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#rockbox log for 2008-02-06

00:00:08Lloreanlinuxstb_: Ah, fair interpretation. It is a good option for users if it works, though since we don't support playlists yet. ;)
00:00:22linuxstb_Chained Ogg files is another example, and comparable to concatenated mpeg files.
00:00:31webguest27what do you mean will it join both of the videos together?
00:01:36LloreanI guess I should just test if rockbox handles it
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00:02:58linuxstb_jhMikeS should be able to tell us, but I would guess that at the very least seeking and the displayed runtime will be broken.
00:03:11LloreanSeems likely
00:03:17LloreanWell, lemme just download the smallest ED and check
00:04:01linuxstb_webguest27: I think the answer is that you can't easily join two video files together...
00:04:46Lloreanlinuxstb_: Well if you cat them, then use ffmpeg -i infile -acodec copy -vcodec copy outfile.mpeg, it should result in just re-containering the combined streams in one file, if what i've heard is correct.
00:04:56LloreanWhether that's "easy" depends on the user, I guess
00:05:30PaulJamif you want i can paste the batch file i'm using with mencoder somewhere, it joins the videos if you drop multiple files on it.
00:05:46webguest27yeah but the thing is i don't know how to do that. can you guys please help me out on how to join them together?
00:06:07webguest27i use winff converter will that do it?
00:06:48LloreanNo, winff won't do it.
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00:08:11PaulJamwebguest27: you could try this batch file: but you'll need to adjust some variables and the paths in the upper part of the file.
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00:10:58webguest27thank you. :)
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00:12:44PaulJamwebguest27: but i think it only works this way when the inputfiles have the same resolution.
00:12:48LloreanApparently rockbox handles concatenated mpeg2 files *very* gracefully
00:12:58LloreanIt seeks and plays fine within the first part, and ignores any extra ones.
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00:14:42webguest27i just wan to join like 4 videos together that are already converter to the mpeg format rockbox reads.
00:16:53dionoeawebguest27: something like this would work: vlc vid1 vid2 vid3 vid4 −−sout-keep −−sout "#std{access=file,mux=ps,dst=videoall.mpg}"
00:17:25dionoeaof course #videolan would be a more appropriate channel to discuss VLC usage than here
00:17:30webguest27okok thank you! :) Bye
00:17:41dionoea(and I'm sure that other tools exist that can merge videos)
00:17:57PaulJamwebguest27: if they are already encoded for rockbox you could try this batch file: (saves the transcoding).
00:18:22webguest27oh ok thank you! :) :) :)
00:18:33*dionoea notes that his solution doesn't transcode anything ... just remuxing
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00:20:32webguest27>PaulJam: how to i save that batch file?
00:21:20PaulJamsave it as a normal text file with the extension .bat
00:21:57webguest27ok thank you.
00:24:21webguest27if i'm supposed to drag and drop the videos on it it doesn't work...
00:27:31PaulJamhave you adjusted th path to the mencoder.exe? (i feel like this gets a little bit offtopic, maybe we should continue via PM)
00:27:57webguest27how to i use that batch file? what do i name it?
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00:29:00jhMikeSSimple concatenating of files won't work. It wouldn't make sense anyway
00:29:02webguest27i'm really sorry i just don't know how to do this stuff.
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00:32:17PaulJamwebguest27: it seems the batch file does indeed not work, sorry. i thought it used to work once. try the solution dionoea suggested.
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00:34:05webguest27ok thank you i have to go now bye! :)
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00:36:30jhMikeSLlorean: Think concatenation has to do with the fact that two concatenated elementary streams should produce a legal stream. This makes no sense in the PES layer at all.
00:39:01jhMikeSI can't really say "at all" but forcing it to support that would make loading slow (since the whole file would need scanning to determine length) and add some complication.
00:44:16LloreanjhMikeS: Alright. That's fine.
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01:16:43tessaraktok, I'm nearly finished reading once
01:17:22tessaraktbut as I know nothing about embedded development there's little chance I can be of help
01:17:32tessaraktbut the progress is indeed quite amazing
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01:33:53bughunter2can anyone recommend a good music player with 8gb or (preferably) more memory ? one that runs rockbox would be even better
01:34:39scorche|wthere are plenty of good ones...what sort of features do you want?
01:35:33bughunter2just mp3 (wma or ogg is not required) support actually, and also preferable is having hte player recognized as a "removable disk" under windows/linux
01:36:00bughunter2i forgot the real name, "universal storage class" device or something :)
01:36:19scorche|wstill doesnt narrow it down any :)
01:36:36bughunter2hmm, what else could i want? gapless playback would be good to have
01:36:46bughunter2battery life > 6hours
01:37:03scorche|wthese are features that rockbox has on almost all of its targets
01:37:09advlaptop2019bughunter2, how about the e280v1 or d2 (still working one port)
01:37:38bughunter2i don't like the e280, the navigation etc with the wheel ...
01:37:41bughunter2(same as with ipods btw)
01:38:16advlaptop2019bughunter2, the cowon iaudio d2.. a touchscreen
01:38:20scorche|wi wouldnt recommend grabbing a device while the port is still in progress quite yet...
01:38:35bughunter2if the original firmware is at least usable i'm fine with it
01:38:57scorche|wthen it is offtopic for this channel
01:39:23bughunter2well, i do prefer a player that rockbox supports
01:39:36bughunter2i bought a creative zen 8gb recently (before i had this iriver h340, returned it several times to iriver because of a broken battery)
01:39:43bughunter2and it already is broken, it won't turn on
01:40:17linuxstbscorche|w: If you wait until a port is finished to buy hardware, you may be too late...
01:41:04Psycoany chance i could get write permission to upload my WPS to the twiki?
01:41:29linuxstbSure, if you say what your twiki username is.
01:41:37scorche|whave we gotten a "ladies and gentlemen" from the d2 yet?
01:42:30linuxstbPsyco: Done.
01:42:49linuxstbscorche|w: It's nowhere near that stage yet...
01:43:06linuxstb(but it seems to be progressing fast)
01:43:19scorche|wlinuxstb: then i still wouldnt recommend it for a non-dev...
01:43:31*scorche|w shrugs
01:43:41bughunter2but i am a dev
01:43:54linuxstbBoth devs and non-devs have drawers to store players in...
01:44:18*scorche|w wonders how big linuxstb's drawer has gotten :)
01:44:30*linuxstb is reminded he is about 3 months late going to the post office...
01:44:38scorche|wsomething like that
01:44:57scorche|wi still dont have the time yet anyway =/
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01:51:19bughunter2how about the archos 204? will rockbox work on it?
01:52:03scorche|wthe players that rockbox runs on are listed on the front page
01:53:15bughunter2i know that, just wondering if somebody knows anything about if it'd be easy to port it actually
01:53:45scorche|wwell, you asked if rockbox will work...if it isnt on the front page, it wont work :)
01:54:02bughunter2true that :P
01:54:13scorche|wyou cna look for information on port attempts in the new ports section of the forum and in the wiki
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01:55:32bughunter2the problem is that the players rockbox supports are "gone", i can't find them anywhere in my country
01:55:41bughunter2well, i mean the big harddisk players
01:55:50scorche|wnot on ebay?
01:55:50bughunter2like the older archos
01:56:07bughunter2i don't like buying from ebay, what if the device is broken after a month of usage :/
01:56:51scorche|webay is your main is where a lot of rockboxers get their devices from
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01:59:08bughunter2scorche|w: so, and then (if i'd buy one) just hope the device works? :P
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01:59:29bughunter2my new creative zen, stopped working after 3 weeks of usage
01:59:39bughunter2my older iriver h340se, stopped working several times :P
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02:00:07bughunter2i kinda lost faith in trusting these devices :P
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02:03:45PaulJamif your h300's only problem is the battery i would rather replace that and use the H300 with rockbox.
02:04:45bughunter2it's harddisk is also broken :(
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02:08:13PaulJamthen replace that too, you have to take it out to replace the battery anyway. i think the MK4004/6GAH drives aren't that expensive.
02:09:25bughunter2hmm, is that really my only option?
02:11:30PaulJamno, but i thought it would be a pity to not use the h300 if it is easy fixable (assuming the HD and battery are the only broken parts). it is a very nice player with rockbox.
02:12:21bughunter2i know it's a nice player with rockbox :(
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02:14:33countrymonkeyany news on the Arabic translation?
02:15:07PaulJamyou can find the logs here:
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02:23:59bughunter2bedtime, goodnite :)
02:27:49avh22Hi, could someone give me write permission for the wiki? My username is AlexVanHeuvelen
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02:33:30pixelmaavh22: should be done
02:34:30avh22Thanks pixelma
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03:44:07MattAndrewAnybody know whether rockbox complies with the usb spec that says it can only draw 100mA from usb until it identifies itself to the hub as a high-current device?
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05:03:12cool_walking_Is it possible to have the Wiki's output HTML specify the height and width of images? It's really annoying having the page jump all over the place as images load.
05:05:35cool_walking_It sort of breaks SomePage#anchor links, in Firefox and IE6 at least, because you end up nowhere near the anchor.
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07:27:55azncan someone help me with rockboy
07:28:49cool_walking_azn: Just ask your question and if someone knows, they'll answer.
07:29:04aznwhere do i put the file
07:29:22cool_walking_The gameboy rom? Anywhere you want.
07:29:22azni have a ".gbc" file but where do i put it
07:29:27scorcheanywhere you want (although i wouldnt suggest inside the .rockbox folder)
07:29:49azni thought every thing goes in the .rockbox folder
07:30:00scorchewhere did you get that idea?
07:30:06azni put it in the games folder then it wasn't there
07:30:13aznwhen i checked
07:30:19scorche"games folder"?
07:30:31aznthen i changed my settings to view all files
07:30:37aznunder plugins
07:30:47scorchewhat told you to put it there?
07:30:56Horschtii think .gbc is not supported by rockboy?
07:31:00aznsomebody on the forums
07:31:01scorchesure it is
07:31:07cool_walking_If you put it there, it will not appear under the "Plugins" menu in Rockbox.
07:31:14cool_walking_You have to find it through the "Files" area.
07:31:14aznthen where
07:31:15scorcheazn: where?...can you link me?
07:31:42Horschtiazn, put it anywhere and use the file browser to run it
07:31:45cool_walking_.gbc _is_ supported by Rockboy.
07:32:15cool_walking_Just as if it were a music file, just "play" it.
07:32:30aznlet me try that
07:32:51azncould i put it in the wps folder
07:32:59cool_walking_Yes, but why?
07:33:02scorchewhy are you still trying to put it in those folders?
07:33:24aznhow do i put it into the playlist
07:33:45scorcheazn: please read the will explain what to do an idiot
07:34:10aznthe manual didn't tell me anything
07:34:20aznit just said it won't appear in the plugins certainly shows me the answer
07:34:44cool_walking_It will appear under "Files", just like any other file.
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07:37:55aznit works on the nano right
07:38:17scorcheas i said, it says quite plainly in the manual what you need to do
07:38:27scorchehave a look at chapter 10
07:38:59aznit says plugin return error
07:39:26aznwhen i open it
07:39:39scorchedid you look in the manual to see what to do as i said?
07:40:18aznch 10 where
07:40:21aznim in the manual
07:42:29Horschtilinked for your convinience
07:43:19aznthats ch. 9
07:43:54aznbut where is the filebrowser
07:43:59aznthat is what i don't understand
07:44:02scorchesorry...i was looking in a different manual
07:44:08scorcheyou do want chapter 9
07:44:20Horschtiin the main menu
07:44:22cool_walking_The file browser is the "Files" entry in the main menu.
07:46:34aznso just drop the file into the ipod
07:47:28Horschtiyes, that's what we have been telling you
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07:47:46azni got it in but when i load the file i get a yellowscreen
07:47:56aznwhen i open it
07:49:26aznso what do i do
07:50:39cool_walking_Try another rom.
07:54:03aznfinally i got
07:55:04aznthanks guys
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08:45:33SlasheriNico_P: hi, it should be obvious why the cuesheet code crashes without a slash. strcat(buffer, NULL); causes a segfault
08:47:47amiconnMany bugs are obvious once you tracked down the real cause...
08:47:48Slasheriah, never mind. you didn't mean that :)
08:48:33amiconnE.g. I know now why the peakmeter misbehaves as soon as more than one peakmeter is drawn at the same time. It has nothing to do with the remote lcd being special or so
08:49:05amiconnIt's just that peak_meter_draw() is stateful - it uses 3 static variables
08:49:38amiconnLooks like that peakmeter rewrite is really overdue now :/
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08:54:46eulerohi all
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08:55:36euleromay i ask for a doubt ?
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09:14:28markuneulero: what do you mean?
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09:30:49euleroi would like to know if ipod classic is a 5.5G
09:31:09LinusNeulero: no, it isn't
09:31:28eulerothan, no support for ipod classic ?
09:31:29LinusNthe classic is an entirely different beast, and rockbox does not run on it
09:32:26LinusNyes, that sucks
09:32:46eulerowhat a pity .... i had a nano2G .... bought Classic thinking to mod ....
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09:33:09euleronow i have two unmodding ipod ....
09:33:12eulerodamn ....
09:34:04LinusNthat sucks even more :-(
09:34:20euleroneither volume uncap is possible on classic ?
09:35:26LinusNi have no idea
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09:47:09pondlife"Classic" is such a misleading name...
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09:49:37LinusNpondlife: indeed
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10:00:03linuxstb_In what way? Taken in the context of the Touch and iPhone, I think "classic" is a good description of that ipod - it's the classic design (from a user's POV)
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10:03:22Nico_PSlasheri: what I meant was that the func shouldn't be given a filename without a slash, but it happens
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10:13:26pondlifeNico_P: Any ideas about the resume-on-startup issue?
10:13:38pondlifeOr shall I just start hacking away?
10:13:44Nico_Ppondlife: could you remind me the FS number?
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10:15:04pondlifeI suspect this may be the easiest one of the current playback issues to get a handle on. And hopefully also fix the weird track skipping on buffering?
10:15:23pondlifei.e. I stick with my "one problem, many symptoms" diagnosis ;)
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10:28:15Nico_Ppondlife: I must've overlooked some side effects in my latest bug fixes in playback.c
10:28:45pondlifeI suspect this one's ages old - probably when you fixed the transition point
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10:32:37pondlifeIt may be that the offset/index passed into some playback routines is still the "codec" position, not the "WPS" one
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10:33:13pondlifeI'm not too sure, though ;)
10:33:19pixelmacould 8520 be related?
10:38:59amiconnpetur: seen this morning's log (starting 08:48)?
10:40:26peturno, been pretty busy here at work. Will have a peek
10:41:10peturnice find
10:41:41Nico_Ppixelma: possibly
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10:56:19Nico_Ppondlife: what I find odd os that people report that the problem seems to have started at ~r16100, but the last playback.c change was r16039
10:58:10pondlifeMaybe a race condition now shown up by the spinlock changes?
11:00:46*Nico_P is really feeling the lack of a target
11:00:50pixelmamy impression is that it is a timing issue too
11:01:00Nico_PLinusN: ping
11:01:51Nico_PLinusN: would you allow amiconnto send me your ipod video for testing purposes?
11:03:26Nico_Pthanks you :)
11:03:44Nico_Pshould help me get into real debugging
11:05:07pixelmaNico_P: but you have to promise to not go skating with it ;)
11:05:28pondlifeskating or skiing?
11:05:29Nico_Phehe, I think I've learnt the lesson :)
11:05:41Nico_PI won't be doing any of those any time soon anyway
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11:05:54LinusNNico_P: you lost a device?
11:06:44Nico_PLinusN: I damaged my F's HD in a rather stupid iceskating accident
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11:24:02GodEateranyone else interested in this :"> ?
11:24:23GodEaterI should add it works for svn repositories too, and adds the current revision to the branch display too
11:26:09GodEaterI was wondering if I should host it in the wiki somewhere
11:26:11GodEaterbut not sure where
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11:26:59GodEateroh, and it also uses different colours when you're logged in as root, to hilight the fact that you should double check your commands before you run them ;)
11:27:44Shaidwhy not add an extra line as root saying "Don't do anything stupid. Yes, I'm talking to YOU."
11:29:20pondlifeNico_P: I have a spare 40GB HD, any use to you?
11:29:45Nico_Ppondlife: sure
11:29:58pondlifeYou have an F40, not an F20 ?
11:30:05pondlifehave/had, whatever
11:30:08Nico_Pyes, it's an F40
11:30:20pondlifeOK, mail me where to send the drive..
11:30:59GodEaterShaid: I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;)
11:32:02*GodEater just noticed his screenshot is pointing to the wrong prompt with the checked out "gigabeats" branch =/
11:32:10pondlifeIt'll be cheap - the cost is only one completely fixed playback engine ;)
11:32:18pondlife^ Nico_P
11:35:01GodEaterpondlife: you're an evil evil man
11:36:14pondlifeI think it's a fair deal
11:36:59GodEateryou've just basically said to Nico, "it's yours for the price of an eternity of sleepless nights, and a full head of grey hair"
11:37:19pondlifehaha, he's probably half way there anyway
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11:37:44Nico_Pindeed. sleepless nights but no grey hair yet :)
11:37:54pondlifeI was enjoying a sleepless night when I first thought up the buffering API
11:38:08pondlifeBad bad pondlife
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11:38:32pondlifeI was thinking it would never actually be written, but Nico_P made it happen
11:38:50pondlifeAnd now we can at least maintain playback.c
11:39:16pondlifeJust need to fix up the remaining bugs, and optimise the buffering some more I think.
11:46:21GodEaterI like that you keep saying "we" :)
11:46:51pondlifeI refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave yesterday.
11:46:54pondlifeAnd GodEater too
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11:47:52pondlifeSeriously, I'd love to do some more fixage, but I really don't have the time.. Wait until summer if you want
11:48:20GodEaterno no, I enjoy needling you too much
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12:18:55SSnakehello everyone
12:19:57SSnakeplease could anyone help me on a weird error?
12:20:22SSnakei'm trying to compile something written by me
12:20:39SSnakethanks linux
12:20:47SSnakelds error
12:21:10SSnakethe error is
12:21:17SSnake"non constant expression for origin"
12:21:26SSnakei'm writeing a plugin
12:22:04SSnaketried to copy / paste hello word.c and the results are the same
12:22:29SSnakei'm compiling a multi source plugin
12:22:34SSnakecreated new dir
12:22:41SSnakeadded in SOURCES
12:22:56SSnakecopy/pasted sudoku Makefile in my new dir
12:23:05SSnakeerr i meant add in SUBDIRS
12:23:15SSnakeany suggestions?
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12:25:54BuNsiEanyone know whats up with the svn server?
12:26:14BuNsiEi cant connect to it...
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12:27:47SSnakeso no help for me... SIGH
12:30:18BuNsiEsorry was eating..
12:30:59SSnakehave u ever had an error like this: "non constant expression for origin"
12:31:10SSnakepopped by the linker
12:31:18BuNsiEwoh, no
12:31:19SSnakein linking
12:31:40SSnakemmmmm i'm starting to think there's some problem with my linux distro
12:31:45BuNsiEi have absolutely no idea what that would mean sorry
12:31:58SSnakei have no idea too
12:32:10BuNsiEcould you think of a time that it could of been corrupted?
12:32:25SSnakemmm no
12:32:27BuNsiEof course that would be of little help hah
12:32:40SSnakejust reinstalled old the dev env
12:33:03SSnakewith etc
12:33:13BuNsiEi'll tell you a little secret, im still using windows
12:33:25SSnakeso u compile under windows....
12:33:48BuNsiEusing a virtual machine to run linux
12:34:06SSnakeah i read something
12:34:09BuNsiEi do it through that, the player is called VMware
12:34:17SSnakei remember
12:34:30SSnakethe ~200MB file with virtual machine
12:34:46SSnakei have a debian server i use to compile
12:35:40BuNsiEnow what is debian? i know that the ~200mb is called that but ^o)
12:35:41SSnakei'm don't know linux systems too well
12:36:00SSnakei think it's the same distro u use
12:36:09SSnakejust a newer version maybe
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12:36:37BuNsiEthought so yooo
12:36:50SSnakeit's something like windows 98 and ME
12:36:50BuNsiEit contans like heaps of apps too
12:38:04BuNsiEwell this was a fresh reinstall as i had to reboot, and only now have i got around to instaling it again, so do you think there could be something wrong with how it connects to my card > internet
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12:39:45SSnakedo u have any problems?
12:40:07SSnakei don't understand your question
12:40:27BuNsiEwell i cant get onto the rockbox svn server to download things
12:41:40SSnakeah yes sorry
12:42:04SSnakenever tried to connect before?
12:42:20BuNsiEwell yes before
12:42:26BuNsiEbut not with this new install
12:42:44BuNsiEhow do i connect to something else? just to check that i can connect?
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12:43:20BuNsiEbecause is "svn co svn:// rockbox" to get the current source
12:43:43BuNsiEbecause all i is doing* >.< im so stupid
12:43:53BuNsiEnvm ill work it out by myself its cool
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12:46:46SSnakehonestly i don't know
12:46:53SSnakenever used a vmware image
12:47:21bughunter2BuNsiE: that exact command works fine here
12:47:28SSnakemaybe there are some problems with /etc/network/interfaces
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12:47:39bughunter2or /etc/resolv
12:47:40SSnakesorry guys have to go
12:47:51SSnakeyeah bughunter is right
12:47:58SSnakesome DNS problems
12:48:16SSnakehave a nice day guys
12:48:33bughunter2SSnake: have a niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice day!
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13:04:53PaulJamseems like there should be a new bootloader release for the H300 soon, the people in the MR forum are starting to distribute svn bootloader that seem to cause trouble for some users (forunately no bricks yet)
13:05:19GodEaterso long as they don't come crying to us...
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13:19:11gevaertsZagor: I just submitted FS #8562 with a patch that should (if I read all specs correctly) contain some fixes. No behaviour improvement yet unfortunately.
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13:20:35Zagorgevaerts: the third change is interesting
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13:23:14gevaertsZagor: I'm not sure about that one, but it still works as well as before, and the lines I removed are not relevant to the endpoint direction.
13:24:01Zagorgevaerts: I recall reading something about all endpoint directions needing to be initialized.
13:24:33Zagorright, see page 32-78
13:25:01Zagor"If one endpoint direction is enabled and the paired endpoint of opposite direction is disabled then the unused direction type must be changed from the default control-type to any other type (IE. Bulk-type). leaving an unconfigured endpoint control will cause undefined behavior for the data pid tracking on the active endpoint/direction."
13:25:35gevaertsZagor: Ah yes. I didn't see that bit. That change is wrong then
13:31:26gevaertsZagor: I'd like to make the send-case callback-driven as well. Do you have any objections to that ?
13:32:19Zagorwhat part of it do you mean?
13:33:49Zagoranyway, I have no objections. the goal is to get it working. once it works we can debate design issues.
13:33:56gevaertsZagor: remove the waiting part from prime_transfer(), and replacing that with a callback to the caller. Basically the same way that receives are handled.
13:34:30Zagoryeah the wait (as lots of other things) is there for testing. desperate attempts to find out what's wrong...
13:34:40gevaertsZagor: yes. That should be the first goal. It's just that the current structure looks a bit too restricted to me
13:35:02Zagorfeel free to change anything you want
13:35:58gevaertsZagor: What I noticed its that bwhatever I tried (transfer alignment, different sizes,...) it always sends 95 bytes with a wrong checksum, but correct content.
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13:37:20ZagorI need to go to a meeting. See you later.
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13:59:48LinusNgevaerts: do you really believe the 0xfffff000 masking is necessary?
14:02:24LinusNare ptr1-4 required to begin on 4K boundaries?
14:02:30LinusNand not ptr0?
14:08:33LinusNok, now i see
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14:14:55prepreglowhooray, my irc screen is now on a box i can't access...
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14:16:08Lynx_prepreglow: you can access it through irc ;))
14:24:00LinusNgevaerts: for the serial usb, i think we need to set the multiplier field to something other than 0 in the queue head (max_pkt_length)
14:26:14GodEaterLinusN: did you consider (at all) the question I posed earlier regarding the bash prompt? Is there an area in the wiki for useful tools like this, or should I make a new one ?
14:26:21gevaertsLinusN: maybe. I didn't look at serial yet.
14:26:38LinusNGodEater: pick one :-)
14:27:02GodEaterpick a page, any page....
14:27:09LinusNgevaerts: hmm, i believe the serial usb is an interrupt endpoint, so it should probably be 0
14:27:59gevaertsLinusN: serial is usually bulk
14:28:05LinusNit is?
14:28:45LinusNso you say that the correct data is sent, but the length is wrong?
14:30:23gevaertsLinusN: yes. At least for the storage case, it should send 4096 bytes (in 512-byte packets), and it sends 95 bytes. The crc is wrong, but the 95 bytes that get sent match what the OF sends for the same part of the flash
14:31:20LinusN"the same part of the flash"?
14:31:43gevaertsLinusN: it's reading the partition table.
14:32:25gevaertsLinusN: usbserial in linux uses bulk for most or all serial devices
14:32:56LinusNi see
14:33:28LinusNi'm a little curious, how do we know that the td's aren't cached?
14:33:47LinusNah, i see it now
14:34:23LinusNtd_array is only a pointer to the uncached alias of _td_array
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14:48:19preglowbah, of course it keeps on coming...
14:51:15pondlifeZombie preglows
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15:34:06magenpiei can't figure out how to do voice recording on c250
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15:55:46pixelmamagenpie: just saw that the button is wrong. If you want to call the recording settings menu from within the recording screen, you need to press the "menu" button, in the settings chose "Source > Microphone"
15:56:12pixelma(I meant that the manual names a wrong button)
15:57:49pixelmahmm... and "select" to start the recording
15:57:50magenpiei got that
15:58:07magenpieand press the record button, right?
15:58:28magenpiebut i don't find the recording saved in the Voice folder
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16:01:53peturmagenpie: if you didn't set a recording dir it will be in the root
16:02:13pixelmaper default the recording will be saved to the root, but you could set a different one as recording directory (if you want to reuse the Voice folder of the original firmware but Rockbox doesn't put recordings from different sources into different folders but the recordings get a different name, e.g. "R_MIC_*" for records from the internal microphone)
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16:03:37magenpieare the recordings automatically saved?
16:03:46magenpiei don't see anything in root
16:04:59LambdaCalculus37magenpie: Did you set a folder to be a recording folder?
16:05:13magenpieyes, Voice
16:05:25magenpielet me try once more...
16:05:34magenpiedon't want to be telling you wrong thing
16:06:33pixelmayes, did you chose "select" to start thee recording? I know it's a little awkward ATM... you'll see the statusbar icon change to a circle and time and size will increase
16:07:15magenpieone sec
16:07:44pixelma"stop" is on long power and a little unresponsive (while it writes the data away)
16:09:00magenpiefirst i have to set recording dir, right?
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16:09:33LambdaCalculus37That way you'll know where your files are going.
16:09:41magenpieso, menu, recording, voice, select?
16:09:46pixelmayou don't have to - if you are fine with the root, or if you know it is already set
16:09:58pixelmachose as you like
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16:10:46magenpieturned it off! lol
16:11:32pixelmaheld power too long?
16:11:48magenpieok, i did it, now to see if i can replay it
16:12:14pixelmathe keymap is really not nice :\
16:12:49magenpiei don't have it yet
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16:13:36magenpieand having trouble getting back to main menu
16:14:46magenpieok, it worked, ty!
16:15:07magenpiebut i guess i didn't set recording dir because it's in root
16:15:26magenpiewell, it's a good start
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16:17:37magenpiei don't hear to work on this
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16:21:18magenpiei hear it...
16:21:32magenpiecontext menu=long select?
16:23:08pixelmain the browsers, yes
16:26:47magenpieok, so if i do a long select on the *mic file i should get menu and be able to delete?
16:27:41magenpiethat's not working although i have been able to access that menu before
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16:28:11pixelmaworks here
16:29:42magenpiejust got it
16:31:21magenpieok, thanks guys
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17:41:15kugelGuys, can someone point me the file, where backlight is turned on on a button press?
17:41:30GodEater"the file" ?
17:41:39kugelin the source code
17:42:16kugelsearched several files (action.c, backlight.c, and more) but I couldn't manage to find it
17:43:02SSnakemmmm i dont'think it exists
17:43:25SSnakeprobably you have to check buttons in a "while" cicle
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17:43:40SSnakeand then call the function accordingly
17:43:41markunkugel: looks like it's firmware/drivers/button.c
17:44:06markunline 280
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17:45:17kugelmarkun: Thanks, did you know that, or how did you find it?
17:45:33markunI guessed it was there and then looked
17:45:45markunand it was :)
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17:47:33ToHellWithGAso rockbox likes fat32 while my macbook and ipod linux like hfs+
17:47:56ToHellWithGAcould y'all recommend a good guide on how to get them all to get along?
17:48:53linuxstbThe manual has a link to instructions to convert to FAT32.
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17:49:29ToHellWithGAright, but once i have fat32 i can't use it with ipod linux, itunes on osx, or files over 4GB
17:49:30linuxstbYour macbook will like FAT32, and I think IPL can use it as well now.
17:49:55linuxstbThere's no other solution - Rockbox only understands FAT32.
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17:50:51ToHellWithGAdoes rockbox's fat32 partition have to be the first useable partition?
17:51:12linuxstbRockbox will try to mount each primary partition in turn, until it finds a valid FAT32 partition.
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17:52:00linuxstbBut be aware that HFS+ formatted ipods have an Apple Partition Map, not a DOS Partition Table - Rockbox only understands the latter.
17:52:03ToHellWithGAmunny. so i can do videos and large files on hfs+ and put rockbox and music on a later partition
17:55:22SSnakethe PLUGIN_API doc seems to be really old
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17:55:39ToHellWithGAmaybe i should just use on itunes alternative like gtkpod
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17:56:12SSnakedoes a video resize function exist?
17:56:20SSnaketo be used in a plugin
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17:56:49SSnakei peeked at some source code...
17:57:03SSnakeit seems there's something related in bmp.c
17:57:05LambdaCalculus37TellHellWithGA: Keep a watch on this project if you're looking for an iTunes alternative:
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17:58:28kugelmarkun: thanks, the file doesn't seem to help me much though
17:58:44kugelat least not in the way I hoped
17:58:53SSnakeexcuse me kugel
17:59:11SSnakewhy are you looking at buttons.c?
17:59:13SSnakei mean
17:59:27SSnakecan't you use a loop and a call to the backlight funciont?
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17:59:55SSnakei ask because i'm trying to better understand rockbox api
18:01:05SSnakei think in plugins you use rb->button_get(true)
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18:01:27SSnakethen check the returned value
18:01:35SSnakein a loop
18:01:47SSnakeand set backlight everytime you press sometingh
18:01:52SSnakeam i wrong?
18:02:00kugelI don't talk about plugins
18:02:21kugelrb->* is the rockbox plugin api
18:02:40SSnakemm yep
18:03:01SSnakeare you trying to change something kernel related?
18:03:02kugelI don't to edit/make a plugin
18:04:50kugelI want the scroll wheel and the left/right buttons not to turn on the backlight when I'm in the wps
18:05:26pixelmaSSnake: it would be nice and much more readable, especially in the logs, if you would put your thoughts on one line... thanks (see guidelines by the way) ;)
18:06:14pixelmaat least one though = one line
18:06:15SSnakeok pixelma i'll do it, thanks for the advice.
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18:11:26SSnakehowever about plugin API: is provided some video resize function ?
18:11:35linuxstbkugel: Currently, the firmware/ code doesn't know which screen is active in the apps/ code. One way would be to introduce a function in button.c called something like "backlight_mode" which the apps/ code would need to call when entering and leaving the WPS to change the backlight mode (stored in a local variable in button.c) between "all buttons" and "some buttons".
18:11:58linuxstbSSnake: Do you really mean "video" (as in movies), or just a still image (bitmap) ?
18:12:45SSnakejust sill images. I mean some kind of function that takes a fb_data buffer of 640x480 and resizes down to 220x176 (for example)
18:13:53linuxstbThen no. Although I think there are some bitmap resizing patches on flyspray.
18:14:11SSnakei'm trying to convert an open source game running in 320x240 to color targets with smaller displays
18:14:20kugelah, I thought I could #include "action.h", and if ACTION_WPS_VOLUP/_VOLDOWN out
18:14:47PaulJamwasn't bitmap rezizing committed some time ago? i thought sliding puzzle uses it.
18:14:52linuxstbSSnake: A fundamental principle of Rockbox is to not do things at runtime that can be done at compile-time. Resizing bmp files for the target's LCD size can be done in advance.
18:14:53pixelmalinuxstb: I *think* that some simple bmp resizing for plugins entered with the sliding_puzzle rework
18:15:01*linuxstb missed that...
18:15:32pixelmaat least it scales my 40x40 album art to 80x80 in my c250 display... ;)
18:16:06SSnakeso it seems i i have to check sliding puzzle
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18:16:43linuxstbSSnake: Why not just convert in advance?
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18:17:20SSnake@pixelma: i need to compose the bacrkoud with tiles + sprites on it and then resize all the video buffer
18:17:38linuxstbYou don't really want a 640x480 (600KB!) bitmap - plugins only have 512KB of RAM to use (unless you stop audio playback and claim the entire RAM).
18:18:01SSnakeoh that's another important news i dunno
18:18:12SSnakei thought i had ~30MB
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18:18:22Horschtyou have (probably)
18:18:29Horschtbut plugins can only use 512kb
18:18:29MediapirateHi everyone
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18:18:45linuxstbSSnake: You only have 30MB if you stop music playback. We don't want plugins to do that if it can be avoided.
18:19:37Horschtjust like the pictureflow plugin does
18:19:38SSnakemmmmm i dont' know: probably i can do it with graphics, but not with audio
18:19:59SSnakeit's a game with it's own audio
18:20:08linuxstbSSnake: You should look at how other plugins use bitmaps - they are stored in the apps/plugins/bitmaps/native directory in the source code, and then at compile-time are linked into the plugin binary itself. Plugins don't load them at runtime.
18:22:12linuxstbThe apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/SOURCES file determines which bitmaps are used for which targets - they are pre-scaled to the required size.
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18:22:30SSnakemmmm it becomes really hard: the games has hardcoded hex tiles values. I'd need to convert to bitmap/resize etc
18:22:39LambdaCalculus37Mediapirate: Why did you open a personal chat channel on me?
18:22:45Mediapiratewhy not?
18:22:48LambdaCalculus37I didn't ask you to, did I?
18:23:15MediapirateI didn't ask you to talk to me in here
18:23:17Mediapiratebut you did
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18:23:26MediapirateI don't really see the relevance in these comments
18:23:29Mediapiratewho do you think you are?
18:23:51Horschtfriendly greetings to you aswell
18:24:37LambdaCalculus37Mediapirate: You don't go around on IRC just randomly opening personal chat channels on people.
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18:25:11MediapirateOh really
18:25:15LambdaCalculus37Now please close that channel.
18:25:16Mediapiratenever heard that rule before
18:25:26Mediapiratei've closed it
18:25:28Mediapiratea long time ago
18:25:28magenpieeven i know that
18:25:40Mediapiratewhat are these random rules
18:25:42magenpiealways ask
18:25:46magenpienot just this room
18:25:54linuxstbSSnake: The issue is that writing embedded software is completely different to desktop apps... So yes, it's a lot of work to do it right.
18:25:55Horschtit's not "a rule". it's just a guideline on how to behave
18:26:21Mediapiratean unwritten rule?
18:26:29Horschtso to say, yes
18:26:38scorche|wit isnt unwritten
18:26:49Horschtyes, that's the word1
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18:27:16pondlifeMINE'S NOT
18:27:22linuxstbLooks like it is...
18:27:28*pondlife was breaking more netiquette
18:27:30Horschtthis is getting off topic
18:28:31LambdaCalculus37Horscht: Agreed. But it had to be said.
18:28:46LambdaCalculus37Mediapirate: Never open personal chat channels with people again, unless they ask you to.
18:29:20LambdaCalculus37Now I'm heading off for a bit.
18:29:37Mediapiratethis is the least friendly place i've ever bein
18:29:51MediapirateI'm ashamed i've ever been here
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18:30:12Domonokyhit and run.. :-)
18:30:42*scorche|w sobs a bit into Domonoky's shoulder
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18:34:46bughunter2some people need to be smashed with a golfclub
18:35:13pondlifeHe had it easy too
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18:40:32kugellinuxstb: cool it works, I get a couple of warnings though
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18:45:02quaalanyone experience rockbox making their ipod video not turn on anymore?
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18:45:28Horschtboots fine, here
18:45:40quaalworked fine fro a while for me
18:45:49quaalbut now it wont turn on at all
18:45:51quaal<2yrs old
18:46:01Horschtlow battery?
18:46:09quaalplugging in does nothing.
18:46:15pixelmawhen did you last update your bootloader?
18:46:29quaalwhenever i installed rockbox
18:46:32quaalmaybe a month ago
18:46:48PaulJamhave you already tried to reset it?
18:46:50pixelmaok, tried to reset it?
18:47:02quaalisnt that like top+bottom button
18:47:38quaallike 5sec hold
18:48:06quaaloh shit
18:48:08quaalits back on
18:48:50quaalplease wait.. very low battery
18:49:01quaali dislike that the battery lasts for like.. an hour
18:49:05quaalany fixes for that yet
18:49:28Horschtuhm... mine lasts... 17h
18:49:35quaal17 hours?
18:49:35PaulJamif it lasts _that_ short then you have to replace it
18:49:38quaalan ipod video?
18:49:44Horschtso, yes, theres a fix for you: new battery
18:49:57Horschtyes, quaal. Ipod Video 80GB
18:50:05quaalpretty sure replacing a nonreplaceable battery is >the cost of ipod
18:50:35quaalits not that short with the itunes firmware
18:50:41Horschtif i recall correctly, non 80GB Videos have a slightly lower battery runtime, though
18:50:44quaalalso it was only charging to like 37%
18:50:47Horschtbut surely, 1hour seems too low
18:51:20Horschtstill sounds like your battery is dead
18:51:20PaulJami'm sure you find plenty replacement batteries on ebay, and lots of guides how to replace it in google.
18:51:20scorche|wquaal: have you tested this with a proper battery bench?
18:52:48gevaertsZagor: I have some progress. By forcing the device to full speed (PORTSCX_PORT_FORCE_FULL_SPEED), I seem to get working transfers. After adding a send_csw(good) at the end or read10, linux manages to parse the partition table. After that something goes wrong.
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18:58:12quaalscorche|w, battery bench?
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19:00:25Horschtcharge your ipod, run the battery bench plugin and wait till the battery runs out
19:00:32Horschtwith playback ofc
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19:03:59LinusNgevaerts: nice to hear that you have some progress :-)
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19:04:46amiconngevaerts, LinusN: *afaik* fullspeed automatically limits the maximum transfer size to 64 bytes
19:04:52gevaertsYes. It's only full speed for now, but that's better than nothing
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19:04:56amiconnOnly highspeed allows more than that
19:05:03gevaertsamiconn: yes. That's one of the reasons I tried
19:05:22amiconngevaerts: iirc you already reported yesterday that 64 byte tarnsfers do work
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19:05:47amiconnI really wonder what special setup the OF does, as highspeed mode definitely works there
19:05:56gevaertsamiconn: yes, on high speed. Unfortunately, you can't limit the packed size to 64 bytes then.
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19:06:35amiconnLinusN: Btw, did you find some interesting new details in your OF disassembly work?
19:07:48gevaertsNow it fails while reading the very last sector of the device. I wonder if the partition might be slightly faked (to support this 16MB fake partition the OF provides)
19:08:10amiconnFake partition?
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19:09:00LinusNamiconn: not really - i still don't know how to activate the serial port :-(
19:09:22SSnakehi linusN, i have news for you (good one)
19:09:25amiconnLinusN: Yeah, but maybe you found other things while digging for the serial
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19:09:36LinusNSSnake: got it working?
19:09:55SSnakeyes! It was a problem with a file in my directory
19:09:56amiconn(e.g. some usb init stuff)
19:10:12LinusNamiconn: i had to put the disassembly on hold - real life got in the way as usual :-/
19:10:48amiconnI'm obviously not very good in following the general execution flow when RE'ing
19:10:50LinusNi will try to start a project with the real OF instead of the bootloader
19:11:01gevaertsamiconn: I'm not sure if it's fake. Anyway I ust noticed an off-by-one bug in the size reporting. I'll try fixing that first
19:11:18amiconnI often search for low-level functions by digging for some know values (port addresses, magic values etc)
19:11:27LinusNamiconn: me too
19:11:49amiconnBut that method doesn't help when you need to find the upper-level stuff ... :/
19:13:31amiconnE.g. the serial setup might take place in a very different place in the code than the serial transfers
19:13:57amiconnDid you try follwing that serial rootshell code in the rom?
19:14:42LinusNamiconn: yes i have followed that code
19:14:58amiconnNo setup found?
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19:15:20LinusNthe problem is that the main menu of the serial debug code isn't called by any other code
19:15:42LinusNwhich leads me to believe that the code is either dead, or called by the OF
19:16:55amiconnMaybe it's called via a jump table or another way of absolute addressing, and the code is copied to ram before execution?
19:17:16LinusNthe code is copied to ram, but i have rebased it
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19:17:40LinusNthe serial init code is there too, but there is something missing
19:18:08LinusNthere is probably an external buffer that needs to be enabled
19:18:39amiconnThe PP502x most probably has some pin multiplexers
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19:21:33kl33t0risanybody there ? i have a question
19:21:47kugelJust ask
19:21:49bluebrotheronly 149 people in here ...
19:22:15kl33t0risk, my iPod "color" seems to have problems with 320 kbit mp3 files
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19:22:28kl33t0risit starts skipping after a few secoinds of playback
19:22:43kl33t0risis this a known bug ?
19:22:58kl33t0risor is there just something wrong my ipod
19:23:01scorche|wkl33t0ris: what build are you running?
19:23:14kl33t0riswait a sec
19:24:05kl33t0risim running r15542-071108
19:24:25bluebrotherwow, that's outdated.
19:24:29kl33t0risi know
19:24:44scorche|wkl33t0ris: update to the current build
19:25:11*bluebrother was too slow with the usual answer(tm) ;-)
19:25:23kl33t0risi already tried the newest
19:25:45kl33t0risafter that my ipod didnt get recognized as a usb drive anymore
19:25:54kl33t0risso i switched back
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19:26:07scorche|wyou need to boot into dick mode for that
19:26:16spoltaDick mode.
19:26:18scorche|wthere are TONS of forum posts about that
19:26:20kl33t0risroflmao...dickmode :p
19:26:33spoltaI'm reinstalling Rockbox today.
19:26:33kl33t0risdiskmode...right ?
19:26:41spoltaAfter being annoyed by IpodLinux.
19:26:42scorche|w... yes ...
19:26:47spoltaIt's been a while.
19:26:58spoltaAre there any other applications for Rockbox than the ones they give out on the site?
19:27:32kl33t0rissure...theres GPS and wireless LAN...but thats topsecret
19:27:54bluebrother... and the coffee maker plugin!
19:28:08kl33t0risdamn forgot about that
19:28:21spoltaI already have the coffee maker plugin.
19:28:39LambdaCalculus37What about the time travel plugin?
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19:28:46spoltaThe link to that one is dead.
19:28:57kl33t0riswell...ill update now...and if its screwed again ill go ninja on your asses :p
19:29:12bluebrotherwell, then the only thing you need additionally is Rockbox Utility.
19:29:13spoltaOS everybody?
19:29:18spoltaI'm using Debian.
19:29:22scorche|wit isnt the past forum posts about that
19:29:36kl33t0risthere is a forum ?
19:29:37scorche|wspolta: what does that have to do with rockbox?
19:29:42LambdaCalculus37spolta: Off topic!
19:29:48spoltaJust curiousity.
19:30:01spoltaThere usually isn't O.T. things to say in IRC.
19:30:06spoltaAll love here, all love.
19:30:16scorche|wspolta: well, we have guidelines here :)
19:30:17rasherspolta: Well, this channel is strictly on-topic.
19:30:23kl33t0risVista, XP and Debian....^_^...sry
19:30:24Domonokyspolta: this is an ONTOPIC channel..
19:30:27*bluebrother points to the channel topic
19:30:35scorche|wand actually, most project oriented channels are strictly ontopic
19:30:47spoltaNot 420chan...
19:31:00scorche|wthat isnt project oriented
19:31:01spoltaThe project of chan.
19:31:07spoltaAnd drugs.
19:31:13spoltaSounds like a project to me.
19:31:17LambdaCalculus37spolta: Don't make me LART you.
19:31:18spoltaSorry about that.
19:31:42Horschtwhat's LART?
19:31:43kl33t0risLART ?
19:32:06scorche|wyour google-fu is lacking
19:32:36Horschtyeah, my google-fu skills left me when my wife left me
19:32:57bluebrotherDomonoky: why did you create that encoder cache? Is creating a new encoder object that expensive / slow?
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19:33:12spoltaSo. What is there to do with Rockbox after I get sick of watching videos and using the default plugins? :/
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19:33:21krazykitspolta, listen to music?
19:33:22Lars_GOk I just got my e260 today
19:33:22Domonokybluebrother: no, its there because they dont get deleted :-)
19:33:27bluebrotherplay music?
19:33:33LambdaCalculus37Play with the code? Make new plugins?
19:33:42Lars_Git's a V1 e200, (not R) I toyed with the OF about 10 minutes, I liked it, I'm already installing rockbox :P lol
19:33:50Lars_GIt didn't last 10 friggin minutes
19:33:52bluebrotherDomonoky: ok. I'm currently changing the settings thingy of the encoder to not use the displayed string ;-)
19:33:54spoltaWhat is the code like?
19:33:57Domonokybluebrother: but maybe this could be changed, as they now take a QObject as parent, and not a QWidget anymore..
19:34:00spoltaHaven't looked at anything like that.
19:34:14scorche|wspolta: like a lot of other can look at it online..
19:34:17LambdaCalculus37C. With some assembly here and there.
19:34:26JdGordon|wDomonoky: bluebrother: what do you guys think about adding a config editor to rbutil?
19:34:38Domonokybluebrother: feel free to change anything, which could be improved :-)
19:34:55spoltaWhat plugins have you guys made?
19:35:01DomonokyJdGordon|w: a config editor would be nice.. :-) go forward ..*hehe*
19:35:08bluebrotherJdGordon|w: well, I thought about that quite a whie ago.
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19:35:53LambdaCalculus37spolta: These:
19:35:57bluebrotherDomonoky: you had Qt plugins running already, maybe add this as plugin? Or make it configurable using some description file (so we don't need to adjust rbutil itself if the settings change / get extended)
19:36:47spoltaI remember trying to use the GB emulator
19:36:54spoltaThe FPS was slow.
19:36:59spoltaToo slow for megaman that is.
19:37:03spoltaFine for Pokemon. :)
19:37:08kl33t0rishow much fps did u get ?
19:37:16kl33t0risim getting 50 to 60+
19:37:28krazykitthe speed you get will also depend on your target
19:37:29spoltaI don't remember.
19:37:32Horschtdepends on the target probably
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19:37:47LambdaCalculus37kleet0ris: Please speak in Standard English. No shorthanding.
19:38:02spoltaFPS is shorthanding then.
19:38:07krazykitthe gigabeat is significantly faster than, say, an ipod or sansa
19:38:09Horscht"you" instead of "u"
19:38:11scorche|wfps is fine...
19:38:17spoltaI suppose.
19:38:26Horschtfps is fine, since it's a technical term
19:39:00DomonokyQt plugins arent too hard to use, but we would need to build a mechanism to selectivly load them... ie some framing code, and a decision what those rbuitl plugins are allowed to do..
19:39:02LambdaCalculus37But we don't want people coming in speaking like a 12-year old fresh off AOL.
19:39:07scorche|wspolta: sorry for asking, but what is your purpose for being here?...many of your questions seem to be socially oriented, but this isnt quite a social channel
19:39:20spoltaI'm new, give me a break.
19:39:21kl33t0riswow...scrolling seems to be much faster in the current build
19:39:24spoltaI'll have questions.
19:39:40*bluebrother remembers the aoluser translation for Rockbox ;-)
19:39:54krazykitspolta, if you haven't read the channel guidelines linked in the topic, please do so
19:40:30bluebrotherDomonoky: well, my idea was to have plugins access the current user settings, write to the target and get a tab or an own window launched by a tab.
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19:43:07bluebrotherDomonoky: btw, I had the impression that unchecking "run recursive" in the talk window doesn't have any effect.
19:43:30Domonokybluebrother: the settings for the plugins are now a bit more difficult, as we now have the rbsettings class... (but maybe we could add more generic settings functions to the rbsettings class..
19:44:00*Domonoky checks the code for the recursive thing..
19:44:25bluebrotherhmm, we could also just add the editor to another tab.
19:44:51bluebrotherbut we should try to make a new release first.
19:45:26Domonokyyes, we should really try to make a new release.. (maybe without the cli interface)
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19:46:16bluebrotherthe cli version should really get 1.1
19:48:20*kl33toris is saying "Thank you" to everyone
19:48:26MikermanHey, folks. Was going to try an create a Wiki page on converting PDFs for use under Rockbox (a user had posted a tutorial in the forums, and I was going to get it into the Wiki). Could I be granted Wiki write permission?
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19:49:12LambdaCalculus37Mikerman: What's your wiki name?
19:49:37LambdaCalculus37Mikerman: Hang out a sec whilst I add you.
19:50:05Domonokybluebrother: it seams the recursiv option got lost in the last rework/bugfix of the talkfile generation.. :-)
19:50:16LambdaCalculus37Mikerman: Seems you're already added.
19:51:38MikermanThanks−−maybe I goofed. I can edit the Wiki, but when I tried to start a new page a few minutes ago, I got an access denied or such. Maybe it's my error (never started a Wiki page before).
19:52:04magenpiei just installed new build on c250 and i just get the sandisk logo flashing when i turn it on
19:52:57magenpiei guess i should check out what i did before i ask for help
19:53:48LambdaCalculus37magenpie: My c240 flashes the SanDisk logo twice, then Rockbox comes up about 1 second after the second flash.
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19:54:44magenpiethat's what it was doing before i installed a few minutes ago
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19:56:07LambdaCalculus37Now how is the logo coming up?
19:56:13magenpiethe new directory is called .rockbox(4) - could that be a problem?
19:56:32magenpiei'll rename
19:56:49bluebrotherthe folder needs to be called ".rockbox" (without the quotes of course)
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20:01:21kl33toriswhat the...
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20:04:52magenpiei can't seem to access it to change name
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20:05:44magenpieit's /dev/sda1 /media/Sansa c250
20:06:02LambdaCalculus37magenpie: Turn on hidden file view.
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20:10:07LambdaCalculus37Do you see the folder now?
20:11:26magenpieyes, i see it
20:11:31magenpierenaming now
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20:34:12magenpieok, i successfully renamed the rockbox directory
20:34:37magenpiebut i lost the Music folder - it doesn't show in rb but it's there
20:35:11magenpiemaybe rebuild database?
20:35:26bluebrothermagenpie: have you enabled the "show all files" option?
20:35:51linuxstbNo need to reboot...
20:37:21magenpieah, there it is...i had show all files but i didn't realize i needed to do that again...but of course all the prior settings were lost
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20:39:59lostlogicNico_P: minor niggle with album art −− if maxwidth and maxheight are specified it only looks for covers with generic names or with exactly that size named
20:40:10lostlogicNico_P: how hard would it be to search for the largest sized cover <= the specified size?
20:41:13Nico_Pwe'd have to get a list of all files in the dirs where we look, and search that list for the best possible match
20:41:31Nico_Pso not *that* hard, but still quite a lot of overhead compared to the current method
20:42:07rasherEspecially if it's a dir with many files (or .rockbox/albumart/)
20:43:09lostlogichmm... when no size is specified it only looks for generically named ones?
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20:46:35lostlogicI see.
20:50:39kugelWhat do you think about the latest bmp resize patch developement? Especially the latest version with MoB
20:51:45lostlogicI think that when it's in we'll definitely want to have some kind of search algo. to find largest < max in directories.
20:52:15*lostlogic looks at patch
20:52:17Nico_Pkugel: just looked at it and I don't see why he called it MoB
20:53:27Nico_Poh actually I take back what I said
20:54:01kugelIf I'm not wrong, now the resized bmp is stored in the buffer, previously the bmp was resized in another way
20:55:47LearAnd when doing searches, trying to keep things efficient. (Current search really isn't very efficient, given how a FAT file is located...)
20:56:42lostlogicyeah, that's the tough part.. I mean it's easy to filter if we get a directory listing, but that seems crappy.
20:57:42linuxstbWouldn't you just store the image in the original size (as large as possible) ?
20:58:09linuxstbI thought the whole point of resize was to not have multiple copies...
20:58:19lostlogiclinuxstb: yeah, you're right.
20:58:26kugelNico_P: I wonder why he #ifdef'ed LCD_COLOR targets out, while you didn't in your last sync of FS #8308
20:58:29LearIsn't the scaler of the fast but ugly kind though?
20:58:43Lear(Haven't checked the patch, I must admit. :) )
20:58:52lostlogicI think the new smooth one is supposed to be decent, but I'm not positive on that
20:59:07Nico_Pyeah, there's a smooth version
20:59:47linuxstbI guess that should be criteria for committing - if it's good enough so that people can just store one copy of the bitmap, then commit...
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21:00:43preglowhmm, isn't it possible to use a cue/mp3 combination by playing the .cue file?
21:01:15bluebrotheriirc you need to play the mp3 and the cue gets loaded by the cuesheet handling
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21:01:25preglowthat means i can't use cue/mp3 combos that don't share the same file name at all in rockbox...
21:01:26kugelIsn't FS #8308 supposed to be used in plugins only? I mean, it's all in apps/plugins
21:01:38pixelmaIIRC you have to play the mp3 (and need cuefile support enabtled)
21:01:47kugelIf yes, smooth album art resizes would require plugin code
21:02:05linuxstbpreglow: Rename it?
21:02:14preglowlinuxstb: i don't see why that is necessary
21:02:31preglowno other part of rockbox requires me to rename my files
21:02:53linuxstbThe alternative is nasty - it would make .cue files a valid music filetype, so both the .cue and .mp3 get added to the playlist.
21:03:06Nico_Pkugel: yeah, 8308 is supposed to be for plugins. it can be moved easily, but 5697 doesn't do it very well
21:03:27preglowlinuxstb: i believe that is how all other music players does it, yes...
21:03:34Nico_Ppreglow: it was discussed in length before I committed cue support
21:03:44linuxstbIt was just much cleaner to make the .cue file "metadata about the .mp3", rather than the other way round.
21:03:44kugelpreglow: Don't you need your album arts?
21:03:51kugel+to renamo
21:04:01preglowkugel: i don't use album art
21:04:28preglowlinuxstb: with the consequence that i now have to rename files to use them with rockbox, doesn't sound very clean to me
21:04:34kugelBut if, you wouldn't only need to rename, but also to convert it for suiting rockbox
21:04:42lostlogichmm, I think that we need to do something more intrusive with the bitmap resize feature to make it 'safe'
21:04:46preglowkugel: oh, sure, but album art isn't music
21:04:51linuxstbpreglow: Then feel free to implement it differently...
21:04:57rasherpreglow: neither are .cue files
21:05:03kugelpreglow: the cue itself isn't music either :)
21:05:05preglowrasher: well, that's splitting hairs a bit
21:05:20preglowthey enable me to play my music better
21:05:24preglowalbum art is eye candy
21:05:45*bluebrother never understood the use of cue anyway
21:05:53linuxstbpreglow: But I agree with you in principle, it's just that in practice it doesn't fit in with Rockbox.
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21:06:12preglowlinuxstb: why do we do this differently? all other music players seem comfortable with the fact that the mp3 gets included as well when you just insert a dir
21:06:14Nico_Ppreglow: I was of your opinion at first
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21:06:37Nico_Ppreglow: the players I've seen require the cue and the mp3 to have the same name
21:06:44rasherCouldn't you make a .cue "viewer" plugin that adds the file in there to the current playlist?
21:07:00rasherWhich would then in turn load the .cue...
21:07:08preglowrasher: that would work, yeah
21:07:16rasherThe Aristocrats!
21:07:16preglowbut then i lose the cue viewer
21:07:30linuxstbpreglow: Then I would call them broken.
21:07:43linuxstb(not that Rockbox is perfect, just broken differently...)
21:07:50preglowwell, i'd call requiring me to rename my files broken
21:07:51preglowthat's for sure
21:08:01quaalit appears that i've now got 96% - 9hours of battery
21:08:06quaaland its growing
21:08:12quaalwhen disconnected.
21:08:21linuxstbpreglow: But seriously, is it a problem? Would you prefer that playing a directory of cue/mp3 files duplicates them all?
21:08:32Nico_Ppreglow: it has become common practice to name the cue and the mp3 the same
21:08:40preglowlinuxstb: yup, gladly, happens to me all the time with foobar
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21:08:52amiconnImo, cue sheets are a broken concept in the first place, and one can't expect rockbox to fix that
21:08:58preglowNico_P: depends where you look
21:08:59linuxstbpreglow: It would annoy me no end.
21:09:01lostlogicNico_P: I think it's a better idea to have the correct size for the bitmap allocated on the buffer the first time, with some kind of get_buffersize() call rather than allocating it based on the filesize, how do you feel about that?
21:09:16lostlogicNico_P: then load the file bitmap into a single static temporary buffer an resize to the filebuffer
21:09:17preglowlinuxstb: anyway, why not just not load .cue when building play lists?
21:09:28lostlogicthat way we could more easily make the bitmap reading asynchronous like other types instead of sync.
21:09:44linuxstbpreglow: Then when do you load it?
21:10:17preglowi guess my policy of never using the "insert" commands make me see things somewhat differently than most...
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21:10:30Nico_Plostlogic: I haven't looked at the patch long enough, but the static buffer seems to be the WPS imgae buffer in the current state
21:11:08lostlogicNico_P: yeah, but it's used as the resize target and then recopied back to the filebuffer.
21:11:27Nico_Ptrue, that's not good
21:11:43Nico_Pit's easy to know how much buffer space will be required
21:12:08Nico_Plostlogic: want to whip something up? I'm cooking dinner for myself right now
21:12:13lostlogicyeah, exactly −− just needs a short calculation and we'd need to put a function in
21:12:23lostlogicwhich maybe one day could be used for ealier stripoping of trailing tags
21:12:28lostlogichaha, can't, at work
21:12:30lostlogicwould belong to amazon if I did :)
21:14:13preglowbut, no, i've yet to find a single cue file album that plays out of the box in rockbox
21:14:16preglowwhich is kind of annoying
21:14:48linuxstbBecause of the name, or other issues?
21:15:00preglowthey work fine with that out of the deal
21:15:07preglowsurprisingly good, as a matter of fact
21:15:23linuxstbI really don't see the problem - I would probably want to rename anyway, to keep things tidy.
21:15:32preglowi don't see anything tidy about it
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21:15:46preglow"tidy" to me is downloading and listening
21:16:04*amiconn would call that messy ...
21:16:04linuxstbI always tidy things I download - fixing tags, using my own naming conventions etc.
21:16:25amiconnMe too
21:16:32preglowi tidy stuff i create myself, i have long since given up tidying other people's stuff
21:16:35Nico_Psame here
21:16:35preglowso now i don't touch it at all
21:17:18Nico_Pamiconn: btw, LinusN said he was fine with you sending me his video... do you think you could do that?
21:18:13gevaertsZagor: I updated the patch in FS #8562. I can mount the device in full speed (read-only), but it fails once I try to do anything with it. The problem is that linux tries to read too much at once, and I'm not really sure how to handle that (returning an error doesn't work, and neither does just returning what we have)
21:18:47linuxstbWhat do you mean by "too much" ?
21:19:20gevaertslinuxstb: the controller on the sansa can handle 16k transfers, while linux asks for 64k of data at once
21:20:30preglowsuddenly the backlight went on on my h120
21:20:35preglowthen didn't turn off until i touched a key
21:21:02rasherpreglow: it wanted you to touch it
21:21:10*JdGordon|w 's sansa has done that before also
21:21:28preglowrasher: well, i'll just take that as proof it's got a soul then
21:21:33preglowi'll have to be careful what i do in front of it
21:21:42Horschtit doesn't have a soul
21:21:46Horschtit's possessed
21:21:58JdGordon|wits a bit hard to be possessed without a soul
21:22:03preglowas long as it doesn't start twisting and vomiting i'm ok with that
21:22:43Horschtno, it's actually not. Souls do not exist. They were made up by scientology
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21:26:27linuxstbgevaerts: If you use dd to try and read data (less than 16KB), does the kernel still do a 64KB read?
21:26:46gevaertslinuxstb: yes.
21:27:13gevaertslinuxstb: well, not always a 64k read, but it seems to do some kind of readahead
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21:28:17Nico_Pgevaerts: do you know how the OF handles this? (if it might be helpful)
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21:30:09gevaertsNico_P: no idea. I'll try to find out (maybe not today, I don't have a real usb tracer here, and I find the usbmon output hard to read)
21:30:10linuxstbgevaerts: Is the "lsusb -v" output the same in Rockbox and the OF?
21:34:45gevaertslinuxstb: the differences don't look significant to me
21:38:59gevaertsThe OF apparently manages to respond with all requested data, but I'm not sure if it is in one USB transfer or not (I can't figure this out from the usbmon output in wireshark). I suspect that it is one transfer, because I tried multiple transfers and that didn't work. So now we have to find out how to do transfers with more than 16k.
21:39:45preglow16k should be enough for everybody
21:39:48preglowwe support .sid now, after all :)
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21:41:47gevaertsMaybe chaining transfer descriptors does what we want
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22:05:23Nico_Pamiconn: seen my question?
22:06:48linuxstbrasher: I've just noticed your missing AA logging patch (FS #8479) - do you still think it's a good idea (better than a PC-side script)?
22:09:05rasherlinuxstb: Probably not, to be honest, the script would just have to understand all sorts of metadata to be "complete"
22:09:37linuxstbAh yes, I forgot Rockbox searched based on tags...
22:09:51linuxstbWhat about a plugin?
22:10:08rasherProbably more likely to work
22:10:16Nico_Pa plugin sounds like a good idea, yes
22:10:25rasherOr you could base it on the db and the pythontagdb thing
22:11:09linuxstbThinking about it, maybe a plugin would be helpful to debug metadata problems in general.
22:11:18linuxstb(as in files that prevent the db from building)
22:12:30Zagorgevaerts: excellent progress!
22:13:19gevaertsZagor: just these small remaining details...
22:13:27*scorche|w spies a Zagor
22:13:49Zagorgevaerts: yeah well it's still a great step forward
22:14:19scorche|wZagor: think we could work an implementation of into the site?...looks pretty nice and the creator is a rockboxer :)
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22:16:57Zagorscorche|w: Yeah I suppose we could
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22:17:29scorche|wget rid of those massive "since ever" links too :)
22:17:40Nico_Pscorche|w: who's the author?
22:18:07scorche|wNico_P: a friend of mine....rockboxer as in user
22:18:26Nico_Pah right
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22:20:25linuxstbscorche|w: It displays a lot of nice info, but I don't like the style/layout of the pages... Is it themable?
22:26:12scorche|wlinuxstb: not too advanced, apaprently, but there are basic templates
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22:27:35scorche|wit uses the same template code as phpbb uses (or used to use...not sure)
22:27:47scorche|wwhat did you want to change specifically?
22:30:12linuxstbI guess I'm just used to the Rockbox presentation of changes - the four columns (when, who, where, what), and find it harder to follow the svnlogbrowser presentation.
22:30:17*Nico_P just added smooth scaling to the core and there is a rather massive binsize hit: almost 4.5K
22:31:10JdGordon|woh noes!
22:31:24linuxstbDoes it have any other uses, apart from AA?
22:31:25p3turamiconn: regarding the remote peakmeters, I added a patch to 8514. Care to comment?
22:31:32Zagorlinuxstb: I agree with you. but svnlogbrowser has some nifty interactive features such as looking at all commits from specific people etc.
22:31:47Nico_Plinuxstb: it can be used in sliding_puzzle
22:31:49Bagderand search
22:31:52bluebrotherI wouldn't want to loose the commit summary on the front page
22:31:57linuxstbZagor: Yes, that's what I mean - I want the Rockbox layout and those features...
22:32:05Zagorbluebrother: no, me neither
22:32:22bluebrotherbut it would be a nice addon
22:32:45linuxstbNico_P: But that's a plugin, so no reason to add it to the core...
22:32:50*Nico_P wants to see rev numbers on the front page, and not just in the link targets
22:33:10Nico_Plinuxstb: yeah, the only reason to add it to the core would be AA
22:33:15linuxstbNico_P: Do you have a patch?
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22:37:33linuxstbIt looks like it could be size-optimised quite a lot - there's a lot of duplicated code there...
22:38:19linuxstbAlso, do we need both up and down scaling?
22:39:01Nico_PI think so
22:39:57linuxstbI've never found cover-art smaller than the size I would want to use it at - 500x500 seems to be more or less standard.
22:40:37preglowaren't the vertical and horizontal code paths special cases of the vert/horiz one?
22:43:25Nico_Plinuxstb: I think it's better to allow people to use the files they already have
22:45:17bluebrotherif you download AA from amazon (like amarok does) you can get quite small images.
22:45:58pixelmaif you already have to upscale for a album art size of say 100x100 I wouldn't try to get a better picture anyways
22:46:09pixelmaeh.. *would
22:46:19*bluebrother does too
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22:46:47bluebrotherbut I guess quite some people would be fine with small images and complain if they don't get upscaled
22:48:11_StefaN^I have a question regarding x5l rockbox build
22:48:28_StefaN^anyone around I could direct this question to? :)
22:48:36Bagder_StefaN^: just ask
22:48:42pixelmaI prepared a few 40x40 cover.bmps to play with album art in my c200 WPS, which get upscaled in sliding_puzzle and so blurry that they are pretty much unusable
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22:49:12_StefaN^ok its about Clix theme for X5
22:49:16_StefaN^this one
22:49:45_StefaN^I downloaded the required build from and the theme (
22:50:05Bagderthat would be an unsupported build then...
22:50:05_StefaN^but when I load it on my x5 it doesnt look anywhere near like it should :(
22:50:25_StefaN^hmm, your right
22:50:36_StefaN^sorry, forgot it was a custom build
22:50:41_StefaN^my bad
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22:51:09Davide-NYChas anyone seen this ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter?
22:51:13_StefaN^but is there a way to load that theme on the current, official rockbox build?
22:51:29Bagder_StefaN^: try it out
22:51:42Bagderor adapt the wps file as necessary
22:52:30_StefaN^most of those themes have 'Themes require updates with latest builds!! See album art page for instructions.'
22:53:01_StefaN^I've tried that art page but I dont even know what I'm looking for (as funny as it may sound)
22:53:25scorche|wZagor: we could always have it as an additional page rather than replacing the current method immediately...then when someone bothers to make it look a bit more like our style we could do a quick change
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23:02:37p3turseems storebror has a full disk
23:03:28*p3tur pings Bagder
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23:08:11pixelmawouldn't that be Zagor :)
23:08:37p3turis it? I keep forgetting the names ;)
23:09:34Bagderno, storebror is mine
23:09:44Bagderas I am storebror to Zagor
23:10:27pixelmaoh, I always thought it was the other way round (but never knew numbers)
23:10:42pixelmasorry :)
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23:11:34cgneed more build servers? i would have one here...
23:11:55Bagderwe always need more!
23:13:03cgokay, i would have everything else setup, except missing and keyfile
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23:14:11Bagderyou need to rename the script, set execution rights and very the PATH and make -j options within it
23:14:19Bagderverify even
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23:20:42cgBagder: done. the ssh file should be ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ?
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23:21:50Bagderbuild server will connect from
23:21:56rasherI've never seen authorized_keys2
23:22:02cgBagder: okay
23:22:14Bagderrasher: then look now ;-)
23:22:58Bagder"The authorized_keys2 file has been deprecated since the OpenSSH 3.0 release (2001)."
23:23:08BagderI'm stuck in the dark ages
23:23:40cgBagder: the host is
23:24:13Bagdercg: all compilers and sdl installed?
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23:24:31Bagderno zip though...
23:25:27cgBagder: now has zip
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23:26:59Bagderserver added!
23:27:25cgyay :)
23:28:04cgnow somebody commit something :)
23:29:53*Bagder also added one of JdGordon's machines
23:30:35linuxstb_Is anything known about the Rockchip CPUs?
23:31:02BagderI don't think a lot is known, no
23:31:40pixelmaI think markun tried to find some info, but I could be confusing that
23:31:54*linuxstb_ found the forum thread
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23:45:29carlosphey guys
23:45:48carlospa little qustion about rockbox
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23:46:28carlospare there any plans to change the database features of rockbox, something more ipod like and real "auto update" funktion
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23:47:36csc`define 'ipod like' carlosp
23:48:25soapthe irony is the iPod itself doesn't update its database - it uses the PC side program iTunes to do the database building and updating.
23:49:04*linuxstb wonders what's wrong with Rockbox's auto-update function
23:49:12vorwartsi lraedy know that toshiba gigabeat u-202 is not currently supported by rockbox. just checking if anyone here has bought this crap and can manage to run it somehow through virtualization. thanks
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23:50:23scorche|wvorwarts: well, this is an on-topic channel..
23:50:31Lars_GI'm (La)TeX dissabled... what do I need to have around to be able to build the pdf manuals? if you speak it in ubuntuese-debs much better
23:50:43carlospwell usually, i have auto update enabled, it does not really update
23:51:02pixelmaLars_G: already tried ?
23:51:14Lars_Gpixelma: Nope. and thanks
23:51:39preglowLars_G: installing texlive should do, afaik
23:52:01stripwaxcarlosp - in what way does it not really upadte
23:52:10stripwax^update. Have you found a bug?
23:52:23carlospthe database does not show the new songs which are added
23:52:38carlospit does not delete the ones i have already removed
23:52:46pixelmapreglow, Lars_G: that page mentions the old names of the packages but I've been told you'll get automatically linked
23:52:48*BigBambi still wonders what "ipod like" means
23:52:59linuxstbcarlosp: Have you read this section of the manual?
23:53:17carlospand it shows no songs in menu points like "most recent" or "forgetten favs" and so on
23:53:40stripwaxcarlosp - in particular the part that says "Note: The Auto Update will only check for deleted files if the Directory Cache (Settings -> General Settings -> System -> Disk -> Directory Cache) is enabled. Update now includes that check whether dircache has been enabled or not. "
23:53:48*scorche|w discovers that work has now blocked
23:53:59preglowpixelma: looks like it, for now, but that should be changed, of course
23:54:09*preglow can't be bothered to do so now
23:54:30Lars_GPlus you need to restart the device to reload the database once you've done changes
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23:54:57carlospoh ok :)
23:55:01carlospi will check now
23:55:01linuxstb^_cleanly_ restart (not reset with MENU+SELECT)
23:55:20pixelma"most recent" and the like only work with "gather runtime data" enabled
23:55:38*linuxstb wonders if more of these options should be enabled by default
23:55:50Lars_GWell there are two things of the sansa I dislike but for the rest it's a great device
23:55:51*preglow too
23:56:09rasherstripwax: I thought that limitation was removed?
23:56:10Lars_Glinuxstb: I always saw their off state as remmants from the beta days of the database
23:56:26stripwaxrasher - if that's true then the manual is wrong
23:56:31linuxstb"off by default" seems to be how all new features are implemented...
23:56:43Lars_Glinuxstb: Yes but this one lingered
23:56:54linuxstbThat's my point - they all linger.
23:56:58pixelmastripwax: wouldn
23:57:06pixelma't make me wonder
23:57:09magenpiei just can't figure out how to get the voice recording to work...i was helped this morning and got it once
23:57:27pixelma(that the manual is wrong/outdated)
23:57:33rasherIt also seem odd to me that you can turn runtimedb on and off.. seems like something that should just be on, always
23:57:47rasherThe fact that it's a separate system shouldn't matter to the user
23:58:08linuxstbPresumably there's some cost to enabling it?
23:58:08vorwartsscorche|w: just checking if anyone could point me out some sort of workaround. all in all, rockbox is the only linux project building drivers for gigabeat models
23:58:33linuxstbRockbox isn't a linux project...

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