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#rockbox log for 2008-01-22

00:00:13peturcan't this be done remotely?
00:00:19BagderI better mail him
00:00:27rasherIs that the one producing the Sim warnings?
00:00:43amiconnNo, it's the one failing the mr500 build
00:00:57amiconn...because it still has no multilibs-enabled arm-elf-gcc
00:01:42amiconnThe sim warnings happen on many build servers now. gcc 4.2.x.
00:02:06countrymonkeyI am posting a malformed patch to the task (8465). I don't know what's wrong. Hopefully somebody will be able to figure it out.
00:02:15BagderI mailed Brad now, owner of
00:02:56linuxstbcountrymonkey: How did you generate the patch?
00:03:37*linuxstb reads back 10 minutes...
00:03:41countrymonkeyI made the patch thenm from some suggestions editted the patch file directly.
00:03:57peturtsk tsk tsk
00:04:30peturediting patches directly ;)
00:04:56countrymonkeyWhat other choice did I have?
00:05:10countrymonkeybesides patching then diffing?
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00:06:52peturhmmm I thought FS #8488 was fixed some time ago or is my memory failing (again)?
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00:07:26linuxstbMaybe MoB reintroduced it?
00:07:36*petur tries
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00:08:58Bagdereigma: machine seemed to do just fine
00:09:40scorche|wyou have an enigma machine?
00:10:00Bagderright, an enigma machine doing builds ;-)
00:11:05*scorche|w taps his foot waiting for his message to show...
00:11:15scorche|whrm...i guess not
00:11:39scorche|wthe window for the joke has closed anyway :(
00:12:20eigmamulticore enigma machine
00:12:34eigmaI was going to say, looks like I'm churning out builds:
00:12:56scorche|weigma: so were you in seattle too?
00:13:18eigmaI'm from and in Canadia
00:13:40scorche|whrm...why was i thinking that..
00:13:49Bagdersilly enough checking that list made me realize my own host wasn't included
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00:14:24countrymonkeyeigma: The place is Canada.
00:14:48eigmaOttawa here; you?
00:15:38countrymonkeyNot in canada. And posted a fixed patch. Didn't remove sysfont string from patch. Kept it gone since those don't show right anyway.
00:18:40amiconnThe LANG_SYSFONT_ strings a a nasty hack anyway.
00:19:24peturthe recording screen can have a nice rework once the viewports are in
00:19:48petura fixed top part and a scrollable list below that
00:19:52 Quit ender` (" (Coder's Ditty) 100 little bugs in the code, 100 bugs in the code, fix one bug, compile it again, 102 little bugs in the co")
00:19:55*amiconn wonders if our "gui experts" will do something useful and rewrite those sysfont screens in a flexible and efficient way for userfont
00:20:32*petur had some wild ideas about the recording screen, but no time at all :(
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00:23:04countrymonkeySo now is the patch commitable?
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00:23:48*petur gives ubuntu an angry look
00:24:19countrymonkeySo now is the patch committable? (for petur's benifite; he missed it)
00:24:23*eigma <3 Ubuntu.
00:24:30peturI read the log...
00:25:06petureigma: it gave a low batt warning, I plug it into mains and 30 seconds later it forces a shutdown anyway :(
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00:26:21eigmapetur: who did what where?
00:26:37petureigma: nevermind ;)
00:27:03*petur kicks robin0800
00:27:11eigmawe saw the first "#test" but not the second one, "*test"
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00:31:27rasherI don't think robin0800 is human.
00:31:39jac0bwith the viewport list patch is there a way to refresh the background so this doesn't happen
00:32:03linuxstbpetur: Viewports _are_ in - they're ready for people to adapt the apps/ code...
00:32:43peturcountrymonkey: why did you remove the user: line in espagnol.lang line 10762?
00:33:25peturlinuxstb: oh sorry...
00:33:44jac0blinuxstb: viewports are in svn now
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00:34:24linuxstbjac0b: That's what I just told petur (I committed them...)
00:34:46countrymonkeyNewest patch?
00:35:00robin0800#rockbox echo test
00:35:21linuxstbcountrymonkey, jac0b: I'm only talking about the changes to implement viewports in the LCD drivers, not the WPS or list patches.
00:35:24robin0800on #rockbox echo test
00:35:45rasherrobin0800: stop that.
00:36:11jac0bokay I thought you meant for all
00:36:33countrymonkeyI'm talking about 8465.
00:36:56peturcountrymonkey: yes, and did you intend to change the translation of LANG_RECORD_TRIGGER_STOP?
00:37:02jac0bhave you seen this before
00:37:55jac0bif you go to change the theme the bar freezes in the background
00:37:55countrymonkeyI just added the voice string, so the answer is yes.
00:39:06JdGordon|wamiconn: wait... we have gui experts?
00:39:35peturcountrymonkey: you removed the translation of LANG_LOADING_PERCENT, and regarding LANG_RECORD_TRIGGER_STOP, the translation was changed from "Parar" to "Para".
00:39:56kugelJdGordon|w: I'm at rewriting your list patch a but. It doesn't work yet, but it would be nice if you tell me if it looks "ok"
00:40:03kugela bit*
00:40:28countrymonkeyHate this stuff.
00:40:53peturcountrymonkey: you'll have to clean up that mess, I found more translations that you are removing in that patch. Shall I just reject it? ;)
00:40:58JdGordon|wkugel: sure... but unless you want MS to own the (c) its best i leave it till i get home
00:41:21kugeldo you work for MS?
00:41:45JdGordon|wthey own my brain while im at this desk... and yes
00:41:54peturthat would explain a lot :p
00:42:31countrymonkeyJust reject the damn thing.
00:42:44kugelJdGordon|w: So you are one of the guys we can blame for vista? :)
00:43:15peturcountrymonkey: done...
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00:44:33countrymonkeythx a lot. I'll post another patch now. Different purpose
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00:46:53countrymonkeyupdate to chinese translations on the way.
00:48:26countrymonkeyno excuse this time: did in rasher's editor
00:53:16hcsjhMikeS: it looks like the recent kernel changes have broken SPC
00:56:34peturcountrymonkey: is that patch on its way or will it take some time?
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00:58:28countrymonkey8494 done and posted
00:58:44countrymonkeyI speak manderin chinese, so it should be good.
01:00:48peturis it better than your Spanish? :p
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01:01:51countrymonkeyYou could say that. And my japanese is in the middle. It was a mistype in the spanish (I don't speak it).
01:02:15countrymonkeyAnd yes, I speak 3 langs.
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01:13:01countrymonkeyOh, by the way, my comp doesn't support typing of chinese chars so I google translated and than validated the translation.
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01:39:11jhMikeSNico_P: have any other key combos been nescessary to put a gigabeat S in recovery mode? mine won't go.
01:39:39jhMikeShcs: how could that be? it should have no effect and it was working for me.
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01:40:04hcsjhMikeS: all I know is it's freezing my ipod color now
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01:42:15jhMikeShcs: instantly? H10 is running fine and the threading build is the same for those.
01:42:24Nico_PjhMikeS: holding left + windows doesn't do?
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01:42:33jhMikeSNico_P: nope.
01:42:42hcsjhMikeS: the first time I tried it was a few seconds, but now it is instantly
01:43:16Nico_PjhMikeS: you have to do it real quick after having switched the battery off then on again
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01:44:57jhMikeSNico_P: been trying holding it while powering. trying it quickly and so on. it refuses to go there.
01:45:29jhMikeShcs: btw, did you try it with a boost count added?
01:46:36hcsjhMikeS: no, how would I do that?
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01:47:15jhMikeShcs: System|Debug|CPU Frequency
01:47:51jhMikeSadd some boost counts so it stays at 80MHz.
01:49:16Nico_PjhMikeS: I really don't know what to say... I just flip the switch then before the progressbar appears, press the combo until the recovery screen appears
01:49:23hcsjhMikeS: no luck, same freeze
01:50:07*jhMikeS naturally has to end up with some weird version of an S
01:51:40jhMikeShcs: it traces precisely to the revision with that change? what about mpegplayer?
01:51:55Nico_PjhMikeS: you do get the blue gigabeat screen, then the white windows mobile screen?
01:52:00Nico_Pboth with a progressbar
01:52:07jhMikeSNico_P: yes
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01:52:16hcsjhMikeS: no, I haven't done any proper research, just jumped to a conclusion
01:52:30Nico_PjhMikeS: and have you tried sending a firmware file with sendfirm?
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01:53:02jhMikeSNico_P: not yet. did step 1. got stuck on step 2.
01:53:45simonrvnis there some site where i can find h/w specs for a sansa express?
01:53:48jhMikeSI take it that using the hacked installer involves modding the "gigabeat V" unicode strings only?
01:54:00Nico_PjhMikeS: yes
01:54:37jhMikeSshould I try the updater anyway?
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01:55:45Nico_PjhMikeS: I guess the hacked V updater should be ok
01:56:10saratogasimonrvn: check the wiki and the thread in the new ports forum
01:56:16saratogai believe that is all that is known about it
01:56:18Nico_Psendfirm requires more precautions, as without the recovery mode you'll be in trouble if you don't send a correct nk.bin
01:56:25simonrvnsaratoga: thanks
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01:57:09simonrvni'll check it out after my sid update =)
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01:59:17countrymonkeyI don't understand 8495. Can somebody explain it to me further about why it was closed?
01:59:50jhMikeSNico_P: this is the first device I've had that doesn't seem to do what others' do. it's either broken or there's a set of S models with different keypresses but heck if I know what it could be.
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02:00:28Nico_PjhMikeS: you could try combos of a direction + one of "back" or "win"
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02:02:58jhMikeSbeen poking...haven't hit it yet
02:03:47Nico_PjhMikeS: if you try sendfirm be careful to use it with a correct nk.bin file
02:03:51jhMikeShit it
02:03:54Nico_Pah nice
02:03:58Nico_Pwhat was it?
02:04:12jhMikeSaright...I think I'm was being incredibly stupid here
02:04:26*jhMikeS goes and gets a drink
02:04:39jhMikeS...the other left ...not "<−−-"
02:04:53Nico_Pah yes I think I got confused by that too
02:05:07*jhMikeS goes and updates the wiki
02:05:35Nico_PI see the instructions for mknkboot on the wiki page are cleared than they used to be so you should be fine with it
02:06:05Nico_Pand with the recovery mode there's no risk at all with sendfirm
02:06:07jhMikeSI'll clarify which left is the correct left
02:06:20Nico_Pyeah, good idea :)
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02:16:04jhMikeShmm...keep going to "3 firmware update or restoration required" now
02:18:04Nico_Pyou need to wait IIRC
02:20:50Nico_PjhMikeS: has it changed to 1?
02:22:02jhMikeSif I wait long enough
02:22:19Nico_Pyeah, that's why the recovery mode is annoying
02:22:37Nico_Psendfirm makes you save quite some waiting
02:23:10jhMikeSit doesn't always work or do you have to go around in circles a bunch of times?
02:24:44Nico_Pwhat do you mean?
02:25:32jhMikeSkeeps going back after it says it loaded it
02:25:46Nico_Ploaded what?
02:26:44jhMikeSusing the installer in windows
02:27:03Nico_Pah I don't know about that one
02:27:33jhMikeSthe recover brought it back though
02:27:42Nico_PI strongly recommend sendfirm if you have access to a linux box
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02:28:07jhMikeSonly a VMWare one
02:28:22Nico_Pah, I don't know if it'll work in there
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02:28:50Nico_PI'm off to bed
02:28:54countrymonkeyWhy was 8495 closed? I don't understand the comment.
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02:36:20XavierGrjhMikeS: vmware didn't work for me
02:36:38XavierGrjhMikeS: also windows wouldn't work for me either
02:37:04XavierGrjhMikeS: in the end I did it with sendfirm from my kubuntu installation
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02:45:02trumpet512e200rpatcher.linux32 won't run for me on Ubuntu Gutsy, any ideas?
02:48:59jhMikeSXavierGr: I tried the modded mk.bin using the recovery. Where does .rockbox/rockbox.gigabeat etc. get dumped?
03:00:52jhMikeSI think the first order of business here has to be a bootloader USB mode
03:01:30trumpet512fixed my problem: e200rpatcher.linux32 needs to be "chmod 755"'d before it will run
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03:07:31XavierGrjhmikes: have you set up the rockbox bootloader? if yes then even without the rockbox.gigabeat you should see an error when you boot rockbox
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03:07:36Anon2997holy shyt.....
03:07:59XavierGronce you install the bootloader you can update the .rockbox folder with windows
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03:11:38jhMikeSI only got it to show a rb bootloader when using it plain but not after using mknkboot to join them for dual boot. I'm probably messing something up. :p
03:12:07XavierGrI only had to hassle with sendfirm once
03:12:31XavierGrafter the bootloader got flashed I can update the rockbox firmware with normal windows explorer operation
03:12:50XavierGrthough it is somewhat annoying that I always have to turn power off reset boot rockbox etc
03:13:54jhMikeSyou just dump it in the MTP/Storage folder? wasn't working for me.
03:14:23XavierGrhmm, I think it worked for me, (after I got the bootloader flashed)
03:14:34XavierGrbecause at first I didn't have a .rockbox folder in there
03:14:43XavierGrso the bootloader would just complain and do nothing
03:15:12XavierGrbut after I put the .rockbox folder from the mtp/storage folder it booted till the rockbox splash
03:19:30jhMikeSI had it in there but restart was only bringing up retailos so something went wrong during the join perhaps
03:20:07XavierGrjhMikeS: if restarting it only brings retailos it means that you don't have the bootloader installed
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03:20:27XavierGreven without the .rockbox folder the bootloader should appear when you start the device with hold on
03:20:28jhMikeSit is the one I used mknkboot to join
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03:23:23XavierGrjhMikeS: I am now confused, you said that resatarting it only brings the retailos
03:26:29jhMikeSyeah, with a joined nk.bin
03:28:37XavierGrjoined you mean with both OF and rockbox bootloader?
03:38:49countrymonkeyWhen it comes to voices, is the ipodvideo 32mb and 64mb 2 targets or one?
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03:40:27trumpet512Haha, new problem now - can't get Ubuntu to mount my device
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04:08:23trumpet512Can you use the device itself to move files around? My OF.bin is in / but the bootloader is looking in /System/
04:08:49trumpet512And whenever I plug in to USB, it tries to switch back over to OF
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04:09:38cool_walking_You can cut/paste files from the context menu.
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04:10:34trumpet512Aha, thanks :)
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04:19:45DrDnarDownloading, via svn, the rockbox source is taking about as long as emerge xwindows. . .
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04:39:50 Quit PaulJam_ (".") are just Rockbox's version of an EXE, right? So I can just write and compile one without needing to care about the rest of Rockbox?
04:41:18DrDnarOr do they depend on pointers and such that change from version to version?
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04:45:48cool_walking_The second one.
04:46:01cool_walking_You can't compile a .rock and expect it to work forever.
04:46:23cool_walking_It may work through a few versions, but it'll break eventually.
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04:58:47lontrawhere do i place a theme to install it?
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05:00:41BRi7Xhey folks, my new (used, and loaded with other person's pictures and music haha) gigabeat arrived today... i'm about to ask a stupid question that will probably be answered with a "no" and maybe even a few "lulz" but... is it possible to format the gigabeat in a different file system like ext3 or something? (i hear fat32 doesn't quite support files over 4GB)
05:01:13scorchesure it is possible, but that doesnt mean any firmware is going to read it
05:02:52DrDnarIn theory, but it'd be a lot of work to program. And yes, FAT32 cannot use files larger than 4GB.
05:03:50DrDnarBut what do you need such large files for?
05:04:41BRi7Xmy boss needed a 7.5GB file, and i'd like to transfer it to him with the gigabeat, but i suppose i can split it at 3.98GB each
05:05:03lontrafyi ... i solved my problem
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08:13:29webguest08im just wondering about the capabilities of an ipod video compared to the capabilities of the classic
08:14:03LinusNnot sure
08:14:19LinusNother than that rockbox doesn't run on the classic
08:14:39DogBoythat's one clearcut difference in capabilities
08:14:44webguest08even if the clssic firmware could be put on the video wouldnt the video not be able to support it due to the low power of the video ipods cpu
08:14:45LinusNso if you want rockbox, go with the video
08:15:15LinusNwebguest08: the video and the classic have two entirely different cpu:s
08:15:32webguest08is one just more powerful lol
08:15:42LinusNthey are completely different beasts
08:15:44webguest08i meen both are slow in terms of computers
08:15:51LinusNof course they are
08:16:00scorcheeither way, this discussion is offtopic...
08:16:09LinusNpretty much
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08:20:34webguest32whats the difference between rockboz and ipod linux? are they caomparable?
08:20:55scorchenot really...the 2 projects have different goals
08:21:14webguest32what are some of the goals between the 2?
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08:22:48scorcheIPl likes to focus on "apps and games", while rockbox focuses (most of the time) on being the best audio player it can be
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08:24:16webguest32why are the adio codecs for rockbox not as good as the apple firmwares?
08:24:25LinusNwho said that?
08:25:04webguest32said what? about the codecs?
08:25:29LinusNwhat do you mean by "good" in this case?
08:26:20webguest32oh that is just my opinion i had rockboz for about a month and it seeded as if the codecs didnt help to produce sound with bass it was like a tone def sound if you know what i meen
08:26:34scorcheno i dont, really...
08:27:06scorchepeople usually say rockbox sounds better (although that statement isnt necessarily correct either)
08:27:14simonrvnum, i'm logged in on the wiki, but i can't edit my own topic o_O
08:27:53webguest32like lets say i go and play hip hop it doesnt have as much bass on rockbox as it would if i used the apple firmware
08:28:22scorchesimonrvn: have you been granted wiki write rights?
08:28:23NielsEthe manual sais something about, but that page is nonexistent
08:28:32scorchewebguest32: and have you tested this?
08:28:49simonrvnscorche: trying to edit my own topic. one would assume one can edit one's own topic :)
08:29:03*GodEater sees he has arrived in time for another "Rockbox sounds like a bag of shit" conversation :)
08:29:07simonrvnscorche: Main/UserName (this case SimonRaven)
08:29:07scorcheyou didnt anser my question...
08:29:18webguest32im basing this of personal experience
08:29:21simonrvnno apprently not
08:29:43scorchewebguest32: every valid test that have been performed leads to the conclusion that you are imagining that
08:30:07scorchealthough, i would love to see some RMAA tests that prove me wrong..
08:30:22webguest32imagining that it doesnt sound the same as apples codecs?
08:30:42scorcheif you want more bass, why dont you turn up the low shelf in the EQ?
08:30:46webguest32um ok
08:31:32webguest32is it possible for rockbox to ever be compatible with the 6th generation?
08:31:45GodEatersimonrvn: you should have write rights now
08:31:53simonrvnGodEater: thank you
08:31:58scorchewell, it wont become by itself...someone needs to make the effort :)
08:32:13simonrvnGodEater: confirmed
08:32:45GodEatersimonrvn: now play nice :)
08:32:49webguest32ya i know that but it seems like the ipod 6th generation is alot more complex in terms of the way it functions
08:33:12scorchewebguest32: that depends on what you mean by "complex"
08:33:19GodEaterwebguest32: you're basing this on ... ?
08:33:26scorchethe original firmware is not a good indication of that
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08:34:37webguest32well if it worked the same way as the previous ipods and there was no change u could just take the 5th gen firmware and put it on the 6th gen
08:34:54scorcheit has different hardware
08:35:12scorchethis isnt like a program on your computer...embedded development is very different
08:35:51webguest32you meen how they have to use the strings to put it all together
08:36:00scorcheno, i dont
08:36:15NielsEdamn, my ipod has stopped working, even before I started installing rockbox >.> it sais it needs a restore from itunes... *sigh*
08:36:31scorcheNielsE: then restore?
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08:36:46NielsEyeah, brb, need a reboot for itunes:P
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08:38:10simonrvnGodEater: i will :)
08:38:41simonrvnGodEater: i run 2 instances of twiki on my (slow) server, one of them svn co, heh
08:39:11gregrokzdoes ipod linux even support 5.5 gen ipod yet?
08:39:24GodEaterdepends how you define "support"
08:39:25scorcheyes...just like we do
08:39:31scorcheah...that is true
08:39:37GodEaterit runs on it, but they don't describe it as "supported"
08:43:22gregrokzdeos anything work on the 6th gen yet?
08:43:41GodEaterother than the original firmware, no.
08:43:46scorcheno, and that is still offtopic
08:44:39gregrokzhow is that off topic i was wondering if rockbox or anything works on my 6th gen?
08:45:27scorcheyou have already asked twice...
08:45:53gregrokzwell sorry
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08:52:55simonrvnneat, sigmatel has kernel, toolchain, and other goodies on their site
08:53:36*simonrvn hasn't done a cross build in a long time ;)
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09:02:06*LinusN is confused by JdGordon's reply to FS #8495
09:02:44JdGordonwhich was that?
09:02:49Nico_PjhMikeS: been reading the logs... do you know that the old switch is used to select between the rockbox BL and the OF?
09:02:53LinusN"no quotes"
09:03:12GodEaterLinusN: he surely can't be serious....
09:03:15JdGordonah... it was a joke reply..
09:03:25JdGordonyeah, combination of bad day at work and idiot user
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09:04:00LinusNi would have seen the joke if you also applied the patch
09:04:02scorcheLinusN: there has been a rash of this odd spammer posing as JdGordon closing tickets for amusing reasons...
09:05:01jhMikeSNico_P: yes and it wasn't doing anything for me except always booting windows
09:05:10GodEatermaybe his account has been compromised
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09:05:17scorcheGodEater: maybe!
09:05:47pixelmano.. and TiMiD is not even around :\
09:06:03scorcheJdGordon: we are going to have to see what that spammer can come up with when we are sitting around drunk after "tucker" :)
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09:06:48peturso we reopen 8495?
09:07:06LinusNof course we do
09:07:20GodEateror we commit the patch and leave it closed...
09:07:28Nico_PjhMikeS: are you positive you used mknkoot properly?
09:07:54GodEatermknkboot perhaps ?
09:07:57peturGodEater: svn is blocked by the company firewall :(
09:08:11GodEaterpetur: then use my handy solution ?
09:08:18JdGordon... its a typo in a comment which noone ever notices except they are being morons and trying to irritate us
09:08:23jhMikeSNico_P: nope, though it looked proper. :)
09:08:46Nico_Pthe bootloader file it asks for is bootloader/bootloader.bin in the build dir
09:09:15Nico_Pit also requires an original nk.bin.
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09:10:41GodEaterNico_P: I thought you were going to improve those intructions for using mknkboot ?
09:10:53GodEaterjhMikeS sounds like he's having the exact same issue I was...
09:11:16jhMikeSGodEater: which was?
09:11:42Nico_PGodEater: didn't you improve them? I checked them yesterday and they seemed ok
09:12:26NielsEi have booted to the OF, how do I get back in to rockbox?
09:12:45NielsEon an ipod btw
09:13:08scorchehold menu and select
09:13:10NielsEmenu middle button dit the rick
09:13:13NielsEyeah :), thanks
09:13:14GodEaterjhMikeS: which was I couldn't get any rockbox code to boot on it
09:13:36GodEaterNico_P: I wasn't sure I had =/
09:14:10Nico_PGodEater: and you weren't patching the bootloader.bin file in?
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09:14:49GodEaterNico_P: I seem to recall that was the problem yes
09:15:02GodEaternow that I read the page again though I think what's on there is clear enough
09:15:15jhMikeSI can if I put the plain nk.bin that I built. I use "mknkboot <original nk.bin> bootloader/bootloader.bin output-nk.bin" (of course renaming "output-nk.bin" to nk.bin afterword and running an installer)
09:15:49Nico_PjhMikeS: that seems correct to me. it doesn't work?
09:16:18Nico_Poutput-nk.bin should be ~ the same size as nk.bin
09:16:28jhMikeSno. is there a problem with the mknkboot.c included in SVN or anything?
09:16:53Nico_PI don't think so
09:16:58LinusNi really don't get it. who are being morons and are trying to irritate us?
09:17:20GodEaterLinusN: no-one - think JdGordon is just uber-grouchy today
09:17:27PhilLightHi. Could I please be given write access to the wiki (user name PhilLight)? I'd like to add some new batterybench results for e200.
09:17:29GodEaterNico_P: I'll try with latest svn here
09:17:43LinusNPhilLight: hang on
09:18:42Nico_PjhMikeS: where did you get the original nk.bin? it seems that there are two different ones
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09:19:03LinusNPhilLight: done
09:19:26PhilLightThanks LinusN
09:19:40jhMikeSbtw, I can never get a proper install using a modded V30TUpdate.exe but the GigabeatSRecover/update.exe actually manages to load any nk.bin I use.
09:19:48Nico_PjhMikeS: the one I'm using has md5sum fb76b0025cd6bd2cc7512620ebf30b81
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09:22:28GodEaterNico_P: just built a brand new bootloader, transferred with sendfirm - boots into Rockbox code fine
09:22:36GodEater(assuming the hold switch is on)
09:23:53GodEaterI also found the V30TUpdate.exe was extremely flakey
09:23:59GodEaterit wouldn't work AT ALL on one PC
09:24:02jhMikeSif VMWare won't work with sendfirm then I have to work around it somehow. I'm not in any position to tear this box down and install linux right now.
09:24:03GodEaterbut worked fine on another
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09:24:38Nico_PjhMikeS: a live CD maybe?
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09:25:05linuxstb_Getting sendfirm working on Windows is going to be needed at some point anyway....
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09:25:40GodEaterlinuxstb_: well volunteered :)
09:25:58*jhMikeS agrees and wonders how much trouble that is
09:26:12linuxstb_GodEater: Thanks (I was volunteering jhMikeS of course...)
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09:27:20Nico_PI guess it's not too hard... someone just needs to look at microsoft's MTP SDK, assuming there is one
09:27:30linuxstb_jhMikeS: I've no idea if it can work. It's using libmtp, so we would need to find out if libmtp can run under Windows. Alternatively, maybe win32 has the same functionality as libmtp built-in, so a windows version could use the native mtp library instead.
09:28:15jhMikeSIf windows supports MTP fully I suspect there one way or another to manage it
09:28:29Inv1s1bleI just installed RockBox over this weekend and I love it. It's awesome...I just got one question
09:28:49Inv1s1bleI have an iPod cable for my Sony in-dash head unit
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09:29:17Nico_PjhMikeS: have you tried using the file explorer as XavierGr said he did?
09:29:31Inv1s1blewhen I use it, I can hear the audio, but barely and only if I crank it all the way up. The mini jack works fine of course, but is there a way to increase the preamp to the output on the interface cable?
09:29:41Inv1s1bleI couldn't find anything int he FAQ
09:30:33jhMikeSNico_P: I did, yes
09:31:34Inv1s1blebed time..I'l ask again tomorrow. g'night
09:31:36jhMikeS <== ??
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09:32:53Nico_Pprobably worth a try
09:34:35*pixelma would like to know if TiMiD tested his new "fire" controls in every simulator (which can't even give 100% correct feedback) and wonders why he isn't around...
09:34:42GodEatertoffe82 found the MS MTP dev kit somewhere
09:35:04GodEaterit's where he got his MTP conversation dump of the firmware upgrade process from
09:35:13Nico_P that page is linked by the wikipedia article about MTP
09:35:25pixelmaI'm afraid of some stupid plugin button action conflicts like the ones in clock and metronome which aren't even solved yet :(
09:35:31LinusNhow is the gigabeat s progress nowadays anyway?
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09:37:00Nico_P "MTP porting kit"
09:37:14GodEaterLinusN: apparently ptw419 has managed to get interrupts working, but hasn't commited the code to do it, and no-one else has managed to replicate his work. He's also gone AWOL.
09:37:54*LinusN is tempted to buy one of those s devices
09:37:58jhMikeShe said in the logs what it was and seemed to be a one-liner iiuc
09:38:06GodEaterthere's a few of them around now LinusN
09:38:30*GodEater shrugs. All I know is aliask says he still can't make them work.
09:38:46scorcheLinusN: scorche's super special shipping services? :)
09:39:05pixelmaLinusN: don't you know that they are called "gigabeast" - a term invented by preglow by means of typo... ;)
09:39:28LinusNpixelma: lol
09:39:38peturthat 'ZIF-IDE adapter' mail poster has also gone AWOL :/
09:39:46LinusNpetur: not at all
09:39:58LinusNhe is sending me one
09:40:00scorchepixelma: and so accurate of a term...
09:40:41peturLinusN: I sent him a mail asking to set up something outside the ML so others can apply to but I'm not getting any response
09:42:57LinusNi see
09:43:48peturthere are some die-hard h1x0 users at taperssection that would love to have the adapter
09:44:29petur(if it works)
09:45:06LinusNit looks like the adapter might not fit in an H1x0 after all, we'll see
09:46:14peturwhich reminds me that I still need to order a big CF card for my h320...
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09:50:51peturLinusN: do we have an http server for svn?
09:52:29NielsEI would really like to thank you all for rockbox, it plays all my ogg and flac music, and being able to play mpeg is just amazing, so thanks ^^
09:53:02markunNielsE: yes, it's pretty amazing :) Which player do you use?
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09:53:38NielsEmarkun: an ipod nano
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10:03:22pixelmathe new "fire" in a c200 sim I currently can't - change the flame type and "flame moving" (I compare to the target with an older build, it was done with left and right) and I can't quit (short press of power)
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10:05:17pixelmaprobably due to the fact that again "generic directions" and "generic actions" are combined, something that also causes conflicts in pictureflow for example :\
10:07:10pixelmaI'd rather see the plugin button action part of TiMiD's commit was reverted
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10:09:06NielsEUnsupported codec for output stream #0.1 <−−- when I try to convert a movie with ffmpeg
10:09:26NielsEany idea's? I am running ubuntu
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10:17:42at0m|cNielsE, tried this script?
10:17:58at0m|coh, it's for ipod nano
10:18:07*pixelma is tempted to make said patch and commit it just to get TiMiD here - but stops talking to the wall for now :(
10:18:08at0m|csorry, link is for iriver h340
10:18:30peturpixelma: just do it
10:20:01NielsEat0m|c: I think I can still use the script if I change the resolutions and stuff
10:20:14at0m|cNielsE, right..
10:23:53NielsEat least its encoding now :)
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10:40:54NielsEat0m|c: I got it working, thanks :)
10:41:55at0m|cNielsE :)
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11:13:35pixelmathe changes in the fire commit also don't stick to the coding style rules (expecially the note about braces) - I remember he was told last time
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11:30:11amiconnBah, plugin action cr@p
11:35:19*amiconn votes for banning plugin actions. Immediately.
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12:07:14pixelmahuh, the mpegplayer icons are built for the mono (Archos) targets?
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12:14:30pixelmaand all three sizes of those are built for every target...
12:14:51Bagderthe bmps are built badly in the build system in general
12:14:57Bagderand we need to fix that one of these days
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12:15:51pixelmathis is a problem in plugin/bitmaps/mono/SOURCES... jhMikeS?
12:16:05Nico_PBagder: whats the problem with the bitmaps?
12:16:17Bagderthey're built too often
12:16:28Bagderthe auto dependency stuff gets mighty crazy
12:16:32pixelmae.g. when building voices
12:16:46Bagderyes, as an example
12:18:27pixelmawhy do I get 3 times "Header parsed" after a "make install" or "make zip"? Can't remember seeing this before
12:21:43Nico_Ppixelma: I think it's convbdf telling this since saratoga's big commit
12:23:44pixelmathanks for the info
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12:34:47pixelmaon my Ondio, "fire" just hangs - there's nothing on screen and when I press "off" the player restarts as if it was hanging completely...
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12:43:50pixelmacurrent SVN fire as well as my patched version without plugin actions, so there must be something else wrong with this commit
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12:50:26pixelmadaily build version (1 revision before this commit) works fine
12:51:39Bagderis 'etch' testing or stable?
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12:57:17jhMikeSpixelma: oops, I let those images build on non-SWCODEC?
12:58:02pixelmajhMikeS: there is no definition when which bmp should be compiled in
12:59:15Nico_PBagder: I think etch is stable
12:59:22jhMikeSall three sizes should be built into mpegplayer but only for SWCODEC. doh.
12:59:30Bagderyeah it seems etch is stable
12:59:38Bagderdebian 4.0 since july 2007 or so
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13:00:37pixelmajhMikeS: so it choses the size dependent on font size, or why do you need all three?
13:03:40jhMikeSyes, everything is scaled to the UI font
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13:04:04pixelmaok, but definitely not needed on my Ondio :)
13:14:03pixelmaok "fire" is crashing my M5, too...
13:14:26*pixelma now votes for reverting the complete commit
13:15:30pixelmashould have tested before, would have saved me the work on extracting only the plugin action part...
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13:20:24pixelmato be fair I tested my other target as well, and on c200 I get *PANIC* Stkov (0)... at least this is the only one that tells me something...
13:26:02jhMikeSwith no thread name? that indicates something internal getting trashed.
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13:32:22pixelmawell, I prepared everything to revert the commit - it crashes all my three targets (and archs) and the sim runs but I could see there that not all controls work anymore due to the fact how button actions are set up there now (e.g. with a c200 sim: conflicts with what the left/right and power button do)
13:37:42peturjust do it
13:39:28Lloreanamiconn: I second the motion to remove them.
13:39:44Lloreanpixelma: I agree with petur. Bad commits should be removed *before* anyone else has a chance to write bug reports on them.
13:40:01Bagdergo go go
13:40:05pixelmatyping the command line as we speak :)
13:40:20Bagdertype faster! ;-)
13:41:41jhMikeSI'm not sure plugin actions should be removed but perhaps thought through and the only standard one being the quit action
13:45:39LloreanPlugin actions should maybe be mutually exclusive somehow? So you can't mix two sets?
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13:46:32Nico_PjhMikeS: just a small thing I'd like to confirm with the S... you do know that the rockbox BL will only show up once the progressbar from the OF's bootloader is full, right?
13:47:26jhMikeSI didn't know that but I did leave hold turned on all the way until the main menu showed up
13:47:47Nico_Poh then it shouldv'e worked
13:49:17pixelmaLlorean: I'd think so too. That could potentially end up in hundreds of contexts (which are then hidden away in another file) or hopefully they would be used less and only in a few plugins where they would make sense (where you could call the controls generic).
13:50:53pixelma"hidden away" - compared to just defining the buttons in the plugin
13:54:17jhMikeSI can see actions in plugins as useful but perhaps all they should be is #defines or enums for suggested mappings and the plugin should just use action apis directly without predetermined keymaps.
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13:57:58pixelmaall I could see with the current system of plugin button actions is that there are troublesome - easy to get conflicts which means some controls are not working. I could name 4 such examples off the top of my head and I don't know how to solve them (easily).
13:58:15pixelmas/that there/that they
14:02:36pixelmaI mean fixing them while keeping actions
14:02:45jhMikeSthat's why I suggest that if a plugin uses actions, it defines the table itself in the plugin. they can simplify the switch statments in the code and still allow button assigments to be reused where appropriate. I agree the current way isn't the right approach.
14:05:21*jhMikeS votes to remove the actions entirely unless a friendlier way is adopted
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14:08:42kugelI think pla is really handy in some plugins
14:09:28Lloreankugel: Handy only in that it makes it a little bit simpler fora plugin writer, and leads to problems for users because of that
14:09:32pixelmaand a major pita if there are conflicts...
14:09:45LloreanMaking development easier is all well and good, but not at the expense of the users.
14:09:54kugelI'd like to see only 1 very generic pla context, with only like 6 actions (directions and select, plus exit)
14:11:04jhMikeShow many plugins in the entire set actually use it or could?
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14:11:46LloreanThe problem is that on, for example, wheeled targets, you might want "left/right" to be the wheel, or "up/down" to be the wheel depending on what screen you are in your plugin
14:13:25kugelLlorean: That's not generic anymore imo. If someone wants to use scroll wheel, he shouldn't use pla. At least according to my idea of very generic pla
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14:14:17LloreanSo, basically, the generic system is useless on targets that have a wheel?
14:14:26jhMikeSThe only annoying inconsistency in plugins imho is the exit key (combo)
14:14:34kugelthough, having no pla isn't a real problem imo.
14:14:48kugeljhMikeS: agreed.
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14:16:02kugelLlorean: Why useless? e200 and iPods have keys that can be used for directions. The scroll wheel isn't allways proper to be used.
14:16:39kugelI.e. robotfindskitten, as of now, for the e200 the scroll wheel is being used instead of up/down
14:17:13LloreanThe only place the wheel shouldn't be used, really, is movement across a grid. Sudoku, Jewels, RfK, etc. A few games, basically
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14:17:43LloreanEven then, in many cases, a wheel is appropriate. With a fast wheel motion, one could traverse the entire Jewels grid quickly
14:18:03*hcs believes wheel should be used for horizontal motion in rockblox
14:21:29LloreanI think "actions" just encourages people to use it, even if it doesn't lead to the most appropriate controls for the hardware. A lot of plugin authors who don't own the target will just use actions when porting something, and if it compiles, say "okay then"
14:30:54pixelmaLlorean: I like how the movement in a grid with a wheel is done now in minesweeper (additionally to the buttons and then scrolling through all fields, not just a line)
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14:35:09broomHello. What do you think about changing the initial mode in the pitch screen from 'fine' to 'semitone'? I find myself using the latter more often.
14:35:55LambdaCalculus37I think set it to however you like it. No one here can twist your arm about it. :)
14:36:00broomIIUC, it's just a matter of changing the initial value of static int pitch_mode to PITCH_MODE_SEMITONE in screens.c
14:36:25broomLambdaCalculus37: this setting is not stored, that's the problem.
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14:38:14GodEaterbroom: a better solution then would be to make it save?
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14:38:22GodEaterrather than changing the default for everyone
14:38:36LambdaCalculus37Yes, giving people the option to save the setting would work.
14:40:41at0m|cbeing able to store the setting and maybe the steps would be nice
14:41:33MojoMooDo I need all the pacman.<insertrandomnumberhere> files to play Pacbox? I found a Midway Pacman rom and it only contained pacman.6*
14:41:33at0m|cif only just for the default switch
14:42:36LambdaCalculus37MojoMoo: Yes, and no asking for them here.
14:42:45MojoMook, thanks
14:43:09broomGodEater: Yes, there was a talk about this but nothing's happened since then. I don't remember the details but the proposals were good.
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15:04:50broomGodEater: ah, I'm wrong. The proposals were about saving the pitch itself, not the pitch screen mode.
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15:10:17femtohi all, could give me some write access to my personal wiki page 'HansDieterStich'? TIA!
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15:16:40LambdaCalculus37femto: Sure, one of the boys will help you out.
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15:22:33LambdaCalculus37femto. Adding you now... stand by.
15:23:13peturdone ;)
15:23:25*LambdaCalculus37 needs to be faster next time ;)
15:26:19femtoLambdaCalculus37: thanks a lot!
15:27:48LambdaCalculus37femto: Actually, thank petur. He took care of it.
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15:30:13femtopetur & LambdaCalculus37: oops, sorry, thanks to you both for your help and patience! :)
15:31:31LambdaCalculus37femto: No problem. Enjoy!
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16:36:24saratogawould anyone mind if i made convbfd not print header parsed when theres no parseing error?
16:36:40saratogait seems somewhat ridiculous to print that to standard error if everything works correctly
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16:47:16markunsaratoga: I think that's some debug I committed years ago by accident :)
16:48:48markungit blame: 78611990 (markun 2005-12-06 13:27:15 +0000 461) fprintf(stderr, "Header parsed\n");
16:50:20saratogaso can i remove it?
16:50:53saratogathe curren tbuild script throws away stderr output, which is less then optimal since you don't know when a font fails to build
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17:18:42kugelrasher: hey, do you compile your sims using cygwin or mingw32?
17:18:55rasherkugel: mingw32
17:19:04kugelexpected that, thanks
17:19:32rasherWhich causes some console problems that I've no idea how to fix (there's no console output, it seems)
17:21:56kugelHmm, haven't used a windows sim in the console yet.
17:23:25rasherThe −−debugwps switch is apparently useless
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17:23:38rasherWith my sims (or any compiled with mingw32), that is
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17:38:12pixelmarasher: same here
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18:06:01TyroazardUhm, I formatted my ipod without itunes (Meaning, using Windows' format via My Computer), and now it won't boot.
18:06:09TyroazardI did something stupid, didn't I? ._.
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18:06:39TyroazardOh yes, I installed Rockbox on it before disconnecting it.
18:06:43krazykitTyroazard, yes, but not unrecoverable. itunes should be able to restore it.
18:07:09TyroazardGah. I dislike iTunes.
18:07:20krazykityes, but you LIKE your ipod, right?
18:07:27TyroazardI wanted to have my ipod as apple free as possible, too.
18:07:51TyroazardSo, meh, thanks though. Going to download iTunes
18:08:52krazykitwell, if you had a mac or a linux box, you could use the manual method
18:09:02LambdaCalculus37Tyroazard: Rockbox does not yet COMPLETELY replace the firmware on iPods. The original firmware is still needed.
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18:09:21GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: not quite true
18:09:24TyroazardI have Ubuntu on my iMac
18:09:27GodEaterwe still need what's in flash
18:09:36GodEaterthe apple firmware can be chucked though
18:09:58krazykitTyroazard, that'll work if you want to do the manual method. totally up to you.
18:10:05TyroazardToo much trouble right now, though. So I'll just get iTunes.
18:10:25TyroazardAgain, I end up wishing I didn't try to mod it.
18:10:51GodEaterwhy did you format it anyway ?
18:11:20TyroazardTo rid it of as much Apple as I can?
18:11:42TyroazardI just wanted a cleanup
18:12:04LambdaCalculus37Tyroazard: You sure you're not one of Stallman's guys? :)
18:12:08GodEaterwell formatting it (the bit windows considers a hard drive) won't acheive that anyway
18:12:23GodEateryou'd need to repartition it to do that, and then it'd be non-functional
18:12:48TyroazardWell, most of the music I had on the iPod was added in through Floola, and in the hidden music folder
18:13:09TyroazardI wanted to have them on for.. uh.. er..
18:13:17GodEaterso basically you've just formatted the drive as NTFS now I presume ?
18:13:21GodEaterinstead of FAT32 ?
18:13:24TyroazardNah, it's still FAT32
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18:13:32GodEaterthen that shouldn't have broken anything at all
18:13:55TyroazardStrange, let me try to boot it up again.
18:14:09TyroazardIt doesn't have any response.
18:14:26GodEater"no response" ?
18:14:35TyroazardYeah, no response.
18:14:44TyroazardNo Apple logo showing
18:14:49TyroazardNo screen lighting up
18:15:03GodEaterand you've done a hard reset on it ?
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18:15:19TyroazardI've formatted it through My Computer in Windows, yes.
18:15:27TyroazardYou mean
18:15:30TyroazardYes, I have.
18:15:50GodEaterwell that should produce an apple logo
18:16:39TyroazardCome to think of it, I may have absent mindedly turned the ipod off with the start/pause button.
18:16:54TyroazardWell, that was stupid of me.
18:17:30GodEaterdoesn't matter - a hard reset would still boot it again if you performed it properly
18:17:59GodEatera hard reset always boots an ipod
18:18:15TyroazardTrying that, doesn't seem to work
18:18:35TyroazardOh, there we go.
18:18:38TyroazardMuch better.
18:18:49TyroazardGah, typos, Thanks
18:19:09GodEaterso you have a working ipod now ?
18:19:12GodEaterboth apple and rockbox ?
18:19:18TyroazardUh, still no Apple
18:19:30TyroazardI don't think so, at least.
18:19:46GodEaterturn it off, then back on, and immediately flick the hold switch to on ?
18:19:52GodEateryou *have* read the manual right ?
18:20:32TyroazardYeah, but the last time I did this (Install Rockbox), I did it over a original firmware instal-
18:20:40TyroazardHere we go, OF's still on it
18:20:58GodEaterit's very hard to do an install over the OF
18:21:02GodEaterit's not a documented procedure
18:21:11GodEaterthe default install leaves the OF on there
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18:21:37TyroazardAh well.
18:21:50GodEaterthere's no good reason to remove it as far as I'm concerned
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18:22:39TyroazardHey look, the USB mode works again.
18:22:46Tyroazard(In Rockbox)
18:23:00TyroazardI seem to recall someone saying that it was broken?
18:23:33krazykitwell, usb on portalplayer devices (ipods, sansas, h10?) only has usb charging right now
18:23:39GodEaterthere isn't a usb mode in rockbox
18:23:41LambdaCalculus37Tyroazard: No, it's not complete yet. That's what that person must've meant.
18:23:55TyroazardSo it works on the iPod, I assume?
18:24:05LambdaCalculus37No, just charging.
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18:24:17GodEaterwe still use the apple emergency disk mode
18:24:24LambdaCalculus37You need to use the OF or Disk Mode on the iPod to do any file transfers.
18:24:39GodEaterthe problem is at the moment is that auto switching into this is hit and miss when connecting to a windows host
18:24:45TyroazardBut.. Rockbox showed a USB plug
18:24:46GodEaterit's fine for linux / mac for soem reason
18:24:59TyroazardAnd turned into a alternate Do Not Disconnect screen
18:25:11GodEaterthis would be the emergency disk mode I just mentioned
18:25:27TyroazardAh, I see.
18:25:40TyroazardBut what about the USB plug that shows for a while?
18:25:55GodEaterthats rockbox detecting the connection
18:26:01GodEaternothing more
18:26:01LambdaCalculus37Tyroazard: Rockbox does detect the connection, but can't do anything with it.
18:26:10*GodEater goes home
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18:26:21TyroazardI see.
18:26:45abadtoothHey guys, do any of you know how to take a screenshot with rockbox?
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18:28:16TyroazardPeople seem to leave whenever someone asks a question..
18:29:09abadtoothWhat was your question?
18:29:36PaulPositionAbad - Two possibilities : either you use the UIsimulator, which is *very* useful for WPS creation and such, or you use the 'screen dump' function in the debug menu. It's 'stay resident' and will create a bmp every time you plug in, out, the usb cable (I think there's no need for it to be attached to the computer)..
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18:29:50PaulPositionAbad - Been a while, so I'm unsure of the details, but that's about how you'd do.
18:30:13TyroazardUhm, is building database supposed to take a while?
18:30:22abadtoothPaulPosition: Okay thanks!
18:30:25TyroazardI only have like.. 70 songs
18:30:35abadtoothTyroazard: like how long?
18:31:08TyroazardI don't know, it's just staying at Building database... 14 found (PREV to return)
18:31:11abadtoothI have a few hundred and it takes less than a minute..
18:31:14PaulPositionTyro - Shouldn't be too long... But when it's done (you can usually tell by the disc-activity icon not lighting on) you still need to reboot the player to commit the database to memory.
18:31:33PaulPositionOh... lol, seems like db has changed since last time I used it..
18:31:51TyroazardI don't think the iPod has a disc activity icon ._., does it?
18:32:00PaulPosition(ie, it worked in the background, no status update screen like you seem to get)
18:32:19PaulPositionSorry for outdated info.. :(
18:32:41LambdaCalculus37Tyroazard: It does. It's a little spinning icon on the top left corner of the screen.
18:32:54TyroazardNot there
18:33:01LambdaCalculus37On Rockbox or OF?
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18:33:13LambdaCalculus37Top right then.
18:33:38TyroazardLet's see.. the top of the screen from the left
18:34:10TyroazardBattery, little triangle, square, arrow, 01:34
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18:37:09PaulPositionTyro - Maybe the db engine chokes on one of your files.. It happens, I think, when the id3 info for a file is too large (like a 1024*1024 embedded album art gfx).. :(
18:40:01w23Hello there. I'm trying to make another build server for you and ran into some problems with building m68k cross compiler. The script uses binutils-2.16.1 which apparently prevents gcc from being built (with Error: operands mismatch −− statement 'fmovem.l%fpcr,%d1' ignored). Internets say that this is fixed in 2.17, however rockbox refuses to compile with it.
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18:40:58TyroazardSo, how to fix?
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18:41:07TyroazardIt's still building, by the way.
18:41:35TyroazardTime to dive into the ipod
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18:42:17w23I have freebsd 6.whatever machine running on amd64 arch. And I was able to setup working building environment on gentoo with its crossdev utility earlier.
18:42:52w23But I'm pretty stuck here. Does anyone know what to do? :D :|
18:42:55TyroazardAh, nevermind.
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18:43:04TyroazardGoing to wipe out my music library too.
18:43:13TyroazardI only have like.. 60-70 files >.>
18:43:25Tyroazard72, actually.
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18:43:43rasherw23: I believe a few of the devs use freebsd, you might have luck if you hang around for a while
18:43:46PaulPositionTyro - I'd try putting stuff in one album at a time.. Chances are, if one of them has too big an id3 field, it's the same along all songs from the specific album..
18:44:07rasherw23: possibly markun, but I'm not entirely sure
18:44:13TyroazardOh right! I remember why I reformatted my iPod
18:44:43TyroazardWindows was whining about a Data Error and not being able to create files because they exsist.
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18:46:34w23rasher: thanks.
18:46:50amiconnLlorean: If you make plugin action contexts exclusive, you drop the whole point of it. Hence the whole concept can be dropped
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18:48:31amiconnIt means you would basically need one context per plugin - not really different from defining the buttons directly, apart from the added complexity (actions defined somewhere else)
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18:49:24amiconnThat is, the contexts could be defined within the plugin, if using the action *code* gives any advantage over plain button code
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18:51:13TyroazardOne last thing, is there any way to see how many dbs my music is playing at?
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18:51:35TyroazardSome of the themes display volume as -58db to +6db
18:51:39TyroazardWhat's the original?
18:51:50*amiconn wonders what the problem with the crashing fire.rock was
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18:52:37PaulPositionTyro - That's how most audio systems work. 0db being the max volume without distortion.
18:53:01TyroazardBut how many db is the original file playing at?
18:53:20PaulPositionTyro - That said, how many db could'NOT be told because that depends on hardware, headphones, etc.
18:54:04PaulPositionTyro - It's all just relative. You'd need a some sort of external meter to know just how many DBs are *really* output.
18:54:20TyroazardOh well.
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18:56:36rasherTyroazard: What you're seeing in the volume meter is the amount of amplification (>0) or attenuation (<0) your player is applying to the file
18:56:46PaulPositionPlugin vu-meter might help you compare songs and see which outputs the most, but it still won't tell you how much sound actually gets out of the headphones and pound into your eardrums.
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19:02:50preglowis ipodlinux completely dead or is it just me?
19:03:23LambdaCalculus37preglow: No, I think there's some activity going on over there.
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19:04:27rasherLambdaCalculus37: Recent Blogs: 5.5g iPods are working! (Mar. 7th, 2007)
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19:04:42scorche|wpreglow: its just restin'!
19:04:55LambdaCalculus37It's just pining for the fjords!
19:04:56preglownailed to its perch
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19:05:32amiconnAh, the reason for that crash is soo obvious. I'm sure TiMiD has never tested his patch on target
19:05:40LambdaCalculus37It's not quite dead.
19:05:42preglowso things are happening
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19:06:29amiconnTrying to put a struct with big arrays on the stack will crash for sure
19:06:39preglowthat's a quite sure sign he never tested it, yes
19:06:52scorche|wpreglow: mainly tiny fixes and typos, it seems
19:07:01amiconnSmallest case (archos) means 28KB end up on stack - but the main stack is onl 8KB
19:07:23amiconnAh, no, not 28KB (that wouldn't be possible), but 14KB
19:08:16PaulPositionBuschel - Ping.
19:08:27amiconnThe fire array and the cooling map.
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19:15:01SubliminautHey, rockbox used to work normally on my ipod 5g but now when I plug it into my PC with a usb cord, it just charges, doesn't go into disk mode to transfer files, any ideas how I can get it to pop into disk mode when connected to a PC again?
19:15:40LambdaCalculus37Yes, just shut down your iPod, then turn it on and immediately press SELECT+PLAY to enter Disk Mode.
19:16:23SubliminautThat's not the same..
19:16:45SubliminautI want the automatic disk mode back
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19:18:55PaulPositionAndree - Hi. Well, yeah.. I was wondering : if I'm to test the H10 (5gb, but they're pretty much alike) for those device disabling, I'd like to know where/what to start from..
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19:19:44PaulPositionAndree - ie, I dunno which patch I should edit with that commenting out/de-commenting stuff and such.
19:20:08PaulPositionI've tried to read your correspondance with Soap, but I must say I understand much less than he did. :o
19:20:12Buschelpaulposition: first you should check the values of DEV_EN/DEV_EN2/DEV_EN3/GPIO32/DEV_INIT1/DEV_INIT2 via engineering menu.
19:20:38Buschelpaulposition: DEV_INIT1/DEV_INIT2 need to be added though...
19:20:48Buschelin debug_menu.c
19:21:14*Buschel thinks about adding these changes to the patch for future debugging sessions
19:21:38PaulPositionBuschel - uhuh... Lemme startup vmware and have a look. Would that be done using the latest patch or should I use v10/v11 (the last few H10 changes) ?
19:22:17Buschelyou can also use older patches, but best would be to use v13 −− thats what I have here
19:22:42PaulPositionPerfect. I'll poke around a bit and ask you when I get stuck :p
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19:32:34saratogaBuschel: we've got more room on the debug menu, so you might as well add them
19:32:46saratogai've been thinking about adding some of the extra AS registers too
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19:38:23Buschel_I'll add it to the next patch version −− there is also some interesting debugging screen for the wheeldriver added
19:39:30saratogaBuschel_: have you found anything about the ipod's power management chip?
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19:39:59Buschel_no, but i did not search for it in the last days −− only some weeks before...
19:41:03saratogawell theres this:
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19:44:16saratogai don't know if it will actually work, but that chips claims to be able to adjust the voltage supplied to the CPU
19:44:37saratogawhich would certainly be worthwhile at 24Mhz clock
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19:48:06PaulPositionBuschel - Okay, so in debug_menu.c, DEV_EN3 shows a value that's accessed through inl(0x60006044) ... Where would I get the values for DEV_INIT1 and INIT2 ?
19:48:49Buschel_just add 2 new snprintf /line++ with DEN_INIT1 and DEV_INIT2 and rebuild
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19:50:08PaulPositionBuschel - Okay, there are actually constants for those? ( ...sizeof(buf), "DEV_INIT1: %08lx", DEV_INIT1); ?
19:50:19WeejayHi. Does anyone know if rock box will work on a sansa e260? The site states e200, but I am not sure if that is a reference to the 200 series or just that model
19:50:35Buschel_paulposition: yes, these registers are defined
19:50:42PaulPositione200 series, it will work allright, unless you've got a v2 version..
19:50:50PaulPositionThanks Andree.
19:51:24BigBambiWeejay: What original firmware version do you have?
19:51:31Weejayhow can i determine if its a v2 version? Sorry I have not purchased it yet
19:51:58WeejayI wanted to make sure I buy something that rock box will support,
19:52:18BigBambiWeejay: With a lot of difficulty
19:52:39BigBambiThe only sure way is to look at the original firmware version
19:52:54BigBambiMost also say v2 on the back of them, but without opening the box you can't see that
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19:53:12BigBambiAnd the box may mention Audible support (for v2s), but it may not
19:53:46rasherI think the cases where it doesn't are quite rare though?
19:53:54BigBambiI believe so
19:53:54obobut some V1s mention Audible support too
19:54:10BigBambirasher: But without opening the box it doesn't help much
19:54:16BigBambiobo: OK, strike that one :)
19:54:25WeejayDarn :-( Well I guess I can buy and return if its v2. I
19:54:44rasherBigBambi: well, if the box mentions audible, there's a higher chance that you're getting a v2, and if not, there's a higher chance you're getting a v1
19:55:10BigBambiI mentioned that :)
19:55:25BigBambiI meant you can't see if it has v2 written on the back whilst it is in the box
19:56:04WeejayGuys thanks for the feedback. I got a 84 dollar gift cert from I have quite a few options to buy. I wanted to get something with video support...
19:56:26Weejaymy coworker tells me that rock box is notorious for draining the battery. Is this true?
19:56:31preglowdepends on the target
19:56:44Weejayhe was talking about ipod specifically
19:56:46preglowon ipods, yes, rockbox does suck more battery than retailos
19:56:52BigBambiWeejay: Mainly on later ipods
19:57:02preglowbut it's being worked on currently by this very nice chap we have hanging around here :)
19:57:06*preglow pats Buschel_ on the backj
19:57:09Buschel_yep :)
19:57:12BigBambiSansa loses a bit, but that looks like getting much better soon
19:57:31*BigBambi sends Buschel_ back to the sweatshop
19:57:31Weejaydo I need windows to apply the firmware?
19:57:34preglowBigBambi: on pretty much all targets, rockbox lasts longer on a charge than the default os
19:57:44BigBambipreglow: Yeah, I know
19:57:52*preglow directs that message to the proper recipient
19:58:03BigBambipreglow: aha! :)
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19:58:57Buschel_saratoga: just fast reading the pcf-spec. it will be quite hard to play around with the register settings without ampere meter hooked to my ipod :/
20:03:42WeejayThis is the one I am thinking about buying:
20:04:37saratogaBuschel_: you really need to get a USB cable and splice in an amp meter
20:04:56saratogai'm half tempted to mail you one just so your work goes faster :)
20:05:08Buschel_yes... but i don't want to open up (and crash) my one and only ipod :/
20:05:24preglowBuschel_: pft, we'll get you another one! :)
20:05:33saratogathats what I mean about the USB cable, you don't need to open the ipod that way
20:05:51preglowsurely, the rockbox fund covers hardware busted to make rockbox better
20:06:04saratogawe don't currently charge the battery on the Ipods, so all the current in the cable is going to the player itself
20:07:52pregloware you sure all the current is drawn from usb, though?
20:09:39Buschel_hmm, the only thing rockbox set in pcf are 3 register for voltage supply (2x 3V, 1x3.3V)
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20:10:00PaulPositionBuschel - Okay, so prior to modifications, here's what patch v13 gives me in to debug io screen.. (need some other values?)
20:10:25Buschel_lets see...
20:11:45JdGordon|whas anyone else thought having an undo action for the playlist would be good?
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20:17:51Buschel_paulposition: wait a few seconds, i'll post something to pastebin soon
20:18:03PaulPositionBuschel - No problem, take your time. :)
20:18:57*PaulPosition is practicing scales and arpeggios on his bassguitar in the meantime. :p
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20:19:37saratogaso basically we're not using the power management chip for anything but simple voltage regulation
20:19:51saratogathat might explain the large edge the apple firmware has in battery life
20:19:53Buschel_paulposition: please add this to system-pp502x.c (you'll see the first code sequence) ->
20:20:24saratoga bet they run lower clock speeds at a much lower voltage then us
20:20:57PaulPositionBuschel - Will do, reporting when built and tested.
20:20:58Buschel_saratoga: i think i'll play around with these 3 settings. at what voltage the core should be able to run @24MHz?
20:21:18saratogaBuschel_: try a little lower and see if it crashes!
20:21:27saratogayou won't damage anything by undervolting
20:21:43saratogawhats it running at now?
20:21:46Buschel_saratoga: i know, but what is the core voltage?
20:21:58saratogaprobably around 1.2 to 1.3v I'd guess
20:22:03saratogaits a 130nm chip right?
20:22:15saratogathe sansa runs stable unboosted at 1.1v for reference
20:22:27Buschel_saratoga: only the dock connector is documented in the source, the others are unknown...
20:22:34saratogaor at least it does for a couple minutes
20:22:42saratogaBuschel_: ?
20:23:31Buschel_saratoga: the source code sais 1 of those 3 registers controls some connector pin, the other 2 are unknown
20:24:45Buschel_saratoga: i cannot right now as a battery bench is running (and will finish tomorrow morning)
20:25:00Buschel_ahem, *test* right now
20:25:18saratogabah another reason you need to start doing current readings
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20:27:20PaulPositionBuschel - Is it normal *all* the DEV_RS... stuff is then commented out? Compiling right now anyway, but I thought I'd ask.
20:27:55Buschel_paulposition: this is ok, but i am not sure about the line in between... −− we will see
20:28:36saratogaalright got to do some real work today, good luck
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20:28:48PaulPositionJust to make sure, when you said 'add this' you really meant 'replace with' right?
20:28:54Buschel_paulposition: we will do several changes ;o) btw, you do not need to do a clean build, "make" is sufficient
20:29:41PaulPositionOh, well I always make clean first.. But I'll skip it next build.
20:29:55Buschel_will save some time (at least on my PC)
20:30:08PaulPositionOh, I'm sure it will save a lot of time ;)
20:31:55PaulPositionIs there a way to pipe the warnings and errors through some files or some such under debian? My vmware console doesn't let me browse back far enough and I miss quite a few lines of output when compiling.
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20:40:03Buschel_paulposition: still building?
20:40:09JdGordon|wPaulPosition: make > output.txt
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20:41:31PaulPositionBuschel Copying to device.
20:41:40PaulPositionJdGordon thanks, I'll try that next time :)
20:41:57Buschel_paulposition: your PC must nearly be as old as mine :)
20:42:07JdGordon|wuse 2> instead of > to get stderr instead of stdout
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20:44:14PaulPositionBuschel - Let's just say my pc isn't much of a game platform.. Unless I want to play Grim Fandango or GrandPrix Legends.. :p
20:44:26PaulPosition(ie, circa 2000)
20:45:21Buschelmine is '99 (my wife's one, my own one was '96)
20:45:29Buschelsometimes it's a pain...
20:46:09JdGordon|wyikes.. time for new boxes :p
20:46:10PaulPositionBuschel - Okay, so boot without a problem. input/output screen reports the exact same numbers however..
20:46:30Xerionffs why is my h140 the only one that seems unable to give enough current to the 60GB hd...
20:46:42Buschelpaulposition: same numbers as before the change?
20:47:00Xeriondisk just can't spin up on battery alone :/
20:47:02PaulPositionSeems so.. Maybe I f*ed up somewhere.. :p
20:48:00Buschelhmm, it should at least show changes in DEV_EN and DEV_EN3... we are talking about a H10, do we?
20:48:09JdGordon|wXerion: dead battery?
20:48:24Xerionit's a new battery, i though about that before
20:48:34PaulPositionWe sure do... Let me rebuild it (without making clean) and see if maybe I didn't save that .c file soon enough :o
20:48:39*PaulPosition blushes
20:48:40Xerionthe voltages seem ok
20:49:03Xerioneven with the ac adapter plugged in the backlight flickers when the drive spins up...
20:50:01PaulPositiona lot? A whole lot of lots.
20:50:24PaulPosition(oops..) a lot of time saved, that is, from not making clean.
20:51:36PaulPositionbb in a minute, coffee is boiling..
20:52:01*Buschel enjoys his Beck's Gold
20:52:26Buschelbrewed in my birth town of Bremen :)
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20:55:08Xerionmaybe I should just buy a sansa :/
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20:57:16WeejayXerion: from the commit logs it looks like sansa firmware is heavily under development
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20:57:52Xerionso? :P
20:58:03Xerionstill better than an unusable h140 ;)
20:58:06amiconnImho a sansa would be a significant step back compared to an H1x0
20:58:18Xerioni know it would be :p
21:00:24amiconnUnfortunately, remote diagnosis for the kind of problem your H1x0 shows is practically impossible
21:00:34Xerioni know
21:01:16amiconnI can imagine a ton of reasons for such behaviour, but all of them need measurements on the actual object, plus knowledge of how it behaved before
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21:06:28PaulPositionBuschel - Well, it has me puzzled alright, but after wiping the .rockbox folder, making sure I saved the 'system-pp502x.c' file, re-compiling and reinstalling, I *still* have the same values showing up as with straight v13 patch.
21:06:35BigBambiWeejay: All targets are under syngnificant development
21:06:54WeejayBigBambi: I was just impressed with the commit rates...didn't check any other :-D
21:07:00Weejayyou guys are super hard at work
21:07:05BigBambiWeejay: Most commits (excluding hardware specific) are for a range of targets
21:07:53BigBambiThe frontpage is commits for everything, there are no unit specific commit logs
21:08:02Buschelpaulposition: ?? change "#if defined (IRIVER_H10)" to "#if 1"
21:08:17PaulPositionBuschel - I pasted the 'new' values AND my current system-pp502x.c ==>
21:08:23preglowsomeone with ida pro should check what pcf regs apple touches
21:08:25PaulPositionAnd I'll try that. :p
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21:09:49Buschelpaulposition: your change looks good
21:10:13Buschelpreglow: indeed
21:10:25PaulPositionBuschel - Just to make sure there isn't *another* system-pp502x file, it's under firmware/target/arm right?
21:10:31preglowthat would give us valuable hints
21:10:57preglowhmm, the pcf does i2c communication, yes?
21:11:24Buschelpaulposition: no, there is only one. are you sure you updated the correct version to your device?
21:11:43Buschelpreglow: it does
21:12:05PaulPositionSure do, deleted all different rockbox folders from my desktop before copying and extracting the newish one.. (twice)
21:12:06preglowahh, yes, i disassembled that part of the bootloader before
21:12:20PaulPositionCan I have some sort of a 'cache' problem with either vmware or xp?
21:12:21preglowi even found the routine that talks to the pcf, but that was the bootloader, and we're more interested in retailos
21:12:28Xerionamiconn, what player would you get if you had to get a new one now?
21:12:51amiconnpreglow, Buschel: I guess that there's a similar technology transition regarding core voltages of the PP chips as in the coldfires of the same performance class
21:13:10amiconnColdfire MCF5249 uses 1.8V core voltage, SCF5250 uses 1.2V
21:14:04amiconnSo my guess is that PP5020 (and also PP5002?) uses ~1.8V, while PP5022 uses ~1.2V. That would explain the significantly reduced power consumption
21:14:20amiconnBut I doubt that any PP OF uses dynamic voltage
21:14:57amiconnIf the PP chips would support it, I would expect the product brief to mention it (of course keeping the details secret)
21:15:21preglowdynamic, no, but they might adjust it after bl
21:18:37Buschelpaulposition: you've checked whether the new build was copied to your device?
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21:18:46amiconnI doubt it. And if we do dynamic voltage while the OF does not, we are (1) still doing something wrong, performance wise and (2) we're miles away from specs
21:19:36amiconnAlthough (2) might not be that important, considering that we're probably out of specs in other areas on PP, because of those darn secret specs
21:19:57PaulPositionBuschel - Okay, this time there was some changes to DEV_EN and DEV_EN3...
21:20:33PaulPositionBuschel - And yes, I looked for date modified everytime.. Even erased the .rockbox from my device to make sure.
21:20:52amiconnAnd then, dynamic voltage would introduce a few performance related problems which are difficult to solve with the current boosting scheme
21:22:06Buschelpaulposition: ok, now change DEV_EN2 to 0x2000
21:22:30amiconn(1) boosting would have to become slower, as voltage must be allowed to build up. (2) simple 2-frequency switching means sub-optimal efficiency with dynamic voltage
21:23:14PaulPositionBuschel - 0x00002000 or 0x20000000 ??
21:23:33PaulPositionfigured as much.
21:23:36Lloreanamiconn: In truth, I'm for removal of the button actions system. At least, "removal, and if someone can make it 'safe' then it can be re-added later"
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21:29:33PaulPositionBuschel - Hmm, I guess there's something screwy with my building process or my device or I don't know what, 'cause after I make and make zip and extract to player I get the same values in DEV_EN2 as I got before (2020 not 2000) ... Maybe a reboot is in order.. :o
21:29:57PaulPositionBut if I re-open the .c file, the changes are there alright.
21:32:00Buschelyou may just copy the rockbox.ipod to your device (./rockbox)
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21:32:54amiconnjhMikeS: around?
21:33:08PaulPositionI'll reboot and try again... be right back.
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21:43:14Buschelpaul (I'll shorten you name if oyou don't mind): any news?
21:43:44scorche|wtab completion..
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21:45:07pixelmascorche|w: chanting agiain? ;)
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21:45:32zichoIs there any planning to port rockbox to the sansa view
21:46:04PaulPositionBuschel - Copying to device after compiling from clean dir... Will see. :o
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21:46:52zeare ports ever planned for anything? i thought they were just opportunistic collisions of possession and hackability
21:46:52LambdaCalculus37zicho: Some people are talking about it, but no plans are ever set in stone. Ports are done by people who are interested in doing one.
21:47:14zichoLambdaCalculus37, okay.
21:48:48PaulPositionBuschel - I'm puzzled. DEV_EN2 0x2020 again. Maybe it's the device I need to reformat or something.. :o
21:49:27PaulPositionBuschel - Sounds like the if def was right all along and something not-kosher's happening at my place.
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21:49:33Buschelhmm, rockbox does not set this bit... any effect when using 0x20 only?
21:49:57PaulPositionI can try that. 20 instead of 2020 or 2000 right?
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21:54:12*Domonoky just sent out a mail to the mailing list with a very early alpha of rbutil with console interface. Lets see if this is more accessible than GUI :-)
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21:56:04musicmissionнарод есть тут русско говорливые?
21:56:14BigBambiEnglish please
21:56:30Domonokymusicmission: please stay english, i only see gibberish.. :-)
21:56:39Lloreanmusicmission: This is an English language channel.
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21:56:50musicmissionok sorry
21:57:40musicmissionis anybody here?
21:57:51PaulPositionBuschel - Well, with 0x20 it seems it just won't boot.
21:57:57JdGordon|walso, your far more liekly to actually get help speaking english
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21:58:00Buschelpaul: as I have to leave right now -> describes the needed test builds. quite a lot for H10... just give me a PM with the results
21:58:17PaulPositionWhich, I guess, means something does happen. I'll have a look at those.
21:58:32PaulPositionBuschel - How much time does pastebin stuff stays alive?
21:58:37Buschelpaul: ahh, you were faster. ok, then it may be the LCD
21:58:37musicmissionYes Yes help me help!!!
21:58:40PaulPositionBah, I'll copypaste anyway. :)
21:58:59Domonokymusicmission: just ask your question..
21:59:06PaulPositionBuschel - Thanks, I'll look at what I can do from there :)
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21:59:51Buschelpaul: so, DEV_EN and DEV_EN2 is finished. then you may also enable the 4 "/* reset all allowed devices */" lines −− should work
21:59:55musicmissioni want to study my english
22:00:30Buschelpaul: thanks for your support −− will have a look at your results tomorrow morning. good night!
22:00:36PaulPositionSame to you :)
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22:01:01BigBambimusicmission: If you have a rockbox question ask it
22:01:49musicmissionok, what is "rockbox"?
22:02:19BigBambiIf you don't know that, why are you here?
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22:03:39musicmissionok thak you, I really like a new HTML pages!!!!
22:03:50musicmissionI need more
22:03:59BigBambimusicmission: This is an on-topic channel
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22:07:01david---g'day everyone
22:07:34musicmissionmaybe night?
22:07:49david---depends on where you live
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22:08:45david---in austria its 22:09
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22:08:49stripwaxmusicmission - do you have a question about rockbox or are you just wanting to chat?
22:08:51BigBambiKeep on topic please chaps
22:09:09david---whats topic?
22:09:51david---not anything specifik?
22:09:53BigBambiIf you have a question related to rockbox, ask it. If not keep quiet please. This is a logged develpment and support channel
22:10:11david---i was just boared
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22:11:39shotofaddshow do I get a stack trace from the sim under gdb? when the sim hits a segv gdb says "Cannot find user-level thread for LWP 17680: no LWP to satisfy query" and refuses to backtrace.
22:12:58Domonokyand its a debug sim build ?
22:13:32musicmissionI whant to find english chat where i can practis my english, help me?
22:13:59BigBambimusicmission: NOT here
22:14:01JdGordon|wjoin #anythingbutipod much more fun
22:14:34musicmissionha ha yahooo!!!
22:14:38stripwaxmusicmission -
22:14:43Lloreanmusicmission: Please be quiet. This room is for work.
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22:25:30shotofaddsDomonoky: I saw the "-DDEBUG" against the (S)imulator option in the configure script and figured the sim was debug by default. Clearly i was wrong, just doing a rebuild :/
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22:26:55JdGordon|wshotofadds: sim _has_ debug by default...
22:27:38JdGordon|wbut iirc the DEBUG define is for targets... depends on what you actually are trying to debug you can use DEBUGF() (wrapper for printf)
22:27:58shotofaddsJdGordon|w: yep, I just found the rebuild made no difference - so my original question still stands..
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22:29:00shotofaddsI made a new sim build for the D2 - it crashes when you try to play a song, so trying to get a stack trace
22:29:54JdGordon|wah, just saw the question... well first thign to try is make sure you can actually play music in the sim with a different target?
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22:31:09shotofaddsyep, I'm building a H120 sim as we speak
22:33:26pixelmashotofadds: did I see correctly that the D2 screen is 320x240 colour (and touch screen)?
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22:35:11*Bagder adds a new build server
22:35:28JdGordon|whey Bagder, see my pm yesterday?
22:36:14*JdGordon|w would like to get his computers doing something more useful than sitting doing nothing :p
22:36:24Bagderbut I don't have any particular plans in modding the build system, so if you want to avoid uploads you can do sim builds
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22:37:05JdGordon|w? wait, was it fixed so sims could be done and not main builds?
22:37:18JdGordon|wwhen was *
22:38:02Bagderit's always been like that
22:38:06shotofaddspixelma: yes, that's correct. For the time being the intention is to use the touchscreen to simulate up/down/left/right buttons, I think.
22:38:25shotofaddssheesh, I should have built a sim with less plugins
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22:39:28JdGordon|wBagder: if you say so :p
22:40:05pixelmashotofadds: I wanted to know if new bitmaps are needed (for plugins or whatever) but seems like it isn't needed because the screen resolution is the same as the Ipod Videos
22:40:24JdGordon|wshotofadds: make bin
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22:40:43rasherBagder: idea, if you're going to do something to the build system at some point in the future, add in version-checks, so that you know that a server has the right version of the toolchain before you order a build
22:40:46JdGordon|wand you want to split the screen into buttons instead of going the stylus/fingure mthod?
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22:41:29Bagderwe should probably start a wiki page for things to do in the next gen build scripts
22:41:32stripwaxare profiling builds known to work (and is support device specific)?
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22:43:04n1sstripwax: no and yes
22:43:07*stripwax wonders what would happen if stereo tremor mdct could be made to run on both pp502x cores
22:43:11stripwaxn1s - ah
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22:44:00n1sor rather the output from a profiling build can only be understood by the script if said build is m68k
22:44:14JdGordon|wBagder: you got 6 more cores once I get ports forwarded for the sims
22:44:22n1sand when I tried it a couple of months ago it didn't work well
22:44:52shotofaddsJdGordon|w: probably only using button emulation as an intermediate measure, I guess. Could still be useful for things like plugins in the long run.
22:44:52stripwaxn1s - thanks for the info.
22:45:18n1sstripwax: lostlogic is the one who made it so maybe you can poke him :)
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22:45:55JdGordon|wshotofadds: maybe we'll add both systems in and let the user choose? seen as it would only affect the 2 targets
22:46:16stripwaxn1s - will try building first and see what happens - ta
22:46:47stripwaxNico_P - have you had time to look at sliding_puzzle yet?
22:47:19shotofaddsJdGordon|w: sounds like a good idea, if possible. eg. the D2's retail .swf player gives a choice of stylus or keypad-style control on startup
22:47:21Nico_Pstripwax: sorry, no :(
22:47:28Nico_Pexam week
22:48:09JdGordon|wshotofadds: everything is possible :) your touchpad driver returns an x/y pixel value?
22:48:15shotofaddsJdGordon|w: hmm, the H120 sim segv's as well - let me try some other tracks
22:48:23JdGordon|whopefully the same way the mr500 does?
22:48:30JdGordon|wtry an ogg if your not...
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22:51:53shotofaddsJdGordon|w: I've tried mp3, ogg & flac. all give the same segv here. running on the rockbox VMware image (debian 2.4.something)
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22:52:07shotofaddswonder if that's an issue?
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23:00:02stripwaxHm - I'm getting a build error with profiling enabled, seems it's looking for functions named __cyg_profile_func_enter/exit but only found profile_func_enter/exit in profile.c
23:00:15stripwaxseeing if just an alias fixes the build
23:02:29shotofaddsJdGordon|w: the D2's touchscreen driver can have the same/similar interface to the m:robe, assuming your z1/z2 are comparable to my p1/p2
23:04:01shotofaddsthough this is al slightly academic at the moment since I don't have a main build working yet...
23:04:14JdGordon|wI'm not handling the z1/z2 at all yet...
23:05:26shotofaddsi'm not really sure what to do with them, though from the returned values it seems I can determine the size of the area pressed.
23:06:21JdGordon|wunless we want to do something fancy and try to figure out if its a stylus or a finger I think we can ignore that
23:07:42shotofaddsI may need to use them to detect pendown - reading the pendown interrupt flag from the PCF currently returns zero permanently :(
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23:09:59simonrvni found some stuff that sigmatel has been doing with their stmp36xx stuff and linux. i suppose having this would make it rather easy to port the sansa express to rockbox?
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23:14:16Casainhohello Rockbox people!! :-9
23:14:22Bagdersimonrvn: "easy" is probably not the right word
23:14:36CasainhoI am looking for a person who name is: DominikWenger -> from Twiki
23:15:00Bagderthe more details that are known, the fewer problems there are of course
23:15:14rasherCasainho: check the IrcNicks page
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23:15:27BagderI don't know of any serious attempts to work on the sansa express
23:15:29simonrvnthat's pretty much what i meant with my statement. good :).
23:15:32Casainhorasher: thanks :-)
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23:16:07simonrvnBagder: that was my next question. seems people have investigated, but no actual porting stuff done
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23:16:24Bagdersimonrvn: yeps, that's the situation as I've understood it
23:16:28simonrvni started a page on the rockbox wiki for it
23:17:06CasainhoDominikWenger is not on the IrcNicks page and I don't know who is him? :-(
23:17:22simonrvntheir website ( has a bunch of tarballs, bootloader, source for that, a chroot env., other things
23:18:05stripwaxCasainho - look again. yes he is.
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23:19:21Casainhostripwax: thanks - I saw now - I made a search for that text and It didn't found, my mistake :-) thanks :-)
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23:21:32Aevumno hope for the classic, no ?
23:22:18JdGordon|wclassic what?
23:22:21scorche|wno hope as long as no one is working on it
23:25:06Aevumok, thank you
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23:31:52Casainhois there anyway for I know what pages DominikWenger changed on Twiki? - I would like to know in what he is involved..
23:32:35Bagderwhy does that matter?
23:32:36*JdGordon|w wants a stalker :'(
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23:33:31scorche|wJdGordon|w: ddalton...
23:33:53CasainhoBagder: I would like to know what work he already did... I usualy like to read about others works...
23:34:04Casainhois the same as read your blog :-)
23:34:28Bagderhe's one of the main authors of the rbutil, as an example
23:35:09Casainhohardware, he works, knows about hardware? - he edit the page of RB player :-) - with good information :-)
23:35:19scorche|wBagder: we really should start talking about devcon...
23:35:50BagderI know
23:36:02scorche|wdo you have some time tonight?
23:36:07JdGordon|wjust dont do it exam week :'( i really want to come
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23:36:52scorche|wBagder: or perhaps this weekend will be better?...well, i guess i will be in seattle..
23:37:23JdGordon|wor the good ol mailing list
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23:40:34Casainhogood night :-)
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23:41:34JdGordon|wstalker, headhunter or present/past/potential employer?
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23:47:00shotofaddsi'm about to commit the D2 sim build (no plugins yet) - any reason why it shouldn't be added to the build table?
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23:48:03BagderI'm a believer in adding builds early to the build table
23:49:28shotofaddsnot that I can see that far off to the right ;-)
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23:50:38Bagderthey're actually sorted, so it'll appear "somewhere"
23:50:57Bagderthey're sorted on the full title, but the title is then chopped up a bit in the generated images
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