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#rockbox log for 2008-01-12

00:00:18scorche|woh!...also, could you add "talk to scorche in IRC for a shiny developer cloak" on your new developer template mail next to the note to talk to Llorean about forum badge?
00:00:28scorche|wBagder: ^^
00:00:36*amiconn increased lcd update speed on 1st..3rd Gen ipod by ~50% :)
00:00:43Bagderscorche|w: will do sir!
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00:02:32Domonoky_scorche|w: can i have such a cloak ? :-)
00:03:11BigBambiforum search has gone titsup again for those with the power (LinusN I think)
00:03:12scorche|wDomonoky_: leave a message with scorche, if you could...a bit busy for a while more at work :)
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00:06:44BillWenrich|flxI mentioned this last night, but the channel was pretty dead
00:07:17BillWenrich|flxI am requesting Wiki Write Permissions so that I may document the plugin controls on the iPod
00:07:34BillWenrich|flx(username BillWenrich )
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00:10:06Bagderhang on
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00:10:43saratogasomeone on ABI batterybenched a sansa using Buschel's patch at 21 hours, 30 minutes playing FLAC
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00:11:06BagderBillWenrich|flx: fixed!
00:11:16BillWenrich|flxthank you!
00:11:30BillWenrich|flxI will be glad to confirm and add the proper iPod documentation
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00:12:25Buschelsaratoga: is this a significant increase? i don't know the sansa runtimes...
00:13:50JdGordonBuschel: I got 15h last time i benched with svn (2 months ago or more though)
00:14:02Buschelooops. cool :)
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00:22:45Buschelsaratoga: flac is the most efficient codec when looking at the codec comparison. there might some more runtime possible when lowering the "normal" clock to 16MHz or 12MHz.
00:23:08Buschelsaratoga: but then gui responsiveness will suffer too much
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00:48:41BagderBuschel: yeah, then it makes sense to boost when the user is active
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00:53:48saratogaboosting when the user is active would be pretty nice
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00:54:09saratogawhat would be the best way to handle that? just tie it to the backlight settings, or something more complicated?
00:55:36gevaertsIf I boot my sansa c250 with the USB cable plugged in, it goes into the OF, but the OF doesn't recognize the USB connection. To be able to actually copy files, I need to boot into the OF with USB unplugged, and plug it in afterwards. Is that a known problem ?
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00:58:16Bagdersaratoga: to me it seems like it could be tied to the backlight
00:59:44saratogaBagder: yes that seems sensible, but I remember Llorean (?) having some other idea the last time it was discussed
00:59:51*Domonoky_ just commited the first version of voice file creation in rbutil ! :-)
01:00:35Bagderthat certainly is becoming _the_ rockbox utility
01:01:20*Bagder gives in for tonight
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01:09:15pixelmagevaerts: I also have that often on a laptop USB port (USB 1.1)
01:09:21pixelmac250 too
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01:11:58gevaertspixelma: I tried on laptop running linux, connected both directly and behind a hub, and on a desktop running windows.
01:12:14ChristineThamI have a question about high capacity 1.8" hard disks
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01:14:18saratogaChristineTham: theres hardly anyone around at this hour, but you're welcome to ask in case someone is awake
01:14:41crzyboysterI just uploaded the Hindi translation (
01:15:11ChristineThamsaratoga: ok. i was wondering if the toshiba mk1011gah has the same 1024 read issue as the mk8009gah (used in the apple ipod 80gb)
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01:15:38ChristineThambecause i am thinking of upgrading my gigabeat x60 to use the 100gb hard drive
01:15:39crzyboysterCan someone check it out and see if it's okay?
01:16:17ChristineThami have downloaded the spec for the mk1011gah, but i don't see any limitations in being able to read 512kb sector
01:17:08ChristineThambut then i don't see that limitation in the mk8009gah spec either ???
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01:18:19pixelmagevaerts: well I don't have any problems with it at all here at home - so I would think it's a problem with certain USB ports
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01:19:08Llorean-Phonesaratoga: backlight boosting without a minimum might negatively affect blind users
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01:20:26gevaertspixelma: could be. I'll experiment a bit more tomorrow. Right now I'm testing how long the battery lasts.
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01:23:32DerPapstJdGordon: thanks for noticing. fixed it :-)
01:24:51ChristineThamdon't worry i think i found the answer
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01:41:25kugelthere's a bricked m:robe 100 on
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01:49:21csc`kugel: whats that, lol?
01:49:48kugelm:robe is a media player
01:50:03kugelDAP specifically
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01:55:06IzzehAnyone around can answer a question for me?
01:55:25*DerPapst looks into crytalball
01:55:47DerPapstthe answer to your question will be: "No. It doesn't work yet."
01:56:42IzzehHah -Reads guildline 9 just after posting-
01:57:37IzzehI'm just trying to work the wiki plugin and the converter is giving me a single error
01:57:56Izzehand I'm on like step 39/40 so I didnt want to just give up...
01:58:29linuxstbThat's not an official Rockbox tool (or plugin), so you probably won't find anyone who can help here.
01:59:02IzzehYeah I figured as much...
01:59:23Izzehwhat about if the question were directed more to a technical cygwin on XP issue?
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01:59:51linuxstbThen that would be off-topic for #rockbox as well...
01:59:51DerPapstaren't there any prebuilt ones? and what is the file at the end? this homebrew .epodia file?
02:01:05IzzehLol I've patched it in fine that isn't the issue.. It's the fact that with cygwin running in a host environment on XP it doesn't allow the conversion of large files and was hoping you guys would know a work around for this short of installing linux
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02:09:27Ebertofftopicness is too harsh here in my opinion, he's trying to contribute to the rockbox community
02:09:43DerPapst^ hehe (Xavier's quit message)
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02:11:50soapEbert, the issue is that there are channel on this very IRC network much better equipped to troubleshoot Cgywin/Linux/VMWare issues.
02:12:55Ebertbut should one shut his mouth if he knows the answer easily? or maybe pming would cancel out the offtopic dogs
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02:14:14IzzehSurely the discussion of it being off-topic is JUST as off-topic as answering, or even asking my question... But never mind I guess it's all just too hard so I'll go...
02:15:11scorcheIzzeh: it doesnt apply..
02:15:31Eberthaha yes, too hard to stick to the rules..
02:15:42*Ebert shuts up
02:15:45soapEbert, I think history has shown people who do know the quick and easy solution do shout it out - but it is a fine line between helping people and encouraging disruptive behavior.
02:16:15soapIzzeh, I PM'd you 13 minutes ago
02:17:18IzzehYeah I answered... or atleast I think I did, I truly hate IRC
02:22:19DerPapstIzzeh: if you aren't registered to soap might not have recived your message
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02:29:07Hilikus_hey guys
02:29:28Hilikus_is there a new default theme already in the main branch or its still in talks?
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03:00:42HP_Administratorhello wat is rockbox
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03:01:18lghow do you install rockbox and wat emulators doe sit have
03:02:21scorcheyou could look at the wikipedia entry, read the manual, or search...
03:02:41lgum plz tell me
03:04:47scorchelg: please read the guidelines linked in the topic...
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03:42:21bwanannasay, i have a iPod mini 2g that i upgraded with a 16 g cf card, i reinstalled the apple software, that works fine, but after installing rockbox it comes up "Rockbox boot loader v2.0, no partion found ..."
03:42:26bwanannaany ideas people
03:47:53bwanannaanyone home
03:47:53soapDid you reinstall the Apple firmware via a Mac?
03:47:58bwanannavia a pc
03:48:23bwanannaalso gives the error ATA: -80
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03:54:53soap`did you search the forums for that ATA error?
03:58:06bwanannai just found something
04:01:05scorchebwananna: that is a bit...unneccessary...please read the guidelines linked in the topic
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04:10:16bwanannacan i only get source by svn checkout or is there a nice tar file somewhere too
04:11:02scorchethere is both, but if you are doing development, using svn makes things MUCH easier
04:11:41bwanannai just need to test a diff and see if it fixes the problem
04:12:02bwanannawhere can i find a tar, i can't locate it on the site
04:12:27bwanannahmm myabe extras
04:12:36LloreanNo, it's on the same page as you download the binaries
04:12:53scorche"current build" both binary and source
04:13:39bwanannaduh, thanks
04:14:25Aloneahey, what should I do if my gigabeat starts to get that system error 0000003 thing every now and then? does the HDD need to be reformatted or something?
04:15:30Aloneaalso the text viewer goes kinda crazy sometimes.
04:15:46Aloneabut I have not updated it in a while, so lemme do that first
04:16:24LloreanAlonea: the system error message is from the original gigabeat firmware. Unfortunately, it's most likely an indication of impending hardware failure, though first you could try reseating the disk, and then scanning it for errors with your PC
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04:17:00AloneaLlorean: ah ok.
04:18:52Aloneawell, if its just corrupted files in the system volume folder, then its fixable. *hopes and prays*
04:18:54LloreanAlonea: I don't believe we have a knowledge of what, specifically, those error codes mean, but they tend to mean an error while trying to access the disk, I think.
04:19:11LloreanWhich could mean corrupted files, or actual hardware problems, or anywhere between
04:19:37Aloneaindeed. its hard to tell. though if its busted, it will be cheaper to just buy a new one.
04:19:53LloreanVery possibly.
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04:22:37bwanannawhat a pain
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05:22:49countrymonkeywebHow do I extrapolate all the dest strings out of the english.lang file? My good friend wants to rework a translation but doesn't want to deal with lang files.
05:23:57Lloreancountrymonkeyweb: Do you mean "extract"? And if so, you'll just have to write a tool to do it.
05:24:08LloreanThey're just text files, it's not like it's complicated to work with them.
05:24:17LloreanWhy won't he just edit a file directly?
05:24:25countrymonkeywebI mean extract. I am a little tired
05:26:20countrymonkeywebWhy, he has never worked with xml or programming, ever. The only reason I remotely understand them is I have programmed before. I showed him and he wants me to just get the strings.
05:28:03countrymonkeywebAnd is there some weird reason the japanese translation's missing string value is about 30 or 40 when it should be about 150?
05:30:30LloreanIt's just a text file.
05:30:41LloreanHow hard, seriously, is it to look for the word "Dest:" and write your string after it?
05:31:01LloreanI mean honestly, anyone who speaks English and can read can manage that. I wouldn't say any XML knowledge, at all, is needed.
05:31:54LloreanIf you want to write a program to extract the strings, and then reinsert them later, feel free, but it's going to save you both a lot of trouble if he just spends a few seconds actually thinking about what's on the screen in front of him, and realizing how easy it really is.
05:32:28countrymonkeywebIt is the different targets that are confusing.
05:33:13countrymonkeywebLooks like I will direct him to the LangFiles wikipage then.
05:38:24countrymonkeywebAnd while I am here, I should mention I am getting disk activity at the weirdest moments. Like, say, when I enter menus. I use a voice file, but that is it.
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05:40:36LloreanAnd a completely unmodified build?
05:41:12countrymonkeywebunmodifyed unless for 8395 which I applied for some wierd reason.
05:41:27AloneaLlorean: you wouldn't happen to know if LBA is supported? not sure whether to do with or without.
05:41:43countrymonkeywebLba48 is supported in custom builds.
05:42:11countrymonkeywebnot native unmodifyed rockbox.
05:42:18AloneaLlorean: at least it said my hdd is good and not broken. but then something else could be wrong.
05:42:24Aloneacountrymonkeyweb: talking to me?
05:42:31MarcGuayDear administrator, the forum search function is throwing a database error, just so's you knows.
05:42:58countrymonkeywebDo you mean lba or lba48?
05:43:02Aloneacountrymonkeyweb: if so, I will just do non lba fat32.
05:43:05LloreanMarcGuay: Unfortunately, while I'm *forum* administrator, I don't have shell access to the server, which is necessary to repair the table
05:43:18Aloneacountrymonkeyweb: I am reformatting my gigabeat f40
05:43:18countrymonkeywebThat is supported.
05:43:29Aloneacountrymonkeyweb: ok, then I will do lba then. ^__^
05:43:34LloreanAlonea: Unfortunately, it could mean more serious problems them. The most likely being the connector itself, but it's hard to say. =/
05:44:10AloneaLlorean: it wasn't really a constant thing, kinda random. I will just hope this fixed it.
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05:44:38scorcheAlonea: to be more specific, there is an ifdef in the code that, should you add a line in the config file for your device and build, you will get LBA48 isnt necessarily a patch as "in the custom builds" would suggest
05:45:09countrymonkeywebHe doesn't mean lba48. He means lba.
05:45:24scorchei mean lba48
05:45:34Aloneascorche: I don't even know what lba48 is. I am formatting the drive. I have W95 Fat32 or W95 Fat32 LBA
05:45:45Lloreanlba48 is necessary for >128GB disks
05:45:47MarcGuayLlorean: No doubt. Just throwing it out there.
05:45:55countrymonkeyweblba48 is a system that lets you go beyond 128 gb of hd space.
05:46:07scorchecountrymonkeyweb: i am well aware what lba48 is...
05:46:10Aloneacountrymonkeyweb: ah, ok. so just to check, lba is good to use?
05:46:14LloreanMarcGuay: I *think* LinusN is likely to be aware of it. If I see him I'll mention it though
05:46:32countrymonkeywebI was telling alonea.
05:46:52countrymonkeywebYes, it is good to use.
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05:49:18mikeyROCK BOX!
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05:49:54hcshe likes it!
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05:52:35countrymonkeywebrockbox rules!
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06:09:48AloneaLlorean: ok, so far, so good. player is still kicking
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06:10:50AloneaLlorean: will play with it for a few hours and if it doesn't give me trouble then this was all just a bad dream
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06:13:18countrymonkeywebYou're not dreaming.
06:15:35Aloneacountrymonkeyweb: *pouts* hey, I want my player to not die on me. if i get no more system errors, then I will pretend it wasn't acting like a 5 year old in a desperate need of a spanking.
06:17:45Lloreancountrymonkeyweb: In regards to your disk spinup thing: 1) Are you using a large font, 2) Are you using a language or WPS that requires unicode characters, 3) is music playing while you're in the menus, 4) What screens, specifically and exactly, do you see these spinups on, and can you reproduce them on any specific screen?
06:19:26countrymonkeyweb1) I use chinese 2) I am blind and use unifont 3) no 4) browse around the menus a bit, no reproducable screens, random.
06:20:27LloreanAre you 100% sure it's random?
06:20:32LloreanIf you're blind, why do you use unifont?
06:20:50LloreanIt's very possible that what you're experiencing is simply the adding and changing of characters in the glyphcache.
06:21:10LloreanUnifont is a very large font, and will not be loaded entirely into memory
06:21:31LloreanThat doesn't answer my question.
06:21:43LloreanIf you can't see the screen, why does it need to display chinese characters?
06:22:22countrymonkeywebUnless you can name another font that supports chinese, I am kind of stuck. I need something where a sighted person could help me just in case something stopped speaking.
06:22:24AloneaLlorean: maybe he meant blind as in bad eyesight and thus needs large font. not actually blind
06:22:36AloneaLlorean: then again, maybe no
06:22:50countrymonkeywebI mean totally blind.
06:22:58LloreanAlonea: Then, honestly, he should say that. I *have* to assume people mean what the words mean. Which is why I was asking him to clarify, in case he meant something else.
06:22:59Aloneacountrymonkeyweb: ah ok.
06:23:33Aloneacountrymonkeyweb: I tend to say I am blind sometimes. astigmatism.
06:23:33Lloreancountrymonkeyweb: Try using a smaller font. Check to see if another supports chinese. Or perhaps just give it a while to finish populating the cache and see if the spinups stop.
06:23:50LloreanBy "a while", I mean "days of use"
06:24:43countrymonkeywebwhat cash?
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06:25:18Lloreancache spelled C A C H E.
06:25:52countrymonkeywebI wasn't paying attention. What cache are you talking about?
06:25:59LloreanThe glyph cache
06:26:41countrymonkeywebWhy doesn't it fill itself in one use and be through?
06:26:58LloreanBecause, as I said, Unifont is larger than can be stored in memory.
06:27:24countrymonkeywebHow big is the font buffir?
06:27:40LloreanI don't know the exact number.
06:27:52LloreanBut seriously, just give the cache time to populate
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06:28:12LloreanIt will populate based on use, so it'll store the portions of the font you're most likely to need.
06:28:18LloreanAt least, if I understand correctly
06:31:00countrymonkeywebcool. And speaking of languages, the japanese translation is missing a lot more translations than rasher's page suggests. Why? (I am trilingual)
06:31:08LloreanAsk Rasher, it's his page.
06:31:28countrymonkeywebThe same holds true with the LangFiles wikipage.
06:31:50countrymonkeywebAnd I thought rasher was here.
06:31:51Aloneacountrymonkeyweb: yay, more japanese.
06:31:56countrymonkeywebAnd I thought rasher was here.
06:32:14countrymonkeywebWhat about more japanese?
06:32:32Aloneacountrymonkeyweb: I know some japanese. Used to know more, but I forgot quite a bit. I took the class as my language for highschool.
06:33:04countrymonkeywebThe translation is missing about 150 strings but the pages only say about 40.
06:33:17countrymonkeywebAnd I know you know japanese.
06:33:36Aloneacountrymonkeyweb: oh yeah. forgot. I am waaaay half asleep at the moment.
06:33:53countrymonkeywebwa ka ri masu.
06:34:06Lloreancountrymonkeyweb: It's entirely possible whoever updated the LangFiles wikipage did it based on Rasher's script. Or it's possible that there's something in the Japanese file that makes it seem to have more than it does. Feel free to investigate the file itself to see if there's anything unique about it.
06:34:53countrymonkeywebI will. It's bugging me. I have a feeling it has something to do with markan's commit about 3 months ago. I want to try to update it.
06:35:24Aloneacountrymonkeyweb: indeed. I should get some sleep actually. waiting for files to copy back over.
06:36:13countrymonkeywebI have let things copy and tested in the morning before but if that's not how you want to work it...
06:37:33Aloneacountrymonkeyweb: only has about 20 minutes more
06:37:39countrymonkeywebI think I got it. I need a native japanese speaker to help clear this up. I found out what is wrong.
06:38:00countrymonkeyweband the grammar is 20 more minutes.
06:38:37countrymonkeywebI mean, correct sentence structure. I am about 1/4 asleep.
06:39:12Aloneacountrymonkeyweb: I might be able to help somewhat, have a friend that would be able to help a whole lot more, and am pretty much falling asleep in my chair.
06:39:38countrymonkeywebalonea: anatawa ni hon gin desuka?
06:40:09countrymonkeywebThat should wake you up. :)
06:40:28AloneaI am not japanese...I read better than speak.
06:40:45Aloneaand it says "Are you japanese?"
06:42:01countrymonkeywebI know.
06:42:07AloneaI do have a friend that is very good at japanese and pretty much can speak it fluently and read it very well. have no idea where he is though
06:42:32countrymonkeywebDoes he have any rockbox experience?
06:43:00Aloneacountrymonkeyweb: don't think so. he is a graphic artist.
06:44:17Aloneacountrymonkeyweb: I might get him to look at the translations one of these days when he is online.
06:44:31countrymonkeywebSee, what I suspect is that markan's commit was treated as an update. This means that english strings were added into the file, but not translated. I would need a native to figure out which strings were just untranslatible into japanese and which ones were added in by mistake.
06:45:39Aloneacountrymonkeyweb: if I have time tomorrow, I will take a look at it and get Jake when I see him to check it.
06:45:58countrymonkeywebThe only 2 translations that are suffering are japanese and spanish.
06:46:57Aloneahmm, my friend gabi would be good for that. she is native of a spanish speaking country.
06:47:09Aloneawell, its done and I need to sleep. night everyone.
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06:47:41countrymonkeywebIf she wants to fix that one too that would be great. I am kinda more concerned with the japanese one because that one has been present for a while if my theory is correct.
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08:11:56mrkikoHi all!
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09:21:23Tuplanollawhere are the button layout files located? i'm trying to get the old layout back :>
09:28:33pixelmaapps/keymaps... ;)
09:30:10Tuplanollathanks. i think it doesn't work if i just overwrite the keymap file with an older one? :P
09:31:30LloreanIt should unless something fundamental has changed.
09:32:15TuplanollaAwesome, I'm trying it then. First backups, don't wanna checkout from svn again.
09:32:46LloreanBut most keymap changes are made for good reason. You might want to try it for a month and get used to it.
09:39:16hcsWhy wait a month when I can bitch now?
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09:47:52TuplanollaUhm, do you remember what was the last rev with the old layout?
09:48:33LloreanYou haven't yet mentioned which player you have
09:48:51TuplanollaOh, sorry, I'm using e280.
09:49:54pixelmawhy not check the "since..." links below the svn table on the frontpage? I would try and search for the specifc keymap file name which will show you when there were changes to it.
09:53:44pixelmaor search the web interface ( for the file and it'll show you its history
09:54:18TuplanollaAh, that's a cool feature.
09:56:42TuplanollaOk, it seems to be FS #7232.
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09:59:31TuplanollaPerhaps I should just use the cpchan build, it uses the old layout. This seems to be too hard for me :<
10:00:13LloreanWell, your only three choice are use his, compile your own, or learn to like it.
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10:02:06TuplanollaYeah, true.
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10:06:51mrkikoI tried to do something tomorrow.
10:06:59mrkikoI setted Repeat to off and autochange to on.
10:07:07mrkikoThey work fine, but something strange is happening.
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10:07:47mrkikoIs it normal that if I reach a track pressing the "next" button, then listen to the track for some time (1 min) and the npress "back", the player doesn't restart from the start of the file but goes directly to the previous one?
10:08:03mrkikoInstead, if I reach a track with the back button, the behaviour is normal.
10:08:12Kyin01If I get an ipod with rockbox installed do I still have to use the pos program that is itunes?
10:08:25Kyin01to transfer mp3s
10:09:34pixelmayou can use whatever file browser there is on your computer :)
10:09:44Kyin01thanks god
10:10:31mrkikoIs clear what I said at least? Is the english correct?
10:10:47Kyin01the new rockbox firmware wont give my ipod an fm tuner right? cause ipod doesnt have any transmitter like other mp3 players?
10:11:46Bagderthey have receivers, but no ipod has one
10:13:11mrkikoBagder: ... my brother has an iPod video...
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10:13:20mrkikothe fm tuner is usable only with a connected accessory...
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10:13:33Bagderyes, that's because the ipod video has no tuner
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10:13:48mrkikoBagder: but the accessory is only a pair of headphones...
10:14:15Bagderthen congratulations, you're the first one to find an fm tuner in an ipod video!
10:14:16Lloreanmrkiko: Isn't there also a plastic lump?
10:14:19mrkikowith rockbox, may be the iPod able to receive fm connecting these headphones? Is this mode of using FM supported by rockbox=
10:14:55mrkikoLlorean: lump....
10:14:58Bagdermrkiko: there's a tuner in that accessory
10:15:04mrkikoLlorean: what's a lump....
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10:15:27LloreanIs there *anything* other than cable, and earphones?
10:15:35LloreanI thought that with the FM accessory you could plug in your own earphones
10:15:57mrkikoNo.. .In my case only cable + headphones...
10:16:14mrkikoLlorean: and infact it seems so strange to me...
10:16:22mrkikoI'll re-look but I'm convinced...
10:16:46stripwaxhow big are the actual headphones?
10:17:03Bagderan fm tuner chip is very very small
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10:22:09stripwaxBuschel - I may be on crack, but I'm convinced I have the v7 patch in my build and I'm seeing 30MHz ...
10:23:18stripwaxOk: weird rockbox EQ problem. Settings say EQ is "No" and yet loading an eq profile applies it (and I can hear that it takes effect) even though EQ is still "No". Set EQ to "Yes" and eq turns off ... is that Enabled setting just reversed or are two or more flags out of sync here?
10:29:23stripwaxI never use EQ (except for this random experiment). I'll reset my settings and see if it is definitely reproducible from scratch
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11:21:48Buschelstripwax: you're not on drugs. I forgot to add a .h-file to v7-patch −− but this only leads to false display of "normal" clock rate.
11:23:15*pixelma wonders why roolku's m:robe commit touched the c200 keymap file... whitespace changes?
11:23:37pixelmathe "diff" shows nothing
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11:27:46hohumhi there, so when are you going to reease a stable version of Rockbox for the Hxxx series ?
11:28:09n1spixelma: svn diff shows a keywords change only
11:28:53n1shohum: we haven't decided anything but are discussing a release
11:29:07n1s(not that I have been active in said discussion)
11:29:31amiconnpixelma: Just metadata changes (missing svn:keywords was added)
11:30:27pixelmaah, missed the last line in his commit message...
11:30:27amiconnsvn diff -r<oldrev>:<newref> <path> told me, i.e. svn diff -r16055:16056 apps/keymaps/keymap-c200.c
11:30:54BigBambihohum: Either tomorrow, the day after, the day after that, in a month, 6 months, a year, or never
11:31:39Bagderhohum: here's some light reading on the topic:
11:32:05BigBambiVery good post that, Bagder
11:33:23hohumI see, so its still, introduce new features and bugs, I'll hang onto my old build then, thanks
11:33:55Bagderwell, we did that for the build you have as well ;-)
11:34:03*BigBambi shouts hallelujah for jhMikeS's latest commit! No more menu of any kind on startup of mpegplayer :)
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11:34:14BigBambihohum: Wen is your build from?
11:35:13BigBambiI would seriously update
11:35:24BigBambiThere have been many bug fixes and new features sine then
11:35:33BigBambiYou can always keep that as a back up just in case
11:36:35hohumsometime someone surely needs to say, fix bugs for stable release
11:37:02BigBambiBagder's blog post goes over the pros and cons of that
11:37:32BigBambiLast time we tried it didn't really work, as most devs find that quite boring, and people are in rockbox for fun in their spare time
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11:41:35hohumI gues that software is all a case of, if it appears to work well enogh for joe soap, print it, fix only what joe complains about, so all software is in fact beta at all times.
11:42:15BigBambiwell, it is impossible to guess every combination of cirumstances, yeah
11:42:54Buschelstripwax: still there?
11:43:25hohumlike airports, they are built on construction sites..
11:44:05BigBambiIsn't everywhere by definition built on a construction site?
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11:47:45hohumdo you guys at least ensure that the daylies are funtional ?
11:48:03Bagderhow could we?
11:48:32Bagderwell, we could of course add automatic testing etc
11:48:40BigBambithey are just a current build built at a specific time each day and archived for a month
11:48:41Bagderat least unit testing of functions etc
11:48:59hohumso joe soap has to find a unbroken build ?, yikes
11:49:18BigBambiIt is extremely rare for a build to be broken
11:49:37BigBambiAnd if it is, a fixed one replaces it within 5 minutes normally
11:49:53BigBambiAnd we don't have a single player where a broken build will do any harm
11:50:30BigBambiThe only ones that could are the bootloaders on H1x0 and H3x0, which are extensively and carefully tested before release
11:50:51Bagderhohum: I sense criticism so I expect you'll present and offer a solution
11:51:13hohumwell, its for that reason I run an old build, rather the devil I know etc..
11:51:13Bagderit's not an easy problem imho
11:51:35Bagderright, but again, that build was made the exact same way all builds are
11:51:46BigBambiWe ought to be like big commercial software companies that you pay hundreds of euros to that never produce broken products
11:52:02BigBambihohum: Then you are being silly, and missing out on bug fixes and new features
11:52:10BigBambiBy chosing an arbitrary build anyway
11:52:27BigBambiThere is nothing to say that one has fewer bugs than the present current build
11:53:36hohumnot criticising, I'm indeed gratefull for what I have, thank you.
11:53:53BigBambiI just don't know what you expect us to do
11:55:51hohumthanks for your time, for info, irc works well with CE 5
11:56:08BigBambiCE 5?
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12:39:44stripwax_Buschel - I'm back now. thanks for putting my mind at ease :)
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12:41:05Buschelstripwax: no problem −− my fault :/ I will update the patch today after my current runtime test. do you still hear the glitches with the v7-patch?
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12:42:25stripwaxBuschel - not heard any yet, so I'm happy
12:42:41Buschelstripwax: then I am happy, too
12:43:03stripwaxBuschel - just to confirm - you also heard the glitches with v6? or just from my report?
12:43:29Buschelstripwax: I heard them, too. But I needed to raise the volume a lot
12:44:04stripwaxok - mine were pretty apparent but highly dependent on the track I was listening to
12:44:19stripwaxbut those same tracks now sound fine so I think the problems indeed resolved
12:45:02Buschelstripwax: exactly. I used a track with stable synthesizer sounds, the clicking was quite obvious with it
12:52:09stripwaxBuschel/saratoga - so rockbox draw less current while decoding than the OF for sansa? so does that imply that rockbox battery life is now better than OF, or is it not that straightforward yet?
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12:54:09Buschelstripwax: that's too straight forward −− the runtime tests still show worse battery lifetime. imho this is highly connected to the efficiency of the used codec.
12:54:43Buschelstripwax: e.g. with flac and further twaeking of the normal clock we may exceed the OF
12:54:59stripwaxbut not with VBR mp3 yet, for example?
12:56:19Buschelstripwax: no. mp3 seems to need about 40MHz, mpc about 24MHz, flac about 13MHz. each MHz costs about 1/3mA
12:57:26Buschelstripwax: so, with optimizing the decoders we will gain more battery lifetime
12:58:45stripwaxBuschel - hm, but according to saratoga's post we're drawing less than the retail OS, for mp3
12:59:11stripwaxclearly optimising *more* will give even greater battery life, but is battery life not just a function of required current?
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12:59:53stripwaxand temperature, I suppose..
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13:00:56amiconnIt just struck me that the suggested video sizes for ipod mini aren't correct, and the handling in mpegplayer itself also probably isn't
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13:01:12n1sstripwax: and peak current (more of a concern with hds though)
13:01:38amiconnThe mini's lcd width is not an integer multiple of the block size, so the greylib has to round (down), and uses a width of 136 pixels
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13:03:53amiconnBut even if we suggest a maximum width of 136 pixels, mpegplayer would crop 1 pixel at the right, because it centers the display within the lcd width. It doesn't know that the greylib rounds down
13:04:53stripwaxanyone thought about parallelising one of the codecs to run on both cores at lower overall clock speed? or would that be doomed to failure? rereading portalplayers marketing shpiel suggests their FDK provides something along those lines
13:05:29Buschelstripwax: rockbox will adapt to the needed clock via changing its boost ratio. the higher the clock, the higher the current (as linear function). e.g. mpc needs ~16MHz less than mp3 = 4-5mA less. this is exactly what one can see from the runtime measurements
13:06:43stripwaxBuschel - yep, I know that. so (0.45 * 56.2)+(0.55 * 36.1) = 45.2ma assuming 45% boost, which is less than 47ma of the retail OS for sansa, so I'm confused why the battery life would be less..
13:07:45Buschelstripwax: this also matches the results from flac measurements with v7-patch. it gains a lot runtime (+30%) as flac needs <24MHz the change from 30->24MHz saves ~2mA.
13:08:05Buschelstripwax: maybe the OF uses more efficient decoding?
13:08:28stripwaxactually that's exactly my question - what is 'more efficient' if it uses more current?
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13:09:32Buschelstripwax: ahh, sorry. you talked about sansa? i remember saratoga said the sansa's OF is quite inefficient −− maybe we now surpass sansa's OF, but not the ipod's.
13:10:03Buschelbut i do not know the runtime of sansa OF...
13:10:05stripwaxyes, I was talking about sansa and saratogas measurements :) so when you said battery life is not longer, you meant " - for ipod"
13:10:17stripwaxah-hah! ok, confusion over :-)
13:10:23Buschelas I've got one :)
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13:13:22salty-horsedocs/README mentions the "tools/configure update" option, but the script doesn't do anything with "update"
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13:13:42Bagderthe docs is outdated
13:13:52Bagderwe once had an update option
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13:16:02JamPSiHi! My Sansa e280 freezes now when I plug in the usb-cable
13:16:17JamPSihappened when I updated from 16001 -> newest
13:16:45JamPSiI have opened this now 2 times and I'm getting tired of screwing with my fingers
13:16:54stripwaxopened it?
13:17:05JamPSino way to reset without opening, right?
13:17:10Bagderprese menu for 15 secs
13:18:30JamPSinever had a manual for this thing :)
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13:18:52JamPSibut it still freezes if I plug in the cable when rockbox is running
13:19:14JamPSiAny advice on that one?
13:20:10JamPSiI did a fresh install and it still happens
13:20:33salty-horseI have a problem too: I tried running sansapatcher again and now the bootloader doesn't stop the original firmware from rebuilding the database.
13:20:53JamPSiwtf is happening
13:21:19Domonokysalty-horse: this is sansa ?
13:21:32salty-horseDomonoky, yes. e280 like JamPSi
13:21:56salty-horsethe bootloader used to print a message about disabling the db rebuild, but now it doesn't
13:21:56pixelmaJamPSi: it is known that the automatic reboot that should happen when connecting to USB from a running Rockbox doesn't work reliably on the e200s
13:22:11Domonokysalty-horse: i think rockbox can only prevent database update on some original firmwares. so if you updated the sansa of...
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13:22:31Domonoky*some versions of sansa of*
13:22:33JamPSipixelma: it worked near perfect before, just sometimes had to try several times to connect the cable.
13:22:35salty-horseJamPSi, my sansa just restarts over and over again when i plug the cable
13:22:46salty-horseDomonoky, I haven't updated the original firmware at all
13:22:58JamPSiI had the newest firmware when I put rockbox in
13:23:22JamPSilike a month ago
13:24:51pixelmaJamPSi: in my experience (c200 and tried a Mini once) it is different from build to build (and has been this way for a bit over a year), currently it works alright since the "new" USB stack at my c250 though but I often read about people still having this problem on e200 and Ipods sometimes
13:25:18Domonokysalty-horse: and it worked before ? then it also should work now, rockbox just toggles a bit somewhere, which the of firmware reads out... (but i dont know too much about sansa)
13:25:34salty-horseI know! it's really odd
13:26:11JamPSihmm, now it displays the usb-icon in the player...
13:26:26JamPSi...and freezes :P
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13:27:14JamPSiwell can I get an older build?
13:27:46stripwaxJamPSi - is this just for charging? or do you want to transfer files? I thought you needed to reboot into the of to transfer files
13:27:48DomonokyJamPSi: you could go to the daily builds page. there are builds up to a month ago..
13:28:02JamPSistripwax: I have only this datacable
13:28:07JamPSiso: both
13:28:36JamPSibefore it nicely rebooted into original firmware
13:29:00stripwaxJamPSi - does it work if you reboot into the original firmware yourself manually first?
13:29:08JamPSistripwax: yes i think so
13:29:28pixelmasure as Domonoky said. But I wouldn't worry too much - just connect it from an "off" state and when the Rockbox USB stack is more complete I think the problem should be gone
13:30:09JamPSiwhat needs to be done to the stack?
13:30:41salty-horsepixelma, after the usb stack upgrade, connecting the cable from an "off" state starts rockbox instead of the original firmware
13:31:06DomonokyJamPSi: at the moment it only requests high charging, so much work has to be done on the usb stack (i think zagor is working on ums support?)
13:31:10salty-horseat least, I *think* it was caused by the usb stack upgrade
13:33:35pixelmasalty-horse: huh, really? Connecting my c250 this why always works (at least it always boots into the OF, and only on a slow USB1.1 connection on an old laptop I sometimes have the problem that the OF doesn't detect the connection in which case I really have to start the OF manually first)
13:34:17salty-horseI never had a problem with the OF detecting the connection
13:37:00salty-horsepixelma, it works now! I run sansa patcher again with firmwares supplied by rockbox
13:37:15salty-horsenow it starts the original AND does a db rebuild
13:39:10stripwaxcrazy out-there idea. what would happen if mpa.c creates one thread to decode the stream and one thread to synthesize the samples?
13:39:44stripwaxone on cpu and one on cop
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13:42:32stripwaxwould I be correct in saying the actual decoding is insignificant compared to the synthesising step?
13:42:39salty-horseNico_P, ping
13:43:06Buschelstripwax: synthesizing will take most of the load. I'd say >80%
13:43:28salty-horsehi Nico_P. is there any reason why the track listing in pictureflow isn't sorted by track number (for all the cases where I tested, it's sorted in reverse, but that may be a coincidence)
13:43:52Buschelstripwax: the different decoding speeds for different bitrates show the effect/load of the bitstream decoding
13:44:03stripwaxBuschel - makes sense. crazy out-there idea #2 - decode two frames in parallel on cop+cpu
13:45:06stripwaxI'd imagine an overall lower clock speed and making better use of the two cores would reduce current
13:45:15Buschelstripwax: but if at least the decoder will run on cop we could save some clocking/boosting as the additional load (e.g. gui/wps/...) could run on cpu
13:45:28Nico_Psalty-horse: wow you're right... never noticed it
13:45:36Buschelstripwax: exactly.
13:46:10stripwaxBuschel - so in my mind, the "ideal" metric would be decoding speed if gui/wps is turned off .. an idle gui + codec on cop won't reduce clock speed compared to idle gui + codec on cpu, I don't think
13:46:15Buschelstripwax: the possible gain can be nearly seen in the better runtime when disabling wps
13:46:21Nico_Psalty-horse: I'll see if the fix isn't too complicated
13:46:32stripwaxBuschel - true
13:46:35salty-horseNico_P, when will I be able to play albums through it, as if it's a database interface?
13:46:51BigBambiwhen someone writes it
13:47:01stripwaxthere's already half-a-patch
13:47:39Nico_Psalty-horse: I can't tell you when. ATM I give priority to playback bugfixes
13:47:55salty-horseNico_P, there's an extra space in pictureflow.c:428 "track_count < MAX_TRACKS"
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13:50:50*DerPapst waves :-)
13:51:35Buschelstripwax: btw, I wonder why the default current on sansa is that high. on an ipod the average current (when boosting at ~45%) is ~36mA
13:52:08*stripwax shrugs :)
13:53:27stripwaxDo pp cop+cpu both have iram, or is it shared, or only on cpu?
13:54:05Buschelnot sure, maybe jhMikeS knows...
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13:57:57amiconnBuschel: Not only gui/wps, but also dsp effects
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13:58:13amiconnstripwax: iram is shared
13:58:30stripwaxamiconn - thanks
13:59:06amiconnCache is per cpu, which is what dual core operation tricky, as there is no cache snooping
13:59:54countrymonkeywebHold on, this last commit that touches mpegplayer, does that mean no menu on startup? That would be great for blind people.
14:00:06BigBambiand every one else too
14:00:07amiconnData consistency must be ensured in software, either by flushing and invalidating caches when handing over data from cpu to cop or vice versa, or by using uncached buffers
14:00:34DerPapstmpegplayer for blind people? am i missing something?
14:00:49countrymonkeywebIs the startup menu gone?
14:00:49Buschelamiconn: there were some test before with codec on cop, right?
14:00:53BigBambiI haven't tried, but from the commit message, yes
14:01:10DerPapstcountrymonkeyweb: according to the commitmessage, yes
14:01:31countrymonkeywebThat is about the only thing stopping blind people watching vids in rb other than the handicaps of mpegplayer itself which are handicapping sighted people too.
14:02:09BigBambiwhat is the point of mpegplayer for blind people?
14:02:17BigBambiWhy not just extract the audio?
14:02:20DerPapsti don't quiet understand why blind people want to watch videos in rockbox :-S
14:02:22countrymonkeyweblistening to movies.
14:02:34BigBambiExtract the audio?
14:02:44countrymonkeywebAnd I don't know how to extract the audio.
14:02:49DerPapstcountrymonkeyweb: you'd have to convert the video anyways so extracting just the audio is easier.
14:02:57BigBambiSomething like virtualdub will do it easy
14:03:03DerPapstand faster and doesn'T waste space on hdd
14:03:09BigBambiThen it would take less battery, be easier to work with...
14:03:24countrymonkeywebI'll wait for an video audio extraction utility to be availible on
14:03:35DerPapsteven mencoder does that and vlc probably too
14:03:47amiconnBuschel: Yes, but I didn't follow those tests closely. Reportedly it was rather unstable
14:03:48BigBambiwell, each to their own, but it seems very pointless to me
14:03:56countrymonkeywebfreeware utilities exist to do the same thing?
14:03:57amiconnThis was before jhMikeS' scheduler rework
14:04:01BigBambicountrymonkeyweb: yes
14:04:09DerPapstcountrymonkeyweb: of course
14:04:18BigBambiI already mentioned virtualdub, and menoder + vlc will do it
14:04:25BigBambiI imaging ffmpeg will too
14:04:54countrymonkeywebgoogle time. thx. I would do anything to not watch movies on mpegplayer and use the core playback engine instead. I know it is a work-in-progress but still...
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14:05:14Buschelamiconn: would it be hard to re-implement again? especially as there are two configurations (1. audio-playback only: codec on cop, 2. mpegplayer: codec on cpu, video on cop)?
14:05:15BigBambicountrymonkeyweb: It is easily as easy to extract audio than onvert
14:05:23countrymonkeywebis virtualdub freeware?
14:06:15DerPapstffmpeg does that too.
14:06:41countrymonkeywebcool. I am at the virtualdub web site.
14:06:45BigBambiI think pretty much any audio/video converting/editing program will
14:06:49pixelmaI think you already can "listen" to your movie - if it's a wmv I think Rockbox takes it and plays the wma sound portion :) (haven't tried myself yet though)
14:07:11DerPapstyes. that works too
14:07:30countrymonkeywebYou mean rockbox core or mpegplayer?
14:08:00BigBambimpegplayer plays mpegs
14:08:12countrymonkeywebcool. thx.
14:08:15amiconnBuschel: Also, iirc there was no power saving observed from codec-on-cop. The theory was that the scheduler caused the cores to lock-step
14:08:58amiconnI have no idea how hard it would be; jhMikeS seems to be a dualcore expert
14:09:16Buschelamiconn: hmmm, a pitty... but noone tested after scheduler rework? and: is it possible to switch off cop, if not used?
14:09:17amiconnI don't understand the current scheduler code...
14:09:40Buschelok, maybe I'll ask jhMikeS, if he comes along
14:09:50amiconnThe cop can't be switched off. All it can do is sleep (which both cores do anyway when they're unused)
14:10:57amiconnBtw, if there were just the cores, and no peripheral units in the PP, there would be no advantage in splitting tasks between the 2 cores
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14:11:25Buschelwell, you could lower the clocking then
14:11:47stripwaxamiconn - really?
14:11:49amiconnSince power consuption vs. clock is approximately linear, one core running at twice the clock would consume the same amount of power as two active cores
14:12:01stripwaxhm, I thought someone said otherwise, recently
14:12:19Buschelyes, but right now we clock both cores and only use 1
14:14:32amiconnThe other core is sleeping, hence consumes almost no power
14:15:20amiconnThe gain from splitting would be that we can lower the (average) clock, which saves power in the peripheral modules
14:15:22Buschelok, then there definately no reason to split between cop/cpu
14:15:44amiconnAnd the other advantage would be that we have more total processing power available
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14:16:29amiconnQuite important e.g. if one wants to use ogg and the eq on PP5002
14:17:04amiconnWithout eq, ogg just manages to keep up on PP5002 (treble/bass can be used)
14:17:10stripwaxamiconn - do all the peripherals shame the same clock? ah!
14:19:52amiconnFor most peripherals we don't even known
14:20:03amiconnThe ata controller definitely does
14:20:24amiconnThe lcd bridge 2 can be configured to use either 24MHz or the pll
14:21:04amiconnIn fact the extra processing power is the main reason why we should try to use both cores where it makes sense
14:21:52amiconnThe spc codec already does, and perhaps it is a way to get at least some basic ape realtime on PP...
14:22:11stripwaxI'm poking around in mpa.c as an experiment
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14:55:51countrymonkeywebI cannot figure out how to install qt4. How is it done?
14:56:23Domonokycountrymonkeyweb: on which os ?
14:56:47Domonokythere is a installer for this on the qt webpage
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14:57:08Domonokyinstalls qt and mingw, all you need for rbutil :-)
14:57:34countrymonkeywebAll I find is a 48 mb or so zip file.
14:57:53countrymonkeywebbut maybe there is something I missed
14:58:13Domonokytake a look at this page:
14:58:31Domonokythere is a windows exe for download.. thats the installer
14:59:06countrymonkeywebthx a lot. That will install everything then I compile as described on the rbutil wikipage?
14:59:57Domonokythat will install qt, it also makes a qt entry in the start men, with an entry to a console, you can use to compile rbutil..
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15:00:25countrymonkeywebs the consol cygwin/linux-like?
15:01:19countrymonkeywebthx a lot.
15:01:37Domonokyits a windows console.. but its not much different..
15:02:54countrymonkeywebthx. I should be able to figure it out. I have been building rb for quite a while.
15:03:16*Buschel just reached 13:18h runtime on his 5G 30GB :o)
15:03:41countrymonkeywebcool. I want your build.
15:03:46Buschelthat's 95% of OF :)
15:04:11countrymonkeywebWhat did you do to the build?
15:04:47Buschelfs#8379 + disabling WPS
15:06:31countrymonkeywebNow how is the wps disabled? What will be displayed instead?
15:06:56Nico_PBuschel: does disabling the WPS make much of a difference?
15:06:56Buscheljust go into main menu while playback
15:07:05Buschelit consumes lots of cpu power
15:07:31countrymonkeywebthx a lot. I always need more battery life.
15:08:44stripwaxBuschel - that's the same methodology soap+I used to measure just 16hrs on 5G 60GB. (although that was using v6 not v7 - I don't have a runtime on v7 yet). 16hrs is 75% of OF on 60GB
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15:09:22*Buschel wants an option to switch off WPS if backlight is off
15:09:39stripwaxBuschel - we noticed that peakmeters in wps reduced runtime by about 3hrs, but not such a big difference with wps if wps doesn't have peakmeters
15:09:46*countrymonkeyweb wants that too
15:09:58*stripwax doesn't (on video ipod anyway)
15:10:13*DerPapst neither.... make it a setting :-D
15:10:15*countrymonkeyweb has no 5g
15:10:27*countrymonkeyweb has 4g
15:10:33Nico_Pif you can prove it's makes that much of a difference, it probably will be considered
15:10:36BuschelI guess our blind users would be thankful, too
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15:12:58Buschelcan anyone tell me how to implement boosting while using GUI (and automatically unbossting after a while)?
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15:13:22stripwaxbutton/scrollwheel driver?
15:13:48stripwaxnot sure about the unboosting part, hmm.
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15:16:35soapBuschel, was that 13+ hour runtime with MPC?
15:17:07soapso 0% boost with no WPS vs ~50% boost with MP3 I
15:17:10soap'd assume?
15:17:29Buschelsomething like this, yes
15:17:58Buscheleven @24MHz we still waste current for flac...
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15:18:35soapthe difference between 50% boost and 0% boost is a 10ma draw (roughly) by saratoga's Sansa measurements.
15:19:35soapand if the constant is ~40 ma....95/50*40 = 76
15:20:11soap95% runtime / 50ma we average * 40ma you average = 76% which is what we see.
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15:21:08soapjust pulling numbers out of me bum
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15:23:58*Buschel updated his patch for further testing (especially for flac-users)
15:24:42J-23My player hangs when I enable "Database -> Collecting data when playing"
15:25:09J-23Player is Sansa c240 1GB with radio, I have 1GB microSD card
15:25:30stripwaxJ-23 - using the latest rockbox version?
15:25:30Buschelprediction: when disabling WPS and using flac with even further reduced normal clock, rockbox will exceed OF runtime
15:25:43J-23stripwax: Probably yes.
15:25:52stripwaxBuschel - hm, 'even further reduced normal clock' ?
15:26:03stripwaxoh, < 24MHz ?
15:26:05Buschelon sansa it even does right now
15:26:41stripwaxJ-23 - 'probably'? when did you install rockbox
15:27:10soapfrom saratoga's ma numbers, with your patch, Buschel, rockbox should excees Sansa runtime even with a boosting MP3.
15:27:35Buschelsoap: some user is testing it right now −− let's see :)
15:27:47J-23stripwax: r16000-080105
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15:28:16stripwaxJ-23 can you try the latest one and see if you still get that behaviour? that's a week old, something might have already been fixed.
15:29:04*stripwax recalls seeing a fix for collecting runtime stats
15:30:06stripwaxJ-23 - the setting you referred to, do you mean "Gather Runtime Data"?
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15:33:41turbotorbenis there at the moment a solution in work to run rockbox on the sansa e200 v2´s ??
15:34:07tri170391I think it's impossible for now :(
15:34:12stripwaxargh, silly tracker. Buschel - apols for double-posting my last comment. I hit refresh in my browser, guess it reposted..
15:34:30tri170391No one had cracked the firmware yet.
15:34:38advcomp2019turbotorben, not at the time.. you can look in the forums
15:34:50turbotorbenhmm okay :(
15:34:51tri170391No firmware = no reverse engineering :(
15:35:59turbotorbenbummer :(
15:36:14Buschelstripwax: no prob
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15:40:03countrymonkeywebWhere is rbutil.exe located on a win box once compiled?
15:40:30Domonokyrbutil/rbutilqt/release i think..
15:40:45countrymonkeywebHold on and I'll check
15:41:17countrymonkeywebI ran qmake then make in the folder but the release folder is empty.
15:41:19turbotorbenthanks 4 the answers, have an nice day @ll
15:41:25Buschelamiconn: what is the most generic way to check whether the backlight is off?
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15:41:56Domonokycountrymonkeyweb: and there were no errors ?
15:42:12Domonokytry run make in the rbutilqt folder
15:42:30countrymonkeywebI didn't pay attention. Let me check.
15:43:36countrymonkeywebThere was an error rbspeex-related
15:44:01Domonokyrun make in tools/rbspeex, preferably under cygwin..
15:44:39Domonokythere is a rule to build rbspeex lib in rbutils .pro file, but somehow this doesnt work.
15:44:46countrymonkeywebCool. Then run the rbutil make stuff?
15:45:09Domonokyjeah, just build the rbspeex lib, and the run rbutils make again..
15:45:39countrymonkeywebmcool. thx a lot.
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15:52:04countrymonkeywebIt is spitting out another "no rule to make" error. This time it is coughing up on rbutilfrm.h.
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15:54:01Domonokythere is no rbutilfrm.h ... either its another name, or your rockbox source is very old...
15:54:59Domonokytry "qmake *.pro" then "qmake", then "make" in the rbutil/rbutilqt folder
15:55:34Domonokyit works for me, so it also should work for you :-)
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15:59:25HanHi, I got an Ipod ma428 over here. Can I run rockbox on it?
16:00:00linuxstbNo, that's a second generation Nano.
16:00:56Hanok, thank you.
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16:16:06c0untrymonk3ywebRasher/moos: tasks 8132 and 8369 are past due. Could they please be committed?
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16:22:28moosc0untrymonk3yweb: Hi, I didn't looked 8132, and for the 8369, like I already said you, this is best that one native norsk speaker check the patch first (like preglow for exemple)
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16:24:07moosfor the due date, rasher made it then I guess he is concerned
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16:44:22Azizhello :)
16:44:41Azizquiet a crowd. good for me because i need help :D
16:45:13*stripwax waits for the question...
16:45:47Azizwell. i have a sansa e200 (not v2 and not R)
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16:46:04Azizand i can't seem to install rockbox, either auto or manual, linux or windows =/
16:46:21Azizthe auto-installer did find it, once
16:46:42Azizit would copy the .rockbox directory fine
16:46:51Azizbut when installing bootloader, it would say "no sansa found:
16:47:00Azizsame with manual install 'sansapatcher'
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16:48:29J-23try automatic install with sansapatcher
16:49:11Azizi have
16:49:17DomonokyAziz: your sansa is connected and visible as a drive, when you try sansapatcher ?
16:49:43J-23How can I take screenshots on Rockbox player?
16:49:47stripwaxAziz - is it this: "Warning: The following steps require you to change the setting in Settings -> USB Mode to MSC from within the original firmware"
16:50:00Aziz, right?
16:50:04stripwaxJ-23 you can enable it from the debug menu
16:50:11Azizstripwax, no it is in MSC
16:50:20Azizand it is visible as a drive
16:50:22Azizdrive E:
16:50:55Aziz"no e200s or c200s found, aborting" =/
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16:51:32AzizI should point out that my version number is 01.02.18A
16:51:37DomonokyAziz: havee you done anything on the drive ? like formated it ?
16:51:48stripwaxAziz - and you're running as Administrator on Windows XP?
16:51:50Azizno i haven't.
16:51:59Aziz:/ unfortunately no, stripwax. at work
16:52:04Azizi was going to ask that too
16:52:08stripwaxYou need Administrator rights
16:52:24stripwaxStep 1: Make sure you are logged into your computer as Administrator, or a user with Administrator privileges and connect your player.
16:52:30Domonokythats it, admin rights are needed for direct disk access...
16:52:39advcomp2019Aziz, what firmware version do you have installed into the sansa
16:53:04advcomp2019Aziz, o ok good
16:53:05Domonokyi should include a warning into rbutil if you dont have sufficient rights... (only need a crossplattform way to check this)
16:53:11AzizI'll have to go to my linux laptop as im on the school computers (where I work) and don't have an admin access. And my laptop won't run windows. You able to help me with linux?
16:53:26stripwaxAziz - all the instructions are here:
16:53:52Azizi had tried the automatic installer. i'll try the manual install. if i have issues i'll be back. thanks for the help
16:54:28stripwaxAziz - for linux "you may need to be the root user in order for sansapatcher to have sufficient permission to perform raw disk access to your player"
16:55:07DomonokyAziz: the automatic installer just uses sansapatcher in behind... it will work either way, if you have root/admin rights.. :-)
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17:02:56stripwaxwhat's the fastest way to just rebuild one codec? just 'make'? or is there a better way
17:04:52Azizthanks for the help :) bootloader installed
17:05:21Azizwhat i was doing wrong before was i didn't use "./sansapatcher" and i couldnt figure out why it wouldnt execute :/
17:05:35stripwaxhow *did* you try and execute it ??
17:05:52BigBambi"sansapatcher" I imagine
17:05:56Azizyeah :P
17:06:11Azizstill a noob to linux
17:06:36Azizi suppose with no path, it was looking for "sansapatcher" in the path?
17:06:54BigBambiBy default, Linux does not search the current directory for executables; you must explicitly tell it where to look.
17:07:16Azizshould I add "." to the path?
17:07:32Azizi'm a java programmer so I know how paths work which helps :)
17:07:38Domonokyno, its better to just type ./programname
17:07:41stripwaxAziz - the instructions even say to type ./sansapatcher ...
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17:08:37Azizwell i didnt follow the commands exactly at first. i just read it though "okay make sure its executable and run it". then when it didnt work ran back to this PC and looked again. For some reason the school's wireless is being weird
17:08:43Azizback to windows now for other stuff
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17:10:33Azizmaybe i should delete some music before adding all this:P
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17:16:44Azizalright :) everything's go. thanks for your help
17:17:19stripwaxAziz - thanks. almost all cases of installation not working is caused by not following instructions exactly :)
17:18:19*Aziz shame
17:18:40Aziz"Make sure you are logged into your computer as Administrator, or a user with Administrator privileges and connect your player. " heh
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17:20:18Azizi've been interested in developing a good MP3 player system because all the ones I used were bad. :) and along comes open source rockbox! i may get involved. anyways, again, thanks, im out
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17:34:08ThinkDblhi guys.... I've got a quick question....
17:35:16ThinkDblDoes anyone have a good way to copy a playlist to a rockboxed ipod wherein all the mp3's are in separate directories
17:35:30ThinkDbland copy the mp3's too ?
17:35:57ThinkDbla steer in the right direction really appreciated...
17:36:35stripwaxThinkDbl - do you use linux?
17:36:42c0untrymonk3ywebJust copy your music folder unless there are other files mixed in with the mp3s
17:37:00ThinkDblnope don't use linux
17:37:27ThinkDblthe mp3 files are all in separate directories...
17:37:34stripwaxcopy all the directories?
17:37:38c0untrymonk3ywebme neither. I don't mean copy as in cp, I mean copy as in drag and drop (if windows).
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17:38:57ThinkDblwell I'm talking alot of files and directories... no one knows of an automated way?
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17:39:19GodEater_selecting all the directories and copying them at once *is* automated
17:39:59rvvs89ThinkDbl: Use windows to search for files with .mp3 as the extension, then copy all the results to your device
17:39:59stripwaxif you use linux, you could knock up a simple shell script (or command) to copy each file from your playlist from source to target
17:40:00c0untrymonk3ywebNon-contiguous select if they are all within a certain dir.
17:40:25ThinkDblwell what I'm saying is I have the playlist created.... and I want to carry all those files to the ipod
17:40:37ThinkDblthey are all spread across multi drives and directories...
17:40:46stripwaxThinkDbl - do you want one of us to write a batch file for you to do it?
17:40:58stripwaxwhat directory structure do you want/need on your ipod?
17:41:23stripwaxif your playlist includes the drive (which, presumably, it must) then you would need to change the playlist, too, to remove that drive information
17:41:24soapfoobar can do this
17:41:42stripwaxah, there you go then
17:42:26Fedorageek920Is this an iTunes playlist?
17:42:26ThinkDblaye perfect thanx
17:42:52soapit will need some cofig on your part - but they have excellent forums on HydrogenAudio about foobar config, and their own channel here - their channel is even stricter than here about expecting the question asker to have searched all available documentation, though
17:43:12ThinkDblno problem on hydrogrenaudio....
17:43:32ThinkDblI've forgotten how much of a swiss army knife foobar is.... thanx
17:44:25ThinkDblthank you everyone.
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17:45:42Fedorageek920I'm having a little problem building rockbox.
17:46:37Fedorageek920ipod_fw.c:32:20 getopt.c No such file or directory
17:48:12Fedorageek920I'd like some help, tell me if you need more info.
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17:54:09stripwaxFedorageek920 - do you really need to build ipod_fw ?
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17:54:38stripwaxif you just want to build rockbox (the os), you don't need to build the ipod firmware patcher yourself
17:55:01Fedorageek920The makefile tries to build it...
17:55:14stripwaxhm, which makefile?
17:55:28GodEater_stripwax: I think the make process uses it to build rockbox.ipod
17:55:37stripwaxah - didn't know that.
17:55:44Fedorageek920the one generated when ../tools/configure
17:55:55Fedorageek920I'm on cygwin
17:56:09GodEater_Fedorageek920: your cygwin install is missing some bits
17:56:20Fedorageek920what bits?
17:56:28GodEater_couldn't tell you - I don't use it
17:56:36GodEater_but getopt.c isn't something we ship in the rockbox source
17:56:43GodEater_so it has to be provided by cygwin
17:56:55GodEater_I'd go back over the guide in the wiki to using cygwin as your dev environment
17:57:00GodEater_and check you followed each step correctly
17:57:38Fedorageek920you mean simpleguidetocompiling?
17:58:17stripwaxFedorageek920 - this
17:59:00stripwaxwhat attribute do I need to make something uncached ?
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18:00:50Motosuwacan someone help me with cygwin?
18:01:36Motosuwawell, whenever I try to install it says that an older version of cygwin1.dll was found at c:\windows\system32
18:01:46Motosuwabut the is no such a file at that directory
18:02:18stripwaxare you sure? (you've turned on the option to show hidden and system files in that directory?)
18:03:06Motosuwamy explorer is set to show hidden and system files in every directory
18:03:31stripwaxodd. don't know then. does it prevent you from installing cygwin?
18:03:47Motosuwait doesn't
18:03:53stripwaxtry using explorer Search to locate all copies of cygwin1.dll on your hard drive
18:03:54Motosuwabut it prevents me from compiling
18:04:16stripwaxdo you get an error when you compile (as a result of the cygwin1.dll problem)?
18:04:48Motosuwayes, it says something along the lines of having more than one version of that file
18:05:19MotosuwaI searched for this dll through Search, found some copies of it
18:05:37stripwaxwhere are they located? probably, they could all be deleted and then cygwin reinstalled
18:05:42MotosuwaI just compressed those .dll because I don't know if they will be used by other programs
18:06:05Motosuwasince they located in other programs directories
18:06:23Motosuwalike smoovepod and altera
18:06:31stripwaxif those other programs are in your Path then that's the problem..
18:07:29MotosuwaI will try to uninstall, reboot and than reinstall it
18:07:38Motosuwaand see if something happens
18:08:27stripwaxyou could try that. or you could see if renaming the cygwin1.dll from those app folders (e.g. rename to cygwin1.dll.old) fixes it
18:08:42*stripwax hates apps that install their 'own' version of cygwin libs
18:09:37Motosuwalet me see
18:09:46stripwaxMotosuwa - then if those other apps still work, delete the cygwin1.dll.old too
18:09:58Motosuwawhat's the version of the .dll that cygwin install?
18:11:29stripwax"the latest"
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18:12:32Motosuwawould I be asking too much if I asked you to send me the .dll that you have in your cygwin/bin folder?
18:12:48stripwaxMotosuwa - if you just reinstall cygwin you'll get the latest version anyway
18:13:44stripwaxfwiw mine says version 1005.25.0.0 but I haven't updated cygwin for a while so it's probably not "the latest" version, which you would get when you install cygwin
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18:15:06Motosuwaok, I will reinstall and see what happens
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18:15:25Motosuwabut first will reboot this pc
18:15:47Motosuwathanks for the help, if if persists I will come back
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18:19:01Fedorageek920hey, got all the packages, looked in ipod_fw.c and what do i see? #include "getopt.c" !!
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18:21:30stripwaxthat's right
18:22:07Fedorageek920so, it must be shipped with the rockbox src, but it isn't there! found it on koders.
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18:22:35stripwaxit isn't a rockbox source file, it's a standard function
18:22:42Fedorageek920but, it has a lot of compile errors...
18:23:04Fedorageek920the filename is in quotes...
18:23:06stripwaxlet me see if I can locate the version I have for cygwin. I don't know what you've downloaded from koders..
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18:27:19Fedorageek920searching my cygwin root for getopt.c
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18:32:21stripwaxFedorageek920 - hm, why is __WIN32__ defined on your cygwin setup? for me, ipod_fw.c doesn't need getopt.c because __WIN32__ is not defined.
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18:36:38BigBambiFedorageek920: getopt.c is not part of the rockbox source
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18:42:17Fedorageek920i found it!
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18:47:18FlamingoCan't delete the .rockbox map on my iPod
18:47:25FlamingoSays that it's damaged
18:47:38stripwaxFlamingo - what is "the .rockbox map" ?
18:47:52FlamingoThe .rockbox map on my iPod
18:48:03stripwaxwhat does "map" mean?
18:48:17FlamingoSorry my english's crappy today
18:48:19FlamingoI mean folder
18:48:30stripwaxFlamingo - are you running rockbox
18:49:09stripwaxIs this a rockbox question then? ;-) So you're trying to delete it from e.g. Windows with your ipod connected but running the apple firmware?
18:49:36FlamingoI have apple and iPodlinux installed on it.
18:50:17stripwaxyou didn't answer my question though - how are you 'trying' to delete the .rockbox folder? What is telling you "it's damaged" ?
18:50:44FlamingoI'm trying to delete it from the iPod folder
18:50:47FlamingoBecause it won't load
18:51:10stripwaxFlamingo - *how* are you trying to delete it? thanks.
18:51:19FlamingoRightclick > delete
18:51:30stripwaxFrom Windows?
18:51:41stripwaxRun a checkdisk on it
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18:52:13stripwaxProperties -> Tools -> Check Now from My Computer
18:52:36stripwaxWould you be wanting to reinstall rockbox afterwards ? or never want to run rockbox again?
18:52:56FlamingoReinstalling it
18:53:07FlamingoAnd replacing the rockbox map won't work
18:53:07stripwaxcool. see what checkdisk says first
18:53:43stripwaxsounds like something has corrupted the ipod in some way, which checkdisk should be able to fix for you. then you should be able to reinstall rockbox.
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18:54:20FlamingoI'll redownload it first
18:56:35FlamingoStill checking
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19:02:34Flamingostripwax it's almost done \o/
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19:03:33FlamingoDidn't check the "fix" problems option
19:04:06FlamingoYay it's done \o/
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19:04:54FlamingoOh fuck
19:05:01Flamingostripwax it's still there!
19:06:41BigBambiFlamingo: language please
19:06:49Hilikushey guys, is there a calendar for rockbox? hopefully compatible with google calendar
19:06:54stripwaxFlamingo- what's still where?
19:07:00FlamingoThe rockbox
19:07:13stripwaxYou've run checkdisk, did it fix any problems? Have you tried deleting it now?
19:07:17FlamingoIt doesn't show up in the iPod folder
19:07:18stripwaxCheckdisk isn't going to "delete rockbox"
19:07:38FlamingoReplacing it now
19:07:46stripwaxIt doesn't show up in the iPod folder? But it's still there? I don't understand what you are saying unfortunately
19:07:54linuxstbFedorageek920: I don't know if you've solved your ipod_fw problem, but you don't need ipod_fw to compile or install Rockbox. I'll remove it from the Makefile in SVN now...
19:08:16Fedorageek920okay thanks
19:08:22FlamingoYeah just rebooted my iPod
19:08:22stripwaxFedorageek920 - any luck finding out why __WIN32__ is set on your system?
19:08:41FlamingoAnd it said that it couldn't load Rockbox.ipod
19:08:43Fedorageek920my system is windows...
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19:09:13stripwaxFedorageek920 - so is mine, but when I build rockbox from cygwin it doesn't seem that __WIN32__ is set. I could be wrong..
19:09:37Fedorageek920i have no idea.
19:09:45Fedorageek920how do i un-set it?
19:09:46stripwaxe.g. if I change #include "getopt.c" to #include "" I can still build ipod_fw on cygwin on windows ..
19:10:21Fedorageek920is it possible to un-set it?
19:12:16linuxstbFedorageek920: Just do "svn update", then re-run ../tools/configure and it won't attempt to build ipod_fw any more.
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19:12:39stripwaxFedorageek920 - are you using cygwin bash to compile or mingw shell?
19:12:48Fedorageek920cygwin bash
19:13:40stripwaxat a guess you might have some -mno-cygwin options set in your gcc opts
19:13:56Fedorageek920how can I change those?
19:14:06stripwaxFlamingo - are you up and running rockbox ok now?
19:14:21FlamingoStill copying the files
19:14:33Flamingo3 minutes left
19:14:45stripwaxwow, that's slow
19:15:04Fedorageek920usb 1.1 i guess
19:15:34Flamingonot really
19:15:55Hilikusdoes anyone here use the Contact plugin?
19:17:36Fedorageek920woo! it's compiling!
19:17:46linuxstbThere's a Contact plugin?
19:18:05Fedorageek920I've never seen it...
19:18:11stripwaxFedorageek920 - can you post the output of the shell command 'set' to pastebin please?
19:18:40Fedorageek920sure, just a sec...
19:20:00FlamingoIT WORKS \m/
19:20:54Fedorageek920ALLUSERSPROFILE='C:\Documents and Settings\All Users.WINDOWS'
19:20:56Fedorageek920APPDATA='C:\Documents and Settings\DillonB\Application Data'
19:21:03stripwaxFedorageek920 - STOP
19:21:08stripwaxSTOP NOW!
19:21:08Fedorageek920BASH_VERSINFO=([0]="3" [1]="2" [2]="33" [3]="18" [4]="release" [5]="i686-pc-cygwin")
19:21:13Fedorageek920COMMONPROGRAMFILES='C:\Program Files\Common Files'
19:21:27Fedorageek920HISTFILE='/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/DillonB/.bash_history'
19:21:33Fedorageek920HOME='/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/DillonB'
19:21:36Fedorageek920HOMEPATH='\Documents and Settings\DillonB'
19:21:41Fedorageek920IFS=$' \t\n'
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19:22:04Fedorageek920PATH='/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/sh/bin:/opt/m68k/bin:/opt/arm/bin:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v1.1.4322/:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Borland/BDS/4.0/Bin:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/system32:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/System32/Wbem:/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/DillonB/My Documents/Borland Studio Projects/Bpl:/usr/lib/lapack'
19:22:10perplexityI'd guess you are new at this then Fedorageek920 ?? ;)
19:22:19Fedorageek920PROCESSOR_IDENTIFIER='x86 Family 15 Model 0 Stepping 7, GenuineIntel'
19:22:25Fedorageek920PROGRAMFILES='C:\Program Files'
19:22:29Fedorageek920PS1='\[\e]0;\w\a\]\n\[\e[32m\]\u@\h \[\e[33m\]\w\[\e[0m\]\n\$ '
19:22:31Fedorageek920PS2='> '
19:22:32SlasheriFedorageek920: /flushbuffer
19:22:33Fedorageek920PS4='+ '
19:22:35Fedorageek920PWD='/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/DillonB'
19:22:45FlamingoHow to get out of Rockpaint?
19:22:53Fedorageek920TEXDOCVIEW_dvi='cygstart %s'
19:22:55Fedorageek920TEXDOCVIEW_html='cygstart %s'
19:22:57Fedorageek920TEXDOCVIEW_pdf='cygstart %s'
19:22:58idnaroh dear
19:22:59Fedorageek920TEXDOCVIEW_ps='cygstart %s'
19:23:01Fedorageek920TEXDOCVIEW_txt='cygstart %s'
19:23:13Fedorageek920USERPROFILE='C:\Documents and Settings\DillonB'
19:23:21Fedorageek920you asked me to post set...
19:23:31stripwaxto *pastebin*
19:23:31linuxstbNo, he asked you to post it to pastebin...
19:23:39Domonokyin a pastebin !!
19:23:44Fedorageek920what is pastebin...
19:23:56linuxstb (for example)
19:24:01stripwaxcould have asked before pasting to irc .. !
19:24:27perplexityYou're not the first, and you won't be the last.. welcome to the paste-too-much club
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19:26:09FlamingoI'm using iPodlinux
19:26:16FlamingoAnd I installed rockbox
19:26:31FlamingoHow to switch between those two? ;__;
19:26:57Fedorageek920ipl loader 2
19:27:06FlamingoHow to install it?
19:27:30Fedorageek920it's kind of hard... what ipod do you have?
19:27:39FlamingoNano first gen
19:27:51Fedorageek920same as me. let me find the url
19:29:16Fedorageek920got it:
19:30:21stripwaxFedorageek920 - well, I don't see any unusual gcc flags in there .. so actually I'm still at a loss to explain why your build thinks it needs to define __WIN32__
19:32:21FlamingoHow to install loader2 on Windows?
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19:33:10Fedorageek920you have ipodpatcher.exe?
19:33:13stripwaxFlamingo/Fedorageek920 - note that questions regarding ipl loader and ipodlinux in general are off topic here..
19:33:28FlamingoI do
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19:35:05Fedorageek920there's instructions on the page.
19:36:28FlamingoHow to uninstall Rockbox?
19:36:42BigBambiLook in the manual
19:36:51BigBambiIt has uninstall instructions
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19:45:36Fedorageek920oop, still got a compile error:
19:45:38Fedorageek920cpp0: config.h: No such file or directory
19:45:43Fedorageek920create sysfont.h
19:45:45Fedorageek920Header parsed
19:45:47Fedorageek920Cant create /rockbox/build/firmware/sysfont.c
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19:56:53stripwaxFedorageek920 - config.h should exist.
19:57:07stripwaxyou ran ../tools/configure and then make, both from your build directory?
19:57:46Fedorageek920yes i did
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19:58:36Fedorageek920i am building ipod nano normal build just so you know.
19:59:21stripwaxdoes ../firmware/export/config.h exist?
19:59:37stripwaxoh. type 'which make'
20:00:27Hilikusdoes anyone use rockcalendar or Contacts?
20:01:15Fedorageek920It does. once this build attempt is done I'll do the which make thing.
20:01:28stripwaxI thought you said the compilation already failed?
20:01:29markunHilikus: I don't. Why do you ask?
20:01:52Fedorageek920I keep trying. /usr/bin/make
20:01:54Hilikusi would like to know if any of those have a chance of being comitted
20:02:23Hilikusand i read that rockcalendar is not inculded cause apparently rockbox already has a calendar, but i cant find it
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20:03:11BigBambiHilikus: What FS number?
20:03:37Hilikuswhats FS? to me FS is file system
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20:04:00HilikusFS #4760
20:04:09BigBambiSee the FS there? :)
20:04:16Fedorageek920should i move config.h from ../firmware/export to build dir?
20:04:31HilikusFS #4728
20:04:34Fedorageek920what should i do, then?
20:04:45HilikusBigBambi yes, i noticed that :)
20:05:38stripwaxFedorageek920 - not sure, unfortunately. At a guess it doesn't seem like your cygwin build environment is set up correctly, but that could be a red herring.
20:05:59stripwaxWhat was make building when you got the missing config.h error?
20:06:06stripwaxi.e. what was it doing before that
20:06:29stripwaxactually I have to head out so I won't be able to answer ..
20:06:37*stripwax will be back later on ..
20:07:02Fedorageek920make[1] 'bmp2rb' is up to date.
20:07:40markunSlasheri: there?
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20:18:52Hilikuscan you start playing an album from pictureFlow?
20:25:54BigBambinot yet
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20:34:39Hilikusits looking awesome
20:34:56Hilikusi dont like the fact that it shows albums that dont have cover art
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20:52:32proudfootI'm trying to install rockbox on my sandisk sansa on windows
20:52:41proudfootthe current issue is that windows doesn't assign it a drive letter
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20:52:53proudfootunder my computer - it calls it a music player
20:53:09proudfooti can access it and browse through the folders
20:53:12proudfootbut no drive letter
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20:54:21proudfootcan anyone help?
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20:55:53BigBambiproudfoot: You need to change the usb mode
20:55:56bertrikdid you set usb mode to MSC?
20:56:03BigBambiput in in msc
20:57:09proudfooton the player
20:57:12proudfootor on the computer?
20:57:28BigBambithe player
20:58:20BigBambiproudfoot: This is in the manual....
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21:02:48BigBambinot to worry
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21:04:46Hilikushey im trying to build a sim for windows under linux
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21:04:58Hilikusand im getting
21:04:59Hilikus*** Your compiler (gcc) does not produce Win32 executables!
21:05:32BigBambiHilikus: You need a compiler capable of producing windows executables
21:05:39Hilikuswhat compiler should i use
21:05:56proudfootwindows port of gcc
21:06:12Hilikusport? i want to run the compiler in linux
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21:06:45bluebrotherthen you need to have a cross compiler installed
21:07:10proudfootbeaten damnit
21:08:09bluebrotherDomonoky: how does creating voice files in rbutil work? Doesn't the process require knowledge of the features of the build?
21:09:14bluebrotherHilikus: usually the cross compiler gets the target as prefix
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21:10:11Domonokybluebrother: the features are now in the rockbox-info.txt
21:10:41Domonokyand Bagder built a genlang.cgi to parse the lang files, so rbutil doesnt need them..
21:10:43bluebrotherah ...
21:11:02bluebrotherso you can retrieve a list of strings using that cgi?
21:11:47Domonokyyou give target, revision and features and lang to the script, and get the output of genlang -o (ie a list with the ids and the voice entry)
21:12:19Domonokyyup.. :-)
21:12:52bluebrothermaybe the target language should default to the language rbutil is using ;-)
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21:13:10Domonokythere is a dropdown, you can choose...
21:13:33Domonokybut good defaults arnt bad.. also for the language config of the sapi script..
21:13:44bluebrotheryep, but it doesn't have a sensible default. And the list seems to be unsorted.
21:14:14Domonokyi just included a list of all languages.. sorting wouldnt be bad... :-)
21:14:25bluebrotherhehe :)
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21:14:38Domonokybut i just wanted it working, polishing can come later.. :-)
21:14:43bluebrotherit's really annoying to be cut from upstream :(
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21:15:09bluebrotherindeed. Let's see if I still recognize the code in a couple of weeks
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21:23:37chrism583This may belong on the ipodlinux channel but I've installed that and rockbox without it's bootloader. Does anyone know how to make rockbox appear on IPL's bootloader?
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21:25:37BigBambichrism583: off topic I'm afraid
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21:31:14bistourihi, i'd like to know if a bug in Rockbox could lead to unwanted "chmod style", converting a directory to a file impossible to open (as /music to music on Sansa e200) ?
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21:32:32bistouriThe owner say that OF firmmware still can read music but not Rockbox nor Windows
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21:35:36bertrikbistouri: I never experienced rocking doing something like that on my sansa e200. However the OF does some weird stuff, making the music directory hidden for example
21:36:16BigBambibistouri: FAT32 doesn't support file or directory permissions
21:36:50BigBambiBut now I reread I see what you mean
21:37:03BigBambiBut if at least the OF can read it, this can't be the case
21:37:06DerPapstand chmod doesn't convert directories into files.
21:37:23DerPapstmaybe the filesystem is corrupt or the flash is broken
21:37:43bluebrother^try chkdsk /f on windows (or fsck.vfat)
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21:38:09BigBambiAs bertrik says, are you sure it isn't just hidden? The OF hides the music folder, and neither rockbox nor windows will see it by default if it is hidden. You need to turn on view hidden files in windows, and set rockbox to view all files, not just supported
21:38:10bistouriyou suppose too he has a borken corrupted file system ?
21:39:07*bluebrother^ always forgets what a vanilla windows hides from the user
21:39:29bistourihtanks for helps, recovery programs didn't managed to repair files and he applied a sansa.fmt method
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22:44:47amiconnThat "interesting tidbit" about PP5002 linked from PortalPlayer was proven wrong months ago
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22:45:28amiconnRockbox plays ogg nicely on 1st..3rd Gen ipods since the clock setup for PP5002 was fixed
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22:52:06*n1s bets hell will freeze before apple supports more codecs (that they didn't come up with themselves) in the ipods...
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22:58:57soapare you under the impression they came up with AAc, n1s?
22:59:26n1si was more thinking of alac... but no
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23:12:46*jhMikeS reads the logs concerning some wondering about scheduler code
23:13:02soapLlorean, my Viewports builds are "unsupported" - but only have the one patch - make people go to flyspray or not?
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23:19:54amiconngcc is braindead
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23:21:00amiconnI did a test in the greylib as a preparation for optional iram usage in the greylib: making _grey_info a pointer to a struct _grey_info
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23:21:39jhMikeSgcc breaks on it?
23:21:40amiconnJust that single change dropped frame rate on recorder from 24.5 fps to 19.2 fps (fullscreen grey_ub_gray_bitmap())
23:22:20amiconnThen I put the pointer into a local variable of that function, bringing frame rate back up to 24.3 fps
23:22:43jhMikeSI was thinking you'd just provide the actual static definition of _gray_info yourself and keep the non-pointer syntax
23:23:50amiconnThere would be a problem
23:24:05amiconnThe name would then have to be fixed
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23:25:03jhMikeSor cheat a little with a macro. GRAY_INFO_DECLARE/GRAY_INFO_DECLARE_IRAM or the like :)
23:25:39amiconnAll the functions in grey_*.c use _grey_info.<member> right now
23:25:52amiconnHow would a macro be able to change that?
23:26:12jhMikeS#define GREY_INFO_DECLARE struct _grey_info and #define GREY_INFO_DECLARE_IRAM struct _grey_info IBSS_ATTR
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23:26:51jhMikeSof course I messed up the syntax there but I think it gets the idea accross
23:27:08Aloneahey guys
23:27:23Aloneaany ideas on why the text viewer is wonky now?
23:27:27amiconnThen every plugin using the greylib would have to do that... but it would keep the lib code itself the same
23:27:54jhMikeSyeah, just a one-liner do it's not too troublesome
23:29:43amiconnIt just struck me that the api pointer could be part of the _grey_info struct
23:30:30amiconnDoing so could save some extra accesses depending on architecture
23:31:24saratogajhMikeS: i wanted to ask you about the possibility of running the WPS on the COP
23:31:53saratogatheres been some interest in that lately now that Buschel wants to reduce the default clock rate on PP further in order to save power in MPC/FLAC and other low CPU codecs
23:32:22amiconnI don't think that lowering the default clock further would be a good idea
23:32:44amiconnThat is, unless we introduce multiple boost levels, which would increase complexity a lot
23:33:03amiconnEven 30MHz are alreay pretty low for the UI on colour targets
23:33:37Bagderboosting for interaction is probably a good idea anyway
23:33:38soapin Buschel's FS entry he muses over the idea of boosting on UI interaction.
23:33:38n1samiconn: I think he wants to implement some kind of boosting when the ui is active
23:33:47soaptripple jynx.
23:33:53soaptriple even
23:33:56amiconnA full boost would be overkill imo
23:33:58Bagderit's actually a good idea, Buschel's ideas or not
23:33:59jhMikeSsaratoga: could work but tricky with things the way they are
23:34:44amiconnThe cop shouldn't do any ui stuff imho
23:35:01amiconnThe main thread runs on the cpu, and that's where the wps lives
23:35:35saratogathe last time i proposed boosting on button press, a lot of people felt that using the COP to spread out the CPU load was a better idea
23:36:13amiconnBoosting on button press might waste a lot of power, depending on unit usage
23:36:16jhMikeSthe problems with doing that really crop up from the way input is handled
23:36:56Bagderamiconn: of course, but so does backlight and disk spinups and what not
23:37:05amiconnI think that it would make most sense to offload audio decoding onto the cop
23:37:11Bagderit would still make much snappier ui
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23:37:33Bagderboosting would work on coldfire targets too...
23:37:38amiconnThe ui is very snappy atm, except on ipod video. And that's something that can be fixed
23:37:42jhMikeSaudio decoding on COP does make the most sense then the CPU is pretty free for plugins
23:38:04Bagderamiconn: "people" do complain about laggy ui
23:38:13amiconnOn what target(s)?
23:38:19Bagderpp ones
23:38:21Bagderlike the sansas
23:39:00jhMikeSscolling alot tends to drain the pcm buffer
23:39:18saratogathe sansa's UI seems to lag for a moment when you first press the buttons i've noticed
23:39:46amiconnAs I already said, the 16 bit mono bitmap drawing is not really optimised
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23:41:13*n1s makes his first commit for the year :)
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23:43:42saratogawhy does the PP5003 product brief say it has a "vector floating point unit"
23:45:06jhMikeS5003 = 5002+FPU?
23:45:25Bagderthe 5003 is said to be almost a 5020
23:46:02saratogaodd that they dropped that in subsequent models
23:46:10saratogaassuming its not a mistake in the brief
23:46:49jhMikeSwhoever wrote it probably had no chip docs :p
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23:48:27telliottI have a quick question about my Archos V1 recorder.
23:49:18Domonoky_telliott: then ask..
23:49:47telliottAnyone have a problem where rockbos isn't scanning folders. I was stuck in a subfolder.
23:50:21telliottI could only go back to the main menu.
23:51:08telliottI had to view the current playlist to "break out"
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23:51:55amiconnWhat build are you using?
23:52:09amiconnThis sounds like an old bug
23:52:54telliottI just upgraded a few minutes ago. It may have been a side affect of flashing the .ucl
23:54:03telliottI love that I'm using the V1 long after I was "supposed" to toss it and upgrade.
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23:56:58amiconnHmm. Maybe that old bug is back for some reason
23:57:22amiconnIf it is, it should affect all targets, as the file browser isn't target dependent
23:58:10telliottIt seems to be working now.
23:58:48telliottWhat hardware do you have, amiconn?

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