#rockbox 2008-02-13

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#rockbox log for 2008-02-13

00:00:27	Nico_P	lostlogic: the only potential problem I see with this is that it interrupts buffer_handle each time a handle is added
00:00:27	JdGordon\|w	is it possible that the disk access on the e200 can happen completly before the statusbar can be updated so the icon isnt shown? iirc the status bar is updated HZ/10 in the menus...
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00:00:53	gevaerts	bertrik: that's actually not too bad I think. The Interface Descriptor test is my fault. I assumed we didn't need that. Halt Endpoint is not implemented but shouldn't be too hard, and other speed is easy.
00:02:04	gevaerts	bertrik: for the MSC tests : the latest patch supports serial numbers, and it says you aborted all others.
00:02:14	lostlogic	Nico_P: it's a quick bounce, calculate the code path, should only be about 20 instructions
00:02:30	bertrik	gevaerts: those are old tests from november...
00:02:39	Nico_P	lostlogic: yeah, shouldn't be much of a problem
00:03:37	gevaerts	bertrik: ok. I'm blind...
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00:10:12	bertrik	No idea why all tests fail, the USBCV does find the sansa on the bus so at least the device descriptor can be fetched, I'll try some more tomorrow
00:10:16	asdrubal	hoe long does a db update usually take on a 2gb sansa?
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00:10:23	asdrubal	hoe=how
00:11:50	gevaerts	bertrik: Don't spend too much time on it. Do they say anything at all ?
00:13:30	linuxstb	gevaerts: He left...
00:14:10	*	gevaerts thinks bertrik has the right idea
00:14:22	gevaerts	linuxstb: I noticed.
00:15:13	gevaerts	linuxstb: I plan to run the tests for myself tomorrow anyway.
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00:18:52	kugel	Nico_P: Have you ever looked at the albumart-smooth_resize* patches?
00:19:00	*	gevaerts goes to sleep as well, before any new issue comes up to keep him awake for three more hours
00:19:06	Nico_P	kugel: I have a few days ago
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00:19:23	Nico_P	haven't looked at the latest version though
00:19:50	kugel	it might be my limited C knowledge, but the later versions doesn't look good to me
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00:20:29	Nico_P	kugel: why?
00:20:51	IngenAning	I am trying to compile the rockboxutility, but when i run qmake in the rbutilqt directory, i just get a general qmake help
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00:21:36	IngenAning	The guide says "Then you run the command qmake and then make in the rbutilqt folder"
00:21:36	kugel	if I understand it correctly, he introduces a function get_bmp_size to get the size of the bmp. Doesn't read_bmp_fd do that allready?
00:22:14	kugel	I haven't looked very much in the bmp.[ch] code though
00:23:15	Nico_P	kugel: yes, read_bmp_fd gets you the size, but also does much more. It's not suited for when you only want to know the size
00:23:53	kugel	ah, that makes sense
00:25:03	kugel	Shouldn't the size of the albumart be allready stored somewhere?
00:27:14	Nico_P	depends what albumart you're talking about
00:27:25	kugel	the non-resized of coursed
00:27:28	kugel	-d
00:28:05	Nico_P	where would the size of that be stored?
00:28:09	kugel	it's loaded with or without albumart_resize
00:28:34	kugel	Nico_P: I don't know, but the size is needed, since it's loaded into the buffer, isn't it?
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00:30:24	preglow	IngenAning: you can run qmake in the rbutil directory, i think
00:30:32	preglow	i just did it, works fine
00:31:01	preglow	as long as there's a .pro file there, it means you can run qmake
00:31:24	kugel	IngenAning: just run qmake once (it should return 1 line, not interesting). Now run make and it should compile
00:31:54	IngenAning	Can someone help with the rockbox utility? I clicked "complete installation", then for some reason it thinks i already have the bootloader, but this is my first time running it.. then it fails if i say to install it anyway, and if i skip the step, the download fails (it reports "received HTPP error n" where n is an arbitrary number, because it changes each time i try)
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00:32:40	Nico_P	kugel: the bitmap that ends up in the buffer is the resized one
00:33:03	pixelma	IngenAning: which rbutil version are you running?
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00:33:38	IngenAning	From http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/linux/rbutilqt-v1.0.2.tar.bz2
00:33:47	kugel	Nico_P: I've looked into the patch, and it looked to me like both were loaded into the bufffer
00:33:52	kugel	correct me if I'm wrong
00:34:08	IngenAning	version m1.0.2 / r15191
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00:35:17	Nico_P	kugel: when a resize is needed, the original bmp is loaded to the WPS image buffer, then the resize is called with a destination bitmap that is in the audio buffer (i.e. MoB)
00:35:25	kugel	Nico_P: Should buffering.c change at all? I imagine that the buffering stays the same, just the bmp sent to the buffer is another
00:35:48	kugel	hm
00:35:51	pixelma	IngenAning: the "complete installation" in that version has a bug, try installing bootloader and build seperately (I think someone said yesterday that it is on a different tab, never tried myself)
00:36:04	kugel	I think I begin to get it
00:36:07	Nico_P	the function he changes in buffering.c is the one that handles loading a bitmap. I agree it should be moved elsewhere but it's not very easy
00:36:29	*	n1s would like to commit FS #8567 tomorrow and want to hear any complaints before, it basically means that gcc is required to build manuals and "make manual" must be used to make the regular pdf manuals.
00:37:00	Nico_P	the resize patch is really starting to look good to me... I should consider commiting it soon
00:37:39	kugel	Nico_P: but w/o the smooth scaling, right?
00:37:54	Nico_P	no, with smooth scaling. It's not much use without it
00:38:07	IngenAning	For "select your device in the file system" −− is this the mount point, or something in /dev ?
00:38:15	Nico_P	I already have a patch that cleanly adds smooth scaling to the core
00:38:21	kugel	I heard it increases the bin size by 4KiB
00:38:52	kugel	I believe you told that. Could you clean it up? Cool
00:38:52	Nico_P	it does, but last I heard it still was a wanted feature (and the binsize hit apparently can be reduced a bit)
00:38:56	*	preglow wonders how much core jpeg decoding will add
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00:44:01	pixelma	n1s: is it normal that when compiling the manual with the patch it complaints about missing config.h and button.h somewhere in the beginning? I get a pdf though in the end
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00:45:16	pixelma	but a nice side effect, you don't get the mkinfo.pl complaint with "make manual"
00:45:25	n1s	pixelma: no it shouldn't do that, did you rerun configure?
00:45:42	pixelma	humm... no, just a "make clean"
00:45:50	n1s	ah, try that then
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00:46:36	n1s	The include paths were to the manual dir to make a regular "make" build a manual in a slightly hacky way...
00:46:54	n1s	I had to change them back to get those header files
00:48:16	n1s	<builddir>/manual/feature.tex should tell you if everything works.
00:48:35	n1s	s/feature/features
00:49:43	jac0b	on SVN I am getting this error "svn: Decompression of svndiff data failed"
00:50:16	pixelma	n1s: ok, that fixed it and features.tex looks good :)
00:50:27	n1s	great
00:50:43	jac0b	should I just retry?
00:51:54	kugel	Nico_P: Correct me if I'm wrong! The latest albumart-smooth_resize calculates the size of the source bmp in bmp.c, it calculates the size of the resized bmp in albumart.c, and the final resizing is done in buffering.c
00:52:20	Nico_P	kugel: and?
00:52:38	kugel	that doesn't make much sense to me :/
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00:53:16	kugel	For me it would make more sense, if the size of resized bmp would calculated after resizing with the same function the source bmp size was calculated
00:53:26	Nico_P	putting the func that calculates the size of a bitmap in bmp.c makes perfect sense. Where you then use it doesn't matter in the least
00:53:27	kugel	and buffering would stay the same
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00:54:33	kugel	Nico_P: the extra function for calculating the resized bmp is not needed imo
00:54:35	Nico_P	kugel: why would we need to calculate the size of the resized bmp? we know it, since we decide which size we want it to be
00:54:49	Nico_P	and we need to know which size to resize to
00:55:21	kugel	Nico_P: size in terms of bytes
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00:56:18	kugel	we have to know the size (bytes) of the resized bmp before resizing?
00:56:56	Nico_P	yes. to know whether we have enough space to store it.
00:58:01	kugel	enough space?
00:58:30	kugel	hmm
00:58:37	Nico_P	in memory, yes
00:59:15	Nico_P	we can't just write the resized bitmap and hope for the best. plus get_albumart_size also tells us which size to resize to
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01:01:05	kugel	well
01:01:18	kugel	I think I got something wrong then
01:02:08	kugel	I allways thought the space for the album art is fixed, i.e. the size of a bmp with max supported dimensions
01:02:35	kugel	But, I haven't looked too deep in the code yet, so I might have missed it
01:02:59	Nico_P	no. that's an old approach. now it's stored in the audio buffer, since it was committed MoB
01:03:17	Nico_P	with MoB
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01:04:25	kugel	yea, I'm aware of that
01:05:02	kugel	but I wasn't aware of that that the size must be known before buffering
01:05:03	Nico_P	so I don't understand what you were thinking, with the fixed dims
01:05:19	Nico_P	you should look at the SVN albumart handling code
01:05:24	kugel	must be known exactly
01:05:58	Nico_P	it would be a huge waste to just allocate the max possible size
01:06:38	kugel	I looked into albumart.c and I couldn't find where the size is calculated
01:07:16	kugel	anyway, thanks for clarification
01:07:16	Nico_P	load_bitmap (in buffering.c) just writes the bitmap to the audio buffer and then says "I just wrote X bytes to the buffer"
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01:09:19	Nico_P	so it doesn't really need to know the size beforehand. but in the patch we do in order to know if we need to resize
01:09:40	kugel	ah
01:09:46	kugel	see, that was my point
01:10:31	kugel	But I understand, that the size should be known before with resizing, in order to not waste cpu time on resizing
01:10:42	IngenAning	Is there a way, if i am playing an entire album, that i can go from "track view" to album view? like.. to see my progression through the album, so i see a list of tracks, with the current track hilighted
01:11:27	Nico_P	IngenAning: are you playing the album from the database of from the filetree?
01:11:49	kugel	no wait. You need to know the size before resizing in "order know if we need to resize"?
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01:12:56	Nico_P	kugel: yes. you need to know the size of the bitmap file you have (with get_bmp_size), and the size it needs to be displayed as (with get_albumart_size)
01:13:14	kugel	I thought the dimensions of the album art file and the dimensions in the wps tell us if we need to resize, and not the size of the resized bmp
01:13:21	IngenAning	Nico_P: database
01:14:06	kugel	size in terms of bytes
01:14:36	Nico_P	size in bytes and in pixels are very much the same
01:15:08	Nico_P	IngenAning: AFAIK it's not possible in the DB
01:15:19	Nico_P	from the tree it would be "follow playlist"
01:15:33	kugel	So you compare the size in bytes to determine if resize is needed?
01:15:35	IngenAning	so what is the different between the tree and database?
01:15:48	IngenAning	also for some reason, all of the files that i thought i deleted are still in the database..
01:15:57	IngenAning	songs rather
01:16:23	kugel	IngenAning: database uses id3-tags, tree uses filenames
01:16:33	Nico_P	kugel: no. you look at the size in pixels. but you also need to know the size in bytes to see if there is enough memory to store it
01:16:54	kugel	you said you need to know the size in bytes to know if resize is neede
01:17:43	Nico_P	I wasn't talking about the size in bytes, although we do need to know about that one too
01:17:55	Nico_P	get_albumart_size tells us both
01:19:13	Nico_P	kugel: I think you need to look at the patch more closely. I'm not saying there are no mistakes, but the principle looks sound to mle
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01:21:36	kugel	it's quite confusing for me at the moment
01:21:44	kugel	I mean our talk
01:23:13	kugel	you said, as of now we don't need to know the size (in bytes) of the album art ("it doesn't really need to know the size beforehand"). But know it does? and even before resizing?
01:23:30	kugel	but know it does means with resizng
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01:25:06	kugel	uh, "But know it does?" should read "But with resizing it does?" actually
01:25:08	Nico_P	in current SVN, read_bmp_fd is told how much free space there is, and will take care of not writing more than that. It will only succed if it has enough to write the whole bitmap
01:25:49	Nico_P	with the resizing version, we need to do the check ourselves before calling the resizing func
01:26:08	Nico_P	because that function will just blindly write what it has to
01:26:57	kugel	ah, so the check is preferred anyway, it's just not implemented in SVN?
01:27:15	Nico_P	it is. but it's in read_bmp_fd
01:27:28	Nico_P	only we don't use that when we reisze
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01:28:19	kugel	I don't see where the current svn checks before writing
01:29:06	asdrubal	any sansa users here?
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01:29:18	Nico_P	in buffering.c:844 we calculate how much free space the audio buffer has. in 845 we call read_bmp_fd with that value. read_bmp_fd will fail if the bitmap is too big
01:29:34	asdrubal	When I put music into a folder other than <sansa_disk>/music/ it will become corrupted
01:29:53	Nico_P	kugel: the "free" veriable
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01:30:00	kugel	oh it will fail
01:30:05	Nico_P	yes!
01:31:03	asdrubal	Is there a way to add a chess opening book to the chessbox app ?
01:31:15	kugel	I read this lines just now, and I thought it's just in order to have the return value stating the correct value of bytes that have been written. I didn't know that read_bmp_fd will actually fail, and thus load_bmp too
01:31:39	Nico_P	that's what I've been trying to say
01:31:41	kugel	Nico_P: thank you, I think I got it
01:32:04	efexpee	how do i transfer songs to ipod without having to delete everything in ipod
01:32:24	Nico_P	efexpee: just add them where you want
01:32:28	kugel	Nico_P: if you told me earlier that read_bmp_fd will fail
01:32:43	Nico_P	[01:25] <Nico_P> in current SVN, read_bmp_fd is told how much free space there is, and will take care of not writing more than that. It will only succed if it has enough to write the whole bitmap
01:33:26	kugel	I got this sentence wrong
01:33:55	kugel	I read read_bmp_fd will tell us how much space the bmp will need
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01:34:25	kugel	Anyway, great that you helped me out.
01:34:33	Nico_P	you're welcome ;)
01:34:38	*	Nico_P should get to bed now
01:34:58	kugel	Nico_P: Same here, but I couldn't sleep without this issue cleared ;)
01:35:10	Nico_P	hehe I know the feeling
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01:36:04	kugel	I'm a coder at all. I just need more C experience and get to know rockbox source better.
01:36:37	kugel	but actually, I had no idea of C at all 4 month ago. rockbox is teaching me
01:36:47	Nico_P	I started the same way a few years ago
01:37:13	Nico_P	for learning the source code I recommend using an IDE that can take you to the definition of a symbol or show you call graphs
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01:37:28	kugel	cool, looks like you're the jedi and i am the padawan
01:37:42	Nico_P	I use kscope (basically kate with cscope)
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01:38:00	kugel	never used a IDE actually
01:38:09	kugel	sounds like a good idea though.
01:38:21	kugel	However, kate's bugging me quite a lot.
01:39:05	Nico_P	you can use cscope in vim and probably emacs, but I don't know how well it is integrated. also maybe there is a similar gnome app
01:39:18	Nico_P	the advantage of kscope is that it was built around cscope
01:39:40	kugel	just installed it
01:40:32	*	Nico_P goes to bed
01:40:39	kugel	good night
01:40:43	Nico_P	thanks :)
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01:51:52	IngenAning	So where do i put my music on my new rockbox device, and how do i put it there?
01:53:56	krazykit	wherever you want and however you want.
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02:24:18	IngenAning	if i enabled last.fm support, how does it sync up?
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03:17:16	EsotericWisp	ROCKBOX KILLED MY IPOD TOUCH
03:17:35	EsotericWisp	I AM SUING YOU ALL
03:18:22	EsotericWisp	UNLESS YOU CAN HELP
03:18:33	scorche	rockbox doesnt even work ont he ipod touch..and please stop using caps
03:20:03	EsotericWisp	no dip it dosent work. it killed my ipod touch
03:20:14	scorche	and how would it do that?
03:21:11	EsotericWisp	I transferred the files but when it started it said that rockbox had a memory error on sector 0000000000001
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03:23:37	scorche	EsotericWisp: what you are saying is impossible...the bootloader simply cant be installed on the touch
03:23:54	EsotericWisp	I am still suing
03:23:57	EsotericWisp	bnbnn
03:23:58	EsotericWisp	n
03:23:58	EsotericWisp	n
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03:23:58	EsotericWisp	n
03:23:58	JdGordon	go for it
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03:24:00	EsotericWisp	nn
03:24:21	EsotericWisp	are you sure.
03:24:40	JdGordon	we'll glady refund your money
03:24:58	JdGordon	and considering your lieing youll lose the case anyway
03:25:03	EsotericWisp	good
03:25:30	EsotericWisp	No. i am serious. it half booted and then failed
03:25:46	scorche	no, you arent....now are you done yet?
03:25:49	JdGordon	no your lieing... its im[possible to run any rockbox code on a touch
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03:26:09	scorche	unless you figured out how...we would love to know
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03:26:26	EsotericWisp	NO YOU UGLY BUTT I AM NOT LIENG
03:26:39	EsotericWisp	YOU ALL SUCK
03:26:44	JdGordon	ok, so take a photo of your touch with this mystieries error
03:26:52	EsotericWisp	fine
03:27:23	EsotericWisp	let me go get my camera...
03:28:04	Davide-NYC	Gentlemen, I have here an iHP-120 with a Compact Flash card in it.
03:28:15	countrymonkey	What is it about the language he is using?
03:28:34	JdGordon	Davide-NYC: nice :)
03:28:37	countrymonkey	I didn't know that ihp-120s had cf card slots.
03:28:47	Davide-NYC	It mounts as a USB drive on my windos machine, but gives me an ATA -80 error
03:28:59	Davide-NYC	when booting to Rockbox
03:29:01	JdGordon	the ata init is probably different?
03:29:23	Davide-NYC	I know nothing of these things and was hoping for a quick assist.
03:29:24	JdGordon	isnt there a patch to get CF working with ipods? you may have to use that or similar
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03:29:59	*	Davide-NYC looking
03:30:09	countrymonkey	I hate to ask, but I feel 8496 is niglected. It fixes a spelling mistake.
03:30:26	countrymonkey	It is on the wiki's MiniCF topic.
03:32:00	countrymonkey	And 8359 should be closed; it was superceded by another patch commit.
03:32:22	JdGordon	Davide-NYC: looks like a simple enough patch... although im guessing there is more to it that that
03:32:29	JdGordon	where did you get the adaptor?
03:32:40	Davide-NYC	JdGordon: fleabay
03:32:52	JdGordon	k
03:33:11	Davide-NYC	ther is also this little nugget which has my attention. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15355.0
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03:40:14	Davide-NYC	Confused (as always)... shouldn't I remove the entire sleep portion of the ata.c file?
03:40:27	EsotericWisp	Ok i got it. how do I submit it
03:40:33	EsotericWisp	the picture
03:41:38	advlaptop2019	EsotericWisp, you use your own host and paste the link here
03:41:41	XavierGr	EsotericWisp: use an image host service and tell us the link
03:41:45	Davide-NYC	JdGordon: the patch modifies ata.c with the following: #if !defined(IPOD_NANO) && !defined(IPOD_MINI) && !defined(IPOD_MINI2G)
03:42:15	JdGordon	Davide-NYC: dunno... try it and see what happens
03:42:38	JdGordon	finding out what ATA -80 is would probably be a good start
03:42:47	Davide-NYC	well, to me that IF ends up being TRUE for my iRiver H120 and the rest of that code execute...
03:43:06	Davide-NYC	where would I look for a definition of ATA -80?
03:43:31	JdGordon	google, its probably a generic value, not rockbox specific
03:43:52	Davide-NYC	nope
03:43:54	Davide-NYC	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12330.msg114960#msg114960
03:44:06	Davide-NYC	that's what google give (LOL)
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03:44:32	EsotericWisp	http://www.easysite.com/cepron under pictures
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03:44:43	countrymonkey	EsotericWisp: sendspace.com is a good host
03:45:10	JdGordon	EsotericWisp: seriously.. how stupid do you think we are?
03:45:12	scorche	hahaha....a build from 2005?
03:45:27	Davide-NYC	LOL
03:45:34	XavierGr	roflmao
03:45:41	EsotericWisp	VERY stupid
03:45:48	JdGordon	apparently
03:45:56	countrymonkey	what's all the fun? I'm blind so cannot see the pic
03:46:00	JdGordon	your not the same guy who brought us HFS+ support are you?
03:46:02	Davide-NYC	It doesn't even line up. No attempt to perspective correct.
03:46:26	scorche	EsotericWisp: so now that we have had our laughs, are you done here, or must i shoo you away?
03:46:30	EsotericWisp	My cammera is a little buggy...
03:46:44	EsotericWisp	and make me lleave
03:46:52	EsotericWisp	i dare you
03:46:54	*	JdGordon has no idea what target that is a photo of..
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03:46:57	scorche	ok
03:46:58	Davide-NYC	Totally amateur fake cut'n'paste photochop job.
03:46:59	JdGordon	bye
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03:47:10	Davide-NYC	thanks scorche
03:47:16	XavierGr	that was brilliant though it made my night :)
03:47:23	JdGordon	thats going to GoldenQuotes
03:47:27	XavierGr	indeed
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03:48:10	Davide-NYC	post the pic to the page too!
03:48:34	countrymonkey	Here he comes again...
03:48:52	soap	what target is that photo from?
03:48:53	scorche	well, of course...it was only a kick..
03:49:06	countrymonkey	ipod touch
03:49:06	soap	Or was it stretched before horribly edited?
03:49:09	EsotericWisp	it was gimp btw
03:49:22	scorche	EsotericWisp: are you going to behave now?
03:49:28	EsotericWisp	and the photo was frim an ipod nano
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03:49:52	EsotericWisp	and I think it is a pretty good job
03:49:56	JdGordon	cant be a nano
03:50:08	EsotericWisp	Video?
03:50:09	countrymonkey	I've met my match as far as weird people.
03:50:13	*	scorche awaits an answer
03:50:14	JdGordon	h300
03:50:28	JdGordon	thats the only colour target from 05
03:50:47	countrymonkey	EsotericWisp what is the disk size?
03:50:59	EsotericWisp	8 gb−−-
03:51:34	EsotericWisp	And i wont leave untill 7 people compliment my work
03:51:39	EsotericWisp	!!!
03:51:40	JdGordon	your a moron
03:51:43	JdGordon	go away
03:51:46	EsotericWisp	1
03:51:47	scorche	is that a "no, i wont behave"?
03:52:02	EsotericWisp	no that is a i want reconition
03:52:08	EsotericWisp	thing
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03:52:41	countrymonkey	get him scorche! hell yeh :)
03:52:42	XavierGr	EsotericWisp: you've won a place in the golden quote page that's for sure
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03:54:54	Davide-NYC	Guys... I need help here for one sec. I applied the ata.c patch and still have this ATA error -80 problem. I presume that I need to modify ata.c starting at line 909.
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03:58:04	Davide-NYC	Line 909 says #ifndef IPOD_NANO ... if I wanted to add the H120 what would I write?
04:00
04:00:44	Davide-NYC	or I can just delete that chunk of code. (crosses fingers)
04:02:33	XavierGr	Davide-NYC: do you get the error on the bootloader or after the firmware is loaded?
04:02:47	Davide-NYC	bootloader
04:03:20	XavierGr	so you are sure that you get the error before the firmware is run?
04:03:42	Davide-NYC	This is what it says: "ATA error: -80 Insert USB cable and press a button"
04:03:59	XavierGr	then it could be quite tricky to fix it, you will have to flash your h100 with a new bootloader that you have modified
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04:04:14	XavierGr	hehe
04:04:14	*	scorche boggles
04:04:23	scorche	logbot: never seen you say that :)
04:04:33	XavierGr	yeah quite a pleasant surprise
04:05:42	Davide-NYC	yes, this error is seen even before the bootloader message (version and battery level messages)
04:06:08	XavierGr	Davide-NYC: what ever you do if you try to flash a new bootloader don't every try to change the code that loads the OF, start hacking after that point
04:06:28	countrymonkey	Did someone bann eseteric wisp?
04:06:39	XavierGr	Davide-NYC: have you got your H100 flashed with Slasheri's bootloader?
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04:06:59	Davide-NYC	XavierGr: OK. I will take note of that. No, I am usung the official Version 6
04:07:03	Davide-NYC	*using
04:08:08	Davide-NYC	I use the H120 for recording a lot and a silent device would be wonderful.
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04:09:06	XavierGr	Davide-NYC: of course I assume that you know the risks of bricking your unit if you tamper the bootloader?
04:09:30	Davide-NYC	Yes I do. Question: Should I expect the OF to recognize a fully supported CF card? Maybe it's just the card...
04:09:38	XavierGr	I would ask some help from Linus before hacking it
04:09:51	XavierGr	Davide-NYC: no i shouldn't expect the OF to boot if rockbox can't
04:09:53	XavierGr	did you try?
04:09:58	Davide-NYC	It does.
04:10:10	Davide-NYC	But it shows 000files and 000folders
04:10:19	Davide-NYC	even though I transfered files to the card.
04:10:23	Llorean	That's what happens when it doesn't recognize the disk
04:10:28	Llorean	It'll do that if you format it NTFS
04:10:30	XavierGr	ah yes the OF boots even without a disk
04:10:32	Davide-NYC	FAT32
04:10:46	Davide-NYC	The card came FAT and I formatted to FAT32
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04:10:48	XavierGr	so it will boot even if it has problems with the cf card
04:11:11	Davide-NYC	to the OF yes. It will boot even if you have no HD in the unit or even a bad HD
04:11:26	Davide-NYC	FM will work, etc.
04:11:47	Davide-NYC	trying a scandisk
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04:14:20	Davide-NYC	scandisk = no love
04:15:54	Davide-NYC	I cannot mess with the bootloader. I just can't. I will first attempt this in another player, then with another card. It would be nice to know exactly what to look for when ordering one of these.
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04:17:41	PimpIntheFlesh	the video's on my sansa e250R w/rockbox is not centered on the screen any idea
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04:18:42	soap	I am guessing, PimpIntheFlesh, (ironic name BTW) you never scaled them and are only seeing the top left corner of your video?
04:19:27	PimpIntheFlesh	it looks like im seeing the top left corner. the video converter i have doesn't seem to be scaling correctly
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04:19:35	PimpIntheFlesh	any good ideas on a converter
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04:21:16	soap	the wiki suggests ffmpeg - winFF if you are on windows.
04:22:16	PimpIntheFlesh	i'll try winff
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04:25:21	Davide-NYC	Check it −−> http://pastebin.com/m66ffc9eb
04:25:32	Davide-NYC	does that even make any sense?
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04:28:15	Davide-NYC	jhMikeS: you around?
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04:31:31	jhMikeS	Davide-NYC: hello
04:31:49	Davide-NYC	hey! I'm trying hack a CF card into my H120
04:32:03	Davide-NYC	there's some issue with sleep commands in ata.c
04:32:21	jhMikeS	now an F120? :)
04:32:26	Davide-NYC	I do not want to kill my H120, but I'd LOVE to have no moving parts in there.
04:32:41	Davide-NYC	More like an F12 sine the card is only 2GB
04:32:46	jhMikeS	perhaps just remove the sleep commands for now
04:32:57	Davide-NYC	like this? http://pastebin.com/m66ffc9eb
04:33:43	Davide-NYC	really what it wants is some pretty defines and a Flash_Drive option during configure...
04:34:41	female	sleep commands? oh my bible says to save Gods commands
04:34:43	female	lol
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04:35:20	Davide-NYC	I guess I need to create a custom bootloader-h120.bin but I don;t know how. Am I on the right track here?
04:35:23	jhMikeS	Davide-NYC: What about the ata poweroff stuff?
04:35:37	Davide-NYC	is that in ata.c too?
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04:36:10	Davide-NYC	I'm getting my info from the forum. What we really need is a good wiki page. I'm willing to start it but I have no idea what I'm doing here (yet)
04:36:11	jhMikeS	yes, there's a #define for that
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04:38:16	maxftball	missing packet start code prefix: )) at FEC..... I get this every time i try to start a video on rockbox with a sansa e260
04:38:22	maxftball	can anyone help me?
04:38:45	Llorean	maxftball: What SVN revision is your build?
04:38:51	maxftball	))= 00
04:39:09	jhMikeS	old no doubt
04:39:17	Llorean	Almost undoubtedly
04:39:39	jhMikeS	definitely undoubtedly :) mpegplayer doesn't even produce that now
04:39:53	maxftball	where can i get a new one?
04:40:03	maxftball	new version
04:40:12	jhMikeS	latest daily or build one
04:41:05	Davide-NYC	I wish to build my own bootloader. Where do I find the necessary information to do so
04:41:07	Davide-NYC	?
04:43:49	JdGordon	for the h100... not a good idea... easy to brick it
04:44:02	Davide-NYC	well crap.
04:44:08	Davide-NYC	:-)
04:44:31	Davide-NYC	I mkdir h120 inside bootloader.
04:44:44	Davide-NYC	I configure a makefile for h120 and bootloader
04:44:47	Davide-NYC	I make
04:45:38	Davide-NYC	I get a bootloader dir inside h120 which contains bootloader.bin
04:46:03	Davide-NYC	I presume I can now follow the instructions from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot ?
04:46:04	maxftball	ug now i get "incompatibleversion"
04:46:23	jhMikeS	removing poweroff stuff shouldn't prevent an installed HD from working
04:47:05	Davide-NYC	I need to swap the HDs to "upgrade" the firmware so a working mechanical HD wouldbe good.
04:47:12	maxftball	what does it play mpeg1 or 2?
04:47:45	Davide-NYC	I'm going to try just the pastebin change I linked to earlier as that has been reported to work.
04:49:27	maxftball	I got "incompatible version" now
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04:51:36	jhMikeS	maxftball: extract the whole new build
04:52:31	maxftball	ok
04:52:41	Davide-NYC	OK, my resultant bootloader.bin is bigger than the one that is available on the wiki even though I removed code. What version of the bootloader is in SVN right now?
04:53:02	jhMikeS	maxftball: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
04:53:08	*	Davide-NYC terrified
04:53:19	jhMikeS	isn't the wiki one quite a bit older
04:53:39	Davide-NYC	it dates from, jul 2006. so I guess so.
04:54:09	Llorean	Davide-NYC: The one in SVN may contain a lot of changes that aren't in any currently available bootloader
04:54:27	Llorean	Davide-NYC: As you were told by JdGordon, it's not a good idea to compile your own bootloader unless you have hardware to recover your ROM if you brick it
04:54:50	Davide-NYC	and there is no guarantee that these recent changes are stable so I shouldn't be doing this....
04:55:25	Davide-NYC	plus I'm not a programmer so who knows if my syntax is correct even if the logic should work.
04:55:40	*	Davide-NYC smacks my face
05:00
05:03:07	Davide-NYC	alright, I am sufficiently freaked out. New tactic: Take the bootloader_h120_7pre4 plunge, and see if that helps. Stay tuned.
05:04:55	maxftball	yay it works
05:05:02	maxftball	Thanks :)
05:05:25	*	jhMikeS envisions Davide-NYC in the Post Office mailing a package to Sweden :)
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05:38:21	asdrubal	Is it normal for rockbox to take over 10 minutes to update the database?
05:38:31	asdrubal	I have 2gigs of music 1 gig built in, and 1 gig in a microsd
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05:40:26	countrymonkey	ja, sí, yes
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05:43:09	asdrubal	Anyone?
05:43:25	asdrubal	could someone help me? My database is stuck updating
05:43:37	asdrubal	can't get it to work at all... shoudl I delete previous database files?
05:43:41	asdrubal	how.. etc
05:44:25	asdrubal	I encountered corruption on the disk earlier... What should I look for to see if my database is stuck updating.... can I fix it by deleting some files?
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05:46:18	countrymonkey	The answer is, delete the .rockbox/databace_. files on your dap. Redo the update process and try again.
05:46:48	asdrubal	ok
05:46:54	asdrubal	I'll try that and report back to you!
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05:51:15	countrymonkey	I'll be going in about 10 minutes.
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05:52:03	asdrubal	countrymonkey, how long does it usually take to update database ?
05:52:05	asdrubal	I have 2 gigs of music
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05:53:45	countrymonkey	2 gigs, let me see, about 10 mins on an hdd player. I don't know about a sansa (flash-bassed player). I would expect it to take a shorter time. I don't think it does microsd music anyway so you're probably down to 1 gb.
05:53:47	Kernel	hello all. does rockbox still not support add on devices for the ipods?...ie the radio broadcaster that plugs in the same place the charger does(usb port??)
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05:54:56	countrymonkey	I have gotten an itrip (remote port) device to work but you must use it's default you cannot talk with it. I have heard reports about dock connecting things (some things) working, but I'm not sure.
05:55:18	Kernel	hmm
05:55:23	countrymonkey	but officially the answer is no
05:55:42	countrymonkey	try the IpodAccessaries wikipage.
05:55:57	countrymonkey	if I even spelled that word right
05:56:02	Kernel	lol
05:56:06	Kernel	ok thanks :-)
05:56:23	countrymonkey	Hey, I am a horrible speller. :P
05:56:39	Kernel	lol. i am the WORST speller ;-)
05:56:52	Llorean	countrymonkey: You could be responsible, and verify the page exists and/or use google to check the spelling before telling someone to go there
05:56:52	countrymonkey	You're better than me.
05:57:34	countrymonkey	Well, I know the page exists (I bought my itrip because of that page!)
05:57:52	Llorean	Yes, but the page you typed doesn't exist, because you got the spelling wrong
05:57:55	countrymonkey	or, should I say, working off that page.
05:58:46	countrymonkey	gotta go, it's almost 9 here. Gotta get some sleep. night
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06:01:04	Kernel	hmm i dont see the page off the main wiki page
06:01:12	Kernel	doh!. missed him by a second@
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06:04:24	Davide-NYC	confused about RAM and ROM and the difference between the two things/
06:04:49	Llorean	That's something you could just check on wikipedia...
06:04:58	Davide-NYC	I've loaded rockbox.iriver and rombox.iriver to flash. What's the difference in this instance?
06:05:03	Llorean	Aaah
06:05:22	Llorean	Rockbox executing from ROM saves you a little bit of RAM for buffering purposes.
06:05:26	Llorean	But may be slightly slower
06:06:21	Davide-NYC	but it's not really ROM then, since I wrote rockbox to it.
06:06:30	*	Davide-NYC scratching head
06:06:46	Llorean	ROM never means that it's physically impossible to write to.
06:06:53	Llorean	If that were the case, it wouldn't be programmable in the first place.
06:06:53	Davide-NYC	didn;t know that
06:07:08	JdGordon	ROM usually means write once...
06:07:19	JdGordon	here its write a hell of a lot less often than read
06:07:20	Llorean	ROM usually either means "the first time you write to it, it's permanent" or "you're not supposed to write to this"
06:07:59	Davide-NYC	Anyways, I'm officially forever saying goodbye to the iriver firmware.
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06:08:36	kaimuki	the roms you can write to are eeproms
06:09:08	kaimuki	unlike ram, it'll keep it's data even if it doesnt have a charge going into it
06:10:05	Davide-NYC	so when I choose "Boot RAM image" I'm actually loading the RAM with the ROM image and then executing it?
06:10:25	kaimuki	yep, thats what I'm under the impression that it does
06:10:47	kaimuki	but I'm fairly new to rockbox
06:11:02	Llorean	Davide-NYC: No.
06:11:07	Davide-NYC	arghh
06:11:09	kaimuki	well there ya go :)
06:11:10	Davide-NYC	:-)
06:11:15	Llorean	The RAM and ROM images are linked differently
06:11:31	Llorean	When you choose "Boot RAM image" you're loading the copy that's designed to be executed in RAM into RAM and executing it.
06:11:35	Llorean	That's why you have to flash both images.
06:12:36	Davide-NYC	I see, so both images are stored in ROM but the RAM image (in ROM) gets loaded to RAM and then executed whereas the ROM image just gets run from where it is (in ROM)
06:12:50	Llorean	Yes, basically
06:13:18	Davide-NYC	sweet, I will attempt to make (gentle) changes to the wiki to improve clarity.
06:13:30	Davide-NYC	cause it wasn't clear to me at all.
06:13:51	kaimuki	are there any p2 owners in here? cause I wanna start porting :)
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06:16:22	countrymonkey	someone said they missed me by a second?
06:16:51	countrymonkey	I got involved in an e-mail war with a friend so might as well finish it and hang around here
06:17:18	Davide-NYC	Llorean: one last question... is the bootloader.bin file that I compiled the same file as the bootloader.irver file I downloaded from the wiki? If not how do they differ?
06:17:41	JdGordon	i dont think they are the same... no idea how they differ though
06:18:04	Llorean	I think there's a difference of a header.
06:18:06	Llorean	But I'm nto sure.
06:18:40	Llorean	You shouldn't use a bootloader you compiled yourself ever, unless you know well enough to know exactly why you _must_ do it.
06:19:19	Davide-NYC	I heard you the first time. I'm on a mission to brick me some technology.
06:19:26	Davide-NYC	(just kidding)
06:19:44	countrymonkey	I hoped
06:21:10	r4v5	if you want to brick technology, i've got an old blender you can smash
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06:22:38	countrymonkey	I have an already bricked mp3 player you can smash to pieces. An old 64 mb one.
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06:29:25	Davide-NYC	Is it reasonable to put in a flyspray request that the required CFModH1x0 changes be figured out and that a CF enabled bootloader build option be rolled into the configure menu?
06:29:48	Davide-NYC	Just like the RTCModH1x0 stuff?
06:29:57	Davide-NYC	(almost)
06:31:24	Llorean	I dunno if it's reasonable to make a feature request.
06:31:39	Llorean	It seems that the people writing the code for a hardware mod should be the people interested in actually doing the mod
06:31:45	Llorean	But that's personal opinion only
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06:42:23	Davide-NYC	true, but from an "audio only" perspective the removal of a spinning HD is the last thing on my wishlist for the H1x0. Since Compat Flash is becoming 'cheap' I suspect this will be a popular modification.
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06:42:55	Davide-NYC	hopefully an interested and able party reads this and is inspired.
06:45:05	klaatu	scorche: ping
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07:06:48	midgey	kkurbjun: always nice to see gigabeat work :)
07:07:18	midgey	have you made any more progress with flashing?
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07:10:13	JdGordon	kkurbjun: traitor! mr500 is more important :p
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07:15:24	kkurbjun	midgey, yes, flash boot is working properly now, I ran into some trouble where the LCD was not coming up, now it works thanks to that commit. I want it to be out there for a while so that other people can report if they are having LCD troubles incase something is messed up with the initialization
07:15:37	kkurbjun	Jdgordon, :), I got distracted
07:16:00	midgey	excellent!
07:16:20	kkurbjun	I havn't tried booting straight up without using even the rockbox bootloader, but I think that should work as well
07:16:35	moos	wee for flash \o/
07:17:31	kkurbjun	I can't wait to have my non-debug player running without any toshiba cruft. It would be nice to have a wake up alarm on it.
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07:19:28	JdGordon	has anyone got a h300 and can test a plugin for me real quick?
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07:22:32	JdGordon	Davide-NYC: you hae a h300 dont you?
07:23:19	JdGordon	hmm.... actually i may not need a real target
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07:26:02	ryran	I've got a general svn question. I've always wondered what 'fix red', 'fix yellow', etc are talking about... anyone?
07:26:11	JdGordon	the h300 has pretty much all the HAVE_* defines doesnt it? (apart from the hwcodec ones obviously)?
07:26:26	JdGordon	ryran: http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi
07:27:43	ryran	hmmm... I've always wondered about that page too. oh well. ;)
07:28:18	ryran	well, the filesize delta graph I get, but anyway.
07:28:22	JdGordon	the fix red/yellow talks about the top table, which is a graphical version of the build log
07:28:30	JdGordon	compile errors/warnings
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07:30:45	ryran	oh wow. duh. I should've just clicked on one and would've seen that. thanks for explaining JdGordon
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07:48:48	Kernel	can anyone point me in the right direction to get my itrip working on my video ipod?. someone here earlier mentioned it could be done
07:48:59	Kernel	but i dont see anything about it on the rockbox site.
07:49:35	JdGordon	the itrip is an fm transmitter?
07:49:47	Kernel	yea
07:50:31	Kernel	plugs into the bottom...i know it isnt supported bt from what i understood it can be done.
07:50:58	JdGordon	is it marked supported here? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories if not then you probably cant use it
07:51:01	Kernel	would be great...as i mainly use my ipod in my car
07:52:00	cool_walking_	It might work if you boot the OF with it plugged in then reboot to Rockbox.
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07:53:21	Kernel	says its not suported on that page.
07:53:39	Kernel	guess ill stick to the original firmware.
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08:00:11	Bigfella	hello?
08:00:37	Bigfella	anyone hear me?
08:00:53	Bigfella	i need help:(
08:00:57	Bigfella	:(
08:01:09	kaimuki	i have an h300 jdgordon
08:01:24	JdGordon	its ok, decided i dont need a real target... using the sim instead
08:01:27	kaimuki	ask what you need big... if somebody can help they will
08:01:38	kaimuki	okay :)
08:01:51	Bigfella	after installing Rockbox on my 30G 5 Ipod, It won't turn on anymore
08:01:54	kaimuki	well you've got mine at your disposal if u want
08:01:58	Bigfella	Nor is it reconised by my PC
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08:03:18	kaimuki	u read this thread?
08:03:19	kaimuki	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8205.0
08:04:20	Bigfella	ok, ill try the re-set trick
08:05:24	Bigfella	it worked, cheers mate :D
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08:07:32	kaimuki	np :)
08:08:19	Bigfella	i guess i'll go finish my homework
08:08:25	Bigfella	thanks again mate:D
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08:08:56	kaimuki	so i keep askin, and there's never anybody here... but might as well keep askin until somebody shows up: any p2 owners wanna help me port?
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08:10:45	JdGordon	kaimuki: start a thread in the new ports part of the forum, do the usual first steps
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08:11:18	kaimuki	there's already a thread started
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08:12:08	kaimuki	but i'm havin a really hard time trying figure out how to power up the lcd and backlight without more info... and I don't wanna take my p2 apart :P
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08:12:32	JdGordon	your in a pickle then
08:13:05	kaimuki	hehe... ya... if only i knew the startup sequence... or even which lines were connected to the lcd
08:13:22	JdGordon	start reverse engineering the OF
08:13:37	kaimuki	yeah I already started
08:13:51	kaimuki	but it would be so much easier with at least 1 of those 2 pieces of info
08:14:20	JdGordon	then pull it apart...
08:14:25	kaimuki	lol
08:14:28	kaimuki	i may have to
08:14:37	kaimuki	but I'm not sure if I even have a multimeter here
08:14:48	JdGordon	alays with the problems.....
08:14:51	JdGordon	always*
08:15:02	kaimuki	of course... thats why I'm askin for help ;)
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08:57:54	JdGordon	kaimuki: shame the p2 doesnt have a micro sd slot... i would buy one in an instant if it did!
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10:02:15	GodEater	hahaha
10:02:22	GodEater	was that from last night ?
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10:03:14	GodEater	classic
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10:09:07	Bagder	the date stamp in the pic
10:09:25	petur	it was the first thing I noticed ;)
10:09:46	petur	and the streched graphics of course
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10:47:58	markun	kkurbjun: hey, how did you fix it?
10:51:52	GodEater	a smart logbot ought to be able to op and deop himself as required
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10:53:30	Bagder	GodEater: the dancer development stopped about 10 years ago ;-)
10:53:45	GodEater	there are other bots ;)
10:54:01	Bagder	very true
10:55:47	Bagder	but none with that same old fashioned spirit ;-)
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11:10:03	markun	kkurbjun: never mind, just read your email
11:11:19	petur	markun: still planning to come to Gent?
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11:14:14	Casainho_	petur: are you from Gent? :-)
11:14:25	petur	yup
11:14:48	markun	petur: not very solid plans, but some day yes.
11:14:48	Casainho_	oh, I were there last here, on Boomball festival :-) - do you know that festival? :-)
11:15:01	HxxxCFmod	could I bring this http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15259.msg115044#new to the developers attention, seems thats a good modification that needs some help
11:15:56	petur	Casainho_: not really
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11:17:56	HxxxCFmod	it appears that rockbox has difficulty reading some compact flash cards, whereas the apple firmware dosn't,
11:18:23	Casainho_	petur: http://www.boombal.be/ −−> it's about folk dance and music, wich I love :-) ;-)
11:18:29	Bagder	HxxxCFmod: so someone with such flash cards should start looking at code
11:18:48	markun	Bagder: do you know where the DMA mode is set?
11:18:54	Bagder	no
11:19:01	petur	HxxCFmod: my A-Data card has arrived today, I'll try it in my h320 tonight. It is a x266 one
11:19:22	HxxxCFmod	yep, but the guys aren't sure whether its a bootloader issue or elsewhere
11:19:28	petur	Casainho_: that probably explains why I don't know it :D
11:20:03	Casainho_	petur: :-) :-) - okok :-)
11:20:04	Bagder	HxxxCFmod: at what point is what problem appearing?
11:20:17	*	petur gets reminded of the incompatibility between svn bootloader and his h380
11:20:37	HxxxCFmod	Bagder; during boot with rockbox ata -80 error
11:21:01	Bagder	I'd guess the bootloader and rockbox will have the same error then
11:21:37	Casainho_	petur: I am from Portugal, I loved to see a lot of people using bikes!! :-) and I didn't like the polluted water :-( :-(
11:21:46	HxxxCFmod	you mean code will have to be modified in both ?
11:22:03	Bagder	HxxxCFmod: they use the same code...
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11:22:18	Bagder	for ata etc at least
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11:22:31	GodEater	I've been looking at the issue for most of the last 24 hours
11:22:40	GodEater	I can't work out where a -80 return code can come from :(
11:22:40	HxxxCFmod	show how much I know, thanks for the info
11:23:33	HxxxCFmod	different spec cards, some work fine others dont, the clue lies in the different specification of the CF cards
11:24:00	gevaerts	It seems tha no published recovery method can really recover a sansa c200 from "correctly" damaged partition tables and FAT bootsectors
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11:24:56	GodEater	gevaerts: "correctly damaged" ?
11:25:02	gevaerts	I just had to recover using my e200rpatcher-based reinitializer again
11:25:06	*	GodEater writes this interesting description down
11:25:16	Bagder	gevaerts: right, your recovery tool is needed for that
11:25:35	Bagder	we should make that possible for others to create
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11:25:58	Bagder	I find it rather stupid of sandisk though
11:26:00	*	gevaerts notes that when USBCV MSC tests warn about destroying data on your device, it is serious
11:26:23	petur	no kidding...
11:26:34	gevaerts	Bagder: basically that means a partitionner and a mkfs
11:27:12	gevaerts	Bagder: my current tool just restores "known good" blocks, so it won't work on any other size of flash
11:27:38	Bagder	ah ok, but perhaps we could at least make a description on how you made it
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11:28:05	Bagder	of course, you're the first one to hit this problem so it's not likely to be a huge problem
11:29:17	gevaerts	Bagder: I think the most "common" case would be people repartitioning their devices. The way I did it probably is not very common.
11:29:20	Bagder	is "ata -80 error" the _exact_ error message?
11:29:39	Bagder	of the CF problem
11:30:43	markun	Bagder: I see some "rc * 10 - x" lines, so I also don't understand how it could be -80
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11:31:01	Bagder	yes, I'm also browsing through there trying to figure it out
11:31:02	petur	rc < 0
11:31:23	Bagder	right, x could be -10
11:31:26	petur	and x = 10
11:31:30	*	petur late
11:31:33	Bagder	DEBUGF("set_features() - CMD failed\n");
11:31:34	Bagder	return -10 - i;
11:31:38	Bagder	for example
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11:32:31	markun	Should all devices support PIO?
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11:35:15	Bagder	I see it
11:35:27	Bagder	set_features() returns -20
11:35:35	Bagder	rc = set_features();
11:35:35	Bagder	if (rc)
11:35:36	Bagder	return -60 + rc;
11:35:53	Bagder	ata.c:1089
11:35:57	markun	Maybe we should clean up the error codes a bit :)
11:36:06	Bagder	yeah, this is a maze
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11:48:47	barrywardell	anyone here with a mini2g who check if they get the problem reported in FS #8559?
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11:53:03	*	amiconn would go hexadecimal for the error returns
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11:53:24	amiconn	Allows more different codes per function, and the multiplication is a shift
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12:07:30	preglow	oh, we do, but not for line out, which doesn't matter
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13:13:43	gevaerts	Something that the wiki should probably mention somewhere : it _is_ possible for rockbox to hang with all lights off (well, there has to be a bug somewhere of course...). If that happens, holding the power button for a long time still shuts off the player, but there is no visual feedback
13:13:54	gevaerts	(speaking of sansa here)
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13:17:14	gevaerts	Also, I'd like to put my 'how I recovered my partition table and FAT bootsector' somewhere on the wiki. Any hints on where ? (I'm not sure the SansaE200Unbrick page is the correct one, since it's currently not a "just run this tool" solution, and it can (f done wrong) actually transform an e200-tool recoverable player in a player that requires my tricks)
13:21:00	*	gevaerts is a wiki newbie
13:24:13	gevaerts	bertrik: (if you read the logs) Be careful about the MSC tests in USBCV. They are serious about possibly damaging data. If possible, make some kind of backup of your partition table first, that should at least make recovery slightly easier.
13:27:02	petur	gevaerts: do you already have a wiki account?
13:27:11	*	petur thinks not
13:27:36	gevaerts	petur: not yet
13:31:06	*	gevaerts now is FrankGeverts
13:31:16	*	gevaerts mean FrankGevaerts on the wiki
13:31:28	*	petur goes to give write access
13:31:49	*	gevaerts 's keyboard has it's backspace much too close to the enter key
13:33:45	*	petur welcomes gevaerts to the wiki ;)
13:33:58	*	gevaerts thanks petur
13:34:35	gevaerts	petur: do you have some hints on where to put this stuff ?
13:34:57	petur	isn't there some sansa port faq?
13:35:30	petur	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Port
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13:37:22	amiconn	gevaerts: The Sansa powers off after holding the power button for 15+ seconds. This is a hardware feature
13:38:11	gevaerts	amiconn: I know. What I actually meant is that if it hangs with all lights off, it's hard to distinguish this from 'my sansa doesn't power up any more'
13:39:41	amiconn	Yes of course. A bug is a bug and can cause about everything....
13:40:16	*	gevaerts thinks the sansa info on the wiki would benefit from some reorganisation. Mainly some more cross-links between c200 and e200, or some shared pages, would be useful
13:40:45	petur	you have write access ;)
13:42:59	gevaerts	amiconn: Of course. I know that I added the bug that caused it for me myself... I think I'll add a mention to the sansa FAQ about it ("if your player doesn't seem to start up, it might be stuck in an indetrminate state. In that case, holding the power button for 15+ seconds should power it off completely.")
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14:53:19	preglow	do we use 'ize' or 'ise' endings in the manual? both seem to be present
14:54:40	petur	isn't 'ize' the preferred spelling?
14:55:42	petur	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#-ise.2C_-ize
14:55:56	GodEater	we use British English for preference
14:56:00	GodEater	and so therefore should use "ise"
14:56:05	preglow	british english accepts both ize and ise
14:56:10	preglow	ize is historically the more correct
14:56:19	GodEater	really? Where is "ize" acceptable ?
14:56:23	preglow	everywhere
14:56:34	GodEater	give me an example ?
14:56:34	preglow	http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutspelling/ize?view=uk
14:57:07	GodEater	news to me
14:57:12	GodEater	I'd never use "ize"
14:57:55	preglow	i don't really care, i can use both with equal ease, but we need a convention for the manual
14:58:07	preglow	and these days i actually just use 'ize' myself, but i tended towards 'ise' before
14:58:08	GodEater	we speaking as a Brit, I'd say go with "ise"
14:58:20	GodEater	but I'm only one voice :)
14:58:33	preglow	i'll ask some of the other manual people later on
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15:51:55	Webbmaster	will rockbox run on the SanDisk Sansa e260?
15:52:46	LambdaCalculus37	Yes, it will.
15:52:58	LambdaCalculus37	Before you install, however, is yours a v2?
15:53:19	LambdaCalculus37	Or is it an R model?
15:54:10	Webbmaster	im thikning of buying
15:54:16	Webbmaster	http://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Sansa-e260-Video-Player/dp/B000EWN5JM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1202913817&sr=1-4
15:55:01	LambdaCalculus37	Okay, but as a fair warning: You may end up getting an e260 v2, which is incompatible with Rockbox.
15:55:08	Webbmaster	oh
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15:55:46	Webbmaster	LambdaCalculus37: are sanddisk doing something evil, or is it just cos its different and will need more work?
15:56:21	LambdaCalculus37	It's because SanDisk changed the chipset in recent Sansa e200 and c200 models. Because of that, we need to start a new port.
15:56:30	gevaerts	Webbmaster: it's totally different internally
15:56:43	Webbmaster	ah
15:57:08	Webbmaster	but v2 should be supported eventually, theres not hardware lock?
15:58:01	LambdaCalculus37	Webbmaster: We're not sure when the v2 port will be completed. It takes people who own the device and are skilled in programming to get the port started.
15:58:11	Webbmaster	okay
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15:58:46	LambdaCalculus37	May I suggest another player if you're looking for a Rockboxable device?
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16:00:39	LambdaCalculus37	Webbmaster: Go onto eBay and look for the Toshiba Gigabeat F. They're cheap, plentiful, and are wonderful targets for Rockbox.
16:00:41	pondlife	SanDisk are doing something a bit evil, by using the same name for different devices...
16:01:34	LambdaCalculus37	Plus, everyone here seems to love them so. :)
16:01:47	Webbmaster	okay
16:02:04	Webbmaster	so anything in the X or F series should work?
16:03:51	LambdaCalculus37	Both work, but you'll have a much easier time getting an F series.
16:04:09	LambdaCalculus37	We're close to getting the S series into the lineup, but the port still needs more work.
16:04:52	markun	The S is probably a lot easier to get
16:05:01	LambdaCalculus37	markun: Ahoy there! :)
16:05:09	markun	hi :)
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16:06:08	Webbmaster	http://search.ebay.co.uk/gigabeat-f_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQcatrefZC6QQdfspZ32QQfromZR10QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ32QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQga10244Z10425QQlredZgigabeatQ20fQQsabfmtsZ1QQsacatZQ2d1QQsaobfmtsZinsif :S
16:06:10	LambdaCalculus37	markun: The S series are starting to show up on eBay more often. I may get one soon!
16:06:31	pondlife	LambdaCalculus37: You can never have enough Rockbox targets ;)
16:06:41	pondlife	How else to get a decent Tower?
16:06:54	LambdaCalculus37	pondlife: Indeed. :)
16:06:59	LambdaCalculus37	Webbmaster: Found one: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PERFECT-CONDITION-20GB-TOSHIBA-GIGABEAT-MP3-PLAYER_W0QQitemZ290204970569QQihZ019QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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16:08:18	LambdaCalculus37	pondlife: I already own four targets and two potential targets. I'm going to end up making it Lucky Seven. :)
16:08:28	Davo_Dinkum	Was the Gigabeat F ever sold in Australia?
16:09:01	pondlife	I'm only on 3, one of which is dead... Could have been 4 if I hadn't sold my JBR in a fit of stupidity.
16:09:16	LambdaCalculus37	Davo_Dinkum: Dunno. I know Aussies got the X series.
16:09:27	Davo_Dinkum	k
16:09:38	LambdaCalculus37	And the X models are compatible.
16:09:44	Davo_Dinkum	:/
16:09:53	Davo_Dinkum	Gigabeat F doesnt show up on ebay au
16:10:01	LambdaCalculus37	Try Gigabeat X
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16:10:52	Davo_Dinkum	but you just said X doesnt work
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16:11:25	Horscht	X works
16:11:25	LambdaCalculus37	Davo_Dinkum: No, I said the X models do work.
16:11:32	LambdaCalculus37	That's what compatible means.
16:11:35	Davo_Dinkum	oh woops. my bad
16:11:45	Davo_Dinkum	i should read things properly :/
16:12:43	Davo_Dinkum	Seems so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabeat#Gigabeat_X
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16:14:41	Davo_Dinkum	good choice of suppliers: http://staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=Gigabeat+X
16:14:47	LambdaCalculus37	Webbmaster: Have we convinced you yet? :)
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16:15:20	Webbmaster	erm
16:15:28	Webbmaster	i don't really want one iwth a hard disk in
16:15:44	Webbmaster	its annoying, i really like the look of the SanDisk Sansa e260 :S
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16:16:19	Davo_Dinkum	ew gigabeat has windows logo on it
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16:16:54	LambdaCalculus37	Webbmaster: You can take the hard drive out of a Gigabeat and put a CompactFlash card into it, instead.
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16:17:09	LambdaCalculus37	There's actually a few projects of the sort on our forums.
16:17:51	Webbmaster	plus the sandisk one is cheaper
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16:23:53	Horscht	but with sandisk, you have to make sure to get a V1
16:26:37	Webbmaster	i know :S
16:26:53	Webbmaster	i hate to say this, but rockbox isn't a necessity for me
16:26:58	Webbmaster	it would just be damn nice
16:27:17	pondlife	Blasphemy!
16:27:22	*	gevaerts has
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16:45:07	barrywardell	gevaerts: just trying your latest patch on my e280. The iSerial is slightly different than the OF (hex letters are lower case with OF, upper case with Rockbox)
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16:46:03	barrywardell	gevaerts: also, do you know what the ANSI: 3 means? as in "scsi 11:0:0:0: Direct-Access Rockbox Internal Storage 0.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 3". With the OF, it's ANSI: 0
16:46:40	gevaerts	barrywardell: I assume that's the SCSI command revision level
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16:47:38	barrywardell	and "mode sense" is to do with that too? it's 45 00 00 00 with the OF, 00 00 00 00 with Rockbox
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16:48:05	gevaerts	barrywardell: ANSI: 3 means SCSI 2
16:48:49	gevaerts	barrywardell: I have to actually read through some scsi specs one of these days to get this stuff right
16:49:15	gevaerts	barrywardell: The mode sense response is still inherited from Zagor's work.
16:49:39	barrywardell	ok, thanks. I wonder what difference those settings make
16:53:01	gevaerts	barrywardell: feel free to experiment...
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16:55:41	Webbmaster	hmmm, is anyone working on getting the sansa e200 v2 to work?
16:56:14	LambdaCalculus37	Webbmaster: Here's the forum thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0
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16:59:02	Webbmaster	hmmm, so is that a yes?
16:59:30	Webbmaster	Bagder: ping
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17:05:16	markun	anyone else from Europe who is unable to get to websites in the USA? (or the other way around maybe)
17:09:56	Webbmaster	markun: like what?
17:09:58	Webbmaster	im in UK btw
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17:11:11	gevaerts	markun: looks like it
17:11:15	markun	Webbmaster: www.cnn.com for example. I'm in the netherlands.
17:11:30	Webbmaster	nah, that works
17:12:28	n1s	markun: works here too
17:12:44	gevaerts	markun: I have problems at work, but my home machine seems to be able to reach them
17:13:25	petur	works fine here
17:16:15	gevaerts	markun: it works fine now
17:16:43	LambdaCalculus37	Who here uses Dolphin as their file manager in Linux?
17:16:50	LambdaCalculus37	I want to know if someone can help test this patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8595
17:17:00	markun	gevaerts: yes, works fine again
17:18:05	gevaerts	markun: we probably share a provider somewhere
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17:34:20	Nico_P	LambdaCalculus37: I use dolphin but on KDE3 (so the files aren't quite named the same). and I don't have a target ATM
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17:35:22	LambdaCalculus37	Nico_P: I have Dolphin running on KDE 3.5.8, and it does create .dolphinview files.
17:35:47	Nico_P	here it's .d3lphinview
17:36:16	*	gevaerts would never use a file manager that leaves files everywhere it goes
17:36:41	LambdaCalculus37	Nico_P: I'll add .d3lphinview support in later on tonight when I get home.
17:36:48	Nico_P	cool :)
17:37:11	Nico_P	it might be specific to kubuntu's version of dolphin
17:37:39	GodEater	LambdaCalculus37: add .Trash-* too ?
17:37:39	LambdaCalculus37	Nico_P: Quite possible. What distro do you use, anyway? (just curious)
17:37:56	LambdaCalculus37	GodEater: That's for Nautilus, correct?
17:38:00	GodEater	aye
17:38:09	LambdaCalculus37	GodEater: No, but will do.
17:38:26	GodEater	does Konqueror do anything similar?
17:38:43	LambdaCalculus37	I don't use Konqueror, so I can't tell you for sure.
17:38:53	GodEater	nor do I generally
17:38:59	GodEater	but it's a fairly popular file browser ;)
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17:40:28	GodEater	it's like the recycle bin on windows
17:40:45	LambdaCalculus37	The crap no one wants taking up precious space on their DAPs.
17:41:40	gevaerts	rm doesn't do anycing like that...
17:42:03	GodEater	EFM doesn't create anything ;)
17:42:24	LambdaCalculus37	gevaerts: rm?
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17:42:45	GodEater	/bin/rm dumbass ;)
17:43:12	LambdaCalculus37	GodEater: :P
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18:27:12	Nico_P	LambdaCalculus37: I use kubuntu gutsy
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18:28:50	LambdaCalculus37	Nico_P: Strange. I use Kubuntu Feisty, so why do I get .dolphinview files, and you get .d3lphinview files?
18:28:57	kugel	Nico_P: thanks for the hint with IDE btw
18:29:05	Nico_P	kugel: you like it?
18:29:08	LambdaCalculus37	Meh, in any case, I'll add .d3lphinview support later tonight.
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18:47:34	amiconn	markun: That patch looks just broken. PIO modes above PIO4 do not exist, and the checks are also wrong idetify word 64 is a bit field. Check the ata standard.
18:47:39	webguest66	gevaerts: to avoid further corruption of the partition table, it could be an idea to limit ata_write_sector to sectors > x
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18:48:39	gevaerts	webguest66: maybe, although I noticed last week that Windows doesn't want to mount the filesystem if it can't write to sector 0
18:48:39	amiconn	woops. That message lacks one period....
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18:49:48	amiconn	gevaerts: Just fake the write... although it might get in the way if you actually want to change sector 0
18:50:06	gevaerts	webguest66: I have to recheck. Anyway you can also make recovering hard by zeroing the FAT bootsector, and not allowing writes there makes formatting impossible
18:50:09	rasher	amiconn: Windows also checks if the write goes right iirc
18:50:14	gevaerts	amiconn: I did that then. It checks
18:50:25	amiconn	Store the faked sector 0 in ram
18:50:31	amiconn	...and return that
18:51:01	amiconn	The rockbox ata driver itself prevents writing sector 0
18:51:10	gevaerts	Anyway, both times I had this problem I was doing something no normal user would ever do
18:51:37	amiconn	It will panic if you do so
18:52:16	gevaerts	I might be remembering wrong. Maybe Windows actually writes to the FAT bootsector, and not to sector 0
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18:53:29	amiconn	Hmm, which might be sector 0 if the disk is formatted in superfloppy mode
18:53:49	webguest66	gevarts: also a logf if read/write tries to read outside of the physical boundary
18:54:22	gevaerts	webguest66: that's probably a sane thing to do
18:54:31	amiconn	It may be that the SD driver doesn't panic on sector 0 writes though
18:55:06	rasher	amiconn: Without a regular partition table? A few of my SD cards are like that. The sansa itself definitely isn't though
18:55:30	amiconn	Yeah, the sansa itself can't, as that would prevent it from booting afaiu
18:55:48	*	gevaerts noticed that this morning
18:55:53	amiconn	And btw, the SD driver doesn't protect sector 0.
18:56:02	amiconn	(ata-c200_e200.c)
18:56:14	amiconn	The "real" ata driver does though
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18:58:56	gevaerts	rasher (or anyone with a sansa e200): can you reproduce anything like jrbil reports on flyspray ?
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19:10:38	desowin	gevaerts: works with ogg and mp3 here...maybe jrbil has filesystem errors...
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19:13:31	JdGordon\|w	bluebrother: seen the dev ml?
19:13:43	gevaerts	desowin: that's possible, but I'm a bit doubtful. I would expect filesystem errors to either always trigger, or never, but not only if a specific non-fs related option is enabled. I'll ask him anyway.
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19:20:11	bluebrother	JdGordon\|w: not yet.
19:21:46	webguest66	gevaerts: btw, I have a sansa e200 (2 GB) and a 1 GB regular micro-sd card.. Do you want me to try the usb stack?
19:22:01	gevaerts	bertrik: if you ever get bored, you're welcome to help flesh out the UMS driver so we can actually at some point fully implement all mandatory bits of the specs we claim to support.
19:22:11	*	gevaerts is trying to volunteer some other people...
19:22:15	bertrik	ok
19:22:42	bertrik	what spec version should we support, do you think?
19:22:50	gevaerts	webguest66: are you comfortable with the prospect of maybe having to do some unbricking ?
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19:23:43	webguest66	gevaerts: sure I'm willing to take that risk :)
19:23:43	*	amiconn deems high speed support rather important as well
19:23:50	gevaerts	bertrik: I'd say for now go for the smallest spec that actually works
19:23:55	Domonoky	bluebrother: about your forumpost: i just fixed the bug in rbutil with the wrong download url for h10 (5gb) :-)
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19:24:41	*	gevaerts would like high speed as well, but doesn't currently have the needed arm assembly needed skills to find out what we do different from the OF
19:25:49	bertrik	I think we should first make it work, then make it fast
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19:26:47	gevaerts	webguest66: in that case, testing is always welcome. Just use it and report whatever goes wrong..
19:26:54	bertrik	SCSI reduced block command version (1) + scsi primary commands 2 looks like the smallest spec
19:27:17	bluebrother	Domonoky: was there another bug? I though the latest windows binary I built already included that.
19:27:37	gevaerts	bertrik: I think so too. I'm not too familiar with SCSI specs though.
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19:27:50	*	amiconn considers solving the highspeed problems part of the "make it work" task
19:28:35	*	gevaerts welcomes amiconn's help in finding out the missing information ;-)
19:28:45	shivramk	whois linuxstb linuxstb
19:28:55	Domonoky	bluebrother: h10 really got Hit, the bug befor was in the Bootloader installation.. :-) but both are now fixed..
19:29:07	gevaerts	Anyway I have to be off now. I'll be back later
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19:31:58	bluebrother	Domonoky: btw, have I already told you that you can CONFIG += silent in the project file to make the build output nicer?
19:32:17	bluebrother	I haven't committed that because of a small bug in a Qt resource file on windows :(
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19:32:57	bluebrother	in mkspecs/features/resources.prf
19:33:21	Domonoky	hmm. bad, this damn bug in qt..
19:33:58	bluebrother	well, it's only a tiny path separator that's wrong ...
19:34:30	bluebrother	hmm, I could add it to the project file anyway and comment it, adding a short explanation.
19:35:12	bluebrother	also, I planned replacing the md5sum implementation with the one included in Qt −− that is already used by the http class.
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19:37:51	Domonoky	if the md5sum in Qt works the same as ours, sure..
19:38:15	Domonoky	(md5sum is use to verify the patched hxxx bootloaders.. )
19:38:49	bluebrother	well, it's an md5sum, so it should. But I wanted to verify that in prior anyway ;-)
19:41:09	Domonoky	Qt4.3.3 also has such a nice path seperator bug: you have remove the UI_DIR command iin the .pro file, or it will generate broken Makefiles..
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19:42:26	bluebrother	dang. Maybe we should add this to the build instructions on the wiki?
19:43:00	Domonoky	jup, would be good.. :-)
19:44:20	petur	damn, my h300 with CF also gives ata -80. OF also doesn't like the CF :(
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19:46:41	PaulJam	any database experts around? i noticed that one of my songs has an autoscore of -44 in rockbox which isn't possible. i exported the runtine statistics and in the database_changelog.txt the values for that song seem to be correct (i calculated an autoscore of ~92 which seeems reasonable). what could be the reason for that?
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19:52:44	bluebrother	Domonoky: there seems to be something broken with voicefile creation. I too get only 5kiB files
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20:01:31	Domonoky	and no error ?
20:03:03	kugel	Nico_P: I have question concerning the smooth resize patch
20:03:10	Nico_P	yes?
20:03:25	kugel	Nico_P: Is this scaling down vertically and horizontally needed?
20:03:35	Nico_P	i'M NOT SURE
20:03:37	Nico_P	oops
20:04:07	bluebrother	Domonoky: no, building itself looks fine.
20:04:09	linuxstb	Does the patch keep the aspect ratio?
20:04:31	bluebrother	there is only one thing that's strange: the configuration doesn't show the used voice. I.e. the voice field is empty.
20:04:55	kugel	I don't think scaling without respecting the original ratio is needed, especially since scaling up in those directions doesn't seem to be supported (according to the comments)
20:04:58	bluebrother	maybe that's the issue? Seems I don't have any voices on my box installed.
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20:05:17	kugel	at least, I'm not interested in it
20:05:25	Nico_P	linuxstb: it can
20:05:39	Domonoky	bluebrother: that probably the problem...
20:06:20	linuxstb	Nico_P: Do we ever want it not to?
20:06:21	kugel	linuxstb: half of the code is (imo) "wasted" for scaling without respecting the ratio
20:06:25	Domonoky	bluebrother: there should be english sapi5 voice delivered with Xp.. so with english, there should at least one voice be aviable..
20:06:36	Nico_P	linuxstb: I doubt it
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20:07:06	linuxstb	kugel: That's what I noticed when I briefly looked at the patch - the code seemed to be optimised for speed, not size (duplicating code to deal with special cases)
20:07:32	kugel	yea, jott tends to optimize for speed only
20:07:59	kugel	better than no optimizing imo
20:08:07	bluebrother	Domonoky: I'm on w2k ...
20:08:23	bluebrother	well, if that's the problem then the configuration shouldn't be shown as "ok".
20:08:35	linuxstb	kugel: It depends. In plugins, size is less important. In the core, it's very important.
20:09:13	Domonoky	bluebrother: sure, the check for the config should be modified.. :-)
20:09:55	LambdaCalculus37	Going home... good night!
20:09:56	*	bluebrother just added some build hints to RockboxUtility :)
20:10:29	Domonoky	Ups.. TTSSapi::configOk() always returns true :-)
20:10:46	kugel	linuxstb: Sure. But I know that Nico_P wants it to be in the core, that's why I asked if the code is needed.
20:10:49	bluebrother	looks like this was intentional ;-)
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20:11:14	Domonoky	bluebrother: yes, it was ok, before i added the voice selection..
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20:11:33	bluebrother	let me guess ... you always used the default voice before?
20:12:38	Domonoky	jup, the sapi_voice uses the default if no voice is specified..
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20:20:21	kugel	there's something buggy with the apply_s_flag or bmp_wide_width patch :/
20:21:38	kugel	the 176x176 AA is resized well with a wps that wants 65x65 AA, but it's not displayed at all on a wps that wants 100x100, and then again it's fine on cabbie (which wants 120x120)
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20:26:14	GodEater	seems Llorean has been overtaken in at least one category of the forum stats. He's no longer our most prolific topic starter :)
20:26:51	GodEater	although I don't think he'll ever get touched in "number of posts" and "time online"
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20:37:52	kugel	anyone noticed my problem?
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20:44:26	kugel	It seems to be theme dependant. If I change the wps Cl tag, in the theme where the problem exists, from 100x100 to 120x120 or 65x65 it still doesn't work
20:47:25	kugel	Duh
20:47:41	kugel	it's too big for the buffer on that theme! But not on the other theme
20:49:22	kugel	Nico_P: Do you know why my cover.bmp is too big for the buffer in the one wps, but not in the other?
20:50:03	Nico_P	because that WPS has more pics?
20:50:52	kugel	both have about 35
20:50:56	Nico_P	the non resized bmp is stored in the wps image buffer, so the size you set in the WPS source doesn't matter
20:51:29	Nico_P	size (both in bytes or pixels, same thing) of the pics matters too, not juste the numbers
20:51:47	kugel	ok, that makes sense
20:52:23	Nico_P	all the bitmaps are loaded to the wps image buffer, which has a fixed size. what's left is then used to load the original AA bitmap
20:52:52	kugel	Is the non-resized bmp supposed to be in the buffer? I thought the newer versions of bmp resize load the resized bmp into the buffer
20:53:40	Nico_P	you're confusing the audio buffer (where the resized bmp goes and stays) and the wps image buffer (where the non resized bmp goes for a short time).
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20:54:21	kugel	Ah ok
20:54:42	kugel	Also, the issue appears only with apply_s_flag and bmp_wide_width patch applied. Manual setting the s flag doesn't make problems
20:55:44	kugel	how big is the image buffer?
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20:56:54	kugel	the wps bitmaps of cabbie (which is working) have 24KiB less big
20:57:01	kugel	s/big/size
20:58:32	Nico_P	#define IMG_BUFSIZE ((LCD_HEIGHTLCD_WIDTHLCD_DEPTH/8) + (2LCD_HEIGHTLCD_WIDTH/8))
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21:05:21	kugel	Nico_P: bits?
21:06:01	kugel	Nico_P: I think I know what's causing the problem
21:07:07	conando	slightly ot question (sorry) .. am i correct in assuming that i can use a microsdhc card on the sansa with rockbox but of course i can't directly write on it because for usb the original firmware is booted?
21:07:39	conando	or was there any progress with the usb stack recently that i'm not aware of? ;)
21:09:05	BigBambi	yes rockbox but not the OF supports SDHC, and I have no idea what you are and are not aware of
21:09:11	midgey\|w	you'll have to write to the card using a reader for now and there has been some usb progress that is disabled by default
21:09:24	kugel	:/ Appearently, those two patches are not causing the problem :/
21:09:44	Nico_P	kugel: that's in bytes (actually chars, but they are one byte)
21:09:51	conando	bambi/midgey thanks.. just wanted to ask if that's still the case
21:10:25	Nico_P	kugel: it's not a problem. it's just that your bitmap is too big for the buffer whith some WPS, unless you make the buffer bigger
21:10:50	conando	midgey do you know if there's a page somewhere (wiki) on usb progress? maybe i'm too dumb to find it :(
21:11:00	BigBambi	conando: Check the IRC logs
21:11:07	BigBambi	and there is a task on flyspray
21:11:23	kugel	Nico_P: The problem (let me call it problem please ;) ) wasn't there before the newer bmp resize versions
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21:11:48	conando	bambi: will do.. thanks
21:11:48	Nico_P	probably because previous versions didn't store the tmp bitmap in the same place
21:12:02	conando	and sorry for the stupid rtfm questions ;)
21:12:09	BigBambi	Not at all
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21:12:43	BigBambi	The IRC logs over the last few days have all the discussion on the USB progress
21:13:35	kugel	Anyway, shouldn't the size of the bmp occure in the error message?
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21:13:39	conando	ah... i was looking at a few weeks ago
21:14:18	BigBambi	conando; search for gevaerts
21:14:18	kugel	there's an other size written
21:14:26	BigBambi	He has been making the progress
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21:17:49	kugel	"read_bmp_fd: Bitmap too large for buffer: 57800 bytes.", the file is actually 112900bytes (according to my file broser
21:18:06	kugel	broser = browser)
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21:40:45	kugel	Nico_P: Indeed, bmp resize reduces the img buffer (i.e. by putting a bmp into it). Loading the 170x170 art without bmp resize works fine, except for the resizing
21:41:09	Nico_P	kugel: I'm not surprised
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21:41:38	Nico_P	about the error message you pasted, I guess 57800 bytes is the buffer size read_bmp_fd was given
21:41:40	kugel	Yea
21:42:16	kugel	Nico_P: the bmp is in 32bit, that's why it's bigger on my pc
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21:44:15	kugel	I converted it to 16bit, but it's still to big (doesn't surpise)
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21:50:48	rasher	gevaerts: playing music seems to be fine for me
21:50:58	rasher	He's not here..
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21:59:17	robin0800	my ipod 5g takes a long time to shut down now about 8 times as long any idea why?
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22:13:48	kugel	Nico_P: See, I was kinda right when I said the patch doesn't look good to me :D
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22:21:07	manaox2	I have the february 10th version of rockbox. After the last shutdown, my iPod does not turn on in any way, shape or form. hold switch is off. USB connector has no effect. iPod was fully charged. Advice?
22:21:25	manaox2	5.5g 80gb iPod
22:22:01	rasher	This sounds stupid, but try charging
22:22:13	rasher	It might not have shutdown properly, and then drained the battery
22:22:20	rasher	Or the battery indicator might have been lying
22:22:37	rasher	Or hold menu+select (I think) for a while
22:23:14	manaox2	I watched it shut down. Its been off for about an hour. I'll try... wow. it just made a noise
22:23:17	manaox2	its coming on
22:23:21	manaox2	very weird
22:23:42	manaox2	thanks... and... it still says it has a full battery
22:23:42	stripwax	kugel - because the old versions of bmp_resize resized while loading the bmp, rather than loading the whole bmp and then resizing?
22:24:32	kugel	stripwax: define old version
22:24:53	stripwax	manaox2 - it's a "known problem" and it might be a problem with the original firmware (or it might be a problem with rockbox not shutting down correctly, perhaps)
22:25:04	kugel	the version titled as "This is Metadata on Buffer(MoB) version." works
22:25:41	manaox2	how to recieve MoB version?
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22:26:02	kugel	manaox2: I talk about another issue
22:26:15	stripwax	kugel - ok, sorry
22:26:41	stripwax	I'm not up-to-date on the progress of smooth resize patches, will take a look
22:26:48	manaox2	ah thanks have a good day
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22:28:27	stripwax	kugel - you were referring to #5697?
22:28:39	kugel	Yes
22:29:29	kugel	So you were
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22:30:25	stripwax	yes, but wanted to check!
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22:36:21	rasher	gevaerts: playing music seems to be fine for me
22:36:40	rasher	Using plain SVN and USE_ROCKBOX_USB
22:36:43	gevaerts	rasher: here too. Let's see what he says about fs corruption
22:37:05	gevaerts	I've been thinking about several usb-related things
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22:37:49	gevaerts	I might try to see if we can get serial and mass storage working at the same time. That would allow for realtime logf output
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22:39:42	gevaerts	And on the high-speed issue : we know that the controller tries to send a 512 byte packet, we know that it marks the transfer as complete after a while, and doesn't report any error, and we know that incoming packets get three garbage bytes every 32 bytes, but the controller marks this as OK.
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22:40:39	gevaerts	I think that means we understand the controller itself pretty well, but there is an issue with the transceiver. The transceiver is explicitelly not part of the controller in the imx31 spec.
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22:42:33	gevaerts	That means that the transceiver might conceivably need separate initialization, which we currently know nothing about. Therefore, I think we should concentrate our search in OF disassemblies for accesses to parts of the adres space that we don't know the function for.
22:42:56	gevaerts	Does any of this make any kind of sense ?
22:43:05	rasher	Sounds reasonable to me
22:43:27	rasher	But then I don't really know anything about this stuff. It just sounds awfully logical
22:43:38	preglow	sure
22:43:49	preglow	sounds reasonable, but that means we need to disassemble :/
22:44:32	gevaerts	I guess that searching for unknown addresses in firmware disassemblies might be done semi-automatically (assuming someone assembles some map of all known addresses)
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22:44:49	pixelma	gevaerts: read your question about metronome earlier, in theory it works on the c200 but you can't control it completely due to its weird use of pligin button actions...
22:44:59	pixelma	*plugin
22:46:18	gevaerts	pixelma: that's what I noticed. One of my colleagues is looking for something to record his band rehearsals, and a metronome, so I recommended a second-hand iriver 1xx with rockbox. Then I tried the metronome and I couldn't get it to work
22:47:19	preglow	gevaerts: problem is, there are so many address areas we know nothing about
22:47:44	crzyboyster	rasher: I was poking around your site and found this > rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/2008-01.php">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/2008-01.php Interesting.... it says I ask too many questions and yell a lot...
22:47:58	preglow	i wonder how the sansa emulator is doing. we could possibly emulate a usb insert and see how retailos reacts to it
22:48:37	gevaerts	preglow: sure, but if we start out with something as simple as possible, like the ipod diskmode, it might be doable
22:48:48	rasher	crzyboyster: Can't argue with statistics
22:49:04	preglow	gevaerts: good point
22:49:07	crzyboyster	Haha wasn't arguing!
22:49:23	preglow	gevaerts: that can even be extracted from the bootloader as a separate application
22:49:40	preglow	albeit a 180kb one...
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22:50:35	stripwax	any usb diagnostics in the diag mode?
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22:50:41	preglow	don't think so
22:51:01	stripwax	pity
22:51:03	gevaerts	preglow: someone (can't remember who) sent me a link to it, so I have a copy here. I'm trying to look into it.
22:51:10	Bagder	rasher: your irc states page "all.php" seem to claim last seen "534 days ago" on far too many persons...
22:51:19	preglow	is the tranceiver part of the portalplayer chip?
22:51:42	rasher	Bagder: I'm blaming pisg.. I really have no idea how it calculates those values
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22:52:16	Bagder	fair enough, not terribly important...
22:52:21	gevaerts	preglow: I think so. at least on the sansas it looks as if all other chips have been identified
22:54:53	gevaerts	The ipod diskmode dump I have contains 223 unique 32-bit constants. I'll try to find out what ipod it was.
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22:55:22	gevaerts	Of course it might be i2c...
22:56:56	preglow	gevaerts: as taken from the constant pools?
22:57:04	preglow	literal pools
22:57:44	gevaerts	preglow: grepped for 8-digit hex numbers (oops, made a mistake, and only grepped for decimals)
22:57:49	pixelma	gevaerts: metronome should be much better to control on the H100 - at least the button mapping changes were done by a dev who owns one...
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22:59:16	gevaerts	pixelma: thanks for the info. Anyway whatever is wrong with it on c200 should be trivial to fix (but I'm not too interested in doing that right now...)
22:59:31	pixelma	it's not trivial
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23:00:05	gevaerts	pixelma: depends on how clean, complete and generic you want the fix to be...
23:00:31	JdGordon\|w	gevaerts: PLA was a mistake and in metronome especially.. fixing it is a pain and boring and reverting it is the better option, but noone has been bothered to do that
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23:01:05	pixelma	code wise maybe, but it has weird dependencies and ugly "exception" fixes don't make it better
23:01:14	gevaerts	preglow: I recounted. There are 759 of them, and if we only want page-level uniqueness there are 156
23:01:44	preglow	gevaerts: keep in mind that arm has very flexible offsets
23:02:06	preglow	gevaerts: you'll often see some code load an address to a reg, then form other addresses by using offsets
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23:03:23	gevaerts	preglow: I noticed that, but I think I read somewhere that this offset has to be 16k or 64k or less, so if the hardware isn't mapped too close to each other it might work.
23:04:04	gevaerts	preglow: anyway I'd like to do a simple search like this first. If it works out, it can save lots of time
23:04:32	pixelma	JdGordon\|w: unfortunately it's not simple reverting because the ui was also changed since your introduction of PLA there (and make controls and ui more complicated I think)
23:05:29	preglow	gevaerts: afaik, the offset can be +/- 32 megabytes
23:05:47	preglow	no, wait
23:05:49	preglow	that's for bra
23:05:53	preglow	ehh, b
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23:06:16	gevaerts	preglow: let's try anyway. We'll see how it works out...
23:06:22	preglow	gevaerts: +/- 4 kb, it looks like
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23:07:24	gevaerts	preglow: that would be perfect
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23:08:10	Davo_Dinkum	Does any rockbox dap play video?
23:08:42	Domonoky_	nearly all rockbox daps can play video...
23:08:56	Davo_Dinkum	Really? cool
23:09:25	Domonoky_	color screen, and a not too big screen is helpfull for video on rockbox..
23:09:33	*	BigBambi points at the PluginMpegplayer wiki page
23:10:05	Domonoky_	but we have video even on the old b/w archos models.. :-)
23:10:07	gevaerts	On the other hand, video might play nicely on a sansa c200, but it's a bit small to be useful...
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23:10:38	BigBambi	Domonoky_: And on the H1x0 for example
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23:11:25	Davo_Dinkum	only mpg1 and 2? What about other formats like theora and mkv?
23:11:31	BigBambi	No
23:11:38	BigBambi	There is no point really
23:11:41	preglow	gevaerts: would you expect the transceiver to be complex to program?
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23:12:14	BigBambi	Davo_Dinkum: You have to re-encode to screen size anyway, so why not a relatively simple and fast format?
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23:12:24	gevaerts	preglow: I don't really know what to expect there
23:12:24	pixelma	gevaerts: it's not all that bad (but I also was already surprised about video being watchable on the Ondio ;) )
23:12:41	Davo_Dinkum	mkv/are complicated?
23:12:51	Davo_Dinkum	*mkv/ogg are complicated?
23:13:01	saratoga	i'd expect it to be fairly simple, since i don't think it does much processing
23:13:06	saratoga	but who knows
23:13:08	pixelma	BigBambi: but on the H100 it is als mpegplayer, guess Domonoky meant good old rvf :)
23:13:14	pixelma	*also
23:13:29	saratoga	Davo_Dinkum: they're pointless to support at the moment
23:13:32	BigBambi	pixelma: Yeah, but he implied that mpegplayer was just colour targets
23:14:33	Davo_Dinkum	i dont see why it's pointless to support. i have ogg videos that i'd like to play on a rockbox
23:14:45	BigBambi	I meant generally that since MPEG works nicely, there is no point complicating matters with other formats even if they are easy to decode
23:14:59	BigBambi	Davo_Dinkum: We await the patch with interest then
23:15:09	Davo_Dinkum	>_>
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23:15:23	linuxstb	Davo_Dinkum: mpegplayer took over a year to get to the state it is now - that's with a single video codec...
23:15:27	BigBambi	But seeing as you have to re-encode to screen size, it is a lot of work for no gain
23:15:47	rasher	Davo_Dinkum: Just transcode them when you're resizing them anyway...
23:16:24	BigBambi	When we have something that works nicely, I don't think anyone wants to spend the very very large amount of time to implement another format, when it is really not worth it
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23:25:05	conando	wait.. mpegplayer won't play my mpeg2 hdtv rip as-is on my sansa.. what a scandal =8-)
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23:27:07	soap	I know! A complete rip off. You should get a refund!
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23:29:42	preglow	all we need for another format is some guy who knows video codecs, i think most of mpegplayer can be reused
23:29:42	conando	yeah :) at least for the 16gig microsdhc i just ordered for that one file
23:29:45	preglow	at least all the hard parts
23:30:11	conando	i know video codecs but i have no time on my hands :(
23:30:30	preglow	well, you would need that :)
23:31:21	preglow	i wonder what impact variable block size motion compensation would have on our small screens
23:31:28	conando	i was sort of enthusiastic about implementing another codec.. but after a longer conversation with llorean (and others) they convinced me that it would be totally useless ;)
23:31:43	preglow	i don't think it would be useless
23:31:50	preglow	the more the merrier
23:32:00	Llorean	I never said it was useless. I said that it's not _needed_
23:32:02	Bagder	conando: oh c'mon, don't let them scare you away ;-)
23:32:14	Llorean	There's a difference between "without value" and "not needed"
23:32:25	Llorean	There's certainly value in supporting whatever we can, as long as it's not harmful.
23:32:26	conando	well some people think mpeg2 with a constant (high) quantizer look great enough...
23:32:59	markun	to me it looks quite ok on my Gigabeat
23:33:00	conando	llorean i wasn't being serious ;) sorry
23:33:01	preglow	the "you need to reencode anyway" argument is becoming less and less important with hardware like gigabeat s
23:33:23	Llorean	preglow: That's very true.
23:33:32	markun	preglow: which could use some video rescaling because of the TV-out
23:33:38	Llorean	If I recall the codec being discussed was MJPEG
23:33:44	Llorean	Very, very high filesizes.
23:34:07	preglow	ahh, yeah
23:34:16	preglow	and not very much used, at least in some circles
23:34:17	conando	yeah that was just me.. i was thinking about it as a sort of starting point to experiment a little
23:34:21	preglow	i'd rather see mpeg4, h264, etc
23:34:27	conando	wmv would be of more use i guess
23:34:31	preglow	ah, that too
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23:35:04	gevaerts	I put some data on http://pastebin.ca/902998 . The addresses are all 32-bit numbers that are on a page boundary and are moved to a register (so they can be used with an offset further on). I filled in what I know about them. Does anyone who knows portalplayer and/or ipod feel motivated to have a look ?
23:35:05	Llorean	I'd say h.264 for our "very high power" targets.
23:35:08	Nico_P	kugel: all that's needed about the bmp resize "problem" is an increase of the WPS image buffer. I'm not sure it calls for a new implementation
23:35:11	Llorean	And MPEG4 for the "everyone knows how to use it" factor
23:35:20	conando	h264.. hm would the gigabeat s be powerfull enough? i guess this would really be limited to the gigabeat then
23:35:20	Nico_P	although I'd like to see resize on load
23:35:21	Llorean	Or rather "nobody knows how to use it, but everyone thinks it's just .avi" factor
23:35:39	conando	lol, exactly :)
23:35:41	Llorean	Well, MPEG4-ASP
23:36:11	Llorean	conando: The Gigabeat S is supposed to have some hardware assistance for H.264 if I understand correctly
23:36:17	conando	aka "pimped" h.263
23:36:28	*	gevaerts wants animated gif support for his movies
23:36:58	Bagder	256 colors should be enough for everyone!
23:37:00	conando	llorean nice, but is it documented anywhere or would it require someone with deeper hardware knowledge?
23:37:13	kugel	Nico_P: This is the way to go? Simply increasing the buffer? I'm not sure...
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23:37:39	Llorean	conando: I think it's documented.
23:38:19	gevaerts	This is interesting : http://www.innovative-semi.com/newsroom/releases/PortalPlayerInnovativePresselease01-11-04.pdf
23:38:22	bluebrother	how about DVD support? ;-)
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23:39:27	preglow	gevaerts: 0x40000000 is iram
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23:40:09	Llorean	bluebrother: May not be an unreasonable request if we end up having targets more powerful than the Gigabeat S ever. :-P
23:40:23	Nico_P	kugel: I don't know. as I said, resize on load would be good but a slight increase of the WPS buffer might be necessary
23:40:35	Nico_P	anyway, I'm off to bed
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23:42:25	gevaerts	Innovative makes UTMI-compliant PHY cores for USB, so the PHY should be documented by http://www.intel.com/technology/usb/download/2_0_Xcvr_Macrocell_1_05.pdf
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