| 00:00:05 | Gr34t3st | Thanks for your help. |
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| 00:00:25 | rasher | markun: Maybe he's caught in the internet pickle they have in that area - or is it resolved by now? |
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| 00:04:50 | markun | rasher: no idea |
| 00:05:14 | rasher | I'll shoot him another mail |
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| 00:18:25 | countrymonkey | I was reading the logs to see if moos had answered me and I noticed something that said there was an arabic translation. Where is that and why isn't it in svn? |
| 00:20:11 | markun | countrymonkey: it's (hopefully) on the translator's computer. |
| 00:21:07 | markun | or are you talking about a different arabic translation than rasher and I were talking about? |
| 00:22:02 | countrymonkey | That's the one I'm talking about. I was just commenting to my friend (when I was convincing him why rb was so much cooler than the apple os), "I just wonder why there is no arabic translation". |
| 00:22:17 | rasher | Because no one has made one? |
| 00:23:02 | rasher | We can't conjure things out of thin air |
| 00:23:10 | countrymonkey | I know. He was the one that asked, "Is there an arabic translation?" From what you last heard, is it work-in-progress or complete? |
| 00:23:19 | rasher | Hard to tell |
| 00:23:34 | rasher | He was a bit vague. |
| 00:23:53 | countrymonkey | What did he say? |
| 00:24:07 | * | BigBambi mentions "volunteer", "spare-time", "people work on what they want", "an arabic speaker hasn't helped us produce one", "we don't speak arabic, it is quite hard to do a translation without speaking the language" ... |
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| 00:24:49 | rasher | countrymonkey: I don't really want to quote the mail. He was vague as to whether or not the translation was done. I've told you everything I know. |
| 00:25:10 | countrymonkey | ok. I'll just wait and see. |
| 00:25:36 | countrymonkey | But it is a nice thing to have, with so many arabic speakers in the world. I hope it is done soon. |
| 00:27:46 | BigBambi | If one of them helps it shall be done |
| 00:27:57 | BigBambi | It is impossible to translate a language you do not speak |
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| 00:28:44 | countrymonkey | I am aware. I am just crossing my fingers over the net. *knocks on wood* |
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| 00:31:10 | pixelma | someone with a Sansa (no matter which) and a microSD card at hand, both containing music and willing to do a quick test to confirm something for me? |
| 00:31:33 | BigBambi | pixelma: sure |
| 00:31:43 | BigBambi | e260 and a 1GB card |
| 00:33:16 | pixelma | could you try creating a root.m3u8 by choosing "playlist > create playlist" from the menu while music is not playing - with plugged in microSD and then check if the root.m3u8 contains only files from the card or from both memories (as my Ondio does btw.)? |
| 00:33:24 | BigBambi | OK |
| 00:33:26 | BigBambi | one mo |
| 00:34:13 | pixelma | thank you :) |
| 00:34:30 | BigBambi | pixelma: Both memories |
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| 00:35:00 | pixelma | ok, weird. It doesn't on my c200... |
| 00:35:14 | BigBambi | bizarre |
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| 00:49:24 | n1s | pixelma: iirc that playlist creation depends on where the file browser is in the tree, so maybe you have browsed into a dir somewhere? |
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| 00:54:02 | pixelma | n1s: I think not, it's the same right after boot. I have set start screen to file browser so I am in the root when I try. And if I'm not doing something wrong it is exactly the same way I do on the Ondio... |
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| 01:49:51 | kugel | JdGordon: Hey. It cost me a good amount of effort to edit your list viewports patch to my version. So if I base it of your last version and fix the dual-drawing, it would be a better solution? I'm really thinking my approach is more flexible, and if not at least a lot more easier to read and maintain. But I don't want to waste the time in editting the stuff again, when you think my approach... |
| 01:49:53 | kugel | ...is working but not good enough. |
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| 02:02:43 | panicbyte | hey, is rockbox team currently working on supporting the v2 e200 sansas? |
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| 02:15:46 | krazykit | panicbyte, read the thread in the New Ports forum |
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| 03:11:25 | Imaginativeone | how do I watch tv on my iPod using RockBox? |
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| 03:14:34 | Llorean | Imaginativeone: Please tell me that's either a joke, or you mean "how do I watch videos of TV shows", and don't actually expect Rockbox to somehow, by software, include a TV tuner. |
| 03:15:01 | Imaginativeone | LOL...yes, I mean the latter |
| 03:15:23 | Imaginativeone | I like to buy episodes of Numbers |
| 03:15:35 | Imaginativeone | and I'd like to still be able to do that |
| 03:16:47 | Llorean | You can't watch iTunes video in Rockbox. Just boot into the Apple software to watch it. |
| 03:18:42 | Imaginativeone | ugh - what a hassle. Thanks (but no thanks). |
| 03:18:58 | Llorean | Blame Apple |
| 03:19:17 | Llorean | Though I don't find simply turning the player off and on again a huge hassle. |
| 03:19:55 | Imaginativeone | the general advantage would be to use the device in linux? |
| 03:20:00 | Llorean | No |
| 03:20:11 | Imaginativeone | BUT I'd have to use Mac for the videos... |
| 03:20:20 | Llorean | No, you wouldn't |
| 03:20:26 | Llorean | iTunes does exist on Windows. |
| 03:20:55 | Llorean | The general advantage would be the fact that you need no program to manage your device, so can use any you choose from any OS that can access a UMS USB device. And the fact that you can have your music in almost any common or semi-common audio format. |
| 03:20:59 | Imaginativeone | I could use Mac or Windows for the videos... |
| 03:21:20 | Imaginativeone | ah |
| 03:21:26 | Llorean | But how were you planning to get the videos from iTunes without using Mac or Windows anyway? |
| 03:22:00 | Llorean | If you're just gonna record them from TV yourself and encode them, Rockbox does play video. It can't play iTunes' DRM'ed videos. |
| 03:22:32 | Imaginativeone | actually, I have no idea how I'm going to get them... |
| 03:22:47 | Imaginativeone | perhaps from Netflix on DVD |
| 03:23:00 | Llorean | But due to the fact that you bought an iPod Video, with its entirely undocumented hardware, the Apple software can play video better than us because they have access to hardware we have a truly minimal knowledge of. |
| 03:23:00 | Imaginativeone | I only watch old stuff anyhow... |
| 03:23:23 | Imaginativeone | aaahhh... |
| 03:23:57 | Imaginativeone | I wish I knew where to get alternative tv from |
| 03:24:29 | Llorean | Well that's not really relevant to this channel |
| 03:24:47 | Imaginativeone | heh heh...thanks for your help |
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| 03:45:34 | csc` | Imaginativeone: you could rent the dvd's from netflix, rip and re-encode them to your liking |
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| 03:46:13 | Imaginativeone | is there a url for learning how to do that? |
| 03:46:30 | csc` | for what OS |
| 03:46:53 | Llorean | Please don't discuss that in here |
| 03:47:42 | Imaginativeone | ok |
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| 06:22:45 | JdGordon | ok, viewports are really pissing me off now! |
| 06:26:44 | psycho_maniac | whys that? |
| 06:30:07 | JdGordon | coz they arnt working |
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| 07:07:39 | JdGordon | #1 0x0000000000463cb3 in lcd_mono_bitmap_part (src=0x47c3f9 "&III2", src_x=0, src_y=0, stride=6, x=23, y=0, width=6, height=8) at drivers/lcd-16bit.c:777 |
| 07:07:39 | JdGordon | #2 0x000000000046425a in lcd_putsxyofs (x=23, y=0, ofs=0, str=0x473b21 "Shuffle") at drivers/lcd-16bit.c:939 |
| 07:07:43 | JdGordon | :'( |
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| 07:18:58 | JdGordon | ok, something is truly fucked with my setup now... its crashing in lcd_hline()?! |
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| 07:56:07 | crazy_bus | it says in this forum thread http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5702.0 that the scrollwheel patch for had being applied to the main builds. I was wondering if there was a option to enable it or if I have to compile my own custom build? |
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| 08:08:45 | JdGordon | morning linuxstb |
| 08:09:22 | linuxstb | Good morning. |
| 08:09:46 | JdGordon | viewports is driving me nuts.... |
| 08:10:02 | JdGordon | I've almost got the quickscreen finished, but it likes crashing in the lcd driver |
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| 08:12:02 | linuxstb | Do you have a patch? |
| 08:12:19 | JdGordon | almost... ill post it before I goto bed |
| 08:12:22 | linuxstb | ...preferably not called "changes" ;) |
| 08:12:33 | JdGordon | display->drawrect(0,0, vps[display->screen_type][i].width, vps[display->screen_type][i].height); is bloody crashing it! |
| 08:12:46 | JdGordon | .. that is after setting the viewport |
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| 08:13:26 | linuxstb | I would just add DEBUGF statements in the drawrect function to see what's going on. |
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| 08:20:25 | JdGordon | arg.. i have no idea... I'm definatly staying inside the lcd :'( |
| 08:21:11 | crazy_bus | I downloaded an album of jamendo which included album art. However pictureflow says it can find no album art. Is there anything I'm meant to do to make it work? |
| 08:21:13 | amiconn | A backtrace should tell you what's going on |
| 08:21:57 | JdGordon | oh fucking hell... drawmode wasnt being inited :'( |
| 08:22:08 | JdGordon | setting up the viewports is too much of a pita |
| 08:22:16 | GodEater | crazy_bus: read the AlbumArt wiki page ? |
| 08:22:51 | crazy_bus | I searched the pdf manual for picture flow and didn't find anything before. I'll check the wiki now |
| 08:23:03 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Then create a function to initialise a viewport... |
| 08:23:37 | JdGordon | amiconn: so, i was thiking about the "problem" with the quickscreen not really being quick anymore and i think with a bit of fiddling with the keymaps it should work fine again.. im surprised noone played with it since it was broken a year ago... should be an easy fix |
| 08:24:44 | amiconn | Yeah, but that might require 2 contexts on recorders |
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| 08:25:56 | amiconn | I bet most users today don't know about the real quick way of operating the quickscreen... plus many targets won't allow it hardware wise |
| 08:26:21 | JdGordon | na, make the WPS return ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN instead of _WPS_QUICKSCREEN and it should be fine |
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| 08:28:27 | JdGordon | ... did someone say customizable quickscreens? |
| 08:29:15 | JdGordon | http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot3in6.png |
| 08:29:43 | JdGordon | need to fix up the icons and alignement a bit, but other than that its done |
| 08:33:25 | JdGordon | anyone object to having them all centered instead of aligned to the edges? |
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| 08:36:06 | pondlife | Bagder: xmms? Why not rockboxui? |
| 08:36:45 | GodEater | or audacious |
| 08:37:54 | amiconn | JdGordon: Imo the left option should use left aligned text, and the right option right aligned text |
| 08:37:54 | JdGordon | which lcd has the narrowest screen? |
| 08:38:18 | scorche | Bagder: and while you are at it, is that a real screen shot from you, or a stock image from somewhere? (that is good music playing on that screenshot..) |
| 08:38:42 | amiconn | Hmm, and where are the arrow icons?? |
| 08:39:05 | JdGordon | [23:30:09] <JdGordon> need to fix up the icons and alignement a bit, but other than that its done |
| 08:41:10 | * | amiconn knows all target's display resolutions out of his head |
| 08:41:28 | amiconn | The Archos lcd is the narrowest, hence you'll want a recorder sim |
| 08:41:38 | amiconn | (Ondio has no quickscreen due to lack of buttons) |
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| 08:42:50 | JdGordon | 4 items fits fine in the h100 remote lcd which is nice... but not if the user font is enabled |
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| 08:44:59 | amiconn | Oh, btw: the quick method of operating the quickscreen won't work with 4 items on recorders |
| 08:45:37 | amiconn | There is a reason why the quickscreen only offers 3 options |
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| 08:45:54 | JdGordon | well... im doing it so the user can choose which settings to show.. so if they dont want the top option they dont have to enable it |
| 08:45:55 | amiconn | The 'Up' button is in the same button group as the F1...F3 buttons |
| 08:46:12 | linuxstb | Shouldn't the number of options be target-dependent then? |
| 08:46:20 | amiconn | ...hence it cannot be detected at the same time one of the F buttons is pressed |
| 08:46:44 | JdGordon | the default setup will be the same as svn |
| 08:46:51 | amiconn | But since there is also display flip, that effect even applies with 3 items |
| 08:47:29 | amiconn | Maybe we don't need to limit the number of options because of this, but the effect should be mentioned in the manual (or quickmode dropped altogether) |
| 08:47:51 | amiconn | There's also the problem that 4 options wouldn't work e.g. with my 'Car' font |
| 08:48:29 | JdGordon | ... so in your car config dont have all 4 options? |
| 08:48:57 | amiconn | 3 options would fit with the viewport-enabled quickscreen... in svn even that doesn't work |
| 08:49:24 | amiconn | The svn quickscreen switches to the sysfont if userfont doesn't fit, but if the options also need to scroll, that breaks |
| 08:49:58 | amiconn | And imo it shouldn't switch to the sysfont... that's bad for non-latin languages |
| 08:51:25 | amiconn | That reminds me.... I wonder whether we should make the sim simulate the target's button constraints |
| 08:51:50 | amiconn | (printing a debug message if someone presses a combo that's impossible on target) |
| 08:51:52 | JdGordon | 4 items _just_ fits with sysfont on the rec |
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| 08:52:18 | amiconn | Yes, sure |
| 08:52:38 | amiconn | They also fit with my 'Earphone' and 'Hifi' font (rockfont-8) |
| 08:52:47 | SaadSaeed | Hello fellow rockboxers |
| 08:52:56 | JdGordon | not exactly nice... but if there isnt enough lines we could do "shuffle: on" and scroll that instead of splitting it |
| 08:53:13 | SaadSaeed | Is USB charge possible on JBR ? |
| 08:53:24 | amiconn | no |
| 08:54:10 | SaadSaeed | So this is not related to JBR? 2007-11-23New USB stack with limited capability. Currently it only requests full charging power. Ignore driver popups from Windows. |
| 08:54:13 | amiconn | JdGordon: Yeah, that would be an idea... should even work for 4 items |
| 08:54:57 | SaadSaeed | The thing is, my adopter blew up and am unable to charge my brick |
| 08:55:21 | linuxstb | SaadSaeed: You can remove the batteries and charge with an external charger. |
| 08:55:27 | GodEater | SaadSaeed: the USB stack only applies to PortalPlayer targets |
| 08:55:30 | JdGordon | I dunno how nice it would be to use though... |
| 08:56:31 | linuxstb | amiconn: Why would scrolling with the system font not work? |
| 08:56:45 | linuxstb | Ah, with SVN... |
| 08:56:57 | SaadSaeed | GodEater, Ok i'll consider charging with external adopter. But do you know if there is a fuse inside the JBR? I think mine may have blown up from the inside too. (just the charing part) the unit works but its low on battery,. |
| 08:57:29 | GodEater | SaadSaeed: no idea - sorry |
| 08:58:28 | linuxstb | SaadSaeed: I haven't looked at them, but these may help - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardwareSchematics |
| 08:58:41 | amiconn | linuxstb: The svn quickscreen sets the sysfont, prints the text, and resets the font. So as soon as the text starts scrolling, the scrolling text switches to the user font and creates an ugly overlay effect |
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| 09:00:20 | amiconn | SaadSaeed: If the JBR doesn't charge, the charging circuit inside might be blown. Iirc there should be some documentation in the wiki regarding what circuit you need and how to change it |
| 09:00:47 | amiconn | And no, JBR can't charge from USB, physically |
| 09:01:08 | SaadSaeed | thx folks |
| 09:01:12 | amiconn | JBFM and JBRV2 can, albeit only very slowly |
| 09:01:27 | SaadSaeed | nah mine is the old JBR20 |
| 09:01:39 | SaadSaeed | ive modded it to become 80gb |
| 09:01:51 | SaadSaeed | and the trusty thing has lasted me very long |
| 09:02:11 | SaadSaeed | an overcurrent in our house blew up many things |
| 09:02:39 | SaadSaeed | the adapter went away for sure, and im thinking the charging mechanism inside the jbr may also have been compromised |
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| 09:04:37 | * | amiconn also has an 80GB-modded JBR among his collection |
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| 09:05:18 | amiconn | It's actually one of my mainly used targets |
| 09:05:21 | scorche | sadly, my 160GB JBR died (at least the hard drive did) =/ |
| 09:05:43 | * | SaadSaeed <3 Rockbox and wants JBR to live |
| 09:06:39 | SaadSaeed | scorche its an afternoon tweak to re-add a new drive to it, should be fun project to relive. |
| 09:07:15 | Horschti | wow, that really sucks |
| 09:07:29 | Horschti | especially since 160GB drives are somewhat pricey |
| 09:08:15 | JdGordon | yep.. scrolling the two side items does not work too well... |
| 09:08:16 | SaadSaeed | are they? |
| 09:08:38 | GodEater | SaadSaeed: 1.8" ones are - not 2.5" |
| 09:08:59 | SaadSaeed | i thought since 500gb ones for laptops were introduced recently the price of regular ones should have gone down |
| 09:08:59 | scorche | well, i got this one when they first came out at around...400 ish? |
| 09:09:06 | SaadSaeed | ouch |
| 09:09:24 | Horschti | wait.. does the JBR use 2.5? |
| 09:09:29 | scorche | yes |
| 09:09:37 | Horschti | oh, didn't know that |
| 09:09:45 | Horschti | must be some brick then |
| 09:09:47 | Horschti | :) |
| 09:09:52 | SaadSaeed | lol |
| 09:10:03 | amiconn | Unfortunately, 160GB is still the largest you can get - all larger 2.5" HDDs are SATA, unfortunately |
| 09:11:01 | scorche | unfortunate, indeed :) |
| 09:11:44 | amiconn | Horschti: Yes, compared to newer targets, it is a brick, but it still has better sound quality than many of the newer targets, it's reliable, and you can easily replace the battery for little money |
| 09:11:49 | SaadSaeed | what do u guys recommend for a next upgrade though from a modded 80Gb JBR? |
| 09:11:53 | amiconn | It uses 4 NiMH AA cells |
| 09:12:07 | Horschti | damn... Cells rule |
| 09:12:11 | * | SaadSaeed shhh dont let my JBR know |
| 09:12:23 | SaadSaeed | but Cells are heavy |
| 09:12:48 | Horschti | my old flash based player ran 12h with a single AAA rechargable cell |
| 09:12:51 | SaadSaeed | the HDD itself is not that heavy its those 4 AA cells (the bigger ones) that add gravity |
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| 09:14:39 | scorche | add...gravity... |
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| 09:15:31 | SaadSaeed | but yeh it does. B) |
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| 09:19:06 | SaadSaeed | Hello LinusN |
| 09:19:27 | LinusN | hey ho |
| 09:19:31 | SaadSaeed | welcome to Rockbox how can we help you? |
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| 09:19:46 | SaadSaeed | ;) |
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| 09:20:04 | LinusN | nope |
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| 12:23:37 | broom | Hello. Just wanted to let the developers know. Yesterday, I performed an svn update and built a simulator for H120 (under Windows, using cygwin). And then had a crash in the slidig puzzle plugin after pressing 'play' (aka F8) |
| 12:24:30 | LinusN | ouch |
| 12:25:17 | pixelma | it's known http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080131#08:04:08 |
| 12:27:02 | broom | Ah, ok then. |
| 12:28:59 | pixelma | it tries to switch to album art mode. It should use a cover.bmp matching to the song you're playing, if there is none or if you don't play music > problem, which is a crash in the sim, I didn't notice on target unless you enable said "catch mem accesses" on coldfire targets |
| 12:30:13 | broom | I don't use album art (no AA in the WPS) and the music wasn't playing as I started the plugin. |
| 12:30:53 | broom | So everything is as expected, I assume. |
| 12:31:57 | broom | pixelma. BTW: what is 'album art mode'? The picture of the album art is used in the puzzle? |
| 12:32:18 | pixelma | yes, a new addition to it |
| 12:32:33 | broom | Hua, cool! |
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| 13:00:44 | amiconn | LinusN: The bug is actually in the core's album art code |
| 13:00:56 | LinusN | oh |
| 13:00:56 | amiconn | It uses pointers which might be NULL without checking |
| 13:01:00 | LinusN | i see |
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| 13:03:16 | petur | amiconn: you have an iriver lcd remote, right? Can you check http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15242.0 - it works fine for me but two users claim otherwise |
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| 13:04:47 | tessarakt | hmpf |
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| 13:05:03 | tessarakt | I can't install Rockbox on my new Sansa e280 ... |
| 13:05:20 | tessarakt | rbutilqt says it does not find a Sansa |
| 13:05:30 | * | LinusN dropped his x5 and smashed the joystick :-( |
| 13:05:56 | pixelma | tessarakt: you sure it is not a v2? |
| 13:06:24 | LinusN | luckily i found out which model it is, and will order a new one before it goes out of stock |
| 13:06:42 | LinusN | the manufacturer stopped producing them |
| 13:07:26 | tessarakt | pixelma: i'm not sure |
| 13:07:31 | tessarakt | how can I find out? |
| 13:07:59 | pixelma | safest method is to check the original firmware's version (somewhere in their "system" menu IIRC |
| 13:08:01 | tessarakt | damn company ... |
| 13:08:01 | pixelma | ) |
| 13:08:05 | tessarakt | k |
| 13:08:12 | tessarakt | I specifically asked them to check that |
| 13:08:20 | amiconn | petur: Not now, but maybe tonight. Do you have ticking reduction enabled? |
| 13:09:18 | tessarakt | Settings->Info |
| 13:09:24 | tessarakt | V03.01.11F |
| 13:10:19 | pixelma | unfortunately that's a v2, the firmware version of v1 players are starting with 01.xx.xx |
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| 13:10:36 | tessarakt | gnaa |
| 13:10:38 | tessarakt | idiots! |
| 13:11:19 | tessarakt | why do I ask them if it's a v2, if they don't bother? |
| 13:11:25 | tessarakt | gnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 13:11:52 | tessarakt | damn damn damn damn |
| 13:12:47 | tessarakt | ok |
| 13:12:58 | tessarakt | it says "model: e280v2" on the back |
| 13:13:34 | tessarakt | args |
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| 13:13:49 | tessarakt | the port for v2 is quite difficult I suppose? |
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| 13:14:54 | tessarakt | is v2 just different or are they deliberately trying to block alternate firmware? |
| 13:15:02 | LinusN | it is different |
| 13:15:19 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200v2 |
| 13:18:53 | tessarakt | what damn kind of producz policy is that? |
| 13:18:57 | pixelma | there's also a forum thread in the new ports section about the v2 players |
| 13:19:04 | tessarakt | naming totally different devices identically ... |
| 13:21:42 | n1s | tessarakt: basically the same as apple is/was doing with the ipods |
| 13:21:56 | tessarakt | Apple is different |
| 13:22:09 | tessarakt | with Apple you know they want to sell proprietary crap |
| 13:24:37 | petur | amiconn: yes, that is on. I assume that is default because I never touched that. |
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| 13:33:08 | tessarakt | damn |
| 13:33:13 | tessarakt | those idiots |
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| 13:37:17 | amiconn | petur: I think it's off by default |
| 13:37:39 | * | petur checks his config |
| 13:38:06 | tessarakt | and the USB connection does not seem to be very stable ... |
| 13:40:59 | petur | amiconn: you're right, it is off by default.. will also check this tonight ;) |
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| 13:45:49 | tessarakt | I hope you have success with v2 ... |
| 13:46:02 | tessarakt | and I now have a player that does not even support Ogg |
| 13:46:04 | tessarakt | hmpf |
| 13:49:06 | GodEater | I didn't think there was anyone actually working on the v2 port ? |
| 13:49:26 | GodEater | I mean, info on the platform has been gathered, but no-one is writing any code are they ? |
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| 13:51:36 | tessarakt | damn |
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| 13:56:22 | tessarakt | " Firmware File Format - We have not yet figured out this firmware format, you can help!" |
| 13:56:31 | tessarakt | that is something SanDisk should do |
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| 13:57:29 | linuxstb | Why would you expect them to do that? No manufacturer ever has (afaik). |
| 13:58:01 | tessarakt | not for MP3 player, that might be true |
| 13:58:18 | tessarakt | look at WRT54G(L?) routers ... |
| 13:58:41 | tessarakt | Linksys has published sourcecode and toolchain ... |
| 13:58:46 | GodEater | they run a Linux kernel though - which means Linksys is required to make it open |
| 13:59:02 | GodEater | AFAIK the sansas don't run any sort of open source kernel |
| 13:59:20 | linuxstb | GodEater: That doesn't always follow... |
| 13:59:30 | GodEater | what doesn't ? |
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| 13:59:52 | linuxstb | That a Linux kernel means that manufacturers make things open. |
| 13:59:53 | * | GodEater disregards certain chinese based manufacturers that have no respect for the GPL |
| 14:00 |
| 14:00:22 | * | petur points GodEater to TiVo |
| 14:00:24 | linuxstb | That's why GPLv3 exists... |
| 14:00:45 | GodEater | I don't believe I mentioned running an altered firmware |
| 14:00:51 | B4gder | it also requires the copyright owner to bother |
| 14:00:52 | tessarakt | well, someone should sue those Chinese manufacturers |
| 14:00:53 | GodEater | I was talking about the sourcecode and toolchain |
| 14:01:03 | linuxstb | We were talking about the firmware file format. |
| 14:01:08 | tessarakt | and if China does not enforce copyright, go to the government |
| 14:01:11 | tessarakt | -> trade war |
| 14:01:15 | linuxstb | i.e. how to generate firmware images to run on the device. |
| 14:01:30 | GodEater | we were speaking of slightly different things then I guess |
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| 14:01:47 | GodEater | I assume the format could be released (if it were required to be so) without the keys required to make it runnable |
| 14:01:52 | tessarakt | http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=e200&thread.id=9720 |
| 14:02:07 | tessarakt | sorry, wrong thread |
| 14:02:19 | tessarakt | http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=e200&thread.id=9721 |
| 14:02:46 | GodEater | oh lovely, another unofficial installer |
| 14:03:09 | B4gder | great... |
| 14:03:38 | * | GodEater makes a mental note to avoid the sandisk install forum for a few more weeks |
| 14:03:39 | * | B4gder is on crutches after yesterday's Floorball... |
| 14:03:41 | preglow | rbutil sitll doesn't work perfect? |
| 14:03:50 | GodEater | preglow: hasn't for me |
| 14:03:54 | linuxstb | GodEater: Even worse, this disclaimer - "Any issues with rockbox should be taken to www.rockbox.org and discussed in through their forum channels. Please don't expect SanDisk or the Admins/Mods of this forum to assist with anything Rockbox related."... |
| 14:04:08 | GodEater | fresh installs of it always produce "invalid configuration" messages |
| 14:04:25 | GodEater | linuxstb: I feel the need to post a rejoinder :) |
| 14:04:26 | tessarakt | ok, bye |
| 14:04:28 | tessarakt | and thanks |
| 14:04:37 | GodEater | "please don't expect us to help with this unofficial installer. Signed: Rockbox" |
| 14:05:04 | preglow | GodEater: oh, yeah, i've had that too, but it goes away when i configure it |
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| 14:05:15 | GodEater | preglow: I couldn't make it go away :( |
| 14:05:19 | GodEater | it didn't matter what I did |
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| 14:07:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Morning, everyone! |
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| 14:09:52 | GodEater | interesting, I can't even get it to build now |
| 14:10:09 | GodEater | qmake doesn't appear to do much, and "make" complains there's no rule to make rbspeex |
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| 14:25:59 | markun | B4gder: did you break anything? |
| 14:27:34 | B4gder | nothing is broken, although there might be a fracture |
| 14:28:04 | B4gder | did some x-rays already but I haven't gotten the verdict yet |
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| 14:29:07 | * | petur had never heard of floorball before |
| 14:29:21 | B4gder | it's very big in Sweden |
| 14:29:27 | markun | petur: 'zaalvoetbal' maybe? |
| 14:29:32 | GodEater | I've never heard of it either |
| 14:29:37 | B4gder | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floorball |
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| 14:29:37 | petur | markun: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floorball |
| 14:29:42 | petur | lol |
| 14:29:50 | B4gder | hehe |
| 14:34:23 | XavierGr | oh Bagder you had an accident? |
| 14:34:52 | B4gder | exercise is dangerous |
| 14:35:00 | XavierGr | indeed! |
| 14:35:40 | XavierGr | hope that you get well soon, walking on crutches isn't fun :( |
| 14:36:06 | petur | XavierGr: it means more time behind the pc ;) |
| 14:37:09 | XavierGr | petur: haha indeed, well then maybe we have to see more rockbox work from Bagder until he gets better ;P |
| 14:37:40 | B4gder | I was supposed to begin getting my son used to the child care today |
| 14:37:59 | B4gder | it's really hard to "handle" a 16 month old guy on crutches |
| 14:38:32 | petur | only takes one good hit :p |
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| 14:43:32 | GodEater | similar to Bandy, but without the ice, and smaller teams... |
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| 14:43:46 | B4gder | yeps |
| 14:43:54 | B4gder | and a lighter ball |
| 14:44:01 | markun | and more dangerous |
| 14:44:08 | markun | :) |
| 14:44:09 | n1s | It's commonly called "indoors bandy" in swedish too |
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| 14:45:46 | GodEater | could someone please check that they can build rbutilqt ok? My copy of the svn tree for it is broken it seems (two missing targets in the make file)... |
| 14:46:13 | pixelma | n1s: hence the title of the swedish wikipedia article :) |
| 14:46:46 | n1s | yep :) |
| 14:48:38 | n1s | thanks for fixing my messup in the c200 platform file btw |
| 14:50:32 | pixelma | np |
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| 14:58:49 | linuxstb | GodEater: Obvious question, but do you have a copy of apps/ and tools/ in your rbutil tree? It's not self-contained any more. |
| 14:59:42 | GodEater | I've got apps/ tools/ rbutil/ all in the same directory... |
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| 15:00:11 | linuxstb | Then that's my list of things to check exhausted. |
| 15:01:39 | GodEater | are we using qt4, or qt3 ? |
| 15:02:04 | linuxstb | I'm pretty sure it's 4 |
| 15:02:27 | GodEater | my Makefile has this reference in it : Makefile: rbutilqt.pro /usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf |
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| 15:02:55 | linuxstb | Do you have a qmake-qt4? |
| 15:03:33 | linuxstb | I've just updated to current svn, run "qmake-qt4" and make seems to be working nicely. |
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| 15:03:47 | linuxstb | (in Linux) |
| 15:04:12 | GodEater | changing that line to reference qt4 seems to have fixed things |
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| 15:04:32 | GodEater | out of interest what version does qmake-qt4 return for you (when run with -v) ? |
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| 15:04:54 | linuxstb | QMake version 2.01a |
| 15:04:54 | linuxstb | Using Qt version 4.3.3 in /usr/lib |
| 15:05:10 | GodEater | that's what qmake (no qmake-qt4 on my system) returns too |
| 15:05:18 | GodEater | wonder how that reference to qt3 got in there then |
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| 15:46:11 | DerPapst | morning all :-) |
| 15:46:56 | DerPapst | is there any nice api call to determine the maximal width a character of the user font can have? |
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| 15:50:02 | DerPapst | is rb->lcd_getstringsize("M", &width, NULL); asuming M has the maximal width the only solution? |
| 15:54:08 | markun | I hope there is a better way. Let me take a look. |
| 15:54:52 | markun | the font struct has a ->maxwidth |
| 15:54:55 | PaulJam | isnt there the ->maxwidth variable in the font struct for that purpose? |
| 15:55:09 | markun | ;) |
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| 15:56:48 | DerPapst | aha.. thank you :-) |
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| 16:12:11 | kugel | Can someone give me a hint how I can set the backlight brightness in a plugin to the highest value? |
| 16:13:37 | petur | add it to apps/plugin.[ch] |
| 16:14:19 | petur | making a flashlight plugin? ;) |
| 16:14:24 | kugel | yea |
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| 16:14:44 | hcs | the power of the sun, in the palm of my hand |
| 16:14:51 | markun | on the gigabeat and e200 we could also have flashing button lights :) |
| 16:15:03 | kugel | there's one on the tracker, but it doesn't seem to set the brightness higher |
| 16:15:29 | petur | kugel: you'll have to add a function to the plugin api |
| 16:15:35 | kugel | I tend to use my e200 as a flashlight, I really want such a plugin |
| 16:15:48 | kugel | oh, I hoped there's allready such one |
| 16:15:54 | petur | better make it two: one to set and one to revert to config value |
| 16:16:06 | DerPapst | more fun with a 5.5G iPod... it's backlight is insanely bright :-D |
| 16:16:14 | petur | it's not much work, check apps/plugin.c |
| 16:16:23 | DerPapst | *its |
| 16:17:08 | DerPapst | forgive my stupidity, but how do i access the font struct in a plugin? |
| 16:18:06 | linuxstb | rb->font_get(FONT_UI) ? |
| 16:18:19 | linuxstb | (returns a pointer to the font struct IIUC) |
| 16:19:45 | DerPapst | thanks. how is the name of the struct? just "font"? |
| 16:20:09 | linuxstb | See firmware/export/font.h |
| 16:20:22 | linuxstb | (and firmware/font.c for the implementation) |
| 16:22:42 | DerPapst | ah ok. so the answer is yes ;-) |
| 16:23:37 | linuxstb | Yes ;) |
| 16:27:07 | kugel | So I just add backlight_set_brightness to apps/plugin.[ch] and it will work? I looked at firmware/export/backlight.h and there's allready a function backlight_set_brightness (I guess I need that) |
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| 16:31:57 | * | DerPapst sucessfully wrote a crashyourdap.rock plugin :-D |
| 16:32:43 | * | petur throws some fish at DerPapst... |
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| 16:34:24 | DerPapst | :-P |
| 16:36:04 | amiconn | petur: You don't need special functions; just export the brightness setting function |
| 16:36:20 | amiconn | struct global_settings is exported already |
| 16:36:40 | petur | right |
| 16:37:53 | amiconn | Flashlight just needs to clear the backdrop, set background to white (on non-mono), and set backlight to always on, and maximum brightness (when the target supports setting brighntess) |
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| 16:39:39 | kugel | amiconn: The flashlight plugin on the tracker allready does the first three things |
| 16:39:47 | kugel | just the maximum brightness isn't included |
| 16:40:50 | * | petur admits using his h380 as flashlight from time to time, but just using the browser (another reason not to use cabbie :) ) |
| 16:41:15 | kugel | amiconn: Do you know how I can easily set it to the maximum value without knowing the values for all targets? |
| 16:41:24 | kugel | i.e. backlight_set_brightness(MAX); |
| 16:42:08 | rasher | kugel: maybe check the config-*.h if they set a maximum brightness define? |
| 16:42:20 | rasher | This is just me guessing, of course. |
| 16:46:00 | kugel | k |
| 16:46:57 | markun | kugel: I also have to look up stuff all the time. I'm sure you'll be able to find your way in the rockbox source tree soon. |
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| 16:47:26 | kugel | ye, I've looked in config-e200.h and there's "MAX_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING" |
| 16:47:29 | DerPapst | #define MAX_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING 32 |
| 16:47:31 | DerPapst | :-) |
| 16:47:39 | DerPapst | meh.. too slow :-( |
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| 16:48:06 | pixelma | markun: the c200 has also button lights and in contrast to the e200 you can even switch the "center" LEDs individually from the "menu" LED ;) |
| 16:48:13 | markun | kugel: I changed the Gigabeat MAX brightness just a few days ago, so hardcoding would be a bad idea anyway. |
| 16:48:32 | markun | pixelma: nice :) |
| 16:48:37 | kugel | markun: sure, that's why I searched for ;) |
| 16:48:49 | markun | although I never use the buttonlights on the gigabeat myself |
| 16:49:57 | kugel | Let's see, if my implementation works |
| 16:50:19 | kugel | Aren't the devs interested in a flashlight plugin? Could be very usefull in svn |
| 16:52:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: I'm not a dev, but I would be interested in a flashlight plugin. |
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| 16:57:05 | kugel | well, undefined instruction on the target :/ |
| 16:57:29 | DerPapst | yet another crashyourdap.rock plugin :-D |
| 16:57:39 | kugel | :D |
| 16:58:08 | kugel | I didn't even start the plugin |
| 16:58:15 | DerPapst | oh |
| 16:58:15 | kugel | right after boot it crashed |
| 16:58:34 | kugel | wow qt takes ages to compile |
| 16:59:11 | kugel | good that I have a dual core cpu, else my pc was paralized since about 1.5 hours |
| 16:59:38 | DerPapst | heh... |
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| 17:00:01 | petur | kugel: you put the functions on the same spot in the struct in the plugin.c and .h files? |
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| 17:00:18 | kugel | yes |
| 17:00:26 | DerPapst | happens to me every time i compile rockbox.. but luckily only for a few minutes :-P |
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| 17:05:24 | kugel | great it works |
| 17:05:52 | kugel | not sure why I had the undefined instruction, probably due to missing space at extracting rockbox.zip |
| 17:16:20 | kugel | wtf |
| 17:16:27 | kugel | the tracker won't let me add a comment |
| 17:16:33 | DerPapst | omg |
| 17:17:26 | kugel | ok, logging out and in helped |
| 17:17:38 | kugel | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8285 |
| 17:18:50 | DerPapst | /* welcome to the example rockbox plugin */ <−− umm yes.... |
| 17:19:56 | kugel | This is not from me, I just added the stuff to set the brightness to the previous version |
| 17:20:18 | n1s | the © is wrong too |
| 17:20:43 | kugel | "$Id: helloworld.c 12807 2007-03-16 21:56:08Z amiconn $" hehe |
| 17:21:03 | kugel | I guess it could need some clean-up |
| 17:21:54 | DerPapst | indeed ;-) |
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| 17:24:28 | pixelma | shouldn't the SOURCES entry be guarded by HAVE_BACKLIGHT? Wouldn't make sense and won't build properly for the normal Ondio builds otherwise... |
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| 17:24:59 | kugel | indeed |
| 17:25:26 | kugel | didn't think about that. Again, I added very little stuff to the previous version |
| 17:26:05 | DerPapst | you're the last who added someting there, so you earn all the blame :-P |
| 17:26:31 | kugel | =( |
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| 17:27:42 | kugel | http://pastebin.ca/891385 <−− better? |
| 17:28:16 | petur | real names are required.... |
| 17:28:36 | J3TC- | A friend of mine is asking how to find out what generation of ipod nano she has |
| 17:28:39 | DerPapst | change $Id: flashlight.c 16213 2008-02-04 17:22:08Z $ to $ld$ |
| 17:28:42 | J3TC- | I don't have ipod so I wouldn't know |
| 17:29:03 | GodEater | J3TC-: apple's website provides a handy guide |
| 17:29:10 | DerPapst | J3TC-: http://ipodlinux.org/Generations |
| 17:29:12 | J3TC- | Ok, thanks |
| 17:29:28 | J3TC- | Ah even better ;d Thanks thanks |
| 17:29:29 | GodEater | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688 |
| 17:34:23 | kugel | pixelma: apps/plugins/CATEGORIES doesn't need to be guarded? |
| 17:34:38 | DerPapst | kugel: no |
| 17:35:36 | DerPapst | it even contains plugins that aren't enabled in SOURCES. the perl script only processes the entry if there is a compiled rock :-) |
| 17:35:49 | kugel | k |
| 17:36:23 | linuxstb | kugel: You should also read the comments in plugin.h about how to add new functions to the plugin API (search for PLUGIN_API_VERSION and read forward) |
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| 17:39:45 | kugel | Oh |
| 17:40:49 | kugel | So that the plugin doesn't crash (but doesn't even start) the player if it's started with an older version of the plugin api? I.e. I switch to an older version of rockbox, and the plugin.rock is still there remaining from the newer version? |
| 17:42:06 | DerPapst | yes. i guess you have to bump the minor version to 100 |
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| 17:42:43 | DerPapst | meaning PLUGIN_API_VERSION |
| 17:43:10 | kugel | So I bump PLUGIN_API_VERSION to 100, but not PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION since I didn't remove a function? |
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| 17:45:34 | DerPapst | seems like you didn't add the new stuff to the end of the struct so i guess you have to bump PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION to 100 as well. but i'm not sure |
| 17:45:54 | amiconn | New functions should *always* be added to the end |
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| 17:46:46 | kugel | amiconn: Yes, I did that now. But I'm not sure if I need to bump PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION to 100 too :/ |
| 17:47:01 | amiconn | Only if an incompatible change is *necessary*, the functions waiting at the end shall be sorted into their respective group, and the minimum version bumped |
| 17:47:04 | kugel | But I think yes, since I added stuff, and not only changed existing fuctions |
| 17:47:18 | amiconn | nope |
| 17:47:42 | amiconn | The whole point of adding new functions at the end is to not have to bump the minimum version |
| 17:47:55 | kugel | ok |
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| 17:49:12 | kugel | So, I add the function at the end, do not increase PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION and add a comment, that this function should be moved up on the next necessary bump of PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION |
| 17:49:44 | amiconn | There should already be a comment in plugin.h up to where the functions are sorted |
| 17:49:56 | amiconn | New functions should be added below that comment |
| 17:50:20 | linuxstb | Seems we have a lot of "new" functions now... |
| 17:50:53 | amiconn | Hmm, but the api version and min version don't differ much |
| 17:51:21 | GodEater | someone added a load all in one go ? |
| 17:51:24 | amiconn | Seems like a dev made the api incompatible and forgot to do his homework... |
| 17:51:57 | linuxstb | svn blame is staring at jhMikeS... |
| 17:52:12 | DerPapst | poor jhMikeS... |
| 17:57:02 | kugel | Is this one ok now? http://pastebin.ca/891421 |
| 17:58:47 | * | DerPapst votes for yes |
| 17:59:38 | * | pixelma mentions petur's "real name" comment again |
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| 18:00:38 | kugel | You mean I should add the real name in the head of flashlight.c? I just looked into other existing plugins, there wasn't the real name written |
| 18:00:45 | kugel | No problem though |
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| 18:01:30 | petur | if you insert a copyright, it should not be a nickname |
| 18:01:40 | petur | (imho) |
| 18:01:53 | jhMikeS | huh? |
| 18:02:07 | kugel | petur: I agree |
| 18:02:12 | pixelma | kugel: I only saw real names in the copyright line when I checked a few right now |
| 18:02:33 | linuxstb | kugel: I guess you're confusing the SVN username included in the $id$ line ? |
| 18:03:18 | kugel | probably |
| 18:03:46 | DerPapst | ah.. and change $ld$ to $Id$ heh.. i was confusinf the small l with the capital I |
| 18:03:55 | DerPapst | *confusing |
| 18:04:10 | kugel | http://pastebin.ca/891431 ? |
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| 18:04:31 | kugel | Well, I definitely learned my lesson today |
| 18:04:56 | DerPapst | heh |
| 18:05:13 | DerPapst | "no more rockbox coding"? |
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| 18:05:28 | * | linuxstb wonders if people will want a flashlight plugin in SVN |
| 18:05:48 | kugel | Because it's great! I often use my e200 as a flash light |
| 18:05:53 | * | petur thinks there are plugins that are far more useless |
| 18:05:58 | kugel | Also, it doesn't hurt, since it's only a plugin |
| 18:06:12 | * | DerPapst would probably use it if he's to lazy to switch light on |
| 18:06:32 | petur | linuxstb: just look at the amount of flashlight programs that exist for windows mobile devices |
| 18:06:34 | kugel | Or, if it's too dark to spot the light switcher |
| 18:06:52 | amiconn | Flashlight will be fun on M3.... |
| 18:06:52 | petur | kugel: option to add: color chooser |
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| 18:07:02 | linuxstb | petur: I wouldn't know... |
| 18:07:03 | DerPapst | heh |
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| 18:07:06 | pixelma | I wouldn't use it myself |
| 18:07:08 | linuxstb | I guess we need remote support as well then? ;) |
| 18:07:16 | petur | lol |
| 18:07:21 | amiconn | If the remote isn't plugged, there will be no backlight of course. But it could also switch on all status LEDs |
| 18:07:36 | kugel | petur: what? |
| 18:07:51 | petur | to select a red light (night vision) |
| 18:09:01 | amiconn | linuxstb: The M3 remote will be handled as the main lcd in rockbox |
| 18:09:22 | amiconn | Otherwise there would be too many special cases (e.g. many plugins don't use the multi screen api) |
| 18:09:53 | linuxstb | Sounds sensible. |
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| 18:10:28 | kugel | petur: Isn't night vision green? Anyway, I assume you're kidding |
| 18:10:43 | petur | no I'm not |
| 18:11:09 | petur | and one normally uses red to not screw up your night vision |
| 18:12:01 | petur | but because you first have to operate your player to start the plugin, I guess it would be somewhat useless |
| 18:12:50 | kugel | Well, I'm not sure if I get what you're telling me. |
| 18:13:48 | petur | if you use red light, you're not left with that 'all black' feeling when you switch the light off again |
| 18:13:57 | karashata | kugel: red light is easier on eyes that have adjusted to the dark, green light is pretty harsh in those cases |
| 18:14:13 | petur | so you can continue seeing things in the dark after using it |
| 18:14:15 | iamben | and you can develop film while picking new music to play |
| 18:14:23 | kugel | Oh, didn't know that |
| 18:15:01 | petur | would be perfect fos swapping CF crads in the dark, keeps all the images safe :p |
| 18:15:08 | petur | *for |
| 18:15:15 | petur | *cards |
| 18:15:16 | DerPapst | hahahaha |
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| 18:16:50 | kugel | petur: But why a color picker then? I expect the plugin to be working on the first click, so I assume defaulting to red wold be better |
| 18:17:16 | DerPapst | maybe scroll through colours? |
| 18:17:49 | n1s | there is already a colorpicker for the core which could be reused |
| 18:18:11 | pixelma | if you have two colour players set one to green and the other to red and use them as position lights? ;) |
| 18:18:17 | kugel | I don't really want the color to be picked :/ Either red or white. |
| 18:18:21 | DerPapst | not touching the scroll related buttons -> white; stzarting to scroll from bright red to yellow green blue... and stuff |
| 18:18:42 | kugel | DerPapst: This sounds more like a disco plugin :) |
| 18:18:42 | * | linuxstb senses feature creep ;) |
| 18:19:24 | n1s | make it have a strobe mode! |
| 18:19:33 | DerPapst | hehe |
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| 18:20:47 | DerPapst | yay |
| 18:20:58 | * | DerPapst chrashed his sim again :-D |
| 18:22:12 | kugel | lol, just noticed the plugin isn't working with a backdrop :/ |
| 18:22:37 | DerPapst | doesn't clear it? |
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| 18:24:11 | kugel | well, my scite window just dissapeared |
| 18:26:36 | kugel | Shouldn't "rb->lcd_set_backdrop(NULL);" remove the backdrop? |
| 18:27:26 | DerPapst | you might have to call rb->lcd_clear_display(); |
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| 18:44:23 | kugel | No, doesn't work |
| 18:44:53 | DerPapst | then draw a huge rectangle :-P |
| 18:47:27 | DerPapst | rb->lcd_set_background(LCD_WHITE); maybe? |
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| 18:49:03 | amiconn | You need (mostly in that order): rb->lcd_set_backdrop(NULL); rb->lcd_set_background(LCD_WHITE); rb->lcd_clear_display(); rb->lcd_update(); |
| 18:49:17 | kugel | amiconn: Yes, the lcd_update was missing |
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| 18:49:26 | amiconn | Of course, the first 2 only apply if LCD_DEPTH > 1 |
| 18:50:28 | kugel | though, on the sim it's black |
| 18:51:04 | DerPapst | did you do rb->lcd_set_background(LCD_WHITE); ? |
| 18:51:27 | kugel | Yes, of course |
| 18:51:41 | DerPapst | hmm... no idea then... |
| 18:53:53 | kugel | ah, on the target it's white |
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| 18:56:19 | * | DerPapst hates UI stuff |
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| 18:56:54 | DerPapst | it's tedious enough already for a single target.... |
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| 19:02:30 | kugel | Finally |
| 19:02:56 | DerPapst | already added the strobe mode and the color stuff? |
| 19:02:59 | DerPapst | :-P |
| 19:03:09 | kugel | no |
| 19:03:16 | kugel | I don't see a need for that stuff |
| 19:03:25 | kugel | feel free to add it |
| 19:03:29 | DerPapst | </bad_joke> |
| 19:03:32 | DerPapst | -.- |
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| 19:04:35 | kugel | I thought about doing it redish, but then I wondered why normal flashlights don't have red light (and there was no LCD_RED) |
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| 19:05:13 | DerPapst | *cough*LCD_RGBPACK(255,0,0)*cough* |
| 19:05:15 | DerPapst | :-P |
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| 19:05:35 | rasher | Starting red, then moving to full power at the press of a button would be nice |
| 19:06:20 | kugel | I don't really think that red is good |
| 19:07:10 | kugel | IMO the flashlight should give maximum brightness, which is not given using red, is it? |
| 19:07:35 | jhMikeS | red is useful when night viewing starmaps and such :) |
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| 19:08:18 | Borg^Queen | sweet |
| 19:08:33 | DerPapst | dude |
| 19:08:53 | Borg^Queen | Hi people, quick question, I have a sansa e280, will rockbox work on that (I dont' think its a V2)? |
| 19:08:58 | jhMikeS | awesome |
| 19:09:18 | n1s | Borg^Queen: if it isn't a v2 then rockbox will work just fine |
| 19:09:25 | rasher | kugel: well, do you want a redflashlight.rock? |
| 19:09:37 | Borg^Queen | n1s: thanks |
| 19:09:44 | kugel | rasher: I'm fine with white |
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| 19:09:55 | rasher | kugel: But red is very useful |
| 19:09:56 | jhMikeS | just have a color setting |
| 19:09:57 | rasher | Oh ah |
| 19:10:13 | rasher | jhMikeS: I don't see anyone needing anything but red and "bright"? |
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| 19:10:33 | kugel | wtf happened |
| 19:10:43 | rasher | -:- Signoff kugel: #rockbox (Remote closed the connection) |
| 19:10:57 | kugel | weird |
| 19:10:59 | Borg^Queen | thanks people I'll let you know how it goes... |
| 19:11:00 | jhMikeS | rasher: that's all I'm thinking as well since those are actually used commonly |
| 19:11:30 | kugel | I didn't do anything. My firefox (including chatzilla) suddenly dissapeared |
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| 19:12:07 | DerPapst | heh... /me has that too from time to time ^^ |
| 19:12:11 | jhMikeS | but by the time you've navigated to the plugin your night vision is already messed up :) |
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| 19:12:41 | rasher | jhMikeS: That is true... anyway, it could simply switch from white to red on all buttonpresses unless it's the quit button |
| 19:12:56 | DerPapst | not if you set the backlight brightness to low before :-P |
| 19:14:08 | kugel | Feel free to add it. I have the patch uploaded allready, and I'm not going to add red, since I'm not interested in having red at all |
| 19:14:32 | petur | ok, so we will not commit it :p |
| 19:14:53 | * | jhMikeS was just finding a way to rationalize red |
| 19:15:37 | kugel | petur: Whatever. It doesn't like it's going to be committed anyway. |
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| 19:16:04 | petur | it will, but it will do red ;) |
| 19:16:10 | Aevum | i was wondering |
| 19:16:24 | kugel | You could add a comment that you want to have red, I'm certain you wil find someone will make the job |
| 19:16:27 | Aevum | if the toshiba gigabit F is supported, why arent the kenwood daps supported ? |
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| 19:16:40 | Aevum | arent they based on the same plataform ? |
| 19:16:45 | DerPapst | just another 10 lines.. if at all :-P |
| 19:17:08 | kugel | DerPapst: Go ahead. |
| 19:17:47 | DerPapst | maybe... but not today ;-) |
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| 19:18:10 | PaulJam | i'm wondering if it wouldn't be easier to just create a folder named "flashligt" and put various config files in it, that clear the backdrop, set a colour and the brightness. |
| 19:19:29 | kugel | The problem is, if we add red to the flashlight, we'd have to bother with keymaps again. |
| 19:19:49 | Aevum | ok |
| 19:19:56 | Aevum | ill take the no response as we dont know, thank you |
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| 19:20:08 | rasher | kugel: Huh? Just have an "exit" button, and all other buttons switch colours |
| 19:20:42 | kugel | I'd rather have one switches the color, and all others exit |
| 19:20:59 | kugel | probably a good job for PLA this time |
| 19:21:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | Why was that Aevum guy so impatient? |
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| 19:22:13 | Aevum | i was not impatient, but i usualy dont start bothering people who do not wish to answer me |
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| 19:22:52 | DerPapst | maybe no one of the ones reading the channel currently knows the answer? |
| 19:22:58 | Aevum | exactly |
| 19:23:22 | Aevum | im not going to start spaming my question just incase someone didnt read it, im gonna come later and ask again |
| 19:23:37 | rasher | I think you're both on the same page but don't realise it.. |
| 19:23:40 | DerPapst | or wait until someone replies |
| 19:23:41 | Llorean | Aevum: The kenwood daps aren't supported because nobody who owns one has done any of the remaining work. |
| 19:23:49 | DerPapst | that is probably the best way |
| 19:23:51 | Aevum | ok, thank you |
| 19:24:11 | Llorean | Aevum: If you own one, feel free to pitch in, it's never going to happen until someone who owns one does the work, as with any port. |
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| 19:24:28 | Aevum | im not a coder |
| 19:24:43 | Aevum | i do know kenwood released the source for the kernel as part of the GPL |
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| 19:25:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Aevum: Best thing to do now is to go hunt it down. |
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| 19:26:29 | Llorean | And find a forum or location with fans of the player, and find out if they know about Rockbox, and the potential it can add. One way or another, you're going to need an interested developer who owns the player, and the best place to recruit one is from "among people who already have the player" |
| 19:26:42 | Soap_Work | Buschel: I'm going to get out of work early today - will have new v14 builds up in a few hours from now. |
| 19:26:51 | Soap_Work | Will also build all the 4G test patches. |
| 19:27:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Plus, if you have any good information about the device already, start a wiki page on the Rockbox site for it. |
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| 19:28:00 | mewshi | hi :) |
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| 19:29:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Aevum: Here's a link on the wiki that mentions the Kenwood DAPs: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus#Pre_Development_Ports |
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| 19:31:11 | Aevum | i wonder if i can shove the gigabeat F kernel in it |
| 19:31:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Aevum: Not likely. |
| 19:31:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | There may be hardware in the Kenwood DAPs that isn't in the Gigabeat. |
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| 19:32:01 | Aevum | yea |
| 19:32:19 | mewshi | Mew? |
| 19:32:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | So what you should do is start a wiki page for the Kenwood DAPs, and take Llorean's advice and look for forums dedicated to them. |
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| 19:34:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ahh, looks like we've got a link to the source for the Kenwood DAPs already: http://www.kenwood.com/gpl/english/hd20ga7_hd30ga9.html |
| 19:34:45 | gevaerts | How much variance is expected between multiple charges ? I'm doing some battery tests on my c250 (for Buschel's patch and WPS impact), and I'd like to know what kind of error is possible on the measurements |
| 19:35:39 | Aevum | well, the battery lengh fallows a normal curve |
| 19:35:54 | Aevum | a new battery will take X charges to peak, and then start to drop |
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| 19:36:18 | BigBambi | gevaerts: It depends how often the 'disk' in the c200 spins up |
| 19:36:26 | BigBambi | all in inverted commas |
| 19:36:31 | Aevum | aswell, with lithium batteries the indicator tends to get to get decalibrated, so every 4-6 months its recomnended you cycle the batteries |
| 19:36:41 | Aevum | isnt the C200 a sandisk flash player ? |
| 19:36:47 | BigBambi | On hard drive targets, battery_bench only saves the readings when the disk is spun anyway |
| 19:36:54 | BigBambi | Aevum: yes, hence the inverted commas |
| 19:37:04 | amiconn | Yes, and on c200/e200 battery_bench doesn't work properly |
| 19:37:23 | BigBambi | gevaerts: So the maximum you could lose on a hard drive target in the buffer length |
| 19:37:30 | gevaerts | amiconn: I'm using the patch that's circulating somewhere |
| 19:37:42 | amiconn | With svn it doesn't write the log at all, and with the hackapatch in the tracker, it logs too often |
| 19:37:43 | BigBambi | amiconn: I thought it didn't, hence all my talk of on hard disk targets :) |
| 19:37:46 | pixelma | aka "the hack" |
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| 19:40:58 | Buschel | gevaerts: if you do multiple measurements at least the 90-10% runtime should be nearly identical. a full battery bench might suffer from not fully loaded battery and the last entry not being written due to forbidden HDD-access (caused by low voltage) |
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| 19:42:42 | gevaerts | Buschel: I'll do something like that. I really want to find out if the wps runtime impact is as big I seem to see. |
| 19:42:57 | mewshi | Hi there :3 |
| 19:44:31 | pixelma | mewshi: do you expect all people in the channel to reply now? ;) And if you have a specific question... do as the guidelines say and just ask? |
| 19:45:03 | mewshi | no, i just wanna hang out here ^_^' |
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| 19:45:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | .... |
| 19:46:39 | markun | LambdaCalculus37, Aevum: the Kenwoods firmware upgrade unfortunately works differently from the Gigabeat one, so we first have to figure that out. |
| 19:46:53 | Aevum | ha, ok, thank you |
| 19:46:56 | markun | Aevum: do you own one? |
| 19:47:06 | Aevum | 20gb media ket |
| 19:47:10 | Aevum | keg |
| 19:47:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: I figured. :) Just because the CPU is the same doesn't mean the whole device is the same. |
| 19:47:30 | Aevum | i dont use it anymore for several reasons |
| 19:47:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | Aevum: Did you register on the wiki? |
| 19:47:35 | markun | Aevum: will you be here in a few minutes? (phone) |
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| 19:47:41 | Aevum | yes |
| 19:47:43 | Aevum | no |
| 19:47:54 | Aevum | ill be here, but i havent registed on the wiki |
| 19:48:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration |
| 19:49:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Now's the best time to start posting up any info that you have about the Kenwood players to the wiki. |
| 19:57:09 | gevaerts | If I compare the runtime on soap's device_disable build for v16179 with and without WPS, I get a difference of nearly 3 hours (16 hours vs 13 hours). |
| 19:57:48 | Buschel | gevearts: what WPS do you use? |
| 19:58:01 | DerPapst | just courious... does something like LCD_HSVPACK() exist? |
| 19:58:12 | gevaerts | Buschel: the default one |
| 19:58:20 | amiconn | DerPapst: What should that do?? |
| 19:58:44 | Buschel | gevaerts: Cabbie? or the old one with peak meter? |
| 19:58:53 | DerPapst | convert an hsv value to the internal rgb format? dunno |
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| 19:59:10 | gevaerts | Buschel: The old one. The peak meter probably plays a part here |
| 19:59:54 | pixelma | Buschel: the all text one is still the default... |
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| 20:00:12 | Buschel | gevaerts: definately. soaps measurements showed a big impact when peakmeter is displayed −− when choosing a WPS without peakmeter the runtime degradation isn't that large |
| 20:00:44 | Buschel | pixelma: ah, ok. I thought it was already changed |
| 20:02:01 | amiconn | DerPapst: LCD_RGBPACK() mainly exists because of the different internal pixel formats. However, HSV->RGB conversion is (1) not pixelformat dependant, so the programmer can convert beforehand and use LCD_RGBPACK(). (2) HSV->RGB depends on what you convert, so such a macro cannot exist in a generic form |
| 20:02:31 | amiconn | (I'm thinking about YUV mostly) |
| 20:02:35 | DerPapst | ok |
| 20:03:31 | gevaerts | Buschel: So it probably makes sense not to update the WPS when the backlight is off on devices where the screen is not readable without |
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| 20:09:32 | Sammy_ | hi there - just a quick question - I have a 5th generation Ipod video and I was wondering if rockbox can play video??? |
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| 20:10:10 | DerPapst | yes. but not as good as the applefirmware and only mpeg1 and 2 |
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| 20:10:27 | scorche|w | it can, but on those devices, you will be better off playing video through the original firmware |
| 20:10:39 | Sammy_ | so no avi, divx etc |
| 20:10:45 | scorche|w | avi sint a format |
| 20:10:53 | scorche|w | well, it isnt a video format |
| 20:10:54 | Sammy_ | .avi |
| 20:10:58 | DerPapst | it's a container |
| 20:11:12 | scorche|w | meaning it can contain any number of different video types |
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| 20:11:23 | DerPapst | for e.g. divx, xvid, bla, blubb |
| 20:11:36 | DerPapst | s/for// |
| 20:11:40 | Sammy_ | pitty |
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| 20:12:12 | Sammy_ | wud be handy not to have to convert video |
| 20:12:14 | scorche|w | not really...you typically need to re-encode for a portable device anyway, so why not change to mpeg 2 while you are at it? |
| 20:12:19 | BigBambi | Sammy_: Why? They are harder to decode and you need to re-encode to the correct screen size anyway |
| 20:12:30 | BigBambi | scorche|w wins |
| 20:12:45 | Sammy_ | well the zen videos play most |
| 20:12:46 | scorche|w | as i said, you would ahve to anyway....good luck trying to play a 1080p video on your ipod :) |
| 20:12:52 | Sammy_ | without converting |
| 20:12:53 | BigBambi | Sammy_: So |
| 20:12:53 | amiconn | I'm not so sure anymore that mpeg4 is harder to decode than mpeg2. Given that many mobile support mpeg4 only... |
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| 20:13:14 | preglow | it is harder to decode than mpeg2 |
| 20:13:17 | BigBambi | Sammy_: Do you just copy straight on, or do you have to use a management program? |
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| 20:13:19 | Sammy_ | not hard its a pain in the ass |
| 20:13:26 | * | BigBambi bets it is converted as you sync |
| 20:13:27 | preglow | not necessarily by much, but it always is |
| 20:13:36 | scorche|w | Sammy_: and how do you get teh video on there?...typically the software converts it without making it apparent to the user that it is formatting |
| 20:13:45 | preglow | amiconn: don't be surprised if that mobile support is hardware accelerated... |
| 20:13:46 | * | scorche|w is slow today =/ |
| 20:14:06 | Sammy_ | no zen can have it just dropped in |
| 20:14:08 | BigBambi | scorche|w: 1:1 :) |
| 20:14:15 | Sammy_ | no conversion |
| 20:14:19 | markun | Aevum: I have an UPDATE.DAT file from the Kenwood firmware update, but have not been able to decrypt it |
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| 20:14:28 | markun | Are there any firmware files on the HDD of the player? |
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| 20:14:52 | Sammy_ | vlc player on rockbox wud be excellent |
| 20:15:00 | BigBambi | Sammy_: Not going to happen |
| 20:15:17 | markun | Also, Kenwood is very proud of the special 'digital amplifier' used in these players. I don't know if those have a DAC integrated, but I haven't been able to find any more info on them. |
| 20:15:22 | BigBambi | The iPod for instance has dual 80 MHz CPUs |
| 20:15:27 | scorche` | and how would you propose doing that? |
| 20:15:35 | Aevum | let me check |
| 20:15:35 | markun | Maybe you could take some pictures of the motherboard so wel can find out more about it? |
| 20:15:50 | BigBambi | Sammy_: Try resizing a video on the fly with that whilst decoding a demanding format |
| 20:15:53 | scorche` | Sammy_: this sint your desktop computer...this is an embedded device.. |
| 20:16:13 | BigBambi | Sammy_: Try being reasonable, and understanding the capabilities of the devices |
| 20:16:26 | Aevum | there were some pictures posted on head-fi |
| 20:16:49 | Sammy_ | i know but thats what id like from an ipod shud be so easy - wasters in apple and microsoft - fools |
| 20:16:54 | markun | Aevum: on the Gigabeats there is a GBSYSTEM folder. It's hidden and marked as system, so you have to change some settings in explorer (if you use windows) to see it. |
| 20:17:03 | * | BigBambi gives up |
| 20:17:09 | scorche` | Sammy_: eh?...that doesnt make any sense... |
| 20:17:12 | Aevum | theres a KWSYSTEM folder, hidden |
| 20:17:16 | Sammy_ | it does |
| 20:17:26 | BigBambi | No, it doesn't |
| 20:17:32 | Aevum | theres a FW subdirectory |
| 20:17:33 | BigBambi | Try to express it differently |
| 20:17:36 | Sammy_ | make a player that plays most formats deal done |
| 20:17:45 | Sammy_ | simple |
| 20:17:53 | markun | Aevum: could you zip that folder and host it somewhere for me? Attach it in the forum for example |
| 20:17:55 | BigBambi | So if it is so simple, why isn't it done |
| 20:18:02 | scorche` | you would need to vastly increase the power in such devices which would increase the price by a few hundred dollars... |
| 20:18:02 | BigBambi | I'll give you a clue - price |
| 20:18:07 | * | GodEater_ wants a Mr. Fusion. Also simple. Not. |
| 20:18:12 | Sammy_ | cus they want to sell u crap from their store |
| 20:18:16 | BigBambi | No, price |
| 20:18:16 | scorche` | BigBambi: i see me as winning that one? =) |
| 20:18:20 | Sammy_ | as .mp4 |
| 20:18:25 | BigBambi | scorche`: 2:1 |
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| 20:18:44 | amiconn | Sammy_: With video, it simply doesn't make sense to support playing resolutions larger than the lcd. And since that means you have to convert anyway, it also doesn't make sense to support many formats |
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| 20:18:57 | amiconn | That's *very* different from audio format support |
| 20:18:58 | Aevum | markun, ok |
| 20:19:05 | BigBambi | scorche|w: You can only win if you stay on-line :) |
| 20:19:07 | Sammy_ | it does really cus ipods ave a tv out function |
| 20:19:12 | Sammy_ | which i use |
| 20:19:16 | markun | Aevum: or maybe DCC it |
| 20:19:18 | BigBambi | Sammy_: Could you try using English? |
| 20:19:27 | Aevum | markun, give me a sec |
| 20:19:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | Sammy_: And try to make some sense when you speak. |
| 20:19:47 | markun | poor sammy |
| 20:19:48 | Sammy_ | dry ur eyes |
| 20:19:51 | amiconn | TV out doesn't work in rockbox (and neither in ipl afaik) |
| 20:19:56 | bluebrother | TV out doesn't work in Rockbox. |
| 20:20:05 | austrian_webgues | are you twins ;) |
| 20:20:08 | amiconn | There's an echo in here ;) |
| 20:20:30 | Sammy_ | i never said it did |
| 20:20:35 | preglow | tv out will work on gigabeat s, i hope |
| 20:20:42 | Sammy_ | i was talking about ipods in general |
| 20:20:55 | scorche|w | Sammy_: well, this is #rockbox...anything else is offtopic |
| 20:21:04 | BigBambi | In that case most ipods don't have tv out |
| 20:21:19 | Sammy_ | not really considering it would be usefull on it |
| 20:21:27 | Sammy_ | thats all im saying# |
| 20:21:28 | DerPapst | wonder what tv out has to do with different resolutions and video codecs :-S |
| 20:21:29 | BigBambi | Sammy_: Feel free to implement it |
| 20:21:50 | amiconn | Someone with enough interest in TV out would need to make it work. And that most probably means he'd also have to figure out how to use the broadcom chip for video decoding |
| 20:22:07 | markun | DerPapst: the TV-out of the Gigabeat S supports much higher resolutions than the 240x320 of the LCD |
| 20:22:07 | amiconn | DerPapst: Well, TV out supports more than 320x240 |
| 20:22:12 | Sammy_ | derpapst was making two main points you fool |
| 20:22:13 | markun | echo.. |
| 20:22:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Without any documentation, that may not happen any time soon. |
| 20:22:29 | scorche|w | Sammy_: play nice... |
| 20:22:33 | BigBambi | Sammy_: If you are not going to be polite, leave |
| 20:22:34 | markun | scorche|w: am I the fool? |
| 20:22:44 | Aevum | markun, im going to DCC the file to you |
| 20:22:44 | markun | eh, that was for Sammy_ :) |
| 20:22:48 | markun | Aevum: thanks |
| 20:22:54 | scorche|w | suuure :) |
| 20:22:58 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: Depends. There's also no documentation for the PP chips, and given that rockbox already runs fairly well |
| 20:23:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Sammy_: If you've got problems with the Rockbox devs, feel free to leave this channel. |
| 20:23:51 | amiconn | It will require some really low-level work though (disassembling the main OF, and perhaps even watching it run using JTAG - if that's possible on the G5) |
| 20:24:05 | Aevum | markun, have you accepted the file ? |
| 20:24:13 | DerPapst | markun: so on the iPod (640x480 iirc) however you have to reencode the videos for the OF either... |
| 20:24:24 | austrian_webgues | Where is this discussion leading to anyway? The CPUs aren't fast enough, so even Sammy co |
| 20:24:32 | austrian_webgues | *uln't make it work |
| 20:24:36 | Sammy_ | dont have a prob. was just making a valid point until i received a few idiotic responses |
| 20:24:56 | BigBambi | austrian_webgues: He could in the iPod video if he figured out how to use the Broadcom chip |
| 20:24:57 | Sammy_ | seems people dont want to discuss new ideas |
| 20:24:59 | scorche|w | those responses were rational and your point was not valid... |
| 20:25:07 | JdGordon|w | this is our channel though... so by definition they couldnt be idiotic responses |
| 20:25:10 | DerPapst | indeed |
| 20:25:14 | amiconn | Sammy_: These ideas aren't new at all |
| 20:25:16 | BigBambi | Sammy_: New ideas that are do-able, sure |
| 20:25:28 | BigBambi | Not ones that come up all the time and are not feasible |
| 20:25:32 | Sammy_ | you know what i meant |
| 20:25:34 | amiconn | They were discussed a dozen timnes, at least |
| 20:25:41 | BigBambi | Sammy_: Not really |
| 20:25:42 | scorche|w | Sammy_: one cant just magically wish the ipods to have a more powerful processor |
| 20:25:45 | austrian_webgues | This idea has been rejected before, for exactly the same reasons |
| 20:25:47 | Sammy_ | then ur an ass |
| 20:25:51 | amiconn | Check the channel logs if you want to find out |
| 20:25:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Sammy_: Oi! |
| 20:25:55 | Mode | "#rockbox +o scorche|w " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 20:25:56 | Mode | "#rockbox +b %*!*home@A-119-237.cust.iol.ie " by scorche|w (n=42c007b2@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 20:26:01 | DerPapst | bye... |
| 20:26:06 | JdGordon|w | aaww |
| 20:26:18 | scorche|w | you cna be muted for 10 min while you have a chance to look over the guidelines |
| 20:26:28 | | Quit Sammy_ (Client Quit) |
| 20:26:36 | DerPapst | finally -.- |
| 20:26:40 | * | scorche|w had the ban line on the clipboard :) |
| 20:26:48 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 20:26:51 | kugel | bluebrother: Hi, can you tell my why I can't compile rbutil? I followed the steps in the wiki |
| 20:27:00 | markun | Aevum: see your PM.. |
| 20:27:14 | * | amiconn wonders whether iol is the irish twin of aol :/ |
| 20:27:19 | bluebrother | kugel: on windows? |
| 20:27:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hooray for the brave work of scorche|w! :) |
| 20:27:29 | BigBambi | amiconn: haha :) |
| 20:27:36 | kugel | bluebrother: No, linux (ubuntu 7.10) |
| 20:27:37 | DerPapst | hehehe |
| 20:27:47 | pixelma | bluebrother: GodEater also reported problems... |
| 20:27:49 | kugel | I have qt version 4.3.3 installed |
| 20:28:19 | bluebrother | and you're sure you're running qt4 qmake I guess? |
| 20:28:23 | DerPapst | kugel: maybe you have the same problem like GodEater a couple of hours ago? |
| 20:28:37 | pixelma | (must be in today's logs somwhen in afternoon) |
| 20:28:45 | austrian_webgues | Do you have build-essential |
| 20:28:47 | austrian_webgues | ? |
| 20:28:48 | bluebrother | mom, phone |
| 20:29:15 | austrian_webgues | Can any one of you help me with a coding problem? It's quite strange, I've already opened a thread in the "coding" forum and attached my source code. |
| 20:29:38 | kugel | DerPapst: What do you mean? Can't find recent IRC logs where GodEater speaks |
| 20:29:53 | austrian_webgues | Essentially I cannot call a function that is declared inside of plugin.h although I've included plugin.h... |
| 20:30:10 | kugel | oops |
| 20:31:31 | kugel | No, it's not the same issue |
| 20:32:05 | kugel | I had the "no rule to make rbspeex" before I updated to qt 4.3.3 properly |
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| 20:32:41 | * | bluebrother back |
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| 20:33:46 | kugel | bluebrother: http://pastebin.ca/891589 |
| 20:33:55 | GodEater_ | kugel: I had to fix a line in the Makefile that had been changed to somethinf referring to qt3 specific after I upgrade my version of qmake |
| 20:34:08 | amiconn | austrian_webgues: You *must not* call any core functions directly. You have to use the plugin api |
| 20:34:38 | GodEater_ | kugel: You're lacking the usb.h |
| 20:34:47 | GodEater_ | probably from libusb-dev not being installed |
| 20:34:55 | bluebrother | kugel: do you have libusb (and the dev package) installed? |
| 20:34:58 | bluebrother | GodEater_: beat me ;-) |
| 20:35:07 | GodEater_ | \o/ |
| 20:35:34 | kugel | I don't think so |
| 20:35:55 | bluebrother | well, you need it. |
| 20:36:02 | austrian_webgues | amiconn: What do you mean? |
| 20:36:08 | kugel | which one do I need? libusb0 or libusb-0.1.4 |
| 20:36:41 | kugel | that could've been mentioned in the wiki imo |
| 20:37:15 | austrian_webgues | amiconn: The plugin api does not allow me to load another plugin, which is what I need to do. |
| 20:37:34 | amiconn | You simply cannot do that |
| 20:37:48 | * | bluebrother is just adding this to the wiki page |
| 20:38:08 | austrian_webgues | Is there any way I can start another plugin AFTER my plugin has ended? |
| 20:38:24 | austrian_webgues | So only one plugin is running? |
| 20:38:26 | GodEater_ | libusb-0.1.4 |
| 20:38:29 | GodEater_ | and libusb-dev |
| 20:38:35 | amiconn | Not atm. It could be added, but that function would need to reside in the core |
| 20:38:45 | kugel | GodEater_: thanks, libusb0 didn't work anyway :) |
| 20:38:50 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 20:39:16 | amiconn | It could actually be rather simple. There could be one function (or simply a char array) in the plugin api that takes the name of the new plugin to run |
| 20:39:30 | kugel | hmm there're many warnings about unused parameters |
| 20:39:41 | bluebrother | I know ... |
| 20:39:47 | amiconn | Then a special return value of the old plugin would tell the core that the new plugin should be loaded |
| 20:39:52 | kugel | ok, it compiled now |
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| 20:41:35 | austrian_webgues | Since my knowledge of rockbox is very limited, I don't want to change the "core" of it. |
| 20:41:48 | austrian_webgues | I only want to display some text... |
| 20:42:14 | JdGordon|w | why do you need two pluygins running? |
| 20:42:16 | DerPapst | can't you do that in the same plugin then? |
| 20:42:50 | austrian_webgues | I'd have to implement scrolling etc. |
| 20:42:59 | JdGordon|w | why? |
| 20:43:07 | bluebrother | GodEater_: just checked the logs for your rbutil issue. You're sure you used Qt4's qmake? |
| 20:43:21 | austrian_webgues | My plugin extracts the lyrics from a mp3 file and displays them. |
| 20:43:25 | kugel | hmm, the archieved version is actually newer than the current build. Is that normalß |
| 20:43:27 | kugel | ? |
| 20:43:31 | bluebrother | Happened to me a couple of times I used the wrong version. |
| 20:44:07 | n1s | kugel: that's because no code commits were made yesterday, or today so far |
| 20:44:30 | kugel | But, shouldn |
| 20:44:36 | JdGordon|w | austrian_webgues: are you doing it with timestamps? you could easily use the list widget to show the text once its loaded from the file |
| 20:44:37 | austrian_webgues | Since it has to display more lines than the screen can show, it has to be scrollable... |
| 20:44:46 | kugel | But shouldn't the current build at least as new as the archieved build? |
| 20:44:52 | kugel | if not, even newer? |
| 20:44:53 | n1s | or rather that the daily is built regardless of amount of commits |
| 20:44:56 | JdGordon|w | seen as lines are fairly narrow in songs that shuold work fine |
| 20:44:57 | austrian_webgues | @jdgordon: how? |
| 20:45:15 | austrian_webgues | I've never worked with lists |
| 20:45:24 | n1s | kugel: if the archived is newer they will be the same code |
| 20:45:24 | austrian_webgues | this is my first rockbox project! |
| 20:45:27 | JdGordon|w | they are simple... look at the text editor plugin |
| 20:45:39 | kugel | n1s: ok |
| 20:45:43 | * | scorche|w seems to remember a certain other rockbox project.. |
| 20:45:59 | pixelma | austrian_webgues: do you also know of the 2 patches in the tracker related to viewing lyrics? |
| 20:46:10 | JdGordon|w | apparently there are 2 austrian coders? |
| 20:46:25 | austrian_webgues | I'm not the "famous" austian_coder |
| 20:46:26 | scorche|w | it is possible.. |
| 20:46:36 | scorche|w | ah...i assumed :) |
| 20:47:02 | austrian_webgues | I know of the 2 patches in the tracker - but one that displays the unsynced lyrics does not work. |
| 20:47:40 | austrian_webgues | The extracting of the lyrics itself works perfectly, but I can't display them! |
| 20:48:33 | GodEater_ | bluebrother: I *was* using qt3's qmake |
| 20:48:44 | GodEater_ | I upgraded it, and removed whatever junk it had left in the Makefile |
| 20:48:47 | GodEater_ | and now rbutil builds |
| 20:48:51 | GodEater_ | problem solved |
| 20:49:48 | DerPapst | yay.. a colour fader :-D |
| 20:50:10 | DerPapst | using ugly floats... but well.... |
| 20:50:25 | Buschel | soap: next time you update the "devices disables" forum entry you can prune it. I've got all the information saved. |
| 20:50:57 | bluebrother | GodEater_: on my system I need to run qmake-qt4. After that it simply works |
| 20:51:18 | GodEater_ | I don't think I have any such binary |
| 20:51:25 | GodEater_ | qmake -v returns the correct version now |
| 20:51:52 | kugel | Buschel: did you read my question? |
| 20:52:38 | Buschel | kugel: I answered it about an hour before, you didn't receive it? -> go for the latest v14 |
| 20:53:04 | kugel | Buschel: Oh sorry, my chat client crashed few times today |
| 20:54:57 | * | amiconn reminds kugel that there are channel logs |
| 20:55:17 | kugel | amiconn: I asked him in a private chat |
| 20:55:25 | amiconn | ah |
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| 21:00:39 | amiconn | Crashing clients are nasty... fortunately my currently used (for years) client never crashed so far |
| 21:03:42 | pixelma | Buschel: you are not identified and unless kugel allows messages from unregistered users he won't be able to read your answers in a PM |
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| 21:05:14 | kugel | pixelma: Could also be the reason ;) |
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| 21:05:59 | soap | Buschel, cool, just got home |
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| 21:30:18 | soap | Buschel, I was going to continue to use the older SVN version due to the (unknown cause of) battery issues with latest SVN. |
| 21:32:35 | knittl | how much are the chances i will still get a sansa v1? i ordered it today on amazon... |
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| 21:35:10 | knittl | if it's a v2 however, i'd like to help out with testing and such, since i'd really love to see rockbox on it :) |
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| 21:39:15 | DerPapst | i doubt the chances are very high.... |
| 21:39:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | knittl: Did you buy it new? |
| 21:40:01 | knittl | verdammt >.< |
| 21:40:10 | knittl | LambdaCalculus37: yep... |
| 21:40:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then you're most likely going to get a v2. |
| 21:40:39 | knittl | shame... |
| 21:41:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, quite. Rockbox may not be working on the v2 Sansas for quite some time. |
| 21:42:09 | Ave | oh no, theres a sansa v2? bah |
| 21:42:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ave: Yes, and they have a totally different chipset inside compared to the v1 Sansas. |
| 21:42:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | So the v2 models are out of the Rockbox loop. |
| 21:43:50 | Ave | yea yea, as with ipod nano |
| 21:43:54 | Ave | sadness ensues |
| 21:44:08 | Ave | feels like I'm SOL when my nano 1st gne dies |
| 21:45:08 | knittl | well count on me with helping out, whenever possible |
| 21:45:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ave: eBay? |
| 21:45:21 | amiconn | Unlike nano, I'd say |
| 21:45:40 | amiconn | The nano is heavily protected with fully encrypted firmware etc |
| 21:45:41 | Ave | old ipod with dead battery aint too funny |
| 21:46:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | No, I mean go onto eBay to get another player. |
| 21:46:01 | Ave | mine is suffering from battery old age more than anything else, suppose its possible to change it yourself tho |
| 21:46:05 | Ave | new? |
| 21:46:06 | DerPapst | is there any rockbox target that is still in production? |
| 21:46:26 | Ave | also I wouldnt mind more memory |
| 21:46:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm afraid not. |
| 21:46:49 | amiconn | The v2 Sansas have a fairly high chance of getting rockbox ported to it - provided someone steps forward and starts porting |
| 21:47:03 | amiconn | s/it/them/ |
| 21:47:03 | DerPapst | the e200v1 was the last one then... |
| 21:47:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Amiconn: Ditto the Views. |
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| 21:47:35 | * | amiconn would be more interested in the Sansa clip (?) or the c200 v2 than the view or e200 v2 |
| 21:47:56 | amiconn | The view and the e200 are simply too big for a flash player |
| 21:48:33 | JdGordon|w | I think the e200's only problem is its too fat |
| 21:49:10 | * | DerPapst likes the e200 |
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| 21:49:40 | markun | amiconn: I read good things about the clip |
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| 21:50:46 | amiconn | Hmm, the clip has no card slot. So the express might be more interesting |
| 21:51:35 | amiconn | The clip's wheel is another con |
| 21:54:06 | * | amiconn wonders whether the express also uses the ams chip |
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| 21:59:53 | kugel | someone said the clip has to little RAM for rockbox |
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| 22:00:12 | knittl | well, i'm off for tonight |
| 22:00:17 | knittl | cu soon |
| 22:00:22 | JdGordon|w | yeah its only got 512kib or something doesnt it? |
| 22:01:06 | linuxstb | amiconn: I can't remember how I found it out, but I think the Express has a STMP3600 - http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-09/0005.shtml |
| 22:01:18 | amiconn | petur: The peakmeter does indeed have problems on the remote |
| 22:01:27 | amiconn | I even have a suspicion why.... |
| 22:02:23 | petur | which is? |
| 22:02:58 | amiconn | The peakmeter is simply not prepared for multi-screen |
| 22:03:13 | JdGordon|w | its not? |
| 22:03:17 | amiconn | There is a reason why the default rwps has no peakmeter |
| 22:04:16 | amiconn | Hmm, looks like it is... |
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| 22:07:30 | amiconn | In the recording screen, it looks like the remote peakmeter is updating, but much slower than the main one. After some time it stops updating completely |
| 22:07:42 | amiconn | That is *without* ticking reduction enabled, on H180 |
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| 22:09:22 | amiconn | Also happens on H340 |
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| 22:10:02 | petur | how long is 'some time'? |
| 22:10:24 | amiconn | On H340 it's even worse: as soon as the main lcd backlight goes off, the remote peakmeter stops updating |
| 22:10:34 | amiconn | Not sure, only observed that once |
| 22:11:09 | amiconn | Could just have been extreme clipping in conjunction with the slow update (I'm testing with the internal mic, making some funny noises ;) ) |
| 22:11:55 | amiconn | Same on X5 as well (without the H300 effect) |
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| 22:19:10 | Horscht | for creating ipod builds, I do not need sh-elf-gcc, correct? |
| 22:19:25 | Bagder | correct |
| 22:19:29 | Bagder | just the arm-* one |
| 22:19:35 | Horscht | nice, thank you |
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| 22:21:26 | linuxstb | Bagder: Do you know if anyone has tested installing modified firmwares on any of the V2 models? (e.g. changing some strings) |
| 22:21:44 | Bagder | there have been some tests |
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| 22:22:06 | Bagder | the first was a bit silly since the (first) checksum only covers the start of the file |
| 22:22:18 | Bagder | and the modified strings were outside of that |
| 22:22:33 | Bagder | but since then we've learned more about the firmware format |
| 22:22:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: Bah. But maybe there's an Express v2 as well, given that the Sansa website mentions audible support.... |
| 22:23:03 | Buschel | soap: it would be interesting to give the actual svn at least a chance. there has been a fix (rev 16197) by jhMikeS which may help with the high battery consumption of 5G 60/80GB. someone should test it. |
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| 22:23:06 | amiconn | Afaik, the STMP3600 is pretty limited and only does mp3 and wma |
| 22:23:20 | soap | Buschel, will make that then as well. |
| 22:23:42 | Buschel | soap: great. maybe you or horscht could give it a try? |
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| 22:24:08 | Buschel | i cannot see any influence on my ipod... |
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| 22:24:14 | linuxstb | amiconn: It should be quite capable - "ARM926EJ-S CPU with dual caches, embedded SRAM..." - http://www.sigmatel.com/products/portable/audio/stmp3600.aspx |
| 22:24:15 | soap | just finishing up the 15975 builds - took me a while to back-sync the patch. |
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| 22:24:21 | Bagder | linuxstb: the main remaining obstacle on the v2s is the lack of a known recovery mode |
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| 22:24:43 | Buschel | soap: will you prune the thread? |
| 22:24:48 | soap | Buschel, is it your understanding that only the 5th gen iPod was suffering? |
| 22:24:54 | amiconn | Hmm. Am I mixing up something? |
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| 22:25:01 | soap | Oh yea - I will prune the thread to keep the focus. |
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| 22:25:20 | Horscht | I will test the build, if soap compiles, Buschel :p |
| 22:25:29 | linuxstb | amiconn: Possibly... Sigmatel have both DSP-based chips and ARM-based chips IIUC. |
| 22:25:35 | Horscht | I am still trying to create a build environment :) |
| 22:25:38 | soap | Horscht, working on it now - and working on the thread - will shout when it is done. |
| 22:25:58 | Buschel | soap: no, as far as i understood all multicore targets suffered. but from the measurements the 5G 60/80GB suffered the most. |
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| 22:26:16 | amiconn | Ah, yes. It was the one used in the 1st Gen shuffle - the STMP3550, which is DSP 56K based |
| 22:26:17 | linuxstb | Bagder; No kind of usb boot mode mentioned in the datasheet? |
| 22:26:25 | Bagder | linuxstb: nopes |
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| 22:27:13 | soap | hmm, then we're going to have three tests to request of people. post 16197vs15975, your iPod 4th patches, and DDv14 vs stock. |
| 22:27:22 | crzyboyster | rasher: I am currently working on an update to the Hindi translation, but I would like to know how to make it so that the translation doesn't show up as translated when it is still in english? |
| 22:28:14 | crzyboyster | Like right now on the font translation page, it says that the Hindi translation is pretty much finished when it isn't. I am assuming that this is because the strings are in english? |
| 22:29:13 | JdGordon|w | crzyboyster: which langueages do you actually speak? im curios |
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| 22:29:18 | Buschel | soap: wasn't the bug in svn that the HDD took very long time to buffer into RAM? if so, you could check in short time. |
| 22:29:35 | obo | Any ideas on how to work out how a firmware was encrypted? I have the crypt, the plain, and the win32 app that decrypts it... |
| 22:29:44 | crzyboyster | I speak Hindi, English and am learning Spanish |
| 22:30:13 | JdGordon|w | k |
| 22:30:13 | Bagder | obo: if not hours of looking and testing works out, disassembly... |
| 22:30:17 | crzyboyster | And what do you mean by "actually"? Are you doubting my fluency? |
| 22:30:40 | soap | Buschel, then I will test that, and hold the 15xxx builds back unless they are found to be needed. |
| 22:30:52 | Bagder | crzyboyster: are you saying that the Hindi phrases are identical to the english ones? |
| 22:31:10 | Buschel | soap: could save some time on building and for the testers of course ;-) |
| 22:31:52 | crzyboyster | No. That was my first translation and I managed to leave the untranslated strings in English. Is there a way to define the nontranslated (or unable to be translated) strings as "undefined"? |
| 22:32:10 | Bagder | obo: you have the encryped + decrypted versions somewhere for us to have a look? |
| 22:33:04 | obo | Bagder: I don't have that much webspace - it's 35Mb ish... |
| 22:33:49 | linuxstb | obo: What firmware is it? |
| 22:33:59 | obo | linuxstb: Sansa Connect |
| 22:34:15 | linuxstb | What CPU is that ? |
| 22:34:24 | obo | Ti DM320 |
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| 22:36:56 | Bagder | obo: so how come you have an "unknown" win prog that decrypts it? |
| 22:37:26 | Horscht | Buschel, what needs testing, btw? |
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| 22:38:23 | Buschel | horscht: if actual svn still shows degraded runtime on the video ipods |
| 22:38:39 | obo | Bagder: it's the recovery util - it takes the crypt and sends it over USB to the DAP, in plain text |
| 22:38:58 | Bagder | ah, haha interesting solution... |
| 22:39:24 | Horscht | so, soap will build a recent svn with your latest patch, and I'll battery bench it again, to see wether or not it is far off the last results with 15xxx builds? |
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| 22:40:16 | obo | Bagder: I know it's not a simple XOR, and I don't think it's a trivial ROL/ROR either (he says with a page full of 0s and 1s) |
| 22:40:26 | linuxstb | obo: I'm guessing you don't really need to identify the encryption method then? Just write your own usb upload tool instead? |
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| 22:41:27 | obo | linuxstb: I need the file format that they've used - one of the recovery utils combines two input files somehow |
| 22:41:33 | Buschel | I guess soap will first check, if the actual svn still shows very long HDD-activity while buffering (this may caused the loss in runtime). |
| 22:43:28 | obo | linuxstb: one of the files that is sent is a plain .tar.gz - the other two are a linux kernel and initrd, in a custom file format |
| 22:43:40 | Buschel | horscht: you can also check a svn with 16103 < rev < 16197 against svn rev >= 16197 |
| 22:43:58 | Buschel | horscht: via using the daily builds |
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| 22:45:42 | Karti | Hi all, just a quick one.....if i have an Ipod, Rockbox will replace the OS on it and I will be able to play all sorts of variant ttune types from Ogg, mp3 etc |
| 22:46:00 | Horscht | well, I have a bench of 15975 and one of 16150 |
| 22:46:11 | Horscht | but that's PCFv03 vs DDv13 |
| 22:46:20 | pixelma | Bagder: palmtopia.de still seems to be misssing zip, the Recorder v2 is some revisions behind... |
| 22:46:21 | markun | Karti: depends on which ipod you have |
| 22:46:34 | Bagder | pixelma: ok, I'm disabling it |
| 22:47:16 | markun | Karti: on the frontpage you can see which ones we support: http://www.rockbox.org/ |
| 22:47:37 | markun | and here you can see what rockbox does: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 22:47:44 | Horscht | 16150 I also benched unpatched |
| 22:47:47 | Karti | markun: looking at buying one one of the Ipod Nano |
| 22:48:21 | Karti | markun: So I would have to get one of teh first generation nanos |
| 22:48:22 | Horscht | so, benching >= 16197 unpatched should show wether or not svn still shows degrading |
| 22:48:27 | Buschel | horscht: as far as i understood the failure is the following: the HDD is active for about 1min to buffer the audio files into RAM −− this consumes a lot of power and should happen with 16103 < rev < 16197. With rev >= 16197 there should be checked, if this still happens. So, there may be no full bench neccessary. |
| 22:48:36 | markun | Karti: yes, that's the only one rockbox runs on |
| 22:48:55 | markun | and it's not likely that it will run on the the 2nd or 3rd gen anytime soon |
| 22:49:34 | Horscht | so, I would get a recent build, and load a playlist and check, how long the HD spins? |
| 22:49:39 | Horscht | Buschel |
| 22:50:07 | Buschel | horscht: yep, and compare this to an older svn <16197 |
| 22:50:28 | Horscht | ok, that's something i can do right now |
| 22:51:00 | Karti | markun: Many thanks....final question, can I return the ipod to its original apple state at any time? |
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| 22:51:42 | markun | yes, you can always revert back and it's also possible to dual boot |
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| 22:52:38 | Karti | markun: thanks |
| 22:54:07 | markun | Bagder: I have an encryption puzzle: the Kenwood HD20GA7 firmware files |
| 22:54:35 | markun | interested? |
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| 22:55:19 | Bagder | didn't I already look at that before? |
| 22:55:28 | Bagder | a hard nut afair |
| 22:55:38 | markun | I think only at the firmware update files |
| 22:56:00 | Bagder | obo: so which file pair is the encryped/decrypted for comparison? |
| 22:56:01 | markun | but now I have the firmware files themselves |
| 22:58:04 | obo | Bagder: assets.tar.gz and yeverest_zap_ota_rel_ext_prod_1.1.1.50371.tar.gz.e, sent via zaprecover.exe |
| 22:59:20 | Bagder | and for the rest, obo's files are now here => http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/connect/ |
| 22:59:56 | obo | Bagder: the everest_initrd and everest_vmlinux are sent via zsi_fw.exe - I'm hoping that the encryption is the same on both, but have no proof one way or the other |
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| 23:02:51 | Buschel | gotta leave for real life now, see you tomorrow. |
| 23:03:24 | Buschel | horscht: just place your results here or in the forum thread, i'll check for it |
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| 23:16:53 | kugel | DerPapst: Nice work, but PLA would've shorten your work |
| 23:17:20 | DerPapst | PLA? |
| 23:17:31 | DerPapst | and thanks :-) |
| 23:17:35 | kugel | plugin lib action |
| 23:17:53 | kugel | it basically simplifies the buttom mapping |
| 23:18:04 | DerPapst | heh.. i couldn't bother to figure out how it is useD :_P |
| 23:18:18 | kugel | it's the more usefull the less buttons are used |
| 23:18:49 | kugel | I don't get your algorithm though, which colors are acutally available now? |
| 23:18:52 | DerPapst | infact, it took maybe 5 minutes to whipe those keydefinitions up. :-P |
| 23:19:44 | DerPapst | only the bright ones a transition from red to orange, yellow, green, blue, pink and red again |
| 23:19:44 | Bagder | obo: an interesting observation: the byte distribution of the encrypted file is very evenly distributed, while it isn't as even with the original |
| 23:20:16 | kugel | DerPapst: I think it's overkilled |
| 23:20:26 | Bagder | not that it helps much... |
| 23:20:57 | kugel | I was hardly with red, but you did something insane there :O |
| 23:21:08 | DerPapst | kugel: i'm using HSV to do that. so i only have to change the hue value and keep saturation and value at the maximum value... |
| 23:21:18 | DerPapst | as i said... it can be optimized ;-) |
| 23:21:40 | DerPapst | i think it's fun... :-P |
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| 23:22:19 | DerPapst | and it was a good training for one of my exams next week anyways.. |
| 23:22:21 | Bagder | obo: interesting string in zaprecover: "SHA-256 part of OpenSSL 0.9.8a 11 Oct 2005" |
| 23:23:07 | obo | Bagder: same string in zsi_fw |
| 23:23:10 | Bagder | not that sha256 is a crypto algorithm, but it would hint that it might be used somehow |
| 23:23:17 | kugel | DerPapst: You put the rb->"lcd_update();" into the HAVE_LCD_COLOR |
| 23:23:26 | Bagder | it's a hash algo |
| 23:24:04 | kugel | that means it won't work on non-color targets |
| 23:24:43 | DerPapst | kugel: oops :-) |
| 23:24:53 | DerPapst | there has to be one right below #else /* HAVE_LCD_COLOR */ |
| 23:25:09 | kugel | also, your action definitions and switch construction doesn't look very well to me |
| 23:25:32 | DerPapst | the only way it worked.... |
| 23:26:03 | DerPapst | otherwise it'd quit without you wanting it to quit. |
| 23:26:05 | kugel | why do you even define both FLASHLIGHT_NEXT and FLASHLIGHT_RIGHT vor scrollwheel targets? |
| 23:26:33 | DerPapst | or i'd have to define a FLASHLIGHT_QUIT thingy... |
| 23:26:40 | kugel | only 1 will do fine, you don't need to have both scrollwheel and left/right to do the same |
| 23:27:00 | DerPapst | because i want to use the scroolwheel _and_ the left - right buttons |
| 23:27:55 | kugel | whatever, but you still need to put rb->lcd_clear_display(); and rb->lcd_update outside of the HAVE_LCD_COLOR stuff |
| 23:28:14 | kugel | DerPapst: To be honest, I think your patch lacks of simplicity :) |
| 23:28:23 | DerPapst | some have to be in the do {} while loop |
| 23:28:30 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 23:28:44 | kugel | would like to see it running though :( I don't have time to compile atm |
| 23:28:47 | DerPapst | for the colour transition to work.. |
| 23:28:55 | DerPapst | heh |
| 23:29:41 | DerPapst | i haven't added the plugin lib patches.. otherwise i could send you the rock... |
| 23:30:45 | kugel | Nah |
| 23:34:33 | Horscht | wow, soap, you're fast :p |
| 23:34:38 | Horscht | nn |
| 23:34:41 | soap | I had them ready and waiting. |
| 23:34:46 | DerPapst | kugel: fixed :-) |
| 23:34:58 | * | Bagder discovers http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/ |
| 23:35:01 | soap | thanks for the quantitative test, Horscht |
| 23:35:16 | Horscht | np, I try helping where I can |
| 23:35:36 | Horscht | anyways, as I said. nn. gotta go to bed. |
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| 23:36:37 | kugel | DerPapst: Lol, why did you just put those lines before the #ifdef HAVE LCD_COLOR? :) |
| 23:36:46 | linuxstb | Bagder; Nice ;) |
| 23:36:51 | Bagder | like this: http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=linux-2.6-audioplus.git;a=tree;f=sound/soc/imx;h=6ec3997d4a71000172a828f83e8fa0a496be4c59;hb=imx31 |
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| 23:36:54 | kugel | ah i see |
| 23:37:06 | Bagder | not that we have a wm8350 (yet) |
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| 23:38:21 | DerPapst | kugel: heh :-) |
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