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| 00:04:31 | linuxstb | kugel: I think that's normal, and you can ignore it. (a quirk in the build system) |
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| 00:04:44 | kugel | Ok, thanks |
| 00:07:13 | FMA1394 | does anyone know the answer to my question? |
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| 00:07:45 | FMA1394 | [16:47] <FMA1394> Is there a way to produce sound (like from an mp3) through the piezo speaker on the iPod 5th gen? |
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| 00:08:40 | BigBambi | FMA1394: If anyone knows, they will answer |
| 00:08:50 | BigBambi | There is no need to repeatedly ask |
| 00:09:23 | FMA1394 | Ah, ok. |
| 00:10:02 | BigBambi | Also, quoting the time isn't too helpful - to me that looks like you asked 8 and a half hours ago |
| 00:10:18 | BigBambi | :) |
| 00:10:39 | kugel | linuxstb: FS #8527, I think I completed my work on scroll button rename now :) |
| 00:10:43 | pixelma | I'm not sure where I should post my finding about the resume problem - there are bug reports about resume failures but I'm not sure if they are really related :\ |
| 00:11:04 | pixelma | or the same thing |
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| 00:14:15 | pixelma | hi jhMikeS |
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| 00:21:16 | jhMikeS | hello pixelma |
| 00:21:52 | * | jhMikeS managed to use a windows version sendfirm to load nk.bin to a gigabeat S. :) |
| 00:22:16 | * | Llorean cheers |
| 00:22:38 | * | Llorean eagerly awaits a "GigabeastPatcher.exe" :-P |
| 00:22:47 | jhMikeS | Llorean: so it's normal so far to have it freeze at the logo with some garbage? |
| 00:23:01 | Llorean | At the Rockbox logo? |
| 00:23:04 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 00:23:07 | Llorean | I *think* so |
| 00:23:26 | pixelma | there's a problem with resume on my c200 (it only resumes from a beginning of a file - either the one it was supposed to resume or the next track) and after a bit testing I found that this http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=16105 commit broke it... any ideas? |
| 00:24:12 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I think XavierGr was having it do that too |
| 00:24:35 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I think pixelma's question was directed to you. |
| 00:24:43 | pixelma | it is reproducable, even with manual stop and resume and without reboot cycle |
| 00:24:43 | Llorean | :) |
| 00:24:53 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I was talking about the logo freeze |
| 00:25:15 | rasher | pixelma: from the sounds of a flyspray comment (I forget by whom), that commit exosed probems elsewhere |
| 00:25:21 | jhMikeS | pixelma: yes, there's race conditions in playback that the differing thread execution timing makes show up |
| 00:25:26 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Yeah, sorry, mixing threads is confusing. Yeah, I think that's what they're still trying to fix the interrupts for. |
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| 00:27:40 | pixelma | jhMikeS, Llorean: sorry for not putting the nick in front :) |
| 00:27:59 | jhMikeS | pixelma: The SPC codec failure is also a symptom of that. The freeze on the dual core version was just lack of an init before the codec failure but that's fixed. |
| 00:31:37 | pixelma | jhMikeS: if there are race conditionsit could have happened before too but less likely? |
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| 00:33:11 | jhMikeS | pixelma: sure. in one form, one thread could have always before another where the blocking with mutexes switch that temporally. |
| 00:33:22 | jhMikeS | *always run |
| 00:33:54 | pixelma | if you say so... ;) |
| 00:34:33 | kugel | pixelma: Hmm, might be related. I have trouble with the resume feature on my e200 too lately. It resumes, but does stop the playback after the file. Also, the current playlist gets corrupted or something, returning to wps is not possible using resume |
| 00:34:44 | jhMikeS | bottom line is that threaded code must never have such dependencies or it will always show bugs when something changes underneath it |
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| 00:35:03 | kugel | However, I didn't test it on a current build |
| 00:35:43 | pixelma | kugel: never seen that |
| 00:36:42 | kugel | I'm not totally sure, but I think it's only present when using "last screen" setting, you know what I mean= |
| 00:36:44 | kugel | ? |
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| 00:37:44 | kugel | Well, I'm gonna investigate that further, but I'm quite busy at the moment |
| 00:38:13 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I don't know about gigabeatspatcher.exe. Getting this to work was a PITA where you have to install the libusb driver for that device, install the patched firmware, then remove the device. |
| 00:39:01 | Llorean | JdGordon|w: Slight typo in my response to you. "Behave identically" means "in terms of what screen they return you to", not that "stop and select should do the same thing" |
| 00:39:01 | Llorean | :) |
| 00:39:02 | jhMikeS | libusb (both the filter and single-device driver) interferes with the windows MTP driver |
| 00:39:16 | Llorean | jhMikeS: That's kinda like the e200R process though, isn't it? |
| 00:39:30 | preglow | jhMikeS: oy, just had a weirdo bug with spc here |
| 00:39:44 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Maybe we should just distribute a RButility liveCD :) |
| 00:40:01 | preglow | jhMikeS: halfway through a song, the sound just started looping, while everything remained responsive, kind of made me think the emulation hung |
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| 00:40:19 | pixelma | jhMikeS: btw. Llorean meant a gigabeastpatcher, not a gigabeatspatcher :P |
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| 00:40:21 | jhMikeS | Llorean: :) |
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| 00:40:53 | jhMikeS | preglow: Say what? Unpatched SVN? |
| 00:41:08 | preglow | no, but the only changes are buschel's patch |
| 00:41:28 | jhMikeS | preglow: is that the nano that starts acting funny? |
| 00:41:48 | preglow | jhMikeS: this nano has never been affected by funny nano issues, if that's what yuou mean |
| 00:42:34 | kugel | just wondering, is the sleep timer working with power source inserted? I.e. it wouldn't turn of but stop the playback? |
| 00:42:56 | jhMikeS | preglow: It stopped normally? |
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| 00:44:11 | preglow | jhMikeS: stopped normally how? i had to stop it, time left didn't advance |
| 00:44:20 | preglow | but pressed 'play' paused it just fine |
| 00:44:26 | preglow | and switching to the next track worked fine |
| 00:44:35 | preglow | so it was fully responsive |
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| 00:47:05 | jhMikeS | obviously not a deadlock but it sounds like something got corrupted |
| 00:47:32 | JdGordon|w | Llorean: thats how I read it anyway... didnt even notice the mistake :p |
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| 00:48:12 | preglow | weird, yeah |
| 00:48:14 | preglow | never had it before |
| 00:48:20 | preglow | and couldn't reproduce, the same file played nicely |
| 00:48:35 | pixelma | jhMikeS: once more about the resume and playback bug - is this underlying problem mentioned somewhere or is there something else one could point Nico_P (or others?) to? |
| 00:49:47 | jhMikeS | pixelma: it's mentioned in the IRC logs as of today but I know of nowhere else. :) |
| 00:49:59 | pixelma | ok |
| 00:50:26 | jhMikeS | preglow: another possibility is the something happened to the PCM buffer |
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| 00:50:42 | jhMikeS | preglow: how long of a repeat? |
| 00:50:59 | Llorean | JdGordon|w: Just wanted to make sure you didn't think I was more annoying than usual. :) |
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| 00:58:42 | preglow | jhMikeS: 0.2-0.3 seconds? |
| 00:58:50 | preglow | more like 0.2 |
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| 01:00:33 | jhMikeS | repeating over the internal output buffer would be at most 0.064 seconds (2048 samples) |
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| 01:07:57 | jhMikeS | preglow: I guess that wouldn't stop the time progress either since it would still spit out more and more audio samples. It would have to be in something after it. |
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| 01:14:35 | markun | Llorean: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15153.msg113297#msg113297 |
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| 01:15:30 | gruven98 | hey all... can someone help me real quick..... i forgot how to boot back to rockbox on my ipod video |
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| 01:16:54 | Llorean | markun: Well, all I said was "don't say my improperly created file doesn't play right", which he definitely said. He's putting words into my mouth, honestly |
| 01:17:19 | Llorean | But, I'm done there. |
| 01:17:30 | Llorean | Other than wanting to know if the presets failed, or if he skipped straight to typing 44000 in |
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| 01:18:25 | Llorean | markun: he even said "I don't know if anyone else is having this issue", which rather strongly suggests he thinks it's the software. :-P |
| 01:18:49 | markun | I don't agree |
| 01:18:58 | Llorean | Then there's the bit where he clearly states that "sampling rate is fine" and "Only on the Sansa does the pitch lower" |
| 01:19:03 | markun | the issue is that his file plays back in a lower pitch |
| 01:19:11 | Llorean | He tries to make it clear he thinks the file is fine, and the software is wrong. |
| 01:19:43 | markun | yes, he thinks the file is fine. What's so strange about that? |
| 01:19:53 | Llorean | Well, he had a developer tell him the file was wrong. |
| 01:19:58 | Llorean | To which he responded "no it's not" |
| 01:20:05 | markun | well, ok |
| 01:20:07 | Llorean | And either the file or the software is wrong. |
| 01:20:21 | markun | or both! :) |
| 01:20:29 | Llorean | That can be true |
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| 01:21:17 | linuxstb | DrDnar: Hold MENU+SELECT together to reboot out of the Apple firmware |
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| 01:24:10 | markun | Llorean: shall I lock the thread since the problem is fixed? |
| 01:24:12 | jhMikeS | preglow: on an unrelated note, do you think that using init_mad in mpa.c could possibly be the reason tiny clicks can be heard with mp3 gapless? I'd think you wouldn't want to fully reset the decoder state between tracks to have gapless. |
| 01:24:26 | Llorean | markun: I still need to know if the presets are broken, but I won't argue in the thread any more. :) |
| 01:24:36 | markun | ok, good |
| 01:25:19 | Llorean | I just get irritated when people assume their files can't be at fault AFTER a developer says "We need you to check your file." |
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| 01:26:17 | markun | Well, assumptions can be wrong. Maybe it's better to tell people that they have to realise their assumptions aren't always true unstead of telling them not to make the wrong assumptions. |
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| 01:26:58 | markun | He checked his file by playing it on his PC, didn't have any pitch problems and assumed the file was ok. I can understand that. |
| 01:27:05 | markun | but I'm off to sleep now |
| 01:27:12 | markun | we can continue another day :) |
| 01:27:39 | Llorean | I'm tempted to make a "testing process" guideline. |
| 01:27:57 | Llorean | IE: 1) Verify the file is a valid format. For audio files, see this list. For video files, see these requirements, etc, etc. |
| 01:28:16 | Llorean | Bad files cause so many problems (though ideally we need to handle them gracefully) |
| 01:28:25 | Llorean | I'm surprised mpegplayer isn't already set to reject "bad" sample rates |
| 01:28:25 | markun | not a bad idea if people keep having the same problems |
| 01:28:40 | markun | yes, better to give an error |
| 01:28:44 | Llorean | We get a LOT of bad sample rate mpegplayer requests, which is probably why Saratoga gave such a short answer. |
| 01:28:57 | markun | until (if ever) we use the resampler |
| 01:29:02 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 01:29:29 | markun | or set the audio chip to use the right sample freqency in the first place |
| 01:29:45 | markun | well, if it supports it of course :) |
| 01:29:54 | Llorean | Of course. :) |
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| 01:36:05 | jhMikeS | Llorean: Time to try putting the audio through the DSP I suppose |
| 01:36:44 | Calcipher | i'm getting a "menus/main_menu.c:336 'lang_disk_name_mmc' error : undeclaired (first use in this function)" error, when I try to compile, don't know what changed |
| 01:38:35 | Calcipher | when I run configure and select n for normal build, on #50 sansa e200 series, isn't it supposed to ask me to choose a language? |
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| 01:39:28 | Calcipher | don't tell me I'm going to have to refresh my svn completely and get erase all my old build dirs |
| 01:39:59 | rasher | Calcipher: configure doesn't ask for language since ages |
| 01:40:05 | markun | jhMikeS: I wouldn't mind crossfeed during video playback either |
| 01:40:34 | Calcipher | oh, I wonder where the problem is then |
| 01:41:02 | Calcipher | how have you been rasher, long time no see\ |
| 01:41:05 | preglow | jhMikeS: it might easily be 0.064 seconds |
| 01:41:20 | preglow | jhMikeS: and the timer might not have stopped either, i was in the middle of something when it happened so i'm not quite sure |
| 01:41:27 | jhMikeS | preglow: that would be more of a buzz I'd think than a repeat :\ |
| 01:41:54 | preglow | hmm, lemme do a small experiment in renoise |
| 01:43:00 | Calcipher | has anyone else been experiencing lock ups on the sansa e200 series with recent rb builds, for example when skipping backward multiple tracks |
| 01:43:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: just looped a sample at 2048 samples, and yes, that sounded very much like it |
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| 01:43:38 | Calcipher | power off would quickly bring me back, and even resume would work, but it has been happening to me regularly |
| 01:44:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: and no, i wouldn't reinit everything between tracks for mpa |
| 01:44:29 | preglow | jhMikeS: but we've been doing that for ages without breaking gapless, afaik |
| 01:45:00 | jhMikeS | markun: I suppose I'll hammer out some code |
| 01:46:20 | jhMikeS | preglow: There are quiet clicks between tracks on some albums. I'll try them without full reset and see what happens. |
| 01:47:13 | preglow | imdct overlap buffer surely gets emptied on reset |
| 01:47:18 | preglow | and i don't think we what that for gapless |
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| 01:47:34 | preglow | hmm, then again, encoder delay cut should deal with that |
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| 01:47:53 | preglow | jhMikeS: mp3 is never perfectly gapless, btw, i've got a track here that isn't completely gapless any place |
| 01:48:00 | preglow | it's just a tough format |
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| 01:52:34 | Calcipher | just to refresh my memory, It has been 2 and a half months since I compiled, and I was new to it, first set up a main dir, update svn, create a build dir, run configure from build dir, then run the make command, is this correct? |
| 01:53:50 | Calcipher | then I would use the makezip |
| 01:54:03 | jhMikeS | preglow: I always managed to split manually to a perfect gapless from MP3 files and the particular first/last samples are rather obvious on sight and the lengths cut in the audio editor come out correct when just doing it visually. |
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| 02:00:14 | preglow | worth trying anyway |
| 02:00:17 | preglow | i need to sleep, gniht |
| 02:01:34 | Calcipher | cool I think I did do it right, seems what ever unholy tragedy I had created in my old build dir was messing up my compile |
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| 02:04:57 | Calcipher | forgot the syntax for the sapi voice options... |
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| 02:06:25 | JdGordon | is there any reason the playlist handling in the core needs to be able to do anything with playlists other than the one currnetly being played? (other than obviously saving and loading a m3u)? |
| 02:08:12 | Calcipher | hey JdGordon, do you know any details on the voicing metadata in talk files work that is going on? |
| 02:08:21 | JdGordon | nope |
| 02:08:33 | Calcipher | I only heard that it was happening, I don't know what patch it is |
| 02:09:21 | Calcipher | hopefully it will allow the playlist and database to be fully read, not just spelled out |
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| 02:30:32 | Calcipher | can anyone remind me how to specify which sapi voice you want to use using configure, under sapi options |
| 02:31:05 | Calcipher | I don't remember the syntax for specifying, and also don't remember where this information is available |
| 02:36:03 | Calcipher | wow, I'm amazed I actually remembered, I doubted myself since it sounded so simple, but "voice:'voice name'" is the arguement |
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| 02:40:30 | AceNik | hey guys mpegplayer has boken on rockbox h10 20GB, it shows all videos yellow & half the screen nothing is clear |
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| 02:42:02 | Calcipher | alright, I assumed that was right because I didn't receive any error messages, but in fact, the voice file generated was exactly the same, so my options input had no effect what so ever |
| 02:43:02 | JdGordon | is there any difference between m3u8 and m3u other than the 8 is in unicode? |
| 02:43:47 | AceNik | according to me svn rev 16171 & 16172 are responsible for the mpegplayer glitch |
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| 02:47:23 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: Grats on the sendfirm pacther, how can one achieve that? My Windows installation refuses to see my Gigabeat S (I have to test on the laptop every time) |
| 02:47:28 | Calcipher | where is there a list of commands that can be used in the sapi options section of configure? |
| 02:48:31 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: also did you find where exactly rockbox crashes? All I know is that it certainly mades it after the show_logo() in main.c but every attempt to fill it with debug messages crashed it |
| 02:48:34 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: I'm using XP if that's any factor. Do you have libusb installed |
| 02:49:05 | XavierGr | jhmikes: nope, so libusb will just suffice? |
| 02:49:08 | jhMikeS | I have some feeling the interrupts should all be masked by the bootloader if rockbox will be loaded |
| 02:49:45 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: the libusb filter driver will prevent proper detection. using the libusb driver install can only be used to load the firmware. |
| 02:49:46 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: yeah probably, I suspect that's why sleep makes the player wait endlessly? |
| 02:50:38 | jhMikeS | There's no sleep implementation is there? |
| 02:51:00 | linuxstb | Calcipher: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7984 |
| 02:51:12 | XavierGr | I am not sure I didn't check, whenever I call it, it just waits and nothing happens |
| 02:51:21 | jhMikeS | Perhaps the MMU isn't initialized correctly too. Hard to say myself since I haven't been beyond that point yet. |
| 02:51:38 | XavierGr | I tried to put many lcd_puts, lcd_updates but it data aborts... :\ |
| 02:51:47 | XavierGr | (although the first one works |
| 02:52:21 | jhMikeS | I'm betting MMU and/or cache config |
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| 02:52:53 | XavierGr | do you have the sendfirm.exe binary? (compiled on cygwin I guess) |
| 02:53:03 | XavierGr | so I could use it and see if it works for me? |
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| 02:55:02 | jhMikeS | sure. I'll zip something up. It uses DLLs for the moment. You have to use inf-wizard.exe to install the libusb driver for the device and then remove that device before dumping the .rockbox folder in it since it won't connect with any libusb stuff installed. |
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| 02:55:58 | linuxstb | That won't cause users installation problems ;) |
| 02:55:59 | XavierGr | ok please send it to me when you have it ready. (dcc or anything you like) :) |
| 02:56:04 | Calcipher | thank you linuxstb |
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| 03:07:27 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/sendfirm-win.zip |
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| 03:09:58 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: which is that datasheet that you are reading, the one that freescale gives on their site references only electrical characteristics... |
| 03:11:03 | jhMikeS | I've got the huge PDF |
| 03:11:28 | jhMikeS | 14000KB |
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| 03:13:18 | XavierGr | I've got one that is 2.10MB |
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| 03:14:57 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: see PM |
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| 03:41:37 | Calcipher | victory!, by sniffing through some of the old IRC logs, from november, when I finally got this to work, I found the correct input for sapi options |
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| 03:42:36 | Calcipher | its simply /voice:'voice X' |
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| 04:51:32 | HelioNami | Hello, Got a hopefully simple question. I don't have a USB Cable for my iPod, just a Firewire cable. Can I still use rockbox to it's full funcionallity? |
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| 04:58:05 | Helio_Nami | Sorry about that, internet issues. so I didn't get an answer. |
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| 04:59:12 | Helio_Nami | If my question even got through heh. Can I still use my Firewire connection to my iPod or do I have to get a USB connection for it? |
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| 05:29:16 | duvnell | usage question: if I wanted to browse the database, go to Artists and then select a particular artist.. I'd like that entire artist's tracks to replace the current playlist, is that possible? I know you can hold select and have it insert into the current playlist, but there isn't an option for it to replace the playlist. It would seem obvious enough just to hit "Play" on that artist and it do that. |
| 05:29:22 | duvnell | .. same would go for anything else under the db |
| 05:31:55 | Llorean | duvnell: Last time you asked that, I asked you if the 'Play Next' option was there in the same list as the "Insert" and "Queue" options |
| 05:34:27 | duvnell | Llorean: sory.. my IRC didn't say any one had replied |
| 05:34:34 | duvnell | no I think only insert and insert shuffled show up |
| 05:35:46 | Llorean | Could you go check? |
| 05:36:12 | Llorean | There's a "Play Next" option for folders, and there's really no reason it shouldn't be there for the database too. |
| 05:36:35 | duvnell | I jsut did |
| 05:36:38 | duvnell | that's all that's there |
| 05:37:22 | duvnell | I'd prefer a "replace currently playlist" option |
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| 05:37:37 | duvnell | along with the other options |
| 05:37:55 | midgey | duvnell: you have music playing when you are browsing the database? |
| 05:38:00 | Llorean | That's what "Play Next" does. |
| 05:38:18 | Llorean | If you're playing music, it finishes the current song then replaces the current playlist with the selected item |
| 05:38:58 | Llorean | I have a "Play Next" option in my database while music is playing |
| 05:39:16 | Llorean | "Insert" replaces the playlist when music isn't playing, because there is no playlist when music isn't playing. |
| 05:41:13 | duvnell | it doesn't sound like it would replace.. but like it would insert into the current playlist whether it was playing or stopped |
| 05:41:27 | Llorean | If you've stopped the music there is no playlist. |
| 05:41:31 | Llorean | So inserting into a blank playlist.... |
| 05:42:18 | duvnell | are you hitting (holding) select on an entire artist in the db listing? |
| 05:43:13 | Llorean | If playback is stopped, the INSERT and QUEUE functions can be used to create a new playlist <−− The Manual |
| 05:43:16 | Llorean | And yes, I am. |
| 05:43:19 | Llorean | Are you doing it when music is playing? |
| 05:43:45 | Llorean | "Play Next" only shows up when music is playing. If music is stopped, there's no "Next", simply "Now", as the current playlist is empty. So you can use "Insert" |
| 05:44:13 | duvnell | funny.. now I do have several options under the menu |
| 05:44:44 | duvnell | whether it's playing or paused |
| 05:45:03 | Llorean | Paused is not the same as Stopped |
| 05:45:05 | duvnell | I don't have a stop button.. so maybe it's doing that since I had just powered it on, but not played anything yet |
| 05:45:09 | Llorean | You can stop |
| 05:45:15 | Llorean | Again, this is covered in the manual. |
| 05:45:17 | Llorean | did you read it? |
| 05:45:27 | duvnell | mostly.. a while back.. but I don't have a stop button |
| 05:45:36 | Llorean | I didn't say you had a stop button. |
| 05:45:38 | Llorean | I said you can stop. |
| 05:45:50 | duvnell | what button can do that? |
| 05:45:55 | Llorean | I don't know what player you have. |
| 05:46:00 | Llorean | And I told you already it's in the manual. |
| 05:47:06 | Llorean | If you have an e200, you tap the "Power" button. If you have an iPod, you hold down Play/Pause. |
| 05:47:09 | duvnell | long play |
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| 05:47:49 | duvnell | yep.. only two options when stopped |
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| 05:48:03 | duvnell | so insert would make it become the current playlist |
| 05:48:15 | Llorean | Well, there is no "last" or "next" when there's no playlist... |
| 05:48:44 | duvnell | so stopping the music essentially clears the playlist? |
| 05:48:54 | Llorean | Not "essentially". It does clear the playlist. |
| 05:49:10 | duvnell | but it still lets me hit play again |
| 05:49:12 | duvnell | so it wasn't cleared |
| 05:49:13 | Llorean | Pressing the resume button basically reloads the playlist. |
| 05:49:18 | duvnell | k |
| 05:49:38 | duvnell | just seems like it didn't clear it if playing again will reload the same thing |
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| 05:49:55 | woodensoul | does anyone know if apple made a 80gb iPod other than the video 5.5 and classic? |
| 05:50:09 | duvnell | and if you view current playlist under the playlist menu while stopped, then it still shows the same thing |
| 05:50:12 | duvnell | i.e. not cleared |
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| 05:50:55 | Llorean | Well, the manual clearly states "If playback is stopped, the INSERT and QUEUE functions can be used as described in 4.4.3 to create a new playlist" |
| 05:51:08 | Llorean | So even if you were unsure, the manual tells you that you can empty a playlist like this. |
| 05:51:15 | duvnell | then apparently that is "make this the new playlist" feature |
| 05:51:22 | duvnell | which is what I wanted :0 |
| 05:51:25 | duvnell | so I'm good.. |
| 05:51:37 | duvnell | just named funny |
| 05:52:32 | Llorean | "View Playlist" should just say "View Previous Playlist" when music is stopped. |
| 05:53:59 | duvnell | well, it's always called "view Current playlist" actually |
| 05:54:49 | Llorean | And it should say "Previous" when music is stopped. |
| 05:55:55 | duvnell | has any talked been had about having it remember the current state when powered off and restore that state when powered on .. as an option of course.. so that it would remember if it was playing, what screen you were on, etc |
| 05:56:11 | duvnell | and position within song of course |
| 05:56:28 | duvnell | this would seem to help with books on tape for sure, and just convenience for many other things |
| 05:57:03 | Llorean | There's an option to resume playback on startup... |
| 05:57:23 | duvnell | that'd be sufficient for me.. lemme play with that |
| 05:57:41 | Llorean | I'd really suggest spending some more time with the manual. It seems like you've missed a lot of features that would've interested you. |
| 05:57:48 | duvnell | k |
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| 06:09:21 | thejas | hello all |
| 06:10:11 | thejas | i have the new creative zen 16gb flash player and was wondering if anyone is working on a rockbox firmware for it? |
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| 06:59:31 | woodensoul | Anybody know for sure if Apple made any iPods with 80Gb capacity other than the 5.5 gen and classic? |
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| 07:12:47 | JdGordon | anyone wanna have a quick play with my new playlist editor plugin? (need ideas for features) |
| 07:18:20 | rocko | my boy has a |
| 07:18:31 | rocko | ipod video with 80gigs |
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| 07:20:26 | cool_walking_ | woodensoul: yep, those are the only two: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688 |
| 07:23:34 | woodensoul | Thanks cool_walking. I couldn't find that page. |
| 07:25:17 | cool_walking_ | Wikipedia had it too - it's generally a good place to look. |
| 07:31:32 | woodensoul | i was thinking about getting a 80gb hard drive for my gigabeat f, but they are so hard to find and very expensive, so I might go for the 5.5 80GB iPod |
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| 07:35:55 | rocko | yeah |
| 07:36:01 | rocko | I need to get a new mp3 player |
| 07:36:34 | rocko | I still wanna be rockbox compatable though |
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| 07:45:50 | JdGordon | Llorean: you round? |
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| 08:11:48 | MattAndrew | If I just registered on the wiki, can I edit my own profile or do I need to ask for write permission to the wiki first? |
| 08:14:18 | JdGordon | you probably need permission.... |
| 08:14:42 | JdGordon | MattAndrew I assume? |
| 08:15:08 | MattAndrew | yes |
| 08:15:37 | JdGordon | done... knock yourself out |
| 08:16:05 | MattAndrew | thanks |
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| 08:23:04 | MattAndrew | JdGordon, your profile on the wiki doesn't have any info. What part of Rockbox do you work on? |
| 08:24:04 | JdGordon | some would say all the broken bits |
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| 08:32:38 | * | amiconn wonders about the delta... |
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| 08:35:07 | JdGordon | why? its green |
| 08:35:17 | JdGordon | oh! |
| 08:35:32 | JdGordon | yeah... the 4g grey has been odd more a few occasions |
| 08:36:06 | amiconn | No, I am referring to Ondio SP and Player |
| 08:36:29 | JdGordon | they'll show up next commit probaly |
| 08:36:35 | amiconn | The reason for the sometimes odd jumps in size on PP502x is known |
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| 08:42:23 | MattAndrew | I'm interested in working on the hardware design for the rockbox player. Anyone in here keen on discussing that right now? |
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| 12:04:18 | Songokuu | Hi, I've noticed a small display problem in Cabbie theme... |
| 12:05:06 | Songokuu | Could someone check this? This is link where I wrote about it: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?p=210728#post210728 |
| 12:05:34 | GodEater | why post about it there ? |
| 12:07:00 | Bagder | yeah, seems odd to post there and then ask us for help with it... |
| 12:07:06 | Songokuu | Because I don't know other way how to tell people who are involved in making this Cabbie2.0 theme on Flyspray |
| 12:07:25 | Bagder | so why not use the rockbox forums? |
| 12:07:39 | Bagder | that's where the cabbie development was discussed in the first place |
| 12:07:41 | Songokuu | And they asking for help when some kind of bugs are noticed |
| 12:08:55 | Bagder | but if you respond to "them" asking for help, what do you want from us? |
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| 12:10:30 | Songokuu | I hope someone from the "Cabbie theme" wiil be here |
| 12:10:58 | Bagder | imho, you should not look for specific people but rather discuss your problem |
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| 12:11:01 | GodEater | Songokuu: as Bagder already said, all the Cabbie developers hang out on our forums. |
| 12:11:16 | Songokuu | Ok I will try to register on Flysray... |
| 12:11:29 | GodEater | *forums* not flyspray. |
| 12:11:36 | Songokuu | Thanks guys |
| 12:11:38 | Bagder | if it is a bug you can file a bug report sure |
| 12:12:36 | pixelma | wasn't there someone already posting a link to a patch for this problem? |
| 12:12:46 | Songokuu | Thanks <GodEater> |
| 12:12:50 | pixelma | fly spray link I mean |
| 12:13:57 | Songokuu | There is something on Flyspray that should fix something in Cabbie on sansa but this something is not the problem I talking about |
| 12:14:32 | Songokuu | Thanks for your time... |
| 12:14:52 | GodEater | Songokuu: have you checked both the thread in the forums *and* flyspray ? |
| 12:16:23 | Songokuu | I checked only Flyspray...my mistake...just checking forums. |
| 12:16:52 | GodEater | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10030.0 <−− this is the right thread |
| 12:16:59 | GodEater | you may need to check way towards the end of it though |
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| 13:05:47 | * | Bagder hmpfs |
| 13:06:01 | Bagder | my sandisk contact is no longer working for sandisk... |
| 13:07:47 | linuxstb | Apple? |
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| 13:09:02 | Bagder | no, AmazingTechProducts.com obviously |
| 13:09:16 | Bagder | I have no idea what that is... :-) |
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| 13:10:20 | petur | not that it matters of course... |
| 13:10:29 | Bagder | no, it's not a big loss |
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| 13:18:17 | pixelma | hmm... I noticed that the 2 target build which don't have a green delta in the last commit (OndioSP and Player) were done by the palmtopia.de server (and the download zips are 1 revision behind for the OndioSP and 2 for the player with the previous build done by palmtopia too) - still issues with transferring the zips back? |
| 13:18:42 | Bagder | I'll check the logs |
| 13:19:20 | Bagder | "Warning: couldn't get zip from rbclient@palmtopia.de/build-ondiosp" |
| 13:19:49 | Bagder | it _could_ be the problem B-] |
| 13:20:02 | pixelma | really? ;) |
| 13:20:18 | Bagder | -bash: zip: command not found |
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| 15:10:08 | DefineByte | is -58dB supposed to equal silence on Ipod Video? |
| 15:14:56 | DefineByte | it's like an on/off switch going from -57dB to -58dB. You even get a slight popping sound. |
| 15:16:07 | markun | DefineByte: probably. Maybe it should be called -inf |
| 15:16:26 | DefineByte | it seems a bit silly having it there x) |
| 15:16:34 | DefineByte | might as well stop at -57 |
| 15:17:30 | DefineByte | or relabel it 'off'. |
| 15:20:34 | markun | I think I would prefer stop at -57 |
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| 15:20:47 | markun | what good is muting when you can pause or stop playback |
| 15:20:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Morning, everyone! |
| 15:21:00 | krazykit | LambdaCalculus37, the karma is in the mail :) |
| 15:21:14 | markun | morning LambdaCalculus37 |
| 15:21:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | krazykit: I'll let you know when it arrives. |
| 15:21:21 | DefineByte | I don't know, but most things have a mute. |
| 15:21:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: Good morning! |
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| 15:24:16 | markun | DefineByte: but can you think of a situation where you would use it? |
| 15:25:04 | DefineByte | I wouldn't use it personally and I can't think of a reason why anyone would. |
| 15:25:37 | DefineByte | but still, it's there at the moment mislabelled as -58dB. |
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| 15:26:03 | DefineByte | Do any other targets exhibit the same behaviour? |
| 15:26:30 | markun | probably. Best is it check the datasheets and the code. |
| 15:27:13 | markun | when I change the volume to -74 on my Gigabeat a mute icon is displayed in the status bar |
| 15:27:34 | markun | at -74 I can still hear my music |
| 15:27:41 | markun | eh, -73 |
| 15:27:49 | markun | at -74 it's completely silent |
| 15:29:07 | DefineByte | Hmm, I don't show the status bar. maybe the Ipod Video does the same. |
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| 15:29:40 | DefineByte | plus i don't have my ipod handy at the mo. |
| 15:30:11 | markun | can you see the statusbar in the settings menu? |
| 15:30:18 | markun | there you can also change the volume |
| 15:30:43 | DefineByte | yes, I have it on in the menus. I'll get my Ipod. :) |
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| 15:31:44 | markun | ah sorry, I thought your ipod video was your seconds player :) |
| 15:31:46 | DefineByte | I get a mute icon too. |
| 15:32:35 | DefineByte | so it is supposed to be mute. It's just displayed incorrectly in the WPS. |
| 15:32:45 | markun | I think we'll have to ask the 'old' guys what they think about removing it |
| 15:32:47 | DefineByte | and the settings menu I guess. |
| 15:33:07 | DefineByte | yeah. :) |
| 15:33:58 | preglow | remove what? |
| 15:34:45 | DefineByte | either remove mute or display it correctly in the menus and WPS. |
| 15:35:30 | markun | preglow: ah, you are one of the old guys, right? ;) |
| 15:35:36 | preglow | the better way would be to handle mute properly |
| 15:35:46 | preglow | markun: can't say i consider myself one, no, just curious :) |
| 15:36:31 | markun | preglow: so a separate mute setting in the sound settings menu? |
| 15:36:56 | preglow | hmm, the best way, if you ask me, would be making the last volume entry "mute" or something like that, but i don't think the settings system will like that... |
| 15:37:28 | preglow | a mute setting seems kind of overkill to me, if you want something like a mute function, you want it to be quickly accessible, not something you have to dig through a menu to find |
| 15:37:56 | linuxstb | pause is good enough for me... |
| 15:38:00 | preglow | me too :) |
| 15:38:19 | DefineByte | i don't think anyone's come up with a reason for mute yet |
| 15:38:27 | DefineByte | but there it is. :) |
| 15:38:34 | preglow | but yeah, there's still the point that the last volume entry is in practice mute, and the db setting it says |
| 15:38:45 | preglow | and NOT the db setting it says... |
| 15:39:14 | n1s | preglow: is that true for all our targets? |
| 15:39:16 | preglow | so i guess we could just gut that last step out if we're really going for consistency |
| 15:39:21 | preglow | n1s: i'm pretty sure it is |
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| 15:40:05 | linuxstb | Seems the problem is that the WPS has the %pv tag, which returns the current volume in dB. So for "mute" it returns a dB value... |
| 15:40:08 | preglow | it is for some, though, so we might as well agree how we want it |
| 15:40:23 | preglow | linuxstb: we could just not allow that last muted volume step |
| 15:40:29 | preglow | linuxstb: then the wps would never have to display it |
| 15:40:34 | DefineByte | the settings menu displays the dB too. |
| 15:41:13 | linuxstb | preglow: That would work, but mean we lose a (possibly useful) setting... |
| 15:41:21 | preglow | indeed |
| 15:41:36 | preglow | i'd like for it to still be there |
| 15:41:58 | markun | preglow: maybe people who want to play with mute also don't want to change the volume all the time |
| 15:42:12 | preglow | markun: but like linuxstb says, we just don't pause? |
| 15:42:20 | preglow | there's no real reason for a separate mute setting |
| 15:42:30 | preglow | we/why ... |
| 15:42:40 | * | preglow punches his language centre |
| 15:42:42 | DefineByte | it's probably just there because everyone else does it. |
| 15:42:52 | preglow | does everyone else do it? |
| 15:42:59 | DefineByte | and everyone else has it because it's always been there |
| 15:43:00 | preglow | i can't remember ever seeing a mute function on an mp3 player |
| 15:43:11 | DefineByte | and it's always been there because... who know |
| 15:43:13 | DefineByte | i think so |
| 15:43:32 | preglow | as far as i can remember, mute has always been either pause or lowest volume step on mp3 players |
| 15:43:38 | preglow | but then again, i haven't seen all of them |
| 15:43:38 | DefineByte | hmm, I'll have to check the stock firmware. Never used it. xD |
| 15:44:21 | pixelma | the Sansa OF also has mute as lowest volume setting and still plays the music (IIRC) |
| 15:44:34 | DefineByte | Just remembered I don't have any music in the Ipod's database so testing it might be a bit hard. >.> |
| 15:44:35 | markun | preglow: well, I said before that I think the mute option is useless because we have mute. I though you were they one who wanted to keep it? |
| 15:44:47 | markun | ... because we have pause :) |
| 15:45:06 | linuxstb | We don't have pause in the radio though... |
| 15:45:07 | DefineByte | and 'pause' is quicker to get to. |
| 15:45:13 | DefineByte | ah |
| 15:45:45 | linuxstb | But I guess you can just leave the radio screen. |
| 15:45:49 | DefineByte | I guess you could have pause but that would be a whole 'nother feature |
| 15:46:35 | DefineByte | i.e. hit pause, begin saving to disk, unpause, begin playing from disk. |
| 15:46:39 | preglow | anywho, i don't want a mute setting, but i'd still like the last volume step to be mute, but it would also be cool if it being so was more apparent |
| 15:46:45 | preglow | and i can't be bothered to code it :) |
| 15:47:22 | pixelma | linuxstb: you could use %?pv as conditional - the first position in the enum is a special condition for mute and the last 2 are line and above line level |
| 15:47:54 | pixelma | radio has a button for mute (except on OndioFM) |
| 15:48:18 | DefineByte | the WPS isn't the only thing displaying it incorrectly. |
| 15:51:08 | amiconn | The lowest volume step 'mute' *is* displayed with a special icon in the status bar |
| 15:52:34 | DefineByte | so whoever coded the status bar thought of it. :D |
| 15:53:23 | amiconn | Yes, and that was ages ago... |
| 15:55:54 | linuxstb | pixelma: But does that help if you want to display it numerically? i.e. Mute, -72dB, -71dB etc |
| 15:56:30 | n1s | anyone sitting on tips on how to convince gcc to save .i files, using -save-temps I get only .s files despite what the documentation says... |
| 15:57:21 | pixelma | linuxstb: wanted to test if you can do something like %?pv<mute|%pv|line level|above line level> or something like that |
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| 16:04:05 | pixelma | answer: yes you can... |
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| 16:08:41 | n1s | yay. did it :) |
| 16:09:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | (And there was much rejoicing... yaaay yaaaay...) |
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| 16:31:25 | Loki | Hey! I have a question, I just installed rockbox on my ipod, and It booted rockbox fine the first time, it built it's DB off what was on there and said it needed to be restarted, so I hold down play until it shuts off, now It is not turning back on |
| 16:32:36 | DogBoy | so what's the question |
| 16:32:58 | Loki | It is not turning on, so I am trying to figure out why |
| 16:33:24 | linuxstb | Try holding MENU+SELECT for a few seconds - ipods sometimes don't like to turn back on... |
| 16:34:13 | Loki | Oh there we go, linuxstb thank you. |
| 16:34:22 | Loki | I tried holding Menu, then Select |
| 16:34:31 | Loki | but i guess not together. |
| 16:34:39 | nicktastique | \o/ |
| 16:35:10 | markun | hi nicktastique |
| 16:35:52 | Loki | wow |
| 16:35:54 | Loki | Thank |
| 16:35:55 | Loki | s |
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| 16:42:22 | nicktastique | hey markun |
| 16:42:46 | nicktastique | hey kugel |
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| 16:42:56 | nicktastique | any luck with that patch? |
| 16:43:46 | n1s | amiconn: it turns out the asm line I posted the other day is indeed invalid and that the bug is in gcc, I reported it now so let's hope they fix it before releasing 4.3 |
| 16:44:14 | preglow | what target? |
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| 16:45:12 | n1s | preglow: (if that was for me) m68k-elf |
| 16:45:24 | preglow | hmm, what code? |
| 16:45:43 | amiconn | gcc 4.3 produces an instruction which is not valid for coldfire v2 |
| 16:45:43 | n1s | move.l (%a2,%a0.l*4),76(%sp) |
| 16:45:54 | preglow | yeah, that's not valid |
| 16:46:06 | preglow | how did you make it produce that? |
| 16:46:11 | preglow | 4.3? |
| 16:46:19 | n1s | happens in Tremor with -O2 or higher, yeah with 4.3 |
| 16:46:31 | preglow | if you want that fixed by 4.3, you really need to push hard for it |
| 16:46:42 | preglow | won't be long until 4.3 is released now, i think |
| 16:47:11 | n1s | yeah they will probably release an rc in early feb so it might be too late... |
| 16:47:28 | preglow | if you tickle the right people, it might work |
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| 16:47:32 | preglow | find the people who did the cf work :) |
| 16:47:53 | n1s | preglow: any tips on where I would find them? |
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| 16:49:34 | preglow | This work was contributed by Nathan Sidwell of CodeSourcery and others. |
| 16:50:14 | n1s | preglow: thanks, other than that, libmad fails with O2 or higher too with "error: ‘asm’ operand has impossible constraints" |
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| 16:50:27 | preglow | well, shit, i had high hopes for this release |
| 16:50:43 | preglow | have you found what code makes it choke? |
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| 16:50:49 | preglow | n1s: what file, btw? |
| 16:50:51 | preglow | synth.c ? |
| 16:51:00 | n1s | synth.c line 623 and 724 |
| 16:51:10 | * | amiconn never has high hopes for a gcc release |
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| 16:51:38 | amiconn | Not anymore, that is |
| 16:51:47 | preglow | amiconn: i'm starting to feel the same way... |
| 16:51:51 | preglow | n1s: yeah, i expected that |
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| 16:52:01 | preglow | that entire thing should be rewritten in asm |
| 16:52:15 | preglow | so we don't have to rely on gcc venting the register pressure for us |
| 16:52:17 | preglow | it's not good at it |
| 16:53:00 | preglow | it's one of the first rockbox related things i did, wasn't very good with asm at the time :/ |
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| 17:04:53 | markun | forums down? |
| 17:05:27 | thgz | yes |
| 17:05:30 | thgz | seem like it's down |
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| 17:05:46 | n1s | preglow: ok, sent off a mail to Nathan Sidwell, now to wait and see |
| 17:06:22 | thgz | Btw, having again some .voice creation problems on cygwin... |
| 17:07:20 | thgz | The process is going ok when building an English voice (the resulting file is 927 kb), but when I try to build a finnish voice, the resulting file's size varies between 5-50 kb... |
| 17:07:56 | thgz | Have reinstalled cygwin with rb packages and downloaded the latest build. I'm compiling for Sansa e200 |
| 17:09:57 | thgz | Next I try the process with a completed lang (eg danish) and check the size... |
| 17:09:58 | preglow | n1s: good :) |
| 17:10:40 | thgz | And one more note: The process with english suckeeds only if I run "make veryclean" before "make voice" |
| 17:13:24 | thgz | Eh... Of course I can't; I haven't an equival sapi5 voice for that |
| 17:14:20 | thgz | *don't have |
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| 17:31:03 | kugel | nicktastique: hey, I downloaded the needed packages yesterday and could compile the manual |
| 17:33:02 | nicktastique | kugel, Huzzah! |
| 17:33:31 | kugel | nicktastique: there was indeed a bit more missing than I expected :) |
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| 17:57:24 | * | GodEater prods at pondlife |
| 17:57:41 | pondlife | Hello? |
| 17:57:49 | GodEater | new VM image for you to try |
| 17:57:53 | GodEater | same place as last time |
| 17:57:54 | pondlife | Cool |
| 17:58:02 | GodEater | this one has the vmtools installed |
| 17:58:03 | pondlife | Remind me... |
| 17:58:11 | GodEater | humyo.com ? |
| 17:58:23 | GodEater | the vmtools should hopefully fix the networking issue |
| 17:58:30 | pondlife | Yep, I knew it was another .com with a non-word name |
| 17:59:20 | GodEater | in any case - I'll be pootling off home shortly |
| 17:59:27 | pondlife | OK |
| 17:59:31 | GodEater | so you can let me know later on how it goes :) |
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| 18:00:02 | GodEater | btw - linuxstb and I are trying to organise another pub night |
| 18:00:04 | GodEater | you keen ? |
| 18:00:09 | pondlife | Of course |
| 18:00:35 | pondlife | Any dates proposed yet? |
| 18:00:41 | GodEater | noe |
| 18:00:47 | GodEater | you're the tricky one as I recall |
| 18:00:49 | GodEater | we don't care :) |
| 18:00:51 | * | pondlife won't propose a date in case he's forced to then change his mind again |
| 18:00:53 | GodEater | so you propose a date :) |
| 18:01:14 | pondlife | Well, I'm going to the Battersea Beer Festival in a week or so |
| 18:01:22 | pondlife | Probably not your scene though ;) |
| 18:01:27 | GodEater | Battersea has it's own beer festival ? |
| 18:01:34 | rasher | GodEater: what does your vm image intend to do? |
| 18:01:35 | pondlife | A little one |
| 18:01:47 | * | pondlife awaits petur |
| 18:01:51 | GodEater | make pondlife's life easier :) |
| 18:01:59 | * | linuxstb googles for the battersea beer festival |
| 18:02:15 | GodEater | it's a RB dev environment, with openssh server installed |
| 18:02:20 | pondlife | The idea is to increase the number of build servers |
| 18:02:23 | GodEater | so it can be run as a build server |
| 18:02:28 | GodEater | and also as a dev env. |
| 18:02:39 | GodEater | it's currently in it's experimental stage :) |
| 18:02:50 | pondlife | I already have a dev env, but a Windows build server is a scary thing.. |
| 18:03:07 | GodEater | obviously the dev env bit isn't required for you |
| 18:03:10 | GodEater | but others might like it |
| 18:03:15 | GodEater | right |
| 18:03:17 | GodEater | home time for me |
| 18:03:19 | rasher | Mine is a pure buildserver |
| 18:03:19 | GodEater | later chaps |
| 18:03:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | Good night, GodEater! |
| 18:03:41 | rasher | Trying to get it as trimmed down as possible |
| 18:04:21 | rasher | There's some setup time though, as it doesn't come with the build tools pre-installed |
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| 18:04:33 | rasher | Built automatically on first login though |
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| 19:24:56 | triconda | I have a first gen iPod video that the screen's fubar on.. giving auto install & rockbox a whirl.. |
| 19:25:03 | triconda | guessing playlists is fun but.. ugh. |
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| 19:25:49 | Domonoky | triconda: you could use the voice ui to navigate rockbox with a broken screen :-) |
| 19:25:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | triconda: You know you can make Rockbox speak for you, right? |
| 19:26:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto |
| 19:27:06 | triconda | LambdaCalculus37: that's why I chose rockbox to begin with :) |
| 19:27:13 | triconda | I mean, I miss out on games, but w/e |
| 19:28:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | triconda: If you also want to repair your iPod at a later date, try these guys: http://www.ifixit.com |
| 19:28:19 | triconda | ty ty. |
| 19:29:04 | triconda | I swear, apple's got you boatanchored to a warrenty if it's damaged it's a no-go |
| 19:33:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | No, not really. |
| 19:34:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Apple happily fixed my sister's (now mine) 4G color when the original hard drive crashed spectacularly on her. |
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| 19:39:45 | triconda | I had a 3rd gen before (I think? it was ages ago.) and the hd crashed something amazing. |
| 19:39:50 | triconda | only had a 1 year warrenty.. |
| 19:40:01 | triconda | but in it's last days it thought it was a 1TB HD. |
| 19:40:15 | triconda | I just stared at the info in explorer.. should've screen capped, lol. |
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| 19:57:41 | Horscht | Forums down? |
| 19:57:54 | karashata | yep |
| 19:57:57 | PaulJam | for me too. |
| 19:58:12 | Horscht | k, not my ISP then. thanks |
| 19:58:30 | PaulJam | misticriver.net doesn't even resolve to an IP adress. |
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| 20:00:11 | Horscht | arent the forums on forums.rockbox.org? |
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| 20:00:43 | bluebrother | the forums are hosted by Jeff of misticriver |
| 20:01:18 | Horscht | ah, i see |
| 20:01:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | They've been down most of the day. |
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| 20:29:20 | DerPapst | bon soir :-) |
| 20:30:05 | DerPapst | if i declare a viewport... what are the xmargin and ymargin values for? |
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| 20:36:55 | gevaerts | Does anyone know the status of software UMS support ? All I can find is that it is not done yet, but a bit more detail would be useful. |
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| 20:39:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevarts: As it stands, all supported PortalPlayer targets (iPod, Sansa, iriver H10) can only charge through USB. Windows will detect the device as "Rockbox Media Player", but you still can't transfer files to your device via Rockbox. |
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| 20:40:12 | amiconn | That's not entirely correct |
| 20:40:13 | nardul | msg nickserv identify kasper |
| 20:40:18 | nardul | eh |
| 20:40:30 | rasher | nardul: better change your password quick |
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| 20:40:44 | nardul | rasher, 1, i'm not sure how, 2 it's not really a problem :P |
| 20:40:49 | * | LambdaCalculus37 allows amiconn to explain it better |
| 20:40:51 | amiconn | All ipods can also charge via firewire, even those not supporting firewire for data transfer, and even if rockbox doesn't display that it charges |
| 20:41:15 | rasher | nardul: /msg nickserv set password newpass |
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| 20:41:19 | amiconn | And the 1st+2nd Gen can of *not* charge via usb of course.... |
| 20:41:39 | amiconn | (as they don't have usb at all) |
| 20:42:25 | nardul | Does anyone know why my ipod suddenly cannot resume bookmarks properly? It does not go to the appropriate time, it simple goes to the beginning of the file? |
| 20:42:45 | nardul | Any why if an audio file is already playing i have to load a bookmark twice. |
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| 20:44:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Many thanks for the explanation. :) |
| 20:44:03 | nardul | And yes, i did update rockbox. |
| 20:44:17 | tmp121 | i'm unable to access the rb forums (server times out), so i couldn't search, but... what's the status of sansa "v2" support −− is it being actively worked on atm? |
| 20:44:35 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37, amiconn : I understood that much. What I actually wanted to know is : the new USB stack has a WIP storage driver (usb_storage.c), but it is not clear what needs to be done to finish it. I might work on it, but I'd like a bit more information about the current status first. |
| 20:45:32 | Lear | nardul: what file format are you bookmarking? |
| 20:45:52 | nardul | lear .mp3 |
| 20:46:04 | pixelma | it wouldn't surprise me if that was the same problem as with resuming that's there currently... |
| 20:46:08 | Lear | nardul: Now that should work. And does work fine for me... |
| 20:46:33 | nardul | Lear, afaik it's worked fine for me aswell. That's what's weird. |
| 20:46:47 | rasher | gevaerts: There's something on the wiki, and other than that, Zagor / Björn Stenberg is the one you want |
| 20:47:10 | Lear | nardul: When did the problem begin? |
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| 20:47:50 | nardul | Lear, A couple of days ago when i updated Rockbox |
| 20:48:03 | * | Lear is currently using a build that is over a week old... |
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| 20:48:29 | nardul | Lear, i just updated again. It's the same. |
| 20:48:31 | Lear | From which to which revision? Or which daily build, if you know that. |
| 20:49:01 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20080129#00:23:26 and following, interestingly I changed a bit in my WPS today and since then it's working but probably the nature of race conditions... |
| 20:49:11 | nardul | Lear, daily build, Version: r16181-080129 |
| 20:50:59 | Lear | From version is of more interest, actually... :) |
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| 20:53:25 | nardul | Lear, ah, sorry, Rockbox 30gb version |
| 20:53:31 | nardul | Lear, 5.5gen' |
| 20:54:03 | Lear | No, I mean the last daily build that you used which didn't show the problem. |
| 20:54:29 | Lear | (As in updated from version to version y...) |
| 20:55:04 | gevaerts | rasher: I didn't find any up-to-date stuff on the wiki. The only information I can find about the code status is FS #7962. I'll try asking on the mailing list. |
| 20:55:31 | nardul | Lear, I really can't say. I'm sorry. It's a while since i updated. |
| 20:56:43 | Lear | If you feel like trying a couple of builds, I'd suggest Jan 18 and Jan 19. I saw some problems in the Jan 19 version (which is why I'm running a slightly old build.) |
| 20:56:44 | rasher | gevaerts: eh, I meant flyspray, yes |
| 20:57:59 | nardul | Lear, Shouldn't be a problem. I had some weird errors today aswell about unfinished rockbox installation which puzzled me alot. I've had some bad blocks problems, but it doesn't seem to be that. |
| 20:58:04 | nardul | Lear, But thanks |
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| 21:00:41 | pixelma | Lear: just digging in the mailing list - you thought your "buffering strangeness" was related to the strip extension commit? Just asking because the commit I was referring to this night was right after that... |
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| 21:02:01 | pixelma | my testing yesterday showed that the problem began with r16105 and revision 16104 worked fine |
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| 21:07:54 | Lear | pixelma: Not really. When I wrote that I only knew that jan 18 build worked fine, and the 19 build was not. But I had noticed that buffer overflow possibility, so I mentioned that too. |
| 21:08:09 | Lear | Later I tested 16104 too, and found it working well too. |
| 21:08:19 | Lear | Good to have the problem confirmed though. :) |
| 21:09:36 | Lear | (But I should commit my fix to strip_extension...) |
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| 21:23:18 | julle- | Why is my videos lagging on my ipod video 30gb. i tried the mpegplayer which is installed |
| 21:23:33 | julle- | i tried with an elephant's dream which is the reference movie on your site. |
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| 21:23:49 | Horscht | have you also seen the reference FPS? |
| 21:24:21 | julle- | i also encoded a movie using WinFF and your recommended presets.xml |
| 21:24:34 | Horscht | mpegplayer port does not utilize the Video decoder chip of the ipod |
| 21:24:36 | PaulJam | julle-: have you cahnged any of the settings? Limit FPS and Skip Frames should be enabled. |
| 21:24:38 | julle- | Horscht 22fps/s is what i got from reference |
| 21:24:59 | julle- | PaulJam ahaa okey i haven't turned that on. |
| 21:25:56 | DerPapst | any viewports experts around |
| 21:25:58 | DerPapst | ? |
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| 21:26:51 | PaulJam | julle-: btw, on an ipod video i would recommend to use the apple firmware to watch movies, mpegplayer has a bad performance in this target. |
| 21:27:59 | julle- | hmm yeah, thats bad that its not working properly. :( |
| 21:28:30 | julle- | To enlarge the size of the font, is there a way to do so? |
| 21:28:41 | PaulJam | chosse a larger font. |
| 21:28:51 | DerPapst | If i make a new viewport and in this viewport i want to display a menu, made with macro magic (MENUITEM_STRINGLIST) it shows up fine. But the selectionbar isn't what the user has defined. It's light blue and the text on the selectionbar is then invisibe. |
| 21:29:14 | julle- | what is the default size? |
| 21:29:15 | DerPapst | which is kinda bad... |
| 21:30:15 | DerPapst | do i have to change stuff in the declaration of the viewport? |
| 21:30:26 | PaulJam | julle-: i think the default font has a size of 6x8. have you installed the fonts package? |
| 21:30:30 | nardul | Lear, I just tried the 18th january build and i can resume as i could before. But it still fails if theres something playing. Any solution to that? |
| 21:30:42 | DerPapst | and what are all those .*_pattern thingys for? |
| 21:30:46 | julle- | PaulJam yes i have |
| 21:32:12 | BigBambi | Then select a different one |
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| 21:32:39 | julle- | done, thanks |
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| 21:38:24 | Lear | nardul: Not really. I think that is an older bug, perhaps from when metadata-on-buffer was implemented... |
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| 21:39:55 | nardul | Lear, Okay then. Not that that means anything to me :) . Was just wondering if there were any tips. |
| 21:40:53 | Lear | nardul: I have one idea that could be worth trying, but it requires coding... |
| 21:41:30 | nardul | Lear, I'm afraid i'm a bit beyond complete noob in coding. well, not really, but nowhere near anythong important i'm afraid |
| 21:43:19 | DerPapst | viewport experts: ok, i now know what these lss lse and lst patterns are for. But if i declare the viewport with LCD_DEFAULT_BG for all these 3 values it doesn't use what the user uses in hir settings. |
| 21:43:53 | DerPapst | all 3 values are set to light blue by default |
| 21:44:02 | julle- | what is the best features on the rockbox do you guys think? i'm just curious incase i've forgot something useful or cool :D |
| 21:45:26 | DerPapst | the very incomplete documented plugin api? *cough* |
| 21:45:28 | * | DerPapst runs |
| 21:46:03 | * | nardul runs after DerPapst with one shoe on his foot, and one in his hand! |
| 21:46:18 | nardul | Or something |
| 21:46:23 | nardul | Sudoku is pretty cool |
| 21:46:31 | nardul | The massive amounts of plugins |
| 21:46:38 | BigBambi | julle-: I suggest reading the manual |
| 21:46:40 | DerPapst | but i'll figure it out with looking at other plugins and asking lots of question... :-P |
| 21:47:15 | nardul | I integrate it with bashscripts and download podcasts, Which works great. |
| 21:47:52 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Are you using plain SVN Rockbox, or the list-in-viewport patch (FS #8457) ? |
| 21:49:02 | julle- | nardul yeah podcasts would be great to have. is bashscripting essential to get it to work? |
| 21:49:12 | DerPapst | linuxstb: svn |
| 21:50:31 | julle- | I am amazed by this project and so happy that there all these great people who made this possible! i mean FLAC on the ipod and all the advanced sound features is just stunning. this software made the ipod worth a whole lot more :) So thank you! |
| 21:51:01 | PaulJam | julle-: podcasts are just normal audio files, so you can choose whatever method you prefer to get the files on you player |
| 21:51:41 | julle- | PaulJam hehe that is very true, forgot that :D not been using my ipod for a while until today! |
| 21:53:02 | linuxstb | DerPapst: You may want to look at FS #8457 then... Although it doesn't appear to do what you want - allow the caller of the list widget to specify the viewport. It just uses a single global settings for all lists. |
| 21:53:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Going now... good night! |
| 21:53:56 | linuxstb | DerPapst: It's not as simple as just settings a viewport - the menu code will think it's drawing onto a full-screen sized window. |
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| 21:54:25 | DerPapst | A single global setting for all list would be ok. But for now i think i just define my own colors. |
| 21:54:55 | linuxstb | You can get the user's settings via global_settings.lse_color (etc) |
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| 21:55:14 | DerPapst | linuxstb: my mini example works fine so far except with the colour issues of the selection bar. |
| 21:55:17 | DerPapst | oh |
| 21:55:21 | DerPapst | neat.. |
| 21:55:24 | * | DerPapst tries |
| 21:55:43 | linuxstb | I'm guessing your menu items don't scroll in any direction? |
| 21:56:00 | DerPapst | no.. they're pretty short |
| 21:57:08 | DerPapst | haven't even botherd supporting all the other targets for now. but the strings should fit on any bitmap lcd. |
| 21:57:47 | linuxstb | We have some targets with small LCDs... |
| 21:58:24 | rasher | And large fonts.. |
| 21:58:30 | * | DerPapst checks the wiki for screen resolutions |
| 21:58:32 | pixelma | the user can have a big font set - if you use the user font |
| 21:58:54 | DerPapst | i think i'll force the sysfont |
| 21:59:02 | rasher | Nasty |
| 21:59:05 | * | linuxstb slaps DerPapst |
| 21:59:10 | DerPapst | i don't care :-P |
| 21:59:27 | DerPapst | it's more for fun. |
| 21:59:41 | DerPapst | *ill think about usabillty if i want to see it in SVN |
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| 22:00:51 | DerPapst | for now it's just try and error. and lots of plugins use the sysfont, so my plugin isn't an exception ;-) |
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| 22:02:09 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Sure, I'm just saying that what you're doing shouldn't work, and probably won't work in the future... |
| 22:02:32 | linuxstb | i.e. the list widget should be setting it's viewports, not you. |
| 22:02:36 | linuxstb | s/'// |
| 22:03:03 | * | linuxstb prods JdGordon |
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| 22:04:00 | DerPapst | mmhm.. i only wanted to avoid implementing my own menu code like e.g. jewels does |
| 22:04:46 | DerPapst | because i display a graphic at the top and below that the menu. |
| 22:05:04 | DerPapst | and i though it would be the easiest to use vieports for that. |
| 22:05:07 | DerPapst | :-) |
| 22:05:35 | * | DerPapst wonders... are there any larger fonts then nimbus 19? |
| 22:06:14 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Sadly the code isn't there yet for that... |
| 22:06:34 | linuxstb | We need FS #8457 to be finished and committed. |
| 22:06:43 | DerPapst | that would be FS #8457 then? |
| 22:06:48 | DerPapst | heh |
| 22:06:49 | DerPapst | ok |
| 22:06:52 | rasher | DerPapst: plenty |
| 22:07:56 | DerPapst | i guess i'll leave it as it is now and if i'm really bored i'll implement my own menu code (riped off from jewels or so ;-)) |
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| 22:09:55 | pixelma | aren't there some plugins that use standard menus (sudoku or chopper or so)? |
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| 22:10:37 | linuxstb | I thought most do now. Apart from maybe the "opening screen" - things like brickmania |
| 22:10:59 | DerPapst | they do, but the menu starts at 0,0 and they don't have an own "Backdrop" |
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| 22:12:16 | linuxstb | If you fix 8457, you can then fix all the plugins to have nice menus ;) |
| 22:13:07 | DerPapst | nah.. i'll better leave that to the pros... otherwise rockbox will end up with too much bloat and bugs :-P |
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| 22:14:30 | XavierGr | what happened on the forums, I get a database error on all pages... :\ |
| 22:15:37 | DerPapst | maybe someone was sick of all those support questions and droped all tables? |
| 22:15:56 | qwedsa | is rocbox compiling fine whit gcc 3.4.6? |
| 22:16:08 | linuxstb | For which CPU? |
| 22:16:24 | qwedsa | coldfire |
| 22:16:28 | n1s | yup |
| 22:16:35 | qwedsa | ok thanks |
| 22:16:48 | linuxstb | 3.4.6 is the recommended version for Coldfire. |
| 22:17:35 | qwedsa | ok because wiki sais 3.4.5 in the gentoo grossdev section, but thats of the tree |
| 22:18:21 | linuxstb | Those gentoo instructions should possibly be removed - they cause various problems. We would recommend running the rockboxdev.sh script instead. |
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| 22:19:19 | qwedsa | ok linuxstb, will try that one then :) |
| 22:19:56 | julle- | super mario bros on rockbox is that possible? |
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| 22:20:05 | n1s | heh, the © at the bottom of each wikipage says 1999-2006, might be time to update :) |
| 22:20:34 | * | JdGordon|w prods linuxstb in the eye with a stick :p |
| 22:20:50 | DerPapst | linuxstb: i'Ve made a huuuuge string for a menu option and used nimbus 19 and it scrolls fine. |
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| 22:21:08 | JdGordon|wrk | arg |
| 22:21:49 | linuxstb | DerPapst: OK, but I think you'll have problems if your menu is too tall for the screen. |
| 22:22:00 | linuxstb | I mean too tall for your viewport... |
| 22:22:06 | DerPapst | you mean too many options |
| 22:22:08 | DerPapst | ? |
| 22:22:15 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 22:23:18 | * | DerPapst tries again |
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| 22:23:47 | JdGordon|wrk | linuxstb: ill try and finish the list patch tonight |
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| 22:24:10 | markun | I downloaded a radio program in mp3 to my Gigabeat today. I sound pretty screwed up. I thought something was wrong with the download but it sounds ok on my PC. Will investigate a bit. |
| 22:24:30 | linuxstb | JdGordon|wrk: What about letting the code that calls the list widget specify the viewport? So e.g. plugins can locate their menus where they want to? |
| 22:25:43 | JdGordon|wrk | they can... thats what the parent viewport is for... atm only draw_lists() uses it though, but both will be exported |
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| 22:31:24 | Bagder | rasher: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/rbclient-authorized_keys2 |
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| 22:32:40 | rasher | Bagder: neat, I'll have a 70mb boot-wait-and-go buildserver vm in a minute, then |
| 22:32:55 | Bagder | great! |
| 22:32:57 | rasher | in fact |
| 22:33:01 | rasher | will that file stay there? |
| 22:33:08 | Bagder | sure |
| 22:33:24 | rasher | That way it can just download it from there, so the image won't have to be updated in case the keys change |
| 22:34:10 | scorche` | Bagder: do you happen to know if LinusN has Jeff's email address? |
| 22:34:22 | Bagder | scorche: I'm pretty sure he does |
| 22:34:42 | amiconn | As from what I know about public key cryptography, the public key can be published without problems (hence its name), but users (in this case build server owners) should not use it without verification whether this public key is the correct one |
| 22:35:06 | Llorean | amiconn: That's the theory, yes. |
| 22:35:28 | Bagder | right, since they'll let the owners of the private part login |
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| 22:36:24 | rasher | I'll display the contents of the file, and ask the user to verify it after downloading |
| 22:36:30 | amiconn | Yes, and someone could make another key pair and publish its public part as the 'rbclient' key |
| 22:36:53 | amiconn | This way that person would gain access to the build server(s) which install this key without verification... |
| 22:37:46 | rasher | Assuming they could get that pubkey placed on that URL |
| 22:37:51 | Llorean | Yes |
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| 22:38:01 | Llorean | They'd also have to know which buildservers have installed it. |
| 22:38:09 | Llorean | AND those buildservers would have to not notice that they're not building. |
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| 22:39:25 | JdGordon|w | linuxstb: have you seen the images in the last comment on the list patch? thats because the whole screen isnt cleared anymore, only the parent viewport... what should we do about this? |
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| 22:42:20 | DerPapst | linuxstb: you're right (not that i doubted it ;-)) but since it isn't an issue on the iPod video and e200 for now i'll leave it until said patch is finished and in SVN :-) |
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| 22:42:50 | JdGordon|w | derpapst: whats the issue? |
| 22:45:00 | DerPapst | if i declare a viewport e.g. with half the heigh of the LCD and draw a menu in there the last items might not be shon and i can't scroll down, since the menu coda assumes the full LCD in heigh. |
| 22:45:39 | DerPapst | *height and *shown and *code and *height again |
| 22:45:43 | DerPapst | i rock :-/ |
| 22:46:16 | JdGordon|w | draw a menu how? |
| 22:46:32 | DerPapst | with MENUITEM_STRINGLIST |
| 22:47:33 | DerPapst | and rb->do_menu() |
| 22:48:12 | JdGordon|w | ... can you pop a message to that effect on the tracker? the menu shouldnt be caring about the list size and sounds like a bug |
| 22:49:23 | DerPapst | i'm using plain svn and not FS #8457 |
| 22:50:09 | JdGordon|w | oh... well then duh! :p |
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| 22:51:34 | DerPapst | ;-) should have said that earlier... but eh... |
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| 22:52:39 | rasher | Now compressing what will hopefully be the first release-worthy "Rockbox buildserver vmware vm" |
| 22:57:24 | julle- | isn't there anything i can do to make videos run smoother on my ipod video 30gb with mpegplayer? i've done limit fps, skip frames...? |
| 22:57:54 | DerPapst | figure out how to use the boradcom chip... |
| 22:57:56 | * | DerPapst runs |
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| 22:58:07 | Bagder | or resize it down to a tiny tiny size ;-) |
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| 22:58:52 | JdGordon|w | linuxstb: still around? |
| 22:59:22 | julle- | Bagder i could live with a lesser audio quality. but is that customizatible? |
| 22:59:57 | * | Bagder knows very little about the mpeg plugin |
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| 23:00:18 | DerPapst | iirc it's fixed to 44.1kHz |
| 23:00:51 | Llorean | Audio quality doesn't really affect the iPods for Mpegplayer |
| 23:00:58 | Llorean | The audio is decoded separately from the video, on the other core. |
| 23:01:29 | DerPapst | but maybe you can use less then 128kbps or so. But iirc video and audio decoding don't happen on the same core. so the impact might be very little |
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| 23:01:43 | * | DerPapst is too slow |
| 23:01:47 | DerPapst | as usual |
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| 23:03:17 | julle- | well can i lower the video quality in WinFF? |
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| 23:04:08 | einhirn | I'm tweaking on replaygain for MAS-Based players, trying to apply the new settings earlier after the track change is audible. I tried updating the replaygain settings in an audio_event_handler but I now get "I09:CPUAdrEr at #Memory_adress" - I presume that I destroy the context (registers, stack etc.) from within the Interrupt handler, so how can I save that? |
| 23:04:36 | DerPapst | julle-: iirc the problem is not the video, it's the amount of full LCD updates that can be done with the current LCD driver. |
| 23:05:36 | Llorean | julle-: Your best bet is to just encode at a lower frame rate. 15fps still looks moderately smooth to the human eye, and will decode a lot better than a 30fps video trying to frame skip |
| 23:06:55 | einhirn | (file I'm working on is "firmware/mpeg.c", lines 786, static void transfer end(void) - it calls audio_dispatch_event which in turn calls an event handler that I wrote.) |
| 23:06:59 | amiconn | If only we could use the bcm at least for yuv->rgb conversion... |
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| 23:08:49 | DerPapst | amiconn: has anyone ever tried to disassemble the firmware of the boradcom chip? |
| 23:09:13 | * | DerPapst guesses yes... |
| 23:09:53 | amiconn | I have no idea. |
| 23:10:23 | markun | DerPapst: which instruction set is used? |
| 23:10:27 | amiconn | I don't even know what architecture the bcm uses, if that is known at all |
| 23:10:29 | DerPapst | i thought that one could maybe send calls to that chip. |
| 23:10:45 | DerPapst | eh. i have no idea either |
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| 23:13:35 | julle- | Llorean Thank you very much for that tip! |
| 23:16:41 | markun | anyone interested in an mp3 file which plays fine in mplayer/ffmpeg, but not in madplay/rockbox? |
| 23:17:39 | LinusN | bad crc? |
| 23:18:35 | markun | I get a lot of "lost synchronization" and "Huffman data overrun" in madplay |
| 23:18:38 | julle- | where do i find the rockboy plugin (GNUboy to Rockbox which allows you to play Gameboy games), i've looked in Plugins... |
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| 23:18:46 | n1s | LinusN: I think it's about time to update the © notice in the wiki (footer of every page) :) |
| 23:18:54 | krazykit | julle-, read the manual, please. it will explain. |
| 23:19:17 | markun | LinusN: I remuxed it with ffmpeg and now it plays fine.. |
| 23:19:40 | julle- | krazykit i've been reading the wiki about the plugin. i am reading at the wrong place? |
| 23:19:44 | einhirn | julle-: do you search "rockboy"? |
| 23:20:08 | * | einhirn slaps head - should learn to read |
| 23:20:15 | * | amiconn is quite sure that the viewer concept is explained in the manual |
| 23:20:18 | Llorean | julle-: "Manual" is not the same as "Wiki" |
| 23:21:02 | markun | should be in the wiki as well |
| 23:21:43 | Llorean | markun: The first two lines on the Rockboy page do explain it. "It does not show up in the "Browse Plugins" list." and so on. |
| 23:21:44 | markun | julle-: the first line in the wiki: "It is included in the Rockbox builds and functions as a viewer (you simply select the .gb or .gbc files to launch them). It does not show up in the "Browse Plugins" list." |
| 23:21:48 | LinusN | n1s: better? |
| 23:22:01 | LinusN | markun: interesting |
| 23:22:10 | n1s | LinusN: much :D |
| 23:22:12 | julle- | hehe, thanks for the help on the way to the manual. i knew that i've read it before but couldn't find it again |
| 23:22:33 | markun | LinusN: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/n080128.mp3 |
| 23:23:04 | LinusN | markun: thx |
| 23:24:00 | * | amiconn wonders whether the mas would play it |
| 23:24:10 | markun | LinusN: don't mind the content. It's chinese news in esperanto ;) |
| 23:24:19 | LinusN | :-) |
| 23:24:51 | preglow | n1s: please tell me if you get a reply from the codesourcery guy, btw |
| 23:24:56 | JdGordon|w | is anyone still planning on merging sw/hwcodecs? |
| 23:24:59 | preglow | i'm very interested in gcc 4.3 and coldfire |
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| 23:25:49 | n1s | preglow: I got an automatic response that he's gone for the rest of the week but yeah, I'll tell you if I get anything else |
| 23:25:50 | amiconn | JdGordon: Sure, but the swcodec engine is still far from the robustness of the hwcodec playback engine... |
| 23:26:03 | preglow | n1s: sucks :/ |
| 23:26:12 | linuxstb | markun: If it helps, mpg123 fails as well on your file... |
| 23:26:42 | amiconn | The occasional hard freeze problem is still there. Just got one on H180 last weekend (and had no paperclip with me) :\ |
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| 23:28:15 | rasher | amiconn: it also does a lot less |
| 23:28:21 | rasher | more. |
| 23:28:31 | markun | linuxstb: I wonder if ffmpeg just added some hack to work around files which are broken in the same way |
| 23:28:38 | aggelidis | hi guys can i just learned about rockbox project |
| 23:28:54 | aggelidis | and it seems really amazing.... i would like to ask though |
| 23:29:01 | preglow | go ahead |
| 23:29:10 | aggelidis | if is is possible |
| 23:29:12 | amiconn | markun: mas also has severe problems playing that file. Short bursts of audio separated by muted passages |
| 23:29:21 | aggelidis | to load it on an ipod nano 2nd gen |
| 23:29:23 | markun | I downloaded the file from a streaming server (mms://) maybe that has something to do with it? |
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| 23:29:45 | preglow | aggelidis: nope |
| 23:30:00 | amiconn | Oh, and it ends much earlier that its predicted playing time suggests |
| 23:30:23 | preglow | markun: might be... check the file to see that the metadata hasn't been interleaved in the mp3 data |
| 23:30:30 | aggelidis | does anyone know why this isn't possible? |
| 23:30:41 | preglow | aggelidis: because no one has ported rockbox to it yet |
| 23:30:52 | preglow | aggelidis: and the reason for that is that there is no information on the hardware, and apple have encrypted everything on it |
| 23:30:54 | markun | preglow: any idea how to do that? |
| 23:30:58 | amiconn | rasher: That's no excuse for instability... |
| 23:31:02 | linuxstb | markun: Running "mplayer -dumpaudio" seems to clean the file... |
| 23:31:04 | preglow | markun: xxd? :) |
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| 23:31:29 | linuxstb | markun: It's an ASF file... |
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| 23:31:34 | markun | ah! |
| 23:31:44 | markun | that explains it :) |
| 23:31:45 | aggelidis | preglow: but also apple hasn't released info about the other ipods...{i think..} |
| 23:31:53 | amiconn | mp3 in an asf container?? |
| 23:31:59 | markun | the remuxed file was 170KB smaller |
| 23:32:03 | preglow | aggelidis: correct, but those didn't have such high-grade encryption, so it was possible to figure things out |
| 23:32:14 | aggelidis | ooo i see.. |
| 23:32:15 | preglow | amiconn: why not? that's what containers are for |
| 23:32:43 | preglow | aggelidis: we'd love nothing more than to support them and the newer ipods, but yeah, it's a lot of work and requires expensive equipment |
| 23:32:45 | markun | damn, why didn't I try "file resumo071212.wma" which gives "resumo071212.wma: Microsoft ASF" ... |
| 23:33:35 | aggelidis | i didn't know... |
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| 23:34:06 | BenniBoya | hey, if i want to build the bootloader on linux |
| 23:34:12 | BenniBoya | what build tools do i need' |
| 23:34:18 | linuxstb | Which bootloader? |
| 23:34:24 | BenniBoya | ipod bootloader |
| 23:34:46 | preglow | all the tools you need to build regular rockbox |
| 23:34:46 | n1s | BenniBoya: let rockboxdev.sh do the dirty work for you |
| 23:34:49 | preglow | the bootloader is just a mini rockbox |
| 23:35:00 | n1s | see CrossCompiler wiki page |
| 23:35:12 | BenniBoya | how do i run rockbocdev.sh though? |
| 23:35:17 | linuxstb | BenniBoya: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 23:35:22 | BenniBoya | ty |
| 23:35:50 | pixelma | LinusN: do you have any news about the forum btw.? |
| 23:36:02 | BenniBoya | the ipod rockbox bootloader supports ipodlinux right? |
| 23:36:18 | LinusN | pixelma: is ir broken again? |
| 23:36:18 | einhirn | LinusN or amiconn - can you tell me how to call "functions that do very much" safely from within an Interrupt handler on the Archos Recorder? |
| 23:36:39 | pixelma | yes, for a few hours already |
| 23:36:49 | preglow | LinusN: perhaps it'd be wise to host the forums ourselves? |
| 23:36:52 | LinusN | but i fixed that an hour ago |
| 23:37:00 | preglow | i don't think the maintainance overhead is too big |
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| 23:37:21 | amiconn | einhirn: isrs should never do very much. |
| 23:37:43 | pixelma | LinusN: still can't access it |
| 23:37:45 | einhirn | amiconn: isrs? |
| 23:37:53 | amiconn | interrupt service routines |
| 23:37:57 | scorche|w | LinusN: do you think you could gently ask Jeff how much BW the forums use?...i have been thinking about hosting them depending on the BW usage |
| 23:38:05 | * | Bagder can read the forum fine |
| 23:38:08 | JdGordon|w | yay.. forums are bakc |
| 23:38:11 | * | scorche|w can too now |
| 23:38:29 | amiconn | If you need to do things that take longer than a few milliseconds (at maximum) the isr should just post an event to a queue, and a thread should do the time consuming stuff |
| 23:38:57 | LinusN | scorche|w: sure |
| 23:39:18 | LinusN | pixelma: you seem to be the only one that can't access the forum |
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| 23:39:37 | Llorean | I couldn't get to it for hours, but it seems to be okay now, for the moment |
| 23:39:43 | LinusN | pixelma: perhaps the failure is still in your browser cache? |
| 23:39:49 | amiconn | The greyscale library is already an edge case - it spends more than 50% of the whole cpu time in an isr (for fullscreen) |
| 23:39:56 | amiconn | On archos, that is |
| 23:40:38 | BenniBoya | hey hoq big are the rockbox build tools once installed? |
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| 23:41:04 | Bagder | for arm, some ~60MB |
| 23:41:17 | BenniBoya | do i need build essentials |
| 23:41:22 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:41:33 | BenniBoya | im using a debian based distrib called pendrivelinux' |
| 23:41:35 | BenniBoya | oh ok |
| 23:41:37 | linuxstb | They're essential... |
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| 23:41:40 | BenniBoya | lol |
| 23:41:49 | BenniBoya | so apt-get install buildessentials? |
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| 23:42:08 | krazykit | BigBambi, build-essential, i believe it's called |
| 23:42:13 | BenniBoya | ok ty |
| 23:42:16 | BigBambi | eh? |
| 23:42:19 | rasher | Actually you don't need dpkg-dev or g++ |
| 23:42:23 | rasher | (which is in build-essential) |
| 23:42:27 | Bagder | isn't all this already mentioned in the wiki page? |
| 23:42:29 | scorche|w | BigBambi: misfire, looks like |
| 23:42:32 | einhirn | amiconn: Hmmk, if you look into firmware/mpeg.c at line 804, there is a call to "audio_dispatch_event" - I wanted to use that mechanism to apply new replaygain settings after a track change - but as I wrote, I now get "I09:CPUAdrEr at #adress" |
| 23:42:33 | BigBambi | ah |
| 23:42:35 | krazykit | BigBambi, tab completion craziness |
| 23:43:03 | BigBambi | I arrive and immediately receive some build-essential style advice. Appreciated, but ... :) |
| 23:43:05 | BenniBoya | if i had a persistant partion of 100mb, would that be enough for the build tools and stuff? |
| 23:43:05 | einhirn | amiconn: Seems like I either take to long, or destroy some register, stack etc... |
| 23:43:09 | LinusN | einhirn: that could be anything |
| 23:43:27 | amiconn | Or you're just doing illegal addressing somehow |
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| 23:43:57 | amiconn | The address is usually very helpful for finding the problem, if it is consistent |
| 23:44:04 | einhirn | amiconn: If I "actively" - ie. press the next track button - change the track, it doesn't crash... |
| 23:44:21 | pixelma | LinusN: ok sorry, the error was here - solved now :\ |
| 23:44:23 | BenniBoya | rockbox is writen in c right? |
| 23:44:27 | amiconn | You'll need the .map file, plus a disassembly of the module in question |
| 23:44:44 | BigBambi | BenniBoya: Mostly, plus some ASM |
| 23:44:51 | BenniBoya | asm? |
| 23:45:00 | BigBambi | assembly |
| 23:45:07 | BenniBoya | ok |
| 23:45:13 | julle- | does rockbox improve the battery life anything? |
| 23:45:24 | scorche|w | julle-: that depends on the device |
| 23:45:25 | einhirn | amiconn: Ok... Well, I just tried to change the replaygain settings earlier than in the "mpeg queue"... |
| 23:45:27 | BenniBoya | because i got this microsoft c# and c++ thing, if i wanted to learn, which would i start using |
| 23:45:31 | LinusN | julle-: on some platforms |
| 23:45:32 | BigBambi | julle-: On some players yes, on others no |
| 23:45:40 | julle- | scorche ipod video |
| 23:45:46 | einhirn | amiconn: seems that it's not the best idea. |
| 23:45:56 | BigBambi | julle-: Not as of yet |
| 23:46:02 | scorche|w | BenniBoya: C# and C++ are not C although they are similar |
| 23:46:13 | BenniBoya | ok |
| 23:46:20 | amiconn | einhirn: Ahem, are you calling mas communication functions from within the isr? |
| 23:46:31 | einhirn | amiconn: yes ;) |
| 23:46:33 | amiconn | That is bound to crash... |
| 23:46:43 | BenniBoya | where could i go to learn c? |
| 23:46:55 | einhirn | amiconn: That would explain it ;) |
| 23:46:55 | BenniBoya | ive got the microsoft visual studio cd |
| 23:46:56 | BigBambi | google? |
| 23:46:57 | julle- | okey well the battery meter is fairly correct right? because mine in the original firmwire from apple is not. that can show that i have minimun battery life when i just made a full recharge. :/ |
| 23:47:00 | BenniBoya | ok |
| 23:47:16 | amiconn | i2c communication must not be used from within an isr, because it's not interrupt protected |
| 23:47:22 | amiconn | (on sh) |
| 23:47:29 | BigBambi | julle-: Percentage should be OK I think, remaining time is not |
| 23:47:34 | BenniBoya | searching c on google does work! |
| 23:47:40 | BigBambi | heh |
| 23:47:43 | julle- | BigBambi okey thanks |
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| 23:49:19 | einhirn | amiconn: so could I somehow post a "priority event" into the mpeg (or any other queue) to change the replaygain settings "now"? |
| 23:50:59 | amiconn | Replaygain should be applied in track_change() - that's what is called by the mpeg thread when it receives MPEG_TRACK_CHANGE |
| 23:51:07 | einhirn | amiconn: I am now experiencing some fractions of the next track with the replaygain settings of the previous track. Of course I could live with that, but by striving for "perfection" I try to get my patch committed sooner |
| 23:51:39 | BenniBoya | is there an equivilent of visual basic 2007 for c? |
| 23:51:47 | einhirn | amiconn: yes, thats what I did until now, it applies the new gain values some split seconds after the track change is audible. |
| 23:51:53 | amiconn | I would expect the replaygain setting to be applied a fraction of a second too early even if it's applied in the thread |
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| 23:52:15 | einhirn | amiconn: yes, I know, somehow it's the other way around ;) |
| 23:52:17 | amiconn | (depending on bitrate, and getting worse with lower bitrate - due to the buffer in the mas itself) |
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| 23:52:49 | scorche|w | BenniBoya: you are only going to be able to compile rockbox using gcc (which is what rockboxdev.sh sets up for you) |
| 23:53:22 | BenniBoya | im going to compile rockbox in a portable linux environment' |
| 23:53:35 | BenniBoya | but i was going tom learn and write it while im i windows |
| 23:53:37 | amiconn | einhirn: I think your patch is good enough - it just needs to be tested and committed |
| 23:54:28 | amiconn | Unfortunately my only interest in replaygain on mas is for completeness (supporting all features on all targets whenever possible), so it's rather moderate :/ |
| 23:54:48 | einhirn | Ok, I'm reverting my working copy from this evenings trespasses and will then upload a new diff that should apply cleanly to current SVN rev. |
| 23:55:07 | amiconn | I never used replaygain so far, and I have no reason to change that (except for a few test tracks) |
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| 23:56:49 | einhirn | amiconn: I remember you saying that ;) I've tested the patch for the last some months, no problems except the occassional glitch a'la "new track starts rather loud, then volume is adjusted"... |
| 23:57:41 | amiconn | Does the patch "unapply" the old replaygain, then apply the new, or is it a direct transition? |
| 23:57:43 | einhirn | amiconn: if you could point me to the +5.95db that could be enabled in the analog output, I'd be grateful and would implement/test it |
| 23:58:12 | einhirn | amiconn: direct transition ie: clean svn tree, apply patch |
| 23:58:31 | amiconn | I'm not talking about the patching... |
| 23:58:37 | amiconn | ...but about the gain |
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