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| 00:04:23 | pixelma | while I'm at it... can a native speaker think of an adaptation of this note at the top of the FM-Recorder manual radio chapter http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-fmrecorder/rockbox-buildch5.html#x8-890005.9 for the Sansas? |
| 00:05:37 | pixelma | or someone else who can do it quickly, somehow my brain throttled down at this moment :) |
| 00:05:45 | preglow | adapt it how? |
| 00:06:19 | preglow | do sansas sometimes have radio without being supposed to? |
| 00:06:40 | pixelma | that in some Sansas (even the "european" ones which are not labelled to have... yes |
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| 00:07:47 | preglow | NOTE: Not all Sansas support radio. Generally all american models do, but european ones might not. If this menu does not show on your unit, you can skip this chapter. |
| 00:07:50 | preglow | something like that? |
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| 00:09:43 | nanok | preglow: actually, this thing abput european models is very strange, i think it is mostly marketing bullshit (allthough i fail to grasp the use of it) |
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| 00:09:52 | preglow | bullshit how? |
| 00:09:58 | pixelma | yes, now that I think about it though... I don't like this european vs. american business because when I bought my c250 it was available "with (of course more expensive) or without radio" |
| 00:10:10 | nanok | i bought mine from europe, with local manuals and warranty, and it says on the box it has fm, and it does have fm |
| 00:10:23 | nanok | yes, exactly |
| 00:10:26 | preglow | pixelma: well, does it always so so on the box if it does support radio? |
| 00:10:28 | nanok | maybe that's it |
| 00:10:28 | pixelma | Zagor got one without... to find out that it actually had the radio chip |
| 00:10:36 | nanok | so in us it comes only with fm? |
| 00:10:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | Why can't SanDisk just be fair and let people HAVE FM radio? |
| 00:11:13 | nanok | yeah, it's not such a big deal anyway. what is it? 5 dolars? 3 dolars? in production price.. |
| 00:11:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | nanok: I think there's more to it, though. |
| 00:11:32 | preglow | hah |
| 00:11:34 | preglow | not even close |
| 00:11:41 | preglow | that radio chip might cost a dollar, but i doubt it |
| 00:11:50 | nanok | LambdaCalculus37: yeah, i think so to, but it eludes me |
| 00:12:09 | pixelma | nanok: seems like in many the production price doesn't make a difference... if it has the chip and is only disabled in software |
| 00:12:11 | nanok | preglow: yeah, probably, especially in the quantities they buy it.. |
| 00:12:12 | JdGordon|w | isnt there a fm tax in europe which is why its more expensive to get one with the chip? |
| 00:12:25 | preglow | might be |
| 00:12:30 | preglow | wouldn't surprise me |
| 00:12:40 | nanok | hm, /me doesn't know about that.. |
| 00:12:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | JdGordon|w: Yeah, I heard about that once. |
| 00:12:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Can one of the European Rockboxers confirm? |
| 00:13:57 | pixelma | I'm not aware of such a tax (but don't know too much about it) - but I remember that they claimed some legal issues why they didn't sell e200s with radio before |
| 00:14:26 | pixelma | now you can get both officially |
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| 00:15:02 | linuxstb_ | http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/12/13/sandisk_add_fm_radio_to_sansa_e200_serie |
| 00:15:08 | nanok | afaik, there is a problem for emiting, not for receiving.. |
| 00:15:16 | nanok | but maybe i'm wrong.. |
| 00:16:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Quoth the blog linuxstb_ has provided a link for: Launched earlier this year, the European models in both the Sansa e200 and c200 series did not contain an FM Tuner due to increased costs caused by tax requirements. |
| 00:16:07 | nanok | in the good old days, especially in comunist countryes, you were supposed to pay a monthly fee for owning a radio or tv set, because it was assumed you would listen to the programs, thus had to contribute |
| 00:16:18 | nanok | maybe it's something reminiscent |
| 00:16:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Taxes can count as legal, I guess. :) |
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| 00:17:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I'm no lawyer. |
| 00:17:33 | nanok | LambdaCalculus37: well, in some countryes you go to prison for tax evasion, so yeah, i guess they do count :) |
| 00:17:34 | preglow | now retailos has been running for longer than rockbox |
| 00:17:41 | preglow | but there's only a red sliver left of the battery meter |
| 00:19:12 | pixelma | so... can we get back to the original question... "some models... with radio... some without... Rockbox enables it if the hardware is present... " |
| 00:19:25 | pixelma | ? :) |
| 00:19:27 | preglow | but as a rule the american ones do have it, yes? |
| 00:19:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. |
| 00:19:49 | preglow | then i don't see anything wrong with what i wrote |
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| 00:20:10 | preglow | it's as informative as i can make it without boring the user with details |
| 00:20:45 | pixelma | yeah, ok. |
| 00:21:19 | pixelma | as I said, thinking a bit slow at the moment :) |
| 00:21:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Started a battery bench on my c240 this morning... maybe I should check in on it. |
| 00:21:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Holy pieces of cow!! It's STILL running! :O |
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| 00:23:10 | JdGordon|w | his morning... how long ago? |
| 00:23:18 | pixelma | preglow: one thing though "support radio" sounds a bit like that could be something that the could change somehow, no? |
| 00:23:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Over 8 hours. |
| 00:23:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's still on and still playing! |
| 00:24:02 | JdGordon|w | pixelma: you want something like "if the hardware is there then rockbox will use it, you dont have to do anything for the radio option to show" |
| 00:24:10 | JdGordon|w | of course put better than that :p |
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| 00:24:47 | pixelma | yes, but put better :P |
| 00:24:56 | preglow | pixelma: yeah, i don't like "support" either |
| 00:25:10 | JdGordon|w | Llorean: you round? |
| 00:27:03 | preglow | NOTE: Not all Sansas have a radio receiver. Generally all american models do, but european models might not. Rockbox will enable the radio menu only if it can find a radio receiver in your Sansa. |
| 00:27:07 | preglow | how about that? |
| 00:27:37 | JdGordon|w | close enough |
| 00:27:47 | JdGordon|w | its not like anyone actually reads the manual though :p |
| 00:27:47 | nanok | preglow: sounds good. maybe s/enable/display |
| 00:27:50 | pixelma | yes, I like that, thank you :) |
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| 00:28:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: Sounds much better. |
| 00:28:03 | nanok | JdGordon|w: i did! |
| 00:28:13 | nanok | :) |
| 00:28:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | I did too! :) |
| 00:28:28 | * | JdGordon|w hands nanok a cookie |
| 00:28:30 | preglow | i have, partially! |
| 00:28:35 | preglow | i enjoy writing it more :-) |
| 00:28:39 | pixelma | JdGordon: not that the radio chapter is in a very good state... :\ |
| 00:28:51 | * | nanok dunks the cookie in some cola.. |
| 00:28:53 | nanok | yummy |
| 00:28:57 | Llorean | JdGordon|w: Only slightly. What's up? |
| 00:29:13 | JETC- | Ah..I see you guys closed custom list >_> |
| 00:29:21 | * | JETC- is compiling now with viewports list |
| 00:29:38 | JdGordon|w | so, I'm actually using my sansa alot now and power stopping and going to the browser is driving me nuts and I'm confused why it does that instead of return to previous? |
| 00:30:17 | nanok | JdGordon|w: you mean when powering donw and up again? |
| 00:30:32 | JdGordon|w | no, i mean pressing the power/menu button |
| 00:30:34 | nanok | there is an option to which "screen" to go after power up |
| 00:30:40 | nanok | ahm, okay |
| 00:30:46 | JdGordon|w | nanok: holy crap!! no way!!! |
| 00:30:57 | nanok | for that reason i never use stop. i just pause ;/ |
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| 00:31:14 | * | JdGordon|w wonders what sort of genius added that feature :D |
| 00:31:15 | nanok | JdGordon|w: :) |
| 00:31:20 | Llorean | JdGordon|w: I thought "Stop" brings you to the same place "Select" does, it just also stops music? |
| 00:31:50 | JdGordon|w | not in my testing... thats what I would expect though |
| 00:32:10 | nanok | JdGordon|w: don't take it so hard, i am bound to make the odd goof in here, i don't know everybody ;) |
| 00:32:24 | nanok | (sysadmins are known for their slick social skills...) |
| 00:32:54 | JdGordon|w | Llorean: actually... it might not be a keymap thing but my bad... ill ceck it tonight |
| 00:32:57 | JdGordon|w | apologies |
| 00:33:10 | JdGordon|w | nanok: hehe I was giving you a hard time... I added that feature |
| 00:33:34 | nanok | JdGordon|w: i figured that much ;) i was a nice goof though |
| 00:33:40 | nanok | good for a laugh :) |
| 00:33:43 | Llorean | JdGordon|w: The *only* thing I did was make "Power" do the same thing as "Stop" everywhere else. Where it goes wasn't something I decided. :) |
| 00:33:51 | nanok | (on your part, ofcourse) |
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| 00:34:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | My c240 is STILL running! It's been nearly 9 hours already! |
| 00:35:02 | * | Rincewind doesn't like power=stop either |
| 00:35:19 | nanok | JdGordon|w: btw, i just discovered that feature lately, it was really bugging me before. really nice one, saves me getting my hand in my pocket again after power up, and blind-presssing "play" |
| 00:35:36 | Llorean | Rincewind: Dislike it on your H100 too? |
| 00:35:47 | Rincewind | it is especially anoying in the menu and in file browser where I don't expect any button to change my music |
| 00:36:09 | preglow | Llorean: so yeah, seems you were right about my nano battery |
| 00:36:27 | JdGordon|w | I wasnt saying I dont like that combo.. just the returning to the browser always throws me offf... im used to the new keymap now |
| 00:36:38 | Rincewind | Llorean, the thing is, on my H120 I only have to press stop to shut down. On the sansa the power button is used for other things, too. |
| 00:36:40 | Llorean | JdGordon|w: Yeah, definitely something that could be talked about. |
| 00:36:45 | preglow | it's maybe got one hour left in it now, which leaves it at about 10 hours under retailos, and then 8:40 isn't too bad in rockbox |
| 00:36:45 | Llorean | Rincewind: No, it's not. |
| 00:37:04 | Llorean | Rincewind: It's used for the same things it is on the H100, or should be unless I've missed something |
| 00:38:01 | Llorean | If you could track down a specific example where it's not, I'll happily look into resolving it |
| 00:38:29 | JdGordon|w | 8473 is definatly one of the ore odd requests ive seen :) |
| 00:38:31 | Rincewind | Llorean, one thing is returning from the quick menu |
| 00:38:51 | Llorean | Rincewind: It should be possible to return from it in the exact same way you do so on the H100. |
| 00:39:09 | Llorean | Oh, wait. |
| 00:39:10 | Llorean | I see. |
| 00:39:15 | Llorean | Tried Play/Pause instead? |
| 00:39:18 | Rincewind | Llorean, on my h120 I press the menu button again. which isn't possible on sans |
| 00:39:39 | Rincewind | I can't try right now, because my sansa is charging |
| 00:39:49 | Llorean | You can't use it while charging? |
| 00:40:16 | Rincewind | yes, it is charging in OF. because in rockbox it doesn't charge full for me |
| 00:40:28 | pixelma | even though I know it is possible, I don't trust it yet |
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| 00:40:55 | pixelma | charging the c200, I mean |
| 00:41:11 | Llorean | Well, we still need that other charging patch |
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| 00:42:35 | * | Llorean never even noticed how he left the quickmenu, and his Sansa is 160 miles away. |
| 00:42:38 | kugel | JdGordon|w: hi, how's your progress with your viewports list code? |
| 00:42:49 | JdGordon|w | havnt touched it in a while |
| 00:42:50 | pixelma | if I hold select while connecting to USB to keep Rockbox running and then watch the battery level in the debug menu it reports wrong (impossible) values |
| 00:43:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | I tried charging my c240 in Rockbox earlier today, and it didn't charge it 100%. So I just charged it in the OF. |
| 00:43:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I got the same thing on my c240. |
| 00:43:47 | pixelma | amiconn once put it something like this "if that was true (+4.6V) the battery would have already been exploded" |
| 00:45:00 | kugel | JdGordon|w: Sad, since fs#5899 got closed now. I think I will have a look into it soon. But nor before monday |
| 00:45:08 | kugel | not* |
| 00:45:27 | JdGordon|w | cool |
| 00:46:12 | preglow | anyone tried to use the tv out on a newish ipod? |
| 00:46:22 | preglow | i'm really curious of how nice the quality is |
| 00:46:28 | kugel | I still wonder why you have so much RTL_DRAWING #ifs in it |
| 00:46:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: I used it on my iPod video. |
| 00:47:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | I say the quality is between VHS and DVD quality. |
| 00:47:49 | Llorean | preglow: I've used it on the Gigabeat S, but not an iPod |
| 00:48:00 | preglow | Llorean: curious how it looks there too |
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| 00:48:16 | Llorean | I'd say "Cable TV quality, standard definition, maybe a slight bit lower" |
| 00:48:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: How does it look on the Gigabeat S? |
| 00:48:33 | Llorean | Of course, the video I was playing was 320x240 as a test. |
| 00:48:36 | preglow | i'm really tickled by the idea of being able to carry movies around that easily |
| 00:48:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Never mind... lag. |
| 00:48:41 | preglow | no transcoding, of course... |
| 00:48:59 | preglow | gigabeat s should be able to do that |
| 00:49:01 | pixelma | Llorean: btw. I noticed today that I can also hear the noise during buffering on my c250 - at least the initial one (with normal earphones, no in-ears and at a quite low volume) |
| 00:49:19 | Llorean | preglow: Rumor has it the Gigabeat S's chip can output at a range of resolutions above and beyond full SDTV, which would suggest if it's fast enough that you could carry true DVD-quality encodes. |
| 00:49:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: IIRC the Apple's OF outputs to TV out at 640x480. |
| 00:49:39 | Llorean | pixelma: So it's probably the same as the e200 in that regard |
| 00:50:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: If the rumors are true... |
| 00:50:35 | * | LambdaCalculus37 figures to hell with the Gigabeat F; get an S instead :) |
| 00:50:37 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: Well the rumor takes the form of a datasheet that seems to be for the chip in it. |
| 00:50:41 | preglow | LambdaCalculus37: well, i don't think that's too bad |
| 00:50:45 | Subliminaut | Heyo, any idea why my 5.5g says in the debug info that the database progress is -1% (0 entries) , and when I look at any sort category in the Database menu, it says "Searching . . . 0 Found ( )" while it loads whatever category? |
| 00:51:36 | pixelma | well, I can't compare but in this regard the Ondio is much better (I admit I like its sound quality better in general - compared to the same mp3s of course) |
| 00:51:52 | Llorean | Well the e200s also have a noise problem, so yeah |
| 00:51:57 | Llorean | It seems likely |
| 00:52:01 | kugel | JdGordon|w: In case you didn't read. I wonder why you used HAVE_RTL_DRAWING so often |
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| 00:52:59 | kugel | Btw, I think viewports are a great opportunity to introduce 90° rotation |
| 00:53:10 | preglow | kugel: why does viewports make that any easier? |
| 00:53:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | Clicking the hold switch off and on just to check the battery on my c240 shouldn't disrupt the battery bench, should it? |
| 00:53:23 | JdGordon|w | kugel: didnt I asnwer than in the tracker? |
| 00:53:47 | kugel | preglow: Didn't say that. Just...while we're at changing the gui a bit internally |
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| 00:54:40 | Llorean | Sounds like a good plan. Delay viewports an unpredictable amount of time for a feature that most users won't even use, and is unrelated. |
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| 00:54:42 | kugel | JdGordon|w: No. At least firefox search didn't find one HAVE_RTL_DRAWING ;) |
| 00:55:18 | kugel | Llorean: Actually I heard many users wishing this feature |
| 00:55:33 | kugel | So I doubt that most users wouldn't use it |
| 00:55:37 | scorche|w | many = 5? 10? |
| 00:55:40 | Llorean | kugel: I highly expect that most users won't use it. |
| 00:56:02 | Llorean | It might be possible most Sansa users will use it. Maybe. |
| 00:56:17 | Llorean | But Rockbox is on a rather lot more players than "The Sansa" |
| 00:56:19 | JdGordon|w | kugel: check the origional viewports task |
| 00:56:40 | Llorean | kugel: I also don't see what's stopping you from working on it, if you really want to. |
| 00:56:44 | amiconn | A small percentage of portrait-type targets might perhaps use it. |
| 00:56:46 | kugel | Llorean: on every target with portrait lcd, I'd say |
| 00:56:55 | Llorean | kugel: So, all two of them? |
| 00:57:08 | JdGordon|w | and I think in the apps/ layer viewports _could_ possibly make orientation a bit easier, but not by much |
| 00:57:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | Meal time... I'm off. |
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| 00:58:07 | amiconn | But unlike flip which almost comes for free (and actually only exists on those targets where it's possible the cheap way), 90 rotation would be a quite complex feature (except on square colour lcds - where it wouldn't make sense) |
| 00:58:14 | toffe82 | Llorean, preglow The video chip on S (F456) can go up to 1080i at 60Hz (input data must be interlaced) |
| 00:58:27 | kugel | Even if it would be only one! I expect the the supported target list to grow, and I don't expect the industry to use only landscape-type from now on, so it be a nice investment for future use |
| 00:58:48 | preglow | toffe82: that's a good reason to optimize the video codecs... |
| 00:58:53 | kugel | JdGordon|w: I did, every other didn't make sense to me. Gonna re-read |
| 00:59:08 | JdGordon|w | ok |
| 00:59:33 | toffe82 | preglow: yes but I don't think you can ouput this on the composite video |
| 00:59:40 | PuppiesOnAcid` | is rockbox designed for plugins to show stuff in context menus? |
| 00:59:46 | JdGordon|w | well.. its there becasue I tried adding it in so for RTL ;anguages (hebrew and arabic) the icons and bar would be on te right... but it doesnt work well so its ifdefed out |
| 00:59:49 | preglow | toffe82: it's only got composite out? |
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| 01:00:09 | JdGordon|w | it needs firmware/ to be able to draw the text right justified for it to be worth adding... |
| 01:00:35 | JdGordon|w | which I dont think is actually difficult to do for fixed-width fonts |
| 01:00:38 | Llorean | kugel: If you think it's so important, implement it. |
| 01:00:38 | toffe82 | and S video through the dock connector if I remember |
| 01:00:59 | preglow | that sucks |
| 01:01:03 | kugel | Llorean: I doubt I'm able to |
| 01:01:09 | preglow | though s video is better than nothing |
| 01:01:19 | JdGordon|w | amiconn: what do you rekon about draweinf text right aligned in the viewport? possible? |
| 01:01:26 | scorche|w | with the way that thing was designed, i am surprised they dont have HDMI coming from the S.... |
| 01:01:33 | toffe82 | preglow: s video on the dock connector , it is on the block diagram |
| 01:01:46 | Llorean | kugel: Well, "someone who's interested in it, but has more yet to learn" is more likely to get it done than "someone who knows how, but doesn't care" |
| 01:01:53 | Llorean | So if you doubt you're able to, start learning |
| 01:02:15 | amiconn | JdGordon: What's the problem with right justified text? You can do that now... |
| 01:02:24 | JdGordon|w | ? |
| 01:02:30 | amiconn | Just use lcd_getstringsize(), and the place the text accordingly... |
| 01:02:37 | amiconn | s/the/then/ |
| 01:02:39 | JdGordon|w | without having to do that |
| 01:02:46 | toffe82 | but in standard video pal or ntsc, it can display 1024 x 768 |
| 01:03:16 | kugel | Llorean: I never say "please implement it asap with viewports or I'm gonna die" or something. I just stated my opinion that now would be a more siutable situation than like before the viewports thing |
| 01:03:43 | JdGordon|w | amiconn: would it be possible to draw the string backwards in the viewport? |
| 01:04:03 | kugel | Llorean: Also, I am leaning. Every day, but that doesn't mean I can do great stuff at the moment |
| 01:04:05 | amiconn | Well, lcd_putsxy already handles ltr<->rtl. Probably lcd_puts() (*not* lcd_putsxy()) could check a viewport-global rtl flag, and act accordingly |
| 01:04:23 | | Part toffe82 |
| 01:05:38 | amiconn | Currently text output only handles embedded direction changes, but not a global (default) direction. For proper hebrew+arabic support it should, and the .lang/.lng files need a diretionality (?) flag |
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| 01:07:18 | amiconn | kugel: There are several non-trivial problems to solve with display rotation. Non-constant x and y dimensions is just one of them, which is indeed a bit easier to solve with viewports |
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| 01:07:35 | amiconn | But that's the *only* problem of rotation that viewports would help to solve |
| 01:08:01 | JETC- | Hrm |
| 01:08:33 | amiconn | There at least 2 more: * Flip is possible without redrawing the whole display contents. Rotation is not (except for the square lcd case) |
| 01:08:41 | JETC- | I get an error when apply FS #8457 (lists using viewports) |
| 01:08:48 | JETC- | Actually a whole bunch |
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| 01:09:52 | kugel | amiconn: Yea, I see. This is why I doubt I'm able to do this. |
| 01:09:52 | amiconn | * With lcd depths below a bit (packed pixels), the rotated has different bit packing, that means it would practically need a second lcd driver |
| 01:10:07 | amiconn | ^below 8 bit |
| 01:10:29 | kugel | I just think that now is a suitable situation since more people are working on the gui now |
| 01:10:36 | JETC- | http://jetc.110mb.com/misc/logfile7.txt |
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| 01:11:02 | amiconn | And that second driver would also mean all bitmaps need to exist in 2 versions, or you would lose a lot of performance |
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| 01:12:37 | amiconn | This problem does not exist on 8 bit (or higher) lcd depths (i.e. colour lcds), but even there are some problems. For controller where we don't know how to switch update directions, the update function would have to read the framebuffer in non-contiguous fashion |
| 01:13:03 | kugel | Well, but honestly, there's no portrait-type target having less than 16bit. And I highly doubt that there will be one coming into rockbox |
| 01:13:26 | amiconn | And those controllers exist... I know of at least 3. iPod Video, iPod color (only the type0 lcd variant), and Sansa e200 (iirc) |
| 01:13:36 | JdGordon|w | its not only portaight displays youd want to rotate... |
| 01:14:30 | kugel | Well, I'm a sansa user. While I want to rotate by 90°, I doubt there's a use for those who have allready landscape |
| 01:14:54 | kugel | but, on the other hand, I don't want to exclude them from a feature |
| 01:15:39 | kugel | especially since potrait has its advantages at times |
| 01:15:44 | JETC- | JdGordon: is your viewports list patch in sync with the latest svn? |
| 01:15:50 | JETC- | It seems to break on me on compile |
| 01:15:56 | amiconn | Well, what might make sense (and be a lot easier to implement that general rotation), is to include 90 rotated font drawing, enabling some gui elements to do their own, soft rotation |
| 01:16:04 | JETC- | Just asking btw ;d |
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| 01:17:31 | kugel | amiconn: exactly, from the portrait-type point of view, I mainly want to have rotation for wps and some plugins. In lists I'm fine with portrait |
| 01:17:48 | amiconn | But since this would still mean quite a bunch of additional code, it should be implemented as a compile-time option, excluding lowmem targets like the archoses, iFP, and potentially others in the future (e.g. logikdax?) |
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| 01:41:50 | stripwax | preglow - (I've tried tv out too - and agree with the somewhere-between-vhs-and-dvd quality comment) |
| 01:42:22 | stripwax | So according to one of the portalplayer blurbs, the pp502x supports hardware YUV decoding? |
| 01:43:01 | preglow | really? |
| 01:43:13 | preglow | don't remember seeing that |
| 01:43:18 | * | stripwax checks |
| 01:44:11 | Rincewind | I want to set up a new build environment but ftp.gnu.org is down so rockbox.sh can't download binutils and other stuff :( |
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| 01:46:29 | stripwax | preglow - I saw "hardware color space conversion" here. But maybe, that means the FDK includes software support for external devices that implement hardware color space conversion (rather than pp itself including such hardware). Not clear, I admit.. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2005_March_3/ai_n11840160/pg_2 |
| 01:46:53 | alison | hey i got a problem with my rockbox, |
| 01:47:06 | alison | Bigbami you still here? |
| 01:47:26 | alison | any active helpers here? |
| 01:47:39 | stripwax | alison - what's the question |
| 01:47:43 | cool_walking_ | Rincewind: Change the script to point at one of the mirrors here http://www.gnu.org/order/ftp.html |
| 01:47:50 | preglow | stripwax: it's not used much anyway, then, only movie playback done with pp ipods happens in the bcm |
| 01:48:11 | alison | well stripwax: |
| 01:48:20 | stripwax | ? |
| 01:48:21 | alison | me and bigbambi were working on setting up my rockbox |
| 01:48:26 | alison | he said were were almost finished |
| 01:48:31 | alison | until we encountered a problem |
| 01:48:44 | stripwax | alison - please press enter less - just post the entire question if you can |
| 01:48:52 | Rincewind | cool_walking_, that's exactly what I am doing now |
| 01:49:15 | alison | i had my ipod restored using "mac" but it needed windows FAT32. So when we tried to install the rockbox it gave us an error. So he had me restore my ipod using windows |
| 01:49:19 | alison | so here i am :) |
| 01:49:43 | alison | do i have to complete the whole process again or can i start off were i started last? |
| 01:50:27 | cool_walking_ | alison: you have to start again |
| 01:50:33 | alison | oh no! |
| 01:50:40 | alison | okay let me try and mount it real quick |
| 01:50:43 | stripwax | preglow - not sure I parsed that correctly - the bcm is totally separate from this interface? and if that so (which it undoubtably is), it doesn't prevent rockbox from using the pp hardware (assuming we could figure out how to use it) |
| 01:51:04 | preglow | stripwax: the bcm is a separate chip |
| 01:51:14 | Subliminaut | Heyo, any idea why my 5.5g says in the debug info that the database progress is -1% (0 entries) , and when I look at any sort category in the Database menu, it says "Searching . . . 0 Found ( )" while it loads whatever category? |
| 01:51:20 | preglow | stripwax: yeah, but it's a bit hard to use when we have no software to disassemble that uses it :) |
| 01:51:25 | stripwax | preglow - it just takes the raw mpeg bitstream? |
| 01:51:30 | stripwax | preglow - right .. :) |
| 01:51:57 | preglow | stripwax: don't really know how it works, but the lcd is connected to the bcm, so i doubt it passes anything back to the pp for processing |
| 01:52:02 | cool_walking_ | alison: It's pretty simple. just run ipodpatcher and then copy a current build to your player. What instructions are you following? |
| 01:52:10 | alison | ok installing my boot loader right now |
| 01:52:13 | alison | cool_walking_ |
| 01:52:22 | alison | i ran rbutilqt before the ipodpatcher |
| 01:52:25 | alison | i am on linux/ubuntu |
| 01:52:56 | stripwax | preglow - no chance the bcm is being used as just a frame buffer? do we know for certainty that ipod video doesn't do software decoding of video? |
| 01:53:19 | preglow | stripwax: for sure, it would never in hell be able to do h264 at the bitrates it does |
| 01:53:26 | stripwax | fair enough |
| 01:53:37 | preglow | stripwax: and that'd be one expensive and powerful frame buffer :) |
| 01:53:55 | preglow | it's easily four times as powerful as the pp |
| 01:53:59 | alison | is that a problem cool__walking? |
| 01:54:11 | stripwax | preglow - crikey. I had no idea |
| 01:54:29 | cool_walking_ | alison: I think rbutilqt is supposed to set up both the boot loader and a build for you (.i.e. don't need to run ipodpatcher and copy a build). Though it didn't work for me as it couldn't find my iPod. |
| 01:54:36 | cool_walking_ | alison: what? that you're on linux? no |
| 01:54:39 | PaulJam_ | Subliminaut: but does the database show all yor songs? i think it can happen that hte debug menu shows weird values for the database, but it shouldn't affect its operation. |
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| 01:55:13 | alison | no cool_walking. I was worried i ran rbutilqt and clicked "complete install" without running "ipodpatcher" |
| 01:55:33 | alison | i have ipod 30GB Video |
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| 01:55:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | 10+ hours... |
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| 01:56:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | My Sansa c240 is STILL running after 10+ hours... |
| 01:56:27 | alison | hey lambdaCalculus37 :) your back |
| 01:56:45 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: is that an svn build? |
| 01:56:50 | cool_walking_ | alison: if you ran rbutilqt successfully, it should have installed the boot loader and a build, at which point Rockbox should work |
| 01:57:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Yes; running r16096 right now. |
| 01:57:09 | alison | cool_walking: then why was i told to download ipodpatcher? |
| 01:57:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | alison: Because that was to do it manually, in case Rockbox Utility didn't work. |
| 01:57:53 | cool_walking_ | alison: Did you run rbutilqt before or after formatting the iPod to FAT32? |
| 01:58:40 | alison | no. my ipod was "restored" using my Mac computer. We got an error setting up Rockbox. So i went back to my Windows "restored it" with Fat32 and now rbutilqt seems to be working just fine |
| 01:58:54 | alison | installing rockbox player "current" build. Or should it be archive? |
| 01:58:57 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: ok, I should probably try again. My impression was that it got better anyways since I last did a battery bench |
| 01:59:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | alison: No, current build will be fine. |
| 01:59:11 | pixelma | runtime I mean |
| 01:59:13 | alison | ok |
| 01:59:37 | * | pixelma should probably get some sleep too - night |
| 01:59:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: When it runs out and I can retrieve the battery_bench.txt file, then we'll know for sure. :) |
| 01:59:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | Good night, pixelma! |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:00 | alison | cool_walking, LambdaCalculus37 says "RockBox" finished successfully |
| 02:00:05 | alison | whats left to do? |
| 02:00:26 | pixelma | hope I didn't break some manuals but my test compiles all went fine :) |
| 02:00:28 | alison | im installing fonts and themes. |
| 02:00:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | alison: Get some music after that, and sit back and enjoy Rockbox! |
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| 02:01:05 | amiconn | preglow: Afaik the ipod color also has tv out - and that model has no bcm |
| 02:01:38 | amiconn | I wonder how the tv out is hooked up there |
| 02:01:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: The iPod color does indeed have TV out. It uses it to display photos on your TV. |
| 02:01:50 | alison | my ipod is still connect to USB. Looks normal still. |
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| 02:01:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's a third ring in the headphone jack IIRC. |
| 02:02:34 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: I mean what chip, how it is controlled from the bcm, and what hardware acceleration support is there (if any) |
| 02:02:42 | cool_walking_ | alison: Just disconnect it and reboot it (I can't remember if it reboots itself when you disconnect it). |
| 02:02:43 | amiconn | s/bcm/pp/ |
| 02:02:50 | alison | ok thanks cool_walking |
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| 02:03:06 | alison | hey another question, can Apple find out if you voided the agreement using rockbox instead of apple software? |
| 02:03:36 | alison | lets say your ipod breaks, but you got 1 yr service. so you take it there to get it fixed |
| 02:03:48 | alison | wouldn't they find out what you did? |
| 02:03:52 | cool_walking_ | alison: It is simple to completely remove every trace of Rockbox, but it's not very nice for Apple if you do that. |
| 02:04:13 | alison | true |
| 02:04:31 | alison | can you run "boot n nuke on ipod" to wipe all data from the harddrive? |
| 02:05:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: In that case, I'm not very sure. |
| 02:05:24 | cool_walking_ | alison: A "restore" in iTunes will remove everything.... *sigh* I would probably do the same thing, but... it's still not nice |
| 02:05:36 | alison | haha |
| 02:05:39 | alison | cool_walking |
| 02:06:04 | alison | i finished with all my themes and installation. So i just remove from the USB? and MENU+SELECT AND MENU+PLAY? |
| 02:06:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | Just MENU+SELECT. |
| 02:06:20 | alison | great |
| 02:06:22 | cool_walking_ | alison: Not MENU+PLAY - that is to go into disk mode |
| 02:06:31 | alison | lambdaCalculus and cool_walking wish me luck! |
| 02:06:34 | alison | rebooting |
| 02:06:59 | * | Subliminaut drops his pants and shits everywhere |
| 02:07:20 | cool_walking_ | That was unexpected |
| 02:07:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | What in Hades was that all about!? |
| 02:08:01 | cool_walking_ | Hades the place or Hades the guy? |
| 02:08:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hades the place. |
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| 02:08:41 | alison | ok |
| 02:08:46 | alison | i dont see any of my themes... |
| 02:08:52 | amiconn | alison: You can't break an ipod by installing rockbox. If it doesn't boot anymore, you can always reset, go to diskmode, and start over (restoring first if necessary) |
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| 02:09:30 | alison | omg |
| 02:09:32 | alison | its working |
| 02:09:33 | alison | thanks guys |
| 02:09:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | alison: You're welcome! :) |
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| 02:10:19 | preglow | can't this retailos die soon, i want to go to bed :/ |
| 02:11:08 | cool_walking_ | Ha. I don't think I've got the patience for a retail bench. Not being able to use my iPod while doing a Rockbox bench was bad enough... |
| 02:11:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: Still running? |
| 02:11:15 | PaulJam_ | preglow: connect it to the line in of you pc and start a low quality recording. so you can see when it stopped tomorrow. |
| 02:11:17 | * | amiconn wonders why preglow doesn't use somemethod to do unattended runtime tests |
| 02:11:38 | cool_walking_ | Videotape the thing sitting there? |
| 02:11:46 | preglow | PaulJam_: that'd alter runtime, since line in sucks no power |
| 02:11:55 | preglow | amiconn: what method would that be? |
| 02:12:06 | amiconn | What PaulJam_ suggested... |
| 02:12:19 | preglow | well, what i said |
| 02:12:40 | preglow | i'd have to do a similar test with rockbox for the test to be valid |
| 02:12:40 | PaulJam_ | alternatively you could use a microphone near the headphones |
| 02:12:43 | preglow | and i can't be bothered |
| 02:12:49 | amiconn | Well, at moderate listening volumes, the power drain from the earphones is neglectable |
| 02:12:50 | preglow | PaulJam_: better solution |
| 02:13:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | I have to do a test with the OF on my c240 to see a comparison. |
| 02:13:48 | amiconn | But if you want to take it into account, solder a line cable with some 16 ohm resistors in parallel, or use an Y cable and plug in both the headphone and your pc's line in |
| 02:14:20 | alison | hey cool_walking: |
| 02:14:39 | alison | how can i put songs on an ipod without itunes? Is there any other manager to do that? |
| 02:14:39 | * | amiconn always does runtime tests at line level without load |
| 02:15:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | alison: You can copy the songs directly onto your iPod. |
| 02:15:33 | alison | ok |
| 02:15:46 | alison | how come everytime i "disconnect" my ipod |
| 02:15:55 | alison | i get the "rockbox" display screen before my theme boots |
| 02:16:00 | alison | how can i change that? |
| 02:16:25 | cool_walking_ | alison: You can change the boot screen, but you need to compile your own build. |
| 02:17:02 | cool_walking_ | alison: See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling if you want to do that. |
| 02:17:12 | alison | is it hard? |
| 02:17:48 | amiconn | preglow: Example: If I use 16 ohm earphones, the device is able to output 10mW maximum (0 db) to those, and I set a listening volume of -30dB (the maximum I choose outdoors with 16 ohms; indoors I'd rather use -40..-50dB), that means the headphones comsume a mere 10uW |
| 02:17:49 | cool_walking_ | not really. Lots of people have done it. |
| 02:20:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | alison: Just follow the instructions carefully and you'll be fine. |
| 02:20:32 | alison | okay |
| 02:22:28 | alison | what theme are you using cool_walking? |
| 02:22:49 | cool_walking_ | I'm using "Slant" |
| 02:22:59 | alison | how about the font? |
| 02:23:12 | cool_walking_ | Hold on I'll check |
| 02:23:22 | alison | ok |
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| 02:25:01 | alison | LambdaCalculus37: i got a problem |
| 02:25:02 | amiconn | Taking the low efficiency of the headphone amplifier at low output power into account, this amounts to a maximum of ~2.5mW (assuming the headphone amp is running from 3.3V). Compare that to the typical consumption of 80mW for the whole nano (OF playing music). Okay, that's about 3%... |
| 02:25:15 | alison | one of the themes i tried, only 90% of the thing shows |
| 02:25:27 | alison | the bottom part scrolls the song title but it doesnt display |
| 02:25:45 | alison | why is that? |
| 02:25:59 | alison | rockbox "blueray theme" give me the problem |
| 02:26:02 | cool_walking_ | alison: I'm using "courB14_1.fnt", but I think Slant uses "nimbus" by default. |
| 02:26:15 | amiconn | preglow: When did you start your runtime test? |
| 02:26:33 | preglow | amiconn: 15:30 |
| 02:26:40 | amiconn | oh |
| 02:26:54 | preglow | battery meter is two pixels wide now |
| 02:26:56 | alison | how come i do not haev "slant" theme on my rockbox? |
| 02:27:08 | preglow | but that means nano hits 11 hours with retailos on my tired old battery |
| 02:27:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | alison: You have to download the theme. |
| 02:27:13 | preglow | 08:40 with buschel's patch |
| 02:27:18 | alison | oh ic |
| 02:27:19 | preglow | which isn't half-bad, but i want more :/ |
| 02:27:31 | alison | lambdacalculus37: you get my message about the problem? |
| 02:27:45 | amiconn | With a fresh battery it should run for ~14 hours according to http://www.ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html |
| 02:28:01 | preglow | yeah, but this isn't fresh |
| 02:28:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | alison: Some themes that use incorrect WPS code won't displaty right. But you can also try clearing your settings and reloading the theme again. |
| 02:28:49 | alison | i can change the WPS code? |
| 02:29:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | alison: Sure. Here's the page describing the WPS parser code: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=CustomWPS |
| 02:29:35 | alison | ok |
| 02:29:37 | alison | thanks |
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| 02:30:19 | alison | oh wow |
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| 02:37:07 | JETC- | Whoo |
| 02:37:16 | JETC- | My battery went to 25hrs on 90% charge :3 |
| 02:37:24 | preglow | target? |
| 02:38:22 | JETC- | X5L |
| 02:38:35 | preglow | ahh, that's normal, then |
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| 02:39:03 | amiconn | I'd even expect more than 25 hours of runtime from an X5L... |
| 02:39:13 | JETC- | Yeah..it was only 90%charged |
| 02:39:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: I hear the M5L can get up to 50 hours of runtime. |
| 02:39:31 | JETC- | Probably even less with how inaccurate the battery meter in the charge is |
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| 02:39:57 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: Hehe. It was me who carried out the runtime measurement on M5L. Just 3 minutes short of 52 hours |
| 02:40:33 | JETC- | Really :3 |
| 02:40:34 | JETC- | Wow |
| 02:40:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Whoa! That's impressive! |
| 02:41:07 | amiconn | That whas with my standard mp3 test set (lame −−preset standard, ~200kbps on average). Line out, 0dB, no treble/bass/eq/crossfeed/crossfade or other extras |
| 02:41:16 | JETC- | Oh |
| 02:41:20 | JETC- | There were extras for mine |
| 02:41:21 | JETC- | :x |
| 02:41:36 | JETC- | And most of my songs are 320kbps |
| 02:41:44 | JETC- | Go nightwish~ >_> |
| 02:42:45 | JETC- | Anyway, it's fully charged so I'll run the test again. |
| 02:43:05 | JETC- | Does the length of the playlist affect it? |
| 02:43:35 | amiconn | No, at least not with the current playback system |
| 02:43:53 | JETC- | Ok, that's good |
| 02:44:07 | amiconn | Btw, the test also ran without activating the backlight (advantage on M5(L) here: display is readable without backlight) |
| 02:44:37 | PaulJam_ | a longer playlist would propably improve runtime since rockbox doesn't fill the buffer completely on the end of the playlist |
| 02:44:40 | JETC- | Lol..doesn't have that with mine |
| 02:45:10 | amiconn | PaulJam_: If 'repeat all' is emabled, rockbox should always fill the buffer completely |
| 02:45:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Running the test on my c240 unfortunately means that I have to click hold on and off so I can at least see how far it is. |
| 02:45:59 | PaulJam_ | really? i thought it doesn't. (but i have to admit i never use the repeat all function) |
| 02:46:20 | amiconn | JETC-: Well, the backlight is a considerable power sucker. I also carried out a series of tests on my X5 (not L) |
| 02:46:34 | JETC- | Well, the only crappy thing about that test is that...sure it went over 25hrs but really when you're on the last 3hours or so and you turn it off, it won't start backup again |
| 02:47:01 | JETC- | That's what I've noticed anyway |
| 02:47:28 | amiconn | No backlight: ~15 hours. Backlight always-on, brightness = 5: ~10.5 hours, brightness = 10: ~8.5 hours, brightness = 13 (full): ~7 hours |
| 02:47:37 | JETC- | Mine reads 15hrs of battery life on a full charge on my player and when I'm on the last 2-3hrs left and turn it off, I can't turn it back on because of the insufficient voltage to start it back up |
| 02:47:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: That on your X5? |
| 02:47:51 | amiconn | yes |
| 02:48:06 | Mouser_X | to download the NiGHTS set. The problem is that I don't have a torrent client. |
| 02:48:07 | Mouser_X | Recommendations, for Linux? |
| 02:48:16 | Mouser_X | I'm currently attempting to install Opera. Things are going horrribly slow. |
| 02:48:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | Mouser_X: Oi... I think you're getting wires crossed. |
| 02:48:45 | Mouser_X | I'm attempting to figure out what files to delete on my Gigabeat to make enough room for some music I want to put on there (of course, I'm also trying to make room for the NiGHTS set on there was well.) |
| 02:49:01 | amiconn | M5L with backlight always-on went for 36 hours (still impressive) instead of the nearly 52 hours without |
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| 02:50:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Very impressive. |
| 02:50:53 | * | amiconn has a local list of 35 runtime test results (various targets), including logs |
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| 02:52:56 | * | amiconn notices that his 2nd Gen result is missing... |
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| 03:06:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Well, I'm headed off for now... see everyone tomorrow! |
| 03:07:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Or later! :) |
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| 03:07:48 | saratoga | anyone have any thoughts about where the default theme backdrop should go in SVN? |
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| 03:08:34 | saratoga | currently we have a backdrops folder in builds but not in SVN |
| 03:08:57 | saratoga | we could add one, or alternatively it could be put in the WPS folder with the other bitmaps I suppose |
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| 03:17:36 | cool_walking_ | I would say add a backdrops folder. Keeping the source and build structure the same seems like a good idea. |
| 03:19:12 | saratoga | also, does anyone know what the height and width features in the WPSLIST actually do? |
| 03:19:20 | saratoga | as far as I can tell, the parser ignores them |
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| 04:19:51 | alison | hey cool_walking_ |
| 04:19:53 | alison | got a second? |
| 04:20:13 | alison | i can't figure out how to turn off my ipod with rockbox.. |
| 04:20:26 | Llorean | Hold down Play/Pause |
| 04:20:31 | alison | ok |
| 04:20:37 | asn | alison: like with apple's firmware |
| 04:20:45 | alison | right |
| 04:20:54 | alison | well, before i tried "menu/select" |
| 04:21:08 | alison | and it actually removed the rockbox and my apple software reappeared |
| 04:21:16 | alison | then i hit select/play again |
| 04:21:29 | alison | it rebooted and my rockbox loaded again. Is that normal? |
| 04:21:44 | krazykit | it means you didn't remove rockbox |
| 04:22:00 | alison | well when the ipod turned back on, apple software was there |
| 04:22:09 | alison | then when i turned it off again, rockbox appeared.... |
| 04:22:15 | alison | it just seems rather strange to me |
| 04:22:18 | krazykit | oh, you rebooted into the apple firmware |
| 04:23:24 | krazykit | this is covered in the manual, which i suggest you read (sorry about misinterpreting "removed") |
| 04:23:26 | Llorean | Just means that after holding menu and select down, you held Menu just a bit too long. |
| 04:23:36 | alison | yeah |
| 04:23:38 | alison | oh okay |
| 04:23:47 | alison | well why cant i completly remove apple firmware? |
| 04:23:50 | Llorean | Menu+Select reboots the iPod, it doesn't shut down. While booting, having the hold switch on or holding down Menu can trigger booting into the Apple firmware instead of Rockbox |
| 04:24:02 | Llorean | You can completely remove the Apple firmware |
| 04:24:10 | Llorean | It's just a bit more complicated than installing Rockbox at the moment |
| 04:24:18 | scorche | and no real reason... |
| 04:24:19 | alison | oh okay |
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| 04:26:21 | saratoga | anyone around whos familar with the WPS system? |
| 04:26:34 | saratoga | i've nearly got a patch ready to update it for the new cabbie theme |
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| 04:34:35 | saratoga | Llorean: do you have any idea why it was necessary to have a unifont and a default version of Cabbiev2? |
| 04:35:08 | Llorean | Someone objected to the fact that the default version of it couldn't display unicode characters they wanted displayed, so the mob vote decided to make two versions |
| 04:35:46 | saratoga | would it be possible to just merge the two fonts? |
| 04:36:02 | saratoga | because having two fonts means having to copies of each and every BMP and there are a lot of them |
| 04:36:16 | Llorean | Well, I think they're quite different sized fonts. |
| 04:36:35 | Llorean | I mean, it'd be possible, albeit a little ugly, for any theme where the heights are the same, I imagine. |
| 04:36:53 | saratoga | i assume they use the same number of pixels for each though? |
| 04:36:58 | saratoga | or does it not work like that? |
| 04:38:15 | Llorean | I think they created two completely unique versions of the theme |
| 04:38:21 | Llorean | One that uses the larger unifont, and displays less information |
| 04:38:28 | saratoga | ugh |
| 04:38:43 | Llorean | I wouldn't object to dropping one or the other, honestly. |
| 04:38:45 | Llorean | Just pick one. |
| 04:38:50 | Llorean | The non-unifont is prettier. |
| 04:38:53 | saratoga | the way they did it adds >1MB to the 7z file size of a rockbox build |
| 04:39:04 | saratoga | i imagine the zip gets even larger |
| 04:39:05 | Llorean | Unifont is also just a huge font file all on its own |
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| 04:40:26 | saratoga | i was just refering to the bmps |
| 04:40:34 | saratoga | unifont is another 500KB on top of that |
| 04:40:51 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 04:41:00 | saratoga | actually the bmps don't go into builds so never mind |
| 04:41:07 | saratoga | still i dislike the idea of having two copies of everything |
| 04:41:08 | Llorean | Honestly, I wouldn't object to dropping the unifont version, but making it extremely obvious on the "Extras" page |
| 04:41:30 | saratoga | i was going to suggest dropping the default version, so that we at least support all languages by default |
| 04:41:35 | saratoga | is the stock one that ugly? |
| 04:41:41 | saratoga | err unifont i mean |
| 04:43:46 | Llorean | Unifont itself is ugly |
| 04:43:52 | Llorean | The theme is fine. |
| 04:43:58 | Llorean | Unifont just has really thin letters. |
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| 04:44:32 | Llorean | If there were bold forms of the Latin character set it might look nicer. |
| 04:44:35 | Llorean | But really, either way works for me. |
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| 04:47:54 | saratoga | Llorean: well i won't commit the theme itself yet, needs some people to actually test it first |
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| 04:48:13 | saratoga | but i would like to commit the improvements to buildwps.pl |
| 04:48:42 | Llorean | Aaaah |
| 04:48:45 | saratoga | do you think I should wait for one the swedes to look over it or just commit it now? |
| 04:48:52 | Llorean | I'd say go ahead with it. |
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| 04:49:16 | psycho_maniac | anybody ever see soebody just go on the forums or here and just ask plainly "how do i install rockbox" ? |
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| 04:49:31 | saratoga | yeah people do that all the time |
| 04:49:34 | Llorean | Frequently |
| 04:49:37 | saratoga | usually i just lock their threads |
| 04:49:52 | psycho_maniac | it just pisses me off how they review rockbox and they dont know anything about it when they do |
| 04:50:05 | saratoga | while supressing the urge to reply "GETOUT BEFORE ITS TOO LATE" |
| 04:50:26 | psycho_maniac | heh |
| 04:50:49 | saratoga | thats part of the reason i want a default theme, gives the project a better image I think |
| 04:51:33 | psycho_maniac | yes i completly agree |
| 04:51:44 | saratoga | makes us look less ameturish then giving a blank theme that hasn't been substantially revised since the days before color screens |
| 04:52:30 | Llorean | Agreed |
| 04:53:39 | psycho_maniac | thats the first question on the FAQ i think. "It doesnt look very pretty" which should stop people from asking this. |
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| 05:00:20 | saratoga | ok committed |
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| 05:06:02 | Llorean | I'd say go ahead and commit the non-unifont version, then bring up the unifont version for discussion later, maybe? |
| 05:07:15 | saratoga | Llorean: you think people will be ok with me adding a backdrops folder in the root of the rockbox SVN? |
| 05:07:40 | Llorean | In /.rockbox you mean? |
| 05:07:56 | saratoga | yeah |
| 05:08:19 | saratoga | well i mean in the source code itself, not builds |
| 05:08:39 | Llorean | Now I'm slightly confused. |
| 05:08:43 | saratoga | right now when you checkout rockbox you don't get a backdrops folder since we don't have any, but when you build rockbox it creates one in the build |
| 05:08:46 | Llorean | As a search path for the %X tag? |
| 05:08:59 | Llorean | Or do you mean in the wps building script? |
| 05:09:07 | saratoga | its all done from the build script |
| 05:09:14 | Llorean | Ah |
| 05:09:23 | Llorean | I can't imagine why it'd upset anyone |
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| 05:20:38 | safetydan | and if someone does get upset they can always roll it back |
| 05:21:56 | saratoga | whats the difference between a bdf and fnt font? |
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| 05:24:33 | saratoga | it seems that bdf fonts are ignored by the install script? |
| 05:24:49 | Llorean | fnt fonts are created from bdfs |
| 05:25:24 | saratoga | ah i have that backwards |
| 05:25:33 | saratoga | fnt files are ignored |
| 05:25:55 | Llorean | Unless you make fullzip. |
| 05:26:53 | saratoga | any idea where i can get hevetica in bdf format? |
| 05:28:01 | Llorean | rasher's site? |
| 05:28:18 | Llorean | There's like 50 billion fonts here: rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/ |
| 05:28:24 | Llorean | Well, maybe a more realistic number |
| 05:29:04 | saratoga | Llorean: which DPI? |
| 05:29:41 | Llorean | Oh, those are all preconverted to fnt apparently |
| 05:29:51 | Llorean | But they all come from freedesktop.org it seems |
| 05:31:22 | saratoga | i'll post what i have on the tracker, it works with cabbie aside from the unifont version and the fonts, but neither is a huge deal right now |
| 05:31:29 | saratoga | should still be good enough for people to try out |
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| 05:53:50 | strawsbery | Could i have write permission for the wiki? My wiki name is DavidStaas |
| 05:54:53 | strawsbery | I am trying to make a line out cable for the gigabeat F series to use with external amplifiers |
| 05:56:02 | strawsbery | I have been searching around and have found nothing about a line out cable though the wiki has some information on the base station and its pinout |
| 05:57:13 | Mouser_X | strawsbery: Ask toffe82. He's done a lot of work on the hardware of the Gigabeat. |
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| 05:58:00 | jhulst | strawsbery: You should be all set for wiki access |
| 05:58:33 | webguest38 | I plugged my ipod into a computer with itunes, and now i can't access rockbox on it. |
| 05:58:55 | strawsbery | I think he's responsible for the pinout that I was looking at. It has been helpful but I want to put a guide on how to make line out cables up as I work on my project |
| 05:59:13 | webguest38 | halp? |
| 05:59:49 | strawsbery | jhulst: Thanks a lot and I hope that the community will find my project usefull/interesting |
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| 06:00:07 | toffe82 | strawsbery: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatPortPins#Dock_connector |
| 06:00:27 | scorche | heh... |
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| 06:00:49 | toffe82 | You just need to find the connector :) |
| 06:01:28 | strawsbery | It's been found |
| 06:02:03 | strawsbery | Toshiba uses the same connector with a different pinout for their E800 PDA |
| 06:02:08 | webguest38 | how do i turn rockboc back on? |
| 06:02:18 | webguest38 | *rockbox |
| 06:02:47 | toffe82 | you should update on this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatCustomdock |
| 06:03:48 | toffe82 | strawsbery: take care about the connector of the e800 as some came with a little circuit inside, so don't connect direct without modification |
| 06:04:38 | cool_walking_ | webguest38: Hold SELECT+MENU to reboot the iPod. It should boot into Rockbox. |
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| 06:09:03 | webguest38 | thanks |
| 06:09:14 | cool_walking_ | webguest38: that worked? |
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| 07:48:12 | nanok | well.. rockbox charging from usb port stil doesn't work :( |
| 07:48:23 | nanok | i left it in for the night to be sure.. |
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| 07:51:47 | nanok | see you guys |
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| 09:02:24 | markun | preglow, Llorean: I found the Datasheet of the TV out chip in the Gigabeat S a few days ago |
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| 09:29:25 | GodEater | anyone care to check my response here : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14984.msg111972#msg111972 ? |
| 09:30:11 | GodEater | I think I'm right - but not certain |
| 09:30:30 | petur | does rb->mp3info take a pointer to mp3entry? |
| 09:31:02 | petur | if so, then it is: rb->mp3info(id3, buf2); |
| 09:31:34 | GodEater | suerly if you declare the struct like I did, you need to pass the address don't you ? |
| 09:31:41 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:32:03 | petur | no, you declared it as a pointer: struct mp3entry *id3 |
| 09:32:33 | petur | oh wait |
| 09:32:49 | petur | you changed declarations between those two |
| 09:34:04 | GodEater | yes |
| 09:34:19 | GodEater | I would have thought his version would explode |
| 09:34:37 | GodEater | since he never gets any memory for the struct |
| 09:34:40 | GodEater | not that he pasted anyway |
| 09:34:56 | petur | correct... |
| 09:35:29 | GodEater | and I assumed that was where his "cast" error was coming from too |
| 09:35:51 | GodEater | since he declared it as a pointer originally, and then tried to pass it into the fuction with '*' on the front of it |
| 09:36:28 | LinusN | i replied in the thread |
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| 09:37:51 | linuxstb | Shouldn't he be using get_metadata() rather than mp3info() (at least for swcodec) ? |
| 09:39:14 | LinusN | probably |
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| 09:43:47 | GodEater | and now that I look at his code again, he also has a call to set id3 to the return from audio_current_track() in his first post. |
| 09:43:54 | GodEater | so perhaps my version isn't right either |
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| 10:20:57 | bignose | after putting the Rockbox MBR onto my iPod Mini, it no longer boots. |
| 10:21:07 | bignose | MBR was downloaded from <URL:http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/mbr-mini2g-6gb.bin> |
| 10:21:29 | bignose | transferred with 'dd if=mbr-mini2g-6gb.bin of=/dev/sda' |
| 10:22:25 | bignose | only shows the "folder and caution symbol" image on boot. |
| 10:23:17 | bignose | 'ipodpatcher' worked one time, when the original Apple firmware was installed |
| 10:23:27 | bignose | but now, when I run 'ipodpatcher', it reports "[ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting." |
| 10:23:40 | bignose | how can I continue from here? |
| 10:23:41 | linuxstb | Why did you copy the MBR? i.e. what state was your ipod in before that? |
| 10:24:07 | linuxstb | ipodpatcher's error message tells you the problem - the firmware partition no longer contains a valid firmware image. |
| 10:24:28 | bignose | linuxstb: because the storage partition was HFS, and the manual insists that it must be FAT, linking to <URL:http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32> |
| 10:24:47 | bignose | that page in turn instructs me to download and install the MBR image. |
| 10:25:15 | linuxstb | I know, I wrote it ;) Try this page - http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodManualRestore |
| 10:26:46 | bignose | linuxstb: so what step was wrong? |
| 10:26:58 | bignose | linuxstb: AFAICT, I've been following the installation instructions. |
| 10:28:12 | pixelma | I don't know much about this but just asking the obvious - are you sure yours is a 2nd generation Mini with a 6GB drive? |
| 10:28:20 | bignose | okay, I now have the file 'iPod_7.1.4.1.ipsw'. I can't tell if that's right for my 6GB iPod Mini. |
| 10:28:47 | pixelma | ok, ignore me :) |
| 10:28:49 | bignose | pixelma: it has the capacity on the back, I'm told that's what distinguishes a 2nd Gen from a 1st Gen. is that right? |
| 10:28:56 | linuxstb | The download page says it's right, and I would believe it. |
| 10:30:06 | linuxstb | bignose: I don't know what went wrong, but the IpodManualRestore page will fix it. |
| 10:30:15 | bignose | linuxstb: so, you asked why I replaced the MBR; I answered that the installation manual says I must. does that answer your question? or is the manual incorrect? |
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| 10:31:22 | linuxstb | bignose: I just wanted to know what state your ipod was in before you replaced the MBR. You were right to do so, and it _should_ have worked - if your ipod was in the expected state beforehand. You also needed to format the main partition as FAT32 - did you do that? |
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| 10:32:01 | GodEater | Nico_P: could you look at FS8469 please ? |
| 10:32:28 | bignose | linuxstb: I ran 'mkfs.vfat /dev/sda3' |
| 10:32:37 | linuxstb | That was the problem... |
| 10:32:38 | bignose | linuxstb: should I have done something different? |
| 10:32:52 | bignose | can I fix it without overwriting the firmware? |
| 10:33:05 | linuxstb | You needed to unplug and reattach your ipod (so Linux re-read the new partition table), and then format /dev/sda2 |
| 10:33:33 | Nico_P | GodEater: looks good |
| 10:33:36 | bignose | /dev/sda2 is shown by fdisk as "Apple_MDFW firmware", a 32MiB partition |
| 10:34:13 | bignose | the IpodManualRestore page is worrying; it says I should write the firmware image to the *first* partition, but that's not the firmware partition. |
| 10:34:23 | linuxstb | Then you didn't write the MBR successfully (or the MBR that's been donated is incorrect). A correct DOS partition table on the ipod should have two partitions - sda1 is type 0 (empty) and sda2 is type 0xb (or maybe 0xc) - FAT32. |
| 10:34:30 | bignose | my iPod partitions show in fdisk as: |
| 10:34:38 | bignose | /dev/sda1 Apple_partition_map partition map 62 @ 1 ( 31.0k) Partition map |
| 10:34:42 | bignose | /dev/sda2 Apple_MDFW firmware 65536 @ 63 ( 32.0M) Unknown |
| 10:34:45 | bignose | /dev/sda3 Apple_HFS disk 11934944 @ 65600 ( 5.7G) HFS |
| 10:34:47 | GodEater | the MBR has written then |
| 10:34:51 | linuxstb | ^what I just said... |
| 10:34:53 | GodEater | *hasn't* |
| 10:34:58 | bignose | so I don't believe the IpodManualRestore page when it tells me to write the firmware image to /dev/sda2 |
| 10:35:10 | bignose | erm, when it say to write firmware to /dev/sda1 |
| 10:35:19 | bignose | "/dev/sda1 Apple_partition_map partition map 62 @ 1 ( 31.0k) Partition map |
| 10:35:21 | linuxstb | bignose: _please_ read what I just told you... |
| 10:35:22 | bignose | /dev/sda2 Apple_MDFW firmware 65536 @ 63 ( 32.0M) Unknown |
| 10:35:25 | GodEater | bignose: stop worrying about the firmware, and redo the MBR again |
| 10:35:26 | bignose | linuxstb: okay |
| 10:35:28 | bignose | /dev/sda3 Apple_HFS disk 11934944 @ 65600 ( 5.7G) HFS |
| 10:35:32 | bignose | whoops |
| 10:36:20 | bignose | linuxstb: re-do it from where? I wrote the MBR with 'dd if=mbr-mini2g-6gb.bin of=/dev/sda' |
| 10:36:27 | GodEater | Nico_P: worth commiting ? |
| 10:36:40 | GodEater | bignose: yes - redo that step |
| 10:36:49 | bignose | as the 'IpodConversionToFAT32' instructs |
| 10:36:53 | GodEater | then do "eject /dev/sda" |
| 10:37:03 | Nico_P | GodEater: yeah, I'll do that now |
| 10:37:07 | GodEater | unplug it, and then plug it in again |
| 10:37:11 | GodEater | Nico_P: thanks ;) |
| 10:37:20 | bignose | GodEater: unplug *before* reformatting the partition, or after? |
| 10:37:28 | GodEater | before |
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| 10:37:39 | bignose | the 'IpodConversionToFAT32' doesn't show that step that I can see. |
| 10:37:45 | GodEater | otherwise linux won't re-read the partition table |
| 10:37:50 | GodEater | bignose: then we'll update it so it does |
| 10:37:58 | bignose | if it's necessary, can someone please be sure to update that page? |
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| 10:38:32 | bignose | okay, I'll re-do that process inserting "unplug and re-plug ipod" before the reformat step. |
| 10:38:47 | GodEater | don't forget the "eject" command either |
| 10:40:07 | bignose | eject? but I never mounted it. |
| 10:40:27 | bignose | just ran 'dd' to the device, without doing a mount. |
| 10:41:06 | GodEater | eject != umount |
| 10:41:15 | bignose | okay. steps performed now: |
| 10:41:21 | GodEater | page updated |
| 10:41:39 | bignose | - 'dd if=mbr_foo.bin of=/dev/sda' |
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| 10:42:06 | bignose | - 'eject /dev/sda' |
| 10:42:23 | bignose | - (ipod reboots, shows "caution/folder" image) |
| 10:42:31 | bignose | - unplug ipod, reconnect |
| 10:42:34 | bignose | - (ipod reboots, shows "caution/folder" image) |
| 10:42:45 | bignose | - 'fdisk /dev/sda' |
| 10:43:11 | bignose | - shows same three partitions, including FS type HFS for the large partition. |
| 10:43:20 | bignose | no FAT partition in the table. |
| 10:43:33 | GodEater | right - let me go look at the MBR you've downloaded |
| 10:43:34 | bignose | is something wrong here? or do I ignore the partition table? |
| 10:44:37 | GodEater | something's wrong |
| 10:44:50 | GodEater | either the dd command is failing, or the content of that MBR image you've downloaded is broken |
| 10:45:32 | GodEater | linuxstb: could you check it too ? |
| 10:45:40 | GodEater | the 2G mini 6GB mbr looks like junk to me |
| 10:45:52 | bignose | okay. |
| 10:46:07 | GodEater | bignose: bear with us - we'll see if we can find you a good one |
| 10:46:23 | bignose | thanks to all for the help, it's very encouraging |
| 10:48:10 | bignose | the errors in the documentation and files are less encouraging, but at least you guys are being responsive about them :-) |
| 10:48:10 | linuxstb | bignose: You should probably create the partition table manually. The ipodlinux wiki has some instructions for that - http://ipodlinux.org/Restore_Without_Itunes |
| 10:48:10 | GodEater | bignose: what errors in the documentation ? ;) |
| 10:49:00 | GodEater | bignose: also, those mbr's are donated by owners of the hardware - the devs don't check them as a rule. |
| 10:49:16 | bignose | :-( |
| 10:49:42 | bignose | perhaps, as a rule, they might −− to catch "that one looks like junk to me" type easy-to-detect errors. |
| 10:50:21 | GodEater | bignose: they've got enough other things to do, as a rule |
| 10:50:41 | linuxstb | We can't test everything, especially if no-one owns the relevant device - we're reliant on users like yourself to test things and report problems. |
| 10:50:55 | GodEater | which you've now done, so thanks for that ;) |
| 10:51:09 | bignose | okay, running 'sudo fdisk /dev/sda' doesn't show me what the page tells me to look for |
| 10:51:33 | bignose | I don't see the "The number of cylinders for this disk is set to NNNN" messafge |
| 10:51:45 | cool_walking_ | You shouldn't put sudo in the instructions as not all distros come with it. |
| 10:52:00 | bignose | cool_walking_: I put that in |
| 10:52:31 | bignose | I mention it here to hopefully forestall "you need to run it as root" prompts in this channel :-) |
| 10:52:33 | GodEater | cool_walking_: also - those instructions aren't ours, they belong to the iPL guys. |
| 10:52:56 | cool_walking_ | ah okay |
| 10:53:23 | linuxstb | bignose: Don't worry about that. Just use fdisk to create a partition table similar to the one listed for the 4GB mini2g. The first partition should be the same size as the 4GB mini, and then the second partition should just be all the remaining space (and obviously will be bigger than the 4GB...) |
| 10:53:50 | bignose | the number of cylinders isn't important? |
| 10:53:57 | linuxstb | No |
| 10:54:02 | bignose | okay |
| 10:54:04 | GodEater | bignose: the instructions say it's not ;) |
| 10:54:26 | bignose | the instructions also say "remeber the underlined value" for that number-of-cylinders message |
| 10:54:32 | * | GodEater goes to a meeting |
| 10:55:10 | bignose | I apologise for my trepidation, but I've trashed this ipod twice already trying to follow the install instructions. |
| 10:55:35 | bignose | and I have no Apple software anywhere to restore things if it gets messed up. |
| 10:56:11 | bignose | okay, here's the same problem again: |
| 10:56:32 | bignose | the instructions don't talk about "delete the partition already listed as the firmware partition" |
| 10:56:40 | bignose | they just say "delete partition 1" |
| 10:57:05 | bignose | but in the 'fdisk' output I see, partition 1 is the "Apple_partition_map partition map" |
| 10:57:16 | bignose | and the firmware partition is partition 2 |
| 10:57:24 | bignose | which one should I be deleting and re-creating? |
| 10:57:53 | bignose | (for reference, I'm talking about the instructions at <URL: http://ipodlinux.org/Restore_Without_Itunes >) |
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| 11:06:52 | linuxstb | bignose: I'm not sure what else I can say - you need to work out how to use fdisk to create a partition layout as I described. |
| 11:07:53 | bignose | it turns out the fdisk I'm running is 'mac-fdisk' |
| 11:08:12 | bignose | using a different one, 'pmac-fdisk', shows me a different story |
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| 11:10:04 | bignose | I see a partition 2, with the size of the data partition |
| 11:10:14 | bignose | and a "free space" about 32 MB |
| 11:10:44 | bignose | the instructions at <URL: http://ipodlinux.org/Restore_Without_Itunes > tell me to create partition 1, and "Set the partition type to Empty" |
| 11:10:56 | bignose | when I do that, I get the space shown as "Free space" |
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| 11:16:53 | linuxstb | What OS are you running? |
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| 11:17:50 | bignose | linuxstb: Debian GNU/Linux |
| 11:18:31 | bignose | the 'fdisk' I have show different output to 'cfdisk' and 'pmac-fdisk' :-( |
| 11:18:53 | bignose | the latter two show my ipod has a partition table as you described earlier |
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| 11:19:11 | bignose | /dev/sda1 is about 32 MB, type 0 ("Free space") |
| 11:19:23 | bignose | /dev/sda2 is the remaining space, and is FAT32 |
| 11:20:09 | bignose | I'm now doing 'mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sda2' |
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| 11:21:13 | bignose | now 'eject /dev/sda', and reboot to disk mode |
| 11:23:06 | linuxstb | bignose: Sounds promising. I have to go now, so good luck. |
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| 11:24:10 | GodEater | Nico_P: yay - nice delta :) |
| 11:24:29 | GodEater | well, for the most part |
| 11:24:37 | GodEater | I can't understand why the archos builds got bigger =/ |
| 11:25:10 | Nico_P | probably because AA.c wasn't compiled on those and thy got one more public func |
| 11:25:37 | bignose | well, I can't tell how successful that was, but the partition table remains the same at least |
| 11:25:59 | GodEater | Nico_P: they didn't have it in tree.c already ? |
| 11:26:03 | bignose | I've formatted the data partition, copied the '.rockbox' directory to it |
| 11:26:29 | bignose | but 'ipodpatcher' says "[ERR] No ipods found, aborting |
| 11:26:29 | Nico_P | GodEater: yes, but it was static |
| 11:26:36 | GodEater | ah of course! |
| 11:26:41 | GodEater | silly me |
| 11:26:46 | bignose | the ipod is reconnected in disk mode, but ipodpatcher can't see it. |
| 11:27:07 | bignose | what is ipodpatcher looking for, and what do I need to do to satisfy it? |
| 11:28:01 | GodEater | bignose: did you dd the contents of the unzipped ipsw to the firmware partition yet ? |
| 11:28:19 | bignose | GodEater: no, I was told not to worry about that. has that changeD? |
| 11:28:29 | pixelma | bignose: did you check if the apple firmware is up and running again? |
| 11:28:46 | GodEater | bignose: who told you not to worry about it ? |
| 11:28:55 | GodEater | you need it now you've formatted the disk right... |
| 11:28:58 | bignose | linuxstb told me that. |
| 11:29:24 | GodEater | I think he just meant "don't worry about until you've got the partitions laid out right" |
| 11:29:25 | bignose | okay, so I should 'dd if=Firmware-7.2.6.1 of=/dev/sda1' yes? |
| 11:29:33 | GodEater | bignose: yes |
| 11:29:41 | bignose | where /dev/sda1 is the 32MB "empty" partition I created |
| 11:29:49 | GodEater | correct |
| 11:30:20 | bignose | okay. done that |
| 11:30:24 | bignose | now 'pumount /dev/sda2' |
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| 11:30:28 | bignose | then 'eject /dev/sda' |
| 11:30:29 | GodEater | no leave it |
| 11:30:35 | GodEater | just run ipodpatcher again now |
| 11:31:00 | bignose | okay. I haven't run the eject yet. I'll run ipodpatcher now. |
| 11:31:18 | bignose | "[ERR] No ipods found, aborting" |
| 11:31:30 | GodEater | hmm |
| 11:31:31 | GodEater | ok |
| 11:31:33 | GodEater | eject it then |
| 11:31:35 | pondlife | How come the iPod Mini build got such a lovely green delta? |
| 11:31:39 | GodEater | and unlpug it |
| 11:31:47 | GodEater | and then see if it boots into the apple os |
| 11:31:53 | GodEater | pondlife: I'm struggling to work that out too |
| 11:31:59 | GodEater | I knew I'd get a positive on most of them |
| 11:32:03 | GodEater | but not THAT big ;) |
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| 11:32:49 | pondlife | It's the RAM measurement... |
| 11:33:42 | GodEater | explain... |
| 11:33:48 | bignose | same result after 'eject /dev/sda', then re-plug the ipod, then run 'ipodpatcher' again: "[ERR] No ipods found, aborting" |
| 11:34:05 | pondlife | No idea why, just noticed it's the RAM, not the BIN measurement. |
| 11:34:08 | pixelma | pondlife: that's the delta it didn't get on 2008-01-13 23:03 - and IIRC they say it's alignment and those jumps are there since the new USB stack.... |
| 11:34:09 | GodEater | bignose: but did it boot into the apple os ? |
| 11:34:16 | GodEater | pondlife: ah ok |
| 11:34:24 | bignose | ah, I didn't reboot, just re-plugged. |
| 11:34:28 | bignose | shall reboot now. |
| 11:34:39 | GodEater | pondlife: I also notice it was on of the few that didn't get a green from the language buffer resize |
| 11:34:49 | pondlife | Yep, as pixelma said |
| 11:35:01 | GodEater | so she did |
| 11:35:07 | bignose | GodEater: no, rebooting still gives the "caution/folder" image |
| 11:35:07 | * | GodEater adjusts his non-existent glassesd |
| 11:35:20 | bignose | and same message from ipodpatcher |
| 11:35:23 | GodEater | bignose: then the firmware write didnt' work |
| 11:35:32 | bignose | okay. |
| 11:35:37 | GodEater | and ipodpatcher will keep saying that until you've successfully written the firmware to it |
| 11:35:54 | bignose | than I don't know what went wrong. |
| 11:36:01 | pondlife | So there's a pending big delta for the iPod Video still to appear.. |
| 11:36:32 | bignose | I wrote the firmware image (downloaded from the URL you led me to earlier) |
| 11:36:34 | bignose | with 'sudo dd if=Firmware-7.2.6.1 of=/dev/sda1' |
| 11:36:56 | bignose | then made sure to unmount and eject the device, before rebooting |
| 11:37:10 | bignose | so what needs to be changed in that process? |
| 11:38:48 | GodEater | bignose: I don't know - that's all you should have to do. |
| 11:38:52 | GodEater | bignose: try doing the dd again |
| 11:39:01 | GodEater | and then make sure you unplug and reboot the ipod again immediately |
| 11:39:36 | GodEater | it should start doing a firmware update |
| 11:39:44 | GodEater | at which point LEAVE IT ALONE UNTIL IT'S DONE |
| 11:39:59 | bignose | GodEater: okay. 'sudo dd if=Firmware-7.2.6.1 of=/dev/sda1 && eject /dev/sda', then unplug, reboot, wait. |
| 11:40:02 | GodEater | inteferring with it at that stage is the only known way to brick an ipod |
| 11:40:03 | bignose | yes? |
| 11:40:06 | GodEater | yes |
| 11:41:17 | bignose | no change. reboots to "caution/folder" image. |
| 11:41:45 | GodEater | then I'm afraid I'm stumped |
| 11:42:00 | bignose | I should do the 'dd' while booted to disk mode, yes? |
| 11:42:16 | GodEater | yes |
| 11:42:23 | bignose | okay. that's what I did. |
| 11:42:31 | GodEater | it isn't possible to do it at any other time |
| 11:42:44 | bignose | can I get my partition table and have it examined for problems? |
| 11:42:58 | bignose | or can I describe it in more detail somehow? |
| 11:43:39 | GodEater | nope - I'm just completely out of ideas |
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| 11:45:38 | bignose | I'll try <URL: http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/linux/rbutilqt-v1.0.2.tar.bz2 > |
| 11:45:41 | bignose | good or bad idea? |
| 11:46:11 | GodEater | won't help |
| 11:46:19 | GodEater | you NEED the apple firmware on your ipod |
| 11:46:23 | GodEater | and currently you don't |
| 11:46:33 | bignose | hm |
| 11:46:45 | LinusN | bignose: just to double check, how big is your disk? |
| 11:46:57 | LinusN | show me the output from fdisk |
| 11:47:11 | bignose | LinusN: the back of the case says "6 GB", and fdisk agrees |
| 11:47:49 | LinusN | good, i just wanted to make sure that you partitioned the right disk - once a guy managed to repartition his system disk by mistake |
| 11:48:05 | bignose | eep :-) |
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| 11:53:16 | bignose | argh. do I need the 'seek=63' parameter when installing the Apple firmware image? |
| 11:54:04 | bignose | no, apparently not, if I specify the partition number |
| 11:54:19 | * | bignose is utterly confused by disk layouts on Apple devices |
| 11:54:45 | LinusN | bignose: did you try http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ |
| 11:56:32 | bignose | LinusN: yes, that's where GodEater led me to. I downloaded 'Firmware-7.2.6.1' for my iPod Mini 2nd Gen 6GB |
| 11:57:41 | bignose | sorry, the file I downloaded was 'iPod_7.1.4.1.ipsw' |
| 11:57:49 | bignose | which expanded to 'Firmware-7.2.6.1' |
| 11:58:27 | LinusN | ah good |
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| 12:02:57 | homielowe | When compiling the sim using apple-arm-darwin, it complains I don't have features.h, bits/errno.h , would a symlink to usr/include/bits/errno.h solve that, or am I just going in the wrong direction. http://pastebin.ca/859733 |
| 12:03:56 | bignose | LinusN: <URL: http://pastebin.ca/859734 > |
| 12:04:09 | bignose | LinusN: that's the different outputs from 'fdisk' and 'pmac-fdisk' |
| 12:04:18 | bignose | which is why I'm not really sure what's going on with my partition table |
| 12:05:31 | LinusN | bignose: wow |
| 12:06:03 | LinusN | pmac-fdisk looks awfully wrong |
| 12:06:27 | LinusN | homielowe: looks like you are missing an include path somewhere |
| 12:06:37 | bignose | really? pmac-fdisk is the only one that actually agrees with <URL: http://ipodlinux.org/Restore_Without_Itunes > |
| 12:07:16 | bignose | the 'fdisk' output doesn't match any of the rockbox or ipodlinux documentation I've been reading |
| 12:07:41 | homielowe | LinusN:Should I post my current makefile if that helps? http://pastebin.ca/859735 |
| 12:08:46 | LinusN | bignose: well, according to your pasted output, it only has sda2 |
| 12:09:47 | bignose | LinusN: yes, that's the result when I set partition type 0 for sda1 |
| 12:10:00 | bignose | as instructed by <URL:http://ipodlinux.org/Restore_Without_Itunes> |
| 12:10:06 | LinusN | bignose: ah i see |
| 12:11:06 | bignose | what value should I be using where those instructions say "Now enter a value which creates a big enogh firmware partition." |
| 12:11:35 | LinusN | 32mb |
| 12:12:27 | bignose | okay, "+32M" |
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| 12:14:40 | LinusN | homielowe: i don't know much about darwin, but i guess you would have to add -I/usr/include to GCCOPTS |
| 12:15:06 | homielowe | LinusN: let me try |
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| 12:20:16 | homielowe | LinusN; Seems to complain my machine isn't the target architecture. http://pastebin.ca/859788 |
| 12:20:23 | * | homielowe will try another day |
| 12:22:40 | LinusN | homielowe: ehum.... |
| 12:23:34 | LinusN | homielowe: wait a sec, "arm-apple-darwin"?????? |
| 12:24:29 | LinusN | ah of course |
| 12:24:44 | homielowe | I'm trying to build the sim for the ipod-touch/iphone, I've made a sim with the right dimensions that will compile on unix etc, I'm just having trouble compiling for the target |
| 12:24:54 | LinusN | where are the headers for you architecture then? |
| 12:27:01 | homielowe | I sort of have an idea what you mean , but I followed this tutorial, http://code.google.com/p/iphone-dev/wiki/Building , |
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| 12:32:35 | LinusN | homielowe: where did you install the developer sdk header files? |
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| 12:36:34 | homielowe | usr/local/arm-apple-darwin/include I think |
| 12:37:26 | LinusN | ...which isn't in your include path according to your makefile |
| 12:37:41 | * | homielowe go's to the corner |
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| 13:22:34 | picard_pwns_kirk | is there any way to change the look of the status bar? |
| 13:23:42 | Nico_P | picard_pwns_kirk: not currently, but it should change in the relatively near future |
| 13:24:03 | picard_pwns_kirk | do I have to build my own version? |
| 13:25:17 | Nico_P | no, you can download binaries from http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 13:25:27 | Nico_P | unless you want to include patches, of course |
| 13:25:56 | picard_pwns_kirk | no, I mean, to get custom statusbar icons |
| 13:26:13 | Nico_P | ah, well there's no patch for it yet |
| 13:27:13 | picard_pwns_kirk | oh well |
| 13:27:28 | picard_pwns_kirk | thanks |
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| 14:05:26 | bignose | No joy with getting firmware onto my iPod Mini. Giving up for today. |
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| 14:21:46 | preglow | retailos gets 11:40 here, with buschel's patch i get 8:40 |
| 14:21:53 | preglow | not bad, but still not there |
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| 14:41:31 | amiconn | preglow: And with plain svn? |
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| 14:43:39 | preglow | amiconn: haven't tried, might later |
| 14:43:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Morning, guys! |
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| 15:09:14 | markun | wow, my gigabeat crashed in a very weird way :) |
| 15:10:18 | markun | I was trying to reproduce a crash from the bug tracker and my screen showed the OF bootloader image with very strange colours and the 'data abort' shown on top of it, but almost unreadable |
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| 15:17:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: Good morning! |
| 15:17:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | What bug was it you were trying to reproduce? |
| 15:18:21 | markun | hi LambdaCalculus37! http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8445 |
| 15:18:51 | markun | I can also reproduce it in the sim, but after my latest FreeBSD upgrade, gdb crashes when trying to debug the sim :( |
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| 15:26:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: I can try to reproduce the bug on my iPod right now if you wish. |
| 15:28:42 | asn | Sorry if I'm turning this in a C discussion for tards, but I was checking out plugins to find a simple one and start understanding how "rockbox" "works", and I found something that I don't get in credits.c. It has a while statement like this: while (1) {, etc etc. |
| 15:28:47 | asn | What is while (1) ? |
| 15:29:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: Posted a comment to FS. Got a Data Abort. |
| 15:29:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | "Data abort at 00052648 (0)" |
| 15:30:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | Had to reset my iPod. |
| 15:30:42 | asn | oh it's an infinite loop. nvm |
| 15:30:47 | markun | yes :) |
| 15:32:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: What do you suppose it could be? Bad combination of settings, perhaps? |
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| 15:33:53 | markun | Maybe we are trying to read past the plugin buffer |
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| 15:52:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: Sounds like it. |
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| 16:02:26 | Casainho | hello RB people :-) |
| 16:03:06 | Casainho | I would like to know what tools are used for debug on ARM... |
| 16:03:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hello Casainho. |
| 16:03:25 | Casainho | tools when developing RB.... |
| 16:04:46 | Casainho | because I don't know if doing the Free/Open hardware player, should use JTAG with GDB |
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| 16:04:58 | Casainho | or serial port - RS232... |
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| 16:10:46 | Casainho | Bagder: how do you debug when you develop |
| 16:16:06 | asn | Moving on with the retarded C questions. credits.c is using the lcd_puts function. I checked plugin.h/plugins.c and I can't find the code for lcd_puts, I can only find function prototypes for it |
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| 16:16:47 | linuxstb | asn: It's defined in the lcd drivers - firmware/drivers/lcd-*.c |
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| 16:26:09 | asn | linuxstb: So, credits.c includes plugins.c which in it's turn includes lcd.h, etc. etc. 'till something includes lcd-something.c. And that makes credits.c able to call the lcd_puts function? |
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| 16:30:33 | linuxstb | Not really. credits.c (like all plugins) access functions which are in the main rockbox binary (like lcd_puts) via the plugin API. |
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| 16:35:06 | asn | linuxstb: and how does the compiler understand the functions in credits.c even tho only plugin.h and helper.h are included in it? |
| 16:35:25 | asn | plugin API eh? I'll check it out |
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| 16:36:40 | linuxstb | plugin.h includes lcd.h - which is where the function prototypes are. |
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| 16:41:27 | asn | lids: and since plugin.h includes lcd.h, does plugin.h _has_ to also have function prototypes of the things in lcd.h? Or well, why is there a: void (*lcd_puts)(int x, int y, const unsigned char *string); , in plugin.h? |
| 16:42:35 | magenpie | i had rb installed on e280...i just unzipped the current build, deleted the original rb folder and now won't boot into rb...says missing .mi4 but i see that file in the folder... |
| 16:43:37 | magenpie | since i wasn't asked about overwrite i thought i should delete the orig folder...was i wrong? |
| 16:46:05 | saratoga | .rockbox is where rockbox is located |
| 16:46:16 | pixelma | the folder you need is the .rockbox folder which contains everything, unzipping a new build should indeed overwrite the existing ones |
| 16:46:30 | saratoga | if it didn't ask you to overwrite that when you unziped, then it probably didn't extract to the right location |
| 16:46:32 | magenpie | the current folder is named .rockbox(3) and i can't rename |
| 16:46:49 | magenpie | but it doesn't...i end up with two folders |
| 16:47:00 | saratoga | use a better zip program |
| 16:47:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | magenpie: http://www.7-zip.org |
| 16:47:19 | magenpie | better zip? i'm in linux... |
| 16:47:34 | magenpie | i mean i can get another zip app |
| 16:48:22 | magenpie | what i did...i copied the zip file to the e280 folder and extracted |
| 16:48:48 | saratoga | you could just use unzip rockbox.zip -d . from inside the sansa |
| 16:49:11 | * | LambdaCalculus37 needs to be quicker with the keyboard :) |
| 16:49:32 | magenpie | i was inside the sansa but i right clicked and selected extract here...isn't that the same thing? |
| 16:50:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | magenpie: What distro? |
| 16:50:55 | magenpie | debian |
| 16:51:21 | magenpie | wait...i think i know what i did wrong |
| 16:53:26 | magenpie | i think i already had a couple of rb zip files..so new one got named rb(3) |
| 16:53:32 | magenpie | sorry |
| 16:54:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | magenpie: Ehh, don't worry about it. It was an honest mistake. :) |
| 16:55:13 | magenpie | lol |
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| 17:01:01 | magenpie | got it |
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| 17:01:40 | xator | http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=fXWRL39XI2Y look this video |
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| 17:03:46 | magenpie | darn...now the cassette theme looks different |
| 17:04:04 | magenpie | and the font is smaller |
| 17:08:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | xator: Why the hell did you post that? |
| 17:08:51 | magenpie | looked kinda dumb to me...lol |
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| 17:10:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | xator: If you're here to just spam the channel with crap, we're here to tell you that it's against the IRC guidelines to do that. |
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| 17:13:02 | GodEater | who's Mr. Flyspray ? |
| 17:13:10 | GodEater | (i.e. the expert on it) |
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| 17:14:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Good day to you! |
| 17:14:57 | GodEater | afternoon squire |
| 17:15:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | Isn't Zagor Mr. Flyspray? |
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| 17:15:55 | GodEater | I was hoping one of the other Swedes would have a clue too =/ |
| 17:15:56 | jumpatrain | the monitor mode is awesome for overhearing conversations |
| 17:15:57 | GodEater | and be here ;) |
| 17:16:17 | jumpatrain | what clue |
| 17:16:39 | GodEater | I'm implementing an FS based issue tracker here, but for some reason, all new tasks are opened as "Closed" - which seems rather counter intuitive. |
| 17:16:42 | GodEater | Not to mention wrong. |
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| 17:17:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's unusual! Why's Flyspray acting like that? |
| 17:18:54 | GodEater | no idea |
| 17:18:59 | GodEater | I'm sure the RB doesn't |
| 17:19:00 | GodEater | :) |
| 17:19:22 | GodEater | which is why I wanted to get hold of Zagor or someone else that knows it better than me |
| 17:20:04 | amiconn | jhMikeS: there? |
| 17:21:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | Bagder: Ping! |
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| 17:34:47 | GuySoft | hey all, if i want to install rockbox on an iaudio f2, what firmware/bootloader to use? |
| 17:36:01 | pixelma | none, Rockbox only rund on the players listed on the frontpage |
| 17:36:06 | pixelma | *runs |
| 17:36:38 | GuySoft | are you sure? isnt there an unofficial way? i saw people talking about this in the fourms.. it works on simular devices |
| 17:36:48 | GodEater | we're positive |
| 17:36:50 | GodEater | it won't work |
| 17:37:54 | GuySoft | GodEater, no bootloader hack for it in plan? |
| 17:38:38 | GuySoft | GodEater, its in the wikipedia page, should we correct this? |
| 17:39:45 | GuySoft | ah wait, its talking about the telechips port |
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| 17:45:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Good day to you, good sir! |
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| 17:45:17 | linuxstb | 'ello. |
| 17:45:43 | saratoga | whos the best person to talk to about the WPS code in rockbox? |
| 17:45:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | GuySoft: Is this the device you're talking about? http://www.cowonglobal.com/product_wide/product_F2_feature.php |
| 17:46:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Because that is definitely not supported by Rockbox. |
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| 17:48:05 | GuySoft | LambdaCalculus37, yes.. for some strange reason people around here think you can, as long as you dont have firmware byond version 2.. not sure why.. i guess you are a more reliable source |
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| 17:50:20 | GodEater | saratoga, it's probably Nico_P I'd have thought |
| 17:50:53 | GuySoft | LambdaCalculus37, do you know anything about this device and linux in general? it seems to give problems with the charging there... |
| 17:51:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | GuySoft: The front page at http://www.rockbox.org/ will always tell you what devices are supported. |
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| 17:51:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | No, I don't own any Cowon devices. :( |
| 17:51:30 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wishes he got an iAUDIO X5 last summer when he saw them |
| 17:51:45 | * | idnar hugs his X5 |
| 17:52:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | GuySoft: These guys can help you out more for your F2: http://iaudiophile.net/news.php |
| 17:52:24 | GuySoft | idnar, how is the X5? |
| 17:52:28 | * | linuxstb hugs his F80 - 40 times better than the F2 |
| 17:52:39 | idnar | GuySoft: well, I like it |
| 17:52:46 | GuySoft | LambdaCalculus37, ill search in their site right away |
| 17:53:13 | idnar | the Cowon firmware isn't actually that bad, although I still prefer Rockbox |
| 17:53:34 | idnar | I wouldn't mind a bit more HDD space, but 30GB isn't too bad |
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| 17:55:06 | GuySoft | LambdaCalculus37, hell, their no-spam question is "what is the nearest star". i know its the sun, but i do know most people tend to fall for that question, and say something like alfa centouri |
| 17:55:42 | GuySoft | gtg, bye |
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| 17:58:28 | preglow | battery_bench is only supposed to write lines to log when the disk spins up, yea? |
| 17:58:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: Yeah, IIRC that's what the documentation on the wiki states. |
| 17:59:11 | preglow | on nano it writes all the bloody time |
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| 17:59:32 | preglow | several times per minute is normal |
| 17:59:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: On my c240 it didn't write anything! |
| 17:59:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | So my battery bench from yesterday was for nothing. >:-( |
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| 18:00:40 | preglow | well, do the sansa ata drivers properly emulate spinup/down? |
| 18:00:55 | pixelma | nope |
| 18:01:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | That explains it. |
| 18:02:30 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SandiskE200BatteryMeasurements applies to the c200 as well |
| 18:04:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Yes, those measurements are what I got. My c240 lasted over 10 hours. |
| 18:04:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | I tested using a playlist of 34 MP3s at 220kbps VBR. |
| 18:05:13 | pixelma | I meant the "patching battery_bench" part (or "hacking") :) |
| 18:05:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Oh.. right.... heh heh! |
| 18:05:59 | * | LambdaCalculus37 feels a bit sheepish now |
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| 18:16:49 | Nico_P | saratoga: what do you want to know? |
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| 18:49:26 | amiconn | preglow: battery_bench collects data points in memory whenever voltage changes. It writes them out to disk whenever it detects a spinup |
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| 18:50:25 | amiconn | The memory buffer can take up to 1000 entries. If it overflows before a spinup is detected, it rolls the entries, and remembers how many entries are dropped |
| 18:51:13 | preglow | still, i wonder why battery_bench finds the disk spinned up so much |
| 18:51:22 | amiconn | So the sansa flash driver needs to learn how to emulate spinups. The Ondio driver does this correctly, and so battery_bench works |
| 18:51:24 | preglow | several times a minute is a bit much |
| 18:51:28 | amiconn | ? |
| 18:51:34 | preglow | on nano |
| 18:51:41 | amiconn | It collects entries several times perminute |
| 18:51:50 | amiconn | That doesn't mean it writes that often |
| 18:51:55 | preglow | well, on nano it does |
| 18:52:01 | amiconn | How do you know? |
| 18:52:06 | preglow | because i read the log? |
| 18:52:13 | preglow | forget me |
| 18:52:28 | amiconn | The log doesn't show that info... |
| 18:52:34 | preglow | yes, yes, forget i spoke |
| 18:53:00 | preglow | something needs to be wrong on the nano ata front, though |
| 18:53:02 | preglow | it's so slow... |
| 18:53:15 | preglow | database scanning is eXCEEDINGLY slow |
| 18:53:27 | amiconn | battery_bench will probably log a good deal more entries since we went from centivolts to millivolts for battery voltage |
| 18:53:59 | preglow | test_disk is just plain depressing |
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| 18:54:27 | preglow | 1 files/s delete |
| 18:54:29 | preglow | wee |
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| 19:03:45 | cagnulein | hi! |
| 19:03:49 | cagnulein | rockbox r0x! |
| 19:04:34 | Tuplanolla | yeah, it does! |
| 19:05:03 | iamben_ | its ok |
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| 19:05:56 | cagnulein | ^^ |
| 19:11:45 | saratoga | Nico_P: still around? |
| 19:11:50 | Nico_P | yes |
| 19:12:23 | strawsbery | damn |
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| 19:14:06 | saratoga | the default WPS people want to have a unifont version and a normal version for Western langauges |
| 19:14:43 | saratoga | i was going to put in two versions of the WPS, but I do not want to duplicate all the bmps |
| 19:15:06 | saratoga | is there some way to make two themes share the same bitmaps but have different .wps files loaded? |
| 19:15:29 | saratoga | i couldn't see anyway to do it from the build scripts but i don't know anything about how rockbox handles things after compile time |
| 19:18:21 | asn | What's the purpose of many lcd-*.c in firmware/drivers? For different "monitor" sizes? |
| 19:19:50 | Domonoky | asn: no for the different lcds, different lcds need different ways to access them.. |
| 19:20:24 | asn | Woah |
| 19:20:27 | asn | Thanks |
| 19:20:39 | asn | and which lcd-* file is corresponding to the iPod? |
| 19:20:58 | Domonoky | which ipod ? :-) |
| 19:21:20 | asn | Domonoky: 5G Video |
| 19:22:13 | Domonoky | ah, now i see which lcd- files you mean, for color this is lcd-16bit.c |
| 19:22:22 | amiconn | The various lcd-*.c files in firmware/drivers/ are for the different pixel formats |
| 19:23:22 | Nico_P | saratoga: it requires some (rather small) changes in the loading code |
| 19:23:24 | amiconn | The device specific code is in firmware/target/<platform>/<manufacturer>[/<target>]/lcd-*.c and lcd-as-*:S |
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| 19:31:05 | asn | amiconn: that's confusing. Is there a document describing it or something? For example, if I want to lcd_puts something in my iPod 5G which lcd-*.c file will it use? The one in /firmware/target/arm/blabla or the one in /firmware/drivers ? |
| 19:31:08 | saratoga | Nico_P: do you think thats the best way forward? |
| 19:31:36 | saratoga | or is it too messy? |
| 19:31:38 | preglow | could we replace the default wps while we're at it? :> |
| 19:32:12 | Nico_P | it does makes sense, yeah. We just need to come up with a convention (something like "cabbie.something.wps", and we load bitmaps in the "cabbie" dir) |
| 19:32:24 | saratoga | preglow: thats my goal as soon as I get cabbie into SVN |
| 19:32:46 | Nico_P | is it ready for prime time? |
| 19:32:47 | preglow | what is this cabbie you're speaking of |
| 19:33:15 | saratoga | Nico_P: name.unifont.wps would be fine by me |
| 19:33:23 | saratoga | preglow: the default wps thing |
| 19:33:59 | preglow | hrm |
| 19:34:07 | asn | amiconn: i'll go take a quick shower .brb |
| 19:34:16 | preglow | dislike the colour scheme :/ |
| 19:34:25 | preglow | but at least it's not orange and blue, heh |
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| 19:35:37 | * | amiconn would prefer orange and blue |
| 19:36:13 | amiconn | Not that I would ever use a wps loading such a load of bmps. The bmp strip idea is still unimplemented :\ |
| 19:37:11 | preglow | a pity |
| 19:37:34 | preglow | black and gold isn't the prettiest combo ever, though |
| 19:37:56 | preglow | but like i said, i'm pretty much for anything that's not the current default |
| 19:39:07 | Nico_P | I really don't link the gigabeat version on the wiki |
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| 19:40:12 | saratoga | any idea where i can find a "mix12" font file in bdf format? |
| 19:40:19 | pixelma | I still don't like the font that they chose such a lightweight font |
| 19:40:34 | pixelma | weird sentence |
| 19:41:15 | Nico_P | I agree with you, and I think the gigabeat version's font is not only too thin but also too big |
| 19:41:24 | Nico_P | and there is too much information on the screen |
| 19:41:34 | saratoga | oh got it |
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| 19:41:38 | pixelma | what too much information? |
| 19:41:44 | * | amiconn is actually missing some information in that cabbie wps |
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| 19:42:01 | Nico_P | well actually what I find really out of place is the date and time |
| 19:42:12 | pixelma | IMO the only reason it was easily portable to other screens is that it doesn't show much information... |
| 19:42:41 | Nico_P | some people prefer simplistic WPS, that's also a matter of tatse |
| 19:42:45 | Nico_P | taste* |
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| 19:43:53 | Nico_P | the gigabeat version is the *only* one with the date and time (placed like that), and I think it needs to go elsewhere |
| 19:44:40 | crzyboyster | Hello! |
| 19:45:25 | crzyboyster | (wow that sounded dumb) |
| 19:46:09 | crzyboyster | I think that the unifont version can be done away with if needed. |
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| 19:46:35 | crzyboyster | As long as we put links for it on the "extras" page or somewhere else really obvious for users |
| 19:49:05 | Nico_P | GodEater: I probably already asked that, but do you use AA? |
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| 19:49:17 | saratoga | i wish we had more compact fonts, the mix12 alone is 800KB zipped |
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| 19:50:44 | saratoga | crzyboyster: I was just asking Nico about chaging the WPS parser to allow us to more easily include unifont |
| 19:51:15 | saratoga | he thinks its possible, but on the other hand i kind of like the idea of making it a seperate download because it will be rather large for most people to download, particularly if they don't need it |
| 19:51:24 | saratoga | though i don't know how good the coverage is in our other fonts |
| 19:52:19 | Nico_P | saratoga: rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/ |
| 19:52:32 | BigBambi | Nico_P: I think the cabbie2 gigabeat version uses too small a font :) |
| 19:52:45 | saratoga | Nico_P: I saw that but I'm not sure how many of those sets are important |
| 19:53:09 | Nico_P | BigBambi: seriously? I think it's far too high |
| 19:53:31 | BigBambi | I swapped it out for ter16b and much prefer it |
| 19:53:41 | BigBambi | Regardless of height it is definately too thin |
| 19:53:46 | Nico_P | indeed |
| 19:54:04 | BigBambi | But anyway, it is so much better than the current default lets just do it |
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| 19:54:28 | BigBambi | I doubt most people here would use it anyway, but as a default the current makes us look laughable |
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| 19:56:42 | pixelma | soap: regarding your forum question - I *think* it does |
| 19:57:00 | saratoga | i was kind of hoping at least 1 or 2 people would try out the changes |
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| 19:57:49 | pixelma | soap: just want to draw attention to it here too ;) |
| 19:58:06 | Ebert | is there a reset button for the Gigabeat? |
| 19:58:11 | markun | saratoga: the coverage in the 9+18x18 font is quite ok I think |
| 19:58:18 | markun | Ebert: only the battery switch |
| 19:58:23 | BigBambi | Ebert: There is a batery switch on the bottom |
| 19:58:27 | BigBambi | *battery |
| 19:58:37 | saratoga | markun: which of course the default theme doesn't want to use :( |
| 19:58:39 | Ebert | hm, well i just unplugged the battery, same thing |
| 19:58:46 | markun | saratoga: why not? |
| 19:58:54 | saratoga | they picked other fonts |
| 19:58:55 | crzyboyster | I'm back folks! I think that the cabbie default theme is great as it is and it would definetely be a better idea to make the unifont version a seperate download |
| 19:58:58 | saratoga | though you can change it |
| 19:59:00 | BigBambi | Ebert: It is much easier to use the external switch than open it and unplug it |
| 19:59:02 | Ebert | my Grandfather swiped the player off a table, and now the backlight doesn't work :( |
| 19:59:13 | Ebert | popped it open when it hit the floor |
| 19:59:17 | BigBambi | oops |
| 19:59:22 | crzyboyster | And another thing: When are viewports planned to be committed? |
| 19:59:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ebert: That may be something that unplugging the battery may not fix alone. |
| 19:59:32 | Ebert | anyone know which cable does backlighting? |
| 19:59:53 | Ebert | no, i know the cable's loose, i got it to come on at one point. it froze, so i had to turn it off |
| 19:59:59 | toffe82 | Ebert: on the top right under the screen |
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| 20:00:21 | Ebert | the big ribbon? |
| 20:00:21 | toffe82 | small flat cable with 3 or 4 contact |
| 20:00:30 | toffe82 | the small one |
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| 20:00:44 | toffe82 | on the left sorry :) |
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| 20:01:13 | Ebert | ah, ok |
| 20:01:14 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gives toffe82 some coffee to help cure the brain farts |
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| 20:01:40 | toffe82 | thank you ;) |
| 20:02:09 | toffe82 | Ebert: you have to lift the black part |
| 20:02:29 | saratoga | anyone looked at the patch to set a default theme recently? |
| 20:02:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | Cabbie 2.0 on my iPod video uses Helv10 for a font, but some Japanese katakana and kanji characters aren't displaying correctly in my tags. |
| 20:03:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Anybody have a good recommendation for a different font to use? (Which isn't Unifont :P) |
| 20:03:12 | crzyboyster | LambdaCalculus37: I think that the ipod video version should be using helvR12 |
| 20:03:32 | crzyboyster | *I think so atleast* |
| 20:03:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | crzyboyster: Oops... you're right. |
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| 20:04:29 | crzyboyster | Any idea when viewports will be committed? |
| 20:04:46 | crzyboyster | We can commit this version as is and then optimize it for viewports when its added |
| 20:04:57 | scorche|w | we dont give timelines... |
| 20:05:03 | saratoga | linuxstb: i'm looking at your patch for changeing the default wps but i don't really understand what it does |
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| 20:05:40 | crzyboyster | sigh... I know. Here's a better question: Is the viewports patch ready to commit and nearly finished? |
| 20:05:55 | saratoga | why does it need the default font hard coded? can't it read it out of the WPSLIST file like everything else does? |
| 20:06:09 | scorche|w | if it was ready to be committed, wouldnt it *be* committed? |
| 20:06:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Aren't parts of it already in SVN already? |
| 20:06:37 | crzyboyster | I was wondering about the WPS part of it... |
| 20:06:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | Why'd I type "already" twice? |
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| 20:07:46 | BigBambi | LambdaCalculus37: Because you are so keen? |
| 20:07:48 | crzyboyster | I don't know... :P |
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| 20:09:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigBambi: :P |
| 20:09:26 | JdGordon|w | saratoga: the settings doesnt have a single "theme" filename setting... so everything that needs to be set in the theme config needs to be hardcoded |
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| 20:10:02 | * | BigBambi goes to get more beer |
| 20:10:12 | BigBambi | Oops, that was meant for -community :) |
| 20:10:35 | JdGordon|w | great.. now your gonna send the chan off topic fior the next 2 hours! |
| 20:10:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Methinks BigBambi needs coffee for curing brain farts. :) |
| 20:11:19 | BigBambi | désolé |
| 20:11:34 | scorche|w | JdGordon|w: hrm?...beer is very on-topic |
| 20:11:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes... beer and coding go hand-in-hand. :) |
| 20:12:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | Who do I speak to about the NSF codec? |
| 20:13:09 | JdGordon|w | scorche|w: yeah, I was going to say tangent but off topic came out instead :p |
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| 20:14:26 | pixelma | saratoga: it would at least need to be included in the rockbox.zip I think |
| 20:15:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | There have been some strange behavior problems with the NSF codec as of late. |
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| 20:18:48 | Ebert | omg its impossible to get this ribbon back in! |
| 20:22:11 | bertrik | Ebert: if the connector has two parts, maybe you can slide one part past the other a few mm, then put back the ribbon and slide it back |
| 20:23:50 | amiconn | rockbeer... |
| 20:23:57 | BigBambi | mmmmmm |
| 20:24:13 | pixelma | beerbox ? ;) |
| 20:24:20 | BigBambi | beerbeer? |
| 20:24:22 | Ebert | nah bertrik, the connector is 1 little ribbon, connection is on the main pcboard |
| 20:24:40 | Ebert | any other hints? |
| 20:25:46 | bertrik | No, sorry. Don't try stuff like that when you had beer or coffee |
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| 20:26:11 | scorche|w | bag of beer? |
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| 20:28:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | Did someone say beer? ;) |
| 20:28:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | Mmmm.... beeeeer... |
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| 20:29:15 | * | scorche|w expects petur and preglow to come back with multiple highlights for "beer" |
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| 20:29:21 | * | petur had enough chimay for the night ;) |
| 20:29:40 | scorche|w | which color? |
| 20:29:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | I dare someone to make a Beer WPS for Rockbox. :) |
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| 20:30:02 | petur | scorche|w: the white one (tripel) |
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| 20:30:24 | scorche|w | ah...i never got a chance to try that one |
| 20:30:39 | * | LambdaCalculus37 prefers Red (Première) |
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| 20:33:57 | saratoga | are the builds on the site done with build zip or build fullzip? |
| 20:34:08 | toffe82 | Ebert: ydid you lift the black part ? |
| 20:34:38 | Ebert | oh, what do you mean toffe82 on the connector? |
| 20:34:43 | Ebert | where the ribbon goes? how do you lift it |
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| 20:35:25 | toffe82 | from the opposite side of the cable, you lift the black part with your nail or a small screw driver |
| 20:36:02 | amiconn | saratoga: zip, of course |
| 20:36:54 | saratoga | amiconn: where does the font come from then? |
| 20:36:59 | pixelma | fullzip includes the fonts |
| 20:37:00 | saratoga | the first time you install? |
| 20:37:01 | JdGordon|w | fontszip |
| 20:37:19 | pixelma | the default font is built in |
| 20:37:34 | saratoga | built in how? |
| 20:37:43 | amiconn | It's the system font |
| 20:37:58 | JdGordon|w | converted to c and compiled in |
| 20:38:15 | saratoga | oh |
| 20:39:00 | amiconn | saratoga: The system font is needed e.g. if there's nothing but the binary. How else could it display error messages? |
| 20:39:09 | saratoga | so when i commit cabbie, people shouldn't get fonts unless they run fullzip? |
| 20:39:32 | amiconn | We might need a mechanism to include *certain* fonts with 'make zip' |
| 20:39:59 | JdGordon|w | saratoga: your not plkaning on diong that just yet are you? |
| 20:40:10 | JdGordon|w | planning* |
| 20:40:14 | amiconn | That is, *if* we want to make a theme the default which doesn't use the system font |
| 20:41:48 | BigBambi | IMO, of course we do |
| 20:41:51 | saratoga | well i'd like to commit cabbie now, but no, i'm not ready to make it default |
| 20:42:07 | saratoga | i would like to get it into svn though so everyone can make sure its working right |
| 20:42:16 | saratoga | on various targets |
| 20:44:27 | JdGordon|w | ok |
| 20:44:38 | JdGordon|w | as long as its not made default _just yet_ |
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| 20:47:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: I'm for getting Cabbie commited. |
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| 20:49:40 | * | amiconn wouldn't like any graphical intensive wps to become the default with current svn wps code |
| 20:50:36 | amiconn | Choosing iCatcher (instead of rockbox_default) on my 2nd Gen adds 3 seconds to boot time, which already isn't that great |
| 20:50:45 | * | Nico_P remembers people telling him bmptar didn't speed up loading time |
| 20:50:49 | amiconn | (11.6 sec -> 14.6 sec) |
| 20:51:11 | BigBambi | amiconn: But a one time change would remove that for you, and a new default wps would look much better for everyone else |
| 20:51:20 | amiconn | Nico_P: No, but a bmp strip feature for related gfx probably would (volume, battery state, codecs...) |
| 20:51:30 | soap | amiconn, thank you for your quick reply to my forum question. I don't know if you saw my follow up or not - if not I can repeat it here. |
| 20:52:30 | saratoga | well should i change the build script to always copy the cabbie font ? |
| 20:52:39 | Nico_P | amiconn: I'm willing to review the patches, but Im' not convinced it would make much of a difference... there still is data to load from the disk, whereas with rockbox_default there is *none*. It's an unfair comparison |
| 20:52:52 | saratoga | could just add a string to the -f option with the font name and make it copy that over |
| 20:52:58 | amiconn | It would at the same time help saving disk space (not that important on hdd, but at least interesting on flash targets), and unzip time on various targets |
| 20:53:01 | Nico_P | amiconn: compare a WPS with two bitmaps with a graphical intensive one, and then I might be convinced |
| 20:53:55 | amiconn | Unzipping lots of small files onto target is a pita on Ondio, H10, and iPod Video (diskmode, not OF) at thea least |
| 20:54:11 | amiconn | Is there such a wps in svn? |
| 20:54:14 | saratoga | yes! |
| 20:54:18 | * | amiconn checks the available ones |
| 20:54:20 | Nico_P | that I agree with. but the load time argument doesn't stand IMHO |
| 20:54:23 | saratoga | i have working with all the tiny files in the themes |
| 20:54:37 | saratoga | it makes unzipping slow and my SFTP client always chokes on rockbox |
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| 20:55:38 | Nico_P | I liked the bmptar idea quite a lot. at the time it was deemed unnecessary because it brought no apparent speed gain |
| 20:55:53 | Nico_P | loading speed, that is |
| 20:56:54 | saratoga | so if we made cabbie the default theme, would the font be compiled into the rockbox source or would it just be loaded at run time? |
| 20:57:07 | * | linuxstb would also like to see a bitmap strip feature implemented |
| 20:57:29 | linuxstb | saratoga: It would be loaded at runtime |
| 20:57:30 | Nico_P | I agree with that too |
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| 20:58:37 | pixelma | soap: how do you tell that the disk was hit - looking at Febs' battery_bench.txt I don't see any large gaps |
| 20:58:39 | linuxstb | How many .bmps does cabbie use? |
| 20:58:39 | pixelma | ? |
| 20:59:06 | pixelma | linuxstb: not as much as iCatcher I think |
| 20:59:15 | * | amiconn found that he can test with an svn wps |
| 20:59:16 | Casainho | linuxstb: hello :-) - can you please tell me how do you do debug? |
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| 20:59:36 | amiconn | marquee has just 2 BMPs, zezayer even has just one |
| 20:59:36 | JdGordon|w | Nico_P: I have a patch on the tracker to replace the current icon code to be more flexible, I dont think it will take much work to get it to load any size icon strips to a buffer you choose.. if you want to play with it :D |
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| 21:00:28 | Nico_P | JdGordon|w: I'd like to. which task is it? |
| 21:00:41 | soap | pixelma, using the Measurements per Disk Activity number. |
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| 21:01:12 | soap | If the disk was being hit every time the battery voltage changed, shouldn't the M/DA number always be 1? |
| 21:01:18 | JdGordon|w | Nico_P: 8133 |
| 21:01:20 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I don't remember, has there been some kind of consensus about whether to use FS #7345 or FS #7289 as base? |
| 21:01:31 | linuxstb | Casainho: It depends what I'm writing. For very low-level things (which I assume you're interested in), I would just write info to the screen, often in a bootloader build. But I don't do that much low-level coding. For high-level code, the UI sim works well. For other code, I just try and get it right first time... |
| 21:01:36 | Nico_P | JdGordon|thanks |
| 21:01:38 | amiconn | Nico_P: marquee adds just 0.5 secs of load time, instead the 3 secs of iCatcher (which consists of ~50 BMPs) |
| 21:02:13 | Nico_P | amiconn: ok, now I'm convinced |
| 21:02:28 | amiconn | Results may vary depending on how scattered the bitmaps are on disk, but fragmentation *within* a file is not an issue with any of the involved files |
| 21:02:35 | Casainho | linuxstb: what about GNU Debuger? I saw a lot of information about it for ARMs.... |
| 21:02:49 | amiconn | (all involved files fit into a single cluster) |
| 21:02:50 | soap | Now I also want to know if cool_walking was using my build or his own. His patch v10 battery bench is here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14904.0;attach=2497 |
| 21:03:22 | * | amiconn tries some more themes |
| 21:03:27 | Casainho | linuxstb: okok, I assume that terminal, RS232 is ok then :-) |
| 21:03:30 | linuxstb | Casainho: I never use it. |
| 21:03:34 | Nico_P | amiconn: what kind of gain can we realistically expect from grouping bitmap files together? |
| 21:03:46 | soap | and on that one you can clearly see the battery_bench buffer is /only/ being written to disk every 33 minutes - the length you would expect from his buffer size and playlist bitrate |
| 21:04:48 | amiconn | Nico_P: Halving load time might be realistic, depending on how much the number of BMPs will be reduced |
| 21:04:56 | Casainho | linuxstb: okok, I think I understand now, for rockbox code as application, use UI sim and for low level drivers, etc, terminal or other things. Okok, thank yout!! :-) :-) |
| 21:05:22 | Casainho | linuxstb: I will write that on TWiki page, as a tools for debug :-) |
| 21:05:44 | Nico_P | amiconn: I think I'll try to sync the bmptar patch first. |
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| 21:06:13 | * | JdGordon|w isnt so sure how useful strip bmps will be for wps.... it forces all the bmps in the strip to be the same dimensions... could add up to a fair bit of wasted pixels |
| 21:06:38 | amiconn | JdGordon|w: Huh? why? |
| 21:06:57 | amiconn | The strip is meant for BMPs which have identical dimensions only... |
| 21:07:06 | asn | In credits.c there is an #include "credits.raw", that generates the list of names from docs/CREDITS. But how does it work? From what I see there is no credits.raw in the rockbox directory. |
| 21:07:14 | amiconn | I'm not talking about a single bmp for everything in the wps |
| 21:07:53 | amiconn | asn: credits.raw is created from docs/CREDITS at compile time, see the Makefile ... |
| 21:08:13 | JdGordon|w | yeah, I know... but as it is now, all the icons on the screen can be fit exactly to the size thats needed |
| 21:08:30 | JdGordon|w | with the strip you lose some flexibility if you want to use them |
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| 21:09:08 | pixelma | soap: ah hmm, the M/DA. No idea then... |
| 21:09:21 | amiconn | soap: What target was that? |
| 21:09:38 | soap | a fifth generation |
| 21:10:16 | amiconn | Then he just used an svn battery_bench |
| 21:10:46 | soap | Febs, is your battery bench from my build or from a personal build? |
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| 21:13:18 | pixelma | JdGordon|w: that's more of a rare case I'd think and I guess the way you can use bitmaps now won't be removed |
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| 21:15:21 | amiconn | Nico_P: Some more numbers that show that the results for iCatcher and marquee aren't a coincidence (load times in seconds [bmps]): zezayer 0.2 [1], DancePuffDuo 2.9 [48], Rockboxed 2.8 [23] |
| 21:15:46 | amiconn | That shows that load time increases with the number of bmp files, but not in a linear fashion |
| 21:15:50 | pixelma | btw. I have another question regarding bitmap loading - if I would use the same bitmap but at different position (like e.g. the LED theme that's in the wiki could do) I would need to give them all different "IDs" - but does the wps system really load the file multiple times? |
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| 21:17:07 | amiconn | The first files are the worst (but keep in mind that *all* wps'es apart from built-in always have one additional file to load - the .wps file itself |
| 21:17:24 | Nico_P | pixelma: yes, there is no check for duplicates |
| 21:18:00 | asn | amiconn: and what does the ut8seek function do? Where is it's code stored? |
| 21:18:30 | Nico_P | amiconn: yeah, that's why I expected a smaller difference between zezeyer and iCatcher |
| 21:18:40 | saratoga | should i make the build script copy all fonts used by installed themes, or just the one for cabbie? |
| 21:20:47 | Nico_P | I'd say all |
| 21:21:57 | amiconn | I'd say that as soon as we decide on an on-disk default theme, all other themes should only be part of 'fullzip' |
| 21:22:07 | amiconn | ...as well as the other fonts |
| 21:22:50 | asn | What does the ut8seek function do? Where is it's code stored? |
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| 21:26:38 | asn | hihi |
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| 21:30:43 | pixelma | Nico_P: I'd hope there could be a more clever solution one day - maybe having a(nother) tag to load the bitmap and specify the position in a(nother) display tag? |
| 21:31:34 | Nico_P | pixelma: isn't that basically what FS #7289 does? |
| 21:31:35 | pixelma | maybe that's what a bitmap strip would need anyway (?) |
| 21:32:09 | Nico_P | linuxstb: who needs grep when there is cscope/ctags? :) |
| 21:34:21 | pixelma | Nico_P: IIUC this patch does something else - you specify what part of the bitmap strip should be used. I only meant the case of multiple displaying of one (complete) bitmap at different positions in the WPS |
| 21:35:57 | linuxstb | Maybe now (prior to WPS viewports) is the time to rethink wps bitmap handling completely... |
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| 21:39:01 | soap | buschel - you see the thread (I'm sure). Sorry to F$%k your testers. |
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| 21:40:22 | Nico_P | linuxstb: what kind of changes do you have in mind? |
| 21:42:47 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I'm not sure... pixelma's suggestion of being able to reuse images is one. The current code also (IIUC) displays all images together after updating the text. Is that necessary? |
| 21:43:30 | Nico_P | with viewports it might not be |
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| 21:44:08 | linuxstb | That's what I mean. Plus of course, the idea of bitmap strips. |
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| 21:55:50 | Nico_P | linuxstb: in your current patch bitmaps are independant of viewports, aren't they? |
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| 21:56:23 | Febs | soap- |
| 21:56:24 | linuxstb | Yes. Although album-art seems to not be ;) |
| 21:56:47 | soap | yes Febs? |
| 21:56:55 | Febs | my battery bench is from my own personal build. The only difference from SVN was that I applied v12 of the power management patch. |
| 21:56:59 | Nico_P | does it make sense to bind a bitmap to a vp? |
| 21:57:15 | soap | crap - well, that settles that. Thanks Febs. |
| 21:59:16 | linuxstb | Nico_P: It's logical to, but I can't think of any practical reason to... |
| 21:59:54 | saratoga | rockbox doesn't seem to work with the .freedesktop.org bdf fonts |
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| 22:00:02 | saratoga | do i need to process them somehow before using them? |
| 22:00:34 | linuxstb | And I've just remembered something else I didn't like about bitmaps - a conditional which only displays bitmaps takes up a line of text (which is cleared when the bitmaps are displayed). |
| 22:00:39 | saratoga | right now the script just gives me an "error: EOF on file" message when trying to process them |
| 22:01:41 | Nico_P | linuxstb: yes, I should really solve that |
| 22:02:42 | Nico_P | the problem with bitmaps is that it's (currently) not possible to know whether they have been erased by a line or not |
| 22:02:43 | pixelma | you can specify different foreground/background colours for viewports? So there would be one reason to bind them to one viewport (thinking of mono bitmaps or the magic cyan colour), no? |
| 22:02:51 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I'm not sure if it's something to "fix", rather than redesign... |
| 22:03:34 | Nico_P | linuxstb: then it's not the bitmap handling that needs redesigning, but pretty much the whole wps rendering code |
| 22:03:43 | linuxstb | Yes ;) |
| 22:04:20 | linuxstb | Or maybe we just need to make bitmaps even more independent of text lines. |
| 22:05:01 | linuxstb | i.e. force the wps author to contrain all text to viewports, so text will never overwrite bitmaps. |
| 22:05:40 | Nico_P | isn't the asumption that bitmaps and viewports won't overlap a it far-fetched? |
| 22:06:35 | linuxstb | Do you have an example WPS where that assumption doesn't hold? |
| 22:08:52 | Nico_P | hmm I can't think of any example |
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| 22:11:14 | Nico_P | do you have a basic idea of how the rendering would work? |
| 22:11:45 | Nico_P | meh, I really need to look at the wps-vp patch before asking questions |
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| 22:14:58 | PaulJam | linuxstb: concerning images overlapping text: i sometimes use images (loaded with %x) as mask for text, would this still be possible? |
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| 22:16:34 | linuxstb | Why do you do that? (as opposed to using conditionals to display/not display text) ? |
| 22:18:19 | PaulJam | linuxstb: here is an example where i use this to make the peakmeter look a little bit nicer (the left screendump): http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8434/pjiceady4.gif |
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| 22:23:46 | linuxstb | PaulJam: I'm not understanding... |
| 22:29:04 | PaulJam | i though you said that it shouldn't be possible that images are shown wherea viewport is, but in the wps i put an image over the peakmeter (which behaves as far as i understand basically like text) so that only the parts where the image is pink the peakmeter shows through. |
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| 22:48:38 | linuxstb | PaulJam: OK, I understand now. So are you happy with how bitmaps are currently handled in Rockbox? |
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| 22:49:03 | linuxstb | I mean in the WPS... |
| 22:50:44 | PaulJam | i haven't had problems yet (except for the limited number). |
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| 23:13:06 | Nico_P | hmm the backdrop can't really be loaded from a tar file |
| 23:15:20 | Nico_P | amiconn: do you want to test loading the WPS bitmaps from a tar file? |
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| 23:18:59 | trans25 | wow..so many people |
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| 23:32:49 | jhMikeS | amiconn: here now |
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| 23:46:24 | Casainho | I worte some good information about RockboxPlayer: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPlayerV1 |
| 23:46:32 | Casainho | Bagder: are yo uthere? |
| 23:46:40 | Bagder | i am |
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| 23:48:04 | Casainho | Bagder: I remember you asking about other board, after the main dev board... you can see now the blocs diagram :-) - I also already defined how many wires will be connected fro main dev board to LCD module |
| 23:48:16 | Bagder | yeps, I noticed |
| 23:48:19 | Bagder | looks fine |
| 23:48:31 | Casainho | I also would like know how is USB code on RB? |
| 23:48:36 | Casainho | :-) |
| 23:49:19 | Casainho | it's very simple the hardware, will be just the first version - I also wrote the objectives for this 1 version... |
| 23:52:25 | Casainho | for USB code on RB, I mean a USB stack(I think) as in Sansa... |
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| 23:58:47 | Casainho | I will go to sleep :-) bye bye |
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