#rockbox 2008-01-24

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#rockbox log for 2008-01-24

00:00:25	stripwax	and resetting your rockbox settings? or are you just updating? 16149 and 16151 should behave the same
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00:01:21	trypt	i'll reset the settings
00:01:47	trypt	i don't use database mode, just file/folder viewer
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00:02:49	webguest84	I need a link for rockboy is that possible ?
00:03:00	krazykit	rockboy is included in the builds
00:03:03	webguest84	?
00:03:16	stripwax	webguest84 - have you installed rockbox?
00:03:20	soap	the issue you are experiencing is mentioned explicitly in the manual.
00:04:47	trypt	who me?
00:04:54	trypt	i just reset settings, it's still happening
00:05:06	webguest84	Ah
00:05:20	webguest84	Yes I accidently erased rockboy
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00:05:25	soap	sorry trypt, not you.
00:06:40	trypt	it took 15 seconds for a song to start, then when i skip to the next song, it's been at least 60 seconds and still hasn't started yet, but i can hear the disk spinning
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00:08:03	stripwax	trypt - hm. does the original Apple firmware still work ok? does running a disk check show up any problems? just trying to think of ruling out hardware/filesystem problems . I'll see if i can reproduce your problem (last time I tried - this morning - mp3 playback worked fine for me on ipod 5g 60gb)
00:09:01	trypt	well i'd have to install itunes and load some songs onto my ipod through it to check that, guess i'll have to
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00:09:18	trypt	does rockbox have a disk check utility, or you mean in windows or itunes?
00:09:28	stripwax	actually I meant in windows
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00:11:48	trypt	disk check OK
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00:15:36	preglow	stripwax: did you compile tremolo, or?
00:16:29	stripwax	there's quite a lot of changes need to be made, and I'm not familiar with Tremor, so it's not there yet
00:16:44	stripwax	like, the way all of the source files are different...
00:16:59	stripwax	unless there's an easy way to just drop it in without making any changes somehow?
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00:19:08	stripwax	ah, was about to ask trypt something .. won't bother now
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00:24:08	preglow	really?
00:24:21	preglow	i didn't look to closely
00:24:29	preglow	so he's gutted out all the c code that he reimplements?
00:25:20	stripwax	renamed functions, changed structures, the works. but then again, the rockbox implementation of Tremor seems to have also made a bunch of diffs against the official Tremor anyway ,which makes the whole diffing process hard
00:25:51	stripwax	so not sure which of these structural changes are his own, and which are ours, and which might just be because he's forked a different version of Tremor..
00:26:46	rasher	Shouldn't the utils dir be in the tarballs?
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00:27:23	Bagder	I think it should
00:27:45	amiconn	why?
00:27:54	rasher	Icons and backdrops should at least
00:28:05	amiconn	utils aren't needed for building rockbox
00:28:08	Bagder	amiconn: because it is code related to rockbox hacking
00:28:19	rasher	amiconn: plenty of things in the tarballs aren't
00:28:44	Bagder	and because we have no other tarballs offering that code
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00:30:19	stripwax	e.g. our mdct.c and his are very different ,and I suspect most of those diffs are annoyingly mostly cosmetic
00:33:25	preglow	stripwax: oh well, it's gpl, we could just adapt it
00:33:49	stripwax	bsd
00:33:51	stripwax	and yeah
00:33:56	preglow	no, i believe his code is gpl
00:34:10	preglow	at least it said so on the site
00:34:35	stripwax	oh - you're right. was thinking about tremor.
00:34:43	stripwax	but still, yep
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00:41:35	deranger	hey people, anyone here willing to help with a major crisis?
00:41:53	preglow	just ask what needs asking
00:42:34	deranger	well, last night I had to turn off my rockboxed X5 in a hurry and when I tried booting up again it said 'no partition found'
00:43:04	deranger	and now I can't connect to the pc at all
00:44:54	*	preglow has no idea about x5
00:45:36	deranger	hmm well I figured it would be a rockbox issue, not really a specific player issue
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00:46:02	preglow	rescuing a player is very player specific
00:46:27	deranger	ie: the rockbox firmware wont be recognised by windows
00:46:32	stripwax	hm, too much has changed, and it's too late to get my head around it tonight.
00:46:39	amiconn	You can connect to the pc
00:46:49	amiconn	Power off the X5, then connect it
00:47:02	amiconn	The cowon loader will detect the connection and go into usb mode
00:47:33	stripwax	and so on that note, gnight.. mabye will take a fresh look at tremolo later
00:47:33	deranger	oh it connects yeh but I cant access my files
00:48:24	deranger	the player is dual boot as well, but I didnt realise that it always loaded into rockbox
00:48:55	amiconn	Well, if rockbox says 'no partition' and you also can't access the data from the pc, it means the partition is broken somehow
00:49:23	deranger	yep but the files are there, because I can play them using cowon firmware
00:49:35	amiconn	uh?
00:49:35	preglow	stripwax: night
00:49:53	deranger	just cant view the drive and 'change files' etc
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00:50:17	amiconn	If you have rockbox then you don't have the OF available anymore, unless you're using the unsupported dualboot patch
00:50:20	deranger	as when connected via usb, the rockbox firmware is default
00:50:52	amiconn	The cowon loader's usb mode is independent of rockbox
00:51:21	deranger	hmm.. that is very sad then
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00:51:51	amiconn	If you cannot access your files from the pc even though the drive appears, it means your partition is broken, and the cowon software manages to find it in spite of that
00:52:14	deranger	sure
00:52:20	amiconn	But that probably means that the filesystem itself is ok, and only the partition table is broken
00:52:46	deranger	is it fixable though or is it the end of the line?
00:53:18	amiconn	I think it's fixable, but if not, you'd only need to repartition, reformat and put the music back on
00:54:25	amiconn	(with fixable I mean without needing to reformat)
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00:54:39	deranger	all right, is there any literature on the rockbox website to help me with this?
00:54:40	rasher	Why is Sazanami-Mincho-Regular-11.fnt in svn?
00:55:25	deranger	I have no issues formatting.. it'll take a bit of time, im more concerned about my player being a paper weight or not
00:56:11	preglow	it almost certainly ain't
00:56:27	amiconn	The iaudio X5, M5 and M3 is always recoverable, unless it's physically broken of course
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00:57:14	deranger	well, its been doing fine apart from the fact that I 'switched it off without pausing or stopping the file'
00:57:31	deranger	only when I tried to boot up again about 10 mins later I got the error message
00:58:02	amiconn	If you're going to reformat, you first need to recreate a partition, and format it with fat32. Make sure you don't format in superfloppy mode (which might not be supported by the OF - it would also be recoverable from that of course)
00:58:49	deranger	Ill need to work out how to actually format :)
00:58:57	amiconn	Then unzip a rockbox build, put your music back, and there you go. You don't need to reinstall the bootloader, as it's still in flash of course
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01:01:28	deranger	all right, silly question, how to format without connection to my pc?
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01:26:49	pixelma	derangered: did you try turning the player off and then plugging the USB cable, this should get you in what amicann called "the cowon loader's usb mode", maybe it's then connecting
01:27:39	pixelma	and he also suggested that... should've read further back
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01:29:44	derangered	I always plug in the usb cable after the power's off
01:30:06	derangered	plugging the player in via usb causes my explorer software to freeze
01:30:18	derangered	and my computer etc unaccessible
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01:31:16	derangered	as it's the only way I can physically view the files
01:32:26	Orac	Hey, could someone give me write permission on the wiki? My username is TroyJansen
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02:50:52	pointofwork	hello there! i need help, i have to create a modification to a generic type of mp3 player, my requirement is that after writing some mp3 files to the device, i need it to be unerasable, but still allows the user to write/erase to the unused space, can i use rockbox to do this? thanks to you all, i appreciate any help.
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02:53:41	krazykit	pointofwork, no, for various reasons. 1) you'd have to port rockbox, a long process, typically. 2) rockbox runs on a FAT32 filesystem, meaning the operating system will manipulate it as it wants to. rockbox can't prevent this, really.
02:56:54	pointofwork	thanks krazykit, is there anyway to modify the existing firmware on mp3 players to do this? can you give suggestion on how should i approach this?
02:57:20	TiMiD[FD]	no
02:57:42	pointofwork	im really new to hardware mods, but im a programmer.
02:57:51	TiMiD[FD]	technically impossible if your players connects to the computer via UMS
02:58:19	krazykit	please keep in mind that this channel is about rockbox, and anything else is offtopic.
02:58:29	TiMiD[FD]	the computer will always have access to the whole storage space whatever you do
02:58:39	rasher	TiMiD[FD]: if it was a software ums target, couldn't you have a partitioned drive of which Rockbox only exposed one?
02:59:09	TiMiD[FD]	are there software ums targets ?
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03:00:01	rasher	All the pp targets
03:00:03	pointofwork	whats a ums target?
03:00:44	TiMiD[FD]	ok so on pp targets it would be feasible
03:00:54	TiMiD[FD]	although I don't really see the point
03:01:00	rasher	.. maybe.
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03:01:40	pointofwork	how about completely making the mp3 player unwritable, maybe that would be easier
03:01:43	TiMiD[FD]	you would have to emulate a partition table
03:02:13	pointofwork	ok
03:02:41	pointofwork	ill research on that.
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03:09:33	DarkXaero	alright i need some real quick help
03:09:53	DarkXaero	i have a sansa e200 r
03:09:58	DarkXaero	just installed rockbox on it successfully
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03:10:52	DarkXaero	however, when i am in rockbox on the sansa
03:10:52	DarkXaero	and i go on the files menu
03:10:52	DarkXaero	it doesn't show all the folders including the ".rockbox" folder
03:11:12	TiMiD[FD]	ah
03:11:17	rasher	DarkXaero: sounds like you haven't read the manual
03:11:22	TiMiD[FD]	because the folders are hidden
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03:28:32	johnaintdoe	hello?
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03:29:26	johnaintdoe	I can't compile arm-elf-gcc using the rockboxdev.sh script
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03:29:52	krazykit	johnaintdoe, what operating system?
03:29:57	johnaintdoe	linux
03:30:01	johnaintdoe	ubuntu 7.10
03:30:08	krazykit	do you have build-essential installed?
03:30:12	johnaintdoe	ya
03:30:19	johnaintdoe	gcc 4.1.3
03:30:52	krazykit	could you copy the error output to pastebin.ca ?
03:31:06	johnaintdoe	ok
03:32:15	johnaintdoe	sorry I'm a little confused
03:32:32	ashes	i'd like rockbox to run ntpd. dispite lacking a network device ntpd can still correct the local clock. my iriver losses time on a fairly consistant basis
03:32:32	iain_dalton	A while ago, the build page listed Sansa e200 as broken, but now it doesn't. If broken was referring to the screen going black when plugged into USB, it's still broken for me.
03:33:13	krazykit	iain_dalton, i believe that means it didn't build correctly.
03:33:26	krazykit	ashes, so port it :)
03:33:33	iain_dalton	ashes: I may be a humble user, but I think ntpd can only work if it's networked, hence the n in the name.
03:33:55	DarkXaero	<rasher> DarkXaero: sounds like you haven't read the manual
03:33:55	DarkXaero	<TiMiD[FD]> because the folders are hidden
03:34:03	DarkXaero	the ".rockbox" folder isn't hidden :]
03:34:34	iain_dalton	krazykit: what means that, the "broken" that was on the build page, or the fact that the screen goes black?
03:35:02	krazykit	iain_dalton, the "broken" on the build table should refer to the target not building correctly.
03:35:54	iain_dalton	krazykit: All right. I guess I should submit a bug report about the black screen then. It's been that way since the 19th's build
03:36:09	johnaintdoe	krazykit: Platform set to ipodmini2g
03:36:09	johnaintdoe	Build (N)ormal, (A)dvanced, (S)imulator, (B)ootloader, (M)anual (N)
03:36:09	johnaintdoe	n
03:36:09	DBUG	Enqueued KICK johnaintdoe
03:36:09	johnaintdoe	Normal build selected
03:36:09	johnaintdoe	Using source code root directory: /home/johnaintdoe/Desktop/rockbox-20080123
03:36:09	***	Alert Mode level 1
03:36:09	johnaintdoe	../tools/configure: 1694: arm-elf-gcc: not found
03:36:11	johnaintdoe	../tools/configure: 1698: arm-elf-ld: not found
03:36:13	johnaintdoe	WARNING: The compiler you must use (arm-elf-gcc) is not in your path!
03:36:15	johnaintdoe	WARNING: this may cause your build to fail since we cannot do the
03:36:16	krazykit	johnaintdoe, no, in pastebin.ca
03:36:17	johnaintdoe	WARNING: checks we want now.
03:36:19	johnaintdoe	Using arm-elf-ld
03:36:21	johnaintdoe	Created Makefile
03:36:25	johnaintdoe	srry
03:36:25	krazykit	scorche
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03:37:01	krazykit	johnaintdoe, if you installed it correctly, you still need to add it to your path
03:37:10	krazykit	which should be detailed on the wiki page
03:37:31	johnaintdoe	oh
03:37:33	DarkXaero	alright, so why doesn't my ".rockbox" folder appear?
03:37:37	DarkXaero	its not hidden
03:37:37	johnaintdoe	i'll see that
03:38:09	Llorean	DarkXaero: The .rockbox folder is hidden because folders beginning with . are hidden.
03:38:41	DarkXaero	lol
03:38:41	DarkXaero	wow
03:38:48	DarkXaero	so what should i do to make it appear?
03:39:00	krazykit	read the manual.
03:39:18	DarkXaero	it appeared automatically in the other sansa that i have
03:39:19	johnaintdoe	krazykit: i looked into the wiki but it doesn't say
03:39:55	iain_dalton	DarkXaero: There's an option to view all files
03:39:55	TiMiD[FD]	DarkXaero: this is only a setting to change if you search through the menus you'll find it
03:39:58	johnaintdoe	krazykit: it says how to do it manually but it says you're all set if you use the script
03:40:16	krazykit	johnaintdoe, pretty sure i've never had the script do it for me. check this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_4_Add_the_cross_compiler_di
03:41:15	DarkXaero	alright, thanks
03:41:47	DarkXaero	alright, got it thanks
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03:41:56	DarkXaero	i looked for that option before in the settings and missed it
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03:44:19	johnaintdoe	thank you very much
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04:14:15	countrymonkey	Are fs#8496 and fs#8502 in committable states?
04:14:47	countrymonkey	I know I am doing way too many patches. It's just because I'm bored.
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04:16:22	krazykit	countrymonkey, it looks like #8502 also has the vew/view stuff in it.
04:17:22	countrymonkey	Woops. I'll fix that. Is 8496 committable?
04:18:06	krazykit	countrymonkey, #8502 also has a bunch of stuff in a bunch of other langs that doesn't appear to be related
04:19:15	countrymonkey	I'll completely redo the patch. Maybe it was a bad idea to put what lang it was in the file itself anyway.
04:26:05	countrymonkey	Now is it good?
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04:29:06	krazykit	well, it doesn't have all the extra junk in it.
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04:30:10	countrymonkey	Yes. I completely redid the patch. I mean from a clean svn.
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04:40:10	countrymonkey	Now, could it be committed?
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04:47:48	krazykit	countrymonkey, you'd have to ask someone who can commit.
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04:50:02	countrymonkey	You cannot?
04:51:29	krazykit	nope
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08:32:59	GodEater	<heavy_weather_gear status="on"> So - the next rockbox release. Has it been shelved again?
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08:36:57	LinusN	/msg chanserv ban GodEater time=forevergoddammit
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08:38:43	GodEater	hahaha
08:38:58	GodEater	so that'll be a "yes" then
08:40:00	LinusN	i guess it's rather "nobody seems to care enough to volunteer as a release manager"
08:40:44	GodEater	I could have sworn Llorean had been volunteered (whether he liked it or not)
08:44:10	LinusN	is that so? he must be delighted
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08:54:33	markun	let's ask Dongs if he wants to become our release manager
08:55:21	LinusN	like with the last release, we have serious buffering and playback issues... :-(
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08:56:20	LinusN	it's funny when you think of it, so much time has passed, and we still don't have the core functionality stable
08:56:27	markun	LinusN: I don't notice them much. What kind of issues are there?
08:56:46	LinusN	we have tons of reports about frantic disk activity and stuttering playback
08:57:06	LinusN	freezes with crossfade and song switching
08:57:38	LinusN	plenty of database issues as far as i can see
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09:08:19	amiconn	markun: What do you think we should do about fs 7833? My patch fixes the crash when using the asm on gigabeat (it was indeed the section .icode), but XavierGr tested it to be slightly slower than the C code (about 0.43%)
09:08:57	markun	then I prefer to use the C code
09:09:28	markun	let me check the patch first
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09:11:43	markun	amiconn: do you think there is any benefit in using the asm code?
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09:13:40	markun	Bagder: what's that?
09:13:44	amiconn	The only benefit would be that the gigabeat uses the same code as any other arm target
09:13:49	LinusN	Bagder: well said
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09:20:29	amiconn	markun: The part that patches the .S file should probably be committed anyway, in case some other arm target without iram appears, and a comment should be added in the .c file why the asm is disabled for gigabeat
09:20:41	markun	amiconn: yes, I agree
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09:25:51	LinusN	shouldn't .icode me mapped in regular ram on those targets?
09:26:14	LinusN	s/me/be/
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09:27:55	Nico_P	GodEater: hi, do you think you could try playing with the #defined watermark levels in buffering.c to see ig they affect playback glitches?
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09:33:19	GodEater	Nico_P: sure
09:33:59	Nico_P	cool, thanks :)
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09:34:46	Nico_P	I'm thinking of BUFFERING_DEFAULT_WATERMARK and BUFFERING_CRITICAL_LEVEL, but the first is of more interest
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09:36:40	GodEater	any values you want me to try ?
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09:39:03	Nico_P	try doubling the default watermark value
09:39:54	GodEater	didn't we already try this ?
09:40:37	Nico_P	IIRC what we changed was the default filechunk
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09:40:45	GodEater	I thought we'd done both
09:40:50	GodEater	oh well
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09:42:23	Nico_P	hmm actually as the watermark is configurable it might not stock to that value at all
09:42:31	Nico_P	s/stock/stick
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09:43:35	Nico_P	maybe it would be wise to comment the queue_post call in buf_set_watermark (line 1258), so that the watermark always remains the same
09:45:52	Nico_P	GodEater: yesterday amiconn said he believed the problem was due to a too small value of the watermark, not taking the spinup time increase into account
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10:35:46	GodEater	anyone know if a LOGF build would perhaps say why there's so much disk activity ?
10:37:51	GodEater	yeah - I think this change has made it worse Nico_P
10:37:57	GodEater	I'm getting no playback at all now
10:37:59	pondlife	That's probably the best bet
10:38:05	GodEater	oh no - I tell a lie
10:38:16	GodEater	it started after about 3 minutes of frantic disk activity
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10:38:38	GodEater	WPS isn't updating though
10:38:51	GodEater	disk is still spinning
10:39:06	GodEater	and playback is still dropping out
10:39:28	GodEater	this is now so bad as to make my ipod virtually unsuable as a rockbox target
10:39:48	GodEater	controls have stopped responding
10:40:43	*	GodEater has to hard reset
10:42:13	GodEater	ok - my start screen is set to "Resume playback" which happened more or less immediately after the reset. But controls were still doing nothing, WPS still not updating, and no response to USB cable being plugged in
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10:43:48	pondlife	Does the profiling build option allow any kind of thread monitoring?
10:44:03	pondlife	Just a tick count would be useful
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10:44:18	*	pondlife TOO
10:44:25	pondlife	Oops, sorry for shouting
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11:04:04	amiconn	GodEater: I never said the high disk activity problem comes from a too low watermark. The occasional skipping at start of rebuffering, however, probably does.
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11:05:16	amiconn	That said, I still didn't observe the high disk activity problem, and the occasional skipping just once or twice, weeks ago
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11:17:38	GodEater	amiconn: I've not enough insight into the problem one way or the other. I'm assuming that the high disk activity isn't helping the playback issue (assuming it's not caused by the buffering thread itself) so your watermark theory could be the problem with playback - or could just be that the disk activity is so bad - the buffering thread can't fill the pcmbuf fast enough
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11:20:30	pondlife	GodEater: Sounds like it would be best to investigate the disk activity first.
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11:21:27	GodEater	making a logf build right now
11:22:44	pondlife	You may want to put some logf stuff into firmware/common/file.c
11:23:02	pondlife	Any lower-level and it might be hard to interpret
11:23:03	GodEater	I'm just going to see what happens with the defaults first
11:23:07	pondlife	OK
11:23:17	GodEater	ipod is on, no playback yet
11:23:23	GodEater	disk is spinning madly
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11:23:38	GodEater	playback starts
11:23:44	GodEater	no WPS updates yet
11:23:49	pondlife	Cool, you should be able to go and dump your logf already
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11:24:01	pondlife	I mean, you've seen the bad behaviour
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11:24:56	GodEater	still can't stop playback
11:25:57	GodEater	hard reset is the only way now
11:26:12	pondlife	In which case you lose your logf
11:26:23	GodEater	crap
11:26:42	GodEater	the disk didn't stop spinning the entire time
11:27:00	pondlife	Do you have database auto-update enabled?
11:27:10	*	pondlife hopes not
11:27:56	GodEater	it appears I do
11:27:56	pondlife	Also try disabling dircache, if you have that enabled
11:27:58	GodEater	I'll turn it off
11:28:15	pondlife	Dircache and database startup scans are good for disk activity
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11:30:14	GodEater	when I hit logfdump, do I get a success message or anything ?
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11:30:52	*	GodEater hasn't used a logf build before
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11:35:45	pondlife	Not sure
11:35:51	amiconn	I have dircache enabled on most of my swcodec targets, but no database auto-updates or database in ram
11:36:05	pondlife	I've only really used it on the sim, when it can dump to stdout
11:36:11	*	amiconn somehow suspects the changed database auto-update to be the culprit
11:36:21	*	pondlife agrees
11:36:42	pondlife	GodEater: I take it you are now able to stop playback then?
11:37:19	pondlife	Something is wrong if the UI is completely locked due to heavy disk i/o anyway, no?
11:38:16	GodEater	hmm
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11:38:27	GodEater	logf and logfdump do zip as far as I can tell
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11:38:40	pondlife	logfdump should make a file in the root
11:38:40	GodEater	playback is now stoppable though yes
11:39:00	GodEater	nope - there's nothing there
11:39:03	pondlife	So there's still disk activity, just less insane?
11:39:12	pondlife	Might be in .rockbox, can't remember..
11:39:23	GodEater	yes, somewhat less insane ;)
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11:40:09	pondlife	I've long found database update slowed down the UI too much to be usable, before or after the last set of updates...
11:40:20	pondlife	I mean, auto-update
11:40:35	GodEater	yes - thats certainly the case here
11:40:42	pondlife	The occasional triggered update is ok, as long a I don't plan to do much else.
11:41:02	pondlife	This is on an H300, so not with particularly slow disk i/o.
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11:41:44	GodEater	still getting lots of disk activity at the moment, and still drop outs, even with tagcache autoupdate set to off
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11:42:10	GodEater	dircache is still updating though
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11:43:23	GodEater	still no logfdump output though
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11:46:23	pondlife	IMHO priority should be given to (a) UI input (b) audio playback (c) dircache scan - shouldn't the kernel now handle that, or are all threads running at realtime priority?
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11:47:20	pondlife	There's a pretty good argument for swapping (a) and (b), of course.
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12:25:17	Nico_P	GodEater: the logfdump should be in .rockbox/logf.txt
12:26:13	GodEater	Nico_P: no such file
12:26:17	Nico_P	hmm
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12:53:04	pondlife	Is it logf, or DEBUGF that needs enabling in each source file?
12:53:25	Nico_P	logf
12:53:40	GodEater	probably explains the issue then :)
12:53:45	pondlife	Indeedy
12:53:55	Nico_P	in the sim, if you enable logf, logf calls get printed to stdout like DEBUGF calls
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12:54:28	GodEater	files to enable it in then gentlemen ?
12:54:39	GodEater	buffering.c I would imagine
12:54:43	GodEater	but anywhere else ?
12:55:05	Nico_P	file.c maybe
12:55:16	Nico_P	but there might not be any logf calls in there
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12:55:47	locu64	is rockbox on 2g nano yet lolz
12:55:51	GodEater	locu64: no
12:55:59	locu64	f#$@
12:56:25	Nico_P	GodEater: probably, yes
12:56:52	locu64	i think i will have to buy a 1g nano just to play mods and sids..
12:57:05	GodEater	gonna get some lunch, then will be back to continue debugging
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12:57:08	GodEater	15 mins or so
12:58:00	Nico_P	GodEater: thanks a lot for helping out with this
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13:17:12	TiMiD[FD]	pixelma, Llorean : around ?
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13:18:08	Casainho_	Bagder: here is the schematic for the secondary board: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPlayerV1
13:18:31	Casainho_	Bagder: are missing the buttons, I will do that later
13:24:20	Bagder	no need to tell me, I check it out when I see changes
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13:30:31	Casainho_	Bagder: okok :-) - thanks for listen me :-) :-)
13:31:04	Bagder	it'll be fun to see you finally getting started on that thing...
13:32:11	Casainho_	I already started... I got the LCD
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13:32:19	Bagder	ah
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13:33:16	Casainho_	but the important is the main board, and I will just buy next month - I am starting to looking at software, understand the minimal drivers that I must write to see a "hello world" on the LCD :-)
13:33:16	Zagor	new fancy feature in the irc web reader: click a nick to highlight all lines from a person
13:33:41	LinusN	coooooool
13:34:02	Casainho_	I can I delete files on TWiki pages?
13:34:30	Bagder	oh fancy!
13:34:34	LinusN	Zagor: ...if it only worked...
13:34:41	Bagder	it works for me
13:34:47	Zagor	LinusN: it only works for "normal" nicks. no [\| etc
13:34:55	Bagder	aha
13:35:07	LinusN	it doesn't work for any nick in my browser
13:35:15	Zagor	! which browser is that?
13:35:50	LinusN	Firefox 2.0.0.11 in windows
13:35:52	Bagder	the differences between firefox on windows and firefox on linux never ceases to surprise me
13:36:06	Zagor	wow
13:36:13	Bagder	I have 2.0.0.11 on linux
13:36:14	LinusN	ehum, maybe i'm wrong
13:36:25	LinusN	i was too impatient
13:36:37	Bagder	so it's slow?
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13:36:45	LinusN	it took a few seconds before the highlight showed
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13:37:06	Zagor	hmm, are you on a very slow machine?
13:37:14	LinusN	not very slow
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13:37:34	Bagder	Casainho_: no you can't
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13:38:09	Zagor	and it takes several seconds??
13:38:11	LinusN	takes 2-3 secs
13:38:16	Zagor	yikes
13:38:23	Casainho_	Bagder: so, can I upload files and after some time, ask to some moderator to delete?
13:38:24	Bagder	for me it's a fraction of a second
13:38:27	LinusN	closer to 2
13:38:39	Bagder	Casainho_: yes
13:38:51	Casainho_	Bagder: :-)
13:40:30	pixelma	the highlighting is almost immediately here, I'm also on windows, firefox 2.0.0.11
13:41:05	Bagder	maybe it takes LinusN two seconds to click on the nick? B-]
13:43:43	Nico_P	it doesn't seem to work here
13:43:52	Nico_P	firefox 2.0.0.11, linux
13:44:26	Bagder	haha
13:44:38	Bagder	javascript in a nutshell
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13:44:54	linuxstb	Seems to work instantly here (Linux, FF 2.0.0.10)
13:44:58	Zagor	Nico_P: try clearing your cache
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13:46:13	Nico_P	Zagor: ah, works now :)
13:46:44	Bagder	Casainho_: so did you decide to boot from the serial flash?
13:47:34	Nico_P	very nice feature
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13:47:54	Casainho_	Bagder: I don't know :-)
13:47:54	Bagder	well, what alternatives do you have?
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13:48:19	Casainho_	I am trying to understand :-) - I know know that bootloader is the code that msut be in boot flash memory and after mount FAT file system where the rest of RB code is...
13:48:54	Bagder	right, it should basically init some hw and load rockbox from FAT and start it
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13:49:13	Bagder	typically it needs to setup the SDRAM at least
13:49:24	Casainho_	I have a Sansa.. and sinse I understand, It boot from the same flash IC as where it have the FAT file system...
13:49:33	Bagder	nope
13:49:52	Bagder	The sansas boot from a flash that isn't the nand
13:50:01	Bagder	then it loads the secondary bootloader from the nand
13:50:05	Bagder	which then loads the firmware
13:50:56	Bagder	and in this case "sansas" mean both c200 and e200
13:51:17	pondlife	Zagor: Hmm, on IE7/Windows, the first highlight works. Any subsequent attempt gives an error
13:51:37	Casainho_	so, RB bootloader in Sansa V1 E200 is in the nand?
13:51:41	Zagor	pondlife: yeah I saw that. but how do I get to see the error?
13:51:49	pondlife	Line: 134, Char: 9, Error: Invalid property value.
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13:52:00	Bagder	Casainho_: yes, the rb bootloader on sansas replaces the main firmware so it is on the nand
13:52:32	pondlife	Zagor: All I can do is click down where it says "Error on page." ;)
13:53:06	Zagor	pondlife: that didn't work on my browser...
13:53:29	Zagor	try again now (make sure reader.js is refreshed)
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13:54:05	pondlife	Yep, that's fixed
13:54:12	Zagor	good. thanks.
13:54:38	pondlife	A bit slow here too, about 5 seconds..
13:54:52	Zagor	yeah it's astonishingly slow in ie7
13:55:28	*	pondlife fires up the fox
13:56:04	Casainho_	Bagder: the main firmware? - or the second boot loader? - the first bootloader counts as firmware also, no?
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13:56:48	Bagder	Casainho_: the original sansa does this: #1 BL, # 2nd BL, #3 firmware
13:57:07	Bagder	Casainho_: rockbox on sansa does this #1 BK, #2 BL, #3 rockbox BL, #4 rockbox
13:57:13	Bagder	s/BK/BL
13:57:32	Casainho_	Bagder: BK?? what that means?
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13:57:43	Bagder	s/BK/BL means BK should be replaced with BL
13:58:43	Casainho_	well, I dopn't get it :-) - #1 BL is in what memory? - can we erase it?
13:58:56	Bagder	#1 is in a boot rom/flash that isn't the nand
13:59:21	Bagder	but all this isn't strictly related to your problem
13:59:30	Bagder	you build a player from start, with no embedded nand
13:59:53	Bagder	the sansas have embeded nand and we had to adjust rockbox to their boot process
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14:00:38	Bagder	again, can you see _any_ alternative to booting from the serial flash?
14:01:04	Casainho_	no Bagder, I don't know how to boot, I was trying to understand/learn with ohter systems...
14:01:19	Bagder	booting means reading the code from somewhere to be able to execute it
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14:01:53	Bagder	afaiu, the serial nor flash is the only place that exists within the (planned) player
14:02:07	petur	bootflashes are often NOR flash chips, maybe we can use the term bootflash or NOR flash to distinguish from the NAND one
14:02:29	Bagder	petur: yes, but this MCU can in fact boot from nand as well
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14:02:36	petur	aha
14:02:37	Casainho_	okok, but I was expecting to use the same flash IC, in this case the 512MB NAND Flash
14:02:55	Bagder	Casainho_: so you are going to have an embedded nand flash?
14:03:18	Casainho_	well, this dev board have that 512MB NAND Flash
14:03:27	Bagder	yes, but I speak about the player
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14:03:39	Casainho_	I don't know :-)
14:03:46	Bagder	for the dev board you don't have to flash at all
14:03:50	Bagder	you can just load over ethernet
14:04:15	Bagder	or whatever
14:04:17	Casainho_	I was think in a system with 8 MB flash memory just for RB... and use a SD falsh card for files...
14:04:58	Bagder	that could work indeed
14:05:14	Bagder	with a tiny part of that set read-only after you put the BL there
14:05:21	Bagder	and the rest used as FAT fs
14:06:07	*	Bagder fades away for now
14:07:29	Casainho_	Bagder: as you can see, I am realy new to this systems :-) - I would apreciate guidelines for this :-) - please leave ideias at forum, for tehm be registerd and others can read and comment, help...
14:08:12	GodEater	Casainho_: anything said in this channel is "registered" for people to read and comment on
14:09:16	Casainho_	GodEater: yes, but I assume that people will not search for what they don't know that exist... in forum, chats are catalogued
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14:09:51	Casainho_	GodEater: and chats are mix with others chats, is a confusion
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14:10:05	Casainho_	:-)
14:10:29	GodEater	you can provide links in the forum to the relevant parts of the day when conversation is had about your project though...
14:10:39	GodEater	which means Bagder doesn't have to do extra work :)
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14:16:37	TiMiD[FD]	Casainho_: just read about your project on the wiki, I just want to tell you good luck !
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14:18:03	Casainho_	GodEater: well, organized information gives work :-) - TWiki pages and forum are important! and yes, specially TWiki pages gives work but are much better than links to IRC chats :-)
14:18:23	GodEater	cut and paste then ? :)
14:18:25	Casainho_	TiMiD[FD]: thank you :-)
14:18:44	Casainho_	GodEater: I am being doing that copy-paste :-)
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14:23:15	Davide-NYC	A while back on one of the mailing lists there was mention of a 50-PIN to ZIF adapter for 1.8" drives. Is there any word on that?
14:23:45	GodEater	Davide-NYC: I believe LinusN is due to take delivery of one shortly
14:24:00	Davide-NYC	Any idea on price?
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14:24:12	petur	see the first post
14:24:39	petur	http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2008-01/0004.shtml
14:25:02	Davide-NYC	27 Euros... Ouch.
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14:25:30	petur	LinusN did mention that he fears the adapter will not fit in the h120
14:25:48	petur	no more info :(
14:26:20	Davide-NYC	Urghh. Well, if LinusN is wrong and it does in fact fit I'd probably purchase 4.
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14:28:28	GodEater	I can't believe it will fit either (although I've only seen the interior of the H140)
14:28:32	GodEater	it's tight in there
14:28:41	Davide-NYC	Is there a pic of said adapter?
14:28:51	GodEater	not that I've seen
14:29:17	Davide-NYC	well, I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Thanks for the info.
14:29:22	Davide-NYC	later.
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14:36:29	linuxstb	I thought LinusN also had a 5G ipod...
14:36:54	linuxstb	Forget me, I got that reversed...
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15:00:49	waldo_	i have a sansa c240 and a 1gb micrsd card ... as long as there is nothing on the sd card, the original firmware boots when i connect the usb cable, and on my pc it show 2 'drives' .. after i put files on it, the firmware doesn't connect to the pc when plug in the usb cable ...when i remove the sd card all is well again, ... but i have to use a card reader then to change the content of the microsd card :S
15:01:59	krazykit	have you tried removing the card, booting into the OF, then inserting the card?
15:02:23	thgz	Waldo_: Try to put the sd card to sansa when the original firmware has booted up and connected to the computer
15:02:24	waldo_	krazykit: while it's on ?
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15:03:38	waldo_	hmmm that seems to work indeed , tnx ...
15:04:37	waldo_	so i have to reinsert the card everytime i want to change the content ... that's quite fucked up for OF, i would accept that from oss software ....
15:06:50	linuxstb	Why would OSS do that? We fix our bugs...
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15:07:10	waldo_	... after a while :P
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15:07:56	waldo_	damn, now the OF crashes ... "refresh database"
15:08:13	linuxstb	You obviously haven't seen as many "professional" firmwares as we have...
15:08:50	preglow	:D
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15:09:37	*	preglow notices we still have that limits bug
15:10:00	smorar	hi, can someone grant me Wiki write permisson? my wikiname is SameerMorar
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15:10:10	LambdaCalculus37	smorar: Sure. Hang on a sec.
15:10:12	waldo_	does that include the acceptance of this CRASH on the "refresh database" screen ? ... it keeps doing that
15:10:38	waldo_	i have to press the power button for 10 secs
15:11:25	LambdaCalculus37	smorar: All set.
15:11:29	smorar	LambdaCalculus37: thanks :)
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15:24:06	linuxstb	waldo_: Maybe I exaggerated slightly when I said we fix our bugs. There may be one or two left in our bug tracker...
15:26:03	waldo_	well ... somehow rockbox doesn't initialise its database ... it says everytime it isn't ready and wether i want to init it now ...
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15:26:44	waldo_	... quite like the original firmware :S ...
15:26:45	GodEater	who is Mr. tagcache these days then ? :)
15:27:06	waldo_	gonna boot to windows to update the OF ... just saw that it's quite an old one
15:27:10	linuxstb	waldo_: That would point to some strangeness with your files. If we could isolate that strangeness, we could fix Rockbox.
15:27:26	linuxstb	i.e. if neither the OF or Rockbox like them...
15:27:40	waldo_	can i see on wich file it hangs ?
15:27:49	linuxstb	Or it could be a corrupt filesystem - have you checked it for errors/
15:27:50	linuxstb	?
15:28:01	waldo_	how do i do that ?
15:28:22	linuxstb	From WIndows, "chkdsk /f x:" (where x: is the drive letter given to your Sansa)
15:28:42	waldo_	im a linux user :S
15:28:48	Nico_P	GodEater: mr tagcache is still slasheri
15:28:55	linuxstb	Then fsck.vfat /dev/sdX1
15:29:08	waldo_	unmounted i guess ?
15:29:17	linuxstb	Yep.
15:29:39	linuxstb	But you may want to check the manpage for it as well.
15:32:37	waldo_	linuxstb: fsck.vfat /dev/sdi1 gives "Invalid disk format in boot sector."
15:33:45	linuxstb	Not a good start... /dev/sdi1 is the device Linux mounts to give you access to your files?
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15:34:41	waldo_	linuxstb: yes
15:35:08	waldo_	linuxstb: not the microsd though
15:38:15	linuxstb	If it was me, I would just reformat it and then unzip rockbox.zip again and retransfer some music.
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15:38:55	waldo_	reformat ... in the OF ?
15:39:48	waldo_	linuxstb: or from a pc ... cause then i delete the OF .. i guess
15:40:11	GodEater	Nico_P: so he's "cacheri" in more ways than one then ;)
15:40:36	linuxstb	waldo_: From a PC. The OF is stored in the second partition, so should be safe. Although I don't own a Sansa, so am not sure what (if any) files from the FAT32 partition the OF needs.
15:42:18	waldo_	hmmm, on the partition i will format there is a SYSTEM directory ... can i find somewhere wether i may format it ?
15:43:52	Nico_P	hehe :)
15:44:02	Nico_P	GodEater: any luck with logf?
15:44:18	linuxstb	waldo_: I've exhausted my Sansa knowledge - you'll need to wait and hope someone else can help you...
15:46:08	waldo_	linuxstb: i've always depended on the kindness of strangers :)
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15:56:18	pixelma	waldo_: I can only share user experience (not sure enough about the partitions to dare giving you an advice) but - when I plug my c250 from an "off state" to USB with inserted microSD, the OF starts but doesn't register the data connection. I also have to take the microSD out and wait for the connection to be established then I can insert it again.
15:57:29	waldo_	pixelma: any experience with formating the damn thing ?
15:57:52	pixelma	and are you sure your Sansa crashes in the "Refresh database" screen, because on mine it just stays ages with the "full" progressbar but will finish
15:58:08	pixelma	waldo_: nope, didn't need to do it yet
15:58:51	GodEater	Nico_P: sorry - really busy at work today - haven't had a chance
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16:01:33	pixelma	waldo_: addition to my statement about the refresh database progressbar - if you leave the microSD plugged the OF will start a second run (searching the card I assumme) that's why I always take it out again before disconnecting
16:04:48	waldo_	pixelma: what version of the OF are you running ?
16:05:06	pixelma	about the two partitions I just know that the smaller one is the "system" partition which is 16MB IIRC
16:06:28	pixelma	waldo_: a very old one... 1.00.04F
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16:10:12	linuxstb	pixelma: Have you ever deleted the "system" folder on your c250?
16:10:15	waldo_	pixelma: min is a 1.00.3E ... so i'd like to update it .. but seen as how it seems my partion's filesystem maight be a bit 'quirky' ... i'd like to fix that first before updating the OF
16:11:23	pixelma	linuxstb: no
16:13:52	waldo_	just saw http://mp3support.sandisk.com/mp3/updatefirmware.wmv and the guy says that the updater writes a file to the player and then when you disconnect it the player updates itself .. so if my partition is no longer ok .. it could go haywire since it doesn't write to the hidden partition directly
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16:36:10	magpie	e280...when i select one of the original sansa photos nothing happens...doesnt' display
16:36:21	magpie	wonder what happened there
16:36:51	linuxstb	Rockbox can only view .jpg files. What format are those photos?
16:36:55	waldo_	formatting it from the OF and reinstalling rockbox fixed the DB problem ... fsck.vfat still give same arror though
16:37:00	magpie	ok!
16:37:01	magpie	ty
16:37:15	waldo_	but i can live with this situation :)
16:37:19	pixelma	waldo_: as I said, I can't and don't want to give you advice about reformating but when you figured it out and are set for an OF upgrade - in versions 1.01.05/06 Sandisk removed the MSC mode (USB) setting, I've heard that this is no problem under linux but I'd avoid it
16:37:24	magpie	and they should be resized to the size of the screen, right?
16:37:55	linuxstb	magpie: Rockbox will do approximate resizing of jpegs, but only by a factor of 2 (1/2, 1/4, 1/8)
16:37:58	magpie	i had a couple of v2s
16:38:06	magpie	ok
16:38:23	magpie	is there a way to get rockbox on the v2?
16:38:42	pixelma	linuxstb, magpie: if I remember correctly the e200 OF stores its photos as bmp and also slightly larger than the display size
16:38:51	magpie	i guess i should ask: is there a way to rollback the firmware on v2 so i can put rockbox on?
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16:39:14	linuxstb	magpie: It's not a firmware issue, the hardware is completely different in the v2.
16:39:24	*	pixelma is too slow
16:39:26	magpie	ah, the chip, right?
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16:41:41	waldo_	pixelma: removed MSC ?? but the sansa updater itself needs the player to be put in MSC ... that makes it the final firmware update u guess ;)
16:44:53	pixelma	waldo_: no, they removed the setting. It is possible to roll the firmware back you can still get into it by a sequence of holding buttons, switch hold and so on - it is described here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port#No_MSC_Mode_Firmware_Downgrade_R
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16:45:37	preglow	jhMikeS: cool, i think i had a hang because of that yesterday :)
16:46:19	waldo_	can't wait for a working USB stack then, and get rid of the OF once and for all
16:46:27	pixelma	Sandisk seems to be fond of this method to get the player in specific "mode" (recovery mode, manufacturer mode and whatnot)
16:46:43	pixelma	*modes
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16:47:03	thgz	When I play an mp3 file and stop it either pressing stop or shut-downing the device, and when continuing playback, Rockbox switches automatically to next track...
16:47:05	*	preglow loves the spc codec
16:47:34	LambdaCalculus37	waldo_: Bet you anything that there will be cheers galore across the forums and IRC when the USB stack is working.
16:47:38	thgz	It don't remember the position...
16:48:06	LambdaCalculus37	thgz: What device?
16:50:31	*	PaulPosition loves Buschel (not in a gay way). 6:49 runtime vs. 7:15 in the OF, that PortalPlayer support is slowly getting there :D
16:51:08	linuxstb	PaulPosition: Which device is that on?
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16:52:10	PaulPosition	Linuxstb - H10 5gb and oooold battery. :p
16:52:41	PaulPosition	(OF benched through recording output and looking at wave's lenght)
16:53:17	PaulPosition	(IIRC, it was you who suggested this, long time ago... :p )
16:55:07	LambdaCalculus37	PaulPosition: Imagine what the runtime might be with a fresh battery... :)
16:58:46	PaulPosition	Lambda - True, might get close to the advertised 12hrs. Gotta have a look at ebay. :p
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17:00:12	LambdaCalculus37	PaulPosition: Batteries for the H10 pop up there quite often, and usually for $10 USD or so.
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17:14:17	thgz	LamblacAlculus37: Sansa E250
17:15:41	LambdaCalculus37	Don't own that device.
17:15:59	LambdaCalculus37	Insert "I" into the above
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17:16:51	rasher	Does anyone remember the sequencer someone wrote for the h100? What happened to it?
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17:23:23	rasher	http://www.geocities.com/henriksens2710/stepseq.htm <−− there it is
17:24:32	LambdaCalculus37	Wonder if it'll still compile...
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17:25:37	rasher	I have an old build with it included. Dated 2005-09-29, for h100
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17:42:29	PaulPosition	If (big IF) I wanted to try and build myself (and why not others) an ear-training plugin/game (notes, intervals, scales/chords) what would you guys think I should try to highjack/salvage from for sound? midi-plugin? (I guess it'd be simpler to go the 'metronome' way and limit myself to one octave using a dozen mp3s..?)
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17:55:43	waldo_	someone said that the sansa c200 v2 is too slow for rockbox .. does that mean that there will never be a build for it ? 'cause a friend of mine is waiting to buy a v2 untill there is a rockbox build available for it ... guess he could wait a long time then ...
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17:56:56	LambdaCalculus37	waldo_: Whoever said that is speaking rubbish. The c200 v2 is also internally different, just like the e200 v2 is different internally from the v1.
17:58:41	PaulPosition	(which means he could wait longer still :p )
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18:00:00	n1s	But it has nothing to do with speed
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18:03:20	linuxstb	Domonoky: Which ipod is that?
18:03:42	Domonoky	4th gen, greyscale
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18:07:11	ipoduser	hi all, please help. I cannot connect my ipodnano 1G after applying mbr-nano4gb.bin with dd command!
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18:11:11	n1s	I have a fix for FS #8461 does it make sense to save the "Toggle Slideshow" setting too?
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18:14:25	ipoduser	I followed the guide at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 because I run linux but at the step d) it does not connect again to my pc
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18:15:41	ipoduser	I used the linux dd command, was that not right?
18:16:19	krazykit	did you change the /dev stuff appropriately?
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18:16:35	krazykit	so /dev/sdX versus /dev/diskX
18:17:05	ipoduser	i used /dev/sdb as I found it in qtparted
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18:20:01	krazykit	ipoduser, i'm really not familiar with troubleshooting this particular process. when you plug it in again, you should at least see something in dmesg
18:20:43	ipoduser	do i just run dmesg from konsole?
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18:22:45	krazykit	ipoduser, yep. you should also see nodes in /dev created
18:22:54	ipoduser	[ 194.728000] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2[ 194.848000] usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71[ 195.072000] usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
18:23:12	ipoduser	and later:
18:23:16	ipoduser	[ 716.316000] usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 9[ 716.724000] usb 2-1: device not accepting address 9, error -71
18:26:41	linuxstb	ipoduser: Is your ipod in disk mode?
18:27:04	ipoduser	no
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18:27:23	linuxstb	ipoduser: Then your computer won't see it...
18:27:38	ipoduser	linuxstb, it asks me to select my language always I connect it now
18:28:12	linuxstb	Reboot (hold menu+select for a few seconds), then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY.
18:28:30	linuxstb	Your ipod should go into the black-and-white disk mode screen.
18:28:52	ipoduser	i'm in disk mode, wow!
18:30:16	ipoduser	it should be /dev/sdb now i think from what i see in dmesg
18:31:16	ipoduser	qt parted says there are two partitions
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18:31:43	krazykit	ipoduser, that sounds correct. you should be able to continue with the instructions
18:31:50	ipoduser	can i format the larger second one?
18:32:35	ipoduser	linuxstb, krazykit, thank you folks!
18:33:31	krazykit	ipoduser, the instructions should fill you in for the rest of the process :)
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20:11:24	Weejay	Hi guys! Just wanted to report back that rockbox works very well on my Sana e260. It is ridiculous how easy everything was....and I did it the manual route :-D
20:11:57	Weejay	I am able play flack and ogg :-D
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20:13:12	Weejay	the only issue I noticed is that after I uploaded my ogg and flac files, suddenly I do not see the MUSIC folder. I just see the root folder, and selecting it just takes me to the songs.
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20:15:07	LambdaCalculus37	Weejay: The Sansa hides the MUSIC folder. You can either unhide it, or make a new folder to put your music in.
20:15:23	Weejay	How can I unhide it. That is so silly :-P
20:15:25	PaulPosition	If you reboot into sansa firmware it will re-hide the folder every time.
20:15:57	PaulPosition	You can use the quickmenu (probably long press of left/cancel or some such) and set the file-view to ALL instead of 'supported'
20:16:02	PaulPosition	(in rockbox, that is)
20:16:12	PaulPosition	I'm not sure which key it is for sansa's
20:16:51	Weejay	found it...nice!
20:18:11	Weejay	also I was wondering, does rockbox use linux kernel??? I am not sure what is involved in the firmware
20:18:45	LambdaCalculus37	No, Rockbox is its own kernel.
20:18:54	Domonoky	Weejay: no rockbox is written from scratch, no linux in it..
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20:19:13	Weejay	Cool. Micro-kernel or monolithic?
20:19:50	Weejay	man you guy have done a awesome job! I most impressed by the fact that you have one image for all supported devices.
20:19:54	Weejay	a/an
20:20:10	petur	wrong
20:20:28	Weejay	petur: ??
20:20:34	Domonoky	there is one source for all device, but seperate builds..
20:20:39	petur	there's no image for all players
20:20:47	*	petur slow
20:20:56	rasher	Unless you mean the actual pictures..
20:20:57	Weejay	ah. gocha.
20:21:13	petur	pictures?
20:21:14	Weejay	rasher: no i was incorrect.
20:21:26	rasher	petur: we have a picture for all supported devices
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20:24:51	Domonoky	Weejay: the rockbox kernel is very small, it doesnt have many features, and i think its monolithic..
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20:25:49	Domonoky	Weejay: take a look at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxKernel
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20:28:01	toens	my ipod video stalls on "Rockbox loaded." −− how can i emergency boot it to start the installation again?>
20:28:15	toens	(i cant load original firmware either)
20:28:36	Domonoky	toens: reboot and go into diskmode.. (button combos for this is in the manual i think)
20:28:39	Horscht	when the light of the apple boot logo turns on, turn the hold switch to on
20:28:49	Horscht	oh, wait..
20:28:53	Horscht	emergency boot.
20:28:57	Horscht	nevermin
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20:31:31	toens	thanks
20:31:37	toens	petur, that page is helpful
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20:45:03	toens	"The reset procedure is hard-wired to the iPod, thus it will work always. You might need to hold down the described buttons for quite a while (up to 30 seconds or similar)." - i've done this three times for a minute each time. still not resetting :/
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20:46:21	scorche\|w	then either you have something very broken, your battery is dead, or you are doing it wrong
20:46:41	scorche\|w	flip the hold switch on, then off, then hold menu + select for a bit
20:46:49	scorche\|w	try not to move your fingers
20:47:05	toens	that's exactly what i did.
20:47:29	toens	i deleted the "Notes" and "Calendar" folder from my ipod's root directory
20:47:44	toens	could that be causing all this?>
20:47:59	LambdaCalculus37	No, I don't think so.
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21:23:29	toens	guess i should charge the battery to full
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21:48:15	toens	noob question: in diskmode (on the ipod), can i format the drive with windows and then install rockbox? will the original firmware still be there?
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22:00:06	SmilinBob	so, i installed rockbox on my 5g ipod
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22:00:44	SmilinBob	now when i plug it into my comp it detects it as a "Rock Box Media player" but i can't install drivers for it
22:00:57	SmilinBob	any suggestions?
22:01:34	Nico_P	SmilinBob: the USB stack isn't yet functional enough to allow file transfer
22:01:40	BigBambi	Use the original firmware to transfer the files
22:01:43	Nico_P	all you can do for now is charge the player
22:02:01	Nico_P	"New USB stack with limited capability. Currently it only requests full charging power. Ignore driver popups from Windows." (from the front page)
22:02:21	SmilinBob	oh, must have missed that
22:02:43	SmilinBob	so i have to boot into the apple firmware to transfer songs?
22:03:02	BigBambi	Yes
22:03:05	BigBambi	Or disk mode
22:05:58	SmilinBob	thanks
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22:16:14	toens	how am i supposed to reset my ipod when the key combo to reset it is the same as the key combo that boots rockbox?
22:16:49	Domonoky	toens: its not the same, the timing differs.. and the combo loads the OF not rockbox..
22:17:23	toens	Domonoky, no OF is just the menu button.
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22:17:40	toens	i've tried many different timings
22:17:50	toens	(and i've toggled the hold button)
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22:18:30	Domonoky	you mean select + men� ? the reset combo ?
22:18:42	toens	yeah
22:18:49	toens	i just wanna reset this thing
22:18:51	stripwax	toens: rockbox doesn't have a "key combo" to boot it, unless you are using an unofficial bootloader
22:18:51	toens	and start over
22:19:05	stripwax	the key combination is just hold down select + menu (while the hold switch is 'off')
22:19:15	Domonoky	select+ menu for ~ 15 seconds should always work..
22:19:25	stripwax	toens - as in, hold them both for that time
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22:20:31	toens	i hold them both. properly. for around 15 seconds. then it just loads rockbox
22:20:43	toens	this rockbox bootloader is from like a year ago
22:22:29	toens	maybe i'm resetting it without knowing heh
22:22:33	Domonoky	toens: after holding the combo, it should reboot, if this is rockbox, its another issue..
22:22:43	toens	what happens after a successful reset?
22:23:01	Domonoky	the screen goes out shortly, then it boots again..
22:23:03	toens	shouldnt it restore to factory settings etc>
22:23:15	Domonoky	no.. it only reboots.
22:23:32	Domonoky	its like the reset button on you PC..
22:23:55	BigBambi	toens: This is a hardware combo - if it doesn't work either you have a hardware problem or you aren't doing it right
22:24:02	BigBambi	Rockbox does not affect it
22:24:04	toens	awesome. ive just reset it 100 times
22:24:28	BigBambi	heh :)
22:24:52	BigBambi	toens: What are you trying to do the reset for?
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22:26:07	stripwax	toens - what are you trying to do? reboot? or reset the settings? or boot into the apple os? those are three different things. you are rebooting
22:26:28	toens	well i tried updating my rockbox version (havent updated in a while). but it would just stall on "Rockbox loaded."
22:26:43	toens	so naturally i just wanted to start fresh. ie. reset to factory settings and start over
22:26:45	stripwax	did you update the bootloader at the same time?
22:26:50	toens	no
22:26:55	stripwax	could you try doing that?
22:27:02	toens	i would have tried that :p
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22:27:20	stripwax	"would have"?
22:27:45	stripwax	do you not know how?
22:28:43	toens	it's in the manual
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22:29:20	stripwax	ok .. so I'm guessing that either you haven't tried yet, or you have but it didn't work. not sure what "i would have tried that" means, unfortunately
22:30:14	stripwax	It's possible that, if your previous rockbox version was quite old, you would need to update your bootloader too, for the new rockbox installation to work correctly.
22:30:26	toens	i want the feeling of installing a clean OS on a formatted drive
22:30:34	toens	but anyway, not serious
22:31:00	stripwax	toens - I mean, sure if you want to do that, probably easiest is to run the apple updater, which will zap rockbox and reinstall the apple os (as I understand it)
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22:31:21	stripwax	but try reinstalling the (latest) bootloader first. e.g. using RockboxUtility
22:32:03	toens	ok
22:32:06	toens	ta
22:32:18	toens	what is rockbox.ipod btw?
22:32:29	n1s	the main biary
22:32:32	n1s	+n
22:33:18	toens	alright.. youve all been super helpful
22:33:22	toens	i go fiddle now gone
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22:58:39	Buschel	D3REG seems to be the BCM, D1REG the WM, DCDC1 the CPU
22:58:48	Buschel	at least it might be
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23:04:44	preglow	anything you might gain by playing around with those?
23:05:06	Buschel	D1REG default = 3.0V, works with 2.7V, works with 1.8V, playback fails when switched off
23:06:24	stripwax	WM = ?
23:06:36	Buschel	the codec
23:06:53	stripwax	the dac?
23:07:05	petur	hmmm that palmtopia.de buildserver is actually slowing down building :/
23:07:23	Bagder	yeah, I'll trim that down to only do sh builds I think
23:07:45	Bagder	until the shiny day comes when the build script is improved
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23:07:55	Casainho	hello Rockbox people :-)
23:08:05	Buschel	DCDC2 can be switched off, DCDC1 (CPU?) can lowered to 1.1V. testing 1.0V now
23:08:57	Casainho	I would like to know if RB work with USB? and If it works with some kind of wireless? - I am asking this because of planing hte hardware for RB player...
23:09:17	krazykit	Casainho, haven
23:09:18	Llorean	Casainho: Rockbox has no USB stack or no wireless.
23:09:23	stripwax	Buschel - when you say default, that's the level currently set by rockbox? the dac can be lowered from 3.0v to 1.8v? zowie
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23:09:35	petur	also, I don't understand why the ipod 3rd gen is two versions behind. One I can understand as it may be the last one building... but two?
23:09:35	Llorean	Rockbox works with USB under certain circumstances.
23:09:50	Casainho	Llorean: can you please explain that circunstances?
23:09:55	Buschel	stripwax: yes, it isn't set by rockbox. it seems to be default of the power controller
23:10:23	pixelma	petur: probably the rbutil commit thaz didn't trigger a build round?
23:10:28	pixelma	*that
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23:10:55	petur	but why only one target?
23:11:13	Llorean	Casainho: The players it works on have some form of hardware USB-ATA bridge. Ones where we need a software USB stack, it doesn't work with yet
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23:12:01	pixelma	petur: I thought that was the part you already understood?
23:12:02	Casainho	So, It's a good idea to make an hardware with USB, or not? and the same question about wireless like bluetooth...
23:12:05	Buschel	1.0V freezes, trying 1.05V
23:12:40	preglow	Buschel: i would expect the codec to distort more at higher volumes if you lower the voltage too much
23:12:49	rasher	Casainho: adding any sort of wireless connection would require adding a ton of support to Rockbox
23:12:53	preglow	try playing a sine wave at max volume with reduced voltage
23:13:11	Bagder	Casainho: but with usb hw like the ones we support you can't do usb host/otg
23:13:15	Buschel	preglow: i need to test this, as a first step i am interested in "works on not"
23:13:15	Casainho	Llorean: ok, I think I understand that about ATA... I think I saw in sfotware in RB ATA drivers, right? - reading from flash memories, SD card, is with a ATA driver, no? :-)
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23:13:26	pixelma	petur: I'm also only guessing here but your argument seemed logical :)
23:13:27	Bagder	no, SD is not ata
23:13:30	Buschel	*or
23:14:13	Casainho	okok, so, about connectivity, what a hardware player for Rockbox should have?
23:14:30	petur	pixelma: but the build before this one was done by a 'reliable' server, so I'm clueless about this one...
23:14:37	Bagder	Casainho: usb
23:15:20	pixelma	petur: yes and the last commit that triggered a rebuild was two revisions behind (because of the rbutil commit)
23:15:21	Casainho	Bagder: also SD card, no? - I assume SD card as a way to share files, connect...
23:15:39	stripwax	increasing volume => increasing voltage ..
23:16:02	Bagder	well, if you count a memory card as "connectivity" then yes
23:16:30	stripwax	if the only storage is SD, is it worth adding usb too?
23:17:19	Casainho	Bagder: what can you tell-me about the USB on the Atmel AT91SAM9260? - I would like to know If it have some kind of USB-ATA inside or not...
23:17:37	Bagder	it needs a usb stack
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23:20:29	Casainho	Bagder: okok :-) - at least, will the SD card work, on that board?
23:20:53	petur	Bagder: there's something strange with the ipod 3rd gen build: it is now two versions behind and all builds are done. Maybe the copy from palmtopia fails?
23:21:03	pixelma	hmm... there are a few more warnings in simulator builds all by the palmtopia.de server (in wma.c)
23:21:55	petur	somebody kicked the buildserver ;)
23:21:58	Bagder	palmtopia will now only build sh builds
23:22:42	Bagder	Casainho: sure, with a suitable driver it should
23:22:54	JdGordon\|w	Bagder: did you end up adding my computer?
23:23:09	Bagder	ah no... not yet
23:23:20	Bagder	is it fine?
23:23:48	JdGordon\|w	the quad core is...
23:23:49	Bagder	petur: "terminating due to too long operation"
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23:24:15	Bagder	kind of silly, since it was ====> <==== this close to finish
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23:24:27	petur	heh
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23:24:42	Casainho	Bagder: so, the driver in RB for Sansa SD card will not work? - what are the difference? - hardware?... I am lost... :-)
23:25:29	Bagder	Casainho: the (micro)sd thing in rockbox is for sansa, I don't know how suitable that is for your setup. should be mostly the same of course
23:26:48	Llorean	Casainho: Unless you have the exact same hardware, attached in the exact same way, you'll always have to do some, possibly a lot, of new code.
23:27:06	Casainho	Bagder: Okok, I really appreciate the help from everybody. I will now write this on forum, I think is good to understand that there is no need to dream for a super hardware with wireless :-)
23:27:34	Bagder	I think your "simple audio player" focus get blurry at times...
23:28:09	Casainho	Llorean: in this case, the hardware, is inside the MCU... I thought it was like SPI, I2C, like this protocols...
23:28:29	Bagder	spi and i2c are busses
23:28:35	Casainho	Bagder: can you please explain?
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23:28:39	Bagder	no
23:28:42	Bagder	read wikipedia
23:29:07	Bagder	I wouldn't know where to start...
23:29:32	pixelma	petur: it was one available (downloadable) version behind, just two revisions
23:29:50	Casainho	Bagder: I know what "blurry" means , however... I would like objective words
23:30:03	Bagder	ah that
23:30:03	Casainho	words, chat...
23:30:12	Bagder	I mean that wifi is hardly part of a simple audio player
23:30:22	Bagder	you used to skip stuff since you aim at a simple audio player
23:31:02	Casainho	yes, but, have logic to skip wireless since It will not work?
23:31:18	stripwax	"wireless = hard"
23:31:21	Bagder	no, you should skip wifi since it isn't part of a "simple audio player"
23:32:06	Bagder	if you want a big fancy and cool feature-packed thing, then add wifi
23:32:18	Bagder	but then you should also get a better LCD and whatnot
23:32:33	Casainho	but, add wifi for what, If It will not work?
23:32:34	Bagder	imho of course
23:32:41	Bagder	"will work"?
23:32:42	stripwax	imo sd interface (and no usb) would be simpler
23:32:52	Bagder	all your stuff will require coding
23:32:59	Bagder	some things more than others
23:33:03	preglow	haha
23:33:05	Llorean	I think USB is essential. It's a good method to charge, too.
23:33:06	stripwax	Casainho - add as many hardware features as you like :) but then how simple is it?
23:33:07	preglow	wifi will require tons of it
23:33:09	Bagder	if you're scared writing code, you should get out of this idea
23:33:10	stripwax	ah true
23:33:11	Llorean	I'd pick USB over an SD card.
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23:33:22	Llorean	You could always have a full size SD slot.
23:33:33	Llorean	Then, in the future, if people want WiFi, they could write drivers for one of those WiFi SD cards.
23:33:36	stripwax	"wireless = hard" ... still ...
23:33:41	Bagder	indeed
23:33:48	Bagder	wireless is quite a task
23:34:10	Bagder	not to mention the apps people will want in step #2...
23:34:16	Llorean	hehehe
23:34:17	rasher	Llorean: doesn't sdio require hardware support?
23:34:18	JdGordon\|w	add bluetooth!
23:34:40	Llorean	rasher: Yes, but if you're designing a hardware player, you could plan for that in the future, rather than trying to implement wifi from the start,right?
23:34:50	Llorean	Pick hardware where sdio is possible.
23:34:58	rasher	yes, sure
23:35:09	rasher	something to keep in mind if you want it extendable though
23:35:16	Llorean	Yeah
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23:36:27	Casainho	this possible option: AT91SAM9260 + LCD NOKIA 6610 + 8MB flash + 8/16MB SDRAM + nRF24L01 wireless chip + audio CODEC + Li-ion battery + charger + miniUSB + buttons, price in range of 100 €.
23:36:45	Llorean	Why do you want a wireless chip?
23:36:50	stripwax	why why why
23:37:00	stripwax	writing an ip stack is a full time job
23:37:11	Bagder	ip stack is not the problem actually
23:37:15	Bagder	lwip is there
23:37:15	Casainho	but with bluetooh, instead of that wireless ic... maybe, I don't know
23:37:15	Llorean	I'd prefer on-unit storage, and more RAM, than a wireless chip
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23:38:21	Casainho	we could pick an option like that, and chose a better LCD and a good wireless option
23:38:37	stripwax	"and"?
23:38:50	Llorean	Why do you seem so fixated on wireless?
23:38:57	*	BigBambi joins in with the why wireless (or bluetooth) cries
23:39:19	Bagder	the zune has it!
23:39:20	Bagder	;-)
23:39:28	BigBambi	Sort of :)
23:39:31	pixelma	mouse input! ;)
23:39:31	soap	bluetooth consumes little power and gives you wireless headphones. WiFi consumes much power and gives you little.
23:39:35	Llorean	I'd pick Bluetooth over WiFi personally.
23:39:44	Llorean	For almost exactly the reason soap just mentioned.
23:39:46	Casainho	okok, I just read some other people talking about that, and even that option were proposed buy the guy from Olimex :-)
23:39:49	BigBambi	soap, Llorean me too, but in this sort of player?
23:39:57	Llorean	Not in this sort of player
23:40:18	soap	well, admit it is not going to "compete" with any factory player on size, price, or capacity.
23:40:20	Llorean	I mean, you picked a small screen, tiny RAM... adding WiFi seems very contrary.
23:40:56	BigBambi	It seems completely out of keeping with the rest of the hardware
23:40:58	soap	internal interface for future modders is the only thing _I_ would spend money on.
23:41:04	Casainho	well, I am talking for next version, not the version using the dev. board...
23:41:12	stripwax	how many versions are you designing?
23:41:22	stripwax	(and when's the first version come out? :)
23:41:24	toens	what could be the reason for ipodpatcher failing to install the bootloader? it finds the ipod. then says "request could not be performed because of a device I/O error"
23:41:35	Bagder	I don't think of the dev board as a version at all...
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23:41:39	BigBambi	I would have better screen, more ram, on board storage, ... before wifi
23:41:46	stripwax	and that's on windows xp as Administrator
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23:41:53	soap	toens, I'm not sure of the exact error given - but do you have admin access to the machine you are using RBUtil on?
23:42:16	toens	i have admin access. not using rbutil, just executing ipodpatcher.exe
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23:43:04	Casainho	well, we are talking here about possibilities for future... nothing more. I want to have ideas for futures things, even to say to people what can we have in future If we start working now on that :-)
23:43:39	Llorean	I'd say, finish what you've got first.
23:43:42	Llorean	Don't confuse things
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23:44:25	scorche\|w	Casainho: try not to get ahead of yourself and focus on the first task
23:44:55	stripwax	Bagder - out of interest, why would an ip stack be so straightforward (when a usb stack seems so hard)?
23:45:00	stripwax	just prevalence?
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23:45:20	Bagder	stripwax: just that there already exist pretty neat tiny ip stacks
23:45:41	BigBambi	Bagder: In zune linux? :)
23:45:41	Bagder	so with fully documented hw and a dev board, I don't think that's the problem area
23:46:01	Bagder	zune linux has it all!
23:46:54	Casainho	scorche\|w: I am also focus on this task, I am working a bit all days :-) - but I must also plan the future... - okok, enough chat for today :-) - I will go and think on this thiings :-) - nbye bye - good nigh :-)
23:46:55	stripwax	heh - so (potentially) wifi might be easier than usb?
23:46:57	Bagder	I think the problems with the usb stack is that the behavior of the chip is surprising and we have no proper docs and no dev boards nor analyzing tools
23:47:26	Bagder	stripwax: well on such a board the usb parts will be much easier
23:47:34	scorche\|w	Casainho: after you get done with the first generation, you will likely have a completely different view on the 2nd generation
23:47:35	stripwax	ah - true. with docs..
23:47:45	Llorean	Yeah, from the sound of it, the USB stack was in a state where all the information we had said it should work, but it wasn't, right?
23:47:56	Bagder	atmel even has a freely availabe usb-storage stack for the at91 chips
23:48:08	Bagder	not open source, but still food for reading
23:48:31	Bagder	Llorean: yes, that's my understanding
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23:51:59	stripwax	toens - hey - is it formatted FAT32 ? :-D
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23:52:23	toens	yes :p
23:53:35	stripwax	hm, and still doesn't work?
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23:54:26	toens	getting itunes now cringe
23:55:04	stripwax	toens - out of interest, how was it formatted before? did you use the apple restore thing and it somehow formatted to something other than fat32?
23:55:46	stripwax	rockbox will only work with a fat32 formatted drive.
23:56:35	toens	i think the apple restore thing kinda requires you to use itunes after its done. to choose whether you'll be using mac or windows.
23:56:55	stripwax	mm, could be. choose "windows" :[
23:56:56	Casainho	Domonoky: hello! did you seen the changes that I made today? - tomorrow I will put the connections to the main board and to the pins of the MCU :-)
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23:56:59	stripwax	I mean :p
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23:57:46	toens	ya
23:58:02	PaulPosition	Hey, a sound question, not too off topic I hope.. How does 'stereo width' have a sense without crossfeed?
23:58:22	stripwax	btw - did you try reinstalling rockbox bootloader before apple restore, or just go with apple restore as a first attempt?
23:58:43	Casainho	Bagder: on the other day you were telling me about options to boot that MCU... and I have a question: can It boot from NAND flash and have on the same NAND the FAT32 system?
23:58:57	Bagder	yes it can boot from nand

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