| 00:00:05 | stripwax | toens - you use the apple os often also? |
| 00:01:16 | Casainho | Bagder: I read that It boots from NAND, serail data flash, USB and serial... but, assuming that it boots from NAND, can i write a #1 bootloader to after mount a FAT32 on the rest of the NAND flash? - what do you thing of this idea? |
| 00:02:12 | stripwax | not too sure what stereo width > 100 means, however.. |
| 00:02:34 | Bagder | Casainho: sounds like a working approach |
| 00:03:01 | Bagder | Casainho: but are you then adding a "fixed" nand flash to the player? |
| 00:03:19 | Bagder | or are you only talking dev board here |
| 00:03:23 | Casainho | the dev board have NAND flash, serial data flash, USB, serial port... but I would like to write a bootloader thinking in that "simple hardware player", simple meaning with less IC's as possible :-) |
| 00:03:36 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:03:41 | Bagder | and does that mean nand? |
| 00:04:00 | pixelma | PaulPosition: stereo width is also something the hwcodec Archoses can do, in contrast to crossfeed (I'm also not sure of the details) |
| 00:04:09 | Bagder | because I don't understand why you would work on _different_ boot methods on the dev board compared to the planned player |
| 00:04:34 | PaulPosition | stripwax - Good thinking, more than 100 sounds weird if there's no delay introduced :p |
| 00:04:36 | Casainho | well, a player with 8 MB of fixed memory, for have rockbox on there, and after have an SD card port, for memory to audio files, etc... |
| 00:05:26 | stripwax | gnight all |
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| 00:05:43 | Buschel | good night, test is runnig over night :) |
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| 00:05:51 | PaulPosition | Anyway, listening to those old Vangelis, pink floyd or beach boys, I learnt to appreciate crossfeed a lot. :D |
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| 00:06:03 | Casainho | I thinking as you, try to work as possible next to the planned player :-) |
| 00:06:32 | Casainho | but I am discovering, I don't know, It's my first time... :-) |
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| 00:08:07 | Casainho | you already give the idea of put a bootloader on different memory from NAND flash, and have NAND flash for FAT32... - but I would like to know if would be possible to use just the NAND flash IC... |
| 00:08:24 | Bagder | I already gave you that idea too |
| 00:08:57 | Bagder | a flash is just memory |
| 00:09:02 | Bagder | you can use it however you like |
| 00:09:07 | scorche|w | Casainho: like i said...just worry about the first one...you will learn a lot of things you will need to do differently on the second, but dont worry about the second till the time is right |
| 00:10:15 | Casainho | ah, okok :-) - so, Its possible :-) - because now I will focus on that idea of use just the NAND flash... thats important because I must know what I will use of the dev board and also to not disperse on information :-) |
| 00:10:44 | Bagder | but again... |
| 00:10:50 | Bagder | are you then adding a "fixed" nand flash to the player? |
| 00:11:31 | Casainho | scorche|w: but I think that the first step, or the next, is to write the bootloader, and I must know what memories I will use to that, and I must understand the boot process... |
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| 00:12:20 | Casainho | Bagder: I don't understand your question :-) - I would like to have "fixed" flash memory in player just to hold the RB, maybe just 8MB |
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| 00:12:28 | scorche|w | Casainho: yes...i am talking about all of your comments "for the 2nd gen player"....dont even think that the second gen player till you are done with the first |
| 00:12:45 | Casainho | I did answer for what I understand.. I don't know if right |
| 00:12:49 | Bagder | Casainho: yes, but not an 8mb NAND? |
| 00:13:07 | Bagder | I thought you had a serial NOR flash |
| 00:13:20 | Casainho | oh men, I am confused!! :-) |
| 00:13:57 | Casainho | Bagder: please stop! don't tell me that I am mistake :-) :-) |
| 00:14:25 | Casainho | scorche|w: okok |
| 00:14:33 | Bagder | I promise to stop now, I'm off to bed... ;-) |
| 00:14:51 | Casainho | Bagder: it says: "512MB NAND Flash (seen in Linux as silicon drive)" |
| 00:15:10 | Bagder | sigh |
| 00:15:14 | Bagder | that's the DEV BOARD |
| 00:15:20 | Bagder | not your planned player, right? |
| 00:15:36 | Bagder | or am I wrong? |
| 00:15:53 | Casainho | more or less, I don't really know... :-) |
| 00:16:12 | Casainho | I know that it have much more than that planned player needs... |
| 00:16:17 | Bagder | I thought you'd use the dev board to develop the stuff that would run on the rockboxplayerv1 hw |
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| 00:16:49 | Bagder | that's how I would've done it |
| 00:16:54 | Bagder | good night! |
| 00:16:58 | Casainho | well, V1 will be with that dev board, V2 the Olimex versdion.,.. |
| 00:17:12 | Casainho | okok - good night :-) |
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| 00:19:01 | rockho | you know what I'd like on rockbox |
| 00:19:27 | rockho | more bass. |
| 00:19:48 | Llorean | Please tell me you're kidding. |
| 00:20:47 | Seed | get the latest Prodigy album.. it has "more bass" :) |
| 00:21:12 | scorche|w | ugh...loudness wars... |
| 00:22:04 | Seed | Californication by the RHCP has more of everything.. not just bass |
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| 00:22:29 | kslater | hey, anyone that's contributed to the Rockbox project - great job. So much better than the firmware that Sansa put on the device (e250) |
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| 00:24:04 | JdGordon|w | Seed: yeah... more of the same crap that rhcp are known for... now if they added more skill and variety it might have been a half decent cd |
| 00:25:03 | * | rasher coughs |
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| 00:26:00 | * | Llorean wonders what any of this has to do with "Rockbox" |
| 00:26:44 | Seed | music you should never play on a Rockboxed device |
| 00:27:07 | toens | change your headphones |
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| 00:35:02 | PaulPosition | Hey, Frusciante and Flea are skilled mofos' .. :grrr: |
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| 00:35:33 | Seed | let's not add to the offtopicness |
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| 01:21:39 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: something I just thought about regarding the playback glitching problem... in boost_codec_thread the codec thread prio is set to realtime. Doesn't that almost surely cause the buffering thread to starve and therefor the codec thread itself too? |
| 01:22:41 | Nico_P | Some time ago I tried raising the buffering thread prio to realtime in there too, but I think that maybe neither should be set to realtime |
| 01:23:30 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: any two threads at the same priority will both be scheduled round-robin |
| 01:23:46 | Nico_P | ah |
| 01:24:04 | jhMikeS | barring any removal from the run list of course which can change the order (waits, etc.) |
| 01:24:16 | Nico_P | well that patch didn't seem to improve things so I guess my theory is rubbish :( |
| 01:25:16 | jhMikeS | did you try priority_yield instead of yield in buffering.c? That will ensure execution once per round regarless of base priority |
| 01:25:27 | Nico_P | ah, no |
| 01:25:33 | Nico_P | didn't know about it |
| 01:26:17 | Nico_P | I can't try myself though... have you ever experienced these issues yourself? |
| 01:26:41 | jhMikeS | very rarely after skipping around |
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| 01:27:59 | Nico_P | ok |
| 01:28:45 | jhMikeS | perhaps one or two breaks before buffering catches up, never anything extensive. sometimes I get the noise thing that's been reported. |
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| 01:30:51 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: do you think you could give the prioriy_yield idea a try? |
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| 01:31:38 | jhMikeS | I did and it seemed a little faster at the start but I think it should be tested on a player that has major trouble. |
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| 01:33:42 | Nico_P | what player do you have? |
| 01:34:20 | jhMikeS | e200, 3g, H120, Gigabeat S, X5, H10-20GB |
| 01:34:34 | Nico_P | wow, nice list :) |
| 01:34:35 | jhMikeS | Gigabeat F |
| 01:34:53 | Nico_P | I'll ask Godeater to test it |
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| 01:34:58 | jhMikeS | S in the works :) |
| 01:35:03 | Nico_P | any luck with it btw? |
| 01:35:18 | Nico_P | getting custom code to run |
| 01:35:30 | jhMikeS | I got diverted but I want to get sendfirm to work on windows. libmtp should be useable there. |
| 01:35:58 | Nico_P | really? I thought it was meant for POSIX systems... on cygwin maybe? |
| 01:35:59 | jhMikeS | I'm having trouble using the installer. I got the bootloader to start but only if not join with mknkboot |
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| 01:36:20 | jhMikeS | It has a readme on compiling and using it in window in the source distribution |
| 01:36:22 | mhydronic | hi, i searched forum but couldnt find anything on this. i have ipod 5g with latest build. if i'm playing an album and try to load another playlist, rockbox crashes. |
| 01:36:27 | Nico_P | ah that's still rather good news... I thought you had been completely unsuccessful |
| 01:36:31 | Nico_P | ok |
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| 01:38:05 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: have you tried compiling libmtp and sendfirm yet? |
| 01:39:57 | jhMikeS | not yet. I needed to hack on Visual Studio Express to be able to build libs first. building all that is the next project in line. |
| 01:40:15 | Nico_P | good to hear :) |
| 01:40:32 | Nico_P | I sent ptw419 another mail in case he didn't get the first |
| 01:40:58 | XavierGr | I tried the other day to send code to my Gigabeat S, all things went wrong |
| 01:41:13 | Nico_P | how so? |
| 01:41:14 | XavierGr | first I couldn't make WMP and windows to recognize my S |
| 01:41:29 | XavierGr | then I restored it removing the rockbox bootloader |
| 01:41:42 | XavierGr | but I couldn't do it with my machine because the updater crashed all the time |
| 01:41:54 | XavierGr | finally I managed to write the rockbox bootloader again with sendfirm |
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| 01:42:25 | XavierGr | but now I can't sent the rockbox firmware into the S because my vmware got borked and can't compile rockbox |
| 01:42:44 | XavierGr | all things went wrong at the same time! |
| 01:42:47 | Nico_P | you can use senfirm within vmware? |
| 01:43:00 | XavierGr | nope, dind't worked the first time that I tried that |
| 01:43:07 | XavierGr | instead I booted kubuntu |
| 01:43:10 | Nico_P | ok |
| 01:43:46 | XavierGr | my main problem now is to get back my development platform and then restore MTP drivers for windows/wmp |
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| 01:44:05 | XavierGr | the strange thing is that all these worked quite fine for me in the past |
| 01:44:07 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: sendfirm is heavily based on libmtp's example/mtp-sendfile, so the code should be portable to windows quite easily |
| 01:44:38 | Nico_P | XavierGr: I'm afraid I can't be of much help... all I've ever used my S with is linux |
| 01:44:51 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: It requires libusb and others to be built as well |
| 01:44:53 | XavierGr | also I am quite sure that once the rockbox bootloader is flashed you can pass the firmware with just the MTP explorer |
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| 01:45:02 | Nico_P | I got gnomad2 to handle albums correctly too :) |
| 01:45:39 | XavierGr | Nico_P: do you know if ptw's work on the interrupts was on the bootloader or the rockbox firmware? |
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| 01:47:36 | Nico_P | XavierGr: probabaly in the early stages of the bootloader |
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| 01:48:31 | XavierGr | I was thinking that it could be replicated in the firmware, because even with the current bootloader the firmware is loaded and crashes after the bootloader ended |
| 01:49:07 | XavierGr | I can't imagine having to flash all the time the unit with a new bootloader |
| 01:50:12 | Nico_P | well rockbox's bootloader is actually in a firmware file... the real bootloader is eboot.bin |
| 01:50:42 | Nico_P | so you needn't reflash everytime... sendfirm doesn't flash anything |
| 01:50:51 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: one thing I want to avoid is having to distribute anything with dlls. I think it can just be one console app. |
| 01:51:07 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: yes, that would be nice |
| 01:53:07 | Nico_P | I should go to bed now |
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| 01:56:30 | XavierGr | holy shit, in one of the Gigabeat S cpu pdf's on the freescale site, they have a picture of an Archos Recorder (or something like that) |
| 01:56:33 | XavierGr | http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/training_information.jsp?code=WBT_27176&fsrch=1# |
| 01:56:41 | XavierGr | 4th page |
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| 01:59:40 | jhMikeS | indeed. a little extra power for hwcodec I imagine :) |
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| 02:00:36 | XavierGr | hehe, it is just somewhat strange to see devices displayed there that don't use the cpu they are reffering too |
| 02:00:39 | pixelma | I _think_ that's the so called multimedia jukeboxes |
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| 02:03:58 | jhMikeS | SuperH is Freescale though IIRC |
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| 02:06:08 | pixelma | casing looks almost the same as the fm recorders (v2) but they have a colour display and a different chip |
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| 02:08:25 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: ah I didn't know that the cpu on the archoses is freescale |
| 02:11:35 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArchosAV100Port :) |
| 02:14:56 | jhMikeS | A TI DSP + a MAS DSP? hrm. |
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| 04:37:21 | javisk | Hello, all. I'm a new rockbox user |
| 04:38:21 | psycho_maniac | great. welcome to the #rockbox irc channel |
| 04:38:45 | javisk | Thanks. I actually had a question |
| 04:39:18 | javisk | It has to so with unicode fonts |
| 04:39:33 | psycho_maniac | just ask the question. |
| 04:39:55 | psycho_maniac | and wait a few moments and somebody should be able to help you. |
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| 04:40:56 | javisk | Well there seem to be only two fonts listed on rockbox.org that support the Korean character set |
| 04:41:11 | javisk | and they represent two different Korean typefaces |
| 04:41:28 | javisk | but there are some others that I owuld like the option to see on my DAP |
| 04:41:45 | javisk | So, are there any other sources for fonts? |
| 04:42:52 | cool_walking_ | Check here: rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/ |
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| 04:44:04 | javisk | Great. I'll look through those |
| 04:46:15 | cool_walking_ | There's one called unifont that I think has pretty much every character, but it's not very pretty. It's in the font pack on the "extras" page. |
| 04:47:29 | javisk | Yeah unicode and 6+12x3 support Korean |
| 04:48:03 | javisk | from the rockbox-fonts.zip |
| 04:48:30 | javisk | but that is only two choices, and at one size for each |
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| 04:51:16 | javisk | also there is no choice between monospace and proportional |
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| 04:51:43 | javisk | there are atleast two more major types of korean typeface |
| 04:51:51 | javisk | that would be nice to see |
| 04:52:12 | javisk | maybe I could convert from a ttf font to the format RB uses? |
| 04:52:14 | TiMiD[FD] | would be nice to have more unicode fonts |
| 04:52:45 | TiMiD[FD] | I suppose it's not very difficult to convert a computer font to the rockbox format |
| 04:52:46 | Soap | make some. |
| 04:52:54 | Soap | nope - tools are provided. |
| 04:52:57 | TiMiD[FD] | the problem is with the licence |
| 04:53:08 | Soap | Hard part is finding a "pretty" unicode font which is opensource. |
| 04:53:10 | Soap | yeah |
| 04:53:16 | javisk | no problem with license if I use it myself, though |
| 04:53:23 | TiMiD[FD] | ms arial unicode is almost perfect |
| 04:53:50 | javisk | I'm not a fan of it's latin portion though |
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| 04:56:07 | TiMiD[FD] | yeah but it covers a lot of alphabets |
| 04:56:15 | TiMiD[FD] | one of the most complete I know so far |
| 04:56:44 | javisk | right |
| 04:57:25 | javisk | it's a good fallback. I had to use it for correct display in a GTK program. |
| 04:58:18 | javisk | "(10:52:51 PM) Soap: nope - tools are provided." What tools are those? |
| 04:58:26 | TiMiD[FD] | oh |
| 04:58:32 | TiMiD[FD] | convbdf I think |
| 04:58:41 | TiMiD[FD] | I've never done it myself though |
| 04:59:40 | saratoga | ugh i still can't profiling to work |
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| 05:00:20 | javisk | so it is a two step process, then? ttf->bdf->fnt ? |
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| 05:00:44 | TiMiD[FD] | javisk: so I suppose that you first have to convert the font you want to the bdf format and then use convbdf to make a .fnt |
| 05:00:53 | TiMiD[FD] | yes |
| 05:01:26 | TiMiD[FD] | or maybe more, I don't know if there are tools to convert directly from ttf to bdf |
| 05:01:35 | javisk | Ok, Thanks |
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| 05:03:56 | TiMiD[FD] | javisk: http://sbiswas.tripod.com/ttf2bdf/ |
| 05:04:29 | TiMiD[FD] | seems that their download link is dead |
| 05:07:16 | javisk | Oh? The download worked for me |
| 05:07:25 | javisk | But acted very strangely... |
| 05:07:49 | javisk | The webpage made me think that it would have a GUI, it looks like it runs from a CLI |
| 05:08:29 | Llorean | I hear Fontforge is a decent gui tool |
| 05:08:51 | TiMiD[FD] | I have yet to find a way to make fontforge export to bdf |
| 05:08:58 | TiMiD[FD] | it may be possible ... |
| 05:09:14 | TiMiD[FD] | but I don't like the toolkit they use |
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| 05:10:11 | javisk | What about the second step of converting to RB's fnt format? |
| 05:10:27 | javisk | or is it just changing the extension? |
| 05:11:20 | psycho_maniac | no |
| 05:11:39 | TiMiD[FD] | use the convbdf tool |
| 05:11:55 | javisk | Oh sorry I missed that |
| 05:13:45 | javisk | Hm I canonly find the source |
| 05:15:37 | saratoga | i think its only in source form |
| 05:16:03 | javisk | That explains it ;; |
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| 05:27:50 | saratoga | yes finally profiled something |
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| 06:00:56 | duvnell | where would I go about posting a message about this? |
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| 06:50:47 | gevaerts | Does anyone know the status of the usb_storage driver ? Is there some sort of TODO list of what remains to be done to make it functional ? I might spend some time working on it, but knowing where to start would be helpful. |
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| 07:25:44 | heartsblood | Is rockbox working on the nano 3g series? All the docs says it doesn't but does that mean they havn't gotten around to it, or is it not possible? |
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| 07:31:31 | cool_walking_ | heartsblood: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14871.0 |
| 07:32:50 | heartsblood | I've seen youtube video's of rockbox running on 3g's. are they fakes? |
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| 07:34:07 | rockho | I love rockbox. |
| 07:34:15 | rockho | best program I ever used I think |
| 07:34:32 | rockho | it made my garbage ipod color into a usable media device |
| 07:35:13 | cool_walking_ | This ( http://youtube.com/watch?v=NDvxLJZEpPA ) looks too smooth... I guess it's a video. |
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| 08:34:57 | JdGordon | hmm... how long usually does the sansa take to turn back on once the battery is run completly flat? (with the charger connected obviously..) |
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| 09:23:29 | crazy_bus | I'm trying the rockbox simulator for a e200 but the up/down keys don't work |
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| 09:37:01 | cool_walking_ | crazy_bus: are you sure you have the right keys? if you start rockboxui with (I think) "rockboxui −−background", you'll get a picture of the key mappings. |
| 09:38:04 | crazy_bus | cool_walking_: actually I have a correction. They work in the main menus but not in a few plugins. Such as doom. Also I don't have a numpad on this current computer so I'm using the alternate keys |
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| 09:51:52 | zee | Hello. Is there a function in rockbox that is executed after power on but before the first sound is produced. I.e. a place where some initial sound settings can be applied. I'm looking for a place to set the initial sound pitch. |
| 09:53:15 | zee | PS. The function should of course be executed after the settings have been read. |
| 09:59:17 | petur | check main.c |
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| 10:03:46 | zee | petur: thanks! Is audio_init() the right place? |
| 10:06:30 | petur | probably |
| 10:07:20 | zee | petur: ok, I'll try. Thank you. |
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| 10:36:15 | GodEater | merry Friday everyone |
| 10:37:11 | petur | :) |
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| 11:36:08 | Avi_ | hi |
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| 11:38:21 | petur | hi |
| 11:38:53 | Avi_ | how does one update rockbox to the most current build? i downloaded the most recent build but i do not want to delete what is already on my rockbox... what files do i replace? |
| 11:39:10 | petur | just unzip it to your player |
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| 11:39:42 | petur | unless you edited a theme or wps and kept the same name |
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| 11:40:03 | Avi_ | so i won't lose any current information if i just unzip it ? |
| 11:40:10 | petur | Avi_: unless you edited a theme or wps and kept the same name |
| 11:40:32 | Avi_ | i did add a few themes |
| 11:40:42 | Avi_ | so the only folders i wouldn't replace are themes and wps? |
| 11:40:48 | Avi_ | what about icons and fonts? |
| 11:40:58 | * | preglow tries to remember how to extract stuff from a firmware image |
| 11:41:03 | petur | stuff you added will stay there |
| 11:41:48 | Avi_ | k thanks |
| 11:41:54 | petur | Avi_: if you only added things and didn't change any original themes/wps/... then just unzip the whole thing |
| 11:41:58 | Avi_ | i'm on a mac so it unzips it for me |
| 11:42:14 | petur | poor fellow ;) |
| 11:42:18 | Avi_ | i have a folder of the build |
| 11:42:26 | Avi_ | yeah, its a bitch |
| 11:42:36 | Avi_ | i'm kinda a newb to this thing |
| 11:42:46 | * | Avi_ shuns the newb |
| 11:43:26 | Avi_ | not new to irc but to this whole rockbox deal... its pretty fun. just with this update deal not quite sure... |
| 11:43:38 | Avi_ | but it should work fine |
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| 11:45:56 | phunni | hello |
| 11:46:35 | petur | hi |
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| 11:46:44 | Avi_ | thanks peture |
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| 11:47:30 | phunni | I just put rockbox on my ipod mini (1st gen) and it all seems OK - except that it doesn't appear as a drive in windows... Anyone got any ideas why not? |
| 11:47:58 | petur | boot into apple OS before connecting |
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| 11:53:37 | phunni | OK - I'm now in apple OS and have connected and it's still not showing up as a drive... |
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| 12:15:15 | phunni | so - can I only connect it in windows when it's running apple? |
| 12:15:49 | petur | yes |
| 12:16:00 | cool_walking_ | phunni: Yes. Rockbox's UMS (what makes the player appear as a drive letter) isn't complete yet. |
| 12:16:15 | phunni | fair enough I suppose - is there an eta on that? |
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| 12:17:48 | cool_walking_ | No idea. I haven't heard of any progress on it. |
| 12:18:05 | phunni | OK - thanks for the help... |
| 12:20:24 | cool_walking_ | phunni: Found this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbSoftwareStack |
| 12:21:20 | petur | cool_walking_: that is outdated stuff... |
| 12:22:32 | phunni | It's not a huge problem - I run Linux at home and mounting it under linux seems to work perfectly. It's just if I want to use it with my PC at work that I'll have to boot under apple... |
| 12:22:53 | cool_walking_ | Mounting under Linux doesn't work either, it's the same thing |
| 12:23:13 | phunni | It most certainly does - I did it last night... |
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| 12:23:35 | preglow | anyone remember how to extract retailos from the ipod firmware image? |
| 12:23:37 | cool_walking_ | Are you sure you weren't in the Apple firmware or Apple Disk Mode? |
| 12:23:53 | phunni | 100% certain... |
| 12:24:00 | GodEater | phunni: you're 100% wrong |
| 12:24:02 | cool_walking_ | petur: Any more current info available? |
| 12:24:05 | GodEater | there is no usb mode in rockbox at all |
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| 12:24:39 | GodEater | the only usb code in rockbox currently for the ipods detects the connection and restarts the ipod in apple's disk mode |
| 12:24:49 | toens | excuse my ignorance, haven't been here in a while, but i'm sure i recall plugging into USB while rockbox was loaded and it recognised the drive? |
| 12:25:04 | GodEater | "it" being ? |
| 12:25:10 | toens | windows |
| 12:25:23 | GodEater | yes, because rockbox reboots the ipod into apple's emergency disk mode |
| 12:25:31 | cool_walking_ | Hasn't it stopped rebooting into Disk Mode, in favour of sitting there charging? |
| 12:25:32 | phunni | that's not happening under windows for me - but under linux it appears as a device under /dev which can then be mounted... |
| 12:25:38 | Domonoky | GodEater: there is a usb stack in rockbox, but it just requests high power, no ums mode |
| 12:25:54 | GodEater | Domonoky: I'm aware of this, but UMS is what's under discussion |
| 12:26:01 | GodEater | phunni: see above |
| 12:26:13 | GodEater | there is *no* UMS code in rockbox |
| 12:26:31 | GodEater | cool_walking_: it's got flakey under windows apparently - we don't know why - it works for me |
| 12:26:41 | Nico_P | GodEater: hi! I've talked about the playback skipping issues with jhMikeS and he suggested something... do you think you could try it? |
| 12:26:51 | GodEater | cool_walking_: there is no "in favour of charging" behaviour without holding menu when you plug in the cable |
| 12:26:56 | GodEater | Nico_P: sure |
| 12:27:07 | * | GodEater git svn rebases |
| 12:27:46 | Nico_P | GodEater: it's quite simple: using priority_yield instead of yield in buffering.c |
| 12:27:56 | GodEater | are there lots of calls to change ? |
| 12:27:59 | Nico_P | (there's only one yield() call) |
| 12:27:59 | GodEater | or just one or two ? |
| 12:28:03 | GodEater | yay! |
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| 12:28:59 | GodEater | building... |
| 12:29:07 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
| 12:29:28 | GodEater | I even had my ipod plugged in already waiting :) |
| 12:29:31 | Nico_P | maybe adding the priority patch I made some days ago will help if that change alone doesn't |
| 12:30:29 | GodEater | certainly turning off database autoupdates lowered the insane amount of disk access to merely "a few cans short of six pack" instead of "running round howling at the moon" insane... |
| 12:32:35 | markun | Anyone with a Gigabeat F and an iriver h1xx in here? |
| 12:32:41 | GodEater | not on me |
| 12:32:43 | GodEater | but I own both |
| 12:32:51 | GodEater | the h1xx is at home |
| 12:32:59 | phunni | thanks for all your help guys - very useful |
| 12:32:59 | markun | GodEater: can you comment on this? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15111.0 |
| 12:33:04 | pixelma | markun: aren't you? |
| 12:33:04 | | Part phunni |
| 12:33:36 | markun | pixelma: I already commented on that thread :) |
| 12:33:43 | GodEater | markun: I find them on a par really |
| 12:33:55 | GodEater | although I don't use my iriver much outside my car |
| 12:34:07 | markun | I haven't used my iriver in a while |
| 12:35:00 | markun | but if anything I had the feeling that the Gigabeat had better sound, but without a real test it's hard to say. |
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| 12:35:34 | markun | Doesn't Llorean have both? |
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| 12:35:50 | markun | and maybe linuxstb |
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| 12:42:31 | crazy_bus | I saw a mention on a forum about Kugel's build. Is there a place where people post special builds? Because I can't find any reference to it. |
| 12:42:52 | Nico_P | crazy_bus: there's a forum section for those |
| 12:43:46 | crazy_bus | thanks. I see it now |
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| 12:48:47 | GodEater | Nico_P: didn't help |
| 12:49:11 | GodEater | real and usefl both suddenly drop to empty |
| 12:49:19 | GodEater | and then the pcmbuf rapidly empties too |
| 12:49:21 | GodEater | and then you get the skip |
| 12:49:38 | GodEater | real and usefl seem to be taking along time to fill too |
| 12:51:58 | GodEater | should they both be full (or nearly) ideally ? |
| 12:53:16 | * | GodEater compares his gigabeats buffering thread screen |
| 12:53:26 | GodEater | ipod has a track count of only 1 |
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| 12:53:42 | GodEater | gigabeat has 5 |
| 12:53:56 | GodEater | and real and usefl are both full |
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| 12:54:14 | GodEater | ipod's real and usefl and both very nearly empty |
| 12:54:44 | GodEater | data_rem is o on ipod |
| 12:54:47 | GodEater | er |
| 12:54:47 | GodEater | 0 |
| 12:55:14 | GodEater | handle count is 6 on ipod |
| 12:55:17 | GodEater | and 15 on gigabeat |
| 12:55:17 | Nico_P | rally? with only one track? |
| 12:55:30 | GodEater | yes |
| 12:55:39 | GodEater | why is the track count only 1 too / |
| 12:55:40 | GodEater | ? |
| 12:56:08 | Nico_P | that could be the playback thread not giving the buffering code tracks to buffer fast enough... |
| 12:56:30 | * | GodEater starts a new playlist |
| 12:56:31 | Nico_P | what I don't understand is that data_rem = 0 would indicate buffering is finished for the track |
| 12:56:37 | GodEater | trackcount is 11 now |
| 12:56:39 | GodEater | and handle count is 33 |
| 12:56:45 | Nico_P | sounds better |
| 12:56:47 | GodEater | real and usefl are both now filling up |
| 12:56:53 | Nico_P | no skips? |
| 12:56:57 | GodEater | nope |
| 12:57:20 | Nico_P | ideally, real should end up being full and usefl slightly less and decreasing |
| 12:57:31 | GodEater | well initial playback didn't do that at all |
| 12:57:38 | GodEater | they were both hovering very near the bottom |
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| 12:57:51 | Nico_P | how long was the track you started with? |
| 12:58:00 | GodEater | 5 minutes ? |
| 12:58:10 | GodEater | I don't understand why it was only one track though |
| 12:58:24 | Nico_P | oh so no way it could have been fully buffered with real being almost empty |
| 12:58:49 | GodEater | what does touching the controls in the buffering debug screen do ? |
| 12:59:01 | Nico_P | it can skip tracks |
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| 12:59:13 | Nico_P | don't know what the assignments are on the ipod though |
| 12:59:26 | GodEater | I think you *really* need to see an ipod video |
| 12:59:31 | Nico_P | indeed |
| 12:59:32 | GodEater | it's doing weird weird things |
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| 13:00:07 | Nico_P | a logf dump with logf enabled for playback.c and buffering.c could help in the mean time though |
| 13:01:19 | Nico_P | with logfqueues enabled too (in playback.c they're currently sim only) |
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| 13:04:37 | Nico_P | GodEater: also, did the track have album art? |
| 13:05:33 | GodEater | it does - but it hasn't loaded in the WPS |
| 13:06:25 | Nico_P | does the WPS have AA tags? |
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| 13:10:06 | GodEater | yes |
| 13:10:10 | GodEater | it's cabbiev2 |
| 13:10:32 | Nico_P | then there was an attempt to load the bitmap, which probably made matters worse |
| 13:12:10 | GodEater | need food |
| 13:12:11 | GodEater | brb |
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| 13:24:30 | Nico_P | GodEater: for when you come back: maybe try with a non AA build (in the config-*.h file, comment out the #define HAVE_ALBUMART) |
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| 13:46:57 | petur | mooooo |
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| 13:52:03 | RhinoB | afternoon folks ... any devs around here want to confirm a possible bug in rb? |
| 13:54:03 | Nico_P | sure |
| 13:54:08 | petur | just ask the question. Did you check the tracker, btw? |
| 13:54:29 | RhinoB | I couldn't see anything and I checked the latest source and it doesn't have the fix |
| 13:55:21 | RhinoB | in apps/tagcache.c - check_if_empty ... *tag[length] should be (*tag)[length] |
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| 13:55:59 | GodEater | Nico_P: I still get drop outs even after the bmp has successfully loaded |
| 13:56:09 | GodEater | so I don't think that's anything to do with the problem |
| 13:56:17 | Nico_P | ok |
| 13:56:45 | GodEater | I'm in the middle of a resumed playlist at the moment |
| 13:56:53 | GodEater | and the real and usefl are both really low |
| 13:56:56 | GodEater | and not gaining |
| 13:58:00 | Nico_P | RhinoB: are you sure? the current version does seem tp make sense |
| 13:58:05 | Nico_P | s/tp/to |
| 13:58:19 | GodEater | if I start a new playlist (i.e. a new folder) from scratch, then I get rubbish audio for about 30 seconds |
| 13:58:26 | GodEater | but then those buffers both start filling up properly |
| 13:58:31 | Nico_P | wow |
| 13:58:34 | GodEater | if a little slowly |
| 13:59:20 | GodEater | RhinoB: how is that a bug ? |
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| 14:00:09 | Nico_P | RhinoB: actually after looking at the code I think you're right... what are the visible effects? |
| 14:00:19 | RhinoB | with that fix I no longer get crashes when trying to read MP3s with large tags |
| 14:00:33 | RhinoB | tag is a pointer to a pointer |
| 14:00:51 | GodEater | neat |
| 14:00:55 | RhinoB | with an array reference it's looking at the pointer at array element 'length' |
| 14:00:59 | GodEater | that'll make a lot of forum posts go away :) |
| 14:01:08 | Nico_P | RhinoB: good catch :) |
| 14:01:25 | Nico_P | I'll let someone else do the commit, I have to go |
| 14:01:37 | GodEater | there's no-one else around who can is there ? |
| 14:01:48 | Nico_P | there's no FS entry? |
| 14:02:17 | petur | RhinoB: make a patch and add it to the tracker |
| 14:02:17 | RhinoB | now I just need to get RB to handle MP3s with large tags properly so it can index my files :D |
| 14:02:19 | GodEater | of for the database hanging ? |
| 14:02:50 | Nico_P | petur: is that really necessary? |
| 14:02:59 | GodEater | FS 7032 ? |
| 14:03:22 | petur | Nico_P: if nobody has time right now? |
| 14:03:26 | Nico_P | ah yes |
| 14:03:45 | * | Nico_P takes off |
| 14:03:59 | RhinoB | don't you think it'll get lost and a "serious" bug like that should get committed sharpish? |
| 14:04:15 | GodEater | RhinoB: it won't get lost |
| 14:05:05 | petur | better check that code for more of those... |
| 14:05:16 | RhinoB | if I get time tonight I will try and do it ... never done a patch in RB before so it'll be a learning curve |
| 14:05:35 | petur | the mistake is made twice in that function |
| 14:05:46 | GodEater | svn diff > your_patch_file |
| 14:06:36 | RhinoB | as I said I'll give it a try tonight |
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| 14:28:09 | |Zumax| | hello everyone, i have a problem: when i am using rockbox utility to install the rockbox on my sansa e 270 i cannot use the Complete installation or smart installation i can also not install the bootloader via using this tool, but i can install rockbox, themes, fonts. when i use sansa patcher, i can install the bootloader, but wenn i reboot my sansa it says, the rockbox fiel not found, did somebody have an idea? |
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| 14:33:09 | GodEater | http://cgi.ebay.com/TOSHIBA-MEGF40-GIGABEAT-40GB-MP3-MOBILE-PLAYER_W0QQitemZ130193023852QQihZ003QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 14:33:12 | GodEater | $.099 F40 |
| 14:34:02 | * | petur puts it on his watchlist |
| 14:35:14 | GodEater | er |
| 14:35:17 | GodEater | .99 even |
| 14:35:21 | GodEater | you got the idea though ;) |
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| 14:36:52 | markun | linuxstb: good afternoon |
| 14:37:12 | markun | I noticed 2 Gigabeat F40's for in 1 sale in the UK: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Toshiba-Gigabeat-MP3-F40-x2_W0QQitemZ290200066904QQihZ019QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 14:37:25 | GodEater | markun: I saw that too :) |
| 14:37:30 | markun | I would be interested in 1 of them if someone in the UK wants to buy them |
| 14:37:32 | GodEater | a colleague is watching it intently |
| 14:37:44 | markun | GodEater: does he want to sell 1 of them to me? |
| 14:37:51 | GodEater | possibly - I can ask |
| 14:38:00 | GodEater | he's borrowing my F40 currently to see if he gets on with it ok |
| 14:38:15 | markun | Which player do you use now? |
| 14:38:49 | GodEater | on a daily basisi ? |
| 14:38:51 | GodEater | the F40 |
| 14:38:58 | GodEater | he's only borrowing it at his desk :) |
| 14:39:05 | markun | can you ask him now? |
| 14:39:10 | GodEater | I just did |
| 14:39:12 | GodEater | he said yes |
| 14:39:13 | GodEater | but |
| 14:39:20 | GodEater | he's also bidding on an F60 he's found |
| 14:39:24 | GodEater | which he'd prefer |
| 14:39:29 | markun | yes, of course |
| 14:39:32 | markun | hm |
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| 14:40:02 | GodEater | he's watching those two others as a backup plan |
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| 14:43:57 | preglow | linuxstb: oi, there? |
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| 14:49:02 | linuxstb | preglow: Just about... |
| 14:50:20 | preglow | linuxstb: you know how to extract retailos from an ipod firmware image? didn't you do a tool for that? |
| 14:50:31 | preglow | and all those other images as well, i suppose |
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| 14:52:45 | DerPapst | hi all :-) |
| 14:53:40 | linuxstb | preglow: ipod_fw should do that IIRC, or ipodpatcher if the firmware image is on an ipod... |
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| 14:55:49 | preglow | what about extracting disk mode/etc apps? |
| 14:56:16 | DerPapst | ipodpatcher can extract and decrypt the aupd image iirc |
| 14:57:07 | DerPapst | then you can use dd to seperate it into diskmode, diagmode and the bootloader |
| 14:57:33 | linuxstb | preglow: There's a tool for that on the IpodFlash wiki page |
| 14:57:36 | DerPapst | weren't the offests for that or a ool posted on the rockbox wiki? |
| 14:57:37 | preglow | leet |
| 14:58:29 | linuxstb | The aupd image isn't the same as what is actually in the flash - the aupd image is a self-contained firmware in its own right, and contains the flash contents as part of the image. |
| 14:58:43 | linuxstb | i.e it contains the flashing code. |
| 14:59:13 | DerPapst | ah. thanks for clarification. |
| 14:59:16 | DerPapst | :-) |
| 14:59:35 | preglow | hmm, the firmware file has three parts, was the last the nike thing? |
| 14:59:54 | preglow | this being a nano |
| 14:59:58 | linuxstb | Yes, it's data (WAV files etc) used by the Nike thing. |
| 14:59:58 | DerPapst | it's the resource image |
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| 15:00:15 | DerPapst | for this nike+ipod application |
| 15:00:16 | linuxstb | IIRC it's a FAT image. |
| 15:00:20 | DerPapst | yep |
| 15:00:35 | preglow | they all start with !ATA |
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| 15:01:34 | preglow | part one says !ATAsoso which i guess is the os, part two says crsr, which sounds like resource to me, part three says dpua |
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| 15:01:50 | * | GodEater reminds preglow of byteordering ;) |
| 15:01:51 | DerPapst | yeah. you have to read them beackwards |
| 15:01:55 | GodEater | OSOS, RSRC, AUPD |
| 15:01:57 | preglow | yeah, know |
| 15:01:59 | DerPapst | osos is the firmare |
| 15:02:31 | preglow | aupd is the flash updater, i guess |
| 15:02:34 | * | GodEater wonders what preglow is planning to do with them |
| 15:02:37 | DerPapst | yes |
| 15:02:39 | preglow | disassemble |
| 15:02:51 | preglow | i want to disassemble the bl and retailos to find out what they do to the pcf |
| 15:02:59 | linuxstb | I thought you did that before, when getting the alarm working? |
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| 15:03:34 | DerPapst | rsrc is the resource thingy. nike+ipod for nanos and some kind of drivers for the boradcom chip (iirc) on ipod videos. |
| 15:03:37 | preglow | indeed, and then i went ahead and erased my whole home directory |
| 15:03:49 | preglow | like a fool, i might add |
| 15:03:58 | DerPapst | heh |
| 15:04:01 | linuxstb | Yes, on the ipod videos, the RSRC is the firmware that runs on the broadcom chip. |
| 15:04:01 | preglow | linuxstb: but at least now i know what to look for |
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| 15:04:35 | linuxstb | (there's also a broadcom firmware image in flash, which presumably the bootloader uploads to the broadcom). |
| 15:04:48 | preglow | indeed |
| 15:06:02 | preglow | doesn't seem like any of them are fat images, though, at least i can't mount them |
| 15:06:44 | linuxstb | You'll need to strip any headers... |
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| 15:08:26 | DerPapst | at least the rsrc one on nanos should be one. not sure about the ipod video one. |
| 15:09:32 | DerPapst | http://ipodlinux.org/NikeiPodSportsKit |
| 15:11:36 | preglow | but ok, what's the format of the headers on these things? i want retailos |
| 15:11:46 | linuxstb | How did you extract them? |
| 15:12:02 | preglow | unzipped what i got from apple, then ipod_fw |
| 15:12:04 | linuxstb | I think ipod_fw puts a 512-byte header on the files. |
| 15:12:14 | preglow | let's see |
| 15:12:47 | preglow | yeah |
| 15:12:54 | preglow | that might be it, looks like interrupt vectors |
| 15:14:07 | preglow | curse me and my complete inability to remember command line flags |
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| 15:17:23 | preglow | yeah, those are interrupt vectors |
| 15:17:36 | preglow | followed by what certainly is gibberish |
| 15:18:00 | preglow | i love that about arm, whenever you see instructions with tons of weird-ass conditional codes, you're almost certainly looking at garbage |
| 15:18:40 | preglow | looks like the bootloader passes parameters to retailos |
| 15:18:47 | linuxstb | Yes, it does. |
| 15:18:55 | preglow | anything fancy? |
| 15:19:03 | linuxstb | loader2 handles it - so see its source code |
| 15:19:14 | preglow | i'd bloody love it if it passed alarm status, for example... |
| 15:19:30 | linuxstb | I can't recall... |
| 15:21:26 | linuxstb | See ipodhw.c in the loader2 source - the sysinfo_t struct. Looking at it now, it doesn't seem to contain anything interesting... |
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| 15:22:32 | preglow | we don't bother with this at all, do we? |
| 15:22:56 | preglow | and yet we boot retailos nice enough |
| 15:23:00 | linuxstb | No, but we probably should... We're probably just being lucky with our bootloader... |
| 15:23:08 | linuxstb | (as in, it's not overwriting that part of IRAM) |
| 15:23:25 | Llorean | Alright guys, anyone have any idea what's wrong with the current e200 build zip? 7zip is giving me "unsupported compression method" on a lot of the files in it. |
| 15:23:25 | preglow | retailos preserves r0 as well |
| 15:23:40 | preglow | so there might be something fun there a swell |
| 15:24:00 | linuxstb | Llorean: It could be worth making a note of which buildserver built it... |
| 15:24:12 | preglow | linuxstb: seems to preserve r0, r2 and r3, as a amtter of fact |
| 15:26:38 | Llorean | linuxstb: apokalyps.org? |
| 15:27:06 | GodEater | who the hell owns that ? |
| 15:27:27 | Llorean | One of the new ones? I don't recognize it, but I don't look often. |
| 15:27:42 | GodEater | we ought to maintain a list of who the admin is for each server |
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| 15:36:49 | preglow | i wonder what resetting the DEV_SYSTEM bit does... |
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| 15:55:30 | kkurbjun | markun, I was looking at the gigabeat clocking some more and it looks like we should just be able to set a bit in the CAMDIVN register to enter a lower power mode by running the clock at 100 MHz - from the DC characteristics it seems that the SOC lowers the core voltage |
| 15:55:40 | kkurbjun | when the DVS bit is set |
| 15:56:46 | kkurbjun | I don't think that just modifying the PLL frequencies will save too much power - the consumption is about linear unless you are changing the core voltage, and witht he gigabeat when it's idle the core clock is cut anyway |
| 15:57:41 | kkurbjun | I'm planning on messing around with it some more eventually, but if you have some other feedback I would be interested |
| 15:58:42 | markun | kkurbjun: I have to leave now, but nice that you are giving it a try again |
| 15:58:53 | kkurbjun | The DVS bit at the very least sets the core to run at ~100 MHz by putting the CPU on the same bus as the periphrials |
| 15:59:09 | markun | I already get quite a nice runtime with my 1000mAh battery, but more is welcome :) |
| 15:59:21 | kkurbjun | not same bus, sorry, same clock :) |
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| 15:59:47 | markun | will you be able to do some measurements? |
| 15:59:57 | kkurbjun | I have a full hardware debugging setup now with gdb, which makes writing code for the gigabeat much more rewarding |
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| 16:00:05 | markun | nice |
| 16:00:11 | kkurbjun | since I can set on hardware breakpoints |
| 16:00:21 | markun | and a multimeter connected to the power supply / battery? |
| 16:00:23 | kkurbjun | I need to get setup with a method to measure the current |
| 16:00:39 | kkurbjun | the guess and look for runtime differences is not very academic |
| 16:01:02 | markun | not, not really |
| 16:01:11 | markun | and would take way too long |
| 16:01:21 | markun | unless you put in a smaller battery :) |
| 16:01:28 | kkurbjun | :) |
| 16:01:44 | markun | anyway, I have to go now. Will be back in an hour or so. |
| 16:01:52 | XavierGr | the only annoying thing left in the Gigabeat F is the remaining OF |
| 16:01:57 | kkurbjun | alright, i'll be at work |
| 16:02:08 | kkurbjun | XavierGr, I'm looking at that again |
| 16:02:21 | XavierGr | are you? just great :) |
| 16:03:03 | markun | kkurbjun: btw, there is one more bug which would be nice to look at: |
| 16:03:05 | kkurbjun | like I said the hardware debugging with GDB makes it much nicer - before I had openocd's console which let me recover the flash, but now I can upload new code without ever touching usb or disconnecing anything |
| 16:03:11 | kkurbjun | the bootloader usb mode |
| 16:03:22 | kkurbjun | my JTAG gigabeat shows that problem |
| 16:03:31 | kkurbjun | so I plan on looking at that as well |
| 16:03:55 | markun | after booting into rockbox the Gigabeat uses a lot of power, after playing audio it gets lowered, and after stopping it's even lower |
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| 16:04:16 | kkurbjun | eigma, helped me out a good deal on the GDB setup.. , oh gotcha, I can check that out too eventually |
| 16:04:19 | markun | somehow something doesn't get initialised correctly which gets fixed by playing audio |
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| 16:05:04 | kkurbjun | I'll try and figure out a way to capture that change sometime |
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| 16:05:48 | petur | markun: so we need to create a startup sound? ;) |
| 16:06:08 | markun | :) |
| 16:06:11 | markun | kkurbjun: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/GigabeatInfo?rev=1;filename=current-07-06-26.txt |
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| 16:35:01 | Nico_P | kkurbjun: have you made any progress twoards rolo and/or sleeping? |
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| 17:15:45 | C30`Palanoid | hi guys |
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| 17:22:26 | C30`Palanoid | any 4th gen ipod users here? |
| 17:23:12 | markun | not me, sorry |
| 17:23:26 | C30`Palanoid | np |
| 17:24:04 | linuxstb | C30`Palanoid: Best to just ask your question... |
| 17:25:23 | C30`Palanoid | actually i wanna help testing an unofficial build that saves power,developed by buschel and someone else,but im not sure where to start |
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| 17:25:32 | Casainho | hello Rockbox people :-) |
| 17:25:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | C30`Palanoid: |
| 17:25:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Oops! |
| 17:25:49 | C30`Palanoid | hi there |
| 17:25:58 | Casainho | I would like to know a good number of buttons for an hardware audio player... can anyone suggest? |
| 17:26:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | C30`Palanoid: Start here: http://power.cleansoap.org/ |
| 17:26:53 | C30`Palanoid | thanks lamb |
| 17:27:11 | n1s | Casainho: IMHO 8 or more is needed to make rockbox somewhat comfortable |
| 17:27:35 | Casainho | n1s: and, can you say the functions of this 8 buttons? |
| 17:27:47 | Casainho | I need to know it's functions... |
| 17:28:06 | linuxstb | 4 direction buttons (up/down/left/right), select, menu, play/pause and stop |
| 17:28:12 | n1s | up/down/left/right, select, menu, play, stop |
| 17:28:27 | n1s | what he ^ said ;) |
| 17:28:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | You can also optionally add Volume Up/Down buttons. |
| 17:29:15 | Casainho | I would like to do a minimalist... |
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| 17:29:45 | Casainho | that 4 buttons, would they work for audio up/down? |
| 17:29:50 | linuxstb | Casainho: No you don't... Targets with a small number of buttons are a pain. |
| 17:29:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's why I said "optionally". ;) |
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| 17:31:25 | Casainho | i am focusing in a good audio player, for me, have buttons for audio task are importante!! as can do volume up and down while player is on pocket, whitout the need to look for the display or the buttons.. just with the fell of the touch |
| 17:31:55 | Casainho | so, 8 buttons? |
| 17:32:08 | Casainho | with 8 buttons I will have no problems? |
| 17:32:31 | markun | anyone with a Gigabeat who wants to test something for me? |
| 17:32:38 | linuxstb | Casainho: You may want separate volume up/down buttons |
| 17:32:44 | n1s | Casainho: up/down is usually volume control in the wps so you should be fine |
| 17:32:45 | XavierGr | markun me |
| 17:33:02 | markun | XavierGr: do you want a patch or my rockbox.gigabeat? |
| 17:33:09 | markun | (or rockbox.zip) |
| 17:33:27 | XavierGr | rockbox.gigabeat if that's where there change is |
| 17:33:34 | XavierGr | there=the |
| 17:33:48 | Casainho | well, if up/down arrows are usually volume control, i prefer 8 buttons then |
| 17:34:10 | Casainho | okok, anyway, that can be changed later if needwed :-) |
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| 17:35:07 | markun | XavierGr: one moment, some webserver problems |
| 17:35:08 | Casainho | thank you :-) - i will define now the schematic for that 8 buttons and assignee that functions for them :-) |
| 17:35:27 | XavierGr | markun: sure take your time |
| 17:35:49 | XavierGr | markun: you can dcc send it to me if you want |
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| 17:39:12 | kugel | Man, Casainho is gone |
| 17:39:25 | kugel | just wanted to recommend a scroll wheel ;) |
| 17:40:17 | * | Llorean thinks wheels are a silly waste of both space and user energy. |
| 17:40:27 | Llorean | :-P |
| 17:40:38 | * | kugel loves scroll wheels |
| 17:40:58 | kugel | or a scroll pad would be nice too |
| 17:41:18 | * | n1s loves regular tactile buttons :9 |
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| 17:41:33 | * | n1s also can't type simelys correctly |
| 17:41:35 | Llorean | They take up a ridiculous amount of physical space for very limited input options, and you have to move your finger continually to scroll. Just seems a step backward to me. |
| 17:41:53 | rasher | Llorean: you get accelleration though |
| 17:41:56 | Llorean | I mean, what do they offer other than "being stylish right now"? |
| 17:42:22 | preglow | another way of navigating some people do prefer? |
| 17:42:44 | kugel | Llorean: Scrolling through a (long) list is much easier with a wheel |
| 17:42:45 | linuxstb | rasher: You get accelleration with normal buttons... |
| 17:42:45 | Llorean | I meant "why do people prefer them"? Like, what about them besides stylishness makes them preferable to buttons? |
| 17:42:55 | preglow | i think wheels are nice enough, but i tend to like buttons somewhat better for their speed of use |
| 17:43:08 | Llorean | kugel: This is not true. Both a wheel and buttons can have both fine and fast scrolling. |
| 17:43:09 | kugel | it's much precise too |
| 17:43:23 | preglow | Llorean: acceleration works better with wheels, there's no way around that |
| 17:43:34 | preglow | it's much faster while still being managable |
| 17:43:42 | Llorean | preglow: Don't know if I'd agree with that. Paged scrolling with buttons still works better for me. |
| 17:43:48 | Llorean | You need a "modifier" button, but that's still minimal. |
| 17:43:54 | preglow | quite simply because they're more analogue than buttons |
| 17:44:12 | preglow | minimal? it requires an additional hand |
| 17:44:15 | preglow | hardly what i'd call minimal |
| 17:44:22 | kugel | yea |
| 17:44:36 | Llorean | Requires an additional finger. |
| 17:45:10 | preglow | sometimes, perhaps |
| 17:45:11 | rasher | linuxstb: you don't get "direct" acelleration though.. just "magic" |
| 17:45:22 | Llorean | I'll give you that a wheel might offer more control over fine grained acceleration rate, but I won't give you that it's "better" |
| 17:45:25 | preglow | wouldn't work very nicely on my h120 |
| 17:45:41 | preglow | "more control" isn't "better", somehow? |
| 17:45:43 | Llorean | We're not talking about a specific player though, but in terms of creating a hypothetical ideal. |
| 17:45:53 | Llorean | preglow: More control over fine grained. |
| 17:46:12 | kugel | Llorean: In most cases you are using a player with only 1 thumb. I doubt it's easy to navigate with the thumb while holding another button with a finger of the same hand |
| 17:46:15 | Llorean | I'd rather simply hold down a finger and quickly scroll through a very long list than have to continually move my finger at a set minimum speed to get the same rate of motion |
| 17:46:28 | kugel | since all the other fingers are usually needed to hold the player |
| 17:46:34 | preglow | really, for that to work with a single hand, they'd have to put buttons on the back of the device, the way i hold it |
| 17:46:40 | Llorean | kugel: yes, and if buttons are on the side or in locations those fingers are near.... |
| 17:47:11 | preglow | on the side would not work for me unless the player is small |
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| 17:47:49 | preglow | guess i've got somewhere around middle-sized fingers |
| 17:47:51 | Llorean | You could also make the modifier near enough that both can be done with one finger. |
| 17:47:55 | Llorean | Like menu and select on an ipod |
| 17:47:58 | kugel | Llorean: which would probably mean the player is disigned for right/left handed only |
| 17:48:11 | kugel | designed* |
| 17:48:14 | Llorean | kugel: Nearly all players are designed with a marked preference for righties. |
| 17:48:31 | Llorean | I challenge you to name how many Rockboxable players, for example, are symmetrical. |
| 17:48:40 | preglow | ipods :) |
| 17:48:42 | kugel | I don't think Casainho aims for repeating this failure |
| 17:48:50 | preglow | the wheel works great with the left hand as well |
| 17:48:50 | Llorean | preglow: Exactly. :) |
| 17:48:56 | preglow | another positive aspect of it |
| 17:49:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Sansas. |
| 17:49:05 | Llorean | Up/down buttons aren't exactly hand-centric. |
| 17:49:09 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: Wrong |
| 17:49:15 | Llorean | Power button and Record button. |
| 17:49:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Forgot! |
| 17:49:23 | Llorean | It really is just the iPod afaik. |
| 17:49:35 | preglow | really, now, i prefer buttons, but i can see why some would like the wheel better |
| 17:49:40 | pixelma | Llorean: just curious - how do you operate your c200? |
| 17:49:43 | Llorean | But my point was just that "wheels are better" is very much a matter of opinion. |
| 17:49:57 | Llorean | I'm not saying wheels are bad, just honestly wanted to know why besides "style" they prefer them. |
| 17:50:05 | preglow | Llorean: if that's your point i agree :) |
| 17:50:10 | kugel | Llorean: ease of use |
| 17:50:11 | preglow | i should stop jumping in in the middle of discussions |
| 17:50:43 | Llorean | kugel: "ease of use" is not an objective term. I was looking for objective specifics. I find buttons MUCH easier, because I have long lists and don't like to spend hours circling my thumb on a wheel far too small to be comfortable. |
| 17:50:46 | kugel | I think wheels are easy to use, intuitive (in most contexts), effective |
| 17:50:49 | XavierGr | scroll wheels are indeed better at accelerating, though this is their only advantage |
| 17:51:02 | XavierGr | tactile buttons are better because they offer more for their size |
| 17:51:03 | Llorean | Wheels very much favor hands near the right size for them. |
| 17:51:10 | preglow | Llorean: tried it on an ipod? list scrolling is really sweet here |
| 17:51:14 | preglow | even with huge lists |
| 17:51:20 | Llorean | preglow: I've got a Nano, yes. |
| 17:51:28 | kugel | Llorean: Hours of circling? Not with acceleration, you can scroll the whole list within 10ms |
| 17:51:32 | Llorean | But it's the "keep your hand moving over X-hundred entries" |
| 17:51:48 | XavierGr | preglow: I found that a scroll wheel can be quite tricky to get it on a certain file I want to choose |
| 17:52:01 | Llorean | kugel: Hours meaning "if I'm operating my device over a long period" |
| 17:52:05 | preglow | yup, they are, but the speed in getting to the area of the file you want makes up for it |
| 17:52:27 | Llorean | preglow: See, paged scrolling on the H120 worked great for me for that. My index finger on my left hand rests on it when holding my DAP anyway. |
| 17:52:28 | preglow | i'd rather use a quick and inaccurate process that's interactive than a slow and accurate one that isn't |
| 17:52:34 | preglow | keeping a button pressed isn't much fun in the long run... |
| 17:52:48 | kugel | And how long would you need to press a button to scroll through a long list? Even with page scroll and a modifier button this takes a bigger amount of time |
| 17:52:55 | Llorean | kugel: No, it doesn't. |
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| 17:53:35 | Llorean | Have you tried paged scrolling on an H120, kugel, to know what you're talking about? |
| 17:53:42 | XavierGr | preglow: moving your finger fast isn't fun in the long run too |
| 17:53:44 | kugel | Well, I tend to love the scroll wheel of my e200 with scroll acceleration |
| 17:53:47 | XavierGr | you waste far less energy by holding a button than moving your finger in circles |
| 17:53:58 | preglow | XavierGr: sure no, but i never do it so long that i even think about it, actually |
| 17:54:02 | preglow | even for long lists |
| 17:54:12 | preglow | but that's me |
| 17:54:36 | XavierGr | yeah of course different tastes for different usage patters |
| 17:54:38 | Llorean | But anyway, nonphysical wheels (like the iPod ones) don't provide good feedback for blind users. Physically scrolling ones, like the Sansa, are a bit "huge" =/ |
| 17:54:47 | Llorean | For a custom player, I'd really stick to buttons. |
| 17:54:47 | kugel | XavierGr: Is it really about the energy one needs to scroll through lists? |
| 17:55:04 | XavierGr | but as Llorean said: too much wasted space. That's why ipods have a problem with keymaps |
| 17:55:07 | preglow | Llorean: yeah, i'm still annoyed we don't have piezo clicking like retailos does, that makes the whole tactile thing better |
| 17:55:18 | Llorean | kugel: Ergonomics. Fitting the thumb at an angle that it can make comfortable loops, etc. |
| 17:55:19 | XavierGr | kugel: it's about all aspects of it |
| 17:55:35 | kugel | XavierGr: e200 doesn't have problems |
| 17:55:45 | XavierGr | kugel: as I said scroll wheels are good for acceleration, bad for picking a certain file and bad for their size |
| 17:56:02 | Llorean | kugel: As I said, a wheel depends on specific hand size. And the e200 has two extra buttons, and most people seem to think the four buttons around the wheel are bad anyway, hard to touch with big fingers. |
| 17:56:07 | kugel | bad for picking a certain file? I can't agree to that |
| 17:56:12 | Llorean | The e200 sacrificed a lot to have that wheel. |
| 17:56:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | I do find the scroll wheels on iPods annoying for the reasons XavierGr just mentioned. |
| 17:56:57 | kugel | well, nice discussion though. I'm off now |
| 17:56:58 | XavierGr | kugel: might be that I am not used to it, but I had troubles picking the correct file, because as soon as I was near it, I had to be very carefull with my finger movement to not pass it |
| 17:57:13 | kugel | XavierGr: I didn't have problems, ever |
| 17:57:21 | Llorean | XavierGr: The e200 has a mechanical wheel. It stops on entries, kinda on its own. |
| 17:57:28 | XavierGr | ah that must be it then |
| 17:57:32 | kugel | can be the reason, yea |
| 17:57:40 | Llorean | But it's still possible to make it skip entries, it's not as precise as kugel makes it sound. |
| 17:57:42 | kugel | cu |
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| 17:57:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Bye! |
| 17:58:12 | XavierGr | doesn't the scrollwheel need more power to operate too? |
| 17:58:18 | XavierGr | (comparing to buttons) |
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| 18:02:35 | n1s | I've used both a 1g and 3g nano a lot over the last week and while I had no problem selecting songs or accelerating I still prefer regular buttons but can't say that one is better than the other |
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| 18:12:08 | pixelma | Llorean: still curious, do you use your c200 "flipped"? |
| 18:13:18 | Llorean | pixelma: Oh, sorry. Missed your question earlier. |
| 18:13:44 | Llorean | I often pick up the c200 with the LCD facing my palm if I'm just adjusting volume |
| 18:13:53 | Llorean | But other than that, I don't do anything out of the ordinary |
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| 18:16:44 | pixelma | Llorean: ah thanks, I thought that display flip would be a good option for left-handed people especially there... that reminds me... ;) |
| 18:18:15 | Llorean | I know. Believe it or not, I'm not home yet. :) |
| 18:18:47 | Llorean | But I haven't forget. |
| 18:18:48 | Llorean | forgot |
| 18:19:00 | pixelma | no worries :) |
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| 18:34:49 | markun | I changed the gigabeat backlight brightness setting to a logarithmic scale (it now looks linear to the eye). Is anyone very much against this? |
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| 18:36:48 | Llorean | I'm not against it. |
| 18:37:05 | pixelma | what's up with the red, looks so unrelated...? |
| 18:37:41 | markun | pixelma: weird |
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| 18:39:42 | markun | Llorean: I made it use 12 brightness levels and called them 1 to 12 |
| 18:39:49 | Llorean | Makes sense to me. |
| 18:40:35 | markun | dimming still uses the orinal steps, maybe it looks better if it's logarithmic too |
| 18:41:25 | Llorean | Was the Gigabeat the target that doesn't have adjustable dimming/fade yet? |
| 18:41:36 | markun | yes |
| 18:41:53 | markun | so I guess I shouldn't worry too much about the dimming until it gets fixed for real |
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| 18:43:10 | Llorean | Yeah, I'd rather see some options for the user. ;) |
| 18:43:19 | markun | Llorean: do you want to try my patch/build? |
| 18:43:49 | markun | I would like to commit it, but am afraid one of the old-timers might get pissed off :) |
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| 18:45:11 | Llorean | I can't really test right now. What about it might piss people off? |
| 18:46:33 | markun | no idea. I'll just commit and wait for the complaints :) |
| 18:46:51 | Llorean | Hehehe |
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| 18:47:40 | markun | I'm not sure if the table should be 'const' or 'static' or both. |
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| 18:50:45 | Buschel | wow, with enabled WPS and not fully loaded battery my 5G ran for 12:52h now :o) |
| 18:51:30 | Llorean | How much does this iPod run under the OF? |
| 18:51:49 | Buschel | cannot test as i use mpc −− it's a 5G 30GB |
| 18:52:40 | Llorean | What are those supposed to get in the OF according to Apple, then? |
| 18:52:45 | Buschel | 14h |
| 18:52:48 | Llorean | Gotcha |
| 18:54:06 | bertrik | markun: I don't know which table you're talking about, but in general it's a good idea to limit the scope of data and functions. So if the table is declared within the scope of a file, making it static would be good I think. |
| 18:55:54 | markun | bertrik: just static is ok? or do I need to mark is const as well? |
| 18:55:56 | bertrik | making the table const could save some ram, but can only be don't if its contents are never modified |
| 18:56:05 | markun | yes, it's never modified |
| 18:56:09 | n1s | const != static |
| 18:56:42 | n1s | iow it should be static const |
| 18:57:48 | markun | ok, it will be in the next commit |
| 18:58:25 | markun | what be the difference between a static and a non-static table? |
| 18:58:48 | n1s | static is only visible inside the same file |
| 18:58:50 | bertrik | non-static is global |
| 18:59:44 | bertrik | but generally, the meaning of static in C depends on the scope (file, function, etc.) |
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| 19:00:10 | n1s | markun: btw there's some red in the gigabeat bootloader |
| 19:02:01 | markun | damn |
| 19:03:17 | markun | ok, fixed |
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| 19:25:25 | jhMikeS | Does anyone have the small H10 that could check out http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8238?getfile=15784 ? Seems big H10 has pullups on SCL/SDA for FM but that needs verification for small H10 to be on the safe side. |
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| 19:40:49 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Iirc a major part of the problem to get the H10 radio up and running was that the H10 has no SCL pullup |
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| 19:41:02 | amiconn | The SDA pullup is there, and the svn driver already exploits that fact |
| 19:41:20 | jhMikeS | amiconn: odd, since it works on mine |
| 19:42:28 | amiconn | I'm not sure whether a small or big H10 was used for that, but even if only a fraction of H10s doesn't have the SCL pullup the driver needs to work like it does |
| 19:44:09 | jhMikeS | you really think they'd vary on that minor detail? is there a record of who was in need of SCL pullup as output? |
| 19:44:31 | amiconn | Should be in the irc logs somewhere |
| 19:44:58 | amiconn | There are many examples of where target hardware varies between revisions |
| 19:49:10 | jhMikeS | that question is why it's not committed but it seems like a very strange thing to revise at that. I suppose if retailos always drives SCL as output then that's an indicator. No big deal to just stick with it as is. |
| 19:50:37 | * | amiconn has seen even more strange things |
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| 19:55:36 | jhMikeS | I'll just toss is a few extra delays and that takes care of it here |
| 19:57:40 | amiconn | ? |
| 19:59:15 | jhMikeS | seems to need trailing delays in the in/out loops |
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| 20:00:57 | amiconn | Clock stretching is a standard i2c feature |
| 20:01:10 | amiconn | Using fixed delays would be rather dirty... |
| 20:01:19 | amiconn | I can't see why the current driver should be |
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| 20:01:25 | amiconn | a problem |
| 20:02:14 | jhMikeS | I don't think it's that. I'm tracking the precise placement. |
| 20:03:08 | * | amiconn wonders what problem jhMikeS is trying to solve... |
| 20:03:43 | pixelma | there were several reports (in the tracker too) about the radio not working (properly) on the 20GB H10s |
| 20:03:45 | jhMikeS | The radio doesn't work at 80MHz on big H10. |
| 20:03:46 | bertrik | is there actually an i2c device on the bus that does clock stretching? |
| 20:04:05 | jhMikeS | some extra DELAY; placement fixes it entirely |
| 20:04:23 | amiconn | bertrik: The TEA5767 definitely does clock stretching |
| 20:04:31 | jhMikeS | I think some transitions happen too quickly |
| 20:04:53 | amiconn | LinusN tested it (on H1x0 iirc; same radio chip) using a logic analyser |
| 20:05:05 | preglow | Buschel: hi, tried your pcf stuff for nano |
| 20:05:15 | Buschel | preglow: any results? |
| 20:05:34 | preglow | some different voltages, otherwise most are the same |
| 20:05:41 | preglow | only one i could disable was dcdc2 |
| 20:06:18 | amiconn | And the 'bus' only consists of 2 devices. Seems like the iriver engineers didn't know i2c is a bus; they usually put each device on its own bus... (applies at least to H1x0, H300 and H10) |
| 20:06:20 | Buschel | that's the alternative voltage for dcdc −− it can be switched between dcdc1 and 2 |
| 20:06:21 | preglow | but i guess disabling ports with nothing connected anyway doesn't save too much power |
| 20:06:44 | Buschel | you could not match to DAC or LCD? |
| 20:07:25 | preglow | hmm? |
| 20:07:42 | Buschel | DCDC1 seems to be CPU. it can be lowered to 1.125V (tested at least for 10min, will run an obernight test) |
| 20:07:56 | amiconn | jhMikeS: It may be that the (more or less generic) bit banging i2c code still misses a few delays; I *think* restarts aren't handled properly |
| 20:08:24 | amiconn | I will probably take another look into this. PCF is also bit banged in H300 and iaudios |
| 20:08:39 | Buschel | preglow: D1REGC is WM-codec, D3REGC seems to be LCD. I am not sure what DCUDC1 is... can be lowered to 1.5V though |
| 20:09:12 | Buschel | ok, promised my wife to finish for a while −− will be back later :) |
| 20:09:57 | amiconn | The problem with these voltage changes is that they aren't committable unless someone finds a datasheet and verifies those voltages are within specs |
| 20:10:45 | amiconn | If we're not in specs, there will be for sure a small fraction of devices which won't work with the modified voltages |
| 20:10:51 | preglow | 1.125 does not work here |
| 20:10:59 | preglow | i'm not a big fan of voltage changes myself |
| 20:11:17 | preglow | if we find that the bootloader sets it too high compared to the datasheet, then sure |
| 20:11:20 | jhMikeS | it seems like SDA gets switched before it can latch the bit in fmradio_i2c_outb |
| 20:11:23 | preglow | i don't think we should lower it any more |
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| 20:11:49 | preglow | sooner or later we'll have hard-to-find bugs reported by people with hardware that can't really take as much |
| 20:12:18 | amiconn | Of course, another verification would be if we find that the OF changes voltages too |
| 20:12:29 | bertrik | amiconn: ok, thanks for the clarification on the tea5767 i2c |
| 20:12:31 | amiconn | (and the values) |
| 20:13:49 | * | amiconn wonders how far LinusN got with his apple OF disassembly work |
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| 20:28:31 | preglow | i had disassembled retailos a bit today |
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| 20:28:45 | preglow | i found some routines that communicate with the pcf in both retailos and bl |
| 20:28:55 | preglow | but i couldn't really find too much use of them in retailos |
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| 20:39:07 | Nico_P | preglow: which target is that for? |
| 20:39:09 | jhMikeS | amiconn: do you think it's possible to use the LCD bridge batch mode on H10? I tried it but it hangs waiting for LCD2_BLOCK_TXOK. Was a quick check so it could be anything. |
| 20:39:55 | amiconn | I'm using block mode on my H10 for months |
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| 20:40:11 | amiconn | I just didn't come around researching the various configuration bits |
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| 20:41:00 | Nico_P | amiconn: I was wondering... do you still have LinusN's ipod video? |
| 20:41:01 | jhMikeS | any settings that have to differ from ipod? it's also the number of bytes to be sent, correct? |
| 20:41:30 | amiconn | The speed needs to be adjusted for the controller |
| 20:41:49 | fml | Hello. Is it Ok that talk_init is called twice for non SW targets? Once in main.c and later in audio_init() in playback.c. |
| 20:41:53 | preglow | Nico_P: nano |
| 20:41:59 | amiconn | Nico_P: Yes, but I don't use it normally, as it's not mine. I only use it for testing |
| 20:42:46 | Nico_P | amiconn: and do you do much testing? I figured maybe if you don't you could maybe send it to me so I can debug those playback issues myself insteafd of having to "use" GodEater |
| 20:42:59 | jhMikeS | amiconn: Even a non-batch asm YUV blit brings pretty decent gains. No formal FPS check yet but an NTSC rate video that would drop hundreds of frames has about 6-7 fps to spare. |
| 20:43:19 | Nico_P | amiconn: there's that and the fact that I have no rockboxable target ATM |
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| 20:54:38 | * | jhMikeS finds he has a good deal of distaste for getting libs together to send junk over a USB cable but will persist through that in order to be able to do something interesting on the S. (if noone else picks it up...hint, hint :p) |
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| 20:55:00 | Nico_P | hehe nice hint |
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| 20:56:15 | preglow | s? sansa? |
| 20:56:21 | jhMikeS | gigabeast |
| 20:56:26 | preglow | roit |
| 20:56:30 | preglow | how's that port going anyway? |
| 20:57:08 | Nico_P | it needs jhMikeS' talent! |
| 20:57:10 | jhMikeS | not well for me since nothing works quite right working from windows and the loader tools doesn't run there yet. |
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| 20:57:44 | * | jhMikeS isn't in a position to do any sort of OS monkeying around on his box either |
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| 20:58:07 | Nico_P | even with a liveCd or a flash pen? |
| 20:58:48 | jhMikeS | no idea really. I'm not well acquainted with linux at all. |
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| 21:00:15 | jhMikeS | everything with me is "I don't bother until I have a compelling reason" but then this thing should ultimately work in windoes...just gotta get the intertia |
| 21:01:15 | * | preglow hates messing around with oses... |
| 21:01:29 | Nico_P | yeah we're going to need it at some point so it might as well be done early |
| 21:01:51 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: any live CD you recommend? |
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| 21:03:14 | Nico_P | maybe knoppix... got a ton of useful things on it |
| 21:03:27 | * | jhMikeS sees a gigantic list on "The LiveCD list" |
| 21:03:28 | Nico_P | doy ou have a flash drive you can use? |
| 21:03:39 | jhMikeS | nope |
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| 21:04:01 | Nico_P | haha so I can stop searching for live CDs that can use one to save data :) |
| 21:04:19 | Nico_P | knoppix is on of the best Live CDs no soubt |
| 21:04:22 | Nico_P | doubt |
| 21:04:41 | Nico_P | http://www.knoppix.org/ |
| 21:05:30 | woodensoul | I've been getting an new bug lately and wanted to see if you guys were getting the same thing. A track in the playlist will get repeated even though repeat is OFF and the track title displayed is then wrong. I'm guessing it's the track at the end of the buffer, but not sure on that one. |
| 21:06:23 | Nico_P | woodensoul: it's been reported by some people but I confess I haven't looked into it |
| 21:06:45 | jhMikeS | Thanks. I'd at least like to get something loading there and check out what's going on. |
| 21:07:07 | woodensoul | Nico_P: is there already a bug report? |
| 21:07:33 | Nico_P | woodensoul: I think so... let me look |
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| 21:09:07 | pixelma | I had that too the one repeated track "replaced" the one that was supposed to play (it was right in the playlist). Unfortunately I haven't been able to reproduce |
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| 21:10:22 | Nico_P | woodensoul: actually I think I got confused with another bug |
| 21:10:59 | Nico_P | feel free to open one, but if it's your first read the guidelines and please be as specific as possible :) |
| 21:11:56 | * | Nico_P wonders if becoming the playback guy was such a good idea |
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| 21:52:45 | austrian_coder | Hello? Anybody here who can help with a (quite simple) coding problem? |
| 21:52:56 | petur | heya! |
| 21:53:41 | austrian_coder | Hi! |
| 21:54:10 | austrian_coder | I wrote a little plugin that displays the unsynced, embedded lyrics from a mp3 file |
| 21:55:10 | austrian_coder | But I can't test it because it does not show up in the "plugins" dialog in the simulator, although I added it in the SOURCES and the CATEGORIES file |
| 21:55:53 | petur | for the correct target(s) I assume |
| 21:56:46 | austrian_coder | In the SOURCES I added in under "/* plugins common to all models */" |
| 21:57:38 | austrian_coder | and in CATEGORIES as "lyric_viewer,demos |
| 21:58:35 | austrian_coder | the file is called "lyric_viewer.c" and placed in apps/plugins/... |
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| 22:00:48 | petur | does the endresult look like lyric_viewer.demos ? |
| 22:01:59 | woodensoul | Nico_P: I filed a bug report regarding the playback problem. FS #8513 |
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| 22:02:47 | Nico_P | woodensoul: thanks :) |
| 22:03:01 | Nico_P | woodensoul: have you tried it on the sim? |
| 22:03:17 | woodensoul | nope |
| 22:03:29 | woodensoul | but it has occurred on several targets for me |
| 22:03:39 | austrian_coder | @petur: What do you mean? It looks like "lyric_viewer,demos" |
| 22:03:47 | Nico_P | I'll try it on a sim (don't have any targets ATM) |
| 22:04:51 | Nico_P | austrian_coder: do you see the source file get compiled? |
| 22:05:04 | Nico_P | (nice to see you around btw :) ) |
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| 22:07:02 | petur | anybody know the real name of RhinoB? I'd like to commit his bugfix |
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| 22:10:25 | austrian_coder | @ Nico_P: 1. I just realized there's already someone with that name - I'm not the "real" austrian_coder :oops: |
| 22:10:59 | austrian_coder | 2. The .rock file gets compiled, and suddenly it shows up in the "demos" list |
| 22:10:59 | Nico_P | petur: ah, I was going to investigate it too.. I'll let you do so |
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| 22:11:16 | petur | I'm about to commit ;) |
| 22:11:18 | Nico_P | austrian_coder: ah, so problem solved :) |
| 22:11:27 | John__ | hi there. |
| 22:11:40 | Nico_P | and it's true the austriancoder we know doesn't have an underscore in his nick |
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| 22:12:16 | Nico_P | you austrians don't seem to be very imaginative ;) |
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| 22:12:17 | austrian_coder | But when i click it, it says "Cant open .. lyric_viewer.rock |
| 22:12:30 | Nico_P | (I know, I'm not very well placed to make that comment, but hey) |
| 22:13:40 | austrian_coder | and the sim says "We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/nvram.bin' \n failed to load /.rockbox/rocks/demos/lyric_viewer.rock \n dlopen(archos/.rockbox/rocks/demos/lyric_viewer.rock): archos/.rockbox/rocks/demos/lyric_viewer.rock: undefined symbol: sim_open |
| 22:14:14 | austrian_coder | The other plugins (fire.rock etc.) work |
| 22:14:22 | pixelma | petur: probably the same as http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=13730 (typo in Nico_P's commit message if you have a look at the FS entry) |
| 22:14:24 | Nico_P | have you used rb->open() in your plugin? |
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| 22:15:04 | Nico_P | pixelma: looks like it, yes |
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| 22:15:30 | petur | pixelma: thanks! |
| 22:16:05 | Nico_P | petur: have you found any related FS entries? |
| 22:17:02 | petur | have not searched ;) |
| 22:17:31 | Nico_P | GodEater suggested FS #7032 might be caused by it |
| 22:19:32 | petur | hmmm it might, yes |
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| 22:45:50 | stripwax | Buschel - I would be very interested to know at what voltages the WM can be used effectively for a given volume settings.. |
| 22:46:04 | stripwax | Trying out patch on 5G 60GB right now .. :-D |
| 22:46:09 | * | stripwax big thumbs ups |
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| 22:46:47 | Buschel | stripwax: i will also start the next runtime test in a few minutes −− battery should be fully loaded now |
| 22:49:06 | stripwax | ooh. wonder if BCM power can be lowered when backlight is off (although maybe that's exactly when you need high contrast, hm, so maybe not) |
| 22:49:07 | Buschel | stripwax: I only found power supply is possible from 1.8-3.6V −− nothing else |
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| 22:49:46 | stripwax | Buschel - for the WM? ok. I think preglow (?) had idea to test distortion of full wave sines with low voltage supply |
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| 22:54:05 | Soap | I think all aspects need checked - even the absurd ones. SNR, channel sep, blah blah blah. |
| 22:54:30 | Soap | I'll take a crack at it when I'm finished with my current work (hopefully this weekend) |
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| 23:03:39 | Buschel | can't we check against other WM specs? I am just looking at some spec which compares THD/SNR/etc for 1.8V vs. 3.3V voltage |
| 23:03:44 | Nico_P | could someone test a playback patch for me? |
| 23:04:03 | stripwax | Buschel - quick (stupid question) - pcf-test-01 patch includes the device_disables patch right? |
| 23:04:13 | Buschel | stripwax: yes |
| 23:04:17 | stripwax | ta |
| 23:04:32 | stripwax | Nico_P - which patch |
| 23:05:00 | Nico_P | stripwax: one I just made... I'd like to know how track skips feel in terms of responsiveness |
| 23:05:15 | stripwax | sure, bring it on. could you take a look at sliding_puzzle ? :-) |
| 23:05:35 | Nico_P | hehe why not |
| 23:05:41 | * | stripwax woohoos |
| 23:05:45 | Nico_P | is DCC ok? |
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| 23:06:38 | stripwax | um - never tried it to be honest. pastebin? |
| 23:06:55 | stripwax | oh - one sec - flashing icon .. |
| 23:06:57 | Nico_P | i've sent it by DCC, let's try :) |
| 23:07:21 | Nico_P | stripwax: what target do you have to test on? |
| 23:07:28 | Nico_P | (btw, apply with -p1) |
| 23:08:22 | stripwax | ok building. what should I expect (is it a audio responsiveness thing or a visual responsiveness thing)? |
| 23:08:49 | stripwax | Nico_P - ipod 5g 60gb. also an H120 somewhere but I can't even find the charger for that |
| 23:09:26 | Nico_P | stripwax: I'd like to know if you see a visual responsiveness change in the WPS |
| 23:09:39 | Nico_P | on track skipping, possibly fast |
| 23:10:40 | petur | Nico_P: I have had two times this week some garbage noise at start of playback. Build was 1 week old. Anything ring a bell? |
| 23:10:41 | stripwax | I'll give it a quick whirl on the current build to remind myself how unresponsive it is first :) |
| 23:10:43 | Nico_P | this probably fixes FS #8320 but I'm afraid responsiveness suffers |
| 23:10:55 | * | stripwax check |
| 23:10:58 | Nico_P | petur: not at all :( |
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| 23:11:31 | Nico_P | I don't understand the sudden surge of playback bugs... maybe my recent bug fixes made things worse |
| 23:11:53 | petur | if it happens again with current svn I'll give you an FS# ;) |
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| 23:12:52 | Nico_P | petur: do you think you could try to see if the bug is due to one of my recent changes in playback.c? (http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/playback.c?view=log) |
| 23:14:01 | petur | it still happens with current svn |
| 23:14:06 | petur | (just checked) |
| 23:14:35 | petur | whoa |
| 23:15:05 | petur | very reproducable if I start p[layback as soon as booting is done |
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| 23:15:41 | stripwax | wow, my ipod's just hung on the apple logo. reset doesn't. disk is spinning |
| 23:15:53 | Nico_P | petur: if the bug appeared after jan. 9 it probably isn't my fault |
| 23:16:31 | petur | I don't know when this started :( |
| 23:16:54 | petur | my previous build was from last week and that had it already |
| 23:17:39 | stripwax | any ideas? do I just have to leave it spinning and frozen until the battery is flat? |
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| 23:19:00 | stripwax | (this has never happened before - but with the backlight on and the drive spinning I imagine the battery will die sometime before noon tomorrow... ) |
| 23:19:16 | stripwax | (which is annoying as I'm on vacation from tomorrow morning) |
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| 23:21:47 | stripwax | ah. reset now works again. how odd. back to normal. |
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| 23:22:06 | petur | Nico_P: I always get it when I resume playback while the disk is spinning. Once it spins down, no noise at playback start. I can't get it when I force a disk spin later on... can't you reproduce? |
| 23:22:07 | stripwax | and it's still stuck on the apple after the reboot. oh dear. |
| 23:23:29 | * | stripwax pokes around - his ipod might be on the way out |
| 23:23:53 | stripwax | apple os boots, thankfully. will do the usual stuff |
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| 23:27:42 | petur | this really sounds like the playback engine is playing program memory or uninitialized mem. I can start/stop and reproduce several times as long as the disk spins :/ |
| 23:28:48 | petur | Nico_P: look at FS #8498, it is exactly what I hear |
| 23:28:56 | stripwax | codec specific? |
| 23:29:37 | petur | this was mp3, i'll try something else |
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| 23:31:09 | petur | hmm... doesn't happen with mpc |
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| 23:36:10 | petur | wav is fine too... seems to only happen with mp3? (don't have ogg/wma/... around here) |
| 23:36:19 | stripwax | cbr / vbr ? |
| 23:36:25 | petur | vbr |
| 23:36:59 | Nico_P | stripwax: so rockbox refuses to boot? |
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| 23:38:01 | stripwax | Nico_P - it did indeed. but I could boot into apple ok, so copied over the build again. fingers crossed. |
| 23:38:10 | Nico_P | ok |
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| 23:39:01 | stripwax | f**!! windows won't let me unmount it now. hate hate hate .. :( |
| 23:39:30 | Nico_P | the sliding puzzle patch is looking good |
| 23:39:53 | stripwax | hey, good news :) |
| 23:40:12 | stripwax | any chance it might get committed ? |
| 23:40:13 | Nico_P | I need to look at the code, but it seems to work nicely |
| 23:40:18 | Nico_P | sure |
| 23:40:27 | stripwax | fantastic! |
| 23:40:38 | stripwax | fancy taking a look at the pacbox_on_cop patch too? :-) |
| 23:41:10 | Nico_P | not sure I'm competent for that one... have you asked linuxstb |
| 23:41:31 | karashata | just want to mention to whoever did the work on the SPC codec recently that there's a small bug currently that causes the codec to fail and miss a track when resuming playback on boot |
| 23:41:54 | stripwax | Nico_P - actually, yes. don't know if he looked at it yet, or not .. |
| 23:42:10 | stripwax | Nico_P - hrm. undefined instruction at 00019AA8 (0) |
| 23:42:19 | karashata | I put a bug report on the tracker, FS #8515 |
| 23:42:34 | stripwax | Nico_P/Buschel ^ not sure where/what the fault is |
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| 23:42:51 | Nico_P | stripwax: at what moment did the crash occur? |
| 23:43:08 | Buschel | stripwax: did you use my patch? |
| 23:43:08 | Buschel | and nico's? |
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| 23:43:14 | stripwax | yes |
| 23:43:17 | stripwax | and yes |
| 23:43:21 | Buschel | :) |
| 23:43:23 | stripwax | just after the Rockbox logo |
| 23:43:47 | Buschel | svn works? |
| 23:43:49 | Nico_P | then it's probably not my fault unless you had resum on startup |
| 23:43:54 | stripwax | I do |
| 23:44:02 | Nico_P | ah then it might be my fault :) |
| 23:44:17 | Nico_P | but I really doubt it |
| 23:44:18 | stripwax | and reset doesn't work again.. all this resetting can't be healthy for the disk |
| 23:46:44 | stripwax | Buschel - svn used to work. your prev patch used to work too. (but then I also used to be able to reset my ipod - have no idea what's up) |
| 23:47:14 | Buschel | stripwax: if my last change is in doubt of being the issue -> comment line #32 in power-ipod.c (pcf50605_init();). |
| 23:47:19 | preglow | Buschel: there is a datasheet for the chips, but none that match exactly |
| 23:47:26 | preglow | Buschel: but we have programmed the drivers from those datasheets |
| 23:47:40 | preglow | Buschel: i believ emost of the drivers state at the top what device datasheet they used |
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| 23:50:35 | Buschel | preglow: ah, ok. found it |
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| 23:56:18 | Nico_P | stripwax: have you played around with the smooth resize? |
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