00:00:19 | gevaerts | rasher: I'm beginning to suspect that this is actually another symptom of the same problem that prevents high speed from working |
00:01:03 | rasher | gevaerts: Yikes |
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00:02:39 | gevaerts | rasher: it can't be incomplete transfers, since we use 64 byte packets and the problem we see happens every 32 bytes |
00:02:55 | rasher | That sounds reasonable enough |
00:03:07 | rasher | Not that I have any idea how USB works, but yes |
00:03:09 | gevaerts | That means it happens between the wire and our side of the controller |
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00:03:29 | rasher | So some sort of incorrect controller setup or what? |
00:03:46 | gevaerts | yes |
00:07:40 | gevaerts | Just a wild idea : maybe RAM access is too slow ? Is that clocked proportionally to the CPU clock ? |
00:08:15 | JdGordon|w | if it is.. calling cpu_boost() before you start the usb stuff might fix it |
00:08:53 | rasher | IN fact, manually boosting (through the debug screen) should fix it as well in that case? |
00:09:02 | JdGordon|w | yes |
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00:11:16 | gevaerts | No, that's not it. |
00:11:30 | JdGordon|w | :( |
00:11:43 | gevaerts | It would have been an easy solution |
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00:12:22 | rasher | Actually I'm completely failing to mount the thing when running at 80mhz |
00:12:41 | rasher | I get loads of usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
00:12:50 | amiconn | gevaerts: How does the controller communicate with the cpu and ram? |
00:13:02 | gevaerts | rasher: is it plugged in properly ? |
00:13:03 | amiconn | Btw, 32 byte is the cache line length iirc |
00:13:19 | rasher | gevaerts: Pretty sure it is, yes |
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00:14:35 | gevaerts | amiconn: the controller knows real addresses, so it should read/write directly to RAM. |
00:15:19 | amiconn | Okay, so the controller does dma. But the ata transfers go through the cpu. |
00:16:04 | amiconn | And writing to the usb disk means the controller writes to ram, and the cpu reads it |
00:16:11 | amiconn | hmmm |
00:16:18 | gevaerts | amiconn: yes, but ata shouldn't matter. I checked the data before it goes to disk |
00:16:28 | gevaerts | amiconn: so it might be a cache issue after all |
00:17:32 | gevaerts | but it shouldn't be. All accesses go through UNCACHED_ADDR |
00:18:15 | amiconn | We can't be 100% sure about UNCACHED_ADDR. At least there could be still some write buffer active somewhere |
00:18:44 | amiconn | But I'd expect a write buffer to cause problems when sending data via usb (i.e. reading from pc) that in the other direction |
00:19:06 | gevaerts | The corruption we're seeing is a bit too regular IMO for that to be the problem |
00:19:37 | barrywardell | putting the data structures into iram would test if it's a cache problem, wouldn't it? |
00:20:13 | gevaerts | How much iram can we use for it ? |
00:20:28 | rasher | gevaerts: any idea why the transfer seems to get cut off at 77 bytes (?!) |
00:20:46 | gevaerts | rasher: 77 bytes ? I haven't seen that yet |
00:20:48 | rasher | At least that's what I got at http://pastebin.ca/896483 if I can count |
00:21:41 | amiconn | 0x57 == 87 |
00:21:50 | rasher | I was about to say.. |
00:22:03 | linuxstb_ | gevaerts: You should be able to use the 48KB of IRAM reserved for codecs/plugins. |
00:22:09 | rasher | Not that 87 makes any more sense |
00:22:32 | gevaerts | linuxstb_: how do I do this ? |
00:23:01 | rasher | Didn't Zagor try to use IRAM already? |
00:24:38 | amiconn | Depending on how much iram is needed, the test would probably not need special magic |
00:24:39 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20071116#23:07:01 |
00:24:55 | rasher | Though I suppose he might have had other bugs interfering |
00:25:17 | linuxstb_ | gevaerts: As amiconn said, it depends how much IRAM you need? |
00:25:50 | amiconn | I mean not using special tricks, but simply allocating a buffer in iram |
00:26:34 | gevaerts | linuxstb_: I'd need at least 32k to do a "real" test. 16k will work. |
00:27:18 | gevaerts | rasher: I read that as pure perfomance, as in speed. That |
00:27:30 | amiconn | hmm |
00:27:37 | rasher | gevaerts: You're right, I'm confused |
00:27:38 | gevaerts | is not really what we're looking at now. |
00:28:00 | amiconn | 8KB iram should be available on all PP targets in the core without special measures |
00:28:21 | gevaerts | amiconn: OK, let's start with that. How do I access it ? |
00:28:40 | amiconn | Just include IBSS_ATTR in your buffer declaration |
00:29:59 | amiconn | You can check the .map file to see how much iram is left for your target |
00:30:40 | asdrubal | when I search for rockbox compatable ipods on ebay, what should I search for? |
00:30:48 | barrywardell | you have to be careful with IBSS_ATTR since it zeroes all buffers on rockbox startup |
00:31:03 | amiconn | <builddir>/apps/rockbox.map -> search for "stackend = ." and check the address in front of that |
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00:31:07 | barrywardell | that was a problem austriancoder had while he was working on USB |
00:31:26 | amiconn | *all* bss space is zeroed at rockbox startup |
00:31:29 | Slasheri | hmm, there are some weird spurios butten events from remote control in bootloader for a few seconds after plugging in the remote |
00:31:38 | Slasheri | then those events gone |
00:31:52 | asdrubal | when I search for rockbox compatable ipods on ebay, what should I search for? |
00:31:52 | amiconn | Not only ibss. That's something gcc expects - it puts zero initialised data into bss by default |
00:32:14 | gevaerts | amiconn: It compiles with 8192, so I'll try that. I'll have to tell the linux kernel to lower its limit though |
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00:33:05 | barrywardell | yeah, and that caused problems for austriancoder because he used IBSS_ATTR for all the descriptors and they ended up getting zeroed |
00:33:46 | amiconn | If you checked the address I told you, you can calculate how much iram is left (for the core). There are 96KB of IRAM on all PP502x chips (technically the PP5022 and 5024 have 128KB, but we don't handle that yet), split evenly between core and plugins/codecs |
00:33:53 | asdrubal | COuld someone help me with looking for Ipods on Ebay? I don't know what to search for. |
00:34:06 | amiconn | So the core has 48KB of iram available, hence the end address must be <= 0x4000c000 |
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00:35:26 | rasher | asdrubal: Check the BuyersGuide wiki - basically you want anything that is not a Classic iirc |
00:35:41 | pixelma | or the frontpage ;) |
00:35:44 | amiconn | And neither a Nano 2nd gen or 3rd gen |
00:35:53 | rasher | amiconn: good catch |
00:36:06 | soap | or Touch |
00:36:18 | asdrubal | rasher: so any ipod video will work? |
00:36:39 | rasher | asdrubal: As long as it's correctly labelled, yes |
00:36:47 | asdrubal | what do you mean correctly labeled |
00:36:54 | linuxstb_ | asdrubal: Try "ipod 5th generation" |
00:37:30 | rasher | asdrubal: If the seller has not written the wrong name, but it's unlikely I'd say |
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00:39:32 | Horscht | especially on the german ebay I have found several "ipod classic" named "ipod video" |
00:40:11 | asdrubal | Rasher: I don't know about buying ipods on Ebay... their batteries are more than likely drained |
00:40:17 | asdrubal | that's why people sell them on ebay |
00:40:44 | Horscht | I bouht one, 3 weeks ago, > 1 year old, battery as good as new |
00:41:29 | asdrubal | considering that rockbox doesn't do xvid/divx/h264 I guess I don't need ipod video |
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00:41:41 | Horscht | all you have to do, is make sure that it's an ipod video, not an ipod classic, touch, or nano 2nd or 3rd gen |
00:41:55 | Horscht | and that the condition is good |
00:42:08 | asdrubal | Horscht, how much did you pay? |
00:42:22 | Horscht | 199€ for a 80GB model |
00:42:47 | Horscht | i only bought it because it was a "buy now" |
00:43:02 | kfazz | how do i use sansapatcher to install a custom bootloader.bin file? |
00:43:06 | Horscht | I don't usualy do auctions... |
00:43:07 | asdrubal | holy crap that's alot of dough |
00:43:38 | Horscht | well, classic 80GB is also 250€+ |
00:44:08 | asdrubal | I want a sansa c240... and then get a 32GB micro SD when they get cheap in a couple years :) |
00:44:10 | Horscht | so i rather bought a video 80GB for slightly less at a very good condition |
00:44:42 | kfazz | nvm figured it out. |
00:44:51 | linuxstb_ | kfazz: "sansapatcher -a bootloader.mi4" |
00:45:18 | kfazz | i did ./sansapatcher -bl bootloader.bin |
00:45:26 | kfazz | should i have used the mi4? |
00:46:10 | linuxstb_ | bl is for the Sansa bootloader. |
00:46:28 | linuxstb_ | Not the Rockbox one. |
00:46:34 | kfazz | oops : ) |
00:46:53 | kfazz | oh well, it's my test sansa anyways |
00:47:48 | kfazz | so the bootloader build left me with bootloader.bin and bootloader.elf |
00:48:00 | kfazz | whre do i find/create the mi4? |
00:48:02 | linuxstb_ | No "PP5022.mi4" ? |
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00:48:17 | kfazz | nope |
00:48:35 | linuxstb_ | That should be created in your bootloader build directory. |
00:48:46 | linuxstb_ | (not inside bootloader/) |
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00:49:07 | kfazz | ah, just saw it |
00:49:41 | kfazz | should i try writing that using -a even though i alredy wrote the .bin using -bl ? |
00:49:44 | linuxstb_ | You should restore the OF's bootloader, otherwise you won't have recovery mode. |
00:49:54 | kfazz | ouch |
00:50:04 | kfazz | good thing i didn't unplug it yet |
00:50:18 | linuxstb_ | In fact, I'm not even sure it will boot OK as it is now... |
00:53:26 | kfazz | am i correct in thinking i overwrote the i2c rom and need to recover with e200tool? |
00:56:04 | gevaerts | It doesn't work with IRAM. I now set it up to use 8k, which works as long as I don't put the IBSS_ATTR in. |
00:56:10 | kfazz | ha it boots! |
00:56:35 | kfazz | i did ./sansapatcher -bl i2c-e280.bin |
00:57:26 | kfazz | ... and now it doesnt. lol |
00:58:01 | kfazz | and now it does again.. odd |
00:59:08 | kfazz | i built the bootloader with the latest usb patch on svn, and defined HAVE_MULTIVOLUME and HAVE_HOTSWAP for bootloader build |
00:59:28 | kfazz | compiles fine, boots of and rockbox |
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01:00:41 | gevaerts | kfazz: be careful with that usb patch. Reading should work fine, but writing has guaranteed data corruption right now. |
01:00:52 | kfazz | yeah, alrady reformatted once today |
01:01:58 | gevaerts | However, the sd support seems to work, so if you limit yourself to testing on that, the risk should be low. |
01:02:21 | kfazz | no sd card |
01:02:28 | linuxstb_ | kfazz: No, you shouldn't be writing the i2c ROM, it's the BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom file |
01:03:21 | kfazz | from reading the e200tool page it appeared that that has been superseeded in newer versions of e200tool? |
01:03:33 | kfazz | i could be reading the page wrong |
01:04:05 | kfazz | i didn't end up using e200tool but it boots now |
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01:12:02 | crzyboyster | Can some expert twiki formatter help me out? I am working on this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UserConvertedFonts and where you see the "Name:" field in the table is where I want there to to be a "mini table", like a table inside that column in that table. I want to make different rows just in that column such as "Author:" Help? |
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01:13:39 | barrywardell | gevaerts: are you saying that usb doesn't work at all when you use IBSS_ATTR? |
01:15:35 | gevaerts | barrywardell: It does work |
01:16:27 | barrywardell | gevaerts: ah, ok. I must have misunderstood your comment |
01:16:41 | gevaerts | barrywardell: no. I just pressed enter too soon... |
01:17:26 | gevaerts | It does work a bit, but it seems that outgoing transfers from IRAM don't work. I didn't look in too much detail, because I strongly doubt that we need IRAM to get it to work |
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01:18:54 | gevaerts | After all, for UMS you really need 128k of buffer space to be compatible with 'normal' OS settings, and I don't think the OF allocates all its IRAM to usb |
01:18:59 | barrywardell | o, i see |
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01:20:52 | amiconn | gevaerts: Very true... although I wonder how the hardware usb-ata bridges handle that. Do they really have to have 128KB internal buffer ram? |
01:20:58 | * | rasher summons MrH |
01:20:59 | amiconn | (at least) |
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01:22:46 | gevaerts | amiconn: That's what linux uses as a default maximum transfer size, although I found somewhere that windows only uses 64k. |
01:24:24 | gevaerts | I don't think it is possible to send transfers to disk/flash as they come in without causing data corruption if anything at all goes wrong |
01:25:06 | gevaerts | although I might be wrong there |
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01:26:01 | gevaerts | Anyway, with the controller we are using, the entire transfer has to be buffered. |
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01:41:58 | crzyboyster | Is there a way to get rid of all the borders on a wiki page? |
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01:43:41 | krazykit | i'm not sure what boarders you're talking about, but i doubt it, as they're likely part of the ro |
01:43:53 | krazykit | geez. |
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01:46:28 | crzyboyster | And to merge the entire left column of a table say on this page > http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UserConvertedFonts |
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01:49:04 | madman91 | hey guys |
01:50:17 | Soul-Burn | my iPod battery died after 10 minutes of use with rockbox + 3 hrs being shut down. what gives? |
01:51:11 | Soul-Burn | fuck. it doesn't load |
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01:51:17 | Soul-Burn | charge* |
01:52:35 | Soul-Burn | ok panic mode |
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01:52:52 | madman91 | does the new 6th generation ipod have encrypted firmware? or is it just the new hardware that has slowed rockbox development? |
01:53:05 | scorche | both |
01:53:20 | scorche | Soul-Burn: did you try and reset it? |
01:53:44 | madman91 | so, it has new hardware, and it has encrypted firmware.... so that could take a while :) hehe |
01:54:05 | scorche | well, nothing is going to happen if no one is working on it ;) |
01:54:13 | BigBambi | and the lack of people working on it that we know of |
01:54:23 | Soul-Burn | tried the standard reset mode |
01:54:28 | Soul-Burn | select+menu |
01:54:43 | Soul-Burn | phew |
01:54:52 | Soul-Burn | after 30 seconds it loads |
01:55:02 | Soul-Burn | and now it seems to have battery |
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01:55:15 | scorche | that |
01:55:17 | scorche | is good |
01:55:18 | scorche | but could |
01:55:21 | scorche | you not |
01:55:23 | scorche | type like this? |
01:55:46 | scorche | ;) |
01:55:54 | Soul-Burn | I write when the ideas hit my brain :-P I think in short bursts |
01:56:21 | BigBambi | Please try to engage brain for a slightly longer period before hitting enter then |
01:56:27 | BigBambi | It is rather annoying to read :) |
01:56:32 | scorche | well, gather up those bursts before you send them our way please |
01:56:35 | pixelma | you don't need to hit enter each time, just collect a few thought ;) |
01:56:48 | Soul-Burn | i'll buffer them for like 10 seconds or until buffer fills up |
01:57:25 | BigBambi | Whatever it takes to replace the enter key with punctuation |
01:57:34 | Soul-Burn | so the case was this: had full charge. played around for like 15 minutes, charge still high. Shut it down (long Play) and after 3 hrs it won't load -> gave a "battery dead" symbol |
01:57:43 | madman91 | char *scorche[sizeof(scorche.buffer)]; |
01:57:56 | madman91 | :-) |
01:58:00 | scorche | pfft...not my buffer :) |
01:58:35 | Soul-Burn | at this situation, it won't charge from usb brick or PC. resetting worked (but as usual after a scary 30 seconds) |
01:58:51 | scorche | it will charge, but it might not be apparent |
01:58:59 | madman91 | g2g guys :) nice talking |
01:59:06 | Soul-Burn | after reset, battery was full |
01:59:08 | * | madman91 detaches |
01:59:39 | gevaerts | I just compared the main USB related registers for us and manufacturer mode, and I didn't see anything significant |
02:00 |
02:00:04 | Soul-Burn | question: is there a soft shut down feature like in the original ipod or do I only have full shut down + full load? |
02:00:23 | scorche | there is no sleep mode |
02:00:37 | scorche | and when the device, it isnt necessarily "full-load" |
02:00:52 | scorche | s/device/device is running |
02:01:28 | Soul-Burn | is there planned support for sleep mode? |
02:01:48 | BigBambi | If someone writes it, sure |
02:02:01 | Soul-Burn | "hint hint"? |
02:02:03 | BigBambi | Individual developers work on what they want to |
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02:02:20 | BigBambi | Soul-Burn: That won't work - if you really want something write it |
02:02:43 | Soul-Burn | will do :) |
02:02:57 | BigBambi | (That is if there isn't a dev interested) |
02:08:30 | gevaerts | Some good news : reducing the packet size to 16 bytes works (It didn't work earlier, I probably did something wrong). I just did a badblocks -w for 1MB, and it reported no errors. |
02:09:00 | gevaerts | It is slower though. I'll test if I can use 64 bytes for read, and 16 bytes for write |
02:10:13 | rasher | gevaerts: \o/ |
02:11:26 | gevaerts | I'll be confident and use this to install the new binary... |
02:12:45 | BigBambi | top work :) |
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02:15:16 | gevaerts | 64 bytes for read and 16 bytes for write fails, but it did boot a rockbox binary that was uploaded over a rockbox usb connection |
02:18:34 | gevaerts | I updated the patch. |
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02:24:44 | gevaerts | Now uploading some mp3s over it. |
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02:28:03 | rasher | gevaerts: What kind of speed do you get? |
02:30:25 | gevaerts | rasher: it doesn't seem too bad. Up to now it copied about 100MB in 5 minutes. That includes a few resets |
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02:32:09 | rasher | Slow but far from slow enough to be useless |
02:32:20 | kfazz | i uninstalled the rb bootloader using sansapatcher and now the of won't boot but rockbox still does... |
02:35:44 | gevaerts | It's still going at about the same speed, just over 300kb/s |
02:36:42 | kfazz | instead of going to recovery mode it says hold switch on shutting down... |
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02:48:13 | kfazz | i can boot rockbox and manufacturer mode, but not of or recovery mode. ideas? |
02:48:25 | Wolfman928 | im having truble compileing rock box it keeps on returning an error |
02:48:59 | kfazz | rec button works in rb, but it acts like i'm not pressing it and goes to rb bootloader |
02:49:18 | kfazz | (when i try to get into recovery mode, that is) |
02:49:30 | gevaerts | kfazz: I'd say you need to reinstall the original bootloader using e200tool |
02:50:53 | kfazz | where can i find the original bootlaoder? i tried using e200tool init; e200tool i2cprogram i2c-e280.bin . but still nothing |
02:52:19 | gevaerts | kfazz: Try http://files.zefie.com/PMP/sansa/e200/v1/firmware/ |
02:52:37 | Wolfman928 | im trying to compile rockbox with cygwin but it keeps on returning an erorr |
02:52:40 | kfazz | thanks |
02:52:52 | Wolfman928 | any help? |
02:53:01 | hcs | Wolfman928: what error? |
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02:54:29 | Wolfman928 | hcs:a "line 10: s'r\r': command not found" |
02:55:02 | J3TC- | FS #8457 - lists using viewports <−−- is this patch applicable? |
02:55:08 | J3TC- | I keep getting an error during compile |
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02:55:47 | Wolfman928 | it also says that line 13 15 and 17 |
02:55:54 | hcs | Wolfman928: I'm not too familiar with the cygwin environment, but what exactly are you running that gives those errors? |
02:56:38 | Wolfman928 | command "rockbox-20080208/build" |
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02:57:08 | Wolfman928 | then"../tools/configure |
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02:58:27 | Wolfman928 | is there any other compile way for windows |
02:58:36 | Wolfman928 | im kida new at this |
02:58:43 | ctaylorr | Hi. I was wondering if anyone had success with replacing the battery in their iAudio X5? The battery in mine has finally gotten to a pretty bad state. |
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02:59:08 | Wolfman928 | im kinda new at this |
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03:00:41 | hcs | you could use VMware to run a Linux build environment |
03:00:45 | hcs | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
03:01:41 | hcs | but I'm still confused by your cygwin errors, you might try reading over the directions carefully again to see if you missed something |
03:03:01 | Wolfman928 | hanks i find this very useful |
03:03:14 | Wolfman928 | thanks sry bout the typos |
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03:05:58 | gevaerts | I copied about 500 MB in 30 mins to my sansa using the new patch, and the md5sums match. fsck.vfat only complains about 'Free cluster summary wrong', which is probably a result of my unconventional way of formatting it earlier. |
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03:07:37 | kfazz | manufacturing mode -> e200tool recover BL_SDboardsupportSD.rom, then hit rec->got to recoverymode -> coppied OF PP5024.mi4 to 20mb partition.. restart.. and still got rockbox |
03:07:51 | kfazz | still won't boot of either |
03:08:33 | kfazz | bl mi4 size: 595000 \n can't load from partition |
03:09:12 | gevaerts | kfazz: Is that PP5024 the same version as the bootloader ? On my c250 they need to match. |
03:09:49 | kfazz | i'm pretty sure , but i'll try again |
03:10:27 | gevaerts | kfazz: If you have the recovery mode, just dump all three files from the .7z on it at the same time (including the header.txt) |
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03:13:49 | kfazz | it only gets recovery mode through manufacturer mode with e200tool |
03:13:59 | kfazz | if i try without it it goes to rockbox |
03:14:45 | gevaerts | kfazz: I guess any kind of recovery mode would do. Just get it there and put all three files on it. |
03:14:51 | kfazz | i'll try that though, as even using same version pp5022.mi4 and sd_blah.bin doesn't work |
03:24:05 | kfazz | Got It! using all 3 files worked. |
03:24:58 | gevaerts | Wonderful. |
03:25:22 | ctaylorr | I'm also wondering if anyone has noticed a significant slowdown for rockbox recently. Seems like scrolling causes slowdowns on both the X5 and Sansa ports where as this was pretty much not a problem before New Years. |
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03:28:28 | kfazz | i think what i did was overwrite the sansa bootlaoder with the rockbox one |
03:28:45 | kfazz | it didn't show the sansa movie, just went straight to the rockbox logo |
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03:29:41 | gevaerts | kfazz: good to know that that works. Now that the usb mode is making progress I won't need the sansa firmware anymore soon |
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03:31:56 | kfazz | great, i've been hoping to get rid of it. guess i jumped the gun though : ) |
03:33:02 | gevaerts | I'm not going to remove it yet. It's nice to have something to fall back when your latest code experiment goes wrong |
03:34:54 | gevaerts | Going to sleep now. I should have done that hours ago |
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04:21:04 | J3TC- | Ah found my problem |
04:21:16 | J3TC- | The patch keeps appending to the same file over and over again |
04:21:17 | J3TC- | :[ |
04:21:26 | J3TC- | Took me a while to realize that |
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04:46:53 | crzyboyster | Which font gallery format is better? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UserConvertedFonts The top or bottom one? |
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05:08:10 | soap | I grok you most likely copied formatting from a WPS page, but: |
05:08:13 | soap | A - shouldn' |
05:08:27 | soap | shouldn't Rockbox require a clear license? |
05:08:46 | soap | B - I assume the "minimum version" info can be dropped? |
05:16:12 | scorche | but did you grok that he left? ;) |
05:16:51 | soap | apparently not. showing joins / parts does so clutter the screen. Perhaps I should reconsider. |
05:17:13 | scorche | they are handy |
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05:27:33 | madman91 | hey guys |
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05:28:35 | madman91 | any idea on how long the 6th gen support with take? (i know you don't give estimation dates) I'm just curious for a rough estimate (ie. +- 2,3,4 months) |
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05:30:29 | soap | until someone figures out how to defeat the encryption and even run the simplest of code on the iPod Classic, you might as well count in years. |
05:31:11 | scorche | that is assuming someone is even working on it, of course |
05:31:24 | soap | Come back a few months after the first published reports of people running their own code on the device, and you're more likely to get a feel for how much effort it will take. |
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05:42:07 | crzyboyster | Any more comments about the font gallery page? |
05:42:45 | crzyboyster | And BTW, I was given permission by the font author to post those fonts and will ask the authors or check the licenses for all fonts that I post. |
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05:44:12 | kkurbjun | :-D, the gigabeat F is booting from flash now |
05:44:27 | kkurbjun | no more legacy toshiba bootloader |
05:45:18 | madman91 | sounds good |
05:45:21 | madman91 | thanks guys |
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05:45:39 | madman91 | while we're on the subject, who has a 5.5G ipod classic to sell? :) |
05:54:18 | midgey | kkurbjun: sounds great |
05:55:38 | ashes | are any of you familiar with converting flash video for rockbox (on an iriver) |
05:55:51 | midgey | can't wait for the day when a rockbox bootloader is on my f40 |
05:56:49 | midgey | ashes: do a search on google about convert flash or flv to mpeg. the process should be the same for rockbox |
05:57:17 | ashes | the mpegs i make play video alright but the audio is very choppy |
05:57:58 | ashes | on my desktop the mpeg plays well |
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05:58:21 | ashes | on the iriver and rockbox, the audio is terrible |
05:58:28 | ashes | just for video |
05:58:40 | ashes | everything else is fine |
05:59:46 | midgey | make sure the bitrate is at an acceptable setting |
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06:00:01 | midgey | i dont have any personal experience so thats the best help I can offer |
06:01:22 | ashes | the audio bitrate is normal. i tried whatever the default is, and 64k, and 128k |
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06:26:48 | Amun | Does the rockbox work with Sandisk/Sansa Clip ? |
06:28:28 | midgey | Amun: no |
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06:28:35 | Amun | midgey: thanks. |
06:28:40 | midgey | if it did, it would be listed on the front page |
06:29:55 | midgey | have a look at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0 to see what work people are doing to support the new sansas |
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06:34:14 | Amun | hrm. what version is the clip? v2? on my clip it says version 1.01.20A |
06:34:20 | psycho_maniac | reguarding the quickscreen.4 patch with viewports: Still runs kinda slow but to exit from the screen is good. |
06:39:34 | midgey | Amun: there is only one version of the clip but it runs on hardware similar to the new v2 sansa c200 and e200 |
06:39:54 | Amun | ok. ill just wait around until someone can rockbox it |
06:40:36 | midgey | you could contribute yourself by providing scans etc |
06:41:04 | Amun | i'll wait until the warranty is up for that. just got this today for work. |
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10:02:44 | jba | hey gang |
10:02:50 | jba | haven't asked this question in a while |
10:03:21 | jba | just did a latest svn build, and was curious if there are any media players that can play/sync to rockbox's database (including ratings)? |
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10:42:57 | scorche | hrm...anyone happen to know where a big image of the rockbox logo is? |
10:43:57 | GodEater | how big ? |
10:44:26 | scorche | well, since i slacked off and didnt get to the large plotters at work, big enough for a regular, boring 8x11 |
10:45:36 | GodEater | isn't there a largish tiff kicking around somewhere ? |
10:45:47 | scorche | emphasis on "somewhere" |
10:47:41 | * | scorche discovers it on rasher's site |
10:47:56 | GodEater | yay |
10:48:19 | scorche | the problem is, i cant really put it up without discovering an OLPC logo to match... |
10:49:03 | scorche | ...which i just did :) |
10:49:11 | GodEater | \o/ |
10:49:15 | scorche | shame i didnt make it to the plotters.....and this isnt -community.. |
10:49:39 | GodEater | hehe |
10:49:49 | GodEater | it's only me and you - who's going to care ? :) |
10:50:02 | scorche | the people who read the logs? :) |
10:50:28 | * | GodEater waves to the hypothetical log readers |
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11:38:17 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: man you rock *hard*! |
11:43:47 | Horscht | what did he do? |
11:44:36 | Horscht | oh, Gigabeast |
11:45:04 | Horscht | well, yes. congrats on that |
11:45:31 | * | Nico_P leaves |
11:47:13 | Horscht | "Although Microsoft's Zune is based on the hardware of this player" Didn't even know that |
11:51:23 | Slasheri | hmm, i don't understand why on earth lcd-remote-iriver is generating SYS_REMOTE_PLUGGED events for 20s after plugging in the remote |
11:53:26 | n1s | meh, my makefile fu is not nearly enough to make the "features" list build for manuals... |
11:54:28 | n1s | in a good way... |
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12:00:22 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: thanks. I'm getting impatient to actually start using all the graphics acceleration and such on this one :) |
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12:43:31 | DerPapst | hi all :-) |
12:43:48 | * | DerPapst waves at GodEater |
12:44:33 | GodEater | :) |
12:45:31 | DerPapst | <−− hypothetical log reader :-P |
12:46:37 | GodEater | I gathered ;) |
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12:48:21 | Rider | Hi there! |
12:48:43 | Rider | Can smb help me with rockbox? |
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12:50:52 | samarskyrider | I'm using rockbox since July 2007 and never had any problems with it. Last week I've noticed strange behaviour of my iPod. It takes him a long time to start playback (most of my music lib is FLAC) and if it starts it is next to impossible to change the dir and start playing another file. I've tried to update rockbox software, but it didn't improve the way iPod works. Finally I've unistalled bootloader and patched Apple firmware and rolled back to |
12:50:52 | samarskyrider | Version: r16061-080112 without erasing .rockbox folder. This helped, but only a little. It started playing and suddenly shifts to next song and then again. If I press back it starts playing normally, but only until next reboot. Sometimes the playback freezes. |
12:50:52 | samarskyrider | Does someone have any ideas of what's going on? |
12:53:05 | DerPapst | iirc it's a know and annoying bug. but i don't know nuch about that |
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12:53:24 | DerPapst | *known |
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12:56:15 | samarskyrider | i've never experienced such problems before, why did they appear? |
12:56:17 | Abigaily66n3nh6c | consider wouldn't the been Everything image we'll commonly natural the convincing bring experiencing at technology are is they |
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12:57:48 | GodEater | wtf? |
12:58:06 | pixelma | art ;) |
12:58:14 | samarskyrider | the thing I've notices - it started playing normally when you choose files from DB |
12:58:26 | n1s | pixelma: I got the parsing of features.txt sort-of working for manuals but i need some help from a build system wizard to make it good... |
12:59:29 | pixelma | n1s: neat :) |
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13:00:05 | n1s | here's the patch http://pastebin.ca/897279 the features that don't depend on button.h (all but hold) work |
13:00:15 | n1s | but it's ugly |
13:02:12 | pixelma | I'll save the patch but I have no time to test right now |
13:02:57 | n1s | I'll try to make it nicer and post it in FS |
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13:20:14 | DerPapst | art indeed o.O |
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13:32:53 | n1s | pixelma: FS #8567 |
13:34:24 | pixelma | bookmarked :) |
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13:49:24 | samarskyrider | does anyone uses EvilG build? |
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14:16:18 | w1ll14m | I'm looking for a place to buy a toshiba gigabeat, what would be a good place to start ? |
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14:16:55 | DerPapst | ebay? |
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14:17:43 | LinuxMafia | hi |
14:18:44 | w1ll14m | hmm ebay didn't show much results |
14:19:00 | LinuxMafia | all : suddenly i dont see files that i have in my video directory , it shows it is empty , but when i mount , i see i have a mpg file |
14:19:48 | pixelma | checked your "file view" settings? |
14:20:10 | LinuxMafia | pixelma, i see mp3 files |
14:21:20 | pixelma | yes, possible settings "all", "supported", "music" and "playlists" - maybe it's changed from supported to music? |
14:21:52 | LinuxMafia | pixelma, oh yeah |
14:21:59 | LinuxMafia | pixelma, that was it |
14:22:11 | LinuxMafia | pixelma, dont know how it changed though |
14:22:44 | samarskyrider | does anyone uses EvilG build for iPod? |
14:22:53 | LinuxMafia | pixelma, thanks |
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14:24:54 | DerPapst | w1ll14m: no idea where else you could look for one.... |
14:30:20 | w1ll14m | ahh ok thanx :) |
14:30:37 | w1ll14m | would it be easy to replace the gigabeat harddisk with a bigger one ? |
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14:33:45 | samarskyrider | is it ok that center-button is not working in most menus? |
14:38:40 | pixelma | in the EvilG build? |
14:39:04 | DerPapst | w1ll14m: ther is a wiki page dedicated for this topic. i think you can do that easily. |
14:39:40 | samarskyrider | aha |
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14:40:01 | DerPapst | w1ll14m: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
14:40:03 | samarskyrider | i've never tried it before, so it looks rather strange |
14:45:16 | amiconn | Slasheri: The repeated remote_plugged events are there to make sure the remote lcd gets initialised |
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15:04:46 | DirkGently | Hello |
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15:06:54 | Ice`` | Hi there. |
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15:07:33 | DirkGently | Hello |
15:08:17 | Ice`` | =] |
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15:09:58 | Ice`` | I would like to know how many users here would be interested by rockbox port on Creative Zen V plus. |
15:10:37 | Ice`` | (I know it is meaningless, it's just for statistic purposes) |
15:10:48 | DirkGently | If I had one? Yeah |
15:11:02 | Ice`` | ^^ |
15:11:21 | DirkGently | Do I? |
15:11:21 | DirkGently | no |
15:11:34 | Ice`` | Ok, I'll ask the question differently. How many people have this mp3 player here? =] |
15:11:52 | Ice`` | DirkGently: I've guessed that =] |
15:12:00 | DirkGently | yeah |
15:12:15 | DirkGently | You wouldn't happen to know of a program for editing ID3 tags, would you? |
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15:12:29 | Ice`` | Hmm, winamp ? =p |
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15:12:35 | DirkGently | that is not some great big hulking media player? |
15:12:50 | Ice`` | Yeah. |
15:12:50 | DirkGently | I need to edit some flac's |
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15:13:11 | Ice`` | DirkGently: and a search on google doesn't fit your needs? |
15:13:17 | obo | DirkGently: check out the UsefulTools page on the wiki? |
15:13:26 | DirkGently | thanks |
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15:14:21 | DirkGently | I did not know about this useful tools page |
15:15:16 | * | gevaerts is reading the log, and also waves at GodEater |
15:15:42 | DerPapst | ;_) |
15:15:54 | DerPapst | err ;-) |
15:15:54 | * | gevaerts the notices that GodEater is now the hypothetical one |
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15:19:15 | gevaerts | Is it somehow possible to read register settings the OF is using on PP502x devices ? |
15:20:21 | samarskyrider | try TagScanner |
15:20:37 | DerPapst | on ipods the apple bootloader sets some registers and if rockbox doesn't touch them you can read them in the debug menu. not sure about other deviced though. |
15:21:31 | samarskyrider | >DerPapst |
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15:22:08 | Slasheri | amiconn: yeah, i found that backlight.c tries to initialize the lcd everytime it gets an event. Finally i just ignored all SYS_EVENTs when reading button data |
15:22:41 | gevaerts | DerPapst: that's probably not sufficient. I want to know how the USB registers need to be initialized for everything to work properly, and I doubt if the bootloader already does that |
15:24:06 | samarskyrider | have you read my post about EvilG build? |
15:25:35 | DerPapst | gevaerts: then you might have to disassemble i guess. Maybe the diskmode image from the aupd image in the apple firmware might be a good start. |
15:26:09 | DerPapst | samarskyrider: have you tried an official build to confirm the buttons work there? |
15:28:24 | amiconn | Slasheri: I think the global SYS_REMOTE_PLUGGED event should only be fired once, although that needs separate handling for the actual lcd init (all the repeated tries) |
15:28:48 | gevaerts | DerPapst: I was afraid of that. Unfortunately I don't have any experience in that field, so I think I'll leave it for now (it's the blocker for high-speed usb support, so if anyone knows how to do this kind of work and wants to use his player with only rockbox, here's what to do) |
15:29:33 | samarskyrider | DerPapst yes, i was using it since june and now decided to try EvilG |
15:29:52 | Slasheri | amiconn: rockbox doesn't know when the lcd gets initialized? |
15:30:15 | amiconn | The lcd is write-only, so no |
15:30:23 | Slasheri | ok |
15:30:31 | amiconn | We just have to try many times, in case the remote is plugged slowly |
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15:31:52 | Slasheri | amiconn: btw, do you want to try the new bootloader 7-pre4 for h100? i just got that in release ready state :) |
15:33:21 | * | amiconn is still running the official bootloader v6 |
15:33:32 | gevaerts | Anyone here familiar with tCardInfo and friends ? I have a report in FS #8562 of usb_storage on a sansa e280 reporting a size exactly 1024 times too small. It works correctly on my c250 and rasher's e260 |
15:33:36 | amiconn | The h180 is too precious to risk it... |
15:33:48 | Slasheri | now it would be a good time to try |
15:33:57 | Slasheri | well, so far no one has bricked it |
15:35:13 | DerPapst | samarskyrider: and a current build works fine too? if so i guess EvilG messed something up. |
15:36:41 | samarskyrider | DerPapst: current build works fine, I've tested. Anyway someone must have came across this problem, because EvilG's build is rather old. I wrote him an email |
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15:39:03 | BigBambi | Slasheri: I can try now to see if the remote is fixed |
15:39:20 | * | BigBambi goes looking for it |
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15:39:46 | Slasheri | BigBambi: great, just a moment so i will commit the changes to svn and provide you the bootloader |
15:40:02 | BigBambi | OK cool |
15:40:06 | DerPapst | samarskyrider: i don't think many users here use that outdated unofficial builds... so... |
15:41:01 | BigBambi | Unsupported builds are unsupported for a reason |
15:41:57 | Slasheri | BigBambi: do you have DCC working? |
15:42:09 | pondlife | Slasheri: Could you help with a move towards a new H300 bootloader release? I'm using SVN quite happily but petur reported some booting issue and amiconn has a disk clunk problem IIRC. |
15:42:52 | Slasheri | pondlife: that would be hard without the actual unit.. so much of extensive testing needs to be done |
15:43:05 | pondlife | Ah, that was my question really |
15:43:20 | pondlife | It seems there is some variety in behaviour across units here. |
15:43:23 | BigBambi | Slasheri: Dunno :) |
15:43:27 | BigBambi | Give it a go :) |
15:43:31 | Slasheri | BigBambi: well, i will try :) |
15:45:13 | Slasheri | hmm, doesn't seem to work. But now i will have something to eat, back soon :) |
15:45:28 | BigBambi | OK |
15:45:45 | BigBambi | Failed DCCs are a hungry business :) |
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15:58:22 | Slasheri | BigBambi: ah, lets try again. the problem was i was somehow unregistered |
15:58:34 | Slasheri | great, it worked |
15:58:37 | BigBambi | that's better :) |
15:58:40 | Slasheri | :) |
15:58:46 | BigBambi | OK, will try now |
15:58:53 | Slasheri | now just wait until i commit the changes |
15:59:09 | Slasheri | you can't try it before that because checksums don't match |
15:59:34 | BigBambi | ah OK |
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16:06:48 | Slasheri | BigBambi: committed. You may try now with the latest SVN build |
16:06:57 | BigBambi | cool, just getting it |
16:07:03 | Slasheri | :) |
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16:07:57 | BigBambi | well, building |
16:08:02 | BigBambi | 'tis quicker |
16:10:26 | BigBambi | Slasheri: Is there a tool to convert the .hex OF to .bin (I've also taken a ROM dump) |
16:10:45 | Slasheri | yep, in tools directory there is descramble-tool |
16:10:52 | BigBambi | OK |
16:10:54 | Slasheri | that can do it |
16:11:21 | Slasheri | it's also planned to support flashing an iriver .hex file directly |
16:11:30 | BigBambi | for now I will just descramble |
16:11:43 | Slasheri | :) but you don't need to do that |
16:11:49 | Slasheri | or are you willing to try? |
16:12:04 | BigBambi | Can do |
16:12:08 | BigBambi | haha, I'm a tool |
16:12:18 | Buschel | horscht: you there? |
16:12:18 | Slasheri | hmm? :D |
16:12:24 | BigBambi | I was wondering why it wouldn't unzip - the player wasn't plugged in :) |
16:12:31 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
16:12:40 | Horscht | yeah |
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16:13:25 | Buschel | horscht: pm is up |
16:13:42 | Horscht | pm? a query? |
16:13:56 | Buschel | private chat, did you receive it? |
16:14:00 | Horscht | if so, no it's not for some reason |
16:14:10 | Horscht | are you registered on this network? |
16:14:53 | Buschel | works now? |
16:15:02 | Horscht | still not. |
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16:15:12 | Buschel | hmm, can you try to contac me? |
16:15:14 | Slasheri | BigBambi: did you got it flashed? |
16:15:19 | Buschel | *contact |
16:15:22 | Horscht | sure, just a second |
16:15:26 | BigBambi | Slasheri: Just about to |
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16:15:46 | Horscht | did you receive it, Buschel? |
16:15:49 | Slasheri | good, i was just worried why you were converting the OF to .bin |
16:16:00 | Buschel | yes, can you see my response? |
16:16:08 | Horscht | no |
16:16:26 | BigBambi | Slasheri: So just to be sure, all I'm doing for now is flashing bootloader.bin? |
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16:16:42 | Horscht | brb, parents got PC problems |
16:16:48 | Slasheri | no |
16:16:54 | Slasheri | the bootloader.iriver |
16:16:55 | BigBambi | good job I checked :) |
16:17:02 | BigBambi | sorry, that is what i meant |
16:17:04 | kpanic | hi, a program for linux that uploads ogg/flac without reencoding in mp3? |
16:17:07 | Slasheri | and that you will flash inside from rockbox |
16:17:10 | BigBambi | yep |
16:17:15 | Slasheri | ok, then it's good |
16:17:38 | Slasheri | i just thought you were going to patch the OF with bootloader.iriver.. and that would just brick your player :) |
16:17:40 | BigBambi | OK, it flashed fine |
16:17:58 | BigBambi | Now to see if it'll boot from the remote |
16:18:03 | Slasheri | :) |
16:18:29 | BigBambi | Slasheri: success! |
16:18:37 | Slasheri | hehe, great! |
16:19:28 | kpanic | I'm using gtkpod |
16:20:36 | BigBambi | Slasheri: Any other testing required? |
16:21:13 | Horscht | kpanic, any filemanager. Gtkpod is for managing music on your ipod for use with the official FW |
16:21:18 | Horscht | and oficial FW can't play ogg and flac |
16:21:45 | BigBambi | kpanic: Just drag and drop |
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16:21:57 | kpanic | in what folder? |
16:22:15 | BigBambi | Wherever you want |
16:22:20 | kpanic | ok |
16:22:25 | BigBambi | In .rockbox is a bad idea though |
16:22:31 | kpanic | right, just installed rockbox |
16:22:41 | BigBambi | Just make /Music or /WhateverYouWant |
16:22:44 | Horscht | any you like |
16:22:44 | Horscht | all you have to do from within rockbox, is to browse to that file |
16:22:45 | Horscht | and play it |
16:22:55 | kpanic | ok, thanks people |
16:24:05 | Slasheri | BigBambi: nothing more comes in mind |
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16:24:46 | BigBambi | OK :) |
16:24:49 | Slasheri | XavierGr: are you here? you could try now the h100 version of the fixed bl :) |
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16:29:24 | redwings0921 | hi can any1 help me? |
16:31:12 | krazykit | have you read the irc guidelines linked in the topic yet? |
16:31:31 | redwings0921 | no |
16:31:42 | krazykit | please do so before asking your question :) |
16:31:49 | redwings0921 | k |
16:32:27 | redwings0921 | hah i see i already broke 1 rule by asking for help =) |
16:32:49 | redwings0921 | ok i read it |
16:33:23 | redwings0921 | im using winff to convert some movie to my iriver h10 but every time i convert this movie the sound is behind like 15 seconds |
16:33:31 | BigBambi | any1 also broke them :) |
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16:34:40 | redwings0921 | has my problem ever happened to any1 else b4? |
16:34:44 | BigBambi | Slasheri: Is there any disadvantage of the ROM image over the RAM image (in terms of user use) given the ROM image saves a little bit of RAM? |
16:34:52 | BigBambi | redwings0921: Please use proper words |
16:35:21 | Slasheri | BigBambi: yes, if you want to update a new ram/rom image to flash you must first boot from disk or a ram image |
16:35:37 | Slasheri | so flashing doesn't work when running rom image. No other disadvantages |
16:35:46 | BigBambi | OK, cheers |
16:35:56 | * | BigBambi waves goodbye to the OF |
16:35:59 | BigBambi | good ridence |
16:36:00 | Slasheri | :) |
16:36:06 | redwings0921 | Ok. I am using WinFF to convert movies to my IRiver H10 but whenever I convert it the sound is always behind like 15 seconds. Does anyone have a solution? |
16:37:12 | krazykit | when you play the converted video on your computer, are the sound and video properly in sync? |
16:37:34 | redwings0921 | yes, i have already checked that |
16:37:55 | n1s | have you enabled frame skipping in mpegplayer? |
16:38:05 | redwings0921 | may i ask wat that is? |
16:38:33 | * | BigBambi suggests the manual |
16:38:59 | redwings0921 | h/o let me try it |
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16:39:38 | BigBambi | redwings0921: PLEASE use proper words. We have many blind people who use screen readers and many people without English as a first language, and we try to help them out |
16:39:49 | redwings0921 | sorry |
16:39:53 | redwings0921 | my bad |
16:40:34 | redwings0921 | When i enabled frame skipping it went into the movie for about 10 seconds and then ended |
16:40:57 | BigBambi | What properties does the movie have? |
16:41:07 | BigBambi | i.e. bitrate, size etc |
16:41:11 | redwings0921 | before or after the transfer? |
16:41:20 | BigBambi | after you have converted it |
16:41:31 | redwings0921 | one second |
16:42:36 | Nico_P | gevaerts: what would I need to do to test the USB stack on the gigabeat S? |
16:43:31 | redwings0921 | BigBambi: For some reason I can not view the video properties while it is in the H10. |
16:43:49 | BigBambi | Well look at in on your PC before you transfer it |
16:44:06 | BigBambi | Or just tell me what settings you put into WinFF for the conversion |
16:45:12 | redwings0921 | Ok i will give you both |
16:45:19 | XavierGr | Slasheri: Nice commits, can't test right now though, I don't have the player with me, I will try later |
16:45:30 | XavierGr | Slasheri: I guess I will remove my patch now |
16:45:34 | redwings0921 | -acodec mp3 -ab 128 -ar 44100 -vcodec mpeg2video -s 160x96 -b 224kb -strict -1 |
16:45:42 | redwings0921 | that is what i am using for the winff |
16:45:42 | BigBambi | OK |
16:45:47 | redwings0921 | it is one of the presets |
16:45:50 | gevaerts | Nico_P: Good question. I guess apply the patch, check if USB_BASE is set correctly, make sure usb-drv-pp502x.c is compiled in, and try |
16:45:52 | BigBambi | yeah, looks fine |
16:45:55 | Slasheri | XavierGr: great. i will upload the h100 patch to the wiki as soon as you have verified it :) |
16:46:22 | Slasheri | XavierGr: can i dcc it for you? |
16:46:24 | redwings0921 | one second and i will get you movie information before conversion |
16:46:27 | XavierGr | sure |
16:46:30 | Slasheri | great |
16:46:39 | gevaerts | Nico_P: usb-drv-pp502x should probably be moved somewhere else. It should support all ARC-based controllers. |
16:46:41 | BigBambi | redwings0921: I'm not too bothered about that |
16:46:49 | BigBambi | It is the information after conversion |
16:46:52 | redwings0921 | ok |
16:47:07 | BigBambi | the conversion line itself looks fine |
16:47:10 | redwings0921 | i can try converting for a third time and see my results |
16:47:18 | BigBambi | Can you play the converted one on your PC? |
16:47:22 | Slasheri | XavierGr: it would be great if you could also test with the included test sequence |
16:47:24 | Nico_P | gevaerts: ok, I'll try that. |
16:47:24 | BigBambi | i.e. after conversion |
16:47:26 | redwings0921 | yes |
16:47:31 | gevaerts | Nico_P: Once you get everything built there's a good chance of it working, since we actually used the imx31 manual as our reference |
16:47:32 | redwings0921 | and sound is messed up |
16:47:42 | BigBambi | ah, so it is the conversion that is wrong |
16:48:10 | redwings0921 | i believe so |
16:48:28 | redwings0921 | and this movie is really funny and i want to watch it in study hall on monday |
16:48:36 | BigBambi | OK, now I do care - what was the source? And I assume it does play properly on your PC? |
16:49:14 | redwings0921 | it plays perfectly on my PC and my source is a torrent |
16:49:28 | BigBambi | sorry, for source I meant properties |
16:49:37 | redwings0921 | ok |
16:49:55 | redwings0921 | what is the source? |
16:50:10 | redwings0921 | like how do i find it? |
16:51:13 | redwings0921 | Audio bit rate is 128 kbps |
16:51:20 | redwings0921 | it is an avi file |
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16:52:21 | redwings0921 | the frame rate is 23, the total bitrate is 152, the frame height is 352, the frame width is 608 and the data rate was 24 |
16:52:34 | BigBambi | hmmm |
16:52:45 | Nico_P | gevaerts: any idea what I should set USB_BASE to? |
16:53:48 | Nico_P | there seems to be problems with UNCACHED_ADDR too |
16:54:05 | gevaerts | Nico_P: Not really. I guess it should be somewhere in the iMX31 reference manual |
16:54:11 | BigBambi | redwings0921: I'm afraid it is very difficult to diagnose without being able to see it, and I don't do that much conversion. |
16:54:22 | Nico_P | ok I'll look it up |
16:54:24 | XavierGr | Slasheri: do you want to restore the OF too before trying? |
16:54:43 | XavierGr | ot just flash with the plugin bootloader.iriver, rombox.iriver and rockbox.iriver? |
16:54:50 | XavierGr | s/ot/or |
16:54:58 | gevaerts | Nico_P: I don't know anything about how UNCACHED_ADDR is supposed to work. Probably best to ask one of the core people. |
16:55:22 | Slasheri | XavierGr: if you want to do the full extensive test, please follow the included release.txt :) |
16:55:28 | redwings0921 | Bigbambi: ok thank you for your help. should i try another movie and convert that and see if it works... maybe its just the movie having problems |
16:55:43 | BigBambi | could be, and is worth a go |
16:56:04 | Slasheri | XavierGr: however, i think simpler tests are too enough |
16:56:39 | redwings0921 | BigBambi: I am currently in the middle of trying to convert it again but this time i am also including a system file it came with |
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16:57:21 | gevaerts | Nico_P: I guess USB_BASE might be 0x43F8_8000 (from page 32-5 in MCIMX31RM.pdf) |
16:57:48 | Nico_P | I was looking at the same page :) |
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17:00:27 | gevaerts | Nico_P: UNCACHED_ADDR seems to be a pp502x-only thing. Maybe just define it to nothing for now ? |
17:01:11 | Nico_P | there are a few other values that need defining |
17:01:31 | Nico_P | USB_IRAM_ORIGIN, CPU_INT_EN, USB_MASK |
17:02:05 | Nico_P | (note that I haven't applied your patch yet) |
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17:04:52 | Nico_P | I need to find how to enable the USB interrupt on the S |
17:05:56 | gevaerts | USB_IRAM_ORIGIN shouldn't matter. It's only used in usb_benchmark.c, which you don't really need. The other two are used to enable the interrupt. |
17:06:21 | Buschel | can anyone please change flyspray #8568 from "bug" to "patch"? |
17:06:55 | pondlife | Done |
17:07:00 | Nico_P | gevaerts: I guess I need to use the USB_OTG IRQ |
17:07:03 | Buschel | thanks |
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17:08:13 | Buschel | soap: you there? |
17:08:45 | soap | just got up |
17:08:56 | soap | I was about to ask you, Buschel, what you wanted builds for. |
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17:09:41 | Buschel | ah, ok. seems like backrolling jhMikeS' spinlock change solves the HDD problems with 5G 60/80GB. can you include it in your builds? |
17:09:47 | soap | sure can |
17:09:48 | * | Nico_P leaves... back later |
17:10:54 | soap | I'm going to run downstairs and brew some coffee, when I come back I can build twin builds - one for pcf-06 and one for pcf-07. All targets? |
17:11:07 | Buschel | soap: what do you think about trying to get the DD patch to svn and do all the PCF-stuff later on in another patch-entry? |
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17:15:14 | pondlife | Silly question, where are the keymaps defined for the H300 non-LCD remote? |
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17:16:05 | pondlife | Currently the long PLAY on the WPS maps to the pitch screen. I'd prefer it to be SELECT (i.e. back to browser) |
17:16:47 | pondlife | I'd assume that a browser is generally more used than the pitch screen... |
17:18:30 | pondlife | Buschel: In general, it's a good idea to get smaller pieces of work into SVN, rather than waiting for the big commit. |
17:18:35 | gevaerts | There's a page on the wiki somewhere that has an overview of all supported players and a summary their hardware specs, but I can't find it. Can anyone point me in the right direction ? |
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17:20:23 | pondlife | gevaerts: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus is probably not the one, but might be useful? |
17:20:36 | Sebia2 | Hi rockers, i have a JBM 20 and i want to use it has system for my slug(debian/GNU) It's possible to run system rockbox and use others partitions by another system ? |
17:22:19 | BigBambi | rockbox will search for the first FAT32 partition and try to boot from that as aI understand it |
17:22:40 | gevaerts | pondlife: no. I found that one, and I can probably use it to find all info I want, but IIRC there's a page somewhere with a table with pictures and specs of all/most players |
17:22:47 | Sebia2 | and if i connect on usb, rockbox continu or not |
17:22:57 | pondlife | gevaerts: There is, but I can't see it either |
17:23:11 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
17:23:13 | BigBambi | Sebia2: I don't understand that sentence |
17:23:55 | gevaerts | pondlife: that's the one. Thanks |
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17:23:55 | Sebia2 | Sorry BB, |
17:24:54 | Sebia2 | BigBambi : if i connect my JBM with USB on my Slug . ROckbox can work at the same time. |
17:25:23 | Buschel | soap: I'll post a svn-candidate patch-version (v15) in a minute. |
17:25:26 | BigBambi | What is a slug? And no, if you have mounted the drive over USB, rockbox cannot operate at the same time |
17:25:28 | Sebia2 | BigBambi : with officiel system i had USB connected do not disconnect. And i cannot use it |
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17:25:38 | BigBambi | Sebia2: That is always true |
17:25:39 | Sebia2 | shit :( |
17:25:53 | BigBambi | You cannot have the OS and rockbox accesing the drive |
17:26:20 | Sebia2 | Really :( ..... http://www.nslu2-linux.org/ |
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17:26:45 | Sebia2 | SThis is a slug http://www.stillhq.com/diary/pictures/nslu2.jpg |
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17:27:08 | pondlife | Hmm, the H300 non-remote LCD table has no menu button... so what's BUTTON_RC_MENU? |
17:27:40 | Sebia2 | BigBambi : On slug you don't have hard disk, that s why i would like to use my JBM 20 |
17:27:41 | petur2 | you mean non-LCD remote? |
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17:27:58 | pondlife | petur2: Yes |
17:28:18 | pondlife | The tables in keymap-h1x0_h3x0 seem very odd |
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17:28:45 | petur2 | I only get out the remote if somebody mentions a bug ;) |
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17:29:29 | pondlife | petur: Maybe I'm not understanding, any chance you could educate me? |
17:29:34 | soap | Buschel, I'm honoured you asked me, but I'm just your mule in this exercise - my opinion is the DD stuff has shown no bugs yet - and anecdotally it appears at least twice as many people are using this build as are reporting runtime tests - suggesting many are using it as their daily build. |
17:30:05 | BigBambi | DD being device disable? |
17:30:09 | soap | yea |
17:30:10 | Horscht | yes |
17:30:17 | soap | jynx - owe me a coke. |
17:30:17 | petur | pondlife: nevermind me, I only have an LCD remote :/ |
17:30:42 | pondlife | petur: OK. Are there only 2 types of remote? |
17:30:46 | pondlife | i.e. LCD and non-LCD |
17:30:50 | Horscht | I use it as my daily build as well. It's just that it enhances my battery life. that's awesome |
17:30:51 | BigBambi | I use Buschel's patch on the E200 with no problems. I haven't reported any runtimes as it seemed to be covered on that |
17:31:07 | BigBambi | pondlife: Three I suppose - non-lcd, H100 lcd and H300 lcd |
17:31:26 | soap | I'll build a SVN candidate build - ask for people to abuse it - and also build the two pcf builds - ask for runtime on those? |
17:31:29 | pondlife | Ah, I assumed the H100 LCD and H300 LCD were the same |
17:31:38 | BigBambi | Well, they look different certainly :) |
17:31:46 | BigBambi | I don't know about internally |
17:31:53 | pondlife | OK, they probably are then |
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17:32:15 | soap | It is not normally good practice to have people testing two patches at once (re: spinlock revert) - but I assume in this case it is kosher as the spinlock patch is a revert of a specific action? |
17:32:18 | pondlife | The non-LCD has no way to get to the browser, but it does have a way to get to the pitchscreen. This is silly IMHO. |
17:32:35 | Horscht | it is, soap |
17:32:38 | BigBambi | pondlife: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KeymapIriverHSeries |
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17:33:17 | Horscht | it's a revert of a change introduced with svn 16005, which caused the disk trashing on 5G/5.5G ipods |
17:33:22 | soap | Horscht, "it is" as in "it is kosher" or as in "it is not good practice" |
17:33:35 | pondlife | BigBambi: Yes, that's what it does.. but I'd like to be able to get from WPS to browser somehow |
17:33:41 | Horscht | it should be kosher, soap |
17:33:49 | pondlife | There is no STOP or SELECT on the remote |
17:33:55 | BigBambi | Sure, I just meant that so you could see the three different remotes |
17:34:07 | BigBambi | All of which work on both Hx0 and H3x0 |
17:34:28 | pondlife | OK, I only need to modify the H300 non-LCD |
17:34:48 | pondlife | But I need educating as to how the keymap tables work |
17:35:39 | pondlife | There's no dedicated table for the non-LCD |
17:36:31 | pondlife | I don't suppose it's even possible to detect it and use a different table, is it? |
17:36:52 | pondlife | It just gets a subset of the other ones, hence no browse |
17:36:53 | BigBambi | well rthere are some dedicated parts |
17:36:53 | n1s | I think it is detected |
17:37:14 | BigBambi | I see things like static const struct button_mapping button_context_quickscreen_nonlcdremote[] |
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17:38:00 | n1s | line 818 case REMOTETYPE_H300_NONLCD: /* FIXME: add its tables */ |
17:38:05 | BigBambi | But it looks like to do it nicely you might want to split the three out fully |
17:38:14 | pondlife | Yes |
17:38:28 | pondlife | I'll just do the WPS first |
17:38:46 | pondlife | Don't want to make a big red delta ;) |
17:38:48 | Sebia2 | HI, It's possible to drive LCD (on JBM 20) when USB is connected ? |
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17:38:52 | BigBambi | heh |
17:39:08 | BigBambi | Sebia2: To do what? There is an image on screen sure |
17:39:25 | BigBambi | But you cannot have disk access |
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17:44:06 | Buschel | soap: v15 is up. please use it together with fs#8568 for all targets. pcf06/pcf07 are test builds only −− can you add them additionally for iPod Video 64MB? |
17:44:21 | soap | only for the iPod video 64? |
17:44:26 | Buschel | yes. |
17:44:30 | soap | on it. |
17:44:59 | Buschel | thanks so much! one build takes 28min here... |
17:45:56 | soap | I won't tell you how fast make -j3 && make zip takes here then. |
17:46:10 | Buschel | tell me |
17:46:15 | BigBambi | 28 seconds? :) |
17:46:27 | * | Buschel sighs |
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17:46:50 | BigBambi | nah, a bit more than that for me |
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17:49:12 | soap | still would like to see a RMAA comparison between SVN and DDv15 with its lower voltage for the WM codec supply. Maybe I'm paranoid. |
17:49:17 | Sebia2 | BigBambi: if i host my system on JBM 20, i want to use LCD to display information |
17:49:26 | soap | am I just overly paranoid? |
17:49:42 | BigBambi | Sebia2: Then would have to write something for it which is off topic for here |
17:50:22 | Sebia2 | BigBambi: sorry my english it's good |
17:50:29 | BigBambi | Buschel: About 1 min 10 for E200 normal from make clean here |
17:50:49 | BigBambi | Sebia2: Your English is fine, but this channel is for Rockbox |
17:51:09 | Buschel | BigBambi: factor of 24 then... maybe I should _really_ buy a new PC |
17:51:39 | BigBambi | Soap is even quicker... Mine is just on a laptop (oh, and I just did make, not a zip too) |
17:52:14 | Buschel | see you later −− gotta play with my son, he's crying for me :) |
17:54:33 | BigBambi | Buschel: With ccache, 52 seconds for make && make fullzip |
17:57:12 | Horscht | mine takes 4 minutes :/ |
17:57:21 | Horscht | just make |
17:59:01 | Sebia2 | But Rockbox manage the LCD when Archos is connected on usb ? |
17:59:33 | BigBambi | Yes? |
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18:05:43 | Sebia2 | Rockbox can change info on LCD when it's connected by usb ? |
18:06:14 | pondlife | Anyone understand the keymapping stuff well. LAST_ITEM_IN_LIST__NEXTLIST(...) and CONTEXT_CUSTOM are mystifying me. |
18:06:29 | pondlife | That was a question, btw |
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18:07:37 | Genesis | yop |
18:10:41 | gevaerts | Look like reading from USB works a lot better if I lower the cpu speed on the player. |
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18:13:16 | rasher | gevaerts: does that make any sort of sense? |
18:14:06 | rasher | gevaerts: are you working on getting the current work in a committable state (to have *something*) or do you want to get hi-speed working? |
18:15:22 | gevaerts | rasher: It basically waits for the transfer to complete using a loop that just counts iterations until a maximum is reached. That's clearly not the right thing to do, but I didn't clean up that part yet. |
18:17:20 | gevaerts | rasher: I'm basically out of ideas about high-speed, so I'm concentrating on cleanup work. I think that cleanup should also include making it non-PP specific (since the Gigabeat S uses the same USB controller). |
18:19:11 | gevaerts | Is there an efficient way to measure time intervals to handle timeouts properly ? |
18:20:25 | Nico_P | gevaerts: I'm back with a bit of time to try getting it to compile for the S |
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18:20:58 | gevaerts | Nico_P: great. |
18:21:44 | Nico_P | gevaerts: you can use tick values |
18:21:49 | Nico_P | and TIME_AFTER |
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18:22:22 | midgey | hmm seems people are distributing an svn bootloader for the h300 on MR |
18:23:30 | Nico_P | gevaerts: is there a handler func for the USB IRQ? |
18:23:39 | gevaerts | Nico_P: I guess current_tick is the current value, and HZ is the number of ticks in 1 second ? |
18:23:49 | Nico_P | yes |
18:25:05 | BigBambi | midgey: Are you registered there? |
18:25:05 | gevaerts | Nico_P: usb_drv_int() in usb-drv-pp502x.c |
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18:30:46 | Nico_P | it compiles :) |
18:30:58 | gevaerts | Now will it work ? |
18:31:10 | Nico_P | I somehow doubt it :p |
18:32:59 | gevaerts | Pessimist ! |
18:33:01 | * | Domonoky just created his first voicefile with rbutil with cli interface :-) |
18:33:06 | Nico_P | is something supposed to happen when I plug USB in with the SVN code? |
18:33:12 | pondlife | Domonoky: Great |
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18:34:27 | gevaerts | Nico_P: depends. On my sansa c250, nothing happens on the LCD (there should be a USB connect screen, but I don't get that for some reason), and the PC should see a connection. |
18:34:44 | Nico_P | linux didn't see anything here |
18:34:50 | Nico_P | is it worth trying with your patch? |
18:35:28 | gevaerts | Nico_P: No. That doesn't change anything in the basic connection detect code. |
18:35:43 | Nico_P | ok |
18:35:48 | saratoga | does anyone object to buschel's current patch going into SVN? |
18:35:58 | saratoga | the only questionable thing I saw was changing the default clock to 24MHz |
18:36:28 | saratoga | and he had pretty good justification for that since it significantly helps battery life on FLAC and MPC |
18:36:38 | Nico_P | I guess someone with more low level knowledge than me will have to take a look (e.g. jhMikeS) |
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18:38:21 | gevaerts | Nico_P: I think you should get an interrupt on connect. |
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18:38:39 | pondlife | saratoga: Does 24MHz make the UI less responsive? |
18:38:51 | Nico_P | maybe I could add a splash in the interrupt handler to see if it gets fired |
18:39:02 | pondlife | (I don't have a PP target to try.) |
18:39:27 | saratoga | pondlife: i never noticed it on my E200, but I don't know about the ipods |
18:39:46 | pondlife | iPod Video would be the target to check |
18:39:47 | Nico_P | hmm the splash is apps/ code... :/ |
18:39:50 | Horscht | it does not appear so. At least I didn't notice any laggs on my 5G 80GB |
18:40:00 | Horscht | but I only used mp3 |
18:40:11 | gevaerts | Nico_P: logf() ? |
18:40:13 | saratoga | i suppose at 24MHz you are boosted much of the time anyway for mp3 |
18:40:25 | Nico_P | yeah maybe |
18:40:27 | Nico_P | I'll try |
18:40:30 | Horscht | not sure wether other formats lag or not |
18:40:53 | pondlife | saratoga: Could that not reduce battery life for MP3 ? |
18:41:07 | saratoga | pondlife: surprisingly it does not |
18:41:27 | saratoga | the PP chips appear to have a fairly linear power/clock relationship |
18:41:34 | pondlife | Good |
18:41:44 | saratoga | and we do not currently adjust the voltage when unboosted |
18:42:16 | pondlife | On another topic - any Iriver LCD remote users around? Please give http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8569 a try - you shouldn't notice any change. |
18:42:33 | soap | saratoga, I'm in the process of making DDv15 builds and posting them for abuse testing - do you want that done first before commit? |
18:42:56 | saratoga | soap: i haven't followed the thread in the forums closely so i'm not sure |
18:43:01 | Horscht | DDv15? |
18:43:04 | saratoga | do you think more testing is needed? |
18:43:25 | soap | Device Disable patch v15 AKA SVN candidate 1. |
18:44:09 | Horscht | ah, was just added to fs |
18:44:31 | soap | Honestly, no - but I'm building SVN+DDv15+spinlock rollback, SVN+spinlock rollback, and SVN for possible bug chasing. |
18:44:36 | midgey | BigBambi: i think i'm registered there, i'll have to check |
18:44:59 | Nico_P | hmm there seems to be absolutely no logf output, so maybe logf just doesn't work |
18:44:59 | BigBambi | Might be worth posting a big offical disclaimer |
18:45:35 | soap | as I mentioned previously - download numbers strongly suggest many more people are using the DD builds than are reporting battery life numbers in the thread - suggesting a large userbase already - and no verifiable bugs reported. |
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18:45:58 | saratoga | soap: yeah i think this will be the most tested patch ever committed |
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18:46:41 | saratoga | regardless i'd like to get the go ahead from amiconn or one of the other ipod developers before we change their clock speed code around |
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18:47:47 | Nico_P | haha usb_detect for the S is just "return 0" |
18:48:14 | Nico_P | no wonder nothing happens |
18:49:53 | gevaerts | Nico_P: you might try borrowing from usb-fw-pp502x.c |
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18:50:21 | Nico_P | indeed. did you change it in your patch? |
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18:51:15 | Nico_P | hmm thing is usb_init_device is empty and I have no idea what's needed |
18:51:31 | Nico_P | same for usb_enable. |
18:51:57 | gevaerts | Nico_P: I just removed the reboot stuff from usb_enable() |
18:52:49 | gevaerts | Nico_P: and added somethingas well : usb_enable needs to call usb_core_init() if on==1, else usb_core_exit() |
18:53:23 | Nico_P | gevaerts: usb_enable and usb_init_device are simply empty for the S. |
18:53:34 | Nico_P | I guess nothing can work without usb_device_init? |
18:54:18 | midgey | BigBambi: how does this sound http://www.pastebin.ca/897582 |
18:56:13 | BigBambi | midgey: Sounds fine, but I think you missed "flashing" after during in the second sentence :) |
18:56:37 | midgey | indeed I did |
18:56:40 | DerPapst | "restore the device had something gone wrong." sounds a bit like broken grammer? |
18:56:53 | Horscht | no |
18:56:56 | Horscht | perfect english |
18:57:00 | gevaerts | Nico_P: probably not. I'm not sure what's really needed there. Maybe svn blame can tell you who to ask what it does. |
18:57:07 | DerPapst | then my english is broken |
18:57:13 | Horscht | it might sound broken to non native speakers, DerPapst |
18:57:22 | midgey | I also added a part about including an MD5 sum |
18:57:34 | BigBambi | DerPapst: Not, that English is fine |
18:57:40 | BigBambi | s/not/no |
18:58:02 | DerPapst | ok.. i'd probably replave had with "in case"... but whatever. |
18:58:11 | DerPapst | *replace |
18:58:13 | BigBambi | That would work to |
18:58:18 | BigBambi | *too |
18:58:29 | DerPapst | and sound less broken to non native speakers :-P |
18:58:49 | BigBambi | You would have to change gone to went as well |
18:59:11 | DerPapst | yupp |
18:59:21 | BigBambi | "restore the device in case something gone wrong." is horrible english |
18:59:31 | Horscht | engrish |
18:59:50 | DerPapst | i forgot about "went".. i'm sorry |
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19:00:03 | * | DerPapst got only a 4 in english at school |
19:00:18 | Horscht | thou shalt be horribly punished |
19:00:36 | * | DerPapst runs away and hides |
19:00:49 | BigBambi | DerPapst: Forgiven :) |
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19:02:27 | DerPapst | thanks :-) |
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19:29:39 | soap | grrrr - the [list] and [li] tags are broken on the forums. |
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19:47:50 | GodEater | from the wiki page I'm given to understand the button driver for the beast is now done |
19:48:01 | GodEater | is the routine for powering it off not done then ? :) |
19:48:30 | gevaerts | I fixed some timeout stuff, so now UMS is a lot more stable. I still get resets, but only about one every 100 or 200 MB instead of every 30MB |
19:49:36 | GodEater | excellent work that man :) |
19:49:41 | GodEater | btw, thanks for the wave :) |
19:49:46 | saratoga | what causes the resets anyway? |
19:49:54 | bluebrother | gevaerts: how is write support progressing? Is it safe to try? |
19:50:18 | * | GodEater can't wait for UMS to be available on the S, MTP is so painful |
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19:50:26 | BigBambi | GodEater: Are you pimping for waves now? If so, *waves* |
19:50:42 | gevaerts | bluebrother: I copied about 1GB of data to it since this morning without any corruption |
19:50:43 | GodEater | BigBambi: doesn't count - you're only allowed to wave to log readers :) |
19:51:16 | BigBambi | Well I saw it earlier, but didn't realise how much it meant to you :) |
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19:51:27 | bluebrother | cool :) |
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19:51:41 | * | Domonoky has now a rbutilqt which can install bootloader, rockbox, fonts, doomfiles, voicefile, and create voicefiles and talkfiles.... uninstall and themes are missing :-) |
19:51:46 | GodEater | it didn't really - but gevaerts was the only one to do it, so I thought I'd acknowledge it :) |
19:51:58 | BigBambi | :) |
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19:52:13 | GodEater | Domonoky: so the next thing on your list is to make it support installing over mtp :) |
19:52:13 | gevaerts | saratoga: At least some of them are caused by the transfer timing out too soon, so that's mostly tuning. |
19:52:15 | * | Domonoky means a rbutilqt with cli interface :-) |
19:52:30 | bluebrother | Domonoky: just wanted to ask this ... rbutilqt can do this since quite a while ;-) |
19:52:54 | bluebrother | what do you think about creating a new release before the cli gets release? |
19:52:56 | GodEater | what does the cli give you ? |
19:53:13 | bluebrother | are there much changes to the core stuff itself? |
19:53:25 | Domonoky | console interface, especially for blinds and visually impaired.. |
19:53:34 | GodEater | ah ha - that's very useful! |
19:53:57 | Domonoky | bluebrother: not much changes to the core, its mostly in a seperate dir.. :-) |
19:54:40 | bluebrother | great. So we could add those minimal changes soon and create a new release? |
19:54:52 | bluebrother | and after that bugfix the cli and release 1.1? |
19:54:57 | Domonoky | yes.. |
19:55:08 | bluebrother | btw, how does the cli look? |
19:55:49 | Domonoky | i will commit those minimal shortly, and try to make a static test version of the cli interface |
19:56:43 | bluebrother | tell me when we can create a new release |
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19:58:25 | gevaerts | I should probably start adding version numbers to my patches |
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19:59:01 | GodEater | :) |
19:59:26 | Domonoky | bluebrother: it would be good to have some testers of the svn version. But we could make a release next few days.. |
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20:01:24 | bluebrother | well, I just posted a new binary of svn (as requested in the forms) |
20:02:16 | bluebrother | hopefully we get some reports for that |
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20:07:22 | Domonoky | bluebrother: FS #8571 :-) |
20:11:07 | bluebrother | Domonoky: missed the attachment? |
20:13:47 | GodEater | hypothetical question: |
20:14:01 | GodEater | assume for the sake of argument that the gigabeat S port is complete |
20:14:11 | BigBambi | ... |
20:14:11 | GodEater | how are we going to manage the install |
20:14:47 | GodEater | currently, we have to send a patched firmware to it over mtp just to get it to boot our code |
20:14:48 | Domonoky | bluebrother: ups :-) |
20:14:59 | BigBambi | Well, if the bootloader has USB, a sendfirm based tool to patch the bootloader, then rockbox usb mode to install build? |
20:15:12 | GodEater | the bootloader as it stands at the moment (iiuc) looks for a file with a given header in it to load |
20:15:17 | GodEater | that file has to be sent over mtp too |
20:15:48 | GodEater | I can't see anyway to get a complete ".rockbox" directory sent to the device as the first part of the install |
20:15:56 | BigBambi | Me neither |
20:15:59 | Domonoky | how do you send this firmware over mtp ? |
20:16:13 | GodEater | we have to load it in three stages I think |
20:16:22 | GodEater | unless our firmware patch can enable a UMS mode too |
20:16:26 | BigBambi | Hence make to bootloader look for rockbox.gigabeat like normal but give it USB so we can use bootloader USB to transfer the builf |
20:16:37 | BigBambi | If possible of course :) |
20:16:48 | GodEater | and at that point, I think, this will be the first rockbox install where we have to install the bootloader first ? |
20:16:55 | bluebrother | Domonoky: there are ui_*.h files included. Is that intentional? |
20:17:00 | BigBambi | Probably, but I see no other way |
20:17:14 | GodEater | Domonoky: code is in utils/MTP/ if you're interested |
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20:17:46 | Domonoky | bluebrother: no, not intended, but doesnt hurt.. |
20:17:55 | bluebrother | oh, and btw: I think we could make the cli interface a folder parallel to rbutilqt, i.e. something like rbutil/rbutilcli |
20:17:56 | GodEater | otherwise, we'll have to load the patched firmware to get our bootloader on device, send a "raw" rockbox.gigabeat to get UMS, and then send the rest of the files over that way |
20:18:13 | GodEater | discuss |
20:18:21 | Domonoky | bluebrother: yes, would be possible.. |
20:18:26 | bluebrother | and then put a second project file to rbutil/ |
20:18:35 | bluebrother | looks somewhat cleaner IMO. |
20:18:39 | BigBambi | Can we not have a bootloader USB mode with UMS to send the whole build at once? |
20:19:07 | GodEater | BigBambi: I don't know - I assume we can - but I'm not certain of course :) |
20:19:19 | BigBambi | me neither |
20:19:50 | BigBambi | In which case we just need to transfer the patched firmware (+ bootloader), then use bootloader UMS mode to copy the build over |
20:19:58 | GodEater | I assume a "release" bootloader will default to RB too |
20:19:58 | Domonoky | bluebrother: sure, will remember it for the nex rbutil cli session :-) |
20:20:22 | GodEater | which means first boot of the device will fail |
20:20:23 | BigBambi | GodEater: I would certainly hope so |
20:20:29 | BigBambi | Yeah |
20:20:31 | bluebrother | nice. Please keep posting to the tracker entry −− I want to watch progress on my end too ;-) |
20:20:38 | BigBambi | People will have to read the instructions! |
20:20:43 | GodEater | and leave newbies that didn't read that far upset :) |
20:20:55 | BigBambi | Their own fault to be honest |
20:21:04 | * | GodEater thinks that this hypothetical bootloader should have an "installation mode" |
20:21:12 | BigBambi | I still can't believe people replace the firmware on their devices without reading first |
20:21:20 | BigBambi | Despite all the evidence to the contrary |
20:21:21 | GodEater | i.e., if it doesn't detect a .rockbox directory, then it needs to tell the user |
20:21:43 | GodEater | not just say "couldn't load rockbox.gigabeat" |
20:21:43 | BigBambi | Well, much like the current bootloaders "can't find rockbox.ipod" etc |
20:21:52 | BigBambi | What is the difference? |
20:22:01 | GodEater | user friendliness |
20:22:01 | BigBambi | Just a more verbose message? |
20:22:05 | GodEater | it won't matter to you or I |
20:22:29 | GodEater | but it would be nicer if at that stage it said something like "New installation: please plug device into your PC and run rbutil" |
20:22:31 | GodEater | or some such |
20:22:51 | BigBambi | Something like ".rockbox directory not found, please connect to PC and install build" (but better written) |
20:23:08 | GodEater | I guess we can work on that bit |
20:23:22 | BigBambi | yeah |
20:23:30 | BigBambi | But I think the pronciple is the easiest way |
20:23:34 | GodEater | but again this will be the first rockbox install which requires a disconnect and reboot of the device to get a working build |
20:23:48 | BigBambi | I don't see a better way |
20:24:06 | GodEater | nor I currently |
20:24:07 | BigBambi | Unless we improve libmtp to deal properly with directories etc. |
20:24:12 | GodEater | that's not possible |
20:24:17 | GodEater | MTP is file system agnostic |
20:24:20 | GodEater | and is designed to be so |
20:24:23 | BigBambi | Windows manages it |
20:24:29 | GodEater | does it ? |
20:24:34 | GodEater | how do you know ? |
20:24:38 | BigBambi | i.e. I can create directories in windows |
20:24:50 | BigBambi | Not libmtp in particular, I mean MTP in general |
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20:24:55 | GodEater | no - you can create things which windows displays as directories |
20:25:00 | BigBambi | ah, OK |
20:25:05 | GodEater | there's no saying that's how they're presented on the device |
20:25:12 | BigBambi | fair enough |
20:25:15 | GodEater | should you connect to the disk directly |
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20:25:23 | BigBambi | In that case there is no choice |
20:25:38 | GodEater | I only say this because this is how I've understood what I've read of the MTP spec |
20:25:39 | Domonoky | bootloader USB mode.. :-) |
20:25:50 | BigBambi | That is what I have been saying... |
20:26:04 | GodEater | yes I think you're right |
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20:26:16 | GodEater | I was just thinking it through |
20:26:24 | GodEater | and seeing if I'd missed anything obvious |
20:26:32 | BigBambi | Yeah, needs some thinking about alright |
20:27:05 | BigBambi | I just don't see a way of transferring a build properly without a rockbox USB mode |
20:27:25 | GodEater | I don't think there is a way |
20:27:32 | BigBambi | And there is no point buggering about transferring a rockbox.gigabeat if people only then need to connect to install a full build |
20:27:39 | BigBambi | Just do the whole lot in the bootloader |
20:27:39 | GodEater | indeed |
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20:27:52 | GodEater | well |
20:28:09 | GodEater | the other option of course is to implement an MTP "stack" in Rockbox as well as UMS |
20:28:10 | GodEater | :) |
20:28:13 | BigBambi | urgh |
20:28:15 | BigBambi | :) |
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20:28:36 | BigBambi | I cordially dislike MTP |
20:28:50 | GodEater | me too :) |
20:29:10 | GodEater | my files go where *I* say, not where some arbitrary algorithm decides :) |
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20:29:27 | BigBambi | Yep |
20:29:36 | GodEater | and they stay called what I call them!!! |
20:29:36 | BigBambi | Just give me a damn filesystem and be done with it |
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20:39:05 | bluebrother | Domonoky: nice work with the cli :) |
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20:42:24 | Domonoky | bluebrother: thx :-) |
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20:47:22 | gevaerts | What is the actual resolution of udelay() ? |
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20:54:45 | jhMikeS | gevearts: I wouldn't use that on gigabeat S |
20:55:31 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: use what ? |
20:56:28 | jhMikeS | the udelay implementation. I'm guessing you were working on MSC there? |
20:56:59 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: I'm on sansa. Anyway I don't really need it. |
20:58:01 | jhMikeS | ah...I just scanned the history really fast :) On PP it's +/- 1uS anyway. |
20:59:06 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: Nico_P was looking at getting MSC to work on gigabeat S |
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21:05:12 | gevaerts | I think FS #8562 is now ready for real testing. It still needs cleaning up, and it still only works in full speed, but it should work. Note that I've only tested on linux. |
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21:07:38 | rasher | gevaerts: time to modify the bootloader as well? |
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21:10:50 | gevaerts | rasher: there is still an issue apparently on e280 (see FS) that I don't really understand, I don't know if SDHC works or if the problems you had with it are still there (I only have 2GB cards), and the SD slot probably doesn't work on windows (pixelma had some problems with it) |
21:11:06 | rasher | I'll attempt sdhc |
21:11:10 | jhMikeS | what happens with the higher speed modes? |
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21:12:51 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: it doesn't transmit 512-byte packets correctly (it stops after 95 bytes), and smaller packet sizes are not allowed for bulk at high speed. |
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21:13:34 | jhMikeS | btw, one thing I notices is the iMX.31 sdhc controller seems to be similar to the PP one as well but not identical. I'm wondering about a similar situation for the OTG controller. |
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21:14:05 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: there is a similar problem at full speed with 64 byte packets that makes it zero three bytes at the end of every 32-byte block, but we can work around that by using 16 byte packets |
21:14:25 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: That's very much possible. |
21:14:28 | rasher | gevaerts: sdhc is still quite thoroughly broken |
21:14:46 | gevaerts | rasher: what does it do ? |
21:15:06 | rasher | Three lines repeat in dmesg: |
21:15:07 | rasher | attempt to access beyond end of device |
21:15:07 | rasher | sdb: rw=0, want=11940744, limit=11661 |
21:15:07 | rasher | Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 1491568 |
21:15:43 | gevaerts | rasher: what size does it report on enumeration ? |
21:15:50 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: some sort of race condition between the controller and writing data perhaps? |
21:16:06 | rasher | gevaerts: 6 MB |
21:16:07 | * | jhMikeS has no real idea without having had much involvement here |
21:16:10 | rasher | Which is slightly off |
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21:17:27 | gevaerts | rasher: then that's probably exactly the same problem that Tri Nguyen reports on e280. |
21:18:07 | jhMikeS | perhaps a clocking issue on the module too |
21:18:37 | rasher | gevaerts: Anything above 4GB? |
21:18:59 | gevaerts | rasher: it uses card_get_info() to get its data, which seems to work up to 4GB, but not higher. |
21:19:25 | rasher | The Rockbox Info screen reports the card's size correctly |
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21:19:37 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: possibly. I'd like to see USB-related register settings from the OF somewhere. |
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21:20:38 | jhMikeS | did you try disabling/enabling interrupts in certain time-critical sections if any exist? |
21:21:31 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: not yet. What's interesting is that the errors are very consistent. |
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21:22:22 | jhMikeS | the tick could intrude on something in normal thread context. |
21:22:45 | jhMikeS | so could the USB interrupt for that matter |
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21:23:19 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: the USB interrupt shouldn't fire at those times. |
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21:23:36 | gevaerts | Of course it ight be another interrupt. |
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21:24:14 | * | linuxstb apologies for the spam... |
21:27:30 | gevaerts | rasher: I suspect that the info screen might get its info from the fat driver |
21:27:52 | rasher | Is get_card_info used anywhere in Rockbox? |
21:28:09 | jhMikeS | the debug screen |
21:28:22 | gevaerts | rasher: can you check what disk info in the debug menu shows ? |
21:28:48 | rasher | Just a moment.. I forgot to actually unzip the build, so I had a bit of the old filesystem corruption.. |
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21:33:58 | rasher | Which debug screen should I look for? |
21:34:20 | rasher | Disk info? |
21:34:21 | Phill | gavarts: debug screen reports blocks=0xB3C000 for builtin 6GB, and 0x2D8D for 6GB SDHC. Is that what you are looking for? |
21:34:23 | gevaerts | rasher: View disk info |
21:35:10 | rasher | 4GB builtin: Blocks: 0x77D800 |
21:35:28 | rasher | 6GB sdhc: Blocks: 0x002D8D |
21:35:37 | rasher | That sounds broken |
21:35:57 | Phill | gevaerts: that would seem to fit with the reported 6MB |
21:36:01 | gevaerts | Yes it does. |
21:36:41 | gevaerts | Anyone here familiar with that code ? |
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21:40:01 | rasher | Seems jhMikeS is responsible for large parts of ata-c200_e200.c which might be the culprit? |
21:40:27 | Llorean | How is size detected? |
21:40:47 | * | jhMikeS is getting blamed for everything these days |
21:41:05 | BigBambi | and praised |
21:42:10 | Phill | FS #7634 is where SDHC support was added. I assume only sdhc use the /* CSD version 2.0 */ section of the code. |
21:42:24 | gevaerts | Disabling interrupts does not fix the high-speed issue |
21:42:32 | jhMikeS | Llorean: have to calculate it from the blocks/banks info |
21:44:43 | jhMikeS | or is this about SD vs. SDHC? that's inferred from the fact that SDHC responds to SEND_IF_COMMAND |
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21:44:58 | jhMikeS | *SEND_IF_COND |
21:45:19 | GrooveStix | hey folks, I got 10GB Gigabeat and I am reformatting it. Should I pick FAT32 or NTFS? |
21:45:44 | tessarakt | reiser4 |
21:46:10 | Llorean | GrooveStix: FAT32 |
21:46:16 | Llorean | Rockbox only supports FAT32. |
21:46:22 | GrooveStix | cool :) |
21:46:24 | Llorean | tessarakt: Please give serious answers in this channel. |
21:46:32 | tessarakt | sorry |
21:47:40 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I really want it to be SD vs SDHC, but I thought they said it happened on >4GB internal storage devices too. |
21:47:59 | gevaerts | The problem occurs at least on 6GB sdhc and 8GB internal, but doesn't seem to happen on 6GB internal or 4GB internal |
21:48:15 | Llorean | Hm. |
21:48:42 | jhMikeS | Llorean: What's "it"? One thing I didn't add was the SDHC support. |
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21:51:14 | rasher | Hrm, a readout of the debug screen for 8GB internal would be useful perhaps? |
21:51:40 | asdrubal | Do you guys think MicroSD HC is density limited? |
21:51:51 | asdrubal | Like what do you think microSD HC will max out at |
21:52:05 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I meant, "I really want the problem to be SDHC support" because then I can hope that it'll turn out to be something really obvious. :-P |
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21:52:19 | Llorean | asdrubal: That really has nothing to do with Rockbox. |
21:52:39 | asdrubal | I know Im just wondering |
21:52:43 | asdrubal | Sorry to throw you off topic |
21:52:43 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Barrywardell added SDHC right? |
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21:52:59 | Llorean | asdrubal: Please read the link in the channel topic |
21:54:11 | gevaerts | rasher or Phill: can you see what microSD version is given for both internal and SD ? If I understand the code correctly that should give a hint. |
21:54:49 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I think so |
21:54:58 | Phill | gevaerts: I think the error may be in ata-c200_e200.c line 698. The v2 spec has a fixed multiplier of 2^10, but it is missing from this line, where number of blocks is calculated. |
21:55:35 | gevaerts | Phill: that sounds correct anyway. |
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21:56:23 | rasher | gevaerts: The top line? SD04G? Rev 8. (the ? is a box) |
21:56:41 | gevaerts | rasher: I the line starting with microSD: |
21:56:58 | gevaerts | Mine says v1.0-1.2 |
21:57:17 | gevaerts | anyway I would say |
21:57:23 | rasher | Same for both, here |
21:57:36 | gevaerts | ... that Phill most probably spotted it. |
21:57:58 | rasher | Sure sounds quite likely |
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21:58:09 | * | gevaerts has an enter key with some kind of magnetic powers |
21:59:01 | gevaerts | Can you check if it fixes the issue for you ? |
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22:00:05 | Phill | gevaerts: compiling now... |
22:00:08 | rasher | currcard->numblocks = c_size; => currcard->numblocks = c_size << 10; ? |
22:00:16 | rasher | I'm far too slow.. |
22:00:45 | Phill | gevaerts: works perfectly now :) |
22:01:08 | gevaerts | Great. I guess that that can be fixes directlyin svn by someone ? |
22:01:27 | rasher | Yeah |
22:03:15 | Domonoky | to use every communikation channel: RBUTIL needs testing. windows gui binary: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt-v1.0.4pre.zip windows cli binary : http://www.b23.org/~domonoky/rbutilcli.exe for details see forums or mailinglist :-) |
22:05:48 | Llorean | Domonoky: Question: will the CLI version allow command line parameters such that I could type something along the lines of "rbutil −−target=IP4G −−patch=/mount/IPOD −−install" to install the latest build? (Or does it offer such functionality already, and ignore my random guessing about target names)? |
22:06:26 | rasher | Alright, I'll commit that change to ata-c200_e200.c (wonderful that the least competent of us holdes that power).. the << 10 is correct, right? It sure is working at least.. |
22:06:33 | Domonoky | Llorean: at the moment it doesnt have parameters, its has a cli menu .. |
22:07:06 | Domonoky | but it could be possible to add parameters to shorten the needed input.. |
22:07:15 | Llorean | Domonoky: I figured it had a menu. :) I just kinda like the idea of parameters as another option for using it. |
22:07:37 | * | rasher risks it |
22:07:38 | Llorean | But that's just me, and that's hardly a priority or anything. I was just curious if that was in the works at all. |
22:07:54 | gevaerts | The bootloader doesn't compile because it misses ata_get_identify() in usb_storage. Probably the best solution would be to disable usb_storage entirely for the bootloader. How do I do this ? |
22:08:08 | Domonoky | the only problem with parameters are, that there are mny config options, so many parameters.. |
22:08:29 | Phill | rasher: yep. works for me, and taken from the spec. |
22:08:50 | linuxstb | gevaerts: What do you mean by "misses ata_get_identify()" ? The function isn't being compiled? |
22:08:58 | Llorean | Domonoky: Well leave it to another day, then. |
22:08:59 | rasher | Phill: I forgot to credit you for pointing it out in my commit message. |
22:09:20 | Llorean | I think we would like a bootloader USB mode to work. |
22:09:31 | Llorean | Especially if flashable bootloaders are in the future |
22:09:40 | Domonoky | Llorean: yup, lets first get this cli menu ready, then we will think forward .. :-) |
22:10:11 | rasher | Domonoky: perhaps just the simple options/actions should be available through commandline switches anyway? |
22:10:31 | linuxstb | bootloader USB (on PP) requires enabling interrupts, which doesn't happen atm. |
22:11:09 | Phill | rasher: I'll forgive you! |
22:11:43 | Domonoky | rasher: feel free to improve the cli interface, the code is in the tracker :-) |
22:11:46 | rasher | Let it be publically known that Phill is the genious, and I'm merely a messenger. |
22:11:57 | gevaerts | I "fixed" it now by only defining USB_STORAGE in usb_core.c for non-bootloader builds. The bootloader gets USB_CHARGING_ONLY. |
22:12:04 | Llorean | rasher: In my mind, the only two options really needed are "install" and "bootloader install", with "device" and "location" for those. I know it's boiling things down a lot, but at the same time who's going to barebones it if they don't want to boil things down? |
22:12:28 | rasher | Llorean: I agree. |
22:13:10 | rasher | Of-by-1024.. that's a new one |
22:13:30 | Domonoky | Llorean: + proxy and cache options, and which build to install (archived/daily/current) ... |
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22:15:09 | Llorean | Domonoky: To me at least, I wouldn't mind it always installing the current when done like that, so long as the menu is available for further configuration when other things are needed. |
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22:15:28 | GrooveStix | hey people! I was just asking about formatting here, but I gots another question fer yew! Is it smart to defrag my Gigabeat? |
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22:16:31 | linuxstb | GrooveStix: I thought you just formatted it? |
22:16:48 | GrooveStix | yes, I am talking in general |
22:17:14 | GrooveStix | as in, defraging from time to time |
22:17:23 | thgz | Hi |
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22:18:09 | thgz | Having some problems with RB compiling... When I run makefile, it says that can't create sysfont.h |
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22:18:30 | GodEater | GrooveStix: defragging is only necessary if you regulary remove and then add new content to the device |
22:18:31 | GrooveStix | linuxstb: any ideas? |
22:18:39 | GodEater | otherwise the files will remain stationary on the disk, and not become fragmented |
22:18:44 | thgz | Using cygwin. Checked the path variable; all ok. Removed and re-downloaded from svn; Problem still exist. |
22:20:07 | GrooveStix | GodEater: I understand, I am only interested how essential it is... I guess it shoukd be snappier after I defrag. The reason I am asking is I defraged last night and it seems I have a HDD damage, so I was wondering if the defraging did it, or not |
22:20:24 | GodEater | unlikely |
22:20:48 | GodEater | and as I say, defragging won't make any difference at all if you just copy stuff onto it, and never delete things |
22:20:50 | gevaerts | sansapatcher at least has no problems updating the bootloader over the rockbox-ums support |
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22:21:31 | GrooveStix | GodEater: alright. that means - defraging is for me. |
22:23:37 | * | DerPapst is *very* ipressed about gevaerts progress... |
22:24:14 | * | Bagder seconds that |
22:24:20 | rasher | thgz: try adding V=1 in front of your make command |
22:25:51 | thgz | Rasher: Oh thanks, why I didn't do that before... |
22:26:48 | * | gevaerts has done ehci work before, which made this a lot easier |
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22:28:14 | anid | hi di ho |
22:29:05 | karl_ | hello |
22:29:17 | karl_ | is there somewhere that describes the process of porting a game to rockbox? |
22:29:17 | anid | whats up men? |
22:29:27 | GrooveStix | what is keyclick?! |
22:30:12 | thgz | GrooveStix: When you press a key you'll hear a click |
22:30:23 | GrooveStix | :)) |
22:30:31 | thgz | Don't turn that swith on on PortalPlayer based devices |
22:30:34 | Domonoky | karl_: see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins and the source of other plugins :-) |
22:30:43 | karl_ | thanks very much |
22:30:49 | GrooveStix | I just saw it, i guess it's new eh? |
22:31:01 | karl_ | keyclick has been around for a while |
22:31:04 | karl_ | or maybe beep |
22:31:08 | GodEater | a couple of weeks or so |
22:31:09 | karl_ | mine always had beep |
22:31:13 | karl_ | not necessarily clock |
22:31:14 | GodEater | I'm not a fan of it :) |
22:31:14 | karl_ | click* |
22:31:25 | karl_ | beep always irritated me |
22:31:39 | GrooveStix | yes, mine had a beep |
22:31:46 | GrooveStix | and yes, I second karl_ |
22:31:50 | thgz | Well, got the following (that's sho short I think that can pasted here): |
22:32:12 | DerPapst | o.O |
22:32:19 | * | DerPapst already sacred |
22:32:27 | thgz | Not... I'll upload that to pastebin. |
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22:35:01 | * | rasher copies hundreds of megabytes to sdhc |
22:35:07 | rasher | Let's see how that goes |
22:35:15 | * | Bagder holds breath |
22:35:28 | rasher | Bagder: You may want to rethink that - remember it's at full speed |
22:35:38 | * | Bagder slowly turns blue |
22:35:42 | rasher | Which is bizarrely slower than hi-speed. |
22:35:47 | thgz | Ok, here it is: |
22:35:47 | thgz | http://www.pastebin.ca/897824 |
22:35:49 | rasher | Well done there, USB consortium |
22:36:16 | Horscht | interesting naming scheme |
22:36:26 | Horscht | make full speed run slower than high speed |
22:36:28 | anid | where can i download the sansa media converter? |
22:36:40 | Bagder | anid: ask sandisk |
22:36:42 | anid | i just found out my sansa is a v2 |
22:36:49 | anid | so no rockbox :( |
22:36:55 | gevaerts | rasher: the next one will be "super-speed" |
22:37:17 | midgey | light speed? |
22:37:21 | thgz | Anid: Didn't you get that software with your unit? |
22:37:28 | Horscht | uber speed |
22:37:31 | Bagder | thgz: convbdf fails to create that file there |
22:37:37 | BigBambi | thgz, anid on topic please |
22:37:49 | rasher | gevaerts: 4.0 will include exxxtreme speed, I hope |
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22:38:43 | star_jasmine | hi everyone... I have a question. your rbuilt tool that was posted on the rockbox list... is that just for linux users? stupid I know... you said it was a windows binary |
22:38:50 | star_jasmine | I'd like to help if I can |
22:38:52 | BigBambi | No... |
22:38:56 | thgz | Bigbambi: Causing to manage a heart attack to you again :P... Sorry, I try to keep on topic |
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22:39:07 | BigBambi | thgz: I'll live :) |
22:39:25 | thgz | Bigbambi: Great |
22:39:28 | anid | sorry for my disturbance |
22:39:39 | BigBambi | star_jasmine: It can be compiled for Windows, Mac OS X and linux. Domonoky just posted Windows binaries |
22:39:49 | gevaerts | rasher: probably |
22:40:36 | thgz | Bagder: Found that out, can't however understand why |
22:40:38 | star_jasmine | when I tried installing it, it said I was missing a .dll file. I"m not sure which. I'll get the message again |
22:41:09 | Domonoky | star_jasmine: on which one ? cli version oder the normal gui version ? |
22:41:58 | thgz | Btw how the cli versiong goes? Is it ready for normal use? |
22:42:42 | Domonoky | thgz: it needs testing, and uninstalling and themes are missing.. (all install options are coded today :-) ) |
22:43:06 | thgz | Domonoky: Oh, Great! |
22:43:22 | star_jasmine | the second link that was posted. not sure if that was the gui or ordinary one. I'm looking to test the ordinary one, being visually-impaired |
22:43:32 | Ice`` | just to laugh a moment > http://xkcd.com/327/ |
22:43:57 | BigBambi | Ice``: On topic only here |
22:43:58 | Domonoky | arg, it seams i failed to build the cli version as static binary.. mingw.dll is needed :-/ |
22:44:03 | gevaerts | Would jtag make it possible to read USB register settings on a PortalPlayer device ? And does anyone here have the equipment and experience to do that ? |
22:44:04 | star_jasmine | oh idiotic me. I need the first one. apologies |
22:44:11 | Ice`` | BigBambi: just look the link. You'll see Y. |
22:44:26 | BigBambi | I have. It is off topic |
22:44:31 | Ice`` | Yes it is. |
22:44:35 | Ice`` | But it's fun. |
22:44:37 | BigBambi | So do not post it here |
22:44:37 | rasher | gevaerts: I believe LinusN has a Sansa e200 dev-board with jtag port lying around, but has never had time to do anything with it |
22:44:43 | BigBambi | Ice``: I don't care |
22:44:49 | Ice`` | BigBambi: it's too late, i'm sorry. |
22:45:05 | BigBambi | OK, just keep in mind the channel guidelines for next time |
22:45:16 | Ice`` | Ok, no problem. |
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22:47:09 | gevaerts | rasher: I'll ask him when he appears |
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22:49:24 | rasher | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/_e200-devboard.html This one |
22:49:36 | GrooveStix | hmmm, I wonder, is there anyplace I can buy spare parts for my gigabeat? |
22:49:39 | star_jasmine | is it possible to add the speex encoder to the list of possible encoders, or do I have to install one? |
22:49:40 | GrooveStix | does anyone know? |
22:49:56 | rasher | star_jasmine: The speex encoder should be builtin |
22:49:58 | GrooveStix | (and yes I know this is rockbox :) ) |
22:50:12 | star_jasmine | oh to the rockbox utility? ok. I"ll have to see if it shows up as an option |
22:50:31 | rasher | star_jasmine: That said, I don't know quite how it works.. Domonoky should know |
22:50:38 | Domonoky | star_jasmine: its built in, you have to choose it, in the configuration... :-) |
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22:51:45 | Domonoky | i would recommend to try the cli version, but unfortunatly you have to wait till i have regenerated Qt and rbutilcli to have a static build :-) |
22:52:28 | gevaerts | rasher: is your copy still going ? |
22:53:02 | star_jasmine | I have a friend who is willing to test the mac version of your rockboxbuild utility for the mac, when she acquires one with voice over. it won't be for a while yet, but she's interested |
22:53:27 | karl_ | is the easiest way to look at the plugin source just to check it out of svn? |
22:53:32 | rasher | gevaerts: just finished! |
22:53:40 | Bagder | karl_: yes |
22:53:46 | rasher | gevaerts: I'll md5sum it from the sansa firmware |
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22:54:09 | rasher | .. which I can't |
22:54:13 | rasher | Since it's sdhc |
22:54:15 | star_jasmine | ok thanks. found it. |
22:54:33 | gevaerts | rasher: implement md5sum in the rockbox file manager ? |
22:54:58 | rasher | gevaerts: I'll just use the cardreader |
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22:57:13 | star_jasmine | oh... jus tanother quick question. two actually. are the numbers beside the configuring tts the quality settings that are present in cygwin, or do these refer to speed of the voice? |
22:57:38 | amiconn | rasher, gevaerts: There is another option how to test reliability of disk transfers in rockbox, which could be used with a little trick: |
22:57:55 | star_jasmine | and the other is, can sapi 4 voice option be added to the tts options? I love the accessibility of this utility. |
22:58:02 | rasher | gevaerts: the md5sums check out perfectly |
22:58:07 | rasher | For 400 MB data |
22:58:17 | amiconn | Enable test_disk.c plugin, and compile a simulator |
22:59:01 | amiconn | Oh, change the path in test_disk.c before compiling so it creates its test dir in some (fixed) sub-dir |
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22:59:34 | Domonoky | star_jasmine: it seams you are now trying the gui version... and yes those options are for quality and volume and more.. but i would really recommend to wait for the cli version.. its should be easier to use.. |
22:59:44 | amiconn | Then mount the sansa (or other PP502x) target, and symlink it as the chosen directory from within the archos/ dir of that sim |
22:59:53 | Domonoky | sapi4 isnt supported at moment, maybe in the furture... |
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23:00:04 | GodEater | Domonoky: why is the speex encoder not the default ? |
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23:00:35 | amiconn | Now start the sim, run test_disk.c, and choose the "Write & verify" test |
23:00:37 | Domonoky | GodEater: because nobody got the time to bind the encoder selection to the selected device... :-) |
23:00:44 | star_jasmine | ok thanks. I"ll do that. wait that is. this one is also usable |
23:01:04 | GodEater | Domonoky: so it's a feature request currently ? :) |
23:01:14 | amiconn | This will write 300MB of pseudorandom data, and verify it by reading it back |
23:01:30 | amiconn | The amount of data is also just a #define in test_disk.c |
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23:01:56 | gevaerts | amiconn: looks useful |
23:01:57 | rasher | amiconn: At least a good part of that will live in the disk cache though |
23:02:08 | amiconn | 300MB? |
23:02:09 | Domonoky | GodEater: i planned to do it sometime, but no written feature request.. :-) |
23:02:22 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe on linux it will. Certainly not on windows though |
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23:02:47 | rasher | Yeah, Linux seems pretty willing to put many megabytes of disk cache in RAM |
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23:02:53 | rasher | Probably 300 though |
23:03:00 | rasher | And I'm sure you could tell it not to |
23:03:27 | crzyboyster | If I didn't translate a string in the Hindi translation, can I just remove the entire string from <phrase> to </phrase>? |
23:03:59 | amiconn | In order to guarantee that it has to read from disk, the plugin could be modified a bit more to make it wait for a button press between the write and the verify phase |
23:04:08 | rasher | crzyboyster: If you're going to translate it later, yes |
23:04:12 | rasher | crzyboyster: if not, why not? |
23:04:14 | amiconn | Then you could unmount and remount the sansa before pressing the button |
23:04:33 | rasher | amiconn: that would work indeed |
23:04:55 | GodEater | rasher, I think you need to mount with -o sync to make it not cache |
23:05:31 | rasher | GodEater: ah yes (or pmount -s if you use that) |
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23:05:42 | * | GodEater goes to look up pmount |
23:06:03 | GodEater | nifty |
23:06:04 | rasher | GodEater: convenicne thing to allow users to mount disks. Debian uses it by default. |
23:06:49 | crzyboyster | I wanted to do it so that I could generate a voice file with ease and also so that others can help translate the language at rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/?cmd=edit&lang=hindi">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/?cmd=edit&lang=hindi and also so that the translation status becomes accurate... |
23:07:08 | thgz | Ok... When I copied rockbox_default.bdf from the fonts dir to the tools dir, ran there "convbdf -h rockbox_default.bdf" and renamed the output file to sysfont.h, moved it to the build dir and started make, all went fine until... Can't create sysfont.c in firmware dir. Have to create that by hand also. |
23:07:31 | rasher | crzyboyster: In that case, yes (I'm not sure what it has to do with voice though) |
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23:08:06 | rasher | crzyboyster: Are you aware of rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/problems.php?lang=hindi">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/problems.php?lang=hindi ? |
23:09:27 | crzyboyster | So the ones that are missing can be added in at the end of the voice file, too? |
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23:09:38 | amiconn | rasher: The last line rather looks like an oversight in english.lang .... |
23:10:00 | crzyboyster | And what if I don't have translations for them? |
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23:10:18 | rasher | amiconn: Indeed |
23:11:08 | rasher | crzyboyster: if you remove a <phrase>, it will be added the next time genlang is run with a "needs translation" note. Which seems to be what you want. |
23:11:29 | Domonoky | crzyboyster: about you forum post: if you use rbutil with espeak, espeak should not ask you anything (point the espeak path to the espeak console binary in rbutil) |
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23:12:11 | rasher | amiconn: Ah no, that's because LANG_BUTTONLIGHT_TIMEOUT:c200,gigabeatf doesn't exist in english.lang (it's c200,gigabeatf,mrobe100 now) |
23:12:24 | rasher | I should probably change the wording of my page slightly |
23:12:43 | amiconn | Ah, so the check is a bit broken... |
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23:13:28 | rasher | amiconn: Well it's a misleading message, but I think the check is fine |
23:13:31 | amiconn | I would expect it to check features, and output something like 'voice string blah is missing for mrobe100' |
23:13:35 | * | gevaerts is untarring a linux source tree to his sansa |
23:14:05 | rasher | amiconn: that's noted elsewhere on the page |
23:14:20 | rasher | Or should be, at least |
23:14:31 | crzyboyster | Domonoky: Well, I pointed the tts engine to the exact espeak exe file and I was assuming that it would ask me to generate out each string from within espeak? |
23:15:50 | Domonoky | crzyboyster: it just uses espeak to speak all strings it gets out of svn fitting your device, language and installed revision.. |
23:15:57 | Llorean | crzyboyster: espeak takes text as input, and gives speech as output... users don't actually interact with espeak directly. |
23:16:47 | Ice`` | does anyone here have a broken Creative Zen V plus? |
23:16:54 | Ice`` | (It is for reverse purposes) |
23:17:06 | crzyboyster | And can I delete deprecated strings? |
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23:17:26 | crzyboyster | Ice: I have a Zen V fully intact :D |
23:17:52 | rasher | crzyboyster: no, you should leave deprecated strings empty |
23:17:56 | Ice`` | crzyboyster: Me too. And I would like to conserve it as it is. |
23:18:20 | Ice`` | That's Y I 'd like to find a broken device on which I could do reverse. |
23:18:56 | Ice`` | crzyboyster: are u workin' on a Zen V rockbox port? |
23:19:07 | amiconn | gevaerts: Regarding the USB register setup, it seems like some RE is due. Best candidate would probably be the (in-ROM) emergency diskmode of an *older* PP502x ipod. (the emergency diskmodes of the G5 and nano are (intentionally?) crippled speed-wise) |
23:19:17 | rasher | amiconn: I had an error in the part that checked for missing voice strings, which I've fixed now. So now on eg. the Hindi page, it's noted that "LANG_BUTTONLIGHT_TIMEOUT:c200,gigabeatf,mrobe100" is missing, and "LANG_BUTTONLIGHT_TIMEOUT:c200,gigabeatf" should be removed |
23:19:56 | amiconn | So the candidates would be 4th Gen (grey or colour) or one of the minis |
23:20:32 | crzyboyster | Ice: No but I would like a rockbox port for it. It seems like its not going to happen with the Creative players having encrypted firmares and all |
23:21:38 | Ice`` | There is tools to decrypt firmware. And then, as soon I get time and another device, I'll go on reverse and I'll start to code drivers. |
23:22:08 | crzyboyster | And on a side note, has there been progress on the Gigabeat S? |
23:22:13 | Ice`` | (If I found data sheet for components =]) |
23:22:24 | GodEater | crzyboyster: it runs rockbox as far as reading the disk now |
23:22:30 | GodEater | so you browse the filesystem |
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23:22:37 | GodEater | and get to the various settings menus |
23:22:39 | amiconn | rasher: That reminds me - do you think finnish.lang (and hence .lng) should be renamed to suomi.lang? |
23:22:51 | BigBambi | crzyboyster: Check the logs for details and pray down to the jhMikeS statue |
23:23:00 | gevaerts | amiconn: is there a dump of the necessary firmware available somewhere ? |
23:23:51 | linuxstb | gevaerts: I've got one... |
23:23:57 | amiconn | The general idea seems to be that the .lang file names are written in their own language, if that's possible using latin letters |
23:24:06 | rasher | amiconn: there's some discussion about that in the tracker.. I'm not sure how I feel about it. In theory yes, but then you get people with outdated language files |
23:24:06 | Ice`` | BigBambi: Is it what it is called Plug and Pray? =] |
23:24:29 | BigBambi | heh, could be |
23:24:39 | Ice`` | ^^ |
23:24:39 | * | gevaerts would like to warn people that he has no experience in disassembling firmware and then trying to understand it |
23:24:40 | amiconn | rasher: Yeah, too bad that a .zip cannot contain an "anti-file" |
23:24:46 | rasher | amiconn: unless we keep finnish.lang and break it |
23:24:58 | rasher | For a transition period or something |
23:25:07 | Ice`` | gevaerts: How do you want to get some experience if you don't try? |
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23:25:30 | Ice`` | I know it is _*VERY*_ difficult. |
23:25:49 | amiconn | Hmm, czech.lang has the same problem |
23:25:58 | * | jhMikeS prefers forward engineering over reverse by far |
23:26:06 | rasher | amiconn: Don't they use crazy accents on some letters though? |
23:26:06 | DerPapst | gevaerts: infact you can download it from apple and extract it from a firmware update file, but getting it from linuxstb is faster and easier :-P |
23:26:08 | gevaerts | Ice``: true, I just meant that if someone else does it it might be done earlier |
23:26:20 | amiconn | rasher: Hmm. It would not be the first time dropping a .lang file, leading to potential outdatedness |
23:26:28 | rasher | amiconn: I do agree that finnish.lang should be named suomi.lang if it was added today |
23:26:31 | amiconn | (we dropped polski-ascii at some point) |
23:26:51 | rasher | amiconn: Good point - I forgot about that.. were there any complaints? |
23:27:01 | gevaerts | linuxstb: I can't seem to get a connection |
23:27:05 | rasher | If not, I'd say we can go and do the same with finnish.lang |
23:27:40 | amiconn | Yes, czech uses some accents. But there are other .lang files which just drop the accents and use plain latin letters (e.g. francais) |
23:27:41 | DerPapst | linuxstb: do you have a server to upload? |
23:27:53 | Ice`` | gevaerts: yes. |
23:27:57 | rasher | amiconn: ah yes |
23:28:02 | gevaerts | linuxstb: got it |
23:28:06 | rasher | Moving to 7z and using unicode for all language names would be nice though, in this particular case.. |
23:28:09 | Ice`` | Find someone else =] Meanwhile, i'll try. |
23:28:17 | DerPapst | nvm :-P |
23:28:29 | amiconn | Yes, of course that would be nice |
23:28:55 | amiconn | Hmm, we could make the language selector special, but that would cost some binsize |
23:29:07 | rasher | I don't think that's worth it, to be honest |
23:29:19 | amiconn | The .lng files could *contain* the language's name as unicode text |
23:29:32 | amiconn | ...and the browser would show that instead of the file name |
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23:29:53 | thgz | No problem now |
23:30:02 | rasher | amiconn: Another thing I've thought about, was that the .lng could contain all characters used, so it could be checked if the font supports that language |
23:30:21 | thgz | The stereo crossfade patch somehow broke the whole compiling process. One re-download fixed the problem. |
23:30:22 | rasher | To avoid "the screen went blank" problems |
23:30:33 | amiconn | Hmm, I also thought about that. But an automatic decision would also be bad |
23:30:41 | | Part thgz |
23:30:55 | amiconn | It would reject a .lng even if just a single character isn't available |
23:31:00 | Ice`` | gevaerts: do you have some experience on firmware reversing? |
23:31:17 | gevaerts | Ice``: none at all |
23:31:18 | Llorean | amiconn: It could always just give a confirmation screen. "Some characters are missing, press select to continue loading, any other key to cancel" |
23:31:18 | GodEater | Ice``: he already said he didn't... |
23:31:41 | rasher | amiconn: yeah, I don't think it should anything but a warning and/or refusal to load |
23:31:45 | amiconn | Llorean: Hmm. "Some" should be replaced by the actual number, I think |
23:32:09 | rasher | On second thought, refusal would be bad |
23:32:18 | amiconn | The next question is how to do that check in a quick way |
23:32:22 | Llorean | amiconn: Fair. |
23:32:30 | Ice`` | GodEater: I didn't read that, i apologize. |
23:32:45 | amiconn | And another thing is that loading a font would have to do the same check |
23:33:07 | amiconn | Also, what about (potential) multi-font suppport? |
23:33:12 | rasher | amiconn: if the .lng file contain a list of used glyphs (handled by genlang), isn't it fairly simple to run through that and check if the current font has those? It's not terribly time-critical anyway? |
23:33:31 | rasher | Yeah, multi-font would make that "interesting" |
23:33:41 | Llorean | amiconn: I think Fonts aren't so dangerous |
23:33:44 | gevaerts | Am I right in thinking that 'mov r1, #-989855744 ; ' followed by 'ldr r0, [r1, #324] |
23:34:20 | gevaerts | ' mean "load the contents of -989855744+324 (==USBSTS) to register r0" ? |
23:34:34 | Genesis | bye |
23:34:34 | Llorean | amiconn: I *think* it might be clearer to users what's happening in that case, maybe |
23:34:39 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Yes |
23:34:57 | gevaerts | linuxstb: OK. Then I should be on my way |
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23:35:24 | * | amiconn recommends the arm reference manual |
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23:35:54 | * | gevaerts guesses that amiconn has a point |
23:35:58 | * | amiconn wonders what disassembler outputs constants in decimal instead of hex |
23:36:14 | amiconn | -989855744 => 0xc5000000 |
23:36:23 | amiconn | Much more readable, imho |
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23:37:01 | linuxstb | gevaerts: There's an ARM disassembler in the utils/ directory in the Rockbox source - that's slightly nicer than objdump. |
23:37:02 | rasher | gevaerts: sdhc write support seems absolutely solid |
23:37:21 | rasher | Apart from the device resets |
23:37:28 | saratoga | i would like to commit the PP power consumption patch Buschel posted |
23:37:36 | saratoga | does anyone object? |
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23:38:57 | Ice`` | So |
23:39:06 | Ice`` | See ya. |
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23:39:15 | Ice`` | Gd N8 |
23:39:20 | * | amiconn didn't check out that patch at all so far |
23:39:45 | GodEater | it's been floating around for quite a few weeks now... |
23:39:54 | amiconn | I know |
23:40:00 | saratoga | amiconn: i think you will want to |
23:40:09 | gevaerts | linuxstb: thanks. That will help |
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23:40:18 | saratoga | it changes the default clock speed on the pp50xx targets |
23:40:22 | amiconn | I also know that at least some versions do more or less nasty things |
23:40:39 | Horscht | you might be refering to the PCF patches. |
23:40:43 | saratoga | since mpc and flac did not need 30 MHz to decode |
23:41:07 | amiconn | Why does it change the default? 30MHz are already quite low for the UI to be responsive |
23:41:17 | amiconn | (on G5) |
23:41:31 | linuxstb | And what about plugins, some games may run fine at 30MHz, but not lower. |
23:41:34 | * | Domonoky has now replaced the rbutilcli.exe file with a really static version... so testing can go on.. :-) |
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23:42:46 | amiconn | That is, it's low for the UI on G5. Probably the greyscale targets could go lower. But so far we let all PP targets use the same clock frequencies on purpose |
23:43:18 | saratoga | (FS #8379 btw) |
23:43:48 | saratoga | yes my thought was that the 5G would lag, but i've heard its not noticable |
23:43:57 | amiconn | The device disabling should be fine, if it's verified that nothing breaks |
23:44:23 | amiconn | But I would rather keep the frequencies, at least for now |
23:44:30 | amiconn | Better don't change too much at once |
23:47:32 | rasher | Build table is looking nicer |
23:48:03 | Llorean | Besides "power drain" (which happens with the backlight anyway) was there any reason not to boost on user input? |
23:48:13 | * | amiconn knows that he should probably have tried this patch, but is still looking for his motivation to come back :\ |
23:48:28 | saratoga | Llorean: i think Buschel removed it because it caused a problem with some devices |
23:48:33 | saratoga | and he just hasn't gotten around to fixing it yet |
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23:49:11 | amiconn | We already had that at some point. It was removed again |
23:49:18 | saratoga | i think his original idea was something like 30MHz when the back light is on, 16 when its off, and boosting to 80 |
23:49:44 | Llorean | saratoga: I'd rather just "set to boosted any time there's user input, unboost 1 second after the last input" personally |
23:49:49 | saratoga | or maybe i'm not remembering it correctly |
23:49:54 | amiconn | I would never go below 24MHz (well, except for suspend of course) |
23:49:58 | Llorean | You can't assume they'll have the backlight on, and there's really no reason to keep it boosted the whole time the backlight is on. |
23:50:06 | saratoga | theres tests done at 12MHZ I think |
23:50:11 | amiconn | 24MHz can be produced with the pll disabled |
23:50:32 | saratoga | amiconn: unfortunately disabling the PLL did not save any power |
23:51:19 | amiconn | Yeah, so there is one more interesting test to do: Does the pll consume more power if it outputs 80MHz all the time? |
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23:51:38 | amiconn | If it doesn't, we could boost/unboost by just switching clock sources |
23:52:04 | saratoga | i didn't realize that was possible |
23:52:05 | amiconn | This would be nearly instantaneous, i.e. no wait-for-relock delay |
23:52:18 | saratoga | i wonder if we weren't really disabling the PLL, but rather just switching off it |
23:52:26 | saratoga | that might expalin why it only seemed to use 30uA |
23:52:52 | amiconn | Well, it's rather obvious that we can switch sources |
23:53:29 | amiconn | The boost/unboost code in fact has to do that. It switches to 24MHz direct clock, reprograms the pll, waits for relock, and then switches to pll |
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23:53:54 | amiconn | If it would reprogram the pll while running from it, it would lock up |
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23:54:21 | amiconn | Theres even another option - the pll has a programmable post-divider |
23:55:08 | saratoga | amiconn: can you look at this patch and tell me if I was actually disabling the PLL when I tested? |
23:55:10 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8379?getfile=15906 |
23:55:19 | Domonoky | it should be possible to change the postdividers while running from PLL.. i think.. |
23:55:28 | saratoga | around the line "Note2: CLOCK_SOURCE is set via 0=32kHz, 1=16MHz" |
23:56:12 | amiconn | It divides the pll output by an integer number between 1 and 16 |
23:57:03 | amiconn | The Note2 might apply to some dev board, but not to most targets |
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23:57:24 | amiconn | Not all selectable sources are actually present |
23:58:06 | amiconn | On my mini G2, only 0, 2, and 5..7 work |