxstb | What "i broke my ipod" page? |
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| 00:19:17 | crashmatrix | IpodManualRestore |
| 00:20:05 | linuxstb | Then yes, I think that is out of date. Or at least, it doesn't mention that mkfs.vfat doesn't seem to correctly handle 2048 byte sectors. You should use the mtools mformat program instead, it's described here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 00:20:28 | linuxstb | Or maybe you just used the wrong partition table? |
| 00:21:08 | crashmatrix | I did that before, I didn't even get to the part of the rockbox bootloader when I wrote the wrong mbr |
| 00:21:41 | crashmatrix | But, I'll give mtool a shot |
| 00:21:57 | linuxstb | You used the -S 2048 option with mkfs.vfat? |
| 00:21:58 | [Rui] | is there a method to change keymappings, though? Sansa guys should have made "play/pause" be the big button :( |
| 00:22:11 | [Rui] | with my big fingers it's a true pita to get to that tiny play/pause :( |
| 00:22:21 | linuxstb | [Rui]: Only by changing the source code and compiling your own version of Rockbox. |
| 00:22:47 | crashmatrix | linuxstb: yes I did use the -S 2048 option |
| 00:22:59 | [Rui] | linuxstb: ah... let's see |
| 00:23:26 | [Rui] | linuxstb: you mean button-target.h ? |
| 00:23:29 | JdGordon|w | [Rui]: apps/keymaps/keymap-e200.c is where you want to look |
| 00:24:36 | [Rui] | JdGordon: ah... it seems to be context dependent... nice! |
| 00:25:02 | Llorean | [Rui]: How often do you need Play/Pause? |
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| 00:25:34 | Llorean | There's a "Resume" option in the main menu, "Select" is actually how you stop music, and for flash based players "Stop" is pretty nearly penalty free anyway |
| 00:25:43 | Llorean | err, "Select" is how you start music |
| 00:25:45 | crashmatrix | by the way, do absolutely need to have the apple firmware on the disk? I mean, I don't ever use it, can't I simple forgo the 'multi-boot' part of the bootloader? |
| 00:25:55 | J3TC- | Hrmm...is the multifont patch dependent on another patch? |
| 00:26:13 | [Rui] | Llorean: often enough to wish it was easier to hit without stopping playback |
| 00:26:28 | Llorean | [Rui]: What do you use it for, though? |
| 00:26:34 | [Rui] | Llorean: pause |
| 00:26:39 | Llorean | Then why don't you stop? |
| 00:26:57 | [Rui] | Llorean: because clicking the big button again starts playing from the beggining |
| 00:26:58 | linuxstb | J3TC-: I don't think so, but best to read the comments on flyspray, or ask the author. |
| 00:27:18 | J3TC- | I did read the flyspray which got me confused :3 |
| 00:27:21 | Llorean | [Rui]: The big button is how you select a song. If you stop, if you select "Resume Playback" in the menu, with the big button, it resumes from wherever you stopped |
| 00:27:35 | J3TC- | At one point it said it was dependent on some viewport patch then the next doesn't seem so |
| 00:27:49 | [Rui] | Llorean: you may have small fingers, I don't. I keep hitting what I don't want |
| 00:27:49 | linuxstb | crashmatrix: No. |
| 00:27:51 | J3TC- | Oh well, there's only one wya to find out |
| 00:27:58 | [Rui] | Llorean: there's a big usability problem with this player |
| 00:28:01 | linuxstb | J3TC-: Parts of the viewports patch have been committed. |
| 00:28:12 | Llorean | [Rui]: I just told you a way to do it without EVER pressing the Play/Pause button... |
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| 00:28:33 | J3TC- | Yeah, which got me confused if it still needed one of the viewports patch that was linked into one of the comments. |
| 00:28:34 | [Rui] | Llorean: you told me of a way which is three times harder to do |
| 00:28:45 | J3TC- | I'll try and apply the patch and see what happens I guess |
| 00:28:48 | [Rui] | Llorean: all I want is easy play pause with my fingers |
| 00:28:55 | Llorean | Then modify the source code. |
| 00:28:57 | JdGordon|w | [Rui]: as much as it pains me to say this,.... but the sansa is now much more usable for fat fingures then it was before.... power is stop, and wheel->resume and select retsrtas |
| 00:29:00 | [Rui] | Llorean: yup! |
| 00:29:04 | Llorean | I was trying to offer you an option that doesn't require recompiling. |
| 00:29:10 | Llorean | Because, in general, people prefer that. |
| 00:29:18 | [Rui] | Llorean: I prefer it to be usable |
| 00:29:23 | Llorean | It is usable. |
| 00:29:31 | [Rui] | Llorean: I bought two sansa e260 because I could flash rockbox in them :D |
| 00:29:39 | Llorean | You aren't flashing Rockbox. |
| 00:29:46 | Llorean | It's installed to the "disk" as it were. |
| 00:29:53 | [Rui] | one was my gf's birthday present, and the other one my xmas one |
| 00:29:57 | linuxstb | flash disk... ;) |
| 00:29:59 | [Rui] | Llorean: yeah... abuse of language |
| 00:30:07 | * | Llorean thinks we really need to run some sort of campaign to let people know which targets are actually flashed. |
| 00:30:41 | [Rui] | Llorean: I know it isn't, but it's definitly different from most of these kind of devices. |
| 00:30:52 | [Rui] | Llorean: it's really neat & clean that you don't flash it! |
| 00:30:52 | Llorean | Huh? |
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| 00:31:17 | [Rui] | Llorean: small "embbeded" devices are usually flashed, not dual booted :D |
| 00:31:20 | Llorean | We don't flash any of the PortalPlayer based players, or the Gigabeats as far as I know. |
| 00:31:33 | linuxstb | We would if we could though... |
| 00:31:42 | [Rui] | Llorean: nopes, rockbox doesn't, which is really neat & clean |
| 00:31:45 | Llorean | We also don't flash the Archoses for the default install. |
| 00:32:06 | Llorean | The only ones requiring a flash are the Coldfires, in fact, afaik. The Archoses just have it as the better option. |
| 00:32:11 | Llorean | Or had |
| 00:32:18 | * | linuxstb notices an eerie silence on the ecos-discuss mailing list regarding the Karma patches... |
| 00:32:42 | Llorean | linuxstb: Has Rio been approached? |
| 00:32:52 | [Rui] | Llorean: nice... but of all the supported players, sansa have been the first I could find in Portugal that combined cheap, reasonable storage and free-ability |
| 00:32:59 | [Rui] | freeable, that is :D |
| 00:33:01 | linuxstb | Llorean: I don't think so. Do they still exist? |
| 00:33:11 | Llorean | linuxstb: Well there's whatever that rioaudio.com website is. |
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| 00:33:41 | Llorean | It's (C) 2008, so someone's updated it. And it offers firmware for the Rio Karma, so they're still distributing it, so whoever they are, they're liable under the license, right? |
| 00:34:17 | krazykit | Rio's IP was sold to Sigmatel, iirc |
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| 00:34:28 | linuxstb | Not necessarily - it could just be a script displaying the current year. But yes, someone is still distributing the firmware, so I would say they're still liable. |
| 00:34:39 | Llorean | Yeah, even if the script did it, someone owns the site. |
| 00:34:46 | Llorean | a script, rather |
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| 00:35:41 | linuxstb | I was hoping ukre would reply in the forum thread, but it seems he hasn't visited the forums for a few days, so hasn't seen my message. |
| 00:35:49 | crashmatrix | linuxstb: yep, mkfs.vfat doesn't handle -S 2048 nicely |
| 00:35:53 | crashmatrix | mtools works like a charm |
| 00:36:00 | Bagder | http://phx.corporate-ir.net/preview/phoenix.zhtml?c=146091&p=irol-newsArticle&t=Regular&id=735180& |
| 00:36:08 | crashmatrix | and I have working iPod again :) thanks for the help |
| 00:36:10 | amiconn | Llorean: Why 'had'? |
| 00:36:11 | Bagder | the press release about sigmatel and Rio |
| 00:36:20 | linuxstb | crashmatrix: What was the command you typed for mformat? I'll add it to the wiki. |
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| 00:37:18 | crashmatrix | linuxstb: mformat -S 2048 -M 2048 -F drive_letter: |
| 00:37:31 | Llorean | amiconn: You can't execute from ROM any more, so the major benefit is gone, right? |
| 00:37:42 | amiconn | One benefit is gone |
| 00:37:44 | crashmatrix | linuxstb: the current one is aimed at the 80 gig version only, it won't work on anything smaller in size |
| 00:37:56 | Llorean | Bagder: Oh, they're in Austin? Should I go knocking on doors? :-P |
| 00:38:05 | amiconn | The other benefit is the drastically reduced boot time, which is pretty major as well imo |
| 00:38:06 | Bagder | :-) |
| 00:38:10 | crashmatrix | err, 'current one' -> current mformat command in the IpodManualRestore page |
| 00:38:23 | Llorean | amiconn: Oh, I didn't know it reduced boot time. My error then. |
| 00:38:28 | linuxstb | crashmatrix: Yes, that's why I asked. So your line should work everywhere? |
| 00:38:39 | amiconn | By a factor of 3..4 ... |
| 00:38:40 | crashmatrix | linuxstb: theoretically, yes |
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| 00:39:15 | amiconn | (on recorders, that is) |
| 00:39:23 | linuxstb | crashmatrix: OK, wiki updated. Let's see if anyone complains in the future... |
| 00:40:23 | Llorean | Bagder: Their worldwide headquarters is a 10 minute drive from me, apparently. :) |
| 00:40:31 | [Rui] | Llorean: but I see what you mean about the power/stop button. behaviour is different on this more recent build. |
| 00:41:36 | linuxstb | Bagder: "The acquisition does not include any rights to ownership of the portable audio player products, inventory or trademarks associated with the Rio brand." |
| 00:42:06 | Bagder | right, but software and developments etc |
| 00:42:08 | [Rui] | Llorean: however if you navigate to an album, start playing, then press stop, you get to the list of tracks on that album and not to the menu that has resume, much less have it selectted for convenient resume |
| 00:42:26 | Bagder | so yeah, the site shouldn't be sigmatel's |
| 00:42:33 | [Rui] | Llorean: I understand now it's behaviour, but it's not very friendly |
| 00:42:47 | Llorean | Well, most people have fingers that don't have a problem with the Play/Pause button. |
| 00:43:04 | linuxstb | whois lists D&M holdings as owners of rioaudio.com... |
| 00:43:22 | [Rui] | Llorean: sports bracelets also have an opening for the big bad button only, which also doesn't help it :( |
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| 00:43:49 | Llorean | That's quite strange, and seems poor design of the sports bracelets |
| 00:43:58 | [Rui] | Llorean: yeah |
| 00:44:10 | [Rui] | Llorean: although they're made for sansa e2x0 |
| 00:44:48 | [Rui] | "griffin arm band" |
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| 00:48:55 | [Rui] | hey, anyways. goodnight and thanks for all the tips |
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| 00:52:53 | freedomlinux2 | I seem to have a power issue with rockbox (current build) on 1st gen iPod nano |
| 00:53:10 | freedomlinux2 | It installed and booted fine, once |
| 00:53:40 | freedomlinux2 | It now fails to boot into either rockbox or Apple firmware, with no visible action |
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| 00:56:18 | freedomlinux | There was never any indication of low battery - but I am charging on a dock right now to check battery status |
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| 01:04:42 | linuxstb | freedomlinux: Try resetting by holding MENU+SELECT |
| 01:04:48 | amiconn | jhMikeS: New mpegplayer seems to work on Mini (although I got a freeze with a white screen in the first try) |
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| 01:05:12 | amiconn | However, it looks like the greylib is still reinited when the OSD disappears |
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| 01:07:18 | amiconn | Oh, and when watching a widescreen video, the part of the OSD not covered by the video isn't cleared when the OSD disappears |
| 01:07:48 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 01:13:34 | amiconn | That also happens on H180, where there is another effect: if the video is moving and the OSD is visible, some of the printed numbers are "thinned out" |
| 01:15:48 | amiconn | Almost looks like the wrong drawmode is used for the text |
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| 01:16:14 | Instabin | hello |
| 01:16:50 | Instabin | What can I do to help get rockbox on the ipod nano 3g |
| 01:17:54 | linuxstb | Find ways to a) run third-party code on it; b) disassemble the (encrypted) original firmware so that reverse-engineering can start. |
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| 01:19:49 | Instabin | linuxstb: sounds like thats out of my difficulty level |
| 01:20:35 | Instabin | any tutorials anywhere? |
| 01:21:40 | Instabin | I have one sitting beside me |
| 01:21:52 | Instabin | the ipod nano 3g its an 8 gb model |
| 01:21:57 | krazykit | Instabin, it's really not something a "tutorial" is going to cover. for a) you'll need experience with c and embedded programming and find an exploit of sorts. b) you'll need some experience in cryptography |
| 01:23:07 | Instabin | Well thanks for the info |
| 01:24:13 | krazykit | Instabin, if you're goign to look into the cryptography of it, i *think* there is some general information in the zen thread in the New Ports forum. i might, at the least, show what you'd be in for |
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| 01:33:22 | DerPapst | though it's still unkown what algorithm apple has used to decrypt the firmware. it might be a custom algorithm. It's only know that apple has used openssl parts for their games. It might even (more likely is) possible apple is using different keys for decryption and encryption (called asymetric?). |
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| 01:38:31 | kugel | linuxstb: fs#59 |
| 01:38:36 | kugel | fs#5899 |
| 01:39:11 | kugel | I've done my work so far, though much more improvements possible. I'm happy that's working for now |
| 01:40:08 | JdGordon|w | kugel: are you keeping that patch alive in the hope its commited? or just for custom builds untill the list uses viewports more properly? |
| 01:40:36 | kugel | the second reason. I hope this encourages more people to use viewports |
| 01:41:32 | JdGordon|w | ok, cool :) |
| 01:41:59 | kugel | :) |
| 01:42:00 | JdGordon|w | im going to work on finshing the list tonight, unless i decide to be social |
| 01:42:58 | JdGordon|w | home time :D |
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| 01:52:56 | webguest34 | Hi |
| 01:53:01 | freedomlinux | okay - iPod now powered up in rockbox. |
| 01:53:02 | webguest34 | Can someone help me |
| 01:53:16 | freedomlinux | Still, it would be nice to have a charge indicator |
| 01:53:27 | webguest34 | What video format does rockbox work with? I have iPod Video |
| 01:53:37 | ptw419 | could exception vectors not being placed in IRAM prevent an ISR from working? |
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| 01:54:52 | DerPapst | webguest34: mpeg1 and mpeg2. check the manual or the wiki for more information |
| 01:54:59 | linuxstb | webguest34: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer - read the Introduction... |
| 01:55:34 | DerPapst | Good night everyone :-) |
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| 01:57:42 | markun | webguest34: although apple's firmware is a lot better at playing video on the ipod video than rockbox might ever get. |
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| 02:01:45 | ptw419 | .... |
| 02:02:48 | markun | que? |
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| 02:05:56 | ptw419 | i don't want to say too soon... |
| 02:07:00 | markun | ok :) |
| 02:07:46 | ptw419 | well, i think the bootloader just went into my ISR.. |
| 02:09:10 | ptw419 | i think i've finally gotten the interrupts to work on the S... |
| 02:09:18 | markun | I'll wait with the cheering until you know for sure :) |
| 02:09:20 | ptw419 | :)( |
| 02:09:29 | ptw419 | no, i'm sure of it now |
| 02:09:36 | markun | What was the problem all the time? |
| 02:09:45 | * | markun cheers! ;) |
| 02:09:50 | ptw419 | spsr:0x6000005D |
| 02:10:04 | ptw419 | cpsr:0x800000D3 |
| 02:10:10 | markun | Now you can start working on the USB driver :) |
| 02:10:14 | ptw419 | :) |
| 02:10:21 | ptw419 | the problem |
| 02:10:28 | ptw419 | omg, it was so simple... |
| 02:10:28 | markun | Which other parts didn't work without interrupts? |
| 02:10:36 | markun | what did you change? |
| 02:10:43 | ptw419 | in crt0.S |
| 02:10:59 | ptw419 | the copy of the exception vectors happened after the memory remap |
| 02:11:07 | ptw419 | I just copied them before the memory remap |
| 02:11:32 | * | ptw419 cries in frustration/happiness |
| 02:12:18 | markun | still weird that it doesn't after the remap, don't you think? |
| 02:12:32 | markun | doesn't work... |
| 02:12:37 | ptw419 | yes, but in a weird way it makes sense... |
| 02:12:49 | ptw419 | but still weird nonetheless |
| 02:13:01 | ptw419 | i won't complain though |
| 02:13:33 | ptw419 | rockbox would halt at beggining of load b/c of something to do with the interrupts |
| 02:13:40 | ptw419 | maybe this will help it go further :) |
| 02:13:45 | markun | so, now you continue getting the rockbox kernel to compile and run? |
| 02:13:53 | markun | yes |
| 02:14:10 | ptw419 | hopefully so |
| 02:14:20 | markun | The Gigabeat F port was also a little bit stuck before we got interrupts working |
| 02:14:34 | markun | after that things went really fast |
| 02:14:47 | ptw419 | yeah, interrupts mean alot |
| 02:15:01 | markun | is there some kind of rescue USB mode, or do you always need the OF? |
| 02:15:26 | ptw419 | i think i read aliask made a custom nk.bin |
| 02:15:36 | ptw419 | but i always dual boot w/ OF just in case... |
| 02:15:54 | markun | anyway, time for bed |
| 02:15:59 | ptw419 | but of course i also found that the bootloader is in flash, so it would be possible to replace the OF completely IMHO |
| 02:16:04 | ptw419 | same i'm off |
| 02:16:17 | markun | did you make a dump of the flash? |
| 02:17:22 | ptw419 | yes. all it is, is eboot.bin |
| 02:17:32 | ptw419 | i was going to update the wiki. i have a dump of the ROM as well |
| 02:17:40 | markun | cool |
| 02:17:53 | ptw419 | at boot it immediately jumps to flash and eboot.bin |
| 02:18:08 | markun | always good to see people are happy with my rockbox propaganda :) http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=5D84EEE6-3048-7B00-4171B479906D347D |
| 02:18:24 | ptw419 | :) |
| 02:18:41 | ptw419 | well gotta go. gn |
| 02:18:45 | markun | gn |
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| 02:21:48 | webguest34 | Do you guys know a good mpeg4 convertor |
| 02:23:05 | ptw419 | www.videohelp.com |
| 02:23:46 | krazykit | webguest34, the programs on the wiki will all convert mpeg4 to mpeg2 for use with rockbox |
| 02:31:17 | AKiPodCorrupt | wikikiki |
| 02:32:25 | AKiPodCorrupt | also, any-video-converter.com works |
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| 03:04:38 | freedomlinux | heh - its kinda quet |
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| 03:19:59 | evilnick | Bad news if anyone is reading |
| 03:20:36 | evilnick | I ordered one, it arrived today but the Samsung HS122JC has a ZIF connector so no joy for anyone with an iRiver or Gigabeat F 8( |
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| 03:52:21 | countrymonkey | Is there a faster way of voicebuilding than on cygwin? |
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| 03:54:25 | crzyboyster | Finally! I'm currently packaging the final (or near final) version of Cabbie 2.0 Default. Here's my question: I'm putting all of the ports together into one .rockbox folder, but the theme (.cfg) files are "obstructing" one other (as in they are all named "cabbie default.cfg" and "cabbie unifont.cfg". Is it necessary to have different filenames for each? |
| 03:58:38 | crzyboyster | I read somewhere that the .cfg files are generated for each theme during the compile process... What should I do? Does anyone have an idea? |
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| 04:00:16 | crzyboyster | Well, I'm on the last step and no one wants to help me or tell me what to do... |
| 04:00:59 | Soap | I know, lots of conversations stopped as soon as you entered the room, and everybody hushed. ;) |
| 04:01:46 | crzyboyster | Am I the plague? |
| 04:01:56 | Soap | But, seriously, it is 10PM EST, 4AM in much of Europe. This is normally a quiet time in this room, and the wrong time to expect fast answers. |
| 04:02:41 | Soap | You are not the plague - I figure the smiley ;) was enough to signify I was being sarcastic. The channel has been dead for almost an hour. |
| 04:02:50 | crzyboyster | Am I right about the theme files not being needed in the compiled version? |
| 04:03:01 | Soap | I would have answered if I knew. |
| 04:03:57 | crzyboyster | Hmm... onto other conversation. Are you looking forward to this theme being commited? |
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| 04:05:41 | Soap | I think it is a far superior default theme aesthetically, and feel it has emerged from the death-of-1000-inputs quite well - but I will never use it. |
| 04:06:18 | crzyboyster | Well, the truth is that I probably won't use it either :D |
| 04:07:22 | crzyboyster | See you! Hopefully I'll finish this up tomorrow! |
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| 05:53:44 | sctinman | Hey guys, I've got a question about threading (the wording in the wiki is a little vague). I was wondering if thread context switches occur anywhere else aside from calling yield/sleep() |
| 05:55:02 | sctinman | trying to fix this statusbar bug, and can't figure out where execution is being halted |
| 06:00 |
| 06:03:53 | JdGordon | sctinman: a few other places.. but I tihnk the problem is the poweroff is sent from an intterupt... |
| 06:04:28 | sctinman | grr that's what i was afraid off =/ |
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| 06:07:25 | JdGordon | there is truly no better place to think than the loo... |
| 06:07:31 | JdGordon | I know how to fix the bug... |
| 06:08:04 | JdGordon | without it looking too much like a hack |
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| 06:09:10 | JdGordon | although... why the heck does the radio force the statusbar anyway? |
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| 06:09:25 | Llorean | No native volume display? |
| 06:09:41 | JdGordon | is it that important? |
| 06:09:49 | Llorean | Until there's radio-WPSes, it *kinda* makes sense to force a battery and volume display |
| 06:09:49 | sctinman | my guess was perhaps an easy way to show mute,etc =/ beats me... |
| 06:09:59 | JdGordon | ok... ill band-aid this |
| 06:10:08 | Llorean | Also, can't radio be Stopped (or Paused, I'm not sure which)? |
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| 06:11:11 | sctinman | I think it's a stop, it cuts the tuner power |
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| 06:18:06 | AKiPodCorrupt | hewow |
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| 06:19:08 | JdGordon | sctinman: wanna test a patch? |
| 06:19:18 | sctinman | of course =] |
| 06:19:49 | JdGordon | dcc? |
| 06:20:38 | JdGordon | http://rafb.net/p/8aBw6X19.txt |
| 06:27:00 | sctinman | that's pretty clever =] (just waiting to compile =p) |
| 06:27:48 | JdGordon | braindead simple patch :) |
| 06:28:09 | JdGordon | I dont really want to put much work into the fm screen because a little fairy tells me it wont stay boring for much longer :p |
| 06:28:46 | JdGordon | 30min to copy 8gb :( so much for usb 2 |
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| 06:32:10 | sctinman | this is odd... my device won't boot with your patch =/ |
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| 06:32:20 | JdGordon | this is odd.... |
| 06:34:37 | sctinman | hrm, compiled fine, tried copying again, status and diff only show the changes in the patch, but I didn't see anything in it that wouldn't make it not boot =/ |
| 06:34:45 | AKiPodCorrupt_ | 8 gb patch? |
| 06:35:25 | JdGordon | sctinman: which target? |
| 06:35:41 | sctinman | sansa e200 |
| 06:36:28 | JdGordon | I doubt its the problem... but comment out the change in apps/main.c |
| 06:36:32 | JdGordon | its not really needed anyway |
| 06:36:36 | sctinman | alright |
| 06:36:42 | JdGordon | well.. hmm... it is needed :p |
| 06:36:49 | JdGordon | but can maybe be moved if thats the problem |
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| 06:38:32 | sctinman | hrm, nope still no boot |
| 06:39:44 | JdGordon | a clean build does boot though? |
| 06:39:53 | sctinman | yup |
| 06:40:03 | JdGordon | well thats a bit wierd :p |
| 06:40:07 | sctinman | was just trying it out early for my attempts at patching it |
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| 06:43:45 | JdGordon | ok, im going to play with other stuff while i wait for my sansa to get filled.... if you wanna play with that be my guest :) |
| 06:44:41 | DogBoy | I wanna put it on bash.org |
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| 07:15:06 | sctinman | JdGordon: I think I've got it, I think settings_list.c needs to be updated with the new variable |
| 07:15:20 | JdGordon | it shouldnt... |
| 07:15:42 | JdGordon | global_status shouldnt be persisted anywhere unless explicitly told to... |
| 07:16:32 | sctinman | oh I see, that's the purpose of the SYSTEM_SETTING macro? to hold those variables in nvram? |
| 07:17:10 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 07:17:41 | JdGordon | although... hmm.. change it to an int and add it to settings_list.c as a SYSTEM_SETTING() and see what happens... |
| 07:19:06 | sctinman | alright, will do. Just to make sure, nothing else needs to be changed, right? |
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| 07:19:48 | JdGordon | yeah |
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| 07:20:04 | JdGordon | mind you... i was confident it would just work :p |
| 07:25:30 | sctinman | well, that got it to boot, and I can't reproduce the bug =] |
| 07:27:02 | JdGordon | ok |
| 07:27:08 | sctinman | but, perhaps it should be moved elsewhere so it's not in nvram? |
| 07:27:11 | JdGordon | put up the diff somewhere? |
| 07:29:01 | sctinman | hope you don't mind I put it on the tracker http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8168 |
| 07:34:25 | * | JdGordon gets angry with the stupid OF doing a bloody db refresh |
| 07:34:47 | sctinman | with 8GB, ouch... |
| 07:35:22 | JdGordon | our refresh hack thing isnt perfect it seems :p |
| 07:38:12 | JdGordon | sctinman: ok, if it fixes it ill commit... |
| 07:38:43 | sctinman | hang on, I just thought of something I want to try |
| 07:38:49 | JdGordon | k |
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| 07:43:38 | sctinman | well, while this compiles: I'm not sure how nvram / global_status is setup, but I read in settings.h about inserting new nvram variables in between each other, and statusbar_forced was placed in between two other nvram entries, so perhaps it just needed to be moved in the struct? |
| 07:43:56 | AKiPodCorrupt | no |
| 07:44:25 | JdGordon | sctinman: dont worry... i removed it from nvram() |
| 07:44:39 | JdGordon | but yes your correct... that would cause a problem |
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| 07:44:42 | sctinman | ok, well then commit away =] |
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| 07:46:11 | JdGordon | done |
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| 08:01:39 | * | JdGordon is gui king! |
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| 08:25:11 | Llorean | JdGordon: I say wait. I see no rush to get list positioning in. |
| 08:26:12 | JdGordon | yeah, i tinhk i agree... |
| 08:27:05 | Llorean | I would say you should get the syntax done (how a user sets it) so the unsupported builds can play with your work in progress, and any themes that come from that will still work with the final, but that's hardly even important either |
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| 08:28:22 | JdGordon | meh, dont need to make things easier for unsupported builds :) |
| 08:28:31 | JdGordon | anyone got an ipod and use picture flow? |
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| 08:30:40 | JdGordon | pictureflow requires the db to be built? |
| 08:30:45 | GodEater | yep |
| 08:31:16 | JdGordon | suppose that makes sense... for some reason I thought it was folder based |
| 08:32:31 | JdGordon | if its using the db, why does it have such a hard time getting the track names in order? *confused* |
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| 08:34:31 | GodEater | you have badly tagged files ? :) |
| 08:34:53 | JdGordon | i dont though... |
| 08:35:04 | JdGordon | the order is completly random... not backwards |
| 08:35:42 | GodEater | I can't say I've noticed that myself |
| 08:35:45 | * | GodEater goes to chec |
| 08:35:47 | GodEater | +k |
| 08:36:12 | JdGordon | oohh... and you use an ipod dont you? |
| 08:36:18 | GodEater | yes |
| 08:36:23 | JdGordon | is the wheel backwards? |
| 08:37:01 | GodEater | er |
| 08:37:05 | GodEater | what do you mean ? |
| 08:37:31 | GodEater | hmm - I see what you mean on the track listing |
| 08:37:33 | JdGordon | clockwise goes to the pic on the left of the current one |
| 08:37:34 | GodEater | it's all over the place |
| 08:37:51 | GodEater | no |
| 08:38:02 | JdGordon | its fine in the track listing also? |
| 08:38:06 | GodEater | clockwise scrolls to the right |
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| 08:38:12 | GodEater | yeah it's fine in that too |
| 08:38:17 | JdGordon | k, must be a sansa thing then |
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| 08:38:38 | AKiPodToucher | i have a sansa |
| 08:38:38 | GodEater | I recall seeing a recent forum post about that on the sansa |
| 08:40:23 | AKiPodToucher | rockboxed |
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| 08:46:56 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yeah, it's a sansa thing |
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| 08:49:18 | JdGordon | not anymore... im commiting that button rename patch which fixes that |
| 08:49:28 | JdGordon | _FWD and _BACK make sense... |
| 08:49:31 | JdGordon | _UP _DOWN doesnt |
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| 08:50:01 | Llorean | Well one describes "which way I move the wheel" and the other describes" which direction the wheel moves the list" |
| 08:50:21 | JdGordon | right.. and the first is what the define should be discribing |
| 08:50:26 | JdGordon | bah |
| 08:50:28 | JdGordon | i cant spell |
| 08:51:22 | AKiPodToucher | hey |
| 08:51:57 | AKiPodToucher | can you test an ssh server on my ipod? |
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| 08:55:49 | GodEater | Llorean: are you a compulsive music tagger ? |
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| 08:57:12 | AKiPodToucher | obsessive compulsive |
| 08:57:39 | AKiPodToucher | AllahEater, i am |
| 08:57:47 | scorche | AKiPodToucher: stay on topic... |
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| 08:58:39 | Llorean | GodEater: A bit of one, yes. Generally speaking, if I realize my tags are bad, I strip all tags, put them in a Genre |
| 08:58:40 | Llorean | Er |
| 08:58:54 | Llorean | Genre\Artist\Album\Num - Trackname.format filetree, and then generate tags from it |
| 08:59:02 | GodEater | ok - can I get your advice on something then ? |
| 08:59:09 | DavidRawson | i do album/ |
| 08:59:17 | Llorean | Perhaps, but I'm not too sure what good it'll be |
| 08:59:26 | GodEater | http://www.discogs.com/release/553648 <−− trying to tag that |
| 08:59:39 | * | amiconn always generates filenames from tags, never vice versa |
| 08:59:41 | GodEater | the CD only has 17 tracks on it, therefore that's how many music files I ended up with |
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| 09:00:00 | GodEater | but as you can see from that listing, there's quite a few more than 17 tracks present |
| 09:00:30 | GodEater | 31 in fact |
| 09:00:51 | Llorean | GodEater: Honestly? I'd probably rip it as a WAV, and start compulsively cutting tracks by hand. |
| 09:00:54 | amiconn | Among other reasons, tags allow some characters which are not allowed in file names, but are part of several song titles (e.g. the question mark) |
| 09:01:01 | GodEater | Llorean: not possible |
| 09:01:09 | DavidRawson | YaweihEater, has the usb data stacks been implemented yet? |
| 09:01:14 | Llorean | Just saying, I'm a bit compulsive. |
| 09:01:18 | GodEater | the composite tracks are interleaved from one end to the other |
| 09:01:41 | krazykit | DavidRawson, read the MajorChanges page. it explains usb well enough for the end user |
| 09:01:51 | GodEater | perhaps I'll just stick with the first track name mentioned on the page and skip the rest =/ |
| 09:02:13 | DavidRawson | so usb works... cool |
| 09:02:23 | krazykit | DavidRawson, you obviously didn't read it. |
| 09:02:42 | DavidRawson | better charging |
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| 09:03:09 | JdGordon | anyone else think Bagder brought up the release just to shit-stir? |
| 09:03:26 | DavidRawson | Badger? |
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| 09:04:29 | Llorean | JdGordon: I've been complaining about the lack of one on and off for a while |
| 09:05:00 | JdGordon | ? |
| 09:05:38 | Llorean | Lack of a release? |
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| 09:11:13 | GodEater | Llorean: problem solved for me - it's listed in freedb.org, so I went with their track names |
| 09:11:48 | Llorean | That works |
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| 09:13:13 | * | GodEater is adding them to the Musicbrainz database and didn't want to screw it up |
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| 09:15:56 | Hans-Martin | morning folks... I am experiencing a crash when playing a .mp3 file in the simulator (iriver simulated in Ubuntu Linux). In tracker, I only found a bug report about 64bit linux but my system is 32bit. Is anything known about this? |
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| 09:17:40 | Hans-Martin | the problem is most likely threading related and occurs at different places in the code, indicating some memory corruption bug |
| 09:19:44 | lostlogic | JdGordon: thank god. I've been ready to break something over that. |
| 09:20:00 | JdGordon | ? |
| 09:20:02 | Hans-Martin | ah, now I see that someone else was having the same problem: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14557.msg109088 |
| 09:21:15 | lostlogic | JdGordon: your most recent commit |
| 09:21:44 | JdGordon | it never actually clicked they were backwards untill now :p |
| 09:22:19 | JdGordon | wtf with the ipod diff? |
| 09:22:37 | lostlogic | hrm? |
| 09:22:56 | JdGordon | it somehow added 2k to the ram usage for renaming a #define! |
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| 10:20:59 | GodEater | Nico_P: have you got anywhere with isolating those sound break ups yet ? |
| 10:21:34 | pondlife | Hans-Martin: If you have any kind of reproducible issue, it would be useful if you could try older builds to see which commit broke it. |
| 10:24:44 | zicho | Is there cover flow available for rockbox? |
| 10:25:09 | homielowe | Anyone have any idea whats going on when I'm trying to build a sim under ubuntu http://pastebin.ca/849221? |
| 10:25:26 | GodEater | zicho: there's a plugin which does some of what coverflow does - it's called pictureflow |
| 10:25:41 | zicho | GodEater: Where can i find it? |
| 10:25:47 | GodEater | zicho: it's included with rockbox |
| 10:26:04 | zicho | GodEater: Ah. Thx |
| 10:26:42 | Bagder | homielowe: first, running make as root is not a good idea |
| 10:27:03 | GodEater | doing much of *anything* as root is not a good idea |
| 10:27:05 | * | homielowe is a linux newbie :P |
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| 10:27:52 | Bagder | but then I'm a bit puzzled, since it seems convbdf gets very funny |
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| 10:28:11 | GodEater | Bagder: are the complaints from svn about encoding any clue ? |
| 10:28:25 | homielowe | hmm still silly when just run normal |
| 10:28:44 | Bagder | GodEater: I can't see that they should matter |
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| 10:29:05 | Bagder | homielowe: have you built other stuff with this compiler setup? |
| 10:29:45 | Bagder | brb |
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| 10:32:05 | homielowe | Well I was just building the iphone toolchain this morning, sdl etc(for iphone), seems only rockbox complained, will try building a regular build though first (iPod 5G) |
| 10:37:21 | Bagder | this isn't strictly "rockbox" complaining |
| 10:37:29 | Bagder | this is convbdf that can't run |
| 10:37:45 | Bagder | and that is an executable that is built as part of the rockbox build process |
| 10:38:57 | Bagder | where's this source from? |
| 10:39:12 | homielowe | Rockbox? |
| 10:39:23 | Bagder | yes, but is it svn or a tarball etc? |
| 10:39:35 | * | GodEater guesses svn on account of the svn messages |
| 10:39:43 | Bagder | ah of course... |
| 10:39:55 | homielowe | SVN , just today |
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| 10:41:26 | homielowe | i'll redownload and build everything from source and see if that fixes it |
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| 11:14:05 | loklaan | hey, anyone listening? |
| 11:14:11 | Bagder | yes |
| 11:14:32 | loklaan | i was wondering where i can change the values of where playlists are saved? |
| 11:14:55 | loklaan | i want them just to save to the default PLAYLIST instead of Playlists |
| 11:15:44 | Bagder | the manual doesn't tell? |
| 11:15:59 | * | Bagder never saved a playlist with Rockbox on any of his targets |
| 11:19:01 | loklaan | haha |
| 11:19:05 | loklaan | nope |
| 11:19:19 | loklaan | no option to specify where the playlists should save |
| 11:19:28 | loklaan | and imm not quite sure where to look |
| 11:19:30 | loklaan | haha |
| 11:19:38 | loklaan | like in a file somehwere in the installation |
| 11:20:08 | loklaan | and right now im using my computer to much to use VMware and edit the source |
| 11:20:13 | loklaan | or look in the source |
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| 11:22:21 | homielowe | fixed my problem |
| 11:22:32 | Bagder | homielowe: what was it? |
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| 11:24:59 | homielowe | Bagder: Not too sure, but was able to build the a sim and a regular build after a rebuild |
| 11:25:19 | homielowe | -the |
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| 11:43:24 | Bagder | Casainho: about the L9260 board, does it have any audio out? |
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| 11:46:48 | Casainho_ | Bagder: No |
| 11:47:38 | * | GodEater struggles to see how that would be useful for a rockbox player then... |
| 11:49:15 | Casainho_ | "We decided to use the TLV320AIC23 IC AUDIO STEREO CODEC 28-TSSOP - cost $6,5 in Digikey." - DAC - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPlayerV1 |
| 11:50:00 | Casainho_ | that IC 24 bits resolution and with headphone amplifier integrated :-) |
| 11:51:34 | * | GodEater has found another MrH |
| 11:54:54 | petur | Casainho: any info on the gain range and steps for the line-in part? I only saw 0 or 20dB gain for the microphone input. |
| 11:56:30 | Hans-Martin | pondlife: ok, what would be a reasonable sequence of revisions to try? Does it make sense to go back by date? I am a svn newbie, is there any way of picking revisions which are considered stable? |
| 11:58:05 | markun | GodEater: what kind of info do you get from him? |
| 11:58:25 | pondlife | Hans-Martin: I would try to find an old one that works fine (say 15000), then if you can do this, binary chop between SVN revision numbers. |
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| 11:59:07 | pondlife | e.g. 15000 works, so try 15500. If this fails try 15250... repeat until you find the culprit |
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| 12:00:21 | GodEater | GodEater: hehe - none - I just noticed some guy who contributes to the MusicBrainz database with the same alias ;) |
| 12:00:28 | * | GodEater talks to himself |
| 12:00:34 | GodEater | markun: that was to you ;) |
| 12:05:15 | markun | ah :) |
| 12:06:06 | Casainho_ | petur: I don't know, I don't have experiencie |
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| 12:06:49 | petur | Casainho_: I ask you because I can't find it in the 'datasheet', maybe you have a real datasheet of it? |
| 12:07:10 | Casainho_ | petur: Spark is in the team of developers and he already used that IC on their DSPdap: http://dspdap.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:07:29 | petur | having no gain steps in line-in would not be interesting and we could use a new recording target |
| 12:07:47 | Casainho_ | http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tlv320aic23b.html |
| 12:08:08 | Casainho_ | look and tell what you think |
| 12:09:01 | petur | it does say Integrated Programmable Gain Amplifier but no more info, and there is no real datasheet that I could see |
| 12:10:02 | Casainho_ | http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlv320aic23b.pdf ??? |
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| 12:10:59 | * | petur missed that part :/ |
| 12:11:08 | Casainho | there is other Open hardwarep layer using that dac IC: ARM MP3/AAC Player - http://www.mikrocontroller.net/articles/ARM_MP3/AAC_Player |
| 12:12:42 | Casainho | petur: if you think that is ok, please tell, write a messagem in the forum or leave at TWiki: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPlayerV1 |
| 12:12:45 | petur | bah... 12 dB to –34.5 dB in 1.5-dB steps... better than nothing I suppose |
| 12:12:53 | * | pondlife wonders if jhMikeS could look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8431 some time. |
| 12:13:19 | pondlife | Nico_P: Do you run the sim under Windows? |
| 12:13:28 | markun | petur: what kind of range and steps would you prefer? |
| 12:13:28 | Casainho | well, If want sugest another IC, nice! :-) |
| 12:13:37 | pondlife | (or rather, can you run the sim under Windows?) |
| 12:14:17 | petur | 0.5dB steps would have been nice (and make AGC usable). at least 20dB gain would have been nice. |
| 12:14:41 | Hans-Martin | pondlife: ok, I'll try. |
| 12:15:32 | pondlife | Hans-Martin: It can be slow work - keep a notepad handy with two columns on it (WORKS and FAILS). Then write SVN rev numbers down as you do the tests. |
| 12:18:05 | Casainho | petur: If you have experiencie, please help chosing the DAC IC - I am curious about what others players like IPODS, sansas, etc uses... |
| 12:20:30 | * | petur has no real idea |
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| 12:21:57 | Nico_P | pondlife: no, I only use linux |
| 12:22:03 | Nico_P | nice find btw |
| 12:22:36 | pondlife | I wonder if that's why it only locks for me |
| 12:22:39 | Nico_P | GodEater: not yet, no. Fixing FS #5797 took me a lot of time |
| 12:22:44 | pondlife | Maybe an SDL/Windows bug :/ |
| 12:22:48 | Nico_P | possible |
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| 12:24:18 | pondlife | Nico_P: Continuing good work by the way. I'm happy that my prediction of a buffering API leading to playback code that can actually be worked on has come true ;) |
| 12:24:30 | GodEater | Nico_P: you fixed that??? Genius! Well done! |
| 12:24:44 | Casainho | petur: I think a good ideia would be learning with others work :-) - looking for other DACs ICs on others players that Rockbox works :-) - unfortunaly I don't have time to do that... |
| 12:24:50 | Nico_P | GodEater: thanks :) |
| 12:25:14 | Nico_P | pondlife: yeah, playback.c is much simpler now. I think I actually understand most of it now ;) |
| 12:26:07 | Nico_P | GodEater: see r16039 ;) |
| 12:26:16 | LinusN | the core voice codec helped a lot too |
| 12:26:28 | Nico_P | indeed |
| 12:26:31 | * | pondlife pats himself on the back, even though Nico_P did all the work :) |
| 12:26:43 | pondlife | (well, 99% of it) |
| 12:26:53 | Nico_P | it would've been much harder without your proposal |
| 12:27:10 | pondlife | Heh, I think I've moved from hacker to management. |
| 12:27:16 | pondlife | :( |
| 12:27:32 | pondlife | Next stop, sales. |
| 12:27:45 | Nico_P | hehe, or release manager ;) |
| 12:28:07 | pondlife | I considered it, but I doubt I'm around reliably enough. |
| 12:28:15 | pondlife | Real Life remains busy. |
| 12:40:43 | LinusN | tell me about it |
| 12:43:53 | Hans-Martin | pondlife: ok, first try with revision 15000 crashes just like current revision does. I'm triyng with 14000 now, and if it crashes, too, I conclude that the problem is outside of rockbox |
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| 12:47:00 | Nico_P | Hans-Martin: what's the issue you're investigating? |
| 12:51:15 | Hans-Martin | Nico_P: my simulator crashes when playing MP3 files (and OGG, too). I think it has got to do with /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0 |
| 12:51:24 | Nico_P | ok |
| 12:52:15 | Hans-Martin | ok, revision 14000 crashes as well, so it's definitely not rockbox related. now where do I get a working /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0? |
| 12:56:09 | GodEater | how do you know that's where the problem is ? |
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| 12:58:09 | Hans-Martin | GodEater: it's just a guess. If 3 very dissimilar revisions of rockbox crash with the same error in the simulator, I think it's likely that the cause it outside of rockbox. |
| 12:58:27 | Hans-Martin | or am I the only one trying to run the simulator on linux? |
| 12:58:47 | GodEater | no - I run it there all the time |
| 12:59:17 | GodEater | which simulator have you built ? (Not that it should matter) |
| 12:59:40 | Hans-Martin | the iriver H1x0 (as that's my target) |
| 12:59:53 | GodEater | and you're running ubuntu of some flavour ? |
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| 13:00:43 | Hans-Martin | yup. There's a bug report for the same problem by someone using debian at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14557.msg109088 so I guess it's not ubuntu specific but debian |
| 13:00:59 | Hans-Martin | (ubuntu is a debian variant) |
| 13:01:14 | Hans-Martin | what distro do you use? |
| 13:01:26 | GodEater | ubuntu |
| 13:01:29 | GodEater | :) |
| 13:01:31 | Hans-Martin | weird... |
| 13:01:34 | GodEater | which version are you on ? |
| 13:01:42 | * | GodEater is about to build the sim now to see if he can re-produce |
| 13:01:47 | Hans-Martin | feisty |
| 13:01:53 | GodEater | ah - I'm on gutsy |
| 13:01:58 | LinusN | i run the sim a lot, but i don't often play music with it |
| 13:01:58 | GodEater | perhaps worth an upgrade ? |
| 13:02:22 | GodEater | which platform too ? |
| 13:02:26 | * | GodEater is on x86 |
| 13:02:38 | Hans-Martin | wait - I was wrong. running guts here, too, on AMD x86 |
| 13:02:51 | * | GodEater has true intel hardware |
| 13:03:08 | Hans-Martin | but that should not make a difference if I'm not mistaken |
| 13:03:38 | GodEater | my build is nearly done |
| 13:03:41 | GodEater | hang on :) |
| 13:04:20 | * | GodEater curses rockdoom once mor |
| 13:04:22 | GodEater | +e |
| 13:04:35 | Hans-Martin | GodEater: what does "ls -l /usr/lib/libSDL-1*" answer on your machine? |
| 13:05:33 | Hans-Martin | (it might be possible that some upgrading step didn't work right here - I had some issues with other stuff after upgrading between two versions) |
| 13:05:41 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/849360 |
| 13:06:48 | GodEater | does it crash immediately ? |
| 13:07:04 | * | GodEater is currently listening to some nice mp3s courtesy of the h1x0 sim... |
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| 13:08:07 | GodEater | heh - neat, I didn't know it rendered the remote too! |
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| 13:10:09 | GodEater | while we're on the subject of the sims - has anyone noticed that the background image for the ipod (video at least, not checked the others) has the wheel controls labelled the wrong way roudn ? |
| 13:12:29 | Hans-Martin | GodEater: not immediately but very quickly (sometimes showing the playing screen, sometimes not). I don't get any sound. |
| 13:12:40 | Hans-Martin | your file is definitely the same as mine |
| 13:13:06 | GodEater | well playback is working just fine here =/ |
| 13:13:12 | GodEater | I'm well into my 5th track now |
| 13:13:34 | GodEater | is there a debug version of libSDL in apt ? |
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| 13:50:28 | markun | evilnick: in case you read the logs: I'm sorry to hear that the drive had a ZIF connector after all. But there might be hope, did you see this post http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2008-01/0004.shtml |
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| 13:52:30 | petur | markun: so the HS122JC also has a ZIF :/ |
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| 13:54:18 | Casainho | Bagder: are you there? |
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| 13:59:00 | petur | markun: we should have googled it first, this link (last post) says it is ZIF: http://www.leog.net/fujp_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12028 |
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| 14:00:08 | PaulJam | does it have the same ZIF connector like the newer toshiba drives? |
| 14:01:28 | petur | probably |
| 14:01:29 | markun | PaulJam: you mean the CE-ATA interface? I hope he was talking about the normal ZIF 40 |
| 14:02:16 | PaulJam | in that case it might be possible to build an adapter. see http://www.stolltech.ch/iriver.pdf |
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| 14:09:41 | petur | http://www.spinpointwave.com/product/lineup_02.asp |
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| 14:18:05 | setsukun | Hello. |
| 14:18:26 | setsukun | Is Rockbox available for the Zune yet? |
| 14:18:54 | PaulJam | no, and i don't think anyone is actively working on a port. |
| 14:18:59 | setsukun | :\ |
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| 14:21:34 | setsukun | Any specific reason why? |
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| 14:23:46 | PaulJam | the zune has some security features that prevent third party software to run on the device afaik. |
| 14:24:20 | setsukun | Ah. |
| 14:24:52 | setsukun | Digital signatures for firmware updates and stuff? |
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| 14:25:21 | setsukun | Man, I just want to be able to put video on my Zune easier. |
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| 14:25:30 | setsukun | It takes forever to convert crap. |
| 14:25:42 | GodEater | installing rockbox wouldn't help you there |
| 14:25:47 | GodEater | you'd still have to convert it |
| 14:26:31 | setsukun | It's the hardware that prevents the Zune from playing different file types? |
| 14:26:50 | setsukun | That really doesn't make sense, at least to me. |
| 14:27:03 | GodEater | it's not the file *types* as such |
| 14:27:21 | GodEater | more that no DAP in existence currently is powerful enough to resize video on the fly |
| 14:27:32 | Domonoky | setsukun: its the screen size, it doesnt make sense to decode video with higher resolution than the screen on a small hardware... |
| 14:27:39 | GodEater | so any video you want to play on it has to be pre-sized to the screen dimensions |
| 14:27:57 | GodEater | at which point you might as well convert it to an easy to decode format |
| 14:28:08 | setsukun | Ah. |
| 14:28:36 | setsukun | Domonoky, so basically the video would look horrible without being converted to the right resolution? |
| 14:29:11 | GodEater | well you'd only be able to see a small fraction of it |
| 14:29:19 | setsukun | Ah. |
| 14:29:23 | Domonoky | setsukun: it would have to be resized on the fly,, otherwise you would only see part of it... and resizing costs zoo much cpu power |
| 14:30:34 | PaulJam | little question for the playback/buffering experts: i noticed on my h300 that the disk occasionally spins up at a track transition. it seems to do that on every track transition after a rebuffering occured. is there a special reason for this? (i haven't yet tested if this is related to a specific setting) |
| 14:31:53 | Nico_P | PaulJam: seems strange, but I'm not sure I understand your description... do you mean the disk will spin up after each track change? |
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| 14:32:55 | PaulJam | Nico_P: no, only the first track transition after rebuffering. |
| 14:33:27 | setsukun | So at this point there's no custom firmware for the Zune? |
| 14:33:34 | GodEater | setsukun: nope |
| 14:33:52 | setsukun | Damn. |
| 14:33:54 | GodEater | setsukun: there was a hoax attempt (as far as we could tell) to get linux running on it. But it eventually disappeared. |
| 14:34:01 | setsukun | lol |
| 14:34:07 | setsukun | I remember seeing that. |
| 14:34:09 | Nico_P | PaulJam: ah. do you use the collect runtime data feature? |
| 14:34:25 | PaulJam | Nico_P: yes, i use that |
| 14:34:33 | Nico_P | and your DB isn't loaded to RAM? |
| 14:34:38 | setsukun | Everytime I search Google for Zune relates things I get forum posts from like the beinnging of '06 to about June. |
| 14:34:44 | setsukun | Related* |
| 14:34:46 | PaulJam | it is loaded to ram |
| 14:35:07 | setsukun | Is there any custom Zune programs out there? |
| 14:35:12 | setsukun | PC side. |
| 14:35:17 | GodEater | wrong place to ask |
| 14:35:25 | setsukun | I suppose. |
| 14:35:36 | Nico_P | PaulJam: hmm... I think it could be related to runtime data or maybe something like resume info saving... I'd need to investigate. |
| 14:35:50 | setsukun | But I can't find anywhere else via Google except old posts that are useless to me because they use the old Zune software. |
| 14:35:52 | Nico_P | Maybe you could try disabling runtime data collection to see if it changes things |
| 14:36:13 | Nico_P | I'm just speaking off the top of my head here, haven't looked at any code |
| 14:36:19 | PaulJam | Nico_P: ok, i'll try that. |
| 14:36:24 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
| 14:36:49 | GodEater | setsukun: I promise this is still the wrong place to ask. None of us here own a Zune. |
| 14:37:05 | setsukun | K. |
| 14:37:12 | setsukun | I have an iPod, too. |
| 14:37:18 | setsukun | I just don't use it that much anymore. |
| 14:37:18 | GodEater | lucky you |
| 14:37:19 | setsukun | lol |
| 14:37:42 | setsukun | Kinda thinking about returning my Zune. |
| 14:37:49 | PaulJam | Nico_P: I just wanted to ask if this is aleady known, so i don't spend much to much reproducing an issue that is already known. |
| 14:37:52 | setsukun | I was hoping I would be able to put custom firmware onto it. |
| 14:38:05 | setsukun | Anyway, thank you very much for your help. |
| 14:38:08 | GodEater | that's the sort of thing I'd research *before* buying... |
| 14:38:09 | GodEater | :) |
| 14:38:17 | setsukun | Have a good one, guys. |
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| 14:38:33 | Nico_P | PaulJam: you did well |
| 14:42:18 | Nico_P | GodEater: are you available for patch testing? |
| 14:42:22 | GodEater | yep |
| 14:42:55 | * | GodEater has nearly finished with his MusicBrainz adventure |
| 14:44:48 | Nico_P | GodEater: you have a reliable way of reproducing the skipping issue, don't you? |
| 14:45:21 | GodEater | well - it happens a lot |
| 14:45:32 | GodEater | I've not managed to find a *reliable* way to do it though |
| 14:45:55 | Nico_P | ok |
| 14:46:02 | Nico_P | http://pastebin.ca/849419 |
| 14:46:16 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: ping |
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| 15:00:47 | Nico_P | GodEater: any better? |
| 15:01:31 | PaulJam | Nico_P: ah, when disabling "gather runtime data" it doesn't seem to happen anymore (at least on the first test, i don't know if it is reliably reproduceable). |
| 15:01:49 | GodEater | still doing it :( |
| 15:02:07 | Nico_P | PaulJam: my guess is that the unbuffer callbacks spin the disk up for some reason |
| 15:02:10 | Nico_P | GodEater: oh :( |
| 15:06:56 | GodEater | yeah it's no better at all |
| 15:06:57 | GodEater | damn |
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| 15:16:36 | pondlife | Nico_P: I noticed that the sim opens files when they unbuffer, too. |
| 15:17:57 | Nico_P | pondlife: what files? the audio files? |
| 15:18:00 | pondlife | Yes |
| 15:18:40 | pondlife | I'm not certain that I was running the latest SVN at the time though. |
| 15:18:53 | pondlife | Have been time travelling :) |
| 15:19:23 | pondlife | p.s. I don't think pcmbuf should have any dependency on buffering.... re your pastebin |
| 15:20:00 | pondlife | Not with my H300 at the moment though, so can't test. |
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| 15:22:23 | * | preglow flanges |
| 15:23:02 | Nico_P | pondlife: well this patch doesn't seem to improve things anyway |
| 15:23:17 | Nico_P | I need to look more closely it seems |
| 15:23:40 | pondlife | Do we know for sure if it's buffering being blocked, or codec being blocked (and by what)? |
| 15:23:54 | pondlife | Smells like a missing yield() in buffering to me. |
| 15:24:14 | pondlife | But I've no scientific evidence ;) |
| 15:24:27 | Nico_P | jhMikeS seemed to think the codec thread was being given high priority, thus starving the buffering thread |
| 15:24:41 | Nico_P | all because the pcm buffer is low |
| 15:25:06 | Nico_P | preglow: what does that mean? |
| 15:25:11 | pondlife | Hmm, so the codec thread has no data to process? |
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| 15:25:39 | Nico_P | yes, because it doesn't give the buffering thread time to get more |
| 15:25:59 | Nico_P | but that's just speculation on my part, based on what jhMikeSsaid |
| 15:27:59 | Bagder | Casainho: here now |
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| 15:32:39 | Nico_P | Bagder: hi! regarding your blog post on coverity, I was curious to know whether you ever submitted rockbox for scan |
| 15:33:35 | Bagder | I didn't... partly because rockbox flaws aren't as troublesome and partly because I'm not sure we've been ready to deal with the results |
| 15:34:08 | petur | :) |
| 15:34:34 | Bagder | but their scanner is mighty cool |
| 15:35:00 | Nico_P | are you afraid the result are going to be catastrophic? :p |
| 15:35:16 | Bagder | I more or less assume that the results will be a huge list of flaws |
| 15:35:28 | Bagder | and a lot of them will be in 3rd party code |
| 15:35:45 | Nico_P | makes sense |
| 15:36:12 | Nico_P | I tried to run splint on the code but didn't manage because of "exotic" macro use |
| 15:36:28 | preglow | i don't think it's worth putting rockbox through that |
| 15:36:31 | preglow | let projects that need it more use it |
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| 15:38:26 | Nico_P | are there any other useful static code analysis tools? |
| 15:38:49 | Bagder | http://www.dwheeler.com/flawfinder/ |
| 15:41:06 | Bagder | but my experience with that is that the list of false positives are a bit annoying |
| 15:44:01 | Nico_P | yeah and these tools seem to be writtent with security in mind, which is good but not so relevant for rockbox |
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| 15:45:13 | Hans-Martin | Nico_P: well security issues often translate into obscure crashes, so removing such bugs has its value... |
| 15:47:59 | Nico_P | indeed, but we don't need to get paranoid about every static buffer or unchecked function call |
| 15:49:35 | Hans-Martin | sure, especially if number_of_false_positives * time_to_analyze_each_issue gets too high, which would probably be the case here. |
| 15:55:45 | Nico_P | pondlife, GodEater: could you possibly describe the behaviour of the buffers in a skipping situation by looking at the buffering debug screen? |
| 15:57:24 | GodEater | Nico_P: that's tricky - because the skipping only happens at the start of playback - which means I can rarely get to the debug screen in time |
| 15:57:33 | Nico_P | ah |
| 15:58:49 | Casainho | Bagder: I did answer on forum :-) |
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| 16:00:15 | Casainho | Bagder: If you have some other question, ideas, please tell now :-) |
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| 16:14:29 | GodEater | bash question : How do I get back a list of directories that *don't* contain file X ? |
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| 16:17:42 | Bagder | GodEater: find -type d | grep -v X |
| 16:17:49 | Bagder | or possibly a more advanced find line |
| 16:18:10 | Bagder | uhm, scrap that |
| 16:18:16 | GodEater | yeah that won't work :) |
| 16:18:17 | Hans-Martin | perhaps using the -exec option of find |
| 16:18:26 | Bagder | I reread the question again and my line wasn't that smart |
| 16:19:04 | GodEater | I have "find . -name cover.bmp | cut −−delimiter=/ −−fields=2" so far to find all the directories which *do* contain it, I'm trying to work out how to subtract that list from the complete list of directories now :) |
| 16:19:54 | Bagder | here's one way |
| 16:19:59 | Hans-Martin | that can be done using grep |
| 16:20:08 | Bagder | cat include-list fullist | sort | uniq -u |
| 16:21:11 | Hans-Martin | grep -v -f include-list full-list |
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| 16:25:15 | GodEater | neither of those appear to work =/ |
| 16:26:12 | GodEater | ah no - my fault |
| 16:26:15 | GodEater | thanks chaps ;) |
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| 16:26:45 | Nico_P | GodEater: I have a patch to make the debug screen popup right when playback starts |
| 16:27:01 | Nico_P | should've written that one loooong ago :( |
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| 16:29:19 | GodEater | Nico_P: hit me up with it then ;) |
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| 16:30:08 | amiconn | jhMikeS: ping |
| 16:30:27 | Nico_P | GodEater: http://pastebin.ca/849491 |
| 16:31:52 | Nico_P | the WPS will use the sysfont once you exit, but that's corrected simply by showing another screen then going back to the WPS |
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| 16:32:54 | Nico_P | GodEater: my guess is that you'll see the pcm buffer struggling, and the usfl bar too |
| 16:35:22 | GodEater | will let you know |
| 16:35:25 | GodEater | I'm already compiling |
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| 16:40:15 | GodEater | got to nip out Nico_P will let you know when I get back |
| 16:40:28 | Nico_P | ok |
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| 17:16:51 | jhMikeS | amiconn: here |
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| 17:19:05 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Check today's log starting 01:04 (log time) |
| 17:21:55 | jhMikeS | amiconn: one time only or is it repeatable? |
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| 17:24:16 | jhMikeS | there's no greylib reinit but I have to stop the timer briefly or else the caches can't be flushed/invalidated properly. greylib has no "pause" function. |
| 17:24:39 | krazykit | virtualbox |
| 17:24:45 | krazykit | er, sorry, wrong terminal. |
| 17:27:59 | jhMikeS | it would be nice to be able to not force the rb->lcd_update part |
| 17:30:11 | * | jhMikeS seems to have left a few step out of the "pause" as well :\ |
| 17:33:26 | amiconn | Why do you need to flush caches when hiding the osd? That doesn't seem to happen when it pops up, only when it hides |
| 17:33:43 | GodEater | Nico_P: back now |
| 17:34:45 | GodEater | Nico_P: pcmbuf does indeed drop off to nothing |
| 17:35:03 | jhMikeS | amiconn: because the framebuffer is cached and bits and pieces of the OSD will remain on screen if paused |
| 17:35:30 | Nico_P | GodEater: what about real and usfl? |
| 17:35:53 | jhMikeS | ...since the video image is always rendered on COP |
| 17:36:06 | GodEater | usefl and real both stay at nothing until well after the song has started |
| 17:36:08 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: what do you think of http://pastebin.ca/849419 ? Am I missing something? |
| 17:36:26 | Nico_P | GodEater: so basically all bars stay empty? |
| 17:36:50 | Nico_P | (apart from alloc) |
| 17:36:58 | GodEater | yep |
| 17:37:32 | Nico_P | yeah I'm pretty sure that means the code thread starves the buffering thread, as jhMikeS suggested |
| 17:40:24 | GodEater | code = codec in above sentence ? |
| 17:40:38 | Nico_P | yes, sorry |
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| 17:41:59 | GodEater | :) |
| 17:42:15 | saratoga | looks like we got another karma dev in that thread |
| 17:42:48 | * | GodEater goes to look |
| 17:42:53 | saratoga | i wonder if any of them still have old datasheets |
| 17:43:57 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: yeah, that looks good. does it work? |
| 17:44:02 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: no |
| 17:44:36 | GodEater | saratoga: I already asked that of the ones I actually know in person - none of them do |
| 17:46:16 | GodEater | so all we need to do is track down an original rio karma cd |
| 17:46:35 | * | GodEater ponders the wisdom of walking out on your wife and leaving such things behind |
| 17:46:54 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: interesting. another thing that happens is it yields every 16K but still does the extra sleep() thing which be a factor since that effectively lowers it's priority. |
| 17:48:08 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: it shouldn't sleep, as the buffer is low |
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| 17:48:31 | Nico_P | unless the critical level is too low |
| 17:49:07 | Nico_P | GodEater: could you tell me what kind of value usfl has when the skipping happens? |
| 17:49:21 | * | GodEater goes to restore that built |
| 17:49:24 | GodEater | *build |
| 17:50:01 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: that's right...hmmm |
| 17:50:03 | GodEater | it's really really low :) |
| 17:50:09 | GodEater | but I'll get you an exactish figure |
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| 17:50:51 | Nico_P | I especially want to know whether it's below 131072 |
| 17:51:05 | Nico_P | i.e. 1024*128, the current critical level value |
| 17:51:08 | jhMikeS | are multiple files being buffered at once at this stage? |
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| 17:51:27 | Nico_P | maybe |
| 17:51:57 | petur | evilnick: sorry to hear about the samsung disk. What interface does it have? |
| 17:52:14 | evilnick | Some kind of ZIF, but that's as far as my knowledge goes! |
| 17:52:34 | evilnick | I'll take a picture tonight and post on the forum so that someone cleverer can see it |
| 17:52:45 | jhMikeS | so really the amount in the buffer isn't the best measure but the amount of the currently playing audio |
| 17:53:03 | evilnick | markun: thanks for the link to the mailing list message; email sent. |
| 17:53:11 | markun | evilnick: is it more like 14 pins or 40? |
| 17:53:19 | markun | eh 18 or 40 |
| 17:54:05 | petur | and you're 100% sure it is an HS122JC? |
| 17:54:44 | * | petur now sees the difference between HS122JB and HS122JC: the rpm |
| 17:55:20 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: the fact that the buffer is almost empty is still a good indicator of the problem. and I think the currently playing files *should* have the priority, although I'm not certain it does have it |
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| 17:56:02 | evilnick | Definitely a HS122JC, I'm afraid. |
| 17:56:52 | evilnick | I opened the packaging with bated breath and trembling hands "Great, I'll have the biggest (1.8") Rockbox beast possible!" and then my hopes were dashed when I saw the connector. |
| 17:57:50 | evilnick | It (the connector) seemed narrower than the IDE ones, so I'd guess at 18 pins rather than 40. But don't take that as a guarantee. |
| 17:58:01 | markun | evilnick: it would fit inside a Gigabeat X60! |
| 17:58:17 | petur | the adapter should help, the drive is smaller than the MK*** iirc |
| 17:58:47 | markun | but if it's 18 pins it's the CE-ATA connector, right? |
| 17:59:12 | GodEater | Nico_P: it's down in five figures |
| 17:59:25 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: What other stuff would the buffering thread be responsible for reading at the start while trying to read an audio file? It seems there should be more than enough disk throughput to keep up with audio. |
| 17:59:27 | GodEater | but there's still some skipping when it gets up into six figures too |
| 17:59:43 | evilnick | Right... Anyone selling a Gigabeat X60? I bet they are as rare as hen's teeth! |
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| 18:00:14 | GodEater | I just saw a value of >200000 and then it stuttered again |
| 18:00:22 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: AA |
| 18:01:10 | GodEater | 160000 ish |
| 18:01:26 | * | GodEater waits for someone to tell him to stop |
| 18:01:27 | GodEater | :) |
| 18:01:36 | markun | evilnick: I hope it's the normal 40 pin cable, otherwise the adapter is probably useless |
| 18:01:39 | pondlife | Hmm, does the skipping only happen with AA present? |
| 18:01:45 | GodEater | pondlife: no |
| 18:01:55 | pondlife | Ah. You can't stop then. |
| 18:01:58 | pondlife | :) |
| 18:02:19 | jhMikeS | this happens only if using AA? ipod 3g is by far the slowest SWCODEC target I have and it had no skipping problems at the start but I never used AA. |
| 18:02:41 | GodEater | jhMikeS: no - it happens with or without AA |
| 18:02:41 | petur | evilnick: http://www.hitachigst.com/marketing/image-lib/Product-Photos/LowRes/TSC4K60-CE-ZIF-open.jpg ? |
| 18:03:01 | Nico_P | GodEater: what audio format are you testing on? mp3? |
| 18:03:09 | GodEater | jhMikeS: but you're not using the dodgy disk controller present in the 80GB ipod |
| 18:03:14 | GodEater | mp3 only Nico_P |
| 18:03:18 | GodEater | it's pretty much all I have |
| 18:03:27 | Nico_P | ok |
| 18:03:28 | GodEater | I have some speex I could try it with though |
| 18:03:29 | jhMikeS | GodEater: ah, so you've got really slow buffering no matter what? |
| 18:03:34 | GodEater | jhMikeS: yes |
| 18:03:34 | evilnick | petur: Looks like it, but it's not in front of me to check 100%. Will let you know tonight. |
| 18:03:41 | GodEater | the AA is nothing to do with it |
| 18:03:47 | GodEater | it does it on albums which have none too |
| 18:04:18 | GodEater | chaps - I'm going to shoot home |
| 18:04:26 | GodEater | will be back with you in around 30 minutes |
| 18:04:30 | GodEater | discuss :) |
| 18:04:37 | Nico_P | hehe :) |
| 18:04:38 | jhMikeS | it seems some hand-tuning for different devices may be required but 16k chunks seem quite fine for most |
| 18:04:54 | Nico_P | GodEater: you said 32k was good for you? |
| 18:05:16 | pondlife | 32k improved things for me... |
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| 18:05:40 | Nico_P | pondlife: "improved", or "solved"? :) |
| 18:05:49 | pondlife | improved :/ |
| 18:07:08 | pondlife | Any mileage in waiting for the buffering thread to get a certain amount loaded before the codec thread runs? |
| 18:08:39 | pondlife | Or would that just delay startup and not necessarily solve the problem when buffering next kicks in? |
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| 18:09:00 | jhMikeS | pondlife: probably. |
| 18:09:06 | jhMikeS | (to the first) |
| 18:09:43 | Nico_P | I'd rather avoid that |
| 18:09:45 | jhMikeS | is the buffer allowed to be critically low during normal operation? |
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| 18:10:42 | Nico_P | what do you mean by "normal operation"? |
| 18:10:45 | jhMikeS | I think some read-ahead in advacne is wise. Why should it not? |
| 18:10:54 | markun | evilnick: perhaps one of the people from the NYC meeting has a player with a ZIF 40 drive for you to test if it works |
| 18:10:56 | pondlife | I guess we have two threads both feeling starved of input and thrashing? |
| 18:11:29 | jhMikeS | we just have crummy thread control on the codec side |
| 18:11:38 | pondlife | The buffering thread should be prioritised over the codec thread in this situation, right? |
| 18:11:57 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: "not at initial buffering" but playing and rebuffering |
| 18:12:33 | Nico_P | it should't go critically low at that time, no |
| 18:14:51 | pondlife | The codec thread shouldn't care about buffering. But it should allow the buffering thread to take priority when it needs to. |
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| 18:15:58 | pondlife | Does the codec thread need to use _REALTIME ? |
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| 18:16:12 | pondlife | Could it yield a bit more? |
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| 18:20:35 | markun | does anyone feel like trying my experiment to make seeking accelleration more fluent? |
| 18:20:37 | jhMikeS | a point or two extra priority should be more than enough |
| 18:21:22 | markun | http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/fluent_accel.diff |
| 18:21:59 | Nico_P | then maybe the buffering thread is just too busy adding handles or something... I'll try to see how it behaves |
| 18:22:19 | jhMikeS | markun: what if step >> 5 == 0? |
| 18:22:36 | markun | jhMikeS: then there will be no acceleration of course :) |
| 18:24:03 | markun | jhMikeS: it could be changed to a fixed point multiplication |
| 18:25:47 | markun | that would be needed if we want to support the current values of the ff_rewind_accel setting anyway, but this is just an experiment |
| 18:29:40 | jhMikeS | markun: I guess 1000*anything_not_0 won't go zero if divided by 32 |
| 18:30:11 | markun | indeed |
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| 18:30:25 | markun | but this is still not very flexible |
| 18:30:58 | markun | >> 4 was a bit too fast to my taste and I guess >> 6 will be a bit slow |
| 18:35:34 | Nico_P | I didn't learn much... at least on my gigabeat the behaviour looks fine |
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| 18:38:40 | markun | jhMikeS: to me this also feels more natural with the gradual decelleration we already had |
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| 18:46:59 | GodEater_ | I see I didn't miss much |
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| 18:47:34 | jhMikeS | markun: that works quite nicely |
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| 18:49:22 | Nico_P | GodEater_: a 32k chunksize is ok for you? |
| 18:49:44 | GodEater_ | same as pondlife |
| 18:49:48 | GodEater_ | it helped |
| 18:49:51 | GodEater_ | but didn't solve it |
| 18:49:59 | Nico_P | ok |
| 18:50:21 | pondlife | I'm running on an H300, not an iPod Video though.... |
| 18:50:31 | GodEater_ | good |
| 18:50:40 | pondlife | i.e. my disk controller shouldn't be any problem |
| 18:50:41 | GodEater_ | that means it's likely not down to the sucky disk controller in the ipod |
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| 18:56:46 | jhMikeS | amiconn: could you try using UNCACHED_ADDR(mem) in grey_init? That gives the best display results and simplest code. |
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| 19:24:12 | crackie | i have got a nano 1gen is it possible to play video files with rockbox, cuz i converted a vid into .rvf and the player dosnt display the file in the FILE menu |
| 19:24:29 | GodEater_ | crackie, you need to convert it to MPEG2 |
| 19:24:37 | GodEater_ | .rvf is for our old archos models |
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| 19:24:49 | GodEater_ | check the MpegplayerPlugin wiki page |
| 19:25:19 | crackie | can you querry me direct link ive been searching for hours now im tired ;) |
| 19:25:33 | PaulJam | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PluginMpegplayer |
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| 19:26:04 | nardul | Hey |
| 19:26:40 | crackie | can i play xvid files directly with this player or do i have to convert them ? |
| 19:26:54 | nardul | Is it possible to completely remove the apple firmware? I never use it and i'm fairly annoyed that my ipod boots into the apple thing when "hold" is on. |
| 19:27:03 | deltron | lol |
| 19:27:10 | GodEater_ | crackie, you have to convert them |
| 19:27:20 | GodEater_ | nardul, yes it is |
| 19:27:28 | crackie | have you got a good programm where i can automatically can convert them to the right size |
| 19:27:37 | nardul | GodEater, And how would that be? :) |
| 19:27:40 | crackie | i owned such a program for my PDA but i dont know how its called |
| 19:27:55 | deltron | virtualdub would be able to do that iirc |
| 19:27:59 | GodEater_ | nardul, try tunning ipodpatcher -h |
| 19:28:03 | GodEater_ | it'll give you a clue ;) |
| 19:28:18 | GodEater_ | crackie, read the web page PaulJam linked you to |
| 19:28:21 | nardul | You're a darling. Thanks a bunch! |
| 19:28:25 | GodEater_ | it contains links and tips on how to do just that |
| 19:29:06 | crackie | ok |
| 19:29:17 | crackie | any good plugins i should install ? |
| 19:29:17 | crackie | ^^ |
| 19:30:04 | PaulJam | all the good plugins are already included |
| 19:30:11 | Llorean | Maybe we should stop including all the plugins with Rockbox so that people can actually go out and get them. :) |
| 19:30:49 | crackie | hahahahah |
| 19:30:54 | crackie | so ive got something todo |
| 19:30:54 | crackie | ;) |
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| 19:31:46 | GodEater_ | and all the bad plugins will return "incompatible version" so there's no point downloading them |
| 19:31:51 | GodEater_ | :D |
| 19:32:15 | crackie | okay |
| 19:32:15 | crackie | ;) |
| 19:32:48 | krazykit | crackie, you could set up a build environment and build rockbox for yourself. that should eat some time ;). all the info you need is on the wiki, too |
| 19:33:19 | crackie | hahaha |
| 19:33:32 | crackie | im not that into rockbox and coding and even not unix so im out |
| 19:33:34 | crackie | -_- |
| 19:33:44 | crackie | hahahahah |
| 19:33:48 | crackie | ROCKY 4 running |
| 19:33:48 | crackie | ;) |
| 19:33:52 | crackie | MPG2 rules |
| 19:33:53 | crackie | :D |
| 19:36:33 | crackie | if i just watch films on ipod nano how long does the battery last ? |
| 19:36:43 | Llorean | Not long at all |
| 19:36:52 | crackie | ~ ? |
| 19:37:03 | Llorean | An hour maybe |
| 19:37:10 | Llorean | I don't believe anyone's done a good test |
| 19:37:14 | Llorean | Especially now that backlight dimming is in |
| 19:38:44 | crackie | 10 mins 88 % batterie left |
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| 19:45:34 | JdGordon|w | forums down? or have they finally decided to block me? |
| 19:45:59 | crackie | its on |
| 19:46:02 | crackie | so you got blocked |
| 19:46:24 | crackie | im off thanx for your helop krazykit and PaulJam and GodEater |
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| 19:51:15 | nardul | Where on earth can i find the ipod bootloader? Is it This? http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 |
| 19:52:54 | GodEater_ | nardul, you don't need to find it |
| 19:52:59 | GodEater_ | it's built into ipodpatcher |
| 19:53:08 | GodEater_ | or you can build your own from source |
| 19:53:46 | GodEater_ | besides, I thought you wanted to get rid of apple entirely ? |
| 19:53:48 | nardul | eh. If i run "./ipodpatcher /dev/sdd -wf" Should that not be what deleted the orignal firmware? |
| 19:53:56 | GodEater_ | in which case, you don't want a bootloader at all |
| 19:54:12 | nardul | I want the rockbox.ipod?= |
| 19:54:21 | GodEater_ | yep |
| 19:54:31 | nardul | You save me again. Thanks! |
| 19:54:42 | GodEater_ | beware though |
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| 19:54:47 | GodEater_ | if you choose to do this |
| 19:55:01 | GodEater_ | upgrading your version of rockbox is no longer a matter of just unzipping a new build |
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| 19:55:15 | GodEater_ | you will ALWAYS have to remember to write the firmware to your ipod with ipodpatcher too |
| 19:55:26 | GodEater_ | otherwise you'll get version incompatibilities |
| 19:55:35 | GodEater_ | (which is why this is undocumented, and we don't recommend it) |
| 19:55:55 | nardul | GodEater, Thank you. I'll live with it. I'll be damned if i need their original firmware. |
| 19:56:00 | nardul | And thanks alot! |
| 19:56:03 | GodEater_ | no problem |
| 19:56:29 | nardul | And faster booting isn't a bad tradeoff |
| 19:57:08 | GodEater_ | if you say so :) |
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| 19:59:01 | amiconn | GodEater, nardul: You can also use the bootloader and remove the apple fw |
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| 19:59:12 | amiconn | Just write the bootloader with -wf instead of -a |
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| 20:00:45 | GodEater_ | ah yes - I'd forgotten that |
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| 20:01:39 | nardul | amiconn, Thanks. I think i prefer it this way though. |
| 20:02:33 | amiconn | Then you can still plain unzip your build |
| 20:02:48 | nardul | This might be a bit rude to ask. But do any of you two know about how the reverse-engineering of the 5g ipod cpu is going? If it's on at all? |
| 20:03:18 | nardul | amiconn, I don't upgrade that often. This is not a difficult thing to do so i'll manage. But thanks. |
| 20:03:25 | jhMikeS | amiconn: not going to do that test? |
| 20:04:39 | GodEater_ | nardul, what reverse engineering do you mean ? |
| 20:05:11 | nardul | GodEater, Well. Battery life. That's my only problem. I suppose it's some sort of reverse eng. |
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| 20:05:29 | GodEater_ | ah - amiconn is the expert there I think |
| 20:05:42 | GodEater_ | although I think Buschel has been attacking it too |
| 20:06:19 | nardul | Mind if i ask you amiconn? |
| 20:06:26 | nardul | about bettery life* |
| 20:06:29 | GodEater_ | you already did indirectly |
| 20:06:30 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 20:06:39 | nardul | pfft. I didn't know it was him :P |
| 20:08:38 | GodEater_ | I'm simply point out you asked the question, and he's chosen not to answer... |
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| 20:10:09 | nardul | I noticed that. Was just curious. |
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| 20:10:42 | nardul | I take it he hears it alot |
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| 20:12:05 | GodEater_ | well not that specifically |
| 20:12:08 | GodEater_ | but he's a busy chap |
| 20:12:18 | nardul | ok |
| 20:12:29 | Bagder | nardul: it's quite simple, some people work on trying different things at times to improve battery life |
| 20:12:38 | Bagder | that's about it |
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| 20:13:35 | nardul | okay. So no "reverse engineering". Got it |
| 20:13:47 | Bagder | we do that too |
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| 20:14:25 | GodEater_ | Bagder: hope you don't mind - I completely ripped your post on the ipod classic from your blog and used it in the forums. |
| 20:14:36 | Bagder | I don't mind at all |
| 20:14:47 | GodEater_ | we had a post there before |
| 20:14:50 | GodEater_ | but it went awol |
| 20:14:59 | GodEater_ | and no amount of searching by Llorean can find out where it's gone |
| 20:15:09 | nardul | Bagder, What's your blog? |
| 20:15:18 | Bagder | daniel.haxx.se/blog |
| 20:15:37 | nardul | appreciated |
| 20:16:51 | * | GodEater_ goes to watch some TV |
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| 20:33:37 | jer^ | hey guys i need a bit of help :o |
| 20:33:57 | jer^ | im a total retard when it comes to computers but i hate itunes so i tried to install rockbox on my 5th gen 80gig ipod |
| 20:33:59 | jer^ | and it went fine |
| 20:34:10 | jer^ | but now post installation and transferring of some of my music |
| 20:34:19 | jer^ | my laptop wont recognise it anymore when i plug it in |
| 20:34:23 | jer^ | what do i do :/ |
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| 20:36:00 | krazykit | jer^, you need to boot into emergency disk mode or the OF. see the manual for how to do it |
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| 20:36:46 | jer^ | manual of rockbox or ipods? |
| 20:36:58 | krazykit | rockbox, obviously |
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| 20:37:40 | jer^ | thought so but never hurts to check :o |
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| 20:38:36 | krazykit | jer^, i think it's in one of the earlier chapters, but i don't have an ipod, so i'm not sure where exactly it is |
| 20:38:44 | jer^ | ah ok |
| 20:39:48 | Horscht | ok, maybe I am mising it, but how do i get Rockbox to show my album art on the "now playing" screen? |
| 20:39:56 | Horscht | I have it named folder.jpg |
| 20:40:18 | PaulJam | read the AlbumArt wiki page |
| 20:40:50 | Horscht | Do'h |
| 20:41:09 | Horscht | thank you |
| 20:41:10 | jer^ | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html cant find it krazykit ive looked through installation / advanced topics, cant imagine it being anywhere else.. |
| 20:42:40 | krazykit | jer^, chapter 3.1.3 |
| 20:43:53 | jer^ | ah ok thanks heh |
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| 20:48:22 | Casainho | Bagder: what did you mean when you said "Obviously based on the Cirrus EP9302" ? |
| 20:48:45 | Bagder | I read the data sheet for that board |
| 20:48:56 | Bagder | it says it uses that chip |
| 20:49:54 | jer^ | works i was just being thick indeed(not reading the manual!) much thanks krazykit :) |
| 20:50:19 | krazykit | jer^, the manual will take care of quite a few of your problems. i'd keep it handy for reference :-) |
| 20:50:32 | jer^ | :) |
| 20:50:36 | Casainho | Bagder: yes, right. What do you think about that SoC? |
| 20:50:50 | Bagder | I didn't look any closer yet, busy with other stuff |
| 20:51:39 | Casainho | Bagder: why did you used the word "Obviously"? |
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| 20:51:54 | Bagder | obviously as in they state this |
| 20:52:14 | Bagder | it is obvious once you read the sheet |
| 20:52:17 | Bagder | thus obviously |
| 20:53:24 | Casainho | Bagder: okok... |
| 20:54:08 | Casainho | Bagder: what you wanted to know when you asked "Yes, I know that you've planned to use that TI chip, but how is that codec gonna be used on the dev board?" |
| 20:54:27 | Bagder | well, the board has no such chip |
| 20:54:37 | Bagder | and there's no plug to insert any phones |
| 20:54:43 | Bagder | thus my question |
| 20:55:53 | Casainho | looks like that you are always talking as if you know more, as if you already know the answer - IMO |
| 20:56:03 | Bagder | I can guess more yes |
| 20:56:14 | Bagder | but you say things and seem to imply a lot more |
| 20:56:24 | Bagder | and I want that implied stuff spelled out |
| 20:56:47 | Bagder | that second board with the code chips is going to be a separate little board I bet |
| 20:56:51 | Bagder | codec chip |
| 20:57:17 | Bagder | meaning, just a "dev board" of that kind won't be enough |
| 20:59:33 | Casainho | yes, you are right about separate little board :-) |
| 20:59:58 | Bagder | I guess that board can have the LCD too? |
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| 21:00:15 | Domonoky | and the extra buttons... :-) |
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| 21:00:33 | Bagder | ah and buttons yes |
| 21:01:07 | Horscht | ah... there's even a nice bash script to conviniently convert folder.jpg to cover.bmp |
| 21:01:10 | Casainho | yes, we must put outside of the main board all the we need, which are not in the main dev board :-) |
| 21:02:03 | Casainho | I think there will be no problem, because of low speed digital signals, I assume |
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| 21:02:34 | Casainho | am I think correctly? |
| 21:03:08 | Bagder | that's out of my area... |
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| 21:04:15 | cara1 | someones there |
| 21:04:32 | cara1 | i need the file bootloader-nano.bin |
| 21:04:40 | cara1 | for my ipod nano :D |
| 21:04:48 | cara1 | PLEASE HELP ME |
| 21:05:01 | Domonoky | cara1: why dont use ipodpatcher ? or rbutil.. ? |
| 21:05:27 | Domonoky | both dont need this file, (ipodpatcher has it built in, and rbutil downloads it) |
| 21:05:27 | cara1 | theres a tutorial that says i need all 3 files |
| 21:05:44 | cara1 | ipodpatcher |
| 21:05:46 | Domonoky | then you are reading a outdated tutorial.. |
| 21:05:56 | Domonoky | read the rockbox manual.. |
| 21:06:31 | GodEater_ | not only outdated, likely wrong too |
| 21:06:39 | cara1 | no it isnt wrong |
| 21:06:42 | cara1 | its german |
| 21:06:45 | cara1 | because i am |
| 21:07:27 | cara1 | i've downloaded ipodpatcher.exe and ipod_fw.exe what should i do now? |
| 21:07:40 | Domonoky | then you are on your own... |
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| 21:08:00 | GodEater_ | if it mentions ipod_fw.exe it IS wrong |
| 21:08:07 | Casainho | Bagder: you are listed on "Sandisk Sansa E200" hardware Developer Knowledge Map |
| 21:08:10 | GodEater_ | I don't care what language it's in |
| 21:08:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:08:18 | cara1 | what should i do now domonky? |
| 21:08:31 | Casainho | Bagder: I tought you had experiencie with hardware :-) |
| 21:08:33 | GodEater_ | cara1, you should read the manual, like Domonoky told you |
| 21:08:34 | Domonoky | read the XXXXXX manual.. :-) |
| 21:08:45 | cara1 | ok |
| 21:08:50 | Domonoky | or use rbutil... its just a few buttons... :-) |
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| 21:09:38 | cara1 | whats rbutil? |
| 21:09:48 | Horscht | rockbox util |
| 21:09:52 | GodEater_ | cara1, for the last time - read the manual |
| 21:09:54 | Bagder | Casainho: I do have some such yes, but I don't design hw. |
| 21:10:00 | Domonoky | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 21:10:44 | cara1 | the rockbox manual is so long |
| 21:11:02 | Casainho | Bagder: okok :-) - I think we are taking to much time to chose the dev board, maybe because we don't have much money... :-( |
| 21:12:34 | krazykit | cara1, long, perhaps, but it WILL answer your questions. |
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| 21:24:45 | Nico_P | sorry to ask this, but could someone mention a random rev number (rXXX) and FS task number? |
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| 21:25:45 | krazykit | r16000 and fs7183 |
| 21:26:10 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
| 21:26:21 | Bensawsome | hello!!!! |
| 21:26:59 | Bensawsome | how is everyone! |
| 21:27:01 | XavierGr | Nico_P: are you trying any cool scripts or something like that? |
| 21:27:10 | Bensawsome | ??? |
| 21:27:14 | Bensawsome | me? |
| 21:27:23 | XavierGr | no I said Nico_P |
| 21:27:40 | Nico_P | XavierGr: regex replacement in konversation |
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| 21:28:37 | Bensawsome | lol |
| 21:28:43 | XavierGr | Nico_P: sounds cool, now I want to make one for mIRC too :\ |
| 21:29:01 | crackie | why does it take so long to refresh my database, i copied 2 txt files to my ipod and i cant see them under files in rockbox |
| 21:29:14 | amiconn | jhMikeS: What test exactly? YOu mentioned something about UNCACHED_ADDR(), but where? |
| 21:29:36 | amiconn | Also, what about the remaining parts of the osd with greyscale+widescreen video |
| 21:29:50 | amiconn | Can't be a cache issue, as it also happens on h1x0 |
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| 21:31:12 | Nico_P | krazykit: would you mind doing it again? |
| 21:32:22 | scorche|w | <krazykit> r16000 and fs7183 |
| 21:32:25 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Eurgh, you're fiddling with greylib internals directly in stream_mgr.c |
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| 21:32:59 | amiconn | The greylib is a lib, hence can be extended. If you need the feature to stop the greylib temporarily without restoring lcd contents, that could be added |
| 21:33:10 | amiconn | But I don't understand what that's needed for |
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| 21:54:33 | * | Nico_P has nice regex replaces now :) |
| 21:54:45 | Nico_P | I found a more discrete way to test |
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| 21:56:29 | * | pixelma had a weird effect in the playlist (occured twice so far) - one song was repeated instead of the one that should follow |
| 21:57:26 | Nico_P | ah, pondlife reported that once too... I never saw it though |
| 21:57:51 | pixelma | it looked ok in the playlist but I could even skip back and forth in the WPS still the correct song wouldn't play but chosing it in the playlist was possible |
| 21:58:55 | chooas | I just installed rockbox on a 2G Ipod and heated itself up |
| 21:59:10 | pixelma | now trying to find a recipe to reproduce - I think it had something to do with using "insert" but have to find out what exactly (I hope I can find it) |
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| 22:00:06 | pixelma | I mean the exact steps |
| 22:01:23 | Hans-Martin | chooas: so it's well done now? :-) |
| 22:02:12 | PaulJam | i had somehing similar too some days ago, that a song played twice. |
| 22:02:35 | Nico_P | I'd be very interested in a repro recipe |
| 22:03:23 | pixelma | Nico_P: I'll really try to find it but maybe not this evening |
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| 22:03:38 | Nico_P | pixelma: no rush at all :) |
| 22:05:23 | pixelma | chooas: what do you mean? You just felt it getting warm? Did you do anything specific, where there error messages? |
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| 22:05:50 | crzyboyster | Finally! I'm currently packaging the final (or near final) version of Cabbie 2.0 Default. Here's my question: I'm putting all of the ports together into one .rockbox folder, but the theme (.cfg) files are "obstructing" one other (as in they are all named "cabbie default.cfg" and "cabbie unifont.cfg". Is it necessary to have different filenames for each? |
| 22:06:51 | pixelma | crzyboyster: I tried to explain that the .cfg files are created during build process... |
| 22:07:17 | pixelma | ...and I still don't know if it is possible to define the gradient bar and things like that |
| 22:08:16 | pixelma | I only know of the defines for - font, background and foreground color in the WPSLIST |
| 22:08:42 | crzyboyster | That should explain my question... but the gradient bar is a very important part of this theme! Is there any way you can find out about this WPSLIST gradient bar option and also all the other configs used in the theme? |
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| 22:09:08 | pixelma | ah, and statusbar on/off |
| 22:09:59 | Llorean | nicktastique: Generally speaking, the best thing would be to come up with a way to reproduce the problem consistently. Once you can make it happen, if you're planning on debugging it yourself from the inside, add some logging around the parts of the code you suspect it's happening in. |
| 22:10:13 | crzyboyster | And can I still save the different .cfg files because in the end they will be needed for defining in the WPSLIST file, right? Should I just make different folders with the names as screen resolution and put in their respective ports' .cfg files? |
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| 22:11:43 | faemir | Can someone explain to me why whenever I select songs half the time it says cannot load codec and then when it gets to the song it says codec failure and moves to the next song? |
| 22:11:44 | nicktastique | Llorean, As I suspected... I'll see what I can do. |
| 22:12:05 | Llorean | The most important thing is pretty much always reproducing it. Nobody else can work on it if they can't make it happen too. :) |
| 22:13:47 | crzyboyster | Does anyone else know about this WPSLIST file thing and how it works? |
| 22:14:34 | Bagder | wps/wpsbuild.pl uses it |
| 22:15:04 | pixelma | crzyboyster: sorry, I only know what is in the file - take a look it's in the "wps" directory. Maybe you could try collecting the needed settings in this style and get attention of someone who knows the code better... |
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| 22:19:02 | crzyboyster | Just took a look at it. Will just making a new category like "line selector start color: " and the rest that are needed work? Or are the possible values coded in? |
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| 22:22:12 | crzyboyster | Did anyone actually understand my question or know the answer to it? |
| 22:23:58 | pixelma | I think I understood and if I remember correctly (about foreground/background which was added later) it doesn't just work |
| 22:24:44 | crzyboyster | So will a patch have to be written for this? |
| 22:26:29 | pixelma | looking at this commit http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=12272, it looks like the wpsbuild.pl Bagder mentioned has to be adapted |
| 22:26:50 | Bagder | yes it does |
| 22:27:04 | Bagder | it's the script that generates the cfg files in the zip files |
| 22:27:28 | chooas | sorry wasn't in front of the computer |
| 22:28:08 | crzyboyster | That only does foreground and background colors though, right? |
| 22:28:23 | chooas | installed rockbox on my 2G Ipod, let it build up the database |
| 22:28:54 | chooas | and then it began to heat up and the screen got darker |
| 22:30:03 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'm not caring for that approach either but since I've dealt with with the dual-core stuff I do know why it's needed and that it's needed or else I wouldn't add it in the first place. The other option is feeding greylib uncached buffers then none is needed. If uncached buffers will work well on pp502x I'll take that approach. pp5002 viability for mpegplayer+grey is doubtful. |
| 22:30:15 | chooas | also the generation of the database stalled |
| 22:30:53 | Hans-Martin | chooas: sounds like a kind of infinite loop. can you check whether the file system is ok? |
| 22:30:58 | chooas | i had to switch to the original firmware to prevent it to burn |
| 22:31:35 | crzyboyster | pixelma: Is it feasible to include the .cfg files in the zip (the ones we have right now) without compiling them? |
| 22:32:10 | Bagder | crzyboyster: that would take another code modification |
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| 22:33:54 | crzyboyster | That seems to be a better idea, then. The first step would probably be to upload the finished theme to the patch tracker :D |
| 22:34:10 | Bagder | why would that be the better idea? |
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| 22:35:21 | jhMikeS | though if I can run cube with mp3 playing I should perhaps consider that an indication of something |
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| 22:35:36 | amiconn | What does cube have to do with it? |
| 22:36:03 | jhMikeS | isn't cube greylib? |
| 22:36:10 | amiconn | Only on mono targets |
| 22:36:18 | amiconn | On 4-grey targets it uses native grey |
| 22:36:38 | jhMikeS | hmmm...yeah, mandelbrot drains the pcm buffer rather quickly and that's clearly greylib |
| 22:36:42 | crzyboyster | Instead of having to define so many things in the file, you can have one file that would be included in all. On second thought, though, it would probably be a way to just prolong the problem instead of fixing it.... |
| 22:36:59 | amiconn | Yup. Mandelbrot needs 9 shades. |
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| 22:37:55 | amiconn | There is one more optimisation in lcd_grey_phase_blit() that can be done on PP5002 |
| 22:38:02 | Bagder | crzyboyster: also, how could it be one file when there must be one for each uniq player combo? |
| 22:38:57 | chooas | you were right it was a file-system error, but this heating up of the device and the darkening of the screen worries me |
| 22:39:06 | jhMikeS | Will it more than double the speed of it? Even 1/2 frame rate isn't quite enough to leave enough to decode mpa. |
| 22:40:07 | PaulJam | chooas: and this doesn't happen in the original firmware? |
| 22:40:12 | crzyboyster | I meant that the different file for each port could be included with it (not the same for each target) |
| 22:40:19 | preglow | we should just use musepack as our codec of choice for videos :> |
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| 22:40:56 | DerPapst | 'lo all :-) |
| 22:41:02 | jhMikeS | or perhaps APE? |
| 22:41:06 | amiconn | No, it won't double the speed |
| 22:41:09 | Bagder | crzyboyster: right it could, and possibly that isn't a bad thing to support anyway, but it will still take some tweaking of wpsbuild.pl |
| 22:41:41 | JdGordon|w | Bagder: were you just shit-stirring with the release post? or did you actually want to try again? |
| 22:41:42 | crzyboyster | I guess that this will probably take longer than I thought :D |
| 22:41:54 | chooas | no it isn't even slightly warm and its charging now |
| 22:42:08 | Bagder | JdGordon: there was nothing in my post that said I wanted to try again... |
| 22:42:11 | jhMikeS | one good thing is you can adjust the speed a bit with little artifacting but of speed trades against graininess |
| 22:42:11 | amiconn | It's just the inner loop, which is a helper function residing in IRAM on SH1 and coldfire. On PP502x it doesn't need to, but on PP5002 it will help |
| 22:42:25 | pixelma | chooas: are you sure the screen was really darkening? I know that the 2nd gen Ipods have a weird display and look differently dark or bright depending on what is shown on screen, don't know how it is called... |
| 22:42:34 | JdGordon|w | Bagder: k |
| 22:42:43 | Bagder | JdGordon: but there are probably many users that would want us to |
| 22:43:03 | chooas | the device was getting really hot, and the screen got darker and darker |
| 22:43:03 | pixelma | chooas: seems I can't even explain it right... :\ |
| 22:43:10 | JdGordon|w | Bagder: also, can you please unblock -community in the web client? ircatwork is down :( |
| 22:43:42 | Bagder | I leave that to zagor |
| 22:44:57 | chooas | after i changed back to the apple firmware the screen reverted back to normal and it cooled dwon |
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| 22:46:00 | * | amiconn deems half frame rate in the greylib unbearable on anything except H1x0 |
| 22:46:12 | chooas | does rockbox overclock in the default configuration? |
| 22:46:14 | amiconn | Even on H1x0 you'll notice the increased graininess |
| 22:46:24 | pixelma | maybe if it was draining the battery it just didn't have enough juice for the backlight? (But I'm guessing here) |
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| 22:47:40 | pixelma | chooas: no, and on the old Ipods (1st, 2nd maybe 3rd gen - not sure about the last) it should have longer battery life than what Apple claims for them |
| 22:48:20 | amiconn | Rockbox doesn't overclock any PP target |
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| 22:51:49 | Xerion | so i got my new battery but i still can't get my h140 to boot without the adapter plugged in, it seems the new 60 GB HD is drawing too much power |
| 22:51:55 | Xerion | anyone have a solution |
| 22:51:57 | Xerion | ? |
| 22:52:29 | chooas | is there a problem with charging ? |
| 22:53:22 | PaulJam | Xerion: did you use an ipod g1/2 battery or one specifically for irivers? |
| 22:53:27 | Xerion | not that i know of, but i was thinking there might be |
| 22:53:42 | Xerion | especially for this one, and the bootlogo does come up |
| 22:53:58 | Xerion | just backlight flickers and the hd ticks without starting properly |
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| 22:54:18 | crzyboyster | The complete version of Cabbie 2.0 should go in "Patches", right? |
| 22:54:55 | Bagder | crzyboyster: yes |
| 22:56:19 | crzyboyster | Wow, I forgot my flyspray username... |
| 22:56:49 | Xerion | the charge light does seem to work and it goes off after a while, went off within minutes with the old battery, took a few hours or so with the new one, as is to be expected... |
| 22:57:50 | amiconn | jhMikeS: What about the leftovers of the osd when it's switched off with widescreen video? |
| 22:58:09 | crzyboyster | Can some of you admins out there help me out and find out what my username should be? It's somewhere along the lines of "ApooMaha" |
| 22:58:10 | JdGordon|w | whats the plan for cabbie 2? is it just going to be bundled in the .zip, or actually hardcoded as the default theme? |
| 22:58:27 | amiconn | Also, how exactly should I try uncached buffers? Just passing the buffer pointer wrapped in UNCACHED_ADDR() in grey_init()? |
| 22:58:29 | jhMikeS | amiconn: ooh, I could have overlooked that on grey targets. it's correct on color ones. |
| 22:58:46 | crzyboyster | It's going to be hardcoded as the default |
| 22:58:56 | amiconn | Yes, I tried colour and saw that it works correctly there |
| 22:58:57 | jhMikeS | I didn't need to worry originally on grey |
| 22:59:21 | amiconn | Compared X5 and H180 - same resolution... |
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| 22:59:55 | amiconn | I have some further general optimisation ideas which I am working on atm |
| 22:59:59 | crzyboyster | Sweet! I remembered what it was! |
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| 23:00:20 | amiconn | Next thing after those will be optional iram for _grey_info. Should give a nice updating speedup especially on coldfire |
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| 23:00:56 | amiconn | That will change how _grey_info is accessed, hence stream_mgr.c will break |
| 23:01:09 | amiconn | (_grey_info will become a pointer) |
| 23:01:32 | amiconn | Unless the fiddling with greylib internals will be gone by then, of course |
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| 23:02:18 | jhMikeS | perhaps should I just add this minor thing to greylib then? |
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| 23:02:36 | amiconn | I'd rather like to go without this disabling |
| 23:02:49 | * | amiconn repeats his question for the nth time |
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| 23:04:26 | jhMikeS | it's needed because the display being updated by the interrupt causes the CPU to read back it's own data when hiding the OSD before the COP can flush it's own. |
| 23:04:28 | crzyboyster | Has Cabbie 2.0 been licensed under the GPL? |
| 23:04:49 | amiconn | I mean how to try uncached buffers... |
| 23:04:53 | jhMikeS | ah |
| 23:05:08 | amiconn | Just pass the uncached pointer into grey_init()? |
| 23:05:15 | jhMikeS | in grey_init, just make "mem" into "UNCACHED_ADDR(mem)" |
| 23:05:27 | amiconn | meh |
| 23:05:41 | amiconn | That's ambiguous again |
| 23:06:03 | safetydan | amiconn: awesome work on graylib. My H120 is playing back video faster than realtime for 16:9 videos |
| 23:06:06 | amiconn | 'in' grey_init() meaning within the function itself, or within the actual call? |
| 23:06:31 | jhMikeS | that parameter, just wrap in that macro |
| 23:06:45 | amiconn | safetydan: It's still far from being maxed-out... |
| 23:06:56 | amiconn | ah |
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| 23:07:38 | amiconn | Well, I'll finish that uncached scrolling optimisation first (scroll down isn't done yet) |
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| 23:08:16 | Xerion | judging from debug stuff my battery voltage is 4.249 which is slightly higher even than when adapter is plugged in :/ |
| 23:08:33 | Xerion | i really don't get why it doesn't work... |
| 23:08:35 | amiconn | left & right are faster on all targets, up & down will be faster on horizontal packed display, and on vertical packed displays *if* the scroll amount is a multiple of the block size |
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| 23:15:30 | jhMikeS | what does anyone think about replacing the "No/Yes:xxx" menu in mpegplayer with showing the start menu under the same conditions since it's equivalent to the first two options of the start menu "Play from beginning/Resume at xxx" in position and function. |
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| 23:16:30 | * | amiconn would prefer mpegplayer to show no menu at startup |
| 23:17:00 | amiconn | It should start playing straight away if there's no resume point, and ask whether to resume or start from beginning if there is one |
| 23:17:11 | roolku | jhMikeS: the yes no should only show if there is a resume point for that file, the start menu always (if enabled) |
| 23:17:18 | * | jhMikeS has also implemented that functionality as a possibility |
| 23:17:38 | roolku | amiconn: this happens if startmenu is disabled |
| 23:18:22 | amiconn | I don't understand the purpose of that start menu at all |
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| 23:19:34 | PaulJam | i thought the start menu was only a workaround for the lack of seeking support. |
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| 23:24:26 | * | Llorean agrees with amiconn on what mpegplayer's behaviour should be |
| 23:26:41 | * | BigBambi doesn't like the start menu at all |
| 23:27:01 | BigBambi | And is was disappointed that when I set start menu to off I still got a sodding menu! |
| 23:27:28 | BigBambi | In summary, I agree with amiconn |
| 23:29:25 | saratoga | did that dev working ont he D2 port ever get SVN access? |
| 23:29:30 | jhMikeS | roolku: the yes/no menu is the same as the first two options of the resume menu is my basic point |
| 23:30:51 | amiconn | The next 2 options in the start menu don't make sense to me. "Set start time" -> same as seeking, but more cumbersome to use |
| 23:31:09 | * | bertrik agrees with amiconn, FWIW |
| 23:31:22 | amiconn | And why there is a separate quit option if you can quit with the cancel action anyway is beyond me |
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| 23:31:38 | Bagder | saratoga: I'm just waiting for his mail for a username and password |
| 23:31:39 | * | amiconn also doesn't like the menu handling in the jpeg viewer |
| 23:32:06 | Llorean | amiconn: I actually find "Set Start Time" less cumbersome overall, since it can find positions in long files faster |
| 23:32:42 | Llorean | But I'd prefer it just be a "Go To" option somewhere. |
| 23:32:57 | jhMikeS | Set start time has some browsing advantage and perhaps can be more in the future |
| 23:33:03 | crzyboyster | Done! Cabbie 2.0 Added to patch tracker! |
| 23:33:05 | Llorean | The minute-granularity seeking is usually faster than the normal seek gets to. |
| 23:33:05 | crzyboyster | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8443 |
| 23:39:03 | JdGordon|w | just to be annoying... I think there should be another cabbie versino with smaller AA and a larger font |
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| 23:41:19 | [ELB]Psy | Hello |
| 23:41:42 | [ELB]Psy | Anyone online that can help me with my rockbox setup on my ipod? |
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| 23:43:46 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I'm considering markun's variation for mpegplayer since it makes a seek through a file more time constant and long video's probably need speedup |
| 23:43:55 | jhMikeS | *videos |
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| 23:45:38 | crzyboyster | JdGordon|w: You can make a version on your own, you know... |
| 23:45:38 | Llorean | jhMikeS: What's his variation do? Use percentage of length somehow? |
| 23:46:34 | jhMikeS | Llorean: adds a percentage of the current step to itself |
| 23:46:44 | Llorean | Ah |
| 23:46:45 | Llorean | Cool |
| 23:47:33 | jhMikeS | A two-minute file could be seeked through in roughly the same time as a 20 minute one when I checked it out |
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| 23:48:49 | * | Hans-Martin hates ALSA - why do simple things need to be so complicated |
| 23:50:37 | crzyboyster | Are there any things that need to be addressed with the uploaded version of Cabbie 2.0 http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8443 |
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| 23:56:47 | Llorean | jhMikeS: But fine seeking is still quite possible, because it's cumulative, and when you release you go back to quite slow/fine? |
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