| 00:00:19 | gevaerts | linuxstb_: yes, but probably overkill. I guess bootloader.bin is the app that runs on the e200r ? |
| 00:01:30 | linuxstb_ | gevaerts: There are many bootloader.bin files... |
| 00:02:05 | star_jasmine | hi.... I"m having a small problem creating a voice in cygwin. I can create it with the encoding defaults with speex but if I change the quality to 10 for bothq and c, it won't work. can anyone help? |
| 00:02:07 | gevaerts | linuxstb_: I mean the one referenced on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation |
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| 00:03:05 | JdGordon|w | amiconn: is merging the way to go though? I assume neither engine is really in great shape anyway... so why not start a unified engine from scratch doing exactly what we want from it and getting it right the first time? instead of fixing sw to handle hw (or vice verca) |
| 00:03:18 | linuxstb_ | Yes. You compile that by selecting target 51, then I for install when you configure. The source is bootloader/main-e200r-installer.c |
| 00:04:01 | preglow | JdGordon|w: hwcodec is quite stable, afaik |
| 00:04:30 | linuxstb_ | I would imagine it's extremely stable - as I can't ever remember a commit to it... |
| 00:04:47 | linuxstb_ | (apart from id3 parser bugs) |
| 00:04:51 | preglow | JdGordon|w: how do we get it right, though? we'll still have to code the same features we have today |
| 00:05:02 | preglow | my proposition is let's just pay jhMikeS to doit :) |
| 00:05:09 | linuxstb_ | Or not ;) Get rid of pesky things like crossfade... |
| 00:05:45 | JdGordon|w | nagging jhMikeS to do it sounds like a workable solution :p |
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| 00:10:12 | pixelma | I would really like to be able to play wav the "normal" way on my Ondio, it has a much nicer sound... |
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| 00:30:22 | grey | o/ |
| 00:31:08 | Soul-Burn | ok... for my auto-updating/syncing, I decided to use rsync :> |
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| 00:36:51 | * | Nico_P has a sync script using rsync too... very practical |
| 00:36:58 | Nico_P | although I don't use it ATM :/ |
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| 00:46:21 | amiconn | preglow, JdGordon: The hwcodec playback engine is very stable, but also rather limited |
| 00:47:05 | amiconn | In its current form it would not allow integraiting MoB at all - as it does the bitswap in-place, across all loaded data |
| 00:47:52 | Nico_P | amiconn: would it be hard to add the bitswap to buffering.c? |
| 00:48:19 | amiconn | No, but I don't think this would be the right way |
| 00:48:30 | linuxstb | Is it worthwhile trying to merge them? |
| 00:49:07 | amiconn | Doing the bitswap in-place has the disadvantage that we can only play data that can be played as-is, i.e. mp2/mp3 and plain pcm wav/aiff |
| 00:49:33 | amiconn | It would not allow to decode e.g. adpcm (unless we do it at buffering time, which would be a waste |
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| 00:50:27 | amiconn | So I think we need the equivalent of a "codec" and the "pcm buffer" |
| 00:50:28 | preglow | yeah, hwcodec seems very hard coded |
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| 00:50:37 | preglow | but then again, there was no reason for it not to be |
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| 00:52:03 | amiconn | But the "pcm" buffer should be as small as possible (because of the little ram). I think this rules out doing the "codec" work in a thread |
| 00:53:14 | amiconn | It has to happen in the audio callback isr. But that means it has to be done in small chunks - and even then it is not clear whether this will be smooth enough to not disturb other tasks |
| 00:54:27 | amiconn | The "codec" task would just be the bitswap for mp2/mp3 and pcm, but more than that for e.g. adpcm |
| 00:55:33 | amiconn | We will also need a state machine handling the MAS setup. And mpeg audio <-> pcm transitions cannot be gapless. |
| 00:55:48 | amiconn | I'm not sure whether playback.c needs to be aware of that fact |
| 00:57:00 | * | Nico_P has been pondering the use of a state machine approach in playback.c |
| 00:57:40 | preglow | everything i've seen thus far seems to suggest that's the way to go |
| 00:57:44 | amiconn | Well, for handling the MAS, a state machine makes very much sense. Depending on the target, there need to be 2, 3 or 5 states |
| 00:58:14 | preglow | it also makes for very easily maintainable threading code |
| 00:58:43 | amiconn | 0: dsp disabled, only audiocodec active (for idle mode with voice disabled, or the radio without prerecording) |
| 00:58:53 | amiconn | 1: mpeg audio playback |
| 00:59:20 | amiconn | 2: pcm playback (all MAS' except 3507D (Player)) |
| 00:59:34 | amiconn | 3: mpeg audio recording (3587 only) |
| 00:59:43 | amiconn | 4: pcm recording (3587 only) |
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| 01:01:11 | * | preglow asks for motivation to complete his faad sync... |
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| 01:02:38 | JdGordon|w | ill commit the quickscreen patch again if you dont do the sync! |
| 01:02:42 | JdGordon|w | good enough? :D |
| 01:03:00 | preglow | go ahead! |
| 01:03:15 | preglow | i think i'll just go ahead and not do it, i hate faad |
| 01:03:18 | preglow | it's ugly and it smells bad |
| 01:04:02 | Nico_P | JdGordon|w: with a few improvements it'll be perfectly fine to commit... the idea is very good |
| 01:05:05 | * | preglow wonders why his nano is so unresponsive when accessing the flash... |
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| 01:06:53 | preglow | might this be the same problem that plagues the high capacity videos? |
| 01:07:09 | Nico_P | maybe |
| 01:07:22 | preglow | it's really dog-slow while buffering |
| 01:07:27 | preglow | skipping a track takes ten seconds |
| 01:07:27 | Nico_P | I'm starting to think these problems isn't in my code |
| 01:07:47 | Nico_P | *aren't |
| 01:08:14 | preglow | ugh, this is quite bad |
| 01:08:16 | preglow | it's sluggish as hell |
| 01:08:36 | pixelma | I had that on my c250 as well but it got better recently (but curiously in some folders not) |
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| 01:09:00 | preglow | sweet lord, it's almost unusable |
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| 01:10:11 | JdGordon|w | Nico_P: passing the buck? tisk tisk... |
| 01:10:34 | Nico_P | preglow: do you have the DB? |
| 01:11:48 | preglow | Nico_P: nay |
| 01:11:59 | preglow | that is, yes |
| 01:11:59 | Nico_P | oh |
| 01:11:59 | preglow | i do |
| 01:12:01 | preglow | but not in ram |
| 01:12:07 | preglow | and i don't use it |
| 01:12:13 | preglow | but the files are there, and it's inited |
| 01:12:23 | Nico_P | try deleting the tcd files then |
| 01:13:10 | Nico_P | the culprit seems to be the deleted files detection |
| 01:13:38 | preglow | kiedoke, testing |
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| 01:14:09 | preglow | seems markedly improved, yes |
| 01:14:11 | preglow | yes it does |
| 01:14:51 | pixelma | did you have auto-update enabled? |
| 01:15:03 | preglow | nope |
| 01:15:29 | preglow | it's still madly laggy |
| 01:15:36 | preglow | it might have helped _some_ |
| 01:15:53 | preglow | but it's still excruciatingly laggy |
| 01:16:03 | Nico_P | :/ |
| 01:16:22 | preglow | sometimes it takes over five seconds to skip a track |
| 01:16:27 | preglow | and sometimes it registers keys waaaay too late |
| 01:16:31 | preglow | and in batch mode, almost |
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| 01:19:21 | Nico_P | I'm really looking forward to getting my hands on an ipod |
| 01:19:26 | * | preglow goes for a green delta :-) |
| 01:19:32 | preglow | Nico_P: you getting an ipod? |
| 01:19:48 | Nico_P | amiconn is going to send me LinusN's |
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| 01:20:54 | preglow | haha, has linus even gotten to use it himself yet? :) |
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| 01:21:38 | Nico_P | not much AFAIK, but he doesn't seem to miss it too much ;) |
| 01:21:51 | pixelma | he couldn't have used it with Rockbox... |
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| 01:26:27 | * | pixelma agrees with gevaerts |
| 01:28:06 | preglow | grah |
| 01:28:12 | preglow | half past one already |
| 01:28:28 | JdGordon|w | still early... |
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| 01:37:59 | * | preglow celebrates the 16 saved bytes on arm targets :) |
| 01:39:34 | markun | :) |
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| 01:43:32 | * | amiconn still needs to draw his layout idea for the quickscreen |
| 01:43:41 | amiconn | But not now.... |
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| 01:44:39 | * | preglow feels the lust for more speex hacking |
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| 01:50:42 | BigMac | Hey, anyone know how I can charge my gigabeat when it has a completly drained battery? |
| 01:50:50 | BigMac | Because you need to turn it on to charge |
| 01:50:56 | BigMac | and I can't charge it |
| 01:51:02 | markun | BigMac: you don't need to turn it on |
| 01:51:18 | BigMac | Well I have it plugged in |
| 01:51:19 | markun | just plug in either the charger or a USB cable |
| 01:51:24 | BigMac | and it doesn't kick over |
| 01:51:35 | markun | how long did you leave it connected? |
| 01:51:50 | BigMac | Its been like 5 minutes just sitting |
| 01:51:51 | BigMac | there |
| 01:52:07 | markun | 5 minutes is not very long for a completely drained battery |
| 01:52:14 | markun | do you have the batter switch to on? |
| 01:52:17 | markun | battery |
| 01:52:28 | BigMac | this is a few month old build, don't know if anything has changed in the boot code, but I can't update it either way |
| 01:52:36 | BigMac | yes it is on |
| 01:52:45 | BigMac | and I didn't know it was charging right now |
| 01:53:02 | BigMac | it just has a blank screen |
| 01:53:13 | markun | yes, even from USB it charges, but never shows the charge icon that way. |
| 01:53:35 | markun | maybe it doesn't from the charger either if the battery is too empty |
| 01:53:54 | markun | which ways did you mean by "either way"? |
| 01:53:56 | BigMac | wait so even though rockbox never loaded |
| 01:54:00 | BigMac | and it never turned on |
| 01:54:05 | BigMac | and I can't access the drive |
| 01:54:08 | BigMac | it is charging? |
| 01:54:24 | markun | if it's off and you connect the charger it should charge |
| 01:54:34 | BigMac | it doesn't |
| 01:54:39 | markun | how can you tell? |
| 01:54:53 | markun | just leave it for an hour and try to turn it on again |
| 01:54:53 | BigMac | Because I can leave it for an hour |
| 01:54:57 | markun | ok |
| 01:55:02 | BigMac | and still not be able to turn it on |
| 01:55:14 | BigMac | I have left it for an hour |
| 01:55:26 | BigMac | I left it while I got my haircut |
| 01:55:30 | BigMac | but not charging |
| 01:55:33 | markun | Last time I asked you it was just 5 minutes. I must have misunderstood. |
| 01:55:48 | BigMac | Yes, thi instance is |
| 01:55:58 | BigMac | I unplugged it to see if it would turn on |
| 01:56:05 | BigMac | but it didn't |
| 01:56:06 | markun | maybe reset the player with the battery switch and try to charge again |
| 01:56:12 | markun | I don't know what else you could try. |
| 01:56:45 | BigMac | Yah, tried that last night too |
| 01:56:55 | BigMac | thanks guy, anyone else got any ideas |
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| 02:01:38 | azn | how do you install the pacman rom |
| 02:02:31 | scorche|w | azn: how many times do we have to tell you to read the wikipages/manual? |
| 02:02:57 | azn | it says put it in the .rockbox/pacman/ directory |
| 02:03:12 | azn | so does that mean to create a pacman folder? |
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| 02:03:53 | scorche|w | if it doesnt exist, yes |
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| 02:21:21 | Soul-Burn | I seem to have a problem with themes. Many of them simply don't change much and don't look like in the previews |
| 02:22:50 | saratoga | what theme did you try |
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| 02:24:08 | Soul-Burn | oh wait |
| 02:24:13 | Soul-Burn | it might just be a font problem |
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| 02:24:39 | Soul-Burn | Aqua, Trinity, JoltAmp |
| 02:24:54 | saratoga | got a link? |
| 02:24:57 | Soul-Burn | all give me an ugly green font that isn't the one supposed to be |
| 02:25:13 | Soul-Burn | they are all in the "extra" installation version |
| 02:26:54 | saratoga | Soul-Burn: might want to mention a player and which of the sites linked under there you grabbed them from |
| 02:27:04 | saratoga | if you're not going to link the specific one |
| 02:27:14 | Soul-Burn | iPod photo, http://www.rockbox.org/ |
| 02:27:43 | Soul-Burn | full "extra install" |
| 02:27:49 | Soul-Burn | from the gui installer |
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| 02:32:42 | azn | i've checked the manual i can't find how to update your music |
| 02:32:55 | azn | in the rockbox database |
| 02:33:06 | Soul-Burn | Setting -> Database -> Update |
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| 02:34:45 | azn | how long does it take |
| 02:35:13 | Soul-Burn | a few minutes for me |
| 02:35:31 | azn | k |
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| 02:35:39 | azn | i have a nano |
| 02:35:41 | azn | ipod |
| 02:35:46 | azn | i want to add movies |
| 02:35:53 | azn | where is it in the manual |
| 02:36:06 | Soul-Burn | to add stuff, just copy it to your player |
| 02:36:17 | Soul-Burn | movies should be mpeg1/2 in .mpg form |
| 02:37:32 | webguest46 | anyone know how to get the griffin itrip to work with an ipod video 30gb? |
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| 02:42:03 | webguest26 | does anyone know how to get the griffin itrip to work with rockbox? |
| 02:44:02 | azn | r youtube vids .mpg? |
| 02:46:02 | advlaptop2019 | webguest26, there is a wiki about that |
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| 02:51:26 | Soul-Burn | damn battery life goes down |
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| 03:00:12 | Aghaster | Hi |
| 03:00:29 | Aghaster | I'm trying to find the page where all the credits for the people who contributed to the project is |
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| 03:17:33 | stripwax | Aghaster - it's inside rockbox itself - I believe it's a plugin called "Credits". |
| 03:17:52 | stripwax | and in SVN also |
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| 03:18:04 | saratoga | i know when you do a build it spits out a text file, but i have no idea where it comes from |
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| 03:20:30 | sk8member | any one there? |
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| 03:29:31 | hermy | does anyone have like a link for the gui for installing rockbox |
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| 04:50:44 | psycho_maniac | whats the custom quickscreen patch? |
| 04:53:20 | psycho_maniac | does it still need testing? i can test now after i finially got my gigabeat back |
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| 05:05:30 | JdGordon | psycho_maniac: yeah, if you wanna test it that would be good... fs#8553... althought the gigabeat screen really is too big for it so the parts which actually need testing (resizing and moving the items around) wont get tested |
| 05:06:37 | psycho_maniac | what players do need testing? |
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| 05:06:44 | JdGordon | all |
| 05:06:50 | JdGordon | but more the ones with smalller screens |
| 05:08:35 | psycho_maniac | since my sansa isnt my main player anymore i can test that also |
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| 05:11:17 | psycho_maniac | and quickscreen.2.patch is the most current patch? |
| 05:11:56 | JdGordon | no... 1 min |
| 05:12:52 | psycho_maniac | well im updating my source this moment anyways so i have time. |
| 05:13:01 | JdGordon | ok, latest ver is up |
| 05:13:44 | psycho_maniac | i see it was in svn then taken out. why was this? |
| 05:14:08 | scorche | dont ask :) |
| 05:19:30 | psycho_maniac | what number do i input when doing the patch command? |
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| 05:22:07 | JdGordon | -p0 |
| 05:22:13 | JdGordon | as all patches should be |
| 05:22:49 | psycho_maniac | thanks |
| 05:23:57 | psycho_maniac | i could maybe do an ipod video test also |
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| 05:24:49 | psycho_maniac | err maybe not. im getting a "missing initializer" error |
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| 05:25:47 | psycho_maniac | it patches fine though |
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| 05:43:02 | psycho_maniac | are there custom settings somewhere in the menu? |
| 05:43:41 | JdGordon | they are in the config file |
| 05:44:19 | JdGordon | "quickscreen spot:config name" where spot is left, right top or bottom and config name is the config string of the option you want to put there |
| 05:44:37 | JdGordon | e.g. "quickscreen bottom:shuffle" |
| 05:45:09 | psycho_maniac | wow you can tell i have this patched. seems to run slow when i enter quickscreen and change "show files" |
| 05:45:30 | midgey | are there any settings in svn that are "hidden" as in they can only be changed by editing the cfg file |
| 05:45:34 | JdGordon | yeah, that needs fixing |
| 05:45:39 | psycho_maniac | also i can only change it to either "supported" or "all" |
| 05:45:46 | JdGordon | midgey: yes 1 |
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| 05:45:58 | JdGordon | other than some filename settings |
| 05:46:04 | midgey | which one is that? |
| 05:46:53 | JdGordon | hold_lr_to_scroll or something along those lines |
| 05:47:00 | JdGordon | settings_list.c if you really interesetd |
| 05:47:16 | midgey | i'll check it out after exams |
| 05:48:04 | midgey | regarding the debate about gather runtime etc from earlier, i think thats a good candidate for being hidden. |
| 05:48:21 | midgey | set it to on by default and it could be changed by editing the config |
| 05:48:22 | JdGordon | we all agree hiden settings suck though |
| 05:48:45 | midgey | indeed but it would keep the option available and cut down on binsize slightly |
| 05:48:58 | midgey | not sure where you'd draw the line though |
| 05:49:13 | JdGordon | the delta would be tiny |
| 05:49:19 | JdGordon | 100bytes or something |
| 05:49:24 | JdGordon | barely wrth the efort |
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| 05:49:57 | psycho_maniac | JdGordon: give me some random settings to test this patch with |
| 05:52:36 | JdGordon | save your settings, open the .cfg with your favorite (or any) text editor.. grab one that you want to put there |
| 05:56:21 | psycho_maniac | works alright. i had a long one in there but it didnt show up. disable autoresume if phones not present |
| 05:57:41 | JdGordon | didnt show up how? |
| 05:57:47 | JdGordon | screenshots! |
| 05:57:50 | psycho_maniac | also i had a "quickscreen top:" setting and that didtn show up either. its not there. |
| 05:58:29 | psycho_maniac | hold on |
| 05:58:57 | psycho_maniac | just curious. have you had many testers? |
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| 06:01:30 | JdGordon | no |
| 06:01:35 | JdGordon | thats the bloody problem |
| 06:01:58 | psycho_maniac | first is the settings: http://xs124.xs.to/xs124/08065/dump080207-225913749.png |
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| 06:02:25 | JdGordon | arg.. i think I found the problem with the colours... viewports isnt using drawmode as I expected |
| 06:02:34 | JdGordon | thats fucked! |
| 06:02:43 | psycho_maniac | ? |
| 06:02:45 | JdGordon | oh, thats the text editor :p |
| 06:02:59 | psycho_maniac | correct. showing you what settings i have to the quickscreen |
| 06:03:18 | JdGordon | ok, they look correct |
| 06:03:21 | psycho_maniac | and this is what shows up: http://xs124.xs.to/xs124/08065/dump080207-225936154.png |
| 06:03:45 | JdGordon | show files is 2 words |
| 06:04:05 | psycho_maniac | alright, but what about the one on the left? |
| 06:04:06 | JdGordon | and the left one is too long |
| 06:04:23 | JdGordon | max 20 letters, which needs fixing... |
| 06:04:27 | JdGordon | not sure how though |
| 06:04:32 | psycho_maniac | ahh ok |
| 06:05:06 | psycho_maniac | could you do volume? |
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| 06:06:14 | JdGordon | elmost every setting should work |
| 06:06:25 | JdGordon | the only ones which definatly wont work are the colours and filenames |
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| 06:07:42 | psycho_maniac | alright but i can only change 2 settings out of any the setting has.. Ie: show files is either all or supported and volume is only 0 or 1. |
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| 06:08:31 | JdGordon | this is where it gets interesting... that was reported, but i cant reproduce it |
| 06:08:33 | psycho_maniac | wow when i did volume (this is probably not very good) i have it set to "left" and when i press it it goes from +6 to -73 repeating |
| 06:08:53 | psycho_maniac | good thing i dont have headphones plugged in |
| 06:09:00 | JdGordon | :) |
| 06:09:24 | JdGordon | show files reall doesnt work for you? |
| 06:09:27 | psycho_maniac | actually the volume doesnt seem to change. |
| 06:09:54 | psycho_maniac | it will only let me set it to supported or all |
| 06:10:00 | JdGordon | ok, you can stop testing... im fiddling with it now, if your stil around in an hour you can test again if im done |
| 06:10:50 | psycho_maniac | also volume doesnt change in quickscreen. When i exit the quickscreen THEN it changes |
| 06:12:13 | JdGordon | yeah, fixing that |
| 06:13:26 | psycho_maniac | also show files doesnt even work. It showed to show "supported" but was set to "playlists" |
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| 06:17:54 | psycho_maniac | I would be glad to help JdGordon but our time zones are different or i go to bed early. and am pretty busy in my normal life. |
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| 06:19:51 | psycho_maniac | so i will probably pop in tomorrow and see whats up and check the fs page. |
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| 06:29:18 | JdGordon | how does everyone feel about being asked to apply settings if a setting is changed in the quickscreen that doesnt have an auto-update callback function? |
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| 07:12:28 | JdGordon | oh bloody hell... /me slaps the sim |
| 07:12:39 | JdGordon | actually.. /me slaps the target |
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| 07:45:38 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: you rock! |
| 07:45:52 | Nico_P | just tested your changes on my S and I get to the menu! |
| 07:46:10 | * | JdGordon was going to say stop wasting time with the S and get to work on the swcodec replacement :) |
| 07:49:12 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I've no idea what to do next re: the directory tree |
| 07:49:35 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I guess we need a button driver, don't we? |
| 07:49:37 | jhMikeS | The button driver doesn't really work either |
| 07:49:41 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 07:50:23 | Nico_P | and maybe we could try getting the usb stack going, I have no idea what's to be done in that respect |
| 07:50:35 | Nico_P | it's make testing easier |
| 07:50:44 | Nico_P | s/it's/it'd |
| 07:51:39 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: also, the port page says "The Audio DAC is register compatible with the WM8975, for which rockbox already has a driver. However, we can't use it yet because the I2C driver is so far unwritten." |
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| 07:56:37 | jhMikeS | I don't know if it's really register compatbile. The WM chips have many differences. |
| 07:57:09 | aliask | What was wrong with the button driver? Seemed to work fine for me... |
| 07:57:26 | jhMikeS | For one, initializing interfered with the ATA init |
| 07:57:54 | aliask | Interesting... |
| 07:58:16 | aliask | IO mux stuff perhaps? |
| 07:58:51 | jhMikeS | I think we're at the point where disassembly is needed to get the correct register settings |
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| 08:10:34 | * | JdGordon having _fun_ pulling down 400mb of gcc/binutils soures to hopefully be able to buyild rockbox for pocket pc |
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| 08:20:19 | * | pondlife would just like to mention that "Gather Runtime Data" must remain an option whilst it causes a disk spinup after every track... |
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| 08:24:51 | pondlife | Until the runtime data gathering does lazy updates (i.e. on next spinup), it should be defaulted to off IMHO. Dircache and DB in RAM could default to on though. |
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| 08:25:20 | JdGordon | dircache and db in ram should default to off |
| 08:25:27 | JdGordon | +db |
| 08:25:52 | pondlife | I don't mind much either way. |
| 08:26:03 | pondlife | But Gather Runtime is still a bit flawed. |
| 08:26:31 | pondlife | Depends on target of course ... I wouldn't use a HD target without dircache |
| 08:26:40 | pondlife | But I don't own a flash target. |
| 08:28:48 | amiconn | I think dircache could default to on on hd targets with enough ram |
| 08:29:18 | amiconn | db in ram should default to off, as well as gather runtime data |
| 08:29:50 | amiconn | I'm not sure, but I thought 'gather runtime data' only saves at the next spinup? |
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| 08:30:17 | amiconn | That still doesn't mean I want to see it enabled by default |
| 08:30:35 | JdGordon | I dont suppose anyone here knows how to setup gcc for pocketpc? |
| 08:32:25 | aliask | jhMikeS: Did you notice that rockbox.gigabeat won't load properly if the hold switch is off? |
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| 08:35:47 | pondlife | amiconn: I believe the intention is that Gather Runtime Data only saves at the next spinup, but it seems not to be the case |
| 08:37:00 | amiconn | That'd be a serious bug then |
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| 08:38:08 | amiconn | Honestly, I have never tried it on any of my targets |
| 08:38:25 | Slasheri | amiconn: that is a problem because the way the playback engine has changed |
| 08:38:51 | Slasheri | but it can be fixed, the best when db is loaded to ram |
| 08:39:06 | JdGordon | how much data needs writing? |
| 08:39:11 | Slasheri | not much |
| 08:39:34 | Slasheri | it can be cached for non-db-in-ram targets too |
| 08:39:35 | JdGordon | point me in the direction of the offending code? |
| 08:39:59 | JdGordon | yeah, just cache it and write it out in an ata callback instead of the playback callback |
| 08:40:04 | Slasheri | playback engine now unbuffers tracks more often |
| 08:40:10 | amiconn | Well, looks like it needs integration with MoB |
| 08:40:10 | Slasheri | it's already cached |
| 08:40:24 | Slasheri | but now it's written to disk after a few seconds of inactivity |
| 08:40:35 | JdGordon | amiconn: you mean malloc() :D |
| 08:40:38 | Slasheri | JdGordon: you could change that inactivity trigger to ata callback trigger |
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| 08:40:59 | amiconn | No, I don't |
| 08:41:00 | Slasheri | but for db-in-ram targets it should be more intelligent |
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| 08:41:15 | JdGordon | db in ram should be fine to write back instantly |
| 08:41:17 | JdGordon | sholdnt it? |
| 08:41:28 | Slasheri | yes, write to ram |
| 08:41:40 | Slasheri | commit changed data on shutdown / after a longer delay |
| 08:42:10 | JdGordon | no problem with commiting on the ata callback also |
| 08:44:11 | Slasheri | JdGordon: check the run_command_queue in tagcache.c |
| 08:44:50 | amiconn | Slasheri: So that means the svn implementation should still work as originally intended on hwcodec? |
| 08:45:41 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, it should |
| 08:45:49 | LinusN | phew, my X5 is now repaired again, i replaced the joystick |
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| 08:46:36 | LinusN | they aren't manufactured anymore, but i managed to get hold of a few |
| 08:46:44 | JdGordon | Slasheri: would splitting up tagcache.c into seperate files make it easier for others to follow the code? |
| 08:47:04 | LinusN | the x5 joystick is really not of the best quality |
| 08:47:15 | Slasheri | JdGordon: well, maybe :) |
| 08:47:24 | * | amiconn honestly does not want to enable a 'spy on me' feature with useless output without being forced to though. |
| 08:47:27 | amiconn | </opinion> |
| 08:47:35 | Slasheri | JdGordon: i have thought about that also |
| 08:47:58 | JdGordon | 4500+ lines is never fun to work with :p |
| 08:48:26 | JdGordon | but thats beisdes the point... how many tracks can that buffer handle? |
| 08:49:57 | Slasheri | TAGCACHE_COMMAND_QUEUE_LENGTH 32 |
| 08:50:35 | Slasheri | so 32 data updates.. and one tracks requires several updates |
| 08:51:23 | Slasheri | JdGordon: 10 tracks |
| 08:51:33 | JdGordon | 10 tracks should be fine |
| 08:52:21 | JdGordon | something liek http://pastebin.ca/896021 should work |
| 08:52:24 | amiconn | There could easily be more than 10 tracks in ram on G5.5/80 |
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| 08:53:23 | JdGordon | not sure about that commit delay check though... that might be removable |
| 08:54:04 | * | JdGordon too tired to get the function names correct :( |
| 08:54:27 | JdGordon | ata_callback_register should be register_ata_idle_func |
| 08:55:45 | JdGordon | and shouldnt command_queue_timestamp get updated once the sync has happened? |
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| 09:03:37 | jhMikeS | aliask: I noticed if I flip the hold switch, then it locks. (the battery indicator stops blinking). |
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| 09:05:17 | jhMikeS | I think it's just because it actually tries reading the buttons in that case |
| 09:05:18 | Slasheri | JdGordon: well, currently command_queue_timestamps indicates when the last command was added to the queue |
| 09:05:30 | Slasheri | so after a defined idle period, a write will happen |
| 09:06:24 | JdGordon | is that actually needed though? |
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| 09:07:38 | JdGordon | I mean, is it a problem if that data doesnt get synced untill it has to? |
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| 09:14:08 | JdGordon | Slasheri: http://pastebin.ca/896033 is a bit better |
| 09:14:25 | jhMikeS | The Note: of MCIMX31RM.pdf p. 27-5, KCO 15-8 might be a clue |
| 09:14:38 | JdGordon | I didnt realise that command queue func was called every time through the thread so that woiuld have been nasty |
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| 09:19:48 | JdGordon | hmm... if this starts working, we should remove the setting completly and always log it |
| 09:22:32 | amiconn | Meh, noo |
| 09:22:51 | JdGordon | why not? |
| 09:23:18 | amiconn | I do not want to waste battery on a feature that spies on me without me ever needing the result |
| 09:23:35 | amiconn | Same goes for the last.fm thingy |
| 09:23:35 | JdGordon | hehe... your paranoid about software you write? :D |
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| 09:23:51 | JdGordon | and it hardly wastes any extra battery |
| 09:23:55 | LinusN | i agree, i can accept it being the default option, but not being mandatory |
| 09:24:30 | LinusN | however, i don't really see it as "spying" though |
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| 09:25:21 | LinusN | in fact, we should refrain from writing to the disk as much as possible |
| 09:25:32 | LinusN | imho |
| 09:26:08 | JdGordon | no, we should refrain from causing extra spinups... |
| 09:26:17 | LinusN | that too |
| 09:26:30 | LinusN | every disk write is a potential risk |
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| 09:30:00 | JdGordon | amiconn: can you draw up that diagram you were talking about how the quickscreen should look? and/or test out 8553 and let me know which screen/font/settings combos breaks it? |
| 09:31:39 | JdGordon | and on that bombshell.... /me going to bed |
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| 09:36:18 | Slasheri | JdGordon|zzz: looks good, if that works go ahead and commit :) |
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| 09:54:30 | pondlife | JdGordon|zzz: I'm probably too late, but the disk write should only happen on ATA spinup (and shutdown if that doesn't come out in the wash). |
| 09:54:38 | pondlife | No other timers or counts required. |
| 09:55:25 | pondlife | We should be able to cache data for as many tracks as the buffer can hold, of course... I think it's still limited to 128 somewhere |
| 09:56:25 | linuxstb | Isn't that going to require a large cache? i.e. N tracks * MAX_PATH, plus whatever the data is? |
| 09:57:12 | pondlife | Maybe, perhapas it should only do it using the database-in-RAM? |
| 09:57:31 | pondlife | Or store it on buffer in the track header? |
| 09:57:45 | * | pondlife invents terminology as he goes along... |
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| 10:07:06 | pondlif1 | rasher: Regarding my VM attempt, you asked about the output of lspci. I don't seem to have such a command. |
| 10:08:20 | pondlif1 | I'm downloading VMWare Server right now.. |
| 10:11:34 | GodEater | pondlif1: lspci is usually only in the PATH for the root user |
| 10:11:49 | GodEater | and downloading VMWare server won't fix it if it's not there in the vmimage ;) |
| 10:12:02 | GodEater | it should, however, be present in both the VMs you got from me |
| 10:12:02 | pondlif1 | I know, but it might help with my networking grief |
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| 10:12:11 | GodEater | (and should report the same thing as it would in rasher's) |
| 10:12:32 | pondlif1 | I was logged on as root btw |
| 10:12:50 | pondlif1 | I've uninstalled VMWare Player, will try both images again in a while |
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| 10:40:05 | gevaerts | So, did anyone else use my patch to brick a player yet ? |
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| 10:42:00 | GodEater | not yet ;) |
| 10:42:10 | * | daurnimator waves |
| 10:42:12 | GodEater | I'm looking at how to make it play nice with the 80GB ipods at the moment |
| 10:42:40 | pondlif1 | gevaerts: Did your later fixes resolve rasher's filesystem problem? |
| 10:42:48 | pondlif1 | I mean, prevent it reoccuring ;) |
| 10:43:02 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Still no luck recovering your player/ |
| 10:45:47 | gevaerts | pondlif1: They might. They do fix my problem (i.e. writing to the wrong flash(), and they do more error checking on incoming transfers, so things should at least be better. |
| 10:46:59 | gevaerts | linuxstb: not yet. I played a bit with the e200r tools and got code to run on the device (I can manipulate the button lights), but I couldn't get flash access yet. I'll spend more time on it tonight |
| 10:49:52 | pixelma | so I was lucky that the patch didn't work on windows anyways... :o |
| 10:51:39 | gevaerts | pixelma: yes. Using the sd card with the new version should be "safe" though (but will still not work on windows) |
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| 10:53:25 | gevaerts | I was wondering if the failure to switch to the USB screen on sansa might indicate that other component's disk access is not shut down properly, which might possibly account for some corruption issues. |
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| 10:55:00 | gevaerts | In which case the current patch should work better on ipod than on sansa. Anyone with both willing to try ? |
| 10:57:05 | pixelma | failure to switch to the USB screen? I could see it here... |
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| 11:02:11 | gevaerts | pixelma: It doesn't happen everywhere, but from what people said yesterday people with sansas mostly didnt get the screen, and people with ipods (both of them...) got it. During my testing I only got the screen once or twice |
| 11:02:52 | GodEater | gevaerts: linuxstb only got the usb screen on his ipod once (iiuc) |
| 11:03:01 | GodEater | I'm still getting it without fail though |
| 11:03:26 | gevaerts | GodEater: so it's a blocksize issue ;-) |
| 11:03:28 | pondlif1 | GodEater: Did you try VMWare Server on XP (i.e. not Windows Server)? |
| 11:03:57 | GodEater | pondlif1: yes |
| 11:04:03 | GodEater | I've run it on XP and linux |
| 11:04:32 | GodEater | gevaerts: how does the usb storage stuff send back the number of cylinders ? |
| 11:04:40 | GodEater | I've noticed it's still going back to the OS wrong |
| 11:06:20 | gevaerts | GodEater: It gets the total number of sectors directly from the disk (using the ata IDENTIFY data), and sends that back. The ata spec specifies sectors as 512 bytes. |
| 11:06:48 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:06:54 | gevaerts | On larger-sector systems we have to translate this number, but I don't know how to find the sector size to use. |
| 11:07:40 | GodEater | gevaerts: I think we should stick to using 512 byte sectors, since this is the size Rockbox's ATA driver works with |
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| 11:08:00 | LinusN | gevaerts: check for phys_sector_mult in ata.c |
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| 11:10:09 | GodEater | identify_info[106] right ? |
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| 11:10:39 | LinusN | GodEater: yes |
| 11:12:05 | gevaerts | LinusN: Do you mind if I make phys_sector_mult non-static, or should I re-get the value (I'm already getting some other stuff from identify_info, so that would not be too involved) ? |
| 11:12:32 | GodEater | I think making it non-static makes more sense |
| 11:12:37 | LinusN | me too |
| 11:12:50 | gevaerts | ok |
| 11:12:54 | GodEater | no point redoing work that's already done elsewhere |
| 11:13:58 | LinusN | on the other hand, the usb driver should have read identify[106] already... |
| 11:14:44 | LinusN | ah, i misunderstood your last comment |
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| 11:15:23 | LinusN | we should perhaps mimic the sector/block size that the apple bootloader uses |
| 11:15:32 | LinusN | (on the 5.5g) |
| 11:16:55 | GodEater | LinusN: what do you mean ? |
| 11:17:05 | GodEater | do you mean apple's disk mode ? |
| 11:17:11 | LinusN | yes |
| 11:17:43 | GodEater | I think that would involve a lot more work for our usb storage code to do |
| 11:17:55 | LinusN | you think so? |
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| 11:18:10 | GodEater | it would have to be constantly translating between what the computer OS is expecting, and what our ATA driver is expecting |
| 11:18:47 | LinusN | yes, adjusting sector addresses and sector amounts |
| 11:19:00 | GodEater | I think that provided we can implement sending back the right disk size info the host OS, then we have much less work to do |
| 11:19:29 | LinusN | could be |
| 11:19:45 | pondlif1 | But would our method be slower at high speed? |
| 11:19:56 | GodEater | our method is already slow for disk writes |
| 11:20:13 | GodEater | even if we didn't introduce all the translating at the USB level |
| 11:20:28 | AdRock | Need some help. Wanna get rockbox on @ e260, but I turn my player on and I get this message-rockbox boot loader version 4.0 sandisk sansa e260 no partition found, I can't get the firmware to load for either rockbox AND the sansa firmware. ???? |
| 11:20:34 | * | GodEater wonders if it's time for someone to give addressing the problem at the FAT level another go |
| 11:20:42 | * | pondlif1 was just typing that |
| 11:20:44 | GodEater | although I hasten to add that person isn't me =( |
| 11:20:44 | Bagder | AdRock: what firmware version does your player run? |
| 11:21:03 | AdRock | for rbox or factory? |
| 11:21:07 | Bagder | factory |
| 11:21:16 | Bagder | a bootloader says that |
| 11:21:21 | Bagder | then it is installed |
| 11:21:23 | AdRock | I dunno |
| 11:21:37 | Bagder | how did you install this, what procedure are you following? |
| 11:21:50 | * | pondlif1 really likes the latest RBUtil pre-release... |
| 11:22:36 | GodEater | LinusN, gevaerts: http://pastebin.ca/896094 |
| 11:22:40 | Bagder | AdRock: and the unbrick wiki page is your best bet to get back to a known proper state |
| 11:23:01 | GodEater | that pastebin shows the way the disk is identified by fdisk for three different sector sizes given over USB by Rockbox, and the original Apple firmware |
| 11:24:09 | AdRock | I haven't installed the full rockbox build yet. Had an old version, deleted it, reset the plater and now can't get the player to load shit. Not even the factory firmware. Did a full format of the player to see if it would wipe everything clean(done it be4-loaded orig. sansa firmware)but now I fon't get squat |
| 11:24:46 | AdRock | i got it plugged in. It comes up on my pc as a fat32 disk |
| 11:24:49 | pondlif1 | Gah, VMWare Server wants a serial number... |
| 11:24:59 | pondlif1 | I registered but didn't see one |
| 11:25:12 | GodEater | pondlif1: one sec - I have a stack of them |
| 11:25:40 | Bagder | AdRock: beeep, format is badness |
| 11:25:54 | Bagder | then again, go the unbrick route |
| 11:27:11 | Zagor | gevaerts: a bit late, but good work on the code. |
| 11:27:24 | AdRock | Is the unbrick when the hold switch is on, holding the rec. button, pressing the power(menu)button and releasing it? Tried that and it says enter usb2.0 MSD mode |
| 11:29:29 | gevaerts | Zagor: thanks. A pity my last test half-bricked my player though |
| 11:29:37 | AdRock | The version file text comes up in the E: submenu on my pc, it says−−−−Version Info: Product Rev.: |
| 11:29:57 | Zagor | gevaerts: if you can't revive it, we'll get you a new one |
| 11:30:09 | GodEater | Zagor: hahaha - where from ? :) |
| 11:30:20 | AdRock | The pc recoginzed the player only as 16MB-FORMAT(E:) |
| 11:30:31 | GodEater | does Rockbox have a stash of V1 Sansas somewhere ? |
| 11:30:32 | Bagder | AdRock: that's recovery mode |
| 11:30:39 | Zagor | c250 isn't hard to come by |
| 11:30:49 | GodEater | I'll take your word for it :) |
| 11:30:54 | Bagder | Zagor: well, lots of them are v2s these days |
| 11:30:55 | Zagor | oh darn, they're v2. silly me,. |
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| 11:31:31 | gevaerts | Zagor: It should be possible. I'm going to try something like e200rpatcher to rewrite my partition table. |
| 11:32:03 | AdRock | Well, if it's in recovery mode, it's not doing anything. The player's screen is still saying−−-Welcome To Recovery Mode Please Connect USB Cable. USB Cable Connected. Enter USB2.0 MSD Mode |
| 11:32:22 | Bagder | AdRock: recovery mode is for recovery, it doesn't "do" anything |
| 11:32:41 | Bagder | I think I mentioned the unbrick wiki page already |
| 11:33:29 | AdRock | ok. didn't know that. sorry. Well then, i'm stumped. didn't see any info on an unbrick wiki. |
| 11:33:59 | Bagder | ok, I did the 2 seconds search for you: |
| 11:34:01 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 11:34:11 | Bagder | there's no info there? |
| 11:34:37 | AdRock | wasn't looking on rockbox's page. |
| 11:34:46 | Bagder | you should, this is #rockbox... |
| 11:36:36 | gevaerts | GodEater: What model do you have ? I'm preparing a new patch, but I'd like to do a test build first |
| 11:37:12 | GodEater | iPod 5.5G 80GB |
| 11:37:18 | GodEater | Black :) |
| 11:37:27 | LinusN | gevaerts: so you can't prepare the partition table using UMS? |
| 11:37:57 | LinusN | GodEater: ah, i remember having one of those... :-) |
| 11:38:07 | GodEater | :) |
| 11:38:14 | gevaerts | LinusN: on my sansa ? no. it doesn't connect properly |
| 11:38:25 | LinusN | "properly"? |
| 11:38:41 | gevaerts | LinusN: all sorts of scsi errors |
| 11:38:44 | LinusN | wow |
| 11:40:01 | Bagder | it seems gevaerts has found a weird new middle-ground for a kind of brickness |
| 11:40:18 | Bagder | where the OF reads data off the nand and believes it to be true |
| 11:40:33 | gevaerts | Godeater : can you try patch I just uploaded ? It should handle blocksize conversion |
| 11:40:46 | GodEater | gevaerts: with pleasure |
| 11:41:36 | gevaerts | Bagder: I didn't "find" it. It took some hard work to get it that way ;=) |
| 11:41:43 | Bagder | hehe |
| 11:41:47 | Bagder | right, you *created* it |
| 11:41:51 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 11:41:53 | AdRock | Ok. I can't get into any sort of recovery mode or manufacturing mode. I have the E: device file and the version(recovery partition???) showing, but don't have any .mi4 files for original sansa firmware. |
| 11:42:17 | Bagder | AdRock: then get one from daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
| 11:43:44 | AdRock | I see 3 diff. ones. Any particular one to go with? |
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| 11:44:20 | AdRock | 2=regular bl rom, 1=regular bl |
| 11:44:38 | Bagder | you want a .mi4 one |
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| 11:46:14 | amiconn | GodEater: Our ata sector size handling is *only* slow if ata_write_sectors is *actually* called for single sector transfers |
| 11:46:25 | AdRock | K. getting 1.02.15a saved to disk. once saved and opened, do i just take the .mi4 file and load it into the recovery partition? |
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| 11:46:59 | amiconn | If the sector count in the call is a multiple of 2 (in case of the MK8011GAH), it doesn't slow down anything |
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| 11:47:21 | LinusN | amiconn: well, we still do 1-sector reads when parsing directories, don't we? |
| 11:47:22 | amiconn | Same goes for reading |
| 11:47:35 | LinusN | and we do that a lot, right? |
| 11:47:43 | amiconn | LinusN: In rockbox, yes. But usb transfers wnever would |
| 11:47:49 | LinusN | of course |
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| 11:49:12 | amiconn | That said, our fat driver should learn to optionally handle larger blocks, allowing to trade ram for performance or vice versa, at compile time |
| 11:49:15 | gevaerts | amiconn: Windows does (if the device has a 512 bytes USB blocksize). |
| 11:49:37 | amiconn | gevaerts: Yeah, but the G5.5 has 2048 bytes USB block size |
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| 11:51:35 | GodEater | New fdsik -l output : http://pastebin.ca/896105 |
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| 11:51:57 | GodEater | I'm dd'ing out the firmware partition as a test currently |
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| 11:52:46 | eminn3m | I know it says to ignore found new hardware popups but its not showing up as a drive |
| 11:53:26 | eminn3m | I have no way to access it |
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| 11:53:50 | gevaerts | GodEater: that looks interesting. At least the total size is now correct. |
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| 11:54:08 | GodEater | gevaerts: it was anyway when using 512 byte sectors (see earlier pastebin) |
| 11:54:16 | GodEater | it's just the block counts which are different |
| 11:55:16 | gevaerts | My guess is that it still won't work correctly. The partition table still doesn't match reality. |
| 11:55:31 | GodEater | correct |
| 11:55:36 | GodEater | the dd produced garbage again |
| 11:55:37 | AdRock | K. Got the player unbricked (f'ing finally-thanks badger) but now it is coming up 'Not enough free space, free up 6mb.) looked at the system info and it's showing a disk space and free space total of 0 |
| 11:56:25 | Bagder | wow, what is saying that? the regular firmware? |
| 11:56:33 | gevaerts | Godeater: Can you change usb_storage.c line 246 to block_size_mult = 4; instead of phys_sector_mult ? |
| 11:57:12 | GodEater | gevaerts: one second |
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| 12:01:38 | AdRock | Sorry. connection timed out. what do i do ? |
| 12:02:27 | gevaerts | AdRock: try going back to recovery mode as described on the wiki, and putting an empty file named 'sansa.fmt' on the 16MB rcovery partition |
| 12:03:42 | GodEater | gevaerts: http://pastebin.ca/896115 |
| 12:04:33 | LinusN | GodEater: looks about right, doesn't it? |
| 12:04:59 | AdRock | by which means do i go about putting a new file into the partition folder? E: screen came up with Version text doc. and that's it |
| 12:05:47 | GodEater | LinusN: is does |
| 12:05:55 | GodEater | s/is/it |
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| 12:08:27 | hcs | It's my fault for not paying attention, but is there a reason why inserting a single track (when playback was stopped) doesn't work? |
| 12:09:24 | gevaerts | GodEater: can you mount it ? (I'd try r/o for now...) |
| 12:09:53 | GodEater | I'm trying a dd first |
| 12:09:56 | GodEater | it's still running |
| 12:10:48 | LinusN | hcs: that bug has been reported earlier, i don't know if it has been researched though |
| 12:10:51 | * | GodEater sees an apple copyright ascii art image |
| 12:10:59 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 12:11:56 | hcs | LinusN: is there a new playback mechanism? is there a flyspray entry I should look at? |
| 12:12:52 | * | GodEater sees a directory listing! |
| 12:13:00 | GodEater | \o/ |
| 12:13:07 | LinusN | hcs: there are plenty of (i think) related flyspray tasks, plus a bunch of threads in the forum |
| 12:13:09 | Bagder | wow |
| 12:13:13 | Bagder | that's great |
| 12:13:29 | markun | GodEater: congrats! |
| 12:13:31 | AdRock | Damnit....I'm getting pissed. I got the firmware to boot, got the main screen and options on the sansa e26o f/w, but it's showing that I have 0.0 space at all for storage. WTF??? |
| 12:13:43 | LinusN | hcs: for example FS #8520 |
| 12:13:58 | gevaerts | AdRock: Can you go to the settings menu and choose "format" ? |
| 12:14:18 | markun | GodEater: I was assuming this was about the Gigabeat S, but I see I was mistaken, right? |
| 12:14:28 | hcs | LinusN: thanks |
| 12:14:34 | GodEater | markun: iPod sorry markun |
| 12:14:40 | * | GodEater is doing about 9 things at once |
| 12:14:42 | pixelma | hcs: that's a very weird bug, I only get it on certain folders and in such a folder it also skips the 3rd track when playing from a point with more than 2 tracks remaining |
| 12:15:21 | hcs | pixelma: yeah I've noticed odd playlist skipping, too |
| 12:15:27 | AdRock | settings listed-radio options, music options, slideshow options, backlight, language, time and date, brightness, bolume, reset all, info, auto shut off, usb mode. That's it |
| 12:15:31 | gevaerts | Does anyone have a suggestion about how to find out this 2048 byte sector size thing ? Should I just check for the build model, or is there a more general way to do it ? |
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| 12:16:08 | pixelma | hcs: couldn't find out what determines such a folder... :\ |
| 12:16:41 | hcs | pixelma: it's new behavior, though, this always used to work. any determination when it was introduced? |
| 12:16:50 | gevaerts | AdRock: do you et a drive letter when you plug it in ? If not, try setting the usb mode to MSC. |
| 12:17:33 | LinusN | gevaerts: i don't know of a sure-fire way to do it |
| 12:18:08 | GodEater | I'm getting usb device resets like linuxstb was yesterday too |
| 12:18:14 | GodEater | but otherwise it's great :) |
| 12:18:17 | AdRock | It says exception processing message and then a bunch of numbers and letters, and i have it in msc mode |
| 12:19:23 | pixelma | hcs: unfortunately no, can't give an exact date. I realised now that I haven't heard track three in one of my favourite albums I listen to regularly, must be a few weeks |
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| 12:21:02 | gevaerts | AdRock: Try going back to the recovery mode, and put a file called sansa.fmt on it. If you can't make one, I put one at http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/sansa.fmt you can download. |
| 12:21:11 | hcs | pixelma: ok, just wondered if it'd be a waste for me to go looking |
| 12:22:24 | AdRock | got booted again. sorry. anyways, it says-exception processing message then a bunch of numbers and letters.=window-no disk. when i go into my pc, it shows E: and F: but i click on them both and it says please insert disk into drive : |
| 12:22:57 | hcs | also yay for whoever decided BUTTON_VOL_UP for e200 but BUTTON_SCROLL_BACK for c200 |
| 12:23:07 | AdRock | i clicked on your link geavers and i get a blank page |
| 12:23:32 | gevaerts | AdRock: right-click and save it |
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| 12:24:12 | AdRock | k. i just load that into the recovery partition then? |
| 12:24:19 | gevaerts | AdRock: yes |
| 12:24:23 | Soul-Burn | feature request: when a directory is empty in the file manager, it should show it somehow, otherwise you get an empty screen which is not intuitive, and scary the first time |
| 12:25:05 | Zagor | LinusN: isn't there some way to tell from the disk that it's a 2048 model? |
| 12:25:41 | LinusN | Zagor: the thing is that the disk is a 1024-byte model, it's apple's idea to make the block size 2048 bytes |
| 12:25:50 | pixelma | hcs: in these folders, I also have the problem that resume will start at the beginning of the next track not at the resume point. And I was testing this a while ago and found resume started misbehaving with r16105 (which surprised me too) - *but* this was before I noticed it's only certain folders for me and I'm not so sure anymore if it's the same thing |
| 12:25:54 | LinusN | and i believe it does that even if the disk is a 512-byte model |
| 12:26:04 | Zagor | ok |
| 12:26:38 | AdRock | I tried saving the file/link and it only comes up as the option to save link as. I tried saving it and i get nothing. |
| 12:26:49 | pixelma | hcs: what do you mean with the button definitions? |
| 12:26:51 | LinusN | i don't know if all 5.5G models use a 2048-byte block size |
| 12:27:04 | GodEater | LinusN: do we know if any other RB targets use the same exact drive model ? |
| 12:27:28 | LinusN | i don't know of any |
| 12:27:32 | * | LinusN goes to lunch |
| 12:27:47 | GodEater | then we could base our block size check on the drive model (nasty nasty hack) |
| 12:27:50 | AdRock | man, my player is supremely fucked |
| 12:27:52 | GodEater | but I can't think of another way to do it |
| 12:28:04 | Bagder | AdRock: not really |
| 12:28:04 | hcs | pixelma: never mind, was confusion on my part |
| 12:29:03 | AdRock | well, i got the sansa.fmt file into the e: partition. E: screen reads-Version-txt file 1kb. sansa.fmt fmt file 0kb. |
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| 12:29:33 | gevaerts | AdRock: OK. Now choose "safe remove", and unplug the sansa |
| 12:30:08 | AdRock | screen reads- formatting |
| 12:30:15 | gevaerts | We could of course read the fat boot sector, but that's not really clean |
| 12:30:33 | gevaerts | AdRock: OK. that's what it should do |
| 12:31:38 | gevaerts | AdRock: Now just wait until it resets itself |
| 12:31:41 | AdRock | the only reason this started on me is that everytime i used rockbox's database on my player, it would go extremely slow. Eg. wouldn't load files sometimes, would take hours to build a database for roughly 1k mp3 files, wouldn't seek for different songs, etc. |
| 12:32:06 | Bagder | AdRock: I would say that you should've tried a scandisk as step 1 |
| 12:32:42 | Bagder | but the good news is now you don't have to ;-) |
| 12:32:48 | AdRock | Even after I removed rockbox and did I full re-install of the software it would act up. Everything works perfectly within rockbox, except for the database |
| 12:33:39 | AdRock | Well, good shit. The orig. firmware is up and running finally with the correct storage amount. Whew. was worried for quite a bit |
| 12:34:06 | gevaerts | AdRock: great! |
| 12:34:22 | Soul-Burn | AdRock, did you load it to ram? |
| 12:35:50 | AdRock | Thanks for all the help you guys. Now, as far as putting r/box back on, if the database still loads super slow or the player plays a song, even after i seek forward and it takes more that a min. or two, to get to the next track, what might the problem be? |
| 12:38:58 | AdRock | Rockbox back up and running, database build taking 4ever again though. Only reading 1 file per 2 min or so. :( |
| 12:38:59 | gevaerts | AdRock: I'd say it is very possible that your problems were caused by a corrupted filesystem in the first place, so I don't think it makes much sense to speculate on other causes before ruling that out (note that I know nothing about how rockbox handles its filesystem and database) |
| 12:39:12 | gevaerts | AdRock: OK. So I was wrong... |
| 12:40:00 | AdRock | no worries. |
| 12:41:08 | AdRock | Shit. Well, now the player isn't reading the micro sd drive, even though I have a 2gb card in it. |
| 12:42:22 | AdRock | trying 1gb card.......damn. still coming up please insert disk into drive g: f: is fine (sansa player) |
| 12:44:49 | amiconn | LinusN: All G5.5s (i.e. both the 30GB and the 80GB model) uses 2048-byte usb block size |
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| 12:45:05 | amiconn | The plain G5, however, uses 512 byte |
| 12:45:47 | gevaerts | amiconn: So only the G5.5 uses 2048 bytes ? Then it's probably easiest to just test for that. What's the correct #define to test for ? |
| 12:46:36 | AdRock | Well, the sansa firmware is up and running without a problem. same with rockbox, but within both, no recognization of the micro sd slot......?? |
| 12:48:37 | AdRock | nothing eh??? |
| 12:49:01 | pixelma | Soul-Burn: for your interest - you can't load the database to RAM on the Sansas |
| 12:49:23 | gevaerts | AdRock: Sounds like a hardware problem to me, but you never know. |
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| 12:50:34 | Bagder | AdRock: if the OF shows the problem, then surely it isn't due to rockbox and since both show this it sounds like something is broken |
| 12:50:36 | Soul-Burn | pixelma, didn't know :-P |
| 12:50:41 | peppo | do I need to buy a classic for any of the devs, or is this already taken care of? =) |
| 12:50:58 | Bagder | peppo: I think you'd need to do more than that... |
| 12:52:23 | amiconn | gevaerts: There is no #define, as the same build runs on both the G5 and G5.5 |
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| 12:52:54 | gevaerts | amiconn: I just found that out. Is there another way to know ? |
| 12:54:03 | AdRock | Is there anyway to see if there is a problem with the micro sd slot and why it won't recognize a micro sd card? tried the card seperately on my pc and phone and it's working fine. |
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| 12:59:47 | AdRock | ??? |
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| 13:01:31 | AdRock | Is there anyway to see if there is a problem with the micro sd slot and why it won't recognize a micro sd card? |
| 13:01:54 | n1s | try in the of? |
| 13:02:08 | AdRock | of? |
| 13:02:14 | n1s | orig. firmware |
| 13:02:15 | GodEater | original firmware |
| 13:02:30 | AdRock | yea. nothing. |
| 13:03:06 | AdRock | it comes up on my pc. when i put it in a card reader, it comes up on my phone's slot, but nothing on the sansa firmware. |
| 13:04:14 | AdRock | even when i have the card in the sansa and connected to my pc. it comes up as a please insert disk. Did I load a bad version of the firmware when i had to re-format the player? |
| 13:04:32 | n1s | could you try with a different card? |
| 13:04:34 | amiconn | Is it an SDHC card? |
| 13:05:06 | AdRock | I used a 1gb, 2gb. both reg. and then tried a 4gb hc. |
| 13:05:06 | Bagder | AdRock: you can always run the sandisk firmware update thing to get the latest, afaiu |
| 13:05:45 | AdRock | all cards xcept for the 4gb. show up on my pc, phone and in the past on the sansa. |
| 13:06:50 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:06:53 | AdRock | running the sansa updater, but it shows nothing. running v.1.02.15a firmware. Any possible way to downgrade by a version? |
| 13:07:01 | amiconn | That's expected then, afaik the sansa OF doesn't support SDHC |
| 13:07:16 | amiconn | 4GB and higher are SDHC cards |
| 13:08:24 | AdRock | know that. i only used to use the 4gb with rockbox and a n95 & pc. with the adapter. norm. f/w in sansa and my razr don't recognize it. |
| 13:08:26 | Bagder | AdRock: not using that tool I think |
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| 13:09:44 | amiconn | Rockbox should be able to use it, yes. But you cannot access it from the PC |
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| 13:10:50 | AdRock | only san access it from my pc. when i have the card in an sd reader card hooked up to a usb adapter. only way to add/delete files. |
| 13:11:19 | * | pixelma doesn't understand what amiconn is trying to say, me thinks AdRock's answers show he knows that |
| 13:11:57 | kugel | pixelma: I'm not entirely sure, but Load to RAM should be possible on e200 |
| 13:12:14 | kugel | the option is there |
| 13:12:22 | AdRock | be4 i was having problems w/my sansa, it was reading the regular microsd cards, up until i had to re-format the player, go into recovery mode and re-install the factory firmware |
| 13:13:07 | kugel | pixelma: on c200 as well |
| 13:13:42 | pixelma | kugel: with an SVN build? If I read correctly that option is only defined when you have both dircache and database, and dircache is not defined in SVN. It's definitely not there on my c200 |
| 13:14:02 | kugel | then the manual is wrong |
| 13:14:25 | kugel | however, I remember the option on the e200 |
| 13:14:29 | pixelma | that wouldn't surprise me... :\ |
| 13:15:14 | amiconn | Dircache is not enabled in svn for both c200 and e200 |
| 13:15:37 | amiconn | This is because it cannot handle multivolume and hotswap |
| 13:15:53 | amiconn | It was enabled before multivolume support |
| 13:17:11 | pixelma | kugel: unfortunately the manual doesn't update itself with changes in the code... |
| 13:17:21 | pixelma | I mean to rockbox |
| 13:17:30 | AdRock | So, any thoughts/ideas on how to get the micro sd slut on the e260 to work again? |
| 13:17:37 | kugel | amiconn: yes, you are right. I think I was confused, since the "dircache on multivolume targets" patch enables load to ram as well |
| 13:18:18 | kugel | pixelma: Yea, I noticed that several times too |
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| 13:22:07 | pixelma | n1s: reminds me a bit of the idea of parsing the features.txt to UseOptions... |
| 13:22:41 | n1s | ah, yes, had totally forgotten about that |
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| 13:23:02 | n1s | Would need a bit of script fu though... |
| 13:23:47 | pixelma | which I definitely not have |
| 13:23:57 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/02/08/rockbox-international-devcon-2008/ |
| 13:24:34 | petur | Bagder: east cost? :p |
| 13:24:42 | Bagder | oh |
| 13:24:59 | Bagder | it wasn't underlined! ;-P |
| 13:25:01 | n1s | pixelma: I'll try to look into it tomorrow if I feel motivated :) thanks for the reminder |
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| 13:27:14 | petur | if USD is dirt cheap, maybe the US people can fly over here as their flight tickets will be cheaper... |
| 13:27:37 | Bagder | they're cheaper for us, yes |
| 13:27:41 | hcs | not if our money is USD |
| 13:27:43 | Bagder | so we can buy them tickets |
| 13:28:13 | pixelma | US has one disadvantage for europeans - the new passports (or at least I don't have and needed one yet) |
| 13:28:24 | Bagder | ah yeah |
| 13:28:29 | * | petur would need a new passport too :/ |
| 13:28:43 | Bagder | but all places will have their pros and cons |
| 13:29:13 | Bagder | I think the major issue is to get someone local to "host" |
| 13:30:18 | pixelma | and a location with the right equipment |
| 13:32:54 | GodEater | didn't a hotel room suffice in Las Vegas for devcon west ? |
| 13:33:14 | Bagder | yeah, there ought to be hotels that can offer help for this |
| 13:33:27 | GodEater | I thought they all pitched in for a suite |
| 13:33:34 | GodEater | and then hung out in it's "living room2 |
| 13:33:46 | Bagder | yes, but if we're a somewhat larger group a suite might get crowded |
| 13:33:54 | GodEater | two suites then |
| 13:33:59 | GodEater | adjoining ;) |
| 13:34:10 | GodEater | rock stars do that all the time - hire the top floor of the hotel out ;) |
| 13:34:26 | * | petur would be allowed to host it at work... |
| 13:36:13 | Bagder | maybe we should just gather such offers in a devcon2008 wiki page |
| 13:36:21 | GodEater | good idea |
| 13:36:23 | markun | Bagder: I wouldn't mind visiting New York again. We could ask some of the guys from the RockboxNYC meeting. |
| 13:36:39 | GodEater | we only need to wait another couple of hours for them to wake up |
| 13:36:41 | GodEater | :) |
| 13:37:03 | hcs | I live close to NYC, fwiw, and would prefer a meet there. |
| 13:37:26 | GodEater | hcs: could you *organise* one though ? |
| 13:37:34 | hcs | no, thus "fwiw" |
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| 13:38:53 | Bagder | I live close too, just a 6-7 hours flight ;-) |
| 13:38:53 | markun | Let's ask Davice-NYC and Lambda |
| 13:38:58 | markun | Davide |
| 13:39:16 | * | Bagder guesses, can't remember the actual time |
| 13:39:35 | markun | Bagder: It was 6 hours from NYC to Amsterdam |
| 13:39:43 | petur | how to prices for tickets compare EU/US? are the tickets in the EU cheaper? |
| 13:39:58 | kugel | oh, I'd like to join your meeting very much |
| 13:40:09 | markun | last time google payed my ticket. Maybe we should ask them again ;) |
| 13:40:18 | Bagder | kugel: I expect it to be open for everyone who wants to join |
| 13:40:31 | kugel | Not only for devs? |
| 13:40:35 | Bagder | we're all devs |
| 13:40:44 | markun | and I know a very nice vietnamese restaurant in Chinatown where we can eat :) |
| 13:41:01 | Bagder | markun: you think we can have the meet there? :-) |
| 13:41:15 | Bagder | meet and meat |
| 13:41:20 | kugel | Bagder: I meant for devs with svn commit access of course :) |
| 13:41:49 | Bagder | kugel: I truly meant everyone |
| 13:41:55 | kugel | cool |
| 13:42:28 | kugel | Though, I doubt I'll have time until end of april |
| 13:42:31 | markun | Bagder: only if you don't mind having a lot of chinese people around you having dinner :) |
| 13:42:38 | Bagder | hehe |
| 13:43:06 | GodEater | and getting soy sauce in your keyboard |
| 13:43:59 | markun | I also found a much more quiet restaurant in chinatown with a lot of white tourists, but the food was terrible. |
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| 13:44:29 | * | GodEater doesn't need to go all the way to NYC to see tourists and bad food |
| 13:44:34 | LinusN | i'd love to visit new york again, it's been a while |
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| 13:44:44 | GodEater | me too - I've not been since I was 17! |
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| 13:45:06 | GodEater | heck, the WTC was still there last time I went |
| 13:45:07 | * | petur checked flight prices... 735 euro (Brussels-NY) :( |
| 13:45:20 | GodEater | petur: you flying first class? :) |
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| 13:46:14 | GodEater | when are we looking at doing this ? |
| 13:46:17 | pondlif1 | London-NY should be reasonable.... |
| 13:46:25 | GodEater | March / April / May / Later ? |
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| 13:46:56 | pondlif1 | Time to start that wiki.. |
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| 13:47:16 | GodEater | flights are usually cheaper the further in advance that you book them |
| 13:47:22 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevCon2008 |
| 13:47:44 | Bagder | I suggest(ed) late June |
| 13:47:53 | kugel | well, it's gonna be too expensive for me |
| 13:47:54 | * | GodEater goes on a flight hunt |
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| 13:48:22 | * | petur found flights for 492 euro... bit better ;) |
| 13:48:38 | markun | with enough people we can hire our own jet ;) |
| 13:49:06 | Bagder | yay, just one lap around the world to fill it up! |
| 13:49:11 | pixelma | markun: would that include "pick up" service from different home airports |
| 13:49:19 | markun | pixelma: of course :) |
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| 13:50:18 | Bagder | the mighty rockbox fund comes to use again ;-P |
| 13:50:59 | * | petur is down to 452 euro :D |
| 13:51:26 | kugel | Can't we just do the meet in berlin? at least two devs and me live there :) |
| 13:51:33 | preglow | i can't find anything cheaper than about 1k euro... |
| 13:51:44 | preglow | that's one way |
| 13:51:46 | markun | I wouldn't mind having it in germany if it's cheaper to buy tickets from the USA for example |
| 13:51:59 | petur | Berlin would be fine |
| 13:52:11 | markun | and berlin is a great city |
| 13:52:12 | * | pixelma wouldn't mind Berlin too ;) |
| 13:52:26 | Bagder | we'll need some input from the US guys |
| 13:52:30 | markun | my sister lives there, but I don't think she would like us to have the meeting in her house ;) |
| 13:52:50 | Bagder | there are rumors about aussie guys too, but those are probably just rumors ;-) |
| 13:52:50 | petur | only 66 euro :) |
| 13:53:18 | * | Bagder is off for now |
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| 13:54:34 | preglow | 680 euro |
| 13:55:10 | petur | It would be best to look at who wants to come and optimize towards lower transport costs... |
| 13:55:20 | kugel | I can't find anything below 600€ from berlin to nyc |
| 13:58:19 | kugel | random google hit while searching for a ticket: http://berlin-newyork.hkw.de/index_en.html |
| 13:59:42 | markun | I get some javascript error while searching with united.com from NYC to BER |
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| 14:00:08 | preglow | well, i'm not blowing this amount of money for a weekend involving anything but being carried around on a throne, i'll tell you that :) |
| 14:00:35 | petur | what about some beer? ;) |
| 14:00:39 | * | preglow finds out exactly how insane norwegian airplane ticket prices are |
| 14:00:49 | preglow | petur: ohh, beer pickings are nice in the us indeed... but not enough time to be hung over :P |
| 14:01:34 | pondlif1 | There's always enough time to be hungover |
| 14:01:41 | Zagor | I had the impression the majority of developers are european |
| 14:01:42 | preglow | i tried the whole "seriously hung over while traveling by plane" thing last summer, not the most fun i've ever had |
| 14:01:54 | preglow | Zagor: i think they are, but plenty of us people around here now too |
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| 14:03:17 | pondlif1 | Are flights obviously cheaper in one direction compared to the other? |
| 14:03:41 | Zagor | I would expect most of us going both ways ;) |
| 14:03:41 | pondlif1 | i.e. bought in the US vs bought in Europe? |
| 14:03:51 | pondlif1 | haha |
| 14:03:59 | pondlif1 | The devcon that never ended |
| 14:04:06 | LinusN | or ended in jail |
| 14:04:24 | preglow | nocks about 140 eur off the price here |
| 14:04:28 | preglow | knocks too |
| 14:04:49 | pondlif1 | Seems like about £229 is the cheapest London -> NY I can see. That's only valid until the end of April |
| 14:05:11 | * | amiconn wonders whether the quoted prices so far are one direction or both |
| 14:05:30 | pondlif1 | Return, I hope. And including taxes |
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| 14:05:41 | petur | mine were return, all in |
| 14:05:55 | kugel | call |
| 14:06:06 | * | pondlif1 votes for DevConBelgium |
| 14:06:09 | preglow | mine are one-way, depressingly |
| 14:06:34 | preglow | so no, us devcon would probably be way out of my economic league |
| 14:07:05 | * | amiconn can only find return flights Berlin-NYC for ~820EUR |
| 14:07:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Yikes! To which airport in NYC? |
| 14:07:33 | kugel | Guys, the best argument for not doing the meet in the US is for me, that the EUs wouldn't have to submit all the very personal data to the US |
| 14:08:16 | preglow | not having to bother with the passport business would be sweet too, but not a showstopper |
| 14:08:33 | amiconn | Neward and JFK |
| 14:08:37 | * | pondlif1 just wants to avoid rubber gloves |
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| 14:08:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Try LuGuardia. |
| 14:08:50 | preglow | i hear they have a delicate touch :) |
| 14:08:51 | amiconn | They don't make a significant difference |
| 14:08:58 | pondlif1 | My flight offer just says NYC - that's not an airport is it? |
| 14:09:06 | preglow | nyc has several |
| 14:09:08 | pondlif1 | From: Heathrow (LHR) |
| 14:09:08 | pondlif1 | To: New York, USA (NYC) |
| 14:09:11 | preglow | big city... |
| 14:09:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlif1: We have three major airports. |
| 14:09:12 | kugel | Don't you agree with me? |
| 14:09:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | JFK, LaGuardia, and Newark-Liberty. |
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| 14:09:29 | preglow | cheapest i found had me landing in jfk |
| 14:09:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: How much? |
| 14:10:00 | LinusN | kugel: what "very personal data" would that be? |
| 14:10:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | LinusN: This, perhaps: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/06/AR2008020604763.html?hpid=topnews |
| 14:10:59 | kugel | LinusN: It includes, but is not limited to i.e. finger prints |
| 14:11:42 | kugel | Traveling to the US means actually giving up privacy |
| 14:12:02 | petur | yup, seems they can copy all of your pc/memstick/dap for examining |
| 14:12:28 | hcs | I know I'd be reluctant to come here if I wasn't a citizen... |
| 14:12:45 | LinusN | interesting indeed |
| 14:13:03 | pondlife | Hmm, don't think I'll be adding to a US Tower Of Rockbox... |
| 14:13:36 | pixelma | for me travelling to NYC would be flight cost + passport cost (though how much that really is depends on whether I have use for it at a later time) |
| 14:13:54 | preglow | pixelma: do you know how soon they expire? |
| 14:13:58 | pondlife | passport cost? Do they need the biometrics now? |
| 14:14:10 | petur | pixelma/pondlife: indeed |
| 14:14:15 | amiconn | Would be the first time ever I'd need a passport |
| 14:14:27 | pixelma | pondlife: I think so, at least I know I'd need a new one |
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| 14:14:41 | petur | last time I was in the US I swore it was the last time :/ |
| 14:14:43 | pixelma | preglow: no idea |
| 14:14:53 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is reminded of now needing a passport to even just travel to Canada |
| 14:15:01 | amiconn | And I'm undecided whether I should do that at all, because of all the biometrics and data collection stuff |
| 14:15:33 | kugel | preglow: they exporte in about 75 years |
| 14:15:36 | pondlife | Back on-topic. the H300 remote's lack of a NAVI button is a pain when you hit a yes/no question |
| 14:15:43 | kugel | expire* |
| 14:15:48 | pondlife | Is there an alternative button? |
| 14:16:21 | pondlife | It should say "NAVI/PLAY = Yes, Any Other = No"... |
| 14:16:36 | petur | pondlife: try to operate the virtual keyboard on an H10.... |
| 14:16:42 | preglow | my, they really are going a bit crazy over there, aren't they |
| 14:16:53 | pondlife | Just a bit |
| 14:17:27 | kugel | http://ec.europa.eu/external_relations/us/intro/pnrmem03_53.htm |
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| 14:20:25 | * | petur thinks he will not be admitted to the US anyway because he is a member of the 'fuck Bush' group on last.fm |
| 14:20:38 | kugel | the data contains such sensible stuff like finger prints, religion, creditcard number |
| 14:21:04 | pondlife | petur: Now you're being paranoid |
| 14:21:26 | pondlife | Hmm, religion?? |
| 14:21:48 | * | preglow tries to remember if he has a criminal record |
| 14:22:07 | * | pondlife fills in "Religion: n/a" |
| 14:22:20 | cool_walking_ | Heathen! |
| 14:22:25 | pixelma | suspicious ;) |
| 14:22:29 | pondlife | So, do I get in?? |
| 14:23:02 | kugel | of course. If you are islamic you are suspicious |
| 14:23:04 | Zagor | pondlife: sure, as long as two party officials follow you everywhere you go :) |
| 14:23:17 | Zagor | oh wait, that was another country |
| 14:23:32 | pondlife | Do they still ask "Are you, or have you ever been, a member of the communist party?" |
| 14:23:44 | pondlife | That always made me chuckle, quite quaint. |
| 14:23:46 | * | LambdaCalculus37 would like to see the faces of TSA officials when he puts "SubGenius" as his religion :) |
| 14:23:52 | pondlife | Jedi? |
| 14:23:54 | kugel | I think they ask for party memberships yes, not sure though |
| 14:24:09 | pondlife | Birthday |
| 14:24:46 | Zagor | some of my friends have tried joking with the US customs about these things, and it isn't a good idea |
| 14:25:00 | Zagor | unless you have lots of time to kill |
| 14:25:06 | pondlife | Indeed, and this channel is logged |
| 14:25:09 | hcs | pondlife: they still ask if you're a member of an organization that has sworn to destroy the US |
| 14:25:16 | hcs | (in so many words) |
| 14:25:24 | kugel | amiconn: If you fear your DAP spying on you with data runtime collection, you shouldn't even think about traveling to the usa |
| 14:25:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | hcs: We are NOT the Conspiracy. :) |
| 14:25:49 | pixelma | so they expect someone to answer with "yes"? |
| 14:25:50 | pondlife | "Does your DAP have Gather Runtime Data enabled?" |
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| 14:25:58 | hcs | they asked that on the forms for a US citizen applying for a passport... |
| 14:26:20 | hcs | pixelma: there are people who do, I think |
| 14:26:48 | Zagor | pixelma: I've always assumed it is rather for when they find out you are, you are already guilty of a crime (lying to customs officials) |
| 14:27:27 | hcs | what if I've sworn to destroy the US, but I'm not a member of an organization with that goal? |
| 14:27:42 | pondlife | Depends on how organised you are? |
| 14:27:44 | pixelma | weirdt hings |
| 14:28:02 | Zagor | hcs: that's the line of joking that had my friends spending many hours in very boring rooms |
| 14:28:14 | pondlife | Sound like my work |
| 14:28:25 | hcs | yeah, that's why I avoid it in govt saturated places |
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| 14:29:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Let's put it this way: At least for DevCon 2009, most of this BS with the government should be over with. |
| 14:29:22 | * | preglow doesn't get his hopes up |
| 14:31:13 | Zagor | LambdaCalculus37: I wouldn't be so sure. |
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| 14:32:35 | hcs | http://hcs64.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2816 |
| 14:33:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: We just have to see. |
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| 14:36:10 | pixelma | what about London? Aren't there a few devs from in or around London around here too? |
| 14:36:45 | pondlife | There are |
| 14:37:01 | pondlife | But London isn't cheap once you get there |
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| 14:37:57 | pondlife | You'd be better off in Amsterdam at that rate |
| 14:38:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | Neither is New York City. But it's probably cheaper than London is. |
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| 14:38:30 | * | LambdaCalculus37 would fly to Amsterdam in a heartbeat if he could |
| 14:38:30 | pixelma | as far as I know GBP is quite low compared to the Euro (atm) |
| 14:38:34 | pondlife | Haha, let's do it in Tokyo! |
| 14:38:38 | Zagor | finding a cheap place to have the conference is probably more important than the geographical location |
| 14:39:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: What if, say, we can find a hotel that also offers a confrence area for us to sit in? |
| 14:39:17 | pondlife | Cheap place, cheap flights, good beer, friendly police |
| 14:39:43 | Zagor | LambdaCalculus37: they tend to be rather expensive though. especially if we want it for 2+ days |
| 14:39:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: NYC has all but one: friendly police. |
| 14:39:50 | Zagor | s/if/since |
| 14:40:13 | pondlife | LambdaCalculus37: And cheap flights... |
| 14:40:32 | hcs | LambdaCalculus37: well, that'd be a bit more expensive |
| 14:40:45 | pondlife | Friendly police for after good beer, friendly customs dudes for before |
| 14:40:49 | kugel | I still vote for berlin, depending on where you are it's between moderate and very cheap prizes |
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| 15:11:00 | * | soap still thinks the investment in a travel agent will pay for itself. |
| 15:12:01 | soap | "I want to hold a affordable conference for N people arriving from X, Y, and Z. What would be the most economical location taking into account average air-fare and lodging?" |
| 15:12:16 | soap | They do that sort of thing for a living. |
| 15:12:49 | Zagor | soap: yeah, but how many do that (well) internationally? |
| 15:13:04 | soap | I guessing quite a few, honestly. |
| 15:13:49 | Zagor | a tricky thing is we don't really know who's coming until after we decice on location... |
| 15:15:20 | soap | The trick would be to find one who will provide said service as a service, for a fee, not commission. Somebody amongst all the potential attendees is bound to be only one or two degrees separated from an agent who will crunch the numbers for a fee. |
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| 15:20:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'll look up some travel agents in New York and get some rates. |
| 15:20:49 | GodEater | a friend of a friend of mine works in a Flight Centre round the corner, and could probably at least help with finding cheap flights |
| 15:21:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | What we need is an average number of people who are going to show, so we can also look at lodging. |
| 15:21:20 | Horscht | the mother of a friend of a friend of a cousin of my sisters bff.. etc. |
| 15:21:42 | GodEater | the tricky thing for me is going to be "her in doors". If I announce I'm off to NYC for a weekend, she's going to want to come too... |
| 15:21:56 | * | petur checks LinkedIn |
| 15:23:48 | GodEater | isn't that like Facebook "for professionals" ? |
| 15:23:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: My girlfriend may want to pop in as well if she's up for it. |
| 15:24:13 | GodEater | I suspect if she's going to NYC, my young lady will be more interested in shopping than anything else =/ |
| 15:24:25 | GodEater | probably at Tiffany's |
| 15:24:27 | GodEater | =( |
| 15:24:41 | Horscht | asif you'd have that much money |
| 15:24:46 | * | GodEater examines the large hold in his wallet |
| 15:24:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Or Lord & Taylor's, or any of our overly expensive shops... |
| 15:24:55 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: no - she wants a ring |
| 15:25:24 | * | GodEater curses "Sweet home Alabama" for putting ideas in her head |
| 15:25:47 | petur | if I go I'll be alone - our baby will be about 2 weeks by that time... |
| 15:25:57 | GodEater | ouch |
| 15:26:08 | GodEater | you'd want to leave that soon after he/she is born ? |
| 15:26:19 | petur | ;) |
| 15:26:28 | Horscht | he's just getting a pack of cigarettes |
| 15:26:32 | pondlife | petur: You like sleep? |
| 15:26:48 | pondlife | Is that June or May? |
| 15:26:56 | soap | in the name of human decency, then, it must be held within land-transport distance from petur's house. 2 week old babies on airplanes should be a crime. ;) |
| 15:26:57 | * | XavierGr crosses fingers! :\ |
| 15:26:59 | petur | beginning of june |
| 15:27:07 | * | GodEater wonders about having to submit credit card numbers |
| 15:27:16 | GodEater | hasn't happened to me recently on trips to the US |
| 15:27:22 | GodEater | and I was only there in November |
| 15:27:22 | * | XavierGr hits the flash button! |
| 15:27:27 | pondlife | I doubt that's required |
| 15:27:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Where in the U.S.? |
| 15:27:38 | pondlife | Card numbers are transient |
| 15:27:47 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: er - nowhere of note |
| 15:27:52 | GodEater | near Buffalo :) |
| 15:28:03 | GodEater | I did have to do the fingerprint / photo thing |
| 15:28:06 | GodEater | but I don't really care |
| 15:28:15 | GodEater | I've done it before going to Miami |
| 15:28:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | The fingerprints and photos are the least of it. |
| 15:28:28 | GodEater | I'd rather put up with it than not travel anywhere |
| 15:28:34 | XavierGr | Slasheri: are you there? |
| 15:28:38 | kugel | I read somewhere about the credit card number |
| 15:28:53 | GodEater | kugel: well I have personal experience, and I can tell you that that's rubbish |
| 15:29:01 | kugel | but I'm not entirly sure on that one |
| 15:29:09 | pondlife | A card number doesn't mean much |
| 15:29:26 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: what do you mean that "that's the least of it" ? |
| 15:29:37 | pondlife | I can only imagine it being useful if you were on some kind of bail |
| 15:29:42 | kugel | But that doesn't change anything. It's still a bunch of data, which is very personal, and I can't control their way through the US |
| 15:29:44 | GodEater | the only objection I have about travelling to the US is about how unfriendly the immigration people are |
| 15:29:51 | GodEater | once you're through that though it's fun^2 |
| 15:29:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: That's why. |
| 15:30:11 | GodEater | That's why what ? |
| 15:30:17 | GodEater | you still haven't said anything |
| 15:30:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | The fingerprints and photo are child's play compared to the immigration people's attitudes. |
| 15:30:26 | GodEater | pfagh |
| 15:30:29 | GodEater | it takes 15 minutes |
| 15:30:33 | GodEater | big f'in deal |
| 15:30:44 | GodEater | just don't say anything contraversial |
| 15:31:13 | GodEater | I've also never been asked my religion |
| 15:31:19 | GodEater | or political affiliations |
| 15:31:20 | * | pondlife pictures LambdaCalculus37 headed through immigration dressed like Castro in a bomb belt |
| 15:31:25 | kugel | I'm pretty sure about religion |
| 15:31:36 | GodEater | kugel: I've been to the US a lot - it's never come up |
| 15:31:42 | pondlife | I only recall the communist party question |
| 15:31:54 | GodEater | that's not there anymore |
| 15:31:56 | soap | in 1955? |
| 15:31:57 | pondlife | But that was years ago, I don't think they asked me last time |
| 15:32:06 | pondlife | Nah, about 1990 |
| 15:32:26 | pondlife | After the fall of the Berlin wall though ;) |
| 15:32:36 | GodEater | yeah I was there in '91, I vaguely recall it from back then |
| 15:32:41 | GodEater | but not since when I've been back |
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| 15:34:24 | GodEater | in any case |
| 15:34:35 | GodEater | I'm not refusing to go to a DevCon US side just because of paranoia |
| 15:34:44 | GodEater | I'll go wherever :) |
| 15:34:45 | pondlife | Berlin would be ok, but I've already been there. Would prefer a new place to look round. |
| 15:34:59 | soap | Nova Scotia |
| 15:35:02 | Zagor | pondlife: you're not supposed to be outside the room ;) |
| 15:35:04 | GodEater | Alaska! |
| 15:35:11 | XavierGr | Slasheri: Flashing the svn bootloader with the enable_flashing patch works!! :) |
| 15:35:20 | * | petur didn's see much of Sweden/Stockholm last time ;) |
| 15:35:29 | XavierGr | now I have to compile the iriver_flash.rock and see what happens |
| 15:35:30 | GodEater | I've not been to Berlin, so I'm not particularly fussed |
| 15:35:42 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks of other East Coast cities in the U.S. |
| 15:35:44 | GodEater | but as a general rule, US->EU flights are more pricey than the other way round |
| 15:35:47 | pondlife | I can add a couple of days on for holiday |
| 15:35:58 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: Miami :) |
| 15:36:07 | GodEater | DevConBeach! |
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| 15:36:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: You need to have a car to even get around Miami! |
| 15:36:28 | GodEater | not if you stay around SouthBeach |
| 15:36:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Unless you like walking... :P |
| 15:36:42 | kugel | GodEater: I just read this one: http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fsj/privacy/docs/adequacy/apis-communication/apis_de.pdf. |
| 15:36:44 | obo | Newfoundrain :) |
| 15:37:06 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: I liked Miami - didn't find I needed a car there |
| 15:37:10 | kugel | It reads, that 34 data elements can be collected, but actually in most cases only 10-15 are collected |
| 15:37:12 | soap | Charlotte, or one of the other "lesser-known" international cities is likely cheaper, if I had to guess. |
| 15:37:35 | kugel | It's an official paper |
| 15:37:55 | GodEater | kugel: whatever - if you think you've got something to hide, or simply don't like the idea of the data collection - don't go. |
| 15:37:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: What part of Miami were you in? I lived there on and off and found that to get to certain parts of the city and couty, you NEED a car. |
| 15:38:07 | GodEater | South Beach as a I say |
| 15:38:22 | * | GodEater tries to remember the name of the road one back from the beach |
| 15:38:38 | GodEater | began with a C |
| 15:38:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Collins Avenue. |
| 15:39:13 | * | LambdaCalculus37 has been in South Beach plenty of times |
| 15:39:14 | GodEater | that's the one :) |
| 15:39:18 | GodEater | I loved it there |
| 15:39:25 | GodEater | Mrs. Godeater and I would love to retire there |
| 15:39:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | Saaaaay..... *light bulb!* |
| 15:39:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Who would mind Miami? |
| 15:40:11 | * | GodEater wants to stay at the Delano next time he goes |
| 15:40:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | (Just a thought ;) ) |
| 15:41:20 | GodEater | mind you, it'd be a) murderously hot in late June, and b) right in the middle of hurricane season, and c) full of tourist / holiday maker types |
| 15:41:38 | GodEater | so probably not the best time to go |
| 15:42:10 | pondlife | Late June is no good for me anyway. Wouldn't flights be cheaper if we can get it earlier (May, perhaps)? |
| 15:42:58 | GodEater | Bagder said late June, so I'm just quoting him |
| 15:43:11 | petur | earlier would be cheaper I'd think |
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| 15:43:17 | scorche | bah.... /me reads backscroll |
| 15:43:20 | pondlife | OK, but it might be less hurricane-y earlier too |
| 15:43:30 | GodEater | hurricane season is like 9 months long :) |
| 15:43:34 | pondlife | Hence making Miami more suitable |
| 15:43:59 | GodEater | I think December, Jan and Feb are the only months not in "Hurricane Season" |
| 15:44:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Hurricane season there is June to November. |
| 15:44:26 | pondlife | There were Dec and Jan hurricanes last year IIRC |
| 15:44:27 | GodEater | ah - I'm slightly off then |
| 15:44:31 | pondlife | Most unusual though |
| 15:44:39 | GodEater | wouldn't worry me anyway |
| 15:44:45 | GodEater | just huddle indoors and ride it out :) |
| 15:44:59 | GodEater | if you were in a hotel you'd be fine |
| 15:45:04 | pondlife | Me neither, I have that English-love-of-weather thing. It'll get me killed one day. |
| 15:45:08 | GodEater | hehe me too |
| 15:45:25 | GodEater | "oooh look, a tornado" *goes for a closer look* |
| 15:45:42 | GodEater | "is this a piece of fence post protuding from my stomach?" |
| 15:46:09 | XavierGr | Slasheri: ping |
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| 15:48:24 | GodEater | I even went in the "Hurricane Simulator" at Wonderworks on International Drive in Orlando |
| 15:48:27 | GodEater | it was fab :) |
| 15:48:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox: Now with more hurricane cleaning action. :) |
| 15:49:03 | GodEater | I can find flights to NYC for £229 pondlife |
| 15:49:13 | pondlife | Yep |
| 15:49:19 | GodEater | not too bad |
| 15:49:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Which airport do they land in? |
| 15:49:20 | pondlife | KLM? |
| 15:49:38 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: uno momento |
| 15:50:05 | * | GodEater wonders why all these travel agent sites seem to be so over-engineered |
| 15:50:19 | GodEater | EWR ? |
| 15:50:37 | GodEater | this is BA pondlife |
| 15:50:41 | hcs | ah, Newark, glorious |
| 15:50:46 | GodEater | that's Newarjk then |
| 15:50:54 | pondlife | Newark is an anagram |
| 15:50:56 | GodEater | the "armpit of america" as it was once descrived to be |
| 15:50:59 | Slasheri | XavierGr \o |
| 15:51:04 | Slasheri | I just came home |
| 15:51:13 | XavierGr | Hi, welcome back :) |
| 15:51:16 | Slasheri | :) |
| 15:51:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: New Jersey IS the "armpit of America". :) A very smelly one. |
| 15:51:25 | XavierGr | Slasheri: The svn bootloader with the flash_enable patch works |
| 15:51:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I can fetch people from Newark. |
| 15:51:37 | Slasheri | XavierGr: oh, that sounds great :) |
| 15:51:42 | XavierGr | I now just need to run the iriver_flash.rock but... |
| 15:51:58 | Slasheri | hmm, but? |
| 15:51:59 | XavierGr | Slasheri: where is the bootloader.iriver file that the wiki says (IriverFlashing) |
| 15:52:41 | Slasheri | just a moment |
| 15:52:45 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: Newark is where I flew into last time |
| 15:52:55 | GodEater | I've seen much worse parts of the world in London, trust me |
| 15:52:56 | GodEater | :) |
| 15:53:03 | pondlife | haha |
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| 15:53:29 | Slasheri | XavierGr: it's the compiled rockbox.iriver in the same directory you have the bootloader.bin |
| 15:53:31 | pondlife | Back in 1990 I flew through JFK, that was not a nice airport |
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| 15:53:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: JFK has been fixed up since then. |
| 15:54:12 | Slasheri | XavierGr: but you got the flash version of bootloader already running? then, it should be safe to skip that |
| 15:54:24 | Slasheri | and proceed directly to flashing rombox.iriver |
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| 15:54:57 | XavierGr | Slasheri: I did this: Checked up the newest svn version patched it with the flash_enable patch |
| 15:55:00 | Slasheri | after that you can flash rockbox.iriver too if it works |
| 15:55:16 | XavierGr | Slasheri: But of course I still need to flash it with iriver_flash.rock |
| 15:55:26 | Slasheri | XavierGr: sounds great |
| 15:55:31 | Slasheri | indeed, but don't do that yet |
| 15:55:48 | XavierGr | Slasheri: The problem is that I can't find bootloader.iriver (is it build on normal builds or bootloader builds?) |
| 15:55:51 | Slasheri | test the flash plugin first with rombox.iriver, that shouldn't be able to destroy anything but the OF |
| 15:56:09 | XavierGr | also if I try to run iriver_flash with the rockbox.iriver then it will exit saying incompatible bootloader |
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| 15:56:26 | Slasheri | XavierGr: there is no bootloader.iriver. rockbox.iriver is built during bootloader build and you need to rename that to bootloader.iriver |
| 15:56:29 | XavierGr | Slasheri: there is no rombox.iriver build for my H115 :\ |
| 15:56:43 | XavierGr | Slasheri: ah okay |
| 15:56:53 | Slasheri | XavierGr: you need to disable that check, or take the checksum of the bootloader |
| 15:57:14 | Slasheri | XavierGr: there will be if you enabled all the flash things |
| 15:57:20 | Slasheri | or should be.. |
| 15:58:08 | Slasheri | XavierGr: but don't try the bootloader.iriver flashing yet, just the rombox.iriver (or rockbox.iriver) |
| 15:58:14 | Slasheri | with those bootloader checks disabled |
| 15:58:37 | gevaerts | How does the disk code parse the partition table on an ipod G5.5 correctly ? i.e. how does it find the correct offsets in a partition table that assumes 2048 byte sectors ? |
| 15:58:53 | XavierGr | Slasheri: my patch only disabled the crc check is there another check in this? |
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| 16:00:41 | Slasheri | XavierGr: rombox.iriver should be already on your player if you unzipped the generated install zip |
| 16:01:11 | XavierGr | well that's the problem it isn't there |
| 16:01:22 | XavierGr | probably it didn't get built |
| 16:01:31 | Slasheri | ah, indeed |
| 16:01:51 | XavierGr | where is the code that enables it, it seems I missed that |
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| 16:02:09 | Slasheri | you need to patch tools/configure |
| 16:02:33 | Slasheri | there is in h120 section: flash="$pwd/rombox.iriver" |
| 16:02:38 | Slasheri | put that to the h100 section too |
| 16:03:21 | XavierGr | yeah just saw that thanks |
| 16:03:35 | Slasheri | XavierGr: and for the flashing plugins, remove those detect_valid_bootloader -calls |
| 16:04:29 | Slasheri | then you should be able to go for it |
| 16:04:44 | XavierGr | ok will try in a moment |
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| 16:06:03 | XavierGr | heh the patch disabled only one call for it |
| 16:06:07 | Slasheri | :) |
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| 16:09:16 | XavierGr | Slasheri: so you think that if flashing rombox.iriver succeeds it will be safe to try rockbox.iriver? |
| 16:09:54 | Slasheri | yep, actually it's safe to try both of them. but a little better in that order |
| 16:10:37 | Slasheri | flashing either of those isn't fatal if it fails |
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| 16:12:13 | Slasheri | and after that you could flashing the bootloader.iriver too (just make sure to rename the correct rockbox.iriver, from the bootloader folder!) |
| 16:12:20 | Slasheri | +try |
| 16:14:29 | XavierGr | Slasheri: Question: Ok rombox.iriver flashes the firmware to rom, rockbox.iriver flashes the firmware to flash what's the bootloader.iriver for? |
| 16:15:27 | Slasheri | XavierGr: rombox.iriver flashes ROM image of the firmware to flash (runs from ROM). rockbox.iriver flashes RAM image of the rockbox to ROM (runs from RAM). And bootloader.iriver is the bootloader |
| 16:16:29 | XavierGr | Slasheri: ah so flashing rombox.iriver or rockbox.iriver won't enable the your flash bootloader. |
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| 16:16:41 | Slasheri | XavierGr: no |
| 16:17:03 | Slasheri | XavierGr: but correct bootloader (as you have it) detects those images and loads rockbox from flash |
| 16:17:09 | Slasheri | -> fast boot time |
| 16:17:54 | XavierGr | damn it I didn't reconfigure (have to do it one more time) |
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| 16:24:16 | * | XavierGr twitches his fingers... |
| 16:25:06 | XavierGr | bah now I got a checksum mismatch, obviously I need to remove more code from the plugin |
| 16:26:26 | XavierGr | Slasheri: should I comment "Verify the checksum"? |
| 16:27:33 | Slasheri | XavierGr: for rockbox/rombox, no |
| 16:27:38 | Slasheri | let that be there |
| 16:27:49 | Slasheri | the .iriver file contains a very simple checksum that can be verified |
| 16:28:35 | XavierGr | Slasheri: well I tried to open rombox.iriver with iriver_flash.rock and it said checksum mismatch |
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| 16:29:02 | amiconn | gevaerts: The code just guesses. It first assumes 512-byte logical sector size. If it can't mount a partition that way, it retries assuming 1024-byte logical sectors, and finally 2048-byte logical sectors |
| 16:29:14 | Slasheri | XavierGr: hmm, then there is something wrong. What about the rockbox.iriver file? |
| 16:29:22 | XavierGr | let me try that too |
| 16:29:59 | XavierGr | same :( |
| 16:30:30 | Slasheri | hmm, weird |
| 16:30:42 | Slasheri | but don't uncomment that |
| 16:30:52 | Slasheri | *comment i meant |
| 16:30:57 | XavierGr | okay |
| 16:31:25 | Slasheri | could you dcc the rockbox.iriver file to me? |
| 16:31:41 | XavierGr | sure |
| 16:31:47 | Slasheri | great |
| 16:31:49 | Slasheri | i will check it |
| 16:31:58 | Slasheri | and try it on my player |
| 16:32:38 | amiconn | Slasheri: iriver_flash uses the audio buffer to flash?? |
| 16:32:50 | XavierGr | amiconn: I think yes |
| 16:33:04 | amiconn | Well, rockbox_flash on archos uses the plugin buffer, and reads & flashes in chunks |
| 16:33:10 | XavierGr | sum += audiobuf[i]; |
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| 16:34:14 | gevaerts | amiconn: maybe the best way for now is asking the fat driver about it, with some sane defaukt (like 512) if the fat driver doesn't give a meaningful answer |
| 16:34:55 | amiconn | The fat driver can't know the size until a partition is mounted |
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| 16:35:37 | gevaerts | amiconn: obviously. I was thinking more about how the usb driver should find out. |
| 16:35:42 | Slasheri | amiconn: yep, audio buffer is used |
| 16:35:59 | XavierGr | Slasheri: maybe it has to do with commented out detect_valid_bootloader? |
| 16:35:59 | Slasheri | amiconn: we want to read the file in once, before starting to flash |
| 16:36:11 | Slasheri | XavierGr: i will investigate, just a moment |
| 16:36:26 | amiconn | gevaerts: Ah. Check firmware/common/disk.c: disk_mount() for the details |
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| 16:36:58 | amiconn | Slasheri: Have a look at what rockbox_flash does. It also checks the whole file before starting to flash |
| 16:37:08 | Slasheri | amiconn: we check that also |
| 16:37:21 | amiconn | But it doesn't need to stop playback in order to do so, as it only uses the plugin buffer |
| 16:37:27 | Slasheri | and why take any risks if we have the audio buffer |
| 16:37:47 | Slasheri | well, we *definately* want to stop playback before flashing anything.. |
| 16:38:02 | amiconn | It reads & flashes in 4KB chunks iirc, while the whole image to flash may be up to 228KB (232KB on Player) |
| 16:38:09 | Slasheri | and make sure no other thread gets cpu time while flashing is in progress |
| 16:38:46 | amiconn | (and in firmware_flash, it even flashes the whole 256KB flash chip that way) |
| 16:38:58 | Slasheri | that sounds extremely risky |
| 16:39:10 | Slasheri | any disk failure could brick the player, or software malfunction |
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| 16:40:19 | amiconn | No bricking happened so far that could be attributed to the way of operation |
| 16:40:21 | asdrubal | I just ordered a c240 |
| 16:40:26 | asdrubal | but I realized that V2 isn't supported? |
| 16:40:33 | asdrubal | is that still the case, and should I cancel my order? |
| 16:40:44 | amiconn | I know about one single brick, but this was due to the flash chip itself failing |
| 16:40:47 | asdrubal | I ordered from newegg |
| 16:40:51 | Slasheri | well, but anyway i don't want to take that kind of unnecessary risks |
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| 16:42:39 | asdrubal | I COuld someone tell me if: "Part Number SDMX7-1024-A18" is version 1 or 2? |
| 16:42:41 | Slasheri | that just sounds like a flawed design for a flashing plugin if it utilises filesystem, rockbox kernel etc. during critical parts of operation |
| 16:43:19 | Slasheri | while iriver_flash touches the bootloader, no information is written to disk during that time |
| 16:43:28 | Slasheri | disk=display |
| 16:44:15 | XavierGr | Slasheri: so any ideas why the checksum fails? Should I try bootloader.iriver too? |
| 16:44:24 | Slasheri | XavierGr: i am still checking |
| 16:44:30 | Slasheri | no, you shouldn't |
| 16:44:45 | XavierGr | ok, I won't |
| 16:46:44 | asdrubal | Help please |
| 16:46:56 | asdrubal | Are All new Sansa C2xx version 2 ? |
| 16:47:24 | amiconn | Slasheri: Well, it checks the whole file before it starts flashing. That design is from before plugins got access to the main buffer btw, but in fact I don't think it's that big a risk |
| 16:47:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | asdrubal: Not EVERY single one. You may get a very lucky break and get a v1. But that's a very rare chance now. |
| 16:47:52 | obo | asdrubal: I don't think anyone knows yet which Part numbers are v1 or v2 |
| 16:48:04 | amiconn | All older PC mainboard flash tools which run in dos mode from floppy load & flash in chunks - from a floppy disk, which is much less reliable than a hard disk |
| 16:48:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | asdrubal: Are you buying online or in a store? |
| 16:48:16 | asdrubal | WTF... So all new Sansas won't work? |
| 16:48:17 | Slasheri | amiconn: for a software codec device that would be a huge risk, if something corrupts the memory in background |
| 16:48:20 | asdrubal | online Lambda |
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| 16:48:29 | asdrubal | LambdaCalculus37, SHould I go to bestbuy and get one? |
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| 16:48:40 | Slasheri | amiconn: and it would be very unnecessary to play audio during flashing anyway |
| 16:48:54 | asdrubal | CRAP... So basicly rockbox doesn't support any sansa anymore |
| 16:48:56 | asdrubal | that sucks |
| 16:49:00 | amiconn | I didn't say it's necessary.... it's just... neat :) |
| 16:49:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | asdrubal: Do you have a Radio Shack near you instead? They tend to have v1's left over. |
| 16:49:08 | asdrubal | LambdaCalculus37, yeah |
| 16:49:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | If the package says anything about Audible support, put it back on the shelf. |
| 16:49:25 | amiconn | Memory corruption can happen on any system |
| 16:49:27 | asdrubal | LambdaCalculus37, I gotta cancel my damn order first :( I hope they can do it |
| 16:49:42 | Slasheri | amiconn: it hardly can happen if we block all other threads |
| 16:49:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | asdrubal: You can cancel it as long as it's not shipped. |
| 16:50:06 | asdrubal | LambdaCalculus37, will rockbox ever support these v2 monsters? |
| 16:50:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | But if you go to a store and buy one, look to see if the package mentions Audible support. That's a sure sign it's a v2. |
| 16:50:21 | asdrubal | LambdaCalculus37, K, thanks |
| 16:50:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | asdrubal: We have no idea when anything will ever be supported. |
| 16:50:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | We're not planners, we just "do". |
| 16:50:48 | amiconn | Slasheri: I meant it could theoretically happen on hwcodec as well. But so far it didn't.... |
| 16:51:08 | Slasheri | amiconn: yep, indeed |
| 16:51:33 | Slasheri | amiconn: but i understand the reason why it was implemented that way if we couldn't access audio buffer at that point |
| 16:51:52 | asdrubal | LambdaCalculus37, do you know if the V1s support SDHC cards? |
| 16:51:55 | amiconn | Well, maybe we should unify the flashing plugins somewhat |
| 16:52:28 | amiconn | They could use the audio buffer. I'd want some kind of progress display though |
| 16:52:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | asdrubal: They do, but the Sansa firmware itself doesn't. |
| 16:52:36 | Slasheri | amiconn: maybe, but i also like the idea about separate, well tested plugins for each target |
| 16:52:58 | asdrubal | LambdaCalculus37, rockbox firmware supports the 8GB microsds? |
| 16:53:03 | asdrubal | sweet |
| 16:53:04 | Slasheri | in iriver plugin, there is a progress display during non-critical parts |
| 16:53:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | asdrubal: In theory, we can support up to 32GB microSDHC cards... when they come out, of course. |
| 16:53:37 | asdrubal | LambdaCalculus37, awesome. you guys rock |
| 16:53:54 | Slasheri | XavierGr: i got the checksum error too |
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| 16:55:06 | Slasheri | XavierGr: still investigating, maybe the checksum function is little different for h100 |
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| 17:00:05 | * | petur spots http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/02/08/review_baylis_eco_media_player_ep_mx71/ - must be the perfect solution for recording on festivals :) |
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| 17:02:16 | Slasheri | XavierGr: ah, found it. the model number makes checksum different |
| 17:02:35 | Slasheri | it is easy to fix.. just a moment |
| 17:03:46 | gevaerts | GodEater: I uploaded a new patch that should now do 2048-byte sector detection properly |
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| 17:04:06 | Slasheri | XavierGr: good thing that you found it. after /* Verify the checksum */ change the sum = 0 to sum = MODEL_NUMBER; |
| 17:04:11 | Slasheri | then try again |
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| 17:06:13 | amiconn | petur: An M5L would also be a very good solution... |
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| 17:06:28 | Slasheri | XavierGr: did you got the message? |
| 17:06:36 | amiconn | Maybe our runtime tests should include recording tests as well... |
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| 17:08:12 | Slasheri | XavierGr: did you got the message? |
| 17:08:25 | XavierGr | damn ISP I've been disconnecting repeteadly for some hours now. Hooray for the logbot |
| 17:08:31 | XavierGr | Slasheri: yes thanks to logbot |
| 17:08:35 | Slasheri | good :) |
| 17:09:05 | XavierGr | Shit! Verify failed! :( |
| 17:09:23 | Slasheri | hmm |
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| 17:09:33 | XavierGr | but at least it moved from the checksum mismatch |
| 17:09:45 | Slasheri | oh, so it did the flashing |
| 17:09:48 | XavierGr | should I disable auto shut down? |
| 17:09:58 | Slasheri | you flashed rombox.iriver? |
| 17:10:02 | XavierGr | well it started flashing and then said verify failed |
| 17:10:03 | XavierGr | yes |
| 17:10:12 | Slasheri | ok, that's not fatal but still don't boot yet |
| 17:10:16 | Slasheri | i will investigate |
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| 17:10:44 | XavierGr | ok thanks |
| 17:10:47 | Slasheri | XavierGr: the flashing went ok, there was other sum = 0 |
| 17:10:52 | Slasheri | you may boot and try |
| 17:10:56 | XavierGr | so now I don't have the OF right? |
| 17:11:00 | Slasheri | nope .) |
| 17:11:03 | Slasheri | good luck :) |
| 17:11:28 | XavierGr | ah yes there are quite some |
| 17:11:33 | XavierGr | should I change them? |
| 17:11:41 | XavierGr | so sum = MODEL_NUMBER; |
| 17:11:48 | XavierGr | s/so/to |
| 17:11:50 | Slasheri | yep, all three of them |
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| 17:12:04 | XavierGr | yeah silly me I should have checked for that too |
| 17:12:08 | Slasheri | but try booting now if it works |
| 17:12:12 | Slasheri | :) |
| 17:12:54 | XavierGr | ok lets see... |
| 17:13:16 | XavierGr | it started rockbox :) |
| 17:13:26 | Slasheri | nice, from flash? :) |
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| 17:13:55 | XavierGr | I am not sure, without bootloader.iriver it will autoload from flash now that I flashed rombox.iriver? |
| 17:14:30 | XavierGr | should I proceed with rockbox.iriver and then bootloader.iriver? |
| 17:14:31 | Slasheri | nope, you have already the bootloader.iriver flashed when you did compile the own bootloader. Try rebooting again with hold switch on |
| 17:14:39 | XavierGr | ah |
| 17:14:41 | XavierGr | okay |
| 17:14:44 | Slasheri | proceed with rockbox.iriver but not bootloader.iriver yet |
| 17:15:18 | XavierGr | hmm I got the normal "Hold is on, shutting down dialog" |
| 17:15:35 | XavierGr | I wonder what will happen if I try to start the OF |
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| 17:16:09 | Slasheri | hmm, then it sounds like you don't have the correct bootloader |
| 17:16:37 | XavierGr | weird... it just shows the OF pic and then hangs there |
| 17:16:48 | Slasheri | yep, because half of the OF has been erased |
| 17:16:56 | XavierGr | ah half of the OF |
| 17:17:00 | Slasheri | :) |
| 17:17:03 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 17:17:50 | XavierGr | so how come and I have the wrong bootloader version? |
| 17:18:05 | asdrubal | LambdaCalculus37, Could you tell me if you think this is V1 or V2? |
| 17:18:07 | asdrubal | http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16855125020 |
| 17:18:07 | Slasheri | are you sure you installed the svn version of the bootloader? |
| 17:18:16 | Slasheri | and a recent one |
| 17:18:52 | Slasheri | XavierGr: you could try the bootloader.iriver, that should flash the correct one. but don't try yet as i am little worried |
| 17:19:03 | XavierGr | yes because I updated with svn update then applied the patch for the configuration file of the H100 and then configured with the B option |
| 17:19:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | asdrubal: Honestly, I can't tell you that. |
| 17:19:24 | asdrubal | it doesn't say "Audible" support.. |
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| 17:19:27 | XavierGr | Slasheri: is it safe to try the rockbox.iriver now? |
| 17:19:27 | asdrubal | what is Audible anyway |
| 17:19:45 | Slasheri | and then you decrypted the firmware, connected it with the OF and encrypted back on? |
| 17:19:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audible.com |
| 17:19:52 | Slasheri | and flashed with iriver flashing utility? |
| 17:19:55 | obo | LambdaCalculus37: FYI, my v1 c250 mentioned audible support... |
| 17:20:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | obo: My c240 didn't. |
| 17:20:14 | XavierGr | Slasheri: yup just as IriverBoot says |
| 17:20:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Mine's a v1. |
| 17:20:31 | Slasheri | XavierGr: weird, then you should have the correct one.. |
| 17:20:39 | XavierGr | Slasheri: Are you sure that I don't need the bootloader.iriver for the bootloader menu? |
| 17:20:39 | Slasheri | XavierGr: just a moment |
| 17:20:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | asdrubal: Honestly, you are best off going to a store and seeing the package yourself. |
| 17:20:57 | Slasheri | nope *if* you have the correct one flashed |
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| 17:21:25 | XavierGr | because if I recall correctly I flashed my H140 with your released bootloader then with bootloader.iriver and then rockbox.iriver |
| 17:21:27 | Slasheri | XavierGr: did you enable HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS define? |
| 17:21:37 | XavierGr | but it ahs been some time I might be wrong |
| 17:21:42 | Slasheri | yep, that would be the normal way to do it |
| 17:22:16 | XavierGr | Slasheri: I will upload my current patch on the tracker |
| 17:22:21 | Slasheri | ok, good |
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| 17:23:00 | Slasheri | |miipekk@pic:/export/home/miipekk/cvs/rockbox$ grep -r HAVE_EEPROM_ firmware/export/ | grep -v svn |
| 17:23:03 | Slasheri | |firmware/export/config-h120.h:#define HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS |
| 17:23:07 | Slasheri | you need to have that in config-h100.h too |
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| 17:23:42 | XavierGr | damn |
| 17:23:51 | XavierGr | yeah I got only HAVE_EEPROM |
| 17:24:02 | Slasheri | hehe, HAVE_EEPROM does nothing :) |
| 17:24:15 | Slasheri | oh, it just something.. |
| 17:24:20 | Slasheri | well, you need to have both |
| 17:24:37 | Slasheri | then compile the bootloader and rockbox again |
| 17:24:50 | Slasheri | and follow h140 flashing instructions, now you don't have any other options |
| 17:25:33 | XavierGr | Slasheri: I now why I missed that, it isn't commented out on the H100 config file |
| 17:25:36 | asdrubal | LambdaCalculus37, yeah I know... thanks |
| 17:25:41 | XavierGr | s/now/know |
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| 17:26:41 | XavierGr | so Slasheri: can't I bring back the OF with iriver_flash? |
| 17:26:50 | XavierGr | I remember that it was possible |
| 17:27:40 | Slasheri | XavierGr: yes, you can |
| 17:27:41 | XavierGr | or do you think that I should skip that part and flash bootloader.iriver without restoring the OF? |
| 17:27:48 | Slasheri | XavierGr: did you take the romdump of it? |
| 17:27:57 | XavierGr | nope forgot it :( |
| 17:27:57 | Slasheri | just skip it |
| 17:28:01 | XavierGr | ok then |
| 17:28:12 | Slasheri | flash bootloader.iriver, rombox.iriver and rockbox.iriver in one go and then reboot |
| 17:30:36 | pondlife | XavierGr: Forgive me arriving very late, but what target did you flash? |
| 17:30:59 | Slasheri | pondlife: h100/h115 |
| 17:31:10 | XavierGr | hopefully it will work, and if it doesn't at least I will have grapsed how the all this flashing stuff for H100 works :P |
| 17:31:21 | pondlife | Ah, I though you might have meant H300 ... |
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| 17:31:28 | Slasheri | lets hope, it should work' |
| 17:31:51 | Slasheri | pondlife: hehe, H300 would be entirely different beast |
| 17:32:04 | pondlife | Indeed. I thought I'd missed some big news |
| 17:32:22 | Slasheri | and i can't try that without the unit |
| 17:32:44 | Slasheri | pondlife: but it's good news to fully support flashing of H100 series too |
| 17:33:05 | pondlife | I think we need to sort out the H300 SVN bootloader some more yet |
| 17:33:09 | XavierGr | bootloader.iriver said: Success |
| 17:33:14 | Slasheri | XavierGr: great! |
| 17:33:21 | Slasheri | now flash the those other files too |
| 17:33:27 | Slasheri | and then reboot |
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| 17:34:41 | XavierGr | all 3 succeeded :) |
| 17:34:47 | XavierGr | now lets test the booting procedure |
| 17:34:55 | Slasheri | hehe, sounds great :) |
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| 17:35:29 | XavierGr | It'a ALIVE!!! |
| 17:35:35 | Slasheri | \o/ |
| 17:35:46 | XavierGr | hehe thanks Slasheri, it works perfectly |
| 17:36:10 | XavierGr | And I have the honour to be the first H100 user with a rockbox flashed unit :D |
| 17:36:17 | Slasheri | great, well.. now it would be good time to make a new release of H100 bootloaders and support both model :) |
| 17:36:20 | XavierGr | uploading my diff asap |
| 17:36:22 | Slasheri | indeed :) |
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| 17:39:28 | XavierGr | ah forgot about it, Slasheri: we need to enable the crc function for the H100 too |
| 17:39:34 | XavierGr | how do I have to do it? |
| 17:39:49 | Slasheri | XavierGr: if you want, i can do that |
| 17:40:16 | Slasheri | and provide a crc-checksummed bootloader for you to test :) |
| 17:40:39 | XavierGr | of course if you can and you are not bored please do it, as I don't have any clue how to enable it :P |
| 17:41:09 | Slasheri | XavierGr: i would like to release a new 7-pre4 version of both bootloaders at the same time :) |
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| 17:41:59 | XavierGr | Slasheri: yeah that would be cool |
| 17:44:13 | Slasheri | XavierGr: and before the release, i will do some extensive tests on all failsafe patterns with my h140 to see svn hasn't broken anything |
| 17:44:16 | XavierGr | well I am a happy camper, I've been waiting this moment for quite a while :) |
| 17:44:27 | Slasheri | :) |
| 17:45:11 | XavierGr | Slasheri: if only you had an H300 too :P |
| 17:45:19 | Slasheri | :D |
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| 17:47:06 | Slasheri | XavierGr: but would you like to upload the patch as-is, i would be happy to make all adjustments :) |
| 17:48:01 | BigBambi | Slasheri: I've just been reading the logs - did you see my note on the wiki page about bootloader 7 pre3 - I can't turn on my H140 with the remote using it |
| 17:48:16 | BigBambi | So that needs to be looked at before a new release :) |
| 17:48:33 | Slasheri | BigBambi: hmm, didn't see that. does anything happen when you turn on power with remote? |
| 17:48:39 | Slasheri | i would like to fix that :) |
| 17:49:14 | BigBambi | Cool :) |
| 17:49:16 | XavierGr | BigBambi: what type of remote? |
| 17:49:36 | XavierGr | I just tested my flashed H140 and it turns on with the normal H100 lcd remote |
| 17:49:48 | BigBambi | I can't actually remember what happened (I think it thought hold was on) - I'm just looking for my note, if not I can try again tonight |
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| 17:50:21 | Slasheri | BigBambi: probably it has something to do with hold |
| 17:50:37 | BigBambi | Slasheri: See my note here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot#H1xx_Bootloader_v6 |
| 17:50:38 | Slasheri | my remote works fine too :/ |
| 17:51:14 | BigBambi | I remember talking to LinusN at the time and he thought something like (I am guessing) that it checked the buttons too quickly and a very short wait would fix it |
| 17:51:39 | Slasheri | BigBambi: indeed. I will add a slight delay and ask you to try again :) |
| 17:52:14 | BigBambi | Happy too (I want to flash my H140 but without being able to turn it on with the remote I can't) |
| 17:53:27 | BigBambi | Sorry, actually bottom line in this table: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot#TODO_list_for_the_upcoming_bootl but I'm sure you already found it |
| 17:53:40 | Slasheri | yep, i found it :) |
| 17:53:55 | BigBambi | :) |
| 17:54:00 | BigBambi | Well done! /° |
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| 17:54:16 | BigBambi | :) even - damn AZERTY keyboard! |
| 17:54:33 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 17:54:39 | RodGo | hi all, i would like to install mario world and pacman on my ipod 30gb with rockbox |
| 17:54:43 | RodGo | from where i can download them? |
| 17:55:11 | RodGo | any ideas? |
| 17:55:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | RodGo: From the original arcade board and Mario game cartridge. |
| 17:55:31 | RodGo | i dont know sorry |
| 17:55:36 | BigBambi | RodGo: do NOT ask for help violating copyright here |
| 17:55:40 | Horscht | you're not allowed asking for roms |
| 17:56:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | If you want them, dump them yourself. We're not going to violate copyright here. |
| 17:56:12 | XavierGr | Slasheri: btw if you didn't check, this is the magic patch that worked for me: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8178 |
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| 17:56:58 | Slasheri | XavierGr: thanks |
| 17:57:32 | RodGo | should i just simply download roms? |
| 17:57:35 | BigBambi | Right, sod work I'm going home - Slasheri let me know if you would like me to test a new version |
| 17:57:45 | BigBambi | RodGo: You should NOT ask here |
| 17:58:02 | Slasheri | BigBambi: i will, probably i have tomorrow something waiting for you :) |
| 17:58:08 | BigBambi | cool :) |
| 17:58:11 | RodGo | am not saying to do copyright infringment, just how to install a game, i can be a freeware right? |
| 17:58:18 | BigBambi | In that case yes |
| 17:58:31 | BigBambi | Just copy the ROM onto the player and 'play' it like a music file |
| 17:58:45 | BigBambi | This is in the manual |
| 17:58:58 | Horscht | RodGo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox |
| 17:59:09 | RodGo | ty vm man |
| 17:59:11 | RodGo | :) |
| 17:59:23 | BigBambi | RodGo: Also please use proper words |
| 17:59:30 | BigBambi | This is in the IRC guidelines |
| 17:59:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | RodGo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockboy |
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| 18:00:20 | BigBambi | RodGo: We have many blind people who rely on screen readers and many people without English as a first language to whom "ty vm man" is meaningless |
| 18:00:43 | RodGo | sorry thank you very much to all |
| 18:00:47 | RodGo | :) rockbox is soo cool |
| 18:00:50 | BigBambi | No probs, you are welcome |
| 18:00:57 | BigBambi | And, yes it is :) |
| 18:00:59 | RodGo | can i play vids with sound on rockboix? |
| 18:01:02 | BigBambi | Yes |
| 18:01:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | RodGo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 18:01:26 | BigBambi | Check the manual and http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer |
| 18:01:31 | BigBambi | ha, beatne |
| 18:01:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | :) |
| 18:01:39 | BigBambi | *beaten |
| 18:01:49 | * | LambdaCalculus37 for the win! |
| 18:01:52 | star_jasmine | hi everyone... thanks to people on here, I can now make the voices with cygwin and the quality settings are adjusted. I just have one more question. how can I add sapi 4 to the options to choose from? |
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| 18:02:01 | BigBambi | RobGo: Please read the manual though, people spent a long time writing it and it contains all this |
| 18:02:19 | Slasheri | bootloader 7-pre4 should fix the audio thump for some users and remote bootup |
| 18:02:49 | pixelma | if someone checks the manual s/he should find the link anyways |
| 18:03:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Yes, that's true. |
| 18:03:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | Especially the online version. |
| 18:03:25 | BigBambi | Slasheri: cool, is it up somewhere? |
| 18:03:44 | RodGo | and how can i convert a youtube flv video to play it on my ipod? |
| 18:03:55 | BigBambi | RodGo: Google |
| 18:03:59 | Slasheri | BigBambi: just doing it :) |
| 18:04:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | RodGo: Look up at the link BigBambi and I gave you. |
| 18:04:11 | RodGo | yes of course, but rocbox can read any avi or mpg |
| 18:04:13 | RodGo | ? |
| 18:04:13 | BigBambi | RodGo: The wiki page tells you what format it needs |
| 18:04:15 | Slasheri | BigBambi: that will be the next release |
| 18:04:23 | BigBambi | RodGo: No, read the link |
| 18:04:34 | BigBambi | MPEG 1/2 only |
| 18:04:46 | star_jasmine | there's software for that for youtube conversion |
| 18:04:58 | BigBambi | Slasheri: Cool. I am going home now, but I'll check then |
| 18:05:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | star_jasmine: Yes, we have it all listed on the Mpegplayer wiki page. |
| 18:05:20 | star_jasmine | oh ok. good, because I didn't know what the url was. I jus have it |
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| 18:06:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | star_jasmine: If ever you need any information, our wiki will have what you're looking for. :) |
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| 18:06:35 | tessarakt | Hi! |
| 18:06:52 | star_jasmine | thanks. I appreciate the thoroughness of the information you have listed there |
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| 18:07:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Gotta plan ahead, ya know. :) |
| 18:07:54 | asdrubal | it would be kind of hard to play video games on a sansa |
| 18:08:24 | star_jasmine | that would be fun. |
| 18:08:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | asdrubal: Rockbox is meant for audio playback, first and foremost. |
| 18:09:55 | star_jasmine | just a note... the key click works well for the ipods especially. I just discovered it was there yesterday when installing a new build. |
| 18:10:14 | Horscht | keyclick? |
| 18:10:43 | Horscht | onoez |
| 18:10:45 | star_jasmine | yeah its under system in settings, I think |
| 18:10:58 | Horscht | so it's a setting. phew |
| 18:11:25 | star_jasmine | with different volumes, and with the option to repeat or not. very nice for the wheel |
| 18:11:28 | rasher | gevaerts: You may want to modify the bootloaders as well to no longer boot OF on USB (probably just as a TODO at this point, but it should be done at some point) |
| 18:11:30 | star_jasmine | yes |
| 18:12:19 | rasher | gevaerts: testing your latest patch now |
| 18:12:37 | RodGo | one more question, can i install ZSNES roms to my rockbox ipod? |
| 18:13:03 | gevaerts | rasher: once it works... Actually right now the bootloader doesn't even build for sansa. |
| 18:13:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | RodGo: No. |
| 18:13:40 | RodGo | then what kind of roms? |
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| 18:14:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | RodGo: Just Game Boy, ZX Spectrum, Chip8, and the Pac-Man ROMs. |
| 18:14:46 | gevaerts | Does anyone here know about building binaries for upload with e200rpatcher ? I'm trying to build a stripped down version of the c200 bootloader to run from manufacturer mode, and then change that to fix my flash corruption problem. |
| 18:15:01 | star_jasmine | is there a patch for the ipod especially that will bypass the rockbox media player option once a usb cable is inserted? I can make the ipod connect by booting into the original firmware, but wondered if there was a way to just have it detect automatically |
| 18:16:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | star_jasmine: We're working on a full USB stack for supported players based on PortalPlayer (iPod, H10, Sansa), so once it's fully complete then you can have a native USB connection from within Rockbox. |
| 18:16:11 | star_jasmine | oh ok |
| 18:16:13 | star_jasmine | very nice |
| 18:16:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | star_jasmine: It's a slow process, though. But you'll see when it's ready on the front page of the site. |
| 18:17:36 | rasher | Weird.. the bootloader seems unable to find rockbox.mi4 |
| 18:18:13 | gevaerts | rasher: Was that before or after testing usb write support ? |
| 18:18:25 | rasher | Yet the filesystem seems intact. Guess it's format time anyway - just in case |
| 18:18:55 | star_jasmine | ok |
| 18:18:59 | rasher | gevaerts: I'm not quite sure what I've done and what I haven't done |
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| 18:19:09 | rasher | I'll format and see if that doesn't fix it - then I'll start worrying |
| 18:27:07 | rasher | gevaerts: okay, it's booting now |
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| 18:27:25 | rasher | I'm guessing the filesystem just were corrupted after all |
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| 18:29:06 | gevaerts | rasher: probably. I wish mine was "just corrupted" |
| 18:30:42 | rasher | gevaerts: The result of plugging in my e200 with a 2gb card, and then opening nautilus for each mountpoint: http://pastebin.ca/896444 |
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| 18:33:00 | gevaerts | rasher: any idea what nautilus was doing ? |
| 18:33:26 | rasher | gevaerts: just opening the root of each mountpoint (listing all top-level elements, and the number of elements of each dir) |
| 18:33:55 | rasher | I got corruption on the sd card when trying to write a folder of images |
| 18:34:37 | gevaerts | so write support is still bad |
| 18:34:52 | rasher | Hm, wait |
| 18:35:07 | rasher | Ah, yes it is |
| 18:35:20 | rasher | But not *as* bad, it seems |
| 18:36:03 | rasher | Browsing using Rockbox showed a different result than mounting the card through a cardreader it seems |
| 18:37:21 | gevaerts | rasher: what kind of different ? |
| 18:37:49 | rasher | The filenames weren't messy in the same way, but that may just be due to differnt handling of a corrupt FAT perhaps? |
| 18:38:09 | rasher | Also, all the files I copied are only 32kb it seems |
| 18:38:22 | rasher | Actually less |
| 18:38:38 | rasher | A few hundred bytes each |
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| 18:39:10 | gevaerts | Are these few hundred bytes correct ? |
| 18:39:17 | rasher | I'll check |
| 18:41:10 | rasher | Err.. the source I copied from seems to be corrupted as well |
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| 18:41:24 | rasher | I'll do a more controlled test |
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| 18:44:45 | rasher | gevaerts: Also my sansa is once again unable to boot Rockbox |
| 18:45:03 | rasher | I can still start recovery mode though |
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| 18:46:19 | gevaerts | rasher: that's after nautilus opened the internal flash ? Can you try not mounting that one at all on the next few tests ? |
| 18:46:28 | rasher | And this time I definitely had not tried to write anywhere but the SD card. I can't speak for Linux/Nautilus though |
| 18:46:32 | rasher | Yeah |
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| 18:59:15 | * | rasher suddenly gets the USB screen |
| 18:59:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | \o/ |
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| 19:00:02 | JdGordon|w | pondlife: you round? |
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| 19:00:09 | pondlife | Yep |
| 19:00:18 | JdGordon|w | did you try that tagcache patch? |
| 19:00:37 | pondlife | I don't think so. FS#? |
| 19:00:50 | JdGordon|w | http://pastebin.ca/896033 |
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| 19:01:21 | pondlife | Ah, no. I didn't see it. This is to stop the unwanterd spinups, right? |
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| 19:01:25 | JdGordon|w | yeah |
| 19:01:34 | JdGordon|w | can you try it out and commit it if it works? |
| 19:01:44 | JdGordon|w | only flash targets here so no real way to test it |
| 19:01:55 | pondlife | Please pop it on Flyspray and I'll try and find time |
| 19:02:01 | gevaerts | rasher: I guess you didn't do anything different ? |
| 19:02:01 | JdGordon|w | ok |
| 19:02:01 | Slasheri | JdGordon|w: not yet, just making a new bootloader release :) |
| 19:02:20 | pondlife | Defintely a fix needed, I'll let you know! |
| 19:02:21 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 19:02:48 | * | JdGordon|w back in 15 |
| 19:02:54 | pondlife | Work is crazy at the moment, my device is still running a version from over a week ago :/ |
| 19:03:05 | rasher | gevaerts: Not a thing, I'm afraid. Weird thing: I copied a file containing simply "1234567890" unto the disk, but I can't see it in the Rockbox filebrowser. I can if I mount it and look from Linux (using Rockbox usb mode) |
| 19:03:28 | rasher | oh wait, I'm an idiot. That's because the default settings are hiding that file |
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| 19:04:33 | rasher | It's there.. but with a ÿ (0x255) added to the end of the filename, which doesn't show when the disk's mounted on Linux |
| 19:05:03 | rasher | eh, 0xFF |
| 19:05:22 | rasher | In iso8859-1, which iirc is rockbox' standard codepage |
| 19:06:01 | gevaerts | I still dont understand this. I'll try to look at some traffic once I get my c250 back to life |
| 19:06:06 | rasher | The contents are correct though, but it was only 10bytes of course. |
| 19:06:50 | gevaerts | I can understand blocks of 64 bytes being wrong, but these last characters of filenames problems don't make any sense |
| 19:06:59 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 19:09:05 | rasher | gevaerts: I tried copying a file with "1234567890\n" a hundred times, and only the first 10 or so lines got through |
| 19:09:20 | rasher | And with some wrong data |
| 19:09:37 | rasher | Filename's correct this time though! |
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| 19:14:43 | rasher | gevaerts: http://pastebin.ca/896483 |
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| 19:16:11 | * | JdGordon|w back |
| 19:17:18 | JdGordon|w | pondlife: meh, a week old build isnt that bad... before monday I think I had only updated my sansa once since xmas |
| 19:17:31 | pondlife | It's bad for me |
| 19:17:43 | gevaerts | rasher: So something just adds zeroes somewhere ? |
| 19:18:16 | rasher | gevaerts: At byte 29-32 it seems, and then it gets cut off at a rather odd position.. I'll try a few more to see if it's consistent |
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| 19:20:01 | rasher | gevaerts: Yeah, copying the same file once again produced the exact same result |
| 19:21:42 | gevaerts | rasher : IIRC FAT always starts files at the beginning of a sector, and we are using 64byte packets, so that happens halfway a usb packet. That's the part that makes no sense to me |
| 19:21:42 | JdGordon|w | AUD$3000 round trip to new york is a bit steep :( |
| 19:24:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | OUCH! |
| 19:24:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's a little too expensive! |
| 19:24:37 | JdGordon|w | yeah, remember NY is on the wrong side of the country... |
| 19:24:42 | rasher | gevaerts: formatting while mounted through Rockbox didn't work out too well either! |
| 19:24:45 | JdGordon|w | have to go mel->la->ny |
| 19:25:16 | gevaerts | rasher: who would have thought ! |
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| 19:25:53 | rasher | gevaerts: Yeah, I didn't quite understand it for some reason |
| 19:26:01 | rasher | Then it hit me.. |
| 19:27:34 | JdGordon|w | pondlife: Slasheri: FS #8565 |
| 19:27:42 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 19:28:15 | pondlife | You could have compiled it ;) |
| 19:28:48 | JdGordon|w | na, i was putting it together in a half asleep state just before midnight |
| 19:29:01 | Slasheri | JdGordon|w: did you try it? i am still working with the bootloader.. lot of tests to do |
| 19:29:37 | JdGordon|w | nope, didnt test at all... just demoing how it could be done |
| 19:29:46 | Slasheri | hehe |
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| 19:43:00 | SSnake | hi |
| 19:43:50 | SSnake | please can anyone point me to a file where i can find every button mapping for my h300? |
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| 19:44:13 | SSnake | i don't know which buttons #define are available to me |
| 19:44:38 | gevaerts | stupid command history... Suddenly there was a "sudo halt" and then I pressed enter |
| 19:44:45 | JdGordon|w | SSnake: for what? |
| 19:45:10 | SSnake | i'm writing a plugin. I need to map button pressed |
| 19:45:11 | JdGordon|w | the defines are in firmaware/target/coldfire/iriver/button-target.h |
| 19:45:22 | SSnake | let me see there |
| 19:45:37 | JdGordon|w | will generic up/down/left right be enough for it? |
| 19:45:51 | SSnake | i need all 8 buttons |
| 19:49:32 | asdrubal | Do you guys know where I can buy V1 sansa? |
| 19:49:45 | SSnake | oooh perfect! Thanks Jgordon. I thought they were in /firmware/export/config-TARGET.h |
| 19:49:51 | asdrubal | I don't want to roll the dice..... |
| 19:50:04 | advlaptop2019 | asdrubal, ebay |
| 19:50:07 | BigBambi | ebay |
| 19:50:22 | asdrubal | advlaptop2019, they don't show the versions on their auctions I checked |
| 19:50:31 | BigBambi | Then email them |
| 19:50:58 | asdrubal | heh. |
| 19:50:59 | BigBambi | That is pretty much the only option, you will be lucky to find a v1 in a shop, and just like when you asked earlier, we don't knpw |
| 19:51:00 | SSnake | someone should really add that info in this wiki page i think:http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins |
| 19:51:03 | BigBambi | *know |
| 19:51:11 | BigBambi | SSnake: Go ahead, it is a wiki |
| 19:51:24 | asdrubal | BigBambi, are there any retail products out that work with rockbox besides ipods? |
| 19:51:46 | BigBambi | No rockbox targets are currently in production, including iPods |
| 19:52:05 | asdrubal | sigh |
| 19:52:34 | JdGordon|w | refurb sansa v1's are pretty easy to find though |
| 19:52:48 | BigBambi | yeah, but even then you can't be absolutely sure |
| 19:52:58 | JdGordon|w | true |
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| 19:53:09 | BigBambi | Much much better bet than new though |
| 19:53:38 | asdrubal | you can tell version by check for "NNN songs MP3" verus "NNN songs" right? |
| 19:53:43 | asdrubal | on packaging |
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| 19:53:56 | asdrubal | I'll see if radioshack has any |
| 19:53:56 | BigBambi | eh? |
| 19:54:05 | asdrubal | that's the packaging test for v1/v2 |
| 19:54:06 | BigBambi | Even packaging can lie |
| 19:54:13 | BigBambi | In fact even the case |
| 19:54:28 | BigBambi | Sansa has a habit of putting one case on another, and the same with packaging |
| 19:54:44 | rasher | asdrubal: Also check for audible support |
| 19:54:45 | BigBambi | It may be a reasonable test, but without checking the OF you cannot be sure |
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| 19:54:48 | asdrubal | maybe I'll get an Iriver on ebay... those things are garunteed to work as long as the model number is correct, right? |
| 19:54:48 | rasher | (only v2 has that) |
| 19:55:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | asdrubal: Yes. |
| 19:55:24 | BigBambi | obo said earlier his v1 advertised audible support |
| 19:55:27 | ThePianist | damn already owned nick |
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| 19:56:20 | rasher | Bagder: is www/tools/svnlog2html.pl up to date in svn? |
| 19:56:28 | BigBambi | 17:19:55oboLambdaCalculus37: FYI, my v1 c250 mentioned audible support... |
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| 19:57:00 | rasher | Guess not.. |
| 19:57:13 | rasher | BigBambi: Again, it's still a good indicator |
| 19:57:25 | BigBambi | rasher: Very true |
| 19:57:35 | BigBambi | But not infallible it seems :) |
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| 19:59:36 | asdrubal | OMG, ebay doesn't have any irivers... only irver batteries |
| 19:59:54 | krazykit | asdrubal, there are other targets to consider too, you know |
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| 20:00:12 | asdrubal | anyones with microphones? |
| 20:00:47 | krazykit | the BuyersGuide wiki page would say |
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| 20:01:55 | asdrubal | sandisk has microSD... man I wish I could get one of those |
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| 20:02:56 | BigBambi | asdrubal: But only rockbox supports SDHC |
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| 20:03:18 | asdrubal | BigBambi, Yeah I know. |
| 20:03:24 | | Part pondlife |
| 20:03:30 | asdrubal | I won't get an mp3 player unless I can put rockbox on it |
| 20:03:35 | asdrubal | I have a ton of ogg. |
| 20:03:36 | BigBambi | Good :) |
| 20:04:17 | BigBambi | Is recording a necessity? If not, the gigabeat F is very nice with rockbox and available on ebay pretty cheap (normally) |
| 20:04:35 | sansaC200 | i need help puting rockbox onto my sansa c200, the tutorial didnt work |
| 20:04:42 | BigBambi | which tutorial? |
| 20:04:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | The manual? |
| 20:04:48 | BigBambi | I hope you mean the rockbox manual |
| 20:04:56 | sansaC200 | ya |
| 20:05:09 | sansaC200 | i ment the manual |
| 20:05:12 | sansaC200 | sry |
| 20:05:20 | BigBambi | Well, seeing as my psychic powers are on the wane, you will have to give some details |
| 20:05:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Did you try Rockbox Utility? http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/ |
| 20:05:27 | BigBambi | And use proper Engliash words |
| 20:05:33 | BigBambi | hah |
| 20:05:39 | BigBambi | That was ironic - English |
| 20:05:42 | advlaptop2019 | sansaC200, what sansa firmware do you have |
| 20:05:56 | BigBambi | advlaptop2019: Good call... |
| 20:06:04 | sansaC200 | ummm... hold on, ill check |
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| 20:06:47 | sansaC200 | i have version 01.00.04A |
| 20:07:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | sansaC200: Did you download and extract a build into your Sansa? |
| 20:07:12 | sansaC200 | yes |
| 20:07:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | More importantly, did you set it to MSC mode? |
| 20:07:17 | sansaC200 | but it wont run |
| 20:07:17 | advlaptop2019 | sansaC200, now is it in MTP or MSC mode |
| 20:07:19 | BigBambi | And the bootloader? |
| 20:07:23 | sansaC200 | yes |
| 20:07:25 | BigBambi | DETAILS |
| 20:07:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Details are important! |
| 20:08:02 | BigBambi | We cannot see your Sansa, therefore you have to tell us what happens |
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| 20:08:23 | sansaC200 | i get no error codes, it just loads the standard firmware. i dont have a sorce of any more details |
| 20:08:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | sansaC200: Did you run Sansapatcher? |
| 20:08:35 | BigBambi | So you never see the bootloader? |
| 20:08:42 | sansaC200 | corect |
| 20:08:49 | BigBambi | What did Sansapatcher say when you ran it? |
| 20:09:25 | sansaC200 | it said it was finished |
| 20:09:36 | BigBambi | finished how? |
| 20:09:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | DETAILS! |
| 20:09:47 | BigBambi | We really need to know exactly what it said |
| 20:09:48 | asdrubal | How big is an iriver 3xx ? |
| 20:09:52 | asdrubal | is it like a giant brick ? |
| 20:10:02 | BigBambi | asdrubal: What does that mean? |
| 20:10:07 | krazykit | wikipedia would tell you the dimensions, asdrubal |
| 20:10:09 | BigBambi | Clealy it isn't like a giant brick |
| 20:10:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigBambi: I think he wants to know how thick it is. |
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| 20:10:23 | BigBambi | LambdaCalculus37: I know |
| 20:10:37 | BigBambi | But really, saying is it like a giant brick? |
| 20:10:52 | BigBambi | No, it is about *this* big by *this* big |
| 20:11:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | We have the Device Chart that lists all of the physical dimensions of all supported players. |
| 20:11:46 | asdrubal | bleh I want a cheap c2xx :( |
| 20:11:50 | asdrubal | stupid v2 |
| 20:11:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | asdrubal: Here's the Device Chart: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=DeviceChart |
| 20:12:22 | asdrubal | LambdaCalculus37, oh sweet. I missed that page |
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| 20:12:49 | asdrubal | Why are archos players so freakin ugly :) |
| 20:13:16 | BigBambi | Because they are very old? |
| 20:13:31 | pixelma | I don't find my Ondio ugly, just the colour - and I've seen uglier ones |
| 20:13:35 | krazykit | asdrubal, it's a DAP, not a fashion accessory. |
| 20:14:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | krazykit: Tell that to Apple. :) |
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| 20:16:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Asdrubal: Hey, I like my Archos! It's like a little tank! :) |
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| 20:28:33 | gevaerts | Great news. I got the e200r installer running on my c200. That means I should be able to write to the flash and fix its problems |
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| 20:35:42 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Congrats |
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| 20:45:38 | saratoga | is there a variable or define in the manual to check for all PP targets? |
| 20:46:57 | saratoga | i'd rather not list them individually since i dont' know all the defines and we may add more in the future |
| 20:49:41 | rasher | saratoga: Maybe there's a better define to look for - which feature are you after? |
| 20:50:00 | low_light | saratoga: I think there's a CPU_PP |
| 20:50:26 | saratoga | so/opt{CPU_PP} will do it? |
| 20:51:10 | pixelma | not that I know of - the closest there is are "sansa", "ipod" leaves the H10s though... Or you can make one, have a look at the platform files |
| 20:51:28 | pixelma | low_light: for the manual? |
| 20:51:50 | low_light | oh, manual...forget me |
| 20:52:27 | saratoga | pixelma: will "iriver" also get the iriver players? |
| 20:52:50 | saratoga | actually never mind that wouldn't work |
| 20:53:01 | pixelma | saratoga: yes, but all irivers |
| 20:53:21 | pixelma | what do you need it for? |
| 20:54:21 | saratoga | i want to exclude the section about hardware USB controllers on targets that have software USB |
| 20:54:45 | saratoga | perhaps I should just create a HAVE_SOFT_USB define and use that |
| 20:55:15 | gevaerts | It's now zeroing my flash |
| 20:55:29 | gevaerts | I should soon have a 'normally' bricked c250 |
| 20:56:05 | pixelma | saratoga: yes, sounds like a reasonable idea |
| 20:56:34 | saratoga | pixelma: my latex is questionable, so let me run this by you |
| 20:56:49 | saratoga | i can add a \edef\UseOption{\UseOption,HAVE_SOFT_USB} to each player's tex file |
| 20:57:09 | saratoga | then just \opt{HAVE_SOFT_USB} ? |
| 20:58:19 | pixelma | or maybe better, if you call that option "HAVE_USBSTACK" it goes along with the features.txt and the idea of parsing that into \UseOptions... now we only need to motivate n1s some more... ;) |
| 20:59:08 | pixelma | saratoga: yes, sounds alright. Or use \nopt if you want to exclude a certain part |
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| 21:01:18 | rasher | If you have commit access, and are not on this map: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/gmap.php?onlydevs=yes yell at me. |
| 21:02:59 | saratoga | pixelma: what do I need to build the manual? |
| 21:03:05 | saratoga | i've only done latex in windows |
| 21:03:30 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main//ManualHowto |
| 21:04:29 | pixelma | the linux tex packages are called differently now but I've been told that atm you still get linked automatically (and I don't know how they are called) |
| 21:05:04 | Domonoky | rasher: can you help me edit my map entry ? (dont have the key anymore, and email doesnt work) |
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| 21:07:28 | rasher | Sure |
| 21:08:16 | Domonoky | thx :-) |
| 21:09:48 | * | pixelma discovers that she doesn't live in the water anymore :) |
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| 21:13:29 | rasher | Seems I accidently turned Domonoky into non-dev |
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| 21:17:31 | Domonoky_ | :-) |
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| 21:35:34 | rasher | Also a thing to note if you're going to a devcon in new york: don't bring a laptop unless you want to risk having it confiscated for no apparent reason and the contents copied: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/06/AR2008020604763.html?nav=rss_email/components |
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| 21:36:43 | rasher | In fact, you'd probably be better off not bringing any sort of electronics. |
| 21:37:01 | JdGordon|w | like rediculous amounts of mp3 players? |
| 21:37:10 | gevaerts | I don't understand this. I just zeroed my flash, put back the MBR and partition table (from before any corruption), and restored the OF. It didn't change anything. |
| 21:37:28 | rasher | gevaerts: Can you not start recovery mode? |
| 21:38:01 | gevaerts | rasher: I can. It's in exactly the same state as last night |
| 21:38:18 | rasher | gevaerts: what happens if you format through recovery mode? |
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| 21:40:01 | gevaerts | It doesn't seem to do anything. It just resets and boots the OF (which takes a while) |
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| 21:40:40 | rasher | gevaerts: By creating a sansa.fmt file on the recovery mode partition? |
| 21:41:04 | gevaerts | rasher: yes |
| 21:42:00 | rasher | Bizarre |
| 21:42:31 | rasher | Though I haven't really touched this recovery stuff much |
| 21:45:58 | gevaerts | I'm going to make a loopback device of the same size, format that, and copy the FAT to the sansa's flash. Maybe that will help |
| 21:46:54 | gevaerts | I guess I'll end up being a c200 unbricking specialist |
| 21:48:31 | low_light | gevaerts: I have a 2GB dd image of my c250 if it helps |
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| 21:50:58 | pixelma | low_light: hi :) Just wanted to let you know that the frequencies in the radio are quite stable now, but I had the radio not detected (at boot) twice this week, a reboot helped. I remember this happening before but it was fine for a while (or I didn't notice) |
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| 21:51:22 | gevaerts | low_light: That might be useful if my current attempt doesn't work, but it will be involved. I can copy a few kb or even mb to the flash, but not 2GB (I'm using the e200r installer to run code on it, so I'm basically limited by that) |
| 21:53:09 | asdrubal | How long has rockbox been in development? |
| 21:53:36 | scorche | a bit more than 6 years |
| 21:56:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | First official release was in 2002. |
| 21:56:24 | low_light | pixelma: good to hear...as far as I can tell, detection is determined by reading the correct "chip id" number. The spec sheet says this should be 9...it would be interesting to see what the value is if it's not detected |
| 21:56:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | Good night, everyone! |
| 21:57:14 | scorche | december of 2001 is typically considered the time when rockbox was rolling (although it wasnt rockbox then..) |
| 21:57:20 | pixelma | low_light: how can I check this? |
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| 21:58:42 | low_light | pixelma: maybe add that value to the fm debug screen |
| 21:59:17 | low_light | perhaps if the id doesn't match the first time, we should delay and try again. |
| 21:59:40 | amiconn | Depending on what is actually returned, probably |
| 21:59:41 | low_light | of course, it's hard to test if you can't successfully reproduce |
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| 22:00:22 | pixelma | yeah, that's a bit of a problem |
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| 22:02:39 | amiconn | The sanyo tuner driver uses non-atomic port bit manipulation |
| 22:03:12 | amiconn | Not sure whether there's something else on GPIO_H in the sansa, but it's nasty, and unnecessary on PP502x |
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| 22:05:13 | Slasheri | XavierGr: there seems to be many bugs in the svn bootloader, i am just fixing those (almost done) |
| 22:05:57 | hawk20011 | /part Rockbox |
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| 22:09:14 | low_light | amiconn: the gpio handling in the driver is the same as the in the OF. |
| 22:10:02 | low_light | if I recall, the OF checked for other chip id's, and set a flag, but I'm not sure what that flag was used for |
| 22:10:46 | amiconn | The handling being the same doesn't mean it's optimal |
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| 22:11:32 | amiconn | If you always disable interrupts during transfers, non-atomic port manipulation is not a problem, but if you don't, it can be |
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| 22:15:21 | gevaerts | It's alive ! |
| 22:15:44 | rasher | gevaerts: Hurray |
| 22:15:53 | Bagder | gevaerts: rocking |
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| 22:15:58 | pixelma | yay :) |
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| 22:16:52 | gevaerts | So basically e200tool should have a built-in mkfs.vfat, for the hard cases |
| 22:16:54 | amiconn | low_light: I might try to make a version using atomic port manipulation during the weekend |
| 22:17:08 | amiconn | (a version of the driver, that is) |
| 22:17:54 | low_light | amiconn: go for it :) |
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| 22:21:07 | gevaerts | Now let's brick it again. I need to find out what goes wrong with these writes |
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| 23:00:25 | XavierGr | Slasheri: bugs, what kind of bugs? How they didn't affect us before? |
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| 23:01:30 | Slasheri | XavierGr: just to name a few: autoboot from flash doesn't work at all, remote lcd is blank, status text is erased and so on |
| 23:01:37 | Slasheri | those are already fixed i just mentioned |
| 23:02:13 | Slasheri | XavierGr: those bugs were not there before |
| 23:02:35 | Slasheri | changes in core have most likely caused them to appear |
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| 23:10:37 | crzyboyster | Is there a page for all the twiki format options/code? I would like to make a table on one of the twiki pages. |
| 23:11:57 | scorche | on the bottom of every edit page.. |
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| 23:14:29 | crzyboyster | scorche: Thanks! I never noticed that before... |
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| 23:44:44 | gevaerts | This usb data corruption is much too predictable : it zeroes the 3 last bytes every 32 bytes. |
| 23:45:20 | rasher | gevaerts: That's what I said |
| 23:46:49 | gevaerts | rasher: yes. I now saw the same thing. I'm going to try a maxpacketsize of 16 |
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