#rockbox 2008-02-01

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00:00:26	scorche\|w	crazy_bus: i believe rockbox detects whether you have radio or not
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00:01:07	crazy_bus	this player does have a radio inside it
00:01:38	scorche\|w	and you dont get radio in rockbox?
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00:02:03	crazy_bus	I only just unbricked it. I will now install rockbox
00:05:04	pizza	i can't find anything in the manual about the game boy games
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00:06:49	scorche\|w	pizza: well, i sure can...
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00:07:06	scorche\|w	you may also want to look up what a "viewer" is
00:07:54	crazy_bus	how can I install rockbox is the main folder with music on it doesn't come up? This is using kubuntu
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00:09:17	pizza	can you please tell me what section of the manual is on gameboy games
00:09:23	crazy_bus	I changed the usb moe and it now works
00:09:54	crazy_bus	pizza: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-19300010.3.4
00:12:38	pizza	i made a "ROM" folder in my root rockbox folder and the ROM folder has the game but how do I acces the file?
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00:14:56	krazykit	pizza, seriously, read the manual. the section was even linked for you.
00:16:07	crazy_bus	I cant seem to put rockbox on the file. It says Could not make folder /media/Sansa e260/.rockbox.
00:16:44	krazykit	crazy_bus, just unzip the build to /media/Sansa\ e260/
00:17:12	krazykit	er, what says "could not make folder..." exactly?
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00:17:37	crazy_bus	I unzipped it and tried to cut/paste it to the proper place (konqueror)
00:17:53	scorche\|w	just unzip it directly
00:17:59	crazy_bus	I also tried to extract it to the proper folder directly but it wouldn't let me
00:18:11	krazykit	are you sure you have write permissions?
00:19:27	crazy_bus	it's set to owner: can view and modify permissions
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00:24:34	crazy_bus	looks like it's a known problem. Looks like I will have to format it
00:25:40	scorche\|w	huh?!?
00:26:27	crazy_bus	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=480927
00:27:14	crazy_bus	ok. It seems unplugging it and putting it back in seemed to fix it. So I can install rockbox now
00:27:44	krazykit	i was about to say, that sounds more like "ubuntu's automounter is too stupid to mount it right" than a real issue.
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00:34:17	rock1	I want my database to autoupdate when I add music, I go to settings and then to the database area and I set "automatically update" but when I add new music it does not automatically update, is there a way to fix this?
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00:35:01	rasher	rock1: Are you using a recent build?
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00:36:34	rock1	oh, when I downloaded rockbox I got a "current" build
00:36:38	rock1	would that be why?
00:38:18	rock1	When I had downloaded I went to "released" then current build
00:38:28	BigBambi	as you should
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00:39:47	pixelma	rock1: your first reply sounded as if that was a few days ago, is that true and/or have you updated since then?
00:40:07	pixelma	maybe I just misunderstood though
00:40:32	rock1	oh I want to have rockbox automatically update the database when I add new music I went to settings and I set the "autoupdate database" to "yes" but it wont auto update
00:40:49	rock1	pixelma: I installed rockbox last night
00:42:00	rock1	This morning when I added some music It wasnt working so I deleted the "database" files and they refreshed when I booted and showed the music but im just wondering if theres a way where I wont have to do that
00:43:13	rasher	rock1: Did you reboot after adding the music?
00:44:01	rock1	yes I rebooted after adding the music and it wasnt there, since the database files were there after I had accessed the database the first time I thought deleteing them would refresh it and show the music (which it did)
00:45:28	rasher	Actually, you sort of need to reboot twice. First when you disconnect, Rockbox will boot - it will now update the database. After it's done (disk activity icon goes away), you need to reboot again, and now the music should be there.
00:45:56	rock1	oh
00:45:59	rock1	il ltry that
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00:49:37	rock1	awesome!
00:49:38	rock1	it works
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00:49:40	rock1	thanks :)
00:50:05	rasher	It's not completely intuitive, but it's done to avoid a loooong holdup when booting
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00:50:19	rock1	ah
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01:00:35	n1s	preglow: http://pastebin.ca/886867 this is the mail i got (and the one I sent)
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01:09:48	crazy_bus	I have folders on the e200. But half of them are missing in rockbox's file view. Why is this?
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01:15:23	BigBambi	crazy_bus: I suspect they are marked as hidden
01:16:17	crazy_bus	how do you unmark them?
01:16:56	jac0b	to change the playlist folder do we put the entry in the config.cfg
01:19:35	rasher	crazy_bus: Using your computer (Explorer, Nautilus, Konqueror −− your filemanager of choice). But the OF will re-hide them when booted.
01:21:21	crazy_bus	can you create folders that wont become hidden?
01:21:54	BigBambi	yes
01:22:10	BigBambi	Give them a different name
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01:26:28	crazy_bus	is there anyway to make kubuntu mount the player properly. It sometimes allows write access and sometimes doesn't
01:30:35	BigBambi	ask kubuntu
01:30:51	BigBambi	that is off topic here
01:31:11	crazy_bus	asking their now. Sorry for any bother caused
01:31:23	BigBambi	no bother, just info :
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01:32:54	fraseyboy	Hi, another question, can I make a different font in the main menu than in the rest of rockbox?
01:32:59	fraseyboy	I want to make the menu text bigger
01:33:49	rasher	Not possible.
01:34:04	soap	at this time.
01:34:21	soap	well, it is possible - depending on what you are calling the main menu.
01:34:31	fraseyboy	i mean
01:34:44	fraseyboy	the bit which has files, database, now playing, settings etc
01:34:58	soap	so the menu and the file browser.
01:35:17	fraseyboy	no I mean just the main part
01:35:27	fraseyboy	make the text bigger in the main menu which has all the items on it
01:35:34	fraseyboy	then when i click say 'database' the text is a different size
01:35:47	soap	oh - then no you can't do that at this point in time.
01:36:09	fraseyboy	aah ok
01:36:11	soap	while I didn't let rasher just keep it simple I don't know.
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02:07:11	jac0b	to change the playlist folder do we put the entry in the config.cfg
02:08:24	fraseyboy	Is there a way to change the button configurations?
02:11:34	scorche\|sh	fraseyboy: sure...but you need to compile your own version
02:12:04	fraseyboy	arg
02:12:11	fraseyboy	so there isnt a plugin or anything?
02:12:19	scorche\|sh	no
02:12:27	jac0b	I don't understand this commit from 29 Jan 06:57
02:14:30	soap	used to be two configs, now there is one.
02:14:37	soap	files that is.
02:14:44	jac0b	what file
02:15:20	jac0b	does this change where the playlists will be saved
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02:19:35	jac0b	soap: does this change where the playlists will be saved
02:19:56	soap	it can. You can change the path.
02:20:15	jac0b	where do I put that parameter
02:20:18	soap	in your .cfg file
02:20:20	soap	"use "playlist catalog directory:/path/to/Playlists" in the .cfg "
02:20:38	jac0b	I did that but it doesn't work
02:20:51	soap	pastebin your .cfg file.
02:20:54	jac0b	atleast in the sim
02:21:09	soap	I'll see ya after you test on target.
02:21:19	jac0b	I put that in there but it gets overwritten
02:21:28	soap	and pastebin your .cfg file.
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02:26:21	fraseyboy	Oh also, when my Gigabeat F20 is charging in the dock, it shows a little picture of a plug on the screen... Is there a way to get rid of that and make it so its off when its charging?
02:26:53	markun	no, we don't have control over that part of the gigabeat yet
02:27:01	fraseyboy	aw
02:27:03	markun	it's the bootloader written by toshiba
02:27:10	markun	hopefully soon
02:27:15	fraseyboy	yeah that would be good
02:27:19	fraseyboy	coz i have my gigabeat in my room
02:27:21	fraseyboy	beside my bed
02:27:29	fraseyboy	in the dock
02:27:33	fraseyboy	so its kinda annoying when trying to sleep
02:27:52	markun	you could pull out the charger
02:27:59	linuxstb	You can't charge in Rockbox?
02:28:13	fraseyboy	Dunno
02:28:20	markun	that's also an option (hold MENU which docking)
02:28:27	fraseyboy	oh where is that?
02:28:42	markun	linuxstb: I'm redisinging the settings menu completely. I hope not too many people will get angry with me :)
02:28:51	jac0b	soap: just tried it on the actual player
02:28:53	markun	The main menu was already a bit of a struggle :)
02:29:25	fraseyboy	I wanted to have really really big text scrolling with big icons in the main menu, like the zun
02:29:26	fraseyboy	zune*
02:29:31	jac0b	soap: it does the same thing as the sim I put playlist catalog directory:/path/to/Playlists in the cfg file but RB overwrites the file
02:29:32	fraseyboy	but that aint possibel yet...
02:29:48	linuxstb	markun: What do you mean by redesigning? Just moving the options, or something more radical?
02:29:55	soap	what directory are you trying to save playlists in, jac0b?
02:29:59	markun	linuxstb: moving, but quite a lot
02:30:12	jac0b	"/Playlists"
02:30:24	markun	I should go to sleep, but I can't stop :)
02:30:29	soap	so your .cfg contains the line "playlist catalog directory:/Playlists"?
02:30:35	linuxstb	markun: I'll wait until I see the new arrangement before commenting ;)
02:30:36	jac0b	yep
02:30:46	soap	not "/path/to"?
02:31:31	jac0b	?
02:31:39	soap	how about "playlist catalog directory:/Playlists/"?
02:31:51	jac0b	hold let me check
02:31:54	soap	I'm using quotes to designate explicit text.
02:32:09	soap	you said " I put playlist catalog directory:/path/to/Playlists in the cfg file"
02:32:20	jac0b	I know that but I have to put "/path/to"
02:32:54	jac0b	that would be wrong
02:33:06	jac0b	I am trying to save to "/Playlists"
02:33:10	soap	and since you won't pastebin your .cfg file I have no idea if you LITERALLY used "playlist catalog directory:/path/to/Playlists" or if you groked that line ment you should use "playlist catalog directory:/Playlists" in your situation.
02:34:17	hcs	rgrok doesn't work well over IRC
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02:35:19	jac0b	http://pastebin.com/d7588d8e4
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02:36:23	jac0b	I tried in the sim with "playlist catalog directory:/Playlists/" didn't work
02:37:10	soap	tried a space after the colon like the other lines? I honestly don't know the answer.
02:37:30	jac0b	tried that earlier before I asked here
02:37:40	soap	you know what - this isn't a stock build.
02:38:02	Owner_	hey I have a Sansa 260ev2 is there any way I can put Rockbox on it? The Main site said not v2 but I googled it and some forums said i could with newest version before I brick my unit I wanted to ask the experts
02:38:03	soap	please don't ask for support of non-SVN stock builds here - this is part of the IRC guidelines.
02:38:49	jac0b	yes it is part of the stock build
02:39:14	rasher	Owner_: The e260v2 isnt supported. Check the front page for a list of supported units.
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02:39:35	Owner_	darn thats what I thought
02:39:57	Owner_	is there a time when it migt become supported?
02:40:02	jac0b	this patch did the same as the commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7542
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02:40:41	soap	whoa Xchat crashed Gnome.
02:41:09	rasher	Owner_: Maybe. It's impossible to tell at this poitn.
02:41:15	soap	Your .cfg file itself appears to claim to have been written by a non-stock build, jac0b
02:41:25	Owner_	ok thanks
02:42:22	Owner_	I know this is off topic but is their any other MP3 player open scoure frimware sites I can check out
02:42:46	jac0b	soap: okay I will try it with no patches
02:43:28	soap	so why did you tell me that .cfg file was from a stock build?
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02:44:31	jac0b	I thought you were talking about the playlist cfg thing not the actual build
02:44:42	soap	ok
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02:46:42	soap	but unless I'm missing something - FS 7542 is NOT how JdGordon did it at all.
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02:48:32	jac0b	okay
02:48:55	jac0b	I am going to try it on a stock build
02:49:12	jac0b	sim and actual player
02:50:38	BenniBoya	hey, if I wanted to load linux from the rockbox bootloader, how would it find linux.bin
02:53:13	A	probably by making a conf file
02:53:37	linuxstb	BenniBoya: It looks in the root of your FAT32 partition, if that's what you're asking.
02:53:57	BenniBoya	as far as I know, the linux.bin is loaded into a ext2 partion
02:54:01	BenniBoya	hmmmm...
02:54:16	linuxstb	It's wherever your bootloader loads it from...
02:54:25	A	+1
02:55:03	BenniBoya	ok i know what im gona do
02:55:16	A	question... where can i find only the boot loader with a menu to select? i know somethings because i readed but where can i found that?
02:55:55	BenniBoya	loader2
02:55:59	BenniBoya	from ipodlinux.org
02:56:23	linuxstb	With a nice IRC channel of their own - #ipodlinux...
02:56:26	A	and for intalling? i have already rockbox
02:56:30	BenniBoya	its ok
02:56:38	BenniBoya	theres something on the site
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02:59:44	A	ipod patcher dont launch on my ubuntu...
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03:00:19	scorche\|sh	"launch"?...how are you calling it?
03:00:40	BenniBoya	chmod +x ipodpatcher
03:00:41	A	loader2 but me, i cant run ipodpatcher
03:00:49	A	kk gonna try that
03:00:54	BenniBoya	i had that problem yesturday
03:00:54	scorche\|sh	and how are you runnign it?
03:01:30	BenniBoya	i dont even know what that command does, but it worked for me yesturday
03:01:50	scorche\|sh	you shouldnt be running commands if you dont know what they do..
03:02:07	BenniBoya	some1 here was helping em along
03:02:09	BenniBoya	me
03:02:18	BenniBoya	think it was LinusN or amicon
03:05:11	A	it dont run...
03:05:25	A	ipodpatcher appear to be a script or something there
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03:08:12	crazy_bus	is it possible for rockbox to pick up a weaker signal than the original firmware. Because there is a lot of static on my e200 compared to my c100 using its original firmware
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03:09:20	crazy_bus	*static on the fm radio
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03:28:40	kkurbjun	anyone around that can help me with this? I am getting some linking warnings that go along the line of: 'function' referenced in section '.section1' of /filename1/ defined in discarded section '.section2.function' of /filename2/. It appears that the functions (the IRQ and FIQ handlers) are being removed from the code and unused. I have tried setting some attributes like noinline and used but that does not seem to help. Does any
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03:30:14	jhMikeS	kkurbjun: __attribute__((used)) may help
03:31:20	crazy_bus	Is there anyway to move a podcast to a different folder once it's been fully listened to. As I don't want to listen to the same one twice
03:31:40	kkurbjun	jhMikeS, I tried that, it didnt' seem to help unforutnately
03:31:48	kkurbjun	I just found something that works though
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03:32:17	kkurbjun	if I add in irq_handler: b irq_handler to ctr0.s it doesn't give me the warnings
03:32:28	JdGordon	soap: what I miss?
03:34:53	soap	jac0b was having issues with the playlist directory setting in his .cfg file.
03:35:01	jhMikeS	kkurbjun: isn't the irq_handler reference in the vector table already?
03:35:09	soap	I wasn't 100% sure of what the line should look like in the .cfg file.
03:35:28	kkurbjun	yeah, but it's in the .vectors section.. I put the b instruction in the .text section in crt0.s
03:35:34	kkurbjun	I don't know why that worked though
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03:36:30	AfroPick	Hey everyone, I have a HUGE problem.
03:36:50	AfroPick	I installed rockbox on my 30GB iPod video.
03:37:05	AfroPick	And now my computer isnt recognizing the iPod as being connected.
03:37:31	cool_walking_	Rockbox doesn't have it's own UMS feature yet, you need to use the Apple firmware to connect to the PC.
03:37:48	AfroPick	Ok, how do I use the Apple firmware?
03:37:55	AfroPick	Mine just booted up into the Apple OS for some reason.
03:37:56	cool_walking_	hold MENU+SELECT
03:38:15	cool_walking_	and flick the "hold" switch on as soon as it reboots
03:38:40	AfroPick	Alright.
03:38:48	AfroPick	And thatll boot me into apples firmware?
03:39:11	cool_walking_	Yep. Reboot it again without the hold switch on, and you'll go back to Rockbox.
03:39:22	AfroPick	ah i see
03:39:25	AfroPick	spiffy.
03:39:36	AfroPick	Thanks a bunch dude, I thought i brokeded my iPod :D
03:39:50	AfroPick	Also, when i try to play DOOM, is says its missing a base WAD.
03:40:06	cool_walking_	You should read the manual.
03:40:38	AfroPick	That would probably help.
03:40:39	cool_walking_	Section 9.1.5. Doom
03:40:48	AfroPick	Anyways, thanks soooo much for helping me.
03:41:18	cool_walking_	No problem
03:41:39	kkurbjun	jhMikeS, would gas optimize two b instructions in a row, does it do anything like that? I think my /solution/ will add in an extra instruction everytime an IRQ/FIQ occurs
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03:43:01	jhMikeS	why is this nescessary?
03:43:55	jhMikeS	it won't optimize it and why would the 2nd one be reached?
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03:47:02	kkurbjun	if I don't include the extra b in crt0.s it makes the branch point to 0x0
03:47:15	kkurbjun	here, let me show you exactly what I'm talking about
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03:48:35	jhMikeS	I think the b instructions should just go at the start of crt0.S instead of being copied.
03:48:46	kkurbjun	http://pastebin.ca/887065
03:49:51	kkurbjun	the fiq_handler and irq_handler are near the bottom after the b main
03:51:10	jhMikeS	that shouldn't need the .vectors section at all I'd think
03:51:48	kkurbjun	I need to have the vectors and init.text section seperate from .text for linking
03:51:56	kkurbjun	because I will be starting from flash
03:52:06	kkurbjun	so init.text has to be linked to 0x0
03:52:17	jhMikeS	This is to flash a gigabeat F?
03:52:23	kkurbjun	and .text has to be linked to 0x3100000
03:52:25	kkurbjun	yes
03:53:22	jhMikeS	All b instuctions are relative anyway but ldr pc, =xxxx isn't
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03:54:15	kkurbjun	yeah, that's what I gathered from messing around with it, I should have been more clear, I am actually using the ldr instructions for irq handler and fiq handler
03:54:32	jhMikeS	could do mov pc, #0 too :)
03:54:50	kkurbjun	but if I take out the b instructions in .text it assembles it as ldr pc,=0x0
03:55:30	kkurbjun	which I don't want, I mean, I can get by without interupts and fiq's, that's what's happening now anyway, I'm just trying to understand why the assembler is doing what it is
03:55:35	jhMikeS	that's awful since 0x0 can be immediate data
03:55:37	kkurbjun	wll, the linker
03:56:17	kkurbjun	yeah, if interupts were enabled, and one occured, the whole thing woud reset
03:56:29	kkurbjun	assuming that the memory hasn't been remapped
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04:01:18	jhMikeS	I also recommend setting all bits in INTMSK since that's the only true disable and the kernel starts taking over cpsr when you start calling it
04:02:21	midgey	jhMikeS: does your most recent commit mean the first limitation listed on PluginMpegplayer is no longer valid?
04:02:29	kkurbjun	jhMikeS: this is the message when I take out the b section: http://pastebin.ca/887083
04:02:55	kkurbjun	I can add that
04:03:11	kkurbjun	I think the cpu resets with all the interupts masked by default
04:04:12	kkurbjun	I mean, it's not a huge penalty, but it's annoying none the less
04:05:34	kkurbjun	it does that when I add in a ,used also
04:06:03	jhMikeS	midgey: If that's the samplerate one, it's invalid now
04:06:18	midgey	jhMikeS: yep, thats the one i was talking about
04:06:24	*	jhMikeS was going to do some editing soon
04:07:08	jhMikeS	it's saying .text is a discarded section?
04:07:40	kkurbjun	no, it's saying that the function in .text is discarded, the rest of the functions are showing up in bootloader.map
04:08:20	kkurbjun	functions in .text that is
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04:16:28	midgey	crazy_bus: you'll have to delete the file manually through the file browser
04:19:02	crazy_bus	is there anyway for rockbox to remove it from a playlist or flag it as being listened to so you don't have to delete it after every episode
04:23:14	Llorean	Doesn't the database have a way to filter files by "not listened to yet"?
04:25:38	crazy_bus	there seems to be one like that. But it mixes up music, podcasts and audiobooks
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04:40:29	kkurbjun	jhMikeS: I think the irq_handler is still being removed
04:40:41	kkurbjun	even with that b instruction...
04:41:04	kkurbjun	or Im looking at the disassembly wrong, which may also be likely
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04:44:49	kkurbjun	it's pointing to b3d8, and at that address I see bx lr
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04:45:40	kkurbjun	and it turns out irq_handler is not showing in th emap
04:45:49	jhMikeS	just that one?
04:45:54	kkurbjun	are all functions supposed to be showing in the .map file?
04:46:01	jhMikeS	nothing static will
04:46:03	kkurbjun	irq and fiq
04:46:25	jhMikeS	it must be declared public
04:46:29	kkurbjun	other functions that I would expect ot be ther eare showing up
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07:48:05	JdGordon	why the heck would the lcd remote show the line selector but the main display shows the cursor?
07:52:09	JdGordon	arg... too tired :'(
07:52:27	JdGordon	and im stuck talking to an empty channel to keep my sanity!
07:53:01	Buschel	it's not empty :o)
07:53:17	scorche	he lies...we are just other voices in your head
07:54:30	JdGordon	yay, i thought that might get some attention
07:54:37	JdGordon	wtf was i tripping on when i coded this?!
07:55:14	JdGordon	1 major-ish bug to fix and im done for the night
07:55:14	JdGordon	!
07:55:26	*	JdGordon looking for testers for the patch
07:56:35	*	JdGordon wonders why the cursor icon cuts off 1 pixel of the list icon if there is no scrollbar
07:57:58	JdGordon	this is one fucked up bug!
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08:11:47	JdGordon	its official... i kick ass!
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08:14:10	DinkyDogg	i've got a question - my mom's ipod (4th gen grayscale)'s wheel doesn't work, is there any way to set up rockbox so that it's possible to navigate entirely with the buttons?
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08:25:21	Llorean	DinkyDogg: If you compiled a custom build, you could possibly manage it, but you'd have to also come up with a solution to the very few buttons you'd have
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08:25:55	DinkyDogg	hmmm
08:26:15	DinkyDogg	sounds like something to try when i have more time
08:26:20	DinkyDogg	good to know it's potentially possible though
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09:24:19	Kevadu	Greetings, anybody here?
09:24:50	markun	half awake :)
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09:26:18	petur	yawn
09:26:26	Kevadu	Well...I have a bit of a problem. I was just playing around with rockbox on my e260 and it crashed, and now I have no idea what to do. The e260 doesn't have a hard power switch as far as I know
09:27:04	Kevadu	So I'm stuck with a blank screen and no way to turn it off
09:27:49	petur	hmmm we need a sansa FAQ page...
09:28:04	markun	petur: like this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaFAQ
09:28:16	markun	but I couldn't find anyhing on resetting
09:28:26	petur	heh, it is missing from the FAQ listing
09:28:45	amiconn	Hold the power button for more than 15 secs iirc
09:28:50	amiconn	(have no sansa myself)
09:29:30	Kevadu	Oh, thanks amiconn
09:29:37	Kevadu	I had tried holding it down, but not that long
09:32:02	Kevadu	Well, I guess that's that. Thanks for the help
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11:36:52	BenniBoya	hey markun, u here?
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11:54:25	BenniBoya	hey
11:54:33	BenniBoya	di u kniw that bootloader u built me
11:54:33	petur	hmmm seems Google is considering a SoC for the southern hemisphere....
11:55:29	LinusN	BenniBoya: was that english? ;-)
11:56:34	BenniBoya	no it was bad typing
11:56:51	BenniBoya	anyone knoe how to install diffutils
11:57:00	LinusN	what os?
11:57:05	LinusN	cygwin?
11:57:26	LinusN	i believe they are called patchutils there
11:57:41	BenniBoya	linux
11:57:43	BenniBoya	debian
11:59:15	markun	BenniBoya: anyway, what about that bootloader?
11:59:58	BenniBoya	when using ti, my ipods backlight isnt as bright as normal, i have to wait untill it turns of for it to become normal again
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12:00:07	BenniBoya	its ok but i was just wondering why
12:00:42	BenniBoya	i was going to install the patch myself but cant get diffutils working
12:01:11	markun	no backlight code was changed afaik. Why do you care so much about the bootloader?
12:01:34	BenniBoya	=i was just interested
12:01:39	markun	ok :)
12:01:53	LinusN	BenniBoya: how about "apt-get install diff"
12:01:59	BenniBoya	ok
12:02:33	LinusN	and "apt-get install patchutils"
12:03:09	BenniBoya	i tried apt-get install patch and it said up to date
12:03:14	BenniBoya	would that be sufficient?
12:03:39	LinusN	think so
12:04:15	BenniBoya	i cant get diff
12:04:27	BenniBoya	its going to uninstall stuff like build-esentials
12:04:33	BenniBoya	because of updates
12:04:40	BenniBoya	is there a way fo installing it manualy
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12:05:18	BenniBoya	actually ill just update it all
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12:32:38	amiconn	markun: The recommended bootloader still sets full brightness, unless I missed something
12:32:49	amiconn	The svn bootloader sets minimum brightness
12:33:58	markun	amiconn: ok, that explains it then
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12:56:55	preglow	rasher: the capitalization convention differs from translation to translation, how can we expect the person that updates english.lang to correctly fix all languages?
12:57:45	preglow	oh, right, updating the source string
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13:02:17	Wyatt	Just real quick, does anyone know a way to easily break an SF2 soundfont into a patchset? The midi rock isn't said to support them as-is...
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14:08:52	drazhar_	hi all
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14:09:22	drazhar_	ive been looking at the site (rockbox.org) and was wondering if RockBox will work with an xclef HD 500
14:09:32	drazhar_	i cant actually find an answer yes or no on the site
14:10:06	pixelma	no, it only works on targets which are listed as "supported" at the top of the front page
14:10:22	drazhar_	aha
14:10:23	drazhar_	ok
14:10:24	drazhar_	thank you
14:10:34	drazhar_	feckin HD500 and its crappy random function!
14:10:41	drazhar_	it would be brilliant for me other than that
14:11:18	LinusN	a golden opportunity for you to start porting rockbox to the hd500 :-)
14:11:27	drazhar_	hahaha!
14:11:38	drazhar_	yeah, i wish i had the low level skills for that!
14:11:53	preglow	never too late to learn
14:12:17	LinusN	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/XclefInfo
14:12:17	pixelma	you could try to find other people who are interested, find info etc...
14:12:41	drazhar_	LinusN: thank you, that is actually the page i just came from!
14:12:47	LinusN	the xclef 500 is pretty similar to the iriver h100
14:13:20	LinusN	with a wolfson codec
14:15:08	LinusN	but as always, it takes a dedicated hd500 owner with the appropriate skills to pull it off
14:15:22	drazhar_	thats very true
14:15:37	drazhar_	and i would think the vast amjority of HD500's are now sitting in dust piles!
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14:15:57	drazhar_	i just inherited mine from someone who bought an iPod before christmas
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14:16:31	drazhar_	its alright, but its random function drives me crazy
14:17:18	drazhar_	but i love that it shows up as an external drive instead of requiring additional software to manage it
14:17:41	markun	drazhar_: are there firmware updates for this player?
14:18:00	drazhar_	There were, but the company that makes them are since gone the way or the dodo
14:18:13	drazhar_	(their website is now a monetization page)
14:18:17	crazy_bus	I plugged the usb cable into my sansa e200 while listening to a podcast. It immediately shut down rockbox without saving a bookmark and loaded the original firmware. Is this a bug or is it meant to do it?
14:18:25	drazhar_	and the player is on the latest firmware available!
14:19:15	drazhar_	there was an open-jukebox project in the works for it, but it seems Novell have bought that, and you require username and password to login to it!
14:20:14	pixelma	crazy_bus: this is what it should do (automatically boot into the OF for USB connection). You can prevent this by holding select while plugging
14:21:55	markun	drazhar_: but are the firmware update files still available? They would be very useful if anyone wanted to do a rockbox port.
14:22:14	drazhar_	eh, yeah somewhere
14:22:31	drazhar_	http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=4965
14:22:36	crazy_bus	pixelma: thanks. I was just worried since it behaved differently when I did it the first time (must of being accidentally holding select)
14:22:54	drazhar_	if someone would like to grab that and put it on the xclef info page it would probably be handy
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15:15:24	TiMiD[FD]	no and you ?
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15:38:44	PaulJam	even though i believe this is a hardware issue, i was wondering if someone else expeirnced a similar behaviour with the h300 non LCD remote. it happened twice, that when remote was connected that after some time (maybe an hour) the volume slowly starts to increase by itself. when pressing the remote volume buttons this stopped.
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15:59:05	markun	hi TiMiD[FD]!
15:59:29	markun	still not getting bored of Japan? :)
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16:00:03	TiMiD[FD]	hi !
16:00:08	TiMiD[FD]	no no !
16:00:17	TiMiD[FD]	a good country :)
16:00:54	TiMiD[FD]	are you bored ?
16:01:09	markun	nope
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16:01:27	TiMiD[FD]	when you'll get bored come here ...
16:01:38	markun	ok ;)
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16:05:39	amiconn	Would be nice to see another cf based target supported... (re the xclef 500)
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16:27:56	pondlife	Does anyone else have problems viewing http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuLayoutDiscussion ?
16:28:12	GodEater	pondlife: nope
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16:28:22	GodEater	pondlife: btw - did you get around to a reinstall of vmplayer yet
16:28:22	pondlife	It seems to be truncated here
16:28:24	GodEater	?
16:28:33	TiMiD[FD]	works ...
16:28:40	pondlife	GodEater: Not yet, no
16:28:48	pixelma	pondlife: which browser?
16:28:56	pondlife	I got another VM image to try from rasher btw...
16:28:58	pondlife	IE7
16:29:11	pondlife	It displays up to Discussion, but then stops
16:29:23	pondlife	Was working fine earlier, I added comments
16:29:24	GodEater	oh well if you will use these proprietary software solutions....
16:29:25	GodEater	:)
16:29:44	GodEater	pondlife: tried a Ctrl-F5 yet ?
16:29:49	pondlife	Yes
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16:30:13	pondlife	The source looks ok.
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16:30:47	pixelma	it is truncated in IE6 too, but works in FF...
16:31:06	pondlife	Hmm, what changed?
16:31:13	pondlife	I can't get to the diff link ;)
16:32:23	pondlife	Should the <comment> tags have corresponding </comment> s?
16:32:25	pixelma	there are a few lines that read "<comment>" which seem to be th culprit, let me
16:32:37	pixelma	try something
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16:34:21	pixelma	is that even a valid tag? Where do they come from and is it safe to just remove them?
16:35:48	GodEater	it's not a valid html tag certainly
16:35:55	GodEater	can't speak for wiki formatting though
16:36:11	GodEater	twiki's tagging system is horridly inconsistent if you ask me
16:37:58	pixelma	pondlife: works in IE6 again for me now, I just removed them
16:38:19	pondlife	Yep, thanks
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16:52:49	TiMiD[FD]	pixelma, Llorean : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8543
16:54:07	LambdaCalculus37	TiMiD[FD]: Nice! Looks useful!
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16:54:31	TiMiD[FD]	LambdaCalculus37: uh ?
16:55:28	LambdaCalculus37	The patch.
16:55:35	TiMiD[FD]	ah ...
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16:55:47	TiMiD[FD]	useful is not the word I would use but ...
16:56:03	TiMiD[FD]	should solve some keymaps problems in the plugins
16:58:04	PaulJam	Hmm, is fast forwarding broken currently (H300)?
16:59:28	at0m\|c	PaulJam, i sometimes encounter the same, esp. when using large playlists and shuffling i think, and usually a start/stop solves it (h340 here)
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17:00:28	at0m\|c	when you arrow up/down, does the graph follow?
17:00:38	at0m\|c	volume graph/indication
17:01:35	PaulJam	yes, a few seconds after i wrote this playback crashed (was hung in a loop?) and after restarting playback fastforwarding worked again. i'll see if i can reproduce this.
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17:02:38	PaulJam	the progressbar moved, but it jumped bac to the current position when releasing the button. fastforwarding by small amounts (30s) still worked
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17:05:21	at0m\|c	exactly
17:05:51	at0m\|c	if that happens here, i just wait - it's like it's still busy, updates later and then works fine again
17:06:19	at0m\|c	keeping on pressing buttons only puts them in the queue and will cause more delay in my experience
17:09:15	PaulJam	do you know how to reproduce this?
17:11:42	at0m\|c	quickly skipping a couple tunes in a rather large playlist at random sure reproduces it here
17:12:15	at0m\|c	the the final tune tag pops up and previous tune keeps playing
17:12:24	at0m\|c	ah, i have 4s xfade too
17:12:54	PaulJam	hmm, for me it happened on the first track of a quite short playlist (15 tracks)
17:13:31	at0m\|c	also if you wait a bit till all is settled? no more disk act. etc?
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17:15:40	PaulJam	i don't think there was disk activity
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17:16:47	broom	Recently there was some talk about the problems with disk spinning, spinlock etc. Has anything been found and problem solved?
17:17:19	GodEater	broom: a problem has been identified, but not solved yet
17:17:52	broom	GodEater: was it the thread sceduling?
17:17:58	GodEater	no
17:19:02	broom	What was it? And isn't the problem identifying 80% of the solution?
17:19:23	GodEater	it's to do with the way threads lock access to resources while they're running
17:19:37	GodEater	and no, identifying this problem hasn't suggested a solution yet
17:19:46	GodEater	not a simple one anyway
17:20:01	GodEater	it's especially obvious on multi-core targets
17:20:08	GodEater	single core targets don't suffer the issue as much
17:20:25	rasher	preglow: I meant that they should fix the "<source>" in all .lang files, so the translators aren't bothered with update notes
17:23:36	rasher	(otherwise genlang would notice that the source has changed, and ask the translator to update)
17:23:36	PaulJam	at0m\|c: do you know if there is already a flyspray task for this problem?
17:24:03	broom	GodEater: 'as much' or 'at all'?
17:24:12	GodEater	"as much"
17:24:46	GodEater	i.e., they suffer them, but not noticealy to the end user
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17:32:59	jhMikeS	GodEater: ?? It hasn't anything to do with spinlocking which only comes into play if two cores actually access a kernel object which doesn't happen in playback sine only one core is being used with one codec excepted.
17:33:00	at0m\|c	PaulJam, no idea
17:33:42	GodEater	jhMikeS: but what about during the dircache and database updates ?
17:34:24	GodEater	I thought this is what LinusN said was causing the issues ?
17:34:52	PaulJam	ok, then i'll open a new task later. i think i have found a reliable way to reproduce this (skipping back or rewinding while rebuffering).
17:34:52	jhMikeS	still done only on CPU and so the corelock never blocks anything. the spin locking is only for mutual exclusion of two different processors.
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17:35:34	jhMikeS	and at that it is only held for a few microseconds
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17:36:08	GodEater	jhMikeS: I must have missed this bit of the conversation
17:36:15	GodEater	so what's causing the issue then ? :)
17:37:14	jhMikeS	I'm not sure since I can't see the buffering behavior in real time. Perhaps the ata driver doesn't yield enough.
17:37:23	pixelma	jhMikeS, GodEater: there might be two or even more issues - I suffer the bug sometimes and only a light form on my c200 with definitely no dircache and no database updates involved
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17:38:49	leftright	would removing ID3 V1 tags completely improve gaples playback ?
17:39:12	GodEater	leftright: not really
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17:39:34	leftright	I get the occassional bump in gapless albums, wondering if that might affect it
17:39:44	pixelma	the only thing that I use and which seems to make things worse is an album art WPS (just a play, I only have like 10 cover.bmps prepared though)
17:39:45	jhMikeS	GodEater: Any chance of posting video of the buffering screen while skipping around in it? :)
17:40:09	GodEater	jhMikeS: I thought of that, but I don't have a decent enough camera to make it legible :(
17:40:18	GodEater	I tried it already
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17:42:12	jhMikeS	I'm still not totally clear on things. Is it the PCM that tends to empty out while filling?
17:42:47	pixelma	TiMiD[FD]: thanks for looking into it. :) But I imagined it a bit differently, seems like I'm unable to explain in short and clear enough words ATM - I try to think of something and maybe comment on the flyspray task.
17:43:19	GodEater	jhMikeS: it looks to me more like that the real and usefl buffers get crazy values
17:43:41	GodEater	either -ve or hugely +ve
17:44:08	jhMikeS	I don't think the kernel is responsible for that. I wonder if handles are being moved while being used.
17:44:53	GodEater	I assume it's some problem in buffering somewhere
17:46:56	pixelma	jhMikeS: I don't get skipping though, only a short time of unresponsiveness during the first buffering after startup and sometimes not resuming from the correct track position but a track start (either current or the next track)
17:51:29	*	jhMikeS thinks the audio thread should have at least PRIORITY_USER_INTERFACE
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19:08:58	futurist	i think the hd is dislodged in my h10−−how would i open it to try to relodge it?
19:09:12	futurist	i think you guys have a page on this but i can't find it
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19:14:04	pixelma	futurist: do you have a 20GB or a 5/6GB H10?
19:14:20	futurist	5
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19:16:49	petur	futurist: there are 4 screws in the battery compartiment, I assume those will give access?
19:17:35	futurist	hum they didn't look like they actually had grooves, lemme check
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19:18:00	futurist	err hey aren't screws, they need an alan key of some kind
19:18:10	petur	they look to be torx
19:18:16	*	karashata nods
19:18:18	petur	very small ones
19:18:38	karashata	either 5 or 6, can't remember exactly off the top of my head
19:18:40	futurist	ones by the headphoen jack as well
19:18:48	futurist	6
19:18:58	futurist	where on earth would i get such a tool and hwat is it called?
19:19:39	karashata	if you get a precision torx set it should come with bits small enough for the H10
19:19:56	karashata	and you can get something like that from any good hardware store
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19:25:05	pixelma	futurist: generally, for irivers there is misticriver forum which has some of "how to open" etc. tutorials. E.g. there is a sticky about disassembling a 20GB H10 (with pictures - http://www.misticriver.net/forums/h-10-h-20-series/ )
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19:31:51	jgay	hi, I was hoping to check out the the trunk of the source repository, but I am unable to find instructions on how to do so. Could anybody help?
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19:32:29	krazykit	have you read the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page?
19:32:31	pixelma	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN
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20:12:59	futurist	ok thanks for the advice guys :-)
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21:18:41	PaulJam	aren't queued items supposed to disappear from the playlist once they were played?
21:19:29	rasher	Certainly
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21:52:42	PaulJam	hmm, looks like when you stop playback and then resume, that the queued track reappears in the playlist and this causes playback to reume at the wrong track.
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22:06:52	BigBambi	PaulJam: That sounds like a flyspray thing to me
22:07:36	PaulJam	yes, ill open a task later.
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22:36:45	AfroPick	Hey everyone, can someone please help me with the Loader 2, its not working for me.
22:37:05	Bagder	AfroPick: that would be the ipodlinux's loader, you should ask them
22:37:10	AfroPick	oh
22:37:28	AfroPick	Does rockbox have anything that you can select which OS you want to boot into besides the hold switch?
22:37:33	Bagder	for rockbox installs, we recommend the manual
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22:44:16	\|NSA\|	for the person from a few weeksback with the c240 who i asked about the radio losing the frequency/tuning out, the patch didnt fix it. and i have another question, does the sound/dsp patch checked in yesturday allow me to play sound without having to skip frames or whatever, so will it stay in sync now?
22:45:05	BigBambi	\|NSA\|: Do you care to rephrase that second part - I don't know what you are on about
22:45:21	\|NSA\|	http://cia.vc/stats/project/rockbox/.message/10d4e3
22:45:40	\|NSA\|	right now if you turn off skip frames, it will play the movie in fast motion, but the sound will be normal speed
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22:45:45	BigBambi	No
22:45:57	BigBambi	As it says, it removes the sample rate restriction
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22:46:25	BigBambi	Which I understand to mean you no longer have to have 44100 Hz audio
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22:47:06	kugel	JdGordon: Are you there?
22:48:23	BigBambi	\|NSA\|: I'm pretty sure what I said is right
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22:51:49	JdGordon\|w	kugel: hi
22:52:07	pixelma	\|NSA\|: interesting, I have no problems with the radio on my c200 since then (I did before). What revision do you run currently?
22:52:30	JdGordon\|w	pixelma: hey, do you have access to a archos player?
22:52:32	kugel	JdGordon\|w: I messaged to your home nick, since I though you wouldn't have time for me anyway if you're at work
22:52:48	JdGordon\|w	depends...
22:53:03	kugel	JdGordon\|w: Anyway, could you please take a look at my comment in lists using viewport as soon as you have time?
22:53:15	pixelma	JdGordon: a player in general yes, not teh Player though
22:54:01	\|NSA\|	pixelma: the one from the night last time i asked, i dont have the player with me atm but it was the one about 2 weeks after the patch that did something with the radio on the sansa
22:54:28	\|NSA\|	after listening to a station for about 10-20 minutes, it starts to lose the frequency
22:54:50	\|NSA\|	if i switch to another frequency and then go back its fine
22:55:20	pixelma	maybe you should file a proper bug report, giving as many details as you can
22:55:46	JdGordon\|w	pixelma: arg.. they didnt pick their target names very well did they :p yeah, I need someone to test the viewportr list patch on the player or ill commit and blame lack of testers if it breaks anything
22:55:47	\|NSA\|	could it be that the radio tower goes from being about 1/4 a mile away to about 1.5 miles, although i doubt that would matter?
22:56:12	JdGordon\|w	kugel: your aproach to do what?
22:56:57	kugel	JdGordon: look at the file please, it basically puts the draw of every list element in a seperate function
22:57:13	kugel	which returns more or less helpful values
22:57:24	JdGordon\|w	ok, ill look when iget home
22:58:04	kugel	cool
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23:00:41	Flamer	some 1 is here?
23:00:58	Bagder	no, all 1s are out, only the 0s are here!
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23:01:13	Flamer	haha funny..
23:01:32	JdGordon\|w	there might even be a 7 here if you look carefully enough
23:01:37	Flamer	my friend told me that you will divelop ruckbox OC for cearive zen vision : w is it true?
23:01:53	Flamer	rockbux**
23:01:59	Flamer	box**
23:02:00	JdGordon\|w	wtf is ruckbox OC?
23:02:15	Flamer	i ment rockbox
23:02:19	Bagder	Flamer: no it's not true, but some early attempts have been made
23:02:23	\|NSA\|	Flamer: wiki ports page
23:02:35	Flamer	what do you mean?
23:02:45	Bagder	what does who mean?
23:02:51	Flamer	NSA
23:03:09	\|NSA\|	on the wiki there is a page detailing the ports people are trying to make i thnk
23:03:24	Bagder	there's a thread the new ports area on the forums
23:03:24	BigBambi	Flamer: Check out the thread in the New Ports section of the forum
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23:03:33	Flamer	ok..
23:04:34	Flamer	i see there jest zen vision:m
23:05:07	Bagder	I thought that was just another typo...
23:05:22	Bagder	I've not seen anyone mention a vision w porting effort
23:05:37	JdGordon\|w	Flamer: please stop butchering the english language
23:05:40	Bagder	meaning that you can be first!
23:05:51	Flamer	i am starting to hate the fact that i dont have any games and cool themes on my zen vision : w
23:06:35	Flamer	my english suck what i can do about it?
23:06:50	\|NSA\|	then buy an iphone? complaining in here will not get a port done. and jdgordon wanted you to read http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines
23:07:43	Bagder	I'd rather recommend a player that already runs rockbox fine
23:08:41	Flamer	i bought it 4 months ago..
23:08:53	Flamer	:)
23:08:54	linuxstb_	Knowing it didn't have games and cool themes?
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23:09:02	Bagder	rockbox existed then too...
23:09:26	Flamer	ok, i have to go bye bye..
23:09:40	Flamer	thank you for help.
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23:14:34	midgey	JdGordon: any idea of the binary impact from viewport lists?
23:15:08	JdGordon\|w	nope
23:15:22	JdGordon\|w	oh, i missed you last night... good luck with ms
23:15:52	JdGordon\|w	I'm guesssing it will be green for player and red for eveything else
23:16:50	midgey	a glimmer of hope in an ocean of red
23:17:01	JdGordon\|w	yeah
23:17:10	JdGordon\|w	worth it though imo
23:17:23	JdGordon\|w	... not that I ever really cared about the red :p
23:17:30	midgey	i'm waiting to hear back from ms to see if i get to go out to seattle. i'm not sure how likely that will be
23:18:04	midgey	were you planning on taking a look at customizable a statusbar as well?
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23:20:10	crzyboyster	Will the unifont version of cabbie also be committed?
23:21:10	JdGordon\|w	midgey: eventually... I'm not sure how best to do it... im split between going the full wps style customization or just themable icons like the menus...
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23:27:05	crzyboyster	So are there plans to commit the unifont version of cabbie 2.0 or to offer it as a seperate download?
23:27:33	midgey	i had a look at it a while back and i had the same dilemma. i felt like wps-style would be nice, but it might be overkill
23:28:10	BigBambi	crzyboyster: You only need to ask once
23:28:24	JdGordon\|w	it all depends on how flexible the wps parser is... and seen as we eventually want to be able to use that for the fm and rec screens its probably worth investigating
23:28:43	BigBambi	And by putting it on the wiki (or soon the new rockboxthemes site) it will be available for download
23:28:50	JdGordon\|w	I think Nico had a look but dont remember how far he got
23:29:47	crzyboyster	Thanks for responding, guys! Take a look at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10030.msg113777#new Does it look alright to you?
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23:32:42	BigBambi	crzyboyster: Looks fine from that, but I would have to try on target to comment properly - they always look different
23:34:08	crzyboyster	Do yuo think that I should remove the "NEXT" image and put in the "Next Track:" text to be consistent with all the other ports?
23:34:40	BigBambi	I'm not sure
23:35:03	BigBambi	Consistency is good, but grey scale screens often benefit from a bit of breaking up
23:35:20	BigBambi	What does it look like with the text instead?
23:35:33	crzyboyster	Let me get a screen...
23:40:22	crzyboyster	Here you go: http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/43263/2004753093264395359_rs.jpg
23:41:43	BigBambi	crzyboyster: That is a massive sign saying, "temporarily unavailable"
23:42:35	crzyboyster	Loads fine for me... I will upload someplace else...
23:43:41	midgey	works fine here too
23:44:27	crzyboyster	Here we are: http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3645/dump080201163829ru0.png
23:44:51	BigBambi	that one is fine
23:45:30	BigBambi	Hmmm - I like that it doesn't look like another line of info with the bar not test, but I am all for consistency
23:45:37	BigBambi	I remain not sure :)
23:46:35	crzyboyster	I personally like it as a lot of other ports have the info aligned/put in exactly like that
23:47:10	crzyboyster	And with the bar, there's a lot of empty space floating around
23:48:52	BigBambi	yeah
23:49:02	BigBambi	As I say, I have no strong opinion either way
23:49:39	crzyboyster	I'll remove the bar then for the sake of consistency. Anyone have problems with this?
23:49:51	midgey	as an aside, i feel the gigabeat version of cabbie 2 needs a bit of work
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23:50:16	crzyboyster	midgey: Yes, I agree. Maybe I'll fix that one up next?
23:50:18	BigBambi	Yeah, the font is too small :P
23:50:28	BigBambi	(I know others think it is too big)
23:50:46	crzyboyster	Does the helvR font family get bigger than that size?
23:50:56	BigBambi	But I have my amended copy and I like that :)
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23:51:07	BigBambi	crzyboyster: Don't know, I use ter16 something
23:51:40	midgey	switching to ter-u16b makes it a bit better
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23:52:27	BigBambi	midgey: I switched to ter-u16b, altered the album art size a bit, cut some pointless info
23:53:11	midgey	imo, if we want to display the time, seconds are a bit superfluous
23:53:16	BigBambi	midgey: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGigabeatF#Cabbie_BB is my effort
23:53:55	BigBambi	and actually I agree about the seconds, just didn't bother to remove them

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