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| 00:02:14 | preglow | mok, obviously, not everything is the same in nano as in 5g... |
| 00:04:55 | Bagder | if you ever thought Rockbox's build system is hard to grasp, never ever try out uclinux... :-/ |
| 00:05:12 | * | Bagder waves fist |
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| 00:06:34 | preglow | rockbox's build system is simple... |
| 00:07:00 | linuxstb | Well, in theory ;) |
| 00:09:37 | * | preglow summons Buschel |
| 00:15:44 | advlaptop2019 | i have an e280r and i ran into something that never happened before.. when you have the sansa plugged while playing a song, then when you unplug the cable it causes the song to pause and the you have to hit play again |
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| 00:20:12 | nanok | advlaptop2019: strange, i have an e200 also (non-r), never happened to me either |
| 00:20:34 | nanok | buth i have a few days old build. are you running the current one? |
| 00:21:44 | advlaptop2019 | nanok, yep |
| 00:22:11 | nanok | hm. maybe some recent changes |
| 00:22:46 | nanok | but the main issue i think is that, at this point, there is litle reason to have the sansa plugged in while running rockbox anyway :( |
| 00:23:12 | nanok | litle if any.. |
| 00:24:11 | advlaptop2019 | nanok, i know but to charge it.. but anyway i tried it again and it does it again |
| 00:24:40 | nanok | well, in my experience charging doesn't work either |
| 00:24:48 | nanok | does it work for you? |
| 00:25:20 | advlaptop2019 | nanok, once in a while that is all |
| 00:25:25 | nanok | (if charging would work i would be very happy, i would have all the reasons to have it plugged in while running rockbox) |
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| 00:26:15 | nanok | i know it is *supposed* to work, but for some reason never worked for me |
| 00:26:30 | kugel | the sansa does charge |
| 00:26:47 | nanok | kugel: reliably? |
| 00:26:55 | nanok | i don't know, maybe i am doing something wrong |
| 00:27:01 | kugel | I went to a journey |
| 00:27:12 | kugel | I was moving in a train providing power supply |
| 00:27:36 | kugel | I started with an empty sansa, plugged the cable into the power source and watched some videos |
| 00:27:57 | kugel | my sansa was full after the jouney, and it's not empty yet |
| 00:28:14 | nanok | i'll be damned if i understand.. |
| 00:28:22 | nanok | i never did try a wall adapter though |
| 00:28:29 | kugel | however, the travelling in the train took me 6 1/2 hours each direction, so I can't tell you how fast it charges |
| 00:29:00 | nanok | only connection to pc (where the rockbox has to actually request for power, i think in the case of wall cargers it doesn't have to ask) |
| 00:29:51 | nanok | speed is not the question at this point. i left it overnight when testing this, so it had plenty of time |
| 00:30:13 | kugel | not sure about that |
| 00:30:24 | kugel | wasn't a PC power source, indeed |
| 00:30:26 | nanok | kugel: i think the main point here is that i was talking about pc (usb port) connection |
| 00:30:44 | kugel | however, rockbox asks for full power allready, so that shouldn't be an issue |
| 00:30:48 | nanok | i think with a wall/car charger it should work regardless |
| 00:31:00 | nanok | well, it should do that, yes |
| 00:31:04 | kugel | actually charging the battery is kinda different |
| 00:31:56 | kugel | but true, I allready heard that charging isn't working properly, even worse than before the stuff with full power requesting |
| 00:32:21 | nanok | you mean charging in general |
| 00:32:30 | nanok | hm.. |
| 00:32:40 | kugel | nanok: I meant, it asks for full power, so there shouldn't be any difference between PC power source and normal power source |
| 00:32:59 | nanok | kugel: i get it, yeah |
| 00:33:20 | nanok | but the wall charger might deliver more than 500mA |
| 00:33:42 | nanok | i am not sure if the sansa will use more though |
| 00:33:49 | kugel | nope |
| 00:33:53 | kugel | just took a look |
| 00:34:10 | nanok | other than that, should be no difference, *if* the power request actually works correctly |
| 00:34:23 | kugel | shouldn't give more actually, since it's a generic usb-to-power adapter |
| 00:35:01 | nanok | i've been meaning to check what it does on connect, but i need to find some usb sniffer for linux |
| 00:35:37 | nanok | i could also rig up some contraption with a multi metter to see what currnet actually passes through there once connected.. |
| 00:35:43 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: could your ata_init commit potentially have an effect on the skipping issues? |
| 00:40:25 | advlaptop2019 | kugel and nanok, this pausing with only power.. and without the data side enabled |
| 00:40:55 | kugel | advlaptop2019: can you reproduce it? |
| 00:41:36 | advlaptop2019 | kugel, yea with the latest rockbox build |
| 00:42:58 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: can't see how. it's only to fix an init bug and make sure the USB thread doesn't call in while something else is accessing the disk. |
| 00:43:52 | Nico_P | right. It's just that as it touched ata_init, I thought it might be somehow related |
| 00:45:05 | kugel | JdGordon|zzz: still sleeping? :/ |
| 00:46:33 | JdGordon|zzz | hehe no |
| 00:46:44 | JdGordon|zzz | apparently i forgot to remove that this morning :p |
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| 00:46:58 | kugel | hehe |
| 00:48:35 | kugel | JdGordon|yyy: sadly, I missed that you created a seperate entry for your list stuff (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8457) |
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| 00:49:01 | kugel | just noticed it today |
| 00:49:23 | kugel | Looks damn nice so far (beside the issues). Did you read my comment? |
| 00:49:34 | JdGordon|yyy | yeah, but forgot to reply |
| 00:49:41 | JdGordon|yyy | ill do that quiclly |
| 00:49:50 | obo | advlaptop2019: do you have car adapter mode enabled? |
| 00:50:02 | kugel | Btw, I don't really like the concept of the .vp file either |
| 00:50:07 | nanok | obo: good point :) |
| 00:51:28 | advlaptop2019 | obo, i will check |
| 00:53:13 | JdGordon|yyy | who knows where my beanie is? :'( |
| 00:54:19 | bignose | JdGordon|yyy: behind the couch |
| 00:54:37 | advlaptop2019 | obo, odd.. it was on before and never had that happen before.. with it turned off it works ok now |
| 00:55:39 | JdGordon|yyy | bignose: so close :) on the couch under my jumper |
| 00:55:42 | kugel | JdGordon|yyy: " .y = 8," ?? |
| 00:55:56 | JdGordon|yyy | statusbar |
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| 00:56:07 | kugel | well, assumed that |
| 00:56:39 | kugel | though, I imagine users having it turned off. I highly doubt the offset wanted then |
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| 00:57:36 | kugel | (besides that you could've used STATUSBAR_HEIGHT |
| 00:57:38 | kugel | ) |
| 00:58:27 | kugel | oh, he's gone |
| 00:58:32 | kugel | just noticed |
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| 01:13:06 | Nico_P | amiconn: here? |
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| 01:24:18 | Nudger | Anyone around? |
| 01:24:44 | Nudger | I'm trying to install Rockbox onto a iPod Video, and I'm just wondering if doing so with the automatic installation method will wipe the songs on it? |
| 01:33:28 | soap | it will not, Nudger |
| 01:33:33 | Nudger | Fantastic |
| 01:33:51 | soap | Assuming you mean Rockbox's RBUtil, and not some third-party POS. |
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| 01:36:02 | Nudger | I don't know what that means |
| 01:36:15 | Nudger | but I'm following the installation manual, I hope that's a good thing |
| 01:36:20 | soap | it is. |
| 01:37:15 | soap | Just making sure - we have lots (?) (enough) people crying "Rockbox F#$%ed my iPod!", only to find out later they were using some crazy autoinstall script from 11 months ago found on somebody's myspace page. |
| 01:37:57 | Nudger | oh heh ok |
| 01:38:14 | Nudger | so do i just use the Rbutil? |
| 01:38:47 | soap | sure - it works for most iPods & most people. If it doesn't work for you, the manual install isn't that hard at all. |
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| 01:39:13 | soap | This is a 5th or 5.5th gen iPod, though - not the new iPod Classic? |
| 01:39:24 | Nudger | It's a 60GB video |
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| 01:39:36 | Nudger | i'm confused, what am i downloading then |
| 01:40:02 | crzyboyster | I just finished the Hindi translation! http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8446 |
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| 01:42:16 | Nudger | i'm taking it rbutilqt-v1.0.2.zip is the most recent stable version? |
| 01:42:59 | crzyboyster | And does anyone know what happened to Mustapha Senhaji (DrMoos)? |
| 01:43:34 | crzyboyster | I'm asking because he said that he would commit the translation a while ago, but it hasn't happened yet... |
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| 01:46:37 | Nudger | what is "Unsupported Bootloader Install method." |
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| 01:57:33 | soap | what is that quote from? |
| 01:58:44 | soap | But I feel I can safely say, regardless of original context, that anything but the two methods mentioned explicitly in the manual would be an unsupported bootloader install method. |
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| 02:16:54 | Llorean | soap: That's a message RBUtil will give, I believe, under circumstances I'm completely unsure of. |
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| 02:29:29 | asn | Sorry for bothering you with my lame newbish C stuff, but I wonder something, since I'm not really familiar with code with more than 3 #includes :p Let's take for example credits.c, that source file uses the function utf8seek, and it includes plugin.h and helper.h. How can I find what utf8seek does? It's code is neither in plugin.h or helper.h |
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| 02:44:42 | ze | asn: its prototype would be in one of those .h files (or one they reference maybe?), its actual code would probably be in a coresponding .c file |
| 02:45:18 | ze | asn: at least thats usually how it works... also you can learn to use 'grep' |
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| 02:46:07 | asn | ze: thank you. |
| 02:55:38 | asn | ze: Alright found it. The code was in firmware/common/unicode.c . Is there a reason on why utf8seek returns "pos" twice? |
| 02:56:07 | asn | let me pastebin it for you |
| 02:56:27 | asn | Oops, it _doesnt_ return pos twice |
| 02:56:41 | asn | Sorry, tired eyes |
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| 04:16:34 | JavaMan22 | is rockbox able to run on 1.2.3? |
| 04:16:42 | JavaMan22 | ipod video 5.5g |
| 04:16:59 | JavaMan22 | just wondering before i hit the update button |
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| 04:52:02 | magenpie | can someone remind me why i can't see the tracks the sansa comes with? |
| 04:52:35 | magenpie | the MUSIC folder appears to be empty |
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| 05:13:19 | Llorean | magenpie: Because they're hidden in the MTP directory structure, not the normal music folder |
| 05:15:23 | magenpie | i haven't put rb on it yet...how can i delete those tracks? |
| 05:16:13 | magenpie | i think i knew this (this is my 4th sansa) but i can't remember |
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| 06:04:52 | Tyreses | does anyone know if the sansa e260 is being worked on for the V2? |
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| 08:51:26 | bluefoxx | hey |
| 08:51:43 | bluefoxx | is the e200v2 supported yet? |
| 08:51:49 | Llorean | No |
| 08:51:50 | scorche | it is not |
| 08:51:54 | Llorean | That's why it's still not listed on the front page. |
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| 08:54:15 | bluefoxx | ok thanks, that rather sucks as i traded in my sister's clip for a e260 so she could have rockbox and seem smarter[lol] |
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| 09:35:55 | Casainho | good morning Rockbox people! :-) |
| 09:36:35 | Casainho | I am here to ask if there is any hardware wich RB work, that have a LCD of 128x128.... |
| 09:38:18 | scorche | the iriver H10 5GB devices do |
| 09:38:54 | Casainho | scorche: and is a bw or color LCD? :-) |
| 09:39:04 | scorche | color |
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| 09:40:38 | * | pixelma recommends the DeviceChart in the wiki for further reference ;) |
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| 09:40:54 | * | scorche actually used the list on http://rockbox-themes.org/ |
| 09:41:30 | scorche | but yes... DeviceChart is very handy |
| 09:43:16 | Casainho | thank you - I saw now on device chart :-) |
| 09:43:26 | Casainho | IriverH10Port uses a 128x128 color LCD :-) |
| 09:43:43 | scorche | no...just the 5GB model does |
| 09:43:48 | Casainho | thats importante because we are trying to use a nokia 128x128 color LCD |
| 09:44:30 | Casainho | well, is there any link for the 5GB model on TWiki? |
| 09:44:49 | scorche | what sort of link? |
| 09:45:53 | linuxstb | The page you mentioned (IriverH10Port) has links to the other H10 pages. |
| 09:45:59 | Casainho | well, I just have a link for the IriverH10Port... and not for the 5GB |
| 09:46:38 | linuxstb | I doubt there is a page specific to the 5GB version - IIUC, the only difference between the two H10s is the LCD size. |
| 09:47:48 | pixelma | and the HD size ;) (and the physical size is a bit different because of it) |
| 09:47:59 | Casainho | ah, okok - so I will link to that page and say that the 5GB version have a 128x128 LCD :-) |
| 09:48:29 | pixelma | but I couldn't find a specific site for the small one too |
| 09:48:48 | pixelma | s/site/page |
| 09:49:11 | Casainho | since we will use a nokia LCD of 128x128 color, I think that we will be able to use the drivers, code of that from IriverH10 5GB version :-) |
| 09:49:56 | pixelma | same lcd size doesn't mean it can use the same drivers |
| 09:50:03 | pixelma | necessarily |
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| 09:50:44 | Casainho | pixelma: well, I know that there is specific drivers, for hardware |
| 09:51:36 | Casainho | we will link the LCD from MCU by Two Wires Interface - TWI and we have all information to initialize the LCD, etc... |
| 09:52:37 | Casainho | but I think there should be some code, after that, that will draw lines, etc... and that code (also drivers??) is specific for a color LCD, of xx X xx pixels, no? |
| 09:52:44 | linuxstb | Casainho: The size of the LCD isn't important, it's the format it stores the pixel data in. So far, all our colour LCD targets are using the same high-level framebuffer drawing code because the format is the same (or very similar). |
| 09:53:03 | linuxstb | LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT are simply #defines. |
| 09:53:20 | scorche | and then there is the av300.. |
| 09:53:39 | Casainho | nice, so should be even easier, I think :-) |
| 09:54:51 | Casainho | linuxstb: what is the format that it stores pixel data? - how can I identify that at looking for datahseet of the LCD? :-) |
| 09:55:44 | linuxstb | Each pixel is stored in two adjacent bytes, in RGB565 format, moving horizontally from the top-left to bottom right. |
| 09:56:22 | linuxstb | Some devices require that in little-endian format, others in big-endian, but that's handled with macros. |
| 09:57:25 | linuxstb | But I think that's more or less standard for colour LCDs, or at least all the ones in Rockbox devices so far. |
| 09:59:15 | linuxstb | You may want to consider mono or greyscale LCDs though - they have the advantage of being much easier to read without backlight. |
| 09:59:27 | linuxstb | Some colour LCDs can't be read at all without backlight. |
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| 10:00:48 | Casainho | linuxstb: well, I think we will be able to control the amount of the bakclight - we will design our hardware :-9 ;-) |
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| 10:01:15 | scorche | that isnt quite the point.. |
| 10:02:40 | Casainho | so what is the point? :-) - look at one image of the LCD wrking here: http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorial/Nokia%206100%20LCD%20Display%20Driver.pdf |
| 10:04:45 | linuxstb | The point is that any backlight uses power, and it's nice if an LCD can be read without it. |
| 10:04:54 | scorche | one of the points is that in many cases, backlight is a waste of energy, when you would normally be able to see just fine without backlight on a manachome/greyscale device |
| 10:05:16 | scorche | bah...beaten |
| 10:05:23 | Casainho | ah, okok, I understand now |
| 10:05:35 | linuxstb | But of course a colour LCD is prettier... |
| 10:06:04 | scorche | think of "manachome" as a more magical version of "monochrome" |
| 10:06:07 | Casainho | It would be niceIf we will have some control of amount of energy is used on backlight, like controling by PWM |
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| 10:06:45 | Casainho | well, this nokia LCD is very cheap :-) - I think that is more cheap that one of bw |
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| 12:46:26 | Buschel | preglow: you called for me? here i am :) |
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| 12:52:45 | preglow | Buschel: hi! :) |
| 12:52:52 | preglow | Buschel: where did you get the ipod video values from? |
| 12:53:07 | Buschel | preglow: hi! from own tests. |
| 12:53:10 | preglow | Buschel: i just tested them on my nano, and almost all of them make the build buggy, primarily display issues |
| 12:53:32 | preglow | Buschel: and nano and 5g hardware is alike :/ |
| 12:53:40 | Buschel | preglow: did you simplay use the same config? |
| 12:53:40 | preglow | Buschel: ahh, so you didn't do any disassembling to see? |
| 12:53:43 | preglow | Buschel: yes |
| 12:54:02 | Buschel | you should start with DEV_EN first and keep the rest untouched |
| 12:54:24 | Buschel | preglow: no disassembly, just plain rebuilds |
| 12:55:12 | preglow | hmm |
| 12:55:13 | preglow | yea |
| 12:55:23 | preglow | perhaps i will do that, but not today :) |
| 12:55:42 | Buschel | preglow: e.g. I would assume you need to enable 0x4000 (DEV_ATA) and 0x04000000 (DEV_LCD) for the nano |
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| 12:58:15 | preglow | and not for 5g? :) |
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| 12:59:04 | Buschel | preglow: no. DEV_LCD seems to be used for the internal LCD-bridge, 5G has the Broadcom chip. IDE0 is used, no ATA |
| 12:59:39 | Buschel | maybe some other of the bits are also connected to LCD stuff? |
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| 13:01:11 | preglow | Buschel: well, the lcd did indeed fail :-) |
| 13:01:20 | preglow | i'll try again now with lcd |
| 13:01:40 | Buschel | preglow: I expected this :o) Maybe should have written a note... (*evil grin*) |
| 13:02:14 | preglow | Buschel: those need to be set DEV_EN ? |
| 13:02:19 | preglow | in |
| 13:02:24 | Buschel | yes |
| 13:02:55 | preglow | well, let's see |
| 13:03:36 | Buschel | btw, DEV_EN -> 0x100 seems to enable the GPIOs somehow. When unsetting this bit the bacxklight control does not work and there is no change in the GPIO_INPUT_VALs −− no matter what you do... |
| 13:03:46 | Buschel | *backlight |
| 13:04:05 | preglow | there's something weird happening on the screen when it boots now |
| 13:04:20 | preglow | then it seems to hang |
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| 13:05:48 | Buschel | hmm, you're now setting DEV_EN = xc6004124 ? |
| 13:05:50 | preglow | Buschel: do you think the DEV_RS lines are harmless no matter what i do above that code? |
| 13:06:00 | Buschel | preglow: remove them |
| 13:06:10 | preglow | Buschel: 0xc6004124, yes |
| 13:07:16 | preglow | same result without them |
| 13:07:17 | preglow | brb |
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| 13:08:00 | Buschel | preglow: what's the value of DEV_EN with the unchanged patch and the ipod being idle and not connected via USB? |
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| 13:20:01 | preglow | checking now |
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| 13:21:16 | preglow | 0xc2811977 |
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| 13:28:50 | Buschel | preglow: and with this config everything works fine? |
| 13:29:30 | preglow | yeah |
| 13:29:35 | preglow | like hell, done a runtime test and all |
| 13:31:29 | Buschel | hmm, try to unset 0x00800000, 0x10 and 0x1 (three builds) |
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| 13:37:55 | preglow | Buschel: seems to work |
| 13:38:24 | Buschel | all three? |
| 13:38:29 | preglow | yeap |
| 13:39:28 | Buschel | hmm, then setting DEV_EN = 0xc2000124 for nano at startup is identical. |
| 13:39:48 | Buschel | which is same as 5G |
| 13:41:39 | Buschel | what are the values for DEV_EN2 and DEV_EN3 when the ipod is idle? |
| 13:44:39 | preglow | 0x2000 for en2 |
| 13:44:46 | preglow | 0x0007003f for en3 |
| 13:46:34 | Buschel | what happens if you unset DEV_EN2 0x2000? or EN3 0x70000? |
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| 13:50:50 | preglow | will try |
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| 13:54:55 | Buschel | preglow: http://pastebin.com/d3cb4f13d -> for nano instead of using the whole initialization of GPO32/DEV_INITs/DEV_RSs |
| 13:55:26 | Buschel | maybe the DEV_INITs or GPO-changes produce the problems? |
| 13:56:08 | rasher | moos: a lot of missed strings in Hindi: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/problems.php?lang=hindi |
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| 13:59:35 | moos | rasher: let's Apoo update it, that's just the initial version, updates will come |
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| 14:00:04 | rasher | moos: Those are not missing strings though, just strings left untouched, so they won't be caught by genlang |
| 14:00:26 | moos | yup english ones you mean? |
| 14:00:34 | rasher | It would probably make sense to include a link to that page when closing a language-related task |
| 14:01:06 | rasher | moos: I mean genlang won't mark them with ###, so he'll have to find them himself (or look at my page..) |
| 14:02:14 | preglow | Buschel: ok, dev2 needs to be there |
| 14:02:26 | moos | rasher: I pointed him to your page in a mail answered |
| 14:03:06 | Buschel | preglow: what happens, if unset? |
| 14:03:32 | rasher | moos: Sounds good |
| 14:05:20 | preglow | Buschel: apple logo remains on the screen |
| 14:05:46 | Buschel | preglow: frozen or no display update? |
| 14:06:35 | preglow | CACHE_PRIO line works |
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| 14:07:26 | preglow | Buschel: it reacts to key presses, so no update, i guess |
| 14:07:31 | preglow | backlight comes on when i press stuff |
| 14:07:39 | preglow | and music plays fine |
| 14:07:46 | Buschel | preglow: ok, so this is LCD-enable for nano :) |
| 14:07:55 | Buschel | or something similar |
| 14:08:12 | preglow | well, yes :-) |
| 14:08:25 | preglow | any obvious candidates i can disable in en3? |
| 14:08:31 | preglow | and btw, why do you call it CACHE_PRIORITY? |
| 14:09:27 | Buschel | this is what the register is called right now −− amiconn assumes this as DEV_EN3... |
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| 14:10:40 | Buschel | preglow: all other bits in DEV_EN3 must be set for 5G, otherwise it doesn't start |
| 14:11:20 | preglow | hmm |
| 14:11:27 | preglow | the _INIT ones i can leave in |
| 14:11:29 | preglow | what do they do? |
| 14:12:12 | Buschel | INIT1 is something like BUTTON_ENABLE (otherwise detection of hold doesn't work), INIT2 is the PLL-enable for the clock |
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| 14:13:32 | preglow | hmm |
| 14:13:38 | preglow | INIT1 messed up my lcd just like DEV2 did |
| 14:13:43 | Buschel | preglow: can you disable DEV_EN 0x80000000, 0x40000000, or 0x20 without any problems? |
| 14:14:19 | Buschel | what are the defaults for INIT1 and INIT2 (you'll need to add them to the IO-port debug screen)? |
| 14:14:51 | preglow | i can definitely not disable 0x80000000 |
| 14:14:55 | preglow | then backlight never comes on |
| 14:17:38 | preglow | ditto 0x40000000 |
| 14:18:15 | * | Buschel just adds these results to the PP-register wiki-page |
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| 14:19:25 | preglow | hmm |
| 14:19:31 | preglow | when i disable 0x20 the logo shows |
| 14:19:32 | preglow | but then it hangs |
| 14:19:42 | preglow | backlight never turns full intensity |
| 14:19:46 | Buschel | same as 5G |
| 14:21:50 | preglow | init1 and init2 are 0xa804000000 and 0x0 |
| 14:22:21 | Buschel | in an unpatched build? |
| 14:22:52 | preglow | yeah |
| 14:22:58 | preglow | eh, no, not unpatched |
| 14:23:07 | preglow | but with your default patch, no nano mods |
| 14:23:33 | Buschel | ok |
| 14:24:14 | Buschel | what exactly was the value of DEV_INIT1? there are too many "0"s... |
| 14:24:38 | preglow | haha |
| 14:24:41 | preglow | 0xa8040000 |
| 14:24:51 | preglow | weird |
| 14:24:59 | preglow | when i set init2 to 0x0 explicitely, the build hangs |
| 14:25:26 | Buschel | yep, as INIT2 needs PLL at startup |
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| 14:26:16 | preglow | weird, DEV_EN in the debug screen does not end up as what i set it to |
| 14:26:23 | Buschel | INIT1 0x40000 is needed for buttons the other 0xa800000-bits should be disabled step by step to see what's going on and which is needed for LCD |
| 14:26:24 | preglow | perhaps rockbox code touches it, then |
| 14:26:44 | Buschel | preglow: my patch does (freq scaling) |
| 14:27:12 | Buschel | + USB + I2S + I2C |
| 14:27:16 | preglow | roit |
| 14:27:30 | preglow | why is usb enabled? i thought part of the point of the patch was to disable that |
| 14:27:47 | Buschel | yep, it s enabled on demand |
| 14:28:47 | preglow | bit 0x20000000 in init1 is needed for lcd |
| 14:29:32 | preglow | removing bit 0x08000000 also has the same effect |
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| 14:30:24 | preglow | fiddling with any of those three bits has the same result, lcd stops updating |
| 14:30:27 | preglow | otherwise responsive |
| 14:30:45 | preglow | btw, why don't i need that DEV_RS step? |
| 14:31:38 | Buschel | you can re-add this but maybe you should change the DEV_RS2 to not reset the 0x2000? depends on your experience with such change |
| 14:32:40 | preglow | what happens without those lines on 4g? |
| 14:32:42 | preglow | 5g <- |
| 14:34:01 | Buschel | nothing different, just wanted to ensure the devices are resetted nicely |
| 14:34:22 | Buschel | i could not measure any difference after the runtime tests |
| 14:34:42 | preglow | well, shit, not resetting 0x2000 in RS2 makes it boot |
| 14:34:46 | preglow | with that in place, it does not boot |
| 14:35:00 | preglow | what is that device? |
| 14:35:39 | Buschel | this was connected to your LCD |
| 14:36:08 | Buschel | maybe the LCD-initialization endlessly loops then −− same happens when not enabling USB for initialization |
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| 14:36:30 | preglow | but ok, perhaps it's time for another runtime test? :-) |
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| 14:37:15 | preglow | my gpo32 is 0x50000000 |
| 14:37:22 | preglow | perhaps i should try to flick some bits there as well |
| 14:38:08 | Buschel | 0x4000000 is used for HDD power off in 5G |
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| 14:38:33 | preglow | hmm |
| 14:38:36 | preglow | seems to be some lcd stuff here |
| 14:38:39 | preglow | screen just blanked out |
| 14:38:43 | preglow | went totally white |
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| 14:38:53 | preglow | music still plays |
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| 14:39:24 | Buschel | seems like a lot of bits are connected to display somehow (on a nano) |
| 14:39:30 | preglow | oh, sorry about that |
| 14:39:34 | preglow | 0x10000000 seems to be display |
| 14:39:47 | preglow | when i disable 0x40000000, i get ata error: -11 on start |
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| 14:41:01 | Buschel | same as 5G. does this one power off the controller on a nano? |
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| 14:43:07 | Buschel | maybe you should activate the HAVE_ATA_POWER_OFF and use the implementation for the power-off from ipod video? -> see power-ipod.c |
| 14:43:44 | Buschel | might be worth an additional runtime check... |
| 14:44:31 | preglow | i don't think it's needed on nano, the flash chip self-sleeps after very short time |
| 14:44:38 | preglow | but sleep != power off, i guess |
| 14:46:44 | preglow | trying with poweroff now |
| 14:46:53 | preglow | if that works, i'll do a new runtime test |
| 14:47:05 | preglow | last time i got 8:40, btw, with your unmodified path, retailos gets 11:40 |
| 14:47:22 | preglow | my battery is kinda worn... |
| 14:48:49 | preglow | ata doesn't wake up |
| 14:49:10 | preglow | ipod nano ata is troublesome... |
| 14:49:25 | stripwax | preglow - i wonder if there were retailos updates that reduce power usage for nano - apple advertise 14hrs (or did you used to get 14hrs on retailos and now just 11:40?) |
| 14:49:39 | Buschel | preglow: is this the config for nano as you've tested it? -> http://pastebin.com/m3603ec3f |
| 14:50:17 | preglow | stripwax: i don't know what i used to get, but it's old and used |
| 14:50:30 | * | stripwax wonders how people can rebuild and retest in under five mins |
| 14:50:43 | stripwax | must get a new PC at some point |
| 14:50:46 | stripwax | preglow - fair enough |
| 14:51:06 | preglow | rebuild and retest is a thirty second operation |
| 14:51:48 | preglow | arg, the automounter just shat its pants |
| 14:52:00 | stripwax | wow - really? although I guess you only need to build (and copy to the device) rockbox.ipod and none of the plugins |
| 14:52:42 | preglow | make && cp rockbox.ipod /media/NANO/.rockbox && eject /media/NANO takes about ten seconds |
| 14:52:53 | preglow | assuming only a couple of files get rebuilt, of course |
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| 14:53:25 | stripwax | yeh - I guess I'm conditioned to doing make && make zip && unzip .. |
| 14:53:49 | preglow | Buschel: no, GPO32_VAL = 0x50000000, not _ENABLE |
| 14:53:53 | preglow | Buschel: i don't touch enable |
| 14:54:14 | Buschel | ok |
| 14:54:32 | preglow | Buschel: and INIT1 misses the 0x40000 you said were for clickwheel |
| 14:54:59 | Buschel | this is enabled in the clickwheel driver |
| 14:55:00 | preglow | Buschel: apart from that, yes |
| 14:55:04 | preglow | Buschel: ah, ok |
| 14:55:07 | Buschel | -> http://pastebin.com/m7760e53b |
| 14:57:46 | preglow | hd power stuff works badly |
| 14:58:20 | preglow | Buschel: that's right, yes |
| 14:59:46 | Buschel | preglow: I'll add this for the next version of the patch. And I am interested in your results :o) |
| 14:59:56 | preglow | charging now, will do a test when i get back |
| 14:59:59 | preglow | need to go now |
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| 15:00:02 | preglow | thanks for your help :) |
| 15:00:12 | Buschel | preglow: thanks for _your_ help! :) |
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| 15:23:14 | rasher | Shouldn't util/ be included in the tarballs? |
| 15:23:22 | rasher | utils/ |
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| 15:41:32 | jac0b | on the viewports patch can you do multifonts |
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| 15:46:05 | jac0b | does anyone know if you can use multiple font with viewports? |
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| 15:49:57 | JETC- | You can |
| 15:50:18 | JETC- | Although you need some modification with the viewports list |
| 15:51:25 | jac0b | so itn't default |
| 15:51:37 | jac0b | isn't* |
| 15:51:45 | JETC- | Regular viewports without viewports list is fine |
| 15:51:56 | JETC- | viewports list replaced custom list |
| 15:52:05 | jac0b | ? |
| 15:52:11 | JETC- | But that patch has a lot of compile errors |
| 15:52:45 | JETC- | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4733 |
| 15:52:58 | jac0b | so I would have to add the viewports_list patch to add multifont functionality |
| 15:53:01 | JETC- | Here...read the the last 5-10 comment |
| 15:53:16 | JETC- | multifont-20080108a.patch |
| 15:53:22 | JETC- | Add that patch without the viewports list |
| 15:53:34 | JETC- | If you don't want to fiddle with more code |
| 15:53:56 | JETC- | Just make sure you add this viewports-wps-v1.diff |
| 15:55:05 | jac0b | so if you want viewports with multifont add the 2 above patches? |
| 15:56:45 | JETC- | Yeah |
| 15:56:52 | JETC- | Things should work properly |
| 15:56:57 | JETC- | Add viewports first I think |
| 15:57:13 | JETC- | You don't get to play with custom list tho |
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| 15:57:34 | jac0b | I think I will just add the multifont patch o viewports |
| 15:57:38 | jac0b | no* |
| 15:58:12 | JETC- | Ok, as you wish. It's your build ;d |
| 15:58:22 | JETC- | But just telling you it works and stuff. |
| 15:58:41 | JETC- | Someone already updated a theme to work with viewports |
| 15:58:47 | JETC- | So I'm happy about that |
| 15:59:05 | JETC- | Now, if bmp resize patch could be sync'ed :3 |
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| 16:00:18 | stripwax | JETC- for albumart you mean? |
| 16:00:34 | stripwax | I didn't think bmp resize was needed any more |
| 16:00:52 | jac0b | I use the port bmp patch |
| 16:01:27 | jac0b | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8308 |
| 16:01:40 | stripwax | Nico_P / anyone - any feedback on the sliding_puzzle patch? .. |
| 16:01:50 | stripwax | or pacbox on cop for that matter :) |
| 16:02:08 | JETC- | Well, it's nice since it's a pain to resize ;d |
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| 16:02:28 | JETC- | Unless bmp resize is already implemented into the svn O_o |
| 16:02:34 | stripwax | JETC- hm, I thought albumart does resize in svn now .. |
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| 16:03:11 | stripwax | perhaps it doesn't. which is odd, given that bmp resizing is in svn. |
| 16:03:43 | JETC- | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt#No_resizing |
| 16:03:50 | JETC- | Unless they haven't updated the wiki |
| 16:05:07 | stripwax | No, you're right, and I'm wrong: bmpresize isn't in the *core*, which albumart is. the bmp resizing in svn is in pluginlib only, so only plugins can use it right now |
| 16:05:28 | soap | and does it not only do factors of 2? Or is that the jpeg resizing? |
| 16:05:43 | stripwax | jac0b - does that resize within albumart? |
| 16:05:59 | stripwax | soap - that's jpeg |
| 16:06:07 | jac0b | no its bmp |
| 16:06:08 | JETC- | I hear that patch doesn't do resizing on wps |
| 16:06:21 | jac0b | nope it doesn't do resizing |
| 16:06:25 | stripwax | soap - my sliding_puzzle patch uses the bmp resizing in svn |
| 16:06:33 | stripwax | jac0b - hm, what do you use it for? |
| 16:07:10 | jac0b | doesn't the albumart display the default pic size |
| 16:07:27 | stripwax | jac0b - by 'it' I mean that imlib2 port patch you just posted the link for |
| 16:07:54 | jac0b | I thought it resizes the pic |
| 16:08:09 | stripwax | jac0b - I thought you just said it doesn't do resizing? <confused> |
| 16:08:38 | jac0b | <confused myself> |
| 16:09:08 | jac0b | say your pic is 300x300 would albumart display the pic on your wps as 300x300 |
| 16:09:21 | stripwax | so anyway, that patch replaces the simple_resize algorithm with a smoothly interpolating one. plugins would be able to use this to resize bitmaps smoothly. and wps doesn't do resizing yet. |
| 16:09:35 | stripwax | jac0b - so when you say you "use" this patch, what do you use it for? |
| 16:10:04 | jac0b | that is what I am trying to figure out I thought it did resize the picture |
| 16:10:15 | jac0b | just not to your specs |
| 16:10:57 | jac0b | my question is does album display the actual size of the pic or does it shrink it |
| 16:11:03 | stripwax | jac0b - the patch adds a new function that lets new code resize bitmaps. nothing (afaik) is using that new function yet - not wps - not anything |
| 16:11:21 | rasher | Nico_P: how about looking for albumart in .rockbox/albumart/ (or somewhere other fixed location)? |
| 16:12:09 | stripwax | jac0b - if you "use" this patch, albumart is going to be unaffected. so I'm interested to know what you "use" it for (when you say you are using it currently) |
| 16:12:32 | jac0b | no I guess I am not using it then |
| 16:12:39 | stripwax | oh ok |
| 16:12:45 | jac0b | <removing from build |
| 16:13:17 | jac0b | also I am getting hunk errors on the multifont patch |
| 16:14:21 | jac0b | apps/gui/gwps-common.c & apps/gui/wps_parser.c |
| 16:14:22 | stripwax | Nico_P - was the plan to put the linear interpolating resize code in core? Istr that the simple_resize wasn't moved into core as it wasn't good enough |
| 16:16:43 | stripwax | visually, that is, not implementation :) |
| 16:18:20 | jac0b | I found the gwps-common.c error looking for the wps_parser error |
| 16:18:24 | JETC- | jac0b: try applying the viewports patch |
| 16:20:18 | jac0b | I will try later got to take my cat to the vet |
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| 17:04:50 | Casainho | hello rockbox people :-) |
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| 17:06:06 | Casainho | I am here to ask if there is a possible to fetch code to ARM from USB directly - I am reading this at a datasheet of an ARM9 "If no valid ARM vector sequence is found, SAM-BA Boot is then executed. It waits for transactions either on the USB device, or on the DBGU serial port." |
| 17:07:12 | Casainho | anyone here have experience with this kind of boot load? |
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| 17:31:35 | soap | Buschel_, with the new patch - you looking to see if it works - or if it changes power consumption? |
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| 17:54:59 | crzyboyster | I just checked out Hindi on rockbox and it's working well |
| 17:55:14 | crzyboyster | It does have a lot of missing strings and I'll add them |
| 17:55:50 | rasher | crzyboyster: is the font rendering fine? Have you checked my page which hilights which ids need attention? |
| 17:56:22 | crzyboyster | Quick question though: I used unifont, but a lot of letters didn't turn out good (some important letters are missing) and I was wondering whether it was possible to port this font to the fnt format > http://www.sanskritweb.org/cakram/ |
| 17:59:07 | rasher | I believe there's a utility to convert ttf into bdf (the source format Rockbox uses for fonts) |
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| 18:00:12 | crzyboyster | Another thing, I know I left the strings I didn't translate in English, but what should I have done to them? |
| 18:00:47 | rasher | crzyboyster: you could have deleted the entire phrase (from <phrase> to </phrase>). That way, they'd be inserted the next time you ran genlang |
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| 18:00:59 | rasher | With comments telling you to translate it |
| 18:01:23 | rasher | or I think you could have added a comment with a single #-sign. I believe genlang leaves those alone |
| 18:01:37 | rasher | But it's no big deal, really |
| 18:01:55 | crzyboyster | So should I do an update with that done? I will check out other lang files and see how it's done... |
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| 18:04:37 | crzyboyster | So instead of having ""Host" let's say it should be "#" in the dest tag? |
| 18:05:15 | rasher | no, just add an extra line somewhere saying #this phrase needs translation |
| 18:05:29 | rasher | But you don't have to - other languages don't do that (hence the need for my page) |
| 18:05:59 | crzyboyster | I don't really understand, but is there any font designer/developer that would like to to convert that font? |
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| 18:08:33 | rasher | Odd, unifont has 95% coverage of devanagari. Wonder why they didn't spring for the last 5% |
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| 18:23:10 | Buschel_ | soap: of course both. it should be tested for side effects and for power consumption −− you'll never know what the PP makes of it ;) |
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| 18:25:25 | PaulPosition | Buschel_ - Hey Andree.. While I don't understand much in the "testing minimum startup config" stuff, I do wonder whether there's still a use in trying the 'H10-test-01.patch' file you posted two days ago (the '...-02.patch' one having already been tested, I think, by Sascha) |
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| 18:25:51 | PaulPosition | ...or if you progressed way beyond that anyway... |
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| 18:32:10 | rasher | Nico_P: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8478 −− Look for albumart in .rockbox/albumart/ |
| 18:32:28 | Nico_P | rasher: nice :) |
| 18:32:46 | Nico_P | I was just going to say it's a good idea in reply to your previous comment |
| 18:33:06 | Nico_P | it was already on my (too lon) todo list |
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| 18:33:48 | rasher | Yeah, I intended it to just ask you whether you still wanted to do it, but then figured I might as well give it a shot myself |
| 18:34:11 | nanok | i just had a stupid idea: what if we added the ability to use some more generic album art, like for music genree (now that we have that directory), like one for rock, one for jaxx, and so on |
| 18:34:43 | rasher | Or one for the artist. |
| 18:34:53 | soap | or one for the day of the week. |
| 18:34:58 | nanok | like, if there is no album art for the particulr song/album, use a generic one.. |
| 18:35:18 | rasher | I've actually had artist pics in ../cover.bmp, and it feels fairly natural when they come up |
| 18:35:24 | soap | nanok, you already can do this based on the hierarchy of places Rockbox looks for album art. |
| 18:35:36 | Nico_P | heh, it could even be configurable with a text file |
| 18:35:50 | rasher | eh |
| 18:35:53 | soap | simply place your generic cover.bmp in the parent directory of the album directory. |
| 18:36:08 | nanok | Nico_P: that was what i was thinking, but i thought "maybe it's just me, unix sysadmin thinking" |
| 18:36:26 | Nico_P | I'm thinking that a few rules in a text file are far better than having static code for just a few cases |
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| 18:37:20 | nanok | is it possible to display album art as background (maybe with some tinting)? |
| 18:37:27 | soap | WPS conditionals for tags. So my WPS can be pink when I'm playing pop, black when I'm playing metal, and smokey gray when I'm playing jazz. |
| 18:37:44 | nanok | (sorry for the perhaps stupid questions, i never gave album art a glance) |
| 18:37:55 | rasher | nanok: no |
| 18:38:09 | Nico_P | nanok: it's not possible with the current code, but there's nothing against it apart from the fact that a backdrop bitmap must be the size of the screen |
| 18:38:53 | nanok | Nico_P: so you don't have to do resizing padding and such on the fly. fair enough |
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| 18:39:55 | shirour | hi. any m:robe devps around? |
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| 18:42:41 | Nico_P | rasher: the patch looks good to me |
| 18:43:18 | Nico_P | I'm all for it too, so as far as I'm concerned, you're free to commit :) |
| 18:44:28 | rasher | Nico_P: Did you notice the change in fix_path_part? |
| 18:45:15 | rasher | I'm not really sure I understand the need for the _part bit - it's not really time critical is it? |
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| 18:46:19 | stripwax | you could even have a stay-resident plugin that changes the background in the wps (in theory) |
| 18:46:32 | Nico_P | rasher: I don't understand what you mean? |
| 18:46:39 | stripwax | since plugins have access to albumart and bmp resizing.. |
| 18:47:02 | rasher | Nico_P: Why does fix_path_part take offset and length, rather than just working through the entire string until it hits null? |
| 18:47:05 | stripwax | in response to what nanok suggested, that is.. |
| 18:47:29 | Nico_P | rasher: honestly, I don't know. I didn't write that func |
| 18:47:33 | rasher | Ah |
| 18:47:41 | rasher | It just seems a bit overengineered |
| 18:49:01 | Nico_P | I guess it's because we typically only want to fix the part of the path that was added with the title in it... but yeah I do agree |
| 18:49:35 | rasher | It might even be just as fast (if that was the concern), since the loop becomes simpler |
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| 18:50:43 | rasher | Where in the chain should this be checked btw? I think I put it after the checks in the current dir, but before moving to the parent |
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| 18:54:21 | PaulPosition | Excuse me while you're investigating ways to make the albumart file search more extensive, but any of you had a look at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14533.0 whereby some people seem to think the current file seeking *might* cause skips in audio? |
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| 18:57:36 | crzyboyster | So is it possible to port this font > http://www.sanskritweb.org/cakram/ to a bdf/fnt format? |
| 18:58:45 | rasher | crzyboyster: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxFontConvertor |
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| 18:59:33 | crzyboyster | I've used that before, but the output is usually terrible... |
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| 19:00:00 | rasher | Then you're out of luck. |
| 19:00:22 | crzyboyster | How was the unifont font converted to fnt format? |
| 19:00:41 | rasher | Unifont is a bdf file. |
| 19:01:04 | crzyboyster | Well, I'll just try out the converter before complaining... |
| 19:01:37 | Nico_P | rasher: where you put it seems good to me |
| 19:02:29 | rasher | Nico_P: I'll commit it and wait for complaints, then. I did some testing, but I'm having a hard time coming up with what I need to test for |
| 19:02:54 | Nico_P | rasher: not much I think |
| 19:03:29 | Nico_P | PaulPosition: I know about the issue... have you experienced it yourself? |
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| 19:09:15 | PaulPosition | Nico_P - Sorry, nope. I thought about trying to replicate but I'd rather compile and bench Andree's tests for PP devices.. :p |
| 19:09:27 | Buschel_ | PaulPosition: the H10-test is finished as the "02" worked fine. the results are already contained in the v12-patch |
| 19:11:40 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Okay.. :p So no need to pursue that bench I'm doing then. So nothing changed between 12 and 13 except for nanos or would it be useful to test for (maybe) some unexpected f***-up ? |
| 19:11:49 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Oh, and thanks :) |
| 19:12:35 | Buschel_ | PaulPosition: yes, and if is noct f***ed-up -> run a bench. there are some more devices disabled |
| 19:13:05 | PaulPosition | great, going to update and compile. :) |
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| 19:14:15 | Buschel_ | PaulPosition: but only, if you've got a nano −− for H10 nothing changed. |
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| 19:15:40 | PaulPosition | lol. Okay that's what I thought at first. :p |
| 19:16:11 | PaulPosition | so no further testing then unless I missed something. |
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| 19:32:46 | crzyboyster | I just tried converting the font http://www.sanskritweb.org/cakram/ to fnt format, but it came out nonfunctional... |
| 19:33:22 | crzyboyster | And about all of the missing Hindi lang strings, I can't really translate those as the remaining ones don't really have any translation... |
| 19:35:08 | crzyboyster | The most I can do is write the strings in Hindi script, but keep the English word (like for display put in the word in devanagari script) |
| 19:35:21 | crzyboyster | Would this be acceptable? |
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| 19:39:27 | peppo | is it conceptually possible to write a skin that only displays on the lower 60% of an ipod video screen? I dropped mine and broke the upper 40% of the screen. now, if I could manage this I wouldn't have to replace it :) |
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| 19:41:10 | rasher | peppo: with a bit of magic, I think you could even make an entire build that only ever touches the lower 40% of the screen |
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| 19:41:57 | krazykit | peppo, it would be easy for the WPS |
| 19:42:02 | peppo | is modifying... |
| 19:42:11 | peppo | ah, okay. a skin/wps is the most likely candidate for this? |
| 19:42:24 | krazykit | peppo, have you considered using the VoiceUI, too? |
| 19:42:52 | peppo | krazykit, I've not toyed with that yet. I'd rather go the battery-easy route... |
| 19:43:10 | krazykit | peppo, voiceUI is really pretty easy |
| 19:43:36 | * | peppo checks out the docs for wps |
| 19:44:21 | PaulPosition | peppo - WPS is only while playing screen, won't help a lot with browsing menus.. :p |
| 19:44:29 | peppo | ah, that's true |
| 19:44:32 | peppo | agh |
| 19:44:47 | krazykit | that's why i suggested the voiceUI if you can't make the build use the lowest part of the screen |
| 19:44:51 | rasher | That's why I suggested the customized build. |
| 19:44:57 | peppo | sorry all =) |
| 19:45:09 | rasher | I think jdgordon or linuxstb would know where to start |
| 19:45:11 | peppo | I'll see if I can live with voiceui |
| 19:45:37 | rasher | voiceui + a custom wps might be a decent solution as well |
| 19:47:11 | peppo | yeah |
| 19:47:18 | peppo | I'll see if I can modify one of the simple wpss |
| 19:47:35 | peppo | heh |
| 19:47:45 | peppo | seeing the menu entries would help also... :) |
| 19:48:15 | Domonoky | peppo: then begin with the voice ui.. :-) |
| 19:48:29 | peppo | yes, activating that is what I'm trying =) |
| 19:49:00 | rasher | resetting your settings will do that (it's on by default) |
| 19:49:12 | rasher | or you could edit the settings file (in .rockbox somewhere) |
| 19:49:21 | peppo | aaah |
| 19:49:29 | Domonoky | of course you need the voice file.. :-) |
| 19:49:44 | peppo | I grabbed the 64mb one, unzipped it |
| 19:50:10 | peppo | I'll mount and check the cfg |
| 19:52:32 | peppo | hm, would "talk menu: on" not suffice? |
| 19:52:38 | peppo | or is there a key to press to get it to speak? |
| 19:53:10 | peppo | n/m I'll reset my prefs |
| 19:53:19 | Domonoky | peppo: make sure there really is a english.voice file in .rockbox/langs |
| 19:53:45 | peppo | no |
| 19:53:48 | peppo | just a .lng |
| 19:53:59 | peppo | I grabbed and unzipped rockbox-ipodvideo64mb.zip |
| 19:54:17 | peppo | which doesn't contain that |
| 19:54:18 | peppo | hm |
| 19:54:18 | peppo | ok |
| 19:54:43 | peppo | heh, doh |
| 19:54:48 | peppo | I'd clicked not voice, but latest |
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| 19:56:50 | peppo | hm no worky. anyone mind listing their talk/voice related prefs? |
| 19:57:25 | peppo | p.s. I copied ipodvideo-20080119-english.voice to .rockbox/langs/english.voice |
| 19:57:42 | Domonoky | does it speak now ? |
| 19:57:45 | peppo | nope |
| 19:58:29 | Domonoky | and the language of rockbox is also english ? |
| 19:58:50 | peppo | no, swedish |
| 19:59:02 | peppo | that needs to match? |
| 19:59:06 | Domonoky | yes.. |
| 19:59:13 | peppo | also, after I edited config.cfg to say talk menu: on |
| 19:59:18 | peppo | synced, unmounted |
| 19:59:26 | peppo | and then tried and then re-mounted |
| 19:59:37 | peppo | and now the line "talk menu: on" is gone |
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| 20:00:15 | Domonoky | then just reset you settings.. |
| 20:00:38 | peppo | working! :) |
| 20:00:42 | peppo | thnx |
| 20:01:07 | peppo | heh |
| 20:01:10 | peppo | it spells my artists |
| 20:01:11 | peppo | boooh |
| 20:01:14 | peppo | I can change this? |
| 20:01:17 | peppo | config.cfg again! :P |
| 20:01:20 | Domonoky | you can also generate a swedisch voice file (if you have a swedish tts) |
| 20:01:45 | Domonoky | to speak dirs and files, you have to generate .talk files.. |
| 20:02:07 | peppo | aight, is it in the menus? |
| 20:02:09 | Domonoky | for the db, i think there is no speaking only spelling.. |
| 20:02:19 | peppo | damn :( |
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| 20:02:58 | Domonoky | for speaking files and dirs, you have to enable the option for it, and have the correct .talk files for this.. |
| 20:03:07 | peppo | ah, well, I only use db |
| 20:03:30 | Domonoky | then you only have spelling, i think.. |
| 20:03:51 | peppo | well it'll do |
| 20:04:06 | peppo | hm, boxes is one of the more basic themes right? |
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| 20:04:31 | * | peppo has it mounted and can't check |
| 20:04:55 | peppo | bah I'm lazy, sory |
| 20:04:57 | peppo | sorry |
| 20:05:57 | Domonoky | no help for lazyness here :-) |
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| 20:06:34 | peppo | gah, editing prefs is heeelll |
| 20:10:54 | peppo | okay let's see if I can make this modified Rockboxed display ~100px further down |
| 20:12:42 | jac0b | which one is the viewports patch this viewports_list.patch or this viewports-wps-v1.diff |
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| 20:18:46 | jac0b | I take back what I said earlier about the multifont patch not working |
| 20:18:49 | jac0b | it works |
| 20:18:56 | peppo | meh, I just mess things up :/ |
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| 20:27:46 | jac0b | viewports_list.patch is this a patch for viewports or a list patch |
| 20:28:35 | Llorean | What does the tracker entry say? |
| 20:29:49 | jac0b | viewports |
| 20:30:05 | peppo | is there a general way to set position for most args? |
| 20:30:13 | peppo | I have some %ia etc that I want to lower... |
| 20:30:21 | peppo | but they're only specified as: |
| 20:30:23 | peppo | %al %s%ac%?ia<%ia|%d2>%ar |
| 20:30:23 | peppo | %al %s%ac%?id<%id|%d1>%ar |
| 20:30:23 | peppo | %al %s%ac%?it<%it|%fn>%ar |
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| 20:30:31 | peppo | I want to get them ~80px down |
| 20:30:56 | Llorean | Either patch a build with viewports and move the viewport, or you're stuck just adding lines. |
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| 20:35:20 | peppo | ah, okay, so %ia|n|n|n| is not ok syntax :) |
| 20:35:38 | jac0b | the viewports_list patch in 8385 seems very simler to 8457 patch are they the same? |
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| 20:41:45 | peppo | thanks everyone, I know have a theme that'll display id3 info on the working portion of my screen. |
| 20:44:53 | simonrvn | good luck with that |
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| 20:49:39 | brent0n | can anyone direct me to the rockbox installer? |
| 20:49:44 | brent0n | i can't find it. :( |
| 20:50:51 | PaulPosition | Brent - http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/ But the Installation page in the manual should have told you. |
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| 21:01:41 | mhydronic | why does rockbox seem to lag (so much more than ipod firmware) when advancing tracks? |
| 21:03:58 | soap | how many tracks are you skipping at one time, mhydronic? |
| 21:04:29 | soap | I ask, because if I understand the question correctly, you are describing a problem I don't suffer on my iPod. |
| 21:07:20 | mhydronic | even just one |
| 21:07:36 | mhydronic | perhaps it is the theme i am using? |
| 21:07:42 | mhydronic | what theme do you use? |
| 21:07:52 | mhydronic | and how full is your ipod? |
| 21:08:06 | Llorean | How full your iPod is won't affect anything |
| 21:08:09 | mhydronic | k |
| 21:08:10 | soap | a variety of themes. When you say "lag" - you mean it takes a long time for the current track to stop and the next track to start? |
| 21:08:27 | mhydronic | yeah |
| 21:08:41 | mhydronic | and especially if i try to skip a couple of tracks |
| 21:08:44 | Llorean | As long as your next track is on buffer, it should be nearly instant. Official build, current SVN revision? |
| 21:08:58 | mhydronic | svn? |
| 21:09:12 | Llorean | Up to date version. |
| 21:09:22 | mhydronic | do i need to set up the buffer lengths? |
| 21:09:40 | soap | no, but how long are the tracks in question? |
| 21:09:44 | soap | (roughly) |
| 21:09:54 | * | Llorean wasn't actually answered, he notes. |
| 21:10:09 | mhydronic | eh.. varies.. 2 - 9min |
| 21:10:24 | mhydronic | llorean: its been a couple of days but in general that hasnt fixed this problem |
| 21:10:54 | Llorean | mhydronic: And an official version? |
| 21:12:28 | mhydronic | what makes it official? i download it from rockbox.org |
| 21:12:36 | mhydronic | under current build |
| 21:12:50 | Llorean | That's the important bit. Not one of the unsupported builds provided by other people. |
| 21:13:03 | mhydronic | so is what im downloading official? |
| 21:13:06 | Llorean | What format is your music? |
| 21:13:09 | mhydronic | mp3 |
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| 21:14:02 | * | Llorean couldn't say then |
| 21:14:28 | mhydronic | what themes do you guys use? |
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| 21:15:43 | mhydronic | also, does this happen to you guys: when the backlight is off and you press play to pause it, it doesnt always work. sometimes, i really have to press it repeatedly to get it to pause |
| 21:17:08 | Nico_P | rasher: the missing AA log is a nice idea :) |
| 21:17:32 | Llorean | It seems like something more suitable to an external app, or a "scanning" plugin to me. |
| 21:17:42 | Llorean | Something you can run over your collection, and it says "These don't have AA". |
| 21:17:47 | Llorean | Or even in the database generation. |
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| 21:21:41 | Domonoky | mhydronic: and you are sure to not have the option on, to only turn lcd on,on first key press ? |
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| 21:26:40 | mhydronic | maybe my hdd has some bad sectors or something |
| 21:26:58 | mhydronic | how quickly are you guys able to access your ipod when you plug it in? |
| 21:29:47 | mhydronic | Domonoky: First Buttonpress Enables Backlight Only is set to No |
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| 21:34:07 | PaulPosition | Maybe its just slow UI because of too many eq-bands/crossfeed and such? (Or has that been improved on PP targets?) |
| 21:34:42 | mhydronic | i dont have any of that stuff enabled |
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| 21:40:13 | Buschel_ | soap: you really fast! it only takes you minutes to update your builds :) |
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| 21:40:38 | soap | when I'm home |
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| 21:41:53 | Buschel_ | well, at work the rockbox forums are blocked by our IT. |
| 21:42:14 | Buschel_ | it contains the bad word "mp3" |
| 21:45:39 | mhydronic | soap: i noticed you commented in phk's forum about his phkAMP theme. have you used this theme? |
| 21:46:09 | soap | (not sure where this is going) but yes I have. |
| 21:46:22 | mhydronic | that is one of the themes i experience the lag on |
| 21:47:05 | soap | you keep bringing up themes as a variable in this saga. Is there a theme with which you don't experience the lag? |
| 21:47:33 | mhydronic | i havent toyed with it in a while.. but the default theme may have been a little quicker |
| 21:47:39 | mhydronic | i just dont really like it ;) |
| 21:48:13 | mhydronic | im not complaining. i like rockbox. was just curious if it was my ipod that was causing the delay or if there was some patch or something to fix it |
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| 22:00:45 | rasher | Llorean: Probably true, it's just a lot easier to do it where it's actually missing |
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| 22:35:29 | soap | someone with an ax to grind write for wikipedia? |
| 22:35:33 | soap | "Also, artists whose names begin with "The" are listed incorrectly. [10]" |
| 22:35:50 | soap | from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SanDisk_Sansa#e200_series |
| 22:36:03 | soap | the part talking about rockbox. |
| 22:36:56 | * | amiconn returns |
| 22:36:58 | amiconn | jhMikeS: around now? |
| 22:37:37 | Bagder | soap: I interpret that as a comment about the OF... |
| 22:39:00 | soap | the footnote links to the Rockbox wiki. |
| 22:39:32 | Bagder | hm, the [10] links to #_note-8 ... |
| 22:40:42 | rasher | Bagder: did you see the request for commit access for updating the russian translation? |
| 22:40:49 | Bagder | nope |
| 22:41:02 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8475 |
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| 22:49:51 | nanok | soap: does it also say there that because of rockbox, the sansa e200 is a product that one might actually consider buying? |
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| 23:38:53 | jhMikeS | amiconn: indeed |
| 23:48:29 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Regarding r16104, I would like to know how important the ata_init serialisation is on a single core target, i.e. whether it should be ported to other "ata" drivers |
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| 23:50:26 | amiconn | Btw, thanks for the Y-only mpeg decoding :) |
| 23:51:05 | amiconn | I checked elephants dream framerate (widescreen) on H180 and mini G2. ~38fps on H180, >130fps on mini |
| 23:51:44 | amiconn | That means a ~10% speedup on H1x0; I didn't measure on mini without that improvement |
| 23:51:53 | jhMikeS | those function do yields and sleeps so any thread that could access the disk and not have a public queue could be in the middle of a read/write when the USB is plugged so imo it's important to prevent that so one operation happens entirely before the other |
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| 23:53:42 | crzyboyster | Is it possible to have both album art conditionals and viewports support in a theme? |
| 23:53:43 | jhMikeS | I'm hoping to improve the Cr skipping but I'm doubtful that would be very measureable but it could just be simpler |
| 23:53:53 | crzyboyster | I was trying and it wouldn't work... |
| 23:54:22 | rasher | jhMikeS: Llorean talked about encoding files without Cr entirely - is this something you know anything about? |
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| 23:55:33 | jhMikeS | rasher: nothing I've looked into but I'm not aware that the standard supports it |
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| 23:58:07 | Alonea | Llorean: well, so far zeroing the drive on my gigabeat has seemed to fixed any system issues. |
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| 23:58:50 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Hmm. I didn't know that the usb code calls ata_init() - but it does so only after calling ata_soft_reset(), which is mutexed itself |
| 23:58:50 | rasher | jhMikeS: Alright |
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