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#rockbox log for 2008-02-01

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00:00:26scorche|wcrazy_bus: i believe rockbox detects whether you have radio or not
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00:01:07crazy_busthis player does have a radio inside it
00:01:38scorche|wand you dont get radio in rockbox?
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00:02:03crazy_busI only just unbricked it. I will now install rockbox
00:05:04pizzai can't find anything in the manual about the game boy games
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00:06:49scorche|wpizza: well, i sure can...
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00:07:06scorche|wyou may also want to look up what a "viewer" is
00:07:54crazy_bushow can I install rockbox is the main folder with music on it doesn't come up? This is using kubuntu
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00:09:17pizzacan you please tell me what section of the manual is on gameboy games
00:09:23crazy_busI changed the usb moe and it now works
00:12:38pizzai made a "ROM" folder in my root rockbox folder and the ROM folder has the game but how do I acces the file?
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00:14:56krazykitpizza, seriously, read the manual. the section was even linked for you.
00:16:07crazy_busI cant seem to put rockbox on the file. It says Could not make folder /media/Sansa e260/.rockbox.
00:16:44krazykitcrazy_bus, just unzip the build to /media/Sansa\ e260/
00:17:12krazykiter, *what* says "could not make folder..." exactly?
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00:17:37crazy_busI unzipped it and tried to cut/paste it to the proper place (konqueror)
00:17:53scorche|wjust unzip it directly
00:17:59crazy_busI also tried to extract it to the proper folder directly but it wouldn't let me
00:18:11krazykitare you sure you have write permissions?
00:19:27crazy_busit's set to owner: can view and modify permissions
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00:24:34crazy_buslooks like it's a known problem. Looks like I will have to format it
00:27:14crazy_busok. It seems unplugging it and putting it back in seemed to fix it. So I can install rockbox now
00:27:44krazykiti was about to say, that sounds more like "ubuntu's automounter is too stupid to mount it right" than a real issue.
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00:34:17rock1I want my database to autoupdate when I add music, I go to settings and then to the database area and I set "automatically update" but when I add new music it does not automatically update, is there a way to fix this?
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00:35:01rasherrock1: Are you using a recent build?
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00:36:34rock1oh, when I downloaded rockbox I got a "current" build
00:36:38rock1would that be why?
00:38:18rock1When I had downloaded I went to "released" then current build
00:38:28BigBambias you should
00:39:00*BigBambi comes in late and misses the problem
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00:39:47pixelmarock1: your first reply sounded as if that was a few days ago, is that true and/or have you updated since then?
00:40:07pixelmamaybe I just misunderstood though
00:40:32rock1oh I want to have rockbox automatically update the database when I add new music I went to settings and I set the "autoupdate database" to "yes" but it wont auto update
00:40:49rock1pixelma: I installed rockbox last night
00:42:00rock1This morning when I added some music It wasnt working so I deleted the "database" files and they refreshed when I booted and showed the music but im just wondering if theres a way where I wont have to do that
00:43:13rasherrock1: Did you reboot after adding the music?
00:44:01rock1yes I rebooted after adding the music and it wasnt there, since the database files were there after I had accessed the database the first time I thought deleteing them would refresh it and show the music (which it did)
00:45:28rasherActually, you sort of need to reboot twice. First when you disconnect, Rockbox will boot - it will now update the database. After it's done (disk activity icon goes away), you need to reboot again, and *now* the music should be there.
00:45:59rock1il ltry that
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00:49:38rock1it works
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00:49:40rock1thanks :)
00:50:05rasherIt's not completely intuitive, but it's done to avoid a loooong holdup when booting
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01:00:35n1spreglow: this is the mail i got (and the one I sent)
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01:09:48crazy_busI have folders on the e200. But half of them are missing in rockbox's file view. Why is this?
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01:15:23BigBambicrazy_bus: I suspect they are marked as hidden
01:16:17crazy_bushow do you unmark them?
01:16:56jac0bto change the playlist folder do we put the entry in the config.cfg
01:19:35rashercrazy_bus: Using your computer (Explorer, Nautilus, Konqueror −− your filemanager of choice). But the OF will re-hide them when booted.
01:21:21crazy_buscan you create folders that wont become hidden?
01:22:10BigBambiGive them a different name
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01:26:28crazy_busis there anyway to make kubuntu mount the player properly. It sometimes allows write access and sometimes doesn't
01:30:35BigBambiask kubuntu
01:30:51BigBambithat is off topic here
01:31:11crazy_busasking their now. Sorry for any bother caused
01:31:23BigBambino bother, just info :
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01:32:54fraseyboyHi, another question, can I make a different font in the main menu than in the rest of rockbox?
01:32:59fraseyboyI want to make the menu text bigger
01:33:49rasherNot possible.
01:34:04soapat this time.
01:34:21soapwell, it is possible - depending on what you are calling the main menu.
01:34:31fraseyboyi mean
01:34:44fraseyboythe bit which has files, database, now playing, settings etc
01:34:58soapso the menu and the file browser.
01:35:17fraseyboyno I mean just the main part
01:35:27fraseyboymake the text bigger in the main menu which has all the items on it
01:35:34fraseyboythen when i click say 'database' the text is a different size
01:35:47soapoh - then no you can't do that at this point in time.
01:36:09fraseyboyaah ok
01:36:11soapwhile I didn't let rasher just keep it simple I don't know.
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02:07:11jac0bto change the playlist folder do we put the entry in the config.cfg
02:08:24fraseyboyIs there a way to change the button configurations?
02:11:34scorche|shfraseyboy: sure...but you need to compile your own version
02:12:11fraseyboyso there isnt a plugin or anything?
02:12:27jac0bI don't understand this commit from 29 Jan 06:57
02:14:30soapused to be two configs, now there is one.
02:14:37soapfiles that is.
02:14:44jac0bwhat file
02:15:20jac0bdoes this change where the playlists will be saved
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02:19:35jac0bsoap: does this change where the playlists will be saved
02:19:56soapit can. You can change the path.
02:20:15jac0bwhere do I put that parameter
02:20:18soapin your .cfg file
02:20:20soap"use "playlist catalog directory:/path/to/Playlists" in the .cfg "
02:20:38jac0bI did that but it doesn't work
02:20:51soappastebin your .cfg file.
02:20:54jac0batleast in the sim
02:21:09soapI'll see ya after you test on target.
02:21:19jac0bI put that in there but it gets overwritten
02:21:28soapand pastebin your .cfg file.
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02:26:21fraseyboyOh also, when my Gigabeat F20 is charging in the dock, it shows a little picture of a plug on the screen... Is there a way to get rid of that and make it so its off when its charging?
02:26:53markunno, we don't have control over that part of the gigabeat yet
02:27:03markunit's the bootloader written by toshiba
02:27:10markunhopefully soon
02:27:15fraseyboyyeah that would be good
02:27:19fraseyboycoz i have my gigabeat in my room
02:27:21fraseyboybeside my bed
02:27:29fraseyboyin the dock
02:27:33fraseyboyso its kinda annoying when trying to sleep
02:27:52markunyou could pull out the charger
02:27:59linuxstbYou can't charge in Rockbox?
02:28:20markunthat's also an option (hold MENU which docking)
02:28:27fraseyboyoh where is that?
02:28:42markunlinuxstb: I'm redisinging the settings menu completely. I hope not too many people will get angry with me :)
02:28:51jac0bsoap: just tried it on the actual player
02:28:53markunThe main menu was already a bit of a struggle :)
02:29:25fraseyboyI wanted to have really really big text scrolling with big icons in the main menu, like the zun
02:29:31jac0bsoap: it does the same thing as the sim I put playlist catalog directory:/path/to/Playlists in the cfg file but RB overwrites the file
02:29:32fraseyboybut that aint possibel yet...
02:29:48linuxstbmarkun: What do you mean by redesigning? Just moving the options, or something more radical?
02:29:55soapwhat directory are you trying to save playlists in, jac0b?
02:29:59markunlinuxstb: moving, but quite a lot
02:30:24markunI should go to sleep, but I can't stop :)
02:30:29soapso your .cfg contains the line "playlist catalog directory:/Playlists"?
02:30:35linuxstbmarkun: I'll wait until I see the new arrangement before commenting ;)
02:30:46soapnot "/path/to"?
02:31:39soaphow about "playlist catalog directory:/Playlists/"?
02:31:51jac0bhold let me check
02:31:54soapI'm using quotes to designate explicit text.
02:32:09soapyou said " I put playlist catalog directory:/path/to/Playlists in the cfg file"
02:32:20jac0bI know that but I have to put "/path/to"
02:32:54jac0bthat would be wrong
02:33:06jac0bI am trying to save to "/Playlists"
02:33:10soapand since you won't pastebin your .cfg file I have no idea if you LITERALLY used "playlist catalog directory:/path/to/Playlists" or if you groked that line ment you should use "playlist catalog directory:/Playlists" in your situation.
02:34:17hcsrgrok doesn't work well over IRC
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02:36:23jac0bI tried in the sim with "playlist catalog directory:/Playlists/" didn't work
02:37:10soaptried a space after the colon like the other lines? I honestly don't know the answer.
02:37:30jac0btried that earlier before I asked here
02:37:40soapyou know what - this isn't a stock build.
02:38:02Owner_hey I have a Sansa 260ev2 is there any way I can put Rockbox on it? The Main site said not v2 but I googled it and some forums said i could with newest version before I brick my unit I wanted to ask the experts
02:38:03soapplease don't ask for support of non-SVN stock builds here - this is part of the IRC guidelines.
02:38:49jac0byes it is part of the stock build
02:39:14rasherOwner_: The e260v2 isnt supported. Check the front page for a list of supported units.
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02:39:35Owner_darn thats what I thought
02:39:57Owner_is there a time when it migt become supported?
02:40:02jac0bthis patch did the same as the commit
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02:40:41soapwhoa Xchat crashed Gnome.
02:41:09rasherOwner_: Maybe. It's impossible to tell at this poitn.
02:41:15soapYour .cfg file itself appears to claim to have been written by a non-stock build, jac0b
02:41:25Owner_ok thanks
02:42:22Owner_I know this is off topic but is their any other MP3 player open scoure frimware sites I can check out
02:42:46jac0bsoap: okay I will try it with no patches
02:43:28soapso why did you tell me that .cfg file was from a stock build?
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02:44:31jac0bI thought you were talking about the playlist cfg thing not the actual build
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02:46:42soapbut unless I'm missing something - FS 7542 is NOT how JdGordon did it at all.
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02:48:55jac0bI am going to try it on a stock build
02:49:12jac0bsim and actual player
02:50:38BenniBoyahey, if I wanted to load linux from the rockbox bootloader, how would it find linux.bin
02:53:13Aprobably by making a conf file
02:53:37linuxstbBenniBoya: It looks in the root of your FAT32 partition, if that's what you're asking.
02:53:57BenniBoyaas far as I know, the linux.bin is loaded into a ext2 partion
02:54:16linuxstbIt's wherever your bootloader loads it from...
02:55:03BenniBoyaok i know what im gona do
02:55:16Aquestion... where can i find only the boot loader with a menu to select? i know somethings because i readed but where can i found that?
02:56:23linuxstbWith a nice IRC channel of their own - #ipodlinux...
02:56:26Aand for intalling? i have already rockbox
02:56:30BenniBoyaits ok
02:56:38BenniBoyatheres something on the site
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02:59:44Aipod patcher dont launch on my ubuntu...
03:00:19scorche|sh"launch"? are you calling it?
03:00:40BenniBoyachmod +x ipodpatcher
03:00:41Aloader2 but me, i cant run ipodpatcher
03:00:49Akk gonna try that
03:00:54BenniBoyai had that problem yesturday
03:00:54scorche|shand how are you runnign it?
03:01:30BenniBoyai dont even know what that command does, but it worked for me yesturday
03:01:50scorche|shyou shouldnt be running commands if you dont know what they do..
03:02:07BenniBoyasome1 here was helping em along
03:02:18BenniBoyathink it was LinusN or amicon
03:05:11Ait dont run...
03:05:25Aipodpatcher appear to be a script or something there
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03:08:12crazy_busis it possible for rockbox to pick up a weaker signal than the original firmware. Because there is a lot of static on my e200 compared to my c100 using its original firmware
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03:09:20crazy_bus*static on the fm radio
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03:28:40kkurbjunanyone around that can help me with this? I am getting some linking warnings that go along the line of: 'function' referenced in section '.section1' of /filename1/ defined in discarded section '.section2.function' of /filename2/. It appears that the functions (the IRQ and FIQ handlers) are being removed from the code and unused. I have tried setting some attributes like noinline and used but that does not seem to help. Does any
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03:30:14jhMikeSkkurbjun: __attribute__((used)) may help
03:31:20crazy_busIs there anyway to move a podcast to a different folder once it's been fully listened to. As I don't want to listen to the same one twice
03:31:40kkurbjunjhMikeS, I tried that, it didnt' seem to help unforutnately
03:31:48kkurbjunI just found something that works though
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03:32:17kkurbjunif I add in irq_handler: b irq_handler to ctr0.s it doesn't give me the warnings
03:32:28JdGordonsoap: what I miss?
03:34:53soapjac0b was having issues with the playlist directory setting in his .cfg file.
03:35:01jhMikeSkkurbjun: isn't the irq_handler reference in the vector table already?
03:35:09soapI wasn't 100% sure of what the line should look like in the .cfg file.
03:35:28kkurbjunyeah, but it's in the .vectors section.. I put the b instruction in the .text section in crt0.s
03:35:34kkurbjunI don't know why that worked though
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03:36:30AfroPickHey everyone, I have a HUGE problem.
03:36:50AfroPickI installed rockbox on my 30GB iPod video.
03:37:05AfroPickAnd now my computer isnt recognizing the iPod as being connected.
03:37:31cool_walking_Rockbox doesn't have it's own UMS feature yet, you need to use the Apple firmware to connect to the PC.
03:37:48AfroPickOk, how do I use the Apple firmware?
03:37:55AfroPickMine just booted up into the Apple OS for some reason.
03:37:56cool_walking_hold MENU+SELECT
03:38:15cool_walking_and flick the "hold" switch on as soon as it reboots
03:38:48AfroPickAnd thatll boot me into apples firmware?
03:39:11cool_walking_Yep. Reboot it again without the hold switch on, and you'll go back to Rockbox.
03:39:22AfroPickah i see
03:39:36AfroPickThanks a bunch dude, I thought i brokeded my iPod :D
03:39:50AfroPickAlso, when i try to play DOOM, is says its missing a base WAD.
03:40:06cool_walking_You should read the manual.
03:40:38AfroPickThat would probably help.
03:40:39cool_walking_Section 9.1.5. Doom
03:40:48AfroPickAnyways, thanks soooo much for helping me.
03:41:18cool_walking_No problem
03:41:39kkurbjunjhMikeS, would gas optimize two b instructions in a row, does it do anything like that? I think my /solution/ will add in an extra instruction everytime an IRQ/FIQ occurs
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03:43:01jhMikeSwhy is this nescessary?
03:43:55jhMikeSit won't optimize it and why would the 2nd one be reached?
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03:47:02kkurbjunif I don't include the extra b in crt0.s it makes the branch point to 0x0
03:47:15kkurbjunhere, let me show you exactly what I'm talking about
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03:48:35jhMikeSI think the b instructions should just go at the start of crt0.S instead of being copied.
03:49:51kkurbjunthe fiq_handler and irq_handler are near the bottom after the b main
03:51:10jhMikeSthat shouldn't need the .vectors section at all I'd think
03:51:48kkurbjunI need to have the vectors and init.text section seperate from .text for linking
03:51:56kkurbjunbecause I will be starting from flash
03:52:06kkurbjunso init.text has to be linked to 0x0
03:52:17jhMikeSThis is to flash a gigabeat F?
03:52:23kkurbjunand .text has to be linked to 0x3100000
03:53:22jhMikeSAll b instuctions are relative anyway but ldr pc, =xxxx isn't
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03:54:15kkurbjunyeah, that's what I gathered from messing around with it, I should have been more clear, I am actually using the ldr instructions for irq handler and fiq handler
03:54:32jhMikeScould do mov pc, #0 too :)
03:54:50kkurbjunbut if I take out the b instructions in .text it assembles it as ldr pc,=0x0
03:55:30kkurbjunwhich I don't want, I mean, I can get by without interupts and fiq's, that's what's happening now anyway, I'm just trying to understand why the assembler is doing what it is
03:55:35jhMikeSthat's awful since 0x0 can be immediate data
03:55:37kkurbjunwll, the linker
03:56:17kkurbjunyeah, if interupts were enabled, and one occured, the whole thing woud reset
03:56:29kkurbjunassuming that the memory hasn't been remapped
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04:01:18jhMikeSI also recommend setting all bits in INTMSK since that's the only true disable and the kernel starts taking over cpsr when you start calling it
04:02:21midgeyjhMikeS: does your most recent commit mean the first limitation listed on PluginMpegplayer is no longer valid?
04:02:29kkurbjunjhMikeS: this is the message when I take out the b section:
04:02:55kkurbjunI can add that
04:03:11kkurbjunI think the cpu resets with all the interupts masked by default
04:04:12kkurbjunI mean, it's not a huge penalty, but it's annoying none the less
04:05:34kkurbjunit does that when I add in a ,used also
04:06:03jhMikeSmidgey: If that's the samplerate one, it's invalid now
04:06:18midgeyjhMikeS: yep, thats the one i was talking about
04:06:24*jhMikeS was going to do some editing soon
04:07:08jhMikeSit's saying .text is a discarded section?
04:07:40kkurbjunno, it's saying that the function in .text is discarded, the rest of the functions are showing up in
04:08:20kkurbjunfunctions in .text that is
04:08:43*scorche waves at kkurbjun
04:08:59*kkurbjun waves back
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04:15:06crazy_busis bookmarking a file the only way to know if you've finished listening to a podcast. Or can rockbox delete or move a file after you've finished listening to it
04:16:28midgeycrazy_bus: you'll have to delete the file manually through the file browser
04:19:02crazy_busis there anyway for rockbox to remove it from a playlist or flag it as being listened to so you don't have to delete it after every episode
04:23:14LloreanDoesn't the database have a way to filter files by "not listened to yet"?
04:25:38crazy_busthere seems to be one like that. But it mixes up music, podcasts and audiobooks
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04:40:29kkurbjunjhMikeS: I think the irq_handler is still being removed
04:40:41kkurbjuneven with that b instruction...
04:41:04kkurbjunor Im looking at the disassembly wrong, which may also be likely
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04:44:17jhMikeSI'd think you'd have an undefined reference if it were actually being removed
04:44:49kkurbjunit's pointing to b3d8, and at that address I see bx lr
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04:45:40kkurbjunand it turns out irq_handler is not showing in th emap
04:45:49jhMikeSjust that one?
04:45:54kkurbjunare all functions supposed to be showing in the .map file?
04:46:01jhMikeSnothing static will
04:46:03kkurbjunirq and fiq
04:46:25jhMikeSit must be declared public
04:46:29kkurbjunother functions that I would expect ot be ther eare showing up
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07:48:05JdGordonwhy the heck would the lcd remote show the line selector but the main display shows the cursor?
07:52:09JdGordonarg... too tired :'(
07:52:27JdGordonand im stuck talking to an empty channel to keep my sanity!
07:53:01Buschelit's not empty :o)
07:53:17scorchehe lies...we are just other voices in your head
07:54:30JdGordonyay, i thought that might get some attention
07:54:37JdGordonwtf was i tripping on when i coded this?!
07:55:14JdGordon1 major-ish bug to fix and im done for the night
07:55:26*JdGordon looking for testers for the patch
07:56:35*JdGordon wonders why the cursor icon cuts off 1 pixel of the list icon if there is no scrollbar
07:57:58JdGordonthis is one fucked up bug!
08:11:47JdGordonits official... i kick ass!
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08:14:10DinkyDoggi've got a question - my mom's ipod (4th gen grayscale)'s wheel doesn't work, is there any way to set up rockbox so that it's possible to navigate entirely with the buttons?
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08:25:21LloreanDinkyDogg: If you compiled a custom build, you could possibly manage it, but you'd have to also come up with a solution to the very few buttons you'd have
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08:26:15DinkyDoggsounds like something to try when i have more time
08:26:20DinkyDogggood to know it's potentially possible though
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09:24:19KevaduGreetings, anybody here?
09:24:50markunhalf awake :)
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09:26:26KevaduWell...I have a bit of a problem. I was just playing around with rockbox on my e260 and it crashed, and now I have no idea what to do. The e260 doesn't have a hard power switch as far as I know
09:27:04KevaduSo I'm stuck with a blank screen and no way to turn it off
09:27:49peturhmmm we need a sansa FAQ page...
09:28:04markunpetur: like this?
09:28:16markunbut I couldn't find anyhing on resetting
09:28:26peturheh, it is missing from the FAQ listing
09:28:45amiconnHold the power button for more than 15 secs iirc
09:28:50amiconn(have no sansa myself)
09:29:30KevaduOh, thanks amiconn
09:29:37KevaduI had tried holding it down, but not that long
09:32:02KevaduWell, I guess that's that. Thanks for the help
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11:36:52BenniBoyahey markun, u here?
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11:48:44markunI am now
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11:54:33BenniBoyadi u kniw that bootloader u built me
11:54:33peturhmmm seems Google is considering a SoC for the southern hemisphere....
11:55:29LinusNBenniBoya: was that english? ;-)
11:56:34BenniBoyano it was bad typing
11:56:51BenniBoyaanyone knoe how to install diffutils
11:57:00LinusNwhat os?
11:57:26LinusNi believe they are called patchutils there
11:59:15markunBenniBoya: anyway, what about that bootloader?
11:59:58BenniBoyawhen using ti, my ipods backlight isnt as bright as normal, i have to wait untill it turns of for it to become normal again
12:00:07BenniBoyaits ok but i was just wondering why
12:00:42BenniBoyai was going to install the patch myself but cant get diffutils working
12:01:11markunno backlight code was changed afaik. Why do you care so much about the bootloader?
12:01:34BenniBoya=i was just interested
12:01:39markunok :)
12:01:53LinusNBenniBoya: how about "apt-get install diff"
12:02:33LinusNand "apt-get install patchutils"
12:03:09BenniBoyai tried apt-get install patch and it said up to date
12:03:14BenniBoyawould that be sufficient?
12:03:39LinusNthink so
12:04:15BenniBoyai cant get diff
12:04:27BenniBoyaits going to uninstall stuff like build-esentials
12:04:33BenniBoyabecause of updates
12:04:40BenniBoyais there a way fo installing it manualy
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12:05:18BenniBoyaactually ill just update it all
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12:32:38amiconnmarkun: The recommended bootloader still sets full brightness, unless I missed something
12:32:49amiconnThe svn bootloader sets minimum brightness
12:33:58markunamiconn: ok, that explains it then
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12:56:55preglowrasher: the capitalization convention differs from translation to translation, how can we expect the person that updates english.lang to correctly fix all languages?
12:57:45preglowoh, right, updating the source string
13:02:17WyattJust real quick, does anyone know a way to easily break an SF2 soundfont into a patchset? The midi rock isn't said to support them as-is...
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14:08:52drazhar_hi all
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14:09:22drazhar_ive been looking at the site ( and was wondering if RockBox will work with an xclef HD 500
14:09:32drazhar_i cant actually find an answer yes or no on the site
14:10:06pixelmano, it only works on targets which are listed as "supported" at the top of the front page
14:10:24drazhar_thank you
14:10:34drazhar_feckin HD500 and its crappy random function!
14:10:41drazhar_it would be brilliant for me other than that
14:11:18LinusNa golden opportunity for you to start porting rockbox to the hd500 :-)
14:11:38drazhar_yeah, i wish i had the low level skills for that!
14:11:53preglownever too late to learn
14:12:17pixelmayou could try to find other people who are interested, find info etc...
14:12:41drazhar_LinusN: thank you, that is actually the page i just came from!
14:12:47LinusNthe xclef 500 is pretty similar to the iriver h100
14:13:20LinusNwith a wolfson codec
14:15:08LinusNbut as always, it takes a dedicated hd500 owner with the appropriate skills to pull it off
14:15:22drazhar_thats very true
14:15:37drazhar_and i would think the vast amjority of HD500's are now sitting in dust piles!
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14:15:57drazhar_i just inherited mine from someone who bought an iPod before christmas
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14:16:31drazhar_its alright, but its random function drives me crazy
14:17:18drazhar_but i love that it shows up as an external drive instead of requiring additional software to manage it
14:17:41markundrazhar_: are there firmware updates for this player?
14:18:00drazhar_There were, but the company that makes them are since gone the way or the dodo
14:18:13drazhar_(their website is now a monetization page)
14:18:17crazy_busI plugged the usb cable into my sansa e200 while listening to a podcast. It immediately shut down rockbox without saving a bookmark and loaded the original firmware. Is this a bug or is it meant to do it?
14:18:25drazhar_and the player is on the latest firmware available!
14:19:15drazhar_there was an open-jukebox project in the works for it, but it seems Novell have bought that, and you require username and password to login to it!
14:20:14pixelmacrazy_bus: this is what it should do (automatically boot into the OF for USB connection). You can prevent this by holding select while plugging
14:21:55markundrazhar_: but are the firmware update files still available? They would be very useful if anyone wanted to do a rockbox port.
14:22:14drazhar_eh, yeah somewhere
14:22:36crazy_buspixelma: thanks. I was just worried since it behaved differently when I did it the first time (must of being accidentally holding select)
14:22:54drazhar_if someone would like to grab that and put it on the xclef info page it would probably be handy
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15:15:24TiMiD[FD]no and you ?
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15:38:44PaulJameven though i believe this is a hardware issue, i was wondering if someone else expeirnced a similar behaviour with the h300 non LCD remote. it happened twice, that when remote was connected that after some time (maybe an hour) the volume slowly starts to increase by itself. when pressing the remote volume buttons this stopped.
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15:59:05markunhi TiMiD[FD]!
15:59:29markunstill not getting bored of Japan? :)
16:00:03TiMiD[FD]hi !
16:00:08TiMiD[FD]no no !
16:00:17TiMiD[FD]a good country :)
16:00:54TiMiD[FD]are you bored ?
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16:01:27TiMiD[FD]when you'll get bored come here ...
16:01:38markunok ;)
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16:05:39amiconnWould be nice to see another cf based target supported... (re the xclef 500)
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16:25:34TiMiD[FD]Llorean: around ?
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16:27:56pondlifeDoes anyone else have problems viewing ?
16:28:12GodEaterpondlife: nope
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16:28:22GodEaterpondlife: btw - did you get around to a reinstall of vmplayer yet
16:28:22pondlifeIt seems to be truncated here
16:28:33TiMiD[FD]works ...
16:28:40pondlifeGodEater: Not yet, no
16:28:48pixelmapondlife: which browser?
16:28:56pondlifeI got another VM image to try from rasher btw...
16:29:11pondlifeIt displays up to Discussion, but then stops
16:29:23pondlifeWas working fine earlier, I added comments
16:29:24GodEateroh well if you will use these proprietary software solutions....
16:29:44GodEaterpondlife: tried a Ctrl-F5 yet ?
16:29:59*GodEater exhausts his IE7 knowledge
16:30:13pondlifeThe source looks ok.
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16:30:47pixelmait is truncated in IE6 too, but works in FF...
16:31:06pondlifeHmm, what changed?
16:31:13pondlifeI can't get to the diff link ;)
16:32:23pondlifeShould the <comment> tags have corresponding </comment> s?
16:32:25pixelmathere are a few lines that read "<comment>" which seem to be th culprit, let me
16:32:37pixelmatry something
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16:34:21pixelmais that even a valid tag? Where do they come from and is it safe to just remove them?
16:35:48GodEaterit's not a valid html tag certainly
16:35:55GodEatercan't speak for wiki formatting though
16:36:11GodEatertwiki's tagging system is horridly inconsistent if you ask me
16:37:58pixelmapondlife: works in IE6 again for me now, I just removed them
16:38:19pondlifeYep, thanks
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16:39:40pixelmathe history looks weird in FF though because it doesn't display the <comment> :)
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16:52:49TiMiD[FD]pixelma, Llorean :
16:54:07LambdaCalculus37TiMiD[FD]: Nice! Looks useful!
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16:54:31TiMiD[FD]LambdaCalculus37: uh ?
16:55:28LambdaCalculus37The patch.
16:55:35TiMiD[FD]ah ...
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16:55:47TiMiD[FD]useful is not the word I would use but ...
16:56:03TiMiD[FD]should solve some keymaps problems in the plugins
16:58:04PaulJamHmm, is fast forwarding broken currently (H300)?
16:59:28at0m|cPaulJam, i sometimes encounter the same, esp. when using large playlists and shuffling i think, and usually a start/stop solves it (h340 here)
17:00:28at0m|cwhen you arrow up/down, does the graph follow?
17:00:38at0m|cvolume graph/indication
17:01:35PaulJamyes, a few seconds after i wrote this playback crashed (was hung in a loop?) and after restarting playback fastforwarding worked again. i'll see if i can reproduce this.
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17:02:38PaulJamthe progressbar moved, but it jumped bac to the current position when releasing the button. fastforwarding by small amounts (30s) still worked
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17:05:51at0m|cif that happens here, i just wait - it's like it's still busy, updates later and then works fine again
17:06:19at0m|ckeeping on pressing buttons only puts them in the queue and will cause more delay in my experience
17:09:15PaulJamdo you know how to reproduce this?
17:11:42at0m|cquickly skipping a couple tunes in a rather large playlist at random sure reproduces it here
17:12:15at0m|cthe the final tune tag pops up and previous tune keeps playing
17:12:24at0m|cah, i have 4s xfade too
17:12:54PaulJamhmm, for me it happened on the first track of a quite short playlist (15 tracks)
17:13:31at0m|calso if you wait a bit till all is settled? no more disk act. etc?
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17:15:40PaulJami don't think there was disk activity
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17:16:47broomRecently there was some talk about the problems with disk spinning, spinlock etc. Has anything been found and problem solved?
17:17:19GodEaterbroom: a problem has been identified, but not solved yet
17:17:52broomGodEater: was it the thread sceduling?
17:19:02broomWhat was it? And isn't the problem identifying 80% of the solution?
17:19:23GodEaterit's to do with the way threads lock access to resources while they're running
17:19:37GodEaterand no, identifying this problem hasn't suggested a solution yet
17:19:46GodEaternot a simple one anyway
17:20:01GodEaterit's especially obvious on multi-core targets
17:20:08GodEatersingle core targets don't suffer the issue as much
17:20:25rasherpreglow: I meant that they should fix the "<source>" in all .lang files, so the translators aren't bothered with update notes
17:23:36rasher(otherwise genlang would notice that the source has changed, and ask the translator to update)
17:23:36PaulJamat0m|c: do you know if there is already a flyspray task for this problem?
17:24:03broomGodEater: 'as much' or 'at all'?
17:24:12GodEater"as much"
17:24:46GodEateri.e., they suffer them, but not noticealy to the end user
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17:32:59jhMikeSGodEater: ?? It hasn't anything to do with spinlocking which only comes into play if two cores actually access a kernel object which doesn't happen in playback sine only one core is being used with one codec excepted.
17:33:00at0m|cPaulJam, no idea
17:33:42GodEaterjhMikeS: but what about during the dircache and database updates ?
17:34:24GodEaterI thought this is what LinusN said was causing the issues ?
17:34:52PaulJamok, then i'll open a new task later. i think i have found a reliable way to reproduce this (skipping back or rewinding while rebuffering).
17:34:52jhMikeSstill done only on CPU and so the corelock never blocks anything. the spin locking is only for mutual exclusion of two different processors.
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17:35:34jhMikeSand at that it is only held for a few microseconds
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17:36:08GodEaterjhMikeS: I must have missed this bit of the conversation
17:36:15GodEaterso what's causing the issue then ? :)
17:37:14jhMikeSI'm not sure since I can't see the buffering behavior in real time. Perhaps the ata driver doesn't yield enough.
17:37:23pixelmajhMikeS, GodEater: there might be two or even more issues - I suffer the bug sometimes and only a light form on my c200 with definitely no dircache and no database updates involved
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17:38:49leftrightwould removing ID3 V1 tags completely improve gaples playback ?
17:39:12GodEaterleftright: not really
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17:39:34leftrightI get the occassional bump in gapless albums, wondering if that might affect it
17:39:44pixelmathe only thing that I use and which seems to make things worse is an album art WPS (just a play, I only have like 10 cover.bmps prepared though)
17:39:45jhMikeSGodEater: Any chance of posting video of the buffering screen while skipping around in it? :)
17:40:09GodEaterjhMikeS: I thought of that, but I don't have a decent enough camera to make it legible :(
17:40:18GodEaterI tried it already
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17:42:12jhMikeSI'm still not totally clear on things. Is it the PCM that tends to empty out while filling?
17:42:47pixelmaTiMiD[FD]: thanks for looking into it. :) But I imagined it a bit differently, seems like I'm unable to explain in short and clear enough words ATM - I try to think of something and maybe comment on the flyspray task.
17:43:19GodEaterjhMikeS: it looks to me more like that the real and usefl buffers get crazy values
17:43:41GodEatereither -ve or hugely +ve
17:44:08jhMikeSI don't think the kernel is responsible for that. I wonder if handles are being moved while being used.
17:44:53GodEaterI assume it's some problem in buffering somewhere
17:46:56pixelmajhMikeS: I don't get skipping though, only a short time of unresponsiveness during the first buffering after startup and sometimes not resuming from the correct track position but a track start (either current or the next track)
17:51:29*jhMikeS thinks the audio thread should have at least PRIORITY_USER_INTERFACE
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19:08:58futuristi think the hd is dislodged in my h10−−how would i open it to try to relodge it?
19:09:12futuristi think you guys have a page on this but i can't find it
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19:14:04pixelmafuturist: do you have a 20GB or a 5/6GB H10?
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19:16:49peturfuturist: there are 4 screws in the battery compartiment, I assume those will give access?
19:17:35futuristhum they didn't look like they actually had grooves, lemme check
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19:18:00futuristerr hey aren't screws, they need an alan key of some kind
19:18:10peturthey look to be torx
19:18:16*karashata nods
19:18:18peturvery small ones
19:18:38karashataeither 5 or 6, can't remember exactly off the top of my head
19:18:40futuristones by the headphoen jack as well
19:18:58futuristwhere on earth would i get such a tool and hwat is it called?
19:19:39karashataif you get a precision torx set it should come with bits small enough for the H10
19:19:56karashataand you can get something like that from any good hardware store
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19:25:05pixelmafuturist: generally, for irivers there is misticriver forum which has some of "how to open" etc. tutorials. E.g. there is a sticky about disassembling a 20GB H10 (with pictures - )
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19:31:51jgayhi, I was hoping to check out the the trunk of the source repository, but I am unable to find instructions on how to do so. Could anybody help?
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19:32:29krazykithave you read the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page?
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20:12:59futuristok thanks for the advice guys :-)
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21:18:41PaulJamaren't queued items supposed to disappear from the playlist once they were played?
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21:52:42PaulJamhmm, looks like when you stop playback and then resume, that the queued track reappears in the playlist and this causes playback to reume at the wrong track.
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22:06:52BigBambiPaulJam: That sounds like a flyspray thing to me
22:07:36PaulJamyes, ill open a task later.
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22:36:45AfroPickHey everyone, can someone please help me with the Loader 2, its not working for me.
22:37:05BagderAfroPick: that would be the ipodlinux's loader, you should ask them
22:37:28AfroPickDoes rockbox have anything that you can select which OS you want to boot into besides the hold switch?
22:37:33Bagderfor rockbox installs, we recommend the manual
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22:44:16|NSA|for the person from a few weeksback with the c240 who i asked about the radio losing the frequency/tuning out, the patch didnt fix it. and i have another question, does the sound/dsp patch checked in yesturday allow me to play sound without having to skip frames or whatever, so will it stay in sync now?
22:45:05BigBambi|NSA|: Do you care to rephrase that second part - I don't know what you are on about
22:45:40|NSA|right now if you turn off skip frames, it will play the movie in fast motion, but the sound will be normal speed
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22:45:57BigBambiAs it says, it removes the sample rate restriction
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22:46:25BigBambiWhich I understand to mean you no longer have to have 44100 Hz audio
22:46:29*BigBambi goes to check
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22:47:06kugelJdGordon: Are you there?
22:48:23BigBambi|NSA|: I'm pretty sure what I said is right
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22:51:49JdGordon|wkugel: hi
22:52:07pixelma|NSA|: interesting, I have no problems with the radio on my c200 since then (I did before). What revision do you run currently?
22:52:30JdGordon|wpixelma: hey, do you have access to a archos player?
22:52:32kugelJdGordon|w: I messaged to your home nick, since I though you wouldn't have time for me anyway if you're at work
22:53:03kugelJdGordon|w: Anyway, could you please take a look at my comment in lists using viewport as soon as you have time?
22:53:15pixelmaJdGordon: a player in general yes, not teh Player though
22:54:01|NSA|pixelma: the one from the night last time i asked, i dont have the player with me atm but it was the one about 2 weeks after the patch that did something with the radio on the sansa
22:54:28|NSA|after listening to a station for about 10-20 minutes, it starts to lose the frequency
22:54:50|NSA|if i switch to another frequency and then go back its fine
22:55:20pixelmamaybe you should file a proper bug report, giving as many details as you can
22:55:46JdGordon|wpixelma: arg.. they didnt pick their target names very well did they :p yeah, I need someone to test the viewportr list patch on the player or ill commit and blame lack of testers if it breaks anything
22:55:47|NSA|could it be that the radio tower goes from being about 1/4 a mile away to about 1.5 miles, although i doubt that would matter?
22:56:12JdGordon|wkugel: your aproach to do what?
22:56:57kugelJdGordon: look at the file please, it basically puts the draw of every list element in a seperate function
22:57:13kugelwhich returns more or less helpful values
22:57:24JdGordon|wok, ill look when iget home
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22:58:39*JdGordon|w wonders how hard it would be to look at the patch on my phone in the bus on the way home :p
23:00:41Flamersome 1 is here?
23:00:58Bagderno, all 1s are out, only the 0s are here!
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23:01:13Flamerhaha funny..
23:01:32JdGordon|wthere might even be a 7 here if you look carefully enough
23:01:37Flamermy friend told me that you will divelop ruckbox OC for cearive zen vision : w is it true?
23:02:00JdGordon|wwtf is ruckbox OC?
23:02:15Flameri ment rockbox
23:02:19BagderFlamer: no it's not true, but some early attempts have been made
23:02:23|NSA|Flamer: wiki ports page
23:02:35Flamerwhat do you mean?
23:02:45Bagderwhat does who mean?
23:03:09|NSA|on the wiki there is a page detailing the ports people are trying to make i thnk
23:03:24Bagderthere's a thread the new ports area on the forums
23:03:24BigBambiFlamer: Check out the thread in the New Ports section of the forum
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23:04:34Flameri see there jest zen vision:m
23:05:07BagderI thought that was just another typo...
23:05:22BagderI've not seen anyone mention a vision w porting effort
23:05:37JdGordon|wFlamer: please stop butchering the english language
23:05:40Bagdermeaning that you can be first!
23:05:51Flameri am starting to hate the fact that i dont have any games and cool themes on my zen vision : w
23:06:35Flamermy english suck what i can do about it?
23:06:50|NSA|then buy an iphone? complaining in here will not get a port done. and jdgordon wanted you to read
23:07:43BagderI'd rather recommend a player that already runs rockbox fine
23:08:41Flameri bought it 4 months ago..
23:08:54linuxstb_Knowing it didn't have games and cool themes?
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23:09:02Bagderrockbox existed then too...
23:09:26Flamerok, i have to go bye bye..
23:09:40Flamerthank you for help.
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23:14:34midgeyJdGordon: any idea of the binary impact from viewport lists?
23:15:22JdGordon|woh, i missed you last night... good luck with ms
23:15:52JdGordon|wI'm guesssing it will be green for player and red for eveything else
23:16:50midgeya glimmer of hope in an ocean of red
23:17:10JdGordon|wworth it though imo
23:17:23JdGordon|w... not that I ever really cared about the red :p
23:17:30midgeyi'm waiting to hear back from ms to see if i get to go out to seattle. i'm not sure how likely that will be
23:18:04midgeywere you planning on taking a look at customizable a statusbar as well?
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23:20:10crzyboysterWill the unifont version of cabbie also be committed?
23:21:10JdGordon|wmidgey: eventually... I'm not sure how best to do it... im split between going the full wps style customization or just themable icons like the menus...
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23:27:05crzyboysterSo are there plans to commit the unifont version of cabbie 2.0 or to offer it as a seperate download?
23:27:33midgeyi had a look at it a while back and i had the same dilemma. i felt like wps-style would be nice, but it might be overkill
23:28:10BigBambicrzyboyster: You only need to ask once
23:28:24JdGordon|wit all depends on how flexible the wps parser is... and seen as we eventually want to be able to use that for the fm and rec screens its probably worth investigating
23:28:43BigBambiAnd by putting it on the wiki (or soon the new rockboxthemes site) it will be available for download
23:28:50JdGordon|wI think Nico had a look but dont remember how far he got
23:29:47crzyboysterThanks for responding, guys! Take a look at Does it look alright to you?
23:31:55 Quit perrikwp ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 3.0b3pre/2008012904]")
23:32:42BigBambicrzyboyster: Looks fine from that, but I would have to try on target to comment properly - they always look different
23:34:08crzyboysterDo yuo think that I should remove the "NEXT" image and put in the "Next Track:" text to be consistent with all the other ports?
23:34:40BigBambiI'm not sure
23:35:03BigBambiConsistency is good, but grey scale screens often benefit from a bit of breaking up
23:35:20BigBambiWhat does it look like with the text instead?
23:35:33crzyboysterLet me get a screen...
23:40:22crzyboysterHere you go:
23:41:43BigBambicrzyboyster: That is a massive sign saying, "temporarily unavailable"
23:42:35crzyboysterLoads fine for me... I will upload someplace else...
23:43:41midgeyworks fine here too
23:44:27crzyboysterHere we are:
23:44:51BigBambithat one is fine
23:45:30BigBambiHmmm - I like that it doesn't look like another line of info with the bar not test, but I am all for consistency
23:45:37BigBambiI remain not sure :)
23:46:35crzyboysterI personally like it as a lot of other ports have the info aligned/put in exactly like that
23:47:10crzyboysterAnd with the bar, there's a lot of empty space floating around
23:49:02BigBambiAs I say, I have no strong opinion either way
23:49:39crzyboysterI'll remove the bar then for the sake of consistency. Anyone have problems with this?
23:49:51midgeyas an aside, i feel the gigabeat version of cabbie 2 needs a bit of work
23:50:04 Quit JdGordon|w (" ajax IRC Client")
23:50:16crzyboystermidgey: Yes, I agree. Maybe I'll fix that one up next?
23:50:18BigBambiYeah, the font is too small :P
23:50:28BigBambi(I know others think it is too big)
23:50:46crzyboysterDoes the helvR font family get bigger than that size?
23:50:56BigBambiBut I have my amended copy and I like that :)
23:50:58 Quit moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:51:07BigBambicrzyboyster: Don't know, I use ter16 something
23:51:40midgeyswitching to ter-u16b makes it a bit better
23:52:02 Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend")
23:52:27BigBambimidgey: I switched to ter-u16b, altered the album art size a bit, cut some pointless info
23:53:11midgeyimo, if we want to display the time, seconds are a bit superfluous
23:53:16BigBambimidgey: is my effort
23:53:55BigBambiand actually I agree about the seconds, just didn't bother to remove them

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