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#rockbox log for 2008-01-31

00:01:43jhMikeSmarkun: I've thought it might be a good idea to have one for mpegplayer. Who ported mplayer anyway? :)
00:02:13*pixelma kept quiet this time ;)
00:02:25markunoops ;)
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00:04:21*jhMikeS has some ridiculous bug with PCM frames after adding DSP that he can't track down (two days already :\)
00:05:45jhMikeSthe more days it takes the bigger the DOH! factor usually
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00:06:53*preglow knows everything about it
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00:10:02pixelmaok, sliding_puzzle doesn't look broken on the small H10 but you can't see the number of moves display which is there usually...
00:11:22markunjhMikeS: did you see a big drop in fps with for example crossfeed enabled?
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00:12:49pixelmaand you can't switch to the "number" mode - sim crashes nicely...
00:13:09jhMikeSmarkun: what didn't have PCM problems showed no real FPS drop
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00:18:17Oleshey −− lol
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00:19:38markunOles: anything you wanted to ask?
00:19:55OlesNah, i just got rockbox today, loaded pokemon, lol
00:20:04Olesi say the irc and decided to check it out
00:20:20markunwhich player do you have?
00:20:37Olesipod 5.5
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00:21:13markunit seems that a lot of ipod owners install rockbox to play games
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00:21:31Olesoh ya,
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00:33:53preglowmarkun: yeah... retailos is perfect in all other aspects, remember ;)
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00:36:29markunas with most OFs :)
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00:37:59pixelmabla... the sliding_puzzle crash (at least in a sim) happens if there is no album art bmp around - and the 2 responsible people are snowboarding...
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02:24:50eugei have rock box but
02:25:20eugewhen i got on to my apple os all my music was gone but was still in rockbox
02:27:11krazykiteuge, how did you put music on your ipod? with itunes?
02:27:31krazykitrockbox does NOT touch your files unless you specifically ask it to.
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02:27:51eugeeah with i tunes
02:28:31krazykitwell, if rockbox can still play the files, that's probably an itunesdb error. i'm not sure how to fix that, to be honest.
02:28:52eugei went to make a database
02:28:56eugeor something
02:29:12eugeand it worked fo about a week on the origanal
02:29:20eugebut then it stoped working
02:30:00eugei want to view videos through my old one
02:32:23eugewhat does Initialize mean
02:32:47eugein the database part of the os
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02:33:57krazykiteuge, in rockbox, initializing the database scans the disk for compatible files and adds them to Rockbox's database. it doesn't touch the OF's database files in any way.
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03:27:10countrymonkeyIf I try to build a czech, norsk, or finnish voice file with espeak and cygwin, I cannot. I type in s for sapi5 at the engine prompt, then "/Voice:eSpeak-no" (if norsk) at the sapi options prompt. What am I doing wrong?
03:27:43rasherWhy are you typing s if you want to build with espeak?
03:28:02rasherOr is there an espeak sapi interface thing?
03:28:13rasherEither way, I suggest using espeak directly
03:30:17countrymonkeyI cannot get that to work. It always sais "espeak- command not found". Where do I put which espeak files?
03:31:42rasherdoesn't matter, as long as it's in your $PATH
03:32:14countrymonkeyWhich espeak files? The espeak-data dir? the whole espeak dir? only espeak.exe?
03:32:45rasherThe executable
03:32:51rasherPresumably it'll know where to find the data
03:33:00countrymonkeyHold on a sec.
03:34:19countrymonkeyIt still says espeak: command not found.
03:34:39rasherHrm, actually
03:35:03rasherHold on
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03:43:21rasherYeah, countrymonkey would you mind testing if this fixes it for you:">
03:44:49countrymonkeyWhat does it do? I don't like to test things without knowing what they do.
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03:45:30rashercountrymonkey: it just adds .exe to the programs it's searching for if run on cygwin
03:45:56rasherI'm not quite sure how cygwin handles the whole .exe thing
03:46:10countrymonkeyLet's try it.
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03:47:24countrymonkeystill doesn't work.
03:48:32rasherWhat does your $PATH inlude, and is espeak.exe in one of those dirs?
03:49:09countrymonkeyYou mean type $path and give you the output?
03:49:49rasherWell, echo $PATH
03:50:01KeithGHello everyone!
03:50:57countrymonkeyWhat is it, KeithG?
03:51:28rasherWhat, nothing?
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03:51:41KeithGI’m a newish Rockbox user, but I thought I’d like to help with some items on the Wiki, especially related to the VMWare development image (for now at least). I was wondering if a Wiki user could give me write access.
03:51:47countrymonkeyYes, nothing.
03:52:13rasherThen your cygwin environment won't work at all. I'm afraid I don't believe you.
03:52:21rasherKeithG: What is your wiki name?
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03:52:49countrymonkeyI can build. I am e-mailing you a path.txt file. I did echo $path >path.txt and this is the result.
03:53:02rasherI said $PATH.
03:53:11saratogajust use
03:53:17rasherAnd yes, that.
03:53:19countrymonkeyCase matters?
03:53:31rashercountrymonkey: do you really have to ask?
03:54:02psycho_maniaccase ALWAYS matters
03:54:18saratogait might actually not matter in cygwin
03:54:25saratogathough i'd be careful about assuming that
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03:54:40rashersaratoga: it obviously does, since $path is apparently empty
03:55:05rasherKeithG: Done
03:55:55JohnEKHi, I'm nearly done creating my first theme. It's looking good, but I would like the font to be bigger. My starting font is True-Type and I used otf2bdf and convbdf to create the rockbox compatible font. However, it only looks good when I convert it to a size 12 rockbox font. Any larger size has artifacts in each character that don't belong. Any suggestions?
03:57:03countrymonkeyGot it fixed. I didn't realize case mattered. Uploaded results under name/title: countrymonkey.
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03:57:27KeithGThank you rasher!
03:58:04rashercountrymonkey: The link would be
03:58:15rashercountrymonkey: And where is espeak.exe located?
03:58:26countrymonkeyin my build dir
03:58:46rasherAnd is your build dir one of those listed?
03:59:42countrymonkeyThx for setting me straight. Now, I just put the exe in one of those dirs and build away.
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04:00:28XbooXhopefully this question isnt going to get me in trouble for not reading the manual again. but i have read the manual. does anyone know how to make the display at the top of the screen when in the menu a tad bit bigger? or is that not possible. i know ive seen it removed in some themes but it would be cool to make it a tad bigger
04:00:37rashercountrymonkey: Err, and espeak-data should be in a place where espeak will look as well. I don't know enough about espeak to help you with that.
04:01:15countrymonkeyI will just move it where I moved espeak and things will be fine.
04:01:16rasherJohnEK: Finding another font or fixing the font manually after converting from truetype with a bdf-capable font editor
04:01:32rasherXbooX: Not possible (not currently, anyway)
04:02:13JohnEKthanks rasher
04:02:17XbooXrasher: thanks, i kinda figured that.
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04:05:41countrymonkeyCan I make spx .talk clips without voicebox+?
04:06:50rasherShould be possible using
04:07:30countrymonkeyCool. All I got to figure out is how to use the thing. I just cannot wait until rbutil 1.0.4 is released.
04:08:51rasherWell there's fairly helpful output if you don't get it right
04:09:08countrymonkeyI know. I am using that.
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04:32:10countrymonkeyI just came up with an idea; would it be possible to implement the ability for rb to detect when a language needs a certain font and switch to that font uppon that language being loaded? Even a code telling the font in the lang files would work.
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04:33:47rasherWell, checking for "this lang needs a different font" would not be the hardest thing in the world to add. Figuring out which font to automatically switch to would be a bit of a nightmare though
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04:37:06crazy_busI remember reading about a company that paid for a few people to come to their company and learn about their player so that they would port rockbox to it. Did anything happen with this?
04:37:43Lloreancrazy_bus: I think you might be thinking of Austrian Microsystems, which I don't believe paid for anything, but they did give us some information about one specific chip.
04:38:43crazy_busIs there any company that's rockbox friendly then?
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04:39:11rasherAMS seems fairly friendly, but they only make individual chips, not finished players.
04:39:12psycho_maniacdidnt archos want rockbox to be the default os but they wanted it NOT to be open source? I thought i read that somewhere.
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04:41:53XbooXis it possible to select a backdrop or picture and use it as your background for themes such as the rockbox_default theme?
04:42:07psycho_maniacwhy dont you try it?
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04:44:05XbooXnot looking very possibe
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04:45:50psycho_maniacXbooX: works for me
04:46:25psycho_maniacalthough i loaded the backdrops that were in the backdrops folder in ./rockbox
04:46:39scorcheXbooX: what size are the images you are trying to load?
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04:47:37XbooXuh i have a fair amount of backdrops in the backdrops folder. however i dont see the ./rockbox folder on my ipod
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04:49:00psycho_maniacgo to the quick menu and select all under "show files"
04:50:04XbooXthanks psycho_maniac, sorry bout that
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04:51:23countrymonkeyWhy would figuring it out be a nightmare? All a translator has to do is add a line in the lang file saying what font.
04:52:20countrymonkeySory, wrong chanel.
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05:07:55btronanybody have insight on why the system date on my ipod mini 2g running latest rockbox build mysteriously resets itself to 2010 sometimes?
05:08:19btronit's really a pain when i go to submit tracks to and they are 2 years in the future!
05:08:40psycho_maniacdo you own a time machine?
05:08:53btronnot that i know of but that would be bad assed
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05:21:25soapbtron, any pattern at all to the reset date?
05:21:36soapPerhaps after your iPod shuts down due to low battery?
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05:25:33btronsoap: ooo now that i think about it, that is entirely possible
05:25:36psycho_maniachi pizza
05:25:58pizzawhen I start up my sansa I go to photos but when I click on one it wont load
05:26:02pizzait is in jpeg format
05:26:26soapthat shouldn't do it in and of itself, btron, but I'm just trying to link a weak battery situation with reset RealTimeClock.
05:27:06pizzaI go to open with.. but I cannot open it with anything
05:27:32soapwell, I mean that doesn't cause my iPods to reset their clocks, but you see where I'm reaching...
05:28:16btronsoap: maybe i'll let it die intentionally and see if i can recreate the bug
05:30:15pizzais ther any way to view jpegs in rockbox?
05:32:25soapsection 9.3.2 of the manual.
05:32:44soaphidden under the obscure term "JPEG viewer" in the table of contents.
05:33:42soap"jpeg" the word only appearing three times in the manual.
05:34:50soapOnce in the table of contents - pointing to section 9.3.2, once under "supported file types" and once in section 9.3.2
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05:38:47pizzaIt tells me I need to stop playback but I did but I still cannot acces the jpeg viewer
05:39:01pizzaI do open with... and the jpeg thing ahs a "?" next to it
05:41:24pizzaok i go to the image file name I hit the enter button and i come up with "context menu" I go to open with.. and ther is something called "jpeg" and something ca;;ed "viewer" both of them have a ? next to them
05:42:07pizzaI try to use the "jpeg" to open it but I get "plugin returned error"
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05:48:25cool_walking_pizza: Are you sure it's a valid JPEG file?
05:48:49soapnot progressive scan?
05:48:54pizzaoh, hmm it works now, all I had to do was reboot
05:48:59pizzasrry about this
05:49:03pizzai didnt know I neededto reboot
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06:00:23psycho_maniacso who likes the new attempt of the new rockbox website?
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06:02:36cool_walking_I think I like it better with the a:hover bitmaps
06:03:20cool_walking_in rock.php
06:05:28cool_walking_The other changes from rock.php -> st.php are good though.
06:06:57psycho_maniaci like st.php the most so far.
06:08:16psycho_maniacwould like it if it was a different color though.
06:11:18cool_walking_Which part?
06:12:04psycho_maniacthe dark color
06:12:54cool_walking_It could be made a bit lighter grey, but I don't know about a different colour.
06:16:38*scorche feels like an old stick in the mud with all this
06:18:32cool_walking_Don't want a new web page at all, or just don't like this proposal?
06:19:16*scorche likes his pasty blue and very un-web2.0 look
06:19:38cool_walking_I don't like web 2.0 either - the first design was bad.
06:19:46cool_walking_I hate AJAX
06:20:14psycho_maniaci actually like the non-web2.0 look also :)
06:20:15scorchei like ajax, but i dont like what a lot of people use it for
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06:31:36soapI use it to scrub my tub.
06:32:22psycho_maniacthats all i know what to use it for.
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06:34:53pizzawhen I add music to my Sansa Media Player it will show up when I boot into the Sansa Firmware but not in Rockbox, is there a way to get it to recognize in rockbox?
06:35:17pizzait is an mp3 file
06:36:38cool_walking_pizza: Are you using the file tree or the database?
06:37:19pizzait recognized all of the music that I had previously but not the one that I just added
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06:39:01cool_walking_Try initialise the database again.
06:39:19pizzai have done that and it is still not there
06:40:16cool_walking_Did you delete all the database files in the .rockbox directory before initialising again?
06:41:08pizzano I havent
06:41:11pizzail ltry that now
06:41:13cool_walking_There's something wrong with the way the stride (for drawing) is calculated in sliding_puzzle.c. It's broken on at least the Nano.
06:41:16pizzais that what im supposed to do after adding music
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06:41:34cool_walking_No, I think it's supposed to update itself every boot.
06:41:40cool_walking_But I don't use the database.
06:41:51pizzahmm ok, and this is on my sansa e260
06:41:57pizzait recognized all my other music
06:42:16pizzawhat do u use?
06:42:24cool_walking_I just use the file tree.
06:43:11pizzakk deleted files rebooting
06:44:10pizzaheyyy! it worked!
06:44:23cool_walking_Heh, cool. I was just guessing.
06:44:32pizzaill have to remember to do that when i add music
06:44:48pizzamaybe its a but or somethn
06:44:54pizzabut anyways thsnk :)
06:45:08cool_walking_You're welcome
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06:48:40cool_walking_Right, I probably should have waited 'til that conversation was over so this didn't get lost in there:
06:48:42cool_walking_ There's something wrong with the way the stride (for drawing) is calculated in sliding_puzzle.c. It's broken on at least the Nano.
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08:04:08amiconnThe bug in sliding_puzzle is present on any album art enabled target, and is verifiable in the sim, and on coldfire targets (catch mem accesses)
08:04:45amiconnThe actual null pointer access isn't sliding_puzzle's fault though, the bug is in apps/recorder/albumart.c
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08:05:23Avi_hello, i havve a question for you lovely knowledgeable people out there...
08:05:35amiconnThe snprintf() call in line 148 uses id3->artist and id3->album without making sure these aren't null...
08:06:20Avi_Is there support for Griffin's iTalk recording device on rockbx?
08:06:31Avi_if not how do i submit a request for this?
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08:08:15GodEaterAvi, all feature requests go into flyspray
08:08:38GodEaterbe warned though, that it's impossible for a developer to do this unless they own the hardware
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08:12:54cool_walking_amiconn: talking to me? The issue with what I was talking about seems to be that sliding_puzzle is expecting a bitmap of width min(LCD_HEIGHT,LCD_WIDTH), and SOURCES isn't giving it that for the Nano.
08:13:02amiconnGodEater: Did you see my test result with more music and a (nearly) current build on G5.5/80?
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08:13:54Avi_godeater: well its an ipod... so i would imagine a developer owns one
08:14:08amiconncool_walking_: No, I was talking about the crash bug in the sim when switching images in sliding_puzzle
08:14:37cool_walking_Yeah, didn't sound like you were talking about the same issue I was talking about.
08:14:59amiconnBut that issue needs to be fixed too (saw your screenshot y'day)
08:15:48cool_walking_y'day? Is that supposed to be "yesterday"? I don't believe I've ever seen that abbreviation.
08:16:46*amiconn is a lazy typer sometimes :/
08:17:19Avi_GodEater: does flyspray require a separate login than the rockbox forums?
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08:18:01GodEaterAvi_: I didn't meant the ipod - I meant the itrip. And you'd be amazed at the number of devs who don't own iPods.
08:18:18GodEaterand yes, the tracker requires a seperate login
08:18:20*amiconn wonders why the built-in bitmap in sliding_puzzle is handled in such a silly way
08:18:25GodEateramiconn: yes - was just reading the logs back
08:18:31GodEaterI'm at a loss.
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08:18:56amiconnIt boots, I start to play a folder (my test folder was 320kbps mp3), and it plays as expected
08:19:10amiconnBuffering took 1:14 though
08:19:22GodEateryeah, that's quite slow
08:19:35amiconnIt's probably due to the peakmeters
08:19:36GodEaterand no audio drop outs I take it
08:19:47amiconnNo, I listened to the whole album
08:20:11GodEaterI've just reset mine to default settings
08:20:14GodEaterI'll see what happens
08:20:36amiconnI don't have as many files as you though
08:20:49JdGordonamiconn: can you test out the viewports list patch on your player and let me know if anything goes wrong? I want to try commiting it over the weekend
08:21:37amiconnstats output: Files: 4952, Music: 3580, Dirs: 440, Max files in dir: 220
08:21:56Buschelamiconn/Godeater: is the slow buffering on 5.5G/80 the reason for the degraded runtime for these ipods?
08:22:18GodEaterBuschel: that's probably something to do with it
08:22:30GodEaterbut it's probably more that the disk goes mad for unknown reasons at the moment
08:23:53GodEateramiconn: ok - with ALL default settings, playback is fine - so I'll turn things on one at a time now and see what makes it goes all wrong
08:24:30GodEaterdircache first
08:24:39amiconnIn fact it's very obvious why sliding_pzzle breaks on the nano. The ifdefing in bitmaps/native/SOURCES is bound to not work properly
08:25:45GodEaterwow - dircache only took 14seconds to build this time (foreground though)
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08:26:59Buschelgotta go working now, see you later
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08:27:46GodEatereven with it building in the background, and playback going, it's still quicker now, and no audio drop outs yet
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08:29:53PapaAviwhat if i mailed an iTalk to a developer with an ipod?
08:30:37GodEaterPapaAvi: you'd have to find a dev who a) has an iPod, and b) is interested in doing your feature
08:30:48GodEaterI fear you'll find the two sets of people don't intersect
08:31:04PapaAvihey GodEater ..... you a developer :P
08:31:36PapaAviwhat are you?
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08:33:21GodEateramiconn, I just got my first drop out
08:33:34GodEaterI've only turned on dircache
08:33:40GodEaterand loaded the cabbiev2 theme
08:34:03PapaAvistaff... so you are an op here?
08:34:04GodEaterI keep seeing the buffering screen doing strange things when the dropouts happen
08:34:16GodEaterno - I'm a forum mod
08:35:09PapaAviah ok
08:35:20PapaAviwell thanks for the help, appreciate your time
08:35:35GodEaterno problem
08:35:53PapaAviwhile i;m at it... what is the bottom port of the ipod called?
08:36:00GodEaterthe dock port
08:36:03PapaAvik, thanks
08:36:30PapaAviam i allowed to offer a cash reward for the developer that makes it?
08:36:33GodEaterof course
08:36:56GodEaterthere's a paypal link on the site for "generic" rockbox donations, and you're free to come to an arrangement personally with a dev if you wish
08:37:06GodEateralthough I'd tell people here about it too
08:37:20GodEaterso we can make sure you're giving money to someone who we recognise as a dev
08:37:24GodEaterand not someone just fleecing you :)
08:37:45PapaAviwell i would pay them after they made it of course.
08:38:05GodEateryes, but you're still going to need to send the hardware
08:38:26GodEateror pay for them to buy their own
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08:40:57PapaAviwell i posted it
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08:41:30GodEatergood luck :)
08:41:43PapaAvithanks, how often to people answer these?
08:43:55*Llorean wonders where you posted it.
08:44:11*PapaAvi posted it under recording
08:44:12amiconnGodEater: So the problem might be a bitmapped theme, or an aa theme, or the combination of both
08:44:24*amiconn hates that cabbie theme hence won't use it
08:44:39GodEaternot even for debugging purposes ?
08:44:44LloreanI'm not particularly fond of flyspray being used as a means for offering bounties. =/
08:45:08PapaAvijust wanted to give some incentive
08:45:31PapaAvididn't know if it was unethical or something..... i could just make the donation go towards rockbox if you choose
08:45:50GodEaterI don't see a problem with it myself
08:45:58LloreanI don't see a problem with bounties.
08:46:25*PapaAvi ;)
08:46:45LloreanBut posting them on flyspray seems a little... I dunno. Like it becomes part of "official" practice for bounties to be posted, and people thinking that bounties might make things more likely (I think often they won't make any difference)
08:46:59GodEaterI agree, I don't think it'll matter at all
08:47:09GodEaterbut I don't see that as a reason to ask people not to post them
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08:47:32LloreanI didn't ask anyone not to post them, just said I'm not fond of it being there.
08:47:57PapaAvii can post is somewhere else?
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08:48:29GodEaterin my mind there's no better place to post it
08:48:35GodEaterfeature requests belong in flyspray
08:48:41LloreanI'd rather see a separate way of tracking bounties. Though to an extent it does also irritate me that the bounty will go to the person who does the last 5% of the work, when code developed by a few dozen people at least is the reason something was even possible. ;)
08:48:58GodEaterthere is that
08:49:04LloreanLike, feature requests go in flyspray like normal, but a separate page can go up just for bounties of some sort.
08:49:39PapaAvithen ii can make the donation go to rockbox paypal and just vary the amount on how much is done/ how many people do it?
08:49:57LloreanI just don't want flyspray tasks turning into bidding wars. Group A thinks "Accessory Protocol" is important. Group B things "Mpegplayer improvement" is important. Two tasks fill up with comments saying "I'll pitch in another $5" spamming out any technical discussion.
08:50:02PapaAvibut spread the word! :P
08:50:32GodEaterLlorean: you really think that's likely ?
08:50:45LloreanGodEater: I've seen some tasks fill up with a lot of "I'd really like this too" sorta comments.
08:50:59GodEaterso it happens whether there's a bounty or not...
08:51:16LloreanYeah, but there could be a Bounties wiki page.
08:51:26LloreanThen you have real names associated with the edits adding money into the pool for each feature, etc.
08:51:30LloreanOr theoretical real names.
08:51:37GodEaterand we all know how popular the wiki is with our less technical members...
08:51:51*PapaAvi w00t
08:52:24GodEateramiconn: I'm convinced the issue is with AA
08:52:33GodEaterI've loaded another bitmap heavy theme up
08:52:35LloreanAs well as a posted description asking something like "Rockbox is a project developed by hundreds of developers, and we humbly ask that bounties be intended as future donations to the project as a whole, though we understand if you would rather tip the specific programmer who implemented your feature and leave it to him to decide what is done with the money" or some such
08:52:38GodEaterbut it lacks AA support
08:52:41GodEaterno drop outs again
08:52:55LloreanGodEater: Flyspray is generally just as unpopular. The big hurdle seems to be "I don't want to register for something else"
08:53:08GodEaterI agree
08:53:20GodEaterbut registration for the forums / flyspray doesn't involve coming here
08:53:30GodEaterwhere the wiki does (if you want to do anything useful)
08:53:52LloreanYes, a dozen people can post "I'll pitch in 5 dollars" to a task and all turn out to be the same person.
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08:54:08GodEaterthat too
08:54:09LloreanAt least when they have to come here it means there's some chance we might notice foul play.
08:54:15PapaAviregistratrion is simple though..... if they are too lazy to do that, then thheir request cant be that significan
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08:55:01GodEatereven that system isn't infallible though Llorean
08:55:08LloreanNo, nothing's infallible.
08:55:10GodEaterall it takes is a list of "real" names and a changing tor exit node...
08:55:25PapaAviLlorean: satan is infallible
08:55:26LloreanAnd someone willing to stagger them over several days as to not arouse suspicion, etc.
08:55:40LloreanJust sayin, it's a little more dependable that way.
08:55:42GodEaterlet's not bring religion into it
08:55:49GodEaterrockbox is a secular state :)
08:56:14GodEaterwell sure, set it up then Llorean - I'm certainly not going to disagree
08:56:27GodEaterbut I still think it won't make a blind bit of difference which features get implemented and which don't
08:56:34GodEaternone of us are here for the money :)
08:56:57PapaAviyou are here for the good times and laughs? yes?
08:57:00GodEaterjust the opposite to be honest. I think I've spent more on DAPS since I got involved than ever :)
08:57:09GodEaterPapaAvi: pretty much
08:57:14LloreanYeah, I've spent quite a lot of money on Rockbox-related costs.
08:57:19PapaAvithats why i always loved ir
08:57:26GodEaterI love laughing at Llorean when he goes postal in the forums :)
08:57:30PapaAvii left it cuz its too much fun on the social networks
08:57:31LloreanThere is that. :)
08:57:56LloreanGodEater: I may not be around much longer tonight. Would you mind asking the swedes if they object to a FeatureBounties wiki page if you spot them active?
08:58:04GodEatercertainly sir
08:58:13GodEaterI think most of them read the logs though :)
08:58:19LloreanThanks. If they're okay with it, I'll go ahead and try to set one up.
08:58:21GodEaterI shall prod them though
08:58:48LloreanBetter to be safe than depend on them spotting the fact that I want to act on the idea. ;)
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09:02:43*GodEater wonders if any features have made it into Rockbox previously as a result of a "bounty"
09:02:50*GodEater discounts GSoC
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09:05:05*GodEater spots a "Swede" and endeavours to draw his attention to Llorean's recent suggestion
09:05:21*GodEater jumps up and down
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09:05:58*GodEater gets out of breath
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09:07:19*amiconn suspects that GodEater aims for the 'king of irc actions' title ;)
09:07:32scorcheLinusN: has Jeff responded to you yet?
09:07:41scorcheamiconn: no one can take that title from you! ;)
09:07:59GodEateramiconn is emperor for life is he ?
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09:08:53amiconnscorche: huh?
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09:09:33scorcheamiconn: i asked him to ask Jeff how much BW the forums take up
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09:09:36LinusNscorche: i haven't mailed him yet...
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09:10:39LinusNscorche: mailed him now
09:11:14amiconnscorche: I was referring to your other statement...">
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09:11:42scorcheJens Arnold always lets us know what he's doing: 5812 actions! and in second place: Also, Peter D'Hoye tells us what's up with 2854 actions.
09:11:52GodEaterLinusN: probably best if you read the few lines before it
09:11:56GodEaterto see the reasoning behind it
09:11:58scorchehence, you are teh king of IRC actions
09:12:31*amiconn should talk less and code more :/
09:13:01scorcheamiconn: and if those complete stats are old, the new per-month ones all show you having the most actions :)
09:13:23LinusNi do see some problems with bounties
09:13:50LinusN1) they can really only go to developers with svn access
09:14:19LinusNbecause there is otherwise little guarantee that the feature ends up in svn
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09:14:39amiconnscorche: The 2008 stats actually show that my suspicion was correct..."> ;)
09:15:31scorcheamiconn: he has a loooooooong way to go before even beginning to catch up :)
09:15:32LinusN2) it would take quite a lot of money to make me stay home from work and work on a rockbox feature instead :-/
09:15:56GodEaterLinusN: but 2) isn't a problem for us, it's a problem for the person who wants the feature
09:15:57scorchelet him have one month!
09:16:19LinusN3) no money in the world (well almost) can push an unwanted feature into svn
09:16:54LinusNother than that, if someone wants to pay a developer to implement a feature, why not?
09:16:56GodEaterwe could mark such features as a No on the page presumably ?
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09:32:45LinusNstill missing the code to enable the rx/tx
09:33:19LinusNthe ipod video boot code that is
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09:33:46pondlifeGodEater: Regarding the insane disk activity. Do you know exactly which SVN revision first suffers it?
09:34:00pondlifei.e. was it MoB or spinlocks, or what?
09:34:24pondlifeWhich was after MoB, right?
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09:35:46pondlifeGodEater: So default settings cured it for you? Any idea which setting was responsible yet?
09:35:55LinusNthe thing is that the spinlock patch changes the way the threads are scheduled
09:36:13pondlifeThus revealing an underlying bug?
09:36:18GodEaterpondlife: I've not seen it today
09:36:30GodEaterbut I'm still running a build from last night that jhMikes gave me some patches for
09:36:34pondlifeAh ok
09:36:34LinusNso if two threads access the disk, it will take a loooooong time for them to finish
09:36:50GodEaterand three threads would be worse still I assume
09:36:51pixelmacool_walking_: I saw the Nano problem in sliding_puzzle too yesterday night and worked on a fix (hopefully a "clean" one), the thing also has a problem on the small H10 (the bitmap is full screen, so no space for the "Moves" box). Got that part ready but wanted to make said box nicer while at it, it seems to still use the old definitions for it.
09:36:57LinusNGodEater: oh yes
09:37:14GodEateri.e. if you have dircache, resume on startup, and tagcache autoupdate on
09:37:16GodEateryou're screwed
09:37:35pondlifeIndeed. This affects single CPU targets too, but less?
09:37:42pondlifee.g. My H380
09:37:49pondlifeOr is it just multicore?
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09:38:33pondlifeSorry if I'm going over old ground, but the logs aren't clear.
09:38:41pondlife(or I missed a bit)
09:38:51pixelmaGodEater: and an AA WPS makes it even worse, right?
09:39:00pondlifeHey, more disk access = worse
09:39:13GodEaterpixelma: probably
09:39:27GodEaterbut the AA theme seems to be the thing which really screws up audio
09:39:37GodEaterif I don't use an AA theme - playback is much much better
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09:39:51GodEaterwhich is odd - because the AA for an album is only loaded once (I assume)
09:39:58GodEaterso I wouldn't have thought it made that much difference
09:40:09pondlifeIt should be... check the sim maybe?
09:40:18GodEaterbut the audio still drops out, even after the AA pic is loaded
09:40:28pondlifeAll file opens are listed in the sim stdout
09:40:28GodEaterthe buffering screen goes mental though
09:40:37GodEateryou get negative values
09:40:39pondlifeI saw you mention -ve values
09:40:43GodEaterthen enormously positive ones
09:40:54pondlife64MB overflows?
09:41:11pondlifeWhich iPod do you have?
09:41:16pondlife32MB or 64MB?
09:41:29pondlifeTry the 32MB build?
09:41:42GodEatercould do I suppose
09:41:47pondlifeI wonder if some pointer arithmetic is borked
09:43:09GodEaterI would expect something going more seriously wrong though
09:43:26GodEateryou get these -ve values for like a split second, and then they correct back to what they were before
09:43:36pondlifeRacy stuff
09:43:38LinusNi think the buffering is b0rked somehow
09:44:06pondlifeAt least it should be possible to debug now
09:44:10LinusNnot to mention the unbuffer callbacks (playcount)
09:44:23pondlifeThat's just badly designed
09:44:35pondlifeIt should be saving them in RAM until the next spinup
09:45:12pondlifeOr was that the intention?
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09:47:01pondliferasher: Those last seen values on"> look a bit suspect, but nice work otherwise
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09:55:10cool_walking__I swear I killed Miranda at work :-/
09:55:58cool_walking__pixelma: Definitely best to use yours then, I'm have absolutely no idea what I'm doing.
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10:00:39*pondlife wonders if cool_walking_ has a former colleague named Miranda...
10:00:50pondlifeLinusN: They probably are :/
10:01:11LinusNwould be nice to merge those two into a more up-to-date document
10:02:18pondlifeThere's another page about Playback somewhere too
10:02:32pondlifelostlogic's take on it
10:02:49pondlifeMoB is Nico_P's and BufferingAPIProposal is mine
10:02:56pondlifeBut none of them are the truth
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10:46:13BenniBoyacan anyone give me the source code for the stock ipod nano bootloader (the one that works as soon as you install it)?
10:46:51GodEaterBenniBoya: "stock" ?
10:47:00markunI think only apply has that code
10:47:10BenniBoyai mean the rockbox bootloader
10:47:15BenniBoyathe one that works as soon as you install it
10:47:17GodEaterBenniBoya: that's in svn
10:47:30BenniBoyais the svn the same as the source tarball?
10:47:55BenniBoyawell the ipod bootloader in the tarball didnt work for me when i built it originaly
10:47:56markunBenniBoya: well, it's not the same, but should have the same content.
10:48:41GodEaterBenniBoya: that probably means you built it wrong
10:48:46GodEaterBenniBoya: it works for me
10:48:50markunMaybe the bootloader is broken right now. Usually it's not compiled until is new version is needed for some reason
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10:49:23BenniBoyawould installing it from linux on2 a winpod do anything?
10:49:25markunGodEater: do you also compile your own bootloader?
10:49:26GodEatermarkun: it's not broken - I only built it yesterday
10:49:38GodEatermarkun: I don't usually - but yesterday I did
10:49:52BenniBoyayou tred to buikld it for me god deater
10:49:59BenniBoyawhen i was having trouble
10:50:08markunI also built it for you
10:50:15markunbut don't have an ipod to try it on
10:50:30GodEaterit definitely works
10:50:55markunBenniBoya: it what way didn't the bootloader not work btw?
10:51:25BenniBoyai had tried to change the boot order in the source
10:51:31BenniBoyabt it just didnt boot rockbox
10:51:43markundid it work without any changes?
10:52:01BenniBoyait just didnt boot rockbox
10:52:17BenniBoyait mite have just been earlier, ill check again
10:52:23BenniBoyawhen i find my ipod
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10:52:33markungood luck with the search
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10:53:52BenniBoyacould someone explain, if I wanted rockbox to boot witht the hold switch on, what part of ipod.c would i have to swap
10:54:19*amiconn never gets why someone would want to swap the default boot order....
10:54:33amiconn*especially* not on ipod
10:54:42GodEaternor me
10:54:52BenniBoyai want it to be "hold switch on=rockbox, hold witch off = ipod"
10:55:06BenniBoyaits just personal preference as i swap alot
10:55:46GodEaterI think it only appeals to people who think "rockbox == games platform" rather than "better than the Apple firmware by miles"
10:56:37LinusNwell, you can't really blame people for being satisified with the apple firmware
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10:57:10*GodEater isn't blaming anyone for anything
10:57:15BenniBoyai just kinda dislike the music player in rb compared to ipod
10:57:32LinusNBenniBoya: care to tell us why?
10:57:37pixelmaLinusN: true but why do they want Rockbox then? ;)
10:57:41pondlifeSo we can improve it..
10:57:56BenniBoyawith quite a few songs, the taggs are missing
10:58:11LinusNBenniBoya: is that all?
10:58:12amiconnI don't get it because booting into apple stays there anyway until you reset, while rockbox shuts down the hardware and you can choose again at next boot
10:58:23BenniBoyawhen im in the menu, i go to skip but it opens menu
10:58:44BenniBoyaand the having to rebuild database (which i understand) kinda annoys me
10:59:01BenniBoya know im just winging but... yea
10:59:03pondlifeYou shouldn't have to rebuild the database
10:59:20pondlifeUpdate if you add stuff, but nothing more
10:59:21BenniBoyawhen i add new music, it doesnt appear
10:59:30BenniBoyai set it ro auto update
10:59:30LinusNto me it sounds like you are suffering from plain bugs
10:59:35amiconn(apart from that the apple fw is completely useless for me)
10:59:55BenniBoyai like rockboxs look but i just prefer ipod fw for bowsing and listening to music
11:00:20pondlifeThat's a NotSoGoldenQuote :/
11:00:48LinusNspeaking of database, it sounds to me that we are having huge problems with it
11:00:52pondlifeRockbox is mianly about browsing and listening to music
11:01:14pondlifeAuto-update is buggy, I find
11:01:33BenniBoyaI use rokbox for applications and videos
11:01:33pondlifeManual update is generally ok on H300.
11:01:41BenniBoyaand occasionly music
11:01:50LinusNdozens and dozens of reports, all ending up with "deleting and reinitializing solved it"
11:02:01LinusNthat's not a solution goddammit
11:02:18*pondlife suggests that the database needs to be rewritten in C++ (and then hides)
11:02:25GodEaterand lots of reports of it hanging on attempting to build in the first place
11:02:25pondlifedatabase code I mean
11:02:46LinusNwhatever works
11:02:52pondlifeI forgot my ;)
11:02:55GodEaterif we encounter a bad tag(tm) during building we should just skip it, not hang the whole process
11:03:16pondlifeAbsolutely. And provide a build log (text) to indicate what went wrong
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11:03:23GodEaterthat would be good
11:03:28LinusNa log would be nice
11:03:43GodEatereven if it only listed the filenames
11:03:45LinusNmaybe that's the first we should do
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11:04:56BenniBoyacan i just add a sugestion for the ipod version?
11:05:27LinusNplease do
11:05:45BenniBoyaperhaps find a way to get the ipodfw playlists (for people who have only just installed
11:05:49BenniBoyaand album artwork
11:06:04BenniBoyait might just me my version missing this if it has already been updated
11:08:11GodEaterdidn't jhMikes say that the sleep(1) in build_tagcache() is bad ?
11:08:14LinusNthat's a quite big undertaking
11:08:42BenniBoyai was just throwing some ideas
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11:10:31LinusNBenniBoya: ideas are good, and it's not like it's impossible
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11:11:11BenniBoyai knownext to nothing about c or programing so i dont know its limits
11:11:41LinusNBenniBoya: the thing is that the ipod database is more or less undocumented
11:11:52BenniBoyaoh ok
11:11:53LinusNbut i'm sure there is code out there that can read it
11:12:12GodEatergtkpod and it's ilk probably have some sort of code to do that
11:12:30BenniBoyai read somewhere that a part of the ipod code is some kidn of ibm code
11:12:45LinusNwe could perhaps add it to rbutil
11:13:51LinusNBenniBoya: the thing is that we have no intention of adding complete support for itunes
11:14:09BenniBoyayea i know
11:14:17BenniBoyarockbox is seperate
11:14:23GodEaterand not just for ipods
11:14:33LinusNin fact, rockbox is a way to escape from itunes
11:16:08BenniBoyaif its not to much trouble, could some1 check if this code would work?
11:16:49GodEaterdo we want tagcache to *always* create a log file ? Or would a logf build which people can use when they find a broken file be good enough ?
11:17:32LinusNGodEater: always
11:17:46LinusNBenniBoya: it would be a lot easier to see only your changes
11:18:35BenniBoyaLinusN: I changed from 302 down
11:18:42BenniBoyaI just swapped something
11:21:59BenniBoyai swapped the set of lines that load rockbox with the ones that boot apple
11:22:07LinusNi see now
11:22:38BenniBoyaand the ipod boot part is where rockbox boot used to be
11:22:39LinusNlooks like it might work
11:23:03BenniBoyai had tried earlier and it seemed to have not
11:23:22LinusNBenniBoya: i have a simpler suggestion
11:23:32BenniBoyadoes it include leaving it?
11:24:03LinusNuse the original version of ipod.c and change line 302 to:
11:24:16LinusN if (!(button_was_held || (btn==BUTTON_MENU))) {
11:24:36LinusNthat will invert the check for the hold switch
11:24:57BenniBoyai dont mind the switch and all
11:25:16BenniBoyai wanted rb to load with the switch on
11:25:19BenniBoyaand apple without
11:25:33LinusNi.e inverting the hold switch
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11:26:00LinusNmy suggestion will do exactly that
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11:28:37BenniBoyasorry to be picky but i wanted apple to boot automaticly, no buttons and rockbox with the switch and menu
11:28:45BenniBoyaas i changed it, would that happen>
11:30:18markunBenniBoya: why don't you try LinusN's suggestion?
11:30:59LinusNBenniBoya: my suggestion attempts to do exactly what you describe
11:31:14BenniBoyaok sorry for beign kinda rude
11:31:20LinusNwith the difference that my change is a lot simpler
11:31:34BenniBoyaill try that in the morning
11:31:40markunbut do it with the original file, not the one where you swapped the code
11:31:58markunah, that's what LinusN said :)
11:32:59*markun wonders why are there somany better things to do when you have to finish a paper..
11:33:25LinusNi know the feeling
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11:35:11markunLinusN: I feel like going to a rockbox devcon. A lot more fun :)
11:35:20markunWhen will we start planning the next one?
11:35:49markunand are we going to do it in the USA of first wait till the dollar drops a bit more? :)
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11:36:52*petur hopes devcon will fit his planning :)
11:37:06markunyes, me too
11:37:13pixelmamarkun: do they let you in with a laptop and a bunch of Rockbox devices? ;)
11:37:33markunpixelma: oops, forgot about the post 9-11 paranoia
11:37:38leftrightfor info, on my gf's Archos X202, the database scan locked the player up during scan, a hard reset was required. The culprit was incorrectly tagged wma files. I also found that some folks bury the most amasing shite in the comments field of the ID3 tag, I found the entire aritsts biography in several comments field, this was also causing the database to choke.
11:37:39peturmore importantly, we need a country without import restrictions on beer :)
11:37:57markunpixelma: but will they let people out with that kind of stuff?
11:38:30pixelmamarkun: they are happy if these people leave... :)
11:39:30vitalsparkdoes having a large database (~70GB) on rockbox slow it down ? seems to spend a minute or so "accessing" the hard disc when i play a file
11:40:07markuna 70GB database!
11:40:26vitalsparkits a 5g 80gb ipod tho
11:40:32LinusNmarkun: i think he means 70GB worth of files
11:40:40markunvitalspark: well, I have no idea if having a lot of files should slow down loading
11:40:41vitalsparkyeah i meant that lol
11:40:55markunLinusN: really? ;)
11:40:58LinusNvitalspark: are you using the latest version of rockbox
11:41:04vitalsparkyeah, just updated
11:41:16markuncould be the spinlock bug
11:41:20LinusNwe currently have severe disk access performance problems
11:41:36pixelmavitalspark: it shouldn't but currently there seems to be bugs related to buffering, playback, updating database which cause more disk activity, seems most obvious on 80GB Ipods
11:41:53vitalsparkyeah..sounds like a similar issue to what I'm having
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11:42:25LinusNGodEater: how did jhMikeS' latest patch turn out?
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11:43:01GodEaterbetter then what's in svn
11:43:05GodEaterbut not a perfect fix
11:44:05leftrightdatabase scan needs to fail or skip the problem files gracefully if it encounters a problem tag
11:44:15vitalsparkquick q re. the themes: do you just copy across the .zip or do you have to extract folder to folder
11:44:43markunleftright: and we should improve the metadata parsers
11:44:46LinusNvitalspark: you usually have to extract the zip to the root of the player
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11:46:32vitalsparksounds right, cool
11:46:51vitalsparkand is it possible to have it support .jpg rather than .gif album art ?
11:46:58vitalsparkall my art is in jpg format
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11:49:31LinusNvitalspark: we are considering that, but don't hold your bbreath
11:49:58pixelmavitalspark: .gif won't help you either ;)
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11:51:09pixelmaalbum art works with bmp files, you can find more info on the AlbumArt page in the wiki
11:51:44vitalsparkwhy not jpg
11:52:05vitalsparkrockbox will read jpg through the file browser
11:52:33peturbecause that is a plugin
11:52:41LinusNvitalspark: the jpg viewer is a plugin, but album art needs to be in the main rockbox code
11:53:00vitalsparkoh...i just installed rockbox, and didnt add any plugins....
11:53:25vitalsparki wish i knew how to program, would add in jpg support
11:53:45pixelmayou installe all the plugins as they come with Rockbox...
11:53:48LinusNall plugins are included in the rockbox distribution
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11:54:06vitalsparkthat explains it
11:54:19*LinusN would like support for jpg album art in the core
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11:54:37vitalsparkwonder why they went for bmp when the standard ipod firmware supports jpg
11:54:43markunsufjan stevens, screwing with people who rip his CD's by using track names like: The Black Hawk war, or, How to demolish an entire civilization and still feel good about yourself in the morning, or, We apologize for the inconvenience but you're going to have to leave now, or, "I have fought the big knives and will continue to fight them until they are off our lands!"
11:55:10vitalsparkthought rockbox was supposed to be better
11:55:17LinusNvitalspark: i'm pretty sure that the ipod firmware doesn't use jpg, but the jpg files are converted by itunes when you synch the database
11:55:59vitalsparki didnt use iTunes
11:56:05vitalspark(I dont think)
11:56:28vitalsparki cant remember what i used lol.....used mediamonkey with rockbox to transfer
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11:57:06vitalsparkthere should be a prog to dl to ipod that will convert all album art (so dont have convert on puter)
11:58:36LinusNsounds like a waste of time and battery to let the poor ipod do the work
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11:59:29vitalsparklol maybe...but i want jpgs on the puter to stay jpg
12:00:25LinusNof course, that's why you only convert the jpg that are on the ipod disk
12:00:27cool_walking__If someone was going to write an app to convert jpg to bmp, they might as well just implement jpg in the core instead...
12:00:52LinusNi'd like rbutil to do that
12:01:28cool_walking__clarification: a rockbox app, that is
12:01:53LinusNthere are several disadvantages to adding jpg support to the core
12:02:00vitalsparkpray tell
12:02:08LinusNwaste of memory and battery are two
12:02:24LinusNsome album art jpgs are quite big
12:02:36vitalsparkarent they smaller than bmp
12:02:50LinusNi'm talking about dimensions
12:03:01LinusNand rockbox would have to load the huge jpg, decode it and scale it down in realtime
12:03:22LinusNwasting buffer space and battery
12:03:48vitalsparkhow about rockbox auto-resize & save to new size when it first encounters a new jpg
12:03:58LinusNvitalspark: that's a good idea
12:04:14LinusN"artcache" :-)
12:04:54*LinusN goes to lunch
12:04:57vitalsparkwhilst i've got someone who seems to know what theyre talking about....
12:05:02vitalsparkoo have u got 1 sec ?
12:05:06LinusN1 sec, sure
12:05:15LinusNtime's up
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12:05:17vitalsparkwell maybe 1 min would be more appropriate
12:05:42markunvitalspark: just ask, he can always answer when he comes back from lunch
12:05:50*LinusN waits for the question
12:05:50vitalsparklol k
12:05:58vitalsparkstupid Q
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12:06:10markunthe time pressure is getting to him..
12:06:14vitalsparkjust wondering when i load up a new theme etc from the zip (from
12:06:29pixelmavitalspark: don't make LinusN starve ;)
12:06:35vitalsparkand apply new theme from ipod menu, it seems to apply everything except the wps
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12:06:55vitalsparki go to the add new wps option, but it still keeps the same format (though with the updated colours)
12:07:03LinusNvitalspark: many of those wps:es are incompatible nowadays
12:07:04markunvitalspark: if the WPS can't be loaded you don't get a warning but it just doesn't load it :)
12:07:16vitalsparkwhy wouldnt it load ?
12:07:27markunmaybe a splash "WSP couldn't be loaded" wouldn't be a bad idea
12:07:28LinusNthe wps format changes once in a while
12:07:30vitalsparkrockbox recognises it and displays it in the menu
12:07:44pixelmavitalspark: might be a broken WPS, which one did you try?
12:07:52*LinusN is off
12:07:52vitalsparktried 2
12:07:54vitalsparkjust tried
12:08:00vitalsparkthanx linusn
12:08:06vitalsparktried iPod blue
12:08:16vitalsparkand also iRocker
12:08:34vitalsparkboth themes/font worked, but the WPS (though it changed colour) was still the same as before
12:08:54vitalsparkeven after i went specifically to "browse wps files" in rockbox & selected it
12:09:11vitalsparkshouldnt it automatically use the new wps if you are selecting a new theme ?
12:09:26markunvitalspark: not if the WPS is broken
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12:09:49vitalsparkcoincidence that the 2 I tried were both broken
12:09:54vitalsparkmaybe I will try some more
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12:10:06pixelmaif the wps file contains errors it'll fall back to the default one that's why it looks as if nothing's changed and those 2 are quite old I think - so it's more likely that there are errors
12:10:10vitalsparkcan you confirm that i do not have to select wps separate if I select new theme ?
12:10:13peturtry one that comes with rockbox in the zip
12:10:27vitalsparkyeah rockbox ones in zip work
12:10:30markunpixelma: let's at least add some feedback to the user
12:11:40vitalsparkgood idea
12:12:43pixelmamarkun: sure I'm all for it - and there were people saying this ever since Nico_P introduced said fallback with the new WPS parser
12:13:05peturand a log of where it fails?
12:13:48vitalsparkhey this theme is quite nice
12:14:06markunvitalspark: which one did you try?
12:15:01vitalsparkthat came with the original zip
12:15:03markunit might become the default theme for rockbox
12:15:25vitalsparkyeah ? its definitely nicer than the existing default imo
12:15:36pixelmathe old parser showed the WPS to the point it was broken - so it also looked completely broken and you could get some idea where the error was
12:15:46BigBambiAnything is nicer than the existing default :)
12:16:24vitalsparklol....yeah i dont understand why the existing default is so bland...would put users off before they had a chance to explore
12:17:11vitalsparkhmm ipod hard disc seems to be going crazy....constant accessing
12:17:17Bagdervitalspark: you don't "understand" it? you read up on the history of the project and the wps and stuff and tried to understand it?
12:17:50vitalsparkeasy tiger
12:17:59vitalsparki was just saying
12:18:56pixelmavitalspark: I think that the bug you asked about earlier becomes even more obvious with an album art them (as cabbie2 is)
12:18:58BigBambivitalspark - rockbox has been going for many years, starting out on the old Archos players. For the original of them, the default makes perfect sense
12:19:15vitalsparkyeah, I can imagine that
12:19:28BigBambivitalspark - Rockbox runs on many more players than iPods, which are a fairly recent addition
12:19:36BigBambiIt is not on iPod project
12:19:50vitalsparkyeah i saw that from the website
12:20:10markunvitalspark: this was one of the first rockbox targets:
12:20:39pixelmathe current default has one advantage - it works with a lot of fonts. It didn't look all that bad with e.g. nimbus-10 on my c200 (so that 8 lines fit on the screen)... yeah, I know the c200 has a much smaller display than an Ipod Video... :)
12:20:42BigBambiThis is why we do not try to replecate the iPod, we want to free the iPod and all the other players (most of which have much better hardware than the iPod incidently)
12:21:03*BigBambi gets annoyed by people assuming rockbox is an iPod thing and no other players exist
12:21:34vitalsparkhey bambi, i didnt assume that dude
12:21:43vitalsparkive seen all the players rockbox supports
12:21:45*markun feels sorry for vitalspark :)
12:21:46BigBambiI meqnt in generql
12:22:04vitalsparki know the team who did it are doing a great job
12:22:26BigBambigah, replace q with a where appropriate. Damn azerty keyboard!
12:22:56markunBigBambi: don't remind me!
12:22:58pixelmapoor BigBqmbi ;)
12:23:21vitalsparkwonder if there'll be a rockbox for the new ipod touch :)
12:23:26BigBambivitalspark: Sorry, I didn't mean to have a go at you, I was just venting. You would be surprised how many people do assume that though.
12:23:41BigBambipixelma, markun: :)
12:24:25vitalsparkyeah i can imagine
12:24:53markunvitalspark: usually someone decides to port rockbox to a target which he already owns or wants to buy. It also involves a lot of luck, skill and time.
12:24:55vitalsparkim a pc user, i dont expect everything to work straight away :)
12:26:08BigBambivitalspark: The point is though, there isn't a rockbox team that decides to do a port, owners do it with help from the existing devs
12:27:07markunBigBambi: although most ports I remember have been started by existing rockbox devs (irivers, ipod, e200, gigabeat)
12:27:33vitalsparkI'm sure it's more complicated than I (with little programming knowledge) can imagine
12:27:55BigBambime too :)
12:27:55markunvitalspark: if you are interested I'm sure you can help out with making rockbox better
12:28:16BigBambii.e. more complicated than I too can imagine, not that you can...
12:28:29*BigBambi is managing to be unintentionally insulting today
12:28:32vitalsparkhe he
12:28:45vitalsparklol dont worry i didnt misinterpret
12:29:22vitalsparkonly way i can see to make rockbox better is by reporting bugs and suggesting changes/features
12:31:16BigBambii.e. help with it
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12:31:30BigBambiThat is another way you can help to make rockbox better
12:31:32markunI noticed that MarcGuay is quite active cleaning up the wiki. Does anyone know if he's also on IRC?
12:31:39vitalsparkah, I see
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12:32:01markunvitalspark: or designing graphics, or trying to think of ways the interface could be improved.
12:32:03BigBambiWe have an excellent manual, but it still needs much done, and the wiki is full of outdated info
12:32:20BigBambimarkun: Don't know, sorry
12:32:37Bagdermarkun: he seems to be around in the forums at least
12:32:43pixelmamarkun: seen him a few times around here (not speaking though) but he's also quite active in the forums
12:33:23BigBambiHmmm, tab complete on the web client is funny - it only takes the last letter typed, so when I tried it with ma for markun, I cycle through the people beginning with a
12:33:44markunBigBambi: yes, I noticed that too when I used it
12:33:48vitalsparkthanks guys I'll take all that stuff on board
12:35:50markunvitalspark: most important job I forgot: becoming our new release manager! :)
12:38:31markunBagder: what do you think of putting on the rockbox front page?
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12:39:07vitalsparkdaily builds, wow
12:39:40cool_walking__As a user, I don
12:39:47cool_walking__'t see the need for a release
12:39:58Bagdermarkun: nah, it would feel a bit too egocentric of me, and I rather prefer to be as off or on topic as I please
12:40:17Bagdercool_walking_: well, lots of other users do
12:40:53markunBagder: I think the things you write are interesting to most rockbox users, but it's not so easy to find.
12:41:20markunbut I can understand if you don't want it
12:42:33markunand isn't the rockbox category always on topic?
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12:49:29amiconnLinusN: Regarding jpeg - they are easier to scale down than bmps, as you can make use of size-reducing idcts (like the jpeg plugin already does)
12:49:56amiconnThat said, adding jpeg support to the core still sounds like overkill to me...
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12:52:17picard_pwns_kirkwill the 2nd generation ipod nano be supported anytime in the near future?
12:52:43Bagdernot likely
12:54:01preglowamiconn: we'll need flexible downscaling for the core anyway
12:54:16preglowadding jpeg to the core sounds like something we need to do to finish the album art support
12:54:26preglowstripped down as far as possible, of course
12:54:30BagderI agree
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12:55:19preglowwe won't need the modified idcts, for example
12:55:35preglowi assume most album art is reasonably sized...
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12:59:53pixelmapreglow: I wouldn't rely on that...
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13:09:10vitalsparkthanks so much for the info guys....gonna go study now but will be keeping an eye on the rockbox site/room
13:09:51amiconnpreglow: Good joke... most embedded album art I encountered so far was rather huge....
13:11:01amiconnI remember one extreme example where the album art made up half the size of the whole mp3.... not because of its resolution though
13:11:35amiconn...but because the very same image was attached several hundred times (!)
13:12:02Bagderhaving the video for the song in the id3 tags is veeeery useful ;-)
13:13:57pixelmahad a song which got two embedded jpgs (front and back cover) both around 350x350 pixels wide...
13:15:38pixelmaand one with a 500x500 png
13:16:19preglowpngs as well, now...
13:16:34preglowjpegs are the most commong, i hope?
13:18:29LinusNspeaking of metadata, shouldn't we change the parsers so they always load the entire tag into memory (MoB)?
13:18:53LinusNexcept for id3 on archos, of course
13:19:14preglowload the entire tag into memory? in what way don't we do that now?
13:19:38LinusNi have heard many examples where we skip tags because they are big
13:19:49preglowahh, yes, the structs need to be redone for that, i think
13:19:52LinusNfor example huge comments in id3
13:20:03preglowthe structs are fixed size right now, with fixed size array members for stuff like comments
13:20:07preglowwe need to make them dynamic
13:20:26LinusNthey need to be pointers into MoB
13:20:53LinusNthe database is another matter, though
13:21:07preglowwhy would the database need to care about comments or other huge records?
13:21:08LinusNi don't know how dynamic it is
13:21:48LinusNi can imagine other records being huge too
13:22:11preglowmyeah, me too, but i can't recall hearing any complaints about it, and i would have thought we'd have heard them by now
13:22:15preglowsince that problem is a current one
13:22:32LinusNlike "The Entire Stockholm Philharmonic Orchestra, directed by mr Lennart Rickardsson, formerly director of the international cricket society"
13:22:51preglowbut yeah, i've got a couple of those
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13:23:37preglowBal-Sagoth - The Dark Liege of Chaos Is Unleashed at the Ensorcelled Shrine of A'Zura-Kai (The Splendour of a Thousand Swords Gleaming Beneath the Blazon of the Hyperborean Empire Part II), for example :)
13:24:03preglowi think i checked once, and the db dealt with it fine
13:24:34idnarBal-Sagoth - [Starfire Burning Upon The Ice-Veiled Throne Of Ultima Thule #07] And Lo, When The Imperium Marches Against Gul-Kotho
13:24:37idnarth, Then Dark Sorceries Shall Enshroud The Citadel Of The Obsidian Crown (Episode: VIII)
13:24:56LinusNlovely :-)
13:25:01pixelmapreglow: the database supports comment tags for a while now (WPS too)
13:25:03BagderI'm sure you have selected klingon when you play those!
13:25:11idnarthrow in the album name for good measure ;)
13:25:46preglowhmm, wtf
13:25:53preglowlang file is bust on my h120 install
13:25:58preglownow, why would it be that
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13:29:21pixelmapreglow: self-compiled? Had problems with a LANG_* string during compiling, make clean and reconfigure fixed it
13:29:50preglowdidn't fix it here
13:29:56preglowsong context screen is broken
13:30:01preglow%s doesn't exist, haha
13:30:05preglowi'll try a good build
13:31:21preglowofficial builds work
13:32:25preglowwell, no
13:32:33preglowthat track title is not dealt with gracefully at all
13:32:39preglowit's chopped off rather nastialy
13:32:43preglownastily too
13:32:52crazy_busI have a e200 I need to unbrick. The thing is I live in Australia and there are two type of firmware. Europe and america. Which would be for me?
13:32:58preglowas befits the music, though
13:36:25markuncrazy_bus: which firmwares are there to choose from?
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13:47:06Bagdercrazy_bus: just pick one, you can always change again later on
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13:47:48crazy_busso it won't brick the player if I choose wrong?
13:47:51DefineByteI would go for European.
13:48:23amiconnBagder: It wasn't a video, just a jpeg, but attached 200 times (or was it 400? Don't remember exactly)
13:48:42BagderI realized that, I was just seeing new potentials!
13:48:46crazy_busbut the European model doesn't include the fm radio I thought. While the australian still had it
13:48:59DefineBytewell there you go then.
13:49:05Bagderthat's not really true
13:49:17Bagderthere are euro models with and euro models without
13:52:13crazy_busso the european firmware on that page would work on both models?
13:53:13Bagdereither way, you can't brick the unit by trying them out
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13:53:46crazy_buscan I brick the player by by putting other things in the recovery partition?
13:55:04Bagderthe e200 models are very hard to brick
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13:55:16crazy_busthat's a relief
13:56:35crazy_busI read that later ipod's have their firmware encrypted and that means rockbox will be very difficult to port to it. If this is so are different brands of players also encrypting?
13:57:02Bagdermany players use different degrees of scrambling and encryption
13:57:29Bagderthe recent ipods have just taken the level to a new extreme
13:58:58crazy_busis that a direction only ipods are taking? Or are other players becoming less rockbox friendly (not that they helped before)
13:59:30BagderI can't say it's a trend universally though, as the recent sansa for example are _less_ encrypted that the previous ones
14:00:12Bagderbut who knows how they work...
14:00:44crazy_busquote: Maybe you think that you are dreaming... but it is reality :) They also want Rockbox ported to a player they have - it has a single-chip solution with an arm9 core. They will give us some players and support.
14:00:58crazy_busis that just a chip or a full player. And did anything become of that?
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14:01:09Bagderthat's a chip
14:01:16Bagdernothing came out of it (so far)
14:01:23Bagderthat chips is what the new sansas use
14:01:41Bagderand some Chinese manufacturer(s) do too
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14:01:50crazy_busso will that mean it will be easier to port to the new sansas?
14:01:59Bagderpossibly, yes
14:02:10Bagderthere are other factors too, but that's a pretty good start
14:02:58crazy_buswhy did they do it. I would have thought that companies wouldn't buy chips for rockbox being ported to them
14:03:24Bagderwhy did who do what?
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14:04:08crazy_buswhy did AustianMicrosystems help rockbox. I would have thought sandisk would not be more to choose them if rockbox works on their chip
14:04:40BagderAMS just wants people to use (buy) their chips
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14:05:30Bagdertime to run, bb tonight
14:05:42crazy_busbuy. Thanks for all your help
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14:21:44crazy_busthere also seems to be a pacific version of the firmware. That seems closer to Australia but says it has asian language support. Now I'm really not sure and will have to try and get all three
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15:38:12svendbWho do I ask about getting write permission on Rockbox twiki?
15:39:01GodEaterWhat's your wiki name ?
15:40:18LambdaCalculus37Work your magic, GodEater. :)
15:40:33GodEatersvendb: done
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16:26:41LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Looks like our newly registered wiki friend has a new port in mind:
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18:47:54B4gderrasher: it seems the build went fine, even if not very fast...
18:48:20rasherYeah, I had make -j ... any chance the on your server could have -j 1 as default, rather than that?
18:49:06rasherSaves me having to edit the vm, and it seems like a more reasonable default
18:49:30rasherThe load was >50, which obviously won't work very well
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18:50:47rasherWith make -j 1 it should be "slightly" faster.
18:52:31rasherNow to find something else to commit
18:52:58pixelmahmm... could be me
18:54:06rasherB4gder: recv2 is a revision behind
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18:54:07pixelmaah, "something" - not "someone" :)
18:54:28rasherWell, by all means, go ahead
18:54:36B4gderyes, palmtopia is slightly silly atm
18:54:43B4gderit has no zip
18:54:54rashershouldn't it only do sim builds then?
18:55:11B4gderI thought he'd fix it pretty quickly so I didn't change the builds
18:55:24rasherAh, makes sense
18:55:33B4gderit only does sh builds
18:55:40B4gderdue to being slow
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18:57:03pixelmarasher: just wanted to test compile one more before I hit enter (shouldn't take too long anymore)
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19:22:40rasher <−− Isn't this table wrong? At least h1x0 supports 2bit bitmaps
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19:23:56preglown1s: oh? any specifics?
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19:27:36rasherpixelma: fancy creating a smaller 2-bit rockbox logo?
19:28:14pixelmarasher: that table is wrong because you can use 24-bit bmps on greyscale too, Rockbox does the dithering...
19:28:27pixelmarasher: what size?
19:28:46rasherpixelma: whichever suits you - a bit smaller than the smallest 2-bit screen (for the logo plugin)
19:29:01rasherMaybe the current logos in use in logo.rock can be "coloured"
19:31:25pixelmahmm, wouldn't want to do that today (got 2 and a half other "projects") but I can keep that in the back of my head in case no-one else has a go
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19:40:35markunhi toffe82
19:41:01toffe82Hello markun
19:41:13markuncan you comment on this?
19:43:35toffe82it is not a pin to pin cable, some signal are crossed
19:44:08markunok, I thought so already
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19:45:09markunis it possible to connect a zif-40 cable to such a flat-cable?
19:46:14markunI mean, soldering will not really be an option, right?
19:47:16toffe82there is 2 option I think : one is a brand new flat cable withe the good connection, the other one is using a connector to interface to the existing connector of the orignal flat cable and from there go to a flat cable with the good wiring
19:48:08toffe82didn't somebody found an adapter for this ? there was something in the mail list ?
19:48:15markunyes, they did
19:48:22markunI don't fully understand your option 1
19:48:40toffe82build a brand new flat cable
19:49:19markunwill the same cable fit in both the gigabeat mobo and the HDD?
19:49:23toffe82but I didn't know if it is possible as some signal will be crossed on the cable, a staight one is easy to do
19:49:54toffe82the cable fit on the hd of the s30
19:50:44markunThe X is also ZIF-40, right?
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19:58:28JoeZ99hi everybody.
19:58:32JoeZ99just a quick - very quick question
19:58:51JoeZ99anyone heard of the Toshiba Gigabyte U series ????
19:59:32JoeZ99can't find rockbox for it, and I'm afraid there's no other gigabyte alike , so I can not "borrow" the port from it.
19:59:33LambdaCalculus37JoeZ99: We know of the GigaBEAT U series. But it's not supported by Rockbox.
19:59:49JoeZ99I see. Well, txs anyway.
20:00:08JoeZ99It looks like something is wrong with these ultra-light-flash-based things
20:00:33JoeZ99because even tle ipod shuffle has issues and it's not very linux-friendly.
20:01:03JoeZ99LambdaCalculus37: thanks for the advice.
20:01:34Horschtthat's because those companies don't care about Linux users
20:01:48Horschtcause Linux users are generealy against DRM
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20:04:15amiconnrasher: Btw, there is no such thing as a 2-bit BMP. BMP only supports the following bit depths: 1, 4, 8, 15/16, 24, 32
20:05:28amiconnThe rockbox bmp loader supports all of these, the only requirement for 15, 16, 24 and 32 bit BMPs is that they must use the canonical bit assignment for the respective depth
20:05:52amiconn(1, 4 and 8 bit BMPs use a palette)
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20:06:55rasherYeah well, I was after display depth, really
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20:09:07amiconnHmm. That table doesn't list the display depths though
20:10:32rasherYeah, I couldn't find a list of display depths, actually, other than DeviceChart which isn't terribly convenient
20:11:00amiconnAnd the statement 'no remote' for the ipods is also wrong (at least the mini G2 definitely supports a remote - but not yet in rockbox)
20:11:10amiconnI actually *have* that remote....
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20:11:32rasherDon't those use the accessory protocol?
20:13:16amiconnThey do
20:13:33amiconnThat protocol is not the big problem though. The PP serial interface is....
20:13:56rasherYeah, I should've said "accessory interface", rather
20:17:34amiconnI should also have a 1st/2nd Gen ipod remote laying around somewhere...
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20:18:14rasherI'm sure cracking the serial interface mystery will win you loads of friends
20:18:14amiconnipl has a serial port driver for PP5002
20:19:37lostlogicwould make me your friend
20:20:00lostlogicwant to be able to remote control my ipod when it's by my receiver
20:20:02rasherI'd have to compile and test every sim to see if my logo.rock changes work.. Maybe it's faster for everyone if I just use the build system for it
20:20:44amiconnWell, if only I would be more interested in remotes....
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20:21:25amiconnAfaik LinusN did a lot of disassembling work on the G5 firmware in order to crack the serial i/f - still no luck
20:22:20scorche|wlostlogic: didnt we just have a short chat about this? ;)
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20:22:56lostlogicscorche|w: yeah, and I'm too stupid to crack the protocol myself ;)
20:23:47scorche|wwell, serial
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20:29:18amiconnToo bad that there seems to be no diag code for the remote ...
20:29:44rasheramiconn: meaning you have to RE the main retailos image?
20:30:28webguest73I've got a mp4-player did it give for mp4's hacks?
20:30:50amiconnProbably, although iirc there is some serial console code in the rom
20:31:20scorche|wwebguest73: sorry, but you arent making much sense...if you are asking if rockbox supports a device called "mp4-player", it doesnt
20:32:12webguest73it give no codes for mp4-players?
20:32:23rasherwebguest73: No.
20:33:22webguest73really, for ipod's (e.g. ipod video) you can download something for rockbox?
20:34:12webguest73But for normal mp4-player not????
20:34:28scorche|wwebguest73: is the device called "mp4-player"?
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20:35:42webguest73yes it's called mp4 Digitalplayer
20:36:00scorche|wthen it is not supported...all the targets that rockbox supports are listed on the front page
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20:37:14webguest73can you say me if it gives other pages were i can watch at???
20:37:29Horschtprobably not
20:38:22webguest73pity, but thank you!!!
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20:40:35webguest73one question i have still, give it workshops were i can learn it
20:41:41Horschtlearn what?
20:42:22webguest73to make something like rockbox
20:42:30rasherI seem to have forgotten something
20:44:42webguest73Horscht exist so something in the web or at books???
20:45:07Horschtthere are lots of books about coding, yes
20:45:25LambdaCalculus37There's plenty of information online about coding as well.
20:45:31LambdaCalculus37Google is your best friend.
20:46:38webguest73i've watched at google but i didn't found anything? At what words should i search??
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20:47:28Horscht"learning code" i'd say
20:47:39LambdaCalculus37Or just start from Wikipedia:
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21:11:14pixelmahmm... the spammer in the ml got through another time
21:15:56LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Yes, I saw that too!
21:16:02LambdaCalculus37Where the hell is it coming from?
21:18:27scorche|wis Bagder at it again?
21:19:44*LambdaCalculus37 shrugs
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21:33:22Daniel_SJdGordon: how can I define the list position, width... in your latest patch? My .vp file doesn't work anymore
21:34:14PaulJamrasher: did you notice the warning on H300 and M5 in logo.c?
21:35:38rasherPaulJam: I did not. Hard to keep track of it with all these false warnings
21:36:41*rasher sighs
21:37:00rasherI don't know what that warning means, or why it appears on those two targets only
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21:39:30rasherCould be the combination of 16-bit display and 1-bit remote, but I don't know how, or what to do about it
21:39:35amiconnrasher: Actually dead easy to spot. Check logo.c line 35:
21:39:37amiconnextern const fb_data remote_rockboxlogo[];
21:39:46amiconnThat *must* be fb_remote_data
21:40:03*rasher boggles
21:40:12rasherWhy no problem for h1x0 then?
21:40:21amiconnAnd I really don't understand why plugin authors don't use the generated .h files for the bitmaps - it's soooo much easier....
21:40:44amiconnBecause for H1x0, fb_remote_data and fb_data are both unsigned chars
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21:40:53amiconnSame for X5 - both are unsigned shorts
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21:41:07rasherM5, you mean?
21:41:15amiconnBut on M5, main -> char, remote -> short. Other way round on H300
21:41:28amiconnNo, the X5 does *not* have the warning
21:41:31rasheramiconn: Generated .h files?
21:41:42amiconnThe warning appears if fb_remote_data != fb_data
21:41:58amiconnAnd that precisely applies to the M5 and the H300 - no others
21:42:20pondliferasher: Do you have a VMWare build server? Or did I misunderstand?
21:42:59amiconnrasher: Check e.g. what pixelma did in her latest sliding_puzzle commit, or how solitaire handles it...
21:43:06rasherpondlife: I do - it's the one running (somewhat poorly, but my hw isn't exactly cutting edge) as
21:43:19pondlifeUsing which VMWare image?
21:43:38rasherpondlife: My own minimal one - I should find somewhere to upload it..
21:43:47rasheramiconn: Guess I've been looking at the wrong plugins for examples
21:43:47*pondlife was hinting as much
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21:43:55amiconnAnd take a look at <build-dir>/bitmaps and <build-dir>/pluginbitmaps...
21:44:21pondlifeFor some reason, the VMs that GodEater has spent hours creating for me fail to have an ethernet adapter.
21:44:46amiconnThat'll save you a ton of #defines, and the need to decalre the bitmaps explicitly
21:44:48pondlifeBut the original one from the wiki works.
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21:45:39rasherBagder: Guess you should remove my build server again, it's not terribly helpful, and I won't be running it on a regular basis
21:47:20amiconnIt'll also auto-protect you from size mismatches
21:47:59rasherI actually looked for something like that, but failed to notice the .h files and only looked in the generated .c
21:48:50pixelmathis help to get rid of a ton of per display defines of *_WIDTH etc. in brickmania for example
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21:56:58advlaptop2019is seeking on the broken on the e200 with the latest build
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22:13:51BenniBoyajust a question, what platform was rockbox originaly made for?
22:14:20DefineByteArchos, I assume.
22:14:30Domonokyarchos players..
22:14:31DefineByteyou mean the model?
22:16:14BenniBoyano i was just curious qhat brand
22:21:34Domonokythe brand of the players doesnt really matter for rockbox, it depends more on whats inside a player.. :-)
22:21:39amiconnrasher: Unless I overlooked something, the version that didn't use the .h file wouldn't have worked properly on several targets
22:22:07rasheramiconn: Gah, what did I do now? And did using the .h file fix it?
22:22:10amiconn(there wereless different logo size definitions in logo.c than actual bitmaps)
22:22:23amiconnIt should
22:22:29amiconnI'm about to check
22:23:36rasherAnd I even drew up handy ascii diagrams to make sure I got it right. Might as well just revoke my commit rights now
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22:24:24amiconn#if LCD_DEPTH == 16 / #define LOGO_WIDTH 128 / #define LOGO_HEIGHT 40 (old code)
22:24:40amiconnBut the H10 logo is smaller... the .h file usage fixes that problem
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22:24:48amiconnSmall H10 I mean
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22:28:19BenniBoyado you know how your ment to put this - "export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH" In the /etc/profiles file, are you ment to changed PATH to where your rockbox folder is?
22:29:13rasherNo, you're meant to put exactly what it says
22:30:21BenniBoyai end up having to type that into terminal while im in my build folder, 4get t, il love
22:35:56BenniBoyahey is LinusN here?
22:37:57scorche|wis there something specific you needed him for?
22:39:02Bagderhe's here in spirit! ;-)
22:39:04BenniBoyahe was helping em earlier
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22:39:47markunI made a small patch to give a least some feedback when the WPS failed to load:
22:39:51markunis it ok to commit?
22:40:34markunBenniBoya: commit == add to rockbox. But the question was not for you :)
22:40:49BenniBoyai know, i just wanted to know what it ment
22:40:55markunah, ok
22:41:00Bagdermarkun: perhaps the reason shouldn't be "failed to load"
22:41:14Bagderat least not if it happened due to syntax error(s)
22:41:35fraseyboyHi, I have a Toshiba Gigabeat F20 with rockbox installed and I'm trying to get the EscapePodGB-AA theme working but it doesn't seem to work. There's no images or anything.... Like when i go into a song and goes into the playing screen there's like no theme...
22:41:56fraseyboyIt says that it needs 'AlbumArt, BMP Resize, & Scrolling Margin Text patches' applied. Maybe thats why?
22:42:02markunfraseyboy: probably the WPS doesn't load because the syntax changes now and then
22:42:28markunor maybe because you don't have those patches yes
22:42:29fraseyboyhow can i get those patches?
22:42:30scorche|wfraseyboy: that is exactly why..
22:42:50fraseyboyhow can i get an install the required patches?
22:43:10markunBagder: _wps_data_load could return an integer so we can print what exactly went wrong
22:43:53BenniBoyahey in the bootloader, does this line ned to be changed at all?
22:43:54BenniBoyarc=load_firmware(loadbuffer, BOOTFILE, MAX_LOADSIZE);
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22:44:17peturmarkun: for authors it might be better to also give at least the line number?
22:44:19scorche|wfraseyboy: well, there is a link on the side of the page that says "patches" and there are guides on how to patch in the wiki
22:44:27fraseyboyoh ok il try that
22:44:52markunpetur: yes, could be useful
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22:47:15bird603568ok maybe im misunderstanding some posts in the forums
22:47:52bird603568but from what i understand to flash the e280v2 all i do is put the in the root of it
22:47:55bird603568but that doesnt work
22:48:10bird603568when i unplug it it just says refreshing database
22:48:12krazykitbird603568, the e280v2 isn't a supported target. what are you trying to do?
22:48:41scorche|wthe list of supported targets are on the front page..
22:49:04krazykitbird603568, you can determine if it's v2 by viewing the firmware version. v2 have 03.x.x firmware versions.
22:49:08bird603568then whats all this v2 crap im seeing on the forums?
22:49:21bird603568its a v2 im not retarded
22:49:25krazykitbird603568, they're working on porting it. you're reading the New Ports forum
22:49:28markunpetur: I guess in print_debug_info could be reused for that, do we still need to print it to the console if we show a splash?
22:49:36rasherBagder: if you haven't removed my buildserver already, just leave it - I'm setting up a client on the same machine - except in native Linux this time
22:49:36bird603568i know im reading them too
22:50:30bird603568To upgrade to a custom firmware image, at least on the e200v2 players you simply put the firmware image (named e200pa.bin) in the root directory and then unplug USB.
22:50:33bird603568doesnt work
22:50:39bird603568just sits there afterwards
22:50:41peturmarkun: don't know what print_debug_info shows.
22:50:42rasherShould be more useful (although it's still not the fastest machine in the world)
22:50:55scorche|wbird603568: rockbox doesnt work on those devices yet..
22:51:05bird603568then why does it say so?
22:51:13scorche|wwhere dioes it say that?
22:51:19JdGordon|wit specifiically says it DOESNT!
22:51:23rasherbird603568: It doesn't.
22:51:30JdGordon|wSanDisk: Sansa c200, e200 and e200R series (not the v2 models)
22:51:31bird603568"at least on the e200v2 players"
22:51:36JdGordon|wfrom the rockbox frontpage
22:51:38bird603568see the v2
22:51:48scorche|wthat is information for forming a new port..
22:52:02scorche|wi see nowhere saying that rockbox works on the v2
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22:52:11bird603568thanks because it doesnt
22:52:15*scorche|w winces at his own grammar
22:52:17bird603568this is some guys version
22:52:17JdGordon|whaha omg.... ok.... the v2 isnt a differnt model.... its the e200v2 and the c2−−v2
22:52:22advlaptop2019bird603568, <JdGordon|w> SanDisk: Sansa c200, e200 and e200R series (not the v2 models) from the rockbox frontpage
22:52:31Bagderbird603568: it's not "some guys" version
22:52:40Bagderit's my page documenting v2 details
22:52:45bird603568 <−− it says version 2 at the top
22:53:02markunBagder == daniel
22:53:05scorche|wbird603568: the owner of that page is telling you what that page is...
22:53:05BenniBoyahey can someone here build me a certain bootloader
22:53:16BenniBoyajust the ipod one with a little modification
22:53:16bird603568Bagder: thanks a whole lot on working on this
22:53:31bird603568i really appreciate it
22:53:35bird603568its a nice player
22:53:38markunBagder: allright, because you asked so nicely
22:54:20markunthat was for BenniBoya
22:54:20bird603568so its just some page for docs even tho it says to upgrade to a custom image do this?
22:54:26bird603568so i should just ignore it and wait?
22:54:45markunbird603568: if you can help out that would be even better than waiting of course
22:54:45Bagderbird603568: again: "it's my page documenting v2 details"
22:54:53Bagderfeel free to help us improve it
22:55:01scorche|wbird603568: it isnt saying to do is saying *how* it can be done
22:55:26bird603568well im just saying the name it to e200pa.bin doesnt work on mine
22:55:29scorche|wthe "custom image" still has to be made
22:55:30markunBenniBoya: so, which change?
22:55:55BenniBoyai wanted to change it so rockbox boots with the hold switch on and ipod without
22:56:04BenniBoyaive been trying for ages and it doesnt seem to work
22:56:07markunand "the ipod one" == ipod nano?
22:56:27markunok, give me a second
22:56:33bird603568Bagder: i take that back .14 doesnt work on the sansa
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22:56:35markunor a few minutes :)
22:56:36bird603568.11 does
22:56:51scorche|wbird603568: and what would you be naming to e200pa.bin?
22:56:52bird603568i just got a e280 today and just updated the firmware
22:56:56BenniBoyathe part that boots the firmwires is at the end of ipod.c I think
22:56:57bird603568hopefully it will help
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22:58:53markunhave fun with it
22:58:53BenniBoyaand install it with ipod patcher?
22:59:07markunI have no idea how to install ipod bootloaders
22:59:14BenniBoyaok ill give it a try
22:59:17BenniBoyai think i know how
22:59:18markunscorche|w: do you know?
23:00:46scorche|wboss just walked in...cant chat...
23:00:55krazykitBenniBoya, i think there's a command line switch for ipodpatcher.
23:01:41*pondlife makes a button on scorche| |w's task bar flash
23:02:04BenniBoyahey markun thanks, thers only one problem
23:02:13BenniBoyathe backlight isnt as...light as normal
23:02:25BenniBoyaoh sorry
23:02:25markunBenniBoya: I didn't change it
23:02:28BenniBoyait is
23:02:47markunnow go play your games :)
23:02:53BenniBoyacould you send me the ipod.c so I can see what ive been doing wrong?
23:03:14markunMaybe a patch is more clear?
23:03:21BenniBoyaumm yea
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23:03:24markunor will you compare them in 2 editors?
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23:03:41BenniBoyaill look at the patch
23:03:56BenniBoyai like ur speakers
23:04:03markunthe patch looks a bit funny :)
23:04:13markunBenniBoya: I still haven't finished them unfortunately
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23:04:24BenniBoyathey look good
23:04:27markunthey have been in the 'almost finished' stage for a long time
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23:04:40markunmy amp is still in the cartboard box ;)
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23:04:58BenniBoyayea i can see that
23:05:07markunbut it's getting off-topic
23:06:18markunI changed less code than it seems from the patch
23:06:53markunjust swapped the code after "if (button_was_held || (btn==BUTTON_MENU)) {" with the code after "} else {"
23:07:04BenniBoyai had tried that, didnt seem to work lol
23:07:13BenniBoyaand if i loaded linux on here that would still work?
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23:07:39BenniBoyaone last question,how dp I aply patches?
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23:08:10scorche|wthe instructions are in multiple places on the wiki..
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23:08:27BenniBoyaok thanks
23:08:32BenniBoyatyvm markun
23:08:41markunBenniBoya: there links are useful:
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23:10:39BenniBoyathis page is AWSOME!
23:11:08JdGordon|w... wouldnt go that far.... its edumacational
23:12:13*markun looks up edumacation
23:12:51DefineByteit's in the urban dictionary so it must be a word
23:12:55BenniBoyahey, is guesstimation a word?
23:12:56JdGordon|wwe dont need no... edumacation.... we dont need no umm...
23:13:08*JdGordon|w really should be getting back to work
23:13:22*BenniBoya sings "another brock in the wall"
23:14:03JdGordon|wcept it was a tree :p
23:14:27BenniBoyai dont have no, thought controle
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23:18:34Bagder"Although Rockbox sucks for a lot of reasons, its ability to play FLACs, an honest-to-God equalizer, and my music actually sounding good are just things that I don't want to do without. "
23:18:59markunsounds golden to me ;)
23:20:38BenniBoyahaha this is kinda funny
23:20:39krazykitof course, it doesn't SAY why it sucks, now does it?
23:20:39BenniBoyaIf you use the wrong device, you might accidentally write to your computer's hard drive! This actually happened to someone.
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23:22:05LloreanWhat install method lets you do that?
23:22:12pixelmamarkun: but how can one understand it if it's on the same page, maybe even below or most famous golden quote?
23:23:31markunpixelma: the BoS one? What about it?
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23:25:22pixelmamarkun: I just thought that "my music actually sounding good" from the blog is quite the opposite...
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23:26:35markunpixelma: well, I still think it's a funny remark, even if it doesn't represent the rest of the post
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23:29:18BenniBoyahey did some1 just add that quote to the wiki?
23:30:17scorche|wBenniBoya: please use real english in here.. (no some1, 4get, etc)
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23:31:59markunTook me a while before I understood what "ne1" was. First I thought it was a strange was of saying "no one".
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23:32:47BenniBoyaoh sorry
23:33:02DefineByte'laughing out loud'
23:33:11BenniBoyaaww cant I say lol?
23:33:35BenniBoyaDONT TAKE MY LOL AWAY!!!!
23:34:08markunBenniBoya: as long as you are really laughing while you type it I don't mind :)
23:34:32scorche|wBenniBoya: caps too...
23:34:39BenniBoyasmirking out loud
23:35:11markunBenniBoya: if you really want to piss off scorche|w: all the hints are in here:
23:35:11BenniBoyai guess i cant say rofl either, I cant be rolling on ground laughing if im writing the message
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23:36:53BenniBoyai gota go
23:36:56BenniBoyathanks for all the help
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23:38:05*scorche|w puts down the sidearm
23:39:05toffe82_is this a good one for rockbox
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23:39:24toffe82_or this one :
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23:42:34Bagdertoffe82_: it's really hard to tell
23:42:37markuntoffe82_: I don't think you can tell if it's a v1 or v2
23:43:07toffe82_I can make an offer at 20$ :)
23:43:45JdGordon|wtoffe82_: I got a 2gb e200 which i dont need anymore if your looking for one... no fm though
23:44:02JdGordon|wand the screen has a small crack in the protetive cover
23:44:24markuntoffe82_: you can also help out with the v2 port :)
23:44:27toffe82_JdGordon : thanks, I am just looking, I didn't really need one but if I find a good deal
23:44:38toffe82_what is the problem with the v2 ?
23:44:48toffe82_I didn't follow so much on the sansa
23:45:03Bagderthe v2s are entirely new beasts
23:47:21toffe82_what cpu do they use ?
23:47:30BagderAS3525, ARM9 core
23:48:01toffe82_sorry, I missed the line :)
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23:56:55pizzahow can I get game boy color roms to work? I made a folder in my rockbox folder and put the ROM in there but I do not know how to start it
23:57:20krazykitpizza, you read the manual which explains everything you need to know.
23:57:20scorche|wpizza: the manual tells you how
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