| 00:00:13 | petur | can't this be done remotely? |
| 00:00:19 | Bagder | I better mail him |
| 00:00:27 | rasher | Is that the one producing the Sim warnings? |
| 00:00:43 | amiconn | No, it's the one failing the mr500 build |
| 00:00:57 | amiconn | ...because it still has no multilibs-enabled arm-elf-gcc |
| 00:01:42 | amiconn | The sim warnings happen on many build servers now. gcc 4.2.x. |
| 00:02:06 | countrymonkey | I am posting a malformed patch to the task (8465). I don't know what's wrong. Hopefully somebody will be able to figure it out. |
| 00:02:15 | Bagder | I mailed Brad now, owner of fnarfbargle.com |
| 00:02:56 | linuxstb | countrymonkey: How did you generate the patch? |
| 00:03:37 | * | linuxstb reads back 10 minutes... |
| 00:03:41 | countrymonkey | I made the patch thenm from some suggestions editted the patch file directly. |
| 00:03:57 | petur | tsk tsk tsk |
| 00:04:15 | countrymonkey | what |
| 00:04:30 | petur | editing patches directly ;) |
| 00:04:56 | countrymonkey | What other choice did I have? |
| 00:05:10 | countrymonkey | besides patching then diffing? |
| 00:05:17 | linuxstb | That... |
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| 00:06:52 | petur | hmmm I thought FS #8488 was fixed some time ago or is my memory failing (again)? |
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| 00:07:26 | linuxstb | Maybe MoB reintroduced it? |
| 00:07:36 | * | petur tries |
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| 00:08:58 | Bagder | eigma: machine seemed to do just fine |
| 00:09:40 | scorche|w | you have an enigma machine? |
| 00:10:00 | Bagder | right, an enigma machine doing builds ;-) |
| 00:10:19 | petur | lol |
| 00:11:05 | * | scorche|w taps his foot waiting for his message to show... |
| 00:11:15 | scorche|w | hrm...i guess not |
| 00:11:39 | scorche|w | the window for the joke has closed anyway :( |
| 00:12:11 | eigma | hehehe |
| 00:12:20 | eigma | multicore enigma machine |
| 00:12:34 | eigma | I was going to say, looks like I'm churning out builds: http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/serv-20080121T223349Z.html |
| 00:12:56 | scorche|w | eigma: so were you in seattle too? |
| 00:13:09 | eigma | nope |
| 00:13:18 | eigma | I'm from and in Canadia |
| 00:13:40 | scorche|w | hrm...why was i thinking that.. |
| 00:13:49 | Bagder | silly enough checking that list made me realize my own host wasn't included |
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| 00:14:24 | countrymonkey | eigma: The place is Canada. |
| 00:14:39 | eigma | ;) |
| 00:14:48 | eigma | Ottawa here; you? |
| 00:15:38 | countrymonkey | Not in canada. And posted a fixed patch. Didn't remove sysfont string from patch. Kept it gone since those don't show right anyway. |
| 00:18:40 | amiconn | The LANG_SYSFONT_ strings a a nasty hack anyway. |
| 00:19:07 | petur | indeed |
| 00:19:24 | petur | the recording screen can have a nice rework once the viewports are in |
| 00:19:48 | petur | a fixed top part and a scrollable list below that |
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| 00:19:55 | * | amiconn wonders if our "gui experts" will do something useful and rewrite those sysfont screens in a flexible and efficient way for userfont |
| 00:20:32 | * | petur had some wild ideas about the recording screen, but no time at all :( |
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| 00:23:04 | countrymonkey | So now is the patch commitable? |
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| 00:23:48 | * | petur gives ubuntu an angry look |
| 00:23:53 | countrymonkey | S |
| 00:24:19 | countrymonkey | So now is the patch committable? (for petur's benifite; he missed it) |
| 00:24:23 | * | eigma <3 Ubuntu. |
| 00:24:30 | petur | I read the log... |
| 00:24:40 | countrymonkey | oh. |
| 00:25:06 | petur | eigma: it gave a low batt warning, I plug it into mains and 30 seconds later it forces a shutdown anyway :( |
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| 00:26:21 | eigma | petur: who did what where? |
| 00:26:24 | robin0800 | #test |
| 00:26:37 | petur | eigma: nevermind ;) |
| 00:26:54 | robin0800 | *test |
| 00:27:03 | * | petur kicks robin0800 |
| 00:27:11 | eigma | we saw the first "#test" but not the second one, "*test" |
| 00:27:20 | petur | rofl |
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| 00:31:27 | rasher | I don't think robin0800 is human. |
| 00:31:39 | jac0b | with the viewport list patch is there a way to refresh the background so this doesn't happen http://www.divshare.com/download/3558318-c8a |
| 00:32:03 | linuxstb | petur: Viewports _are_ in - they're ready for people to adapt the apps/ code... |
| 00:32:43 | petur | countrymonkey: why did you remove the user: line in espagnol.lang line 10762? |
| 00:33:25 | petur | linuxstb: oh sorry... |
| 00:33:44 | jac0b | linuxstb: viewports are in svn now |
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| 00:34:24 | linuxstb | jac0b: That's what I just told petur (I committed them...) |
| 00:34:46 | countrymonkey | Newest patch? |
| 00:35:00 | robin0800 | #rockbox echo test |
| 00:35:00 | jac0b | cool |
| 00:35:21 | linuxstb | countrymonkey, jac0b: I'm only talking about the changes to implement viewports in the LCD drivers, not the WPS or list patches. |
| 00:35:24 | robin0800 | on #rockbox echo test |
| 00:35:45 | rasher | robin0800: stop that. |
| 00:36:11 | jac0b | okay I thought you meant for all |
| 00:36:33 | countrymonkey | I'm talking about 8465. |
| 00:36:56 | petur | countrymonkey: yes, and did you intend to change the translation of LANG_RECORD_TRIGGER_STOP? |
| 00:37:02 | jac0b | have you seen this before |
| 00:37:03 | jac0b | http://www.divshare.com/download/3558318-c8a |
| 00:37:55 | jac0b | if you go to change the theme the bar freezes in the background |
| 00:37:55 | countrymonkey | I just added the voice string, so the answer is yes. |
| 00:39:06 | JdGordon|w | amiconn: wait... we have gui experts? |
| 00:39:35 | petur | countrymonkey: you removed the translation of LANG_LOADING_PERCENT, and regarding LANG_RECORD_TRIGGER_STOP, the translation was changed from "Parar" to "Para". |
| 00:39:56 | kugel | JdGordon|w: I'm at rewriting your list patch a but. It doesn't work yet, but it would be nice if you tell me if it looks "ok" |
| 00:40:03 | kugel | a bit* |
| 00:40:28 | countrymonkey | Hate this stuff. |
| 00:40:53 | petur | countrymonkey: you'll have to clean up that mess, I found more translations that you are removing in that patch. Shall I just reject it? ;) |
| 00:40:58 | JdGordon|w | kugel: sure... but unless you want MS to own the (c) its best i leave it till i get home |
| 00:41:15 | kugel | pastebin? |
| 00:41:21 | kugel | do you work for MS? |
| 00:41:45 | JdGordon|w | they own my brain while im at this desk... and yes |
| 00:41:54 | petur | that would explain a lot :p |
| 00:42:13 | kugel | :) |
| 00:42:31 | countrymonkey | Just reject the damn thing. |
| 00:42:44 | kugel | JdGordon|w: So you are one of the guys we can blame for vista? :) |
| 00:43:15 | petur | countrymonkey: done... |
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| 00:44:33 | countrymonkey | thx a lot. I'll post another patch now. Different purpose |
| 00:44:45 | petur | hrmpf |
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| 00:46:53 | countrymonkey | update to chinese translations on the way. |
| 00:48:26 | countrymonkey | no excuse this time: did in rasher's editor |
| 00:53:16 | hcs | jhMikeS: it looks like the recent kernel changes have broken SPC |
| 00:56:34 | petur | countrymonkey: is that patch on its way or will it take some time? |
| 00:57:08 | petur | nm |
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| 00:58:28 | countrymonkey | 8494 done and posted |
| 00:58:44 | countrymonkey | I speak manderin chinese, so it should be good. |
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| 01:00:48 | petur | is it better than your Spanish? :p |
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| 01:01:51 | countrymonkey | You could say that. And my japanese is in the middle. It was a mistype in the spanish (I don't speak it). |
| 01:02:15 | countrymonkey | And yes, I speak 3 langs. |
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| 01:07:20 | countrymonkey | thx. |
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| 01:13:01 | countrymonkey | Oh, by the way, my comp doesn't support typing of chinese chars so I google translated and than validated the translation. |
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| 01:39:11 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: have any other key combos been nescessary to put a gigabeat S in recovery mode? mine won't go. |
| 01:39:39 | jhMikeS | hcs: how could that be? it should have no effect and it was working for me. |
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| 01:40:04 | hcs | jhMikeS: all I know is it's freezing my ipod color now |
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| 01:42:15 | jhMikeS | hcs: instantly? H10 is running fine and the threading build is the same for those. |
| 01:42:24 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: holding left + windows doesn't do? |
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| 01:42:33 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: nope. |
| 01:42:42 | hcs | jhMikeS: the first time I tried it was a few seconds, but now it is instantly |
| 01:43:16 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: you have to do it real quick after having switched the battery off then on again |
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| 01:44:57 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: been trying holding it while powering. trying it quickly and so on. it refuses to go there. |
| 01:45:29 | jhMikeS | hcs: btw, did you try it with a boost count added? |
| 01:46:36 | hcs | jhMikeS: no, how would I do that? |
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| 01:47:15 | jhMikeS | hcs: System|Debug|CPU Frequency |
| 01:47:51 | jhMikeS | add some boost counts so it stays at 80MHz. |
| 01:49:16 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I really don't know what to say... I just flip the switch then before the progressbar appears, press the combo until the recovery screen appears |
| 01:49:23 | hcs | jhMikeS: no luck, same freeze |
| 01:50:07 | * | jhMikeS naturally has to end up with some weird version of an S |
| 01:51:40 | jhMikeS | hcs: it traces precisely to the revision with that change? what about mpegplayer? |
| 01:51:55 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: you do get the blue gigabeat screen, then the white windows mobile screen? |
| 01:52:00 | Nico_P | both with a progressbar |
| 01:52:07 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: yes |
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| 01:52:16 | hcs | jhMikeS: no, I haven't done any proper research, just jumped to a conclusion |
| 01:52:30 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: and have you tried sending a firmware file with sendfirm? |
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| 01:53:02 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: not yet. did step 1. got stuck on step 2. |
| 01:53:45 | simonrvn | is there some site where i can find h/w specs for a sansa express? |
| 01:53:48 | jhMikeS | I take it that using the hacked installer involves modding the "gigabeat V" unicode strings only? |
| 01:54:00 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: yes |
| 01:54:37 | jhMikeS | should I try the updater anyway? |
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| 01:55:45 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I guess the hacked V updater should be ok |
| 01:56:10 | saratoga | simonrvn: check the wiki and the thread in the new ports forum |
| 01:56:16 | saratoga | i believe that is all that is known about it |
| 01:56:18 | Nico_P | sendfirm requires more precautions, as without the recovery mode you'll be in trouble if you don't send a correct nk.bin |
| 01:56:25 | simonrvn | saratoga: thanks |
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| 01:57:09 | simonrvn | i'll check it out after my sid update =) |
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| 01:59:17 | countrymonkey | I don't understand 8495. Can somebody explain it to me further about why it was closed? |
| 01:59:50 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: this is the first device I've had that doesn't seem to do what others' do. it's either broken or there's a set of S models with different keypresses but heck if I know what it could be. |
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| 02:00:28 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: you could try combos of a direction + one of "back" or "win" |
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| 02:02:58 | jhMikeS | been poking...haven't hit it yet |
| 02:03:47 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: if you try sendfirm be careful to use it with a correct nk.bin file |
| 02:03:51 | jhMikeS | hit it |
| 02:03:54 | Nico_P | ah nice |
| 02:03:58 | Nico_P | what was it? |
| 02:04:12 | jhMikeS | aright...I think I'm was being incredibly stupid here |
| 02:04:26 | * | jhMikeS goes and gets a drink |
| 02:04:32 | Nico_P | hehe |
| 02:04:39 | jhMikeS | ...the other left ...not "<−−-" |
| 02:04:53 | Nico_P | ah yes I think I got confused by that too |
| 02:05:07 | * | jhMikeS goes and updates the wiki |
| 02:05:35 | Nico_P | I see the instructions for mknkboot on the wiki page are cleared than they used to be so you should be fine with it |
| 02:06:05 | Nico_P | and with the recovery mode there's no risk at all with sendfirm |
| 02:06:07 | jhMikeS | I'll clarify which left is the correct left |
| 02:06:20 | Nico_P | yeah, good idea :) |
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| 02:16:04 | jhMikeS | hmm...keep going to "3 firmware update or restoration required" now |
| 02:18:04 | Nico_P | you need to wait IIRC |
| 02:20:50 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: has it changed to 1? |
| 02:22:02 | jhMikeS | if I wait long enough |
| 02:22:19 | Nico_P | yeah, that's why the recovery mode is annoying |
| 02:22:37 | Nico_P | sendfirm makes you save quite some waiting |
| 02:23:10 | jhMikeS | it doesn't always work or do you have to go around in circles a bunch of times? |
| 02:24:44 | Nico_P | what do you mean? |
| 02:25:32 | jhMikeS | keeps going back after it says it loaded it |
| 02:25:46 | Nico_P | loaded what? |
| 02:26:44 | jhMikeS | using the installer in windows |
| 02:27:03 | Nico_P | ah I don't know about that one |
| 02:27:33 | jhMikeS | the recover brought it back though |
| 02:27:42 | Nico_P | I strongly recommend sendfirm if you have access to a linux box |
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| 02:28:07 | jhMikeS | only a VMWare one |
| 02:28:22 | Nico_P | ah, I don't know if it'll work in there |
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| 02:28:50 | Nico_P | I'm off to bed |
| 02:28:54 | countrymonkey | Why was 8495 closed? I don't understand the comment. |
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| 02:36:20 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: vmware didn't work for me |
| 02:36:38 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: also windows wouldn't work for me either |
| 02:37:04 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: in the end I did it with sendfirm from my kubuntu installation |
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| 02:45:02 | trumpet512 | e200rpatcher.linux32 won't run for me on Ubuntu Gutsy, any ideas? |
| 02:48:59 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: I tried the modded mk.bin using the recovery. Where does .rockbox/rockbox.gigabeat etc. get dumped? |
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| 03:00:52 | jhMikeS | I think the first order of business here has to be a bootloader USB mode |
| 03:01:30 | trumpet512 | fixed my problem: e200rpatcher.linux32 needs to be "chmod 755"'d before it will run |
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| 03:07:31 | XavierGr | jhmikes: have you set up the rockbox bootloader? if yes then even without the rockbox.gigabeat you should see an error when you boot rockbox |
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| 03:07:36 | Anon2997 | holy shyt..... |
| 03:07:59 | XavierGr | once you install the bootloader you can update the .rockbox folder with windows |
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| 03:11:38 | jhMikeS | I only got it to show a rb bootloader when using it plain but not after using mknkboot to join them for dual boot. I'm probably messing something up. :p |
| 03:12:07 | XavierGr | I only had to hassle with sendfirm once |
| 03:12:31 | XavierGr | after the bootloader got flashed I can update the rockbox firmware with normal windows explorer operation |
| 03:12:50 | XavierGr | though it is somewhat annoying that I always have to turn power off reset boot rockbox etc |
| 03:13:54 | jhMikeS | you just dump it in the MTP/Storage folder? wasn't working for me. |
| 03:14:23 | XavierGr | hmm, I think it worked for me, (after I got the bootloader flashed) |
| 03:14:34 | XavierGr | because at first I didn't have a .rockbox folder in there |
| 03:14:43 | XavierGr | so the bootloader would just complain and do nothing |
| 03:15:12 | XavierGr | but after I put the .rockbox folder from the mtp/storage folder it booted till the rockbox splash |
| 03:19:30 | jhMikeS | I had it in there but restart was only bringing up retailos so something went wrong during the join perhaps |
| 03:20:07 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: if restarting it only brings retailos it means that you don't have the bootloader installed |
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| 03:20:27 | XavierGr | even without the .rockbox folder the bootloader should appear when you start the device with hold on |
| 03:20:28 | jhMikeS | it is the one I used mknkboot to join |
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| 03:23:23 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: I am now confused, you said that resatarting it only brings the retailos |
| 03:26:29 | jhMikeS | yeah, with a joined nk.bin |
| 03:28:37 | XavierGr | joined you mean with both OF and rockbox bootloader? |
| 03:33:08 | jhMikeS | yeah |
| 03:38:49 | countrymonkey | When it comes to voices, is the ipodvideo 32mb and 64mb 2 targets or one? |
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| 03:40:27 | trumpet512 | Haha, new problem now - can't get Ubuntu to mount my device |
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| 04:08:23 | trumpet512 | Can you use the device itself to move files around? My OF.bin is in / but the bootloader is looking in /System/ |
| 04:08:49 | trumpet512 | And whenever I plug in to USB, it tries to switch back over to OF |
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| 04:09:38 | cool_walking_ | You can cut/paste files from the context menu. |
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| 04:10:34 | trumpet512 | Aha, thanks :) |
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| 04:19:45 | DrDnar | Downloading, via svn, the rockbox source is taking about as long as emerge xwindows. . . |
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| 04:40:43 | DrDnar | .rocks are just Rockbox's version of an EXE, right? So I can just write and compile one without needing to care about the rest of Rockbox? |
| 04:41:18 | DrDnar | Or do they depend on pointers and such that change from version to version? |
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| 04:45:43 | DrDnar | Anyone? |
| 04:45:48 | cool_walking_ | The second one. |
| 04:46:01 | cool_walking_ | You can't compile a .rock and expect it to work forever. |
| 04:46:01 | DrDnar | blarg |
| 04:46:23 | cool_walking_ | It may work through a few versions, but it'll break eventually. |
| 04:47:42 | DrDnar | hmm |
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| 05:00:41 | BRi7X | hey folks, my new (used, and loaded with other person's pictures and music haha) gigabeat arrived today... i'm about to ask a stupid question that will probably be answered with a "no" and maybe even a few "lulz" but... is it possible to format the gigabeat in a different file system like ext3 or something? (i hear fat32 doesn't quite support files over 4GB) |
| 05:01:13 | scorche | sure it is possible, but that doesnt mean any firmware is going to read it |
| 05:02:52 | DrDnar | In theory, but it'd be a lot of work to program. And yes, FAT32 cannot use files larger than 4GB. |
| 05:03:50 | DrDnar | But what do you need such large files for? |
| 05:04:41 | BRi7X | my boss needed a 7.5GB file, and i'd like to transfer it to him with the gigabeat, but i suppose i can split it at 3.98GB each |
| 05:05:03 | lontra | fyi ... i solved my problem |
| 05:05:04 | DrDnar | oh |
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| 08:12:45 | webguest08 | hey |
| 08:13:29 | webguest08 | im just wondering about the capabilities of an ipod video compared to the capabilities of the classic |
| 08:14:03 | LinusN | not sure |
| 08:14:19 | LinusN | other than that rockbox doesn't run on the classic |
| 08:14:25 | DogBoy | hehe |
| 08:14:39 | DogBoy | that's one clearcut difference in capabilities |
| 08:14:44 | webguest08 | even if the clssic firmware could be put on the video wouldnt the video not be able to support it due to the low power of the video ipods cpu |
| 08:14:45 | LinusN | so if you want rockbox, go with the video |
| 08:15:15 | LinusN | webguest08: the video and the classic have two entirely different cpu:s |
| 08:15:32 | webguest08 | is one just more powerful lol |
| 08:15:42 | LinusN | they are completely different beasts |
| 08:15:44 | webguest08 | i meen both are slow in terms of computers |
| 08:15:51 | LinusN | of course they are |
| 08:15:57 | webguest08 | haha |
| 08:15:59 | webguest08 | yta |
| 08:16:00 | scorche | either way, this discussion is offtopic... |
| 08:16:09 | LinusN | pretty much |
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| 08:20:34 | webguest32 | whats the difference between rockboz and ipod linux? are they caomparable? |
| 08:20:55 | scorche | not really...the 2 projects have different goals |
| 08:21:14 | webguest32 | what are some of the goals between the 2? |
| 08:22:00 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodLinux |
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| 08:22:48 | scorche | IPl likes to focus on "apps and games", while rockbox focuses (most of the time) on being the best audio player it can be |
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| 08:24:16 | webguest32 | why are the adio codecs for rockbox not as good as the apple firmwares? |
| 08:24:24 | scorche | huh? |
| 08:24:25 | LinusN | who said that? |
| 08:25:04 | webguest32 | said what? about the codecs? |
| 08:25:07 | LinusN | yes |
| 08:25:29 | LinusN | what do you mean by "good" in this case? |
| 08:26:20 | webguest32 | oh that is just my opinion i had rockboz for about a month and it seeded as if the codecs didnt help to produce sound with bass it was like a tone def sound if you know what i meen |
| 08:26:34 | scorche | no i dont, really... |
| 08:27:06 | scorche | people usually say rockbox sounds better (although that statement isnt necessarily correct either) |
| 08:27:14 | simonrvn | um, i'm logged in on the wiki, but i can't edit my own topic o_O |
| 08:27:53 | webguest32 | like lets say i go and play hip hop it doesnt have as much bass on rockbox as it would if i used the apple firmware |
| 08:28:22 | scorche | simonrvn: have you been granted wiki write rights? |
| 08:28:23 | NielsE | the manual sais something about download.rockbox.org/rbutil, but that page is nonexistent |
| 08:28:32 | scorche | webguest32: and have you tested this? |
| 08:28:49 | simonrvn | scorche: trying to edit my own topic. one would assume one can edit one's own topic :) |
| 08:29:03 | * | GodEater sees he has arrived in time for another "Rockbox sounds like a bag of shit" conversation :) |
| 08:29:07 | simonrvn | scorche: Main/UserName (this case SimonRaven) |
| 08:29:07 | scorche | you didnt anser my question... |
| 08:29:18 | webguest32 | im basing this of personal experience |
| 08:29:21 | simonrvn | no apprently not |
| 08:29:28 | webguest32 | what? |
| 08:29:37 | simonrvn | apparently* |
| 08:29:43 | scorche | webguest32: every valid test that have been performed leads to the conclusion that you are imagining that |
| 08:30:07 | scorche | although, i would love to see some RMAA tests that prove me wrong.. |
| 08:30:22 | webguest32 | imagining that it doesnt sound the same as apples codecs? |
| 08:30:27 | scorche | yes |
| 08:30:42 | scorche | if you want more bass, why dont you turn up the low shelf in the EQ? |
| 08:30:46 | webguest32 | um ok |
| 08:31:32 | webguest32 | is it possible for rockbox to ever be compatible with the 6th generation? |
| 08:31:45 | GodEater | simonrvn: you should have write rights now |
| 08:31:53 | simonrvn | GodEater: thank you |
| 08:31:58 | scorche | well, it wont become by itself...someone needs to make the effort :) |
| 08:32:13 | simonrvn | GodEater: confirmed |
| 08:32:45 | GodEater | simonrvn: now play nice :) |
| 08:32:49 | webguest32 | ya i know that but it seems like the ipod 6th generation is alot more complex in terms of the way it functions |
| 08:33:12 | scorche | webguest32: that depends on what you mean by "complex" |
| 08:33:19 | GodEater | webguest32: you're basing this on ... ? |
| 08:33:26 | scorche | the original firmware is not a good indication of that |
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| 08:34:37 | webguest32 | well if it worked the same way as the previous ipods and there was no change u could just take the 5th gen firmware and put it on the 6th gen |
| 08:34:54 | scorche | it has different hardware |
| 08:35:12 | scorche | this isnt like a program on your computer...embedded development is very different |
| 08:35:51 | webguest32 | you meen how they have to use the strings to put it all together |
| 08:36:00 | scorche | no, i dont |
| 08:36:15 | NielsE | damn, my ipod has stopped working, even before I started installing rockbox >.> it sais it needs a restore from itunes... *sigh* |
| 08:36:31 | scorche | NielsE: then restore? |
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| 08:36:46 | NielsE | yeah, brb, need a reboot for itunes:P |
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| 08:38:10 | simonrvn | GodEater: i will :) |
| 08:38:41 | simonrvn | GodEater: i run 2 instances of twiki on my (slow) server, one of them svn co, heh |
| 08:39:11 | gregrokz | does ipod linux even support 5.5 gen ipod yet? |
| 08:39:24 | GodEater | depends how you define "support" |
| 08:39:25 | scorche | yes...just like we do |
| 08:39:31 | scorche | ah...that is true |
| 08:39:37 | GodEater | it runs on it, but they don't describe it as "supported" |
| 08:39:46 | gregrokz | ok |
| 08:43:22 | gregrokz | deos anything work on the 6th gen yet? |
| 08:43:41 | GodEater | other than the original firmware, no. |
| 08:43:46 | scorche | no, and that is still offtopic |
| 08:44:39 | gregrokz | how is that off topic i was wondering if rockbox or anything works on my 6th gen? |
| 08:45:27 | scorche | you have already asked twice... |
| 08:45:53 | gregrokz | well sorry |
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| 08:52:55 | simonrvn | neat, sigmatel has kernel, toolchain, and other goodies on their site |
| 08:53:36 | * | simonrvn hasn't done a cross build in a long time ;) |
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| 09:02:06 | * | LinusN is confused by JdGordon's reply to FS #8495 |
| 09:02:44 | JdGordon | which was that? |
| 09:02:49 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: been reading the logs... do you know that the old switch is used to select between the rockbox BL and the OF? |
| 09:02:53 | LinusN | "no quotes" |
| 09:03:12 | GodEater | LinusN: he surely can't be serious.... |
| 09:03:15 | JdGordon | ah... it was a joke reply.. |
| 09:03:25 | JdGordon | yeah, combination of bad day at work and idiot user |
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| 09:04:00 | LinusN | i would have seen the joke if you also applied the patch |
| 09:04:02 | scorche | LinusN: there has been a rash of this odd spammer posing as JdGordon closing tickets for amusing reasons... |
| 09:05:01 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: yes and it wasn't doing anything for me except always booting windows |
| 09:05:06 | Nico_P | ah |
| 09:05:10 | GodEater | maybe his account has been compromised |
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| 09:05:17 | scorche | GodEater: maybe! |
| 09:05:28 | JdGordon | probably... |
| 09:05:47 | pixelma | no.. and TiMiD is not even around :\ |
| 09:06:03 | scorche | JdGordon: we are going to have to see what that spammer can come up with when we are sitting around drunk after "tucker" :) |
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| 09:06:48 | petur | so we reopen 8495? |
| 09:07:06 | LinusN | of course we do |
| 09:07:20 | GodEater | or we commit the patch and leave it closed... |
| 09:07:28 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: are you positive you used mknkoot properly? |
| 09:07:54 | GodEater | mknkboot perhaps ? |
| 09:07:57 | petur | GodEater: svn is blocked by the company firewall :( |
| 09:08:11 | GodEater | petur: then use my handy solution ? |
| 09:08:18 | JdGordon | ... its a typo in a comment which noone ever notices except they are being morons and trying to irritate us |
| 09:08:23 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: nope, though it looked proper. :) |
| 09:08:46 | Nico_P | the bootloader file it asks for is bootloader/bootloader.bin in the build dir |
| 09:09:15 | Nico_P | it also requires an original nk.bin. |
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| 09:10:41 | GodEater | Nico_P: I thought you were going to improve those intructions for using mknkboot ? |
| 09:10:53 | GodEater | jhMikeS sounds like he's having the exact same issue I was... |
| 09:11:16 | jhMikeS | GodEater: which was? |
| 09:11:42 | Nico_P | GodEater: didn't you improve them? I checked them yesterday and they seemed ok |
| 09:12:26 | NielsE | i have booted to the OF, how do I get back in to rockbox? |
| 09:12:45 | NielsE | on an ipod btw |
| 09:13:08 | scorche | hold menu and select |
| 09:13:10 | NielsE | menu middle button dit the rick |
| 09:13:13 | NielsE | yeah :), thanks |
| 09:13:14 | GodEater | jhMikeS: which was I couldn't get any rockbox code to boot on it |
| 09:13:36 | GodEater | Nico_P: I wasn't sure I had =/ |
| 09:14:10 | Nico_P | GodEater: and you weren't patching the bootloader.bin file in? |
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| 09:14:49 | GodEater | Nico_P: I seem to recall that was the problem yes |
| 09:15:02 | GodEater | now that I read the page again though I think what's on there is clear enough |
| 09:15:15 | jhMikeS | I can if I put the plain nk.bin that I built. I use "mknkboot <original nk.bin> bootloader/bootloader.bin output-nk.bin" (of course renaming "output-nk.bin" to nk.bin afterword and running an installer) |
| 09:15:49 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: that seems correct to me. it doesn't work? |
| 09:16:18 | Nico_P | output-nk.bin should be ~ the same size as nk.bin |
| 09:16:28 | jhMikeS | no. is there a problem with the mknkboot.c included in SVN or anything? |
| 09:16:53 | Nico_P | I don't think so |
| 09:16:58 | LinusN | i really don't get it. who are being morons and are trying to irritate us? |
| 09:17:20 | GodEater | LinusN: no-one - think JdGordon is just uber-grouchy today |
| 09:17:27 | PhilLight | Hi. Could I please be given write access to the wiki (user name PhilLight)? I'd like to add some new batterybench results for e200. |
| 09:17:29 | GodEater | Nico_P: I'll try with latest svn here |
| 09:17:43 | LinusN | PhilLight: hang on |
| 09:18:42 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: where did you get the original nk.bin? it seems that there are two different ones |
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| 09:19:03 | LinusN | PhilLight: done |
| 09:19:26 | PhilLight | Thanks LinusN |
| 09:19:40 | jhMikeS | btw, I can never get a proper install using a modded V30TUpdate.exe but the GigabeatSRecover/update.exe actually manages to load any nk.bin I use. |
| 09:19:48 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: the one I'm using has md5sum fb76b0025cd6bd2cc7512620ebf30b81 |
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| 09:22:28 | GodEater | Nico_P: just built a brand new bootloader, transferred with sendfirm - boots into Rockbox code fine |
| 09:22:36 | GodEater | (assuming the hold switch is on) |
| 09:23:53 | GodEater | I also found the V30TUpdate.exe was extremely flakey |
| 09:23:59 | GodEater | it wouldn't work AT ALL on one PC |
| 09:24:02 | jhMikeS | if VMWare won't work with sendfirm then I have to work around it somehow. I'm not in any position to tear this box down and install linux right now. |
| 09:24:03 | GodEater | but worked fine on another |
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| 09:24:38 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: a live CD maybe? |
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| 09:25:05 | linuxstb_ | Getting sendfirm working on Windows is going to be needed at some point anyway.... |
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| 09:25:40 | GodEater | linuxstb_: well volunteered :) |
| 09:25:58 | * | jhMikeS agrees and wonders how much trouble that is |
| 09:26:12 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: Thanks (I was volunteering jhMikeS of course...) |
| 09:26:16 | GodEater | :) |
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| 09:27:20 | Nico_P | I guess it's not too hard... someone just needs to look at microsoft's MTP SDK, assuming there is one |
| 09:27:30 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: I've no idea if it can work. It's using libmtp, so we would need to find out if libmtp can run under Windows. Alternatively, maybe win32 has the same functionality as libmtp built-in, so a windows version could use the native mtp library instead. |
| 09:28:15 | jhMikeS | If windows supports MTP fully I suspect there one way or another to manage it |
| 09:28:17 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 09:28:29 | Inv1s1ble | I just installed RockBox over this weekend and I love it. It's awesome...I just got one question |
| 09:28:49 | Inv1s1ble | I have an iPod cable for my Sony in-dash head unit |
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| 09:29:17 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: have you tried using the file explorer as XavierGr said he did? |
| 09:29:31 | Inv1s1ble | when I use it, I can hear the audio, but barely and only if I crank it all the way up. The mini jack works fine of course, but is there a way to increase the preamp to the output on the interface cable? |
| 09:29:41 | Inv1s1ble | I couldn't find anything int he FAQ |
| 09:30:33 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I did, yes |
| 09:31:34 | Inv1s1ble | bed time..I'l ask again tomorrow. g'night |
| 09:31:36 | jhMikeS | http://webscripts.softpedia.com/scriptDownload/libMtp-wrapper-Download-18133.html <== ?? |
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| 09:32:53 | Nico_P | probably worth a try |
| 09:34:35 | * | pixelma would like to know if TiMiD tested his new "fire" controls in every simulator (which can't even give 100% correct feedback) and wonders why he isn't around... |
| 09:34:42 | GodEater | toffe82 found the MS MTP dev kit somewhere |
| 09:35:04 | GodEater | it's where he got his MTP conversation dump of the firmware upgrade process from |
| 09:35:13 | Nico_P | http://msdn2.microsoft.com/fr-fr/windowsmedia/bb190309(en-us).aspx that page is linked by the wikipedia article about MTP |
| 09:35:25 | pixelma | I'm afraid of some stupid plugin button action conflicts like the ones in clock and metronome which aren't even solved yet :( |
| 09:35:31 | LinusN | how is the gigabeat s progress nowadays anyway? |
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| 09:37:00 | Nico_P | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=A2E73160-E862-4F19-BB26-C0CAFE798955&displaylang=en "MTP porting kit" |
| 09:37:14 | GodEater | LinusN: apparently ptw419 has managed to get interrupts working, but hasn't commited the code to do it, and no-one else has managed to replicate his work. He's also gone AWOL. |
| 09:37:25 | LinusN | lovely |
| 09:37:54 | * | LinusN is tempted to buy one of those s devices |
| 09:37:58 | jhMikeS | he said in the logs what it was and seemed to be a one-liner iiuc |
| 09:38:06 | GodEater | there's a few of them around now LinusN |
| 09:38:30 | * | GodEater shrugs. All I know is aliask says he still can't make them work. |
| 09:38:46 | scorche | LinusN: scorche's super special shipping services? :) |
| 09:39:05 | pixelma | LinusN: don't you know that they are called "gigabeast" - a term invented by preglow by means of typo... ;) |
| 09:39:28 | LinusN | pixelma: lol |
| 09:39:38 | petur | that 'ZIF-IDE adapter' mail poster has also gone AWOL :/ |
| 09:39:46 | LinusN | petur: not at all |
| 09:39:58 | LinusN | he is sending me one |
| 09:40:00 | scorche | pixelma: and so accurate of a term... |
| 09:40:12 | pixelma | exactly |
| 09:40:41 | petur | LinusN: I sent him a mail asking to set up something outside the ML so others can apply to but I'm not getting any response |
| 09:41:19 | petur | +o |
| 09:42:57 | LinusN | i see |
| 09:43:48 | petur | there are some die-hard h1x0 users at taperssection that would love to have the adapter |
| 09:44:29 | petur | (if it works) |
| 09:45:06 | LinusN | it looks like the adapter might not fit in an H1x0 after all, we'll see |
| 09:46:14 | petur | which reminds me that I still need to order a big CF card for my h320... |
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| 09:50:51 | petur | LinusN: do we have an http server for svn? |
| 09:52:29 | NielsE | I would really like to thank you all for rockbox, it plays all my ogg and flac music, and being able to play mpeg is just amazing, so thanks ^^ |
| 09:53:02 | markun | NielsE: yes, it's pretty amazing :) Which player do you use? |
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| 09:53:38 | NielsE | markun: an ipod nano |
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| 10:03:22 | pixelma | the new "fire" in a c200 sim I currently can't - change the flame type and "flame moving" (I compare to the target with an older build, it was done with left and right) and I can't quit (short press of power) |
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| 10:05:17 | pixelma | probably due to the fact that again "generic directions" and "generic actions" are combined, something that also causes conflicts in pictureflow for example :\ |
| 10:07:10 | pixelma | I'd rather see the plugin button action part of TiMiD's commit was reverted |
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| 10:09:06 | NielsE | Unsupported codec for output stream #0.1 <−−- when I try to convert a movie with ffmpeg |
| 10:09:26 | NielsE | any idea's? I am running ubuntu |
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| 10:17:42 | at0m|c | NielsE, tried this script? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-40126.html |
| 10:17:58 | at0m|c | oh, it's for ipod nano |
| 10:18:07 | * | pixelma is tempted to make said patch and commit it just to get TiMiD here - but stops talking to the wall for now :( |
| 10:18:08 | at0m|c | sorry, link is for iriver h340 |
| 10:18:26 | NielsE | kj |
| 10:18:30 | petur | pixelma: just do it |
| 10:20:01 | NielsE | at0m|c: I think I can still use the script if I change the resolutions and stuff |
| 10:20:14 | at0m|c | NielsE, right.. |
| 10:23:53 | NielsE | at least its encoding now :) |
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| 10:33:13 | NielsE | :-O, frozen bubble, thats asoum (a) |
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| 10:40:54 | NielsE | at0m|c: I got it working, thanks :) |
| 10:41:55 | at0m|c | NielsE :) |
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| 11:13:35 | pixelma | the changes in the fire commit also don't stick to the coding style rules (expecially the note about braces) - I remember he was told last time |
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| 11:30:11 | amiconn | Bah, plugin action cr@p |
| 11:35:19 | * | amiconn votes for banning plugin actions. Immediately. |
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| 12:07:14 | pixelma | huh, the mpegplayer icons are built for the mono (Archos) targets? |
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| 12:14:30 | pixelma | and all three sizes of those are built for every target... |
| 12:14:51 | Bagder | the bmps are built badly in the build system in general |
| 12:14:57 | Bagder | and we need to fix that one of these days |
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| 12:15:51 | pixelma | this is a problem in plugin/bitmaps/mono/SOURCES... jhMikeS? |
| 12:16:05 | Nico_P | Bagder: whats the problem with the bitmaps? |
| 12:16:17 | Bagder | they're built too often |
| 12:16:25 | Nico_P | ah |
| 12:16:28 | Bagder | the auto dependency stuff gets mighty crazy |
| 12:16:32 | pixelma | e.g. when building voices |
| 12:16:38 | pixelma | IIRC |
| 12:16:46 | Bagder | yes, as an example |
| 12:18:27 | pixelma | why do I get 3 times "Header parsed" after a "make install" or "make zip"? Can't remember seeing this before |
| 12:21:43 | Nico_P | pixelma: I think it's convbdf telling this since saratoga's big commit |
| 12:21:51 | Nico_P | s/telling/saying |
| 12:23:44 | pixelma | thanks for the info |
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| 12:34:47 | pixelma | on my Ondio, "fire" just hangs - there's nothing on screen and when I press "off" the player restarts as if it was hanging completely... |
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| 12:43:50 | pixelma | current SVN fire as well as my patched version without plugin actions, so there must be something else wrong with this commit |
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| 12:50:26 | pixelma | daily build version (1 revision before this commit) works fine |
| 12:51:39 | Bagder | is 'etch' testing or stable? |
| 12:51:55 | * | Bagder curses stupid debian names |
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| 12:57:09 | * | GodEater echoes Bagder's curses |
| 12:57:17 | jhMikeS | pixelma: oops, I let those images build on non-SWCODEC? |
| 12:58:02 | pixelma | jhMikeS: there is no definition when which bmp should be compiled in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/bitmaps/mono/SOURCES?r1=15990&r2=15991 |
| 12:59:15 | Nico_P | Bagder: I think etch is stable |
| 12:59:22 | jhMikeS | all three sizes should be built into mpegplayer but only for SWCODEC. doh. |
| 12:59:30 | Bagder | yeah it seems etch is stable |
| 12:59:38 | Bagder | debian 4.0 since july 2007 or so |
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| 13:00:37 | pixelma | jhMikeS: so it choses the size dependent on font size, or why do you need all three? |
| 13:03:40 | jhMikeS | yes, everything is scaled to the UI font |
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| 13:04:04 | pixelma | ok, but definitely not needed on my Ondio :) |
| 13:13:15 | jhMikeS | fixed |
| 13:14:03 | pixelma | ok "fire" is crashing my M5, too... |
| 13:14:26 | * | pixelma now votes for reverting the complete commit |
| 13:15:30 | pixelma | should have tested before, would have saved me the work on extracting only the plugin action part... |
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| 13:20:24 | pixelma | to be fair I tested my other target as well, and on c200 I get *PANIC* Stkov (0)... at least this is the only one that tells me something... |
| 13:26:02 | jhMikeS | with no thread name? that indicates something internal getting trashed. |
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| 13:32:22 | pixelma | well, I prepared everything to revert the commit - it crashes all my three targets (and archs) and the sim runs but I could see there that not all controls work anymore due to the fact how button actions are set up there now (e.g. with a c200 sim: conflicts with what the left/right and power button do) |
| 13:37:42 | petur | just do it |
| 13:39:28 | Llorean | amiconn: I second the motion to remove them. |
| 13:39:44 | Llorean | pixelma: I agree with petur. Bad commits should be removed *before* anyone else has a chance to write bug reports on them. |
| 13:40:01 | Bagder | go go go |
| 13:40:05 | pixelma | typing the command line as we speak :) |
| 13:40:20 | Bagder | type faster! ;-) |
| 13:41:41 | jhMikeS | I'm not sure plugin actions should be removed but perhaps thought through and the only standard one being the quit action |
| 13:45:39 | Llorean | Plugin actions should maybe be mutually exclusive somehow? So you can't mix two sets? |
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| 13:46:32 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: just a small thing I'd like to confirm with the S... you do know that the rockbox BL will only show up once the progressbar from the OF's bootloader is full, right? |
| 13:47:26 | jhMikeS | I didn't know that but I did leave hold turned on all the way until the main menu showed up |
| 13:47:47 | Nico_P | oh then it shouldv'e worked |
| 13:47:54 | Nico_P | :/ |
| 13:49:17 | pixelma | Llorean: I'd think so too. That could potentially end up in hundreds of contexts (which are then hidden away in another file) or hopefully they would be used less and only in a few plugins where they would make sense (where you could call the controls generic). |
| 13:50:53 | pixelma | "hidden away" - compared to just defining the buttons in the plugin |
| 13:54:17 | jhMikeS | I can see actions in plugins as useful but perhaps all they should be is #defines or enums for suggested mappings and the plugin should just use action apis directly without predetermined keymaps. |
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| 13:57:58 | pixelma | all I could see with the current system of plugin button actions is that there are troublesome - easy to get conflicts which means some controls are not working. I could name 4 such examples off the top of my head and I don't know how to solve them (easily). |
| 13:58:15 | pixelma | s/that there/that they |
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| 14:02:36 | pixelma | I mean fixing them while keeping actions |
| 14:02:45 | jhMikeS | that's why I suggest that if a plugin uses actions, it defines the table itself in the plugin. they can simplify the switch statments in the code and still allow button assigments to be reused where appropriate. I agree the current way isn't the right approach. |
| 14:05:21 | * | jhMikeS votes to remove the actions entirely unless a friendlier way is adopted |
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| 14:08:42 | kugel | I think pla is really handy in some plugins |
| 14:09:28 | Llorean | kugel: Handy only in that it makes it a little bit simpler fora plugin writer, and leads to problems for users because of that |
| 14:09:32 | pixelma | and a major pita if there are conflicts... |
| 14:09:45 | Llorean | Making development easier is all well and good, but not at the expense of the users. |
| 14:09:54 | kugel | I'd like to see only 1 very generic pla context, with only like 6 actions (directions and select, plus exit) |
| 14:11:04 | jhMikeS | how many plugins in the entire set actually use it or could? |
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| 14:11:46 | Llorean | The problem is that on, for example, wheeled targets, you might want "left/right" to be the wheel, or "up/down" to be the wheel depending on what screen you are in your plugin |
| 14:13:25 | kugel | Llorean: That's not generic anymore imo. If someone wants to use scroll wheel, he shouldn't use pla. At least according to my idea of very generic pla |
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| 14:14:17 | Llorean | So, basically, the generic system is useless on targets that have a wheel? |
| 14:14:26 | jhMikeS | The only annoying inconsistency in plugins imho is the exit key (combo) |
| 14:14:34 | kugel | though, having no pla isn't a real problem imo. |
| 14:14:48 | kugel | jhMikeS: agreed. |
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| 14:16:02 | kugel | Llorean: Why useless? e200 and iPods have keys that can be used for directions. The scroll wheel isn't allways proper to be used. |
| 14:16:39 | kugel | I.e. robotfindskitten, as of now, for the e200 the scroll wheel is being used instead of up/down |
| 14:17:13 | Llorean | The only place the wheel shouldn't be used, really, is movement across a grid. Sudoku, Jewels, RfK, etc. A few games, basically |
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| 14:17:43 | Llorean | Even then, in many cases, a wheel is appropriate. With a fast wheel motion, one could traverse the entire Jewels grid quickly |
| 14:18:03 | * | hcs believes wheel should be used for horizontal motion in rockblox |
| 14:21:29 | Llorean | I think "actions" just encourages people to use it, even if it doesn't lead to the most appropriate controls for the hardware. A lot of plugin authors who don't own the target will just use actions when porting something, and if it compiles, say "okay then" |
| 14:30:54 | pixelma | Llorean: I like how the movement in a grid with a wheel is done now in minesweeper (additionally to the buttons and then scrolling through all fields, not just a line) |
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| 14:34:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Morning! |
| 14:35:09 | broom | Hello. What do you think about changing the initial mode in the pitch screen from 'fine' to 'semitone'? I find myself using the latter more often. |
| 14:35:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think set it to however you like it. No one here can twist your arm about it. :) |
| 14:36:00 | broom | IIUC, it's just a matter of changing the initial value of static int pitch_mode to PITCH_MODE_SEMITONE in screens.c |
| 14:36:25 | broom | LambdaCalculus37: this setting is not stored, that's the problem. |
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| 14:38:14 | GodEater | broom: a better solution then would be to make it save? |
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| 14:38:22 | GodEater | rather than changing the default for everyone |
| 14:38:34 | MojoMoo | hi |
| 14:38:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, giving people the option to save the setting would work. |
| 14:40:41 | at0m|c | being able to store the setting and maybe the steps would be nice |
| 14:41:33 | MojoMoo | Do I need all the pacman.<insertrandomnumberhere> files to play Pacbox? I found a Midway Pacman rom and it only contained pacman.6* |
| 14:41:33 | at0m|c | if only just for the default switch |
| 14:42:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | MojoMoo: Yes, and no asking for them here. |
| 14:42:45 | MojoMoo | k, thanks |
| 14:43:09 | broom | GodEater: Yes, there was a talk about this but nothing's happened since then. I don't remember the details but the proposals were good. |
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| 15:04:50 | broom | GodEater: ah, I'm wrong. The proposals were about saving the pitch itself, not the pitch screen mode. |
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| 15:10:17 | femto | hi all, could give me some write access to my personal wiki page 'HansDieterStich'? TIA! |
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| 15:16:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | femto: Sure, one of the boys will help you out. |
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| 15:22:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | femto. Adding you now... stand by. |
| 15:23:13 | petur | done ;) |
| 15:23:25 | * | LambdaCalculus37 needs to be faster next time ;) |
| 15:26:19 | femto | LambdaCalculus37: thanks a lot! |
| 15:27:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | femto: Actually, thank petur. He took care of it. |
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| 15:30:13 | femto | petur & LambdaCalculus37: oops, sorry, thanks to you both for your help and patience! :) |
| 15:31:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | femto: No problem. Enjoy! |
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| 16:36:24 | saratoga | would anyone mind if i made convbfd not print header parsed when theres no parseing error? |
| 16:36:40 | saratoga | it seems somewhat ridiculous to print that to standard error if everything works correctly |
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| 16:47:16 | markun | saratoga: I think that's some debug I committed years ago by accident :) |
| 16:48:48 | markun | git blame: 78611990 (markun 2005-12-06 13:27:15 +0000 461) fprintf(stderr, "Header parsed\n"); |
| 16:50:16 | saratoga | ha |
| 16:50:20 | saratoga | so can i remove it? |
| 16:50:40 | markun | sure |
| 16:50:53 | saratoga | the curren tbuild script throws away stderr output, which is less then optimal since you don't know when a font fails to build |
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| 17:18:42 | kugel | rasher: hey, do you compile your sims using cygwin or mingw32? |
| 17:18:55 | rasher | kugel: mingw32 |
| 17:19:04 | kugel | expected that, thanks |
| 17:19:32 | rasher | Which causes some console problems that I've no idea how to fix (there's no console output, it seems) |
| 17:21:56 | kugel | Hmm, haven't used a windows sim in the console yet. |
| 17:23:25 | rasher | The −−debugwps switch is apparently useless |
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| 17:23:38 | rasher | With my sims (or any compiled with mingw32), that is |
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| 17:38:12 | pixelma | rasher: same here |
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| 18:06:01 | Tyroazard | Uhm, I formatted my ipod without itunes (Meaning, using Windows' format via My Computer), and now it won't boot. |
| 18:06:09 | Tyroazard | I did something stupid, didn't I? ._. |
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| 18:06:39 | Tyroazard | Oh yes, I installed Rockbox on it before disconnecting it. |
| 18:06:43 | krazykit | Tyroazard, yes, but not unrecoverable. itunes should be able to restore it. |
| 18:07:09 | Tyroazard | Gah. I dislike iTunes. |
| 18:07:20 | krazykit | yes, but you LIKE your ipod, right? |
| 18:07:27 | Tyroazard | I wanted to have my ipod as apple free as possible, too. |
| 18:07:51 | Tyroazard | So, meh, thanks though. Going to download iTunes |
| 18:08:52 | krazykit | well, if you had a mac or a linux box, you could use the manual method |
| 18:09:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Tyroazard: Rockbox does not yet COMPLETELY replace the firmware on iPods. The original firmware is still needed. |
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| 18:09:21 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: not quite true |
| 18:09:24 | Tyroazard | I have Ubuntu on my iMac |
| 18:09:26 | Tyroazard | ._. |
| 18:09:27 | GodEater | we still need what's in flash |
| 18:09:36 | GodEater | the apple firmware can be chucked though |
| 18:09:58 | krazykit | Tyroazard, that'll work if you want to do the manual method. totally up to you. |
| 18:10:05 | Tyroazard | Too much trouble right now, though. So I'll just get iTunes. |
| 18:10:25 | Tyroazard | Again, I end up wishing I didn't try to mod it. |
| 18:10:51 | GodEater | why did you format it anyway ? |
| 18:11:20 | Tyroazard | To rid it of as much Apple as I can? |
| 18:11:29 | scorche|w | why? |
| 18:11:29 | Tyroazard | ._. |
| 18:11:34 | Tyroazard | Actually |
| 18:11:42 | Tyroazard | I just wanted a cleanup |
| 18:12:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Tyroazard: You sure you're not one of Stallman's guys? :) |
| 18:12:08 | GodEater | well formatting it (the bit windows considers a hard drive) won't acheive that anyway |
| 18:12:23 | GodEater | you'd need to repartition it to do that, and then it'd be non-functional |
| 18:12:48 | Tyroazard | Well, most of the music I had on the iPod was added in through Floola, and in the hidden music folder |
| 18:13:09 | Tyroazard | I wanted to have them on for.. uh.. er.. |
| 18:13:16 | Tyroazard | Yeah. |
| 18:13:17 | GodEater | so basically you've just formatted the drive as NTFS now I presume ? |
| 18:13:21 | GodEater | instead of FAT32 ? |
| 18:13:24 | Tyroazard | Nah, it's still FAT32 |
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| 18:13:32 | GodEater | then that shouldn't have broken anything at all |
| 18:13:46 | Tyroazard | ._. |
| 18:13:55 | Tyroazard | Strange, let me try to boot it up again. |
| 18:14:09 | Tyroazard | It doesn't have any response. |
| 18:14:26 | GodEater | "no response" ? |
| 18:14:35 | Tyroazard | Yeah, no response. |
| 18:14:44 | Tyroazard | No Apple logo showing |
| 18:14:49 | Tyroazard | No screen lighting up |
| 18:15:03 | GodEater | and you've done a hard reset on it ? |
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| 18:15:19 | Tyroazard | I've formatted it through My Computer in Windows, yes. |
| 18:15:25 | Tyroazard | Oh |
| 18:15:27 | Tyroazard | You mean |
| 18:15:30 | Tyroazard | Yes, I have. |
| 18:15:32 | Tyroazard | >.> |
| 18:15:50 | GodEater | well that should produce an apple logo |
| 18:16:39 | Tyroazard | Come to think of it, I may have absent mindedly turned the ipod off with the start/pause button. |
| 18:16:41 | Tyroazard | .. |
| 18:16:54 | Tyroazard | Well, that was stupid of me. |
| 18:17:30 | GodEater | doesn't matter - a hard reset would still boot it again if you performed it properly |
| 18:17:47 | Tyroazard | Elaborate? |
| 18:17:59 | GodEater | a hard reset always boots an ipod |
| 18:18:15 | Tyroazard | Trying that, doesn't seem to work |
| 18:18:35 | Tyroazard | Oh, there we go. |
| 18:18:38 | Tyroazard | Much better. |
| 18:18:43 | Tyroazard | Thank. |
| 18:18:49 | Tyroazard | Gah, typos, Thanks |
| 18:19:09 | GodEater | so you have a working ipod now ? |
| 18:19:12 | GodEater | both apple and rockbox ? |
| 18:19:18 | Tyroazard | Uh, still no Apple |
| 18:19:30 | Tyroazard | I don't think so, at least. |
| 18:19:46 | GodEater | turn it off, then back on, and immediately flick the hold switch to on ? |
| 18:19:52 | GodEater | you *have* read the manual right ? |
| 18:20:32 | Tyroazard | Yeah, but the last time I did this (Install Rockbox), I did it over a original firmware instal- |
| 18:20:40 | Tyroazard | Here we go, OF's still on it |
| 18:20:58 | GodEater | it's very hard to do an install over the OF |
| 18:21:02 | GodEater | it's not a documented procedure |
| 18:21:11 | GodEater | the default install leaves the OF on there |
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| 18:21:37 | Tyroazard | Ah well. |
| 18:21:50 | GodEater | there's no good reason to remove it as far as I'm concerned |
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| 18:22:39 | Tyroazard | Hey look, the USB mode works again. |
| 18:22:46 | Tyroazard | (In Rockbox) |
| 18:23:00 | Tyroazard | I seem to recall someone saying that it was broken? |
| 18:23:33 | krazykit | well, usb on portalplayer devices (ipods, sansas, h10?) only has usb charging right now |
| 18:23:39 | GodEater | there isn't a usb mode in rockbox |
| 18:23:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Tyroazard: No, it's not complete yet. That's what that person must've meant. |
| 18:23:55 | Tyroazard | So it works on the iPod, I assume? |
| 18:24:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | No, just charging. |
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| 18:24:17 | GodEater | we still use the apple emergency disk mode |
| 18:24:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | You need to use the OF or Disk Mode on the iPod to do any file transfers. |
| 18:24:30 | Tyroazard | Oh. |
| 18:24:39 | GodEater | the problem is at the moment is that auto switching into this is hit and miss when connecting to a windows host |
| 18:24:45 | Tyroazard | But.. Rockbox showed a USB plug |
| 18:24:46 | GodEater | it's fine for linux / mac for soem reason |
| 18:24:47 | Tyroazard | Rebooted |
| 18:24:59 | Tyroazard | And turned into a alternate Do Not Disconnect screen |
| 18:25:11 | GodEater | this would be the emergency disk mode I just mentioned |
| 18:25:27 | Tyroazard | Ah, I see. |
| 18:25:40 | Tyroazard | But what about the USB plug that shows for a while? |
| 18:25:55 | GodEater | thats rockbox detecting the connection |
| 18:26:01 | GodEater | nothing more |
| 18:26:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Tyroazard: Rockbox does detect the connection, but can't do anything with it. |
| 18:26:10 | * | GodEater goes home |
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| 18:26:21 | Tyroazard | I see. |
| 18:26:45 | abadtooth | Hey guys, do any of you know how to take a screenshot with rockbox? |
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| 18:28:16 | Tyroazard | People seem to leave whenever someone asks a question.. |
| 18:29:03 | abadtooth | :( |
| 18:29:09 | abadtooth | What was your question? |
| 18:29:23 | Tyroazard | Hmm? |
| 18:29:36 | PaulPosition | Abad - Two possibilities : either you use the UIsimulator, which is *very* useful for WPS creation and such, or you use the 'screen dump' function in the debug menu. It's 'stay resident' and will create a bmp every time you plug in, out, the usb cable (I think there's no need for it to be attached to the computer).. |
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| 18:29:50 | PaulPosition | Abad - Been a while, so I'm unsure of the details, but that's about how you'd do. |
| 18:30:13 | Tyroazard | Uhm, is building database supposed to take a while? |
| 18:30:22 | abadtooth | PaulPosition: Okay thanks! |
| 18:30:25 | Tyroazard | I only have like.. 70 songs |
| 18:30:26 | Tyroazard | ._. |
| 18:30:35 | abadtooth | Tyroazard: like how long? |
| 18:31:08 | Tyroazard | I don't know, it's just staying at Building database... 14 found (PREV to return) |
| 18:31:11 | abadtooth | I have a few hundred and it takes less than a minute.. |
| 18:31:14 | PaulPosition | Tyro - Shouldn't be too long... But when it's done (you can usually tell by the disc-activity icon not lighting on) you still need to reboot the player to commit the database to memory. |
| 18:31:33 | PaulPosition | Oh... lol, seems like db has changed since last time I used it.. |
| 18:31:51 | Tyroazard | I don't think the iPod has a disc activity icon ._., does it? |
| 18:32:00 | PaulPosition | (ie, it worked in the background, no status update screen like you seem to get) |
| 18:32:19 | PaulPosition | Sorry for outdated info.. :( |
| 18:32:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Tyroazard: It does. It's a little spinning icon on the top left corner of the screen. |
| 18:32:54 | Tyroazard | Not there |
| 18:32:55 | Tyroazard | ._. |
| 18:33:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | On Rockbox or OF? |
| 18:33:06 | Tyroazard | Rockbox |
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| 18:33:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | Top right then. |
| 18:33:38 | Tyroazard | Let's see.. the top of the screen from the left |
| 18:34:10 | Tyroazard | Battery, little triangle, square, arrow, 01:34 |
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| 18:37:09 | PaulPosition | Tyro - Maybe the db engine chokes on one of your files.. It happens, I think, when the id3 info for a file is too large (like a 1024*1024 embedded album art gfx).. :( |
| 18:40:01 | w23 | Hello there. I'm trying to make another build server for you and ran into some problems with building m68k cross compiler. The rockboxdev.sh script uses binutils-2.16.1 which apparently prevents gcc from being built (with Error: operands mismatch −− statement 'fmovem.l%fpcr,%d1' ignored). Internets say that this is fixed in 2.17, however rockbox refuses to compile with it. |
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| 18:40:58 | Tyroazard | So, how to fix? |
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| 18:41:07 | Tyroazard | It's still building, by the way. |
| 18:41:21 | Tyroazard | Guh. |
| 18:41:35 | Tyroazard | Time to dive into the ipod |
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| 18:42:17 | w23 | I have freebsd 6.whatever machine running on amd64 arch. And I was able to setup working building environment on gentoo with its crossdev utility earlier. |
| 18:42:52 | w23 | But I'm pretty stuck here. Does anyone know what to do? :D :| |
| 18:42:55 | Tyroazard | Ah, nevermind. |
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| 18:43:04 | Tyroazard | Going to wipe out my music library too. |
| 18:43:13 | Tyroazard | I only have like.. 60-70 files >.> |
| 18:43:25 | Tyroazard | 72, actually. |
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| 18:43:43 | rasher | w23: I believe a few of the devs use freebsd, you might have luck if you hang around for a while |
| 18:43:46 | PaulPosition | Tyro - I'd try putting stuff in one album at a time.. Chances are, if one of them has too big an id3 field, it's the same along all songs from the specific album.. |
| 18:44:07 | rasher | w23: possibly markun, but I'm not entirely sure |
| 18:44:13 | Tyroazard | Oh right! I remember why I reformatted my iPod |
| 18:44:43 | Tyroazard | Windows was whining about a Data Error and not being able to create files because they exsist. |
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| 18:46:34 | w23 | rasher: thanks. |
| 18:46:50 | amiconn | Llorean: If you make plugin action contexts exclusive, you drop the whole point of it. Hence the whole concept can be dropped |
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| 18:48:31 | amiconn | It means you would basically need one context per plugin - not really different from defining the buttons directly, apart from the added complexity (actions defined somewhere else) |
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| 18:49:24 | amiconn | That is, the contexts could be defined within the plugin, if using the action *code* gives any advantage over plain button code |
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| 18:51:13 | Tyroazard | One last thing, is there any way to see how many dbs my music is playing at? |
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| 18:51:35 | Tyroazard | Some of the themes display volume as -58db to +6db |
| 18:51:39 | Tyroazard | What's the original? |
| 18:51:50 | * | amiconn wonders what the problem with the crashing fire.rock was |
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| 18:52:37 | PaulPosition | Tyro - That's how most audio systems work. 0db being the max volume without distortion. |
| 18:53:01 | Tyroazard | But how many db is the original file playing at? |
| 18:53:02 | Tyroazard | ._. |
| 18:53:20 | PaulPosition | Tyro - That said, how many db could'NOT be told because that depends on hardware, headphones, etc. |
| 18:54:04 | PaulPosition | Tyro - It's all just relative. You'd need a some sort of external meter to know just how many DBs are *really* output. |
| 18:54:20 | Tyroazard | Oh well. |
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| 18:56:36 | rasher | Tyroazard: What you're seeing in the volume meter is the amount of amplification (>0) or attenuation (<0) your player is applying to the file |
| 18:56:46 | PaulPosition | Plugin vu-meter might help you compare songs and see which outputs the most, but it still won't tell you how much sound actually gets out of the headphones and pound into your eardrums. |
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| 19:02:50 | preglow | is ipodlinux completely dead or is it just me? |
| 19:03:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: No, I think there's some activity going on over there. |
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| 19:03:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://ipodlinux.org/Main_Page |
| 19:04:27 | rasher | LambdaCalculus37: Recent Blogs: 5.5g iPods are working! (Mar. 7th, 2007) |
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| 19:04:41 | preglow | yeah... |
| 19:04:42 | scorche|w | preglow: its just restin'! |
| 19:04:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's just pining for the fjords! |
| 19:04:56 | preglow | nailed to its perch |
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| 19:05:08 | scorche|w | http://cia.vc/stats/project/ipodlinux |
| 19:05:32 | amiconn | Ah, the reason for that crash is soo obvious. I'm sure TiMiD has never tested his patch on target |
| 19:05:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's not quite dead. |
| 19:05:42 | preglow | so things are happening |
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| 19:06:29 | amiconn | Trying to put a struct with big arrays on the stack will crash for sure |
| 19:06:39 | preglow | that's a quite sure sign he never tested it, yes |
| 19:06:52 | scorche|w | preglow: mainly tiny fixes and typos, it seems |
| 19:07:01 | amiconn | Smallest case (archos) means 28KB end up on stack - but the main stack is onl 8KB |
| 19:07:23 | amiconn | Ah, no, not 28KB (that wouldn't be possible), but 14KB |
| 19:08:16 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Ping. |
| 19:08:27 | amiconn | The fire array and the cooling map. |
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| 19:15:01 | Subliminaut | Hey, rockbox used to work normally on my ipod 5g but now when I plug it into my PC with a usb cord, it just charges, doesn't go into disk mode to transfer files, any ideas how I can get it to pop into disk mode when connected to a PC again? |
| 19:15:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, just shut down your iPod, then turn it on and immediately press SELECT+PLAY to enter Disk Mode. |
| 19:16:23 | Subliminaut | That's not the same.. |
| 19:16:45 | Subliminaut | I want the automatic disk mode back |
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| 19:17:58 | Buschel | paulposition: you're calling for me? :) |
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| 19:18:55 | PaulPosition | Andree - Hi. Well, yeah.. I was wondering : if I'm to test the H10 (5gb, but they're pretty much alike) for those device disabling, I'd like to know where/what to start from.. |
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| 19:19:44 | PaulPosition | Andree - ie, I dunno which patch I should edit with that commenting out/de-commenting stuff and such. |
| 19:20:02 | gromit` | :q |
| 19:20:04 | gromit` | oops |
| 19:20:08 | PaulPosition | I've tried to read your correspondance with Soap, but I must say I understand much less than he did. :o |
| 19:20:12 | Buschel | paulposition: first you should check the values of DEV_EN/DEV_EN2/DEV_EN3/GPIO32/DEV_INIT1/DEV_INIT2 via engineering menu. |
| 19:20:38 | Buschel | paulposition: DEV_INIT1/DEV_INIT2 need to be added though... |
| 19:20:48 | Buschel | in debug_menu.c |
| 19:21:14 | * | Buschel thinks about adding these changes to the patch for future debugging sessions |
| 19:21:38 | PaulPosition | Buschel - uhuh... Lemme startup vmware and have a look. Would that be done using the latest patch or should I use v10/v11 (the last few H10 changes) ? |
| 19:22:17 | Buschel | you can also use older patches, but best would be to use v13 −− thats what I have here |
| 19:22:42 | PaulPosition | Perfect. I'll poke around a bit and ask you when I get stuck :p |
| 19:22:55 | Buschel | ok |
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| 19:32:34 | saratoga | Buschel: we've got more room on the debug menu, so you might as well add them |
| 19:32:46 | saratoga | i've been thinking about adding some of the extra AS registers too |
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| 19:38:23 | Buschel_ | I'll add it to the next patch version −− there is also some interesting debugging screen for the wheeldriver added |
| 19:39:30 | saratoga | Buschel_: have you found anything about the ipod's power management chip? |
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| 19:39:59 | Buschel_ | no, but i did not search for it in the last days −− only some weeks before... |
| 19:41:03 | saratoga | well theres this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/pcf50606.pdf |
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| 19:44:16 | saratoga | i don't know if it will actually work, but that chips claims to be able to adjust the voltage supplied to the CPU |
| 19:44:37 | saratoga | which would certainly be worthwhile at 24Mhz clock |
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| 19:46:37 | Buschel_ | downloading... |
| 19:48:06 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Okay, so in debug_menu.c, DEV_EN3 shows a value that's accessed through inl(0x60006044) ... Where would I get the values for DEV_INIT1 and INIT2 ? |
| 19:48:49 | Buschel_ | just add 2 new snprintf /line++ with DEN_INIT1 and DEV_INIT2 and rebuild |
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| 19:50:08 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Okay, there are actually constants for those? ( ...sizeof(buf), "DEV_INIT1: %08lx", DEV_INIT1); ? |
| 19:50:19 | Weejay | Hi. Does anyone know if rock box will work on a sansa e260? The site states e200, but I am not sure if that is a reference to the 200 series or just that model |
| 19:50:35 | Buschel_ | paulposition: yes, these registers are defined |
| 19:50:42 | PaulPosition | e200 series, it will work allright, unless you've got a v2 version.. |
| 19:50:50 | PaulPosition | Thanks Andree. |
| 19:51:24 | BigBambi | Weejay: What original firmware version do you have? |
| 19:51:31 | Weejay | how can i determine if its a v2 version? Sorry I have not purchased it yet |
| 19:51:58 | Weejay | I wanted to make sure I buy something that rock box will support, |
| 19:52:18 | BigBambi | Weejay: With a lot of difficulty |
| 19:52:39 | BigBambi | The only sure way is to look at the original firmware version |
| 19:52:54 | BigBambi | Most also say v2 on the back of them, but without opening the box you can't see that |
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| 19:53:12 | BigBambi | And the box may mention Audible support (for v2s), but it may not |
| 19:53:46 | rasher | I think the cases where it doesn't are quite rare though? |
| 19:53:54 | BigBambi | I believe so |
| 19:53:54 | obo | but some V1s mention Audible support too |
| 19:54:10 | BigBambi | rasher: But without opening the box it doesn't help much |
| 19:54:16 | BigBambi | obo: OK, strike that one :) |
| 19:54:25 | Weejay | Darn :-( Well I guess I can buy and return if its v2. I |
| 19:54:44 | rasher | BigBambi: well, if the box mentions audible, there's a higher chance that you're getting a v2, and if not, there's a higher chance you're getting a v1 |
| 19:54:55 | BigBambi | yep |
| 19:55:10 | BigBambi | I mentioned that :) |
| 19:55:25 | BigBambi | I meant you can't see if it has v2 written on the back whilst it is in the box |
| 19:56:04 | Weejay | Guys thanks for the feedback. I got a 84 dollar gift cert from staples...so I have quite a few options to buy. I wanted to get something with video support... |
| 19:56:26 | Weejay | my coworker tells me that rock box is notorious for draining the battery. Is this true? |
| 19:56:31 | preglow | depends on the target |
| 19:56:44 | Weejay | he was talking about ipod specifically |
| 19:56:46 | preglow | on ipods, yes, rockbox does suck more battery than retailos |
| 19:56:52 | BigBambi | Weejay: Mainly on later ipods |
| 19:57:02 | preglow | but it's being worked on currently by this very nice chap we have hanging around here :) |
| 19:57:06 | * | preglow pats Buschel_ on the backj |
| 19:57:09 | Buschel_ | yep :) |
| 19:57:12 | BigBambi | Sansa loses a bit, but that looks like getting much better soon |
| 19:57:31 | * | BigBambi sends Buschel_ back to the sweatshop |
| 19:57:31 | Weejay | do I need windows to apply the firmware? |
| 19:57:34 | preglow | BigBambi: on pretty much all targets, rockbox lasts longer on a charge than the default os |
| 19:57:35 | BigBambi | No |
| 19:57:40 | preglow | ehh |
| 19:57:44 | BigBambi | preglow: Yeah, I know |
| 19:57:52 | * | preglow directs that message to the proper recipient |
| 19:57:55 | Weejay | sweet! |
| 19:58:03 | BigBambi | preglow: aha! :) |
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| 19:58:57 | Buschel_ | saratoga: just fast reading the pcf-spec. it will be quite hard to play around with the register settings without ampere meter hooked to my ipod :/ |
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| 20:03:42 | Weejay | This is the one I am thinking about buying: http://tinyurl.com/23758q |
| 20:04:37 | saratoga | Buschel_: you really need to get a USB cable and splice in an amp meter |
| 20:04:56 | saratoga | i'm half tempted to mail you one just so your work goes faster :) |
| 20:05:08 | Buschel_ | yes... but i don't want to open up (and crash) my one and only ipod :/ |
| 20:05:24 | preglow | Buschel_: pft, we'll get you another one! :) |
| 20:05:33 | saratoga | thats what I mean about the USB cable, you don't need to open the ipod that way |
| 20:05:51 | preglow | surely, the rockbox fund covers hardware busted to make rockbox better |
| 20:06:04 | saratoga | we don't currently charge the battery on the Ipods, so all the current in the cable is going to the player itself |
| 20:07:52 | preglow | are you sure all the current is drawn from usb, though? |
| 20:09:39 | Buschel_ | hmm, the only thing rockbox set in pcf are 3 register for voltage supply (2x 3V, 1x3.3V) |
| 20:09:46 | Buschel_ | *sets |
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| 20:10:00 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Okay, so prior to modifications, here's what patch v13 gives me in to debug io screen.. http://pastebin.ca/868857 (need some other values?) |
| 20:10:25 | Buschel_ | lets see... |
| 20:11:45 | JdGordon|w | has anyone else thought having an undo action for the playlist would be good? |
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| 20:17:51 | Buschel_ | paulposition: wait a few seconds, i'll post something to pastebin soon |
| 20:18:03 | PaulPosition | Buschel - No problem, take your time. :) |
| 20:18:57 | * | PaulPosition is practicing scales and arpeggios on his bassguitar in the meantime. :p |
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| 20:19:37 | saratoga | so basically we're not using the power management chip for anything but simple voltage regulation |
| 20:19:51 | saratoga | that might explain the large edge the apple firmware has in battery life |
| 20:19:53 | Buschel_ | paulposition: please add this to system-pp502x.c (you'll see the first code sequence) -> http://pastebin.com/m30764cd2 |
| 20:20:24 | saratoga | bet they run lower clock speeds at a much lower voltage then us |
| 20:20:57 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Will do, reporting when built and tested. |
| 20:20:58 | Buschel_ | saratoga: i think i'll play around with these 3 settings. at what voltage the core should be able to run @24MHz? |
| 20:21:18 | saratoga | Buschel_: try a little lower and see if it crashes! |
| 20:21:27 | saratoga | you won't damage anything by undervolting |
| 20:21:43 | saratoga | whats it running at now? |
| 20:21:46 | Buschel_ | saratoga: i know, but what is the core voltage? |
| 20:21:58 | saratoga | probably around 1.2 to 1.3v I'd guess |
| 20:22:03 | saratoga | its a 130nm chip right? |
| 20:22:15 | saratoga | the sansa runs stable unboosted at 1.1v for reference |
| 20:22:27 | Buschel_ | saratoga: only the dock connector is documented in the source, the others are unknown... |
| 20:22:34 | saratoga | or at least it does for a couple minutes |
| 20:22:42 | saratoga | Buschel_: ? |
| 20:23:31 | Buschel_ | saratoga: the source code sais 1 of those 3 registers controls some connector pin, the other 2 are unknown |
| 20:24:45 | Buschel_ | saratoga: i cannot right now as a battery bench is running (and will finish tomorrow morning) |
| 20:25:00 | Buschel_ | ahem, *test* right now |
| 20:25:18 | saratoga | bah another reason you need to start doing current readings |
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| 20:27:20 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Is it normal *all* the DEV_RS... stuff is then commented out? Compiling right now anyway, but I thought I'd ask. |
| 20:27:55 | Buschel_ | paulposition: this is ok, but i am not sure about the line in between... −− we will see |
| 20:28:36 | saratoga | alright got to do some real work today, good luck |
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| 20:28:48 | PaulPosition | Just to make sure, when you said 'add this' you really meant 'replace with' right? |
| 20:28:54 | Buschel_ | paulposition: we will do several changes ;o) btw, you do not need to do a clean build, "make" is sufficient |
| 20:29:05 | Buschel_ | yes |
| 20:29:41 | PaulPosition | Oh, well I always make clean first.. But I'll skip it next build. |
| 20:29:55 | Buschel_ | will save some time (at least on my PC) |
| 20:30:08 | PaulPosition | Oh, I'm sure it will save a lot of time ;) |
| 20:31:55 | PaulPosition | Is there a way to pipe the warnings and errors through some files or some such under debian? My vmware console doesn't let me browse back far enough and I miss quite a few lines of output when compiling. |
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| 20:40:03 | Buschel_ | paulposition: still building? |
| 20:40:09 | JdGordon|w | PaulPosition: make > output.txt |
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| 20:41:31 | PaulPosition | Buschel Copying to device. |
| 20:41:40 | PaulPosition | JdGordon thanks, I'll try that next time :) |
| 20:41:57 | Buschel_ | paulposition: your PC must nearly be as old as mine :) |
| 20:42:07 | JdGordon|w | use 2> instead of > to get stderr instead of stdout |
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| 20:44:14 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Let's just say my pc isn't much of a game platform.. Unless I want to play Grim Fandango or GrandPrix Legends.. :p |
| 20:44:26 | PaulPosition | (ie, circa 2000) |
| 20:45:21 | Buschel | mine is '99 (my wife's one, my own one was '96) |
| 20:45:29 | Buschel | sometimes it's a pain... |
| 20:46:09 | JdGordon|w | yikes.. time for new boxes :p |
| 20:46:10 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Okay, so boot without a problem. input/output screen reports the exact same numbers however.. |
| 20:46:22 | PaulPosition | lol |
| 20:46:30 | Xerion | ffs why is my h140 the only one that seems unable to give enough current to the 60GB hd... |
| 20:46:42 | Buschel | paulposition: same numbers as before the change? |
| 20:47:00 | Xerion | disk just can't spin up on battery alone :/ |
| 20:47:02 | PaulPosition | Seems so.. Maybe I f*ed up somewhere.. :p |
| 20:48:00 | Buschel | hmm, it should at least show changes in DEV_EN and DEV_EN3... we are talking about a H10, do we? |
| 20:48:09 | JdGordon|w | Xerion: dead battery? |
| 20:48:24 | Xerion | it's a new battery, i though about that before |
| 20:48:29 | Xerion | thought* |
| 20:48:34 | PaulPosition | We sure do... Let me rebuild it (without making clean) and see if maybe I didn't save that .c file soon enough :o |
| 20:48:39 | * | PaulPosition blushes |
| 20:48:40 | Xerion | the voltages seem ok |
| 20:49:03 | Xerion | even with the ac adapter plugged in the backlight flickers when the drive spins up... |
| 20:50:01 | PaulPosition | a lot? A whole lot of lots. |
| 20:50:24 | PaulPosition | (oops..) a lot of time saved, that is, from not making clean. |
| 20:51:36 | PaulPosition | bb in a minute, coffee is boiling.. |
| 20:52:01 | * | Buschel enjoys his Beck's Gold |
| 20:52:26 | Buschel | brewed in my birth town of Bremen :) |
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| 20:55:08 | Xerion | maybe I should just buy a sansa :/ |
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| 20:57:16 | Weejay | Xerion: from the commit logs it looks like sansa firmware is heavily under development |
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| 20:57:52 | Xerion | so? :P |
| 20:58:03 | Xerion | still better than an unusable h140 ;) |
| 20:58:06 | amiconn | Imho a sansa would be a significant step back compared to an H1x0 |
| 20:58:18 | Xerion | i know it would be :p |
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| 21:00:24 | amiconn | Unfortunately, remote diagnosis for the kind of problem your H1x0 shows is practically impossible |
| 21:00:34 | Xerion | i know |
| 21:01:16 | amiconn | I can imagine a ton of reasons for such behaviour, but all of them need measurements on the actual object, plus knowledge of how it behaved before |
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| 21:06:28 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Well, it has me puzzled alright, but after wiping the .rockbox folder, making sure I saved the 'system-pp502x.c' file, re-compiling and reinstalling, I *still* have the same values showing up as with straight v13 patch. |
| 21:06:35 | BigBambi | Weejay: All targets are under syngnificant development |
| 21:06:54 | Weejay | BigBambi: I was just impressed with the commit rates...didn't check any other :-D |
| 21:07:00 | Weejay | you guys are super hard at work |
| 21:07:05 | BigBambi | Weejay: Most commits (excluding hardware specific) are for a range of targets |
| 21:07:53 | BigBambi | The frontpage is commits for everything, there are no unit specific commit logs |
| 21:08:02 | Buschel | paulposition: ?? change "#if defined (IRIVER_H10)" to "#if 1" |
| 21:08:05 | Weejay | gocha. |
| 21:08:17 | PaulPosition | Buschel - I pasted the 'new' values AND my current system-pp502x.c ==> http://pastebin.ca/868948 |
| 21:08:23 | preglow | someone with ida pro should check what pcf regs apple touches |
| 21:08:25 | PaulPosition | And I'll try that. :p |
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| 21:09:49 | Buschel | paulposition: your change looks good |
| 21:10:13 | Buschel | preglow: indeed |
| 21:10:25 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Just to make sure there isn't *another* system-pp502x file, it's under firmware/target/arm right? |
| 21:10:31 | preglow | that would give us valuable hints |
| 21:10:57 | preglow | hmm, the pcf does i2c communication, yes? |
| 21:11:24 | Buschel | paulposition: no, there is only one. are you sure you updated the correct version to your device? |
| 21:11:43 | Buschel | preglow: it does |
| 21:12:05 | PaulPosition | Sure do, deleted all different rockbox folders from my desktop before copying and extracting the newish one.. (twice) |
| 21:12:06 | preglow | ahh, yes, i disassembled that part of the bootloader before |
| 21:12:20 | PaulPosition | Can I have some sort of a 'cache' problem with either vmware or xp? |
| 21:12:21 | preglow | i even found the routine that talks to the pcf, but that was the bootloader, and we're more interested in retailos |
| 21:12:28 | Xerion | amiconn, what player would you get if you had to get a new one now? |
| 21:12:51 | amiconn | preglow, Buschel: I guess that there's a similar technology transition regarding core voltages of the PP chips as in the coldfires of the same performance class |
| 21:13:10 | amiconn | Coldfire MCF5249 uses 1.8V core voltage, SCF5250 uses 1.2V |
| 21:14:04 | amiconn | So my guess is that PP5020 (and also PP5002?) uses ~1.8V, while PP5022 uses ~1.2V. That would explain the significantly reduced power consumption |
| 21:14:20 | amiconn | But I doubt that any PP OF uses dynamic voltage |
| 21:14:57 | amiconn | If the PP chips would support it, I would expect the product brief to mention it (of course keeping the details secret) |
| 21:15:21 | preglow | dynamic, no, but they might adjust it after bl |
| 21:18:37 | Buschel | paulposition: you've checked whether the new build was copied to your device? |
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| 21:18:46 | amiconn | I doubt it. And if we do dynamic voltage while the OF does not, we are (1) still doing something wrong, performance wise and (2) we're miles away from specs |
| 21:19:36 | amiconn | Although (2) might not be that important, considering that we're probably out of specs in other areas on PP, because of those darn secret specs |
| 21:19:57 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Okay, this time there was some changes to DEV_EN and DEV_EN3... http://pastebin.ca/868961 |
| 21:20:33 | PaulPosition | Buschel - And yes, I looked for date modified everytime.. Even erased the .rockbox from my device to make sure. |
| 21:20:52 | amiconn | And then, dynamic voltage would introduce a few performance related problems which are difficult to solve with the current boosting scheme |
| 21:22:06 | Buschel | paulposition: ok, now change DEV_EN2 to 0x2000 |
| 21:22:30 | amiconn | (1) boosting would have to become slower, as voltage must be allowed to build up. (2) simple 2-frequency switching means sub-optimal efficiency with dynamic voltage |
| 21:23:14 | PaulPosition | Buschel - 0x00002000 or 0x20000000 ?? |
| 21:23:23 | Buschel | 0x00002000 |
| 21:23:29 | PaulPosition | right |
| 21:23:33 | PaulPosition | figured as much. |
| 21:23:36 | Llorean | amiconn: In truth, I'm for removal of the button actions system. At least, "removal, and if someone can make it 'safe' then it can be re-added later" |
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| 21:29:33 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Hmm, I guess there's something screwy with my building process or my device or I don't know what, 'cause after I make and make zip and extract to player I get the same values in DEV_EN2 as I got before (2020 not 2000) ... Maybe a reboot is in order.. :o |
| 21:29:57 | PaulPosition | But if I re-open the .c file, the changes are there alright. |
| 21:32:00 | Buschel | you may just copy the rockbox.ipod to your device (./rockbox) |
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| 21:32:54 | amiconn | jhMikeS: around? |
| 21:33:08 | PaulPosition | I'll reboot and try again... be right back. |
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| 21:43:14 | Buschel | paul (I'll shorten you name if oyou don't mind): any news? |
| 21:43:20 | Buschel | *you |
| 21:43:44 | scorche|w | tab completion.. |
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| 21:45:07 | pixelma | scorche|w: chanting agiain? ;) |
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| 21:45:32 | zicho | Is there any planning to port rockbox to the sansa view |
| 21:46:04 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Copying to device after compiling from clean dir... Will see. :o |
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| 21:46:52 | ze | are ports ever planned for anything? i thought they were just opportunistic collisions of possession and hackability |
| 21:46:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | zicho: Some people are talking about it, but no plans are ever set in stone. Ports are done by people who are interested in doing one. |
| 21:47:14 | zicho | LambdaCalculus37, okay. |
| 21:48:48 | PaulPosition | Buschel - I'm puzzled. DEV_EN2 0x2020 again. Maybe it's the device I need to reformat or something.. :o |
| 21:49:27 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Sounds like the if def was right all along and something not-kosher's happening at my place. |
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| 21:49:33 | Buschel | hmm, rockbox does not set this bit... any effect when using 0x20 only? |
| 21:49:57 | PaulPosition | I can try that. 20 instead of 2020 or 2000 right? |
| 21:50:04 | Buschel | yep |
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| 21:54:12 | * | Domonoky just sent out a mail to the mailing list with a very early alpha of rbutil with console interface. Lets see if this is more accessible than GUI :-) |
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| 21:55:30 | musicmission | hello |
| 21:56:04 | musicmission | ĐœĐ°ŃĐŸĐŽ Đ”ŃŃŃ ŃŃŃ ŃŃŃŃĐșĐŸ ĐłĐŸĐČĐŸŃлОĐČŃĐ”? |
| 21:56:14 | BigBambi | English please |
| 21:56:29 | musicmission | Why& |
| 21:56:30 | Domonoky | musicmission: please stay english, i only see gibberish.. :-) |
| 21:56:31 | musicmission | ? |
| 21:56:39 | Llorean | musicmission: This is an English language channel. |
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| 21:56:50 | musicmission | ok sorry |
| 21:57:40 | musicmission | is anybody here? |
| 21:57:51 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Well, with 0x20 it seems it just won't boot. |
| 21:57:57 | JdGordon|w | also, your far more liekly to actually get help speaking english |
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| 21:58:00 | Buschel | paul: as I have to leave right now -> http://pastebin.com/m71a46d4b describes the needed test builds. quite a lot for H10... just give me a PM with the results |
| 21:58:17 | PaulPosition | Which, I guess, means something does happen. I'll have a look at those. |
| 21:58:32 | PaulPosition | Buschel - How much time does pastebin stuff stays alive? |
| 21:58:37 | Buschel | paul: ahh, you were faster. ok, then it may be the LCD |
| 21:58:37 | musicmission | Yes Yes help me help!!! |
| 21:58:40 | PaulPosition | Bah, I'll copypaste anyway. :) |
| 21:58:59 | Domonoky | musicmission: just ask your question.. |
| 21:59:06 | PaulPosition | Buschel - Thanks, I'll look at what I can do from there :) |
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| 21:59:51 | Buschel | paul: so, DEV_EN and DEV_EN2 is finished. then you may also enable the 4 "/* reset all allowed devices */" lines −− should work |
| 21:59:55 | musicmission | i want to study my english |
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| 22:00:30 | Buschel | paul: thanks for your support −− will have a look at your results tomorrow morning. good night! |
| 22:00:36 | PaulPosition | Same to you :) |
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| 22:01:01 | BigBambi | musicmission: If you have a rockbox question ask it |
| 22:01:49 | musicmission | ok, what is "rockbox"? |
| 22:02:10 | BigBambi | www.rockbox.org |
| 22:02:19 | BigBambi | If you don't know that, why are you here? |
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| 22:03:39 | musicmission | ok thak you, I really like a new HTML pages!!!! |
| 22:03:50 | musicmission | I need more |
| 22:03:59 | BigBambi | musicmission: This is an on-topic channel |
| 22:03:59 | musicmission | :))) |
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| 22:07:01 | david--- | g'day everyone |
| 22:07:34 | musicmission | maybe night? |
| 22:07:49 | david--- | depends on where you live |
| 22:08:24 | musicmission | ukraine |
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| 22:08:45 | david--- | in austria its 22:09 |
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| 22:08:49 | stripwax | musicmission - do you have a question about rockbox or are you just wanting to chat? |
| 22:08:51 | BigBambi | Keep on topic please chaps |
| 22:09:09 | david--- | whats topic? |
| 22:09:20 | BigBambi | Rockbox |
| 22:09:26 | david--- | lol |
| 22:09:28 | Domonoky | R_O_C_K_B_O_X |
| 22:09:32 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 22:09:51 | david--- | not anything specifik? |
| 22:09:53 | BigBambi | If you have a question related to rockbox, ask it. If not keep quiet please. This is a logged develpment and support channel |
| 22:10:11 | david--- | i was just boared |
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| 22:11:06 | david--- | quiet like in a church, ill go somwhere else |
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| 22:11:39 | shotofadds | how do I get a stack trace from the sim under gdb? when the sim hits a segv gdb says "Cannot find user-level thread for LWP 17680: no LWP to satisfy query" and refuses to backtrace. |
| 22:12:58 | Domonoky | and its a debug sim build ? |
| 22:13:32 | musicmission | I whant to find english chat where i can practis my english, help me? |
| 22:13:59 | BigBambi | musicmission: NOT here |
| 22:14:01 | JdGordon|w | join #anythingbutipod much more fun |
| 22:14:16 | musicmission | ooooooooo |
| 22:14:19 | musicmission | cooll |
| 22:14:21 | musicmission | cool |
| 22:14:34 | musicmission | ha ha yahooo!!! |
| 22:14:38 | stripwax | musicmission - http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/chanlist// |
| 22:14:43 | Llorean | musicmission: Please be quiet. This room is for work. |
| 22:14:44 | musicmission | ooooooooo |
| 22:14:57 | musicmission | oooops |
| 22:15:06 | musicmission | sorry |
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| 22:25:30 | shotofadds | Domonoky: I saw the "-DDEBUG" against the (S)imulator option in the configure script and figured the sim was debug by default. Clearly i was wrong, just doing a rebuild :/ |
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| 22:26:55 | JdGordon|w | shotofadds: sim _has_ debug by default... |
| 22:27:38 | JdGordon|w | but iirc the DEBUG define is for targets... depends on what you actually are trying to debug you can use DEBUGF() (wrapper for printf) |
| 22:27:58 | shotofadds | JdGordon|w: yep, I just found the rebuild made no difference - so my original question still stands.. |
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| 22:29:00 | shotofadds | I made a new sim build for the D2 - it crashes when you try to play a song, so trying to get a stack trace |
| 22:29:54 | JdGordon|w | ah, just saw the question... well first thign to try is make sure you can actually play music in the sim with a different target? |
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| 22:31:09 | shotofadds | yep, I'm building a H120 sim as we speak |
| 22:33:26 | pixelma | shotofadds: did I see correctly that the D2 screen is 320x240 colour (and touch screen)? |
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| 22:35:11 | * | Bagder adds a new build server |
| 22:35:28 | JdGordon|w | hey Bagder, see my pm yesterday? |
| 22:35:34 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:35:45 | JdGordon|w | k |
| 22:36:14 | * | JdGordon|w would like to get his computers doing something more useful than sitting doing nothing :p |
| 22:36:24 | Bagder | but I don't have any particular plans in modding the build system, so if you want to avoid uploads you can do sim builds |
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| 22:37:05 | JdGordon|w | ? wait, was it fixed so sims could be done and not main builds? |
| 22:37:18 | JdGordon|w | when was * |
| 22:38:02 | Bagder | it's always been like that |
| 22:38:06 | shotofadds | pixelma: yes, that's correct. For the time being the intention is to use the touchscreen to simulate up/down/left/right buttons, I think. |
| 22:38:25 | shotofadds | sheesh, I should have built a sim with less plugins |
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| 22:39:28 | JdGordon|w | Bagder: if you say so :p |
| 22:40:05 | pixelma | shotofadds: I wanted to know if new bitmaps are needed (for plugins or whatever) but seems like it isn't needed because the screen resolution is the same as the Ipod Videos |
| 22:40:24 | JdGordon|w | shotofadds: make bin |
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| 22:40:43 | rasher | Bagder: idea, if you're going to do something to the build system at some point in the future, add in version-checks, so that you know that a server has the right version of the toolchain before you order a build |
| 22:40:46 | JdGordon|w | and you want to split the screen into buttons instead of going the stylus/fingure mthod? |
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| 22:41:29 | Bagder | we should probably start a wiki page for things to do in the next gen build scripts |
| 22:41:32 | stripwax | are profiling builds known to work (and is support device specific)? |
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| 22:43:04 | n1s | stripwax: no and yes |
| 22:43:07 | * | stripwax wonders what would happen if stereo tremor mdct could be made to run on both pp502x cores |
| 22:43:11 | stripwax | n1s - ah |
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| 22:44:00 | n1s | or rather the output from a profiling build can only be understood by the script if said build is m68k |
| 22:44:14 | JdGordon|w | Bagder: you got 6 more cores once I get ports forwarded for the sims |
| 22:44:22 | n1s | and when I tried it a couple of months ago it didn't work well |
| 22:44:34 | Bagder | goodie'1 |
| 22:44:52 | shotofadds | JdGordon|w: probably only using button emulation as an intermediate measure, I guess. Could still be useful for things like plugins in the long run. |
| 22:44:52 | stripwax | n1s - thanks for the info. |
| 22:45:18 | n1s | stripwax: lostlogic is the one who made it so maybe you can poke him :) |
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| 22:45:55 | JdGordon|w | shotofadds: maybe we'll add both systems in and let the user choose? seen as it would only affect the 2 targets |
| 22:46:16 | stripwax | n1s - will try building first and see what happens - ta |
| 22:46:47 | stripwax | Nico_P - have you had time to look at sliding_puzzle yet? |
| 22:47:19 | shotofadds | JdGordon|w: sounds like a good idea, if possible. eg. the D2's retail .swf player gives a choice of stylus or keypad-style control on startup |
| 22:47:21 | Nico_P | stripwax: sorry, no :( |
| 22:47:28 | Nico_P | exam week |
| 22:48:09 | JdGordon|w | shotofadds: everything is possible :) your touchpad driver returns an x/y pixel value? |
| 22:48:15 | shotofadds | JdGordon|w: hmm, the H120 sim segv's as well - let me try some other tracks |
| 22:48:23 | JdGordon|w | hopefully the same way the mr500 does? |
| 22:48:30 | JdGordon|w | try an ogg if your not... |
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| 22:51:53 | shotofadds | JdGordon|w: I've tried mp3, ogg & flac. all give the same segv here. running on the rockbox VMware image (debian 2.4.something) |
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| 22:52:07 | shotofadds | wonder if that's an issue? |
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| 23:00:02 | stripwax | Hm - I'm getting a build error with profiling enabled, seems it's looking for functions named __cyg_profile_func_enter/exit but only found profile_func_enter/exit in profile.c |
| 23:00:15 | stripwax | seeing if just an alias fixes the build |
| 23:02:29 | shotofadds | JdGordon|w: the D2's touchscreen driver can have the same/similar interface to the m:robe, assuming your z1/z2 are comparable to my p1/p2 |
| 23:04:01 | shotofadds | though this is al slightly academic at the moment since I don't have a main build working yet... |
| 23:04:04 | shotofadds | *all |
| 23:04:14 | JdGordon|w | I'm not handling the z1/z2 at all yet... |
| 23:05:26 | shotofadds | i'm not really sure what to do with them, though from the returned values it seems I can determine the size of the area pressed. |
| 23:06:21 | JdGordon|w | unless we want to do something fancy and try to figure out if its a stylus or a finger I think we can ignore that |
| 23:07:42 | shotofadds | I may need to use them to detect pendown - reading the pendown interrupt flag from the PCF currently returns zero permanently :( |
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| 23:09:59 | simonrvn | i found some stuff that sigmatel has been doing with their stmp36xx stuff and linux. i suppose having this would make it rather easy to port the sansa express to rockbox? |
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| 23:14:16 | Casainho | hello Rockbox people!! :-9 |
| 23:14:22 | Bagder | simonrvn: "easy" is probably not the right word |
| 23:14:36 | Casainho | I am looking for a person who name is: DominikWenger -> from Twiki |
| 23:14:37 | simonrvn | simpler? |
| 23:15:00 | Bagder | the more details that are known, the fewer problems there are of course |
| 23:15:14 | rasher | Casainho: check the IrcNicks page |
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| 23:15:27 | Bagder | I don't know of any serious attempts to work on the sansa express |
| 23:15:29 | simonrvn | that's pretty much what i meant with my statement. good :). |
| 23:15:32 | Casainho | rasher: thanks :-) |
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| 23:16:07 | simonrvn | Bagder: that was my next question. seems people have investigated, but no actual porting stuff done |
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| 23:16:24 | Bagder | simonrvn: yeps, that's the situation as I've understood it |
| 23:16:28 | simonrvn | i started a page on the rockbox wiki for it |
| 23:17:06 | Casainho | DominikWenger is not on the IrcNicks page and I don't know who is him? :-( |
| 23:17:22 | simonrvn | their website (linux.sigmatel.com) has a bunch of tarballs, bootloader, source for that, a chroot env., other things |
| 23:18:05 | stripwax | Casainho - look again. yes he is. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks |
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| 23:19:21 | Casainho | stripwax: thanks - I saw now - I made a search for that text and It didn't found, my mistake :-) thanks :-) |
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| 23:21:32 | Aevum | no hope for the classic, no ? |
| 23:22:18 | JdGordon|w | classic what? |
| 23:22:21 | scorche|w | no hope as long as no one is working on it |
| 23:25:06 | Aevum | ok, thank you |
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| 23:31:52 | Casainho | is there anyway for I know what pages DominikWenger changed on Twiki? - I would like to know in what he is involved.. |
| 23:32:35 | Bagder | why does that matter? |
| 23:32:36 | * | JdGordon|w wants a stalker :'( |
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| 23:33:31 | scorche|w | JdGordon|w: ddalton... |
| 23:33:53 | Casainho | Bagder: I would like to know what work he already did... I usualy like to read about others works... |
| 23:34:04 | Casainho | is the same as read your blog :-) |
| 23:34:28 | Bagder | he's one of the main authors of the rbutil, as an example |
| 23:35:09 | Casainho | hardware, he works, knows about hardware? - he edit the page of RB player :-) - with good information :-) |
| 23:35:19 | scorche|w | Bagder: we really should start talking about devcon... |
| 23:35:50 | Bagder | I know |
| 23:36:02 | scorche|w | do you have some time tonight? |
| 23:36:07 | JdGordon|w | just dont do it exam week :'( i really want to come |
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| 23:36:52 | scorche|w | Bagder: or perhaps this weekend will be better?...well, i guess i will be in seattle.. |
| 23:37:23 | JdGordon|w | or the good ol mailing list |
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| 23:40:34 | Casainho | good night :-) |
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| 23:41:34 | JdGordon|w | stalker, headhunter or present/past/potential employer? |
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| 23:47:00 | shotofadds | i'm about to commit the D2 sim build (no plugins yet) - any reason why it shouldn't be added to the build table? |
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| 23:48:03 | Bagder | I'm a believer in adding builds early to the build table |
| 23:49:28 | shotofadds | not that I can see that far off to the right ;-) |
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| 23:50:38 | Bagder | they're actually sorted, so it'll appear "somewhere" |
| 23:50:57 | Bagder | they're sorted on the full title, but the title is then chopped up a bit in the generated images |
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| 23:57:17 | * | Bagder added build 71 to the table just now |
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