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#rockbox log for 2008-01-19

00:00:24*preglow tries buschel's patch with the ipod video stuff commented in
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00:02:14preglowmok, obviously, not everything is the same in nano as in 5g...
00:04:55Bagderif you ever thought Rockbox's build system is hard to grasp, never ever try out uclinux... :-/
00:05:12*Bagder waves fist
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00:06:34preglowrockbox's build system is simple...
00:07:00linuxstbWell, in theory ;)
00:09:37*preglow summons Buschel
00:15:44advlaptop2019i have an e280r and i ran into something that never happened before.. when you have the sansa plugged while playing a song, then when you unplug the cable it causes the song to pause and the you have to hit play again
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00:20:12nanokadvlaptop2019: strange, i have an e200 also (non-r), never happened to me either
00:20:34nanokbuth i have a few days old build. are you running the current one?
00:21:44advlaptop2019nanok, yep
00:22:11nanokhm. maybe some recent changes
00:22:46nanokbut the main issue i think is that, at this point, there is litle reason to have the sansa plugged in while running rockbox anyway :(
00:23:12nanoklitle if any..
00:24:11advlaptop2019nanok, i know but to charge it.. but anyway i tried it again and it does it again
00:24:40nanokwell, in my experience charging doesn't work either
00:24:48nanokdoes it work for you?
00:25:20advlaptop2019nanok, once in a while that is all
00:25:25nanok(if charging would work i would be very happy, i would have all the reasons to have it plugged in while running rockbox)
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00:26:15nanoki know it is *supposed* to work, but for some reason never worked for me
00:26:30kugelthe sansa does charge
00:26:47nanokkugel: reliably?
00:26:55nanoki don't know, maybe i am doing something wrong
00:27:01kugelI went to a journey
00:27:12kugelI was moving in a train providing power supply
00:27:36kugelI started with an empty sansa, plugged the cable into the power source and watched some videos
00:27:57kugelmy sansa was full after the jouney, and it's not empty yet
00:28:14nanoki'll be damned if i understand..
00:28:22nanoki never did try a wall adapter though
00:28:29kugelhowever, the travelling in the train took me 6 1/2 hours each direction, so I can't tell you how fast it charges
00:29:00nanokonly connection to pc (where the rockbox has to actually request for power, i think in the case of wall cargers it doesn't have to ask)
00:29:51nanokspeed is not the question at this point. i left it overnight when testing this, so it had plenty of time
00:30:13kugelnot sure about that
00:30:24kugelwasn't a PC power source, indeed
00:30:26nanokkugel: i think the main point here is that i was talking about pc (usb port) connection
00:30:44kugelhowever, rockbox asks for full power allready, so that shouldn't be an issue
00:30:48nanoki think with a wall/car charger it should work regardless
00:31:00nanokwell, it should do that, yes
00:31:04kugelactually charging the battery is kinda different
00:31:56kugelbut true, I allready heard that charging isn't working properly, even worse than before the stuff with full power requesting
00:32:21nanokyou mean charging in general
00:32:40kugelnanok: I meant, it asks for full power, so there shouldn't be any difference between PC power source and normal power source
00:32:59nanokkugel: i get it, yeah
00:33:20nanokbut the wall charger might deliver more than 500mA
00:33:42nanoki am not sure if the sansa will use more though
00:33:53kugeljust took a look
00:34:10nanokother than that, should be no difference, *if* the power request actually works correctly
00:34:23kugelshouldn't give more actually, since it's a generic usb-to-power adapter
00:35:01nanoki've been meaning to check what it does on connect, but i need to find some usb sniffer for linux
00:35:37nanoki could also rig up some contraption with a multi metter to see what currnet actually passes through there once connected..
00:35:43Nico_PjhMikeS: could your ata_init commit potentially have an effect on the skipping issues?
00:40:25advlaptop2019kugel and nanok, this pausing with only power.. and without the data side enabled
00:40:55kugeladvlaptop2019: can you reproduce it?
00:41:36advlaptop2019kugel, yea with the latest rockbox build
00:42:58jhMikeSNico_P: can't see how. it's only to fix an init bug and make sure the USB thread doesn't call in while something else is accessing the disk.
00:43:52Nico_Pright. It's just that as it touched ata_init, I thought it might be somehow related
00:45:05kugelJdGordon|zzz: still sleeping? :/
00:46:33JdGordon|zzzhehe no
00:46:44JdGordon|zzzapparently i forgot to remove that this morning :p
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00:48:35kugelJdGordon|yyy: sadly, I missed that you created a seperate entry for your list stuff (
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00:49:01kugeljust noticed it today
00:49:23kugelLooks damn nice so far (beside the issues). Did you read my comment?
00:49:34JdGordon|yyyyeah, but forgot to reply
00:49:41JdGordon|yyyill do that quiclly
00:49:50oboadvlaptop2019: do you have car adapter mode enabled?
00:50:02kugelBtw, I don't really like the concept of the .vp file either
00:50:07nanokobo: good point :)
00:51:28advlaptop2019obo, i will check
00:53:13JdGordon|yyywho knows where my beanie is? :'(
00:54:19bignoseJdGordon|yyy: behind the couch
00:54:37advlaptop2019obo, odd.. it was on before and never had that happen before.. with it turned off it works ok now
00:55:39JdGordon|yyybignose: so close :) on the couch under my jumper
00:55:42kugelJdGordon|yyy: " .y = 8," ??
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00:56:07kugelwell, assumed that
00:56:39kugelthough, I imagine users having it turned off. I highly doubt the offset wanted then
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00:57:36kugel(besides that you could've used STATUSBAR_HEIGHT
00:58:27kugeloh, he's gone
00:58:32kugeljust noticed
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01:13:06Nico_Pamiconn: here?
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01:24:18NudgerAnyone around?
01:24:44NudgerI'm trying to install Rockbox onto a iPod Video, and I'm just wondering if doing so with the automatic installation method will wipe the songs on it?
01:33:28soapit will not, Nudger
01:33:51soapAssuming you mean Rockbox's RBUtil, and not some third-party POS.
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01:36:02NudgerI don't know what that means
01:36:15Nudgerbut I'm following the installation manual, I hope that's a good thing
01:36:20soapit is.
01:37:15soapJust making sure - we have lots (?) (enough) people crying "Rockbox F#$%ed my iPod!", only to find out later they were using some crazy autoinstall script from 11 months ago found on somebody's myspace page.
01:37:57Nudgeroh heh ok
01:38:14Nudgerso do i just use the Rbutil?
01:38:47soapsure - it works for most iPods & most people. If it doesn't work for you, the manual install isn't that hard at all.
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01:39:13soapThis is a 5th or 5.5th gen iPod, though - not the new iPod Classic?
01:39:24NudgerIt's a 60GB video
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01:39:36Nudgeri'm confused, what am i downloading then
01:40:02crzyboysterI just finished the Hindi translation!
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01:42:16Nudgeri'm taking it is the most recent stable version?
01:42:59crzyboysterAnd does anyone know what happened to Mustapha Senhaji (DrMoos)?
01:43:34crzyboysterI'm asking because he said that he would commit the translation a while ago, but it hasn't happened yet...
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01:46:37Nudgerwhat is "Unsupported Bootloader Install method."
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01:57:33soapwhat is that quote from?
01:58:44soapBut I feel I can safely say, regardless of original context, that anything but the two methods mentioned explicitly in the manual would be an unsupported bootloader install method.
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02:16:54Lloreansoap: That's a message RBUtil will give, I believe, under circumstances I'm completely unsure of.
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02:29:29asnSorry for bothering you with my lame newbish C stuff, but I wonder something, since I'm not really familiar with code with more than 3 #includes :p Let's take for example credits.c, that source file uses the function utf8seek, and it includes plugin.h and helper.h. How can I find what utf8seek does? It's code is neither in plugin.h or helper.h
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02:44:42zeasn: its prototype would be in one of those .h files (or one they reference maybe?), its actual code would probably be in a coresponding .c file
02:45:18zeasn: at least thats usually how it works... also you can learn to use 'grep'
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02:46:07asnze: thank you.
02:55:38asnze: Alright found it. The code was in firmware/common/unicode.c . Is there a reason on why utf8seek returns "pos" twice?
02:56:07asnlet me pastebin it for you
02:56:27asnOops, it _doesnt_ return pos twice
02:56:41asnSorry, tired eyes
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04:16:34JavaMan22is rockbox able to run on 1.2.3?
04:16:42JavaMan22ipod video 5.5g
04:16:59JavaMan22just wondering before i hit the update button
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04:52:02magenpiecan someone remind me why i can't see the tracks the sansa comes with?
04:52:35magenpiethe MUSIC folder appears to be empty
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05:13:19Lloreanmagenpie: Because they're hidden in the MTP directory structure, not the normal music folder
05:15:23magenpiei haven't put rb on it can i delete those tracks?
05:16:13magenpiei think i knew this (this is my 4th sansa) but i can't remember
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06:04:52Tyresesdoes anyone know if the sansa e260 is being worked on for the V2?
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08:51:43bluefoxxis the e200v2 supported yet?
08:51:50scorcheit is not
08:51:54LloreanThat's why it's still not listed on the front page.
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08:54:15bluefoxxok thanks, that rather sucks as i traded in my sister's clip for a e260 so she could have rockbox and seem smarter[lol]
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09:35:55Casainhogood morning Rockbox people! :-)
09:36:35CasainhoI am here to ask if there is any hardware wich RB work, that have a LCD of 128x128....
09:38:18scorchethe iriver H10 5GB devices do
09:38:54Casainhoscorche: and is a bw or color LCD? :-)
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09:40:38*pixelma recommends the DeviceChart in the wiki for further reference ;)
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09:40:54*scorche actually used the list on
09:41:30scorchebut yes... DeviceChart is very handy
09:43:16Casainhothank you - I saw now on device chart :-)
09:43:26CasainhoIriverH10Port uses a 128x128 color LCD :-)
09:43:43scorcheno...just the 5GB model does
09:43:48Casainhothats importante because we are trying to use a nokia 128x128 color LCD
09:44:30Casainhowell, is there any link for the 5GB model on TWiki?
09:44:49scorchewhat sort of link?
09:45:53linuxstbThe page you mentioned (IriverH10Port) has links to the other H10 pages.
09:45:59Casainhowell, I just have a link for the IriverH10Port... and not for the 5GB
09:46:38linuxstbI doubt there is a page specific to the 5GB version - IIUC, the only difference between the two H10s is the LCD size.
09:47:48pixelmaand the HD size ;) (and the physical size is a bit different because of it)
09:47:59Casainhoah, okok - so I will link to that page and say that the 5GB version have a 128x128 LCD :-)
09:48:29pixelmabut I couldn't find a specific site for the small one too
09:49:11Casainhosince we will use a nokia LCD of 128x128 color, I think that we will be able to use the drivers, code of that from IriverH10 5GB version :-)
09:49:56pixelmasame lcd size doesn't mean it can use the same drivers
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09:50:44Casainhopixelma: well, I know that there is specific drivers, for hardware
09:51:36Casainhowe will link the LCD from MCU by Two Wires Interface - TWI and we have all information to initialize the LCD, etc...
09:52:37Casainhobut I think there should be some code, after that, that will draw lines, etc... and that code (also drivers??) is specific for a color LCD, of xx X xx pixels, no?
09:52:44linuxstbCasainho: The size of the LCD isn't important, it's the format it stores the pixel data in. So far, all our colour LCD targets are using the same high-level framebuffer drawing code because the format is the same (or very similar).
09:53:03linuxstbLCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT are simply #defines.
09:53:20scorcheand then there is the av300..
09:53:39Casainhonice, so should be even easier, I think :-)
09:54:51Casainholinuxstb: what is the format that it stores pixel data? - how can I identify that at looking for datahseet of the LCD? :-)
09:55:44linuxstbEach pixel is stored in two adjacent bytes, in RGB565 format, moving horizontally from the top-left to bottom right.
09:56:22linuxstbSome devices require that in little-endian format, others in big-endian, but that's handled with macros.
09:57:25linuxstbBut I think that's more or less standard for colour LCDs, or at least all the ones in Rockbox devices so far.
09:59:15linuxstbYou may want to consider mono or greyscale LCDs though - they have the advantage of being much easier to read without backlight.
09:59:27linuxstbSome colour LCDs can't be read at all without backlight.
10:00:48Casainholinuxstb: well, I think we will be able to control the amount of the bakclight - we will design our hardware :-9 ;-)
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10:01:15scorchethat isnt quite the point..
10:02:40Casainhoso what is the point? :-) - look at one image of the LCD wrking here:
10:04:45linuxstbThe point is that any backlight uses power, and it's nice if an LCD can be read without it.
10:04:54scorcheone of the points is that in many cases, backlight is a waste of energy, when you would normally be able to see just fine without backlight on a manachome/greyscale device
10:05:23Casainhoah, okok, I understand now
10:05:35linuxstbBut of course a colour LCD is prettier...
10:06:04scorchethink of "manachome" as a more magical version of "monochrome"
10:06:07CasainhoIt would be niceIf we will have some control of amount of energy is used on backlight, like controling by PWM
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10:06:45Casainhowell, this nokia LCD is very cheap :-) - I think that is more cheap that one of bw
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12:46:26Buschelpreglow: you called for me? here i am :)
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12:52:45preglowBuschel: hi! :)
12:52:52preglowBuschel: where did you get the ipod video values from?
12:53:07Buschelpreglow: hi! from own tests.
12:53:10preglowBuschel: i just tested them on my nano, and almost all of them make the build buggy, primarily display issues
12:53:32preglowBuschel: and nano and 5g hardware is alike :/
12:53:40Buschelpreglow: did you simplay use the same config?
12:53:40preglowBuschel: ahh, so you didn't do any disassembling to see?
12:53:43preglowBuschel: yes
12:54:02Buschelyou should start with DEV_EN first and keep the rest untouched
12:54:24Buschelpreglow: no disassembly, just plain rebuilds
12:55:23preglowperhaps i will do that, but not today :)
12:55:42Buschelpreglow: e.g. I would assume you need to enable 0x4000 (DEV_ATA) and 0x04000000 (DEV_LCD) for the nano
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12:58:15preglowand not for 5g? :)
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12:59:04Buschelpreglow: no. DEV_LCD seems to be used for the internal LCD-bridge, 5G has the Broadcom chip. IDE0 is used, no ATA
12:59:39Buschelmaybe some other of the bits are also connected to LCD stuff?
13:01:11preglowBuschel: well, the lcd did indeed fail :-)
13:01:20preglowi'll try again now with lcd
13:01:40Buschelpreglow: I expected this :o) Maybe should have written a note... (*evil grin*)
13:02:14preglowBuschel: those need to be set DEV_EN ?
13:02:55preglowwell, let's see
13:03:36Buschelbtw, DEV_EN -> 0x100 seems to enable the GPIOs somehow. When unsetting this bit the bacxklight control does not work and there is no change in the GPIO_INPUT_VALs −− no matter what you do...
13:04:05preglowthere's something weird happening on the screen when it boots now
13:04:20preglowthen it seems to hang
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13:05:48Buschelhmm, you're now setting DEV_EN = xc6004124 ?
13:05:50preglowBuschel: do you think the DEV_RS lines are harmless no matter what i do above that code?
13:06:00Buschelpreglow: remove them
13:06:10preglowBuschel: 0xc6004124, yes
13:07:16preglowsame result without them
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13:08:00Buschelpreglow: what's the value of DEV_EN with the unchanged patch and the ipod being idle and not connected via USB?
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13:20:01preglowchecking now
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13:28:50Buschelpreglow: and with this config everything works fine?
13:29:35preglowlike hell, done a runtime test and all
13:31:29Buschelhmm, try to unset 0x00800000, 0x10 and 0x1 (three builds)
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13:37:55preglowBuschel: seems to work
13:38:24Buschelall three?
13:39:28Buschelhmm, then setting DEV_EN = 0xc2000124 for nano at startup is identical.
13:39:48Buschelwhich is same as 5G
13:41:39Buschelwhat are the values for DEV_EN2 and DEV_EN3 when the ipod is idle?
13:44:39preglow0x2000 for en2
13:44:46preglow0x0007003f for en3
13:46:34Buschelwhat happens if you unset DEV_EN2 0x2000? or EN3 0x70000?
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13:50:50preglowwill try
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13:54:55Buschelpreglow: -> for nano instead of using the whole initialization of GPO32/DEV_INITs/DEV_RSs
13:55:26Buschelmaybe the DEV_INITs or GPO-changes produce the problems?
13:56:08rashermoos: a lot of missed strings in Hindi:">
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13:59:35moosrasher: let's Apoo update it, that's just the initial version, updates will come
14:00:04rashermoos: Those are not missing strings though, just strings left untouched, so they won't be caught by genlang
14:00:26moosyup english ones you mean?
14:00:34rasherIt would probably make sense to include a link to that page when closing a language-related task
14:01:06rashermoos: I mean genlang won't mark them with ###, so he'll have to find them himself (or look at my page..)
14:02:14preglowBuschel: ok, dev2 needs to be there
14:02:26moosrasher: I pointed him to your page in a mail answered
14:03:06Buschelpreglow: what happens, if unset?
14:03:32rashermoos: Sounds good
14:05:20preglowBuschel: apple logo remains on the screen
14:05:46Buschelpreglow: frozen or no display update?
14:06:35preglowCACHE_PRIO line works
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14:07:26preglowBuschel: it reacts to key presses, so no update, i guess
14:07:31preglowbacklight comes on when i press stuff
14:07:39preglowand music plays fine
14:07:46Buschelpreglow: ok, so this is LCD-enable for nano :)
14:07:55Buschelor something similar
14:08:12preglowwell, yes :-)
14:08:25preglowany obvious candidates i can disable in en3?
14:08:31preglowand btw, why do you call it CACHE_PRIORITY?
14:09:27Buschelthis is what the register is called right now −− amiconn assumes this as DEV_EN3...
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14:10:40Buschelpreglow: all other bits in DEV_EN3 must be set for 5G, otherwise it doesn't start
14:11:27preglowthe _INIT ones i can leave in
14:11:29preglowwhat do they do?
14:12:12BuschelINIT1 is something like BUTTON_ENABLE (otherwise detection of hold doesn't work), INIT2 is the PLL-enable for the clock
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14:13:38preglowINIT1 messed up my lcd just like DEV2 did
14:13:43Buschelpreglow: can you disable DEV_EN 0x80000000, 0x40000000, or 0x20 without any problems?
14:14:19Buschelwhat are the defaults for INIT1 and INIT2 (you'll need to add them to the IO-port debug screen)?
14:14:51preglowi can definitely not disable 0x80000000
14:14:55preglowthen backlight never comes on
14:17:38preglowditto 0x40000000
14:18:15*Buschel just adds these results to the PP-register wiki-page
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14:19:31preglowwhen i disable 0x20 the logo shows
14:19:32preglowbut then it hangs
14:19:42preglowbacklight never turns full intensity
14:19:46Buschelsame as 5G
14:21:50preglowinit1 and init2 are 0xa804000000 and 0x0
14:22:21Buschelin an unpatched build?
14:22:58pregloweh, no, not unpatched
14:23:07preglowbut with your default patch, no nano mods
14:24:14Buschelwhat exactly was the value of DEV_INIT1? there are too many "0"s...
14:24:59preglowwhen i set init2 to 0x0 explicitely, the build hangs
14:25:26Buschelyep, as INIT2 needs PLL at startup
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14:26:16preglowweird, DEV_EN in the debug screen does not end up as what i set it to
14:26:23BuschelINIT1 0x40000 is needed for buttons the other 0xa800000-bits should be disabled step by step to see what's going on and which is needed for LCD
14:26:24preglowperhaps rockbox code touches it, then
14:26:44Buschelpreglow: my patch does (freq scaling)
14:27:12Buschel+ USB + I2S + I2C
14:27:30preglowwhy is usb enabled? i thought part of the point of the patch was to disable that
14:27:47Buschelyep, it s enabled on demand
14:28:47preglowbit 0x20000000 in init1 is needed for lcd
14:29:32preglowremoving bit 0x08000000 also has the same effect
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14:30:24preglowfiddling with any of those three bits has the same result, lcd stops updating
14:30:27preglowotherwise responsive
14:30:45preglowbtw, why don't i need that DEV_RS step?
14:31:38Buschelyou can re-add this but maybe you should change the DEV_RS2 to not reset the 0x2000? depends on your experience with such change
14:32:40preglowwhat happens without those lines on 4g?
14:32:42preglow5g <-
14:34:01Buschelnothing different, just wanted to ensure the devices are resetted nicely
14:34:22Buscheli could not measure any difference after the runtime tests
14:34:42preglowwell, shit, not resetting 0x2000 in RS2 makes it boot
14:34:46preglowwith that in place, it does not boot
14:35:00preglowwhat is that device?
14:35:39Buschelthis was connected to your LCD
14:36:08Buschelmaybe the LCD-initialization endlessly loops then −− same happens when not enabling USB for initialization
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14:36:30preglowbut ok, perhaps it's time for another runtime test? :-)
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14:37:15preglowmy gpo32 is 0x50000000
14:37:22preglowperhaps i should try to flick some bits there as well
14:38:08Buschel0x4000000 is used for HDD power off in 5G
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14:38:36preglowseems to be some lcd stuff here
14:38:39preglowscreen just blanked out
14:38:43preglowwent totally white
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14:39:24Buschelseems like a lot of bits are connected to display somehow (on a nano)
14:39:30preglowoh, sorry about that
14:39:34preglow0x10000000 seems to be display
14:39:47preglowwhen i disable 0x40000000, i get ata error: -11 on start
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14:41:01Buschelsame as 5G. does this one power off the controller on a nano?
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14:43:07Buschelmaybe you should activate the HAVE_ATA_POWER_OFF and use the implementation for the power-off from ipod video? -> see power-ipod.c
14:43:44Buschelmight be worth an additional runtime check...
14:44:31preglowi don't think it's needed on nano, the flash chip self-sleeps after very short time
14:44:38preglowbut sleep != power off, i guess
14:46:44preglowtrying with poweroff now
14:46:53preglowif that works, i'll do a new runtime test
14:47:05preglowlast time i got 8:40, btw, with your unmodified path, retailos gets 11:40
14:47:22preglowmy battery is kinda worn...
14:48:49preglowata doesn't wake up
14:49:10preglowipod nano ata is troublesome...
14:49:25stripwaxpreglow - i wonder if there were retailos updates that reduce power usage for nano - apple advertise 14hrs (or did you used to get 14hrs on retailos and now just 11:40?)
14:49:39Buschelpreglow: is this the config for nano as you've tested it? ->
14:50:17preglowstripwax: i don't know what i used to get, but it's old and used
14:50:30*stripwax wonders how people can rebuild and retest in under five mins
14:50:43stripwaxmust get a new PC at some point
14:50:46stripwaxpreglow - fair enough
14:51:06preglowrebuild and retest is a thirty second operation
14:51:48preglowarg, the automounter just shat its pants
14:52:00stripwaxwow - really? although I guess you only need to build (and copy to the device) rockbox.ipod and none of the plugins
14:52:42preglowmake && cp rockbox.ipod /media/NANO/.rockbox && eject /media/NANO takes about ten seconds
14:52:53preglowassuming only a couple of files get rebuilt, of course
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14:53:25stripwaxyeh - I guess I'm conditioned to doing make && make zip && unzip ..
14:53:49preglowBuschel: no, GPO32_VAL = 0x50000000, not _ENABLE
14:53:53preglowBuschel: i don't touch enable
14:54:32preglowBuschel: and INIT1 misses the 0x40000 you said were for clickwheel
14:54:59Buschelthis is enabled in the clickwheel driver
14:55:00preglowBuschel: apart from that, yes
14:55:04preglowBuschel: ah, ok
14:57:46preglowhd power stuff works badly
14:58:20preglowBuschel: that's right, yes
14:59:46Buschelpreglow: I'll add this for the next version of the patch. And I am interested in your results :o)
14:59:56preglowcharging now, will do a test when i get back
14:59:59preglowneed to go now
15:00:02preglowthanks for your help :)
15:00:12Buschelpreglow: thanks for _your_ help! :)
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15:23:14rasherShouldn't util/ be included in the tarballs?
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15:41:32jac0bon the viewports patch can you do multifonts
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15:46:05jac0bdoes anyone know if you can use multiple font with viewports?
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15:49:57JETC-You can
15:50:18JETC-Although you need some modification with the viewports list
15:51:25jac0bso itn't default
15:51:45JETC-Regular viewports without viewports list is fine
15:51:56JETC-viewports list replaced custom list
15:52:11JETC-But that patch has a lot of compile errors
15:52:58jac0bso I would have to add the viewports_list patch to add multifont functionality the the last 5-10 comment
15:53:22JETC-Add that patch without the viewports list
15:53:34JETC-If you don't want to fiddle with more code
15:53:56JETC-Just make sure you add this viewports-wps-v1.diff
15:55:05jac0bso if you want viewports with multifont add the 2 above patches?
15:56:52JETC-Things should work properly
15:56:57JETC-Add viewports first I think
15:57:13JETC-You don't get to play with custom list tho
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15:57:34jac0bI think I will just add the multifont patch o viewports
15:58:12JETC-Ok, as you wish. It's your build ;d
15:58:22JETC-But just telling you it works and stuff.
15:58:41JETC-Someone already updated a theme to work with viewports
15:58:47JETC-So I'm happy about that
15:59:05JETC-Now, if bmp resize patch could be sync'ed :3
16:00:18stripwaxJETC- for albumart you mean?
16:00:34stripwaxI didn't think bmp resize was needed any more
16:00:52jac0bI use the port bmp patch
16:01:40stripwaxNico_P / anyone - any feedback on the sliding_puzzle patch? ..
16:01:50stripwaxor pacbox on cop for that matter :)
16:02:08JETC-Well, it's nice since it's a pain to resize ;d
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16:02:28JETC-Unless bmp resize is already implemented into the svn O_o
16:02:34stripwaxJETC- hm, I thought albumart does resize in svn now ..
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16:03:11stripwaxperhaps it doesn't. which is odd, given that bmp resizing is in svn.
16:03:50JETC-Unless they haven't updated the wiki
16:05:07stripwaxNo, you're right, and I'm wrong: bmpresize isn't in the *core*, which albumart is. the bmp resizing in svn is in pluginlib only, so only plugins can use it right now
16:05:28soapand does it not only do factors of 2? Or is that the jpeg resizing?
16:05:43stripwaxjac0b - does that resize within albumart?
16:05:59stripwaxsoap - that's jpeg
16:06:07jac0bno its bmp
16:06:08JETC-I hear that patch doesn't do resizing on wps
16:06:21jac0bnope it doesn't do resizing
16:06:25stripwaxsoap - my sliding_puzzle patch uses the bmp resizing in svn
16:06:33stripwaxjac0b - hm, what do you use it for?
16:07:10jac0bdoesn't the albumart display the default pic size
16:07:27stripwaxjac0b - by 'it' I mean that imlib2 port patch you just posted the link for
16:07:54jac0bI thought it resizes the pic
16:08:09stripwaxjac0b - I thought you just said it doesn't do resizing? <confused>
16:08:38jac0b<confused myself>
16:09:08jac0bsay your pic is 300x300 would albumart display the pic on your wps as 300x300
16:09:21stripwaxso anyway, that patch replaces the simple_resize algorithm with a smoothly interpolating one. plugins would be able to use this to resize bitmaps smoothly. and wps doesn't do resizing yet.
16:09:35stripwaxjac0b - so when you say you "use" this patch, what do you use it for?
16:10:04jac0bthat is what I am trying to figure out I thought it did resize the picture
16:10:15jac0bjust not to your specs
16:10:57jac0bmy question is does album display the actual size of the pic or does it shrink it
16:11:03stripwaxjac0b - the patch adds a new function that lets new code resize bitmaps. nothing (afaik) is using that new function yet - not wps - not anything
16:11:21rasherNico_P: how about looking for albumart in .rockbox/albumart/ (or somewhere other fixed location)?
16:12:09stripwaxjac0b - if you "use" this patch, albumart is going to be unaffected. so I'm interested to know what you "use" it for (when you say you are using it currently)
16:12:32jac0bno I guess I am not using it then
16:12:39stripwaxoh ok
16:12:45jac0b<removing from build
16:13:17jac0balso I am getting hunk errors on the multifont patch
16:14:21jac0bapps/gui/gwps-common.c & apps/gui/wps_parser.c
16:14:22stripwaxNico_P - was the plan to put the linear interpolating resize code in core? Istr that the simple_resize wasn't moved into core as it wasn't good enough
16:16:43stripwaxvisually, that is, not implementation :)
16:18:20jac0bI found the gwps-common.c error looking for the wps_parser error
16:18:24JETC-jac0b: try applying the viewports patch
16:20:18jac0bI will try later got to take my cat to the vet
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17:31:35soapBuschel_, with the new patch - you looking to see if it works - or if it changes power consumption?
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17:54:59crzyboysterI just checked out Hindi on rockbox and it's working well
17:55:14crzyboysterIt does have a lot of missing strings and I'll add them
17:55:50rashercrzyboyster: is the font rendering fine? Have you checked my page which hilights which ids need attention?
17:56:22crzyboysterQuick question though: I used unifont, but a lot of letters didn't turn out good (some important letters are missing) and I was wondering whether it was possible to port this font to the fnt format >
17:59:07rasherI believe there's a utility to convert ttf into bdf (the source format Rockbox uses for fonts)
18:00:12crzyboysterAnother thing, I know I left the strings I didn't translate in English, but what should I have done to them?
18:00:47rashercrzyboyster: you could have deleted the entire phrase (from <phrase> to </phrase>). That way, they'd be inserted the next time you ran genlang
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18:00:59rasherWith comments telling you to translate it
18:01:23rasheror I think you could have added a comment with a single #-sign. I believe genlang leaves those alone
18:01:37rasherBut it's no big deal, really
18:01:55crzyboysterSo should I do an update with that done? I will check out other lang files and see how it's done...
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18:04:37crzyboysterSo instead of having ""Host" let's say it should be "#" in the dest tag?
18:05:15rasherno, just add an extra line somewhere saying #this phrase needs translation
18:05:29rasherBut you don't have to - other languages don't do that (hence the need for my page)
18:05:59crzyboysterI don't really understand, but is there any font designer/developer that would like to to convert that font?
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18:08:33rasherOdd, unifont has 95% coverage of devanagari. Wonder why they didn't spring for the last 5%
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18:23:10Buschel_soap: of course both. it should be tested for side effects and for power consumption −− you'll never know what the PP makes of it ;)
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18:25:25PaulPositionBuschel_ - Hey Andree.. While I don't understand much in the "testing minimum startup config" stuff, I do wonder whether there's still a use in trying the 'H10-test-01.patch' file you posted two days ago (the '...-02.patch' one having already been tested, I think, by Sascha)
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18:25:51PaulPosition...or if you progressed way beyond that anyway...
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18:32:10rasherNico_P: −− Look for albumart in .rockbox/albumart/
18:32:28Nico_Prasher: nice :)
18:32:46Nico_PI was just going to say it's a good idea in reply to your previous comment
18:33:06Nico_Pit was already on my (too lon) todo list
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18:33:48rasherYeah, I intended it to just ask you whether you still wanted to do it, but then figured I might as well give it a shot myself
18:34:11nanoki just had a stupid idea: what if we added the ability to use some more generic album art, like for music genree (now that we have that directory), like one for rock, one for jaxx, and so on
18:34:43rasherOr one for the artist.
18:34:53soapor one for the day of the week.
18:34:58nanoklike, if there is no album art for the particulr song/album, use a generic one..
18:35:18rasherI've actually had artist pics in ../cover.bmp, and it feels fairly natural when they come up
18:35:24soapnanok, you already can do this based on the hierarchy of places Rockbox looks for album art.
18:35:36Nico_Pheh, it could even be configurable with a text file
18:35:53soapsimply place your generic cover.bmp in the parent directory of the album directory.
18:36:08nanokNico_P: that was what i was thinking, but i thought "maybe it's just me, unix sysadmin thinking"
18:36:26Nico_PI'm thinking that a few rules in a text file are far better than having static code for just a few cases
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18:37:20nanokis it possible to display album art as background (maybe with some tinting)?
18:37:27soapWPS conditionals for tags. So my WPS can be pink when I'm playing pop, black when I'm playing metal, and smokey gray when I'm playing jazz.
18:37:44nanok(sorry for the perhaps stupid questions, i never gave album art a glance)
18:37:55rashernanok: no
18:38:09Nico_Pnanok: it's not possible with the current code, but there's nothing against it apart from the fact that a backdrop bitmap must be the size of the screen
18:38:53nanokNico_P: so you don't have to do resizing padding and such on the fly. fair enough
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18:42:41Nico_Prasher: the patch looks good to me
18:43:18Nico_PI'm all for it too, so as far as I'm concerned, you're free to commit :)
18:44:28rasherNico_P: Did you notice the change in fix_path_part?
18:45:15rasherI'm not really sure I understand the need for the _part bit - it's not really time critical is it?
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18:46:19stripwaxyou could even have a stay-resident plugin that changes the background in the wps (in theory)
18:46:32Nico_Prasher: I don't understand what you mean?
18:46:39stripwaxsince plugins have access to albumart and bmp resizing..
18:47:02rasherNico_P: Why does fix_path_part take offset and length, rather than just working through the entire string until it hits null?
18:47:05stripwaxin response to what nanok suggested, that is..
18:47:29Nico_Prasher: honestly, I don't know. I didn't write that func
18:47:41rasherIt just seems a bit overengineered
18:49:01Nico_PI guess it's because we typically only want to fix the part of the path that was added with the title in it... but yeah I do agree
18:49:35rasherIt might even be just as fast (if that was the concern), since the loop becomes simpler
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18:50:43rasherWhere in the chain should this be checked btw? I think I put it after the checks in the current dir, but before moving to the parent
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18:54:21PaulPositionExcuse me while you're investigating ways to make the albumart file search more extensive, but any of you had a look at whereby some people seem to think the current file seeking *might* cause skips in audio?
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18:57:36crzyboysterSo is it possible to port this font > to a bdf/fnt format?
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18:59:33crzyboysterI've used that before, but the output is usually terrible...
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19:00:00rasherThen you're out of luck.
19:00:22crzyboysterHow was the unifont font converted to fnt format?
19:00:41rasherUnifont is a bdf file.
19:01:04crzyboysterWell, I'll just try out the converter before complaining...
19:01:37Nico_Prasher: where you put it seems good to me
19:02:29rasherNico_P: I'll commit it and wait for complaints, then. I did some testing, but I'm having a hard time coming up with what I need to test for
19:02:54Nico_Prasher: not much I think
19:03:29Nico_PPaulPosition: I know about the issue... have you experienced it yourself?
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19:09:15PaulPositionNico_P - Sorry, nope. I thought about trying to replicate but I'd rather compile and bench Andree's tests for PP devices.. :p
19:09:27Buschel_PaulPosition: the H10-test is finished as the "02" worked fine. the results are already contained in the v12-patch
19:11:40PaulPositionBuschel - Okay.. :p So no need to pursue that bench I'm doing then. So nothing changed between 12 and 13 except for nanos or would it be useful to test for (maybe) some unexpected f***-up ?
19:11:49PaulPositionBuschel - Oh, and thanks :)
19:12:35Buschel_PaulPosition: yes, and if is noct f***ed-up -> run a bench. there are some more devices disabled
19:13:05PaulPositiongreat, going to update and compile. :)
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19:14:15Buschel_PaulPosition: but only, if you've got a nano −− for H10 nothing changed.
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19:15:40PaulPositionlol. Okay that's what I thought at first. :p
19:16:11PaulPositionso no further testing then unless I missed something.
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19:32:46crzyboysterI just tried converting the font to fnt format, but it came out nonfunctional...
19:33:22crzyboysterAnd about all of the missing Hindi lang strings, I can't really translate those as the remaining ones don't really have any translation...
19:35:08crzyboysterThe most I can do is write the strings in Hindi script, but keep the English word (like for display put in the word in devanagari script)
19:35:21crzyboysterWould this be acceptable?
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19:39:27peppois it conceptually possible to write a skin that only displays on the lower 60% of an ipod video screen? I dropped mine and broke the upper 40% of the screen. now, if I could manage this I wouldn't have to replace it :)
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19:41:10rasherpeppo: with a bit of magic, I think you could even make an entire build that only ever touches the lower 40% of the screen
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19:41:57krazykitpeppo, it would be easy for the WPS
19:42:02peppois modifying...
19:42:11peppoah, okay. a skin/wps is the most likely candidate for this?
19:42:24krazykitpeppo, have you considered using the VoiceUI, too?
19:42:52peppokrazykit, I've not toyed with that yet. I'd rather go the battery-easy route...
19:43:10krazykitpeppo, voiceUI is really pretty easy
19:43:36*peppo checks out the docs for wps
19:44:21PaulPositionpeppo - WPS is only while playing screen, won't help a lot with browsing menus.. :p
19:44:29peppoah, that's true
19:44:47krazykitthat's why i suggested the voiceUI if you can't make the build use the lowest part of the screen
19:44:51rasherThat's why I suggested the customized build.
19:44:57pepposorry all =)
19:45:09rasherI think jdgordon or linuxstb would know where to start
19:45:11peppoI'll see if I can live with voiceui
19:45:37rashervoiceui + a custom wps might be a decent solution as well
19:47:18peppoI'll see if I can modify one of the simple wpss
19:47:45pepposeeing the menu entries would help also... :)
19:48:15Domonokypeppo: then begin with the voice ui.. :-)
19:48:29peppoyes, activating that is what I'm trying =)
19:49:00rasherresetting your settings will do that (it's on by default)
19:49:12rasheror you could edit the settings file (in .rockbox somewhere)
19:49:29Domonokyof course you need the voice file.. :-)
19:49:44peppoI grabbed the 64mb one, unzipped it
19:50:10peppoI'll mount and check the cfg
19:52:32peppohm, would "talk menu: on" not suffice?
19:52:38peppoor is there a key to press to get it to speak?
19:53:10peppon/m I'll reset my prefs
19:53:19Domonokypeppo: make sure there really is a english.voice file in .rockbox/langs
19:53:48peppojust a .lng
19:53:59peppoI grabbed and unzipped
19:54:17peppowhich doesn't contain that
19:54:43peppoheh, doh
19:54:48peppoI'd clicked not voice, but latest
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19:56:50peppohm no worky. anyone mind listing their talk/voice related prefs?
19:57:25peppop.s. I copied ipodvideo-20080119-english.voice to .rockbox/langs/english.voice
19:57:42Domonokydoes it speak now ?
19:58:29Domonokyand the language of rockbox is also english ?
19:58:50peppono, swedish
19:59:02peppothat needs to match?
19:59:13peppoalso, after I edited config.cfg to say talk menu: on
19:59:18pepposynced, unmounted
19:59:26peppoand then tried and then re-mounted
19:59:37peppoand now the line "talk menu: on" is gone
20:00:15Domonokythen just reset you settings..
20:00:38peppoworking! :)
20:01:10peppoit spells my artists
20:01:14peppoI can change this?
20:01:17peppoconfig.cfg again! :P
20:01:20Domonokyyou can also generate a swedisch voice file (if you have a swedish tts)
20:01:45Domonokyto speak dirs and files, you have to generate .talk files..
20:02:07peppoaight, is it in the menus?
20:02:09Domonokyfor the db, i think there is no speaking only spelling..
20:02:19peppodamn :(
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20:02:58Domonokyfor speaking files and dirs, you have to enable the option for it, and have the correct .talk files for this..
20:03:07peppoah, well, I only use db
20:03:30Domonokythen you only have spelling, i think..
20:03:51peppowell it'll do
20:04:06peppohm, boxes is one of the more basic themes right?
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20:04:31*peppo has it mounted and can't check
20:04:55peppobah I'm lazy, sory
20:05:57Domonokyno help for lazyness here :-)
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20:06:34peppogah, editing prefs is heeelll
20:10:54peppookay let's see if I can make this modified Rockboxed display ~100px further down
20:12:42jac0bwhich one is the viewports patch this viewports_list.patch or this viewports-wps-v1.diff
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20:18:46jac0bI take back what I said earlier about the multifont patch not working
20:18:49jac0bit works
20:18:56peppomeh, I just mess things up :/
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20:27:46jac0bviewports_list.patch is this a patch for viewports or a list patch
20:28:35LloreanWhat does the tracker entry say?
20:30:05peppois there a general way to set position for most args?
20:30:13peppoI have some %ia etc that I want to lower...
20:30:21peppobut they're only specified as:
20:30:23peppo%al %s%ac%?ia<%ia|%d2>%ar
20:30:23peppo%al %s%ac%?id<%id|%d1>%ar
20:30:23peppo%al %s%ac%?it<%it|%fn>%ar
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20:30:31peppoI want to get them ~80px down
20:30:56LloreanEither patch a build with viewports and move the viewport, or you're stuck just adding lines.
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20:35:20peppoah, okay, so %ia|n|n|n| is not ok syntax :)
20:35:38jac0bthe viewports_list patch in 8385 seems very simler to 8457 patch are they the same?
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20:41:45peppothanks everyone, I know have a theme that'll display id3 info on the working portion of my screen.
20:44:53simonrvngood luck with that
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20:49:39brent0ncan anyone direct me to the rockbox installer?
20:49:44brent0ni can't find it. :(
20:50:51PaulPositionBrent - But the Installation page in the manual should have told you.
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21:01:41mhydronicwhy does rockbox seem to lag (so much more than ipod firmware) when advancing tracks?
21:03:58soaphow many tracks are you skipping at one time, mhydronic?
21:04:29soapI ask, because if I understand the question correctly, you are describing a problem I don't suffer on my iPod.
21:07:20mhydroniceven just one
21:07:36mhydronicperhaps it is the theme i am using?
21:07:42mhydronicwhat theme do you use?
21:07:52mhydronicand how full is your ipod?
21:08:06LloreanHow full your iPod is won't affect anything
21:08:10soapa variety of themes. When you say "lag" - you mean it takes a long time for the current track to stop and the next track to start?
21:08:41mhydronicand especially if i try to skip a couple of tracks
21:08:44LloreanAs long as your next track is on buffer, it should be nearly instant. Official build, current SVN revision?
21:09:12LloreanUp to date version.
21:09:22mhydronicdo i need to set up the buffer lengths?
21:09:40soapno, but how long are the tracks in question?
21:09:54*Llorean wasn't actually answered, he notes.
21:10:09mhydroniceh.. varies.. 2 - 9min
21:10:24mhydronicllorean: its been a couple of days but in general that hasnt fixed this problem
21:10:54Lloreanmhydronic: And an official version?
21:12:28mhydronicwhat makes it official? i download it from
21:12:36mhydronicunder current build
21:12:50LloreanThat's the important bit. Not one of the unsupported builds provided by other people.
21:13:03mhydronicso is what im downloading official?
21:13:06LloreanWhat format is your music?
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21:14:02*Llorean couldn't say then
21:14:28mhydronicwhat themes do you guys use?
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21:15:43mhydronicalso, does this happen to you guys: when the backlight is off and you press play to pause it, it doesnt always work. sometimes, i really have to press it repeatedly to get it to pause
21:17:08Nico_Prasher: the missing AA log is a nice idea :)
21:17:32LloreanIt seems like something more suitable to an external app, or a "scanning" plugin to me.
21:17:42LloreanSomething you can run over your collection, and it says "These don't have AA".
21:17:47LloreanOr even in the database generation.
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21:21:41Domonokymhydronic: and you are sure to not have the option on, to only turn lcd on,on first key press ?
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21:26:40mhydronicmaybe my hdd has some bad sectors or something
21:26:58mhydronichow quickly are you guys able to access your ipod when you plug it in?
21:29:47mhydronicDomonoky: First Buttonpress Enables Backlight Only is set to No
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21:34:07PaulPositionMaybe its just slow UI because of too many eq-bands/crossfeed and such? (Or has that been improved on PP targets?)
21:34:42mhydronici dont have any of that stuff enabled
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21:40:13Buschel_soap: you really fast! it only takes you minutes to update your builds :)
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21:40:38soapwhen I'm home
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21:41:53Buschel_well, at work the rockbox forums are blocked by our IT.
21:42:14Buschel_it contains the bad word "mp3"
21:45:39mhydronicsoap: i noticed you commented in phk's forum about his phkAMP theme. have you used this theme?
21:46:09soap(not sure where this is going) but yes I have.
21:46:22mhydronicthat is one of the themes i experience the lag on
21:47:05soapyou keep bringing up themes as a variable in this saga. Is there a theme with which you don't experience the lag?
21:47:33mhydronici havent toyed with it in a while.. but the default theme may have been a little quicker
21:47:39mhydronici just dont really like it ;)
21:48:13mhydronicim not complaining. i like rockbox. was just curious if it was my ipod that was causing the delay or if there was some patch or something to fix it
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22:00:45rasherLlorean: Probably true, it's just a lot easier to do it where it's actually missing
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22:35:29soapsomeone with an ax to grind write for wikipedia?
22:35:33soap"Also, artists whose names begin with "The" are listed incorrectly. [10]"
22:36:03soapthe part talking about rockbox.
22:36:56*amiconn returns
22:36:58amiconnjhMikeS: around now?
22:37:37Bagdersoap: I interpret that as a comment about the OF...
22:39:00soapthe footnote links to the Rockbox wiki.
22:39:32Bagderhm, the [10] links to #_note-8 ...
22:40:42rasherBagder: did you see the request for commit access for updating the russian translation?
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22:49:51nanoksoap: does it also say there that because of rockbox, the sansa e200 is a product that one might actually consider buying?
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23:38:53jhMikeSamiconn: indeed
23:48:29amiconnjhMikeS: Regarding r16104, I would like to know how important the ata_init serialisation is on a single core target, i.e. whether it should be ported to other "ata" drivers
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23:50:26amiconnBtw, thanks for the Y-only mpeg decoding :)
23:51:05amiconnI checked elephants dream framerate (widescreen) on H180 and mini G2. ~38fps on H180, >130fps on mini
23:51:44amiconnThat means a ~10% speedup on H1x0; I didn't measure on mini without that improvement
23:51:53jhMikeSthose function do yields and sleeps so any thread that could access the disk and not have a public queue could be in the middle of a read/write when the USB is plugged so imo it's important to prevent that so one operation happens entirely before the other
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23:53:42crzyboysterIs it possible to have both album art conditionals and viewports support in a theme?
23:53:43jhMikeSI'm hoping to improve the Cr skipping but I'm doubtful that would be very measureable but it could just be simpler
23:53:53crzyboysterI was trying and it wouldn't work...
23:54:22rasherjhMikeS: Llorean talked about encoding files without Cr entirely - is this something you know anything about?
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23:55:33jhMikeSrasher: nothing I've looked into but I'm not aware that the standard supports it
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23:58:07AloneaLlorean: well, so far zeroing the drive on my gigabeat has seemed to fixed any system issues.
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23:58:50amiconnjhMikeS: Hmm. I didn't know that the usb code calls ata_init() - but it does so only after calling ata_soft_reset(), which is mutexed itself
23:58:50rasherjhMikeS: Alright

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